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[Assistant] There's things that happen. I get that there's things that happen to people. You mentioned one of them. You can get a disease that you can't control. You know, you can get, uh, you can have a child get hit by a car. I mean, there's awful things that can happen that you can't have control over.


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[Assistant] But what you can have control over is how you proceed and how you go forward. And that's the part that you need to focus on because


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[Assistant] The opportunity to fix what happened in the past, it's gone. I'm sorry. There's no time machine. There's no way of going back.


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[Assistant] But you don't walk around carrying that because it doesn't matter anymore. And it's the same thing with the things I've been through. It's like, okay, look, I made mistakes. You've made mistakes. We've all made mistakes.


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[Assistant] Okay, what are we gonna do? Are we gonna dwell on those and let them, you know, bear down on us and even things that we can't control? Maybe the mistake wasn't ours or something that we couldn't control? Not gonna carry that.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna, not gonna carry that regret. I'm gonna say what, what can I do to move forward? And actually there's a great guy I just had on the podcast named Rob Jones. He's a Marine. He fought in Iraq and in Afghanistan and he ended up, he was a, he was a


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[Assistant] Bomb disposal, digging for mines, a combat engineer, and he ended up finding a mine. And he found that mine, you know, with his own feet. And he lost both of his legs. And he said something that was awesome. He said, you know, you've got this weight.


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[Assistant] By the way, if you get too close, actually it goes way beyond singeing mustaches. If you go too close you can kill friendly troops. And again, we're back to what we just talked about. So that's, that's a nightmare.


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[Assistant] Sometimes people, they, they, they hear, like, they'll read the book Extreme Ownership that we wrote. And they go, okay, cool, all I need to do is take ownership of the problems, and then I'm, then I'm a good guy. Right? They go, oh, you know, hey, these mistakes happened, it's my fault, you know, so let's get them fixed. And it actually doesn't work. Actually,


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[Assistant] And, and, and when I say, hey, there was all these mistakes that were made on the battlefield and different people made actual mistakes. They made mistakes.


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[Assistant] Hey, my boss states, it's, you know, oh yeah, that was my fault. No, no, no. It actually is my fault. I have this conversation too, where people say,


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[Assistant] Well what if I do, what do I do if I tell my employees, oh guys it was my fault. And then my employees say, yeah that's right it was your fault. And the people don't know what to do. And I said, well.


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[Assistant] The only way to get out is to find solutions for the problems and move forward. So it's an interesting, uh, it's interesting.


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[Assistant] I just looked at my watch, we've been going for about 2 hours and 45 minutes. I say we wrap up this run.


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[Assistant] Echo, you got anything else? Have you said anything today? No. Okay, do you have anything to add?


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[Assistant] Charlie Plums or anything else you wanna, you wanna say?


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[Assistant] Obviously thank you for coming, for coming on the show, both of you. It's...


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[Assistant] It's such an honor to be sitting here with you guys and also we wouldn't be sitting here if it wasn't, you know, for men like you that stood up and fought.


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[Assistant] That's why we're here, and that's why we have the freedom to be here.


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[Assistant] Take care of your family or go out and build some kind of a corporate empire. You can do it here and you can be happy in any one of those categories and it's amazing. So thank you for coming on and


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[Assistant] Answering the call to fight then our great nation would have perished long ago and it would have perished to tyranny and it would have perished to darkness. But because


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[Assistant] And light to the world. So thank you both for giving that to us.


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[Assistant] I got a little, uh, off track at the end there. I know that we were going to mention at least some social media and Charlie Plum's information. I failed to do that. We're now back in the studio to do that right now. So if anybody wants to link up with


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[Assistant] Captain Charlie Plum. You can find him on Twitter.


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[Assistant] He is at Captain, Capt Plung Plum. So C-A-P-T-P-L-U-M-B. That's on Twitter. He's also Charlie Plum on Facebook, or you can go to CharliePlum.com if you want to get in touch with him. Also, if you do want to find either myself or


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[Assistant] Echo Charles, you can find us also on Twitter, on Instagram, and also on the Facebook-y.


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[Assistant] You can find us there. Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink and


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[Assistant] If you want to support this podcast in any way, Echo, how can we do that?


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[Assistant] Flagship, yes. Yeah, that's the origin of origin is to make jujitsu gi's in America. Yeah, but now we're making all kinds of stuff.


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[Assistant] Not just rash guards. Yeah, compression. Compression gear.


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[Assistant] Are we calling the rash guards compression gear? I don't know. You were gonna have to figure that one out.


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[Assistant] Compression gear sorta sounds all technical. Rashguard's sorta the reality of the scenario in the surfing situation.


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[Assistant] You know what we mean. You know where we're coming from on that one.


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[Assistant] And they got a little bar, you'll see it. Go there, go to originmain.com.


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[Assistant] You know what? You should start seeing it in the mail. Yo, they're getting it. People have it now.


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[Assistant] And yea, if you want more, you can get it there. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that thing was calling you out. Who called out who now?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's functional. It's functional, and I guess the word is fitness, even though I don't like that word.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for that book, actually get it from CharliePlum.com. Okay. That's the best place to get that book.


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[Assistant] Sarah Armstrong bought something big. I forget what. A lawnmower.


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[Assistant] Other creative short films by one Echo Charles. Sure. With people that we know acting in them.


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[Assistant] Well, we, meaning everyone that listens to this, and myself, we will be the judge of that. Especially people that are from the North of America. Yeaah. Or Canada.


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[Assistant] Jock-a-white tea. You can get that through Amazon. You just search jock-a-white tea, then you order it, and then you drink it, and then you start throwing things around and smashing everything around you. That's what it does. No big deal. Be prepared.


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[Assistant] Do you have some books there too? You can get them. Way of the Warrior Kid. That's a kid's book. Extreme Ownership. That's a book about leadership. Discipline Equals Freedom. Field Manual. That comes out October 17th. It's...


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[Assistant] It's a book about getting after it. For lack of a better word. Now what's interesting about this is the book is, the book is not going to be


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[Assistant] Available through Audible itself. It's going to be available through MP3 platforms such as...


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[Assistant] iTunes, Google Play, what other platforms are there?


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[Assistant] Multi-hour drone of talking it's caught up as an album with tracks Which seems to be the way that way you can utilize it for? Just quick listening for almost like you'd use psychological warfare album


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[Assistant] No, it's not a story. No, it's not a story. No, it's not a story. I mean, discipline equals freedom. Field manual is not a story.


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[Assistant] It's a field manual. Sure. It's instructions. So you can get that there for your business. Echelon Front Leadership. Me, Leif Babin, JP Denell, Dave Burke, if you want to get tied into that, if you want us to come out and work with your company, info at echelonfront.com.


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[Assistant] So, that is that. Those are all great ways to support this podcast.


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[Assistant] We appreciate it and thanks to everyone for your support and


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[Assistant] Mostly for listening to the podcast, especially those that are out there in uniform.


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[Assistant] That provide the freedom and protection that we will never take for granted.


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[Assistant] To make something out of the freedom that you have, don't waste it.


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[Assistant] And the way that you get the most out of your freedom, I'll tell you about what way that is. The way you get the most out of your freedom is discipline. That's how you get the most out of your freedom.


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[Assistant] Push yourself hard, get things done, create and build and make yourself the best you that you can.


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[Assistant] Right into it. Alright, let's do it. Jocko. Hey, Jocko. As the director of our sales department, I require my guys to fill out sales call interaction logs. I have one guy who thinks because the sales are up, this no longer is important, nor does he have the time. How do you handle situations like this?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. That scenario kinda reminded me of...


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[Assistant] One of my, it was a friend of a friend. And it was actually my friend's friend's wife. And she was saying, yeaah, she was kind of making light of the fact that they force their kids to watch


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[Assistant] Uh, charge your game or something on this day or whatever. And the kids don't like football. Or the kid, the one kid.


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[Assistant] Don't like, doesn't like football, doesn't like watching football, doesn't like this whole thing, and she was like, oh no, it's a tradition, you know, so, you know, we make them do it, it's a tradition, all this stuff.


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[Assistant] I'm kind of thinking like, okay, I mean, that's cool that it's like your tradition, but like no one likes it. Like, so what is the tradition doing? I mean, I understand like if you have a tradition, everyone likes it. Or the tradition and it improves like, I don't know, the cohesion of the family and or something like that. And you know, for all these beneficial reasons and one way or another beneficial.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you're doing it just for the sake of, you know, the tradition, like this paper.


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[Assistant] That's what started my whole argument right there. It wasn't an argument, but that's what started my little discourse.


