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[Assistant] There's several generations, but not the whole thing, but it just takes up all the room. They take putting Palmer on there. If they just did steal, you could get and didn't do Palmer. You could get more rounds in there, but you're, I mean, but what you're saying is with, they had smaller mags that held just as many rounds.


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[Assistant] And, and this, oh yeaah, so this is a PSP mag, so the European mag release, the deal is there, and on the US ones, there's something here, isn't there a catch here? Correct, yeaah, for the, uh, the paddle release. So much neat work.


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[Assistant] No, from an engineering standpoint, that's smart. They should have all made their 45 guns, 40 probably, but they wanted them small. Cause you know, I don't know with the USP, but doing it that way, the USP 40 probably lasts a long time, but like a Glock 22 compared to a 17, I mean, it's got a quarter of the lifespan. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So, so was it, I always assumed it was designed like everything else for like the German police. Was it just the USP design for the US market?


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[Assistant] Cloner's dream right here. So Knight says that great vertical grip advanced arm. It did one H and K typical H and K.


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[Assistant] So this is not all plastic. No, you have an aluminum piece here that locks into the rail. And I'm sure if I had my glasses on, I could see it's got some HK mark on it. I don't think right here that makes this thing worth a thousand and twenty seven dollars.


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[Assistant] Look at that. You know, it's like, I've probably thrown these away before.


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[Assistant] You know, all that stuff is, what was the gun earlier I was thinking about? It's an M something. Oh, the M, uh. 1911.


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[Assistant] No, what's the Marine Corps gun we're talking about? M27. IAR. So why is it the M27 if it's the Marine Corps? Was that adopted by the Army or something? Don't they use M and the Navy and so the Marines use? No, I guess it's the M40. So just the Navy uses Mark. Navy uses Mark. Yeah. Correct. I get so confused with all the military in the branches.


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[Assistant] That's why it came to my mind earlier, cause they use...


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[Assistant] And then this isn't A-1, but the Navy always uses Mod-O, Mod-1, and the Army uses A-whatever, right? Correct. They're screwing it all up. I can't remember any of these acronyms. You know, that's why I named the Honey Badger the Honey Badger. I couldn't remember what they were calling our own gun.


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[Assistant] Like man, everything, you gotta stop, cause it's like, I go into meetings with them and everything's a fucking acronym and I'm like, I don't even understand what y'all are saying. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, like we're doing the JDP over on range, you know, two, five, six, and you know,


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[Assistant] What, what, what does that mean?


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[Assistant] Because John Clements actually named the 300 blackout like the honey badger, the MPW for multi-purpose weapon. And it was actually the predecessor to the honey badger. And so then it was another acronym with something else.


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[Assistant] For the Honey Badger, and I'm just like, I couldn't even honestly remember the name to our own gun, so I just make up nicknames for everything.


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[Assistant] Oh, it is? See, cause they even get Mark 18 and Mark 12 confused all the time. Mark 12 is a cooler one. Yeah, yeah, the Mark 18.


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[Assistant] But the Mark 18 was cool because that's what started, hey, you know, it's like the Navy starts using those short barrels again, and then you get the 416. With that, I guess we're going to skip all over the place.


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[Assistant] How many, like 416s did you sell domestically? Like not, well, I mean, I guess it didn't matter.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeah, but to police departments, biome, federal agencies and stuff.


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[Assistant] Highest spenders. And yeah, they're not going to go do a real reliability test where you're so calm. Customers bring you there and embarrass you if your guns not. I mean, think


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[Assistant] Oh, so what were all the differences? Okay, so those are all made in Germany. Correct and important.


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[Assistant] So in HK does the, uh, sorry. Go ahead, what'd you say?


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[Assistant] So uhm, but they're hammer forged with the chamber and the rifling at the same time.


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[Assistant] That's the way to do it. I don't know. People here just are idiots. They should do that. Cause that chamber concentricity to the boar. That's why you're shooting those little groups at 600.


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[Assistant] And yeah, cause of the mandrel have the chamber and the rifle. So then everything is absolutely concentric to where if you cut them, there's always a tolerance and then chambers a little off and those barrels never shoot as well.


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[Assistant] So when people hammer forge and then they cut the chambers, I think they're morons. I don't even get it. I have no idea why.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, cause it's consistency, like you can get somebody, like if, you know, you get someone who,


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[Assistant] A machinist that's doing that and he's particular about everything and he can get close a lot. Maybe a lot of his barrel shoot really good.


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[Assistant] You get some other yahoo that's just gonna hit the tolerance and...


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[Assistant] You know, so when you're cutting the chambers, as opposed to doing an all in one thing, you might get some barrels that shoot great. Oh, my gun shoes. Great. You're stupid.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I mean, we're even at the size now, as small as we are, to where it's much cheaper for me to spend more on the proper process and doing it up front than it is to get guns back or have to replace a thousand of something. Sure.


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[Assistant] And when you're a small business, it's hard to see that, but once it gets into like tens of millions of dollars.


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[Assistant] You know, like you got a million dollars in barrels sitting on the shelf that you're, you know, building guns with. And if all those are screwed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's just, you know, I always talk about Knights and H&K. It's like, that's who I'm trying to be. Like, I ain't trying to be Daniel Defensor, Smith & Wesson. I don't still have any interest in that.


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[Assistant] And you know, you gotta pay to play. That's what you realize. And it's so, I mean, especially for us, I mean, we think about.


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[Assistant] Right now we just had a little plunger, an issue with uhm,


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[Assistant] I don't know, probably a million bucks, two million dollars worth of guns sitting there waiting on six cent part. You know, but it's like, well, we're not going to send it out with this like bullshit plunger. I've got to get the right thing.


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[Assistant] The honey badger is just, or the fix, that's just for people that want to flex on IG and think they're cool. They charge $3,000 for an AR, it's like...


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[Assistant] We have about three parts that are interchangeable with an AR now at this point. And you know, the problem is, you know, I talked about on previous podcasts, you know, Wayne, when you were a kid too, and like going to work at H and K.


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[Assistant] What's there, like three people in America making bolts and bolt carriers and they're all mill spec? Exactly. And I think we took that for granted when you and I were young. Now it's like every asshole in the machine shop.


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[Assistant] You know, makes a bolt, it works in most, you know, it's that mentality. It's like, well, okay. So that you just can't do that anymore because mill mill specs, it doesn't mean anything anymore because they all lie about it. It's bullshit. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And so that's where now, whether it's the honey badger.


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[Assistant] And there's basically, like, we're not even using the mag catch anymore. We're doing our own mag catch.


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[Assistant] You know, and that costs, I buy a mill spec mag catch and now it's like half of them are good. Half of them aren't, but it's like, that's probably a $4 part. Well, for me to make my own mag catch is like $27. Sure. But it's correct.


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[Assistant] And so a customer never has a problem. We don't fill them in QC. I don't have our assembly people putting them together. Then QC checking them and then them having to take them apart and go find another one. It's.


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[Assistant] I mean, these are the things that you pay for. And I realize now when I was a kid, I thought, man, HK is awesome. Jeez, I gotta make a lot of money. It's so expensive. You know, as you get older and you do this or you own a company that you're aspiring to be like that.


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[Assistant] You understand why HK is always more expensive.


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[Assistant] A DM this week and a guy wanted to return his gun, he bought one of our, it was one of the gas guns, the honey badger probably.


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[Assistant] And it's like the guns been test fired and it was shocking to him that we fire every gun. You know, it's just like, there's so many new people in the guns. It's like, of course we fire every gun. Like every gun gets test fired and all those gas guns get shot with super and subsonic ammo. Like, uh, we test fire our stuff. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean that alone, what you just said adds a hundred dollars to cost your gun. Right. Basically. Yeah. I mean, cause we don't shoot proof rounds in every gun, but we shoot proof rounds in


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[Assistant] But, and they alternate. Super and sub and we shoot, cause our stuff's designed to be shot with a silencer. Sure. So we shoot them with a silencer. So then too, you know, the muzzle device gets a little dirty, but I mean they clean them after, but it's like, you could still tell the gun's been fired. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Well, we also, we also QC the stocks to make sure it locks up. And then too, you know, with us just clear anodizing and the receivers being light, every little piece of carbon stands out on it to where if the receivers are black.


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[Assistant] Like all your guns are testifying, you know, if it's Colt or HK or whoever, you just don't necessarily see it because they're black.


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[Assistant] Um, yeah, it is interesting. The commercial had to be frustrating at H and K because like you're either dealing with, you know, SEAL team six, or you're dealing with, you know, uh, you know, Richard, the insurance guy that starches his shirts and drives a Ferrari and wants to show off to all his friends. This has a scratch on it.


