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[Assistant] They go hey we're gonna take you guys out for the shake off patrol. Then they drive us out in the middle of the desert and then they start dropping us off by pairs and giving us link up points and it ends up being like an all night evolution walking all through the desert and guys like Leif hadn't


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[Assistant] Cleaned his canteens. Other guys just didn't bring water. Bagels.


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[Assistant] Or he'd brought like very little water. And so we end up on this, a little bit of a death march. And...


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[Assistant] This is the story that Leif likes to tell is, he comes up to me and he's like,


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[Assistant] Pickles doesn't have any water, he's, he's starting to feel it. And I'm like, and Leif's, Leif's, uh, when he tells a story I look at him and I'm like, is he gonna die? I'm like, is he gonna die? And he's like,


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[Assistant] No, I was like, well, tell him to remember to bring his own water next time. So that was one example of, you know, a few things that went down that night, but like Leif was out of water. I don't know. What was your status?


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[Assistant] No, no, no one actually went down. No, no. Everyone sucked it up.


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[Assistant] I was in them because it was just getting light and they're like, hey combat conditioning course is next. And I was like, oh cool.


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[Assistant] Good. I was like, cool, let's go. Freaking Combat Conditioning Course.


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[Assistant] Hey, also, so we're out there. Bagels is out of shape.


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[Assistant] And he's like, dude, you could tell, as a new guy, he got done with Buds and SQT, and was like, I just finished Buds and SQT, and I'm gonna freakin' relax for the next 30 days.


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[Assistant] Of Leaf. And that's exactly what he did. And you know, normal- I was thinking about this normally in a normal-


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[Assistant] Like Biggles, having been a wrestler, he probably like, you know, cut weight and he was like, on that 30 days of leave, he was finding some food, man. He was getting in there. He liked to eat, you know what I'm saying? You know, he liked to get, he liked to eat. So, he put on some LBs.


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[Assistant] And the very first trip he shows up on is, is for a desert warfare and he's not in shape.


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[Assistant] And uhm, he was hurtin' on that, and he was hurtin' on the combat conditioning course, and so right out of the gate, it was like, this guy's not in shape. And, he had a cool attitude.


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[Assistant] But basically you got a sign to freakin' square his ass away, right? Yeah. Well, tell me about that.


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[Assistant] That other story that's freakin' classic is freakin' Johnny Kim. Like...


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[Assistant] You guys had just hazed somebody. And it was like real obvious and everything. And so I actually got the platoon chiefs.


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[Assistant] And SEA, and I was like, hey guys, and so I pulled myself like, hey guys, like,


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[Assistant] I get it, but you can't be dumb, like, you can't be doing this shit, like, it's real obvious, like, freaking... freaking keep it under control, boys. And they're like, yeah, I got it, got it.


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[Assistant] And I shit you not, as were Wok, cause John- cause Johnny had been at sniper school, so he showed up late, and this-


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[Assistant] This 20 minute period, I shit you not, the 20 minute period that like I saw this happen and I was like, dude, you guys, so I go, hey, let me talk to you guys, muster them outside. We're out freaking standing by the, whatever that tower is. We're standing there like having a little freaking man on man conversation with the khakis. And then.


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[Assistant] During that 20 minutes, Johnny Kim had showed up at the, at, at Nyland as a new guy, late, you know, now he's late, even though he's at a freakin' school, but you guys are like, you're freakin' late, and I come walking back in, and you guys had taken him like, shaved half of his head, beat him up or whatever, and I come walking in, and I hear someone like, it was actually Chris, Chris is like,


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[Assistant] I'm like, what is going on? That's just a weird thing to hear, you know. Cause everybody calls me Jocko and now I hear like me being referred to as The Commander. He's like, go report to the Commander. And I look over and hear, here's freaking Johnny.


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[Assistant] Hey bro, how's it going? And he's like, Sir, I'm Petty Officer Kim, I just got here from sniper school, I'm honored to be a part of this, and I was like,


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[Assistant] Cool, bro. It's awesome to meet you, man. I look forward to working with you. And then just like walked around, I was like, God, I got some freaking out of control knuckleheads. Uhm, which is...


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[Assistant] Kinda what you want. Uhm, so that was all good. All good. Yea, good times. But there was some old school bonding going on. Did I say hazing or did I say bonding rituals?


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[Assistant] Uh, going on. So, we get done with that. We freaking gen- uhm, I think we did-


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[Assistant] We went out to the desert for vehicles next, uhm, mobility. Then we go to CQC.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and this is when we were still doing CQC out at a civilian place. So that was awesome training.


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[Assistant] We really had an awesome work up going to Mount was also at


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[Assistant] An army base. So we had a big facility to use out there. And, and this whole time we're having good times as well. Uhm, both on and off the training areas. This is a good crew.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I mean you throw Tony into the mix and like that's just a diff- you know Tony's a freaking animal, right? And I mean by that I mean like he's an- he's like part human but part animal. Like you wanna talk about needing water in the desert? Doesn't drink water. No.


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[Assistant] You know, well, I'd like to see him do that. And then he does it. Then you realize like, oh, he'll do this. And that freaking, that type of thing, when you, in the SEAL teams, when you have somebody, and there's always someone like this, that's into whatever they're into.


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[Assistant] The breaching is on the backs of like a handful of guys that were just super into breaching and just took it to the next level. The snipers, like there's guys that just, you know, from generation to generation, like someone turns over that school, that train, that block of training is just like,


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[Assistant] Someone goes in there and takes it over, it's like they love it, and they want it to be the best training. And AWs, and comms guys, and everybody, you get these people in the teams that, that create the school or the training for people that just takes it to the next level. Like, the AW course is a classic example. The AW course,


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[Assistant] Could be like a 2 hour session, maybe a 4 hour session. You'd be pretty good. You know, you'd be pretty good after 4 hours of good drills with a, with a heavy machine gun. You'd be like, okay cool, like we're pretty good at this. And most communities would be like, okay cool. Yea, we've really trained our automatic weapons gunners to a high level.


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[Assistant] But when you see what the AW course is like, you think, oh, these guys are literally ready for anything that can happen with an AW.


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[Assistant] It's freakin' awesome. And that's what you end up with. You end up with badass people that have been trained to the nth degree and they're gonna be able to crush in any situation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so he and I grew up at team one together, so we knew each other so, but we had never been in a platoon together. But, like, when I was coming to team three,


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[Assistant] And I saw that he was one of the platoon chiefs and same thing, like we were both like so freaking stoked. Cause I knew, you know, his reputation as a


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[Assistant] Frogman was awesome, you know, and his reputation as like, beating people up and all that, he had that too. But I knew like, hey cool, we can, you can contend with that, like, you can contend with like, hey dude,


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[Assistant] That was one of the things that was so professional, I'll never forget this. I'm out there, we're at, we're doing uhm, we're doing mobility. So we're out there at an island with the vehicles. And we're supposed to be setting up like a little mini-op or something. And I'm just standing there.


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[Assistant] Tony's like, hey, and he's talking to Leif, and he's like, hey, what we should do is put vehicles here, put vehicle here, send the guys over here, boom, set it up like this. And, uh, Leif's like, yeah, cool. And...


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[Assistant] He says, and Leif says, hey, why don't you go ahead and, you know, tell the platoon. And Tony's like, no, you go ahead and tell them it would be better coming from you. And just to have that, that humility for him, he, you know, this was early in the workup, he wants Leif to get that,


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[Assistant] Uh, rapport with you guys to be like, oh yea, Leif knows what he's, he's wanting to build up his boss. And there's so many times where people's ego's like,


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[Assistant] LT, you go ahead and stand down, I'll brief. Like he just didn't play any of that. So he's hard and tough as hell and an awesome operator, but he also like really truly understood the dynamics of leadership and the dynamics of a freaking seal platoon, which was


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[Assistant] You mentioned something before we hit record about when we were at Mount and like, I was encouraging you somehow to, what was it, an off school course that we were doing? A Mount off school course? What went down? Tell me what went down.


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[Assistant] We went on a PDSS, so like a pre-deployment site survey to Baghdad and met up with the


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[Assistant] The special operations guys, it was Seals and Green Berets that we were gonna go and replace and we're gonna be working with this Iraqi counter-terror force and very


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[Assistant] Let's say, uh, a very cookie cutter kind of deployment was set up for us, like everything's in place, the guys have been trained, the operations are kind of steady and flowing, and it looked like it was gonna be just a really good, solid deployment. And that's what was happening.


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[Assistant] And so I went over there on pre-deployment, all good, like high five with the guys, yea, we'll see you guys in a few weeks. Come back. When I came back, they had done, for whatever reasons, well I know the reason, they wanted to unify


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[Assistant] The entire western part of Iraq under one special operations leader. They chose our leader at SEAL Team 3 to be that guy.


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[Assistant] And now the opportunity for him was to unify his whole team underneath him in western Iraq in Al Anbar province. And they ended up coming up, he, he, I got called in.


