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[Assistant] Its intestines dropped out, dragged on the ground, and soon its feet were entangled in its own intestines to the point where it fell down and could not run any further.


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[Assistant] It lay there with its head up for what seemed like to be an endless period.


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[Assistant] It seemed to be more surprised concerning how it had become entangled in its own parts than in the pain.


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[Assistant] We were sorry that it was so situated by this time that it was difficult to put it out of its misery. I think most people when they think of horses.


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[Assistant] You just think of a beautiful creature running free.


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[Assistant] There was intense fighting at a place called Sergi. And the usual atrocity stories. We heard many of them. They went something like this.


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[Assistant] A two year old girl got in the way of a marching column of German troops. A soldier bayoneted it and carried it away on his bayonet.


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[Assistant] Children were slaughtered for no apparent motive. The soldiers tied up civilian prisoners, prodded them with bayonets, put lit cigarettes in their noses and ears and shot them.


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[Assistant] Eyes were burned out with red-hot pokers. Civilian snipers were tortured in every possible way.


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[Assistant] In Vimeo, they had been spread-eagled in the public square. A rat would be placed under an iron kettle upon the man or woman's bare abdomen, then a fire built atop the kettle.


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[Assistant] The victim was tortured first by the frantic running around of the rat on his or her bare abdomen when it became nearly smothered and terror stricken and pain filled from the smoke and heat. Then it would eat down through the body of the human's living flesh to escape.


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[Assistant] Her arms were nailed to the door in extended fashion. Her left breast was half cut away.


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[Assistant] A young boy of five or six years of age lay on a doorstep with his two hands nearly severed from his arms, but still hanging to them.


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[Assistant] At another place where the, where the dead bodies of a man and woman, a girl and a boy.


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[Assistant] Each of them had both hands cut off at the wrists and both feet above the ankle. Child of seven beheaded.


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[Assistant] A whole family killed, including a young girl because the girl would not give herself to the Germans. Burned to death in their houses. All the women violated. The entire German regiment drunk, etc.


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[Assistant] The above are exact quotations from the Bryce report, which specialized in outrages against women and children.


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[Assistant] They are samples of the sort of stories we were always hearing.


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[Assistant] He never saw personally these things.


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[Assistant] But this is the kind of things that they heard about happening all the time.


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[Assistant] And they're getting ready for another counterattack. A court council of war brought the decision that we would cross the bridge in daylight.


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[Assistant] The men got ready to move and we prepared to rush across the bridge three or four at a time. The ranks of every company had been decimated.


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[Assistant] And probably our outfit consisted of only four or five hundred men instead of the full strength one thousand men there should have been.


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[Assistant] But I could see one particularly well. He'd been coming up the street past one of the garden walls and had been hit with a shell. His legs were laying on this side of the wall.


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[Assistant] We're lying there like they had been taking from some gigantic frog. While on the other side of the wall, the hole the shell made I could see the rest of his body.


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[Assistant] He was a powerful appearing man in his early twenties with a thick shock of blonde hair. His eyes were wide open. He never knew what hit him.


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[Assistant] About the middle of the afternoon, the Germans tried another counterattack and we helped the defenders behind the barricade and in the houses farther up the street by sniping from the second floor of the houses we occupied.


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[Assistant] We were prepared to stop the attack if it had penetrated down the street to our positions.


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[Assistant] Firing over the heads of men behind the barricade, we were able to assist in stopping this counterattack.


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[Assistant] The Germans too had their snipers to cover the advance of their men.


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[Assistant] I remember one who was firing very carefully from a window in a house well up the street.


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[Assistant] I took careful aim, and he fell forward out of the window.


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[Assistant] During all this fighting, the air was filled with dust and with the fumes of powder.


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[Assistant] They burnt our noses, throats and lungs to such an extent that we could not tell if gas was in the air. And it's this point they're trying to make progress and they get caught in a horrible crossfire, flanking fire.


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[Assistant] Frontal fire is bad enough, but flanking fire is suicidal.


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[Assistant] Men were getting hit all around us, they were calling for stretchers, trying to apply their own first aid kits on every side, and some of them were gasping out their last breaths.


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[Assistant] Kinda comes down to one final situation that they're in. They're holed up, and they're about to be attacked by the Germans.


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[Assistant] Some gas had fallen which added to the pain and bleeding of the wounded.


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[Assistant] And prove to us that no hell in the hereafter could be greater than this man-made hell that we were enduring.


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[Assistant] Man, men began to go out of their heads, shell shocked if we could call it that, or just crazy from weakness, strain, suffering, and hungry, hunger, with all the death around them.


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[Assistant] It was near the breaking point for all of us who survived.


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[Assistant] We would ask ourselves, how can there be any more? But there was more and worse.


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[Assistant] The German artillery speeded up again. We knew that an attack was impending. Everywhere I looked were dead men.


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[Assistant] There seemed to be no live men around to man the guns.


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[Assistant] Here they come, was shouted along the line, and many of the nearly dead men rose up to man their guns behind the wall that had become almost a part of us.


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[Assistant] Wave after wave of Germans were coming through the pair, the pair orchard. Rifles, hand grenades and machine guns.


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[Assistant] But worst of all, the flamethrowers.


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[Assistant] I could see the men plainly. They had tanks on their backs and from the ends of their hoses came great masses of liquid fire shooting towards us at a distance of at least 50 yards. The smoke went far beyond us. We felt that the heat would burn us up.


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[Assistant] Every man able to fire concentrated upon the men who were operating the flamethrowers.


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[Assistant] Almost immediately they were put out of action. Their tanks perforated and each man's body a mass of flames. The flames leaped and shot into the air.


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[Assistant] Thus was the attack stopped by the Germans own diabolical weapon. They suffered far more than we.


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[Assistant] Never after that in the war did we encounter that type of flamethrower again. They were the real suicide squad.


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[Assistant] The men who operated those tanks were sure to suffer a terrible and quick death.


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[Assistant] It was a narrow escape. There were just a handful of us left. When we were relieved that night and staggered across the river, there were just 32 of us left.


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[Assistant] Our companies on the line were almost completely wiped out.


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[Assistant] And men like Bob Hoffman who met face to face with hell and evil and darkness that crushes youth and laughter.


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[Assistant] And he came back and really from my perspective through fitness, he led an incredible life and he ended up writing a book about it.


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[Assistant] And it was called how to be strong, healthy and happy.


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[Assistant] And that's a tall order. That's a tall order. Who doesn't want to be strong, healthy and happy?


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[Assistant] The book, some of it's dated, much of it isn't, but some of it's dated. But I-


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[Assistant] And I don't want to go deep into the book, but I do want to hit some highlights.


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[Assistant] From this book on how to be strong, healthy, and happy. Some things to think about.


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[Assistant] I'm just going to read some quotes from this. Physical training pays.


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[Assistant] I always say that any exercise is better than no exercise.


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[Assistant] And those folks out there that harass me on Twitter.


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[Assistant] Doc Parsley, constantly harassing me on Twitter, telling me to sleep more.


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[Assistant] This is what, this is what Bob Halfman had to say about sleep. There are different speeds of sleep.


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[Assistant] Some sleep faster than others, and can awake refreshed with a moderate number of hours of sleep, which would leave others tired and worn.


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[Assistant] Fast sleeping is a result of properly operating bodily functions of perf- perfect functioning of all organs.


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[Assistant] And it comes to, from accustoming the body to an hour or two less sleep.


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[Assistant] Many great men of history are reported to have slept only a fraction of the time that the average person spends sleeping.


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[Assistant] It was said that Thomas Edison, the world famous inventor, would sleep up four hours a night.


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[Assistant] But he had a cot in his laboratory on which he would lie and think and his assistants have reported he took naps during the day.


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[Assistant] Many men who are reported to sleep up four hours a night will make up for it with naps during daylight hours. So there you go, you're good to go.


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[Assistant] Talking to you, Echo. Tune in. What do you get? Nine hours? Ten hours? No.


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[Assistant] Regular eight, I think. Nice, nice. Sleep faster.


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[Assistant] Now, speaking of that, too much sleep is not a benefit.


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[Assistant] Rather, it is depressing, causes sluggishness and a state of lethargy.


