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[Assistant] Yeah, so, and my kids are, you know, and they're adjustable. You know, I mean, I've only had on it rings. So they're cool. They're adjustable by number. And it's all this stuff. So my kids, two years old and five years old, like they'll swing on them. Like they get real creative with them. Anyway, not yet, but I'll do the, um,


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[Assistant] It's all these little functional things. Anyway, there's a lot to be gained with the rings. I'm a Graham, a believer of the rings now. And now, I would agree with you 100%.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that'd be pretty impressive. That's impressive even if a little guy can do it. Uhm, yeaah. But here's the thing about rings and pull-ups, specifically. This is why it's better than a pull-up bar. Because pull-ups...


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[Assistant] Pull-up bar is cool and it's good, really good. I've had a pull-up bar for a long time. Uhm, but the rings is like, yea, you can adjust for pull-ups and then you can adjust them down so you can do kinda like a rose situate. They're all adjustable. So you can do a stuff. Oh man, rings all day.


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[Assistant] It expended my workout literally by like 30%. Dang. 30. Oh yeaah. Cause there's other, like, I use them every single time. Yeaah. In different exercises. Majorly. Anyway. Anyway. Those are rings. There's a lot of other cool stuff on OnIt.com. So yeaah man. Browse around. See what up. Get something.


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[Assistant] I'm on that train too. Bruh, there's a lot of trains in the Jocko situation, uh, uh, supplementation situation.


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[Assistant] It's good how you explain it in real simple terms, and then you get this kid, Mark, especially since I'm talking about the second corner right now, where he's like, he kinda...


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[Assistant] He overcame some stuff. He's super strong right now. You know, but still a lot to learn. So he understands it. And then at first he's like questioning it. Then he starts to understand. And he questions it. Then he understands. Then he's fired up about doing it. You know what I mean? Cause he gets, but it's really good. And that's literally how like the kid, whoever you're reading, in my case, I'm gonna be reading to my daughter.


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[Assistant] And I watch her getting just as fired up as Mark. When he's like, I'm a business owner. She's like, Oh my God. You know, she gets fired up pretty good, man. Really gets interesting to see the little transit.


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[Assistant] Sure. Of course I will. Uhm, okay. Shift gears to jujitsu, obviously.


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[Assistant] Seems obvious. Seems obvious, yeaah. And I, I think you're in the same boat. Where?


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[Assistant] You default to jujitsu as like a solution or a way to look at things, even earlier today we were talking about. True.


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[Assistant] I remember, actually I'm remembering it right now, that you refer to jujitsu as the solution to something. Humility, that's what it is. If you want to work on humility, use jujitsu as the answer. That'll help you. Anyway, while you do that,


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[Assistant] You're gonna need a gi, cause you're gonna do both gi and no gi. So, when you get your gi, no question, go to originmain.com to get your gi. That's where you get it, 100%. Yep.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like full on underway. Yeah. Standby. Denim. Yep. I called Pete the other day. And you didn't get yours yet? No. Your jeans? And that was really the topic of discussion. Oh, I'm sure you were right.


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[Assistant] Interesting. Yea, I have mine. Took some. Good. Oh, you got yours? Oh yea. Oh, check. I don't, I mean, obviously I don't go, not obviously, but I don't go into many meetings.


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[Assistant] It is, yeaah. And it's interesting because, you know, the idea that protein powder is, it's either it tastes good or it's good quality. That's it. That's sort of it.


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[Assistant] Yes, pure chocolate. In my household, the darkness is ascending to- Oh really? Mint, chip, chocolate levels. Daaang. Cause it has like a dark chocolatey taste. Who's, who's, oh it's you. This guy right here.


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[Assistant] I still add peanut butter in it, by the way, I should mention.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's possible. I was drinking Mountain Dew the other day. Straight up. What is up with you? Just a savage. Bare with me. Why are you doing that to yourself? Nonetheless, I was, and I came to kind of this realization. You're fired.


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[Assistant] I was telling you. Okay, so alright, I'm gonna be quiet. So bear with me, you know, I'm not pounding Mountain Dews everyday, I'm not saying that.


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[Assistant] It's, it's liquid candy, is what I'm drinking. Literally, like, you know how, you know, like a, um, Jolly Rancher, or one of these, you know, that kind of candy, they make lollipops and stuff, you know, that kind of candy.


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[Assistant] Consider this exact flavor, this exact flavor, not more sweet, not less sweet, this exact Mountain Dew flavor as a lollipop or a Jolly Rancher. It would fit. It would be like, yea. And I'm just drinking the liquid form of it. Literally, that's what I'm drinking. Did you finish the can?


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[Assistant] Well, it was one of those small cans. Did you finish it? Yeah. I was eating sushi. You know how it is, like, it's the whole deal. Nonetheless, that's what it is. But there's no reason.


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[Assistant] Yea, a lot of good stuff in there. Also, we have a store. Jocko has a store. Called Jocko's Store.


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[Assistant] Anyway, there you can get, also get rash guards. Some cool shirts if you want to represent discipline equals freedom. A few designs on that one. There's some designs on there. On that store in general. So yea man, check them out. If you want to get something, get something.


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[Assistant] Yup. It's called Jocko's store. Tell him. Let your friend know. But yea, some good stuff. Some hoodies on there as well. Hats, as Jocko said. Trucker and flex fit.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, go on there. And, you know, if you want something, if you like something, get something. Good way to stay on the path and represent at the same time.


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[Assistant] Or whatever. Well, big time. Yea, when you get a new rash guard, you're that much more compelled to go train.


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[Assistant] Compared to if you don't have new shoes, do you really want to go to school?


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[Assistant] Sure, maybe, maybe not, but with the chuck tail or the new shoes, you will wanna go. That's how. Same thing with the gym, same thing with anywhere if you got some new...


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[Assistant] Clothing to represent with big time. Check. Do you wear dry, dry fit is I think it's what it's called? You wear dry fit, right? In what? Like a shirt? Way. It's called dry fit for like working out. Yea, yea, yea. It's like, we don't have any of that.


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[Assistant] We need to. I know, that's what I just thought of that right now. You just thought of that? Here's the thing, I knew that before because you, I think you and some people early on


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[Assistant] I gave you a pretty dope red one at the muster, and I was like, I don't wear a dry fit at all. I put it on and I was like, dang, I like it. It's good. So boom, it's kinda on my radar now.


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[Assistant] That's classified. Anyway, also, stay on the path. Keep, stay on the path. Keep yourself on the path.


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[Assistant] By subscribing to this podcast, I know it seems obvious, but sometimes when people are new, they're like, oh yeah, cool podcast. In fact, or you're in that trial period. Cause there, there are certain podcasts that I'll be like, Hey, I hear good things. I'm gonna go listen to it.


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[Assistant] We're not, but sometimes you do forget there are circumstances, what I'm saying. So, here's a reminder. Subscribe.


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[Assistant] But hi-hat is a name for, you see what I'm saying? I thought that was the same deal for cowbell.


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[Assistant] Also, if you want to vary up your workout, get more workout gear.


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[Assistant] Go to OnIt.com slash Jocko. Also they got some good immunity stuff that I actually took. It reminded me cause I just took some. Felt the cold coming on. Shroom Tech Immune. It's a good one. You like that one? I very much like that one.


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[Assistant] Before you travel, take that. Nonetheless, there's a lot of cool stuff on there and information. That's another one.


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[Assistant] That like you can get caught up in a bad way, but it's a good resource when you want to vary up your workouts and do some new workouts, kettlebells, even that, that club workout, which I would highly recommend looking into what to do. Don't just pick that thing up and start getting nuts. Might get you, might jam you up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I sure ordered more. Cause those exact things that you said about yourself were the exact same things you were saying about the publishing company. Yeah, yeah. I didn't know how people were gonna get after it. Well, you just said that about the publishing company. They don't understand.


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[Assistant] Uh, first off, thank you for everything you do. And then uhm, my question is, who were your role models growing up, and like, what qualities did they have?


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[Assistant] Like how you say, you're talking earlier, how, you know, if you would have made maybe even three, three good decisions, you know, because like these problems, like drugs and alcohol and stuff, like that as an individual problem, that's not the maker or the breaker in there. It's like everything put together, you know, there's people who are successful that,


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[Assistant] Potentially, like, massively successful, you know?


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[Assistant] Man, I feel like you kinda know, well, I don't know, people are different, but man, even


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[Assistant] 29. For sure? I feel like I didn't really know.


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[Assistant] The people have some questions. Let's see if Jocko has the answers.


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[Assistant] So what do you think about this particular scenario, Jocko? Is it better to work in a mindless job and make money, or is it better to follow your passion and possibly make less money?


