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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, this book was, I don't know if it's the translation or whatever, but there's definitely some long complicated sentences that were


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[Assistant] A little bit tricky. For, for me. Sure. Had to read a few times.


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[Assistant] Which is that if you find the enemy too strong to attack him, you help him with the means of dividing his forces. So basically if you can get people to split up, if you can get your enemy to split up, that's a good tactic as well.


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[Assistant] There's another type of roost which is admirable. It is that of double spies. It is necessary to know them and then tell them with an air of good faith everything that you want the enemy to know. So, there you go.


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[Assistant] It is essential to know what is happening among, amongst the enemy. I am of the opinion that the best thing against the Austrians will be to bribe some captain or major for their hussars by means of whom intelligence can be carried on with them. And there's a reason why I'm talking about this. So he's talking about spies and this is kind of old school, but I, I brought that part up so I could do this part right here.


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[Assistant] If greed for silver does not work, it is necessary to employ fear.


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[Assistant] Seize some mayor of a village where you camp and force him to take a disguised man who speaks the language of the country and under some pretext to conduct him as his servant in the enemy army.


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[Assistant] Threaten him that if he does not bring your man back, you will cut the throat of his wife and children whom you hold under guard while waiting, and that you will have his house burned.


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[Assistant] I was obliged to employ this sad expedient in Bohemia, and it succeeded for me.


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[Assistant] In general, it is necessary to pay spies well and not to be miserly in that respect. A man who risks being hung in your service merits being well paid.


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[Assistant] We know he, we know he liked music and literature, but guess what? He was no stranger to just having your family's throats cut and burning the house down. Yeah, ruthless.


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[Assistant] You know, that's what's, what's scary about that is that's goes on today. That's what a lot of the G hottest would do. They would, they would kidnap where they would, they would take someone and say, look, you either run the suicide bomb into this building or we're going to kill your family. All of them and burn your house down. And, and you know, the people make that horrible choice.


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[Assistant] No, it's two different things. So, if you can get someone that does, will do what you want them to do for money, that's great. Yeah. If you can't get anyone to do that, then you gotta go. Yeah, yeah. You gotta go throw cuttin'.


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[Assistant] People get involved in situations like that that they shouldn't have gotten involved in. And it all seems okay. Yeaah. It all seems okay in the beginning. Yeaah. One side or the other. Cause either side, whether you're a criminal or you're, whether you go to help a criminal out or you go to help the cops out. Like you think it's gonna be, hey, it's just gonna go good. It's not. Yeaah. You're gonna end up in a bad situation. You're in a bad way.


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[Assistant] Never watched, uh, a spy movie and thought, like, I don't know, I don't like the, I don't like that whole, uh,


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[Assistant] Paranoia like undercover cops too. I'm sure we'll get somebody that's on deep undercover You never had like I don't I want to I don't like that. Yeah, I don't dig it. I don't like to


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[Assistant] I don't want to fabricate everything like that all the time. That's just hor- I mean props to him. Like undercover cops, that's a crazy job. Can't even imagine it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's uh, I never had the desire to do that. Some people really like that stuff. I never had the desire to do that.


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[Assistant] In neutral countries it is necessary to make friends. If you can win over the whole country, so much the better.


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[Assistant] Let no one imagine that it is su- that it is sufficient just to move an army about to make the enemy regulate himself on your movements.


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[Assistant] So you, you can't just think to yourself, hey, my moves are enough.


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[Assistant] And I'm doing, and it's gonna have the impact that I want it to have.


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[Assistant] A general who is, who has too presumptuous confidence in his skills runs the risk of being grossly duped.


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[Assistant] That's what this is. Don't let your ego get outta control. War is not an affair of chance.


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[Assistant] A great deal of knowledge, study, and meditation is necessary to conduct it well, and when blows are planned, whoever contrives them with the greatest appreciation of their consequences will have a great advantage.


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[Assistant] However, to give a few rules on such a delicate matter, I would say that in general, the first of two army commanders who adopts an offensive attitude almost always reduces his rival to the defensive and makes him regulate himself on his movements.


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[Assistant] What does that mean? It means default aggressive. It means go. That's what it means.


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[Assistant] Unskillful generals race to the first trap set before them. I just had a guy on Twitter say


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm a white belt, but tonight I swept a blue belt. It wasn't really that good though, cause he armlocked me quickly thereafter. And I was like, you didn't sweep him, you got set up. Welcome to Jiu Jitsu. So same thing, don't race for the first trap that's set before you. This is why a great advantage is drawn from knowledge of your adversary. And when you know his intelligence and character, you can use it to play on his weaknesses. Everything which the enemy least expects,


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[Assistant] That's why when you get, like, when you think about when you get caught in jujitsu,


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[Assistant] I would say most of the time it's getting caught with something that you didn't expect. Right? Some people


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[Assistant] Dean can do things and like, he's gonna get it and you know it's coming, like you hear Hicks in stories, Hicks will be like, I'm gonna armlock everyone's left arm, and they'd line up 20 black belts and need to armlock everyone's left arm.


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[Assistant] But most of the time, it's something that you least expect.


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[Assistant] And he might not literally say that, but you know it's coming. I mean, I do this to you, right? Where you're like, oh, he's about to come here with me. Like, you know it's coming.


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[Assistant] Dean does that, Dean does that where he'll like let someone try and armlock him or let him try and triangle and like they're 100% not gonna armlock him. Yeah. But even me, I'll be like, maybe I can get it this one time. Yeah.


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[Assistant] The art of war is divided between force and stratagem.


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[Assistant] What cannot be done by force must be done by stratagem. And I actually was kind of...


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[Assistant] Unclear about the usage of the word stratagem and there's


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[Assistant] Meanings of it. To clarify the meaning a little bit more specifically. It means like,


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[Assistant] Deception. Like trickery. It just doesn't mean strategy. It means like, this is a trick scenario.


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[Assistant] Well yea, I would definitely say that. It's the same damn word. So I'd say you veiled that one. Uh, hold on lemme redo that. That's a good point. Yea, yea, for sure. Oh man, I didn't see that. Thank you, Jocko. You know.


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[Assistant] That's why I didn't try and fake it. You know, I kept it real.


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[Assistant] Check. Uh, have your disposition supported well. Do not forget your reserves. Take advantage of the terrain, and then attack him brusquely.


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[Assistant] And you should be able to hope for the most brilliant success. If the heights are on your side, this will be of great advantage to you. If they are not, you have almost no hope of succeeding. Take the high ground.


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[Assistant] Now he's talking about attacking the enemy's entrenchment, so the enemy's in a defended position. If you have resolved to attack an entrenched enemy, do it at once and do not allow him to time to perfect his works.


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[Assistant] So if you know you're gonna have to defend, attack a defended position, do it as quick as you can. Don't let them get their defenses all set up.


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[Assistant] Especially I would say it's kind of the same thing, but if you pass my guard, I don't wait until you settle me across the side before I start escaping. As soon as I know I'm gonna lose that position, I'm already escaping.


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[Assistant] And, same thing, if I pass your guard and then I let you get in your defensive position, well it's gonna be hard to yank your arm out of there, but there's a moment where your arm's hanging out, and if I go for it right then, my probability for success is a lot higher.


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[Assistant] You got all mad one time, like a couple months ago. Cause I did that to you, I like passion, go wham! Unlock. And you were, it was a straight, it was something that bothered you about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so point being, once you get a little advantage on the enemy,


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[Assistant] Take advantage, take further advantage of it. Don't let them reset and resettle. Go. Get a little advantage on your competitor. Go. Tear them apart. Attack harder.


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[Assistant] It is the general's coup d'etat that must decide this. If you attack a bull by the horns, your task will be difficult and perhaps will not succeed at all. Attack of weak positions. Makes sense.


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[Assistant] And now he starts talking about, so he talked about attacking an entrenchment or a defensive position. Now he's talking about setting up a defensive position. And he says, as I have already said, and I repeat it.


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[Assistant] That I would never put myself in an entrenchment at least unless a terrible misfortune such as the loss of a battle or a triple superiority on the part of the enemy forced me to do it.


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[Assistant] So he's not gonna dig in and try and defend. He's gonna be on offense all the time. You know, this is really essentially what the guard is.


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[Assistant] And if you end up in the guard, well that's because you ended up there by some gross misfortune of your own doing, most likely, or your other person. Now, are there some people out there that absolutely have a guard that's so crazy and offensive that it's kind of morphed that a little bit?


