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[Assistant] Ron later found out that his wife Lily had passed away during the crash and was inconsolable for many reasons. One being that they had switched seats at one point before the crash, which I already knew and still that gave me chills all over my entire body.


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[Assistant] One of them had gone up to go to the bathroom and when whoever came back they switched seats.


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[Assistant] So in another part of the swamp, flight attendant Mercy Ruiz regained consciousness and found herself shivering and soaked with kerosene. She was completely unable to move because she had fractured her pelvis.


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[Assistant] Beverly Raposa, who knew they were going down, she survived the crash and she was laying nearby as Mercy looked over her to her and asked what happened. And Beverly told her we crashed.


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[Assistant] Now, while Beverly Raposa did what she could to make everybody around her comfortable in the immediate aftermath of the crash, the first of rescuers, Bud Markey, I believe it is, and his friend actually arrived on scene.


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[Assistant] He had been out that night on the swamp in his airboat. He was actually teaching his friend how to hunt frogs and he saw the bright flash of light when the plane hit.


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[Assistant] And actually ended up steering the boat in the direction of the crash to see if he could help anybody.


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[Assistant] And so he would travel a short distance and then cut the engine to listen for sound. But he was so afraid to run over any bodies that he would just like move a little bit at a time.


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[Assistant] Now finally, when you cut the engine for the fourth or fifth time,


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[Assistant] Now the first thing he heard when they reached the crash site was a man screaming, I can't hold my head up anymore.


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[Assistant] So Bud rushed over to where the voice was and jumped into the muddy water to pull the man out before he drowned. Cause this man was literally lying in the water just like trying to keep his head above. Trying not to drown. But he's exhausted. Ugh.


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[Assistant] So as he scanned the scene around him, all he could see in the light from his headlamp was just twisted metal and bodies everywhere.


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[Assistant] Decades later he said, I'm one person in the midst of all this. I'm no doctor. I didn't know what to do.


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[Assistant] This guy, Bud, is a fucking hero. He literally took all of that upon himself, and then secondly, when he hopped into the swamp because of the jet fuel, his legs started burning instantly.


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[Assistant] And he still managed to wade through the water and help whoever he could. And he's in there with like, alligators and shit. Alligators, snakes.


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[Assistant] Everything. Everything. And jet fuel. He said he ended up having to treat burns on his legs for the next week.


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[Assistant] Oh, and without him, the Coast Guard, it would have taken them even longer to get to where they were because where the landing area was for them was like far away from where the crash actually happened. So without the use of his airboat,


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[Assistant] The swamp had extinguished the fire and again, because there was no moon that night and then combined with the density of the forest, it obscured the location where the plane had crashed.


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[Assistant] So Petty Officer Don Schneck told reporters,


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[Assistant] But fortunately, Bud, a true fucking hero here,


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[Assistant] Ended up waving them in the direction of a nearby levee where they were able to land. And he ended up transporting them over to the crash site.


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[Assistant] Now, while the first responders started making their way around the scene of the accident, flight attendants Beverly Raposa and Pat Georgia gathered those survivors who could move, and the group began singing Christmas carols.


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[Assistant] Passenger Martin Simonero told reporters after they'd been rescued, it was nice. People controlled themselves very well. I've seen movies about this sort of thing, but it was nothing like this.


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[Assistant] So while ground crews worked to locate the survivors, additional helicopters ended up flying overhead to provide light while the crews worked.


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[Assistant] They would put that person on Bud's airboat.


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[Assistant] And then take them to land where they could then be transported to the nearest hospital.


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[Assistant] One of the first survivors discovered who was still sitting in the cockpit was Captain Robert Loft.


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[Assistant] He was not in good condition though. He had lacerations all over him. And it was clear to one of the first responders, Schneck, that he had broken ribs as well.


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[Assistant] And Schneck looked at him and said, like, hold on, there's more people coming. But Captain Loft told him, I'm gonna die.


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[Assistant] Don Repo also survived the crash and was taken to the hospital, but he later passed in the hospital due to his injuries.


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[Assistant] So rescuers were just watching in horror as several locals descended upon the scene. They had made their way to the site and began looting the bodies. I'm sorry, what?


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[Assistant] And started looting the bodies. Schneck told reporters, I saw them taking watches and things from dead people. But what can you do? We were there trying to help their survivors and get them out of there.


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[Assistant] So they couldn't even stop them because they were like, we have to just deal with the surviving members here.


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[Assistant] Florida man established 1972.


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[Assistant] Bleak. That's unlike anything I've ever heard. Shit. So crews worked through the night to locate the living and slowly move them out of the swamp. They had been instructed by the FAA to leave the dead and focus only on the living for the time being. But at first, telling the living from the dead was difficult, so the process was moving slowly.


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[Assistant] Eventually and very unfortunately, the bodies of those who had passed away began to sink under the water. And those who were still living were able to be identified and rescued more easily once that started happening, which is just horrific.


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[Assistant] By the next morning, rescue workers had found all 77 survivors. Wow. 77 people. Damn. Survived, which is wild. And in the days that followed a new crew was brought in to find the bodies of those who had not been so fortunate.


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[Assistant] Now those who had survived were still hospitalized and then learned that they actually may have gotten a life-threatening infection from the very mud that had clogged their wounds in the swamp and saved them.


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[Assistant] Holy shit. So it turned out that eight of the survivors who had, uh, it turned out that eight of the survivors had been infected with this. One of whom was Ron Infantino who had lost his wife Lily.


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[Assistant] He was told that if doctors couldn't locate a hyperbaric chamber for the gangrene to be treated they would have to amputate his arm.


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[Assistant] Was feeling inconsolable from losing his wife, switched seats with her, so was blaming himself, and then was told, we might have to amputate your arm.


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[Assistant] And once he was transported there, he spent 40 hours in the chamber.


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[Assistant] Where, and what happens when you have this particular infection is that they put you in a hyperbaric chamber.


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[Assistant] And they put pressurized oxygen into the chamber and that's the only way to kill this bacteria.


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[Assistant] Imagine surviving a plane crash, having every, all of what I just mentioned happen, and then have to be put into a chamber that is somewhat reminiscent of a plane after crashing one day earlier. Talk about traumatic. I can't even. Wow. But luckily, his arm was able to be saved.


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[Assistant] Now, just weeks after the crash, the National Transportation Safety Board, NTSB, began its investigation to determine the crash, the cause of the crash, sorry, and what, if any, measures could be taken to avoid anything similar happening, like to avoid any similar catastrophes.


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[Assistant] Now at the time, this was the first ever quote unquote jumbo jet to crash.


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[Assistant] So there was a lot of pressure on these investigators to find out exactly what happened.


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[Assistant] So based on the radio communications with the flight crew and the moments leading up to the crash, investigators knew that they were having a problem with the landing gear.


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[Assistant] So they reviewed the black box data, but that indicated that the aircraft was working properly. There was nothing wrong with the landing gear.


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[Assistant] According to the report, the aircraft power plants, airframes, electrical and pilot static instruments, flight controls, and hydraulic and electrical systems were not factors contributing to this incident. And that is directly from the NTSB.


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[Assistant] Now, having ruled out mechanical failure in Acts of God, investigators were left with only one other cause. Operator error.


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[Assistant] So during the investigation, the NTSB reviewed the autopsies and the medical histories of two members of the flight crew who had died in the crash at this point.


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[Assistant] Don Repo's autopsy and history turned up really nothing significant.


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[Assistant] But the postmortem examination of Captain Loft did show that there was actually a tumor in his cranial cavity, which the medical examiner noted quote,


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[Assistant] Well, we're not so sure because then it kind of gets tipped on its head.


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[Assistant] So given the pathologist's findings, the NTSB investigators, they did theorize that Captain Loft's vision could be impaired to the extent that he didn't notice the changes to the ult, uh,


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[Assistant] However, that theory was quickly dismissed when interviews with friends, family, and coworkers reported no noticeable symptoms of impaired vision.


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[Assistant] Or difficulty performing his duties as a pilot before this.


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[Assistant] And then even the pathologist acknowledged that the type of tumor they had found typically presented itself in a very slow onset, giving the person ample time to adapt and compensate for any changes. So then they said it was unlikely to be the cause.


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[Assistant] So after months of investigation, the NTSB came to the conclusion that


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[Assistant] The crash of flight 401 was the result of a confluence of highly unusual occurrences and errors that could ultimately be chalked up to lack of vigilance among the flight crew, sadly.


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[Assistant] And the following were all taken into consideration and this is from, uh, NTSB.