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[Assistant] Sounds like a good plan, good take on it. That's what it sounds like. I found that when you make your hobby your career, that a lot of times like when you have fantasies about doing your hobby as a career, let's say I'm a photographer, right? That's a big one. That's a common one that I've heard.


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[Assistant] They'll be like, okay, cause I like taking pictures. I like, you know, I don't know, maybe traveling or I don't know, whatever. Whatever I like taking pictures of, I like that kind of subject too. Uh, but, so a lot of things when you're, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and guess what? You have to do it now. And you have to do it. You have to. Like, as a hobby that's kinda, in my opinion, pretty much one of the two things that make


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[Assistant] And you're like, hey, guess what? You gotta make a thousand of those. I know you don't feel like even making one. You gotta make a thousand now. Or make sure they're done or something. And you're like, man, I used to love this thing now. I don't really like it cause all this pressure, which had nothing to do with my hobby, by the way. Nothing.


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[Assistant] Now it has everything to do with my hobby. Now you got, now I have people calling me saying, hey, where's my basket? Hey, I'm the basket maker. I say when the basket gets made kind of thing, that's gone. So yeah, so you don't really like it. And so yeah, you got the repetitiveness, the, the, the,


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[Assistant] Lack of control. Lack of control, the pressure. The presh. And then that's not to mention like the day to day chores that allow your hobby activity to be a business or career or whatever. Man, it's a lot. Like freaking taxes.


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[Assistant] Taxes? Yeah man, you know how like when you work at like a job and the taxes are just taken out. The taxes are taken out and all this stuff, but man, you're weaving baskets, you know, in your new garage or whatever. Man, you gotta do your taxes, all this. I don't know man. There's just a lot more to it when you switch over from hobby to career.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can dig it. But yeah, so there's that. And then, but yeah, if you're prepared for that though, if you're totally prepared for that, or if you kind of like business, you know, that part of it, cause there's a lot of chores in business.


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[Assistant] And if you like that stuff, aw man, that can be good. But yeah. Oh, and here's the thing too, about when you get a good job. Not a good job, but a high paying job, but you don't like it. This is why, this is what I think.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, yes. I had a few of those, yes, for sure. Uhm, so, okay, I wake up, I go to my job, drag myself to my job.


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[Assistant] Drag myself. And then I can't wait to get home and get home and get that paycheck after a week, two weeks or whatever. Get that huge paycheck.


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[Assistant] That spending feels so good, and then you know how like, when you have- It depends.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you have, you have a different mindset I think, but I think like a, your average person, me included, is like, the, the spending hurts when you spend stuff, spend on stuff you need, rather than what you like want. You know what I'm saying? That's so backwards. I'm saying, oh yeah it is. That's so backwards. Oh big time, but it's a short term thing, for sure. It's like the immediate like se-


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[Assistant] Oh man. Think about it, bro. When that Plasma TV comes in, you're like, oh my gosh, I can't wait to hook this up. This thing is awesome. I'll even put it on my credit card and pay for that thing over the next 12 months. Yeah, 50% interest on this thing. I'll do that, no problem, because of that pleasure of getting it. But, oh, dental? You mean,


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[Assistant] This toothache will go away. This toothache that's causing me a migraine will go away. And then I gotta, urgh, you know. Then when it's time to pay that bill.


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[Assistant] How do you suggest setting SOPs, standard operating procedures, where none currently exist?


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[Assistant] I'm a blue belt in jujitsu, which I received a few days after my 16th birthday. Nice. And I have ambitions of pursuing jujitsu professionally and competing to the highest level possible. Of course, this requires discipline and commitment. So.


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[Assistant] During the school term, I train jiu jitsu Monday through Saturday, and I weight train on Friday and Sunday.


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[Assistant] And when I have time off school, I train jujitsu three times a day. However, due to my commitment to this, and my refusal to prioritize the other things over this, I feel...


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[Assistant] I'm missing out on the social opportunities of this part of my life. I miss parties and social events in order to train jiu-jitsu and weight train because I know that I should have the discipline to do so. However, I feel lonely and isolated because of it.


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[Assistant] Is this just weakness or should I make the occasional exception for a social event? Once again, love the work you and Echo do. It's helped me immensely. Thanks from the UK.


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[Assistant] And that by no means means get hammered every time you do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that social aspect man, that's like, that's, it seems like a lot of times, especially when you're training or you're doing something that's kind of directly or can be viewed as like directly opposite of a social thing, cause you know when you think social, you think, oh you guys are just slacking, hanging out, going to the bar, cruising at the beach, whatever.


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[Assistant] Well, while we're over here training kind of thing, right? Just like, just like people say, oh, you're sleeping on the couch. You know, what are you lazy sleeping on the couch? Well, I don't know. Maybe they need rest, you know, or maybe there's, there's, there's use in sleeping.


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[Assistant] Maybe I need rest. Maybe I'm recovering from Norca. You see what I'm saying? I'm saying there's two parts of it. You know, there's that. And so, and people give it a bad rap I think, especially like, you know how like, you know, you hear these, you know, motivational gurus grind, all sleep when I'm dead, you know, that kind of thing. Right.


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[Assistant] I say that. You said it, not me, but hey, alright. So, and I'm not saying that, you know, that's dumb or nothing like that. I'm saying that it produces a certain message that can be interpreted in a way that might not be the most beneficial.


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[Assistant] So man, this is a concept that I think is, if you can kind of incorporate or understand this concept in, you know, when you're working hard at something. So when I was young, when I first started lifting weights, first started,


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[Assistant] So you know, you know how when you lift weights and you get that little pump, right? To me, to me I thought that that's literally my muscles growing. You know, like I didn't know how it all worked. I was like, dang my muscles, I can see the growth already.


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[Assistant] So all they gotta do is lift every single day and watch out quick, you know, cause most people, they won't work as hard as me, cause I like doing it, I like to pump whatever. Uhm, so I would do, remember the guy, my friend I mentioned, Eric Masters, pilot in the Air Force?


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[Assistant] So he, he, the one, he always had the soda above the microwave there. Anyway, so I'd lift with him and his dad. Would invite me and my brother over, we'll lift, and he started off with bench and you know, this stuff. So.


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[Assistant] We go lift, and I'm like, dang, I feel all pumped. So now, when I, when we trans, kinda went into, I wanna say...


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[Assistant] I don't know. Anyway, we were, we started lifting in the weight room at the high school. So I would do the same thing every single day, every single day, every single day. And my friend was like, this other guy I know, he goes, Hey, you, are you benching every single day? And I was like, yeah.


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[Assistant] And he was like, bro, your muscles aren't gonna grow. I was like, what are you talking about? Of course they do. They grow every single day. Like, I feel it even. He's like, bro, you don't know how it works. He's like, you don't...


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[Assistant] When you lift, they don't grow. They actually get torn. They get like, almost like a little micro injury. That's how it works. And then when you rest, and when you sleep, and when you eat, then they grow.


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[Assistant] So that rest in between workouts, it's kind of important given my goal, grow some muscles. You see what I'm saying? Where this kind of thing where it's like all go, all go, no rest, right? You need that rest to grow literally. And that goes for anything.


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[Assistant] And that is Jocko. I should have asked in Mustard 006, is there a dichotomy in the unmitigated daily discipline in all things?


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[Assistant] Yeah man, it seems like the whole discipline equals freedom thing, and whether you agree with it or not, actually, you know what, I think you will agree with this, it's a dance, you know? It's a dance with discipline and freedom. You mean a-


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[Assistant] It just depends on who you are. Like you, the discipline is gonna be taking the lead big time, you know? And when you exercise your freedom with, I don't know, I don't know, diet-wise is like what? Mint chocolate chip ice cream or something like this. When you exercise that freedom, it's not gonna be very often, but when you do, boom, it's gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so even, and also on top of that, the discipline in all things, cause that's the question, right? In all things.


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[Assistant] I'll just copy the dichotomy later, it'll be all good. But the, in all things, like discipline in diet, discipline in, uhm, uh, you know, workouts and not slacking and whatever.


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[Assistant] That looks way different than discipline in like relationships, for example. Like if you're like a different, like to, to, you know, the discipline not to lose your temper, or the discipline to, to respond to a maybe not disciplined person, or some, let's say someone you love who's, who's maybe emotionally different than you or whatever. That looks and feels way different, you know?


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[Assistant] If you really think about it. So, if you're like, hey, I'm not gonna...


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[Assistant] But as far as we're like, and now that's back on the training again, but like with like your relationships, unless your relationships aren't important to you, which is, I mean, I would, I would argue most times there's,


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[Assistant] Some relationships in your life that, that are gonna be important. I would argue that. Well yea, there should be. I think so too. Yes.


