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[Assistant] Like, he would call me up and say, Hey, Jaco, I think it might be a good idea to push the vehicles down the road. Oh, why? What's going on? Well, we're starting to see some movement out in the hinterland over there. Okay, got it. I'm going to track it. I'm going to push two vehicles down there. Cool. Right? That's a normal conversation. But if all of a sudden there was gunfire and they was like, push the vehicles down the road to the north, I'd say doing it.


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[Assistant] There are definitely times where you don't want to sit there and sit around and debate and figure out what the best plan is. There's a time where the leader or the follower or the person that has the most vision of the situation needs to make a call and make it happen. So.


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[Assistant] Again, the more, the better relationship you have, the easier this is gonna be, cause you're gonna have that little mental unification of the commander's intent and of the task and purpose and you're gonna, you're gonna be able to be thinking along the same path. And when you're doing that, everything gets a lot, a hell of a lot easier.


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[Assistant] When you got the time to take the input, take the input, have the debate, have the discussion that builds the relationship so that when it comes time to be decisive and give a command, you can give it and people react up and down the chain of command without a bunch of hesitation. And you can go back later and say, Hey, here's what I was talking about. Here's why we needed to do this.


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[Assistant] You know it's a good reason. You know, while we're on this subject, I will tell you this as well.


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[Assistant] Because, the more time you spent, if you, if I was always giving orders to everyone and not actually discussing, I was just ordering everyone to do everything all the time.


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[Assistant] You're, you're burning up your leadership capital.


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[Assistant] Like when I, you know, when we're out in the field, and when I was out in the field with the platoons,


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[Assistant] I seldom gave an order over the radio because I wanted my guys to lead.


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[Assistant] When I did say something, the guys would just do it.


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[Assistant] The less you, the more you talk, the less people listen. And the less you talk, the more people listen.


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[Assistant] So I reserved my actual directives in the field to be the most important things that I needed. And if I didn't have to say that, wouldn't I would let my troopers lead, let my leadership, let my subordinate leadership lead. I wanted them to.


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[Assistant] So you're going to college for the, either back to college or you've been in the military. Okay. Number one, out of the gate, crush it.


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[Assistant] In order to do that, you gotta get a mindset. Cause guess what you're gonna be thinking when you get out of the military. You're gonna be like, oh, this is no big deal. And oh, this doesn't matter. You're gonna be like, hey, I was in, I was in Iraq.


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[Assistant] Eight months ago where I was in Afghanistan. Six months ago and now you're sitting here telling me to read a book and write down words on a piece of paper. This doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] That's an easy, that's an easy path to go down.


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[Assistant] And if you want to go down that path and be this stuff doesn't matter, this isn't important compared to what I've done, so I'm gonna blow it off.


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[Assistant] Cause everybody, if you make that decision that you wanna crush it, if you wanna make the decision that you're gonna prove to people,


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[Assistant] That, you know what, yeaah, I was overseas, I was in combat, now I'm coming back and your little games that you're playing, I'm gonna beat you in your own games. So how do you do that? Number one,


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[Assistant] Do the reading that you get assigned. Do the assignments that you get tasked with. Do everything. Let that be your new job.


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[Assistant] These silly little games that they're put, let that be your job. Just like I was talking about OCS. When I went to OCS, I made that like a game for me that I was gonna win. So do that with college.


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[Assistant] Commander's intent? Make it that you're gonna not just do well there as a game, but you're gonna do well so you can get smarter.


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[Assistant] So you can really actually learn information that's gonna make you a better person and give you better


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[Assistant] Ability to dominate in the world. That's what you should be doing in college. Now these kids that you're gonna be going to college with, they're not gonna have this attitude.


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[Assistant] They're gonna be, you know, hey, what do I need to do to get by? What's Sally doing tonight? I'm more concerned about that than I am about going out dominating this course so that I can get an A so that I have knowledge so I can go and crush some, some vocation later on in life. So don't just do it as a game.


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[Assistant] You gotta play the game a little bit. I mean, you gotta, for me, I get the game mentality going, but the game mentality is rooted in something deeper, and what it's rooted in is gaining knowledge to be smarter and better as a human.


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[Assistant] Now a couple things about college and the actual tactics, techniques and procedures to dominate. Cause when I went to college, I did dominate. And when I went to high school, I did not dominate. When I went to high school, I didn't care about high school.


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[Assistant] Getting ahead of the curve because it's so easy. That's what happens with kids in college. That's why they don't do well because for the first time there's no one...


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[Assistant] Tracking them. No one's imposing discipline on them. You have to have, in order to do well in college, you have to have self-discipline. Cause no one's gonna tell you to start that paper that's due in six weeks. No one's gonna tell you to start it tomorrow.


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[Assistant] You can just blow it off. You can blow it off for five and a half weeks and then you've got to write a 30 page paper in two days and it's gonna, it's not gonna be quality.


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[Assistant] That's right. So you need to get the time management going. You need to get a disciplined time management schedule. You need to get ahead of the curve as early as possible, right? You know, when you want to, when a paper's due, a 30 page paper, you need to write it in chunks.


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[Assistant] Like a week out I would be done with a 30 page paper. And then I would just be reviewing it and getting it all completely dialed and I'd turn it in two days early and then move on to the next one.


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[Assistant] Same thing with studying, you don't want to study, you do want to study hard right before the day of the test, but you want to have knowledge already absorbed in there, so you want to study leading up to that. When you do reading that I talked about, highlight.


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[Assistant] And then you go through the flashcards and you're gonna, you're gonna memorize stuff.


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[Assistant] This is really obvious, but guess what people don't know. ASK QUESTIONS.


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[Assistant] And they'd be looking at me, you know, cause in college they kinda stop raising their hand, but I did it anyways.


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[Assistant] So when you feel it coming off, try and catch up real quick, you know, take a look and then just raise your hand, put your hand all the way up in the air, sit in the front row, put your hand all the way up in the air and look at the teacher.


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[Assistant] With, with a dead serious face and they're gonna look at you all nervous and be like, yes.


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[Assistant] Because, because that's what the attendance sheet said, because my real name is John, and that's what the attendance sheet said. And so they'd, yea, I'd be sitting there and they'd say, uh, yes, John. And I'd say, yea, I don't understand that. Could you re-explain it, please?


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[Assistant] When I introduce myself, I'll be like, Hey, my name is chocolate because that's what everyone always calls me. But these people would call my name in attendance and I didn't want to have this, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Continuity passes are standing by. And then, so sit in the front row, line up your pencils, have your notebooks ready. Personally, challenge the teacher. You want it to, you want your personal challenge to be to pull every piece of knowledge out of them and then go beyond what they know.


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[Assistant] I was, I was, I was competing with the teachers. I was trying to learn more than they actually knew.


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[Assistant] This can get political and if you start being offensive with the way you act, if you start rubbing it in their face, then guess what? That can affect your grade. And part of the game here is to get a good grade.


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[Assistant] I want them to think that. Now some classes you're going to love and you're going to learn a lot from.


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[Assistant] And you get to take advanced grammar and syntax. You're going to be sitting in there like, yes, this is rocks. But there's going to be some classes you don't want to take.


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[Assistant] We have a better reputation, not just for being


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[Assistant] Oh, not even a weird way, you straight up have an advantage. Especially after you've been in the military.


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[Assistant] Yep. But the only thing that'll screw you is if you have the discipline but you don't apply it because you think, oh this doesn't matter, this is nothing compared to combat. That's what I started off by addressing.


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[Assistant] If you can go and you can get the discipline, you can get the time management, you can go to the classes, you can study the stuff. That's one of the tests in college. And military personnel shouldn't fail that test. The only reason they, I'm telling you, I'm sure there's other reasons, but definitely the fact that they're not taking it seriously is what's gonna cost them.


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[Assistant] You know, I want you, if you're a veteran and you're listening to this, I want you to dominate.


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[Assistant] And it shouldn't even be fair. I mean honestly when I was going to college, it wasn't even fair. I mean because I was just ahead, I was just working, I was concentrating, I was focused. And I was making myself focus.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, and there was classes that I was straight up interested in too. You know, and those classes are easier to get through because you like them. You enjoy them.


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[Assistant] I would set up, the time management, you don't want to try and, cause I know everybody, everybody that's, you know, been overseas, it's like, oh I got trouble, I have trouble concentrating.


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[Assistant] So, so, so, what you wanna do is you wanna chunk down your time so you're not trying to force yourself to concentrate for six straight hours. You know? You wanna, hey mom, I wanna bang out.


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[Assistant] I'm going to do an hour and a half right now and I'm going to get into this and then I'm going to go roll jiu jitsu and when I come back I'm going to do another hour and a half and then I'm going to do a workout and then I'm going to come back and do another hour and then I'm going to hang out for a little bit, eat some dinner and then I'm going to go and you know, finish up and review stuff day and night.


