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[Assistant] Well, you used the term, and we've heard it a couple of times while talking to you right now, entities, rather than like what people might think of, you know, demons or something. Right. Uhm, and in your book, Sister of Darkness, which by the way is an amazing title. I love that. That's so good. Immediately I was like, oh, grab that book.


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[Assistant] Uh, you talk about entities like, you know, the Clive, Erase, Tricksters, Realm Walkers, Collectors. Can you kind of give us a little bit of the differences, what those things are, what their differences are, and kind of how you approach each one, if you approach them differently?


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[Assistant] Well, the word, the name Clive is like so innocuous sounding that when you're like, you know, you're just walking over the Clive.


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[Assistant] I love that. That is cool. Yeah. So Clives are kind of like, you just have to kind of recognize that something is a myth and just try to rectify it a little bit within yourself. Okay.


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[Assistant] That one feels, like, right. Because we have a long line of people who have also dealt with the same thing. And I've always been like, oh, okay. That's interesting. And my kids had a few bouts of night terrors.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just kinda was like, this isn't happening for you guys, so like, I'm gonna take, cause


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[Assistant] They, they had like night terrors, like the night terrors where, you know, they're awake but not awake.


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[Assistant] And they're just kind of upset and we would just sit there and like kind of hug them until they were calmed down.


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[Assistant] My poor husband had no idea what was going on because he had never experienced it when he was younger.


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[Assistant] They woke up one night, we've told this story on the podcast before so listeners have heard it, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, one night they woke up and they were so upset, the two of them, I have seven year old twins.


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[Assistant] And they were saying that a group of people came in their room and were trying to cut their sheets with scissors.


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[Assistant] So I was like, alright, so I walked into the hallway, where they said they were, and I just stood there, and I was like, are they here? And they were like, yep, they're right there, and I was like,


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[Assistant] You guys are freaking out my kids. This is mean. This is our house. That is their room. Those are their sheets.


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[Assistant] She said she saw, she saw a skeleton, but her little voice would call him Skeletal.


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[Assistant] She said he was a nice guy, and he just hung out and smiled at her, and she wasn't even that scared of him, and then she was like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, like asking more questions instead of just being like, nah, nah, nah. Like they just ask a little more. Better to lean in.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And what about tricksters sound? I don't know about that. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Hi. Oh. Yeah, it just knew exactly what to present as, but it's just a different guy. That makes sense.


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[Assistant] Seriously, and you'd think once you get like an entity removed from you, and someone like you, like a professional is telling you like,


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[Assistant] You should do this to, like, make sure another one doesn't come in. You think that you'd be like, uh, yeaah. I'm gonna do that and I'm gonna do more. Like, I'd be like-


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[Assistant] But then there's more, right? Like, there are, there's, uh, what are, I love these names too. These last two names are so ominous to me. They are. Realmwalkers?


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[Assistant] Uh, and the last one I think is the collectors. Which to me sounds like the scariest. That sounds real ominous.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Okay. The Lizzie Borden house was like that. Actually yeaah, now that I think of it. When we went there.


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[Assistant] The stepmother's room upstairs. Yeah, we, we both were like, oh, I don't want to go in there. Like it just had a weird and I'd never felt that before. I was like, oh no, I don't want to go in there.


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[Assistant] It's a real heavy, there's parts of it that you're like, okay, like this, you feel a little wonky in there, but like, you're like, whatever, but there's, as you go up, it's like, ooh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, she would not, like our room was in the attic and we were like, no, and we just ended up sitting up in the sitting room actually where Andrew died.


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[Assistant] Wow. That's incredible. That makes so much sense though.


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[Assistant] A parenting that's hopefully gonna be like, I, cause I know a lot of people, all my friends who have kids are doing the same kind of thing where it's like, just let your kid feel how they feel. Right.


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[Assistant] And I can be really critical of myself, like I get imposter syndrome a lot. I'm constantly being like, yeah, no, like why do you, you don't deserve that. Like why, why are you getting that? And so I'm constantly having to come, and I can feel it, how negative it is when I do that to myself.


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[Assistant] No, no, like be kind to yourself. It feels better. And I feel like I'm a better person when I'm kinder to myself.


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[Assistant] Uh, last night, I woke up in the middle of the night, and you need to do this, and I was like, wow. And I should do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause it's been, we've been so stressed out in the last few weeks, so I was attributing, and I'm sure it was mostly because of that, that I've just been like, like my, I never have stomach issues, like I'm a very, like my stomach's like steel. Like, I'm like my dad, I can like wake up in the middle of the night and eat buffalo chicken and it's fine.


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[Assistant] Was that the, um, Paul Feig episode? Yes, yes it was.


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[Assistant] And I have to ask, cause you mentioned how you can like see these entity attachments on like film or in a, in a photo, all that.


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[Assistant] This is our recording area. We've had to move it around a lot and like shift energy a little bit. Cause there was a point we had this very differently set up. My hair is moving over there. There's a doll of Ash over in the corner and it has like string hair and every now and then the hair will just move around.


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[Assistant] But we also get like our weird, our like, our machines will make weird noises, like we have a road caster and it has a soundboard and the laugh or the applause track will play sometimes at like very specific times.


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[Assistant] It seems to be leading us in like good ways. It definitely does. We'll be trying to figure something out and we'll be like debating it and it will applause at one of the choices and we're always like, oh, we're listening to the road caster.


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[Assistant] And you know, I'm sure like you were, you were just mentioning like people would be like, that's devil shit. I imagine that you get some pushback and some criticism from people who are not open to it, who are skeptics. And what do you do to kind of...


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[Assistant] Either ignore it or what do you do to kind of not let it affect your vibrations, like not bum you out or make you angry?


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And honestly, because it was such a great book and this has been such an amazing conversation, like you're a fascinating and badass human. Magical human.


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[Assistant] Can you, do you have any upcoming projects coming up, you know, like?


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[Assistant] Anything related to you, your work as an exorcist, your work as an author, anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course. Totally. Does that make you feel safe about your decision to do it?


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[Assistant] And thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. This has been so fascinating. Such a cool conversation. We can't thank you enough.


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[Assistant] Thank you so much, and where can people follow you on social media if you wanna plug any of them? Oh yeah!


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[Assistant] I know, it really does. I wish we were allowed to do more. Yeah, cause they're fun. And you guys liked them. But, you know, here we are. All's well that ends well, I suppose. So, it's spooky season.


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[Assistant] Your listener tales are on it. I feel like our listeners are the kind of people that in school they have those little like, um, highlighter tabs for each section of the book. And I always used to be so jealous of those people. I'd be like, wow, I want to be like you. You guys are inspiring.


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[Assistant] Which yeaah, I know you love that. And I think it helps to think of it as trapped energy.


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[Assistant] Sarah, you saw a ghost and I feel like, so it sounds scary because that person was, you know, uh, carrying a hatchet or an axe. But you said that you lived in an old farmhouse. So maybe it was just somebody whose job used to be to like go out and do some farm shit. Like cutting shit with an axe or hatchet.


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[Assistant] Oh, that was a good one. Thanks, Sarah and Micah. Alright, so my next one is the time I got yeeted into a cemetery by an almost invisible man, Listener Tail. Ooh, I'm in. And let me open the dock.


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[Assistant] The way you guys present the material in such a funny way while also showing respect and tribute to the victims is one of the reasons, is just one of the reasons I love y'all. Thank you.


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[Assistant] I doubt you guys will ever do a live show in boring ass Illinois, and I said that on purpose, but it's just a silly joke. That made me upset. Good.


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[Assistant] But I hope to attend one somewhere soon. Unfortunately, this is not a podifa because technology, but I still used an easy font to read and it's double spaced. Sorry in advance for any grammar mistakes. I have a psychology degree, not an English degree. Ha ha.


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[Assistant] Hope you ladies enjoy and I hope to hear this on the podcast soon. I have several other stories I'll be submitting as well. Hell yea. Well, here we go. The time I almost got yeeted into the cemetery by an almost invisible man.


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[Assistant] Once upon a time, I lived in one of the smallest, most redneck towns I have ever ventured into. This town was nicknamed Crossroads of America because of all the interstates intersected here.


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[Assistant] The ones running north and south as well as the ones running east and west. The mix of local rednecks and out of town truckers always made things interesting, in the way of stories at least.


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[Assistant] Before I moved to this magical place made up of cornfields, churches, and low-class sleazy bars, I already had a little knowledge of some of the town's history because I had friends that had lived there their whole lives and had told me hundreds of stories.


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[Assistant] One of the most, or excuse me, one of the places I initially heard a lot about was a place called Kasbar Cemetery. Supposedly, it was haunted.


