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[Assistant] Good question, uh, Howitz91. Appreciate the, uh, appreciate the question. So that's awesome. We're gonna switch it up this week, uh, on the pod. All you loyal listeners that listen to us every week, uh, as you know, we normally start with the 450 and we break that down, but we're gonna reverse it, uh, today.


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[Assistant] Uh, for today's episode and talk about 250 first. So, uh, really excited about that United Motorsports moment of the night. I think this needs to be noticed is, uh,


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[Assistant] This is Austin Forkner. Incredible win. Uhm, I talked about it, uhm, you know, on the broadcast. It doesn't come as a surprise. You can see right here, uh, for those of you just listening, we are watching a replay of Austin. I mean, number one, uh, historically he's been a great starter his whole career.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the guy has always had a lot of speed. It's just making it to through the complete season has been really his, uh, his Achilles heel and he hasn't been able to do that, uh, his whole professional career. So for me, this doesn't come at it as a surprise. I'm stoked for him. I'm also stoked for, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, Mitch Payton and the whole crew at, uh, Monster Energy Pro Circuit Kawasaki team, they've, uh, they've had a rough go, uh, at


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[Assistant] Rough go, the last, I mean, for a while they have, but, uh, your United Motorsports moment of the night this week goes to, uh, Austin Forkner in an incredible win.


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[Assistant] In his program, you can talk about it. And, uh, like is this is for a couple things. What do you think about the change?


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[Assistant] Was it surprising to you? And do you like where he's at and like, what are you looking for in Austin Forgner?


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[Assistant] Well, you think about a guy like Austin Fortner too, very similar to Adam Cianciarulo's, uhm, situation where they came up.


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[Assistant] Through the, uh, kawasaki team green program, which for those of you who don't know, that's, uh, kawasaki's amateur program, uh, you know, basically since these, these guys were.


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[Assistant] Okay, and they come up through there. So you think about the dollars, uh, that these guys, this company has invested in these two athletes in particular and still haven't reached what I would say their full potential, uh, for whatever reasons.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, you know, it's, it's, it's, I, I'm, that's why, and I think for you too, RV, like, I, that's why I'm happy for Mitch. I'm, I'm pumped for Kawasaki. Cause when you spend, you know, when you spend all this money and, and you support these riders, you want, you want to see it pay off in the long run. So I'm happy for them. I think the biggest thing for me.


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[Assistant] I think I talked about it on the post-race, uh, SMX insider post-race show about what I'm looking for for, for Austin.


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[Assistant] Is to see if he can close it out finally. I think he's gonna be challenged, uh, a bit more. I think for all intents and purposes and conversations on our, on our show, RV.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was a game changer for everyone falling. It doesn't mean that he wouldn't have win. I'm not saying that, but you...


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[Assistant] You know, we gotta do our job and it just needs to be noted. There were some guys that, uh, could have possibly been, uh, uhm, have challenged him.


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[Assistant] Uh, and not taking away the ride from Heimas or Anstey by any stretch, but, uh, would love to see, uh, you know, more guys up front. So, uh, great job, Austin. Uh, that's our United Motorsports moment of the night.


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[Assistant] Uh, great company, uh, so that's it. And, uh, just a fantastic, a fantastic ride.


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[Assistant] Uh, by Austin. You know one thing that I will say, RV, and I don't know if you saw something that I didn't. I never really saw a moment where I was like, oh man, he's gonna go down. Like, he seemed totally in control.


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[Assistant] For sure. Uhm, I think the biggest hot topic, uhm, I think across the board.


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[Assistant] Uh, outside of McAdoo, uh, but it was that first turn crash and the, uh, the box down break, uh, box no breakdown, uh, this week.


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[Assistant] Is the, uh, 250 first turn crash. We had a ton of engagement from our listeners and viewers.


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[Assistant] Uh, this week, uh, what our thoughts were and.


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[Assistant] We're gonna break it down. We have multiple views. Myself personally, I like this, uh, head-on shot, kind of overhead, uh, head-on shot. Really, uhm, shows what happened, uhm, step by step. And, you know, I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you break it down.


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[Assistant] From the top and our producer Aaron's going to have to do some fancy footwork here. But, uh, man, that's a shot of Evan Ferry just getting absolutely pummeled. Uh,


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[Assistant] Oh dude, I felt so bad for him and, uh, but anyhow, uh, Aaron, if you can roll the head on shot in RV, you take a crack at it and tell us what went down.


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[Assistant] Yeah, hopefully, uhm, RV gave it, uh, gave you guys some clarity.


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[Assistant] Or, uh, you know, on, on the situation, why wasn't the red flag thrown? Uh, should it have been thrown? Listen, it's not at, uh, our, you know,


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[Assistant] We don't make the rules. Uhm, I think it was the right call. I mean, again, to be clear, in this case, everyone was up and mobile and a clear path for the bikes to traverse around and on a flat surface, it's posed minimal risk to the advanced advancing riders. That's why, uh, the red flag was not, was not thrown in this situation.


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[Assistant] Is it discretional sometimes? Of course it is. And uhm, you know, I think if the, if the track kinda, I think you, you talked about it, RV, if the track was jammed up and clogged up.


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[Assistant] Possibly they would have thrown the red flag. So hopefully that gives you some sort of clarity. Again, I know some of y'all ain't gonna, uh, uh.


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[Assistant] You're not gonna agree with that, but it is what it is. Uhm, that leads me to a question and my mind escapes me. I was looking through our fan questions, RV, and I'm bummed that I didn't remember the person who asked this, but uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, one of our fan questions RV asked, uh, the metal grates. Do you think that the metal grates in it making a, making it a bit even for everyone else coming out of the gate?


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[Assistant] Do you think that's why so many guys are stacked up on each other and there's not enough, uh, difference in between riders or not, not necessarily?


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[Assistant] Uh, Gavin Underscore Angel asked that. Dude, good stuff. So the question, his original question was, do you think the starting great had anything to do with the first turn pile up with all the guys getting near perfect traction? Seems like it would have caused more bikes in the first turn resulting in more crashes. So.


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[Assistant] Great, uh, RV's on, he's on it today. Uh, I think you're going to love later on in the show what he's got to, uh, how he's going to break a few things down. It's going to be epic. So you got to stay tuned, uh, on the 450 breakdown. It's going to be good. I, um, I, I kind of agree with you, RV, I think from a certain standpoint.


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[Assistant] But in this particular situation with the 90 degree first corner, I think that these guys are fighting so hard to get the, you know, to get the wheel on their competitor, especially in a 90 degree corner that they just got a little excited. You know, I think, you know, Hamaker.


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[Assistant] I think at one stage when, uh, Henry Miller started to like close in on him, he kept the gas on for just a split second too much. And when I talk about split second, dude, I'm talking like a foot maximum to, to, to,


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[Assistant] And right, right here. So right there, you see Max, so right there he should have let off. Like right when Max started to close him down, if you can go back, just one more, one more click.


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[Assistant] Should have rolled out a little bit right here. I just, I, I feel like it. He was getting squeezed out.


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[Assistant] He holds onto it. I appreciate him wanting to do the best that he can, but then he collides with Miller and then looks like his handlebar maybe hit the seat or maybe jersey of Vial and then the rest is history.


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[Assistant] Is it a popular opinion? I don't know. That's what I think happened. These guys are fighting for it. I understand that sometimes you gotta be, you gotta be mindful and dude, just take your pill, right? Take your pill, dude.


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[Assistant] Do you, uh, do you think, um, this comes from Rich Lane? He put on the incredible Title 24 live, uh, live show last week at Anaheim. He asks,


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[Assistant] Should Supercross get rid of the whole shot device? Let me ask you this. You answer his question, and do you think that the whole shot device makes a bigger impact on these guys coming out so evenly, especially the first 10 feet, uh,


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[Assistant] Do you think that makes more of a difference than the greats do?


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[Assistant] The, the starting technique, it would be fun to see which rider and which teams could react.


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[Assistant] That's the Boxo Breakdown for the week. That's it. That was a lot. Uh, hopefully you guys enjoy what we had to say. Uh, I love chopping it up on that, on that stuff. I don't like 90 degree first corners myself personally.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I just, they narrow up so much and then like, if one little thing goes wrong, the margin of error is just so high.


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[Assistant] Yep. Uhm, Hayden Deegan, uhm, dude, he was, looks like he was pretty fired up, uh, a couple times. Uhm, I saw him giving the, uh, California, California howdy, uh, going, uh, not right there, it's hard to tell there. Thought, looks like he, uh, threw up a deuce sign.


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[Assistant] Kind of, kind of hard to tell his bike is torched. Uh, yep. There you go. Yeah, that was.


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[Assistant] That was, I don't know, I think he should have maybe watched the replay first.


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[Assistant] You know, it wasn't Vial's fault. I had heard that he was flicking off Vial.


