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[Assistant] If you don't teach a kid, like hey, when you see someone that needs help, you go help them.


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[Assistant] Right? Like little old lady crossing the street. Right?


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[Assistant] Right? That seems obvious. Little old lady across the street, she's got a grocery bag.


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[Assistant] You, you go, okay, hey, can I help you with that grocery bag and, you know, help you put it in your car? Maybe for you, you get a little pump while you're at it with that grocery bag.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so like that's, that seems like a real common sense thing to do. And that's like the most basic example I can think of off the top of my head. Like, okay, so that would be a good thing to train.


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[Assistant] A kid to do. Hey, if you see someone that needs some help, you give them some help.


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[Assistant] Especially an elderly person that's having some trouble. That's what you do. Seems real obvious. But what I'm saying is, and I think even, I think most people, most kids would be like, oh yea, they'd see that and they would tend to go, okay, I'll help out.


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[Assistant] Like, because the people on the fringes, they're not helping that person. There's someone on the fringe that's gonna like, oh they dropped their bag and we'll steal it from them. Yeah. Right? So that's where we end up with a problem.


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[Assistant] And that's why these things probably need to come up as part of a conversation, as like a national or universal conversations to be had. Like, okay, what is right and wrong?


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[Assistant] Where are they coming from? People aren't, people, three people aren't reading the Bible anymore to look for their guidance. They're not following Buddhism to get their guidance from, right? They're just, they're just kind of going around. Yeah. So where's that coming from?


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[Assistant] And what are they looking at to get to measure, to, to establish that from? You know what they're looking at? Instagram.


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[Assistant] That's what's around them and they're looking at it going okay. Well, this is You know, that seems like what we're doing


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, you know and I feel a little uncomfortable about it, but you know what seems normal Yeah, we're doing it fun. Yeah guys were laughing. I got a lot of views got a lot of you Yeah, so maybe that's what's cool. Yeah, that's what we need to watch out for


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[Assistant] Yeah, and what I'm saying is we've gotten away from things that in the past would have guided us at least somewhat and where you'd had this sort of


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[Assistant] And he's thinking, you know what, I play a video game all day where I shoot, like, people in this video game and that makes me feel better. Well maybe it'd make me feel better to go out and do that in a school.


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[Assistant] So, if we don't have, if we don't lay out these things for people, even though most people don't need them, there's some people that need them. That's my point, is that we've gotten to a point where we think, you know what, pretty much everyone kinda gets it. And if everyone kinda gets it, I don't need to emphasize it that much.


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[Assistant] And so I'm not going to emphasize it. Well, there's some people that need it.


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[Assistant] This is interesting, speaking of interesting. Instructive talks on morals presented in the classroom often become abstract or involve stories of people from the distant past, so they're not likely to inspire the listener.


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[Assistant] And it can be said that the habit of observation, the ability


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[Assistant] To make decisions quickly and the ability to remain calm and resolute that are cultivated through fighting are also valuable outcomes of the practice of Judo. These abilities however will not be developed merely by doing Kata and Randori training without any thought.


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[Assistant] These abilities will naturally develop when one takes care and thought in practicing them on a daily basis. So this is, this is something very interesting to think about. So I thought that was great. Like, hey, you learn about some, you know, you read the Bible, you know, it's like, ah, that doesn't really make sense to me. It's some guy that lived thousands of years ago and well, I don't really get that.


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[Assistant] I don't really get why I should be humble because it says you should be humble. Well get on the mat!


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[Assistant] Is, is truly understood, but if you don't get, if no one, if no, if you don't think about the fact that, hey, that reflects life too, by the way.


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[Assistant] That reflects life, by the way. If no one makes that connection for you, that's problematic. And I mean, clearly, uh, jujitsu...


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[Assistant] This is a big difference between jiu-jitsu and judo, like we talked about what the competitions are like and you talk about how you get disqualified. Jiu-jitsu, you have people in jiu-jitsu that have bad attitudes, right? They don't, they don't apply what they learn in jiu-jitsu. One of the things that, you know, my attitude always is with jiu-jitsu is like, if I get, if I beat someone in jiu-jitsu,


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[Assistant] If you, if you understand jujitsu, if you beat someone in jujitsu, you realize that doesn't make you a better person than the person that you beat. What it means is you've trained more than them. That's what it means.


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[Assistant] Or it means you caught them that time. It means you got lucky with a move. It means they made a mistake and you had trained enough to be able to capitalize on it. It doesn't mean you're a better human being than they are. And there are people in jujitsu that think, oh, I am a better human being than that person is because I tapped him out. It's like actually no, not true at all.


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[Assistant] If you're not connecting these bigger, broader lessons and connecting jiu-jitsu to life,


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[Assistant] Which is not a good thing. It's not a good thing at all. Jujitsu should be making you humble because you should recognize like, oh yea, well I've been training longer than this guy and that's why I can beat him. And one day if they keep training more than me they'll be able to beat me. So hopefully I'll keep training and we'll have a relationship and we'll be able to support each other and that's the attitude.


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[Assistant] So I think that's one of the things where, you know, you've got, in my mind, you've got judo on one side, which is, you know, really strict and controlled and


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[Assistant] And less evolutionary, because it doesn't evolve as much. And you have Jujitsu on the other hand, which is wildly evolutionary. It's incredibly creative. Like there's less creativity in Judo, there's way more creativity in Jujitsu. And I think in the middle,


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[Assistant] Especially on the attitude part is where jiu-jitsu now is like you need, like you go to a jiu-jitsu competition like little kids that are, they have, they're bad sports.


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[Assistant] They're bad sports. They did not learn sportsmanship. And that's an important thing. Cause what does sportsmanship mean? Sportsmanship doesn't just mean like you're a good sport on the mat. No, it means that in life you can handle getting beaten and you're gonna get back up and you're gonna have a good attitude. That's what sportsmanship is. That's why you're trying to teach that to your kids.


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[Assistant] Right? And there's a million little things like that in jiu-jitsu that you learn. Like, just the hard training. Well you, you know what?


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[Assistant] In jujitsu, sometimes you work hard and you still get beat. Yeaah. That's the way life is.


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[Assistant] That's the way life is. You work hard, you give everything you got, you're still gonna get beat. Well guess what? Do you learn from that? You learn about life from that. The creativity part.


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[Assistant] If you're stuck in a box on something. And, and he talked about that earlier, like, oh yeaah. When he's talking about there's only one path, again, I talk about him as being a very...


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[Assistant] I won't say not creative, but he's, he's got an orderly brain, right? Cause I never look at something that there's one path. Like, and by the way, if I fail in business,


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[Assistant] He's like, hey, there's only one path. No, if I fail in business, I'm actually gonna look and see like, well, okay, what other path could I take? Now he's talking about the path of like, like I'm not saying, oh no, the hell with discipline and I'm just gonna do whatever I want. So he's saying stay on that path and that makes sense.


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[Assistant] But there is a certain lack of creativity there, like, okay, well, if I make a mistake, I'm gonna assess, and I'm gonna see what I can do differently. And again, I'm not arguing that that's, that he was saying, no, don't ever try anything else, but,


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[Assistant] That is an important piece that you learn from jujitsu. Like, oh, if I can't pass the guard, this person's guard this particular way, I need to take a different approach. You learn that from jujitsu and you can apply it to life. So all these lessons,


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[Assistant] That if you don't pay attention to what you're learning in jiu-jitsu and you don't reflect on it and put it back on your life, well then all you're learning is how to fight people and beat them up, well then jiu-jitsu is not doing what it should, it's not doing what it could be doing for you. So you need to be careful of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is, it is, and that's a bad example for me to use. Uhm, but at the same time, I wanna make sure people aren't like, well, you know, I'm gonna stay on the path. I'm gonna stay the course.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna stay the course. You know what? We failed that time, but it's okay. I'm gonna stay the course. I'm gonna keep going. No, no, no, no, no. Assess. See what you can do differently.


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[Assistant] An integral, which is integral to the teachings of judo competition can be applied to many aspects of life. Those who practice judo must measure their behavior by this principle on a daily basis and make corrections when appropriate. If you actually apply this standard to every aspect of your life, from food, clothing and shelter to your work and relationships,


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[Assistant] You'll find that you often have to correct your own mistakes. Those who do this will make progress day by day and advance in life. Those who fail to do so will never progress and in many cases will regress. So keep an eye on those little things.


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[Assistant] The practice of Judo, but becomes quite necessary later. You may experiment with various outcomes, carefully anticipating how your opponent will react, but if there is a limit to the ideas you can come up with, and if the range is narrow, no good ideas will come to you no matter how much time passes.


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[Assistant] On the other hand, if you come up with a variety of ideas one after another, and if your thoughts extend to things quite different from your original idea, you can come up with a perfect solution among those ideas. So he talks about creativity.


