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[Assistant] Well, Facebook is like canceling people offline because they're conservatives or because whatever. We need to start a group. And so that was the launch of American Contingency to use as a form and mechanism for people to connect. And we have groups all over the country. Like I just met with a group


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[Assistant] At Greg Anderson's place, buddy of mine in PNW, and PNW was like, I mean, the hotbed for all this drama that was unfolding.


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[Assistant] But a group came out to see me, cause I go around the country teaching.


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[Assistant] And it was a group of doctors, lawyers, mechanics, and they basically built their own


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[Assistant] Operational detachment of capability and assets working with each other. They have family barbecues. They go out to the range together. They do TCCC. The doctors are teaching first aid and trauma. Uhm, there's financial people who are given financial advice. And people are like, the government would look at that and go, that's a militia.


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[Assistant] I would look at that and go, that's resilient Americans. And so, uhm, if the red dawn ever does happen, we want a capable, uhm, group of communities across the nation that are capable of taking care of themselves.


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[Assistant] If it doesn't come, what we're building is resilience in America where people can depend on each other. And that's the key here. I mean, all the things, I mean, it's funny because we did this for a living. By with and through.


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[Assistant] For me, I don't want to be the commander of American contingency.


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[Assistant] I started it and it runs itself. Tom and the, and the team at American Contingency run this.


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[Assistant] These groups are organically building themselves up. We are just giving them the tools and the template for how to do it properly and ethically. And what we're seeing is a profound group of Americans coming together. And that's what American contingency is about.


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[Assistant] A Facebook group that you belong to isn't your network and your asset and your family or your friends. You actually have to get out and meet these people in real life, shake their hands and go, hey, let's build relationships. That's what American Contingency is all about.


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[Assistant] Yeah, PhilCraftSurvival.com is, is, is the main website. There will be, uhm, an application for virtual education. All things from canning and jarring to self-defense to mobility. All the things that we talk about in the book that will be released that same day.


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[Assistant] On all eight major channels, it's like Roku, Samsung, Apple TV, all the things, cause we want you to have the ability to interact.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that would be releasing the same day. Uh, if people are interested in everything that we're doing, most of the things that we offer,


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[Assistant] You're interested in? Go to the website, attend training, do the online application, do all the things. My goal and objective is


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[Assistant] I want a Phil Craft Survival Firebase or Outpost. Firebase's company owned Outpost is like a hybrid version of it in every major city in every state in this country.


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[Assistant] I want the preparedness YMCA of the future, the modern version of that, to be accessible, to not only prepare people for the worst case scenario, but to build culture and community back into the fabric of our nation. That's my ultimate goal with Phil Crossover.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's mike.a.glover on Instagram and my backup is mikegloveractual because most of the stuff that I do on mike.a.glover, it gets suppressed like everything else.


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[Assistant] Wallets, RFID wallets, holsters and I would probably put guns in that category as well.


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[Assistant] So what's legitimate about this, and we teach people this in EDC, most people default to EDC as being one end all be all solution. So they say, Mike, what's your EDC pistol? And I said, what time of day is it?


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[Assistant] Which is a, uh, uh, a safety mechanism and gripping down on the gun.


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[Assistant] And it's a 9 mil, and it's not very practical as an ADC carry, except I have kids. So if my three and a half year old suddenly finds my, discovers my pistol because I neglected to keep it on person,


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[Assistant] And they pick that gun up. He doesn't have the dexterity and size of hand to actually grip down on that and break a shot. Glock 19 in the waistband single action only.


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[Assistant] There's no options there, right? One in the chamber, it's just gonna happen. So what I would say is every single facet of EDC, there's a time and place and there's an operational environment where those things apply. Like same thing with the knives.


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[Assistant] What knife do you carry as EDC? I'm like, most of the time I carry a folding blade for utility, but it, it's dual purpose is self defense. Some guys carry fixed blades for self defense as a priority over utility. I'm mostly cutting open boxes with a knife, so I focus on utility. Just like I displace a flashlight


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[Assistant] Because I don't like lights tethered to guns most of the time because most guns that I use don't have very comfortable holsters to carry. So I have options for all of the things in EDC and I would say the more options the better. It's like wearing clothes. Have plenty of options and be able to work those options into your EDC.


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[Assistant] I do that with guns. I do it backwards though, like, I, what's weird is if you're, if you live by the gun, which my profession, Jaco's profession, live by the gun.


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[Assistant] Guns don't do it for me. But you know what, do it for me. Like, you give me a lever action or a single action army cowboy gun from 1860s. Dude, I have more of those guns than I have modern guns. So I'm that guy. I have tons of cowboy guns. Western guns.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a good point because that's a tactical advantage. Most guys would use their EDC, like we differentiate EDC


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[Assistant] If you have your EDC pistol and you're using that as your home defense gun, you're wrong. If you have your, uh, EDC pistol and you're using it as your truck gun or your vehicle gun, you're wrong. Cause if you look at the ballistics, the terminal ballistics of a 9mm pistol from inside the car shooting out, not very good on glass or metal.


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[Assistant] But if you look at 300 Blackout, a pistol version of it, an AR pistol version of it, shooting through a windshield, no deviation, no factor.


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[Assistant] Those things are important to look at and there's always a tactical advantage. Like my homestead, uh, home defense weapon.


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[Assistant] It's a Sig 320 X Legion, cause I like the tungsten weight in the frame, and it's, it's got a suppressor, and it's got a light.


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[Assistant] And people are like, well I thought you didn't like lights. I don't like lights in EDC. Because I'm home before dark. Because I have two three year olds that I'm bathing and feeding before I put them, read them a bedtime, a Jocko bedtime story, before I put them to bed. So a home defense gun is going to be different. And that is all the justification for all the guys to turn to the ladies and say,


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[Assistant] Dude, I just moved, I'm moving to a staccato.


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[Assistant] Uhm, for ADC. I have 15 EDC pistols. I have a .365XL, that's currently what I'm using now, but it's single action only.


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[Assistant] My kid, my boy, I have twins, but my son is all into, he calls him choo-choos. And he loves guns.


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[Assistant] And he's like, you know, he's always been around them and I kept him unloaded on the tables on purpose so he can get immersed in them and see them. And so he's not like, ooh, what is that? He goes, oh, that's dad's choo-choo. Don't touch it. Right. And if he wants to touch it, he says, daddy, can I touch it? I said, yeah, you could touch it. You could even hold it, just point it in the right direction. It's unloaded. And I'm trying to integrate this into him.


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[Assistant] Well, if you take a single action pistol and pick it up as a four year old with the size of my kid's mitts now, he can wrap his hands around a clock 19 or that 365 XL, which is compact.


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[Assistant] I have a C, I think it's called a C2 or CS, I might be screwing this up. It's the staccato version of their everyday carry, the compact.


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[Assistant] People are like, well why would you ever go back to that? I'm like, I'm not going back to it, it's an option. Because if my kid gets his hands on that gun, he has a thumb safety and a grip safety to get through to break a shot.


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[Assistant] And for the first time, I've actually looked at 1911s and go, oh that's kinda cool, but it's kinda novel. But, cause I would never use it cause it's just, you have to work it.


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[Assistant] I am having to retrain myself on how to activate that thumb switch and grip down on the grip a certain way because I've gotten away with using a single action pistol.


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[Assistant] There's a time and place for everything and if you don't get schooled on all these systems, you'll be deficient. And I'd hate to draw that pistol, I'm gonna pull that trigger realizing I didn't even grip down on the grip safe. Or I didn't drop that thumb lever. So it's all, it's all, all important.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the military, the first one was Beretta 92F, and then we transitioned to Glock. Okay. Glock 19, Glock 17, uhm, and then every once in a while you find a 1911.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's a different pla- a double action, single action pistol only, or a single action pistol. It is very different than, I mean that length of trigger pull is long. Single action, short, but to get used to that compared to a Glock 19 out of the box, completely different.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if, if they're in a designated war zone, which is like, we're going to war, they could shoot each other, we could do the whole thing, and we're at war. But when we're just messing around, especially cause my, my gun, my son loves cowboy guns, so he loves the six shooters, and he'll walk around, and I've seen him like point the gun at people. I'm like, you don't do that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you can point it at the chickens, you can point it at the ducks, the goats, but you don't point it at anybody unless we're playing. And then he's like, okay, I get it. And, and, and it's weird,


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[Assistant] Like when you instill that into your kids at a very young age, they s- they correct themselves, and now my kids are correcting each other.


