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[Assistant] Damn. I want to sleep at about 8, but this shit, to me it feel like regular time, but that shit been crazy. Damn, you live like an Amazon worker. Ah yea, for sure.


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[Assistant] Shout out to everybody who worked at 3rd shift. I'm doing 3rd shift right now. Hey, you ever worked 3rd shift job? Yea. Where was you at? Uh, Pepsi. Oh. 10 to 6, 30 a.m. Sunday through Thursday. That's my hours. Right now.


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[Assistant] Shout out to that third shift girl. I did a third shift at Amazon. That was like the club though. I appreciate that job. I'd much rather go to Amazon that weekend shift. Cause they had the vibes in there better than they had a Senso.


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[Assistant] You just gonna be up all night at work? That's cra- I can't- I couldn't fathom that shit now. I don't care, bro. That's better though. I kinda would rather prepare that. Yeaah. And then have my day however I want it. I mean, cause you still gotta go to sleep though, so it might be tough. You gotta go to sleep, bro. You get off at 6, bro. I used to get off at 6.30, go home, eat. Motherfuckin'. I have to go to sleep.


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[Assistant] Come on. Talk about it. I was fucking cooking. That's when I started hustling plates, nigga. I was doing that shit for real, bro. I had two jobs, nigga.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, I agree with that. Like I said, we on the topic. Everybody loves when we start to show off a sport, so we gotta get y'all covered. We ain't even gonna talk about the NBA. We just gonna talk about y'all, you know what I'm sayin'? Two phenomenons.


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[Assistant] Really, do you get people make it to the league in the same city, same zip code? Y'all made it to the league from the same fucking household. Like now that everybody's a little bit older, do you really like still feel the gravity of how like how far that is? Like obviously y'all talented and we knew y'all was like that. But now that y'all a little bit older, family oriented, you'd be like, damn, we like, we really did that shit. Yeah. Did that ever hit you ever so often? Like seeing it?


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[Assistant] Me? Ah, yes. Me being retired is fire. Like, it's like damn.


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[Assistant] Damn, lil bro did that too. Like, that's how I look at it. Like, damn, that's crazy. I don't really care about basketball no more, so.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't really shocking to me because I figured he would do that. So, but now when I look back at it, it's still cool.


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[Assistant] I think what's even crazier about it is like now, with you, obviously you retired, you've been a seasoned vet playing in multiple different leagues. Y'all both survived the business aspect of basketball and we see a lot of niggas who gets...


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[Assistant] Over the time that shit became normal. Like, people look at it a certain way, but that's just our life.


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[Assistant] But that shit is, if you look back at it, that shit is amazing. Come from the same house. My daddy even told me, damn.


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[Assistant] Coach Teague is a grandfather, bro, and Patino is still kicking.


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[Assistant] Craig, he in New York, he love it. Absolutely. He loves it. Damn, I did know that, bro. He gon' turn St. John's back up, I believe it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, college basketball needs Rick Patina. I gotta ask y'all though. I don't watch college. Yeah, I don't blame me either. It ain't that great. Y'all know what I'm saying, y'all. Little Kentucky team gonna be alright this year though.


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[Assistant] Should be. They got, they got a little Wagner. They got some hitters. Couple, couple pieces coming in. They got the one dude that got handles like a mother. Only thing, only thing, only thing about him, only thing about him.


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[Assistant] He not gonna let him do that. He's not. So he gonna have to adjust. Cause he kinda, he give me Ryan Hero vibes. He better than him.


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[Assistant] But he give me them vibes. Because you don't know Ryan Harrell. I do. I played him. He was silly. He just couldn't do all that. Ryan Harrell was like an M1 type of nigga, bro. Yea, but that made him good the way he played. He needed that to play. And Kyle wouldn't let him do that.


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[Assistant] So, dude gonna have to adjust to that. That's what I'm saying. I think he'll be alright, bro. I hope he is alright. I hope the best for him. Dude played like Ron Hero though. You got Ron Hero vibes, bro. I hope, I hope the best for him. They dribble the same, do all that. That nigga can shoot, bro. Ron Hero can't shoot. Nah, he could shoot.


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[Assistant] He can shoot, bro. He just had no confidence at Kentucky. Because people don't realize when he left Kentucky and went to Georgia State, he started eating, but nobody cared no more. He was shooting, he was doing all that, but nobody just didn't care no more. And he was killing at NC State before he went there.


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[Assistant] They got the, they got the number one recruiting class. Yea, they do. And they still might get another transfer. I like Wagner, he ain't flashy or nothing, but he just get to the point. He get a bucket, get it done. He get to the point.


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[Assistant] That's how his daddy play, he ain't really do, just got to the point. Just gonna score, get to the point. Get straight to the buckets. I think college basketball is so fucking crazy now.


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[Assistant] No, that NIL shit in the transfer portal, wow. Like everything, like I just looked at homie from Michigan, went to Kansas. I'm like, damn, I couldn't imagine just being able to be like, oh yeah, I'm out. Cause I know I got a bag wherever I go. But you got two.


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[Assistant] She's getting paid. Why would I come there, y'all not making money?


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[Assistant] Facts. If she said that in an interview, I was like, damn. I ain't mad at her for that, bro. And for her to say that is crazy. That's real though. That's what I stopped and like, shit. You turned out a lead.


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[Assistant] She basically said I make more money than the girls. The top of the top. Yeaah. Because right here pay way more than this. And I do. And she do though. And it's facts. It's crazy though.


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[Assistant] I understand that, that muthafucka bro. What was that parking that be here? I could talk to the muthafuckas across the muthafucka. Man, I'm sorry. Bleacher, bro. Nah, shout out to the fever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we changed the city. But I'll tell you what's crazy about women's basketball. When I seen Candice Parker, she said she never had a locker in until she got to the Aces.


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[Assistant] Nigga. Bro, you win a championship, you get dressed in the bathroom. I think she lined up. She probably taxing it.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me ask you a question, Moot. When you was at Kentucky, like, what was y'all practices like? Cause I seen a clip from John Wall and he was like,


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[Assistant] Cal had him running crazy. See, we didn't have to do that because Cal told us if we won all our games, we didn't have to run in condition. So we won all our games. That's hard. And we didn't run. We had practice for an hour and 10 minutes. Half our practice was scrimmage.


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[Assistant] And then the other little part was skill work and all that. But I don't have the college story that like you told me. Y'all did a lot of conditioning. You got crazy shape. I didn't have that story.


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[Assistant] We just practiced, we won all our games. So Cal was like, y'all good. Kinda like, spoiled us.


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[Assistant] That's hard. We good, cause we did win all our games. So I don't got that story, but.


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[Assistant] I did, one time we got in trouble. My boy T-Jones, love you to death.


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[Assistant] T Jones stayed out all night. Our first game of the season. He stayed out.


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[Assistant] And he got caught, he got in some trouble. So we had...


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[Assistant] We had to run for that after that. So we called us five in the morning. We had to do them 20 suicides that, uh, John Wall was talking about. That shit is crazy.


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[Assistant] At 5am? Yea. 20 suicides in 20 minutes. So basically you, every suicide you got a minute. But, you know, after five of them.


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[Assistant] We had KP, he the coach of the, uh, Louisville right now. Shout out to Kenny Payne. We had him, he had put us on the, uh, he had that treadmill running full speed the whole time, and we just had to jump on that and run for like two minutes.


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[Assistant] That's cool. Well he don't play like that though. I don't play- That's true.


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[Assistant] I'm back here. I, I, that's my fault. I just have to ball 30 times a game. Yes, he going crazy.


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[Assistant] But when you, when we first, when I first said go to Kentucky, they wasn't all, they wasn't all coming though. Nah, they wasn't. Nah, so I'm like, ooh, it's just go be you. It was like, you was killing. Even when they all was coming, it still sounded good. Until I got there and Cal like, don't shoot that much.


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[Assistant] Cause my first game, they all came, so you know, they come, I'm like, I gotta shoot. I had like 15, 16 points in the first half. My family here.


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[Assistant] But then Cal like, chill, you gotta get ADNM involved, all this.


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[Assistant] It does bro. I was just speaking from a basketball perspective. Nah, that's cool. I feel Gilbert Arenas when he be like, I could buy a ring and all that shit. Fuck that, bro. Fuck that. That shit is cool. Turn up, bro. Average 30.


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[Assistant] Fuck that. That woulda been five, ten million more dollars, bruh. Exactly, but what if you woulda came back?


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[Assistant] I like what Kentucky bring, like, after basketball. Ah, that's a fact. Yea, y'all got like, Kentucky show love forever. Like, that ain't how Wake Forest is.


