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[Assistant] I will smell you. I will hear you. You will eventually move. You will get scared. Your sweat smell changes. Your heart rate's gonna start to pound. I will hear it. You will move a little bit. I'll know where you are. You won't know where I am.


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[Assistant] And it's too late then. I'll find you, I'll take you out there quietly, and then I'll move to your buddy.


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[Assistant] You're just not used to having to do that now. You know, so we talked a lot about different techniques of how to do things.


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[Assistant] There's a lot in here, there's a lot more in book two about being invisible.


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[Assistant] That I thought was, should be classified, I didn't put in there things that I'd rather not.


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[Assistant] You can publish and, you know, you can give to the bad guys and say, here's how you do some of this stuff. But when I meet with those guys, you know, then we can talk about, you know, some of the real techniques and how to build the skill sets to do some of that.


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[Assistant] Still got high performing systems going on, so we're still doing a lot of work with executive teams and, you know.


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[Assistant] Consulting, training, a lot of leadership training. We do, uh, decision making under high stress. We do a lot of that. We still have the, uh, suicide prevention going on using the arsenal assessment that we've created.


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[Assistant] Army's still looking at it, so there's a lot of things like that going on, uhm, working with vets, working with veteran organizations, uhm, to try to, you know, help get these guys back. I mean, it's like, I tell all of them when I work with them.


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[Assistant] The military spent a lot of time, effort and money to train you in a skill set.


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[Assistant] But now I'm out here in the civilian world and I have to find my way around and what to do. Those skills still work. Everything they taught you.


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[Assistant] Planning, organization, all those things that they taught you, they still work out here in the civilian world, in real life. You can apply them. You just have to change that mindset, you know, to, but they still work.


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[Assistant] And you can have a good life. You can manage the stress. And, you know, just like, you know, you'll hear it in book two, but,


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[Assistant] Being positive and helping me accomplish what I'm trying to do.


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[Assistant] You know, when I'm riding in on the scale of the helicopter, being on that insertion, you know, all the adrenaline and cortisol and everything's building up, rather than being afraid and now not being able to think about what I have to do when I get on the ground.


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[Assistant] If I take that and turn it into energy, now I can focus better. I can run faster, jump higher, see better. I can do things much better. Or I can let the fear let me be distracted so much by the bullets and being afraid that I'm going to be hit and focusing on that rather than what I need to do.


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[Assistant] Turn it to positive. Using some of the things that we talked about before. Stress reduction techniques. Just on the skid. Doing the breathing. Doing the box breathing. Going in.


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[Assistant] And helps calm you down, helps you focus, helps you decide where you're gonna go. Using techniques like, you know, the headset. Wow, I mean that made such a difference all of a sudden.


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[Assistant] I could hear what was going on and I didn't have to wait until I stepped off the skid to start adapting and trying to figure out what was happening. I could get it on the way in. You can do that in your everyday life. You don't have to wait till the last second to get information, to find out things.


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[Assistant] So that's just a slang name, you know, cause you hear it as, you know, Willie Pete, Wilson Pickett, uh, I mean, there must be about five different names that the GIs came up with to kind of talk about it, and it's stuck out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's, it's actually white phosphorus. Uh, it's sealed up inside the grenade container.


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[Assistant] Kind of like napalm, it lands on your arm, it'll burn all the way through or until it burns itself out inside you.


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[Assistant] And it's heavy. It's a lot heavier than a regular grenade. And it has a much larger bursting radius. So, if you don't get it out there, you'll get hit with it. And then, the uhm,


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[Assistant] That dense white smoke that's produced with it, it really meets the specifications for a chemical agent.


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[Assistant] Any final thoughts? I appreciate the opportunity to come back and share some of what's in there. I think uhm,


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[Assistant] If people want to, like I said before, get a taste of


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[Assistant] Uh, what the special ops battlefield is like. I, I tried to do that with this.


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[Assistant] Is that- that's a big difference though, right? The winter versus- cause you guys talk about that here.


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[Assistant] You know when you see that snow, some people are quitting straight. Yeaah, he mentioned that, that where it's like yeaah, you fall down in the snow. Like damn, that's just psychologically right out the gate.


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[Assistant] If you give me a minute and a half to like, stretch out.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's good, cause all these things like uhm, you know, when you can kinda compare it to others, and all this stuff, where, cause all-


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[Assistant] I have been guilty of this in the past. Distant past. Where, man, I need like an energy drink or even like one of these little ready to drink proteins or whatever. And...


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[Assistant] And the thing is, that is factually true. Where I'm like, hey man, maybe I'm going into catapult.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's true, Brad. So in a situation like that, this is how it used to be for me, where, hey man.


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[Assistant] You know, when you drink a coffee, you know, it's like, I know what the coffee's gonna do is make me feel more alert, awake, whatever, all that stuff or whatever, but a mix like that, it's funny how all the little cracks in your performance capability, like the little teeny tiny stuff, like whether it be your vision, whether it be just a little ache, whether it be like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Also, originusa.com. This is where you can eat your jeans.


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[Assistant] American made studs, not just jeans obviously, but all American made from the cotton grown in the fields.


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[Assistant] Zero. Button. Button. No, no, no, it's silent, uh, double silent two teeth. Button. Yeah.


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[Assistant] A whole gig. And if you're down for that, that's at originusa.com. Well, a lot of good stuff on there. Gee's on there too. New Gee out. By the way. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Is it Pearl? Nano? Weave? Is that- Nano Pearl. Nano Pearl. I was calling it Nano Pearl. Yeah, yeah. See that one's legit. So I took mine home yesterday. Yup. Yup. Yeah. And I have my old Def-G. I made the little comparison. Let's make it. I step up. I feel you. I feel the upgrade. Yeah, it's good. That's a good one there.


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[Assistant] Yep, it's true, also Jocko's Store, it's called Jocko's Store, this is where you can get your Discipline, Equals, Freedom, Shirts, Hats, Hoodies, if you're representing on this path, and we're on the path.


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[Assistant] Stay on that path. That's what I'm saying. So we're staying on the path, by the way. Yes, sir. And yea, if you're representing on it, that's where you can get your stuff. JunkoStore.com


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[Assistant] Yep. Well the shirt locker shirt, that's like for us enjoying ourselves on the path. You know? So we kinda go outside, color, we color outside the lines every once in a while with the shirt locker stuff. They're fun. New design every month. That's a, that's the subscription one. But, you know, if you're wearing discipline equals freedom and you choose to work out with that shirt,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but a lot of people do that and it's kinda like, cause some jujitsu is like that.


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[Assistant] Jiu-Jitsu is the kind where sometimes you can do that. Cause a lot of it is just natural, you know, muscle memory or whatever. And so you can see, you know, especially in the early rounds where you're warming up or whatever, like people do it. And that's kind of the reason he'll do it. Cause it's kind of like, oh, I don't even have to think when I roll with you. Just relegate to the subconscious mind. I see what you're doing. I see what you're doing.


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[Assistant] So now watch, next time he does that stuff, I'm gonna like go hard or whatever, increase his sense of urgency. Work the gap. Yea, you gotta interrupt his little psychological thing.


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[Assistant] Like Travis Mills, you mentioned the Travis Mills thing, where he was like kind of a higher level, like a high level athlete, like in high school and stuff and got used to it. And we talked about this, about Buds too, with Jason Gardner a little bit, where he was talking about


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[Assistant] If you kind of consider like why is that, so it's kind of like the high level athlete, so to speak, is used to a certain standard of what winning is. I wouldn't even say winning.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, like the, I don't know what you'd call the tonality or whatever, but yeah every once in a while. I didn't think that. I found that to be the case even with like videos I've seen of you, but even more so in person.


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[Assistant] Well, actually to be honest, I did more than ponder just my personal attributes. I pondered like my, kind of my life coming up. You know how you kind of reflect on like, hey wait, what, why am I, first you, first you start to think, oh what attributes do I have and do I lack? And then you're like, why is that? Then you think of your child.


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[Assistant] All this stuff. Where was I successful and why and where was I unsuccessful and why? Kind of a thing. So it's one of those. It's a good reminder. Because the skill part, which, which dawned on me some time ago, kind of like a video game, where


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[Assistant] Like, let's say I wanna be a... I don't wanna say lawyer, but let's say I wanna be a...


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[Assistant] Marketer, maybe a web developer or a coder, like I wanna code, I wanna do coding now. You know, that's a hot, like, or I wanna make apps. Yep. Or something like this, right? You can do it. Yeah, three years, you wouldn't even need three years I don't think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I paid money for courses for sure, like Skillshare, but it's like a membership to, like Skillshare for example, that's like a membership thing, so you can- How much is it? I don't know.


