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[Assistant] It's just, uh, epic. Uhm, so if you haven't watched that yet, check that out. Uh, then you do this show called Hard to Kill. Mhm. Which is bizarre. Cause a dude freaking what?


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[Assistant] A dude freaking locked you into a damn fiery, fake, uh, cockpit of an airplane.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so let me just give a little more info from the book. You think to yourself, okay, here's uh, here's, here's what we're gonna do. They say, we want you to escape from this burning cockpit. You go, okay, cool. If I'm gonna get into a place that's on fire, I'm gonna make sure I can get out.


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[Assistant] So you drill this, you rehearse it, you go through the motions under your seatbelt, whatever, here's how you open this thing, you go through it over and over again like any normal soldier would rehearse a potentially life-threatening evolution.


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[Assistant] So you get it done. You're like, okay, now I'm ready. Now you can put gasoline on this thing.


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[Assistant] And I'll sit in it and you can light it on fire and I'll get out. I'll go through the procedures that I've just rehearsed a hundred times to make sure that I don't die in here. Well, some freaking jackass.


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[Assistant] In the back of the cockpit where you are actually now walked in this bitch. Yep.


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[Assistant] You got this section in here about uhm,


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[Assistant] Is that an accurate description of Deliver Fund?


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[Assistant] And they're slightly different now, but at the time that was their, that was what they were doing.


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[Assistant] You end up working on a team that's doing this, you end up doing surveillance, and again, hey I'm skipping through a bunch of stuff right now, get the book for all these details, but you end up doing surveillance, you're putting together target packages for the police, uhm, and I thought this was, uh,


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[Assistant] Man, enlightening and scary and disturbing and horrible and informative thing to, to learn about. I'm gonna go to the book here on what you, what you saw.


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[Assistant] The situation almost always looks the same. Trafficking operations run out of hotels or motels. On the ground floor there is a mad am or quote bottom bitch.


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[Assistant] Hooked on meth or heroin, keeps them high and gets them to rest when they're off duty, interacts with John's when they arrive and basically runs the day to day operation.


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[Assistant] The reason I say she is pure evil is because she worked the job. She knows how terrible it is. She knows what it did to her. And she is still willing to do the same thing to other girls. Girls. Little girls.


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[Assistant] The girls are usually 14 to 21, and the bottom bitch keeps them in a room together and releases them one at a time to rooms they have upstairs when the Johns arrive.


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[Assistant] You usually don't see them older than that because the johns that prefer non-consensual sex prefer younger girls.


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[Assistant] Once they don't look young anymore, they are either sold into slavery elsewhere, killed, or thrown out onto the streets, now with a heroin habit and no way to get a fix. Or, if they're smart enough and evil enough, they become the new bottom bitch.


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[Assistant] The pimp may only have one bottom bitch or he may have up to five. The structure of the relationship of the pimp to the bottom bitch and the bottom bitch to the girls though is always the same.


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[Assistant] Above the pimps are the higher end traffickers. What we do is try to get, is try to hem up the pimps so their asses are on the line and get them to turn on the traffickers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and in this particular case that you're talking about, you and your team, you guys are all busting your ass to try and put together these freaking target packages and you're gonna like, bust a bunch of these people and you get shut down.


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[Assistant] You kind of talked about here, like if you're willing to be a drug dealer, then it's just like, what else? You're just going to do it all.


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[Assistant] That whole thing doesn't seem to, I mean, it affects you, it impacts you, but like you seem to get more determined. And is, is it safe to say that sheepdog response is like a response to that and, I mean, obviously there's other things, but it seemed like from the book,


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[Assistant] People learning how to take care of themselves is incredibly important, especially when you know


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[Assistant] You can't take care of everyone. I mean, I had this conversation with my, especially with my daughters, like, when they were young. Hey, I'm not gonna be with you.


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[Assistant] I am not gonna be with you. And if you don't know how to handle yourself, bad things are gonna happen to you.


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[Assistant] You created this awesome program, Sheepdog Response. Talk to us about that.


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[Assistant] The uh, the statement that no one else is coming is, it might sound, if you're just listening to this, if you don't know anything or whatever, it might sound really negative.


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[Assistant] Like, no one cares about you or whatever. The fact of the matter is, it's just impossible to police up the world. And even in the best case scenario,


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[Assistant] If you have the time to dial 911 or make a call for help.


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[Assistant] The best response times in the world is too late. It's too late. And here's the other thing.


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[Assistant] You know, we talked earlier about Jujutsu being a superpower, which it most certainly is.


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[Assistant] There's aspects of being aware and aspects of knowing how to respond immediately to something that are also, and, and aspects of firearms that are also a superpower. And by that, I mean someone that has trained.


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[Assistant] Look, you should train all the time. If you're gonna carry what you should, you should train all the time to know.


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[Assistant] But even after a basic course.


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[Assistant] Where you get a little bit of stress test, you understand your weapon system, you understand how to utilize it. That's a freaking superpower.


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[Assistant] And you can, you can protect yourself. You can protect your family and you should have that capability as a human being. So.


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[Assistant] This is like, to me, what you're doing with this is just like a, it's just the beginning of people becoming aware and like you said, this force multiplier where when something happens out in the world, I think in


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[Assistant] Three years? Five years? Heh, it's just like...


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[Assistant] And that's where, that's where we can get to in America where it's like, oh, this stuff, we're not, no, it's not happening. No, it's not happening. You're not doing that. Not today. Not in this movie theater. Not in this school. Not in this grocery store. It's not happening.


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[Assistant] Do I wish that the world was just filled with benevolent people and we didn't have to think like this? Sure, of course, of course. Yes, I think that way, but it's not. It's not. It's not, and it never will be.


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[Assistant] And I've talked about this before with, uh, like, you know with jujitsu, or with shooting.


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[Assistant] Like, hey, what if you, what if you spend a, invest a bunch of time in jiu-jitsu and you invest a bunch of time in shooting and you never get in a fight and you never have to use your weapon?


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[Assistant] Uh, getting a cardio workout, you're working on your flexibility, this is a million other benefits. With shooting, oh you work on your hand-eye coordination, you get the, you get to learn how to focus on things, you get to learn how to ignore distractions, like there's a bunch of really cool things that happen regardless.


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[Assistant] You know what, if you don't like to fight, that's even more of a reason to do jiu-jitsu. Because if you know jiu-jitsu, you probably won't have to fight. Because your whole attitude's different.


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[Assistant] And now you got this thing called the Apogee, is that right? Apogee? The Apogee Cedar Park school for kids, warrior kids if I can say that. Yea, you can. Yea, yea. You got your book on the shelves. You really do. Yea, awesome.


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[Assistant] When you give the kids the ownership though, like there's so much more engaged, you know, when instead of just, Hey, here's the task you got to do today, Timmy. Like you do this, this and this. You're like, Oh, whatever. But when I say, Hey Tim, how do you want to do this?


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[Assistant] What do you think you need to get out of this? And all of a sudden you have ownership and now you're engaged, which is freaking as it should be.


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[Assistant] So there you are. You're, you got the school going. You got the sheepdog response. Everything's rocking and rolling.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you're talking to Nick on the phone. I'm gonna go to the book for this. Uh, what a fucking shit show, man, he says, referring to our government's performance so far while shaking his head in disgust. Nick's an idealist.


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[Assistant] He still gets genuinely surprised when people fail as badly as we are failing on this mission right now. How do we pull out all of our forces and then try and evacuate?


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[Assistant] He isn't really talking to me, he's just venting. He and I have had this conversation about a thousand times in the past 48 hours. We sip our coffee in silence for a little while. Him wrestling with being let down by America, me wrestling with a conversation I had earlier today with Chad Robichard.


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[Assistant] Chad was a rangered up sponsored MMA fighter who fought in strike force at the same time I did. A lifetime ago, he was a force recon marine who was then assigned to JSOC and deployed multiple times to Afghanistan.


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[Assistant] Now he runs a successful nonprofit called the Mighty Oaks Foundation, which helps veterans find resilience in all aspects of their lives.


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[Assistant] I personally attended one of their resiliency programs and it was life changing. Chad is a good friend and he has a problem.


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[Assistant] His interpreter, Aziz, is trapped and is actively being hunted. Because of who Aziz is and who he helped, if he is caught, they will rape and murder his wife and children while he watches, then they will kill him.


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[Assistant] Chad isn't looking to send messages to Kabul like everyone else. He's been working with his old JSOC buddy, Santa6, who now does contracting work in that region, putting a plan in motion to get his ease out.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately their timeline just got blown because no one expected the entire country to fall to the Taliban in a week.