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[Assistant] Well, I've had somebody, uh, want me to, they wanted to buy a gun that we did not test fire that was never been shot.


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[Assistant] No. I was like, yeah, well, I, blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't know what he said. He probably said he'd pay a premium or something. I was like, have liability insurance. Yeah. So like, this isn't for you to like show off to your other rich friends. We build tools.


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[Assistant] If that's what you want to do, well you should operate from the factory.


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[Assistant] So either shoot supers or put a silencer on it or open the gas block where you can be ridiculous and shoot subsonic ammo without a silencer.


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[Assistant] We talked in the last podcast about it, how yeah, it's developed. There was one 24 and one 15 grain ammo where I keep talking about that brochure that I've got somewhere that I'll find on our next podcast where it talks about like 170 or 80 grain, nine millimeter ammo. It's cause the barrel wasn't, you know, going to be bored.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I mean, you know what, it is one of those things, if you're shooting a borderline, like something's just going supersonic, you shoot through that gun, it's like shooting someone with a .380. It was part of the reason to develop the Honey Badger was, you know, there it is like 60 years later, but it's like, well,


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[Assistant] You know, at the time and when they developed it, but the gun weighs eight or eight and a half pounds and it's a nine millimeter. If you're shooting one 15, one 24 grain ammo.


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[Assistant] You're really just shooting a heavy 380 at somebody. So somebody's got heavy winter clothing on, you're shooting them at 70 meters. Yeah. It ain't like shooting them with a rifle, my man. Um.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was, it's, it's amazing. Like that gun is still so iconic, but


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[Assistant] You know, we tried to get with the Honey Badger down to 1 MOA at 100 with subsonic. And we failed. We didn't get there. But part of that was the projectile that SOCOM purchased. But the guns still shoot great. Like I bet every Honey Badger with decent subsonic ammo is under 2 MOA.


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[Assistant] And I would love for it to be better, but it's like, Hey, the whole goal was to replace the MP5 SD that shoots like six to nine MOAs.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah. Yeaah, that's uhm, dealing with the military. What was more...


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[Assistant] What was more difficult to deal with when you're the president of H&K, the uh, military or a commercial customer?


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[Assistant] That's awesome. I'm a bit more of an asshole. Well, I appreciate all the customers, but it is amazing. And I don't know if it's just like raising or the internet or Amazon, like what causes some of the attitude, but I've called customers before when they're having a problem.


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[Assistant] And generally they can be like cursing at the customer service person and I'll call.


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[Assistant] And it's easy to settle it, you know, it's like, Hey, what can I do for you? But it's also like, I will fire your ass as a customer. If you want to be unreasonable, like we'll do anything.


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[Assistant] So what's your, what's your beef? Yeah. Well, I find too, that it's, it's, um, the majority of our customer service is done by a lady at our place and generally a different attitude. Unfortunately, when they deal with a woman in that position, then I'm really, I think it is.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean we've got, well, I mean, as far as executive level at our company, you know, half the company's female.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And, and you know, they run a lot of our company, a lot of my life. And so it's funny when they.


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[Assistant] To kind of deal with them once it came to the purchase. And when he started to deal with them, wanted to speak to the man who was approving the purchase.


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[Assistant] And, you know, we're talking about our general counsel is a woman, and you know, the head of finance is a woman. Director of compliance. Yeah, it's like all these key positions and it's like, you idiot. Like, why would you talk to women that way?


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[Assistant] It's a woman. Exactly. I know. Cause I was like, let me like after the third call they had had and decided this was the company they wanted to go with. And they were telling me they're just venting to me. And, uh, they're like, we're gonna like give him a piece of our mind. I was like, let me just talk to them. They're like, Oh hell no. You know, cause I would have been like,


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[Assistant] Screw you moron. And they're like, no, this is the ERP system we want. We're just going to like go above him and deal with someone else. But it's, it was crazy to me that you get that today still. It is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that was effective. I did a lot of that at AAC. I think now I don't know if I take it for granted. I just don't have the time and don't want to engage everyone because I'm just at the mindset. Now there's stuff that I want to accomplish in the company from, I think I realized like I'm getting old and Ethan's even getting older.


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[Assistant] And there are product things that I want us to accomplish to me. You know, you always have to prioritize your life and with the company and all those things. And there's just.


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[Assistant] You know, I used to really want to make everyone happy at advanced armament, my old company.


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[Assistant] And now I just realized we only need a few percent of the people to be our customers.


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[Assistant] And no matter how many people get frustrated or vent online or something.


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[Assistant] Doesn't affect our sales and if we're creating the best stuff and I just had to prioritize in my mind, like I want our company to grow and be successful and outlive me and you know, leave some sort of legacy. Um, you know, uh, for me and everybody that's working there on our team, but.


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[Assistant] Like I just kind of now trying to stay hyper focused on the product and we only have.


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[Assistant] So many more years that we're gonna work. So how many more projects can we do?


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[Assistant] And that's more important to me. And maybe that's a little more of a read night philosophy. I don't know, but that's how I feel at the moment. You know, when I was young, I thought, Oh,


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[Assistant] Tick tock, I don't have that much time and you know, you start trusting and just disseminating all of that stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, so I couldn't find it. I looked for it this morning, I'm sure. We'll post a picture now. I think we have before, actually. It's very easy to Google. Was that the HK45 on the cover? It was Shot Show, the catalog HK was handing out. Larry Vickers had retired.


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[Assistant] Or at all. Which is funny because Bud Feeney was in charge of that who worked with it. SIG. Who's a great guy. I love Bud Feeney a ton. But, and you know, it's weird. It's like Bud Feeney is a gun dude. Like he's a world-class shotgun shooter. Like he is no rookie and they published and printed thousands of catalogs where the ammo is in the magazine backwards.


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[Assistant] And he was in a HK shirt and a whole uniform at shot show.


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[Assistant] But yeah, it wouldn't have happened. Yeah, that was pretty funny. That's like a pretty famous one with each. Oh, I just thought I was just.


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[Assistant] Just, he was so into it. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. To a ridiculous degree.


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[Assistant] Well, I'll see, like, we have this rack, it'll hold 200 rifles when they're in process at work. And they're, you know, basically parallel with the ground. And when there's fixes on there, so with the fixed rifle, the butt pad, you know, you could put on either way. There's a cue on the back and it goes on one way. And I'll walk past the, I mean,


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[Assistant] I'll just walk past that right, like you and I could be doing a tour, I'll walk past it and I will see the one where somebody put up a-


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[Assistant] I'm like, how are you guys doing this? Like I wasn't even, I was talking to him and fucking saw it. How do you not see that that's upside down? Like, Oh, it drives me insane. All of that stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It is interesting. I mean the attention to detail though. Yeaah. I mean some people don't have it.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I'm sure that drives you crazy. Oh, and you too, probably for that matter. Your attention detail is really good. Yeah. Yeah. Mine just naturally, but I mean something I care about. It's different.


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[Assistant] Oh man, yeah, only, yeah, I used to have to do all the brochures like that. We have like the, it's, it's just Photoshop. There was no such thing. You know, it was just so limited on how you could do brochures and, uh, the magazine ads and all the everything, everything kids are spoiled.


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[Assistant] Every time, you know what I hate about that, I saw it at SHOT Show 2 on some of the boos. Yeaah. Cause I, you know, when I first started, I would do like the dress up military pictures where faking it. You know, and if you got guys, that's...


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[Assistant] Who they were and they got their stuff and they want to do it. That's cool for me. I like just authentic now.


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[Assistant] But what I saw at Shot Show that drove me crazy were those pictures where


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[Assistant] They put it in black and white. And I don't remember the booth. If I did, you know I'd call them out.


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[Assistant] But I saw two different times like that at Shot Show, where they had those pictures on the side of their booth, spent thousands of dollars, and they're using pistol guns with pistol braces. And it's like, you know, posed military pictures, and I'm just like, I hate this company. I would never buy anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that kind of stuff. Hey, you know what? When I first really got into guns and learned what H&K was, I remember my local gun store had an HK sticker on the door. Big one. Their HK deal. Some men don't.


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[Assistant] In a world of compromise, some men don't. Then HK GAVE IN!


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[Assistant] Uh, was she the one that was upset about that and they had to change it?


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[Assistant] That is so- There are plenty around. I still see them. That's cool. In a world of compromise, some men don't. And it's like, what?


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[Assistant] You can still find t-shirts with that on. Oh, I would love, maybe I'll just print them. Till HK sends me that cease and desist.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's shortened to no compromise. No compromise, yeah. It makes sense. That's pretty cool. Better than cigs.


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[Assistant] He is now, he's the one that came up when they copied the fixed rifle and they did the cross. Oh yeah. It's whole marketing campaign and it's hunt like a warrior.


