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[Assistant] As soon as discipline is neglected in a nation, guess what's the same thing with your personal life? Obviously.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. The troopers should have a goatskin bottle like those used in hot countries instead of a canteen or a barrel to hold liquors in.


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[Assistant] And a few other necessities is to be put in the bottom of a sack which will roll up with his coat and can be fastened with two straps behind him. This will reduce the monstrous load which is now carried by the cavalry. It is necessary from time to time to inspect the baggage and force the men to throw away useless items.


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[Assistant] I have frequently done it. One can hardly imagine all the trash they carry with them year after year. The poor horse has to carry everything. It is no exaggeration to say that I have filled 20 wagons with useless rubbish, which I have found in the review of a single regiment.


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[Assistant] So, people will tend to carry a lot. A lot that they don't need.


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[Assistant] And that weighs down on you. I think I've talked about this before, but, uh, the back in Brooklyn the day we had these winter platoons, which I never did one, uh, out on the east coast they had these winter platoons.


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[Assistant] And you're going long distance on cross country skis, right? You know what those are? Yeah. Long, long distances and that is a very, you're basically like running a marathon and so the guys were super


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[Assistant] Here's an interesting thing. In passing through water, the horses must never be allowed to drink.


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[Assistant] A man who halts to water his horse will stop a whole army. When this happens, the officers should hasten to the spot, and instead of fruitless reprimands and ill-timed mercy, they should instantly chastise the offender.


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[Assistant] Otherwise, the affection the men they have for their horses will have them halting, little or much, and then it is impossible for them to recover their ranks without galloping.


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[Assistant] People get that little affection for their, for not just, you know, I wasn't thinking horses here. I was thinking about like being on a long patrol or in the workplace. You want your team to go and every time you, you grant that little bit of mercy, right?


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[Assistant] You start to develop that trend and now it throws other things off and sometimes you just gotta be, hey no, be quiet and execute.


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[Assistant] In time of peace and in winter, quarters in time of war, their horses should be kept in condition by violent exercise. Or runs at least three times a week. I like this idea of violent exercise. I'm gonna start doing more violent exercising. Yeah, that's good. I like violent exercising.


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[Assistant] The same severe usage is also proper for the heavy cavalry charge at those times. It is in the field, it is only in the field that they must be managed carefully to keep them in flesh and the squadrons complete and strong.


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[Assistant] Is when the infantry is practicing. They should advance on the fire and walk.


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[Assistant] And be kept calm, accustoming them to go closer and closer. They should never be beaten, but stroked and encouraged. In the space of a month, they will be so accustomed to it that they will even put their nose on the muzzle of the muskets.


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[Assistant] Without any fright or surprise, then they are alright. Nevertheless, they should not be allowed to approach too close, for once they get burned, you will not be able to bring them near again.


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[Assistant] Jordan Peterson was talking about and where the warrior kid how you slowly inoculate people You don't throw them into the you don't bring them right up to the firing line and start shooting the guns and let them get freaked out horribly Yeah, you bring them


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[Assistant] Cover move, little bit of that. I am convinced every unit that is not supported is a defeated organization.


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[Assistant] Infantry should always be supported by cavalry and cavalry by infantry. Covered move. Work together. Support.


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[Assistant] This is, this also has a purpose. Anyone searching for him will know instantly where to find him, especially in battle, and the troops seeing the standard will know that the general is observing them.


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[Assistant] So, one thing we did, and they do in the military is they, when you're giving your brief on how the mission's gonna go, your brief location of leadership. They say, okay guys, we're gonna take down these eight buildings, I'll be here in this building, uh, on the top floor.


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[Assistant] Boom. So if you need me, know where to come find me. If something happens, hey, where's this platoon leader gonna be? Yep, once we get our targets here, I'm gonna come over here, I'm gonna stand on the backside where the breach took place. If you need me, that's where I'll be. So everyone can, so you know where everyone is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you definitely don't want, uh, to mark your position. Right. Like these guys are doing. And as a matter of fact, and I'm trying to think of what book we recently did where he was talking about, like yeah, if you're seen running around, if you're a radio man,


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[Assistant] Or you're seen running around giving direction, you're going to get shot.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, they're talking about that. Oh yeaah, it definitely was the Battle of Wydrang. It was cause when they were leaving, they said like, within, within minutes, the leaders had been killed. The radium had been killed. The ones that were still with their elements. So yeaah, that's not something you wanna do. But what we would do is brief where we were gonna be, so that everyone on the team knew.


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[Assistant] Based on a terrain feature. Yeah. You know, hey, here's this, here's this building, or here's this knoll of this mountain, or here's this intersection, this road. That's where I'll be. That's where I'm, that's where I'm planning to be, so now people know where you are.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It wouldn't apply. Although, like, in the military, when the general is visiting, and is a two-star general, they raise a two-star flag. Yeah, same thing, there it is.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. If the standards are distinguished by their different colors, the actions of every century will be conspicuous. This will create the greatest emulation because both officers and soldiers will know that they are seen and that their countenance, conduct and behavior are not ignored by the rest of the army. The men as well as the officers will tell of it.


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[Assistant] Kind of a cool idea, you know, if you're, if you're flying the flag.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. After the organization of military troops, military discipline is the first matter that presents itself. It is the soul of armies. Hmm. That has such a nice ring to it.


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[Assistant] Is the soul of the individual as well, but I suppose we'll talk about that later. Back to the book. If it is not established with wisdom and maintained with unshakable resolution, you'll have no soldiers. Regiments and armies will be only contemptible armed mobs, more dangerous to their own country than the enemy.


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[Assistant] It is a false idea that discipline, subordination, and slavish obedience debase courage. It has always been noted that it is with those armies in which the severest discipline is enforced that the greatest deeds are performed.


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[Assistant] Many generals believe that they have done everything as soon as they have issued orders and that they are


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[Assistant] When a general feels like they've done everything as soon as they've given their order and since that's what they do, they give all kinds of orders. I'm gonna order you to do this. I'm gonna order you to do that. I'm gonna order you to do something else. Here's what he says. This is a false principle.


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[Assistant] But they should be followed up with care. Negligence should be punished without partiality and without distinction of rank or birth. Otherwise, you will make yourself hated. One can be exact and just.


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[Assistant] And be loved at the same time as feared. Severity must be accompanied with kindness, but this should not have the appearance of pretense, but of goodness.


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[Assistant] The more moderate they are, the more quickly will abuses be remedied since all the world will join in ending them. So even when you're whipping your people, you know, be a little bit more judicious.


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[Assistant] We have a, this is, this is good too. We have a pernicious custom in France of always punishing with death. A soldier caught pillaging is hung.


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[Assistant] Uhm, our pillaging, called pillaging, you're gonna get hung. What do you think, what do you think that happens? Because of that. Happens to who? What do you think, do you think, do you think-


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[Assistant] Do you think there's a lot of pillaging going on? If you get caught pillaging, they hang you. Or your fellow soldiers. Do you think they pillage? I say no. Okay, you're wrong. The result!


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[Assistant] or put to work in, in, at any of the labors that always have to be done in any army and then they were sent to his regiment before a battle or when the general wished, everyone would agree with this punishment and the officers of the patrols would arrest them by the hundreds.


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[Assistant] Good point, and I just remembered, somebody pointed out to me, you remember Rifleman Harris, and it starts off when Rifleman Harris has to execute a guy? And I said, I said on the podcast, hey, this guy's getting executed basically for desertion and being drunk.


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[Assistant] What I didn't realize is somebody sent me an email or a social media message. They said, hey, the reason that guy was getting executed was because he had taken the money for like 16 enlistments and kept disappearing. So when you get a signing bonus, hey, here's, here's,


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[Assistant] There's probably nothing, but you know, here's, here's ten quid or pounds sterling or whatever. Here's ten pounds sterling. Oh, you're joining the army? Cool, here's ten. And then you take that money, go get drunk and get crazy. And then you do it again, and then you do it again in a different area because they have no internet, they have no way of knowing that this is the guy. When they finally catch him, he's getting sentenced to death. Now,


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[Assistant] Do I think you should get sentenced to death, Ethan, for that? Not really, but he was doing something more severe than what I had mentioned on the podcast, so I just wanted to, while I'm thinking about that, set the record straight.


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[Assistant] The, the main point here for me is the secondary effects, right? You think you're gonna have, the primary effect is, oh, if we do this, no one's gonna, if we're gonna kill you, if you get cock pillaging, no one's gonna, no one's gonna pillage anymore.


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[Assistant] This is also how. This is also how and why.