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[Assistant] Yeah, do you think that there's an element of like a prayer? You know how like when you're a kid and you hit like 13?


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[Assistant] But, the tradition just for the sake of the tradition. Cause actually my whole argument with the lady was that ye- was-


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[Assistant] Jocko, as a leader, at what point am I allowed to go to others and say, I need you because I recognize I'm not capable of pushing toward- forward on my own? Or should that be an instance where I need to take a step back and apply more discipline to my life and find a way to push forward by myself?


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[Assistant] Go ahead. No, but you know how like, let's say it's like something that's just a pain in the ass, and you don't really need help, but you just don't want to do it by yourself.


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[Assistant] Really clear because it's because, quote unquote, because I recognize I'm not capable of pushing. You know, it's kind of like, it's obvious to you that you need help. It's not that you're, you know, raking leaves and I don't want to do this all by myself. So, hey, you know, you tell your brother, come help me. It's not that it's different.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Got your back. Next wish.


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[Assistant] What's the best way to deal with feedback you don't agree with? My manager give- my manager gives me feedback on my personality that I don't agree with.


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[Assistant] I'm only in the company five months and he doesn't know enough about me to make the comments he's making.


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[Assistant] I find myself wanting, wanting to contest with what he's saying, but I believe this will ultimately end poorly for me. It's frustrating for me to listen to feedback from him about my personality when my friends and family would disagree with me.


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[Assistant] Okay, I overdid that just a little bit. If you say it in that tone, yeaah, it's, it's, but, nah, some people, some people, they'll take notes. You know how, like, some people, they like taking notes? I kinda feel good.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, see, again, with the tone. I think, you know, there's that middle, middle ground, I think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I heard that too, uhm, and I was like, eh, that sounds cool, but I mean, you know, maybe, maybe not, because if someone says something, it's pretty clear. But then I, it kind of stuck with me, and it's true. Like, I could literally say the same, like, I don't know, ten words to you in all these different tones, and they would mean ten different things. Oh, for sure. Like, you can,


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[Assistant] It's actually baffling and surprising how much we can actually communicate. Like if I, if I make a joke to you, like something, you don't know my level of sarcasm, you don't know necessarily, you have to know the person, you know, like, so there's all these things that have to be in place for you to effectively be communicated to. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Let's say you overhear a conversation in the next room.


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[Assistant] Like you could easily miss the whole point of the conversation even though you heard every word. Because you don't know if they're joking, you don't know if they're serious, you don't know if one guy's mad, you don't know if one guy's getting scolded. And they can take the same exact- or they can say the same exact words, but they're just saying different things coming from different places. That's where you would-


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[Assistant] And then even with that, see bruh, there's no escape from this. Even with that, you could easily come off as like too rigid or maybe, or it's like, dang, is this guy, does this guy not like me? You know, like it's your sex.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, see but you're like that in real life too though. That's the thing. Like if-


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[Assistant] Like if you, you know that you're running the risk of sounding too, like,


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[Assistant] You know, like stoic or whatever, you know, like if you, if you have to answer a question with yes, when in whatever the question is, it's a yes or no question and you answer yes.


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[Assistant] Affirmatively, right? You'll put, yes, period. And that'll come off as like, aw, Jock was like, I don't know, what up with this guy? Is he just too serious or something? You know? Instead of, yes! Exclamation point. Yes, two exclamation points.


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[Assistant] Uh, the vowel in the word will, they'll be like, that's, that can be infinite.


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[Assistant] Like if I put, I don't know, you know how like you'll tell me something exciting, and I'll put, I don't know, I'll put dang, instead of D-A-N-G, I'll put D-


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[Assistant] Maybe 10 N's, 3 G's, all capital, then, you know, then, so it depends, it just depends.


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[Assistant] Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. Okay. Jocko. What is the difference between extreme ownership versus the easy button? Can you elaborate? I just need a little more clarification to connect the dots in my situation.


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[Assistant] Dearest Jaco, a question for you and the podcast. Our fire department promotion process has role-playing scenarios. In those role-playing scenarios, I lose points because I'm not outwardly passionate, quote-unquote, enough.


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[Assistant] I would have to fake it to succeed and I'm not a fake person. Is this worth it? To fake it when seeking promotion? It's not like I'm gonna fake it once I attain the promotion.


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[Assistant] It's kind of part of the game, you know, and, and it does help the people around you too. Like it's like, okay, he's fired up. Okay, maybe I'm not fired up now, but he's kind of getting me fired up, you know, and it kind of like helps the team. But yeah, sometimes it doesn't feel that comfortable to do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's really what it is, right? Like the honesty. When you're a fake person. So, like, if someone's like, oh I'm faking it, or I'm being a fake person, how you say it? A fake person.


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[Assistant] Like turning on some passion, some manufactured passion for the sake of the team and stuff like that. That doesn't feel like you're a fake person. A fake person is kind of like you'll sit like some, I don't know, for example, someone's in the room and you're like, hey, you're great, that shirt looks great and you're doing a great job. They leave and be like, that guy sucks so bad.


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[Assistant] I hate the fact that I have gross, undisciplined behavior. Solving this is a major priority in my life. You have zero idea of what it- of what this experience is like for me. You seem blind to this struggle like a father who would ignore their child's struggle.


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[Assistant] And offer only the words, mana.


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[Assistant] That's the key word right there when you said it's worth it. You know what I think? This is what I think. I think like in an environment as like how he put it, an undisciplined environment, right? Or something like that. Where he grew up in an undisciplined environment. I don't, obviously that's a very vague


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[Assistant] That could mean a lot of different things. So a lot of times like when you're brought up in a certain environment basically you're kind of taught or not taught like the value of certain things. So if you use like, I don't know, working out or whatever, right?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna use myself as an example. My dad was an athlete. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Not a superior athlete, but he was, you know, he knew like working out was a part of life and stuff like that. And, you know, in elementary school we're doing sports and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Some people they don't do that at all. So when they grow up into adulthood, some people straight up have never worked out before. Never been in the gym. And you know, so growing up they were never taught the value of


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[Assistant] Sure, they see people with, you know, you know, they're in shape or they can do these things and they're very functional, whatever. They see that, of course, but they don't have that value. They don't feel that value. They, they just never learned it.


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[Assistant] So it can come off as like this thing for other people, you know? Like, oh that's what other people do kind of thing. So they don't understand the value. So, back to the point.


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[Assistant] In their mind, this weird, the connection is not made that it's worth it. Because they don't know the value of it, really. But if you do know the value of it, and then you can decide, okay, is this worth it? Is it worth it to wake up every day and, and quote unquote, get after it for this particular goal, or this particular set of goals? So that's what it is. And I think, sure, the undisciplined environment.


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[Assistant] And they'll be disciplined. They'll find that discipline real quick. No matter how they're trained. As, you know, their environment when they're growing up.


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[Assistant] Worth it. That's it. And if it's not worth it to you, and that I think is what you develop.


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[Assistant] The value of work, you know, the value of you develop, you can develop that from anywhere. That's what I'm saying. That's essentially that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, you can get it from parents, you can get it from, yeah, exactly right, exactly right. But the discipline itself, just like I said, that's gonna come from you. Your parents can teach it, but guess who has to, it's still you, it's still you. And you can go to the military to specifically learn discipline. When you leave,


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly right. And just like I said, like yeah, I know people who are done with the military and are glad they're done with that. Right. They're glad with this waking up early, they're glad they're done with that.


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[Assistant] Yourself, yeaah. Determine whether or not it's worth it.


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[Assistant] In a way you're right, but like really though, really. I'm gonna be open and honest with you. I don't think that people know it's worth it. I think they know it's worth it like the kind on paper. You know, if they have a multiple choice question, is it worth it? Yes or no? They'll be like yes. Obviously I know working out is worth it. But here's the thing.


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[Assistant] If you don't know, if you don't, like, like having good credit, for example. So I never got taught, like, why.


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[Assistant] Really? My mom said, yeah, you should have good credit. That's it. That's the limit to my education on credit, right? So of course I blow it because I get, you know, I fall for literally all the tricks. Self-inflicted and otherwise.


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[Assistant] Credit gets jammed up. So I don't know. I don't know the value. I don't know. I've never experienced the benefits of having good credit. I don't know the value of good credit. So it really didn't mean much to me. Really. My credit was like junk. And I didn't care until I got denied for something. Then I cared.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's gonna be beneficial when you do the, I'm still, I'm just harshly maintaining that, like, not knowing the value is a big, is a big thing. It's kinda like, okay, so back to my credit thing, eh, there is a point at the end where, okay, so,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, like, I dunno, 10 years ago or whatever, I- I-


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[Assistant] I repaired my credit. My credit was repaired. I went through, it was painstaking, not fun stuff. But I did it, got my credit repaired, and now I know the value because as an adult I'm functioning. It's useful now, you know. So now I know the value of having good credit because I've been through all the things that having good credit brings you through.


