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[Assistant] And that's the kind of thing that, you know, no matter what your job is, what are you gonna do? All you need to do is step up.


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[Assistant] And get after it and all those jobs, any job that you're doing, that your work, that you enjoy, you know, do something that you enjoy. And what makes you enjoy things? To me, what makes you enjoy, enjoy things is doing them well and practicing and getting good at them and having pride in your work. That's awesome. So I would say.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta go, you gotta find something that you like doing, and...


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[Assistant] For instance, I like to work with my hands. Okay, good. Then you need to be a carpenter. You need to be a plumber. You need to be an electrician. Oh, I like to work with my brain. Okay.


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[Assistant] You like to solve problems. Okay, become a software engineer where you're trying to figure out how to map all those things together or a statistician. I like the numbers. I'm going to be a statistician. So yes, absolutely. What are you interested in? And then what job requires that type of mindset and skill? It's always fun because I work with so many different companies.


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[Assistant] You know, there's always a group of people that are just into their job, right? They're into it and they want to be the best and it, and it doesn't matter what it is. And I've, I've had, you know, I work with companies, every different industry and sometimes I think to myself,


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[Assistant] Well, this is a weird industry. I kind of, I kind of, you know, just think, you know, it's weird that I'm going to work with this particular company because this is a weird industry. And then I meet the person that's bringing me in and they're talking to me about their business like they're going into combat.


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[Assistant] And I mean that in the most positive way. They're like, hey, this is what we want to do. This is our vision right here. And they're talking about, you know, selling shampoo. I mean, you know what I mean? Like just something that


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[Assistant] That they're into and they just want to do the best that they can at it and that becomes a passion and a fuel. So it's, it's, it's fun to watch. It's fun to watch and it doesn't, and it translates, you know, the attitude that they bring to it and the leadership that they bring to it translates into their whole life.


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[Assistant] That's how, that's what makes people successful in business and life is when they're, they bring that attitude of I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this to the best of my ability and I'm gonna grow and I'm gonna get better and I'm gonna find my weaknesses and I'm gonna work on those and next thing you know these people are owning their own businesses and it's awesome.


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[Assistant] The swearing question, we actually talked about that already on one of the earlier podcasts. I don't know which number.


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[Assistant] But it's covered in great detail. I think it's an 18 minute conversation. Let's not rehash that one.


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[Assistant] You think that's cool, huh? I don't know if it's cool or not, but I do do it.


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[Assistant] But I don't swear here and I don't swear when I'm presenting and I don't swear in front of my wife and kids and I


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[Assistant] I try and give her some respect and treat, you know, speak. In fact, when I do swear in front of her, I do it knowingly that I'm trying to make some kind of a...


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[Assistant] A statement about something. Yea, like emphasizing something. Yea, really emphasize something. Dang. Okay. Cool man. That's good. Hey. Okay, now let's get to the combating burnout. First of all, it sounds like


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[Assistant] This guy right here has a lot going on, which is awesome. Good for you. That's killer. Welcome to life, right? Now, a couple things, right?


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[Assistant] And I guess this might be a little bit of a theme tonight, but you gotta make it fun. Right, instead of viewing these things like an oppressive grind, I mean just the way that


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[Assistant] You know, at the mats, I go on the mats, I don't have time, and life is making huge demands, and I'm trying to just make, trying to do just gymnastic strength training, but without neglecting my wife, and it's like everything is a grind. No, it's not. You have the opportunity to do gymnastic, you got a wife and you got a dog?


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[Assistant] That's, that's, that's awesome. As Echo would say, that's dope. Right there. So, what, you know, instead of looking at them like that, let's look at them


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[Assistant] For instance, reading first thing in the morning? I don't know. I don't agree with that. Like, why would you get up in the morning and read? Reading? No. End of the day. Okay, playing music first thing in the morning?


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[Assistant] Playing music should be fun and enjoyable. As should be. So, getting up and going, okay, I'm gonna go play music. You're turning it into a labor.


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[Assistant] Right? You're turning it into a labor. It should be something that's down, winding you down at the end of the night.


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[Assistant] So, when you wake up in the morning, do something that requires some discipline and has you get after it a little bit and wakes you up a little bit more, right? Uhm, you know, another thing is, you know, jujitsu.


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[Assistant] How, this is a weird question, how fast can you train jujitsu? Because,


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[Assistant] I can tell you for many, many years, and also what part of Jujitsu is important to you and what part are you getting the most out of? Because for many, many years, especially once the war started, when I, I would show up to train,


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[Assistant] Basically at the, at the end of class, and I still do this sometimes. I show up when Dean is done teaching, when Jeff is done teaching. Believe me, if I had unlimited hours, I would sit there and absorb everything that they have to say. I learned something from Dean the other day.


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[Assistant] I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what I learned from Dean the other day. I couldn't believe that I didn't know it. I couldn't believe that I didn't know it. I couldn't believe how well it worked. And I couldn't believe that that bastard never taught it to me, which made me really angry. But that's the way it is. I've been training for 20 years and he taught me a basic


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[Assistant] Fundamental thing that I did not know. So if I could, of course I'd be in there all the time, you know, learning, absorbing glovers the same way. Glover teaches you little things and he goes, oh you should do this right here. Ah man, how did I not know that? So I would learn all I could, but I don't have much time, time for that. So what do I do? Show up when that stuff's over and I go and I train.


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[Assistant] How fast can you, what gets you the most impact in the shortest amount of time? So for me, I always feel if I don't have time to take an hour and a half class, that's you know, a 10 minute warm up


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[Assistant] 30 minutes or 40 minutes of instruction, 10 minutes, 20 minutes of drilling, and then half an hour of rolling or however long that all put together is. But.


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[Assistant] See if you can do that. The other thing you might have to do is prioritize and execute the, uh,


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[Assistant] The extracurricular activities, right? You got gymnastics going on, you got BJJ going on, you got reading, you got music going on. How do you, uhm,


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[Assistant] How do you bring those things together? Or how do you prioritize them so that you're, you focus on?


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[Assistant] Which one's gonna be the most important? That's the bottom line, right? Because you might not have time to do everything.


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[Assistant] And so you might be just dabbling in all of them and not making any progress in any of them.


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[Assistant] So that's not good. Another thing, how can you manipulate your work schedule?


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[Assistant] Right? What can you do at your work schedule that you could squeeze something in? For instance, do people take a lunch break?


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[Assistant] Do people take a lunch break? I haven't taken lunch in the SEAL teams. I didn't take lunch.


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[Assistant] You know, in, why would you take lunch? Like, oh, I'm gonna go for an hour.


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[Assistant] of time and go to a place and sit down and eat. No. I'm going to eat at my desk while I'm working. So I'm never going to take lunch. So maybe during your work, people are, you know, people, hey, we're going to go down and have some lunch. Cool. That's when I'm going to go do, you know, 500 burpees or whatever. I'm going to go run to the gym real quick and get a workout and I'm going to do my sprints or whatever. So see what, what can you do there?


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[Assistant] Maybe you could get more work done in this time when you're waking up early because you want to get after it. Maybe that's the time when you should go to the job because no one's gonna bother you. You can get a bunch of work done and then you can take a break from


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[Assistant] From seven until nine when the rest of everyone's coming in with their coffee and want to talk to you. No, that's when you're working out or that's when you're doing something else. So how can you maximize it? I used to do this when uhm, we used to have to write evaluations for all of our guys and it's a big pain in the Navy and


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[Assistant] They have to be perfect and they're getting recording guys records so you want to be perfect, you want to take the effort because this is how the guys get evaluated so they can get advanced. So you want to take your time with it. But during, during we get, you know, I was in charge so I get these big stacks of evals that I have to go through and it's correct, it's basically doing corrections of papers over and over and over again until they're perfect.


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[Assistant] And it's meticulous work. And so what I would do is during that time period,


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[Assistant] It would take like a month to get it done. I wouldn't work out first thing in the morning. I would go to work immediately in the morning and while everyone else was either not there


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[Assistant] Or I would work. I would work. And then when everyone showed up, you know, at 11, I'd go work out during lunch.


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[Assistant] Another thing is maybe take a little break from some of the activities, maybe take a break from music, maybe take a break from, or maybe you say, oh you know what, I've been doing an hour of music a day, you know I'm gonna change that, I'm gonna do for the next month, I'm only gonna do 15 minutes just to keep my, keep my


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[Assistant] Skills maintained, but I'm not going to progress and I understand that.


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[Assistant] Or maybe you take a break from the mats for two weeks. I can tell you, if you're training every day a two week break from the mat, in many cases, myself, definitely, I take a jump up. I get better if I take a break.