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[Assistant] When people think that, oh, if someone's in the military, the soldiers just do what they're told. Wrong! The soldiers actually, there's secondary effects. Oh, you're gonna kill the guys? No, we're not gonna report it then. So there's secondary effects, even though they've been ordered to do that and they're soldiers and they have discipline, they've been trained. He's bragging about discipline all the time, guess what? They don't follow that order because the order sucks.


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[Assistant] And that's what we gotta remember, not just about the military, but about business too. You give people dumb orders, or you give people things that don't make sense, they're not really gonna execute it the way you'd want them to.


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you something else, you don't want them to execute that way because if they got hundreds of people pillaging and you now end up murdering hundreds of your own people, you're affecting your own army, you're going to get deserters.


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[Assistant] I wanna work in an army like that. Same thing with the business. You start laying out severe punishment that doesn't make sense. Isn't reciprocal to the crime that was committed. I mean, you pillage. Think about what pillaging is. I took some bread from the store.


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[Assistant] The punishment did not fit the crime. In that case.


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[Assistant] Alright. He, he's talking about where to build, where to build tactical positions. And he says, and this is just the same thing he said earlier about people, but he's talking about


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[Assistant] Basically talking about terrain now. Nature is infinitely stronger than the works of man. Why not profit from it? Meaning, use a river. Use a hill. Use, use terrain to build your defensive positions. Don't just use a shovel.


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[Assistant] Same thing that he talked about earlier with, with human beings.


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[Assistant] Now, another piece. Many persons believe that it is advantageous to take the field early. And this is coming right back, Sun Tzu Art of War. Be there first.


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[Assistant] Sax maybe doesn't agree with that a little bit here. They are right when it's a question of seizing an important post. Otherwise, it seems to me that there is no need to hasten and that one should remain in winter quarters longer than usual.


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[Assistant] So he goes on to talk, winter quarters means you're, you're gonna go out in the field. Well, we're gonna go out in the field now. And we're gonna be cold, wet, and miserable for the next three days while we wait for the enemy to show up. And now they show up fresh. Who's gonna do better in the battle? So just to think about, I used to say,


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[Assistant] The, the military used to say all the time, you know, you gotta be forward leaning. You ever heard that expression? Yeah, gotta be forward leaning. And I would say, let's not be so forward leaning that we're in the leaning rest. The leaning rest is the push-up position. Which they would leave you in for long periods of time in a lot of different...


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[Assistant] If we examine Roman history, we find, we shall find that Republic looked on ease and indolence as the most formidable enemies.


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[Assistant] The consoles prepared their legions for battle by rendering them indefatigable.


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[Assistant] They employed them on unnecessary works. Continual exercise makes good soldiers because it qualifies them for military duties. By being habituated to pain, they insensibly learn to despise danger.


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[Assistant] The transition from fatigue to rest.


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[Assistant] innervates them, meaning weakens them. They compare one state with another. And idleness, that predominant passion of mankind, gains ascendancy over them.


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[Assistant] Every minute that Charlie's out in the bush getting stronger. Every time I'm, every night I'm spending in this hotel's apocalypse now. Every night I'm sitting in this hotel getting softer. Every night Charlie's out in the bush getting stronger. That's what he's talking about here. Yep.


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[Assistant] Now, do I agree with having people do unnecessary works? No, I don't because people see right through that and you're just being stupid and taking...


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[Assistant] They're gonna see that. They're gonna say, why are we doing this? Dig the hole, fill it back up, dig the hole, fill it back up. No, don't do that. But you know what, we're gonna do a training exercise. We're gonna do a training exercise, we're gonna get stronger, we're gonna get, we're gonna dig a hole, we're gonna put, you know, set it up for a perimeter, then we're gonna move to another situation as if we have to back away.


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[Assistant] Or, or collapse our perimeter, cause when you collapse a perimeter, you gotta fill that hole back in, otherwise when the enemy comes attack you, they use it.


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[Assistant] That's an interesting one, cause, cause I think, I think like with kids, if you make burpees a punishment, they don't like burpees. If you make it a reward, they like them, and you're better off.


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[Assistant] No, calisthenics are definitely punishment in the military. Yea, straight up. And it's not until you transition out of the boot camp scenarios that you get away from that. Now,


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[Assistant] In the SEAL teams, like, they don't, you don't do calisthenics as punishment. I will say that


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[Assistant] If you mess up, like for instance, when I was running training, if the guys performed poorly,


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[Assistant] It was imposed. Okay. Yes, it was imposed and they knew it was imposed. Yeah, okay. And, and so yeah, you, you, if you miss, in the SEAL teams, if you miss the extraction point with the boats coming to pick you up after a dive, well now you gotta swim to the new exotic, new pickup point. Guess what? The new pickup point isn't close.


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[Assistant] And so that means you gotta swim an extra, you know, maybe it's an extra hour of surface swimming with a rig on, which is not fun by the way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause you can't, you're, you're not just, you're not just having fun, right? It's called turtle backing. You're laying on your back cause it's really awkward. It's, it's, it's comfortable to dive with our dive rig. We have a dive rig.


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[Assistant] It's not, it's not tiny. It's closed circuit. It's closed circuit. Yeah, look at you. Look at you, big time. So it's a closed circuit dive rig, but when it runs out, you can't, doesn't work anymore. So,


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[Assistant] You have to swim and we do something called turtle back generally, which is basically you're laying on your back and you're just fending and it takes a long time to move very far and it's not comfortable.


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[Assistant] Because you screwed up. Same thing with if you missed your helicopter extraction because you took too long on target and you got bogged down and it took you a long time to move all these down people. That's, I mean it happens and we understand that.


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[Assistant] But now you have to walk to the secondary extraction point, which happens to be six kilometers up a hill. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, they don't do that. Well, they don't do it in the SEAL teams. They definitely do it in the army. They definitely do it in the Rangers. The Rangers, they're dropping down all the time. Right, right, right. And, but no, we don't do that in the SEAL teams.


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[Assistant] I don't think about that kind of stuff. I think being, I would say that I, that I would not do it when I was in a military leadership position. Just because I would rather, I don't know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Like it makes sense when I know that the army runs it that way. It makes sense. And by the way, when the army does it, and I shouldn't even say anything else about the way the army does it, cause I'm not, I don't know exactly how they implement that strategy. So next time we have Tim Kennedy on, we'll get him to give us a full debrief on that. We'll get another, another ranger on here to give us a full debrief on that.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, there's no doubt, the great byproduct of calisthenics as punishment is you get stronger.


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[Assistant] It's weird, it's weird, it's not a thing. Yeah. It's not a thing. Like, hey, you're gonna drop down and give me 50. Like, that literally, I never saw that happen a single, mmmmm. It might have happened with new guys sometimes.


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[Assistant] But even with new guys, if you really want to get through to a new guy, what you want them to be good at is tactics, not pushups. People in teams, you're supposed to do pushups on your own, man. Yeah, that's kind of what it seems like. We're not in here to teach you how to do pushups, like you need to, you need to be in shape, but we want to see.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe that's why in the teams they don't do it, cause they want you to be self-disciplined. Yeaah, like specifically. Yeaah, not, not self, not disciplined by the group, but, but yeaah, you don't want to impose discipline.


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[Assistant] Interesting. So, well, regardless, I think that you should train hard because you don't want to have your soul get softened inside of your emasculated body. That just sounds like something I don't want to be a part of, so I'll keep training.


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[Assistant] He has counted on a certain thing, has disposed himself accordingly, and at the instant of attacking, it has changed. So this is, this is...


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[Assistant] Pretty cool, right? This is a good thing to remember. I like what he talked about, his psychological effect that it has on the enemy. So the enemy sees something.


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[Assistant] They expect something, they want something to go a certain way, so they arrange themselves for it, and then right when they're getting ready to execute it, they realize it wasn't what they thought, and he says there's nothing more disconcerting. And I'd say that's true of the person too.


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[Assistant] You know, the unexpected is what disturbs people especially


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[Assistant] You see this all the time in MMA, where a guy gets close to a submission, and then the other guy gets out. Yeah. And he expended some of his energy. You can see the, you can see the, the, the moral draining from their face when it happens. Yeah, it's bad. I get that sometimes. Do you?


