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[Assistant] Uh, on a different operation, I'm not a part of the same thing, like going out there, talking to those guys, shaking their hands and knowing that like they may not be coming back from that. Um, and I think that was the biggest.


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[Assistant] That was the biggest for me, like, illustration of like, that strain. And again, we laughed, we joked, it wasn't, there was nothing morbid, we were telling jokes and laughing and kidding each other.


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[Assistant] But, uh, but that was really there. And I remember we got relieved, you know, by the next SEAL Team, SEAL Team 5 that came in. Uhm, and, you know, good, good bros of mine that I'd served with, because I'd come from SEAL Team 5. Uhm, and, uh, I knew those guys when they were going out, too. You know, I knew what they were going out into, you know, and I just remember.


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[Assistant] Uh, going out there for that goodbye to them and shaking their hands and talking to them about because we knew exactly what they were going into and they're going to keep getting after it.


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[Assistant] That's what, that's what courage is all about. You know, I think, uh, just to, to see guys, you know, that are just,


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[Assistant] In the thick of the fight with bullets missing their heads by inches. You know, I remember, uh, I remember on the rooftop of...


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[Assistant] Bomb disposal technician, awesome, awesome guy. He's, he's laying on the rooftop and there's armor piercing rounds coming through the roof, punching through concrete wall, you know, that's just like three inches over his head.


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[Assistant] And he's just laying there and, and I remember crawling up there trying to figure out, hey, is everybody okay? And he's like looking at me like thumbs up laughing about it. And I mean, just the humor of those guys, right? Dealing with that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, just seeing the guys, guys like Mark Lear, just the most hilarious guy you could imagine, just cracking jokes, you know, and singing the, you know, the cheeseball 80's tunes, you know, I Am The Warrior, and, and, uh, and us laughing about, and talking about that stuff, and just, just, that's how they dealt with it, you know, and, and,


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[Assistant] But it just tremendous courage and you know, not just our SEALs, not just guys that, that we work with those, those Marines and the soldiers that we served alongside and just.


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[Assistant] Uhm, watching those guys day in and day out, you know, uhm, who often didn't have as much control over what they were doing as we did, you know, down at the frontline level.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but just out there getting after it with a great attitude, uh, and you know, nobody's fearless, right? Nobody, you know, some people think, oh, you know, we get that question all the time, right, from businesses, like, well, it's, you know, it's,


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[Assistant] Mortals are, you know, fearful, but you guys are fearless. Like, no, nobody's fearless. Like, you recognize how mortal you are, and that can happen anytime, and yet you see these guys just...


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[Assistant] That is the, that is the bright light, you know, that we brought back from, you know, from that conflict to see and witness that and just the tremendous human spirit that can overcome anything.


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[Assistant] And we do talk about it all the time and it's one of the most frequent questions I get asked like, well, you know, in the SEAL teams, you've got everyone's motivated and everyone's focused and it's a life or death.


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[Assistant] You know, so they're going to stay sharp and they're going to follow a procedure no matter what. And you know, my, my team's not like that in the business world or, you know, people I work with aren't like that. And the best teams, they only follow that procedure, right?


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[Assistant] Because they've got leaders that are stepping up and making it happen.


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[Assistant] We have some amazing people in the SEAL teams. Just like we have some amazing people in the military. Uhm, in army and marine units and other special operations units, etc.


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[Assistant] Even with life or death on the line, people get complacent. People start letting the ball drop, not cleaning their weapons when they need to, or not following a procedure, or letting their guard down.


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[Assistant] That units are going to stay focused and not have that happen when they've got good leaders. They got a fire team leader in charge of his four guys is stepping up and making sure that his guys are squared away and staying focused. They've got a, you know, they've got a squad leader.


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[Assistant] Guess what? You're the only guy watching that serial. And everyone else has got their backs to you. So if you're not doing your job, you're gonna get, those people are getting shot in the back. And yet, if...


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[Assistant] What happens? Hey, I've been here. I've been on the stairwell. Look, man, we've done this operation a dozen times. We've been in this building multiple times. Nobody's ever come up the stairs.


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[Assistant] I've been sitting here for hours on end, like, hasn't happened, so people will fall asleep. People will stop paying attention. And only if you've got good leaders who are gonna go check on that guy and make sure that he recognizes that, listen, everybody's dependent on you.


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[Assistant] You know, not only are you going to get killed if someone slips up the stairs, but the guys, people are going to get shot in the back and they were depending on you to have their back. And it requires those good leaders.


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[Assistant] At every level, stepping up and going and checking on that guy. And if he is tired, he can't stay awake, rotate him out, put somebody else in there. But it requires leadership at every level. Uhm, so even with life and death on the line, people get complacent. And this really goes to what you and I talk about all the time, which is, what does it really mean to take care of your people?


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[Assistant] You know, that ear, well, I want to be liked, you know, so I don't want to be a real hard ass and I don't want to, you know, I don't want to like, um,


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[Assistant] And obviously you can go too far in that direction, right, but you become the slave driver. But, but are you really taking care of your people if you're allowing them to cut some corners?


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[Assistant] That they shouldn't be, you know, are to get complacent when they shouldn't be. And the answer is no, of course not. You're setting them up for failure. And so you as a leader have got to step up.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and make sure that your peer, you know, the peers around you, if you're not in a leadership position, um, I would certainly as a leader, make sure that your team and those around you are toeing the line and following those standard operating procedures and, and, and achieving that highest standard possible because that's what is going to allow them to stay alive on the battlefield and ultimately accomplish the mission. And certainly.


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[Assistant] Dominate and win on their battlefield anywhere. You know, in business and life.


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[Assistant] I'm not into fiction books. I don't remember the last time I read a fiction book. I'm gonna read that book because that immediately resonated with me and puts me back in those just the sights and smells and the, uh, and the stuff that we carry it and opens up some, you know, it's just, uh, I look forward to digging into it in some detail. That's a good one.