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[Assistant] Chad wants to know if I will go with him to Afghanistan via the United Arab Emirates. Apparently Santa Six rides motorcycles with another former forced recon marine that has some kind of connection to the UAE and they might let us use a plane to get into Afghanistan.


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[Assistant] This already feels like six degrees of seven, of Kevin Bankin, and I'm nervous at the friend of a friend structure we discussed.


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[Assistant] Is there a plan? I asked him when we were on the phone earlier, if we're going to go do some crazy shit, I need to know that we're doing this to make a difference and not just go.


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[Assistant] As I'm thinking about this, Nick gets lost in his phone for a minute. And I see that I have another text message from Chad.


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[Assistant] So, you, Nick, Chad, uhm, a woman named Sarah Verardo, am I saying that right? Yea, that's right.


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[Assistant] Uh, she seems like just an incredibly awesome human. She's the CEO of something called the Independence Fund. And her husband was wounded bad. And this Independence Fund...


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[Assistant] It helps vets with all kinds of stuff, wounded vets, with mobility, with caregivers, with advocacy, with casework, with resiliency, family programs, like just, uh, doing a lot of great stuff. The, the independence fund. And she also has like good connections because she's been very effective.


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[Assistant] So she's involved as well because she's got some good political connections of people that can help out. You guys end up planes, trains, and automobiles to get to UAE. You get, and again the detail, get the book so you can read this story.


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[Assistant] You end up getting to UAE. It's like even getting into UAE, you gotta get, like, you gotta call people in Congress, you gotta get, you know, phone calls are made, things are happening.


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[Assistant] With a C-17 that's gonna help you get people out of Afghanistan. Uhm, that had to be an interesting flight. You're in an empty


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[Assistant] Eventually you get on the ground. You get on the ground in Afghanistan. You got like a...


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[Assistant] What is it? Sean G, some dude named C-Spray, and you. You guys are the guys. There's four of us. Who's the other one? And, uh, Dave. Okay. So it's you four that are gonna basically go outside the wire and


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[Assistant] Link up with the, the people that you're looking for, which you have a legit manifest of people that you gotta gather up. Uh, Nick is, Nick is on base helping out coordinating, deconflicting all that other shit. A bunch of other guys. What's the total number of guys on the team? A dozen guys or something like that.


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[Assistant] When did this become Save Our Allies? This is Save Our Allies, right? That's right.


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[Assistant] When did it become Save Our Allies? At some point you had to put a name on it? We, we, I mean, we had to put a name on it, uh. The only reason I say that right now, uh, is just if people want to help out, because I know you're still doing work, is it what, saveourallies.com? Uh, dot org. Dot org. So saveourallies.org.


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[Assistant] And talk us through without giving away details that might compromise like your procedures, but you get information that there is a person that needs to get extracted. What do you do?


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[Assistant] Uhm, which are you, are you just plain clothes going out into town? Yeah. What's the town been looking at you? Are they looking at you like?


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[Assistant] Suspect? Is there enough westerners that it's- you're like- It's a mix. So we're in Kabul, right?


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[Assistant] And what amazes me as you, as you talk about the effort that you went through to vet everyone and how we're setting it up. And just that one, you know, when you said, well, Jocko, if you text me, you need this guy and here's what you gotta do. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.


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[Assistant] It's obviously a very complex, hard thing to do. And then you gotta link up with these people in a truck or at this building or whatever. And you guys did this over and over and over and over and over and over again. To the tune of...


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[Assistant] That's like a, uh, just a phenomenal, just phenomenal work, man. Phenomenal.


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[Assistant] The earth shakes and the explosion echoes through the airport. That was a bomb.


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[Assistant] Sean G. Seaspray and I look at each other. We're simultaneously hoping no one got hurt. And that our trip isn't coming to a premature end.


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[Assistant] The internet moves at the speed of light at the same time that some of our partners from DOD and DOS are letting us know there are casualties at Abbey Gate.


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[Assistant] A gate we have frequented many times over the past week. Nick and Santa Six are hitting up Sean G and me, asking if we're okay. A suicide bomber got inside the wire and detonated, killing 13 US service members. All 25 years old or younger.


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[Assistant] One of them I would find out later is Sergeant Nicole Gee, a young leader who grew up a few hours from where I did in Sacramento. She helped us earlier that day when we had to search the women we rescued before bringing them on base. She was really sweet and high energy.


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[Assistant] She wasn't going through the motions. She greeted every Afghan with a smile. She loved her job and her service.


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[Assistant] I joined the military in my early twenties. I felt old then. I felt knowledgeable. I felt like I had experienced life. I had no idea.


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[Assistant] These brave troops, 11 Marines, one corpsman and one soldier gave their lives to help those in need.


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[Assistant] And after that, I mean, uhm, things going to lockdown. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] You got a couple more interesting stories in there, uhm, about some other things that did take place, but eventually you end up, you guys gotta get out of there. You have an exfil bird, uhm, that's coming to get you, and it


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[Assistant] It ends up making an emergency landing in Pakistan, and it can't quite make it to pick you up, which I find very, very suspect, but uhm.


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[Assistant] So you, uh, eventually you have to hitch a ride out of there. And you gotta hitch a ride out of there with the military. I gotta read this section.


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[Assistant] As you're looking for someone to give you a ride. Here we go. Every lead we run down comes up short. The military birds are full, as are the state department birds. I begin to wonder if we're going to have to walk out of this place. If we have to, at least I know.


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[Assistant] This is the team to do it with. Still I'd rather not.


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[Assistant] Finally I find an airman that recognizes me. Oh shit. Are you Tim Kennedy he asks?


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[Assistant] He is Tim Kennedy Seaspray. Answers with a smirk. Awesome man. I'm a huge fan. My new Airman friend says. Me too. Seaspray chimes.


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[Assistant] Ignoring him, I ask, is there any chance you could have some room for us? Our ride crashed in Pakistan. No shit? How many of you are there? Four? He asks. Yeah, just four of us, I answer.


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[Assistant] Hey, did you know he's Tim Kennedy? See, he chimes in again. He is in fact, Tim Kennedy. Sean G says, joining in the game. Dave at least just smiles.


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[Assistant] I can put you on the ramp, man, no problem, my airman buddy tells us. You're the shit, I really appreciate it, I said. Then add, so where are we going? Qatar, he tells us. Looks like we're going to Qatar. I jump on the signal app and type, found a ride to Qatar, we'll touch base when we land.


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[Assistant] It's dark now, but I can still see the edges of the mountains against the night sky. A feeling of sadness and failure encompasses me. I might never be here again. I walk up the ramp.


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[Assistant] That's how you wrap up 10 days, constant operations.


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[Assistant] Like we said, you and your team secured, vetted and evacuated 12,000 people, American citizens, permanent residents, Afghan allies, Afghan refugees. Uh, this is like 10 over 10% of the total people evacuated in this.


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[Assistant] It's awesome too, uhm, and you talk about this in the book, basically that you,


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[Assistant] And it's, it applies to all of them, but all of you were like, none of us like, hey, I'm in charge. No, I'm in charge. No, we should do it my way. No, she's not my, you guys are all just humble. Like what's the best solution? How can we move forward? And that plays such a key role. Like you can't, you can't like argue about dumb shit, ego shit when you're trying to actually make things happen. It doesn't work. No.


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[Assistant] Just to close out this part of the book, or just to close out from the book. This is as you're flying home. You're, you're, you're on this aircraft and you start reflecting on things from a broad perspective.


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[Assistant] And uh, you say this, I think about my own trials and the scars that came with them. My thoughts finally land on the moment all those years ago standing on that beach. I had failures stacked against me.


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[Assistant] Two, two women pregnant, possible HIV, kicked off the police force, and a host of other problems. It seemed like the end of the world.


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[Assistant] Those challenges seemed impossible to overcome.


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[Assistant] Now that night in the ocean is a blip on the radar. It doesn't matter except as the impetus to finally get off my ass and attack life. Those two pregnant women gave me Sabrina and Julia, my first two reasons to be a better man.


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[Assistant] Those girls have given me nothing but joy and pride.


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[Assistant] Being kicked off the force created a situation where I had to come to terms with my shortcomings. I didn't fail because life was unfair. I failed because I was a cocky asshole who made poor decisions.


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[Assistant] Without that failure, I would never be a Green Beret. I never would have found my calling. I never would have reached my potential. Thank God for those failures and that night.


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[Assistant] The guy standing on that beach looked at life as a scorecard that you win or lose. He thought failure was the end. He was an idiot.


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[Assistant] The guy in Iraq who got beaten up for not being a team player couldn't have succeeded in the rescue effort I just undertook with this amazing team. He would have wanted to lead it to show everyone how good he was instead of contributing to the group effort. He was an idiot. But it's okay that he was an idiot.