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[Assistant] I'm just passing the trash. That's what I heard, RV. Uhm, I could understand his frustration. Uhm, so G underscore wine asks, is Danger Boy still in the title fight? Was such a short series. Uh, he only got six points. Uh, what, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, I do, we're sitting here talking about it after the first round RV and I'm surprised that he salvaged six points straight up. Like, because once we saw it, like we didn't really watch him much on the broadcast. So I, you know, I only saw what every, all the viewers saw and I didn't even know that he salvaged six points until right now. So, uh,


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[Assistant] That uh, you know, we might be looking back come Salt Lake City time and be like, dang.


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[Assistant] To, to RV's point, he's, uh, he's pretty much in a much situation. Uh, he's gonna have to have some luck for sure. And yeah, I'm just repeating what RV said. He's, he's gonna have to have some luck. He's gonna have to, he's gonna have to win and we're just gonna have to watch it play out. That's, that's the cool thing about it. So, uh, he's gonna have to perform.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we'll see what happens. Uh, Charlton74 asked, do you think this couple of, uh, week break is good for Deegan's wrist and also his mentality? I know I, myself personally, I think his mentality is fine. Certainly better, uh, if the wrist is, is really bothering him. It's hard to tell. I knew he took some time off. Uh,


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[Assistant] His dad, Brian, talked to Will Christian before the race, uh, and he, and he wasn't able to ride for three to four weeks because of the bad risks. Uh, the team gave him the option cause it was a consideration that he might not race this race, take it off and then come to, uh, what'd it be? Arlington is their next race in two weeks time.


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[Assistant] Uh, three weeks time, no, two weeks time, uh, two, no, three weeks, that's right, cause we got, uh, what is it, Glendale, week off, then Arlington.


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[Assistant] So, three Saturdays, uhm, I, I think you'll, I, I, I don't think his mentality's messed up, myself personally.


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[Assistant] That's it for Deegan. Thanks for the, uh, questions on Deegs. Uh, Anstee, dude, he, so there was a lot of chatter throughout the, uh, off season, how well he was doing at the test track. And I'm a, I'm an Anstee fan. I feel like his, uh,


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[Assistant] His, his career has been rejuvenated. He's gotten a second chance, especially on this firepower Honda team, jumping back down to the 250 class.


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[Assistant] Massive kudos to, uh, Chance Hymas. Love seeing that. I, I'm not sure what happened. I guess he fell on the last lap. He ended up tense. So that sucks for him, but he rode great. And then I mean, Anstey was dogging him, dude. He was all over him.


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[Assistant] And uhm, he, uh, he did really well, withstood the pressure and just really looked like he focused on hitting his marks and when Anstey was going to pass him.


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[Assistant] in, uh, Arlington, uh, and Steve, I, I think had he gotten by, um, hi, miss a little earlier, I think that maybe he could have challenged, um, Austin, um, possibly for the win.


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[Assistant] Uh, we'll never know, but I was, um, I wasn't surprised by Anstee's ride and how about were you?


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[Assistant] He, he, he is so fun. He did awesome. I think to your point.


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[Assistant] Having another year in the 250 continuing to build that confidence and, and RV, you know how it is when you run up front like that, you just, you, you, you build so much as a person and it gives you that inner confidence that, that you need. And hopefully he can pay that forward. I think it'd be, I mean, could you imagine if you, you talked about the other manufacturers triumph?


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[Assistant] You got beta, you got Ducati as well. They'll be hopping into the 450 stuff, I believe next year as well. Both, all these manufacturers, well beta's already there.


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[Assistant] I think it'd be cool if, uh, Anstey was on Triumph. He's a, he's, you know, British company having a British, uh, rider. That'd be, yeah, that'd be, that'd be kind of cool.


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[Assistant] Benik dude, so I was watching Benik and, uh, he ended up third, uh, fantastic rookie debut for that guy. He rode superb all night and what I was blown away with RV is like watching him like in practice. He never really had any scary moments. He was just, just kind of.


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[Assistant] Puttin' in his laps, honestly, not overriding and he was well deserved of this, uh, of this finish. It was, uh, I wouldn't say it was surprising.


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[Assistant] But I loved his demeanor and how he looked like he had been racing supercross for many, many years, dude.


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[Assistant] How well he did and the composure that he had and just how he was just so focused on him, on himself, I felt like. So I, I expect he's going to continue to get that build confidence each and every week as he's in these situations. It's going to be a lot of fun to watch these young rookies progress. Uh, some other notables, Jaleik Swole.


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[Assistant] Uh, sixth place, uh, Cody shot. Great job as well. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And, uh, yeah, that was a, uh, Jalik Swole dude. He had to, he had to work for it. He got punted off the track by Pierce Brown in the heat race.


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[Assistant] Uh, not sure what that was all about, but yeah, Brown, I mean, he went up the track, crossed the, uh, across the ruts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, I, yeah, I'm not sure what happened. I had asked the, uh, team guys at triumph, like, were they beefing before this? And they're like, no, it just kind of came out of nowhere. So that.


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[Assistant] That was interesting to see. So he had to work to get a transfer from the heat to the main event. He did that and then he went down.


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, in that first turn and, uh, kind of fought up through there. Got a few gifts here and there, but at the end of the day, uh, I think it was a solid run for him, a solid, uh, performance for the team. Hated to see, uh, uh, Evan go down in the first corner. Uhm, but, uh, solid, solid debut for these guys. Uhm,


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[Assistant] Who, uh, for the 250 class, who gets the, uh, um, hanging it all out award for the hardest ride? Camera McAdoo, maybe.


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[Assistant] That's what he did. Hey Cameron, uhm, if you listen to the show, we want to commend you brother.


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[Assistant] Uh, you have taken it like a champ. Maybe you're looking down there doing an assessment like, uh-oh, uh, we got, we got a problem here, Houston.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's not an x-rated show, so we have to tiptoe lightly of what we show on here, what we're gonna talk about on here, and our wording, but, uh, uh, before we talk...


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[Assistant] If what happened to Makadu happens to you, are you pulling over?


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[Assistant] Yeah, dude, you got to. Especially champion, to your point, RV, like what RV's saying. He considers himself as a championship guy. He is, you look at the speed, uhm,


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[Assistant] He's, he's there. So unfortunately you just gotta, you gotta bite, you gotta bite the bullet and go out there and it's gonna be what it's gonna be. Take it like a champ. In my mind, he's the people's champ dude. Like he's taking it well. We've seen memes about him and, uh,


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[Assistant] I mean, uh, you just gotta own it. Like that's what he's been doing. And, uh, I hate that for him. Right. But is, I always feel like he's.


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[Assistant] There's always some hot topic about him. I always go back to that crash at, uh, Atlanta Motor Speedway that he had.


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[Assistant] Respect the heck out of you for continuing to go on. It just shows your determination and the type of competitor that you are. I hate that it happened to anyone, especially yourself.


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[Assistant] I mean, like everybody in the industry, I'm sure that, uh, I mean, we were going back and forth of every single slang or sentence that you could use of like throwing it out there or, you know, man, it really, that was a,


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[Assistant] Detroit 450, uh, recap. Jet Lawrence back on top of the box. Uh, certainly a few scary moments. Remember y'all when, uh, I was telling you, hey, RV had some great insight.


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[Assistant] And what, uh, what he was going to talk about, uh, on a couple of the scary moments, a gnarly scary moment for, uh, Jet. Um, Aaron, go ahead and roll this. So, so Jet says he hits neutral here.


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[Assistant] No, and you know what, I was watching, uh, Weege's, uh, little post race, uh, download that he does when he walks through the pits, uh, with his, with this camera, and he talked to, uh, uh, Dazzy.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I really liked what Dazzy said, RV, and I think you would have been the same way as well. He's like, yeah, it was a win. Obviously they love winning the, winning the races, but at the same time he's like.


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[Assistant] I mean, really he didn't do anything spectacular, uh, and it wasn't a great race. That mistake, um, I'm sure he was referencing that. There was a few moments.


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[Assistant] Uh, he, you know, that I can't remember verbatim what he said, but he's like, yeah, it wasn't the best race. He did what he did. He, you know, he executed the start, went and won the race, but he could have been better.


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[Assistant] Um, again, I'm not saying verbatim what Dazzy said. I like that. I think, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you were like this, but I was like this sometimes RV, like you just have these rides where you're like, ah, just, yeah, I won. That's great. But it was.


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[Assistant] I'm better than what, uh, what I showed tonight, even with the, even with the win. I mean, I respect that out of Dazzy. I mean, and I look back at the ride. Yeah, he did, he did great. It was cool to see him win, but it was really just kind of nonchalant win for me, I think.


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[Assistant] Got to thank a new partner this year tagging along title 24 Dunlop tires. We appreciate you guys best tire in the business. I saw that, uh, one of the riders in the premier class, Dylan Ferrandes switched and was using, uh, Dunlops this week. So, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm feeling like he is gaining an advantage there. I don't know that his results spoke for that, but, uh, he, he has decided to go with the leader.


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[Assistant] Uh, in tires in this series and that's Dunlop. So for our Dunlop due diligence section.


