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[Assistant] Right. On a black hole. Like, oh, if I let this. It's done. Yeah. If I let this go, it's going, it's going to go and, and the better you get the.


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[Assistant] It's funny too, it's funny that for anyone that's listening that thinks that Dean might be this big smack talker, the funny thing is that


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[Assistant] So, but he won't do it to someone who doesn't really know that well because that wouldn't be, you know, that's not cool. But if you, if he hated me, or if he was friends with me, then I'm gonna get elbows to the ribs while he's trying to come near me. That's awesome.


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[Assistant] It's, it's gotta be shocking to some people. We're, either one of us when you and I are trading. Oh man, people are like, what the, yeaah.


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[Assistant] That's another little torture that you do with Thor with my son.


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[Assistant] You had to turn up the heat. Awesome, man. Well, uh, uh, Echo, it looks like, I think, uh, everyone's gonna be training Jiu-Jitsu now. Jiu-Jitsu. Everyone is gonna get on that path. How can we get on that path? Stay on that path? You know? Yeah. Whatever. Something like that.


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[Assistant] Which we also recommend, right? Yes, we do. Fully. So you can get a, a rash guard. Which is very good for training Jiu Jitsu with, cause it's compression, and it doesn't get caught up. Toes, fingers, fingers. So you can get that. Yep, it's true. The uh, the rash guards.


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[Assistant] Not just regular discipline, but a supplement called discipline, which is good for the pre-mission situation. Dave Burke. Good deal Dave. Good deal Dave. He's on the discipline.


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[Assistant] It's actually a word that I literally created. So we were testing to make something, and I was like, hey man, this has to taste really good, and it has to have a great profile nutritionally, and when I finally got the sample where I wanted it,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the, the, the peanut butter, not, okay, I, I would, the, the mint is delicious, but let's face it, I've been drinking nothing but mint milk for whatever, how long, ever long it's been released for, so now all of a sudden I've got a little option.


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[Assistant] By the way. And that was vanilla. It's not just gonna be vanilla though.


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[Assistant] Whatever. Flexfit hats. Flexfit. The Nuvo. Snapback. The Nuvo Chic.


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[Assistant] When you're signing up for podcasts, don't forget that there's also the Warrior Kid podcast.


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[Assistant] And you can subscribe to that one too. You can play it for your kids. There's some stories on there. There's some Q&A for Uncle Jake. Which, you know, it's good.


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[Assistant] YouTube channel, the Jocko Podcast YouTube Panel, and there's a Warrior Kid Podcast, or uh, YouTube channel, so go to YouTube, subscribe to that if you want to see Echo's legit videos, which apparently he has some in the hopper that he's gonna be releasing, so we're looking forward to that as well, which should be good.


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[Assistant] Plus psychological war, psychological warfare.


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[Assistant] Cool. Yeah, there's that. There's white tea.


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[Assistant] As I said last time, JP, he used to get on those energy drinks big time. And now he's just getting on a little jock of white tea. Dean's been hammering the jock of white tea. And you're also an energy drink guy.


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[Assistant] And it was like one of those ones and it said, you know, like all the little buzzwords on it, healthy, natural, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I drank this thing, and all of a sudden,


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[Assistant] If you, okay, if it was a blind, double blind test, and


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[Assistant] You just, you just came into a room and you had never drank this before and, and you picked up a cup, somebody put it in your hand and put it in your mouth. Would you say it was tea?


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[Assistant] No, they just don't drink it. They drink their tea warm or hot and with milk in it.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, it's good. Hey, I got some books. Uhm, Way of the Warrior Kid books. For your kid.


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[Assistant] There's one of them, it's called Way of the Warrior Kid. The second one in that series is called Mark's Mission. Got the Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual.


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[Assistant] If you need to know how to get after it, that's where you find out how to get after it. The audio version of that book, you get it on iTunes, as an mp3 or amazon music or google play or whatever. Also got extreme ownership.


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[Assistant] That's about combat leadership, written by me and my brother Leif Babin. And on September 25th, the dichotomy of leadership comes out. The dichotomy of leadership. It's a follow up, Leif and I wrote a follow up to Extreme Ownership.


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[Assistant] Dives in and gets granular on how to balance the opposing forces of leadership so that you and your team can win. Dichotomy. You like that word?


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[Assistant] I said it once, I only said it once this podcast, which is weird, because I should have said it a bunch, because in jujitsu, you've gotta be aggressive, but there's a dichotomy because you can't be too aggressive.


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[Assistant] You gotta be offensive, but at the same time, you gotta also, there's a dichotomy because you gotta be defensive, right? You gotta train with the gi, but there's a dichotomy because you've also gotta train without that gi, right? Yeah, so there's a dichotomy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you gotta do it. Uh, Leadership Consulting Company.


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[Assistant] Echelon front, we solve problems through leadership. Whatever problem you have at your company, at your team, it's a leadership problem. I'm telling you that right now. It's a leadership problem.


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[Assistant] On some level, it's a leadership problem. If you want help with that, you got me, Leif Babin, JP Donnell, Dave Burke, Flynn Cochran.


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[Assistant] And now Mike Cirelli as well. And that's what we do. We come work with your company and get those leadership problems solved, which will solve whatever inherent problems are within your team, your company, your business.


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[Assistant] Muster006 in San Francisco, California, October 17th and 18th. All the other ones have sold out.


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[Assistant] This one is apparently on track to sell out even faster than all the other ones. So if you want to come to that, go to ExtremeOwnership.com, get registered, we'll see you up there. Leadership Seminar, two days of granular practical.


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[Assistant] You can do this. And I'm not saying you won't be motivated, cause I get motivated, but we're not there going like, how can we motivate these people? That's not even, that's, that word's not even said at any point.


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[Assistant] Military Border Patrol, Firefighters, Paramedics, First Responders, all of you out there in uniform. We got roll call number 001. It's our first roll call. We're having a roll call because the muster's two days. It's pricey and we wanted to offer something to military law enforcement, to the folks out there in uniform.


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[Assistant] To come and get a condensed version focused on the dynamic leadership situations that you all face


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[Assistant] That's September 21st in Dallas, Texas. You also register for that at ExtremeOwnership.com and


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[Assistant] Also, we now have EF Overwatch, Echelon Front Overwatch, EFOverwatch.com. Okay, so this is it. We've been working with companies for all these years.


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[Assistant] All these years, we've been working with all these various different companies and all these companies, we work with them and help their leadership. Well, they want to hire leaders. They want to bring leaders on board.


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[Assistant] We were also in the military. All of us at Ashland Front were in the military and we have connections with a lot of people that were in the military that


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[Assistant] That want to go work at jobs with great companies. So in order to connect those two groups, people that want jobs,


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[Assistant] And people that need leaders in their business, go to efoverwatch.com to get in the game. And you can either register as someone that's looking for a job that's focused on


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[Assistant] Special ops folks and combat aviation those types of what we're looking at right now we're gonna broaden that out and and put together another company in the very near for another arm of this company and


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[Assistant] But that's where we're starting because that's basically the reason we're starting there is because that's the element that we have connections with. And so as we expand and we're working this right now to get the lines of communication open.


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[Assistant] In the other branches of the military so that we can bring on board, you know, other folks. But again, this is, we started with the groups that we know. So if you're in those groups,


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[Assistant] Go register. If you're getting ready to retire, if you're looking at getting out and you don't know what you're going to do next, we need leaders. America needs leaders.


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[Assistant] These businesses need experienced leaders that understand the principles we talk about. The principles that are in extreme ownership. The things that you learned in combat. The things you learned leading troops on the battlefield.


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[Assistant] Get registered, get in the game, and we'll get you, uh,


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[Assistant] Get your next mission. Talk about having your next mission all the time. We will get you your next mission. We got a bunch of companies that are, they need you. And if you want to spend some time with us virtually, until we're rolling.


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[Assistant] Until we're rolling at the muster, or rolling in Texas, or rolling at the immersion camp. Until then, we're all up on the interwebs. DEAN!


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[Assistant] Dean Lister. Dean is at, on Instagram, Dean is at Dean Lister BJJ. That's right.


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[Assistant] On Twitter, you might not even remember this. On Twitter, you're Dean Underscore Lister. I looked up to see


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[Assistant] We are that's maybe Dave Burke came on and we were talking about Top Gun and how like He he set it up really nicely and he's like, oh if he had a guy that was really good and all this whole thing He's like then his chance of beating, you know me as a Top Gun instructor would be zero Zero percent. There's no and that's kind of the situations. There's literally a


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[Assistant] I'm saying there's actually no possible way.