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[Assistant] I was like, Tom, you should have fucking retired before you did that one because I'm going to make fun of you until the day you're gone. I remember when he was a Smith and Wesson. And then Mossberg.


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[Assistant] What else? What do you got on your list, H and K-wise? We talked about a lot of it. I know. But Wayne's here right now.


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[Assistant] But you didn't talk about it. So World War II, wait, did any of you guys investigate this? World War II ends, all the German engineers and scientists disappear miraculously.


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[Assistant] And here Hitler is still in Argentina, so we're going to look in for him in July. Yep. And some of them go to Spain. They start developing guns.


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[Assistant] Thank you, Germany. NASA's cool. We develop Velcro and all kinds of cool shit.


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[Assistant] So uhm, so the SETME rifle, so that's where the G3 comes from, that's the first HK gun, yes?


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[Assistant] That's a scam, man. They were running a double whammy. Germans, they pretend to be Spanish, they sell it back to Germany. So uhm, so do that, the G3. So what's the fluted chamber all about?


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[Assistant] Get it all the way around that case and then you can pull it out real easy. Exactly. Get all that pressure going. So you're pulling on one side. There was a point where you were talking.


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[Assistant] Pulls it out. So same thing there. That's cool. I didn't know that with the fluted chamber, but it makes sense cause you float it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Really? Yes sir. It was necessary. It was just, it's helpful and you guys were good at it.


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[Assistant] That's cool. Do you think, uhm, is the fluted chamber necessary in the MP5? Non-mil?


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[Assistant] Do you think it allows you like an MP5 SD to be able to shoot more rounds without cleaning?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not the only thing doing all the work. Cause when you flute the chamber, and when correct me if I'm wrong, but the gas comes in the chamber in those flutes. So it doesn't allow, and since it's all the way around, doesn't allow the case to expand. And so you're reducing the friction. So it basically helps to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, slide it out. Yeah, so it's like having a lubricated chain.


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[Assistant] Yeah, did you know in the Browning, uhm, BAR, have you guys ever seen the original Mags?


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[Assistant] And uh, I need to find mine. I gotta unpack my whole archive. I have so much cool shit that I forget about.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I have these original BAR mags. This mag, I don't know. It may be like, worked the most out of anything I've got. Probably not. But anyway, it's, uh, the sides of the mag are cut out. Probably like 80% of it. Big rectangle.


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[Assistant] And then there is a, there is a little thing welded onto the mag that basically creates this little pocket on each side. And it's a piece of felt in there that's about an eighth inch thick and it's soaked in oil.


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[Assistant] A water-cooled machine gun is totally cool because you shoot till the end of time like Hiram Maxim.


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[Assistant] Did a demo, he did a 45 minute belt. If you keep the barrel cool, if you got a water source to keep it cool, you can do that.


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[Assistant] I mean, you know, and I know you can't do that if you're not cooling the barrel.


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[Assistant] It's kind of the same thing with that. It allows you to shoot longer with the gun being dirty too. Cause you know, I know Robert hurt that you sort of educate and sick. So the kid at SIG, Adam Agri, who he taught to do demos and everything, the international demos.


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[Assistant] They would keep an oily cloth in their pocket and put all the rounds in there. When they were doing the sand test and the dirt test is probably like a Robert H. K. trick. You put those rounds in there and you got them all oil and you pull them out, load your magazine, you throw the gun in the dirt, you pick it up.


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[Assistant] And that's how you're able to do. Yeah, because you know, they're going to do their own testing, but you want to do a demo where other guns will fail. Cause you know, it's all dog and pony. It's all bullshit, you know, slide of hand, but that's another trick. You oil the rounds up.


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[Assistant] If you want them to feed, like all the Russians still case 22 ammo for biathlons, I'm going on all kinds of tangents. I'm just remembering all this gun shit that I know.


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[Assistant] So it's all, so the Russian biathlon ammo is all steel for some reason. Either, I don't think it was just because it was cheap.


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[Assistant] So many tricks, so many tricks, but the original B air mags are that way. So that's kind of like the fluted chamber, but it's so much lower maintenance, but you just gotta cut the fucking chamber, which is hard to do. So how'd HK do this? EDM?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they probably had an EDM for the rest of the world, probably developed in Germany. Where was electro discharge machining developed, Thomas?


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeah. Yeah, that's about the only way to do it.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You know, yeah. Take that follower out, Lou, the bag, Lottie, the fall or spring, everything.


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[Assistant] Fucking cheaters, that's so smart though. Dude, who was that old dude that was always doing the Benelli demos and he died a few years ago?


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[Assistant] Yeah, a separate shot. I couldn't throw nine clay pigeons and just shoot nine shots before they hit the ground.


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[Assistant] That had to sell all of the guns.


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[Assistant] It's amazing, man, I've said it before on here, I would, oh, all that old, like, um, shooting demonstrate, you know, Winchester would have a team that would travel around the country, like,


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[Assistant] Who can do that anyway? With a 22 and they would throw those in the air and she could through through the center. And there was the record she set where they had wood blocks that were like 2 inches by 2 inches or 4 by 4 or something.


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[Assistant] And she would ride on a horse standing up and they would throw those and she shot like 4,100 of them in a row without missing.


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[Assistant] I saw one the other day, a dude with a bow. Yeaah, he would use those flat tips. The one I saw the other day, he would be at like 25 yards or whatever and he would let water drop and he would shoot a drop of water in the air with an arrow.


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[Assistant] That's cool. Yeah, I used to like doing demos too. You know, the first demo I ever did for the army, like the big army. It was kind of like, what was it? The Rangers at Benning. And it was when, uh,


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[Assistant] So we get there, they had been shooting that all day. And that, and they're shooting a still target at a hundred meters. The first shot with 300 blackout, the nine inch barrel broke the target.


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[Assistant] It's like, you can't ask for a better demo. You can not. So then that's when they got all excited about a new PDW program. You know, it's a little gun that weighs like five pounds.


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[Assistant] Everything, no recoil. And then that was even before we did the subsonic with the silencer and shot the target. But the first round of supersonic, I think it was the first round. Maybe it was a third. Anyway, the first.


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[Assistant] Let's pretend it was the first round. First magazine. No, it was definitely the first two or three rounds, but I think it was the first one. The target broke and fell apart at a hundred meters. You know, we got there in the afternoon, like the demo was the next day.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's like stuff like that happens. Oh man, that's good living right there.


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[Assistant] But yeah, showed the capability. Yeah, they're all God. Yeah. I forget all that stuff doing demos.


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[Assistant] Was he, oh that was when he, Sal was at FN? Cause he was at Colt before that.


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[Assistant] Yeah. See, I like that to me. I mean, most people don't, but Wayne, you're such a nice man. Like, but I like.


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[Assistant] What are, what's the downside to the Roar delayed system? The 33, the G3, the MP5, what's bad about it?


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[Assistant] Well, I didn't know that. Small world. Super small.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Christian Horner and you're listening to Beyond the Grid.


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[Assistant] And I think as, as, as a team and I think, you know, what we achieved between 2000.


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[Assistant] Really nine was a big year for us in 2013.


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[Assistant] Winning four world championships, back to back world championships, double championships, constructors and drivers was, you know, a huge, huge realization. And even really since then, you know, the difficulties we've had.


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[Assistant] In the, with the regulation change the engines, you know, that we've managed to win, you know, races almost every single year.


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[Assistant] I think there's a couple of moments to stand out. One is the first victory in 2009 in China, pouring in rain. Sebastian qualified on pole.


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[Assistant] And that wasn't stress free because he had a leaking drive shaft boot where all the oil was coming out. He could only do one lap at a time.


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[Assistant] And then we had a wet race on, on race day. And so to win that championship to finish first and second was, you know, the realization of, of.


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[Assistant] Everything coming together is a very, very special moment for the team, you know, for Sebastian, for, you know, everybody in the team, for Dietrich Mateschitz and, you know, and of course myself.


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[Assistant] 2004 and so the 2005 car was essentially a repainted Jaguar.


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[Assistant] And during the 2005 season, it was a question of right, identifying where the strengths and weaknesses were in the team and building, setting out about building the foundations. And a key part of that was getting the right technical leadership. And for me,


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[Assistant] You know, I obviously followed motorsport for many, many years.


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[Assistant] I don't know who that is, I think that's Margot. Uhm, and, uh, I think, you know, obviously having got Adrian to join the team.


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[Assistant] You know, where he started at the beginning of 2006.


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[Assistant] Very quickly started working on the 2007 car. It was then a question of bolstering the team and building a


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[Assistant] An organisation that could accommodate the way that Adrian worked, which was totally different to anything that happened in there.


