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[Assistant] Getting IED'd and blown up and destroyed and catching on fire, it doesn't give you the confidence that you might think you would have in a Bradley. I would have chosen 100 times out of 100 to be on my feet instead of in a Bradley.


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[Assistant] Love the Bradley's, I appreciate them. And God bless them. But my personal feeling?


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[Assistant] Tentative summary of what is known. Everyone in a survival situation may expect to experience some fear. Some will experience normal fear with well controlled rational behavior. Some may have disabling fears. Good leadership and training will modify all fears. It's very important to remember. Good leadership and training will modify all fears.


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[Assistant] What downed crew members say about fear, reactions to fear. The air crew members interviewed who had been downed said that they experienced some or all of the previously listed symptoms. The in-flight emergency and bailout were the most, for most survivors, intense experiences.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wasn't gonna read this, but I'm gonna read it. I was, this is a quote. So again, this book is based on just interviews with a lot of people, and this is World War II and Korea, so they've got fresh


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[Assistant] Memories. This guy says I was stretched out against the bulkhead and scared as hell. The bulkhead was the wall of the plane. I don't remember doing anything until I had fired a hundred rounds. Then I looked at my own body for holes. Even though the Japs had not fired, I made three attempts to jump.


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[Assistant] Some describe the fear reactions of fellow crew members as panic, which proved fatal. Quote, the copilot blew up when the plane was hit. He hit the panic button and didn't bail out.


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[Assistant] This was just the opposite of what you would have expected. I had thought he would have been the, I would have thought I would have been the one to blow up, but I was unnaturally calm. I did begin to shake when I finally hit the ground. So dude's just so horrified that they just don't get out of the plane.


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[Assistant] Recognizing and facing fear. Fairly common, especially among those captured, is an attempt to suppress from conscious awareness the reality of danger or inability to accept the reality of the situation.


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[Assistant] It finally dawned on me that I, that it couldn't be done. I then got out of my escape kit.


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[Assistant] It took me quite a while to reconcile myself. I decided to take the line of least resistance afterwards. I was aware of evading, although somewhat vaguely. So just not accepting the reality of the situation that you're in.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna fast forward a little bit to a section called releasing tension. Many said that they experienced tremendous relief from tension or fear when they escaped from the aircraft, hit the ground, or some said even when captured by the enemy. That's not good.


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[Assistant] If you're totally unprepared and you're totally uncomfortable and you're out there and you're scared, you could see where once you get captured you feel like an amount of relief if you're in the wrong mindset.


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[Assistant] You might even not try to as hard as you should to evade capture. Cause you're waiting to get caught.


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[Assistant] Yea, often times people prefer known rather than unknown. Yea. Even when the known is like being a prisoner of war. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] There's an important section. Things you can do to help reduce or kill fear are keep busy.


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[Assistant] Keep busy with your job, plan bailout and escape procedures, keep the crew briefed about the latest developments.


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[Assistant] Next one, quote, I was so, I was miserably cold in my hiding place so I began doing push-ups to increase my circulation. And it's crazy, World War II in Korea, you've got people that were shot down over the ocean, people that were shot down over the jungle.


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[Assistant] Many activities such as the last two not only release tension but also serve to fulfill other survival needs get into a relatively safe place to think things over.


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[Assistant] Getting out of my shoot harness, I ran to the nearest ditch about 30 yards away and lay down to think things out.


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[Assistant] A lot of these, same with the last podcast we did, these moments where you take a second


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[Assistant] Get yourself to a position where you can, as we say in the shield teams, take a freaking wrap off, take a wrap off, and assess what's happening.


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[Assistant] And this is what I was talking about earlier. The psychological set, they just call it set for survival. To me, I think what they're talking about is mindset. Be mentally prepared.


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[Assistant] Having a psychological or mental set for survival or hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst seems to reduce fear and increase survival chances. Having a mental set for an experience affects your reactions and hence your success in evading and escaping.


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[Assistant] So again, having the mindset that like, if this happens, I'm gonna be ready for it. What am I gonna do? Walk through that a couple times mentally, hopefully physically. Hopefully you can run through the, you know, when you're parachuting.


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[Assistant] You kind of constantly just kind of go through the motions of what your cutaway procedures are. Like I'm doing, I'm talking, you can't see if you're listening. But if you're watching, I just instinctively started kind of like thinking through the wave off and thinking through the protocols that you do. But you do that a bunch of times. You do that over and over again.


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[Assistant] You just go through the motions of doing it and that helps you be set if an emergency occurs.


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[Assistant] Going on here, one airman says quote, I always tried to remember all the information I would need if something happened. You may never need it, but suddenly something may happen so that you have to use it.


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[Assistant] In an emergency, this crew member recalled clearly without panic or confusion all the pertinent information. He behaved almost as if he had rehearsed the situation and actually salvaged his crew when the designated leader failed to carry out his duties. You know, it's wild as I've been reading this book and we'll get more into it, but


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[Assistant] You think you don't think about this, but these bombers, when they're getting shot down, it takes time.


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[Assistant] Like they're up there at 30,000 feet, they get shot, they lose an engine, they lose a wing, now they're gonna crash.


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[Assistant] It takes time. So there's a bunch of things in here where they're talking through


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[Assistant] How they're gonna bail out, they're bailing out their wounded friends, they're grabbing people, like getting them patched up, getting them in their parachutes so they can go, like, you don't think of that amount of time.


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[Assistant] That's, you think, oh, it just blows up and you're dead, right? You don't think of, oh, we're descending from 30,000 feet on, you probably have a few minutes. You probably have two, three, four minutes.


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[Assistant] To bail out, maybe even more. I mean from 30,000 feet in a free fall, you got like 3 minutes. That's going down at 120 miles an hour.


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[Assistant] If you're in a glide slope, you might even have 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 minutes.


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[Assistant] 15 minutes. Maybe not 15, that might be getting extreme, but, but you have a lot of time to think about what's going on. I've never really considered that before. And yea, it's pretty wild.


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[Assistant] One of my, I guess it would be my great uncle, was, was shot down in World War II. And ten crew members, five of them were killed, five of them were captured.


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[Assistant] He was captured and made it back to America. Pretty, pretty amazing, but I never thought about the-


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[Assistant] Seven minutes of plummeting on fire towards the earth and what the hell is going through your mind as that's going down?


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[Assistant] Uh, continuing on, another crew member had no mental set for an emergency. He was an emotion- he was emotionally


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[Assistant] Prepared for a rest camp after the mission and not for an emergency on the mission.


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[Assistant] He continued with this shock type behavior on the ground and was captured, although he now believes he had a good chance to evade and escape. He says he now tries to get set for any situation in order to avoid such shock and panic again. That's what I was talking about earlier. This idea, if you're going into a situation, if you take just a tiny amount of time to think through


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[Assistant] The contingencies and what could happen and how you're going to behave. If you do that, it's going to help you so much. If you walk into a restaurant and you think to yourself, you know what?


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[Assistant] Ten times better than if you wait until an active shooter walks in there and starts pulling the trigger.


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[Assistant] You going through those little exercises in your mind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like you just. It also doesn't seem real good. It didn't seem good, right? Like there's a fire and you want me to line up and count people and then walk orderly down the hall. I'm going out the window, bro.


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[Assistant] This is 100% right. That's exactly why they do it. Yeaah. Exactly why they do it. Is because if you rehearse it once or twice, you're gonna be 10 times better.


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[Assistant] Then if you just try and do it for the first time under duress.


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[Assistant] Under duress. So yes, rehearsals. We used to say in the SEAL teams, when we're getting ready for a mission, the goal was one third planning, one third gear prep, one third rehearsal. Now we didn't achieve that very often.


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[Assistant] That's the goal. Is that we're gonna rehearse this a bunch of times. And you do that rehearsal, it's gonna pay off. It's gonna pay the dividends.


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[Assistant] Continuing on, one sign of mental set is to equip yourself physically for a possible emergency. One man prepared a personal escape kit in addition to the one he had been issued. He sewed straps on his GI shoes in order to safeguard them. He spent five months successfully surviving and evading.


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[Assistant] Another took no precautions. He assumed that if I were knocked down, I would be killed and survival would be useless.


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[Assistant] He was slow to accept the emergency, not realizing immediately that he had crashed. He felt panically and yelled, get me out of here! He made a little attempt to escape and was soon captured.


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[Assistant] Training helps. Many survivors frequently mention that training gave them confidence, especially training in parachute ditching procedures. In general, the evidence is adequate training equals order and a high survival rate. Inadequate training equals confusion and a low survival rate. That's another thing, uh, you play chess a lot. Yeah. What's your call sign?