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[Assistant] Did you find that people in the military mock those that emphasize the importance of good leadership?


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[Assistant] Yes, kinda like that, you know, lead by example kind of thing. It kinda makes you, like the question, kinda how you said in the beginning, it makes you wonder.


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[Assistant] He says, the question is, do you find the people in the military mock those that emphasize the importance of good leadership? You kinda think to yourself, I wonder how this person is emphasizing the importance of good. Is he the guy at the party who, you know, people are talking about, I don't know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, in a way. I dig what you're saying, but obviously that's your job.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so if you were like, you know, you go on the road, you do one of your, you know, your deals, and then, you know, at dinner,


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[Assistant] Remember, I think I told you this story about one of my friends. I'm not gonna name his name, because I'm certain you know he's a Navy SEAL.


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[Assistant] Telling us how badass you and all Navy SEALs are is gonna make us mock you a little bit.


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[Assistant] It's kinda like if you try to convince everyone that you're the most humble person in the world. You know? Nobody more humble than me. I'm the most humble, I'm humbler than that guy, I'm humbler than you, I'm humbler than anyone who've ever lived. I'm just the most humble guy in the world. It just doesn't work like that, huh? No, it doesn't work that way. Next question.


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[Assistant] How to punish or discipline them. Can't threaten to fire them.


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[Assistant] Because they're all I have. I know a leader does so much more than threaten and punish, but I need some guidance. Try to motive- try to motivate, but feel the need to do more. Thanks.


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[Assistant] And, and that praise thing too, you know, when you should like add like a reward or something for-


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[Assistant] Because a lot of times, especially volunteers, where, so you know, and we all feel this, like even at work, you can have like a super fun job, but you'll get, you'll, people generally speaking tend to get complacent in one way or another, you know, when things are routine or things are, you know, not as exciting or whatever.


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[Assistant] And you know, when you're volunteering and that happens, it's kind of like you're not tied there by a paycheck, really. You know, which is just, it's just a powerful tie, you know, that people have to work. It's like, yeah, I don't like my job, but it pays bills and paying the bills is a big deal.


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[Assistant] So if you add that element of excitement or fun or, you know, a little personal payoff in one way or another, I think that helps a lot of the time. Indeed. And that tends to happen too if the, if the, I'm not saying this person is doing this or not doing this, but,


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[Assistant] If they become kinda complacent in not recognizing how much they, they, they appreciate the volunteers, you know? Like if they're just like, oh yea, this is just business as usual, you know? Thanks for coming in, that's kinda it, kinda thing, and then, you know, then it just gets kinda, kinda blah, you know? Like, there's not the payoff that they used to have.


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[Assistant] Do I need to keep training Jujitsu if I hate it?


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[Assistant] I mean, can't I just live my life the way I think it should be, which is of health, energy, and become- becoming a force of nature as a doctor without dreaming up of some invisible enemies on the street that I've yet to come across in preparing and spending my pittance of wage- of a wage on lessons that I hate in every sorts of ways for something that might be avoided?


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[Assistant] If I learned to use wit and saving my money to move into a good neighborhood,


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[Assistant] And I've been successful in preventing physical clashes to occur.


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[Assistant] I've learnt basic ways to escape the mount. I can run, I'm fairly strong. Isn't that enough?


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[Assistant] That's actually what I was gonna say. I was like, they're probably, and I don't know, easily, some people don't like it. Straight up, I gotta accept that. I know, I know. But, that being said, there is a possibility that the environment that


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[Assistant] This person that people train in sometimes will make you not like it. And it's not necessarily the jujitsu you don't like. Sure, not it wound up that way. You don't like jujitsu anymore because you were kind of, you know, pushed in the wrong direction as far as like what you...


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[Assistant] It's the environment that you train in, so the school's part of the environment for sure. But it's like, training partners, it's like, which can wind up-


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[Assistant] And people are different. People totally, some people they want that pressure. They want people yelling. You know like remember I used to tell you like when you start coaching either me or just in training. You know like you'll get fired up when you see two people training or whatever and you'll be like do this or that and you'll start coaching.


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[Assistant] It's almost like you're, like as a friend you're doing it, like just for fun, and you're like, okay do this, and you usually coach up the other guy.


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[Assistant] The possibility is that this guy happens to be in the wrong environment for jiu-jitsu. For him, for jiu-jitsu for him. For himself, yes, exactly. That is a possibility. And just like I said,


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[Assistant] You know, he, he could very well be putting that pressure on himself. Like you have to go and everyone's saying how great it is and it's the best thing. And if you don't show up to practice your whack and you're lame or get on the back of it, you know.


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[Assistant] And that's not to mention when you even imply that you don't necessarily like it. Oh yeah, cause you suck. Oh yeah, cause you're this or you're weak or you're whatever. You're a slacker. Like basically all this negativity, you know, is going to turn you off even more. So now, yeah, you hate it now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you're kinda trapped with it, with the junk parts of it. Yeah. That, that kinda came about, and yeah, and you can't really escape it, then you're like, rebel against it.


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[Assistant] Uh, remember when we were driving up to LA, I was playing Carrie by Europe. That is actually technically an 80's hair metal. Yeaah, that's an 80's hair.


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[Assistant] What's it about though? Like is he, is it like romantic? You know, is he talking about his love that he loves a girl or something like that? I would say yes. Yeaah. It kinda doesn't count cause, you know how like- Well how can that not count? I don't know because you know how like, like, uh, Metallica, for example, they have Unforgiven, right? So it sounds softer but they're still talking about hard stuff.


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[Assistant] And you were like, who is this? And I was like, no, no, no. You know what though? Actually, I played another song, uh, who was it? It was like Josh Raden or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I sometimes wonder with you, like, if you're the kind, you know how some people, they, they just, just, I like music, not, I'm not saying me, I'm just saying, certain people, they are into just a specific type of music, that's it. That's the whole reason for music in their head, is like this very specific feeling, like some people,


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[Assistant] Uhm, that I'd know before, they only like house music. They only like anything other than house music. Yeaah. It's like, it's just, they all rather listen to nothing. So I was wondering if you're like kinda that kind. No, because I listen all the time.


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[Assistant] I kinda feel bad for the guy who hates jujitsu, that's kinda crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like they, they just, they, they, they don't like it enough on a, on a kind of moment to moment basis to, to get off the couch and go. That's kinda it, you know? That's one of those situations.


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[Assistant] Next question. Jocko. I have a question after reading your book. Which I thought was one of the best books I've read since your last book.


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[Assistant] I'm curious what, what you did during your SEAL team days to maintain your, your schedule. As I would imagine in the teams, your schedule changes at any minute to include you being deployed or active during your various missions at night.


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[Assistant] So, as in life, how do you keep your balance of your schedule when duty calls? In your book you say,


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[Assistant] Yes, sir. Yeah, that's all me right there. Like one little thing on my schedule throws off. Ah, this whole day is gone. I'll do it tomorrow.


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[Assistant] I don't know that the name of the, you know, geese have names, you know, like, well, origin does, you know, that's a cool name too, by the way, axiom, but this one is called, I think, discipline?


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[Assistant] On brand. Meaning it kind of fits. Fits. Fits your brand. Okay. Sure. I'd say it does that. By jock. Yeah. Yeah, it totally does. It, uhm.


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[Assistant] It's like, yeah, it's not the kind where, you know, like some geese, like, you look at them, you can tell there's like all these bells and whistles as far as decorations go, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, but here's the thing though, there are some, there are some, uh, how should I say, functional decorations? No, that's not actually a good word for it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm sure you do have both, and I'm still working on the black one, but that's a long story. Nonetheless, it's a good one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, hopefully. Yeah, if you're getting the discipline equals freedom, is discipline equals freedom, or just discipline?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it is made in America like all the word and stuff, by the way. Yeah, that's a good one. Anyway, look at that one. Get that one. If you're still looking for a gi, get that one. Even if you're not looking for a gi, just look at this gi.