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[Assistant] Dude, I wanted to give, uh, Eli the benefit of the doubt.


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[Assistant] What, what in the world do you think happened there? Like just straight up arm pump or what? I haven't, I like, I don't even want to, I don't even want to call him and ask him and be like, dude, cause I don't want to be disrespectful, you know, like.


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[Assistant] I think he went all the way down to 11th, I think. Don't hold me there. I do know this much, he got lapped.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he did. Dude, like, I mean, we've all been tight, you know, when I say tight, arm pump and like, I mean, dude, like what? He was second, right? Wasn't he second, second or third? Then he gets mad.


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[Assistant] Well, the, the, like, it's, it's been known. Yeah, there he goes, uh, watching the replay.


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[Assistant] Actually, Sexton got by him really quick there on the second corner in that 180, so it was third. Uhm, I forgot about Sexton getting by him there that early, but uhm, it's crazy because Eli, you know, and he said this, so I'm not, I'm not just, you know, making up anything that when he's not comfortable,


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[Assistant] And this happened at Tampa last year. I think he ended up, what was it, fifth? And that was a tough, tough night, uh, for a couple of reasons. It was super slippery and the rain was intermittent. So, you know, not knowing what, you know, what the dirt was going to give you or what you could get away with, uh, vice versa.


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[Assistant] Uh, those are tricky conditions to ride on. So, and he even said, he's like, dude, I didn't feel great. And you know, I felt, you know, that I just needed to get through the night. And then he went on a run after that.


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[Assistant] That's kinda like when he started to go backwards, I'm like, ah, he just, you know, he must have arm pump and those conditions, as you know, RV.


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[Assistant] Uh, it are super hard to ride when it's ruddy like that. The rhythm lanes aren't that long and you know, the jumps aren't flowing well because of the ruts. It's super hard to hold on to your motorcycle and you feel sketchy. But when he kept going back and kept going back and kept going back, I just.


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[Assistant] I'm like, is there something wrong with the motorcycle? Just because a guy like that, you know, you just don't, even with the worst of arm pumps, you don't go back that far, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a big points loss, so he dropped the 16 points. He's 16 points back off of the lead.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeah, that was tough. I mean, dude, I don't know, without talking to him in respect to him, I didn't want to sit here and text him and ask him like, dude, what happened? I just, I know I wouldn't want someone to ask me.


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[Assistant] Uh, especially coming off of a, of a bad weekend like that. Like, I mean, fifth is different. Like, hey, I got tight. You know, I just, you know, like, like I'm referencing Tampa. So I'm sure we'll hear a little bit more. Um, at the end of the day, I just, we'll, we'll switch to Chase Sexton after this RV, but.


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[Assistant] Dude, that guy has the answer to no one. Uh, he's the second-winningest rider in Supercross history. He's a two-time Supercross champ, multi-time, uh, MX champ, and dude, the guy has, has made a great living. And you know what? If, if the end of the road is near, who cares?


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[Assistant] Who cares, man? I just wanna, I wanna celebrate his good rides and watch him when he's on, right? I wanna watch him when he's on and enjoy those moments. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Chase Sexton dude, he grabs a red plate from his teammate.


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[Assistant] And uh, AP did really well actually. He uh, I think that he was a little slow off the start. He got a bad start, so he was in back of the pack and he was losing some ground early, but he made a push.


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[Assistant] He made a push, uh, the second half of the race, but this guy, Chase Sexton, really, really uneventful. He held Jet pretty close for about half of the race and then he made some mistakes.


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[Assistant] Uh, he had one in the whoops, uh, he talked about it a little bit. But the interesting thing, RV.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we had a sound bite and I was going to talk about it, but, or, or play it, uh, that they, they talked to him.


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[Assistant] Uh, how he's been pretty vocal about how he keeps testing and wanting to get better.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think that's, that's not in the spot you want to be. You know, I mean, when you, when you change from one team to another, you're hoping that, you know, you know, it's not a parallel, it's not a lateral move. It's a, you know, or.


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[Assistant] He keeps saying that he needs to test, that they're getting better, they're getting better, so, like, getting better, uhm, isn't there.


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[Assistant] Uh, so that's what I'm keeping in my mind. Does he have the points lead? Yes, he does. Uhm, uh, I will say this. Uhm, I wrote this in my notes.


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[Assistant] And I say how much is, uh, he's been much more consistent this year, RV. I say how much is his consistency is due to the new bike versus him just growing as a rider. So you take the past two years and the mistakes that he's made, and we've been super critical of him for good reason.


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[Assistant] How much, like, can we say it's because of the bike? Or do we give him more of the credit of him?


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[Assistant] Changing his, his mindset and not going over that limit and keeping it on two wheels. Like what?


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[Assistant] What is your feel or your reaction for there? Like how much is it the bike and how much is it him just, you know, checking up? What do you think?


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[Assistant] That's what I was gonna, that's what I was gonna tee you up on is like, you know, some of the, some of our, uh, people that are gonna go back and forth with us.


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[Assistant] Uh, some of our fans or people that listen or watch our show RV, they're going to be like, yeah, but he's got the red plate and I'm, I'm with you.


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[Assistant] He has. He's showed great composure. Looking at the, uh, unofficial points right now. Uh, Chase Sexton has 98 points. Lawrence is one point back.


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[Assistant] Uh, Plessinger is two points back, Cooper Webb is six points back and then a fairly decent gap. Eight points behind Cooper Webb is Jason Anderson in fifth place, Eli Tomac 16 points back, then Kenny's 21 and so on. Starts to get, get out of hand at that stage, so.


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[Assistant] I like his composure. I wonder how much of the difference is the bike versus, uh, chase just getting better, uh, and learning from his mistakes, which is obviously the progression that you want to have.


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, I think as the series winds up getting closer to the end, and you have to assume that some guys are going to get better along with Chase, I believe to your point, RV, he's going to have to find a little bit more fire, a little bit, a little more speed. He did say that, uh, on the podium.


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[Assistant] If you remember, RV said that in these type, those type conditions at Detroit, he felt a lot more comfortable.


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[Assistant] And he was better in those conditions than he was on the Honda. I don't know how true that is. Maybe it was just a stab towards them, but uh, anyhow, I don't know.


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[Assistant] What you got, dude? Where you at right now with it? Where you at?


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[Assistant] Or no, that's not Kayla J, I'm guessing, there's no way. Well, maybe shit. Webb blamed his bad start, uh, on his gate pick. But, he was next to Jett, who got the whole shot. Uhm, I would say, yeaah, he was next to Jett.


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[Assistant] But, RV, you know, and you can explain to the people and our viewers and to answer, uh, Kayla's question. Just because he was next to Jett doesn't mean that the gate and the conditions after the gate were comparable to what Jett was on, right?


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[Assistant] But that's where, yeaah, that's where he said he's got to eliminate the mistakes in the heat races. So he does, so he does have a good pick and he is exactly right. I think one thing about Coop.


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[Assistant] Is he's going to call it like it is we're watching where he lays it down. Uh, yeah, that, that stings because eventually I think he went from what he, I think, I think he only had the eighth pick because he wasn't the fastest heat race.


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[Assistant] So uhm, instead of being the 7th pick, he would have been the 8th pick, or however, however it worked out. So, and that stings, for sure. And I think like, Coop's gonna be honest, he's gonna call a spade a spade, and if he messes up, he owns it.


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[Assistant] Uh, for sure. I think that this year, RV, the starts, going back to the starts before we get to our quad lock question of the week.


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[Assistant] I feel like they're always important, we know that, but I feel what is that we need to watch is if you have a guy like,


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[Assistant] Cooper who gets the whole shot and then you have say a sexton or.


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[Assistant] Or, or, or a jet gets a fifth to sixth place start. I think it's going to be hard for those guys to beat a guy like Coop.


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[Assistant] Take it, take this week. If you get a guy like Jett that gets the whole shot.


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[Assistant] And then Coop is way back. Yeah. He just was, yeah, he was laid off the gate. He's lucky he didn't crash.


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[Assistant] Um, then you get a guy like Koop that starts bad and like the roles are reversed and he's six. It's going to be really, really, really hard to reel in that gap just because you're going to lose so much track position. You know, the first five, five, six laps until he can get into a spot where he could possibly make up time. I just.


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[Assistant] That's where those situations are going to be interesting to watch this year. I feel like, who the hell?


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[Assistant] Before we get to the end of the show and we do a little NBC promo, we got the quad lock question of the week.


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[Assistant] As well, some really good people over there. Uh, quad lock question of the week. The winner is Paul Marner.


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[Assistant] One bad race has massive consequences in the regional championships. What do you think?


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[Assistant] I mean, dude, you give up a game in college football, you're out of the playoffs, not, not necessarily. So don't beat me up people. I understand like now with the playoff system, but before the playoff system dude,


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[Assistant] Like every game means something. You can't lay up like, like in the NFL or MLB or NBA, you know, like everything, every race is, means something. It's a little extra.