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[Assistant] Me, coming from an extremely religious family, had never really believed in anything supernatural. A theme.


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[Assistant] No matter how many times I heard about some supernatural experience, I still wasn't convinced. Until the day I decided to find out for myself.


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[Assistant] We were all bored as hell and itching for something to do. I've been in...


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[Assistant] Sorry, I've been an everyday weed-spoker since I was 18, so that was my usual form of entertainment.


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[Assistant] My friends would come over and we'd smoke at my house, outside my house, in the car, on the way to go somewhere, and anytime in between.


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[Assistant] Hard fucking pass for me. I'm always the most chill laid back person in a group, so everyone knew I would eventually cave.


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[Assistant] After about 30 minutes of relentless begging and coaxing me, I finally decided I'd go. What the hell.


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[Assistant] Damn. It wasn't really haunted. Oh, I was gonna say, maybe Baffy was like, hey, don't talk shit, but here I am. Maybe. Sorry, Baffs, I didn't learn. Uh, it's always funny to me when people are like, I don't believe in like haunted stuff, like the ghosts aren't real, but then they're scared to go to a haunted location. Cause I'm like, you scared of ghosts. Cause I'm like, a little part of you believes, you know?


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[Assistant] Although I was not happy about going, this group of people was a good one. Nobody did drugs, besides smoking weed, which isn't a drug. Nobody had any type of mental health issues, and everyone was super chill and down to earth.


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[Assistant] I knew none of them would pretend they saw something that they didn't or purposely try to freak me out.


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[Assistant] Anyway, I reluctantly said, let's get this over with before it gets too dark. So we headed out.


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[Assistant] To get to Kasbar, you had to go out of town about 10 miles down curvy, narrow country roads. I fucking love it. I'm into this.


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[Assistant] Honestly, thinking back, it seemed pretty hidden. You wouldn't know it was there if you didn't know it was there. And probably for good reason, but did our stoned asses care? Fuck no.


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[Assistant] Fuck no. On the way there, of course, everyone started talking about all the crazy experiences they had out at Casbar. Red eyes staring at them from the middle of the woods surrounding the cemetery, hearing voices when nobody was there, having car problems while on the property, you name it.


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[Assistant] We slowly turn down the road, and when I say narrow, I mean narrow as fuck y'all. There was barely enough room for our car, and definitely not two.


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[Assistant] The road was dirt and there was a ditch on either side that dropped down about five feet. Fuck that. That makes me nervous because you feel trapped.


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[Assistant] Well, Bethany said that alone made me nervous. This road was probably about half a mile long and was surrounded by thick woods and trees that slumped over, creating a blanket of leaves above us, making everything seem darker and creepier than it already was.


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[Assistant] As soon as we pulled onto the dirt road, the energy in the air felt different. Not necessarily bad or scary, just noticeably different. Because of the shape of the road, we continued on extremely slowly.


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[Assistant] A little relevant background info on the place. Kazmar had been called haunted for years and years. It was very old, and nobody living in the area at the time had any relatives buried there.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe like generations ago, but nobody personally knew anyone buried there because the cemetery had been closed many years before any of us were even born.


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[Assistant] So if someone was at Casbar, it was either to do something illegal or try to get something supernatural to happen. That's awesome, except for the illegal part.


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[Assistant] Because the property was known for drug use and other illegal activities, if the owner of the land saw anyone there, he would immediately call the cops.


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[Assistant] So not very often did you run across anyone else out there. If you did happen to see someone, they usually dipped out fast as hell to avoid getting in trouble. That makes sense. Anyway, we were about halfway down this dirt road when this dark medium sized SUV started coming toward us.


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[Assistant] Anyone who was familiar with this road knew that it wasn't wide enough for two cars and you had to wait for one car to go all the way down the road before another car could start coming the opposite way.


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[Assistant] At first, we figured the person coming toward us would realize the road was too narrow and reverse far enough for us to get past. But instead, he kept coming toward us, moving closer and closer to our side of the road.


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[Assistant] It was around dusk at this point, so although we could make out the color and shape of the car coming toward us, we couldn't get a clear picture of what the driver looked like.


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[Assistant] His face and head almost look transparent. I don't know any other way to describe it.


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[Assistant] I could tell that he was white and had dark hair, but that was about it.


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[Assistant] He was staring straight at us through his windshield as he continued to get closer and closer to us. What was he doing? He could obviously tell he was about to run us off the road.


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[Assistant] When he was about six feet away from our car, he finally started slowing down and I let out a sigh of relief. And then, something even weirder happened.


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[Assistant] Even though the car was fine and had been driving perfectly fine this whole time, all of the sudden the car started veering to the right all by itself.


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[Assistant] The driver, Jade, was turning the steering wheel to the left and it kept pulling to the right.


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[Assistant] We had two choices, stop the car completely and risk having an interaction with this creepy dude who had tried running us off the road, or continue driving and hope that we could make it down the rest of the road without wrecking.


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[Assistant] After seeing the mysterious man had completely stopped his car at this point, we decided to keep going.


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[Assistant] I can't even explain the pull we felt on the car. Someone or something was trying to pull us off the side of the road. And hard.


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[Assistant] Between worrying about that and trying to figure out who this dude was and why he was trying to run us off the road, my head was spinning. Finally, we made it to the end of the road in, uh, to the end of the road into the entrance of the cemetery.


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[Assistant] There was a small little spot just big enough to turn around to head out.


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[Assistant] We pulled in and stopped facing the cemetery so we could keep a watch out for anything strange.


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[Assistant] When the SUV came speeding into the lot, we were in and pulled up right next to us. I would have shit myself. Yep. If it had been a cop, he definitely would have gotten out of his vehicle to see what we were doing. And it was the same car that had tried to run us off the road.


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[Assistant] As he pulled, as he slowly pulled up perfectly parallel to our car and came to a stop.


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[Assistant] Our faces all turned white as if we'd seen a ghost. Because maybe we fucking had. I think you had. I think you had.


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[Assistant] To this day, I still cannot accurately describe the description of this man. Nothing does it justice. This man definitely had a human body and features, but his face was really almost transparent. Very white, but transparent-like. I feel like people say that about us because we're so pale.


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[Assistant] His facial features were a little blurred, but we could definitely make out that this was a, that it was a man with dark hair, medium sized, and driving a dark SUV.


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[Assistant] And started to pull out of the cemetery and onto that god awful narrow dirt road.


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[Assistant] We got about five feet away from the other vehicle when he jerked his car into drive and peeled out in order to get behind us and quickly.


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[Assistant] This is when the panic really started to set in. This definitely was not the owner of the cemetery or even someone visiting a grave.


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[Assistant] Who was he and why was he following us aggressively?


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[Assistant] The panic was thick in the air, but we were all trying to stay calm, to avoid freaking each other the fuck out.


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[Assistant] Jade drove as fast as she could, but it was very difficult considering the condition of the road. The last thing we wanted was to slide off the road or hit anything, forcing us to stop the car and dealing with whatever this dude wanted. Poor Jade. I know. Like I'm feeling for Jade right now. Seriously. I'm also like, you're all stoned while this is happening. That's like another level of panic.


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[Assistant] As I mentioned before, this road was about a half a mile long, and when you can only go 20 miles an hour and have to dodge potholes and animals, it can take a while to get to the end.


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[Assistant] We didn't have too much further to go, but it seemed like a thousand miles. At this point, we were all panicking. We were out in the country, alone at night, with no cell service. What were we going to do if he somehow caught up with us, or got out of his car, or even worse? In the next five seconds, this dude got as close to the back of our car as he possibly could.


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[Assistant] I'm sure he was actually probably touching the back of our car with his at this point.


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[Assistant] It definitely seemed like he was trying to run us off the road as fast as possible.


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[Assistant] Right when my anxiety hit the fan, I looked up in the rearview mirror, and the dude was gone. I mean, vanished.


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[Assistant] His car was nowhere in sight when one second prior he had been right on our tail.


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[Assistant] Remember, this road was so narrow that it wasn't possible to turn around, and there were no other roads to turn down off this road.


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[Assistant] He literally had been right there. What the fuck?


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[Assistant] I announced to everyone in the car that there was, uh, no longer a creeper behind us. No one believed me until they rolled down their windows, stuck their heads out, and saw for themselves. They all were as shook as I was. Where the fuck did he go?


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[Assistant] By this point we had slowed down to a stop, still in shock. We sat there for a minute or two thinking and going over what had just happened. We had all seen it. None of us were on any drugs besides the weed that we had smoked, and we all recalled the exact same details.