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[Assistant] That are so good at defending positions that they make it, well, look at the Russians. That their, their whole strategy is basically pulling guard. Like, yeaah, okay, uhm, you come this way a little bit, cause what's, where do you spend more gas? Defending guard or passing guard?


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[Assistant] Me too, for sure. Trying to pass guard is way more energy.


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[Assistant] And when you're just, when you're just holding and you adjust your hips and you adjust your hips, well that's what the Russians do. So their guard is just really, really good. They tax you a little bit and move back. They tax you a little bit and move back. They tax you a little bit and move back.


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[Assistant] If you are inferior in numbers, do not despair of winning.


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[Assistant] But do not expect any other success than gained by your skill. So you can win when you're outnumbered, but you better have some serious skill.


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[Assistant] There are some generals who maintain that an army in position should be attacked in the center. As for me, I am of the opinion that it should be attacked at the weakest point.


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[Assistant] They say that in breaking the center, you separate the entire army and place yourself in a situation to gain the most brilliant advantages. As for me, I repeat it, I approve of all methods of attacking, provided they are directed at the point where the enemy's army is the weakest and where the terrain favors them the least.


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[Assistant] I would choose only unassailable positions or else I would not occupy them at all.


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[Assistant] For we have too many advantages in attacking to deprive ourselves of them gratuitously. Let me tell you what I took away from that. This is something that I do all the time. And it's like no big deal. It's no big deal. But when you think about it, it's important.


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[Assistant] I choose, I would only choose unassailable positions or else I would not occupy them at all. What does that mean to me? What that means is, if I don't know something 100%,


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[Assistant] I don't try and defend it with 100% strength. I see this all the time with businesses, with human beings, with people.


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[Assistant] It doesn't, you're not a bad person if you go, you know what, I'm not 100% sure on that. Here's my opinion, but it's just an opinion.


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[Assistant] And you're in a position that is assailable, meaning you can get your, your butt kicked. Well then guess what? You will. Someone's gonna come and do it.


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[Assistant] So, just keep an open mind. Don't, don't hunker down on positions that you're not even sure about.


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[Assistant] And don't start there. The key part of this is don't start with, I'm right and you're wrong. Start with, you know what, I'm not too informed about this subject. Can you fill me in? And by the way, the more you talk, as we learned,


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[Assistant] The more you talk, the more I know about your position and my position. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Defended an unassailable position. Yeah, that's how I actually win and you have this thing where you're that's that's that's important important


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[Assistant] Uh, back to the book. I have not spoken yet of the reserve. It should be commanded by a skillful general and it should be placed in a locality where he can see everything. So, the reason I brought this up is to again counteract something that he said in the beginning of the book, which is right here.


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[Assistant] He should act on his own initiative.


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[Assistant] And if he sees that one of the wings are in need of help, he should conduct a reserve there without being called. So again, as much as he says, hey everyone listen to me, obey, that's his macho statement, the reality is he wants his, he wants his reserve leader to like step up and make things happen without being told.


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[Assistant] I like this, what is practiced in armies is done on a small scale with detachments.


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[Assistant] So, you got your big army, they do the same thing that the little elements out there in the field do. What's my primary example of this? Cover and move.


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[Assistant] He just means small little L, like you break off a little chunk. A company, a platoon, a battalion. Gotcha. They're out there doing the same thing that the army's doing. That the big regiment, division's doing.


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[Assistant] Here's a good one. A battle is lost less through the loss of men than by discouragement. Remember that one.


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[Assistant] The- another one. The man who does things without motive or in spite of himself is either insane or a fool.


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[Assistant] But it should be opportunity and with all the advantages on your side.


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[Assistant] Here's, here's a good little section. Reflections on the hazards and misfortunes of war.


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[Assistant] When a general conducts himself with all prudence, he can still suffer ill fortune.


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[Assistant] For how many things do not cooperate at all with his labors. So yea, things are gonna go bad.


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[Assistant] Weather. Harvest. The officers. The health or sickness of his troops. Blunders. The death of an officer on whom he counts. Discouragement of the troops. Exposure of your spies. Negligence of the officers who should rec-reconorder the enemy. And finally, betrayal.


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[Assistant] These are the things that should be kept continually before your eyes so as to be prepared for them and so that good fortune will not blind us.


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[Assistant] You cannot be blinded by good fortune. You're gonna get lucky sometimes.


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[Assistant] If an important detachment is entrusted to a man of judgment, and if this man should become sick or should be killed, there is all your business hung up.


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[Assistant] For no one should imagine that sound heads are common in armies. Yeah, guess what? It's really hard to find good leaders.


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[Assistant] Offensive generals are rare among us. I only know a few and nevertheless, it is only to these that this sort of detachment can be entrusted. Talking about aggressive.


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[Assistant] When he says offensive general, he means aggressive generals. People are gonna make things happen.


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[Assistant] So good. You know, if you're like a young person, or an old person, or you're a person listening to this. Sure. If you can make things happen.


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[Assistant] If you sit back and you wait for things to happen, it's not good and you won't go far in life. Nothing is gonna just happen because you...


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[Assistant] You know what, there's actually not even any competition.


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[Assistant] Like there's no competition for it. Like if you're, you're, you're such high, if you're a person that can make things happen, you are in such high demand, you're gonna, you're gonna be set.


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[Assistant] And if you're one of them, you're gonna do great. Yeah, that's true, huh? And you- Hey, am I saying you gotta step on toes and you gotta be all aggro and macho and run around? No, I'm not saying that. You make things happen, you do it tactfully and you're smart, you- the sky's the limit.


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[Assistant] I work with businesses all the time. Every single business I work with is looking for good people that are going to make things happen.


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[Assistant] That's just all of them, 100%. I never went to a business, they're like, oh yeaah, luckily everyone here were maxed out with people that, good, good people that make things happen. Yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. That's too many of them. No.


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[Assistant] Versus the guy who sorta just works hard. Hey, the guy that works hard is cool too. But there's a difference, you're right. There's a difference between someone that just makes things happen.


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[Assistant] And they'll work, they'll do whatever, they'll make things happen, they'll work hard, they'll grind hard, they'll maneuver, they'll go back, they'll re- they'll re- they'll revisit the whole plan. Yeah. To get the result. Make it happen. Yeah, they're gonna make it happen.


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[Assistant] In considering fortuitous events and the chapter of accidents, one can see that a general should be skillful and lucky. And that no one should believe so fully in his star that he abandons himself to it blindly.


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[Assistant] If you are lucky, and trust in luck alone, even if your success reduces you to the defensive, if you are unlucky, you are already there.


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[Assistant] So if you're counting on luck, you're already on the defensive. And if you're unlucky, you're already on the defensive. And you know what I say to that, is make your luck. That's what I say. Get out there and make your luck.


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[Assistant] You will have seen, by what I have occasioned to delineate concerning war, that promptness, and by promptness he's talking about speed,


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[Assistant] Promptness contributes a great deal to success in marches and even more in battles. That is why our army is drilled in such fashion that it acts faster than others.


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[Assistant] Yes sir. Yeah, violence of action. Like, go hard now.


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[Assistant] From drill, these maneuvers, which enable us to form in the twinkling of an eye,


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[Assistant] And from this, that speed in all cavalry moments. So again, when I got to the SEAL teams, they didn't say, hey, you need to learn to be able to move in the twinkling of an eye. Yeaah. I wouldn't have been, would have been down with that. No, no, no. Violence of action. Yes, sir. That's what's important.


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[Assistant] As for, and he, that was talking about cavalry, now he talks about on foot.


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[Assistant] As for the rapid step of the infantry and the attack, it is not-


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[Assistant] It is not the greater or lesser number of dead that decides an action, but the ground you gain. It is not the fire.


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[Assistant] But the BEARING which defeats the enemy. It's not like the shooting that does it, it's how aggressive you are.


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[Assistant] And so now there's a caveat to that, which is like, fire superiority is a real thing. And if you've been on the wrong side of fire superiority, you're not winning anything. But if you get aggressive, then that is


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[Assistant] One of the most powerful things on the battlefield. And that's exactly how you overcome when, when you're, when someone else has superior firepower on you, or fire superiority on you, the way you overcome it is by aggressive action. By sending out someone to a flank and, and,


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[Assistant] Do something aggressive. Move. That's what you have to do. That's what you do to get out of there. And they taught us, that's another thing they taught us. You get ambushed, you get someone's got fired, spirited. What do you do? You attack.


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[Assistant] The general should make sure that new uniforms for the army arrive in time towards spring.


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[Assistant] In a word, he should enter into all these details and himself visit the corridors to see what is going on there, if the officers are drilling the recruits, if they are working, and to animate them with kind words.