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[Assistant] So one, the approach and landing routine was interrupted by abnormal gear indication. So that's the light. The autopilot was engaged to reduce workload, but positive delegation of aircraft control was not accomplished.


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[Assistant] The plane can fly itself, but the plane is not meant to fly itself.


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[Assistant] Exactly. They did find out after that there were certain issues with the autopilot on these particular jets because it was so new. But they also found that pilots in previous flights on this particular jet


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[Assistant] The nose gear position light lens assembly was removed and re, uh, incorrectly reinstalled.


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[Assistant] The captain divided his attention between attempts to help the first officer and orders to the other crew members to try other approaches to the problem.


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[Assistant] And finally, the flight crew devoted approximately four minutes to the distraction with minimal regard for the other flight requirements.


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[Assistant] Now in more simple terms, essentially, and I think we've made it pretty clear, the flight crew was so preoccupied with the failure of the nose gear indicator light and didn't notice when without realizing it.


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[Assistant] Now the second thing that investigators did want to look into, because maybe it could be of help,


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[Assistant] Was the relatively high survival rate of the passengers.


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[Assistant] The crash of flight 401 was and still is, like I said, one of the worst air disasters to ever occur in the US. And it did result in total loss of this particular aircraft.


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[Assistant] But it was still surprising to investigators that nearly half of the passengers lived, and many of them suffered relatively minor injuries.


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[Assistant] Now investigators couldn't say with 100% certainty,


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[Assistant] But they theorize that the larger section of the, uh,


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[Assistant] Mid fuselage, I believe is how you say it. Mhm. That's where most of the survivors were seated. It managed to stay intact, quote, until the velocity was considerably reduced or until these sections came to a stop. Wow. So people seated in that section sustained way fewer injuries than those in other sections where the aircraft broke apart.


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[Assistant] Now, investigators also believed that the relatively new design of the seat, which quote, incorporated energy absorbers into the support structure, could also explain the high number of survivors.


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[Assistant] A lot I think went into it. I also think because the plane had been descending for so long. Yea, it wasn't as high. It didn't fall from like 2,000 feet in the sky abruptly into the ground. It did fall abruptly. It was dropping.


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[Assistant] Now after the release of the NTSB's report on the investigation, many survivors and family members of those who had not survived did file lawsuits against Eastern Air. I would have done the exact same thing. They eventually paid out more than $50 million in damages. That would be about $361 million today.


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[Assistant] Now, the tragedy of Flight 401 was almost immediately incorporated into Florida's folklore. But what is surprising is actually that the supernatural phenomenon around this case started happening even before the flight had taken off. Ah.


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[Assistant] According to local Florida writer Greg Jenkins, one of the flight attendants who was actually scheduled to work on flight 401 started having nightmares and what she believed were psychic visions of the catastrophic crash in early December. Wow. Now during these nightmares, quote, she heard sobbing and crying and echoing in her head.


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[Assistant] And eventually her dreams became so strong and vivid that she started telling her friends and her colleagues about them. She said that she was completely convinced, quote,


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[Assistant] So on December 29th, there was a last minute change in crew schedules, and that resulted in several flight attendants being put on this particular flight at the last minute.


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[Assistant] And three of them, including this particular woman who had these premonitions about the accident, ended up declining the shift.


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[Assistant] Wow. Because she had talked to them and they were so freaked out about her dreams and visions. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] And the woman who had been having these nightmares, she actually didn't work at all that night because she was so scared.


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[Assistant] The next day when she learned of the crash, she said all the visions and the dreams made sense. The Christmas presents, the holiday wreaths, and the apparition she had seen of quote, hands stretched outward, then disappearing forever with muffled screams.


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[Assistant] That's literally how the last body was found. A hand stretched upward.


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[Assistant] According to author Greg Jenkins, who wrote Florida's ghostly legends and haunted folklore,


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[Assistant] The first report of an apparition associated with Flight 401, which are quite frequent, uh, were quite frequent afterwards, the first one was from Eastern Air's own vice president.


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[Assistant] But Eastern Airlines was adamant that they never recycled any parts for new aircraft. Okay.


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[Assistant] Okay, also Eastern Airlines doesn't exist anymore. So whatever. But still, same kind of plane and same route.


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[Assistant] And when he finally did look back, the Vice President first noticed quote, the sad, pale face before realizing he was staring at none other than the late Captain Robert Loft. Oh, fuck.


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[Assistant] He said he quote, got the feeling one gets when discovering a dead body or seeing a ghost. And he said, just seconds later, this vision of Loft literally evaporated right before his eyes.


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[Assistant] And it freaked him out so badly that he actually hopped out of his seat and alerted the flight attendant even went out to the ticket agency to see who had been seated next to him on the flight.


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[Assistant] It, it looked like he was probably looking out the window at them doing their, like, before takeoff routines, making sure everybody was getting it right. Cause remember, same fucking flight. Ooh, my whole body is chillin'. Wild. Now according to Fuller, additional sightings of Loft followed soon after, most often on flights from JFK to Miami, for obvious reasons.


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[Assistant] There were actually so many sightings that allegedly Eastern Airlines warned their employees not to speak about it. Wow. They started happening so frequently.


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[Assistant] Now, while Captain Loft was, like I said, a frequently reported sighting on Eastern flights, before long there were other ghosts reported, including that of Second Officer Donald Repo.


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[Assistant] In one instance, a passenger traveling on Eastern Air Flight 318, which was also an L-1011 aircraft.


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[Assistant] And she said she noticed that this man sitting next to her looked pale and sickly, so she actually asked him if he was alright.


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[Assistant] But the man did not respond to her and just kept looking straight ahead.


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[Assistant] By the time the flight attendant arrived, the man next to her had simply disappeared.


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[Assistant] The flight attendant asked the woman if she wanted to look over some recent photos of Eastern Air employees, cause she's like, who did you see?


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[Assistant] And the woman agreed and eventually they came across a group photo of Eastern pilots and one of those pilots the woman pointed to and she said that was the man sitting next to me, that was absolutely him. And the flight attendant and the woman were both stunned.


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[Assistant] The man that she had pointed to was Second Officer Donald Repo.


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[Assistant] This story is insane. Wow. Now strangely in the years that passed, and remember this previous thing happened on flight 318,


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[Assistant] In one instance, a crew of Marriott caterers loaded food into the gallery and left. That's what they were doing. And then they all left the plane abruptly and refused to get back on board. And the flight crew was like, what is going on?


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[Assistant] And they quote, told them that they saw a flight engineer standing in the galley who instantly disappeared right before their eyes.


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[Assistant] Then on another flight from New York to Miami, while the aircraft was flying over the Everglades, a male voice came over the PA and announced that they'd be landing soon, instructing everyone to fasten their safety belts.


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[Assistant] Now later, one of the crew members said they hadn't recognized the voice.


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[Assistant] But it was discovered that none of the flight crew had made that announcement.


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[Assistant] Holy shit. And remember, they were most likely flying over the Everglades on the flight that crashed when...


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[Assistant] Now as time passed, there were more and more sightings, most often of Loft or Repo, but also unusual circumstances that eventually led a lot of people to wonder if Flight 401 was like a jinxed number.


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[Assistant] This became a source of serious speculation in 1980 when Eastern Air Flight 401 from New York to Miami was hijacked.


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[Assistant] So reports of supernatural phenomena related to Flight 401, they were vague, but they did happen quite frequently. Most of the time it was people spotting Loft or Repo in a crowd, but in other cases,


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[Assistant] And warned him to watch out for fire on his plane. Ooh.


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[Assistant] A few days later, there was a small fire in the cockpit of the plane. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] Similarly, Rebo again appeared to a different Eastern employee and informed the navigator, quote, there will never be another crash on a tri-star. We will not let that happen. Before disappearing, I just got chills.


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[Assistant] And according to Jenkins, this was the last reported sighting of Donald Repo.


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[Assistant] His book, The Ghost Flight of 401, was published just four years after the crash, and he purports to tell, quote, the supernatural aftermath more awful than the crash. But not everybody was so enthusiastic about his particular publication, and those critics became


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[Assistant] Even more vocal a few years later, when the book was adapted into a TV movie of the same name, starring Kim Basinger and Ernest Borgnein.


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[Assistant] They never took any formal steps to shut down Fuller's book or stop any rumors from spreading.


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[Assistant] They said absolutely not. Alleged. Now the rumors obviously could have negatively affected Eastern's business. And like I said earlier, they were adamant that they did not do this. But I also don't really know how they could have because a lot of the plane was destroyed.


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[Assistant] There were certain things that did survive and actually, when the investigation took place, people were so shocked that they had been preserved so beautifully, but, uh, who am I to say? Who knows?


