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[Assistant] Understand and they're like, yeah, I got it, sir. They come in Monday and what do they say? I can't work with him I can't work with him and he goes, okay, you guys can't work together. Guess what? You're fired and he fired both of them which was a


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[Assistant] Which was a great move actually. I think it was a good move. You know, if you've got two people that can't figure out


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[Assistant] That's a real problem, especially if you can't substantiate it. I mean, if you can't go in there and say, listen, here's the reasons why I can't work with this guy. It's this, this, and this, because obviously they had the opportunity to do that. And there are situations where you say, look, I can't work with this guy. He's immoral or he's unethical or he treats everyone horribly. And I can't sit there and watch this happen. Like there's,


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[Assistant] I get it, and I don't hear any real reasons, so you two go figure it out, and you come back and say no, it's not happening.


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[Assistant] Seems to me like a good move is okay, neither one of these guys I trust to go overseas and form relationships with other military units and uh, foreign military units and do their job properly and he fired them both. You, somehow,


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[Assistant] They said, okay, you know what, collateral damage, we're gonna take Zarelli and we're gonna move him into task unit bruiser. That's what they did.


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[Assistant] And I was stoked, because I wanted more people, always. You know, because you get another 50 cal gunner, you get another officer, you get another shooter, you get, it's another person, it's awesome. And I was stoked to have you coming on board. And there was,


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[Assistant] There was like a little bit of dr- I mean there was- there was drama because, you know, inside- inside bruiser it was like no drama. Like we don't- we don't play drama. Like we- we solve problems, we keep our mouths shut, we do what we're supposed to do, we- if we got problems we figure them out, we straighten them out, and we move on.


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[Assistant] We could see all this drama unfolding in that other task unit, which is, is not cool. I mean, you don't like seeing that at a SEAL team. You want the whole SEAL team to be kick ass. And so you see a task unit that's in turmoil. It's like not fun to watch. Especially because I knew, I basically knew every player in there. I knew every one of those guys. And you watch them th-


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[Assistant] You're falling apart, and eagles are flaring up, and it's just a nightmare, man. It was a nightmare. Anyways, you get basically out of that whole catastrophe, out comes Mike Cirelli into tasking you to bruiser.


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[Assistant] So you check in, and I remember, I, I, I was thinking to myself, okay, I didn't know you.


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[Assistant] Uh, I've looked at your record. I knew you were in the Marine Corps. I like, I knew that you were gonna be squared away. That was my, that was my, as much as you can predict, you know, I was thinking, okay, this guy was in the Marine Corps. This guy's gonna be awesome. You seem like you were serious and you want to do a good job.


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[Assistant] And so I was, my assumption was you're going to kick ass. However, I had to be a little bit, you know, I had to do a little precautionary precaution. It takes some precautionary measures to make sure that you understood where I was coming from. You know, I wanted to make sure you knew where I was coming from.


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[Assistant] While I having a little fun with me. Just a little, just a smidge. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So that's why, that's why we're so introducing you into the task, bringing you in. I wanted to let you know like, hey, this is where I'm at. You know, we don't have any job here. That's why. So, that's why we did the whole, uh, the whole briefing. So,


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[Assistant] In the mechanical, so in the mechanical room, so at Seal Team 3 at the time, there was no ceilings. In any, they were doing this big remodel, and there was no ceilings in any of the platoon spaces or task unit spaces, there was all just, there was a wall with no ceilings, so you could hear everything that was being said.


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[Assistant] And so whenever I had something legitimate, like an issue to bring up with someone,


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[Assistant] And it was almost, it was, in fact it wasn't even almost always, it was always my, my jails. It was either Leif or Seth.


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[Assistant] It was performed. Yeah, the other backstory here is, is that the platoon that you're talking about that performed well inside that task unit, the platoon chief and that because he was, he was one of my good friends from way back and because there's all this stray voltage going around about whose fault this was and


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[Assistant] So he didn't even do anything. Yea, I know, I know I had to give one to Leif one time, like my, my, uh, I, Leif, Leif, Leif did something, and the EXO


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[Assistant] We gotta set the, you know, set the expectations out there in the front, you know. That we're not playing around. And then we go on deployment. We go to Ramadi.


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[Assistant] We, well, I guess before we did that, we did CertX and all that, kind of the last little bit of training, and then we went on deployment to Ramadi.


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[Assistant] Are you sure? Mark might have been before, I was after. Okay, yeaah, I think Mark was before. Yeaah, yeaah, cause, oh that's right, cause everything fell apart in Serdex for you guys. But your Serdex was before ours.


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[Assistant] So, then, hey, we're getting ready to go to Ramadi, and, what, what'd you, you, you came, you became, what did you become? Like,


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[Assistant] Basically, you know what that is? Really? It's like a test. Like, hey, I'm gonna write you up. Let's see what your attitude is. You know what his attitude was like? Roger.


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[Assistant] No drama, don't worry about it. Then it's like, okay, you're gonna work for this other guy that's probably lower in rank than you that has been in the military for a year and you're gonna work for him. How do you, how do you take that? And you know, Mike's attitude is like, Roger that, I'm here to work.


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[Assistant] Those things, like, when you, when those things happen, because people ask me that kind of question all the time, well, you know someone else got promoted or someone else got this, it's like, what do you do? Oh, you work hard. That's, and that's exactly what you did. And, you know, it took a matter of days before I was thinking, okay, he's, I'll give him a little bit more, I'll give him a little bit more, I'll give him a little bit more. And then,


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[Assistant] Very shortly thereafter, it's like, okay, guess what? You are Ops now. Which, it's not like this huge, great job, but it's, it's, it's pretty significant once we're on the ground in Ramadi. There's a lot of responsibility there. I had to count on you for a lot of stuff. And because you were


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[Assistant] Freaking squared away and we're like, okay Roger that no attitude No, never did you like I gave you and then we got overseas. I remember I gave you the worst job Which was I sent you to the TG, right?


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[Assistant] So the TG, for those of you that don't know too much about the military, there's a, there's a headquarters above the task unit, which is called, it's the SEAL team, but when you're on deployment, it's called a task group. And they have...


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[Assistant] All kinds of administrative stuff that they gotta handle and we, we, we had a great team with great support from our head shed, but they needed people to work. They need people to drive paperwork is basically what they needed. And so they needed an officer to go over there for 30 days for 30 days and get


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[Assistant] You know, work, do all this paperwork, and...


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you're in those situations where you feel like you're, you deserve better.


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[Assistant] Just be quiet, suck it up, do a good job, and if you're, the other part that people get paranoid about is they think, well they won't notice me.


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[Assistant] They think, I, I should tell Jocko how awesome I am. I should tell Jocko that I was in the Marine Corps. I should tell Jocko that I, I'm a sniper. I should tell, like, hey, I got a better idea. How about you just be humble. And just work. And if you do that, then Jocko says, oh, hey.


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[Assistant] Man, this guy's squared away. I wonder why he's so squared away. Let me look at his record. Oh, he's in the Marine Corps. Oh, let me look at his record. Oh, he's, he's a sniper. Oh, he was in recon. Oh, okay, I've got a pipe hitter here. Cool. I can use him. And he's humble on top of all that. As opposed to, hey, look at me. Because believe me, there's plenty of people that come in and they want to bow up and act like they're the baddest guy on the planet. It's like,


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[Assistant] That's a real problem. That's a real problem. Cause they have a big ego.


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[Assistant] That's how you act. You take care of the team before you take care of yourself. You stay humble. You don't think that you deserve more than you're gonna get. When you get handed a shit sandwich,


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[Assistant] Take a bite, chew it, and put a smile on your face and ask for another one. And make that one squared away too. That's how, that's how you're gonna...


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[Assistant] Get where you wanna go, which for you eventually meant going to join Delta Platoon.


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[Assistant] Yea, they had a ton of experience at that point. I mean it was an insane amount of experience. The, the, the first


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[Assistant] At one point, they did 24 straight patrols into the Malab and got contacted every single time. And then one, they didn't get contacted. They were like way up in the northeast section. They didn't get contacted. And then the next time they went out, which was a day later, they were right back in it again. So the amount of experience that they had was just


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[Assistant] Which was ridiculous. It was ridiculous. I remember so I was briefing the CG SOTIF. And I made that quote right there. And I was like, these guys have been in contact on their last 23, uhm, their last 23 operations. And the, the TOC watch officer comes walking in and she's like, sir,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was uh, that was that was pretty awesome We used to when those big big wigs would come to visit us in Ramadi we would we would we would attempt to


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[Assistant] Make it all nice, but what that looked like was so obviously


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[Assistant] Was outside the norm. Outside the norm. Daytime operations, staying out in the city.