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[Assistant] I like that. Too much sleep. Take that, take that Doc Parsley out there. But in all, you know Doc, you know Doc Parsley? He trains.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he's, he's, he's a doctor, but he's, he's done a lot of stuff with sleep and studying sleep and he's always given me a hard time. Cause sleep is good for you. I'm only kidding everybody. Sleep is definitely good for you. I should sleep more. I just have a hard time doing it. There's so much to be done in the world.


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[Assistant] Regardless of your age, you make it a rule to learn something new each day and to do something each day to improve yourself physically. So he's talking about mental and physical strength. He talks about learning stuff, memorizing stuff, doing math in your head. Just getting smarter. I believe we talk about that sometime.


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[Assistant] You can build yourself so that you obtain pleasure from overcoming, from defeating problems, apparently insurmountable difficulties.


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[Assistant] You can overcome all your difficulties and win. You will find the next encounter easier. You will have greater confidence in your own ability.


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[Assistant] Got problems? Good. Let's face it. And uh, actually, I forgot to mention this, but this book,


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[Assistant] I remember the last war I got from somebody on Twitter. And I'm sorry, hey everybody on Twitter, number one, I, I don't know if people want to be mentioned or not.


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[Assistant] And also when I transfer what people tell me to the document that I keep, it doesn't pull their names, so they're just lost.


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[Assistant] But usually people hit me up afterwards and say, yo, I gave you that book. So somebody recommended the book to me. I remember the last war. And once I started doing some research about Bob Hoffman and I saw he had another book that was literally called how to be strong, healthy and happy. I just ordered it immediately so I could see what he had to say about it all.


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[Assistant] Here's another quote. People who know nothing of the pleasures and advantages of having super strength and health often say what good are muscles? They say they have no use for them, that they are healthy.


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[Assistant] But they are only half alive in many cases, for they will never have felt the indescribable sense of power and wellbeing, the sense of superiority or capability that strong persons feel.


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[Assistant] Many youths have eliminated an inferiority complex by the growing knowledge of the power they possess by their physical ability or superiority over average persons. We might have to do an ego check here Bob on that one.


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[Assistant] But actually he's gonna ego check it right here himself. I do not mean by this that strong men should go around bullying others by demonstrating their strength.


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[Assistant] As an actual fact, the stronger and more capable a man, the less likely he is to make a show of his strength by hurting or fighting others.


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[Assistant] At this point, you and I were talking before the podcast started about how some people


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[Assistant] If they're a little bit insecure, but they want to be a tough guy, they, they, they gotta act like that. And when you're, then you're looking at them kind of like this guy must not be that tough cause he's gotta act this way. So they actually are getting less respect than they think they are.


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[Assistant] But if they actually had confidence in their situation, if they knew that they could handle themselves, they wouldn't be acting like that.


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[Assistant] Here's another little something to think about.


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[Assistant] Work hard and do the best you can, and if something happens, it can't be helped. Don't give up. Never cry over spilt milk. What is done is done. It can't be helped when it's too late. I survived some apparently overwhelming difficulties easily enough with this point of view. Sort of your basic. I mean no use crying over spilled milk.


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[Assistant] Here we go, a few more of these. If you want to live long and be healthy, strong and happy, acquire habits of activity right now.


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[Assistant] A few minutes to a half an hour with the weights will be best.


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[Assistant] If you find yourself going to the garage for your car to get to the grocery store, walk instead.


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[Assistant] Instead of lying down after a meal, find something to do.


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[Assistant] Don't pass the buck as they say in the army. Do it yourself if it involves muscular action. Clean off the snow, cut the grass, spade the garden.


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[Assistant] That's a good one. That's just a general rule.


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[Assistant] If you don't feel like something, because you're being lazy, just do it.


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[Assistant] Don't be lazy. The thing that you could do tomorrow, do it today. Do that thing today.


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[Assistant] The road to despair and unhappiness is paved with good intentions lost along the way.


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[Assistant] Just some old school knowledge right here. If our country was invaded and our young men were a lot of cream puffs, probably cowards,


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[Assistant] Through never having experienced hard work athletic competition or a good punch in the nose we would lose to the invaders lose our freedoms and Things worth more than life itself. So he's basically saying be harder tough


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[Assistant] Do things that make you tougher and better. Yes.


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[Assistant] Activity is life. Stagnation is death. In life there is movement.


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[Assistant] These are all well known truisms and exercise. Bringing healthful activity to every organ, gland and cell of the body keeps the entire body and mind radiantly alive.


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[Assistant] And with a feeling of pep energy and well-being that makes one so buoyant and alive that they feel like jumping and running. Oh, he's fired up.


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[Assistant] Exercise builds coordination, balance, control of the muscles. It builds speeds, judgment of time and space and distance. Makes the entire body more responsive to the will.


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[Assistant] And it teaches the body to do the right thing in times of danger, even before it is directed by the mind.


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[Assistant] Exercise is the best insurance against disease or sickness. Exercise builds confidence, for there is no road to supreme confidence as sure as the knowledge of one's physical and mental ability.


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[Assistant] It cultivates power of will, gives you complete mastery of your physical and mental self, promotes personal efficiency, and all desirable mental characteristics.


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[Assistant] Exercise improves the efficiency of every part of the body. It helps you sleep sounder and faster so that you have more time for work and pleasure. Makes it possible for you to earn more.


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[Assistant] Exercise makes it possible to live more.


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[Assistant] Exercise will only take one tenth of the time you now spend on foolish expenditures of time and energy.


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[Assistant] This is, this is funny because this is written in like 1930 something. Now you have time to sit around to read for entertainment


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[Assistant] Too often, true detective stories, other true stories, which do you know good?


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[Assistant] You know, add the interweb into that equation and social media and you've got no time in the day.


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[Assistant] So it's sure that you can find time for exercise to obtain much of what is worth in life. You must find time. Your health demands it.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna wrap it up, uh, right here with this, this one. But probably you have done as the majority do.


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[Assistant] Drifted along from day to day, promising yourself that you would start exercising tomorrow or next week or next month when the weather becomes cooler.


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[Assistant] Tomorrow comes, next week and next month, cool weather, and even next year comes and goes and you do nothing about it. After years of thinking about exercise but not acting,


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[Assistant] You find the firm, rounded, attractive muscles of your youth have changed into the weak and soft muscles of middle age.


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[Assistant] You take on a little excess flesh and make mental note some night when you gaze upon yourself in the mirror that you'll have to do something, cut down on starches or sweets to get more exercise. But you've developed an enormous appetite during these years and at best you refrain from eating sweets for a day or two.


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[Assistant] It seems that all the things you like are the best fat producers. You can't give them up.


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[Assistant] You notice you don't have endurance anymore. You get tired after you walked a block or two. Your wind isn't as good as it used to be. Remember last night how you puffed when you ran for the streetcar? Remember how you, how it made you blow to carry that empty trunk up to the attic? Your tailor pokes


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[Assistant] You good naturedly when he's fitting your suit and remarks that the fat is piling on and your waist is increasing by inches. These are all reasons why you should exercise.


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[Assistant] It's not too late now, it's never too late as long as you are able to be around to exercise and improve yourself physically.


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[Assistant] Men of all ages receive quick results from proper physical training.


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[Assistant] It's never too late to make corrections in your mode of living.


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[Assistant] That's cool, you can keep telling yourself that.


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[Assistant] No, you're right. You're right. You wanna have a good base. If you have a good base of being strong, it's gonna be easier for you than somebody, somebody that's never worked out before. Yes, that's a given. That being said,


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[Assistant] You are correct. The bottom line is both groups will benefit.


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[Assistant] You know though, I actually have a theory on this too, like, if you miss a workout, you can never make it up. It's gone.


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[Assistant] Like it's like it's gone. You can never make it because you work out the next day, but no, no, you missed the day that you, that was supposed to be a different workout.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna get that chance to work out again. And you know what? You're not gonna get a chance, anytime you waste any time in your life, guess what? It's gone.


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[Assistant] Sitting listening to radio shows or internet shows or watching TV. That's a waste. Don't waste it with that.


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[Assistant] But if you're sitting around, if you're, if you, oh yeaah, reality TV, just random social media stuff that's not helping you get any better.


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[Assistant] Sometimes if I miss something or if I am lazy about something, that, that...


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[Assistant] That pisses me off. And at the time I'll say, oh well, you know, I'll rationalize some excuses around it.


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[Assistant] Like, for instance, I don't get the opportunity, I mean, when I travel, like, for instance, when I travel, I barely, recently, I have not had time to do jujitsu when I'm traveling.