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[Assistant] This is very important to the practice of judo. The reason is, it is, the reason is that in randori as well as in kata, if you try and explain a particular method in words, unless you explain it exceptionally logically and clearly, your listener will not understand what you mean.


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[Assistant] There are some things that can be demonstrated in detail using kata while others do not lend themselves to this method. In some cases, you must explain things in writing or verbally. When teaching, whether you demonstrate things through kata only or by giving a verbal explanation while demonstrating the kata makes a big difference to the listener.


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[Assistant] This is a truism. When you ask something, when you ask someone about something you do not understand or discuss something in depth, it is highly beneficial if you can talk about it clearly. Thus, it is so in the practice of Judo. Take care, take care to discuss things logically and clearly. So even he talks about the importance of being able to express yourself and having good command of the language. It applies to Judo.


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[Assistant] Simple, clear, concise. Yea, for sure. Yea, you're right. Good call. I like it.


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[Assistant] Next, I would like to discuss the need for broad mindedness. Broad mindedness means open to new ideas as well as the ability to organize various kinds of ideas at the same time without mixing them up. The reason this is important


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[Assistant] To the practice of judo is that when there is no broad mindedness.


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[Assistant] People often become overly confident in their own beliefs such that if there are new ideas that are superior, not only do they not accept these new ideas, but in doing so, they fail to determine their value and whether they are good or bad. This is something you see all the time with people with ego and a closed mind. They don't listen to anybody else. They don't come up with any new ideas. It's horrible. So keep an open mind.


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[Assistant] Speaking of simple, the theory of judo fighting includes some quite complicated ideas. When we consider the relationship between the body and the four limbs, their positions, how to use them, how to handle the mental aspects, one theory gets mixed up with many others, so it becomes difficult to reach an overall conclusion. Even if we link


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[Assistant] These complicated theories to look at them separately, the ability to unify them in the end must be the second requirement for broad-mindedness. So you gotta be able to connect things, you gotta be able to simplify things.


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[Assistant] This is interesting. There is a teaching in judo competition that says one must look at the relationship between one's self and others and one's surroundings. So you have to orient, this is, this is OODA loop. This is OODA loop. So you have to, you have to orient yourself to what's happening. You have to look around and see what's going on.


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[Assistant] Another one, in judo fighting there is a teaching, Saki Otore.


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[Assistant] Which means anticipate. Simply put, this means using your waza on your opponent before he can use his waza on you. Boom. Be aggressive. Default aggressive. Don't wait for the enemy to do something. You do it first.


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[Assistant] There is another teaching in judo fighting. Jukiru Danko.


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[Assistant] And this translates to decisive action after careful consideration. Jukiro means carefully considering the situation before attempting to use a waza. Danko means acting without delay once you have made a decision.


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[Assistant] When this teaching is applied to the path people take in life, it can indeed be relevant in many situations. This is a good one.


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[Assistant] What you, you consider what you're gonna do, but then once you make a decision, you go. Yea, you go. Full speed.


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[Assistant] You go full speed, you always reassess. You always keep your mind open. Even when I'm, like, I made a decision, like, hey, you know what, we've debated this enough, let's go. Even when I say that and I mean it, I'm still just making sure. I always make sure. I'm always reassessing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well that's definitely true. And also don't sit there and wait to make a decision. You know, make a decision. But this is, what's interesting, here's a, here's a contra- back to the book, a further teaching which seems to be somewhat contra- contradictory to Donko is known as to- Tomaru Tokoro Oshider. And that translates, no wind to stop.


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[Assistant] This means that when you venture to use a waza up to a certain point, but when you reach that point, you must stop.


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[Assistant] Again, this rule has universal applicability to many aspects of life as well. So there you go.


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[Assistant] You got those two opposing forces. One is like, go. And the other one's like, no one to stop. So those are, let's just say, very important.


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[Assistant] One of the most important concepts in judo fighting says if you win, do not boast of your victory. If you lose, do not be discouraged. When it is safe, do not be careless. When it is dangerous, do not fear. Simply continue down the path ahead.


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[Assistant] Right? Those are... Normal face? Yea. Normal face. Yes. Affirmative.


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[Assistant] When encountering social pressures such as those, such as those we experience today, even an incredibly strong-willed person can lose spirit and experience great adversity. This is when we must, this is when he must show true character.


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[Assistant] At times like these, the ability to overcome difficulties, endure and be patient, preserve one's honor, and maintain a spirit of integrity are truly valuable above all else.


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[Assistant] In order to do this, first you must develop good daily habits.


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[Assistant] These good habits include simplicity and moderation. And while thinking of yourself, always keep other people and society as a whole in mind as well. You must not trouble others for your own convenience. And if you can, you must try to benefit others while benefiting yourself.


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[Assistant] In other words, you must perfect yourself and contribute to society, which is the ultimate purpose of the study of judo.


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[Assistant] Man, judo's a lot bigger than you thought it was, isn't it? It is, yes sir. He's trying to take it to the distance.


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[Assistant] Do something to benefit society must first make sure they can easily take care of their own business.


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[Assistant] Then you put it on your kid. Because if you're suffocating, how are you going to help your kid? You're not. You can't. Here we get a little controversy. Professional wrestlers and boxers are generally people of low character.


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[Assistant] Back in his time in Japan. Some Kodokan members have gained popularity performing on tour with them, but I don't believe this behavior is in accord with the aim of Judo. True Judo practitioners must not be performers.


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[Assistant] And this is, this is again, I had to call these things out, cause obviously I don't agree with uh, ball, wrestlers and boxers being people of low character. In fact, I believe the opposite of that.


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[Assistant] But here's a good one. In the future, when asked to compete against wrestlers or boxers, the competitors must decide whether the judo practitioners will compete under the rules of boxing or wrestling, or whether the opponent will compete under the rules of judo.


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[Assistant] However, those contests must never be commercialized. They must be merely trials between volunteers for the purpose of research. If for some reason, showmen should get involved.


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[Assistant] People get charged admission and it becomes a spectator sport. You must recognize that this is in complete violation of the spirit of Kodokan Judo.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean there's a lot of things you can call, but actually, you know, Judo Jean Labelle.


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[Assistant] And I think it was Denver. I forget where it was. But yea, that was like, that's kind of noted as sort of the beginning of like, whatever, popular MMA, right? Boxer versus Judoka. And Judo Jean LeBel is a American


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[Assistant] Icon. He's an icon of grappling. If you don't know who Judo Gene LeBell is, look him up. He's awesome.


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[Assistant] And he actually, so he did this back in the day, back in 1963. What do you think the outcome was? Boxer versus Judo.


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[Assistant] No, they fought, they fought, they fought like in an MMA fight. I mean it was, it was an, it was, you fight each other.


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[Assistant] You know, it's just interesting how completely commercialized this is. And it's also interesting that, again, closed-mindedness, or I don't know if you call it closed-mindedness, but he has a very orderly brain, and he was like, look, it's either gonna be


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[Assistant] Those rules or these rules? He didn't think to himself like, hey, you know what, what if you just mix it up and do it all together? Yea, all rules. Yea, all rules. Why wouldn't we do that? Which is interesting because in Judo they do cover striking and you don't hear about it much but they have, those are part of it.


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[Assistant] So it's interesting that in his mind he's like, no, it's either of those rules or these rules.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, in everyday randori practice, fighting against another person is not the real purpose of the practice of judo.


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[Assistant] Because fighting to see who will win is interesting and is done on a daily basis. Yes, it is. It goes without saying that becoming able to beat someone is one of the ultimate goals of the practice of rendori. However, there's clearly a difference between becoming able to beat someone at a future time and becoming obsessed at beating someone now.


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[Assistant] In order to beat someone now, it is best for those who are strong to use that strength to overcome the other person's strength. However, with that method, if you encounter an opponent who is much stronger than you are, you will naturally lose.


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[Assistant] So even if you lose for a while, the correct practice of Randori is to slip dexterously away from your opponent, adapt to his strength, cause him to lose his balance while stepping back, and then take advantage of the opportunity to perform a waza.


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[Assistant] If you do this kind of training, you will for awhile often be twisted by the arm and held down or pushed down by your opponent. But if you do not frequently engage in this kind of training, you will never learn how to beat a stronger opponent. So this is what we talk about all the time when we talk about relaxing and trying to relax and


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[Assistant] Putting yourself in bad positions and not using your strength. That's what we're talking about. And again, that applies to life as well. That applies to


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[Assistant] Not staying in your comfort zone. Not continuing to concentrate on what you're good at. Focus on your weaknesses. That's what that talks about.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I'll go ahead and say this, like, this is, this sounds good.


