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[Assistant] And if you wanna learn some of that magic, you wanna learn what to do when someone's irate with you. You wanna learn what to do when someone is


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[Assistant] Blaming you. You want to learn what to do when one of your subordinates is not completing their projects on time. You want to know what to do when your boss is not making any decisions.


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[Assistant] That's what we teach. This little bit of magic. It's just like Jujitsu. You can get it all under control. Go to ExtremeOwnership.com. We got a bunch of courses on there. We do live sessions. What's the latest course? Do you know what the latest course to get posted is?


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[Assistant] Oh, I mean, I don't know how to work a relationship. Cool. Just like idiots used to say I know how to fight. You don't know how to fight. You don't. You don't know how to fight.


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[Assistant] You don't know how to build relationships. There's actual tactics, techniques, and procedures that you can utilize to build relationships.


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[Assistant] Those are the facts. You don't know what they are. You think you know what they are, but you don't. Just like, just like I was in 1992, thought I knew how to fight.


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[Assistant] As soon as I got on the mats of justice, I learned.


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[Assistant] There's techniques, there's tactics, there's procedures, there's maneuvers. I don't know. So it's the same thing with leadership. Go to ExtremeOwnership.com. Learn how to lead.


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[Assistant] And if you want to help service members active and retired, you want to help their families, their gold star families, check out Mark Lee's mom. Momma Lee!


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[Assistant] What else we got? If you want to connect with us, Leif, where you at? On the winter webs. Where you at? What's your social media?


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[Assistant] It's true. He's at Echo Charles. I'm at Jocko Willink. Just watch out when you sign into those things. They're tracking you. They're trying to get into your brain. They got that algorithm.


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[Assistant] The algorithm's coming after you. And it's, it's strong. It has no rules of engagement, by the way. It doesn't care. It doesn't care about collateral damage. It doesn't care that you are gonna miss Jujitsu because you are watching something stupid. It doesn't care about that.


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[Assistant] Doing the right things for the right reasons, holding the line and protecting this great nation while defending the moral high ground.


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[Assistant] Thanks to all of you. Also, thanks to our police and law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, all first responders. Thanks for what you do to keep us safe. And to everyone else out there, you gotta take the high ground. And you gotta keep the high ground. The tactical high ground on the battlefield. And you, more importantly, have to maintain that moral high ground.


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[Assistant] Taking ownership, preemptive ownership, knowing that there are no excuses. And you cannot recover.


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[Assistant] You have to take the moral high ground and you have to keep it and you do that by doing the right thing, doing the legal thing.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 380 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] That means change, and ching means script. So this book is commonly called


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[Assistant] The book of changes original author unknown it got modified over the years Confucius I think is the most famous person that kind of added to it another some other guy another


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[Assistant] Character slash myth slash legend, uh, fu-shi. And again, I'm not, uh, any kind of an expert on this stuff. I just wanted to kind of touch it from the surface here. But he created


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[Assistant] The yin-yang symbol. So the yin-yang is a symbol that everybody knows from


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[Assistant] But also it's just a common symbol. You see it's in every cheesy martial arts movie, right? You hear a little yin-yang in there. It's in...


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[Assistant] We've seen a lot of ying and yang tattoos, especially from back in the day, I'm going to say 80s, 90s, you know, so there was some ying yang tattoos that could still be happening, but they were pretty popular back then.


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[Assistant] So we got that common symbol of yin and yang, and the, the story behind that is before the universe, before there was anything, there was just stillness and there was emptiness, and then these two energies, these two... Cheese. Chi.


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[Assistant] Chi collided, made the universe, that's yin and yang. So, in this book, I Ching, it's made up of these little characters. Not language characters, but stacks of lines.


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[Assistant] Literally stacks of lines. A broken line is yin, yin, and a solid line is yang.


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[Assistant] And these two, when you stack these lines...


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[Assistant] You can stack them in ways that represent the eight fundamental natural parts of, of,


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[Assistant] Earth, really, fire, so it's fire, water, wind, thunder, one of them says river, but I think it's like river, lake, maybe even ocean in there, mountain, earth, and heaven. If you put these three things together,


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[Assistant] Divination, which is the predicting of the future, so.


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[Assistant] Divination is something that we do in America, believe it or not. You ever drive down the road and you see like, palm reader?


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[Assistant] That's divination. Like, oh, I was born in October, so when the seventh moon is in the dark side, that means that I should move on my new, you know, theories or whatever.


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[Assistant] And that's sort of what the I Ching has become in a way, or it became. And you end up with this thing where they call these things.


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[Assistant] Uhm, hexagrams, where basically it looks like six stacked lines, and it's all these different arrangements, and so you, you have these, so it's a solid line and a broken line.


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[Assistant] Or a broken line. Those are the two types of lines you can have. It's binary. You can have one or the other. And they stack these lines in different ways and it means different things. So the top three lines might mean water and the bottom three lines might mean earth.


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[Assistant] You can predict different things, right? That's, that's what it is. So like, for instance, hexagram five.


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[Assistant] But it's not just waiting, it's inner certainty. It leads to perseverance that brings good luck. So, that's what it is. That's how this works.


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[Assistant] And what they, what you end up with is...


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[Assistant] You can do it with throwing coins. Again, to predict these things. I don't want to go too deep in this because frankly,


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[Assistant] I'm not a believer. Okay. I'm not a believer in palm reading. I'm not a believer in astrology. I'm not a believer in this kind of stuff. I'm not a believer in


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[Assistant] Throwing they do with pennies or with whatever coins and like a head is one and a tail something else And you can put that's how you can predict so if you ponder your question And then you throw the coins and then it tells you what kind of line to draw and it's gonna work it out for you Okay, so again, I'm not into this kind of thing


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[Assistant] There is some basic philosophical guidance in the I Ching that completely makes sense. That's why we covered. Look, I was, I had some copy of it and when we did, we did one quote on the underground podcast and I was like, you know what? There's a lot, there is a lot of.


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[Assistant] Almost want to use the word wisdom, but I also just want to use the word common sense and sometimes common sense and wisdom are very similar They're very close to each other. You know when something seems like common sense. Yeah


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[Assistant] That's prob- that person that's executing some real common sense moves probably has a decent amount of wisdom.


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[Assistant] And some of these things in the I Ching represent some pretty good wisdom and at the same breath you could also say well that's common sense.


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[Assistant] You can, and you know this also boils down to like the old oracles. Yea. You know in ancient times there would be oracles that would make predictions like the famous one is you know the big leader comes and says should we go to war with the enemy?


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[Assistant] So everything that you're saying right now is when I, is why when I read through the I Ching, I was like, you know what? This is worth covering because there's some quote ancient wisdom or quote common sense that if you utilize, it's going to help you. And look, uhm, could I be in the zone? Could, could I,


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[Assistant] Could you take my, what I, kind of things that I say and turn it into a powerful,


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[Assistant] But, you know, we could make like a magic 8 ball with, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] Ancient Jocko wisdom in it, right? And you shake the eight ball and it says work hard.


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[Assistant] That's a good answer. Like, hey, I'm really having a problem with my job right now. What should I do? Work hard. Oh, I'm really having a problem with my relationship right now. What should I do? Work hard. I'm really having a problem staying in shape right now. What should I do? Work hard.


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[Assistant] It just seems like I'm really having a hard time getting forward at my job. Be disciplined. Like, it's gonna be a good answer.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm having a hard time getting focused. Eat clean. I'm having a hard time falling asleep. Eat clean. Like you see what I'm saying? Like these are just, do jujitsu. What's sad? What's funny about jujitsu? It's not sad.


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[Assistant] Like on the underground podcast, when people have things going on in their life, at least 50% of the time, I have to throw in their jujitsu because it's actually accurate. It's gonna make things better if you're doing jujitsu.


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[Assistant] So eat clean. You know, work hard, be disciplined.


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[Assistant] Dujujitsu. Those kind of things you could put on a magic jaco 8 ball and they would make sense and they would actually help you.


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[Assistant] They would actually help you. Do not make excuses. Do not make excuses. Boom, that's another one. You know, so those things, I mean, what would you say? Was it the opposite? Would you say like, hey, be, be lazy? Is that advice you're going to give someone?


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[Assistant] Are you gonna tell me to eat junk? Are you gonna tell that to someone? No, it doesn't make any sense. So, there's a certain amount of common sense to these things, just like there's a bunch of common sense to stuff that I say, just like there's a bunch of common sense to things that


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[Assistant] When people get traction about how to live better, normally it's like when you look at it, it's, there's definitely some common sense advice in there. And again, everything that we're talking about is why, as I read through the I Ching,


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[Assistant] Ancient wisdom or common sense, depending on how you want to look at it. You don't have to get spiritual. You don't have to, um, believe in the divination and draw the yarrow sticks. There's a bunch of different ways you can do it. It's all, yeah, there's a bunch of different ways that you can use this stuff.


