[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Eight aircraft going out to assault a target, then some, some bogeys come out. A lot. And they are gonna try and bring it. And so, does the, do the sections have a overall leader? Yes.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If that guy's not quite as good, but there's a couple pipe hitters in there, all the difference in the world.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Go with the air wing to Fallon, Nevada. How many, how many aircraft roll out on those missions?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And that's the carrier air group going up to Fallon to run big exercises getting ready for deployment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Three, I did three strike group carrier interoperabilities at Fallon. Yeah.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which is just so so lucky on my part as I was a rate for for two miles radio men for one of them I was the Jay assistant platoon commander


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 12, 12 kilometers in a night, lay up for the day.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Recover a downpilot 12 kilometers back out the next night.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Did you ever get to be the down pilot up there? No, never did. I know exactly


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because that guy had to work, walk half those. I think that was not a job most people wanted. Yea, they didn't see it was chilly, it was in winter time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Side track. Two things in, two things in my time in the SEAL teams.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Where I, I got to see something in nature that a normal person doesn't get to see. One of them locked out of a submarine in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and it was


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ocean and it was not it was incredible visibility and there was like a pod of dolphins coming alongside of us and just swimming That's number one number two. I'm in Fallon, Nevada I'm in a helicopter and it's


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Early spring, so there's still snow on the ground and we're flying nap of the earth up through these hills. And we come across a pack.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Of wild mustangs. Horses. That are charging through the mountains. And we're, we're, we're so low close to them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And they're anywhere like slightly above the tree line or whatever. I don't know if there's a tree line, but there's no trees. Various like shrubs and these things are just charged this big pack of wild mustangs. It was freaking epic. One of the coolest things I've ever seen. In nature, that's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. Alright. So.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Leaders at all levels are responsible for their own learning while supporting their subordinates development. Each Marine is either a leader or a future leader, whether by rank or by their experience and influence on other. You know, that's something I said at the early monsters. I think I said every monster, but.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I would say training is the solemn duty of the leaders. Because if you got some training command and they're not doing what they're supposed to do, you need to still do it. You need to make it happen. You're in charge of training.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're in charge of education. You're in charge of making sure people learn.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] An excellent way to master a topic is to endeavor to teach it well to other Marines. Marines can develop leadership skills and improve communication skills through learning. Marines succeed with leadership styles that provide clear intent through mission type orders and decentralized execution. We are in full support of this document. Yes. You want to get good at something by the way? Teach it. Yeah. Teach it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Do you think your leadership capabilities improved since you got to Ashland Front and you teach leadership?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I got so lucky that when I was at SEAL Team 1 as a young enlisted guy, I eventually went into the training cell and taught, and I taught everything. Luckily,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And just seeing it, teaching it, you get so much, such a, such a much better understanding of the subject that you're trying to teach.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How many top gun instructors on average would there be at a squadron? Two. If you were


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Kind of by necessity but also just by design.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It kinda ended up that, when I was in the SEAL teams in the early days, you would go to training cell at a team, the team owned their own training cell, and you'd be in there, and if things worked out because you were, whatever, you didn't have orders for a certain amount of time, or you had already done a bunch of deployments, they'd put you in training cell.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And a lot of guys didn't want to go in a training cell because hey, you know, why would you want to go into training? So you won't, you're there to deploy. And I went into training cell as I was, as I was putting in my officer packages. So it was, Hey, go into training cell and they'll give you some time to get, cause otherwise it's, what are you going to do? Do another deployment? Of course. Of course I'm going to go do another deployment. Luckily the master chief, master chief faculty.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, he told us, if you want to get good at this stuff, you need to teach it. You need to come in here and teach it. And thank God, because that's, was hugely, that had everything to do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Cause you're de facto detached when you're instructing, by the way. When you're watching guys do immediate action drills out in the field or you're watching guys clear in rooms, you are de facto detached. You're literally watching them. So you can see these mistakes and if you pay attention to it, you can learn a lot from it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They build each other up, share experiences and hold each other accountable. This relationship begins with shared experiences in entry level training and instills shared understanding of honor, tradition and the importance of leadership. These are your brothers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Learning is necessary to leadership. Strong leaders promote learning in subordinates.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The number one person that you should be getting to learn is you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, JP was reminding me the other day that at some point I said, hey, you need to start re- like, this was when we were back in-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I told him, hey, here's these websites. You should look at these so you know what's going on in the world. You know, just not even news, but more Intel kind of driven websites.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it's, I didn't remember, as soon as you reminded me, I remember doing that, but that was me saying, hey man, you need to know what's going on here.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Self-directed study in the art and science of war is at least equal in importance to maintaining physical condition and should receive at least equal time.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] At least equal time, you should be working out and studying the profession of arms.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Leaders who set an example with their actions and words that learning is important for the profession of arms inspire other Marines to learn more about the profession and its application. Marine leaders prioritize learning for themselves and others taking an active role to foster and encourage Marine learning. Learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Leaders foster learning by engaging their Marines, taking interest in their wellbeing and supporting their professional development. Leaders are justifiably proud when their Marines succeed. Conversely, leaders help them overcome mistakes when they struggle.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Leaders do not wait for mistakes or failures to highlight a learning opportunity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Leaders provide subordinates with the sufficient freedom of action to learn and develop without ceding responsibility to monitor, supervise and correct subordinates actions when necessary. We cannot rightly expect subordinates to exercise boldness and initiative in the field when they are accustomed to being over supervised in garrison.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So they've, they've embedded decentralized command into the process of learning in the Marine Corps.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Marines who cannot teach will struggle as leaders. Strong leaders do not berate a subordinate for making the first mistake. They turn mistakes into teachable moments.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And someone makes a mistake and you lose your temper. You've just thrown away an opportunity for someone to learn. You've, you've, you've squashed their initiative. All kinds of problems.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The, the idea that you're gonna, you're gonna take people's, uhm, mistakes and turning them into teachable moments, there's like another kind of thing that I would see, and I still see it. And that's this underlying,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Detracts from the learning moment. Just when I let my ego shine through my beady little eyes and, and, and pierce into your ego, it's just detracting from the teachable moment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Clearly that question kinda stumped you on the webinar. You know, why don't, why don't, why don't you, why don't you, uh, why don't you give me a call later and I can help talk you through it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I threw that, I threw that out today, I was like, I, my ego, or my, my test on Jamie, I was like yelling, like pretending like I was gonna yell at Jamie.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, well, I was just using it as an example. Okay. But, Jamie was just smiling because she knows, oh, I know factually that Jamie would be like, oh, okay, Jocko, I appreciate it, let me, let me go find out, cause she would just.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because she's dealing with this crap all day long, you know, that's what she does. You know, so, she keeps it real. Real, real. Alright. General John A. Lejeune. 13th Commandant of the Marine Corps, World War I.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] General, the relations between officers and enlisted men should in no sense be that of superior and inferior, nor that of master and servant, but rather that of teacher and scholar. I wanna hold up right there. Because that right there,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is not correct. And if there's a second lieutenant in the United States Marine Corps,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And he's working with his gunnery sergeant. He is by no means, by any stretch of the imagination, the teacher.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To a student at all, it's the opposite actually.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, if you were to take a look at this in present tense, it would read a little bit differently. It goes on. In fact, it should partake of the nature of the relationship between father and son. Again, that's not a great analogy because if, unless you're now flipping it to the gunny is the dad and the second lieutenant is the, is the son.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, to the extent that officers, especially commanding officers, are responsible for the physical, mental, and moral welfare as well as the discipline and military training of the young men under their command. That is true.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're gonna have to bring him on here and get some good stories about second lieutenant. We should bring- You weren't second lieutenant, huh? Were you- First lieutenant at the time. You were first lieutenant by the time you got to- To the fleet.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is a little bit off. A little bit off. I think it's more like...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you, if you were just to say universally on this quote, universally what marines are to each other, marines are to each other, you know, cause I can always learn. I can learn from the most junior guy. I can learn from the most senior guy. So just depending on what dynamics are happening in that relationship, you, you know, I might be the,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The master in one situation and 20 minutes later you're the master. Right? That can happen. Cause there's different parts of knowledge. And you gotta be open and flexible to do both of those.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Continuing on, leaders who encourage an open discussion with their Marines about how thoughts and actions contributed to outcomes will have greater successes at teaching compared to leaders who simply point out mistakes for a Marine to improve upon without context or explanation.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, and again, I think that's some old school, at least in the SEAL teams, that was more old, and it wasn't always like this, but there would certainly be some guys in the SEAL teams in the, when I was in the 90s, that their role as an instructor was to point out your mistakes and tell you how to do it right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Not a conversation, just, just instruction, just direction.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That direction is like rote memorization. You tell me to memorize something? Cool, I'll remember, I'll memorize it. I'm actually really good at memorizing things. I'll memorize it. But...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I, what I really don't want, what I really want to do is not memorize something. I want to learn how to calculate what to actually do based on thought.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Little note on here about constructive feedback. The goal is not a simplistic discussion of the right answer according to the leader's personal views, but rather for the Marine to develop greater self-awareness.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] An understanding of the situation and task and to be able to adapt the lessons learned for future situations.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I wanted to get an A on the test. Yeah, you said this about OCS as well. Or, did you go to OCS? Or TBS?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] TBS. Yeah, memorize this. Hey Roger that. I will memorize this. I will make flashcards. I will memorize this. And it would have been so much better if...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Every minute that I had spent memorizing things, I was actually having a legitimate conversation about what the meaning of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How am I putting it in context with what I've been through? How are you putting it through context with what you've been through?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then how can someone that's listening take that and tie them together and say, okay,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, there's, you know, as soon as you hear me read from a book,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then say, oh, that reminds me of, I'm just at that moment in time, giving you another angle, another piece of context, another way to triangulate that idea in your own head, which is what makes it