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[Assistant] I can go there, I can go to Kentucky till I die. And be straight. That's a fact. I ain't got no better Wake Forest story. I'm just saying like, I appreciate what they did for Kentucky, like what's Kentucky do for them. Like they can go back to school for free. But this my point, he don't never need to go to Wake Forest again.


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[Assistant] If you don't wanna ring at Wake Forest and he ain't had a career he had, nobody woulda gave a fuck. He didn't win, he became an NBA All-Star and all this shit, and made all this money, all this shit, that shit worked out for him and our family.


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[Assistant] Oh man, that's crazy. I'm really surprised by that. I'm sorry. Get a bucket at the end of the day. Go ahead. Listen to the kids. Get a bucket.


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[Assistant] Because that's what they told me. Nah, I should have stayed who I was. Be a killer. When I was a killer, everything came how I wanted it to come. Pause.


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[Assistant] And he beat me, and he ain't played me since. So. How old was you? That's my story. Bro, I was in middle school. Right, since sixth grade.


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[Assistant] I beat him when I was in 8th grade. And that's how I was. I beat him when I was in 8th grade. I beat him. He was hot too. I ran in there and told my mama, you know, my mama gonna big everything up.


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[Assistant] Y'all, speak, y'all play pops, the driver, catch the fight one on one, cause y'all competitive as fuck.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I played, I played Mook when he was young, one on one. I used to beat up on him. You can't beat him, you know. He's my big brother. But then I realized, I could see when he started like, getting to that age where I was like, oh, he might be able to beat me. You know what I mean? So I stopped playing him. But I told him, I like, I'll catch you in the league. See, Jeff, nah, Jeff ain't taking me serious.


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[Assistant] So he like, we don't play no basketball. And when I went to they games, I'd be like a kid running around the gym playing. He used to do the worm around the gym.


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[Assistant] Come watch him play. Just like bro, don't play no basketball. What you talking about? First game, he came to my game. I let him tell it, but he came to my game. I acted a fool. I lost my mind.


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[Assistant] And his little brother playing. We get, as soon as we walk in, we'll get on fast break.


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[Assistant] She ran on the court kind of like, calm down. You act like that. So she come back in the stands with me and Louis. She was like, he can play.


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[Assistant] I need to understand why I've been the way I've been when I was little. He gon' tell y'all why. This what they did to me.


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[Assistant] Tell us your G Herbo Trauma Story. They be outside, we live on Gateway off 38. They, we be outside playing basketball. We had like a hole in our court. So, they need a certain spot to play basketball.


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[Assistant] Damn, bro. And then my cousins, the Kwan and them come in the house and be like, what the fuck y'all? Why y'all got him tied up and all this? That's how R Kelly used to do his bitches too, man. Bro.


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[Assistant] How many points you had that guy in? About 30, 35. Shooing nuts nigga. That's why I am the


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[Assistant] A lot of people told me that, y'all have no clue. This nigga has a lot of personality. I have no idea. He's hilarious. I have no idea. I got a funny story about us playing one on one. I remember we played one on one. Matter of fact, the story's a bit teague time.


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[Assistant] So look, uh, when we was younger, we would play one-on-one all the time. We would compete against each other. And uh, when he got of age to start probably about to beat me, I kinda knew. Cause he was a little faster than me. He was a little stronger than me. And I was like, I ain't


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[Assistant] I was like, I'll catch you in the league. Oh, and when I caught him. Oh, I caught him.


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[Assistant] Why? No, no, no, no. Why the fuck did it have to be my brother? I wish somebody else woulda did it. Why it had to be him? Now I gotta live with this for the rest of my days, bro. Yea, so, I'm on a fast break. He getting the game, I'm hype. And I wasn't going hard at first. Like, cause I wanted him to do good, you know. He wasn't getting it as much time as I was. I was a starter, so I'm like, oh, he getting his chance, he getting his opportunity. And Coach Bud like, hey, you playing, you playing soft against your brother. And I'm like, and we was trying to make the playoffs.


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[Assistant] So I was like, he was like, we need to win this game. We're trying to make the playoffs. I'm like, yeah, you right. Man, I get on a fast break. I see you in his eyes. I'm like, oh, it's me and him.


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[Assistant] What? I seen that right to left. I gave him the baby little jump. Then I gave him the big right to left. And he fell.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, oh, I wanted to ask my guys, yeaah, yeaah. So this is, this is the music segment, this is the best segment.


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[Assistant] Now we back, we back from a bathroom break. I just wanted to ask the gentleman a question about, you know, how I feel about R&B and rap collabs and shit. Like I fuck with it. What song do y'all think that was still in y'all head that y'all still fuck with to this day from a rapper and an R&B singer that y'all still vibe with? I like that Lloyd.


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[Assistant] He got you, man. See, I'm a classic type of nigga, man.


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[Assistant] So that fab into me is fire, but then I could take y'all back though.


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[Assistant] You said bedroom boom though. Actually is a banger.


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[Assistant] What? You drunk. I'm not riding. I ain't been drinking good tonight. Hey, get him some water.


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[Assistant] I'ma listen to Hov, too, but I'm saying- Every nigga I know, young niggas, cause I'm younger than y'all, they don't listen to that shit, bro. They don't, bro. New York vs. Georgia is up. Who? Alright, come on. Name me, name me, come on. Let's go, Young Thug.


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[Assistant] Yea, you did. I said his music is more versatile, bro. In the club, you're gonna hear a future song. It is. I never did. Nobody. Yea, it is. You know how they did Future?


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[Assistant] When I wake up in the morning and he make deep songs too. I wake up in the morning and I don't listen to Future. He's one of his biggest fans. Yea, my girl. She actually loves Jay-Z. But do most girls want to listen to Hov? I swear to God, if he listen to Hov. No, no, no, that's cool, but do most girls want to listen to Hov?


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[Assistant] Hey man, let me take off the glasses so we can keep it all the way above. So you can see my eyes, man. I appreciate you guys, man. I appreciate you coming, man, for sure. You, you know, I respect your, uh, your game. Appreciate it. Uh, what you've done and accomplished, man. You guys, what you're doing here.


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[Assistant] Lechev. Yea, Lechev Rock. I need y'all to see my eyes. No, I'm telling the truth.


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[Assistant] So, so, so, so really is like...


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[Assistant] And uhm, I just happened to, previously to Marvel, making that move and making that movie, I fucked up. So, boom. But that's the one.


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[Assistant] Well, a couple of things bring me to the city. Uh, one of the things is Dre. Shout out to Dre. Shout out to Dre. Half Brothers Films, uhm, productions, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] And I have to give it some credence or I'm not doing my job. Right? As like a brother.


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[Assistant] Right, so, boom, like a brother, like brotherhood. And, and Dre has, he's just so passionate. So I was like, man, I'ma come out there, man, I'ma come out there, and he's like, man, I want you to teach a master class. And I'm like, teaching is my


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[Assistant] So, so all of that kinda come together is like, man, Michael Jackson's from here.


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[Assistant] In, uh, in his shoulders, he galvanized around me, wrapped his arms around me, and really, uh, man, changed my life.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't have been great. I wouldn't have done Cadillac records if it wasn't for Laurence Fishburne. He comes up to the set one day, we were doing Armored, we were doing the movie Armored, and he goes, grasshopper, knocks on my trailer.


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[Assistant] But it's the work effort, like you, you do, in order for you to make it to the league, how much work did you have to put in? Too much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when I, I never drank alcohol before. Before I did.


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[Assistant] So I went all the way into the depths. Anything Lil' Walter did, except from the hard drugs, I did. That's why I drank, I drank a bottle of detainment center day.


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[Assistant] And the last day, I just said this, uh, uh, a couple minutes ago when we was, uh, uh, uh, the other interview, man, I had the last day of production and I looked up. The last day of production was the one scene I had to shoot and I had to shoot the dude. And I was like, man, I'm not even gonna look at this nigga when I shoot him.


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[Assistant] Bow, shoot, ah, walk off, steal my name, but, but, I'm already in little Walter mode.


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[Assistant] I've already been in this mold for 45 days. So it takes 21 days to make a habit.


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[Assistant] So now I'm like, man, and so, Denzel said something one day.


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[Assistant] About how, as much time as it takes for you to get into a character, it takes that much time to get out of it.


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[Assistant] When I went to the meeting, there was three ladies, Mary Halbert, Betsy Beers, and Shonda Rhimes, and I said,


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[Assistant] Uhm, whether I'm being number one, first, first lady and after, after Carol, you know what I'm saying, to be a black woman on number one on Akashi on network television, uh, was a big deal. And I, and I, about my personal life, uhm,


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[Assistant] 16 hours a day on set, I was with them more than I was at home. Uhm, you know, not that it's appropriate, but, you know, gave, given my wife room to be, you know, a raggedy thought. You know what I'm saying? All kind of things. Like, why, why am I gotta pay? Why I gotta, why I gotta pay?