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[Assistant] That's why I travel for me. I don't like it when it goes on all the time, but I go away for six days and don't train.


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[Assistant] I come back and I feel a little bit better, I have some stuff, gels in the brain.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have no problem. That used to make Dean, one time I came home from deployment.


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[Assistant] And so he went home that night and he made us, this is when you had to burn, this is when you had to burn CDs. He made a, he made a CD that was called Kill Jocko. That was all of his favorite, whatever, uh, metal songs. And he came back and the next day he came back and destroyed me. Yeah, he did kill Jocko that next day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so taking a break sometime just to, just to focus on some of the other stuff. The other thing, okay, you got your wife and your dog.


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[Assistant] Your dog can go running with you, right? That's awesome. Your dog can come to the park, watch you do pull ups, right? Your dog can chase the kettlebell that you're, that you're throwing or whatever the, the, the shot put or the medicine ball. You can, you can have, be careful if you're throwing your kettlebell at your dog. That might have been bad, bad advice.


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[Assistant] You know, you throw kettlebells, I was with my buddy, we were in New Jersey one time and we went through kettlebells, it was winter time.


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[Assistant] And we were throwing kettlebells and the kettlebells would get, it was part of the workout was you had to dig the kettlebell back up out of the mud. It was pretty funny. Anyways, so what my point would say is that if you threw your kettlebell and hit a dog, it would not be good. So don't do that one, but take your dog with you to the park, go have fun, hang out.


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[Assistant] And same thing with your wife. You know what, your wife doesn't want to do some jujitsu. My wife did jujitsu before she was pregnant so much she was coming to the gym with me all the time. She was training and then you're just, let's bring it into the family a little bit. Get her into gymnastics. Get your Tim Ferriss Acro Yoga on.


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[Assistant] With, with your girl, right? That's the same thing. Get her in the game.


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[Assistant] Have her lay down some vocal tracks, right? Got maybe little backing vocals from mama. Let's hear what that sounds like.


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[Assistant] And that way you're doing the stuff that you wanna do, which you're bringing your family into the game a little bit. And, like I said man, have fun. Because,


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[Assistant] All these things that you're talking about, even being a prosecutor, which I'm sure, like you said, embeds you in just violence and disturbing things all the time, and it's a challenging job, but


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[Assistant] But enjoy that challenge and how can you do it better and how can you win, you know, I'm gonna have fun with it.


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[Assistant] I had fun all the time, I had fun overseas, I had fun in Iraq, I had fun on the, in the bowels of a ship where I was deployed on for six months. I'm gonna have fun and, and laugh hysterically at things. And it's the same thing with, with music and with working out and jujitsu, man, you gotta,


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[Assistant] Just try and compete with everybody, just try and get better.


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[Assistant] Cause that is winning. And that's what's gonna make you better in the long run. Cause that'll make you stick with things. Make you stick with them.


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[Assistant] Because if you don't enjoy jujitsu, why would you do it for 25 years? If you don't enjoy...


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[Assistant] Music, why would you keep practicing it? So, my final thought on this man, my brother, have some fun with this stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. You gotta figure out that way to leave your job, leave your job at work. Yeaah. Right? We want to excel at it. I just had this conversation with a guy today. Just because, if you're looking at your, you can't


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[Assistant] The way you're gonna do your bot job better as a prosecutor?


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[Assistant] If you do a good job, if you focus on that a lot, and you still do jiu-jitsu, and you still train, and you still get after it, you still, that, how many good ideas, I have so many good ideas that come to me while I'm working out, when uhm, doing yard work, because you gotta get, you gotta give your brain a little space to think.


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[Assistant] It's just like planning a seal operation. If you're sitting there looking at the map from two inches away the whole day trying to get this plan perfect, you're not gonna see everything. And it's the same thing with any job that you have. If you get yourself totally wrapped around that job, you're not gonna have


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[Assistant] The pr- the proper detachment from the job to see the bigger picture. So you must get some space between you and your job so you can think properly.


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[Assistant] That won't help you as much as studying for four hours properly.


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[Assistant] It'll make you better. The same, it's weird. Coincidentally, that's what I just said happens at Jiu Jitsu. Right? Just said that.


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[Assistant] You saved yourself all kinds of time. You actually got your workout. You saved 40 minutes just by doing that. That was your workout.


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[Assistant] Talk to your instructor and say, Hey, I'm working a bunch right now. I got this case going on and I got to get through it. And so I'm only going to come three times a week and all I have time for is just to come in and roll. Is that cool with you? What are they going to say? No.


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[Assistant] The only thing is that, like I just, just saying what I just learned from Dean the other day and how, what other things have I missed?


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[Assistant] I missed it. But you know what I do is I always, uh, like even if I'm, if I get there a little late, I'll be like, I'll look and see what moves they showed and I'll figure out if there's anything I didn't know.


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[Assistant] No, cause I say, hey Jeff, what'd you do today? Or I'll watch guys like, what'd you guys do, what'd you guys go over today? And I'll go, hey Jeff, how does that work? Or I'll say, hey Dean, what's this thing here? So I'll just ask him, you know.


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[Assistant] No, not reached, because like you just said, my learning is developed. So all they need to say is, hey, we went over this escape right here, we went over this finish, and here's how you do it, or this transition.


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[Assistant] Yep, looks like a combat controller. They call in, they call in aircraft, they set up, they call for fire, they set up, uh, they set up airstrips in the field. Really cool job.


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[Assistant] Well, I think you're taking the right approach and that is to ignore it.


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[Assistant] I think there's probably something about your history, right, that people get a little bit either intimidated or uncomfortable with in some way because they think all of a sudden, you know, you're, you're this different type of thing. But I think it is definitely something where, well,


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[Assistant] In the SEAL teams, the minute you say, hey, don't call me that. Like people, that's, that's your nickname for life. If you say that.


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[Assistant] You know, I think, you know, for one thing, it sounds like you're not referring back to your time in the service a lot, but another thing is don't, a subtle thing is don't answer to


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[Assistant] Mr. SF, just don't answer to it. No, not saying you have to be a jerk about it, but if someone says Mr. SF, Hey, Mr. SF, just like keep doing what you're doing until. And so don't reinforce that. That's what they should call you, right? That's just like a basic.


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[Assistant] When, when we work with gas, you know, a bunch of that's maybe that's more on the front line troopers, but man, I met a bunch of no, a bunch of veterans. Uhm, so I don't know. Maybe, maybe they.


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[Assistant] Maybe they saw a little, a little reaction they got from you. So let's make sure we're not doing that. Just ignore it and carry on. The best thing you can do, right? In knowing the SEAL teams, if somebody does something that annoys you, DO NOT.


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[Assistant] Show it. Same thing in like my family with my kids.


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[Assistant] Man, when my kids figure out that something annoys one of my other kids, they just relentless annihilation with that whatever that thing is. And I did that when I was a kid.


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[Assistant] You know, my sisters and I, we were so mean to each other on whatever. And that's sort of, I don't know, I guess that's sort of a tradition in my family is, you know, um, it's sort of a tradition of no emotional mercy, right? If you find something, you're just going to grind on it. And that's the way, that's the way it works. And also no credit.


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[Assistant] No credit will be given. There's no credit will be given. You know, it's just like, oh, oh yeah, whatever. So, uh, but yeah, man, ignore it. They'll get over it.


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[Assistant] We should do another podcast without me where we talk about cheesy movies.


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[Assistant] Really obvious. Your values and your goals should be aligned. They should not be adversarial. They shouldn't be counter to each other.


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[Assistant] If you think about what your goals are, your goals should be set up in a way that they support your values. And vice versa. That's just the way it is. So I'm not sure where this is going to be an issue. If you're setting up goals that are contrary to your values, you've got some issues.


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[Assistant] If you had the goal of winning the blue belt jiu-jitsu championships,


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[Assistant] And in order to win, you, you cheated. Like you...


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[Assistant] Claim someone was reaping your leg and you said, oh, you tap and you get the guy to qualified and you win. That's could be an example, right? Now, do I support that? No, you know, that's wrong. You, you go in against the values of actually the values of martial arts to do that. So you didn't win anything and you didn't achieve your goal because you weren't actually the best.


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[Assistant] So I say no on that one, uh. Another one.


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[Assistant] Let's say you wanted to make a certain level of profit at your company.


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[Assistant] Do I support that? No. Right? And why? Let me tell you why. Because your goal


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[Assistant] Your goal is not even aligned with your goal itself because when you start making


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[Assistant] You didn't win. You might have won in the short term, but you didn't win. And again, you're going against your value. You should have values that you don't want to.