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[Assistant] That's just one way to overcome the attention span disorder that we all have.


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[Assistant] Hey, I can't concentrate on this right now. One way to overcome that is to try and do stuff for short periods of time. Even when I was writing the book, I didn't write for 10 hours at a time.


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[Assistant] And that's how you, so you want to chunk this stuff down so you don't have to sit there and focus. Sometimes you have to.


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[Assistant] But you don't want to have to sit there and focus on something for six straight hours. It's difficult.


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[Assistant] Make sure you don't, make sure you upgrade your, your truck while you're there too.


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[Assistant] Well, I do think that a lot of military guys that once they're getting out, people say, what you gonna do now?


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[Assistant] Every day and make yourself better and come out of there with the ability now to set yourself up for a good life because that's what college is supposed to do. It's supposed to give you opportunity.


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[Assistant] So, pure leadership, and yeaah, actually, whether that's harder than leading up the chain of command, which takes the most amount of...


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[Assistant] Nuance and technique and savvy as opposed to peer leadership, which definitely takes a lot as well. And there's nothing new here.


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[Assistant] Nothing new when you're trying to lead peers, just like when you're trying to lead up the chain of command, you're trying to lead down the chain of command. What are you going to do? Number one, you're going to be humble. You're going to listen. You're going to lead when it's time to lead. You're going to follow when it's time to follow, take the hard jobs, work hard, put the priority on the team instead of yourself.


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[Assistant] Accept the blame when things go wrong. Give credit away to the team when things go right. Keep your ego in check.


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[Assistant] And keeping your ego at check is very important because when it comes to peer leadership, this turns into like there's a little ego struggle going on. There's actually a big ego struggle coming on over the whole time because what peers are actually competing with each other in some form.


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[Assistant] For promotion, for authority, for recognition. So you're going to want that credit. You're going to want to be recognized and those little things inside your brain. If you really want to be a good peer leader, you got to let them go.


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[Assistant] And in fact, one way to build leadership credibility is when you become champions of other people's plans. And you go, man, that's awesome. I'll run with it.


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[Assistant] They say, man, Jaco doesn't have an ego, he's running with the plan I put out and he's giving me credit for it. Of course you're building leadership, leadership, uh, credit with that person. Now,


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[Assistant] So those are all, those are challenges, right? And a lot of that, again, boils back to ego. But the other thing is you gotta be mentally nimble when you're doing peer leadership because you're gonna be constantly shifting back and forth and back and forth and back and forth between the dichotomies of leadership.


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[Assistant] So you gotta, you gotta balance those and you gotta be going back and forth between those all the time. And that's what makes, that's what makes peer leadership hard. Because if you and I are peers,


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[Assistant] Inactive in my balancing act, because I'm in charge. So hey, this is what we're gonna do. You know, I, I, I can be less active in balancing and if, same thing, if you work for me, we know what the roles are. Your leader I'm following. It's that.


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[Assistant] The other way around, uhm, I'm leading and you're following. We know what the roles are. With a peer, it's just constantly balancing.


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[Assistant] And if I go too strong in one direction, I'm gonna affect your, I'm gonna, I'm gonna offend your ego. Which is gonna make you turn against me, which is where all these problems come from.


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[Assistant] That's what gives you the ability to balance is that you know that you are balancing.


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[Assistant] To look around and see how people are taking it and make sure that I'm getting the support of people. And if I'm not, then I'll go, hey Echo, you know, you seem to have really good input on how this, why don't you take this section and lead it.


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[Assistant] So now, this is the thing, to take what you're saying, which is 100% right, and folks, this isn't just about jiu-jitsu, obviously. This is about life. And when you meet a person that comes into your office,


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[Assistant] Or they're a regional manager or whatever the case may be. You're automatically doing an assessment. So what do you want to do? Do you want to, do you want to bring them to make the friend decision or foe decision?


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[Assistant] They create relationships, not adversaries. Yes.


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[Assistant] And you know what else? Just going to ego and insecurities. The more secure you are as a person, the easier it is to be nice to them.


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[Assistant] Like when someone comes into the gym and they're mad dogging me, it's not hard for me to be like, hey man, what's going on? Where are you from?


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[Assistant] Because I know I've been training for a long time. I know that they're not gonna mop the mat up with me. That's not, it's not gonna happen.


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[Assistant] Like, cause I'm confident, you know, I'm secure. I know I've been training for a long time. If I'm in a business world.


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[Assistant] And I meet someone and I know that there might be close to my equivalent. Am I insecure where I gotta bow up to them and act like a tough guy? No. I'm actually confident that what I do is well, what I do is good. I know I need a good team. I know that I'm solid. I know I know my information well. I know I'm a hard worker. So why am I going to bow up to them? I got, I'm not threatened by them.


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[Assistant] If he wasn't intimidated by me, he'd be treating me cool. But he is intimidated by me. So the tougher you try and act, that's actually to a skilled kind of person that can read people, the tougher you try and act, the weaker you actually appear.


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[Assistant] Cause I wanna have some brutal questions and I would love to think that I would have stood up like a man and like a hero and done everything in my power to stop the madness.


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[Assistant] And to come up with a new way and protest the futile tactics and raise my hand and say we're not doing this sir. I will not send my men to their deaths. I would


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[Assistant] Love to think that that's what I would have done.


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[Assistant] I can tell you when, when I was told to do things in Iraq that I thought we shouldn't be doing, I said, hey, you know what? That's not a good idea. Let's find another way. Let's do something different. So I know I've done that before.


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[Assistant] We got, we got, we had operations that we looked at and said, you know what? This is not a smart operation. There's a really high risk and there's very low reward.


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[Assistant] Let's, let's, let's not do that one. Let's find another way to do it. So I know I've done that. But...


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[Assistant] You take me and you put me in a world war one trench. Now we have a different mind. I have a different brain and the thing that I'm scared of, the thing that haunts me is what if my mind was trapped?


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[Assistant] We've done these things and we've prepared for it and we've got more bombs we're gonna drop and we've got more artillery. This is gonna be the one.


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[Assistant] You just need to go over the top one more time or what if I believe that? What if?


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[Assistant] Free your mind. That is the situation that I am talking about.


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[Assistant] Well-worn path that other people have gone by. Maybe it's a path that you walked before.


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[Assistant] How would I have handled the leadership situation in World War One? I cannot honestly answer that question.


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[Assistant] But the way I try and live and the way I try and think


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[Assistant] That can detach from what's being told to me and I can question it and I can come up with a different solution.


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[Assistant] Well, you just read the question as it was stated. It just said topic for podcasts, tough versus smart.


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[Assistant] And in my opinion, I don't think you need to be tough versus smart. I don't think it needs to be tough OR smart. I think you need to be tough AND smart.


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[Assistant] You know, so when we think of tough, I think we think of using for instance, using blunt force to solve a problem.


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[Assistant] And at the same time, you might think that stepping back from a problem and taking a look or stepping back away from it might be giving up. So you're weak.


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[Assistant] But there are times when those options are the best options. There's some times when blunt force is the best option.


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[Assistant] And there's other times where the best possible thing you could do is step back and quit beating your head against the wall.


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[Assistant] And trying to blunt force through something, you wanna step back and find another way. You wanna be smarter, not harder.


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[Assistant] And I think again, this comes out to balance and people pushing.


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[Assistant] When it's a good time to push and a good time to be tough and at the same time, knowing that you need to balance that with being smart and the only way you're going to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] The only way you're going to be able to figure out if you're just being too smart or not smart enough or too tough or not tough enough is to be able to detach and step back and look and see assess the situation. If you get too in the weeds on it


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[Assistant] You won't be able to see that, hey, you've beat your head against the wall 47 times. That's enough. Stop. Step back and find another way.


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[Assistant] Just like if you're so engrossed in solving the problem and finding the perfect solution and finding the least impact way through the smartest resolution,


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[Assistant] You don't, if you don't step back from that, you might not see that if you wait any longer on your brilliant plan, you're going to be overrun by the problem itself.


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[Assistant] So being smart and being tough are not mutually exclusive. You need to be both. And the way that you balance them is by stepping back, detaching and doing, always doing an assessment of what's happening.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, you have to go with being smarter. Why is that unfortunate? It's not unfortunate, but the reality is being smarter is better.


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[Assistant] Being smarter, look, look at the human race. Why do we rule the world over the animals? I mean, you tell me that you're tougher than a, than a chimpanzee. Well me, yea, but I'm just saying. Right? The only reason, the thing that wins is intellect. And it'll win every single time. Well, it'll win a lot of the time. A lot of the time.