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[Assistant] Supporting conventional forces which freaks some people out like why would you be supporting them? They should be supporting you It's a well now they've got whatever a thousand soldiers and they're taking down a giant part of the city and we can help protect them So we are a supporting element, but it's gonna be it's gonna have big impact so it was a


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[Assistant] It was awesome. So when you got, when you got out to Corregidor, with the first of the 506,


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[Assistant] How awesome is first of the five, or how awesome is first of the five or sixth?


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[Assistant] Like you said, the relationship between, between everyone, between us, between everyone at the 1-1-A-D, it was just freakin' awesome. And...


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[Assistant] I don't know if we'll ever be able to capture that and describe it. Uhm, but man, it was, it was awesome.


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[Assistant] And what they did for us and we did whatever we could for them and what they did for us man was just the sacrifices that they made and the effort that they put forth to support what we were doing. It was, it was, it was awesome. It was just awesome. Talk about uhm,


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[Assistant] Just give like, hey, this is what we were doing. So people can hear from your perspective, like,


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[Assistant] Again, you know, you don't need to get into tactics that, but just, hey, just a general, this is what we're doing.


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[Assistant] When you got over to Corregidor, I mean obviously you're working for Stoner when you first show up there.


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[Assistant] But it was almost time for everyone to start packing up and heading home. And that didn't mean that


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[Assistant] The first of five or six was going home because they weren't, didn't mean the 118 was going home because they weren't, didn't mean that they were going to stop doing operations because they weren't, it didn't mean that the enemy wasn't going to stop trying to kill Americans.


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[Assistant] And so, that meant that we couldn't stop doing what we had to do until...


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[Assistant] The next SEAL team came in to relieve us and take our place, so there was no


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[Assistant] There was no stopping until it was time to go home, uhm, close as we were. And I remember consciously, I said to myself, I'm not gonna...


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[Assistant] Say, hey, this day we'll do our last mission. Cause I think that's like, uh, call me superstitious, but that to me is like a bad luck thing.


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[Assistant] We'll see how this one goes and if another mission comes up. And so I never said to myself, okay, this day or this something we're going to stop. And I just knew that at some point we'd have enough of the, of the new group over the new team would be here and we could say, I could say, okay, you know what? We're good now and we're going home.


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[Assistant] And I didn't want to make that a con- I didn't want to make that like a set date, you know? Or a set time or a set number of missions. I just said, when- when we're ready to be relieved, we'll stop.


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[Assistant] And so I even tricked myself and just said, okay, we're gonna keep going until we've got enough strength from the other team and then we'll just stop that when that day comes.


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[Assistant] Significant impact there had been on the enemy. The enemy was still bringing it and they were starting to get a little bit more desperate. And...


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[Assistant] Cause we had really shut down a lot of their movements and they were starting to really try and strike back significantly when they could.


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[Assistant] You guys are doing another, another operation in support of the first of 506.


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[Assistant] There was some confusion about where to go and I did my best to clear that up from what I remember, which I don't remember very well.


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[Assistant] Just FYI, the only thing you told me, which I asked you, I was trying to ask you questions about, hey man are you doing okay? How's the other seal that's wounded? And you just were like, that's all you were telling me, it was about Mikey. That's all you were telling me.


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[Assistant] No, man, it's cuz you you wanted to make sure I knew what was going on You wanted to make sure that what happened you won't make sure that I knew you didn't care about anything else that you were just like He this is what he did. This is what he did. I'm telling you. This is what he did I'm like, I know man. I got it. I'm like, are you okay? He's like you're like don't care


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[Assistant] This is what he did. He saved me. He saved this guy. He saved all three of us up there. That was the only thing you cared about.


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[Assistant] I can't even imagine, for you, what that process was like. It was shame.


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[Assistant] Uh, when you said it's a reminder, not in a good way, I would actually dispute that with you. And I promise you that it's, it's a


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[Assistant] They love hearing from you and talking to you and anyone. Same with Mark, same with Ryan, same with- same with-


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[Assistant] All of our friends that have fallen, if you can go, go and tell a story that they haven't heard before, or tell a story that they've heard a hundred times before. It's, it's, it's worth it. It's worth it.


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[Assistant] At what point did you realize that you were gonna heal quick enough to go back into another platoon?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So you knew. How long did it take you to heal up?


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[Assistant] Back to Iraq. Do you remember anything in workup? Any spectacular? You're giving me that look. Most people that I put through workup give me that look.


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[Assistant] I mean coming back that was so ideal for me to go back and run training. I mean there's no better job I could and that's, you know, I was really lucky that I had good


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[Assistant] I was just thinking, hey, everyone's gonna be going back and doing the same thing for another. The average counterinsurgency lasts seven years. This started six months ago. We got like many years worth of fighting and these guys need to be ready for that specific thing that I know how to do.


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[Assistant] And so I need to go run that training and that's what I did. And I was definitely, it's funny cause like when you're talking about like, like I, there was a lot of buddy carrying going on when I was running training.


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[Assistant] And the reason is because I, I, I got the debrief, you know, like, it's, I knew. It's like, this is gonna be, if you get in this situation, it's not, it's not what you think it is. It's gonna be hell.


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[Assistant] And how do you prepare for it? You prepare for it. You do as close, you make this as close to combat as you can possibly make it. Then that was my goal. And it was freaking hard training. And I, I, you know, I had so many guys come back over the years after that when I was running training that were like, Hey, you know, I just got back from Afghanistan.


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[Assistant] Thank you. And the firefights were literally easier than going through a block of land warfare. They would be so stoked and it was awesome. That's like the best compliments I've ever gotten in my life was having those guys come back and also I was just talking to, as a matter of fact I was talking to the guy that


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[Assistant] He told me that you were good to go the other day and he's, he's like, oh, we would have had so many blue on blues if we didn't go through that workup. We were so much better. We were so prepared. And they had a, they had a freaking hardcore deployment to Afghanistan and they kicked ass. And he's like, yeah, we were totally good to go because that training set us up.


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[Assistant] So that was, uh, that was a real honor for me to be able to get to do that. But yeaah, I was a little bit, I was also a little bit still, like I remember,


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[Assistant] I remember, and I've talked about this before on the podcast, but like I'd be in Mount, like watching urban training going on, and I'd see like a new guy or something, like standing in the middle of the street, and I would literally feel like a sickness in my stomach, like a pit. Like, just like when I was in Ramadi, if you'd see someone in the street, you'd be like, dude, get out of the street. I would have that feeling, and so when I'd go over and talk to them, it would generally be like,


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[Assistant] Pretty hostile, like bro, what the hell are you doing? You're in the middle of the street, get out of here, you're gonna get freaking killed. And so, yeaah, uhm, it was good, and it was good that we put you guys through that, cause you guys went right back into the fire. Right back into the fire. On that next deployment.


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[Assistant] The shakes inside solder city came out and said, Hey look, we're good. Like we're here to make friends now. We're done with this. And what was really awesome was it, solder city had been a complete nightmare for five straight years. I mean, solder city was completely uncontrollable. And then in a six week period, give or take,


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[Assistant] That those operations took place. It was like done. It was like they, the, the shakes came out and said, yep, we'll, we'll keep this under control. We want to make peace. And, and that's what happened. That was, that was a...


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[Assistant] That was an unbelievable, uh, set of circumstances.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know you guys did an outstanding job there, and again, it wasn't, obviously it wasn't just you guys, the 10th Mountain did a freaking unbelievable job. The, some of the images that were coming back at that time of those guys putting that T-barrier up right in the middle or right at the, what side of Sadr City was it, the eastern side of Sadr City?


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[Assistant] Them, you could see those guys out there putting that barrier, putting those barriers up. The conventional army guys was freaking awesome, man. What, what, what awesome, awesome guys. Then you come back from that deployment.


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[Assistant] You think maybe you had enough yet? Not really.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it only took you another what? Seven years. Seven years to figure that out. So you get out to the east coast and now you're doing just more deployments.


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[Assistant] It goes back to what I was saying earlier about like if you know the way, then the way appears everywhere, but when you don't know it, you're seeing like little, like even I remember when I was young, man, young, and I'd do something that was like partially right, but then I'd do something that wasn't, and I'd think to myself, if I would've known,


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[Assistant] If I would have gotten some reinforcement, if I would have figured it out better, you know? Like, figured it out better, and you just don't. And that's one of the hardest things about, one of the hardest things about, it's not just the Seagull teams, it's the military. When you complete a job, you don't get to do it anymore.


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[Assistant] Uh, you, you, you get done with your assistant platoon commander and you're like, okay, I got this figured out. I'm ready to do it again. They're like, no, now you're going to be a platoon commander and then you get done with your platoon commander. You go, okay, I got this figured out. I'm ready to do it again. They go, no, you're going to be a task force commander. Then you, as soon as you get, you figure something out, you're done with that job and you can't go back and do very seldom. Do you get to go back and do it again?