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[Assistant] So, m-maintaining discipline in those relationships looks different. So it might not be as obvious. So when someone says unmitigated, when you say unmitigated discipline in all things, I don't think automatically right off the top of my head like, oh, you know, my relationship with my wife.


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[Assistant] You know, or even the relationship with your kids, like when I think unmitigated daily discipline in all things, including my kids.


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[Assistant] So I'm gonna, I'm gonna make sure their discipline, oh, but the discipline of your, of yourself.


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[Assistant] DEALING WITH THE KIDS. That's a whole different thing. See what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] So you gotta, gotta keep those in mind. Oh, I, I've found, I've found, yeaah, I've found when I, when I keep that in mind, it'll help. And then, yeaah, and do the dance with freedom. You designate how much freedom you're gonna, uh, exercise.


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[Assistant] One point long time ago, I looked at you and I was like, shoot, I need to do that. I need to wake up. I need to like do all this stuff or whatever. But if, if I were to do that, I'd jam myself up.


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[Assistant] So I can't like, you can't use like the next person as the standard as far as the balance goes. Like you have to designate your own balance.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Whatever bro, people don't just automatically know that. I know I didn't. Check. Figured it out.


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[Assistant] Anyway, next question. Is there one form or type of jujitsu that is better than other forms? Not Japanese versus small circle jujitsu, but pressure versus movement, bottom versus top, different types of quote unquote games. Got it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's funny. It makes sense, like, just training, it'll sort of sort itself out. You know, your game, your style. Like, and the reason uhm...


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[Assistant] This might seem kinda obvious, but the reason why like these tall lanky guys, they'll do like triangles and stuff, because when they first start training, the triangle is gonna come way easier than the guy who's not as lanky, you know, early on. So they'll be like, oh shoot, that's successful, so it's kinda like, check, that's good. So there again, boom, that becomes part of their game super early. So that kinda...


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[Assistant] It's a dominant part of their whole game. And then, you know, the more, the more they train, the more things are going to start falling into place in their game, you know? And so if you have a lanky person, all those lanky moves are going to register way quicker than, you know, a shorter guy or a stockier guy. Yeah, it's funny how you put that. Just train. They'll sort of just...


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[Assistant] Did you, do you feel, well, you know, your answer to the, is there a better game or whatever? I feel like, you know, like when you watch ADCC or something like this, and then you have a guy like Hodger who's 6'4", you know, and then you have Marcelo Garcia, guys who are arguably like just as good, the two best guys ever to do it, and they're just completely opposite.


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[Assistant] Man, it's kinda like when I watch those, it's kinda like uhm, like you ever heard of the game Mortal Kombat?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so it's like this, it's this real violent game of 2000 because it's like they have weapons and stuff that they can sort of bust out randomly. Like this guy named Scorpion, he has this weapon, it's a spear with a rope or chain or whatever and he pulls you and he does this thing, then there's a guy who can freeze people, you know?


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[Assistant] And a guy who can, um, I don't know, throw his hat and just cut people, I don't know, you know. So people have all these different weapons, but then you would think, hey, if a guy can freeze a person, wouldn't he be the best guy?


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[Assistant] You just freeze people. That's all you gotta do, you know? But it doesn't work itself out. It's whoever's good at using the little ice ray or whatever it's called. Who's better at using that spear with the rope?


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Yes. Next question. Sure. Yes. Hi, Jocko. Mortal Kombat. That was a good one. Street Fighter 2. Yes. Actually, there's Street Fighter, which really kind of went unnoticed, I think, by the general public. Then there's Street Fighter 2. That's when it sort of became like this big. That was like the main combat game, I think, with fighting Street Fighter 2.


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[Assistant] Bro, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, revisit that, or in your case, visit that, Guile, he threw this thing called a sonic, it's, it's long, just look at it. Anyway, next question, Jocko, there's an army cliche that I'm sure you've heard of.


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[Assistant] Or you've heard that goes, everyone's leadership style is different. I've heard it used many times as a cover up for a failed mission or with someone who just isn't getting it done. What's your opinion on this? For all the advice that you give, there seems to be a continuous method to your madness and some basic principles for being a good leader. Does everyone have a different leadership style?


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[Assistant] Or is there an optimal, optimal method with personality tweaks?


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[Assistant] Don't try the whizbang. I don't know though, I mean these jiu-jitsu moves, you know how like, guys will like bust out moves?


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[Assistant] I lost my discipline and goals after basic training and continued in depression and disorganization.


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[Assistant] I had the opportunity to go to fight- to flight school, but instead tested positive on a drug test, and I was given a general discharge. I, of course, take full responsibility and feel like an idiot. How would you recommend moving past this failure?


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[Assistant] What would you have done if your SEAL career ended with a mistake?


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[Assistant] Hey Jako. What can we do with a coworker who isn't on board? When someone brings up something to him, he gets defensive and turns it into being everyone else's problem.


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[Assistant] So, when you are exploring the road of jujitsu, you're gonna need a gi.


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[Assistant] Even if you do just no gi- well, if you only do no gi, then I guess you don't need a gi. But, when you are searching for a gi, get an Origin gi. That's it, 100%. Uhm, go to OriginMain.com, that's where you get it. Rashgard's on there, it's well, all made in America. Woven. Woven.


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[Assistant] Whatever. Cool. But when you grab the dragon weed for the first time, especially when you've been in the game for a while, you're like, ooh, this one is different.


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[Assistant] So in a way, I mean, I kinda wanna say, hey dang, that's good for him, he's lucky in that way, but...


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[Assistant] Hey, that's part of the game. That's part of the journey. Yeah. You know, nonetheless, whether you're used to it or not used to it, Dragonweave is legit. Are we allowed to talk about that new weave that we were exploring the other day at your house? Uh, not yet, but we do have. Are we gonna keep our beaks buttoned on that one?


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[Assistant] Yes, of course. So when you're doing no gi, some people use the t-shirt, I dig it. Some people use the dry fit, I dig it. To me, rash guard is the way to go. This is one.


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[Assistant] Because other people's toes, sometimes, not all the time, could get caught in that shirt when it's flapping around in the wind. True. And you know, hey, you know, it's a rash guard, it's cool, it looks more uniform-y. What about this?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and not to mention, speaking of mental state, on those days that you don't want to train, get a new rash guard, those days, they don't exist anymore.


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[Assistant] See, I'm give or take. It's true. So yea, cool, the compression. Cool.


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[Assistant] Yes, agree. So yeah, some good rash guards on there. Also, some, uh, how should I say? Lounge gear? I shouldn't say lounge gear. That violates your whole


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[Assistant] Oh, just the concept of luxury. Yeah, yeah. Luxury days. Well, the sweats that they have are luxury. And here's the thing, unprompted, I go on Twitter and you know, you get like people when they get their stuff, they're like, hey, you know, you take a picture of your stuff. It's normal. So we'll go have a hoodie and he'll say, this is the softest hoodie I ever had. Straight up.


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[Assistant] What? Okay, so a lot of people ask this too.


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[Assistant] You told, okay, the difference, you know how the people, so a guy would be like, hey, I work a physical job.


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[Assistant] 8 hours, 10 hours a day. I wanna do a workout over my joints. Take kind of a beating. What should I take? Joint warfare or krill oil. So people, they will wonder about that. Which one should I take? Cause they're both for your joints.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, Brian would tell me that, uh, crude oil is for just general, you know, maintenance. You know, you're getting, let's face it.


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[Assistant] That helps, you know, like that mental state to be like, so it's a difference between like, like,


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[Assistant] You can lift in these different ways too, but yea, when you put weights on you, just like, you know, some people they'll, I don't know, swing a baseball bat or something, they'll put a weight on there or something like that. And mentally, if you, basically you're training your functionality with that, and that resistance sort of just happens to be there.


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[Assistant] So your brain just kind of accommodates, you know, so when you function without the weight, you're just flying around. It's like easy. It's like I weigh less now, you know, rather than, ooh, I'm going to just eek out.


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[Assistant] Then did the jumps, you know what I'm saying? So it's not just the box jumps, it's like down squat. Anyway, but yes, uhm, and made me think like how I could get a weight vest and really maximize these box jumps. Yea, pay attention. Pay attention.


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[Assistant] I think those things are kind of dope. The word parka is kind of, kind of iffy. What are you talking about? I don't know. I've never heard the word. I'm saying coming in fresh. You're useless.


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[Assistant] Well, technically I saw snow on the big island when I was a little kid, one time. Yeaah. And you go to the big island, you go up in Moniquea, and you can see snow. We went up there with shorts and a tank top, by the way. We just drove up there. But since then, yes, I had not seen snow until I was 30, yes. Yeaah. In Colorado.