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[Assistant] And you guys were on leave. And he's like, hey, there's a chance for you guys to go to Ramadi if that makes sense to you. And I was like, cause I knew what was going on in Ramadi. Ramadi was total mayhem at the time. And I was like, yea, well that makes perfect sense to me. And that's what we ended up doing. Now, did you


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[Assistant] Did you guys, did we, we, I don't even think we had a capability of getting that word to you while you guys were on pre-deployment leave.


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[Assistant] That was almost like, uh, what's that expression? That was like, two birds in the hand is worth one in the bush. It seemed like that was a real obvious, like, hey, this is, we're gonna go there, we're gonna do this type of mission, it's already going on, like, there's no drama, we could just go and do that. I looked at, what are you laughing at? I go to Charles.


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[Assistant] Okay, do you my body do you know what I'm saying is going to Baghdad was like, oh, this is a good deal It's already like two two birds right here right in our hands. We have this real nice Kind of easy mission


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[Assistant] Simple, straight forward operations in Baghdad. Great op tempo.


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[Assistant] Or, we're going to this wild west area which was really bad at the time. And the task unit that we were going to be taking over for,


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[Assistant] They were conducting operations, but it was like really hard for them to get operations approved. They, they were getting out of the wire sometimes, but it was kind of tricky for them to get out and


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[Assistant] It's definitely like, some guys were like, damn, it seems like we are taking a risk by going to do this other stuff in Ramadi when we could have just kind of a nice silver platter with cool ops in Baghdad. I looked at it like, hey,


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[Assistant] You guys all came back and uhm, we went on deployment. You remember getting there?


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[Assistant] I think it was your guys, so I went early with like Tony and like a few guys like there were some of us went early and Then you guys showed up like four or five days later Something like that. But yeah, we got like a


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[Assistant] There was some assault on the camp, and so we end up with the entire task unit, including tax, just up there on the roof, just laying wastes across the river.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I, I just knew, so when I got there, got on the ground, I realized, you know, some, some, I went and talked to, there was a guy from, uhm,


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[Assistant] Special Operations Command who was a friend of mine that was there at the time and he kind of briefed me what was going on.


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[Assistant] His intel officer had been my intel officer when I was at SEAL Team 7. So I knew her well and she told me what was going on. And then I kind of obviously turned over with the task unit.


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[Assistant] That was there before us. Got a feeling for what was going on and then talking to the conventional. So I basically figured out like what we could do that I thought would be very beneficial


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[Assistant] For a while, for a few days we were, for probably like 5-6 days we were actually working for the


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[Assistant] CEO of SEAL Team 1. So the CEO of SEAL Team 3 hadn't taken over yet. So there was like 5 days or 6 days where we were working for the CEO of SEAL Team 1. Who I kinda knew. And...


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[Assistant] What we tried to do is do as many missions as we could in the first five, six days, so that we developed a precedent of like, hey, we're gonna be working a lot, and that's exactly what we did. Uhm, Leif tells a story about the first op that he ran, which I'm sure you were on as a DA and like, right outside in Tamim, and


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[Assistant] Leif was like stressed, like there was paperwork due and there was this due and he was like, you know, he kinda came to me like, dude, we should just like roll this and I was like, bro, you got this. This is like a literal no-brainer. Your platoon knows what to do, you know what to do, just go knock it out and he was like,


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[Assistant] Roger that. And guys went and knocked it out. It was no factor. He came back and he's like, you're right, dude, like we're ready. And we just did that as much as we could for the next few days. And almost immediately also started doing sniper overwatch positions. The, one of the best things that happened was


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[Assistant] Tony took a crew out, up in a firecracker, I don't know if you were on this or not, but he took a little sniper Overwatch team up in a firecracker, and I was, this was so early.


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[Assistant] I was meeting the brigade commander for the first time and when I walked into the talk, they, Tony's,


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[Assistant] Brigade Commander Colonel Gronski is hearing this radio traffic that the SEALs just got here and they just killed an IED emplacer which was right where these, we, we lost these Marines. He looked at me and was like, we need you to go to Eastern Ramadi. And I was like, Roger that sir. And boom, like that's kind of, all these little elements kind of got the ball rolling really well. Uhm, and on top of that, like,


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[Assistant] Going to memorial services right out of the gate for army guys and marines, that's like one of the first things we did and that was a real eye-opener as well, I think for everybody.


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[Assistant] A great example, so we ended up doing these sniper overwatch positions all over, and when you think about it, how many, how many urban sniper overwatches did we do during workup? The answer is zero. So, I was actually talking to a guy the other night,


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[Assistant] And, you know, we were talking about workup and he's currently going through workup and I was talking to him and he was sort of like saying,


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[Assistant] Well hey, we know we've got this thing going on in the world, we got this thing going on in the world, we got this thing going on in the world, it's kinda hard to tell which one to actually prepare for.


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[Assistant] And I was talking about, I talked, I told this to a few other guys as well, uhm,


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[Assistant] What workup does is it puts you in really challenging situations that you learn to figure out. And if you can take your Mark 48 and get it waterproofed and swim across the beach at San Clemente Island and go live fire, hit a target somewhere, and then get back in the water and swim back out to a boat.


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[Assistant] Sure, you train to do Overwatches, or uhm, or you train to do SR, and yes you train to do DAs, but what you train to do is you train to think.


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[Assistant] You train to adapt. You train to learn. That's actually what the workup is, is getting people to learn.


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[Assistant] How to adapt. How to see patterns. How to recognize where they can improve. And that's what workup is. And that's actually what seals, like even buds. Buds is like mayhem. How, it's, how do you deal with mayhem? How can we take this freaking total chaos of hell week and get a head count?


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[Assistant] How do we do that? And that's what carries through and that's what we, that's what we're good at. We're good at looking at a shit sandwich and being like, okay, we need to turn this into an operation that we have control over.


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[Assistant] Yep. Yeah, even when we were out of the water for a while, meaning like NSW in general.


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[Assistant] You know, in the work ups, they, we started doing less and less diving and less and less mar ops.


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[Assistant] And people would talk to me about it, be like, you know, we're not even getting the water. I was like, hey man, if we need to get back in the water, we'll get back in the water. We'll figure it out. I'll take- I went through that cycle.


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[Assistant] You know, it's like, oh, we haven't done OTB in a while. Cool. How do you rig the boats? And you'll go screw it up. And then you're like, Hey, we need to put one inch tubular nylon around this. And oh yeah. And we need to make sure we prep the motor like this. Oh yeah. Cool. Hey, we need to make sure that the chemlights IR chemlights are right. So you just relearn it, but because you have an open mind and cause you've learned how to adapt, that's what makes it work.


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[Assistant] And that's really exactly what we did when we got to Ramadi. We were doing operations that we had to figure out.


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[Assistant] We were doing, uh, interact interoperability with Marines and with Army that we hadn't done.


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[Assistant] We were using vehicles that we hadn't used. Bradley's tanks. We were using air support that we hadn't used. Apache. Like, there's a whole bunch of things that we just had to go, okay, how are we gonna work this? We couldn't be like, hey, we know how to do this. We've never done this before. What do you think? Give us your opinion. How would you execute this mission, army guy or marine guy? Like, those army guys have been there for four months, six months, ten months.


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[Assistant] Marines have been there for 3 months, 4 months, 5 months at that time. Like hey, how do you guys think of this? What do you guys think of this? Learn from them and then go, oh, what about this? And that's really what it was, was like an exercise in adaptability.


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[Assistant] The other thing that was interesting is, we show, you know, we do this whole workup as a...


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[Assistant] Complete task unit. We get to Ramadi and we split up into five separate elements.


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[Assistant] Bunch of different, you know, little five, six man elements are now running things. And people like you, you were in your third platoon, you end up as like the assault chief for the special mission unit of the Iraqis as a combat advisor. Which is a huge freaking responsibility.


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[Assistant] Yeah, structurally you didn't, but experience wise and level headedness and performance and leadership capability, you were definitely ready to rock and roll, obviously.


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[Assistant] You were, uhm, you threw out a lot of Rambo quotes. It's kinda your thing.


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[Assistant] You were uh, we did a hostage rescue.


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[Assistant] We did, yeaah. And you, what were you the, were you the assault lead on that one?


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[Assistant] We didn't want to just hit the target cold. We wanted to get eyes on beyond we, you know, we obviously we try to get aircraft, but we wanted to get our.


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[Assistant] That was something I was always into. I was always into like whatever we could, whatever I could do with us. Organic. Organic I wanted to do and so in this particular one there was a building.


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[Assistant] Which we weren't supposed to go into, by the way. But there was a building that was like perfect overwatch to look at the target area.


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[Assistant] Is that like a university or something? It was in the university. So there was this, there was an area called the Alambar University that we weren't supposed to go into and


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[Assistant] Uh, machine gun or somewhere there. So that's why that little split took place now that, now that you're bringing it up.