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[Assistant] There you go. I'm with you. I'm kinda like, I'm torn between it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, would it be cool, you know, cause like NASCAR and the Xfinity series is similar. I don't think they have as many, uh, races as the Cup series does. Uhm, you know, what does that look like from a cost standpoint, you know?


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't know. I'm with you. That's, it's a big jump going from nine races to your point RV to, you know, going 14 to, and if they did the full series, 17.


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[Assistant] It's, it's big and especially the younger, especially the younger guys, it would, I feel like it would be tough on them. Uh, you know, if something went wrong, just, just not a lot of, uh, not a lot of-


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[Assistant] Uh, Paul Marner, thank you very much. Good question, by the way. Congratulations on the quad lock question of the week. Quad lock, thank you very much. Remember again, check out quadlockcase.com. Check out all the cool stuff they have. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.


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[Assistant] Uh, shifting gears, looking forward to, uh, heading to Glendale. I love going there. Uh, if you need to know times and when we're airing it and where we're airing it, remember, uh, little supermodel cross on NBC promo.


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[Assistant] Uh, always remember Thursday, SMX insider with Wigant and JT that will be at, uh, 2 PM Eastern.


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[Assistant] And then, for the night show, 8.30, round six, Monster Energy Supercross. The Supermodel Cross World Championship will be 8.30pm.


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[Assistant] Eastern on, uh, on Peacock. So I love that place. Did you, you like Glendale?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm looking forward to it as well. Got the West, 250 West is back, maybe a Levi, um, RJ.


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[Assistant] Uh, battle, there's other guys out there, plenty capable of winning. No doubt. Think about Nate Thrasher, Jordan Smith, maybe wanting some redemption. So don't sleep on those other two, two guys as well. I'm not even gonna speculate, but I think it's going to be a good one.


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[Assistant] Yep, yep, I'm with you. I'm w- I'm waiting to see who's gonna, uh, take control. And this is gonna be an important race because they don't race for a while after this event. So, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, as you know, RV, it's always special when you have a long break to, to go out with the win and give those guys a little taste of something to think about what they got to look forward to, uh, moving forward. Quick track map review.


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[Assistant] Uh, here it is, a shorter start, normally it's a bit longer, uh, but this is the biggest floor that we go to, I believe, inside of, uh, Close Stadium. I love it. To Arfi's point, there you go. Perfect. And the beautiful, uh, first turn, uh, corner, long rhythm lane's gonna be really fast.


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[Assistant] Good stuff. You bringing it, uh, bringing it to life every week here on Title 24. Thank you everybody for, uh, listening, watching. Uh, thank you to all our p- our partners.


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[Assistant] Uh, wherever, whatever, whatever you use. In that regard, go listen to us, download it, listen.


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[Assistant] And then of course if you watch us, always on Motorsports, on NBC's YouTube page, and of course we're live on Peacock. Remember, we got a Facebook page that we want you guys to check out, facebook.com slash


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[Assistant] Title 2-4, spelled out 2-4. So make sure you guys check out our new Facebook page. We'll start fielding some questions and answering stuff there. Trying to look at an easier way to engage with you guys. So we appreciate everyone's support.


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[Assistant] And uh, RV, we will see everyone next week. That's right, baby.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean, as for me trying to learn, it's, I, I don't, I think it's wrong for us sometimes to completely change who we are. But I think there's things that we can do to be better, you know, and obviously the way he uses the motorcycle and everything like that is, you know.


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[Assistant] He has like, it's like every settings, you know, like on like 95, you know, uhm, and, and for us, you know, I think, uh,


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[Assistant] I think, for me, I have, you know, two legs, two arms, and my brain's still intact somewhat, that uhm, you know, I have it in me to be able to, to figure it out, and uhm, and try and be in a battle to, to be up there, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, it's crazy that he's 19 years old and, and I'm 30 and, and, and I'm learning from him, you know, and it's, it's pretty cool, but uhm, it's changing the game. And I think that comes, you know, a lot. I think obviously back in the day, whenever you saw like Ricky and them, they were just kind of like,


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[Assistant] We keep showing up and keep trying to problem solve and you know that's what we're addicted to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Andrew Hank, 82s, he asked, uh, was Jet the only rider to dial in a good rhythm after clearing the quad?


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[Assistant] He was carrying really good momentum through there. He was all day, actually, RV. So, uh, that was a good one. Uhm, Andrew Hank, thanks for the, thanks for the, uh, question. So moving along, dude, did you, what did you think of that mishap on the gate with, with Jett? That was nuts, dude.


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[Assistant] You ain't, you ain't joking. I, I, I did myself personally, I talked about this on the broadcast and I want to know what, uh, what you think about situations like that RV is like, I, I didn't like to have that kind of chaos happening. Like I would, I would have rather just not have taken the, uh, the parade lap or the site lap.


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[Assistant] That's pretty, that's tough to do. He was in a really tough spot. I mean, literally, he put the bike in gear and the gate dropped within two seconds and for you to, to break it down the way you did and explain it the way you did was, and it just makes me think like that was gnarly how he was able to overcome, overcome that difficult situation.


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[Assistant] Sam Davie, he asked, uh, that person asked, how would it have been for Jet to foc- how hard would it have been for Jet to focus, uh, on the start with everything going on and you na- you, you nailed it right on the head, dude. Super hard. I, I didn't like those situations. Did you like?


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[Assistant] When I hear that, that's the first time I've heard that sound bite, and I don't know if you've heard it, but like, what comes to mind when I hear that RV for me is like,


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[Assistant] That's, that's, dude, that's like a veteran talking and how in depth, uh, and he, he's really in tune with where he knows he's messing up. And what I, and another thing I bring from that is he said, if you guys listen what, what he says there,


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[Assistant] That's some really good insight that Jet just shared with the, with the world on where he needs to be better. So I mean, like, what's your thoughts when you hear that? Is that pretty advanced thinking? Are you surprised by that because of his age or like what you think?


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[Assistant] You talked about, uh, at the top of the show, you thought that, uh, this was one of Eli's or Eli's strongest, uh, race, uh, so far this year and, uh, T Walsh23 asks,


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[Assistant] Was it really just the quad that was the difference, or are they just making excuses now? And uhm, you know what, let's uh, let's roll some tape, Aaron, of, of Eli and what he thought.


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[Assistant] He is in the position, in my opinion, and I want to hear what you have to say, that he's going, like, if he...


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[Assistant] The end all be all of why, you know, why he didn't win.


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[Assistant] I didn't want to put myself in that position. I was, I was already happy with what I had accomplished and I was just going to gamble on the fact, on the, on the side of, well, he's risking it a little more than I am and I'll just hopefully rely on, you know, a mistake from him and that, that's how I went.


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[Assistant] Then you can start almost going to protection mode. You start saying, okay, well, I have this amount of points. I can, I can, you know, I can afford to get a second here. I can afford to get a second at this race. So, uh, it's going to be interesting. It's crunch time. We all have been saying it and, uh, still a lot of racing left and one notable.


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[Assistant] You see the cutoff, I'm calling it the cutoff at this point where anyone below Eli Tomac


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[Assistant] But, uh, glad to have Dunlop on there and here at the, uh, RCSX and Mass Support. So, uh, check out Dunlop, get yourself some, uh, new tires. So.


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[Assistant] In our due diligence section this weekend with Chase Sexton, I think it was a good ride for him. Uhm, what did you think? Did you like what you saw from him? I mean...


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[Assistant] Time's gonna eventually tell. I just think, I think he needs to be better, but he's still solid. A little extra due diligence. Go check out VitalMX.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the post, I don't know if you saw this RV, I know you hop on vital once in a while, get yourself all revved up, but, uh, he had a little, he had something funky going on.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, uh, yeah, Michael Lindsay from Vital, he had made a post about it. This is a great find. And, uh, he, he explains it kind of a little more in depth.


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[Assistant] Uh, of what he noticed from the garage area. Everyone could see it. So uhm, that's interesting. That's interesting and, uh,


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[Assistant] Step off from, you know, WP and go down the KYB route. That's, uh, is interesting.


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[Assistant] We'll have to see if he still runs that and, uh, I'm sure that, uh, the journos will be checking it out.


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[Assistant] And he finds a way to win championships. Uh, Kenzie was talking about giving me the difference. I didn't see it in the rundown there, but Kenzie was asking like, well, look what Ken Roxton has come from, you know, the, the gnarly injuries, of course, definitely. He's, he's just tough.


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[Assistant] You know, he's battling against all these things of why you shouldn't win and he still goes out there and, and hit and makes it happen. So.


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[Assistant] To me that's different than being an emotional reactive, like, emotional reactive person is different than a mentally strong person. That's my thoughts dude.


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[Assistant] Yeah, mentally he fills in the gaps for his, his areas where he lacks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's too many factors and then this has been a roller coaster season for sure. You're exactly right. I mean, there's still a lot of open air stadiums that we're going to rain. What's that going to look like? So, uh, still a lot of racing left for sure. Uh, Cody Anderson, does AMA have any fan interference rule? So did you see how the,


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[Assistant] Probably would have been a different outcome if it had interfered with the, uh, the race results. It didn't interfere with the race results at that time. I know there's a couple people. I know that the, the fans were already running on the track, but dude, those guys were cruising and it didn't, thankfully it didn't, um, it did not, uh, adjust.