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[Assistant] You know, take profit over making good product. And again, in the long run,


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[Assistant] That value is going to cost you, right? People aren't going to want to buy your product anymore.


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[Assistant] Okay, another one I could think of, like, let's say your goal was to lose weight or to gain weight or whatever. Some kind of positive, physical change.


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[Assistant] And so you're working on it, but then you decide, decide you're going to jump on the steroids, right? You're going to jump on steroids.


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[Assistant] And, and you get that goal, right? Because steroids are a huge advantage. But again, I say no, because if you think about what your goal is, like why are you trying to


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[Assistant] Gain weight or lose weight, your goal is to be healthy. Right? That's your value is you value your health.


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[Assistant] And so when the minute you start doing something that's counter to your health...


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[Assistant] Well, that's not, that's not helping your long term. Your value is not aligned with your goal and your goal is not aligned with your value. So get them lined up.


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[Assistant] Might we at some point compromise our values? Compromise our values to reach a goal? I think that changes the answer a little bit. Right? We might compromise. Remember that question that we had about the people that are snakes and how do you work with them?


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[Assistant] You know, should you work with someone that's dishonest or backstabbing but they're a cog in the machine of your team? And your values, right? They might be to call the person out.


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[Assistant] And say, hey, you're a, you're a backstabber and I don't wanna work with you.


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[Assistant] That might be what your values tell you to do, but your goal...


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[Assistant] And if you do that, first of all, you don't progress. You don't, your team doesn't work better together. They work worse together. And so in the long run, you don't win because you stuck hardcore with your values.


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[Assistant] And by the way, if you stick with your, if you, if you bend your values, compromise your values a little bit to get through this transitional period, now you get promoted. Now you get in a situation where you can fire that person that's a backstabber.


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[Assistant] You, you have to compromise your values as a person a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know there's the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. So you might compromise your values short term, working somebody that you're not totally aligned with value wise. And again, if you're gonna get the long term,


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[Assistant] strategic goal, well then maybe it's worth it because it's going to put you in a position where you can then hold your values better from a, from a senior position or from a more powerful position. So you might compromise them a little bit. Again, these are


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[Assistant] Small compromises, and you should have things, of course we got things that, values that you're, you're never gonna compromise on. Right, uhm, hitting a girl.


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[Assistant] You should, you should never hit a girl, right? Never hit a woman. Now, with that being said,


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[Assistant] If there's a woman that's about to do something truly evil, you know.


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[Assistant] Kill a child or some kind of a terrorist act and the only thing you have that you can stop it is to hit her. Well, guess what? She's getting hit. You know what I mean? So even then.


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[Assistant] You know, as we hold a value, we always want to tell the truth.


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[Assistant] But if you had a, for an extreme example, if you had some kind of a state secret,


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[Assistant] And, and you got captured, well of course you might lie about that, and there's little, I mean we could get into a whole like white lie discussion on stuff, like when your wife asks you how's the chicken, and you want to tell her it's the most dry and, and,


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[Assistant] I guess what I'm saying is, and people, this is the thing, people probably, what they think of my persona,


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[Assistant] Because people will think, oh, Choco's gonna be this uncompromising, never settle, allow no slack kind of person, right? That's what people want, want.


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[Assistant] You don't want, I guess want to see me ass, but the reality is reason, right? Reason and thought.


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[Assistant] Can override values for the right reasons. And that's why we can think. That's why we can think. And there's actually times, there's actually times when holding your values


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[Assistant] And is against your values. Well then you can't back up, you can't hold the value of backing up your friends because guess what? They did something immoral. They did something that was wrong.


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[Assistant] And so, if you held your values, you'd be not holding your values. That's the...


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[Assistant] Dichotomy there, right? That's the dichotomy. And the additional dichotomy is you hold to your values, right? You hold to those basic principles that you believe in.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, you've gotta apply logic and reason to them to make sure that they are supporting your long-term goal and your long-term values.


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[Assistant] You don't wanna make a hard stand on something that costs you everything where now in the future you can no longer manipulate any more situations.


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[Assistant] One of the things that makes leadership and life hard is that it isn't black and white. It isn't black and white, it's grey. And so,


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[Assistant] Our decisions on these very things, these are the challenges of leadership.


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[Assistant] There's no right or wrong answer of saying if it's right or wrong to violate your values to achieve a goal. That initial question, there's too many variables in that. There's too many variables. But start with this part that I started the whole answer with. Align your values with your goal.


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[Assistant] That's where you start and then you use reason.


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[Assistant] I can't even, you know, you could give any of one of your highest values that you could come up with, and you could sit here and theoretically come up with a situation where you would sacrifice that value. Yea, and that's the hierarchy. That's just the way it is.


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[Assistant] So that's why we're humans, we have the ability to think, we have the ability to reason, and sometimes you might have to compromise your values a little bit to...


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. And if someone's going to use steroids to cheat, that's, I mean, even that we can do, it's a whole nother discussion, but what are they really proving? What are they really winning?


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[Assistant] Well, absolutely, uhm, and I'm not 100% sure what situations you're talking about, but


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[Assistant] Any type of danger, right, gives you this fight or flight response. So, train. Starts with training. Jiu-Jitsu, boxing, Muay Thai, wrestling, shooting, competing, competing, right? You get used to those butterflies when you compete. You get those butterflies and you get used to them. And so, train.


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[Assistant] And get used to seeing how that reaction, what that adrenaline feels like. And also get used to understanding what the superior action is, right? Fight or flight. Because sometimes flight is the correct response. Sometimes fight is the correct response.


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[Assistant] But what you want to do is you want to be able to assess and dictate which response you're going to give and not just do whatever your instinct tells you because sometimes your instinct might be wrong.


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[Assistant] And so again, I don't know what you're actually, the situation you're going into, but whatever it is, cause people get the fight or flight response to everyday things too, like public speaking, right? Oh yea. Rock climbing. Uhm, and that's why I say, you know, do these things.


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[Assistant] You're scared of the water? Get worked up and go through swimming and then come scuba certified. Just the things that you're not comfortable with, get comfortable with being uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] You gotta detach a little bit when these things, when you're training, detach a little bit. And see what is going on in your mindset. See what...


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[Assistant] Red flags that you can see what things will make you aware of. The fact that your nerves are your adrenaline and you're feeling yourself clenching your fist. You know, okay, so I'm clenching my fist. Be aware of it. So that you can change it. So you can adjust it.


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[Assistant] And put yourself, again, put yourself into these scenarios and escalate them so they get harder and harder and harder and worse and worse and worse until you're, until you start to get control of these things.


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[Assistant] Like if something happened with somebody you were working with and they lost something and you had to go confront them on it, that would make you get fight or flight.


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[Assistant] Something like that, and for me what it is, same thing, but as soon as I feel it, you know what I do? I go.


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[Assistant] If I have a default, I just default because and it sometimes what bothers me sometimes, you know, you don't always have the opportunity. Like let's say I get an email.


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[Assistant] Someone says, Hey, I really didn't like the way this happened and blah, blah, blah. It'll bother me. And especially it'll bother me if someone will say, Hey, for instance, this is the kind of thing that would bother me is someone says, Hey, you did this.


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[Assistant] It seemed like, you know, you were putting me down in front of all these people. I would feel bad about it, right? And I'd be like, it would dry. And so, the only way for me to get over it,


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[Assistant] Is I want to talk to them and say, hey man, this is what I did. I'm going to send out an email to everyone to make sure that they know that that was, you know, my, what wasn't mine, you know, say that you did a great job or whatever. Just try and make it right. But the only, otherwise it just turns, it burns me up and I have to confront it. I, the thing that bothers me,


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[Assistant] And I used to, like, I recognize this now. When I was younger, I might not recognize it. I would just sit there and I wouldn't know what to do. But now I know the solution. The solution is when something's bothering you, you go and you address the problem. You know, like, my kids will do something and I'll be all angry about it. And I just go, oh, you know, what I need to do is go and talk to them about it. Hey, what are you doing?


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[Assistant] Why did you do this? Here's the impact it has on the family. Here's the impact it has on your life. Here's some other opportunities that you might miss out now. Here's some things that you could do better. You know, here's some corrective actions we could take. Whatever. The worst thing I can do is just sit there and hold it inside. Not a good thing to do.


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[Assistant] Which is really good to go. Your friend sounds like he needs to prioritize and execute and get some follow through going on with that as well. I would say this, you wanna do a little indirect there? What I might do with him is get involved in a project with him. Like pick one of those when he calls up with his hair brained ideas and you think it's a decent one. Say, okay cool, let's rock and roll with that. I wanna get in the game. And then...