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[Assistant] That's why I always say that on the podcast. I'm not always talking about being stronger and faster and bigger and tougher. I'm always talking about you gotta be smarter too. No doubt about it. The success I've had from my life is zero of it. Just about zero of it has come from anything physical or being tough.


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[Assistant] Now, there is a mental toughness that does help you when you are doing intellectual things.


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[Assistant] Goals or some intellectual challenges that if I wasn't, if I didn't, tough isn't the best word, but if it wasn't mentally tough, I wouldn't be able to do it.


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[Assistant] Who would you rather be? The guy that is really tough and can stay in cold water for 45 minutes? Or the guy that invents a wetsuit like Jack O'Neil? And I can stay in the water for an unlimited amount of time now.


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[Assistant] Who do I use as a standard to measure myself by?


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[Assistant] Because there's people in the world that have skills and strength and talent that I will never have.


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[Assistant] I mean, some of these notions that you can be whatever you want to be as, as long as you want it bad enough. Those are not true. There are fairy tales. We all have limitations.


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[Assistant] And I don't have the right genes to be an Olympic weightlifting champion.


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[Assistant] Whatever sport you wanna name. Now, sure, if I trained my whole life, perhaps I could have achieved some high level in those sports, but,


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[Assistant] I can tell you I do not have the DNA to be the best in the world in those categories.


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[Assistant] Does that mean that I give up? Does that mean that I quit? Of course not. Not at all.


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[Assistant] It means that I'm gonna try to be the best that I can be.


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[Assistant] I will compare myself to others and look at them and see what they're doing and I'll say,


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[Assistant] It is possible. How close can I get to that greatness? How close can I get to that glory?


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[Assistant] Faster and stronger and smarter and with one victory that no one can ever take away from me.


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[Assistant] So once again, thanks to everyone for listening and downloading and supporting the podcast through the various options that we have to do so. Echo, what are those options?


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[Assistant] Well, also you can support the podcast by reviewing it on iTunes or Stitcher or Google Play or whatever you listen to it on. And that helps promote the podcast and spread the word. So take a couple minutes and write a review and I read them.


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[Assistant] They don't let you respond to them on iTunes though. Like I can't say like, hey man, thanks.


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[Assistant] That's true. Well, if you say something cool, you know what some people have done? They've, they've, uh, like taken a screenshot of it and then put it on Twitter and that way I can be like, Oh, that's cool, man. That's awesome. Appreciate it. Or I can say, Hey, good point.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, but at least they're showing that, hey, this is funny because I would like to see like some reviews. Like there's some people that write reviews that I laugh at because they're funny. They're like, I am definitely getting after it tonight. You know what I go, that's awesome, man.


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[Assistant] That's cool. Appreciate that. And also, of course, if you want to continue this conversation like we just talked about, or you want to ask questions, or you want to give us feedback, or you want to send us a screenshot of your Amazon purchase.


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[Assistant] Uh, or you just want to kick it with us, then you can find us on the interwebs on Twitter. EchoCharles is at EchoCharles and I am at


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[Assistant] Jocko Willink, we are also there with Facebook and the Instagram.


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[Assistant] Putting these principles to work on the battlefield in your business, in your personal life. I've seen a bunch of seal buddies that I have and they're, they're into it. They're listening and they're giving me feedback and that, that is worth everything to me.


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[Assistant] To know and I get a bunch of emails from marines, from cops, from firefighters that they tell me that they are putting this stuff to work. I get emails from business people that they're putting this stuff to work and that's what we're doing this for.


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[Assistant] Inspires me to do this and keep doing this and for me to push myself because you are pushing yourself out there earning that victory every single day by going out there and getting after it.


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[Assistant] Cause I remember you saying this- Good evening, Echo. Good evening. I remember you saying this to Jade, remember you were like, you were like, when you don't feel bad, I don't know if you put in those exact words, but that's basically the message exactly. They said when you don't feel bad about it, you guys both know, you know? Do you think that there's a difference between like the SEAL teams, for example, because you can't just,


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[Assistant] I'm assuming you can't just replace the guy, so it's like, it's worth it to invest as much as you possibly can.


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[Assistant] Yup. Yeah, that would have been a good little case study. Yeah. Flank through with the ice cream money. Would you say, back to the hiring and people, you know, you don't have just someone waiting in the wings to get hired to fill that position, remember?


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[Assistant] That kinda is the case, huh? Most of the time where if you fire someone and it's like, oh, we'll just replace them. Right?


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[Assistant] All that work and stuff, you gotta rehire somebody. Ben, that, you're wasting time and resources to do that. You could just be investing more in that kind.


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[Assistant] So do you make the exception if, let's say you know, let's say, hey, I, I, I hired this, I don't know. You weigh it. You weigh the pros and cons. So if you do have a guy kind of waiting in the wings, I don't know, my neighbor, you know, hey, he's winning wins, so you're going to invest less in this guy because we got this guy ready to go.


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[Assistant] I feel like that's such a critical component, the tone. You can say the same exact question, but you say it in all these different tones. So, like, what were you, you know how you always say this, what were you thinking there on that thing or when that went down? As opposed to?


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[Assistant] What were you thinking? You know, like that kind of thing that's common. What were you thinking? Like you're so dumb.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you're in the mix, you- it's- you just- you're just compelled to do it. Like, I'm winning. Yeah, it's like- I don't need to train any harder.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't need training harder. I'm good to go. It's like that guy running the mile. You know the guy who's running the mile, right? He's beating everyone. He's winning. But then you got the guy who's had some adversity through the four laps and at the end he's turning it on and the guy ran the mile. He's like, oh, I'm cruising and the guy passes him.


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[Assistant] What's easy about being the underdog is that not much is expected out of you. So even if you fail it, everyone's like, whatever, it doesn't throw up any kind of red flag, doesn't move the needle. But when you do good, it moves the needle. Cause no one expects much out of you.


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[Assistant] Interestingly, that's almost, that's why most of us start. Because they feel it. It happens to you and you're like woah woah woah. That was like. You're like, how's this guy who's, you know.


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[Assistant] That's a good idea right there about let the, you know, in your high school, your example is high school, but let the citizen


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[Assistant] Know how it feels to be the cop. Cause really, that's all you see, cause the cop has all this power, you know, and all this stuff.


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[Assistant] They don't know, I think when they see that kind of stuff, they don't know because of the emotions that get invoked when they see it. So, if they understand...


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[Assistant] That's like a two-way street to facilitate that learning process. So when you, so when the, so let's say that was a common thing.


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[Assistant] That was one of like a normal thing, one of the normal things for people to go through this training. And that was just kind of part of our culture, you know, where


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[Assistant] As a citizen, we know we're well aware of what cops go through and all this stuff because we've been through it and we understand, we just totally understand.


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[Assistant] That would make the whole landscape of cop versus citi- or cops working alongside with citizens, it would stick out like a sore thumb when someone was suspicious. Otherwise people would be just, yea, I know exactly what to do, it'd be like clockwork, routine.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that typically ends up to be, well, I mean, I guess, you know, it's debatable, I guess, but that typically becomes the best discourse because at the time, if the, if a cop or whoever, whoever, I used to be a bouncer. So it's on a way lower level. It's kind of the same thing.


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[Assistant] I believe that my rights are violated to pursue it later. Because if you choose to pursue it right then and there, it's not going to work out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah man, I think, like I said, I think that does create this kind of, this overall understanding of the process. Like, remember, I used to be a bouncer, and you know, it's like check IDs, right? Check IDs, and when someone has a fake ID, usually you can tell in their behavior.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying I can tell a guy's underage or whatever if their behavior doesn't- I'm not saying that, but if there's some suspicion or whatever, his behavior's gonna tell more of the tale, you know? But-


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[Assistant] There is this kind of standard, standard operating kind of way when you present your ID, show your ID, you be quiet and you just kind of stand there so they can look at your face, the bouncer. I'm just saying that's what typically what people do automatically. But when people do other things, it sticks out, you know?


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[Assistant] They'll do that and they'll create this pattern, like I said, where when they are acting suspicious, it won't be Hughes just kinda generally suspicious, it'll stick out way more.


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[Assistant] That'll help you out a lot. And 10% off. So we said it a bunch of times, but I can't, I kind of can't say it enough really as far as benefits.


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[Assistant] It'll put you ahead for sure. So yeaah, get 10% off that. Uhm, if you wanna support with the Amazon situation, the one where you...


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[Assistant] Go to the website, click on the Amazon link, you know, before you do your shopping. Uhm.


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[Assistant] That's a good way to do it. Uh, if you have a hard time remembering, we have the Trooper Tool, which is good. Brady. Yeah, Brady Bull came through on that one. Uhm, it's a thing you go, there's a link on the website, it's called the Trooper Tool, you click on it, uh, it takes you to the page, you click on it, you say yes, that's it. It puts a little thing so it automatically


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[Assistant] Uhm, directs you to the Amazon, uh, it adds the affiliate link so you support the podcast. Uhm, you don't have to go through the websites anymore.


