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[Assistant] I feel like that might be it. Maybe it just depends who you ask. Like you can't please everyone. No you can't. I mean if you asked like about me you'd get a lot of different viewpoints. I would say she's grand. She's grand. But like I'm sure Micah is like dealing with the same fate. I mean at one point Micah, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, he does something that like, you really can't argue with saying he's kind of a shitty person, but like, we'll get there.


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[Assistant] So one thing that was not disputed by anyone was the fact that he may not have been the best all around farmer or all around human, but he had the greatest and most beautiful


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[Assistant] And thriving apple orchard in the galaxy. The galaxy? The galaxy. This one? Yup, and the next. And the next. Oh, we don't know about that. No, we know. We know there is not.


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[Assistant] They were all in a neat line, all the trees and they had white blossoms and every fall they would all pop out and he would sell them all. They would pop off. They would just pop off.


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[Assistant] And everybody would just like lug them away because they were so giant and amazing. I love it. And one night in December...


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[Assistant] On his farm. So everything's going great for Micah. He's just selling these apples. He's like, I may not be great at this other farming, but you better believe I can give you an apple.


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[Assistant] So one night in December, a salesman came through the area.


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[Assistant] And he was like those kind of salesmen, like the one in Sabrina the Teenage Witch, I can always bring it back there. Always. Uh, when that salesman comes through the linen closet portal and sells Sabrina a tomorrow ball against Terence's wishes. Mmm. That one.


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[Assistant] Uh, he, just like that. He had everything. Even tomorrow balls? He had tomorrow balls. And he was a regular in that area, so he had told a ton, he had told, sold a ton that week, and he had a lot of cash on him.


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[Assistant] So in those days, this was risky business. If you just listen to our episode with Red Handed, um, about the, uh, about Lavinia Fisher, you know that being a highway man or a highway woman was like an actual thing back then.


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[Assistant] And any salesperson or merchant that was walking around with tons of cash was just like a giant bullseye on their head. I mean...


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[Assistant] It's risky, risky business. So the risk of being robbed or worse was really high, but he was known there. So he felt safe. He had been there before.


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[Assistant] And no one is really sure how, but he ended up going inside the house. Okay. He must have been invited, something happened. He liked apples, he wanted to get some. But then he went missing.


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[Assistant] Uh, no one knew where he went. He never returned home. Search parties went out.


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[Assistant] And then there was a tip that came in saying that somebody had seen him in the Rude Farm area. They searched the property. The salesman was found. They found him.


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[Assistant] I can tell by the look in your eye that Batman's was. They found him. He was buried under an apple tree with his head shattered open and all of his money gone. Okay, that's not quite what I was expecting, but damn. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So even though this guy was found buried under an apple tree with his head smashed open. Yea, and all his money gone. There was really nothing that could tie it directly to Micah.


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[Assistant] The apples. That's that. It was the apples. So he was just kinda let go and spring came, his trees thrived again. Wow. But one tree.


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[Assistant] It was the tree the body of the salesman was found under, and it came back with bright red blossoms. And remember, I said he would get these bright white blossoms everywhere. As if that wasn't strange enough, once harvest time came at the end of the summer,


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[Assistant] Huge yellow apples grew and when they were cut open, they contained a red circle in the center that looked like a stain of blood.


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[Assistant] Do not eat those apples. All the apples on that one tree had this and no others in the orchard did. That's strange. Like a totally different kind of apples. And after this, so he found this and he knew.


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[Assistant] So after this he started to lose it. He was suddenly- It's like the telltale heart. It is, it's very much like that. So everybody said his-


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[Assistant] He never came into town and people near his farm said he would just scream late into the night alone and pace around and around all evening. I want to start doing that like just to see what people do. Just to see if people are like, she just screams at night alone. Maybe that would be a cool legacy. Yeah, I think it would.


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[Assistant] But he wouldn't eat or tend to his farm and everything just completely died. He let everything go. But that one tree? Everything except that red apple tree. Oh my god. Every season it came back even though he didn't tend to it.


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[Assistant] There is a story in Legends, Lore, and Secrets of New England by Thomas DiAgostino and Arlene Nicholson, and it says he told a few townspeople that he was being haunted by a ghost.


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[Assistant] And he said that it attacked him anytime he tried to work on his farm.


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[Assistant] So people think it was the ghost of the salesman back for revenge. And it also says there's a story of one season, a young boy stealing apples from that red tree.


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[Assistant] And when Micah caught him, he told him to take the entire tree of apples because he was so frightened of it. And he wanted them gone. He was like, just take them all.


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[Assistant] It's insane. So he continued to deteriorate, and at the end of his life, the townspeople believed he had either been falsely accused of murdering the salesman, which that is a possibility, and that the body had been placed under the tree by someone, you know, the killer to frame him.


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[Assistant] I don't know, cause it sounds like Micah, like, wasn't a bad guy. You know, so it is a little strange that he would suddenly lash out. Right. You know, but I don't know. That tree was definitely the symbol of whatever had happened here.


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[Assistant] And they, the people of the town did come together when he became too frail to take care of himself in his old age and they paid two shillings to volunteers to watch over him for two days at a time.


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[Assistant] So to me it feels like the community kinda believed he didn't do it and that he was falsely accused. I don't think they would be going through this trouble if they thought he just killed.


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[Assistant] And he ended up dying in December of 1728 looking over that red apple tree. He was sitting in his chair looking out over it. That's so sad. What's crazier?


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[Assistant] And people took pieces of the branches and tried to replicate the apples, but they never could.


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[Assistant] And there are some legends that say there are traces of red in some of these strains though. And especially in the Franklin, Connecticut area. That's so interesting. And they would call them like Mike's apples or Micah's apples. I want to go apple picking next year.


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[Assistant] It's called The Curse of Micah Rood and it's from 2014 and it's about this whole story. Oh shit. Yeah. So.


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[Assistant] There is a curse in the apples. If you find the apple, I don't know exactly what happens to you that you can't say. I think it was more Micah's curse than anybody else's. But I don't know. I want to believe.


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[Assistant] I both want to believe that he was falsely accused and I don't want to because I feel bad. Agreed. You know, like it's like that would suck if his whole life.


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[Assistant] Was him being like not a murderer, but being treated like one? I feel like the thing would be, did he come into like a lot of new things after that salesman was killed? Like, did he spend the money?


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[Assistant] That's the thing, it's like, was that the reason? Right. Or did he just kill this guy? But all his money was gone, so I'm like, that seems to be the motive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know. It's very strange. It is- It makes a lot more sense to me, to be honest, that like some highwaymen are highwaymen.


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[Assistant] Right. I don't think he did this. That's exactly how I feel, like. Despite him coming from a father that was like, whoa, that was executed as the first person for getting executed for incest charges. Yeah, I mean, some people's parents are fucking terrible and they're great though. Well that's the thing, you know? It's like, you know? And they're great. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] So, I mean, I don't know. That's the curse of Michael Rood and the Apples. I thought it was an interesting one. It's a nice New England-y one, which is always fun. Uh, but the next one I'm going to talk about, because uhm, I want to watch this movie, essentially, uh, is The Omen. You know I've never seen it. You should, it's a great movie. It's a, it's a,


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[Assistant] I think with my ex-boyfriend in the theater. Terrible. Yeah. Was it good? It was good.


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[Assistant] Uhm, religious, like scary movies to me are like the scariest, and you always say that too. Yeah, I feel like whenever you bring religion into a horror movie, it just brings an element of like, uncomfortability to it.


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[Assistant] No matter what. And uncomfortability in like the best way for me. Like I love it because it scares me on a whole different level.


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[Assistant] That's, it's so funny because I agree with the latter part of that. It scares me on a whole different level, but to a level that I don't want to be scared on. Oh yeah, you see, you don't like it. I love it. And it's weird because I'm not like, I mean, we all know, like neither of us are very religious at all. But it still scares me. It scares me because


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[Assistant] Like it, usually when they use it in a horror movie, it's used in a really fucked up way. It's just the idea, everything that they'll do, like uhm.


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[Assistant] Like the scene in Hellraiser, when he's in the church. I love that scene. And he like does the, like the fake stigmata kind of thing. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's, because I'm not religious, I think it does make me uncomfortable in like a scary way. Yeah. When I watch it. I don't know what it is, I just, it freaks me the fuck out. Also, did anyone see Ghost release an EP? Of course I did, because I essentially live with you.