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[Assistant] It's the kind where he's gonna, he's gonna by the way, he's gonna get the, it's like he-


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[Assistant] That's my bet. I would, I almost am challenging him to prove me wrong, that's how much I know.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, uhm, yeaah, so it comes from Origin, if you didn't already pick that part up. OriginMain.com. There's a lot of Gizle in there, even if you want to get a- another one. Other than the- you know what I'm gonna do? I have all the patches that- you know how like,


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah, and there's certain places you can't really put them too, so that even limits you more. But I'm doing it. I'm starting it. And if I run out of space, I'm getting another geed. Boom. I'm gonna keep it going.


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[Assistant] I do kind of risk people saying, hey, you're not law enforcement. Why are you wearing that patch? Like some of those patches to me seem like, like you gave me a NASA one. Like that's like, shoot, should I be even wearing this patch?


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[Assistant] Damn. I'm gonna wear it. This is from my friends at NASA. Straight up.


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[Assistant] Anyway. Anyway, back to Origin. Origin, that's all American-made stuff. From the cotton out of the ground. American.


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[Assistant] To the factory. American factory. In America. In Maine. Make the material. Make the clothing. Make the geese. Make the rash guards. Make the, what else are they? Some bags.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. From Origin Labs. Yeaah. Those are Jocko supplements. So.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, I'm gonna all go into the details later, but, super krill, there is a legitimate difference between super krill and regular krill oil. There is. And it's very beneficial. I'm not gonna say it right now, but just know, super krill oil,


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[Assistant] Jocko brand. Joint warfare. Jocko brand. For your joints. Supplements. Boom. Jocko came out with it. That's the stuff. From the beginning, that was the main supplements. You know, joint stuff, krill oil.


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[Assistant] Both of my shoulders, my back, and my elbows. So yea, originmain.com. That's the place to go. Also...


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[Assistant] I don't think I could go back to regular kettlebells. That's my opinion. Got the werewolf. Got the bigfoot. 90 pounds, 2 pounds heavier than Jocko's heaviest kettlebell. Every rep. I think Jordan Peterson was impressed with that too, by the way. Yeah, he was. That makes one of us.


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[Assistant] Also, oh sorry, OnIt.com slash Jocko, that's the one.


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[Assistant] It's a good spot. You know, also, good way to support, when you buy books that Jocko reviews, I guess technically I kinda help review them.


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[Assistant] Indirect, yes, indirect, distant way. Anyway, those books, very compelling books.


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[Assistant] When you get them, go through the website, jocopodcast.com. Little tab on the top says, books from podcasts, go through there. Buy the books through there, that's a good way to support. Take it to Amazon, shop just the way, you know, Prime, one day shipping, whatever you choose, just like anything else. But go through that, it's a good way to support.


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[Assistant] And do any other shopping you have to do. Carry on. Good way to support. Also, subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, depending on what kind of


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[Assistant] The point is subscribe to it, yes. Yes, subscribe to it on that one.


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[Assistant] So go, leave a review if you want. If you're in the mood, leave a review. Also subscribe to it on YouTube.


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[Assistant] The video version of this podcast is a good one. Still, and I still do get the whole thing, like, oh, Echo, you don't look like you sound. And, I remember- Maybe you should change the way you talk. Yeah, yeah. Or change the way I look. I dunno. You never know.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Get less jacked. That is, it is kind of an intuitive thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not true at all. Remember that Seinfeld one? No. There, the guy was like, she, I think Elaine, who's the girl in there, she was like, she was like, oh, he had a good looking voice or something like, he sounded like he was good looking or something like that. How'd it turn out?


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[Assistant] YouTube, subscribe to YouTube, that's the point there. Regardless of if you wanna know what I look like or not. Doesn't even matter what I look like, really.


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[Assistant] Barely, maybe a little bit, I guess. Maybe I see, because if I see you out in the wild, it'll, you know, we can recognize each other, if you know what I look like. Beneficial.


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[Assistant] For sure. For real, like I know, okay, just listen. That's cool. I dig it. But if you want to avoid that kind of situation, subscribe to YouTube.


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[Assistant] Good way to do it. And good way to support. Also, Jaco has a store. It's called Jaco's Store. Jacostore.com. We have t-shirts on there if you want these t-shirts. I'm wearing my good t-shirt right now. I haven't worn this one in a long time. The original. It's like, uh, it's really good.


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[Assistant] The good is backwards to look at in the mirror. That message is for you.


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[Assistant] You can't just automatically just say good. It kinda comes off kinda weird. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] That's why I put this backwards, cause it's like you tell yourself good. You see what I'm saying? That's the layer. That's the little insight to the layer. I'm not gonna go deep and I'm not gonna go into any of the other explanations for the other layers, but just know that they have layers on all the clothing on jocostore.com.


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[Assistant] Rash guards, for jujitsu, or anything physical. Cycling.


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[Assistant] Anything requiring range of motion? Maybe some compression situations?


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[Assistant] High aesthetic value but not too high because it's more about functionality. That's my take on the whole deal. But they do look good and they have layers. Hoodies are in.


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[Assistant] Well, we are in California, so, you know, it's not that big of a deal. You know, you got your old one, it's all good. Uh, but yea, there's some hoodies on there, uh, some warrior kids.


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[Assistant] Rash guards are coming. Boom. Cause people have been asking me about that. Cause I wore one, that was like a test one. And I wore one when I was training with Dave Burke. And they're like, oh, wear your kid rash guard, you know, whatever.


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[Assistant] But I was trying to narrow down kind of the colors and stuff, but they're narrowed down and they should be available within the next...week and a half. Where are those made? Those are made all in America. Nice. All in America where you keep the rash guards. Also there's another kind of cool fun one, but I won't talk about that one until later.


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[Assistant] Also, good way to support yourself, Psychological Warfare. If you don't know what that is, it's an album with tracks, Jocko tracks, and they are to aid you in the event of you needing aid in your campaign against weakness, on your path, on THE path.


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[Assistant] Yeah, every day man, this is not a one day gig.


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[Assistant] In a way, harder because the drinking wasn't preventing me from working out. It wasn't preventing me from doing like a lot of stuff. It was only preventing me from doing like a handful of things. But those things I really wanted to do, but it was really preventing me. Or it was, put it this way, it was making it super difficult.


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[Assistant] And then just the fact of like drinking every single day, you know, kind of thing. And the more you, you know how you, the more you get in the routine on some, with something, the harder it, the harder it is to just straight up break that routine, especially when it provides the payoff is like drinking does chemically. I mean, you know, like when you drink.


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[Assistant] Like, not even proportionately more beneficial to, to, to stop drinking. Like, you know when he said, uhm, wow, this is how everyday people walk around feeling good?


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[Assistant] Right, that's so true. That's exactly what I thought. I'm like, dang, no wonder freaking these feed Jocko doesn't drink, right? So no wonder Jocko's doing all this stuff. I could, I could do all that stuff too. That's how you feel. I'm not saying I'm doing all this stuff. I'm just saying that's the feeling so I could, I could dig it. Anyway. Point is, when you're on this path, it's not always easy.


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[Assistant] Skipping the workout, that kind of stuff. Psychological warfare, okay. So, there's a track for every little weakness you might encounter. Skipping the diet, or, or, or, slacking on the diet, that's a good one. Uhm, but yeaah, check that one out, and, uh, you know, see what up. Good way to support yourself in your, on the path, when you're on the path, and support the podcast, as...


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the, there's little things in there that it's like, this is really good that these kids are getting this, this message, because it's stuff that as an adult, you're like, dang, I never really, even though you know it, like, okay, and this is what it is, when you're like, how do you expect to be good at something if you don't practice? Like, it seems obvious, right?


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 110 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.


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[Assistant] The great captains who have written of it give us none. Extreme cleverness is required to even understand them.


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[Assistant] And it is impossible to base any judgment on the relations of the historians, historians, for they only speak of war as their imaginations painted.


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[Assistant] As for the great captains who have written of it, they have attempted rather to be interesting than instructive, since the mechanics of war is dry and tedious.


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[Assistant] Books dealing with it have small success and their merit will not be recognized except after the passage of time.


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[Assistant] Those writing historically of war have better luck. They are sought by all the curious and kept in all libraries.


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[Assistant] That is why we only have a confused idea of the discipline of the Greeks and Romans.


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[Assistant] War is a science covered with shadows in whose obscurity one cannot move with an assured step.


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[Assistant] Routine and prejudice. The natural result of ignorance.


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[Assistant] Are it's foundation and support.


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[Assistant] Nothing is so disgraceful as slavishness to custom.


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[Assistant] This is both a result of ignorance and a proof of it.


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[Assistant] Chevalier Follard supposes all men to be brave at all times and does not realize that the courage of the troops must be reborn daily.