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[Assistant] And reprimands to make them do their duty. So he's a guy that gets in there. The guy that makes things happen.


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[Assistant] There you go. And obviously, once again, uhm, I think we see that leadership.


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[Assistant] Is leadership, is leadership and in different times and different places and different battles and different circumstances, the fundamental principles do not change.


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[Assistant] They do not change and we do see them with different angles and you see different nuances and


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[Assistant] That provides us the ability to understand them with greater depth.


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[Assistant] We can take better care of our teams and if we take care of our teams, our teams will take care of us and that.


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[Assistant] And we also do it on a podcast so that other people can learn with us, which is seems fair. And if anyone wants to help support the podcast, there's actually a bunch of different ways that you can do it, which will


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[Assistant] Talk about, and it's not just like, hey, just support the podcast. That's not- That's not the deal. No.


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[Assistant] You know, send money. Or, hey, we're gonna put the podcast.


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[Assistant] That's not what we're saying. No. Cause we're getting a lot of, we're already getting a lot out of the podcast.


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[Assistant] But if you want to get deeper into the game, that's cool. You can do that too. You can do that one way. Is our company Origin USA. You can do it.


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[Assistant] Farmington, Maine. What is it? American made products. 100% American made.


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[Assistant] Without compromise. Get some. We got geese and rash guards, which are the best in the world. Straight up. No, no doubt. No doubt.


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[Assistant] Factually, the, the geese are made of a blend. They're not a ghee from 1956, which is what all other geese are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not interested in it. So if you were interested, you can get them if not.


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[Assistant] Also there's supplements there. Yeah. A bunch of different kinds. Sure.


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[Assistant] I'm not gonna try to drag this out, but you had the exact same surgery on the other arm. The healing process was much, much slower. The only...


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[Assistant] I guess difference between the two scenarios. There's actually two differences. I said the only, but there's two differences. One,


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[Assistant] You were much younger in your first surgery, which would indicate that probably you would heal quicker.


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[Assistant] But that did not happen. And that has not happened. In fact, the opposite has happened.


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[Assistant] You have healed much, MUCH faster. It's not even close. Much faster.


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[Assistant] And the only other thing is that joint warfare. Cruelloil.


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[Assistant] Well, that's good. Joint warfare. Awesome. Krill oil. I've been on that forever and I highly recommend it because it helps you with everything. And now you're saying it helps me with my vision too.


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[Assistant] So I was, Dave and I were up working with the company, actually it was me, Dave, and Leif, were up working with the company, and...


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[Assistant] You know, whenever we work, whenever we get together, it's always like we're going hard and you know, there's not a lot of sleep going on or whatever and workouts and all that.


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[Assistant] Like videos or memes where they got one word that means a lot of different things.


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[Assistant] How's it going? Like, dude. Or it could mean, why did you do that? Like, dude.


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[Assistant] And the other day I was with Dave and we were at this gig and you know, like I said, we're working and he sees me with uh, cause you know Dave's kind of addicted to discipline. Yes. And he sees me with uh, I took a water bottle or whatever, you know, normal plastic water bottle and I poured discipline in it cause I always travel with it.


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[Assistant] Yes, because we were, well, we did some physical stuff in the morning, but we didn't take discipline for that. Uh, it wasn't that hardcore. Wasn't like we were rolling, but yeah, he wanted the cognitive enhancement for putting together.


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[Assistant] All the different applications of extreme ownership up in the company, so yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know what? This is the thing that I gotta figure out. Cause I've got, you know, I've got my own little methodologies of how I operate. Just across the board. There's just operations happening, right? That's just how I roll. For instance, the discipline, when I go in the field or


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[Assistant] When I go on a trip, I have a little, little Tupperware thing that's small and I put it up above a little elastic band on it I carry in my travel bag, whatever. It's all good. I haven't figured out how to do this with Mulk yet, which is a problem because here's the thing with Mulk.


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[Assistant] Mulk tastes freaking good. And if you don't know what mulk is, it's got protein in it. That's awesome. It's got... What are they? What are they called?


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[Assistant] No, not that I can remember. Maybe. So I get that way. Where I want, maybe it's all those years where I should just get after the mint chocolate chip ice cream at the end of the night. And so sometimes that little, that little, I have a little flashback.


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[Assistant] He's like, what do you mean you made it up? I said I made it up. How did you mo- what was the making up process for moque? Uh, have you ever tasted it? Yes, sir. And what did you think when you first tasted it? It just tastes like a dessert. To me, I was like, aw man, this is good moque. And it just came out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's no other way to describe it. It wasn't milk, it wasn't ice cream, it was something else or something new. So there you go, mulk.


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[Assistant] No, I know that now, now that I realize how it settles your stomach, but you know what else, speaking of Dave Burke, Dave...


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[Assistant] You know how, like, I'm really into mint chocolate and milk chocolate? Yes sir, I do. His flavor happens to be peanut butter.


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[Assistant] I filled it up. Well you just said 30 ounces, you're talking 30 ounces.


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[Assistant] Alright, so that's Malk. You want to go get some? OriginMain.com. Yes.


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[Assistant] OriginMain.com is where you order it. And you can also get it on Amazon.


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[Assistant] FYI, if you didn't know that. Hey, speaking of originmain.com, if you want to come to the Jiu-Jitsu Immersion Camp, it is August 26th through September 2nd. There's two


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[Assistant] What phases? Two sessions? Or we can go to the whole thing. Somebody asked if we're gonna go to the Origin Factory. If you want to come see the factory, yes, we're going to. The factory visit is in the middle of the week. And we'll be doing Jujitsu all the time. So, get some. And, we'll see you there. I'm going. Echo's going. Echo's gonna be incapacitated.


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[Assistant] Quasi-capacitating. Oh, so you'd just be in a knowledge acquiring mode.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And a knowledge sharing mode. Here's the thing, technically I-I-I could roll. I could roll. But- Okay, then we roll with that. Next question.


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[Assistant] Directly. So you'll be a limited basis, but you'll be there to share knowledge, receive knowledge, hang out, kick it, eat lobster.


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[Assistant] Yes. Oh dang. Now with everyone. Echo's gonna be there, I'm gonna be there. Dave Burke is gonna be there. Leif is gonna be there. JP I believe is marginal right now, or not 100%. But whatever. We'll be there, we'll be hanging out. And like...


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[Assistant] Black belts galore. I forgot that part. Black belts galore. There'll be a bunch of black belts and then every other belt.


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[Assistant] Yeah, some people never- No, some people have never trained before and they're gonna come to the camp. That happened last year. People have never trained before and came to the camp, but I'm sorry I cut you off and you were gonna say that some people never rolled to the black belt before.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like you can get rash guards. Sure. And you used to always go on a big tangent about how it's for all activities. Sure, it is. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I do when the water's warm right now, by the way, out here in California, the water's warm. You do not need a wetsuit at this time to surf.


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[Assistant] And so yeaah, the Origin Rash Guards, very effective for surfing. The JockoWatt Rash Guards, also very effective for surfing.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, and also, on Amazon there's fake Jocko t-shirts. Yea. I'm cool, I'm happy that you're in, like, trying to get in the game, and that's cool. It's a cool way to, like,


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[Assistant] Feel cool about stuff. Yeah. And you can do that. But you are not supporting. No. That support does not go to con- That support goes to someone that- A pirate. A pirate. Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] So watch out for those. If you get your t-shirts, get them from JockoStore.com. Also you can get trucker hats. Yes sir. Which you seem to be really surprised that trucker hats look cool. On me. You told me you were like, I didn't really picture the situation going on.


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[Assistant] That's what everyone's all pumped for. I'm old school. Yeaah. Yeaah. And then beanies too. Yes sir. Which, which beanies for me, this is uh, so I sleep when I'm on planes. Sure. When I'm on a plane I sleep. I put a beanie on my head.


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[Assistant] That's amazing. I was impressed by your sleeping capabilities. You had sunglasses on, you were asleep for four straight hours in a...


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[Assistant] You look like those, what are those, uh, the Chinese statues, uhm, in the big vault where they have like thousands of Chinese soldiers all lined up.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Anyways, that's what I look like. You did not move. You were out and you did not move. Your head stayed straight up and you just sat there asleep.


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[Assistant] Can we designate it as the Hawaiian version? Wait, why would someone want a hoodie that's not gonna keep warm?


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[Assistant] Okay, while we're doing this, can we make ultra, I want the heaviest possible weight that they make in America.


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[Assistant] Okay, we'll see. We'll check your fashion sense. Which I have none, so we go with it. Also, subscribe to the podcast. iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher.