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[Assistant] What the podcast is going to be about and, and, uh, it did not, it did not, you know, once sitting here listening to you read it with the headphones on, it's like, takes me immediately back to Ramadi thinking about the stuff that we, you know, the things that we carried with us and the moon dust that we patrolled through and those smells and stenches and the heat and


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[Assistant] Frankly, I'm pretty eager to go back and get something right now. I'm ready to make it happen.


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[Assistant] I guess if you had to classify what it is, then maybe we put in that category. But to me, the muster stands by itself, you know, and I think the definitions that, you know, that we utilize a gathering together of troops to prepare for war.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, we talk to so many people all the time, right? And, and awesome leaders, you know, from companies that we work with and, uh, different organizations out there and, and it's just,


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[Assistant] Love, love working these leaders, love talking to them. I think for, but the muster was, there was just something magical about that. You know, I remember


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[Assistant] Look, for me, what was, here's, here's, here's what, uh, coming off the stage, where we're talking about, you know, we're leaving people with the idea of why.


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[Assistant] You know, they need to take advantage of every day. The gift that's been given to them by those brave warriors that gave their lives so that they have the ability to pursue that. You know, and I remember coming on stage and you just came up and gave me a big hug. You're not a hugger.


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[Assistant] I don't hug people very often. I was actually working on a takedown. Not at all. I thought maybe something like that was coming. I was getting ready. I was getting ready to sprawl. But I remember that. Just that emotion of like, this was an amazing event. It was an amazing event. I think what made it amazing was


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[Assistant] We had some really high-power, you know, senior executives from, from some great companies, uh, to, you know, mid-level managers and front-line leaders that are just aspiring to take on greater ownership, entrepreneurs, you know, the, the, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, military, law enforcement, firefighters, paramedics, I mean, across the space, some people that we couldn't even envision or imagine from, you know, from, from volunteer, you know, non-profit organizations and things like that. Uhm, and,


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[Assistant] Interacting with so many different people that are eager to learn, to implement the principles of extreme ownership into their lives. That was awesome for me. It was interesting to me, something I hadn't even thought about, is the fact that uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, after we spent, folks, so many people had come up to me and said, you know, man, it was, it was worth the price of admission alone just to meet other participants here, uh, and learn from them and, and, and learn from each other. You know, fellow troopers and.


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[Assistant] Uh, and it was, it was just, it was awesome to see that. So for me, you know, all the events, we speak at events all the time and we, and we, we speak at great events, uh, and we work with great leaders, but it was the absolute.


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[Assistant] Best event of all time, that I've ever been a part of. Best audience, you know, and I'm so fired up to go back, uh, and it's gonna be, it's gonna be that much better in New York, right? It's gonna be, there'll be a few of the same folks that are gonna come and attend that were there in San Diego, and there'll be a whole new group of people, you know, who couldn't come. It'll be even bigger.


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[Assistant] After the sessions, but morning workouts, right? Our, our, our 0445 club PTs that we're cranking out these awesome workouts and, and, uh, and we, I mean, all levels of athletes, there's some really high end, you know, athletes or black, black belt, you know, jujitsu players to, to the, uh,


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[Assistant] Just some folks who've just started training or just started hitting the gym and encouraged to do a podcast or what not.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and came out and participated in that and, and walking to, you know, jogging over to or walking back from those, those workouts.


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[Assistant] We always talk about, right, there's only two measures that matter. Effective and ineffective. And how do you measure that? It's whether the team is accomplishing the mission. You're effective. If you're not accomplishing the mission, doesn't matter how hard you're working, you're not effective. And for us,


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[Assistant] That measure of effectiveness is that people are actually going out and kicking ass in their world and they're getting promoted, they're accomplishing their mission, they're building a better team, they're building better relationships with their boss, you know, with their peers, with the subcontractor they work for, with, you know, and, uh,


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[Assistant] They're, they're being more engaged members of their community, you know, a better parent, a better coach, a better team member, uh, across all walks of life. And I think that's really our measure of effectiveness. Um, and, uh, it was, it's just awesome to see so many folks, uh, doing extraordinary things that were part of that, the muster.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so looking forward to that May 4th and 5th in New York, it's gonna be awesome. Uh, and it's gonna be exactly what you described. We're gonna, we're gonna keep that.


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[Assistant] No matter how, how long we do this or how big the musters get, I, I never wanna, never want it to be, uh, to lose that of, of me and you staying engaged, you know, with participants, not hiding behind the curtain somewhere in the green room, but being out front, talking to people, talking with leaders, uh, you know, and helping them apply this stuff to get better at what they do.


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[Assistant] One thing about the Buster in New York in particular is, uh, you know, like anything in New York City, it got a limited space. And, uh, we sold a lot of tickets to that thing already. If you want to be there for it, May 4th and 5th,


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[Assistant] Get your tickets now because I think we're going to sell this thing out. And, uh, I think that's, that's highly likely. So it may, those may not be there. I would, I would get those things purchased ASAP. Um, if you, if you want to be a part of that.


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[Assistant] I think some of that crossover too is, you know, when you realize that, you know, a police officer who's sitting next to you has some of the same challenge that you have as a small business entrepreneur who has the same problem.


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[Assistant] It's a superpower. And speaking of Jiu Jitsu, we're gonna be training some. That's right, that's right. Friday evening, we're gonna be getting on.


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[Assistant] Even the old Echo Charles though, when we were rolling back in the day with our mutual friend Cake Nuts and I, he'd go another round, particularly for us, when our skill level was far below his.


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[Assistant] I haven't tried shroom check, but I just got a new order of krill oil in, actually from on it. So just pull that, I got some strong bone as well. Strong bone is good.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and you know, for that, that's the real testament I think for, you know, uh, for me that, uh, that we wrote a book that's resonant with leaders that's helping them get better, to lead better teams, for people to, to be better teammates and employ these concepts in extreme ownership, you know, when we see the, uh, you know, the, uh, the fire service.


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[Assistant] Uh, businesses, you know, and some of them bring us in and have training. Some of them, they're holding their own training and they're buying that book and they're, uh, they're, they're learning out of it. Uh, I was working with a business just, uh,


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[Assistant] Just a couple weeks back where they, you know, each group in this leadership team was assigned to study a chapter and talk about how, what did that chapter apply to them and they're learning out of that and it's inspiring to see that stuff.