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[Assistant] So when I'm back here, I gotta just get it in, you know? And if I miss it when I'm in San Diego, I'm not happy. I'm angry at myself and I won't even let it happen.


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[Assistant] Rolling? It doesn't matter anymore, you're just dealing with the situation.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, there's no doubt. So you don't fall off? Having fun when you train is, is...


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[Assistant] I guess I was thinking more of like a Metcon scenario. Where you're wanting to puke. For a good example. And I've got, I've been just being frank with you.


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[Assistant] Yes. And furthermore, I will tell you this, if you get to know the feeling


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[Assistant] I'm going to feel good. And so that for me, that's why I'm, I think that's kind of why I'm doing hard workouts because I'm doing hard workouts because I know that at the end of it, I'm going to be like, yeah, I'm going to feel good. I'm going to feel fired up for the rest of the day. I'm going to feel like I did something.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna feel like a quality human being, like I didn't waste a little section of my life. I feel good.


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[Assistant] So when you know what that, it's the same thing with waking up in the morning. When you sleep in,


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[Assistant] That, that feels good at the moment, but then when you wake up, you're like, oh man, I just wasted part of my life.


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[Assistant] Whereas when you get up, even though it's hard, when you know how good it feels to be done with your workout that early in the morning, be like, yeah, I'm ready. You bring it, bring on the tasks.


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[Assistant] And now I think it's about time we go to the interwebs. Sure. But first you can actually support the podcast through the interwebs echo.


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[Assistant] We, we actually read the audio book too. So if you like the Jocko podcast, you're probably going to like hearing the extreme ownership read by us. It's about eight hours long. So it's like getting four podcasts, maybe even five podcasts. But yeah, you know, we've gotten some really,


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[Assistant] Because of the support people have shown the podcast and it's becoming more popular, we've been getting hammered by a bunch of people that want to sponsor us and we don't want a bunch of sponsors. In fact, we don't want any.


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[Assistant] The only thing we want is if there's things that can help people, help people get better, well then that's what we want. So on it.


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[Assistant] Gives you the supplements that you need, some of the gear that you need.


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[Assistant] So if you're driving, if you're doing yard work, if you're doing some, something that requires your hands and your eyes, you can just listen to a book on audible.com.


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[Assistant] Slash Jocko. And so that's another way to also then thereby support the podcast.


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[Assistant] No, eh, of course, uhm, you know, burning the candle at both ends, eventually it's gonna catch up with you. And for me, it's, can come in the form of too much travel, too much exercise.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I'll just be pressed at work, working with a bunch of different companies. Sometimes I'm writing and I'm trying to get a bunch of writing done.


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[Assistant] Sometimes I'm training so much jiu jitsu it's going crazy. So anyways, or a lot of times it's the combination of all these things going on at once because I'm trying to get a bunch done in a short amount of time and I end up


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[Assistant] I like to force myself to do it anyways. That is a reality. So if...


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[Assistant] Even if I'm, if I don't feel like working out, I'll be like, you know what, just go do a quick workout, an easy, an easier workout. Or I don't want to train jiu jitsu. We were talking about this earlier. Don't really feel like training.


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[Assistant] Formal work that I'm supposed to do, I'm just gonna go and do the work anyways. Now, if, if the next day...


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[Assistant] I still feel like I need a break. That's sort of my red flag to say, alright, you know what, you need a break. You need to take some time, time, relax, uhm, do some kind of active rest. I don't really like just kind of sitting around.


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[Assistant] I'll do something kind of active and probably eat some steaks. Plural.


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[Assistant] Trying to eat something really good, trying to eat, just try, you know I might, I might eat something really good, like steaks, and


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[Assistant] Maybe sleep, take an extra nap, try and feel better, do some kind of stretching to try and feel better. Just recover, just recover. So yes, I'm not superhuman like anybody else. Sometimes I get broken down, beaten up and I need some downtime and that's what I do. I try and rest, relax and eat some good food.


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[Assistant] That makes sense, I guess. And I just want to call us both out right now for being total.


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[Assistant] Cream puffs, I think is what Bob Hoffman said. Here we are talking about how we get burnt out on working out, training, filming. It's like Bob, Bob Hoffman was, you know, living in


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[Assistant] To go get better physically? Oh, I think I'm gonna go ahead and do that. I'm not gonna sit there and say, I'm burned out on training. No.


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[Assistant] I don't think we have an excuse to be burnout on the pleasurable things we get to do in life. Let's suck it up and just drive on. I'm changing my answer. How's that?


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[Assistant] And Jujitsu is actually rooted in Judo and I guess originally Judo was rooted in Jujitsu.


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[Assistant] And there's some connections, I mean, Maeda from Japan, he taught Judo.


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[Assistant] To Carlos Gracie in Brazil, which was then learned by Elio Gracie, who then morphed it into what we consider now to be Brazilian or Gracie Jiu Jitsu.


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[Assistant] But you can see clearly if you look at Judo, that Jujitsu exists inside, I mean Brazilian Jujitsu exists inside of Judo, there's no doubt about it. But there are some things about Judo that have morphed it into a different direction. Number one, in Judo, if you throw somebody,


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[Assistant] And anything touch the ground before their feet, you win automatically. You can also pin people in judo. If you hold them down for I think 20 seconds.


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[Assistant] Then the match is over and you win both of those. So what that does is now you can imagine if you get thrown, okay, you win. If you're on the ground with your back down for 20 seconds, you win. So what does that do? It eliminates a part of fighting.


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[Assistant] Is very important. And in, there are really two pieces of judo.


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[Assistant] One of them is called randori, which is basically rolling. And the other one is nuwaza, which is groundwork. And those two are directly correlated or part of jujitsu.


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[Assistant] But Jujitsu, bottom line, in both these, if you don't know anything about these two, Jujitsu allows the fight to go on, even after you get thrown.


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[Assistant] And it allows the fight. You can't, there's no pinning in jiu-jitsu. You are allowed to fight and continue to fight until the match is over.


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[Assistant] And you can recover from being pinned, just like you can recover from being thrown.


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[Assistant] And it doesn't really matter. I mean today, we were training today and we got some good judo players. Keeling was, you know, judo Keeling.


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[Assistant] And he, he tossed, he tossed Andy, Big Andy. And I mean, cause he's better at judo and he tossed him and it was legit. Then Andy ended up getting out of that position and getting in a better position. And so the fight wasn't over just cause he got thrown. And so that's, that's one of the big benefits of


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[Assistant] Jiu-jitsu is that you will generally learn better ground game.


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[Assistant] And, but judo, you will definitely have better takedowns. I mean a judo player is going to have better takedowns than a jiu-jitsu player. And I'll tell you, if we're just going to start ranking things, you got to throw wrestling out there because wrestling has possibly better takedowns than judo.


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[Assistant] With the gi, sure, judo has an advantage, but if you don't know this, in 2010 they actually banned.


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[Assistant] The double leg takedown from judo competitions in the whole world. Why? Because wrestlers came in and started double legging people. Just hitting double legs.


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[Assistant] Yes, I would say Judo is an awesome martial art. It really in some ways could be considered the precursor to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Even though Judo itself is, comes from actual Japanese Jiu-Jitsu.


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[Assistant] But I would say if you're gonna, if you got the opportunity to learn Judo, yeaah, learn it. Learn, especially, you know, you'll learn the takedowns and those are great things to have. In real life, they're great things to have. In, in self-defense situations to be able to take someone down with Judo throws is awesome. In Jiu Jitsu competitions, if you're a Judo player in Jiu Jitsu competitions,


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[Assistant] You're gonna, you're gonna get the takedown with, when it's a gi. Competitive unless you're going against a really good wrestler. So.


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[Assistant] Good thing to augment jujitsu with, but I would say you would want to make jujitsu your main focus.


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[Assistant] But no, even if you're really good at it, you don't want to be pulling people on top of you in a street fight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true. There is, there is some validity to the epon in that if you were in a street fight and you got thrown and land and the person puts you down in a bad way. I mean, you're still, it's, it's like, it's not like you're going to get knocked out


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[Assistant] 100% of the time, probably not even 50% of the time, but there is a, there is a chance that getting thrown upon style in a street fight.


