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[Assistant] Messaging us being like, are you okay? We are okay. We were just, we really were burning out though. Like there was, it was starting to get a little much. And you know, we love this and we love you and we just want to keep.


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[Assistant] I'm just nostalgic right now. Psychic abilities. So you know what? Here we are. We're in a listener tale right now. Here we are.


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[Assistant] So you know what? The first tale that I'm going to read is called The Time My Grandfather Was Kidnapped and The Time My Grandfather Arranged an Illegal Adoption with the Help of the Capone Mafia.


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[Assistant] And I'm having the best time listening to you discuss my favorite TV show. In middle school, my friends and I assigned each other Buffy personas. I was Buffy. And I named my dog Angel. Anyway, I soon discovered you have been podcasting about my other favorite subject, true crime.


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[Assistant] And my love for you blossomed. Our love for you did the same. I started listening from the beginning and I'm catching up quickly.


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[Assistant] I'm submitting two other- two stories about my grandfather as told to me by my father, and still somewhat in his voice.


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[Assistant] Pick your favorite. Read both. They're short. I've attached to Potipha. No idea how that's spelled or what it even means. Again, I'm new here. But rumor has it that you like to read large fonts and I support that. That's the truth. I love you. All the rumors are true. Yeah. I never got to meet my, not all of them. I never got to meet my Potipha. I was just singing Lizzo.


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[Assistant] I love that. My favorite thing is there's a picture of him in an old timey boxer pose. I know.


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[Assistant] Alright, this story takes place in the 1920s. Oh yeah, it's my time. The Hillman department store was one of the biggest department stores in Chicago. Chicago. Chicago. Edward Hillman Jr. was the Chicago department store heir who was in the newspapers for his glamorous life.


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[Assistant] His marriages and divorces to actresses brought him further local celebrity status. My grandfather, Edward Hillman, hereby known as Ed, was a handsome and dapper young gentleman around the same age as Edward Jr.


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[Assistant] One evening, Ed, meaning her grandfather, was accosted by three butt heads forced into their car and brought to their apartment for ransom. Despite his protests, he could not convince these assholes that he wasn't the Edward Hillman, son of the Hillman department store owner.


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[Assistant] Herbert was a tough 16 year old. He was part of a Jewish gang that was known for getting into fights and minor trouble.


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[Assistant] Telling Herb to bring $5,000 gave Herb a clear understanding of what the situation was because it was a lot of money in those days.


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[Assistant] These criminals were looking out the window waiting for their money, and they saw a young guy approaching.


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[Assistant] He reminds me of Arthur, uhm, Arthur Shelby from Peaky Blinders.


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[Assistant] My dad asked his father what he was doing during the melee. He replied, I was filing my nails.


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[Assistant] In the early 1940s, my grandfather owned and operated a currency exchange in Cicero, Illinois. Around the corner was a business owned and operated by Ralph Capone, Al Capone's brother. The office was used to collect money from bookies, the numbers game, lottery,


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[Assistant] And other amusements since Ralph Capone collected money in smaller dominations, $1, $5, $10 bills. He approached my grandfather about exchanging these small bills for larger ones, including $1,000 bills that the government was taking out of circulation.


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[Assistant] My grandfather enjoyed talking with her because she was so pretty and kind.


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[Assistant] My grandfather put two and two together and said to the girl, I think I might be able to help you out. When you come back next week, I might have some good news for you. He contacted the childless couple and told them the situation. They agreed on an arrangement. Look at this guy just fucking making things happen. Making dreams come true.


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[Assistant] The baby daddy showed up wearing a big smile, walking towards my grandfather, greedily looking forward to the money transaction. At the same time, two rough looking guys got out of their car.


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[Assistant] You're here. You're here. I'm just, I'm amazed right now that you just woke up to snoring. Yeah. Like woke up to snoring and there was a giant man in your room. Like no thank you. And the fact that you said he looked like he was


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[Assistant] I love how much research and time you guys put into the stories and now you focus on the victims and their families in these terrible crimes. But you still spit the facts about the case. Thank you. Thanks. I sadly have already caught up with all the old episodes. Yes, I work a very boring job at the moment, but at least I get to binge listen to your podcasts all day long.


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[Assistant] I recently graduated with a degree in forensic chemistry. Holy shit. With minors in biology, criminal justice and forensic science. You're a badass. I'm about to join the police academy and hopefully work my way to become a crime scene investigator. My dream job. You're the best. You also kind of sound like you went down a similar path. I know. I'm like, damn, you're awesome. Um, I'm like, yeah, you're awesome. So you can't even catch that. I got it. I caught it as it came out of my own mouth.


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[Assistant] So if you can't tell, I really like True Crime. I have always thought of setting in a listener tale, but thought nothing in my life is as interesting as the other tales you have read. But I thought, why the hell not? YOLO, am I right? I have attached my listener tale in a double-spaced Pud-A-Fuh, and it takes about six minutes to read.


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[Assistant] We exchanged numbers to ask questions about lab and class and I did not think anything of it. Further into the semester he ended up sitting next to me in our lecture portion of the class and would start to say things very casually that would make me feel uncomfortable. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] Immediately after lab was over, I texted my then boyfriend about what happened during lab and he felt that I should try to, I should be nice to this guy because he seemed like he could be potentially dangerous based on the things he would say.


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[Assistant] And was worried about my safety since we were long distance and I would walk to and from campus by myself because I was not paying $130 to park on campus.


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[Assistant] If a guy, if my boyfriend says THEN boyfriend. I'm assuming. Cause like, be nice to this guy who makes you uncomfortable. Fuck that.


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[Assistant] My senior year, he ended up being in one of my classes and sat in front of me and would still text me every single day. Broey, I'm not answering you. No, this semester he kept texting me asking to meet him after class, which I would not do and would awkwardly sprint out of the class.


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[Assistant] After a few weeks of this happening he sent me a very long text professing his love for me.


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[Assistant] This started the spamming of my phone where he would be apologizing and that he still wanted to be friends. At this point I was fed up with this so I responded telling him that he was making me feel very uncomfortable and to stop texting me, which of course he did not do. And I ended up blocking his number.


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[Assistant] Since I blocked his number, he had started messaging me on Instagram, Facebook and found my Snapchat.


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[Assistant] After a while he eventually stopped messaging me and I thought this whole thing was behind me.


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[Assistant] That night I got a very angry email from him through our student email saying that I lied to him and to go fuck myself and many other mean comments about how terrible I was for telling him I did not want to date him. In cell behavior.


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[Assistant] His tone went from being sorry to being pissed. At this point I had no idea what to do, so I did the only thing I could think of. I called my parents and told them about the email since they knew everything else was going on.


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[Assistant] They both got very worried and told me I needed to go tell someone on campus that I trusted and explain the whole situation in case something did happen.


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[Assistant] The next day I went and talked to my amazing boss, who encouraged me to go straight to the head of security of the chemist- chemistry department, after hear- excuse me, head of the chemistry department, after hearing the whole story and sat with me while I talked to the head of the chem department. They then told me that I should go to campus police and make a formal report.


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[Assistant] So the next day, my loving boyfriend drove me to the police station. I then gave my statement to some police officer that made me feel like I was overreacting and making this a bigger deal than it really was. A douchebag is what you mean. So I ended up feeling like I made a mistake and felt stupid for this whole situation.


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[Assistant] You did not think anything of it until the next day, when she remembered everything that I had told her.


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[Assistant] She quickly went to report to the department head and I went to class. That night me and my roommates were playing board games when I got a call from a random number on my phone.


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[Assistant] Turns out it was the department head and he wanted to let me know that he heard about the comment and went to check the chloroform and some of it was missing. Oh my god. I immediately broke down in tears on our porch because holy shit. He then went on to tell me that he already contacted campus police and made them aware of this.


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[Assistant] The part that really sucked was I had a chemistry test the next day that I did not get out, that I did not get out of. Obviously I failed the shit out of that test. The next day.


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[Assistant] It turns out she was good friends with the stockroom assistant who checked and there were still some missing, but no one knew where it was.


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[Assistant] So after all of that, we have no idea if he took the missing chloroform and I finally graduated and got to move out of that small town and away from creepy lab partner.