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[Assistant] So, I know you're getting a lot of challenge matches. Yes. But as you get better, you're starting to see patterns on the board, right? Yea, big time. And you can go, oh, I see this pattern, therefore I can do this. Yea, yea. So part of what training is, is pattern recognition. Yea. And knowing, oh, I've done this before. So now,


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[Assistant] Let's say you've rehearsed getting out of your parachute ten times.


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[Assistant] Now when you're actually getting out of the parachute, it gets hung up on a piece of your gear.


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[Assistant] You don't have to worry about the nine protocols that you've been through, that you've rehearsed, cause you just do those naturally. Only thing you need to focus on that one little area that's hung up so you can get out.


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[Assistant] These chunks of information, I think they actually use that word in chess as well, like the board is in chunks and they see different chunks of the pieces and the way they're put together. So,


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[Assistant] You can do that with anything. When you do an armlock in jiu jitsu,


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[Assistant] There's ten things, let's say, you gotta do right to get the armlock right. If you've done it a bunch of times, and there's a variable, you don't need to worry about nine things, you only need to worry about that one variable and correcting that one thing.


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[Assistant] So that's why we want to train. That's exactly why we want to train. I had a weird shot in archery this year. Hunting. I was...


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[Assistant] I was like leaning over really far and I was leaning on a, on a, on my photographer and like he was shooting and hit Caleb like I'm, I'm basically almost laying on him.


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[Assistant] And my form was not normal. It was, and that's the thing about archery is you want


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[Assistant] Basically the geometry of your body and of your shot to be the same every single time.


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[Assistant] Yes, the whole purpose of training is so that the geometry of that all comes together. Well, I was not even close to my normal geometry. Not even close. It was never been so out of position. I've never even


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[Assistant] You know, you'll practice being in weird positions. I hadn't practiced a position this weird.


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[Assistant] And I was totally out of position, but like the few critical things that you have to do, the sight, the grip, like those few critical things, that's what I focused on and made the shot. But,


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[Assistant] If I had to have been thinking about more than those things, man, it would have been a disaster. I actually wouldn't have even taken the shot.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I'm like basically my buddy Caleb, I'm like laying on him, he's scooting back trying to get out of my way, and I just did the, the little components that you drill over and over again, and I'm not even thinking about them, I'm just doing them.


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[Assistant] My brain is turned off, I'm, I'm executing the protocol of the shot.


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[Assistant] His show 100%. He was. And he was also, you know, we were laughing about it later.


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[Assistant] So not only did he get the video, he didn't foul up my shot. He got it all dialed all steady. I've hunted with him a bunch before and so we've been around each other a lot, but not enough to be like,


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[Assistant] To know exactly what to do. He's very experienced at hunt photography and video. So I was lucky in that respect. A guy that was not in, that didn't have that experience, bro, if that person didn't have that kind of experience that he has,


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think I honestly think well for for a hunt photographer their priority is to Make sure you get your shot, right? They're not gonna they're not gonna mess that up. Yeah. Yeah for sure But the fact that he was able to get it without interfering


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[Assistant] Yeah, and there's actually video from the other angle too. And that was interesting because I never, you don't really see yourself in like pressure situations. You don't cancer, but I saw myself and I look like I'm gonna brush my teeth. Like I look just


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[Assistant] I was laughing with Leif, I was like, chill with Leif in the video, and it just looks like, uhm.


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[Assistant] Back to the point here, training, the protocols, you will have less to think about if you've trained properly.


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[Assistant] Didn't have to think about anything. I'm just executing the protocol. That's what you want to do. And that way when there is a disruption,


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[Assistant] You can focus on that and you don't have to worry about all the other things that you're doing naturally because you've trained well.


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[Assistant] Uh, back to the book. Men who had no parachute training described many kinds of panic behavior that resulted in injury capture or death. Some said even a few simple escape rules gave them confidence. Apparently adequate training enables the individual to avoid being surprised and to establish defenses against danger. That is to take immediate measures to counteract the danger.


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[Assistant] You're at altitude, but you're at an altitude that you know you can't make it back to base.


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[Assistant] So at the time we were, our altitude was such that we could not return. Instructions for ditching were given for which we had been adequately briefed many times. The entire crew assumed ditching stations and calmly awaited contact.


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[Assistant] As soon as we hit the water, so they were taking this thing into the ocean. As soon as we hit the water, ditching operations were immediately put into effect. Within 35 seconds, all crew members had left the ship. The ship then broke in half and sank within two minutes. And by ship, he means aircraft. I've done something called a helo dunk.


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[Assistant] You get into a helicopter like the body of a helicopter and it goes in the water and flips upside down and then you gotta get your way out and then you do it blacked out so you put on a mask on where you can't see anything.


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[Assistant] So you go through both those things because it can be really hard, you get disoriented. Now for guys that are seals, like I was there with my sealable tune.


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[Assistant] We, it's pretty easy for us, but if you're not used to, if you're not used to the water, bro, you get put upside down, you get flipped around, and there's like jolting.


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[Assistant] But that's why they do it. That's why they do it. They're training you so you're


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[Assistant] The training to go in the backseat of a jet. And you had to pull the ejection handle.


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[Assistant] Like an ejection, like a pilot chair, and you gotta go through the protocol to eject, and then it like shoots you up. It's like a carnival ride type track. You just go up, you pull the thing, you pull the lever and you go.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like a ride. No, no, no, it's just more like a ride. So is the Helodunker. I mean, if you're good in the water, the Helodunker is kind of a fun ride.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, you, you, I forget what it was, but you know, you like find.


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[Assistant] A crease or something and you fall the crease to a window or like as you're gonna impact you put your hand on something so you know where you're at. That's what it is. That's one of the techniques. I forget them all but as you're


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[Assistant] Impacting, you grab something so you maintain your, your sense of location.


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[Assistant] When you're blacked out, like you grab the seat.


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[Assistant] And I think the other thing is you've got to, if the car, you gotta let, if you can't get down the windows, you gotta let the car fill up with water so that it equalizes the pressure so you can't open the door.


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[Assistant] It's like, oh, okay. Just, if you did that one, if you talked through that one time, it'd help you a lot. If you rehearse it with your kids, everyone's living. If you don't rehearse it, you got issues.


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[Assistant] Inadequate training. Here's a quote. On a bombing run over France after hitting the primary target, we were severely hit by flak. I was scared and it just got a, uh, like a bleep.


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[Assistant] A written bleep, it just says a space. So the guy probably said I was scared shitless.


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[Assistant] That's the only way I can describe it. Our bailout was very disorderly. It was just a madhouse. Due to the lack of adequate bailout procedures, there was no orderly conduct at all. We had to kick some of our guys out. I pushed the radio operator out, but his chute didn't open. My mind opened just in time. So this is if you haven't rehearsed, it's mayhem.


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[Assistant] Other good, other ways to minimize fear, fear, good morale. Some name good morale as the important fear killer. Others mention self-confidence or psychological preparation as important. Here's one quote, if you keep your morale up, your brain works better. When your morale is down, everything looks bleak and you feel afraid. Another quote, the most important thing


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[Assistant] Is to have a well trained crew, good cor- good crew coordination, and the proper mental attitude. Try to get a crew in a state of mind where no man bitches about what should have been done or what mistakes had been made, but rather all concentrate on what they can do now.


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[Assistant] So apparently shhh, scared shitless wasn't a bad word. Or was a bad word, but you can say, bitches. No bitching. Another one.


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[Assistant] Like the other 11,000 prisoners of war where I was, I was not psychologically prepared. They lacked confidence and gave themselves up with literally no attempt to evade or survive. I know some men who just sat down by the side of the road and waited for somebody to capture them.


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[Assistant] The presence or absence of normal leadership does much to increase or decrease fear. Good leadership.


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[Assistant] quote, we decided to fly as far as possible toward home base and to bail out as soon as we got below 1800 feet. Geez, that's low dude with a parachute. Especially if you don't have any familiarity with parachuting.


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[Assistant] Keep as much altitude as possible. We jettisoned lots of equipment, including a waste gun and ammunition. We even considered throwing out the ball turret. Everyone was calm during this maneuver. Can you imagine you're getting ready to crash your throw and stuff off your airplane? Everyone was calm during this maneuver. Our position was radio to everyone every five minutes.


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[Assistant] So this is a long, like I was talking 15 minutes, yeaah. We're talking 15, maybe even longer. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] The pilot cut the switches before the bailout. The engineer and I rigged up a static line to drop the wounded bombardier out.