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[Assistant] Solid, warm, functional, parka. Be able to live. Yeaah. Yup. Man, I dig it. See? Uh, growing. You know, growth. We call that growth. I'm growing here. I'm trying to. Speaking of growth. You wanna stay on the path and represent at the same time. Grow in that way. Go to JockoStore.com. That's right. Jocko is a store. It's where you can get your discipline equals freedom shirts.


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[Assistant] Women. Tank tops, by the way. Work out. Men's tank tops? Men's tank tops. I know the temperature is dropping. I'm not gonna say it's cold here in California. I'm not gonna say that. The temperature is lowering, you know. So I dig it if you're not gonna wear the tank top all the time. I dig it.


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[Assistant] They're on there, nonetheless. Uh, some hoodies, either they're out now or they will be within one week from right now. T-shirts? T-shirts, for sure. How about that Defqor t-shirt? Defqor t-shirt. Oh, dang. See, you're representing a Defqor t-shirt.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, yes, all on jocostore.com. Some cool rash guards on there as well. Get out a little bit more, how should I say, geared towards the specific path of getting after rash guards.


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[Assistant] Clever, clever, clever. Also, psychological warfare.


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[Assistant] That's an album with tracks that we made, jocotalking by the way, telling you how to get past. Through. Get through. Power through.


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[Assistant] Those moments of weakness when they arise. Which they do sometimes, by the way. I know you don't know this. Actually, you do know this, but they do arise. But if Jock was there telling you how to get through it pragmatically, by the way, you'll get through it. I found that to be a fact. 100% of the time.


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[Assistant] Also, while you're doing your workout, and it gets boring, go to onit.com, slash jockel by the way, and get new kettlebells.


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[Assistant] So what I did, totally revives your whole workout. In fact, do this. Do your normal workout. If in fact it doesn't have kettlebells in the workout, do your normal workout and do a kettlebell workout. Like maybe like a 5 or 10 minute one.


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[Assistant] But it's, and, so my, you know, my bicep is healing.


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[Assistant] It's almost there, man, we're almost there. But, one of the things I could straight up not even start doing until very recently is kettlebells on that side. You know, cause it slaps around, it twists, it twists your wrist in this way that it really


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[Assistant] So I even want to go on a light one. And it's weird because the pain is less there more so than just kind of the raw newness of my arm.


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[Assistant] So like, you know when the thing comes up to a rest right here on your wrist, just it's sitting there on your wrist, it has to rest there on your wrist, your wrist is twisted in a certain way, you know? It's cool, it's normal if you don't...


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I didn't. See, I was just, I was taking it light, you know, see what I'm saying? You really, you're really happy with that, aren't you?


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[Assistant] Agree, and I'm one of those people. And, uh, so I think when you read that to your kids, oh well, in my case, cause my daughter's five, I can't quite read a book yet.


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[Assistant] That's another one that if you, if you re, or if you refer to, it'll like remind you. Cause like, okay, so, man, I, I don't meditate. I don't. Like, you know, like for like, okay, it's arguable. Who would you do some meditation? It's not, it's not, it's not meditation. You know what they're talking about when you say de-meditate. So.


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[Assistant] From what I understand. If you meditate on certain things, they help like incorporate it into your, you know, your whole normal thought process or whatever. Meditate on his heel hook over here.


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[Assistant] Like detaches, uh, for whatever reason, when I understood the concept of detach and the importance of it, that's to me just kinda established itself as like,


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[Assistant] You gotta notice when you gotta detach, you know, it's not detaching into the hard part, it's to notice, you know, like when it's time to go. And so for lack of a better term, you're forgetting to detach right now because you're so distracted by how you feel or whatever.


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[Assistant] It's one of those, so the field manual is like a really good one. So like, man, if you can refer to that, boom. And this goes for all the subjects in there, by the way. Like, so like every day, even every other day, two, three days, whatever, just refer back to it. Man, it helps. It keeps it on your mind, all these things.


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[Assistant] And here's a good thing about that where, uhm, overwhelmed, right? That was one that, uh, I don't even know who posted it first. I think, yeaah. But it was like, Eshaan Frant posted it, and like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that was one where it's like, you know why there, you know why people are posting that.


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[Assistant] Because when they read it, when they go, they refer to it, they're like, oh, it clicked again. Let me, you know, cause that's kind of the whole nature of posting things. So the boom, that's exactly what's happening. So it's like, boom, I need to remember that one. It's not like that's the first time they read it. Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but most of the time it's like, okay, I referred back to that.


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[Assistant] And they gotta repost it. So it's doing exactly what I'm saying. It's reminding you, like, over and over and over. And the, you know, certain ones apply to you at certain times too, you know? So it's like, good man, just to refer back to that. That's what I do.


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[Assistant] With the bathwater, yeaah. There's some good stuff in there. Yeaah, I'll tell you what is possible, is for us to stand the path.


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[Assistant] What do you have for recommendations? Alright, first thing is jiu jitsu. Jason, jiu jitsu?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it seems like the spazzing thing, even as you get it, I mean obviously it happens less and less, but there'll be like momentary spaz situations, even at like the top level, where you kinda gotta stay con- I mean, every once in a while I'll run into it where I gotta stay conscious of it. Like, oh I see the danger coming, and it's coming pretty quick.


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[Assistant] You gotta think, well I, in my situation, I'll think through it and I'll be way more successful. Rather than like, oh spaz through it so now I'm more tired and it's still coming kind of thing.


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[Assistant] There's that. And then when you're strong, when you're a strong person and you spaz successfully, you're way more tired, way more tired. So you get a person where you put them in a spazzing state like two, three, three times in a row. No more. You can't spaz more than three times, I don't think.


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[Assistant] Crazy. And you know in a way too where, that's why these smaller guys, when they're super advanced, I don't think they ever spazz ever. Cause it's almost like-


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I know what's up. That's a good tip. I'm gonna look out for it. I don't know if I've ever made Andy Spaz, but you know, I'm gonna be looking out for it. Nonetheless, when you're in jiu-jitsu, we all need a gi, if we're doing gi. And I'm not saying you have to do gi, you should do gi, I think. Yeaah. You should do no gi as well. It's very recommended. Yeaah. Do both. That's the recommended both.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I say that. I say that too. Yeah, and it is made in America, by the way. Yeah. So yeah, anyway, when you go to originmain.com, that's where you get it. You can also get other stuff, like,


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[Assistant] You don't match. I don't, I don't fit, man. You don't match. Yeah. So. Joggers are not for me. Yeah. Is it a, what is that? Bro, you just don't match. So here, this is what, actually this is what it is. Uh huh. Okay, jogger, you know what joggers are, right? They're essentially skinny. No.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing, they're functional, yes, but I think the big push is a style thing. Cause there's like skinny jeans and all this stuff. So it's kind of like a functional thing, yes, but it's a style thing.


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[Assistant] That's the part you don't match with. And especially anything that says skinny or thin or trim, fit or whatever, that's not you, that's somebody else. So yea, that's not gonna match with you at all. In fact, even to...


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[Assistant] You know how people have like real fitted jeans? Yes. Like real fitted. Yea yea yea. I'm not going to say tight, I'm not going to say that. Say fitted. You should not do that either. No, I will not do that. Because that's not you bruh.


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[Assistant] They're tight. They had a specific look that I wasn't very accustomed to, but...


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[Assistant] So I was like, oh, I might not wear these at home, but I wear them at camp. And then at camp, I was like, dang, these are good too. And when you jog, they're way better than regular sweatpants. So I'm like, oh, these are good. And they're like super comfortable too, because you know, the cotton that they use or whatever. And then I'd wear them at home and that's all I would wear. Now, I kind of switched over to that whole thing.


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[Assistant] All good. Also, Jocko is a store. It's called Jocko's Store. So, jockostore.com, you understand. And, uh, yeaah, they say if you want to represent, discipline equals freedom, this is where you can get your shirts, hoodies, hats, trucker hats, flexfit, trucker hats, flexfit.


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[Assistant] Either way, there you go, JockoStore, that's where you can get them. Or sorry, JockoStore.com. Uhm, also women's stuff on there as well. Yea, if you want to represent while on the path, that's where you go. Just go to it. Also,


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[Assistant] Jocko white tee. If you're deadlifting and you're like tired of your like 500 pound deadlift. Tired. Which should be. Yeah, you know, I can see how you'd be tired of that. And you want it to go up to 8!


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[Assistant] Yeah, so these are all, they just sound kinda light hearted compared to your, you know, your whole thing.


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[Assistant] Anyway, also yes, YouTube, by the way, that's where they stay, that's where you can run into these videos where this, cause my daughter sometimes will watch your little YouTube videos, and that's what they'll say, like, comment, and subscribe, just repetitively. Yeaah, programming, programming, programming. They get it, they get it, boom. Yeaah, so Jock's not gonna say that, but we do have a YouTube channel. And you're basically right now.