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[Assistant] In the army, when you graduate from being a soldier to a non-commissioned officer, you earn the title of sergeant. In that moment, you earn your stripes, the upward facing rockers that you affix to your uniform.


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[Assistant] Those stripes are the symbol that shows you are a leader. That you assume responsibility for yourself and those around you.


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[Assistant] It took me a lot to get there. It's been a hard road and every step of the way, every additional rank, every additional accomplishment, every great success has required more of me.


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[Assistant] I've had to sacrifice more, suffer more, and yes, fail more.


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[Assistant] Failure isn't final. It's necessary. It's the fuel that allows you to advance, to succeed, to earn those stripes. You need to earn those scars first.


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[Assistant] In through the nose and out through the mouth, pulling my stomach to the back of my spine. My mind is calm now. My eyes feel heavy, and I lean back into my seat.


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[Assistant] When I wake up in Atlanta, it will be my birthday and I will be 42 years old. I'm excited.


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[Assistant] This is the beginning of a whole new amazing year of failure and suffering.


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[Assistant] Life is filled with failures and suffering, uh, for everybody. You know, uh, one of the things that I, that I didn't read from the book, you've got some kind of rules and your number one rule.


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[Assistant] And, uh, yeaah. I like that a lot, believe it or not. I like that a lot.


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[Assistant] That would have been really useful. Cause I was the jackass that was running around blaming other people for doing dumb shit or dumb shit happening to me. That's why uhm, yea man, taking ownership, taking accountability. When you recognize and listen, you can't control everything, but man, you can control a lot more than you think you can.


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[Assistant] Uh, and what matters the most when you come up against these challenges is, is how you respond to it, what you learn from it.


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[Assistant] Here we go. That's how you get better. Uh, well, I've had you in here for way too long. I apologize. Carrie, you got any final questions there?


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[Assistant] Tim, before we go to closing thoughts, so we got saveourallies.org. That's the main place to support that. That's right. That thing. You're, uh, you're all over the place at Tim Kennedy.


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[Assistant] Awesome stuff. Any closing thoughts, brother? I appreciate you.


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[Assistant] Thanks. Well, uh, I certainly don't think Tim Kennedy needs much inspiration from anybody, man. Uh, awesome to see you again. Thanks for coming on. Uhm, thanks for your service in the army.


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[Assistant] Thanks for your continued service with everything that you're doing. I mean, it's just, it's just outstanding to see everything that you do to try and help.


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[Assistant] Your community, your, our country, uh, and people of the world, uh, like I said, globally, you're making an impact and it's just, it's just outstanding to see you out there making it happen, man. Respect.


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[Assistant] Well, we both have that benefit of being around a bunch of people that are a lot smarter than the two knuckle-draggers sitting here. Awesome, man. Thanks for coming back. Thank you. And with that, Tim Kennedy has left the building.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I believe at this point in time we are at the world record jockel podcast week.


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[Assistant] I don't know man, but that went by in a split second in my mind. Uh, I don't know, I could just talk and listen to Tim and talk with Tim and converse with Tim for a really long time. So I guess pushing six hours at this point is pretty awesome. What a, what a dude, man. What a great dude.


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[Assistant] And, and, you know, like I, like I read that last little rule of his, take accountability for it, it's your fault. And, you know, we kind of joked about it, that's the...


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[Assistant] That's the concept of extreme ownership that's helped so many, uh, so many people out there. You know, so many people, I mean,


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[Assistant] So many people, I don't want to put a number on it, but it is a lot of people that have contacted me and contacted Leif and said, hey, that's what got me straightened out is when I realized


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[Assistant] I needed to take extreme ownership. I needed to take accountability for everything. It's all my fault. That's such a great starting point for life and for someone like Tim, it obviously has had a huge impact when he started to take accountability for his life and move it in the right direction.


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[Assistant] Uhm, then he just turns into, you know, a damn, what do you say, a


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[Assistant] A missile of some kind. A fire and forget missile. What do you say? A flesh missile. You got all kinds of stuff going on. Uh, but what a great guy. Uhm, so.


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[Assistant] You're in charge of your own life. You're in charge of your own security by the way. So, so check out that sheepdog response.


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[Assistant] Also, get yourself in good physical condition. You know, when you start talking about physical, when you start talking about this, remember when he was talking about, you gotta be ready for this? What, what is this? This could be so, such a wide variety. It could even be, oh, my kid fell down, we're in the woods, and, you know, he or she, child,


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[Assistant] Bang their head and need to get to a doctor and we're two miles, you know, from the road and I gotta go uphill.


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[Assistant] And I gotta carry em. Yup. Do, are you in the physical condition to do that? Cause if you're not...


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[Assistant] That could be tragic. I remember my wife got stung by the damn, uh, stingray.


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[Assistant] And, and we were at a beach around San Diego that has a bunch of stairs to get up to to get to the parking lot.


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[Assistant] That was just a stingray, what if something, what if she had a femoral bleed and I had to get, whatever, something crazy happened.


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[Assistant] That means you're working out. That means you're doing jiu-jitsu. That means you're on JockoFuel. JockoFuel.com. Get yourself some moque. Man.


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[Assistant] You can't understate the beauty of MOLK. The fact that you can have dessert


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[Assistant] You can have a dessert, a legit dessert that you think, my god, this is good. That's what I think. When I drink mocha, I think, you know, this is a...


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[Assistant] You could, you could put it up next to a damn Haagen-Dazs.


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[Assistant] You know, like you're, oh, you're gonna go out to, you know, to a dinner or whatever. Dinner something with my wife. We're going to some restaurant with some friends. It's Italian food. You know, it's just, they're gonna be throwing pasta at you or what not. So it's like, you know, do a little pregame. Get that mulk hitter. Cause then instead of eating nine slices of freaking garlic bread.


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[Assistant] In the openers, right? You're good. You don't need it cause you're not hungry. Right. So you can just get the chicken parm, eat a couple of noodles just cause of what's up, you know, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, JockoFuel.com, M.O.L.K., uh, Joint Warfare, SuperKrill, all that stuff, Immunity, don't forget about the Degos.


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[Assistant] There, speaking of ownership, as we know, my fault, the original flavors


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[Assistant] Weren't quite for the normal human. They were for me. Uh, but we, we fixed them. All the flavors are insanely delicious. Insanely delicious. I know who's going to give everyone a run for their money with the new flavors? Dak Savage. Dakota Meyer. The new Dak Savage.


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[Assistant] Is one of the best beverages I've ever tasted in my life.


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[Assistant] They're all, they're all unbelievably good. The Dak Savage, maybe I was just surprised that it was so good and that the flavor, the way they nailed it, uh, is gonna be so, it's so good. And they're out. So anyways, if you need some of that clean energy,


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[Assistant] You don't need to do crystal methamphetamine to get energy. You don't need to do 378 milligrams of caffeine. You don't need a bunch of 32 grams of sugar. You don't, you don't even need chemicals at all. You can just get on that, on that discipline, go train.


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[Assistant] JockoFuel.com, OriginUSA.com, if you need some American-made clothing. If you need some hunt gear, it's coming. You saw, you saw that first little- I saw that. Little visual.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that would be the- yeah, cause those are getting ready. That was like the test line. That was the first one coming off the test line. How sick was that?


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, so hunts coming, jujitsu gear, giis, rash guards, you know, whatever you need, whatever you need. Boots, you need boots, we got you. You need jeans, we got you.


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[Assistant] And so the jeans are just at a, just getting better and better all the time. So originusa.com, jocostore.com. I see you've got a shirt on over there. It says just again.


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[Assistant] That's what we're doing. Uh, so, uh, jacobestore.com, if you want to get rash guards, you want to get some stuff that says stuff that we said on this podcast. I guess that's the most basic way to break it down. jacobestore.com. Subscribe to the podcast.


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[Assistant] Don't forget about Jocko unraveling. Man, Darryl Cooper and I got, uh, we're supposed to get another one of those in, check those out. Jocko underground.com. We got $8 and 18 cents a month. That's what allows us to do this and not live in fear of the man.


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[Assistant] We're not living in fear, because if they throw us off, it's alright, we got our own, we got our own system, we got our own platform. Thanks to you, subscribing to JockOwnerGround.com, we're also doing a little, little alternative podcast there.


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[Assistant] We're answering a bunch of questions. So if you're, if you're a subscriber to JockOunderground.com, you get an email to send questions to. I'm answering those questions all the time. So check that out. Check out our YouTube. You want to check out the, the, what Tim Kennedy looks like. Check out the YouTube channel, Jocko Podcast. Check out Origin USA for their, for their YouTube channel as well. Books.