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[Assistant] It's a great cover, and I think they have like a whole EP of covers coming out in May, I wanna say. Covers. Covers.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it goes with the video and they released it on Easter and it was just like a really good cover and the video is like really wild. I love that. So it was a nice little Easter treat and it kind of goes along with all this like religious talk. So there we are. So the omen. Let's talk about it.


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[Assistant] Because it definitely has some like, you know, Satan and all that and the Antichrist things in it. Uh, it was, like I said, came out in 1976. It's directed by Richard Donner and it was written by David Seltzer.


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[Assistant] Uh, The Omen is pretty fucked and is a classically terrifying and disturbing horror flick. It's one of those...


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[Assistant] Masterpieces of horror. Just the way it is done. In my opinion, I'll say.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it starts out with a guy named Robert Thorne who's played by Gregory Peck and his wife Catherine Thorne played by Lee Remick.


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[Assistant] They're in Rome and about to give birth to a little boy when things go horribly wrong and the baby is actually born deceased. So obviously Robert is distraught and he has to be the one to tell his wife this. She doesn't know.


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[Assistant] But before he can do that, the hospital chaplain comes in and is like, hey.


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[Assistant] I'll take it. You should just take this baby and just tell your wife it's yours.


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[Assistant] Uh, but as this Damien kid grows up, shit goes awry. Yeah. Lots of bad stuff happens to this family. People die horrifically. Uh, their nanny literally hangs herself during his fifth birthday. Oh my god. Yeah. Damien, we find out, is the actual Antichrist. Oops.


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[Assistant] And then like now that you think of that, you're like, oh wow, like they were definitely inspired by the Antichrist and that's hilarious. And it's just like a wild term. The Antichrist. The Antichrist.


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[Assistant] Okay. And it's like that Damien is just is the Antichrist. It's like, okay. What does that mean? Like, I don't understand. Or Patrick Swayze. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So that bold move you took in the hospital there, like, did not, that wasn't a good move. So are we to believe that that woman fucked the devil?


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[Assistant] You'll get the answer. Me? And it's wild. You wanna watch it together? Yeah, I think we should watch it. Okay. Because, hoo boy.


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[Assistant] Oh no. That's all I'm gonna say. Uh, but yeaah, so, you know, he's the antichrist.


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[Assistant] Son of Satan, oopsie poopsie, got the wrong kid, uhm, but then Catherine, the mom, becomes pregnant. Again? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And the priest ups the bad shit level when this happens, and says, oh yea, since Damien is the son of Satan, he's gonna be hellbent, pun intended, on murdering that unborn fetus and both of you. So you gotta kill him, but I'll like 100% look the other way.


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[Assistant] The time to see it. Plenty of time. I would be very justified in spoiling, but I love you all so much that I won't do it to you, okay? Watch it, it's nuts. So many more twisties, but we just, we're not here just to talk about the movie plot. We're here to talk about curses on the set. So let's go.


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[Assistant] So obviously, it involves a lot of really dark shit. This movie plot, all of that. You know, very, like, um, historically dark shit. Yeah. Satan.


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[Assistant] Demons. Murder. Antichrist. Dark religious topics and all the like. So right away, everyone making this film was like a little weary that they may be messing with some forces that like could potentially be dangerous. So that's the thing. Like, I would feel that way a bit. I wouldn't. No, I know you wouldn't, but yeah. I wouldn't feel that way. I know you wouldn't. No, I know you wouldn't.


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[Assistant] But I know you would. Yeah, but it's weird because I don't believe wholeheartedly in any of that. But like, a little piece of me would be like, I'm not-


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[Assistant] An advertising exec and an evangelical Christian named Robert Munger was the one who helped birth the idea of this child antichrist.


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[Assistant] He had said to producer Harvey Bernhard that he believed the Antichrist was walking around in the form of a child because that would be the thing no one would expect. He really believed that to be true. He believed the IRL.


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[Assistant] I beg to differ this, as do all parents, I'm sure, because, but I'm, like, no one's gonna expect a child to be the Antichrist. I think everyone's gonna expect that.


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[Assistant] So, I get it, but whatever. So this idea, you know, this idea is obviously pretty fucking terrifying, like at its core. And it's also pretty brilliant as like, in a horror sense. Pretty mental. To have a child walking around as the Antichrist. So they started working with it. They were like, what an idea.


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[Assistant] Some religious ideas in the film were created and not taken directly from the Bible, like the idea that the Antichrist is the son of Satan himself.


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[Assistant] I don't know what he actually is, but that wasn't, I guess that's not what the Bible says. David Seltzer created that idea for the movie, but it really does work really well. That's the son of Satan, that's way scarier to people.


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[Assistant] You hear the son of Satan, it's like you're, that works. Like you know what you're coming with here. So yea, they made up a lot of that stuff, but people think that it's that, it's these kind of changes that angered something dark.


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[Assistant] But then I, here's my thinking. I'm like, well, why would the Antichrist give a shit, first of all, that you're not going by the Bible?


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[Assistant] That gets a little hairy scary. No comment. Yeah, I'm like, that's, I don't know. I feel like another side would be angrier that you're not going by the Bible. But again, I don't know. I don't know if there's pieces of the Bible that would turn that on its head, you know? I don't know much about the Bible. No?


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[Assistant] But before he even got the film started or greenlit, he pitched it by telling producer Harvey Bernhard that he believed the devil didn't want them to make the film, which seems like a pretty bold pitch to me.


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[Assistant] Wait, wait, wait, the guy who like made this whole idea up said the devil doesn't want to do this? Yea, like he was like, I'm pretty sure the devil doesn't want us to make this film. The devil doesn't want screen time? Which I don't, and I'm not saying it's a bad pitch, cause I don't believe that's a bad pitch, I think it's a bold pitch. That's one of those like risky, I gotta hit the right person with this pitch, because you're being like, hey.


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[Assistant] And Munger is quoted as saying, I said, if you make this movie, you're gonna have some problems. If the devil's greatest single weapon is to be invisible, and you're gonna do something which is going to take away his invisibility to millions of people, he's not going to want that to happen.


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[Assistant] So the devil is invisible. I guess. Okay, that's what I took away from that. So Bernhard recalled the devil was at work and he didn't want that film made.


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[Assistant] So here's where I sit. Again, I'm gonna keep telling you where I sit from here. Please do. Imagine the devil. Like if that is an actual thing, which like, I don't, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uh, but imagine him, what the icon, iconic that we think he is, like that, whatever we see him as. With like the horse feet. With the demon and all that. Imagine him being so mad about a Hollywood horror movie. See,


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[Assistant] So here's where I'm at. I picture the devil like the one in, um, Sabrina, but like the...


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[Assistant] And I would think that that devil would want to want the PR.


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[Assistant] Thank you. That's kind of what, I don't see him being pissed. No. Like that's just me. Cause people are also going to be fucking terrified and isn't that, the devil's whole thing is like...


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[Assistant] I don't know, but then when I think about it, I'm like, that's my interpretation. So there's a vast number of, and Mikey's bringing up pictures of the devil, of that devil, the one from Sabrina, and I'm just, I'm- It's getting so much hotter in this room. I need to look elsewhere. Uh, cause I can't. But there's- They call him Daddy Satan.


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[Assistant] Uh, but yeaah, you know. Watch that show, by the way, that's a great show. Also, now all I can- RIP to that show. I know, what the fuck. All I can hear in my head right now is that Jack Black song where it's like


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[Assistant] Uhm, does that stand for devil? Tenacious devil? I have no idea. But either way, I was gonna say, there's several different ways to interpret the devil, whether he exists, how he exists, who he is, what his beliefs are, what his motivation is, what his personality is. This is just mine.


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[Assistant] You probably do have a different interpretation because we're all different here. And that's okay. And maybe your devil that you're thinking of, I mean, it doesn't have to be your devil, just the devil you think about. Doesn't want the PR. Maybe he doesn't want the PR. Maybe he does want to be invisible.


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[Assistant] I think my idea is that he wouldn't give a shit about a Hollywood horror film. I feel like that's a... That's small potatoes to a daemon. To the devil TM. But maybe your daemon does, so I'm not here to stomp on your idea here, but that's just how I feel.


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[Assistant] We digress. So filming is about to begin in London and the cast is heading on to set and shit already is going really awry. And this is the part where when you enter into this, you're like, okay, yeah, curse like the devil. What are you talking about? Shut up.


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[Assistant] So that's not manmade. No, and now I looked into it, and according to Scientific American, each airplane in the US commercial air fleet is struck by lightning at least once a year. Remember when it happened to Miley Cyrus? It did.


