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[Assistant] I know you're gonna say play the game, but, but do I really have to play these snake games just to get ahead in the world?


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[Assistant] I like the snake analogy. Hey, he started it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially passive aggressive, like that can be tough cause a lot of times it's way easier if I'm like, if I, if I launch a confrontation against you, it's way easier mentally to be like, okay, we're in a little battle right now. It's easy. But if I just do like one little dig and then kind of walk away or something like that, it's like, oh man, that can be way more like.


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[Assistant] Right, or the idea of I gotta battle through this. Okay, this is gonna be hard. Just, you know, mentally, whatever. I gotta battle through that. Oh, but guess what? You gotta do that for a long time. That one time that you think that was hard? Alright, well you gotta keep on doing that.


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[Assistant] If like you care about what they think, you know? Okay. And they're like, what's wrong with that? I guess nothing. There's nothing. But I guess maybe that's where my sensitivity to it is. I mean, co-workers, maybe I haven't had co-workers in a long time. Well, I guess you're a co-worker, but you're not passive aggressive. But nonetheless, I can see you're more aggressive.


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[Assistant] Maybe it would be in a situa- like maybe a co-worker situation would be the kind of situation that I'm like thinking about where people will be more sensitive than it's just-


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[Assistant] Yeah, passive aggressive is the kind where, uhm, like, you know, if I'm mad at you for something, and then I'm like, nope, all good, but meanwhile my body language is saying, yeah, it's like that kind of stuff. Is that even passive aggressive really? Yes, that is what passive aggressive is. It's like, it's like,


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[Assistant] I mean, co-workers are your peers, so, you know, it's natural to kinda care what they think, even if you don't like them. You know? It's just, I think it's just natural.


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[Assistant] What is the best case you've ever heard against extreme ownership? And what's your response? Or alternatively, are there situations where extreme ownership is the wrong answer?


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[Assistant] Okay, he's gonna propose two examples.


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[Assistant] Okay, extreme ownership focuses too much on achieving victory through focus on strategy and tactics, but not assessing whether war was worth fighting in the first place.


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[Assistant] Uh, for example, maybe prioritize and execute and cover and move and institute decentralized command to become the leading buggy whip manufacturer in the country.


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[Assistant] Right before Henry Ford releases the Model T. Or maybe you built the tightest, sharpest, most aggressive sales team in history, but the product they're selling is preying on the weakness of poor or ignorant.


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[Assistant] The time and focus commitments required to practice extreme ownership come at too high a cost to your family who didn't sign up for this, you know, didn't sign up for this mission.


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[Assistant] That kinda like, uh, one guys, they stop working out after they get married. Because, oh, I gotta focus on my family, my kids, you know, and they stop working out. But, oh, health down, you know. Health down, energy down. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so guys will like go to the gym or even the jujitsu mat, cause let's face it, there is a big element of social, you know, that social component in jujitsu academies and stuff. What do you mean? When you go to jujitsu, like you, there's a lot of hanging out.


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[Assistant] I like talking to other people. Yea, you're friends. You know what I'm saying. Of course. So, some people, they'll be like, hey, I'll go to jujitsu. Meanwhile, new baby, whatever.


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[Assistant] Hey, I'm going to jujitsu, but then they'll roll for the hour, hour and a half. And then three and a half, four hours later, they'll come home. I was doing jujitsu. Here's the benefits. He'll be like, yeah, you did the jujitsu for hour and a half. The other, however long you were cruising with your friends in the lounge drinking acai.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I hear that a lot when, you know, especially when I first got into reading. I, well, more so than I'd hear it, I'd kind of think about that. Where I could be like, hey, you know, if I come across a situation where I'm gonna apply some knowledge that I learned, and if I'm in a situation where I gotta


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go ahead and 100% agree with you. And I was gonna say, unless that book is about putting together your computer, then you just follow the book.


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[Assistant] When you really think about it, still, it still holds up. You should understand the computer and how it works. Yeaah. I'm not gonna get into that game. Anyway. Alright. Let's go one more. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, yeaah, we'll go over a couple ways. Uh, the... supplements.


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[Assistant] That's more supporting yourself. Ultimately. Cause you do get 10% off and you get good supplements. Which is rare, mind you. But anyway, Onnit is a company. It's Onnit.com slash Jaco. That's how you get 10% off.


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[Assistant] Alpha brain for your brain. Shroom tech for your performance. Body performance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, bro, we get, uhm, I was in, we were, my friends came over from Arizona this past weekend, and, uh, I worked out of whatever, they were still cooking, so I busted out a warrior bar, and we were cruising, and all the kids too, two years, three years old, uh, six years old, and then they ate my warrior bars. Kids, and there's a little bit of spice to it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but in the spirit of accuracy, they had been getting after it big time, even before that. But uhm, anyway, the point there is that they do taste good, even three-year-olds.


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[Assistant] Don't mind a little spice, that's how good they taste. Not to say that you're a three year old if you eat them, though. They're good for you. They're warrior bars. Yeah. Buffalo meat. Gluten.


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[Assistant] Nope. Nope. They didn't call them formula. They didn't call them that. It's warrior bars. Yeah, no, they're good though.


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[Assistant] And you mentioned us training. Thank you for that, by the way. Bringing that up again. I was gonna take some shroom tech, just to be like today's the day. And I didn't.


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[Assistant] No, probably. Nonetheless, uh, yeaah, so it could be attributed to one of those two things. I didn't take shroom tech.


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[Assistant] And I didn't have my rash card, so one of those is then, I think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, what's the saying, uhm, a really good craftsman blames his tools? Yeah, I think that's the actual saying. Anyway, back to the shroom tech.


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[Assistant] That's a good one for performance. Uh, health, brain, good too. Anyway, ony.com slash joco, 10% off, support your wallet.


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[Assistant] Leviate it by 10%. Or give it a 10% break. Yeah.


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[Assistant] There you go. And it supports this podcast. You know, it's like a circle of support, like On It supports us, we like support On It, we think that.


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[Assistant] Technically, even if Onnit wasn't, like, we weren't sponsored by Onnit.


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[Assistant] I have ShroomTech, I've been taking ShroomTech before that, so it's kind of like, you know, anyway. Circle of support there. Uhm, another good way, Amazon, the Amazon click through, you go to the website, jocoblockhouse.com, click through the Amazon link, it's also in the store. Uhm, click through before you do your holiday shopping, or any shopping.


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[Assistant] That's a really good way. The key there is to remember to do it and it doesn't cost you anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, that's a really good way to support, uhm, this podcast. It does a lot.


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[Assistant] Clicking through Amazon is, you know, when you watch Saving Private Ryan, you know, at the end, when the support comes, it saves everybody. Yeaah, it's not that big of a deal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know. Speaking of which, speaking of Sarah, Armstrong. Yes.


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[Assistant] I didn't announce that before. People have been, you know, in the game and, and kind of seeing them and, but yeah, okay, the girl, the girl's shirts are in their v-neck, their shirts for the women.


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[Assistant] Four colors. Black. Approved. Gray. Approved. OD green. Approved. Pink.


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[Assistant] Anyway, they're good man, I think they came out good, uh, we got some good reviews from, from Ali. Ali by the way, Ali and Cassie, a lot of times when they send the uhm, you know the packages, they send the packages.


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[Assistant] Yup, and they get after it, like they, like Ali will be, uh.


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[Assistant] Like if someone's from, I forget where, but it was like, Dale King was one of them, where she'll write like, go Cubs, or you know, like if you're in Chicago or something, she'll be like, go Cubs. And she'll write it on your phone.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like yeaah, cause she's like, you kinda feel like you know the person, you know? Cause really, when you think about it, it's like, oh shoot, I know how big they are, cause they're shirt size. I know where they live, you know, kinda thing. I mean, it's not like they're gonna stalk me like that, but I'm just saying they kinda, they're into it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it need be. Nonetheless, the only reason I bring it up, even they were like, dang, these are really good shirts.


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[Assistant] So anyway, if you go to jocostore.com, you can look at them and look at the girl's t-shirts and the other shirts on there. If you like them, get one. Support that way. Represent. Uhm, also hoodies, yes, of course, hoodies are out. Uhm. Chilly outside. Yea, it is.


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[Assistant] I gotta remember all the people who actually ask these specific questions, but he was like, how heavy is it? Is it?


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[Assistant] Uhm, well, it was, what was the brand? Car, Carhartt? Carhartt? Carhartt? Yeah. Is it like, I, I understand a Carhartt, that, that's gonna, you know, provide this and, you know, as far as warmth and heaviness.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Exactly, right? So that's a good example. So I'm like, you know, how is it comparatively? It's not that. It's not Arctic conditions. It's like, like, cocaine conditions.