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[Assistant] If he does not change his disposition, he will be defeated. And if he changes them in the presence of the enemy, he will still be defeated.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to think of how that affects someone's psyche. Oh, yeah, it affects it definitely affects you psychologically like you throw the You think you're gonna get this person the triangle you put it on there and then all of a sudden boom you realize It's not just that you missed the triangle. Let's see you realize that you got played. You got played. You got set right up And that doesn't feel good and that can definitely hurt your morale. Yeah. Yeah, because


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[Assistant] That's a little different than just missing the move. When you realize you got set up for that.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to think if I ever got played like that on the battlefield. You know, sometimes we'd hit a target and it was real obvious that, you know, we had been


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[Assistant] I wouldn't say set up, but like there's no one there. Like clearly the information that we got was wrong. And you'd be kinda like, dang.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's a digger on the psychology for sure.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, I do not care for either one.


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[Assistant] Oh, sorry, it says lines and entrenchments, so he's talking about lines and entrenchments meaning defensive positions. I do not care for either


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[Assistant] The one or the other of these works. When I hear talk of lines


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[Assistant] I always think I am hearing of talk of the walls of China. The good ones are those that nature has made.


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[Assistant] And the good entrenchments are good dispositions and brave soldiers.


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[Assistant] Again, just capitalizing on nature and saying that brave soldiers are more important than your position.


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[Assistant] Danger is probably the worst thing. You know, I see this, uh, I see a lot of kids on the wrestling mat right now because it's wrestling season.


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[Assistant] And you can see the kids get nervous before they get on the map, but once they get on the map they're in the game.


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[Assistant] There was a iconic picture of Sarge. This is pretty iconic. And he was going against...


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[Assistant] He is, he's a good wrestler. But when I see these kids, and he wrestled at Poway High School, which is uh, one of the best wrestling high schools.


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[Assistant] Maybe in the country. I mean, it's definitely incredible program. And he went there and wrestled there.


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[Assistant] You can see just boom boom boom is hitting the devils, but it reminded me of the iconic picture of Sarge.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, there's a picture of Sarge and they put him on, it was, it was one of those pictures that was so good that they put it like on the cover. And I think, I don't know if it was that one or if it happened later in the match, he was double legging him out of bounds like he was into the table.


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[Assistant] And, and you won too Sargewin. Hard to submit. So like, you just got taken down, that's two points.


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[Assistant] And now, what are you gonna do? Cause you can't sweep, Sarge. Right? It's hard. I mean, of course you can, but it's hard. You only have a few minutes. And, it's hard to submit. Oh, but you got back to your feet. Cool, you just got taken out again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when Tyrone Woodley, Tyrone Woodley fought Damien Maia, and Damien is an incredible Jiu Jitsu player, and he couldn't get Tyrone down to the mat. And every time he shot, I would hit my son.


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[Assistant] And, cause every time, every time Damian shot.


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[Assistant] He would, uh, Tyron would just stuff the shot. And I'd hit my son and go, that's why you wrestle. That's why you wrestle, boy. Cause you're gonna be able to take people down.


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[Assistant] And then once you get to the ground, if you have the jujitsu, well now you got problems. Because Tyron didn't want to go to the ground with Damien. No. Because that would have been very problematic for him.


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[Assistant] So it's like the solution is to chase something that's 12 years ahead of you. Yeaah. These 8 years ahead of you in wrestling.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying don't wrestle. Well, I think I'll tell you what I think the solution is off the top of my head. You learn enough wrestling and then you figure out how to incorporate your jujitsu into the wrestling so that, and I say this all the time and Dean will tell you the same thing.


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[Assistant] Dean will, Dean will hesitate to shoot on me.


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[Assistant] Because he knows there's significant threats there.


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[Assistant] He'll shoot all day on a good wrestler. Cause he doesn't care what happens. They're not gonna, they're not gonna catch him. Most likely.


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[Assistant] And I feel the same way. I'll shoot, I'll shoot all day on a, on a good wrestler, cause I don't care. They're not gonna catch me anything, and if they do, I'll be able to do the proper defense and escape it. But Dean? No. Like, no, that's a real problem.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Andy and I have been having a problem. Whoever shoots loses. Yeah, because we both have good anti-wrestling. So.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's, there's problems with that.


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[Assistant] Well, there's not problems with that. One of the easiest ways is to be very, I guess this is a problem, is to be very non-aggressive.


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[Assistant] You already are, are a lot harder to take down than if you, like, if I go in and start trying to take down a wrestler, they're gonna put me on my ass. Because I'm trying to take them in, they know their counter's that much better, their timing's that much better, they hit the switch, boom, all of a sudden I'm down. You know?


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[Assistant] If I'm just trying to avoid you, it's the same thing with somebody that's a really good striker. If you're just, if your goal is to, if you start striking with a striker that's better than you, you are more likely to get knocked out. You're more likely to get hit because you're playing their, that's the point. You're playing their game. Yeah. And you don't want to play their game.


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[Assistant] Now, what sucks about that, and it even happened in the Tyrone Woodley fight, it was a boring fight.


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[Assistant] Because it was shots getting stuffed, stand up, some striking, shots getting stuffed, stand up, striking, shots getting stuffed. That's what the fight was. It was a very boring fight. Because his goal is to not get taken down.


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[Assistant] Andy's a wrestler, so he had the capability of doing it, and that was that.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, that's great. I mean yeaah, you find a way to submit them, submit them, that's great too.


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[Assistant] You know, if he was going against a good wrestler, I'd say use your jiu jitsu. If he's going against a good jiu jitsu guy, I'd say use your wrestling. Dean would have a tendency


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[Assistant] Because of his personality to want to go against them in their strength.


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[Assistant] So he's trying to out-wrestle wrestlers. He's trying to out-jiu-jitsu, out-jiu-jitsu guys. He would, he would, that's his natural tendency, would be to go at people's strengths. And I'd have to like, say no, do jiu-jitsu against this guy. And then he'd do it and get what he needed to get.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, when one is obliged to defend entrenchments, one should post all the battalions directly behind the parapet because if once the enemy sets foot upon that, those in the rear will think of nothing but to save themselves.


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[Assistant] And that's why you gotta think of con- contingencies. That's one of the biggest things, one of the best things about thinking about contingencies is just that you're aware of it's gonna ha- just that you've thought about it for a half a second. Big 10. That makes you so much better off getting caught completely- getting caught completely off guard. I mean this happens in Jiu Jitsu. The thing that you get caught with


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[Assistant] My daughter, my 8 year old daughter will try and scare me. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. And she'll hide somewhere.


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[Assistant] And if I don't expect it, I get startled. And then what I do is I just, you know, you're talking about punishments.


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[Assistant] No, what I, no, I punished myself. Oh, that's good. So she, so she scared me twice last year. Like that actually made me a little bit startled. She tried 98 times. 96 of them were ineffective.


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[Assistant] Alright. But I'll tell you what. What was your punishment? I s- I punished myself. Burpees. Burpees. Got it. Burpees. Cool. And then, but I really enjoy scaring people. Sure. A lot. I don't know why. I find it very...


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[Assistant] Entertaining and funny and satisfying. So I do, when I scare people, it like makes them cry. Yeah, I can see that.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. Well, let me catch us up to where we were talking about the shock that happens when


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[Assistant] People don't expect something. Back to the book. This is a general rule in war and decides all battles and all actions.


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[Assistant] It would be much better to post a single rank there armed with pikes whose business will be to push the assailant back as fast as they attempt them out. And certainly, they will execute this duty because it is what they expect and what they prepared for.


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[Assistant] If with this you post infantry formed according to my method into centuries at a distance of 30 paces from the entrenchment, these troops will see that they are placed there to charge the enemy as fast as he enters.


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[Assistant] And attempts to form. They will not be astonished to see the enemy enter because they expect it and will charge vigorously.


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[Assistant] Instead, if instead they had been placed on the parapet, they would have fled.


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[Assistant] That is how a trifle changes everything in war and how human weaknesses cannot be managed except by allowing for them.


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[Assistant] Cause if you don't try and manage these weaknesses, y-you-


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[Assistant] You, you don't allow for them, then they're gonna, they're gonna jam you up as you would say.


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[Assistant] You, you gotta put, you gotta put them in a situation where that ego's gonna flourish and not be offended and, and when it does get offended, you gotta allow for that and how you're gonna adapt to it.


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[Assistant] So there's two major points, you know, number one, if you set people up so that what they ex- what they expect to happen happens, they're gonna have a better chance of achieving what it is you want them to achieve.


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[Assistant] Cause if these guys are in the parapet and all of a sudden they get run upon and they're surprised by it.


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[Assistant] And their mission was to defend the parapet, well now they're, they're getting overrun.