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[Assistant] Now usually these strikes are light and not really notice that much.


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[Assistant] Don't do a bunch of damage they used to, but they definitely don't anymore. It happens once a year to each plane on average, but December 8th, 1963,


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[Assistant] A commercial airliner crashed as a direct result of being struck by lightning. That was in 63, remember before they put in a bunch of different shit, which I will talk about, that has made that so it won't happen again usually.


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[Assistant] It was Pan American World Airways flight 214 and it was a Boeing 707.


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[Assistant] The plane exploded and went down with 73 passengers and 8 crew members on board. Oh my god. And the last words they heard over the black box was Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, Clipper 214 out of control, here we go. Isn't that like the most chilling? Here we go. Why the fuck would you say that? Now everyone on board perished.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this was directly due to lightning strikes and it ignited the fuel tank and that's why it exploded.


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[Assistant] After this though, so don't worry, after this, planes were ordered to install lightning discharge wicks or static dischargers on all planes in the US.


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[Assistant] This basically, what these are, are they're on the wings and they allow the excess electrons of built up static energy to have a pathway


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[Assistant] Like they get shot out into the atmosphere, so it's like a way to like ground it and send it somewhere else. Kinda thing.


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[Assistant] And they work. Like they've tested them out, they work. That's how it works. Thank you for that. Yeah. So just wanted to like detour on that because woah. Scary. So shortly after this, within days, writer David Seltzer's plane also was hit by lightning.


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[Assistant] I am self-flagellating my fear of flying, but you usually are. This is all in the name of content for you because I love you. Wow. If you've ever doubted.


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[Assistant] Right after this, producer Mace Newfield, Newfiled I think it is, Newfield, was also in the plane headed to production, and his plane was struck by lightning.


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[Assistant] And he was literally right next to him. See, that's why. These are a little weird. Like, how, how do you not?


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[Assistant] But like I smite you with these. Like you believe that something was at work, right? Something weird is happening here. I don't know what. I can't put my, my little, my little finger on it. I know. But you know.


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[Assistant] It did have some bad energy going into production because they were immediately setting this up as like the devil doesn't want this. So they were setting the bad energy from the start.


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[Assistant] But he said quote, I wasn't about to take any chances, which I get. The devil was at work and he didn't want that film made. We were dealing in areas we didn't know about and later on in the picture it got worse, worse, and worse.


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[Assistant] Um, there was a private plane that was rented for production because they were using it for like overhead scenes. Sure. And during production, like during filming, somebody else rented this plane, like they chartered it while they weren't using it. Upon takeoff.


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[Assistant] The engine was hit by a flock of birds, caused the engines to fail and the plane crashed onto the end of the runway, skidded into the road and hit a car.


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[Assistant] My god. Everyone on board and in the car was killed. Yeah.


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[Assistant] This is true, this much is true, but in some sources, and I don't, I don't know if this is true, I can't verify this, it's just in some sources, they say the car was carrying the pilot's wife and two children.


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[Assistant] I think that is way too over the top. They do cite it in some sources, but I found, I want to be clear, I found nothing to verify this. But you will read that in some sources, that's why I want to let you know, like, I couldn't find something to verify it, if you can.


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[Assistant] So that happened. Uhm, apparently I think it was, uh, Peck who was supposed to be renting one of the planes too.


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[Assistant] And it might have been that actual plane and he ended up not renting it that day or using it that day to do something and it crashed. Wow. And he was supposed to be on it.


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[Assistant] There was also an animal trainer who was on set because there's a scene with Rottweilers where Peck's character is chased and attacked in a cemetery by really angry, vicious dogs. Hellhounds, if you will.


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[Assistant] Uh, but the dogs, the Rottweilers, attacked the stuntman for real, and they wouldn't stop. Oh my god. And they bit through the paddings and ignored the handlers and the animal trainer, and I guess the stuntman ended up being okay, but he suffered actual injuries from it.


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[Assistant] Wow. And it was very unlike these dogs to not listen to the handlers and the trainer. Yeah. Were they okay? They were okay. Okay, good. Uhm, so Richard Donner was leaving Harvey Bernhard's office. Something else happens to the animal trainer, by the way. We'll get to it. But he was leaving Bernhard's office after a meeting and he was hit by a car.


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[Assistant] And on November 12th, they were all there, executive producers, directors, actors, all of them were having some kind of dinner at some restaurant.


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[Assistant] And that restaurant was bombed by the IRA minutes before they arrived. Oh my god. This is, um, over an 11 week period. I was going to say it was quick. 11 weeks.


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[Assistant] And they come across a group of baboons, and the baboons freak the fuck out when they see Damien. And he's just smiling at them. It's so scary. And so the baboons attack the car they're in, that they're driving through. And according to Richard Donner, Lee Remick, who played the mom,


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[Assistant] Was legitimately terrified while filming this sequence, so her screams and the fear you see are very real. And they're what's in the final shot of the film.


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[Assistant] So they used that animal trainer for these shots as well and everything was fine.


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[Assistant] So special effects supervisor John Richardson was responsible for a really infamous scene. It's a decapitation scene in the movie.


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[Assistant] Well, John Richardson was in Holland with his girlfriend Liz Moore on August 13th, 1976. They were filming Richard Attenborough's A Bridge Too Far and their car crashed.


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[Assistant] He survived, very injured, but she was decapitated.


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[Assistant] She was a really talented and really respected painter and sculptor. She designed and sculpted Star Child in Stanley Kubrick's 2001 Space Odyssey. Oh wow. The nude furniture in a clockwork orange.


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[Assistant] The C-3PO suit in Star Wars. Oh my god. And worked with another artist named Brian Muir. Muir, I think it is, sorry. To create the finalized version of the Stormtrooper helmets. Holy shit. She was only 32 years old when she was killed. Wow, imagine what she could have gone on to do.


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[Assistant] And killed by decapitation. That's terrifying. Now, allegedly, according to reports, he said he escaped from the vehicle and he saw a sign post, they were in Holland, pointing to the nearest town. And it was, the town's name was Omen. And it was O-M-M-E-N.


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[Assistant] And according to him, the kilometer marker where this was, was 66.6.


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[Assistant] Another crew member, a stunt person named Alf Joint, also went from working on stunts and working on like the omen, he went to the Richard Attenborough's A Bridge Too Far 2, so they both went over to that. He had an accident almost immediately as well.


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[Assistant] He was supposed to be filmed jumping off a roof and he would land on some kind of like airbag, obviously. He fell from the roof.


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[Assistant] All the motherfucking chills. And the way he fell, everyone was like, that was not a stuntman fall. Like that wasn't a stuntman fall, he was awkward, it was like he wasn't ready for it. But he was like- Like someone had pushed him and he wasn't ready to do an actual fall. Like a safe fall. Oh no. They said it was like super awkward and strange how he fell.


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[Assistant] And he was, he, he was like, I was 100% pushed. I felt it. And he was like, that's why it looked that way. Fuck that.


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[Assistant] And to end it all out, the kid who played Damon, Harvey Stevens, he disappeared for years after.


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[Assistant] He's a terrifying looking child. And the crew of the documentary about this curse had to hire a private detective to search him down because they thought he was dead or missing.


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[Assistant] Then when they talk to him, he won't speak about the curse. Literally will not say a word. You can't get him to open up about it. What? Yeah. Which I'm like...


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[Assistant] Playing into it, cause like, good on you, I would play the fuck into that if I could, but like, damn. I would not play into that. Like, that's why, it's so like, no. Cause look, we're talking about it. Well yeah, but. Have people be like, what?


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[Assistant] Like, how can you have that much bad luck? I'm not well, bitch. I'm not well, bitch, but I think it's an interesting...


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[Assistant] And maybe it doesn't even necessarily have to do with like, you know, the devil and stuff like that. It's like this, you're messing with something ancient that you don't understand an ancient force that none of us understand. Maybe, you know, like maybe it's something to do with that. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Who am I? I feel like I'm gonna be very creeped out the next couple days. Whenever we talk about- I love that. Yeah, I know me too. Cause I love that feeling, but like I also hate it at the same time.


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[Assistant] Oh, the end of my hallway is gonna freak me out. Lately I've been freaked out by the end of my hallway. Ooh. Yeah. You might wanna like, clear that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, clear that out. Yeah, it's my spare bedroom too, so. Oh yeah, clear that out. Yeah, definitely. You don't want that being funky. I think it's just cause honestly there's a lot of laundry in there.