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[Assistant] We're just on Spotify, just full on. Whatever. It's all good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, the YouTube, the thing about YouTube is,


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[Assistant] And if you want to watch him, you gotta go there. And he seems to be putting up more and more excerpts of little videos, little clips of the podcast so you can


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[Assistant] Sheram. Sherable. Yeah. Wasn't there some like lunch thing called a Sherable?


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[Assistant] Bro, one of our bros that's kind of, uh, you know, we're not super tight, but we're, we're, we're, he came up to me and he was like, hey man.


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[Assistant] He went through a little rough patch with a, with a female. Yes. And he went through the whole breakup scenario. Yeah. And he was like, I watched that video a hundred times.


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[Assistant] You happen to put that out there, and he happened to, somebody, somebody, one of our other friends sent it to him, like, hey, check this out, and he was like, oh, okay, got it, now he's moving on, as it should be.


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[Assistant] You just made it sound like it's all laziness. Not necessarily laziness, bro. Like there's, sometimes there's some nuggets that just need to be put out there to the world.


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[Assistant] And it's not just because you didn't want, some people don't have time to listen to it. Yeah, that's what I mean. So it's just, just, you know.


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[Assistant] Basically I swung him around like a maniac, psycho, barbarian, with a battle axe.


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[Assistant] Almost as like a little mobility slash cardio slash something break. It's, it's a good tool to have. It's a good tool to have. I got the little, you think the 20 pounder, the 20 pounder looks light? When I give it to you, you're gonna be like, oh I'm gonna, no, it's, it's heavy.


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[Assistant] How long is it? It's not even as long as your show. It's probably, might not even be 2 feet long. Yea. And it's 20 pounds.


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[Assistant] You know, for the seven people out there that want loose leaf, passionately, I feel you. And I just had a woman the other day that was like, hey, I really want loose leaf tea. And I was like, oh, that's awesome.


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[Assistant] They have the time to deal with that. So right now, no loose leaf. You gotta go with the tea bag.


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[Assistant] It tastes really good. Yes. It makes you feel really good.


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[Assistant] The, the dark white tea, it's better. It's, it's, it's like, if you had the choice of one of the two, like let's, okay, let's be real. I'm gonna be real here with you right now for a second. Sure. If I had the choice between, like, a salad,


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[Assistant] To you right now. I'd be like, if you put those two in front of me...


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[Assistant] Nine times out of ten, I'm gonna get the mint chocolate chip milkshake. Occasionally I'll be like, okay, I'll have the salad cause I'm really in the mood for that. But nine times out of ten, like, I'm just gonna go with what you know, which is that mint chocolate chip milkshake.


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[Assistant] What I was just gonna say is, in order to not overuse that word,


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[Assistant] Have you ever, okay, remember when you were a kid and you were doing something, you're all hot, sweaty, tired, like it's hot outside and you're thirsty.


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[Assistant] And so you're, you get a Gatorade. And you drink the Gatorade, and when you get done with the Gatorade, you're still thirsty. Cause it's got whatever it has in it that doesn't taste like water. It's like too far away from water.


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[Assistant] When you, when you drink the tea, it's like an actual, it actually satisfies the actual thirst.


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[Assistant] That I've written and you can get those on where books are sold.


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[Assistant] I get a lot of warrior kid podcast questions about bossy kids.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and so that's another thing worth mentioning is there's the warrior kid books Two of them way the warrior kid and marks mission and there's also a warrior kid Podcast called warrior kid podcast


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[Assistant] So you can check that one out. There's also the Discipline Equals Freedom Field Manual, which tells you how to get after it. Very clearly. And if you want to


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[Assistant] Get it on audio. The only way you can get it on audio is as an mp3 album or you can buy individual tracks if you want them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's clips, there's sections from this podcast in the new Extreme Ownership. Yeah. That's the, when they come out, when they re-release a book.


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[Assistant] What's cool to me, yea, you know, you just threw out life changing. You just threw it out there like no big deal.


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[Assistant] Leif and I just wrote another book. I kind of referenced it a couple times today. It's called The Dichotomy of Leadership.


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[Assistant] And Leif and I literally, I keep saying we just get done writing it. Have you heard me say that on this podcast before? Yes. Well I have. You know why? Because every time you edit, you gotta edit again. So every time you think you're done, you're not done. And so we just turned in another series of edits. And the edits are, it's not like we're going through these massive changes, but you just,


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[Assistant] You just, somebody changes something in a sentence and then it throws off this other thing and so it's just a pain. Uhm, the way, that's, that's what we're doing.


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[Assistant] Yes, and then there's the other one, that's the opposite. Yes, editing is done when you can't, you can't, every word matters. Yeah, yeah. And you know, Leif and I, Leif, Leif basically, like I do like a thousand words a day, and I edit the same way. Well I edit, I, you can edit faster, so I'll edit like one chapter at a time.


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[Assistant] So, we're, it takes a while. So, we just finished another series of edits.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it is. I think it's really gonna help people out and again, you can pre-order that thing right now so that the publisher prints enough so that people can actually have them. Cause the publishers don't ever...


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[Assistant] Yes, the dichotomy of leadership. I actually wrote, in the book, dichotomy of leadership. One of the pr-


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[Assistant] But do you need to be extreme in your attitude of being aggressive? No, because if you get too aggressive, you're gonna cause other problems.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. No, that's, that's what Leif texted me the other day, I'm like yeaah, cause obviously we've been reading it a bunch, and I think it's gonna really help people out.


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[Assistant] And you know, actually on top of the dichotomy of leadership, speaking of leadership, if you need leadership training on site for you or your team, you can check out Echelon Front. That's...


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[Assistant] Got some other people coming on board right now, which is awesome. Awesome guys. And what we do is we solve problems through leadership. That's what we do at EchelonFront. EchelonFront.com. Come and get some.


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[Assistant] One before that one, sold out. DC was pretty awesome. Yeaah. I mean. And it was a beast one. DC was awesome.


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[Assistant] It was just awesome being in DC, and the muster was a good time, and people learned a ton, so.


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[Assistant] Oh, the next one's gonna sell out. Yeah. Yeah, they're definitely gonna sell out. It's, uh, San Francisco, Mustard 006, October 17th and 18th. It's absolutely gonna sell out. So if you wanna come, register. The other thing that happens is you book hotel rooms, you know, cause those things get bought up too. So,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's a leadership seminar. We talk about leadership and it's not just talking about leadership. We actually give you the pragmatic tools that you need to take home and become a better leader in your business, in your life.


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[Assistant] That's why they're all selling out, and that's why people are coming back, so.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. There's no green room. There's no behind the stage. Actually the last one there was literally no backstage. Like there was no place you, we were just out front. We were out front the whole time. The whole team.


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[Assistant] We, we literally don't eat. You don't eat. Cause you, I mean, we don't. You can eat as a, as a attendee, you can eat. But like, me, the boys, we don't have time to eat. We're working. And so, yeah. Also, uh, for current military law enforcement, border patrol, firefighters, paramedics, first responders. We got the roll call September 21st in Dallas, Texas. It's, uh,


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[Assistant] Like a really focused one day leadership training seminar aimed at people that put on a uniform and deal with dynamic situations and that's also available to register.


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[Assistant] And in person, either at the muster in San Francisco, or the roll call in Texas, or the immersion camp up in Maine. If you want to, if you want to hang out with us virtually, we are hanging out, actually.


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[Assistant] On the interwebs, Echo is at Echo Charles, and I am at Jocko Willink, and to all the servicemen and women out there in the world, thank you for protecting our nation, and to the police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, border patrol,


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[Assistant] Thanks for keeping us safe here at home and to the families of all those that serve. Thank you for supporting those heroes that support us.


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[Assistant] And to everyone else that is listening, remember, as we learned today,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and even, yeah MMA, even if like you're, I don't know, if you're new to boxing or something, you know, and you, it's like you haven't accepted the fact that you're going to get hit yet, you know, so every time like someone even flit, you know,


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[Assistant] If they throw a feint, you're reacting to everything, right? So if you're constantly under the kind of the stress, yeah, the stress of like bullets and all this stuff, it's like you're, what do you call it? Your self preservation. Yeah. Uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, like are you saying that it gives you- Yeah, like you- Something happens, right? Girl breaks up with you. I don't know.