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[Assistant] Cause some people, they're not in the mood to get pushed. Pragmatically reasoned with. Yes, reasoned with. Yes, pragmatically reasoned with. Very good. Also speaking of reason, when you want to improve your home gym,


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe even your commercial, Jim, your 21st, I don't know. Go to OnIt.com slash Jocko. Get yourself more kettlebells like me. Got the Stormtrooper one, by the way.


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[Assistant] No, so, well, mine is, I got the Stormtrooper, uh, costume, like, the full one.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, for right now, no, but now that we know that, you know, Jason has the knowledge, yea man, maybe later, but yea, for now, thanks for, thanks for being here.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 176 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] It is very much overdue and I make every effort to get it away quickly. This letter however is different. It is a letter that I hoped you would never receive.


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[Assistant] As it is verification of that terse, black-edged card which you received some time ago and which has caused you so much grief.


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[Assistant] And by the time you have finished reading it, hope that it has done some good. And that I have not written it in vain.


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[Assistant] It is very difficult to write now of future things in the past tense. So I am returning to the present.


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[Assistant] As yet, we do not know exactly what our job will be, but no doubt, it will be a dangerous one, in which many lives will be lost. Mine may be one of those lives.


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[Assistant] For the past two years have planned and dreamed and mapped out a perfect future for myself. I would have liked that future to materialize, but it is not what I will, but what God wills.


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[Assistant] And if by sacrificing all this, I leave the world slightly better than I found it, I am perfectly willing to make that sacrifice.


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[Assistant] Don't get me wrong, though mom, I am no flag-waving patriot, nor have I ever professed to be. England's a great little country, the best there is, but I cannot


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[Assistant] Honestly and sincerely say that it is worth fighting for.


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[Assistant] No, mom. My little world is centered around you. And includes dad, everyone at home, and my friends in Wolverhampton.


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[Assistant] And if by doing so, it strengthens your security and improves your lot in any way, then it is worth dying for too.


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[Assistant] As I have already stated, I am not afraid to die. And am perfectly willing to do so.


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[Assistant] If, by my doing so, you benefit in any way whatsoever.


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[Assistant] If you do not, then my sacrifice is all in vain.


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[Assistant] Have you benefited mom? Or have you cried and worried yourself sick? I fear it is the latter.


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[Assistant] And that, in addition, you are undoing all the good work I have tried to do.


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[Assistant] Death is nothing final or lasting. If it were, there would be no point in living.


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[Assistant] To some it comes early, to others late, but it must come to everyone sometime. And surely, there is no better way of dying.


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[Assistant] Besides, I've probably crammed more enjoyment into my 21 years than some managed to do in 80.


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[Assistant] My only regret is that I have not done as much for you as I would have liked to do.


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[Assistant] I loved you mom. You were the best mother in the world.


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[Assistant] And what I failed to do in life, I am trying to make up for in death. So please don't let me down mom. Don't worry or fret. But smile.


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[Assistant] I never had much money, but what little I have is all yours. Please don't be silly and sentimental about it and don't try to spend it on me. Spend it on yourself or the kiddies. It will do some good that way.


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[Assistant] Remember that where I am, I am quite okay. And providing I know that you are not grieving over me shall be perfectly happy.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that was a letter from Private Evor Roeberry, who served in the British Army.


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[Assistant] In the South Staffordshire regiment and the letter can be found in a book called Last Letters Home.


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[Assistant] Which was conceived and planned and championed by Field Marshal Bernard Montgomery.


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[Assistant] In this massive operation, overall it's generally assessed as a failure.


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[Assistant] Although history has been kind and some people look back and theorize that it did have a more positive impact on the battlefield than was initially thought, but nonetheless, it didn't achieve, achieve its objectives and there was a significant amount of casualties. And as I said, this was Monty.


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[Assistant] Monty's plan is the plan that he pushed. And as I said on the last podcast about him, this is one of the things that makes him controversial.


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[Assistant] That he led this, this operation, Market Garden.


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[Assistant] And as I said on the last podcast, he was able to redeem himself somewhat in the Battle of Bulge, but this, this negative was pretty impactful.


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[Assistant] And with that, that doesn't mean that there's nothing we can learn from that situation. We've covered it on the podcast, that battle from that perspective.


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[Assistant] And we have to learn. We have to learn from people's successes and people's failures just as we have to learn from our own successes and our own failures.


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[Assistant] And on the last podcast we talked about Monty's view of leadership.


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[Assistant] And if you haven't listened to that podcast yet, it's number 174 that kind of talks a little bit more detail slightly about Monty and his thoughts and


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[Assistant] We debated a little bit the meaning of the word dominate, which he kind of puts as one of these driving forces as a leader, is the leader's ability to dominate. And I talked about how I'm not quite sure where he falls with that word. You know, because dominate can have a very negative connotation.


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[Assistant] And I actually asked for feedback and a bunch of people gave me feedback.


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[Assistant] I think I landed somewhere kind of in the middle. I don't think it's the Dominate.


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[Assistant] With the, with the, hey, I'm just gonna rule over my people. I don't think that's how he meant it. I think he, but I don't think he meant it in like, hey, I'm just dominate, I dominate my skills and that's why I'm good. I think he meant it somewhere in the middle. And,


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[Assistant] Then I talked about the fact that one of the other major important factors that Monty talks about is morale.


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[Assistant] And he wrote another little thing about morale, called Morale in Battle. And I think, I actually wish I would have covered this one first, and this one almost trumps the leadership, his thoughts on leadership, because I think this is even more applicable and relatable.


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[Assistant] Morale in battle and we're gonna jump right into it. Here we go. This paper is an attempt to analyze what is at the root of morale and battle and thereby to discover how it can be developed. High morale is defined as endurance and courage in supporting fatigue and danger.


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[Assistant] In other words, the quality which makes men go forward in an attack and hold their ground in defense. It is the quality without which no war can be won. So, this is a, this is a, uh, and I'll get to this in the end. He, he talks about morale being the most important factor on the battlefield. Obviously.


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[Assistant] I think leadership is the most important thing on the battlefield and I'll break that down a little bit later, but from his perspective as a guy that had led


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[Assistant] Massive operations, he feels morale is the most important thing. So, without a doubt, it is important. Here, we get into his thoughts on it. And again, I think you're gonna see this, the stuff that he talks about, morale, he seems to nail this, I think, even better than he nails leadership.


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[Assistant] So here we go, the quality of morale. In war, the moral stature of some men increases and their characters grow stronger and more close, closely knit in proportion to the discomforts and dangers which they are called upon to face. I said this over and over again. War, war can make you stronger.


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[Assistant] Families that were slightly fractured, and if they have a major incident, a medical emergency, somebody gets wounded, somebody gets cancer. If the family's close, it'll make them closer. If the family's fractured, it'll blow them apart.


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[Assistant] He's saying the same thing here. Back to the book. Such men will occasionally perform in battle remarkable acts of selfish courage and daring and will endure with extraordinary fortitude and patience. The burdens thrust upon them.


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[Assistant] Other men, however, will, under the stress of hardships or dangers, surrender to fear or fatigue and will allow their characters to disintegrate.


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[Assistant] So, the same thing that Peter Atti was talking about with families. And this is the same thing with any team or organization. You have a team that's pretty close and they go through something rough, they get even closer.


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[Assistant] You have a team that's kind of fractured and they go through something tough, they're going to explode. Same thing happens with people's personalities and character in war. This disintegration is usually, will usually take the form of a loosening of the moral fiber which results in timidity of action and slackness in appearance.


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[Assistant] In battle, men who have kept a firm grip upon themselves will appear clean and vital in their appearance, while those who have gone to seed will be dirty and their appearance will be slovenly.


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[Assistant] So he's one of those guys. Hey, if you don't look, and this is obviously, this is much of the military, they will judge you on how you look.


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[Assistant] That's not always true. Sometimes you get a guy that looks like a rogue street person.


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[Assistant] Timid officers will be found during quiet periods in the line, groveling in the filth of some seller, while their signallers and runners, separated from the light, attempt to do their jobs by the flame of a guttering candle.


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[Assistant] In these latter cases, there's been a general loosening of the character due to a partial surrender to fear. So you get these timid officers that are out there and they cower and they're scared and they, while their troops are up trying to do their job. In extreme cases,


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[Assistant] Men who have become afraid have sunk to the level of beasts. No longer in full control of themselves, they have become as sheep or rabbits, unable to act alone or think rationally. Their instincts have become those of the herd.


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[Assistant] Incapable of dependent action of independent action and has to some extent shed a part of his human individuality So this is what you get people at all freaked out and they don't act for themselves anymore. There's gonna fall to her


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[Assistant] Morale is a mental and moral quality. It is a quality peculiar to human beings because it is essentially the product of a mind with a conscience.