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[Assistant] That's a good one. Uhm, yeaah, and subscribe to the podcast on iTunes. That's a good one, huh?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And Stitcher too, if you're into that. iTunes, I think, is the main one. But, hey man, Stitcher's dope as well. Google Play too. It's on there. Uhm, so yeaah. And go to the YouTube channel! I was gonna re-release a video today. It was like a, uh, outtake or whatever.


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[Assistant] I was too, I was too fired up. Yeaah, man. I was too fired up with other stuff. I'll post it tonight. It'll be good. Uhm, but yeaah. So it's an out, what is it? Outtake video? Yeaah, it's like, one was the, the, the... Now you see what makes me


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[Assistant] Why should I watch that? I never said that. That's the thing. Alright, so cool. Not to get too technical, it's not, I don't need motivation, I need incentive. Oh. They're just, they're different. Okay. I don't want to get into a big thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or the, uh, the Jakku store is a good one. You know, get a shirt if you like those. Uhm, and a bumper sticker. Whatever, if you like those.


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[Assistant] We shouldn't say that. Okay. But, and. Don't ask for Patreon. Patreon. Patreon. We're not gonna do it. Yea, probably not gonna do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you can, that's good. That's cool. It is, it is cool to see those cause it's like 434, you know? Yeah, cause that's cool.


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[Assistant] Thanks for having me bro. It's an honor to be here and you know, the main thing, listening to that speech I remember when you gave it.


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[Assistant] My hope and prayer today is that whatever I do here today, it honors the legacy of our brothers.


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[Assistant] You gotta be real hard to grow up in New England, let me tell ya. It's cold.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I'm, first of all, I've always been the kind of person that like, tell me I can't do something, and I'm gonna just show you. So, I mean, things like,


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[Assistant] Uncles, grandfather, all served in the military. So grew up with that strong sense of wanting to serve my country.


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[Assistant] But then man, I just got onto that like a bulldog on a pork chop and just, I mean tunnel vision went after it.


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[Assistant] Did you do ROTC? I did ROTC. So the thing is, is that I didn't know, I didn't know anything. I mean, I didn't know about, I didn't even know what ROTC was. I didn't even know what enlisting was. I had no clue. No exposure. I just knew I wanted to be a SEAL.


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[Assistant] So, you know, but we started looking at going to college, and I went down and I looked at Vanderbilt University, among others, John Hopkins, RPI, I was an engineering major, and I knew nothing. And all of a sudden I walk into this almost like job fair kind of style thing, like welcome, check out the school, and there's this guy in uniform, and he's of course got a picture of like some Navy SEAL frog man coming out of the water over the beach. And I was like, hey, what's this?


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[Assistant] Right, because that's what we do every day. Uh, right. And I'm like, hey, what's this? He goes, oh, this is ROTC. I'm like, what's that? He goes, oh, well, you go to college. We pay for college. And then you go in the Navy.


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[Assistant] You can be a SEAL through this program. He's like, oh yeah, absolutely. Big lie. Like they take like 16 guys a year, but oh yeah, you can be a SEAL. Oh, okay. Wait, let me get this straight. So I go to college, you pay for it. Watch this. I get to go in the Navy and I can be a SEAL. Yep. Oh my, sign me up. So that's how I found out about RTC.


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[Assistant] That's right, yeaah. Yes, you can be a seal. Little did I know.


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[Assistant] And then you go to, you go to Bud's. Show up to Bud's. That was funny. I showed up, so I asked the ROTC instructor, hey, uhm, you know, like, what's the process for checking in? Do I just, like, what should I wear? I'll just wear, you know,


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[Assistant] So I, I show up to the Bud's quarterdeck in like a collared shirt, walk onto the quarterdeck and one of the most sadistic instructors possible happen to be standing there. I walk on, I'm like, hey, uh, I'm here to check in.


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[Assistant] Like the all-seeing eye, just like glances, like, you said, what? I started checking into buds. Wearing that. I'm like, uh, maybe I should go put a uniform on. Yeah, good idea. Run out to my car.


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[Assistant] Right. Went on, put on my SDBs, came back, promptly got wet and sandy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, some funny Leif stories though. Talk about my bro. So I got, I got pneumonia in Hell Week first time through, so I got rolled back, started over. So uhm, and then, and then Leif transferred in. So Leif was our, was our class leader. And so me, the Delta Platoon commander, who one day you'll hear from,


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[Assistant] And he and I, we all went through buds together, but they were both lateral transfers in, so they were senior to me in rank, right? They were already like JG and a full lieutenant.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so there's games in Buds, right, like you're trying to win. So, you know, we were, we were wise to the games already to try and win. And Leif, if, you know, my brother is,


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[Assistant] Life is black and white with my brother Leif. Okay, so, I'm gonna hear about this one. But, he, so, you know, it's right and it's wrong, and there's like, so, you know, we're like, you know, and Bud's sort of like, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. And if you get caught, you ain't trying hard enough. I mean, so, and there's an element of that in Bud's, uh, obviously not completely, but,


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[Assistant] So, you know, we're, we're pulling all kinds of games. And his boat crew is losing, cause we are.


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[Assistant] We're cheating to win. And uhm, he's getting so pissed, like after the race, like after class, he's like, hey, you got, and then he finally wisen up and started playing the game.


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[Assistant] Alright, so, so the deal was in, in, this has changed throughout the years, but like, when I checked into team three, there was this brief period of time, whoever was in charge of the time decided that third O's in a platoon was a bad idea for officer development. Says no more third O's. So, basically, I was faced with being


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[Assistant] A talk jockey, uhm, or going over to the boat team and at least being in charge or something to get some leadership experience. So I went over to the special boat teams, which is part of Naval Special Warfare. And ultimately when they deploy, they deploy as part of the task unit and are the task group and it's all integrated in part of.


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[Assistant] So look, as a brand new officer, Elise had an opportunity to deploy in a combat zone to lead men and to work with my SEAL brothers who were conducting operations in the Northern Caribbean Gulf.


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[Assistant] Who you, you guys were bros already. We were bros, yeaah. We've known each other for years. Went through buds together.


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[Assistant] It was cool, it was kinda like getting the band back together, you know. And those, and look, those two guys had just come off of...


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[Assistant] I only knew who you were through them, like when other guys, like, said, oh, Jaco. Badass dude, this is gonna be awesome. Right? Because like, we already had an inkling that like, if, if this dude was gonna be our TU commander, we had our best shot at getting it in combat.


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[Assistant] Although we had no idea what was about to happen. Good assessment. Yeah. Yeah. Your repute, your reputation was great, but you were coming over in that case for being the, uh, admiral.


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[Assistant] But there's a good lesson there, right? So here, I mean, everybody knows you as an incredible leader, awesome seal.


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[Assistant] And yet, for this period of time, you had to do this job that was not particularly fun. It's kinda like, you know, I had to go over and be the seal at the boat unit, right? But, dude, life is full of things like that. And when you are part of the team, no matter what, you do it to the best of your ability. And you did an awesome job as the admiral's aide. Not necessarily what you wanted to do, being a trident wearing frogmaid.


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[Assistant] And there's stupid stuff you deal with, yes. But trust me, enjoy this, man. You won't find it anywhere else. Nothing like that. Awesome.


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[Assistant] Yep. So me, Mikey, and another guy were the new guys in that platoon.


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[Assistant] Dang, I forgot about that. In our, in, in, in. In Delta. In Delta, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Needless to say, Delta and Charlie were of slightly different dynamic.


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[Assistant] And by the way, as a new guy, there's tough scrutiny, but the reality is, it doesn't matter if you're new or not. Like, they are watching everybody. Everybody's getting watched. I mean, you could be a third platoon guy and get canned from the platoon for a safety violation, and you can get a safety violation in two seconds out there.


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[Assistant] So when we were out there, there was another platoon that was there at the same time. Do you remember this? They were in, and I'm pretty sure the chief got canned.


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[Assistant] Like, there's a humility and a respect in that response, and he was not doing that. And I'm telling you, like, he...


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[Assistant] You're trying to recreate the intensity of combat as best you can. So they're creating high stress situations as stressful as possible. And like you said, sometimes creating


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[Assistant] Translates to combat. Good decisions under stress and under pressure.


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[Assistant] At all times. It's a fine line between competent and cocky.


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[Assistant] And being humble, you can be confident, you can be sure, you can be humble and respectful and open to learning new things and you may be surprised at what you learn.


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[Assistant] I remember like literally day, first of all day one that I was checking into the platoon space.