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[Assistant] And you take the day off from work. We get to sit down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, gonna jam you up way more. You go to work and, you know, your mind's occupied with all these tasks and, you know,


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[Assistant] Isn't there the- I mean, I wonder why this- I'm sure you could kind of figure it out, but you know how-


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[Assistant] Something like bad or traumatic or whatever will happen and then the person essentially ignores it or whatever and focuses on work, focuses on this and then people close to him or a therapist or whatever would be like, hey, I'm scared, I'm concerned cause you haven't like,


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[Assistant] Cause, cause that's how, right? Like a lot of the time, like, oh, he, you know, I, you know, my girl broke up with, I don't know, whatever, like something traumatic. And then they'll be like, hey, I don't want to think about it. I want to focus on these other things. I don't want to think about it. And they kind of bury it. Seems like that kind of happens sometimes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well his situation is kind of different, that's more of a small picture scenario where, where it's like, I don't have time to dwell on my guy who just, this just happened to him because right now, there's important things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so hey, let me ask you this about false cheerleading. So, cause that came up in the mustard by the way. Uhm, someone thought that it was just set, like, focusing on the positives and not the negatives. Then they were like, that's false cheerleading. Or they implied that that's what, and life was like, no false cheerleading is when you're cheering for someone, even though they're not doing a good job.


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[Assistant] But if you were to say, hey, those are real quality and not quantity, like that would be factual.


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[Assistant] Great. And then there's a 40 that's like, hey, you gotta change this. And then I sorta, I sorta downplay the 40, you, not me, you, like my boss, downplay the 40, just to encourage me, whatever reason, uhm, and you really upplay the 60. Is that false cheerleading?


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[Assistant] Sure, of course, the ruler. But, so okay, so technically, yeaah, so your whole campaign, yeaah, is not false cheerleading then. So it's like, but, let's say you just stuck, let's say that, for that first one, that's step one, right? Let's say, I don't know, five steps. So if you just stuck with step one, I guess it depends on the reason too, right? So if I'm like, hey,


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[Assistant] This 60% is awesome and don't even mention the 40% because I don't want any conflict with that guy or I'm scared to, you know, confront him or I'm scared for that conversation.


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[Assistant] I guess, okay, I was gonna say you could almost say false cheerleading actually has its little spot in a bigger campaign. Can be used in a campaign. But I guess technically if it is, by its very nature, if it's part of a big campaign, it's not false cheerleading, it's just maybe strategic.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I might even come back to you to improve myself more.


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[Assistant] No, and he'll probably not take criticism because they start getting used to like never having to. Everything I do is great.


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[Assistant] I was thinking about that yesterday, the working out thing. How like, people complain. Only cause my arm, you know, you have your situations that keep you from working out or training. Yeah. And on the up, like, did you check yourself? When you get it, well, it was a moment of appreciation is what it was. So you know when you get, you know, you get injured.


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[Assistant] Sick. And you feel yourself getting better, like, oh shoot, like a mark, you know, like today, I felt better than I've felt this whole time, kind of thing. That's when the waves of appreciation come back.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so, the eating, and that's a big part every time that he mentions, uhm, eating.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well he goes away like after like seven hours, I think, or subsides, like to me, in my experience, it depends on who you are, I'm sure, but at about four, five hours, that's when, that's peak hunger right there, in my experience, but either way. So you know, when he gets back, like he gets, you know,


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, not with chips, typically, no. Yeah, that's, um, yeah, that's, that's rough to say the least. But now, you know, and I, look, I'm living, you know, we're living kind of this journey with him in a small way, right? And he, the peace, you know, they come to, you know, peace agreement, so he's back.


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[Assistant] Feeling the warm air. Eating three times a day. Man, it makes you think like-


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[Assistant] Now? Okay, what? 2018, right? Bruh, there's like, there's more than one, two, there's many, many apps on your phone.


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[Assistant] And the helpful, or what makes it helpful is like perspective, right, when you put it into perspective. Let's say you're living your life everyday, you're all used to it, we're all used to it, and you don't feel like doing something.


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[Assistant] Let's say you didn't sleep because you read that book and you were just up for two days. You really don't feel like going to the gym. I'll tell you that.


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[Assistant] It means you can kind of do anything really when you, when you kind of put it into perspective. So, so what are we doing?


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[Assistant] Yeah, jeez. Talk about kidding. That should be enough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so he, not only did he power through it, he went back. Yeah. Jeez. I don't know if, I don't know man, let's, let's hit me.


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[Assistant] No, you don't. And yeaah. And he's pfft. Man. See, even keeping the sense of humor, all this stuff. Oh yeaah. Man.


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[Assistant] So, well, yeaah. So, we're on the path. Like, there's no one off the path anymore. No, I can't be. We can't. You're not allowed to be. It's not even allowed. You're not allowed to be.


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[Assistant] Alright, so when you, when you start jujitsu, if you haven't already, which most of us have,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so what gi do you get? What rash guard do you get? Hey look, there's plenty geese, plenty rash guards. Uh, not really. All from origin. There's only one. Well, the good news is, and I was talking to some folks at the muster about this a few times actually, you know, hey, what gi should I get?


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[Assistant] Yes, exactly. It's not like that. It's not like that. Or you dye your hair. Or yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, man, you know, maybe, you know, I, I don't, obviously, I don't go with Pete and be like, hey, why are we doing this, this particular, so I don't know, but I'm assuming maybe it took more to make certain ones or whatever, but get, get, the point is, get whichever one you want. Yeah. Straight up. Yeah. Lightweight, heavyweight, whatever.


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[Assistant] Yep, Jocko Supplements. So what? Joint Warfare, Krill Oil, Discipline, Mulk, and Worry Kid Mulk. So, what do these cover? The most important elements, I think, of supplementation. So, joints.


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[Assistant] Those are gonna go out on you. If you're into lifting heavy, into jiu jitsu hard, you work hard if you have like a manual labor type job.


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[Assistant] A big part of it is you don't realize how much, how much benefit there is to taking krill oil and joint warfare on a regular basis.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, yeah, no, no, no. All good. And the nostalgia part, that is, that is something, and I felt it too. The what part? The nostalgia. The nostalgia, yeah, cause you're like, I remember this. Yes, yes.


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[Assistant] You got it from a store called Big Safe on Kauai. Of course you do. But yea, that's for the protein and the regular milk. That's for the protein too.


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[Assistant] I think the more you grow up in life and embrace the discipline, you understand that more. Cause there are levels of understanding. To the core. To the core. Anyway, if you want to represent, go to JockoStore.com. Cause Jocko has a store. Shirt's on there. Hoodies!


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[Assistant] Alright. Anyway, the point is, there's a lot of cool stuff on there. I think it's cool. DefCore? DefCore stuff, to the core. All, all things, technically are DefCore. Technically. True. I'm gonna leave it at that. Also,


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[Assistant] Hats on there. And women's stuff. Also rash guards too.


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[Assistant] Oh, you don't know about style, yeaah. I forgot, I forgot. Anyway, Flexly hats on there as well. A lot of good stuff. If you want something, get something. Good way to represent while staying on the path. There's some tea on there, the Jocko teas on there, and various other things. Anyway, talk about jockostore.com.


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[Assistant] You know, I was watching Shark Tank, you know, that show, the entrepreneur show. And you know, there's a kid on there doing his thing. What was he making? Uh, what was it? Some glue. Okay. Some washable glue. He was using it for Legos, which was kinda odd, but I guess if you're, you know, anyway, long.


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[Assistant] I think you should at least, yea, do it. And then if it's like, yea, cause I would think as far as potential problems, you might run into like, you know how like on the other ones, like you can, I get, you can relate so you, you know kind of what to say about it, you know, like, hey, you're thinking this or whatever. Yeah, with the smoking.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but I think, again, I think it's a different game to really, like, recruit Anzen to be addicted to smoking. I don't know, I've never smoked.


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[Assistant] Also, if you're on the path, working out, that's part of it, right? My, my four things, working out was one of them. And, you wanna vary every workout, so this is where you get your kettlebells, on it. Onit.com. Tom, Tom, it's called Onit.com slash Jocko. Slash Jocko, by the way. Get some rings, kettlebells,


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[Assistant] Right, but when you picked it up, you were like, dang, this is kinda heavy. And then when you swing it, you're like, woah, woah, woah, let me get the smaller one. Well, that's how I was anyway. But anyway, you can get that stuff there. Rings are a big deal, in my opinion. Rings.


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[Assistant] They're stable, bruh. They're stable. Yeah, super stable. Anyway, yeah, I posted a picture of my son. I don't really post that many pictures of like my kids all the time. I'm like, every once in a while, sure.