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[Assistant] It's bad stinky vibes. Oh man, creepy, creepy. We love a haunted movie, which, you know, these are, and there was a lot of, there's a lot of actual death involved here, so it's uhm, true crime as well. It's got the true crime element. Uhm, we should make this a series, and like, if you guys know of any cursed movies that you want us to look into,


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[Assistant] But yeaah, and go listen to Ghost's new, you know, cover single, cause it's great. I heard it. You're gonna hear it a lot. What? So there you go. But yeaah, I hope everybody, uh,


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[Assistant] But not so weird that you're the Antichrist, or maybe do keep it that weird, just up to your preference. Yeah, whatever you want to do, man. Be you. Keep it that weird. Keep it your kind of weird. Hey-o.


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[Assistant] I mean, it does matter. They need to know, like, set the scene. Caleb has a Christmas sweater on. I just have a lavender sweatshirt. We're all pretty, pretty dashing today.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, so Caleb's joining me today because Elena is busy at some kind of award show getting awards for her book and stuff. I know things. Uhm, but yeaah, Caleb was nice enough to join me while Elena is in New York being fancy with John and actually getting some husband-wife time.


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[Assistant] Just writing books, kicking ass, taking names. I love that girl.


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[Assistant] There he is. Alright, so I invited Caleb on to tell him the story of Dan and Nancy Brophy. And I actually picked this case because I was watching, uhm, this is embarrassing, but I was watching Married at First Sight on Lifetime. Have you ever seen that?


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I was watching that, I don't watch a lot of Lifetime anymore, that's like the only thing that I will watch on there.


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[Assistant] But when I was younger, I used to watch Lifetime movies all the time. So when I see the commercials now, I'm like, damn, that shit's wild.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. The fact that she thought she was gonna get away with this is wild. Sorry to, uhm, alert you up front. She did it.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get into all of that, but first I gotta tell you about Nancy when she was born. So,


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[Assistant] I'll tell ya. Nancy Crampton-Brophy, she was born Nancy Lee Crampton on June 16th, 1950, which makes her not only a Gemini,


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[Assistant] But the middle child of her parents. So it was off from the start.


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[Assistant] So both her parents were lawyers and they decided that they wanted to raise their family in Wichita Falls, Texas, which is my favorite place to stay.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say there's like, many Wichitas.


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[Assistant] But anyway, after graduating from high school in 1968, Nancy, she went on to study at the University of Houston. And there she majored, I don't know why I said it like that, I was in Texas I guess.


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[Assistant] There she majored. She majored in economics and she ended up graduating in 1972.


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[Assistant] Now not long after graduating from the University of Houston, she got married to her first husband, who was a police officer.


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[Assistant] And according to her later testimony, she was not, or he was not allowed to keep his gun in the house. She wouldn't let him.


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[Assistant] She claims that she's obsessed with guns, but weird that she was like, no, he couldn't leave his gun in the house. Like, I didn't like that.


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[Assistant] Yup, that's exactly what she does. She's, she's a flip-floppish.


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[Assistant] She is. Uhm, so it's unclear really how long their mass marriage lasted or when it ended, but by the end of the 1980s, she was divorced and she was ready to shake her life up in a real big way.


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[Assistant] She just really wanted to put like her old life behind her, start over completely, so she decided to try something new. She said, I'm gonna enroll in culinary school.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was for like a minute. So she enrolled in the Western Culinary Institute, which is now Le Cordon Bleu College of Culinary Arts.


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[Assistant] Right? His passion for food and cooking eventually led him to Portland, Oregon, where he became, I feel like you're gonna love this, he became a mushroom hunter and gardener.


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[Assistant] Uh, well yeah, but I just thought you would love that like lifestyle. Like he was just like, you know what, I'm gonna go find out about mushrooms.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, you might not like them, and I might, I like, I go back and forth with mushrooms, but Daniel, he loved mushrooms. And he was good at mushrooms, like, like picking out which ones you could harvest and eat, and which ones you shouldn't. And he got-


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[Assistant] And I'm like, kids, don't eat those, cause I am not an expert on trumis.


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[Assistant] Kids will eat like anything on the ground, but I mean, Alena's kids do not eat the mushrooms on the ground, but I feel the need to be like, don't touch that! You know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's good to know which ones you can and cannot eat, like if you're stranded somewhere and you're hungry.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you know, Daniel, he knew all about that. And actually, he got so good at it that he would eventually start leading tours and giving lectures on the region's mushrooms, herbs, and other local ingredients.


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[Assistant] Once he became a full-blown chef, he honed his craft at restaurants like Jake's Famous Crawfish, which is a Portland landmark that has been in business for more than 125 years.


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[Assistant] But outside of work, Daniel was really committed to his community.


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[Assistant] He not only worked at a soup kitchen every week, but he would also bring his own ingredients to the soup kitchen to make sure he could cook up something special. This wasn't like...


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[Assistant] Regular soup kitchen food. It was Daniel's soup kitchen food.


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[Assistant] And he loved cooking. He was super knowledgeable in his field. He was also just like a really easy going man in general. And he just wanted to share his passion and his smarts with other people.


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[Assistant] So because all those things were really working for him, he decided that he'd like to become a culinary instructor.


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[Assistant] And he was in his first year as an instructor when he met Miss Nancy.


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[Assistant] I only have ever really dealt with one Nancy in my life that I can think of, and she's the only person that I ever requested not to work directly with. So I agree with you.


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[Assistant] It's like Karens, there's great Karens, but then there's Karen Karens.


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[Assistant] But then you feel bad for the great Karens because they're like, Jesus Christ, I wanna change my name.


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[Assistant] Needle and Nancy's, you know? I don't know, that's the best I could come up with.


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[Assistant] She's a meddling Nancy because she was immediately taken with Daniel. She thought he was a fine instructor and a fine man.


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[Assistant] And it started to become very clear to everybody else in the class just how much she liked him. Uhm, but there was a big issue. Daniel was married.


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[Assistant] So, he couldn't be out here with Miss Nancy Nance.


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[Assistant] Now, Nancy's roommate at the time, Tonya Medlin, she warned Nancy about getting too close to Daniel because, you know, he was married and all, and she told her,


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[Assistant] Don't be dipping your candle in somebody else's wax. Which I love, that's like a, that's a real quote.


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[Assistant] You know? But Nancy responded, well, that's not gonna last. Which like, don't ever be that girl. Like, you don't know his wife or anything about her. And even if you do, like, stop meddling in people's marriages.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, Nancy was correct. The marriage would end just a few years later in 1994, and once it did, Daniel Brophy began dating Nancy.


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[Assistant] He kept building his career at the same time as a chef instructor with the culinary school.


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[Assistant] And Nancy actually opened up her own catering business, Chef Du Jour Catering.


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[Assistant] It was a really successful catering company in Northwest Portland.


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[Assistant] By the late 1990s, things actually were going really well for the both of them as a couple.


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[Assistant] Because Nancy's catering business had grown really considerably.


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[Assistant] At the time they were employing 25 people and they were earning half a milli per year.


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[Assistant] And then in 1999, eight years after they met, Dan and Nancy held what they called a large marriage ceremony. And they started calling each other husband and wife. But it actually took them until June of 2016 to file the legal paperwork.


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[Assistant] Whatever my accountant is like, it's time to look through your taxes. I'm like, I don't know what those are. I don't have those.


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[Assistant] I hate taxis and it freaks me out because I'm like, where did I put that little slip of paper six months ago?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Now just like a lot of people, Dan and Nancy hit a little bit of financial trouble when the economy downturned after 9-11.


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[Assistant] Nancy had to lay off at least 10 people from the catering business.


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[Assistant] So to help supplement their income, Dan kept teaching, but he also started moonlighting as a chef at a retirement home.


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[Assistant] Now they also on top of that ended up refinancing their house so that they could get money from their equity.


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[Assistant] I don't really know how any of that works, but things started improving financially over the next couple of years.


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[Assistant] Daniel got a better job, he got hired actually as lead chef instructor at the Oregon Culinary Institute in 2006.


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[Assistant] No, not long, not long after he started working at OCI, the college there, he and Nancy moved to Beaverton, which I love the name of that town.


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[Assistant] It's a small city just outside of Portland and in 2013, Nancy decided to dedicate as much time as humanly possible


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[Assistant] To her passion for writing. You guys had no idea. Nancy is a writer.


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[Assistant] No, in the past she had written some small pamphlets in college. She made some money as a technical writer.


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[Assistant] But she always wanted to pursue her interest in writing fiction, and now she kinda had the chance.