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[Assistant] It's, but we all, I mean, at least every single person I train with, like, we're trying to, we're trying to win. Now, that being said, now, actually I'm gonna go ahead and correct myself.


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[Assistant] We train, we wanna win, but like, you take way more risks training with our, with our training team than you would take if you were training with someone else, right?


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[Assistant] You take, you know, you take rescue, try new things, you put yourself in bad positions, I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try this armlock, I'm gonna try this choke, even though I might end up on the bottom, but that's okay. You know what I mean? So I guess that's true. I don't focus completely on just trying to beat the other person. Yeah, so that's actually very accurate. And I think as you are, as you start this game,


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[Assistant] That's the best attitude to have is like, hey, you got to relax. And I was talking to a buddy of mine that's just starting jiu-jitsu out, and he's like my age, and yeaah, he's like, man, I'm trying to relax harder. He's like, I'm trying to relax harder. And actually what I, I, I sent him a text, and I was like, it's like rock climbing.


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[Assistant] Have you ever done any rock climbing before? Yes. So there's technique in rock climbing. Like there's legit technique, obviously. Well it's not obvious. If you've never rock climbed before, there's a massive amount of technique in rock climbing.


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[Assistant] It's the way you position your fingers, the way you position your hands, the way you use your legs. You don't hang the weight on your muscles. You hang it on your bones and your ligaments. So you're not getting tired. Your muscles aren't getting tired out because you're using the technique.


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[Assistant] If you don't know rock climbing, guess what you do? You hang on to the freakin' rock with all your muscle as long as you can. That's exactly what happens in Jiu Jitsu. When your technique is good, you're just gonna hang on.


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[Assistant] And the only way you're not going to lose is to train all the time. So the days that you, the days that you're like, well,


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[Assistant] You know, like yesterday I was on a different time zone, came back, it was, I got back in the day, I had work to do as soon as I hit the ground, I got done with that, I hit a quick workout, and now it's like, oh, guess what time it is? Jiu Jitsu time. And I'm like, well, you know,


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[Assistant] Because, because what I know is, not training.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, this is, it's not training one day. Might not make a difference.


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[Assistant] But that one day does make a difference. You might not, you might tell yourself it doesn't make a difference, but there's something in there. Every day of training you can get matters. Every day counts. You can't get it back. And if you miss it, you miss it. Especially like right now, where I've been traveling a lot lately, way more than normal.


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[Assistant] So I know, like, I gotta get there. I gotta get my rounds in. Gotta get my rounds in. That's the way it's gotta be. And part of that is my ego. Part of that is my ego saying, look,


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[Assistant] I gotta, you know, I gotta fight, I gotta str- I gotta be- stay on top, I gotta stay on top of the mountain as high as I can, right?


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[Assistant] The young bucks are out there. They're coming after me. Yes. I appreciate that.


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[Assistant] My ego, the positive part of ego is that I do, I do want to win.


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[Assistant] Now that being said, guess who I train with? I train with all the guys that are most likely to beat me. That's what I want, I want to have that happen. So there's a balance, there's a good balance there.


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[Assistant] For sure. Yeah, cause when you start jujitsu, you like, some people, even me, like, oh, you know, I just want to get good enough to like, you know, be able to defend myself.


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[Assistant] Well after 6 months man, you're good. So what am I doing here 25 years later still doing the same damn thing? Because like there's a couple guys that I, you know, I want to keep ahead of or even with or catch, you know, like that's what's driving this. So there's a definite ego thing involved.


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[Assistant] I think where that goes too far, the ego goes too far, this is an obvious answer, is like, oh, I don't really, you know, I'm not going to train with that guy because he might catch me.


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[Assistant] Then now you're not, now you're not progressing. Now you're in this thing that he's talking about, like you're not going to progress because you're not going to train with that person or you're not going to take any risks whatsoever. So you're just going to defend, defend and you're like, Oh, I survived the round and I'm out of here.


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[Assistant] Doesn't matter who they are, they catch you, Jujitsu works, you tap out, you go again. That's the beautiful thing about Jujitsu.


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[Assistant] Cause in life, you're not gonna win every time. You're gonna get caught, you're gonna make mistakes. Someone's gonna capitalize on them. So what are you gonna do? You're gonna give up? And even more important than that, you can lose.


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[Assistant] You can lose. Whatever thing you're trying to do, you can lose. You're trying to start a new business, you can lose. You're trying to get a new job, you can lose.


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[Assistant] You can lose in life, so are you gonna prevent that from even getting, let that prevent you from even getting on the mat in the first place? On even trying to start a new business, even trying to, trying to do something that's outside your comfort zone. That's what this, that's what this is saying, is get outside your comfort zone. Don't sit there. It's not gonna help you.


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[Assistant] I did that to Andy yesterday. What? We did like six rounds and I was like, bro, I need some backup. Cause you know, he's training for events. You know, I'm like, I'm, I'm gonna give, uh, I was like, hey, I called Dr. Luke. I'm like, Dr. Luke, give me some help over here. I need some backup.


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[Assistant] What's interesting, or what the reality is, when I have the time, or when I, not when I have the time, but like...


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[Assistant] I always get my rounds in too. Like, we're doing, if we got two guys that are competing and we're doing, you know, two in one out.


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[Assistant] Like I put them through it and then I go through it too because I want to get my training because I'm trying to get better too.


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[Assistant] Why do you think I do? Because I do this. I do the opposite. When I roll with someone, and I'll be like, hey, you know,


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[Assistant] Like, I'll catch him or whatever, and I'll be like, yeah, you know, hey, if this was MMA, like, let's say I'm going to the MMA fighter and I catch him, I'll be like, hey, you know, if this was MMA, you know, you were on top for a while, you would've been pounding me in the face, that would've been good, you would've won. Or if I'm going against a jiu-jitsu guy and I catch him or something, I'll be like, yeah, you know though, if that was points though, you were up like 8 points, you probably would've beat me, and that was a, that took me 15 minutes to get, so you would've won.


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[Assistant] You know, that's, we could go on this book for a long time. I think that's a good place to, um, reflect and say, look, there's a lot of principles that you can apply, Judo and Jujitsu. There's things that Jujitsu,


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[Assistant] Should, you should take from jujitsu and things that you should take from judo, principles. And if you mix those two together, you get something that's really powerful, not just on the mat, but something that's really powerful to apply to your life. Again, is everything in this series perfect? No.


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[Assistant] Somebody asked me that the other day, I was with a group of, uh, young leaders. And someone, cause I was talking about how it's beneficial to read about history and understand warfare and understand it gives you an insight into human nature and gives you an insight into people, the way people think and all this stuff. And this guy says, hey, do you ever think that


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[Assistant] Maybe what you read was wrong, and if you apply what was you read, you'll actually end up making a mistake.


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[Assistant] Or do you just follow what, you know, history? And I'm like, no, that's the whole reason.


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[Assistant] I go, cause the more you read, the more you understand, the more different angles you see, and I'm questioning every decision I make, I'm questioning all these things all the time, and I'm using all these different information that I have in my head as sounding boards to check off of, like what, at least let me shed some light on it, gather some intelligence. That's what, that's what I'm trying to do.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, question yourself and question these theories. That's what I think- that's one of the best things about-


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[Assistant] It's one of the best things about MMA and Jiu-Jitsu and fighting right now is that it's evolving so fast. And, and, and it's open for it. And if you're not down for that right now, you're gonna be left in the dust. You're gonna be left in the dust. Does this mean that every fancy new move that comes out?


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[Assistant] Keep an open mind with everything that you're doing. You know, that idea of broad mindedness. Sometimes I wish Kena would have had a little bit more broad mindedness. Yeaah. Cause...


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[Assistant] You know, it would have been beneficial. You know, that's one of the sad things about judo is they outlawed the double leg takedown in judo. You can't do it, you can do it after you've done another takedown attempt. So it can be like a follow on.


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[Assistant] That's not cool. And it's the same thing with Jiu Jitsu, right? Where they outlaw certain submissions. Like, uh, the heel hook with Gi Jiu Jitsu. Right? Like, the heel hook is still there. The heel hook itself...


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[Assistant] Is still there in the, in the, the motion of, yeaah. Like it's there, you shouldn't outlaw it, it should be part of it. Cause then you have people ending up in positions where they're not effective fighting positions. They're not. Cause you can get heel hooked and you get your knee torn apart. So why would you outlaw something that's very effective? It's, it's...


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[Assistant] I understand there is some danger in the heel hook. For those of you that don't know, the danger of the heel hook is that it doesn't create pain before it creates injury. It doesn't create a lot of pain.


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[Assistant] So you can feel, you can have a heel hook on you and you can be like, Oh, I can get out of this. And the person starts applying pressure and you're like, Oh, that doesn't really hurt. And then pop your, your, you have to go get surgery now. That's the problem with heel hooks.