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[Assistant] So that is the story of Creepy Lab Partner. I still feel like I overreacted. You did not. But it happened and I can't change it, so oh well I guess. Keep it weird weirdos, but not so weird. Ash, take it away. I'm not good with words.


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[Assistant] Hey Prime members, you can listen to Morbid early and ad free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app today, or you can listen ad free with Wondery Plus and Apple podcasts. Before you go, tell us about yourself by completing a short survey at Wondery.com slash survey.


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[Assistant] Hey Prime members, you can listen to Morbid early and ad free on Amazon Music. Download the app today.


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[Assistant] So I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy. Because I've made you an episode. I have made you an episode. You know what? I feel like.


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[Assistant] It's, it's been feeling good lately. I feel like, I just, well everything, I feel like we've just entered into, we've come out of that, we were in like kind of a little like, oof. Yeah, it's like we came out. Just a murky murk a little bit. It's like we came out like on top of it. We came out on top, like we, you know, like, like winners. It's like that song where it's like, coming in hot.


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[Assistant] There's a whole world of TikTok I don't know about. Oh, absolutely. There's, there's, there's...


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[Assistant] Galaxies of TikTok that you know about. Galaxies. Galaxies. Galaxies. Oh, and I have another TikTok recommendation because, uh-


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[Assistant] She is awesome, her name's Amanda, and she is like really into the Lizzie Borden case. She's definitely a Lizzie is innocent and she will make you believe it. The more and more that I look into that case and the older I get. Makes you question.


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[Assistant] I don't stand firmly on one side or the other, but I do think I might be teetering. She gives you a lot to think about, and she also does a ton of paranormal investigations at all these cool, really spooky places. Love that. She's really, like, she's just cool. Like when you watch her, you're just like, I wanna hang out with you. You're just, uh.


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[Assistant] Cool! In fact, I think I've written on some of her things, like, can we just like hang out and do spooky things together? And she said yes, and I said...


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[Assistant] I feel like an afterthought. She's a really good follow. She's a good follow cause I think you guys, I just saw that my girl Horror Chronicles, she got like, she heard her shout out and was really excited. It made me feel happy. I love that. And I think she got some follows from it. So it made me like feel like, hell yeah. You get like the creepy side of TikTok. I get like,


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[Assistant] Most likely no, or at least have heard of this case. It is the burger chef murders in Indiana. Oh, yup, I have heard that. It is really sad. Really sad. And still unsolved, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, like watched a show or a documentary or listened to a podcast that explored the whole thing in depth. And to like see some of the updates or anything like that. Yea, no, so I'm excited, well, excited is not the right word, but. You're excited to hear more about it. Yes. I feel you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is, this is a really sad one, it's a really senseless one, and it's still, I think the thing that bothers everyone the most is like, no one can understand why.


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[Assistant] Like, there, of course there, as we'll see, there's like robbery involved and all that, but


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[Assistant] Why did it end the way it ended? Because it's like there's robbery, but then there's like money left behind, right? Well, it's, it's, that's not even the issue. It's more just.


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[Assistant] Why? Like why, usually when you go, like when, you know, a store gets stood up or something like that, they


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[Assistant] So buckle up. Unbuckled. Alright, so this is going back to November 18th, 1978. Oh, I didn't realize that this was in the 70s. Yeaah, I know, it feels closer, weirdly. Yeaah, it does. I think I thought it was like the 80s. Yeaah, see, I even, when I first went into this, I thought it was the 90s.


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[Assistant] Wow. Yea. Look at us just being wrong. I know and actually just to give you like a quick little like uhm, make you feel old moment if you're like an older millennial especially. A geriatric millennial. See I can't even talk anymore that's how old I am.


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[Assistant] No. Oh, you didn't even see the best part. No. There's twins that are very clearly supposed to be like Mary-Kate and Ashley, and I think they're named like Nikki and something else. Wow. And they're dressed like how Mary-Kate and Ashley did. Yeah. A lot of them are dressed like the clueless style kind of thing. That's not vintage yet. Oh no, not vintage. Historical. Historical, yeah.


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[Assistant] Brian Kring stopped by the Burger Chef in Speedway, Indiana. He was an employee there.


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[Assistant] And he was stopping by after closing time to visit his coworkers because of course this is after closing time. You're doing those like, you know, when the store is locked and you get to turn on music or something, do your clothes down routine. You're dancing around with the broom. You know, anyone who's worked retail or anything like that knows this like,


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[Assistant] It's a great time, because that's usually when your friends can stop by and just watch you clean. Now he was surprised though when he went around back and he found the back door unlocked. And then he went further in and he found the restaurant was empty. Again, all lights around.


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[Assistant] Local police didn't take this situation seriously at all. Oh good. They just assumed it was petty theft. Why do we give a shit?


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[Assistant] Like, but why though? Yeah, like why? And at first they actually thought that this was just the kids had stolen the cash and ran out of there.


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[Assistant] And then they just left their purses. And then they just left, and that's the other thing. It's like, so you didn't look at those purses and think maybe we should look a little further into this? Right. And also if you looked at all into who these kids were, you would know that is not, that's just not a notion you should have had. Oh, the 70s.


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[Assistant] But that notion would change shortly thereafter when the crime turned from disappearance and theft to kidnapping and multiple homicide.


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[Assistant] Now unfortunately by the time they actually got to this conclusion, which anybody else probably would have come to pretty quickly considering all the things that were left at the motherfuckin' scene,


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[Assistant] The entire scene had been cleaned by burger chef employees the next morning. Nooo. And when I tell you what, like how detrimental this was, oof, it's gonna, it's gonna grind your gears. I'm already grinding. Yeah, my gears are round to dust.


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[Assistant] So the failure of the authorities to take this disappearance, the disappearance of the burger chef employees seriously from the very beginning, from the outset, it was only the first of many mistakes they are going to take in this case. And it ended up being Indiana's most high profile unsolved crime. Wow.


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[Assistant] Now, while investigators are now pretty certain, fairly certain that they know who is responsible for this, or the four murders,


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[Assistant] The evidence they need to actually prove that now, it was wiped clean.


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[Assistant] Time and time again, that it is not hopeless, there's always a way. And you know who says that also? Heidi. You know our girl Heidi Jones? Heidi Jones, and we listen to Heidi Jones.


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[Assistant] I love Heidi. I love her so much. You just made me think of her and I was like, aw, Heidi. Is she just like the nicest person on the planet? She truly is. I just love her. I hope she's very happy every day. I think she is. I think she is too, legitimately. Die mad, Tom. But die mad, Tom.


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[Assistant] So, unfortunately, the loss of this evidence and the fact that they


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[Assistant] That although I believe that it can be conclusively linked to these people,


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[Assistant] It's gonna, it made it a lot harder. Yeaah. It's a lot harder now to link these two things because of investigatory negligence, to be quite honest. And that's the thing that sucks, it's like...


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[Assistant] You go in there, wiped clean, and you go in there and say, talk to me. I was just watching, uhm, oh my god, so good. Have you watched, uhm, the Playboy Murders yet? No, I haven't, but I keep seeing Holly posts about it and I really wanna watch it. I watched the entire series so far. I'm gonna sit down and watch it. So good, but one of the cases that they covered, the Jasmine Fior case. Oh yes.


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[Assistant] That's when 17 year old Brian Kring was on his way home a little after midnight.


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[Assistant] He passed by the Burger Chef restaurant on Crawfordsville Road. He worked part time there, because again, he's 17. The restaurant closed at 11 PM. This is a little after midnight, but.


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[Assistant] The lights were still on, so he was like, oh, they're still closing down, I'm just gonna drop in and say hi. Yeah. Like, cute, small town shit. That's adorable. Uh, these, the workers that were there were the 20 year old assistant manager, Jane Freit, 16 year old Mark Flemmons, 16 year old Daniel Davis, and 17 year old Ruth Shelton.


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[Assistant] Now, Kring, Brian Kring went around the back because he figured the front was going to be locked. They had obviously locked up.


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[Assistant] He was confused though, because when he went back there, he saw that the door was not only unlocked, but slightly open. Huh. And he was like, why would they do that? So he just goes in.