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[Assistant] Who among us? So now, more than 50 years later, a lot of the survivors from Flight 401 have sadly passed away. And in 2022, the remaining survivors actually fundraised and lobbied the state until they received the approval to install a memorial on Curtis Parkway in Miami Springs, which lists the names of the dead.


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[Assistant] Uh, you will probably be happy to hear that Eastern Airlines did close their doors forever in 1991 because they did fail to keep up with new competitors who were offering lower rates. No, that's okay.


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[Assistant] Don Repo and Captain Loft there can rest in peace and not have to worry about.


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[Assistant] And just to hear, like, it was all of those things, but I love the highlights of just people coming together and taking care of each other in such a tragedy.


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[Assistant] It's such a tragic story, but it's also so beautiful in the end when you hear that they were like, we're never gonna let this happen again. But then also so tragic that


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[Assistant] It's a wild story, but we're gonna get a little more haunted and


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[Assistant] That is. Yea, this is, that's this. Still gotta finish that. You know she probably like showed one of them her ankle or something and they were like, oh, they're fucking. That's exact. And they were like, oh.


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[Assistant] No he didn't though, cause he never even paid for her eggs. That's true. So fuck him.


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[Assistant] No, I think I believe in fey and shit. Yeah. So like, let's go.


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[Assistant] For Joanna, I'm going back because I'm like, oh no. Because she couldn't have stood up to the men. Like they would have just beaten her down too.


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[Assistant] And I bet because she answered when they wanted her originally to say, you're the wife of Michael Cleary, she said, I'm the daughter of, and of her father.


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[Assistant] And that in and of itself is so telling. That one almost forced into a fire, she still


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[Assistant] I mean, Jack there, for lack of a better term, added fuel to the fire physically and theoretically.


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[Assistant] Things we don't know that happened behind closed doors before her death.


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[Assistant] At first, preferably, but do what you want because I support all of you. But the cool thing about this one, besides being able to put it wherever you want, is there's a sneak peek.


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[Assistant] Festering. Like, it feels like a swear word. It has a nice, like, uh, to it, cause you're like, you're a festering fuckhead. Uncle.


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[Assistant] I mean, the guy that carved his name or his initials into the Coliseum just got arrested today. Good. Man, don't carve your fucking name in the Coliseum. Yeah, that's so rude. That's the rudest. So rude.


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[Assistant] So glad that was taken care of. We learned yesterday, this is not a fun fact, but I think we all should be aware because I think it's gonna like, it's gonna like change how we live our daily lives.


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[Assistant] Yesterday, we're just on the phone with my grandma, by the way, as this happened. Just like, shootin' the shit with calf. And Elena holds up a TikTok to me, like, without the sound, and it said,


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[Assistant] So like, the sun may have just exploded, knock on wood that it didn't, god forbid and all that jazz.


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[Assistant] If the sun explodes and I'm at, I love you guys, but if the sun explodes and I'm at work and I don't know for eight minutes, I'll be so bummed. Yeah. Like wherever I go next. Yeah. It's true. I think the only place that I would want to be is with Drew Drew. With Drew Drew. Yeah. And like, and like you guys and the girls. Absolutely. Extessential thinking.


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[Assistant] Hope so. Wow, that starts us off. What a way to begin. So I did want to, before we get into today's case, I just wanted to give a trigger warning. There is one, I mean the whole


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[Assistant] A big theme in this case is domestic violence, but there's one spot in this and I'll give you a trigger warning like before I get into it when we do start telling the story, but at the top of the show there is, uh, like a section where kids are involved.


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[Assistant] Just quickly, and I brush, I like brush over it pretty quickly, cause, you know, that's not...


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[Assistant] Something we like to get too far into. Yeah. Uhm, but just know that that's like a quick part of it. Okay. No children die. Okay. That's good. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But we're gonna get into it, okay? Alright. And, uh, so yeaah, trigger warning for domestic violence and like family violence. Okay. So we're gonna start on a happier note. And we're gonna be talking about, uh, Jennifer Corbin.


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[Assistant] Jennifer Monique Barber, before she was Jennifer Corbin, her maiden name was Barber, she was born on January 25th, 1971 in Kentucky to Max and Narda Barber. She was the second of their three children.


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[Assistant] And not too long after she was born, the family all up and moved to Lawrenceville, Georgia. Uh, it's like a suburb about 30 miles outside of Atlanta. Okay.


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[Assistant] And when asked about her family, Jennifer's sister Heather said, our family was just so incredibly close. Like a really tight-knit family.


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[Assistant] So when she was younger, Jennifer, they always said, was like the most grounded of the three barber girls. Her sister Heather said she was just one of those people that made you feel good. She always told you, she always told you what you needed to hear, but somehow in a gentle way.


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[Assistant] And friends and family remembered Jennifer as being this like really adventurous, friendly kid, she loved to be outside, and she was super fearless when it came to risk taking. She was not afraid of anything.


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[Assistant] Now by the time she reached high school, she had made like a ton of friends, she had a really big social circle, she was really popular.


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[Assistant] Her friend Matthew Jenkins remembered her from school and said she was one of a kind, a very caring person that always had a kind word and a shoulder to lean on.


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[Assistant] Now outside of school, she had a job at a place called Calico Jacks, which was a local restaurant.


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[Assistant] She worked there for years and everyone there, customers and coworkers alike, they all loved her.


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[Assistant] So after she graduated from Central Gwinnett High School, Jennifer decided that she wanted to move to Savannah and her goal was going to be studying photography at Savannah's College of Art. Okay.


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[Assistant] No, at first it was like really fun and she could see herself making a career of photography.


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[Assistant] But after two years, her love of it kinda dwindled a bit. Yeah. And it wasn't necessarily something that she saw as the right path anymore. Okay. So she was like, you know what, I'm gonna move back home and kinda figure things out. So she headed back to Lawrenceville.


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[Assistant] At that point she wasn't really sure what she wanted to do, so in the meantime she got a job as a server at Barnacles, an oyster club, or an oyster bar in Duluth, Georgia.


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[Assistant] I can think of so many, like, people that I've worked with over the years. Like, you can always pick out that one person from a job that you're like, ah, she was awesome. Like, he was great. It's so true.


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[Assistant] The couple that owned the restaurant actually, Bob and Suzanne Corbin, they liked her so much.


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[Assistant] That they were discussing between the two of them what a great match she would be for their son Bart.


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[Assistant] He's a little older than you. There was a seven year age difference. Okay. And he's a dentist. So he's got this great job. He's this handsome guy. He's my son. So I love him. I think you'll love him. Good teeth. Good teeth. You know, you'll have good teeth. Everybody will have good teeth. You have free braces. There you go. Let's go. So


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[Assistant] They introduced the two of them, the parents introduced Jennifer and Bart, and apparently when they met they did hit it off because before long they were officially an item, they were dating.


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[Assistant] Now, in the summer of 1996, just a few months into their relationship, they decided to have a little romantic getaway and, uh, Bart took Jennifer on a trip to Italy.


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[Assistant] Now, it must have been wildly romantic, because a couple weeks after they got home, Jennifer found out that she was pregnant. Oh!


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[Assistant] Now even though they weren't necessarily prepared to be parents at that point in time, the surprise of the pregnancy wasn't unwelcome. It was like a happy surprise. It was a happy surprise.


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[Assistant] And Bart's parents weren't old fashioned in the way that they were gonna put pressure on him to marry Jennifer now that she was pregnant.


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[Assistant] And actually on his own, Bart decided that marrying Jennifer...


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[Assistant] And you know, kind of uniting as a family would be the right thing to do and that's what he wanted to do. Okay. So he proposed to Jennifer.


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[Assistant] Well his sister-in-law, so like literally not even his sister, Edwina,


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[Assistant] She didn't necessarily agree with the decision to make the proposal, which like, not your fucking business. I was just gonna say, and why is it your business? Yeah. And she told the author of The Doctor's Wife, great reference on this case, uh, the author is John Glatt, and Edwina told him, Like, okay, Edwina. Number one,


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[Assistant] Liked him from the second they met him, like he was a very charming person. They said he was funny, he was smart, he was really personable, like easy to have a conversation with.


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[Assistant] The, uh, Jennifer's father Max said, Bart's a very funny person. He's got a very quick wit and people are drawn to that. Huh.


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[Assistant] So, so far in their marriage, so good, right? Yeaah. Now in March of 1997, uh, Jennifer and Bart had their son, their first son together named Dalton.