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[Assistant] What condition? What's that? Monokia. How about that? It's monokia condition. What's that? Kokei is a mountain on kawaii, where you go up, it's like, it's, yea, it gets kinda cold. If you have any other references that no one understands, that's cool. Do it.


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[Assistant] Anyway, it's like, it's almost the heaviest as far as hoodies go. But anyway, they're good. Check those out. If you like them, go ahead and support that way. Grab one of those.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, there it is. Uhm, of course, subscribe. YouTube, I'm putting more videos. Currently, I'm putting more. I put one the other day, I'm putting one today. They're like little bite-sized bits, you know? Because sometimes you don't want to listen to the two hours, especially on YouTube.


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[Assistant] Exactly right. So you can, you know, you can look at them for like shorter time, like three to, I don't know, eight minutes or something. Or if you know, if you know someone who's like, Hey, you were asking me this question. Remember?


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[Assistant] You send them that advice. It's like shareable advice kind of thing. Anyway, that's what you're doing there. Yeah. So subscribe to YouTube. You can support that way and iTunes, of course. Oh, you got a problem.


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[Assistant] It's like when people are like, Hey, I'm trying to get over the situation at work. And then they say, Hey, read this book. I'm like, bro, I go to work tomorrow. Yeah. I need to know now. Yes, exactly. So it's kind of the same situation with those YouTube bite bite size videos, or you can just revisit the subject matter.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just to be on there, right? Yeah, a lot of times I'll think of it in terms of like,


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[Assistant] You know how when you put out the podcast every week, it's like, ooh, the new one's on, let me check it out. So a lot of times I just, I'm like dogmatic in that way where I just, I think just through habit, I think of it that way. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna bite that way. You just put one, can't let it marinate for a little while before you put it in. But yeah, I shouldn't think about it that way. It just needs to be on there.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 61 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] So, it's been a few episodes since we got into the Q&A. So, today we're gonna go right into questions that come, they actually come from the interwebs.


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[Assistant] People out there. So everyone that gives questions, appreciate it. Thank you for the questions. I can't answer them all. But, talking to some people out there.


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[Assistant] If you listen to the different questions you can figure out your own answers to a lot of them.


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[Assistant] You like learn the formulas, and then you can apply. But, thanks for the questions. I appreciate it.


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[Assistant] We do know that Jujitsu soothes the soul. Uh, so, well one of the things in me, and you've talked about this too, when I realized


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[Assistant] That losing your temper was a sign of weakness.


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[Assistant] As soon as I re- as soon as I made that connection, I said to myself, this is weak, I'm gonna try not to do it anymore. And what's weird is when you're a kid, I don't know if you remember this, but when I was a kid,


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[Assistant] And so, for a while, I saw it as like a power.


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[Assistant] That you can lose your temper and then all of a sudden you have this extra strength and so when you're a little kid...


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[Assistant] And then, like I said, as I got older, now you know, now you're talking 16, 15, 16, 17, I realized, hey, this isn't, this isn't cool, this isn't strength, it's actually weakness.


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[Assistant] And when I realized it was weakness, and I didn't realize that overnight.


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[Assistant] But, I started getting the idea, that that was weakness, and now,


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[Assistant] When you see someone that is in control, and even when bad things are happening, they're standing stoically saying, okay.


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[Assistant] Let me take another look at that and I'll get it done. You know what I mean? When they're just, okay, then you realize, okay, this guy is really unflappable, which is a lot more impressive. So.


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[Assistant] Again, you, you gotta be able to detach from this. And you know, I like to take pride in the fact that


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[Assistant] I'm gonna keep my cool no matter what happens. And definitely, once you're in the single teams, you definitely want to be that guy that's keeping you cool no matter what's happening. Whether it's, people are doing the wrong thing, or you just want to be the guy that's, hey, okay, come back over here, we need to redo this. You just want to be that guy.


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[Assistant] And I've talked about this before, what are the pre-event indicators that


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[Assistant] Do you start the heavy breathing? Do you flair your nostrils right? Cause that's an animal thing where you're gonna take in more oxygen so you open up the nostrils cause you're about to get after it. Do you, you know, use your, does your


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[Assistant] What indicators do you have when you know that you're starting to feel that? And as soon as you feel that,


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[Assistant] You, you detach. You go, oh, that's what that is, that's an indicator, and it's a weakness.


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[Assistant] And I don't like weakness, so I'm not going to allow it.


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[Assistant] You know, take a breath. I like to n- I say, you know what?


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[Assistant] Here's a good one. You wanna, you want to get through that, that moment?


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[Assistant] Nod your head slowly in the affirmative.


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[Assistant] Right? So, so when someone's telling me something that's making me mad, I'll just slowly nod my head. Like, I understand. This is the way things are. I accept this. And this is...


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[Assistant] And then, you know, you see, whatever, you know, guys will count to ten. You know, you tell your little kids that.


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[Assistant] Tell your little kids when they start losing their temper, you know, you need to count to ten. Count to ten! Count to a hundred, count to a thousand, whatever it is you gotta do. And get control, because, like I said, if you're losing control, it's not strength, it's weakness.


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[Assistant] Yeah. You realized it was low, or they said it was low self-esteem.


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[Assistant] Because if you act on your true feelings, by the way, the reason I'm saying that is if you act on your true feelings all the time, you won't get the long term place where you want to be. Your true feelings do not lead you to your true destination, right? They don't.


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[Assistant] Don't actually, when you're mad, keep your true feelings focused on the true destination that you want to be at and the true feelings that you have of the anger and frustration and wanting to yell at somebody and all that other stupid stuff. You know what you end up with? A broken iPhone because you hucked it at the wall. That's what you end up with.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That's weird. We'll have to explore that at some point. Cause I know it doesn't make sense. I'm not sitting here saying everyone suppress all your feelings.


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[Assistant] Suppress those. Let them, let them manifest themselves over time for a long term result. That's gonna be what you actually want in life. Usually the anger.


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[Assistant] Yeah, anger for sure is wonderful, but anger, jealousy, uh, ego, all those things. Those are all things that if you just act on them all the time, you're not going to have good times.


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[Assistant] Well there's definitely a thing, uh, uh, you can definitely take too much ownership.


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[Assistant] If you take too much ownership as a leader, you take away ownership from your subordinates. And so you've taken, and again, it's, that's overt.


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[Assistant] Ownership, if I take overt ownership, now if I give you the mission and you go out and execute it and you mess it up, and I say, okay Echo, I didn't give you enough guidance, I didn't give you the support, I didn't give you the training, I'm gonna own the mistakes, I'm gonna own the failure.


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[Assistant] Overtly, but covertly, if I'm giving you the mission, I'm gonna say, hey, you take it and run with it. So, that's where you need to be careful of that. But guilt for failing.


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[Assistant] Is not a valid cause not to take ownership, right? Guess what? When you fail something, yeaah, you're gonna feel guilty, but...


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[Assistant] Because things didn't go your way. And I'll tell you, when you feel guilty...


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[Assistant] Didn't give it everything I could as a leader. That's when I feel guilty. If I give it everything, and I've done everything I can, and I look back, and of course, Heinz, there's gonna be things that you didn't predict, right? Heinzite's 2020, we all know that.


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[Assistant] There's gonna be things where you look back and you say, I wish I would have made a different decision.


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[Assistant] You're gonna wait and sit around and do nothing, and now we get attacked, we get maneuvered on, we get the competitor moves, or the enemy moves on us. So,


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[Assistant] You might feel disappointed that you made the wrong decision, you might feel that type of guilt, but... The real guilt for me is if I...


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[Assistant] That's what causes guilt to me. Now, the failure...


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[Assistant] Level of guilt. It should cause you to dig deep and figure out what happened and want to re-attack it. That's what it should do. It should cause you to want to figure out where you failed, where your team failed, and what you can do to ensure that never happens again.


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[Assistant] If you want to call that guilt, you can call it guilt, but that is not a reason not to take ownership. You know, I might call it disappointment. I'll tell you what I'll call it. I'll call it motivation.


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[Assistant] Take ownership, if, you know, take ownership, get things done right, and if you fail, don't feel guilty.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you know, I say this with the businesses, they're, you know, like you just said, you make someone lose their commission because you couldn't get the deal done fast enough. You couldn't give the guy the support that he needed. Now they lose commission. You can be sure you can feel guilty about.


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[Assistant] Does that make me feel good as a leader? No, it makes me feel like an idiot.


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[Assistant] How do they cover the fact that if you're in the swamp and you're sinking, if you panic, you'll also sink more.


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[Assistant] Cause that happens for real in the water. You know, when you're in the water, something starts going wrong. If you get panicky, your breath is going faster. Your oxygen is going quicker. You're going to die. You have to relax. You have to learn to relax. You got to relax and just switch into problem solving mode.