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[Assistant] The end of the road was literally 50 yards in front of us. Jade put the car in drive and sped to the end of the road.


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[Assistant] We pulled out onto the paved road and sat and waited. We didn't know what we were waiting for, but I think we were all hoping to discover some sort of explanation. But the dude never came out.


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[Assistant] We waited for probably 30 minutes trying to see if he had reversed all the way back to the cemetery or if he was eventually going to come out onto the main road, but neither happened.


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[Assistant] It would be next to impossible to reverse all the way back down that road with all the sharp turns and potholes and ditches. Did he fucking vanish? Were we all trippin'? Either way, we all decided right then and there.


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[Assistant] That we would never be visiting that place again. Although my friends had all been there multiple times and had seen supernatural things happen, for some reason this was so much scarier. I've come up with so many explanations in my head for what I think could have happened, but honestly, I think Caspar was truly haunted and that some force or spirit did not want us there that day.


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[Assistant] From the creepy dude trying to run us off the road, to the even more creepy unknown force trying to pull us off the road, to the ghost-like transparent mystery man tailing us and then disappearing, I've thought about this evening many times, many, many times, and I will never know what truly happened, but it will always be an experience I will never forget.


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[Assistant] And next time someone asks me to go with them to the haunted cemetery, I'll probably just say no.


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[Assistant] Thanks for reading, ladies, and keep it weird, but not so weird that, take it away, Ash, not so weird that you got convinced to go to a spooky cemetery while you're super duper zooted and you drive all the way there and you get ran off the road almost and the guy disappears.


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[Assistant] Or a great name for a dog breed. Ooh, your house is beautiful.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I forget the case where I learned about Mr. Big, uh, sting operations.


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[Assistant] I love it. Do we have time for one more? I think we have time for one more. Alright, I'm going to do Listener Tale, A Ghost Saved My Husband's Family? And it has an attached podifa.


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[Assistant] So here goes my long tale about a ghost who saved my husband's family from a fire and also a myriad of other things that have happened to me over the last 34 years.


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[Assistant] Let's start from the beginning. It's the best place to start. My husband Rob's family bought an old house in the mountains of Pennsylvania surrounded by state forest land 34 years ago when my husband was born.


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[Assistant] They've used this house for a family getaway since then, for hunting, fishing, for wheeling, and a host of other things that would cause you ladies to inevitably say fresh air is for dead people.


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[Assistant] Rob's whole family has stories upon stories of things that have happened in that house. My mother-in-law tells the story of when she was sitting on one of the old-ass dirt original beds that they still have. Oh, old-ass dirt, excuse me. I was like a dirt bed.


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[Assistant] Old as dirt original beds that they still have. You know, the kind that sink and creak at around metal hospital box type springs. When she felt someone sit down next to her.


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[Assistant] She thought it was one of her kids who were little at the time. She looked around. Nope, no one was there.


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[Assistant] To which I say, why would you keep the original creepy furniture in this place?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a, that's a no for me. It's, you know, it's for the vibes. It's a no for me.


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[Assistant] Then there is the apparition that my sister-in-law has seen off and on her whole life. In the living room, there's this big window that you can look out and see wildlife that may come down the hill as well as the fire pit. That's beautiful.


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[Assistant] She says she's seen a man sitting at the campfire when no one was out there. She describes the man as wearing boots, flannel, and some type of worn brown pants and a brown hat. She says she's also seen him a second time in one of the bedrooms upstairs, this room called the ghost room for reasons that I'll state later.


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[Assistant] There was also the time my mother and father in law were laying in their bed and saw lights flickering across the ceiling.


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[Assistant] Once my in-laws found the same newspaper clipping picture floating a few inches from the ground. Nothing around it.


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[Assistant] And it was turned so that you could see the back of it, which was an obituary reading.


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[Assistant] Can you turn it to me? Because I don't want to lose my place. Yeah. Let me make it big. Make it big cause I can't see. So this is it. Oh my god. And then. What the fuck? It's floating. That's some Matilda shit right there. Honey.


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[Assistant] It was a cold Friday night in February and Rob's family was heading up to the house. This was in the 90s and 90s. Kevin on TikTok. Of course. It was Rob's two parents, his grandmom, him and his two sisters, all who were little at the time. It was freezing upon arrival.


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[Assistant] This house has an old wood burning stove in the living room, which is used to heat the whole house.


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[Assistant] After this was all done, it was after midnight, and everyone was very tired. Around 2am, Grandmom woke up.


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[Assistant] Oh, excuse me, woke everyone up saying there was smoke in the hallway. She'd been asleep and heard one of the kids coughing. She felt someone push her hard in the back and she figured it was the coughing child who came to wake her.


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[Assistant] They didn't see open flames, just a lot of smoke where the pipe met the wall.


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[Assistant] They put out the fire, the neighbor let the family sleep at his house, and everyone was safe. The next day, Grandmom told everybody what had happened, and how she'd mysteriously been pushed awake.


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[Assistant] That is until my daughter was born in 2020 and we moved back to the northeast where we could visit frequently and take care of the house. That's right.


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[Assistant] I do however always feel like I'm looking over my shoulder and always waiting for something creepy to happen with the baby monitor, but nothing yet.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So this is a story of our mountain house in the Pennsylvania wilderness. Jesus. Sorry I couldn't say that. I attached a picture of the floating obituary as well as my daughter living her best life playing there. So cute. Adorable.


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[Assistant] But do keep it so weird that you're a kind neighbor who lets a family come stay at your house when theirs catches on fire.


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[Assistant] The floating obituary is wild. That's wild. That's truly something. You got a floating obituary there. Guys, you did the damn thing for October. You always do.


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[Assistant] You always do, and I hope that we did too, because I think we only have like one more October thing for you. Yeah. So party!


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[Assistant] Truly, truly, you know how much we love coffee, and we get to introduce the first morbid coffee with Dead Sled Coffee!


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[Assistant] The absolute most perfect and badass collab out there. I have been loving Dead Sled for literal years at this point. I've been a fan girlie of Dead Sled Coffee. And OG. They've collabed with some of my favorite people like Elvira, they have Rob Zombie Coffee, like they're


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[Assistant] I'm losing my mind at this collaboration.


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[Assistant] I'm even more excited possibly because Ash's packaging is ash to a T. It is literally spellbinding pink packaging. Pink! And it's called Ash's Witches Brew, which is made for all you witches on the go go go on the go go go go go go go.


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[Assistant] And we love it because it's a medium dark roast which has an essence of lavender and honey in it. Very ash. And it's the perfect blend to harness the power of your fucking higher self.


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[Assistant] And not only this, so that we have this coffee coming out, the two different ones, you can also get one of the new zodiac mugs out of our zodiac mug collection that we're launching. It's gonna go along with your coffee blend of choice.


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[Assistant] Where are my fellow cappies out there? Gemini's. And what's exciting too is this is also gonna come with a coffee tray that can hold all your coffee, accoutrements, all your essentials, and it comes in two different styles. Hell yeaah. One's ashy and one's elainey. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] We're bringing it, we're bringing you some grey old timey shenanigans.


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[Assistant] It's like greyscale. Yea. You know what this is. Brought to you by Grey.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, today's gonna be an old timey one.


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[Assistant] It's an interesting one because it's just got so many old timey elements to it, like it's got heirs and estates and land owning and I just slam my head into my microphone. Land owning. Land owning, you know, so old timey.


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[Assistant] Somebody told us. It's true, they had come to uhm, a like tentative agreement.


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[Assistant] Ah, so it's still tentative. So, well, everybody's got to sign off on it. Okay. But hey-o, sounds good. Okay, let's go, brothers. Sorry, I knew you were looking forward to that. Let's go, brothers. I was.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's, it's very, like if you, I want you to look up Stanfield Hall. Okay. And if you look up Stanfield Hall Murders, you will get a picture of the...


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[Assistant] The place that this happened as it looks today. It is the most gorgeous estate I have ever seen.


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[Assistant] And I'm pretty sure it sold like recently for like 5.25 million or it was on sale for 5.25 million. Is it this? Yes, it's gorgeous.


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[Assistant] A guy named Isaac Jeremy and his son found themselves under attack at their Windman Ham estate, Stanfield Hall in England. I think it was Norwich where it was. What led to their murders was a long feud that like I said involved estates, rightful heirs, and angry land tenants.


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[Assistant] So, and the guy that did it, that was convicted of doing it, and at the end we'll obviously tell you who, uh, he had a lot of stuff go on in his life that you're like, there's a lot of coincidences around you. That when you look back on it, you're like, huh.