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[Assistant] Stars and Stripes by Tim Kennedy. If you haven't gotten it yet, obviously get it. Only Cry for the Living, Holly McKay. Check that one out. All the books I've written. If you like some of the stuff I talk about here, you can check out those books. Echelonfront.com. If you have leadership problems inside your organization,


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[Assistant] Echelonfront.com and we will help your organization align its leadership and get moving in the right direction. We have a big event called the muster. Next one is in Atlanta, October 12th and 14th. We have sold out all events that we've ever done.


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[Assistant] This one's going to sell out too. So if you want to come to that.


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[Assistant] Go to echelonfront.com, get registered. We also have an online training platform for life. For life. For life.


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[Assistant] Figure out how to take ownership of your life. Figure out how to lead yourself through life. And also, that will help you figure out how to lead others.


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[Assistant] So this is what we talk about. We talk about all these different facets of leadership through yourself, through the way you're living your life. We got pre, pre-recorded courses on there with tests. We've got live sessions that we do. What else? What am I missing?


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[Assistant] It is a way for- Listen, leadership is a skill.


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[Assistant] Leadership is a skill. Just like shooting is a skill. Just like fighting and jujitsu is a skill. It's like you can't expect to get good at jujitsu without doing it. You can't expect to get good at fighting without doing it. You can't expect to be a good shot without learning how to shoot. It's a skill set. So is leadership. So since it is a skill set that you need to learn, where are you going to learn it from?


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[Assistant] Well, I will tell you where you learn it from. ExtremeOwnership.com. Go and check that out. I'll see you on there.


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[Assistant] If you want to help service members, active and retired, their families, Gold Star families, check out Mama Lee.


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[Assistant] That's Mark Lee's mom. She's got an awesome charity organization where she helps veterans, families, gold star families.


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[Assistant] It's americasmightywarriors.org. We've also got heroesandhorses.org. Micah Fink, just take him guys out into the wilderness on horses to sit in cold water and eat trail food. That's what he's doing for 41 days.


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[Assistant] It really helps guys out, helps them get through the trauma that they've been through. Clearly.


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[Assistant] Just an outstanding organization. You heard about some of the stuff. What's up with evacuating 12,000 people with 12 guys? In 10 days. In 10 days.


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[Assistant] That you want to see results from a charity?


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[Assistant] Go ahead and check that one out. SaveOurAllies.org. And you know what? They're engaged globally.


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[Assistant] Helping people throughout the world. That's what, that's what Tim and his team are doing. So if you want to help the world, you want to help people that are, that need saving, saveourallies.org. Also check out Sheepdog Response.


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[Assistant] Go, go into some of those courses. Learn about how to defend yourself. Learn about how to protect your family.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can tell the names he's rattling off of the guys that are teaching that.


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[Assistant] Uh, Tim included. I mean, they're just, they're just outstanding humans and there's no one better to learn from. So, check that out as well. Uh, once again, Tim Kennedy. Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. He's at Tim Kennedy. MMA. Uh, Twitter, Gram, Facebook.


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[Assistant] I'm at Jocko Willink. Where you at K-Dawg? Kerry underscore Helton. Is that the best you could do? You had to throw an underscore in there? What happened? There was already a K-Dawg out there? What?


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[Assistant] Uh, hey, when you're getting on there, you wanna check us out? Cool, I appreciate it. Dude, I'm gonna tell you right now, the algorithm's got, it's got, it's an offensive, effective tool.


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[Assistant] That they are using to get in your head and steal your time from me, from you.


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[Assistant] I feel like if I'm on there, I feel like someone's stealing my time from me.


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[Assistant] So, look, come on, check in, that's cool. Throw a comment, whatever. Do not get caught in the algorithm. Uhm, so that's that.


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[Assistant] Once again, thanks to Tim Kennedy for everything that he has done. He is doing just an awesome human. And you know, is he a perfect human? He's not a perfect human. None of us are.


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[Assistant] Talk about squared away trajectory is just inspiring to be around him. So thanks Tim once again for everything you're doing and everything you've done and thanks to all the folks that are in uniform right now.


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[Assistant] Out there in the world, standing the watch, protecting freedom, protecting our way of life. Thank you to all of you in uniform. And the same goes to our police and law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret service, and all the first responders out there. Thank you all for standing watch.


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[Assistant] Here at home and we got to hear some stories of what it's like for an EMT, what it's like for a firefighter, what it's like for police, what they see every day. Thanks to you all and to everybody else out there. Just remember where Tim was at. Remember what Tim went through.


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[Assistant] He was in a rough place, man. He'd been a firefighter. Fired. He had his hopes of dreams of becoming a police officer. Had those dreams squashed.


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[Assistant] He had a bunch of problems going on and he was, he was in a rough spot. He's ready to call it quits, but he didn't. He took accountability for his actions. He learned, he grew, he worked hard.


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[Assistant] And now he's out there helping others do the same. So no matter what happens, don't ever give up. Don't stop moving forward.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, y-you mentioned your back a few times. Oh.


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[Assistant] Bruh, that's so crazy because there are people who have not broke their back who have major back problems when they're 60 or 50, whatever. You see what I'm saying? It's crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I remember feeling that, not quite all that, but feeling that with, uhm, Bill Reader. And he was like, when, you know, you go through all his experience and you're like, look at this guy, he's just sitting here right now, just talking to me. And that's what he went through and here he is. There he is, right there, you know.


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[Assistant] But yours is even more because you remember that actual time when you were watching it. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and kind of goes back to something that you said before a while ago, where it's like those aren't-


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[Assistant] Yeaah, even the, like, look at em. Yeaah. You're like, oh, okay. Sixty?


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[Assistant] It's true, very true. And as we mentioned before, where, hey have you ever broke your back?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, I get it. Yeaah. I've never climbed 5 or any 14ers for that matter. And I haven't broken my back. So what I'm saying is the point there is that's saying a lot. Or it's putting things into perspective. See what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] We're like, you can break your back, you can break your femur. Compound fracture by the way.


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[Assistant] And then after that go, still lift, still climb 514ers, still, uh, run marathons.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like, okay, now it kind of puts into perspective. This might be a choice if we're not kinda on the path, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and even that is a crazy, weird little dichotomy too, right? Cause if you have a bad back and you start deadlifting all crazy heavy, it's like, bro, that's, that's bad.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, that can be dangerous too for sure. Nonetheless, we want to be capable, right? Regardless of how much you're lifting or not lifting, you want to be capable, you want to be capable of lifting heavy things, kind of got to exercise that kind of stuff. You want to be capable of running marathons or 14ers or whatever the case may be.


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[Assistant] You gotta exercise that kind of stuff. But when you exercise, yes, it is rough. It can be rough. So we might need supplementation, but don't worry, Jocko has supplementation. Jocko, look at that lens. Just lands it right in there. Hey, I'm just stating, I'm just stating the facts.


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[Assistant] So, for, uh, well, let's start with the energy drinks, okay? So not typical energy drinks, not traditional energy drinks, not old, old, unreliable, poisonous energy drinks.


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[Assistant] Cocaine or cocaine? Yeah, cocaine is for something.


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[Assistant] That's the new paradigm of energy drinks. Mhm. Stuff that's good for you. Good for your brain too. There's some new tropics in there. You gotta keep that in mind when you're drinking this stuff.


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[Assistant] Sometimes when we're lifting, running marathons, climbing 14 or 5, or whatever the case may be, sometimes joints get jammed up.


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[Assistant] We got some supplements for that as well, joint warfare, super krill oil, get on the, the, the, the subscription, actually to all these things, but especially for these, cause that's not the, that's not the fun one, like the molt, which I'll get into in a little bit.


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[Assistant] But every once in a while I forget that the, the krill oil and the joint work are not recently, but it has happened.


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[Assistant] But yea, if you get on the subscrips, it'll uh, that'll help. But nonetheless, you wanna look after your joints on these things, don't neglect them. It's easy to neglect if you let it, let it happen, but don't neglect.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. Oh yeaah, big time. But now you're getting the full on banana cream scenario. Creamy banana cream, right? Cause that's what she said, the frozen banana makes it more creamy. That's what she said. So yeaah. Mulk. Protein.


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[Assistant] And it makes complete sense. It makes complete sense. So yeaah, so like, you're gonna be like, it's gonna be on your mind way more. And under way more circumstances. As opposed to like, you're never like, okay, so a lot of times you're gonna be like, oh yeaah, I'm really in the mood for a little more kidder. Or, let's face it, big one.