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[Assistant] I mean, you go, go pull up some judo videos of people getting tossed at bone style even in the, in the high levels. Some of those guys, if they landed on the street, they would be injured. Not all the time. And you do learn to, you learn to fall in judo. You learn how to break your fall.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, some of those would be devastating if they happened to you in the street. So that's why Ipone does have some validity to it. That if you toss someone super hard and they landed on their back or on their head, on the street, on concrete,


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[Assistant] They would be severe, they would be, it could be a fight ender. But, but it's not going to be a fight ender. That's the problem. It's not going to be a fight ender. It's possible that it ends a fight. Just like, uh, a left hook is possibly a fight ender, but it's not guaranteed to end a fight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure you should know, for sure. I, yes, learn judo.


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[Assistant] Learn Jiu-Jitsu. Jiu-Jitsu is the most complicated. Learn it first. Spend the most time on it. Learn to strike too. Muay Thai. Boxing. Saying this for the millionth time.


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[Assistant] Although I actually do sometimes leave judo out. Not intentionally, but just, I just do.


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[Assistant] Do you usually have less of a price to pay on a judo throw than you do on a wrestling?


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[Assistant] I'll, I'll, I'll give that to you with like a small percentage of agreement, not a full.


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[Assistant] Because you look at Greco guys, Greco Roman wrestlers. Now they're not grabbing your leg. Now they're not shooting on you anymore. And believe me, you're getting tossed. You train with a good Greco guy. They're not grabbing your legs at all. They're not even shooting.


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[Assistant] And they don't have to grab the gi to do it. So Greco, that's, you know, Greco is awesome.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's, it's, it's a less, it's somewhere in between jiu jitsu and wrestling. Yeaah. Is the exertion. Yeaah. Generally. Generally. Yeaah. We're making a lot of generalities. Please don't, uh, go crazy because of some generalities that Echo made. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And I, I tell this whenever I work with a company and they start talking about, well, you know, this guy's late for meetings sometimes. I always tell them that I was in the military for 20 years and I was literally never late. I was literally never late one time.


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[Assistant] We would, you know, we would show up at work in the morning so early that even if the worst case scenario, my, I got T-boned on the way to work, I would still be able to get insurance, get everything covered, get a cab and still show up and be an hour early.


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[Assistant] You should be, you're right in the fact that being on time is definitely very, very important. So people shouldn't be late. So now,


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[Assistant] With this individual, you got someone that's showing up late for work, you got it like any other leadership challenge, what I would attack is making sure they understand why.


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[Assistant] Why is it important? Some people never make the connection as to why being on time is important. So,


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[Assistant] You gotta explain to them why it's important. You gotta explain to them that's basic respect for other people's time. That it's basic.


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[Assistant] Operational readiness is to follow a timeline that it's about being prepared, that it's about showing your reliability and your professionalism to, to other people that you're working with inside and outside of your company. And even Sun Tzu, Sun Tzu, and I didn't say this during the,


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[Assistant] During the podcast that we did about Sun Tzu, and I can't believe I didn't say it.


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[Assistant] Because I always believe in waking up early and being early. And Sun Tzu said that he who is waiting on the battlefield.


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[Assistant] Is gonna win and who he was rushing late to the battlefield is gonna lose. Well, that's the way your life is too. And if you're rushing and you things are disorganized and you're running late, it's horrible.


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[Assistant] But if you wake up early and you show up early and you're ready and you're prepared and you're waiting on the battlefield, you're going to win. That's all there is to it. So those are the important things that you have to explain to your employee.


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[Assistant] So that they understand why being late isn't unacceptable and why being on time is the standard that needs to be maintained.


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[Assistant] Some people, it's a horrible habit that some people have of being late. It's a horrible habit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. It shows lack of being on time shows a total disrespect for other people's time and it shows a lack of reliability on your part. So these are the kind of things you got to explain to your subordinates or explain to this person that's being


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[Assistant] Let's get them to understand how being late.


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[Assistant] Affects everybody else and affects their own reputation as a performer.


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[Assistant] So this one, this is something that can be hard for people to understand.


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[Assistant] Yes, the SEAL Teams was my number one priority over my family, over my wife, over my kids, over my own life. Over everything.


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[Assistant] And just FYI, I literally told my wife that before we got married multiple times on the way to the chapel or to the San Diego courthouse to get married on the way there on the bridge driving from Coronado to San Diego. I said, Hey, listen, I just want to give you one last chance.


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[Assistant] Being a seal is not just what I do, it's who I am and you are not going to change me. So don't think that I'm going to change. And she was like, oh, I know, I know what you are. You still want to do this? Yes, let's go do it.


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[Assistant] What was good was, to her credit, she didn't try and challenge that. She didn't try and fight that. She...


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[Assistant] Gave that to me. She understood it, and it's probably one of the reasons why we stayed married. For so long.


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[Assistant] And a lot, I mean, to Seal Teams, if you don't know, this has about a 90% divorce rate. It's an astronomical divorce rate.


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[Assistant] And the reason, a lot of it, is because the guys are so dedicated to the SEAL teams that everything else starts taking a...


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[Assistant] A second, a backseat. Now, I think that my wife actually saw that I was loyal and I was dedicated to the SEAL teams and therefore she saw that as something that was positive and something that would transfer over to other parts of my life including my family.


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[Assistant] To answer more on this guy's question, I want to think about this. Being a SEAL.


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[Assistant] The best thing I could do for my family was be dedicated to my job.


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[Assistant] It was the best thing I could do for the other seals I worked with. It was the best thing I could do for myself and for my family was to be the best seal possible. Why? Because we're going into combat.


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[Assistant] And if I want to come home alive to my family and I want my brothers to come home alive to their families, the best thing we could possibly do for our families is to be totally dedicated to the job so that we're ready, we're prepared, and we can bring each other back.


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[Assistant] I, that's the way it is, and I would stand by that to this day.


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[Assistant] And it actually does transfer in many cases to normal civilian careers because being


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[Assistant] Being more successful in your job. And if you're more successful in your job, you have more financial stability, right? If you have more financial stability, I mean, how many fights in families take place because of finances? I mean, I think that's probably the leading cause of problems in families is there's a, there's financial strain. And so,


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[Assistant] I think that it does translate somewhat to people in their normal careers, even if they're not SEALs, even if they're not preparing for war, that they're trying to do a good job, they're being dedicated to their jobs so that they can


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[Assistant] Working for somebody directly and they're over you and they're demanding. Now all of a sudden you get a little bit more freedom. You can, you can dictate what happens in your life more. So that's important as well. And also on top of all that,


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[Assistant] Guess what? The way you act and the way you carry yourself


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[Assistant] You are actually teaching your family and your children something.


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[Assistant] Now, if you're a warrior, if you're a military guy, if you're, then you're, your children, guess what?


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[Assistant] Warriors have been going away to war for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. And people have been just fine from that.


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[Assistant] The men have been raised by their moms because their dad was gone away to war. That's the way it is. So I think that that's okay.


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[Assistant] It doesn't mean that the warrior doesn't love his family, he does. But he's got a job to do and he's gonna go do it.


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[Assistant] And also if, again, if you apply that to a normal civilian situation,


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[Assistant] If your children see that you are dedicated, that you are hard working, that you are, uh, loyal,


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[Assistant] That's a positive example that you're setting for your kids. Now of course,


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[Assistant] They shouldn't be thinking, and I never came home to my kids and said, Hey look, you're number two on the list of priorities around here.


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[Assistant] Now I might have said, listen, I've got a job to do. I've got guys that are depending on me.


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[Assistant] We're going to combat. Bad things can happen. I need to be ready and I need to be ready for my guys. And I need to be ready for you.


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[Assistant] So I don't think you need to throw it in people's face and say, no, you're the number two priority. But your family should understand that you're working hard for them. You're building their future. You're building, you're building a legacy for your family. That's what you're doing when you're working hard. At any job. So I think that's a good, I think that's a good example to set. And I think that there's nothing wrong with that example. Now,


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[Assistant] Where people can go too far, which of course they can.


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[Assistant] They can do it in the military, they can do it in their civilian career, where the job becomes not just a short term, uhm, priority. Because I will say this, my long term priority was my family.


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[Assistant] Right? That was the long-term priority. I mean, I had these, you know, my wife and kids, I'm going to raise them. They're going to be with me forever. That's what I'm doing with my life. So the long-term priority is definitely the family.


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[Assistant] But the short term priority, and by short term, I'm talking years, right? Two years, five years, three years. That's a long, that's a short term priority compared to your family, which is going to be with you until you die.


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[Assistant] And so I think you need to keep that in mind and make sure that you're not sacrificing things long term.


