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[Assistant] It's kind of that thing. That's, that's how life deals it to you. A lot of the time. Like these types of things. Like what you're saying. But let's say, hey, you, you know, your shoes aren't shined or whatever. I don't know. They aren't shined. Give me 50 pushups. Yeah, no they don't do that.


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[Assistant] So that's the question though, do you, do you agree with that? Or do you even think about that kind of stuff?


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[Assistant] So I was watching this show, this random show, me and my wife, before we were married, when we were just dating, whatever, we'd watch these random shows, and it was a, kinda like a reality show, kinda like a competition show, but it was, I think, army. Like, you know, you grab regular people, put them in an army scenario, you give them like missions,


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You know what, it's a lot like the FTX, a lot like that, but it's a whole, like, you know, you're there for like a month or whatever. And same, but a lot of drill sergeant type situations, dropping, give me 20, 50, whatever, right? So, it was towards the end of the season or whatever, and this girl was like,


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[Assistant] She was like, dang, look how strong and like muscular my arms are now. Just from all the pushups we had to do and stuff like that, just by happenstance, sure she was getting punished, sure she was learning to, you know, follow directions more meticulously and all the stuff that you learn from, you know, the whole, you know, orders versus punishment situation.


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[Assistant] But, as kind of a byproduct, if you will, she has some physical strength now. You know? I wonder if that has something to do with it.


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[Assistant] It seems like you have better things to do, is what I was going to say, but here, but at the same time you can't help but wonder, maybe that's just like, that's a certain way of looking at it, which is good. It seems obvious, seems effective to me, but what if there's something like that?


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[Assistant] You know, like something from back in the day, some old school fundamental principle that that's kinda why you do it. That's super effective.


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[Assistant] Actually, it messes up your whole game, so, okay, so you roll with stilts, right? Yeah. Okay, so that's, that's, I don't want to say that's his whole game, but that's his game right there. So, like, if you go, you know, side control or mount or whatever, he has dangerous moves. He wants you there. Yes, exactly right. So, it's like,


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[Assistant] And every once in a while you get rolling with him like kinda hard, it'll seem like he's trying to defend the mount, but he's really letting you think that you got the mount. Right? You know, cause you know, if you're like, if someone's letting you mount, you know they're letting you mount. And if they're gonna spring some sort of a trap, it's gonna be more obvious if they're letting you do it.


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[Assistant] I didn't figure it out. I figured out a method to deal with just that whole scenario with him, by the way. And he even like asked me afterwards. So I was like, Oh, let's, I was going hard and I was, you know how you get real like weary, like, okay, I know he's gonna send me. So it was real uneventful. So I was like, Hey, let's go roll again.


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[Assistant] And then I just loosened up and basically allowed him to spring whatever trap he wants. And he, and he did all this stuff and he was like, hey, you were rolling a lot lighter in that time. I was like, no bro, I'm just trying to, I'm trying to turn on the lights to all your traps that you set, you know? So it's kind of like that thing. It just comes with like the type of training, like you can't.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But man, in a war, battle, or in a competition scenario, it's like, it'll mess you up big time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and really on a real rudimentary level, that's what an IED is, you know, it's like,


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[Assistant] They want to make it look like a trash can or a regular something you have to address or something like that, you know, some, a place where you have to go anyway, the road, I don't know what on a real simple level, that's kind of what that is. So now you're like, shoot, now we got to be weary of everyday things. Normal protocol. We got to be weary of that.


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[Assistant] That, like, in jujitsu tournaments, especially back, actually your, one of your last competitions was my first competition, by the way.


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[Assistant] In LA, it was called like the Pan Ams of Submission Grappling. It wasn't the Pan Ams Pan Ams. It was like, I think like Submission Grappling. It was no- How did I do that?


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't know, I don't remember. I don't remember. Yeah, I remember seeing all the pictures because one of the, it's funny, one of the like, Was it a tournament? It was a tournament, yeah. So, remember Alicia photos, remember that? Who ran it?


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[Assistant] I have no idea. I didn't even know there was tournaments, and I saw one, or, or, Brand at the time was like, yeah, there's a tournament. I was like, oh, we can have tournaments. I was like, boom. So I just jumped on it real quick.


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[Assistant] I say it's iconic because it's a kind of a long story. Maybe that's a strong word. Yeah, very strong. It's not iconic at all actually, but it's okay. So I'm, we, I have this guy, his name is, um, Jim. Uh, you probably know him, Jim.


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[Assistant] He, uh, I have him in a, it's not an American, it's a straight arm lock. And I wound up tapping him out and Alicia photos, so that was the photographer at the time, the main one. I had a really good picture of it. It was such a good picture.


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[Assistant] They probably do if they're competing back in the day. If they know at least a little, anyway. Uhm, the full on, like, novice division. I was like, I had been trained for two months, twice a week by the way. For two months, boom. Uhm. Still, just dominating out there. Look at you.


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[Assistant] No, I actually lost, I lost my first match, took third, none the less, doesn't matter. Uhm, so I know that you did it because when I was looking through the pictures it was you competing, I think you were competing against like Sokujo or somebody, I think. But I remember it was you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well it was maybe, I don't know, some other black guy. But I don't know. I remember it was you, cause I remember like, you.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, uhm. I'll have to explore that. But, uh, what was the point there? Oh yeah, uh, waiting for the match is like, that's the nerve-wracking part. Oh yeah. Like, rolling, even when you step on the match and you see the guy in front of you getting ready, that's not nerve-wracking at all. That's like every day you see that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah, that's the rub with the real good judo guys or wrestler guys. That's the rub.


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[Assistant] But Tyrone Woodley is a wrestler. Oh yeaah. Was that you who said there's a difference between someone...


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[Assistant] If you have a wrestler always taking you down and the solution is to get better at wrestling, it's not the solution because you want to get better at something, then this guy's probably getting better, and this is just chances are, I'm not saying it's an absolute, but he's probably A, getting better, B, already super good at it, so it's like the solution is to chase


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[Assistant] What you do for a wrestling situation is one of those simple, it's not easy at all, but you find a way to get to the back.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, but get to the back, because Dippin and UnderGovv told me. Get them to their back? No, get on their back, sorry. Oh, for sure. Get on their back.


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[Assistant] He told me this when he was gonna fight Chelsone. Mhm. From MetaMorris. And he was like, he was like, yea, it's interesting fighting wrestlers or whatever. It's like, they can provide like, that, I'm totally paraphrasing, they can provide these really hard situations for you in Jiu-Jitsu.


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[Assistant] For many reasons, they're super hard, hard people to fight. But, if you can figure it out, you gotta figure out ways where wrestling provides weaknesses in a jujitsu scenario. And then, if you watch the match, sure enough, like,


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[Assistant] He was, Chelsani was really good at stuffing, stuffing, stuffing, stuffing, and then you could see Galva was like just slowly and then he got to the back, got to the back.


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[Assistant] Even like in your house like that's the one I think of a lot Where you know when you're in your house and and if you think of like what if there's someone in here? Oh, yeah right now Yeah, you're not even necessarily of how scary that would be necessarily, but it's like okay What if there's someone in here at least I'm ready for the fact that someone's in here my dog


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[Assistant] It's like expecting perfection, you know, you know, like if you expect perfection.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So if you allow for imperfection, you can just manage better.


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[Assistant] Okay, because remember earlier he was talking about B. Yeaah. Kind of chill with the lashing


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[Assistant] You know, you maybe just didn't work hard enough, even though you thought that you worked as hard as you possibly can, maybe the fact is, this is what it seems like, but at the end of the day I do agree with that. I mean, it's way clearer with physical stuff, because physical limitations are way more, you know, obvious.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you know, yeaah, and again.


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[Assistant] And then where do you get it really, you know, it's a, yeah, it's weird. It's just, I think that's really the reason that it is true is because you can't put your finger on it. You can't be like, yeah, just work as hard as you possibly can. Sure. That's going to improve.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's kinda like when you compare it like the proverbial person with all the potential versus someone with not that much potential and


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[Assistant] Maybe the guy with less potential, there'll be exceptions where that guy made it. And then there'll be obviously like all these other scenarios where the guy with the potential doesn't make it. So it's like, alright, you know, this guy's born with it, whatever with him kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Do you agree with me or no? Doesn't sound like it. We'll see what up. So, getting better.


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[Assistant] Speaking of getting better, Jocko has some supplements. They're Jocko supplements, so you know you're gonna get better. And I, there's, okay, so Super Krill is the krill oil supplement. Good one. Super. And Joint Warfare. And Discipline, okay, so let's say those three supplements.


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[Assistant] Those bottles are in New York too, by the way. Yeah, well they're up in the Northeast, we'll say. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but you won't-


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[Assistant] Super krill. Krill oil. Better than fish oil. Factually. Factually. And then there's Jocko Super Krill, which is better than regular krill oil. Factually. There's people out there.