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[Assistant] But I think if you just read what they say, you're going to end up in a pretty good spot.


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[Assistant] Let's get into this. This is the I Ching. Uhm, and, and so each one of these things, and I'm not gonna waste a bunch of time, no, sorry, I'm not gonna waste time. I'm not gonna go over what the little hexagram looks like.


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[Assistant] In your mind, just picture that every one of these things could be either six solid lines or is six lines either solid or broken lines. That's what you get.


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[Assistant] Heaven above, heaven below. So, it says the universe is united in power, so too the wise person executes his actions with power and creativity.


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[Assistant] Exceptional progress comes by correct persistence.


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[Assistant] Is that earth shattering? It certainly is not. But this is what I think is so interesting about this. Let's say you were concerned about...


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[Assistant] You know, where you're at with your health, fitness, family, whatever. Like take a pic, take a pic of what issue you're running into in your life. And it says, hey, execute your actions with power and creativity.


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[Assistant] And exceptional progress is gonna come from persistence. Okay, that's good advice. You're gonna get better.


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[Assistant] Next one, the receptive earth is in power.


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[Assistant] The wise person follows the natural path of calmness and correct persistence.


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[Assistant] Others may lead while you support their goals. This is like, as soon as I got to that one, I was thinking to myself, there's, look,


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[Assistant] Others may lead while you support your goals. I tell this to people all the time. At Ashland Front, I tell this to people at least twice a week. I'm telling them, let them take lead.


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[Assistant] Hey, if someone's got, if someone's got a good plan, cool, go, go help them, provide support.


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[Assistant] We have it in dichotomy leadership. Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow. That's good. That's exactly what they're saying. Others may lead while you support their goals. That's a good thing.


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[Assistant] Hey, and I'm skipping the part where it says Hexagram 3, water above, thunder below.


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[Assistant] The overall word is confusion, so I'm skipping that kind of part just to get to the meat of these statements, at least most of the time.


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[Assistant] Undertake no distant goal, but organize support.


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[Assistant] This is a little bit of prioritizing execute, right? There's a little bit of prioritizing execute, which is, hey, there's problems that are right now, right in front of your face. You gotta, you gotta get those problems solved.


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[Assistant] I don't like the idea of undertake no distant goal, but this is a common theme throughout this, throughout the I Ching, which is more focused on what's right in front of you. I think there's a little bit of the,


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[Assistant] Sort of the eastern philosophy of like living in the present, living in the moment. I think there's a lot of that in here.


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[Assistant] Which I think actually the opposite of make sure you're thinking strategic make sure you're thinking long-term


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[Assistant] That's, you're right. So there you go. That's, that's an interpretation that everybody says right now, right? You gotta, wait, what do they say?


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[Assistant] You gotta love the process. Love the process. You gotta love the process. Everybody wants that Mercedes right now, but you gotta love the process, right? That's a thing. And that's, you're right. That is a better take than what I said. Undertake no distant goal.


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[Assistant] Oh, you know what that means? I'm worried about that long term. I'm worried about that Mercedes right now.


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[Assistant] Carlos is, yeah, he's redoing the Spanish version of Extreme Ownership to make it highly accurate because Carlos obviously was in the SEAL teams, he's a fluent Spanish speaker, he's an instructor at Eslam Front, he teaches now the material in Spanish to our Spanish speaking clients and


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[Assistant] He, you know, he's pointed out to me, he says, hey, here's what this means in Spanish. It technically does mean what you say in English, but it


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[Assistant] So if you put it through chatgpt and just said translate this, it would just translate spit out whatever the English word and translate it to that direct closest matching Spanish word that it knows out of context.


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[Assistant] So that's what we got going on right now. We're actually going to republish the Spanish version of that and, and we're going to do a Spanish speaking where Carlos is going to do the audiobook in Spanish. It's awesome to have, you know, a fluent speaker of Spanish to be able to go that deep.


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[Assistant] What do you, what do you say when you want to refer to slippers? Like what do you say when you want to refer to something you weren't around their house that are like slippers? House slippers.


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[Assistant] To English, and you might be translating it to English, and even if both of us were fluent in Chinese and fluent in English, we still might, you know, my vibe might be a little bit different than yours, you know? So, I might pick the word discipline and you might pick the word cruising.


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[Assistant] As water collects at the base of the quiet mountain, the enlightened person finds his level through learning, decisiveness, and correct persistence.


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[Assistant] So this is basically telling you to get better. The idea of correct persistence, by the way, is also, it's in here a lot, correct persistence. And what's interesting about that is, that's,


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[Assistant] Throwing a caveat on persistence. Cause it's not like, hey, you just keep going no matter what. That would be just persistence. Hey, I'm just gonna be persistent. But at a certain point,


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[Assistant] Correct persistence is, you know what, maybe that's not quite the right thing to keep going after right now. Like you didn't get it done.


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[Assistant] You can't get it done. You're wasting a bunch of time, resources and expenses. So you want to use correct persistence. Not just persist, but correct persistence. So that's in here a lot. But to think that you're going to find your level in life by learning, that's smart wisdom. We should listen. Next one.


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[Assistant] Do not be anxious, but wait with confidence. The moment will arrive when correct persistence brings progress.


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[Assistant] Again, if you were shaking your eight ball, like, I don't know if I should keep going up college. What does it tell you?


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[Assistant] Don't be anxious. Okay. Or you're working on a project.


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[Assistant] And it's, it feels like it's overwhelming. You shake your magic 8 ball, or you throw your, your coins, and it tells you, hey, the moment will arrive when correct persistence breaks. Okay, great. I'm gonna keep going. So this is just common, it's a nice way of telling you, hey, freaking keep working, bro. That's what it's saying.


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[Assistant] That's smart. Now, sometimes people paint that in a negative way. Like, oh, that person avoids conflict, right?


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[Assistant] Choose to build a relationship with you and use an indirect method and gain your trust and confidence and you start to listen to me and I start to listen to you and then I can get you to stop doing something that doesn't make that I don't like. Great, that's good. And that's what they're talking about here.


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[Assistant] Now you can go and confront people all day long and build a bunch of bad relationships and have antagonistic feelings with the people that you work with. You can do that. And you might think you're being directed is really helpful, but it's not. And it's interesting too that the next thing it says avoid confrontation, but then there's a dichotomy to that. Cause the next thing it says is yield with caution.


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[Assistant] So I'm not just like, oh, you know, Echo wants to do it this way. Oh, I gotta go. Okay. Hey, is that the smartest thing to do? So there's a nice little balance between avoiding confrontation and yet still paying attention to when you yield and then persist not against obstacles.


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[Assistant] Now clearly, well not clearly, but my assumption is that means sort of like an impassable obstacle. What are you gonna do? Keep beating your head against the wall? No. Don't persist against an obstacle that's there. Instead, find another way around it. Don't waste a bunch of energy. Ancient wisdom coming at you. Don't beat your head against the wall.


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[Assistant] Next one, the wise person will find strength in the company of many fellows. Oh, be a part of a big group. Build a team.


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[Assistant] With leadership, there will be correct persistence and good fortune. Yep, work together as a team, have good leader, you're gonna go, you're gonna, everything's gonna go good.


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[Assistant] Okay, my parents, no, no, I'm just gonna say this. No big deal. Legos were like the high end thing.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, I got my kids lit for real legos. Legit.


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[Assistant] I wish there was something, there was some component of that thing that there was some sort of understanding of what you had.


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[Assistant] Because anyone can look at a Lego and say, oh they fit together like this. Now I understand you get these high end sets, which I kind of, I'm more like a traditional Lego dude, right? I think you should get like,


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[Assistant] The regular ones, maybe some long skinny ones, maybe some long, the little flat ones, maybe some angular 45 degree angles, and then you can work with that, right?


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[Assistant] You don't need to be getting all with, uh, things that get real specific, like custom, almost like a custom Lego. Right. But, uh, your analogy is correct, and leadership is the person that's gonna take these pieces.


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[Assistant] Okay, the idea of- It's like, you know what would be a little bit better of an analogy is chemistry.


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[Assistant] You know, a chemist can look at these different elements and say, oh I need to add this element, this element, and this element, like in the book Blood Meridian.


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[Assistant] No one else could take the various components and create gunpowder. He could. So that's a little bit better of an example than just Legos. Sure. Legos. Yeah, you don't.