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[Assistant] Get the target, target secure. And then, like, Leif's calling me, like, Jocko Leif, and I'm like, go. And he's like, jackpot.


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[Assistant] Meaning we just got the hostage. And at this point, man, I mean, this was, you're always suspect of intel anyways, but I was like,


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[Assistant] I think I was like, jackpot? He's a jackpot. I was like, Roger that. Freaking hell, hell yeaah. Let's go. And sure enough, like you said, we got the, it was like a 15 or 16 year old kid that had been kidnapped from Fallujah and then taken into this safe house, enemy safe house in Ramadi. And so yeaah, that was a, that was pretty good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I want to say he was like the provincial police chief's son or something like this. He was, his parents were some kind of, uhm, some kind of political official and that's why they took him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and if he would have spoken English, he may have been impressed with that line. But also interestingly, they pointed this out to me, a couple years later, the people that we captured went on trial.


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[Assistant] And they had to have testimony from the assault team that captured them. And so.


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[Assistant] The assault, the people that were testified.


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[Assistant] Was you and Leif and you and Leif, obviously you couldn't use your real names because then the enemy might, you know, find out who you are. So you guys testified via VTC a couple years later as Lieutenant Ray Tango and Petty Officer 2nd Class Gabriel Cash. Tango and Cash. Echo Charles, did you say that?


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[Assistant] Gotta get him back. Uh, but the op tempo there, clearly, I mean it was really high. We almost, you know, we had guys in the field all the time. Uhm, you and your team and the other elements. We just had guys going out all the time. Obviously the fighting was really heavy. Uh,


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[Assistant] We talk about, like when I got back and I was talking to one of the prior enlisted captain over at WarCom who is a machine gunner, SEAL machine gunner in Vietnam.


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[Assistant] And I'm kind of debriefing with him and you know, for us, we always held the, we always thought the guys in Vietnam were just like, constant combat. And I was talking to him and he said, you know, I was like, well, like how many, when you were deployed, like how many gunfights did you get in?


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[Assistant] And he was like, I forget the exact numbers, but he was like, six. And I was like, okay, and I mean...


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[Assistant] That was like three days in Ramadi. And uhm, and I was like, oh did you,


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[Assistant] How often did you run out of ammo? And he's like, I never ran out of ammo.


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[Assistant] I was like, oh, and we had guys go Winchester on the Pigs. A decent amount, like, not a regular occurrence, but more often than you'd think.


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[Assistant] You end up that, that, uh, citation that I read in the beginning was, you got, you got hit in the leg with shrapnel. Uhm, you end up getting medevacked.


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[Assistant] Uh, that was Tony's birthday by the way. Yes. BTF Tony's happy birthday was big gunfight. That's prob- I guarantee that's the best birthday Tony's ever had.


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[Assistant] It didn't look bad. Like, I remember looking at your knee and I was like, it doesn't look too bad. But it was not good. Uhm, it was worse than it looked I should say. So you end up getting medevacked and sent to Germany. I got an email here. Oh shit.


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[Assistant] Sunday, July 23rd, 2006. Leif. Hey man, I talked to Jocko yesterday, gave him the lowdown. I'll repeat myself as usual for you, sir.


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[Assistant] They were unable to find that tiny fucker with the orthoscopy. Orthoscopy. Apparently the shrapnel was on E&E from the scope, so naturally they ripped open the rest of the knee, set up an L ambush, and eventually found the little son of a bitch. It was pretty not good.


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[Assistant] Sounds like it's gonna be a little more recovery time than anticipated. I've talked to the docs here and my basic plan is to hang out here for a few more days, then go to unit two for a few weeks to a month.


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[Assistant] Or however long it takes to be good enough to walk around and then get flown back to you guys. I don't know if I'll be good enough to op with you guys, but at the very least I'd like to come back and help out any way I can, even if that means being a talk bitch.


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[Assistant] I'm figuring I'll know a little bit more in the next couple weeks. Well, just know on the bright side, I'm in a hospital bed sweating my ass off, being bit by mosquitoes, constipated, and I'm pissing on myself on a regular basis and luckily they are underfeeding me with shitty food as well.


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[Assistant] Now I think I'll go back and lie about my pain so I can get a morphine Percocet cocktail, relax, and itch my full body rash. Hate, hate, hate, Bob.


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[Assistant] Today is Wednesday and we will be on a flight with Mark out of Philadelphia to San Diego. We will get back at about eight o'clock tonight and transfer him to Greenwood Mortuary.


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[Assistant] Sorry about the lack of updates. Connectivity has been bad and we've been on the road a lot trying to get down to see Ryan in Bethesda.


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[Assistant] I will call, I will try to call when I can to get through and talk to you guys about what I know. Ryan is getting better bit by bit. He's sitting up. He knows where he is.


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[Assistant] His girlfriend Kelly has been by his side pretty much non-stop and his family has been there for him too. Every admiral in spec war is coming to see him.


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[Assistant] When dauberbiff and I went to see him, we managed to make him laugh a bit.


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[Assistant] And he gave us a good TU bruiser fist pound. His spirits are up, generally speaking. His left eye is a huge question.


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[Assistant] They ask us every time we are there if he could see out of it right after he got shot and I can't really answer.


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[Assistant] That question. I know the doctors are anxious to talk to Johnny Kim.


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[Assistant] The bottom line is that sometimes he can see light when they flash it into his left eyelid, and other times, not.


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[Assistant] The current prognosis is not narrow. He may have all, none, or partial vision in his left eye and is going to be crucial in these next few days to find out for his sake.


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[Assistant] Mark still doesn't know about his right eye, and he still doesn't know about Mark. Just yesterday he found out he wasn't still in Iraq.


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[Assistant] His dad is going to take the burden and tell him all these things as soon as he isn't so heavily sedated and they are hoping to tell him that his left eye is okay.


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[Assistant] And his dad has already been asking us if there will be a place for Ryan in Spec War if he only has the use of one eye. One of the captains from WarCom


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[Assistant] Here, told him absolutely they will find something.


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[Assistant] Hopefully that will help ease the burden when he hears all the bad news at the same time.


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[Assistant] As much as you can imagine, or as, as you can imagine, the family is pretty upset, but they are grateful for all the support. There's a guy here, Chris, from Group 2 Medical. He is a frogman who has been by their side throughout.


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[Assistant] He has a pretty good point of contact for you guys if you want the no shit situation.


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[Assistant] He is also going to escort Mrs. Job out to Mark's funeral. He is great and has really been taking care of Ryan's family.


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[Assistant] That is about it for, for what we know. As for Mark, you guys know about as much as we do. The memorial will, and all will be on Saturday. Good to hear the updated version of the video Nick made was sent. We have a ton of Mark's pictures already, and we'll put something together for the family.


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[Assistant] We are flying out of, out at five east coast time and get to San Diego at eight. We'll make sure to get picks and whatever is handed out at the funeral for all of you guys. Bye.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, it's uhm, it's really strange.


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[Assistant] That, like these emails, I mean, they just get saved. You know, these are, these are like civilian emails that, you know, you are


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[Assistant] Going back and forth with Leif and like, I have, I have emails that I sent to my wife and it's very interesting because they're all like, they don't say anything. Like I know everything that's going on and I'm like, hey, how are you? And it's very strange to see it.


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[Assistant] So you ended up flying home with Mark. Did you fly home with Mark?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, cause we sent home three guys? We sent three guys home? I think we sent three guys home.


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[Assistant] And then, like, you know, going to the service, that just had to be.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well it's a representation, like, when Cowie got wounded, he, he was like, in Charlie Med, telling me, like, please let me stay. Freakin' bagels. Blind.


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[Assistant] Talking to him, like, uh, can I come back? And, you know, you were in a situation where you could come back and you did, you know, which is freaking outstanding. Uhm, and, you know, I remember there was definitely resistance. There was definitely resistance from, like,


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[Assistant] And probably for the right reasons. I get it. You know, NSW trying to take care of the force and everything like that. But man, it was freaking good when you came back. I mean, it was freaking good for everything.


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[Assistant] Back to work. That was it, man. And that was, uhm.


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[Assistant] What we owed to those guys, and it's what we do, man. We're frogmen.


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[Assistant] And then, I mean, obviously, you know, we, we weren't done losing guys yet, um, cause we had, we had Mikey get killed, uh, which was another nightmare.


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[Assistant] And you know, we, we had a lot of guys get wounded too. You know, I guess Cali being the worst of the guys that got wounded.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a lot of guys got fragged, a lot of guys got, you know, took a hit here, uhm, pretty much.


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[Assistant] You and Cowie were the only ones that had to leave, right? Anyone else?


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[Assistant] Other than, obviously, when, when Mikey died, you know, Mike, Doug, they, they were, they were jacked up and they got Cas of Act. It was the end of deployment, so.


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[Assistant] You know, it's like, uh. Kind of their, their redeployment. It was almost their, it was maybe a few days early. Uhm, and so.