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[Assistant] He was lifting, you know, when you lift and it's like, he just jumps in and says, my turn. He does a deadlift. Does it pretty good. Kids have good form, by the way. Yes, they do. So he does a deadlift on one of the little on it. Kettlebell is a smaller one. Is he too? Yeah. And he's like, watch me. He did.


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[Assistant] No, I'm just saying that's what he did at that time and I took a picture of it. I'm not saying we were maxing out, me and my two year old were maxing out deadlift and he only could do 18, that's not what I'm saying. Anyway, I took a picture of it.


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[Assistant] Which may or may not have warrior kid themes. Oh.


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[Assistant] Bruh, this is, and this is kinda mean, I guess, in a way. So.


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[Assistant] I've worked to Mark's mission on repeat in the household helps that


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[Assistant] Like if I s- I'll threaten, hey no chapter tonight, sh- uuuh. You know, she scrambles to, you know-


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[Assistant] Fall in line. Anyway, uhm, so the good thing about having it on repeat, cause obviously we finished or whatever, I'm on round two, like towards the end of the book, and she just knows, she knows the answers now, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it does help. What I was about to say about it, I feel bad. Cause one night, this was like two nights ago, uhm, she got this new unicorn book. Kids book. I don't know where she got it. From school or something like this. Oh yeah, from their library or whatever. You know, borrow the book! Cause I had a new unicorn book, but I read that thing. The thing is so lame. It's a kindergarten level book, by the way.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 145 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] of the marine rifle company and platoon is to locate close with and destroy the enemy by fire and maneuver or to repel his assault by fire and close combat.


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[Assistant] The primary mission of the weapons platoon of the rifle company is to provide supporting direct and indirect fires, including close in anti tank fires and demolitions for maneuvering or defending elements of the rifle company.


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[Assistant] Much more straight forward than that. That is taken directly from FM FM 6 tac 4 marine rifle company. And this is a, this is a solid manual.


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[Assistant] A very solid manual. A very solid field manual. And one of the reasons that I pulled it out again, cause I wanted to look at the general principles of war. And this has, so the


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[Assistant] The US military, all branches, talk about the principles of war as America sees the principles of war.


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[Assistant] For whatever reason, the FM FM 6TAC 4 has sort of the best


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[Assistant] Descriptions of them that I like, I should say. Maybe they're not the best. They're my preferential ones. The ones that I prefer. So, the principles of war, pretty straight forward, but I wanted to talk about them.


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[Assistant] And this kinda led me down a little rabbit hole, which I sometimes go into when it comes to.


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[Assistant] You know, military strategies, principles, tactics. And I ended up in a place that I thought was very interesting. It kind of brought me back to something that I'd uncovered years ago.


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[Assistant] Gel my thought process. Started to, started to see little, little, little connections in the world.


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[Assistant] So, it started with this. So the principles of war. So they talk about these broad principles of war. Again, everyone in the military covers these principles. Everyone in the US military covers these principles of war. Here's how the Marine Corps in the Marine Rifle Company manual discusses them. Okay. Principles of war.


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[Assistant] General, the principles of war are fundamental truths governing the prosecution of war.


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[Assistant] There you go. The principles of war are guidelines to be used by a commander to effectively apply the combat power of the marine company or platoon to aid in the accomplishment of the assigned mission.


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[Assistant] The effective application of these principles is essential to the proper exercise of command and the conduct of war.


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[Assistant] It is not enough to name them in sequence, but rather to know when and how to relate them to the combat environment.


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[Assistant] Principles of war are included here to provide a review for the commander to be used when applying doctrine contained in this manual. Now the important part to remember is, and you're going to see this, that these principles do not only apply to war at all.


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[Assistant] The objective of a military force is the goal or aim usually expressed as a mission for which the force was constituted. This principle is overriding.


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[Assistant] It is applicable to any operation at any level of command. The objective of a force can be stated in either broad or precise terms depending upon the nature of the goal. Each element of an infantry unit contributes to the attainment of the objective of the larger unit of which it is a part.


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[Assistant] For example, when the objective of a battalion has been defined, all elements of the battalion must be assigned objectives that facilitate the attainment of the battalion objective.


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[Assistant] Success in combat is measured by the accomplishment of the mission. So this is important to remember from a leadership perspective. When you come up with a mission,


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[Assistant] And it's a broad mission for your company or for your team.


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[Assistant] Then the smaller teams within your team have gotta redefine that mission as it applies to them and make sure that what they come up with for a mission is aligned with and supports the broader mission of the team. So when you own a manufacturing plant,


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[Assistant] And your goal is to manufacture X amount of widgets a month. Well then the people on the line, they have their little portion of that widget that they manufacture. And they gotta make sure that they can fulfill their part of mission that allows you to do this overall success.


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[Assistant] Also, there's like supply people that are bringing the supplies in for the widget. Their goal, their mission is to provide the supplies needed to make these things. And so, that's what it is. You gotta make sure that the, the mission of the sub, subordinate units


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[Assistant] Are in support of and nested inside of the broader mission. But sometimes we forget as leaders,


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[Assistant] That the front line people or the subordinate people below you in the chain of command, they might not understand that they need to do that. Might not happen. So you need to do it for them. Sometimes you need to spell things out. Next. Offensive. By the offensive.


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[Assistant] The commander can impose his will on the enemy, set the pace and course of battle, exploit enemy weaknesses, and meet unexpected developments.


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[Assistant] Be on the offensive. What do, what do we call this? We call this default aggressive, right? That's the, that's the similar and I will continue to make the comparisons between


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[Assistant] What we talk about, what I talk, what I came up with the original four laws of combat.


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[Assistant] To the book. Even in the defensive, the commander must be alert to regain the initiative by offensive counter actions. Aggressiveness, flexibility of mind and the ability to make rapid, reasoned decisions are required to apply fully the principle of the offensive.


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[Assistant] In defense, the commander can often best accomplish his mission by offensive action.


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[Assistant] So, even when you're on defense, you should be


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[Assistant] You should be looking to go on the offense. And there's some other definitions that talk about this is very, very clear when you're training Jiu Jitsu. Have you ever trained with someone, well I know you have, when you're training with someone that's constantly attacking,


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[Assistant] That's, that's, you're gonna go down. I mean you're gonna, when someone, that's how someone gets the upper hand. They're attacking here, they're attacking there, they're attacking over here, they're attacking back there again. And you're constantly on the defense, defense, defense, defense, and eventually they get the upper hand and crush you.


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[Assistant] It is, of course, a relative term because all actions in war are essentially complex. That's a great point. And I talk about that too. I talk about how easy it is to, like, how a mission, hey, it's so easy to, a CO mission is not rocket science, right? It's not brain surgery.


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[Assistant] You've, you know where the bad guy is. You know where you are. You're gonna load in some helicopters or some vehicles or some boats. You're gonna go to where they are and you're gonna get them and you're gonna come back. There's the mission.


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[Assistant] That's a little oversimplified. And it's not that much oversimplified, but you know, there's things like fuel, there's things like load, load plans, there's things about weight, how much each vehicle can carry, or how much each helicopter can carry, so there's, there are, and how you're gonna put cover fire down, there's, there are more detailed things, so like the statement says,


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[Assistant] All actions in war are essentially complex and I will say that all actions in war are also essentially simple.


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[Assistant] They've lost sight of the simplicity of their mission. The simplicity of their mission is to make something. And they get all wrapped around all these other things. But what you're supposed to be doing is making this thing.


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[Assistant] And everything that you're doing should be lead to supporting the making of this thing. People go down, they focus their efforts in other areas. So it's good to think about, yes, there's complexities. It's a total dichotomy. It's a total dichotomy in business too, right? There's a total dichotomy.


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[Assistant] It's, it's very complicated but at the same time it's actually very simple.


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[Assistant] So when you feel things getting too complicated, that's when you take a step back and go, okay, what is we, what are we actually trying to do here?


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[Assistant] Back to the book. Simplicity will be especially important on the nuclear battlefield.


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[Assistant] Where the full use of available means will require close control and coordination and where plans must be simple, as simple as the situation will, will permit.


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[Assistant] What's interesting, the copy that I'm using of this, and it's gonna lead to the rest of this whole podcast, which is when we're gonna start talking about the Soviets, and which goes back to the 80s. I think the date on this book, on this particular version, is the 80s, which is Cold War.


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[Assistant] Prepare for nuclear combat. And when we get into the Soviets and what they're thinking you're going to see, nuclear combat was absolutely


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[Assistant] We're gonna drop bombs and everyone is gonna die. I don't know how we simplify that anymore.


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[Assistant] And clearly, laws of combat. Simplicity. Simple. That's one of the primary laws.