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[Assistant] Lay out some deadlines. Like, hey, this is what we need to get done by here. This is what we need to get done by this point. I'll do these four items. You do these four items and that's what we'll get going. Here's the due date that we'll get them done by so we can make this launch. Boom, right? And then you deliver your end. You deliver your end.


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[Assistant] And then when he doesn't, now you can have a better discussion that's not so, uh,


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[Assistant] Aggressive, you have a reason for it, you know? And then...


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[Assistant] That's great. I'm glad you have a lot of great ideas, but it doesn't help. Doesn't get anything done. And ideas without executions, ideas without execution, the ideas themselves literally do not exist. Your idea is worthless. It's totally worthless if you don't execute on it. So,


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[Assistant] You have to execute in the, the execution of ideas into life.


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[Assistant] Right? That's what it is. When you, when you execute an idea, it's creation.


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[Assistant] It's not dreaming, it's not thinking, it's doing. You are creating something. And that's awesome. Like, just creation is...


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[Assistant] Is an awesome thing to be a part of and it's an awesome thing to lead and to take an idea and turn it into something that's real and create and deliver it. That's...


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[Assistant] That's just a hugely rewarding thing in life and he obviously probably hasn't experienced that many times. And so how can you let him know that?


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[Assistant] And again, I think the best way to do that is to join forces with him and drag him along so he can get that feeling of the satisfaction of how good it feels to make something happen.


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[Assistant] If he doesn't, like, if he doesn't do his things, he doesn't do his part, you can coach him, you can prod him along, you can do what you can to help him. But.


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[Assistant] Eventually you gotta go out and make things happen on your own. I mean that's just what you gotta do. And you can't, it's very hard, I can't, I'm not gonna say you can't, but it's very, very difficult to help people.


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[Assistant] I'm an idea guy. And, and you know, you say, okay, cool. I'm going to go over here and actually make things happen. So bye bye your ideas. So if it's someone that's arrogant like that, cause that's, that's a level of arrogance, right? Hey, look, I don't do this little labor stuff. I'm not a guy about execution. What I do is I have ideas.


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[Assistant] Brilliance. That's what I do over here. Those people are not going to help you.


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[Assistant] So uhm, eventually you do what you can to help him out. You try and get him involved in some of your projects. Help, hopefully you can get him all the way through a project where he can see the, and feel the gratification of success and execution and creation. But if he never tastes that blood...


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[Assistant] I guess there's some granularity of, of, you know what's weird?


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[Assistant] It's, it's a dichotomy because the idea is worthless and at the same time it's the most valuable thing, but it only gets value if it gets executed on, otherwise it has zero value.


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[Assistant] The romance story of BJJ. Uh, okay, so, completely dependent on the maturity of the kid. Yeah. And...


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[Assistant] How old was your daughter when she started training? Two?


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[Assistant] Two. Two. Straight up two. Less than two and a half. She's really mature. Really smart. And athletic. And durable. So, that's, that's like as young as you're gonna get. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and, and what, what, how many times a week would you go? Two. And was there other small children in the class? Yes. You had some kind of, you knew somebody that was also bringing their kid in or something like that? Oh. They had a good playmate in there?


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[Assistant] They just think they're gonna hold the person down. They don't know that it's a mount. And they're thinking they're trying to get out of the mount. But they just think they're just trying to get off the bottom.


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[Assistant] And there's some kids that are 11 and 12 years old that aren't ready for jujitsu. They're just not there yet. And I would also say...


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[Assistant] And I backed off in time for my son cause he was younger and I didn't, you know, cause my, my daughters, I was like, compete, train, compete, train, compete. Oh, I'm gonna put you in the heavier weight class, the older kids bracket. I mean, I just did it wrong, right? Just did it wrong. And.


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[Assistant] And I didn't back off in time. And so now they trained, you know, I mean,


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[Assistant] Not as much as they should, right? My son trains all the time.


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[Assistant] But I did a bad job of making jujitsu fun, right? Cause that's, and that's what, you know, that's why I like you, the fact that this question, he's saying, am I starting to be too young or he's going to get crushed? Hey, you shouldn't, you know, Jim, that you take your three and a half year old child to should be allowing him to get crushed. That shouldn't be happening.


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[Assistant] So if you have a good gym, where you've got the right instructor, uhm,


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[Assistant] That then go and let them have fun and make sure it just stays fun. And if they don't love it, you can't make them love it. It's not gonna happen. Now this is a good story. One of my son's friends.


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[Assistant] Who, I always want everyone to train jujitsu, obviously. But this guy's a friend of mine, known for a long time, and has a son that's my son's age, and so they kind of grown up together. And, you know, my son's always training jujitsu, and I would say, hey, you know, when they were six years old, hey, have your son come in and try it. Came in and tried it one day, hated it.


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[Assistant] Year later now, you know, a year, I don't know, something like that. 13 months, 18 months or something.


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[Assistant] Comes in a year later, tries it again, he's like now seven years old.


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[Assistant] Hates it. Just, just doesn't like it. Can't stand it. Then comes in at, you know, nine years old. Comes in, loves it. Trains every day now. You know, he trains all the time. And, and you know, now he's my, and, and, and I'll tell you what, this is what's cool. Is that he's


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[Assistant] It's not like he's a million years. It's not, so my son trained three years more or maybe even four years more than this other kid. My son...


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[Assistant] They're in the same game, right? It's not like, it's not like that my son has this massive lead. No, the kid loves it. And you can learn, you can learn and get better.


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[Assistant] Would not have helped. He would have, he would have quit jujitsu completely. But just having and showing it to him and saying, hey, this is what you do. And you know, he didn't like getting choked, right? That's in, in.


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[Assistant] Maybe that's me and that's my buddy's son. So hey, let's, let's get after it a little bit. We weren't letting him get choked, but he just didn't like the claustrophobia of it, right? And there is claustrophobia. You're going to feel that even in a, even in a gentle situation with a six year old, if you get held down, you don't like it.


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[Assistant] Now he's holding people down himself.


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[Assistant] Basically what I'm saying is forcing someone, a kid to do something for two years? You think you're getting this value two years worth of value? You're not getting two years worth of value. You're actually going the other direction. So you might as well just let them try it occasionally. And I say that sometimes kids


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[Assistant] At my gym, they'll, hey, you know, my son just doesn't want to do it right now. And I go, no problem.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know what I say, they say, I didn't want to make him come. I go, don't make him come. I go, don't make him come. Let him come when he wants to, you know, you're going to stop your membership. That's cool. If he wants to come in on Saturdays, bring him in. You know, he wants to come in once, you know, once a month to just keep him familiar. Do that. Just do that. You don't grind their brains out when they're whatever little kids.


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[Assistant] She doesn't want to train jiu-jitsu, but she wrestles in high school.


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[Assistant] So that's awesome. I think that's an example. But she almost does that just to be, you know, I wrestle. Little does she know.


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[Assistant] Oh, we straight up, if the kid's not ready, we'll say, hey, your kid's not ready. Yeah. You can't, you can't be in here. Yeah. Come back in six months. You want to bring him in to watch on Saturdays? Cool. Get him familiar with that.


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[Assistant] Well, they can't be disruptive or they can't stay. Right, right. Hey, you can't do that.


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[Assistant] You know, I actually took this question from Twitter and I answered the question in one word.


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[Assistant] You've lived a life dominated by doubt and fear. How do you step into bravery?


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[Assistant] That step towards your fear is the step into bravery.


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[Assistant] How do you get to the gym every day?


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[Assistant] How do you overcome fear of failure, or fear of success, or fear of fear itself?


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[Assistant] And how do you face the fear of the unknown step?


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[Assistant] Don't wait anymore. Don't think anymore. Don't plan anymore. Don't contemplate anymore.


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[Assistant] Take action now. And what is the first action that you need to take? What's the first step you need to take?


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[Assistant] Echo Charles, if somebody wanted to step up and support this podcast.


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[Assistant] But if we're listening to podcasts, every time we say what ShroomTech does.


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[Assistant] It means we don't have to run advertisements on the podcast.


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[Assistant] You know what, hold on a second while we go to a commercial break.


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[Assistant] If I remember to do this, I'm going to do like fake commercials during the next podcast or like in a podcast in the future, I'm going to do fake commercials and make everyone just suffer through fake commercials just to see how much it's horrible. And then say, if you never want to hear that again, click through Amazon.


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[Assistant] And what I noticed, I was looking at some other reviews today. Cause I was reading, I read our reviews today.


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[Assistant] To see if there's any good input. There was. Good stuff. I looked at other, what this kind of got me motivated to see.