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[Assistant] Just cause I'm working. Yeaah. That's not an excuse.


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[Assistant] Even though she a headache sometimes, she still, she still, she's solid as a rock. Right? And uhm, and, and.


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[Assistant] So I'm like, man, I knew they was like, you're not, the president of the studio was like, we can't.


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[Assistant] I did all that, and Chris had to die in the beginning.


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[Assistant] And, and going, making that movie was my college experience.


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[Assistant] But let me tell you something man, what that process was, was amazing for me seeing while I got out into the world, like I started traveling around like domestically, like doing, and people were like going to college.


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[Assistant] Our culture, uh, and to the...


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[Assistant] That's the beauty of that. And I didn't realize that, that what we were doing, you know, leadership, uh, leadership is important. So we, I can cuss, I can laugh, I can joke, which is all good. But we have a job guys to be, to, to, to hold us down.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? I don't, I never want to fight with y'all. I never want to beef with y'all. I want to figure out ways for us to help us be successful.


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[Assistant] Because nobody else is looking out for us but us.


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[Assistant] True to the Game, that's a real one. So, so, so, True to the Game was a real one. We, I produced that, uh, it was something that I believed in.


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[Assistant] Believing in Terry Woods, uh, you know, source material being a book. Uh, but we doing, what we're doing now, bro, is like, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, Braun, you know Braun doing, you know, Braun and, uh, what's his name? Maverick. Mav and, uh.


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[Assistant] Uh, yep, Ritz. They are, they are doing some real shit in terms of film production. But, we bout to, I'm coming with the heat. And, and, and bring in partnerships like you.


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[Assistant] To, to say, but, you don't, you don't gotta bat, you don't gotta, we, we do what we do, but you have the...


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[Assistant] The stability in the financial to say, alright, if we don't, we need 2.5. First dollar in is always the hardest dollar. Right? Always the hardest dollar in here.


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[Assistant] But if we have support, then we can now create projects and tell stories that need to be told, right? Stories that will always be about, so, I'm gonna say this right now, and I'm gonna keep it.


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[Assistant] But guess what? But guess what? I'ma say it one time and I'ma leave it alone. Would you mind? That's my dad.


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[Assistant] We do it, you partner with me, and we do this like this. You know what I'm saying? I'm lining it up on camera.


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[Assistant] No, you don't got an answer right now. I'm just telling you, if you want to, this is not your lane. You, so, so, so, Bron had to get top in the lane. This is my lane. Your lane is basketball. My lane is movies and television. And I got you. We can make this thing


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[Assistant] Uh, white school, El Segundo. Oh, where was it at though? LA. Oh, you was already gone by then. LA, man. You was gone. LA.


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[Assistant] I'ma give Don Cheadle some juice. Wait, Don Cheadle can whoop? He can whoop.


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[Assistant] Like he's a baller baller. I'm nothing. He's a Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan. I am too. But he can play basketball. He can play basketball.


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[Assistant] Damn, what? I'll let you finish it, we gon' come back to that. Uh, oh, he's a, whoa.


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[Assistant] Myself, I'm one of the best.


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[Assistant] He can hoop. We battled, we battled, we battled against everybody together. Together, I go to war with him. We was picking up games. I'll tell you guys a quick story. So, uh, LA fitness, uh, Cahuenga.


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[Assistant] And there's a guy with a towel on, a towel over this camera, and he has like this red light.


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[Assistant] And he went, as a dude, the dude ran off, boom, jumped 12 flights of the stairs at LA Fitness, and, yep, and boom, Chris didn't do nothing. Chris was sitting right next to me. And boom, he jumped the flights. Now it's Chris Brown attacks


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[Assistant] Police, it's all this stuff. So this is three days after the thing. And we went to, Pat said, put them in your car.


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[Assistant] Rihanna's house. That's on Jesus Christ. Toxic bro.


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[Assistant] Boom. So we go to Rihanna's house. Rihanna's not there. But we's over there.


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[Assistant] So my point being is that's one of the, one of the best basketball players, uh, one of the best artists. Uhm, and I, if I'm gonna come back, I gotta come back one more brother too.


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[Assistant] All of that, and I said, I said, I saw Brian McKnight one day, cause we, we, we were, we almost used to fight, like, on the, on the court. Me and Brian McKnight. So I was like, I saw him at the car wash one day.


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[Assistant] He said, I don't want them doing nothing. I said, man, Brian, well, I'ma give them all the opportunities they can have to be great, bro, cause you want to hate.


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[Assistant] Right? Jay not sick. Dame Dash sick. Some people sick.


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[Assistant] And we, we gotta fix the sickness. No, we don't, I'm not, I don't have, I don't have time to fix your sickness, but don't, don't block your kids. Yeah. Black balling. Yeah. That's it.


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[Assistant] But now I'm number one on a call sheet on a movie. So the dancers were standing at a hotel down the street on, uh, on Peach Street, right? But I had my own apartment. Me, Neo, uh, Megan, all of us, we had our own shit. Boom, over somewhere else. She made sure I was, I was waking up in the morning, 5.30 in the morning, going to the gym, ba-ba-boom.


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[Assistant] On the treadmill, blah, blah, blah. She was making sure I had all my food.


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[Assistant] So, Dave Scott, the choreographer, he never choreographed the final scene.


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[Assistant] That was a real lineup. Verse, verse, verses, verses. So we had already, like, we, we, we had the 15 minutes, I had the.


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[Assistant] Get Neo, get everybody, get all my boys together.


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[Assistant] Preparation meeting your destination means that if I wasn't, if I wasn't trained as an actor, if I wasn't trained as a choreographer, if I wasn't, you know, had all these skill sets to meet the moment that was presented in front of me, I would never have been successful.


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[Assistant] And I had a moment presented to me and where the preparation met the destination and the proof is in the pudding.


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[Assistant] So growing up like that, you, you, you, you know.


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[Assistant] I had to have three suits. I couldn't even play, you know, gray, black, blue. I couldn't wear shorts. Just to play drums. You know what I'm saying? Just to play the drums. You know what I'm saying? But I really play the drums. You know what I'm saying? And I really play keys. I really play bass.


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[Assistant] The Nissan, Rapture, they did all the Lea's project, that's when I started becoming a producer, because they were working on the Lea's project.


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[Assistant] I feel like they didn't- John Moran is one of the most- he's like Jordan, dude. He's like most- Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.


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[Assistant] A wonderful basketball player, not only in Atlanta. You are a wonderful basketball player, period. Appreciate it. No matter where, wherever you was at. I appreciate it.


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[Assistant] And you're a good teammate, right? Locker room worthy, right? Locker room worthy. Like we can't have no headaches in the locker room, right? We can't be stressed out in the locker room, worried about, uh, Jeff T got too much headlines going on right now. Boom. How are we going to win games? That's true. We distracted about your stuff.


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[Assistant] Where you going? Because we need you. You're an amazing basketball player.


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[Assistant] But guess what, if you put in your work. Hey Jeff, I want to tell you that I have love and all this respect for you, uhm, for what you've done to get to the league and everything you've done post. Let's go continue to be great. Let's make some magic.


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[Assistant] Nothing's personally. Okay. But he is trash as a work ethic.


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[Assistant] No work ethic. Uh, always injury prone. I'm not investing. If I had all the money in the world to invest in this man, I'd never give him a dollar.


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[Assistant] But you look at, you look at a guy like T, like what's going to happen right now with the Lakers. And I'm, and I'm, I'm, I'm tight with the Lakers organization. And, and I'm like, man, are y'all really going to try to do this deal with what's the name? And they're like, uh, they trying to figure it out with Kyrie.


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[Assistant] It's not gonna work. I already know it's not gonna work. But you got Reeves over there. Who got work?


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[Assistant] White jersey sales matter. I love me some freaking Reeves, bro. Yeaah, it's impossible. He's so hard, bro. That boy got hard.


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[Assistant] So I got my, I got my boys over there playing over there. He was trash over there. So we, but only because he's Lebron's son, he better do some work in the off season so he can be great. He has potential. For sure. But he was trash at that school. He was trash. Garbage.


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[Assistant] Hello, hello, hello. I appreciate all y'all for tuning in. Season 1. Yep. 27 with this episode 28. Thank you to all the subscribers. Thank you to all the YouTube followers. Thank you to all the YouTube.


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[Assistant] Well, Instagram followers. We appreciate everybody. Shout out to all of our guests too for coming and fucking with us, man. Thank you.