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[Assistant] And so we were all training you and we were all training with you and... and...


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[Assistant] Uh, when we got to the fight, this is the difference in attitudes, right? So we got to the match, I won't call it a fight because it's not a fight, it's a match. And you were going against John Jock Machado who's a, you know, legendary Jiu Jitsu player. And when you got to like a dominant position,


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[Assistant] Those of you that wear the uniform, so yeaah, you know, military, police, firefighters, border patrol, paramedics, other first responders.


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[Assistant] We know that all of you make sacrifices every day to protect us and we absolutely thank you for that. And like Dean, I also hope that all of you in all those jobs find some time to train some jiu-jitsu.


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[Assistant] Because it'll make you better at your job. It'll make you better at life. And if you can't find jiu-jitsu, go find some boxing or some judo or some wrestling or some Muay Thai or some way to train so that you can fight when the time comes.


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[Assistant] And, and really that goes to everyone that is listening to this. If you can, get out there and fight. Get out there and fight. Fight literally.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so you gotta kinda consider what's more important, like this JUSTICE?


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[Assistant] Is safety, right? I mean security.


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[Assistant] That's more important. You know, you can get all the justice. Yea, you can get all the justice you want, but then it's going to create some serious problems in the future. It's kind of like, hmm, you know, is it worth it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's rough where you, you know, you go from.


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[Assistant] Let's all come back. Little bit, little bit. Little bit. Try to. You kinda can't forget, I mean, it's, you're not gonna forget that. You know, anyway, just like, you can't forget machetes, and you can't forget the Rippen and King. So you're gonna remember, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, fully. You know how, okay, there is this... movie.


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[Assistant] You know, I can't help but kinda think, it's when you said, this isn't a movie, this really happened. And that's really the hard part, when you really start to think about that. Like, just like how we're sitting here right now.


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[Assistant] Okay, you know how like some of these, uhm, doctors and, uh, scientists, they went on to be prosperous. You know, after, you know, after the deal.


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[Assistant] And, and they, it's just- So did they, didn't they get kinda, they got forced into it though, right? Remember? They were like, hey, hey- They did, they did.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so here's the moral question. It's like, okay, of course, you know, these guys committed crimes regardless of, of, you know, the surrounding circumstances. They committed these crimes as factual. And then they kinda get away and then they get into normal society and they, and they don't get punished. Right? Perceive, like, no justice, right?


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[Assistant] Even though they didn't get punished, like did they make up for it or is it more of a crime because they got to do good stuff. They got to...


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[Assistant] Or others too, by the way. Not just, I mean, it's easy to be like, hey, he got to do all this stuff, but if they're doing good work scientifically and for, you know, medical schools and stuff like this is obviously, they're teaching people, they're probably, you know, making breakthroughs and discoveries in the field and stuff that's gonna help people in general, you know?


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[Assistant] The code. Yes. Alright. Well, let's talk about origin. I feel like we should talk about origin. And the first thing about origin that I will talk about is the geese. The flagship.


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[Assistant] I guess technically you can do karate too if you want. Technically, I mean, but they're made for jiu-jitsu. The rash guards, made for jiu-jitsu. But you can use them for like cycling and bodyboarding.


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[Assistant] Anything that you want to, uh, protect yourself from rashes. Not epi- not germ rashes. Like rash rashes. Actually, it does have, uh, antimicrobial stuff in it too. That's true. So it is kind of protective. Anyway, originmain.com. That's where you can get this stuff. All made in America. And also... joggers.


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[Assistant] I'll establish a standard of comfort. It'll be called the connoisseur of comfort scale. See what I'm saying? You know how like in um, temperature there's like Kelvin, Celsius Fahrenheit. I'll beat that for comfort.


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[Assistant] When's the shorts coming out? Not first so we can, you know, cause I want to wear them, you know, that kind of stuff. Anyway, so I'm about to call them and be like, Hey, we need more colors of joggers or whatever. But here's the thing, Dewey, I need more colors. So I can't just be running Pete around his factory, making new colors just for me personally.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but back to joint warfare. Okay, so let me get, I know you're wondering how my arm is doing. I know, I know man, I'll let you know. So I went to Oregon, the Oregon coast, last week, one week, forgot the joint warfare. I just had surgery on my bicep about six, yeah, six weeks ago. And, you know, I would have felt


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, and here's the thing, my surgeon is good. He was good, he did a good job on my arm. Reattached my bicep tendon to my bone. Drilled a hole in the bone. Boom, stick it through, sew it up, gush, gush, gush, all done.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I take joint warfare, the thing feels good, like I'm way ahead of schedule, you know, surprisingly, cause I had it done with my other nine years ago, blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] It's all good, I'm moving around, doing like pushups, doing stuff that noooo way I could've done with my other arm last time. So, I go to Oregon Coast, forget the joint warfare.


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[Assistant] I attribute it to the joint warfare, how far ahead I am. So I forget the joint warfare, I'm in the Oregon coast, I would say about two days. And here's the thing, it didn't start like hurting or going backwards, nothing like that, but it was just this weird stiffness that sort of just like, like I couldn't straighten it out right away when I wake up, you know, I can't like, you know, I kind of got to work it out.


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[Assistant] And it slowly just started to just stiffen up a little more. And here's the thing, I was way less active on it too. Where, cause when I do like pushups and stuff where I'm using my elbow a lot.


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[Assistant] You know how like you sprain your thumb or something like that, and it's like swollen, and it's like just jammed up? You can use it, but anyway, it kind of felt like that.


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[Assistant] I come back two days back on the Joint Warfare. Boom. Back in the game.


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[Assistant] That's full on back in the game. That's pretty cool isn't it? Yep. It's for real. For hell of a thing, man. Good stuff. Look close to me. Condroit and curcumin. Good for your brain too, by the way. Yeah. Just like Discipline. Yeah. Also, Mulk, as you were saying. Yeah. What up with Mulk?


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[Assistant] We have peanut butter and choc- WE HAVE PEANUT BUTTER AND CHOCOLATE! Coming in about a week. Maybe.


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[Assistant] Straight up, one week, counting down the days. Okay, that's good. So, milk, protein, how many, how much, how many grams of protein in milk? Do you know?


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[Assistant] And I heard this, I recently read, actually I didn't read it, I saw it on a video, YouTube video. I know that sounds like a YouTube video, but this one had credibility. So, you know, so you need, not need, but a good amount of protein is


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[Assistant] This is how you do it. You put it in a Ziploc bag.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's good where, you know, when you learn stuff at the, I mean, there's, you know, there's, you're gonna learn specific things from specific people and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] Don't look at it like this thing where you're gonna go and you're just gonna learn what they have to teach you. You know, they're gonna teach you, uhm, spider guard or something.


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[Assistant] On top of what all the instructors there, and not to mention just other experienced people, what they have to offer and teach you, you can come and be like, hey, my rear naked choke.


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[Assistant] Needs work. This is how I do it. Hey Jocko, come here. This is how I do it.


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[Assistant] This is all day, by the way, you have this opportunity. This is how I do it. And chill.


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[Assistant] But the point is there though, where you can come, and you can come to Emerging Camp, right? And it's good, again, to learn from, from everything that everyone has to teach. But you can go in with specific, like, questions, uh, with your game. Where you're still like, oh, for sure, how am I gonna get better? Of course, my Jesus is gonna get better in general, that's good, of course. But if it's like, wait, will my mount escape, get better?


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[Assistant] Also, shifting gears. So yea, anyway, but yea, Emerging Camp August 26th to September 2nd.


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[Assistant] Also, if you want to get these cool shirts that say discipline equals freedom, Jocko has a store, it's called JockoStore. So go to JockoStore.com. Anyway, that's where you can get the shirts that say discipline equals freedom, get after it. Anyway, if you want to represent with Jocko gear,


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[Assistant] It's more the philosophy, it's not Jocko gear. Doesn't really have your face on it or nothing. Oh wait, yes, it does have your face on it. And it says, good, one of them. Maybe two, one, two, I don't know. Anyway, go there, jockostore.com. If you like something, get something you want to represent in your town. Also, rash guards on there. Hoodies on there.


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[Assistant] Anyway, jockelster.com, lot of good stuff, judas stuff on there, women stuff on there, uh, hats and beanies, what not. Some posters on there, too, by the way. Oh, posters, no I didn't. You didn't even know about that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause a lot of people, and I mean for real a lot of people, like a lot a lot of people.