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[Assistant] And that's for my safety, cause my, I mean, my son has literally stood over me and shot me in the head with a Nerf dart. And it's like, when he, they don't know the difference between playtime and like, I'm sleeping. It's like, you need to designate, like hey, we're kickstarting this. I've also gotten good at, like I have locking boxes all over the house, I have one


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[Assistant] So, uh, you stick the gun into a holster, and it clicks, and then to get it out, you need biometrics. So I have that on my desk side, and then the other one's a box, the pine world box. You do the biometrics, you can do keypad, or you can do key.


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[Assistant] And so the real guns are locked away, loaded, but I also have unloaded guns all over the place.


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[Assistant] And, and people have asked me, like, well, don't you think that's irresponsible? No, because I am demonstrating, like, like, you want to see your kid's behavior around guns. And the more that you make it, like, this, this, uh, secretive thing, like we did, dude, I remember getting my dad's duty gun and literally pointing


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[Assistant] Hopefully it doesn't come back to haunt me. It doesn't haunt me, but I literally remember doing, like getting his gun, looking in the mirror and pointing it, and it's a loaded gun.


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[Assistant] I legitimately like opened the back and there was a railroad yard and there was scrap metal and everything and I just was like,


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[Assistant] I didn't even put a round back in that gun. And my dad just went around his business and I'm like, I mean how much of a buddy screw is that? Was it a wheel gun? What was it? It was a, it was a three, it was a concealed carry gun. I think it was an ankle gun. And it was a 380 semi-automatic pistol.


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[Assistant] No, I just want to say thank you for the opportunity. I know, uh, your audience is big into a lot of the books and recommendations that you have brought up. Uhm, as far as I know, Prepared is one of the first, I mean, there's plenty of survival genre books. Clint Emerson makes some great books in worst case scenarios. Uhm,


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[Assistant] It is, it is an honor and privilege to be able to do a book, uhm, and to be able to present it this way. Uh, so I wanna say thank you for the opportunity, and uhm, if anybody has any questions, we're, we're in open form for any, everything preparedness related. Uhm, I also wanna say,


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[Assistant] Philcraft Survival, which is my company that teaches, educates, and equips people in preparedness, is not my clubber. It is a team of hardworking people who present the conduit between experts and people.


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[Assistant] And that is an important distinction because without my team, I wouldn't be able to do anything I do. So thanks to them for getting us to this point and thank you for the opportunity.


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[Assistant] With Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening. Also joining us tonight, JP Donnell. Good evening JP. Good evening. The President of the United States of America.


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[Assistant] Authorized by Act of Congress, July 9th, 1918, it takes pleasure in presenting the Distinguished Service Cross.


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[Assistant] To Colonel William Joseph Wild Bill Donovan.


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[Assistant] United States Army for extraordinary heroism in action while serving with 165th Infantry Regiment 42nd Division in France, July 28th through the 21st, 1918.


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[Assistant] Colonel Donovan led his battalion across the river Ork and captured


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[Assistant] Important enemy strongholds. He was in advance of the division for four days.


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[Assistant] All the while, under shell of machine gun fire from the enemy, who were on three sides of him.


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[Assistant] And he was repeated repeatedly and persistently counter-attacked being wounded twice.


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[Assistant] Colonel Donovan's coolness and efficient leadership rendered possible the maintenance of this position.


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[Assistant] The President of the United States of America in the name of Congress takes pleasure in presenting the Medal of Honor to Lieutenant Colonel


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[Assistant] William Joseph Wild Bill Donovan United States Army for Extraordinary Heroism on 14 and 15 October 1918 while serving as Commanding Officer 165th Infantry 42nd Division


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[Assistant] American Expeditionary Forces in action at Londres A St. George.


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[Assistant] When he was wounded in the leg by machine gun bullets, he refused to be evacuated and continued with his unit until it withdrew to a less exposed position.


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[Assistant] The nation's two highest awards for one man. And by the way,


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[Assistant] I've written, uh, a lot of awards in my time. And you don't get to just throw someone's nickname in there. You don't get to say, Joseph, William Joseph, Wild Bill Donovan. That's insane. That's in both those official copies. Guys awarded the Distinguished Service Medal. Uhm, Medal of Honor.


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[Assistant] The National Security Medal, the Silver Star, Purple Heart for actions in World War II as well.


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[Assistant] When he was awarded the Medal of Honor, he actually received it. He was awarded it in New York City. In front of about 4,000 veterans.


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[Assistant] And what he said when he received the award was the award belonged not to him, but quote, to the boys who are not here.


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[Assistant] The boys resting under white crosses in France or in the cemeteries in New York.


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[Assistant] And he did all kinds of things after World War I and before World War II. So in between he got out of the army for a while, he became a lawyer, he kind of was a spy, he was a businessman, he was a US attorney, he ran for the governor, governorship of New York lost.


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[Assistant] Then once World War II started, he was reinstated in the Army as a Colonel.


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[Assistant] And he became, eventually became the director of the OSS, the office of strategic services, which conducted


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[Assistant] Intelligence gathering and recruiting and training of indigenous forces and sabotage and all kinds of espionage and warfare of all kinds in World War II. He was the director of that.


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[Assistant] The OSS was eventually disbanded in 1945 by Truman, but it, the beginning or the end of the OSS was where the seeds got planted for what would become the CIG, which is the Central Intelligence Group, which eventually became the CIA.


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[Assistant] Theoretically to US SOCOM, which was formed in 1987, but it also unified special operations under wonder command and US SOCOM uses the same symbol for their insignia at, at US SOCOM. And at some point,


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[Assistant] I'm sure I will do a podcast about William Donovan and about the OSS or I'll probably do a bunch of them.


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[Assistant] And I think what's so interesting about this, and basically there's a part of this, there's a part of this field manual that's very important from a leadership perspective.


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[Assistant] And almost everything in there is pertinent from a sabotage perspective. I know I went to a, I went to classes when I was in the military that were basically sabotage classes. I went to


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[Assistant] We learned about targeting, we learned about how to do this type of thing. But...


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[Assistant] You're gonna see as we talk through this, that like everything else, it applies to everything that we do. But what's interesting,


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[Assistant] I think the way that this applies, it applies almost in a reverse engineering.


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[Assistant] Way, because as you hear about how to screw things up, you can realize that you might be screwing things up that you don't want to screw up. So.


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[Assistant] Uh, so here we go. Published in 1944, Office of Strategic Services, Washington DC, 17 January 1944. So, we're talking middle of World War II. It says, the simple, this simple sabotage field manual strategic services provisional is published for the information and guidance of all concerned and will be used


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[Assistant] As the same as the basic doctrine for strategic services training for this subject the contents of this manual should be carefully controlled and should not be allowed to come into unauthorized hands.


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[Assistant] Thinking, okay, I'm just gonna not cover too much of this stuff.


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[Assistant] And we'll get to the meat of what I wanted to talk about, which is, which is towards the end, but then this is just also important. It says this, the purpose of this paper is to characterize simple sabotage to outline its possible effects and to present suggestions for inciting and executing it.


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[Assistant] Sabotage varies from highly technical coup de main acts that require detailed planning and the use of specially trained operatives to innumerable simple acts which the ordinary individual citizen saboteur can perform.


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[Assistant] And this is what I noticed when I was reading this, all this stuff and this is why I got even more into it and decided to cover it because


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[Assistant] You realize, these, when you're running sabotage, all you have to do is screw up a lot of little things.


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[Assistant] That's all you gotta do is you gotta just screw up a little thing here, little thing there, little something somewhere else, and all of a sudden, those problems compound.


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[Assistant] And it turns to just, you know, you just trash things. And sometimes they're so subtle, and that's one of the things that's so subtle, I don't even notice, I don't even notice it. Just like, hmmm.


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[Assistant] One of my old commanding officers said this. He called it the Swiss cheese effect.


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[Assistant] And what it was most when you have a safety incident, often times it's not due to one catastrophic failure. It's due to a bunch of little failures.


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[Assistant] And he, he called it the Swiss cheese effect because he said, listen, Jocko.


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[Assistant] If you take a piece of swiss cheese and you put it on a plate, and you take another piece of swiss cheese and put it on the plate and you take another piece of swiss cheese and put it on the plate, and you put four or five pieces of swiss cheese, you stack them on a plate, most likely there's not gonna be a hole that goes all the way through. But when they line up, that's when you have a problem. And that's...


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[Assistant] Oftentimes what happens when there's a safety incident. Again, if you reverse engineer that.


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[Assistant] And you are trying to make someone have a problem. All you have to do is put some holes in the Swiss cheese.


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[Assistant] Goes on to say here, this paper is primarily concerned with the latter type. Simple sabotage does not require


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[Assistant] Especially prepared tools or equipment is executed by an ordinary citizen who may or may not act individually and without the necessity for active connection with an organized group.