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[Assistant] True. 100% self-taught, right? You don't need, so anyway, anyway, the point is we think of skills as like something that, you know, you can get, which is true. It's even more true now. But attributes is the thing that inform the skill, as it were.


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[Assistant] Which we don't, I mean, of course, I think we do think about that, but we don't think of it as something to pay attention to. You know? Where it's like, yea, you can work on your weaknesses and, and, and that kind of thing, but it's like, not in that specific way. It was a good reminder, I thought.


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[Assistant] And something I'll always like keep in mind too about like people who keep, you keep around, right? Like you, you say it don't have like yes men or whatever. It like, this kinda in a small way illustrated like how important it is to like not to have a yes men. So, which one? He was talking about some ten, or some, uh, attributes that are like vampires. You can't see them in yourself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's like the, the plan works. But if you keep people around, whether you be family, friends, or whatever that are, that, that will, and if you indicate to them, hey, I'm working on this part of it or whatever, maybe, you know, keep your eye open for this kind of thing, and they can kind of help you with that stuff. Seems like, so it's like a workaround.


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[Assistant] So I got some oak meat, by the way. Oh nice. And, so I'm like, okay, yeah, this is some like, the good stuff, you know, I make up my little, I got some recipes, don't worry, I'll tell you about them later.


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[Assistant] Yes, perfect. Right? I have, okay, I got the 50 grams of protein from the elk meat. Right? Then I got the 30 grams with the drink. They're ready to go. Oh man, 80 grams, just like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Iconic. Do you know specifically what's going in there?


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[Assistant] On me. Cause I figure, and I'm just, the only reason I ask is when I used to frequent GNC from time to time, I'd go in there for specific stuff. So it would be what, protein, pre-workout,


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[Assistant] I know I am. Discipline equals freedom. Good. There's a, there's a good version shirt on the shirt lock coming out. Oh really? It's just a hint. Been a while. Little heads up. It's a good one. It's a little bit more, more like subtle. Okay.


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[Assistant] Either way. Yeah, you wanna represent? JockoStore.com. Also, I mentioned this shirt, Locko, which is a new shirt every month. Some cool, like, new designs every month.


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[Assistant] People seem to like that one, but yeaah, look at that, check that one out. We, I put on, uhm, what do you call it, like a, we call it a sneak peek. It's like a little close up of part of the design so you can kind of get a hint of what the next design is. So if you want to check it out before you sign up or whatever, but nonetheless, just go to jocostore.com.


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[Assistant] That, well, I hear good things. I've heard about, you know, they give, uhm, people all kinds of random pets, and yeaah, they get, they get like half, cause they have more of a purpose they can take care of it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that feels like it might deep jam somebody up for sure. Yeah. I've heard it with like dogs, uh, cats, rabbits. You know, people just have a pet to take and kind of take care of. Yeah. Kind of companionship scenario.


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[Assistant] Oh, like a, wait, I thought he was a regular martial artist, like traditional martial artist.


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[Assistant] Old movie. Yeaah, I kind of vaguely remember that. Yeaah, it's called The Last Dragon, which was the, uh, black re- you know how they do like the black version of a like movie?


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[Assistant] Is it a spoof? It's like kind of a spoof, yeaah.


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[Assistant] And then I would like talk some trash or whatever and you'd be like, whatever then, I'll see you at noon.


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[Assistant] I don't. Oh, how do you power your arm? Like, USB or something like that?


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[Assistant] You know which one stuck with me? Which one? Like, in day to day, that dog don't hunt. Sometimes bro, you just gotta let it go. And you know, you get, and I get it, and I said that thing earlier for a reason, where it's like it trickles down to your everyday life. Because that's what most of us are dealing with most of the time.


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[Assistant] Even the small problems. And even Travis, he does such a good job in saying, hey, I realize my situation is very extreme compared to other people's bad situations.


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[Assistant] And really, he's, I'll even go one further and be like, hey, these principles apply to things that you wouldn't even look at and be like, oh, that's a bad situation. Just like, you, it's a, it's a way to choose to look at certain situations if they don't go the way that you wanted them to go in that moment. Super small situations. If you just, the idea if you just take that one, where that dog don't hunt.


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[Assistant] Bruh, the idea of just, just let it go, bro. Just let it go, instead of looking, you know how they say, don't look behind, look forward, you know, move forward. Bruh, that's a big deal when you can remember it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, yeah, so, and what I really meant, cause only because, cause I rethought about it the whole thing when I said it too. I was like, wait, I don't even know if me saying it the way I did is as accurate as the message I was trying to say, given what Travis said. Cause he was talking about like, oh, I want to stay slim, you know, when you're, when you're running a calorie deficit, right? You ever heard of that?


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[Assistant] We're on a calorie deficit because you wanna lose weight, alright, the right, the correct way and all this stuff.


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[Assistant] What I'm saying is, if you're not necessarily quote unquote focusing on a calorie deficit,


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[Assistant] Oh yea, jockelstore.com. That's the Discipline Equals Freedom branch of this whole representation thing that we're doing on the path. So yea, Discipline Equals Freedom, good. You know, all that, all that, uh, type of stuff. So jockelstore.com.


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[Assistant] You can get the past shirts, yes. If you subscribe, like if you subscribe, shirt locker, you subscribe right now. But you want the shirt, you also want the shirt from last year, I don't know, October, whatever, last year, yes, you can get it.


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[Assistant] That I'm never going to emulate that. There was obviously some great people at the academy and I learned from some great folks. We had, uh, and there's an orchestrated effort to teach, uh, to teach that. I remember General Krulak coming in as the, uh, command out of the Marine Corps and talking about his experience in Vietnam. I mean, there's a number of leaders like that that would come in to talk.


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[Assistant] And I think the difference though between when I was going through


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[Assistant] Uh, the academy I graduated, I went there in 94, graduated in 98, was that there just wasn't a real war going on. And there was a real lack of, I think, actual combat experience. And so I think people trained the best they could and tried to set people up for success.


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[Assistant] For people to lose that, that concept of they're thinking, Oh, I'm prepared. Oh, I'm ready to go. Oh, I've, I've got this figured out until you get thrown into a situation that's overwhelming and totally chaotic and you have no idea what's going on and what the enemy is doing. And I think that's the, that's what I love about when you were running training attachment is, is.


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[Assistant] It was, it was to test people and put them in the worst case scenario, uh, that we could think about so that we could survive that. And it's, you know, as, as you instilled in me and everybody that you worked with, that that's the duty of a leader is to make sure that your people are prepared.


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[Assistant] To be able to go out into a realistic scenario that they might encounter and be successful. And of course on the battlefield, that's, you know, that's, that's,


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[Assistant] Going out and trying to accomplish your mission and bring all your guys home alive, uhm, which is, uh, which can be an extremely difficult thing, obviously. So, uh, I think it's a, it's a good reminder to everybody. Uhm, and I think that's, you know, going through my time in the academy and my time in the service fleet, excuse me, before I joined the SEAL teams, I think that's the, that's,


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[Assistant] There were a lot of great people that mentored me and passed on some great lessons learned. But I think really, when we started working together,


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[Assistant] And that was my first encounter of it. You had just come back from a whole bunch of combat experience as a platoon commander.


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[Assistant] And you're talking about lessons that you learned and mistakes that were made and really analyzing that in great detail and applying that. And of course that's exactly what we did when we came back from Ramadi.


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[Assistant] Uh, to take, you know, take over different, you took over Training Detached, but I took over the junior officer training course to teach the next generation of CO officers going through our training pipeline and to try to set them up for success and prepare them for these incredibly tough challenges they would come up against on the battlefield.


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[Assistant] The resistance to that too is that people think they're good to go. They totally think they're good to go.


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[Assistant] Just, just like if you'd asked me as young Lieutenant Leif Babb and Charlie Lieutenant Commander in Tasking in a Bruiser before we deployed to Ramadi, if, you know, was I ready for some tough urban combat?


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[Assistant] You let us brush up against the guardrails of failure and, and it opened our minds and, you know,


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[Assistant] The desert, we're running with our platoons doing our immediate action drills, which is like a, a playbook for like a play you'd run in football, you know, or basketball when you get shot at. So react to contact drill and you said, how are you guys doing with it? With your, your IETs immediate action drills.


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[Assistant] Uh, we don't know as much as we think we do. I think we came, we, we both were kind of like talking about it on the way back from the, the, uh, uh, out, you know, out of the training range. And so we come back and I remember going up to you like, Hey Jaco.


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[Assistant] Let's talk to those immediate action drills. And so now our minds are open. Now we went, you know, stood around the whiteboard. We're talking about, uh, okay, if you get attacked from this direction, now what do you do? And we start just making those calls, role playing the scenarios. And that's that informal training you're talking about, but it's so hard to do that because it's real easy. We've been super easy for you.