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[Assistant] That nothing is so variable, and that the true skill of a general consists of knowing how to guarantee it by his dispositions, his positions, and those traits of genius that characterize great captains.


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[Assistant] Perhaps he reserved of this immense dis- perhaps he reserved discussion of this immense subject and perhaps also it escaped him.


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[Assistant] Nevertheless, it is of all the elements of war, the one that is most necessary to study.


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[Assistant] The same troops who if attacking would have been victorious may be inevitably defeated in entrenchments.


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[Assistant] Few men have accounted for it in a reasonable manner, for it lies in human hearts, and one should search for it there.


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[Assistant] No one has written of this matter, which is of the most importance, the most learned, and the most profound of the profession of war.


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[Assistant] And without a knowledge of the human heart, one is dependent upon the favor of fortune, which sometimes is very inconstant.


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[Assistant] So, those are some opening words from a book called Reveries on War by Maurice de Sacks. This guy's a character. Maurice de Sacks. You did a little research on him. Did you find out how much of a character he was?


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[Assistant] He was a serious character. There's a couple things, there's a couple things even in that opening right there that I wasn't sure if I was gonna cover this and I was kinda like going back to it to see if it was something we should cover. But I just, when you get right here, all sciences have principles and rules, war has none. That's a true statement. And it's true that there's


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[Assistant] You know, there's principles of warfare, but there's no actual rules, like you can do whatever you want. I mean, you can say the Geneva Convention, but then you can just defy it and just, you know, you can do things that are completely opposed to it. So there's no rules, you should do whatever you want.


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[Assistant] Now, you could lose your respect and you could act inhumane and that might cost you in the long run, but if war is war.


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[Assistant] There's no other thing like that. Right? There's no other thing like that. Do whatever you want. I guess if you had a...


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[Assistant] If you had like a street fight with no weapons and someone's gonna do whatever they could to win, right?


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[Assistant] Disgraceful, he calls it. He talks about these prejudices that people have. I think you call them, what do you call them? Biases. Biases, right? Cognitive biases. He talks about, he doesn't talk about that, but he talks about them. But this guy was a character. He,


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[Assistant] Lived from 1696 to 1750. He started off as a German soldier.


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[Assistant] In the army of the Holy Roman Empire, which was like this bunch of territories in Europe that were banded together under that name and they were around for a long time from like the Middle Ages until


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[Assistant] The time of the Napoleonic Wars. So, you know, the early 1800s. And he served, also served in the Imperial Army, which was another kind of army that often fought alongside the army of the Holy Roman Empire. But the weird thing is, is he finished his career,


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[Assistant] As the Marshal General of France.


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[Assistant] And, so he kind of, I guess you could say he kind of switched sides, but he rose, rose up through the ranks. Because his military career started at the age of 13.


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[Assistant] Which, and that war, that battle right there, that was between the army of the Holy Roman Empire and France. So he was on both sides at certain points of his life.


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[Assistant] And I think the whole time he was, it seems like from what I read about him, he was always kinda looking to...


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[Assistant] Go up the social structure, you know, right rise up in the social structure and become more a powerful person in the hierarchy Of those time in the dominance hierarchy So yeah, he started fighting at age 13, which by the way, that's just


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[Assistant] So cool. I don't, I'm sorry if you think I'm a bad person. But as far as I'm concerned, if I could have joined the military at 13, I would have been so stoked. Uh, sorry everyone that's, that doesn't agree with that. That's just how I roll. I'm just telling the truth on that one. And actually as I look back on my life, if I could have done that, it would have been even better.


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[Assistant] I think they should allow people to join the military. They should have some like youth corps where you can go in and just get after it at a young age.


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[Assistant] But they think, they think a 13 year old can't make that decision. And they're right. The 13 year old can't make that decision. So you'd have to have really benevolent people that were in charge of them. In charge of these troops. And you also think that an 18 year old person can make a good decision. But that's not true either. Because you've got 18 people that are dumber than dirt. They make bad decisions.


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[Assistant] And people are worried that you're gonna get thoughts put into your head. Yeah. Yeah, you are. You are. And guess what? If they're good thoughts, right on. That's not a bad thing, right? Yeah, but- I mean, do you have to learn everything yourself?


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[Assistant] Specifically, which I dig! No, no, no, I would not, I would not, and I still, I even, you know, I get in trouble for this because, for instance, people say, oh you shouldn't wake up at 4.30 in the morning.


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[Assistant] And I always say like, yea I know. I'm not saying you have to wake up at 4.30 in the morning. I'm saying wake up earlier. Don't be lazy. Right? I'm not saying you have to. I say, you know, don't eat donuts.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying you can never taste anything that tastes good, I'm just saying be smart man, come on. You don't need a donut. Doughnuts are actually on the evil. They might just be pure evil too by the way.


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[Assistant] Right? Donuts? Come on man. Donuts don't even make you feel, I mean, is there any, do you get any satisfaction from a donut?


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[Assistant] You always want to try and parse these things. Well, it's not an absolute thing. Okay, so I guess you get a 10 second good taste in your mouth, sugar rush, get some.


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[Assistant] Okay, but you could come up with some fundamental good things and I'll tell you this the military does teach some fundamental good things So if I could have joined at the age of 13, it would have been good for me I would have been stoked actually I would have missed out on some cool stuff too because I had some fun back in the jury and I did some cool stuff That actually led to me being who I am today. You know, I learned some stuff


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[Assistant] And I'm sure a bunch of people do, but I'm just saying there's like different- No, I guess I'm not pro-universal brainwashing to my methods of living. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not, which makes- 13 year old by the way. Yeah, which is 13 year old. Now, I'll tell you, I just said that


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[Assistant] Going in the military, I would have missed out on some things, you know, maybe some growing up experiences. Uh, Marista Saks didn't miss out on a damn thing, cause he was getting after it in many different ways. Not only on the battlefield, but also as a little bit of a maniac. He was, first of all, he was like, apparently a physically


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[Assistant] He was kind of a beast of a man. And like, physically. And he fought, he kind of proved himself, he distinguished himself in some big battles as he was 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 years old. Apparently he could bend a horseshoe.


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[Assistant] With his hand, and I, I was looking at that. I was thinking to myself,


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[Assistant] And I didn't want to take anything away from him. So apparently he could grab, uh, he was big and could grab a horseshoe and just bend it in one hand. So, he had...


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[Assistant] Some, some serious strength, and through his life, he commanded companies, which he actually refers to as centuries, which, if you can imagine century, we know that means a hundred, so a century, like the ancient Roman army had centuries instead of companies, and they weren't even a hundred people, they were like eighty people, but,


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[Assistant] He led those, he led regiments and he led whole armies and he fought with a lot of success throughout his career. Now, with that, that being said,


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[Assistant] He was far from what anyone would actually consider role model because he, the way he lived his personal life was not exactly exemplary, exemplary. I didn't say that word right.


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[Assistant] Yes. In fact, the way he lived his life was probably the opposite of role model. So, he was forced into marriage at the age of 18. He didn't want to get married. Because he was, I think he was too much of a womanizer and said I don't want to get married.


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[Assistant] He married this heiress. 14 year old heiress. With a ton of money. He blew all our money.


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[Assistant] She was 18, she was 14, she was an heiress with a bunch of money, he took all her money and blew it. On horses, for his regiment, and on women.


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[Assistant] Hypocritical, hypocritical sometimes. Now,


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[Assistant] I think one of, this is this one quote I grabbed from this mistress, this kind of famous mistress.


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[Assistant] Actually, she's recognized as the chief mistress of King Louis the 15th. So did you know that the king had, like not just mistresses, we know that, but there's a chief mistress who's known. Her name was Madame de Pompadour.


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[Assistant] So, he's a little bit out of control. He might have in fact inherited his


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[Assistant] Lifestyle choices from his dad whose name was Frederick Augustus who was well known for his personal unbridled lust.


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[Assistant] How do you know that he had unbridled lust? Well, case in point, Maurice was the eldest. So Maurice de Sacks was the eldest of 354 acknowledged illegitimate children that Frederick fathered.


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[Assistant] So, while we might not want to emulate Maurice Disax's personal life,


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[Assistant] He was an experienced and successful leader of men on the battlefield.


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[Assistant] And here's Maurice de Sacks, a man who has a talent for architecture and can design will draw the plan and perspective of a palace with great skill.


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[Assistant] But if he is to execute it, if he does not know how to shape his stones, to lay his foundation, the whole edifice will crash soon.


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[Assistant] It's the same with a general who does not know the principles of his art, nor how to organize his troops, for these are indispensable qualifications in all the operations of war.