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[Assistant] Is that the people that write our reviews, they're getting in the game. They're writing full paragraphs with detailed likes and pros and cons and all that. You go to some other people's that have feedback on theirs and it's just two words. Good podcast or I love it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I love it. Five stars. That's, I love it. Five stars is a lot different than someone saying, what I really like about the Jocko podcast is that they go into detail on these leadership elements that have helped me in the following ways, but they go through the whole thing. That's really good support, the podcast.


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[Assistant] And some of them are funny, by the way. And the ones for, for Jaco T that are on Amazon, I'm gonna have to figure out a way to publish those or do something with them, cause some of them are awesome. Eric's was insane, but there's been a few of them.


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[Assistant] So everybody, it's a little hard to retweet them, so I have to figure out a way to retweet them better. A capture screenshot or something. But they're so good, they're so funny.


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[Assistant] Tell Echo on Twitter what excerpts you want so he doesn't have to-


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[Assistant] Figure out what you want. Just tell him what you want. Give him the podcast and the time hack. He'll pull it out and put it on there.


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[Assistant] And so if it's striking one person out there, it's probably striking at least four or five more people that want to hear that excerpt. So let's give it to them.


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[Assistant] That would be easy for you, right? Yes. Because we don't want to stress you out. No, don't stress me. Delicate.


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[Assistant] We know that you're sensitive to that. We don't want to be disappointed.


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[Assistant] They should be, they're listening. They probably have good input.


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[Assistant] They don't wanna watch 29 minutes. That's why it's called an excerpt. Jocko, we gotta store. We do have a store.


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[Assistant] And I'm not going to use any scientific terms. I'm just going to tell you. So it's been, it's been in high demand.


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[Assistant] Logistical issues, right? Straight up. So it's showing up at Amazon, it's getting, going through their system.


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[Assistant] Keep checking back on Amazon. Sign up for the little notification thing. Cause when we, when they clear it through their little system, it shows up and everyone that has the notification is buying it immediately. So it's running out. The other day it was up for 18 minutes or something. It was gone.


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[Assistant] You can sign up for notify me when this is back in stock.


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[Assistant] When that happens, boom, you can order it immediately. The mugs. The mugs that say get after it on them and that have a little, uh, approved symbol with someone's head that looks a lot like me on it. You can get those on Amazon as well. And they're big, they're bigger than normal.


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[Assistant] Because bigger, that way you can fit more white tea in it and be more.


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[Assistant] The way the system works, they're coming in, they show up and then they, and then they take a certain amount of them and put them into the system, but then they don't realize yet at Amazon, Amazon doesn't, they're not in the game yet to be quite honest with you. They're not in the game, they don't understand what's happening. We're trying to explain it to them that people want mugs, they want, when they want


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[Assistant] Mugs. They also want tea to put into the mugs. We're getting there. Same thing. Logistically, we'll get to a point where we will, where we will not run out of mugs now. I don't know if the mugs will keep making forever. I don't know, because once everyone has one, then they'll say, okay, I got mine, so then we'll stop making them. But,


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[Assistant] You can get them on Amazon. You can get the tea on Amazon. You can get the reload, which is 100 bags. You can get the tin, which is quality container.


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[Assistant] That you can then reload with the reload. So do that. That's on amazon.com. Uh, also


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[Assistant] Extreme ownership muster number two. In where? New York City. It's gonna be May 4th and May 5th.


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[Assistant] www.ExtremeOwnership.com Go get registered. Do it fast. The price does go up the closer we get to the date.


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[Assistant] So A, I don't want you to pay more. B, it's going to sell out.


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[Assistant] So the faster you do it, the better chance you have of going and of paying a lower price.


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[Assistant] When we get there, if you're thinking


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna sit there and talk to you, and I'm not gonna sign your book, and Leif's not gonna sit there and talk to you, and Leif's not gonna sign your book. You're wrong. We're gonna sit there, we're gonna sign your book, we're gonna talk to you, we're gonna address your problems, we're gonna hang out. We didn't go behind the curtain.


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[Assistant] Actually we did one, when the thing was over, we walked back off stage, off the stage and behind the curtain for about three minutes. Because we were a little bit fired up at that point. We just walked back there and decompressed. Then came out and started signing books.


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[Assistant] That was one time, but the rest of the time, oh, we'd say, okay, everyone take a 10 minute break. We'd go to the front and sign books.


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[Assistant] Boom. Or talk to people or address something or whatever. So this isn't a thing where you go and we're gonna be behind the curtain and come out like I'm a rock star and I'm not a rock star.


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[Assistant] And my purpose of being here is to hang out. So that's why we're going to the muster. That's why we're having the muster. So come to the muster. New York City. Come and hang out. You're gonna learn something. I'm gonna learn something.


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[Assistant] We're all gonna learn something. And you're gonna meet a bunch of people that are, I hate using this term, a bunch of people that are like-minded.


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[Assistant] Right, because really can two minds be alike? No, they can't be. But, can two people, three people, three hundred, four hundred and fifty people that are going to be in New York City, that all want to get after it? Can they be there? Yes, they can. And they will. In force.


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[Assistant] Until we get to the monster in the meantime, if you want to talk to us, it just so happens that we're all up in the interwebs on Twitter, on Instagram,


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[Assistant] 52 straight weeks, no breaks. But I want to say this, I want to tell you something else. And I want to make this clear.


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[Assistant] Go forward, get aggressive and attack, whether it's on the battlefield or on the beach.


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[Assistant] Or in the factory or on the farm or on the construction site or on the website.


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[Assistant] In the garage or in the firehouse. Don't hesitate.


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[Assistant] My mouth was sand, and when I'd run up to say huyad or the instructor, when I'd say huyad, dry sand would come out of my mouth.


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[Assistant] Do you think that most MMA fighters have what it takes to be seals? The mental and physical, the brutal weight cut, the brutal fight camp and stepping into a cage with a trained and elite opponent.


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[Assistant] And, and there's, in the crossover, it's ultimately just like you said, it's kind of hard to identify it overall. It's real general. Cause like an MMA fighter is training, sure he's training to be a better MMA fighter in general, but...


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[Assistant] Mainly he's training for an event, so he knows, okay, it's gonna be this many rounds, it's gonna be this long per round, I'm gonna get this much rest for this round, and I'm training to win that.


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[Assistant] Real specific. So the training is, if it's good training, it's gonna best train him to function in that event, given the parameters.


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[Assistant] Like, special operations guys, that's kinda, and, uh, uh, I'm not, uh, that guy that you're talking about is not a special operations guy, right? That was just, that was just...


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[Assistant] First off, if the guy, you know how, how you said he's saying it all calm? Like, hey, just go and apologize. That would have made me nervous right there. Like, oh, this guy's too, anyway, but that's the side thing. So, uhm, like, yeaah, so special operations guy.


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[Assistant] Uh, compared to MMA guy, he's, he's about every, he's thinking beyond the fight. He's thinking straight up, this is a battle. So how can I win this war? You know, MMA fighter is thinking like when we fight, how am I going to beat you up with all my skills? And he will, typically he will. Unless you have equal or better skills, you're going to get beat up in a fight. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So, but the tactic, like the other guy, he's thinking tactical. He's thinking, okay, you know, he'll probably, and according to the guys that I hang around with, when they walk in a room, just like a jujitsu guy, when you, when you,


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[Assistant] When a person is presented to you, you're thinking jujitsu already. You're thinking, okay, from here, a solid takedown would come. A special operation, guys.


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[Assistant] And there's the door and you know that, you know, let's say, let's say other guys just came in. Okay. So I got five guys. He has like eight before any fight, no fight, no nothing. This is just the way, you know, the way


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[Assistant] I know that story, by the way, cause a guy, he was a new guy, he was, yea, I'm not gonna say his name, I think he's still in, so I'm not gonna say his name, but he,


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[Assistant] Man, I'm through the cake nuts, you know, they come by and all the- that's how I met JP, kinda the same way, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, remember this guy we trained with? Got his ear bit off, remember? Uh, yeah, Igor. Yeah. Was he in Navy SEAL or is he in your team?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's rough. Hey, remember on Bloodsport? When he was like...


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[Assistant] You know, the coin, you watch, remember, blessed, the guy with the coin, and he's like, hey, you know, whatever, if I can grab it, before you close your hand, and the girl had something to do with it.


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[Assistant] He grabs it, he closes his hand, he's like, ah, you know, I still feel the coin in my hand kind of thing.


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[Assistant] He looks, he switched the coin. That's kind of what your friend did with a cigarette when he shoved it in the guy's sinus cavity. Cause it's like super fast, you know, but precise.


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[Assistant] Jocko, what if I don't have time to explain the why to my troops for a decision I'm making during an operation? U.S. Army First Lieutenant.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like you'd, you'd. Yes, I would. You're like, you got a weak leader and you, and you're kind of, uhm.