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[Assistant] Uh, had conversations with, uh, AMA and Mike Peltier and he was extremely concise and to the point on


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[Assistant] Uh, what happened when you, with the jet thing and, and being on the line and what the actual rule is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. So, and that wasn't, you know, again, that wasn't a repair. If you want to get down in the nitty gritty, I'm sure you could, you know, if, if there was an infraction, you could take it to the courts and he's like, yeah, it wasn't a repair. Okay.


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[Assistant] And, uh, should there, what do you think we should do about this? And they also took it another step, RV, and talked to some of the, uh, I don't know if they talked to the riders directly, but they asked if that was a distraction to the riders around them.


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[Assistant] There's not an infraction for it. So, uh, hopefully give you some clarification there. We appreciate Mike Peltier for giving us that insight. He's been a huge help here on Title 24.


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[Assistant] And I thought that perhaps like after last week when he won in Arlington and


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[Assistant] As we know, uh, so I'm not, I'm not banging on him or anything like that. I'm not going to beat him up for, for making a mistake on the, on the treacherous conditions. I, dude, I think he looks pretty good and you know, he, he, his performances have been overshadowed because of the opening round when he went down. You take out that opening round, uh, dude, he's, he's, he's the points leader.


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[Assistant] So we're going into round four. These guys are, uh, on a little stretch here. So we go what? We're, uh, Birmingham this weekend, new venue. Can't wait to get there. And then, uh, Indy after that, like it's, dude, things are going to be happening fast. It's going to be really, really exciting. Dude, we got a, uh, we got a bonus, bonus question, uh, bonus question from Tony McCarthy.


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[Assistant] Right? It's a hot spot for people from around the world. Great city to go to. A lot to, uh, you know, a lot to, uh,


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[Assistant] Dude, that's right. Well yeah, I like it. I think it's great. Uhm, it's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a lot of fun this year, RV, now that these racers and the teams.


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[Assistant] If you're, if you're, if you're gonna have a, I wouldn't call it a throwaway, but if there's one where you are gonna underperform for some silly reason, or you have unfortunate luck, the first, the first playoff race is worth it.


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[Assistant] Uh, the NTT IndyCar series starts off in the streets of St. Pete. So we'll see our man, Lee Diffie, uh, on the broadcast, Hinchcliffe.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm excited to see, see how it turns out. And yeah, Dirtworks guys do a great job. Now those, uh, those soccer fields, like what we're going to the soccer field stadiums, they're a bit wider. So maybe those guys.


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[Assistant] Because there's border, I don't know, time will tell. It also depends on dirt. I heard that, uh, there might be some inclement weather, uh, while they're going to be building the track. Uh, but looking forward to all the fans turning up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was almost record numbers, so we appreciate you guys and, uh, like, uh, yeaah, you might not like us, but if you, you respect us, that's all we ask for. Uh, we try to hit it to you straight. We hope, uh, we're glad that you guys, uh, appreciate our analysis. Uh, thanks for all of our sponsors, United Motorsports, uhm,


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[Assistant] Mokso USA quad lock case Dunlop tires, we appreciate your partnership. Uhm, you guys are great brands and we're happy to have you on board. RV, what you got planned for the rest of the week, brother?


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[Assistant] Go for it, big dog. Yeah, no. So, uh, man, hope everybody had a good weekend. Yeah, Spring Creek was, uh, was, was a rad race to watch.


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[Assistant] No, it was, it was a really, like you said, um, Jed has been in this position for quite a, quite a few races now. And this is, in my opinion, the first time that he's really been, um, you know, challenged. And, uh, you know, Chase rode well, still we're having those, he's had those little mistakes.


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[Assistant] But also too, I think, dude, they're both pushing limits. I wouldn't say we're, I'm watching a replay right now coming across the finish onto the starting, start straight.


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[Assistant] Uhm, these guys are going for it. No longer can I sit here and say, you know, is Jett riding around at 80% because I don't think


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[Assistant] Here at Millville, it was an 80% race. I believe it was, it was 100%. He obviously, uhm, was the smarter of the two, knew the track's limits. Uhm, but also again, Chase.


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[Assistant] Being a few races into this thing, uhm, you know, he hasn't had as many gate drops yet as...


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[Assistant] Uhm, and also being able to, improving his speed, uhm, from when he's, from, from when he came back, I think is a, is a huge testament to kind of where he's going. He's gotta clean up his laps though. Uhm, you know, those little mistakes, like he said in the press conference, he fell three times.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, and racing against a guy like Jett, you can't do that, man.


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[Assistant] No, totally. That actually reminded me of, uhm, Trey Canard's crash at Washougal when he caught the front wheel and crashed. And then you go watch Chase coming down, uhm, down the first downhill and just, it looks like the bike kinda kicked inwards a little bit and then he was a little off balance and then just washed it out.


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[Assistant] Alright, so uhm, I know we've talked about this on the show in the past, uhm, a little bit during Supercross, you know, with, with his mistakes, and we were pretty hard on him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and towards the end of Supercross, obviously with Eli getting hurt, uhm, he seemed to get those, those little mistakes wrapped up. And now we come here to Millville and we saw three crashes, uhm, two crashes and then a slide out, essentially. Uhm, you know, not, definitely not ideal.


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[Assistant] I will say that each and every motorcycle, yes, he's both, they're both riding for a factory HRC Honda. Uhm, but yes, Hunter and Jet, they pick their own.


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[Assistant] You know, setups. They develop their motorcycle to uhm, the last 10, 15, 20% of what they want. You know, so I do believe that the packages are different uhm, from suspension. How much? I don't know. I can't, I can't tell you that. I don't know what's in them but I can guarantee you they are different.


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[Assistant] And then I will say, also say, I think, you know, this has kind of been...


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[Assistant] Chase has done this in the past, so I'm ho- it's gotta be a little bit of mental, uhm, I don't know if it's actually, uhm, his writing itself, like, you know, his, his, his technique. I think that Chase has phenomenal technique, uhm, in my personal opinion, so I think-


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[Assistant] A little bit of, um, mental side of it too, you know, it's gotta be a little bit of that and, and the pace they're pushing, that they were pushing at Millville, you know, it was pretty, pretty insane pace, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, I don't know, I'm hoping to, I'm hoping to see, you know, this next weekend at Washougal, uhm, you know, Chase said at press conference that these, these last couple rounds he's really looking forward to seems like the tracks suit him.


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[Assistant] Not to say I wouldn't like to see Jet go 22-0 because that's pretty sick too. Uhm, you know, but I would also love to see Chase, uhm, stop that win streak.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think that, uh, it's great to be fast and there's been a lot of fast individuals that have come through our racing, um,


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[Assistant] If chase can put in a couple faster laps, but as is laying on the ground to answer the question, uh, no, he's not faster because you can't win races, you know, um, tipping over and crashing. So.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I would say, uh, Jet is definitely faster at this point, even if it doesn't show on lap times, it shows at the end of the race and it's a 1-1 finish again. Uh, you got your answer right there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, I think it's a very tough one. Uhm, I think that Jets pace right now to answer that question and, and his, how consistent he is and that he's been able to do it, you know, now with a couple of weekends with chase back, uhm, in, in, in, in at Millville here, which was a very close race.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think that you're, you would have races where you would have, uhm, they'd swap it up, meaning uhm, depending on the track, depending on what side of the bed these guys woke up on that morning, is it gonna, it's gonna come down to that extra like,


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[Assistant] Little bit, you know, 3-5% that somebody can squeeze out of, uhm, either Eli squeezing out of himself or Jett vice versa. And if Eli shows up with, and he's down 3-5% that day, uhm, you're gonna get a, you're gonna get a, uh, you know, swap situation I think. I don't think you'd see 22-0.


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[Assistant] Uhm, maybe you would, I don't know, but I would say as a, as a, I'm not a betting man, but if I was betting, I would say no, if Eli was, was out there, I do not think he would go 22-0, but I definitely am gonna say he would win overalls, uhm, and it would be one hell of a series, that's for sure, if they both were out there.


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[Assistant] No, to your point, he makes too many mistakes. He does. He does. You're not bagging on him. He just, at this point in his career, where he's at, he hasn't, uhm, sharpened the knife just enough to where he can ride that ragged edge, but also be consistent. We see these mistakes happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I think the one thing too is, and I think differences between Chase and, and, let's, and Eli, for example, uhm, is, I, I kinda look at, uhm, Eli being


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[Assistant] What I mean by that is, is you see some of these motos, let's use Daytona example, that's an easy one to use as an example.


