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[Assistant] If you're older, it seems like it was a story. I mean, this was the 80s. I don't remember, but like they, if you're, uh, you know, if you're older, uh.


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[Assistant] Donahue, which was crushing it, dude. They have.


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[Assistant] That, dude, there's a thousand or fifteen hundred people in that Donahue when they interview them. Like Donahue was the biggest show on earth.


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[Assistant] I would say my parents would remember it. Really? Yea.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm not saying if they remembered the story, but they definitely would. I mean, everybody remembered those stories. These guys seem, I bet my parents would remember it. I mean, I was born in 79, so my parents were 22 or 23 when they had me. So they would have, and it was just a mega mega story, and this is obviously when,


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[Assistant] You know, no internet. This is when stories were like, if you were on every, like they said, like they said in the thing, they went viral to go viral in that timeframe where people, nothing was going viral, but you're just like every channel.


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[Assistant] Every station, every newspaper, back when people read newspapers. And then one guy said, this is how much newspapers made then. He said, I want to go get a plane and fly.


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[Assistant] To go, like, just check on this story. Like, that's crazy. Like, you know, and now these papers have nothing. They could maybe get a rental car. And they'd be like, I don't know, you pay for the gas, but we're economy. And then make sure you fill the gas. They'd be furious if you filled it up.


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[Assistant] I think it was a good enough answer even for the parents to be like, okay, I understand that. Like where the parents left, like it's not the answer they wanted, but for them to say like, yeah, if you have triplets, then it's not going to like, it's a, not every family can take that. Like they want one.


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[Assistant] And then they're like, well, we have three. And I mean, maybe you should be trying to find a home that would.


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[Assistant] And had taken in adopted, uh, kids. Like had three, uh, all of them had an adopted like girl in their, in their, each family. All those boys had older sisters and all of them were adopted.


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[Assistant] So it was, I mean, it was a complete study that they were like trying to do and like, you know, it's, uh, you know, the older lady in it that has all the pictures wearing the yellow, like very kind of, I think, is she evil? Like the lady that did part of the research? Yeah.


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[Assistant] She seemed like it, but it's like their interview and she just does not care. And like very nonchalant and like seems like they have had an amazing career. And she just talked about it like, oh, I don't care.


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[Assistant] You know, she's like, should they know? Should they not know? Like, supposedly these records, you're not allowed to open them for 100 years, basically. 105 years, I think was the, and they basically wanted to make sure all these, whoever's in this, 2066.


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[Assistant] So who, which I, how old, uh, what is it, 2020? That's 46 more years. Oh, I'll be super old. I'll be 86 or 87. Uh, me and you will just be the only ones left on this podcast. You know who, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, they, they talked to that lady and she was like, you know, is it better for them to know that they have a twin? Cause it seems that they, you know, like,


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[Assistant] I mean, the kids knew. They can tell. It's very unbelievable that identical twins.


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[Assistant] Our triplets, like they just have a, they, something's drawing them. I mean, it's pretty crazy. Like the idea of all of this for these, like how they're drawing to, you know, like they can tip, they all do, they, they all are like banging their heads against the wall when they're kids and like all this kind of crazy stuff. Cause they were just getting, cause they got pulled apart.


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[Assistant] But when they talk to that old lady, I mean, she just blows it off. And like, just as like, what a, like, it's like, we did it for this study. That's what the one guy that kind of figured all this out.


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[Assistant] Well he's like, why, well if it's so important of a study, then release the stuff. Like, what did you learn from it? If it was this, you know, the cat's out of the bag. We all know that this was a study.


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[Assistant] But, I mean, they said there's probably four to six still twins.


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[Assistant] That don't know. That are probably still out there. That don't know that they have a twin. The same idea.


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[Assistant] It makes you think of that. Like where you're, you know, you're like, you know, you always hear the stories of someone being adopted. Like they're like, and I had no idea I was adopted. And then you're always like, was I adopted? Like you think your parents are just going to come around the corner and be like, here's your other brother, wharf. There's a real wharf out there.


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[Assistant] Maybe that script is right. I don't have a whole nother family. Yeaah. That would be crazy. I wonder if there's, what's surprise families? Does anybody know anybody that's had a surprise? Uhhh.


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[Assistant] I mean, I guess they could have another family. And that would be gut-riching to find out. And that's gotta be-


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[Assistant] I could see cause these babies are, see that's where people can do stuff like that where, uh, these scientists do this, like they're looking at humans, they don't look at them as like real, they look at them as like almost animals, like the way they would


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[Assistant] Do the study on like monkeys or something. And that's how I think those scientists look at people. Like they look at them as like, that's not a real per- they have no, they don't care. But doctors have to have some side of that. They can't have emotion tied into being a doctor.


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[Assistant] Even the people with babies, like where they see babies all born. I'm just, they love these, I'm sure a lot of them love these babies, but there has to be some disconnect.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think they were ever even attempting that. I think he would take that angle now. Yeah. Cause he got, cause he gets called out, but I don't think he would.


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[Assistant] I don't think it would have, like, they, they were doing the study and like, it was like, oh yeah, we're just going to get, these kids are going to go three different places. I mean, it's, you know, they gave them to three different homes. Like, yeah, very easily someone could be like, I'm not going to take these kids. But it seems like that place.


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[Assistant] Didn't have a problem with getting kids adopted. Like that, it seems like it was a higher, like, you know, it was a, it was higher, like a higher level of a place. It's not like it was just regular foster homes or that kind of stuff, which my sister does very wonderfully.


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[Assistant] She'll take, she'll take in kids. Oh, really? Yep. That's awesome. And they, uh, so they, I mean, they get calls, you get called 10 PM at night and be like, we got these kids and you go. And then, uh, they had some just for the weekend and then the kids will go to like a.


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[Assistant] A more concrete home, uh, after that. Yeaah, it's very nice that she does that. Like, cause that's all, it's a lot. I mean, you see, you know, we, we've met some of the kids and they come in and it's just sad. I mean, they just have no consistency in their life.


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[Assistant] You know, like they're, they're just, I mean, they're raising each other. It's unbelievable. Like, I mean, like some are eight year old. I mean, like my daughter's eight and I can't imagine there's, there's kids that grow up where.


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[Assistant] At eight, they're the most adult in the house. Which is nuts. It's unbelievable.


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[Assistant] It's, it is true, that is funny though, it is like, truthfully you get it. But that thing is like, go get the, at least don't make what they did pointless. Didn't show the results.


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[Assistant] Show like, you know, it's like, make it like a study. We did the study. Here's the guys that did it. Here's all the kids that were forced into this that have no choice. So here's the result. That's the problem too that I think almost that's what it even ends up being. We already have a problem.


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[Assistant] You know, like that lady said, and I get it, in the 60s, 61, there's no concept of like, we're doing this to kids. No, I mean, that's another world.


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[Assistant] But it's at least show the result. Like that's why are they being like, it's like, that's the stuff that gets weird.


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[Assistant] To be like, they're like, oh, they re, they showed it, but it's heavily redacted, no one, so it's like hard to piece together, like all this stuff. That's the stuff that becomes the problem where you go like, then just make it like, just show it, dude. What can possibly be on there that's worse than what we know?


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[Assistant] They look just like them though. It's crazy. Those guys, uh,


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[Assistant] Didn't age super well, I'll tell you that. I mean, they were, they were young, strapping, good looking boys. And that, I mean, when you see them, I know cause when you first get them interviewed, you're like, and they're like, they could, there was like, Eddie was getting kissed by everybody. You're like, and you're looking at them going, what? You're like.


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[Assistant] I mean, just women are just kissing him, like as he make, and then, and then you see the pictures, you're like, oh yeah, these dudes are unbelievable. Like they're just big guys, great hair, like big, big smile. All of them had gigantic smiles. Uh, and then you're like, well, that makes sense. But when they're interviewing them there, you're like, what?


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[Assistant] Did you, uh, did you realize that they weren't interviewing the other brother?


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, we've, it's already, I mean, I think we're, say, obviously, if you listen to this, uh, spoiler, I mean, afterwards, uh, I mean, yeah, I, I think he, it's, it's been out for a few years now.


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[Assistant] Well that's what, so yeaah, he committed suicide and then...


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[Assistant] I remember right before they, they do a really good job of like, I mean, telling the story of this, but before they reveal that he did commit suicide, you start right before you get to that point, you're like, have I seen the other brother? Like, you just can't really remember if you've seen him. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I saw him at Christmas. My bad. You know what? They were in that perfect string.


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[Assistant] Ow. Get two kids at one. Doctor Mom had eight.


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[Assistant] Octomom, you remember her? Yeah, she got famous. She got famous like those, those three identical strangers got famous.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah. Yeaah. Octomom is a, I mean, they were following, the tabloids were following around. Like, I mean, it's like, what is she up to? And I think that's what's so hard for all of them is they go from being a regular, like regular person.