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[Assistant] You had a ton of experience, you've been in the teams for a long time as an enlisted SEAL, and you just come back from a significant combat appointment, you had a bunch of experience, and you could have easily said like,


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[Assistant] And that indirect approach that you always took with us. The other thing that stands out to me too is, you know, oftentimes, uh, the training, training standards going through training, our, our steel instructor cadre that put us through training. We were going through our workup cycle and tasking a bruiser was outstanding and they pushed us hard and, and they certainly taught us a lot, uh, and put us in some challenging training scenarios.


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[Assistant] But I remember several times whether we were out in the desert going through our land warfare block or going through our close quarters combat, uh, block in, in urban, you know, combat training scenario and them saying, Hey, you guys are good to go.


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[Assistant] You're good to go. And I remember you pulling me and Seth aside and saying, Hey, what do you guys think? Do you think we're ready for the worst case scenario?


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[Assistant] And, and, and when you asked me that question, I mean, we kinda looked at each other and were like,


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[Assistant] I don't think so. I think we need to do, let's do a couple more runs. And that was always like, let's do, let's do one more run. Let's do two more runs. And we would, we would do extra training just based on the scenario. And I think you, you kept us focused on just like that letter, which is,


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[Assistant] You know, whether you're a police officer thinking, you know, you're, uh, what's the worst case scenario? Hey, I haven't encountered the worst case scenario yet. So, um, or whether you're, you know, on a construction site, I haven't encountered that worst case scenario. So maybe it won't happen in that complacency starts to creep in. So I think that kept us focused on, Hey, are we ready for that?


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[Assistant] And I think when you're a leader and you're thinking about what is that worst case scenario, are we actually prepared for that? If you can't answer that question, the affirmative.


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[Assistant] Man, cause what, what's the, the, what's the harm in training too hard?


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[Assistant] And I remember those discussions. You're like, look, if, if it's not that hard and you don't lose a bunch of guys on target. Cool.


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[Assistant] It's super easy. Like wow, training was way harder than actual combat operations. Uh, but if.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, the reverse of that situation is horrible, right? We were not prepared and you know what? We got a bunch of guys killed and we weren't able to accomplish our mission because we didn't train hard enough. We didn't, we didn't hold the standard high enough.


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[Assistant] You know what, I was just, I was just kind of breaking this down in my mind about why that was helpful because there's no question, you're 100% right, from altitude you can see it.


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[Assistant] But we actually had a playbook. You know, we had a whole playbook of, uh, of these like, I think they were in PowerPoint. And so it's like, and so a couple, I think there's two things that I think in my mind. One is,


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[Assistant] It was daunting because there's, there is a playbook of like a hundred different things and so it's, oh I gotta memorize all this stuff.


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[Assistant] So then, and that, that broke it down and made it, it simplified it so we could better understand it. We're either, we're gonna move right or left. We're gonna, we're gonna use cover and move. There's gonna be a base of, that's laying down, uh, fire while another unit's gonna maneuver either forward or back.


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[Assistant] And I think just breaking, just simplifying it all down. So it wasn't this like, oh, if this happens, I have to do this and memory. It's overwhelming to try to memorize all these different plays. And then secondly,


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[Assistant] Even though that's an overhead view, when you're looking at it on like a PowerPoint presentation, it's not, it's not dynamic. Yeah, you don't have to think about what's happening. And so that's, that's what I think opened my mind too, is we're looking at these magnates, because now instead of just, oh okay, strong right means these guys are gonna go to the right.


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[Assistant] Do I want to go all the way over there where I can't see these guys and they can't see me? You know, I need to make some adjustments. So you realize that there's flexibility in this as well.


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[Assistant] Whatever distance, uhm, you know, is specified in the, uh,


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[Assistant] In the, in the PowerPoint presentation. So those two things, I think one, the simplification of it. So it's not just memorize all these things. It's actually fairly a simple concept. You're going forward, you're going back, you're going right, you're going left. It's all cover move. That's the only tactic as you, as you broke down.


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[Assistant] You know, for us and then, uh, and then that it's dynamic and how, how you can take this play and make adjustments for the terrain, make adjustments for the enemy being in two different locations. And, and, and that just opened up the, our minds. I think they're like, okay, now I can apply this in the real world.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the previous, we, we did in just, just a couple weeks of it, uh, right before we left, uh, and it just based on some feedback and we were kind of scrambling to make that happen. Uh, but the, the, the, the guys that took over the mission had nothing. They just jumped right into it.


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[Assistant] I learned a lot from a lot of great, wonderful people and they taught me how to take care of my people and, and, uh, they taught me about what my role as an officer was and we learned a lot about, you know, administrative duties and, you know, how to navigate ships and, and, uh, set up, uh,


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[Assistant] Of my buds instructors had any kind of combat experience when I was going through. I mean, we, I got picked up for, you know, September 2001.


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[Assistant] And then I went through training in 2002 and they were great people and they, they taught me and, and pushed me. Um, but I think that level of, of recognition of.


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[Assistant] This is hard, and, and if you're not ready for, for this worst case scenario, like you're gonna get killed, you're gonna get captured, all these horrible things are gonna happen, like what the stakes are, why the standards, you know, should be pushed, should be pushed that, that hard, and I think that's,


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[Assistant] Someone like Steve Brzenka was asking those questions regularly, you know, to young Hackworth and his, uh, his peers. Uhm, just to, to push that of the culture of like, this is what we gotta be ready for. We have to be ready for the worst case scenario. Uhm, and I think if you don't...


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's like the person that, that doesn't train jiu-jitsu, uhm, and thinks, K, they're an athlete, you know, maybe they're a vet, they can take care of themselves, you know, they're, uh, they're, they're 5 and 0 in the streets or the, the bar fights they've been in their life, and then they walk 5 and 0 against my little brother.


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[Assistant] I'm not near as good as I thought I was. That guy who's half my size just choked me out in about 30 seconds. So I think anytime that that's what training should be is, you know, is setting people up for, uh, for, as you said, pushing them. And it's not an immediate thing that, but certainly iterative steps like that. But I think for the folks that know better.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and there have been many people like that throughout my career, certainly, um, you know, that, uh, that took the time to train and mentor me and pass on lessons learned, uh, and I think that's, um,


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[Assistant] That's, you know, as I took over, as we came back from Ramadi, was just...


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[Assistant] Someone like, you know, Prezenka saw the battle of the bulge. I mean, every time I read about history and I think I've experienced something in combat, you're like, man, I haven't, I haven't done anything. I haven't seen anything. You read about how, what others have been through and what they've done.


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[Assistant] And I just, I think taking over the, the junior officer training course, I always was just trying to think,


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[Assistant] What I wish someone had taught me before I was in those, those positions, um, and, and trying to pass those lessons on. I know that's exactly what you did at Trendy Attachment and not just to the officers, but to the, the chiefs and to the, the squad leaders and the fire team leaders and the individual shooters that are, uh, that are stepping up, uh, and, and I think, um,


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[Assistant] That's gotta be the culture of the team. And, and so it becomes not just leaders holding their people accountable, but other people on the team that realize what the standards are and why we gotta be better. We gotta set the standard. We gotta, we gotta push hard. They understand when everybody on the team understands why, then you've got this peer pressure that says, Hey man,


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[Assistant] Your gear's not squared away. What's up with that? You know, that's, that's not what we do here. You better get your stuff ready to go. And uh, I think that's, that becomes just powerful at every level of, of an organization when that's the culture of the team.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we had four weeks of classroom, a week on field training exercise, and I tried to cram as much of that stuff as I could in. Obviously the, you were the, you know, the first person coming to talk to those, the Jocko brief.


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[Assistant] But I think one of the things I was most proud of is, you know, I think for a lot of guys like me that came out of the Naval Academy or ROTC or OCS that weren't a Mustang officer, somebody who was, you know, commissioned prior enlisted.


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[Assistant] I didn't really have that visibility. It's harder to realize that you got those eyes on you, uhm, you know, from the folks on your team that are looking at you.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I, I just got to, they got to sit in there and hear, okay, what did you respect in, in the officers that, that, uh, that you admire and you like working for? What did you not respect? You know, what, what did you, uh,


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[Assistant] What are some things that people did that, that lost respect, you know, and, and that, or that you had disdain for, uhm, and so they got to see that perspective. And, and I think it's hard to see that. It's, it's hard to detach and see how the world views you.


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[Assistant] Um, some people do that better than others. Uh, it's certainly not innate, I think in most of us. And, uh, and I think that was something that you certainly instilled in me and, and I try to instill in others as well when they can see that perspective of.


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[Assistant] You set the example though, Jaco, and that's what you're talking about, right? As a leader, you've got to set the example for the culture. And whether it was going out and picking up brass, I've never seen anyone do that before. There wasn't even an expectation that you'd be there to help pick up brass.