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[Assistant] The prodigious success with which the Romans always gained with small armies against multitudes of barbarians can be attributed to nothing but the excellent composition of their troops.


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[Assistant] Not that I would infer from this that a man of genius will not be able to succeed even at the head of an army of Tartars.


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[Assistant] It is much, this is the, this is the interesting part. It is much easier to take men as they are.


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[Assistant] One of the last things he says in the book is...


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[Assistant] To the readers, I wrote this book in 13 nights. I was sick. Thus it very probably shows the fever I had.


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[Assistant] This should supply my excuses for the irregularity of the arrangement as well as the inelegance of the style. I wrote militarily and to dissipate my boredom. Now on top of those, that excuse, right?


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[Assistant] On top of that, he was a big opium user. So, we're figuring he was probably writing this in an impaired state. Sure. We're dealing with it. We're not, we're not mad about it. But, we're realistic. And the reason I say this is because some of the writing is a little bit tricky. And some run on sentences. And, yeaah, so.


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[Assistant] We have to, we have to pull a little bit harder to get some nuggets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's plenty of nuggets, and I think that's one of them. It's much easier to take men as they are than to make them as they should be. And where I look at that, as a leader, you get people that are good at something.


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[Assistant] And you get someone that's not good at something, but they're good at something else. You put people where you can use them. You put people where their skills are most available and where they can, where they can


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[Assistant] Perform their duties to the highest level because they're naturally good at it. That's all I'm saying. I'm not having you Proofread my writing at night, right?


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[Assistant] It would, it'd be easier if you said, you know what Jaco, when it comes to podcasts, why don't you come up with a talking, a bunch of talking, and I'll make cool videos, right?


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[Assistant] We kinda did that. Otherwise, people would be listening to you.


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[Assistant] Talking about movies from 1988 and comparing them to stuff.


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[Assistant] No, it would make me mad, cause it's dealing with computers and stuff. I don't mind computers, but I don't like them. Sure, no. So.


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[Assistant] When you get to the SEAL teams, it's like, oh, you're small. A small guy? Cool. You're gonna be a point man. Yeah, yeah. You're a big guy? Cool. You're gonna carry an M60. Now it's a Mark 48. That's how it's happening.


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[Assistant] Make an army. And I thought this one was a little bit interesting because people ask me this question all the time. He's talking about mandatory service and this is his opinion on it. Would it not be better to prescribe by law that every man, whatever his condition in life, should be obliged to serve his prince and his country for five years? That's no joke. Sometimes people say two years.


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[Assistant] When youth seeks its fortune, travels the country, and is of little comfort to parents.


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[Assistant] This would not be a public calamity because one could be sure that when five years had passed, discharge would be granted. So he's saying like, people couldn't be mad about it because it's only five years. And he's also saying, look, this is when your kids are out of control anyways, you might as well have them in the military.


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[Assistant] There's that, that whole idea of the libertine that took place back in the day and these guys were, you know, basically wild.


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[Assistant] Morally getting after it or I should they were they were they were


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[Assistant] They were partying wicked hard. I'm trying to think of a good way to say it. They were partying wicked hard with drugs, booze, and women. The Libertines. And they, it was, they called them a rake. Like if a guy, a guy that was out there with a bunch of different women all the time, they'd be called a rake. There's a bunch of,


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[Assistant] Period novels that I had to read when I was in college. That's why I know about it about these libertine rakes


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[Assistant] But to produce this effect it is essential to make no distinctions to be immovable on this point and to enforce the law particularly on the nobles and the rich.


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[Assistant] Then no one will complain. Hey, you gotta, if you're gonna do it to one person, you gotta do it to everyone equally. Consequently, those who had not served their time will scorn those who are reluctant to obey the law and insensibly it will become an honor to serve. The poor bourgeois


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[Assistant] Is that there's some people in the world that aren't really meant for warfare.


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[Assistant] And so should we let nature, I, I, I more, I more heavily agree with the previous point. You should let people do what they're good at naturally. So you're gonna end up recruiting people that might not be good at this naturally. And that's not a good thing.


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[Assistant] Every 18 year old, if they join the military, it would benefit them. I'm telling you, it would benefit them. Do I think it should be mandatory? I don't really think so. Because I don't want to have a bunch of draftees in the military. And if you don't want to join and you want to miss out on having that part in your life, that's your call. And that's fine. This is America. You can do what you want.


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[Assistant] What you said is actually correct, that you could have, you know, elements that just did other things in the military that


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[Assistant] We talked a little bit about clothing troops, what they should wear, and this is just, I thought this was interesting. Our uniform is not only expensive, but very, very uncomfortable. The soldier is neither shod, nor clothed, nor covered. The love of appearance prevails over attention to health, and this is one of the most important points demanding our attention.


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[Assistant] And once the rainy season has arrived, his head is never dry. So it sounds to me like he's basically saying he doesn't care how he looks, he's here to win. So hair is a dirty ornament for a soldier.


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[Assistant] In place of hats, I should prefer helmets as for shoes. This was interesting. You know, people wear minimalistic shoes without


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[Assistant] It's zero heel to toe drop. Have you heard that expression? Meaning it's the same level across, so it's any of the barefoot type shoes. They all say oh zero heel to toe drop. Meaning there's not


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[Assistant] They would be perfectly shod and would march with better grace since low heels would force them to turn out their toes stretch their joints and consequently


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[Assistant] Consequently, draw in their shoulders. It's pretty interesting, because everyone's all in the rage of minimalistic shoes, which I actually wear shoes that don't have any heel toe drop.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm caught up in that fad, but it's cool, but you know what when we were kids right Chuck Taylors?


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[Assistant] They have no heel toe drop, people still wear them. Cause they're good to go.


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[Assistant] My Bromwell Chuck Chatters are too narrow for me. Too narrow? Yeaah. And they don't sell wide ones. I've looked.


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[Assistant] Alright, pay. What you gotta pay people? Back to the book. Without going into detail about the different rates of pay, I shall only say that it should be ample. It is better to have a small number of well-kept and well-disciplined troops than to have a great number who are neglected in these matters.


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[Assistant] Economy can be pushed only to a certain point. It has limits beyond which it degenerates into parsimony. I had to look that word up by the way, parsimony. Yeah, occasionally you get one of those. It means just super cheap. Super cheap.


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[Assistant] I guess so. I know that my dad, like many dads, will drive an extra


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[Assistant] 18 miles to save three cents a gallon on gas. Does that, does all dads do that?


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[Assistant] You know, you get the app that has the cheapest gas prices in your area. How much time are you spending looking at an app that you paid three dollars for to find out whether you can save two cents a gallon on gas? Now, I get it, man. I'm cheap. I inherited that, right?


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[Assistant] I don't like to spend money. It's hard for me to part with the money, right?


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[Assistant] Irrational about it. You know, irrational. Just straight up crazy. Hey woah. You could save two cents. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'm like, I don't know, I'm gonna pay for it anyways. We'll stick the nozzle in there, pull the trigger, and rock and roll. I got stuff I gotta do, I'm not driving. How much cheaper is gas on bass? When I didn't know how much cheaper gas was on bass, he was beside himself.


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[Assistant] Come on. Wait, isn't that because- Quit being parsimonious. Parsimonious, yea.


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[Assistant] Oh, you think you got the psychological win. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. No, that's, that's definitely, that could be it. A little victory. Yeaah, I think that is it.


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[Assistant] And attempt everything. In depriving them of it or in making it too distance, you deprive them of their very soul.


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[Assistant] Now, that immediately made me think of Stalingrad when we were reading about Stalingrad. And the fact that the soldiers, when something would give them a glimmer of hope,


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[Assistant] It would totally change their attitude. Like, when they thought that the German troops were coming to rescue the, the guys that were in Stalingrad, in the pocket in Stalingrad, they were all excited and they were, you know, happy and like, he literally said, like, everyone's morale went up and then they find out they're not coming and it's just crushed, crushed morale. That's based on hope.


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[Assistant] But it is essential that they should be able to live on their pay. The man who devotes himself to war should regard it as a religious order into which he enters. He should have nothing, no other home than his troop.


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[Assistant] And should hold himself honored in his profession. So, there you go.


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[Assistant] People always ask me, especially when I was in about work-life balance, and I'm like, hey, I'm not the guy to talk about, I'm not the good person, especially when I was in the military. Because this was me. You know, my number one priority, 100%, was the teams, and everything else was just kind of, hey,


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[Assistant] Everyone else is along for the ride, but I know where I'm going. So, the being that devoted to war, and it has a power, it has a certain, it made, you know, if you got a guy that's thinking about it all the time,


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[Assistant] I think it was Jade, Jade and I were talking about something and he said, the person who cares more wins.