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[Assistant] To the most famous can't go anywhere. So I mean, you're watching-


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[Assistant] You know, it's like, it's like, so we talk about like celebrity a lot, like with, uh, when you're seeing like Brad Pitt or whoever we're Tom Cruise, they're, they know how to be a celebrity. Like they know like the world. And so when you just, when someone gets that's written, I mean, completely normal, like.


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[Assistant] Nothing at all and then just thrown in to the next day they can't go outside and they're the most famous. I mean that's, I mean that's gigantic.


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[Assistant] Is they don't get that like experience together. Like they don't get like, experiences, everything man. I'm a big fan of experience. Like it's, experience is something that gets overlooked and, uh,


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[Assistant] But they experienced completely, you know, completely matters. And so they didn't get that, but when they get in like, so they didn't get to be the experience of learning to be famous and then they're just super famous, which is then why everything kind of crumbles that they can't because you can't keep up with it. There's no reasoning. There's no, you know,


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[Assistant] You're like, everything's just such a shock that, you know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] But they were, I mean, and that one, I mean, Bobby and David were two different sizes. As adults? Yea, as adults. Bobby seemed like he was like slim and then David seemed like he was still stout and big.


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[Assistant] I mean, all of them, when all three of those brothers got together, they were the same size. They looked exactly the same. Same size, same build, you know.


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[Assistant] 30 pounds on top of you. This motorcycle, I'd love to interview that motorcycle.


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[Assistant] Uh, following accident en route to Ripley's Believe It or Not.


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[Assistant] He lived 21 more years, 54, died in 2001 of just heart failure. Wow. 54 is unreal to live, uh, to be that big, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, are they from Tennessee? No, Hendersonville, North Carolina. Oh. The grave is marked by a 13 foot wide granite headstone, which is believed to be the largest in the world.


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[Assistant] I think you stumble into that record. And I think when you're that big, I think someone, and I think it takes a person a long time before they say it, but then someone does eventually just go like,


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[Assistant] Hey, like, I'm not trying to be rude, but like, you guys, honestly, I have a chance to be the heaviest people in the world. And someone has it and they're like, what? I mean, especially back then when they did it, someone had to have been like, they bring over the Guinness Book of World Records. You probably gotta have one friend.


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[Assistant] That's like willing to be like, I'll tell them. Like you probably have, your outside friends are going like,


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[Assistant] Like a cause there's a, they crossed into a point when you get to like 400, 500. I mean, now you're.


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[Assistant] Friends, no one's like even saying like, you should lose weight. Like, I mean, there's, you know, I mean, what are you going to say? Like, what are you doing, man? Get out, get out much. Like these guys, I mean, honestly, we're pretty active for that much. They rode minus motorcycles. They wrestled, like they were out and about.


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[Assistant] I think you would have just thought, like, that you, you were, you, you are the fattest twin. Like, I, I, I, uh,


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[Assistant] Elvis Head of Twins is the craziest thing, is the craziest on the list. Well he died at, uh, he was stillborn, so.


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[Assistant] What if he had made it over Elvis? Maybe, I mean maybe he would have.


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[Assistant] That, that's what the whole point of the study is. You know what they should do? They should do a study like that. They should just kill the other twin. That's what we're gonna find out. That is what's crazy though is...


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[Assistant] You know, cause if you would have heard that three identical strangers, if someone told you that you found out to that and someone was like, Hey, they're still in like twins. That would be something that you would be like, well, that's a conspiracy theory and you're being ridiculous. Like, you know, that's that crazy of a thing that you would like go like, well that, cause it does sound like a conspiracy theory. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, they're all. Parker and Christopher Posey. I know Tiki and Ronday. Ronday, Barbara were twins. They, uh. It's always interesting.


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[Assistant] I mean, what was the, that was, yeah, you know, you met them. Well, yeah. And then when you then realized Tiki was a lot, they did actually have okay careers. Ronday was a good player. Tiki was much more. No, Tiki had some.


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[Assistant] Tiki retired early than Ronde, like stayed longer and played for Tampa and like was a solid, solid player. Like, you know, it wasn't like just a hanger on or the NFL like started for Tampa and did great. I think did better after Tiki left. Tiki was just more known with being the Giants, but they both had solid careers.


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[Assistant] I want to do that on a whole, we'll do that on another episode because that's probably pretty fun. Alright. And then we can figure out a rapid, talk about a little teaser, but is there a parallel universe with another you out there?


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[Assistant] Like do you have a, or is it us? Is this podcast being done in apparel in another universe?


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[Assistant] Uh, that version of it. But that seems like that's a, that goes, that could be its own kind of, into the space and universe and pretty fun.


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[Assistant] Alright, pretty much said we'll tackle that next week on Nate Land. Uh, make sure you subscribe. Uh, we've had great comments, great ratings on it. I mean, everybody's been super nice and we truly appreciate it. We do notice that and that means a lot, uh, to us.


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[Assistant] Uh, so thanks for doing that, thanks for listening, uh, and we'll see you next week. Alright.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just wanted to do that quick little thing. But I don't know, because I feel like Montel Jordan might be, uh, my friend now. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Cause I got a cameo from him for John, and he told John to have a powerful new year. A powerful new year, that's what it was. It was one of the, honestly, one of the coolest cameos. I know this is very random and very off topic. You know us.


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[Assistant] He is handsome. He is so handsome. He was so genuine and kind in the cameo. It made him handsomer. It really did. So he was a great one. So if you're ever looking for a cameo for someone, Montel Jordan.


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[Assistant] Oh yea. Sheena can literally be talking to you and in the middle of the sentence will just belt out a note and you're like- And you just stand there and stare at her? You're like, that's stupid. That skill that you have. That's stupid. Stop that. That's stupid Sheena.


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[Assistant] A couple of exciting things. So one exciting thing for my ghosties out there, my ghouls, my galettes, my galets, uhm, I know you saw that announcement. I know you saw that.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the band ghost posted this thing, cause we've all been waiting to find out what happens to Papa there.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're all worried. And so, it's been quiet. And then we get this little video.


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[Assistant] Of him twirling around on stage, which like, I missed it. And in the middle of that video, you see a little boop, you see sister in there.


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[Assistant] Just a little flash. It is sister. And we said, huh, what's that? And then I, of course I looked.


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[Assistant] I know ghost fans will always immediately start putting those pieces together for me, which is, I appreciate.


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[Assistant] So I looked, and it is very much a reference to the dream that the priest has in the exorcist, uhm, that kind of foreshadows his death, his demise. Oh, shit, yeaah. So, some's happening, guys. Some's happening.


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[Assistant] We got movement, we got, we came up for air for a minute, so like, I don't know, you're just selling it with me, I know this, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I don't know what I was doing. So something's happening. I think, you know, it says coming to cinemas. So I'm assuming it's like the Los Angeles tour. They did two nights in Los Angeles, I think it was, and they, it was like very secret, very...


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[Assistant] One of my twins was sick recently and we had to bring her to like, you know, the, the pediatric like urging care or whatever. Little muffin. It was fine. It was just like a chesty kind of cold. So we wanted to make sure it wasn't like, you know.


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[Assistant] Anything pneumonia-y. Yeah, it sounded foul. Yeah, just suddenly, you know, everything's going around. So we were bringing her to the pediatric, uh, urgent care.


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[Assistant] And John brought her while I stayed with the other ones and he said on the way there and on the way back, cause she was like a little, she just wasn't feeling good and she didn't want to go to the doctors, you know, little kid things.


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[Assistant] And she asked, she was like, what can I put on for you? Like in the car, on the way there and on the way back, all she wanted to listen to was Ghost. That's all she wanted to listen to. And then it made her happy. He was like, she was like giggling by the end of, by the time I got there, she was asking about certain lyrics. Like she was like,


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[Assistant] Influence them in that way, you want to just kind of show them and open it up to them and be like, and they've always heard me listening to it.


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[Assistant] It's fun. It's fun to see their like little personalities. Yeah. But that was fun. And I think the only other thing...


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[Assistant] Then I've gotta say before we start this case is uhm, go to thebutchergame.com and buy that bitch's book.


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[Assistant] The sequel to The Butcher in the Run, so go get it, go pre-order it. It's coming out September 17th. There's gonna be all kinds of fun things up until September 17th, so keep an eye out, keep an ear out. And after.


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[Assistant] You know, all of it, especially after, but even leading up, so.


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[Assistant] Go pre-order that bitch, because pre-orders are great, and I love a pre-order, and pre-order is a little hard to say, uhm, so I'm tripping over it a little bit, but you know, you're here with me.