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[Assistant] Um, pre-buds, fourth phase, whatever the initial guys are showing up there.


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[Assistant] I kinda like, would like to go and work at Buds right now, just to kinda see what it's like, but it was always kinda like, oh no, I'm in the teams dude, I'm not gonna go back to Buds, why would I do that? But, I think you'd learn a lot and, or just not even learn a lot, but, or yes learn a lot, but also just interesting to see. Like I was talking to Andy Stumpf,


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[Assistant] And he was talking about, like, he was in second phase and did pool comp. And he has, like, all these little things that he can tell you about. Oh, when he'd see a guy's, like, hands do a certain position, he's like, oh, this guy's about to go. Like, he's about to bolt to the surface. Oh, if he doesn't bolt to the surface, his hands do that and he doesn't bolt to the surface, oh, that means he's about to, like, freakin'...


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[Assistant] Pass out or he just had all this knowledge about like watching people in really stressful situations and how they react. And it's just, I mean, you must have seen that in hell week. You're like, Oh, this guy's about to break and you can decide like, well, if I say this to him, probably going to get to the next evolution. If I say that to him, he's brought to ring the bell.


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[Assistant] And people say like, huh, my, my son's going to Bud's. Do you have any advice for him? Or like, I'm going to Bud's. Do you have any advice for him? I was like, yeah, don't quit. That's the freaking advice, don't quit. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Train, train, prepare yourself and don't quit. Yea, don't quit.


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[Assistant] That's friggin' ridiculous. I mean, yeah, that's just awesome.


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[Assistant] Doing a, doing a deployment with your, the LPO and your, your best friends, the freaking platoon chief.


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[Assistant] It's freakin' impressive. Uhm, and now you guys are just kicking ass because normally there's like this whole period the platoon has to go through where everyone's gotta get to know each other. The leadership's gotta learn to work together and they're having their little ego, but you guys just roll right in 100%. Not to mention all your SOPs are like, hey, this is what we're doing, this is how we're doing it. That must have been ridiculous.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That's a nice place to play. I mean, I guess, right?


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[Assistant] I'm not a golfer, but it seems like a nice place to play. You're in Coronado.


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[Assistant] So, you got your little, uh, introduction to golf. How, like, did you get, did you go out and buy clubs and stuff?


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[Assistant] Dude, yeaah, golf is a thing. It's something I never talk- Golf is a thing in the teams. For, like, certain team guys, they just- Look, there's team guys that are in archery, there's team guys that are in jujitsu, there's team guys that are into, uh, skydiving, there's team guys that are into golf.


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[Assistant] And a, and motorcycles, like there's little clicks of guys, but golf is absolutely on the list. Actually, I got a friend that was, uh,


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[Assistant] Older guy. Not quite a Vietnam guy, but like a little bit after Vietnam.


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[Assistant] He tells this story, his, his wife, uhm, like whatever, after 13 years or something, she, he comes home from work and like his shit is sitting outside the yard and she says, I hate the teams, I hate golf and I hate you.


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[Assistant] That was it, bro, getting divorced. But that's like a team guy thing, right? Like, oh, what do you care about? The teams? And then golf. And for me, it's like, oh, the teams in Jiu Jitsu. And some guys like the teams and motorcycles. So they put all their money into motorcycles or golf or whatever. And that's what they're doing all the time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's, but, but golf is definitely one of the things. Like there's guys that surf in the teams. What else? What other little hobbies? Surfing.


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[Assistant] Jiu jitsu, these are mine. Jumping. Golf is in there, man. For some reason, golf is in there. But like spearfishing.


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[Assistant] Uh, that deployment, you go to Iraq? I did, yea. This is now, this is now like 2010, 2011, 2012. 11. 2011, you're going on deployment.


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[Assistant] On that deployment, like you personally, you and Jeremy personally like left Iraq and went somewhere else.


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[Assistant] Mission accomplished. Shuuuck. Well, did you do anything good on that deployment or was everything kind of like winding down?


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[Assistant] And then you roll right into another deployment. Did you make chief during that deployment?


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[Assistant] I was uhm, talking to a guy that was in that platoon. And uh, apparently you guys got a lot of uhm, Arnold on.


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[Assistant] A lot of pumping iron and a lot of predator. So you just kept the, you kept the theme going. The action theme going through the whole, through your whole career.


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[Assistant] Apparently you, uh, and I tried to get a hold of this, your Charlie Platoon manifesto.


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[Assistant] Which, I'm sure we'll ge- I'll get ahold of it at some point, somebody will have a copy of it. But, laying out, hey, this is what a frogman is, this is what's expected of you guys, uh, from what I understand that left a big mark on the boys that you- that worked for you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like they, uhm, I know you made a patch for that. What was your patch that you made for the team one? What was it?


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[Assistant] I forgot to do the whole Elvis thing, like in tasking a bruiser, we had, you guys got the freaking car, cause you're an Elvis fan, you got this freaking cardboard caught out, it was in the, it was in the, like, our, our planning area, in Ramadi, a freaking cardboard caught out of Elvis.


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[Assistant] And you guys hit Graceland in workup too. You probably did that every time.


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[Assistant] Fired up. Is that when you guys got the, is that when you got the, the cardboard cutout?


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[Assistant] Check. So you got this, this manifesto going on, uhm, and now this is like 2012. You said this is when your dad died, right? 2012.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just, just a freaking nightmare.


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[Assistant] A broken bone sometimes would be better. It's like just freakin' break the bone. The weird like muscular, freakin' soft tissue shit. Yeah. That stuff. And like


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[Assistant] If you talk to your buddy and you're like, oh yea I have a broken vertebrae. They're like, oh okay cool, like I get it, like you can, we accept your excuse.


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[Assistant] And, and then like you who'd like, obviously did multiple deployments with him and, uhm,


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[Assistant] Man, it was like, what was your perspective when you saw like the world watching Chris and reacting and like, I didn't know this but, uh,


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[Assistant] I think American Sniper is the most popular military movie of all time. Like, Beats, Saving Private Ryan, Beats, Platoon, like, it's the most popular, I don't know, maybe Top Gun has got it now, but, like, what did it look like for you?


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[Assistant] Didn't didn't we we all I don't know if you were at this they had like a screening of the movie in Coronado for us and We all went to it and it was really like weird


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[Assistant] Did you hear that? He probably knew. I mean, he got shot in the helmet. Like yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and then, I mean obviously Biggles, when, when Biggles died, which, again, it was like,


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[Assistant] What was hard about those guys was like, we were home, you know? And like, we all think, oh yeaah, like, like you said. It's not supposed to happen? Yeaah, it's not supposed to happen. And uhm.


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[Assistant] Freaking just terrible. And, you know, the, the, the movie, I remember we went to see the movie and you're just like, well, you don't really know what to expect. And it's just kind of overwhelming to see this movie and just, and you know, like you, like you pointed out, what I've come to realize, what you pointed out is like, they had to take a guy's life, his whole life.


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[Assistant] Uhm, four deployments, four combat deployments, his wife and family, his growing up family, his mom, they had to take that whole thing and put it into an hour and a half.


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[Assistant] Like, that's, that's, that's an impossible task. And so you gotta kinda look at it from a different frame of mind. And I think what it did do is it did a great job of showing, you know, what the stress is on the family, what, you know, Taya's wife had been through as kids and like the fact that you said, you know, like he was


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[Assistant] You know, it's not just Chris' story, it's the story of so many guys that went on deployment and their families that had to deal with that and the aftermath. So uhm.


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[Assistant] The only, the other thing that always kinda bums me out is like, Chris being such a freaking wise ass, and being so funny, and being like, just,


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[Assistant] They just didn't capture that. Kind of at all. Like, they didn't really show like, dude, this guy was funny as hell. Like, would be harassing people, making jokes, practically the whole nine yards.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and a cackling, aggressive laugh that like if somebody did something and he was laughing, it was like little darts were hitting, you know, you could just, you hear that cackling freaking laugh.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then that deployment as a platoon chief, you guys deploy kind of a standard, uh, doing exercises and stuff overseas. Uhm, it wasn't a combat deployment. This is probably the, maybe around the low point of combat for the teams.


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[Assistant] I guess. Depends on where you are. But for you it was. Yeaah. That was your first non-combat deployment.


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[Assistant] No, I know. No, Beth, you are at the top of our story, but we had to cover some other things.


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[Assistant] Right on. And so she's, she racked up a bunch of deployments.


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[Assistant] Now after that platoon chief tour, you decide you're gonna do, uh, you're gonna switch over to warrant officer.


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[Assistant] So you get picked up for Warrant Officer, and, and now you go to SEAL Team 3. Uhm, back to Team 3, that must've been kinda cool.


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[Assistant] And then you, you know, you basically become the training officer. Is that what's going on?


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[Assistant] Are you still into golf at this point? Yeah. Cause as a warrant officer you got a little bit more.