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[Assistant] Eli can ride that ragged edge and push 110% for, for, for a 20 minute supercross race. So if Eli's feeling like that when, you know, those certain days that when, then, that,


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[Assistant] Can't be beat on if he shows up at a Millville or any one of these of our outdoor series races and he shows up like that.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's, that's a gnarly dude to beat. That's a gnarly Eli to beat, right? Even Jett on a good day. So, not to say Jett couldn't beat him, but I just think, right, it's just a, it's just a different scenario if you, if you, if Eli's involved.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we'll hopefully see that soon, you know, that duo, or the trio actually chase Eli and Jett, you know, that's going to be an insane, uhm, insane three race battle.


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[Assistant] And Ricky, I, I mean, if Chase can bridge just that last little gap to, to, to Jett and actually


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[Assistant] Make a few passes. Jett has to pass back and actually get into a fight out there.


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[Assistant] You know, right now, even though it was a great race by Chase.


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[Assistant] I, I still feel like mentally where Jett's at, he, he still knows he has the upper hand and when that pendulum swings or becomes 50-50.


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[Assistant] Now it's like, okay, I gotta have a good start. I gotta, I can't make a mistake. I gotta put in good sprint laps. I have to go till the end, you know, all the way to run it down to the checkered flag. You know, when you got that mentality, when you get the rider on defense and thinking like that.


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[Assistant] If Chase can do that, now you have a different scenario. I feel like right now, uh, Jet really knows that he still has the upper hand on, on Chase.


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[Assistant] Ah, I mean, I thought it was, uh, wrote a jet, wrote a, uh, a real, a good race, you know, I think, I, I think that, um, he obviously knew he, he that chase bridge that gap up after having a, having a tip over, right? So, um, that's, that's a really hard thing to do is have a mistake.


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[Assistant] And then it be able to reel, reel the guy back in and let alone it be jet, right? So I think that's a huge confidence booster for chase. Um, but also too, like I said, that, that window.


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[Assistant] If, if the window is shutting, it's, it's, it's, I feel like it's, it's, it's, it's been shut a little bit by Chase. You know, Jett used to have the window wide open. It was his race. Nobody was going to really challenge him. Now that window is starting to, that sliding window is starting to close on him a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, looking at, at Chase's performances because they've been steadily getting better. Uhm, and like we've really had to battle this, you know, and this, this at Millville, uhm, for those few laps, right? And I feel like, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, Jet said it, he goes, he goes, Chase was on it today. So you gotta think that that could be starting to trickle in to the back of his mind, you know, like need to stay consistent, need to still do, put in my work, you know, get good starts. Uhm, I'm just waiting for that moment where that pendulum kind of swings because man, it's gonna be a good race to watch when that happens.


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[Assistant] So I think they both ride good there, uh, but to your point Washugal, it is a one line track. The shadows get bad. I don't think there's another track out there. The roost hurts as bad as is there.


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[Assistant] You know, so if, if, if chase can get into the lead, get a good start now is going to be to manage that racetrack because that's a, I think Washu goes one of the tougher tracks.


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[Assistant] Because of being a little bit narrow, also the traction, by TV it looks great, but actually it's very low down on traction. Uhm, so Chase is really going to have to stay sharp, you know, because it seems like we lose that front end every now and then. Well, Wash Ugo is a perfect place for that, that could happen.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, definitely. Uhm, you know, I think he's...


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[Assistant] You know, I know he, earlier in the season, he said he was kind of struggling with setup on the new motorcycle, uhm, for outdoors.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's kind of in a frustrating spot, right? You know, it's kind of in a limbo position. You know, he's not, he's not up there for first or second. A good moto for, for, for Dylan is, it seems like around third to fourth.


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[Assistant] You know, and yea, to his point about the track, you know, I saw some passes, I think you just had to set them up. Was the track fast? Yes, I think it was fast. And, you know, pre-show, guys, I was talking to RC about that.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, I, I personally feel like it's good to have a track that's got fast sections in it, but I also think that there's areas.


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[Assistant] That you, that you rip deep and that you, that you put maybe a little more water on it. So it's a, it ends up being a little more sloppy or sticky. So it gets, it develops five or six, eight lines. So it's tighter, right? So I don't think we need to do the entire track where it's just.


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[Assistant] Uhm, fast sections and technical sections involved. But yes, to his point, the track was very fast. Seemed like the...


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[Assistant] You know, I'd heard some debates about the paddle tire, you know, like, um, Jed, I think Jed had said, like, I think he was gonna try to go to, um, the less aggressive, yeah, less aggressive. I think they were back cutting the, the, the traditional, call it, um,


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[Assistant] So when I was racing, it used to be called a 62. I don't know what it is now. Um, but it's still very similar. It's a very similar tread pattern to what, to what I used to use. Yeah. Um, but yeah, back to that. I think that's a tough decision, but once again, I know we already talked about this.


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[Assistant] If, if you're riding MotoGP, if you're F1, any, any car racing, you, you have to debate, you have to figure out what tire you're going to run, right? So I know they picked the scoop tire for the start and then towards the end of the first motor, they're like, man, the track's getting hard. And then they swapped, right? So those are all the things that I think that, um, you know, as a racer, you just have to.


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[Assistant] I still, I still think that, uhm, Dylan would be, uh, where he's at on his championship bike. Uhm, I really do. I think that the...


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[Assistant] Jets brought it to another level and chases is bridging that gap. He's just about there. Uhm, so I think those two.


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[Assistant] With Jet stepping into the class, like always, he elevated the sport by speed-wise, technique-wise, all the above, right? He's, he's going faster. Uhm, now you gotta, you can't take Eli out of there and say Eli wouldn't do that same thing. I do think that Eli would be racing up there like we said, so. Uhm, but currently, I don't think it changes it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and those, the man, those Millville whoops, you know, like, seemed a little different than, uhm, look at that, he got a big old, big old raspberry in between, between his pecs.


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, this year I thought, uhm, and I think it's been kind of developing in the past years, but I kind of remember, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was the same for you, they were a little more, I think they were a little closer, those whoops with, with, with how far they got spread apart, like, when a guy crosses over like that, you're,


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[Assistant] And they got a knuckle on the front of them too. So every time you hit them, it wanted to kind of push you forward through those.


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[Assistant] That's not the best feeling to have, especially when somebody comes across, like you said, that bike was down right in front of them and, and those gaps were probably 20, 20, you know, 25 foot gaps in between and you're just in mid-air. There's nothing you're going to do, right? So.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I think that we, uh, have to make a shout out to, to, uh, to Hunter and why I say that is, is, uh, devastating at Southwick, right? Motor, had a motor issue, didn't finish, um, strong rebound for,


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[Assistant] I pretty much, you know, other than that tip over when you watch the front, you know, like would have been a perfect day, perfect, huge statement, uh, you know, a rebound, um, to come, come back from that, regain the points, points lead and the red plate.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, so man, other than that little fall, he's just slicing and dicing through these guys. He just seemed like he was kind of on a mission. Uhm, and then you got Hayden going up, up.


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[Assistant] Uh, the big giant hill, yeaah, Mount Martin there and getting kind of high-side cross-rutted on the side of the track there.


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[Assistant] So, we never went all the way to the top. Uhm, we went just a little bit up and turned. I think we had the first, the first little step up and then another little, littler step up where it's like the middle triple step up now and then make a left. It never went to the top.


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[Assistant] So uhm, yeaah, Hunter, I think an outstanding performance coming back from that issue, like I said. And then, you know, Hayden, I think...


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[Assistant] You know, you kind of have to ask the question, you know, the red plate brings a bit of weight to it, you know, and I've, I've followed and seen some of his comments and even Southwick didn't have the best of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Of weekends, you know, Southwick's gnarly track, uhm, but then also this week in Millville, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, it's a little bit different position for somebody like Hayden, a rookie carrying the red plate.


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[Assistant] Leading the points, you know, hasn't been led from a rookie in a very long time.


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[Assistant] You know, could this be, could this be a little bit of the weight? What do you think?


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[Assistant] First full, full season, you know, full supercross, now we're coming into, into a full outdoor season, you know, so uhm, you know, it's a, that's a, that's a lot of racing, every single weekend being in that pressure cooker to perform.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, like you said, he's going to make that next step. You know, obviously everybody, you know, wants to see it. He probably wants to see it more than anybody. Obviously sooner the better.


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[Assistant] You gotta know, I mean, I think I do know, I, I, like I said, I'm not a vet man, but I would bet that next year you're gonna see a completely different Hayden Deegan.


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[Assistant] Uhm, then we even see now, I think that next year these guys are gonna have to, guys like Joe Shimoda that are, that are, you know, switching teams, moving on, uhm, that are moving, uhm, you know, that are looking for a championship that are next, like that's their year next year, right? And I think they're gonna have to deal with this kid.


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[Assistant] I'm going to say, uh, not from watching what I watched, uhm, I didn't go this last weekend, but everything that I watch on the broadcast and research that we do for the show. Like I said, he was slicing and dicing through guys like Cooper. Fast guys, like making moves, you know, and that's where Dylan had said,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, in press conference that like, uh, you know, it was hard, kind of hard to pass, but maybe it was for him, but guys like, like Hunter, like he was passing guys kind of, you know, whenever he wanted to, where he, wherever he wanted to on the track. So.