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[Assistant] It's so much signing, but happy to do it. I will sign all the books, all the books.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, go to TheButcherGame.com and it will lead you to all the places that you can get it, Barnes & Noble, you know, all the places. Uh, so go do that, cause that would be sick. And pre-orders really help me. Party. As the author, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I hope you guys dig it. It's much more gnarly, like I said, it's longer, so you'll dig it, I think, I hope. I can't wait for it. So do that, guys. You guys have been great. And I think that's really all the stuff we wanted to tap into.


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[Assistant] About how long 30 minutes is. Oh my god, 30 minutes is a long.


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[Assistant] These are like torture, long periods of time, like this isn't, you know,


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[Assistant] This person or these people are taking like time with these victims and for them to just, and I understand they had nothing to go on, but to just think of them saying like, we're probably never going to catch this person or these people is like,


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[Assistant] That's what's so interesting is like, you're like, is it one person or is it multiple people?


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[Assistant] I always, that always kills me when it's like, cause it could go either way. It's like that family is sitting there holding out hope. Of course. But it's, and you want, you know.


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[Assistant] Like they say in, you know, Shawshank Redemption, it's like hope is one of the best things. Yeah.


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[Assistant] You also think of like the dark side of that of like.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, so I think it's probably one of those things where they just want to know.


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[Assistant] I used to think that during, uhm, autopsies a lot, if somebody had their nails painted, I was always like, did you know that that was the color? The last color you were going to wear?


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[Assistant] It's just one of those things like, you know, I used to think that with like hairstyles too or like.


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[Assistant] Or it's like pushed down there to incapacitator. Exactly. Holy shit. This is gnarly. It's really gnarly. Like that's awful. That is awful. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It was that it was so of the time too, that kind of attitude. So of the time, so of the place, a lot of.


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[Assistant] At that time, and again, again in that place, when kids went missing, it just wasn't treated the same. It was automatically assumed that they'll come back.


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[Assistant] For sure, I don't think it's just a coincidence that they're only finding one.


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[Assistant] The M.O. here? It's almost, it's like they're


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[Assistant] They're like trying different things, or they're... You know? Which...


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[Assistant] Polygraphs can be interesting when used in conjunction with lots of other


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[Assistant] It's gotta be a part of several pieces, it can't just be the only


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[Assistant] But it's like that extra, it's an extra horrible layer on top of it to do it during like Christmas.


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[Assistant] I really thought, I know you said it was unsolved, but I was like- But you hope that they're gonna like-


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[Assistant] I feel like it's very similar and of course it's like a lot of these unfortunate fuckers had...


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[Assistant] And those sometimes had similar victim, you know, profiles that they went after.


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[Assistant] Like, what the odds would be for that, but it's gotta be astronomical. Somebody do it.


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[Assistant] I fully, it's so funny when you brought that up because I thought it almost immediately. I was like, huh, the ages are what make me think this was


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[Assistant] Mmhm. Or actually, 77. 77? Okay. So, could this... Alright, it might have been even earlier than that. I know...


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[Assistant] 77 they were in the midst. That's where their first identified victim. It was happening at least.


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[Assistant] A very wide birth of age, like between their, their victims go from like 12.


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[Assistant] To about 28, I wanna say. Our youngest here is 12. Is 12, like.


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[Assistant] Uhm, two of the victims were friends. One of them was 12 year old, uhm, Dolores Dolly Sapita. She was 12. And then her friend was Sonia Johnson. She was 14.


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[Assistant] And as we know about the Hillside Stranglers, they were called that, but they did a lot of fucked up shit to their victims. And they experimented a lot, they did a lot of like, they were messy, they were unorganized.


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[Assistant] And it feels like they were kind of going after, if this is, if this theory did ever prove to be true, which obviously we're just.


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[Assistant] Speculating. Theorizing and speculating of course. It would seem like maybe they were going after younger victims first to, you know, to see what works essentially. Right. Like thinking it may have been easier.


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[Assistant] So I think they, I know they drove a car. I know that was generally it. I don't remember if there was a truck involved or anything. And most of these women were spotted in vans and...


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[Assistant] I don't think Kenneth Bianchi left Rochester, New York to come to Los Angeles until like mid 70s, like 75, 76.


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[Assistant] Now that I'm thinking of the timeline, I was so sure at first, but once I thought of the timeline, I was like, wait a second, that doesn't...


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[Assistant] Still hanging out in prison right now. So it's like they, they got his DNA. They'd be able to have his DNA, yeaah. Well, live theorizing.


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[Assistant] This was, kept those fucking earrings. Took those earrings. And I agree, like that was the thing that was sticking with me too, was I was like.


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[Assistant] Those earrings, I don't, and that they didn't, that wasn't part of their exploits, you know, like, that they didn't


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, and it's pretty clear that it wasn't happening where they were found. So where the fuck did this happen? Where were they killed? That's even more chilling. When they can't find the murder sites and they don't know where it happened, for some reason that just gets me. No, that's very scary. I have no idea.


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[Assistant] Kill anything, really, and he's capable of killing someone as young as 12. 100%. Cause he has a 12 year old victim, so. I don't know if that, I don't know if I would discount. Yeah, I don't think I would discount it. I'm not sold, but I'm not, I'm not not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Ted Bundy's, one of his first victims in Idaho, was a hitchhiker.


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[Assistant] And then there are several, cause there's a lot of people who.


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[Assistant] From that time period, and obviously you can't believe everybody, but a lot of people have stories about coming in contact with Ted Bundy, and many of them line up with the right time frame. They line up with the right space. You know, I'm sure a lot of people are telling the truth because that he was everywhere, but a lot of people have stories about


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[Assistant] Like a couple of people have had stories about being picked up by him. Like hitchhiking.


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[Assistant] It's not out of the realm of possibility and it is, at that point, it was the easiest route for them to take.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it just, it's kind of a convenience thing at that time. Yeah, that does make sense. So I wouldn't, I'm not totally out on that.


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[Assistant] Very, very interesting. And working at the place where some of the victims went to school. I would be interested. Being into violent pornography, dying the year that it all stopped. It's a lot. Who the fuck is related to this guy? Go find those earrings. Those earrings are somewhere.


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[Assistant] The coincidental death of the, uh, the last guy. Uhm. The death happening. Frederick. The year that. That everything.


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[Assistant] They got put in prison or something that year like for something else unrelated and it all stops.


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[Assistant] It's very hard to get past. Someone do the odds for that. Like that is, I think that's the guy. I'm sold on him.


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[Assistant] So it's like where the hell did he live? Has the thing been searched thoroughly? Are we looking for false floorboards? Are we looking for basements? Are we looking for attics? Are we looking for...


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[Assistant] Yeah, no. Just for future rest. It happens, you know? Hmm. Interesting. Interesting.


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[Assistant] Until I see those earrings, or until I need the earrings, I'm still on Fredrick. Fredrick, yea. I think Fredrick is- I think he's the strongest of the fuckers.


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[Assistant] I'm glad that it's still actively under investigation because I feel like we can figure something out here.


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[Assistant] Or at least start like, you know, weeding through the potential suspects. Start thinning that pile out a little bit. Right.


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[Assistant] Look at Frederick. Look at one of his relatives. Just take a look.


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[Assistant] Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Elena. I'm Corinne. And I'm Sabrina. And this is Morbid!


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[Assistant] Okay, but we haven't told you what we're doing on this feed. We've told you a lot about what we're doing on the two girls one girls feed. But on this feed, do you wanna?


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[Assistant] Adults and children have been making up and documenting songs and rhymes to share stories and basically just try to explain the world around them.


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[Assistant] A ton of purposes like entertainment, communication, social bonding.


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[Assistant] And they also encourage, uh, phonological awareness, which is a way that people actually learn and understand the sound and structure of words and phrases or phrases, excuse me, which I thought was cool. That is cool.


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[Assistant] However, like folklore and urban legend, nursery rhymes and children's songs are also a powerful means of conveying social norms, expectations, and shared morality.


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[Assistant] According to Lisa Hazlett from the University of South Dakota, nursery rhymes are a form of quote unquote hidden literacies. Their verses are, their verses were powerful, subversive opinions of political, social, or religious commentary regarding then contemporary events.


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[Assistant] So essentially she's saying that just like slang or other types of culturally specific vernacular, nursery rhymes are a way for


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[Assistant] They also tend to be regionally specific and address themes, ideas or issues related to the place where they get created in the first place.


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[Assistant] So getting topical here, the Lizzie Borden took an axe rhyme. It's an upbeat eight lines children's rhyme.


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[Assistant] Most people in and around Fall River, Massachusetts at the time specifically.


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[Assistant] But had gotten away with the murder, so she was completely ostracized by almost everybody in town.


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[Assistant] Well we actually drove by it when we left. Oh did you? Yeaah. It's beautiful. It is. But kids would literally stand outside that house chanting that rhyme at her. It's kind of like impractical.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and she would just like sit in her living room with her dogs. If she didn't do it too, like you were saying that earlier.