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[Assistant] But if you and your training partners understand that and if competitors understood like, Hey, if I get caught here.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna end up in surgery if I don't tap. So that's, if you understand that, then you won't go in these positions that, where you're exposed to a heel hook.


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[Assistant] That's what you should do, not only with jiu-jitsu, but you should do it with life too. Like, understand what really works, don't outlaw things, don't avoid things just because you're not good at them.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I think that might be just tradition.


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[Assistant] But hopefully, you know, they should allow double leg takedowns in judo, they should allow heel hooks in jiu jitsu, in gi jiu jitsu. Now, this doesn't mean if you roll with me, and we're rolling gi, you just slap a heel hook on me, because I won't be expecting that. And I'll be pissed.


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[Assistant] Or that should be part of your training. Yeah. And so congratulations. Well, it is, but yeah, I guess you're right. I need to tighten it up.


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[Assistant] He's, he's busting out a puke. I'll say no, that's not okay.


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[Assistant] The reason I'm saying that, I don't even know if it's okay now. This is like contradictory for me because, but this is the similar thing.


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[Assistant] If you, if you came into the gym, and like, you went for a heel hook on me, we were training gi, and I started punching in the face. Right? Like, you weren't expecting that, but you should be prepared for it. So there is, there is-


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[Assistant] I'm saying there's, there's certain things that are universally, as far as I, I have not been anywhere, and I talk to a lot of people, and I roll a lot of different places, where it's like, you're wearing a geek, you're, it's, you're, you're cleared hot to do heel hooks. I have not seen that anywhere.


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[Assistant] Why? Because those are the recognized sanctioned rules. Just like the recognized sanctioned rules say that if we're grappling, I'm not gonna start punching you in the face.


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[Assistant] They're, in my opinion, they're not allowed because of the propensity or possibility of an injury. People think that there's a high possibility you could get injured there. They're somewhat accurate because it is a different kind of pain. It was a lack of pain. And so there's a little bit of accuracy there.


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[Assistant] Let me ask you this. I have, I have heard like, that people's initial reaction, I think I've heard Dean say this, like, if your reaction is like, oh, that's not good for my game, we'll just outlaw it. So that's what it resulted in.


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[Assistant] Well, and that's what Judo did. Hey, uh, double leg takedowns are not good for Judo against a wrestler. You get someone that's been wrestling for 27 years, and they come into a Judo competition, they hit a double leg, it's not good for the Judo player. Yeah, they're cheating. So guess what? Kind of thing. Yeah, and so guess what? Outlaw.


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[Assistant] Which is a bummer. Right. And so yeaah, I'm not pro outlawing anything.


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[Assistant] I think they should be allowed every time, all the time, everywhere. But, they are not right now, and therefore, in my mentality, is like, okay, because I'm not gonna put myself in a position that a heel hook is available to you unless I know that they're not available.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you could, I guess, make some ad hoc rules before you start rollin', but. Yeah. Or just go with what's universally accepted at this time. Slaps in the face are legal. Sometimes. It's cool. Whatever. Check. Alright. Well, like I said, a lot of stuff to learn from.


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[Assistant] That's one way I could do it. Do I, because one thing that I was thinking about, when I read a quote from a book, people


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[Assistant] Do they kind of think like, well I agree with that? Like I support this? Unless I outwardly just reject it?


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[Assistant] And I kind of did half the book where I was like, well, you know, I don't really talk about that because I see where he's coming from, but that's not really my gig.


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[Assistant] And then, I got to other parts where I was like, I have to talk about the fact that he thinks that this stuff is, you know, this is completely different than what I think, you know? So, yeaah, I guess I try and explain myself as I talk about it. But yeaah, there's definitely some things that I don't agree with. There's some things that I don't agree with about Judo, like,


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[Assistant] You know, there's things that I don't agree with about jiu-jitsu. I think, that's why I think there's a good mixture of the two that would be very powerful. Bring, we need to bring Dave Camerill on. Or, you know, some of these other guys that have grown up in Judo and are savage at jiu-jitsu.


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[Assistant] So anyways, cool. Well, speaking of, you know, getting better in jujitsu and getting better in life. Sure. Any suggestions on how people could get better?


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[Assistant] Isn't it kinda cool to think that when you put on a gi, like there's, that, that, that gi came from a factory in Maine, came from a, from a factory in Maine that was built specifically to make jujitsu gis, and that there's,


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[Assistant] People up there, workers up there, craftsmen up there that are sowing that ghee for you. And then it gets put from Maine into a bag and sent to your house. Isn't that kinda right? It is, yea. It's not like, can a ghee, can a ghee have soul? I'm gonna ask you that question. Can a ghee have soul?


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[Assistant] We don't know the answer to that question. Metaphorically speaking, I guess, yea. But we can make an assessment from the outside. If a gi has soul, then you'd want that soul to come from main.


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[Assistant] 100%. And if geese do indeed have souls, which I tend to believe they do. They could. Then you'd want the good souls. The American souls from Maine. Sure.


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[Assistant] Because people were making stuff that helped you physically, like a pre-workout, and then they were making nootropics that would help you mentally, like your cognition.


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[Assistant] And, well, in my job, especially my old job, guess what I needed? Both. I needed to be mentally sharp, and I needed to be physically sharp. So I wanted everything in the same, like, mix.


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[Assistant] And it feels good. Yeaah. That's what like yesterday I was talking about the rounds I did. Yeaah. Cause I knew I was coming and I was going to pay the man. So I just hit the discipline. Yeaah yeaah. Tastes good too by the way. Yeaah yeaah. Tastes amazingly good. What's interesting about it is cause that's monk fruit. Yeaah. It's monk fruit.


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[Assistant] You know what about monk fruit? No. Monk fruit is the sweetener that's used in discipline. It's like, whatever, 87,000 times sweeter than sugar, but it's just a fruit. So you only need a little tiny bit in there. Low glycemic index. It's low on the glycemic index. Low on the glycemic index. So it doesn't give you the...


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[Assistant] That's good. Oh yea, just so people know, there's caffeine in it. Uh, but there's only 15mg of caffeine, so you're not gonna get jittery, but you get a little, a little microdose. Yea. Of gitsa. A little help. A little, little caffeine helper. But monk fruit also, it like helps in a, it's legit. Yea. Other benefits unknown. Nonetheless, it's called


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[Assistant] Well, you're gonna be really happy that I have this attitude when the, when the protein comes out. Sure. Mint chocolate chip? Yeah, the mint chocolate chip. You know, uhm, just FYI, it's not normal.


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[Assistant] And it's got the monk fruit in it, so that's the sweetener, so it tastes delish. And it doesn't taste like anything else. There's no way that it could taste this good and be what it is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I just made up, I had to make up my own name for it. Yeah? Yeah.


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[Assistant] M-O-L-K, with the umlaut over the O. You know why? Tribute to Motorhead.


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[Assistant] We've got it. We went through the final testing. It's so, uh, it's so, it tastes good. It's easy to digest. All the good things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was going to say that's the thing. That's, you see all kind of like, quote, health foods nowadays. Like, oh, this pro-, you look at the, look at the thing on a protein bar, and then compare the protein bar to a Snickers bar.


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[Assistant] It's like the same content inside of it. So, whatever. Just be careful. That's what's cool about discovering the monk fruit is being able to make stuff taste really good without having the crap artificial sweeteners in it.


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[Assistant] But wait, maybe I should come up with something that just tastes horrible. You just have to gut check to taste it just to test yourself mentally.


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[Assistant] Oh no, we still, we still advocate calisthenics.


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[Assistant] Which I think is- I advocate all kinds of calis- all calisthenics, actually. You can't show me a calisthenic that I don't advocate, even though people like are like, sit-ups are no good, they work your psoas muscles, they don't even work- no, I advocate them too. I like strong psoas muscles, by the way. Yeah, good. Yeah, the thing is, tell me, they were like, oh, that doesn't even work your abs, it works your psoas muscles. I was like, cool, I have strong psoas muscles.


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[Assistant] Jumping jacks, pull ups. I'm sorry, jumping jacks, push ups. You just do jumping jacks and push ups. And you think it's no big deal and then like you're 45 minutes into it and you're like I hate jumping jacks and push ups.


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[Assistant] You're used to doing buds, neck rotations. You used to do that in the teams too. Yeah. You're just laying down. That's like- You're like, okay, I'm just gonna lay down and move my head around. Oh, laying down. Yeah, I never thought- Yeah, you lay down, neck rotations. One, two, three, four. Yeah, do that for 45 minutes. You're like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever done in my life, but I'm glad we're doing it.


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[Assistant] I will be there. Dave Burke is gonna be there. Dave Burke's gonna be there. Big Tim. He's got the bug. Yea. Yea. Get some. I haven't talked to JP and or Leif. See if they're gonna roll up and roll.