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[Assistant] It is that which in battle keeps men up on humanities level. As opposed to being a beast. But humanities level is not high enough. Because the strongest human instinct is the instinct of survival.


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[Assistant] Morale is also that which develops man's latent heroism so that he will overcome his desire to take the easy way out and surrender to fear.


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[Assistant] It is necessary now to make clear what high morale is not.


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[Assistant] Contentment or satisfaction bred from ease or comfort of living.


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[Assistant] Both of these contain a hint of complacency and acceptance of luxury as an end in itself. High morale is far more than any of these for it implies essentially the ability to triumph over discomforts and dangers and carry on with the job. So, if you're one of these leaders, if you're in a leadership position and you think, well, you know, uhm,


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[Assistant] What, how do I raise my, the morale of my men? Give them luxury days. Give them Theo Von luxury days. Theo, negative, not happening. That, that doesn't do it.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, nor is, no, cause I'm sorry, because what you have to do is you have to give them challenge, you have to give them discomfort. Or not you have to give them, they have to face discomfort.


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[Assistant] They have to face danger, and that's what increases morale. When they face and they triumph over that, that's what, that's what increases morale. Uh, pizza.


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[Assistant] They might give a little surface nudge, but they don't increase rep morale.


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[Assistant] And you can't just beat people down all the time, right? You can't, you can't.


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[Assistant] You know, you have to get sleep, you have to get rest, you have to have some level of comfort or your morale will get beat down. But that can't be the primary aim.


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[Assistant] Bottom line is, it's a dichotomy, right? Can you go too far with comfort and pleasure and leisure? Yes, you can. Can you go too far with discipline and hardness and sternness and scarcity of resources? Yes, you can. You have to find a balance somewhere in the middle. I think the point here is that people lean towards


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[Assistant] Well, if I want to increase morale, I just need to give luxury to the troops. That's the, that's the wrong way to lean. You should actually lean, I'm not saying go full bore, but you should lean in the direction of hard training, discipline. Lean in that direction, don't go full bore in that direction, lean in that direction.


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[Assistant] Hey, let me just break it, break it down for you. Real simple. If you go and you have a good training jujitsu, how do you feel when you're done? How's your morale?


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[Assistant] Morale is high. If you sit there and watch TV all day and you eat a pizza.


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[Assistant] And a donut, how do you feel at the end of the day? How's your morale? Shabby. Morale's shabby.


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[Assistant] Now, if you train jujitsu 9 hours for 14 days straight, how do you feel? Broken down. Yeaah. Right? And then how do you feel when it's like, hey man, day off today, echo, all good, hey, guess what, I ordered some pizza for you too, it's coming, it's gonna be here in 15 minutes, we're gonna chow down, we're gonna watch the fights. Cool, that's a good morale boost, we're all good.


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[Assistant] Nor is high morale achieved through fitness or healthiness alone.


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[Assistant] It is important not to confuse the idea of physical happiness with morale.


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[Assistant] That's a good one. And he detaches the physical and the mental part a little bit more than I do. I think they're a little bit more closely related. I think that when you're in good physical shape, it helps your mental morale.


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[Assistant] But can still regularly and without complaining advance and defend within the terms of the definition.


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[Assistant] So that's, so that's an important thing. And again, this is, this is a trap that leaders get suckered into. Hey, if I can make my people happy, then morale's good.


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[Assistant] No. No. Pizza will make your people happy, but it won't increase morale.


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[Assistant] It might increase morale if you give it at the right time. For the right reason. Do you eat Hawaiian pizza?


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[Assistant] Canadian bacon. What does, what does Hawaiian pizza do to your morale?


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[Assistant] In France, they're called something else though. They're not called french fries. No, that's England. I think they're called pan frites.


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[Assistant] Alright, this is an impor- another, this, again, you can see I'm, I was, in, in going through this to figure out what I was gonna, what parts I was gonna single out, I ended up doing so much of this one.


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[Assistant] Almost every line is like, yes, you need to know that. Yes, I need to know that. I need to remember that. So here's one. High morale is not toughness. This one caught me a little off guard. Some very tough men in this war have turned out to be very disappointing in action.


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[Assistant] Toughness is a physical and not a mental asset. Tough men will occasionally perform an isolated act of bravery.


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[Assistant] It's true in combat, it's true in training even. Like somebody, like going through basic seal training, there were some tough guys there.


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[Assistant] And then, and then there's guys that get through buds, it's like, oh, they were tough in buds, like they did some good job in buds, but it has nothing to do with how well you're gonna do as a seal. Like it does, it's, I would say there's some correlation.


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[Assistant] But it's, it's a very loose correlation. Being a good SEAL buds trainee has very little to do with being a good SEAL in a SEAL team.


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[Assistant] And I think that sometimes surprises people, but then again...


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[Assistant] It shouldn't really surprise people because being good at Buds, Buds is a physical evolution. It has very little to do with your mentality and has very little to do with leadership and unit cohesion.


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[Assistant] And so to show up at a team, what's the most important thing when you get to a team?


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[Assistant] If you aren't those things, you're not gonna be good.


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[Assistant] You can be super tough. That's great. And there's times when it pays to be tough. And you definitely, as a seal,


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[Assistant] You can't not be, you can't not have some level of toughness. You know, when I think about being a SEAL,


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[Assistant] That when it's your life, when it's just the way your life is, you don't really think about it.


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[Assistant] And you think about what you, like when I think about my old job, and I'm talking about going back to the 90's, right? Oh, we're gonna go, we have dive week.


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[Assistant] Which is, or dive training. So you go for like four or five weeks of dive training. And you're diving two times a day.


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[Assistant] It's your wetsuit, your, your, your wetsuit's wet when you're putting it back on and then you're gonna go get in a boat and you're gonna drive for an hour and a half up the coast and then you're gonna, it's gonna be dark.


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[Assistant] And you're gonna put on your Drager Re-Breather and you're gonna get in that water again and you're gonna kick in the darkness with bio-illuminescence flying around you for three and a half hours. You're gonna get into this random harbor, you're freezing cold, you're gonna plant a limpid, fake limpid mine on some


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[Assistant] 48 minutes and then you meet up with that little zodiac boat, you get in, you're freezing, you're exhausted, and then you drive an hour and 20 minutes to get back to Coronado. When you get back, you're gonna debrief, you're gonna


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[Assistant] Mental toughness? Sure you do, and every SEAL's got that. But...


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[Assistant] This part talking about like, you know, when you start talking about leadership and being a team player and being a, being a good leader and being a good follower.


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[Assistant] And being smart and tactically sound and being a good decision makers, those are the things that matter.


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[Assistant] When you start talking about the, just the idea of being tough, it's like, that's cool, and it's important, and everyone in the teams has that, or most people in the teams have that baseline.


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[Assistant] Uh, cause it is a little bit challenging to, to make it through seal training if you don't at least have some level. It does happen. You get some guys where you think, man, what happened to you? Or, you know, you just break down. Some people have the idea that once they get through seal training, they're done.


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[Assistant] You should be at SEAL training to get to the SEAL teams to serve your country. To go into combat to take the fight to the enemy. That's why you join the SEAL teams. Not to see how tough you are.


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[Assistant] Next, in brief, high morale is a quality which is good.


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[Assistant] In itself. And is latent in all men. It maintains human dignity. It enables fear and fatigue to be overcome. It is involved with the idea of a conscience.


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[Assistant] But it should be not confused with fitness or happiness or toughness. She goes to pretty good lengths to make that.


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[Assistant] Distinction, section two, basic factors of morale. It is now necessary to consider what factors constitute the morale of the soldier in the heat of battle. Certain factors may be described as essential conditions without which high morale cannot exist. These four basic factors are one, leadership.


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[Assistant] Two, discipline. Three, comradeship. Four, self-respect.


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[Assistant] A fifth factor devotion to cause must exist, but need


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[Assistant] Need not necessarily influence all of the soldiers. Finally, there are numerous contributory factors which are of great importance but not essential conditions. So, that's what he's got. The four things that you have to have in order to have high morale.


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[Assistant] What about comradeship? That's comes from, so all these things come from the trip. Anyways, we'll get to that.


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[Assistant] Leadership morale is in the first place based on leadership. Good morale is impossible without good leaders.


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[Assistant] The quality of leadership is one which must be studied. Human beings are fundamentally alike.


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[Assistant] In, in that very common characteristics apply to all men in varying degrees. And this is what's such a great dichotomy of humans, is that all humans are the same and all humans are different. Right? Like, you know, it's true.


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[Assistant] How can that be true? All humans are the same, all humans are different. And that's a completely true statement.


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[Assistant] In battle, the most important of these characteristics is fear.