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[Assistant] Little bit more flex time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's almost like an Echo Charles type sketch.


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[Assistant] Even though I spent my adult life in the SEAL teams, you were talking about the fact that you were home during workup.


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[Assistant] Did you ever figure out what the injury, was it a specific thing? Or was it like musculature?


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[Assistant] Shitty sleep. Shitty food. Just freaking stress me down.


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[Assistant] And now you're, you're, you're last, I think your last tour is at SQT? Yeah, yep.


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[Assistant] You, at that point you're like gonna retire. Decide to retire.


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[Assistant] So that was like, probably pretty nice. I'm assuming. Cause it was like, uh, whatever, virtual classroom or whatever.


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[Assistant] Golf apparel. Golf apparel. And the company is called. Hooli. Hooli Golf. Yes sir. I guess it's just Hooli. It's Hooli. Yep. It's HooliGolf.com right?


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[Assistant] So as a breacher, that's one of the tools that you carry. Sure, you carry explosives, you might carry a sledgehammer, and you might carry a hoolie tool, which is taken from the fire department, who uses either a hooligan tool or a halogen tool. Right?


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[Assistant] And then people copied the idea and, but they couldn't use the same name because they kind of copied the idea so they changed, they changed the design a little bit. But that also is a very practical thing and that's what, the SEAL teams, that's all we ever said was Hooli-Tool.


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[Assistant] And so, you reta- when did you retire? So did you get- wait, let me phrase that. Did you have school finished by the time you retired? No.


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[Assistant] So you did, ended up doing all that? I did. And you got reward out of it? I did. You learned something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'd say you're definitely an entrepreneur. What, what I remember is like you were, you initially talked to me about this idea and


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[Assistant] You're like, well, you know, I'm in the golf, my guy, I don't like golf. Come talk to me when I'm 98 and I'm gonna start playing golf. Cause I'm doing jujitsu and I'm freaking surfing and I'm playing guitar and all this stuff. But you know, but I was like, oh, I got this idea cause you're, but I know I've known so many team guys that were so into golf. And then when you were telling me the idea, I was like,


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[Assistant] Well I also know there's a whole group of dudes that play golf.


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[Assistant] That are not like a stereotypical golf person. And I was like, oh, you're gonna freakin' land because there's all kinds of people.


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[Assistant] As soon as you were talking to me and I was like, oh yeah, this is gonna be, this is gonna be great. You're gonna nail it because those people exist. And you're making, this is what I always think is important, you make something


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[Assistant] That's for you and your friends. Like, you're making something that's for you. I make all kinds of stuff. That's for me and my friends.


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[Assistant] I make jujitsu gear. Why? That's for me and my friends. Make rash guards. That's for me and my friends. Make energy drinks. That's for me and my friends. This is all stuff that I use. And so, as you were talking to me, I was like, oh, he's gonna make stuff for him and his friends.


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[Assistant] And there's a, and I know that there's a huge, I mean look, golf is a freaking huge thing. And I know that it's not all people in a country club with a Mercedes. It's a bunch of hooligans. And so,


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[Assistant] Oh, you've got a whole group of people that you're going to be, that want to get on board with this. And not only that, but


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[Assistant] People that, you know, they're doing it early in the morning. They're doing it because they got a regular job. They're doing it, you know, in between when they're taking care of their kids. They're practicing in their backyard, hitting into a net. You know, like, these are the people, there's a whole culture of like, hooli golf that's out there. I already know it. And so when you were like, oh, I'm going to make clothes for them, I was like, oh.


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[Assistant] That's freaking awesome. That's gonna do outstanding. So, it may be your first effort in business, but I think it's gonna slay. Because I think you're nailing a group of people that are, that think the way you do about a very


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[Assistant] Uh, something that people are super passionate about. I've seen freaking team guys spend their, all their money on golf. Right? New clubs, new balls, new freaking tees, new this, new that.


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[Assistant] But they're hardcore dudes and s- and they work out and they train and so you're taking that team guy approach to golf and I think it's gonna crush. So.


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[Assistant] Like dude, you post workout stuff and like early morning golf.


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[Assistant] Right? You're like Dawn Patrol Golf. Pre-Dawn Golf is salt. Like that's what you're doing. That's, if I, when I start playing golf when I'm 79 years old, I'll be like early Dawn Patrol Golf. I'll be in the game. I'll be, I'll be Hoolie to the, to the core.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and especially a hobby that takes 4 hours. Like, and I know you can do it faster. How fast can you play? How fast can you play 9 holes? Do you play 9 or do you play 18?


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[Assistant] You went to the freaking caddy course in Scotland.


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[Assistant] When you, when you, does, so every, this is Soldiers, what's it, Soldiers what? What's the name of it? Caddy School for Soldiers. Caddy, they all go to Scotland? Or just some?


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[Assistant] But I do know that that's like the, that's the mecca of golf. It is. The holy grail. The holy grail.


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[Assistant] Are they sitting you down? Is there like a freaking old freaking Mickey type dude that rolls in with like, sunburned face, leathered, and he's like, let me tell you, when you get in the sand trap, and there's a,


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[Assistant] For not offshore wind, you wanna go with this? Like, is it like that? Like, what's it going down? Yeah, so, in terms of Golf Yoda, where's he at?


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[Assistant] Good, there's a girl. So that, that's, you learned a lot, and good, you were posting cool videos and stuff when you were, uhm, when you were over there. Looks, looks freakin' badass. Absolute blast. And obviously I'm not a golfer. But, you know, we know how that goes.


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[Assistant] And that obviously helps you out with Hooli, you understand the game better and all that, which is, which is awesome. By the way, you know, we mentioned Beth, your wife, uhm, she is, uh, uh, program manager.


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[Assistant] For the Navy SEAL Foundation, which is like just awesome and she's been there for a while. But uhm, I just wanted to point that out that, you know, you've been out there, you know, serving our country and now you retired but she still is serving our country and serving the teams through what she does with the Navy SEAL Foundation.


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[Assistant] Pretty awesome effort and a great organization that has helped, uh, obviously helped so many of our friends and our friends' families.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what, what's that like? What do you, what do you look at from the outside? How hard is she busting her ass to make that happen? Is there, is it possible that anyone could be more passionate about taking care of team guys than team guys' wives?


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[Assistant] No, it's awesome, and it was pretty cool. We, we all went to an event.


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[Assistant] And correct me if I'm wrong, but there was four, it was a Navy SEAL Foundation event in Los Angeles, and there was four guys from Tasking a Bruiser there, and we were all


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[Assistant] With our wives, the same wives that we had, I mean I guess Beth was your girlfriend at the time, but Jeremy was there with his wife, still married, and then one other guy who's still active duty with his wife, just still there, there's four of us there, right?


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[Assistant] Therefore, so pretty awesome, pretty awesome to see and we got a, we got a picture of that momentous occasion.


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[Assistant] Four team guys that have all been married. To one woman for a long time. That's pretty impressive. And uh, pretty impressive what that foundation does. And Beth, thank you for what you do. Uhm, and thanks to that foundation for what you guys do. What else? Does this get us up to speed?


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[Assistant] Echo Charles, you got any questions? Oh, here we go. Football questions.


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[Assistant] That's the kind of people that I think we're talking about, but then I think there's more layers going straight.


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[Assistant] And my dad, I'll have to get them some golf shirts, see what's up.


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[Assistant] And people can find you, so it's hooligolf.com. That's where you can get the stuff. You can go to Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook at hooligolf. And then you have a YouTube channel that you're the star of. Hell yea.


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[Assistant] But it's, it's over the top hoolie. At over the top hoolie. Did you know that's what it was? Yes. Why is it at over the top hoolie? What's the, what's the difference here?


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[Assistant] You know what I'm talking about? This dude, uhm, he's, cause I follow you, now all of a sudden I get golf stuff in my algorithm. Which is, you know, but, and you know, I'll


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[Assistant] D.O.D. means drive off the deck. So he's out there and he just talks mad shit.


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[Assistant] Anyone that uses a T, he calls him a weasel. He's like, oh weasel, you cheat, and all this stuff.


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[Assistant] Tee using weasel. So he says, oh, you know, oh, all you weasels out there and keyboard warriors. Dude, he goes off. But then he cracks these drives off the ground. He just throws the ball out there. Wait, who is this? He's a guy.


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[Assistant] Okay, but his real thing is D.O.D. King, and he tells people, he's like, cause I'm the king, he says, and he says, I'm uh, I'm five foot seven, I got crooked teeth and a mullet, and I'm about to just crack this down the fairway.


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[Assistant] They're saying, oh it's fake. But then he'll do like a long version and be like, how fake is this? He'll throw it out there and just hit it. There's no edits.


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[Assistant] So we'll get the, we gotta get you connected with the D.O.D. King. I mean, I am a T using Weasel. Right, but he doesn't wanna be one of these people that's wearing golf shirts that are made by Weasels. He wants to be probably, I would imagine. He's, cause he's also like a working class dude, he's not a snob. He's out there.