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[Assistant] Coincidences? Air bunnies, air bunnies, quote unquote. Yikes. Uh, so let's get into it. Well first let's talk about the Jeremy family, because these are the victims, these are the ones that only stayed at the time. Okay.


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[Assistant] So, born Isaac Preston on September 23rd, 1789, Isaac Jeremy had resided at the family's estate, which is Stanford Hall.


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[Assistant] For pretty much all of his life. There were some years in between where he spent some time training at Westminster School to become a lawyer.


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[Assistant] But other than that, it was Stanfield Hall or bust. He was living there. I feel that. But after he graduated from Westminster and he got admitted to the bar, bully for him. That's pretty great. He practiced law in Norwich and after this he ended up taking a seat on the Norfolk


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[Assistant] Now when his father, Reverend George Preston, died in 1837, Isaac inherited the family estate.


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[Assistant] And it was then that he took the name, and this is where it gets a little like, you're like, what the fuck's happening right now? Cause old timey shit gets weird. It does. When he inherited this estate in Stanfield Hall, he took the name of his ancestor, William Jeremy, which was necessary


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[Assistant] For him to take ownership of the family estate. You gotta change your whole last name if you get, like, land transferred to you. So instead of being a Preston, he now had to be a Jeremy. Because the Jeremy's owned the estate? Yeah.


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[Assistant] So it's like the, it was like necessary by law. Weird. And so he also had to take on the Jeremy coat of arms for it to become legally his. I kinda like the tradition of it all.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, well, he could keep Isaac, but he had to be Isaac Jeremy now. Okay. So now maybe I wasn't clear about that, but he, yeah.


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[Assistant] Isaac Preston became Isaac Jerm. So it's like you're marrying the house. I was just gonna say. So it's like, yeah, you're taking someone else's name. You're taking the house's name. The surname. Yeah, okay. I like that. You know, Stanfield Hall should. It deserves that. You know, I would marry that place. Why not?


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[Assistant] So he became Jeremy. He has the Jeremy coat of arms.


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[Assistant] And at the time of his death, he lived in the house with his son, Isaac Jeremy Jr. Oh my god! I know. He also lived with Isaac Jeremy Jr.'s wife, who was pregnant at the time of the murders, and several domestic workers who lived on the estate. So this guy lives with his son and his daughter-in-law. Exactly. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uh, and like a bunch of people who worked in the house.


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[Assistant] Now, following the death of Reverend George Preston, so his dad, exactly, in 1837, Thomas Jeremy and his cousin John Larner, part of the fam,


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[Assistant] Both members of, but not direct heirs of the Jeremy family.


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[Assistant] They were like, wait a second. No, no, no. Why is Isaac Preston now Jeremy getting this entire shit? Why is he taking possession of the estate?


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[Assistant] I wanna claim it for me, I'm a Jeremy. But you're not, you're not the Jeremy. But he's not a director. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's fake as fuck. That sounds simple to me. Right? They wanna try to take it, claim it for themselves, and I say nice try, Dudersons, but it's not gonna happen. The bloodline just doesn't work that way. Exactly. I'M THE OLDEST BOY!


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[Assistant] Uh, so when they tried to convince the courts that they were the rightful heirs, meaning Thomas, Jeremy, and his cousin John Larner, uh, that was in September 1838, the courts were like, no.


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[Assistant] No, you're not. Yeah. So, not one to sit down and, you know, listen to logic. Thomas Jeremy gathered a group of laborers and attempted to take the estate by force. Oh my god, like Gaston in Beauty and the Beast? Yeah, they tried to storm the castle and be like, it's mine.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, he gasped on it, and everybody had torches and shit, and they were gonna take that shit by force. But they were turned away by a name, by a man, by a name. By a name? A name came strolling out and was like, I don't know. I'm sure he had a name. He did, his name was James Rush.


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[Assistant] Uh, he served as Isaac Jeremy's bailiff at the time, and he came out and was like, no, no, no. Because Isaac Jeremy said bailiff? Bailiff!


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[Assistant] Uh, but Thomas, so they got turned away. James Rush was like, I don't think so. I'll fuck you all up.


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[Assistant] Rather than try to convince them to come out, like coax them out, Isaac Jeremy called for military assistance. And, uh, they were forcibly taken out of the house by military assistance. This is insane.


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[Assistant] Thomas Jeremy and John Larner each only served three months for the offense against Isaac Jeremy, and the laborers that they assembled for the purpose of breaking into this house, they got even lighter sentences.


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[Assistant] Uh, he was the county recorder and he could have easily pursued


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[Assistant] Very tough sentences against these, especially Thomas and John. Right. The ringleaders. Cause they'd seized his home, like, you could've fucked them up. After trying multiple times. He had all the right to, and he had all the power to, but he chose not to.


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[Assistant] It's family. And even with that, even with Isaac being like,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna let you just serve a little bit of a sentence and hopefully that kind of knocks some sense into you. Still, the animosity over the incident got really bad. Uh oh. And there was still the continued belief that Isaac Jeremy wasn't the rightful heir.


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[Assistant] So it created a huge rift between the families that continued until Isaac's death in 1848. Wow. Uhm, so during the first attempted takeover of the Stanfield Estate, uhm,


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[Assistant] James Rush, who I talked about before the bailiff, his name was James Bloomfield Rush, he actually played like a huge role in stopping the men from trying to take over the house, like that was him who stopped that.


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[Assistant] But even though he was still in em, in employment with, uh, Isaac Jeremy at the time that this all ended, like when like, you know.


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[Assistant] Thomas and John were sentenced to three months and all that.


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[Assistant] The relationship between them had kind of soured. It had become a little complicated by this time. So even though he was a huge role in stopping that whole thing in the first place.


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[Assistant] And that affair ended pretty quickly when he was like two years old.


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[Assistant] She actually, Mary sued this man for breach of promise and was awarded a lot of money, like a good amount of money by the courts because he was supposed to marry her. Right. But she used that money to care for her son.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so she ended up, luckily Mary ended up meeting another man, James Bloom, uh, James Rush, and he was like, you know what, I like this little kid, I wanna marry you.


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[Assistant] So she convinced him, like, you know, this can be your father. Okay. This is your father figure now. And Mr. Rush, I'll call him Mr. Rush just to make it easier, cause James Rush. Yeah, yeah. So the father, Mr. Rush.


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[Assistant] He basically treated him as his own child and even amended his name to include his surname. Wow.


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[Assistant] Who is Isaac Jeremy's father. Father, okay. Yeaah, I know.


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[Assistant] I'm glad, I'm glad that it's making sense. And Reverend George Preston, uh, so had given them this home, which they could rent. Uh, it was like a modest house adjacent to the Stanfield Hall Estate. Oh, like a guest house kind of? Yeah, it was kind of like that whole thing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, again, Mr. Rush, the stepfather, he didn't have any children of his own at the time that he married Mary. Right. So he really did treat James as his own son. He sent him to the best school in the area. Uhm, and upon completing schooling, James Jr. there,


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[Assistant] And there were definitely rumors everywhere and gossip that he had definitely set that fire.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and even rumors that he was going to be arrested for arson, but there was no proof of him being the arsonist, so the company did pay out the claim.


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[Assistant] Probably like so begrudgingly. Yea, and it definitely gave him a false sense of confidence. Like, ooh, I got away with it.


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[Assistant] So a few years later in 1830, while still living under that tenancy agreement with Bulwer, with a farm where he was living, James again found that he was losing money. He was struggling financially. But this time,


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[Assistant] Uh, he started blaming outside sources, not like his inability to farm, now he's blaming the competition.


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[Assistant] Other farmers for his inability to make a profit. It was all their fault. Not that he couldn't do it.


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[Assistant] And so he decided, you know what, instead of working harder or trying something else that I might be better at, uh, I'm just going to turn to more felonious behavior.


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[Assistant] So he assembled a mob of laborers, which seems like something that a lot of people enjoyed doing back then, I guess. Yeaah. You get mad and you just assemble laborers. Call up some laborers. And he led them to a farm in nearby Folsham.


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[Assistant] Where once they got there, they destroyed a ton of pieces of huge farm equipment and then they


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[Assistant] All ran in opposite directions, so they fucked up all the farm equipment and then left, basically trying to make it so this farm would get...


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[Assistant] Wouldn't be able to function. So he was trying to fuck up the competition instead of just doing better himself. That's not a good way to win. He did end up, Rush was arrested a short time later, and he was tried, especially for leading the mob, but no verdict was ever returned, and he was released into his own recognizance to keep the peace. What? So it's just like,


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[Assistant] Now, his tenancy agreement with bulwark came to an end in 1835, probably to everyone's, like, few.