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[Assistant] You know, you, you, you 100% back him. And so we created a structure.


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[Assistant] Bringing in, you know, key personnel, whether it's like sort of, you know, Rob Marshall at the time, Peter Padromo, you know, other key members of the team, Jonathan Wheatley as a team manager from Renault, you know, there was a, there was a heavy recruitment process about building the right


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[Assistant] The right structure and it was really only when the regulation change came.


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[Assistant] Between 2008, 2009, where there was a reset, that we created the right structure.


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[Assistant] They gave the technical team the opportunity with a clean sheet of paper to come out with, you know, their best interpretation. And, and we saw from very early in 2009 testing that we were looking really competitive.


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[Assistant] Until the brawn turns up right at the end, there's obviously question marks over its future and so on.


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[Assistant] I think that the double diffuser was a political thing, because if you looked at the regulations to the letter, a double diffuser would never have been allowed. But when you had a scenario where


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[Assistant] It was all about interpretation and there were the teams that had it.


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[Assistant] That were, uh, not in conflict with the FIA at the time and that there were the teams that didn't that included Ferrari.


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[Assistant] McLaren that were embroiled in a, in a battle and Renault with Max and the FIA and so


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[Assistant] My feeling was it became as much a political thing as a technical thing. And so...


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[Assistant] Of course it was, it was frustrating the way that the ruling went, but as soon as it was clear that a double diffuser was acceptable.


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[Assistant] I think we introduced our first variant by Monaco.


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[Assistant] That just started getting bigger and more integrated, you know, thereafter.


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[Assistant] I think he's the most significant one, yes absolutely, because he's...


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[Assistant] You know, his credentials speak for themselves. And I think that, you know, I could tell that Adrian was frustrated in the environment that he was, you know, in at the time of McLaren. And I think the opportunity at Red Bull.


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[Assistant] Just provided a new lease of life for him, freedom.


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[Assistant] Uhm, no, I've just been a fan of his cars and...


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[Assistant] You know, David Coulthard, who was our driver at the time, I remember saying to David quite early on around...


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[Assistant] First European race in Imola. I think Adrian is interested in what we're doing because I found him outside the front of the, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, the energy station which turned up for the first time next to McLaren.


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[Assistant] DC was, was instrumental in helping to progress that because he said, well, you know, Adrian's wife of the time.


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[Assistant] You know, was a uh, instrumental person within his decision making and so, you know, David organized


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[Assistant] And that was, that was around September. I think we went to Austria to meet Dietrich and see what the world of Red Bull was all about. I think that was either end of September, early October.


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[Assistant] Well it was, it was a very funny meeting because it wasn't much of a meeting. We turned up in Austria and, uhm, Adrian's...


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[Assistant] Their wife was very keen to conceal his identification even though David Coulthard was on the plane with us. And so,


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[Assistant] We turned up and she was trying to put a cap and dark glasses on him and we got out of the airplane at the Red Bull hangar and there's a bunch of Japanese tourists there that see David Coulthard and all they're doing is taking pictures, which was


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Marigold's worst nightmare. And thereafter, uhm, you know, straight from that we got into a helicopter, went up to sea to have lunch with Dietrich.


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[Assistant] Who arrived about an hour late on his Harley Davidson, sat down with everybody to have some apple strudel.


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[Assistant] You know, was enthusiastic about great that you're here, blah, blah, blah. Uhm, would love you to be with us.


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[Assistant] There was, there was, there was no even, no even talk of it. Um, and you know, it was just a few pleasantries and then off he went again on his motorbike. You know, have a great time. See you later.


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[Assistant] Then what do we do? We stuck Adrian up in an Alpha jet, one of the Red Bull fleet of planes that they have that...


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[Assistant] Agree a deal, in principle, subject to Dietrich's approval, I remember.


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[Assistant] The call going in to say, the good news is, you know, Adrian's prepared to come. Uh, which is all fantastic, blah, blah, blah. The bad news is, is that it's gonna cost this much. He's like, send him home immediately!


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, uh, but that reaction lasted about five minutes and it was like, no, this is a wonderful opportunity for our team to have, you know, Adrian Newey, you know, that had so much success behind him.


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[Assistant] You know, join Red Bull, and I think he was...


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[Assistant] He liked what he saw, he got a great feeling from the team, from Dietrich's ambition and commitment and...


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[Assistant] I think so, and I think that's what brings the best out. You know, Adrian is a creative person. He's like an artist. And you don't, you know, with creative people, you can't put them in a cage. Uhm, you've got to give them the freedom to express themselves, to, to be creative. And I think that's been one of the things that's really worked tremendously well with


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[Assistant] Whatever he wants to do and I think he hasn't felt, you know, he's worked for Red Bull for longer than any other company's entire, entire career.


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[Assistant] Not at all. I think, you know, Adrian is a very competitive guy. He sort of fell out of love a bit with Formula One over the last few years, I think, only after the engine regulation changed. But of course the Valkyrie project with Aston Martin has really stimulated him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so all these creative juices get going and, and that car will be, you know, insane, but he still, he still loves Formula One, he still very much.


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[Assistant] Involved in what we're doing and you see his influence all over the car.


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[Assistant] I'd competed against Helmut's team. In fact, riding the clock back even further to 1996.


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[Assistant] I was still driving at the time and I decided that I had an amount of sponsorship.


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[Assistant] That, you know, I was going to set up a team because that would provide me the best opportunity with the money that I had rather than going to a team and


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[Assistant] You know, wasting a lot of money and just having a set of results sheets and some overalls at the end of the year. These this way with the money I had, I still have a car.


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[Assistant] And some assets around, around me. So originally Arden was set up just as a mechanism for me to go, to go racing. That was my ambition with it, not to be a team principal or anything like that.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I needed a trailer to transport the car around in, and then, you know, I was informed that this chap in Austria, Dr Helmut Marco,


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[Assistant] He was going to, taking his team to America and he had a, he had a trailer for sale. So I flew to Graz. I think I was about 24 at the time. I met Helmut.


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[Assistant] And that, and that was it shook hands on it and he said, right, you need to send me the money tomorrow and I'll deliver the trailer in a one week's time to, um, to Dover. So, uh, anyway, I, I came back and I begged, borrowed and.


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[Assistant] You know, scrounged the money, sent it to Helmut. And I remember having a discussion with my father saying that, oh, good news, I managed to buy a trailer.


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[Assistant] He said, well where is it? I said, well it's in Austria. He said, well, when are you paying for it? I said, well, I already have.


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[Assistant] Who too? I said, well, this Austrian chap that he seemed all right. He had a good handshake and looked reputable. So are you mad?


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[Assistant] And it was a good trailer. I actually made a profit on it when I sold it about five years later. And that was my first meeting with Helmut, who then was running his own team in Formula 3000 at the time.


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[Assistant] Then took on the Red Bull Junior program where he had two young drivers, Enrico Bernoldi and, uh, Riccardo Maurizio, who's a strange little driver that had a Twitch.


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[Assistant] That was a Red Bull junior called Vitt Antonio Liuzzi and I was desperate to have him in our team because


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[Assistant] He was the, the standout driver. And by this time, Helmut was looking after the program. And, and so I went and negotiated with Helmut and typical Helmut, he wanted to pay cheap. So he offered me half a budget for Liuzzi. And I said, okay, I'll do it for that, but you've got to pay a win bonus.


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[Assistant] I thought we might win three or four races. So I said, if we win...


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[Assistant] You know, so I thought if we win a race, I'd want to win bonus of I think it was 20,000 euros a race.


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[Assistant] And Leuzzi went on to win every single race VAR won, which his teammate Robert Dornbos won, and totally dominated the championship. So, so in the end, you know, I didn't lose any money on it, put it that way. But Helmut was happy because his driver won and, you know, it suited me. And at the time.


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[Assistant] I then won the Formula 3000 Championship for three years in a row and the team championship. And I was thinking, right, okay.


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[Assistant] 2004. So Bernie Eccleston, who I'd been representing the former 3000 teams for, the helmet actually nominated me to represent the teams with Bernie to negotiate prize funds and bits and pieces. Bernie basically said, you need to be doing Formula One and I want to find a solution for Eddie Jordan's team.


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[Assistant] You know, this was an opportunity I was looking at potentially. So we did all the due diligence on, on Jordan and the he'll just, typical Eddie became more and more complicated. I'd got some backing in the pipeline from Hutchinson Wampoa, but the more you look, the more complex it came.


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[Assistant] I think I offered him one pound for it in the end to take on the liability that he had that he went absolutely ballistic about. I remember having him ranting on the phone at me because I, you know, the more you looked, the more stones you lifted, the more issues you found.