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[Assistant] He's out there working, he's got a job, you know? Sure. So.


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[Assistant] We'll see. I don't think he's a weasel. I think he's a good American. He's from Virginia Beach. I think he's probably gonna be really interested in representing Hooli.


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[Assistant] Which is more legit than whatever bullshit he's rolling. Now no offense to D.O.D. King. And look, I'm not a golfer. But he looks like he cracks it pretty good to me.


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[Assistant] So that's where people can find you. YouTube, over the top, Hooli, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, at HooliGolf.


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[Assistant] And then Hooligolf.com if you want to just go there and get a badass shirt. You could wear that shirt to a meeting. You could wear it to dinner. And yes, you could wear it playing golf. And you got a bunch of cool designs that you're the designer of now. Cause we apparently, you're the design guy.


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[Assistant] Check. Check. Uh, Echo, did you have any more questions? That is it. Good to see you. Bobby, any other closing thoughts, man? Nope.


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[Assistant] Good times, man. Thank you. Wrapped it up. Uhm, well, thank you. Thank you for coming down. Uh, it's freaking legit. And that guy's...


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[Assistant] Are now retiring and look, I hate the fact that you all have to retire, but they retire and you can come down here and kind of share your story. Uhm, it's awesome. I appreciate it. Thanks for what you did.


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[Assistant] Thanks for the country. Thanks for what you did for the Navy, for the teams. Thanks for what you did for tasking a bruiser. Thanks for the lessons that you passed on to the next generation that are out there using your lessons for their platoons right now.


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[Assistant] Thanks for what you did, and you never faltered, you never wavered, you stepped up, you led, and you set an example, an outstanding example, and you passed on the highest standards of the Frogmen. So thanks bro.


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[Assistant] And with that, and this actually means a lot in this particular case.


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[Assistant] Bobby Holland has left the building. Cause, you know, that came from Elvis.


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[Assistant] And so today, there's a lot of meaning when I say that Bobby Holland, lead Bob, has left the building.


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[Assistant] He's, we talked about it a little bit, he's a fan of Elvis. Yeaah. So, Bobby Holland has left the building. Awesome to have him on. And see what he's doing here, bringing back a lot of memories. Uhm, very cool. So, thanks, thanks to Lead Bob.


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[Assistant] A different Jeremy by the way, than the Jeremy that we talked about today. The Jeremy that we talked about today is a different Jeremy. A different Jeremy than the Jeremy that you're talking about. Let's say there's a Hawaiian Jeremy, and then there's a different Jeremy.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like uhm, when they do a, like a prequel or a sequel. Prequel, yeaah. But it's more like a prequel, right? Prequel. Cause a sequel, you kind of, you're carrying on, but a prequel you're kind of learning more about what you know about already.


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[Assistant] I mean, and even Bob was telling me, you know, he was going through like just thinking about stuff and he said on the podcast he's been doing some thinking about everything and you start to remember little things and like even the story he was telling about being in mount and like repelling off the roof and like


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[Assistant] I'm gonna think about it more, I can't really remember it right now. And, and, so it's nice to be able to capture, like at some point you forget stuff that happened. The more stuff that happens in your life, the more stuff you forget about, the further away you get from it. You know, Leif's sending me those emails, and Bob would say an aftermath, and he's like, that email account


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[Assistant] Doesn't exist anymore. So Bob doesn't even have access to those emails that Lafe sent me.


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[Assistant] Man, to have, and those emails, those old emails are really interesting to look at because they're a, they're a, uh, a stamp of time.


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[Assistant] That's you at that time. And you, you can get older and you can learn more and you can become more wise and you can become more jaded, but at that time, this is a pretty good representation of who you were and how you felt at a certain time. So.


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[Assistant] Pretty cool to be able to have those documents and be able to go through them and get back those memories. Even after we got done recording, he was like, he said when I started reading, uhm,


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[Assistant] He was kind of like, wait, oh, he, you know, it was like coming back to him. The memory of it came back to him. So it's very cool to be able to reopen those things and remember details that you might not otherwise remember and don't think about and all that stuff. So thanks for coming on, Bob. Appreciate it.


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[Assistant] Lead bob, still on the path after all these years. Speaking of the path, deaf reset's coming. Yep. Deaf reset.


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[Assistant] Is starting January, listen, technically speaking, starts January 1st. Reality starts right now. Like if you, you gotta be ready for Deaf Reset. You can't just show up, it's like going to Buds, you just don't roll into Buds. Oh, first phase, what do they call it? One, one day. Like first week, first day.


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[Assistant] They call one, one day. If you roll into one, one day and you haven't done some, they give you, even the, even they, the milit, the navy, gives you


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[Assistant] So 1-1 day is coming January 1st. You gotta be ready. You got the prep phase going on right now. We got the warning order. So, we're gonna get our lives, physical, mental, professional, family, leadership. We're gonna get them all squared away.


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[Assistant] We got workouts and fitness with Jason Kalipa. We got leadership with Echelon Front. We got discipline directives coming from me. We got Joggle Fuel. We got, there's like benefits, benefits you call them. We're gonna give away like,


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[Assistant] Tickets to the muster. We're gonna wait a bunch of Jocko Fuel stuff. So, defreset.com. Come and check it out. Let's get on the path. Be prepared.


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[Assistant] January 1st is coming. It's December 1st right now when we're recording this. I don't know when it's coming out, but time is ticking.


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[Assistant] Be ready. Def Reset. Go to TheDefReset.com. Speaking of Joggo Fuel, JoggoFuel.com.


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[Assistant] And I'm feeling very fired up. So look, am I fired up because Lee Bob was here? Sure. Little bit. Kinda. Yeah? Kinda. Am I also fired up because I had a few go? Two go? Yes, I am. So, do I have downside?


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[Assistant] Am I gonna crash? Nope, I'm not gonna crash. Am I gonna get type 2 diabetes? No I'm not. Am I gonna get some other weird, uh, gut problems? Because I have artificial sweeteners. No, none of that's gonna happen. So my downside is nothing. My upside is everything.


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[Assistant] Go to jocofueled.com, get yourself some go. You can also go to...


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[Assistant] Wawa, Vitamin Shop, GNC, Military Commissaries, APHES, Hannaford, Dash Stores, and Maryland Wake, Fern, ShopRite, HEB, HEB Down.


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[Assistant] They're in Tejas, Meyer, up in the Midwest, Harris Teeter, Lifetime Fitness, Shields, small gyms everywhere, and listen, if you own a small school, a, uh, Jiu Jitsu school, CrossFit school,


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[Assistant] Powerlifting school. Olympic lifting school. Maybe it's just a straight globo gym.


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[Assistant] But you wanna sell Jocko Fuel? Email jfsales at jockofuel.com. Chaz, he'll get in touch with you. Have you met Chaz yet?


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[Assistant] Oh, old school. Old school in the game.


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[Assistant] Just getting after it. So, that's what we're doing. Mulk. Protein. Cause sometimes, look, let's face it. Sometimes you need 30 grams of protein. Like right now. RTD. Just crack one open. You're good. 30 grams of protein. You're good.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Oh, there you go. All kinds of good stuff. Joint warfare, super crew, vitamin D, cold war. That's it. That's what we're doing. Hydrate. Hydrate. Yea. You're gonna need to hydrate. You get done with that. Even before that. Yea. And then, here's a key component to your daily life. Greens and creatine.


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[Assistant] If you're not doing greens and creatine in the morning,


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[Assistant] You should be. There's no one that shouldn't be doing that. Not one person. Everyone should be doing greens and creatine like brushing your teeth. Brush your teeth, greens and creatine. Actually don't do it right away because you'll get that weird thing. You don't want to do that. You brush your teeth, you can't eat anything for how long? Half an hour?


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[Assistant] Maybe get done with your workout. By the time you're done with your workout, 100%, you're cleared hot.


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[Assistant] How do you brush your teeth, bro? Right after that? What, you go down to the kitchen and you're like functioning doing stuff?


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[Assistant] I have played like literally one round of golf. On the golf course. On the golf course. Where else would I play a round of golf?


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[Assistant] My son was probably like 6 and he straight up like full driver with the putter, like full driver shot that thing like Tiger Woods.


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[Assistant] That's what we're doing. Get awesome clothes there and they're all made in America. Look, we


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[Assistant] In this country have fought for freedom and right now we're selling that freedom. Selling it.


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[Assistant] Go and buy something from China, you're, you're, you're selling it. You're, you're giving it away. All this freedom that we fought for.


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[Assistant] Being sold. Don't let it happen. Buy American. Buy American made.


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[Assistant] We go through the most extreme lengths to produce and manufacture things in the United States of America at originusa.com. Everything that you need. Workout clothes.


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[Assistant] Hunt clothes. Jeans. You need a pair of jeans. You probably need two pairs of jeans. We got you. Get American made jeans. Support the American worker. Support the American economy. Support American security. Because if we can't produce things in this country, we don't have a country.