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[Assistant] Not taking krill oil. And I'm not saying they should take krill oil. They should take krill oil. That's just not what I'm saying right now. I am saying if, I will argue, I'll actually


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[Assistant] I'll pretty much guarantee, pretty much, I know that defeats the purpose of the guarantee, but I'll pretty much guarantee that if someone's not taking krill oil, whether you juggle krill oil or not, and they take krill oil, they'll be like, dang, I should have started taking this krill oil before.


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[Assistant] I started this when I was 13. It's just like that on a smaller level. On a joint maintenance level.


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[Assistant] Well, you should've came up with it earlier. I know, I know. Next time, that's what you're gonna do, you're gonna come up with it earlier. That's what I think you should do. Nonetheless, therefore you join, it's a good one, we're all working out.


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[Assistant] That's how tasty it is. Alright, well good. I guess we'll see. I guess that's kind of the test, right? In a way, in a way, in a way. It's a test. Well good. Nonetheless, cruel oil, joint warfare, and discipline, those are already out.


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[Assistant] Because you know, that idea that you eat less and you feel better. And I found that to be the case, and this is what I realized, I found that to be the case only sometimes. And I was thinking why is it like that sometimes?


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[Assistant] Yeah, technically recover mode. It's really kind of what it does and that's really what it felt like. So yeah, I found that, yeah, so you probably have a bunch of stuff to do all the time.


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[Assistant] Dude, I don't know if we talked about hangry, like that's a for real thing, because this is what it is. When you, when you, I mean biologically, so that your frontal cortex, or prefrontal,


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[Assistant] Hangry, from what I read. Scientific term. That's correct, correct. Bika, well, they didn't use the word hangry. But, empathy, and this is with, like, if you get hungry or, um, sleep deprived. Uh-huh, whatever. Yeah, just a part of your brain, kinda. It doesn't shut down completely, it just becomes less and less. Oh, I forgot, yesterday?


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[Assistant] Yeah, what was the deal? Uh, it's just prefrontal cortex or whatever. Less empathy, uhm, so, you know, you'll treat people worse. Oh! Technically, uhm, so yeah, hangry. That's apparently, from what I read, is an actual thing. Well, maybe, so maybe it ups your aggression. Maybe it ups your aggression.


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[Assistant] Weird science. You say tomato, I say tomorrow. You know, you be aggressive. But nonetheless, uhm, yeaah. It's a real thing. Apparently. Okay. Who knows.


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[Assistant] I don't know, not to say that everyone's gonna behave in a certain way, I'm just saying that's what happens internally. Maybe, maybe not. Nonetheless, get disciplined. It'll cognitively enhance, so if you're prefrontal or frontal cortex, I forget which one.


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[Assistant] Both of, if your frontal thing in your brain is shutting down, boom, take that discipline. The cognitive enhancer is gonna help it out. A lot. Don't be hangry. Even if you're hungry.


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[Assistant] Guess where you can get these things? At OriginMain.com. There's a lot of cool stuff on there. OriginMain also has geese.


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[Assistant] Workout routines with the equipment, unlike Jocko. Jocko's workouts are super boring, even though you do have kettlebells, which I respect. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Anything you wanna add on that? No man, that's it. Are you sure? As far as the workout thing. What about the kettlebell thing? No, no, no, no, the kettlebell, you're good, you're good, you're solid, and I'm sure you're getting very strong, and I'm sure, you know.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, mine are from Onnit, they're the cool ones. And you can get other cool exercise stuff there, so go onnit.com slash joco. Check out the stuff there, if you want to get something. Also, when you get your copy of...


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[Assistant] Reveries on the Art of War by Maurice de Sacks. It's a good one. I like those manual kind ones, you know. The one that goes by the...


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what's crazy too is like, words will go in these cycles where they'll be used like, like ain't, right? If you say ain't, that's like, yeah, that's an improper thing, it's not really a word, blah, blah, blah. Ain't was actually used by like high upper class people back in the day, like long time ago.


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[Assistant] Aint and shant and all these like words like I should, you know, all this and ain't was one of them is one of them. And I forget the deal, but someone in the lower class started using it and they're like, Oh, they're using it now or something like that. So it went out and now it's like, Oh, that's not a word, but it is a word.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, and then if you kinda look at the big picture of that, it's kinda like you have, then you kinda in a way should know slang and stuff like that too. For sure. Because if you're over here talking quote unquote all proper to people who aren't used to hearing all proper, they're gonna be like, what's this guy talking about or whatever.


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[Assistant] You have, okay, how's this word? Irregardless. Right? Irregardless. No, it's not even a word. Right? That's what they said. So I had this bet, and this is a long time, this is like over ten years ago. I had this bet, this is a co-worker of mine. And I, for whatever, I think my dad taught me, like, irregardless, that's not a word, you know?


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[Assistant] And he'd always like correct you. So you know how it imprints in your mind, like, someone uses the word irregardless, they should be corrected. That was kinda imprinted in my subconscious. So, it happened at work.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but she's saying, she's saying basically if you can say it and you can spell it and it's like if it's a little name for something. It's not the name of anything. It's a name for a misuse of a word is what, that was her argument.


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[Assistant] We actually didn't hate each other, it was cool. But nonetheless, that was her stance. My stance is, you can't just invent a word.


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[Assistant] You can't just use a word wrong, invent another word because you're wrong, and then be like, oh, now it's a word, now I'm right. All of a sudden you can't do this, that's not how it works. And then, so I look it up in the dictionary. Yeah, it was haunting me. So when I went over and looked it up in the dictionary, sure enough, the thing was there.


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[Assistant] And it said, the misuse of the, or the common misuse of, regardless, some, but I'm still confused, like, is that a word? And here's the thing.


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[Assistant] I talked to Jade about it, yeaah, it bothered me a lot. So I talked to Jade about it and he was like, bro, that's kinda how the language is. You get enough people misusing regardless and irregardless, boom, all of a sudden it gets shuffled right into the rotation as a legitimate word.


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[Assistant] Communication wise, in language, as far as that goes.


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[Assistant] The word literally, now. Okay, literally. We know what like, here's the hard part about accepting this, because literally means something very specific. There's no ambiguousness. If it started to be ambiguous, you wouldn't say literally. You'd say figuratively, or you just won't say anything. That's what you, that's, that's the defining characteristic of the word, literally. But here's the thing, now literally doesn't mean


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[Assistant] Literally. Literally means just almost a lot. Yeah, just really strong. Not even almost literally, it's just really strong. So if I was like, man, this guy's joke was so funny, I was literally dying. Right. I wasn't almost dying. It's not what it means. It just means it was super duper duper funny. You know? That's the-


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[Assistant] What I did was I made it easy. Go to jocopodcast.com on the top menu. Whatever. Put a page there. Has all the books by episode. This one is on there along with everything else. Just click through there. It's a good way to support. And you get, it takes you to Amazon. You get your book in eight hours, however long it takes to ship to your house.


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[Assistant] Good way to support. Also, if you're doing other shopping, if you're gonna buy that lawnmower and leaf blower that you've been meaning to buy,


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[Assistant] Or wherever else they have a podcast and wherever else you wanna listen to the podcast. They have like new podcast apps out too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I dig it. So, hey, whatever you're using to listen, subscribe. Seems obvious, I guess, on the listening part. But YouTube, not so much. We have a YouTube channel. Subscribe to that too. That's a good way to support, if you want. Cause some people not into YouTube.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like just, it's, yeah, it's like the internet in general, you know, a lot of good stuff. Your whole, like, pursuit can be on the internet, and it can be very beneficial. At the same time, your whole pursuit can be on the internet, or YouTube, and it can be detrimental.


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[Assistant] Like, well whatever you're trying to do, going on the internet will basically make it out. So like, if you're trying to learn 3D modeling,


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[Assistant] All good, 100% upside because it has a video version of the podcast, it has excerpts, and it has various other little videos we'll just sorta add.


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[Assistant] I always say I'm gonna add, but this time I think I'm really gonna add a different type of video. You'll see. It'll be good. Anyway, good way to support. Also, Jocko is a store, if you didn't already know.


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[Assistant] It's called JockoStore. JockoStore.com. That's where you can get the shirt that Jocko's wearing right now. Victory MMA and Fitness. You don't even have to be a member of Victory MMA and Fitness.


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[Assistant] At least in spirit. You're a member in that sort of way. Nonetheless, it's on Jocklester.com. It's where you can get any of the shirts that we make and sell. We also have hoodies on there. And rash guards. And hats. And patches.


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[Assistant] A lot of good stuff. Kids, women, good stuff. I'm not saying to go buy something! I'm not saying that. I'm saying go there, jockelstar.com. Check out the stuff, you want something, get something. And that's a good way to support. Also, psychological warfare.