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[Assistant] Uh, discipline equals freedom, and the good poster. Those are the ones that people would hit me up often. Very often. Be like, hey, my gym, I want a poster. I want a poster for my room. I want a poster for my office. You know, 24 by 36 posters. There's two posters on there. I'll make other, other ones, but yea. Got some posters on there. Boom! Represent in your gym, in your office, in your home. I got one in my home first thing when you walk in. It's interesting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so your face is kinda sorta there, you know, representing in my house. Thanks, Jocko, by the way. Also, a good way to support the podcast is to subscribe to the podcast on iTunes and Google Play, Stitcher, wherever you listen to podcasts.


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[Assistant] They're a little bit of, yeah, they're good. So, so there's kinda like character development sprinkled in there with


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[Assistant] Lesson, to me the lesson, well I don't know, maybe this is intentional, but the lesson is the primary thing. Of course. And it's deep, same, very, uh, consistent with the whole Uncle Jake way, simple lesson.


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[Assistant] No, you did not lie. You said, and I quote,


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[Assistant] Well lemme, uh, lemme tell you the philosophy and tell me if this is a good way to approach it. So, a lot of those videos, okay, so consider the first one we did.


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[Assistant] Good, right? Is that the first one you did? Okay. Good job out of the gate. I think I might have told the, the, the story, like there's a story behind it, but we were recording podcast, it was like number 3 or 5. One of the first initial ones, and I was like, oh, my camera was sitting over there, behind, kind of behind over in the corner.


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[Assistant] And if you notice on good when it shows you, you can see like it's behind like a monitor and so you can see the stuff. I just went and pressed, I kind of moved the camera a little bit and I just pressed record before you said that, that part.


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[Assistant] And I was like, oh, I'm gonna record this just in case I'll make a video out of it or something. Okay, whatever. And...


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[Assistant] But that wasn't made, it wasn't like, okay, we're gonna do this, we're gonna record this, and we're gonna do thi- you know, it was just like, oh, I'm gonna try to make a fun video out of it. And then just put some random-


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[Assistant] I guess there is kind of, they're thematic I guess, right? There's some theme to it, like Warpath.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's really what happens and I'll catch myself doing it and it'll take a long time and I'm like, bro, this is not even necessary. And in fact,


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[Assistant] And some people, they will bring up this point, which is a good point, where I put stuff crumbling, right, for, okay, Warpath, or take Warpath, for example.


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[Assistant] I put the walls crumbling, and Jaquan Dean rolling, and when they- when they clash, like the walls come shattering down, it's all these special effects. Which is like, cool, when you look at- but all the special effects, the sound effects, and like all this stuff is like, is it kinda getting in the way of the message? Cause the message is like, you're saying something specific, you know? So it's kinda getting in the way, you know?


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[Assistant] And that one's in color too, by the way. Yeaah. Uncle Jake, as it were. Also, a good way to support yourself is to get some new gear.


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[Assistant] If your workouts are boring, get some new gear from Onnit by the way. Onnit.com slash Jocko. Good place to go. Good information too about starting your kettlebell workout.


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[Assistant] And I just thought of this kid yesterday. Was in the pool with my daughter. And my wife was saying,


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[Assistant] You know, you know how like, okay, so you might seem like BJ Penn do this, where he'll go in the bottom of the ocean, and he'll carry a wrist in there. That's rockin' that rotten Hawaii. Yeah, yeah, that's how.


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[Assistant] So, I'm like, hey, you could grab one of those kettlebells. For sure. And, and my daughter, she's five. So she's like, yeah, I was like, yeah, go grab the little, it's like, it's like this.


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[Assistant] It's like a pixie, you know, or I don't know, I don't know what it is, but it's like one of those, uh, legend bells. You know, it's a small one that I got for her. So she grabs it and she goes in the pool, she's like, I'm gonna, and I say, yeah, walk to the other side. And it's like deep. She goes kinda into the deep section.


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[Assistant] And then she started a little bit more urgency, so I had to jump in.


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[Assistant] That's, that's actually pretty powerful because, bro, when you're, I mean unless she was like, depends on her mindset. So her, she was probably like,


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna let this rock defeat me, I'm gonna bring it to the other side, and that's kinda the mindset.


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[Assistant] I'm not going to drop it for that reason. I think my daughter was like, I can't drop this thing, so I'm stuck with it, you know, kind of thing. That's what, you know, so she started, you could tell she was a little bit going into panic mode. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a whole different scenario technically, but that's pretty savage though.


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[Assistant] Do you think that I should, cause she's probably, she's scared, she even said, like later, like, oh that was like scary and all this stuff. I should probably make her do it again, huh? Yeah. Yep. Like, not make her like do it, but like maybe jump in with her.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that- they usually- I mean, unless you got traumatized by it or something like this. Yeah. Where, bro, my-


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[Assistant] You know, that, you know, you saw it. And it's not that high, but for a one year old, it's pretty high. But my boy and my daughter, when she was one, two, they'd just jump off. We'd catch them, they can't swim yet, you know.


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[Assistant] My son, he jumped off a few times and was all good, but then one time he went to walk and there was this little, just a slight little dip, and you know, when you're one, you know, you're new to walk, he slipped, he tripped, and he fell in. I caught him, but he full on, like, hit his side on the edge of the thing, and he's, and he's crying.


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[Assistant] Like, hey, do it, I got you, I got you, and he'd be like, eh, you know, crying and whatever, and then, you know, my daughter would do it, I would do it, then he finally like reluctantly did it, and we cheered for him, and now he's all good. He like forces himself. He makes me catch him now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially with the water man, cause it's like, it's one minute, it's all fun and games, and literally your mind can flip to like, I'm about to die.


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[Assistant] Yes, and especially if you're carrying the kettlebells from on it or otherwise at the bottom of the pool, bottom of the ocean, bottom of a reservoir, bottom of any body of water. Yep. One up, one down.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, so that's how we utilize the pixie. I think it's called pixie. It's one of the legend bells. Anyway, if, I guess that doesn't really have much to do with what on it offers, but it just, I just thought of that because it just happened.


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[Assistant] Good. Anyway, if you want cool, uh, fitness stuff, on it.com slash Jocko. A lot of good information on there.


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[Assistant] I like better. Uh, I can't say, because the first one, the OG, the original one, from wimpy to warrior, will always have.


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[Assistant] I would say, even as, uhm, like, okay, so kids read the book, of course, but I read it to my daughter, who was four at the time, four, yeaah. So I'm reading it, and it's answering a bunch of questions.


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly, right. So, and it's just little stuff, little stuff sometimes you won't even really think of. So, like, okay, for example, and I said, I mentioned this before, but it's a huge deal that I still use it, like it's on the front of my mind every single time. So, you know how like you'll have a kid and they'll be like real good at something?


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[Assistant] So when they run into a situation where they're in an activity that actually requires practice, like a cartwheel or something like this, and so my daughter, she's big, she's an athletic little girl.


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[Assistant] Way bigger, she's like, you know, and so she has this friend, same age, she's like a week, either older or younger, I forget, but they're the same age, and she can do a cartwheel and just fly through cartwheels, one-handed cartwheels, all this stuff, this other girl can, she's way smaller, you know, way whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it's a whole thing. So it's, it's very upsetting. So Uncle Jake.


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[Assistant] Said something in the first one that this will always stick with me. When she complains to me about if she can't do a cartwheel and how Malia can do a cartwheel but I can and all this stuff, I say, and I quote, Uncle Jake.


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[Assistant] You're not foreign knowing how to do a cartwheel. Just like how, you know, our other neighbor can play the guitar, you know, much practice, you know, kind of thing. And it's crazy because just that simple line right there, she was foreign, she understands, you know, she's like practicing, practicing. Anyway, that's how, that's how that book is, man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, dark book, but see, really strongly, I feel strongly that that's like one, you kind of want to read the whole thing. It's crazy, but yeah. Anyway, I'm going to put them on our website, jocopodcast.com.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I'm putting it on the website. That's the point. I'm gonna have a, uh, or we have it on the page, books from the episodes, all by episodes. So this one's from obviously 133. Yep.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's kinda like the difference, if you take, if you run a race, or if you're recognized, not recognized, but let's say you run a race, you


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[Assistant] First, okay, first place guy, second place guy, third place guy, you all get medals. What is, what is the medal made out of? We'll just say medal. What's the difference between the medal?


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[Assistant] Nothing. Only the color. Psychological. It's all made of the same stuff. Bad analogy.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 129 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] Cry had risen for the reserve and it must come as soon as possible. We ran what we could run.