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Worth. Otherwise grab, otherwise people just grab the audiobook or just read the book. Yeah, cool. I read the book.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Learning, it's an exponential pressure on my brain.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Continue on, for example, providing topic areas for discussion using the Socratic method, asking and answering questions to simulate critical thinking, draw out ideas,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is constructive positive feedback makes learners aware of what they did correctly, reinforces desired behaviors and identifies areas to improve negative feedback that unnecessarily tears a marine down seldom leads to effective learning and can stifle initiative.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a different mindset. This is the type of thing, Echo, when you're talking about


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Priming, you know, and priming your brain. If you're in an instructor situation,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just reading that right there before you go and instruct your class.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The next section, oddly enough, is called Humility. That's the name of the section, by the way. It's just Humility.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When, when you, when you are a 15 year old kid, and you are thinking about which branch of service you are going to join,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then you are very rapidly coming to the conclusion that the best branch of service for you to join would be the Marine Corps. You are not thinking about humility. No. You are not thinking about humility.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're thinking, we are the best. The Marine Corps is the best. I'm going in the Marine Corps because they are the best. There's no humility in that whatsoever. And you end up realizing that that's wrong.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And one of the things that makes the Marine Corps great and makes any


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Organization grade is humility, which is why they have a section called humility. Here we go back to the book. All marines, especially those in positions of leadership, can learn from anyone if they are ready and willing to learn. However, ego can hinder learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Commanders, other leaders and instructors learn from the marines in their charge while also leading those marines to learn. So this is what we just said. I can learn from anybody. I can learn from anybody in chain and command.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Leaders recognize that humility is a part of the career long learning process. The best leaders at the highest levels recognize that the more they learn, the more they need to learn. And they set the example for their subordinates.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] How much you don't know. That's the initial stages of jiu jitsu.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You get the, after like your third class, when you think you mastered the


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Whatever, the two moves that you learned, and then you realize, oh wait a second, this never stops.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So we seek out those who are experts and learn from them regardless of relative rank or position.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To provide honest professional opinions even though these might be in disagreement with the seniors opinions. As I call that pushback. I want pushback, I need pushback, that's how we pressure test our ideas.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hey, what if it's illegal, immoral, unethical? We're still gonna push back. What if it means?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hey, we could get a lot of guys died, killed here unnecessarily. We're still gonna push back. Leadership strategy and tactics cover that whole thing in ad nauseam.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm trying, I'm sitting here, I was, I was kind of racking my brain over here thinking about why is it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Was never, was rarely that I can even remember in a situation where...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Why is that? Why is it that throughout my career and life


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So seldom that I can't remember an example of where I said, hey listen,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're not, this is the plan we are going with. Why is that? I'm sitting here trying to rack my brain and it's pretty obvious and it's like this. If Dave comes to me with his idea and his idea sucks, it's very easy to explain to him that his idea sucks.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And he goes, yeah, you just poked 14 holes in my 15 ideas. So obviously, that's not squared away.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When you are that right, it's pretty easy to win an argument. And, and I'm decent at arguing, so if Dave comes to me with a crappy idea, it's not hard for me to go, yeah Dave, I get what you're trying to say, but this, this, this, and this. And Dave goes, oof, okay, I'll go back to the drawing board. So, so that's one reason.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When I'm right about my decision, it's because you're freaking just wrong. You've come in with a bad idea.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So that's, that's half of the solution. That's half the reason why I'm not saying, hey everyone, no more discussion, this is what we're doing. That's 50%. The other 50% is because


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When Dave comes to me and says, Hey, here's what I think we should do. And it's.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 13 or 12 of the points are pretty good, and even though I could lock down 15 out of 15, I'm totally good with going, sounds good Dave, you win. Roll with it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And what does that mean? The amount of times, cause otherwise if I say no Dave, my 15 points are Betty and you're like no my 13 and we get in an argument about it and finally I say shut up and go do what I told you to do and now you go do it and you resent it and you're pissed off and whatever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 50% of the time, or 50%, the solution for me is, hey, you're so wrong that you can't argue with me.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I don't say that, but I just point out all the things and you go, yeah, good point, good point, good point. And, and you're not gonna, you're not gonna fall on your sword when you are just blatantly wrong. People don't do that. Even the most, even the most dug in person when they get shown the 19 reasons why they're wrong, they retreat.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So therefore we all go out with the same plan. Or you come into a plan that's freaking close and I go, sounds great man. Let's execute.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Same thing. Most of the time, when my boss had a bad idea, I was able to articulate and convince him of a new way of doing it that made more sense. Or, I was able to say, you know what? That'll work.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I can make that work. I can make anything work. I can make that work. You know, this isn't a, this isn't a suicide mission. This may not be perfect, but I can go out there and mitigate the little downfalls, no factor.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So that's why when I read these things, it's like, I know what they're talking about, but I very rarely experience it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Very rarely experience it. I can't, even at Echelon Front, the amount of times I've said, alright guys, lock it up, this is what we're doing. I think we've talked about one of them as like a PT evolution at the muster, muster four or something.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Brief me on what we're gonna do tomorrow and we can do a run, a dry run and all that. I would have been able to say, hey,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We could have gone through the cycle of actually figuring out A, whether that plan would have worked, which it might have, or B, what little adjustments we need to make and then everyone's happy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This mentality of open discussion hinges on the leader's willingness to remain humble and accept honest feedback. Therefore, all Marines prepare themselves to become leaders by exercising humility and being open to constructive feedback.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Boom. This is a message to everyone in the world.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Continuing on the path to mastery starts out, starts with a sense of humility.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The path to mastery starts out with a sense of humility. Marines recognize that they do not know everything and therefore must remain humble as they pursue greater understanding and competence. Marines should always recognize that there will be more to learn and they must embrace their curiosity in order to continuously learn.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Tying back to what I started this whole thing off with, me like wanting to know a better way. Is there a better way to do this? Is that tradition right? Is that standard operating procedure correct?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When a Marine begins to feel more confident, it is because he or she is closing the gaps between their goals and their actual capabilities. Reaching a goal along the path to mastery is an indication that it is time to move on to a more challenging goal. Boom.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Next section, technical and tactical proficiency. Marines begin their pursuit of mastery by developing brilliance in the basics of technical and tactical proficiency.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] At all levels, technical and tactical proficiency requires Marines to reflect upon what they have learned, identify learning gaps, and close them. Self-reflection enables Marines to evaluate the quality of their practice, recognizing that deliberate, purposeful, quality practice leads to mastery.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Incorrect practice and lack of focus does not lead to perfection. It leads to negative training that could be transferred into the battle space.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Marines focus on doing the basics correctly, building speed and agility.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, no reason to get crazy. It's a pick and roll.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Marines build foundational technical skills such as marksmanship and operating as part of a