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[Assistant] That's actually law number two in my laws of combat that we put in extreme ownership.


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[Assistant] And why is that? Because I would see over and over and over again what would jam up.


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[Assistant] To use your term, what would jam up a seal platoon is a complicated plan. It would do it every single time.


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[Assistant] So, you have to keep it simple. That's one of those ones, before I really started diving into.


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[Assistant] I, I had told everyone, hey, you gotta keep it simple, you gotta keep it simple, and I'd been told, you know, the Vietnam guys would say, keep it simple, stupid, you know, kiss.


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[Assistant] But I was a little nervous that I was maybe overboard with that. And as soon as you start looking at it, keeping things simple is a broad military principle that's been around forever. And there's a reason. Because it's true.


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[Assistant] Next up, unity of command. Unity of command is the establishment of a single authority. This is the best means of ensuring unity of effort, which implies a singleness of purpose and cooperation by all elements of the command.


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[Assistant] That one seems obvious. I'll tell you what prevents this from happening. Most of the time it's ego. Most of the time in the business world it's, no one wants to say, hey you know what, we're putting this other guy in charge. Give him the support that he needs.


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[Assistant] So, you know what, you run this part of it, and then you run the other part of it, and then, and then Jennifer over here, she can run it. So it's all, it's actually all three of you gonna coordinate together to, uh, to make this happen.


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[Assistant] Well who's in charge? You're all in charge. How does that work out? Not good. The only way it works out good is if one of those people or two of the three people are exquisite leaders with no egos and can prop up the other person that's an egomaniac and make them feel good and let it happen. Otherwise it's gonna be problematic.


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[Assistant] You'd see this, so in the military what they do is they designate someone as the main effort.


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[Assistant] So, one, one company or one battalion will be designated. Okay, you're the main effort, we're all here to support you.


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[Assistant] That's, that's something you definitely have to be careful of. And I'll tell you, I'll give you a little hint, a little help. The best way to do this is just to do it.


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[Assistant] The best way to do it is to be like, hey, you know what, I need one person running this, so Billy, you got this one. Yeah. Jennifer, I'll probably give you the next one, but Billy,


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[Assistant] You need to, you need to take command of this one, I know you know this terrain a little bit better, you run this one. Yeah. Jennifer, if we go over to your, your market area next time, you'll be running it. So, do what you can to support Billy right now, cause he'll be supporting you in the future.


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[Assistant] They don't want to just tell Jennifer that she needs to take the backseat on this one. It hurts too much, so they put everyone in charge, and now you got no one in charge, now you got a disaster on your hand. Unity of command.


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[Assistant] Mass depends, or sorry, mass demands that superiority of combat power be attained at the critical time and place for a decisive purpose. This superiority is both qualitative and quantitative.


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[Assistant] Combat power is primarily a combination of firepower and maneuver, which is applied at the right time at the right place for a decisive purpose.


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[Assistant] So what does this mean? Focus your efforts. This means prioritize and execute. This is the same thing. This is the same idea as prioritize and execute, which is pick where, pick what the biggest problem is, and that's what you're gonna attack. Focus your resources on it.


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[Assistant] The use of nuclear weapons by enemy forces will require greater dispersion for passive defense. Therefore, a greater stress must be placed on the application of mass from the point of view of time rather than space.


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[Assistant] Violation of this principle exposes the command to the risk of piecemeal defeat even by an inferior enemy.


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[Assistant] Next, economy of force. Economy, oh, before we get there, mass, another, another way that this relates to Jujitsu is that when you get an armlock, what are you doing? You're focusing all your strength on the one weak point of the enemy.


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[Assistant] Economy of force requires that sufficient force be applied at other than the decisive time and place to permit mass to be applied at the point of decision.


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[Assistant] These two principles, economy of force and mass, are so closely related that they cannot be considered singly.


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[Assistant] Application of the two principles requires a sound estimate of what is sufficient elsewhere to permit the attainment of decisive superiority at the decisive time and place. Sufficient is the key. It connotes


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[Assistant] The application of force necessary to accomplish the purpose and not the application of as little force as possible. So economy of force, this is, we heard a lot about this in judo. Right, when we talked about judo in depth.


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[Assistant] It's all about economy of force. That's sort of the underlying principle of judo.


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[Assistant] Which therefore makes it one of the underlying principles of Jujitsu. Depending on what kind of game you got.


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[Assistant] Where they're going to use economy of force to their advantage because they're going to wear the other person out.


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[Assistant] I would say I actually do that. I do that. I don't, I will, I will


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[Assistant] Allow people to move around and get tired.


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[Assistant] And by the way, that's the best time, that's the best time to disrupt any situation. Like if you got a situation


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[Assistant] Like a self defense situation, you, you just disrupt it immediately as soon as it starts, right? You just poke some, you know, stick a pen in their eye and run away, right? You don't wait for them to grab you and you don't do that. An active shooter situation.


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[Assistant] No, you don't think, oh well I'm gonna see where this is going. No, you immediately disrupt it, get out of there as fast as you can. You don't wait around. So you don't let the enemy settle in their position. Because once they settle in their position, they're, they're now


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[Assistant] They can now focus on what's happening.


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[Assistant] Cause they're no longer having to focus on settling. Right? They've established position. When you're fighting against an established position, it's problematic.


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[Assistant] So it's like, Dean does a really good job of teaching where as the person gets into their final movement to get in position, he teaches where the gaps are. Because there are definite gaps there.


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[Assistant] The person is fully established. In fact, I'll go ahead and tell you, you're wasting energy because that person is fully established. You lost your opportunity during that transitional period.


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[Assistant] Not condoning or encouraging the spaz as the premier escape situation, cause it's not. Cause there's plenty of times, especially against an unskilled opponent, they can spaz all they want, they're not going anywhere. Yes, correct.


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[Assistant] And from a leadership perspective, there is also something very similar that happens from a leadership perspective. As a leader, let's say, okay, when you're a black belt or a brown belt,


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[Assistant] They're grabbing your belt. Or they're grabbing your sleeve like as hard as they possibly can. Or they're grabbing your neck.


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[Assistant] It is no factor, right? I mean, it's literally no factor to you.


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[Assistant] If you make it a factor, that just means you're not experienced enough. That means if you're only a blue belt, you're going against a lower blue belt.


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[Assistant] From a leadership perspective, there's things that are going on with your team, with individuals on your team. And if you don't know what you're doing,


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[Assistant] You're concerned about them, and they freak you out, and they make you react.


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[Assistant] These things happen and you just, you just realize what they are. It's just wasted energy.


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[Assistant] For them, and it's gonna have no impact on the long term deal that you're, you know where you're going. So.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a clear indicator to me when I'm working with a leader and they're spun up about little things.


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[Assistant] I- for some reason I always think of like, they're spun up that the person's grabbing their-


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[Assistant] If a guy is, if you're mounted on a guy and he starts to lift your knee, you can reach down and address it. No big deal. You don't panic. You don't give up them out.


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[Assistant] You just address it and then you, you take it back to normal. So as, and what this has to do with really is has to do with detachment because you,


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[Assistant] If you're detached, you'll see that whatever this situation is, it's not that big of a deal.


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[Assistant] Not good. Sufficient. Sufficient. Sufficient force. Check. Alright. Next. Maneuver.


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[Assistant] Maneuver requires that all military resources be brought to bear in the accomplishment of the objective.


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[Assistant] Correct application of the principle of maneuver requires not only the full use of combat power at the decisive time and place, but includes the movements of elements of combat power, including combat service support to the area of operations.


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[Assistant] That's pretty straight forward. You, you have to move your people into the right positions, including the support people that need to get there to keep the logistics lines open, to keep the intelligence flowing, to keep the radios working and all that.


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[Assistant] Application of this principle is a function of command at all levels. At the highest level, it usually means the movement of men, means, and supplies to an area of operations, and at the lowest level it means the positioning of troop units and fires to destroy the enemy.


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[Assistant] Surprised connotes striking the enemy when, where, or in such a manner that he is unable to counter effectively.


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[Assistant] The attacker may achieve surprise by the time, place, direction, size, or composition of forces or tactics employed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that one's pretty straight forward. That one's pretty straight forward. That's the, that's the difference. Really, that's the difference. That's one of the differences between


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[Assistant] They can't know what's coming in jiu-jitsu. If they know what's coming, and they know any jiu-jitsu that are gonna defend that thing. So, surprise comes when you are baiting them with one thing and you hit them with something else. I've told you that story, like when I was like a white belt, I'd probably been training for like four weeks.