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[Assistant] I want a lot of stuff in my day just because I cared more. I mean, I'm not going to sleep. I'm not, I'm just going to be thinking about this. You're going to go home and this weekend you're going to go and


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[Assistant] Again, is it healthy for work-life balance? No. It's not wor- healthy. Except for to say...


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[Assistant] If you're that committed to your work, you're a committed person, then that means you're trying to take care of your family. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Am I reaching? Maybe. Yea, I think you are. Okay, I'm reaching. That's fine.


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[Assistant] You know, marry a good, independent woman that doesn't need emotional support from you all the time so that she understands that that was the big thing for me. I think my wife understood that it wasn't meant as an offensive thing.


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[Assistant] I really care about my job. Doesn't mean I don't care about you, but my job is right now.


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[Assistant] You know, I suppose, instead of trying to take a work-life balance lesson out of this, I think the most important thing to take out of this is the level of commitment, right? If you really want to be successful.


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[Assistant] Not just talking about war, I'm talking about business, I'm talking about life. If you really want to be successful, you gotta, you gotta get after it. Yea, and you see that. You gotta set the other things aside for now. Yea. Right? Just the way it is. Yea. Sorry.


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[Assistant] It even is the one that deserves the least if one accepts those which are dangerous.


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[Assistant] I tried to figure out what that meant. I just thought opium. That was an opium. Yeaah. Hit right there. The last part.


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[Assistant] The foundation of training depends, oh this is good. But, but, okay, so drill, if you know what you think about the military, drill.


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[Assistant] Especially back in those days. It was, it really was a necessary thing. Because you had to function together as a team. And the way you do that, we still do what's called close order drill in the military now. You've seen it. Go watch the U.S. Marine Corps close order silent drill team.


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[Assistant] They do all these really specific maneuvers and they have competitions in high schools between the ROTC classes where you know you're carrying the rifle, you spin, you do all that stuff. That's called drill.


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[Assistant] The reason it originated is because you needed, for two reasons. Number one, you actually had to do those motions on the battlefield. Raise your rifle, load, make ready, aim, fire, and then the next rank will be doing the same thing. You had to do it in a coordinated method.


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[Assistant] And the other re- the reason that they kept doing it, according to my drill instructor in officer candidate school, gunnery sergeant, United States Marine Corps,


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[Assistant] Oddly enough, last name was Seals. That was his last name. Great guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, layers. Gunnery Sergeant Seals. My Drill Instructor.


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[Assistant] From the United States Marine Corps at Officer Ken at school. He said the reason that you're learning this drill is because the reason that we do drill is because people need to act instantly upon orders.


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[Assistant] So it, it drills into you a level of obedience. When you get told by the left flank march, everyone goes. By the right flank march, everyone goes.


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[Assistant] You know, so it teaches you that, hey, I'm gonna go, and that's what they used to use it for, but they still use it now to, so that people get used to the immediate obedience of orders. Now, does that get contradicted by things that I talk about all the time on here, about questioning orders and making sure you understand why you're doing it? Yeah, it does, absolutely. But there is a, that's why, that's what it exists for.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, the foundation of training depends on the legs and not the arms.


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[Assistant] And combat is in the legs. And it is to the legs that we should apply ourselves. Whoever claims otherwise is but a fool! And not only in the elements of what is called


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[Assistant] The profession of arms. So interestingly, your personal


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[Assistant] This problem with people that talk about skipping leg day, it goes back, it goes back to here. The big guns, the big arms. They didn't want to help us in the art of war, according to Saks.


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[Assistant] Yep, he goes back. He goes back a long time. Even back then, people were skipping leg day. And they were fools.


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[Assistant] Let me tell you something. The, the amount


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[Assistant] When I was in the team, I was running training. And I still talk to guys, obviously. But, if you think about what's going on,


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[Assistant] I say it all the time, but I'm talking about buds. I'm telling you the advanced training that you go to.


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[Assistant] The training that I used to run, it's freaking really hard. It's really hard. You're in the desert.


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[Assistant] The desert, don't think of sand, think of rocks, think of jagged, uneven terrain, up and down hills.


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[Assistant] Then think about, you're on night mission so it's at night. Think about you have, let's call it, about 80 pounds of gear on. Just on average. That's like the average guy's got 80 pounds of gear on. You're going to,


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[Assistant] Get dropped off in the middle of the desert. Again, not the desert, but the rocky. What's it called? Sub?


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[Assistant] I forget. It's, it's the rocky, crazy terrain. It's hard to walk on in the daytime. It's hard to walk on. Now you're at night. Now you have night vision on, which is great, but night vision is looking far away.


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[Assistant] And you can adjust one of your night vision sides so you have two, and you can adjust one to far and one to close so you can see a little bit, but still, your peripheral vision isn't there.


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[Assistant] So you can't really see what's actually underneath your feet. You can look down and then you can see it for a second, but you can't walk around looking down the whole time. You gotta look at the guy in front of you. You gotta look at the- you got your field of fire. So, as you're walking, you're making these micro adjustments all the time to adapt to your foot hitting the ground in some weird spot. And so you get that.


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[Assistant] 10 kilometers, maybe, what's that? That's 6 miles. So you're going 6 miles, then you get 6 miles, you get to a target area. You get to the target area, you gotta get eyes on the target area. You know where you get eyes on? You climb the biggest hill around.


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[Assistant] At night, being as quiet as you can, you get to the top of that hill, you look at it, then you go and assault the target. Once you assault the target, guess what, when you're assaulting the target, you're now, like, almost running. You're running through the thing. At night, you're shooting machine guns. Guess what, guys get hit. Guys go down. This is even in training. Guys are going down. Now you're gonna carry them. Who are you gonna carry them? Who's gonna carry them? You are.


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[Assistant] What are you gonna do? How are you gonna carry him? You're gonna, there's only one way. Sure, okay, there's stretchers, there's, you can, you can bring litters and we certainly bring litters in the field, but they take some time to set up and you gotta get organized to make that happen. What's gonna happen initially is somebody is gonna sling that dude on his back. And by the way, that person that weighs 200 pounds has 80 pounds of gear with him.


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[Assistant] So now we're talking 280 pounds. You're gonna put that person on your back and you're gonna walk.


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[Assistant] At a high rate of speed, through this rocky terrain, and you're gonna do that for another two to three miles to get out. It's hard, that kind of training.


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[Assistant] And by the way, this whole time, there's no like, hoo yah, there's no, hey come on, there's no, there's no, there's no, you don't even speak. It's just in silence. You're just going, and everyone knows what you have to do. And so that's why you gotta do leg day.


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[Assistant] Not skip leg day, cause your legs, your legs gotta carry that weight.


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[Assistant] Going back to the book. To return to the march about which everyone bothers themselves to the death but will never reach a conclusion unless I reveal a secret. So he's got a secret about maneuvering troops. This, this, I found this interesting.


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[Assistant] With a unit. And this happens with a, even happens with a platoon, but it definitely happens when you get bigger elements, you know, a company sized element where you've got a hundred people that are moving.


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[Assistant] It's, it's uh, the caterpillar effect, right? Like the front moves and then it takes a little while for people to catch up and then when they stop everyone bumps into them and you end up with this, this thing that's really, really hard to move.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and this is, so this is how he says this is his big secret.


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[Assistant] Shall I say it, this great word which comprises all the mystery of the art and which will no doubt be seen as ridiculous? Have them march in cadence.


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[Assistant] That is why these musical marches were instituted and that is why one beats the drum. It is this which no one knows and no one has perceived.


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[Assistant] What I thought was interesting about that is it's an obvious answer, right? And now clearly you're not gonna do that in the modern day military in the field. You're not gonna...


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[Assistant] Play music so guys can march to it so you can stay in cadence, but I think it's more important to that sometimes we lose things we lose


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[Assistant] Methods. They're in front of our face, but we don't understand why they were there. And I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I was thinking of a story. I was running training. And one of my guys who was, uh, one of the assistant platoon commanders in TU Bruiser. Great guy. Hard to choke, real long neck.


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[Assistant] You know, you can make it happen, but you're gonna work for it. Realize it, well, some people you might think long neck, easy to choke, right? No, this was his neck was so long and he was strong too. He is strong. Long and strong neck, so his neck would like bend and agitate.


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[Assistant] And, meaning, swimming over the beach, then you go do live fire. And this really, so, so, they're doing it, they're doing iterations. And,


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[Assistant] He's coming up on the beach and his weapons, you know, when you get to the beach your weapons wet, sandy, cause you go through the surf and it's all jacked up and then you try and shoot your gun and it doesn't work and you gotta clean it and it's just a pain.