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[Assistant] Or a triple one. Whatever the case may be, you will find yourself in the mood for that from time to time, pretty often actually. But, you don't really find yourself, you know what I'm in the mood for? To take some krill oil. It's like, it doesn't work, even though the benefits of the krill oil are very significant, you see what I'm saying? So I'm just saying, keep these things in mind.


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[Assistant] Or just origin USA in general. So, American made goods, products. We got jeans, we got boots, we got...


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[Assistant] Wallets. Belts. Pants. Other work pants. Hoodies. No. Heavy hoodies. Heavy hoodies. Like for real heavy hoodies. For real heavy hoodies. Not Hawaii heavy hoodies. No, no, no, no, no. Yea, a little bit different.


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[Assistant] Like, you ever, you ever known someone who really doesn't take pride in their work?


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[Assistant] You ever met someone who does take pride in their work? Yes, I have. Okay, so boom. It's night and day.


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[Assistant] As far as the contrast goes, at origin, like everyone, everybody, from Pete, all the way across the spectrum to


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[Assistant] Everyone else. They're taking pride in their work. Trust me. I've been there. I've seen it with my own eyes. It's true. Speaking of taking pride in our work, Jocko is a store. It's called Jocko's Store.


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[Assistant] It's a good store there. Jockstore.com is where you can get your Discipline Equals, Freedom, Shirts, Hats, Hoodies. Some rash guards on there. Some shorts on there. I know it's seasonal, uh, Christmas season. Little cooler. Not everywhere though. See what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] But unlike the Hurt Locker, this is good stuff. Like this is good, good stuff. Puts a smile on your face. New shirt every month, creative designs, good ones.


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[Assistant] This next one, you might, you might recognize this next one. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yep, yep, it's true. All upside. Good stuff. JockoStore.com if you want to represent, that's where you get the stuff.


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[Assistant] I think it's gray. Ohhhh. You know, but yes, I checked my, well, you know, we know it's not, we know it's not an imposter scenario. Okay. See what I'm saying. But yeah, the video version of this podcast, you're gonna see what everybody looks like. It's a good, good mode.


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[Assistant] A lot of people watching, uhm, YouTube on their TVs nowadays. Well, with smart TVs and whatnot. You know what that is, right? A smart TV.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there you go, boom. That's one of the ways. Oh yes sir, you are. But yeah man, so yeah, YouTube channel, we got some excerpts on there. Uhm, you know, some other stuff, some additional stuff. We do, we're starting to put some additional stuff on there. Oh yeah, check that one out. Subscribe if you want.


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[Assistant] There are things you gotta be anal about, and I think you certainly have to have a philosophy of it's the little things that will kill you. If you don't do the little things well, it's really hard to do the big things well. Obviously there's a balance inside there, but.


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[Assistant] Itself, he's assigned to that aircraft, and he is responsible for that aircraft being airworthy, meaning it's legit to fly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, even getting into aviation, I think there's probably some attributes that they screen for initially, you know, on even which basic MOS or what basic part of the Marine Corps you go to and then inside that certainly.


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[Assistant] So when I walk out to a jet and I'm gonna go man up that jet and go fly it, the plane captain is there and he'll have somebody with him.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, this other Marine is gonna take the lead on today's mission. Or whatever that might be, and he's kinda doing what we call left seat, right seat, or sort of a training run.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. The other key responsibility that the plane captain has, and this is different in other services, but in the Marine Corps it's very specific. The plane captain, they call it power line because you're responsible for the line, the aircraft line, all the jets. You're also responsible for the power plants. So these are your engine mechanics. So in the Marine Corps, the engine mechanic


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[Assistant] So I was the officer in charge of the power line division, the engine mechs, and the plane captains. And to this day, probably the best job I had.


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[Assistant] 30 plus young Marines, you know, there's sergeants, there's a staff sergeant, but it's it's almost all Lance corporals and corporals making it happen. It's the best job ever.


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[Assistant] I was young enough in my career that I had the time to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] And even just the questions that get asked on these boards to certify these Marines, the level of detail inside that was indicative that


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[Assistant] Because of what, what was at risk if those small details get missed, especially in


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[Assistant] You know, a really expensive, really fast machine that has this huge amount of responsibility and this massive asset you can't just replace. And that philosophy of the little things will kill you was embedded from the very, very beginning.


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[Assistant] What's cool about understanding how important the small things are rather than overlooking them is that it actually gives you some insight about what you can and can't tolerate.


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[Assistant] If I don't pay attention to any of the little things because I'm a big picture guy and I don't care, there are some little things that are going to kill me and I might not know about it.


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[Assistant] But if I'm sort of obsessive about knowing all those things, what it actually gives me in an airplane and really in anything,


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[Assistant] It gives me an understanding of that, that little thing, that is a little thing. We're gonna ignore that and we're gonna press. Or, that little thing, it's fine now, but if it leads to this and this, then we got a problem that could get worse. Or, that little thing will get us killed.


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[Assistant] And they called them brown shirts. They wore brown jerseys on the carrier. Those are your plane captains. Those are your crew chiefs. And they have the most unappreciated, unforgiving job. They're the ones out there two o'clock in the morning trying to fix an engine hanging over the side of an aircraft carrier so that jet is on the flight schedule the next day.


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[Assistant] To learn about that, uhm, it also is a great way to get to know the Marines extremely well. But being a brown shirt, being a crew chief, a plane captain on a carrier,


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[Assistant] Man, those young kids are putting in just the most ridiculous hours doing the hardest job in the world with almost no thanks, no appreciation at all because what they need is to get a jet to make the flight schedule and then, you know, Dave Burke mans up the jet and gets all the glory because he launches off the carrier.


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[Assistant] Every single thing, and I'm sure it's true for all of them, but a hornet engine is a complex piece of machinery.


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[Assistant] Especially like if you're a soldier. It's really hard to do anything when your feet are up. Literally. Like, and I have this picture of this person who's at a desk whose feet are up on the desk.


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[Assistant] And you actually can't do or go or move anywhere when your feet are up. And even just to start contrasting your mind of what he means by that, which isn't just to stop and think it's actually


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[Assistant] Put yourself in a position where you're not doing anything while you're thinking. And then of course the dichotomy inside them. I just can't help but imagine the idea that he understands that.


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[Assistant] Pushing to the default aggressive is actually where you have to go to get them to get away from that natural state, which is to do nothing.


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[Assistant] The power curve in an aircraft is a place, literally it's a curve that they draw and it's based on like, factors like thrust and lift, is if you get behind the power curve, it requires more power than you have.


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[Assistant] Which, again, in that literal sense, and the curve is like, once you get past that curve, you know, I think the saying is like, more power to go slower. Like, you don't have the power or the thrust to keep the aircraft doing what it's doing, and if you get behind the power curve,


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[Assistant] There's, you can, if you do these other things, you don't have to get there.


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[Assistant] And obviously immediately tether that to the idea of humility. It's such an important piece of that because, and I would see this all the time is,


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[Assistant] But because they were comfortable doing the things they were good at, they spent all their time doing the things they were good at. And you got more experience and more senior, the more those other gaps,


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[Assistant] And actually spend some time working on that. And how easy is it to fall in the trap of


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[Assistant] And that self, the self-evaluation of what do I know I'm not good at and how easily we can just ignore what we know we need to be working on.


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[Assistant] I'm just cracking up listening to you tell these stories and just kind of putting my version of that in my experience, but I think also in a leadership role, doesn't matter if you're in the military, doesn't matter if you're in the private sector and whether you're training a real world, uh, you also have to know what matters.


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[Assistant] Every single slide is now going to get reviewed three layers downstream of someone trying to make sure. Oh, Dave's real obsessive about the font.


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[Assistant] And I bet you if you grab that general and go, hey general, uhm, we have to spend three hours fixing this spacing on this brief. Do you want us to do that? He would say no. Where did you even get that? But he made a comment or it came out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I think there's a connection too to the previous comment you made about the why is it.


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[Assistant] There, your people will have so much more resilience and be able to tolerate so much more hard training. And if you're just out there just training hard because that's how you are, and they can't make any connection to all this extra time, all this extra work, that it doesn't lead to something, you will run into a problem. But if you can connect that, why? And then go, oh, this real world thing was so much easier.


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[Assistant] I mean I think, I think that ability to...


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[Assistant] And that, even there's a little bit of showmanship of, you are gonna present yourself as if the situation that we're in, no matter what it is, is totally awesome. This is gonna be a blast. We're gonna, we're gonna whatever. And,


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[Assistant] Here we go, and how instantaneously you can set the tone, and if you in the back of your mind recognize that


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[Assistant] They're gonna guide off your behavior and whatever you show them, they're gonna show them back that showmanship of how your attitude is gonna be towards anything and how quickly you can commandeer half your team's attitude just by showing that this is gonna be fun or a good time. And even if they know you're faking it, they get on board.