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[Assistant] We had many bailout drills and the aircraft commander was sharp on emergency procedures.


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[Assistant] We talked things over in the crippled plane and made plans. We had decided to walk back toward the plane to pick up all crew members. We worked out even to use the use of water and food. Even though there's little hope of getting out alive, everyone felt that what we were doing was the best thing that could be done.


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[Assistant] I wish they had GoPro cameras that were on that aircraft as dudes they're gonna crash into enemy territory and they're just coming up with plans, helping their wounded guys, radioing positions. Freaking impressive. All members of this crew, including the crippled bombardier,


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[Assistant] Evaded successfully for several days and survived.


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[Assistant] System in the area for stalls for your downed airmen are more confident when rescue or recovery squadron operates an area that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Survey the situation. Fear can at times be quieted by simply, by a simple survey of the situation. Many found it helpful to take cover and to observe what was going on before taking action. Failure to do this resulted in what was probably avoidable capture in a number of cases. The enemy is scared too.


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[Assistant] The thought that the enemy is as scared as you are and faces similar problems enables some to continue against considerable odds. That's, that's, you know when we were talking earlier about


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[Assistant] Several said religious practices, especially prayer and reading the Bible calmed them down. Quote, I never pushed the panic button even when I came down. I'm a Catholic and you may think I'm a religious fanatic. The Sunday before this mission I'd gone to mass and communion.


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[Assistant] I was in a state of grace. I was not alone up there. Religion and God are no longer beliefs to me. I know. He was with me for four months."


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[Assistant] And then we get to a section that's very important. Caring for those who crack.


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[Assistant] When fear becomes too great for a crew member, he introduces additional hazards for the whole crew. Since fear can become contagious, others also may be affected beyond their control.


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[Assistant] He folded purely from fear. He cried with fear. We kept him concealed as much as we could so that he wouldn't influence the other men or the natives. I kept telling- I kept him with me all the time and he did everything he was told.


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[Assistant] The other gunner was screaming that he was dying. The co-pilot temporarily lost his head and started swimming away from the sinking ship but returned to where the rest of us were.


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[Assistant] The rest of the group, the rest of the crew escaped. The man was left behind, was captured, treated, and eventually returned in good health. In another case, two crew members who became hysterical had to be tied up and placed in the front compartment of the boat, of a boat that had been dropped to the crew.


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[Assistant] Drastic means we're taken at times to get a crew member to come along and to bring him through the experience. Quote, the bombardier wanted to quit one night, but I drew my gun on him and told him I would shoot him rather than leave him behind. He said later that he thought I meant it, so he got up and came along.


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[Assistant] Now we get into a good, important section. What can be done about fear?


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[Assistant] These stories and the inferences to be drawn from them suggest a number of means for controlling fear. Above all, they emphasize that combat crew members


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[Assistant] Need not be helpless victims of their fear.


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[Assistant] So there you go, you don't need to be a victim of your fear. Sometimes, only the crew members.


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[Assistant] Can do for himself. Or sorry, some things only the crew members can do for himself. Other things the Air Force must provide in order to give the crew member the mental and physical tools with which to handle his fears. And here's a whole section.


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[Assistant] What you can do about fear. Do not run from fear. Understand fear. Learn to recognize fear. Learn what your reactions to fear are likely to be. Admit and accept fear. During training, face as many fears as you can. When you do, many of your fears will vanish.


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[Assistant] Learn how to plan and to act purposefully even when you're afraid. And if you think about military training, if you think about SEAL training, and the things that you do, jumping out of an airplane.


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[Assistant] Climbing over the cargo net. I didn't think too much about climbing over the cargo net. I was down at the teams the other day. It's 50 feet tall. Like it's tall.


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[Assistant] If you're not, if you're afraid of heights, it's going to be a problem and you're going to have to get used to it or you're not going to graduate.


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[Assistant] So that's like one of those things where you're just gonna get exposure therapy to heights. Going, this is another thing I never really thought too much about. Some people are really scared of the ocean at night. Like they're really scared of it.


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[Assistant] Do you spend so much time in the water at night? I think I was too young to process fear. Oh, for a lot of the stuff. I was just like young and just...


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[Assistant] You jump out of the airplane. You jump out of the helicopter. You go free fall. You have your oxygen taken away from you at night. Like all those things that you're doing, my point in saying this is,


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[Assistant] If you go through SEAL training, there's going to be something that scares you.


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[Assistant] And what you learn how to do is you learn how to go anyways. So there is a method to the madness of making you do all these things where you're gonna, some of them are gonna scare you. It's very normal to not like heights, that's a human instinct. It's very normal to be afraid of


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[Assistant] Very dark, large areas where there's monsters. It's, it's normal. So you're going to have to overcome those fears over and over again. It's, it's very normal to be fear.


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[Assistant] Feared of or afraid of bullets bringing to live fire where people are shooting right next to you So all these fears that you have you're gonna learn how to take fear


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[Assistant] It's gonna be a fear that you haven't had yet, but you're gonna go through those protocols, whatever they were, to get through that situation and perform.


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[Assistant] Uh, develop confidence in yourself. Use your training opportunities wisely. Maximize your capabilities by keeping physically and mentally fit, knowing your equipment and how to use it, learning how to survive, evade and escape. Know what you can and cannot do so that you can make wise choices.


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[Assistant] This is what a, what a lot of, you know, Fieldcraft Survival, they're doing those courses. You're gonna go through them, these basic protocols.


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[Assistant] Mike Glover, he's gonna talk to you about, oh, what if your vehicle does break down? What if you do slide off the road? What if someone does approach you in this dark alley? What are you gonna do? You're gonna think through it. You're gonna have the set for it.


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[Assistant] And you're going to have equipment that you're going to learn how to use. You're going to learn how to use a tourniquet.


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[Assistant] The first time you use a tourniquet, you don't want it to be when you gotta put a tourniquet on yourself or someone else for real.


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[Assistant] Cause there's gonna be other things that are going through your head. That's why, that's why we are being prepared.


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[Assistant] Same thing with uh, Tim Kennedy's sheepdog response. That's more like, hey, what are you gonna do when you are in a conflict of some kind? In a confrontation of some kind. Whether it's an active shooter, whether it's someone trying to grab you. So both those two schools


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[Assistant] Are gonna give you the preparation that you need to handle certain scenarios.


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[Assistant] Be properly equipped and clothed. Have a plan. Keep informed. Listen carefully. Combat briefings. Know where you are going and what is going on at all times. That's such a big...


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[Assistant] They just throw it out there. Know where you are and what is going on at all times. They throw that out there. That could actually be the number one thing.


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[Assistant] Know when danger threatens so that you can be prepared if it hits.


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[Assistant] Keep busy, do all you can, prevent hunger, thirst, fatigue, idleness, ignorance about the situation.


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[Assistant] Since these increase fear. Know your fellow crew members under stress. Learn to work with them in emergencies. Learn to live with them under stress. Learn to plan with them. Practice your religion. Don't be ashamed of having spirit, spiritual faith. Remember that the enemy may be as scared as you. Always remember that your ultimate goal is to get back alive. And then it talks about the training.


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[Assistant] That you're going through and it uses a good term. The survival school and unit level training programs offer the combat crew member gradual supervised experiences with survival evasion escape problems to afford what may be described as, quote, battle inoculation. That's what I was talking about earlier. You're gonna get inoculated if you're, when you go through basic SEAL training,


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[Assistant] And you go through Hell Week, there's freaking explosions going off, there's machine guns going off, it's mayhem. You can't see, you can't hear. You're getting, you're getting stress inoculation.


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[Assistant] Cause guess what happens in combat? There's machine guns going off, there's explosives going off, you can't see, you can't hear, there's smoke, there's chaos. You get inoculated to it.


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[Assistant] For sure. Yeaah, it's freaking loud. Yeaah. And they have not just, they have like 50 caliber machine guns too, which are really loud. Extra loud. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And then there are freaking tossing grenade sims and flash crashes like, it's a cacophony.


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[Assistant] Of noise. Yeaah. That does simulate combat very well.


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[Assistant] They're gonna inoculate you to it.


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[Assistant] Followed by, quote, booster shop. So it's battle inoculation followed by, quote, booster shop. So they're gonna keep you stimulated, you know, and in the SEAL teams you're gonna go through workup, you're gonna...


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[Assistant] Lower level stress. Now you're gonna start to get the stress of making decisions. Looking around. Trying to figure out what's happening. Simplifying what's going on. Making decisions and passing the word to people. So you've gotta be able to handle the lower level stress from the situation and start to now handle the stress from the leadership scenario that you're in. And all that works.