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[Assistant] In a way, you're kinda be- being like, hey, alright, you're allowing the excuse to be valid, you know, where- which kinda makes it invalid, really, when you're like, hey, I could step up, but hey, it's the leader's fault, as long as it's not my fault, you know, that my leader's not that good, you know.


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[Assistant] In a way, isn't that you just stepping up and making it happen? I mean, if that's really the, the impending result, like dang, that's, that's kinda where we're gonna arrive at really, given us stepping up. If, if that's how it goes down, that's how it goes down. But you stepped up, you solved the problem. If there was a problem and that was a problem, there's your solution right there.


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[Assistant] To get yourself mentally prepared, focused, and in the proper mindset. So just before carrying out a mission such as self-talk, music, or other actions.


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[Assistant] Or maybe they would do it every night. This is what they do. Alright, let's hear it.


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[Assistant] Then they just kinda listen to it and then they go. Super subtle. Yeaah. Maybe check it out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would imagine some people, you know, cause even the small, I mean really, how, how far you wanna stretch the word like ritual, right? So, but, I'm sure some people would, right? Maybe like, get like a lucky thing, or I don't know.


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[Assistant] But if, if you're just putting your night vision goggles down, that's not really the ritual. But if it's like, I'm gonna put my night vision goggles down after I do this every single time, that's a ritual. Or we all do it together. Like, when it's repeated.


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[Assistant] What can we extrapolate there? So the question is no.


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[Assistant] Really? I mean, you maintain, really, cause the question is, do you do anything ritualistically to get yourself mentally prepared, focused, and proper mindset? So you don't. But you do do things that are rituals. But that's not the question, that's one of the questions. So, you're, the rituals you're talking about in regards to... Oh, yeah, what rituals to


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[Assistant] So your standard operating procedures are rituals by technicality. Sure.


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[Assistant] Bro, I was, I used to play football at UH and we had this, I don't know if you ever watched like football camp. No, no, I'm laying down the set, we already knew that though.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so I was a wide receiver. And for the drills, I was a lot smaller back then. I was like 180, 180.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, one of the drills was this, uhm, if you know football camp, you'll know this. It's like, it's a motor on a big tripod, and on the motor are these spinning tires.


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[Assistant] And they spin this way. There's two, there's three of them. So this, they go, they go on this weird skewed angle. So basically you load a football from the back and you push it through and it shoots the ball like, yeah. And there's different speeds and stuff like that. So, uh, my coach, what was his name?


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[Assistant] Myles. I forget if that was his first name or last name. Anyway, Coach Myles. He wasn't a very nice coach.


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[Assistant] He would like, drill us with it, right? Which is fine. That part is cool because it's training, but the part that I didn't think was very cool was if you missed, like there was, you would pay a price, like he would yell at you. Sometimes, yea, he'd make you run, like if you missed, it wasn't like, it was like,


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[Assistant] To me the punishment, it was wrong, like the system was wrong there. The punishment didn't fit the crime? Well yeah, it wasn't like, this isn't gonna make you better to put more pressure on this drill, you know? It was more like, hey look,


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, good, good. I didn't feel that at the time. And now, I mean, I'd have to think about it more. I haven't thought about it in a number of years.


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[Assistant] Maybe, but maybe not though. No, no, I don't think so, only because I think that you're trying to get the best out of these people, you know, for a specific situation.


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[Assistant] Ritual, mental preparation, whatever. So that would, it would be stressful for me as a young guy. I was like 17 when I started football. I was, you know, late. Anyway, so I'm like one of the young guys and he'd, and so when he'd, he'd do stuff like to make it harder and harder and harder. So of course you're gonna miss.


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[Assistant] So there's this one where he's like, ball! And then, you know, you're supposed to turn around and the ball's on its way. Full speed thing. It's like, and the thing comes real hard. Anyway, so you'd miss, and then he'd get all mad. So anyway, I'm stressed now. Every practice I'm going in, I'm stressed about that one drill that we're gonna do.


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[Assistant] So before practice, we had this cool, real nice facility. There's this lounge where everyone just kind of cruise and mellow out because you go, you know, from class to...


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[Assistant] But I'm visually mentally preparing for the drill. I don't know, this, it just doesn't seem right. Anyway.


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[Assistant] So, yeaah, mentally visualizing the ball coming at crazy speeds. And I'm catching them, catching them all in my little visualization. So, I go, and as time went on, I kept doing that over and over and over. Didn't help to drill at all.


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[Assistant] Failed. Like, as far as any kind of fact, I would catch some, and miss some, get yelled at, more stress, next day even more stress. Same thing, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so yeah, so really, like I said, the SOP by, by technicality, it's a ritual, but here's the thing about it being only technically a ritual, because if you take that away,


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[Assistant] I think you're absolutely correct, and sometimes, cause I would fall, like, especially when you're young, you're like, just anything that'll help me, you know, like, did I tie my shoes in the wrong, you know, like superstition goes in there, you know, you know that feeling where you're like, dang, you're just stressed about something, so anything that'll help.


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[Assistant] And then after a while you kinda go to yourself, man, it doesn't matter what order I put my shoes on right now. It doesn't matter what color my socks are right now, you know? Man, I used to have this thing where...


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[Assistant] I'd be stressed to go to school for whatever it is, like intermediate, you know, when you're like a new school year, it's just a little bit stressed, not full on, but still is looking for little things. So.


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[Assistant] Is this weird? Even thinking about it right now is so weird. Uhm, so, I'd have, uh, you know, music in your car on a tape. So,


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[Assistant] I liked, uh, Bushwick Bill, who's a rapper and ghetto boys anyway. And it had, you know, a bunch of swearing in it, but it was just a great, great album. And I liked it, but I had it strangely in my mind. If I listen to like negative stuff.


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[Assistant] I'd have a negative day. And some people might say like, well, that's kind of true, but no, I don't think so. I think it doesn't matter really what music you, maybe it might, certain music might put you in a certain mood, but that's up to you.


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[Assistant] Negative day, yes. And not the kind, not the kind where it's like, I'm gonna listen to this and then I choose to go, this will fire me up to do whatever. It wasn't that, it was a superstition is what it was. And I'm saying, my point for the whole thing is, you don't like how people, like, basically hang their success or failure on some visualization or some ritual. Yes. And agree that the point I'm making is, I would have to, like, remind myself of that.


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[Assistant] Man, the music, like nothing bad's gonna happen to me because I listen to Bushwick Phil talk about this thing, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I agree, I agree with you. Stick with that. Don't let anyone sway you. Don't let them. Still a ritual by technicality though. Jocko.


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[Assistant] And when it's best to just go for it. And when making a plan without the time to do so is the best course.


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[Assistant] Uhm, question. So dojo loyalty versus freedom.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, like, like what you, like, so I taught you this, so now you need to go and not mess it up, or you gotta represent, or is it like, don't use this to, I don't know, like, what do you mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you can coach up and stuff. Like, people learn from you. I know, like, a lot of stuff I learned from you, you know, and like, you're like, uhm, a tutelage, whatever, you know, like,


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[Assistant] You train with Jeff all the time, you're gonna learn some real creative, dynamic stuff. You learn from Dean, you're gonna, you know, learn a lot of stuff like in, you know, in that way. So, so I think a lot of people still, even though you're not an instructor, they do learn a lot from you.


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[Assistant] And, and also striking when you're training striking. Jujitsu, sure, you learn moves from the co- your instructor. You learn, you know, some timing stuff, but it's like instruction, but then.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think sucher I agree with. And here, everywhere is kind of different. Here is kind of a situation here in Southern California. Especially in San Diego. It's a ridiculous situation.


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[Assistant] Yes, you can literally walk comfortable, comfortably. It's like what? One block to the next one. And it's a good one too, that's the thing.


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[Assistant] So you figure in San Diego, what's going to kind of be a result of that is like our situation for example.


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[Assistant] We have Dean, who's kind of the, the main guy who kind of came in with the school, right? I remember Dean had the small kind of school to the boxing club, came to throw down, is what it was called, became victory.


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[Assistant] But with Dean was like a bunch of guys, like you, Elias, James Nilsen, some other guys from Fabio Santos. And we all trained together. Elias was an instructor, like all these guys. And then some guys went and opened their own school. Now, so not as a result of that whole situation.


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[Assistant] Sure, we have other schools, but they're kind of still our guys in a weird way. They're different things. So if I go train with Elias, which I Johnny for you, another one, you my instructor for a little while.