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[Assistant] So, we all sit around and look back and, and there's another weird thing about this whole deal, this whole deal, is that it's so hard to


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[Assistant] When someone's just gotta have an open mind like I would say When I was running trade at I would say


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[Assistant] Like 30 or 40% of the people would be like listening and absorbing and which is pretty good. It's actually pretty good. But there was like 30% of the people.


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[Assistant] You know, I would try and explain something to them, and it just wouldn't. They just wouldn't.


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[Assistant] Like you're putting the way in front of them, but they don't recognize it. They can't see it. And so, it's easy now that you know the way, when you look back at your own experiences, you go, the way appears everywhere, but you didn't see it back then. I didn't see it back then. I'm just looking at it going, why didn't I figure that out? It's one of those things, and I think that's one of the things that, that,


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[Assistant] Makes what I'm doing now, what you're doing, what we're doing now.


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[Assistant] As a team, is to be able to try and pass these lessons on to leaders everywhere and, you know, leaders in the military, leaders in police, leaders in fire, leaders in business, everyone, to be able to say, look, hey,


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[Assistant] This is it, over here. I know this is hard to see, but look at this! And, and it's awesome to be doing what we're doing now and say, oh, and have people, again, a certain percentage of people that go,


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[Assistant] I got it, I can take that. And what's interesting about our business now is, when people are raising their hand and they're asking for it, that means their mind is open to, they're open to it. They want it.


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[Assistant] Whereas with, and this does happen occasionally when we work with companies that we're getting imposed on. You know, like the board of directors saying, hey go fix this comp, this company screwed up, you gotta go fix them. Those people don't have open minds. So they're, they're looking, when you're talking to them, they're looking for reasons that what you're saying is wrong. That's their goal.


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[Assistant] It's different for us. Okay, it's different for you. It's different for you. Leadership is different in your specific company. Leadership is different than it is everywhere else. No, that's actually not true.


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[Assistant] Not true at all. So it's an unfortunate, you know, it's like I've been thinking about this too, cause


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[Assistant] You know, I got a, I got a, I got a son. You know, I got three daughters and a son. And, and, and the fact of the matter is you don't see yourself as much in your daughters as you do in your son, right? Your son is a, he's, he's a, he's a boy, a small man.


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[Assistant] And man, what I wouldn't give to be able to just like, put the knowledge in there, you know? Cause you see him doing stuff and you go, and you could, you know, this is my own flesh and blood by the way, that I say, hey,


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[Assistant] That's not a good way to handle that. Here's a good way to handle it. And he looks at me like I'm an idiot. Right? Like, how would you ever know what it's like to deal with a school teacher? You know? Or to deal with a coach. How would you know what that's like to deal with another person?


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[Assistant] You know what, you're right. I'm sure you have this, you're 15 now. So I'm sure you got it all figured out.


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[Assistant] Knowing what not to do is as valuable as knowing what to do. You know what else I tell when fathers ask me to talk to their sons? I tell the sons, I say listen, your dad actually cares about you.


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[Assistant] More than you do. He, he wants an outcome for you, a good outcome for you, more than you do. I know that doesn't seem possible, but for him to come and ask me to like talk to you means that what he wants more than anything in the world is for you to be in a good place in the future.


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[Assistant] That's what he wants. He doesn't wanna screw you over. This isn't a plot to get you to fail in life. He actually wants you to win more than anything. So you may wanna listen to him. Check.


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[Assistant] So it's, at this point, you do, you do, so what are you at? You did nine deployments overseas total? Ten? Nine? Ten. Ten deployments overseas. And, and finally, the little voice in your head says, you know what, I need to, uh, look at something else.


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[Assistant] And then so did you go to school? So you got down there and was it to get your degree?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that, so you just kind of start talking about the next thing obviously we need to talk about is.


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[Assistant] You know, at some point while you were doing this, and here Leif and I were with Echelon Front, and we work with companies all the time, and every company we work with, guess what they need? They need people, they need good people, they need, they need leaders, that's what they need. And, you know, as you and I discussed this and talked about it, and I, I don't know if


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[Assistant] I don't know who made the connection mentally, uh, I think it was you who made the connection mentally, like, oh wait, you, you need people and we're making people. Let's figure that out. And that's sort of where we got into, uh, this idea of Echelon Front Overwatch.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's awesome because people, every single time I go talk to a company.


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[Assistant] They'll, they'll say, man, it seems like you just, it seems like you know. Did you do a bunch of research to figure out? Did you, have you been working with us and we didn't know about it? And I'd be like, no. Well, how do you know what problems we have? It's like, oh, cause you're a company.


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[Assistant] Cause you're a group of individuals, you're a group of human beings that are trying to make something happen. And guess what? There's dynamics there that happen with all different organizations that get together. And guess what? If you take these leaders, cause they're amazed that I can understand their business. It's like, no, I don't understand your business. I understand leadership.


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[Assistant] That's what, that's what Echelon Front, we understand leadership so we can go in and look at what's going on and say, oh, you've got a leadership problem here and here's how we fix it. And so to take that and say, you know what?


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[Assistant] Is, like you said, uh, Reese's Peanut Butter Cup, peanut butter, and chocolate.


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[Assistant] That's what it is. So it's been, I'm speaking of bringing on talent.


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[Assistant] Like, when this whole thing was going down, I was like, uh, how about we get a little Mike Cerelli at Echelon front? Cause guess what? That's what we did. Yeah. Bring the band back together. And, you know, that's why that's just been, it's been awesome. And if anyone that's come to the muster, um, you know, Mike's putting on a great, uh,


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[Assistant] Talk about leadership inside the muster. Freaking everyone loved it. Uh, I, myself included. And going out, working with companies again. Now we just have someone else on the team that can get out there that understands leadership.


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[Assistant] We're bringing, we've been bringing you out on a bunch of stuff now, so you see other companies and you see you're starting to take even what you learned in school, put that on top of the practical applications that we see now.


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[Assistant] You know the way, so you see it everywhere you look. So that's a, that's a, that's another benefit. So, that's where you're at now.


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[Assistant] You can't even shut us up. Like we, we'll have like a, we got this thing called the tank where we'll get together and talk about like a leader, like, uh, for working with three companies and there'll be leadership issues at each one of the companies and so we'll talk about the leadership issue and then how that problem should be approached.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, that's, it's been awesome. That's why the business has gone so great, because there's no one that's offering what we're doing. There's, there's, there's, people say, well, who's your competition? I'm like, we don't, we don't, I don't mean this in a negative way, but,


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[Assistant] Because I'm sure there's companies out there that are trying to do something, but there's no one that's saying, hey, this is what you do, this is how you lead, this is the way, this will apply to your business, these are the principles that you can use and you can make happen. So yea, that's been, we've been pretty lucky in the fact that we, we,


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[Assistant] Saw the correlations between these two things and saw them pretty clearly, so it's been good.


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[Assistant] It has. No, it's, it's an awesome thing to be a part of and when I say a thing to be a part of, it's awesome.


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[Assistant] To be at the muster with the people that are at the muster. Not just like, oh, we're a part of it and you're not. No, it's like everyone that's there is a part of it and everyone that there is there is contributing to the knowledge that, that's being distributed and increased. So yea, it's uh, it's awesome.


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[Assistant] It's a good time. It is. And that's where you're at now. It's probably a pretty good place to, yea, probably, we're touching three hours almost right now or two and a half or something like that.


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[Assistant] Probably a good place to call it, and I'm sure we'll do this multiple times again in the future. Of course, obviously. Thanks for coming on.


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[Assistant] Adela- Echelon Front. At Echelon Front Overwatch.


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[Assistant] Clearly Mike is out here doing his job. He's done his job, and now, maybe we could get Echo to do his job.


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[Assistant] And talk about how we can all do our job better in some way.


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[Assistant] Okay yeaah. Fashion is what you wear as a human. Yeaah yeaah. And fashion is something else. Yeaah. That you're trying to look a certain way. Yeaah. Or give a certain flavor to your vibe. Yeaah. Which I'm not a fan of. You're not a fan of flavor.


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[Assistant] No, you just, your goal, I went to, when I went to college, there was this woman who was a Buddhist monk. And as I was learning about Buddhists,


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[Assistant] Okay, maybe one of those two. And if you're a practicing Buddhist, you can come on and brief me on this. I'm sure I need help. This is how I read it. Don't, you know, just don't stand out. You're just trying to...


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[Assistant] It's like an ego thing, right? It's like, don't look at me, don't look at me. Because I'm just, I just wear a black t-shirt and a pair of jeans, don't look at me. I'm just a normal dude over here.


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[Assistant] But there was a, there was a person there that was a Buddhist monk and the Buddhist monk wore all the Buddhist garb.


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[Assistant] Which, I don't care. When I was in Thailand, it's awesome. It's actually awesome seeing the Buddhist monks walk around and they come and gather rice for me in the morning and it's like awesome. It seems to be the most, uh, really chill,


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[Assistant] And religion out there, right? And so I'm down with the Buddhists. But if you're not in Thailand,


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[Assistant] With other Buddhist monks, where it's normal, well then you, well guess what happens when you put on the robe?