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[Assistant] And again, it's important to think about your life. What little things are going on in your life?


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[Assistant] The weapons of the Citizen Saboteur are salt.


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[Assistant] Threat or any other material he might normally be expected to possess as a householder or as a worker in his particular occupation. His arsenal is the kitchen self. The trash pile.


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[Assistant] A second type of simple sabotage requires no destruction, no destructive tools whatsoever, and produces physical damage.


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[Assistant] If any, by highly indirect means. It is based on universal opportunities to make faulty decisions.


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[Assistant] To adopt the non-cooperative attitude and to induce others to follow suit. This is when you start thinking it from a business perspective, when you start talking to the leadership perspective, perspective, making a faulty decision.


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[Assistant] Maybe simply a matter of placing a tool, placing tools in one spot instead of another.


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[Assistant] A non-cooperative attitude may involve nothing more than creating an unpleasant situation among one's fellow workers, engaging in bickerings or displaying surliness and stupidity. Isn't that weird? Isn't that interesting that we, that these things can cause such disruption?


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[Assistant] You think? Yeah. Uh, uh, weird? Uh, coincidental could it be?


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[Assistant] Stop. And by the way, the thing that you're so...


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[Assistant] How, how, how much of a strong sign was it that we as trade at was winning when you'd see a platoon?


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[Assistant] Start fighting each other. It was like, this is the exact example that they're talking about. When you have a platoon, and the platoon chief and the lieutenant are yelling at each other, or the LPO's yelling at the guys and they're yelling back at him, or whatever combination of chaos and bickering,


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[Assistant] That destroys a platoon. It destroys a platoon. And like you're saying, if someone can take the high ground and


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[Assistant] So you know what, actually that, that's a good point. I didn't think of that.


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[Assistant] And deescalate that situation, that platoon can then get back together and move forward towards the target.


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[Assistant] And we get to see it, I would say 50% of the time. 50% of the time, you'd have some kind of a small


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[Assistant] Conflict in the platoon that escalated to the point where it started to detriment their performance. And we talked about it.


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[Assistant] What we were doing was we were following this manual for sabotage to see if we could get that platoon to freakin' start.


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[Assistant] Sometimes referred to as the human element is frequently responsible for accidents, delays and general obstruction even under normal conditions.


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[Assistant] The potential saboteur should discover what types of faulty decisions and non-cooperation are normally found in this kind of work and then should devise his sabotage as to enlarge that margin for error. It's crazy!


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[Assistant] And my team all hated each other and your team all loved each other and got along great. Who's gonna win? He's like,


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[Assistant] And effort should be made to add to their efficiency, lessen their detectability, increase their number, access simple sabotage, multiplied by thousands of citizens, saboteurs can be an effective weapon against any enemy. Slashing tires, draining fuel tanks, starting fires, starting arguments, acting stupidly.


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[Assistant] Short circuiting electrical systems. Abrading machine parts will waste materials, manpower, and time.


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[Assistant] Why am I saying this? Why does this matter? Is anyone that's listening to this podcast right now thinking about how they're gonna slash tires and drain fuel tanks? No. No. But do you think that there's draining fuel somewhere in your life?


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[Assistant] Yeah, the energy. You think that there's energy leaking out, right? Do you think there's some short circuits going on in your life somewhere? Do you think there's some stupid acting somewhere in your life? And it's little.


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[Assistant] But then you multiply that across time and you got problems.


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[Assistant] Ahh, simple sabotage may have, also have secondary results of more or less value. Widespread practice of simple sabotage will harass and demoralize enemy administrators and police. Further success may embolden these citizen saboteurs eventually to find colleagues who can assist him in sabotage of greater dimension.


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[Assistant] Finally, the very practice of simple sabotage by natives in enemy occupied territory may make these individuals identify themselves actively with United Nations war effort and encourage them to assist openly in periods of allied invasion and occupation. So everything compounds.


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[Assistant] And these little problems that you have, they get worse. This is what happens when you, you know, you're late for work. And...


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[Assistant] The, your boss, like, is a little bit negative with you because you were late, and then you're a little bit negative back, but you're also, you were a little bit late, so now you're trying to catch up, and now you make a little mistake, and now your boss is on you because of that mistake, and he gives you a bad evaluate, and you can see where those things go wrong.


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[Assistant] You know, people, they don't know the whole thing about, we talk about self-sabotage, right? And they make self-sabotage into this thing where like, you know, I really thought I was gonna be a rock star. You know, I could, I was gonna be a rock star, but I just self-sabotaged. You know, I just, I just, you know, every time I was about to get that record deal,


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[Assistant] But to me, self-sabotage is not like, Oh, I didn't want to be so successful. So I said self-sabotage is like, Oh, I cut a corner. I didn't control my emotions. I let my ego get in the way. Those are all yourself. Yeah. But it's almost like an unintentional self.


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[Assistant] In my opinion, it's because they actually don't want.


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[Assistant] And one of the reasons, I got a bunch of reasons, one of the reasons that we lose wars is we lose wars that we didn't have to win.


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[Assistant] We've never lost a war that we had to win, but the minute we get an award that we don't have to win,


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[Assistant] It's not important enough and we do this to ourselves. Look, when you have to win a war, if we, if, if we have to win a war, we will win though. Do we say, hey, you know what? After one year, the soldiers can go home.


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[Assistant] No, we don't say that. We say, you'll fight until we win. That's World War II.


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[Assistant] Do we say, hey, you know what, we're not sure, uh, how many troops we're going to deploy. No, we're going to deploy all of them. We don't know if a draft is the proper thing to do. No, we're going to draft everyone. If you're, if you're between the ages of 18 and 50 year old male, you're going to go fight. That's, that's when we, one of the reasons that we,


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[Assistant] Lose wars, cause we lose wars that we don't have to win. Look, there's a chance we can win.


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[Assistant] Like we can go into the first Iraq war and we build up and we go cool and we play that first quarter and we're up by freaking 40 points and we're like cool and we, the other team just says we're not even coming back out and we go see we won. Cool. High five.


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[Assistant] But we get into wars that we don't have to win.


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[Assistant] And that is one of the reasons why we lose. So just like you're saying, in life, if you expect


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[Assistant] Someone to be able to put forth the effort and make the small sacrifices on a daily basis and a large sacrifice on a daily basis in order to get somewhere where they want to be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and really that's as I started working on this, these various


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[Assistant] When we have to win, guess what we do with generals that aren't good?


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[Assistant] Get rid of them. We fire them. Yes. We fire them. We just go, oh yea, you, you lost that battle, you're fired.


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[Assistant] That doesn't happen. If we don't have to win, it's like playing in a football game. Echo Charles. If you're playing in a football game that you don't have to win, are you going to put your star player in there?


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[Assistant] They taped this band to like the top of his thigh and to the top of his calf. So he had an artificial external hamstring to function.


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[Assistant] Because he was needed to win. Because he needed to win the state championships. Or maybe it was the collegiate finals. But he had to win.


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[Assistant] Sure. That kid in that game had to win. So, if you're entering into wars,


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[Assistant] You're gonna make all kinds of decisions that are little bit off.


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[Assistant] Little bit off. Hey, I've done that. Like, oh, we're in task unit bruiser. We're in a training mission.


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[Assistant] And one of my junior officers does something stupid.


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[Assistant] That's when you ask these questions, when you ask that question about like what causes a person to not do the right things, cause they don't have to win. And when you don't have to win, you make the easy, make little


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[Assistant] You need almost an existential threat. A threat to your very existence. That happens with companies. Companies are


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[Assistant] They didn't do it when there wasn't a threat to their existence. So these are important things to think about because you get in this habit


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[Assistant] Of allowing sabotage to happen in your team, in your business, in your life. And it sneaks up on you.


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[Assistant] To incite the citizen to the active practice of simple sabotage and to keep him practicing that sabotage over sustained periods is a special problem. Simple sabotage is often an act which the citizen performs according to his own initiative and inclination.


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[Assistant] Or assurance and information and suggestions regarding reasonable and feasible methods of simple sabotage. So what he's saying is you're asking someone, you know, in let's say occupied France to go out and conduct sabotage. What do they have to gain from it?


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[Assistant] Well, they can get caught by the Nazis, they can get killed, right? There's, there's all those things. Now, you should be conducting sabotage where it's hard to catch you, but that's what they're up against.


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[Assistant] So how do you motivate them? It says here, personal motives. The ordinary citizen very probably has no immediate personal motive for committing simple sabotage. Instead, he must be made to anticipate indirect personal gain.