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[Assistant] You might think this is weird, but in the SEAL teams...


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[Assistant] Uh, seals absolutely hate diving and getting in the water for whatever reason. Many seals. Some seals, yes, many seals. And they would try to do everything they can to avoid it to be in wet, you know, cold water. And, uh, we used to joke with Chris Kyle about that. He'd be like, no, we have some sniper training set up.


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[Assistant] I remember as we were briefing, uh, for, before, uh, cop Falcon and launching on that, uh, that, that, that I remember Colonel Tedesco standing up and saying, this is the most historic thing that, that the 137 bandits have been a part of since the, since the Ardennes forest.


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[Assistant] And you know, it just, I think living that history and making sure that everybody's aware of that stuff, it was, I was all fired up too. I'm like, let's do this. This is awesome.


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[Assistant] I was going to say that Napoleon's quote about, it's incredible what a man will do and risk his life for a worthless piece of ribbon. And I think just that public recognition of effort is awesome. Anytime that you can do that to show people what the standard looks like. And I just wanted to say too, when you're talking about mitigating


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, underperformance. I mean, we wrote in extreme ownership. It's not what you preach, what you tolerate. You, you have to hold the standard high. You have to push the standard high for all the reasons we just talked about to prepare people and make sure that they're ready to go take on the real world challenges that they're up against so they can be successful in what they're trying to do, you know, in business and life, uh, anywhere.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it doesn't have to be drop the hammer on people. And I think that's, that's often times when I think about how you, you know, typically did that in tasking a bruiser.


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[Assistant] That's going to affect what, you know, our employment overseas and how we're actually going to be utilized and affects everybody, not just you, but every single person on the team. And so I think it just, whether you're asking some earnest questions and letting them come to that.


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[Assistant] That, that, uh, example or, or just saying like, Hey, we need to, let's redo that. We're going to redo something that needs to be redone until we get to the, the quality that we need to, or we have the standard that's actually achieved. Um, and I think just making sure that you're, you're holding the line on that. And it doesn't have to be like you screwed up. I'm dropping the hammer. It can simply just be, um, Hey, do you think that helps us?


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's, that's, I can't help but imagine that played certainly a significant role in that decision.


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[Assistant] But there is something, you know, about, about naming, you know, and when you, you had, uh, General Mukiyama on, he was talking about a hack worth, uh, he, he used words to motivate. And I think, you know, whether it's changing the name from tasking braver to tasking a bruiser, uh, you know, or, or the hard luck battalion to the hardcore recondos.


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[Assistant] There's something powerful in that. And then when you're talking about patches, when you're talking about, uhm, you know, gear, the deathcore, you know, symbol, like there is...


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[Assistant] Uh, y-you realize you're representin' for that. You can see that. Cary's like, I'm representin' for DevCorp. This is what we gotta think about. And-and, uh, that-that is a high standard.


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[Assistant] That we all have to work to achieve, um, the highest possible standard all the time. And I think the more that you do that, I think as a leader, it just, it just builds that into the culture of the team, uh, where people take real pride in that. And, uh, it's, it's,


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[Assistant] It's a pretty special thing. I think when you can look around and look at other folks and they don't have that patch, you're someone with that patch. And that's, you know, even I know like for Stoner and his guys, uhm, when they get, they were given that, you know, that spade patch by the first of 506.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Task Force Red Kerr, he, you know, one of the first Airborne guys.


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[Assistant] Dude, I remember when we started working together in tasking at a bruiser and one of my good buddies from, uh, SEAL Team 5. I'd just, I'd been at SEAL Team 5, so I'd spent two years there, you know, my first combat deployment to Iraq and done their work up and then I shifted over to SEAL Team 3 and I remember him saying,


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[Assistant] He was, uh, you know, he knew Seth Stone as well, so we're all hanging out together. And he came out and met me, you, and Seth out when we were in Task and a Bruiser. And he was like, all you guys sound the same.


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[Assistant] That's a powerful culture. When everyone's thinking the same way, uhm, we know what we're gonna do and we can make decisions about what we need to do. Oh, there's a challenge. There's an obstacle that comes up.


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[Assistant] No force, no US force have been in there. Uhm, are you sure you wanna go there? We're gonna BTF. We're gonna BTF in, big mix it up, BTF out, and go get some big chow.


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[Assistant] When there's something hard that's going on, when there's something difficult, when people are having to stay late or work on the weekends, that is an opportunity, that's a softball that's getting pitched at you for you to just crack out of the park when you show up.


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[Assistant] Don't miss an opportunity like that when, uh, when there's something hard going on. Sure. It's easy to stay in your bed or not come in earlier, stay late or miss watching your kids soccer game on the weekend or whatever it may be. Uh, but if your people are there working, there's something hard going on.


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[Assistant] Go get in there. Go, go set the example. Uhm, it's such an awesome opportunity, uh, to, uh, to be a part of the, part of the team and, and create that culture. And there's other people gonna do that too. They're gonna emulate that behavior if, if you do it as well. No doubt about it.


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[Assistant] I've certainly messed it up and I think there's a, it's a real trap, I think, for young leaders because they want to be liked. You know, you want to, you think, oh, a good relationship is about if my people like me and I, I see this with business leaders that we work with. I want my people to be happy and the happier they are and the more excited they are to come to work then, you know, the better job they'll do.


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[Assistant] And, and, and it's a trap that leads you down the road if you let people cut corners. Okay, they show up, they show up late, they go home early.


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[Assistant] I think the recognition I had to come to was that taking care of my people meant looking out for their long-term good, their overall success, their ultimate success, not just the immediate, like, sure, would they like to go home early?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can let him go home early, but then guess what? Then we get behind on the project. Now all of a sudden we're in crunch time so that we, you know, either we're going to fail, which is bad for everybody.


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[Assistant] I think thinking about what the long term success, you know, looks like and, uh, back to what we're talking about with training. I mean, just making sure those standards are set high.


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[Assistant] So that people are ready for the worst case scenario they might encounter, whether it's on the battlefield with, with an overwhelming number of enemy who are in greater numbers and maybe they're even, uh, they have greater firepower than we do and attack in our position. Are we ready for that scenario?


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[Assistant] You know, in the business world, is it, are your people ready for, uhm, if you're in the energy or construction, you know, space, you know, for,


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[Assistant] Man, we just came through the Halloween season, he was in the, like, sneaking candy all the time. Like, I, I, what's in your mouth, son? Look, look, he's gone in and grabbed some candy out of the, out of the candy, the candy, you know, basket or whatever that we had for Halloween. Um, and just trying to, you know, teach him.


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[Assistant] Look, I know, I know the candy tastes good, but if all you're eating is candy, you're not going to be strong. You know, you're not going to grow the way you need to. Uhm, your body's addicted to sugar. So I've had to talk to him about why protein's important. And, uh, he, he, uh, he refused to eat his, uh, sausage and eggs for breakfast.


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[Assistant] Was that yester- I think yesterday morning and, uh, instead snuck out the leftover steak. He's eating the steak and he's like, look at my muscles, dad. Yeah. Protein.


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[Assistant] It's not immediate satisfaction. It's not immediate happiness. It's their long-term good.


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[Assistant] And I think one of the biggest examples of that, whether you're talking about in the military and, and these are lessons I tried to pass on, you know, to other leaders or, or when we're working with law enforcement, you know, our first responders, you know, the idea that like you have a close knit unit of people and when those people,


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[Assistant] If, if you're creating the oppression, like taking care of my people means I've got their back no matter what.


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[Assistant] And that's kind of the way we think about it. And when I talk to leaders like, oh yeah, definitely I got their back no matter what. If you are setting the, if you're creating the impression with your team that you have their back no matter what.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you that you are failing them as a leader because you are setting them up for failure. Cause that means you do something bad, you do something illegal, that's immoral, unethical, I'm gonna cover it up for you. I got your back. Instead of, hey man, I'm not gonna let you do that.


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[Assistant] Cause I'm going to look out for you and your best interests. And if you're following everything that you're supposed to be doing, I got your back. Absolutely. But if you stray off the path and you do something that's illegal or a moral unethical that you know you're not supposed to do, I don't have your back.


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[Assistant] And that's, that prevents people from doing that. So I think that's, that's a trap that people fall into as well. I think when you, when you're talking about close knit units that, you know, I'm going to cover for you no matter what instead of.


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[Assistant] No, man, there's, I'm not covering for you no matter what. I'm looking after the overall good of the team and the mission and your overall good. And if you're doing some things that you shouldn't be doing,


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[Assistant] And you start to stray off the path, you know, uh, and, and I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna let you know that you shouldn't do that.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and I'm going to try to steer you back on the path and that's what good leadership looks like. It's, it's not just covering for somebody, no matter what happens. Um, and I think those are traps that, that are easy to fall into, particularly for young leaders that they want, you know, their team to like them.


