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[Assistant] Every group, if you made stuff that we make that you would ever want to see your stuff watches the podcast. And that is more than I can hope for. So that's incredible.


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[Assistant] Really? Because a minute ago you were a multi-hat god and now here we are as a person.


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[Assistant] Anyway, but even having Jose where he can remember and tell stories from.


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[Assistant] You know, advanced armament and kind of it's heyday when he came in, where he went from his first job is stocking the shelves in a grocery store. Then he comes to work for us. You know, that's what I love to see. He was like a young dude who wasn't jaded was so fricking happy to be just working at a gun company.


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[Assistant] And then he was there through all that stuff, you know, like the purchase and then where they went nuts and.


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[Assistant] You know, threw me out and just all the crazy shit that he, you know, that they did.


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[Assistant] Once it kind of closed down him going over to the guard, just such an interesting story from another perspective, you know, it doesn't always have to be the guy who's the command master chief of SEAL team six or the head of the NRA or, or whatever it is, you know, and even Wayne Weber, what a great podcast that was.


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[Assistant] Um, but you know, you can learn just from like Jose is very first real job and he has so many great stories and it's history that a lot of people are interested in that. I've forgotten most of that honestly, cause you know, I wanted to probably.


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[Assistant] I mean, Bill Rapier? Holy crap. What a gentleman. What a wonderful human being.


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[Assistant] Well yea, because you guys, you know, you get to hear before we even record where they tell stuff that they're not gonna say on camera.


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[Assistant] And just how crazy it is, but then it's all, you know, they retire they're here and they're normal dudes. You know, they like hunting their husbands, their fathers.


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, just doing normal stuff, you know.


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[Assistant] Taking kids to sporting activities, doing the thing, you know, just coming back to normal life. What a crazy transition that is, but they have the experience of using all this equipment and, and.


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[Assistant] Oftentimes, you know, developing it, then I think that's an interesting perspective because now we see social media and we can see the Q haters and the, you know, 15 to 22 year old kids that know everything. And you know, I attract a lot of that and you know, I love that. That's fine. But then when you see these guys and where they're from and.


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[Assistant] You know how long we've been friends with them and worked with them and things that we've done, whether it's, you know, just me and Ethan or it's Q or it's the old company and the respect there and that it's.


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[Assistant] You know, that's not something you're gonna buy with an ad or buying followers on Instagram or, you know, whatever it is. Uhm, so, you know, and just like, uh, Wayne Weber and his story in that podcast, how great that was, you know. He's unreal. We have to do a part two. Yeah, we gotta do a part two. Him and Chris. Him and Chris Barrett. Uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, and I love doing these too because a lot of it for me is, you know, I never had a historian. I don't, I take a lot of notes now, but I never did back then. You take it for granted because I was young with advanced armament and.


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[Assistant] Whether it's talking to Wayne or Lou Goodman or you know, Tom or whoever, I, you know, John Clements, like I forget a lot of the things that we did and they helped to remind me and it gets me excited and thinking about all the things that we actually did. You know, from my perspective, I don't know. It's probably like.


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[Assistant] When I, I don't know, a while back I pulled up a video, a song on


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[Assistant] But you know, I mean, I think it's the thing with any, whether it's, you know, you know, any sort of art or creative process, whether it's music or.


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[Assistant] You know, like me with, with, with drawing in my art or...


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[Assistant] You know, firearm stuff where I've done design. When you look back, you're like, Oh God, I can't believe. But at the time.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, advanced armament, we earned everything on merit.


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[Assistant] You know, we didn't have, I didn't hire these guys when they were tired. We didn't have an end like that. Like everything we did was on merit and I look back at it now and I'm like, oh.


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[Assistant] It's some of the stuff that we did back in the day when I was designing and engineering stuff and.


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[Assistant] You know, and now I know the importance of actual engineering as a result of.


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[Assistant] You know, not other companies failures. I like to point them out because they get so much hype behind them because, you know, appealing to, you know, the subreddit crowd, but, um.


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[Assistant] I pointed out because we have engineers for a reason because I used to be like that and I was doing that and winning those contracts and then.


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[Assistant] You know, looking at it now and thinking, oh man, I don't want to be judged on stuff I did 10 years ago or 15 or 20 years ago. I want to be judged on the stuff we're doing now and tomorrow.


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[Assistant] But it's hard, whether it's a company or it's music or anything like it's documented now. Like I forget about all my stuff. I started.


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[Assistant] When I started advanced armament, I had never even been on the internet.


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[Assistant] So you think about that, like you, you kids grew up with social media and all. And that's where I think about too, it's going to be interesting when, you know, in two years from now on Facebook and Instagram and all these social media platforms kill everything gun wise. Right.


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[Assistant] To me, it's the only marketing we do.


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[Assistant] So we'll host our own stuff and that'll be fine, but I actually kind of look forward to it in this sense. Like as an American, I hate it because it's bullshit and it's restricting freedom.


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[Assistant] But the other side is, I started my first company and we didn't have these things. And I don't know how all these young kids that know every fucking thing that have companies now are going to survive. Like you guys have had social media or whatever probably since the time you were born or old enough to know.


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[Assistant] You know, but I look forward to these challenges because what I see a problem with social media now is


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[Assistant] You know, and I guess to some degree it's the reason, you know, I can attract haters because I can.


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[Assistant] You know, whatever be like the Bobby night. Well, you guys probably don't know who that is of our industry is Indiana basketball head coach that.


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[Assistant] You know, with our stuff, it's easy for all these kids that have never done a fucking thing to hear something from somebody else, like never use a product. And then.


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[Assistant] You know, not only do they have an equal voice, but they've never done anything. They don't, they have lots of time and...


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[Assistant] They, you know, they're fucking kids. So their voice is actually really big cause they can go all over the internet and spread shit. But when social media.


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[Assistant] Fuck those guys, man. Fuck those guys. I don't want anybody telling me what to do. Right. Like tactical distributors, Unpossible 15 gets you 15% off.


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[Assistant] He, me, him and Ethan did the honey badger doll kind of stuff. Like I just love Eric and Nick and what they're doing and I want to support them.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't know, what do they do? Give us mounts and we give them guns. Like it's probably not.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's something I want to be associated with and that's like tactical distributors. When you start taking money from them and they make a shit product, I'll tell you what, if Reptilia makes a shit product, I'm going to call them out in a second.


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[Assistant] And you know, cause it's like, I post the thing the other day, their little cutie cup attachment for MLOC, you know, and, and that is, uh, adopted by a foreign ally for their special forces. Like.


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[Assistant] I hate QD cups. I hate QD sling attachments, but they're still very popular. If you have to have one, that's a cool one. And you can tell Eric and Ethan work together. Ethan is about simplicity, lightweight, strong.


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[Assistant] Eric is an industrial designer, but a brilliant kid. So him working with Ethan was a great combination for me. That was a hell of a tag team.


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[Assistant] It was like, it was like a hawk and animal, the road warriors because Eric understands like making things simple and beautiful. And Ethan was able to really educate Eric on designing for strength and.


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[Assistant] You know, mechanical engineering standpoint and, and Eric really influenced Ethan like the stuff that Ethan designed is always mechanically been incredible.


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[Assistant] It's like he's colorblind to, I don't know what you would say, but to aesthetics, like it didn't even make sense to him. So it was like a much.


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[Assistant] More difficult process for Ethan to learn to make things not hideous than it was for Eric to learn the mechanical stuff, working with Ethan everywhere. So, you know, it's, it's like our, our homies that make good stuff.


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[Assistant] I don't want to take money from them. I like the relationship of, you know, Griffin and Hal. You know, they're the homies, Mike Murphy, their facility is incredible. We just went there this weekend, shot a competition. The people are great. You can't believe the facility.


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[Assistant] Going through how they make guns, it is the polar opposite of what we do. And it is one of the most inspiring gun companies to me right now, because I mean, historically just.


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[Assistant] You know, when Mike was on here and you talk about they make guns for Dwight Eisenhower, Gary Cooper, Hemingway for his guns for Africa.


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[Assistant] And just the history and then what they do, everything is made by hand like this weekend. So I bought one of the.


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[Assistant] A rifle that is almost exactly Hemingway's rifle from the early 1900s from his hunts in Africa, which was an 03 Springfield sport arise.


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[Assistant] Custom stock, scope mount, the, uh, iron sights that they put on it. They do everything to it. And I got one, was able to purchase a used one that was traded back into them or sold back to them as in their pro shop there in New Jersey where we were at Griffin and Howell.


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[Assistant] Um, and they buy collections, a lot of collections from like wealthy guy, you know, states when they died that have a lot of Griffin and how custom made guns. And I was able to get one of the vintage ones and I dropped off an 03 Springfield that Nick Schaefer, one of our engineers gave me shout out to Nick, um, to make a brand new one.