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[Assistant] Whereas if you say no, once the parapet gets taken, you attack. Now they're, they know the parapet's gonna, it's not gonna be a surprise to them. They expect it to happen, and then when they, they get the opportunity, they're gonna get in there and get after it.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, Flynn, Flynn from Echelon Front, newest member of Echelon Front, but he just wrote an article about a guy, he was stationed on a ship before he got to the teams, and he was saying this guy had


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[Assistant] Been late for work, but he was trying to bring the guy along, had a lot of potential, blah blah blah. Anyways, they go to actually do a, uh,


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[Assistant] Important training with their weapons on the ship that they were on and the guy missed the ship leaving port.


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[Assistant] And he says, you know, I should have fired the guy before this, and now I'm out here, I don't have this primary guy, and you let down me and let down the ship and everything like that. But he didn't account for human weakness. He, you know, he thought that he could bring this guy along, but he just, you know, it's one of those things. If you don't allow for that human weakness in there, you might be, you might be getting left high and dry.


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[Assistant] Made that thing on the Echelon front webpage. Which is called...


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[Assistant] The platoon hut. Yeah, and we're just like writing little, I guess it could be referred to as a blog.


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[Assistant] That's not really a blog, cause a blog to me seems very, you know, just, hey, we're just gonna write whatever. We're bloggy. Yeah. So this is, this is some little, I guess you might wanna call them articles?


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[Assistant] The platoon hut. And the reason we called it platoon hut is because that's where you'd sit around and


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[Assistant] Talk shop. I guess we talk about other things, but when you get back from a training op.


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[Assistant] Surface warfare officer in the Navy didn't allow for the human weakness of this young sailor in a costume.


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[Assistant] Going back to the book, the Greeks were very skillful in the art of war and well disciplined. But their large phalanx was never able to contend with the small bodies of Romans disposed in this formation. Now he goes on to, there's a guy named Polybius.


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[Assistant] And he goes on to quote a huge chunk of text from Polybius. Polybius was a Greek historian. And...


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[Assistant] Polybius actually talked about why the Roman armies could defeat the phalanx. And... pretty... interesting.


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[Assistant] Against it in front or in support of the violent attack. So while the phalanx is in order, you're not gonna be able to defeat it. So the phalanx is a military formation and he talks a little bit about what it's made up of here. When the ranks are closed in order to engage each soldier,


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[Assistant] As he stands with his arms, occupies a space of three feet. The spears in their ancient form were 17 cubits long. A cubit is about 18 inches.


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[Assistant] For the sake of rendering them more commodious in actions, they have since been reduced to fourteen. Of these, four cubits are contained between the part which the soldier grasps in his hands and the lower end of the spear behind which serves as a counterpoise to the part that is extended before him.


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[Assistant] And when, and the length of this last part from the body of the soldier when the spear is pushed forwards with both hands against the enemy is in consequence 10 cubits.


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[Assistant] From hence it follows that when the phalanx is closed in its proper form, every soldier pressed within the necessary distance with respect to the man that is before him and on his side, the spears of the fifth rank are extended to the length of two cubits and those of the second, third and fourth to a still greater length beyond the foremost rank.


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[Assistant] It is manifest, manifest then that several spears differing


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[Assistant] Each other in the length of two cubits are extended before every man in the foremost rank. And when it is considered likewise that the phalanx is formed by 16 in depth.


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[Assistant] 16 people deep. 16 people deep. And they've got these spears. And they adjust the spears depending on where you are in the ranks. So the guy that's 5 ranks back still has a little bit of his spear sticking out.


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[Assistant] And by the way, if one of those guys goes down, there's another 14 people there ready to take his place. So the phalanx was locked together, the shield's protecting the person to your left, and


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[Assistant] And obviously the, the Greeks were hardcore warriors and this is what they used and they used to crush people with this phalanx. Crush them. Spears and shields, that's all you see.


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[Assistant] Polybius talks about what the Romans did and what their setup was.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. To each of the Roman soldiers as he stands in arms is allotted the same space of three feet.


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[Assistant] As every soldier in time of action is constantly in motion being forced to shift his shield continuously so that he may cover any part of his body against which a stroke is aimed and to vary the position of his sword so as to either push or to make a falling stroke there must be also a distance of three feet.


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[Assistant] And the man that stands next to him both on his side and behind him. So the Romans are in the same similar position.


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[Assistant] It will be easy, therefore, to conceive that while the Phalanx retains its proper position and strengths, no troops, as I have before observed, can support the attack of it in front. So if you're going against the Phalanx, you're gonna lose if you go in front.


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[Assistant] To what cause then is it described that the Roman armies are victorious and those defeated that employed the phalanx?


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[Assistant] So how is it that the Romans were able to beat the phoenix? This is the cause. In war.


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[Assistant] The times and places of action are various and indefinite.


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[Assistant] But there is only one time and place, one fixed and determined manner of action that is suited to the phalanx.


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[Assistant] In the case of a general action, if an enemy be forced to encounter with the phalanx in the very time and place which the latter requires, it is probable in the highest degree that the phalanx must obtain victory.


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[Assistant] So, if you fight the phalanx where the phalanx wants you to fight it, meaning on a big open area,


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[Assistant] But, if it is possible to avoid an engagement in such circumstances, and it is indeed easy to do it, there is nothing to be dreaded from this order of battle.


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[Assistant] And browse of hills or the channels of rivers and that any of these are sufficient to impede it and to dissolve it, the, and to dissolve the order in which it was formed.


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[Assistant] If the enemy coming down on it should lead their army through the country plundering the cities and ravaging the lands of what use then will be the phalanx. So all you have to do is get them in some rough terrain.


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[Assistant] You get them on some rough terrain and that phalanx, I mean, it's, it's hard to march already. We know that, but now we're marching against weird terrain and the guy in front of you trips and falls. Well, what does he hit? He hits a rock and now that makes this guy fall and all of a sudden we got a big disaster on our hands.


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[Assistant] Back to the book. When the Romans attack the phalanx in the front, they never employ all their forces so as to make their line equal to that of the enemy, but lead on only a part of their troops and the rest they keep in reserve.


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[Assistant] Now whether the troops of the phalanx break the line that is opposed to them or whether they are broken themselves, the formation peculiar to the phalanx is alike dissolved. So even if they win that initial


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[Assistant] Onslaught. Even if the Phalanx wins that, the Phalanx is out of order.


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[Assistant] If they pursue the fugitive or if on the other hand they retreat and are pursued, in either case they are separated from the rest of their own body.


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[Assistant] And thus, there is left some space which the reserve of the Roman army takes care to seize and then charges the remaining part of the phalanx. But the charge is not made against the front, but in the flank or the rear.


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[Assistant] Since it is easy then to avoid the conditions that are favorable to the phalanx, and since those on the contrary that are disadvantageous to it can never be avoided, it is certain that this difference alone must carry with it a decisive weight in time of action. So, let them get a little bit disrupted. Once they're disrupted, flank them.


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[Assistant] The Roman order, on the contrary, is never attended, even on such occasions, with any disadvantage. Among the Romans, every single soldier, when he is once armed and ready for service, is alike, fitted and engaged,


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[Assistant] Fitted to engage in any time or place or in any appearance of the enemy and preserves the always the same power and the same capacity and action whether in separate companies or man to man.


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[Assistant] So, big destructive element in front of you. Don't go head on head with it. We've learned this over and over again. You might want to distract it, sure.


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[Assistant] Don't go at them, and don't do it where they want to do it.


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[Assistant] Attempts should be made to extend the lines as much as possible. Makes sense, right? I just don't wanna, I wanna let, make the person think that we're gonna attack him on the whole, the whole line that he's got. This will make the enemy fearful everywhere so that he will not withdraw troops from any point to reinforce that which you intend to attack even after he discovers it.


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[Assistant] This makes many of his troops useless and this was D-Day. So what we did on D-Day.


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[Assistant] You know, they did those massive deception operations, the Brits, the Americans, they built those fake.


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[Assistant] Tanks and fake planes and put them all there. They were inflatable. You've seen that stuff, right? Have you seen that?


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[Assistant] Oh yea, the Americans and the Brits, when we were trying to, to confuse Hitler about where we were going to attack D-Day,


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[Assistant] Back to the book, too much attention cannot be paid to spies and guides. They are like eyes.


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[Assistant] And are equally necessary to a gen-general. He is, uh,


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[Assistant] The commanding general. I have formed a picture of a commanding general, which is not a miracle.


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[Assistant] I have seen such men. The first qualities, the first of all qualities is courage. Without this the others are of little value since they cannot be used. The second is intelligence, which must be strong and fertile in expedience. The third is health.