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Team in entry level training. Marines learn to be technically proficient as riflemen, which provides a common identity among all Marines.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The larger lesson for Marines, for all Marines to learn, is the hard work, dedication and persistence required when seeking self-improvement. Hmm.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's what you're learning in bootcamp. That's why every Marine is a rifleman. Yeah, look, do we need you to know how to work your rifle? Yes, we do. What's more important than that is the lesson that you learn and that it takes hard work, dedication and persistence. That's what it takes. That's what you learn from becoming a rifleman.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Marines build on this lesson as they move on to the next technological challenge.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then it kind of advances here into the larger picture.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Marines develop teamwork and competencies so that they are technically and tactically proficient as individuals, teams, units, and MAGTFs.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Collective learning experiences build teamwork that enables success. Teamwork building exercises provide the opportunity for Marine leaders to both lead the development of their Marines teamwork and learn from these exercises.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's the, that's the big separation between like basic seal training and even the net, when you get done with basic seal training, then you go to seal tactical training or what they call it now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Aseal qualification training. Both those are pretty much individual skill sets. It's not until you get into a seal platoon, now it's collective learning. Now you're learning how to do things as a platoon, which is totally different


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And yet builds upon what you learn to do as an individual.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's pre-deployment workup. Pre-deployment, pre-deployment training cycle. I usually call it advanced training even though technically


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That is run is actually advanced individual training. That's what they call advanced individual training. Which is, hey, you're gonna learn to be a sniper. You're gonna learn to be a parachute rigger. You're gonna learn to be a medic. Those things are advanced training is what they call it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The simplest way to explain what I did is I just call it advanced training.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a seal that would be sitting in the audience going, you didn't run advanced training.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like, no, I ran advanced collective platoon training. So a simple way to put it is to say advanced training, even though there's a technical


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There's a, there's a command called Advanced Training. It's A-T-C. Advanced Training Command. And they teach dive supervisor. They teach radioman. They teach individual skills. But it's...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What I taught was the advanced, and usually what I actually call it is advanced tactical training because that's what it was. That's what it still is. It's advanced tactical training. It's how do you. And that's the units. Collective unit level training. And actually now that you


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Say it. What I actually taught is called ULT. Unit Level Train On It.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, unit level training evolves all the time. All the time, right? Buds is a, Buds is what Buds is. Yeah. And you can, you know, there's, there's some, if, if, if somebody that went through Buds in 1964,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Went and watched Buds right now, they would go, oh yea, oh yea, they'd get a lot of reminders. If they came and watched Isil Platoon going through urban warfare training, they'd be like, damn.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They'd say damn. Now, the land warfare stuff...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Has been, eh, it's, it's really been very similar. Uhm, although, no, I can't even say that because we have the, the, the


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Laser tag system, we got all the pu- they would do pyro and stuff, but we- the laser tag system and the paintball and stuff was just-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I was around when paintball started to come out in the SEAL teams and it changed everything for us. It changed everything for us because unfortunately most of the Vietnam guys were gone and so


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All of a sudden we started doing rote things. Rote things, meaning here's the problem, here's the solution.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's not that it's worthless because you will learn what the mechanics of movement are.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, and we used to do this too, we would do no fire drills, where, hey, you're gonna get contacted from a bunch of different places, but you're not shooting. Or we used blanks, we used ditzgear, did you ever use ditzgear?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh no, it's not ditzgear, it's milesgear. Yeah, for sure. So ditz was like the modern, for us in the SEAL team, ditz was the modern version of milesgear. Milesgear was kind of, it had a lot of, uh, it had a lot of,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had a lot of issues with Miles Gear, the old Miles Gear that we had in the 80s and 90s. It wasn't, you know, it didn't work really well, and it was just, it wasn't great. And, you couple that with a bad attitude. Which is, here's something I heard, back in the day, was uhm, was, it's gonna give you training scars. Like they would say that about paintball.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They'd say, hey, if you're using paintball guns, you're gonna get training scars, meaning


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm gonna forget how to load my real weapon cause I'm used to reloading a paintball gun.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And so now when the moment hits, I'm fumbling around looking for a hopper to put my more paintballs in.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To go back to your point, and I see where you're going with this, the basic level training of individuals


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Has advanced and evolved a lot less than the unit level training where we were constantly adapting from what was happening on the battlefield. Was that similar for you guys? I mean, if somebody went through flight school right now, it would look very similar to World War II flight school.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And they mentioned that here just a little bit ago. They're saying, look, what Marines do is get brilliant.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] At the basics. Yeaah. And, and when I was running trade at...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I changed it from basic to fundamental.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because it's truth. Because guys would think, well I'm walking into the basics. But these are fundamental. Right? Fundamental. This is what it actually all boils down to. These things. These fundamental things. And you know what?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There have been changes, but guess what's never changed? Cover and move. Totally. Keep the things simple. Prioritize next year. Decentralize command. Those things have not changed. And I don't foresee them trying to change that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Strong leaders are also teachers and mentors. Every Marine is a current or future leader and therefore leads by example to seek learning opportunities for themselves and other Marines.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All marines, especially those in positions of leadership, should strive to remain humble, so they are ready and willing to learn from anyone, at any time, in any place.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Learning is an institutional priority and a professional expectation for all Marines.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Continuous, disciplined, and progressive learning is necessary for warfighting readiness.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Learning is the foundation for all that Marines do.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Learning is the key enabler for all warfighting functions and our purpose as the nation's naval expeditionary force in readiness. Marines learn to quickly recognize and understand important information, adapt, make sound decisions, and act.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which is especially important in the fog and friction of war.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] All Marines must understand that continuous learning is a priority and key to our readiness as the nation's first line of defense. Always being ready to be the first to fight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's the last line of that document, aside from a giant bibliography of all the different documents that they cite in there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Many of which are actually other Marine Corps pubs, which would seem like oh that's incestuous if those original pubs weren't so freaking solid.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But that idea that learning is the foundation for all that Marines do and it's the key enabler. The key enabler to be able to collect, absorb, and understand information and then use that information to make good decisions and execute is all, all based on learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And that obviously doesn't only apply to Marines.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What is this, about a month cycle of us with this document? It's been about a month?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What a better understanding of what I haven't realized fully what it is, but I have a better understanding of learning and that I have been learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] More important, what difference it makes when you are proactively learning. When you are actually engaging. You're, you're putting pressure on your brain to proactively learn.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Makes a huge difference. Learning because you're experiencing something, or learning because you are being taught. Like, think of those two things. Learning because you're experiencing it, and learning because you're being taught. That's one level of learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then you have that knowledge and you use it and you apply it and that is the deal. That is the game changer and that is learning.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then I thought you were going to say the key phrase, the application of knowledge. Actually being able to use it is where that connection gets made. So, when you teach your son how to do something that he can apply immediately,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's fun! Imagine if in Jujitsu, what you had to do was do an armlock on a, on a, uh, uh, uh, what is it, a grappling dummy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That, that's what your lessons were. Would that be fun? Right? Marginal.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, how many arm locks have you done on training partners? One million. Exactly. So, this, every, what, what, you said Dave, totally accurate.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And I think where that connection actually gets made is when you are, have the capability, have the opportunity to apply that knowledge. So if you teach your kids something and all of a sudden they go to the store and you go, hey, it's 78 cents. You know, get out the coins and the kid gets to take out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, as much as we can, if we can teach people something