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[Assistant] The knowledge of the principles of map reading, route finding, ground navigation, camouflage, concealment, like all these things are good to know and understand. Knowledge of the basic survival essentials. That's what we gotta do. Knowledge of how to bail out of the aircraft. Knowledge of his own survival and enemies weapons for survival purposes. Yes, that's smart.


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[Assistant] And it goes on to talk about survival equipment, talk about rescue and recovery procedures, and then it gets into a section of physical fitness and psychological conditioning.


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[Assistant] Physical fitness is a bulwark against fear and despondency, since it enables the crew member to successfully overcome the many physical problems of survival, escape and evasion. It sustains his will to go on. Many units, but still not all.


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[Assistant] Have continuing programs designed to improve the physical condition of every combat crew member to survive, evade, or escape.


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[Assistant] There has been much psychological research at all levels to determine the causes, characteristics, and effects of fear upon survival.


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[Assistant] Mental conditioning seems closely related to physical fitness, knowledge of equipment and competence in survival procedures. I'm gonna say that again. Mental conditioning


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[Assistant] The emotional state of the individual in emergencies has been the active concern of numerous chaplains and many competent farsighted aircraft commanders. Some counsel the individual directly, others work through other crew members and still others emphasize group counseling and group experiences to build up the confidence of all crew members. So that's what we're doing.


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[Assistant] He can best do this by taking advantage of the trading opportunities and knowing himself. So, it's all on you.


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[Assistant] So much good information about fear. And look, fear is not necessarily the chaos of combat. Fear is going to a job interview. Fear is confronting someone that you need to deal with at work.


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[Assistant] Fear is helping your kid overcome the fear of the first day of school. So all the stuff that we just put out, very important. But I want to get to a section here.


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[Assistant] This is where we start talking about leadership and group behavior. It's called group behavior in survival.


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[Assistant] The result is escape, evasion, and survival with minimum hardship and 100% recovery. In another episode, there is indecision. No one assumes leadership.


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[Assistant] Crew members panic and the crew is not kept informed. The result is that two crew members lose their lives to go berserk.


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[Assistant] This is what they're, they're saying in this book, which is based on interviews of people that were like, oh yeah, Fred went freaking berserk.


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[Assistant] And then Mike and Jim were fighting. Like that's what's happening. We're trying to survive as a team.


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[Assistant] Rather, the more difficult and disordered the situation, the greater are the disorganized crews problems.


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[Assistant] So that's important to think because sometimes you think, well, we'll, we'll perform well if, if like something happens. No, it's actually not true. If you don't have a good well-oiled machine of a team, when something bad happens, you freaking fall apart. The tight situation doesn't help you.


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[Assistant] This is particularly true in the face of common danger when fear can result in panic rather than concerted action. And it goes into a bunch of things here. Group morale. High group morale exists when all crew members feel themselves to be part of the crew rather than individuals and are proud to be members of that crew.


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[Assistant] High group morale has many advantages. The individual feels strengthened and protected since he realizes that his survival depends on others whom he trusts.


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[Assistant] And three, can formulate goals to help each other in the face of, and face the future.


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[Assistant] High morale must come from internal cohesiveness and not merely through external pressures. That's very important.


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[Assistant] The spreading of a mood. Under certain conditions, moods and attitudes become wildly contagious. Panic of a crew may be caused by a few exceptionally frightened members, members of false rumors, horror stories, lack of faith in the group, or a badly frightened leader.


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[Assistant] What you're doing is contagious. How you're reacting, your emotions are contagious.


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[Assistant] Fast forward a little bit. The survival leader and the survival companion. So what this is talking about, it says survival companion, it's talking about teammates. So it's talking about leaders now and teammates. And this is, this is just great.


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[Assistant] Great information here. Several studies were made to determine the characteristics causing acceptance or rejection of crew members as survival leaders or companions.


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[Assistant] Some 240 trainees were queried upon completing advanced survival training. The experts


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[Assistant] Instructors, training officers, psychologists and others who have observed some 14,000 trainees during the two week training interval were also queried.


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[Assistant] Results were checked by having crew members select or reject specific individuals and then describe the man chosen or rejected.


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[Assistant] While differing as to the details, the results indicate consistent importance of certain characteristics, many of which are applicable to any type of leadership or any type of companionship.


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[Assistant] You got a bunch of people. You interview a bunch of people. Who did you like as a leader? Who did you like as a teammate? Who did you reject as a leader? Who did you reject as a teammate?


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[Assistant] This is the goods right here. The ideal survival leader.


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[Assistant] According to crew members, the ideal survival leader has the following characteristics. Knows himself and his men. Can hold his crew together.


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[Assistant] This is just you, if you're, you can be, if you're watching, you can see a big smile on my face because these are the things we talk about all the time.


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[Assistant] These are the things we're talking about all the time. Making sure you take care of your troops.


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[Assistant] You look out for their welfare. Make sure you consider what other people have to say.


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[Assistant] Can keep up crew morale under stress. Has crew members respect and confidence.


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[Assistant] Isn't that interesting? If you're gonna be a good leader, you gotta be able to get along with people.


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[Assistant] You can't be a dictator, you can't be an authoritarian, you need to get along with people. Distributes work fairly. Plans and organizes well.


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[Assistant] According to the experts, the ideal survival leader must...


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[Assistant] Recognize and advantageously use individual differences. So people can be a little bit different. And you gotta be able to take advantage of that. Strengths and weaknesses. Oh, Echo's real good at this. I'm gonna have him do that. Echo's not good at this other thing. I'm not gonna make him do that. Be resourceful.


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[Assistant] Have the confidence and respect of his crew. Keep his crew well briefed.


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[Assistant] Those individuals selected as ideal leaders were described as res- described as respected for their superior experience and background.


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[Assistant] Personality and physical adequacy. Mature judgment.


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[Assistant] Ability to achieve results through resourcefulness and understanding utilization of the men.


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[Assistant] So that's what we're looking for. Those are the positive attributes here.


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[Assistant] Uh, unable to maintain control of his crew. And easily discouraged and gives up. That's the poor survival leader.


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[Assistant] Now we get into the teammate, the ideal survival companion.


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[Assistant] In the a- in the abstract, the ideal survival companion or teammate is easy to get along with. Big shocker.


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[Assistant] Skilled and knowing in survival techniques, able and desirous of surviving adversity, able and willing to do his share. One who works for the welfare of the group. Able to prove himself in survival training.


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[Assistant] Get along with other people. Be stable. Like these are the things we talk about all the time. This is from 1954.


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[Assistant] Most highly as survival companions were those who helped others the most, joked the most, and hunted the most. Yea, you gotta have a good attitude. And here's the list of the poor survival companion. Men were rejected because they


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[Assistant] Got on the nerves of others as a result of loudness, boasting, arguing, using profanity.


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[Assistant] Disagreeable personality characteristics. Failure to keep clean.


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[Assistant] Crying type of complaining. Self centeredness. Failure to do their share.


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[Assistant] Personality inadequate, inadequacies and immaturities.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's right. Oh, you're in charge. You're gonna boss everyone around. Boy, that list right there. Let's just remember that list. Loudness, boasting, arguing, using profanity, disagreeable, personal, personality characteristics, failure to keep clean, crying type of complaining.


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[Assistant] Self-centeredness. Failure to do your share.


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[Assistant] Personality, inadequacies and immaturities, physical inadequacies, personal dislikes. That's how I really like that one. It's just annoying.


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[Assistant] Which means we get a little bit of food.


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[Assistant] Oh, we, we have a blanket that we found.


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[Assistant] It's about me. It's not my ego saying like I want to prove to everyone that I can win the blanket. No, no, it's like I want to take care of myself.


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[Assistant] Look, that can be a component of their ego because I want to get promoted because I want to be in charge. But when what I want to do is I want a little bit more food.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but again, what we're dealing with here is like, I'm going to take care of me.


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[Assistant] Now, now I see what you're saying. Yeah, like they're nice people people that they just you ever you ever go and you know, you go to a restaurant or something and the the hostess is whatever walks by you or something or put put you at your table and


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[Assistant] The person you're with just, that hostess does not exist as a human being.


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[Assistant] A coat person, you know, like give them the ticket, they hand the coat, they don't say thanks, they just like grab it and walk away. Those people are, that's, I don't think that's necessarily ego, but they're just so self-centered that you think, dude, can you just be nice to another person that's like helping you out?