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[Assistant] So we'll have, you know, and that'll take a year to build because they do everything by hand. Like the piece of wood that I picked, it's just a big block of wood and they rub it with water and they pull down until you find one that you like the grain and it's got a price tag on it and you pick it and then, you know, they trace it.


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[Assistant] Like you pick the pattern that you want your stock to be and they trace it on there and then they just get to chiseling away. Like it's just so opposite of what we do, but you know, these are companies I want to support more than I want to take ad money.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I want to promote it, but I, and it seems like a paid ad for me, but just because I understand it's a completely handmade custom made thing and it's different than what we do, but that's dying. What they're doing is a dying thing.


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[Assistant] And there are people around who have enough money to support it, and it's just an interesting part of our industry.


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[Assistant] That, that I hope enough people are still into to support because


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[Assistant] You know, to be a member at their farm and everything, like, I mean, you guys saw how nice it was. Like it's expensive. And so the majority of their customers are like old rich dudes. How do you get, yeah. So how do you, we saw those dudes, how do you get a younger generation? And I think it kind of used to be, well, you know, they wouldn't have the money to do that.


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[Assistant] But now there are the guys, like their guns are five to thirty thousand dollars for one of their guns.


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[Assistant] I mean, there is, but I think the story has to be told. Number one, they have a bound book where every gun they've ever built is in it. So your name's in there with Dwight Eisenhower, Ernest Hemingway, Gary Cooper. And then there's also, when you think about


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[Assistant] Cause I was talking to one of our engineers about it when we were there this weekend, before we went through the shop where they build the guns and he's just like, and it's yeah, for a lot of modern things, the fix does stuff better than what they do.


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[Assistant] Understood, but I knew he number one is a machinist. He apprenticed as a machinist and then he's one of our mechanical engineers. And I said, you are going to understand, like we set up to design our stuff this way to where we don't have to do any hand fitting, but you need to appreciate


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[Assistant] This other side of things. And when we took him in there, he was blown away at the stuff they do, the attention to detail. And I said, think about it like this. So we're having this discussion night before drinking beers.


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[Assistant] He's like, I don't know why you care, but I said, okay, you know, like if, if money were not an option, like I love the new Corvette, but I would never buy a Corvette. This one, it's just like Savage makes good products.


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[Assistant] I'm not really going to probably buy them. And maybe that's me being stuck up or whatever it is. You like what you like. I like what I like. And you can't be proud to own a Savage when you go to hunting camp. Then it's like the new Corvette is probably the best value in like a real sports car. And every time I see one, I think it's like a new McLaren for a second. And then I'm like, Oh, sick.


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[Assistant] And you know, I, I love like vintage Corvettes and all, but they just ruined it for so long. So like you're proud to have a Ferrari and Aston Martin.


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[Assistant] You know, a Lamborghini, like any of these things, like a Corvette is like, yeah, you're retired, like FBI agent, asshole neighbor. He got one for retirement gift to himself.


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[Assistant] So it's, it's kind of, I think maybe sort of a similar thing. Like you can get the performance out of the new Corvette that you can get out of most any other car, but you still got a Chevy.


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[Assistant] Well, I think like a modern model 70 who gives a shit, a pre-64 model 70, that's like Americana.


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[Assistant] It is, it is boomer. And, um, the one I just bought is 30 out six and.


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[Assistant] That was what we were going to build and the one we dropped off and it probably still will be, but you know, that that's, it's Americana. I mean, and then too, it's cool that it was, I mean, as you get older, you know, you feel differently about a lot of things and you will feel very differently when you're my age and you do now, but.


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[Assistant] It's like, that was a World War I gun, the 03 Springfield, World War II, the 03 and the Garand.


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[Assistant] You know, that's like a rich American history, and you know, we just, Griffin and Hal, like Mike said, we just didn't have an awesome American gun company for hunting rifles at the time, like World War I, World War II.


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[Assistant] You know, Winchester started coming on, but that's, you know, they took those 03s because guys were in World War I, they knew the gun, it was reliable, they were used to it.


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[Assistant] And they had them because they brought them back from the war. And it was sporterized for a hunting purpose. And so it made a lot of sense. And I think just understanding that history.


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[Assistant] Just like I got a double rifle and I was looking at another one when I was at Griffin and Hal.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure I'll probably end up with five or six double rifles. Like I don't even need one. Like I probably want one, but over the course of my life, like you laugh, but they do long-term storage for guys like wealthy people that live in New York that have like $10 million gun collections. And we got to walk through some of that. Like there are guys with a hundred double rifles. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But, you know, and I was like, oh, you know, and I started, I was like, what the fuck? But then it's like, you know, Mike's like, Kevin, what you got in your collection? I'm like, oh.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, like at one time I had a thousand machine guns. A thousand machine guns. And I probably shot most of them. Like once or twice.


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[Assistant] That's insane. Yeah. And so I sold a lot of the collection to grow advanced armament in oh seven. Um, but for instance, I bought mg 42s for $3,000 transferable ones.


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[Assistant] Oh, some of the guns in that store were, you know, quarter of a million dollars. But this is like a different location on the property where they do long-term storage. And then there's a facility where they build all the guns and it just happens. One of the guys came in, we were touring on Sunday, the main guy in the shop and, um,


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[Assistant] I think he's kind of like the shop manager, but he does the stocks by hand and he had like a four and he had several pieces up in his work area.


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[Assistant] And I think that's a different, you know, the differentiator differentiator that you gotta make is like, um,


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[Assistant] You can say, uh, well it's like when somebody builds a, a, a PSW, Palmetto State Arms. That's a PSA.


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[Assistant] Gun and for $500 and then they'll paint it like the honey badger. Yeah. It's like having a Biero with a Ferrari body kit. My man. Um, that's cool. Like any gun to me, like I like guns. It's cool, but it's a different fucking thing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, there is no free lunch. And if you want the stuff like we saw at Griffin and Hal, like it's like the only way you get it cheap is you have Chinese and Afghani children do it. Like that's the only way you have to have slaves to do it. You can't otherwise. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's the truth. It's like all that.


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[Assistant] That's why it's cheap. If you want handmade, like great quality stuff, you gonna pay for it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, no way around it. And so I think if we look at part of it, it's like I love firearms.


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[Assistant] And the artistry of it is one thing and kind of the history and somebody handmade it and whether it's musical instruments or whether it's firearms or whether it's art. Like, you know, I've got some original art in the house that's expensive and I've got some limited prints from.


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[Assistant] You know, and it probably doesn't make sense to most people, but I have a great appreciation for that. But I could also go online and buy like posters of it that sort of look that, you know, and for 40 bucks and frame it and put it up.


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[Assistant] I mean, just that stock, that stock was probably five or $10,000. I mean, it's a handmade stock, hand checkered, the butt plate and trap door. Like it's all handmade. Um, and I get it. Some people don't appreciate it. And I think Griffin and Hal just like Q or just like ours North. It's not for everyone, but they're, they're,


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[Assistant] Is, even if it's a niche, America's big enough, there's enough consumers, and they just need to be educated on it.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, it's like, you idiots, your music, like everybody that I show, show your music or videos to, like Rad, he sends me the video of him and his woman on the back porch in Mozambique.


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[Assistant] Like, playing hours north, watching hippos and elephants go by. Red loved hours north.


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[Assistant] Was it Cosines? Oh, I like the video. I told you I had the one critique, otherwise. Fucking great, man.


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[Assistant] Well, I think what'll be interesting is, you know, like, I mean, I told you guys, I hope you guys get rich and famous and I'm just like the tour manager or whatever.


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[Assistant] Our hype man. Oh yeaah, the hype man would be better, cause that's like less, like, less responsibility, more fun. You're our flavor flave. That's right. That's right.


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[Assistant] And, but it'll be interesting to see if that can happen for you guys. Then all of a sudden it's going to be, Oh, what are you guys like kings of Leon? You'll get like the young idiots to think they know everything about music being like, Oh yeah. And you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, what can you guys do in music that's not been done to some degree that you can't tie it to? Literally nothing.


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[Assistant] Like your body says, you know, but you know, one part of it is it's like, they think they hurt my feelings. Like I was just born mad. Like there is just no excuse, you know? And then I was just, you know, and it was just.


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[Assistant] Get it, but they think they get to me and I'm like, Oh, I realize at some point.


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[Assistant] You know, it's like Facebook getting in trouble for their algorithms. What they understand is anything that like induces controversy, they get a hundred times the engagement on and that directly correlates to the advertising. Right.


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[Assistant] And if the, you know, for me, if we can get 10 times the coverage and the result is, you know, 10% of the people think I'm a huge asshole.