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then we find an avenue for them to actually apply that knowledge. And who knows, maybe this could, maybe the, the, the goal is to actually teach people in stages where you're teaching them things that they can actually apply. Like if you can set it up that way, that you're not trying to teach them advanced physics.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Before, but when there's no application for it, but then when they get to a point where you can start to say, Hey, you want to check out, you want to know what the tide's going to do? We can actually figure that out from a, from, from astrophysics. We can actually figure that out. Here's what it is and here's how it works. And then people say, ah, so yeah, application of knowledge. What do you think Dave?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This scientist from 1820, the better you'll be able to relate to this artist in 1904. Like those things are real.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The mind, the brain is a muscle that the more you use it, the more you utilize it, the better you can respond. And so, yeaah, I think you're actually absolutely right.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's when, when, and I was kinda stuck in the six year old brain, right? Cause it's really hard to explain to a six year old, hey, this math that you're learning,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So finding it, finding the application of it and when you recognize


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Those modalities, and by the way, those modalities


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] As soon as you step into some other modality, if you have the open mind, you see the application again, and you see it again, and you see it again. I mean, we do this all the time at Eslon Front, we're working with a company that we've never worked with this company before, and you take a look at what they're doing, how they're doing it, and you can apply the principles that we know.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And if you don't understand that, look, you gotta take this little piece of this, this principle and this little piece and you put them in place. And look, we get people at Echelon Front, clients that they've read the book a thousand times. They've listened to every single podcast. And as soon as you roll in and you start talking about it,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They don't quite have the skill yet of maybe how to apply it. And as soon as they see how it applies, all of a sudden their mind expands and you go back three months later and now they don't need, they don't need us anymore. They don't need us anymore. They've figured out the application process and that's where they go next level.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, that's why it's important for parents, teachers, human beings to try and


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Get the kids to recognize what that thread, that that thread ties everything together. The long, cause if we're learning for short term.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We're learning for short-term, and it's hard to see where it all ties into.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We are making jeans. We are back in the game. Jeans are being made. You can order them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And you will get them. We have, we're making, so, if you don't know, we started making masks, face coverings actually, because we don't want people to get confused and think that this is an N95 masks, they're not, but,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You're outside. Started May 1st. No kidding. Yeah. So anyways, at Origin we started making masks so that people


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Face coverings. So if you want to get those, go to originmain.com. You can also get a bunch of other clothes, including jeans. Yes. You can also get, let's say you're in lockdown at your house. You didn't have a gym. No gym. Your gym is shut down because of COVID-19.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now you have no weights, no gym. What are you going to do? Well, you want to workout. You want to train.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Guess what you can get from origin main? Two items right now.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Plyo Box, right? You wanna get your jump on.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah pushups, yes jumps, yeah all that stuff. You know what else I do? Stretch.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Get yourself in positions that force you to stretch and I am not a good stretcher.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a leather kettlebell. So it shows up to your house with no weight.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then you can fill it with whatever you want to fill it with. My recommendation actually, pennies. Go to your bank, go to your bank and get 50 to 75 dollars worth of pennies.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Load them into the burden. So, uh, uh, stitch it up. Not stitch it, but you tie it up. It's like shoelaces. And then you have, you got about a 30 to 40 pound kettlebell depending on how much you fill it up.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The cool thing, 40 pounds might seem light for a kettlebell.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you've never used a kettlebell before and you don't work out, you're going to be surprised. 40 pounds is heavy. It's more than you're going to have to go lighter than that. But dealing with the burden because it's pliable.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's actually harder to you, it's harder to work with than a kettlebell. So, like you know a kettlebell is harder to work with than a barbell because it's odd shape and it's whatever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Kinda savage workouts, just with the burden.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, well, we sold out immediately, but we got more leather. So we're back in the game. Making them happen. Making them happen. More burdens. Yes, more burdens for the world.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, eh, we spun up some more cold war too. So, yeah, if you, if you need that little immune system hater, you can jump on the cold war and get some of that. Uh, the cans.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Of Discipline Go. Ready to drink. And there's a new flavor that will be coming out. Actually there's a couple new flavors that will be coming out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] One of them is called Sour Apple Sniper. The JP Danel signature!


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Afterburner Orange, the Dave Burke signature model.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then Echo Charles, we don't have a name, we don't even have a flavor yet, but I sensed in the room today when we started talking about Afterburner Orange,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, it's just gonna take, it takes iterations to get it there. The, I mean for the first MOLC,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For mintmulk, I went through 10 iterations. Tried again, tried again, tried again, and then finally I was like, yep, there it is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, all that good stuff. Warrior Kid Mulk. Jocko White Tea. Man, I made a Jocko White Tea the other day, like, from the tea bags. That is so legit. And, uh, all this stuff is available at the Vitamin Shop. If the Vitamin Shop is open in your area right now, since we're all in lockdown, you can check it all out there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Subscribe to the podcast if you haven't yet. Leave a review.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So we can read it. Hopefully it's funny. Hopefully it's impactful. Also, got some other podcasts. Got a podcast called The Thread.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What is it called? Yeah, it is called the feed. Yeah, that's true. So there's a, there's a different feed for the thread. There's a different feed for grounded. So the thread is about, well, it's about what we were just talking about, the thread of things, how things connect together in the world. And we, myself and Darryl Cooper of Marder Maid, uh, have been doing that podcast. It's been,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's been wild to be honest with you. He's bringing things up in my mind, uh, making me remember things. One of the coolest things that he made me remember was this conversation with contractors. I'm in Baghdad at 2003, 2004 and there's contractors that show up in Baghdad. These guys are Blackwater guys or whatever, triple canopy guys. And these guys come in to our compound and, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They just kind of arrived in country, and a couple of them are former SEALs, you know, probably in the 90s, no combat experience, and they're talking to us, and you know, we're looking at their gear, and we're kind of giving them a heads up, and I, I, that Daryl, cause he's good like this,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We were asking the guys, because they were, they were about to go to Fallujah. And they were taken up armored.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Ford Explorers, which sounds badass, but the up-armored Ford Explorers were actually horrible. All they were was a regular Ford Explorer, two-wheel drive Ford Explorer with like a little bulletproof


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] glass mounted inside of it. They didn't make any adjustments to the suspension. They didn't make any adjustments to the power. It was just, they were junk. And so we're looking at these guys getting ready to go in Fallujah.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, we're asking, hey, do you have this? Do you have this? Do you have a radio? Do you have this? And then it's like, hey, do you have run flats for your, for your Ford Explorers? And they're like, no.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And, and Daryl named the podcast, you know, Do You Have Run Flats? And it's such a great name because that