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[Assistant] It'd be cool if there was an engineering challenge where it was like, oh you gotta build a, you know, a


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[Assistant] Three foot span of bridge and it's got to carry this much weight. There's your lego challenge because any times you make something Oh, it's just gonna how good it looks kind of what?


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[Assistant] Wait, how about the Lego movies? You must be into those. No. Have you not seen them? I've seen some of my kids watch them and stuff.


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[Assistant] People have various levels of that open mindedness. People have various levels of creativity. And to sort of hold that,


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[Assistant] As a standard for a kid and be like, Hey, it's sort of like if they made a movie about being tall.


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[Assistant] A lot of people don't have that knack, right? Yea. They, and that's okay, you know, it's the last podcast that we did talked about that. And it talked about it in a real politically incorrect way.


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[Assistant] A real politically incorrect way, which is like, oh, if you score this score on the standard test that we're giving to all people in the army,


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[Assistant] Actually, I don't even know if we covered this on the podcast because I might have just skipped or I might have, uh, not covered it. But they had like a standardized test that you took in 1941.


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[Assistant] Which was, oh you take the standard test and you have a certain level, capacity to


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[Assistant] Learn to do math. Okay, if you got this on the test, you can be an engineer in the military. If you don't


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[Assistant] You can't be an engineer and by the way, if you're really low on this scoring,


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[Assistant] You're going to be on the bottom end of the jobs that we have for you. You might be a person that's peeling potatoes. I mean, we talked about this when we talked about the IQ test that they lowered in the Vietnam war and they started taking people that were mentally disabled and allowing them to be in the army.


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[Assistant] Something like 10% of the population has an IQ of less than 85.


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[Assistant] And then it's really hard to employ somebody that has an IQ of less than 85. Now they can be employed.


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[Assistant] So, when you're making the Lego movie, and you're exalting creativity,


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[Assistant] Yes, holding it up. This is the best way you want to be super creative. There's some people that don't, cause by the way, you can test people for intellect, but you can also test them for hand-eye coordination. You can test them for, you can test them for creativity. You can test them for problem solving. And so we're exalting this one type of thing.


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[Assistant] And some people might think that's the path they need to go down and yet they don't have that capability. You know, a good one is music, right? Some people can hear.


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[Assistant] Now you can train and get better, but some people can naturally hear a C note.


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[Assistant] They can naturally- I think Jamie Cochran can sing a C.


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[Assistant] Right, cause she, she went to college and she was a singer.


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[Assistant] And so she can sing a C. She can, you can say, you know, Jamie, give me C flat. And she'll be, uh, whatever, right? Hell yeaah. But there's, and there's a certain amount of natural capability.


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[Assistant] Capability. We talked about, now this I know we did talk about on the podcast, the tonal languages, right? So some people cannot.


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[Assistant] Your tone. Now listen, I guess if you grew up with a tonal language, you would be trained, so maybe it's something that you just didn't get and you can't figure it out.


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[Assistant] If they wanted, if I was a failure at picking up tone,


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[Assistant] And then they watched a movie and said, hey, everyone should join the military and the most elite thing you can do is go learn Vietnamese.


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[Assistant] Instead of looking at me and saying, hey, you might be good at this, but you might be good at that. You might be strong, you might be fast, you might be smart, you might be good at math.


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[Assistant] But when we exalt one thing, and you know what, I might be doing, being too harsh on the Lego movie, that was sort of the impression that I remember, was I was like, oh that's cool, they're trying to teach people, just don't follow what the package says.


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[Assistant] Just don't follow the directions every single time and create what everyone else created. Create something new. You know, there's a whole thing about the gluing of the pieces together.


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[Assistant] There's people that just, they wanna glue that thing together so it can never change. We made this thing, we just want this structure to stand. And other people are like, hey man, let's mix it up. They're exalting creativity. Again, there's nothing wrong with exalting creativity.


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[Assistant] But, if you're a person that lacks creativity, and now you're forcing yourself to try and become a creative person, when what you should be, you know, let's take engineer versus artist.


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[Assistant] Right? There's some people that are going to be a better artist. There's some people that are going to be a better engineer.


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[Assistant] If all we do is exalt artists, the people that should be going to become an engineer might not get there.


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[Assistant] We're about to go down. It's about to go down. Here's the thing. I think lately,


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[Assistant] We've been exalting creativity so much that people


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[Assistant] Are, are just trying to be different for the sake of being different. And what the reason I can bring this up right now is because as we read through the I Ching, you're going to say, you're going to see that a lot of what they're saying is like, be normal.


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[Assistant] And when I, when I was in college, I had to take


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[Assistant] Classes about religion, and you get that vibe from


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[Assistant] Buddhism, which is like, hey, don't stand out, you know, fit in like you just want. And that's why when you go to a, you know, when I was in Thailand and we'd see the Buddhist monks, guess what? All the Buddhist monks dressed the same. They all have shaved head. They all wear the same outfit. They all eat the same. They walk. They, they, like, that's part of the gig. That's part of the thing.


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[Assistant] Is, hey, I'm not trying to stand out, I'm not trying to be a big individual, but there was this woman that was a monk at my college, and if she was obeying Buddhism,


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[Assistant] Guess what she would have done? In my opinion, in my judgmental opinion, which I certainly can be extremely judgmental, I would look at her, she'd be walking around, she had a shaved head and she was walking around in the Buddhist outfit, right?


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[Assistant] You know, she was from Canada or something like this. And I was thinking, oh, if she was really on board, then wouldn't you just want to like quote unquote fit in with everybody else?


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[Assistant] Maybe. Look, I'm not a Buddhist, I don't know. But I definitely got that, that thought in my mind. Now, there might be some part of Buddhism that I don't know, which is, hey, you need to represent so other people can see it. I don't know. Maybe, right? There's some religions that you gotta dress a certain way.


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[Assistant] Because you wanted other people to see that you are


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[Assistant] Okay, well they made a, they made a documentary about it. Wild, wild country. Did you see it? No. Well I was very interested in it because when I was growing up, one of my friends, parents,


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[Assistant] And that was part of the... Is it okay to call that a cult right now? Think it might be.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Okay, so they were, that was part of the cult, was like you gotta dress that way so other people can see that you represent the cult.


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[Assistant] Then people that wanna kinda conform are now feeling like in order to be successful in life, their main goal should be to be different than everybody else. And it becomes a focus of life to be different.


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[Assistant] When maybe you should focus on getting better, maybe you should focus on creating, maybe you should focus on participating, maybe you should focus on being a productive member of society. Because if you could be, like, like, if you, for instance, someone that has a less creative mind, and they could be a really incredible


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[Assistant] Construction worker. They could be really incredible in a factory. They could be really incredible.


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[Assistant] Uh, doing any, being an engineer, being a doctor, right? Does a doctor require creativity? No, they're a, they're a mechanic for your body. So, there's all these jobs that don't require this.


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[Assistant] For you to be different and quote, think different.


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[Assistant] And yet we're exulting those things to the point where someone, instead of saying, oh yea, you know what, this looks like a good job, this looks like something I could be good at, I actually enjoy doing that kind of thing, I'll just go do that. Instead we're saying, no, you gotta do something special, you gotta do something different. And I'm just saying, in my opinion, that's a problem.


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[Assistant] Instead of, and where you get to your point, if you've got someone that has different thoughts and wants to be different and is naturally different, when we're trying to force them into conformity, each one of those two


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[Assistant] Ways is equally wrong. Trying to take someone that is just, should be normal.


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[Assistant] And trying to get, force them to be different is just as bad as taking someone that's different and trying to force them to be normal. Yes. And I think right now we're on the pendulum side of everyone lets, you know, you're different, be different, don't conform.


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[Assistant] And again, we're gonna get into this, this, and that's why I'm like, cleared hot talking this topic. There's a lot of it, you know, like, eh, I, like, you're talking about what you wear.


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[Assistant] Or what I wear, what a human being wears. For me, I don't want to wear something


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[Assistant] That, that people would notice. You know what I mean? Like I, I don't like to, I don't, someone gave me a, you know, a purple and pink, uh, tie to wear. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I don't want to wear that. I don't want anyone to say, oh, that's a weird tie or that's a nice tie or that. I don't want them to even notice that I'm wearing a tie. Like what's the normal color tie to wear? It's a, you know, it's a black and red tie with the wool stripes on it. That's the normal, that's the normal thing.


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[Assistant] Right? I'm not wearing, uh, flashy sunglasses. I wear the normal sunglasses.


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[Assistant] And, and when I see somebody that's wearing stuff that is specifically made for attention, I'm always like, okay, you know, it's a little bit of a, little bit of a thing.