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[Assistant] If you're taking a break from the path, by the time the order shows up, you should definitely be back on the path.


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[Assistant] And not be on the path. That's true. Hard to put on a DefCore t-shirt. A t-shirt that literally says DefCore on it. Discipline equals freedom to the core. To the core. And you're like, yea, where's that donut at?


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[Assistant] Hey, speaking of America, Americans, look, do we need mulk? Yes we do. Do we get 30 grams of mulk?


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[Assistant] Do we get 14 grams of protein from a mulk cookie? We do. Guess what else? Sometimes you need supplemental protein. Actually, your primary source of protein. Let's go steak. Let's go American steak. Let's go


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[Assistant] Let's go PrimalBeef.com and let's go ColoradoCraftBeef.com. Two American companies bringing you steak that tastes like


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[Assistant] Check it out. We got you. ColoradoCraftBeef.com and PrimalBeef.com. Go check those out. Subscribe to the podcast. Check out Jocko Underground. Check out our YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] Check out psychological warfare. Check out flipsidecanvas.com. Dakota Myers selling you cool stuff to hang on your wall. Keep you on the path. Also, bunch of books. I've written a bunch of books. You know what they are. And look, they will help you. They will help you read them.


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[Assistant] Read them. And then, look, you got kids in your life, get them away the warrior kid books. One, two, three, four, and five.


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[Assistant] These are the books. When you get them and you see kids read them, you see their lives change. So that's what we're doing. Check them out.


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[Assistant] Mike and the Dragons, About Face, Extreme Ownership, Dichotomy Leadership, it's all there. Ashland Front, you heard about Leigh Fabin today.


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[Assistant] He and I have a leadership consultancy. It's called Echelon Front. Go to echelonfront.com. We can help your organization.


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[Assistant] Look, for leadership, but it's training for life because when you interact with other human beings, which you do all day long every day, unless you're a hermit, you gotta interact with other people. That's leadership.


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[Assistant] So you gotta lead yourself, you gotta lead other people, you gotta interact with other people, go to ExtremeOwnership.com and learn these skills.


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[Assistant] Also, if you want to help service members, active and retired, you want to help their families, Gold Star families, check out Mark Lee's mom, Mama Lee, she's got a charity organization, if you want to-


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[Assistant] Donate or get involved, go to americasmightywarriors.org, also heroesandhorses.org, also Jimmy May's organization beyondthebrotherhood.org, and finally the Navy Seal Foundation, which is where


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[Assistant] Bobby's wife works. She's been there for a while, but there's a bunch of great human beings. These are the people. This is the organization that takes care of seals.


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[Assistant] At Hooligolf. He's on YouTube with over the top Hooli. And Echo is at Echo Charles. I am at Jocko Willink.


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[Assistant] And again, just be careful, because the algorithm, you'll look at one golf thing, and the next thing you know, you'll have a bunch of golf stuff inside your algorithm, showing you the D.O.D. King. So just be careful. For whoever else. You know, if you look at a one dog, one knife, you'll have a thing full of knives. That's true.


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[Assistant] If you talk about something, it'll pick it up, put it in there. It's wild.


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[Assistant] Okay, sounds like a good plan. So, just be careful. We're there, but there's algorithms on the hunt. Once again, thanks to Lead Bob.


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[Assistant] Bobby Holland for joining us today. Check out Hooligolf.com. Most important, thanks to Bob for.


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[Assistant] His service, leadership in the teams and for our great nation and thanks to Beth as well for everything you do for all of us.


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[Assistant] And thanks to all the personnel out there in uniform right now that are serving and protecting us around the world. Your sacrifice is appreciated and will not be forgotten. And the same goes to our police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, and all first responders. Thank you for serving and protecting us here at home. We are grateful. And everyone else out there, you got a good example from lead Bob Bobby Holland.


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[Assistant] Step up. Work hard. Have fun. Have fun. Have fun. Man, put some Elvis in your life. Take care of your friends.


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[Assistant] Take care of your family. Run things. Raise the bar. Stay humble. And of course, keep getting after it. And until next time, this is Echo and Jaco.


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[Assistant] It's all good. In not so many words. And that's when I realized that we were holding on


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[Assistant] And I say, guys, so we have a situation. And uhm, some phones have gone missing at Gracie University. And we think that, you know, Daniel is the one who took possession of them.


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[Assistant] I love this school. Henner has been nothing but good to me. He don't. I love training with you guys, and I hope I can still train with you guys. Bro.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 424 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Wheelink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. So, continuing from the last podcast that we did, 423, if you haven't listened to that one.


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[Assistant] You can go back and listen to it, or you can listen to that one later. These kind of stand on their own. This is going back to the book. The same.


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[Assistant] 1954 Air Force manual called the psychological aspects of survival and there's just a bunch of good information in there today we're going to talk about some sections this


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[Assistant] Look, it's a survival mania. That's not what it's about. It's about the psychology of survival. And so the, the things that I found that we're gonna cover today, they're helpful to so many different aspects of your life. It's, it's a section on fear and it's a section about leadership.


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[Assistant] And how to recognize and overcome fear, something everybody needs to know.


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[Assistant] And then how to lead a group or group leaderships or group leadership in


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[Assistant] Dynamic situations. How do you do that? And I think you're gonna see both these topics I was pulling all kinds of stuff out of them that we can apply to our normal lives business lives Tactical lives if you're in a tactical scenario family Relationships all nine yards. So here we go. We're gonna go back to the book and


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[Assistant] Fear in survival. Fear can save your life or it can kill you.


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[Assistant] Some men became paralyzed when faced with the simplest survival situations. Some of these have been able to snap themselves out of it before it was too late.


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[Assistant] In other cases, a fellow crew member was on hand to save them. The others however have not been so fortunate. They are not listed among the survivors.


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[Assistant] These people take it right to the source. The early versions, extreme ownership. How well you react depends more upon yourself than it does upon the situation. This has been demonstrated both in actual survival situations and in laboratory experiments.


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[Assistant] It isn't always the physically strong or happy go lucky guy who handles fear most effectively. They frequently become frozen in panic.


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[Assistant] On the other hand, timid and anxious men have met such emergencies with remarkable coolness and strength. It's about you. What you gonna do? And that is true. You don't know.


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[Assistant] You can make an assessment and you're going to be accurate to a certain percentage. So let's say if I looked, if I knew five guys and I knew we were going to throw some dynamic situation at them and I had to predict how they were going to react, I'd probably get a 70, 70% right.


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[Assistant] Even when you know em, there's still gonna be some people that just lock up at the wrong point. You don't know. And that's one of those things when you get to experience it for the first time and you're like, okay, I'm good. It's a good thing.


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[Assistant] That's kind of, you know, that's what everyone, that's why young men want to go into combat, right? They want to see what up. They want to see how they do. They want to make sure that they react the way they envisioned. And I think that


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[Assistant] That's one thing that plays into sort of how you handle the whole situation, right?


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[Assistant] If you didn't respond and didn't act the way you wish you would've, I think that's probably pretty hard to deal with.


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[Assistant] Actually, we got, I got another book that I'm prepping right now that's, that kinda tunes into the...


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[Assistant] The trauma, the post, the post-traumatic scenarios, but that's one of those things that I think I did. It also reminds me of that.


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[Assistant] Remember when Jimmy May was on and he was talking about people going through buds and


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[Assistant] The way that they saw themselves, the more closely that aligned to the way other people saw them, the better chance they had to making it through.


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[Assistant] And if they saw themselves differently than other people saw them, they had less of a chance of making it through. I think this one, the way you see yourself and the way you actually do, I think that has a lot to, I think that impacts you. So if you have high expectations, if you think you're gonna be a superhero,


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[Assistant] That's a problem. If you don't, if you think you're kinda wimpy, and you kinda perform wimpy, you're okay. Yeah.


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[Assistant] If you think you're going to be wimpy and you perform well, then that's kind of, you'll be okay. But I think the hardest one is like you think you're going to be a stud and you end up being a dud. I think that can be hard to deal with.


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[Assistant] You're in harm's way if you don't act like a hero. Bro, you were there. It's okay. Like we get it. It's uh, you know what I mean? Like,


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[Assistant] We hold a higher expectation of ourselves, and then when someone doesn't do what they wanted to do, they feel bad about it. When it's like, hey man, you were there, it's okay. Like, we appreciate you just being there, so thank you.


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[Assistant] It's different, you know? Yeah, it's harder to convince someone. Like, you missed the winning touchdown as a receiver.


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[Assistant] You know, and I'm like, hey Echo, it's okay. Like, we wouldn't have been here if it wasn't for you in the first place, but you don't care about that anymore. You just know that you let us down. In your mind, you let us down when we needed you the most. So, that's one part. The other part is what you just said, and they talk about it in this book, that's why it's kind of fresh in my mind, and you've heard me talk about this a bunch of times.