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And these guys are just showing up and we knew how bad things could get and how quickly they could get bad.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And these guys who had just showed up had no idea what they were getting into. And, uh, within a month, uhm, the contractors that got


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That got ambushed in Fallujah and strung up on the, on the bridge.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Now we're there. So we go into all kinds of things like that type of story, like that type of information, which I really haven't talked about in that podcast, The Thread. And we're gonna, where we got China coming up, we're going deep on China.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, and so we also have the grounded podcast, which is about jiu-jitsu. We have the warrior kid podcast, which is for our warrior kids. Latest, latest episode, I think it's the latest episode is about Johnny Kim.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Johnny Kim's on it. Guest, guest starring astronaut, doctor, and seal. Johnny Kim.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yes. That was a massive hesitation. Wear your kid soap, get some killer soap for yourself, and that way you, your family, everyone you know,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Actually, I'm not sure how clean that YouTube channel is. Why can't you just go in and do like, uh, you need to make channels within the channel. One that says, you know, whatever you call hype videos or what are those things?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Enhanced videos, you should have enhanced videos, you should have excerpts, you should have the thread, you should have grounded, you should have grounded all in separate channels. That's my humble opinion. You know what? I'll go home and do it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We got psychological warfare. If you need a little.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] A psychological hitter to push you through a moment of weakness. You can check that out wherever mp3


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Wherever MP3, I was gonna say songs, but they're not songs. Wherever MP3 audio is coming at you, check it out. Psychological Warfare is the name of that. FlipsideCanvas.com. Dakota Meyer making psychological warfare for your eyeballs.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Go to flipsidecanvas.com Books, we got some books. What book? How about the code?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The evaluations. The protocol. Dave Burke. How's it going?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's going pretty good. Uh, are you happy with the product?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Just at least like, hey, and you also look at some cookies and you say, no, I'm not going to go to zero. No, I'm not. They found was telling me he had a little scenario unfold and he was like, this could be a zero zero.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I had a little scenario yesterday. Just had to throw up a zero.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Donuts. No, no, I'm never gonna eat donuts again. If you see me eating donuts, you can stab me in the face. Um, cause I'm just not gonna do it. But, uh, just straight up American bacon cheeseburger.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And a salad. I would still not even be able to dig out of the hole. French fries. I don't eat French fries.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To survive you, and you didn't do anything that took you going backwards. Yea, but like what? There's no french fries involved. If you eat french fries in the day, you're not getting a one. Okay.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We gotta look at what is, what is it that you've set up for yourself, right? Because some people, if you're running a marathon, all of a sudden you're gonna need certain foods that you would not need had you been trying to cut weight or had you been trying to gain weight, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Four zero is did not eat properly and did not provide any nutritional benefit to perform critical daily tasks. That's your donuts and a pizza. Right, you're just getting a zero. Five, consumed ideal.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's just a little guilt cause it tastes so good. Leadership strategy and tactics are the code. You can get that one. It's up and running. We had a little lag time. I apologize. I didn't realize that every single person was going to buy it immediately. We're back up to speed. Sorry about the delay.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uhm, we also have Leadership Strategy and Tactics Field Manual. We have Way of the Warrior Kid 1, 2, and 3. We have Mikey and the Dragons. We have Discipline English Freedom Field Manual. We have Extreme Ownership and the Dichotomy and Leadership.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] We also have Echelon Front, which is our leadership consultancy where we solve problems through leadership. Go to echelonfront.com for details. A lot of that right now is taking place on EF online. You heard me reference it a bunch today. Go to efonline.com. If you want to interact with us,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Check it out, we're on there, we're live, not just me, but all the instructors at Echelon Front, different times a day, different subjects, lots of interaction, Q&A, leadership primer, we talked about that, immediate action drills, all kinds of stuff going on, efonline.com, check that out. Muster 2020.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Orlando's cancelled. Phoenix Arizona is up next. September 16th and 17th and then Dallas Texas December 3rd and 4th. Check ExtremeOwnership.com if you want to come. We cancelled an entire muster with 900 people.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Some of those people are going to Phoenix and or Dallas. So those are going to sell out earlier than we thought. Get on it earlier if you want to go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And of course we have EF Overwatch and EF Legion. If you are in the military, go to eflegion.com and enroll. There's companies that are hiring right now. Even though there's companies that are laying people off and furloughing, there are other companies that are exploding in growth and need people.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] EF Overwatch is a, for companies that are searching for executive position. EF Legion are looking for frontline leaders, frontline managers to make things happen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Also, America's Mighty, MightyWarriors.org. This is Mark Lee's Moms.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Charity organization helping service members worldwide go to americasmightywarriors.org.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Donate. You can donate right there. There's a little section that says donate and she spreads the love to service members, their families, and gold star families.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Then you can locate us on the interwebs, as well as Twitter, on Instagram, and on the face.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Dave is at David R. Burke, Echo is at Echo Charles, and I am at Jocko Willink, and to all the men and women out there in uniform, our military members who fight and risk it all for our way of life, thank you to the police and law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Thank you all for taking care of us here on the home front and to all the doctors, nurses, and medical personnel that are working to keep us safe and healthy. Thank you for dedicating your life's work to the care of others. And to everyone else out there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Remember that you are your own commander. You are in charge of your life. You are the general.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I recommend jiu-jitsu, obviously. But interestingly, right, so Pat Mack, he's over here jumping at all opportunities to improve his skillsets. Every training scenario he was offered, jumped on it. Yup. Then what do you wind up with?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] A lot of skill sets. Yep. Very good. So many skill sets that you kind of forget you have them until the moment comes and you're like, oh, you know, I can do that, right? Did that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's true. So when we train jiu-jitsu, we need the jiu-jitsu gi, if we're doing gi, which we recommend doing gi, so we are, in fact, doing gi. So.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's the answer. Best gi factually in the world. Many options.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Quality. Arguably luxury. Arguably. Oh.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Nonetheless, it's functional as well. More importantly, and just so happens to be made in America.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] On purpose. It's not happenstance. Straight up on purpose.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeaah, so one time I actually made, no, one time, where I was up later than my lovely wife. I didn't want to go in the room and like disturb her, maybe wake her up or something like that, to go get a jacket, it was kind of cold, so I went to put on a jacket.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I mean, I guess I could've, but it kind of, it's not functional, you know, it'll get in the way when you're typing, you gotta readjust, anyway.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Find the riff-gee. I put it on, it worked. See what I'm saying? Yeaah. So that, there, there, uh, I was there, sitting there, wearing my gee-top outside of the gym.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But your legs don't get cold, right? That whole thing. You know, your legs don't- Yeah, I don't know, I don't remember, but I think it was pants of some sort. Alright. Nonetheless, yes. We're getting orgingy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They're not jeggings though. You know what jeggings are? No.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They're leggings, but jeans. Oh wait, no, no, they just look like jeans, but they're leggings. Oh. So they're not jeggings.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Hey, you're the one who said the stretch. You said the word stretch. Not me, you. So, unless, we gotta clarify. So, Delta 68 jeans have some give in them. Let's just say that. Have some give in them. They allow you to move.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You wanna do a high kick? Or something like this? Fine. Right? You're good. Okay. Boom. There you go. Delta 68 jeans are in the house as it were. Also joggers. Comfortable joggers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Joggers. In the event of you wearing joggers, boom. OriginMain.com. That's where you get this stuff. Also supplements. Jocko. Are supplements important? They are important.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And again, not to split it and not to get pushed too, uh, sharp of a point on it. But it depends what kind of supplements.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'll tell you the reason, man. Short term versus long term.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's everything. Everything can be broken down in the short term versus the long term. So you can give your kids poison, as it were.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or these supremely unhealthy, uh, items for short term gain. To keep them quiet, to keep them from complaining, to make, to put a temporary smile on their face.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Most of the time. By most, I don't know really what I mean by most, but we'll just say most of the time. Usually, if you choose short term, it's at the expense of the long term. Usually. There are exceptions, but every once in a while you get something that fulfills both short term and long term. Sushi, in my opinion.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Warrior Kid Monk. That's another exception. Short-term gains. Short-term.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Long term, uh, not only satisfaction, but long term gains.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Also, Jocko's store, it's called Jocko's store and this is where you can get your very own t-shirts, your very own rash guard, more rash guards.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] More representative of this path that we're all on. Hats. Hoodies. I don't know if I said hoodies already, but they're on there. Some women's stuff on there too. Real good stuff. Good way to support. And more importantly, good way to represent.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Also, subscribe to the podcast if you haven't already on your iTunes or Stitcher, wherever you listen to it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's a good benefit to subscribe, right? You get the episode right in your, I don't know if you call it the inbox or what, but you get it on your phone.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So currently we're finalizing some stuff, but I did get my sample of the killer soap. And? Very good. Approved. Big time, right? It actually smells kind of good too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and it's not one of these flowery ones, which I dig it. Here's the thing, I'm not mad at flowery soaps. I am. Okay, oh, I dig it. I fully dig it, but I am not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In fact, every once in a while, I appreciate a little, maybe not necessarily flowery, but, you know, like an Irish, uh, you know, like a refreshing, you see what I'm saying. Nonetheless, the killer soap has a scent to it, it's mild, but an approved scent to it. I like it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's good. That's a good, uhm, thing to be helped with for sure. Also, we have a YouTube channel.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] No, no, no, it's the Wii. You're on the YouTube channel. In fact, bro, let's face it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] See what I'm saying? But if you didn't or you want to see more, whatever, whatever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like I said, non-rigid. So, you know, you come up with an idea, you get reminded of something or inspired, whatever, and then you're like, oh yeah, that'd be cool if I did this, and then it hits like a first, the first small roadblock, and you're like, okay, that's not a good idea. Like, kind of the realism of the world kind of introduces itself.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh no, not even, we're not even there yet. I think that's like the third layer, whatever. The second layer is kinda like, you kinda think of all the criteria and all the elements of the world that need to fit in place for this to be a good idea. It's like, oh yeaah, it's kinda clicky, you know?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, and yeah, exactly, yeah, and there's a lot of those little crates, like now I could look at them and be like, okay, that was a good idea for that time, but if I finish this now, I won't land now, that'd be like, everyone would be like, oh, that's kind of old school concept kind of thing, and yeah, it's a whole spectrum of things. There's probably more videos and stuff like that than in that bank than out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, I think you're correct at the end of the day. As long as it gets like, through those, however many layers, I'm sure we all have different layers of approval in our own head. But then, as long as it passes kind of that, that one standard layer that it needs to pass. You know? You know the one where you're like, you know what?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Once it gets to that level and then you don't do it, then yes, I agree 100%. It's a sin.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Even if it ends up not being a good idea, and it gets judgment by the world or whatever, like the fact that it's out, like that is the reason. It's true, that's true for everything. That's true for your own face. Really.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, that's the counter to the common