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[Assistant] She didn't make a lot of money doing it. She may have been successful in the way that she did write several books, which is more than I can say. Uhm, but I don't think they were like in a crazy amount of success.


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[Assistant] So she, she really, when social media started like happening and the internet started becoming more mainstream throughout the 2000s and early 2010s.


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[Assistant] It made it easier for writers to reach an audience through websites and blogs and self-publishing.


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[Assistant] So Nancy decided to give writing an honest try for like the first time ever. Now we're gonna get into some of what she wrote.


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[Assistant] Writing as Nancy Crampton-Brophy, she would eventually pen nine romance novels, including a five book series, with titles like The Wrong Husband, The Wrong Cop, and The Wrong Lover.


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[Assistant] Standard lifetime. And these were self-published books and they were sold online.


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[Assistant] They were pretty much all within, I've never heard of this, but it's called the Bodice Ripper genre.


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[Assistant] I think it's like when you rip off your corset probably or something like that.


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[Assistant] But it featured quote unquote rugged men, strong women, and a good story. And that was according to her website.


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[Assistant] And then all of the novels had covers that quote, depicted handsome heroes and at least one heroine with chiseled bodies and dark coiffed hair.


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[Assistant] Koift. I don't even know what koift hair is. I think it just means it's like, in place.


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[Assistant] Kind of writing in like kind of genre, I feel. And also it's taking me back to a place of the America's Next Top Model shoot where Fabio joins. I don't know if you ever watched that.


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[Assistant] My grandma, you should talk to Kath next time you're here because that girl...


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[Assistant] She loves 90 days. She's like, did you watch the other night? I'm like, I don't watch it, ma.


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[Assistant] Ma's the one that got me into Bravo in the first place. She doesn't really watch it anymore, but 90 Day? I don't think she'll ever give up on 90 Day.


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[Assistant] Well, it's kinda like how Nancy wasn't gonna give up on writing Bodice Ripper novels.


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[Assistant] So, writing fulfilled her personally, but like you were kind of asking earlier, uh, it didn't really do it for the couple financially. She wasn't making a lot of money doing this. And very soon they were struggling again.


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[Assistant] To the point where in 2014 they started dipping into Daniel's 401k. Which like,


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[Assistant] I don't really know a lot about that, but I don't think that's something you want to dip into if you can help it.


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[Assistant] So they were dipping into it, I think, like obviously like good intentions. They wanted to fix up their house and eventually subdivide the property and sell off the various subdivisions. And


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[Assistant] They actually even went as far as to have Nancy's name taken off the deed.


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[Assistant] Which reduced the amount of income reported by the homeowner who now at that point was just Daniel.


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[Assistant] Basically, I was trying to figure out like what that would save them, and I think it just saves them taxes.


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[Assistant] If you're like, if your income is like, less than...


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[Assistant] What you were originally reporting, I would think it was just tax time, like things, but.


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[Assistant] I don't really know, I'm sure you guys listening will know if you're into taxes and things like that.


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[Assistant] Even though there was a steep decrease in income, Nancy, she kept focusing on her writing. She was writing full time at this point, but now she was spending money quite frequently on her writing and quote unquote research for her novels.


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[Assistant] She would spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on all kinds of things for this research. Like one time, when she bought a Victorian era chastity belt. For research.


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[Assistant] Well that's the thing, I think maybe she had like a shopping problem or something like that. Or, I dunno, maybe she just really liked these things and wanted them but then like wrote it off as research so her husband wouldn't get mad at her.


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[Assistant] Just for writing it down and doing experiments later, of course.


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[Assistant] But in addition to her spending on research, she and Daniel actually started investing heavily in life insurance policies and that was starting in 2014.


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[Assistant] No, you don't need to have like multiple multiple life insurance policies. I think like one or two will cut it. Again, not something I really know a lot about.


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[Assistant] That was a really good inference you made there because between 2014 and 2017, they had acquired six life insurance policies.


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[Assistant] I think that's why. I think it's because they were going like different places, so the other...


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[Assistant] Life insurance brokers, I guess is what you call them. They didn't realize that they already had five others taken out.


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[Assistant] It does. So they had six life insurance policies between 2014 and 2017 that they took out. And they had a base payout of $400,000.


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[Assistant] And an additional $320,000 in the event that Daniel's death was accidental.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think it was like a majority of them.


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[Assistant] Like, at least, but I think between all of them, that's what would have happened. So.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Right. And I mean, you have to get approved for all of them. Also, fun fact, getting life insurance is really fucking hard. And it's really fucking annoying because you have to answer like a bunch of questions like, if you've ever done drugs, are you overweight? Do you smoke cigarettes? You must have a physical. Some lady has to come to your house and you have to pee in a cup and give it to her. It's awful.


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[Assistant] And to do that six different times, I'm like, you couldn't pay me money. And like you would be, but you couldn't. So, by September of 2017, sadly,


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[Assistant] They had blown through almost all of Daniel's 401k.


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[Assistant] And as of that month, there was only about $35,000 remaining. Now obviously, $35,000 is a lot of money, but I think when it comes to a 401k, not very much.


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[Assistant] Thinking that that would wipe away their debts and kinda give them a fresh start.


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[Assistant] I mean, really inability to generate income had put her and her husband deeply in the red financially speaking.


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[Assistant] Pretty much. Basically, Nancy should have just like reopened her catering business.


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[Assistant] Because it's like, at the end of the day, if that's not bringing you in enough money to support you and your husband, and like, in addition to his income, that's a hobby. You're not-


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[Assistant] You know, like, you gotta get something to supplement this, if you're in the red. So.


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[Assistant] The morning of June 2nd, 2018, we're flash forwarding here, and flash forwarding. Uhm, it started out pretty much-


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[Assistant] Uh, before that we were between 2017, or 2014 and 2017.


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[Assistant] But then they were able to kinda regain, but then they kinda started floundering again when Nancy stopped the culinary business and started writing.


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[Assistant] So 2017 is when things got like really, really bad financially. That's when they were told like,


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[Assistant] Now we're in 2018. It's June 2nd, 2018. And this morning started off pretty regular for Daniel Brophy. Like, pretty much like every other morning had.


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[Assistant] He woke up early, he went out back to feed the chickens in the backyard. He just seems like a very wholesome man, like, working at a retirement home.


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[Assistant] Working at a soup kitchen, feeding his chickens. He takes the dogs for a walk, comes back home, takes a quick shower, and then he heads off to work.


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[Assistant] So he got to the Oregon Culinary Institute, OCI.


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[Assistant] Yup, he loved getting there early and just like being able to set up the kitchen before all the people came. Now, a coworker arrived about 10 or 15 minutes later.


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[Assistant] They were going to be the one that was going to unlock the doors for the students and kind of greet them when they started filing in and then they would go to their classroom where Daniel had everything set up.


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[Assistant] So in kitchen one, like I just said, he was setting everything up for the day, starting the coffee maker, making other arrangements. He was at the sink, filling up pitchers with ice water, though, when somebody snuck into the classroom quietly and shot him one time in the back. And when he got shot with that one shot,


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[Assistant] The force of the bullet caused his body to spin around 180 degrees, at which point his killer fired again, quote, directly center mouse to his chest.


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[Assistant] Which sent a second bullet tearing through his torso, ultimately piercing his heart.


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[Assistant] It was gnarly. Brutal as fuck. And just like, out of nowhere, this man is just at work setting up for the day. You would never expect this.


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[Assistant] And here's the thing, students are starting to come in and clearly like nobody really heard this because there wasn't that many people around just like right when it happened.


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[Assistant] So he's laying there on the ground as students are filing into the kitchen just after 7.30 and they are completely shocked to find their instructor lying on his back in front of the industrial sink.


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[Assistant] Unconscious and bleeding profusely from two gunshot wounds.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine you're just like filing into your classroom and you're like, oh, I gotta take a Saturday class. And that's what you stumble into.


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[Assistant] I didn't listen to it. I can never listen to 911 calls.


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[Assistant] So sad. So yeah, like you said, one of the students just called 911.


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[Assistant] The police and the emergency responders, they race to the scene. But again, like you just said, by the time they got there, it was too late. He was dead. Dead on arrival.


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[Assistant] So Portland Detectives Anthony Merrill and Darren Posey arrived at OSI, excuse me, uhm, around 8.30 in the morning. And at that point, the school had been placed in lockdown. Crime scene technicians had started processing the scene.


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[Assistant] So when the detectives entered the kitchen, they found so sad.


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[Assistant] The metal ice scoop lying on the floor where he had dropped it when he was shot.