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[Assistant] It wasn't, you know, if he was prepared to do a deal at that level then, then...


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[Assistant] You know, to basically get rid of the liability. And during that process, Helmut introduced me to Dietrich because Red Bull at the time were looking at


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[Assistant] Buying a team in Formula One. They've been a sponsor of Christian Clean at Jaguar. They've been involved as a shareholder at Sauber, but


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[Assistant] You know, they were keen to get involved in Formula One. So initially I met Dietrich, uhm,


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[Assistant] At the end of the summer in 2004 and he was half interested in the Jordan, you know, scenario.


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[Assistant] So Helmut, yeaah, he was the inter, in, in, in, intermediary. And anyway, but he then said, he made it quite clear, no, look, we, we want to go.


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[Assistant] The Jaguar route, we feel that's a better proposition for us. Keep us informed with how the Jordan thing goes. The Jordan thing...


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[Assistant] At, uh, what was now Red Bull that they acquired in November, 2004. And so by December.


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[Assistant] I said, look, the Jordan thing is dead. And he said, well, why don't you come and have a chat with us, with Dietrich about what we're doing.


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[Assistant] And so, literally just before Christmas 2004.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was just turning 31 years of age. So, you know, and Jaguar had scored nine points the previous year. And so Dietrich gave me the opportunity. And again, he made me a very low offer in terms of remuneration, but said, I'll pay you a bonus for each point that you score.


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[Assistant] And, uh, based on the fact that, as I say, Jagger had only scored nine points the previous year. We scored 12 points at the first Grand Prix in Australia.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and went on to score I think 34 points that, that first year. But it was, it was really through Helmut introducing me to Dietrich and then Dietrich having the, the balls to,


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[Assistant] Go with a 31 year old, um, and, uh, given the keys to his new asset, this, this Formula One team. And, you know, as I say, it was initially a, it was a two year contract and I started at, at, uh, Red Bull on January the 4th, I think it was 2005.


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[Assistant] You can see through everything that the rebel have done. They've had a great policy of backing youth and investing in youth, whether it's drivers, whether it's within the company and.


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[Assistant] You know, he gave me that chance and, you know, he...


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[Assistant] Uhm, obviously it's seen what I've done in Forma 3000.


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[Assistant] Uhm, listen, obviously Helmut played a key role in that as well. And, you know, he was bold enough to, to, to give me a chance. And because I was unheard of in Formula One, you know, people knew who I was and what I'd done from the Formula 3000 activities. But in Formula One, nobody had, you know, I was just a 31 year old hopeful.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, I've worked with him for 15 years now and, you know, he's still got exactly the same energy that he had.


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[Assistant] When I first started is enthusiasm for Formula One, for the team, it's commitment, passion, you know, drive. It runs all the way through Red Bull and you know, he's an infectious guy to, to be around. Yeah, I think that there's obviously you build trust in any relationship over a period of time.


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[Assistant] To be an independent team relying on commercial income.


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[Assistant] In Formula One today, it's impossible. You look at great teams like Williams and McLaren that are desperately struggling.


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[Assistant] And I think, you know, Red Bull, the Formula One team is a marketing tool. It's the prime marketing tool within the Red Bull organization. And so, you know, where I've been fortunate is to.


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[Assistant] To be able to, to focus on building and operating a team. Of course there's financial.


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[Assistant] Faces independent, it was the model of Formula One today.


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[Assistant] Doesn't work, uhm, and that's something that, obviously, Liberty really need to get their arms around, uhm, for the next Concord agreement.


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[Assistant] 22 different departments and there's all the pressures of running a business that's in a high performing, high tech, you know, industry and then every other weekend from March to November, we're judged very publicly in front of


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[Assistant] You know, the world's media and, and, and following, um, you know, fans on TV and however people watch races these days, um, you know, on our sporting performance.


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[Assistant] I think it's, I think it's used as an XUF. I look at how critical McLaren were of Honda who were being paid to use their engine, get a, get a free engine.


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[Assistant] Paying for their drivers, whatever else. It was nowhere near in comparison. We're paying for a product. And I think the problem is, it becomes very easy for a Mercedes or a


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[Assistant] Ferrari to use it as an excuse, but they don't want to supply Red Bull an engine because of the competitiveness and potentness of our team.


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[Assistant] And you can understand, I'd probably be the same in their position. Why on earth would you want to give one of your main competitors, one of your biggest assets? You wouldn't want to do it. And so coming up with any excuse to avoid it is, is what these guys are very good at.


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[Assistant] I started casting when I was 12. I think I had that, that passion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, of just wanting to whether it was building your own go-kart to race down the back hill.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was, it was always a fascination by speed or how many bricks you could jump over on your BMX, you know, bike on the ramp that you'd make that ended up in A&E a couple of times. And it was competing, you know, wanting to compete. So anyway, my mother helped me get this go kart that then turned out to be, it was a,


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[Assistant] So there was a go kart track or kart track just outside Banbury in Shennington.


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[Assistant] Boom, this world of carting over to me that you can race these things and, and, and, you know, anyway, so that's how, how, how we started.


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[Assistant] And I started racing and at the time there were drivers like, you know, David Coulthard, he was the top junior and, and there were some great drivers. I never actually raced against DC because he was two years older than me. But I remember being at races that he was at.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ralph Furman that went to race in Formula One, Richard Westbrook, I think he might be even still racing. So yeah, there was some, you know, some, some great drivers and Jenson Button was a few years younger, Daniel Weldon.


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[Assistant] I won a scholarship from karting, so I won a Renault scholarship to go from driving karts into Formula Renault.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I moved into Formula Renault for John Booth's team in Manomotor Sport.


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[Assistant] And John was a great guy to drive for. It was a deal that was done on a handshake.


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[Assistant] And he was competitive guy. He wanted to win. He ran a really neat little team and Pedro de la Rosa was the.


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[Assistant] The main competitor that year driving in a Marlborough sponsored minister car. And I was the rookie and, and.


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[Assistant] If, uh, if a bit more experience, I think, you know, it would have been a different story. Who knows? I might have gone on to drive for Jordan and Arrows and McLaren. But, uh, you know, it was, it was a fun year. And then suddenly, you know, you start to get a bit recognized, offers start coming in.


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[Assistant] I was then asked to go and drive for Lotus in their Formula 3 team.


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[Assistant] You know, I drove in Class B in 93 and...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I won five races that year and then Formula 3 the next year in a stellar year against Magnusson, but Jan Magnusson, Kevin's dad.


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[Assistant] Formula 3. Formula 3, yes. And I was then determined to do Formula 3000. Ironically, uhm, I had an amount of sponsorship and I had this one sponsor.


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[Assistant] Called Elizabeth the Chef. And they made cream cakes in Asda and Safeways and say it was celebration cakes.


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[Assistant] And the owner, I remember sat down with me and he said, look Christian, we can afford to pay a little bit more money if this cake, this celebration cake, you know, works alright. And he said, we've, we've done a deal with a band, a girl group.


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[Assistant] Called the Spice Girls. And uh, if this cake sells, we'll be able to pay you a bit more money.


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[Assistant] So anyway, of course it was mid 90s or 96, 97 that this was going on, which is at the height of their success or just as they were about to explode. These cakes sold out.


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[Assistant] In minutes, you know, nationwide, they couldn't produce enough cakes, there was that many birthday cakes going out. Which was fantastic because it meant that, you know, uh.


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[Assistant] And I never, I never meant, I was just grateful for these girls that were generating enough cake sales to, to, to help my sponsorship. So indirectly, as it turns out that my wife actually indirectly financed part of my career. And so yeah, they were a sponsor of mine in


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[Assistant] And, uh, we were testing at Estoril. And when you came out of the pit lane in Estoril, there was a very fast right hand corner. Uhm, and I remember one Pablo Montoya.


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[Assistant] Coming past me into this right hand corner and just seeing the energy in this car that was pretty much completely sideways, completely flat out, totally committed.


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[Assistant] The rear wheel rim trying to pop through the sidewall of the tyre. And there's a wall and barrier about


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[Assistant] Don't be an idiot. I knew, I just recognized at that point, and that was even before the season had started.


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[Assistant] I couldn't do, I could be quick in the slow corners, uh, but when it came to that commitment, I just didn't have that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just love speed. I love competing. I loved competition, but I really enjoyed


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[Assistant] You know, I drove, I was fortunate to drive for some good teams like John Booth team, you know, and so on. And the thing that was consistent about it all was, it was, it was a people business. And if,


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[Assistant] If you could get the right people and everybody was working together, great things were possible.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I, I left school when I was 18. I made a deal with my parents that I'd take a year out, having done what we call in the UK, A levels.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm sure they had a bit of fun along the way as well, but they, you know, they, they put in the hours to come out with the grades and whatever else. And then I get given an honorary degree. It totally pissed them off. They were so pissed off that, that, you know, I'd never been to university in my life.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so they get made a, an honorary doctorate of Cranfield University, which I was incredibly generous of them.