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[Assistant] And from the outside, it seemed like they were thriving. They were putting on the picture of like, happy newlyweds, they've got this new healthy baby,


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[Assistant] Bart's business is doing really well, and they were always off doing something together. They liked to volunteer, they rode their mountain bikes together, they traveled, it was all ideal. And Jennifer was a really, really good mom. Everybody said that.


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[Assistant] Her sister said she was born to be a mom. And when she became a mom, she did it 110. She became Miss PTA, the SUV driving, baseball toting super mom. Oh, I love that. Goals.


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[Assistant] And I love that her sister was like, she was a fucking fantastic. That means she was an amazing sister. Exactly. But unfortunately, the view that the outside world was getting of Jennifer and Bart and their marriage was mostly a facade. And in reality, there were some serious red flags being waved in the air.


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[Assistant] For one thing, Bart had a very, very explosive temper. That's always bad. That could be triggered in an instant. Uh, Jennifer's father told NBC he had a temper that could snap in a second and it seemed to be getting worse.


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[Assistant] Interesting that you say that, like when you bring kids into it, changes things. Yup. Not long after Dalton was born, their friends and family started to notice that


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[Assistant] Bart had a tendency to lose it and start yelling at Jennifer over really trivial things.


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[Assistant] Like, if he felt that she had done something wrong, he wouldn't let it go. And he'd keep poking, keep poking, keep poking. And like, in front of people, like, embarrass her. Yeah, and if somebody's doing that in front of people? Yeah. Yeah. Not okay.


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[Assistant] In the early years of the marriage, Jennifer never complained about it to any of her friends, she just kinda like...


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[Assistant] But there was not a lot that they could do. And they were just trying to support their friend and their family member.


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[Assistant] No, just one year after Dalton was born, Jennifer became pregnant again.


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[Assistant] And in January of 1999, she gave birth to their second baby, Dylan. Dalton and Dylan. So cute.


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[Assistant] And at that point they had really outgrown their house, so they started looking for a new one and they ended up finding it in Buford, Atlanta. It's like a ritzy suburb.


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[Assistant] They moved into that new house just days after Jennifer had given birth. Wow. I feel like that tells you a little bit of what you need to know.


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[Assistant] I don't know why she didn't, wasn't allowed time to rest. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Now, for the most part in the years that followed Dylan's birth, their second kid,


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[Assistant] Jennifer and Bart, they tried to keep up with that role of the happy family. They spent weekends and summers on their boat at Lake Lanier. Oh, gasp.


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[Assistant] Eek. I know, right? And they were known to host big parties for friends and family at their, like, their main home in Buford. And it was all really nice for a while, but eventually the excitement of the new home, the new baby, faded, and the cracks in really what we should refer to as Bart's facade started to show again. Now Dalton was five at this point, and he was going to a private school.


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[Assistant] And at this point, Bart started really pu- like pushing both of his sons to be more physically active.


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[Assistant] The two of them at four and five played basketball, took swimming lessons, martial arts lessons, and Dalton added playing bass, uh, baseball.


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[Assistant] First outside of school and then on the school's little league team into the mix of all of that.


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[Assistant] That many things, right. You're supposed to be trying like, like one or two things at a time, you know?


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[Assistant] Exactly, that's the thing. And they're, and when they're that young, they're like at an age where they're learning how to be a teammate and how to, like the rules of each game. Exactly, like the basic stuff. Yeaah. But again, Bar always took it to a place it didn't need to go to. And


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[Assistant] Because they were involved in so many sports, I think he kind of saw this as an opportunity to be more involved in those sports.


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[Assistant] And in 2002, he decided that he was going to, uh, coach Dalton's little league team. Okay. Now at that point, Dalton was six or seven.


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[Assistant] And of course was on a team with fellow six and seven year olds. Of course. But Bart had ridiculously high standards and would lose it on Dalton and the other kids.


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[Assistant] Anytime one of them failed to live up to those expectations. I can't imagine being that kind of adult. No, me either.


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[Assistant] And this is kind of where we're gonna get into like a little bit of the yucky stuff, so just so you know. Okay. It's so mean and it makes me like really sad.


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[Assistant] No business being around kids. No. And the thing that got me about like that neighbor saying he gave them hell and it didn't matter who was around. If you're comfortable doing what you're doing in front of people. What are you doing behind doors? Exactly. So if you can imagine if that's what was going on in front of people. That's awful. It was worse behind closed doors. And again getting into a yuckier part here.


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[Assistant] I don't want to get super far into it and if you want to learn like more about this specific instance or the case overall.


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[Assistant] I do recommend the book that I mentioned earlier, The Doctor's Wife by John Glatt, but Bart was worse at home.


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[Assistant] Jennifer's sisters witnessed him not only name calling Jennifer, but the kids as well.


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[Assistant] Told his grandfather, uh, Jennifer's father, that after a game where he struck out, his father lost it on him in public and then hit him after the game.


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[Assistant] What a piece of shit. For stri- like, striking out in a little league game. You're a piece of shit. There's never, in my opinion, at least, an excuse to hit your child. Yeah, that's how I feel, but- But over a fucking baseball game you hit your kid, like-


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[Assistant] And I don't ever want my kids to be afraid of me. Some people think like, oh, you know, like, I think we mentioned it in one of the episodes earlier.


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[Assistant] Well because then that only teaches them that when they lose they're cool, the right thing to do is to apologize.


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[Assistant] Apologize, like, we gotta be on the same thing here. Yeah, I feel like the old kinda school parenting is like, do as I say, not as I do. Exactly. And the new parenting is like, let me lead by example. Yeah, like, let's be, let's be like,


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[Assistant] And you should feel like you are part of the process and that you can talk to me. Right. And sadly I don't think these kids felt that way with their father at least. That always makes me so sad.


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[Assistant] Jennifer, on the other hand, she didn't outwardly challenge or oppose Bart's preferred methods of discipline, I guess you could call them. But she did very much try to balance it out by being super, super loving and super supportive of the boys. I'm glad they had that. Like championing them, you know? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now, it must have been very, very difficult to have your home life be like that, and then have to put on the facade of like, we're this big happy family in public, you know? Like, we are


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[Assistant] Prim and proper, yeaah. And it sounds like despite how things appeared to those on the outsides,


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[Assistant] On the outside, excuse me, Jennifer and Bart's marriage had been steadily disintegrating for a while. I don't know why I said disintegrating, but I did. Emphasis on different syllables. You know, and by the fall, I don't know, I was trying to put a different emphasis on that.


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[Assistant] Not working though, as I'm sure you can imagine. I was just gonna say. He and his office manager, legit named Jennifer Garner.


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[Assistant] Whoa. Actually made Jennifer Garner. Also like, wow. They were carrying on what she described as an office affair. So he was having an affair on his wife, Jennifer, with his secretary, Jennifer. There's many reasons why this


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[Assistant] And also, girl, he's married with two kids. She knew. Like, don't, both of you are real shitty for that. Exactly. She said, after the last patient of the day, they would make love in his office and then go their separate ways. Precious. Truly. I'm like, that really did it for you? So romantic. But anyway.


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[Assistant] With Bart spending more time out of the house and the kids being a bit older and not needing like constant attention, you know, Jennifer found new ways to entertain herself. And in early 2004, she bought a PlayStation.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Massive multiplayer online game. Shout out to Mikey. Mikey. You rock. Never changed. Oh, and it's like a fantasy? Yeah. Kinda thing? Yeah.


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[Assistant] So she got really, really quickly immersed in that, and I can see why, because it's a fantasy game. Oh, hell yea. You know, you're kind of like creating this, this separate world that is so different from the world that you're living in right now. Yeah. So while the kids were off at school or at one of their various activities or, you know, Bart was at work being a cheating asshole, Jennifer would spend hours at home playing Everquest. Okay.


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[Assistant] And over time she kind of started getting more and more withdrawn from real life.


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[Assistant] Edwina on the scene to read again said there really was a marked difference. Jen had lost a lot of weight, was dressing more sloppily than before, and was not looking after the house like she used to.


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[Assistant] You're really just shitting on her over and over and over again. I think what you meant to say, Edwina, was there was a marked difference. We were concerned about her. Yeah. She wasn't herself. Yeah. Like, she wasn't taking care of the house. Not like, like, go fuck yourself. Sorry. God.


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[Assistant] But before long, Jennifer, she started skipping out on family functions and gatherings, and people were starting to notice, and they were getting concerned.


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[Assistant] And if that wasn't a strong enough indicator that the things in the marriage weren't going very well, then her own words would make things explicitly clear.


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[Assistant] Early that summer, Jennifer confronted Bart for the first time and told him she was considering leaving him and that she wanted to take the boys with her.


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[Assistant] And she said like, this is something I've been thinking about for a while now.