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[Assistant] Because not only is it, is it, you know, does it say, hey, we wrote a book that's having some impact, but when you see the things that they're doing, when they're implementing extreme ownership, when they're using cover move and they're not focused on themselves, but about the mission and working together as a team and using decentralized command.


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[Assistant] You know, explaining the why to their teams, uhm, and, and the results are amazing. You know, see that happen and, uh, and that's really, uh, you know, that's really what it's all about for us, I think, is, is seeing that kind of impact. So, uh, it's been awesome to see that, uhm, and, uh,


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[Assistant] Looking forward for that to continue to grow and expand its reach across.


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[Assistant] Go to ExtremeOwnership.com, sign up now. Like I said before, I think this thing is probably going to sell out. So if you want tickets, if you want to be there, if you want to be a part of this badass event that we just, we were talking about, just this amazing group of people of leaders and aspiring leaders to get in the game, sign up now. ExtremeOwnership.com.


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[Assistant] Echo was, Echo was a very laid back, you know, the, the, the good, the good island actor, when we put him up on stage for the muster, he was not happy about that.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and so you've got, uh, I forget what the title is.


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[Assistant] In the Islamic world, there's a specific title for the prayer caller that's going to get up and sing this prayer. But yea, you just hear these speakers going off all over the city.


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[Assistant] And we had to be in place. You know, you're going, you're going into enemy territory. You had to be in the building, locked down, ready to go. Cause as soon as the call of prayer goes down, you know that the city's going to start awakening. People are going to start, you know, coming out of their houses and cars starting up and people moving around and, and the sun's going to come up, you know, pretty soon. Um, and so yeah, there's, there's five of those throughout the day.


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[Assistant] And unfortunately because, uh, the mosques were protected and we had to get massive approvals all the way up to like the highest levels to be able to enter the mosques, uh, the bad guys knew that and they'd use those mosques to stage attacks out of, um, you know, and they'd stockpile weapons and ammunition and that stuff there. So, uh, the bad guys figured out it was, uh, it was not good.


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[Assistant] Uh, thinking back to the, you know, podcast 11, you know, I was the first guest, uh, and just getting this thing up and running, you know, and, and to see the reach that it's, uh, that it's had as, as the expansion and, uh, you know, where we're sitting today, you know, versus where it was then, um, you know, the third time I'm back on, it's pretty, pretty awesome, pretty awesome to see that.


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[Assistant] So many people, I've been sitting in jujitsu classes before and someone hears me talk.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, and loyal listeners to Jaco Pagas and passing it on to others.


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[Assistant] She was, uh, she was an EMT and, uh, yeah, wanted to be a Navy corpsman. So I think so many people from all walks of life influenced for good by the Jocko podcast.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, I was just thinking, uhm, we were having that conversation yesterday, you know, and, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, as a dad of young kids. You know, I've got a toddler and a baby.


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[Assistant] Which is amazing to me, because when I left San Diego here, uh, your kids, they were kids, they were little, you know, and to watch them grow up into teenagers now, and when we first met, we started working together, they were really little.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, your youngest hadn't even been born and your son was just a, I mean, just a baby. Uh, yeaah. And, and so I just re- I realize it doesn't seem like I left the Navy that long ago. You know, it'll be six years this summer. Uhm, and I realize that time has flown by like that. It has just gone by like that. And, uh,


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[Assistant] And so seeing that, you know, and seeing your kids now, I, I gotta take a step back. The detachment that we always talk about, right? To be able to see with a bigger perspective and think,


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[Assistant] These moments, right, they, they're awesome and I gotta relish every...


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[Assistant] For me, it's a great recognition of like, that those moments are fleeting and they're precious and you gotta enjoy every second of that. So for you parents out there listening to this, uhm, if you're in that boat with me, detach. Take a step back, think about how wonderful those moments are, uhm, and, uh, and just,


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[Assistant] Just relish it, relish every moment and, uh, don't let yourself get flustered. Don't let yourself, uh, get overwhelmed. Uhm, if your kid's getting up at 4.30 in the morning, maybe it's time to back it up to, uh, 0300 club.


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[Assistant] But, uh, embrace every second of that as a parent and cherish those moments because those are the most important things of all.


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[Assistant] All those, those brave souls.


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[Assistant] Those brave souls that have fallen.


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[Assistant] It makes, it makes me wanna live.


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[Assistant] To them. And when I think of them.


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[Assistant] This is Jocko Podcast number 79 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening Echo. Good evening. And it has been


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[Assistant] Sure. Questions from the interwebs. And so, here we are. Number 79. Let's answer some questions from the interwebs. What do you got?


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[Assistant] Yeah, solid question. And with something like that, what we need to do is we need to get a standard operating procedure in place with clear documentation, some kind of a qualification and approval process, and then a monitoring system in place.


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[Assistant] Right? So, this, this, the reason I can kind of...


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[Assistant] The reason that's a pretty easy transition for me to make mentally is because we would have to do this kind of thing sometimes in the SEAL teams when you get, for instance, you're overseas.


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[Assistant] On deployment in a war zone and you get some guys that show up to work Halfway through the deployment or two months into deployment or three weeks before deployment ends you get some guys that show up They're seals, right?


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[Assistant] So they, they, they understand the fundamental concepts, but you haven't worked with them specifically before. They haven't worked with the platoon before, they don't know the area of operations that you're in specifically, they don't know what kind of missions specifically you're conducting and where the intel is coming from, basically they don't know.


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[Assistant] So they gotta make sure they can do this. Humvees, right? A lot of the older guys in the SEAL teams before the war started, they wouldn't know how to operate a Humvee. So you had to make sure they knew how to do that. They had to understand the mission, why we were doing the mission, what was important about it, what was the commander's intent. They had to know the rules of engagement.