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[Assistant] Such as might come with the enemy evacuation or destruction of the ruling government group, gains should be stated as specifically as possible for the area addressed. So what they're saying is you gotta say, listen, hey, French resistance fighter, when we get the Nazis out of there, you're gonna


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[Assistant] You're gonna be elevated into a heroic position, you're gonna be elevated into the new government position, like you're gonna be given rewards. You need to let them know that.


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[Assistant] This was interesting. Abstract verbalizations about personal liberty, freedom of the press and so on will not be convincing in most parts of the world. In many areas, they will not even be comprehensible. That's pretty interesting.


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[Assistant] And there's some people in the world that are like, no dude, I want just to like, be left alone with my family. I just want to grow my crops or whatever. It's the only thing they know. Yeah. Yup.


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[Assistant] So think about these things when, and I wrote about this in Leadership Strategy and Tactics, I called it the Thread of Why. People gotta understand how it's gonna help you, JP.


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[Assistant] So when I'm saying to JP, hey JP, if you could sell more of these widgets, you could make more of these widgets everyday, that'd be great. And JP's like, well, I'm making 20 a day, I'm getting my paycheck.


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[Assistant] We're gonna be able to sell them for a little bit cheaper. If we can sell them for a little bit cheaper, we're gonna sell more of them. If we sell more of them, we're gonna need more people to work here. If we need more people to work here, guess who's gonna be in charge of them?


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[Assistant] You, guess what that means? More money and you won't be on that line anymore. You're going to be in charge of it and all of a sudden I show you the opportunity that you might have. I can't motivate you by saying, hey JP if you can really make some extra widgets everyday, our share holders are going to get a bigger dividend.


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[Assistant] So, make sure that you're motivating people with things that actually make sense to them and have a real impact with them.


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[Assistant] Of a large, though unseen group of saboteurs operating against the enemy or the government of his own country and elsewhere.


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[Assistant] So it's very important that you make people recognize and, and feel


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[Assistant] That they are part of a larger group that is moving in the same direction. You can't just feel like you're out there doing this by yourself.


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[Assistant] That morning shift that did 27, they're getting a little bonus. What do you mean bonus? Yeah, cause they're helping everyone out. Oh, okay. And all of a sudden you recognize you're part of something bigger.


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[Assistant] And then it says, ha, and I like this. More important than those two reasons here it says would be to create a situation in which the citizen saboteur acquires a sense of responsibility.


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[Assistant] And begins to educate others in simple sabotage. So when you make people feel responsible for what's happening in their country and what's happening in their neighborhood and what's happening in their family, that's the most powerful of these motivations that you can give somebody.


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[Assistant] It goes on here to talk about encouraging destructiveness. Which some people kinda have in their soul.


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[Assistant] They want to destroy things, but some people don't. It says, it should be pointed out that to the saboteur, where the circumstances are suitable, that he is acting in self-defense against the enemy, or retaliating against the enemy for acts of destruction. A reasonable amount of humor! In the presentation,


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[Assistant] Of suggestions for simple sabotage will relax tensions of fear. Humor is a tool. Use it.


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[Assistant] Once he is encouraged to think backwards about himself and the objects of his everyday life, the saboteur will see many opportunities in his immediate environment.


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[Assistant] A very bold form of decentralized command. Literally saying, hey, I can't tell JP what to do on the front lines. I can't tell him how to best sabotage the machine shop that he works in. He's gotta figure out the best way to do it.


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[Assistant] He's gotta look for it. Which the opposite of that is equally true. I can't figure out the way for JP to be most efficient.


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[Assistant] He's gotta be the one that's given the authority and the autonomy and the freedom to think about the best way to do it and present me with a plan.


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[Assistant] Hey boss, I'm making this widget every day and you've got me carrying every five pack you've got me carrying across the whole, the whole platform here, across the whole factory. Takes me like a minute and a half to get over there, a minute and a half to get back.


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[Assistant] Yes, decentralized sabotage is a good thing if you're in that mode of war.


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[Assistant] Cause if you're not doing that, if you're not encouraging that, if I'm just like, hey JP, here's your job, do it. And you say, hey, I thought if, hey listen, just do your job. Hey, it might be, no, just do your job. If that's what I'm doing, I'm not helping.


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[Assistant] Presumably this man would be able to devise methods of simple sabotage.


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[Assistant] We get trained into a way of thinking. And if JP, if I take over a factory,


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[Assistant] And the last boss that worked there was a, a tyrant who told everyone shut up and do what I told you to do.


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[Assistant] When I take over, and I see that we could be more efficient, but I'm not quite sure how, I'm gonna have to retrain JP's brain. Cause JP, he offered a suggestion six years ago, got yelled at, he offered one three weeks after that, got yelled at again.


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[Assistant] He hasn't said a word since. He's got his paycheck, and he's gotten out of it. He might have even looked for another job.


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[Assistant] So you gotta retrain people's brains so that they're thinking a different way. Extremely important.


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[Assistant] Various media can be used to disseminate suggestions. Good. It goes through that. It talks about safety measures, the amount of activity carried on by the saboteur shall be governed not only by the number of opportunities he sees, but also by the amount of danger he feels. Bad news travels fast. Simple sabotage will be discourage if too many simple saboteurs are arrested.


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[Assistant] Good point. And guess what they do to saboteurs? They execute them publicly. That's why. That's the propaganda that comes back. So when you're in a leadership position,


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[Assistant] And as a leader, you gotta be aware of that. Yes. You gotta be aware that JP's not


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[Assistant] Lazy or unmotivated, he's just been trained not to give input. He's been trained to keep his mouth shut. And some bosses want that. They're losers. They're losers.


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[Assistant] A good boss wants the team to give feedback and explanations and advice and suggestions.


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[Assistant] Check, uh, use materials which appear to be innocent. A knife or nail file can be carried normally on your person. Either as multi-purpose instrument for creating damage, matches, pebbles, hair, salt, nails, dozens of other destructive agents can be carried or kept in your living quarters without even exciting any suspicion whatsoever.


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[Assistant] If you're a worker in trading street, you can easily carry such things as wrenches, hammers, emery, paper, and the like. So there you go. This is important to try to, try to commit acts for which large numbers of people could be responsible. For instance, if you blow out the wiring in the factory at a central firebox, almost anyone could have done it.


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[Assistant] Fast forward a little bit. The citizen saboteur cannot be closely controlled. Nor is it reasonable to expect that simple sabotage can be precisely concentrated on specific types of target according to the requirements of a concrete military situation. So again, this is decentralized command. Things are gonna get a little bit loose. Hey, with decentralized command,


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[Assistant] There's risk. Yep. There's risk with decentralized command.


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[Assistant] There are going to be times where things, you know, JP does something that wasn't good. It's going to happen.


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[Assistant] It's gonna happen. There's gonna be a time when JP, I let him do this, I let him do this, I let him do this, I let him do this. Good, good, good, good, good. I let him do this, and all of a sudden something else happens.


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[Assistant] Critical, commander's critical information reports. So if you do something that is really bad


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[Assistant] You will know, oh, JP had a client that, uh, wants their money back. Yep, he's gonna call me immediately.


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[Assistant] The saboteur should be ingenious in using his everyday equipment. We kinda got through that. The saboteur should never attack targets beyond his capacity. Or the capacity of his instruments. Cool, fair enough.


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[Assistant] So part of this manual is actually like the technical piece of this. Like the technical part of how to


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[Assistant] Train tracks. Train tracks. That's transportation. In the floods thing, uhm, saturate a sponge.


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[Assistant] With a thick starch or sugar solution. Squeeze it tightly into a ball. Wrap it with its string.


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[Assistant] And let it dry. Remove the string when it's fully dried. The sponge will be in the form of a tight hard ball. Flush down a toilet or otherwise introduce into a sewer line. The sponge will gradually expand to its normal size and plug the sewage system.


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[Assistant] And you were rolling into combat with 50 other tanks that had been all fueled with the same fuel that someone had pissed in. Yep. Yeah. That's the kind of thing that's just... Disaster.


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[Assistant] Uh, it goes into all this kind of stuff. Paper jams. Here's one. Jam paper, bits of wood, hair pins, and anything else that will fit into locks of all unguarded entrances to public buildings. This is just horrible, man.


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[Assistant] But, yea, also easy to sabotage. Boom. There you go. Put metal dust or filings, fine sand, ground glass, emery dust, and similar hard, gritty substances directly into lubrication systems.


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[Assistant] Freaking terrible using and, and again, the comparison to life is.


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[Assistant] Uh, use a thin oil where heavy oil is prescribed. Cooling systems. Talks about how to freakin' cause problems with them. Here's the one that you almost dealt with. Water, urine, wine, or any simple liquid you can get in reasonably large quantities will dilute gasoline fuel to a point where it's no longer combustible.