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[Assistant] I got like the combo to the platoon space, right, and I went in, and I'm brand new, and uh, so I'm gonna be protective of my platoon, you know, so I go in. I'm walking out of the platoon space, making sure the door is locked behind me, cause you know, other platoon guys go in and just destroy another guy's platoon space or whatever. And I'm walking down the hallway, and uhm, our LPO.


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[Assistant] Who is, goes down to the door and he doesn't have the combo, right? And he goes, he goes, hey, hey, what's the combo to the space? So I'm like.


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[Assistant] I gave him some wise ass remarks. Did you not know him? No, I didn't know him yet, right? How'd that work out for you? It was hilarious. Like, he goes, hey, what's the combo to the space? I'm like, hey man, I can't give that to you. And I didn't know he was the LPO. He goes, I'm the goddamn LPO, what's the fucking combo to the platoon space?


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[Assistant] Roger that. 3-1 together than 2. You know? And I proceeded to walk down the steps and I'm going, oh god almighty, I am just, I just met the LPO and it was not on good terms. Oh man. That's awesome. And then he and I turned out to be good friends. But uhm,


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[Assistant] Now remember we're out doing land warfare training and this is like where you know you're cutting the metal like you said you're getting to know each other and you know the guys in the platoon also trying to figure out with these new guys like alright what have I what have we got here what can we rely on you know and uh so.


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[Assistant] Every man for himself, and it's just like your head's on a swivel, and it's Mikey, The Tick, and me, and we're just wailing away, and it's just going, and it's, hey,


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[Assistant] Who's gonna continue to fight, basically, right? And dude, oh, everything, you know, I'm an officer and these two guys are just, you know, obviously willing to wait, but I'm like, hey man, I'm gonna just fight to the bitter end. And it was, it was pretty awesome.


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[Assistant] On the east coast when I was in high school, and I got into Gracie Jujitsu, like literally, I was already training when the first UFC ever came out, right? And so it was pretty cool.


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[Assistant] But I, but to be fair, like at the time it was all very new. Like the world of MMA today is- Oh yea, totally different. Totally different. As you know.


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[Assistant] At the time, like, I mean, I even went to, in high school, with my, with my instructor, who was a, who was a teacher at my school, he was into it, so he and I would train, like, five in the morning, before school. Me versus him, much larger man. But we would learn jujitsu, and then we went and did seminars with Hoyce Gracie.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in upstate New York we would drive. And, uh, it was cool. I got to get out of school and go train.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, and I'm not gonna say that these are tough guys, these are seals, right? But that's right, that's right, like they weren't tapping me out, you know?


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[Assistant] Yep. But you know, and the thing at that time, because they were bigger than me, was more about energy conservation, right? And so like, I mean, I just let them wear themselves out, and then they try and get things on me, and then I just sneak my way around there, buddy.


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[Assistant] Let's go. I mean, hey, I'm a new guy in the platoon, right? I mean, I gotta earn my spot, right? And so some, somewhere, somebody had, actually it was the LPO, he had, he had one of these things. And I was like, oh, and I'm gonna tell you what, like it had these like two modes, the one where you could shoot, or you could like put it right up to the guy, you know? And I was like, hey, let's go. Shoot at me like, I'm like,


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[Assistant] Let's go. And then like the whole platoon, like everybody like met down in the Batcave. And uhm, there may be a video floating around somewhere.


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[Assistant] Or just no shirt. I was in a t-shirt. Okay. Yep. And, uh, I was like, oh my god.


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[Assistant] So it's like, there's like, oh, they're getting ready to do it, and they're like, oh wait, wait, and, you know, these are my guys looking out for me, appreciate it guys. They're like, oh wait, here, here, put this eye pro on, oh that's a good idea.


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[Assistant] So it, so clearly, and I remember this too, like it hits you and like it hits you in that, in that spot, and like your hands go to grab, like you've been stung, you've been hit, so my hands, my hands get like three quarters of the way there.


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[Assistant] So like, it went into the muscle. Like, because like, I remember ripping and coming free, but not free, and it was, but it was still beneath the skin. And, uh, and then it just, like, just ripped it.


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[Assistant] The best thing you can do is just volunteer in a situation like that, you know, and just be like, come on, let's go. Yep, bring it.


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[Assistant] Well, that's why we earned, earned the spot to be able to go to Iraq, right? Because the thing is, is that some guys are going elsewhere. And, and you're all vying, look, I mean, you're all vying because you want to go to combat. And some guys are going someplace else, not in Iraq. And uhm, you know, I hate to say it, but that's not where any of us really wanted to go. Oh, nothing I hate to say about that.


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[Assistant] That's right. That's right. We all wanted to go to war. That's what we were fighting for. We were competing. There's three task units. We were competing as a task unit to get top spot to the most dangerous place. And that's where we want to go. And that turned out to be Ramadi. Now, by the way, on that workout too, just from a leadership perspective, I don't know if you remember, you know, not everybody made it through the workout.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there were guys who were cut loose. Uhm, safety issues, not stepping up, not leading, like pushing that leadership opportunity down to the junior officer or whatever and not stepping up or doing something unsafe or just not having what it took. And uhm, you know, and, you know, just from a leadership perspective, you have to be,


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[Assistant] Well think about it, right? So this is a guy who is, who, so there's a guy who's an officer, right? So you're, I mean, we didn't really, we kind of glazed through it, but it's hard to get a spot to go to Buds as an officer. It's very competitive. So this is a guy who's an officer who got a spot to go to Buds, made it through Buds, which is


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[Assistant] Right. That's right. That's right. A great guy who stepped up, who made it through something that many, many other men could not make it through, and


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[Assistant] Had to make a hard decision, uhm, you know, on your part with the Delta Platoon commander to not have this guy continue with us. And so if that can happen even within the SEAL teams, any of those of you guys that were listening, right? I mean, don't you think that's also possible that within your organization you might have to make a similar kind of decision?


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[Assistant] We also have to make that decision in the SEAL teams. We're not exempt from making that decision.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you as a leader, why don't you step up and train this guy? What are you doing? Cause that can be a cop out, right? Hey, if I'm too lazy to train mentor, then you're copping out as leader. But if you've done all those things as a leader, and you can really document that and see that, and the guy's still not performing, then the next leadership decision is time to part ways.


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[Assistant] So some guy said to me one time, and this is an outside guy, and said, he goes, it kinda seems to me that in the SEAL teams you guys do stress inoculation really well. And so I would say yes, because that's exactly my same, first firefight I got in, I was like, no big deal.


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[Assistant] And you know, look, you know when the rounds are close, right? Like you know what that sounds like. And they're, and they're really close and it's no big deal. By the way, it's not really very loud when they're shooting at you, right? I mean, you hear a certain sound. Uhm, but then of course you fire a maneuver and it gets a little bit loud. But that's awesome. It's just like every drill we've ever done. And it was no big deal. It was just,


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[Assistant] It was almost habit at that point. You knew exactly the maneuver, so no big deal. The, the first, the first time I went out in Ohama,


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[Assistant] In Ramadi, so keep in mind, like you said on the introduction, when we got there,


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[Assistant] Guys were getting IED'd and killed every single day. Every day the message traffic came over and it was KIA.


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[Assistant] Right. And, you know, so like, you actually can't shoot back if you want to, right? The only guy who can shoot back is your turret gunner. And, for the first, like, I would just say minute and a half, I was like, wincing. I was like, waiting for this clack to go boom, boom. You know, and then finally I was like, you know what? There's nothing I can do about it.


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[Assistant] And I literally let it go right then. So that was, that was like, that's a strong memory. Like I remember, even for all the training, and again, the first firefight was no big deal.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but driving down in a Humvee, sitting in the back, completely helpless. I mean, you have two choices, and life is a lot like this. You can sit there and worry yourself away about it.


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[Assistant] You know what? Here's the deal. I can't control it. So I'm just gonna be ready so it's my time to bust out this door or do whatever we gotta do to do an immediate action drill or whatever.


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[Assistant] I'm ready to do it. And the rest of it you just let go. You let go. Cause anything else is not effective.


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[Assistant] That's it. It's the winning mindset. And if your goal is to win, then you have to recognize that certain thought processes are not effective, and they take away from your ability to win. And you know, I see people get worried about stuff, that kind of thing, right? So uhm, you just, you take a step back and go, I want to win.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'll change this one day, but right now this is where I've come to on fear. Uhm, maybe for the caveman who's walking through the jungle and they get attacked by the Saber II tiger and that fear, that fight or flight response is enough to make him react in a moment in order to avoid being slashed by the tiger.


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[Assistant] But other than that, fear was not effective in battle. Because you do not make good decisions when acting in fear. And you have a better chance of survival, you make better decisions, and you have a better chance of winning and defeating and crushing the enemy when you remain calm. And you do the OODA loop, right? Observe, Orient, Decide, Act.