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[Assistant] Right? So I could even say that if you're a Buddhist monk and you're in a university setting where everyone is wearing, you know, the professors are wearing whatever.


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[Assistant] Let's face it, there's a uniform for a college professor. It's pretty wide range, but there is a uniform, right? You're wearing pants or if you're a female, maybe you're not wearing pants, but you're wearing a whatever a skirt type thing or a dress. You know what I mean? There's a, there's a, there's a window that you're going to fit in and wearing a


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[Assistant] Buddhist monk outfit isn't in that window. So if you're wearing it, you're definitely going to draw attention. And if,


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[Assistant] You're drawing attention, well that might not be representative of trying to conform and fit in. So there you go.


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[Assistant] But to tell everyone in that group, that putting the glue on the Legos and building things that are gonna be stable and structured is bad, that's not right. That's not right.


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[Assistant] So let's not get crazy with it. Let's not take anything to an extreme. Let's be balanced.


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[Assistant] Instead of being like, oh, I want my kid to, to do what is natural for them. Some people naturally will be better as an engineer than an artist.


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[Assistant] And don't try and force people to do something that they're not. And don't say, well can't you just be more creative, child? Why are you trying to follow the rules all the time? You know, like that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] You know you're looking at one perspective because there's definitely parents out there that you know are pushing their kids to be different.


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[Assistant] There's no, especially right now. Right now there's definitely parents that are pushing their kids to be, their primary goal is to make them different. And that's not good. You gotta let your kids, let your kids be who your kids are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so when I was, especially when I got into the military, so like we're talking 90s, you'd meet some guy, his name would be like, whatever, freaking Haiku. Sure. And you'd be like, oh, your parents hippies? Yup. Like you'd know that their parents are hippies. Like, I'm one of those people. Yeah, you're one of those people. So, yeah, your name is Haiku.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's people, so my point is that the parents wanted the kid to be different, free-spirited, but the kid's like, dude, I'm joining the freaking army. You know what I'm saying? Get me away from these freaking weirdos.


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[Assistant] Next one. The need for unity and collective awareness of the goal. So that one right there, this is just good leadership advice. Make sure everyone understands and is unified towards a collective goal. Everyone needs to know what we're doing and be on board. And the next one says do not procrastinate.


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[Assistant] So if you shook that magic 8 ball every day and it said do not procrastinate, that'd be good advice.


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[Assistant] And then join with others and return to the plan. Okay, that means focus on the mission.


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[Assistant] Next, restraint brings progress and satisfaction. I've heard people say that discipline equals freedom.


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[Assistant] Restraint brings progress and satisfaction. Yes, discipline equals freedom.


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[Assistant] I can't make minor, conceal all actions? Maybe that's a little bit sketch.


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[Assistant] Like, oh, I'm not really sure what's gonna happen with this next project we're doing. Oh! We should work together. Harmony.


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[Assistant] And I would trap them with that too. So, so all these things are made for everybody. It's kinda like who's gonna win the war. Right. Or no, what will happen if I invade this country? Oh, a great nation will fall. Okay, great, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, you end up falling and you think, what was wrong with the oracle? The oracle was right.


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[Assistant] War causes the fall of a nation. Just don't know which one.


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[Assistant] It's gonna land. That's the thing that you don't know. It's gonna land. If you, if you come to me with your problem and I say be disciplined, that's gonna land.


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[Assistant] It's gonna solve your financial problems, it's gonna solve your health problems, it's gonna solve your relationship, everything, I solved that problem. But because you came, even when you read about how to throw the coins or draw the sticks for this,


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[Assistant] Good advice, right? I give that people, people with that leadership advice all the time. It's called listening. Listen to other people. Listen to your subordinates.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person remains reserved to avoid misfortune. Yes. Don't make yourself stand out.


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[Assistant] Don't wear your freaking pink and orange jacket.


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[Assistant] Reorganize the dependence of all upon their fellows.


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[Assistant] Say that again. Reorganize the dependence of all upon their fellows. What does that mean? Everyone's gotta work together. Cover and move.


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[Assistant] The wise person seeks collective flow to gain advantage. Yes, we cover and move for each other. Work together. Resist evil. Exalt good.


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[Assistant] Proper leadership brings great progress. This is, but hey, if you gotta shake your eight ball every day, you know, you got a drug problem, you're addicted to alcohol, you have


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[Assistant] Opportunities to do things that are nefarious. And it says, resist evil, exalt good. Hmm, guess what? Good advice. These are all, this is all good advice. This is all good advice. Uh, ahem.


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[Assistant] So, next, so from Harmony with supporters, does the wise person gain advantage? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, harmony with the people, with your supporters. For sure, that's gonna help you.


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[Assistant] Next one's about flexibility. The enlightened person adapts.


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[Assistant] Leads from, leads the way from darkness to comfort. So you gotta adapt.


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[Assistant] That's what they're saying. Cultivate action in others to bring about repair and great progress.


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[Assistant] It's like good advice. So the next, so the enlightened person willing to teach and learn from others.


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[Assistant] Progress comes through persistence. They're big on persistence. But yes, willing to teach, willing to learn. Yes, that's a positive thing. That makes sense. That's always gonna help you.


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[Assistant] Next, achieve progress through reform. Administer justice. Those are positive. Next, the wise person perceives and avoids disputes.


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[Assistant] Again, we could go down the, that doesn't mean we're fearing any, you know, confrontation and we're never gonna do it, but we're probably gonna, we should find a better way. We should find a better way, that's what we should be doing. That's what I recommend doing.


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[Assistant] Enlightened people stabilize their lives through generosity toward the needy.


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[Assistant] Beautiful. Help other people, especially people that need it.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person studies the past wisdom to develop his own character. Yes. I think we made an entire podcast about that.


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[Assistant] About studying the past wisdom to develop our own character. Yes.


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[Assistant] That's 100% what we should be doing. Support goals that are above question.


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[Assistant] But be cautious in expression and avoid the negative. Correct persistence brings one good force.


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[Assistant] And that's, you know, as, as I'm reading these, when it talks about persistence, in some of these predictions, it's telling you be persistent. Like there's some of them that don't have that, the ones that say correct person, so then you'd be encouraged.


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[Assistant] But there's very few of them that say do not pers- do not persist. There's very few of these that say that. Most of them are encouraging to keep going.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person withdraws from progress, withdraws from the world to progress toward an independent goal. Stress is imminent.


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[Assistant] What do I like about that? If you've got goals, you've got things you wanna get done, there's gonna be stress. Stress is imminent. Be ready for it. That's a good thing.


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[Assistant] When you, when someone tells you, you know, when you go set out to do something, I'm like, hey man, it's gonna be, it's gonna be hard.


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[Assistant] That steal, if I tell you psychologically this impact on you, if I say, oh yeaah, here's an example.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know, if you came up to me and said, hey Jocko, have you rolled with Fred yet, that new black belt from this academy?


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[Assistant] Have you rolled with him yet? I go, yeah man, he's, he's, he's not, he's not as good as you think and he's not very strong.


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[Assistant] You'd be like, oh, okay, cool. And then you wrestle with him or you train with him and he's like actually strong. Actually, regardless of how strong he is, he's gonna feel stronger cause your, your mindset was he was weak.


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[Assistant] If I told you, hey, this guy's a killer, he's freaking strong as hell, he's gonna feel weaker than you anticipated. In most cases. In most cases.


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[Assistant] Actually no, I was going to see Little Birds with Elgin James. Sure. Hell yea. It was going to, I was going to the preview. So it wasn't out yet.


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[Assistant] And I say, hey man, I was like, so what's the, what's the story with this?


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[Assistant] And he goes, oh, you know, he says there's two girls and they're living out in Island, California.


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[Assistant] And he's like, it was like me and you growing up. That's awesome. I go, so then what happens? He goes, well, then they go to, he goes, then they go to LA and.


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[Assistant] And shit goes sideways. And, and, you know, dude, I'm, I'm not even thinking about this, like, oh, what goes sideways?


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[Assistant] I'm like, what happens? This is as we're driving to see this. Like a seven minute drive.


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[Assistant] I go, so wha- I was like, oh, what goes sideways? And he goes, hm.


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[Assistant] I'll just let you see. And when you said that, I was kinda like...


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[Assistant] It's not gonna hit you the same way. Yeah. Boy, it hits you boy. Movies Little Birds by Elgin James. Uh, I think you can get it on, you know, the streaming platforms. I think you can get it on Apple.


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[Assistant] You, you definitely, you're not gonna feel comfortable or good.