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[Assistant] Our lieutenant colonel fell, killed almost at the first. Beyond this, we lost our major.


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[Assistant] We had crossed two successive ditches which lay in an orchard to the left of the first houses in and we were beginning to form in front of the village.


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[Assistant] Besides the general cannon fire, such as hardly can be imagined, there was also a rain of case shot upon this battalion, of which I, as there was no colonel left, had to take command.


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[Assistant] A third battalion of the Royal Prussian Foot Guards, which had already made several of our regiments pass that same kind of muster, gave, at a distance of 80 paces, the liveliest fire upon us.


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[Assistant] It stood as if on the parade ground, that third battalion. And waited for us without stirring.


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[Assistant] The Austrian regiment at our right hand could not get itself formed properly because of the houses. It was standing thirty deep and sometimes its shots hit us in the back.


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[Assistant] On my left, the Austrian regiment ran its way, and I was glad of that in comparison.


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[Assistant] By no method or effort could I get the dragoons who stood 50 yards to the rear of me to cut in a little and help me out.


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[Assistant] Who were still tired from running, had no cannon support, were scattered, fewer in number, and were mainly fighting out of sullenness.


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[Assistant] It was more out of honor than the notion of doing good in the affair that prevented us from running off.


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[Assistant] Finally, two officers of the Grenadiers brought me what they still had.


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[Assistant] Some Hungarians too, were luckily got together.


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[Assistant] But at last, with all help and the remnants of my own brave battalion.


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[Assistant] In the Austrian army fighting against the Prussians during the Seven Years War. And that particular battle was the Battle of Luth.


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[Assistant] Which took place on December 5th, 1757.


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[Assistant] Where the Austrians suffered about 22,000 casualties, about one third of their forces.


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[Assistant] Is the classic vision of the old European infantry tactics, like what you picture, troops lined up by rank, marching forward to close with the enemy, in what often became just a test of will and courage.


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[Assistant] And who's will and who's courage was stronger, who would drive forward and who was gonna back down and who was gonna run away. But on top of that, will and courage, you also


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[Assistant] There was still maneuvers happening out there. And the movements were centralized.


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[Assistant] Born in 1712, his father, Frederick William. And he, he seemed like one of those kind of tyrannical fathers that really pushed his son with extreme discipline and all that. And guess what? Young Frederick didn't like it. Didn't like it. Wasn't, wasn't into that. You know what he was into?


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[Assistant] Had a little plan, put the plan together. I'm gonna get out, get away from my tyrannical dad who's trying to, you know, turn me into this warmongering guy.


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[Assistant] And the plot got foiled. And the king actually captured, he captured one of the two friends that was helping young Frederick. And then sentenced him to death.


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[Assistant] And young Frederick had to watch his friend who had tried to help him get beheaded. Yeah. And despite that,


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[Assistant] So, he, he got a lot of respect and he led very successful campaigns all over Europe. He was, he was known for having an extremely hard work ethic, strong work ethic. Interestingly, he woke up


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[Assistant] And another interesting thing, at a time when, when the Royals all over Europe and the world, when they kind of flaunted their riches, he wasn't like that. He was kind of like a low profile guy. He allowed free speech, he allowed people to even insult him, which was, you know, I mean obviously his old man didn't have any problem just tossing out the death sentence.


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[Assistant] But there was a story about him where there was like a poster hung up that someone had done a drawing that made him kind of look like a buffoon.


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[Assistant] And his tactics, like I said, I mean they're still, even when you had these rigid sort of ranks in battles, you still had to maneuver the elements around the battlefield and his tactics were based in mobility and being able to move quickly.


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[Assistant] Being able to move more quickly than the enemy. And he focused on drill, and more drilling, and this is another interesting thing.


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[Assistant] He was saying, you know, he was of the opinion that people often miss- mistook.


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[Assistant] Drill for the art of war. No, they're two different things. And they're important. And there's a reason why you do drill. And it teaches you certain things. It teaches you a lot about discipline. It teaches you about responding to orders quickly. It teaches you how to work together as a team. So there's definitely a reason for drill, but that is not the art of war.


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[Assistant] So, at age 35, he was, he had been sick and he was recovering from an illness, but he was, I guess he was still a little bit down, so he was doing what he could. In this case, it meant that he wrote down some of his principles.


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[Assistant] And the first version of it was called The Instruction of Frederick the Great to his generals. And that piece was kind of revised and the title was eventually changed to General Principles of War.


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[Assistant] And I was actually, I'm always surprised at how much I have to learn and how much I can learn from people that fought several hundred years ago and led several hundred years ago. It's amazing. It's amazing what you can learn from these folks. Alright, so here we go. Going to the book.


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[Assistant] This section is called The Capabilities of Prussian Troops and Their Particular Merit. The greatest force of the Prussian army resides in their wonderful regularity, which long custom has made a habit.


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[Assistant] In exact obedience and in the bravery of the troops.


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[Assistant] Discipline of these troops now evolved into habit has such effect that in the greatest confusion of an action and the most evident perils, their disorder is still more orderly than the good order of their enemies.


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[Assistant] So, so there you go. This is, this is discipline equals freedom in whatever, 17 something.


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[Assistant] If you think about what he's saying, his troops were so disciplined that even when there's total chaos going on, in their


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[Assistant] In their worst state, they still are more squared away than the enemy is. Because their discipline is so strong.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. Consequently, small confusions are redressed in a moment. And all evolutions are made promptly. Doesn't matter what you do to them. Confusion? No problem. We got discipline.


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[Assistant] A general of other troops could be surprised in circumstances in which he would not be if commanding Prussians.


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[Assistant] Who is that? Like, in a SEAL platoon? In my SEAL platoon? In my SEAL task unit? In an army or marine corps infantry platoon?


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[Assistant] Exact, exact same thing Frederick the Great realized. Back to the book. Prussian's discipline renders these troops capable of executing the most difficult maneuvers such as traversing a wood in battle without losing their files or distances, advancing in close order at double time, forming with promptness, reversing their direction suddenly to fall on the flank of the enemy, gaining an advantage by a forced march, and finally in surpassing the enemy in constancy and fortitude.


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[Assistant] Now he's got something in here, and when I initially read this part, uhm,


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[Assistant] I was like, eh, well, that's a little bit off of my thoughts.


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[Assistant] But he comes back to it later and, and we'll get to that part. Remind me actually when he, when he gets to this part talking about decentralized command, cause here he talks about


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[Assistant] Something that's a little bit opposite of what I usually say. So here we go, back to the book. Obedience to the officers and subordination is so exact that no one ever questions an order. Hours are observed exactly, and however little a general knows how to make himself obeyed, he is always sure to be.


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[Assistant] No one ever reasons about the possibility of an enterprise, and finally, its accomplishment is never disparate of. So what he's saying there is, you know, like, everyone just listens to me. That's what I do. Everyone just listens.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna get to later where he actually, there's two things. Number one, he really takes care of his people.


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[Assistant] So they listen to him because he takes care of him. It's not because he barks orders of him, it's not, it's that he really cares about them and he takes care of them. And the other thing he talks, and he'll talk later about this, is how getting input from people is important.


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[Assistant] So, even though he lays that out there, I think that's almost like a little macho.


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[Assistant] That's the way it is. I don't know if you noticed this when we had, uh, Colonel Fife on the podcast, and I was talking about this with Dave Burke the other day.


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[Assistant] When we first were, were talking with Colonel Fife, you know, he was saying, yeah, well, you know, everyone just did what I told them to do. And I was kinda like, wow, you know, that, that,


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[Assistant] He says yea, people just tell them what to do and they do it. That's what made...


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[Assistant] Both saying the same kind of thing, but both of them have a lot more depth behind that reaction from their troops. So when


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[Assistant] Whenever somebody hears something like that, it's like, no, it's not true. It doesn't work. As a matter of fact, there's a chapter in the new book coming out that Leif and I wrote and Leif's talking about this one CEO that we're working with. That's kind of like quoting Patton, like discipline is the ultimate.


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[Assistant] And same thing, Leif's talking to the guy like, hey, that's not the way the military works. And he believed that when he would hear this kind of thing, this is like a macho thing to say, right? Is that the right word? I don't know if that's the right word.


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[Assistant] Right? It's not true. There's so much more depth.


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[Assistant] Going back to the book, the Prussians are superior to their enemies in constancy since the officers who have no other profession nor other fortune to hope from except their arms animate themselves with ambition and a gallantry beyond all test.


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[Assistant] You know, so we're out in the field. And I was talking to them about cover and move.