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[Assistant] If you don't know what that is, which I know you do, but in the unlikely event of you not knowing what that is, this is what it is. It's an album. Not a music album. It's a spoken word album with tracks.


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[Assistant] Jocko, helping us through weak points of our day, weak points of our campaign against weakness, weak points of our sh- struggle. Struggle? Good struggles.


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[Assistant] Struggle for good. That's what it is. You know, the day you wanna sleep in, or you wanna cheat on the diet, you wanna procrastinate, you wanna skip the workout. That's the main one. That's the iconic one. Skipping the workout.


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[Assistant] I'm sure I probably did legs the other day. A good one. Didn't skip it.


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[Assistant] To feel good about a cheeseburger. Guilt free. Like free. Cheeseburgers are good too. Yea. And that's not even really that bad of a cheat day. Oh really? What are cheeseburger fries?


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 118 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] That's what life should be is a mission.


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[Assistant] That's what gives your life purpose and focus and drive and ultimately satisfaction.


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[Assistant] Now, that mission can be the job you work at.


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[Assistant] It can be providing for your family or it can be getting better at jujitsu or stronger at Olympic lifting or starting a business that you want to grow and build and take over the world.


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[Assistant] What to do if they don't know what their mission is or what their mission should be.


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[Assistant] And I tell them, if they're in that situation, to go help someone. Go help someone else. Make that your mission. Because that will make you better.


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[Assistant] And it'll make the world better. And eventually from that you'll see what your mission is.


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[Assistant] To take the fight to the enemy to close with and destroy them through close combat and that's what we did.


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[Assistant] Welcome to the podcast. Thanks, Jaco. It's a pleasure to be here with you. Real honor. Thanks for coming on and


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[Assistant] Let's just start at the beginning, a little bit, for people that don't know who you are. Let's talk a little bit about, I guess we'll talk about Katy, Texas, and at the same time, also include Ecuador, and Colombia, about your childhood.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Rogue Warrior, that came out when I was already in. Yeah. As a matter of fact, it came out right as I showed up at the teams.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure that's right when it came out. And obviously it created some turmoil in the teams, but it was pretty interesting, especially because I knew guys that had worked for Dick Marcinko. And that was pretty interesting to talk to them. And to be totally frank with you, most of the guys that worked for Dick Marcinko,


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[Assistant] Loved him and, and as a matter of fact, one of the couple of guys that I respect Matt, there's one guy as a matter of fact that that I work for and


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[Assistant] This was a couple years later. As a matter of fact, it was around 1994, because I was in a CO platoon and I was talking to this guy that had worked for Dick Marcinko. And I said, hey, you know, how was Dick Marcinko? How was it to work for him? And he looked at me and said, best CO ever.


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[Assistant] And this was from a guy that I have utmost respect for, so I thought that was pretty cool. Even though, you know, his book, you know, the book is, it's, I'd say it's a Hollywood-ish book. And, and, you know, the, the, uh, statement in there that everyone always laughs about in the teams is the statement that every seal on his team could bench press.


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[Assistant] 500 pounds. Hey, we're not going, we're not even going to make it realistic. We're not going to make it realistic. We're just going straight to 500 pounds everyone on the team. And that's just patently untrue. And what sucks is when you do that with that thing,


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[Assistant] From the way it's been described to me, the events in that book, a lot of them are compiled, so like this little thing happened on a training event, and this thing happened on a training event, and this thing happened on a training event, but they'd all be compiled into one big story, so it's kind of like a Hollywood book.


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[Assistant] Now, when you, did you, I know you lived overseas. Where did you go to high school?


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[Assistant] And okay, this is kind of an important question because a lot of people ask me this question all the time. You were definitely wanted to be a SEAL. What made you make the decision between going to college and you ended up going to Tufts? Yeah, I ended up at Tufts. In Massachusetts. So at some point you said to yourself, okay,


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[Assistant] I could enlist tomorrow and go to bootcamp and, you know, be a seal within the year.


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[Assistant] Or I can go to college for four years and


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[Assistant] And people ask me all the time which one is better and I tell them that there's advantages and disadvantages to both of them. Uh, but what made you decide you're gonna go officer style from the get-go?


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[Assistant] And you did ROTC at? Yes. Was there any seals there? Like, uh, prior seals that were instructors or anything like that?


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[Assistant] I talk to people and they send me messages all the time and they're on this two year training program to get ready for buds. And I'm like, hey, train for two months and then go.


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[Assistant] It's not that hard if you played a sport in college, or if you played a sport in high school and you can run, like you'll get in good shape there, and it's gonna be a challenge, but waiting around, especially when there's a war going on that you don't really wanna miss, like that's a big deal to me, you know, and I tell these guys, this war's not gonna last forever, and


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[Assistant] You know, I showed up at the team in 1991, just missed the first call forward, and it's, you know, I didn't shoot my weapon at the enemy for 13 years. And that's a long, dry,


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[Assistant] Okay, so you, so when I'm sitting here talking about people don't prep enough, you're like, actually you should prep more. Do you think you could have run more? Preparing for bugs?


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[Assistant] The closest story I have to that is we got done with a four mile time run.


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[Assistant] And when we got done, the people that failed and I didn't fail, but there was a bunch of people that failed.


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[Assistant] And uh, instructor who is a really


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[Assistant] And that didn't work. I failed because I'm not a fast runner. And so from then on it was just a sprint as hard as I could go for the whole damn time. And unlike you, I didn't win any races in Buds. So you get done with and you show up, so now it's 2000 and what, what year is it?


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[Assistant] Right on. To you, bruiser stories. Check, check. Yeaah, that's awesome. And then from there you rolled two teams.


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[Assistant] You know, going back to Leif running that course, it was interesting because what that course used to be was almost like an administrator course. Hey, here's how you write evals. And they had a little tiny bit of dashings of tactics in it, but it was here's how you write evals, here's how you write navy messages and just that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so then you got done with that, then you showed up at Team 3 and you went right on deployment.


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[Assistant] Your OIC was a great guy that got moved, that's why he got moved and obviously they had confidence in you too.


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[Assistant] To move you up into the platoon commander position, which is an interesting thing. I had a group of business people and they they


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[Assistant] There was a guy that kept saying, well no one can take my place, you know, and then he was surprised that he wasn't getting promoted. And...


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[Assistant] Explain to people, if you don't have a person below you in the chain of command, or two or three people below you in the chain of command that can take your job, well then you're gonna have to stay in your job and you're not gonna get promoted.


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[Assistant] That's, that's proof that you're OIC. Like I said, who's a great guy. Actually, he's supposed to come on the podcast at some point, but he's a great guy and


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[Assistant] He had groomed you and taught you everything he could do and, and made you ready and trusted you to say when the, when the boss came to him and said, Hey, I got to fire a guy. I'm going to move you over to Afghanistan. Is your, is your AOIC ready to take over? And he could confidently say, yes, he is. And that's, that's awesome. And that shows that he was a great leader to, to


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[Assistant] And I would do that when I was running training, I would always kill, you know, uh, theoretically, or what is it? Virtually kill the platoon commanders. All of us? Yeah, and sometimes I'd kill all of you. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, there'd be some, some, some buddy carries happening for extended distances. Uh, yeah, I was a little bit.


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[Assistant] I was a little bit crazy at that point. And, and you know, I was good training. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, it's, uh, I was coming home from Ramadi and I wanted to make sure you guys were ready to ready for the worst possible case scenarios, you know? Um,


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[Assistant] So then you get, so you, you do that, you finish out that deployment and that was a solid deployment. You were, you were running a bunch of stuff. That, that sounds like a good deal. And then what'd you do when you came back?


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[Assistant] So I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a moment just to emphasize what you just said, cause...


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[Assistant] It's really important and not everyone will understand it the way you, the way you, uh, went over it quickly, almost from a tactical mindset. So I just want everyone to understand, what he's, what he's saying is, when at this point the IEDs were so bad, that,


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[Assistant] Practice that everyone in the world instinctively and by training has is you immediately hit the ground and seek cover. And you get behind a log, you get behind a piece of terrain, you find somewhere to hide from the bullets that are coming at you.


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[Assistant] And what Dan's saying is, during this deployment, the IED threat was so high that when the enemy started shooting at them, instead of finding cover to hide from the bullets, they would rather just stay put, probably take a knee, but not dive behind something because the likely, there was a likely chance that there was an IED there. Yep. That's, that's crazy.


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[Assistant] And there's more, you had more Afghan partners than Americans. Oh, by far.


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[Assistant] You know, it was a similar situation where, you know, clearly his, his eye, one eye was gone, but his other eye appeared to be intact and


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[Assistant] He could actually see, after he got wounded, then he got put into a, he could see what was happening and walked into the Cazavac vehicle, uh, but.