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[Assistant] About things when you're done. No, you'll feel okay at the end of it, you'll be like, alright, we're gonna be okay. But in the middle, towards the end of it, you don't feel good about the world, you know? You're kinda not feeling good about the world. And I guess that's sort of the, the little uplift at the end.


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[Assistant] There's a little bit of an uplift at the end, you walk out of the theater, but you definitely, yeaah. So, Little Bird's LGT.


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[Assistant] I was thinking he was going to tell me, like, oh yea, this is what happens. Oh, you were mad he didn't tell you? I was kind of like, yea, it was almost, look, this is a guy that I grew up, you know, like, we've been together. Right. And I, we tell each other whatever, like every little detail. So, it was probably the first time in my life


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[Assistant] And I was slightly offended. No, no, nevermind. You kind of. No, I was like slightly offended. Like bro, are you serious right now? Like, you know.


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[Assistant] We know everything. Yeah. We would tell, I would, I would literally tell him everything. Yeah. For my whole life. And now all of a sudden he's like, well, you can wait and find out. I mean, it's just jacked up. It seemed jacked up at the time.


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[Assistant] Based on what, what your expectations are and you have to be very careful with your team when you do that. When you tell someone on your team, oh, we're gonna dominate this presentation. Oh, I've worked with this client before. They don't ask any hard questions. Okay, cool.


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[Assistant] Now people don't prepare it. The first question's gonna be a doozy.


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[Assistant] The wise person learns confidence through danger. Remain calm in mind. Keep all actions virtuous. Again. Read that to yourself every morning.


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[Assistant] State champion wrestler from California, that's a black belt in jiu-jitsu. And you don't talk smack to him.


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[Assistant] No, you start by training with someone that's a little bit better than you and you start to gain confidence. Eventually you can train with people that haven't been trained as long as you and you get more confident. So yes, you have to, you have to push yourself beyond what you're capable of in order to gain competency and confidence.


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[Assistant] Keep all actions virtuous. Hey, amazing. Ancient wisdom or common sense? I don't care. Do it.


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[Assistant] Next, the enlightened person cultivates intelligence and gains progress through correct persistence. Align yourself with goals that bring enlightenment. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I had to put some question marks by that one because that is not a known true statement. Again, this is when you, when you read these now and you think of them as predictions as you are going to roll or flip the coins.


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[Assistant] And you're like, should I marry, you know, Jessica? And then it says, marriage brings good fortune. You're like, okay, I'm in.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, if you're asking that question in the first place, was that good or bad? See ya.


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[Assistant] That's what it leans toward. And that's a good way to lean in life.


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[Assistant] A good way to lean in life is keep going. Now listen, let's say you were the guy that made this thing up in order to make some money by doing predictions for people.


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[Assistant] You could probably say be persistent 8 times out of 10.


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[Assistant] And then two times out of ten you're like, maybe push the, pump the brakes a little bit.


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[Assistant] And what happens? Let's say you say, oh, I want to try a new business venture. I'm like, yup, be persistent.


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[Assistant] And it's not doing very well. And you're like, should I keep going? And I say, yup, be persistent.


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[Assistant] And you say, wait a second, it's really hurting me. Should I keep going? And by now you get one that says, hey, pump the brakes. You know what I'm saying? So it's best to be persistent for a while, and then if you keep having to ask that question, maybe it's time to pump the brakes.


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[Assistant] That's exactly what I wrote about in the book, Leadership Strategy and Tactics Field Manual.


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[Assistant] Like hey, sometimes you gotta back out. That's cool. So again, you, you came to me with your little business that you're trying and I kept telling you to persist and then finally I'm like, retreat is okay.


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[Assistant] 7 out of 10 times, you're good. Occasionally you gotta retreat. 8 out of 10 times, maybe you're good. Occasionally you gotta retreat.


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[Assistant] The wise person acts within convention and with persistence.


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[Assistant] Use influence wisely. Hey, this is what I'm getting back to, like act within.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of that undertone in the I Ching of like, conform. Act within convention.


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[Assistant] If I'm trying to give you advice that percentage-wise is gonna work out the best,


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[Assistant] Most of the time, I'm gonna say, hey, take the conventional route, right? You know what I'm saying? If you're like, hey, you know, Jocko, I don't know if I wanna be, uh, an engineer or a movie star.


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[Assistant] You know, and that's probably gonna be the best advice to give. There's a small chance you're gonna miss out on being a movie star, which I'm sure you'd buy a pretty good one. But most of the time, 7 out of 10, 8 out of 10, 9 out of 10 times, telling someone to do what's being done is a good move. Let's not try and reinvent the wheel. Next.


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[Assistant] So does the enlightened person reveal virtue? Conditions favorable for progress. Again, that's like telling you about your specific question that you're going through. Uhm, conceal goals, but do not abandon them.


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[Assistant] Trying conditions, but correct persi- correct persistence brings one to advantage. Yeah, yup. Hey man, keep going. Maybe conceal your goals a little bit, but keep going.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person acts in an orderly and substantial way. Faith and loyalty must be nurtured.


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[Assistant] Good advice, the enlightened person only acts in small matters, maintain individuality.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person examines and perfects his own behavior to gain strength.


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[Assistant] This is incredible advice if you shook the magic 8 ball or opened your fortune cookie.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person finds good fortune in quick action to restore normal conditions.


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[Assistant] Forgive others' faults. What incredible, strong advice. Forgive people when they mess something up. Forgive them for the faults that they may or may not have.


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[Assistant] And take action. Take action to get things fixed. And again, you see that little idea of returning to normal. Normal's a thing. I like normal.


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[Assistant] I'm not addicted to normal. I don't, I don't maintain normal for all situations, but normal is a really good baseline for life.


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[Assistant] It's weird to correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't normal, sort of, in, in, right today, 2023, sometimes taken as offensive? Sometimes, yea. If, if I say, oh this is normal, and then all of a sudden if you're not that, you have a problem.


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[Assistant] So if I was like, like that movie you're talking about, Tall, was it called Tall Girl? Hey, you're not normal. Right.


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[Assistant] Because you're tall, right? That could be offensive. But you could apply that to like, anything that is actually not normal. What is normal? Is there a percentage for normal? Hey, 80% of people, 80% of people are between, 80% of girls


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[Assistant] But whatever it is, that's actually, there's a, you could prove that that's what normal is. Right. But now if I say that's normal, just say, oh, well that's not. You like, like, let's say you took your kid to the, the doctor and they did the weight, or sorry, the height measurement.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess I've seen enough, like, triggered videos of, like,


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[Assistant] It's 87% of people are this way. And that means that is actually normal.


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[Assistant] Don't be mad. You can't get mad at that. Yeah. I think, I think people get mad at that. Yeah. You know what? I got mad at that, that they're not considered normal when it's just a, I'm sure there's some kind of a mathematical, right?


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[Assistant] You'd probably get, oh it's probably between 68, like if you asked a thousand people what percentage makes something normal, I think people would say 70 or 75 percent.


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[Assistant] The norm. But I'm saying that feeling that you're talking about, if you tried to isolate it or at least get a bracket around it, I bet that most people... Try to measure it. Yea, if you try to measure it, most people's feeling about what normal is would probably be around 75%.


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[Assistant] Right, but there's 20 variants. Let's say you could have 20 different eye colors. Yeah. And there's, and they're all 5%.


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[Assistant] The norm in that first town was you have different colored eyes. The norm in the second town is you have the same colored eyes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I'm saying. When you make a group of people, and they all have something, and 70% of them have some specific thing, that thing is normal.


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[Assistant] Yes, if you're, if you're not normal, then that means you're different and different


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[Assistant] Yes. Paper. So, so your point is, which I think this is your point, normal


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[Assistant] People think that means good and not normal means bad when I don't think that, I think.


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[Assistant] I think that there is such a thing as normal though, right? There is such a thing. Most girls, freshman year, are not making the varsity track team and they're not making the varsity, uh, whatever. So, so, that's what normal is. So if your daughter, when she gets to high school and she doesn't make varsity track, you can be like, that's okay, that's normal.


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[Assistant] So I'm just normal or if she does make it and you're like, whoa, you made it. That's not normal. Wait, I'm not normal. You see what I'm saying? People, people hype this word a little too much and I think there's a benefit to knowing and understand what normal is.


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[Assistant] And there's a benefit to sometimes saying, hey, I don't want to be normal. And there's a benefit to sometimes saying, I want to be normal.


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[Assistant] Right on. It's like a political party.


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[Assistant] I'm just a normal person. You got these extreme views over here. You other people got some extreme views over there. I'm not extreme on any of this shit. What's my political party? Normal.


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[Assistant] So I'm just a normal person. And actually, because I'm American, I'm a normal American.