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[Assistant] The idea that you have to kind of play the game a little bit and sort of act a little bit in a leadership role and how easy it is to do that, uh, is such an overlooked thing.


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[Assistant] And yeah, I think, you know, obviously the semantics of the word, you want to be careful with that. You, you don't want to fake anything in terms of, hey, I don't really believe this, but I'm going to do it. You got to find the truth that's inside there. But if there's something that's just like, Hey, we've got to do this thing.


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[Assistant] Top gun level stuff, they weren't giving you explicit stuff on speaking, but there was a lot of work on writing.


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[Assistant] The natural tendency thing that you, you spoke to made me think of something as it was really obvious, especially early in the career.


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[Assistant] Empowerful that capacity is and to your point that if you weren't good at it.


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[Assistant] And it's really kind of hard to make the connection between just, you know, swear words and professionalism. But I think as I'm thinking, I'm hearing you talking, I'm actually thinking about a little bit of the logic behind that. I think something you said was kind of really important was,


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[Assistant] But there was this idea that you are always being watched. And what they were trying to impress upon you is that when you wear a Top Gun patch and you're in a squadron space, whether you're an instructor or former instructor, that patch is going to draw attention to you. I bet it's very much like a trident. You see some with a trident.


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[Assistant] And look, you're gonna immediately get some cred. I don't care who you're, you're gonna get looked at. And they're gonna kinda be like, alright,


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[Assistant] Let's, what's this guy all about? And if you have a Trident, I imagine in the Navy and the military service, that symbol has meaning. And what they wanted to impress upon us is that,


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[Assistant] You are going to be judged at a higher standard, a higher level than you have ever been because that path that you had and they wanted to impress upon you the need to be a professional as often as you can. And I think the point you made is.


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[Assistant] In the squadron of spaces, I don't even know how often I swore. So, I think that idea that you were being judged to a particular standard, and that's true, listen, what you want from your people in your organization, they want to feel the obligation to represent that organization well.


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[Assistant] Well, you've said something in the past and, and I think there's an element


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[Assistant] You even talked about it too, like the times that you've had to yell at someone or raise your voice, I think the element that you've talked about that's so important is that


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[Assistant] You were aware of that. That was based on an escalation of a whole series of other approaches that did not get the reaction, which is different than, yeah, Jocko, like, I just lost my temper, I just no longer had control of myself and I just started screaming at somebody. You know, even inside the idea of yelling, which,


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[Assistant] On very rare occasions, there are some times that you're gonna have to do that, that you're still aware that you're doing that. As opposed to just,


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[Assistant] Just trying to like imagine the affront to your ego.


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[Assistant] I was with the company, they were doing a workshop about picking a logo.


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[Assistant] We're not gonna do B, but A and C are, they're good, they were both good.


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[Assistant] And if you're gonna sell it all on round versus square or red versus blue on the logo


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[Assistant] When those important times do come, nobody's gonna listen to you. When it actually matters, they're not gonna listen to you because they're so used to you saying, I am not giving up my position. It's logo A or death.


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[Assistant] Where the problem would come, which sometimes is, is someone's ego would come into play. We'd then go implement this with a, a squadron or a class or something. And then I'd sit down and I'd go, hey, the way we're gonna do this, uh, this problem, Jocko, we're gonna do it like that. And you're like, why? And I'd say,


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[Assistant] Well listen, I actually didn't want to do it this way, but here's how we're going to do it. So that little need for me to still be right, for me to get my way and not accept the outcome, I would poison the reality of


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[Assistant] I didn't really want to do this. I actually think this is kind of dumb, but we're gonna go do it anyway. Now what are the chances if I take that approach, that when we go execute, I'm really gonna get the feedback to come back and go, hey guys, we executed on this plan three times and look, it did not work. We need to make some changes.


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[Assistant] And then go, okay, cool, let's go back to the drawing board. I'll do that all day long. And we'd see it rarely, but we'd see guys go, well.


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[Assistant] Don't just agree with it, get on board, get on board, and the best it'll work, and at worst she'll come back and go, hey man, hey Jocko, we ran this a couple times, there's some feedback here, we can make some tweaks, and now I can take that plan and I can influence and get a better outcome for the team.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna win on both, cause I'm gonna come back and go, hey dude, I did your plan dude, it was awesome man, we crushed it. That was awesome man, thank you for that feedback, the team did really well. And we're, it's awesome. Or I come back and go, dude,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna win no matter what. Because I'm gonna come back and go, dude, you're awesome, great idea, thanks bro. Or I'm gonna come back and go, dude, I'm still struggling, can you walk me through this? We are not getting past these steps. And you're gonna either go,


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[Assistant] And look, I worked for him. It was not easy at first. I had to figure him out. But once I figured him out, it was super easy to work for him because I knew what he wanted. And I could stay ahead of him. And I could anticipate the things that he needed.


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[Assistant] And if you just spend less time thinking about what's wrong with your boss and all the dumb things he's making you do and spend more time thinking like, alright, what is he trying to get accomplished? What's his personality like? What do I need to do to get ahead of him to help him so I can help the team?


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[Assistant] Cracking that code is usually not that hard. And when you crack the code,


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[Assistant] Not only does your boss life get better, your life gets so much better. It's so much easier. And just like you described, to push that down to the team. That's where, that's where the win is. It's like, you can take care of your team, you can help your team, you can make sure your team's successful. So if you're looking at this about how hard that is, that's just your ego telling you, well your boss is the problem.


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[Assistant] I'm in a similar boat. I never drank an energy drink before a go. Ever. I don't drink them. So I had no frame of reference.


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[Assistant] When we made the orange, I got to do all the flavor testing and all that stuff. At the end, I'm like, this thing is incredible. It tastes like an orange crush or whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a three-seater. Okay. You know, the pilot in the back and then side by side seats.


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[Assistant] Work in their lives. Yeah, pretty heavy chores. And then later on there's a depression, uh, hips.


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[Assistant] Well, at least we, we didn't suffer too bad from food because we manufactured food. Right.


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[Assistant] And I always went on the inner, inner road, you know. And, uh, so I came around the corner. He's behind the wheel, and I'm over here, staring, and, you know, with the foot pedal too. And so I come up to,


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[Assistant] Go down the road and hope it's blocked by a car.


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[Assistant] On the side of a hill, not too heavy down, well, you know, the whole fuselage was there. And the other parts of it were in the area.


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[Assistant] The Sacramento Air Depot was building up as a depot.


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[Assistant] Uh, right at graduation. Oh, at graduation, okay. Right at graduation, six months before. Got it. Pilehammer. And I can remember to this day,


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[Assistant] I don't think there was too much of that to tell you the truth.


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[Assistant] I went in, if you knew what you wanted to do.


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[Assistant] Plus the fighter group and yeaah, it's something like that.


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[Assistant] Yes, yeaah. We had not won the battle of the Atlantic yet and we're taking


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[Assistant] He came down to, I didn't know this, I read it in his book later. He came down to visit the 8th Fighter Command headquarters. You know, first time.


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[Assistant] Of Germany, and I credit General Doolittle.


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[Assistant] Uh, especially of altitude. I learned later that, uhm,


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[Assistant] A Messerschmitt in the hands of a good pilot down low could give a Mustang a hard time. But I never experienced that.


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[Assistant] Compared to the zero? Yeah, where you had to, we had, we had,


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[Assistant] And uh, they would last, you know, they were long, sometimes we made our own overcast with all these things. Uh, then the fighters joined them later, you know,


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[Assistant] And so we went ahead, we had a heading, and you'd arrive up there, hopefully at the proper time. But if it wasn't, you remember on the tails of the B-17s, they put these big letters, mmhm, square D, A,


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[Assistant] Big, big letters. We would join, see what the letters were, and then fly up and down and find ours. Gah, it was, it was, it sounds...


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[Assistant] Look down and see pretty good, but you can't see forward.


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[Assistant] Well, there was a lot of those, and we see these two columns of B-17s were sitting up here, and they're going along at the same rate.


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[Assistant] And the thing is, is that, uh, what we call


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[Assistant] Situational awareness. You have to do that. You have to know.


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[Assistant] People latched onto, but the basic program


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[Assistant] And then if you want to get out, just add throttle to it.


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[Assistant] This was using two F-84s, two airplanes, one on each wing. That was going to be the panel. Right. And we had gone through the manual flying of it.


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[Assistant] And so I could never get power. This was something like the fifth, fifth time. And


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[Assistant] Nervous, you know. They wanted progress.