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[Assistant] If you're in Thailand and you put on the normal monk outfit, you look normal.


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[Assistant] If you're in a university where everyone's dressed in western clothing, shorts, t-shirts, and you put on the garb, then guess what? You don't look normal. You stand out.


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[Assistant] And it almost says, look at me. Yes. Because the true, in my opinion,


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[Assistant] Like, like if you really wanted to attain that level of...


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[Assistant] Ego. Less. Enlightenment. Enlightenment. Than you'd just be dressing like the normal people dress. Nothing more, nothing less. Just right down the middle.


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[Assistant] That's why, if you order something from OriginMain, you could order something that is neon green that Pete Roberts designed.


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[Assistant] See, same thing. This is another question that comes up all the time.


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[Assistant] Should I wear the white gi, the black gi, or the blue gi?


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[Assistant] Buddhist mind, it was always, look, the white gi is just the plain gi, that's it.


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[Assistant] A lot of those different colors in circulation. So whereas, a year ago, I'm saying only a year ago, I would have been like, hey listen, you need to just stick with the white gi, that's just how.


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[Assistant] This is all scientifically proven, a hundred percent that the knee will draw in the joint.


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[Assistant] You might have seen the video that Echo Charles made about discipline. That I, that I was taking three scoops of discipline and that it put me into, uh, let's just call it The Zone. The Zone. Jujitsu Excellence. The Jujitsu, The Zone of Jujitsu Excellence. Yeaah. And you spliced up that video.


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[Assistant] Also, you know you talked about protein not being important, and I actually think you're wrong.


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[Assistant] You need protein, and you might as well get your protein from the, what's commonly known as the only real source of protein that's good, which is mulch.


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[Assistant] We'll call it very soon. Within a week. I'm gonna call it. Within a week. I've had it, and it's...


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[Assistant] It's weird that there's a substance on earth that you can replace your steak and your dessert with one item.


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[Assistant] And I'm not necessarily, I'm not saying you gotta do that, but sometimes cooking a steak is a pain sometimes. It takes eight minutes. You know? We don't have eight minutes. Sometimes boom. Makes up the mulk. You're good. Come to the immersion camp. We'll have mulk at the immersion camp in Maine, August 26th through September 2nd.


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[Assistant] Anyone else that wants to come and speak other languages. All the stuff that Echo just talked about, originmain.com, you can get it there.


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[Assistant] Okay, so on Jocko's store you can get rash cards, t-shirts, trucker hats, you can get other hats, hoodies, you can get hoodies, you can get legit hoodies, and Hawaiian hoodies.


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[Assistant] 38 degrees in Southern California. The Hawaiian hoodie ain't gonna cut it. Yeah, I think you're right about that.


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[Assistant] Also, also subscribe to the podcast. If you haven't, you can subscribe to it. iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher. If you leave reviews, I read them. Sometimes they make me laugh.


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[Assistant] Because the day can be rough, but then you read a good review that makes you laugh, that's positive, so make that happen.


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[Assistant] And the Warrior Kid Podcast. If you haven't been listening to the Warrior Kid Podcast, check it out. Sure, it's for kids.


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[Assistant] Ask Uncle Jake questions. There's some good questions in there. If you've got kids, definitely check it out. YouTube, you can see Echo's legit, supposedly legit videos.


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[Assistant] Anyway, uhm, yeaah. Someone, you made it, you made the muster video? Yep. And someone, this is an interesting point, someone put, someone, I posted it to my Facebook, I posted there and there's, you know, people commenting and then someone wrote, no credit to Echo.


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[Assistant] iTunes, Google Play, MP3, you can get Psychological Warfare. It's an album. And yes, it has tracks. And it's just me telling Echo, and you, if you're listening, not to be weak at that moment in time.


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[Assistant] Nope. It helps. It helps. It helps you not be weak. We're working on the second album. Well, I should say I'm compiling the thoughts for the second album, which seems like we've determined the working title at this point is All Your Excuses Are Lies. Yeah. Cause that one seems to be a hit home.


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[Assistant] Unhealthy energy drinks, we're gonna put them out of business. Yep, that's the, that's the prediction. Because why would you not drink Jock-A-White tea? Why would you drink something that's gonna kill you when you can drink something that's gonna make you more healthy?


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[Assistant] And uh, books, if you're on Amazon anyways, Weigh the Warrior Kid, and Mark's Mission, and the Distinguished Freedom Field Manual. If you want that on audio, it's not an audible book, it's...


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[Assistant] And we have a follow on book to that called The Dichotomy of Leadership, which is coming out September 25th. And...


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[Assistant] We're getting some feedback on it right now, and people are really stoked. Leif and I are definitely stoked on it. It's, uh...


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[Assistant] Cool, cool, cool book to write. It's the little problem, the little area, it's the area that people have the most problems with. How do you balance between being too much of a micromanager and being too...


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[Assistant] With how do you divide- how do you manage being too close to your people or too-


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[Assistant] Distant from your people. So all those little things, all those little balances that you have to figure out as a leader, they're in that book. Check it out. You can pre-order it anywhere. If you pre-order it, it's helpful because that way our publisher


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[Assistant] And speaking of which, for leadership training, if you've read the book, you need a little bit more inside your organization, Echelon Front, we solve problems through leadership. It's me, Leif Babin, JP Dennell, Dave Burke, Flynn Cochran, and now, as you have heard, my brother Mike Cirelli.


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[Assistant] Muster 006. Muster 006 in San Francisco, October 17th and 18th.


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[Assistant] Mike, you kinda talked about this, but you're feeling like the monster head will have good impact on people.


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[Assistant] Well that's one of the things, one of the reasons is because the companies we work with up in Silicon Valley, a lot of times they have the technical capacity, they're smart, they even have


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[Assistant] Uhm, come on out. You can register at ExtremeOwnership.com


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[Assistant] Because of the popularity of the muster and because there's usually law enforcement, military, border patrol, firefighters, paramedics, all first responders, basically people in uniform.


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[Assistant] They've, they've been coming to all the musters, but we wanted to do one that's a little bit cheaper, focused on those types of jobs. So we're doing something in Dallas, Texas, September 21st. It's called the Roll Call.


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[Assistant] If you want to, it's the same register, registered extreme ownership dot com. You gotta be one of those, you gotta be one of those jobs to come to that. But that's gonna be focused on that sort of dynamic leadership that you get into in those situations. So, that's the roll call. 001 September 21st. Of course, now, one more thing to talk about.


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[Assistant] Echelon front overwatch. EF overwatch. So check it out. Real simple to put this out. If you're a veteran.


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[Assistant] And you're either in the military and you're getting ready to transition out of the military. Sof, soft support. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Combat pilots, if you're in that situation.


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[Assistant] Go to efoverwatch.com or if you're a business that wants to bring


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[Assistant] This type of leadership into your team, then go to EF Overwatch and you see there's real simple instruction to follow and we'll proceed to move down the path of putting the best people in the best positions.


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[Assistant] And on top of that if you want to


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[Assistant] Hang out with us a little bit more virtually until we see you in San Francisco at the monster or until we see you at the roll call or until we see you at the immersion camp in Maine then we're on the interwebs


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[Assistant] Uh, after bootcamp, you, you stay and you try, they try and get you ready for buds. Hmm. But that's different, obviously. Yea, yea, it's different. Okay. I don't think that's even a selection. It's not a selection, is it? No. It's just, uh, I'm sure they could deselect you, but the purpose isn't deselection.


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[Assistant] It's one thing. For whatever reason it's an 80% attrition rate. Like almost all the time. Or 70 to 80%. So.


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[Assistant] Don't quit. People ask me what to do, how to get through buds. Don't quit. That's it. Mike, any closing thoughts?


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[Assistant] Like I said, of course, thanks for coming on. And also, like I already said, which I can never say enough,


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[Assistant] Thanks for your service in the defense of our freedom.


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[Assistant] You're talking about all those deployments over and over and over again, man. Keep going back into the fray. It's freakin' awesome. And thank you for doing it.


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[Assistant] And congrats on your retirement. I don't know if I ever even said that to you when you were retired, but...


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[Assistant] It's, uh, I'm glad that you got to be able to retire and it's awesome to be freaking working with you again. So thanks Mike. I'm looking forward to many more years. Thanks brother. And everyone else in the military that's still out there holding the line, doing those deployments over and over again. Thank you.


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[Assistant] And to the police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics and border patrol and the rest of you that are holding the line here at home.


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[Assistant] Thanks for what you're doing and to your families as well. Thank you for supporting those that support us and to the rest of you. I know life isn't perfect.


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[Assistant] And it's your life, and there are those that have given their lives so that we can have ours.