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[Assistant] In other words, if you're going to destroy your marriage because you're working so hard, you got problems. If you're going to destroy your marriage because you're dedicated too much to your job, that's not, that's not supporting the long-term strategy of taking care of your family.


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[Assistant] So that's sort of where I come out on that. And again, tons of credit to my, to my wife and my kids who were, you know, I was gone all the time and they dealt with it. And guess what? I'm gone a lot too now. I'm traveling all the time. And again, they all know that, Hey, I'd love to be staying home with them, but


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[Assistant] I've gotta take care of the family. I've gotta support the family. I've gotta maintain


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[Assistant] My situation so that I can take care of them if something bad were to happen. And I think they understand that.


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[Assistant] That was the worst. We're your family. That's the worst is like, I'm not coming home.


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[Assistant] Like, oh, I'm done with work and the SEAL teams, I'm done with work, but I'm going to the bar with the guys and I'll be home at midnight or one o'clock in the morning or two o'clock in the morning. And guess what? My wife actually understood that. She actually understood that, hey,


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[Assistant] These guys are a team, these guys are a family of their own right, and...


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[Assistant] I gotta let him go and develop and hang out with his friends because he's gotta know these guys better than anybody in the world.


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[Assistant] That's a hard thing for, uh, for some people to handle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and really I would say one thing that's awesome about my wife is I would say, oh yeah, sorry I didn't come home. I was going out with the boys. And she was independent enough.


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[Assistant] And secure enough and confident enough.


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[Assistant] That she was like, oh, okay, whatever. Hey, I'm going to do this. Most of the time.


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[Assistant] There were sometimes flowers were bought, things were, things were rebuilt, uh, you know, cause, you know, it's, uh, it's life.


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[Assistant] A lot of military, I've been talking to a lot of military people that listen to the podcast. Spouses and.


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[Assistant] Service members? And so yeaah, guess what?


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[Assistant] Give your service member some room to form those bonds, to be dedicated to that job because they are truly doing it for you. They really are. They're doing it for you. And now service members, as Echo just said, don't abuse the privilege. Don't abuse it. Do what you got to do.


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[Assistant] Be the best you can be at your job. Bond with your brothers in arms that you're going on the battlefield with.


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[Assistant] Whether you're a cop, whether you're a firefighter, build those bonds.


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[Assistant] But of course, don't abuse it and make sure you take care of your family too.


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[Assistant] You can't lead them in the traditional sense.


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[Assistant] You have to be indirect, meaning you can't say, hey, you need to do this.


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[Assistant] And the best way to do that with people that do not want to be led is to let them lead. Put the, put them.


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[Assistant] In a leadership role. Say hey, you know what? You're really good at this. I think you got a good vision here. Can you, can you run this? Can you lead this?


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[Assistant] And then, once they're in a leadership role, then you can make suggestions and you can subtly steer them as they lead. But an important point is that you actually have to be ready to let them lead.


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[Assistant] You know, or make sure that they're being profitable. Make sure they're not doing anything illegal or egregious in what they're doing. But you have to let them lead. You have to let them make decisions.


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[Assistant] And so that, that is my first suggestion is to put them in a leadership role. Now, if there's no way to put them in a leadership role.


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[Assistant] And again, you can make little course corrections along the way, but you need to let them lead.


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[Assistant] Now, one of the hardest parts of both these situations is guess what? Your ego. Because guess what? You wanna be the leader.


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[Assistant] You are offended by someone that doesn't want to be led. Like, well, why aren't they listening to me? I am awesome. I am the leader. I'm in charge. I outrank them. Why aren't they listening to me? All those are little insecurities that you have.


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[Assistant] About your own leadership capabilities. Don't let it happen.


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[Assistant] I was never offended by subordinates that I had that wanted to lead more.


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[Assistant] I wanted them to be able to take my job from me. That's what I wanted.


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[Assistant] If they're doing that, good. I can look upwards and outwards and I can focus on other things. Good. Come and take my job. Be good enough to take my job.


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[Assistant] And if I ever said to myself, well, I can't believe this guy's trying to step up and take my job, I realized, oh my god, I'm being insecure. I need to put my own ego in check, cause you know what?


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[Assistant] If they can step up and do my job, good. I'll step up and do the next person's job. So when somebody


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[Assistant] I like it. Good job Twitter. That's awesome. Good, good solid question though. Yeaah. That's one you hear a lot.


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[Assistant] Have a big ego, or maybe they know more than you, maybe they are more experienced than you, maybe they really do know more than you.


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[Assistant] And they're bummed or angry because you've been promoted above them.


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[Assistant] And so, you know, I'm not going to support your plan and I'm not going to do what you tell me to do and I'm gonna have my own way of doing things.


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[Assistant] That's what's gonna happen. So don't let that happen. All you gotta do is say hey listen man.


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[Assistant] Really respect what you've done. You've been doing, you've been doing this longer than I have. You know what? Can you, can you run with this? Can you plan this? Can you execute this? That'd be awesome.


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[Assistant] Now do they think, oh that's right, he's an idiot, he doesn't know what he's doing. No, not when you do it right. Not when you say, hey, you have more experience than me. I would really like you to lead this instead of me. How's that sound? You can only pull that off if you're secure in your own leadership.


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[Assistant] I remember the last war and he wrote the book, How to Be Strong, Healthy and Happy.


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[Assistant] And there's no doubt that physical fitness is going to help you in every facet of life.


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[Assistant] Especially in terms of what you're talking about, empowering the mind and the will. Working out is a test of will.


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[Assistant] Right? I mean it is gonna see, can you push yourself harder? Can you get the last rep? Can you shave another second off the sprint? Can you lift a little bit heavier? That's...


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[Assistant] That's what working out is. It's a test of will. And that test of will, and you've heard me say this before, starts before the workout starts, it starts when the alarm goes off. Can you get out of bed in the morning? These are all little tests of discipline and of will.


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[Assistant] As we've talked about before, discipline begets more discipline. The stronger you get, the stronger you get.


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[Assistant] In physical will that it takes to get through these workouts that it takes to get out of bed in the morning, that carries over to mental will. So you can eat better food, so you can get work done, so you can control your temper.


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[Assistant] So you can create things and improve things and you can be better. Now, I remember a while ago, speaking of Twitter.


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[Assistant] I posted a picture of early morning workout. I got done.


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[Assistant] And then I posted a picture of a little, the post surf session.


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[Assistant] And then I posted a picture of post jujitsu session and you know, so these were all like three posts in a row.


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[Assistant] And someone made some kind of a comment that was kind of along the lines of, oh, must be rough.


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[Assistant] Right, must be a rough life. You know, you're getting up, you're just surfing and doing jujitsu and...


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[Assistant] And honestly, when I saw that, when someone wrote that, I kinda felt bad. I kinda felt...


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[Assistant] Because here I am, I'm going surfing, I'm working out, I'm training jiu-jitsu, I'm kind of living the dream, or in fact, in my mind, I actually am living my dream.


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[Assistant] Doing what I want to do when I want to do it. And then there's other people out there that are grinding, that are either overseas, that are in combat, that are working, that are doing jobs that they don't like.


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[Assistant] Working with people that they can't stand in a cubicle somewhere or whatever is it doing in here I was almost I felt like damn I'm rubbing this in people's faces.


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[Assistant] And I actually felt bad and I was like, I can't be doing that again. And someone else on Twitter came on the same thread or whatever.


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[Assistant] They made a great point. The reason I'm able to go surfing and do jiu jitsu and work out and do whatever is because of discipline throughout my life. And again, I'm not making no claims right now.


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[Assistant] To be the ultimate success story. I'm certainly not. And I will tell you this, you know, I live in a great place right now. There was a time


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[Assistant] Where my wife and I wanted to live down by the beach, we bought a house down by the beach, a dump that was barely livable and


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[Assistant] It was 850 square feet, and we had three kids in there, and my wife and I, our bedroom, our bed,


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[Assistant] When you opened the front door to the house and walked into the living room, our bed was on the floor right there.


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[Assistant] For a few years, we just lived there, and now we live in a great house. But, I have to remind people, like, you know what?


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[Assistant] There was a time where I just was sucking it up and living on Navy pay and we squeezed into this house and borrowed a bunch of money and lived on the floor in the living room.