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[Assistant] And that's when he entered into a new tenancy agreement with Reverend George Preston, Isaac Jeremy's father. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he had known him as a child, because remember, he had grown up on that property with his stepfather and his mom.


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[Assistant] So he knew this man, he knew the Preston family, knew all of them.


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[Assistant] And so they were like, yep, we'll give you a tenancy agreement to live on our property. So with this new agreement, he was allotted a parcel of farmland and a home.


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[Assistant] I guess it was kind of, this is another little like side note, cause it's weird that I'm doing this one right now, cause this makes weird sense to me now. Uhm, I'm reading Slewfoot by Brom.


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[Assistant] It's a really good book. You guys should read it. Check it out. I think I posted it on my stories, but I'll post it again.


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[Assistant] And uh, in that, it's from like the 16th or 1700s. Yeaah. They have a similar agreement of like, I'll tenant out this farmland to you. You have to pay me rent and also give me a percentage of the profits for like 10 years. Okay. And that's part of the story in Sleuthoot. So hearing this now, I'm like, this is weird that this is coming back.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I didn't mean for that to line up like that. Life is a simulation. So you know, he's got a deal. He's living on there. He's got his own farm. He's just got to share some of it.


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[Assistant] So what he did was he also entered into a second tenancy agreement for his father-in-law under the same conditions.


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[Assistant] But this time he was going to be paying 130 pounds per year. So he's under a tenancy agreement with.


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[Assistant] So he's paying out, but he's making money. It's one of those things that used to happen very often back then.


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[Assistant] In the next year, he actually entered into a third agreement for tenancy with Preston again.


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[Assistant] He's paying out this money to three different, well, Preston, he's given two different rents to, and then he's paying off his father-in-law.


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[Assistant] But he's also got this new position now advising Reverend Preston. So he's like, he's getting there, he's doing good.


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[Assistant] Seems like it's gonna be like, alright, let's go. Right. And you know what, for Rush, this whole thing was good. And life and working with George Preston was good. But when he died in 1837,


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[Assistant] So is that like a get out of jail free card for him? So that's not, it's not good for any, it's like his land is technically like- Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] So although Isaac did keep Roshan as his steward once his father had died, he rescinded


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[Assistant] But he issued these leases at slightly higher rates from the other agreement.


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[Assistant] So it sounds like Reverend George Preston was like, kinda doing him a little bit of a solid. Yeaah. And Isaac was like, I'm gonna run things a little different here. Yeaah. Which, at least he was, he was like, I'll give you new ones. But like, for the right price.


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[Assistant] Now, despite the increased fees being more or less comparable to the rates of the day, the increase was the first issue.


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[Assistant] In their relationship. The first issue in a series of events that would eventually lead to Isaac Jeremy being murdered.


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[Assistant] Oh, so several years later in late 1843, Isaac got his eye on a potash farm, I think it's how you say it, potash. Okay. Uhm, that abutted the land on, on the place where Stanfield Hall was sitting. Okay. And he directed Rush, his steward.


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[Assistant] To go assess the land's value and to make an offer of purchase to the seller. So he was like, go get that land for me.


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[Assistant] But immediately after that, Rush went back and submitted his own bid on the property


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[Assistant] That's the thing, it's like, that's stole out from under him. Yeah, like what the fuck? What's your plan there, dude? And Isaac Jeremy was pissed. He was not pleased by this, cause he was like, you're duplicitous, what the fuck? Yeah. But, even then...


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[Assistant] He agreed to lend the man the money to purchase the land. He was like, well you outbid me.


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[Assistant] But I have to give you the money? Yeah. That doesn't even make any sense. Exactly, cause he's like under his tenancy.


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[Assistant] And so he was like, alright, sure. And he wrote up a new agreement for the amount of 5,000 pounds. And under the terms of the new agreement, the sale was charged to the Jeremy estate and mortgage to Rush at 4% interest per year. Oof.


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[Assistant] I think by now you can see, it's getting messy. Yeah. This is messy business.


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[Assistant] We're intertwining a lot of things, there's a lot of, uh, faith being placed on people's, you know, honesty. In which they have none.


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[Assistant] Of which it doesn't look like there's a ton going around. Uhm, and also, and here's where the side note comes in about James Rush.


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[Assistant] He owned, he ended up owning this land along with his stepfather, Mr. Rush. Okay. And on October 24th, 1844, they, the two of them, Mr. Rush and his son, James Bloomfield Rush, they went out hunting together alone. And when they returned alone,


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[Assistant] Rush Sr. was in the kitchen of this property admiring Rush Jr.'s new shotgun when it accidentally went off. They were alone.


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[Assistant] Ohhhh. Rush Sr. was killed by this. When they were alone. When they were alone. And he was just admiring the shotgun. Yup. And it just boom. They had a wonderful hunting trip before that together. Yup. Huh. Yeah.


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[Assistant] One would look at this and maybe say, sus. Were you looking to get money from his estate? Well, unfortunately for him,


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[Assistant] Rush Senior had left his estate to his wife Mary. Well yeaah. James' mother. Mom, uh oh.


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[Assistant] But you know, whatever, he didn't get paid no matter what, so it didn't mean anything. So now in 18, there'll be more of that, by the way.


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[Assistant] So now in 1844, this meant that Rush now owned three farms with tenancy agreements held by Isaac Jeremy.


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[Assistant] And in the years that followed, Rush borrowed more money to renovate and expand his farming operation. So he was under a lot of debt.


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[Assistant] And by October 1847, he'd fallen very behind on his payments to Jeremy.


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[Assistant] And was eventually served eviction papers from the property on the Stanfield Hall Estate.


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[Assistant] And at this point, he went to live, so that, uhm, that property on the Stanfield Hall Estate, he got evicted from. Okay. And he ended up moving to live on the Potash Farm.


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[Assistant] Potash, it just feels right. Or patash. Patash. No, I like potash. Patash seems like you're spitting, you're like, patash. Yeah. You know, like, patoo. But, either way, not farm.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a few months later when Rush still didn't pay Jeremy after he moved to that other farm.


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[Assistant] Uh, Isaac filed suit for breach of covenants and the case went to trial in March 1848. So now he's suing him for not paying him.


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[Assistant] Good. The same year, James Rush's mother died. Mary. I knew that was coming. And it was said...


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[Assistant] That James was incredibly attentive to her in her final days.


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[Assistant] We're quoted as saying that they witnessed him serving her soaked breads by hand right before she passed away. Soaked in what?


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[Assistant] You know, his stepfather has died under a strange and tragic circumstance. Not long after.


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[Assistant] That money's mine, right? And they said, nope, it's your mom's. And he said, oh.


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[Assistant] Then his mom died under tragic circumstances with him being by her side in her last moments. And then he says, that money's mine, right? And they say,


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[Assistant] You know, being not a man to sit down and let things just play out the way that they're supposed to, he forged her signature and did an amendment on the documents to make him in control of her money.


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[Assistant] And if that doesn't tell you a little bit about what possibly happened, I don't know what does. Oh no, no, no, no, no. Seems a little suspicious. Just a little. A little suspicious, you know? I don't know. I wasn't there. Maybe this is all, maybe he's just being followed by very ghastly coincidences, but I don't know. Take what you will from it. He ended up getting control of the money.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and yeaah. Meanwhile, as that's happening, the eviction and the lawsuit with Isaac Jeremy is only worsening their relationship.


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[Assistant] It had already been crumbling and it's getting worse at this point. Right. Uhm, in a few weeks after the trial,


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[Assistant] James Rush actually published and distributed a pamphlet


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[Assistant] He put forth the false claim that Isaac Jeremy had no right to the property in the first place.


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[Assistant] His whole conduct and keeping possession and taking the name of Jeremy and his behavior to those poor people who have a right to it.


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[Assistant] ...has been most villainous and disgraceful to any man who have any pretension to respectability, and which I should be most happy to prove when called on to do so. If there's any truth in the Bible...


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[Assistant] Such villainy is sure to be overtaken, and that when it may be at least expected.


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[Assistant] So he's saying if there's any truth to the, to the Bible.


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[Assistant] Plan, that he is setting into motion, that he's like, okay, you wanna fuck with me because I didn't pay you what you are rightfully owed? That's what I love, he's like, oh, oh, what, you wanna be paid what you are rightfully owed, sir? How dare you? No, no. You're gonna bring me to court to get money that I owe you? Huh?


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[Assistant] No, I'm gonna fuck with you. And he's like, I'm gonna destroy your reputation.


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[Assistant] And it became even clearer when they found a letter he had sent to his own son in April, just after the pamphlet had been published.