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[Assistant] They discovered two nine millimeter shell casings on the floor, which meant that whoever had killed Daniel.


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[Assistant] Interviewers from Dateline, they wanted to get in quick and get out quick.


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[Assistant] So within two hours of the murder, somebody, a friend, had called Nancy to let her know that the police were converged on OCI.


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[Assistant] So she immediately drives down to the school, detectives meet her.


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[Assistant] And they usher her into a room that they started kinda using as a command center. And they kinda, you know, go through their series of questions, like,


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[Assistant] What was your husband doing this morning? What does he usually do? Like blah blah blah. What were you doing?


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[Assistant] And after several minutes, they finally gave her the news. They told her, we believe it's Dan that's been killed.


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[Assistant] No, she barely skipped a beat and said to them, yeah, I got that when everybody gave me the sad sack look.


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[Assistant] Weird response. Now, what followed was typical behavior, like what you would call it. She was bewildered, she was grief stricken, she was crying. That is the kind of reaction that you would expect from somebody.


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[Assistant] Again, me and Alina say it all the time, like, you can't chop, like,


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[Assistant] Somebody's guiltiness up to how they react to something right away, cause not everybody's gonna cry right away. Some people are gonna, you know, freeze.


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[Assistant] But anyways, they were like, okay, uhm, like, you can go for now and we're gonna talk to you later today. Like, we'll be in contact, cause they were still working on the scene.


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[Assistant] So by the next day the news had made its way around the OSI community and there was a wave of stunned and shocked responses. Current and former students were on the internet just


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[Assistant] Oregon Culinary Institute lost a top-notch chef instructor that touched so many lives. And another one said,


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[Assistant] And then Nancy shared her thoughts online, uhm, and in my opinion this is a pretty strange Facebook post, but she wrote,


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[Assistant] But I'm struggling to make sense of everything now. While I appreciate all of your loving responses, I'm overwhelmed. Please save calls for a few days until I can function.


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[Assistant] Just weird, like, I don't know. A bizarre, a bizarre post in my opinion.


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[Assistant] So when I read that, I was like, well that's weird, but if I had read that and she didn't, if she wasn't the one that did it, maybe I would feel differently.


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[Assistant] Right, right, and she doesn't want to like have her phone blown up all day when she's going through it.


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[Assistant] So a candlelight vigil was held in Daniel's honor a few days later in the parking lot at the school.


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[Assistant] And Nancy reiterated her grief and her shock to the students and the faculty saying,


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[Assistant] I just can't wrap my head around it. Dan was one of the very few people I've known that knew exactly what he wanted in life and loved doing it.


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[Assistant] Which is really sad when again, we know that she's the one that is doing this. She's standing in front of all of these grieving people saying, I can't wrap my head around it. He was the nicest guy. He knew what he wanted and he was doing it. It's like, okay, so like then why did you kill him?


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[Assistant] He was happy. He was doing what he wanted to do. Like what?


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[Assistant] So back to the investigation. As they surveyed the scene, Detectives Marilyn Posey were rather perplexed. There was no sign of a struggle, no sign of forced entry. Daniel still had his wallet, phone, keys, his car was still parked in the parking lot.


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[Assistant] So pretty much right away those factors ruled out the whole robbery gone wrong scenario.


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[Assistant] To them, it seemed like somebody had snuck into the culinary school to murder him, and then snuck out without disrupting or taking anything, but they were stumped because they were like, who the hell would want to do that?


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[Assistant] Daniel was super well liked, so they were having a really hard time coming up with anybody who disliked him, especially enough to kill him or have him killed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just like very sudden and out of the blue and then to have all of his things still with him, you're like, what?


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[Assistant] Crazy. So Detective Posey told Dateline, there was people that were like, he's tough, but nothing that, you know, somebody had it out for him because they like had their career ended by him or anything like that. So many people knew Daniel Brophy to be a very direct person who quote, wasn't afraid to have conversations that many instructors might try away from.


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[Assistant] And also his dry sense of humor and he did have kind of like a rigid personality.


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[Assistant] That did tend to rub people, like certain people, the wrong way. But it was never to the extent, like I was just saying, that somebody would want him dead for something he said or anything he did. It was just like, I'm trying to, honestly he kind of reminds me of my grandpa.


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[Assistant] You put it so perfectly, like, he's not gonna beat around the bush. Like, he's just gonna tell you how he feels.


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[Assistant] So, with a case like this where somebody is killed seemingly for no reason, as we all know, the spouse is the one that they look into first. So when Nancy was questioned shortly after the murder,


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[Assistant] Detectives outwardly seem to accept her description of her movements that morning.


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[Assistant] But they also knew right away that she was lying, even as she was telling them her


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[Assistant] Uh, version of that morning's events. Because by the time they sat down to question her,


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[Assistant] They had already found surveillance footage that contradicted her story.


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[Assistant] So she says she's sleeping and that she just woke up when Daniel came in with the dogs and then fell right back to sleep and just had a chill morning.


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[Assistant] Nope. At 7.08am, when she was supposedly at home sleeping, a surveillance camera from a business across the street from the culinary school captured Nancy driving by the school in her minivan.


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[Assistant] Like, when you were driving around in your car, you were being caught on surveillance footage everywhere.


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[Assistant] From the culinary school, I can't believe that happened while I was there. I mean, again, I'm not giving you like a, an alibi, but still.


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[Assistant] The other thing is, her story about being home and in bed at the time of the murder was not her only suspicious behavior in the days and weeks following the murder.


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[Assistant] Just three days after Dan was killed, Detective Posey got a call from Nancy asking if he would produce a letter confirming that she was not a suspect in the murder so that she could assure the insurance company she wasn't involved in the death.


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[Assistant] Exactly, so Posey clearly had never been asked for such a letter by anybody, and he was like, yeah, girl, like, that's not gonna happen. His real direct quote was, he literally sent her, he goes, the way you clear somebody is you arrest somebody else and take them to trial. Like, you're not gonna get a letter until I have tried somebody for this murder that's not you. So, she's just like, really?


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[Assistant] It wasn't just detectives who found her reaction to Dan's death to be unusual.


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[Assistant] There were neighbors who were also pretty put off by her behavior.


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[Assistant] Don McConnell, who lived in the house that abutted Daniel and Nancy's property, told reporters, quote,


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[Assistant] Now, other neighbors had also noticed her odd behavior too. She was moving furniture in and out of, or out of the house. She had started telling people that she was seriously thinking of putting the house on the market because she was quote, haunted by Dan's side of the bedroom.


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[Assistant] She said thinking about him upset her and she wanted to get away from the house.


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[Assistant] If my neighbor said that to me after their husband was murdered, I feel like I'd be like, I don't think I would consider that strange. Like, she's haunted by a side of the bedroom, that makes sense. But putting the house on the market, that's like, that's abrupt.


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[Assistant] There are times where she does and then I think there are times where she slips up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think more often than not she's slipping up.


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[Assistant] As technicians began digging into Dan's personal life, they only found more evidence leading them back to Nancy.


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[Assistant] As they were searching through his cellphone for clues, they actually discovered an article bookmarked


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[Assistant] On their shared iTunes account, so this iTunes account was shared by Dan and Nancy.


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[Assistant] The article they found was titled, 10 Ways to Cover Up a Murder.


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[Assistant] Now, not long after, they also discovered another suspicious article.


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[Assistant] This one written by Nancy herself in 2011. She had written this article for a blog called See Jane Publish, and it was titled, How to Murder Your Husband.


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[Assistant] So this, this article was written kind of like in an essay format, and it detailed the motives and methods that somebody might use to kill their spouse in a romance novel.


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[Assistant] Nancy wrote, divorce is expensive and do you really want to split all your possessions? Or if you married for money, aren't you entitled to all of it? The drawback is the police aren't stupid. They're looking at you first. If the murder is supposed to set me free, I certainly don't want to spend any time in jail.


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[Assistant] She launched into the pros and cons of the five methods of murder.


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[Assistant] The essay recommended against hiring a hitman to do the job because quote, an amazing number of hitmen rat you out to the police.


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[Assistant] She then cautions against using poison, saying, who wants to hang out with a sick husband?


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[Assistant] Like, I love that she's like, you know, I would just rather wish people dead because I don't really want to like, clean up my walls and I'm really bad at remembering lies. Not like, I have a conscience and I would never murder someone, like.


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[Assistant] But so they find all of that, and they're like, okay, well, this is plenty of evidence. And then...