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[Assistant] That's what it's gonna say. I mean, that's cool in theory, but, you know, get on the mats. It's not gonna be like that all the time. I mean, yea, if you can perfect it, good. That's all.


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[Assistant] That's the general principle. You know, like it's just generally that's what you're doing. Whether you're perfecting it or not, generally that's what you're doing. So like, you know, when you're a white belt and someone mounts you, or even if you mount somebody, you're like going for stuff and you're trying to get out immediately and all this stuff, even though bro, that's not the best time to get out. You can kind of use timing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I guess, you know, maybe it's a little bit different, but technically it's in the transition. It is in the transition.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and in the middle of a transition, for example, that's a huge gap, but in a way, since they don't necessarily have whatever the position they're going for, like the mount for example, in the transition to the mount, they don't really have the mount, so that's a huge gap, but it's not technically


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[Assistant] In jujitsu, the more you learn, the more you kind of learn about jujitsu, the more you realize that yeaah, that's a general purpose. Like your whole jujitsu game is economy of force. Your whole game, you're not going to perfect it every single split second of your jujitsu. Sometimes you'll even step outside of the rule to make something specific happen or whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in one, when I was a bouncer, this was part of the training, but they did call it min, min, the minimum, minimum, yeah, which kinda, when you're training, it's kinda like, especially if you've been in like breaking up a, like a significant fight situation, you start


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[Assistant] It just sounds off. I know what they mean, and this is what they mean right here. S-sufficient.


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[Assistant] Right, yeaah. And I understood it when they said it, of course, like it's a, when we're not in the situation, it's like yeaah, that's true. Technically that's true. But it just, I like how they use sufficient though because it, when you hear, like especially if you're talking about warfare,


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[Assistant] Or, in my case, bouncing when you're breaking up guys fighting with, you know, bottles or whatever, and they're saying, hey, use the minimum.


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[Assistant] You know, kind of thing, and then they'll like injure somebody or something like that when they don't have to. Yeah.


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[Assistant] This is just kind of naturally too because they're like since they're grappling movements like unless you're one of these super duper quick guys You know like everything's gonna be more or less telegraphed You know if like if I say hey Jocko, um, if I know you love the armlock and you know go for armlocks I'm gonna know that's kinda


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[Assistant] Yeah, but here's the thing about that technique too. That's like, well, there's two elements that go on in here. One, there's like, okay, Dean, cause we talked about this before. Well, Dean, like, he's gonna say, okay, Dean, I'm a-


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[Assistant] Yeah, so and so he got into a position where now either he was ahead of you now or he's in a position where all your defenses that he knows have to come for you to stop him. He knows the defense and all that. He put himself early on into a position where he can shut down those defenses before we need him.


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[Assistant] And they're also, the second part is, uh, mic, like little, uh, for lack of a better term, micro surprises. So it's like, you know how it's like, hey, I'm gonna go for this armlock, and I know your armlock is coming, but just even for like a half a second, split second, I'm gonna like,


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[Assistant] Just for that split second, you're like, oh, your mind goes, okay, or you're just your body, even if your mind is still on the arm-up, you're like, your reaction, oh, I gotta put my, you know, you know that, it's like our early movie learn, and uh, Akbar used to do this all the time, where, you know the sit-up sweep from the guard, sit-up sweep for the guard.


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[Assistant] And when you base, you go tr- you go back to the triangle. That's what you do, because to base you put your arm down, you can get your leg over. Like that, for example.


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[Assistant] Like if someone likes to do triangle, Jill Tudor used to do that stuff to me all the time, cause he liked the triangle. And he'd do these little things that you gotta put your arm down, just real quick.


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[Assistant] Even if you're like, yeah, just real quick, I'll just put it down real quick to base or whatever, and I'll put it right back into the defensive position. Like bruh, that's a little micro surprise. Even though you were just in the dark the whole time, and where did that triangle come from? It's not that. It was just for that little split second. Little split second. Little micro surprise. It's a surprise. That works. Hey, back to this, uhm, maneuver. Like, I feel like that's like, and I learned this from you where,


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[Assistant] But simply you say, hey, build a relationship, right, with people. Like you're like, hey, my boss won't listen to my input or my coworker won't, you know, listen to my, my strategy, which is awesome and all this stuff. You're like, hey, cause you're just going straight, you gotta, you gotta create a relationship. You gotta get into the position.


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[Assistant] Critical yeaah, but really helpful because again, that's one of those things where you gotta, you gotta detach, you gotta, you gotta kinda step outside and be like, hey,


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[Assistant] Cause that, okay, to build a relationship with your boss, no one thinks, like, that that's the solution to the problem. Because directly, it's kinda not. Even though it's probably a huge, HUGE. Why would you say directly it's not? Cause it straight up is. Well, it doesn't seem like it. Put it that way. Why?


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[Assistant] That's more like, hey, I gotta build a relationship first, then I can- It's basically adding another step, but that step is like this straight up requirement.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you go outside of the scope of like the broad goal, you know. And everyone can see it by the way. Everyone can see it. See it from a mile away.


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[Assistant] I keep it too real. Too real to do it. I'm not bowing down to that guy. Yep, can't do it. Cool, so you're gonna lose. Yeah. So you'd rather lose. Yeah, see, but when you put it into perspective, again, that perspective that you put it in, which is, which I do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you can get into a habit, like you kind of su- not su- you su- straight up surprised me. Because I forgot, by the way. Because it's not as- doesn't come as natural with one of your answers at the- at roll call. When you were like, hey, build a relationship. Oh. Like you're-


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[Assistant] They actually changed our name from bouncers to uh, first it was hosts. Wait, what was it? Yea, it was hosts. You're not bouncers, you're hosts.


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[Assistant] He said, be nice. Oh, that's like the rule, right? Be nice, and he's like, uh, ask him to walk, but be nice. If he doesn't walk, walk him, but be nice.


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[Assistant] That's the, like, the Bible, what do you call it? Not the Bible, but the movie version of the Bible. You know how you have, like, what's the Navy SEAL movie? The one you got to, you know, for pilots it's Top Gun, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and wha- I mean kinda in a way, I mean I'm sure there's exceptions obviously, but in a way there's always gonna be like some debate. You know how like-


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[Assistant] They'll be like, hey, you know, I'm gonna make a generic example, but like, you, you know, if, hey, some turmoil in this country because of the way these people are treating these other people in this country. Boom, US steps in, and all this stuff. Some, there's gonna be somebody debating, hey,


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[Assistant] Like that's their country, that's how they roll. You know, it's like who are you to step in and call them, you know, immoral or whatever when that's how they've been living for thousands of years. That's my point. Yeah, that's my point.


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[Assistant] So yea, who gets to make that decision? It's a tough one. Yea, almost like a global standard needs to be established. You know, I think that's kind of the deal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you need, if you need a documented argument for why that is, I think, I don't think that'd be a problem to produce.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah, kinda like when the, you know, the detective shows up at your door. Hey, we got some questions for you. I don't have time. Whatever. Oh, we could do it here, or we could go.


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[Assistant] Then they're like, hey, they don't want to cooperate that much. They say this thing. They say, yeah, I was there, but I don't remember all this stuff. Then they say, well, hey, if you don't tell us the truth, you could be going to jail. All your freedom! Now the sticks go up off. They start talking more. See what I'm saying? Then they say, hey, your friend, was he involved?


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? They're like, oh, no, no, no, hey, if you're lying, not only do you go to jail, man, you know, and they raise the stakes a little bit, aw, they're right on their friend, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, hey, we gotta, hey, there's a little, we gotta create a wheat point, like, right over there. Hey, we should send, like, like, you know, like, maybe 12 guys or something. Yeah. Maybe over, or we could just use those nukes over here. Yeah, just use those nukes.


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[Assistant] Come on bro, wake up 3.30 in the morning. Come on, that's like, uh, what do you call it? Like, an inspired, creative, genius type scenario. Well, I don't know about all that. Come on bro, come on.


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[Assistant] You read me when it wasn't even done yet. Oh. And it was like, I was like, dang, I was in first, I kind of want a superficial level. I was impressed with your ability to like actually rhyme stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause you know how some, you know, one time, like, I don't know, me, I'm gonna bust out some rhyme I made up. It's gonna be so far-fetched. Just do better with that, you know? But yours is like, it all fits. It's like, yeah, I understand how your friend was like, like, how did you do that? Or whatever, you know? Cause it's just, you can't just throw words together, that rhyme.


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[Assistant] You know how like, okay, so I read kids book, I got kids, we all know that.


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[Assistant] And, there's kids books, but the message is this real simple mess. I don't know, there's like a, I don't know, whatever. The little kid message, but it's like as an adult, I'm not gonna read that and be, I learned that a long time ago. I learned that when I was a kid.


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[Assistant] But these ones, even all the warrior kid books or whatever, these are adult messages for kids.