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[Assistant] He should possess a talent for sudden and appropriate improvisation. That's a good, that's, you don't expect that.


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[Assistant] If I didn't make this clear enough, he's kind of going through the characteristics that he believes a good commanding general should have.


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[Assistant] He should be able to penetrate the minds of other men while remaining impenetrable himself.


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[Assistant] He should be endowed with the capacity of being prepared for everything. With the activity, with activity accompanied by judgment.


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[Assistant] With the skill to make proper decision on all occasions and with exactness of discernment.


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[Assistant] He should have a good disposition, free from, from Caprice, and be a stranger to hatred. And Caprice is like, you're just gonna change your mind all the time.


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[Assistant] He should punish without mercy. Especially those who are dearest to him, but never from anger.


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[Assistant] But he says you should punish without mercy, especially those who are dearest to you. And I think that goes to what he was saying about troops. Hey, you're gonna draft people, you gotta make sure you draft the rich people too.


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[Assistant] And I think he's saying you gotta treat people fairly, right? Even when you're, even when it's lashing boys.


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[Assistant] He should always be grieved when he is forced to execute the military rules and should have the example of Menelius.


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[Assistant] Constantly before his eyes. And manlius actually, manlius.


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[Assistant] He was like a Roman, uh, hero during, during the Gallic siege. And he, but beyond that, he was sort of like a, I wanna call him a human rights advocate, but maybe that's too strong of a word. But anyways, he ended up getting, uh, crucif- uh, not crucified, thrown from a-


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[Assistant] Shown from a great height and killed as his execution. But he's sorta seen as a guy that stood up. He almost was in like an Alamo scenario.


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[Assistant] Like in Texas, when they stood and were killed. He was in one of those situations, but he wasn't killed during that Gallic siege of Rome. Anyways, back to the book. He should discard the idea that it is he who punishes and should persuade himself and others that he only administers the military laws. With these qualities, he will be loved,


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[Assistant] He'll be feared and without doubt obeyed.


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[Assistant] The functions of a general are infinite. He must know how to subsist his army and how to husband it. How to place it so that it will not be forced upon to fight except when he chooses.


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[Assistant] How to form his troops in an infinity of different, infinity of different dispositions.


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[Assistant] How to profit from that favorable moment which occurs in all battles and which decides their success.


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[Assistant] All these things are of immense importance and are as varied as the situations and dispositions which produce them.


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[Assistant] In order to see all these things, the general should be occupied with nothing else the day of the battle. The inspection of the terrain and the disposition of his troops should be prompt, like the flight of an eagle.


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[Assistant] This done, his orders should be short and simple. As for instance, the first line of attack, the first line will attack and the second will be in support. Boom. That's it.


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[Assistant] Keep it simple. The generals under his command must be incompetent indeed if they do not know how to execute this order and to perform the proper maneuvers with their respective divisions. Thus the commander in chief will not be forced to occupy himself with it, nor be embarrassed with the details.


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[Assistant] For if he attempts to be a battle sergeant and be everywhere himself, he will resemble the fly in the fable that thought he was driving the coach.


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[Assistant] Thus on the day of the battle, I should want the general to do nothing. His observations will be better for it.


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[Assistant] His judgment will be more sane, and he will be in a better state to profit from the situations in which the enemy finds himself during the engagement. And when he sees an occasion, he should unleash his energies, hasten to the critical point at top speed, seize the first troops available, advance them rapidly, and lead them in person.


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[Assistant] These are the strokes that decide battles and gain victories.


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[Assistant] The important thing is to see the opportunity and know how to use it. So what he's saying there is you gotta be detached.


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[Assistant] But he's saying you definitely can't get laid down in the weeds. You can't be the sergeant that's trying to do everything.


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[Assistant] Back to the book, many commanding generals only spend their time on the day of the battle in making their troops march in a straight line, in seeing that they keep their proper distances, in answering questions which their aides de camp come to ask, in sending them hither and thither, and in running about incessantly themselves.


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[Assistant] In short, they try to do everything, and as a result, do nothing. So this is a great, this is just...


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[Assistant] You're in a leadership position. You try and do everything yourself, you're not gonna do anything at all.


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[Assistant] Then it's the same, that's the same thing as prioritize and execute. If you try and solve all the problems that are happening at the same time, you're not gonna solve any of those problems.


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[Assistant] They appear to me like men with their heads turned who no longer see anything and who are only able to do what they have done all their lives, which is to conduct troops methodically under their orders, uh, under the orders of a commander.


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[Assistant] How does this happen? It is because very few men occupy themselves with the higher problems of war. They pass their lives drilling troops and believe that this is the only branch of the military act.


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[Assistant] That is so classic. It's so classic when people don't know, they don't understand something.


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[Assistant] They do what they know how to do. They always default into what they know how to do.


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[Assistant] For the conduct of the latter, it is essential that ordinary men should not be chosen.


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[Assistant] Unless a man is born with a talent for war, he will never be other than a mediocre general.


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[Assistant] It's the same with all talents. In painting, or in music, or in poetry, the talent must be inherent for excellence. All sublime arts are alike in this respect. That is why we see so few outstanding men in science. Centuries pass without producing one.


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[Assistant] Application rectifies ideas, but does not furnish a soul.


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[Assistant] I just answered a question on Twitter, I think it was. Uhm, and I basically said, well, you know, you can't do whatever you want.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like and I always use the example like I couldn't be an Olympic Let's say an Olympic weightlifter or in fact, I don't know that there's any Olympic sport that I would be that I have the genetic


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[Assistant] Makeup to be able to, to be able to compete at the Olympic level. Of course we could go back and maybe that's possible from a child, but I don't feel like it.


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[Assistant] But even right now, you know, if you take that to the extreme, that means, hey, you know what, if I have the focus and if I have the discipline, I can become an Olympic wrestler now. High jump.


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[Assistant] That is not true. And some people are not going to achieve certain things that they may want to achieve no matter how hard they want to do it. And I, you know, most people are like, yeah, that's realistic. Some people are like, no, if you believe it, you can achieve it. It's like, if I could believe it,


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[Assistant] That's the way it is. I'm sorry to let everyone down.


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[Assistant] Totally true, yeaah. So yeaah, you've got, absolutely. So yes, belief by itself won't make anything happen.


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[Assistant] And, and the same token that is also correct, is that if you don't believe in what you're doing, then yeaah, there's no way you're gonna achieve it.


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[Assistant] You won't be able to gut through it when it gets problematic, which it's certainly going to. So, Sax agrees with me that, hey, the work of nature has to be in play. Otherwise, it's not happening. You might get to some level, but reality is,


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[Assistant] You don't seem like you want to admit this. No, no, no. I think you're over there like you, if you wanted to go the


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[Assistant] Well, let's face it. Let's say playing guitar. Cause I play guitar. And I also now kinda play ukulele. Yeaah. But let's say playing guitar.


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[Assistant] Hundreds of thousands just in America. There's hundreds of thousands of people that play guitar at an incredibly capable Proficiency right they can play every song that you hear on the radio, but you know what they do for a living


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[Assistant] Well they play cover songs, they're also working as a banker somewhere. Because they didn't have whatever creative thing that would give them...


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[Assistant] Well, another classic example is look at the people, you know, if I go to an academic, a high level academic environment where everyone is, you know, incredibly intelligent, but not all of them are able to do something that


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[Assistant] Point towards. So just because you got a 1600 on your SATs and you did this and you went to this great college.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of people that did all those things and they're not what they themselves would consider successful.


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[Assistant] Right? And so the reality is there's something not there. And like you said, I don't know that you can actually put your finger on it. Yeah. Because there's some other kid that didn't do any of that and


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[Assistant] Made stuff happen. Yeah. And was extremely successful. There's thousands and thousands of examples like that too.


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[Assistant] Let's take it to a new level, not just making it, but actually being a...


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[Assistant] The highest level. Yea. For that person, you gotta have the talent, and you gotta have the work. Yea. You gotta do both. It tends to be the case. Check.


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[Assistant] Who lost their heads completely and were unable to make a decision. Any decision.


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[Assistant] So, he sees the same thing. And you, you know, I see that with business leaders.


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[Assistant] The business leader that you need to be at the beginning of your business is not the same business leader that you need to be once your business is more successful. You gotta have this. Some guys are good at street fighting.


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[Assistant] Right, they're good at street fighting, they're not good at planning a war, planning a campaign. And so you might win as a company if you're a leader at the street fighting level, and you do good, you scrap it out, then as you grow,


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[Assistant] If you don't transition mentally and become a different kind of leader, not a different person, but a different kind of leader, you may not be able to win at the higher levels.