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[Assistant] And again, he's closed before. He knows this is not like, why would you leave the back door open? Yeah, he knows protocol. Yeah. And when he went in, he called out to them.


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[Assistant] Just like, who's here? Silence. And that must have been the heaviest silence cause you're like, what the fuck is going on? That would be so terrifying. Cause it's like, they're not just leaving the lights on and the doors unlocked and piecing out for the night. Like, you know something's wrong here if they're not bustling around cleaning.


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[Assistant] So he goes in there, he's not seeing anyone, not hearing anything, and then he sees that the cash register's drawers had been pulled out and thrown on the floor and they are all empty. Oh no.


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[Assistant] We're gonna figure this out. So, he goes in there, empty.


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[Assistant] She was not leaving without that jacket willingly. And then like to find that and still know that the cops were like, no they just ran away without her jacket she ran away. And it's like you really couldn't entertain any other possibility. It had to be what you were thinking. Finding this the way they did, like. It doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] Well, Brian called 911 and told them what he discovered.


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[Assistant] When the police arrived at the burger chef, Brian told them the story and he told the same story he had told the 911 dispatcher and the officers just kind of did like


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[Assistant] They did nothing about it. They didn't collect it. They didn't photograph it. Left it there. Did nothing to it. Good. Yeah. Now the store manager Robert Gilead.


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[Assistant] He arrived shortly after the police had come and he reviewed the register tape from the night sales and he said by his estimation there was about $600 missing. Okay. Uh, to the officers on the scene, they were like, you know what? This is robbery. You know what? Probably an inside job. Probably these kids or someone else.


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[Assistant] And it was assumed that they just kinda went on their closing shift, stole the money and all four of them just divvied it up to each other and walked out into the night.


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[Assistant] Without their purse, without their jackets, leaving the whole place unlocked. That's a lot to, to just take from looking around for a minute. Yeaah. But Robert, you know, he, the store manager, he was like, uhm, no, I know my employees. Yeaah, I've worked with them. And he was like, I know these four.


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[Assistant] And there's, you know, we trust them to close the store down. Like we wouldn't put them on this if we didn't. And he said, nope, they are very responsible, very trustworthy kids. It's the assistant manager. They would not rob us. They wouldn't even leave without turning off a light. Like I'm shocked. I would be shocked if they left without turning all the lights off. Like it doesn't make any sense. This doesn't add up at all.


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[Assistant] And unfortunately this didn't get a lot of priority from the investigators, but it also didn't get priority for the, in the media at the time.


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[Assistant] Because a little over two months earlier Speedway, which was a very small community, was terrorized by bombings around town. Oh man. And police thought that these bombings were actually intended to distract from the investigation of a local woman's murder.


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[Assistant] Now, interestingly, on September 6th of that year, so the month earlier, uhm, or two months earlier, excuse me,


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[Assistant] Ruth Shelton, one of the victims, had actually called police to report a car speeding through the Burger Chef parking lot after one of the bombings. Oh. No one interviewed her about it. What the fuck? They just took the call, they said they didn't think it was pertinent, and then it ended up being pertinent, but they never interviewed her.


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[Assistant] Maybe they should stop making hasty judgments. Yeah, it looks like that seems to be a, uh, a running theme.


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[Assistant] Now meanwhile, on November 18th, the day that the burger chef employees disappeared,


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[Assistant] Reports began coming in from a place called Guyana. This was the day where Congressman Leo Ryan was shot by members of the People's Temple at Jonestown. Holy shit, there's a lot going on during this time. So by the end of the day, the news media was


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[Assistant] And Speedway Police Lieutenant William Crafton was beginning to think that the store manager Robert Gilead was possibly right. That this wasn't a teenage prank, it wasn't this thing where they decided to just rob.


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[Assistant] And so Crafton issued a statewide alert and reserve, um, and put reserve and active police from Speedway in to start a search. Okay. So they were actually assisted by the Indiana state police and the local office of the FBI as well. So now too late, we are taking this seriously.


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[Assistant] That's what they were going with because again, there is no evidence of a.


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[Assistant] Of homicide at this point. It's not a recovery mission. This is supposed to be a search and rescue.


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[Assistant] A little different and a little more dire. Because soon, officers found Jane Freit's 1974 Chevrolet Vega


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[Assistant] A few blocks away from the police station, and it was abandoned.


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[Assistant] And it's like how many of you guys drove past that on your way to work? Exactly. Like dudes. And it was partially locked, which is interesting because according to Jane's mother, she said Jane kept the driver's side door locked at all times.


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[Assistant] And remember, they have not done anything to cordon off the scene. The scene is not secured. It is a restaurant to be opened and to serve people now.


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[Assistant] Also, I want to remind you and also inform you that no crime scene technicians were ever brought to that restaurant. They were never called to that scene.


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[Assistant] No crime scene technicians. That means it was never photographed. It was never dusted for prints. It was never combed for any little thing. Nothing.


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[Assistant] Wow. They can't even tell if someone was hurt there because they didn't do any kind of testing for it, like nothing. Nothing at all. Didn't even, the fact that they didn't take pictures to reference later is mind boggling.


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[Assistant] Was there, did they face like any kind of trouble from this at all at any point? Well, we'll definitely get to that in part two. Okay. But it's, yeah, this, it's just really wild. Now later, when they realized what they had done, the investigators returned to the scene.


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[Assistant] There was nothing to collect. No. Nothing. Now, and now it was the lunch rush when they got there. So it was just a bustling restaurant. And at that point it's like totally compromised. Why are you even here at this point? Now by the morning of the 19th, which was the next morning, the local press had begun reporting on what Speedway police were calling a quote, serious abduction. Uh huh.


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[Assistant] But nothing made sense, like why would they come in to rob the place and take four teens with them? So everybody's like, what the hell?


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[Assistant] And Jane's mother Carolyn said to reporters, quote, it just doesn't make any sense. They got their money and they made their escape. Now why the devil don't they give us our back, our children? Which like heart breaking. Like give me back my child. Like you can keep whatever you want to keep. Just give me her back.


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[Assistant] But by this point, the police had really given the families very little information because they didn't really have any information. And they actually told the families not to share photographs of their children with the press, which was strange. That's really weird.


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[Assistant] So now they're dedicating resources to finding these, these four victims and other officers are being sent to canvas for anyone who might have seen anything in or around the burger chef restaurant that night. So now they're talking to people finally. Okay.


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[Assistant] Now a couple who had been sitting behind the burger chef at around 11, 15 PM when they came forward and said,


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[Assistant] At around 11, 15 p.m., they were sitting back there, who knows what they were doing, but they were approached, they were parked, they were neckin'. They were approached by, quote, two shabbily attired white men in their thirties. Oh.


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[Assistant] We love that, a shabbily retired white man in his thirties. Yeah. And they came up and they asked the couple for identification and then told them they should leave the area.


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[Assistant] And they were like, what? And they told them that quote, a lot of vandalism has been going, had been going around.


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[Assistant] So it's like he was holding it up like he was wiping his nose, but it was likely to cover his face.


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[Assistant] Or he was just doing it because he was the one without a beard, so he figured he needed a little extra covering. Right. But as they, as the couple left the parking lot, they said they did see Jane's white Chevy Vega was still parked in the lot. So at 11.15 it was still in that lot. Okay. Now, this is great, but like, there's still very little evidence here.


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[Assistant] And they're re- the police were really not able to come up with a lead at this point. Like what are they gonna do here? I'm like can we call in some big guns? Well not only can they not come up with a lead,


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[Assistant] They're having trouble even theorizing what could be happening here. Cause they got nothing. Yeaah. It's just now all we know is two guys in their thirties.


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[Assistant] Said there's a lot of vandalism back here, you should leave. And that's it. And that's it. And that her, that Jane's car was abandoned on the side of the road near the police station. But it was still there at 1115. Like.


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[Assistant] Like what do you, where do you go from there? That's the thing. It's not like they can sit there and go, okay, well this, this piece tells me this. It's like, all you had was robbery. You gotta add a lot more pieces into this. Maybe if you dusted for some goddamn prints or took a fucking picture or something. That's what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Now Brian, the friend who had come in that night, he told them that he found trash barrels next to the back door, like hole propping the door open.


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[Assistant] And so the investigators thought someone had unlocked the back door to take the trash out a little after 11pm.