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[Assistant] Don't care. Yeah, don't care. It's promotion, but it will be interesting to see if you guys, uh, can, you know, like do everything, your wellness dreams. It'll be interesting to see how you can be the nicest guys in the world and it's still, you're going to get these assholes. It'll be like, yeah, you know, whatever.


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[Assistant] See, I don't know either one of those, but I would say there's probably not a lot new in music, so I don't, and I admittedly know shit about music. But also, I remember one time, this was,


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[Assistant] 20 years ago, when I was, you know, younger, my buddy picked me up with going to the club and he had his like MP3 or whatever he had at the time. He was all like high tech. So I was probably still rocking CDs and he, his playlist and Britney Spears came on, you know, hit me baby one more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I was, but at the time though, you know, now 20 years has passed. So, but at the time I was like, what the hell? And I've actually still quote him today because I remember he's like, yeah, like I fucking bought the 20 million albums.


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[Assistant] It doesn't, I mean the thing is, if you do something that...


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[Assistant] You know, for us at Q, if it's useful and it's better than other stuff, or for you guys, if you touch people, they enjoy listening to it, it's just a side effect.


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[Assistant] Make millions of dollars either. Like I set out not to work in a fucking factory. Like that wasn't my goal.


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[Assistant] Oh, like, like the genius about the HK stocks don't. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's, you know, and you don't have to believe me.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna get on here and lie about what I've done or what we've done or what I've seen. But if you want another source, okay.


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[Assistant] Here's the president of H and K. Like your other anonymous 22 year old friend with his private account, you know, named after his dog. He's the expert.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's easy to be bold when no one knows who you are and you got nothing to lose. Absolutely. Um, so those kids should go out and do something rather than just talk like talking shit. Totally. Okay. I love it, but you know, you gotta be able to back it up. Like do something with your life.


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[Assistant] But with the rest, with the rest of that being said, you know, I think it's like our Instagram or like the company, it just grows organically. We get the proper engagement.


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[Assistant] By continuing to have these podcasts that you know, provide actual quality information where we're not like asking you to buy stuff or you know, buy stuff from people that give us money.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. You know what, I want to share these experiences, cause the more that goes on, like,


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[Assistant] I've taken a lot of my life for granted, but I know, like, like me or not, most people that are into guns would probably trade with me. Like I've been very fortunate.


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[Assistant] You know, part of that is a continuing education for me, whether it's gripping and how, or it's going hunting in Africa, which we gonna talk about.


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[Assistant] We gotta get into that. Like, I'm so like Crusader, so I'm building...


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[Assistant] My own lodge over there now. And this is not something that


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[Assistant] It's going to make me any money. I want them to be successful because I've been on a lot of hunts. And like I've talked about before, it's just different there. It's like going with your buddies. And, um, some people require, you know, like some of those people at Griffin and how are you really vaping on the podcast? You're so lame.


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[Assistant] But anyway, Crusader, I mean for me is a life-changing experience. The first time I went. With the homies. Don't, don't be creepin'.


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[Assistant] So uhm, and I want to share it, I want other people to go because I think what Crusader's doing, just like Griffin and Hal, it needs to be marketed and people need to know.


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[Assistant] And go do it like, don't wait till you're old. You can go on a hunt at crusader safaris cheaper than you can go on a good whitetail hunt or mule deer hunt in America.


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[Assistant] And including your flight and it is just a wonderful, wonderful experience that you should support. Um, with that being said, you know, uh, cause I'll be there hunting the lion and Mozambique. You're going to get a lion, the lion.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So in Mozambique, so there's different ways to hunt lions. Like you can track them and hunt them, but you can do that in parts of Africa, but not in other parts because of the terrain, you know, like in sandy areas, it's very easy.


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[Assistant] Well, it's easier to track them. Um, then, then another areas like we'll be in Mozambique. It's very difficult because you have, um, different soil and you have a lot of grass and stuff. So it's harder to track them. So you bait them.


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[Assistant] But, I'd probably be inside 50 yards. Yeah. And, and that's scary. Like the buffalo, well, we haven't even talked about the buffalo. We'll talk about the buffalo story.


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[Assistant] I didn't know how scary the buffalo hunt was, or could be.


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[Assistant] But like you don't have to tell me hunting a 500 pound cat is scary. Like the little part of my brain knows that's terrifying.


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[Assistant] I know in my hunting at night, predator hunting in West Texas. So if a lion weighs 500 pounds, you know, like a mountain lion in America will be 70 to 200 pounds max.


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[Assistant] And we had a mountain lion about 50 to 100 yards from us roar. I don't even know if it's called a roar with them. I don't actually know, but it screamed at us. It was the most horrifying thing I've ever heard. I was terrified.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, you know, and we'll get into the buffalo hunt that Thomas and I did in a minute with 86, but...


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[Assistant] That to me is like a buffalo, like when you look at it, it looks like, you know, kinda like


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[Assistant] You know, I, well, I don't slo- I mean, I- Yea, but, you know, I had, um, cattle at my farm in Georgia and I had some bulls and the bull was not to be trifled with.


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[Assistant] But it, he wasn't, he wasn't after me. It was just like, like, you know, we had to go, we had one main bowl and when you needed to go, you know,


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[Assistant] Worm him or put some stuff on him, flies or whatever. Whenever you had to put your hands on him, he wasn't having it and you just had to be very careful or you could get hurt. But you know, with cats, like they're.


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[Assistant] They're so fast, they're so strong, they're so vicious, they'll eat you.


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[Assistant] Um, to me it's just a different, different thing. So, so the lion hunt. So I'll go on both kinds of hunts. This one is, um, in Mozambique. We're going to bait and we have to build our own blinds. So we'll be probably within 50 yards of him.


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[Assistant] I think I will be much more nervous on a, on a stalk of a lion than this type of hunt, but I'm sure it's going to be horrifying when it happens, but I don't, I don't think I get really scared so far, but I've not hunted a ton of things that would


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[Assistant] Because they're soft, you don't really need them. Yeaah, it's a soft hide, so you can shoot them with .6 or .270 or .301 mag. So it's not like trying to kill a buffalo or hippo or something. Uhm, but I'm going to use .86.


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[Assistant] Cause I wanna, cause I'm taking two guns. My double rifle, now I wanna shoot one, I wanna be the first person to shoot one with 8.6. And I also wanna see how he'll react.


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[Assistant] Like I've shot one Buffalo now with 8.6 and I'm going to shoot a Buffalo on this, another free range Buffalo Mozambique, but I'm going to use my double rifle for that. My double rifle. So it's a WJ Jeffrey. So it's a London, um, double in,


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[Assistant] It's about a hundred years old and it's a 450, 400. So it's kind of the predecessor to 375. So it's not a huge, but it's a, it's a big bullet. It's a four. I think I'm probably going to shoot a 400 or 405 grain, um, going probably about 22, 2300 feet a second.


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[Assistant] Um, and I want to try that, you know, cause one thing is interesting about the double, the double originally was cool because you have two shots fast and there weren't semi autos really available then. And especially these big carches, but you know, you got two shots, but then you got to reload and that's where stuff can go wrong.


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[Assistant] Or if something goes really wrong, you know, your PH hopefully has a gun. But in this lion hunt, we'll, we'll set up, we'll be in a blind, I'll have my gun, Rad will have his.


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[Assistant] I just kind of view at that point, if we both fail with our gun and we get a lion in the blind kills, like. You have no reason to be out there in the first place. It was just kind of meant to, it was kind of meant to be. Um, I think like stalking one and you know, when you stalk them, like they see you before you shoot them most of the time.


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[Assistant] Well, and the fact that they can cover ground so quickly, like so much can go wrong doing that. So this, I'll probably shoot him, he'll never see me. Like hopefully that's the...


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[Assistant] That's, that's the way you go. But if it goes wrong, you know, it can go wrong. Like, you can die doing this hunt. Like, it's...


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[Assistant] Hopefully it's not likely, but it could happen, you know, cause our blind is just gonna be made of like twigs and stuff.


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[Assistant] So, so we'll see, but I'm very excited and I kinda rushed the lion hunt because of all the politics and stuff and then after that, Cecil.


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[Assistant] And they don't manage the population very well. For instance, if you kill a 10 year old lion, that is incredible in the wild. Like they typically live to like eight to 10, maybe in the wild.


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[Assistant] And so you want to kill a six year old lion or older. Well, Cecil was 14 years old. Like he would have died of old age within a year.


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[Assistant] And he just got pushed out of Kruger by younger lions cause they're not killing enough of them to manage populations. And so they go out onto adjacent properties that are all hunting properties. And like the guy who shot Cecil, like he didn't know, like Cecil was only named by like one tour guide in Kruger. It's not like he was actually a famous lion.