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[Assistant] You know, they put him into a medically induced coma, and when he woke up, he couldn't see. And then it was the same type of thing that they were telling you, they were telling him, which is, look, there was some nerve damage, we're not sure. And his attitude was very similar of like, well, it'll be okay, and, you know, it'll come back.


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[Assistant] You know, what didn't take very long before the doctors were like, no.


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[Assistant] It didn't happen. And, you know, and that's a guy that was still like, and he also still wanted to come back and get back with his platoon and was telling me, you know, don't worry, I can smell the enemy and I'll know where to shoot. Let me back, sir. So, yeah, uh, the,


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[Assistant] The fact that you were able to recover is awesome. Awesome. And, you know, it's, uh,


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[Assistant] It shows, it should show people that, you know, even though you had a great attitude, the threat of, of never being able to see again was very, very real. Very, very real.


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[Assistant] So after, when they, when you were blind again for six weeks, going into that, did they tell you, okay, you're going to be blind for a period of time and it's going to take time to heal?


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[Assistant] And so you had to stay face down all the time or you, uhm, and that six weeks goes by and then they eventually remove the gas bubble.


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[Assistant] We see it all the time with all vets, and I talk about this all the time.


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[Assistant] The vets that get out that have another mission, they focus on that mission and they go kick ass. The vets that get out and don't know what they're gonna do, that flounder around without a direction, those are the guys that end up in trouble because they don't have a mission, so they go and drink a beer, then they have another beer, and then the


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[Assistant] They could get prescribed pain medicine for their back, which hurts, which sucks, and they go down this bad road, and I believe a lot of it is because, you know, they just need that next mission.


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[Assistant] You didn't roll right into politics, you rolled to, you went back to college. Right, I had no intention of politics in 2016. Did that become, did that become, you looked at what you were going to do next and you said, okay, well,


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[Assistant] How else can I serve? How else can I move forward? What's my next mission gonna be? And you decide you're gonna go back to school.


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[Assistant] So, with all those things that you said that are real positive about having a political career,


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[Assistant] You must have also been looking at the nightmare gut check just mudslinging that you're gonna have to go or that's gonna be thrown at you and all that and your family getting the microscope on them and watched all the time and no privacy and all that.


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[Assistant] How did you weigh those things out? Did you think about those things as well?


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[Assistant] You are in the, in the fight, you're going against nine other candidates. Going into the election, obviously there's some people that vote early through mail voting and they just vote early and you are...


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[Assistant] So you talked about this a little bit. You talked about money.


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[Assistant] What's driving so much of who wins these elections is, is who has the most money cause that's how you get the advertising, that's how you get the mailers, that's how you get the word out there. I mean if you don't have the money to pay for advertising then no one knows who you are and you don't get any votes. So as disturbing as that is, you, without money, you, you, you


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[Assistant] You have a real hard time. I mean, you've done an amazing job with the limited amount. I mean, how much money did you go into that last election spending?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I said, unfortunately, money drives so much of these elections, and that's why you end up with those, uh, people that...


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[Assistant] I mean, I know you can't, well technically or possibly, but you're not supposed to be able to buy an election, right? Right. But, I mean, the person that you talk about that spent six million,


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[Assistant] Without that money, I mean where would, it was a female, right? Where would she have been without spending that money? I mean, I'm assuming she wouldn't have been anywhere.


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[Assistant] So that's actually real though, like you kinda joke about it, and I know you're like most...


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[Assistant] Good human beings, you feel uncomfortable saying, hey, give me some money. But the reality is, for you to take this to the next level, that you need, you need money. And, and so when you say that kind of jokingly, that the reality is, if you don't get that money,


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[Assistant] It's gonna be really hard to swing an upset. Right. And so, so that's, what's the website?


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[Assistant] That's awesome. And I know you're on a kind of a time schedule today and I know you got some other things that you want to do here while you're out here in sunny San Diego, which isn't too sunny today, but I think we just hit everything of how people can best


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[Assistant] Support your cause, and obviously, I'm in.


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[Assistant] Crenshaw for Congress. On Twitter, you're Dan Crenshaw, Texas TX. Correct. So, at Dan Crenshaw, TX. And then on Facebook, it's pretty easy to find you, uh, it's just Dan Crenshaw. Dan Crenshaw for Congress.


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[Assistant] That's it. Well, you know, obviously I just want to say before you take off, thanks for your service. Thanks. Thanks for your sacrifice for this great country. Thanks for what you've done, for what you're doing and thank you for what you are going to do and appreciate everything.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Well, I think they'll definitely find that with you.


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[Assistant] Thanks for coming on and it's an honor to be here until you come back on once you get the W.


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[Assistant] Once you get the win, come back on and you can explain to us where you're going from there.


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[Assistant] Echo Charles? Mhm? Speaking of support. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Maybe you could tell the troops how they can support this cause. Sure. If they want. If they want. And while they're supporting this cause, also support themselves. Support themselves. Which is important.


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[Assistant] Why not? You should go on the jujitsu training. And if you're gonna ask what if I'm small, big, large, overweight, underweight, old, young, the answer is start jujitsu. How do you get in shape for jujitsu? Jujitsu. That's what you do.


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[Assistant] It's hard, gotta be hard mentally for a guy like Timbo because...


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[Assistant] He's a purple belt. And so he's gonna come and get beat by some white belts. I mean, not white belts, by some blue belts. Some blue belts, cause you know, some blue belts, they bring it.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. There's a difference though. There's a difference between this gi is good, and then you get an origin gi. Yeaah. Right?


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[Assistant] Did you feel that, like, when we rolled, when we were both wearing new Origin keys? I did. Were you fired up? Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause like, yeah. Did you think maybe it was gonna be the day?


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[Assistant] All made in America? Yeah, I was gonna say, all made in America. Yeah. Which is, like, it's no big deal? No, it's a huge deal. Yeah. It's a huge deal. Made in America. In Maine. In our factory.


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[Assistant] By awesome workers. And it's not the kind where- By crafts. Crafts. People.


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[Assistant] Crafts, craftsmen. Craftsperson. Craftspeople. People, man. Some of them are females. Yeaah. But they're craftsmen. Yeaah. Men doesn't mean you're a man. It means you're a human.


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[Assistant] They harvest. They harvest the cotton. They, they, well, they can dye the cotton, and they weave the cotton. Yeah. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of steps, all done in America. Yeah. Blend the cotton, cause it's not just cotton.


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[Assistant] It's an athletic, that's one of the problems with the old geese. They're all made just with cotton. They're like, like,


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[Assistant] Crap. Yeaah. And then why would you not get modern technology? Well, why? Because they don't have, they don't do jujitsu where they're making the geese.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what's cool, you put a Origin Ghee in the dryer, it's dry like quick. Yeah, yeah. And because it's not all cotton. Yeah. Cause if you remember in the teams, cotton kills. Sure. Cotton kills. Cause it gets wet and then it's heavy and makes you cold. Jams you up. Yeah, it doesn't dry quick enough.


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[Assistant] It's an educational experience. Yea, it's like you immerse yourself in. That you can modulate


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[Assistant] Their brain, their brain's gonna be more sore than their body because they're gonna be more looking at it from the education that they're gonna need of learning new moves and techniques. So, that's what's cool about the immersion camp.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Well, it's cool to hang out with just a bunch of people that are gonna do jiu-jitsu for seven days.


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[Assistant] And you don't have to stay there the whole time. Yeaah. There's a, there's a, there's a first part and a second part. You know, it's like the first few days.


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[Assistant] And then you can do the second few days, and then you can do all of them if you want. So, August 26th through September 2nd. We're gonna be there. You know who else is going? No big deal. Dave Burke.


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[Assistant] Hey, let's do it. Let's communicate about guard passing via text. Yea, hey man. You know what he's catching people with? Americana. Yeaah. And, it's good. It's an interesting conversation. Because you know he says, oh well the Americana's like what I use the most right now.


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[Assistant] And, and I told him, like, the Americana is actually not a really effective move, right? Against anyone that has trained for a little bit. Purple belt, you're not gonna, you might catch a blue belt in an Americana. Purple belt, probably not gonna happen. I did catch a black belt in Americana the other day. And, and it was like, shame.


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[Assistant] Right, like, I got caught with Americana. Yea, and this particular black belt was like, shame. He hung his head in shame, he was like, he goes, Americana! But, I explained to Dave,


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[Assistant] The reason that the Americana is effective for him right now, the most effective, I'm like, is it the first submission that you learned? Yes it is. So he's practiced it the most and he's figured out all the little nuanced things that you have to do right in order to make


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[Assistant] He's not going against people that know how to defend it yet, which is going to be problematic. So, you gotta, you gotta, that's what happens.