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[Assistant] Being mentally prepared and in this book they just call it set. They call it set. We'll get to it. But being set mentally to handle something.


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[Assistant] It makes you so much more prepared for it. And the example I always use is if you came to my house and I was like, I hid in the hallway and scared you, like you'd be scared.


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[Assistant] If I told you I was gonna scare you, I probably could not scare you. Just because you were ready for it.


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[Assistant] If you roleplay like a conversation that you're gonna have with someone before you go and do it, you're gonna do so much better than if they suddenly show up like, I wanna talk about this right now. You're gonna be totally frazzled. Where if you roleplay it first with one of your peers and then you go and you make it happen, you're gonna be able to handle it a lot better.


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[Assistant] And thinking, okay, if I get contacted from the front, I'm gonna go over here, I'm gonna make the call to move the platoon over here. Just having that little bit of foresight helps you out tremendously.


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[Assistant] And that's one of the things you and I talk about jiu-jitsu. If you train...


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[Assistant] And someone grabs you in the street, you're like sooo ready. If you don't train and someone grabs you, you, it takes you


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[Assistant] A good chunk of time just to compute what's going on and the fear and the aggression and the hostility and the physical, the physicality of the whole thing. That's five things or whatever I just named that you gotta get over. Yeah. Meanwhile, if you train, you're, you're over. You're already on the other side of that mountain. You're like, what? Let's go. You just got hip tossed, son.


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[Assistant] He just got hip tossed. Alright, going back to the book here. Fear.


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[Assistant] Everyone who faces an emergency that threatens any of his important needs experiences fear. In a survival emergency, you may be constantly threatened with the loss of such basic needs as food, water, companionship, shelter, even of life itself.


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[Assistant] In a survival situation, you, like everyone else, will experience fear.


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[Assistant] Your fear will greatly influence your behavior and your behavior, your chances of surviving.


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[Assistant] Fear cannot be removed by a military order. It is a very natural response to danger. You must recognize fear, live with it, and if possible, use it to your advantage. Ooh.


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[Assistant] You must accept fear as a normal reaction. It is not an emotion you need to be ashamed of. You must realize that you cannot avoid fear by denying that the danger causing it exists. You must realize that there is always something you can do to improve your situation. Good advice. That's a big one and this is another thing to point out.


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[Assistant] Taking MMA fighters that are nervous, and you can see that they're nervous, and they've gone to the bathroom nine times.


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[Assistant] And they're pale and they're sweating and they're just nervous, you can tell.


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[Assistant] And if you tell them, hey, that's just your body getting ready for combat. That's, it's good for you to be feeling what you're feeling right now. And they go, okay, cool. If you're like, hey, what's wrong? Bro. You just send them in a tailspin.


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[Assistant] It's like companionship through hardship. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. It's like you are, what you're being told is yeaah, oh you've gotta go for the first day of school.


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[Assistant] You, you feel all nervous. Everyone's nervous. Everyone feels that way. You're all in this together. It's okay. You gotta go try out for the football team. You're scared, you're nervous. Yep, that's it. Everyone that's going out on that field is nervous.


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[Assistant] Next section. What is known about fear? Symptoms. When you are afraid you may have one or more of the following symptoms or signs. However, these effects may also appear in circumstances other than fear.


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[Assistant] So it goes through a bunch of these rapid and noticeable pulse, palpitation, trembling, feeling or muscular tension.


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[Assistant] Dryness of the throat and mouth. Change of pitch of voice. You ever watch, uh, like police shooting videos? Yea. And you can hear the voice of like a cop that's totally petrified and his voice like they're losing it. That's a good example of that. Stammering.


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[Assistant] Perspiration especially on the palms of the hands, soles of the feet and the armpits.


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[Assistant] Feelings of emptiness in the stomach. Desire to defecate or urinate. I just talked about that. You get a UFC fighter that's going to the octagon for the first time. He's probably going to the bathroom 14 times in the final hour there. Same thing with combat. Like you got, you're going out and the guy going on his first mission, he's in the freaking port of John a bunch. Uh, nausea.


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[Assistant] Faintness, forgetfulness, talkativeness in the early stages later tending to become speechless. You ever been around someone that's scared they're talking about


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[Assistant] Confusion, fatigue, dilation of pupils, increase in blood sugar, increase of sugar in the urine, increase in adrenaline content to the blood, feelings of unreality.


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[Assistant] So these are all things that you can see when you see someone that's scared.


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[Assistant] Do you have anything that you've, that you've been around where people are scared, where you already know the deal?


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[Assistant] And I'm like, oh, that must be something like, are they going to be able to fight? And the coach would be like, no, that's just what they do. Yeah, yeah, that's just how that's kind of crazy. Yeah, all those things. But like, like we've been saying, when you are helping someone get through a frightened moment,


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[Assistant] That's, those are some of the things they experience. If you tell them, yep, that's you, that's just normal. I always tell people like that's your body getting ready for war, whether they're going to fight in the cage, whether they're going out on the wrestling mat, whether they're going into combat, that's your body getting ready for war. That's your body getting ready for combat. So it's good. It's good. I tell them it's good and it is good. You're getting focused.


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[Assistant] Almost everyone who has flown a combat mission has experienced fear. In a study made of 1,985 flying officers and 2,519 airmen after World War II, 99% expressed some fear.


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[Assistant] 33% of the officers and 42% of the airmen were afraid on every mission or on almost everyone.


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[Assistant] Where do airmen experience fear? Study of the fear reactions of 150 normal airmen following World War II combat tours in the 8th Air Force indicated that


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[Assistant] Some experience greatest tension the night before a mission or at some time even more distant from danger.


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[Assistant] The majority, however, experience the greatest tension between briefing and takeoff. And perhaps, again, over the enemy coast, tension is relieved by action.


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[Assistant] A few experience the greatest fear at the time of combat or catastrophe.


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[Assistant] Some show no marked response until after the mission has been completed and they begin to talk it over.


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[Assistant] Very few seem to show no tension at all. Some because they displace fear, other because they convert their fear into aggressive action against the enemy.


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[Assistant] For me, I was like a night before guy, like the further away, that's when I, and I would feel, what I'd feel is nervous, and I was nervous number one obviously, a guy's gonna get hurt or killed.


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[Assistant] At number two, that we're gonna do a bad job, like we're gonna make a mistake. I'm gonna make a mistake and that's gonna cause the unit to do a bad job. But for me, like after the briefing,


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[Assistant] Actually, basically during the briefing, I'm now, I'm in the mode of... Remember when I talked a little bit about getting a little bit of arrogance, a little bit of cocky?


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[Assistant] I would, basically when I'm going into brief and I'm briefing, that's how I'm feeling. I start feeling like we're gonna crush the enemy.


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[Assistant] But I start feeling pretty good, and then the greatest fear in the time of combat, I'm one of those people that when it's going on, and I think most people, that's why it says a few, most people are like when you're, when it's happening, it's happening, that's what you're, that's what you're focused on.


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[Assistant] Some show no mark response until after the mission has been completed and they begin to talk it over. I don't have any of that.


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[Assistant] But I have talked to guys where you could see that when we got back, they were like,


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[Assistant] What the hell just happened and you can see the fear settling in afterwards. And then no tension or no fear. You know.


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[Assistant] They displace the fear or convert it into aggressive action. That's probably, I know I felt that way a lot of time. I wasn't really afraid before, during or after. I was more, I guess for lack of a better term, focused.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but also like, you're driving down the street, you're waiting to suck start an IED, well, that's called fear. You know, or you're going out the gate, you're like, yeah, this could happen today. It could happen in the next 500 meters, 300 meters. Like, this could go down. So,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that means if you can, if you're coaching someone or if you're coaching yourself or you're looking at yourself, you may feel any one of these things in any one of these times. Before, during, after. It could come your way. So be ready for it, be ready to recognize it.


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[Assistant] Next section, what do airmen fear? The study already mentioned the flying officers and airmen showed that the following things were most frequently feared by combat fliers. Number one, failure.


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[Assistant] Americans, we don't want to be cowards and we don't want to fail.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, the enemy might do something to kill me, but what I'm really scared of is I don't want to fail. And I don't want to be a coward. Next, having a plane on fire. Very specific. Bad weather.


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[Assistant] Malfunction of the aircraft, injury to the eyes, abdomen, brain and genitals. Worry about that. Worry about that.


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[Assistant] Like you're just in there, it's dark, it's, you don't know what the hell's happening, it's loud, it's hot, and...


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[Assistant] You can just get blown up. And that's the way it is.


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[Assistant] You're a passenger in a Humvee, you know, Humvee's a little bit more proactive, especially


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[Assistant] It's normally you're in a Humvee with your platoon. But in Bradley, you're in the back of a Brandon Bradley. Like, you got picked up or you're getting dropped off or whatever.


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[Assistant] You don't have much control. You feel a little bit helpless. You feel, it does feel badass being in a Bradley, of course, but when Bradley's are getting...