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[Assistant] Don't let this one. But it is true that you can go in the downward spiral. And you know, we see that in people's lives, right? People's lives. They, they, they mess, they lose their job.


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[Assistant] As opposed to, lost my job, oh no, what am I gonna do? And now you start going down the downward spiral because now you can't pay your rent. Next thing you know, you're losing your, your apartment.


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[Assistant] And now you, now you can't pay your car payment either, and now you're losing your car. So what do we do? How does that help? Doesn't help. Don't panic, get aggressive, figure out what you're gonna do next, take advantage of the situation.


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[Assistant] Uh, I answered this on Twitter, someone said, how impressed were you? I responded, all caps. Impressed. So, jiu jitsu, I, I was, this is back in, this is,


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[Assistant] Maybe even, yeaah, 95, 96, maybe 97. I think it was 97. And I was, yeaah, it was 97 because I was working in the training department. And...


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[Assistant] I was in the jujitsu, but I was a blue belch. And...


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[Assistant] I wanted to go and train with Hickson, right? Because if you don't know anything about Hickson for those people that aren't jiu-jitsu players, Hickson is the, he's considered to be the best ever.


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[Assistant] Above and beyond, just being the best ever.


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[Assistant] Hicks and Gracie, being considered the best ever at the sport, he has a high level of mystique about him.


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[Assistant] You know, there's a bunch of reasons for that mystique and there's a great story.


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[Assistant] You know where, I don't, you know the story when the guy from Japan


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[Assistant] Yes. Yeah, so guy from Japan, he beat one guy in Japan and his teammate said, I will fight you at any time. The guy came to Hickson's academy and challenged him to a fight.


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[Assistant] And Hixson wasn't there at the time, they called Hixson and said, hey, this guy from Japan's here to challenge your honor. Hixson's like, oh, I'll be there in 15 minutes. So Hixson came down, they wanted to record it, and he said, no, you can't. He goes, I will record it, I will own the video, and we will fight now. And Hixson annihilated him.


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[Assistant] And that's one of the mystique stories and actually the guy came back a little while later and brought him a shogun helmet and a samurai sword or something like that.


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[Assistant] Every multiple time, you know, five times, six times, seven times, world champion jiu-jitsu person rolls with them and they say, I was helpless. The guys that are winning, dominating the world championships are saying,


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[Assistant] You know, he, I was helpless, and he's above and beyond anybody else that I've ever rolled with. So, and you know, Hixson's now probably 50-something, and he's not like rolling with the, the competitive black belts anymore.


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[Assistant] Uh, but this is, you know, five years, no, maybe ten years ago, he was, he was doing that. And he wouldn't compete, but the guys would come to train with him, and he'd destroy him. And there's some great stories online that a bunch of really good black belts have said, I mean, really good black belts have said, you know, I was rolling with Hicks and he just annihilated me. So, this is, for me,


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[Assistant] You know, I was a blue belt, but I was a pretty good blue belt, you know, back in the day. And this is the beautiful thing, you know, I was at SEAL Team 1, and so there's something in the military, you can get no cost orders, meaning, hey, you don't have to take leave, but we'll give you orders to go somewhere, and we're not going to pay for it, because, you know, we don't


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[Assistant] And, so I did that, this is at the old Pico Street Academy. And it was weird, the Pico Street Academy was kind of a uhm, a uhm,


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[Assistant] I went up there, I think I ended up staying up there for nine days. I stayed at some crappy hotel around the corner. And...


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[Assistant] When I got there, Hickson wasn't teaching, so I go there and I, you know, hey, I want to train, and the guy that was there, Lemont, who's, uh, you know who that is, right? Oh, yeaah. Yeaah. We said, what is it, Heres? Heres? What's his last name?


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[Assistant] It's Lomo, right? So Lomo, awesome jujitsu guy, awesome black belt, you know, Hicks and Gracie black belt. And so he's teaching and he's, you know, and I was coming from Fabio Santos.


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[Assistant] Who's another Hicks in black belt and you know my, my original instructor in jujitsu where you know he made all kinds of incredible jujitsu guys. Fabio did, you know, you got just all kinds. Greg trained, Dean, Higgs, James, Craig called me to all kinds of really good


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[Assistant] Lemont was another Hickson Blackbelt and he was sort of the instructor at the school, so.


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[Assistant] The styles weren't, if you go to a different school now, you can, there's a little bit more variance in styles between schools. At this time, man, it was all closer to the source, right? So all the styles were, so it was closer.


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[Assistant] Now, now we're actually getting beyond that because now with YouTube and everything and everyone competing so much all the time, there's a much quicker transfer of energy. But five years ago, eight years ago, when you went to a different school, there was a much


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[Assistant] But at this time, 20 years ago, there was, there was


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[Assistant] You know, it all came from the same source, Hickson. So it was much more similar. So, I'm going to these classes two, three times a day and...


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[Assistant] And so that's what the classes were like, super casual. We'd lay out the mats on the wooden floor in the dance studio and then we'd, we'd train and shoot the breeze. Kinda like a jujitsu class, just laid back, little stretch, maybe learn a move or two, had some rolls.


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[Assistant] Little bit more relaxed Fabio, Fabio Santos runs, uh, he's more old school and more regimented, you know, Fabio, you're, you're like gonna get in there, you're gonna do your warm up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Lemo was a little bit more laid back, cool, chill, teaching really good stuff. So that's Monday and then Tuesday and then Wednesday and then...


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[Assistant] And then Lemont, I was, you know, in the afternoon on, or in the evening on Wednesday, or I think it was, I forget what day, it was like Wednesday or Thursday, I think it was Wednesday, he's like,


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[Assistant] Hey, Hickson's gonna teach tomorrow night. And I was like, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aww, aw


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[Assistant] So there's like cars, more cars. So now I walk in and it's, it's, there's people everywhere, right? It's crowded. It's crowded. It went from like 10 or 12 people in a class.


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[Assistant] There's like a hundred people there. I'm serious, we had to lay out like all these different mats.


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[Assistant] And so you could feel the presence of Hickson. There's a hundred people now and there's ten times as many people.


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[Assistant] And everyone's quiet, everyone's serious, and...


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[Assistant] There's one of the most important lessons that I learned about jiu-jitsu as a whole. I learned that during that time and I actually


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[Assistant] The way Hickson told it, I've translated into my own way of saying it, but believe me it's close, like,


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[Assistant] What it was, what it is, is this, okay?


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[Assistant] And you've probably heard me, I teach this to this day.


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[Assistant] Is, if, if you're playing basketball, or you're playing soccer, I think soccer is what Hickson used as the example. If we're playing soccer, and I,


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[Assistant] I wanna, or if we're playing football, cause you played football, if I faint to the left, right? You...


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[Assistant] As a defender, you have to react to me. If you don't move to the left, I'm just gonna go left and you're gonna be lost.


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[Assistant] So, so when I fake to the left and now you move...


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[Assistant] I can quickly adjust back because I'm one step ahead of you. It was a fake. It wasn't a full commitment. So I can get by you. Because, because when you put you, when you move your weight, your weight is a real thing and you have to place it into the ground. And when you put your weight into the ground, it takes a quarter of a second to pull that weight back off the ground and put it in the other direction.


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[Assistant] So the difference between Jujitsu, the guy on the bottom, when you fake me, I don't have to put my weight anywhere.


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[Assistant] My, my, my, my weight does not have to follow you. If you're on the bottom. Cause I was the guy on the bottom in jiu jitsu, his weight, he doesn't, if you, if you shuck and jive, my weight, I don't have to plant my weight, that's where it's really hard to like, faint one way and then run the other way. It doesn't really work. Can you do it? Yea, but it doesn't work consistently.


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[Assistant] That was this huge lesson to me that I've always remembered and what, and the other part of it is was the hip movement and


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[Assistant] And how to move your hips on the bottom. And if you don't move your hips on the bottom, you're, you're gonna get your guard passed. And if you don't control the hips when you're passing,


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[Assistant] If you, and again this is another thing you might hear me tell people like, oh you got control of my legs.


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[Assistant] Cool. You didn't control my hips. If you can control my legs, you can put pin'em on the ground. I can still move my hips eventually. It'll be a little bit more tricky.


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[Assistant] So, those were, those two points that I learned from Hickson, I, I really focused on them for a long period of time. And,


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[Assistant] So that was awesome. And then, of course, I rolled with Hixon because I was friends with Fabio and Fabio told him I was gonna be there and so he, you know, he was a great guy and, you know, rolled with me. And, like I said, I was a blue belt.


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[Assistant] And I was a good blue belt, right? Meaning when I rolled with, when I rolled with brown belts and black belts, which there weren't a lot of at the time.


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[Assistant] I did really good, you know what I mean? We were all competitive at Fabula School at that time.