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[Assistant] Shout out to PJ. That was my, probably my favorite episode. I love everybody that came on the show, but PJ was probably my favorite one. We need a part two, in my opinion.


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[Assistant] I appreciate the love for sure, for sure. Man, I'm just ready to get season two kicked off. We got some big, big, big special guests. You know what I mean? I ain't gonna say bigger because we appreciate our previous guests, but.


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[Assistant] Nah, but Jeff right though, bro, it's kinda hard trying to teach your kid how to train, like. Be honest.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like Yannis, I think the only thing you can probably pull from Yannis is probably work ethic.


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[Assistant] Yea, but ain't no, ain't too many teams just retiring a bunch of fucking numbers, bro.


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[Assistant] It's only a couple. It's only a couple, y'all. It's not a shit ton of teams retiring a number, bro. To me, you killed to Indiana, but to be bitchin' about your number, nah.


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[Assistant] Being a nigga sustained and motherfuck gotta go through hoops and barriers for your number bro, it's out of pocket to me. Sorry bro.


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[Assistant] Different bro, it's different. J-O had a city lid too.


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[Assistant] J.O. and I, what I can say about J.O. though, and what I don't say about the rest of these players, you all know how I feel about the players, J.O. brought the first, the first real city league to the city. When he brought the city versus county players together. Yeaah. Then it was some good days. Those were actually better than the Indian All-Star games in the city, I can say that for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Dion is jello, bro. Like he's doing all the behind the scenes shit, bro. He the swaggy one out of both of them. Actually, he the most player one.


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[Assistant] I, I kinda, I don't, but I do have ones that are, I can say, or I can see more of me in.


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[Assistant] What's that mean? Like so far it's like my youngest baby reminds me of me.


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[Assistant] My, like sky is more like the...


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[Assistant] She more like her mama, bro. More timid and chill, like, Saia is me. So I get it. I get the rankings. The rankings are real. Yes. Deion is just the first nigga to make that, like, I'm sure Mama T had rankings for y'all.


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[Assistant] Cause the pressure is off. Like Jello, I mean Mello, Mello and Lonzo. Look at all the criticism Lonzo get bro. That's tough.


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[Assistant] That is tough, so should door get some type of criticism?


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[Assistant] When he starts to decline, I don't wish that on him, but I'm saying it's going to be heavy. Shiloh is like, we expecting Shiloh to fuck up. He'll fuck up.


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[Assistant] No, he was not. He still is. No, bro. Deion, this is why I be taking Deion's side, bro.


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[Assistant] He was just a flashy muthafucka. He never disrespected his opponent bro. Ever bro.


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[Assistant] Deion never had no crazy ass press run where he violating the next man bro. Deion was just...


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[Assistant] The first flashy motherfucker to say, Hey, I deserve this. Give me this. Dion was a me, me, me, motherfucker. He never disrespected nobody, bro.


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[Assistant] Nah, like I love what Deion doing at Colorado. He's bringing like the urban atmosphere to college football and college football needed that.


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[Assistant] No, I know, like that, we need, we need more of that, but I just don't think we have enough black coaches in, uh, you know, I can't expect a white coach to bring that type of swag to, uh, sports like that.


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[Assistant] I don't be in them comments, but yeaah, I mean, that's like, and Mobb D? I guess. That's not really, y'all don't really fuck with them like that. Or do people be trolling in the comments? No you don't.


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[Assistant] And what's so crazy is I know y'all don't know a Wu-Tang song. Fact.


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[Assistant] I got a question. I'm picking that girl. A girl that can't cook, which one are y'all taking though that she can make? Rotel or Alfredo? I don't eat Alfredo.


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[Assistant] Cause you can put different veggies in it. You can remix it. You can't remix Rotel too much. It is what it is. Just get the chip, bro. It'll be there or not.


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[Assistant] I don't even know, bro. Their motherfuckers was so, as bro said, salty than a bitch. Man, that chicken was so salty. Mark Henry hand on the motherfucking green beans. The show.


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[Assistant] For sure. I always tell motherfuckers at least to get the, like, the plates, cups.


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[Assistant] So if I got out of jack like that, you gonna shoot me some grace.


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[Assistant] That makes sense, but that ain't really mild. It's too fast for me.


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[Assistant] That was really hard bro, you were wowing me. Magnifilter versus views for the viewers. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah.


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[Assistant] So for us growing up, y'all got Jay-Z and Drake as the top two ever so far as ours. I would say young boy ain't for us. That's more who he coaching and shit.


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[Assistant] Chill, chill, chill. But nah, smokin' weed, I agree with bro, I can't do it. We know you indulge in marijuana, so. That's nitchin'. You passin' the blunt.


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[Assistant] No, no, that's not funny. That muthafucka might be crazy. Two out of them. Three or four nice.


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[Assistant] That might be a good time. That's what I'm saying. I might, I might pregame at the crib. Wait for it.


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[Assistant] Talk to a girl that smoke weed every day is kinda crazy bro.


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[Assistant] I f- I fuck with the locks. I do. But you- they gotta be neat.


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[Assistant] Now, if I say something about the shoes, my feet stay good. Now niggas wearing two little shoes. Niggas gotta make his model.


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[Assistant] Nah, I don't even care, bro. Million dollars, we can talk. I just want to be able to wear what I want to wear to the club.


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[Assistant] And when I'm hanging out, bro, I just don't wanna...


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[Assistant] You had to be real disciplined for that though, G. I mean I'm sure it made you a better college student.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what's your go-to move though? What you fuck him up with?


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[Assistant] So who do you, he put you on Eric B, but who, who you fuck with on the R&B side though? Did he the R&B guru?


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Ah yeaah, that's a good time. I've seen him in a year.


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[Assistant] You need to do that on your own. Nah, you hating. I'll do it though.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I like Mari, but I just feel like it was so redundant. You know what I'm saying? Like every time you watch this motherfucker, it's a new reaction to you are not, you are not the boss. It was a lot of girls.


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[Assistant] Maureen was so predictable, like we know non-stop, it might be one bitch on this whole episode who actually know who the father of her kid is.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, y'all's take on your significant other following their ex on social media.


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[Assistant] Once they deleted that one page, y'all remember it literally told the notification page, it told you like, who was liking who, so it was a whole page, you could scroll down that muthafucka and it'll be like, such and such did this, did that, you feel me, like, y'all don't remember?


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[Assistant] It's not though, it's not cause liking is low, I mean...


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[Assistant] If you're in a committed relationship and you, I don't be liking, if I'm in a relationship with you and I don't be liking niggas pictures, I expect you to not really like gross pictures.


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[Assistant] No, but I just feel like, okay, me personally, I try to keep it neutral. So if I follow you and you're a man and I'm in a relationship and I'm kind of against liking pictures right now.


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[Assistant] Then I'll, you post your kids, I'm like a picture of your kids. You post your business or something, I might like that. You know what I'm saying? But I'm not liking a picture of you and I got a nigga at home.


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[Assistant] Nah, I'm not gon- but I'll follow you, so you know I'll fuck with you.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I'll probably try, if I was to get in a relationship now, I'll probably try to like revisit that part of myself, but I feel like in the past, a nigga gon' get mad if I like somebody else's pictures, so it's like, I'ma have that same energy with you.


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[Assistant] Nah, I don't block niggas. Now I will block like, weird pages or you know, like, you know who I be blocking, mainly? Like, if you follow me, and I follow you.


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[Assistant] And you remove your follow, and I find out I'ma block you.


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[Assistant] I swear to God, like this day and age, I'm not posting, I'm not posting him. If I do, it's probably, it might be on Close Friends, but even on Close Friends, it's probably gonna be like his shoes or arm or something like that. It's not gonna be nothing, a dead giveaway.


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[Assistant] She ran away from her foster parent's house. She was reported as a missing child.


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[Assistant] Okay, it's the African sponge net, the exfoliating net. Okay.


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[Assistant] I'll try to confine my son into one bathroom and a whole house, like.


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[Assistant] Atlanta legend, all that. Uh, my dog, Josh Smith. Welcome to the pod. What it do, my dog? Oh, for sure. Thanks for having me. Oh man, for sure. Appreciate you coming.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number six with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink.


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[Assistant] Time to get back to the books. Last time I read some letters.


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[Assistant] This one is kind of hard pressed or it's a stretch to call this a book. Today we're, you know, I've given some pretty, you know, the last hundred yards is a very rare


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[Assistant] Piece of, piece of literature, if you could even call it that.


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[Assistant] Same with Battle Leadership. That's pretty rare. Now that one can be found on the internet. About Face was a pretty popular book.