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[Assistant] But I do not want anyone to know this except for your wife and her aunt.


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[Assistant] But over the summer and into the fall of 1848, Rush got to schemin' and schemin' and schemin'.


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[Assistant] And all he wanted to do was get out of those leases with Jeremy, cause he was like, get me out of here. And he's enlisted the help of none other than Thomas Jeremy and John Larner. I knew we weren't done with them yet. And in a letter from October 3rd, 1848, Rush laid out his plan.


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[Assistant] So he said after the new possessors take possession of Stanfield Hall,


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[Assistant] Exactly. Help me take over the place, you get Stanfield Hall, and then by taking over Stanfield Hall, you take on my tenancy agreements, you give me a lower rate, and we all win. Okay. Which is, to them, sounds, must sound like a good plan, I would think.


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[Assistant] They weren't exactly confident in Rush's ability to prove.


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[Assistant] So the two of them said, no thank you. Which is shocking. Uh, but then. They said, we've had enough.


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[Assistant] So they were like, no thank you, we're good. But then James Rush produced what he claimed to be.


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[Assistant] George Preston's, Reverend George Preston's, the father, his original will, which he said, named Thomas Jeremy as the heir.


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[Assistant] Sounds good to me. That seems like something you could prove. So they were like, let's go. We'll help you with this. So in the weeks before the actual


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[Assistant] Because they weren't just planning to just take over Stanfield Hall. Their plan was to kill Isaac Jeremy.


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[Assistant] They needed to get him out of the way. Forever. So in the weeks before this all happened, and they, I think what their plan was was to like take over the hall, but Rush's plan, I believe, all along was to...


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[Assistant] And he would claim he was looking for poachers on the property, but his mistress there, Emily, was like, he would just go trudging off with his gun and it was like not something he did. She was like, I think he was losing it. Yeah. And on the morning of November 28th, he instructed a local farm hand to please lay a path of straw.


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[Assistant] From Rush's Homestead on his leased land, all the way towards the fields behind Stanford Hall. That's sketchy. Stanford Hall, excuse me.


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[Assistant] And he said he, so, and he was like, you do that while me and my family go into town for the afternoon.


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[Assistant] Now, when they came back from an afternoon out, Emily Sanford, his mistress, began making dinner. And Rush told her, there's just time for me to go into the garden and fire off my gun.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like what? He didn't say what he was shooting at or why he was going out to shoot. And so she was just kind of like, there's time. And she was like, nah, dinner's ready, motherfucker. He's like, oh shit, Emily, I can shoot my gun.


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[Assistant] And yeah, and so he also brought up this weird story. He said, I've been thinking a good deal about the story we read the other day about the Scottish chief.


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[Assistant] And what he was referring to was a well-known parable about the Battle of Benakburn by author Robert Bruce. Okay. And he said, I've tried several times, and the next time, perhaps, I shall be successful.


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[Assistant] And she was like, what the fuck are you talking about? And she later said that he appeared extremely agitated and she supposed him to be in tears.


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[Assistant] Though she couldn't understand why. He was rambling. Crying. Crying. It's almost in tears, like very agitated. He was like, what the fuck's going on? Or Emily.


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[Assistant] Sometime between 7 and 8 PM, just after they finished dinner, James stood up from the table.


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[Assistant] Didn't say a fucking word, but just went into his bedroom, dressed himself in a dark cloak.


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[Assistant] Donned a mask to cover his face. No. Then armed himself with a pistol and just left the house without saying anything. Put a mask on. And Emily just watched this entire thing, which I'm like, Emily, get out of there. Come on, girl, you gotta do something here.


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[Assistant] Now that happens on the property. Where are we? And at Sanfield Hall, the Jeremy family.


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[Assistant] Had just finished up dinner. Some sources say they were having a small dinner party.


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[Assistant] But either way, they had just finished up dinner a little before 8pm.


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[Assistant] And Isaac had just hung out at the dinner table.


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[Assistant] And Isaac Jr. and his wife went to the parlor for tea. Okay. Uhm, and the like, workers began clearing dishes and all that fun stuff, and Isaac Sr. got up, left the room, and he went out onto the porch to get some air.


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[Assistant] Which is something he literally always did after dinner. It was a very routine thing for him.


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[Assistant] For many, many years, James Bloomfield Rush would have definitely known that at this same time, every night, after dinner, he would be out there on the porch a little before 8pm. Taking him somewhere.


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[Assistant] So as soon as Isaac Sr. went out the door and into the porch, Rush stepped out from the shadows, raised a pistol, and fired a single shot into his chest.


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[Assistant] The bullet passed through his heart and knocked him onto his back and he died instantly. Oh, that's so awful.


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[Assistant] Then, James Rush entered the house from the side door and passed the main staircase and as he did he dropped two pieces of paper from his cloak.


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[Assistant] So he was messy already. Okay. And he moved through the house and was spotted by the butler.


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[Assistant] Now as James Rush passed through one door into the main hall, Isaac Jr. came out of the parlor.


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[Assistant] And they just looked at each other in silence and then Rush raised the gun and shot him in the chest.


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[Assistant] Now, obviously people are hearing the sounds of gunshots happening.


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[Assistant] So Isaac Jr.'s wife ran into the hall from the parlor. By the way, she's pregnant. Yeah, I thought you had said that. And just missed rush as he entered into the dining room as she ran from there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she found her husband's body and she screamed.


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[Assistant] So her scream drew one of the maids, Eliza Chastney, or Chastney, it's seen both ways in different sources. She ran into the hall, and the two of them are standing in the hallway freaking out, and Rush comes out of the dining room, sees the two women, raises the pistol, and shoots twice.


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[Assistant] He hit Mrs. Jeremy in the arm, she's the pregnant wife. Oh my god. And hit Eliza Chastney in the leg.


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[Assistant] Both of them fell to the floor and they both tried to pretend they were dead.


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[Assistant] Now, he figured he had killed the whole family. Right. So he left the house through the same side door that he went into, fled into the fields, and made his way back to his homestead. Remember, via that hay-covered path that had been laid out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but as he did this, he was spotted by several workers who lived on the estate and had been drawn out of their homes on the property by the sound of gunshots and screams. Does he still have his cloak and his mask on? He does. They all saw a black cloaked man escaping into the fields. Okay.


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[Assistant] Now, but the thing would be, Emily saw him put on that cloak. Right.


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[Assistant] And so, fearing the house was being, uh, you know, attacked by the same kind of like, we're gonna take over shit.


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[Assistant] A stable hand made his way to the edge of the property, swam across the moat to get to the house cause it does have a moat. And went to the nearby home of a man named Coleman who sent the message to the Norwich police and they, you know, let them know what had happened.


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[Assistant] So after sending help for help from Norwich, Mr. Coleman, the neighbor,


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[Assistant] Gathered other neighbors and they all made their way to Stanfield Hall to just try to help however they could.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and when they got there, they found Isaac Sr. dead on the front porch. Isaac Jr. dead on the floor in the main hallway just outside the house. And nearby, they found Eliza Chastney, who was wounded in the leg.


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[Assistant] And by that time, the other workers had carried Isaac Junior's wife upstairs to a bedroom and were doing their best to treat her wound in her arm.


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[Assistant] Because she was bleeding heavily and the upper part of her arm was really badly damaged.


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[Assistant] And they carried both men into the parlor, both the bodies of the two Isaac Jeremy men.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and they noticed singed clothing around the bullet wounds.


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[Assistant] Which indicated that they had been shot at pretty close range. Although they had been through a wild ordeal. Isaac Jr.'s wife and Mrs. Chastney both said they thought they recognized the shooter. And they said, it's James Bloomfield Rush.


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[Assistant] How do you think they knew? So he was wearing a fake beard, a mask, and a cloak, but


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[Assistant] They said that they knew his body type, and they knew how he held.


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[Assistant] Police made their way to Stanfield Hall while Rush ran to his house a little after 9pm, knocked on the door to be let in by Emily.


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[Assistant] There was no light in the front room, because you have to remember this is 1800s, it's not like they flicked on the light. Uhm, and so Emily knew, only knew that it was James entering the house, didn't see how he was dressed or what he was carrying, she said he went right upstairs, directly upstairs. And when he came back downstairs, he wasn't wearing any boots, any outdoor attire, and he instructed her to light a fire and go to bed.


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[Assistant] Okay. But before she retired for the evening, Rush said quote, if any inquiries made about me say I was not out more than 10 minutes.


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[Assistant] So a few hours later, Emily was awoken by a loud banging at the door and opened it to find Rush.