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[Assistant] Detectives learned that the couple owned a Glock 9mm handgun, which was the very same caliber used in Daniel's murder. That it was.


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[Assistant] But it gets tricky. According to Nancy, she had purchased the 9mm as research for one of her novels.


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[Assistant] And she claimed that neither her or Daniel had ever fired it.


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[Assistant] But, so she said that they had never fired it, that it was for research. Blah-dee-dah-doo, or it was because all her friends had one and she just had to get it, like it's a new pair of Nikes.


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[Assistant] Later, but that, but maybe it was because later detectives learned that this wasn't the first gun Nancy had purchased.


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[Assistant] In late 2017, she had purchased what's called a ghost gun kit online.


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[Assistant] Which would have allowed her to make her own untraceable gun.


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[Assistant] Apparently the kit was actually too difficult for her to complete, and that's when she purchased the Glock.


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[Assistant] But through the course of their investigation, detectives would also learn that.


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[Assistant] While the Glock wasn't a match for the casings at the scene on the day of the murder, it might have been used because Nancy


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[Assistant] Also, like, mama, they're gonna look at your search history.


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[Assistant] It's wild. And I also love that she was like, yeah, the ghost gun kit online was too hard for me, but I was able to switch out several components of another gun.


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[Assistant] So after months of quietly following leads and collecting evidence, detectives had assembled what they believed was a pretty strong case against Nancy Crampton Brophy for the murder of her husband.


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[Assistant] She and Daniel were way behind on their mortgage. They were living well beyond their means.


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[Assistant] And it was mostly, especially when it came to Nancy's spending habits, she was really the one pushing them above their means.


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[Assistant] Uh, then there were the multiple life insurance policies that would...


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[Assistant] It must have been like crazy. And I have to wonder if he knew, I don't think he knew about those. I think she was probably buying those and like keeping it secret from him.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, it's like, you were there in a very small time frame.


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[Assistant] You have all the means, all the motives to do this, but it wasn't you.


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[Assistant] Cause it doesn't work in her favor. That's the thing.


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[Assistant] On the morning of September 5th, 2018, just three months after the murder of her husband, police arrested Nancy at her home at previously the couple's home in Beaverton. She was seemingly shocked and asked, you're arresting me? You must think I murdered my husband.


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[Assistant] No, Nancy, we thought that you actually stole some Cheerios from the stop and shop down the street, um, so you'd be arrested for that. This has nothing to do with your husband's murder.


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[Assistant] You just like had a couple unpaid parking tickets, Nance. We're just gonna take you downtown.


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[Assistant] Yes, they think you murdered your husband, of course that's why they're arresting you.


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[Assistant] And don't they literally say like, you're being arrested for the murder of boooool?


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[Assistant] So, she's really quick on the uptake there. But despite all the strong evidence against her, like we just heard in that crazy ass clip, Nancy maintained that she was innocent, but still offered zero explanation for her presence outside the school on the morning of her husband's murder.


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[Assistant] Strangely enough, her arrest actually shocked almost everybody who knew her and Daniel, especially the people closest to them. Her old roommate, Tanya, she said,


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[Assistant] I was absolutely shocked. I don't think she did it. And I would be embarrassed if I was them if they can't prove this.


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[Assistant] Now Daniel's son Nathan Stillwater was among those most stunned by Nancy's arrest. He told Dateline,


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[Assistant] They were, you know, they had started making some plans for what was going to happen in their retirement years. And while it hadn't been nailed down yet, it seemed like they were onto some exciting ideas. Honestly,


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[Assistant] We were coming to terms that this would be an unsolved murder. It doesn't make any sense.


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[Assistant] So at first, I think before they knew what the evidence was, people in their lives were just like,


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[Assistant] No, there's no way Nancy could have done this, but then they're sitting there through the trial and they see the surveillance footage, the multiple life insurance taken out, the


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[Assistant] A grand jury indicted her on one count of murder with a firearm constituting domestic violence, to which she pled, I'm sure you'll be amazed, not guilty.


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[Assistant] And of course they were all chelping at the bit to get the story out about the woman who wrote the wrong husband and how to murder your husband. But.


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[Assistant] Reporters were actually having a tough time lighting up any interviews with the Brophy's friends, family, or anybody at the school.


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[Assistant] Their request to those people went almost entirely ignored. And actually, Daniel's students and his friends had quote, made a pact to stay silent out of respect for a man who in life valued his privacy.


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[Assistant] So in the months after Nancy's arrest, the county judge imposed a protective order actually.


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[Assistant] Which barred the release of any information or evidence related to the case on the grounds that it might jeopardize the investigation.


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[Assistant] But by April 2019, the news had gone national.


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[Assistant] And because of that, Nancy's attorney tried to have the protection order extended.


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[Assistant] Essentially arguing that if any more coverage or any more information got released, Nancy wouldn't get a fair trial. But the prosecutor, Sean Overstreet, completely disagreed and he argued,


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[Assistant] All of the information being shared was fact, it was just damning, and that's why the defense wanted it left out.


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[Assistant] So ultimately the judge agreed with the prosecution and the order was lifted.


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[Assistant] Yeah, agreed. So as the prosecution and the defense did their thing, detectives actually kept on investigating, gathering more and more evidence against our girl, Nance, who was not our girl at all.


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[Assistant] The gun confiscated from Nancy was the exact make and model used in the killing of Daniel.


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[Assistant] The match of gun but mismatch of the bullet seemed too much of a coincidence for the investigators.


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[Assistant] So they dug deeper into Nancy's activities and they found a possible explanation.


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[Assistant] And that's when they ended up finding out that she had bought separate parts for a Glock 9mm handgun on eBay. Meaning...


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[Assistant] The gun could be a match for the murder weapon, it just had a different slide and barrel, and that's why Nancy thought she was gonna get away with it.


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[Assistant] Wow, she literally thought to like replace different- I would- I don't- I don't even think I knew before this that you could replace different parts and like mix match gun parts. I thought they all just had to like line up together like a Lego set or something. But-


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[Assistant] I think, like you were saying in the beginning, I think she just had to have been delusional if she thought she was gonna get away with this.


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[Assistant] It's like no, it's tied together by actual surveillance footage of you outside of a murder scene.


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[Assistant] The case ended up finally going to trial on April 4th, 2022. There were tons of delays because of COVID. Her lawyers actually tried to get her released from prison.


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[Assistant] Uh, because of like, covid complications, they were like, she's in danger, this is like...


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[Assistant] A violation of her rights, and they were like, she waived a bail hearing, so unless you wanna have a bail hearing, like, we can talk then, but...


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[Assistant] If not, you're sitting in prison. And even if you do talk about a bail hearing, you're most likely sitting in prison. You're awaiting trial for murder.


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[Assistant] But they were off to the races with prosecutor Sean Overstreet arguing on behalf of the state.


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[Assistant] The judge actually had decided to exclude the how to murder your husband blog post from the evidence on the grounds that quote, any minimal probate of value is substantially outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice and a confusion of the issues. So I think basically what he was saying is that like, it might be confusing to the jury. And that's kind of what I got out of that. I don't agree, but I can see where like, maybe it would have been an issue.


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[Assistant] They were okay with that because they had actually planned in their argument to minimize that.


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[Assistant] Post anyway, because they had stronger evidence, so they were okay with it being omitted.


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[Assistant] In his opening statement, prosecutor Overstreet told the jury that even though a good amount of their evidence was circumstantial,


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[Assistant] They planned and believed they could show that it was greed that motivated Nancy to kill her husband back in 2018.


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[Assistant] She thinks she's entitled to a certain lifestyle and she's gonna do whatever she needs to do to get there.


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[Assistant] And I think she also got more and more desperate as they were losing more and more money, and she wanted to be able to spend money on things that she wanted, but she couldn't because he was the only person making money and she was not. And how fucking old was she at this point? She's like, I wanna say she's like in her late 50s, early 60s.


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[Assistant] I think that it depends on who you are. I think.


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[Assistant] If you've gotten what you, if you've gotten what you wanted out of life.


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[Assistant] So far, if you get to like age 50, 60, I would assume that material items would mean less to you. But I guess if you're not getting what you want out of life, then it's gonna mean more to you. I think it just,


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[Assistant] I think it really depends on the kind of person you are and how much material things mean to you. I think she was a very materialistic person it seems.


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[Assistant] And I, and like you were saying, I think she was always out for number one.


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[Assistant] And as Overstreet, again the prosecutor, put it to the jury, Dan Brophy was worth almost 1.5 million dollars to Nancy if he was dead.