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[Assistant] I did certain moves for years, like, like, like, for, when I first started, my first good move was the Ezekiel. In fact,


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[Assistant] I used to call it the EZ kill. The EZ kill, yea. The EZ kill. That's what I thought it was. That was one of them. But it was, I learned it like, one of the first submissions I learned, and then I just tried it all the time, and I got pretty good at it. But then you realize that it's not that hard to defend the Z kill. Eventually when you start going against better guys, so then you gotta move to the


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[Assistant] I think the next move that I actually started doing a lot of was the Kimura. And I spent a couple years at Kimura. And then I spent a couple years at Crucifix. Then I spent a couple years at the Straight Foot Lock. Then, you know, so. And, you know, just getting good at those position.


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[Assistant] But Dave Burke, back to my point, he's coming, he's coming to the camp. And you know who else is, oh we'll see who else is gonna come. We'll see if, we'll see if Leif, I don't know if we all have to work. I blocked this off though, which is sweet.


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[Assistant] You can come and hang out. Eat lobster if you like lobster. Yeah, if you like lobster. If you like steak. Yeah. Hang out in Maine.


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[Assistant] Visit our factory. Yep. Which is awesome.


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[Assistant] Make it a little less boring. You always make it sound like I do these boring workouts, and I just realize I've been taking that abuse for quite some time. My workouts are not boring, in fact. They're boring.


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[Assistant] You've done 20 reps squats that you can only squat 10 times.


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[Assistant] How much research would you have to do if you knew nothing about this podcast or me?


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[Assistant] How much research would you have to do to figure out that we read books?


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[Assistant] Right? Like that's a cr- you don't have to dig very deep to know that answer. Right? Do you like to read? Right? This is a really-


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[Assistant] Low level question. That doesn't take a whole lot of research to figure out. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I guess, is that laziness?


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[Assistant] Or is it like, hey, this guy seems pretty accessible, I'm just gonna ask him, here he is. I wonder if this guy likes to read.


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[Assistant] Maybe they don't listen to your, you know, podcast. So I'm being too harsh. Being too judgmental on my part.


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[Assistant] Dumb question. Do you like to read? Like we literally have a podcast about books that we read. Yeaah. And...


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[Assistant] And then people say, do you have a list of books? Do you rec- do you have any books you recommend? Yeaah. Do you have a book list? Do you have a reading list? These are all things I get asked on a regular basis.


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[Assistant] Am I, am I lazy in the fact that when I wanna know something, I'll Google it. No, that's not lazy. Okay.


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[Assistant] They're all there. They're all there by episode. And by chance, they're kind of in order of preference. In order of the way you, almost the way you should read them.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'd have to shift some of them now. I should put them in a different order. Cause there's some books that I read again and I was like, man, this should be near the top. I mean, About Face is number one. Right? You should read that book first.


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[Assistant] People ask me that all the time. What? What's your favorite book? I've already read Extreme Ownership.


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[Assistant] Is there another book you recommend I read? Well, I've read all your books. What book should I read next? About Face by Colonel David Hackworth.


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[Assistant] Right. But if you go back to episode one, which there's no book, but two, there's a book. And if you go in that order of reading, that's a good progression to get through the books properly.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Hell yes. Well my kids do. Sure. Well my youngest kid does.


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[Assistant] And I've read them on the podcast before when they're really funny or I've quoted them on social media.


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[Assistant] If you write an awesome review, well it doesn't have to be awesome, but if it's funny, or it's good, or it's creative, that's what I should have said. If it's a creative review, there's been some really good ones. Same thing with Amazon reviews for tea and books and what not. There's a lot of people that get after it.


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[Assistant] Enhanced extras, which means that Echo has gone and put his cinematic flair


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[Assistant] That video, by the way, no big deal. When I got to the gym today.


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[Assistant] I used to, I would watch it because they, because people would film street fights. And I like to watch street fights. Sure. Learn a lot from street fights. And what's funny is it became such a popular culture thing that when people would be recording the fights that they're gonna then put on World Star, they would be saying World Star.


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[Assistant] During the fight, someone would be filming and saying, world star, this is going on world star. Well, now guess what's on world star. Echo's video. We made it.


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[Assistant] Cross. Cultural. Boundaries. Yeah. Hey, world star. World star. Make it happen.


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[Assistant] There's a way that Jocko gear looks, and there's a way that Origin gear looks. There's some areas that overlap, there's some areas that don't overlap. Some of the, let's call them color combinations, that my brother


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[Assistant] If you want your gear made in America, there's one place to get it done right. That's our factory up in Maine.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's weird that people have to hit you up, that you just don't pay attention to the stock and say, well, running low, I should order more.


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[Assistant] Cause it does mean a lot to me. Yeaah. Just, I'm saying. That's cool. So maybe I should be more, I should do a better job of expressing how important it is to me for people if they want patches to be able to get one.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Maybe I haven't, I obviously haven't done a good job. Yeah, it's your fault.


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[Assistant] That was the genesis of this album. Was Echo questioning how...


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[Assistant] All your alarm clocks, you set the first one at 4.30, you set the next one at 4.35, you set the next one at 4.40, and you have your backups. By the way, don't set your backups at the same time because you don't want to be fumbling around with three alarm clocks in the morning.


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[Assistant] Good tip. I said then you get done with that, then when the alarm clock goes off, you get up, you get out of bed, then you go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know but it's like the reality is is someone gonna write down my morning routine then follow the exact same thing and would that be good for him? Maybe. I don't know. Well, here's another morning routine then. Get up and go. Get up and get after.


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[Assistant] I'm not an entire morning routine, and I actually wrote about it in the field manual. The morning routine starts the night before. The morning routine starts when you get your gear ready because you don't want to be fumbling around in the morning.


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[Assistant] Don't wait, don't set yourself up to fumble around with things in the morning. Right? That's just a bad thing. Don't do that. So you, you have your gear ready.


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[Assistant] But you know, I have like all my workout gear is in the bathroom on hangers. You know, a pair of shorts, shirt on each hanger. There's like six of them. They're all the same. There's no thought process that's needed. They're all matching. And I have the same kind of socks. All my socks are the same.


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[Assistant] I do have black socks and white socks, but one drawer is just completely white socks, all the same. You grab those, you put those on, boom. You brush your teeth, boom. I take my supplements in the morning and at night, but I take my krill oil and my joint warfare.


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[Assistant] I drink when I'm thirsty. I eat when I'm hungry.


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[Assistant] Okay, well I drink a little bit more, I drink about 3% more than, than what I need.


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[Assistant] What, like, in the morning? Yeah. You like, you pound it? Sure.


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[Assistant] So my son was doing a monster mash with us when he was like 6 or 7 years old. The monster mash is like, oh you do rope climbs, then you do a sprint, then you do like a swim, then you do pull ups, and then you, and they put little things in there sometimes. So one of the things that they had to do was drink a coke through a straw.


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[Assistant] You answered the question that they were asking, you just answered it. And that's why I said, look, I'm not trying to be negative against morning routines. And there's pretty much what I do.


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[Assistant] The, the reason is, I think people think, oh, if I have, if I knew your morning routine, then I'd know what the secret is. It's like, hey man, the secret is get up and go do something. That's the secret. Yeah. I'm not gonna, here's the deal.


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[Assistant] Here's the deal, I'm not gonna sell you my morning routine as the solution to your problems. Now, I will say that if you fumble around in the morning, it's gonna cause you problems throughout the day, so don't fumble around in the morning. Set your, set your life up correctly, so that you're not fumbling around.


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[Assistant] That's good. I'm not gonna sell you my morning routine as a solution to your problems. Yes, I'm not gonna do that. But I will say that if you do have a good system that you go through in the morning, it will set up your day correctly.


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[Assistant] But I think what you said- That's the thing. That's the thing. I don't- I don't actually have something and I stick to it. Like, I do- This is what it is. I follow the functional thing that works. And you stick to it. Yeah, and I stick to it. So that's-


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[Assistant] You may kind of miss- No, you're right. And that's why, like I said, I'm not belittling the idea that a morning routine is helpful because it certainly is. It might add some


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[Assistant] Some tiny bit of help to your day, if you're doing the right thing. Some benefits, thank you. It might benefit your day, which is positive. Will it cure your overall problems of life? No, but you know what? It's a good place to start.


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[Assistant] So yes, let me just, like yeaah, get on a good morning routine. That's a good idea. I like it. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. I'm not trying to make fun of it. I was, but I'm not anymore.


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[Assistant] Oh, definitely. Definitely, that would have been a very good question. I would have said, oh yeaah, here's what I do. So there you go.


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[Assistant] Sorry, sorry, sorry everyone. No, no, it's all good. It's all good, we got to the bottom of it. Speaking of you drinking water, another drink you can drink is you can drink something called Jocko White Tea. It's available on Amazon. Now, this is the only tea


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[Assistant] So anyways, you can get that, you can get it on Amazon, and then you can start deadlifting.