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[Assistant] Which makes sense. And as whoever did said this, one or more people caught them by surprise, forced them back into the restaurant. Once they'd taken the money from the safe, they then forced all four into Jane's car with probably one of the robbers, while one or more accomplices just followed behind in a separate vehicle.


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[Assistant] Because you're not gonna stuff everybody into one car. Right. They said they probably drove for three blocks before they were forced out of the car.


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[Assistant] They abandoned the car where it was found near the police station and then whatever happened after that? No idea.


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[Assistant] Okay. So it does make sense, like that theory.


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[Assistant] It does make sense that somebody was probably taking out the trash and they opened that back door. Cause that back door would have been locked. Yeah. If you're closing up everywhere I've ever worked while you're closing up, the doors are locked.


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[Assistant] So it's like that was definitely a locked door. I'm sure one of them opened the door to take the trash out back and was surprised by these people. They forced them inside. It does make sense. That makes sense for sure. But what we're not getting is like who the fuck are these people and what the fuck did they want besides money? And then what happened to them once they were dropped off past that point? Exactly.


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[Assistant] Now interestingly, June 16th, 1978, there was a similarly tragic case to this at another fast food restaurant.


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[Assistant] It was called the sirloin stockade and it was in Oklahoma city. And I didn't know about this. I'm going to look further into this. Maybe I'll have it for part two, but I happened to come across it when I was rereading and I was like, Ooh, mention that.


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[Assistant] So Sunday, November 19th, like I said, day after the disappearances, the search came to a screeching halt.


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[Assistant] Cause they're so young. They are, yeaah. And this is so fucking senseless. And they were just like out there like after school jobs. That's the thing. And when you find out there was a couple of like incidences where like one of them wasn't supposed to be working that night. Yeaah, I remember hearing that. Now Ruth and Daniel were found lying face down in the dirt.


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[Assistant] Now unfortunately, exactly like the scene at the Burger Chef, the scene at the Hager's property really didn't give a lot of evidence to work with.


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[Assistant] Technicians were called to this. Well that's good. Because there is an actual multiple homicide here. Uh, technicians did make a cast of a tire track that was found like in the gravel driveway leading away from the property. Uh huh. But otherwise there was really nothing about the scene that they were like, oh this is going to be very useful to us. Ugh.


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[Assistant] Now because the victims had been transported across county lines, the case was also taken over by Indiana State Police. Which that's good, I feel. It's good!


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[Assistant] But this is also very much to the chagrin of the Speedway Police and Johnson County Sheriff's Department who, and we all know, egos always come into play here. And the Speedway Police and the Johnson County Sheriff's Department were actually kept away from the scene while it was secured by state troopers.


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[Assistant] And Sheriff Thomas Pritchard told reporters, quote, I'm very, very upset about this. I don't know why the state police can't cooperate. Which it's true.


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[Assistant] Everyone should be cooperating in situations like this. The more the fucking merrier. Everybody get on the same page, make sure you're sharing information and make sure everybody is being a good little boy and a good little girl and everyone talk to each other and work together. I don't understand why it's like this is ours now. It's like,


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[Assistant] None of you are getting a trophy. So like, why don't you all just work together? If anything, you're just getting, you're all working together to get a family answers. That's the thing. Like that should, that's your trophy and you can all share it if you all work together.


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[Assistant] But the interdepartmental bitterness did nothing but further hamper this investigation, which was already


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[Assistant] So bad from the beginning. I was going to say this, uh, investigation. That's like, when I said from the outset, flaw, flaw, flaw, flaw, flaw, flaw, flaw, negligent, negligent, negligent. Yeah. That is all this is. This is like if a flaw had flaws. It truly.


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[Assistant] To think that like they started off so badly and they started off so negligent with like investigating this at all. And then it went further to have the state police, which I understand they were probably looking over and being like, well, you guys did not do a good job at this. But on the same token, it's like guys, this is already fucked up.


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[Assistant] Like just work together. Just work together. Sit down in a room and figure out what your different tasks are and work together.


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[Assistant] But it's like, we can't even do that as adults. It's so wild to me. It's so simple a concept that it's almost too simple. Yeah. Cause we've all seen it in our own lives on like very smaller scales is like getting a bunch of people to work together is a very difficult task. And it's like, I don't know why we are all so fucking averse to this. It's so weird, but either way,


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[Assistant] Uhm, the sheriff, Sheriff Pritchard, had requested


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[Assistant] This makes more bitterness just seep in. And Sheriff Pritchard was quoted as saying, quote,


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[Assistant] Other than lab equipment, I felt our department is just as capable. If they're going to treat us this way, we're not going to bend over backwards to help them.


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[Assistant] Guys, you are just compounding and compounding and compounding issues here. Oh, we're not gonna c- it's like, okay, let's work together. No, I don't wanna work with you. Okay, then we're not gonna share information. Okay, then we're not gonna tell- and it's like,


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[Assistant] These four kids that were murdered are over there being like, hello, excuse me, hi, can you maybe get justice for us? That would be sick if you guys would go ahead and just get some fucking justice for us instead of like,


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[Assistant] Swinging your dicks around at each other. Honestly. It's so frustrating to see this shit. I hate when this enters a case. No, I do too. Where it's like, cause we've seen certain ones where like departments work together.


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[Assistant] Sometimes they work together and they don't work together well and it goes wrong. Yup. But like, you gotta try. You gotta try. Because it's not about you. Yeah. It's not.


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[Assistant] So the turf wars and the ego stuff became a problem for years to come in this case, and it caused major breakdowns in communication on any number of occasions for this.


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[Assistant] And at this point, motive was still very cloudy as well because the missing $600 from the restaurant safe.


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[Assistant] Made them think robbery was probably part of the motive at least. But investigators also found cash in Jane Freed's front pocket. Right. And one of the others was wearing an expensive watch. Yeah. And why abandon Jane's car? A few blocks later.


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[Assistant] I guess the car I can understand because that's so easily traceable, but like-


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[Assistant] Yeah, where you left them. But the money in her front pocket, just leaving that there, robbery was the motive, and then the expensive watch, it's like, that doesn't check. No, in the car, why would you not drive that far away?


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[Assistant] You drove it right where they could find them? Like that doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] They must have had another car, right? It's so, I have no idea. So Dr. Harley Palmer was the one who did the autopsies a few days after they were found.


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[Assistant] And the results didn't really clear a whole lot more up. It really just gave us more questions and also just made it even sadder. Oh no. What was happening.


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[Assistant] So both Ruth Shelton and Daniel Davis had been shot in the head, neck and shoulders multiple times. Wow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Which Palmer, Dr. Palmer thought occurred while they were lying on the ground next to each other. So it was like execution style. Jesus, but like so overkill. Well, and this is the theory. So because that was happening and they believe there was probably at least two killers, each one is doing that.


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[Assistant] And the theory is that once that began, Jane and Mark ran. They were probably all four lying on the ground and they were just gonna do it in a row.


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[Assistant] But Jane and Mark jumped up and tried to escape and were caught and killed.


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[Assistant] Jane Freit had been stabbed at least twice in the chest with a five inch hunting knife. Holy shit. And it was so violent that the blade broke off and was still stuck in her chest when she was discovered. Oh my god. The handle was taken with the killers.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. So I don't even know if the killer, one, knew that it broke off, but two, you can't get that out of there. No. Once it's broken off, so they just ran off with the handle, but left the blade. Wow. And that's violent. That's brutal. Mark Fleming's death was even more confusing because his cause of death was blunt force trauma to the head.


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[Assistant] But Dr. Palmer couldn't be certain what was used to inflict the blow or how it happened.


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[Assistant] The autopsy showed that Mark had actually sustained an internal injury before he died and that he had actually choked on his blood prior to his death. That was actually.


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[Assistant] It was blunt force trauma, but like I think the choking on the blood asphyxiation was technically the other cause of death. Now, several weeks later,


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[Assistant] Based on this autopsy report, investigators floated a theory that Mark Flemons had panicked, run away like Jane, and that it was dark in the woods, so he ran head on into a tree.


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[Assistant] Much more brutal than I knew it was. Now Dr. Palmer confirmed that none of the bodies showed any signs of having been bound or restrained.