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[Assistant] Uh, and yet what you have to look out for is their long-term good. That's really what taking care of your people means is you're setting them up for the long-term success so that they can ultimately be successful in their business and life and everything they're trying to do.


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[Assistant] Let me, let me just say something about that letter, man, cause, uh, I remember when you, when you sent that email out, and when you were leaving the Sealed Haves, I remember just thinking,


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[Assistant] Why that's important. Reminding people about what's at stake if they're not doing those things. And who, who is training? Are your enemies out there? They're thinking about you. They're ready. You know, they're, they're committed. They're, they're, they're willing to die. Their weapons are clean.


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[Assistant] And I just thought that was a, that was a powerful note to leave the teams on and to leave your training instructors with. Uh, and that was something that got shared.


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[Assistant] Widely, you know, throughout the SEAL teams, um, and it was a sad day, certainly when you were leaving, but the legacy that you left, uh, of so many incredible, uh, leaders in the SEAL teams that continue to pass those lessons on.


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[Assistant] Um, and across the military, uh, and I think that's what's been so powerful about this podcast is taking those lessons from our, not only our time, but from so many generations, uh, of military leaders across different wars and battlefields and experiences and sharing them with so many people.


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[Assistant] So that they can take and learn those lessons and set the standard high and continue to carry the torch forward.


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[Assistant] Just, I was working out, you know, over the Christmas holidays, but it wasn't like, it wasn't my normal workouts. I wasn't pushing the standard high. Kinda got off the nutrition plan, you know, pretty good.


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[Assistant] And it was, uh, it wasn't good because what that meant was it set me back where I think it was three or four weeks of me not being able to really train hard. Uhm, so.


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[Assistant] What's also about Deaf Reset is you know that there are thousands of other people on that same path, right? That are, that's your accountability buddies out there. Uh, you're like, this is not just me, we're all on this path, we're all doing this stuff together, but it definitely starts now.


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[Assistant] You know, and you gotta scale it too. Look, if you're not training hard, you don't want to start out of the gate super hard like that. But I'm super excited about this year. I think, uh, um, it's been a great program we've run in the past, but I think we've stepped it up this year with Jocko Fuel, Echelon Freud. I think the workouts from Jason Calipa, we did a workout, uh, with him at the origin camp.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he's a phenomenal coach. Just how he breaks things down, uhm, and creates programs that, that, you know, are scalable for whether you're a just ultra athlete or somebody who's just hasn't been in the gym in a while. Uhm, I think it's gonna be an awesome program and, uh, definitely go check that out. It's gonna be, gonna be good times.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a, they basically, it's like a milkshake with a whipped cream on it. It's massive sugar. Is it? Wait, is it?


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[Assistant] So I, the other day, I make them, uh, they're like, we want frozen hot chocolates. So they requested this for breakfast and I made it out of chocolate mulk.


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[Assistant] Before Jocko Go, I never really paid attention to what was in those energy drinks. No, it would pound red bulls or monsters or whatever. And now, I look at that stuff, uhm, you know, if I'm stopping at a store and they don't, they don't carry, uh, Jocko Go, usually I got the stash with me, so I'm good to go.


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[Assistant] I'm repping the shirt locker here today. The shirt locker shirts are awesome because every month a new shirt shows up. Uh, you just sign up for this and it gets shipped to you and you don't know what it's going to be, but they're all cool shirts. And that's, that's like,


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[Assistant] This is the Jocko Podcast number 397 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening.


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[Assistant] Displayed extraordinary leadership, world-class professional expertise and provided unmatched care and treatment for the service members within his command and throughout the naval special warfare community.


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[Assistant] A world renowned orthopedic surgeon and educator, he delivered databases to track treatment efficacy, wearable devices that provided remote assessment of individual motion patterns, and leading edge science that will improve human performance and longevity.


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[Assistant] By his dynamic direction, keen judgment, and loyal dedication to duty, Captain Preventer reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.


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[Assistant] And that is an award. That's actually an understatement.


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[Assistant] Putting broken seals back together.


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[Assistant] I had one of my friends tell me about Doc and he said he repaired both my left and right shoulders. My left one after a vehicle rollover in Iraq 2008. He's been a huge reason I've been able to keep pushing my body so hard.


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[Assistant] Helping hurt and damaged guys come back and operate again.


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[Assistant] I and so many other seals appreciate him with the greatest sincerity.


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[Assistant] And that is the truth. Guys in the SEAL teams get broken. It's a rough job. It is a rough job. And guys like Doc Preventer put us back together again.


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[Assistant] And on top of that, this group that he headed up spearheaded injury prevention.


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[Assistant] Optimal human performance, including strength and conditioning, nutrition, brain health, mental wellness. And they do this with experience, knowledge, and patriotic passion. And an unmitigated commitment to the SEAL teams.


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[Assistant] After being the lead medical officer for the SEAL teams for almost a decade and then working at Mass General in Boston and being the head team physician and medical doctor for the New England Patriots, Doc Provencher certainly has some incredible knowledge on all these different topics.


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[Assistant] And it's an honor to have him here tonight to pass on his experiences and lessons learned.


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[Assistant] Pleasure, thank you, truly honored to be here tonight.


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[Assistant] And I believe, the first time I remember interacting with you, was to check, uh, my bicep, which had been injured, I was doing jiu-jitsu, and my, my bicep had popped, made a noise, and I came in to the, what do you call it, the Human Performance Center? What was it called?


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[Assistant] And I see Jason who's, who, who'd help me with some little tweaks here and there to look at my bicep.


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[Assistant] You did an assessment of my bicep. What was your assessment of my bicep?


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[Assistant] So you said to me, hey look, Jaco, here's the situation. You got a torn bicep and this won't heal. This is, you need to get surgery and you scheduled the surgery right there. You had the little computer system, you scheduled the surgery and it was maybe three, four weeks away and you said, okay, Ian,


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[Assistant] Whatever. This date, come back in here for your pre-operation check. I said Roger that. You know, I'm one of those people, if I got a problem and you tell me how I'm going to fix it, I'm ready to go. Like, I'm not going to wait around. Let's do it.


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[Assistant] I come back three weeks later for my pre-op, pre-operation tests, check up, and you're there, and you look at my bicep and what had happened.


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[Assistant] So there you go Echo Charles. So Echo has, he, he told me when I first explained this, cause he's had both biceps torn, both bicep tendons torn. He's had surgery on both arms. And I told him after his first one or maybe after second one, I said, you know, when I, that happened to me, I just healed it. And he did not believe me.


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[Assistant] He did not believe me. It wasn't until we had Doc Parsley on here and confirmed, and now we've got the second witness.


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[Assistant] I've, I feel like I'm pretty lucky. I've been, you know, actually Echo, you described to me one time.


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[Assistant] As being durable. And I would say I'm not, I'm definitely not the strongest person, I'm not the fastest person, I'm not the smartest person, but my durability level seems to be good. We're appreciative of that.


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[Assistant] Doc, seriously, uhm, all the guys know what you've done in the SEAL teams and how many people you've helped. And it's not just the SEAL teams because you were working on everybody in the military and we'll get into that. But let's start off with the beginning. Let's start off with how you became who you are. Let's go. Where'd you start? Born in New Hampshire? Is that right?


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[Assistant] He graduated. What made him make that decision?


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[Assistant] Did you, so did you know from basically this time you started looking at colleges that you were gonna try and go to the Naval Academy?


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[Assistant] And you, but you get into the naval academy and you show up to, uh, cleave summer. How's that go?


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[Assistant] Is when you get your medical. And how long after you get your medical do they look at you and say, hey, you can't see well enough to have any of these jobs that you want to have.


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[Assistant] What was it that was in your mind, cause...


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[Assistant] So you decide at that point, like, that's what it took? Did you, that was it?


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[Assistant] So they gave you some kind of a normal job, some kind of a gap-filled job, and then you could go to school. Where were you going to school?


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[Assistant] When I was reading your bio, I was like, Oh, he was going there with a big fat paycheck. I didn't know that you, they, they took your, uh, pay away from you. That's rough.


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[Assistant] But they rejected you because you were a post-grad? Too old, yeaah. Now, while you're there, is that when you picked orthopedics?


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[Assistant] And that's the weird thing about orthopedics is you're basically a carpenter or a welder. Like you have a job.


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[Assistant] Now in the civilian world you'd go when you get done, and correct me if I'm wrong because I don't know, but in a civilian world you'd get done with medical school and then you'd go do your residency, right? Correct. That's the right pattern. So that's basically what you do.


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[Assistant] At this juncture in your career, you get done with Dartmouth, you graduate.


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[Assistant] So that's where, this is 1998 when you get out here for the first time?