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[Assistant] Here's a little pro for Elon Musk. Electric motors. Electric motors are more restricted than the targets so far discussed. They cannot be sabotaged as easily or without risk of injury by unskilled persons who may otherwise have good opportunities for destruction. Electric motors are a little hard to mess with.


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[Assistant] The modern cars are a lot harder to steal. You kinda have to be a little bit of a specialist and you probably have to have some special tools if you're gonna, and today this is even truer.


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[Assistant] Uh, those, those wheel, like they had, they had wheel locks and all you had to do was just crank that and it would break off. So it was really easy to steal and those older cars.


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[Assistant] As soon as you get, like I said, into the 90s, like you're talking about the cars with whatever kind of computer chips they have in them, they have little shut down systems, it's way harder to steal them.


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[Assistant] They do have a pet mode. Where it just keeps it cool in there. They do. That's pretty cool.


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[Assistant] 060 now for the plaid. That's insane. 1.9. I, one of my friends had a, uh, uh, Audi R8. Those are sick. I have a buddy that has one of those. It had the 10 cylinder. It was the, it was the good one. And we were like at a stoplight in a


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[Assistant] Yeah, but so that thing probably did zero sixty in three one or three nine one point nine


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[Assistant] And apparently it can beat that. Apparently they say, hey it's 1.9, but it can actually do less than that.


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[Assistant] It goes on, like it goes on, like I said, it talks about transformers, it talks about turbines, it talks about metals.


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[Assistant] Uhm, production of mining, it just goes into everything, and again this is real tactical stuff, how to, how to disturb agricultural production, what you were talking about, railways, what you can do there, I kinda thought this was funny.


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[Assistant] On station bulletin boards announcing train arrivals and departures see that false and misleading information is given about trains bound for enemy destinations. In trains bound for enemy destinations, a tenant should make life as uncomfortable as possible for passengers.


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[Assistant] Engineer should see that the trains run slow or make unscheduled stops for plausible reasons. So there you go. Have you traveled much? This seems like there's a lot of this. I feel like, I feel like.


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[Assistant] Who is this for? This manual. So this manual is for agents.


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[Assistant] Of the OSS. So these are people that are what became the CIA. These people did espionage. They did undercover work. They also did, they also work with the military as well. So they, they would do forward operations going into areas before the military arrived.


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[Assistant] Those kind of people, but this is for those people to train up.


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[Assistant] The French resistance. Gotcha. So that's those types, they're training those types of people. And actually they were, they were mostly successful. Uh, they were, they were very successful in, in Asia.


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[Assistant] Of course. It makes me wanna go back. It makes me wanna go back to 1940.


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[Assistant] And be part of the NCDUs and stay alive and just live, just go through every, just stay in for the past, whatever it is.


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[Assistant] It's crazy because SEAL Team 1, they had the 60th anniversary this year. Yea. And when I got to SEAL Team 1, I went to the 30th anniversary. It's insane.


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[Assistant] The explaining where we came from. And I've had guys from Vietnam, the Vietnam era seals, read that book and they love it. Every seal loves that book.


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[Assistant] He brought information to light that we just didn't know.


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[Assistant] As a community we didn't know. Which is crazy. It should be mandatory reading when you're going through training. It should be. Uhm, when I got to the team there was nothing written down anywhere. Yeaah. Nothing. Do you believe in mandatory reading?


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[Assistant] I should have done more of it. I didn't do it. You know, I didn't do it. I shouldn't. And you know what I should have done is I shouldn't have done mandatory reading. I should have done like optional book club.


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[Assistant] You 100% would have gone, and so would everybody.


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[Assistant] Like if I would've said, hey, we're gonna have optional book club, or hey, optional, you know, hey, we're gonna talk.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's, I absolutely should have done that. And I didn't. And I apologize.


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[Assistant] Like I would, you know what I was always, I was always more, I was always more, uh, I was always more controlling over like the officers.


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[Assistant] You know, cause I, I felt like the e-dogs, they, you know, they had work to do and they,


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[Assistant] As we're sitting here talking about like, oh, like having reading, mandatory reading.


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[Assistant] Think about our schedule when we were in a task unit together.


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[Assistant] Like there is, there is no holes in that schedule. And...


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[Assistant] You know, I, I just feel like, it would have been hard. I should have done it though. I could have found holes. I could have found holes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well there's that. There's also the, I always kind of kick myself because I wasn't, I didn't give like great, I didn't spend time with guys on life.


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[Assistant] Like, if you were in my platoon, we didn't talk about your life. Like, oh, here's a good savings plan. You should look at buying a house. Like, why are you buying that freaking brand new Ford F-350 Super Duty Harley Davidson?


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[Assistant] $92,000 truck with your reenlistment bonus. I didn't have those conversations with dudes. Yeah, no for me. It was like we're we're doing work That's what we're doing and and I almost always felt like You know, I don't want to


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[Assistant] Dude, it's your life. You know what I mean? Like, hey, it's, hey, this, you know, he's young, he's gonna get, he's out there getting after a freaking nice truck, dude. Like, you know what I mean? Like, kinda that thing. And I just think that...


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[Assistant] I think that I didn't even recognize how much guidance guys could use at that phase. Yeah. That's what I think.


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[Assistant] I was also severely uh, institutionalized.


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[Assistant] And by institutionalized, I mean like, I was part of, I didn't, I didn't know much about, like,


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[Assistant] I was in the teams, dude, as you know, it wasn't saying, yeah, like we were all in the teams and when you're, that's what we're looking at and like, it was just the teams and then there's nothing else. The rest of the world is, is like an unknown thing that you don't really care about.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then also the other thing I was going to say about, uh, you know, with your parents and going to church and not being mandatory, but not


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[Assistant] But also at the same time, there's an expression I picked up from Echo, which is like, oh, that's just how.


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[Assistant] Like there's not even a why that's just like that's just how weird that's just how we do things Yeah, you know like oh like on Sunday. We're going to church. That's just how like there's not even


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[Assistant] It's, you know, when you, that's just how, that's just how we do it. And that's all there is to it. And so you don't even, you don't even have the perspective to be like, wait a second, why are we doing this? You don't even need an explanation. That's just what we're doing. You know, uh, there's a lot of things in the teams are like that. Like that's just, that's just how that's just how it's going. That's just what we're doing. Uh, so there you go. Um, definitely some things I will improve upon in my next life. Um,


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[Assistant] Continues to talk about travel, distribute broken glass nails and sharp rocks on roads to puncture tires. That's good information. How to, how to mess people up on the water. Communications, a whole chunk of stuff about electric power. And then finally,


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[Assistant] Really pertinent to our lives as people, especially our lives in a leadership position.


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[Assistant] Inside of an organization. So this section is called general interferences, general, general interference with organizations and production.


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[Assistant] Basically, this is how do you sabotage a business or a team? Okay. Starts off with organizations and conferences. One.


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[Assistant] Insist on doing everything through channels. Never permit shortcuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions.


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[Assistant] Like how many times has someone got to run that up through the chain? Yeah, I gotta put that through. That has to go through the supply. Like, that's such a destructive mode of operating. Number two. Make speeches.


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[Assistant] Talk as frequently as possible and at great length, illustrate your points by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences. Never hesitate to make a few appropriate patriotic comments.


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[Assistant] This has, this has wasted, this has destroyed and wasted so much time in the world. When people just start telling stories. It literally calls it out. Long anecdotes and accounts of your personal experiences. This is freaking heinous, dude.


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[Assistant] You make a little iterative decision and say, hey, JP, you know what, go ahead, try it, report back to me tomorrow and see what kind of feedback you get. Boom, done.


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[Assistant] Done, we're done. Instead, I can either say that or I can say, you know what JP, why don't you form up a small committee of people, get together and discuss and come up with a proposal to me on how we can solve this entire problem.


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[Assistant] Like, this is going nowhere. And by the way, I want a minimum of five people in there. Like, it's just never gonna work. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes and resolutions.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it's, it's terrible because we get to see a lot of this, you know, we get to sit in a lot of meetings with a lot of clients and you get to see a lot of these behaviors take place. Uhm.


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[Assistant] It's, there's a lot of, a lot of quotes here in this. Advocate, quote, caution.


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[Assistant] Be quote reasonable and urge your felons, fellow confrancies to also be reasonable, reasonable and avoid haste, which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on.


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[Assistant] Isn't it funny that in the military there's like a whole, a whole problem with being risk-averse?


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[Assistant] And people not want to take any risk and they don't want to look bad and all that stuff and here's like an actual


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[Assistant] Advice on how to sabotage a team is by making people, hey, I don't know if you should do that JP. This stuff is so harsh.