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[Assistant] It's real weird if you think about it, to have in your head that what the group that we're with right now, what they really want to hear is about me.


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[Assistant] Someone will talk about a politician, and they'll be like, the politician mentioned, I, me.


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[Assistant] I or me, you know, 39 times in a 3 minute talk. Yea, yea, fully. That, that's, that's what's happening in those situations. Like, maybe there's a little bit of both or whatever, but in their mind, they, what they want everyone to hear about is them.


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[Assistant] You know, you, you are gonna have to, if you're a politician, you're gonna at some point have to say, well,


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is pretty funny. Another study indicated that the most annoying survival habits, mannerisms, and actions were


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[Assistant] Authoritarian behavior of officer personnel, inconsiderateness, playing the star, bossiness,


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[Assistant] Always right attitude. That's a list right there. That is a list right there. You might want to, you might want to note those down.


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[Assistant] Authoritarian behavior of officer personnel, inconsiderate, playing the star, bossiness, and always right attitude. Watch out.


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[Assistant] Uh, aloofness or failure to become integrated into the crew. Lack of cooperation, lack of participation in crew activities, inconsiderateness of others, failure to do their share of the work, superiority attitude.


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[Assistant] You need to tell that one to my kids when they were younger. Bro, this was like a freaking musical at my house with my kids running around. My daughters are freaking just singing, like just singing and all the musicals bro. Ariel and whatever else. Little mermaid. Yeah. Little mermaid. Oh yeah. Uh, all those things bro. It was like,


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[Assistant] Temper outbursts. Making an issue of someone else's mistakes.


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[Assistant] Irritating nonverbal behavior. Borrowing horseplay. Snoring.


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[Assistant] Lack of personal cleanliness, unsanitary practices. These are good stuff. These are universal by the way. But boy, talking about the last war, monotonous monologues about private episodes.


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[Assistant] Uh, you, don't you hate getting caught in those scenarios? Cause they're, they're, the thing is they're private, so they're kind of like personal. And you kick, so it's rude kind of to walk away. I'll be like, look, I don't give a shit about whatever you're about to say.


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[Assistant] Hor, you've told me this freaking sob story a million times.


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[Assistant] So, there you go on that. They're definitely down on swearing. I wonder if this was written today, we probably wouldn't catch all that because they're talking about swearing so much.


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[Assistant] But I think it's just the modern day. But the interesting thing is like,


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[Assistant] People swore all the time back then. Yea, that's what it feels like. It's even in the book that swears made it into this book. Right, like what? They beeped them out, but like, they're in here, so it's interesting that I wonder what level of, maybe it's just like the totally atrocious level of swearing.


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[Assistant] Where you'd feel like this a little bit. Yeah, yeah, fully occasionally that can happen or yeah. Oh, yeah


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[Assistant] Uh, men actually rejected as companions. So these are people just straight up rejected. Not even, not annoying, these are rejected. Griping the most, helping others the least, and seeming to be near the breaking point. Okay, that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Well the last stuff that we read was, uh, things that were annoying.


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[Assistant] The things that I just read were out actually rejected. Like we don't want you.


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[Assistant] You try and suppress it, but that ultimately is an involuntary thing.


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[Assistant] You can definitely control your griping and your complaining, so.


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[Assistant] Rejection. Versus, okay. Like, this guy sucks. He's annoying.


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[Assistant] And poor survival crews. They go into a list of these things. Here are some of the principles for working together that you can practice in survival training and in other situations. If you practice these, you will find that your crew works smoother no matter what the problem is. So what we're talking about is like leadership principles to work together.


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[Assistant] Organization of manpower. The survival of almost any group largely depends upon the organization of its manpower. Organized action where crew members know what to do and when to do it both under ordinary circumstances and during crisis is one specific means of preventing panic. Prioritize next key.


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[Assistant] Supervision. One authority states that survival leadership differs from other leadership mainly in the manner in which it must be maintained. In order to continue his effectiveness in a survival group, a leader must.


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[Assistant] That, that one's interesting because you can imagine someone that is not stepping up and then all of a sudden they step up. You ever seen that in a work environment before where someone's not leading and then all of a sudden they decide to step in and start leading at some point?


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[Assistant] That doesn't work. Yeaah. Cause everyone's been doing their thing and then all of a sudden I roll into like, hey, this is what I wanna do. Right, right, right. Uh, B.


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[Assistant] Salvage the opposition. For instance, this is, I didn't understand what this meant at first. It says salvage the opposition. So here's what it means. For instance, by putting to some useful purpose the human energy which causes conflict.


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[Assistant] So, you've got this energy, freaking Echo's frustrated. Hey Echo, can you help me move this wood to build the fort?


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[Assistant] Salvage the opposition. Take advantage of that situation. Keep somewhat aloof from, but not too high above the group. Dichotomy of leadership.


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[Assistant] The next one is participation in group decision. The advantages of full group participation in a survival situation are obvious. So getting input from the team gets them on board with the plan.


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[Assistant] Acceptance of suggestions and criticism. Many survival stories show how an airman becomes the real group leader. Initiating action which saves the group.


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[Assistant] Although some one person such as the aircraft commander must accept responsibility for the final decision, he still can make good use of other suggestions and criticisms. Isn't that interesting? Listen to what other people say. Accept their criticism. Accept their suggestions.


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[Assistant] Consideration of available time. Hundreds of survival stories indicate that there is a rarely unlimited time in which to make a decision.


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[Assistant] On the spot decisions, which must be acted upon immediately, usually determine survival success. Those who just drift, failing to consider time, are the ones who perish, are captured, or suffer the most.


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[Assistant] Time. This is why in the extreme ownership leadership loop that I wrote about in the new version of leadership strategy and tactics field manual, when I'm making a decision, the first thing that I consider is time. The first thing I consider. And this is exactly why.


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[Assistant] It talks about checking equipment. It talks about understanding the severity of the situation. The necessity for surveying the situation is widely recognized in problem solving. Frequently the things most feared are those involving the unknown, which is what you just talked about earlier. Surveying the situation serves to remove those unknowns and set


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[Assistant] Group ego, or whatever term is used, emerges as highly important in the group's survival.


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[Assistant] The following illustrates how the individual gets support and strength from the group.


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[Assistant] Everyone helped in the preparations. The tail gunner had broken a collarbone, nose and ribs. The wing gunner had broken ribs and was hysterical, but he calmed down when he saw that we were getting out. The co-pilot temporarily lost his head and started swimming away from the ship, but returned when he saw that no one was following him.


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[Assistant] The pilot was very stable. He pulled the tail gunner out. We tried to comfort those who were injured, giving the tail gunner morphine.


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[Assistant] Freaking getting shot down, shot up, shot down, crashing into the freaking ocean, getting recovered, healing up and getting back in the game. Props.


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[Assistant] Talk about the future served to raise morale in some groups. A feeling of unity also improved morale in some cases. Adverse conditions can seriously threaten the group morale, obviously.


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[Assistant] Quote, we are getting discouraged. We smoked a cigarette for breakfast. It was rained until 11 o'clock. So we remained huddled together under a tent talking and somewhat pessimistic.


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[Assistant] We're about out of humor and snapped at one another.


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[Assistant] I shot a squirrel and soon Shorty got another. Our spirits improve but we are still at or near daggers points with one another.


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[Assistant] Just rough conditions. That's why as a leader you gotta pay attention to that. You gotta recognize when you got your team in rough conditions, they're sleep deprived, they're cold, they're hungry, whatever the case may be, you gotta recognize that. You gotta pay attention to that.


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[Assistant] Previously established reaction patterns are important in enabling the group to react quickly. One authority claims that one main purpose of survival training is to afford an opportunity for knowing and understanding the responses individuals and groups need to acquire. Is what we were talking about earlier.


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[Assistant] Going through the drill will make your reaction time so much better and going through the drill as a team will make you understand the way other people are going to react.


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[Assistant] You will find that things go much easier. If you find that your crew is unable to do these things, take stock and find out why. You may say, we may not work very well together now, but we would if we ever got into a tight spot. This is where you are wrong.


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[Assistant] A common danger is not enough to hold a group together. When danger threatens, you may even become competitive rather than cooperative. This is when panic is likely to occur.


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[Assistant] There are four main qualities which hold a crew together under pressure. A liking for one another. Isn't that shocking? One thing that holds a crew together under trying circumstances is a liking for one another.


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[Assistant] There have been stories of downed air crewmen who have refused to escape in order to stay behind and protect a fellow crew member.


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[Assistant] Men crowd together to keep warm. During the parachute descent, they count the other parachutes and try to identify their buddies. It's also an unwritten code that an injured crewman will be bailed out by those who are uninjured.