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[Assistant] Look, and the contractor was a low bidder on the autopilot.


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[Assistant] And I'm in the Pentagon now and I got a new boss and he's pissed off at me because I'm going away flying. They ask him to let me go. I should have told them to stick it. So they didn't, they didn't see much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I have to say that, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, the Cold War was still on, but what he was doing was, uh,


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[Assistant] Now it got that name from crashes. Oh. In the development of the airplane. Got it. And after, after, after it was deployed even the first few years. And I remember when I went to the, um,


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[Assistant] No end date, you know. When did we, when did we shut down? Right. State Department was the problem there.


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[Assistant] Oh, after, yeaah. Yeaah, after they shut it down. Yeaah, we're still closing the bass now.


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[Assistant] Uh, State Department, everybody. And, title, close your, close the,


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[Assistant] Closure of Tocqueville plan, something like that.


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[Assistant] And he was in there tearing out the electric wire, electrocuted himself. They were, you know, selling it.


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[Assistant] Labor intensive to tear up, uh, tear down very heavy. If I tore down.


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[Assistant] Tore them down, shipped them home, nobody would have said a word, but it would have cost like hell. But if I put them in the dump,


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[Assistant] South Vietnam had a cra- they needed them badly.


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[Assistant] That must have just been like filled with chatter the whole time. Yeaah, that was really...


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[Assistant] And is that just a matter of chance, whether it hits you or not?


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[Assistant] What space? Isn't space 50,000 feet? How high up is space? I forget what, there is an official


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[Assistant] I can't remember, but I'm not against the word shut up at all.


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[Assistant] That's like an alias, nickname, you know, that kind of stuff. I see that for sure. But I don't think Facebook is like openly permissive about it. I think it's like they try to make you have your real name. It seems like it.


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[Assistant] Yep, speaking of uh, speaking of Christmas, sometimes you want to get a shirt or something, you know. People representing, I'm telling you. You want a Discipline, Ego, Freedom shirt or hat or hoodie, whatever. Go to JockoStore.com


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[Assistant] We got a few rash guards on there. She wants to represent. There you go. On the path. I'll get you a shirt too. You don't have one already. Get you a tank top or something like that. Also, shirt locker. It's a subscription scenario where you get a shirt every month. Some good stuff coming out.


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[Assistant] There you go. Well, he can't technically go back to the doughnuts thing.


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[Assistant] He can't advocate even for, uh, moderation. I painted myself into a corner with those.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you declared anti-donut early on too. Yeah, so you cannot, just like, like how you- And also- Hey wait, is it my ego though? It's just my ego. It's part of the gig for sure.


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[Assistant] But, you start advocating for donuts, alcohol, whatever. Some people are like, hey, Jockelson, it's okay. So they start freaking pounding donuts every week, you know? Can't do that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] That's interesting you guys just discuss, cause you know, diet, how to raise kids, uhm, I think exercise might be another one, religion and politics, those are the hot button subjects. So we're covering all of them today? Yea, pretty much. But this is the one you guys are opposed to, that's the thing.


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[Assistant] No, we'll actually put it this way, there was the first reason, the primary reason, and then there's like a secondary reason that sh- that shuffled like right in there as well. The secondary reason is, uh, from the Bibles, like current sufferings don't outweigh future glory, something like this.


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[Assistant] And then, but the primary reason was hardcore recondition. Yeah, it's HR. Okay.


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[Assistant] Sure, uh, feels like a big question. I, uh, I grew up in southern Wisconsin, really small town, beautiful there. Uhm, not much to do in that area. You're probably fishing or hunting. My dad owned a chain of, uh, grocery stores, uhm, and my mom worked, uh, just


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[Assistant] Bowling, curling, fishing, hunting, or going to the bar. That was about it.


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[Assistant] This is a big deal in Wisconsin, let me tell you. Uhm, it's very cold for about 8 months out of the year, so uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, I, you know, similar to what Karlyn is saying, I don't know that like sitting here right now, like the only intentionality in that for me and coming into this therapy world was just this idea that through life, uhm, every step I took forward in terms of overcoming, uhm, just brought me further,


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[Assistant] There was no way I was going to be able to do something different for myself or do something different for the family I wanted to have if I stayed there. And so from a very young age, I sort of started my path towards independence. I started working at a very young age.


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[Assistant] The military sort of came into my life as this idea of like here's an opportunity to go somewhere to do something. I actually was finishing some


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[Assistant] Watching the September 11th occurrences in 2001 and I just remember looking at the screen and being like...


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[Assistant] Oh, this is, this is, this is what I'm going to do. I had entertained the military for a period of time and I had thought maybe this was my opportunity, but it was in that moment that I was like, okay, like this, I feel a sense of purpose, like drawn to something. And in the environment that I grew up in, I kind of always knew that I wanted something different for myself, but I did, I lacked a lot of direction and people in my life to kind of help me.


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[Assistant] You know, it's really interesting. I think it was, it had to do with the recruiter at the time because I was, I was definitely a youth that was, you know, getting, you know, some help from the community and different things. And at that time in the Midwest, you know, recruiters would come into those areas and introduce themselves and such. And so, um, I just remember him as being somebody that, uh,


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[Assistant] I was like, okay, like, he, he feels, he seems confident, like, I, I, you know, he carries himself, like, like, this is, like, something I want to be a part of.


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[Assistant] And it sort of seems cliche, but at the time it was everything for me because I didn't, you know, the friends that I had at the time and I had, you know, been living with friends at a very young age and such, like, weren't really going to a lot of places. Jail, I lost a lot of friends to...


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[Assistant] You know, death, you know, suicide, overdoses, there was just a lot of that in my life. Uhm, and so just being around somebody who uhm, just sort of represented like a possibly different future and like life was, was huge for me. It was like a role model mentor. Uhm, and so I, I joined.


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[Assistant] My first orders were actually to the USS Kitty Hawk in Japan at the time and I was, uhm,


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[Assistant] I got like set to leave about a week later and my orders got cancelled because there wasn't enough birthing for females at the time and I was rerouted to ACB 1 in San Diego and I got there and uhm,


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[Assistant] I was getting issued camis and boots and like we were getting ready to deploy to Kuwait because this was like August of, or this was like latter part of 2002, so we were like getting ready to go overseas, um, for everything that was happening during Operation and during Freedom.


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[Assistant] It was such a blessing for me because it was like a form of re-parenting. Like the amount of structure that I went into, I knew exactly what was expected of me.


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[Assistant] And it was also the first time that I learned how much, I think because of the environment I grew up in, that I uhm,


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[Assistant] And I, I, I wanted to lead, and I found myself in a lot of leadership positions. I found myself an opportunity, like, volunteer for this, volunteer for that, I'll do it. And it really gave me the opportunity to, uhm,


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[Assistant] My first interest in doing some counseling such actually came from, I thought originally I was going to go to school to be


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[Assistant] Uhm, to do organizational psychology to- for leadership. Like that was really my goal. I- I always wanted to be a leader. For me it was-


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[Assistant] I don't know if you want to call it a natural leadership quality, but there was just like this part of me that


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[Assistant] That, you know, to like hear that story, to be a part of that, like it just, uhm, it was a really powerful thing for me, uhm, and I was realizing for other people as well at the time, and so,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I got offered an opportunity to do some work with, uhm, families in, uh, pre and post-deployment, uhm, sort of support. And it was very logistical at the time. How do you support families in, like, uhm, you know, preparing for the...


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[Assistant] Logistics of bills or separation or what's going on, but what I, what I realized at that time was that there was a significant amount of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Support that these families needed and understand like how much role shifts were happening when one of the partners would deploy and then I'm making this new group of friends while my husband or my wife is gone and they're making their new group of friends and our kids are getting used to me as playing like both mom and dad and doing these different roles and


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[Assistant] They just did not have the resources to be able to deal with that and I think because I had gone through what I did as a child, I could recognize things related to like mental health or relationship issues or things like that. I didn't really have the skill set yet to know exactly what to do with that other than just my mindset was always like,


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[Assistant] You just do keep moving forward and one step at a time and you make healthy decisions and you recognize that.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't exist in a vacuum, and the things I do matter, and how I treat people matter, and I could support people a lot with that, but it was uhm,


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[Assistant] That was what first drew me to the idea of counseling. And uhm, at the time I was, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, you're, you're in the middle of the desert and people are going through wartime and we had, you know, incoming missiles coming in, we're running, you know, teconics boxes that are buried in the ground for like shelter, like people were, uhm, on edge during that time for sure. And so, uhm, uh, but I learned a lot, uhm, and if anything it was walking away from that knowing that I could, uhm,


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[Assistant] It doesn't matter what life throws at you, if you just keep moving forward, like, you'll get through it, uhm, for sure, so.