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[Assistant] And he placed the time of death somewhere between two and three in the morning on the 18th or technically the 19th.


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[Assistant] The area in which the bodies were discovered was a 40 minute drive from the burger chef at Speedway. So Palmer's estimated time of death suggests that all four were killed not long after arriving on that property. So it wasn't like they held them there for a while.


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[Assistant] And to be able to chase them each down in the woods, there had to have been at least two. But I think there maybe could have been more. And again, the motive, still elusive at this point, because what the hell, that's brutal.


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[Assistant] So now that we've gone over this whole crime, let's talk about these four victims.


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[Assistant] Uh, she had transferred to the Crawfordsville road location in the spring of 1978, so she had just transferred.


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[Assistant] She was probably so like proud and excited about that. Oh yea, and you want to know what her nickname was by her like fellow coworkers?


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[Assistant] Sweet Jane. That's what they call her, Sweet Jane. And while she was in school, Jane was involved in tons of clubs and activities, yearbook, you know, concert band, choir.


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[Assistant] Uh, she took, she eventually became a teacher's aide. I think she was like a library assistant at one point and a friend from high school told reporters, quote, she had a zany smile that always reminded me of Lily Tomlin because when she smiled, her eyes would crinkle up into crescent moon shapes. And when you look at her, it's true. And Jane was actually this, this destroys me.


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[Assistant] Jane was actually in line for a promotion that was going to be happening at the beginning of the new year. Everyone was confident she was going to be running the store.


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[Assistant] Wow. Like full blown manager. And what's worse, she had no idea that this promotion was coming her way at the time of her murder. So there was this big exciting secret that she never knew.


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[Assistant] Now 17 year old Ruth Ellen Shelton was born December 19th, 1960. Like Jane, she was super popular at work and at school. She had begun working at the Burger Chef, um, on Crawfordsville Road a few months before the murders and was described by her manager, Robert Gilliott, as one of the quote, model employees. She was an honor student


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[Assistant] Uh, at the time of her death, she was in her junior year at Northwest High School. She really pushed herself academically and she was very interested in math and science, which


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[Assistant] At the time, it was kind of discouraged for young women to be into that. And she had, her parents and family said she was brilliant and incredibly inspirational. Like her drive was like,


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[Assistant] Nothing you've ever seen. They were like, we were constantly in awe of her. And she had dreams of becoming a computer scientist. Holy shit. And her parents encouraged her in everything. Her mom actually later joked, quote, I told her she couldn't be the best at everything, but she was the kind of person who would always try. And she was taking classes at the time of her death.


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[Assistant] At University of Indianapolis for early credits. Good for her.


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[Assistant] That's insane, like that's so cool. Right, just like two like really determined women. Yeah, like really cool women that were like doing the damn thing. And she had recently joined the school choir and her classmates said that she was quote shy but very nice and a very good worker.


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[Assistant] Now outside of school, she also loved art. She was very active in activities outside of school. Like she was, um, in the youth fellowship group at West Side Church of the Nazarene. So she, they were, they were both doing a shit ton with their lives and would continue to given the opportunity.


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[Assistant] Now Daniel Davis was born on September 6th. He was only 16 years old. I know. He had also recently begun working at The Burger Chef as a cook a few months earlier and had not even had his first paycheck yet. Wow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Decaturge Central High School, I hope I'm saying that right, and had been planning to actually enter the Air Force when he graduated.


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[Assistant] And he had made his own DIY darkroom in his house at home. How cool is that? And he would develop his photographs there.


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[Assistant] So that Mark, Mark would work while this girl went on the date with Brian. So Brian must have like dropped that girl off and then was on his way home from that. That's exactly what happened. In fact, the two of them drove by and since they both worked there.


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[Assistant] They noticed the lights on and she was like, I gotta get back for curfew. So he just drove her home and then on his way back, he was like, Oh, I'm going to stop in there. Oh my God.


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[Assistant] Now, yeaah, it drives me crazy. So, and I, I might have said Mark, I meant Brian. I don't know if I'm Brian, that's who I'm talking about with the date. But Mark was, uhm, Mark was a sophomore at Speedway High School.


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[Assistant] He was one of seven children. He was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and he was known to be very friendly and cheerful. Like you were in a bad mood, Mark was the one that was gonna make you laugh and make you feel better. And in the 1978 Speedway High School Yearbook,


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[Assistant] Classmates remembered quote his smiling face and laughing eyes. And they said that he, they always remember the jokes that he told because he would cheer everyone up. This is so sad. Yeah, it breaks my heart.


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[Assistant] Now with no record of the initial crime scene, ever.


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[Assistant] Now the investigation was also hitting walls because of the lack of information that was being communicated to both the media, the public, and within law enforcement agencies.


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[Assistant] Like this miscommunication was everywhere and they were holding all this shit way too close. Like sometimes it makes sense, but they weren't giving anything. Well, even just like, I thought it was so weird that they told the family not to share pictures of their kids. And they didn't share a lot of information with the families.


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[Assistant] But it was also happening within the departments too. Officers were complaining about Lieutenant Kraft in silence saying it was going to make them impossible to investigate this case. We're not getting any information.


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[Assistant] And he told law enforcement that they had to be more forthcoming, but nope, they were not going to.


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[Assistant] This is a wild case. Yeah, some of the information about the autopsies were made public, but


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[Assistant] The only thing that the investigators really gave the public was that they had developed, quote, incomplete composite drawings of the two men.


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[Assistant] In the parking lot that had come up to the couple. Girl, bye. But yeah, but then even the even that though, they said the investigators said that they were quote, not certain the men were involved in the abduction, but they may have some information about the robbery.


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[Assistant] What are you certain about? It's like what? That's not helpful. It might be easier if you tell us what you are certain about.


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[Assistant] Now one thing they shared was that on the day of the disappearances, officers had discovered a .38 caliber pistol.


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[Assistant] Well, it obviously wasn't out there for too long, so that could be the gun that was used in the killings, because it could have been only out here for a couple of days. Right.


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[Assistant] Now even though the police were pretty unwilling to share even the slightest bit of information, the press and public did what they could to help the investigation. On November 20th, the Burger Chef Corporation


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[Assistant] Um, they added another thousand dollars to that sum. Nice. Which is really cool of them to do, like, another restaurant. Stand together. Stand together. More than, apparently, the police department. Literally. And Burger Chef also set up memorial funds for the victims' families. That sounds like a great company. I was like, wow, Burger Chef.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then a bunch of other local organizations stepped up, uhm, the Indiana Restaurant Association actually established a reward fund, quote, to be used in violent crimes committed at any member's restaurant. Wow. So they were like banding together and forming a little like...


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[Assistant] But it can have its drawbacks because immediately you're going to get people calling in trying to get that reward with no fucking information. Yeah, like the, or like just fake information. Exactly. So of course a flood of phone calls, a bunch of tips came in from the public.


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[Assistant] I'm going to tell you this, but I'm not going to tell you this. You're not going to hear about this, but I want you to tell me this kind of thing. On the Tuesday after the murders, the Indianapolis news had a headline that said, quote, four held 24 hours before slayings.


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[Assistant] So they're saying that they, the four people were held 24 hours before they were killed. Which is not the truth. On the same day.


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[Assistant] Not great. So two different newspapers on the same day are saying, tell 24 hours, police think they were killed right away. Yikes. Not great.


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[Assistant] The silence also really made the public apprehensive about trusting the investigation and law enforcement. Right. Because remember that series of bombings had just ended as well.


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[Assistant] And it's, and at this point they are unsolved as well. So they're like, yeah, we don't know what you guys are doing, but it's not solving cases. That's for sure. We don't want to live here. Yeah. So actually a neighbor of the Hagers, which is where the bodies were found.


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[Assistant] She, they said we're very scared to come all the way from Speedway to here. They would have had to known something about the area. Yeah. Which is not, not wrong.


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[Assistant] And one burger chef regular actually said to reporters, I was shocked. It was like a personal loss. Like part of myself had been taken away. Which you're just like, oh my god. Now by the end of the week, investigators had seemingly exhausted


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[Assistant] Very, I can't even say few leads, what no leads they had. Anything they tried to chase down was just nothing. And state police said publicly quote, in this case, we've got to hope that the killer or killers may have told someone who has a conscience who will come forward.