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[Assistant] All men are afraid at one time or another and to a greater or lesser extent. In moments of fear, they band together and look for guidance. They seek for a person to give decisions. They look for a leader.


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[Assistant] In times of war, the leader has opportunities denied to him in peace. The difficulties, dangers, and discomforts inseparable from the battlefield make men cry out for the leadership they can do without in peace.


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[Assistant] At such moments, men are too weak to stand alone. They find the burdens too great to bear and their own selves unequal to the task. The leader himself accepts the burdens of others and by doing so earns their greatest and the right, earns their gratitude and the right to lead them. So.


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[Assistant] Challenging times. Things are going sideways. Bad things are happening. That's when people are most susceptible to leadership.


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[Assistant] This is completely true. Have you ever seen a team dynamic where, like, when everyone, everything is going good?


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[Assistant] Pretty much like you can, it might be hard to tell who the leader is. And then all of a sudden something happens. Something that's chaotic or something that's challenging happens.


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[Assistant] I've seen that a million times, putting platoons through training. Yeah, you kind of not really know what's going on. Who's really, who's really running this boom. You start hitting these guys with some down man and some IEDs in the training battlefield. You'll see the real leaders will start to step up, hopefully. Sometimes they don't step up at all. But, and this is totally true, you see people want to be led.


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[Assistant] People want to be led. There's going to be sometimes a little leadership vacuum.


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[Assistant] And sometimes you gotta step in and fill that leadership back vacuum. Back to the book, consider a platoon, i.e. 30 men in action in the line. They, the men are drawn from all classes and all types. They are there in the line because they have obeyed a long series of orders, which it was easier to obey than to disobey.


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[Assistant] But now the test comes. It is easier for them not to obey orders. It is easier for them to stay where they are behind the hill and not advance over the crest into full view of the enemy who lies in wait of beyond.


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[Assistant] The dominant motive force which drives them over the hill is the leader.


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[Assistant] It is his quality of leadership above all things which inspires the men to action.


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[Assistant] Paints that out very clearly when people talk about, well, you know, in the military, everyone just does what you said because you're in charge, right? We'll try that once everyone's going to die. Well, once your, your lives are at stake, people just don't Roger up to say, Oh, that's, Hey, Echo's plan's kind of lame to go charge the machine gun nest, but you know what? He's in charge. So I'm going to go do it. No, doesn't work. You have to lead.


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[Assistant] These men recognize in their leaders some quality which they themselves do not possess. That quality is decision.


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[Assistant] Fear makes men sluggish and indecisive, unable to decide and act for themselves. This is, this is, you know how people talk about, uh, being frozen by fear or, or,


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[Assistant] Even like, like something stupid like, uh, not something stupid but, you know, buying a house, right? That's a big purchase, you're gonna lay down a bunch of money, the market could go up or down, you're committing to a payment.


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[Assistant] For 30 years, there's not so many things in life you commit to for 30 years. Basically, there's only one other one, getting married. Right? Is there any other commitment that's 30 years? I guess you get a tattoo, that's a lifetime, right? So there's these decisions that you have to make and


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[Assistant] Sometimes we don't, sometimes you see people don't want to make decisions, right? They don't want to make a decision. What's making them indecisive? When you think about it, what's making people indecisive is fear.


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[Assistant] Instead of asking yourself, is this the right decision or wrong decision, ask yourself, what am I afraid of?


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[Assistant] Back to the book, the leader's power over his men is based on his ability to cut through this, this fear paralysis and in doing so to enable others to escape from it. The rightness of the decision taken by the leader is irrelevant.


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[Assistant] If there's a decision that needs to be made, whether you're right or wrong is irrelevant. What you need to do is be decisive. What matters is that the decision should be taken.


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[Assistant] And that the leader should shoulder the responsibility for that decision.


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[Assistant] If the leader will decide, the men will follow and fight. If there is indecision, they will hesitate and flee.


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[Assistant] In short, fight and survive, or fear and be slain. The leader decides.


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[Assistant] Moving on. The leader's power of in- of the leader's power of decision.


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[Assistant] Results from his ability to remain imperpetable in the crisis. His calmness prevents panic.


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[Assistant] And his resolution compels action. It follows that this, it follows from this that the leader must be less fearful than his men. He need not be impervious to fear.


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[Assistant] Since men require a human figure to lead them, what he must do is radiate an atmosphere of confidence which will show his men that he is less afraid than they.


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[Assistant] He must have the moral courage to stand firm when his men are wavering. In this respect they will judge him by his power of thought and action in crisis. Fear destroys the faculty of thought and paralyzes action.


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[Assistant] The leader must continue to think longer than his men, and his thoughts must lead to action. So there you go. Don't panic, don't freak out. You gotta stay calm. And how do you do that? You train for it.


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[Assistant] And how do you, and when you train for it, what do you learn from the training? You learn how to detach. That's what you learn how to do. That's how you keep your emotions in check. You don't let them get a hold of you.


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[Assistant] Is something you should always strive to do from a leadership perspective. Stay calm.


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[Assistant] Don't panic. Think about what's happening. He didn't say it, but I'm gonna say it. Detach. Mentally. So you don't get caught up in the emotion and the fear and the chaos.


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[Assistant] Next, the object of training must be firstly to select those who possess within them the potentialities of leadership and second to develop these potentialities. So yes, you gotta look for who's gonna be a good leader.


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[Assistant] And then you gotta hone that leader. This is accomplished by giving the leader responsibility. Boom. My favorite cure for leadership problems is put people in leadership positions.


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[Assistant] A leader's character will develop in proportion to the responsibility with which he has been entrusted.


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[Assistant] The more responsibility you put on someone, the more responsible they're gonna become. Think about the little kids.


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[Assistant] Right? Think about a little kid. The more responsibility you give a little kid, the more mature they're gonna be. The more responsibility they're gonna take.


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[Assistant] It starts with making your own peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.


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[Assistant] You should be doing that on your own. As soon as it's physically possible, you're gonna make a mess. Guess what? Then you learn to clean up the mess. Every time you break down and you make that PB&J for your little child,


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[Assistant] You're taking responsibility away from them and you're making them a weaker human being. And they feel it. And they feel it.


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[Assistant] You give them ownership. That's what you did, Echo Charles. You gave your daughter ownership. This is your job. This is your responsibility. This is how you do it, but you do it. You make it happen.


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[Assistant] You know, you're asking me how to do like some such simple life thing.


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[Assistant] And you're telling me what, you know, whatever the thing is, you can't make that happen. Is that where you're at right now?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not cool. It's not, it's, it's, I'm actually saying this, putting myself like in a little bit of check. It's like we talked about last time, you know, you can't just be like wooo, when I was there.


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[Assistant] You need to be, I need to do a better job. But it is good, the thing is, it is good, because the way my, it'd be usually my older daughter, because she's my oldest daughter, because she's the one that actually is of age that I was in.


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[Assistant] She actually takes it in a, in a positive way like,


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[Assistant] She'll have a look on her face like, dang, I am actually being like, really.


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[Assistant] How do you set an appointment at the DMV? Are you serious right now? Are you serious right now?


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[Assistant] That's what I need to be careful of. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. That's what I need to be careful of. The other thing I'll get from my kids is


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? They kind of, yea, I'm not like, well that's of course you did that. Yea. And I'm like, no. No. Not true. Yea. It's not just like, oh I did that because I'm more squared away than you are. No. You're actually more capable than I ever was. Yea. You just need to step up your game.


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[Assistant] I said, you know, he was paddling, I just caught a wave, like beautiful wave. He's paddling out, and I said, in a little while, you're gonna be a better surfer than I am. And I thought he'd say, oh, that's cool.


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[Assistant] He looked at me like I was completely insane. Yeah. And like I was the craziest, like, it'd be like, you could see in his eyes, he thought that that was not a humanly possible thing that would ever happen. I mean, imagine that. Like, that's the look in his face, and he kinda just completely shrugged it off and was like, yeah, right.


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[Assistant] Six months later, he was better than me, and now he's just like infinitely better than me.


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[Assistant] But to your point, when, you know, when you're looking up


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[Assistant] At dad. Then sometimes it's, this is an unachievable thing. And actually that's not true and the young kids gotta recognize that they can outperform their lame parents if they put their mind to it.


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[Assistant] And the same thing that happens with subordinates, right? You have your subordinate on your team and you think, hey, you have more skill than I ever had. You have more talent than I ever had. If you apply it correctly, you will be able to outperform me without question.


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[Assistant] It can happen, but you gotta train. That's another thing is people think, oh well you just, this is natural. No, no, no, oh no.


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[Assistant] No, and that's why, that's another thing like when we, when I was on with uhm, when we had Captain Plum and


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[Assistant] Jim Conkalon, and they were like throwing me in the basket of being like...