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[Assistant] Off the competition circuit to come and train at Fabio's when they'd stop by, you know, those guys would have a brown belts, black belts are going against Dean Lister and Higgs. I mean, those guys were not getting


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[Assistant] It was, you know, Dean and Higgs were awesome. Dean was phenomenal. Higgs was phenomenal. And I was in the mix with those guys, you know. So we were good, is what I'm saying. So what did it feel like to roll with Hixon? I thought about this.


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[Assistant] And I thought about a way to describe it, and this is the way I am going to describe it.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be hard to imagine, but try and imagine it. Okay, he-


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[Assistant] Have you ever felt very quick a large amount of very quickly rolling water or flowing water? Yes. So a river?


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[Assistant] A giant hose, a pipe with water, like coming out of it. And when you stick your hand, like you can't barely resist it. That much water. So imagine that feeling of force.


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[Assistant] And wherever you, but just like water, so it's like that much force, but just like water, wherever you go to stop it, it just goes around it.


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[Assistant] And it was, that's, that was what, what it was like. And uhm, really, really.


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[Assistant] Just phenomenal jujitsu and I mean even at that time and remembering back to it, it was another level of jujitsu for sure.


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[Assistant] That was, was awesome. Now, so yea, that's, that's Roland Hickson. I still actually, I got some mutual friends with Hickson, and uh, I, I see him occasionally, and


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[Assistant] You know, the, the, the cool thing about Hickson is...


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[Assistant] I would love to tell you that he's, you know, like a stereotypical


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[Assistant] Right. And even though he's a mellow guy, and he has nothing to prove to anybody,


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[Assistant] I think, and it kind of feels like the way I feel.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? And even though, even though...


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[Assistant] I'm kind of the same way, like I feel like, you know, I'm pretty mellow, I mean I don't, I, I don't have anything, I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody, I guess, maybe I am in some ways, but I'm pretty mellow.


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[Assistant] But I, I still, I like the taste of blood. And I love that feeling of...


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[Assistant] Combat. And that's kind of what you sense, that's what I sense from Hixson. And so yeaah, awesome. And maybe we'll have him on here sometime.


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[Assistant] You know, and it's because it's real. Yeaah. It's because it's real. You can go and, like I said, Google Hicks and Gracie stories.


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[Assistant] Hicks and Gracie black belt stories. There's stories where he would line up ten black belts and say I'm gonna submit you all with an arm lock on your right arm. And he would do it.


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[Assistant] And he would do it. And that's, and so yeaah, that builds you some mystique. For sure.


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[Assistant] Back in the day, he brought his sons with him. So Hawkson was there, and Kron was there. Kron was a little tiny kid, man. Tiny kid.


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[Assistant] And Fabio told him that I was in the SEAL teams and stuff and that's, you know, so he told me he had a little conversation. That's another funny thing. He said, uh, so when we got done rolling and we were talking, like yours is saying, and he says to me, he goes,


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[Assistant] It's, I do this too sometimes when people used to ask me, hey, what was it like rolling with Hicks? And I'd say, okay, let me get in your guard. And then I'd get in their guard and then say, okay now, and then I'd say, okay now just relax.


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[Assistant] And that's another thing, I mean I kinda held on to that, like I always like to be comfortable in bad positions. And Dean...


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[Assistant] That I roll with on a regular basis. I roll with some really good guys.


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[Assistant] But when Dean is mounted on you, or when Dean is on side control on you, it is...


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[Assistant] Insufferable. It's a bad position. It's a bad position. And especially because, like I'll roll with, I roll with other really high level guys that aren't from our


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[Assistant] But neither one of us want the other person to be, especially a cross-side.


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[Assistant] And General Malone's, if you remember, the story was, there was a messed up unit, and he went in there and was like, alright, get squared away, get these boards in place, get out of the mud, what, you need to get your uniforms together, just tighten them up, out of the gate.


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[Assistant] And General Ramey, if you remember that one, he said, Hey,


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[Assistant] A guy taking over for a situation, a known bad situation. The troops are lacking discipline. They're not executing the mission. And if you remember from that story, they weren't even doing basic military bearing. They didn't, they weren't saluting the officers. They just had thrown everything out the window. That's a situation where you gotta come in, you gotta get firm out of the gate.


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[Assistant] That's what you gotta do. Now, they gotta know that, they gotta know that things are gonna change. They gotta know it's real.


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[Assistant] And then they gotta know that there's new standards and they gotta know what the new standards are. Boom. And it's the same thing, you know, Hackworth.


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[Assistant] He did that. He came in with some, you know, if you remember when he took over the hardcore battalion, what became the hardcore battalion, the first thing he did was like all those radios and guitars and all this crap that you have sitting around base, put it all in the middle of the base tomorrow and we're getting rid of it all.


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[Assistant] Then he, then he started implementing two changes a day, if you remember. Hey, gotta get everyone to carry your weapon at all times. That's the next change. Okay, get your helmet on. Okay, now we gotta get helmet covers on. He just made one, one or two small changes a day after he made some big sweeping changes out of the gate because it was a jacked up battalion.


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[Assistant] Now, now the difference is, if you're going into a situation where everything's going fine, or okay, or at a bare minimum it's like normal, well then you don't need to step in there and show that you're the man by making these sweeping changes. You don't need to do that. It comes across, it comes across like the people that you just took charge of have no idea what they're doing.


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[Assistant] And you know, you don't respect what they, what they, what, their methodology. You don't respect their, their performance. Cause you're coming in and saying, oh Echo, by the way, the way you record the podcast, you need to get rid of those microphones. You need to edit it tighter. Your bass is too, you know, what would you be thinking if I came in and said that?


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[Assistant] It's not black and white. You don't go into some units. It's not like you're gonna get a choice between a unit that's doing horrible and a unit that's doing great. You're gonna get everything in between and therefore you have to modulate your leadership to reflect. If it's a, if it's a group that might have a tendency of being a little bit jacked up and they're getting close, guess what?


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[Assistant] Gotta, gotta be, maybe not sweeping changes, but you might need to make a little statement. Right. If it's a group that's performing awesome, fantastic, top, top team, top whatever, you might need to come and say, hey guys, I see that you're doing great.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta see do people just instantly rebel? Okay, then let's talk this, let's get some feedback. What's going on?


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[Assistant] Clearly we have a disrespect scenario going on. We need to get to the bottom of this. Let me get some key leaders in here. Let me talk to them and get some feedback.


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[Assistant] That's why leadership is awesome. That's why beat, that's why this stuff is so fun cause it's challenging, it's different every single time.


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[Assistant] You can just get a better grasp of it. It's just like jujitsu, if you understand the concept.


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[Assistant] That you have to be able to move your hips, there's a bunch of different ways you can get your hips moving. If you understand the concept that you need to immobilize the hips to pass the guard, if you understand that concept, there's all kinds of different ways you can do it. If you understand the concept of totally jacked up


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[Assistant] If you understand that concept, that that's what it's gonna take, you can apply it all the way through those gradations, all the way down to, hey, this team is doing great and I don't need to change much, I just need to give them the support that they need.


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[Assistant] And actually in this one he's talking, I edited a little bit out of this because he had a really long email. And we believe in brevity around here. So he's actually now talking about a soccer match, a grudge match that they're playing.


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[Assistant] So this is, this is pretty simple and I've actually talked about this before. Uhm, I've talked about it with regards to MMA and I've talked about it with regards to my SEAL platoon, my SEAL task unit, and that is that you have to be very careful with praise.


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[Assistant] Because, and the example that I give in the corner of MMA fights is if you tell a guy, hey good job, you know, you won that last round. Keep, just keep doing what you're doing. He's gonna back off.


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[Assistant] He's gonna back off, and guess what the other corner's telling him? You lost that round! You need to step it up, you need to get aggressive, and that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna get out there, cause, I'll tell you,


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[Assistant] Most people in an MMA fight, MMA fight is a, it's like wrestling, it's a very intense cardio activity. Everybody's gonna be tired, just about everybody, obviously. So when you get two guys, well let me rephrase that, when you get two guys that are evenly matched and are going at it hard,


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[Assistant] You know, they're saying, hey, good job. Good job. You're looking good. And she's getting crushed.


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[Assistant] We were doing CQC, so close quarters combat drills. We're going to the kill house over and over. And, you know.


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[Assistant] And literally the next run, guys go in the house, they screw everything up, they miss targets, just a disaster. And I talk to the contrary, I'm like, don't ever tell my guys again that they're the best guys in the world. Don't, don't tell them that. You can tell them, good job, but don't be telling them they're the best.


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[Assistant] People in the world, it just doesn't work. And so that's kind of what happened, you know, here. Now, the thing is, this doesn't mean that you can never give anybody credit or never give anyone praise, because you absolutely have to do that. But what you have to do, you have to proactively counteract


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[Assistant] Let's say you're on the lacrosse field or the soccer field. You bring the boys in, you say, look, guys, good half. Good first half, you took it to em.