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[Assistant] This guy in the team whose name happened to be Nick and we were like new guys and we went on a compass course. The only food that he brought out in the field was, was


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[Assistant] Like, you know like the 12 pack of Snickers? Sure, I assume, yea. He bought like 3 12 packs of Snickers, and that's all he brought for 5 days.


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[Assistant] Maybe it takes a lot to get a soul into a beanie. Yep, yep.


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[Assistant] Up until what podcast? You should figure that out. That's like a layer. Should be the first hundred, but you probably didn't do that. You missed a layer.


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[Assistant] Layers been missed. That's fine. Cause then we could have put another back of the book at 200.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I saw some meme of Homer Simpson saying like, all this guy's future's not looking good.


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[Assistant] No, Amazon, Amazon Music, Google Play, Apple iTunes, whatever you can get. MP3s, that's where you can get it. Also, you can get from Amazon, you can get Jocko White Tea. It tastes really good.


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[Assistant] It does have 15 grams of caffeine, so that's a little microdose. That's why I put 15 grams of caffeine inside the discipline, because that was the dose that I like.


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[Assistant] It has, but, but it's only 15 mg so you don't get jittery. It also has a high level of antioxidants, that's what the pomegranate does. That's why it's pomegranate white tea. And of course, in addition to those things, it is the only white tea that comes with a guaranteed 8,000 pound dent left.


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[Assistant] So that's good. You got that going for you. Uhm, even Jordan Peterson now. He, you know, I got a text from him and he's up to 8,000 pounds on his deadlift. So, cause he was plateaued at 7,000 pounds as he admitted on uh, he doesn't like to admit his weaknesses either, but there it was. 7,000 pounds. Pretty, pretty sad. Brooks?


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[Assistant] No, now he's at 8,000, so good for him. Oh good. Yeah, all it took was a little jacquard tea. Also, we got some books. I got some books. I got a- I got a book called Way of the Warrior Kid. The Principles.


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[Assistant] Of being a warrior and really of being a good human being and they're in there and they are simple and they're clear enough for a 6 year old, a 7 year old, an 8 year old, an 80 year old to understand them. And it gets better because the story continues in the book, Way the Warrior Kid 2, Mark's Mission.


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[Assistant] And this book starts to hit on some other principles in life. Keeping your emotions under control, working hard, being frugal, saving money, and also dealing with Nathan James. Nathan James.


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[Assistant] New bully, psychological bully. Little bit different, Mark wants to fight him.


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[Assistant] Mark figures, hey, I've been training Jujutsu, I'm gonna fight this guy. But instead, Uncle G- Uncle Jake says, no, you can fight him. First you have to gather intelligence on him.


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[Assistant] You have to figure out what's going on with.


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[Assistant] Nathan James. Understand why he's your enemy and see if there's another way to solve this problem besides fighting.


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[Assistant] Turns out to be very good also. Mark has a jiu-jitsu tournament coming up. And guess what? He doesn't want to compete in it. He doesn't want to do his first jiu-jitsu tournament. Why?


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[Assistant] Because he's afraid. He's afraid of losing. He's afraid of failing. Fear of failure. That's bad. So he's got all these problems. How does he overcome them? Well, luckily, Uncle Jake's in the house. Uncle Jake is out for the summertime. Gives him a hand.


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[Assistant] Order, that book is gonna be available April 24th. Same thing with all the other books. Well, the last two books that'll come out.


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[Assistant] It's gonna sell out. The publisher doesn't understand how many books to make. They wanna hedge their bets. So they're just gonna make a certain amount. So, the more people order now, first of all, you'll get it when it comes out. And second of all, they'll know that they need to make more.


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[Assistant] And order it from wherever. Order it from Amazon. Order it from Barnes Noble. But go into your local bookstore.


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[Assistant] This is a mission. Go to your local bookstore and tell them you want the book, Mark's Mission, Way the Warrior Kid 2. Tell them that you want that. That will help spread the word.


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[Assistant] And also while you're helping out warrior kids, check out irishoaksranch.com where you can get soap.


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[Assistant] Made by young Aiden. Who's only 12 years old. He's got his own business. And the soap isn't just any soap, it's good soap. And he actually called it Jocko Soap. And the Jocko Soap motto. That I made up.


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[Assistant] Aiden gets no credit for this. The motto is, stay clean. And someone said there's a layer in that. Stake. Lean.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, also don't forget about the Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual. This is the manual for getting after it. Thoughts and actions that will keep you off the slippery slope. And to keep you on the path.


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[Assistant] The Path of Discipline. And thereby, as the title says, The Path of Freedom. If you want the audio version of that, it's not on Audible. It's an album with tracks. Discipline equals freedom.


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[Assistant] Still on the Amazon bestseller list. Still on Wall Street Journal. Keeping it real.


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[Assistant] And if you want or you need to take it to the next level, Echelon Front is my leadership and management consulting company. The overwhelming factor in the success of any business or team is leadership. That's what it is.


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[Assistant] And at Echelon Front, we come to your company and train and align your leadership so that you work effectively together as a team to dominate your battlefield. It's me.


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[Assistant] You can email info at echelonfront.com or visit the website echelonfront.com. And of course the muster is our leadership seminar. We're only doing two this year, Washington DC, May 17th and 18th in San Francisco, October 17, 18th. The DC muster is two thirds sold out right now.


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[Assistant] Two thirds sold out and it's going to sell out soon. The SF muster is in October and it's already a third sold out.


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[Assistant] So both of them are absolutely going to sell out. We can't expand the spaces anymore. We packed as, as many chairs as they're in there as we can desks. So you, we can't fit any more people. So if you want to come get registered now at extreme ownership.com, the entire echelon front team will be there. All of us, including echo Charles.


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[Assistant] And by the way, there's no green room. We won't be backstage getting our, uhm, getting our scalps massaged.


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[Assistant] We will be out front, we'll be kicking it with you, interacting, answering questions, talking, eating, working out, hanging out, just basically getting after it with you. So come and get it at the muster, get registered as quick as you can. And until we do the muster, if you have questions or comments or answers or you just want to cruise


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[Assistant] Is that Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink and thanks to you all for listening to the podcast, especially those of you in uniform.


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[Assistant] Who took an oath to protect this country and you stand by that oath. Literally.


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[Assistant] Around the world on the front lines and to the police and law enforcement and firefighters and paramedics and all the first responders that are always on call to help us when the chips are down and that are ready to make that sacrifice like so many did.


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[Assistant] On September 11th, thank you for what you do and


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[Assistant] Let's remember and give thanks to the people every day like Jeremy Glick who stood up.


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[Assistant] Along with the other members of Flight 93, they stood up and fought when the time called for it.


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[Assistant] Then let us all be prepared to do the same, to stand up and fight if we need to, to be prepared to face evil by staying on the path, by knowing what your principles are and sticking to them. Be vigilant.


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[Assistant] Pay attention, pay attention to the little things, the little decisions, the decisions that pull you off the path and onto that slippery slope with bad habits that will let you down at the moment of truth.


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[Assistant] For those little decisions. Instead, stay on the path. The path of discipline. The path that leads to security and strength. And of course, to freedom.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 137 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo.


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[Assistant] From Musashi's book of five rings. And it's a solid quote. Makes sense. I believe it to be true.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, while I agree with Musashi, that if you know the way broadly you'll see it in all things, there's a little bit of a problem with that concept. And the problem is, how do you get to know the way broadly? I mean, the way is no easy thing to grasp. You aren't born with it. You don't just wake up with it.


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[Assistant] It's something that you have to learn and it's something that you are always still learning. But even though you have to learn the way


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[Assistant] And recently I've been asked by a couple different people in a couple different scenarios how I learned what I learned.


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[Assistant] How have I learned what I learned? And this is, believe me, no claim that I know a ton of stuff. I don't. As I just said, I am still learning. But I will say,


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[Assistant] Actually, it's more of a collision of a bunch of different things, of course. My time in the SEAL teams. And I do trace.


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[Assistant] A lot of it back to the Seal platoon where we had a little mutiny, we had a bad boss, and we ended up...


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[Assistant] Turning against him and he got fired and replaced.


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[Assistant] By the best boss and, and the juxtaposition and the contrast between really good leadership and really bad leadership made it very clear.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't just that, of course I had other great guys that I worked with in the SEAL teams that taught me a ton, a great instructor cadre that put me through training.


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[Assistant] You know, I realized I always paid close attention to leadership and tactics and I think that's probably because I sought something that I might be able to get good at since


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[Assistant] There was a lot of things that I wasn't naturally good, I wasn't naturally the strongest, I wasn't naturally the fastest.