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[Assistant] But it was a way of constantly reminding both the local courts and the very wealthy Lizzie Borden up on that hill that no matter what the law said, they in the community knew for a fact that she was a murderer.


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[Assistant] It's kind of a coincidence if that's the case. And there's so many other AVPs that will like visit on you guys' feed that why would that be said in that room? Exactly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they didn't get along. Which leaning toward if Lizzie did it, Abby got hit a lot more. She sure did. Than the father did. She sure did.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, well, I was reading while you were reading all the autopsy reports, I was just reading different theories, and I guess there's not a lot of evidence that he was abusive toward her. Yea, I think it's just like, um. It's kind of a rumor.


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[Assistant] And it makes sense because there's no way that he could've, I think even if he was sleeping, he would've been woken up by this sound. She would've...


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[Assistant] Not that, not necessarily that she would have screamed because maybe she didn't, but I think just the sound of like repeated like flub flub. Because they're close. Those rooms are not far away. Yea, they said.


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[Assistant] I think it was Bridget and somebody else, I'm not sure who was with her, who discovered Abby's body, and they only made it halfway up the stairs before they saw.


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[Assistant] And that's always what I, like, equate with this crime. I'm like, oh, like, you think Lizzie Borden, you think axe. And then I think I just recently realized, like, no, it wasn't even an axe. Even though we've covered this before, my brain always goes there.


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[Assistant] They did, but then I think there was a big feud between them toward the end of their lives. I remember the original tour that we went on, something happened between them and Emma left Maplecroft.


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[Assistant] Because one popular interpretation of this rhyme is, uh, that it contains sexual overtones, with the goose symbolizing fertility, particularly with the reference, My Lady's Chamber.


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[Assistant] Uh, similarly, librarian Chris Roberts writes, and days gone by goose was a common term for, and he says, prostitutes.


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[Assistant] So the early part of the rhyme conceivably alludes to the spread of venereal disease.


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[Assistant] Is that the goosey gander rhyme actually tells a story of religious persecution in England.


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[Assistant] I guess in 1650 there were a shit ton of brothels around London that existed on land that was actually owned by the Catholic Church, which


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[Assistant] But he also dealt a very heavy blow to Catholicism.


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[Assistant] So the reference to the old man who wouldn't say his prayers could possibly be a reference to


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[Assistant] Catholic priests and bishops who were punished for not reading from scripture published by the Church of England and for resisting or defying Protestant authority.


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[Assistant] So not only would that explanation be a more complete interpretation of the rhyme, cause like the sexual overtones are there, but then you get to the end and it does kind of fall off with like he wouldn't say his prayers.


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[Assistant] Uh, it would also be in keeping with Hazlett's theory of hidden literacies. In this case, the simple, cheery children's rhyme is used to explain a major shift in the physical and cultural landscape that removed power from the Catholic Church, and it reminded others of the potential consequences of defying Protestant rule.


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[Assistant] Right. And now that you said like all those things like weren't, they didn't come about until like years and years later. That's so crazy.


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[Assistant] So those were our weird nursery rhymes and a little bit of information on Lizzie Borden, but we're definitely going to explore more because not only is Alina a Ripperologist, she is now a Lizzieologist. Yep. And I'm, I'm joining on this one. Yeah, Bordenologist. Let's go. Let's become Bordenologists together. I'm fully ready. Oh, absolutely. It's happening. We'll be your laugh track.


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[Assistant] Alright, so we're wrapping up this episode, but remember you should go over to the Two Girls, One Ghost feed and listen to that episode where we're gonna go talk about all of the scary shit in depth that we experienced in the house.


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[Assistant] And I've never heard of this case, so I don't know what's gonna happen, but I know it's not gonna be great.


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[Assistant] Well that's the thing, it's like you guys were all best friends, they know their dad was away a lot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and you're siblings, so it's like, there's a whole different dynamic here and it's like, oh, I just


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[Assistant] Like, you know, like, you might be where she was, like,


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[Assistant] And they're thinking like, your house might have been the place they were going. Right. So like, yeah, we do need you to be a part of this whole thing.


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[Assistant] So no one knows where your parents are. You're acting devastated by this fact.


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[Assistant] And you took a sleeping pill? What if they find them? Exactly.


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[Assistant] All my paranormal friends here. Yea. I know you're sitting here feeling us.


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[Assistant] I swear the, the like move is to never tell, to tell your kids that you don't have a will.


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[Assistant] You hear about this shit and you're like, people killing their parents over wills.


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[Assistant] There's a shelf behind me. On the wall.


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[Assistant] It almost sounded like a woodpecker. Something, it was like dah dah dah dah dah dah dah behind me and then it just stopped and nothing else in this room did that.


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[Assistant] But you do wonder if he didn't have that hand thing and he was able to continue working.


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[Assistant] I wondered that. And owning that salon if it would have changed the past. Because I always wonder if like something like that can lead someone away from those


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[Assistant] Would this have happened? Yea, like he was kind of supporting himself more, at least.


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[Assistant] You know, he was doing it well by all accounts, so it's like...


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[Assistant] But I do wonder, it's really sad, because I wonder if Margaret and Paul would still be here. I know.


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[Assistant] So I threw in the GPS and I was directing them and the drive to my buddy's place was, was fine. It was whenever we got there that it got weird. He, uh, he's like, before you leave, before you leave, you gotta try my gloves. And he was like falling over his words. He was very like intense. And he's like, you gotta try my gloves. And I was like, gloves? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I make gloves. You gotta, you gotta try them on. Okay. All right, man. I'll try on your gloves.


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[Assistant] So he digs in the back, see, he gets this big box full of gloves, and he gets me this real small pair, and I got holes in the knuckles, these leather pair of gloves, and I was like, I don't know if those are gonna fit me, man. He's like, no, no, just, just, just pull them, pull them on, like, they'll fit, they'll fit. Okay. So I, I tried putting these gloves on, and of course they didn't fit. I was like, alright man, like, I can't, I can't put these on, they're not gonna fit me. He's like, alright, alright, I got another pair, just, just, just, just wait one second, just wait one second. He's getting more and more kind of intense.


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[Assistant] Get this over with. I didn't know that, that when you cut even.


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[Assistant] People got really emotionally attached to that song. It's true. And you know, it's, that's the thing. It's fine. Like that's a great nostalgia bomb. Yeah. Like, yes, that was a wonderful moment in time. We just don't, we, we grew from that. I don't know her. We grew out of that. Yeah. That was a seed we are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I don't, I said, I, that's what my first thought was actually, Venus flytrap, but then I was like, I'm not eating flies.


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[Assistant] No, I don't want to do that either, to be quite honest. I think snapdragons. Oh, smart on your part. I think they're pretty, aren't they? Absolutely, they sound pretty.


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[Assistant] Oh, they're fucking beautiful. I can't have them because I have cats. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. That's what we are. Yes. Uhm, look at us. I was, I was going to say I was the corpse flower and I only bloom once every like 10 years and


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[Assistant] What the fuck kind of flower is this? Yea, it's gnarly. Where do these grow? Yea, there's only a few around, like there's a few around here. Like at places. For real? At, I shouldn't say few, there's like really, you have to travel to see one. Like they have them at a place.


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[Assistant] There is, I don't know where though, but I wanted to see it the last time and I didn't get to.


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[Assistant] And I would like to see it this time. I wanna see one, I don't wanna smell it. Yeah. I wanna smell it.


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[Assistant] I wanna see if it's- Good for you. If it's the same. How far away can you- You can smell one half a mile away. It's gnarly. I'm wearing a mask. I'm excited about it. That's gonna be our next.


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[Assistant] Botanical gardens, you know, like very fancy places. There's one at the Franklin Zoo, that's, that's a drive, but. That's a drive. But you know what? Worth it. Yeah. You know?


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[Assistant] Take a whole last day trip. Oh, this was three, four years ago. Just kidding. It might still be there though. Well, no, it probably died, right? But I think they like re-bloom. They'd be doing that, you're right.


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[Assistant] It looks like, it almost looks like an oversized aloe plant before it grows. Yeaah, it kinda does, you're right. Yeaah, okay, I gotta get out of here. Sorry. So, it's listener tales, which are... Brought to you by you for you from you and all about you. Exactly. And I had to make that happen. Yeaah, of course. We can't go into it without that. Nay-nay, I said. And the first one that we found just looks...


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[Assistant] Iconic. Oh yea, cause Deb Deb as we all know helps us like organize the listener tales. I said, Deb Deb really put a folder together and she found the perfect listener tale. She sure did.


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[Assistant] It is entitled, A Priest Stole My Great Grandmother's Godmother's Grimoire? Grimoire? Like what?