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[Assistant] I'll go train with Johnny sometime. And then, is that a, is that a cringy situation? Is that a crime? Yea, I mean even technically is that a cringy situation?


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[Assistant] These are guys who came from other academies, and they invite whoever. And they actually have.


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[Assistant] Yep. You can go visit all the time. You know, everyone knows each other. So yeah, the culture is different.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he was good. And that's the cool thing. You said it. Dean said it. He said, I encourage you to go to other gyms.


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[Assistant] Actually, it wasn't about Eddie Bravo's one, but it was about something else I did tell you. And he said the same thing. He was like, bro, you get as much training as you can. You know, if you want to, if you want to be a part of this association, academy or whatever, then that's up to you.


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[Assistant] And I'm glad you're here or whatever, and I don't think personally that you're gonna do it, but probably you're here to learn jujitsu. And if you can learn some jujitsu over there, like more of a certain type than you can here or anywhere, fine. Go do it. Yeah, he said the more jujitsu you learn, the better. So I was like dang.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And then, and then, so even to kind of go above and beyond that is when you, okay, let's say.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you'd really, as a quote-unquote customer or member, I mean, everyone's, they're sure there's exceptions to this, but generally, you don't want that anyway, even if you think you do, like,


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[Assistant] I sh- I can be free to come and go, and technically you are free to come and go. As you- as you are. But don't think that, like, everyone's gonna be just 100% fine with it all the time. Because when you- when you- when you come in, like how you said, like,


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[Assistant] It's a kind of a two way street. You would, or hopefully, I hope my coach takes pride in what he taught me. I hope my coach is like, I care about how good you become. I hope he's not the guy who's like, give me the check.


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[Assistant] Teach my moves and who cares about how good you get and I don't want that guy. You don't want that guy.


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[Assistant] So there is that, and so that makes sense. It is that two-way street. But as a competitor or practitioner or guy learning, as a student, uhm, especially when you reach a certain level and you've been training with kind of the same, even like 20, 25 guys, we'll say, you've been training with these same 20, which is a lot of guys by the way, that's what we train with. You've been training with them for, I don't know, whatever, eight years, we'll say.


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[Assistant] And then you go to another gym. Man, that's a way different look. So it's like fresh, brand new types of training, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, see, and that's part of my point where if you train with 25 guys, those 25 guys, they know your game. And not to say it's not good training, it's good training, but they know your game. So it may not be as accurate as far as like training competition or something like that after a while. So when you go to these new places, you get, that's an additional layer of training you get.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, man, and that, that, that can, and the fact that, and I talk to Brady about this every once in a while, where you go in jujitsu and it seems like everyone just identifies with each other, and later on you find out, oh shoot, that guy's like a lawyer, and that guy's a doctor, or that guy's like a different religion. That guy's a plumber, and that guy's a whatever.


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[Assistant] Yep, everyone gets along and the black belt, he has so much like, he tumble like for the most part, it's pre- it's pretty, you know, everyone's really good in jiu-jitsu.


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[Assistant] Right, and that's why you can kind of, especially if you're kind of new or maybe like the first year or something like that where you're going around.


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[Assistant] And dang, my whole year of jujitsu has been great. People come on the mat and they're, oh my gosh, all my new friends? That's a big one, man. All my new friends is so cool and I got this whole thing. It's like, it's, your whole life is better. And then, so your guard is down in, in a, almost like a conditioning way. You're just like, hey, if you're into jujitsu, you must be dope.


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[Assistant] In every way and then you get these like outliers that they're in the game, you know, and they-


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[Assistant] And they take advantage, like, or they can, you know? They can, for sure. And some do. But yea, you gotta, you gotta always kinda watch out for that kind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and even that, that's kind of weird and interesting too, where abuse can come in weird different forms too, you know? Like if...


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[Assistant] Cause there's a difference between, okay, so like Jeff Glover for example. If you, if Jeff Glover is, cause he has fun when he rolls, that's a big part of his, his game. And uhm, let's say, oh, I'm a new white belt, maybe, you know, and I come and roll against Jeff Glover and he'd end this, let's say it's a, I don't know, six minute round and just in training and Jeff taps him out 25 times.


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[Assistant] That's not, that's not abuse. You know, you're just, he's just doing some missions on you, he's doing his thing or whatever. If someone's like grinding you and, and doing, you know, abusing you or trying to make you look stupid or something like that because like, oh yeah, I know jujitsu, you don't kind of thing. Or maybe there's some girls that he's trying to, then that starts to get into abuse. But.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean by so like dynamic as far as like recognizing what abuse is. Cause if you get tapped out 25 times and it seems like dang you didn't have to like


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[Assistant] Go black belt on him. He's a white belt. Well, yeah, he went black belt on him, but he wasn't abusing him. You know, I mean, that's like that that's a well within the confines of the game for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, most of the bowing to the instructor in jujitsu is more like bow, it's like bow to jujitsu almost, like, and not bow like bow down, it's more, it's like show respect, like, if you go to even more traditional schools, uhm, even when Morongo was teaching at our school, you know, you bow to,


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[Assistant] All the instructors, because they're the ones providing the jujitsu. And then you bow to Helio Gracie. Cause he's the one who kinda, you know, so it's more about the jujitsu. Not like bow to your shin.


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[Assistant] Give me the respect I deserve. Give me the respect I deserve. Give me the respect I deserve. Give me the respect I deserve.


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[Assistant] Jocko, I have had a few rough months. Some setbacks at work that hurt me financially, which has stressed out my family. I'm late on some payments. I'm falling further behind at work. I don't wanna tap out, but I just don't know where to start.


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[Assistant] Enforcements. Not reinforcements. Enforcements. Yes. So, indeed. A few ways. Uh, first, on top of supporting this podcast, you're gonna wanna support yourself, I think. Supplementation. We always talk about this, I know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, anyway, on it, has the best supplements, we all know this, krill oil, got my krill oil in. Echoes of the game. Actually, I'm staying on it.


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[Assistant] Every month. Anyway. So, Onnit. Onnit.com slash Jaco 10% off, so supplement your wallet as well. So, Acryl oil, that's for your joints. Warrior bars as well. I think that one's a good one.


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[Assistant] So, uh, I used to take Shroom Tech all the time and be like, and I felt, and I felt like it kind of gave me an advantage. Cause you know how cardio conditioning stuff is a tool in Jiu Jitsu, or can be if you use it? Do you think that's an advantage?


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[Assistant] Oh so what you're saying is- Do you think taking shroom tech is like, oh he took shroom tech, doesn't count. Okay. Cause I took shroom tech and tapped out someone who I don't tap out. There's two ways to look at that.


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[Assistant] It's like when you run the 100 meter dash and the wind, if there's a strong wind, like you'll get the record but there's a star there, it actually says wind aided record. Oh really? It says wind aided. Yea, still your record but it's wind aided so everyone knows that. Oh yea, they try and do you like that. So yea, when you get your shroom tech and you set your PR in, you know, in like a WOD or something like this.


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[Assistant] You don't have to do that. I wouldn't do that. Maybe I would. I don't know. But you might. Anyway, nonetheless, Shroom Tech sport though. There's two. There's Shroom Tech, uhm.


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[Assistant] What's the other one? The shroom tech something else. I'm talking about the sport. It's both dope. The shroom tech immune. Yes, yes, yes. Immune. Luckily I haven't been- Yeah, I take the sport. I'm already immune. Yeah, luckily I haven't had to take the immune, yeah. But no, that's for general immunity, right? That should boost the thing. But anyway, uhm, that one probably not a pee. Performance enhancing supplement.


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[Assistant] Maybe it is, indirectly. Anyway, on it, uh, it's there from on it. You get 10% off on it.com slash jaco. Pick the alpha brain to think a little better. Like it makes you think it's proven, by the way.


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[Assistant] That ain't a lie, it's legitimately proven. Not like the 19%.


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[Assistant] So he emails me and says, I was gonna bring the email and read it, it's like short. So he's like, uhm, he's like, hey man, uh, I, I tapped, my judicial journey's going awesome, uh, I tapped out my first blue belt today. Dang. And he said, guess what I was wearing.


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[Assistant] He said, I'm not going to attribute it to the rash guard specifically, but let's, let's face it. It was the rash guard. Okay. So that being said, there's some trooper rash guards on jocostore.com. I redid the website by the way.


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[Assistant] Technically, I guess, I mean apparently 19 to 35 percent. Really that's the range.


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[Assistant] Evidently. Anyway, cool rash guards, you can check those out. JockoStore.com. Uh, there's some shirts there, too.


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[Assistant] I'm telling, no, I'm saying, cause it, you know why it's starting to become a thing? Cause it, cause it is a thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, later, later one. Yeah, that might be dope. Either way, he was saying how he recognized the shirt.