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Maybe if you're building cohesiveness within a team, sure, you know, it could apply. You see what I'm saying? Or let's say you're a writer, which I'm not by the way, so that's hypothetical, and you do it to facilitate your creative process.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So that self-reflection, right, thing, where, you know how...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it's like, man, you kind of know in the back of your head straight up consciously though, like I should be working harder and that kind of like demonstrates it for it. It's like a reminder of how hard you could be working, but you're not. I don't like that feeling. So, Hey, if you just stopped working hard, I wouldn't have to like.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, especially when those people are like close to you. Which, you know, I guess, you know, I see it, I understand. But man, it's kind of even worse when they're close to you. For them. You see what I'm saying? Like what if you're, what if your drinking buddy is now like doing something else and he's not drinking anymore? He's not drinking anymore. Come on man. You know, yeah.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You kind of have this kind of picture of them, you know, like this uhm, like this just idea of who they are, right? And then, so when they, and then you kind of,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In a way you kinda get used to it, or get comfortable with it, like in the relationship and all that. So when they change, you kinda throw off the relationship a little bit. Like it's like, oh my whole image of you is like changing, now I'm uncomfortable. It feels like that too sometimes. You know how like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like that, almost like a, like a social comfort zone, you know? Where it's like, they're different, it's almost like, ooh, the friend that I know, even though you're better technically, the friend that I've come to know and love is different. Yeah, yeah, it's not there anymore, you know?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I think it was Jordan Peterson saying like, to find out who your friends are, see who like,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't, let's say I don't have many social interactions, we'll say for like a little extended period of time. When you jump back into social situations, you feel kind of awkward, you know? Same thing as if like you stopped lifting for a while, then you try to get underneath that weight again and you're like, oh, this is a little heavier than I, than I remember it being, you know?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Well, the living in the van thing too, which, uh,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm not saying no one thinks about this or whatever, but like, you need, okay, so even your safety, right, you know, like medical or whatever, like if you break your leg or get some infection or something, living in a van, bro.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Even if you're trained in medical stuff, you can be jammed up and get an infection or something like this.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Like bottling them up, you're dealing with them in a, in a specific processing or general way. Yeah. So you, you know, there's a difference between how you feel and how you behave. So if you just relate, like however I feel I'm going to behave, that's like an emotional behavior, emotional decision, emotional, whatever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But, if you run it through like a little filter, whatever that filter is, and don't behave emotionally, it'll help develop your capability to deal with it, to control your emotions.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They're, they're all essentially jokes. Oh, okay. Just like you're, yeah, they're just jokes. Like, you know, even sometimes you'll, you'll be like, uhm,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know what, that's my fault. I should be pressing record on that thing. You know, it's up to me. You know, like that kind of stuff, but no, no, no.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It, I mean, I guess you could oversimplify it and put like, don't show weakness or whatever, but uhm, it was like, don't, don't act tired, even if you are tired, like don't act tired. Cause you know, that's a common thing, especially in the beginning where you're like, you have a hard round or hard three rounds or whatever, and then after you're like, uuuh, and you flop on the, on the mat or whatever.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like, oh, you're acting tired right now. I know it's part of the thing and, you know, whatever, even when you come home from work, same thing, you know, when you flop on the couch, oh, what a long day, kind of thing, right? You don't have to do that, you know?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And there's no real benefit in doing that, like, overall. Maybe some short-term benefit, maybe some feelings or something. But anyway, so in Jujitsu, yeaah, I learned that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And it's weird how it kind of, your mind and your behavior kind of play off each other, you know? Cause if, the more and more I not, or I would avoid, actively avoid acting tired,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, or like something you could do in the middle of like a barbecue or something like that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, here's the, I think like, well in my specific case, and I'm sure other people like this too, where it's kind of a gift and a curse situation, where that, yeah, one, to me, you might as well not even work out.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Depending on how long you're putting out ones and zeros, but like a one is not worth the workout, not worth the mental energy, not worth the momentum of what a workout is.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Okay, yeaah. So I gotta give some credit. There's my curse, yeaah, right there. To me, it's like, okay, but no, I don't think about that kind of stuff. Well, now I do more, but I'm just saying routinely, no. Not like, ooh, the fuck that I did it. I wish it played more of a part in my mind, put it that way.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Or why even lift kind of thing, but again, that's good because I get good workouts routinely, but...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The junk part is like, if I'm not in the mood to confront that three, four, or five, it's gonna just be a zero. Straight up. So I'm throwing up more zeros than maybe I should be. You see what I'm saying? Did not work out at all. Yeesh. You know?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeaah. And that's good, that's clever to give it numbers like that too. Cause like, who wants to be a one? Like, who wants to roll in, be like, throw up a one today? Like, yeaah. And who wants to admit that that's a one?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Why even go out there? You know, out there meaning to the gym or whatever. Why even go to the gym if it's just going to be a one? If I can smell the one coming on, why even bother with that? Because what's that going to do to my brain? Is it going to get me a little bit more used to throwing up ones?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, technically I'm going in with a goal of a three and then I get like a four or something like that.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But it's always like a baseline high level, high standard workout. That's, and that's why I used to skit workout so much. Cause I'm like, man, I can't, I can't do it. If I had the mindset, oh, I can just go in and stretch and maybe warm up. Or if I ever had that mindset, it's like, bro, that's easy to make it in the gym.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But then again, I guess thinking about it more, that could just help you. Cause you know how when you get in there, you're like, alright.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I guess like if, but then I guess the other part of my little, maybe it's partially excused, maybe it's legit, I don't know, but it's like, I don't want to get into that routine of setting low bars, you know, as a goal of a workout.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh, that's a zero. That's a rest day right there. No, I'll have big doms.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That was a good little addition when you say the best possible outcome. Because let's face it, some people can delude themselves with the emotional outbursts. You know, just kinda how you mentioned, like some people, they do their little emotional tirade.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But they ignore kind of the outcome, you know? They just, they, they focused too much, in my opinion, on how they felt at the moment, and then they're kind of recalling that feeling, and they, they kind of chalk it up as a little bit of a little success moment.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, cause they saw some movie where it looked cool or whatever, so they're like, dang, I look like Christopher Rockin or whatever, whoever he looked like or whatever. Meanwhile, the outcome is all terrible, you see what I'm saying? Yeah, that's a good... I liked it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Yeah, I'm sure it's around in that zone. Uh, in working out, it is a common thing. Well, I think in trainers or in the training community, that's a normal thing. It's called newbie gains. So you get gains in the beginning like way more than towards the end, you know. So like if you're advanced lifter, bodybuilder, whatever, uhm, yeah, your gains come slowly.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The new guys, newbie games. Newbie games. That's what they call it. That's what, you know, I'm just saying, it's a thing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So, first thing as always is jiu-jitsu. Although at this current exact moment in time, we're doing a lot less, if any, jiu-jitsu.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Boxing that Muay Thai and that wrestling. You can't get five by just limiting yourself to just straight up and being rigid to it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Get the best gi, best rash guard from origin, originmain.com is where you can get all this stuff. So, gi's, rash guards, bunch of other cool stuff on there. Also jeans.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Getting origin-made jeans. American-made denim. Does improve the community around you. That is a good-