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[Assistant] I do not think that Hayden had a, had a candle the whole time this week.


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[Assistant] I agree with that and the reason why I say I agree with that is I think Hayden's somebody that can and is smart enough on the motorcycle that can actually turn around and get past


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[Assistant] Uhm, if you would have just gotten past and not made that mistake and latched on and could see the lines, uhm, at Millvale. Because Millvale's a, to go fast there, I feel like, especially


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[Assistant] That uhm, he definitely probably could have latched onto him, but.


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[Assistant] That doesn't mean he would have, he would have beat Hunter. I think latching on and staying with him for 10 minutes would have been a, would have been a huge, huge win for Hayden to be able to see that and run that speed and find those lines.


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[Assistant] Uhm, head-to-head racing, no, I don't, I don't think that, uhm, especially getting long on the tooth into the season like we are, and like I mentioned, yeaah, 13 points down, I mentioned that Hayden Rookie,


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[Assistant] You know, hasn't seen a full load of an entire uhm, 12 months, call it, of uhm, of racing and training and bootcamping and all, all those, all those things that come in.


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[Assistant] Uhm, into racing, you know, a whole, a whole supercross and a whole, a whole outdoor series.


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[Assistant] So, no, I, I, I do think that obviously anything's possible in motocross, but as for a head-to-head race, these last four rounds, uhm, no, I don't think there's a chance for him to, to uhm, really fight his, his way back in there. I feel like it's gonna have to come from a mistake.


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[Assistant] I honestly, I don't see, uh, plenty of space in between the lapper, and from what I can see now, we have the single in front of us, so, uhm, but I, I do, I do say that obviously with the lapper being on the outside, uhm, did, did Hunter have to


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[Assistant] Uhm, stay inside a little bit more. Did he not, you know, was the main line or his line or where he planned on going was to fade out to...


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[Assistant] Yep, and then Justin Cooper went a little taller into that berm and pivoted more and came at that single straighter than Hunter did.


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[Assistant] Um, so he's not on the side of the tire as much. So I don't think it was a lapper's issue. I feel that was a, that was a mistake on Hunter's side. Um, you know, he didn't get close to the lapper. Did the lapper, was the lapper in his suggested line? Ah, probably. But, uh, that's, that's racing, right? That's a lapper.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's just, it is what it is, like, like to your point, like, you know, they're all out there, there's the blue flags, they're all racing for whatever position they're racing for. Uhm, that was, that was a sheer, sheer mistake on his part.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I feel like it, with Justin Cooper, obviously, if you put, if he gets a whole shot or puts himself up front, he's a contender for that race, for sure. Same thing with Joe, he's definitely been, been coming on towards the end, towards the end of the middle to the end of this outdoor season. Same thing.


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[Assistant] Needs a start. He puts himself up front, he runs those guys' pace, but we're too inconsistent on the gate, right? So it's like, or, or puts himself, uhm, not the greatest to start, puts himself in a bad position, and now he ends up tangled up with the, with one of the, uhm,


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[Assistant] Exactly, and I feel like Joe, Joe perfect, he's, he's probably been the worst of, of the, uh, this season is not putting


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[Assistant] He's getting lots of pressure from Hunter, but he's, but look, they got it on the gap they have, uhm, behind them is, is, is a substantial gap, right? So he can run the pace.


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[Assistant] Well, I, I mean, I, I agree. I think that uhm, one thing that we do know is, is Ryder's a very good starter, right? So he puts himself in a good position. So I personally think to, to what, to what, to back you up on that is, is yes.


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[Assistant] Coming out and, and he's a little, I think a little trapped to, to, in the web, like you said, like hasn't, he came out, got a couple good starts and it just, it seems like he's, he's having a little issue of finding himself, you know, like it's, it's like to your point of what, like,


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[Assistant] Guy like Hayden and Ryder, they, they both came up very similar, similar time or same time actually, pretty much.


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[Assistant] Uhm, making that transition, uhm, from amateur motocross to pro motocross is a big jump. Hayden was able to, you know, springboard himself initially right in there, get himself out of the middle of the web, get him out to the edges of it. So he's got, you know, he's got clear racetracks.


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[Assistant] You know, riding with better guys and things like that. And I think uhm, that's one thing for, for, for a rider. I think it's just, just figuring out.


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[Assistant] He is figuring out how hard it is and how hard you gotta really dig to because it's pro motocross. Everybody's digging out there. Everybody's hurting. Everybody's tired. Everybody's hot. But it's how much can you dig? I think


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[Assistant] That was a, actually I text URC about that, uhm, of, of Southwick, you know, and, and look, I, I, some of the guys you got Hunter and you got Jett, they stand up on the podium, doesn't look like they're that winded, doesn't look like they're that hot.


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[Assistant] I sent some photos your way, and it's got, March Banks literally laying on the ground, people pouring water on them. There was like, Ferrandes, same thing, got his head leaned back on a tent, you know. Uhm, are they completely, can they, they can walk with their own power for sure, but I'm just, it tells you how gnarly the top guys are.


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[Assistant] And also how gnarly our sport is because these dudes, these aren't, these guys aren't.


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[Assistant] They're not really soft, right? They are soft compared to jet, if that makes sense. Like, we're dealing with the best in the world, the guys that can push, the guys that can dig, dig deeper than anybody. Uhm, look at triath, triathlons, right? Like, it's just like,


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[Assistant] That race is, it comes down to fitness, yes, but it also comes down to the mental, how mentally and how far can you dig? And that's what you see outdoors is.


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[Assistant] That's what I think we're seeing with some of the, you know, guys like Ryder, uhm, you know, Hayden Deegan the last two weekends, uhm, this, how gnarly the sport is, you know, and they're both doing phenomenal jobs, but it's, it's gnarly.


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[Assistant] Exactly, and I think, especially like, uhm, you probably had this, but like, I, I, you would approach Dunge differently than you approach James, then definitely than you'd, I would approach Chad, you know, they each had their strengths, you know. Uhm, James, I could, if it was outdoors, and even Supercross, I could,


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[Assistant] I could almost, not guarantee, but like, no, he was either gonna falter, uhm, or he was going to get a little tired and I could suck him up, you know, or there was just certain days I was better than him also, but the days that you knew, okay, James is on.


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[Assistant] What's gonna be, where's our, what hand are we gonna play today? Is it gonna be like, get a good start, let him run up front, and he's gonna make a mistake, or he's gonna get tired because it's gonna be a hot one this weekend.


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[Assistant] Dunge, I had to play the card like, look, I know I'm, I can sprint better than him so I gotta get the start, sprint as hard as I can for as long as I can and, and then manage my moto because he was the diesel that just kept pushing through.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's interesting. Like, Chad was probably the hardest one to read, in my opinion, for me. Like, you know, one day he'd show up, Chad would be, he'd be on. He'd be on. And then the next weekend, he'd be okay, but I knew that I had him, he was a third place guy that night.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, so it's just, you had to play everybody, all these guys a little bit differently. You know, it's never the same hand that you'd play, uhm, play each of those guys with.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I, I, I do think, I, I think that there's some kids that uhm, you know, that, that excel in supercross a little bit easier. I, I was, I did both. So I came from,


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[Assistant] I can talk about myself. I came from, uhm, up by Seattle, everybody knows that, which during the winter time, we, we had to go on indoors and ride arena cross. Just local fairground stuff. Uhm, but it was in a horse arena in a building.


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[Assistant] So, was it full-on supercross? No, it, you know, it was, it was, it was what you, what you would think of kind of a local arena cross. Everybody could ride their beginners up to, up to the pro class. So, it wasn't anything gnarly, but it got me.


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[Assistant] I really understood Supercross, uhm, you know, a lot better than, than probably most at, and now this was a, this was a point in time too where, where, you know, a lot of these amateur, well not a lot, all these amateur top prospect kids, they get on Supercross tracks now on 80s and, legit Supercross tracks.


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[Assistant] I didn't have that opportunity. I had the opportunity of one time going to the Yamaha track, uhm, before US Open one year that I raced it on an 80.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that being said, I, I had already, you know, had a little bit of experience in, in ArenaCross, so I was, I was, you know, I kind of knew that. But we also came up racing outdoors as amateurs, right? But I do think that, yeaah, there's guys that need to work harder in Supercross that Supercross doesn't come as easy or vice versa outdoors. You know, I feel like,


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[Assistant] I would say Dunge, I think. So Dunge, I'll use him first.


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[Assistant] Pretty talented, I don't think much more talented than I was, if not the same. Uhm, really good worth ethic, uhm, and was pretty good in both, but to your point Chad, you brought up Chad, like there was some outdoor seasons


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[Assistant] One, one, one season in particular, Milder, where he, where he, uh, flew off the bike on that, on the jump before the step up, right?