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[Assistant] You can't expect everything to be rosy under conditions of danger and discomfort. Feelings will be wrong on edge. It will be easier for you to hold together if you already like one another.


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[Assistant] If you find yourselves getting angry with one another, don't just ignore it. Recognize.


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[Assistant] What you are doing and why, then do something positive about it. So, that's one thing that I-


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[Assistant] I noticed that the stress of combat or the stress in stressful business situations, people are going, people will not act the way


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[Assistant] Acting like a jerk, yelling and screaming. I would not hold that against you. I would measure it and be like, okay, well, if Echo gets under stress, he's gonna freak out. Okay, I noted. I'm not gonna hold a personal grudge against you.


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[Assistant] In stressful situations in combat in business, things start going sideways.


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[Assistant] I put it in the calculus of how I'm going to work with them in the future, but I don't hold it against them.


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[Assistant] I realize that they're just, you know, short, on edge, tempers flare, emotional. So keep that in mind. Be the person that deescalates, but don't be the person that holds a grudge.


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[Assistant] If you are thinking about what's going on, and you're a little bit detached from it, you're probably gonna make better decisions than if you're just reactive to the scenario. So they, what'd you say, the dad's abusing, verbally abusing the kid? Like you, like, you gotta think through, what is that, what's happening? You know? And if a guy's playing that out in his head, okay, well, what's the right move right there?


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[Assistant] As a human, it's like, oh, I don't know what's going through the- You got a dad that's publicly verbally abusing a kid? That guy's got issues.


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[Assistant] Right? This isn't normal. This guy's got an issue. What is he? What? Are you gonna make it worse for the kid?


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[Assistant] So there's a lot, we, you can throw that out there like it's real simple and easy, but,


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[Assistant] You've got to detach and really run through, not let your emotions drive it, but what's going on? Can you actually help? Are you going to make things worse? You know, oh, now we've got a physical abuse going on, now we're probably stepping in.


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[Assistant] Abusing a child, we're, we're, we're gonna have issues. We're gonna, we're gonna put a stop to that. The verbal abuse thing, like how will, how far are you willing to go?


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[Assistant] You know, go and report this. You're going to call child services. You can do the follow up calls. Are you going to make it worse for that kid? Are you going to get stabbed?


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[Assistant] So there's a lot of things to consider. And the way that you consider those is by taking a step back and detaching. And look, there's so many nuances in that situation that we couldn't-


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[Assistant] I couldn't say like, well here's what I would do. I would need to be there. I would need to be sitting there. I would need to physically size the whole situation up. Is there a wife there? Is there a mom? What's her reaction? Are there other kids? What are their reactions? There's so many things to consider. But the only way you can truly consider those things in the moment


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[Assistant] Is to be able to detach and take a step back and look around.


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[Assistant] Power. Leadership. A liking for one another is not the only thing needed to hold a crew together in survival. Survivors agree that every survival group should have a leader who will exercise his power of authority. This doesn't mean that he has to be a dictator.


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[Assistant] Somebody has to take lead in accomplishing the things already outlined. Stories of crew survival clearly show that disaster strikes if this power isn't exercised. So somebody's gotta step up and lead.


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[Assistant] Communications. Almost every story of 100% crew survival gives an account of good communications during the in-flight emergency and what follows. Where there is a lack of communication, there is panic and heavy losses. And again, this is talking about a plane, being in a plane, being in a bomber.


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[Assistant] But imagine in your company, imagine your organization, imagine your team. When things start going sideways, you gotta communicate what's happening.


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[Assistant] Because of poor communications, procedures, the men bail out when there's no need to bail out or fail to bail out when there is a necessity.


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[Assistant] Failing to communicate also causes panic. Having someone to talk to helps morale it prevents panic.


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[Assistant] A goal. Having a goal is a fourth factor, which...


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[Assistant] Wanted to quit. The crew knew that this would endanger all of them. The aircraft commander drew his pistol on him and told him that he would shoot him rather than leave him behind. The bombardier got up and came along. The entire crew survived.


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[Assistant] And here's the summary section. Based on the social, psychology, literature about group behavior under stress, interviews, interviews and reports, interviews with and reports about Air Force survivors and continuing study of survival trainees, the following conclusions have been reached.


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[Assistant] Factors which further group survival chances. Skill in organizing activity. Good group morale. Definite goals which serve to improve crew morale.


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[Assistant] Keeping the crew well briefed, which helps achieve organized action.


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[Assistant] Splitting up into smaller subgroups as the occasion demands. Development of interdependencies based on each man's resources. Ability to make quick decisions and act upon them immediately. Proper supervision or leadership.


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[Assistant] Group decisions based on adequate survey of the situation. Effective previously established reaction patterns. It's good training. Good interpersonal crew relations. Yes, good relationships.


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[Assistant] And high prestige personnel such as the aircraft commander taking full advantage of their relative great opportunities to initiate action which may lead to success. And here's some things that decrease.


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[Assistant] Group survival. The absence of any of the foregoing factors. Failure of someone to fulfill the leadership function.


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[Assistant] Panic which often arises from a lack of group organization leading to crew disintegration, lack of inner cohesion as a unit or lack of crew stability, lack of conscious well planned organization and leadership.


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[Assistant] And this is gonna close this section, this day, this book out. We may go back to the book at some point, but for today.


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[Assistant] This is what it means to you. Every crew member can examine his own personality, behavior, and habits in relation to his fellow crew members in order to judge how he can add to the entire crew's potential for safe return. So you as an individual can get better. And you need to examine yourself. And then,


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[Assistant] Every aircraft commander can find hints for measuring and for improving his leadership performance under both normal and emergency conditions. He can use the same material to analyze and improve


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[Assistant] The performance of his whole crew as well as that of each member as an important factor in influencing the crew's survival.


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[Assistant] That the biggest impact on our survival and our lives is how we lead.


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[Assistant] How we train, how we prepare, how we test, how we improve ourselves, how we understand our fears, how we train to control our fears, how we understand what being a leader is, and what being a team member is. Which is interacting with other human beings.


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[Assistant] There you go. That's the psychological aspects of survival. And again, I just saw the folks that gave me this book, they came to the muster.


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[Assistant] So I appreciate you giving me this book. Uh, the woman actually found it in her father's who served in the Air Force or the Army Air Corps. Uhm, found it in his, you know, old, old box of stuff. So, pretty awesome.


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[Assistant] So before the Air Force was formed, they had the Army Air Corps. Yeaah, that's right. And then eventually that became the Air Force.


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[Assistant] Straight up. Right there. It's the real deal. It's the real deal. 1954. Bro, I like these manuals. Yea, sort of like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think that's one of the things that has made the, you know, Echelon front


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[Assistant] In your business, with your team, with your family, with your life. So, when you know that you have to take ownership of a terrible situation in combat, guess what? You also have to take ownership when you make a mistake with your spouse, or you make a mistake with your superior at work, or whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] Know the consequences of not covering and moving in combat?


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[Assistant] Well now when I'm not supporting my operations department.


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[Assistant] At work, I realize there's consequences as well. So the translation, it makes it very obvious what the consequences are in combat, but then you also take those and you apply them to


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[Assistant] A really important thing to rehearse and if you don't rehearse, you die. But guess what? We're going to brief a potential client. We might want to rehearse a couple times just to make sure we're ready for whatever questions I might ask. So yes, you're very astute.


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[Assistant] In your recognition of the fact that after 424 podcasts, the things that we talk about apply to life.


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[Assistant] Bro, there's an unwritten rule at my house. If you're getting food,


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[Assistant] You don't need any communication, you don't need any text, you get food, you bring it home.


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[Assistant] So if I'm gonna swing by and get some friggin'. Chick-fil-A. Chick-fil-A.


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[Assistant] Look, you already sent him a text, you're like, hey, gonna swing by Chick-fil-A, gonna grab some, does anybody want anything? You don't hear a response. Like, you texted him a little bit late, you don't hear a response, guess what you do?


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[Assistant] You get it. If you don't get it, you show up, at my family, you're gonna have problems.


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[Assistant] That's kinda solid. Well, once your kids are driving. Yeaah, yeaah, hell yeaah. Then it becomes a thing. Cause I would say my wife and I kinda had that, you know? Like if you're gonna pick up some food, you're gonna get it done.


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[Assistant] But now that once you got kids that are driving too, like, it's happened.


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[Assistant] Contingency planning is you just get it. I think you're, like, you just get it. That's what we're doing. But yeah, so, if you roll to my house, and you have In-N-Out with you, you have Chick-fil-A with you.