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[Assistant] Raise the question of whether such action is contemplated.


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[Assistant] Lies within jurisdiction of the group or whether it might conflict with the policy of some higher echelon. We've all heard that before. I don't know what the boss is gonna think.


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[Assistant] Next section is managers and supervisors. Demand written orders.


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[Assistant] Misunderstand, quote, misunderstand orders. Ask endless questions or engage in long correspondence about such orders. Quibble over them when you can.


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[Assistant] Isn't it interesting how that, right there, there's so many organizations that won't tell the team what's going on, so they can start to prepare for whatever's coming their way, but they don't know everything so they don't say anything. Tell people what's going on!


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[Assistant] Don't order new working materials until your current stock has been virtually exhausted so the slightest delay in filling your order will mean a shutdown. Order high quality materials which are hard to get. If you don't get them, argue about it. Warn that inferior materials will mean inferior work.


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[Assistant] Boy, you can hear this stuff all day, every day across the United States in businesses. In making work assignments, always sign out the unimportant jobs first. See that the important jobs are assigned to inefficient workers of poor machines. Insist on perfect work.


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[Assistant] In relatively unimportant products, ooooh. Send back for refinishing. Those which have the least flaw.


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[Assistant] Approve defective parts whose flaws are not visible to the naked eye. How much time is wasted making something that will work perfect? It's gonna work, man. Go with it.


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[Assistant] When training new workers, given incomplete or misleading instructions to lower morale and with it production.


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[Assistant] Discriminate against efficient workers. Complain unjustly about their work. Hold conferences when there is more critical work to be done. Oh, I like that one. Hey, let's have a meeting.


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[Assistant] Isn't it weird? Isn't it weird when you think about people that think they're doing good? I mean let's face it, we work at companies where there's no, there's no one trying to sabotage the efficiency of the company and yet they're doing


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[Assistant] Half these things. At least. At least half these things. That's why this is so important.


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[Assistant] Uh, next one is office workers. Make mistakes in quantities of materials when you are copying orders. Confuse similar names. Use wrong addresses. Prolong correspondence with government bureaus. Misfile essential documents.


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[Assistant] In making carbon copies, make one too few so that an extra copying job will have to be done. Tell important callers the boss is busy or talking on another telephone. Hold up until the next mail collection.


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[Assistant] And here's a big one. Spread disturbing rumors that sound like inside dope. And they used the word dope in 1944.


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[Assistant] Inside dope. I have to look up the etymology of the word dope.


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[Assistant] Because for shooting, it's your dope for your weapon.


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[Assistant] Look, again, you just take the opposite of these.


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[Assistant] Think out ways to increase the number of movements necessary on your job. Use a light hammer instead of a heavy one. Try to make a small wrench do when a big one is necessary. Use little force where considerable force is needed and so on.


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[Assistant] Oh, this is a good one. Contrive as many interruptions to your work as you can.


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[Assistant] This, I was, I was actually doing this today. I was on this section and my wife came in to ask me like a random question. I was just like, yes, darling. Yep. Um, let me look. Yep. Okay. Here you go.


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[Assistant] And I was just thinking, how many, how many times do we allow things to interrupt us when we should be working? What kind of things have you set up for yourself that


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[Assistant] Like what is it? You set the, you sabotage yourself.


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[Assistant] Contrive as many interruptions to your work as you can. That's what you do when changing the material on which you are working.


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[Assistant] If you are cutting, shaping, or doing other measuring work, measure dimensions twice as often as you need to.


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[Assistant] When you go to the lavatory, spend a longer time than is necessary. Forget tools so you have to go back and get after them.


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[Assistant] He thinks it's acceptable. He's sabotaging his life. Cause he's not getting promoted. Right? He's not the guy. And I'll tell you what, there's a couple- He was taught that also.


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[Assistant] Right? Uh, but that guy is not getting promoted. He's sabotaging himself.


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[Assistant] By working as slowly as you can and not carrying and yeaah. No, don't worry about it. Like, it's a bummer. A-A-A-A-A-Again.


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[Assistant] Unwanted advice. Let's think about that, you know, for future reference, because I bet there's a way to tactfully give people like, like that kid, whoever this person was,


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[Assistant] They're, they're stuck man. Yeaah. Like they're stuck in that, in that job.


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[Assistant] For a long time. Yes. Until they figure it out. Which is probably going to take three to, three to five years. To say like, oh this kind of sucks. Yeah. I don't want to be doing this anymore.


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[Assistant] It goes on here, even if you understand the language, pretend to not understand instructions in a foreign tongue. Pretend that instructions are hard to understand and ask to have them repeated more than once or pretend that you are particularly anxious to do your work and pester the foreman with unnecessary questions. Do your work poorly and blame it on bad tools, machinery or equipment. Complain that these things are preventing you from doing your job right.


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[Assistant] Never pass on your skill and experience to a new or less skillful worker. How many people are guilty of that?


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[Assistant] And you're literally following the directives to sabotage your organization. When you keep information, you never pass on your skill. So now I feel like for not...


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[Assistant] Uh, snarl up administration in every possible way, fill out forms illegibly so that they will have to be done over, make mistakes, or omit requested information in forms. If possible.


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[Assistant] Join or help organize a group for presenting employee problems to the management. See that the procedures adopted are as inconvenient as possible for the management, involving the presence of a large number of employees at each presentation, entailing more than one meeting for each grievance, bringing up problems which they are largely imaginary, and so on.


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[Assistant] Uh, mis-root materials and mix good parts with unusable scrap and rejected parts.


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[Assistant] And we're getting almost to the end here because this last section is called general devices for lowering morale and creating confusion. And it starts off, give lengthy and incomprehensible explanations when questioned. It's the opposite of simple, clear, concise.


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[Assistant] Give lengthy and incomprehensible explanations.


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[Assistant] Report imaginary spies or danger to the Gestapo or police.


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[Assistant] Uh, misunderstand all sorts of regulations concerning such matters as rationing, transportation, and traffic regulations. Complain against Erzatz material, which is like artificial materials. I'm not a hundred percent sure what they meant by that one.


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[Assistant] In public, treat Axis Nationals or Quizlings coldly.


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[Assistant] Quizlings. Quizlings are people that support the invaders or support the enemy. So, like, this would be the people in France that were supporting the Nazis.


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[Assistant] And this word, quizzlings, speaking of etymology. Normally I catch words I don't know, or I don't- I wonder where they come from. Quizzling is one of them. It's named after a guy named Vidkun Quizzling.


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[Assistant] They executed him in 1945, but the word this, this book was written in 1940 44 and they were already using this guy from Norway, this political leader that like jumped sides to the Nazis. They were already using his name.


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[Assistant] In the total pejorative. It's not capitalized, it's just quizlings.


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[Assistant] Stop all conversation when Axis Nationals or Quizlings enter a cafe.


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[Assistant] Cry and sob hysterically at every occasion, especially when confronted by government clerks.


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[Assistant] It's there. Yeah. How did you come across that book? Was it a gift? Was it random? So I have a client that I worked with in Scotland. His name is Colin. And he sent me like six of these things. It was like, Hey, this is from a CIA manual.


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[Assistant] So now I'm doubling down, Colin. I'm doubling down. The awesome thing about Colin is when I met him, you know, he was in sort of a mid-level manager position. Uhm, and now he like,


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[Assistant] And just a great dude, uhm, great guy, but he, he, he will send me stuff, you know, usually he, he titles my text, I get a text from him, he'll say, frogman, colon. Frogman, that's awesome. And he's got a question for me usually. That's right.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, he's a very cool guy. Like, I think this was in maybe like, oh, you know, I know what it was.


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[Assistant] It was when podcast 11 came out with Leif because Colin and I drove from Scotland to England.


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[Assistant] And we sat there in silence and listened to the podcast.


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[Assistant] But there it is. It's Sabotage everybody. It's not just an album by Black Sabbath. It's not just a song by the Beastie Boys. It's a real thing and it's there. And we have to pay attention to it. And as always,


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[Assistant] You gotta pay attention, not that people are sabotaging you, which look, that could be happening. But first and foremost, make sure that you are not the saboteur.


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[Assistant] Alright, Echo Charles, speaking of trying not to get sabotaged, speaking of trying to overcome, speaking of trying to win.


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[Assistant] Lots of, lots of, uh, you know, various categories that we're trying to win in. We got the mats of justice. Right? We got the, the workout room. We call it the gym.


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[Assistant] Because what you're saying is actually was my whole premise. Remember I was saying like, hey, you're gonna do these things, and you're sabotaging yourself.