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[Assistant] I think being a driver, you're always slightly different. You could say you're part of a team, but...


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[Assistant] You know, a driver's existence is also a very selfish one where.


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[Assistant] The team will talk about the team, the driver will maybe talk about the team, but really he's only interested in his own performance, his own aspirations. And I think


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[Assistant] Yeah, Daniel, it's a great shame that he's chosen to, to leave the team.


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[Assistant] But I think, I guess in his mind, he's felt that, you know, after five years that he feels and he needs a new, a new challenge, a new prospectus. And I think that, you know, obviously he's chosen to join, join the Renault team that he feels are in the ascendancy. Obviously he's been.


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[Assistant] He knows the Renault product very well from, you know, all his time that he spent with us.


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[Assistant] The competition between he and Max is intense. Max is growing stronger and stronger.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think that, that Daniel's just decided that the timing is right for him to check out and try something else.


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[Assistant] You know, Daniel said that he decided after a long flight to America that he decided that he wanted a change. Now you look at the rational reasons for that.


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[Assistant] Take on, you know, in his words, a new challenge, but I also feel that


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[Assistant] You know, he sees Max growing and growing, uh, in terms of speed and strength and, and he doesn't want to play, uh,


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[Assistant] Then, and it's just felt like that. And in the end of the day, we gave Daniel everything that he wanted to last for. And it.


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[Assistant] Still wasn't enough I think in his, his mind to say that I want to keep going at Red Bull. So it wasn't about money, it wasn't about status, it wasn't about position or commitment or duration. I think he felt that


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[Assistant] You know, I need to, I need to take something else on at this stage in my career now. It might be an inspired choice. It might be one that he regrets. Don't think so. I think, you know, he knows.


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[Assistant] Not at all, not at all. I was, I thought he was winding me up to be honest. He rang me literally yesterday afternoon to say, I'm going to Renault. So you, this is a wind up for the summer holidays.


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[Assistant] So I think we're just going to sit back and just look, evaluate what the situation is. Also see what comes out of, you know, it's an incredibly attractive car to be driving. I don't think we're going to be short of requests and offers.


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[Assistant] I think we'll look at everything, but I think that the preferred route will be very much to invest as has been so successful in home talent.


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[Assistant] You know, signs, gas, they're all products that have...


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[Assistant] You know, both of those guys are very quick drivers, so uhm.


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[Assistant] Look at the options available to us and make sure we make the right decision for the team. I remember when, when Mark Webber left in 2013, it was going to be a


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[Assistant] Gonna be a disaster, and we considered Kimi Raikkonen, we considered all the drivers, but in the end it came to a...


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[Assistant] The concern we had about him was his race craft, because you hadn't seen him race anybody. You know, he could qualify the car alright.


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[Assistant] And then ironically it turned out from the moment you got in the car that you never stopped overtaking people. So, so it just goes to show until you put, give somebody the chance in your own environment, sometimes quite difficult to gauge.


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[Assistant] I've got huge respect for Fernando, I mean he's a great driver, he's a fantastic driver, but I think...


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[Assistant] Be very difficult to see, you know, he's tended to cause a bit of chaos wherever he's gone. I'm not sure that it would be the healthiest thing for the team. Uhm, you know, for Fernando to join the team. So I think our preference.


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[Assistant] You know, would be to continue to invest in youth, then take a driver who's obviously close to the end of his career.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he grew with the team and, you know, he produced some fantastic performances and when he got into a position at the front of a race, you know, his ability to control LeBron pre-manage.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think at Red Bull it was arguably a more relaxed atmosphere. It hasn't got the nation's hopes resting on his shoulders. Uhm, and Ferrari obviously is a different beast to operate, you know, within. Uhm, fear-based.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, in a very different environment from the outside looking in. So, and you can see that Sebastian has, he carries that pressure and.


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[Assistant] Ricardo, uhm, Verstappen could have ended up over the next, next couple of years because I think it was very difficult for Mark to accept at the time. And I think if he looked back at it now, uhm, with perspective and honesty, Sebastian was just quicker.


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[Assistant] And so therefore Mark would use whatever tool he could to try and get under his skin.


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[Assistant] Mark was a great competitor. He's a ruthless competitor. He'd read every mind management game in the book in the business. One of his heroes was Roy Keane, you know. So, you know, Mark would use whatever he could, whatever tool he could to try and ruffle.


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[Assistant] You know, Sebastian. And if that meant using the team to do that, he would do that. And I think that...


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[Assistant] You know, as a team, we were just trying to play us.


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[Assistant] Straight back, but you know, can you get a missile coming in and the situation got tougher and tougher. Of course, you know, it probably culminated end of 2012 when Sebastian was fighting Alonso for the championship and.


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[Assistant] And Marc squeezed him up against the pit wall on the start of the race in Brazil in the championship desire, decided that ultimately resulted in him.


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[Assistant] Getting turned around by Bruno Senna and blah, blah, blah. And that was really, Sebastian was hugely angry about that. Were you? Uhm, yes. Uhm, because we discussed it before the race that Mark wasn't in the championship. Uhm, you know, it was everything, do everything possible to support your teammate.


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[Assistant] Literally two races later, split by about five months or four months, but uhm, you know, so then you've got a situation where you've got Mark in the car ahead, Sebastian on new car, tyres on the car behind, the tyres were pretty fragile, we're telling them, right, hold position, and Sebastian thought, fuck you.


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[Assistant] And uh, and so that was a, that was a, you know, probably about as tense as it could, as it could get.


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[Assistant] I don't know what you could do to be honest with you with that. I mean, Mark, was it great? And he drove some fantastic races on his day. You know, there was races in Monaco in 2010.


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[Assistant] Barcelona, that year, Nürburgring, 2009, spring to mind, Silverstone, uhm, I think it was 2011.


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[Assistant] He drove some phenomenal Grand Prix's. He was untouchable. I think for Mark what he struggled with was


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[Assistant] Maintaining that level and his best chance in 2010, leading the world championship in career in the wet.


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[Assistant] He's pulling away at a second a lap from all the cars behind him.


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[Assistant] I was just so obsessed by Sebastian was pulling away ahead of him. You know, he dropped the car and that was.


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[Assistant] Fantastic chance for him to win that, that world championship.


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[Assistant] You know, looking back on it, it was, there were bits of it that were uncomfortable, but overall it was a...


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[Assistant] Part of the team's, you know, growing experience and it was fun and we, you know, we, we get on well now and, and.


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[Assistant] A racing driver, no. I'm stupid enough to drive a good wood every now and again in the revival and whenever I do that I think, why on earth?


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[Assistant] Did I agree to do that? You know, phenomenally valuable cars around a track that's still got 1960s safety standards, but it's just a fantastic event. And yeah, the thrill is still driving the cars. We're all fans of the sport. That's why, whether you're a journalist or a team principal, you have to love the sport, um, and have a passion about it. Otherwise, why bother? Why would you do it?


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[Assistant] You know, she's just my wife, so I forget. Uhm, but, uh.


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[Assistant] She's a national icon in many respects. So, so, uhm, and, you know, she's tremendously supportive. She's, uhm, she understands some of the pressures and particularly the pressures of travelling and being away from home and so on and she's, she's tremendously supportive and, you know,


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[Assistant] Being an artist like she, you know, has been...


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[Assistant] It's not so different to being a driver, you know, the highs and the lows.


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[Assistant] She can sort of relate to those, those pressures, those situations. So, but you know, we lead a pretty normal life, other than when you go out for dinner and people are, uh, nudging, mainly her for a, for a picture or whatever, but it's, um, uh, yeah.


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[Assistant] You know, there's no better weekend off than being at home with the children and animals, you know, for me.


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[Assistant] Home is a bit of a sanctuary. You, as soon as you shut the door, try and leave Formula One behind you. And uhm, because, you know, with, with family, you try and make sure that you're present. You know, it's no fun for them if you're just constantly on the phone all the time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, uh, yeah, look, you know, I love the children, uhm, and spending time with them. It's, it's, it's really rewarding because we travel a lot, a lot of time away from home that, you know, when you do get time. So there's this two week break of having a week in Cornwall, just messing around on a,


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[Assistant] Uh, a surfboard or whatever we'll do down there or, you know.


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[Assistant] Buckets and spades and all the rest of it or swimming lessons or whatever. It's just great fun and it's the most rewarding thing. More than winning a Grand Prix. It's a better feeling than winning a Grand Prix by spending time with your family.