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[Assistant] But worth a life of financial hardship if he stayed alive.


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[Assistant] Like putting a value on how much Drew is worth to me, like a money, a monetary value.


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[Assistant] So over the course of 11 days, the prosecution supported their argument by showing the surveillance footage of Nancy at the school on the morning of the-


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[Assistant] Morning of the murders, and then search history and data from her computer, which showed the purchase of the additional parts for the Glock, the multiple life insurance policies,


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[Assistant] That would have provided a payoff altogether once they found the other ones of nearly $800,000. Jesus.


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[Assistant] And then the jury also heard from 47 witnesses, including everybody from the OCI, which by the way, I think I said OSI earlier. I'm sorry. I meant to say OCI. I definitely did. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But they heard from the facilities manager at the school, several of the students who actually were the ones to find Daniel. They heard from Daniel's father Jack Brophy and several of the couple's friends.


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[Assistant] One of the witnesses that helped the prosecution significantly actually came from a financial analyst named Stephen Santos.


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[Assistant] Cause again, when they met with that financial advisor earlier, they said, even if you sell your house, even if you sell your land, you're still going to end up in the red.


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[Assistant] I think she had gotten them so much in the red that even with the money that she would have gotten from Daniel, she, like, she still potentially could have been in the red.


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[Assistant] No, and eventually I think even if, even if she like did end up in the green a bit,


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[Assistant] It was only a matter of time before she ended up in the red again.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I mean, it's crazy. I'm sure like how fast that money could go. Like you see it when people win the lottery and like stuff like that. Like obviously a million dollars is a lot of money, but when you are spending it with like absolutely no regard, I'm sure it's going to go quickly.


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[Assistant] Nancy Crampton Brophy has always been thoroughly, madly, crazy in love with Daniel Brophy, and she still is to this day. For Nancy Brophy, he was perfect.


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[Assistant] Why'd she uh, write a whole entire article on how to murder your husband while she was married to a perfectly great husband?


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[Assistant] No, she literally, that wasn't even to the insurance, that was to the detective. She said, can I get a letter clearing me as a, as like saying I'm not a suspect, and they were like.


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[Assistant] And then she, she went on to try and explain every point that the prosecution had made away. She said the ghost, this is the defense attorney, the ghost gun kit and the Glock were merely research for Nancy's writing.


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[Assistant] I'm like, I host a true crime podcast and never have I ever bought a Glock on eBay.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and you were saying all of her friends had this specific kind of gun, so use theirs for your fucking research.


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[Assistant] Uh, for how to cover up a murder were also just for research.


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[Assistant] And then she offered the alternative theory that Brophy had actually been killed by a local unhoused man seen in the area that morning.


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[Assistant] The theory was very quickly dismissed by Detective Anthony Merrill, who told the jury


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[Assistant] He and his partner had located the man and determined he was never a threat and he pointed out Daniel had been shot but nothing had been taken.


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[Assistant] Like, hello. And he said, she was also being a little racist when she did this, because the uhm,


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[Assistant] Now the most dramatic moment came on day 21 of the trial when Nancy took the stand to testify in her own defense. And as we know from the clip you showed us, this was a big yikes.


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[Assistant] During questioning from the defense, she tried to explain away the more damning aspects of the prosecution's arguments. She told the jury she was a very thorough researcher, hence all the guns. She and Daniel were very much in love, and they were working on solving their financial problems.


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[Assistant] And then she admitted, yes, she had purchased that replacement Glock barrel and slide from the seller on eBay, but it was because she was, quote, obsessed with gun parts and that the missing parts were surely in storage somewhere.


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[Assistant] So, some of her testimony seemed plausible in some way, but other parts were downright ridiculous. She said she had no memory of leaving the house on the morning of the murder, and she didn't know what she was doing on the surveillance camera footage.


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[Assistant] She said, you know, maybe I was struggling to write and I went out to clear my head.


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[Assistant] And a psychiatrist for the defense testified it was possible.


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[Assistant] That Nancy was suffering from what's called retrograde amnesia.


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[Assistant] But the prosecutor challenged that claim and said to Nancy, if you can't remember anything, how could you be sure you didn't kill your husband?


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[Assistant] She was like uuuh. She said, I see Dan every day. I talk to him every day. This is not a man I would have shot because I had a memory issue. It seems to me if I shot him, I would know every detail.


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[Assistant] So after 25 days of evidence and testimony, closing arguments were presented on May 23rd, 2022. So not that long ago. Overstreet focused on Nancy's convenient claim of amnesia.


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[Assistant] The physical evidence, the forensic evidence that linked her to the crime, including the purchases of the guns, the surveillance footage and in closing,


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[Assistant] He turned the defense's argument back onto them and reminded the jury,


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[Assistant] Now, in closing arguments for the defense, Nancy's attorneys focused on the purely circumstantial nature of the case and reminded the jury that the prosecution's case couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.


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[Assistant] Instead, they emphasize that throughout the trial, the jury repeatedly heard how happy Nancy and Daniel were together.


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[Assistant] Maxfield even said at one point that the best proven fact during the trial was that Nancy and Dan loved each other.


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[Assistant] Nah, I think that she murdered him. And then, because after she was like, they loved each other.


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[Assistant] She was like, there were other possible assailants in the area, then she claimed the police had ignored them, which was not true.


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[Assistant] And also, why are you saying there are multiple other assailants when the only person you brought up in the first place was just an unhoused man minding his own business? You dingus.


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[Assistant] I did. You're not wrong. I thought I was going to move past that, but I didn't. As salons. So on May 25th, 2022, after eight hours of deliberation, I can't even believe it took them that long, the jury returned with a unanimous guilty verdict for the second degree murder of Daniel Brophy.


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[Assistant] Sentencing was held on June 13th, and that's when they did victim impact statements.


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[Assistant] I think that was his, um, from like his first marriage.


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[Assistant] So before pronouncing his sentence, the judge addressed the family saying, I think the thing that you can take away, which I hope gives you some small measure of solace, is that he was a mentor and a teacher to many and hopefully they will turn and have an impact on others themselves as they teach.


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[Assistant] And with that said, he sentenced Nancy to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years. And then lifetime went on to make the movie called How to Murder Your Husband, the Nancy Brophy story, which I have not watched.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. Just like a really sad story overall because it just didn't need to happen.


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[Assistant] I know, seriously. Seriously. But Caleb, thank you so much for joining me, doggy!


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[Assistant] Or, Guppatomi. So, those people.


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[Assistant] Sidebar, my friend, uhm, went to, what's that restaurant that they film at?


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[Assistant] So my friend, one of my very best friends, as all this drama was happening was like, got reservations at TomTom with their friends to see if anything would go down.


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[Assistant] Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Listener tale, on the fly, are you ready? Yes, always.


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[Assistant] I have this friend, and uhm, yeaah, uh, someone from my friend's, friend's family.


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[Assistant] Brother, sister, they're both married, okay? Brother and sister are married to their own partners, kay? Sister's got a husband, brother's got a wife.


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[Assistant] Sister's husband, brother's wife, start having an affair.


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[Assistant] their partners because the affair gets brought to light.


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[Assistant] And they go on to let Charlay have kids, and they're still married.


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[Assistant] It's the only example of a relationship started out of like a full adulterous affair where they didn't end up. So it's like the whole thing of like, oh don't start your relationship and affair because it won't work out.


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[Assistant] It's not, it's always not true, like sometimes people do have horrific affairs and then they do end up together.


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[Assistant] It's just really good. And it's like way better than other apocalyptic shows. Like it's so good. Like it literally is.


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[Assistant] taste and you should follow your it's like not worth it and it's bad.


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[Assistant] It's very, it's very, that part is very hideous and unfair. I know. Especially figure skating. It's so expensive and geographically prohibitive figure skating.


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[Assistant] Michelle won her last world medal, which was bronze, in 04. So you would have been 7 by then, so I believe.


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[Assistant] If you murdered someone, you might feel depressed, so maybe you would want a dog, cause you feel less sad.


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[Assistant] What a fucking flaming pile of garbage.


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[Assistant] But it does, it does speak to the failure of our education system, that like, that's how people think that like, you should like, let me teach you, 401k, better fucking invest that shit, like what do you mean?


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[Assistant] Or on that murder track for the ensure the will money, it's.


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[Assistant] It's like addiction and that's not who your soul is or whatever, but it's really fucked up.


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[Assistant] Wouldn't they have seen that the blows to the head were like pre-mortem and post-mortem, like falling down, like, wouldn't that be, like, would that be something that they could tell?