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[Assistant] There's some books that you can get, Way of the Warrior Kid. I get questions all the time about how you should raise your kids. And not just how to raise them, because people know how to raise them, but they, not how to raise them, but how to raise them. Like they know what they want the kids to,


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[Assistant] They know the values that they want the kids to have, but they're not sure how to give them the values, right? They don't know how to do that.


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[Assistant] So, real simple, get him this book, Way of the Warrior Kid. That's, you know, discipline, eating habits, working out, dealing with bullies, how to study, all those things are in there. These are the things you want.


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[Assistant] To have these type of qualities. And now, on top of that, we have Way of the Warrior Kid 2, which is called Mark's Mission. This talks about some important lessons. Controlling your temper. Overcoming fear of failure.


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[Assistant] Working hard, saving money, being frugal, dealing with verbal abuse, helping other people, starting businesses. Yeah, I said that.


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[Assistant] That would look at the lessons from Way of the Warrior Kid and would say, I don't want my kid to have that quality. No, the qualities are in there.


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[Assistant] So there's that. And if you want a good example of a warrior kid,


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[Assistant] Check out irishoaksranch.com where you can get soap that's handmade by young Aidan. Who's 12 years old, but he has a business. No big deal. He's making soap. Goat milk soap.


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[Assistant] It was a cool little educational experience. Cause he asked me, you know, he was making soap. And he reached out to me, his dad is...


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[Assistant] And, you know, it looked nice, but uhm, it went back with, you know, this needs to be an OCR standard. So anyways, yeaah, it's a cool little learning process, and yeaah, you can get that soap, you can support a kid, that's a warrior kid, and


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[Assistant] The Jocko Soap motto, which I give Aiden no credit for. Sorry Aiden, you're a good kid, but you didn't think of this. It took the, it took the masterful marketing mind of Jocko to come up with the motto for Jocko Soap, which is Stay Clean. It's good. And you know there's some layers on that too, right?


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[Assistant] And the reason that whenever I talk to people or people talk to me on, uh, through social media or email,


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[Assistant] And they've had a drug problem or an alcohol problem. And I always kind of sign off like, hey, stay clean.


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[Assistant] Stay clean. So, cause that's also what Lemmy from Motorhead was saying. Stay clean. Like, don't let this kill you. Now Lemmy from Motorhead was a rare dude who


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[Assistant] Did a lot of drugs and alcohol and somehow was able to survive very well up to, up to when he died. Drinking incredible amounts of Jack Daniels.


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[Assistant] Yeah, those some legit layers. But he always would say, don't do it.


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[Assistant] He's a guy that would say, don't do it. It's, don't do it. Don't do what people do. Don't do drugs.


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[Assistant] In addition to that, I got another book called The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual. And if, this is a good point. If you know someone that's off the path, right, like people go off the path in life. And it doesn't take, we talked about this last time, it doesn't take but one step off the path when you're on a slippery slope.


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[Assistant] It's a slippery slope when you step off the path. So if you know someone that


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[Assistant] Has taken a step off the path and they're starting to slide down. Get em this book to get them on the path, the right path. And there's also a chance.


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[Assistant] That the person that stepped off the path is you. So get the field manual. It's got the thoughts and actions that are required to be on the right path. Make yourself better, faster, stronger, smarter.


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[Assistant] Anything else? More physically fit and healthier.


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[Assistant] Is on iTunes, Amazon Music, Google Play, other MP3 platforms. It's not on Audible. Because then you can't have it as an album with tracks, which we obviously support. Extreme Ownership, the first book I wrote with my brother, Leif Babin. Over a million copies sold.


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[Assistant] That's a lot of copies sold. That's a lot of copies sold. You know how many copies they told us would be successful? Cause we didn't know any, Leif and I didn't know anything about the publishing world. Wait, what do you mean? When we were getting, when the book was getting ready to come out.


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[Assistant] And I would talk to the, we were talking to the publisher, Leif and I were talking to the publisher.


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[Assistant] And he says, you know, if this is a successful book, then you know, it'll, it'll really be, it'll be good to see, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] So I said, no, so I said, hey, what, hey, I don't know anything about this. What is considered to be a successful book? You know what the number was? Twenty thousand.


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[Assistant] He goes, hey, you know, he goes, hey, you know, we're, we're printing 12,000 on this first run. And if you sell, if you, you know, we'll print some more, but if you can sell 20,000 books, that's, that's going to be, that's a huge success and we'll be, we'll be proud.


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[Assistant] So here we are, we're one million deep. It's pretty cool. Yeah. Good job, Leif Babin. Good job. Good job both of you guys. Yeah. Leif, Leif tells a story that...


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[Assistant] We got home from Ramadi and the only time I ever told him anything positive was when we got home and we'd been home for like two weeks and I told him and the Delta platoon commander, hey, good job over there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I believe you're correct. Beyond the books and beyond the podcast.


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[Assistant] Also, Echelon Front, speaking of life and me, this is our leadership and management consulting company. This is the thing, every, this is a bold statement, right? Every problem in every organization is leadership problem. That's a bold statement to make.


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[Assistant] And I'll say it again, every problem in every organization is a leadership problem.


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[Assistant] So if there's a problem in an organization, the problem, it boils down to leadership. On some level.


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[Assistant] So what we do is we fix the leadership and thereby we fix your problems. It's me, it's Leif Babin, it's JP Donnell, it's Dave Burke. Good deal, Dave Burke.


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[Assistant] Get your leadership aligned. Go to info at echelonfront.com.


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[Assistant] Or you email info at echelonfront.com or you can go to the website echelonfront.com. And of course we are approaching the muster.


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[Assistant] Leadership seminar. Learn, you learn tactics of leadership. You learn strategies of leadership. You learn pragmatic techniques you can execute as a leader.


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[Assistant] Going quickly. And so we've got both, uh, places that we're doing the muster. We've got them expanded as much as we can. Doesn't matter. They're both, both of them are gonna sell out. Doing two this year only.


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[Assistant] Washington DC, May 17th and 18th and San Francisco, October 17th and 18th.


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[Assistant] The whole team will be there and we will be with you if you come. We'll be hanging out. We'll be answering questions. We'll be talking. We'll be eating lunch. We'll be, we'll be hanging out, working out with all of you that come. There's no green room.


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[Assistant] There's no backstage where, where Leif is sitting back there in the backstage with cucumbers on his eyes to relax. That's not happening. No. No. We're hanging out. All of us. So you can register for that at ExtremeOwnership.com. We'll see you there and until the muster.


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[Assistant] Dan Crenshaw is at Crenshawforcongress.com His Twitter's at DanCrenshawTX And his Facebook is DanCrenshaw


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[Assistant] To fight and die for what we hold sacred, and to police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, and all first responders, thanks for being prepared.


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[Assistant] And thanks for being there when we call you in our time of need. And to everyone else out there, thank you for listening and thank you for sharing and thank you for supporting. But more important, thanks for finding your mission and executing your mission.


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[Assistant] Whether it's your job, or your business, or a charity, or your family, or whatever your mission is, thanks for getting out there, and getting after it.


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[Assistant] It's nice to be here, I think. I listened to that story. It brought back tears. Quite frankly, I'm upset just because of the memory of that. It was a horrible experience, but one that had to get done. And I still remember getting out of that tank.


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[Assistant] Wondering why in the hell I was doing it. But uhm, something had to be done. When you see thousands of people coming at you, and you have nothing but your weapons, and the guys needed some help. They just, they were willing to


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[Assistant] I guess run, I don't know. They needed leadership. And that's the only thing I could think of. To get out and try to be there with them. And thank God we turned them around. And we were able to stop the enemy.


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[Assistant] You can't understand what it's like to be there and having thousands of people come rushing at you.


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[Assistant] And the best you can do is shoot your tank guns and your machine guns. And they just kept coming. They just kept coming.


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[Assistant] Talk about discipline. Those guys were discipline too. And, uh, we had to get our guys together and we did. And it was, I think I was lucky. I was damn lucky.


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[Assistant] At least. It was, it was a, you know, when you, when I got wounded, I felt the blood rush into my pants. And then it stopped. So, why not keep going, you know? So, as far as I was concerned, the wound was over, and when I finally got to the Mash Hospital,


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[Assistant] It eventually worked its way out, which is how I ended up being evacuated, uh, when we were up in North Korea and, uh, got to a hospital ship, Navy hospital ship, and they,


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[Assistant] MacArthur just said, General MacArthur had said, we're going to be home by Thanksgiving, by Christmas.


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[Assistant] Of course the Chinese hit. And so, I was now trying to get back to my unit, and the army was totally screwed up. We didn't know who was where. So I ended up flying to Pyongyang, landing in Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, and the airfield was totally surrounded by fire.