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[Assistant] This one tonight, we're going with something that many people have heard of, or at a minimum, you've heard of Napoleon, right? Sure. But what's interesting about this, and what almost makes it cheating from my perspective, for me, is that these are maxims. These are already


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[Assistant] I'm looking for something very specific, right? And it's not


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[Assistant] You know, there's so, there's a lot of, there's tons of great books about war and they are about war. They're about what happened and how the war happened and what tactics were used and what unit moved where and how many people they killed and how many,


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[Assistant] Maneuvers they did and so that's very interesting and there's definitely lessons to be learned from that and there are there is knowledge and that there's knowledge inside of tactics.


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[Assistant] The most common one is like, if you talk about the flank, which is the most common tactic.


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[Assistant] Is, you know, if, if, if you're assaulting a target, you go straight on and that's.


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[Assistant] That's a frontal assault. But then what you wanna do is you wanna swing around to the outside and hit them from where they're not protecting themselves. So that's a tactic that can be applied to...


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[Assistant] You know, anything. It can be applied to a debate. It can be applied to jujitsu. It can be applied to business situations where, you know, you want to hit your competition where they aren't expecting it. So that's a flank. So you, so there is knowledge to be gained from tactics for sure.


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[Assistant] But what I am always more interested in is the leadership and the


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[Assistant] The human psychology, you know, and that's why I love battle leadership because that first chapter is battlefield psychology.


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[Assistant] You know, this is World War I. You know, there was no kind of...


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[Assistant] Foo foo new age, hey feelings and what are people know that all that stuff didn't exist and here's this guy talking about battlefield psychology and but but that's what I'm always interested in. That's what I want to explore. That's what I want to learn about. That's what I want to compare my experiences to because


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[Assistant] And I've said this before, leadership is the most challenging of all endeavors.


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[Assistant] And, and leading these human beings with all these variables is...


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[Assistant] The most challenging and therefore the most rewarding. So, while the tactics are important and you, and you...


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[Assistant] Can gain from them, it's how the people react, what they do, where they go, those are the things that stand the test of time and that's always what I'm looking for. Uhm, so, these kind of things


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[Assistant] Are that, are the things that allow you as a leader of other people to look at those examples and learn from them and gain from them.


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[Assistant] There will be little changes and little adjustments and you can see that there's changes over time.


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[Assistant] But the basic principles, no matter when, you can always learn from them.


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[Assistant] You know, and it's the same thing with the tactics, like, for instance,


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[Assistant] There was, you know, when we were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, then I did not fight in Afghanistan.


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[Assistant] But one of my good buddies that fought with me i-in Iraq and


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[Assistant] You know, we brought back a lot of tactics and learned a lot of lessons and he said, after he went to Afghanistan, he said, that's the same thing.


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[Assistant] And people say, you know, it's not that it's totally, it's a totally different war.


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[Assistant] And he, so he fought in both and he says, yeah, uhm, in Iraq, where we were in Ramadi, he goes in Ramadi, and in Iraq, it's streets.


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[Assistant] And buildings, and you know, you get the elevated positions on the buildings, and then you've got control over the streets, and...


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[Assistant] He goes in, in Afghanistan, it's valleys and hills, and you know, you hit the elevated position on the hills, and, and it's pretty much this, you know, the same thing. Are there differences? Absolutely. You know, but I'm saying the basic principles that he learned, he was able to apply.


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[Assistant] Again, not that I don't always keep an open mind that things can change and unexpected things will happen, but that's sort of where...


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[Assistant] That I love to read and read, but I don't take away.


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[Assistant] The same types of lessons that i wanna talk to people about or that i think people wanna talk about it be a different program it would be a different program and maybe we should do a program that's that's aimed at you know military.


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[Assistant] People, uhm, that are, that are concerned about tactics, cause that is definitely something that I...


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[Assistant] That I kind of worship tactics. You know, I love tactics. I love talking about tactics. Uhm, but, but.


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[Assistant] For the, for normal people and, and for military leaders, learning about how people react is to me kind of what's important and what I like to explore.


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[Assistant] So, interesting, I had a couple things about Napoleon. Everyone, everyone knows, you know, something about Napoleon.


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[Assistant] A couple cool facts about him and this is going into this book here, which, which the book is actually called Roots of Strategy and it's got a bunch of different


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[Assistant] Bunch of different sections to it and it's...


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[Assistant] Different leaders, different historical leaders throughout time in this section on Napoleon, Napoleon going into the book here, Napoleon fought more battles than Alexander Hannibal and Caesar combined.


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[Assistant] Pretty good lead in. We were talking about a guy with some knowledge. He astounded his opponents by the crushing rapidity of his battles.


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[Assistant] He marched against the enemy and his plan of battle was a part of his plan of march. So he's a guy that used mobility and used the quickness and the pace to dictate how the battles were going to go.


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[Assistant] His tactical system or scheme of battle was based on a holding attack against the enemy's front to keep them occupied, a wide envelopment or turning movement on the enemy's rear with a small force to spread dismay and confusion in the defender's ranks, and then the decisive blow.


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[Assistant] So that's what we just talked about. He was sort of a master of the flank. Hey, I'm going to do a good assault. You're going to be paying attention to that. And then from the side or the rear or somewhere that you're not expecting, you're getting submitted.


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[Assistant] Napoleon was the first great strategist of the western world.


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[Assistant] I would say that anyone that thinks of Napoleon thinks of him as a strategist and a great strategist.


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[Assistant] Now this collection of his maxims was published in Paris in 1827 and almost immediately was translated into German, English, Spanish, and Italian. Stonewall Jackson carried these maxims in his haversack throughout his campaign. This little volume.


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[Assistant] States Colonel Henderson, who is Jackson's biography, contains a fairly complete exposition in Napoleon's own words of the grand principles of war.


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[Assistant] And then the person that actually compiled the maxims. And this is actually, this is a statement that is very similar.


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[Assistant] To what I started off talking about, you know, what I like to learn about the art of war.


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[Assistant] Is susceptible of being considered under two titles. The one which rests entirely on the knowledge and genius of the commander. The other on matters of detail.


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[Assistant] Now, they're gonna break that down a little bit further. The first is the same for all time, for all peoples, whatever arms with which they fight.


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[Assistant] From this it follows that the same principles have directed the great captains of all centuries. So that's what I like to read about. Those, those same principles that have directed the great captains of all centuries.


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[Assistant] Those basic principles and a lot of those have to do with human nature.


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[Assistant] And then, and then it goes on to say that the matters of detail and what he's talking about matters details he's talking about.


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[Assistant] Tactics, on the contrary, are subject to the influence of time, to the spirit of the people, and the character of armor. And so, you know, that's when you change from having bow and arrows, to rifles, to machine guns, to bombs, to whatever. And so there are drastic changes in those tactics. And that's why, while they interest me,


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[Assistant] And I always like to find a common thread in tactics and say oh that's the same thing that we do, you know, that they did in World War I, we do that now. Or whatever. You know, I'm always looking to find that thread.


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[Assistant] But, sometimes it can be hard to find, and sometimes it doesn't exist to any great degree. Whereas the way people act...


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[Assistant] The way human beings respond to combat situations, it doesn't change.


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[Assistant] And you're right, but if you think about this, and we talked about this last time, like with World War One, you know, these basic...


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[Assistant] Needs for survival? These men just threw them out the window.


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[Assistant] It's just absolutely crazy. They disregarded that drive and just went over the top into hell and into machine gun fires.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes. I mean, I guess if we say that that's a...


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[Assistant] Normal trait, unless you say, look, people have an inherent trait to make their tribe, their family survive, then maybe that's it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know what, you're right and that thread, actually we can go through all of history and find a thread of, of groups of people that


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[Assistant] I will not use the term elite because I've seen every soldier who wouldn't be considered elite. I've seen them all do that. Marines do that and U.S. Army soldiers and, and you know,


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[Assistant] A plant, okay, now this is, now we're getting into the maxims, and I'm not, I obviously didn't do all of them, but I picked out the ones that I kind of thought had the most, uh,


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[Assistant] Talk about human nature, but at the same time also talk about from a leadership perspective, planning, execution. If they are important and they are universal, then I, I, I put them in here and this is kind of one of them that I.


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[Assistant] Just talked about with planning. A plan of campaign should anticipate everything which the enemy can do and contain within itself the means of thwarting him.


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[Assistant] Plans of campaign may be infinitely modified according to the circumstances. This is exactly what we heard on battle leadership from von Schell.


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[Assistant] Is that, so he just said, you know, the plan should anticipate everything, but then he goes on to say plans of campaign may be infinitely modified according to the circumstances, the genius of the commander, the quality of the troops and the topography.


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[Assistant] of the theater of war. So this is again a common thread that we hear all the time and that is you gotta have adaptability. You've gotta be, and one of the biggest hindrances to adaptability is ego.