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[Assistant] Pay attention to back to the book. One should once and for all establish standard combat procedures which the troops as well as the general who leads them know.


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[Assistant] I'm not the first person to talk about standard operating procedures at all. These are general rules such as preserving proper distances on the march when charging to charge vigorously to fill up intervals in the first line from the second. No written instructions are required for this. It is the ABC of the troops and nothing is simpler. Standard operating procedures.


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[Assistant] He also says that the general should preserve an unfettered mind and not occupy himself with trifles.


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[Assistant] I am convinced that a skillful general could make war all his life without being forced into one.


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[Assistant] War can be made without leaving anything to chance.


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[Assistant] And this has, and this is the highest point of perfection and skill as a general.


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[Assistant] So he, now, are there things that are left to chance in war? Yeaah. There's a lot of things that are left to chance in war, but can you mitigate a lot of those? Yeaah, absolutely. Back to the book, the words of the proverb


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[Assistant] Meaning, I'm gonna give, if the enemy wants to run, I'm gonna build him a bridge of gold to run on. You wanna run away? That's great. War is over. This is false.


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[Assistant] On the contrary, the pursuit should be pushed to the limit, and the retreat which had appeared such a satisfactory solution will be turned into a route.


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[Assistant] A detachment of 10,000 men can destroy an army of 100,000 in flight. Nothing inspires so much terror or occasions. So much damage for everything is lost. So are you saying, no, you don't let the enemy get away? When they're running, that's when you destroy them completely.


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[Assistant] This is not to say that it is necessary to give yourself up totally to the pursuit and follow the enemy with all your forces.


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[Assistant] But if the officer you have ordered in pursuit prides himself upon the regularity of his formation and the precautions of his march, there is no use in having sent him. He must attack, push, and pursue without cease.


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[Assistant] These leaders throughout history that were able to lead through the harshest of conditions.


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[Assistant] There's obviously a lot of common principles that they share. And so the question is, okay, why do we keep reading them?


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[Assistant] Why do I keep trying to confirm the same things? Why am I always looking actually for counterpoints as well?


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[Assistant] That offers some kind of different solution, like the one about Sun Tzu today. You don't need to be early on the battlefield. If it's cold out there and it's gonna wear down your troops, don't be early.


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[Assistant] But from my perspective, the more different angles that you see these things, the more different ways that you learn the same lesson, the more clearly you understand it.


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[Assistant] Learn an armlock from three different people. They're all gonna give you something different and it's the same thing. We get something slightly different from all these strategic thinkers. And we get better understanding of it. And there are differences in what people say.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna continually try to reinforce, try and fortify, try and stay humble as Sax talked about, continue to learn and relearn and discard what doesn't work and always try and get better.


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[Assistant] And I think that's all I've got for tonight.


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[Assistant] If anyone's wondering if you're watching on YouTube and you're seeing me drink two things I'm drinking two things one of them is in a smart water bottle and it is I'm drinking discipline


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[Assistant] The other is in a Poland Spring bottle that I brought back from Maine to remind me of Maine. And I'm drinking that one. Choco White Tea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well they're up in the northeast we'll say. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but you won't get, you won't find Poland Spring out here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and joint warfare is what I'm feeling is, for me, that's kind of, it's new, right? And I'm like, man, I wish I could have had this for a long time. Wait, the joint warfare? Yeah. Yeah. Cause you can feel, it's like you're getting maintenance.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be good. You're gonna like it. It's a protein drink.


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[Assistant] And it's gonna be aw- it's- I've had- we've done two samplings given the ingre- you know, so we give the ingredients to the supplement factory, they mix them, and we've gone through two- two- we've gone through two iterations, right? The first iteration.


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[Assistant] The first one I was like, oh, this is, this tastes good. Really good. Like, the kind where you think, this is a whole new thing. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And that was one of the things we researched to figure out how we could make it taste legit good, where you want, not you're holding your nose and forcing down, but the first sample that we got, which I was in Maine when we tasted it,


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[Assistant] We stood there, it was me, Brian, and Pete, and we were standing there, and we all mixed it up together and poured it into three separate cups, and everyone when we drank it, everyone was like, quiet for a second.


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[Assistant] Well, this one was mint chocolate. And it's just really good. And obviously the protein in it is awesome.


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[Assistant] And we've got some other things in it that are gonna make it more complete. But yea, and then I just got the sec, but you know there was a couple adjustments that I wanted to make to the taste, just the pure taste. So we just made those adjustments. I got the second iteration in.


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[Assistant] It tastes even better than the first one, but I still, I've sent them back for one more, but hopefully there'll only be one more iteration before we can start producing. It's not going to come out for a while. Uh, it takes a long time to get everything right.


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[Assistant] That's another thing, you don't have to drink something that tastes like crap just because it's awesome for you. You can drink something that tastes good.


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[Assistant] And I'll tell you, one thing I've noticed, and I don't know if this is, I don't know what this means, but,


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[Assistant] When I drink Discipline, I work out in the morning as I say all the time, I don't do a pre-workout thing. It's not my thing, right? I work out in the morning on an empty stomach. And there's this old rock climber.


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[Assistant] Anyways, if you have some discipline, the drink...


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[Assistant] Then, you will feel, like, so when I get done working out, maybe like, let's say, you know how I always say, oh I usually have some nuts around, some mixed nuts just to kind of get in my gut. Little food.


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[Assistant] Eating even cleaner, because I'm eating, like, I'm eating basically right now, I think I'm eating once a day.


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[Assistant] It's working good for me, cause I'll tell you why, when I eat less I feel better.


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[Assistant] And, but this is just, yeaah, it's nice to be able to get to feel energized and sharp mentally without getting crazy, uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, but when I'm for sure when you're like when I'm doing a fast


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[Assistant] I wanna be doing something. If you sit around and think about food, bro, that's horrible. You feel like, like when Charlie Plum was talking about being in the Hanoi Hilton and he's just thinking of, they were just literally sitting around thinking about food all the time. Cause there wasn't even anything to do.


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[Assistant] It's funny because right now I got my, you know, it's wrestling season so the weight cuts are on. And they're not, neither one of my kids that are wrestling are cutting a bunch of weight.


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[Assistant] It means that you don't, it means that there's times when you don't eat for a day. Right? So, you get to see the effects of that. And my daughter's like, I feel, she's like, yea I feel fine. She's, does she get hangry or nothing? Yea, she doesn't get hangry. I warned my wife.


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[Assistant] I said, hey, you need to watch out, cause when people, cause when you're cutting weight with fighters, they're cutting much more severe weight and they start getting in bad moods.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. They start getting in bad moods because they can't eat. They get hangry, yeah. But neither one of my kids are cutting that much weight. They're just kind of maintaining through the season.


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[Assistant] Hungry. Oh, come on, man. Listen to me. I'm calling. No, no, listen, listen. I'll tell you why, because I believe that if you, if he hadn't made all those things,


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[Assistant] Isn't it weird that you can go on the internet and find two scientific articles that say the exact opposites? Just follow me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I woke up at like 3.50 and I was kinda, I was like, dang, that felt good. Yeah. I was, but I didn't sleep almost at all the night before, so I was recovering, I needed to...


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[Assistant] The one that goes by the- I know, if you think about it, there's really three types of podcasts that are happening. One is Q&A.


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[Assistant] So this would be with Napoleon's maxims. Yeaah. Something like that. The Art of War by Sun Tzu. So we've done quite a number of books like that.


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[Assistant] You know, I get a little something different from each of them. Because if you think about it, he says that you have to pay attention to the human heart.


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[Assistant] Well where are you gonna learn about the human heart? He didn't say much about it. As much as he said you need to know about it, he didn't say much about it. Where are you gonna find it? You're gonna find it by reading people that were actually in war and start to understand where their heart was in this whole gig.


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[Assistant] This is why they work. Well, it was interesting to do I Drang and how more because it was his battle


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[Assistant] See, the war, what the war was like, what the human heart was, was going on with the human heart, and then what was going on with the minds of the stratisticians.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I don't even know if that's a word. Sure. I think so. You know what's cool? Is the English language, you can, words


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[Assistant] They, they, they, they come about. They just get formed. There was a time where there was no word.


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[Assistant] It tells you where the word came from and then it has like first usages. So there's some words, this word was first in print in 1622 in this work of art, or this work of literature.


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[Assistant] The in- the language in general, but definitely the English language. I studied English in college.