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[Assistant] So he has now returned at 9pm, after murdering this whole family, or trying to. He has taken off everything that he wore.


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[Assistant] He's come downstairs, told her to light a fire and to go directly to bed. Don't pass go. Go to bed.


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[Assistant] So she was like, cool, I'll just go up. And as he does this, he tells her, I was out 10 minutes, if anyone asks. She's like, got it. She goes to bed, then hours later is awoken by banging at the door. It's him arriving back from somewhere.


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[Assistant] I thought you had misspoke. I was like, wait, what? He had gone out again.


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[Assistant] And then he had said, by the way, remember, I was only gone 10 minutes. But more aggressive this time. And she's like, what the fuck is going on?


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[Assistant] And as soon as they saw the first lantern lit inside, they summoned a stable boy named Savory and told him to call Rush to the door.


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[Assistant] So as, you know, Rush of course said, what? Like, how could I ever be at fault for the mayhem that happened at Stanfield Hall? And he said, good God, I hope they do not think it was me.


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[Assistant] And he said this to Emily in front of everybody, and he said it is rather a serious charge.


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[Assistant] And Emily's like, what the fuck am I supposed to say here? And upstairs in the main bedroom investigators started searching and they found two guns in a closet along with Rush's black cloak.


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[Assistant] So now he's trying to get her to lie for him and in all the confusion and just mayhem that was happening here and probably the stress, Emily had forgotten exactly what she was supposed to say to the police. Oh no. So she told the investigators that yes, James had gone out the previous evening because at first he had told her to say that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But he was, and then she goes, said, but he was only out for about a quarter of an hour. So she's added a little time onto that.


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[Assistant] And she said, I don't know if you had or not, I did not see you put your boots on. She said, fuck you, I'm not playing this game. I'm not going to lie for you. She said, I didn't see you put them on. Good for her. So during questioning.


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[Assistant] James Rush repeated his story several times over saying that Emily was his alibi, but he definitely acknowledged that he and the Jeremy family had not been on good terms in recent years. He was like, I'm not going to lie about that. He said, I have no doubt I shall be suspected because we have been on such bad terms. But he said, but lately the old one and I have been more friendly, but the young one was my greatest enemy. I was like, I don't know if you should say that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, either way, both of them are dead, my god. And when they had no more questions, James Bloomfield Rush was taken into custody. He was transported to the local jail. Winmanham, I think it's Winmanham.


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[Assistant] Rush was pretty much identified as the shooter by like many people. Uhm, a traditional investigation proved kind of unnecessary at that point.


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[Assistant] But once the bodies had been removed from Stanfield Hall and the initial chaos had kinda subsided, police officers did begin an investigation into the house.


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[Assistant] And that's when they discovered the papers that had dropped out of Rush's cloak when he had entered. Uh oh. I forgot about those. Yea, he's a mess. And the two papers appeared to be the covers of a book, and on the back of one was written a note.


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[Assistant] This note said there are seven of us here, three of us outside, and four inside the hall, all armed as you see us to. If any of you servants offer to leave the premises or to follow, you will be shot dead. Therefore, all of you keep in the servants hall and you nor anyone else will take any harm.


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[Assistant] For we are only come to take possession of the Stanfield Hall property.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it was signed Thomas Jeremy, the owner.


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[Assistant] So news of the murders were reported in the press a day or two or later in the sensational language being indicative of Isaac Jeremy's important role in the community. So The Times, London's paper of record.


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[Assistant] Uhm, describe the killings as the most atrocious murders ever perpetrated in Norfolk, or perhaps in any other English county.


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[Assistant] So obviously his position is what's making this the most atrocious murder. Of course. Similarly, the Liverpool Mercury referred to the scene at the hall as the dreadful and mysterious tragedy.


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[Assistant] Now, the coroner began his examination of the bodies, and the police in Norwich shifted their focus from Stanfield Hall to now James Rush's Homestead.


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[Assistant] The initial search of the home turned up a clearly wet cloak and a set of clearly wet boots.


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[Assistant] Also a pair of recently fired guns, which suggested that Rush could have been involved, but the discoveries made on the second search left little doubt that he was responsible.


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[Assistant] In the closet in Rush's bedroom, investigators found a woman's black wig and long face veil hidden in a box at the back of the closet.


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[Assistant] The investigators found additional disguises, including a black wig of a particular make with mustachios and whiskers coming round and under the chin. Mustachios, you say? Yeah, mustachios.


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[Assistant] So he had all these fucking disguises hidden in his closet like a weirdo. Yeah, that's creepy. Maybe he's just a Halloween enthusiast. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Now, on November 30th, a jury was brought together for the coroner's inquest. And they viewed the bodies and heard the results of the coroner's examination. And they also heard a number from a number of the staff who was at Stanfield Hall on the night of the murders. Uh, the butler who hid.


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[Assistant] And Watson also told the jury that Rush was in the habit of entering the house through the servant's door at the side of the building.


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[Assistant] He held his head a little on one side. Sorry, I just have to answer this.


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[Assistant] The moment I saw the man it struck me it was Mr. Rush, who had very frequently within the last five months been at the hall. The man was short and stout. He held his head a little on one side, just in the way Mr. Rush carries it. So he has a very particular way of walking and standing.


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[Assistant] In my own mind, I think it is impossible I can be mistaken in my opinion.


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[Assistant] So, gave evidence, and this is a quote, gave evidence as to the certain expressions of Mr. Rush indicating revengeful feeling towards Mr. Jeremy.


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[Assistant] Now the most important testimony came from Emily.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so she quickly abandoned any kind of alibi that he tried to force on her. Under questioning from police, she refused to provide that alibi. And initially she told investigators she had been quote, reading a book which interested her very much and so she did not keep a very good accurate, uhm, account of the time. Okay.


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[Assistant] So she said she couldn't be sure how long he had been out of the house, but they pressed her.


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[Assistant] And she caved and told investigators Rush quote, was absent from the house all the evening of the murder.


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[Assistant] And when he came home, he appeared to be in a state of great agitation and rushed into the house saying he was very ill.


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[Assistant] Now according to Emily, after he had gone into his bedroom, she peered through the keyhole and witnessed him removing the various pieces of disguise. Cause remember when he came home, she said she couldn't see him very well. Cause there was no light. He just rushed upstairs. But she looked through that keyhole.


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[Assistant] Though she very much doubted that that was what he was doing when he left the house.


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[Assistant] Her statement was given to the police and the magistrate asked whether Rush had any questions or anything to say in response and he said no.


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[Assistant] There was so much damage it had shattered the bone in several places and the surgeons had to amputate her arm near the shoulder. As she's pregnant. Pregnant. Holy shit. Now after hearing all the evidence, the jury left the inquest just for a little bit of time to discuss what they heard.


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[Assistant] Uhm, just because she was there and she had, uh, initially lied.


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[Assistant] On March 29th, 1849, the trial began at the court of the Zeises at Norwich Castle, which was presided over, yea, in a castle, uhm, presided over by magistrate Baron Rolfe.


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[Assistant] There was a ton of news coverage about this, a lot of public interest, so it was packed. In fact, admittance into the courtroom was by ticket only. Wow. And by 8am it was like packed full. Damn.


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[Assistant] Acting on behalf of the Crown were, uhm, Sergeant Biles, Prendergast, and Evans.


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[Assistant] James Bloomfield Rush was acting as his own attorney. Oh no, honey. Now, in addition to testimony, the jury was going to see evidence that included, you know, a ton of stuff.


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[Assistant] But some of them were the forged documents, the drawings of the property, floor plans, scale models of Stanfield Hall and Rush's farmhouse.


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[Assistant] Uh, they'd all been created for the occasion. And before opening statements were given, the charges were read for the court. Uhm, and this is when Rush was asked to step forward and repeat his plea. And he replied, not guilty.


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[Assistant] Reporters also said his shoulders support a short bull-neck on which a large and massive head, which a craniologist would declare indicative of the possession of strong animal passions and considerable intellectual power, is firmly set in such a way as to render it rather difficult for its owner to look straight before him.


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[Assistant] So his head was slightly crooked. Slightly to one side, just like the staffer said. Yup. That the person who came in and killed all those people had. Yup.


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[Assistant] Now during the jury selection, the name John Beals was called.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the prosecution objected, and this potential juror was dismissed. And in response to this, Rush interrupted to ask why the man had been dismissed.


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[Assistant] And the judge explained it was because the prosecution objected.


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[Assistant] And Rush said, I wish to make one observation to the jury. I shall not challenge any of them, but I hope if any of them have any unfair influence in this case they will retire of themselves.