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[Assistant] We could probably get with 80% accuracy what a normal American thinks politically. And then there'd be 20% of fringe elements yelling and screaming and going crazy. And the way we have it right now, there's no normal.


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[Assistant] There's only one, there's only either Democrat or Republican.


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[Assistant] There's an overlap for sure that they, that they could find a common ground on, but because of the areas that don't overlap, they just hate each other.


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[Assistant] But there's no political party for them to join. They can't vote normal. Like if normal doesn't get a vote.


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[Assistant] Right? You can't vote for someone, there's no normal person to vote for. If I was in a political party, I'd be the normal one. I'd be like, yup, I'm normal. I'm just average. Like I'm an average person. Hey, should we have no taxes?


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[Assistant] No, you gotta pay taxes to pay for infrastructure. We have extremely high taxes. No, I just want normal taxes. Yeaah, normal taxes.


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[Assistant] You know, that's how you, hey, should we dump all of our money into defense? No, but we need to have a good defense. Okay, cool. How much should we put into defense? Normal amount.


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[Assistant] There's no, there's no one for a normal American to vote for.


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[Assistant] That's what they're telling you to act normal. Act with moderation. Avoid anger. Develop confidence. Sacrifice brings good fortune. Freedom from error.


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[Assistant] Again, beautiful advice for any human in any situation. Act with moderation. Avoid anger. Develop confidence. If you sacrifice, you're going to get fortune.


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[Assistant] Next, an enlightened person sees the good action of his fellows.


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[Assistant] Imitate them and correct their mistakes to make progress toward a goal. Okay. You see someone doing good? You should do that thing too.


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[Assistant] You know, correcting their mistakes. If you're doing that for yourself, so if I'm watching Echo and I see how his life is going,


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[Assistant] And I can imitate those good things and I can correct whatever mistakes you're making. I can learn from it. That's all they're saying. Great advice.


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[Assistant] Imitate people that are doing good, and if they're doing something that's messed up, correct it when you do it yourself.


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[Assistant] Next, do not use force, but rely on fair judges. Know your goal, tell your supporters.


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[Assistant] The idea of, look, if I have to impose and force you to do this, there's something wrong.


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[Assistant] If I have to force you to do this, there is something wrong.


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[Assistant] So don't let that happen. Did you see that PBS, uh, clip? They had Dr. Fauci going through Baltimore. I think it was Baltimore.


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[Assistant] Anyways, and they're trying to convince people, did you see this viral video clip? And this guy's like, hey, if this vaccine was good, you wouldn't be trying to force me to do this right now. You wouldn't be trying to pay me to do this thing. I would just want to do it. He's like, there's something suspect about that. And Fauci's trying to convince.


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[Assistant] Which is how, if it's really hard for me to explain something to you,


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[Assistant] So listen, if I'm trying to get you to do something,


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[Assistant] And I can't, and you're presenting arguments to me, arguments to me, and I can't overcome them? Maybe my idea is wrong. Maybe my idea is wrong. So rethink it. And you can, you can see when this happens. And you see it on that video.


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[Assistant] Because you got Fauci's trying to convince, trying to explain to him. And the person's like, well, doesn't this not actually prevent you from getting the disease? And he's like, well, it kinda does. Well, kinda? You know, sickers are one of these things. So, be careful for yourself.


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[Assistant] When it's really hard for you to explain something, some idea, some plan, if I'm like, okay, echo, here's what we're gonna do.


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[Assistant] And you ask me a question, and I have a hard time answering, or I can't answer it, and you ask me another question, I can't answer it, and you ask me another question, I'm like, hey, I wanna sell these widgets.


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[Assistant] And you say, well, how much do they cost to make? And I'm like, well, it's not important about the cost. And you're like, well, it kind of is because if you make a good, you know, price point on them and then we can't sell them to anybody and no one will buy them, then we make something we can't sell. Don't you think that's wrong? And I'm like, no, no, but they're really cool. Yeah. Like.


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[Assistant] Be careful when your explanation effort meter is in the red. Shouldn't be that hard to explain. Uh, this is what happens with public transportation.


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[Assistant] But it's not good. So as much as they try and convince you, it's not effective because it's not good. Whereas in London, it's easier to get into town if you take the tube.


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[Assistant] In New York City, it's easier to get around, cause, cause the subway. Cause there's no traffic on the subway. So, if something is good, you just voluntarily do it.


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[Assistant] That's where new methodology should happen. Oh, this, this way that I'm trying to get you to do something is better. Let me show it to you. Now listen, if I'm trying to get you to use a new process in our company, there might be a time where you're less efficient at this new process. Like, hey, you've been using some video editor and I say, hey, I go, there's a new video editor out and it's way better.


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[Assistant] But if efficiency doesn't get back up, there's something wrong with me.


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[Assistant] If I can't show you this new video editor where you're like, oh yeah, that's a really easier way to do that. And oh yeah, that's much more effective. And then you go, okay, give it to me. I want to do it.


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[Assistant] But if I'm like, hey no, this, here all you have to do is click these 47 buttons and you can copy the video thing and you're like, well I can do it with one click on the other thing. Yeah, but you know the- See, I'm trying to explain something. It's real hard.


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[Assistant] So just be careful, pay attention to your explanation, effort meter.


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[Assistant] A ruler issues commands that become well known. Do not create a relationship with powerful persons or ideas. Exert discipline.


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[Assistant] It's always good to exert discipline. I was kind of wondering about the, do not create a relationship with powerful persons or ideas. And I think what I took away from that is don't be married to your ideas. Right? Don't just be like, no, this is my idea.


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[Assistant] Don't fall in love with your own plan. And be careful about when your boss has a plan.


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[Assistant] You know, you don't want to be a yes man. Good advice. Unite with others, make sacrifices and act with correct persistence to achieve a goal.


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[Assistant] Act with sincerity, avoid suspicion, and join with a wise leader. Wisdom or common sense, you be the judge. I think it's both.


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[Assistant] Gradual change nourished by the receptive earth produces a path to virtue. The enlightened person persists in small matters to gain a fortune.


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[Assistant] Yep, little steps. That's what we're doing. We're doing little steps. The enlightened person gains progress through courage. Adversity needs risks to achieve fortune. Speaking alone is ineffective. Is unaffective. But those are great.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person gains progress through courage. You gotta take some risks to achieve fortune. Good advice.


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[Assistant] Truth is never exhausted yet never the same. The enlightened person gains insight into truth and assists others to achieve it. If the truth is not heeded, bad fortune follows. What I like about that is


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[Assistant] The enlightened person appreciates past experience and present opportunity. Confidence and progress is...


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[Assistant] Appreciate past experience and present opportunity. Yep. I'm happy where I've been. Hey, be thankful that you went through some struggle and look for opportunities right now.


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[Assistant] The wise person aligns himself with established order. It's going back to it. Hey, be normal. Just be normal. It's a good place to start.


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[Assistant] It's a good place to start. The enlightened person seeks to improve himself and take advantage of the unpredictable. Great advice. Oh, there's a lot of mayhem going on? Cool. Take advantage of it. The enlightened person turns his back upon the larger situation and loses self-awareness.


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[Assistant] If you, this is the opposite of some of these things that say, talk about the small goal. This is saying if you turn your back on the larger situation, you're going to lose self-awareness. You're going to be, it's not going to go good. You have to pay attention to the larger situation, the strategic vision.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person improves life through good conduct and correct resistance. Boom.


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[Assistant] So it's, yes, we want you to follow these things. Intelligence combined with activity.


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[Assistant] This is the zenith of achievement. The enlightened person trusts his own judgment and makes progress. Do not fear decline, but shine like the sun. There's gonna be setbacks everybody. It's okay, shine like the sun.


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[Assistant] The wise person is clear minded and not detained by disputes. Isn't it nice to just move on?


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[Assistant] Some little issue, some little spat, maybe it's even a big issue, maybe it's a big disagreement. Cool, move on. The enlightened person acts gradually towards small goals. Consistent theme in here.


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[Assistant] Rulers meet with their subordinates. Great leadership advice.


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[Assistant] Advantage in cooperation, correct persistence and the company of fellows. Yep, join a team and hang out with your team. Meet with your subordinates.


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[Assistant] The wise person develops sound restraints and decides proper conduct.


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[Assistant] Extreme limitation though is no virtue. So this is getting discipline equals freedom and dichotomy into one little sentence, right? Develop some sound restraints and you'll figure out what, what direction to go into.


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[Assistant] You'll, you'll, you'll know the proper conduct when you have the right restraints. When you have discipline, it's gonna point you in the right direction.