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[Assistant] You showed them that we can hang with them. You played them even. That's fine. Here's the problem.


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[Assistant] I actually want you guys to play like murderers. That's what I want you to do. I want you to win every loose ball. I want you to make every tackle. I want you to get your head on every ball that's in the air. You stick to them on defense. I don't even want them to be able to breathe.


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[Assistant] So you gotta counter that. You know, you gotta counter the good job thing. So in MMA, it's the same thing, you know. Hey, good round. It was a close round, but a good round, but listen.


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[Assistant] So that's what you need to do with that. Now for tactical training, same thing. Cause you know, I know this police officers and SWAT teams and guys that are in the military, you're doing tactical training all the time and you're going to see that as the team comes together, they're going to start to do good. But like I said, if you give them too much,


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[Assistant] They're going to slack, right? So, you know, when you're running your tactical training, you, for your guys, you say, look, Hey guys, I see some good progress out there. We're making some good runs, but let me tell you, it's not good enough for it right now. Okay.


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[Assistant] This is the deal. The enemy can rely on luck. We can't. We rely on our training.


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[Assistant] We train to be prepared for anything that the enemy throws at us. So we're gonna work as hard as we can and be as perfect as we can. So we are ready for the worst case scenario. So get jocked up for another run right now.


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[Assistant] On a damn berserker rage and crush this.


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[Assistant] And then in combat, again, I just was talking to some guys yesterday, and...


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[Assistant] It's the same thing, complacency is the worst thing that can happen.


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[Assistant] With your team when you're in a combat scenario. So when you're in combat, you know, it's look, hey guys, we're running some good operations, right? We've got the upper hand and that's good.


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[Assistant] But it's not good enough. We cannot be complacent and we can't take our foot off the enemy's throat. We are going to be relentless. We are


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[Assistant] Balance, essentially what I'm doing in each one of those, you know, situations. I'm balancing


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[Assistant] Okay, important question. Now, I say this all the time, you know, you gotta detach. I also say all the time, if you detach from all your emotions, that means you're a robot and people don't follow robots. I say it all the time. So, when you do detach, you can't,


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[Assistant] You can't completely step away but if you do, you have to, you have to act. You have to do a little acting. Now, first of all,


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[Assistant] We already talked about this, right? We already talked about these red flags that death.


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[Assistant] Show that you're gonna lose your temper, that you're gonna get emotional about something, you know, your clenched fist and your raised voice and your heavy breathing and your flared nostrils and all that stuff, right? So you know what those things mean? Those things mean, those things, your, your signal, that mean detach. Okay, so you gotta work on that.


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[Assistant] Maybe you just kind of clench your jaw and you remember I said to you like nodding your head in a positive way?


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[Assistant] And that's a, that's a, when you, if you're coming to me with an issue, and I nod my head to the affirmative, you know, up and down saying yes I understand, yes I understand, that's a soothing thing to your team, right? They see that you're, you're okay with it.


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[Assistant] So maybe that's another thing that you, you know, you clench your jaw and you shake your head to just show the person like, look, I know we're in a bad way, I get it, I'm not sitting back here like it's no big deal, I know it's gonna be a tough, I know we just-


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[Assistant] Lost a sail or I know we just, you know, are gonna have to plan another mission that we just got back. I understand that it's hard. You care. I care. You know, I'm with you. You want to give that. Maybe you let out that little sigh of frustration, you know, like a little.


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[Assistant] Like something like that, right? Just gonna do that little thing. Just do that little, just showing that you do got some emotions and you are invested in all that stuff. And, and then once


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[Assistant] Once you see that you've achieved your goal here, that you can see that, that they see that you have some emotions on the situation, then you, you quickly get yourself to recover from that, right? You get yourself composed.


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[Assistant] I actually am glad he's so, he's into it, but I'm glad he's calming down, that's good. Okay, so, then you recover, and you go back to your calm, cool, collected self.


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[Assistant] That's all you're doing. You're being you. You're just acting like yourself.


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[Assistant] Just showing a little bit more of the emotion in.


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[Assistant] Then you would be if you were just completely detached. So, it's not like you're trying to act like some, you know, other, yeah, you're not trying to play a role of someone else, you're just being you. So, and you already know what you do, cause you've learned how, what the signals are. So when you know that you raise your voice, and that means you're, okay, then just raise your voice a little bit.


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[Assistant] If you know that you, you just give a little sign. It's those careful things. And, so yeaah, I guess it is acting in a way, but it's not full on. Anybody can do it. I think.


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[Assistant] It's the same thing. Same thing, same thing, yeaah. Uh, that was messed up by the way. Same thing, yeaah. I know, I know. Is it a form of manipulation?


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[Assistant] It might be a little bit of a form of manipulation, but again, if you're doing it to help the individual and you're doing it to help the team, then is it manipulation or is it leadership? I say, of course, it's leadership. You're not manip, manipulation is I'm trying to fool you, so you do things that I want you to do that are gonna hurt you. Yeah, we're not doing that. It's not what we're running here.


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[Assistant] We all have to work out, watch out for is the fact that we, we focus on our strengths, right? That's what we do. That's what people do. So you get a person that's smart, you know, really intellectual person and they let themselves go physically.


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[Assistant] You know, or you get a person that's a physical stud, but then they're not gonna challenge their brain power, or like the question.


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[Assistant] That was, you know, the example here that was posed, you know, someone that's a fitness guru or a party guru. I'm throwing that one out there because some people really do that. Sure. Or they, you know, they're an entrepreneur, common entrepreneur. And so they're driving a new Mercedes, but it's leased.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, you take another example is what about the business person that doesn't have time for their family, right? And so that's not good. So.


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[Assistant] I think the focus here is we try and, we all have to be, try to be well-rounded.


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[Assistant] So look out for that when you do this, uhm, and I'll tell you, this is actually a reality of the situation. I try and maintain this balance, but


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[Assistant] I've been actually working a lot lately and what, and this is a clear indicator to me that I've overbooked myself is last week, uhm, we had to, I, we had to skip a day of jiu-jitsu to record.


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[Assistant] I mean, we don't do that, right? When do we record? We record after jiu-jitsu. But I knew I had so much stuff going on that...


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[Assistant] I said, hey, we gotta, we gotta record it this time, cause I gotta get this other stuff done, cause I'm traveling and this and that. And so we had to skip the jujitsu, so that is a red flag to me. That says I need to, I need to tighten up, I need to get my, you know, get my schedule back in check, so that I can do the things that I need to do. Of course, what do I say about the situation?


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[Assistant] It's fine. You know what? Can't train jiu-jitsu that day. Cause I'm tra- I got some travel coming up. Good.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna heal up my shoulder a little bit more, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna, it's, it's fine. But...


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[Assistant] In the numbers of hours I will work will have actually no impact on how much time I'm going to spend with my family and do jiu-jitsu and all that stuff because I'll just do it all.


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[Assistant] Re-leveled, I guess you might say. Equalized is what I should have said. Uh, so back to the subject, don't be a one-trick pony, you know, be a jack of all trades, and then master a few of those trades. So you can emphasize, fitness guru.


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[Assistant] You can emphasize intellectual power. You can emphasize jujitsu.


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[Assistant] But don't put a hundred percent of your effort into one area because eventually it will take, you won't have anything else. And by the way, if you put all your, you know, if you put all your,


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[Assistant] All your eggs in the basket of intellectual power, now you're unhealthy and you die.


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[Assistant] Right? That doesn't, you know, I don't care how smart you are, you can't do 2 plus 2 when you're dead.


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[Assistant] So don't put all your focus 100% into one area. Don't become unbalanced in your disciplines. Spread it around and hold the line.


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[Assistant] Should, should, instead of saying, hey, you know what they should do? Walk up and be like, hey man, you know what? I noticed you're pretty successful financially. I would like to get in the game with you a little bit and, and learn from you about that. And the other guy should say to him, well you know what? It looks like you're in pretty good fitness levels. I would like to get in the game with that. Let's,


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[Assistant] So what we have to do is instead of, if I came to you and said, echo.


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[Assistant] Dude, I want abs like you got. Can you help me get in the game? And then we formed a little relationship and now I say to you, man, so,


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[Assistant] What's your main income stream, dude? You know, what are you doing? And you say, well, you know, I got these two clients. You got a website?


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[Assistant] No, not really. Why don't you have a website? You got any social media to advertise? You know, we go down that road and we build up. We take care of each other. That's what we want to do as people.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah. Well, I've told this story before in the SEAL teams.


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[Assistant] You're a world class, uh, triathlete? Oh yea, that guy's a really good triathlete, that's cool.


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[Assistant] The old classic here. What do you do about the, about the negative guy that's trying to bring you down?