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[Assistant] So of course completely furious with that and needing to keep control on his side. Yeah. Bart suggested that they go to counseling together. Okay. Which I'm like, you're actively cheating on her right now?


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[Assistant] And in the months that followed, she became more and more intentional about distancing herself from Bart. She started sleeping in a different bedroom in the house and quote, began separating her and Bart's possessions, apparently preparing to move out.


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[Assistant] And it takes a lot to get to that point too, which is like really sad that-


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[Assistant] I mean, it was beautiful. I welcome it. I just feel bad. But yeah, for anybody who has to deal with this part of it. Yeah. Now, according to Jennifer's friend and neighbor, Kelly,


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[Assistant] Jennifer had told her husband that she wanted to separate and find a new place for her and her boys, like I just said. Now at first, again, like I just said, Bart was mad.


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[Assistant] But eventually he kind of seemed to accept the fact that this marriage was over.


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[Assistant] But he had no intention of supporting Jennifer financially if that was the case. Fuck you. And because of that, in the fall of 2004 she ended up getting a job.


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[Assistant] As a preschool teacher at the Sugar Hill Methodist Church, where both of her boys had also gone to preschool. Okay.


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[Assistant] Now, she had something to occupy her time during the day, which was great.


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[Assistant] So throughout most of that fall, Jennifer, you know, pursued the online relationship with this Christopher and she really, really wanted to meet in real life.


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[Assistant] But Christopher seemed reluctant to take things into the real world, which we all know as the beginning of a MTV TV show. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Now this was confusing for Jennifer because within just a couple months of meeting online, they had exchanged almost a thousand emails. Wow. And she was fully convinced that this Christopher was the love of her life. Wow. So by November 2004, the online affair with Chris completely consumed Jennifer's thoughts. And on November 12th, that would come to a screeching halt.


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[Assistant] Because Chris confided in Jennifer that he felt like their relationship had gotten out of control and he told her that he needed to admit something to her.


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[Assistant] Chris was not a tall handsome man like she'd been told.


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[Assistant] And there actually was no Chris. I'm sure we kind of all saw this coming. The person that Jennifer had been messaging was really a woman named Anita from Missouri.


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[Assistant] Anita was super, super apologetic and she explained that she was in a really shitty, unsatisfying marriage. Her home life was kinda similar to Jennifer's in the sense that she wasn't fulfilled. Oh, this is just so sad. It's really sad. In every way. And she was using the Chris profile to explore her interest in women.


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[Assistant] Because anything that becomes that much of an escape is not necessarily healthy, I don't think.


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[Assistant] But Anita did say that she really truly had fallen in love with Jennifer and she actually hoped to continue their relationship. So over the course of a couple months, like a


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[Assistant] Of Jennifer knowing Chris, she had invested a lot into the relationship and the vision in her head that she had was her escaping this marriage.


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[Assistant] And starting over with her boys and someone she loved, this Chris person. So when she got the news that it was actually Anita,


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[Assistant] So she emailed Anita and said, I just can't take this. I even fell in love with the name Chris. I just don't know how you could do this to me. I trusted you with everything in me. Which is really sad.


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[Assistant] But after a few days, the feelings of, you know, shock and betrayal, they kind of subsided and Jennifer seemed to have forgiven Anita.


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[Assistant] Wow. Yeah, like a really big person in my opinion. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So from there, the relationship actually kind of got back on track. Wow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Emails got, you know, increasingly explicit again, and now there were real discussions about meeting in person soon.


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[Assistant] Cause honestly that's how I feel, like I know that like people identify like as the L, the G, the B, T, Q and all of that.


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[Assistant] I kinda just am like a person that loves people. Like I feel that. Exactly. You know? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, uhm, so Jennifer's online relationship, you know, maybe got back on track, but in the meantime, her real world and her relationship with Bart was worse than it had ever been before.


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[Assistant] As the family, uhm, this is a serious warning for the domestic violence right here. Trigger warning.


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[Assistant] As the family was driving home from Jennifer's parents house after Thanksgiving dinner, Jennifer had to make a stop at a grocery store.


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[Assistant] Had completely caught on to the fact that Jennifer was having an affair, like something in him, probably the fact that he was also carrying out an affair. That'll do it. Like, game see game, I guess. Exactly. So, he had this like, sinking feeling, and he used the opportunity to search through the car for evidence of this affair he knew that she was having.


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[Assistant] So he started screaming in her face and she started crying and begging him not to be so aggressive because the kids were in the backseat.


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[Assistant] And suddenly he punched her in the face. In front of those children? While she was driving in front of both kids. She almost lost control of the car, but luckily managed to get home without getting in a serious accident.


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[Assistant] But as soon as they did get home, Bart jumped into his own car and just took off.


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[Assistant] I'm really good, never come back, bye. Yeah, unfortunately he does. He left Jennifer just having been beaten, essentially.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the only problem with that was that Jennifer was worried.


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[Assistant] Bart would know that she'd gone to her parents' house and he would show up there, and she didn't want that happening.


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[Assistant] So instead she took the boys to her sister's house. Now, just moments after she made the arrangements for her sister, with her sister and like explained everything that was happening,


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[Assistant] Heather, the sister, her cell phone started to ring, and it was Bart calling.


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[Assistant] And she answered the phone and heard the frantic sound of him making excuses. He told her, whatever she says, it's a lie. I didn't hit her and she can't prove anything.


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[Assistant] So, the thing was, he realized that he had fucked up, obviously. I don't think he cared on an emotional level.


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[Assistant] He cared in the way that he didn't want to get in trouble and cared in the way that he had a business that he didn't want to be affected by all of this. Yea, of course. So don't hit people in the face then. Yea, that's the answer to that.


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[Assistant] So now he knew the divorce was completely inevitable. He accepted that the marriage was over, but he was very, very worried about his reputation.


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[Assistant] And of course, as a man used to having full control over every fucking aspect of his life,


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[Assistant] He was determined to do whatever he could to protect himself and prevent Jennifer from going to the police. Whatever he could.


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[Assistant] So on the morning of December 4th, 2004.


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[Assistant] Are you fucking kidding me? What I will say is, luckily they didn't see it happen.


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[Assistant] They knew it happened, but they didn't see it when it happened.


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[Assistant] So she stepped foot in the house just as the younger son was walking out of his parents bedroom crying. And Kelly looked in to see that Jennifer, this is a horrifying scene, she was laying on the bed dressed only in a nightgown and there was a very large hole in the back of her head.


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[Assistant] They had seen everything. They had seen everything except it happened when it happened.


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[Assistant] Gwinnett County police officers arrived, uh, at 8.01 a.m., just a couple minutes after Kelly called, and they made their way inside the Corbin house. And, you know, they found Jennifer just as Kelly had described to them when she met them at the front door. Jennifer was lying on her side.


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[Assistant] There was that gunshot wound to the back of her head and the revolver was next to her body, but it was slightly covered by the sheet of the bed.


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[Assistant] And scattered across the bed in front of her were divorce papers that had been served to her on- or seemed to have been served to her on behalf of Bart Corbin. So he was trying to make it look like- Very clearly. Yeah.


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[Assistant] The officers in the room, they had never been trained to jump to conclusions, obviously.


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[Assistant] But the scene in the bedroom told them a pretty simple story at that point of


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[Assistant] A wife who had become despondent at the thought of being divorced by her husband and took her own life.


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[Assistant] That's what a glance told them. But at Kelly's house across the street, Kelly's husband Steve remembered


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[Assistant] That Bart had planned to go away for that weekend, and he had left the night before.


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[Assistant] But he didn't know the number to wherever Bart had gone and he couldn't remember like exactly where he had said he was going, so he had no way of reaching him.


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[Assistant] So, he called Bart's parents' house and he spoke to Bart's father, Bob, and he was like, somebody needs to pick up the kids. Like, I don't know what to do here. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Creepy. Now despite how the scene appeared at a glance, investigators had more than one reason to be skeptical that Jennifer had taken her own life.


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[Assistant] First, there was Dalton's statement to Kelly that his father had shot his mother.


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[Assistant] Then there was also the fact that just a couple days earlier, on December 1st, Jennifer called 911 to report that she and Bart had been in another fight, and he'd stolen her phone and a few other belongings and left the house.


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[Assistant] There were reports from Jennifer's family to the police about the domestic violence and the assault that occurred on Thanksgiving.


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[Assistant] They did report that. Jennifer's father told NBC, I knew that she was dead and I knew that somebody did it.


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[Assistant] He probably, like I can't imagine. And it's like they probably were seeing this play out in real time and they were just dreading this kind of call. It's like your worst nightmare has come to fruition.