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[Assistant] And I said, if you're walking while you're covering your field of fire,


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[Assistant] From a level of one to ten, how well can you do it? And you know, people are like, I don't know, five, six, cause when you're walking, you can't really, you know, you gotta look where you're walking, gotta look what everyone else is doing, you, you can't just look at your field of fire, you can't just look at your field of fire, which is where you're looking for threats. I said, when you do cover and move, and you stop, and you get behind some cover, and then you just, your whole job is just to look, how good do you do? One to ten. And everyone's like, ten. And I said, yeah.


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[Assistant] If you do, it's gotta be so on the side that it doesn't interfere at all with your job as


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[Assistant] Being a being in the military. It's just too hard to balance two things. Can you give a little advice? Can you maybe set something up on the side? Yeah, but


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[Assistant] Dedicate, focus on, focus on what you're doing, 100%. There's nothing else that, I don't know, I just don't, I don't see that as working out very well.


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[Assistant] I've never known anyone that pulled it off. Well, maybe I could think of some. Most people that had some kind of side gig going on, the military was their side gig too. You know, they weren't just in the game. Yea, I know. Yea. Like, no. Do your job.


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[Assistant] I think you can pull it off. You can pull it off way easier in any other job than in the military. Yeah. You can have something going on on the side. Yeah. Because the military is the job where it's like, yeah, 24 hours a day. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Are you, are you saying in a combat scenario? No, I'm talking about just in general. You know? Just in general. And I shouldn't say that, you know, there's a lot of jobs when I work with companies, there's people that are, they're doing 24 hours a day. They're in the game.


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[Assistant] So if you're in one of those kind of jobs, don't get a side job. And aren't there like- Or set yourself up properly that you can do it. It's hard to pull off, man. It's hard to pull off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're thinking of you, like you're... Yeah, but I'm also thinking about like, guys in the SEAL teams. Yeah, that's what I mean. The guys in the SEAL teams that had some kind of side hustle going on, were generally, they weren't fully in the game, you know, that's just the way it is. Maybe there's some guys that I didn't even know about, that did it.


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[Assistant] But most people, like hey, if you're out buying houses and flipping houses, you know, you can kind of do that when you're in the military. Cause you're doing some hard work on the weekends and that's cool. Get a little rental property going. Hey, right on. I did that. But it wasn't, it wasn't, it literally interfered zero with my primary job.


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[Assistant] Alright, back to the book. Many have been seen to fight even when wounded since the organization in general, proud of its past brave engagements, considers that any soldier who has shown the least cowardice in action affronts it. I like that. So, you have that attitude, you have that


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[Assistant] That culture inside your organization, it's a real thing. We don't back down, we keep fighting hard. That's what we do. Alright, now he talks a little bit about projects of campaign.


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[Assistant] One should know one's enemies, their alliances, their resources, and the nature of their country in order to plan a campaign.


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[Assistant] One should know what to expect of one's friends, what resources one has oneself, and see the future effects to determine what one has to fear or hope from political maneuvers. We've heard this over and over again. Understand your enemy.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, extravagant projects of campaign are worthless. I call extravagant those which require you to make penetrations or those which reduce you to a too rigid defense.


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[Assistant] Penetrations are worthless because in pushing too far into the enemy's country, you weaken yourself.


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[Assistant] Your communications become very difficult to maintain on account of their length and in order to make assured conquests, it is necessary always to proceed within the rules. And here's the rules. To advance,


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[Assistant] Establish yourself solidly. To advance again. To establish yourself the same. And always to prepare


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[Assistant] Make sure you're ready. And if you've got to extend yourself, don't extend yourself too far. That's...


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[Assistant] Now, he also says this note, so that's going on the offense. Now there's a dichotomy here. Which, we talk about dichotomy a lot.


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[Assistant] There's a dichotomy here, cause he's saying, hey look, you gotta be careful going on super, super far distant offense and extending yourself too far, but then he says this, back to the book, projects of absolute defensive are not practicable.


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[Assistant] Because while wishing to close yourself in strong camps, the enemy will envelop you, deprive you of your sustenance from the rear, and oblige you to lose ground while disheartening your troops. So, while you're digging in, guess what? The enemy's gonna maneuver on you and cut you off. Now back to the book. I prefer


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[Assistant] To this conduct of the offensive with the hazard of losing the battle.


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[Assistant] Since this will not be more fatal than your retreat and your timid defensive. So, he's saying there, he'd rather be aggressive, be lean towards being more aggressive than lean towards being more defensive. And he, and he says why. In the one,


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[Assistant] You lose ground by withdrawing and soldiers by desertion and you have no hope. So if you go on the defense, that's what happens. You lose ground, you lose soldiers, and you have no hope.


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[Assistant] Now on the offense he says in the other you do not risk more and if you are fortunate you can hope for the most brilliant success. What does he say in there? Attack. That's what he's saying. I agree with that. Again.


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[Assistant] There's a dichotomy there, cause he's saying attack, but the previous paragraph he's saying don't overextend yourself.


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[Assistant] This is why we're writing a book called The Dichotomy Leadership, because you have to find that balance. Alright.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. I am now coming to what I call the defensive, which turns into the offensive. The greatest secret of war and the masterpiece of a skillful general is to starve his enemy.


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[Assistant] Hunger exhausts men more surely than courage and you will succeed with less risk than by fighting.


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[Assistant] But since it is very rare that a war is ended by the capture of a depot and matters are only decided by great battles, it is necessary to employ all these means to attain this object.


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[Assistant] Starving your enemy. You know what I was thinking? Interestingly, you know what I was thinking about when that popped into my mind?


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[Assistant] Is when you're, when you're dealing with relationships, one of the best ways to like win in a relationship scenario, is you starve the other person of attention.


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[Assistant] What do you mean win? Yeah, to win. So like, what's the worst thing you can do to your kid when your kid is doing something bad?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the worst thing you can do is, yeah, is give it attention. The best thing you can do is starve it of attention.


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[Assistant] I just thought that was kind of interesting. And another thing is like in jujitsu.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess I didn't really phrase that correctly, but I was thinking of what we generally do.


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[Assistant] Is, if we've got a problem in a relationship, what do we do? We go to fight it. We go to war.


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[Assistant] The better thing, maybe just to starve, starve it a little bit. How do you starve it? Starve it from attention. Right? Like we talked about, I think it was last week.


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[Assistant] Someone asked, like, how do you get vengeance? And I was like, the best thing, the best vengeance to give is to starve them of attention. Don't even give it to them. That's the win. So I guess it's not good to put that in perspective with your kids. That was not a good thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you could definitely go too far with that. Oh yeah. Yeah. So no, I'm not saying starve. I guess if you're, if you're talking about...


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[Assistant] I guess more than anything else, I'm not even saying it's good or bad, I'm saying it's something to be aware of, that you can use attention as a tool to help you in your engagements, in relationships, in business, in life, in family, whatever. You can use that attention as a tool.


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[Assistant] Oh, I don't automatically assume that. Yeah, it was, but it sounds like- Yeah, okay.


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[Assistant] Alright, here he talks about, and by the way, obviously I'm cutting out big chunks, and what's interesting is he talks about heat for each one of these


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[Assistant] Little principles that he talks about. He actually goes through specific historical battles that happened and how they unfolded, but if you want to read those, you should get the book.


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[Assistant] I wanted to get through all the principles, so here we go. He's kinda skipping the, uh, the battles, and his, his battles, they're not, they're not like these first person kind of accounts that are really moving, they're more just, uhm,


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[Assistant] The duty of the general in these sort of camps is to restore his army and personally to oversee order and discipline. The cavalry and infantry should be visited often and examined to determine if the first is well nourished and if these two corps are complete.


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[Assistant] So, take care of your people. Likewise, the troop should be exercised frequently.


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[Assistant] That's what he's referring to their things like keeping everyone busy, making sure that they're well fed. He talks about those kinds of things. So that's what he's referring to.


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[Assistant] And you have to inspect. You have to get eyes on. He says with your own eyes. So when you're the leader, you just can't throw that order out there and expect it's all gonna happen the way you expected it to. Not gonna happen. You gotta go expect it with your own eyes.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. Nala- oh, before I go back to the book, he's gonna talk about how important it is to understand.


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[Assistant] The battlefield and the terrain. Here we go. Knowledge of the country is to a general. What a rifle is to an infantryman and what the rules of arithmetic are to a geometrician.


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[Assistant] If he does not know the country, he will do nothing but make gross mistakes. Without this, without this knowledge, his projects, be them otherwise admirable, become ridiculous and often impracticable.