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[Assistant] That's healthy. That's healthy. That's healthy. But you're also trained and prepared mentally for that kind of thing. Most people, when they start acting in fear, they start making poor decisions. Oh yea, absolutely. So in that sense, it's like, hey, get over your fears, because you have to recognize that when you're acting in fear, you'll have a less desirable outcome than if you can get over it, calm down, sip, you know, observe, orient, decide, act.


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[Assistant] So, and it's funny because, you know, over time in the deployment.


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[Assistant] You really mature, uhm, even in a short amount of time. And I'll give you a quick, quick story. So it was, it was one of my last ops before I left country. And there was another unit that had come in to kind of partner up with us. And uhm, we went and did this op. And so the officer in that unit, who's a good friend of mine by the way, uhm,


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[Assistant] Was, it was, it might have been his second combat op, right? And so I've been on, I don't even know how many at that point.


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[Assistant] And, uh, so we went and did this operation and it involved some army units and, uh, so we're sitting in this position and, uh, so.


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[Assistant] Plastic blunder. The army guy who's sitting there, uhm, is on the rooftop and he's smoking a cigarette.


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[Assistant] Like the classic World War II sniper victim, smoking a cigarette, trail of smoke going up, and, uh, I mean, this is classic, I mean, single sniper shot, shoots him, and it,


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[Assistant] Just, I mean, it misses his face. Well, let me put it this way. It took his earlobe off. Right? Round cracks into the wall behind us. That's it. Immediately, everybody just like, blah, like, just unloads firefight, right? And, uh, so we're calling a medevac for this guy, cause it kinda, it still cut him pretty good. And, uhm,


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[Assistant] What else do you think is possibly gonna come from this? And, you know, I mean I probably


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[Assistant] We've already got a lot of guys hurt on this deployment. We've already lost Mark and a few other guys. You know, Biggles has already been shot at this point.


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[Assistant] You have to weigh, like, what, what more are you gonna gain? I mean, first of all, this guy just, this sniper just got a bead on this guy. I mean, and by the grace of God, he is still alive. And we've shot like, so, what else is gonna happen?


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[Assistant] I mean, they're either just gonna set up and get a better position or get another shot.


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[Assistant] But they certainly aren't gonna do anything. We certainly aren't gonna see anything that they don't want us to see.


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[Assistant] At this point. So the battlefield is lost. I mean, this op is, it's over. It's time to pull chocks and go. So anyway, the army came and...


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[Assistant] Uhm, but you know, that's just sort of like a quick, it's like obvious, it's obvious to me at that point. You know, on a Monday morning comp, you know, quarterback 10 years later, as I'm explaining this, like, anybody's listening can go, well yeah, obviously, time to go, right? But you know what, you're in that position, and guys are still trying to get after it, and there's still things going on out there you might think, well maybe there's still something we can do here.


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[Assistant] Plus a big tactic for those guys was slowly evolving and happened after we left.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so, you know, I found myself in a position a lot of times of kind of stitching the platoon, keeping the platoon stitched together, you know, because in an intense situation, guys start to have different opinions about things, you know.


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[Assistant] And so uhm, so on this deployment, I was not the platoon commander.


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[Assistant] My good friend was the platoon commander. And when you're in a position of leadership you're making a lot of hard decisions. And not everybody always agrees with the decision that gets made.


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[Assistant] And so a lot of times the role I needed to fill was to back my platoon commander and continue to keep the platoon together behind the platoon commander because he was tasked with making some hard decisions.


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[Assistant] So uhm, sometimes it was, you know, so look, the analogy I would give to you is that you may be in a role in a company, in an organization where the best thing you can do to be part of the team is to


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[Assistant] Help keep the team on focus for the mission and that might mean, you know, spending some time with one or two guys who are over here, uh, having a disagreement about the decision or which way things are going.


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[Assistant] And when you've got guys in a platoon or any organization, a high performing organization, that are really strong willed and have strong opinions, and by the way are intelligent and can make really articulate points as to why they don't agree with something,


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[Assistant] You know, again, my role in that situation was to ensure that mission success continued to happen, that we were still effective as a unit. And that meant me, kind of behind the scenes, trying to keep some guys on board.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I've got a great story about Mikey's Palace, by the way, so. Go ahead, let's hear about Mikey's Palace. So the, so the CVs had built these awesome


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[Assistant] Well, as a mole rat, we know we have a slightly different cycle. So.


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[Assistant] So, you go in, you go in, he was on the ground floor, and so you go down, and he was pitch black, and you feel your way through all these bunks, and then you go down around this corner, down this hallway, and you make a sharp right, and uhm,


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[Assistant] And then there'd be this faint glow coming from Mikey's palace. And so Mikey's bunk was the last one up against the wall. And there was like an extra like three feet between his bunk and the wall, just the way that way it worked out.


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[Assistant] And so he had like these tapestries that his family had sent him hanging from the wall. And uh, and he'd have like poncho liners all hung out blocking the whole thing out. And so it was all dark. It was like his little cave.


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[Assistant] And you go back in there, and uh, I don't know where he got him, he had like extra pillows on his bunk, and like he had his laptop like, like rigged, that's like a


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[Assistant] That was just cool, man. He had this, yeah, it was cool. Pictures, posters hanging on the wall. He had that thing tricked out. Dialed. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And the thing is, is it's like, gosh, I mean, hindsight is 20-20, man. You know, when, when, man, when this stuff goes like this, uhm.


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[Assistant] We had plan- we knew that that was gonna be the end of the deployment. And so it was like, alright, cool, you know, you just go back with the- with the add-on, or the redeploy.


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[Assistant] And so that was all part of the plan. Uhm, from day one basically. Alright, cool. Uhm, because my first son had been born on my last appointment. So, as it was, and, and by the way, so start heading back. Wife gives birth early anyway.


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[Assistant] There you go, two deployments, two kids, not there. Common story for a lot of military guys. Uhm, but for people who are not, you know, I mean imagine like you're not being there for your, for either of your kids. My wife, she's a trooper, but she was running out of steam.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so it was cool to be able to go back and at least try to be there. Uhm, but Gunner's always been in a hurry, so he came early. Uhm, and then, so, yeaah, went back, uhm, started handling the redeploy.


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[Assistant] And then there was like three other guys that like a week later came and followed me too. So it was, it was, you know, near the end but a tough, but a tough call anyway. And then...


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, I remember where I was when I got the award. So, you know, I was back at the team and, uh, I was actually


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[Assistant] I was chatting with Delta Platoon Commander, uhm, via a method that we use, and he, uhm, so I knew they were going out. And uhm, I mean I distinctly remember going, alright man, get some, get some for me, you know, and uh, so I was home, I got the call at like,


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[Assistant] 1230 at night, uhm, our time, local. And, uh, so I knew right away that it was one of our guys. Uh, they wouldn't, you know, nothing over the, you know, over the phone specifically, but I knew because I had just talked to our guys, you know, and I was like, god, I'm money. So I raced into, so you get the call that just says come to work. Yep. Get to work. And I'm like, all right. So, and admittedly I'm a little frantic, you know, because these are my brothers.


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[Assistant] You know, you can have some survivors guilt over that kind of thing. You know, uhm, uh, you know, it seems like, hey, look, we got this. Deployment's basically over. Uhm, and go back thinking you're making a right decision trying to balance stuff with your family.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then for that to happen, uh, and you know, he's one of my guys. He's one of my guys. And I wasn't there.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's hard. Uhm, you know, it's been almost 10 years now. And time helps to heal those kinds of things. But I had a lot of guilt over that. And, uhm, so anyway, we kind of figure out what's going on. Uhm, I get the brief and figure out who it is.


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[Assistant] So uhm, start figuring out, okay, so now it's, now it's a race for those of you that don't know, I mean, look, here's the thing, we live in a 24-7 news world, uhm, and it's a race to notify the family before they find out through some other means. And, uh, he, you know, lives up in Orange County, so we start assembling a team, uhm, and, you know,


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[Assistant] This is the second guy. We have not lost seals in Iraq to this point. Mark and Mike now. So uhm, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, who's gonna go up and do the notification? And I mean, like, I had to, like, dig my heels in. I was like, listen, this is my guy.


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[Assistant] And thank god I did that. Because, I mean, I wouldn't have had it any other way. Uhm, we're racing, we put the guys together, throw the blues on, we're driving up, and uhm, you know, look, when we got to Mikey's family's house, uhm, you know, look,


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[Assistant] All they wanted was to talk to somebody who knew Mikey. And the other four guys that were standing there didn't know him. Didn't serve with him. Didn't work up with him. Didn't play with him. And, you know, in this grand scheme of God's plan, I have to ask, you know, we pulled over before pulling up the, uh, pulling up to the house and put on our blues and I literally thought to myself, okay,


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[Assistant] We are about to give the worst possible news to a parent. That their kid is dead.