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[Assistant] Them? Yeah, yeah. I'm like, hey guys, hold on, just check yourselves. I'm 47 years old and I'm barely hanging on to like figuring this stuff out. I'm not in the, I'm not in the game with you guys in terms of


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[Assistant] Figuring out what you all have figured out. I mean those guys are leaps and bounds and and iteration upon iteration of knowledge above me and And I'm just sitting there thinking Take it easy captain plum


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[Assistant] His position as the man responsible for the lives and well-being of his men must be impressed upon him.


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[Assistant] In battle, his preoccupation with his men's affairs will give him less time to think of his own fears.


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[Assistant] The mere fact of responsibility will increase the leader's powers of decision and make him confident of his ability to handle any crisis. So you gotta train people in these challenging situations. Training must also seek to equip the leader with the other qualities which will help him in his task. Here are those qualities. A leader should be efficient.


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[Assistant] He should possess self-confidence. He should be firm and just in his dealings with his men.


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[Assistant] He should pay attention to administrative details. He should prepare his men in advance for any new experience they may have to meet. All these things are important but they can never be a substitute for


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[Assistant] Stay calm. Now, one thing that I get a little nervous about talking about decision and action is sometimes what that means, the way that translates to a young platoon leader is, I'm gonna make a decision right now.


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[Assistant] You have to do assessment. You have to look at what the situation's going and actually


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta have a protocol of how you're gonna make those decisions, right? You gotta think about way, the way it's gonna go down. You can't just jump at the first thing that pops into your mind. You need to think about it. You need to think about the options. You need to think about the consequences of those options and then you need to see if you can move in the right direction without full commitment.


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[Assistant] Right. Do you have to occasionally make full commitment on decision? Yes. If you're, if you got ambushed.


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[Assistant] And you're in the kill zone, guess what you're gonna have to do? Assault through the ambush. That's what you're gonna have to do. You're gonna have to do it decisively and powerfully and with full 100% commitment.


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[Assistant] But, if you take some rounds, but you're not sure if it's an ambush,


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[Assistant] Well you might not want to necessarily assault through that position. So you need to think, you need to allow things to develop. It's a very, it's part of the art.


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[Assistant] Of leadership. Was teaching young SEAL leaders, okay.


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[Assistant] You need to let the situation develop. Here's the problem. Once the situation starts developing


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[Assistant] If you let it develop too far, it's got, it's out of control now. Right? It's, it's a, it's a little, it's a little problem.


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[Assistant] Right? When you look at it. Then you need to sh- look at the problem and make sure you understand the problem. Meanwhile, the problem, in some cases, is growing.


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[Assistant] If you allow the problem to grow too much, now you can't control the problem anymore and you're gonna get crushed by the problem.


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[Assistant] If you, if you see a small problem and you jump right into solving the problem, that might, the problem might not be what you thought it was.


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[Assistant] So there's a fine line. Like, decision and action is important.


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[Assistant] Thoughtful decision is what it should be. Thoughtful decision. And the reason I keep trying to stress and articulate to people that


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[Assistant] You don't necessarily need to make a full commitment to a plan. You can take them, you can take a smaller step, an iterative step in the right direction before you just jump in. So that's just important to think about.


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[Assistant] How does all that compare to making no decision? Well making no decision is the worst thing you can do, right? Making no decision standing there in the kill zone getting overrun by the enemy and everyone killed, that's the worst thing you can do. We want to at least make some kind of a decision.


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[Assistant] So that's why I think he stresses so the importance of decision in action so much is because he's probably seen people be indecisive in battle and it's a horrible, horrible thing.


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[Assistant] So yes, you want to be decisive, but let's take that one little step further. We want to have thoughtful decisions.


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[Assistant] Do we wanna have a mental 20 minute debate over the decision? No.


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[Assistant] A thought can take five seconds. You can let a, you can let a situation develop for, for eight seconds. And you go, wait a second, I think this is what's happening. Let me confirm. Do I see anyone over there? Uh, yup. What did the, enemy fire is increasing. You know what? We need to make this move. Boom. You do it. That's what we're talking about.


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[Assistant] Such leaders must in the first place be efficient. This efficiency will impress itself on the men, thereby creating an atmosphere of confidence with which will partially compensate for any lack of personality.


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[Assistant] By this means training can make men into competent but not outstanding leaders.


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[Assistant] There's another aspect of leadership in its relation to morale.


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[Assistant] The best type of leader earns the respectful admiration of his men because he possesses certain good qualities which they lack.


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[Assistant] A brutal leader who disregards the feelings of his men will not infuse them with the quality of self-respect. The morale of the troops he commands, regardless of his qualities as a leader, will not be the highest. So, even Monty, who kinda comes across as being, you know, aloof to the troops, he's, there you go. The brutal leader's not gonna have good morale.


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[Assistant] And you beat the dog, and you're a brutal leader.


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[Assistant] You bark at your people and you break them down all the time, they won't be able to stand up.


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[Assistant] Some of those, some of those, sometimes those kids train a little bit too hard. I think so, yes. And they lose, they can lose other aspects of their life. But dang, if you wouldn't like to be able to do an Iron Cross when you're six years old, come on now.


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[Assistant] So let your kids develop and let your subordinates develop. Give them responsibility. Build them up. Back to the book. Moreover, it is important to realize that while men are dependent on the word of the leader,


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[Assistant] They are capable of much independent action on their own, and are even capable of making their own decisions. So this is kinda, I, this is kinda funny, right?


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[Assistant] It's Monty basically saying, look, I got a little surprise for you. Little surprise.


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[Assistant] It's the same thing that we're talking about with kids, where you think, oh well, my kid's probably not capable of doing that.


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[Assistant] Your kid is capable of doing that. Your kid can go out there and kill a snake and bring it back and skin it and cook it. You just have to allow them the, the, the


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[Assistant] As leaders, the same thing. You let your, let your guys run the operation, let your troops step up and take control of something that you and your egotistical maniac mind think only your people will do. Guess what? Your boys can get it done too. And if they, if they bat of 88 instead of 100, cool.


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[Assistant] Well yea, you see that, you see that even more, see in parenting it's like cool, my kid can make the rice now. But in, in a team environment, our ego, our ego flares up because we want to be the one, right?


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[Assistant] We do that all the time. We like to just, we like to have our own little rice bowl, speaking of rice, right? That's a weird term, but you've heard that term before, right? Like, hey, you want somebody messing with his rice bowl, meaning like, this is mine.


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[Assistant] Like, oh, I'm the guy that does this part of the job, and I don't want anyone else to know how to do it. That's my little rice bowl. Stay out of my rice bowl. There's a lot of rice bowls. I was never into that. Well, at least, at least once I was actually in leadership positions, I was very...


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[Assistant] Back to the book. Good morale can be created in a narrow sphere by a good leader.


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[Assistant] But a platoon or company is obviously influenced by the general feelings existing in a division or army. So now we're talking, so you got multiple layers, multiple layers above the platoon or the company. You've got the army, you know, the division.


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[Assistant] A strong leader on a high level can have a powerful influence on the general attitude of the men of a platoon. He cannot, however, influence their movements over the last few vital yards of an attack.


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[Assistant] On the other hand, a strong leader on the low level can make his men carry out a single fine attack, but he cannot sustain their morale indefinitely if there is a lack of confidence in the high command and its plan. That's a challenge. It's a challenge.


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[Assistant] If your troops, if your troops are looking at the strategy going what the hell are we doing?


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[Assistant] Like you can get the guys through one attack or two, three missions, but eventually they're saying, hey, what's going on? Why are we doing this?


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[Assistant] His aim must be to create such a disciplined body of men that all his orders will be obeyed instantly.


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[Assistant] This habit of obeying the leader's orders must be so instilled into his men that they will carry on and fight even though he himself falls. There's a problem with that statement right there.


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[Assistant] The aim, this aim cannot be achieved without discipline. The second factor of morale is discipline.


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[Assistant] A couple things here. First of all, I don't want my team to instantly obey all my borders without question. If I tell them to do something stupid, I actually want them to tell me no.


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[Assistant] If you think for one minute that all your people do is obey you, that when you die they're just gonna suddenly sprout leadership skills and start leading, you're wrong.


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[Assistant] This little section from Monty? No, I don't like it.


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[Assistant] Discipline is something that is important. You have to understand, you have to have discipline standard operating procedures. You have to have discipline to stay within those procedures. But on top of that, you have to have the, the freedom to when those procedures aren't working to say, hey boss, this isn't a good call. Here's what we should do instead. Now,


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[Assistant] Does this mean you and I are going to have a debate in the middle of a firefight over what the plan is? No, because we work together, we trust each other, you know what I'm coming from, I know where you're coming from, and when I make a call,