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[Assistant] So what he had wanted was for his comments to the jury to emphasize his cooperation and how he wanted this whole thing to be fair.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, cause he's so innocent. He just wants all this to go the right way.


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[Assistant] He didn't understand how the process worked, which just made him seem dumb.


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[Assistant] So now you're gonna defend yourself? So now you've already stepped into this looking very unprepared with this whole thing? Yeah. So that's not good.


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[Assistant] And this was demonstrated again just a few minutes later because he asked the judge, my lord, may I make a few observations before the council makes his opening speech?


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[Assistant] And Rolf replied, this is not the right time to do that. You'll have an opportunity hereafter. Yeah. So he doesn't even know how this all works. It's a dude you need an attorney.


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[Assistant] So they did the jury selection and Sergeant Biles took his place in front of the courtroom and began his opening remarks.


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[Assistant] So the prosecutor laid out all the evidence against James Rush and said, about the year 1844, the late Mr. Jeremy advanced to Mr. Rush considerable sums of money upon the Potash Farm, or Potash Farm, who knows, the balance of which was coming due just days before the murders occurred.


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[Assistant] So he was gonna have to pay this debt days before the murders happened.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and lacking the money to pay what was owed to Jeremy, Sergeant Biles explained that Rush had intended to kill the Jeremy family to avoid any of the negative consequences of his debt. That makes sense.


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[Assistant] As evidence of motive and intent, Sergeant Biles read aloud from the letters exchanged between Rush and his son


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[Assistant] Sent just after the civil trial between Jeremy and Rush for unpaid fees.


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[Assistant] And also showed that forged documents intended to mislead the jury as to who was the rightful heir of the Jeremy estate and the ownership.


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[Assistant] And like who should take ownership of Stanfield Hall.


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[Assistant] Uh, put in a letter in the handwriting of the prisoner in order to show his feelings towards the late Mr. Jeremy.


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[Assistant] So as far as the prosecution was concerned, the case was pretty simple against Rush.


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[Assistant] He owed a ton of money to Jeremy, and he couldn't pay.


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[Assistant] He just came up with a plan to kill the Jeremy family, conspire with Thomas Jeremy and John Larner to forge the documents, and it would ultimately benefit everybody involved. Pretty black and white to me. Yeah.


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[Assistant] His evidence to support this theory was pretty strong, and they found the recently fired guns in Rush's bedroom closet, along with the boots, the cloak, the disguises, all of that.


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[Assistant] So once the prosecution had finished presenting their case, James Bloomfield Rush rose and began


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[Assistant] What what became a 14 hour speech in his defense.


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[Assistant] Fourteen hours. How do you- he, like, consecutively? Yes.


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[Assistant] Fourteen hours. How do you even talk that long? And this was described by the press as, quote, without making any impression whatsoever in his favor. His address was full of repetitions and everything really material might have been said in a quarter of the time. So he just fucking rambled for fourteen hours.


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[Assistant] Thomas Jeremy and uh, John Larner, who wanted to enlist him in their plan to take San Phil tall by force. Okay. Just as they attempted to do years earlier. He was like, remember they've done this before, of course they're going to do it again. But he said, no, no, I won't help you with that. Now he's flipped it.


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[Assistant] And the following evening, he had gone out after dinner to check the grounds for poachers as he-


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[Assistant] Obviously did all the time, even though Emily was like he didn't do that all the time. But when he got to the edge of his property, he felt ill and decided to turn back. And then he heard a pistol go off.


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[Assistant] Rambling and exhaustive speech. He began making several complaints to the judge and the jury about, among other things, the way he was treated in the press and by the magistrates.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and they adjourned for a few days. They didn't come back for a few days. And then when they did, Rush called a bunch of witnesses, all of whom provided testimony that was irrelevant, pretty contradictory to what would help him.


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[Assistant] And all, none of them were contradictory to the evidence that was presented by the prosecution. So none of it helped. Wild. Because it's black and white here. So Rush rested his case after six days, and Judge Baron Rolfe began summarizing the case for the court.


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[Assistant] And according to the press, the process was repeatedly interrupted by the prisoner who attempted to correct him.


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[Assistant] Given how sensational the crimes had been and how crazy this trial had been, the audience and the court, they all waited. Like they wanted to hear this and they thought they were gonna like wait for a while to hear this, like they thought all this was gonna build up.


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[Assistant] But the jury returned just five minutes later with a guilty verdict. Of course. Cause they were like, fuck you guys. Fuck that. Rush was pissed and yelled, I am innocent all the same and God almighty knows it.


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[Assistant] In that, to the father of the unfortunate victim of your malice, you owe a deep debt of gratitude.


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[Assistant] You commenced a career of crime


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[Assistant] It unfortunately sometimes happens that great guilt is too nearly connected with something that is calculated to dazzle the mind. But unfortunately in your case you have made vice as loathsome as it is terrible. Whoa. Beautiful. Very poetic. Very poetic.


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[Assistant] Rush immediately tried to argue with the judge again. And he was like, no, no, no, I get the final word. And the judge cut him off and said, you have been convicted on testimony so clear, the observation and comment are unnecessary. Wow. So he's like, I don't want to hear shit from you. Shut up. It's black and white that you did this.


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[Assistant] And with that, he was removed from the court and taken back to his cell.


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[Assistant] Now, after the reading of the verdict, James Bloomfield Rush was sentenced to be hanged on the grounds of Norwich Castle on April 23rd, 1849. And it was reported that while he was waiting for the execution date,


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[Assistant] On April 23rd, the excitement that it surrounded the initial trial seemed to have come back because now


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[Assistant] We got ourselves an 1800s execution and you know people love that shit. So apparently, uhm, crowds of individuals from both sexes had been hurrying throughout the morning from all parts of the county and even far beyond it to the awful scene of ignominious death.


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[Assistant] That was from the, uhm, the Caldonian Mercury paper in 1849. So a little after 12 p.m., he was led out of his cell and he walked past all the onlookers and led to the gallows and


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[Assistant] In the days leading up to this, he had tried to persuade anyone who listened that he was innocent, but nobody believed him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and because of that, when he asked if he had any, when he was asked if he had anything to say before his execution, he said no.


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[Assistant] And all he did was simply repeat the Lord's Prayer to himself quietly while the lever was pulled and the floor dropped out beneath him. And he was killed instantly.


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[Assistant] Wow. He had no family member willing to claim his body.


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[Assistant] That's rough. Yea, James Bloomfield Rush was buried on the grounds of Norwich Castle.


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[Assistant] And after his death, the press reported, thus was closed the life of him, whose murderous deeds and other wicked acts have excited universal abhorrence, and of whom it may be said England never furnished his parallel. Ooh, that's haunting.


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[Assistant] So just like as a closing thing here, uhm, a death mask of James Bloomfield Rush is on display at the Welcome Collection in London. I saw that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Staffordshire Potteries produced collectible figures of Rush and Sanford, Emily, his mistress. I don't know about that. Plus the locations of the farm, their homestead, and Stanfield Hall and Norwich Castle. So, you could get collectible figures of these things.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he was also, Rush himself was made into a wax figure and was, uh, at Madame Tussauds. Wow. Because remember, there was a time when Madame Tussauds had a Chamber of Horrors section?


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[Assistant] We had a couple of other people that have been in that section. Yeah. From long, long ago, like 1800s. That's creepy. Yeah, they had a chamber of horror section that would have like murderers in it and like crime scenes and shit. Ooh. He was on display in that from 1849 until 1971. Wow.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's wild. Uhm, there was several, like, you know, I think there was a novel made about this case. There was, uhm, it was the inspiration for a film from 1948 called Blanch Fury.


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[Assistant] He went, later went to Stanfield's, uh, hall. Cause you could, you can still go. I mean, it still allows, I mean, you, I think it's like a private residence now. Yes, I don't go there. Don't go there. Yeah, don't do that. But you could before, like actually go and see it. Right, right. Um, and he called it, which this is such a fucking,


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[Assistant] This is a poet, like, author way of saying it. He called it quote, a grand place for a scoundrel's exit.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's, that's nice. You got a grand place for a scoundrel's exit. That's deep. What a, what a thought. And that is the story.


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[Assistant] Of the murders at Stanfield Hall. Wow, what a...


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[Assistant] So we have a couple spooky questions for you before we get into the


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[Assistant] actual, like, cryptid of it all that Alaina's gonna present. Woo. But is it cool if we ask you a couple questions first?


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[Assistant] Alright, cool. So we know that you're into true crime. What would you say is the one case that interested you the most over the years?


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[Assistant] Yeah, Lisa Lam, that's like a really sad case. That's a really wild case. And just like bonkers.


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