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[Assistant] So that's what, that's another thing I was like, dang, I was thinking that too, but how do you, how do you do that? You know? And then I'm thinking, you know what happened? You were like scared of some, like bugs or something when you were, that's just what I was thinking in my head. I don't know, maybe we're, maybe we're, anyway. So yeah, so the finished one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know, but it works. So I borrow the story. Obviously I can't remember the rhyming parts of it, but I understand the story. Yeah, I told the story to my daughter as a bedtime story. And like she's like, oh, she's like, oh, are there, she's got all these questions, you know, cause she thinks it's real. But man, the lesson is so good.


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[Assistant] That's cool cause I only saw some, I didn't see the completed book. I saw like just some of the pictures and you know, Bozak, you know, he knows what he's doing.


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[Assistant] So, yes, so, obviously, well, it is obvious, like I said last time. We're gonna talk about origin. You know why? Cause what? When you think of path, we're thinking what?


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[Assistant] Fitness. Or how should I say it? Capability. I don't want to see fitness or whatever. No, because it's not fitness. Yeah, it's like, it's like ca-capability. That's what it is. Capability. Jiu-jitsu. Which is essentially under the umbrella of capability.


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[Assistant] I think so too. I think that's very, uh, how should I say, informative. Eh. That kind of makes it less impactful if I say informative, but yeaah. Hell yeaah.


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[Assistant] Like, basically like practice stuff, right? Yeah, rehearsal, absolutely. So the talking to people, that's a big one. Like, you know how someone will, you'll have like, I don't know, social anxiety. And there's, it's a spectrum. Some people have massive social anxiety. Some people just prefer not a lot of people be there, you know, kind of thing. And it's a spectrum.


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[Assistant] And, and obviously real common, right? So yeah, if you want to increase confidence, you say, okay, in regards to the talking.


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[Assistant] Yes, so, okay, so, and I kinda got it from like being in like Oregon, and sometimes in Hawaii, where


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[Assistant] So in Oregon, right, okay, so we'll compare the two scenarios, right, in San Diego compared to Oregon. In San Diego, if I go in the, I don't know, frozen food aisle, and someone else is there kinda in front of the peas, whatever I'm getting, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna politely, hopefully, politely wait for them to finish and leave.


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[Assistant] But put bluntly, that's like I'm gonna wait for them to get out of my way, and so I can do what I have to do, and then I'm gonna, you know, in Oregon,


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[Assistant] For lack of a better term, celebrate the fact that you're sharing space. You know, like we're both at the grocery store, you know, kind of thing. Interesting. Yeah, put it, this is my interpretation of the field.


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[Assistant] You make eye contact and say hi. You know, kinda thing. Try to do it as genuine as possible, obviously. Cause you don't want them to think you're gonna catch them outside and sell them something or something.


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[Assistant] And then same thing goes for like the cashier, especially if you see him all the time, you, you, you don't say the generic, hey, how are you like that kind of, I don't know, like make it for real. Like you care about like, Hey, so how was it today? You know, cause you know, when you're a cashier, you see people after people, if it gets crowded, that's something, if it's real dead, that's something. So you can say, Hey, how was it tonight? Was it crowded? You know what I like doing?


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[Assistant] Well it's the same concept. And my point is, that's just where it kinda came from.


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[Assistant] Yes, so when, when, when you do that, the more and more you do that, uh, the more, just, I would say,


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[Assistant] Let's just say to say safe for h4 and up.


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[Assistant] Below that is like, there's exceptions. Below it's playtime. Yeaah. Yes. Which is part of jujitsu too, by the way. Playtime. As a kid. Playtime. Yeaah, for sure. It should be fun. Right. Think about this as jujitsu, right? And you'll be up to it.


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[Assistant] You know, like with your friends, when you're young, right, little kid, I don't know, maybe 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. When you, 18, 19, 20, 23, whatever, when you're drunk at a party with your friends, it's all the same deal.


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[Assistant] Sure, that happens occasionally, and which actually fits into what I'm about to say. So, what jiu-jitsu is, it's basically that, but the skill that, that, that's required to win at that, you know? So we still have that need, like me and you right now. Your whole point is to say that jiu-jitsu's fun. Yes. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Okay, so now you gotta unpack it because it's like, you can see, there's a lot of things that are fun.


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[Assistant] The thing is, but they don't know what kind of fun, you know, so if I say hey, um, you know, actually it's more fun than that


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, there's that 100%. But I think just as a fundamental kind of, I don't want to say need, but want is like, bro, like see how you're even looking at me right now? Like, bro, I kind of want to fight you right now.


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[Assistant] You'd be like, what, you want to take it outside and see what up? As friends, but that's all jiu-jitsu really is. That's really what it is. It's like, yeah, let's go on the mat and let's basically fight in a way that we don't burn each other's bridges and not be friends anymore. And then, but on top of that, it's like they teach you the skill to do that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, kill everybody nonetheless. So if you're training jiu-jitsu, when you're training jiu-jitsu, or if you're on the path, it might be good.


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[Assistant] Just regular clothes too, like shirts and, you know, some athletic wear, but the shorts that I wear, I only wear, well I have one pair of like random camo shorts.


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[Assistant] So yea, you say origin, cause you know what, PD cares. Like you don't care about the fashion stuff, but the fashion subtleties, it has to do with fit, fit, style, but it's subtle though. Anyway, they got a bunch of stuff on there, clothing wise as well, like joggers, and you like the joggers.


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[Assistant] So, you know, uhm, you know, Koa the Kid. Yeaah. Happens to be my cousin. Mhm. He's on the path. Oh. The beginnings of the path. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Taking the first step. Interestingly, got on the Molk train as the first step.


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[Assistant] Available now. My kids going straight on the mulch. Oh yeaah. Yeaah. One speed, one way ticket.


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[Assistant] You know, I just don't know a lot of things, you know, in regards to- either way. So, okay, yes, kids, on Moke Train, on the path. Kids are on the path.


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[Assistant] At that book signing, there, there wasn't, there weren't many kids there.


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[Assistant] Every kid there last night was on the path. Huge time. One kid literally tried to challenge me to a jiu-jitsu match on more than one occasion and I'm not even joking. Like for real, I wanted to. Which I dug, by the way. I mean, I couldn't engage him because, you know, I mean, during all this time.


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[Assistant] Anyway, okay, kids on the back. So, which brings me to our, uh, store. Jocko has a store. It's called Jocko's Store, right? Pretty straightforward. Anyway, there is, there are Warrior Kid rash guards for when they join Jujitsu. Nogi part of it. Rash guards on there, there's obviously Warrior Kid shirts.


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[Assistant] It's on jocostore.com. Also on jocostore.com is where you can get your shirts.


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[Assistant] There was a, there was a technical thing where like the logo and you know, cause hats have panels, a certain amount of panels and you know the logo, does it fit on this, does it go on the seam?


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah. And then I was going to call, I was thinking of one called DefCore Declassifying.


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[Assistant] It's just white on white. You know, whatever. Black ops. You see what I'm saying. Anyway, uhm, well, you know, yeaah. You know, I'm gonna have to ask that we all kinda just kinda check back on that one. Maybe it's live, maybe it's not. Nonetheless, if you go there and you want to represent hardcore, that's where you can get your shirt. Or hoodie. New hoodie on the way, by the way.


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[Assistant] Technically, that's the thing. Anyway, hoodies on there. A lot of cool stuff on there. Oh, and I did the research. Who, what, what's better? What do people, literally, what do people like better? Flexfit hat or trucker hat? Which one? Even. Even Steven. Okay, cool. Actually, there's like, I think, two more people, historically speaking, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think videos, just in general, are like, fun to watch. I could be just speaking for myself.


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[Assistant] What was good about that, you learned, it seemed like anyway, according to your post, that you learned a little lesson.


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[Assistant] And you're open about it too. Yea yea. That's good. Yea. You can't be like hiding your failures and then acting like-


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[Assistant] Anyway, stay on the path, is what I'm saying. Uhm, also if you're, if you're incorporating kettlebell workouts and various ring workouts,


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, yeah, but yeah, on it, go there, that's the, you can get some cool workout stuff, and actually good travel workout stuff too, like those, well, you always said this, I know, but, you know, I'm slowly coming to the realization that you, when you travel with rings, that opens up your whole travel workout. Game changer. Yeah. Game changer. Check. You know, if you're working out,


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[Assistant] Which is the best book, and I'm gonna say it, it's a bold statement. In fact, I was debating whether or not to actually say it out loud. That's the best book in the world. Straight up. Mark's Mission, the second one.


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[Assistant] You- Okay, so I'm reading it to my- We just finished it, uh, a week ago.


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[Assistant] Finishing it, yes. Oh, okay, interesting, interesting. So uhm, oh, cause we jumped around to another book. It's a long story, but nonetheless, yeaah, so finished it, right? So, you know why though, now that I'm searching my feelings,


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[Assistant] The way it's simplified and broken down to kids, or to whoever's reading it, because quite frankly it's broken down to me, in this case, uhm, is like, it's pretty...