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[Assistant] But we had that discipline back then, and then the discipline eventually


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[Assistant] And so it wasn't always like this where I was just chilling and surfing and doing jujitsu and playing guitar and whatever, you know, there was a lot of blood, sweat and tears along the way. And I, and, and by the way, the blood, sweat and tears along the way, I actually enjoyed, I enjoyed, I wouldn't trade it. I'm glad that I was putting those situations to do those things. And most importantly, this,


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[Assistant] But it's there, and you can get to it, and the path.


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[Assistant] The path getting there starts early in the morning and it ends late at night and it requires sacrifice and discipline and it requires force of will. And that comes at four 30 in the morning when the alarm goes off, that's when it comes. So get up and go get it. And that's why I think that.


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[Assistant] The idea of physical fitness, empowering the mind and the will.


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[Assistant] I think that's what happens when you commit to those things. I think the rest of your life will reflect positively on what you've done. And guess what? I've been real lucky too. You know, I've been very lucky along the way.


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[Assistant] And I won't, I won't say that, uh, you know, I made everything happen myself. I got lucky. I was blessed in a lot of situations and had good things happen. I mean, for instance, the housing market crashed.


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[Assistant] And I was in the Navy. It didn't matter to me. I mean, I had a couple houses and I was like, Oh, I didn't even notice there was a housing market crash until I was buying more houses and they were cheaper. You know, it, but it wasn't, that was luck. Didn't plan that. It was, it might've been a longterm strategy. Hey, I want to buy houses, but.


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[Assistant] You know, a lot of people got caught upside down in some rough situations in the housing market and I was lucky in the fact that I hadn't overextended myself.


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[Assistant] That's a situation, again, I'm just trying to point out that I know I've been lucky in, in, in some of it. Uhm, but, let's make our luck with some hard work. For sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was cool that uh, that was cool that somebody actually had to point that out to me.


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[Assistant] When I read it, I was like, damn, they're making a very good point.


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[Assistant] And you know, I tell you, if I would have had more discipline throughout my life, I'd be in an even better situation than I am right now. Like, I look back and say, man, what did I do this for? What did I do that for? And that's one thing that, as,


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[Assistant] Now, when people talk to me and ask me questions, I'm trying to tell them what mistakes I made.


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[Assistant] Things that I did wrong, things that I did that were stupid, so that they can say, oh, okay, cause,


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[Assistant] The opportunities are out there. You know, the opportunities are out there to make good things happen in your life. But you're gonna have, they're not gonna, they're not gonna show up at your doorstep. They're not coming to your doorstep. I'm gonna go ahead and tell everybody that right now. You have to go out and make them happen. You have to go out and take them.


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[Assistant] Because they're not going to come knocking on your door. The good deal is not coming to your door. Not happening.


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[Assistant] Unless, I mean, there's things that could be so inspiring, I guess, some artwork or some art form or some film or movie or show that could be so inspiring to you, but if it's not inspiring to you, it's not, it's not forcing you to get out and make something more of yourself or create something more that is probably not worth your while, to be quite honest with you.


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[Assistant] You only have so much time and if you miss a workout.


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[Assistant] If you miss a moment with your family, if you, whatever you're missing, is it worth it?


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[Assistant] You're letting it go away. You only got that day is only going to go by one time.


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[Assistant] Yeah it is, cause it's such a big, you know, you have a lot, a long time on this earth if you, if you just sit back and go day to day, then wasting a few hours watching a TV program maybe doesn't seem like a big deal when you add all those hours up and you subtract them from the actual time that you got here man, don't let it go to waste.


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[Assistant] A similar question to that the other day, something along the lines of, how can it be good when you lose a loved one?


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[Assistant] Throughout my life, the memories of them, the experiences, the fun, their unique personalities and everything they'd given me.


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[Assistant] What their life taught me and what their death taught me. The mark.


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[Assistant] The mark they had left on me, and I realized.


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[Assistant] First of all, I was lucky to have that person in my life.


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[Assistant] They were all unique and I'm thankful.


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[Assistant] Thankful for that morning and thankful for the opportunity to go out into the world and live.


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[Assistant] For those that don't have the opportunity, for those that were stolen away.


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[Assistant] To everyone out there, thank you for embracing us and listening to what we have to say and supporting what we are doing. Echo, what's the best way to support the podcast?


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[Assistant] Stop watching TV programs. Get yourself smarter. Go to audible.com slash Jocko.


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[Assistant] We just need your support. So just go to audible.com slash Jaco and support yourself.


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[Assistant] And as always, if you want to continue this conversations or ask questions or give us feedback, you can find us on the interwebs on Twitter.


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[Assistant] Echo Charles is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink.


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[Assistant] We are also on Facebook and on Instagram. And you know, this


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[Assistant] Has been a pretty cool experience so far. And last week, this little podcast,


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[Assistant] Broke into the top 20 on iTunes, which was pretty cool of all podcasts. And that's kind of crazy to see. And it's because of you.


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[Assistant] Because of you out there listening, reviewing, telling people to check it out, spreading the word. It's you.


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[Assistant] You are responsible for all this, your questions, your support.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 44 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] Sure. We did not get to the Q&A. And that's one of the nice things about having a podcast, having a forum.


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[Assistant] That we actually own and can do whatever we want with. If it goes long, that's cool. We'll just let it go long. We can go down that road.


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[Assistant] Some people might say, oh, you went too far down that road. Okay. That's fine. Press stop. You can go proceed somewhere else. Some people say,


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[Assistant] I wish you would have gone further down that road. So...


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[Assistant] We're just kind of going off of instinct here. What to me? Like, okay, I think we went far enough down that road. We're good there. But we did not get to Q&A. And so...


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[Assistant] That's what we're gonna do today. Do some Q&A. Questions from the interwebs.


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[Assistant] Is always good. A lot of people, tons of questions, definitely appreciate all the questions that are coming through. And I'm, I apologize, I can't get to all of them. I will say this, I've talked to some, some troopers out in the field. And they're, they're, they're like, we know what you're gonna say. Like when a question comes, which is awesome.


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[Assistant] It's cool that people are starting to understand I think the...


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[Assistant] The holistic mindset that's going on here and that's very positive to me. Now,


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[Assistant] That being said, there's always questions that come through. Sometimes even I go, okay, let me think about that one.


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[Assistant] And some of them are really obvious. I got on, you know, I got on, uh, on Twitter the other day. Somebody asked me, somebody said, hey, what have you learned about people or about humans since you, you know, kind of entered the world of social media on a large scale? And I wrote back that I've figured out that humans


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[Assistant] Because sometimes people just ask me, you know, just a question that you could Google faster. They'll ask me about a, you know, just some quote.


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[Assistant] Not one of my quotes, but a Shakespeare quote. Or a book.


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[Assistant] Or a military unit, you know? Uhm, man, man, google that. Don't ask me.


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[Assistant] If you want to ask me a specific question that I might know something, that's cool. That's awesome. I'm more than happy to answer. Also, I get asked 12 times a day, what time do you go to sleep at night?


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[Assistant] I just read 11. And people aren't laughing about that. Anyways, we do get some awesome questions from the interwebs as well. And the other thing that's cool about answering questions from the interwebs is it does make me think about that specific


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[Assistant] I can answer with a little more authority because I've seen it before. Yeah. That makes it.


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[Assistant] Better. So basically what I'm saying is when I get forced to answer questions, I am learning. Just like when I'm reading a book, I'm learning. When I'm answering a question, I'm learning.


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[Assistant] When you teach a moving jujitsu, you get better at that move, no doubt about it. And that, that's why it is beneficial for me and I appreciate all these questions that everybody asks me because they make me smarter. So, alright, rock and roll.


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[Assistant] We had these questions prepared for, to answer on the tail end of 43. And I will say this, people want to know what's in my mindset about things. You know, what am I thinking? Here's one thing, and you might notice this pattern. If you, if you pay attention, close attention to the podcast, you might notice there's a pattern that usually after these crazy dark books,


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[Assistant] Right. I usually roll that first question in the question and answer period.


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[Assistant] Intensity generally of a combat situation from a book into, alright, now we can take a wrap off and we can talk about jujitsu. Yup. I like that.


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[Assistant] So BJJ training and you're worried about injuries. That makes sense. Actually, I've got some, I've got to ask this question a few times. People that rely on their hands to work. Uh, one guy's a professional, actually two guys were professional guitarists.