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[Assistant] Because the military will take a guy that lands in country and they'll give him like a 30 minute brief to welcome to in country and 30 seconds of it'll be a rules of engagement brief and they won't really understand it. So you gotta make sure they understand that. You gotta, when's the last time they did med training? Medical training. When's the last time they did that? Has it been like 12 years since they put on a tourniquet?


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[Assistant] Maybe you gotta go and do a couple left seat, right seat rides with them. So, does that make- do other people use that terminology? Left seat, right seat?


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[Assistant] Okay, so if I was the platoon commander and you were coming in to take over for me, we would plan a mission together and I would be in charge of the mission.


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[Assistant] So maybe if the person's a leader, you gotta do two or three or four ops or whatever to get them a good turnover. So,


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[Assistant] Now in all these situations, or if it's not a full on turnover, cause that you're gonna walk away from, but if it's just a, uh, you've got some other group, small entity or people that are coming in,


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[Assistant] You're not gonna be able to give them that full 100% decentralized command, right? You're still gonna have to keep a little bit more watch on them because


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[Assistant] You're not gonna build up the full level of trust in one to three months. That's just not possible. So, there will be a little bit of limitations, but you can definitely


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[Assistant] You can definitely move pretty far down the path and one other thing that's gonna help is a document and that's really smart to put together a document.


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[Assistant] Roles and responsibilities and expectation and then not just give them the document and say hey read this letter No, no, you sit down and go over every single thing with them


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[Assistant] And one of the ways you do that is by condensing everything into a simple, clear, concise format, written format, go through, talk it with them so they understand it and can do it very clearly. Like, when I was in Task Unit Bruiser, I didn't lay anything like that out for the platoon commanders, for Leif and the Delta platoon commander, I didn't say, here's the rosters.


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[Assistant] I did that over a long period of time, you know, over a year workup. Now that, now within a few months they kind of knew what the deal was, but if I would have


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[Assistant] If that would have been my normal job and I would have been getting a new platoon commanders every three months.


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[Assistant] Every time they came in, I'll be like, are you the new platoon commander? This is what a platoon commander does. This is the rules and responsibilities. This is the, uh, expectations that I have for you. This is when you call me. This is when you make a decision on your own. Lay all that stuff perfectly clear. And that way I could more quickly develop a sense of decentralized command. Now again,


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[Assistant] You know, I don't know, I don't know what the timeline is to, for a vascular surgeon to get total trust in their subordinate vascular surgeons or their subordinate team members.


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[Assistant] I'm sure it takes longer than one to three months. So, how much can you condense the timeline? What can you do to condense it? Once you get it condensed as much as you can, you're still gonna have to do a little bit more monitoring than you would normally do.


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[Assistant] But, it is still gonna be beneficial. It's gonna be beneficial for them, and it will be beneficial for you to operate as much as you can in the decentralized, uh, methodology.


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[Assistant] No, it's condense the timeline to build trust, actually. So I wanna, decentralized command is about trust, right? If I trust you,


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[Assistant] And you trust me, it goes up and down. If I'm in charge and I trust you, that means you're gonna go out and you know what to do. And when you're out there, you know, you trust that I am gonna cover for you and I'm gonna trust the decisions that you make. So decentralized command is about trust. In order to have trust, we have to have understanding.


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[Assistant] Big one. Big one because this is very, very problematic. And skipping the chain of command.


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[Assistant] It is a last resort. Why is it a last resort? Because when you, when you skip the chain of command, you're breaking the trust I just talked about, you're breaking it. The relationship that you've been building, you're damaging it.


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[Assistant] It's not good. Sometimes it's unsalvageable, by the way. Sometimes when you skip the chain of command, you will never be able to recover from that. Now, of course, if there's something that your immediate superior is doing that's illegal or immoral or unethical, if that's the case, then it's actually your duty.


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[Assistant] To go above them in the chain of command. Now, do you still first report it to them? And say, hey, what you did is wrong, we're not gonna do that. Yes, you should tell them first, unless it's gonna, you know, cause you to get in some horrible situation. Now, this is an interesting thing that I thought about. Let's say you and I are working together. Sure. And, and you're my boss. And, let's say you're doing something that's immoral, illegal, unethical, right? And I watch you do it.


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[Assistant] And then I watch you do it. And then I run up the chain of command and report you and bust you, right?


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[Assistant] I think when you work for someone.


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[Assistant] Or when someone works for you, you need to lay it right out of the gate. Like, hey, this is where I stand. Like, I'm not gonna cover for you if you do some stupid, illegal things.


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[Assistant] And then drop the hammer on him. Maybe I'm being overly fair, maybe we should be all out to get people that are, you know, doing something that they shouldn't be doing.


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[Assistant] I believe, that's my belief, is when I, when I meet you, and I say hey, what's going on? And you make a little crack. You know, you make a little joke.


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[Assistant] If I'm the type of person that's gonna report you for skimming money from the customers, then I should tell you like, hey man, that's not cool, no.


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[Assistant] No, those customers, you know, here's my view, is those customers that we're out there trying to do this install for, they had to work hard for that money and I don't want to be taking it from them.


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[Assistant] As opposed to me smiling and going along with your joke and then three months later I report, you know, I turn over a report to the boss man. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's an easy conversation when you say, you know, those customers never know where their money goes and it's only 12 bucks a thing and it's no big deal. The easiest thing for me to do.


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[Assistant] Is to smile and say, eh yeaah. And that's not that big of a deal, right?


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[Assistant] It gets so much harder the further we go down that road, it gets harder and harder and harder. Cause then you start saying, hey, you know, it's only, you know, we've been skimming like 12 bucks. Guess what? They never noticed this other charge either and I can get them for 62 dollars.


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[Assistant] And then all of a sudden it's a harder conversation. So have the hard conversation earlier. It'll make it easier for you.


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[Assistant] Hey Echo, you know the way we've been doing this job, you know, I think we should do it a different way, I think there's a better way to do it, I think there's a better way to treat the customer, whatever, whatever the thing is, better way to attack this target, whatever the thing is. And I'm gonna have that conversation with you, like two, three, four, five times, to try and...


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[Assistant] Get you to listen to me. Now, if the conversation doesn't work...