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[Assistant] I don't know why I'm here in this timing, uhm, but just work through me, just use me, you know. Uh, so, you know, we knocked on their door and, and uhm, you know, Mrs. Mansour looked out and she later knew, you know, that we


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[Assistant] So that was very hard. You know, you go in and obviously family's upset and you're doing the best you can to keep it together. I mean, for me, this was my guy. This was my brother. And I'm standing there giving them the news and trying to keep it together myself. And uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, the, the good news is, is that one by one they sort of looked around and said, well, did anybody know Mikey? And I was like, yea. I knew Mikey, he was mine.


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[Assistant] And the worst thing. And combat itself was a piece of cake compared to this. I would love to go back to combat.


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[Assistant] Any issues or concerns or anything from my military service was completely centered around this. It is an extremely heavy burden to bear. So if you are ever in this position, I don't have any good advice for you. There's nothing you can do to prepare yourself for this type of situation. The only thing I could tell you is


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[Assistant] Reach out to guys who've done it before. I will gladly talk you through it because one of the best solves that I've found for this kind of pain is hanging out with your brothers and spending time with them. Uhm, I will always have time for someone who's had to be a Keiko. Always.


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[Assistant] There are other guys who have been through this, and uhm, and a true brother will be, will be willing to take the time for you. I'll find the time for you, no matter what, no matter how busy I am. And so uhm, I just want to be a resource and I know that there's only so many hours in the day, but if you're going through something, if you've gone through something like this, reach out to your brothers. Find a connection to another military guy.


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[Assistant] Because nobody can understand it like another military guy. And that's part of the stress of it. Part of the stress of it is that you don't feel like you can possibly explain what you're dealing with to anybody else. There's no way they could possibly understand and comprehend it. But another guy who's been to combat can. And we can sit in the room next to each other, even if we sat there and said nothing, we would get each other. And so you gotta reach out to each other. Do not isolate.


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[Assistant] I'm gone. And that war machine keeps cranking, by the way. So the guys are back, they're ready to do another platoon, they're doing pre-deployment work, whatever dude, whatever. It just, it keeps on cranking. And, and then poof, I'm out of the Navy. And, uh, I jump right into the mortgage business.


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[Assistant] Cause you know, nothing like a natural transition from the SEAL teams and the Battlefield of Ramadi to doing 30 year fixed mortgages.


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[Assistant] I was not making a ton of money. I would just like to add. I was brand new, right? So I leave this steady two week paycheck, brotherhood and a job I'd wanted to do my entire adult life at that point. And had it just come with a great appointment and get in the morning. Now I did that because I need to be home. And by the way,


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[Assistant] As much as the struggle was to get out, and, and I really, my heart was truly torn in two opposite directions. Uhm, man, I look back, in the last nine, ten years that I've had, the opportunity to raise and shape my two young boys to be the young men that they're becoming have been absolutely priceless.


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[Assistant] And, but you know, so I found myself February sitting in the quiet office of a mortgage office at like 6.30 in the morning because that's just how I roll. I got a key, I'm gonna get in there early, I'm gonna figure it out.


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[Assistant] And you know, first guy's not showing up at like nine. You know, I'm in there reading guideline books trying to just, you know, I have no paycheck, I have no income. And so, man, it got rough. I started to struggle. I'm struggling.


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[Assistant] Financially, for one thing. I'm struggling emotionally. Uhm, I'm struggling in building new relationships and, you know, kind of like a little bit of a chip on the shoulder and sort of a little bit of an attitude from combat to trying to build relationships in the civilian world. And that was tough. Uhm, but,


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[Assistant] I mean, there were mornings I sat there quietly. And by the way, that picture that you talked about at the beginning of this deal, I have that hanging on my wall. I look at it every single day. And uhm,


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[Assistant] Uhm, as corny as this may sound, uhm, the legacy of my brothers is what drives me.


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[Assistant] The opportunity to help my fellow veterans drives me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because uhm, you know, doing mortgages, yeaah, not super exciting, right? But I sat there quietly trying to figure it out. Uhm, I, I all, uhm, I got divorced. I lost a house to foreclosure. I sold another house.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's a time when I looked over and my young son Gunner is sleeping on the floor. I got no furniture in the house, a house that's days from, it's already been foreclosed and it's days away from the sheriff coming to say, get out. And uhm, that drives me.


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[Assistant] In some ways, this is, this is bad talk right here. In some ways, I beat myself up that I wasn't on the roof that day with Mikey. Because that was my platoon. And I came home early for my son. And then I think, well,


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[Assistant] He made that so that I could live. And I have an obligation.


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[Assistant] To use every ounce of my ability. To use my mind and my body and my drive and my determination to fight and kick and scratch every single day. To honor his legacy. To build and to mentor young men. To help my fellow veterans and to make this country a greater country. And all of those things.


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[Assistant] The more I do, the more I feel like I can honor Mikey and his legacy.


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[Assistant] And to do anything else would be to slight the great sacrifice that he made.


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[Assistant] The legacy of my teammates. I mean, here's the deal. I think about guys that are committing suicide today or thinking about committing suicide and


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[Assistant] Think about this. Do you want to give that nasty enemy even one more victory? Fuck them.


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[Assistant] I am going to win, because I am not going to let them defeat me.


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[Assistant] And I look at my boys, I prayed a lot, right? For me, it's my faith. And Jesus Christ saved me. So I keep fighting. And you know what? That's just...


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[Assistant] Never gonna quit. Never. You are not done until you're six feet under.


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[Assistant] Last grenade I had, pull the pin and lay it underneath myself. So that when the enemy came to try and get my gear, they blow themselves up. Because I am not done until I am gone. And even then, if you've laid the right foundation, the legacy you leave, the messages, and what you've done to help the next generation,


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[Assistant] That's it. I'm just never gonna quit. Never. You can knock me down and I will get back up. You can knock me down and I will get back up. I will get back up. I will get back up.


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[Assistant] And keep in mind, I wasn't gonna come and ask you, cause maybe I was a little embarrassed. You know, about how dire my situation was. So if you're a leader, just know, just like kids who are going through buds, they're gonna hide their injuries. Right? Because, you know, I don't wanna come to the guy who I respect and say, hey, I am flat out right now, bro.


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[Assistant] You know, so, I'm just gonna keep digging. And I know we've talked about it, you're like, man, why didn't you come to me? I don't, you know what? It wasn't in my nature to do so.


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[Assistant] Maybe that wasn't the best decision, maybe I should have reached out, but uhm, either way I wasn't gonna quit.


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[Assistant] They're good boys, man. The next generation of warriors. That's one of the things I've become passionate about. I'll tell you, you know, when you get out and you transition,


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[Assistant] It's hard because you leave this brotherhood, you leave this common set, this common goal. And you know, you're fighting for freedom, you're fighting for liberty, and you're fighting for your brother and your sister, your right and left. And then you get into some job where you're sitting at a desk.


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[Assistant] I'm typing on a computer, which is boring. Uhm, so you have to, look, here's the deal. You have to find a purpose behind what you're doing.


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[Assistant] And mortgages, like seriously, jumping out of planes, blowing things up, shooting guns, diving, rebreather, all high as up to doing 30 year fixed mortgages. I mean, waw, waw. I mean, how do you, how do you get excited about that?


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[Assistant] You don't. You don't get excited about doing that, right? Let me be honest with you. What you get excited about is something else behind it. And for me, it's helping my fellow veterans. So, those of you who don't know, 90% of my business, I do VA loans. Okay, so why? Because I want to help my fellow veterans. Nobody will take care of a veteran better than I will. And that's, that's, that's my mantra, right? If, if, if a guy goes down the street, he will not be taken care of.


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[Assistant] And that's how I get passionate about the job that I do now. I find a purpose behind what I'm doing. And so you might be in some job now that you're out, and you might be like, God, this


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[Assistant] Sucks, you know, but find a reason behind it. It could be a small thing, right? Like there were jobs in the military that sucked. There were jobs. There's parts of every job that sucks.


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[Assistant] You just gotta deal with it. That's life. And find a purpose behind what you're doing. And then, and then I will just tell you, this is a, this is like one of these secrets of life that I have found. Life is easier when you find a way to help somebody else. When you find a way to help somebody else, miraculously, your problems begin to go away.


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[Assistant] So, focus on somebody else's problems and how you can help them and all of a sudden you forget about yours.


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[Assistant] And so, find a way to help other veterans. I see guys, I see veterans today who are...


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[Assistant] Who have been blown up and lost limbs and have been in similar difficult situations. And they are making, they're doing fantastic because they've started organizations or leading organizations or deeply involved in organizations that are helping fellow veterans.