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[Assistant] That was a hell of a year for Chad Outdoors, but then I'd race him in the previous year and it really wasn't even a race. There was no conversation about it. But Supercross pretty much every time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I'm here for. That's what I'm here for. Um, but Supercross, Chad, Chad, I feel like was, I don't, I, I'm going to go out on a limb here and speak.


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[Assistant] At a term, I guess. I don't think it was necessarily a talent thing. I think it was.


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[Assistant] Was, was for Chad for outdoors. I just think it was if he was feeling on that, that feeling it.


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[Assistant] Coming into outdoors, you were going to get all a chat. If you wasn't feeling it, you didn't get all a chat. But every year, Supercross, you'd get every, because that was, I mean, he must have liked it better, or whatever the case may be. That was kind of his gig. Every year, he'd start off swinging.


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[Assistant] And I think the crazy thing about Chad though too is you might have...


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[Assistant] You know, he might be sitting and say, let's use it for example, third or fourth in points, you know, 15 down, you know, not out of it, but like 15, 20 points down.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, which is, that's a huge point spread in Supercross for example. And then you'd have one night where you fell and ended up 5th, but Chad won and now it was down to like 9 points. It was like...


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[Assistant] It's, it's amazing to see the switch turn with Chad. Like as soon as there were he's, there the one drop of blood in the water, he could smell it from a mile away. Uhm, you get that.


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[Assistant] Yep, exactly. So that was, I think, what was kinda gnarly. Cause you'd go and you'd turn around and be like,


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[Assistant] Dude, I haven't raced this guy all year, we're six rounds in, and all of a sudden now he's like, he's all over me, like, and passes you and then wins, you know, and it's like, where did he come from?


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[Assistant] Ricky, which uhm, which one are you looking for? I think I already know the answer, but which one are you looking forward to the most out of, you know, out of the three?


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[Assistant] I'll be at Colosseum for sure, uhm, not, I don't know about the other two, but uhm, I'm sure Charlotte's, I've actually personally been to Chicagoland, uhm, you know, cool, cool place, but uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm really looking forward to, to, to the Coliseum. Um, you know, it's a pretty, pretty cool stadium, you know, to, to go back there and race. And I know, you know, they're going to run the peristyle stuff and, and to be the, and to be in the format that we're in, you know, the, the, the gate drops. And I think it's going to be.


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[Assistant] It's going to be some crazy racing and I think that's where you're going to see Chase be able to, you know, potentially, you know, make some moves because we're going to have multiple gate drops.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess he did all of, he did all of East Coast and he did, and he had some really good finishes. Yeah, I guess you have to go back and have Fowler Facts pull his facts out and see why we are where we are.


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[Assistant] I'm looking forward to getting close to home. You know, it's about three, three and a half hours from where I grew up. So it's always fun to go back to that area. One of the most beautiful tracks, I think.


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[Assistant] Uhm, as for the racetrack itself, technical, like we talked about, it's technical, it's a little one-line, it's slippery. Shadows, towards the end of the day, uhm, you know, I know Chase seems to ride the hard pack pretty good, went 2-1 last year there.


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[Assistant] And, um, you know, but same for Jett went, you know, won his, uh, the lights class last year also overall. So, um, you know, I think it's going to come down to starts and I'm hoping to see both of those two there because I think that track is bare is it's going to be very hard to be two or three seconds faster. Um,


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[Assistant] In the motos, you know, and I think we've seen some of that coming up where like, man, after practice, you know, Jett's got two seconds on some of these guys and that's kind of a big gap to make up between, you know, for first moto, you know, so uhm, I don't think we see that. I hope we don't see that. I think this track will keep these guys a little closer, which is going to be awesome to see.


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[Assistant] Those little things is, is what Jeth- or is what, uhm, Chase is gonna have to...


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[Assistant] Uhm, be mindful about, you know, I think he's got the speed, he's got the fitness, it's just gonna have to be, minimize the mistakes.


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[Assistant] I will be going up to Washugo. I gotta go up and do some Yamaha stuff on press day.


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[Assistant] And yea, should be good, should be good, good weather and, I mean, it's like a beautiful place to go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we are. We are. We're out in, uh, we flew into San Antonio today and we're doing a little, I guess you call it a dude ranch. I guess a nicer dude ranch style. My wife wanted to bring the kids riding horses and not do the typical spring break. So we're doing that. And I have myself a nice cold beverage, a modello. And, uh, we're going to be breaking this down, buddy.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, those, that adds a whole other element, like as everybody knows, like three gate drops, or as racers know, three gate drops. There's, there's, there's three times for things to go wrong. Um, and now if it goes wrong in Moto One, you have a time to come back and, you know, redeem yourself.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I would really like three gate drops, um, a night because there's just, it just adds a whole, uh, mix of another element into the situation of, for problems, you know, first turn issues, uh, maybe just a washout. Uh, it just, it's, it's that much more stressful, I would think. I've never really raced one other than Monster Cup.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that was nerve wracking also and there was no points on the line.


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[Assistant] So I thought the, so first time, first time for me to be to the, to that stadium, I have always raced in the old stadium, so uhm, went to that one.


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[Assistant] I mean, there were patches of blue groove, um, you know, everywhere, like, like Phoenix Gitz, but when you go and see it again, you know, I haven't seen it in a while, uh, it's been years and you're like, man, there's just, it's, it looks like the test track and it was just one, one night of racing. So, um, technical, slippery, um, it was also a fast track.


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[Assistant] Um, wasn't a ton of opportunities to pass, but when, you know, watching practice, watching the race, I always knew that the start straight into the first turn, if you could set guys up through the.


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[Assistant] That was your passing point of, of the night for me. That's, that's what I thought was going to be. Set him up, take your, take your time the rest of the lap and then, and then make the jump on him down the start straight into that first turn.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think I, okay, so uhm, I do think that he held his own in the whoops. I don't think there was a huge...


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[Assistant] I mean, he definitely gave up a tenth or two, which in Supercross is a lot, especially at that level. So uhm, I mean, I think, I think it could have been worse for him. I think it could have been a lot worse for him. So I think he did a good job managing the set of whoops. And that was actually one of the sections I went and looked at was the whoops.


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[Assistant] God wanting to see how bad they broke down and how hard pack and what kind of traction was out there. And let me tell you, they were pretty tore up. I was actually a little surprised.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with, you know, just some of the holes that were in them, there was cups, some of the whoops had a real cup in them, and some of them were just broke down with knobs on them, so uhm, definitely, I think he held his own in there, but not the fastest guy, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] Okay, yeaah, so I have it right on my little notes right here that I made really quick is, uhm.


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[Assistant] But it was a shocker to see how far Eli did start outside there. I said anything inside the box, uhm, is gonna be good. So looking at that, watching Coop.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they are two inside the box, uh, came in, came into the first turn in a good position, was able to sneak up the inside. Uhm, Eli controlled the situation from the outside, but back to my point of three races.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to start on the outside is, is pretty crazy. You got Koop on the, uh, two inside, like I said, was able to manage his way in. Just beat Kenny out and into the first turn and also Jason.


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[Assistant] He was able to come up the inside there and, uh, you know, hold his own and come out in about third. Yeah, this looks about third right there on the video that we're watching.


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[Assistant] Um, for anybody that's not, uh, that's tuning in for, for just the podcast version of it. Um, we got the, the highlights here on, on YouTube. So, um, yeah, it was, it was, uh, it was, that first start was very, was very good for Coop.


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[Assistant] I just counted, he was five outside the box.


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[Assistant] You know, okay, so he did start next to Eli. So was it, was he playing head games? I don't know. Was he saying, I'm going to start on the outside of Eli and beat him to the first turn. Eli got out of the gate right there. I would, you know, it was watching Eli got out of the gate and pulled out on him and, and, and, you know,


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[Assistant] There's no way for Coop to come in. He already was a bar length behind. It really comes down to the width of a grip. Makes the difference. If your grip is in front of the guy next to you, you control the situation. And also Eli started next to Dean Wilson.


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[Assistant] Uhm, from what I'm watching right now, the replay, and he was able to shut Dino out and then had a whole extra bike length to start to move in already. It's right out of the gate because he shut, shut Dino out. Uhm, and then also Coop was out, he had a bar length on Coop too, so honestly I don't know.


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[Assistant] The, the strategy behind that other than maybe head games or, or was it strictly that, hey, Eli pulled a whole shot from the outside, moto one, and I'm going to try it. So, but like I said before, when we started this conversation currently,


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[Assistant] I heard a lot of the gates outside, a lot of the ruts outside of the gate were not very good. There was only a few good ones.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that's how, that's typically how Phoenix gets, you know, before greats were ever a thing.


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[Assistant] You go down to the line and you might only have three good.


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[Assistant] Uh, gates at a 22. So uhm, you know, that, that's what, that's, that's what I kind of liked about no greats is, is lap times and practice come down to being so crucial because you have to get within the first three gate picks for the main event or for the qualifier to, to have a good gate. Then also have a great qualifier, um, so that you're not left out to dry.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yes, I would, I would have gone inside somewhere. I don't know if it would have been next to the box or very inside, three from the inside.