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[Assistant] Nobody knew where it was. So I got on the road and started hitchhiking.


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[Assistant] You know, a guy came along, happened to be a classmate of mine who was in signal corps. He stopped, saw me.


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[Assistant] Pick me up, took me back to where he was, which was Corps headquarters, and they didn't know where and how my outfit was. So finally, they took me back to the Mash Hospital, another Mash Hospital, and the Mash Hospital knew where my unit was.


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[Assistant] I was 16, almost 16 years old and I was in a movie theater. And they stopped the movie.


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[Assistant] That's why I wanted to be a chemical engineer and I was going to go to Cornell because he wanted to Cornell. And that was going to be what I was going to do. Well the war happened.


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[Assistant] And I suddenly became 18, and you get drafted. It's hard for people to realize today, every place you go, people were in uniform. There weren't people walking around in civilian clothes. The only people who were in civilian clothes were those who couldn't qualify because of physical disabilities. So everybody was in uniform, no matter where you were.


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[Assistant] So I got drafted, and fortunately, my dad was smart enough to send me off to Iowa State before I was 18, and I got two quarters in as an engineer.


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[Assistant] So the Army, in its great wisdom, decided to make me a combat engineer.


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[Assistant] Which was a hell of a lot better than being an infant of mine as far as I was concerned. So, I, uh, went to Fort Jackson, South Carolina.


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[Assistant] And so, we went through basic training and learned to be a combat engineer. And I became a demolition specialist. Now, it's hard for people to realize, here's a kid who grows up in Sioux City, Iowa and suddenly is handing explosives.


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[Assistant] Learning to build bridges and take care of roads. That was our primary mission. But we also were taught to be instrument. Combat engineers, uh, have a secondary responsibility. And so we, uh, ended up, uh, fortunately going to Europe


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[Assistant] When we were in training, we had no idea which direction we were going to go, but in retrospect, I've always felt


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[Assistant] But our primary role was to go to Europe and take care of the roads and all the things that engineers do.


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[Assistant] General Patton's army turned


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[Assistant] Make a 90 degree turn and go north to help stop the Germans. And so the roads had to be taken care of and, and that's what our unit was doing. So we were primed, during the actual combat at Bastogne, we were working on roads and keeping the roads open for the, uh, Patton's army to get up there, uh,


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[Assistant] In a little town called Vyondin, which is on the Aura River, right across from the Siegfried border, the Siegfried line. And, uh, so.


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[Assistant] Turned into an infantry outfit for a brief period of time. February 12th, 1945, we got rid of all the Germans, the last Germans in the country of Luxembourg.


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[Assistant] As a demolition specialist, one of my other, one of my jobs was


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[Assistant] Mine clearance. And I was operating a mine sweeper.


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[Assistant] On this road down into the valley at Vyonden. And behind me were the, were two tanks. From the, the cavalry unit. And the Germans could see the tanks. I guess they could see us too, but they, they sure as hell were looking at the tanks and shooting at the tanks. And a lot of their machine gun fire would ricochet off the tanks.


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[Assistant] And that's how I got hit. With ricochet off the damn tank, it got into my leg and arm.


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[Assistant] Superficially. I mean, all I'd do is go back to the aid station, get bandaged up and back into my unit. There wasn't any hospitalization at all, that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] And I was, I remember going into this office in Paris, and I was dressed in my battle gear, so to speak.


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[Assistant] And so they put me in all brand new clothes.


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[Assistant] Two days later, I was on an airplane flying back to the United States.


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[Assistant] Twenty-seven hours later, in five stops en route, we ended up in Washington D.C. So, and so I ended up, my first time ever to visit the Pentagon,


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[Assistant] Here is this 19 year old PFC dressed in brand new clothes walking into the Pentagon. And I can tell you, I wasn't sure what the hell I was doing. But I finally got orders to go to Cornell University. Cornell University, what for? To get re-academic, ehm, get


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[Assistant] If you had an appointment with the cabin, in fact, this is still true today, if you have an appointment with the cabin, they take you out of combat and bring you back someplace safe. And, uh, they brought us back. There was about 300 of us at Cornell, all, uh,


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[Assistant] No, I had no, I had no idea. It wasn't until after, well.


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[Assistant] My appointment to the academy was an alternate appointment. And the principal, if he qualifies, the alternate doesn't get to go. And my principal qualifies. So, now what do they do with me?


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[Assistant] And the Arminius Great Infinite Wisdom decided to send me to Officer Kennedy School. So,


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[Assistant] The Army knew they were going to need a lot of second lieutenants over in the Southeast Asia. And so, anyway, in the middle of Officer Kennedy's school, the war in Japan ended. Now what? Well, they stopped Officer Kennedy's, they slowed it down, I guess is the right word. And what I continued on and graduated, uh, into January.


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[Assistant] And I, and now I also had a principal appointment to the military academy. So what do they do? So they kept me at Fort Belvoir training recruits. And then in July, they discharged me from the army to enter the military academy as a cadet in July 1st, 1946.


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[Assistant] It was somewhere in there that I sort of liked the army.


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[Assistant] Our tactical officers were all lieutenant colonels who had been battalion commanders of some sort in World War II in Europe or in the Air Force. In fact, tactical, tactical officer of my company, the first two years was an artilleryman and the second two years was a, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, Air Force, well, it was U.S. Army Air Corps became Air Force, uh, Lieutenant Colonel. So,


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[Assistant] And then the, the superintendent was, uh, Maxwell Taylor and, uh, commandant.


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[Assistant] Of my class who started, about eleven hundred of us, I would guess several hundred were


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[Assistant] Berlin Airlift happened while we were cadets. And so we saw that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Have the Russians attack or vice versa. We're not going to do anything.


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[Assistant] Well, it wasn't my move. North Korea invaded South Korea, and General, President, President Truman decided, uh, to send U.S. troops to Korea. Now, one of the things when you, uh, when you graduate, uh, by order of rank, you're allowed to choose your branch, and then where you want to go.


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[Assistant] Well, my experience was being in front of that tank and getting shrapnel.


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[Assistant] So I chose not, I chose not to be an engineer again. I chose to go into armor. So I chose, uh, to go to, once again, uh, run up on Iowa. State of Washington was somewhere


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[Assistant] So that's my first post, was to go to Fort Lewis, Washington, to the, turned out to be the 29th, 29th, no, the 72nd Tank Battalion, which was part of the 2nd Infantry Division.


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[Assistant] President Truman, while I was on my honeymoon in Canada, decided to send the second division off to Korea. So in my infinite wisdom, not knowing this was happening, I was in Canada and I called home to wish my mother and dad a happy Fourth of July.


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[Assistant] Oh, the army had sent a telegram to my parents' house saying for me to get my ass to Fort Lewis as soon as possible.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm halfway there, when I'm up into Alberta, Canada, so.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you, that's an experience most people don't want to have. I, the only thing I had going, by the way, many years later, my platoon sergeant told me, he said, at that time he was my gunner, he said,


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[Assistant] Yes, my first tank ride was from the port, no, from the, uh, motor pool at Fort Lewis to the port of Olympia to put the tank on the ship and goodbye. That was my first tank ride.


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[Assistant] I wish I've told more people when asked.


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[Assistant] What do you do to be successful? I say, listen to your sergeants. Listen to your sergeants. Ask them. Don't be afraid to ask. Because they'll tell you. Their job is to make you successful. And unfortunately, there are too many people who don't have egos that can allow them to do that.


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[Assistant] You can't understand what it's like to be several miles offshore and begin to smell.


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[Assistant] In Pusan, waiting for the equipment to come and then offloading it and getting it ready to go into battle.


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[Assistant] Thirty-five miles radius from


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[Assistant] The city of Busan was the Busan perimeter. That was the last territory held. Everything else was held by the North Koreans.


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[Assistant] After we loaded the tanks onto the rail cars.


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[Assistant] You go to the Braille head of marrying, which is


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[Assistant] I don't really know that we thought how serious it was.


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[Assistant] Called all the officers and senior NCOs together in a, in a place. And he said, men, we live or die here. And I thought to myself, what in the hell did I get myself into here? But that's, that's what it was. I mean, we would, I, you know, in hindsight, I, I've read books about


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[Assistant] Waves of people come across the, the Nacton River will never ever go away from my memory. I mean, people were just coming, coming, coming. And all we were doing was shooting, shooting, shooting. And they would just keep coming. And, uh,


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[Assistant] We managed to hold the line and they didn't penetrate.


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[Assistant] So, no, the answer is, we didn't understand Perilous as a situation.


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[Assistant] Forever, but I think it was probably over in two or three, a couple of weeks. My first


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[Assistant] We got off the tanks off the flat cars and then we rolled into action and my, uh, uh, lead tank,


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[Assistant] And we'll never forget watching the tank commander go sailing out into the ditch to the right and the tank exploding.