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[Assistant] And I paid attention to what worked and what didn't from a tactical perspective. And I read.


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[Assistant] Now, I will tell you right now, I did not read a lot by any stretch. Especially compared to how much I read right now. But I read some important books.


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[Assistant] That had a big impact on me. And of course they were only books about war.


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[Assistant] And in those books about war, the things that I actually paid attention to wasn't like the


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[Assistant] I paid attention to the leadership. I paid attention to the tactics. I paid attention to the human nature of how men reacted to war. And so some of those books and again, it wasn't a lot about face.


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[Assistant] With the old breed battle leadership, the last hundred yards, some very straightforward books and books that I covered early on this podcast. And then of course, on top of that, I got lucky with my deployments overseas and I got to experience war from a leadership perspective.


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[Assistant] And one of the things that really helped me see the connections between leadership and tactics and human nature and life in general was jujitsu.


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[Assistant] Jujitsu is a simple, straight forward, practical representation of the way.


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[Assistant] If you think about what jiu jitsu has in it, right? It has offense, it has defense, it has flanking, it has conservation of energy.


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[Assistant] It has deception. It has attack. It has concentration of effort.


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[Assistant] It has position, improving your position, it has maneuvering, it has placing baits, and using feints, and always keeping your base and keeping your balance, while at the same time trying to upset your opponents. Now everything I just said,


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[Assistant] You could use that for combat, for tactical situations. You could also use it in business. You could use it in interactions with other human beings as you


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[Assistant] Maneuver through human nature and how it, you interact with it.


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[Assistant] And there's psychological elements inside of Jujitsu as well that are reflected. Humility. You're gonna get humbled by Jujitsu.


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[Assistant] And, at the same time, dichotomy, you're gonna gain confidence.


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[Assistant] You're gonna know the truth. You're gonna know where you actually stand. You know, it's not, you're gonna get a belt, but that belt, it only represents, it only, it doesn't fully represent,


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[Assistant] The reality of the situation. The reality of the situation is the truth. And in jujitsu, you know the truth.


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[Assistant] And as I trained jiu jitsu and I garnered a better understanding of jiu jitsu, I started to have a better understanding of the way.


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[Assistant] Angles, right? So when you learn the way in different disciplines, you start to see it from different angles and eventually


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[Assistant] And now I do see it in everything. And this is another thing. The more I see it in everything, the more I see it in everything.


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[Assistant] Understanding the way, like I said, a lot of it had to do with this thread, and I talked about it when we, when we talked about Judo, I talked about how Jujitsu was the thing that started, I started to see a connective thread between these, between these different disciplines.


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[Assistant] A lot of it, my understanding of jujitsu helped me in every other aspect. And a lot of my, in fact the vast majority of my understanding of jujitsu comes from one person.


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[Assistant] And the person I was lucky enough to learn from is a pioneer of the sport.


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[Assistant] He's a practitioner that actually revolutionized the sport of jiu-jitsu and grappling and his influence is still evident today. World champion, multiple times over, also a mixed martial arts fighter.


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[Assistant] Who has faced some of the best in the world and some of the biggest arenas in that sport.


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[Assistant] And who's been a close friend of mine that whole time through many ups and downs through victories and defeats through struggles of life on and off the mat Master of jiu-jitsu and


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[Assistant] More important, a friend of mine, my brother, Dean Lister, who is now finally coming on the show. Dean, welcome to the show.


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[Assistant] And, but I actually didn't realize that I know that you were raised somewhat in Panama, but where were you actually born?


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[Assistant] 7th and 8th grade, you lived in Panama, the invasion went down in 89.


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[Assistant] What did they do with the families during that time? So like what did your, I mean your dad, did he have to work?


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[Assistant] And so you were getting scraps down there. Basically. Because you were a gringo.


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[Assistant] And then did you finish out that school year? So that goes down in December.


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[Assistant] We used to go down to Panama to do jungle training. It was awesome, but it was after, I mean, this is in the 90s. So.


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[Assistant] But I, we went in and we'd look around trying to find, you know, where some of these battles took place and, and it was interesting. So then when you, you said, did you finish out that school year?


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[Assistant] Now, when you were down there, did you start, did you start getting interested in martial arts when you were getting picked on? I was doing karate.


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[Assistant] It's a weird thing with kids. Like, you know that it's good that he made you do it, but if he made you do it even more, maybe you would just have hated it.


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[Assistant] So then you, we got to San Diego and now, and you also played football.


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[Assistant] Did you start, did you, you, you are a mutant, uhm, did you start, did you, was that, so you, what grade was it that you wrestled in for one year? Was that like 6th grade or something? Oh, you said you were 8 years old? Okay, so 9 years old maybe. So now your freshman year in high school is the first year that you actually started wrestling.


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[Assistant] So you did that well without that much experience. I don't know why, but for me. Well, I do know why. Cause you're, you know, you just joked about being like, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, I'm a mutant grappler, but you actually literally have.


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[Assistant] Like you were designed to grapple. I'm serious, man. Uh, so yeaah. So, and that's proof right there. Is that you, is that you wrestled, you know, once when you were eight years old, and then you wrestled in freshman year, and then, I mean, there's kids, there's kids that wrestle their whole lives in there, that you're wrestling against.


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[Assistant] So you were like a late, late bloomer. And also you have this natural gift that you hadn't started to hone yet. And once you started to hone it, it just started to make sense.


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[Assistant] I'd say it's sort of like in the middle of wrestling Judo and Jiu Jitsu. Like you gotta put all three of them together. It's like a collage. Cause you wear a jacket. Jacket, shorts. But you wear shorts and shoes. Which is literally a combination of everything.


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[Assistant] So it's important for people to know that there's a key element here in Sambo, is that the foot lock, the straight foot lock and the knee, the straight knee lock was the one, was the two of the three submissions you were allowed to do. Roger. And you were good at them.


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[Assistant] Again, you have some, you have some mutated, uhm, structure that is meant more for grappling than anything. It's very odd. And, and, and, and I remember you told me you would like armlock people in their guard, you'd be in their guard and you would armlock them.


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[Assistant] And so then it was at UFC 1, where you said, oh Jujitsu, what's going on with that?


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[Assistant] And it compounds faster, right? Like, if you watch how fast technology's gotten...


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[Assistant] It has improved. If you watch the jiu-jitsu curve, it's like the new moves. You know, back when we s- when we started, there'd be like a new move.


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[Assistant] So was it, so was it the UFC that when you watched UFC, you were like, I gotta find a jujitsu gym and you opened up the yellow pages or whatever?


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[Assistant] I explain that to businesses a lot, like businesses want to implement a new process, and I'm like you have to tell the people that out of the gate, you're gonna get less efficient. When you implement a new process, you're gonna get less efficient, then once you master the new process, you'll get more efficient. It's the same thing with Jiu Jitsu, you start implementing a new move, you're gonna get worse.


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[Assistant] And then once you master the move where you get good at the move, then you'll start getting better again.


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[Assistant] So we, you and I, I don't know why, but you and I immediately started training together like super hard all the time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I remember, I just remember like almost immediately I was training with you a lot. Maybe it's because we were, I don't know.


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[Assistant] There's, so I don't know if this is, you guys can tell me if this is insecurity or what, but I, like Higgs came to my house,


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[Assistant] And Higgs was now, Higgs had just got his purple belt. And he came to my house and he, well he called me and he's like, hey you wanna trade? He's like, hey you wanna trade? And I was like, yeah? I said, yeah, come on over man. And you know, I was bigger than Higgs.


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[Assistant] And so, again, you tell me if this is insecurity, but I was like, I never want to have another man be able to impose his will on me like that. That is not the way I want to go through life.


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[Assistant] So by the time, so I literally went down to Fabio's the next day and, and signed up and he's like, do you want to try a class? And I was like, no, I just want to sign up unlimited classes, 165 bucks a month here. Take my money train.


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[Assistant] And I remember, oh I remember you couldn't go immediately into the advanced class. You had to just take the beginners class. And I don't know if I talked to him or I told him like, hey I can't get here until later, sometimes, can I just, and he was pretty cool. You know, he just said yeaah. And then,


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[Assistant] And so those times where, you know, I just wanted to learn as much as I possibly, possibly, possibly could. Because I didn't want to be, uh, at the disposal of some other human beings will. It's an awful feeling.


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[Assistant] There's some people that don't like that feeling and so they avoid it completely.


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[Assistant] That's the more common reaction. The more common reaction is, oh, I don't like that situation because I get dominated and I have to submit to another man. Or woman, by the way.


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[Assistant] I have to submit to this other man or woman and I hate that so I'm just never gonna get in this situation. The problem is, as we know in life, you can't always avoid those situations and those situations can present themselves and you can't do anything about it.


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[Assistant] So, so you and I just started training like, maniacs.