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[Assistant] But extreme limitation, if you go overboard with something, it's not going to be good. It's no virtue.


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[Assistant] From a distance, the wise person gains understanding.


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[Assistant] Oh, detach everybody. From a distance, the wise person gains understanding. Yes, please detach. Take a step back. Get some altitude. Get some perspective.


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[Assistant] Open your mind, free your mind. As the mountain


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[Assistant] Occasionally I'm reading the thunder above, mountain below. Attention to detail. As the mountain remains tranquil in activity, so the wise person conducts himself with dignity and control. Don't be an emotional idiot. Be remorseful in losses.


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[Assistant] It's definitely humble. They're not, they're not trying to, yeaah. It's definitely humble, but you could be, let's say I was like, hey Echo, uh,


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[Assistant] You want to go to Vegas with me? And you're like, yeah, I know it's okay, I'm flying up there on my jet tomorrow, so just meet me up there when you can. With your jet.


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[Assistant] So you're like both things that you said are correct. Yeah down to earth means like oh easy to understand Humble not talking about like well, you know, the thing is when you get a private jet You got to really focus. You know what I mean? Like that's just That's not very down to earth


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[Assistant] Totally. That's down to earth. It's a very positive thing. Alright, we got two more of these hexagrams to cover.


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[Assistant] The enlightened person defends against forthcoming adversity. Great, great idea. Mike Glover approves.


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[Assistant] Progress only in small matters, confusion is eminent. Okay, so there's gonna be some confusion out there.


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[Assistant] And last one, the wise person attends his position and progress carefully.


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[Assistant] And it's interesting that psychologically, even if we flip a coin, and it tells us to do the right thing, that kind of pushes us in the right direction, to take action, right? To, to trust, like all these things, like that little flip of the coin.


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[Assistant] Or in this case, the drawing of the yarrow sticks or the drawing of these, uh,


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[Assistant] This divination form will push you in the right direction. My advice would be


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[Assistant] Sure, but the- Think about it, you're actually gonna be a better human being, you're gonna live longer, you're gonna be healthier. Everything in your world's gonna be better, you don't do it, there's a lack of discipline, laziness, it's a horrible thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, and. Hey, occasionally there's someone out there that like doesn't have time. They got three kids, they're a single mom, they're working two and a half jobs. Like, I get it, they're not working out. I get it.


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[Assistant] There's times where you, look, distraction would mean, oh man, I forgot to work out. Like, oh, I was watching Instagram. Oh, I fell into like nine YouTube movies and now I didn't work out.


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[Assistant] That can happen, allegedly, right? It can happen. You can let the window close, but let's face it, when you're letting the window close, and if you're not


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[Assistant] Don't remember what I'm talking about. We used to talk about the jujitsu windows closing like, hey, you know, classes at four 30 and you're trying to wrap something up. And if you don't get it done by four.


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[Assistant] There's no, there's, maybe you once in a while, you, you get distracted, where you go, oh dang, it's already freakin' 6.45 in the morning.


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[Assistant] And I had to jump on for an email and then I started watching a YouTube video and then I went down the rabbit hole and I got literally distracted where I didn't. But I actually can tell you this, I have never in my life gotten distracted and missed a workout.


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[Assistant] So I might have chosen and said like bro, you know, it's leg day and I'm gonna watch more YouTube videos right now. We're gonna put this thing off.


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[Assistant] But it didn't happen in a subcon- distraction to me is a subconscious thing where it's like, oh, I got distracted. Oh, I was driving and texting. That's distracted, I hit a freaking tree.


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[Assistant] What made sense is when you said you can allow yourself to be, you can choose to be distracted instead of choosing to do what you should be doing.


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[Assistant] See, that's what I think. You choose to get distracted. Like you can easily choose to sit down and watch some YouTube videos or flip through your Instagram, right?


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[Assistant] Totally. Well the Yi Chang says,


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[Assistant] Alright, well, we want to stay on the path. We don't want to get distracted. Let's make sure we're fueling the path correctly. Get yourself some Jocko Fuel, JockoFuel.com. Get yourself some of these energy drinks, which are for a godsend. I hear there's like, uh, looks like the Nobel prize is going to be awarded to the team at Jocko Fuel for making these.


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[Assistant] They weren't 100% sure until they made their ready to drink mulk and now it's just they, they realized that the recognition is deserved. So get yourself some Jocko Fuel energy drinks that have no downside. No downside.


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[Assistant] That's what the other guys do. They sacrifice future energy for current energy. We will give you current energy and you'll still have the future energy. No crash.


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[Assistant] Neutropics. 95 milligrams of caffeine sweetened with monk fruit. Tastes freaking delicious. There you go. Get some of that. Get yourself some MOLK. Get on the MOLK train.


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[Assistant] You know, you wanna talk about getting distracted. When it comes to like,


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[Assistant] For me, the effort meter for food prep.


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[Assistant] You know, fire up the grill at two o'clock. I'll start marinating food tonight. He's gonna be on that grill for two hours. He's putting effort into it. I'm not doing that. It's not me. It's not my thing. John Dudley? This dude will have a plan.


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[Assistant] Three, four, five days in advance. We, you know, he's turning on the Traeger at, you know,


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[Assistant] So, I have a very high bar as far as the effort that I'm gonna put into to prep food.


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[Assistant] RTD Mulk is a complete game changer. It's the healthiest thing you can just rock and roll in it right now. And just get stronger.


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[Assistant] While having dessert. It's true. JockoFueled.com. Also you can go to Wawa.


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[Assistant] Go to Vitamin Shop, go to the Military Commerce, it's Hannaford, Dash Stores in Maryland, Wake Fern, ShopRite.


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[Assistant] H-E-B in Tejas, Meyer, those are the big retailers. Hey, thanks for going into H-E-B, thanks for going into Meyer. We're dominating in there. Dominating in the vitamin shop as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, originusa.com also you're gonna need some jiu-jitsu in your life, right? Cause jiu-jitsu is one of that magic 8 ball solutions to problems is train jiu-jitsu. We encourage it. We also make jeans. We make hunt gear. And we make it all in America which is a big deal. It's a big deal. Cause there is


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[Assistant] Ecological disasters going on in the world. And there's slavery, modern day slavery. That's happening right now. In a sweatshop. In China.


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[Assistant] And you can go support that. You can go support enslaving another human being.


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[Assistant] Or you can go to originusa.com and you can get some American made, the highest of quality gear.


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[Assistant] Right? To me it's sort of like wearing a, you know, being a Buddhist monk at a university and dressing like that.


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[Assistant] I don't think you should, I'm not going to hold it against you. It's probably the one kind of outside the box uniform that if I saw you wearing I'd be like, you know what, we'll go with it. You want to wear that gi, probably wear a black gi would be less obvious than a white gi. You know as far as going to work in, depending on where you work.


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[Assistant] I guess if you worked in a hospital, you could wear the white key and that might look pretty dope.


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[Assistant] In some kind of a financial industry, I'd probably wear just a black gi. You know, just a little bit more subdued.


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[Assistant] That's my, that's my thing. If you wear your gi to work, tag me in a picture. I wanna see it. I wanna see what, you know, I just wanna see kind of maybe in a little video. Jujitsu instructor as a job does not count. Jujitsu instructor as a job does not count. You gotta have a, some kind of normal job.


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[Assistant] Let's face it, Jujitsu instructors, is that a normal job? Nope. Nope. There's no, there's no box. Right. Like when you go to a survey.


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[Assistant] It doesn't say jujitsu instructor. There's no box that says, you know, it says, are you in service industry? Are you in the financial industry? Then there's no box on there that says, are you in the jujitsu instructor industry? It's not normal. It's not a normal job. Yeah, they would have to kind of


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[Assistant] Cool. Subscribe to the podcast, subscribe to Jocko Underground, go subscribe to the YouTube channels, get psychological warfare, go to flipsidecanvas.com, get some cool stuff to hang on your wall from Dakota Meyer, get one of the books that I've written or published, go to extremeownership.com and learn how to lead.


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[Assistant] This is not something you learn in a day. It's something you gotta follow up with. That's why we made that online training academy. Go check that out. And that is of course through Echelon Front, which is our leadership consultancy.


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[Assistant] Just got back from Gettysburg, the hallowed ground to Gettysburg. The thing was sold out. That's the thing you gotta watch out for. The stuff that we do is sold out.


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[Assistant] And so if you want to come to one of our live events, you have to register early in order to go. So go to go to echelonfront.com, check out our live events or check out if you need


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[Assistant] Leadership consultant, consulting, consulting in your team. You gotta go there as well. And we will take care of you. And if you want to help service members active and retired, you want to help their families, you want to help Gold Star families, check out Mark Lee's mom, Mama Lee. She's got a charity organization that is doing an incredible job.