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[Assistant] Is when you say, oh, you know what? My plan is awesome. My plan is, my plan is the best and I'm just gonna ride my plan into the ground.


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[Assistant] And take everyone down with me because I don't have the humility to admit that my plan went wrong, to admit that the enemy did something I didn't expect, to admit that I have shortfalls with my troops, or whatever the case may be, and say, you know what, I need to adapt. I'm gonna do it now.


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[Assistant] All wars should be systematic, for every war should have an aim and be conducted in conformity with the principles and rules of the art.


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[Assistant] War should be undertaken with forces corresponding to the magnitude of the obstacles that are to be anticipated.


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[Assistant] Now what caught me about that one was recently I got asked a bunch of questions about


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[Assistant] The situation in Iraq and Syria. And one of the things people want to throw out there because it's a...


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[Assistant] Buzzword or group of buzzwords and that's, you know, boots on the ground.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I kept getting asked, well, how many boots on the ground do we need? How many troops do we need to put on the ground? And my answer was the same every time, which is, we put as many troops on the ground as it takes to win.


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[Assistant] And to win decisively and without question. That's how you go to war.


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[Assistant] Little Maxim, which I really like.


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[Assistant] At the commencement of a campaign, the question whether to advance or not requires careful deliberation. So, before you go into war, you, you carefully deliberate.


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[Assistant] And this is something that I've been talking about lately when people think that because I'm a soldier, because I'm a warrior,


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[Assistant] That I want to go to war and I want all my friends to go to war. Which is just a ridiculous statement. If there's anybody


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[Assistant] I will say this, even on that, and that's a beautiful thing, you should maintain to the last extremity. That's an extreme statement. And I will tell you that you gotta balance that. And you wanna maintain that, but what I just said,


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[Assistant] Is that, you know, if your plan isn't working, you gotta put your ego in check and figure out a new plan. So yeah, you wanna maintain it to the last extremity, but just short of the last extremity is, okay, do an ego check and make sure you've got a good plan going.


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[Assistant] However skillful the maneuvers may be will always produce an injurious moral effect on the army. Since by losing chances of success yourself, you throw them into the hands of the enemy.


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[Assistant] Besides, retreats cost far more both in men and materiel.


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[Assistant] than the most bloody engagements. With this difference.


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[Assistant] That in battle, the enemy loses nearly as much as you, while in a retreat, the loss is all on your side.


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[Assistant] Again, a common thread that we talk about with von Schell, with Hackworth in that is being on the offensive is good. Being on the offensive is always better than being on the defensive.


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[Assistant] But these are, you know, and it's not surprising that you do say this before each one of these maxims. You go, wow, this is an impactful one. This is important. I've heard this before. This is another way of reinstate or restating the same topic that we say all the time.


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[Assistant] A general should say to himself many times a day, if the hostile army were to make his, make its appearance in front, on my right or on my left, what should I do?


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[Assistant] If he is embarrassed, his arrangements are bad.


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[Assistant] There is something wrong, he must rectify his mistake. So this is the humility of constantly asking yourself, okay, if I got hit from the flank right now, what would I do? How would I handle it? Am I ready for that?


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[Assistant] If I'm not ready for it, how do I make that change? So constantly assessing yourself, seeing where you're at, seeing how you're doing, that's uh,


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[Assistant] Common thread. Not just for war.


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[Assistant] But for being a man and being a human, being a woman, being a, being a person that's trying to be successful. Are you looking at, looking around and you know things are, I'm, I'm always most nervous when things are going well. When things are going well, I'm always thinking, okay,


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[Assistant] I was, uh, we, my first deployment to Iraq, we were doing assaults and capturing bad guys and we got,


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[Assistant] A guy and then we went and got another guy right, right on, right on top of them. We interrogated that guy, we went and got, we broke down some cell and my commanding officer at the time, he came to me and he said, hey Jocko.


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[Assistant] Those, you know, I think it was four missions in a row within 24 hour period. And he said, Hey,


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[Assistant] Those operations, that was awesome. Awesome work. You know, Tell Your Platoon, they did a great job getting the information, going back out there, quick planning cycle.


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[Assistant] It was just fantastic. You know, those are very admirable. And I just looked at him and I said,


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[Assistant] That's to avoid what you were talking about. To avoid being like, that's right. You know, I said, no, you know what, sir? Give us 24 hours and we'll screw it up.


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[Assistant] No, I had a good, great relationship with my, with all my commanding officers. You know, I always say that's my responsibility is to have a great relationship with these guys. And so he knew that I was just being humble and making sure that we don't get cocky even though he was trying to fire me up.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you know, he's probably trying to do that because everyone was kind of burned out. I mean, from doing, staying awake for a long period of time and doing a bunch of hops.


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[Assistant] And he was just trying to, you know, give some compliments. And I just said, Hey, sir, let's not, let's not get crazy here. Long deployment ahead of us still. So you gotta be careful with that.


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[Assistant] Upon lines remote from each other and without communications between them is a fault which ordinarily occasions a second.


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[Assistant] The detached column has orders only for the first day.


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[Assistant] Its operations for the second day may depend on what has happened to the main body.


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[Assistant] Thus, according to circumstances, the column wastes its time in waiting for orders or it acts randomly.


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[Assistant] So what that means is you've got multiple elements out there and you've got the main element and whoever breaks off from that main element


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[Assistant] They might know what to do the first day, but what do they do the second day? And this is just going into classic decentralized command, because in reality today, in today's world, this rarely happens where we lose total communications. And in the business world, I mean, I'm a text away. You can literally talk to me at instantaneously, but there there's there's times


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[Assistant] In combat and in the business world and in life, where instantaneously isn't fast enough.


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[Assistant] You know, it is not fast enough. When we talked about this with decentralized command, if, if, you know, you get ambushed,


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[Assistant] And you don't know what you're supposed to do as a commander when you get ambushed. You don't have a plan. You don't have an overall strategy.


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[Assistant] Then what are you gonna do? Call back to higher headquarters and say, hey, Jocko, we're getting ambushed right now. What do you want me to do? No, I've, I've, you, you gotta be out there in the field with the, with the commander's intent that you know what's, what you're supposed to do.


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[Assistant] And you know that if you get ambushed, here's what you're gonna do, you're gonna break contact or you're gonna...


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[Assistant] You know, flank the enemy or whatever the case may be, but you're gonna know what to do.


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[Assistant] In a business environment, it's the same thing. There's times where


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[Assistant] Instant communication isn't fast enough. You know, I actually see this when we work with like sales people. And you know, there'll be some hierarchy of, of adjusting product pricing.


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[Assistant] And you know, a client will come in or a customer will come in and if that person, if that frontline salesperson doesn't have the ability to make a pricing decision on the spot and say, you know what sir?


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[Assistant] I see you, you know, you've, you've shopped us around and this is the deal you've got over there. I can do it here. I can take care of you. We can beat that price. If he can't do that, he's going to lose. You know, if he goes, let me check with my manager. Sure. He could hang on to him, but there's a chance he's going to lose them. So sometimes instantaneous isn't fast enough. You know, it's gotta be.


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[Assistant] It's gotta be quicker. It's gotta be able to happen with no communications. And that's, that's what this is referring to.


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[Assistant] To be adopted as a principle that the columns of an army should always be kept united, so that when the enemy cannot thrust themselves between them.


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[Assistant] This is something that I always preached to my SEAL leadership, and that is that


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[Assistant] Separating your forces, and sometimes you do have to do it, and it's, and it's a completely acceptable tactic, but is always better.


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[Assistant] You can be separate, but you always need to be close enough to each other to support each other.


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[Assistant] If, you know, you shouldn't be getting, you and your element shouldn't be getting any further away from me and my element, then we could be able to support you. So what's the range of my guns? What's the accurate range of my guns? You know, if I can shoot 300 or 400, 500 meters, you know,


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[Assistant] If you have eight guys and I have eight guys and now we're getting further than that apart, that means I really can't support you.


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[Assistant] And that's not how you want to be. So again, there's times where people have to take calculated risks, but we always would say, you know, keep that, uhm, keep together. Stay together as much as you can.


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[Assistant] And again, this is a, I'm talking tactics now. This is like for people that are in the military that are listening to this podcast. This is something to keep in the back of your mind. Stay where you can cover and move. Stay where you can mutually support one another.


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[Assistant] They should move, oh, uh, when for any reason this maxim is departed from, the detached core should be independent in their operations. They should move towards a fixed point at which they are to unite.


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[Assistant] You've gotta know, okay, if I get separated and it's been an hour, I'm going to this fixed point and we're gonna make it happen.