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[Assistant] Among those people at the scene was Senior Assistant District Attorney Tom Davis, and he immediately was like, this place is suspicious as fuck, and all of this is a little too obvious. Yeah, the divorce papers strewn out in front of her, like, come on.


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[Assistant] Tucked under a sheet. If she had shot herself, that would have meant that she would have had to slip the gun under that sheet. Before falling over. After having shot herself. In the back of the head. Exactly. Yeah. Not possible. No.


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[Assistant] Didn't know if I had to throw that in there. Yeah, just in case you were wondering. But then there were the divorce papers themselves. I don't know if you caught what I said earlier. They seemed like they had been served to her. This is fucking wild. As investigators were processing this scene,


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[Assistant] A Gwyneth Sher- Gwyneth Sheriff's Deputy, unaware of what was going on at that point.


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[Assistant] Arrived at the house to serve Jennifer divorce papers. These were fake papers? Yup.


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[Assistant] This fucking idiot. They hadn't even been served yet. Are you kidding me? Like how did you-


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[Assistant] Classic narcissist though, it wasn't I'm gonna murder my wife, it was I'm gonna murder my wife and stage it like a suicide and I'm so smart, so why would anybody ever question me? It's like, wow, I'm glad they're so dumb.


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[Assistant] In that sense, because it's like they always get caught.


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[Assistant] Fuck. So the investigators are sitting there and they're like,


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[Assistant] Well how would she be distraught over divorce papers that she hadn't been served yet? Yeaah. Like these are not real, clearly. That's the universe intervening right there. Right? That was, when I got to that point I was like, whaaat? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] But a better question, where the fuck was Bart Corbin? Yea? Nobody knew where he was at this point. And it took hours trying to locate him.


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[Assistant] But detectives were finally able to get in touch with his brother, Bobby, a little after 11am.


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[Assistant] Now Bobby told Detective Marcus Head, you can understand my brother is pretty upset and anxious right now.


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[Assistant] Now the detective returned to Max Barber, Jennifer's father, who had been at the scene all morning tending to the kids and like,


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[Assistant] So the detective goes over to him and explains, you know, I talked to Bart's brother and they're on their way to pick up the kids, which I don't know why.


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[Assistant] That was allowed. Why would Bart's family be able to, like no. I don't quite understand that. That shouldn't have been allowed. Like that alone must have been shocking to Max.


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[Assistant] Jesus. So they told Max that Bart and Bobby would be there in about 15 to 20 minutes.


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[Assistant] Max waited there for three hours and Bart never showed and never called. Of course not. Three? He didn't give a shit about his kids. No, he doesn't care. No.


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[Assistant] I mean, any normal parent, I can imagine it's wildly hard to picture this.


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[Assistant] He actually was in fact consulting with his divorce lawyer, Patricia O'Kelly, asking her for lawyer recommendations, excuse me, on a criminal matter.


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[Assistant] So she suggested that he contact Peters, Roberts, uh, Borsig and Rubin and that was a,


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[Assistant] Decouter, sorry. Based law firm specializing in criminal law. And by noon that day...


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[Assistant] Did someone say that? But honestly, who knows? It kinda sounds like Bart was just like, he surrounded himself with a lot of yes people.


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[Assistant] It turned out that Tom Davis's suspicions were pretty accurate.


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[Assistant] And the most telling piece of evidence was actually the position of her nightgown. It had slid at some point, exposing one of her breasts, and the technicians believed that that couldn't have happened.


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[Assistant] After she had, as she had slumped over after a gunshot. Like it didn't make sense. And instead it was their belief that it happened when somebody pulled her body in an upright,


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[Assistant] Like, pulled her body upright into like a half sitting position on the bed. Oh god. That's when it happened.


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[Assistant] And to add to that, which I was like, wow Bart, you're a fucking idiot.


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[Assistant] One of the straps on her nightgown had slid down past her shoulder.


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[Assistant] Her body was discovered with her upper body slightly twisted in a way that couldn't have happened after she had just shot herself.


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[Assistant] I'm glad he's stupid. Yeah. So they were like, okay, clearly somebody repositioned her body here. Like this is a homicide. Now that was all just what the naked eye could see.


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[Assistant] But further tests conducted at the scene also quickly disproved this suicide theory. There were no fingerprints on the gun.


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[Assistant] Wow. So whoever had used the gun had wiped it down afterwards. Which was obviously Jennifer. Yeah, totally. Clearly. After life, I guess.


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[Assistant] There was also no gunpowder or residue on either of her hands, which was noted as very difficult with that particular gun. Yea. And lastly, the angle at which she would have had to handle the gun.


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[Assistant] In order for the bullet to enter as it had into her head made it physically impossible. She couldn't have gotten into that position to help to hold that gun in that way.


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[Assistant] So while detect- er, excuse me, while technicians dealt with all of that, Detective Head and his team started talking to family members and neighbours to find out more about their marriage.


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[Assistant] And they started by talking to Dalton Corbin, the oldest son. A seven year old.


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[Assistant] Detective head asked the boy, or he was a little older than seven at this point, like a couple years had gone by, but still young.


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[Assistant] In his interview with Dalton, Detective Head asked the boy why he told Kelly that his dad had shot his mom. He's like, why'd you say that? Like, you know, he's gotta start off kinda.


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[Assistant] But given his father's explosive temper and frightening violent behavior, especially toward his mother lately,


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[Assistant] You're a failure. Fucking failure. Absolutely. Ugh. So his, uh, Dalton's explanation to detect, to detective heads, excuse me, echoed other family members' claims that Bart had, you know, been very abusive and very violent in the very recent past, but it was actually Steve, Kelly's husband, his statement that actually confirmed investigators' suspicions. Now,


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[Assistant] Kelly and Steve told detectives that Bart was supposed to have gone away to visit his brother the afternoon before Jennifer had been found.


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[Assistant] Okay. And he wasn't supposed to come home until the day after, which gave him an alibi. Yeah. Now...


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[Assistant] Steve told those same detectives though that Steve himself had gotten home much later than he usually did the night before Jennifer's body had been found.


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[Assistant] He got home sometime after 1.30am.


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[Assistant] And he was awake and heard a truck pull into the Corbin's driveway around 2am. That was unusual, so he poked his head out the window.


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[Assistant] And he saw the brake lights of Bart's truck illuminated in the driveway. And he was like, oh, I guess like he didn't, you know, he must have come back. Like that's crazy.


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[Assistant] And about 15 minutes later, the truck sped away from the Corbin house, quote, in a great hurry.


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[Assistant] So having collected statements from the most important people at the scene, the only person investigators at this point were really fucking eager to talk to was Bart Corbin. But, I'm sure this is going to come as a shock to all, he was being very uncooperative. Oh, what?


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[Assistant] Detective Head tried one last time to reach Bart and did it by calling Bobby Corbin.


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[Assistant] And Bobby told the detective that Bart had retained a criminal defense lawyer and the lawyer had advised him against talking to detectives. So he would not be coming down to talk to them.


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[Assistant] Wow, you're all pieces of shit. So right now there wasn't a ton that they could do because they didn't have necessarily anything pinning him to the crime, but they were going to start looking.


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[Assistant] Because between the statements taken from friends and family and his continued refusal to speak to investigators, he was starting to look like a very strong suspect.


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[Assistant] And suspicions only grew stronger when they started digging into his background.


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[Assistant] In part two. I knew it. I know, I don't think I actually told you at the beginning of this that it was going to be a tupada, but it is.


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[Assistant] All of us here, like everybody at Universal was just walking around, like super happy, like having probably like one of the best times ever. And then this horrible thing was just happening. Life was just imploding. It's just like really, it's like woof to think about. It's creepy. Yeah. Oh man.


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[Assistant] This is morbid! Oh my god, we're in a silly goofy mood today. We are. It's Monday. It's Monday.


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[Assistant] And like, the way that he terrorized her, he literally kidnapped her and held her hostage.


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[Assistant] No, these people are fucked and you know they're not making any like written reports of this because at this point this guy would have had a stack like 3 inches thick.


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[Assistant] Al is a little hard to follow, I guess. Truly.


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[Assistant] I also kind of love the irony that she became a jewelry maker. That is kind of fun. That's fun. That is fun. Also imagine if your mom was Pearl Lusk and she just whips that one out at the dinner table like, she's like, I shot a lady by accident.


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[Assistant] You wanna hear that one kids? You wanna hear that story? I'd be like, yeah I do. She's like, you have a grandma pearl? Two truths and a lie? Like hell yeah I do. Damn.