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[Assistant] Anybody that has a job that relies on a lot of physicality, you, you are at risk because you're, you know, you're doing a sport. No, injuries absolutely happen in jujitsu. It, it is a contact sport and you can get injured while you're doing it.


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[Assistant] You can get injured in any sport that you do. Any sport that you do. The worst, I hurt my knee. I had 80% tear on my MCL.


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[Assistant] So you have to be careful, right? And I think one of the best, one of the most critical ways to be careful in Jiu Jitsu is by making sure that you're picking the right training partners. Because there's some knucklehead training partners at every gym and they're a 20,


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[Assistant] 22 year old male, uh, who has a lot of testosterone and has a very sensitive ego. And so he's looking just to crush everyone. So you gotta watch out for that guy. And actually I shouldn't, I shouldn't actually


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[Assistant] Paint that so broad brush because there's plenty of people that are.


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[Assistant] That are older people with a big ego and younger people. There's people, there's just basically you gotta watch out for these knuckleheads that are gonna go crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, you're right. They're not intentionally being aggressive, but Jiu Jitsu is an aggressive sport, and if you happen to be 260 pounds, that can be problematic.


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[Assistant] You're a problem. Right. Or you're a bully. And there needs to be a


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[Assistant] Regulatory situation happening, in which case a black belt is not gonna, you know.


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[Assistant] I-I-I agree with you. Now, another piece of this, and I-I, this is just a reality, okay?


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[Assistant] Doing stand up, you have a higher chance of getting hurt.


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[Assistant] Like doing takedowns, going hard takedowns, either judo style takedowns or wrestling style takedowns, you have a higher chance of getting a knee injury or an ankle injury. There's no doubt about it. So be careful. Just think about what you're doing there.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're a person that's, you know, you gotta learn some basic takedowns. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] Do you need to out wrestle somebody in a wrestling situation? Probably not. You know, you're not going to need to do that.


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[Assistant] Use caution with takedowns. Uhm, make sure you know how to do them, but as you get to where you want to not get injured is your point of your primary


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[Assistant] Thoughts in training, then just be careful to stand up. Uhm, obviously do a good warm up and this is something I'm just the worst, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm a perpetrator of not warming up well. I like to warm up by rolling. So, uh, and actually now I do usually do one round where I'm just kind of chilling and just kind of rolling flow. But I used to not even do that. I used to just like clap hands and go. So don't do that. Obviously keep your ego in check. And I'll tell you another thing. I was talking about this with Greg Train the other day. Cause Greg Train popped his rib.


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[Assistant] He was just saying to me, his ribs recovered now, but he was saying to me,


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[Assistant] You know, he's like, I think you don't get injured because you work out all the time. And I'm like, I agree with you a hundred percent. So I believe that you should work out on a regular basis. Somebody just asked me, do you train and lift on the same days? Yeah, absolutely. I train and lift. I train and lift every day.


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[Assistant] Get your workout program going on. You know, make sure you maintain that. Some people, when they start doing jujitsu, they're going so crazy.


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[Assistant] That they use all this muscle, and so they go like, I'm not gonna work out, cause I'm just getting a workout. No, wrong answer. Keep working out. A matter of fact, you should, and I always encourage working out, lifting, doing your metcon, doing whatever, before you do jujitsu.


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[Assistant] That's what I do. I want to be tired when I show up to Jiu Jitsu and fight in a worse scenario. You know, make it harder for myself. I don't want to show up and


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[Assistant] And be all fresh and like that's gonna happen every day. No, I like to be tired. Worn out.


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[Assistant] Stressed system and then show up and still get after it on the mats.


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[Assistant] Do you work out after? You lift weights after you train jiu jitsu? I've done both. Okay, what do you do normally?


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[Assistant] As much as you can work on your flexibility. And this is something that I, again, this is a big fail area in my book. I'm not flexible as I should be. And if you are more flexible, your injury levels are going to go down. So, you know, stretch and it's real easy stuff that, you know, everyone


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[Assistant] Just stretch while you're sitting around while you're working on your computer sitting away that you're getting some kind of stretch. So, so stretch and be flexible as much as you can. Now another thing I kind of talked about guitarists and anybody, you know, a surgeon, anybody that's


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[Assistant] Working with their hands and wants to protect their fingers. I would recommend


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[Assistant] Maybe emphasizing more no-gi when you're not grabbing onto that gi all the time. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's fairly common, uhm, I actually, my worst finger injury was actually no-gee, so that's, and I only did it a couple months ago, which is just, and it was just a bizarre, you know, it's a bizarre incident, I, it was one of those things, so, that's why,


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[Assistant] It's really hard for me to just straight up encourage somebody that needs their fingers. Like, no, no, don't worry, you're not gonna get, no, no, no, you can't get her. Now, I've had one finger injury.


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[Assistant] You know, significant finger injury in 20 plus years. So, you can get a finger injury cutting the carrots on the, you know, in the kitchen. So, you know, you gotta be careful.


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[Assistant] But there's no guarantee that you're not going to hurt. And I'll tell you, and the other thing is, I will say this.


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[Assistant] You got some chance of getting injured, right? But there's also some massive...


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[Assistant] The injuries, the perceived injuries or the possible injuries that you might get. So you're just gonna be healthier. Your fingers are gonna be stronger. I mean, yeaah, you might get some injured fingers, uh, but you are also gonna have fingers that are stronger. Your grip is gonna be stronger.


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[Assistant] So that's beneficial. Your mind is going to be stronger. Your cardiovascular system is going to be stronger. So there's a lot of benefits.


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[Assistant] To jujitsu that outweigh in my mind the possibility of having an injury.


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[Assistant] I mean, the possibility of having a catastrophic injury is pretty small, especially if you train smart. It really is.


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[Assistant] Well, if you count, it depends what you count as a major injury. But.


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[Assistant] You know, if you blow out your knee, that means you're gonna be down, you're gonna be six months of surgery or whatever. Surgery and six months of rehab and then another three months before you can try. That's, you know, that's a year.


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[Assistant] And that could be, some people consider that catastrophic injury. I know I would be devastated, but at the same time, you know, I got neck surgery. I was out for a bit. Don't even remember it now. Flash in the pan, who cares, whatever. Deal with it. I played more guitar during that time. You know what I mean? Good times.


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[Assistant] It is, when you consider what the objective of the sport is to break and destroy people's limbs, the fact that it rarely happens, it just rarely happens. So, yes, be careful, there's no guarantees, but train.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just, you know what, hey, sorry, I only roll with people under 130 because I have a, you know, uh, injured rib. Yeah. And there you go. Just, just, is that a white lie? Maybe it is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it might be okay to say, oh, sorry, uhm, I'm here with Billy over there and, and so I can't dance with you. And that's actually gonna make you feel better than just say, hey, you know what, actually, I don't like you.


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[Assistant] You kinda disgust me, so I'm not dancing with you, walk away. Is it necessary to do that? Probably not. Maybe the little white lie is okay. Again, Sam Harris, apologize. We're encouraging lying.


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[Assistant] So actually we're, we're actually talking about that while you are...


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[Assistant] Sometimes you should train with someone that's really spaz and harder and bigger than you. You should do that sometimes. Now,


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you're a blue belt and a big wrestler shows up and you weigh 165 pounds and a wrestler shows up that weighs 240 and it's his third day.


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[Assistant] It's, it's a good idea to roll with that person because they're going to do things you aren't expecting. They're really strong. They're going to be trying really hard and you want to be, you want to be, you want to train for yourself for the unexpected. So basically don't just weed. I'm not saying.


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[Assistant] When I say watch your training partners, I'm not saying for a normal person that's training, crawl into a safety bubble while you're on the mats. No. Especially people that are, you know, young and fit. You should be training with every person you can. Every different body style. Try them out. Big wrestlers, small people, lanky people.


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[Assistant] Train with them all, because that gets you used to all those different body styles and improves your game.


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[Assistant] I'm saying if you are very concerned about injuries because you have a job that requires you to, you know, use your hands or walk or whatever, then you go, okay, you know what? I need to take the long, the long vision here, fight the long war and really be selective on my training partners.


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[Assistant] And that's such a good technique to use with people, right? When you're dealing with people, people, like people's personalities, people have a personality that they, that's how they deal with things, and they get people, they funnel people into their world, so if you have to break


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[Assistant] If, if people have a way of doing things and you can get outside their pattern, you have a better chance of getting a victory.