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[Assistant] And now you're just, you, you check into, uh, Balboa. Is this the residency like my friend, Dr. Peter Attia, who did his residency at, at Johns Hopkins and it was.


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[Assistant] He tells the stories of just no sleep, you know, working 36 and 48 hour shifts. Was it like that at Balboa for your residency? Was there some kind of control?


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[Assistant] So what's your job like when you get to Balboa? And this is, so this is 1998, 1999. There's no war going on. You're dealing with kind of normal injuries, like family injuries. People, you know, accidentally, you know, cut themselves with a knife and they come in or they break their leg on the playground or playing basketball. That's what you're dealing with at this point.


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[Assistant] And that's because you were in a position where you were kind of the guy. That's right. And you were the one that answered the mail on whatever injuries were coming across. Yeah.


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[Assistant] 2004, 2005, this is when we're in Iraq, this is when the marines are, cause you're seeing almost all marines, I'm assuming.


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[Assistant] For these wounds, yeaah, for sure. Because the army would go to, they'd come home to different, to army hospitals, but marines are gonna come to the navy hospitals.


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[Assistant] When the Kasavak birds or Medevak birds are coming back, these are C-17s, they're coming back with a lot of


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[Assistant] Wounded Personnel on him. So what are you getting like 20 people at a time 30 people at a time coming in?


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[Assistant] Uhm, looking at a wound, let's say, pre-911, you're at Balboa, there's a car accident. You know, a bad car accident.


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[Assistant] What's that wound compared to someone that was in a Humvee, armored Humvee, unarmored Humvee, and they, they hit a roadside bomb, they hit an IED. What's the difference between those two scenarios from a medical perspective?


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[Assistant] What is it like when you're living, where did you live in San Diego?


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[Assistant] So you live in Coronado, probably one of the most beautiful, uh, picturesque places in the world to live.


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[Assistant] You turn on the TV, you see that there's a war going on, but you walk outside and it's 70 degrees and sunny. You get in your car, you drive to Balboa and you see these, these wounded warriors that are just devastated by these wounds. And you're doing that day in, day out. What is, what is that like from a,


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[Assistant] I don't want to say a psychological perspective because I don't want to get too like crazy as if I'm a psychologist, but that has to be an interesting dynamic to be living in San Diego. It's 75 degrees and sunny. It's a beautiful day.


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[Assistant] You flip on the TV, you see that the push is going into Fallujah, you see the push is going into Ramadi, you see Tal Afar, you, you, oh, you see that this is happening. I mean, I can only imagine when you see the Marines going into Fallujah in 2004, you're thinking, okay, we got


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[Assistant] We gotta be ready, and then sure enough, 24, 48 hours later, you're getting, you start to receive these wounded warriors. What is that? What is that like when you think back on that time period? It had to be, it had to be, had to be very, uhm,


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[Assistant] Almost like a surreal moment to, to, to watch something on TV and then deal with these wounded warriors.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know that I got home from my last deployment and I just was...


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[Assistant] I've probably been home for less than a day and was going to grab something to eat with my wife and I'm just walking down uhm, the street in OB, Ocean Beach and I just remember looking and there was clearly


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[Assistant] There was no war going on. They were doing what they were doing. And I remember thinking to myself,


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[Assistant] I kind of was, I was thinking I should just tell all these people, hey, you know, there's a, there's a freaking war going on right now and you should be appreciative of the fact that you're standing in line to get an ice cream.


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[Assistant] That's the way it is. And I just kind of like accepted the fact that


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[Assistant] These people are never gonna think about it. They're never gonna think about it. That three miles away in Balboa, there's a...


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[Assistant] Young Marine that's struggling to stay alive or struggling to keep his leg or he's gonna lose his leg or lose his arm or whatever. And they can just, just kind of ignore it. So uhm.


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[Assistant] It's, it's very, it's, it's a dichotomy inside this country that's, can be, if you, if you let it make you angry, it can definitely make you angry. If you let it get to you, it can definitely get to you. But if you look at it,


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[Assistant] You know, I remember one time, uh, one of my kids, you know, told me that the wifi in their bedroom wasn't strong enough, you know.


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[Assistant] And, you know, I thought, and then I said to myself, you know, as these kids get older, you know, I'm going to make sure that they understand that there's a lot more important things and there's people that, there's people in the world that have, uh, a lot less, a lot, a lot bigger things to worry about than you do. So I kind of got that feeling too for the country, like, okay,


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[Assistant] You know, they're, they're gonna stand in line, they're gonna get ice cream.


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[Assistant] And it would be nice if they recognized and I think that's one of the one of the reasons that I do this podcast is just so people can hear from.


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[Assistant] People that have served people that have sacrificed or hear stories of people that have served and people that have sacrificed and that's why I mean, you know, even as I'm sitting here thinking about you.


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[Assistant] You're, you're in Coronado, like I said, one of the most picturesque places in the world. You got your family, your family's doing what families do, right? They're playing their sports and they're hanging out, they're going to the beach, and yet, every day, you've gotta go in and, and


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[Assistant] How totally different these, these worlds can be. And it's, it's really important for people to pay attention to that and understand that that there's a lot of suffering going on. And even though maybe your little bubble of the world is, is, is happy, just pay attention to the fact that there's a lot of suffering going on out there. When did you start working with NSW?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Somebody in NSW, and I wish I knew who it was, it's weird, when something gets developed in NSW, and I've been using the term NSW, that's Naval Special Warfare, that encompasses all of the special operations elements within the US Navy. And so, when something happens in NSW,


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[Assistant] I can tell you right now, a human being had to take that thing and force it to happen and it took them years to get a foothold.


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[Assistant] Whoever, and I don't know who it is, maybe you do, whoever decided, alright, we're gonna do some kind of a human performance, we're gonna get athletic trainers in here, we're gonna get the guys healed up, we're gonna do injury prevention with them.


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[Assistant] Whoever started that probably had to work for two and a half years and finally were able to hire one guy.


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[Assistant] And so whoever that was, thank you. And was Jason the first guy that got hired?


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[Assistant] To a degree that's just incredible. And he's done that for all of, like every guy that would get injured, could get surgery, get banged up. He was just there, committed to him all the time. And then, and then the rest of the team followed suit. That's what you got. We got this incredible group together that


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[Assistant] Would provide this amazing service and they also had a different, you know, you go to a regular doctor.


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[Assistant] And the regular doctor might think, oh you got hurt. Cool, we'll get you as much time off as we can.


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[Assistant] But the seal attitude is I got hurt and I want to get back in the game tonight. Like I gotta, I want to go tonight. Oh you can't go tonight? Tomorrow I want to get back in the game. So Jason and the rest of the team understood that their mission and their goal and our goal was to get back to work. And that's a lot different than


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[Assistant] I'm preserving, you know, I'm going to be in perfect shape and everything's going to be hunky-dory. I mean, it's not going to be that way. If you're in the SEAL teams, just like in MMA fighting, you don't get to go into a fight 100%. You don't get to do. Like, you're going to be injured. You're going to be sore.


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[Assistant] Bruised rib, you're gonna have a tweaked neck, your shoulder's gonna be sore. That's the way it's gonna be, and you still gotta go out there and fight. And I think Jason and the rest of the team, you guys, realized, alright, we need to make sure these guys can get the job done, but we can't, they're, they're not gonna allow themselves to be babied and coddled.


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[Assistant] So the tactical athlete program that you guys sketched out, that was focused on athletic trainers like


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[Assistant] The, the sleep people, they started looking at hormones, they started looking at everything to try and get the guys up to speed. And I saw it grow, like you said, from


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[Assistant] Jason and it just escalated escalated escalated till we had a good freaking world-class The other interesting thing was I remember talking I think this guy was a person that worked at Bud's But it's the it's a similar thing and he had come from some professional sports team I think the NFL and he had said, you know when I was in the NFL every six months I'd see one


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[Assistant] Uh, patellofemoral syndrome, which is, you know, a problem that you get with your knee.


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[Assistant] He says here, I saw nine yesterday. Like the amount of injuries that guys get is crazy. And so you, you guys in this department got so much experience working on the shoulders, working on the knees, working on the lower back, working on the elbows, working on the wrists, working on the neck. Like the guys are just dinged up.


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[Assistant] To a point that, and you know, people talk about the NFL, how long, what's the average NFL, uh, guy plays what, like six years? Is like the average?


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[Assistant] 3.8 something. Yea. You're getting dinged up. Well, the SEALs, most guys stay in. Look, some guys get out at 6 years or whatever. Most guys stay in. Most guys do 20 years, at least. And they're


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[Assistant] They're doing deployment after deployment after workup after workup after deployment after. So these guys are getting dinged up.