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[Assistant] There's also one of her later where she's like all dolled up, uhm.


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[Assistant] And she's got like fancy like shoes and stuff on, she looks great.


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[Assistant] Wild, for sure. Truly wild. Oh my gosh, Olga is a fucking queen. She really is. Look at that hair! She truly is. Wow, she's gorgeous.


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[Assistant] And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you carry anything, uh, for anyone, especially if it's a Christmas package, just so you know.


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[Assistant] Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alaina. And this, right here, what you're listening to in your fucking ear meat is... Morbid.


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[Assistant] If you want to eat a salad, but you want a lot of dressing, I see a lot of girlies on TikTok being like, no, don't put the dressing on it because that will ruin the purpose of eating sat- no. It doesn't ruin the purpose.


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[Assistant] Woah. Woah. Can I tell you why I thought of you the other day? Why? I saw, do you ever see those things on Instagram and it's like, uhm, like, like,


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[Assistant] If you invite this person to a party and they're late, you win like several million dollars. Who do you invite?


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[Assistant] Every single time, it's like, gun to your head.


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[Assistant] But I don't like phone calls, so. But you're reliable, in a weird way. I appreciate that. You're welcome. I didn't want anyone to think that I was like full-blown insulting you. No, that's cool.


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[Assistant] Crazy at birthday parties. No one knows what it means, but it's provocative.


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[Assistant] She like solved her own shit. You know that song that's on TikTok right now where it's like, uh, uh, uh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then they got murdered. Like, oh my god.


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[Assistant] Also, sorry, didn't he work at the hospital with her? Yea. So this fucker, like, do Remi and, uhm, doctor, uhm, the doc- And Alan?


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[Assistant] So he was like, this is pretty wild, but like how are we gonna get a search warrant?


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[Assistant] Also like cool, she got fired from her job, she has all these personal problems, she made this up.


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[Assistant] That doesn't make any fucking sense that they were just like, yeah, I guess we'll just throw the murder off the table.


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[Assistant] I know. Tarzee does the baddest bitch alive and the baddest bitch in the afterlife also. And good for the Chua's.


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[Assistant] But what do we not know because that doesn't make any sense. Like in my opinion it really sucks because justice wasn't served.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I not only hope that he gets haunted for the rest of his life, I hope everybody involved in that deal also got haunted. Haunt them, Teresita. Teresita, you know what, but no, you know what, if that's what you want to do, go ahead, but like, live your afterlife.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and with that being said, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it.


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[Assistant] I liked that. It was kinda like the song where it's like, it's nine in the afternoon.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, it's so funny cause I went to, I was gonna start singing with you and then I was like,


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[Assistant] Will she say at night or evening? And then as you're about to say it, I was like, she's going to say evening. See you knew. I didn't join in. You knew. I didn't trust my goot.


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[Assistant] No. That's because we're intuitive witches. We are. Obviously.


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[Assistant] It solidified every single thing that I have been feeling and that I know you've been feeling and I cried at the end.


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[Assistant] I just wanted to cry. You did, you cried. I was, she burst right into tears and she had good reason cause that reading was wild. It was crazy. And the fact that it ended with like a tarot card that's like really super special to me is even crazier.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was a happy thing. Uhm, this is a sad thing. It's so tough to like transition. I know, whenever like, hey guys!


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[Assistant] I love that, and I love all of them, and it's Gemini season, so like, shout out to them, that's why we drink. If you don't listen to them, you must live under a rock, and you should move that rock and go listen to them. Yeah, go listen to them, they're great. Honestly. But uhm, yeah, I do have a really sad case for us today, uhm,


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[Assistant] But at the same time, the way that this case turns around is crazy.


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[Assistant] And it like feels very fateful. Okay. In my opinion. Alright. So we're gonna start off in late November of 1989. Okay. When college freshman Mandy Stavick was returning to her hometown of Acme, Washington, she was gonna celebrate the holidays with her family.


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[Assistant] And on the afternoon of the 24th, obviously, which was back then, er, back then.


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[Assistant] In that year, it was the day after Thanksgiving, Mandy told her family that she was going for a run.


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[Assistant] But she never returned that evening. Her mom became very, very concerned and called around to her friends, but literally none of those friends had heard from her.


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[Assistant] Amanda Mandy Teresa Stavick was born on April 16th, 1971 in Anchorage, Alaska. Ooh. Which is, that's just like the most fun fact ever. Also, if you look her up. Gorgeous.


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[Assistant] And she just seems, and like I'm obviously gonna get into it, she just seems like a cool chick.


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[Assistant] And somebody who not only would have, but desperately wanted to leave her mark on this world. And she did. Yeah. But.


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[Assistant] I wish she had more of an opportunity to be in this world longer because she would have done absolutely incredible things, like truly.


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[Assistant] But yea, she was born in Anchorage, Alaska, one of four children born to parents Glenn and Mary Staubach. Uhm.


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[Assistant] The Stavik family wasn't a dysfunctional family at all, but by the time Mandy was born,


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[Assistant] Glenn and Mary's marriage was kind of showing signs of strain.


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[Assistant] And they decided to divorce three years later in 1974.


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[Assistant] It really sadly seemed to be one unfortunate event in their family.


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[Assistant] That kind of set off a series of unfortunate events.


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[Assistant] I feel like everybody kinda knows that family that has gone through so much more than their fair share of what they should have to. There's always that one family that you're like, why? And it's always the best


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[Assistant] Why are they like, shouldering all this shit? And every time they go through something, you're like, have they not gone through enough already? Yeah, when does it end? Oh my god.


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[Assistant] And that's the thing, the Stavick seemed to be one of those families, because just one year after Glenn and Mary divorced, Mandy's 16-year-old brother Brent


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[Assistant] As far as the circumstances they've never found any clues or any reason for the murder.


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[Assistant] A few years later, like a number of years later in, uh, 1988, Mandy's stepbrother Spencer also died in an accidental drowning case. What? Yup. Oh, this family. It's, it's a lot.


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[Assistant] So I think, I don't know, I don't know really like what sparked the decision, but part of me wonders if Mandy's mom was like, you know what, I think we need a new area, a fresh start. And that's when they decided in 1983 to move the family from Alaska to Acme, Washington. And that's how they ended up there.


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[Assistant] Now other than the tragedy and some of the disruptions like the move and the divorce,


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[Assistant] Mandy's childhood was pretty typical, like aside from all the fucking craziness. Like the tragedy.


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[Assistant] She was described as being smart, confident, and driven in ways that were just like not common among children. Her mom said of her, Mandy has always liked to be involved in people's lives, even as a tiny baby. Whatever was going on, there she was.


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[Assistant] And she said that level of self-confidence sometimes rubbed people the wrong way.


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[Assistant] But more often than not, it got Mandy the respect and affection of those around her, not only in school, but in her community.


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[Assistant] 100%. And you know what? I don't think Mandy was one of those people. I think she was like, I am who I am.


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[Assistant] What are you, what's your tattoo? What's my, it's only forever.


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[Assistant] Be confident, be happy. Take a, take a page out of Mandy's book. That's right. Because listen, by the time she reached high school, her tenacity and her determination and her just like sense of self was paying off.


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[Assistant] She became a star on not one sport team, multiple sports teams. Hell yea. She played varsity basketball, softball, she did track, she did cross country, I checked, those are different, different seasons. And she did cheerleading. Wow. Because at first I was like she did track and cross country, cross country, aren't those the same? And then I was like.


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[Assistant] And so she played all of those sports, but she actually had trouble with basketball when she first started. And the first time she tried out for the high school team, she actually didn't make it.


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[Assistant] And her mother said that she was absolutely devastated by that.


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[Assistant] But she spent a ton of time working on it. She went to a basketball camp that summer to, to hone in on her skills, you know.


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[Assistant] And sure enough, made the fucking team the next year. That's my girl, Mandy. That is my girl.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine what she would have offered the world.


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[Assistant] She had decided actually that she really wanted to become a commercial pilot.


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[Assistant] She was like, yea, I just want to fly planes. I just want to fly through the sky. That's just what I want to do. I've said it before, I'll say it again, pilots.


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[Assistant] So yea, she wanted to be a pilot and that was her full intention when she enrolled at Central Washington University in the fall of 89.


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[Assistant] However, she changed her mind after doing a couple of flights when she was like, you know what, I actually don't think flying is my favorite thing in the world. Okay, she tried it. Exactly. And she did a hard switch and changed her major to nutrition.


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[Assistant] Damn, that is a hard switch. Just a hard switch, but I feel like it's, she's so multi-faceted. I was going to say, she seems very like just, she likes a lot of things and she's good at a lot of things. Like she can play any sport. Hit it all. She can do great in school every semester. She can volunteer at the YMCA. She can also be a daycare worker.