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[Assistant] And sure, you can, you can confront them. Right? And you can, by doing that, join in their, in their little game.


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[Assistant] And then you're turning your workplace into, you know, your basic grade school gossip haul.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, that you, you have to address things. And when you do it, you do it professionally.


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[Assistant] And you do it, your goal is to disarm them. Because remember that this negative person inside, they


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[Assistant] About how I'm doing my job, you know, if I'd love to get your feedback so I can tighten up my game. Let's just disarm him a little bit.


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[Assistant] And something like that will likely diffuse the scenario a little bit. And, you know, hopefully the people will, the person will understand that there are other people that are telling you what's going on. It'll kind of put them in check and stifle the situation.


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[Assistant] Preferred methodology for this situation for me is quite simple. And that is ignore and outperform them.


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[Assistant] You keep gossiping and I'll keep working. You keep talking smack and I'll keep working.


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[Assistant] And when you finally look around at where you are and where I'm at,


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[Assistant] You realize that you have nothing left to talk smack about.


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[Assistant] And this here applies to when people are playing office politics, or forming their little cliques, or working their personal agendas. And again, I know, sometimes you have to play those games.


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[Assistant] But let your first course of action.


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[Assistant] And I think that's all I've got for tonight.


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[Assistant] How they can support this podcast if they want.


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[Assistant] I've been taking Corolla oil for so long, I don't even know what it's like to not take Corolla oil anymore.


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[Assistant] I, I got on, I had a bunch of, like I said, I've been working a lot.


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[Assistant] I've been traveling a lot. When you travel you're getting on planes with a bunch of people that you don't know. And they have all kinds of germs. As do I. And so people get sick. And I can't be sick and do my job because I gotta go talk to people and meet people and give speeches and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] So, I can't be getting sick. So I knew I had critical events coming up. So guess what I did?


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[Assistant] Training hard surf today. So it basically worked out and got after it. So.


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[Assistant] And, and yeaah, I cycled it. Yeaah. I cycled it because I knew.


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[Assistant] I didn't want to get sick. I suppose you could just say hey, when do you want to get sick? Right. Never? Yea. Maybe it's something I should take more often.


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[Assistant] No, I, like I said, a bunch of events back, the Ted Talk, and so what am I going to show up to the Ted Talk? Coughing? Can't take that chance.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not, it's not a foreign horrible substance that you're gonna become reliant on.


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[Assistant] So, so I don't, because I work out early in the morning as we know.


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[Assistant] And I don't like working out on an empty stomach, or on a full stomach. So I work out on an empty stomach in the morning. Good idea. But, I, and you told me that you might consider this cheating.


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[Assistant] Because I will take it. Please you shits.


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[Assistant] I was on a 72 hour fast and I was like almost at the end of it. And I did everything normal. I didn't change anything. I squatted, I did pull ups, I did everything normal, worked out, surfed, did jiu jitsu. I was at the end of it and I was rolling the big Eric, um, you know, judo Eric. And I said I'm gonna tell you something when we get done.


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[Assistant] So we rolled hard and it was no, it was just the way we normally roll, you know, and got after it hard. And I said, and he said, what were you going to tell me? I said, yeah, I'm on a, I'm on the tail end of a 72 hour fast right now. And he's like, well, it didn't seem to affect your performance. And I said, no, I don't think it affects your performance at all. Yeah. Just straight up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I forget who it is. And that is actually why I didn't tell Eric. Right. Cause then it's just an excuse to come out. And also, and also,


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[Assistant] Well, that was a good one. That was a good one. It was pretty good. It's, it's, it's hard. It's hard to get me tired of jiu-jitsu. Yeah. You know what it is? It's not all conditioning too. I just, I know how to conserve some energy.


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[Assistant] You have made some incredible strides though, on two areas. You used to gas out really, really bad. Until, until you started doing mat-cons in your training. In your, in your non-jiu-jitsu training. You used to gas out really bad. Number one. Number two. You used to get really claustrophobic and not be able to handle that.


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[Assistant] All over again. Well, you've dug your way out of that pretty good. I think the Metcon had a lot to do with it. You did, you just, what did you just mentally eventually say like, okay, when Jaco gets side control on me and holds me there, I just need to relax and just sit there and accept that I'm gonna be here for a little while.


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[Assistant] I'd hold him, you know, I'd get a cross-sider, get them out and just not let him move, put my chest over his face, and he would just, you know, and he would lose it, you know.


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[Assistant] I was like, man, yeaah. Dean, actually it was funny. Yesterday, maybe, yea, it was yesterday.


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[Assistant] The, the, the power was going out like momentarily in the gym a few times.


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[Assistant] So we were going when the clock was still running and he was doing that to me, right? And when he tries to make me claustrophobic or tries to get reaction out of me, I just go into like complete detachment, mental shutdown. Not, not mental shutdown in a negative way, but mental shutdown like, okay, I'm not going to show you any


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[Assistant] And so he's like, like basically putting his knuckle into my rib, he's mounted smothering me and rubbing his knuckle into my rib. And I'm just laying there like taking it and just thinking about other things and actually I'm thinking like when I get it on top of me I'm gonna kill him. And, and then the timer ran out and he kept doing it.


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[Assistant] And he kept doing it. And he kept doing it for like another 30 seconds. And then he laughed and he jumped off. So then we were going again. And, I, I, got him into like,


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[Assistant] So I'm going for an armlock on Dean and the timer goes, like it's the end of the round and.


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[Assistant] Mentally, you become, you know what it feels like to be tired, because I don't think you knew what that felt like before.


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[Assistant] Exactly. You're used, you're mentally inoculated too. Oh, I'm out of breath. I'm not, you, what you used to think was I'm out of breath and I'm gonna die. And now you think I'm out of breath and that's okay.


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[Assistant] With your performance. Was that just a 14 or 20 minute, uh, talk about OnIt.com slash Jaco? Sure. Cool.


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[Assistant] There's others. And somebody posted that you can, if you have Alexa. Do you know what Alexa is?


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[Assistant] Alexa played Jocko podcast and then it says back to you, you want to hear the show Jocko because they don't, they think that podcasts isn't part of the name because it's artificial intelligence. Gotcha. So just you want to hear the show Jocko and you say yes. And then it says, I'm finding the latest episode. And then it plays Jocko podcast.


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[Assistant] Or something like this. Yeah, yeah. Well, the song would probably be called Destroy Planet Earth. Right, in your case, for sure, for sure.


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[Assistant] Jocko willing ted talk or something like that. Yeah, you'll get to see it. It's good. I talked about uh, you know war and stuff


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[Assistant] Yeah. You used to talk about those shirts that you give away at the ballpark. You haven't mentioned that in a while. Yeah. I'm glad you're back. Speaking of OG, you're going with your OG examples. I like that.


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[Assistant] From everyone out there on psychological warfare, it's 100% effective.


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[Assistant] The wake up, I was going to say the wake up, you will get out of bed. Yeaah. Because, because you, this is the thing, you know what's being told to you?


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[Assistant] So, psychological warfare. That's a good one. By the way, I listened to it.


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[Assistant] It's not a kinetic strike, it's psychological warfare, which is actually more effective.


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[Assistant] We prefer to let our body do the work. Yes, exactly right. And we prefer to let our mind do the work.


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[Assistant] If you're getting out of bed because someone's yelling at you, okay, well that's okay.


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[Assistant] Speaking of good things. There it is. If you want some Jocka White tea. Sure. It's in stock. It's on Amazon.


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[Assistant] If you're in America, get it on Amazon. If you're in a foreign country, go to eBay for all resourcing, it's the official listing, you can get it there. You, you already know what, what the tea is gonna do for you. You already know that.


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[Assistant] But you know what, that's a side effect. Cause it also just tastes good. So which one's you gonna go? And I'll tell you what, right now,


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[Assistant] But it's good for you actually a little bit. Exactly! Thank you Echo. Microdose. Not gonna get y'all jittery. So, Jocka White Tea. You can get it on Amazon. Uh, when you're on Amazon, you can pick up the book Extreme Ownership by me and my brother Leif Babin. And, what's cool is,


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[Assistant] And it gets in there and a guy, it spreads.


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[Assistant] It just spreads, you know, a guy buys it for his team and then he buys it for, you know, the CEO gives him a gift and the CEO buys it for everyone. So it's really cool to see that and it's cool to see.


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[Assistant] Go out, get it for the people you work with. Give them the tools to


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[Assistant] Lead. And, you know, the deal is, you make a little investment, get in the book, it's 20 bucks, right? You give that book to your key team members, it's gonna make your life easier. Return on investment, good to go. And while you're doing that, you can get this book, another book right here,


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[Assistant] It's uhm, it's called Way of the Warrior Kit.