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[Assistant] But you know, then they shot him, like he's this huge lion. They're like, holy shit, shoots the lion. He's got like, you know, no teeth hardly. He's, they age him at 14, which is incredibly old. That's like a human living to like 110 years old. And.


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[Assistant] He would have died anyway. He wasn't in Kruger. They weren't hunting that lion. He just got pushed out. It's just mother nature. You know, he no longer was the baddest lion in town. He got pushed out by younger ones and he decided it was easier for him to go to other property. And so they, but that area has the biggest lions in the world.


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[Assistant] And so that's pretty exciting. They're bigger than the other lions in Africa.


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[Assistant] And then, um, kudu as well. So the, the property where I'll be, um,


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[Assistant] It's right there where the largest kudu ever was found. It was found dead. So it just like was eaten by something or died of old age or whatever. But you know, like a monster, awesome trophy kudu is 55 inches and this was 73 inches. So, you know, when you start talking about something being.


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[Assistant] Eight to 30% bigger than like an incredible trophy. Like it's unbelievable. So I have an opportunity to, you know, I will likely kill the biggest kudu.


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[Assistant] Like learning about Africa and history and why they existed and they're incredibly expensive.


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[Assistant] But a double rifle is so hard to make. You know, you have to make the barrels align and do all this crazy stuff and they're all handmade and it takes somebody like a year to make one.


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[Assistant] So, that's what I'm doing. But the fix? We're gonna go for that lion with that.


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[Assistant] And that's a 500 pound animal. So that's like, uh, I mean, or maybe even bigger actually, but, uh, that's a large animal. It was sit down little boy.


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[Assistant] I rolled the clip already, yeaah. Roll it again!


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[Assistant] Yeah, back flips and it was pretty great cause we get down there and it's horns went between two little trees and we're stuck between them.


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[Assistant] Anyway, but, uh, it's a devastating round and we proved it on that trip. So it, cause it's interesting right now, like as we filmed this, Ethan is on his way to, uh, a government test where they're actually testing eight six and at distance and everything. Um,


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[Assistant] Um, and if you want those little bullets to expand, um, when you cut the barrel way down, you got to spin them fast. And he's known that because part of it is you want the bullet to expand. If you shoot something here, you want it to expand starting here. You don't want it to start expanding here. You know, you want to make a bigger hole all the way through the animal.


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[Assistant] Or me. Right now you can put the picture of Desmond in the Cape Buffalo.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So he retrieves, he forgot some of our bullets out in the field. So we're actually taking two metal detectors this time I purchased. Good call. To make them easier to find in the animals when we're getting them in the field.


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[Assistant] It's interesting when, if you show the pictures of the bullets now, not only did they perform and expand, but you see the twist. You can see the twist on the mushroomed projectile. Um, that's awesome. Cause what's that, what that's doing is the bullets opening sooner in the animal.


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[Assistant] And it's having more cutting surfaces, creating more trauma and a larger hole through the animal. And I mean.


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[Assistant] Let's start. All right. So I want to point something out. So you were vaping a minute ago. And so Jay, you probably know the story. So I had told Thomas a while back, he could go to Africa. He really wanted to go back to South Africa. He's been before.


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[Assistant] And, but not on hunts, but I would take him and he could video my hunts and you know, cause I got love for the streets and all my kids at Q. I'm like, Thomas, you need to stop smoking. It's fucking stupid. And if you will stop smoking and you now you're going to say like vaping.


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[Assistant] He's still got love for the streets. And I said, you need to check yourself.


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[Assistant] You show up the house, Ivanka's taking us to the airport. He gets all dramatic. He walks in the kitchen. He's like, Hey guys, with his Denzel Washington granddaddy's voice.


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[Assistant] I told you I was going to quit. Pulls this little vape thing out. Opens the trash can. So last one I had. Right there. There you go.


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[Assistant] Thomas cannot be trusted when it comes to cigarettes and nicotine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, how many times did we say it when we were driving around? Every day. 8 hours, like every time you, you top a mountain or you go around a hill to another valley, you know, go around a bend and you see another one, it's like more beautiful than the last. We say it all the time.


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[Assistant] You know, part of it I'm sure is the ego, but then I think part of it, if you think about like what you love with music.


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[Assistant] You know, but every time like you go on stage to perform, it's like if you were doing it.


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[Assistant] In front of your family every time or in front of no one you guys are rehearsing. That's one thing that when you see people and you see their response and they love it, it's probably not too different from like our products. The first time someone shoots the honey badge or a gun with a silencer for the first time you see that response. It reminds you of why you love it. And I think going to Africa and seeing that.


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[Assistant] You know, like I'm dedicated building this lodge for the next 10 years, spending a lot of time there and I'm excited about it. And I might move on from there.


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[Assistant] And whether you think about Hemingway and Roosevelt and all these other people.


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[Assistant] We'll say the same things, had the greatest lives ever, experienced all kinds of things, and all of them were moved by Africa, changed their lives.


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[Assistant] You know, like I sent you the video, you can roll it now. It's like we're in the owner's yard hanging out with him at the end of the day, or maybe at the beginning. I don't remember. I think at the beginning, beginning and his kids, he's got three little kids that are like, whatever, seven to 12 years old.


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[Assistant] And we're hanging out and the kids can't believe the snow and you see that in a herd of Cape Buffalo came through their yard and then, and there were giraffe earlier in the front yard.


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[Assistant] And I asked them, you know, the kids were so excited about snow. So then, you know, their dad had to take them up on top of the mountain where there's enough snow to build a snowman or at least have a snowball fight.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I was asking him one day, cause you know, we'd run into the kids about every other day and hang out with them for a minute.


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[Assistant] You know, they're just running around doing stuff and I ask them one day because they go to school, you know, the school of course is like 45 minutes an hour away in the closest town and, um,


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[Assistant] So I was talking to him just about random stuff. You know, it's so hard for them to get things there. Like even though this is like a reasonably wealthy family, like there's no Amazon, there are no stores around. So like I remember, uh, the owner's wife asked me to, uh,


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[Assistant] So, but I asked the kids, their children one day were hanging out there in the giraffe, like some giraffe came through the yard and I was like,


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[Assistant] Any of the kids you guys go to school with have giraffe in their front yard or they just let, they're like, no. I was like, man, what a life. When you guys are older, looking back at your life now, like it's, it's strange in the sense that they're so remote, but then they have all these incredible things that you just can't even think of.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the first pitchers that were taken with it, they, they were with the Bucks.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, we don't, I think we go where they're expecting like, okay, if we want to kill a buffalo, we're going to hunt buffalo. But it doesn't happen that often. And so for them was interesting. Cause remember when they brought all, like they brought a bunch of trackers and a lot of the staff. So like, you know, like we'll just say like indigenous.


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[Assistant] The locals, the locals, so they brought like six of them there to help for us to, to carry, drag the Buffalo out to get the truck after and for them to gut it and everything and get it to the truck to get it back to process it. And they were hyped number one because they'll get a lot of the meat.


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[Assistant] And so that's cool for the staff there because they have a lot of staff. Like when we were there, it was actually.


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[Assistant] Not a time of year they have a large staff, but they have dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of staff that live there. And if we kill a buffalo, like they probably get half of it. So they get to eat steak and so, so they, but they were all taking selfies and stuff with the buffalo is even a big deal to them. Like it didn't happen too much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but just so you know what I realize and I think why I love with it now is


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[Assistant] Is like every time I simplify my life, I find a way to make it more complicated, like having a company is a lot of stress. A growing company is a lot of stress. Uhm, you know, still having kids in high school, like whatever the thing is, you know, and I know when I moved from Atlanta to New Hampshire,


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[Assistant] I could breathe a little deeper because there's no traffic. There's not much crime here. There's a lot of things that I, you know, been used to growing up there.


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[Assistant] That there's not here and it's, it's, it's a more relaxing life. So I think that allowed me to focus more on like Q and us doing a company, but I made my life very complicated again.


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[Assistant] In a lot of senses, but in a good way. But one thing I love about Africa, we go over there, like, I think what you're saying is very simple, in a lot of rudimentary ways.


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[Assistant] And when we're there, we have cell service at the lodge. When we leave every morning, we don't have it again. Or we have wifi at the lodge. We have cell. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not to upload videos, but you can like chat on WhatsApp with your homie or whatever. But, and on top of the mountain, we have cell service.


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[Assistant] And that's it. And the rest of the day you're cruising around and you don't see other people and you're just hunting. And then at night is just catching up with your, with your homies that you're hunting with that are going out with other PHS. And it's just like a very simple part of life that I almost think.