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[Assistant] Really impressive. Exactly. And her mom said it wasn't really the field of study that like mattered the most, but that quote, what Mandy wanted more than anything else was to leave the world a little bit better of a place. That hurts my heart.


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[Assistant] So on November 22nd, 1989, Mandy and her roommate from school, Yoko, they caught a ride with Mandy's ex-boyfriend Rick Sender. I think it sounded like they were still on pretty good terms.


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[Assistant] Back to Mandy's mom's house in Acme, Washington for Thanksgiving breaker.


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[Assistant] But once Mandy and Yoko had settled in at Mandy's house,


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[Assistant] They headed to the gym at Mount Baker High School so that Mandy could meet up with some of her friends, some of her old teammates, and just kind of like, you know, your home for Thanksgiving. That's the first thing you do is you want to see your old friends.


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[Assistant] So like I said, next day was Thanksgiving and Mandy Yoko, uh, excuse me, Mandy Ann Yoko spent the whole day with Mandy's family, never left the house, just had a nice Thanksgiving.


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[Assistant] Now the next day, Friday, November 24th, Mandy and Yoko had a lazy morning, hung around the house, of course they had some leftovers, we love Thanksgiving leftovers. They went for a short walk.


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[Assistant] And later that night they had plans to go to a movie with a couple of Mandy's friends from high school. Brad Gorham and his friend Tom Bass.


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[Assistant] So she decided to go for a run a little earlier than she usually would've. Like she was a runner, she loved to run.


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[Assistant] Now, so she headed out a little after 2pm that afternoon.


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[Assistant] From what I saw the most, it was anywhere between two and three that afternoon.


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[Assistant] Now, and, uh, the family dog was Kira. Which is a great safety precaution. Totally, 100%.


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[Assistant] So Mandy and Kira headed west on Strand Road, which was the same way that Mandy always started her run. She had literally been doing this exact route since high school.


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[Assistant] Now, about an hour later, Mandy's brother Lee and his friends saw her running back up Strand Road, just about 5 or 10 minutes away from their house. So it kinda seemed like she was finishing up the run.


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[Assistant] But when Lee got home, just a little bit after that, there was no sign of Mandy and no sign of Kira.


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[Assistant] But a few hours passed, and at that point, Mary, Mandy's mom, started to panic. She was like, something's not right here, like she would, she would not do this.


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[Assistant] Even weirder because, like I said, she'd specifically gone out on this run early.


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[Assistant] She and Lee went out in her car to retrace Mandy's usual route.


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[Assistant] But they came back a short time later because they still, there was no sign of Mandy.


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[Assistant] I can't even imagine like being in this situation and then this happens. Haunting, absolutely haunting.


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[Assistant] And she was looking, she didn't look herself, like she looked afraid of something, something had affected her.


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[Assistant] She was described as cowering and she had her, this is a quote, tail tucked and with river silt covering part of her hindquarters.


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[Assistant] They were like, what? Like why is she dirty and what is she, like something bad happened? She's scared. Oh no, this is horrifying. It's terrifying.


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[Assistant] So at this point now, Mary is freaking out.


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[Assistant] And at that point, Brad Gorham, Tom Bass, and Rick Zender had all shown up at the house to pick up Mandy and Yoko for their movie night. Yeaah. They had no idea. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] So they all headed out one more time to retrace her route.


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[Assistant] Check a couple other places, still no sign of her. So Mary did end up calling the police a little after 5.30pm that night to report her daughter missing.


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[Assistant] I can't. No, I can't even put myself there. It's horrible. You just want to hug these parents so much. And it's just like, I feel like this story in particular is such a good example of how fast


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[Assistant] But the thing is, luckily, especially for it being the time that it was, luckily the sheriff's department actually took Mary's concerns seriously. And they weren't like, oh, she's just a runaway. Yea, cause that's infuriating.


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[Assistant] And they immediately engaged Whatcom County search and rescue and Alan Pratt, who worked with them. And Alan Pratt was actually known as a human tracker.


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[Assistant] He had like a rep for finding people. Imagine being known for that. That would be an honor. So he got information from the family about the usual running route and he went out to track Mandy's movements and he did this until he came up to a spot about a quarter mile away from the Stavik house.


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[Assistant] And he noticed quote, a disturbed spot on the shoulder of the road.


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[Assistant] And as far as he could tell, quote, there were several footfalls which looked like somebody had been walking or wrestling around or something.


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[Assistant] I hate this. This was unsettling. Yeah, I was just going to say I feel very unsettled by this. Yeah. And he also noticed in this area, the grass along the side of the road seemed to have also been disturbed.


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[Assistant] And there was good amount of river silt discovered in the ditch by the grass.


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[Assistant] Just like the kind that was on Kira's bum.


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[Assistant] Based on the scene and the fact that obviously there's still no word from Mandy by the next day, the police changed the status of the case from missing person to presumed abducted.


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[Assistant] So by Saturday afternoon, there was a massive search for Mandy. It seemed like the entire town of Acme had joined the search. There were people on foot, people looking out on horseback.


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[Assistant] There were search and rescue teams flying above the area, people were in planes, helicopters, like you name the mode of transportation or anything, people were there looking.


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[Assistant] Now, and then also, uh, district superintendent William Bolton added, this is a very level-headed kid. Something here is not right. Ugh. And that's the thing, like,


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[Assistant] And like her roommate from school is at the house with her, like if she wasn't, you know what I mean? She wasn't taken off. No. So her disappearance...


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[Assistant] It was extra disheartening for the small community of Whatcom County because


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[Assistant] Just four months earlier, 23-year-old Diane Reeves had also disappeared without a trace.


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[Assistant] Police found her car on a forest service road about 14 miles away, but no sign of Diane.


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[Assistant] And before Mandy went missing, Diane was the latest woman in a string of four or five disappearances or murders that occurred in the area.


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[Assistant] So now residents were seriously concerned for their safety and their children's safety. One resident named Donna Bolton, she commented, you just don't think of something happening like that around here.


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[Assistant] And Mary Stavick agreed saying, this is just the kind of quiet rural neighborhood where any of us would never think that our children wouldn't be safe. That's always the worst. Like it's a quiet town and nothing ever happens. It's like you just can't


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[Assistant] These predators know that it's a quiet town where nothing ever happens. So they're not going to be suspected in this town. People aren't being extra vigilant because they don't have to be. Exactly.


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[Assistant] As we know, Mandy had gone missing Friday afternoon. Full blown search by Saturday.


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[Assistant] Like all day Saturday and by Saturday night the search upgraded to what Whatcom County Sheriff.


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[Assistant] The search efforts would eventually include a mounted Whatcom County Sheriff's posse, a U.S. Customs airplane, a U.S. Border Patrol agent, and several scent dogs. Wow. Like, they were looking for her.


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[Assistant] But by Sunday, they still had not found Mandy, still had not found even a clue as to where she could be.


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[Assistant] But by Sunday, the sheriff's department announced unless new developments occur, no further ground searches planned because they had


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[Assistant] So while search teams worked the river, the Stavik family turned to the media to plea, to make a plea to Mandy's kidnappers. Mary told everyone tuning in, Mandy is a real special person. She's one of these people who wants to leave the world a better place. The world needs her. Whoever's got her, don't hurt her. We need her back. She's got things to do.


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[Assistant] Ugh. Like I've read that a million times and I have chills still. I was just gonna say goosebumps. Just like, please don't hurt her, we need her, she's got things to do. Ugh, ugh, that just keeps, that gives me full chills. It's just, it's gut wrenching.


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[Assistant] So with the days passing and literally not a single update in the case, the community was feeling not only fear, but helpless. Like they want to help this family and they can't, they're unable to. So they decided to direct their energy because they could help, you know, toward collecting donations for a reward fund.


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[Assistant] And in less than 24 hours, less than a full day, they had raised over $8,000. Oh my god. And it was comprised mostly of donations ranging from $10 to $50. Wow. So that's how many people were willing to put in some cash. That tells you something. And the funds organizer, Jim Kyle,


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[Assistant] Mary was starting to lose hope at this point as the investigation's going on.


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[Assistant] And on the second full day of searching, she told reporters earlier today, I felt really strongly that she was okay. Now I don't know.


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[Assistant] Now, any kind of hope that anybody had was unfortunately shattered on the morning of November 27th. Mandy's body was discovered on a sandbar in the Nooksack River. It was about three and a half miles from where she was last seen jogging. Wow. Which was very, very close to her home.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she was found completely nude, which is awful.