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[Assistant] Those were the spots for after wrestling with my kids. Get done with wrestling, like tournament, gotta weigh in there all day, on the way home, Chick-fil-A, in and out. That's the call. That's what's happening.


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[Assistant] Like I said, not if you're buying weird stuff, right?


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[Assistant] If you're buying un-universal foods. If you're buying non-universal foods, then yeaah.


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[Assistant] If you're coming to my house, don't bring this sushi to me. Don't be bringing me this. But stop it. In and out.


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[Assistant] And grab that protein style. Yeah, yeah. All day. Uh, three by three.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Or just get it and put it in the fridge and you have it tomorrow for lunch. Yeah, that's true. You know what I'm saying? This is not hard to figure out, right?


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[Assistant] Getting fuel. Look, do we get occasionally? Do we get some in and out?


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[Assistant] Draco Fuel. That's what we're doing. Uh, check out the hydrate. Check out the greens. Greens with creatine.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure yet. There's people that it would be a lot. It'd be a big move.


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[Assistant] But right now, I'm telling you, you can do this if you want. You have the choice. Freedom of choice. You want greens and creatine, boom, mix them up. Have it in the morning. It's a good thing too. You get done working out. Maybe you have like,


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[Assistant] You know, you do some work, you get done working out, you get doing some work, now it's like 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock, you're getting a little hungry, boom, have like some mixed nuts, whatever. Then you want to get something a little bit sweet. You wouldn't think greens are sweet.


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[Assistant] Jocko Greens taste good and freaking outstanding for you. So JockoFuel.com


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[Assistant] Mixing is a whole ritual is what you're saying. It's a whole, it's like a Japanese tea ritual. You're going through these whole procedures, out comes the creatine, out comes the greens, little ice, little that's slightly, slightly


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[Assistant] Anyway. DjangoFuel.com, come and check it out. Mulk, you heard about that, we got protein, all taste delicious, naturally sweetened, no junk in them, clean fuel, joint warfare, we got it going on. You wanna get this stuff? Wah wah.


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[Assistant] Vitamin Shop, GNC, Military Commissaries, APHES, Hanford, Dash Stores, Wake Fern, ShopRite, HEB, down in Tejas. Thank you. Meyer. Thank you. Harris Teeter. Let's go.


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[Assistant] Lifetime fitness, shields, small gyms everywhere, jujitsu, CrossFit, gyms. If you own a jujitsu gym, if you own a CrossFit gym, if you own a powerlifting gym, if you own an Olympic lifting gym, if you own a yoga studio.


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[Assistant] Let us know, jfsales at jacobfuel.com and we can set you up so you can give your clients, your customers, your consumers the goods.


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[Assistant] That's what we're doing. Also, OriginUSA.com. You need clothes to, clothing to wear.


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[Assistant] When you make, when you wear clothing, wouldn't you like your clothing?


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[Assistant] To have been made by a person that was not enslaved.


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[Assistant] My guess is yes you would. Wouldn't you want your clothing to represent freedom? Wouldn't you want it to represent America? OriginUSA.com.


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[Assistant] Give you clothing for your entire life. Cause workout gear in the morning.


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[Assistant] Jeans. We got other pants coming out now. Have you seen the Moab pants? They're coming out.


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[Assistant] Freakin', just awesome work pants. Obviously, we got the jeans. Obviously, we got boots. Obviously, when we get done with your work day, that's when you're putting on your jujitsu gear, your gi, your rash guard, your shorts. We got you covered. Head to toe. Head to toe.


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[Assistant] Sure, we got you. Hunt Gear, we got you. Anyways, you guys know the deal. OriginUSA.com. We're bringing manufacturing back to America. Rebuilding America. Rebuilding the communities. America. Freedom. OriginUSA.com. Let's go.


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[Assistant] What are the socks like say on them? Discipline equals freedom. They don't just, they're not just, what do they call my socks? People see my socks in like a picture.


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[Assistant] Scenario aesthetic thought into the clothes that I'm wearing. Yeah, I wear what I wear.


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[Assistant] This is where you go. Some people wonder about the magic. They see a shirt, they've never seen it before.


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[Assistant] PrimalBeef.com or ColoradoCraftBeef.com. Both awesome companies making awesome steak for you to eat. It's freaking outstanding. You need steak. Go to PrimalBeef.com, go to ColoradoCraftBeef.com and get yourself some of the goods. Some steak, some ground beef.


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[Assistant] You got the Jocko, what is it, Jocko Podcast YouTube channel? Official? Official, yea. Origin USA?


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[Assistant] YouTube channel, Jocko Fuel YouTube channel so that we've got some YouTube channels if you want to see some of that. Psychological Warfare. Don't forget about Flipside Canvas, Dakota Meyer, making cool stuff to hang on your wall. I've written a bunch of books about leadership.


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[Assistant] That you can get kids. Look, there's all kinds of paths kids can go down these days.


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[Assistant] And a lot of them are not good. In fact, most of them I would say are not good. Or you can get them down the path. Get the kids you know the warrior kid books.


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[Assistant] Also Echelon Front, we have a leadership consultancy. Go to echelonfront.com for details on that. We have an online training academy, extremeownership.com. For these principles that we teach that can be utilized in business and in survival tactics, you can learn them.


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[Assistant] You can learn how to be a better human being. Go to ExtremeOwnership.com. Also, if you want to help service members active and retired, you want to help their families, Gold Star family, check out Mark Lee's mom, Mama Lee. She's got a charity organization. If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to AmericasMightyWarriors.org. Also, don't forget about Micah Fink up there in the wilderness.


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[Assistant] Helping our veterans relocate their souls. Go to heroesandhorses.org. And Jimmy May has got an organization beyondthebrotherhood.org helping


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[Assistant] Comrades in arms transition to the civilian sector. If you want to connect with Echo and I, we're out there. We're on the interwebs. Echo's at Echo Charles. I'm at Jocko Willink. Just, just be careful because the algorithm has been programmed to steal your time from you and flush it down the toilet. So be careful.


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[Assistant] And thanks to all our servicemen and women around the world right now and also to their families who serve and sacrifice. We are indebted to you always and we will not forget the gift of freedom that you have given us.


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[Assistant] And also thanks to our police and law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, and all other first responders. Thank you for keeping us safe here at home and to everyone else out there.


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[Assistant] Do not run from your fear. Do not run from your fear. Understand it, recognize it, acclimate yourself to it, face it, and learn how to take action.


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[Assistant] Action with purpose even when you are afraid. And build the mental strength.


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[Assistant] And endurance through physical strength and endurance so that you can make yourself a survivor. And until next time, this is Echo and Jaco.


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[Assistant] So wait, wait, so it came out, it was a can, it was pancakes, but did you have to cook it or was it already just boom made out of the can? Like what was the deal?


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[Assistant] But it makes pancakes. Yeaah. Were you seeing the vision?


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[Assistant] I wanna be level 9 and 10 ready, and if I'm not...


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[Assistant] I gotta, I gotta basically be in a situation to be level 9 and 10 ready to, to do whatever it is. Is this even a train jujitsu? To...


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[Assistant] No, but it's all, it's all part of the whole training system. See what I'm saying? So, okay, so you know how you'll be like, yeah, if I'm not feeling good, I'll still go train and get the best I can. And I'm like, hey, if I'm not feeling good, let me rest. So when I go train, I can get the most out of a level 10 workout. You see what I'm saying? Rather than, you know, a level eight kind of workout or level seven, six level workout.


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[Assistant] I say recovery, but yeah, whatever, whatever you gotta, you gotta go. But, but that is a different approach is what I'm saying. So like, and I've always been like this and for better or worse, like where if, if I'm like, Hey, I'm like really tired right now and I know I have to go level 10 in this workout. Like let me, I'll do this workout tomorrow.


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[Assistant] I would say pretty, pretty much every workout I have to go like PR level attempts, you know? And I'm not saying 1 rep max necessarily, but if I'm doing like a set of 15, if I'm doing 5 sets of 15,


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[Assistant] It is like an added like enemy in the room kind of a thing. And he was like, Jason was like, hey, they shouldn't stress you out. You should just go in there like,


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[Assistant] Benefiting essentially the workout for the sake of the workout. Like a workout benefits you, regardless of the numbers you put up or didn't put up, kind of a thing. And I was like, huh, that's a good way to approach it. Although when you're younger, those things kind of, I think, mean more to you anyway.