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[Assistant] I think it's probably why it's life changing for a lot of people. And it probably was even this way to whatever degree in the early 1900s when Hemingway and Gary Cooper and Roosevelt and people were going over there was it was such a simple way of life even compared to, you know, uh, us standards then.


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[Assistant] That it just takes you back to that and you appreciate these. I mean, then the other part of stuff that you've read about or seen in movies growing up, all of these wild animals and stuff.


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[Assistant] It should be something adventure, like I understand now. I think it's what I talk to, I hope, a lot about.


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[Assistant] You know, whether it's some of our investors who, you know, are billionaires and


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[Assistant] You know, I'm friends with them and close to them and work with them a lot and


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[Assistant] Understanding their life and it's like, it's very interesting and by US standards, you know, like I think like maybe a common consensus. Oh, if you're successfully do these things.


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[Assistant] And I'm just like, I don't know, I never thought I'd have any money, but now that I do have a few bucks, it's like, for me it's just, I want it to buy me freedom and adventure. Like that's what I want.


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[Assistant] Like I don't, I want, I don't want a bigger house, I don't want a fancier car, I don't...


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[Assistant] Want any of that, like I want to go on adventures.


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[Assistant] Because, you know, reading these things, like what do we know about Hemingway or Roosevelt or, you know, it's, it's all, I mean,


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[Assistant] It's all the adventures. That's the things that we know about.


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[Assistant] And you know, for me, that's what I want, like money to provide me is just adventure. Like that's it. I don't, it's, it's, it's so much more fulfilling and it's so much more interesting than, you know, if we sell.


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[Assistant] You know, the thing is with business and probably most things you're either growing or you're dying. And, and so like the business needs to continue. I think we make an impact. We make a difference. Um, the innovation, all those things are good, but for me personally, like the, just the adventure that we get to go on over there and.


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[Assistant] Documenting it. I think it is important because we know I've told you guys it's, it's like, I have no videos of me as a child or anything. Right. Like nothing. I have a, a maybe 10 pictures of me as a kid.


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[Assistant] But, you know, and I had like a relatively interesting childhood and stuff.


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[Assistant] Like that was kinda cool stuff and there was like no one to document it. Uhm.


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[Assistant] But yeah, then as an adult, like all the things we talked about before with like the YouTube guys with like demolition ranch, like I did that.


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[Assistant] When we didn't record it, there was no social media and I just did it for fun because it was awesome. And like, Oh man, I should have been videoing all this crap and I just didn't care. I catch myself now we're Griffin and how like, cause I really try to, when we go somewhere.


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[Assistant] See it myself. And then later on, I'm like, man, I'm going to forget it and I'm never show it to anyone else.


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[Assistant] I will say one thing, like, Ivanka being foreign and, you know, not...


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[Assistant] Anyway, I like for her to go places with me in general, but one thing she does that I used to think is a little bit annoying, but now I'm very grateful for, is like,


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[Assistant] And it seems, it seemed ridiculous to me at the time, but then, you know, like a week or two later, she'll airdrop me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's cool to do, but I mean, there needs to be a mix, but I think...


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[Assistant] It's just life changing and I feel that way every time and I love it and I'm able to.


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[Assistant] You know, take a deep breath and when I'm here, you know, even though I'm not the CEO, I don't run operations anymore, but still like owning the company and being heavily involved.


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[Assistant] It's like I have to be involved in so much of the company and it can get overwhelming, you know, no matter how organized you are, it just, cause there's always 20 decisions that need to be made and you're constantly collecting data for each of those and try.


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[Assistant] You know, so to go and maybe some people, they go to the beach for a week and they let their kids play in the surf and they read a book and that's their way to do it. But for me, like going to Africa and being isolated and doing something that still gets me.


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[Assistant] And the things that I end up involved in are all very complicated things because


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[Assistant] You know, it's just, I have experience and that's my job as a chairman of the board and to work with the board of directors.


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[Assistant] The decisions to where it's very difficult and generally that's because you have three or four choices that probably make sense and you have to make one and stick with it. And those are the complicated ones. And those are the things that I think tend to wear on me. And Africa is a place where I go.


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[Assistant] And I can think about those things, you know, in the morning when I get up and I'm showering doing whatever, but you know, once we're hunting, like that's all it's about. Like you can't.


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[Assistant] You can't fake that. You have to be fully dedicated and focused and it's just this singular thing and it's also a great adventure. I mean, you think about how many hunts would you say right now? You said you went on eight or nine, went the way we anticipated.


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[Assistant] So, okay, so, you know, what do we have? 12%. And the rest of it is you just gotta be prepared and you gotta be able to make decisions and you have to be able to adapt. And you know, when it was the same for you with camera.


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[Assistant] And same for me with a gun and sometimes I fail, sometimes like you didn't catch the shot and it's just like, and that would bum you at first, but you had never been on a hunt. And when I would tell you, it's like, Hey, do the best you can.


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[Assistant] We're not gonna be able to set up every time to get it. And part of that should be even shown in these videos. Like we're not trying to do a fucking hunting show.


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[Assistant] No, it sucks. It's a bad feeling, especially for me. I mean, every time that I fuck up a shot or a stalk,


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[Assistant] Like it bums me out because I've done it enough where I know it comes down to, you know, just by nature, I'm willing to take more chances.


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[Assistant] Then probably average or I should, and that bleeds over into my hunting. And then it's like a lot of other things in my life. I'm never as prepared as I want to be. And, and both those things cost me and that bothers me a lot. Not, you know, if, if I fail at something.


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[Assistant] And it's, you know, something we've never done. I don't know how it's going to turn out, but I take an educated guess and you know, risk assessment. We try it. It's whatever we learn from it and move on, but there's never a hunting scenario where I don't know, but.


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[Assistant] It is, it ends up being that I was, I should have prepared a little more and that bothers me. I beat myself up about it or I knew I shouldn't have pushed it and I did. And, um, you know, it bites me in the ass. And so that was my own thing, but you know, I had to tell him like after a couple hunts where he doesn't get like the footage he wants, it's like.


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[Assistant] You know, the thing is, I'm coming here for marketing and I'm also coming here for


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[Assistant] Me and some of the things aren't going to work out for you, but don't get down about it. Like this is the way it goes. You capture what you can and then we'll use what we can and you'll be prepared, you know, better for next time. Cause you'll know what to expect.


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[Assistant] So that's a good segue into the Buffalo. You want to start with that? Should we start with the Roan? So the first day we go out on a hunt, a Roan is a very large


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[Assistant] So it's like a big sable and they're relatively rare, but those in sable, they're just dumb. They're like,


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[Assistant] They even look dumb. Yeah, and they're not difficult to hunt. Well, you know, the fact there's just not a lot of them, but they, you know, like they call the kudu gray ghost cause a kudu sees you. It's like a white tail deer. Like it does not hang out to see what you want to do. And there are animals that are dumb that do that. They,


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[Assistant] They want to, um, in a Sable and a Rhone or, or kind of those, once you find them.


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[Assistant] You can kill them. Yeah. And so I think that was the point, but I wanted to shoot a room cause it's a very large animal and for the eight six for a warmup.


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[Assistant] And so we did that and that was Tommy's first hunt. Uh, shoot a rone. I shoot, I don't know. It wasn't very far. We caught it coming in broadside. I shot it. It ran a little bit. I shot it on the run. It dies. Wait, so back up.


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[Assistant] I think we spooked it and it went into the tree line.


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[Assistant] It's, it's large. It's a big thing, right? So we'll put a picture up now.


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[Assistant] Did you get the, did you get the video of me going after it? Yeah, so he shoots it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I shot it, it was walking along the hillside and I shot it and it ran down and I shot it on the run and it went like another 20 yards through the trees but I took off running through the trees after it.


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[Assistant] I don't remember, I just watched the video footage. I just remember those two shots and then running and it was down. I don't think I did.


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[Assistant] That was awesome. Yeah, Desmond said that was the best knife he ever used. Yeah. That was a good knife.


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[Assistant] I can get why people don't like it, but it's also like if you eat meat, you like leather, all these things. I mean, hunting is the best conservation to me. Like I don't ever want anything to suffer.


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[Assistant] You always want to make the best shot. I mean, it just doesn't always happen. And part of it is I don't want to track anything. And then the other part is if it, if it needs another shot, I want to get there quick and put it in it. Like it's, you know, and it's.


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[Assistant] That's probably old or something like that. I don't know. I don't even remember this sable.


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[Assistant] So the second hunt that we went on. What do you want to do at the Buffalo Store? You want to tell the Buffalo Store to me?


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[Assistant] TSX non tipped supersonic 16 inch fix that Voodoo one to eight. Shout out to them. Thank you. Big Hamp and JB for the one to eight.