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[Assistant] That's something, I was just gonna say, when you got a family, this is something you actually have to legit come up with. Okay, if we get separated, here's where we're gonna meet and here's what time. And by the way, if we don't make that muster for whatever reason, the next one will be here. And so you gotta have a little contingency planning with the fam. Make sure it's all good. What does muster mean?


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[Assistant] Uh, muster means bring everyone together and eh, count how many people you have.


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[Assistant] A well established maxim of war is not to do anything which your enemy wishes.


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[Assistant] And for the single reason that he does so wish, okay, that is pretty self-explanatory. Don't do anything that your enemy wants you to do. You should therefore avoid a field of battle which he has reconnoitered and studied.


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[Assistant] You should still, you should be still more careful to avoid one which he has fortified and where he has entrenched himself.


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[Assistant] A corollary of this principle is never to attack in front a position which admits of being turned.


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[Assistant] So one of the, one of the biggest pieces that I take away from this and this is you should still be more careful to avoid one which he has fortified and where he has entrenched himself. I used to give my guys warnings about this.


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[Assistant] About these fixed positions that are entrenched and I wasn't talking about combat. You know what I was talking about? I was talking about debates.


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[Assistant] I was talking about debates because you, there's, there's guys


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[Assistant] In the SEAL teams that would lure you into some kind of a debate about


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[Assistant] Let's say the strategy that the SEAL teams were using, the strategy, uh, the way things that they sh- the way they thought things should be done.


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[Assistant] The, the thing is these guys would sit there and have this argument with amongst themselves and, and with other people. And so they would, they would have these kind of fortified positions on them. And you roll into it and you're like, you got your experience, but


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[Assistant] You're not ready for a debate on it. You're not ready for these fortified positions that they're gonna throw at you. So don't engage in these battles. And, you know, it's like, uh, I was doing Sam Harris's, uh,


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[Assistant] Podcast, you know, and I went up there and there were some things that I thought well, you know, he might ask me about.


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[Assistant] Some of these philosophical opinions on things.


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[Assistant] And of course, I mean, I was ready to have a discussion, but what I wasn't ready to do was like stand my ground on the topic of free will. Right.


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[Assistant] With Sam Harris, a guy that's literally written an entire book, which is called free will and he has his own. So for me to engage with him, it's an entrenched position. It's something that I'm not going to


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna win. And I'm, in fact, you know, it's not, it's not like Sam Harris is a pretty mellow guy. It's not like you're not getting an argument.


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[Assistant] I wasn't even going to make any practical points, you know? And so I'm just always very cautious. And again, in the business world, you get people that


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[Assistant] Understand some part of their business so well.


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[Assistant] You have to be very careful and you have to plan when you're going to engage with them because otherwise you're going to get just, you know, destroyed.


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[Assistant] And the scary thing is, is that you can actually be right about something, but if you're going against someone that's got a fortified position, you can still lose the argument and look stupid.


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[Assistant] Not that there's anything wrong with looking stupid, but you know you wanna pick your battles.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, no, no, I definitely wasn't talking specifically about Sam Harris. That's just a great example, because again, it's a guy that's literally written a book.


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[Assistant] So if he wants to talk about it, and I want to say no, I don't agree with you, he's just ready for that. You know, just like if he said, you know what, hey, let's train jiu jitsu. I'm ready for that. I've been in every position that's going to happen in jiu jitsu. I've been in there a thousand more times than him.


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[Assistant] Because I've been training for a really long time. So if we have that discussion about free will, it's going to be the same thing. I'm just not going to...


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[Assistant] Yeah, because I'm not gonna go like we've talked about before, I'm not gonna go and dig through the interwebs and watch video upon video about this.


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[Assistant] The passage from the defensive to the offensive is one of the most delicate operations of war. And I actually have a, uh,


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[Assistant] A note of what I think is the most difficult operation of war. And that is linking up under fire. And again, you know what? Now I'm talking tactically.


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[Assistant] to, to people that are listening to the show that are currently serving in the military and the police. Linking up with other units, other friendly units under fire is, is one of the most difficult things to do because there's so much confusion. People are shooting


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[Assistant] You're trying to bring friendly units together. There can be bad guys in between you and obviously if there's bad guys in between you and the other good guys and you have to shoot at the bad guys, that means you're shooting at good guys too. Your bullets can hit them. So it's a very, very, very challenging thing to do.


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[Assistant] So be careful when it comes time to link up under fire. And you know what I think of when I think of this?


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[Assistant] I think of when you see companies merge.


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[Assistant] It's, they're, they're, you know, they're, they're moving together and there's just, it's very challenging. There's confusion. There's a disorder. There's a.


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[Assistant] There's a merging of the chain of commands of two different groups. So it's, it's very challenging. And so anybody that's going into some kind of a merger scenario, you've got to recognize out of the gate that this is one of the most hardest military operations and one of the hardest business operations to do.


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[Assistant] So you've gotta be aggressive with it, you've gotta plan it, you've gotta be clear about it, you've gotta do it in a simple way. Don't think that you're just gonna...


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[Assistant] Merge two companies together and it's gonna be all good. It's a very challenging event to participate in.


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[Assistant] This idea that you want to stay together. You want to work together. You want to, and I'll fill this word out there in case people didn't catch the first time I said it, the word mutually support or the words mutually support. You want to mutually support each other. Now what we find in the business world is you get different elements inside of a company.


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[Assistant] That do not work together. They don't communicate with each other. And it's the same thing as being out on the battlefield and you got your platoon and I got my platoon. And if we're not talking, how are we helping each other? It's we're not. And if we, if, if you try and hit the enemy,


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[Assistant] And the enemy's bigger and stronger than, than you are alone, well he's gonna beat you. And then if I try and, you know, later, even if it's an hour later.


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[Assistant] The law of combat called cover and move and that's what it is. It's about mutual support. It's about working together. It's about teamwork and it's about not having silos in your organization where one person just is going to be on their own or one elements on their own and other elements on their own and other elements on their own.


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[Assistant] It's both of us. Now, well structurally, I mean you have to have things structurally. There will be separate elements structurally in the military. I mean in the military there's, you know,


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[Assistant] There's artillery, that's a separate element. There's, you know, logistics, that's a separate element. You've got, then you've got the infantry.


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[Assistant] Companies and they'll be separate infantry companies, but they're all separate, but they have to work together. They have to mutually support. They have to communicate. They fail to do that. Well in a business, you've got the same thing. You've got a sales branch. You've got an operational branch. You've got an administrative branch. You've got a marketing branch and all those branches, they have to work together too.


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[Assistant] Anyone decides that for personal reasons or whatever, they're not gonna work with someone else. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And it does happen in...


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[Assistant] It happens so often in businesses, it's ridiculous. And it happens in the military too. It happens in CO platoons. It happens in inter-services. And that's just a huge obstacle to overcome. And like I said, that's why Napoleon Bonaparte himself put it in his maxims.


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[Assistant] Sometimes decides the issue of the day.


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[Assistant] So which battalion is that going to be? We don't know. Which element is going to hit that critical situation? This to me is bringing it back to, you know, being prepared and giving, you know, making your teams strong, all of them and balancing them because one battalion


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[Assistant] Or one element or one team or maybe even one person can decide the issue of the day. So balance is very important.


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[Assistant] I just couldn't help just going tactical with Napoleon on some of these.


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[Assistant] It should be adopted as a principle never to allow intervals through which the enemy can penetrate between the different cores forming the line of battle unless you have laid a snare into which it is your object to draw him.


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[Assistant] This is very simple for people that are in the military to understand and I just kinda talked about it. If you and I are the good guys.


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[Assistant] And we have guns. Just you and me. And we allowed a bad guy to get in between you and me. And he has a gun.


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[Assistant] Now, what is that? Do you understand what that does? If I want to shoot the guy and I miss by a quarter of an inch, who does it hit?


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[Assistant] Potentially me. It hits you, yeaah. It hits you because it's Murphy's Law. Not even, potentially it will hit you. It's Murphy's Law. So, you wanna always, again this goes back to, you know, unity of command and having your elements working together and not allowing other elements to penetrate in between your forces.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is. I don't know if Napoleon would have said it was a dope little thing to do.


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[Assistant] And this is the next one. Same theme. The camps of the same army should always be so placed as to be able to sustain each other. Right? You always have to be able to mutually support.


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[Assistant] Commissioned and non-commissioned, good organization, good instruction, and strict discipline make good troops independently of the cause for which they are fighting.


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[Assistant] Regardless of the cost that they're fighting for. Just because they have those things.