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[Assistant] When it is desired to apply oneself to this essential part of war, the most detailed and exact maps of the country that can be found are taken and examined and re-examined frequently.


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[Assistant] If it is not in time of war, the places are visited, camps are chosen, roads are examined, the mayors of the villages, the butchers and the farmers are talked to. One becomes familiar with the footpaths and the depth of the wood.


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[Assistant] Their nature and the depth of the rivers, their practicable marshes and those which are not.


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[Assistant] And one observes in this study to distinguish carefully between the conditions of the marshes and the streams in the different seasons of the year.


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[Assistant] It cannot be said that a stream is impracticable in the month of August because it had been in the month of April.


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[Assistant] The road is chosen to be taken on such and such a march. The number of columns in which the march can be made and all the strong camping places found on the route are examined to see if they can be used.


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[Assistant] I didn't do this as much as I should have because we'd be going to a place for the first time and we'd go there, we'd get a quick kind of information, intelligence would come in and we'd go, okay, we're gonna go find out where this guy is and we'd do a quick map study.


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[Assistant] You know, we do a map study, but it wasn't as thorough as, as when we were in Ramadi for six straight months and you actually just knew where you were.


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[Assistant] Uh, I talked, and somebody just hit me up on Twitter talking about this, but there was a guy from the first of 506, the company commander, he was awesome, and he videoed, he had video cameras in his humvees, and so when he's out driving around Ramadi,


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[Assistant] He would record it and then when he got back he'd just watch it over and over again so he knew every little detail.


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[Assistant] Okay, now we're gonna talk about something, it's, it's a, it's a French word. And, I don't speak French, by the way.


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[Assistant] But the way you actually say it is kudeya. Okay, so kudeya, and it's actually used quite a bit, so I had to like run a couple rehearsals on it.


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[Assistant] Which, which I knew that one, right? Coup. Right, there's a coup.


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[Assistant] And sometimes they say that I could a but I like that some people put a little on the end of it I like that cuz it made a little bit more distinct. So that's what I'm doing. Yeah, and what that means it it


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[Assistant] It translates directly, I believe, to stroke of the eye, and what it means is like a quick glance. Okay. So you just take a quick glance at something, and you understand it. Think about the power of this.


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[Assistant] The kudeya of a general is the talent which great men have of conceiving in a moment all the advantages of the terrain and the use that they can make of it with their army.


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[Assistant] When you are accustomed to the size of your army, you will soon...


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[Assistant] You soon form your coup d'etat with reference to it. And habit teaches you the ground.


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[Assistant] That you can occupy with a certain number of troops. So what he's saying there is you gotta practice. You gotta practice, you gotta practice, practice, practice, and that's, that's what makes you good at it.


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[Assistant] You start to look at situations, and the more you get put in those situations, the better you can size them up. Think about when you first started as a bouncer.


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[Assistant] Right? When you first started as a bouncer, and you look at something and you might think, oh my, what's this guy gonna do? And then, a year, how long were you a bouncer for?


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[Assistant] Okay, so by like the sixth year, you're living a situation like, okay, I can see that guy's good, I gotta get that guy out of here. You, you just get better at your job.


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[Assistant] Your way of just looking at things that are sharp gets sharper.


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[Assistant] Oh, speaking of which, back to the book. The coup d'etat is of great importance on two occasions. The first is when you encounter the enemy on your march and are obliged to choose ground on which to fight instantly.


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[Assistant] As I have remarked, with a single square mile, a hundred different orders of battle can be formed.


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[Assistant] This is why you rehearse. This is also why you think. You think about when you're patrolling.


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[Assistant] You're looking around at the terrain, and you're going, okay, if we get contacted from over there, we can go in this direction. If we get contacted from over there, we can get covered behind this.


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[Assistant] That's exactly what you're doing. Where are the exits? If someone comes in the front, here's what I'm gonna do. If someone comes in the back, here's what I'm gonna do.


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[Assistant] The clever general perceives the advantages of terrain instantly.


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[Assistant] He gains advantage from the slightest hillock, from a tiny marsh. He advances or, he advances or withdraws a wing to gain superiority. He strengthens either his left or his right.


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[Assistant] If you're good, you look at even like a little bag of talent as something that's kinda meaningless and you can take advantage of it.


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[Assistant] If you think about in jujitsu when a guy, if you're good at jujitsu and a guy moves his arm just a little bit, like across, I always say like across the center of their chest.


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[Assistant] Is required of the general when the enemy is found in position and must be attacked.


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[Assistant] Whoever has the best coup d'etat will perceive at first glance the weak spot of the enemy and attack him there.


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[Assistant] And you can only get experience through two things, training or actual experience. Talked about that at the muster. Yes. Like if you want to be good, you can get good through experience.


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[Assistant] Or you can get good through training. Now there's some things that only experience will give you, but you can really make up a lot of ground just from training.


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[Assistant] That's what separates the old martial arts from the new martial arts. Is the experience was close, the experience didn't used to be close to a real fight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the old training experience wasn't close to a real fight. Yes. It was like kata and remember those old things where it's like well when I hit you here


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[Assistant] That might not happen. That might not happen. I remember there was people teaching me that if you hit someone in the neck with like a karate chop straight up, they were teaching me this. If you hit someone in the neck, it's gonna knock them out. That's what they were saying. And that was part of it. That was part of the whole thing. Hey, if you get him here, boom, you hit him in the neck.


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[Assistant] And I didn't even know jiu-jitsu at the time. But I've been in a lot of fights when I was a kid. You know, we were in the streets. And I was like, I don't think that's actually gonna work. Do it to me.


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[Assistant] And the dude's karate chopping me in the neck. It didn't, it didn't have any, it didn't do anything. I mean, does it give you a little flash? I mean, it gives you a little, like a little tiny, but he's trying to knock me out now because I'm calling him out, right? So he's giving it all he's got. He's going for it. Oh, dang. Yup. Yup. So, they're debunked.


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[Assistant] It was about Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan posts something that's like fake martial arts. And, and. Those are.


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[Assistant] When jujitsu first came around and people had been training in, you know, whatever traditional martial art for 20 years.


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden, like a white belt or a blue belt jiu-jitsu would come and wrap him up. Now, I will say this. If I trained whatever, some traditional martial art, and it's 1986, and you and I get in a fight, and you don't know anything, yeaah, you're gonna be in trouble. Cause I at least know how to throw a punch. Possibly. Yeaah. Possibly.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean I think- It's like, hey I'm gonna grab the gi- grab your gi and kick the crap out of your legs.


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[Assistant] Punch you in the chest. That's tough though, man. Yeah, no. It's, it's, it's, well, let's say this. It's a little bit closer to real. Yeah. Right? So it's a little bit closer to real. That's why it has some effectiveness.


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[Assistant] The more closer you are to real, the more effective something is. And that's the way it goes. Yes sir. Alright. Uh, speaking of training.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. It is on this exact knowledge of the terrain that has regulated the dispositions of the troops and the order of battle of the army. So again, he's still talking about being able to look quickly and assess how you're gonna set up your troops on the terrain.


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[Assistant] Our modern formations for combat, for the most part, are defective.


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[Assistant] Because they cast all in the same mold. I really like this part.


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[Assistant] He's saying, look, it's not always the same. What we do, what we say right now is, hey, everyone lines up here. Reality is that doesn't work.


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[Assistant] If an army is really to be camped according to the rules of war, it is essential that each arm should be placed in a locality where it can act. That means you gotta have flexibility in what you're doing.


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[Assistant] There is an ancient rule of war that cannot be repeated often enough. Hold your forces together, make no detachments, and when you want to fight the enemy, reassemble all your forces and seize every advantage to make sure of your success.


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[Assistant] This rule is so certain that most of the generals who have neglected it have been punished promptly. So he's saying don't separate your forces. And I've talked about this before, because that's what I believed. Are there times where you separate your forces? Yes, there are. You have to be prudent, you have to be smart.


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[Assistant] Again, this is something I talk about all the time. Once you've got your forces separated on the battlefield, it can get problematic very, very quickly. So keep your forces consolidated as much as you can. How does that translate into the business world? Well,


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[Assistant] Be careful when you start breaking off little chunks of your company to go and explore new territory because when you break off chunks you get a little bit weaker.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're right. I got a question for you. How does this apply to Jiu Jitsu?


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[Assistant] No, no, he told me later. Okay. Oh here you have to do something that I've told you never to do here You have to do it. Yes from the mount. It's from you turn so far that you that there's an escape


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[Assistant] The way this applies to jiu-jitsu, this specifically, you're talking about something else that does apply to jiu-jitsu. This applies to jiu-jitsu. Picture this. You're a one body, right?