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[Assistant] The thing I was thinking about, for some reason, even in the beginning, we did no gi. We would take our gi's off sometimes.


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[Assistant] And for me, luckily, I would teach guys in the teams.


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[Assistant] And I wou- I just would always wear no gi. I would just always wear a t-shirt and cami pants. That was like the standard y- I was like, if you want to train, yea. T-shirt, cami pants, barefoot.


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[Assistant] And so I was almost immediately training Nogi because I was training at the team and I would be training guys even though we weren't highly skilled. But I was at least understanding that there were some nuanced differences because I didn't have the wrestling background that you had.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. So then the other big thing here is, I mean, we were competing a lot back then. We were competing a lot.


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[Assistant] And those old school jujitsu tournaments were freaking awesome back in the day. They were, they were super, uhm, they were crazy. They were crazy jujitsu tournaments back in the day.


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[Assistant] Hundreds of hundreds of people chanting jujitsu and the judo the the armenian guys were but they were actually they were great dudes Yeah, and like it was like the coral Parisian crew. There's all those guys. They were wicked hard fighters They were tough tough as hell


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[Assistant] And they were, and they were, uh, connected to Judo Jean Labelle too. So it was like total respect, but


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[Assistant] To, to tap to a foot lock. Like, you know, like, oh you can't tap to that.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, those don't work almost, you know, that's not technically, you shouldn't tap to that. So guys would just get their foot broken by these, you know, cause again, look at Judo Gene, Gene LaBelle. I mean his, his repertoire of super strong of, of submissions is freaking crazy and brutal.


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[Assistant] And so all those guys were coming in with that whole game plus their whatever sombo background they had and there were some good, good competitions and it was total mayhem. But, so I was thinking like the Machado Invitational, which I think you won that like four or five times you were the champion. Yea, I think four times.


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[Assistant] The Gracie National, you won that a bunch of times. Yea, you were there, that's right. Yea. The Grappler's Quest.


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[Assistant] Back in the day, that's still going too. Yes. Grappler's Quest. Remember the grappling games?


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[Assistant] That was an incredible match because Higgs was kinda getting, you know, Higgs was a lot smaller than him. Well, maybe not a lot, but he was 30 or 40 pounds smaller than him.


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[Assistant] They went at it and then Higgs got him in a triangle. Triangle armlock, yea. Yea, that was nice. And who, yea, you would, didn't you have a guy that like wouldn't give up? Was that you?


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[Assistant] He didn't get me in the head and arm. Uh, you and I, I remember you and I on this, on this like random piece of carpet rolled out in an alley before the fight and we're, and you're, you and me are just drilling because we knew the head and arm was his move and so you're just going head and arm and I'm getting out of it, getting out of it, getting out of it. But he got me in a uhm, was it Gi?


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[Assistant] Actually, you know what was pretty cool. So this is one of my favorite Dean Lester stories. You were going against, again, it was one of these crazy tournaments, total mayhem. And so we're talking, this is like 90, I don't know, 97, 98, something like that.


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[Assistant] Total mayhem, and you would always get, well you'd always be in the finals, or the semi-finals, you know, on your way to the finals, cause you would win every tournament, it was freaking ridiculous.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it was awesome and I would do my best which wouldn't be


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's head touching, but it's like a head slap. You can hear the slaps happening, and you can see this guy's going all crazy. And he goes after Dean, like super hard trying to get a takedown, and they fly across the mat, and he's pushing, and Dean's sprawling boom, and they go way out into the stands.


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[Assistant] And I'm, I'm the side like in his corner. And so I just see the both of them disappear into the crowd.


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[Assistant] And in that time period, right, is when you do the ADCC trials. Actually, we both did ADCC trials in 2003.


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[Assistant] It was 2002, and it was here in San Diego, right? At that like nice health club.


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[Assistant] And, and, and Kenny Florian was there. Kenny Florian was there and he was super cool. And, uh, and I went against, um, big country.


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[Assistant] And uhm, but yeaah, you went and won the absolutes, which is, you know, it's freaking insane that you won the absolutes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, then there was beams up in the top floor. This one we were at City Boxing in downtown San Diego. There was beams and pipes. And like the beams were...


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[Assistant] 14 inches taller than the pipes, uh, that you had to jump. So I'd be like, on the beam, beam, beam, pipe, pipe. When he was getting exhausted, I'd be like, pipe, because it was a little bit lower. But yea, you were in sick shape, and we would just grab. At that time, so, uh, at that time, I was going to college.


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[Assistant] So I, all I had to do, I, I wasn't, I was detached from the SEAL teams from 2000-2003 and all I was doing was going to college and


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[Assistant] All we did was train jujitsu actually, and we would just train and just train more and then just train after.


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[Assistant] You know what, I gotta go back to the, uh, when you won ADCC in Brazil, cause that was freaking amazing.


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[Assistant] Uh, so there's a couple things. Number one, one of the guys that you faced was a guy named Pedro Pano. Pedro Pano, yeaah. And, and...


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[Assistant] I was reading so I couldn't go down because I was in college at the time and it was right in final exams I couldn't I literally could not go down with you and so you were down there by yourself in Brazil in enemy territory. Yeah, and


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[Assistant] You're down there, and so I'm reading, there's something called the, it's the underground, it's the, it's the MM, it's the Mixed Martial Arts dot com, it's the UG, which also has the OG, so it's, it's an old forum, which still exists to this day, it used to be called Submission Fighting, and actually, you and I, when I was on deployment, like way back then,


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, and uh, so I'm reading so what they're doing is someone is Translating like an some kind of automatic turns watch and they're posting what it's saying And so it was like a literal the American


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[Assistant] And so Dean, so I'm reading, remember I'm sitting in the parking lot of, of Home Depot for some reason. And the match is going on and I'm reading, I'm refreshing it on my, uh, phone.


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[Assistant] And it's popping up and it's slow, it's like back in the day, right? Reception's bad. And I'm reading and I remember this thing, it says, it says, the cloth foot has a choke in deep.


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[Assistant] The American must have a tube to his lungs because he is not talented.


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[Assistant] And I was like, Justin! And then you beat him, and uh, man you beat, and then you went on a run, that was a, that was a big deal man.


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[Assistant] And so these guys, I mean Salas like, like you said five times, I mean he's just one of the best, one of the best in history, both of them. Unbelievable Jiu Jitsu players. And then you, and then it was Paytapano. And then in the finals, it was Kakare.


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[Assistant] And when you, getting ready for that, first of all we trained freaking hard, like just crazy. And I remember Sarge,


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[Assistant] I didn't think about it this way, but man, a lot of times when you and I would be training,


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[Assistant] Like when I look back on it, I was like, no one was doing that. You would never see anyone sit there and trade footlocks and heel hooks for 20 minutes. We're actually rolling trying to submit each other, but we're just trading and trading and trading. And that gave you such an advantage when...


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[Assistant] You know, you knew moves, you had techniques that were just, no one even understood the position.


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[Assistant] Now you hear John Donoher talking about it, you know, and I heard John Donoher talking about the fact that, you know, he teaches his guys to get people in a position that the other person isn't comfortable with, right? And that's what you were doing.


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[Assistant] Wait, way back then was, hey, I'm gonna take you to somewhere that you do not understand what's happening and you will be confused and I'm gonna crush you. And on top of that, you know, your natural, like I said, mutant skills and all that. And it just turns into, uh, well I guess it turns into world championship is what it turns into.


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[Assistant] That was pretty awesome. And also at this whole time period, you were also fighting MMA. And you were...


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[Assistant] King of the Cage. Uh, you fought a bunch of fights in King of the Cage. You were the middleweight champion in King of the Cage.


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[Assistant] Pretty, and then that's when King of the Cage was sort of the feeder organization for Pride, which was when Pride was the equivalent of the UFC.


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[Assistant] I don't even think, yeaah, underneath that was just completely unknown things. And you and I got lucky because, uh,


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[Assistant] The living crap out of Nogira for however long. Seven minutes, yea. And then Nogira got him in an unlock.


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[Assistant] Of Japanese drum players. So when this thing kicked off, these guys are surrounding the top of the stadium with kettle drums. It was on fire.


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[Assistant] And then you ended up, you know, obviously since you were the king of the cage champion, you ended up going to pride. You had some sick fights in pride. You fought, uh, well you beat Soji. Yeaah. And he was a, he was like a warrior. Yeaah. And then you had a beast of a fight against Arona.


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[Assistant] And then eventually you get picked up by UFC.


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[Assistant] Out of the fight game for a little bit. It was still training when I was with you, but uhm, you had a bunch of fights in UFC.


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[Assistant] I think it was, I think it was my first deployment to Iraq. For a couple months. And uh. Well then it was, maybe I was just doing no work.