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[Assistant] Hosted by the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh, which I expect there to be about 200 people at. Uhm, and there turned out to be 10 of us.


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[Assistant] This was at Buckingham Palace back in 2012.


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[Assistant] No, it was 2013, because it was just after the multi-21 scenario. I had this bizarre situation of having to deal with the drivers and then to go to lunch with the Queen and Prince Philip and explain to her


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[Assistant] With the Queen, and she seemed to show great interest, uh, in it and likened it to horse racing. And Prince Philip was incredibly interested as well, because he's quite a...


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[Assistant] He was inquiring whether we could have a look at one of his carriages that he...


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[Assistant] Walks of life, there's a mathematician there, there's somebody from the Navy, there's somebody that...


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[Assistant] And then, I think, I didn't know whether that was a sussing out moment or not, but shortly after that, I got informed about, uhm,


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[Assistant] The Honours Award, which was a phenomenal privilege and, uh, yeah, something I'm very proud of.


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[Assistant] The ceremony itself all goes in a bit of a blur, so you turn up at Bitbucking Palace, Prince Charles was handing out the gongs that day.


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[Assistant] I've met him about four or five times now and every time he says exactly the same thing to me. Who on earth pays for all this?


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[Assistant] It's so expensive. It's so expensive. I met him the other day at a Prince's Trust thing and uh, how's Red Bull doing blah blah blah. Who on earth pays for it all? So,


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[Assistant] That was quite fun, but look, I'm a big fan of the Royal Family, they do some fantastic stuff.


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[Assistant] On a regular basis, and it's an interesting time in Formula One at the moment where the regulations are going, where the sport is going. But, you know, I'm 44 years of age.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and, you know, I've got a few years left for me yet as a, as a team principal.


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[Assistant] Uuuh. Jesus. I got gear questions. Oh. Get after it. Send it. Uh, there's a sling that you...


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[Assistant] But my question about it too is that, was, cause I don't know, I mean like the Vickersling is similar, like whatever, but it's got the pull tab, like the quick adjustment that we use. I think yours is the quick to shoot technology.


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[Assistant] Is that one of the earlier, like is that one of the first slings to, on the consumer market to, to use that? Cause I mean now, that's what we all use. Man, I don't even know, uh,


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[Assistant] I always, I just, I never understood the camp of like, I need a quick detach thing, other than, I guess if you're putting it in a safe or whatever, that kind of stuff, admin type stuff, but like,


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[Assistant] He looks like, he looks like Travis Haley. But he's not the actual son. That was just the running joke of, cause they look similar, so they're like, oh that's true.


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[Assistant] I just walk right through. Are you familiar with the Black Triangle group stuff at all? Similar idea, it's just a whole catalog of G10 tools. Uhm, and they've got one that's actually, I think it's their most overlooked tool, but it's a


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[Assistant] They did it during COVID, it's a, they call it the touch tool, but you were seeing people open door handles with these long hooks or whatever, but you flip it around and you've got a hard point at the end.


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[Assistant] Well the video thing specifically is cool because you see it in these, like, I know a lot of guys that are, uh,


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[Assistant] Every year they go get their golf swing videotaped and then a coach is like, here's like, so you can see it as opposed to them just saying like, Hey, you're holding this a little too high or whatever. You can actually see, Oh yeah, I am fucking that up. So that's, that's a cool take on, on cause why not in the shooting industry or why not?


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[Assistant] That was like, Nick talked about it in the Africa episode, but he shot a Wildebeest, started at 560, and the last shot he put on it was at 660. Up and down, different elevation, like, it's never going to go the way you want it to go.


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[Assistant] Well one thing, I mean you, we've talked about it a little bit and you've talked about getting kind of, when people ask, well what should I do to get spun up if I'm going to go to Africa? Or like this big extravagant hunt, I'm going to pay a bunch of money, I'm going to go do it. And we talk about


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[Assistant] Right, and we're trying to get it, get a shot, and you gotta sit there for 12, 13, 14 minutes, dick's in the dirt, not moving, cause it's looking right at you, and you don't want it to go, you just chased it for three hours, so, and then you start getting the walls, whatever, and then you're more apt to just float around, or whatever.


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[Assistant] I think a lot of people aren't necessarily, I think there's a two ends of the spectrum where some people are willing, they'll just grab any piece of gear to add on that they can because they think it's going to give me the advantage and then there are people that won't.


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[Assistant] Necessarily grab gear, cause they think, ah, it's too much shit, I don't want to have to mess around with it, but like, there's a happy medium, just having a rear bag, or like, you saw Jared with that game changer on the, on the tripod, like just having something, some sort of support, cause people will be like, I got a bipod, that's good enough.


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[Assistant] It's such simple things, simple points to build up decent marksmanship. And it literally comes down to points of contact.


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[Assistant] If you can get an extra point of contact just to support yourself, you're exponentially, uh, you have an exponentially higher chance of hitting what you're going to shoot. And it's, I think, like, it was cool to see when we went to Griffin and Howe and we did all that stuff, like, watching dudes who do that


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[Assistant] Professionally, like PRS stuff or whatever. Just seeing their instinct, like instinctually the rest of us are gonna get down in a certain position. But then you see these guys and you're like, that looks fucking stupid.


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[Assistant] They have six points of contact on whatever they're doing, like shooting off a hood. Guys not only squaring up, but then getting themselves against the car and leaning over like just little shit and you're like, fuck, that guy's not missing.


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[Assistant] When you say two and gun, are you taping them together? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not for men like me though. Hey, having hair would be cool a lot of the time, but you know, really when it's really cold or it's sunny.


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[Assistant] Otherwise, I don't mind being bald. I just wish it would all fall out so I don't have to shave that little, that little remnants, the little, the little hat brim around the edge I got going there.


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[Assistant] No! It would, it'd give me a headache. I'm not into that. That's true.


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[Assistant] I'm okay with, I don't even know, but I tell you what, being bald my entire adult life, if I could, oh man, if I could grow hair now, I'd probably never cut it.


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[Assistant] What about you? Why do you have long hair? Because it seems like a tactical disadvantage.


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[Assistant] This is interesting. These choices, like, you know, God made my choice, I guess. That's okay. Or genetics. Whoever you want to blame. Uhm. I wouldn't be gun Jesus.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't want to give that name up, I tell you what. That's right. Gun Jesus. So you think, cause you have some followers. How many uhm, alright, so Ian's Forgotten Weapons, the most prolific gun videos in the history of the YouTubes. 2800 videos, is that what you've done? Give or take at this moment?


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[Assistant] 2.4 million for gun videos, and most of it is stuff I've never even heard of. Hopefully. Yeaah, it's awesome. That's awesome. Yeaah, I was, cause most of your videos are what, like 10 minutes? Yeaah, I try to aim for 8 to 12.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was actually, I'm so interested in like your story and all. We sat down, like obviously I remember we're doing a book. I didn't remember it today. I'm just thinking about like all the stuff I want to ask you because it's fascinating to me, like early adopter of the YouTubes.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, 30 years ago it was different, but now, yeaah, just being able to afford stuff that you can afford. And, and you said you've got like a couple hundred French rifles, like, that's a lot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so to be able to afford that, if that were all the rare German stuff or something, forget about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's interesting when, when I got into guns in the later 80s, early 90s.


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[Assistant] That long ago, like I saw a real rise in prices about the time private Ryan came out the late nineties. Stuff got really expensive. German stuff, US military, world war two stuff.


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[Assistant] The Luger sucks. I mean, the Luger's cool. It sucks, though.


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[Assistant] Oh. Well how, uh, where'd you grow up? You grew up in Colorado. Yea, Denver. Denver. So how'd you get into guns? Uh, my dad collected them.


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[Assistant] Beautiful gun, full wood stock, the shroud, the finish is immaculate. The gun is wonderful. And then when you get to like the, what are they? A 38, 42, 42 and 43. Oh, they just look like a kindergartner made them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they just, I mean, it's like every month they eliminated a feature or process on the guns and you see the stock get that way, the gun get that way, the barrels.


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[Assistant] And yeah, so if you don't need to make all that and it's a lot of moving parts, a lot of small parts, it's a delicate part of the firearm. I mean, I think to some degree, like I don't want to make crude stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so why, why should it be on the gun that replaces it? You know, cause it's not, it's not designed for the same purposes that led, you know, Stoner or the U.S. military to decide to put a dust cover on that gun. You know, this was designed to be a submachine gun you could shoot people far away with.


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[Assistant] And I asked him about forward assist once. And, cause I think the army wanted it at one point on the M110.


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[Assistant] The name of the program now actually, and he's like, if you have a round, that's not going to go into the chamber, you know, on its own, like why would you cram it in there? It's like, this is a precision gun. This isn't a battle rifle.