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[Assistant] That's, that's how I've always approached it. So if you're like, yeah, you can't just throw in an extra 10 sets. That's not part of this program right here, cause I'm trying to optimize this stuff. So you can't just throw in, oh yeah, you're training right now? I was like, no, cause I train here and it's gonna throw off the whole system.


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[Assistant] That is it, and I, and I basically explain like, like why that is, why I'm trying to search my brain, like why am I so committed to my plan? Because deviations from the plan can still make the plan remain effective.


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[Assistant] I think when you get older, that's natural, you know, the fact that like, okay, I got tapped out by three people today versus like zero, you know, like you care way less about that later on. I think, I think in my experience, but with certain individuals that can vary for sure.


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[Assistant] There's a, there's this idea that uhm, this guy Tim, Tom Tim the engineer. Anyway, he said, he was talking about his dad and his dad used to be heavy into wrestling and working out and stuff and I forget if the dad said this or he said this because he watched his dad kinda do this where


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[Assistant] So that can easily lead you to think, well, let me not necessarily strive for those because I'm older now, you know, and you essentially let, let those, uhm,


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[Assistant] That's like you slip essentially, like you, you, you actively lower the standard, lower your own standard. Exactly right. Actively where you allow it to happen like consciously, you know, where, so I think that was, that was a big part of my stress too, where I'm like, shoot, I'm not getting this, these numbers for the reps I used to get.


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[Assistant] So yea, it'd be easy for me to be like, eh, no big deal, I'm getting older. Or it could be like, no, I'm gonna keep fighting for this thing. But the more that, that would happen...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't have to like put in that kind of work anymore. Or is it like, hey, let me embrace the things that I can do, still do my best and accept like a certain level of honest acceptance that like, hey, this is the reality of it. And I'm not going to be a competitor level. I'm not a competitor anymore.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, I'm not going to be a slacker anymore because sometimes it's like an excuse to slack, you know? Like, hey, I'm older, I got a family now, you know? So I don't have to work out. You still can, you still totally can, but you don't because you use it as an excuse. So I was trying to, it's like a weird balance between those two, you know? And I think that you highlighted


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[Assistant] That you can still go hard and not have to be stressed about not getting the numbers kind of a thing. And I was like, oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] And so your body is kind of like, hey, we're not really ready for this right now.


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[Assistant] But your, your mind is the thing focusing on the wrong thing. So just, and that's a good protocol too. Warm up. I, I use the first set. I do, okay, I'm gonna do one good set. And if my body is like, hey, we're not doing this, then it's a little bit more of an indicator. But once you get that first set in, it's like-


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, and just, I mean just physically, like your shoulders at that, in that position, is not as stable as the ball, bar being on


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[Assistant] For pulling guard or w- or was it like, yeaah, you just pull a lot?


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[Assistant] And then back to the pancake mix, uh, thing, what, is that still, like, what up? Like, what, where are we at on that? I feel like we need a bladder blast.


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[Assistant] That's too bad because like when you think about it, especially with the advent of, uh, protein pancakes and like all this stuff, right? And pancakes, let's face it, bro, those are delicious most of the time, you know? So if you combine like a protein batter blaster pancake pack or something like this, bro, I'm telling you, bro, I'm down, I'm a fan.


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[Assistant] Any other questions? That was the thing about the sweating because I was literally just thinking about that when you're, uhm, cause you, you say sweat every day is one of your protocols, right? Sweat every day. And then uhm, and I did a workout and usually I start sweating a little bit and then I'll do this like conditioning thing as far as generally, typically speaking. Uhm, I'll do a conditioning thing at the end. And after the conditioning part, that's when the sweat just like,


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[Assistant] Yeah. Drenched in sweat. But the other day, cause it's getting colder, I did the whole same protocol and I'm like, wait, I'm not even sweating that much. And I'm thinking like, it literally doesn't feel like I worked out that hard. But I did the exact same thing as I always do. But I was like, oh no, cause it's cold right now. So, to answer your, as far as your question, do you feel like you work out?


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[Assistant] Breakdown. That's crazy how like a workout, just that small shift in, so okay, so think, go back to your, uh, 15 burpees, every minute on the minute. Yeah. That's different than do 15 burpees. Okay. Okay. So we'll do this. So let's say on average, give or take, you do 15 burpees. How many, how many seconds?


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[Assistant] On average you got 15, 10, 15 seconds rest between burpees if you're doing it on the cadence that you're talking about. That's a different workout than you do 15 burpees.


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[Assistant] Also, Origin USA, we're doing the jiu-jitsu. You need a gi. You're doing the gi? And no gi. So when you put on the gi, best make sure it's a Origin gi. Trust me.


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[Assistant] Once you go origin, you don't go back to these other sweatshop.


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[Assistant] Abrasive straight jacket geese. In fact, part of the freaking half of jiu jitsu is making your gi not feel like a straight jacket. That's half of what jiu jitsu is. So don't just out the gate purchase a straight jacket gi, get the origin gi. That's the luxury gi right there.


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[Assistant] That origin jeans are my date night standard uniform. 100% accurate. I'm not saying like sometimes. No. It's the standard uniform. Yea.


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[Assistant] Discipline equals freedom. Look, DEF. When we say DEF reset, you know what DEF stands for? D-E-F. Discipline equals freedom. That's true. Discipline does equal freedom. I had to have a discipline equals freedom talk with one of my sons.


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[Assistant] But nonetheless, you want to represent while we're on this path that Jason was talking about, that we're talking about. You want to represent. Discipline equals freedom. That's where you can get your shirts. So there you go.


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[Assistant] Hats. The whole deal. Also, subscription. If you want a new shirt every month. Discipline equals freedom still, just in a different flavor from time to time.


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[Assistant] The cotton candy? Just ma- cotton candy, whatever you need. Cotton candy? Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] So it's like a gift, like a Christmas gift every single month. People seem to like it. Anyways, it's called the Short Locker if you don't know. New design every month. Subscriptions.


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[Assistant] That's on JockoStore, JockoStore.com, that's where you can get... Checks.


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[Assistant] You are actually correct even in practice. So not last night, the night before, all the primal beef, all of them.


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[Assistant] The burgers that I had. I took them out, they were getting thought out, hey, I'm gonna, you know, make as many burgers as you need to for, you know, whatever kids and then I'm gonna make the rest for, uh, chili.


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[Assistant] You stacked the double thick one? Bruh, all day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so there's two methods of seasoning. I don't wanna go too deep into it. I'll go kinda deep into it. There's one seasoning that my younger brother, Yatta, turned me on to. I forget what it's called. I'll, I'll show it to you later. Uhm, I forget what it's called, but you just put that on it.


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[Assistant] You can say, hey, can I get a little container of that seasoning?


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 427 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening. I bet you and I have a lot in common. We're not the strongest, smartest or richest people we know. We're not the fastest or most connected. We're not the best looking or most talented. We don't have the best genetics.


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[Assistant] But what we do have is something a lot of those other people will never have. The will to work.


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[Assistant] There's one unavoidable truth in this, in this world. It's that there is no substitute for putting in the work. There is no shortcut or growth hack or magic pill that can get you around the hard work of doing your job well, of winning something you care about or of making your dreams come true.


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[Assistant] People have tried to cut corners and skip steps in this process for as long as hard work has been hard.


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[Assistant] Eventually, those people either fall behind or get left in the dust. Because working your ass off is the only thing that works 100% of the time for 100% of the things worth achieving. Work works. That is the bottom line. No matter what you do, no matter who you are,


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[Assistant] My entire life has been shaped by that single idea.


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[Assistant] And that right there is an excerpt from a book called Be Useful, Seven Tools for Life by Arnold Schwarzenegger. And if you don't know anything about Arnold Schwarzenegger, well,


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[Assistant] Then won Mr. Olympia seven times. He brought bodybuilding to the masses.


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[Assistant] Through his victories and through his film Pumping Iron, he then took over Hollywood.


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[Assistant] Hit movies like Conan the Barbarian, The Terminator, the entire Terminator series, Commando, Predator, Twins, Total Recall, True Lies, The Expendables, and dozens of other movies.


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[Assistant] He's written articles. He's written books. He was the chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports.


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[Assistant] He created after school all-stars to help kids stay out of trouble. He helped grow and inspire and coach in the Special Olympics. He's built several businesses.


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[Assistant] He served two terms as my governor here in California. He has a new Netflix documentary series about his life. He's been called the Austrian Oak, Schwartzy, and the Governator. And.


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[Assistant] That was the intro that I had planned Echo Trolls to use.


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[Assistant] When we got to sit down with Arnold Schwarzenegger.