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[Assistant] It's just very, it's, it seemed like there might have been some personal


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[Assistant] Moments that I just didn't want to like- Yea, we didn't know if we were in like- We didn't want to assume that you wanted it all on the pod, so- Yes. I'll just read attached, it's a double-spaced puttifa, typed up on my phone, so I hope it comes through okay? It did. It's perfect. With some of the weird tales that string through the generations of women on my maternal side. Approximately a ten minute read. Enjoy! So let's get into this.


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[Assistant] Growing up, I always heard the stories of premonitions, ghosts, and curses, and they all started with my great-grandmother's godmother.


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[Assistant] I'm already in. I'm so in. In 1906, my great-grandmother Alma, ugh.


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[Assistant] Now, I'm choosing the name Jenny because I cannot remember what my nana Dolores, daughter of Alma, told me her name was. Dolore. Curse little me for not writing that shit down.


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[Assistant] Jenny had been labeled as a witch her whole life, since being a small girl when she put a curse on a nasty little brat who was a terror and bully to everyone in school.


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[Assistant] Iconic behavior. Jenny told the girl that she would experience the pain that she inflicted on others and that it would


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[Assistant] Not saying like, I'm gonna inflict this pain on you. You're gonna receive what you are putting out. Yeaah. That's all she said was you are gonna get it back.


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[Assistant] And she got it back. She done did it. Now this was probably the late 1800s. Woah.


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[Assistant] My favorite time. So medicine obviously wasn't what it was now, but doctors could find nothing wrong with the girl. She just couldn't poop. The girl's mom finally went to Jenny and Jenny's mother, begging them to do something about it, pleading for her daughter's health to return.


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[Assistant] As she had started throwing up too. Yea, it's gotta come out somehow. It's coming out. Apparently Jenny's mom just kind of gave Jenny a look like, come on, really? Jenny sighed, got up, placed a hand on the afflicted girl and said, I forgive you.


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[Assistant] Jenny never went on to have kids of her own, so when her best friend had a daughter, oh, Jenny was smitten. Alma was supposed to learn from Jenny, be taught the ways in order to pass down the tradition. Now I don't have much that stands out in my memory for stories directly involving Alma, other than the final story of Jenny, which Alma was present for.


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[Assistant] As magical as Jenny may have been, she was not immune to the effects of time.


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[Assistant] Jenny was on her deathbed in a hospital, all but gone, not conscious or communicating anymore.


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[Assistant] When her breathing became a death rattle they called for the hospital's resident holy man, a priest, to pray over her.


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[Assistant] The priest was caught off guard, shocked that he had been called into the room when he saw her like he knew she didn't subscribe to his beliefs, at least not in the way he deemed quote unquote right.


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[Assistant] quote, no one can have this book, he said before tossing his jacket over the book as to not touch it and picked it up, ready to leave with it.


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[Assistant] I can only assume that this book was a book of shadows of sorts, her grimoire.


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[Assistant] This shawl was always with her, always worn like a security blanket or a favorite accessory.


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[Assistant] Right? In that moment of Jenny's final breath, the shell rippled down from Jenny's body, down across her legs, and towards the doorway where the priest was, before cascading down the floor where it remained motionless. The movement was described as that of a light wind blowing through, but there was no wind, there was no draft, and there was no more Jenny.


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[Assistant] We all believe this was the spirit of Jenny making a final attempt to get her book back. I like to think she haunted him till the day he died for taking what didn't belong to him. I think we were all a little mad at that still. Yea, of course. I don't blame you.


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[Assistant] Now onto my Nana Dolores. I absolutely idolize this woman, and even now, thinking of her, I have tears forming in my eyes. I still feel her warmth and love like she's still here. Dolores was a very strong woman, driven, independent, beautiful, and full of love.


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[Assistant] She was also incredibly gifted in gardening and animal care, always making some sort of solve or medicinal herb blends, bringing animals back from the brink of death, and rescuing the injured creatures that no one else would consider.


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[Assistant] I fucking love Dolores. I love Dolores, I love Jenny, I love Alma.


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[Assistant] I remember times of helping her in the garden when we would just stop what we were doing because there was a toad in the way and we would talk to them until they moved. You guys are the most magical fucking beings. I'm obsessed. This is practical magic. This is.


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[Assistant] She got out to see if she could tell what was wrong, but she wasn't exactly a mechanic, and cell phones obviously didn't exist.


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[Assistant] She thought that was a weird question because why would she be driving around with an empty glass bottle? He encouraged her to check. She popped the trunk, and by some miracle, there was a glass sprite bottle.


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[Assistant] And even though it was a heavy downpour, the man wasn't wet. Not even a little. It's almost like he wasn't there at all.


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[Assistant] My Nana passed away in January 2019. I'm sorry. As happens with time and passing, she isn't part of a daily conversation or even, or thoughts even. It happens. Time moves on.


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[Assistant] And yet, there have been occasions when I'll have a random dream of her. I'll see my mom and say, hey, I had a dream about Nana on Tuesday. And mom will look at me with a serious expression and say, you're kidding, I had a dream of her on Tuesday.


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[Assistant] This is always out of the blue. It's not like we were just talking about her or something. Maybe she's visiting us in her dreams. I suddenly just got this like overwhelming feeling of like, I'm gonna cry right now. You have tears in your eyes. Ash literally has tears in her eyes, I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] So I'm not sure what it is we have. I don't know if I even fully buy into it, but I don't have an explanation for these things either. Maybe it's all because of my great-grandmother's godmother, or maybe that just made us all more open to the possibilities.


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[Assistant] The regular feelings of deja vu and the lost or injured animals that always seem to find me remind me that this might just be the fate of women in my family, and I think I'm okay with that.


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[Assistant] Half of me is hoping I feel something spooky, and the other half of me is hoping a ghostie doesn't follow me home. Anyway, keep it weird, but not so weird that you steal a book of shadows from a dying woman's bedside table, because bro, that's just fucked up.


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[Assistant] But do keep it so weird that when you die you become a friendly roadside assistant who helps weary travelers. Absolutely keep it that weird. Sarah! Wow.


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[Assistant] Those were beautiful in a way I can't describe. I can't even explain, and you told them beautifully. I could picture all of that in my head. You have a beautiful way with words. Write something. I was going to say, I feel like- Sit down and write. You need to write- If you haven't already. Yeah, you need to write like a book about like Dolores and Jenny and all of them. Please write a beautiful children's book.


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[Assistant] About the witchy women in your family. Please. Because I would read my kids that book. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Please do it. I encourage you. That whole story just gave me like


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[Assistant] Me too, like that like filled me up. Yeaah. You filled my cup, Sarah. You really did. I appreciate that. Wow. Damn. Damn, Sarah. Honestly.


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[Assistant] That story is just, that story about Jenny just blew my fucking mind. And I'm obsessed with the Traveler. Because I don't know if, like, we'll have to have Mikey on to do, to tell his story. He needs to tell.


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[Assistant] Spirit guide or some kind of guardian or some kind of something that we can't explain and he will tell you this story and it's beautiful and amazing and it reminded me of that. That's another tale that like made me want to cry when Mikey told us that. So we'll have to have Mikey on for a listener tale and he can.


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[Assistant] Cause you, cause you guys, I know you want to probably hear Mikey. Oh yeaah. Cause, and you should. He's wonderful. It'd be great. So, thank you Sarah for that. Wow, that was great. Damn. Okay, I'm gonna read the one about cats next, cause I don't know if you know this about me, but I do love cats. Well you like cats.


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[Assistant] But then we really wanted an animal and I was, Drew was like, let's get a cat. And I was like, I've never met a nice cat. And then, and then you, I met three. You met three nice cats. And I'm now obsessed. And I'm not a big cat person. Like I've always been not really a cat person. Same.


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[Assistant] Me and Franklin. Oh, you have a vibe. We have a bomb. So Franklin, they've turned me around. Franklin will like kiss me. Like if I like make like a muah muah muah muah, he literally like kisses me. Like he doesn't like lick me, but like he bops his mouth onto my mouth and it's beautiful. And it's beautiful and don't make it weird.


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[Assistant] We're bros. But I think it's also the witch in us. I think so. But so yea, this is about a cat, it's called Listener Tail, haunted by Mr. Mayor the Cat. Mr. Mayor the Cat. I can say your name, this is from Carson.


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[Assistant] Maybe you meant to put in a story amount, but you didn't. Oh, that's okay. Like a time, and that's okay. XX is not a Roman numeral.


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[Assistant] I mean, it is a Roman numeral, but I don't know if that's what they were meaning. That would be big, I think. I think it's ten, isn't it? Or no, that's V. Nope. Hold on, I'm gonna Google it. No, V is five. Sorry, I'm not up on Roman numerals.


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[Assistant] On an honest note that I won't even try asking you to skip. Your show has helped me through some very hard times and I'm so grateful for you both. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're beautiful.