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[Assistant] Ask on a fairly regular basis and it's a pretty straight forward answer. Uhm, okay, you can't obviously just right away just, just give people full autotomy. Because you have to build it up somewhat


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[Assistant] Incrementally, give them the opportunity to be on their own now. And what you're really building, what you're really building with decentralized command is you're building trust. And that's what you're trying to do. And as I've said before, the best way to build trust is to give trust.


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[Assistant] Before you give trust, you've got to set expectations, you've got to set standards, you've got to set guidelines, because this person that you're just, this is a new person, they might be a, they might be a crazy, they might be incompetent, they might have a totally different vision of what's okay than you might, they might be unethical, there's all kinds of things that they might be that you cannot allow for.


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[Assistant] So what you have to do is set those standards, set those guidelines and put those, put those guardrails in place so that you make sure that this person is ethical, make sure that they do are professional, make sure that they do have the same standards, make sure that they understand the expectations you set for them.


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[Assistant] That's when you can start to hand out more slack and more.


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[Assistant] I'm not talking about telling people exactly how to do it, but let's say you and I started working together and you were my subordinate.


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[Assistant] If we fast forward two years from now, I'd be like, hey Echo, this is what we're trying to get done, make it happen. I'll, you know, check back with me when it's done.


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[Assistant] Right? That's how much leeway I'm giving you. I don't even care. But when we first started working together, I mean, hey Echo, here's what we want to get done. Can you come up with a plan and then, and then let me know, let me take a look at what you're gonna do. Boom.


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[Assistant] Now I'm still letting you fully own the plan, but I'm gonna do a little check. I'm gonna make sure that it's the right, I'm gonna make sure it's a good plan, I'm gonna make sure it's a smart plan, I'm gonna make sure it handles our, our resources correctly. So all those things, I'm just gonna, and then the more we work together, the more we build the trust, the more you understand the expectations, the less


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[Assistant] Guidance I'm gonna give you, the less oversight I'm gonna give you. Cause I'm get built up, cause you've built up trust with me, and I've built up trust with you.


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[Assistant] That's important. I also want you to be able to make your own decisions.


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[Assistant] Because I don't want to be making decisions all the time, you know? So, uh, even when, even in the first scenario, when I've been working with you for a long time, you know, I say, hey, Echo, go figure this out, you go, you go handle it, you get it done. When we first start working together, you might come to me and say, hey, Jocko, I hit this wall. What do you want me to do here? What do you think I'm gonna say?


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[Assistant] Figured out. I'm going to say figured out. I'm going to say, Hey man, I don't know what's your, what's your best guess or how would you do it or.


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[Assistant] You know, if we knew each other a little bit better, I'd say, hey man, don't come asking me those questions. Go figure that out. I don't care how you do it. Just get around that wall. Boom. And we're done.


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[Assistant] Now the other, one other key part of this is often times if you take over a new team, you may want to, you may want to start off by setting the example.


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[Assistant] That way everybody knows what the standard is. So there's, and I would always, you know, I mean I would always, when I start off, when I take over a platoon, take over a squad, like okay, we're doing this operation, cool, here's our, I would run it. Very distinctly, very clearly be the guy.


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[Assistant] And then as time goes on and trust develops I'm going to become less and less the guy and more and more the


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[Assistant] The decentralized leader that's stepping back and letting the front line troopers lead. That's what I'm gonna try and make happen.


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[Assistant] As always, when you do start with a new group, it's real easy. Be humble. Listen. Take advice.


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[Assistant] Ask, ask questions. Ask questions, ask good questions about things if there's something you don't understand, ask the question, no big deal. Make the slow incremental changes like Hackworth talks about in Steal My Soldier, it's gonna change two things a day. Not gonna change the whole world overnight, can't do it.


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[Assistant] So he's gonna change two things a day. That being said, he also did some major, remember, if you remember this Hackworth, he gets in there and the guys have radios and they got guitars and they got all this stuff and he goes, yeah, put all that stuff in the middle of the compound. It's out of here tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Right? That was a major change. So he went and kind of shook him up a little bit, but then he goes, okay, now I gotta go the long war. I'm gonna change two little things a day. And that's what he did. So sometimes it's a combination of those two. Sometimes you gotta send a little shock value.


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[Assistant] Like hey, new sheriff in town, that's what I used to say in the SEAL teams, a new commanding officer would come over. If he would do, a lot of times they'd do something to assert their presence.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm here now. No more parking in the back lot.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Or, hey, new CO, I just took over, no more wearing this uniform to this place. Okay. So everyone go, okay, new sheriff in town. Let's let him get this out of his system.


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[Assistant] Pretty much, pretty much in SEAL Teams, it would be like, oh okay yea, new sheriff in town, he just came up with a new rule for us to follow, so we know he's here. Cool.


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[Assistant] Maybe the guys that are less mature, I hate to use that word, but maybe guys that weren't quite as in the game would be like, man, what's he doing this for? Maybe, hey bro, don't worry about it, it's a new sheriff. He's letting us know he's here. He's got it. We got it. So we're all good.


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[Assistant] But occasionally you see, occasionally you get somebody that comes in. You notice the things that I just said were, were fairly irrelevant? Like hey don't wear this uniform there, or hey don't park in this park, whatever. Those are fairly inconsequential things, and those things are okay actually. But occasionally you'd see somebody come in and try and do a,


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[Assistant] You know, execute some kind of a fundamental change and that's where you go, wait a second, man. You've been here for...


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[Assistant] We've been doing, I've been doing this for, I was at SEAL Team 1 for 8 years. You know, you're gonna show up, I've been here for 5 years, you're gonna tell me how it's better to do this? And that might not be the right attitude for a young guy like myself to have, but that's the attitude that you're gonna generate if you come in and try and make fundamental changes without assessing.


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[Assistant] So show some tactical patience when you come in and say, okay, let me check this out. Again, just to refer back to the hack, the Hackworth story, Hackworth was going to take over a battalion that was all jacked up.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, it'll definitely work against you. It'll definitely work against you. Now you, now, cause now you're, think about it, now you're imposing a plan on people.


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[Assistant] They don't like it. Even, even the big, uh, controlled military where everyone's in our chain of command. No, no one in the military likes to have big, new


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[Assistant] Ideas imposed upon them without thought and without assessment and without explanation and without telling people why. No, you don't do that.


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[Assistant] And that what you want and what you want to do is by doing all those things, by building that trust, by setting the standards, by setting the guidelines, by putting the guardrails in place, by listening, by respecting, by being humble, what you will do is you will lead people to lead themselves. And that's what you want.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, it's not underappreciated in my book. That's the absolute, that's the critical piece. Explain to people why they don't want to know.


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[Assistant] And you get feedback, because maybe what you said is the wrong decision. Right? You might be saying something that's like, you know what, you didn't think that through really all that well. Yeaah. And you need to discuss this with the troops and figure out what their assessment of your call is.


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[Assistant] You know what's funny is on the podcast? Just as an example?


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[Assistant] We talked fairly shortly about going to the podcast once every two weeks, right? I didn't really give a good explanation of why, and you know what feedback I got?


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[Assistant] You can't go to once a week. There was people that would say, hey, first of all, if you're gonna do that,


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[Assistant] You need to set some kind of warning, you need to let people know, we need some time. So it was funny, but the essential thing that I did not do is say, hey guys, here's what's going on, here's why I would want to do this in a different way.


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[Assistant] We're holding the line. We're holding the line and when we do have to do that, which may or may not happen, but I will explain why in great detail so everyone understands where I'm coming from. Because I don't want to leave anybody


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[Assistant] A good question. It's actually a little bit of a universal question. That's why, again, I like to take questions that apply universally to multiple things. Becoming comfortable in the water is very important.


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[Assistant] You drown in it. It's water is very tough to deal with. It's a very harsh environment, especially the ocean water. I used to say that every time you go in the water, it's a real world problem. Cause you can get killed. You can get killed in the ocean. You can get killed in the ocean today if you make the wrong moves. So you definitely


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[Assistant] Need to be comfortable in the water. Now, first things first, w-water will kill you.


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[Assistant] If you make mistakes in the water, you will die. So, whoever is, wrote this question, and whoever's gonna heed my advice here,


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[Assistant] Note and be advised that water will kill you. So when you swim, you gotta have a lifeguard. And there's a couple examples, a guy, uh, in my, that when I went through seal training with who was a


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[Assistant] Stud. Uh, complete stud. He was the honor man of my buds class.