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[Assistant] I'm gonna escalate it even further. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna actually do a little write up. I'm gonna write a point paper. I'm gonna say echo. I was listening and thinking about what we're doing. How we're hitting this target or how we're loading out our guys or whatever.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna write you a point paper and I'm gonna lay it out for you to lay out what my plan is, what the cost benefits are, and make that very clear to you.


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[Assistant] I'm giving you every ample opportunity to listen to what I'm saying, right?


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[Assistant] And I'm probably even gonna say, hey, maybe we should run this by, you know, the boss.


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[Assistant] Cause if you just keep disagreeing with me and I say, you know, can I, you mind if I bring this to the boss and see what he thinks?


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[Assistant] And also, this is a hard conversation to have. It's a hard conversation to say, someone, man, can we just bring this to Bossert? And again, I'm not saying,


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[Assistant] You say hey, I'm gonna bring this to the boss. You say hey, would you mind if I got his opinion? Would you mind if I'd see what she said about this? And that way, we're


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[Assistant] There's that. The other thing that you can, so that's, that's sort of a direct approach with your immediate boss, which starts, by the way, with an indirect approach of being like, hey, Echo.


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[Assistant] You know, I was thinking about the way we're hitting these targets. Wouldn't it be smart maybe if we hit them from over here? Do you think that would work? And now we're just opening up the conversation. So we've done that. I can also go indirect with your boss. Right? So, so your direct boss who's now two up above me in the chain. I can go indirect with him at the water fountain. Right?


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[Assistant] Hey, oh yeaah, thanks. I see everything's going great. Yeaah, doing a great job. Yeaah, working. Yeaah, I'm on Echo's team. Yeaah, yeaah, no it's really good. It's good, it's a tough mission. But you know, we're, we're always exploring new ways to do it. You know, we're looking at some other options. I was thinking of another way to hit those targets too. Kinda like, coming in from this direction.


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[Assistant] That's all I did was just drop a little, plant a little seed, you know, have that conversation come up and I'm just gonna, that's what I'm gonna do. Plant the little seeds and try and get them to maybe say, oh that sounds like a really good idea.


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[Assistant] What did Echo think of that? I, I, you know, actually I haven't talked to Echo about it in full detail, but uh, I will.


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[Assistant] He was mentioning, you know, I mentioned this other way of doing it and he thought it might be a good idea and I just want to give you a heads up in case he says anything. Uh, I didn't really have a chance, you know, whatever. So we're just, we're playing the game a little bit. That's good, right? We're maneuvering.


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[Assistant] It is, however it also gets, uh, it's also a way of saying, hey, I ratted you out.


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[Assistant] The boss, you know, asked me about this, and I didn't know how to respond, so I said this, and he might come and talk to you, so I just wanted to give you a heads up. That's different to the, hey, just to give you a heads up, I talked to the boss earlier today, I told him what your deal is. Something like that, that's not good for you. So...


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's all kinds of shades of grey there as well, and you know I worked for For a while I was the Admiral's aide and so I and I worked for a really great guy great Admiral


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[Assistant] Who I had a really good relationship with, you know, and if I needed something,


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[Assistant] He was gonna give it to me, and so when I was a task unit commander, which is what job I went to immediately when I got done working for the admiral, I literally had a direct line to the admiral.


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[Assistant] I had his office number, and if I wanted to call him, he wanted to talk to me because we were friends.


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[Assistant] But that doesn't mean that I went to him and you know did all kinds of you know, I didn't do that No, I never took advantage of that yet at all and was always professional But there is this little story Where


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[Assistant] As odd as this might sound, we were getting ready to go on deployment, and we needed a, what's called a large format color printer.


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[Assistant] And it prints out big pieces of paper. Large format. And you need it because you need to make battle maps. And you need a good one because when you go out on an operation every single guy on the platoon has a map.


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[Assistant] So, you could have, you might need 8, 10, 12, 15, 30, you might need 30 color laminated maps to go out on a mission. And for whatever reason, I think we had one, it was kinda crappy, and the boss, the admiral,


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[Assistant] You know, I talked to him before I was going on deployment. I don't know if he called me or I ran into him or whatever. And he's the admiral in charge of everything. And he's just, you know, getting a feel for what's going on. And he says, uhm, you know, hey, do you have everything you need for deployment? Because he knew I was leaving in a couple days. Or a couple weeks.


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[Assistant] And I said yeaah, you know sir, we're good to go. You know, right now, believe it or not, I'm just waiting on a printer, gotta get one of those large format printers for battle maps, but other than that, we're rocking and rolling.


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[Assistant] Even if you get redirected by our boss, you are pissed. Yea. And you're gonna, you're gonna sabotage.


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[Assistant] It's a tough one. You gotta use caution with that one. And also, I'll tell you what else it is. It's...


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[Assistant] You shouldn't need to do it. I can't. Like that printer story I just told.


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[Assistant] That's what we need. Which can tell you how dialed in we were and how much great gear we had because the only thing that was left that we needed was a printer. You know, that's where I was at. I got all the everything we needed, but I needed a printer.


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[Assistant] But you got to, you know, other than that, it's really hard for me to think of other times in my naval career where I went above someone in the chain of command. It just didn't happen. You know, I'm gonna take the time to build a relationship with my immediate boss and they're gonna do what I want them to do. They're gonna give me what I want them to give me.


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[Assistant] That's leading up the chain of command. Skipping the chain of command isn't really leadership.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, it's the same, same, uh, similar thing.


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[Assistant] Again, I'm gonna, I'm gonna walk a fine line here, but you might...


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[Assistant] You might not recognize, you might not recognize that what you're doing is unethical. You might be like, hey, Jaco, you know what I do is I just, I always hit everyone with this little extra $12 charge, you know, no big deal, no one ever notices it, and uh, you know, we're working hard. And you might just, hey man, it gives you,


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[Assistant] And it's not that big of a deal to you and maybe somebody that you started working for did the same thing and that's kind of just the standard operating procedure.


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[Assistant] Whereas if I was like, man, you know what? That's not good. You know? That's actually...