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[Assistant] And here's what sucks for me is so if if both of us are on point


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[Assistant] And, and you weren't done either because you went back in 2011. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And then you did the absolute that year too. Uh. Did right?


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[Assistant] Wait, opa means, it actually means shoulder roll? Or is that just, I thought it was just a noise?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's weird because you had injuries along the way, obviously. But like, you had, how many knee surgeries have you had? Two. And, but those were when you were pretty young, right?


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[Assistant] Double confirmed. What do you do when you, when, like, when you got an injury?


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[Assistant] What's, what's your philosophy around trying to get it healed because people get injured during jiu-jitsu, you know?


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[Assistant] Gi is more technical, but I don't believe that it's more technical. There might be, I guess, no, I was gonna say maybe there's more techniques, but there's not. It's equal. I just think they're equal. And they're equal and technical because to hold someone down with the gi is a lot easier.


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[Assistant] You get someone to cross side with a gi, like, you're gonna hold him down. You get to cross side with someone with no gi, it's a lot harder to hold him down because there's nothing to hold onto.


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[Assistant] And so it makes it harder. That's why I think no gi makes your offense better. Gi makes your defense harder to slip out of things.


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[Assistant] I don't know, we all, everyone I know, we just call them camis. Fatigues.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You know, I was just remembering that when you fought Nate Marquardt in the UFC, that was what bummed me out about that.


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[Assistant] So, so Greg Jackson, who is a really smart strategist,


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[Assistant] And I'm kinda like, you know, your strategist. So it was like my strategy, I'm supposed to be cornering you and telling you what to do strategy wise. And Greg Jackson is on the other side telling Nate what to do strategy wise.


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[Assistant] And after the fight I was, even during the, well, that's what pissed me off was that during the fight, I didn't recognize quickly enough what was happening. And what was happening was, Nate Markhor was just not moving. So all he was doing was waiting for the referee to stand up.


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[Assistant] Expose nothing, cause you know Nate was better on the feet.


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[Assistant] He's awesome at Jiu Jitsu, but he didn't want to play around. Why take the chance, right? The chance is, there's a much higher percentage of him getting submitted than it is of him getting knocked out by you. So he would just literally hold Dean in wait.


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[Assistant] And I got strategically beat by Greg Jackson.


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[Assistant] I love Greg Jackson. I think he's an awesome guy and I've hung out with him. He's a super guy. And, like, it bummed me out that he tactically, he strategically beat me, uhm, with that plan, which was, hey, we're just gonna hold and we're gonna wait for the referee stand up. And it was something that we didn't train for.


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[Assistant] The other thing we had to start training for is someone that runs away from you. Right? Because a lot of guys...


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[Assistant] They would, they would just try and get away from you. That's all they wanted. And, and so that's, that's very difficult to contend with.


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[Assistant] You were meant for that. You were meant for that. Do you, what do you think about when you see all the footlocks that's become such a huge focus of the game, uhm, right now?


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[Assistant] And or the lack of self defense techniques for jiu jitsu. Now what I will say is this, I've been in some self defense classes that you're teaching and you don't focus it on a lot, but occasionally you'll do a self and I act almost every time you teach one of those self defense classes, I pick something up. I learned something.


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[Assistant] That's why I'm laughing. Dean accuses me of being greedy, and he's right. I will get greedy with a move, and I'll hang on to something that I shouldn't hang on to, and I'll end up in a position that I shouldn't be in, and then Dean will immediately start going, Greed, Greed.


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[Assistant] There's no debate. There's no debate. You just got tapped out. You can't lie in a fight. You just got tapped out. Now with some other martial arts, it's like, well, you know, if this was a real fight, I would've done this, that, or if I would've punched him harder, I would've done something else, I would've done something different.


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[Assistant] Jujitsu, you just got, you got put in a position where this dude could have ripped your shoulder apart or put you to sleep and killed you. So, so there's, there's truth in Jujitsu and that's why it's so humbling.


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[Assistant] I've talked about how when you roll with someone you've never rolled with before, you meet someone. And as soon as you make contact with them, as soon as you clinch up with them, you can tell what's up. You can kind of tell.


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[Assistant] Like, okay, this is gonna be, this guy knows what he's doing, this person doesn't really know, or they're okay, or wait a second, I'm not 100% sure, but I'm gonna find out pretty quickly. Remember Sasha?


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[Assistant] That lists the instructors names. The instructors maybe show some of their competitive history. They show their lineage of where they got their black belt from. It's all good. You can't put that stuff on the internet. You can't say I got my black belt from


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[Assistant] Hoyler Gracie, and not, if you didn't, and expect to have, like expect to get away with that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that guy, this is an example of what it used to be like. A guy could show up somewhere.


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[Assistant] Yeah, put a black belt on and be like, yeah, I'm a black belt. I got my black belt in brazil I trained down there for four years and I'm a black belt and I won this and I won that he didn't win anything and he was just a liar


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[Assistant] These days, I'm telling you, if you find a


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[Assistant] If you find a place online, it lists the instructors. The instructor's names are there. You can Google the instructor's names. You can see if they've, every instructor has competed at some point, right? I mean, if someone's, I would say 95% of instructors have done some competition at some point. There may be a few very small percentage of instructors that have never competed.


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[Assistant] I don't even know if that's possible. If you, if you Google your instructor, if your instructor has never competed, I would definitely be suspect.


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[Assistant] So, whereas if he would have just done a double leg and choked the dude out, which is more, kind of more humiliating I think in a way. Yeaah. It's a, where am I? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] That's, that's a good way to do it. Uh, so you find a good school. I always think that proximity is important too. Of course. You know, get something close to your, if you pick a school that's an hour away, you're not going to go as often. Unless you're chocolate time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I always, you know, we always picked schools that were close.


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[Assistant] Of just, look man, guess what? We love jiu-jitsu.


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[Assistant] We love to train jujitsu. We love to teach jujitsu. We love to roll jujitsu. If you...


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[Assistant] Fall into any of those categories, come and train, come and get it. And we don't, you know, that's just kinda our attitude.


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[Assistant] Just like, it's a capitalistic system, in my opinion. It's like, go train where you're gonna get the best training. Evil Capitalists. Yeah, Evil Capitalism. Like, oh, you, you, you, it's not... You train where you get the best training.


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[Assistant] And now there's a level of loyalty, right? I mean you don't just...


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[Assistant] Bail on people that you've trained with for a long time, and there's a level of loyalty, and that's not like some level that you're holding a gun to someone's head. It's like, man, you're...


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[Assistant] You've been training with someone for a long time, you keep training with them and you have a relationship with them, you know? And you don't just throw that out the window because you think someone else is going to teach you a different move or something. It's not, that's not what I'm talking about.


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[Assistant] It is a capitalistic system. So you go train where you're going to get good training and, and that's the way I, that's the way I feel about it.


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[Assistant] Go, like w- it's fine. Cause we know what we do here and...


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[Assistant] Other gyms, it's like yea, right on. Let's, let's, let's train jiu-jitsu is my overall philosophy of all this stuff.


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[Assistant] That's good. For sure. Right on. Any... I think we've been going two hours, man. Anything else, uh...


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[Assistant] And, you know, like, when their foot hit him or something. So we're like, we get a move, and then he like, kneels down. And I was like, okay.


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[Assistant] Chinese water torture with the drips of sweat in my ear.


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[Assistant] It's really jacked up though, it's really jacked up that I'm a grown man.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I train jiu-jitsu on a regular basis. I work out. I eat good food.


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[Assistant] You, Dean Lister, can't get a position on me that I can't get out of. That's not cool man. I don't like that.


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[Assistant] But, uh, but I only have two. So I can only talk smack in two positions. Oh, and sprawl. Yea, and sprawl. Yea. So.


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[Assistant] Well, that's my psyopsis, I try not to show any reaction whatsoever. That's actually funny. Dave Burke was watching- Good Deal Dave? Yea, Good Deal Dave was watching Andy and I roll.


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[Assistant] And he afterwards, he was like, you know, it was cool to watch you roll because first of all, like it didn't even look like anything I've been training, right? Cause you guys are just getting crazy. And he goes,


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[Assistant] And I saw, uh, I saw like emotion, or I saw facial emotions on you. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, you normally just look like...


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[Assistant] The same, all the time. And then when you're training, when I was training, I was training with Andy, and he was like, get some, some, you know, some faces and try to move and all that. And, uh, so yeah, that's one of those things.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Cause you're all normal face the whole time. Yeaah. Even normal face, normal face, normal body. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. And then occasionally you make me scramble a little bit. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. Make me think about something. Cause you can't, that's the thing, you know, you're getting to a point where I can't just allow some little, some little situation to occur.


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[Assistant] Cause I can go to, it's like the, uh, the event horizon.