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[Assistant] Master Chief as far as I'm concerned. Cause he didn't want, he was just gonna stay there. E5 Mafia. You're not really responsible for anything except for whatever. The boat motors or the weapons or the radios, but you're not.


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[Assistant] And you say, well I always self-sabotage because I'm afraid of being successful.


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[Assistant] You should say what JP said, which is, well, I bomb interviews because I actually don't want to get promoted because I don't want to, I don't want to take that extra responsibility.


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[Assistant] And so, did you hear the story about Jack Daniel Hill, me and Theo?


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[Assistant] Probably. I go to Nashville for a gig. Remind me to come back to this. I go to Nashville for a gig. And I text Theo.


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[Assistant] And I'm with Jack, Jack's like escort here. And so like, it's me, Jack, and Theo hanging out for like, we were just hanging out in the hotel lobby. Theo was, where are you at? And I go, I'm here. And he goes, I'll be there in 15 minutes. And he just rolls down, and we just stood in this, we sat down in this hotel lobby for,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was, it was just saying, you can add, I, if I would have recorded this, it would have been like the Netflix special of the year for, for the century for Theo. It was just freaking hilarious. But part of it was because it was so off the record. It was just wild. That's what I like.


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[Assistant] Maybe they're not as cool as you think they are but then when you get with those guys with deal with rogue like they're freaking hilarious where there's no preparation You know what I mean? It's not like that's that's a performance, but that's not


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[Assistant] It's just, it's really hard for me to picture you stuttering. Like I said, I've never, never heard you do it. I've worked with people that stuttered before and it was like, you know, it's real. Obviously, obvious.


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[Assistant] They took the kids, they took kids that had no speech impediment and told them, Hey, you've got this slight speech impediment. It's probably going to get worse. And sure enough, they developed speech impediments and they got bad. They just did the opposite. They took people that actually had stutters and said, Hey, Oh, that thing. Oh, don't worry about that. It's actually enough. It's normal in your development. It'll go away. It went away.


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[Assistant] I don't know if, like, at what point, like, does you say- Yea, it's people that are, people that are unaware. People that don't understand other people are like, dude, you're not ready right now. I mean, this could be before a wrestling match, this could be before a jiu jitsu tournament, this could be before an MMA fight, this could be before a speech, like anything that's gonna hurt someone's confidence before they go and actually execute.


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[Assistant] Alright, so speaking of wrestling, speaking of getting after it, we're gonna need fuel.


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[Assistant] And he's like, well, if you think men that are successful, like sitting, you know, with their feet up and not doing anything, it's like, no, those men that are quote unquote successful actually have a immense amount of pressure. They're working freaking 80 hours a week. They never get to rest. They're freaking recording podcasts at nine o'clock, 10 o'clock at night on whatever.


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[Assistant] 2 grams of D, ribose, natural sweeteners, it's just freaking good to go. Vitamin C, Vitamin B6, Vitamin B12, magnesium, like it's just good to go. It's what you need. Check that out, get yourself some, get yourself some of this too right here. Some of that.


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[Assistant] GNC, we're in the military commissaries. We're in AFES now.


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[Assistant] Well, we're not there yet, but we just we're going into a fees so everyone all you all you troopers


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[Assistant] Serving right now around the world, we got, we got an A-fees. So you can get in there and get some overseas and everywhere else. Hannaford's, DashStores, Maryland, Wakefern, ShopRite, HEB. You know we're in HEB. What's up, Tejas?


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[Assistant] Uh, don't even know yet. I don't even know that yet. I don't have it mapped out. Blasphemy. I know, I agree. Well, there's one close by because you are in Texas. No, I know.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, we are in HEV, we'll get into Central Market, sorry about that. We'll get in, we're in Meyer, uh, Harris Teeter, Lifetime Fitness, Shields, you know we're into the Shields. You can get anything you need in Shields. Shields is incredible. It's insane.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, and you know what else we're in right now? Just little gyms, little crossfit gyms, little jujitsu gyms. If you got a crossfit gym, if you got a jujitsu gym, if you got any kind of gym,


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[Assistant] And you wanna sell Jocko Fuel there? Email jfsales at jockofuel.com. We'll get you in the game. So, there you go jockofuel.com. Speaking of...


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[Assistant] Yup, this is one of the first things that I wanted to do when, when we started looking at the next product line was to make, you know, wicking, lightweight workout gear. It took a long time to get it made here in America, to make it here in America, to find the right materials. So, but we did it. We pulled it off.


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[Assistant] RTX gear. It's out. Uh, we also got hunt gear. We got the jujitsu geese. What else? Rash guards.


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[Assistant] Like, if you ever have to wear a suit. Sure. Like, make a suit from that.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? I've seen suits I've seen suits that legit like high-end suits that look like kind of like they could be made with gi material I've seen suits like that


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[Assistant] Shout out to those guys. There you go. Oh, 100% made in America by the way. Cause we're in an economic war right now. Yeaah. With China. They're, they're coming. They're, they're trying. They're trying to take our manufacturing away.


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[Assistant] That's what's happening, they're watching our culture rip itself apart by the way.


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[Assistant] They're seeing our, they're taking our manufacturing overseas, taking jobs, having us put our money into their pockets. They have a long term strategy. That's what they're doing. We're fighting it. And that's one of the ways we're fighting it. OriginUSA.com


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[Assistant] Help the security of this country. Do not put money into the communist hands.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that one was, that was my direction too. I was like, hey, make this, cause that's from a story from the Vietnam seal that came back and it was written on his stoner, someone had carved into the, into the stock of his stoner, everybody must get stoned. How freaking epic and cool is that? So I said, bro,


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[Assistant] Do you know that story? Which one? So we, you know how we had like the board with everyone's little picture on it? Uh, in the task unit space? Yea. And so when stoner


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[Assistant] Took over the task unit and then he put all of his guys, the new guys that were in and you know, reassembled the


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[Assistant] Uh, this podcast and the other podcasts that we do, uh, Jocko Underground, jockounderground.com. Check that out. We do, we do about a podcast a week there with podcast adjacent material. Kind of directed at,


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[Assistant] There you go, uh, YouTube, subscribe to the YouTube channel, subscribe to Origin USA YouTube channel, subscribe to Jocko Fuel YouTube channel, go to Psychological Warfare, get FlapsideCanvas.com from Dakota Meyer. I written a bunch of books, get em.


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[Assistant] Get him for your kids. Best kids book ever. Is it, am I allowed to say that? Can I make that kind of judgement? I just did.


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[Assistant] I would say yes. I'm allowing you to, I'm allowing it. Yeaah. It's just, that's the way. Uhm, please get those books for the kids you know, honestly. They are, they are so helpful to so many kids. Please, do it. Uh, Ashland Front, we have a leadership consultancy. We solve problems through leadership.


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[Assistant] You want me to come and work with your company? You want one of us on the team at Echelon Front to come and work with your company? Go to echelonfront.com and


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[Assistant] You can see what you can get. You can also come to one of our live events. I think the next thing we have is the battlefield at Little Bighorn, August 8th through the 10th. We got some slots open if you want to come. It's powerful to go up there to hear those lessons or to actually understand what happened on that battlefield. There's so many mistakes that were made.


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[Assistant] And you can learn from them. I can't wait for that. I'm gonna be there. Okay, awesome. Yeaah. And then, yeaah. Yeaah, that thing is, uh, powerful.


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[Assistant] You can also see the good things that happened. Yeaah. Because there was a lot of good moves. Good tactical moves that were made. Mostly by the Native American warriors. Uhm, so, come and check that out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the FTX's, if you don't know what they are, you go out in the field. We have these high speed laser weapons. We train you on the basic tactics, but it is what


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[Assistant] It's the tool, it's the, it's the medium that we used to transform leaders in the SEAL teams.


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[Assistant] Put them in these high stress, confusing, complicated leadership scenarios where you have to learn to lead. You have to learn to follow. You have to learn to step up. You have to learn to detach from your emotions. You have to learn to cover, move, keep things simple, prioritize next year. You have to learn those things. And when you don't do them, it leaves a mark. It leaves a mark. It leaves an impact on your brain.


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[Assistant] And it's a powerful way to learn. So come and check those things out. Echelonfront.com. And you just mentioned the, the extreme ownership academy, extreme ownership.com. This is the mission. Our mission is to.


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[Assistant] Give this information to as many people as possible and one of the ways that we figured out to do that was by having online courses. So.


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[Assistant] Go to extremeownership.com. You can take all kinds of classes about these principles. And this is like having magic. It's like having magic.


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[Assistant] It's like being able to perform magic tricks.