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Also supplementation. Keep you on the path. Keep you in the game. Big time. So, what do we got?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Discipline and discipline go. Essentially the same thing in different, what, delivery methods.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Oh, it's implemented. Put it that way. Alright, cool. Yes, these are all things approved by the path.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] 100%. 105%. Really? Let's face it. Also, we have a store. It's called Jocko Store. It's where you can get, uh, items to represent while you're on the path. In quarantine or not.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I'm saying as time goes on, you see what I'm saying? Anyway, we got shirts on there, uh, hoodies, more rash guards, uh, discipline equals freedom, you know, all these good, all this good stuff, uh, hoodies, hats, truckers hats, beanies, flex it, all that stuff.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It's like a little tool kit for the path. That's what it is. That's what it felt like when I got mine. I like where you're at.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, yes, we have those all on jocostore.com. Also subscribe to this podcast if you haven't already. Cause it's important in many ways, arguably. Yeaah, real arguably.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Trying to put it into context here. Anyway, also we have a YouTube channel. For video. Video version of this podcast and other, and excerpts as well. This, uh, turns out to be a cool way, I think, to listen to the podcast. Be more immersed in the conversation, I think.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So the powder of discipline. Yes sir.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 238 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening. So you may have heard me tell a story.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the past about, uh, a training tool that we used for young SEAL officers.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This special training tool was a stick. Okay. Not to hit them with, but to give them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To hold in place of their weapon, in place of their gun, if they...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Couldn't detach from their instinct to shoot and replace that instinct with an instinct to lead.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because the leader's job is not to engage the enemy, the leader's job is to make tactical decisions, to direct the troops.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Find the next move that we're gonna take. The leader's job is to actually lead.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Battle was offered a sword from his subordinate leaders.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Because to him, banners, banners, and drums...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] direct troops during this time period those were the tools of a leader for him and he said to them to


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Command the troops and direct their blades is the role of a commander.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And military leader, he led troops in combat.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Period in history called the warring states period. He ended up becoming the prime minister of the state of Chu.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He was like a default aggressive leader, a little bit radical. He would make things happen. He would fire incompetent leaders, spent a bunch of money on the military, tried to build it up. He eliminated these old,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And he did other things that were good for the state but were, let's just say, against the norm. Made things happen.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] On the battlefield and in the bureaucracy and luckily he wrote down some of these military philosophies in something called the woozy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Other than, uh, what was it? Room. Like in Chinese, the word wuzi means room. I know that's not what we're talking about here. So, and I couldn't find any other information about it. So it's just called the wuzi. I'm sure some people will give us some information about that. But there's a lot of


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't know. Sometime before 381 BC. Which is crazy to think about.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Let's go deep in the woozy. First section. Jumping right in.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The need for strengthening domestic and external issues. And this is sort of set up like a story.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Which is kinda weird, cause I don't know if he wrote it this way, or if people...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Captured his words, but it's written not like too much of a story, but it says this Wu Chi dressed in Confucian attire had an audience of the Lord Wen of Wei To discuss about military issues This is this is one of those situations where I was like, oh, you don't wonder if this will be good


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I hadn't read it in a while, I'd like looked at it. There's, there's I think seven ancient Chinese war texts. This is one of them. Sun Tzu is one of them, right?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I glanced through this one, but I couldn't remember enough about it to think, oh yea, I gotta do this one. Here's the opening.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So Lord Wen of Wei said, I'm not interested in military affairs. Wu Chi replied,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's coming out off the top rope in the opening. Just in the opening. From the visible facts, I can deduce the hidden. From the past, I can discern the future. How can you not want to know what I've got? Interestingly, you know, echelon front.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Sometimes we'll get a client that says, well, you know, you're talking a lot about a military stuff. This is what I'm going to tell them from now on.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You have gathered the skins of wild animals, covered them with lacquer, painted them with colors, and embellished them with glistening images of rhinoceroses and elephants.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Wearing them, so he's talking about making these garments. These really fancy garments.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And he's kind of setting this up to say, moreover, the Lord has ordered the making of 24 feet and 12 feet long halberds, which is like a, you ever seen those spears that have, instead of having a, just a point to have like an axe looking thing on it?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So that's what that is. So he's made, he's, he's ordered to make 24 foot ones and 12 foot ones and had leathers to cover the chariots. These chariots are not grand and beautiful at all. These chariots are not mobile enough for hunting, meaning they're not beautiful. So they're not made for show. They're not mobile enough for hunting.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So they're, they're made for one thing. He says, I have no idea what you have, what use you have for them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If they are to be used for war, but your lord does not seek capable people who are adept in using them, such a situation is similar to a nesting hen fighting against a fox or a bitch fighting a tiger.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In the past, the Lord of Changsang Clan focused on improving the culture and domestic issues, but neglected military affairs, thereby leading to the extinction of the state. The Lord of Yu...