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[Assistant] To strange UFO sightings that I noped the fuck away from, to spooky ghosties in my haunted ass Bridgewater Triangle apartments, I have a metric fuckton of tales I could tell you. But alas, let's not focus on those tales.


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[Assistant] And instead focus on these T-A-I-L-S tales. I'm obsessed. As I tell you the sweet story of being haunted by my beloved cat.


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[Assistant] Oh, I'm gonna cry. I know I'm gonna cry on this. I'm very weirdly emotional today. My nephew was just born and that set us off. So.


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[Assistant] My then partner, now spouse. Quick sidebar, my spouse prefers to be called my cowboy because as they say, I upgraded from partner and now I'm your cowboy. Howdy hey. Stop. I upgraded from partner. Now I'm your cowboy.


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[Assistant] We were determined to find our perfect fur baby who would happily give us cuddles, purrs, and love forevermore. Well, fuck us, because when we laid our eyes upon this scrumptious, squishiest, angriest cat in the whole fucking place, we were instantly smitten and he was coming home with us.


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[Assistant] Now this cat had been through it in his two years of life. He was, uh, rescued from a feral cat colony where the shelter worker said other cats were grooming him, bringing him food and taking care of his every need. Therefore he was deemed by shelter staff Mr. Mayor. He was like, clean me, bring me food.


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[Assistant] While the rest of Mr. Mayor's colony was sent away to be part of the shelter's barn cat program, where feral cats who cannot be domesticated are adopted to farmers who need to keep down the vermin population, our beautiful sack of fur was deemed unable to survive on his own and was not eligible.


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[Assistant] By this I mean he was missing two ribs. He was born with legs that were too short, and a tail that was too short, and therefore had difficulty with balance, and also had asthma. But just like that, feral colony of cats, our feral self said, imma take care of this hunk of junk.


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[Assistant] Take care of you. I love this. So began the next three years of our life, which we fully and entirely dedicated to this cat.


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[Assistant] It took six months to let us pet him, a full year for him to sit with us on the couch, a year and a half before he would sleep on us at night, and two years before he would ever let another human besides my cowboy and me pet him.


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[Assistant] But, with each of his milestones, we slowly learned that we were correct. We had adopted literally the best cat ever. Hell yea. He slowly showed us how silly and sweet he was. And when we adopted two other cats, are we the same human? I was gonna say wow. Are we the same human? He was instantly in love with them and followed them everywhere.


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[Assistant] By the time he was five, his favorite activities included playing with his siblings by flopping on the ground and bunny kicking in the air as they casually walked by.


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[Assistant] We were devastated and brought his body home so that the other cats could sniff him and know what happened. So that they wouldn't have to wonder where their brother went. I'm gonna fucking cry right now. Oh my god. You guys are doing it to Ash. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] And when I hear people say that animals don't have emotions, I always talk about how hard my other two cats took the passing of Mr. Mayor. I'm gonna start sobbing.


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[Assistant] Holding Bailey while she died. It's a different kind of love. I will never be able to describe or handle that feeling again.


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[Assistant] I know we got two other dogs, so it's like, we opened ourselves up for that eventually in life, but it's like, I...


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[Assistant] I'm telling you, and John said the same, we were shocked at how that grief.


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[Assistant] That's your first baby. This first baby that me and John.


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[Assistant] It's wild. And even my kids, like one of my kids the other night started to cry because she misses


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[Assistant] Very valid thing to say, I just had to tell you that. No, it's true, and it's a different bond entirely, so I get it. Yeah, some people aren't gonna get it, and that's, that's whatever. And it's not for them to get. Just know. I get it. Get you. I get it, dude.


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[Assistant] So suffice to say, we were all devastated, and so were all of the friends and family who had come to love and watched this little guy's journey of learning he was safe and loved.


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[Assistant] There he rested for four more years and the wheels of life kept on going until it came time for us to move. We'd been renting from my in-laws' old house and they wanted to sell it, so we finally struck out on our own.


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[Assistant] We began packing and got a real estate agent to help us buy our first home.


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[Assistant] But as the days went on, something that had never happened for our entire time living in this house started to happen.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say. And we have cat. And that's a cat. So we were both shitting our britches of course and called up our witchy friend with a quick S.O.S. ghost invasion.


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[Assistant] They came over the next day and we were like, the house is mad at us for leaving. And they smiled at us and said, it's not the house, it's the land. Like something in the land doesn't want you to leave. I'm gonna sob right now.


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[Assistant] We both looked at each other sobbing and though a great deal of sad boy sobs said, excuse me, through a great deal of sad boy sobs said in perfect unison, It's Mr. Bear!


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[Assistant] This cat had never moved in his life and was probably so scared seeing us pack up all his familiar and favorite things into boxes, and in typical cat fashion was letting us know his worry by knocking shit off a table.


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[Assistant] That makes so much sense, our goddess witch of a divine friend replied. I think he wants to know he can come with you, and he wants you to bring something too from his grave.


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[Assistant] It had never been there before, but there it was. Wow. We took the bird and told our baby boy he's always welcome to come with us, and we would never leave without him. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] And oh wow, this is really getting me. This is so sad.


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[Assistant] And all of a sudden, poof, no more heavy feeling, no more shit getting knocked over, no more shadowy figures. We moved into our new place with ease and set up a small table with a framed picture of Mr. Mayor's paw prints. We have that for Bubba. Yeaah, and now the little metal bird.


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[Assistant] Since then, the only haunting that happens from our Mr. Mayor is every now and then, we'll walk into our bedroom and see our cats cuddling. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] And for just a moment out of the corner of my eyes I'll see a third Mr. Mayor shaped lump there snuggled in next to them like he always was in life. I love that. I'm sobbing.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, this did not end our scary haunting experiences because the building that we moved into is next door to a graveyard. Across the street from a mortuary, the building I live in has creepy children's laughter on the staircase in the middle of the night. Well, I'm not crying now.


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[Assistant] One from the day I brought him home, and the other to show how he's thriving. He is thriving. Oh wow, and the difference. I know, he looks so nervous before. He looks so nervous. Oh and then he's, he's this very like, he's beautiful. I love his coloring.


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[Assistant] You can tell he's so unsure and like very nervous and scared, and then the picture now is him fully decked out for his birthday, happy as can be with a giant


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[Assistant] Okay, sup my lovely spoopy ladies. My name is Ellie. I love that name. It's so pretty. And yes, you can use it. Thank you. This will be a long story, although try to shorten it as much as I can. Lots of backstory though. I'd love to spill my guts and tell you how incredible you two are, but you already know that. We have shenanigans to get to. Off we go. Love that. I love you.


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[Assistant] Let's hop in our wayback machine and travel to a time of Farmville, Jersey Shore, and Kate Gosselin being fed up with John's breathing. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] The fact that that, I, I can't even go back there because I could not ever watch that show. And then wait really quickly, John's Ed Hardy era.


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[Assistant] Oh, the Ed Hardy era that everyone went through. The Jersey Shore of it all too.


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[Assistant] So it says, I was 17 and a senior in high school going to school with the same kids since fourth grade. It was a time of aim, chat rooms, and Facebook was a new up and coming site. I can't remember exactly how I met the antagonist of our story, but I do know it was online. Let's call this guy Tyler.


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[Assistant] Tyler was from Illinois and I lived in small upper middle class Pennsylvania town. My family didn't exactly fit the mold of this town, with my single mother working diligently as an RN to raise three kids, what a badass.


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[Assistant] My dumbass 17 year old self obviously must have given him my address at some point. So stupid. Let me add here that this could be used as a cautionary tale for kids today. Okay, so at least he was who he said he was. Neve's help won't be needed at this point. He did it. Oh man. The original Catfish movie? I watched that recently. That's a horror film.


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[Assistant] Oh, he didn't have anywhere to stay, and yes, he was planning on staying, so I begged my mom to let him stay with us, in our house. She eventually said yes, although I don't think it took too much convincing. I knew that he and his dad had been having problems, so I assume that's why he wanted to get away from home.


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[Assistant] I also knew that he had stolen a car before. Face palm to the fucking forehead emoji. Did I mention I was dumb? I thought I thought, I thought I loved this prick so I fell for the whole I'll never do it again. I've learned my lesson spiel. I was fucking starry eyed. I have fixed the bad boy. I have fixed the bad boy. Fucking score. Am I right? You know what? You were 17. And we've all been there.


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[Assistant] We've all been there, that I'm gonna fix him phase. Oh god, the amount, and also the amount of people you think you love before you realize like what love truly is and you're like,


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[Assistant] Because you know what? It's not up to anybody else to fix someone else. You gotta fix yourself. You gotta fix yourself! You can't love yourself, RuPaul says. How in the hell are you gonna love somebody else? Exactly. Speaking of RuPaul, quick little side note just for the parents out there. Have you watched The Tiny Chef Show?