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[Assistant] Presented itself to me, so uhm, so yeaah, I was there for a year and actually didn't find out until the day before we were leaving that I was leaving, so it was like, you know, coming up to you like, here's your plane ticket, you're leaving tomorrow, I'm like...


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[Assistant] The, you know, uh, you know, special operations, special forces were there, the Air Force was there, we had Australian, um, British, you know, military, it was a huge camp, Kuwaiti Naval Base, and, um, so, uh,


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[Assistant] Go take, you know, shelter, and then cut back. I gave up, so I didn't make any pauses. And also for me, I, you know, I was moving forward. I didn't have a whole lot of connections to the past, so I just, uh...


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[Assistant] So that was when I was a, when I was a contractor. I started, so I started with my, I actually went to school to be a pharmacy tech while I was still on active duty. I was uhm, you know, single mom at the time and uhm, just raising my son and going to school at night and working during the day and uh, pharmacy tech seemed like a good option for me at the time to have a job when I got out. So I finished that before


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[Assistant] I got out, I started working at uhm, a compounding pharmacy and very quickly realized this is not what I want to do. Uhm, went back to school.


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[Assistant] Direct and indirect clinical hours in order to obtain your degree and so you get introduced to various treatment centers while you're in your school to, uhm,


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[Assistant] Because this was the school that I could do at night while I was commuting. I was commuting from Temecula down to Naval Air Station at the time. It was like 72 miles one way and so I was just kind of moving through life like, you know, just doing the things that I thought I needed to do to move forward.


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[Assistant] And then I met Carrie Ann Carlin and I came to know Humblechia. And Humblechia was just this really special place. It was like,


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[Assistant] I like to call it like a, I'm very much so all about like small business ownership and like what that means for our economy and such. But Carrie and Carlin just, they just own this treatment center and it was not


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[Assistant] Really beautiful things were happening in terms of supporting these people, suffering through very severe things. I mean, when you have a loved one who has a, a chronic complex psychiatric disorder, something that you're not getting rid of, right? We're, we're like making friends with this, we're learning how to, how to, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, uh, accept it, grieve what I thought was going to be for my kiddo, you know, whatever it may be. Uhm, when a family lets you into their life to like walk through that path with them, it is a very special thing. And I, I knew at that point, like, okay, this is what I want to do. I want to work with families. Uhm, and when I, I started to realize, not in, only in my own life, but in what we were doing, that we were,


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[Assistant] In a way that allows them to envision a different identity for themselves, like life could be different, like we don't actually have to keep going in this way or continue these patterns.


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[Assistant] I mean, you think about the impact of that for years and years to come. We're talking about hundreds of people that could be impacted by one person choosing to do something different. That was like everything to me, and that's what I knew I wanted to do. And it's what I realized I was able to do for my family in a lot of ways. Uhm, and then this sort of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Became my family, uhm, when I was there, like, just, I was able to be seen in a different way. It was like, oh, we have this new leadership opportunity, like, you do it. And I'm like, me?


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[Assistant] I think we're trying to create some reparative experiences because when you talk about the story of the guy who quit or the guy who went, I would be really curious about his history and past around what happened when he was struggling.


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[Assistant] When he was having a hard time or needed to move through something or didn't know if he could move forward, what was the response or message that he received in his environment? And the thing about, you know, some of these aspects of mental health, very complex, hard to pinpoint exactly what needs to be. But the story that you just told about this child, that response when someone chooses to


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[Assistant] How we respond to them is pivotal because it shapes their experience of whether or not that's a safe thing to do again in the future.


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[Assistant] What cultures or what things influence why someone might, you know, keep things to themselves or be less inclined to share or come forward if they're struggling with something.


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[Assistant] Uhm, is, you know, how we respond is huge. And so I, you know, there's so much aspects of what's going on for another person that we don't actually have control over. But what we do have control over is sort of our own reaction to when someone is sharing something with us that appears upsetting.


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[Assistant] Uhm, do we want to shut it down and kind of, this should be fine and move past it because that creates an experience for them or can we kind of tolerate whatever feelings are coming up for us when we see someone who's struggling or with


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[Assistant] Working through something that I have no idea how to fix or how to respond to, but can I sit with them for enough time to create an experience for them that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Let's them know that like, if something's coming up for me again, or if I need to work through this, it's safe to come to this person, or this environment is safe enough to be able to share what's going on for me. Uhm, because if it's not,


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[Assistant] And that person goes inside, then when we look at more severe things like suicide or very chronic, you know, psychiatric disorders, that becomes much more debilitating, uhm, in a way that can, you know, cost someone their life.


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[Assistant] Opposed to this idea that uhm, I'm experiencing some symptoms associated with bipolar disorder or I'm experiencing some symptoms associated with this or


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[Assistant] You know, after some reflection, I've, I've, I have an unaddressed trauma in my past that's showing up like, you know, very volatile outbursts or something like that. And so I think, you know, how we talk about it is really important.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because nowadays, and if you have kids my age, there's plenty of kids walking around self-diagnosed as OCD or depression or these sorts of things because they hear about something and I am this and I can't do this because I have this and, uhm,


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[Assistant] I would say absolutely yes, I mean, because what we're trying to do is help people, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, identify differently with what's happening in their life or create a new narrative or story around what's going on in their life. So, I mean, this happens not just with the individual, but with families, right? Like if I'm, uh, if I hear that my kiddo who's historically done really well,


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[Assistant] You know, they're talented. They've done it well in music all through high school. All of a sudden they're in their first or second year of college and they're starting to display some really interesting symptoms.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they have their first psychotic break, it's like devastating for a family, like what happens, very common around that age frame for something like this to happen.


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[Assistant] Hopelessness, and so what we try to do is come back a little bit to say, like, well, you know.


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[Assistant] Why don't you think he's able to live alone? Well he hasn't taken out the-


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[Assistant] What we can get to, and this takes a lot of time, is essentially the fear associated with, like, if I was to, to push him towards something, or if he, he's not capable, or because of this illness now he can't do this, and we have to really unpack, and it's different for every family, but we have to really unpack that to figure out what it is that they've decided collectively.


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[Assistant] This means for their life, right? These symptoms or this diagnosis and then help them envision something sort of different for themselves and then


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[Assistant] Well he's been taking out the trash all week here and if he doesn't his peer tells him like hey you didn't take out the trash and so go do that or experience some of the


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[Assistant] Natural consequences associated with IFI just...


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[Assistant] Leave my stuff everywhere, you know, but my roommate tells me like, hey, you know, this room like stinks. Can you like clean this up? Like some of that peer to peer interaction, but we have to create those opportunities for that. And then interestingly, when people start to engage in this, it's not like a cognitive like, oh yeah, I'll go do this thing and something will be different. It's usually more like,


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[Assistant] My symptoms got really activated when I was gonna go try to learn how to take the bus or do the, do the trolley, but you know what, like I had someone with me and I was able to do it and it was like okay and it didn't stay that way forever and then so the, the kind of the insight comes a little bit later, uh, with the experience that like I can experience some discomfort or I can let my


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[Assistant] Kiddo struggle a little bit or go through something and I can actually tolerate some of my fear that this could be like devastating for him because you know often times when we get to it especially for families who have


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[Assistant] You know, we're, we're sort of, uhm, in a good place if a family's coming to us at a first break, because we can help them, like, right there, but often times people come to us 14 hospitals. Like a last resort type thing.


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[Assistant] I mean, it, it looks like a break from reality. It's different for each person. You know, uh, uh, that process sometimes can...


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[Assistant] Maybe auditory, it could be tactile in terms of a person's, you know, experience of what they're feeling in their body, maybe visual, uhm, just a break from reality.


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[Assistant] I mean, could be, yes, or it could be as a parent you're hearing this, you're like, that's really odd, like, why would the neighbors be listening to them? Or so sometimes this can go on for a period of time where there's like some things that, you know, you notice some more isolation or not hanging out with friends as much, or maybe there's some substance use that is sort of new. And so it's not always so, like, in your face obvious.


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[Assistant] Where the brain stays in a constant state of psychosis for a longer period of time. It's hard to know what it's going to look like when they come out of that, right?


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[Assistant] I mean, I think it depends on the person and their ability to sort of like self-moderate their exposure to stuff like that. Because if you're, if, if you're in a healthier place and you can moderate your exposure to that and you realize, gosh, I just spent two hours scrolling through this super unhealthy, I'm not feeling good and I can set some sort of boundaries for myself around that, then like,