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[Assistant] To solve problems. It's like jujitsu. Like, it's like if you are playing basketball,


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[Assistant] And, and you're Michael Jordan. And you're playing one on one against a twelve year old. You're slammin' dunks. Yea.


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[Assistant] Right? Cause you learn how to interact with other people. You learn to lead. Learn how to adjust your life.


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[Assistant] And it's just an incredible woman. Uhm, and then on top of that, we've got heroesandhorses.org. That's Mikeafink. Uh, I actually just talked to Mikeafink.


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[Assistant] So I got, I got the report from the field. I'm like, oh, Micah, what you doing? He's like, oh, I'm driving back from Wyoming.


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[Assistant] I was in South Dakota, delivering 400 chickens to a reservation, where they were out of food. What have you been up to, Jaco?


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[Assistant] He says, hey, you might want to come try that jujitsu stuff out on cows.


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[Assistant] I was like, Roger. So, that's what Michael Fink does. Actually, he just went in the field too. He just took his class out. They take classes out. They take, they take veterans, first responders up into the wilderness so that they can get lost.


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[Assistant] And they can get found. Heroesandhorses.org. If you want to connect with us on the interwebs, JP is at JPDNL. Two N's, two L's. Echoes at Echo Charles.


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[Assistant] That's what it is. Uh, JP, thanks for coming. As always. Appreciate it. My brother. It's been awesome. Heck yeaah. Uhm, thanks to all the military personnel out there around the world right now. Thank you for putting our safety above your own.


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[Assistant] And also thanks to our police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, all first responders.


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[Assistant] Thanks to you as well. You put our safety above your own.


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[Assistant] Kind of the ultimate form of the indirect attack. Very hard to identify, but it can be happening and it can take you down. And it's hardest to identify when the sap tour is you. When it's you.


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[Assistant] When it's you that are holding unnecessary meetings, making careless mistakes, working too slow, spreading rumors, not sharing skills, when it's you!


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[Assistant] Don't be the saboteur. Do not allow that. Don't be a quizzling.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think when you look at the comparative history and particularly, you know, you see the war in Ukraine right now with things that the Russians are doing or other, other militaries that don't share our same sense.


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[Assistant] of, of morality or ethics. Uh, when you see the gloves taken off, uh, there's some horrible stuff that happens on the battlefield. And, uh, and I think the U S military goes to tremendous lengths to do that. Um, and, uh, certainly something that I'm, I'm very proud of.


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[Assistant] That is a bummer. That is a bummer. I think when you look back to, you know, the, uh, a samurai sword that, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, I understand why we want to control that, but we could have easily gone through the demil process to get, uh, something, uh, something that we brought back from Iraq that is a reminder of who we fought against and why we fought there.


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[Assistant] Couldn't follow, uh, a, a, a process to demill those weapons and put them, you know, put them on the wall somewhere or pass down her grade.


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[Assistant] The rules of engagement were good rules. Absolutely. And I think, you know, I would


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[Assistant] I remember hearing from friends of mine that were, were Ford in Iraq or had been in Afghanistan, they'd be like, the rules of engagement are too restrictive. And, you know, and, and as you said, that is a leadership process.


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[Assistant] The rules of engagement were broad and allowed us to do our jobs while protecting the civilian populace and minimizing collateral damage and following these rules of engagement. You made that absolutely clear for everybody tasking a bruiser. This is a black and white thing. We will follow these rules of engagement. And, uh, because that's,


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[Assistant] The moral high ground, it's something that we, we were gonna do, uh, because it's,


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[Assistant] Morally and ethically and legally the right thing to do but also this is strategically the most important thing that we could do as well is protect the civilian populace. And one thing that really stands out to me is


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[Assistant] You know, we, you help me see that like the rules of engagement give us everything we need to actually go out and protect the civilian populace, protect ourselves and actually engage the enemy who is attacking us or other friendly coalition forces or innocent civilians, uhm, uh, which, which was a common thing that happened all the time in, in Ramadi everywhere.


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[Assistant] What really stands out to me is I think about these rules of engagement is often times, I think what was pretty common in the SEAL teams at the time and friends that were returning from, you know, from the Iraq war. If you ask just about any SEAL operator out there, like what was their mission? What was their mission? They would say, kill bad guys, kill bad guys. And I think the thing that you,


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[Assistant] Help me see and the rest of everybody in Tasking a Bruiser is that that's actually not our mission. Our mission is to...


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[Assistant] Secure the populace, stabilize the city of Ramadi, lower the level of violence. That's what our mission was. And so does that, that meant that we were going to have to kill some bad guys because there were three to five thousand, uh, enemy fighters living amongst this populace of four hundred thousand people in the city of Ramadi at the time.


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[Assistant] Ultimately drive, uh, the bad guys out of the city and, and, uh, in the counter certified. That was, that was something that totally, uh, was a game changer for us in understanding that, that ultimately our strategic mission.


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[Assistant] Uh, is, is to secure the civilian populace and so, you know, every time that you breathe those rules of engagement, uhm, you know, to us and told us that, that, uh, summarizing all of that legal jargon down. And that's, that's what got a little intimidating to people.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and I remember just every operation you summarizing that by saying, if you have to pull the trigger, you better make sure the person that you're killing is bad.


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[Assistant] And when you said that, it was just instantly clear to everyone, uhm, that,


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[Assistant] It gave us the support that we needed to be able to go out and engage the enemy and protect the civilian populace.


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[Assistant] Um, and that, that was our ultimate goal was to secure the civilians, build relationships with them, show them that we were there to actually help them. Uh, and, and they wanted us there as we met with them and talked to them to help, help them drive out this insurgency that was ruling over them. When we got there in 2006, just this.


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[Assistant] Brutal reign of terror and fear that it lived under those three to five thousand enemy fighters. I mean just, I've often said to people,


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[Assistant] I think that those jihadi insurgents that we are fighting in Ramadi, I think that they are as evil an enemy as the U.S. has ever faced in our long history.


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[Assistant] Well aware of some of the horrors of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, uhm, and, uh, and I think any of those individuals out there, just the torture and rape and murder and horrible stuff that they were doing, uhm, you just,


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[Assistant] You, you clearly, uh, you made it absolutely clear to us that these rules of engagement will be followed. This is black and white. We are here to help the 400,000 people that are living here and we're here to liberate them from this, the evils of this insurgency.


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[Assistant] First of all, I think you studying English and you've always had a, you know, I've said this before, I think if you have


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[Assistant] A superpower, it's taking some complex things and simplifying it down to a point where the whole team can understand it.


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[Assistant] And the frontline troops out there executing can understand it. And it's, uh, I think that's something that you did a tremendous job of because the rules of engagement require decentralized command. And so not only for you to actually understand what those word means, what,


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[Assistant] What those words actually mean? All that legal jargon. What does it actually mean?


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[Assistant] Uh, but you, you helped me and everybody in the task unit down to the frontline troopers understand that so that they can actually go out and perform their job and not have to worry about


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[Assistant] Can I take the shot without getting sent to prison, uh, or let me ask permission up three levels of the chain of command and then by that time the bad guy that was shooting it, uh, at you is gone and is gonna go out killing other people.


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[Assistant] Trust your troops to go out and execute the mission knowing that these are the rules. We have to follow the rules. It's black and white and that's how we do things.


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[Assistant] You know, the other thing too, your perspective is...


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[Assistant] And that experience I think played a massive part in it. I remember as, as I reported my first SEAL team, uh, some Echo and I, some of our good friends were just coming back from, uh, from their first Iraq deployment SEAL team five. And I remember the, the thing that was being said about those guys was.


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[Assistant] Uhm, over the course of six full months and they'd only gotten just a few months in, I think of, of doing those kind of, uh, capture kill raids and, and, uh, and so you had a ton of experience coming back from that. That's all the missions that we wanted to do.


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[Assistant] But you were able to, to able to, for me and Seth Stone, the Delta Platoon Commander, and, and, and for the rest of the task unit to really, you know, look at the counterinsurgency manual, you know, look at the situation on the ground, uhm, and, and say, hey,


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[Assistant] Enemy attacks are actually up 300% here. We've, we've been doing capture kill rates for a long time. Uhm, is that actually having the impact that, that, that we needed to and make that adjustment and really focus on


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[Assistant] That our mission isn't to kill or capture bad guys and gather intelligence, it's actually to secure those populace, uh, and that's how we're gonna win this, you know, this counter-insurgency fight. And I think you just, you really opened our mind up, and I think that was based on,


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[Assistant] All the experience that you had and the lessons that you brought back from, from your Platoon Commander Tour, you know, with, with SEAL Team 7. And I think that was integral to our success in tasking a bruiser to really think strategically about, about what is our mission here and how can we make the most impact.