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[Assistant] Rupaul is in it. I love. And also, please watch the Tiny Chef show. The Tiny Chef is so cute. You will be laughing your ass off. It's amazing. My kids thought it was hilarious. I love it. So go watch that. Let's go. Tiny Chef is so cute.


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[Assistant] Good afternoon, Ellie. My name is Officer So-and-so. I'm writing this to let you know that we are looking for Tyler Liar Liar Pants on Fire. We have reason to believe he's with you and want you to know if he is.


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[Assistant] That is considered harboring a fugitive and your mother could be in serious legal trouble.


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[Assistant] She and or you could be arrested. Please call me at blah blah blah number. Oh my god. Imagine getting that message. At 17 years old. What was my first thought after reading this?


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[Assistant] He was reading the message over my shoulder on our monstrosity of a computer, looking nervous as he double hockey sticks. He played it off though, saying it was probably his dad trying to get him to come home because the message came from a blank profile.


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[Assistant] Okay, shrug. On with life without another thought. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. But not for long.


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[Assistant] The next day was Friday. This is where our story gets juuuuucy. Oh no. He said he wanted to trade his jeep in for a new truck. This struck me as odd, but I'm 17, okay? I'm dumb and live in a bubble. After school, yes, this stranger, uh, fugitive, was in our home alone while we were at work and school. Jump scare. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] I happily rode with him in this car lot, to this car lot about 20 minutes away.


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[Assistant] He, I mean we, test drove a 90-something Chevy Silverado. You know, the one, the one that your grandpa probably drove. We pulled back into the lot and he went inside. When he came out, he said they told him he couldn't trade his vehicle with an out of state license. Did this make sense to me? Nope, sure didn't. But again, I'm dumb.


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[Assistant] I'm just a little 17 year old baby who knows nothing about how the world works and believes everything that anyone tells me. Yup.


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[Assistant] We drove back to my house in his hunk of a junk jeep. That night he told me he was going back to the car lot tomorrow to quote, sign papers for the trade. Wait, wait, wait. What happened to the out of state license debacle?


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[Assistant] Tyler said the salesperson called, and it was all hunky dory now. Okay, okay, I believe that. As the loving, caring, and most perfect girlfriend that I was, I asked if he wanted me to go with him. You would have thought that Pennywise jumped out of the closet to scare him when he yelled NO. He said, you probably got stuff to do here, I'll just go. Weird, but okay.


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[Assistant] What happened the next morning? He pulled into my mom's driveway and grandpa's truck in all its glory.


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[Assistant] Have I mentioned yet that my sister was in the hospital today ready to deliver my first nephew? I didn't? Well she was. And we're on our way now in this weird ass truck.


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[Assistant] The hospital was in another town, about an hour away, and we had to take almost all back roads to get there. We were driving up a hill because duh, this is western Pennsylvania, when the truck runs out of gas. Another indication that I should have known what was going on. I don't think car lots fill the tanks for a test drive here, for any test drives here and there.


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[Assistant] I call my dad and he leaves the hospital to bring us some go-go juice.


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[Assistant] The bad feeling I had about stupid old Tyler and this whole situation was getting worse.


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[Assistant] We get on the road again and finally join my family at the hospital. After hours in the waiting room, we hear a wretched scream from the delivery room and boom, the first grandbaby in our family was born, my incredible nephew, Nicolai. Nicolai. Welcome Nicolai. Also the fact that the fugitive Tyler was just there for that. He was just there for that. What a great story. What a story. You're like, hey, my first nephew, a fugitive was there for that.


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[Assistant] In the excitement of the day and the new baby, we didn't get to celebrate my brother. My mom asked Tyler and I to stop and pick up a cake on our way home.


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[Assistant] I quickly ran into the grocery store and the only cake I could find was a Valentine's themed heart cake. Wow, that's weird. I know today is Valentine's day and my nephew was just born. Heartcake it is. We are all at the tail end of our drive. When I get a call from my mom, I answer, yellow. My mom in the most serious tone I've ever heard come out of her mouth. Where are you?


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[Assistant] Me jokingly, oh, you know, we're in Ohio somewhere. My mom, Ellie, where are you?


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[Assistant] Okay. So that was weird, right? I told Tyler about the weird call and he was strangely silent. We got them to the main intersection in town where you had two options to get to my house. Either go straight and take the first right or take a right at the intersection and go around the block that way.


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[Assistant] We were sitting at the red light for a few long moments, in silence, no traffic around, but a set of headlights in the post office parking lot.


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[Assistant] The post office was ahead of us, where we would turn onto my road. All of a sudden, Tyler turned on his right turn signal and turned. That's odd. Why did you go this way? I asked. Because I wanted to go this way. What a weirdo, I thought.


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[Assistant] As we pulled into the driveway, heart-shaped cake resting innocently on the floor, two sets of headlights pulling behind us. I said aloud, wow, it's pretty late for Tom's friends to be coming over.


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[Assistant] My brother was one of the popular kids and his friends were always coming to pick him up to go to a party here or there. That's what it had to be, right? Wrong.


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[Assistant] Very wrong. Oh no. The moment the truck was shifted into the park about 100 police came out of everywhere. I mean, everywhere.


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[Assistant] I looked through the windshield and saw the barrels of two shotguns pointing at us. On the driver's side of the truck was three officers with their handguns pointed at the truck.


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[Assistant] Two men also came from both cop cars behind us. I froze.


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[Assistant] I was more terrified than I had ever been in my short little 17 years. When people say their lives flash before their eyes, I now know what you mean. My only thought was, I'm going to jail because of this car stealing little twat.


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[Assistant] In an instant, the cops ripped open the driver's side door and yanked him to the ground, hitting his head on the corner of the door.


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[Assistant] I was bawling in the middle seat of this stupid truck with the driver's door wide open staring at the red and white frosted cake. Finally a young cop, probably the newbie, unlucky enough to have to deal with a historical girl, opened the passenger door and the sheepess said, you can get out now.


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[Assistant] Through tears that I can only compare to Niagara Falls sourcing from my eyeballs, I asked, can I bring the cake?


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[Assistant] With an unimpressed look and a slight roll of his eyes, he said, uh, sure.


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[Assistant] Why aren't I in handcuffs? Shouldn't they be calling me Bonnie and him Clyde? Is this a dream? Am I going to get tackled by an NFL linebacker sized police officer if I head towards the side door of the house? So again, I didn't move until I was told to do so.


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[Assistant] Tyler was in the back of the police car. That definitely wasn't one of my brother's friends coming to pick him up for a birthday celebration in the woods somewhere. And I was finally told I could go inside. Inside to my safe, quiet home.


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[Assistant] My mom and brothers were in the kitchen where I set the precious cake on the counter and without a word I went to my room. I need to be alone now. We didn't speak a word about what happened for years. Years!


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[Assistant] From what I understand, Tyler's dad told the police I didn't know anything. Looking back, I should have listened to the uneasy feeling I had about the whole situation, and I definitely shouldn't have ever let him stay at my house or duh, given him my address in the first place. Teenagers are so stupid.


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[Assistant] I'm sure there's lots of police work that went into this as well because before police hauled off the turd stain named Tyler, they told me that the US Marshals were looking for him. What? The fucking US Marshals. What slash who did I get involved with? The world may never know.


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[Assistant] He was saying how sorry he was and that he loved me, blah blah blah. Eventually I received a letter addressing another girl. The envelope was addressed to me, but the letter inside said, Dear someone else's name.


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[Assistant] The letter was asking about their daughter.


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[Assistant] My only hope is that the same people were monitoring the mail that day and saw it. I didn't think to look him up online until quite recently actually. He had many charges, including multiple burglary and burglary attempts.


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[Assistant] I forget what the others were, but they were all stupid and it's very scary to think that this guy was in our home and it was my fault.


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[Assistant] I hope you read this and your younger listeners remember not to let strangers into your home and don't be as despicably ignorant as I was. Things could have turned out much, much worse and that is true. It could have turned out a lot worse.


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[Assistant] Thank you ladies so much for all your hard work. I love you tons. You're BFF Ellie. Ellie. It's for, it's for me that you and your family didn't talk about this for years. I love that you just walked in.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't think we need to revisit this. And they said, okay. You guys just woke up the next morning and went about your lives. That's a family right there that would be like.


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[Assistant] Alright, we have our next listener tale, and I just have to say that I really love the ending of this one. The ending of this one, I got to read it ahead of time. It is phenomenal. It's great. Alright, so here goes. Okay, this one is from Ben, by the way.


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[Assistant] The music room was in our basement. Everyone was feeling really inspired that night. The run-on sentence of a song we were making lasted a couple hours and was so dynamic and full. I remember Adam saying some things that were so profound it felt like he was literally possessed by a dead philosopher.