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[Assistant] They were terrified. I don't blame them. And also at the Burger Chef on Crawfords, Crawfordsville Road, the lights of the restaurant, there's this like happy face in the lights. They actually turned it off as like a morning.


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[Assistant] The last kind of thing and I think that's real. I'm like burger chef doing it. For real. Like burger chef is doing the most here and I appreciate it.


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[Assistant] And at this point the investigation is at a complete standstill. We heard that they have partial composite images that they haven't even released yet. Like,


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[Assistant] And the media are about to give up hope that they are gonna be able to get any answers here. And then, and then we go to part two.


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[Assistant] God damn you! I thought you were gonna say, and then this happened, but we'll explore that in part two. We're gonna end in part two. Oh my god, uh. It's, this case is infuriating, and it's so tragic. I mean, these kids were babies, and they were just at their part-time job. Literally, just like- Just, they went to school, and then they went to their job.


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[Assistant] Every, whatever shift they had, and not once I'm sure, did they ever in a billion years think that would be their last shift. That's awful.


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[Assistant] Just overdo it, man. Yeah, you'd rather overdo than underdo. Do too much. No one's going to fault you for doing too much. Cool. You spent an entire


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[Assistant] You know, all your resources of your fucking photographer that night. Whatever. Where else was your photographer? Whatever. Where else was your crime scene technicians? Like, get them out of bed, get them in here, make them snap some photos. If you never use them again, you never use them again. But at least you got them.


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[Assistant] Dust a little bit of fingerprints on some things. That's the thing, had they dust it, I guarantee you this case would be solved right now. Yeah. Because, and photographs, like you can see,


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[Assistant] The minutia, you can see little inconsistencies, you can start to piece things together. I've been hearing the word minutia a lot lately and I don't know what it means.


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[Assistant] I like it. Yeah, thanks. You're welcome. Um, yeah, that's just, and the other thing too is like, I was just saying, I feel like they would have, if they had dusted and gotten a fingerprint, this would be solved because I feel like this doesn't feel like a first time crime. No, it doesn't. Like at all. This feels very like.


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[Assistant] Especially the fact that you know they made them all.


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[Assistant] You've done that before. That's what I would think. But then again, on the same token, two of them we think ran away. Right. That's pretty unheard of.


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[Assistant] To think you're gonna corral four humans with no mishaps is like, that's pretty bold. So that to me says confidence and it says I've done this before. That's what, that's how I feel. But I guess we'll explore more in part two. We sure will, dude.


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[Assistant] I love the different ways in which we cope, cause we both had like a shit day yesterday, and I just did mania at Target.


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[Assistant] Again, I say to you, self-care. Maybe for you, your self-care is the same. It doesn't have to look like everybody else's self-care.


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[Assistant] Now, I know that I've heard of this case, but I don't know if I know exactly what this is. So,


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[Assistant] I'd like to point out that this is your fault as my mother in true crime, so. You failed.


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[Assistant] Because all of them are heartbreaking. I mean it's heartbreaking no matter what, but when you just hear what good people they were through and through.


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[Assistant] Well that's the thing that people don't realize is that depression often leads to like, chronic, chronic fatigue and physical symptoms.


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[Assistant] It sounds like the shitty thing too is that this was in what year? What? This was in the fifties. Yeah, like you were saying the fifties, so it wasn't understood back then. Exactly. Depression, mental health, struggles.


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[Assistant] Where are the authorities? Like, this is the reason why we need more air, more ears, excuse me, in prison. Like, we need this to, we need to know about this before it's able to happen. Exactly, like they're planning.


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[Assistant] It's like a, like a devil angel thing, I don't know.


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[Assistant] You know what though? That's, I think that's what makes it scarier. It's like, a weird comparison, but it's like when your dad is like, hey.


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[Assistant] Stop. And you don't stop. And he's like, cut it out. And you don't cut it out. And he fucking blows up.


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[Assistant] Do you think there was like some weird part of him that was struggling internally whether he was going to or not? I almost-


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[Assistant] I wonder, I was just kinda thinking while you were talking, I wonder if the reason that, one, they didn't write themselves a check, and two, they didn't steal any jewelry, I mean it's weird that they didn't take that envelope of cash, but I guess the jewelry and the check could be traced back to them, so maybe they were thinking that.


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[Assistant] And I can't imagine a funeral with an entire family laid out in caskets next to each other before you.


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[Assistant] I don't get it. Poor him. Poor him. He murdered a whole ass family, ma'am. I don't get that.


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[Assistant] That's not a robbery gone wrong. If you're going in there for the sole sake of robbing, you'd say, yeah, I'll take that check. Bye.


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[Assistant] It's weird because he does have some level of compassion. If you're willing to go away for your entire life and like when you know full well that this other person had just as much as a hand of it in that than you did, excuse me, like that's a level of compassion.


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's like he had compassion, maybe it was like more compassion for Dick because his parents were struggling and then maybe the reason why he was able to kill the clutter family is because like that family represented everything he didn't have.


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[Assistant] But maybe it was just that like, maybe he thought he'd get out of jail early and if he did he'd be a full part of the plan, but because he gave them the diagram and the information in the first place, he was due to get some kind of cut.


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[Assistant] Just based on the fact that he told, that Wells told him that the


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[Assistant] I think I believe that Wells had at least more to do with this than just the information of they had that money.


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[Assistant] You had stuff you could have offered society, that whole family was offering society a shit ton. Yeah, exactly, why did you never offer society anything in the, how old was he, like 29, 30? Yeah, he was like- You had plenty of years to offer society a bunch of shit and all you did was steal, lie, cheat, and kill. So go fuck yourself. And it's like-


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[Assistant] I know and it's weird that we have, we obviously have such different experiences in being interested in true crime.


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[Assistant] But it's funny because we're only 10 years apart and when you think about it, 10 years is not very much, but 10 years really makes all the difference. It does.


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[Assistant] It's so scary though because it's like we say all the time if somebody is like cuckoo kabookoo enough to break into your house not knowing who the fuck you are or what the fuck is inside your house.


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[Assistant] What about his condition made you feel like he was schizophrenic? Exactly. What is that based on?


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[Assistant] Maybe. Imagine? I feel like that'd be a really soothing job. I mean, I don't know what they stuffed mattresses with back then. It's probably poisonous. Probably like asbestos. Probably.


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[Assistant] What kind of standard is that? That's so fucked. If you're a pinup model, you should be killed, but uh, maybe not alone. No, you know what, no.


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[Assistant] Alright, so with that, we are going to be talking about the case of Fatty Arbuckle. Yea, we are. And Virginia Rapay.


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[Assistant] I do wanna give a little warning about this, uh, episode. It is going to be talking about possible rape.


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[Assistant] A lot of times I feel like any case that I've listened to or any, um, episode that I've listened to about this, like he's called fatty, but he didn't like being called fatty. And he was acquitted for this crime. I don't know if he did it either way, but I don't want to call somebody fatty that didn't want to be called that.


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[Assistant] His parents were Molly and William Goodrich and they were of Scottish descent. And by the time they had him, they already had, uh, eight other kids. Okay. Many, many children.


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[Assistant] He was the youngest. And when he was born, it was like kind of a scandal. Because he was born, depending on the source, weighing between 13 and 16 pounds.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the thing was both of his parents had like a slim build and so did all of the other children up until this point and there was eight of them. So they were like, okay.


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[Assistant] So his father, William, was absolutely convinced that Molly had stepped out on him, and that the baby was somebody else's. In fact, that's actually how Roscoe got his name.


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[Assistant] His father was so pissed and angry over the possibility that this kid wasn't his, and to him it wasn't even a possibility. He was like, no, you're not my kid.


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[Assistant] So he, instead of like taking it on the chin, he decided to take his anger out on this newborn baby and name him after a Republican senator that he absolutely despised called Roscoe Conkling.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, um, Roscoe Arbuckle, his middle name was Conkling, just like this guy.