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[Assistant] And this seal buddy of mine who had been training for a while but kind of off and on and, and,


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[Assistant] He was a friend of mine, and as soon as I was training for like a week, I was like, hey, let's train. So I was kind of roughing him up, right?


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[Assistant] Cause he, he's training off and on, and, but he's a good dude, a great dude, and,


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[Assistant] I said to him, so after like three weeks, I said to him, you know, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] And this, this guy's a freaking awesome seal. He took just my words of what I told him and applied them to what he already knew physically about how to do a choke and how to do an armlock.


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[Assistant] Yes and no. I, I agree with you. There's sometimes when I submit people, when they completely know that it's coming.


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[Assistant] The thing that, the, the surprise came earlier. Yeah, so, and so he got into a


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[Assistant] Which, to the point of this, he did through surprise. He did some little movement and all of a sudden he's mounted with my arm exposed. And now I know I'm gonna get unlocked, I can't get out of it.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, so, but, so sometimes you do submit people like that, where they know it's coming, but you're right, you gotta get that surprise movement to get in sufficient, in position.


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[Assistant] I just got this question today, I was getting interviewed and the guy's like, you know, that guy's like, well, I mean what happens when


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[Assistant] And I'm like, well, I don't get in situations like that. Why? Because I've spent the last six months, eight months, one year building a relationship up with my boss. Where, when my boss tells me to do something that I don't believe in, I say, hey boss, I don't know if this is a good idea, how about we do this a different way? My boss says, oh, thank you, Jocko. Thank you for not allowing me to tell you to do something that doesn't make sense.


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[Assistant] So, you're right, it's a preemptive, a preemptive maneuver to be in the right position so that you will not get told to do something. Now does that mean I haven't done a bunch of things that I didn't want to do leading up to that point? Yes, absolutely, that's called building leadership capital.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make my boss win over and over and over again. No one wants to hear that.


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[Assistant] I just got asked when Leif and I were out in Staten Island.


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[Assistant] Guys, like, you know, what can I do to lead people that are...


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[Assistant] You can't park orders and it's not gonna help. It'll help for a minute. Like they'll load that truck up, but they're looking for another job.


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[Assistant] It's a broad, underlying, fundamental situation that you set up for success.


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[Assistant] And, and then there's this whole thought, cause I, and I've said this on here many times, I say it all the time, I built relationships with bosses that I didn't like.


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[Assistant] Right? People go, oh, well Jocko's an ass kisser.


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[Assistant] And Jocko's a brown-noser, cause he's just trying to build a relationship with his boss.


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[Assistant] And I always say no, I'm not a brown-noser. No, I'm not an ass-kisser. I'm winning. I'm here to win. That's what I'm here to do. You know what I'm here to do? Take care of my platoon and make sure that they can


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[Assistant] If my, if I have an antagonistic relationship with my boss, can I truly support my platoon? The answer is no. All day long. He's not going to give me the gear that we need because he doesn't like me. He's not going to give me the training that I need because he doesn't like me.


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[Assistant] So why is he gonna give me what I need? He's not. But if I have a good relationship with him, that I built,


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[Assistant] Then guess what he's gonna do? He's gonna let, give me what I need to accomplish my mission. He's gonna give me what I need to...


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[Assistant] Where does, where does Jocko become a brown-noser and an ass-kisser? Cause we know these people exist and I'll tell you exactly where the line gets crossed. The line gets crossed where I'm kissing my boss's ass.


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[Assistant] So that I can get promoted or I can get taken care of or I can take care of myself. If that's what game you're in, yes, you're an ass kisser. I don't like you because you're doing it for you.


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[Assistant] It's like the difference between manipulation and leadership, right? If you're doing, if you're, if you're influencing people so that they do something that's gonna help the team and help the mission and help them, that's influence.


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[Assistant] If you're doing something, if you're influencing, or that's leadership, if you're influencing people so that you can help yourself and benefit yourself, that's, and it doesn't help the team and it doesn't help the mission, that's manipulation.


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[Assistant] Everyone can see it. And what's really jacked up, or it's not even jacked up, what's kinda cool,


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[Assistant] Is if you're looking out for the boys and you're looking out for the mission and you're doing everything for theirs, for their, for the best, for their best, that shows through too.


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[Assistant] Your people, your boss wants to take care of you, cause you're trying to win. For him.


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[Assistant] What's what's what's interesting just to take that to one more level if you're the guy that's like Hey, I got too much pride to do that. I'm not doing that. I'm not bound down to him Okay, so you're gonna lose because to me I look I don't just look at it like one hit like that's the end of the game The game doesn't end there the game ends when I'm on top with the big win this


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[Assistant] I played a long game in this one. In all of them. Maneuver.


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[Assistant] Make them understand. Make you understand where they're coming from. Can you lead someone that you don't understand? Not really. Here's another one. You get someone


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[Assistant] That's the, that's the black belt move. The black belt move is like, yeah, you're damn right, this is all about you and here's how you're gonna win. And by the way, the whole team's gonna be winning because you're winning, but we don't worry about that. We're worried about if your perception


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[Assistant] Because the fact of the matter is is it's your fault.


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[Assistant] When your person is not doing what they're supposed to be doing, it's your fault. Hey, do you get the person that just has a totally negative attitude that shouldn't be on the team? Yes, they exist. I get that.


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[Assistant] If they're not that person, whose responsibility is it to get everything you can out of them? It's you, you're the boss.


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[Assistant] It's like, oh, well, maybe if, maybe if, maybe if you were a better leader, the millennials would be on board.


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[Assistant] It's a hard thing to face. But if David Hackworth and Jim Mukayama can get draftees in Vietnam to go and risk their lives and fight the enemy and possibly get wounded or killed?


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[Assistant] If they can do that through good leadership, I think you can get a millennial to get, get after it.


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[Assistant] They're not like, hey, hey, it's good to meet you. I'm glad you're putting out word about how to be lazy. No, they're like, I am gonna crush the world. They're out there.


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[Assistant] Takes a little bit, yea, yea, what it takes, it takes leadership, that's what it takes. I'm sorry. Leadership is not easy. People, the millennials don't want to listen. Who wants to listen? I was more rebellious than any millennial I've met.


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[Assistant] Security. Security provides readiness for action or counter action and is enhanced greatly by flexibility. Flexibility in mind, organization and means contributes to security.


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[Assistant] Its attainment embraces all measures designed to avoid being surprised or interfered with seriously and the retention of freedom of action.


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[Assistant] Security does not imply undue caution and avoidance of all risks. Important, right? Security does not imply undue caution. So there's a dichotomy here.


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[Assistant] For bold action is essential to success in war. And what does bold action require? It requires risks. Otherwise it wouldn't be bold.


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[Assistant] Gotta maintain security. That makes sense. So those are the nine principles. Those are the nine principles of war. That's as they existed. Now,


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[Assistant] They also talk about, and there's a debate right now going around of whether, whether a flexibility should be the 10th principle. Some people think it should, some people think it shouldn't. And then,


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[Assistant] In 2011, they added some principles to joint operations. And here are those principles. Number one is


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[Assistant] Restraint. To limit collateral damage and prevent unnecessary use of force. So now we're getting into minimum force, right? Restraint requires careful and disciplined balancing of the need for security, the conduct of military operations, and the national strategic end state.


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[Assistant] That's where they came up with this. You have to put that minimum force. That's what that is. That's the same thing, right?


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[Assistant] And I think the key to that, they put on the end, the national strategic end state. So what does that mean? Sometimes, if you use too much violence, if you as a bouncer use too much violence,


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[Assistant] Your, your goal, your mission as a bouncer is to keep the place safe.


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[Assistant] If you use too much violence, people don't want to go there because the bouncers are assholes, right? They're beating everyone up. That's a problem.


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[Assistant] So what's our strategic end state is that we keep this place safe. So that's why they're talking about that same situation.


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[Assistant] That's a little leadership maneuver that they're doing. They're trying to, they didn't do a good job.


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[Assistant] This is one of the new ones, one of the new principles. Perseverance. To ensure the commitment necessary to attain the national strategic end state.


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[Assistant] The underlying causes of the crisis may be elusive, making it difficult to achieve decisive resolution. The patient, resolute and persistent pursuit of national goals and objectives often is essential to success. What I don't like about that one is it, it, it, it kind of


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[Assistant] It kinda says, it's saying like, what's the number one rule? Objective. Like you gotta know what your mission is, you gotta have an objective. And this one is saying, look,


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[Assistant] The underlying causes can be elusive. It can be difficult to achieve decisive resolution. So,