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[Assistant] We rounded a curve and unbeknownst to us, there were two Russian tanks manned by Koreans.


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[Assistant] Up this draw and they fired at this tank.


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[Assistant] Five people, at that time the tank had a crew of five. Four of them were killed in the tank, the tank commander.


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[Assistant] Was back in the United States less than two weeks after we left, or three weeks after we left. And that was my first day in combat in Korea. And, uh,


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[Assistant] I didn't remember what exact date it was, because it wasn't too long after that happened that we had the Inchon landing and everything broke out and we were heading north. So, it was a couple weeks, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Well, one thing about, uh, in a tank, the, the, the crews are inside the tank and as


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[Assistant] With the radio, you could direct people to do this and do that. Uh, and so, I just told them what they should be doing. And they did it. I mean, eh, eh, eh, I didn't eh, leadership is just telling people what they should do and


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[Assistant] I, I, I learned, uh, actually I learned, I talked to,


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[Assistant] And that's the major difference. When I was in World War II, I was just taking care of myself. I wasn't really


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[Assistant] That's very different when you're in a combat situation, and you got people depending on each other.


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[Assistant] We were all dependent upon each other when we were at a tank platoon. Each of us were trained to do a job and they did it. I mean, one of the things my platoon


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[Assistant] On paper it existed. It didn't exist physically. So what happened when we were activated? The guard house was emptied out.


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[Assistant] And we got replacements from Fort Hood, Texas. And that was my platoon. One of the best soldiers in my platoon was my loader who had spent most of his army career in the guard house. But you can't believe what a great soldier he was in combat. I mean, cause he knew what he was doing and he was trained to do it and he did it. I will never forget those young men. I mean,


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[Assistant] I'm still in e-mail contact with my former gunner, who's now retired as a command sergeant major, but he still calls me lieutenant. Because he was, he kept my ass out of trouble, I'll tell you that. I mean, he taught me more about how to be a platoon leader than anybody will ever understand.


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[Assistant] Not just my military career, but my commercial career too. I, I'm a strong believer in that leadership works not just in the military, but in commercial business.


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[Assistant] I wish I knew the answer to that. I mean, it just did it.


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[Assistant] I knew something had to be done.


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[Assistant] My radio communications with these guys on the ground wasn't working. So, you gotta, you gotta communicate.


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[Assistant] And the only way you can communicate, if the radio isn't working, you gotta get your butt off the, off the tank and down there so you can talk to these guys.


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[Assistant] Because they weren't trying to talk to me, I was trying to talk to them and get them figured out what the hell they should be doing. So, I just did it. I don't know what prompted me to do it. It's a good question because I have


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[Assistant] I don't remember how many opportunities we had.


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[Assistant] To really get into combat,


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[Assistant] After we cleared the Busan perimeter, until after we got north of Seoul, I mean, we, uh,


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[Assistant] The invading, I mean the invasion force, uh, uh, invaded pretty well clear to that stuff away. And so the city of Seoul was open when we, we went right through it. And uhm, we kept going north, uh,


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[Assistant] And we were just going as fast as we could, driving up the roads and, uh, uh, in fact, uh, our unit got almost to the Yellow River, uh,


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[Assistant] Which is about the time they decided to take the...


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[Assistant] In a tank, the tank commander sits his little thing to sit his butt on while he's riding around in the turret.


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[Assistant] Well you don't do that when you have a piece of metal working its way out. It is painful to say the least. And so I couldn't hardly wait


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[Assistant] When it got close to the surface, they evacuated me. And it was in November of 1950 that they sent me back to the hospital ship.


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[Assistant] And I, I got back to the unit eventually but I didn't get home by Christmas. In fact, the, uh,


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[Assistant] By the, by the time I got back to the unit, we were, the second division had already moved back south, uhm, almost to the, uhm, the Han River. And so, I, I found the unit again somewhere south of, somewhat north of the Han River, but still, we were still in North Korea, but it was the south part of North Korea.


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[Assistant] Later on, uh, I think the line stabilized pretty much around the 38th parallel, and there was a lot of


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[Assistant] The line sort of stabilized around the 38th peril. We would go forward.


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[Assistant] Blast forward, uh, to some enemy position, uh, get into a firefight, take the ground, and then we'd move back again. We were just going back and forth, uh,


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[Assistant] Oftentimes, uh, the infantry would, uh,


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[Assistant] Got into a lot more heavy firefights than the tanks would. I spent a lot of time supporting infantry attacks.


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[Assistant] I got back to the United States Labor Day of 1951. So I was evacuated.


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[Assistant] Scared the hell out of me. I mean I, I, I, I still remember this four month old child I hold for the first time. First time I've ever held anybody that size. Scared the hell out of me.


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[Assistant] I was more scared about that than a lot of the things that happened to me. But anyway, I came back.


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[Assistant] Went to Fort Knox, uh, went, they sent me, now they sent me to school to learn to be a platoon leader. And, and so, and then they, uh,


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[Assistant] Asked me if I wanted to stay there at Fort Knox and run an officer candy company. And I did. And so, I spent several years running an officer candy company. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] Anymore officer candy, uh, at Fort Knox. So they closed that down. And I got to, uh, selected to be an aide. Yeah. To, uh, John Waters. John Waters is, uh, with General Patton's son-in-law. And, uh, a wonderful experience. Learned a lot, uh, from a real gentleman.


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[Assistant] Uh, he was, uh, he ended, he is, he was a Brigadier General at that time, uh, became two stars, but he eventually retired as a four-star general and, uh, but he taught me a lot about,


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[Assistant] The 4th division, which, 4th Armored Division, which I had been in at Fort Hood.


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[Assistant] Rotate it to Germany and the 2nd Army Division is going to rotate back to Fort Hood.


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[Assistant] Rotated back to the United States in 59 to become a, uh, math professor at West Point. I spent four years being a math professor and then went to the Army, uh, the Command General Staff College out at Fort Leavenworth. And then the Army decided that they needed to have people counteracting


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[Assistant] They figured that somebody who had been teaching math probably could uh, so they sent me to the University of Michigan to get a degree in


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[Assistant] It turned out to be Apparitions Research, but the Army sent


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[Assistant] Me to be, get a degree in Automatic Data Processing, which they didn't have such a thing at Michigan, but, uh, the closest thing to it was Industrial Engineering Operations Research. So I spent two years there getting a degree, and then I,


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[Assistant] And statistical analysis and all that stuff. And so.


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[Assistant] Well, in fact, I've many times thought that body count was the dumbest thing we've ever come up with as a measure of success in combat. And I said that, I don't know how many times, and I,


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[Assistant] Over the time, and I was there participating in it, and it was terrible.


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[Assistant] Combat Operations Center of McPhee, which is the headquarters of all.


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[Assistant] And the Combat Operation Center was Westmoreland's, uh, Operation Center. And, uh, it was run by a Marine Brigadier General. Bill Jones, by name. Uh, and, uh,


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[Assistant] He was a great man, I mean, and I was his exec. And, uh, and we, uh,


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[Assistant] Quote, ran the war, so to speak. The word we is a very loose term.


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[Assistant] Headquarters right there in Saigon, and, uh,


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[Assistant] I used to go in at night once in a while because President Johnson was gonna talk to some of the action officers.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you, that was micromanagement of the First Order and I saw it, absolutely saw it happening more often than I care to remember. And, but, I had one of the evenings, I met one of my former colleagues, Armour, who was commanding the first, the fourth cavalry of the First Infantry Division.


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[Assistant] He told me he was going to rotate home in December. I said, can I get that job?


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[Assistant] He said he'd take me up and introduce me to General Depew, who was the division commander. And I went up and I passed the test. You'd have to know General Depew and, uh, he was a no-nonsense guy. Uh, he, he would,


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[Assistant] General Depew interviewed me, and General Hollingsworth did. It was the assistant division commander. And Hollingsworth was an old cavalryman. I mean, uh, and he couldn't, the two of them passed on me, said it was okay. And so I got, uh,


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[Assistant] Not as lucky as I was. I mean, I was able to fight my unit as a unit. I had, uh, uh, three ground troops. One, uh, I mean, uh, D-troop was a helicopter troop. It had 31 helicopters in it. And I had, the division commander would,


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[Assistant] Assigned, uh, B company of the Tank Battalion that was assigned to my unit. And then, since there wasn't any real enemy aircraft, he assigned, uh,


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[Assistant] Which is, you know, 70 square miles of trees.


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[Assistant] Historically, there's little communities of workers throughout this place and it became


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[Assistant] These little towns became havens for the North Korean, for the North, North Vietnamese. And, uh,


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[Assistant] So, we took it upon ourselves to evacuate everybody out of the little villages to the perimeter of the plantation.