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[Assistant] And yet, they still wanna play that game. They still wanna get in there. And so, you guys put this together.


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[Assistant] What were some of the key components that you would say for, for, cause this is what, you know, so many people that listen to this podcast, they, they wanna, they wanna perform better, they want that longevity, they wanna be, they wanna optimize what they're doing. What are some of the things that you saw that help guys out?


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[Assistant] We trusted you guys because if I went to Balboa in whatever 1996 and said, Hey, my, my neck hurts. My shoulder hurts. My back hurts. They're going to put us on the protocol of, okay, well you need six months off and you need this and that. And we realized


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[Assistant] That you realized that we wanted to get back to work. And so when you told us, listen, when Jason would look at me and say, Jaco, you cannot do pull ups for three weeks. You cannot do pull ups for three weeks.


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[Assistant] There was a level of trust that we developed with you guys that when you told us to do something, we understood that you meant it and it was right. And also, to your point, when you told us, hey, here's the


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[Assistant] We would do em. So we had a very good, uh, mutually supporting relationship where you were telling us what to do, we trusted that you were


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[Assistant] Gonna allow us to do as much as we possibly could, but that was also a limit.


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[Assistant] And hey, you can't do this thing, but no, I really, really know who you can't do this thing. Okay. We trusted you guys and that that's what I think made the program so effective and makes it so effective to this day. Just this incredible level of trust between both sides.


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[Assistant] If I showed up to medical, there was something wrong.


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[Assistant] To, to, to miss work, I'm not coming there because I want to get a limited duty, uh, shit from you guys. No, if a seal shows up to medical,


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[Assistant] There's something wrong with them and they need help. You don't need to scream like, well are you sure? No, no, no. We're there because we're injured. That's what's going on. So that's also a very good place to start.


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[Assistant] Is that we're not looking for a way out, we're looking for a way in. And, and there's plenty of places in the, there's plenty of places in the military and in the world where what they're looking for is a way out. Like I want to get limited duty, I don't want to have to work. The SEALs are not doing that. We want to work. That's why we're in there. Fix us and get me back in the game.


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[Assistant] I remember you guys put some kind of monitors on guys, like heart rate monitors, movement monitors, and the guys came back from our desert training.


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[Assistant] And it was like everyone was beside themselves in terms of the output, the movement, the stress level, the heart rate. It was all off the charts. It was like they competed in, you know, world class competition, uh, triathlons with mixed in with the


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[Assistant] So then how did this program roll into the, uh, the PFF, the protection of family, of the protection of forced family?


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[Assistant] He was. Both of his knees were annihilated. This is before he joined the Navy. So he had to go through buds with just annihilated knees. And this is not uncommon. It's not uncommon for guys that obviously guys are going in the SEAL teams. They were in sports growing up and they already come with pre-existing issues. Which I was lucky enough, I was like, you know, young and just...


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[Assistant] I mean, I was just healed. I mean, I was just good. Wolverine blood. Wolverine blood. Get some. But a lot of guys show up with already pre-existing injuries. That's a problem.


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[Assistant] So, so this thing with the, with the protection of the force and family, so now all of a sudden we can bring the wife in to, she's getting knee surgery, we're gonna help her heal up, is that type of thing, right?


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[Assistant] The shoulder though as a joint, like when somebody injures it, can you get it back? How close can you get it back to being good to go 100%?


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[Assistant] Do you, do you know that? Do you, like how many, how many shoulders have you opened up? Like, thousands? Thousands.


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[Assistant] Are they, or do you use robotics now to do any of this stuff? We do.


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[Assistant] I wanna jump ahead a little bit, just in comparison, but, you know, you have, you end up working for the New England Patriots, you know, with the NFL.


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[Assistant] That the interesting thing or the tough thing is like you got a seal.


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[Assistant] That's, now look, I know if it's the Super Bowl or a playoff game, you're gonna get that guy in that game, right?


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[Assistant] You're gonna be in the game. You're in the game. Yeah. So there is some similarities from that perspective that you're gonna get this guy to play that next game.


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[Assistant] What's the comparison between an NFL player and a tee and a seal?


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[Assistant] Is there anyone more focused on that than that guy on like his performance?


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[Assistant] Seems like there's nothing else in his head.


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[Assistant] You know the missions are so different and you gotta be ready to kinda do all of them.


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[Assistant] And so you don't get to just have this one singular focus in your brain. You've got to have, you just can't. You have to be able to do a bunch of different things. So it's a little bit harder to prepare for. You can't just be, uh, one.


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[Assistant] And, you know, in the SEAL teams you gotta throw the damn grenade, but you've also gotta climb the ladder, you've also gotta shoot the rifle, you've also gotta carry the rucksack, you've also gotta buddy carry your friend, you've also gotta low crawl across the field. You got all these different things, there's a lot of stuff you're gonna be generally prepared for. No offense, Tom Brady. Respect.


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[Assistant] You talked about Belichick's leadership, right? How's that leadership in the, when you, when you're the lead surgeon, leadership in the medical world, what's that like?


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[Assistant] Hey, what do you think about, uhm, with going back to football again? What do you think about?


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[Assistant] That's another time I remember, so when he was applying to become an officer, you and I sat on his board, uh, and rev-


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[Assistant] He did his officer interview board to write him a recommendation to go and become an officer.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and I remember I, he wanted to become a doctor and I remember saying, you know, I'm sitting in the room with you and I forget who the other person was, but I,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can imagine that, like I was talking earlier about how there's a disconnect, you know, the country's at war and yet most of the country's not at war. And here you...


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[Assistant] You know, these guys are an even more extreme example, you know. I was talking about you living in Coronado, and that's a nice place to live, but these guys are, you know, multi-millionaire.


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[Assistant] Still telling people to get fired up and, hey, go kick ass today. That's just, that's the kind of thing where you, they, they realize what kind of sacrifices are being made for them to be able to do their job and live their life. It's, I, I can, I can only imagine what it must have felt like for them to see these, to see these young wounded warriors. That's, uhm, that's heavy, for sure.


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[Assistant] I know you talk a lot about data and collecting data and then utilizing data. Well, tell me a little bit more about that.


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[Assistant] When we start talking about recovery from surgery, like what's the biology?


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[Assistant] Around that, what's the best way when people are recovering, what are you gonna do?


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[Assistant] I went down, he was doing rehab there in the clinic and I went down and whatever he was doing was hurting really bad.


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[Assistant] Like he's trying to bend it to a certain angle, right? This is, you know, you've got to make it to a certain angle. There was some kind of a device that was measuring the angle that he was bending his knee to for the first time and he's pushing past to try and get a little bit more. And he's.


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[Assistant] And I come down and he's in absolute agony. Which is making me laugh hysterically. So I'm standing next to him and I'm waiting for the machine to go and push his leg again and I'm laughing and I finally get out my phone and start recording him as I'm laughing. So now he's in absolute agony.


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[Assistant] But he's also laughing because I'm laughing at him, so he's got this look on his face of, you know, I'm in absolute agony right now and this is hilarious. But yes, you know, he was able to heal up, but it's a long, it's a long process.


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[Assistant] So as you're, as you're, I mean with all the knowledge that you've gotten, everything you've gained from the teams, what kind of daily protocol are you doing to stay healthy, to stay fit? Like what do you do?


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[Assistant] You were at Boston, you were working with the, with the Patriots. Seems like this might be the dream job of a freaking doctor, right? You got the Super Bowl team, you got Brady, you got Gronk, you got Belichick, you got, this seems like a, pretty much a dream job for someone in your position. But you left. I left.


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[Assistant] So that was that like your day job at, at Mass General?


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[Assistant] And that's at the, uh, the Stedman Clinic? That's right Chuckie. So what's the deal with the Stedman Clinic?


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[Assistant] We have a friend that we train with here, Dr. Luke Pomerantz. Yeah. And, you know, I told him, oh, I said, yeah, we have another, cause he's an orthopedic surgeon. He's a hand specialist now.


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[Assistant] And I told him, oh yea, we have a guy coming on, uh, you know, Dr. Matt Preventer. And he goes, oh yea. He goes, oh yea, I know. He goes, I guess he worked as some intern or whatever it is for you, but he didn't talk about your surgery stuff. He just said, oh, he's really respected in the academic world for all the papers he's written. I was like, this guy's doing a lot of stuff.


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[Assistant] So when you talk about these quote business things that you and Tyler are working on, these are business things. What does that, what does that account for? What does this all about?


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[Assistant] That's interesting, that's kind of amazing, you did all this stuff to help people get better, heal, recover, and you're also going to help them in the gambling field, help them with their fantasy football. That's right, however they want


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[Assistant] Is there any other business things that you have going on?


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[Assistant] How much, how much, how much competition is there from Google medicine? Because I am the Google medicine master. I can basically, you know, uh, tell any, listen to someone's symptoms and I can tell them exactly what's wrong with them, myself and every other idiot on Google.