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[Assistant] Now, Molly had a really hard time after Roscoe's birth too, because again, this is the uhm, 1800s, and she just gave birth to a like, 13 to 16 pound baby. That's gonna take a toll on your physical health.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would say so. So incredibly traumatic birth, and for the rest of her life she struggled with health complications. Oh, I believe it. Pretty much, I would say, because of this. And she died 12 years later.


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[Assistant] And at that point, William the Father cut Roscoe off immediately.


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[Assistant] So since he had to support himself now, Roscoe got a job at a local hotel and he was kind of just doing like maintenance jobs, anything they really had for him to do. He was like, I'm 12, I'll do it. So he loved to sing while he was working.


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[Assistant] But one day there was actually a professional singer staying at the hotel and they heard Roscoe singing and they were so impressed with his skill, like so impressed that they invited him to sing at this local talent show.


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[Assistant] Now Roscoe, he went along and he did a little singing, he did a little dancing, and that didn't really, like, do the trick for the audience. They weren't really feeling it. So he kinda started to, like, act out the song a little bit, kinda like a clown, in a clown manner. Yeah, getting goofy with it.


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[Assistant] The audience wasn't impressed with that either. And now, this was like the kind of show where if the audience like booed or heckled or just like made no noise, the person on stage would be pulled off with like- With a cane. With a little bow people. Oh my god. I guess the real name is a shepherd's crook. A shepherd's crook, yea. But I wanted to- I wanted to paint a picture for you.


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[Assistant] Since the audience is booing and heckling, heckling, excuse me, Roscoe saw the crook coming from the corner of his eye, and instead of letting it pull him off stage, he was like, fuck that.


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[Assistant] He, I don't know why, but decided to do a somersault off the stage, lands in the orchestra pit, and the crowd goes fucking wild. Who doesn't love, like, physical comedy? They do, and apparently that was like his thing. He was like, cause he was a bigger dude, he was like a very big stature.


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[Assistant] Cause that's somersault, man. So that night pretty much started his career in vaudeville. Now, we've talked about vaudeville before, but maybe you're a first time listener. Welcome! We love a vaudeville. And if you're unfamiliar with the term, vaudeville originated in France pretty much right after the start of the 20th century.


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[Assistant] And it was this type of theater where the actors would sing, they'd dance, they'd do kinda comedy acts, they were really like light-hearted acts. Yeah, like very physical comedy acts, right? Yes, very much so. They were always light-hearted, they were always comedy-centered, which makes sense because vaudeville originates from the French word, and I'm really trying here, but


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[Assistant] I'm new, so. I'm new to French. I'm new to French. Not really, I've been working on it for a while, but it's hard. You give it a try. Vaudevire, I believe, and that means satirical song. Oh, there you go. So the first songs of that kind of nature, they were written actually in the 15th century by a man named Olivier Basilin.


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[Assistant] And he lived in the valley of Vyre, so when anybody would refer to the songs, they were called songs of the valley of Vyre, but then eventually shortened to Vodvir.


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[Assistant] Anyways, Roscoe's first part in a vaudeville show was with the Webster Brown stock company. And from then until about 1913, when he turned 26, he was doing all kinds of stage acting. He would do acrobatics. He'd act as a clown. Of course he would sing for the audience.


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[Assistant] But his really first, like, good paying job came when he was 17 years old. And he was hired by a man named Sid Grauman to sing at the Unique Theater in San Jose, California. And for this, he would get about 18 bucks a week.


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[Assistant] 1913 in Japan. In that part he played the role of


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[Assistant] Now strangely enough, for like the first like three and a half years there, he didn't get any leading roles or features. He would just kind of be in the background, like as an uncredited actor, and he would always play the role of a policeman.


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[Assistant] I think they just were like, you make a great cop. But so the thing was it was like,


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[Assistant] And throughout his career, he would work with like big name directors a lot.


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[Assistant] And he actually worked with this guy named Henry Lerman a lot, to the point where he only did two movies where Henry wasn't the director. Wow. He really loved him. So Henry started teaching Roscoe all about what went into making a movie, and over time Roscoe started learning more and more about getting involved in the behind the scenes kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] And like I said in the beginning, one thing that he absolutely hated was the nickname that he was given by Hollywood. They always called him Fatty. Like constantly. And that was the name listed whenever he got a film credit. It was Fatty Arbuckle. Oh, that must suck. Which is shitty.


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[Assistant] Well, and the thing is he, like, he did, but he didn't because he never wanted his size to be the butt of a joke. So all the physical comedy that he did, like I said in the beginning, it was more like doing somersaults or falling down in a silly way, but it was never something like being stuck in a space because he was too big for it.


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[Assistant] He started working with a veeeery big name producer. This guy was Joseph M. Schenck. Okay. And he was the husband of Norma Telmalge. And they decided to create a company together called Comique.


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[Assistant] Now, the company not only made him richer than he'd ever been, but also allowed him to be involved in every single one of his roles from start to finish the entire film. And it was at that point that he started working with, I don't know if you've heard of this guy either, Buster Keaton.


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[Assistant] No, everybody. If you are like into like this time, you totally know that he was huge. So since Komik was doing really well, even more of the big name producers in Hollywood were starting to hear more about this Arbuckle character and they're interested in working with him.


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[Assistant] So among some of those big name producers were uhm, Paramount Pictures. Oh. They approached him and they were like, hey, would you ever want to do some long movies instead of like the two real shorts that you're doing right now? Because those were more just kind of like short films. Yea. You want to do some of those long movies? Those long reels? And he was like, I do.


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[Assistant] He must have had some kind of just like star quality, like people were really just, they gravitated to him. He had charisma. He did. Charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent. There you go.


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[Assistant] So Paramount's opening offer for this contract that he signed with them was a thousand dollars a day. Woah. At that time. And on top of that, he would get 25% of all the royalties from every movie he did.


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[Assistant] Neither did I, but I love an old Hollywood case and this is like THE old Hollywood case to be honest. Yeaah. It's wild. So, and it's really devastatingly sad.


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[Assistant] But I'm sure listening you will and let me know what you think. So these three guys, they decide to go head out to San Fran for a long weekend. And they're planning on throwing in absolute banger to celebrate the success of Roscoe's new movie, Crazy to Marry.


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[Assistant] So they check into the St. Francis Hotel and they grab three rooms. They grab 1219, 1220, and 1221.


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[Assistant] One would be used to party hardy and the other would kind of be like bedrooms to crash in.


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[Assistant] These were still prohibition times, so they had to sneak in a shit ton of booze because they were gonna be planning on having a wild party.


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[Assistant] And how did they hide those booze? Roscoe had this like fancy schmancy car that had a hidden bar inside. Oh my god, stop. The prohibition of it all. You pressed a button and like a fucking bar popped out. Can you, like, I want my car, why doesn't my car have a hidden bar?


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[Assistant] Say that. No, it's funny though that you said, um, Great Gatsby, because all I could picture, especially this part of like them driving up to the party, was them driving to the party in the Great Gatsby, where, um- Is it Mabel? Yeah, and it's funny because there's a Mabel in this. Hey, look at that! Wild. But anyway, it's giving me those vibes. So,


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[Assistant] So, Virginia. That's not a dumb name. That's easy to remember. She was a model, an actress, a fashion designer. She had been born in Chicago. Oh my god. And was raised by her mother, Mabel. Whoa! Until she was about 11. But unfortunately, that was how young she was when her mom passed away. And she, it's so young. But she was sent to live with her grandma.


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[Assistant] So when she's just- What's her name? Virginia? Virginia Rapay. It's R-A-P-P-E. And fun fact, she actually added the extra P and E onto the end of her name, cause she thought it was fancier. I love that. I think when she was born it was just Rap, but she wanted Rapay.


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[Assistant] Now, it was good practice for her eventual plan of heading out to California to be discovered, which she would set out to do once she turned 18. But, before making her way out to Hollywood, she decided to trans- uh, just, excuse me, try out San Francisco for a while.


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[Assistant] And when she was there, she met up with a designer named Robert Moskovitz. He would be her first fiance, and he would teach her a ton about fashion. But the engagement was short-lived because he was actually killed in a car accident.


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[Assistant] Now, you know I said this girl was gorge, so it was- She was, I just looked her up. She's the epitome of beauty as far as anybody is concerned, but specifically during this time in Hollywood she was like the poster child of beauty. So it was not hard for her to find work.