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[Assistant] And, and that in his mind was the reason like it shouldn't be on that rifle.


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[Assistant] Okay, so the sight thing, that's dumb. The forward assist thing, I can at least understand the argument of, okay, so we're going to stop moving parts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, someone at some point. Cause that's a bullseye on the board assist, the circles. That's some sort of knurling or whatever.


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[Assistant] I enjoy the fact that when I'm going hunting, that I'm gonna shoot live animals, that I've trained a lot and practiced a lot, and I feel more confident, and when I feel more confident, I know I shoot better.


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[Assistant] That's funny, I hadn't heard this one, I like it though. Well, your, your dad collected the Japanese stuff. Yep, Arasaka's. Wrote a book on


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[Assistant] She was framed. Yeah, she was. Ah, god. That's kinda cool. What a weird disaster that was. But, I don't know, both of those things make perfect sense, knowing you now. Yeah, we saw your figure skating outfit.


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[Assistant] It's the hair. The hair goes with it. That's what it is. Uhm, well that's interesting. So, so what'd you do? You grow up, were you into shooting then?


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[Assistant] I went to Purdue. Yeah. Boilermakers. Yep. Why did you go to Purdue? Cause that's southern Indiana, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] That seems way better than going to work for a commercial company building airpoints.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, napkin airplanes. Oh, I'd rather, I'd rather fucking land safely. I don't know what you guys are doing this morning. Jeez, pulling stuff out of the evidence locker again.


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[Assistant] And this was your route to million dollars? No, this was my route to not


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[Assistant] Okay, so at this point, you never really, you had a job, you didn't have a,


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[Assistant] Let me ask you, so when you graduate and you go


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[Assistant] To Northern Arizona off the grid, what were your parents saying or thinking?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, you know, I absolutely don't worry about my son starving to death. And in America, like you have to try to starve to death. Like I don't even know how you would do it. But I do, I only worry about him putting himself in a situation to have.


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[Assistant] A stressful or anxiety filled just unhappy life. Like I don't worry about like.


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[Assistant] You know, basic things like him eating or having shelter. It's just like, you know, the stuff I think that really ruins your life in America. We're so spoiled as you just make, you know, we have the ability because it's so comfortable here to make stupid fucking joy.


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[Assistant] Man, I've tried smacking them, burning them with cigarettes, you name it. He didn't work, does what he wants to do. Christine, that's a joke. Everyone. Christine's our attorney.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, I mean, it is true. You know, for me, it was part of starting a company. Part of starting Q was to show, like, I realized, you know, I had my children. I mean, I wasn't really young. Like, I think I had Aidan when I was 30, maybe 31.


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[Assistant] You know, like I was relatively successful then, like financially. And so my kids grew up, you know, in a big house like this, they had nannies, you know, we had a lake.


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[Assistant] When you realize they get a little older and, you know, they're whatever, 10, 11, 12 and.


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[Assistant] Like they were just born rich. They don't understand like what the 20 years prior to that, you know, or 15 years, what went into, you know, and then just getting lucky. So like starting Q was another way to show my kids, Hey, you know, like I can't teach you a lot of shit. I don't know, but.


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[Assistant] Being an entrepreneur and if you, you know, if you have a good idea, you work hard to do these things, you can start something from nothing. You know, you don't, if you want to work for somebody too, that's great.


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[Assistant] In Maine? Yes. It's funny in Africa too, in the Eastern Cape where we all go hunt and...


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[Assistant] You know, he grew up in Northeast South Africa near Mozambique. It's hot. It's relatively flat. It's pretty lush. He had never been to the Eastern Cape. He didn't even know there were mountains there. I was like, how do you not know there's mountains here?


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[Assistant] And so he's terrified of heights and then, you know, 6,000 feet elevation. It gets cool in the evenings and in the mornings. Oh yea. You know, even in Africa. I think he can only pack shorts too. Oh yea. He's bummin'. I've never seen him in pants. No, me neither.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've hunted in the snow there in Africa. How weird is that? And, but Thomas, you also weigh about 25, like you cold in the summer.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Oh, the house. I mean, you guys saw, it's almost finished. It's really coming together. It's coming together. It's coming together. Did you guys see the land cruise I just got?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't, is that what red has? Yeah. So it's that. So instead of the V8, I have the six cylinder turbo diesel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's cool. So I'm excited about that. Cause I was, I was over there, Andrew's always been like, you don't need your own car. You're only here a few months out of the year. You just use one of mine.


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[Assistant] And uh, you know, it's like every time we're over there, one of them's in the shop, like Rasta's having to use, yeah, Rasta crashes one in the river. Julia's car is getting serviced and it, and there's like, Andrew doesn't have a car. He's riding a dirt bike around. I'm like, what car am I going to use of yours?


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[Assistant] So this time I was just like, uhm, I'd like my own vehicle, please. Can we get that done? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't think he'll let you drive again. So I was jumping all the th- I know he sent me a thing this morning, like his exhaust is all leaking and all this stuff from- Oh, a crack in the manifold. A crack in the manifold. And so they're covering it under warranty. Damn.


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[Assistant] It's really obnoxious. You're right, thinking about it, cause I started, you know, when I started studying guns and all, before the internet.


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[Assistant] Or before I ever knew about it. And so it was like small arms of the world. And you're right. You have to.


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[Assistant] Actually read, and my reading comprehension's not great, so you have to read how these actions, but yeah, that's... And what I realized is... That's a strange way to do it.


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[Assistant] How long did it take you to get to 100,000 subscribers?


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[Assistant] Uhm, subscribers are international. Is the German stuff just internationally the most, you know, popular stuff?


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[Assistant] Where do you get like a lot of hate or like what a spike in comments or what's?


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[Assistant] So you get a lot, I bet he gets a lot of the, you know, he covers a certain type of gun or firearm and, you know, the 12 guys that think they know the most about it.


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[Assistant] You know what's cool about that, Madsen?


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[Assistant] They had them in inventory. I just thought it was such a, like I've got one in such a fascinating con. Like let's clam shell it. Put the mag loader inside and all. What a weird thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, we're not doing them in Danish. So, whatever. Make your own videos. Get your own club. Start your own YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] Two really good shots. What was the average engagement distance that you guys were all?


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[Assistant] That was like you, when they said 0680 you were just ready to poke out?


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[Assistant] I don't eat. That's a whole nother podcast. And, and nice Mexican loggers.


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[Assistant] No, it was underneath it. And then he scattered a little bit and then he settled down and then I dropped him. One shot. Two shots.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was pretty open and flat, not a whole lot of incline, so it was, and we had just come from, it was kind of pretty good conditions, that's why I stayed calm, because we had just come from the range that they had set up, so we were just plinking plates from 300 out to 1000, so I was actually very confident in that shot. Towards the end of the trip, like,


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[Assistant] Little bit less, like, be more, be more reserved with your shots, but like, we had just come from the range, I was set up real good, and I was like, I can make the shot all day. I mean, I didn't.


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[Assistant] Jared Joplin took a video of it, it was pretty funny, but I'm just like, just get this rush over my body.


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[Assistant] Weird feeling, but just like adrenaline and just like my skin was warm and I was just like, uuuh.


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[Assistant] Is this what this feels like? I was like, so amped up. It felt so good. And then, Seppi told me to get out of the truck and follow the tracker. And I was like, alright, let's keep him like within 200 yards from now on. Because with the altitude and everything, I get out there and Desmond's like, this is it.


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[Assistant] And, and I was just absolutely dead. And then I look up and I look around and I'm like, if Desmond wasn't here, I'd be like, I'd just sit down and just be like, this is where I died.


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[Assistant] It definitely wore down on me a little bit by the end of the wait. Like, it didn't feel that much at the beginning, obviously. But after a couple of days of lugging that thing around, it's just like, man, I kinda wish I had a 16.


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[Assistant] Amazon, it's not even mine, I think Ethan bought it, just some Amazon Atlas knockoff and right before we go, Collin's like, sees my gun as I'm packing and he's like, you're not taking that thing, are you? I was like, yea, and he went and gave me his. That's good looking out, Collin. Yea, and I really appreciate it because it made a difference not having to fumble with it for


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[Assistant] Yes, but still felt a little slow to deploy, like I missed a baboon because I couldn't get the legs out in time and it was, it was like. The Atlas looks good and all and it's a fine bipod. And it's relatively light compared to the Harris. No, it's the same as the Harris. Really? Yeah, that's the funny thing is because it looks lighter.


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[Assistant] And it's not like you can't wear plugs, like, day one I had, like, I got these custom molded ones, but then I can't hear shit, so I can't hear the pH telling me which one to shoot if it's okay to shoot.