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[Assistant] And he, and he was kind of, you know, like, really? And I said, yea, don't let it get wet.


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[Assistant] Because when you're swimming in, you've got a rucksack, but the rucksack isn't, it's, it's waterproofed, so it kind of floats. And so you can put your weapon on top of your rucksack.


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[Assistant] And you can kinda keep it dry there. And when you're just swimming, you just keep- Now you're not gonna keep your weapon completely dry. It's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] The attitude, if you have the attitude that you're trying to keep it dry, you'll keep it 90% more dry than you would otherwise. And most important, when you come through the beach, when you come through the waves, you won't let it get the sand in it.


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[Assistant] With, you know, a funny face of like, are you serious? How can you keep it dry? And I said, keep it dry.


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[Assistant] Next time I'm watching him, we're on night vision, I'm watching him and sure enough his weapon barely went in the water. He got up on the beach and boom, it works. Guess what? It's an obvious answer.


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[Assistant] But sometimes people, you know, we just need to have somebody share the obvious answer with us so that we can execute.


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[Assistant] You know the other funny thing he said in here is, he says go watch people dance. You see a soldier dance all night.


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[Assistant] No, no talk of dance on the podcast. Back to the book. If the previous war had lasted a little longer,


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[Assistant] Everyone was so excited to shoot their rifles. And at this time period, the rifles weren't all that accurate. And so it was a bunch of noise, but they weren't always that effective. And it would be better. And by the way, when you, when you had to shoot your rifle, you had to stop.


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[Assistant] So now instead of charging, we're stopping, we're loading, we're firing, the other rank is firing, and if the other people are moving on you, well they're gonna get close enough and they're gonna have no momentum and they're gonna overtake you or they're gonna overpower you. With what? With bayonets and hand to hand combat.


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[Assistant] So, what I thought was interesting about this, is he's saying, hey all this noise is basically noisemakers. For all practical purposes they're noisemakers. And he's saying,


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[Assistant] And what I was thinking was, this goes to be, this to me is very similar to people that yell a lot.


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[Assistant] Right, you yell a lot, you're someone that's loud, someone that's always talking, and he says that people who depend on that are always beaten.


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[Assistant] So don't just talk for the purpose of talking. Right? Don't. If you don't have anything to say, that's fine. Be quiet. Don't say anything. It's actually good.


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[Assistant] The Romans. Okay, we know discipline's important. Talk about it all the time. But, more important...


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[Assistant] Lesson here is they always renounced old costumes whenever they found better. Boom.


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[Assistant] Renounce the old customs when you find better ones. This is something you need to do in your life. Something that needs you in your business. It's something you need to do on the mat.


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you, going back to the other part, sometimes there's things in jujitsu that you find a better way and they work for a while.


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[Assistant] And then you go back to the old way, and it works because people are expecting the new way. Dean talks, Dean will say, this is a new old move.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is a new old move. It worked ten years ago. It wouldn't work five years ago because everyone knew it. Now it'll work again because everyone forgot it.


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[Assistant] And how you maintain your army during peacetime. He says as for the cavalry.


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[Assistant] And the recruits of either are absolutely useless. It is a burden and it is an expense but is indispensable. In regard to the infantry,


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[Assistant] As long as there are a few old heads, you can do what you want with the tails.


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[Assistant] So, a horseman is, you got the skilled horse and you got the skilled horse rider and he says in this, I don't know if I'll read it, but he says also in here, it takes 10 years to make a good, a good cavalryman. A good guy that's really good on the horse, with a really good horse, takes 10 years to make him. So you can't just get rid of that person.


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[Assistant] But an infant treatment, if you've got some good, this is what I like about it, if you've got good leadership.


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[Assistant] Good leadership with infantrymen. Hey man, there's some fundamental skills you're gonna need to learn and we'll be ready to rock and roll.


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[Assistant] Good leadership goes a long way. I mean, and again, you have to have, it takes a lot, it takes the same amount of time to make a good infantry leader.


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[Assistant] Because those are skills that take a long time to develop to become a leader of infantry troops. But your basic combat rifleman, you can make them pretty quick.


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[Assistant] The two rear ranks are to lower their pikes. In this position, the pikes will extend from six to seven feet ahead of the front rank. The front ranks being sheltered in such a manner will, I am sure, aim with more confidence than if they had nothing in front of them.


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[Assistant] Besides this, the third rank can ward off blows and defend the first rank, which will do, which it will do much better since it is covered by the first two ranks.


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[Assistant] The second rank, which is armed with muskets, can fire and defend the man in front of him in the first rank without the latter being obliged to stoop.


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[Assistant] This avoids a serious disadvantage which is incurred in kneeling, a dangerous movement. Because men who are afraid prefer this position. They cannot be made to get up when wanted and is always necessary to halt to kneel.


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[Assistant] According to my formation, all the men are covered each by each other.


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[Assistant] With reciprocal confidence. The front presents a forest of spears. Their appearance is formidable and gives confidence to your own troops because they feel its power. So, couple interesting things there. Obviously it's a cover move situation. And, and, and we're gonna work that out. But I thought,


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[Assistant] Beyond that it was interesting that if you got us if you're gonna take a knee Well, there's two things that are happening number one. You have to stop to take a knee We're not advancing on our knees


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[Assistant] Keep that momentum going. We're looking to keep that momentum going.


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[Assistant] Those who imagine that the Roman legions were composed of Romans from Rome are very much deceived. They came from all the nations in the world. But their composition, their discipline, and their methods of fighting were better than all those other nations. This is why they conquered them all.


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[Assistant] Neither were they conquered in their turn until...


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[Assistant] This discipline had degenerated among the Romans.


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[Assistant] Discipline will get you a long way, and lack of discipline will get you... killed. Disintegrated. Disintegrated.


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[Assistant] Talking more about cavalry here. The cavalry should be active and mounted on horses, inert to fatigue. It should be


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[Assistant] encumbered with as little baggage as possible and above all should not make the common error of having fat horses.


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[Assistant] If they could see an enemy every day, it would only be better for this would soon put them in a condition to attempt anything.


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[Assistant] It is certain that the power of cavalry is not understood. Why? Because we have love for fat horses.


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[Assistant] I had a regiment of German cavalry in Poland with which I marched more than 1500 leagues in 18 months.


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[Assistant] I maintain that this regiment was more fit for service at the end of this time than another supplied with fat horses.


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[Assistant] But to reach this condition, they must be gradually accustomed to hardship and hardened by hunts and violent exercise.


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[Assistant] You gotta train hard. I just read all that to basically say, you gotta train hard. You wanna be ready to fight, you gotta train how you fight.


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[Assistant] And don't get on a fat horse apparently. I'll have to ask my wife about that when she knows more about horses than me or life.


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[Assistant] Yes. When I would go overseas, people thought everyone in America is basically carrying a pistol on them at all times. That's the image that people have of America. I like that image for people to have of America too.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know. Be nice when you come here. You wanna come and visit? That's cool, we welcome visitors. Just be nice. Everyone's carrying a 45 in their back pocket.


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[Assistant] Next question. You see where I'm coming from here? Yes. This is how we roll. This is America.


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[Assistant] I do not, back to the book, I do not know why armor has been laid aside for the, for nothing is


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[Assistant] Either so useful or ornamental. If it be considered how many troopers perish by the sword and how many are, how many many are dangerously wounded by random and weak shots, accidents against which armor guarantees protection, one cannot avoid acknowledging the benefits of it.


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[Assistant] It is nothing but indolence and relaxation of discipline that caused it to be laid aside.


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[Assistant] It is wearisome to carry a queer ass and a trail pike and trail a pike half a century to use it a single day.


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[Assistant] But as soon as discipline is neglected in a nation, as soon as comfort becomes an aim, it needs no inspiration to foretell that ruin is near.


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[Assistant] In the measure that it became corrupted, their success decreased. When the Emperor Gratian


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[Assistant] Permitted the legions to quit their cuirasses and helmets because the soldiers complained they were too heavy. All was lost. The barbarians whom they had defeated during so many centuries vanquished them.


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[Assistant] That's all. People stop wearing their armor. Cause it's heavy. Body armor is heavy.


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[Assistant] Helmet, your helmet's heavy. Yeah. You want that little tiny helmet. You want the, oh, let's take out the back plate of our body armor, it probably won't get shot there. No.


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[Assistant] Plus we, plus we, we're light and maneuverable. That's the thing you say.