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[Assistant] The first quality, and this is now we're just gonna get after it. The first quality


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[Assistant] So the first quality of a soldier is constancy in enduring fatigue and hardship. That is the, this is Napoleon Bonaparte saying that the most important thing, the most important quality of a soldier is that they, that they can endure fatigue and hardship. Courage is only second.


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[Assistant] Poverty, privation, and want are the school of the good soldier.


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[Assistant] What is it about? It's about poverty, privation, and want. You know, it's about being hungry, cold, tired, miserable. That's what they do. You know, privation, I looked that word up actually. A state in which


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[Assistant] Things that are essential for human wellbeing are lacking. And that's what they do. And, you know, for me,


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[Assistant] You know, I was talking about like, you know, I don't sleep a lot. I wake up early. That's one of those things that it was pretty natural to me. Luckily, there's some biological genetic reason or whatever, but that


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[Assistant] Was very helpful to me. Very helpful for me to not have to sleep a lot.


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[Assistant] And being able to suffer through that well was, was beneficial.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a lot of guys that have that, that talent and people that don't have that talent have a rough time as, you know, as warriors in a real sense.


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[Assistant] You should, by all means, encourage the soldiers to continue in the service.


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[Assistant] This you can easily do by testifying great esteem for old soldiers. They do that very well in the military, you know, the older.


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[Assistant] More experienced veteran soldiers get a lot of respect.


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[Assistant] The pay should also be increased in proportion to the years in service.


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[Assistant] There was a great injustice in having no higher pay to a veteran than to a recruit. So that's...


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[Assistant] That's good. Now when I read this, this didn't particularly strike me as an important maxim to bring up, but it reminded me of a story that always stuck with me. And so I was over in Ramadi.


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[Assistant] And I was working with a, with a battalion. Called the first of the 506, Banda Brothers.


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[Assistant] I showed up to the meeting early, of course. I was meeting him in his office. But, and this guy was, uh, was just an incredible leader and an incredible soldier and really an incredible man.


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[Assistant] That I could not have any more respect for. And...


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not saying his name right now because I don't want to interrupt his privacy in his world.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know if he wants to have his name set on a podcast, you know, and we talk about him in the book and I don't put his name in there either. And again, this is out of respect for people's privacy and also out of


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[Assistant] You know, security reasons, you know, he doesn't want to have the


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[Assistant] Insurgence and terrorists of the world knowing that he was this guy. So, but I will tell you this, the guy was just a fantastic leader and


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[Assistant] So I went to this meeting with him. It was just a one on one meeting. I forget what we were talking about.


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[Assistant] I showed up early and he's in there and I can hear him, you know, he's, he's kind of talking to a soldier. I can't hear what he's saying.


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[Assistant] And there's just a soldier. And what's interesting about this is these, the army, seeing the SEAL teams, when you go, when you join a SEAL platoon for two years or whatever, how, however long it's going to be, you stay in that SEAL platoon, you do a workup cycle, and then you go out on deployment.


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[Assistant] The army does a little bit differently. The army, you could be...


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[Assistant] Three months into a year-long deployment to Iraq. And they will just, uh, they'll just leave. They'll be there time, their time in the army is up and they'll go home. Or, and then some new guy will show up and they'll be in the middle of deployment. And that's how they do it. The Seagull teams doesn't really do that. You know, you kind of stick together for an entire straight six or seven month deployment.


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[Assistant] So I show up to this meeting with the battalion commander and the soldier that was in before me walks out and, uh,


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[Assistant] The Colonel, I sat down and I said, hey sir, how you doing? Good to see you. He's like, hey, good to see you frog man. And he said, you know, that right there is a soldier is getting out of the army. And I said, oh, it's interesting how you guys do that. And he said, yeah. And he, and I said, uh, you know, what do you say to these guys when they're getting out of the army and this is the middle of the deployment? And he looked at me and he said, you know, when I deal with a soldier that's getting out of the army,


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[Assistant] He said a lot of people will say, you can't leave us now.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta stick it out with us. You gotta stay here. We need you. And he said, when I deal with a soldier that's getting out of the army, I look at them and I shake their hands and I say, thank you for your service.


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[Assistant] Awesome. To, to, to have a totally different attitude. Because the SEAL teams is like that as well. Someone's gonna get out of the SEAL teams, they're not gonna be on the middle of deployment, but when you get back they'll be like, oh yea, I'm getting out.


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[Assistant] And it's just a different attitude, and what does that, what does that tell you about your community? When you say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna move on, I'm gonna take care of my family, I gotta, you know.


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[Assistant] I got whatever going on in my life and I'm gonna get out of the SEAL teams and people are like, oh, you're a quitter.


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[Assistant] And that's normal. And they do that in every branch. It's not just the SEAL teams. And here was this guy and his attitude was, he's gonna say thank you for your service. Appreciate everything you've done. And I wish you the best luck.


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[Assistant] About, about how to treat people.


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[Assistant] About how to treat people. This is a guy that put his life on the line for months on end.


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[Assistant] It is not by harangues at the moment of engaging. Soldiers are rendered brave.


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[Assistant] Veterans hardly listen to them and recruits forget them at the first discharge of a cannon. If speeches and arguments aren't anytime useful,


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[Assistant] It is during the course of the campaign by counteracting false reports and causes of discontent.


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[Assistant] Maintaining proper spirit in the camp and furnishing subjects of conversations in Binlax.


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[Assistant] These several objects may be attained by the printed orders of the day. And so this is again as a leader, in a leadership position, this


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[Assistant] He's basically saying look, at the moment of combat, all your yelling and screaming and trying to motivate people is too late. The veterans like, the veterans aren't going to listen to you. And the recruits, once the cannon goes off, they're not hearing you either. So your main focus needs to be


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[Assistant] You know, during the non-firefight scenarios, that's when you get people with the mindset that's gonna drive them through these bad situations. If you're trying to do this, trying to encourage people during the firefight, you're late.


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[Assistant] Theme of the night. Nothing is more important in war than unity in command.


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[Assistant] When, therefore, you are carrying on hostilities against a single power only, you should have but one army, acting on one line, and led by one commander.


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[Assistant] There are certain things in war of which the commander alone comprehends the importance.


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[Assistant] Nothing but his superior firmness and ability can subdue and surmount all difficulties.


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[Assistant] This is the burden of command. This is recognizing when you're in a command position and when you're in a leadership position, there are some things that are yours alone and you have to drive from the top. And I talk all the time about leadership being


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[Assistant] At every level and how the lowest ranking guy is a leader and the person above him is leader all the way through the whole chain of command. But this statement, which I agree with as much as I know that leadership throughout the chain of command is infinitely important.


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[Assistant] It is important as a leader to understand that there's some things that you and you alone are going to understand and it's your responsibility.


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[Assistant] To ensure that that piece of the battle is handled correctly.


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[Assistant] To authorize generals and officers to lay down their arms by virtue of a special capitulation under any other circumstances than when they constitute the garrison of a fortified place would unquestionably be attended with dangerous consequences.


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[Assistant] To open this door to cowards, to men wanting an energy, or even misguided brave men, is to destroy the military spirit of a nation.


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[Assistant] From Napoleon, there can be no surrender.


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[Assistant] An extraordinary situation requires extraordinary resolution.


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[Assistant] Note taken, underlined in red. An extraordinary situation requires extraordinary resolution.


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[Assistant] How many things, apparently impossible, have nevertheless been performed by resolute men who had no alternative but death?


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[Assistant] And we could go throughout military history and find case upon case where I would tell you, yes, absolutely that commander made a wise decision to surrender.


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[Assistant] And, you know, that's, there are situations where that happens.


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[Assistant] But I think the main point of this is that to have that out there, to have that as a thing,


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[Assistant] Is not smart. And you know, going in with MMA fighters.


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[Assistant] And telling them like, listen, if you get caught in a submission, don't tap. Let it break.


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[Assistant] If you get critical choke, go to sleep. There's no submission. You are not tapping.


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[Assistant] Now, I've said that to guys and I've had some guys get out of some crazy submissions that they should have tapped and maybe they got a little bit injured, but they got out. And I've also had guys get caught in like some devastating submissions and been like, oh, you know what? Okay, I'm going to tap.


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[Assistant] But the fact that that attitude wasn't out there. Right, okay. That like, like, okay, you know what, if you get caught, you know what, just tap. I mean, you're not gonna say to a fighter, okay, look, if you get caught in a bad armlock, you know, just tap. No. No. If you get caught in a bad armlock, get out of it.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Oh no. Yeah. In training. Sorry folks, if you're in training, tap early and tapped often.


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[Assistant] Right, right. And it's not even etiquette. There's a better word for it. There's a word, I don't know what it is, but it's not etiquette. It's, it's our ethos. That's what it is. It's our ethos is do not surrender.