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[Assistant] When you're doing jujitsu, it is highly advantageous to keep your arms and your legs close to your body, especially your arms, right? You don't stick your arm out, right? What happens when you stick your arm out? It's out there by itself and it gets taken over. It's armlocked.


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[Assistant] Uh, Fabio, Fabio Santos, he used to say, make like your arms come out of your belly.


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[Assistant] There are times when yes, you gotta reach out and you gotta make another move happen. So, as much as you can, you keep your forces consolidated as a body, as a human. Occasionally, you gotta step them up.


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[Assistant] Echo Charles has got your back. Alright. Uh, this is a great section. This is a great section.


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[Assistant] The talents that a general must have.


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[Assistant] Spies and ruses and stratagems of war. But, here we go. Talents?


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[Assistant] Either would be admirable, but is not characteristic of human nature to produce beings exempt from human weakness and defects.


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[Assistant] Now he says this, but in spite of this awareness of our imperfection, it is not less necessary to consider all the different talents that are needed by an accomplished general.


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[Assistant] These are the models that one attempts to imitate and which one would not try to approach if they were not presented to us. So he's like, hey look, even though we can't be perfect, we should still look and see what perfect is so that we can at least try and get there.


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[Assistant] Nothing wrong with that. Here we go.


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[Assistant] It is essential that a general should disassemble while appearing to be occupied. So what he's saying is you gotta detach a little bit. Working with the mind and working with the body.


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[Assistant] And here, he goes into a good list right here. Ceaselessly suspicious. While affecting tranquility.


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[Assistant] So you act like you're calm, but you should constantly be suspicious of what is happening.


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[Assistant] Here's a solid one. Saving of the blood of his soldiers and not squandering it except for the most important interests.


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[Assistant] In a word, he should be more than industrious, active and indefatigable.


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[Assistant] Not forgetting one thing to execute another.


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[Assistant] And above all, not despising those sorts of little details which pertain to great projects.


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[Assistant] So you gotta be more than just like hard working. You gotta be more than active.


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[Assistant] And he goes into a little clarity around some of these.


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[Assistant] Here we go back to the book. Now this is, this is one of those things where people start to freak out a little bit.


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[Assistant] Because, because these days everyone throws around the transparency word, right? Everyone should be transparent. It's like, actually no, you shouldn't be transparent all the time.


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[Assistant] And in fact, you know, that's why I talk about controlling your emotions all the time. And that's why it's so powerful. If, if, if you're getting mad at someone and you show them that you're getting mad, well then you're giving away your hand and now they're gonna get mad at you and it's just a problem.


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[Assistant] So you need to, you need to not do that. You need to not be transparent.


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[Assistant] And this, he goes into brilliant explanations as to why you can't just be transparent. Hiding, you need to be hiding his thoughts. Okay.


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[Assistant] He should be constantly on the stage and should appear most tranquil when he is most occupied. For the whole army speculates on his looks, on his gestures, and on his mood.


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[Assistant] So when you're walking around and you're panicking, guess what? Everyone on the team is looking at you going, what's going on? Why is the boss panicking?


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[Assistant] If he is seen to be more thoughtful than customary,


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[Assistant] The officers will believe he is incubating some project of consequence.


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[Assistant] You gotta put on, you gotta put on the little mask. Over your little emotions.


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[Assistant] Talking about the, uh, the general. If he fears that he cannot master his expression, either he can pretend to be ill or he should make an excuse of some personal trouble to explain his appearance to the public. You know? That's pretty funny actually.


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[Assistant] You know, if you're, if you're willing to do like, skip work, cause you don't want people to see you're freaking out, I don't recommend that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well that's what they'll say. You know what, uh, people in the teams, I would say people do the opposite and they have like problems at home. It's like calling and saying like, I can't make it say what they're really doing. It's like crying because they're a big scrap with their old lady. All right. Uh, this is, this is brilliant right here. Above all,


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[Assistant] When he has received some bad news, he should treat it as a trifle and show the number of resources which he has to retrieve it.


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[Assistant] That's basically good. That's, that's saying good. When somebody, when you have, when you receive some bad news, oh good, bring it. That's, he's saying the exact same thing.


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[Assistant] While never despising his enemy, in the bottom of his heart, he should never speak of him except with scorn. And compare carefully the advantages of our troops over the others.


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[Assistant] This is good. If some detachment is unfortunate in the war, he should examine the cause. And after having determined the reason for the fault, he should instruct his officers concerning it. In this fashion, a few minor misfortunes will never discourage the troops, and they will always preserve the feeling of confidence in their ability. So when something goes wrong, you don't freak out.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, secrecy is so necessary for a general that the ancients have even said that there was not a human being able to hold his tongue.


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[Assistant] But here's the reason for that. If you form the finest plans in the world, but divulge them, your enemy will learn about them and then it will be very easy for him to parry them.


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[Assistant] The general plan of the campaign should be communicated at most to the officer responsible for supplies and the rest of the details should not be told to officers except when the time has come to execute them. When there are generals


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[Assistant] Detached. And you must write to them, the letter should be completely in code.


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[Assistant] If your enemy intercepts one, you will not have betrayed yourself. This is clearly something that applies.


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[Assistant] To that type of warfare back in the day, but it applies to life as well. I mean when you open your mouth


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[Assistant] That's the deal. There you go. See? So we do say that. You are correct.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. It is absolutely necessary to change your methods often and to imagine new decoys. If you always act in the same manner, you will soon be interpreted for you are surrounded with 50,000 curious who want to know everything that you think and how you are going to lead them. That's pretty cool.


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[Assistant] It's interesting, what's kind of interesting about that is he's not even talking about the enemy. He's talking about your own people. You know, you gotta think of new things.


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[Assistant] And this is clearly, this is something I always try to explain to people in Jiu Jitsu is, the thing that you're going for is not going to work. You have to use the, you have to use, create new decoys, you have to try new things or else you're not gonna catch people. That's the way it works.


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[Assistant] Should appear friendly to soldiers. Speak to them on the march. Visit them while they are cooking. Ask them if they are well cared for. And alleviate their needs if they have any. Officers without experience in war should be treated kindly. Their good actions should be praised. Small requests should be granted them. And they should


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[Assistant] Which, we're down with that. And that's, again, that's why when I talked about why people would listen to this guy, one of the reasons is because he took care of his people.


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[Assistant] He was out there seeing what problems they had. How can we get those problems fixed?


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[Assistant] And then he says, but severity is maintained about everything regarding the service. The negligent officer is punished. The man who answers back is made to feel your severity by being reprimanded with authoritative error that superiority gives. Pillaging or argumentative soldiers or those who, whose obedience is not immediate, immediate should be punished. So there you go. Dichotomy.


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[Assistant] You gotta hold the line, but at the same time, don't hold that line so tight that it snaps.


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[Assistant] The general can even discuss the war with some of his core commanders who are the most intelligent and permit them to express their sentiments freely in conversation. So when I was talking about how he was just, everyone listen to me.


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[Assistant] Blind obedience is what I require. Here he's saying no, actually listen to your people.


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[Assistant] If you find some good things among what they say, you should not remark about it then, but make use of it.


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[Assistant] When this has been done, you should speak about it in the presence of many others. It was so-and-so who had this idea. Praise him for it.


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[Assistant] This modesty will gain the general the friendship of good thinking men and he will more easily find persons who will speak their sentiments sincerely to him. Boom.


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[Assistant] You wanna, you wanna have, he's, he's, the reason that he's doing this is cause he wants people to speak their mind to him. That's the reason why he's doing this.


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[Assistant] It's also, it's also interesting that cause I've, I say this, if you've ever heard me talk about how like, it's whenever someone's right and I'm wrong, I'm happy.


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[Assistant] Cause if you're right and I'm wrong, I can be like, ah man, Echo, that's really, you know, good job, man. That's, you really pointed that out. And it, and it shows you.


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[Assistant] Cause otherwise you're just like, oh, do you think she's right all the time? No, no, hecko man, you're right. I'm wrong. That's a good job. Hey, appreciate you, uh, straighten me out on that, right? Yes, you are right, actually. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And so that's what he's saying, is it actually gives you the opportunity to be modest and to be humble.


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[Assistant] Put it this way, I'm glad to be here. You know, so, and that helps. Well, let me answer that question for you. And we've talked about this before. If, if the reason I was doing it was so that, like, I could get something out of you, that would benefit me and not benefit, and hurt you, then yea, it'd be manipulation. But if it's just like, hey, we're just trying to build, we're just trying to make something happen, then yea, then it's all good. In my opinion.