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[Assistant] And there it is. It's like this mir- it's like this miracle. You sit out to help somebody else and all of a sudden your problems just seem to melt away. So if you're struggling right now,


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[Assistant] You can reach out to me, Facebook, Twitter, whatever, just share your story, connect, and then find a way to help someone else.


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[Assistant] And do it in a way that you're passionate about, man. I mean, I'm passionate about raising my two boys into the next generation of warriors. I'm passionate about...


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[Assistant] I mean first, look around at the spineless cowards that society is raising today.


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[Assistant] Who is raising the next generation of warriors to keep America the greatest country on the planet? This generation that says that everybody gets a trophy. That you get a freaking graduation certificate when you graduate from first grade. That's bullshit. Alright?


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[Assistant] That's right. You get something when you earn something. And so raising my boys into hard young men to become gentlemen, strong warriors, men of character who will, who will have a spine and stand for something. That's what we need to do.


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[Assistant] And those of you guys who have been to combat, served in our military, you know how to do that.


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[Assistant] If you don't have kids, find a way to get involved in a local high school. Maybe a local middle school. Instead, be a role model and set an example for some young boys to be the next generation of badass American warriors who will stand for and protect this country and protect liberty. That's something to get pretty excited about. I get passionate about that.


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[Assistant] They find out, you know, but it's hard too, right, because in the SEAL teams we have


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[Assistant] We have a quiet professionalism. And so one of the things that I've struggled with is, you know,


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[Assistant] Look, I'm, I'm certainly proud of my service, but I don't want to use my service and my background in the SEAL teams as a way to advertise. And there, I mean, there are douchebags in the mortgage business who prey on military, dude. And, and they've got some great fancy marketing, but their hearts not in the right place. So,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's uhm, and that's how I'd prefer it. I mean, I'd rather be- Oh, them not knowing. Yeah, I'd rather be in the shadow. I mean, cause look, here's the deal. None of us do this for accolade. None of us do this for the look at me. And the guys who advertise it, like Jock was saying, they're suspect cause they probably didn't really do it, you know? Uhm, but I'd say probably one of the best compliments I probably ever got.


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[Assistant] Was, I heard about a conversation that happened when I wasn't there.


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[Assistant] And this guy was like, hey yeah, did you know that guy's a Navy SEAL? And the other person said,


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[Assistant] I would say more often than not, if we were out as a platoon, guys would actually want to start a fight with a guy that looks like Jaco because they're looking to like, test themselves. Whereas like guys, I mean that would be a massive miscalculation. Like, really end of life event, extinction life event kind of decision.


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[Assistant] Great example of leadership, right? Like, that's what you, that's what you, that was one point, is you focused on what was the capability of the person on your team, not what they look like, and some guys can do that, right? They can, they can go, well, you know, this or that, but you were like, hell no, I mean, this guy, he puts out, he can get the job done, he's leading, so.


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[Assistant] Thank you, I appreciate that. Very handsome, yes. Yeah, I'd rather remain stealth, you know, and use that to my advantage, you know, uhm, and kind of remain thought as the underdog, you know. You won't see me coming. My, remember we were hanging out at your house, Jaco, and Tristan said, he goes,


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[Assistant] Who would win in a fight, you or Jaco? And I was like, thanks buddy. Right in front of Jaco. And I was like, I'm gonna smash you later. And I go, well, I'm not stupid enough to start a fight with Jaco. I will wait till he's asleep. Then I will.


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[Assistant] I gotta say, I like the krill oil. I use the krill. And I'm on the, um, I like the, uh, the shroom tech. Shroom tech. Getting you through the workouts. You got the shroom tech on, huh?


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[Assistant] The Andrew M Paul. The Andrew M Paul.


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[Assistant] Yeah man, she's like Horace where it's just, there's a lot of times where it's just you and him in the fighting situation. It's just you and him, it's like dang you go through so much together, ups, downs, and then.


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[Assistant] Yeah, is that, is that because they got, when you say bribe, like they got kind of enticed with civil


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[Assistant] Like, remember the, the one, I think it was, I think it was Milai, where we're talking about the slippery slope, and kinda one thing leads to another, where if you kinda look at the end result, you're like, no way, I would never do that, I would never be in that situation.


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[Assistant] It starts like with one little thing, you know, so from one step to the, to the next step or for one little step where you slide or on the slippery slope. It's like, that's easy, you know, where it's like, all right, one guy gets mad. He slaps this guy.


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[Assistant] Or even, I mean it goes really with anything with a slippery slope. Anything. Like cheating on your diet. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like this, I mean this is more like the slippery slope situation, but not war, nothing like that, but you know how like, I don't know, financial guys, right?


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[Assistant] They'll be like, hey, I'm going to do, I don't know, investments, you know, you hear about this where they'll be like, okay, I'm going to collect this money from my clients and then I'm going to invest it, right? And then.


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[Assistant] Yeah, see that, and that's the thing, that's the slippery slope, where when you start, even before you like, start to slip or whatever, when you start, you think of, okay, where I am right now, and going to prison for the Ponzi's.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, uhm, I had read about like the slippery slope situation, but, and really it's like two perspectives. One is like when you're in the mix and the next step or down the slippery slope is always totally understandable. No one's gonna run, you know, sound the alarm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that, and that, that's, that's ego.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but the two perspectives is kind of the, the uhm, the thing where when you're in the mix, that one step is like, that's hard to see in a matter of speaking. It's hard to see. Because you're like, ehh, why should I, you know, this guy came in,


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[Assistant] 30 seconds late. So what I mean to reprimand him in front of everyone. Come on. You know, like really, you know, so no one's, you know, that's, that's easy to understand.


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[Assistant] Every last employee never coming in on time. You're like, no way. Impossible. No way. When I started this company, no way I would ever let that happen. But here's the thing. It will happen with that, you know, because of that, because each little step is hard to see. You can't see it.


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[Assistant] That's why it's like, this is the rule and straight up. So, you know, sticklers of, you know, people like when they're sticklers of the rules. It's kind of like, I guess maybe like socially the norm is like, eh, he's a stickler, he's a tightwad, whatever, you know, but I will say this though.


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[Assistant] So what you, like, what's the, what's the formula? It's like, oh, it's some significant thing that this guy did and we'll just call him that.


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[Assistant] No, that's her Native American name. But, but in the warrior culture, it's way cooler. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Supporting this podcast, support yourself. That's, I think that, cause if you're incapable, how, or, you know, if you're not capable of supporting yourself, how can you support podcasts? Or how can you support others, right? So, with that, yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's a good- well, in a way, I- and there were some good points that they brought up, because uhm, oh, I forget who said it, but they were like, there's some nuggets in there.


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[Assistant] So if it's like, oh, whatever, the internet stuff, I'll just skip that part. You can skip it and it'll tell you where to skip to.


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[Assistant] That's why I put, um, you know, the timestamp for all the subjects because, you know, yeah.


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[Assistant] Look, I like to assume that every 100% of the people, everybody, 10 out of 10.


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[Assistant] And they like every single subject and they like, I would, I like to think that. But in the event of that not being the case, I don't want them to be all this while I got to sit through, um, echo talking about, you know, Amazon click throughs and on it, you know, so they have the option. I think that's important.


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[Assistant] We're all here, we're working together, I feel like we're all in this together, you know? We don't need the one guy being, hey, I have a different opinion than you, I have that right, and now I gotta sit through the stuff that you guys like. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] So and to do that, you know, of course, like I said, you support yourself supplementation if you're into it. And here's the thing where I didn't think that like krill oil was supplementation. Here's the thing. It is.


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[Assistant] I'm on the krill oil and it's, and I've reaped its benefits. And, um, my, my wife's dad was talking about krill oil from, oh, fish oil. No, not fish oil. Fish oil is good. Don't get it wrong. It's outstanding. Fish oil is okay. You know what's better? Krill oil. This is what he would say all the time. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's kind of, you know, one of these health like guys.


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[Assistant] One might think, oh yeah, of course, I'm not gonna go get the cheap stuff, like what, but here's the thing, and so with supplements, like there is cheap stuff. There's like stuff that straight up doesn't work. Like you might as well be taking like chalk condensed into pill. It's true. Absolutely true. Chalk, you said? Yeah. Okay. Don't do that.


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[Assistant] You know, I take your point fully. But back to the krill oil. It's good. Anyway, uh, the krill oil, worry bars, uh, uh, shroom tech for performance. You know, if you, if you want the edge, that sounds like kind of commercially, but, but for real, if you want the edge, if you want to get the edge,


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[Assistant] Also, cool way, good way, legit way, doesn't cost you anything. Way to support this podcast, reinforce this podcast, and be in the game.


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[Assistant] So, you know, like, you know, like people will go to like a motivational seminar or something, you know, like this, or, or, or listen to a motivational speech.