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[Assistant] We'll just say it's pretty interesting. But at the same time, you, you glorify things like hard work, right? In a way that it actually makes the kid want to work hard. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, getting a job. Like go mow lawns and pull weeds by the way. Which if we, you know, we all know that when you did that as a kid, you're like, no bro, we don't want to do that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, my daughter, by the way. She wants to pull weeds. Yea, she's salty cause she doesn't have a job mowing lawns and pulling weeds. Yea.


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[Assistant] You know how it's like, well, let's face it, like, that's why when you get nervous in jujitsu with tournaments or whatever, like, there was, I remember when I was competing, and strangely I was competing a lot too. Like every, like, maybe two, three weeks there was a tournament back then. Wasn't as often as now, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I would be competing, but every single one seems like we're driving there, and if like, my wife was, I think my girlfriend at the time.


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[Assistant] And my brother, whoever's driving, if they're talking about other stuff, I'm like getting mad at him. Cause I'm like, don't you realize I have a tournament? It's like that idea, you know? And I'm like, I don't behave that way, but that's what's going on in my mind. And a, and a tangible, small, but tangible part of my mind is like hoping that like,


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[Assistant] The gym burnt down when we got there. Like I just don't wanna, you know, it's like that, it's weird. But then the way like you lay out, cause Mark didn't want to compete in a tournament, right? And the way you lay out and you really, it's a call out is what it is. It's like you're calling out.


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[Assistant] You're like, I'm afraid, but you know, it's like, you're not afraid of jujitsu. You do jujitsu every day, full speed by the way. And you're not afraid of jujitsu, you're afraid of losing. And guess what? Losing's okay.


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[Assistant] It really hit me. Anyways, and then from there to me from then on, it was like, and how it culminated is good, man. It's straight up the best book in the world. I'll give it to you. Don't want to, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's how that works. Like, that's the one you refer back to every day. Or, you know, every other day or whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well one of the guys committed suicide in Milli Vanilli. It was like, you know, it got heavy. But nonetheless, the point is, it's like, yeah, it's not them singing it, you know, they're liars or whatever, but the songs were kinda dope. That's the thing. So, you know, same deal. So I get it.


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[Assistant] Yes, so one time not to go too deep into it, but they tried to make us do a podcast about Milli Vanilli over there. They went into it, and they were like, hey, we think you can, cause they messed up on stage, right? Oh, that's how they got busted? The tape skipped, yea. Oh, dang.


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[Assistant] And so they're like, oh my gosh, they panicked, they ran off stage, all this stuff. They could have just been like, yeah, we were lip syncing for that show. But then, uh, so I forget how they handled it, but then people were like, hey.


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[Assistant] They're like, no, we'll prove it, you know? And then so the people came in and listened to him like actually singing the thing. It was like, oh my God, not even close. These guys can't even sing.


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[Assistant] Yeah man, and that's the thing, like just like how you said, like why not just get here, the people who really sang those songs, they were older people, they were like old, like 50s or something like that, like, so they didn't have the pop culture kind of feel, so they were less marketable in that way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know. The marketing, I think that's a big part of it. I don't know man, but you are right though. You know, it's weird.


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[Assistant] I mean, more of the long time thing. Of course, yea, you gotta consider, just like that one, there's like a reporter, like a, like a news reporter who like said he was in a helicopter and it took fire and all this stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the thing, the facts. So there's a difference between saying A, this was the biggest explosion you'd ever seen in your life. You know, like saying that is different than like this explosion was literally, you know, 200 feet in the air or something like this.


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[Assistant] When you were, when you'd hear about this, oh, this guy or this, you know, this, did you know that he was a faker back then?


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[Assistant] Do you think that it's kind of in a way your duty to kind of to call it out? Okay, there's two ways to answer


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[Assistant] Yeah, so like even socially, you know, where, let's say you know a person, and I've been in this situation before, not even necessarily in it, I'm not saying that, not saying that either, but I'm saying,


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[Assistant] They, I don't know, you know, just I'm saying, you know, social scenario where, you know, they have a nice car, but then they owe like ten people, like tens of thousands of dollars because of how they screwed them over in something, like they're friends and all this stuff, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, there's a small group of people who know all about that stuff. And we see, you know, we'll see, or you'll see this person as this huge faker going around town as this huge faker.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but everyone else who's not in it sees him as this great person who's like, you know, whatever.


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[Assistant] On one hand, you're kind of like, yeah, let me, let me, and not the kind, you're not going to go on the radio or something and broadcast it. Well, you don't have to go on the radio all these days, right? You can go on the song.


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[Assistant] No, that's what I mean, but you're not gonna go on and announce these things, it's just like if it ever comes up.


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[Assistant] Right. So that could be problematic. Yeah, or now you have like a little conflict with this person, now you gotta deal with whatever comes of that. You see what I'm saying? It's kinda like, don't like, what do you call it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, fully. And I think most people, that's how it is, you know, they don't like that, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, even the video game thing, it seems like there's like a step before that for someone to get conditioned to killing because...


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[Assistant] I don't know, obviously my last intense video game experience is like PlayStation 2, which seems like a long time ago.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, video games are realistic, but it seems like that they have to get past a certain step to consider the video games as being training. So you guys, like, when you guys were, you know, in training, you know, in the SEAL teams, you guys were specifically training for that specific thing. That was on your mind. So you're past the point of the moral objection.


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[Assistant] So let's say you weren't past the moral objection part of it.


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[Assistant] And you were just shooting, whether it be video games or shooting at the range or shooting at these other things and you were like, Hey, I know this is, I'm not training for anything specifically. I'm just sort of doing it, whether it be for fun or to get better at shooting or, or better at this game or whatever. If you're not past the moral objection part, is it really training you to be?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I feel, yeah I agree, but I feel like there's this one kind of crucial step before that, like if you consider a slaughterhouse person. Like there's a difference between working in a slaughterhouse and being conditioned to the sight and the smell and the experience of doing it.


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[Assistant] But not having the barrier that's like, okay, I'm gonna make a decision to do this under, you know, a different circumstance. Something that's more morally tied.


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[Assistant] Because you can even consider someone on the opposite, where let's say they're morally, uhm, what do we call it, the moral barrier has been crossed in their head, or they're weird, they're a psychopath, I don't know, you know, in their brain. And then they've never killed anyone or anything like that.


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[Assistant] So I heard, actually I read this thing on Saddam Hussein's son, son's novel. And so the first time how they'd quote unquote condition them, they'd be like, hey, you know, here's some prisoners, shoot them, kill them, right?


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[Assistant] So the first time, no, the first time, not con- these kids not conditioned in this way to, you know, to have the experience of killing somebody.


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[Assistant] So the first time they give him the gun, the kid shoots him and empties the clip.


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[Assistant] The kid was past that moral barrier a long time ago. But first time, unconditioned as far as the experience goes.


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[Assistant] He turns to the guard and goes, Hey, can I have another magazine to do it? So he really liked it. He didn't need necessarily conditioning because he was past that moral part. See what I'm saying? So yeah, it feels like they are two separate things, but once you kind of cross that, that initial moral barrier, oh yeah, the more conditioned you are, the better.


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[Assistant] So, Rudolph was the only one with the red nose, and before they were like, they used to tease him, and all this stuff, you know? He thought he was inferior, but when Santa was like, hey, your nose is so bright, won't you guide my sleigh to- Tonight I get to guide the sleigh? Hell yea, steps up, does the job. There you go.


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[Assistant] Also, the whole thing about it controlling you, you know, I mean, do you ever forget your phone? Do you have that at all? Like when you leave your phone at home or in the car or something like that where you don't have it for like a year, you know, I don't


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But you know, back in the day when we're, you know, whatever. Teenagers or whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you wanna look in the dic- dictionary.com. Dictionary.com. Boom. You don't need those fingers. Unless you got that OED app.


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[Assistant] All that stuff. Yeaah. Then you got, uhm, what's the street language one? What is that one? The one, uh... Urban Dictionary. Urban Dictionary. Yeaah. That one's kinda fun. That one's hilarious. But here's the thing, it's weird, it's like, it is fun and it's funny, but it's very useful. Cause you know when people, they'll say stuff, and you'll be like, wait, wait, wait.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know if I can define it sp- specifically, but it means like, get fired up. Like, it's like, dope.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, but yeaah, but that's the thing though, you lose or you forget your cell phone, you go to the store, I don't know, you go to the bonds, and you leave by accident or whatever your phone at home.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Or this is the one day that there's like an emergency. Not to say that you can't have an emergency, you totally can, but it's like,


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[Assistant] But everyone around, here's the thing though, with that, everyone around you kinda feels the same thing. So, like for example, if you go to the store, or if I go to the store, people know I go to the store, or people know I went to the store, my wife knows, you know, maybe if I'm like hanging out with friends, I'm going to the store real quick.