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[Assistant] But uh, what's that like? How's that changed the medical world?


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[Assistant] So, so what's the app then? The app is coordinate all this stuff and provide information.


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[Assistant] Is it in the works? It's in the works. Alright, we can talk offline about that. Yea, it's really cool.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it must be crazy because you're seeing a patient and then you don't see this patient again for six weeks or four weeks or three months and like what, what, what did I talk to them about last time and what information have they got in the meantime and it just seems like if they automated that stuff and made it more friendly to the patient, obviously that would be helpful.


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[Assistant] So, are you doing that right now? Are you doing what the FDA will allow you to do right now?


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[Assistant] And, and it must be pretty easy to, to research this when Germany's doing it, Mexico's doing it, whatever, South America's doing it. Is it, or no?


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[Assistant] What is the FDA? What's their concern?


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[Assistant] What about the studies from Germany?


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, one of the, I think one of the most impressive, uhm,


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[Assistant] Confirmations of the efficacy of it is the subscribers. So people subscribe to


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[Assistant] They subscribe to the greens, like they get that and they take it and they've, you know, we've got people that have been taking this stuff for two, three years now and they, you know, they're, they're subscribed to it. They're not going on. I say all the time, I'm, I, you won't get me to not be on this stuff because the way it makes me feel, even the, the, the time war, which


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[Assistant] Anecdotal, it improved my vision. It made my vision better. I had a, we have a certain


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[Assistant] Uh, size monitor that we use at some of our events and there'll be notes on the monitor. And we do a duplicate event.


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[Assistant] Awesome. Like I can see way more clearly. And I've always been blessed with good vision, unfortunately, not like your...


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[Assistant] Not like you, unfortunately. You got, you got jinxed. I, I was blessed with, I've always had good vision. I'm 52 years old.


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[Assistant] I see a lot of people, knock on wood, I see a lot of my friends, they're having to get, you know, reading glasses and what not, I'm still able to be okay, but I was starting to see a little bit of degregate. Don't tell anyone, Echo Charles. I was starting to see like a little bit, occasionally a little degradation and I was like, oh no, and then sure enough now it's


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[Assistant] Time war now I can see again like clear so The stuff is is effective. We're testing it like crazy Great people helping us put together. So maybe you'll be on that now


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[Assistant] Well I appreciate it and coming from somebody with your background, obviously that's awesome to hear. Uhm, for sure. You know, that's, that's like what better


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[Assistant] No, not at all and you know, I think I think when you come back on what we'll do is we'll roll in with like a legit like best practices protocols just for


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[Assistant] For injury prevention, for recovery, and then like post surgery. Cause let's face it, most people are going to get surgery at some point in their life. Uh, I had neck surgery.


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[Assistant] Echo's had a couple surgeries on his biceps. You have knee surgeries too? Yea. Knee surgeries. So we're gonna get surgery. So it's good to know some kind of protocols around that. We can do that next time you come on. That'd be awesome. And uh, yeaah. But is there anything else for today?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and we take it for granted. I mean, I take my health for granted every day and then all of a sudden I get injured. All of a sudden I, you know, my knee gets tweaked, my back gets tweaked, whatever. And then you go, oh my gosh.


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[Assistant] So, let's get ahead of it, first of all, get some protocols in place, and then let's get ready to respond to it when it happens, and then let's get ready to recover from it. Those are things you gotta do.


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[Assistant] Things you gotta do. Echo Charles. Yes sir. You got any questions? Yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's our two things on this and my daughter just graduated from Cal Poly and she Would she had cadaver labs and she would kind of like text me. I was just cutting open a cadaver That's number one number two. She just got hurt doing jujitsu. She was rolling with tabs, you know tabs. Yeah tabs


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[Assistant] Like he landed on her foot and her toe got bent all the way up to touch the top of her foot. I have it on video.


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[Assistant] Cause, cause that's what you're doing. Like you're, you're, like you're gonna do a knee replacement surgery on someone. You gotta hack through some bone.


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[Assistant] Is there anything game changing for, for like ligaments coming or is there, are we just going to be using cadavers and whatever taking it from another part of your body? Are we still there?


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[Assistant] Uhm, so where can people find you? You're on Twitter and Instagram. You're at Dr. Preventure. Uhm, you're on Facebook at Matthew Preventure MD. You got a YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] But it is there. You're probably working it. It's coming. That's uh, probably by the time you hear this it'll be more, a little more active. Matthew Perventure 28. That's right. 28. What's that 28 have to do with?


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[Assistant] Matthewpreventer.com is like your main place and you can find these other things linked from there. Awesome, that's where we can find you. Thank you. Doctor, any closing thoughts from you?


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[Assistant] Appreciate that doc and uhm, you know, again, thanks to, you know, we, we're talking to you, but as you said, I know and you know.


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[Assistant] Many hundreds of people that have participated in making all this stuff happen. Uh, so thanks to all those people. Thanks to you for coming down. Thanks for joining us. Uhm, most important, thanks for your service. You know, we barely touched on 27 years in the US Navy. That's just awesome and what you were doing that whole time.


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[Assistant] Taking care of our wounded and our injured warriors, uh, I know so many friends that you literally personally took care of and got them


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[Assistant] Either back on the battlefield or to live the best possible life that they could live with the wounds that they received. So, thanks for all you did for us and thanks for all you're continuing to do now to, uh, make people healthy. I don't think there's any greater service than that. So, thanks for everything, doc.


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[Assistant] Gotta stay healthy, Equatorials. And then if you take a hit, you gotta get back. Get back in the game. Need to be on the path. Need to stay on the path.


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[Assistant] He was saying, these guys wanted to go back on the battlefield. He's looking at him like, hey man, you...


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[Assistant] You know what you're missing is just, they just want to be with their brothers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well yeah, like you said, he talked about it and, uh, not much I can say to double down on all the stuff that he was talking about.


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[Assistant] Get at GNC, you can get the Military Commissaries, APHES, Hannaford, Dash Stores, Wakeford, ShopRite, HEB, down in Tay Haas.


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[Assistant] Myer, up in the Midwest. Harris Teeter. Lifetime Fitness. Shields. Those big shield stores. Dang. 300,000 square feet of goodness. You can get Jaco Fuhlner. Small gyms, actually, out there. Little gyms. Little CrossFit gyms.


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[Assistant] Little Jiu Jitsu gyms, they have it. And if you own a CrossFit gym, you own a little gym, you own a Jiu Jitsu academy,


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[Assistant] Email jfsales at jocofuel.com, get, sell the stuff wholesale. First of all, take care of your people, take care of your clientele, take care of your students, and also add a little bit to the bottom line, right? Make a little bit more money. Look, I know what it's like, I own a gym. I know that it's, it's lean in the gymnasium. It's lean in the jujitsu academy.


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[Assistant] It's lean in the CrossFit box. Guess what? Get yourself a little bit more supplemental income. And in the meantime, take care of your clientele.


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[Assistant] Like I said, jfsales at jockofuel.com. That's what we're doing. Check it out, jockofuel.com. Go get some. What else we got? True.


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[Assistant] It's not as common as you might think. In fact, it doesn't really exist other than what we're doing here at originusa.com and these other companies that are out there that's saying that they care about the environment and they say they care about people.


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[Assistant] They don't care about either, they're lying to you. And they're trying to cover it up by saying they give, you know, 1% to the environment or whatever they're saying. I'm giving 1% of the environment, but I'm building a factory in a place that has no


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[Assistant] Don't support the adversaries of freedom. The adversaries of America.


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[Assistant] Go to originusa.com, buy a pair of blue jeans. Buy a freaking hoodie!


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[Assistant] I know it's summertime. I know there's a heat wave going on. The heat wave's gonna end. It's gonna get cold. Even out there in Arizona, it's gonna get cold.


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[Assistant] Even in Eastern California, out in the Imperial Valley, where it's 120 degrees right now, it's gonna get cold. Get a hoodie.


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[Assistant] Get a pair of jeans. Get a jiu-jitsu gi. Get rash guards. OriginUSA.com. American made. Let's go.


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[Assistant] At the Jocko Live events. It was kind of impressive. It kind of was very impressive.


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[Assistant] That's, that's like, it's people who just, ultimate game is yous out there representing who all on the path. So, jocostore.com, thanks for, thanks for the support.


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[Assistant] Also subscribe to this podcast, subscribe to JockoUnderground.com, subscribe to your YouTube channel, subscribe to Psychological Warfare, go to FlipsideCanvas.com and get some cool stuff to hang on your wall that's made by an American hero, Dakota Meyer.


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[Assistant] Books, I've written a bunch of books, get em. I've written a bunch of kids books.