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[Assistant] And this is the deal, this is what we have to watch out for. Order it now. Why order it now if you're not gonna get it until May 2nd, that's when it comes out. Here's why.


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[Assistant] If we don't order it now, it's gonna happen the same thing that happened with Jocko White Tea.


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[Assistant] The people that are printing is like, oh, no one's ordering it, so we're not going to, you know, we'll print 12 copies.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get a lot of orders and everyone's gonna have to sit around and wait for the thing to be printed. So what we want to do is give them the indication that yes, book is coming out. We don't want to end up with Jocko White T-Style Baron Armageddon on our hands with the book. And I'll tell you, it is...


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[Assistant] You know, it's a book. It's a kid's book, admittedly, but I'm gonna tell you, Uncle Jake, who's in the book, who teaches his nephew how to get after it, Uncle Jake's got some lessons for everybody about


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[Assistant] Discipline, about working out, about overcoming fear, about diet, and exercise, and life.


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[Assistant] Here's what's going on. Uhm, at this point, basically, the kid, Mark,


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[Assistant] He's, like I said, he doesn't know how to do, he can't do any pull ups. Doesn't know his times tables. He's getting picked on at school, doesn't know how to swim.


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[Assistant] Guess what? He's a 10 year old kid in life. Life is hard. He's realizing that. He's bummed out. He's been sad. His Uncle Jake comes to live with him for the summer. His Uncle Jake used to be in the SEAL teams. He's getting out so he can go to college, but during the summer he's living with his sister. So now,


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[Assistant] When Uncle Jake realizes that Mark has all these issues,


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[Assistant] Like I said, what does he say when Mark freaks out and cries and says, I got these issues. Uncle Jake says, good, we can solve these problems. And then he says, look, you, you're not really getting after it.


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[Assistant] You need to be, instead of being this kind of wimpy kid over here, you need to be a warrior kid.


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[Assistant] And Mark sort of, what's a warrior kid? And so at this point,


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[Assistant] They're, they're talking about like do you actually know what a warrior is? And I'll go back to the book right now.


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[Assistant] So here's Uncle Jake. Do you even know what a warrior is?


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[Assistant] Mark says, yes, I mean, I guess I know. A warrior is someone who fights in wars, right? And Uncle Jake says, that is one part, but what else? I'm not sure what else.


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[Assistant] So do you think that the only way to be a warrior is to fight in wars? And do you think that anyone who fights in wars is a warrior? Well, I guess so. Well, you guessed wrong.


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[Assistant] There is a lot more to being a warrior than just being in a war.


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[Assistant] Warriors are people that stand up for themselves. They face challenges. Warriors work hard to achieve goals. They have the discipline to overcome their weaknesses.


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[Assistant] Warriors are people that constantly try to test and improve themselves. And yes, war is the ultimate test. But not all warriors go to war.


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[Assistant] And then Mark says, but how can a kid be a warrior? And Uncle Mark says, or Uncle Jake says, by doing everything I just said, a normal kid doesn't push himself.


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[Assistant] A warrior kid does. A normal kid doesn't work to constantly improve himself.


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[Assistant] A warrior kid does. I look at all these problems you cried to me about yesterday. A warrior kid wouldn't cry about those problems.


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[Assistant] A warrior kid would do something about those problems. And then Mark says, do what? Do what?


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[Assistant] Do whatever it takes. Every problem you have can be overcome. Every one of them.


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[Assistant] You can't do pull ups? You work out and get stronger until you can. You don't know your times tables? You study and train your mind until you know them cold. You can't swim? You learn how. You get picked on? You learn how to fight. Fight?


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[Assistant] I asked. Yes. Fight. Just like anything else in the world, there are techniques to fighting. Like learning a sport.


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[Assistant] And when you know the techniques and practice them, you can defend yourself from anyone.


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[Assistant] Like I told you last night, I had to transform myself when I got in the Navy.


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[Assistant] I had to get stronger. I had to learn to fight. I even had to learn to learn. But I did it. And if I did it, so can you.


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[Assistant] Do you want to? Do you want to overcome all these challenges you face? Of course.


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[Assistant] And then as they wrap up that conversation, they were out in the park when they're doing that. And Mark says, we walked through the park and back to the house without saying another word. Something had already changed.


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[Assistant] Might want to get after it. And also on top of that,


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[Assistant] The book is coming out May 2nd. That's cool. May 4th and 5th, guess what's going on. The Muster, right there. Marriott Marquis in New York City.


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[Assistant] Basically two months away from right now. So sign up, book your ticket.


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[Assistant] Get your hotel room. It's gonna be awesome. Leif's gonna be there. I'm gonna be there obviously. Leif's gonna be there. JP's gonna be there. Echo's gonna be there. Dave Burke. Newest member of Echelon Front. Marine Corps.


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[Assistant] Boom. Fighter pilot. Boom. Top gun. Boom. Top gun instructor. Yeah. And by the way, with all that,


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[Assistant] He was on the ground in Ramadi with tasking a bruiser doing operation after operation after operation as an Anglico team leader. So the guys out there forward air control. He's coming on the podcast soon as well. And as just like the first muster.


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[Assistant] There's not going to be a backstage. There's no green room that we're going to be hiding in. We will be out front. We will be talking to you, discussing things, taking ownership of the problems that we all have and get them solved. So we will see you there at the muster.


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[Assistant] Extreme ownership dot com and until we do see you there.


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[Assistant] We'll be interacting with all of you. Echo is at Echo Charles and I am at Jocko Willink.


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[Assistant] And to the military men and women that are out there right now in harm's way.


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[Assistant] Putting your life at risk for our great nation. Thank you all for our freedom.


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[Assistant] And to those that have fallen for the cause of freedom, we will never forget.


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[Assistant] For the police fighting crime and the firefighters fighting fires and the rest of the first responders out there. Thanks to you all for keeping us safe.


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[Assistant] And to everyone else out there, thank you for listening and thank you for supporting this podcast and thanks for being here.


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[Assistant] As we make our way through the world trying to extract every drop of blood from this life by pushing forward every day with everything that we've got. All of us.


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[Assistant] It changes everything when you get that good attitude going. Yeah. Make it fun.


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[Assistant] Check. Alright, we only got time for one more.


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[Assistant] And they don't end well. You know, they don't end well. And...


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[Assistant] An incredibly meaningful borderline religious ceremony that they go to and through in order to prepare their mind for combat. Maybe it's a...


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[Assistant] And the, the Navy Seal breathing techniques and the, the visualization and things like that.


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[Assistant] I, I hate to spoil the romantic vision of the


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[Assistant] For you to fight harder. To dig in. Means it's time for you to go on the war path.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna tell you right now, it won't be easy.


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[Assistant] It will be hard because life is hard. That's what life is.


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[Assistant] See what I'm saying? Don't group me with them just because I wear the same uniform! Yea, but you know, if you're a good man, he's going against the Navy. Tom Cruise is a Navy guy. You're not gonna-


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[Assistant] Uh, follow-up question, is there such thing as a code red? No. Okay. There's no such thing. That's what I thought. Anyway, so, support. Alright, we can talk about that if you guys like. Cool.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the name of the pre-workout is total strength and performance. I left out the strength in there. Okay. So you perform good and you're strong. Anyway, if you want 10% off on it's stuff, shroom tech, alpha brain.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause, yeah, so that's another story right there. Anyway, ony.com slash Jocko, that's for 10% off. Best supplements in the world. Approved? Approved. Approved. Boom. Uhm, also, if you shop at Amazon,


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[Assistant] Or JockoStore website. So click on the little Amazon banner, boom, then do your shopping, then get the book.


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[Assistant] Or whatever else you get. Uhm, and you can support that way. That's a good way. That's like, small action, big result.


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[Assistant] Also, YouTube, we're putting out more videos now. I noticed that. Shorter videos.


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[Assistant] Jocko good. That's one of the OG videos. That was a good one though, by the way. Uhm, I thought, I thought it was good. Uh, subscribe, yea, YouTube if you like those videos. If you like little Jocko McNuggets rather than the whole podcast all at once. Shareable, right?


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[Assistant] I say, hey, Brian Stanton, watch this video real quick. It's two hours long. You're not watching it real quick. Three minutes long. You might watch that one real quick. Same thing. Exactly. Right. The same thing. So that's what we're doing now. If you didn't know. So yeah, subscribe to that if you want, um, you know, you want to be updated on that also. Jaco has a store. It's called Jaco store.


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[Assistant] Yes, perfect. And, you know, there's some shirts on there. You know, if you want to kind of get after it that way, get yourself a shirt that's kind of, you know, you're wearing shirts anyway, I figure. Right?


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[Assistant] Very well put, yes. Uhm, so yeaah, check out those shirts. I'm not saying buy a shirt. I'm not saying, I'm not sitting here and saying buy a shirt. I'm saying go on the website, jocastore.com. Look at the shirts. If you like the shirts. And you want to support the podcast.