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[Assistant] It might not seem like a big deal, but you're taking money. You're, you know, you know that puts money on your table, gives, feeds your kids, it's taking money off their table.


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[Assistant] I don't feel like we should be doing, you know what I mean? I might awaken you and get your ethics back on track and you might be a good dude. Just because someone was skimming some money doesn't mean they're a horrible person. Right? It means that they...


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[Assistant] Went down the wrong path. Just because someone goes down the wrong path doesn't mean they can come back, doesn't mean they cannot come back to the right path. Man, if I was, if I was...


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[Assistant] You know, executed every time I did something that was stupid or bad or, you know, I shouldn't have done. I would have died a thousand deaths by now, right?


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[Assistant] We grow up and we learn these things, we become better people, but we only become better people and we only learn these things if somebody teaches them to us. Now we can learn the hard way.


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[Assistant] But that's not the lesson we want to learn. So, having those tough conversations, like you're talking about, having them upfront, and whether it's, you're right, whether it's counseling somebody, whether it's dealing with, you know, my boss, who I want to tell, like, hey, I think there's a better way to do this.


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[Assistant] Bro, I gotta, I gotta tell a story. We were, I was going through officer candidate school.


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[Assistant] So you live by the code of this book, and it's very specific rules.


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[Assistant] From another country. He'd been raised in another country and became an American citizen.


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[Assistant] But he was from another country and grew up in a really poor, you know, a really poor kid. So good for him. I mean, he had achieved an incredible amount. Finishing college, going to Hofstra Canada School was awesome.


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[Assistant] But he had some habits from growing up in the third world that were a little bit different for, you know, for...


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[Assistant] Americans. And one of the things that he would do is he would urinate in the shower. And, and not just while he was taking a shower, but when you come back from a class or something, you know, everyone has to go to the bathroom at the same time. And so,


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[Assistant] Uh, and I'm calling kids, these guys were all, you know, actually we had a, some of them were new kids, fresh out of college. The kid, the, the kid that was urinating in the shower was fresh out of college. And one of the older guys who was like me was a prior enlisted guy. He came to me and he said, hey man,


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[Assistant] This kid's urinating in the shower. Like, all the time.


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[Assistant] And I said, I said, okay, well, you know, run the water. He's like, Bran, I gotta get, he's like, I've, he's like, you know, my squad's in charge of cleaning the showers, and so these are my guys on their, on the ground cleaning up his piss. It ain't cool. And I was like, alright, cool, I'll talk to him.


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[Assistant] So I went and I said, hey man, I said, hey, you know, officer candidate, whatever, can I, can I talk to you for a second? He goes, yeah. And he comes in my room and I said, hey man, you, um,


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[Assistant] You know, you're pissing in the shower, just wait for a toilet. And he looked at me like I was telling him that he shouldn't breathe air, right? He was like, well why?


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[Assistant] And I said, I said, well, no, because, you know, you're, you're, you're pissing where everyone walks around and, and he goes, yeah, but the water, the drain, it's just all pipes. And he goes, and I said, no, it's, it's not, just, just don't do it. He goes, it's not in the rule book.


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[Assistant] It's a little different. And people that are cleaning the showers don't want to be down on their hands and knees in your piss. Yeah. So, and he said, okay. He listened to me.


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[Assistant] That was not acceptable from a hygienic point, hygienic, is that right? Hygienic, from a hygienic point, from a, you know, a moral


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[Assistant] Or a morale point of the team that's in there cleaning up. So, that was good times.


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[Assistant] In one of the SEAL officers, there was a sink in the room, but no bathroom. So you just had a sink, you'd brush your teeth, shave, whatever, but if you wanted to go to the bathroom, you'd go down the hallway where the showers and the pissers were. And so, one night, I'm


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[Assistant] You know, I'm like, get stirred awake by some noise, and I see one of my fellow officers is pissing in the sink. Right? In the sink. And, you know, I, I was like, hey man, what are you doing?


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[Assistant] Well, it's not just psychological, but that doesn't even make it worth it. Now, you might as well walk down there.


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[Assistant] Maybe Thailand. Yeaah. Some Asian, Asian country, Southeast Asian country. Yeaah. Hard worker. And smart.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, it's hard to repair. Hard to repair.


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[Assistant] Longevity, this is talking about staying alive for as long as possible. And of course, I mean, I want to live. Oh, like how do you?


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[Assistant] How do I personally that's the way it was court the question is actually directed at me Jocko willing question for the podcast How do you rank your longevity and your priorities? Longevity being how long you're gonna live for and for me


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[Assistant] I mean obviously longevity has some level of importance. I do want to live for a little while longer.


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[Assistant] And I think that generally my lifestyle and my focus on health and fitness in a broad way align with living for a little longer. So, you know, working out and all that stuff is good, but


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[Assistant] There's also an extreme, and I don't know if you know this, I don't know how much you know about this or if you've ever read about it, but there's an extreme side of longevity.


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[Assistant] If your goal in life was to live as long as possible, there's an extreme version of that. Do you know about this?


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[Assistant] You, you do, uh, calorie restriction. Massive calorie restriction. Yeah. You're talking like massive calorie restriction. And that's one of them. You, and believe it or not, you do extremely low levels of physical activity.


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[Assistant] Right? You, you basically, if your goal was to live as long as possible, you would want to live basically in a bubble.


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[Assistant] Of longevity, pure longevity, you are not prepared for anything in the actual world, right? Yeaah. Because your heart,


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[Assistant] Can only beat so many times, and if the less you use it, the longer it's gonna be lasting.


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[Assistant] But, and I'm sure I have that not quite right, but the problem is if you're not in good shape,


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[Assistant] I'm not going there, it's not worth it for me to, for me to live my whole life as a sedentary person, half starved and completely unprepared for anything to happen to me outside of my bubble is not happening, I'm not gonna live that way.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so where does it rank in my priorities? I think it's, it sure, it's an important thing, but I think my general lifestyle aligns with it enough that I don't think about it as much. And I think overall, living life is more important to me than just living.