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[Assistant] Had that thing on one power with the dot on there, the two tens loaded up the Buffalo slayers. And, um, so this was the herd Buffalo and, uh, a herd on their property.


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[Assistant] That had been challenged, um, several times and it didn't mess. It is getting older and he had hurt and injured and killed several other Buffalo tried to get with her to cows. Cause the way the Buffalo work is there'd be a big herd of cows and there is.


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[Assistant] He had been kicked out from my trip with filled ethos and all the boys to this one by.


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[Assistant] A younger bull who's like now more in his prime, who was a monster, but he's the herd bull now. And they had lost, they had thought maybe he had killed the old herd bull. Cause they hadn't seen him in.


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[Assistant] Two or three months since we left. And they found him about a month before. Cause you know, it's a pretty vast property. They found him about a month before. Uhm, I went back.


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[Assistant] And so I'm like, hey, I want to shoot one with 8.6 and they're kind of keeping an eye on them as they can once they find them.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. They had a couple of trackers on him, watching him because you know, he could just like that. He could disappear for a few months and you not see him.


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[Assistant] Sometimes the younger ones especially be together once an old bull has been kicked out of a herd, he generally just is isolated by himself. Sad old man. But uhm, we were watching him come down the side of a hill, but I don't remember the reason, we didn't have like a good approach and who, that's, like you're not gonna shoot a buffalo from far.


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[Assistant] And these are just so big and durable, you'd have to shoot them with like 50 BMG or something.


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[Assistant] Let's go eat lunch. Cause the trackers would see them like disappear into some trees or into kind of a little valley and then they might not see them for half a day or a day. So it wasn't like, you know, they're just like watching them.


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[Assistant] So, you know, that's the fear. Like if you wound something like that and it goes into something thick, you gotta go after them. They're very, very dangerous. Like they kill so many people.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, relative to other animals, like a lion seems very scary. Far more people die hunting Cape Buffalo. It's just like by nature, a nasty gnarly animal. That's just bad ass. I mean, it's hide. So not like it's skin is, you know, like a half inch or an inch thick. So.


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[Assistant] It's just a gnarly animal, um, with a bad disposition.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it is a little different than most other animals. Um, so anyway, uh, I don't remember if that was the day before or earlier in the day, but we decide.


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[Assistant] They know where he is, the general area. So we decide to go get them and.


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[Assistant] So we go meet up with the tracker, um, who was watching them at the time and it's, it's, it's me and rad.


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[Assistant] And, uh, the owner, Andrew, so he was videoing as well because he wanted the footage with their camera and a card from some of my previous hunts when I've been there and Thomas and then Desmond, who was our tracker, who, you know, this is his job.


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[Assistant] And we go talk to the tracker and the tracker said there was a, a dried like creek bed running up this valley.


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[Assistant] And he had tracked him all day and he said he's been in this creek bed for a long time and he's heading in this direction. And the last he saw him from where we saw him, he said it was about a quarter mile up was the translation. That's, is that what you remember? That's what I got out of it.


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[Assistant] And so, so we were prepared for a quarter mile. Yeah. So quarter mile up, but as soon as we start down in this dry creek bed, there was in some water. We probably got 50 or 75 yards from easily. There was a herd of six or eight younger bulls.


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[Assistant] I mean, cause I mean, they're telling us and they're telling us to be prepared. Like all these things. And with that said too, I've never been on a Cape Buffalo hunt, something I've always wanted to do. We did it now, um, to test eight six and to, to do this hunt and decide to do it.


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[Assistant] You know, I've watched videos, I've read the stories and I'll listen to the PHS and they're telling me the whole time, like you need to be prepared. We're going to shoot them at 20 yards or in. And I just thought that was normal, but I had never been in close proximity to them. So I'm with Thomas's. He tells us so.


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[Assistant] Well there was the one too, it kinda came out, it looked like he might come towards us the way, you know, at least what Thomas and I might. At that point.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and they had prepped us on, you know, so there's what five of us and there's only Rad and I with guns, but you know, they had talked about, um, like the owner and his wife, they have a trail for running.


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[Assistant] And like a few weeks before they were running and they jumped a Buffalo that was in the bushes right off the trail. And they both had to climb in a tree for 30 minutes. And so they're, they're like telling us it's going to be close. You have to be prepared. If stuff goes wrong, here are the things that you do. And then right away, this is what we see.


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[Assistant] Only like 70 yards to disappear. We don't know where they are and they're kind of angling us, but they might've been going across like we don't know.


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[Assistant] But you know, Andrew and Rad, they're the pros and you know, like I was freaked out too, but then it's like, well, if they're not more freaked out, I need to let it go. Like they've been doing it a long time.


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[Assistant] 10 minutes. Yeah, there's some stuff said then between Andrew and Rad. And I don't remember if I just didn't hear if it was an Afrikaans or something.


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[Assistant] And Rad, so we're all single file now and it's Rad, or PH, me, Andrew, Thomas.


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[Assistant] And Desmond, our tracker, and Rad turns to me and we're in the creek bed.


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[Assistant] Because before that, all I'm doing is staying, like, what Rad wants in these situations and what he told me to do is stay as close to him as I can, don't step on any fucking sticks or rocks, make any noise, stay close to him as we approach and we start stalking. So I'm not really looking around much or, uhm,


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[Assistant] Brad takes off and there's this downed tree, he goes beyond it and we have about 10 yards of separation at this point. I step out from behind the bush and


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[Assistant] So we're in the dry creek river thing and there's a bank that's maybe like 18 inches, two feet tall. And there's a little tree that's maybe six or eight inches in diameter with two branches about two feet off the ground that are parallel with us. And they branch out like this.


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[Assistant] Well, wait a minute, I can't wait to see this because I'm not seeing any footage because Andrew has the footage all the way up until he gets up and raises it. But at this point, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, my memory and recollection is I get, I gather Rad, get him back. I'm in line with the Buffalo and the tree is between us and Rad is beside me and he, we end up having to like make a noise or something to wake him up.


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[Assistant] And he wakes up and we're standing there and we're still. So there's this little tree between us with a couple limbs. And so he can see us, but he, he's opening his eyes and kinda blinking a little bit and he's going up and down trying to.


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[Assistant] I see, you know, what I'm thinking is I haven't looked back and I don't know where anyone is, but I'm like, I've got a shot here. If he goes this way, I don't know where those guys are. So I gotta be careful where I shoot.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it was going to be close, so once I knew that was him and it was on, I wasn't going to take my eyes off of him. Because yeaah, I mean I do know this is something that can kill me, but I had maybe a false sense of security because I thought it was supposed to be this close.


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[Assistant] Because at this point, at this point where we are, he's nine yards from us. So he's the length of this room from us, which it seemed even closer and there's a six or eight inch tree, which he could easily knock over between us and these little branches that there was only two on the tree and they were.


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[Assistant] Maybe a couple inches in diameter sprouting out both this way and I'm looking around the tree to look at them.


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[Assistant] And he's, so he was broadside when he was laying, he got up and he turned towards us and he's facing us and he's still trying to make us out. He's not sure. And rad to me now we're shoulder to shoulder.


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[Assistant] And he has his rifle and you don't want your pH to ever shoot. I mean, sometimes it's mandatory on a dangerous animal. Um, but you don't want them to shoot like you want to do it.


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[Assistant] And Rad says to me at one point, and I'm waiting for him to say something to me, but he had told me he's like, don't shoot it in the head. Like normally braining it's a good shot, but we're testing this bullet and we knew this one had giant bosses on its head. You know, it's old and larger than normal.


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[Assistant] And if you hit the bosses, like, cause you wanna shoot a couple inches below em,


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[Assistant] But you know, it's very easy to miss by that much. You hit the bosses, the bullets not penetrating, and you're just fucked. You've got this animal that can kill you, and now is angry, angrier.


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[Assistant] And so he had told me that and so I had asked about chest shot and he said, you know, they're, they're.


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't remember some sort of plate, but they're very thick here and that's a tough shot on a Buffalo. And he wanted me to go in the crease of the shoulder.


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[Assistant] So Rad's sitting here and I'm waiting for him to say something to me. And I mean, this happens like, you know, it seems like a lifetime, but it's literally a split second and his barrel is like this to me.


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[Assistant] And he's like, Kevin, you're going to have to shoot this thing. And so, okay. I said, okay. And so I put my hand under his barrel. I was like, can you move your barrel? I need to get on the other side of you. Stone focus. And I push his barrel up and I ease over. Now I don't have like the perfect shot, but I can see the crease in the shoulder and I go for it. Bam.