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[Assistant] And here's the thing, and I think this is important to understand overall, for kinda, for you, for sure, for everyone. When someone, you know how like someone will text you, or someone will send you like a message, like a long message.


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[Assistant] It's easy to think like, hey, you could have responded with like, just something, you know, rather than nothing, but here's the thing, that's not true, because if someone sends you a text message,


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[Assistant] Or especially something long and meaningful. Like you don't want to just reply back with okay. Or okay, I'll text you later more about this message. That makes way less sense. You want to have something kind of thought out. So it's not just a small little response.


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[Assistant] Who doesn't have time to send one text? Well the thing is, yeaah, physically sending the text doesn't take any time.


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[Assistant] But to consider you're a valid or appropriate response to most texts and especially in your case where you get messages, legit messages. You can't just be like cool and then move on to the next thing. You can't do that.


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[Assistant] So you gotta like consider all these things and then all that consideration, that's what takes the time. And mental energy by the way, like, like, like you can't go in one direction mentally and just pivot real quick and be like, yeah, let me just mentally accommodate this. You know, it's like, man, it takes more thought than that. So it's hard to fit it all in, especially for, you know. It is man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true, huh? Like if you get the, or someone else, something else gets the upper hand, it's like dang, you gotta work double time just so it doesn't have the upper hand anymore. Once you get the upper hand, okay, now you can boom, you can find your rhythm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's kinda like a pay attention kinda thing, like it's a way of paying attention.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Dang, that's saying a lot with the voice cancelling headset, and even then, the voice is better.


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[Assistant] I'm standing in the TSA line. I see... super long. By the way. When I say super long, I mean like...


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[Assistant] So I'm standing in line, I'm like, you know when you're in a hurry, you're always looking for little shortcuts, and I'll violate a few rules, you know, to get there quicker, so I'm on the lookout. Everyone else is just cruising, just falling in line, literally. Uh, so I look and I see a weird sort of line start to kind of forming.


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[Assistant] Way shorter too. Like the kind like I can, I can literally walk about 15 meters.


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly right. So, but boom, I, man, I was gonna miss that flight. So,


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[Assistant] I asked, oh, how's this? I asked the guy not like in that line, cause it's way ahead. I asked the guy in the next line who was like maybe two, three people ahead of me, but in a different line. I was like, is that another line? And he, you know what he says? He said, yeah, it is. He goes, yeah, it is. So I was like, oh, I just go.


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[Assistant] He already knew it, but then he was like standing there, but he didn't do it probably from that social pressure. So of course I go and then everyone falls, but I look behind everyone. I fear like a commotion behind me, but it's just so many people filling in. That's how freaking leading from the and I made the flight by literally like what? 10 seconds probably.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, is one of those things where I was kinda getting into it, you know, like, I'm like, yeah, dang, that's true, that's true, yeah, that's, and then, kinda like how you mentioned before, I'm like, wait, but this guy, but then, you know, it's like, it's the, it's the dichotomy.


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[Assistant] But, you know, if you can, how, uh, as it were, not throw the baby out. With the bath water. Yeaah. There's some good stuff.


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[Assistant] And in that path, on that path, is jujitsu, of course. Right? Better be, should be, should be, in my, in our


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[Assistant] Going to the grocery store does facilitate one of the other things in my life, see what I'm saying? Okay.


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[Assistant] Big time. Eh, okay, so Origin. Okay, OriginMain.com. This is where you can get your gi for jujitsu if you haven't got one already. Go get one. There's people out there who don't know any other gi except for OriginGi. Actually, someone contacted me. It was like, hey,


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[Assistant] I realize, uhm, you know, origin is the gi to get, but before I buy one, would you consider donating one to my cause? Uh, I think they're like saving up for one, you know, cause sometimes that's how, you know, you save up for your gi or whatever.


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[Assistant] So I'm thinking, on one hand, the dichotomy, sure.


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[Assistant] I'm never using these other gi's again. I wouldn't. Oh, I see. But on the other hand, why would I want to bestow a substandard gi onto someone just starting by the way?


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[Assistant] So it's like, boom, they got that. But then again, uh, eh, I'll probably will. Assuming that the size, you know. Alright, well that's neither here nor there. Nonetheless, the point is, if you want to get a good geek, all made in America, various types, options.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's awesome to see. It's interesting to see, to watch Pete get into it. Just let him go. Just let him talk. Oh yeah, for sure. You say, oh man, that's why these things are like so dope when you look at them.


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[Assistant] That's where it is. Anyway, also on there is joggers and rash guards and clothes.


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[Assistant] You over here getting the upper hand on life. Yeah. That's what's going on. Plus I did the few scoops of discipline. So boom, I'm doing it. I feel like I understand it. You know? So disciplined.


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[Assistant] I'm down for the three scoops of discipline by the way. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it's kind of a double effect and I can see how that can be. Especially if you're going into some situation like a test.


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[Assistant] Straight up. Yea, if you want some additional protein, bruh. I made milk pancakes, straight up. How did you do it? Okay. Okay, so now you're going down.


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[Assistant] Well, then again, no, I can't say that. I don't think so. Not that I know of, but I read the bottle or nothing. It's good though. Well, okay, on Saturdays or Sundays, depending, I get, I make pancakes. There's only one day, and it's for the kids and all this stuff. So here's the thing.


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[Assistant] I got these, or my wife got these paleo, it's paleo pancake mix. Check, check, check. Was that almond?


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[Assistant] I don't know, okay. Paleo pancake mix, check. So, boom, I go in, and you know pancake mix is like a certain kind of mix to create like a pancake consistency. I don't, I don't know. But then I'm like, wait, milk, milk mix, pancake mix, I could.


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[Assistant] I guess technically I'd just make regular pancakes later, but it wasn't about that. Right then and there I was trying to deliver big time. So I can't just start throwing random ingredients and a recipe in the back of it. So this is what I did. It called for a cup and a third of pancake mix. I just put like a little less than a cup and then, you know, a third, little bit over a third.


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[Assistant] But, boom, I make them a little bit darker. Obviously, because it was the chocolate peanut butter, by the way. It wasn't the mint.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, yeah, there is darker brown. Yeah, not the mint too, by the way. I think that you're risking jamming up pancakes with the mint. I think, I don't know, I didn't do it. Anyway, yeah, came out good. Boom, maple syrup. Boom, big hit. Kids liked it. Kids didn't know, but it had the peanut butter kind of flavor in there. It was good. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yes, and also, Jocko's store, it's called Jocko's store, and this is where you can get shirts,


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[Assistant] Hoodies, rash, other rash guards, more, more skewed towards the path, the message.


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[Assistant] Anyway, there's some cool stuff on there. If you want to represent, discipline equals freedom. Cause discipline does equal freedom, by the way.


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[Assistant] That's one of those things, like you can think about that for like 20 days, and it'll make more and more sense over the 20 days. And then, after two years, and in my case, three years. It makes even more sense. Even more sense. You see it everywhere. Yeah, and so it does. And if you want to represent.


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[Assistant] JockoStore.com, that's where you can get the stuff. Cool stuff on there, some new stuff on there too, by the way.


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[Assistant] Anyway, hats on there as well. A lot of cool stuff. Anyway, chocolatestore.com. Good way to support. Good way to stay on the path.


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[Assistant] You know what that is? Maybe, maybe, maybe not, obviously. You know, when you look at it, it's like, hey yeah, they did the same thing. Put it that way. I don't know whether they got it from you or not. Okay, whatever. Uhm, but they did do the same thing.


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[Assistant] Here's what I really got from that whole thing, especially his video, how he did it. He's like, watch it. You know what I did? It really illustrated that concept, like how we used to talk about all the time, where when someone says good, like that,


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[Assistant] Anyway, nonetheless, good. It's all good, man. You're the man. Uhm, also, good way to support yourself.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and, and it makes sense too. Yeaah, just the whole deal, I mean, you know.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I think that when you hear that, I always hear, oh Jock, I just hear you saying it, you know? Even if I see the word good in all caps, in a regular sentence. Like in a different context, I'll be like, oh, it'll remind me of it, see what I'm saying? It just sticks out like that. I don't know. Anyway.


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[Assistant] Good way to support also is to subscribe on iTunes and Stitcher, if you're Android, Google Play and you know, wherever you listen to your podcast, just subscribe and that is a good way.


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[Assistant] Revenge. I called the revenge video. You called the forgive video. That's interesting. Yea, that is an interesting history. I have not posted that yet, but yes.


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[Assistant] Whatever you like. Also, back, back to working out. I got ring, okay, OnIt.com. OnIt. The company. OnIt. Dope. I got rings. I told you recently, here's the thing about rings. I think it's on, again, I said this before, where you, you know, you're always preaching about the rings, right? It's like one of the, what do you call it? The staples.