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[Assistant] There was, would you say the last podcast was an example of that?


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[Assistant] Back to the book. The principal task of the general is mental. Large projects and major arrangements.


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[Assistant] But since the best dispositions become useless if they are not executed, it is essential that the general should be industrious to see whether his orders are executed or not. Again. Just cause you say, go make this happen, doesn't mean it's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Moving on. Here's a, here's a line you can just, you can just, you can just print this up.


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[Assistant] Skepticism is the mother of security. That's legit.


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[Assistant] Even though only fools trust their enemies, prudent persons never do.


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[Assistant] The general is the principal sentinel of his army. Think about that. The general is the principal sentinel of the army. The guy that's, the guy that's keeping everyone safe is the general. He's the primary watchstander for everyone.


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[Assistant] He should always be careful of its preservation and that it is never exposed to misfortune.


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[Assistant] One falls into a feeling of security after battles when one is drunk with success and when one believes the enemy completely disheartened. So we all know that.


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[Assistant] You know what Jeff Higgs told me? If you tap a guy out, like if you have someone that like legit you have battles with on the map, and you tap them out, you need to step it up. Because they're gonna step it up. You're all relaxed, you're all celebrating your victory. Don't do it. Step it up. They're coming hard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. The uhm, the idea of saying, I already knew that, is not good.


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[Assistant] But what's funny about that is- Yeah, yeah, a tone can say it, but also, I already knew that. You didn't know it. If you would've known it, you would've said it.


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[Assistant] Most likely, like that's an 80%. Sure, 20% of the time you might be like, Hey Jocko, arm locks work from the guard too. I'd be like,


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[Assistant] You know, that's sort of a general principle that I totally agree with. You know, something like that. Just not, I already knew that.


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[Assistant] You know what forces those words out of your mouth? What?


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[Assistant] You will eventually be seen as someone that actually does know that. Yeah, clearly you know that.


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[Assistant] Alright, here's another situation. One falls into a feeling of security when a skillful enemy amuses you with pretend peace proposals.


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[Assistant] One falls into a feeling of security by mental laziness and through lack of calculation concerning the intentions of the enemy.


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[Assistant] To proceed, and now he gives instructions on how to overcome these situations. To proceed properly, it is necessary to put oneself in his place and say, what would I do if I were the enemy?


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[Assistant] Put it right at once. So, look, even when you win, go, okay, well, if I were the enemy, what would I do right now?


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[Assistant] And if you can't figure out how to solve what you think the enemy's gonna do, then correct it right now.


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[Assistant] Through an hours neglect, an unfortunate delay loses a reputation that has been acquired with a great deal of labor. Always presume that the enemy has dangerous designs and always be forehanded with the remedy.


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[Assistant] No, don't let these calculations make you timid. Circumspection is only good to a certain point.


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[Assistant] A rule that I practice myself, and which I have always found good, is that in order to have rest oneself,


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[Assistant] If you wanna get any wrestling, you gotta put your competitor on their heels. Then he says this throws them back on the defensive, and once they are placed that way, they cannot raise up again during the entire campaign.


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[Assistant] You just go. When you get that lead on someone, you put them down. That's one of the things I noticed in- in-


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[Assistant] MMA. Like someone will say, oh you won that last round, you got this. No! No, actually don't say that to your corner.


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[Assistant] Continuing on, back to the book. If you wish to be loved by your soldiers, husband their blood and do not lead them to slaughter.


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[Assistant] They can be spared by shortening the battle by means that I shall indicate by the skill with which you choose your points of attack in the weakest localities in not breaking your head against impracticable things which are ridiculous to attempt.


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[Assistant] Get husband in their blood and not lead them to slaughter. But, the way you do that...


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[Assistant] Is by attacking the weak locations. Is, I, you know, how many times have you heard me say like, don't bang your head against the wall 47 times? 47? Okay, that's the limit. Okay, 48th you gotta find a different way. That's what he's saying. Don't just keep banging your, bringing your head against impracticable things. Don't do that.


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[Assistant] And here he says this, when you seem to be most prodigal of soldier's blood, you spare it however by supporting your attacks well.


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[Assistant] So what is he saying there? He's saying that the times, sometimes it might seem like you're being most wasteful.


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[Assistant] Of, of the blood of your soldiers. But it's in those times.


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[Assistant] It seems that way, the reason it seems that way is because you're being super aggressive.


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[Assistant] It's because you're setting up your attacks, you're supporting them well, and you're being default aggressive.


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[Assistant] Take care of it. Take care of it. And then, he's saying when you seem to be most prodigal of your soldier's blood, that means when you're wasteful of your soldier's blood.


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[Assistant] You spare it by supporting your attacks. Well, that makes sense. By pushing them with the greatest vigor.


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[Assistant] That makes sense. Cause if you guys are going at it half ass, guess what? It's not gonna work out well for em.


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[Assistant] Rules of war are of great usefulness. Or sorry, ruses of war are of great usefulness. Ruses of war, so this is like tricks, right?


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[Assistant] They are detours, listen to this, they are detours which often lead more surely to the objective than the wide road which goes straight ahead.


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[Assistant] So what is he saying there? Don't do the frontal assault on the enemy's strong point.


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[Assistant] Use flanks. And here he just breaks it down. Animals have only one method of acting. But intelligent men have inexhaustible resources. These resources are infinite in number.


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[Assistant] Their object is to hide your veritable design and to catch the enemy in the trap you have prepared for him.


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[Assistant] Thus, the contrary of what one wishes to do is feigned.


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[Assistant] If you open the campaign, you have your troops march and counter march so that the enemy cannot learn the locality where you assemble.


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[Assistant] If it is a question of capturing cities, you encamp in a place which makes him fearful for two or three cities of his at the same time being attacked.


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[Assistant] Right? You got the arm bar. You put the person in the thread of the arm bar and the triangle and the sweep all at the same time. You set up camp in between three cities. They don't know which one you're gonna attack. And they gotta defend all of them.


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[Assistant] You outwit the enemy to force him to fight or to prevent him from it. So he's saying that the two ways to outsmart the enemy is you either make the enemy fight when you don't want to, when he doesn't want to, or you prevent him from fighting when you don't want to fight.


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[Assistant] Reverse psychology is what he's about to go into right now. There are two means of forcing the enemy to fight. One is pretending to fear it.


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[Assistant] His self-confidence becomes your accomplice, security lulls him into...


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[Assistant] Security lulz, him, and your cunning triumphs. So, if you act like you're afraid, maybe the person's gonna fight you.


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[Assistant] Different ruses are used and apparent war is made which has all the actions of the offensive and which nevertheless is of an opposite nature So he's saying there if you don't want to fight you act like you want to fight That's that's all he's saying in a bunch of words


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[Assistant] It is your attitude that imposes on your enemy and the suspicion that you give him that you are forming the boldest projects against him.


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[Assistant] You steal away by a night march, which you had already planned long before.


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[Assistant] He thinks he has you, and the next day, there's no one.


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[Assistant] If you only withdraw, you will be followed. But then it is necessary to take position to the flank, which will prevent him from passing you without running into great danger.


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[Assistant] This sort of war is a masterpiece of the Austrians and it is from them that it should be learned.


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[Assistant] And plan your escape. That's kind of the key thing. Cause if you just act aggressively, you might get called on it, right? Yep. And he's saying act aggressively, but plan your escape while you're acting aggressively.


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[Assistant] Is it the general rule to just hold people back, like hold your friend back from getting in a fight? It depends, depends on your circles. Cause if you've ever been with someone who's like, I'm not gonna hold you back, go, but you wanna. Oh yea.


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[Assistant] One of my buddies who's always a badass team guy, somebody was talking smack, another seal was talking smack. He's like, I'll go kick that guy's ass.


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[Assistant] He's like, go ahead. What are you waiting for? He's right over there. Why don't you go get him? You're running your mouth.


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[Assistant] So, don't run your mouth is the key point there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, that's a good response to the old school tactic. If you come out with me and you want to go after someone, I'm gonna let you go. Yeah. I'll be like, I'll go get some. See what you got. Cause I don't like people when they're running their mouth. You know what I mean? I don't think anyone does. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's weird that everyone knows, no one likes people that run their mouths, but there's a bunch of people in the world that run their mouths.


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[Assistant] Good point. That is, that you just, you, uh, once again, for that guy that's listening, you just nailed it. He's like, oh, got it.