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[Assistant] What that it does is anytime you shop on Amazon, just click through on our website, jocopodcast.com. Uhm, or the store, there's a little section there.


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[Assistant] That's a good way to support the Amazon. So yea, on the website again, you just click on the Amazon link before you do your shopping. Then boom, support. Actively. Efficiently. Solid. Uhm, and then of course, subscribe.


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[Assistant] On the, uh, on iTunes, on the iTunes, or Stitcher. And there's some other like- Google Play is now- Yea, yea, yea, Google Play. Uhm, yea, that's a good- There's a bunch of those little podcast apps. But yea, be a subscriber, man.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know how like people they'll celebrate, hey I got to, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, nonetheless, subscribe. Uhm, that's how you can support. And YouTube, subscribe to that, you know? If you're down, if you're into YouTube and watching videos, uhm, subscribe to that. I think I'm gonna put out another one here pretty soon. Yeah, we hear that quite a bit. We are gonna put out another one.


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[Assistant] We hear that a lot. We hear that a lot. I know, you know, hey, it kinda like the email list, you know how like, oh, that, okay, I'll talk about it in a second, but, you know like the email list where you sign up, the insiders list, you sign up, and be like, hey, I'll send you, you know, we'll send you some stuff.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, that's not. That's the artist right there. Uhm, I'll, uh, uh, yeah. We'll do some more videos. How about that?


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[Assistant] I see what you're doing, you're just like, stroking my ego, like, oh, we're waiting for your next video, uh, whatever. And I'm like, yes, they're waiting for my video. I'm gonna put on the video, be like, yes, I wanna, my video, guys. And he's like, have you ever made a video?


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[Assistant] I have a whole series. Oh, yeah. Bro, I'm telling you, bro, it's yeah, there's like one of them's called, um,


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[Assistant] For people you find on Facebook, and like Conan's in it, it's like the people who take, one of them is like the people who take pictures of, uhm, themselves, but they wanna act like they're taking a picture of something, you know, but it's like a, I dunno, it's like this thing and it just didn't come out good.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so yea, support that way. Uh, back to the store. Jocko store. Uh, there's some new stuff.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I mean, if, if I didn't have Debbie and everyone saying, where's the girl stuff or, you know, and they're just like, all right, you know, like not saying this is the thing.


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[Assistant] Okay, so in that regard, I'm not saying this is proof, but this is evidence. And this happened more than once, by the way. So.


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[Assistant] There'd be times I'd be like, Oh, I'll just send it to you. Like it got lost in the mail or whatever. I'll just send it. So I just send it. And they're like, no, no, I, I do. Oh, no, no. Here. This is what it was too. And that happened before, but here's, there's a very specific one I'm thinking about where I sent apparently two shirts. They got two shirts. They were supposed to get one. They're supposed to get one. Yeah. And they were like, I got two shirts. I'm keeping them.


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[Assistant] There are enforcements out there who embrace the reinforcing. That's why, that's why I think this is relevant.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe, just like the ritual thing. Maybe. Dug in.


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[Assistant] It's the first time I'm saying it publicly, but there's hoodies and they're, they're pretty cool. Apparently that's what people have been saying. You know, you don't go said so good. I like them. Um, also I, I'd redid the patches where they're, they're FD, you know, how JP last week said federal dark earth.


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[Assistant] Apparently it's flat, dark earth. Not to be confused with flat earth. That's when people think the earth is flat.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so let's come as far as the new stuff on JockoStore.com. Nice. So yea, look at that. JockoStore.com, look at, uh, the stuff on there. If you like it, go grab one. You can, uh, enforce, reinforce and support this podcast that way.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 63 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.


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[Assistant] I serve in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.


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[Assistant] I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender my men while they still have the means to resist.


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[Assistant] If I am captured, I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.


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[Assistant] I will give no information or take part in any actions which might be harmful to my comrades.


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[Assistant] If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.


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[Assistant] When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war? I am bound to give only name, rank, service number, and date of birth.


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[Assistant] I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.


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[Assistant] I will never forget that I am an American fighting man, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free.


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[Assistant] I will trust in God and in the United States of America.


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[Assistant] The Code of Conduct for the Armed Forces of the United States.


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[Assistant] And it was written in response to the brutal treatment.


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[Assistant] Of the 7,190 Americans captured by the enemy during the Korean War. Prisoners who were subjected to torture.


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[Assistant] Indoctrination, brainwashing, and forced confessions.


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[Assistant] And that version of the code that I just read is almost exactly the same as the one that I learned in the military when I joined in 1990. They did


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[Assistant] Make some changes to it. They changed it to include men and women. And they changed two words to give some flexibility.


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[Assistant] To increase survivability and psychological recovery from torture.


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[Assistant] And so the little changes that were made, it changed from the prisoner being bound to give only name, rank and service number and date of birth to the prisoner being required to give name, rank, service number and date of birth.


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[Assistant] Should we ever be captured and held as prisoners by the enemy?


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[Assistant] But the code of conduct gets tested.


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[Assistant] Unlike any other document in the world.


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[Assistant] When our American servicemen and women are somehow captured


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[Assistant] And as prisoners of war face absolutely ruthless levels of torture, pain, suffering, disease, starvation, humiliation, and perhaps the most devastating hopelessness.


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[Assistant] One who, during almost a full year of horror upon horror at the hands of his captors in Vietnam, man who persevered and fought with every ounce of his soul,


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[Assistant] To survive against the worst possible conditions imaginable.


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[Assistant] Retired Army Colonel William Bill Reader.


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[Assistant] Sir, thank you so much for being here tonight.


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[Assistant] I want to just, before we jump into the book, if you could just talk a little bit about you growing up.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump into the book here. You, uhm, you spent your first tour in Vietnam. I think it was your first tour in Vietnam you were flying the, the Mohawk? Right. Okay, so first tour in Vietnam, and by the way,


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[Assistant] You know, we were talking before the podcast about how much risk you guys took in Vietnam as pilots. It's actually crazy and we'll get into more of that, but one of the things that struck me as I'm in the beginning of your book and you're talking about how you got shot down on your first deployment to Vietnam as a pilot.


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[Assistant] This is what happened when you got shot down for the first time. Took a 37 millimeter anti-aircraft hit in the right wing, attacking a fuel depot hidden under the trees.


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[Assistant] Classified mission in Laos over the Ho Chi Minh trail. I pulled up from a rocket run. Wham! The whole right side of the aircraft seemed to explode. We tumbled out of control. The right wing shattered and was on fire. Worked it hard. Got back some ability to fly. Got the fire out.


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[Assistant] But we were descending fast. Could not hold altitude. Gave the command to eject. The observer went out. I pulled my seat handle right after. I had a very short parachute ride. Only got partial chute deployment before hitting the ground with a FUD. We were crashing through the treetops by the time I punched out.


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[Assistant] So, so for those people that don't know what all that means right there, that means, you know, when you pull an ejection handle on a, on a, when you're in a plane, it ejects you out. But you're supposed to do it with some level of altitude. Right. Not when you're hitting the treetops. So.


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[Assistant] You're hitting the treetops and that, and the canopy not opening all the way, that means that the full usage of the parachute isn't there, it's just sort of getting opened and then boom, hits the ground.


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[Assistant] By the way, so this is what happens once you get on the ground. Here we go, back to the book. Then I was nearly captured. I ran through the jungle 45 minutes while my wingman put down suppressive fire. That earned me the nickname Lightfoot.


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[Assistant] Got plucked out of the jungle by an Air Force helicopter from the 20th Special Operations Squadron out of Thailand called the Call Sign Pony Express. Spent some time in the hospital there. Eventually I returned to the unit back to flight duties.


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[Assistant] This is incredible. We lost 15 airplanes at that point out of 18. 30 crew members shot down, not many of them ever recovered. I was one of the few. Lousy odds. I was scared then, I'll tell you. If you don't get scared in combat, you're a liar or nuts. Only after a tense mission is over does the real fright come.


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[Assistant] When there's time to sit and think, you watch it all play out in your mind and wonder how the hell you lived through something like that.


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[Assistant] So again, we were talking before, before we pressed record about the, you know, about how protective America is of its aircraft right now. I can't even imagine you guys had 15 out of 18 airplanes that were shot down. That's, that's insane.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that's a totally different mentality than we have now. Totally different mentality.


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[Assistant] Did they develop the Mohawks for Vietnam? Because it's an interesting aircraft. It's a side by side, and it's a prop plane too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's weird. Those bureaucratic spats happen and decisions like that get made. That's really disturbing. So let's get into your second tour. Right.