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[Assistant] Helping our warriors and their families if you want to donate or you want to get involved go to americasmightywarriors.org and also don't forget about Mike Afink


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[Assistant] Who apparently right now is skinning a mountain lion with his bare hands that he killed with a, with a tree branch while he was horseback.


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[Assistant] And if you, and he's doing, he's showing, he's showing veterans and first responders, I think he's got first responders in there now too, he's showing them how to find themselves by losing themselves out in the wilderness.


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[Assistant] Horses and heroes, sorry, heroesandhorses.org. Go check that out. If you want to connect with us, echo Charles.


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[Assistant] At Echo Charles, Jocko Willink. At Jocko Willink. But be careful, cause it's a distraction platform. It's meant to take your eyes off the prize. Don't let that aggro rhythm grab a hold of you. And thanks to our military men and women in uniform that are out there.


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[Assistant] Around the world, sacrificing their freedom to protect ours. Thank you for what you do. And the same goes to our police, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, and all first responders. You all.


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[Assistant] Also, make sacrifices every day to keep us and our family safe and we thank you for what you do and everyone else out there.


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[Assistant] You know what the ancient wisdom says. You know what the common sense thing is. And you don't need a coin toss or a palm reading or a tarot card to tell you what to do. You already know. And that is to get up and go get after it. And until next time, Zeko and Jaco.


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[Assistant] So my mom never really drank at all, but then my dad was like the super social dude. So he would like.


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[Assistant] He'd like, after work, he'd always bring us with him. And, you know, for, for the most part. Yea, like after work, he'd go to these beach parties with his friends. And they weren't huge parties, they were just hanging out with their friends basically. And yea, he'd drink and stuff. And you figure, how old is your dad at this point? Uh.


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[Assistant] You know, we grew up in Kauai, so it's like, that's just how, so it's not like, it wasn't a big deal. You know, kids running around, and we weren't the only kids, so, you know, at the pavilion, you know, by the beach or whatever. So, and my dad was the kind where like, uhm,


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[Assistant] You couldn't tell. Like I, and then again, I was a kid, so I don't know, but he would not act different. And maybe if there was something different, I didn't notice any kind of pattern, you know, kind of a thing. And then what would help, and I'm thinking back, I remember this, he would be like, oh dad, have you ever been drunk before? And he was like, no, I don't get drunk. He would say that, even though he does get drunk.


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[Assistant] But he would say that, you know, I don't know if that was a tactic or what. But yea, it was like full on.


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[Assistant] Know that, that's what my dad would say, you know, sometimes we're, like if someone's showing out or something like that, uhm, they're like, yea, they're just drunk or whatever, kind of a thing. And I was like, okay, well, you know, alcohol can do all this stuff, but for some reason, either my dad doesn't drink a lot, or, you know, it just doesn't affect him. So it was like that.


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[Assistant] And then, but every once in a while, like I'd find, find like a 40 ounce in his truck, half, half gone, you know, like that kind. But I didn't notice any, any of the effects though, nothing like that. My mom would mention it, like, oh dad's drinking or whatever, but I wouldn't see it, so I didn't know what she was talking about, like whatever. So that was kinda it, really.


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[Assistant] No, like not when we were a kid. Actually me and my brother Jade, we didn't drink. And it was like kind of, you know, we played sports and stuff like that. But even through high school, when everyone else started kind of drinking and partying, we were like, kind of like, it was like a,


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[Assistant] Like a badge of honor kind of a thing where it's like yea, we don't drink or do drugs, nothing like that. In fact, we had this newspaper article when we went to college and they were like, you know, interviewing us or whatever.


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[Assistant] They were like, oh yea, what would you want to like, what message would you send off to people about yourself that you'd kind of, you know, want, want people to know or whatever. We're like, oh, that we don't drink or do drugs and never will. That's what it said in the newspaper. Damn, look at you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because we don't have NFL in Hawaii, or we don't have a pro team in Hawaii, so UH is kind of the top in the state, you know? And we're kind of isolated, so. Yeah, it's a little, I think it's a little bit more heightened, I think, like,


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[Assistant] Something- I mean other- sometimes I like that as well, but yeah, fo- for sure. I would say being a football player in Hawaii, like especially when you go to UH, it's like a thing.


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[Assistant] I think so. Just be like, no I don't drink. I think if you have, and now that I'm thinking about this clearly as an adult,


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[Assistant] If you have something else going on that's like, noticeably, at least a little bit successful, and then you say, I don't drink, it kinda, you know, people kinda put two and two together, like, okay, like, that makes sense, you know, kind of a thing. And we were always into sports and like working out and stuff, and we weren't the only ones, but,


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[Assistant] That was, it seemed like that was kind of a thing, like we were obviously on like this path, you know? And then, so we were like, yeah we don't drink, so I don't remember any of our friends, and I had some peer pressuring friends too, by the way. Jeremy Treskin? Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Nope, so it was like, that didn't move me either way. College and freedom now and all that stuff. So we actually, there's, at UH there's like this dorm, I think it's called Ilima. And it's like, there's no drinking allowed. It's a non, like, drinking, no drugs, dorm. Ilima. That's what it's called, Ilima. So.


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[Assistant] Even if you have a beer, like a closed beer, or if you went shopping and you had a beer that you're gonna give to your friend or something and it was in the dorm, you would get busted for it. I think you'd get like kicked out of the dorm. So it was like that. Whereas it was like a non-drinking dorm. And we stayed there for, I wanna say like, I don't know, two semesters or two years.


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[Assistant] I think, you know, I think the curiosity kind of gets the better of you overall, where


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[Assistant] You know, you're around people and, you know, parties and stuff like that and everyone's like having so much fun and still getting good grades and we're playing football and stuff like that and a lot of people, pretty much everyone, pretty much, there's a handful of people who didn't drink or do drugs but,


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[Assistant] Pretty much everyone else drank too, on the team. And they're still doing great in football and all this stuff. So the idea of drinking being this big detriment in your life.


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[Assistant] More normalized and it started to kinda shed some light on the idea how true or not true it is. It shed some light on the idea that


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[Assistant] I think this whole being a non-drinker thing was more just like a cool thing to say and do for the, like the novelty, you know, because ultimately it's just not even a deal. It's not a big deal at all. And then, so you kind of mix all that stuff together and then, you know, curious.


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[Assistant] Like, dynamic as far as like what's, what drinking is kinda centered around. So like military has this just general feeling of hardcoreness to it. Where like, you know, you're dealing with guns and real bullets and like all this real, real stuff. Kinda on the hardcore part of the spectrum. And then uhm,


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[Assistant] And then it's like the stress reliever, I guess you could say, and like just, and if you're gonna do something, like it better be kinda hardcore, better be kinda badass. Right? In college it's not like that, it's more about like the fun and the party and the freakin', you know, the freedom and the kinda, we're wild, yes, but not like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, drinking beers or whatever. But that was different though. That's different. That's just more like you're just cruising drinking beers. Not getting hammered and whoo, partying and pounding shot. We're not partying.


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[Assistant] No, not really, yeaah, kind of. I mean, no harder than anyone else. I just thought it was really fun. You know, like the first time I ever drank, I was like, bro, I have no idea how people can sustain this because beer tastes like really bad. If you, if you never drank and then try to drink a beer, even like a super light one without like that much beer taste, you're like, bro.


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[Assistant] The taste itself is jamming you up, you know, the more you drink and then I remember thinking, man, I wish beer tasted like Mountain Dew because getting hammered.


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[Assistant] Kinda was cool, but the taste is holding me back from the fun I could be having. Kind of a feeling, you know? And I remember I would always like chew gum or like whatever. But no, I wouldn't drink that hard, but when you don't drink...


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[Assistant] And you're new to drinking, it doesn't take a lot, you know? But it was, it was just more about the fun and stuff like that. A new found fun, you know?


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[Assistant] And we did dumb stuff for sure, and I did dumb stuff for sure.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, you sneak into, like, private property and, like, have the party there. I got in trouble for, um, inciting, like, what they said was kind of a riot, which wasn't a riot. That was an exaggeration. But it was basically a big party was going on. There was two parties going on in these high-rise dorms.


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[Assistant] So the, you know, everyone comes, shuts it down, and everyone has to all come, this is like hundreds of people, they all come down, and now they're in the courtyard on the bottom floor. And it's like no one wants to end the party, it's kind of early, you know? And no one wants to end the party, but they don't have anywhere to go, and you can't hang in the courtyard. But technically, as an individual, you can't, see how s-