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[Assistant] And, but the classes that I took, some of the classes that I took would focus on that. Which was always very interesting to me. Very interesting to me. And I think the reason it's interesting to me is because language is how we communicate.


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[Assistant] Communication is how we lead. So if you don't know what words you're using or you can't find


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[Assistant] The right word to articulate what it is you're trying to say. You're gonna have a harder time getting your message across. When you have a harder time getting your message across, it's harder for you to lead.


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[Assistant] That is definitely true, and it's not just about language there, it's about culture as well. Yeah. And, and, you know, one of the cool things that when I grew up, and I was kind of, you know, getting into the hard, and I was in the hardcore scene, right? It exposed me to


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[Assistant] Meaning got out of that small town and now I was in the military, I was able to understand better than I would have if I didn't. Yea. And I think that's important.


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[Assistant] It's a beautiful thing, it is. The language is always evolving and that's what allows the language just like jujitsu, just like mixed martial arts. You want it to evolve, you want it to, new words to come out that can


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[Assistant] But yea, at some point, a hundred years in the future, irregardless will become a word that has a little bit of a different meaning than regardless, like maybe it's more regardless, like irregardless of what you're saying.


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[Assistant] And it will say, first used in, you know, somebody's gonna write an article.


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[Assistant] In, online, or, and it's gonna, the guy's gonna misuse it, but everyone's gonna understand it, and it's gonna say first used here.


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[Assistant] There's all kinds of arguments you can have about language, but you have to remember that it's evolving all the time. Our language is evolving all the time, and it should. In France, they try not to let their language evolve. Yeaah. Yeaah, they try and keep that language...


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[Assistant] Not, not evolve your martial arts. Eventually, if you don't evolve your martial arts, you're gonna lose. That's what I think. And it's the same thing with language.


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[Assistant] And all. And I think there's another word, but in America and California, this is a recent one. So, maybe the 80s?


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[Assistant] You, if you have the shirt, you're kind of a member. At least in spirit.


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[Assistant] You can get the books. Yeah, the books that we cover on the podcast, which are all listed on the website. You can also get a couple books that


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[Assistant] If you want to spread the word, you pre-order it. That makes more people see it, so that's cool. It's called Way of the Warrior Kid Mark's Mission.


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[Assistant] So you can check that out. If you want to check out an actual warrior kid, you can go and get some Jocko soap from young Aiden. 12 years old, no big deal. You know what he's doing? Making soap. He has his own business.


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[Assistant] Making goat milk soap. You know why? You know why I did that? You can't sell goat milk in California. But you can sell goat soap.


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[Assistant] So he wanted to make some good ones so you can check that out as well. The discipline equals freedom field manual.


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[Assistant] About getting after it, there's really nothing more to say. If you, I've gotten a lot of great feedback from that book, so I appreciate it.


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[Assistant] Important part of that, everyone wants the audio version of that book. The Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual is not on Audible. It's on iTunes.


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[Assistant] Some people say with tracks. Extreme Ownership, the new edition is out. Thank you for helping us put the new to get new edition together because we've got questions from this podcast. A new forward, but we've also got pictures or questions from the podcast in there. Extreme Ownership, Combat Leadership.


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[Assistant] You can bring our company Echelon Front to your organization.


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[Assistant] We solve problems through leadership. Simple as that. You got a problem, the way you get the problem solved is through leadership.


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[Assistant] It's me, it's Leif Babin, it's JP Donnell, it's Dave Burke. Email info at echelonfront.com or you can go through the website echelonfront.com. There's also The Muster.


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[Assistant] Leadership Seminar with the Echelon Front Team.


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[Assistant] We're only doing two this year. I'm gonna try and get a bunch of questions that I get asked all the time. I'm gonna try and get rid of those questions right now. We're only doing two musters this year.


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[Assistant] We aren't going to New York City. We aren't going to Texas. We aren't going to Florida. We aren't going to your hometown. I'm sorry, we just can't. We can't go to every town in America to do a muster. We're only doing two of them this year. We're doing one.


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[Assistant] In Washington D.C. So there's an east coast and a west coast. One is in Washington D.C. It's May 17th and 18th.


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[Assistant] We're doing another one in San Francisco, October 17th and 18th.


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[Assistant] So if you want to come to a muster, you got to come to one of those too. We're not going to Omaha.


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[Assistant] We're not going to Milwaukee. I wanna go there, but unfortunately we can't just get to all those different places. So, apologize. Thus far, there has been four musters that we've done over the past year and a half. They all sold out.


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[Assistant] These two musters are going to sell out as well. So if you want to come and you want to learn pragmatic leadership skills and strategies, then you can go to extremeownership.com and you can register. We will see you there. Echo Charles will also be there.


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[Assistant] And until you get to the muster, if you have questions for us, or you have answers for us, we're looking for both. We're here, and we are cruising hard, actually, on the interwebs, on Twitter, Instagram, and on the face.


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[Assistant] Thanks to you and also to the police out there holding the thin blue line. Thanks for protecting us here on the home front to the firefighters, paramedics and other first responders. Thanks for being ready.


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[Assistant] To come out and rescue us any time, day or night, and to everyone else that is listening, thank you for listening, thank you for sharing, thank you for supporting the podcast. Cause we appreciate, we appreciate all that, but more important, we appreciate going down this path with all of you. So.


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[Assistant] Keep attacking, pushing, pursuing without cease.


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[Assistant] So until next time, this is Echo and Jaco.


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[Assistant] Be careful on the scooters. Oh yeaah, for sure. Especially in Honolulu. Oh yeaah. Go everywhere. Yeaah. Yup. Well yeaah. And that's it. Thank you both. Very very much. Oh, hey. Proud to be with you.


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[Assistant] Anyways, I'm gonna keep this brief. Try to. Origin.


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[Assistant] OriginMain.com. Main the state. So OriginMain.com. Good stuff. Gear all made in America from the cotton.


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[Assistant] The actual raw cotton to the material to make it all the way into what? Shirts, pants, geese. Is geese a flagship kind of thing you think? Flagship, yes.


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[Assistant] Super krill. That's Jocko's super krill. Krill oil. That's out. Yep. Origin main. And then you click on labs, right? It's like a labs tab.


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[Assistant] And then a bunch of people pre-ordered it, ordered it, so what? They should start seeing it in the mail.


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[Assistant] And Joint Warfare. That's a good one too. So if you got this blend, you got the tr- the bi- the double, you know, situation, that's ultimately the kit, right? The Joint Maintenance Excellence Kit.


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[Assistant] Who's, who called out who now? But I will admit now that I have like the whole set, pretty much, chimp, werewolf, gorilla, 72 pounds, bigfoot, 90 pounds.


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[Assistant] They're all out there, right? You know, right where I made that video. I feel the same way as you. When I walk by, you just, you kinda want to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, unless you're all super cold and stiff and then you want to grab the 90 pound one. That's not good for you. Go a little lighter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're stiff and cold. Anyway, point there being, I digress. Anyway.


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[Assistant] I get my kettlebells from on it. So, kettlebells are cool, of course. I'm not gonna go into a whole kettlebell thing.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not gonna, but if you want the cooler kettlebells, the kettlebells, the artistic ones, I like the on it ones.


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[Assistant] Werewolf one I think is my favorite one. It's dope. You can get the regular ones too. Anyway, also a bunch of other stuff, maces, battle ropes, like any kind of...


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[Assistant] Kind of the functional train is, what do you call it, functional stuff? Functional.


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[Assistant] Hardcore functional training. Yeah, there is some cool stuff on there. And all the info behind it too. Anyway, OnIt.com slash Jocko, that's a good way to support. Also, when you buy books, including but not limited to


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[Assistant] Or I'm not a hero, I'm no hero. Anyway, go to Jakupodcast.com.


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[Assistant] So nonetheless, go to jacopodcast.com, go to the book section, boom, click through there when you get your books. It's a good way to support. Brings you to Amazon and- Could you do other shopping? You sure could. Like it. As in, duct tape, ear, earphones.


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[Assistant] Very good way. Also, subscribe to the podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, and all other podcast providing platforms. Seems obvious, but hey, that's a good way. Also, on YouTube, put some excerpts on there. Put one out the other day.


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[Assistant] Uhm, very shareable, but nonetheless, nonetheless, uh, subscribe to the YouTube, eh, that's a good way to support. You get other stuff on top of the video version of this podcast, excerpts, and how should I say?