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[Assistant] And then I would pass his guard, and then I would choke him. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And I'd take his sickle, and I'd free the world.


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[Assistant] I think the minute you start restraining yourself from doing things that you want to do, you would need to take serious considerations in what you're doing. I also think that hypothetical questions like that are completely ridiculous.


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[Assistant] So, my, that's why, and I, then in that case, I, I will stay with my first answer. Yeah, I agree. If the Grim Reaper came to me, and made me an offer, I would double leg him, I would take him down, and I would choke him out. There you go. I might kill him. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Take vitamin D pills. Yeaah. The, uh, the other thing is with calorie restriction is, I think, and, you know, I'm reading about this stuff all the time and, but, you can get a lot of those benefits by doing some intermittent fasting for sure. Yeaah. And you will feel good on the intermittent fasting.


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[Assistant] 24, 48, 72 hours, that's the most I've done. So you know, and uh, maybe I'll do some more in the future. Tim Ferriss did like 7 days? Dang.


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[Assistant] Questions on Twitter. Because it's true. Don't ask me. Google it.


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[Assistant] And look at these really good research paper. There's all kinds of stuff coming out about it right now. Now what's weird about the internet?


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[Assistant] And science in general is in, you know, there's a one article that says it's great, you can find two more articles that say it's horrible, you can find three more articles, so you can always counter everything.


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[Assistant] So yea, absolutely, sometimes you have to sacrifice workouts for health.


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[Assistant] And health. For work objectives. There's no doubt. That's life.


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[Assistant] And work, in many respects, is life. And that's kind of another topic.


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[Assistant] But try and love what you're doing. Try and enjoy your job if you don't, because if you enjoy your job, then,


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[Assistant] Work is life is an okay thing. If you hate your job, then work is life is not a, is not a good situation to be in. So try and get into things and do something that you enjoy doing. And if you don't enjoy it, you don't find some kind of an exit strategy, but that's another topic. Going back to this topic, is it okay


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[Assistant] Or is it wrong to sacrifice your health in the short term to accomplish long-term work objectives? And yeaah, even in the SEAL teams, we did that all kinds of times. A lot. Whether it was in training or for a mission where our priority or our mission or our training takes priority over


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[Assistant] Workouts and over eating healthy and over everything so there's times where that you're just 100% focused on some kind of mission and that's what you're gonna that's what you're gonna do and


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[Assistant] That's okay. That's what we did in the SEAL teams and that's what everyone does. And it's, and when you get done with that, how do you make up for lost time? You do some hard workouts and maybe you go eat super clean or you fast for a little while or whatever it is that gets you back on track. You just get yourself back on track. What you have to watch out for is a pattern. A long term pattern.


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[Assistant] If it's, if you're talking about months, we're in a bad situation. Like if you go week, two weeks where you just were crazy and work was crazy and you, you know, you know, your health took a little to went down a couple of notches on the priority and a couple of weeks goes by and you got food. I'm glad I've got through that.


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[Assistant] The, the hard season's over or the whatever, the, you know, like, you know, people in the finance world and tax season, they're just busting their ass for two, three, four straight weeks. It's really hard.


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[Assistant] It's understandable and you know, uh, retail people around Christmas time there were, you know, everyone's got their little cyclical things, real estate people in the springtime and the summer starts rolling around their work. It's, it's, there's cyclical things and that's cool. You work hard for two, three weeks where you just have to get after it.


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[Assistant] But when that starts turning into months and in multiple weeks and then months and then secular months of your health is taking the backseat, we have an issue now.


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[Assistant] That consume 23 and a half hours a day of your time. There are just not that many jobs that do that. Now, what, and what you might be facing here is you might be blaming your job for you being lazy.


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[Assistant] If you get 20 minutes, you get in there and shake it out a little bit, and you do, you know, a couple hundred burpees,


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[Assistant] Go as hard as you can, you just gotta workout. That took you 10, 15, 20 minutes, right?


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, longer than that for me, but yeaah. You see what I'm saying though? I do, yes, fully. You do, and then, if you can do that, if you sprint, if you do ten sprints, right? Doesn't take you much time. You do go, go knock out three, four, five sets of pull-ups. Go knock out a couple hundred pull-ups. How long does that take? It doesn't take that long. Right? Take you fifteen minutes. You're done. So,


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[Assistant] Then maybe at night you just roll up there, you grab your kettlebell and you knock out some swings. It takes you seven minutes. We're not talking about a bunch of times. So are we being lazy because we're not carving out?


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[Assistant] 15, 20 minutes, half an hour. You know, a lot of people ask me about what workouts I do when I'm on the road. A lot of times when I'm on the road.


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[Assistant] I fly into a city, I get there 11 o'clock at night, the next time, next day I'm working with a company at 8 o'clock in the morning. And so, my schedule's tight. Why am I in the hotel room? The hotel room gym sucks for one thing.


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[Assistant] And, I'm gonna bang something out quickly.


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[Assistant] You know, it's not gonna be an hour workout. No, it's gonna be like 20 minutes sometimes. Now sometimes if I have a little extra time, maybe I'm not meeting with the company until lunch. Cool, I'm gonna have a nice long workout, of course.


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[Assistant] But if it's, I'm due to meet with the CEO for breakfast at 7 o'clock, it's gonna be a quick, hardcore, 12 minute workout.


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[Assistant] That's doing this to you, and not you that's doing this to you. Yeah. So, if it is your job, truly,


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[Assistant] Truly your job is the thing that's making you unhealthy, then you gotta fix it. Now what you have going for you is that companies want you to be healthy.


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[Assistant] Understand the benefit of having healthy employees, not just from a productivity standpoint, but from like an insurance viewpoint.


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[Assistant] We, if, if we gotta, you know, we've got health coverage for our employees and all of our employees are, are sick and, and lame and lazy and we're having to pay their medical bills and they can't work. It's problematic. So what you do is you step up and you say, hey, you know what? We don't have a health and wellness program. I want to run it. We need a little gym.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's gonna cost money? Yes, it's gonna cost money, but I'm gonna save you money in productivity. I'm gonna save you money in insurance. I'm gonna write a point paper on that. I'm gonna win that one all day long. We're gonna, we're gonna put a gym in the lounge.