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He too led the state to extinction. So he gives two examples. One guy focused on domestic and didn't care about the military. They fell apart. One was just belligerent and making war all the time but not taking care of the domestic. That fell apart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The enlightened ruler would have used such examples to remind him that he should tend to both domestic affairs and military affairs together. When the enemy comes and you do not fight them, such does not count as righteousness.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When the enemy comes and you do not fight them, such does not count as righteousness. So the enemy's coming at you, you gotta fight him.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] When you, oh this is a good one, when you only start grieving the death of your soldiers after they have died, such does not count as benevolence.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] From then on, Wu Chi altogether fought 76 battles. Oh, I was wrong. He knocked out a couple more.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He expanded, weighs territory in all directions.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Broadening ways border by a thousand, by, by a thousand lee. Which is about a third of a mile.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] He's like, hey, 76 bottles, 64, 64 wins, and whatever the number is draws. That's his record. This dude's got a combat battle record. It's freaking legit. Alright, now it goes into


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Unity and the people support so that's the opener and and this thing is pretty straightforward priest pretty straightforward. It jumps goes through pretty succinct sections This part's called unity and people support


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Do I not talk about this all the time? Like you gotta understand where your people are coming from.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] I don't know if I, do you think it's, it's okay or do you think that I have some kind of a subliminal


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That whole word can be replaced with just, that whole sentence can just be say, empathy.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, maybe it's something where in my mind it sounds too soft. Too soft. We're not doing it.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So that's what we're dealing with here. What he's talking about is empathy, what I say is perspective, but we're all saying the same thing. You gotta understand your people. There are four disharmonies the ruler should take note of. If there is disharmony in the state, you cannot start a military campaign.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They cannot be allowed to battle. If there is disharmony within the formation, they cannot be used to lead an attack. If there is a lack of cohesion during the conduct of battle, you cannot score a victory. What does that mean? You gotta be unified as a group.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For this reason, the eminent ruler, before he employs his people, he would unite them first before achieving great matters together.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The ruler, this is why when you're in a team and you're doing anything that is


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The ruler will not dare rely solely on his own plans.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Uh, but then he says people will then know that the ruler value their lives.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Will be sorrowed by their deaths and willing to share wheel and woe with them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] New word. W-E-A-L. Wheel. And what it means is wealth. Just take the th off. Gotcha. He uses it a couple times. But it's a great expression.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You got a little alliteration. Hey, I'm willing to share wheel and wool. So, good or bad? Sickness and health. There you go.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] So all these things, what does it mean? You gotta build a tight team, you gotta have good relationships up and down the chain of command, you gotta suffer with your troops, you gotta reward them when there's rewards to be given.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's it. That's on unity and people support. Next section. Four virtues of a ruler. Wu Chi said, the way


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Is actually knowing is actually how things should be done. It means


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It is the means by which one can turn back to foundation and return to beginning. Righteousness is ethical behavior.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] It is the means by which to achieve great accomplishments. Strategizing is the means by which to harm distant, keep harm distant and gain benefits. So you strategize, you keep harm distant and you gain benefits. Principles are which to preserve duty.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And keep achievements. If one's behavior does not accord with the way and righteousness,


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Thus the wise ruler will run the state according to the way. Manage the state with righteousness. Order the people with propriety.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The expression in the SEAL teams was take care of your gear and your gear will take care of you. It doesn't seem like a huge leap to say take care of your people and your people will take care of you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] But man, that's a good thing to remember, and that's what my boy Wu Chi is saying right here. Take care of your people, and your people are going to take care of you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Righteousness and doing the right things is another thing I say. Do the right things for the right reasons.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] In general, to govern the state and the army you must instruct them with propriety, motivate them with righteousness, and instill a sense of shame in them.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you were, I don't know what we talked about on this podcast, they used to give the white flower to, if you were a military aged male and you weren't in uniform, meaning you weren't serving and everyone else was going overseas and fighting, they would give you a white flower.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, everyone is dying. Everyone is being wounded. Everyone is being killed. It's a total nightmare. But you know what was worse than that?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Thus it is said that for all strong states, those that garner five victories will meet with disaster. So if you win five times, you're gonna meet with disaster. Four victories, you're gonna decline. Three victories, you're gonna achieve hegemony, which means you're like kind of in control. Those with two victories can claim to be kings, and those with only one victory will become emperors.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] For this reason, those who have conquered through numerous victories are rare while those that perished because of it are many. This reminds me of the disease of victory. It's like the more you win, the better chance you have of falling.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Next, reasons for war and its counter strategies. Wu Chi said there are five reasons why wars are started, and they are. To contend for fame.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] To contend for benefits and advantages, to seek revenge, internal strife, and famine.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The names of wars raised based on these reasons are righteous, bully, anger, plundering, contrary.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] The righteous army is raised to save people from chaos. Relying on strength or power to bully people, such as a bully army. Mobilizing an army out of anger is an anger army.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Managing troops, selecting talents, strengthening. Now we go to a little Q&A from the Lord Woo.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Lord Wu said, I would like to hear your thoughts on managing troops, selecting talents, and strengthening nation. Wu Chi said, from antiquity.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Enlightened rulers always make every effort to maintain propriety between themselves and their ministers, manifest the distinction of rank, allow the, allow the officials and people to settle into their respective positions that accord with their customs, select and recruit talents in order to prepare for the unexpected.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] And then he breaks this down a little bit. Those who have courage and strength should be assembled into a unit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Those who take pleasure in advancing into battle and exerting their strength so as to manifest their loyalty and courage should be assembled into another unit. Those who are nimble and fleet should be assembled into another unit. Officials who have lost their position and are eager to make amends should be assembled into a unit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Those who have lost in war and want to eradicate their disgrace should be assembled into a unit.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] These five will serve to be the elite troops.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know? We got the people that just love to fight. We got people that want to prove their loyalty. Got people that are quick.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] You know, it's interesting to think about from like, oh, what you should actually do is understand human nature and know what you're dealing with, right? Like, you've got somebody


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Next section, Strength and Offense and Defense. Lord Woo further inquired, I would like to hear your views on making battle formation stable, defense impregnable, and victory in battle certain.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That's kind of a massive question. How do you make my defense in Pregnable and victory in battle certain?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What's Wu Chi say to that? He replied, Wu Chi replied, what I am saying is not only for hearing.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Carrying them out would allow you to see immediate effect. So he's saying if you did what I said and you could put those men together, you're gonna get immediate effect.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If you have worthy men hold high positions and relatively less worthy men occupy low position, then your battle formations are stable.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] If people settle down into their respective positions, respect their local authorities, then defense is solid. When the people support the policies of their government and not concerned about those of other states, then in battle you will already be victorious. This is a very interesting concept. That picture you have a team.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] This, this, this would happen in the SEAL team, sometimes they'd put together these, like, kinda super platoons where


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] They would take a bunch of really good guys and put them in there. And all of a sudden what you have is a bunch of alphas in the same platoon. And do you think that works out well? What's your guess?


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] What he's saying is, you know, you put your alphas in there, you put an alpha in there, and then you put some betas in there and everyone kind of goes into there.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Natural position is gonna be the most positive thing. Now here's what I'll tell you.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Maybe they do that. But what you don't want to do is fight with that person. You're ruining the team.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] That just completely complements each other and they can be unstoppable and then you pull one person out or you pull two people out of that team and they fall apart.


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] Importance of seeking talent


[User] Please transcribe this text

[Assistant] There once was, there was once when Lord Wu was planning state affairs, none of his ministers could be equal to him. After dismissing the court, he wore a happy and satisfied look.