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[Assistant] Yes. Sometime. But yeaah. Some value there. Anyway. Yeaah. YouTube. Subscribe to YouTube. That's a good way. Also, Jocko has a store. It's called JockoStore. JockoStore.com. There are some good shirts on there. Literally. Literally. I'm sure this is good backwards anyway.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I'm not saying to buy something, just go on there, check out stuff. If you like the stuff on there, get something. This is stuff for women, shirts, patches, rash guards, hoodies.


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[Assistant] So, I'm going through the options, you know, how, there's one that's like too heavy. And it's like super expensive. You've never been to Michigan. They're like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I get it. Uhm, put it this way. I'm convinced, for whatever that's worth, I'm convinced this is the appropriate one.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Or Canada. Sure. The northern region. I got you. And I'm confident. England. Yeah, just give me the feedback. All good. We will. Also, psychological warfare. On your journey.


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[Assistant] Slash campaign against weakness. If you run into those days where you're not feeling like it and that's affecting you, where you're led to make or potentially make the decision to... Slack.


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[Assistant] Hit the snooze, skip the workout, cheat on the diet, procrastinate more or other forms of weakness. You listen to this.


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[Assistant] Album. With tracks. Jocko tracks. Telling you pragmatically.


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[Assistant] Results do not vary. 100% success rate on that one in my experience. Psychological Warfare on iTunes. Amazon Music anywhere where they sell mp3s. It's a good one. Very effective. Good way to support as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's a manual, that's why, right? It's not like this, um. No, it's not a story. It's not a story. No it's not a story.


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[Assistant] That's good how you have a, like a way, like almost like a, I don't want to say scaffolding, but like a way to look at it. Like how you, when you're presented with like an option, A, you're conscious of it. B, you have a way to look at it where you're like, okay, which one is important to me? Which one?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but even his is so simple. Which one's important to me? And it's almost like a black or white.


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[Assistant] You know, I- I do that sometimes too. I'm a trick myself, you know. It works. So yeaah.


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[Assistant] But that's good, that's like a, like kinda like, you're talking about how, if you go by how you feel everyday, like I feel like doing this, or I'm feeling one of it, or I'm feeling where, just like are you saying Rob, or you, you are in the habit of looking at it a certain way, like what's important to me. Kinda how you feel is kinda shuffled to the side, like what's important, okay now, I'm gonna get moving.


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[Assistant] But it can trick you though, you know how like, just like how you said in the beginning, you know, when you first decide to do something, you know, like New Year's resolution, whatever, you know, like it's a real common thing, we're at the beginning, exciting, let's start this new thing.


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[Assistant] It's like yeaah, so feeling can, I don't wanna say, yeaah, you're, you're right, don't rely on it, but it can trick you because in the beginning when you have that feeling like you want to, it's like, it's almost like you think it's gonna be there the whole time. This is the new thing for me. I've never felt anything like this about anything I've ever done. I'm excited about this, and then it goes away and then you're like, we're not doing this.


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[Assistant] So that's regulated by your brain. So when you get too much stress on your muscle, your brain says, hey, that's too much stress. We're going to stop the muscle contraction.


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[Assistant] But if you can get, if it doesn't fire, you'll go, uh, and you'll push, you'll push, sometimes you'll pause, you know, and you can still put like, why did you just fail the other time, you know what I mean? It's that, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then if you go to lower intensity stuff, then it goes more into the glyc, like, you ever seen, uhm, like a marathon runner? Or, you know, some real long, like, I don't know, an obstacle course or something, where the guy's like, mentally you can tell he's, he's not gonna quit. But his legs are like, shivering and shaking and he, it's like he's almost like,


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[Assistant] He's going to pass out or something like that. So that's more that. That's like your physical capability, the energy, the physical energy system is failing. That's, you know, so that's a different thing. So it's funny though.


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[Assistant] Yes, but well here, this is, this is when I really, I learned about it in college, but when I tore my bicep, you know, you know guys who lift real hard and just tear their muscle off their bone, because when you train heavy, you're training to, to, uh,


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[Assistant] To what he said, to mitigate the effects of the Golgi tendon or that's a, or like huge rushes of adrenaline will do it too. You know, you hear the story about the, the lady, she saw the car. Off the kid. Yeah. So basically you're just bypassing the Golgi tendon organ because of these extreme situations.


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[Assistant] When you test for that, you see it all the time where, you know, the guy, let's say, I don't know, he does 355, right? Like he, even there's like a pause because he's pushing so hard and he's barely any, and he gets it. Put on 360, 5 pounds more, he gets it like a quarter of the way up and it just falls on his chest, you know, because it fires and boom, muscle shut down. That's what that is.


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[Assistant] Echo, you got any questions for the man? Yea. Was there any time like during the 31 marathons that you were like, oh this is kinda lame?


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[Assistant] I'm kind of off this now. Did you ever think that? I mean, not even necessarily that you were like tired physically or nothing, just kind of like, you know, it's kind of- That's interesting because-


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[Assistant] At any point come into conflict with each other. Where you gotta choose to remain disciplined or... Serve others.


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[Assistant] So you better think about that. That's all I'm saying. Is there a situation where discipline and selflessness will come into conflict? I'm just saying, usually they support each other for sure, I think you're right, but is there a circumstance? Yes, there is.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that's a different thing, but yeaah, so you'd have to look at the bigger, is there a bigger discipline then, right? Because you gotta, you gotta consider your goals and stuff like that. You can't have the discipline to sleep in if that doesn't benefit your goal. It's not even discipline.


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[Assistant] Actually, one of the benefits of having you on is you're very supportive and encouraging, you know, and I like that. But, in the event of people, us wanting to support


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[Assistant] This podcast, in addition to each other, in addition to ourselves.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah. The path, that's a bigger picture, for sure, and we'll talk about that. But, one of the methods to stay on the path is krill oil. You can lift a lot of weight, you can have strong muscles. Kinda like uhm, like when you tear your skin apart, I guess.


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[Assistant] But if your joints are all jacked up, they don't want to move, you're not lifting nothing. So, and this goes for everyday life, so, super curl oil, jacquard supplements, finally, super curl oil, joint warfare, and discipline, which is a pre-mission, with a cognitive enhancer, force multiplier.


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[Assistant] Anyway, three supplements, right? Not counting the new one that's gonna come out soon. So, krill oil for your joints, joint warfare for your joints, and discipline, pre-mission, you take it, cognitive enhancers, little bit of caffeine in there. 15 milligrams. 15 milligrams. Unless...


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[Assistant] It's funny. Physically and mentally. When you, or when someone says, Hoi, I'm drinking the discipline. You ever watch Spaceballs? Remember that show? Yes.


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[Assistant] You meant to do that. Nonetheless, you get this at originmain.com. On the top, it says labs. Actually, a guy emailed me. He was like, hey, I can't find the...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not like a, it's not like a hardcore, like, that's the thing, and that's what Pete, kinda what, what he was kinda telling me, where, it's not like the, it's not like, like boot camp or something, which, it would be cool too, it's not like a training camp for like an event.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Like, you know when guys can't train for SEC? Yeah, yeah, we're training. We're training hard. But it's more like you're in there to immerse yourself in jujitsu. You wanna train hard, you train hard. You wanna learn hard, you learn hard. Whatever.


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[Assistant] Yes, it wasn't just that one thing, like how you said that one thing. I just gotta stay away from his, or putting my neck in there. I just gotta stay away from that. That's all. So, it kinda depends, or deviates from that whole idea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, those are good fun, man. Anyway, yeah. OriginMain.com. Check it out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's still working, probably. We're in the idea phase on that one, still. But yeah, this is good. But nonetheless, you want the whole set? Go to onit.com slash jocco. Really good kettlebells in there. Other exercise stuff on there too. You wanna switch up your workout. I ran into that the other day. Like, dang, this workout is getting boring. So I just BTFed through it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but, and it goes along with exactly what you're saying, how like your, your brain has to, it's called neuromuscular connection. Where if you're used to use, doing a certain motion, you can do it way more efficiently, put more weight on there, we're pretty efficient, you know, and that's what, what gain, where gains come from, or, or a big part of where gains come from.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, you just- you just l- change the movement. Just a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's pretty, there's a lot of cool ways you can kind of manipulate that from workout to workout. But yeah, hold on. So yeah, if you want to vary up your workout with all kinds of different movements on it, they have some cool stuff. Battle maces, or no, battle ropes, maces, some other stuff. Anyway, onit.com slash jockel. Good spot.


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[Assistant] Click, just click through there. It takes you to Amazon, Amazon Prime, if you have it. And, uh, you know, get your book. Good way to support. If you're doing other shopping, continue. Do your shopping.