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[Assistant] I think I saw a picture of they have a jujitsu room.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So, so, so, go. You know, step up. Your company, I can guarantee your company wants you to be healthy.


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[Assistant] So, step up, maybe take a leadership role in forming the health and wellness program for your company. Get it.


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[Assistant] That does help for sure. Now, the thing is if none of that works, if your company's just dragging you down and you've checked and double checked and triple checked your own discipline or lack of discipline,


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[Assistant] And you realize that it's the work that is bringing down your health. In that case, you gotta follow the procedure. You gotta find an exit strategy. Create an exit strategy. Save up your money.


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[Assistant] Line things up. Get the ducks in row in the next queue. Cause your health is gonna be more important than everything else. Yeah. Than everything else. All that money you could possibly make.


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[Assistant] If you, if you're not there, and you're not where you wanna be, and you're starting to decline in health, you're gonna get some stuff that you won't be able to recover from. So...


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[Assistant] Make your, make your decision, then you come up with an exit strategy and move on. Do something else.


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[Assistant] And really out of shape versus a guy that's an idiot who's in great shape. The brilliant person's probably gonna make more money and do better in the long run. I mean, we're talking, you have to put them on a level in the intellectual playing field.


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[Assistant] At a minimum, I'll do a couple hundred burpees before I wake up because that just gets the blood flow when you're ready to rock and roll.


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[Assistant] I vote against you on that one. I say, make time be healthy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like one time, I don't know, two or three months ago, uh, we were...


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[Assistant] I don't even turn on the TV because I don't have TV at home. And so, I don't know, a year or two ago I went to some hotel and I turned on the TV. And next thing I know...


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[Assistant] I bring a chalk bag, I bring my little notebook. Dang, that's good.


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[Assistant] A mobility? Wad? Ball to do some mobility work?


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[Assistant] And I bring some one inch tubular nylon that I used to stretch. That's what I bring. And occasionally, like when we went to the muster, I brought rings with me.


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[Assistant] Cause I normally travel really light, but I had an extra bag, so then no. Rings.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was in Austria and then came back to New York and then from New York to Texas, so it was a road trip.


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[Assistant] There's no spare time, there's no free time, there's just lifetime. Just time, yeaah. So you better just get on with it.


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[Assistant] Okay, first of all, flank yourself, because that appearing weak thing, that's pretty much in your head. Really, it is. It's legitimately in your head, and that's the first thing you need to do, that's your ego talking when you don't wanna, when you don't want to...


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[Assistant] When they hit you with something that they're angry at, the thing that's hitting back is ego. That's what's hitting back. So, first thing you gotta do is, okay, I'm gonna check my ego right now, cause I'm gonna win the long war. In fact, you have to be careful.


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[Assistant] When you stay calm, when everyone else is angry, you have to actually be careful not to come across as aloof or, you know, arrogant. Yeah, yeah. Like when people are getting mad,


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[Assistant] Ay, I get it, right? But then what you wanna do is absorb.


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[Assistant] Oh, they want to get mad? Cool. Absorb, take the screaming, give the head nod of understanding in a...


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[Assistant] And let them get it out of their system. Just let them get it out of their system. Then let them calm down. And then after you've given them the time to kind of calm down and settle down.


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[Assistant] And I mean, it's longer than you think. It's longer than you think. Let them, when you think they're calm,


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[Assistant] Wait an extra 45 minutes if not two hours probably two hours because they're not calm to be safe. They just stop screaming, right? So


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[Assistant] And then what you do is, and then what you do is you kind of take it on yourself, you're gonna own it, right?


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[Assistant] And you say something like, hey, you know, that thing that made you mad, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. I, you know, what can I do better to make sure that you don't get mad about that? Right? You take, you take ownership of that. What do I need to adjust?


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[Assistant] And what exactly is it that, that I did that frustrated? What is it that frustrated you? What can I do to stop it? Maybe it wasn't me. Maybe you're mad at the printer, but you know, how can we fix that? Cause I don't want you to do it. And then, you know, so you have that kind of conversation and


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[Assistant] You know, you're gonna slide something tactfully, and they're tactfully, cause again, you're still dealing with like, you know,


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[Assistant] No one makes good decisions when they have, when they lose their temper. I mean, some of the dumbest things I've ever done was when I was, you know, everyone knows that, but you know, you see, you start sliding those things in there that it's bad for your decision making. It's bad for relationships. It's bad for your health. It's bad for life.


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[Assistant] And again, you're not directly saying these things. You're subliminally saying, you know, it's, man, I remember one time I lost some of the dumbest things I ever did when I lost my temper and I kicked the wall and I broke my toe and I put a hole in the wall and the landlord came. That's when I, I hate when I lose my temper.


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[Assistant] You get them thinking about it over time, and this is the thing, it's a long war. And there's gonna be relapses along the way.


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[Assistant] But you gotta just hold the line, keep it steady, absorb, and then...


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[Assistant] Flank. Gently. To get them to start self-recognizing where they're at and what their temper does to them. Mm. Temper's crazy. Yeaah. When you see people lose their temper, it's, it's a total loss of control.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's a total loss control, and it's just doesn't do anybody any good. And when you see someone that really loses their temper, you're like, pfft, what is wrong?


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[Assistant] And when I was a kid I used to lose my temper. And at some point I just realized, I forget what it was, I forget what made me think, there was something my dad said to me. There's something about,


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[Assistant] You know, something along those lines of like, ehm, you lose your temper, it's like a little baby. Oh, loss of control.


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[Assistant] Yeah, something my dad said to me, something along the lines of like, you know.


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[Assistant] I think he was referring to an athlete or something, someone that just had no emotions and how that was impressive. Yea. I was like, hm.


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[Assistant] That is impressive. It's massive control over oneself. Yeah, just nothing is gonna make me mad. Yeah. Doesn't matter what's going on around me.


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[Assistant] That's the message to convey to your kids. Is that losing your temper is stupid.