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[Assistant] After blessing us with his spooky wisdom, Adam walked home and everyone, other than Kenny and I, went to bed. I slept on a twin bed in a small bedroom sandwiched between Ryan's room and a large living room. I had set up Kenny on the ground with a blanket and pillow just because my bed was too small to fit us both. My laptop was sitting open on a coffee table.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say that. Yeah, weird. Jinx. I stared at him blankly where he sat on the floor in the glow of my laptop screen. He said that he'd done it before once using a YouTube video. I laughed, but agreed to watch the video with him. You're like, sure. Sure, why not? There's YouTubes for everything.


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[Assistant] Outside my room was a long hallway and a bathroom directly in front of the door.


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[Assistant] My brother's room was directly across from Ryan's at the end of the hall. Britton lived under the living room next to a set of stairs that led to the music room, our porch, and the backyard.


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[Assistant] Although I had responded to Kenny like I was ready to make fun of him for the whole thing, the truth was, I was also scared. As soon as I said yes to allowing my consciousness to channel this being, I gulped like a cartoon mouse about to sneak past a sleeping cat. He navigated to the video that somehow wasn't buried in a dark corner of the web.


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[Assistant] But the whirring electronic noises behind the video made me feel a bit entranced, but I still looked away and scoffed to show Kenny I still wasn't buying it. I don't know about meth. I don't know about meth.


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[Assistant] The voice on the video started to get mushier and less pronounced and repeated seemingly random words from earlier on. It seemed like the person who made the video wanted it to appear hokey, like a science fiction movie from the 80s. Love that. The video voice repeated, enter, enter, enter now, now, now, now.


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[Assistant] This went on for a good 10 seconds. I would have reacted quicker, but I was just so shocked. When I finally recovered, I ran to the door and flung it open.


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[Assistant] I quietly checked on my roommates, but they were all still asleep in their rooms. There was no possible human way anyone could have twisted the doorknob and then hid that fast, even if they had ducked into the bathroom across the hall.


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[Assistant] Needless to say, I had a very, very hard time sleeping that night. I still feel shaken when I think about it, even though it happened well over a decade ago. That's because you met Ness.


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[Assistant] But with all of that being said, Hey Ruby!


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[Assistant] We're giving, we're giving a pause. Yes. This is a pause. This is a pause. Hopefully.


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[Assistant] All the way through, I don't know. Who knows? But again, like you said, having friends like that does tell you who you are as a person.


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[Assistant] All the stress. And drinking. And drinking. And drugs and all, all everything. I think she was at a, she had a mental break.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean that's what they're built to do. Literally. They're built to protect reputation.


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[Assistant] How horrifyingly that all ended up.


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[Assistant] Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. This is Morbid and I bit my lip.


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[Assistant] She done bit her lip, but it's okay. Actually it's bleeding, but. We, we all float on. Okay. I tried to sound like the song, but I just sounded cry cry.


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[Assistant] I like dipping mozzarella sticks. But not just in marinara. In fact, I don't dip them in marinara.


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[Assistant] I judged you before, and I shouldn't have, so I won't judge you about that. You shouldn't. Because there's many good dips in the world, as we are all aware. Yea, it does. I will dip a mozzarella stick in most of those dips. Just not marinara. And I got Caesar dressing today, and I said...


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[Assistant] If you like two things, try them together. Who knows? Might be a great thing. Yea, chocolate chip cookies were a mistake. So, that's food. There you go. With Ash and Elena. That's weird snack food.


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[Assistant] Obviously it's a tragic case because somebody loses their life, but it's the...


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[Assistant] Circumstances that lead up to that are very, very strange. And this is one that I've heard before, but...


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[Assistant] I gotta say, Dave did a really good job helping me find some new shit that I didn't know before. So, let's do it. Let's go. Today we're gonna be talking about the mysterious death of Christina Kettlewell.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna start at the very beginning, which is in 1925. Oh, love it. When Christine, Christina Cecilia, uhm, I believe it's Moken, was born on August 7th, 1925 in Toronto, Ontario.


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[Assistant] She was one of three girls born to parents Casimir and Mary. According to her sister Helen, the girls had a relatively ordinary upbringing.


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[Assistant] And she described Christina as, quote, a very nice girl. Everybody liked her.


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[Assistant] And just settled into a pretty normal routine. Just living life.


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[Assistant] It was around that time that Christina met 23 year old Ronald Berry.


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[Assistant] And he had immigrated to Canada from Italy years and years earlier.


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[Assistant] Hoping to establish himself in the construction industry.


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[Assistant] So he and Christina, they knew of each other, you know, they lived in the same neighborhood. They hit it off and they started seeing each other out and about socially.


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[Assistant] But Ronald insisted there was never anything romantic between them. They were just friends. Okay. He told a jury, he would later tell a jury in 1947, there was definitely no feelings between me and Christina. Everything was strictly on plain friendship basis.


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[Assistant] That's nice. Yea, you know, guys and gals being friends. Yea, no expectations, just friendship. Yea, Harry's wrong. Girls and guys can be friends. Hell yea. Have you ever seen that movie when Harry met Sally? Yea. I just saw it for the first time this year. Really? Yea, loved it. Wow. Fucking loved it.


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[Assistant] But the platonic relationship between Ronald and Christina was likely due to her interest in his best friend and roommate, Jack Kettlewell.


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[Assistant] Although he had recently enlisted in the Canadian Armed Forces in May of 1943, Jack and Christina began dating.


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[Assistant] And Ronald kind of acted as a proxy companion while Jack was stationed elsewhere during the war.


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[Assistant] Ronald said, I wrote to him steadily while overseas and definitely told him that as long as he was Christina's boyfriend, I took her to the odd, uh, odd dance and show. So he was like, I'll take care of her while you're gone. I'm taking care of you gal. We're holding down the fort back here.


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[Assistant] In July of 1946, while Jack was still stationed overseas, Christina went to Ronald and asked if she could borrow some money to buy something, she said. But she was very vague and very avoidant when he asked what exactly she wanted the money for.


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[Assistant] But he did trust her by that point, and he ended up giving her $2,000. Wow. Which, that's a lot of money. Sorry, I didn't do the conversion, I usually do.


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[Assistant] But they had an understanding that she was going to pay this money back.


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[Assistant] However, after a month had passed and she still hadn't returned the money,


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[Assistant] He pressed her for an explanation and was like, hey uhm, where's my money? But, according to Christina,


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[Assistant] And Christina explained that in April, she had gone to a church dance in Toronto, and after the dance she had been quote unquote criminally attacked.


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[Assistant] Now, Ronald was worried that Christina really was having thoughts of ending her life, if put in that position.


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[Assistant] So he agreed to keep her secret and he actually continued to lend her money.


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[Assistant] Now, he believed her story at first to some degree.


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[Assistant] But he definitely at the same time felt like some part of that seemed off and that she wasn't being entirely forthcoming. But still, he continued to keep the secret.


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[Assistant] Particularly from her boyfriend Jack, despite his growing concern internally.


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[Assistant] When Christina came to Ronald and Jack's apartment that they shared and she asked Ronald to speak privately. Hmm.


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[Assistant] And a separate room and out of the apartment itself, like they literally like left. With Jack there? Yea. Huh. So, and out of Jack's, uh, earshot.


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[Assistant] Christina handed Ronald an envelope that had $10,000 in cash inside of it in denominations of $50 and $100 bills. And when he was like, where did this come from? Like, how did you find the money to pay me back?


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[Assistant] She got really evasive and vague with him, and according to him, she said only that, quote, the persons that had been blackmailing her had agreed to help her.


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[Assistant] That's strange. Because why would five men attack you outside of a church event, steal money from you and then blackmail you and then decide to help you? Like what was the point of the blackmailing? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Now, Ronald thought the explanation like us seemed highly suspicious, but the moment he said that...


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[Assistant] Christina became very emotional, so he didn't press her any further, he said.


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[Assistant] And instead he asked that since she was going out already, would she mind depositing the money into his account because she worked at the bank. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] She said she would, and later she returned with his bank book, which indicated that the money had been deposited. So, clean. Very clean, yeaah. In the months following her death, because Christina does eventually die, unfortunately,


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[Assistant] Later, speaking to the jury during the coroner's inquest, one of the medical experts concisely and somewhat politely referred to her emotional stability


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[Assistant] Uh, as that of a quote, child who takes tantrums. Oh. Yeah. You don't want to be described as that. No.


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[Assistant] Uh, Christina's request to borrow money to pay off unnamed blackmailers for vague reasons were enough to give Ronald, uh, pause and even make him somewhat suspicious, but they were also part of a pattern of behavior


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[Assistant] That should have been more concerning to anybody who knew her. Yeaah. Like I know that was all clean in the end, but it's like...


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[Assistant] What happened there? Like I need to know what happened here, you can't just let it go. That's the thing. Now many of Christina's quote unquote tantrums it seems came from what sounds like a deep insecurity and fear