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[Assistant] She had like these intense blue eyes, this like beautiful dark hair, impeccable style, cause remember she's a fucking fashion designer. Of course. And she looked young enough to pass for 25 when really she was 30. Get it. But she would always tell people. Get those younger roles. She would tell them she was 25.


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[Assistant] Now throughout her career she would end up being featured in 13 movies, and in some of those movies, you're gonna love this, she starred alongside Rudolph Valentino.


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[Assistant] There's a photo of them together. Love Rudolph Valentine.


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[Assistant] Now, uh, other than Rudolph Valentino, she also actually did a wedding with Arbuckle, and this was called his wedding night. Now, he apparently really took a liking to her, according to some people, during the filming of this.


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[Assistant] And I guess while they were filming this movie, and this is hearsay so we don't know if this is true or not, but I guess while they were filming he wanted to quote unquote play a prank on her. Uh oh. And he asked the security guard for the key to her room.


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[Assistant] But luckily the security guard like wouldn't give the key to the room. He was like, no, I cannot do that. No.


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[Assistant] When you find out what happens later, I think a lot of people were like, did that have ulterior motives? Which I can see.


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[Assistant] entrepreneurial, idealistic, and outspoken, like for women's rights. So, she was a bad bitch. I was just gonna say, so a bad bitch is what you're saying. She was the first person to speak up about any causes close to her heart, and they were nine out of ten times women's rights causes. Good for her. A bad bee. Truly. So, she arrives at this party.


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[Assistant] Also, I didn't realize this until now, but like three names.


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[Assistant] You know what we say about three names. She turns out to be quite truly something.


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[Assistant] So the trio, they get to the hotel around 10.30 that morning, and by all accounts, they got to partying real quick, which like, fucking all the power to them.


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[Assistant] And this point forward, from this point forward, there's like three different versions of events. There's actually really like 305, but for the sake of the story, I'll say three. This person's story, that person's story, and the truth.


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[Assistant] No, not me at all. Are you in there? I'm in there. Okay, so one way or another, Virginia ends up in one of the adjoining rooms with Roscoe and potentially a few other people at some point.


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[Assistant] Now, thinking that she just had too much to drink, I guess they placed her in a cold tub, but at that point it really seemed like she was only like riding around in pain even more.


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[Assistant] The whole do- the hotel doctor thought that she was just drunk and moved her into one of the other rooms after giving her some morphine to sleep it off. Oh, okay. I'm like, wait. Do some morphine about it. You think she's drunk?


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[Assistant] She's like way too drunk in your opinion, so you're gonna give her morphine to top that off? So you drunk her on top of it? Like Jesus. Yikes guys. Eek. So she would spend the next three days in that hotel room, but each day she only got worse. And finally after those three days,


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[Assistant] Somebody calls another doctor, it ends up being believed that it was Maud Delmont who calls this actual doctor.


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[Assistant] And that layer protects not only your like whole ass organ, no, it protects your organs.


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[Assistant] Yes. Now, in Virginia's case, her bladder had ruptured and that's what caused that infection that then led to the intense inflammation. Oh my goodness. So just the thought of that alone.


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[Assistant] So she was probably more like 30 or 31. But okay. Either way, incredibly young. Yeah. And at the peak of her career. That's the thing. She was only going up, you know? No, and she just seemed rad. She did. She really did. You just want to hang with her? I very much do.


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[Assistant] Now immediately, the rumor mill went absolutely bonkers. Yea. And at the hospital, a distraught friend wanted to talk to the police. Hmm. Who were already trying to make sense of how this whole night had turned into what it did. Yea, it's very strange. Now that friend was Maude Delmont.


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[Assistant] So you see the version of events where Roscoe and Virginia ended up in the same room.


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[Assistant] Went a little differently through Mod's point of view, and a few other people's point of view, and we'll get to that when we get to some other stuff.


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[Assistant] Maude told the police that she had seen Roscoe and Virginia chatting and they, and she watched as they had about three mixed drinks together. Now at some point during their chat, Maude heard Roscoe tell Virginia, I've waited for you for five years and now I've got you.


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[Assistant] And so Ma doesn't think much of this until she starts hearing screams coming from the room and she knows that this is her friend. So she starts banging on the door at that point and it's locked and she's like banging on the door, kicking out the door, he won't open it according to her.


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[Assistant] There's a one version where somebody had to come up and open the door, and then there's another version where he finally does open the door.


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[Assistant] But this next part is what's told consistently. He opens the door, he's wearing pajama bottoms and a robe and Virginia's hat propped on his head at a quote unquote comical angle. Like everybody said he was wearing her hat at a comical angle.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. Um, there's a lot of like artist renderings. Now she reported that he had a quote unquote foolish screen smile smeared across his face.


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[Assistant] And when she looked behind him, she claimed that she saw Virginia partially nude on the bed and clutching at her stomach.


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[Assistant] And that the force of his much bigger body on top of Virginia's smaller frame


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[Assistant] Now, Al Semnacher, again, one of Roscoe's good friends and Virginia's manager, claimed that this was true. And he actually took the claim one step further, and I just want to let you guys know this is really rough, so I would skip forward about 35 seconds, 45 seconds.


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[Assistant] He claimed that Roscoe had raped Virginia and also then used a piece of ice to rape her.


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[Assistant] And he was joking about it the next day with some men who had been at the party before, and Al Semnacher was among them.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Yeah. This is horrific. It's really, really bleak. So the newspapers, they get this information, they get like a tidbit of it, and they go fucking bonkers. Like it's like the magazines of today. There were all kinds of salacious rumors spread and stories written because


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[Assistant] And he said that this whole scandal sold more papers than the sinking of the Lusitania.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeah, that's great. Wow. That's one of the largest ships that was ever built, by the way, like during that time and it had sunk back in 1915. Really comparing two equally tragic but entirely different occurrences here, my dude. Like, that's comparing apples to zebras. It definitely is. You're dumb. Wow.


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[Assistant] They create a custom prescription cream for your specific goals, whether that's tackling acne, clogged pores, maybe you've got dark spots or fine lines. You wanna, you know, make your skin texture a little better.


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[Assistant] Anything else that you've got going on with your skin. You're gonna take a short online quiz and you're gonna upload some pics of yourself, take a little selfie. And if it's a good fit, they're gonna ship your formula right to your door. Also, it even has your name on the bottle and that just makes me feel special. I love when products do that.


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[Assistant] Personally, I have started getting my shipments actually every three months now. I just don't really need them as often.


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[Assistant] And it's actually almost been two years since I started using Curology, and I'm gonna be honest with you, again, I'm nothing if I'm not honest. I would never go back.


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[Assistant] When I started noticing my fine lines around my forehead and my eyes, I was like...


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[Assistant] I am too young to be the cryptkeeper. I'm too young for this.


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[Assistant] Spots that I had on my face before are just not noticeable, and my fine lines? They're not either. A lot of you lately have been telling me that I'm glowing and-


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[Assistant] Thank you. I had no idea that the process was gonna be so easy and just the fact that like making a couple simple changes and introducing a new routine, which by the way, it's so easy to introduce this into your routine. It's like it seamlessly fits and I feel so much more confident that is priceless.


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[Assistant] You can start your Curology journey, just like I did, be like your girl Ash, with a free 30 day trial at Curology.com slash morbid. If prescribed, just pay $5 for shipping and handling. That is C-U-R-O-L-O-G-Y.com slash morbid to unlock your free 30 day trial. Cancel anytime, go get that glow.


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[Assistant] With my schedule and how I'm like always go go go go go go go.


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[Assistant] I used to finish a book a night. I've always been an avid reader, but I fell out of it.


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[Assistant] But now I can fall back into it because of audible.


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[Assistant] From bestsellers and new releases to celebrity memoirs, mysteries and thrillers, motivation, wellness, business, anything you like, it's on there. You're gonna discover exclusive Audible Originals from top celebrities, renowned experts, and new exciting voices and audio.


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[Assistant] For some reason, I just love listening to like somebody read a book to me. And I don't know like the hiring process or anything, how this works.


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[Assistant] But I always listen and I'm like, that's how I picture this character sounding. So like, you guys do a great job.