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[Assistant] Get a shirt. It's on you. Uhm, there's some rash guards in there so you can, you know, some, some physical activity, grappling, surfing, anything that, you know, anything that you do a lot of physical activity. You need range of motion. Rash guard's good. Hoodie's good.


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[Assistant] Patch is good. Regulation size or not regulation size. Good. All good. Anyway.


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[Assistant] Something like that. And still working on the international for the mugs right?


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[Assistant] So uhm, stand by for that. Uh, also, okay, psychological warfare. I-I like to feel sometimes I don't need this anymore.


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[Assistant] I'm over it. But, if you do need psychological warfare, here's what it is.


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[Assistant] You ever have those days where you're like, you're about to work out, or you have planned to work out, and you're like, you know, maybe I'll just work out tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Everybody has you. Absolutely. Right. Yes. So what you do is you get this album that we, we put together. Well, it's Jocko talking. I just kind of recorded it, but like I said,


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[Assistant] Put it on iTunes, you can get like a track. Like if your thing is like, I eat donuts way too much. And you're like, I'm gonna fight the donuts or whatever. You can just get that track. It's called what? Sugar Coated Lies. That's for example.


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[Assistant] You ever read the book called Diet Cults?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then you figure if you're asymmetric like that, your everyday life is asymmetric, really, because you have a little bit of overdevelopment on one side. That might have been it.


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[Assistant] And Terry, and I was showing them about, uh, I was showing them the warrior bars, right? These are, these are dope. And then, then he was like, oh yeah, like what else is there? There's some good stuff on it has good stuff. So I brought out the, that new pre-workout one, which is good by the way, I have a report on that.


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[Assistant] The kind of irony there is him saying


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[Assistant] Anyway, the reason that it's not a douchey conversation, here's the point, is because Onyx supplements, acrylic oil, all that stuff, is actually good quality. It's not like, hey, I'm gonna meet him and get buff and all this stuff. It actually helps your performance. Anyway.


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[Assistant] In the event of you wanting On It stuff and supporting this podcast, while at the same time supporting yourself, go to OnIt.com slash Jaco 10% off. Boom.


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[Assistant] Oh wait, yeah, you're into chemistry, right? Sodium, when you put a little piece of sodium in the water, right, it makes this big commotion. So that's what, kind of what the Amazon click through does. It seems like this small little thing, but applied properly, it makes a big impact in the podcast, support wise. Anyway.


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[Assistant] I tell Jock that he typically doesn't really understand because he doesn't know what sodium does. Might have been potassium. Or both, actually.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's kinda unfair that I don't think about that as much. You know when you have an iPhone, you kinda forget all this other stuff. I'm over here to help out. Yeaah, man. Good thing you're here, yeaah. On this podcast. Uhm, YouTube of course.


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[Assistant] We're working on putting more videos on there aside from the whole podcast. So some of those videos, and I have gotten like messages saying like those shorter clips are helpful. They are helpful. Rather than listening to the whole podcast.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've been following now and in fact I have them all. Like, it's a process. But yeah, we're working on that so subscribe to YouTube!


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[Assistant] Well technically you saying, hey echo, put this one up. Okay. Boom, you did your part. Yeah man, exactly. Uhm, and then in the event of you wearing like what, like a t-shirt or something, or a hoodie, Jocko has a store. It's called Jocko's store. The URL is jockostore.com.


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[Assistant] I was gonna get to that. So, you mentioned, see now we gotta change the subject real quick, which I like by the way.


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[Assistant] Only the cool kids had the calculator one. Usually if you had a watch it was just the regular Casio. And the cool kids had the calculator.


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[Assistant] Nonetheless, yeaah, I am very proud of this calculator watch.


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[Assistant] Back to the store though, Jocko's store. No watches, but. Yet. They are yet. Yeah, not yet.


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[Assistant] But there are some cool shirts. In my opinion, I think they're cool. Discipline equals freedom, all these things. Jocko's head, good. Written in backwards. Various layers to these shirts. Not just like, oh, a picture, that's it. So, if you like...


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[Assistant] Any of that stuff. I'm not even saying go buy this stuff. I'm not saying that. Just go to thejocostore.com. See if you like it. If you like it, you want one, then you buy one. And that supports the podcast. You know, it's a systemic thing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I didn't mention it this time. But I mentioned it last time. And in my everyday life. And I use it, so. There you go.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. See? And that's what I was going to say where


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's kinda catchy too, so it sticks in your mind.


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[Assistant] When you're talking about every day, it's called every day. I think every day is a Monday that got that one. That's dope.


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[Assistant] No, no. Oh, you're not? No, I'm, I'm working diligently and I'm going for quality, not, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the, and that's where that kind of experience, well and training, uh, come in and a lot of it can be things that aren't really conscious to. And it comes with like, let's say, you know, in a relationship situation. Let's say I know you.


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[Assistant] You can tell when something's off just a little bit. Be like, hey, is something bothering you? The guy be like, oh no, no, all good. And they can, you know, they can be real convincing with, yeah, yeah, no, I'm all good. But you, you know, your instinct because you have so much experience with them, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's crazy how like, you hear that talking police, you know, like cops have like good instincts because of like the repetitious patterns of bad guys.


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[Assistant] Like he's mellow, but if a guy's being like too aggressive or too defensive or too nice, they can tell. You know, there's something I'm suspicious, you know? Maybe a new guy might not be able to tell that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's everything too, right? Like even at work, you're gonna train the new guys, but you're not gonna send the new guy, you know, to make contact with the, you know, potential client or something. The big client. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Nah, that's wrong though. Mythology says otherwise you stick a wooden stake in his heart.


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[Assistant] Crucifix will get him if you have faith. Sunlight will kill him. So that was correct.


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[Assistant] Holy water will get them for sure. Affirmative. Yeaah. And uhm, yeaah. Staying correct. Let them dry in the... Yeaah, I don't know what website said cut his head off.


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[Assistant] The, the congruency of, of interest, you know? That's the big one. Cause you can't even think


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[Assistant] I'm sure they're kind of like, you can tell them what you're fighting for, you know, and they can answer you, but you don't feel, it's like, uh, you know, like,


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[Assistant] Your dad tells you, when you're young, your dad tells you, hey, clean your room. I want this room spick and span. And you're like, yea, I'm gonna take this whole mess, I'm just gonna put it in the closet. Just so he'll leave me alone, kind of thing. You know? And then meanwhile, the dad,


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[Assistant] Your dad has his vision is like, like, what's up with you? Why didn't you clean your room? Don't you understand? Kinda thing.


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[Assistant] Thing with the dynamics of Facebook Live, doesn't that defeat the live kind of purpose in a way?


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[Assistant] You know, yes, kinda more lightened up a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, makes sense. But yeah, if it's a live Q&A, you know how like at like the muster or you know when you guys, okay, we're gonna do some Q&A.


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[Assistant] That's an example of like a live Q&A. You don't prepare for those questions, you know?


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[Assistant] Alright, so yeaah, first question. Jocko. An echo. Should you defend bad leaders? Aka your superiors. To your men.


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[Assistant] If I was made to feel better in whatever way, just a little bit better, that pressure release I said, just a little bit better about the mission, okay?


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[Assistant] And I trust you because of how you always handle things or whatever. You know what, alright, it's not the best, funnest, whatever, it's not my first choice, but at least we're doing it together. You know, I trust you and alright, let's do this kind of thing.


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[Assistant] They're like, hey, get into groups, we're gonna do this thing. And uhm, so we got into these groups and we did some


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[Assistant] She was kind of the leader. No one does it, but at that point, she was kind of the little leader, the liaison between the group and the teacher. So she comes back, she's like, she's like, we gotta do it again. And everyone's like, what? She goes, we gotta do it again. Like you could tell she had accepted it.


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[Assistant] We're not gonna complain right now. It was just that little subtle thing, but that's exactly what it did. It kinda, it basically accepted the order that none of us really wanted to hear. But at the same time, she demonstrated that, hey, she feels it too. You know? And let's do it. We did it again, of course, and whatever. I don't even know what grade we have. Got an A+.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was weird that, I mean, I don't know necessarily that she intended to do that, but that was the exact effect. And you can, thinking back, I can see the elements, you know, the little pressure release was her not saying


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[Assistant] Cause it seems like, okay, all that paperwork, it's, it's almost like the paperwork was like an affront. It was like, hey, what? It's us against them kind of thing. Whoever told us to do the paperwork. And you were like, yeah, it's us against them. And we're gonna win this thing. Yeah, exactly. You know, so it's like, you take it to them. That was good.


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[Assistant] Next question. Jako, has there been a situation in which you took something too personally? How do you avoid taking things personally?