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[Assistant] I pop him with the eight six with the fix and he jumps and he runs, he turns to go away and I instantly run around the, the, the limb. Cause you know, to me, like, I don't like track him. I don't want to get away. I don't want him to get in a situation where we get eyes off of him and he's wounded. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And then I'm like, Oh God, where are all the guys? And I'm like, I look, I can't see anybody else, but I'm still maybe 10 yards from him.


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[Assistant] And all I can see is his ass and you know they're large so I see his belly and they're broad in the front.


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[Assistant] And I go around the tree. I have enough of an angle. I mean, it is slight to sneak one in behind the shoulder. And then once he was down, we saw the bullet went like 12 inches along his belly, then into his shoulder. So it was.


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[Assistant] I got lucky with that. It was a good shot and he turns around instantly and, um, puts his head down and rad is right on my back, right beside me on my back the whole time.


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[Assistant] And he turns around, turns towards us and puts his head down to, like, come at us and, um,


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[Assistant] Look to see if I was recording. Yeah, and so Andrew, as soon as he


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[Assistant] It's literally from the late 80s, early 90s.


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[Assistant] Really good footage. Thomas had press play and not climbed a tree. And he was the one.


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[Assistant] The Buffalo. Yeaah. And my, the first Buffalo with an 8-6, like all the things that are heartbreaking happen. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's like 12.5 or something, if we can find one. But uhm, it's expensive, but uhm, well, on the next trip, but I'll probably, you know, I want to shoot something, we're talking about the history of Africa and everything, so there's,


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[Assistant] Griffin and how rifles for planes games and there's the double rifles and you know, a real one where the London companies London's best back in the early 19 hundreds and.


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[Assistant] That's sort of Hemingway Roosevelt, a traditional way to do it. And I want to do it with one of those. So I think I'm going to shoot this one with the double rifle.


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[Assistant] Cause I don't know, I don't want us to have a hunting show or a game, so it's like, oh, I should shoot with the fix. Well, I did it once. But I will with the lion.


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[Assistant] But, but I kinda, I wanna take some dangerous game with the double, I think,


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[Assistant] The double, it's just part of like the African experience.


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[Assistant] But this hunt, I mean, that was an exciting time. And then, you know, like I had.


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[Assistant] No idea, like I knew that was pretty close, but you know, telling Thomas afterwards, it's like if rad and I have guns and we're not running, like don't run. I mean, easy to say when you're holding.


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[Assistant] If I had seen Desmond or Tracker Run in Clamatory, I probably would have freaked out. But I had just been prepped that this was what the experience was going to be. And I mean, I generally do have the attitude of


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[Assistant] If I've got a gun that I'm confident in, and I've got good ammo,


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[Assistant] Well, I think- Well, I think there are people that freak out even with a gun and stuff like that, and-


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[Assistant] I don't know. I had confidence in Rad and I had confidence in me to do it. It wasn't my first hunt that was dangerous. It was my first buffalo hunt.


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[Assistant] It just happened to be close. Yeaah, it was very close. But you know, I've shot hundreds of animals at this point. And...


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[Assistant] I get it and I'm willing to shoot until it's down. You know, that's another advantage of like hunting with the fix. Like if you have a double rifle, you get two shots and you have to reload in a way that unless you practice all the time, like you're one of those three gun guys, you have to take your eyes off the target and


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[Assistant] Load the gun and that to me seems very sketchy.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So I mean, to me, I've also learned when it's something like that, whether it's dangerous, you don't want it to get into some thick stuff where you got to go after it because that's where you can get hurt.


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[Assistant] Or if you don't want to track it down a damn mountain, like you shoot until it's down.


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[Assistant] Ammo is very cheap relative to losing a $12,500.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it was, it's a tough animal. I mean, it's an honor to be able to shoot one. It was really cool. The experience. Um, you know, it's interesting. Remember we were at the airport and we met some other hunters and the guy, it was his dream to go shoot a Buffalo and he shot one and I was like, Oh,


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[Assistant] You know, and I'm interested and it's like, what'd you hunt it with? And I, at 375, I was like, how far do you shoot? And he's like 120 yards. I was like.


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[Assistant] You know, for me, you can do what the guy did, but I would never.


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[Assistant] Pay that much to do that. Right. Because if you read the stories, like the African stories and what's exciting about those hunts is the close proximity. Now, and some people would say it's stupid. Maybe they said about when we talk, we circle back to the Griffin and how rifles compared to new ones. Like maybe it's stupid because we can get the same thing.


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[Assistant] Uh, the fix or a modern gun for a fraction of the price and it's all him in, but part of the experience of hunting.


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[Assistant] The dangerous game is like you are up close. I think it's one of the people of bow hunting too, is you are up close and there's stuff that can go wrong. Like it is not efficient to bow hunt. Like it is extremely inefficient.


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[Assistant] Um, but it's the experience that you want and you get some of that with a dangerous game in Africa and especially the Buffalo. But you know, the big thing for us was proving out the bullet, you know, in the first shot that I made, that was a pretty hard angle, right, right into the crease of its shoulder.


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[Assistant] As soon as he died, it was in his opposite hip and you could see it on top of the skin.


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[Assistant] And Rad reached down and felt it and he or Desmond cut out the knife and we have, when we got the bullet. And you know, so we start thinking about how effective.


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[Assistant] Is eight, six and the fast twist and that Barnes bullet that is a giant animal, the size of this table. And it stopped in his hip going diagonally through them. I mean, that one shot, he would have been dead. We might've had to track him 300 meters and might not have gotten him till the next day.


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[Assistant] That killed him. Right. Um, and then, you know, the other shots where I had, you know, a more perpendicular angle to him, it was all the videos that I've watched. It was like shooting them with a, you know, a 470 nitro or something like that. Um, eight six is legit. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, the Elan hunt, that was another great one. So that was our Buffalo. And we talked about Desmond getting inside of them already to get the bullet and the cut esophagus and everything. So you get all the guts out.


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[Assistant] You think, oh, okay, they're gonna be easy, but there's all kinds of trees and stuff, and you get...


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[Assistant] And it's a large, large animal. So, you know, I'm hunting with a 16 inch, eight, six, and you know, I've got good dope to about 400 and we would get 500 yards from them, maybe 450 and then they would go 500 yards.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And so we spent a couple of days going after Elon.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And it was that scenario we would spot them, we had glass, we would stalk, we would get to a spot and where we would try to make a final stalk to get within 300 yards, let's say. And we would get to 450 and those fuckers would take off 500 yards in bushes and trees. So you can't see them the whole time.


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[Assistant] And it was a herd and there was one particular bull we were after and they would stay together and so sometimes you just have a little window to shoot through and then picking out the actual bull we want to shoot to not shoot the wrong one.


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[Assistant] You know, and with a big animal like that, and especially in the mountains like,


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[Assistant] It's hard to make the perfect shot even a small percentage of the time, but you do not want to make a bad shot on an animal that big in the mountains. Also, I mean, it can be a


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[Assistant] Full day recovery. The elan, once they start going, they'll fucking go to Mozantique. Yea, you wouldn't think, but like an eel and this giant animal, it's like it couldn't run, can jump an eight foot fence. It's an antelope, yea. And they can keep running.


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[Assistant] It depends on the shot. I shot, I mean, it's, it's probably a good mixture of prone is probably the smallest percentage, but off hand or on sticks is probably 50, 50 and depends on the hunting environment. Like sometimes like with this, if we're hunting in a, in a, uh, in the bush, like in a thick area.


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[Assistant] It's not optimum, um, but sometimes it's what you got. And that's where the practicing where we talked about, you know, and I made an Instagram post about us going to Griffin and how and training with Mike Murphy, like you go and they got to.


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[Assistant] Well, 900 yard range, the primary range that he works and they've got like all the animal targets, all the stuff, all the distances, angles, everything. And they have barricades up vehicles because shooting off the hood in Africa is a thing you can do hunt any way you want. You can shoot in the back of the truck and shoot in the hood. You can shoot from, uh,


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[Assistant] Away from the truck on sticks, you can wait and get prone, but sometimes it's just like your opportunity. If you want a certain animal, a target presents itself.


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[Assistant] What do you have in the next five seconds? And that's where practicing all of these different things and understanding the fundamentals and practicing those because I know them. And when I don't practice much for a year and I go on a hunt, like you forget them and you fall back into bad habits.


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[Assistant] And that sucks. Like you don't, you don't want to do it. And so if you, you know, it's, it's like, I loved, we just went down, you know, in this past weekend after the, the, um,


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[Assistant] Um, that Griffin and Hal put on, we, you know, and you guys shot in it that the next day we stayed in Mike, um, with me and the engineers.


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[Assistant] He did a big game hunting train, train up for us and we were shooting off sticks and barricades and proper position and you know, and proper support to be able to shoot in these.


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[Assistant] You know, unconventional ways that when you go to the range, you shoot from a bench or you shoot prone and all the other ways that are practical and what you're going to encounter in Africa, shooting out to 500 yards.


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[Assistant] The thing is the windows out, but I think you guys too, like not understanding, like lock your legs out, use bone on bone, try to get steady. And also you guys.


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[Assistant] We're like, that was your last thing. If it had been the beginning of the day, that was one of the more difficult things. You probably all would have done better, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah. If, if you shoot from a bench and prone and you shoot lights out, okay, shoot, shoot some positional shooting. Let's see how you do big boy. Like you better have some technique and you better practice. It's kind of like golf. You might be natural at it, but if you don't practice, you're not gonna, you're not gonna have the same success as somebody that does it every week.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the Elon, so what about this Elon Hawk?


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[Assistant] It's one of those things, if you do enough stocks on a certain amount of day and they don't know you're there, eventually it's going to work out. Like we had four failures, maybe three or four, and then the fourth or fifth one just happened to work out. I wouldn't even call them failures.


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[Assistant] Well we had to, what he's leaving out because it wasn't hard for him, we had to run up this mountain to get in position. I was about to pass out. It was horrible. I thought I was going to have cardiac arrest.


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[Assistant] He says clearing when his head, okay, so when his head popped out, when his head went behind the next bush of the clearing, his ass was still behind this. So what we had was a hole to shoot through basically.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so you had to identify and then you had one second that his vitals were in that hole.


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[Assistant] He makes me do it and then I pretend it was like my idea. That's right. And what was funny about this.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's, I'm holding it up for like, and I almost got the tripod shooting stick, which I should have to hold it up. It was, it was on the side of a mountain. So it's like 10 or 15 minutes. I'm holding it up. Like it was long enough to where my, my elbow and shoulder were strained for like two


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[Assistant] Man, that's good living Thomas. Cause it's literally, Thomas said he'd hold it like, oh thank God.


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[Assistant] I take a piss as soon as I'm done pissing Desmond's like, hold it's, you know, it's ribs. I'm like, ah, okay. And so I hold it open, you know, and I'm having to like reach inside and everything. And I was like, Thomas, that's good living. Cause if Thomas had had to reach in, like, I think he would have done it, but he would have cried and freaked out.


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[Assistant] That was pretty good, but that's one, and I don't know if I sent it to you. If not, then I will. And you posted up in what you think YouTube will take it down, but, um, the heart shot. So, I mean, it was like, it was a good shot. We were close and I got lucky and it was right through the heart and.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, that's why I didn't go anywhere. Yeah. And I mean, you see the hole that eight six, but through this thing's heart didn't have a chance.


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[Assistant] No, I was behind there. No, my favorite is, I mean, it depends, you know, a big, like a big animal like that, it's different than shooting a whitetail through the shoulder. And so letting its leg go forward, hitting the crease behind the shoulder is, is the good spot. Like if you can break the shoulder.


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[Assistant] That's great, but you might not reach the vitals and those things can run on three legs. Um, so if you break the shoulder on a big animal like that, you want to get the penetration to get to the lungs or the heart to.


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[Assistant] And I mean, it's hard, like a whitetail, there's, you know, any decent cartridge will break both the shoulders, you're fine. Something with only two legs ain't gonna run, but, uh, three legs.


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[Assistant] So great, but doing the setup to the fallow, what about the setup to it? You want to start with that or are you just getting on to the fallow?


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[Assistant] Uhm, so. The only thing in Africa with antlers because they were imported.


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[Assistant] No, people say that, but I think it's like the Grand Canyon, same with decapitation, until you see it in person, reserve judgment.


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[Assistant] I like, you know, that's good when you gotta go down the mountain if that's the way you want it, cause you only have to cape it out if you want a shoulder mount or whatever.


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[Assistant] I didn't want that, but if somebody, if you cut the head off, somebody carries the antlers in the head, that's a lot of the weight.


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[Assistant] You know, the antlers on that thing were big and they were wide and they'll hang up on a lot of stuff. So then we throw the body, you know, the headless body on the tarp, which they call a stretcher and you drag it down the mountain and it's just, it's lighter and much easier. Yeah. Dragging it down the mountain was a fucking feat too man. Oh jeez. Cause it was dark at this point.


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[Assistant] They are rigid. The trip before when I got back like two weeks later, three weeks later, I pulled half of one out of my shin.


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[Assistant] I mean, you think at that point, we had hunted all day.


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[Assistant] We come down the mountain like 500 yards to find it and then we have to drag it like a quarter of a mile. Like you're so exhausted. Like you aren't, you aren't going to take all the time to go around and there was no way to go around a lot of it. So you just start going through stuff and you end up bleeding everywhere and pulling like these briars or spikes out of you. But I mean, it's, it's, it's not like.


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[Assistant] You don't have to be the toughest dude. You just get exhausted and you're like, fuck it. I'll take some.


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[Assistant] And we were going to look over and it's on top of this mountain and you go down and there's this big rock face cliff thing. And unfortunately that's where baboons generally live.


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[Assistant] And he wants to go there and just to see the view and for Thomas to fly the drone and get footage of this, you know, it's like a hundred foot rock face.


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[Assistant] It's on the edge of this mountain and it overlooks the mountain, goes down the valley. It's just incredible. And hopefully you got, do you have footage? Okay. So footage of that. And I've got a photo of, from our position as well.


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[Assistant] And the whole day when we're down in the valley, like hunting and stuff, we're looking up at it. Oh, that's incredible looking. So we go on top.


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[Assistant] And you know, it's like a hundred feet tall, but like a hundred yards or so below it, there is a field where in the evening, oftentimes there will be some, you know, trophy animals. And so.


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[Assistant] We get to the top of the mountain and we're going to park and sneak over and we pull up. There were baboons in this field and Rad was so mad. He didn't want to go down there because they just run and they come over the rocks and generally they just tell everything that there's people there and all the animals fuck off, you know?


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[Assistant] And so, Rad's like so pissed about the baboons. And uhm, I'm like, dude, who cares? Let's just walk over there anyway. And what you learn, just like I knew at my farm over time, you don't ever go anywhere without a gun.


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[Assistant] You just don't. When you get out of the truck, you have a gun. A jackal could run up, a baboon, like anything.


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[Assistant] You just have a gun on you all the time when you're in South Africa.


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[Assistant] Look over this valley. The sun is setting. Oh, and we're just enjoying life and we're like, holy fuck. I can't believe you aren't going to bring us out here. It's incredible. Of course there's like you said,


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[Assistant] And Thompson are like, what are you talking about? Per usual, because we never saw anything.


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[Assistant] And it's, you know, so we, we see them, we ranged 550 yards and I love so fallow deer generally.


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[Assistant] They're white, they are chocolate brown, or they are like, uh, like a white tail, like the tan color with spots on them. I love the chocolate brown ones are so beautiful. And that's what they were. And we could see, I could see three, turns out there were five down there. And I forget what we had, we had to send Desmond back for the, not for the gun. I think I had the gun.


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[Assistant] No, you had, you had the 8.6. Oh, we sent him for the 6.5 because they were so far. So we sent Desmond, asked him to go back to the truck and grab the 6.5 because, you know, if it was 100, 200 yards shooting him with the 8.6.


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[Assistant] And so I do, and just to see if we can get set up on it in time and I'm comfortable with the shot. To be clear, I'm sorry to interrupt.


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[Assistant] No, no, so I had dope on 86 to 400. Right. I was confident. And I had a one to eight on the 86, but this was 550 yards. So I had the little pole 3.6 to 18 mark five on it and I had dope out to whatever six, 700 yards.


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[Assistant] And so confident with that, but then it was just a matter of we were on this rock cliff and if I could get set up on it in time for the light and I was comfortable and they didn't move because they weren't a gap that was maybe tw-


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[Assistant] 15 to 20 yards wide. When you're 550 yards away, it looks like it's an inch. And, you know, there were several, uhm,


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[Assistant] Big males there and we'd picked a couple out that were good. And one of them, he just played the game right. You know? And so.


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[Assistant] I got set up on it. I felt good about the shot and man, it was awesome.


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[Assistant] Uh, work great and yeah, but then you got to go down the mountain and the sun is setting. So there is, there's some urgency.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it had rank. So this piece of property that they have in the Cali conservancy, um, it's kind of like a micro climate in this one Valley. It's very lush and there's a tremendous population of bush buck and kudu there and fallow deer.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which fallow were brought, I think by like the, the Danes or something. No, by the, by the Dutch and uhm, like the 1700s over there and now they're free range. Uhm, but they have some really big fallow. Anyway.