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[Assistant] The Ashlanders should, should have been, um, they should have been protected from the curse. They should never have turned into Dunmer, almost like as a reward for their loyalty. Uhm, you know, but instead they were, they were punished just as much and as...


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[Assistant] Yeah, so there you go, nobody's perfect.


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[Assistant] And the House of Troubles do have, you know, as you pretty much said, they do have shrines, so even though they're considered the bad ones, there are reminders of them everywhere. Because it's a good thing to have those adversities without them. There's kind of nothing to step on as you, you know,


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[Assistant] It's a lot more cosmopolitan and kind of like structured and ordered and, you know, it's all, it's almost, it's similar to their relationship with the empire in that it's, you know, it's very uhm, god I'm struggling for the right words, but yea, simple and not over the top and crazy or anything.


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[Assistant] Their, their interpretation of Mournhold, even though most of the doors don't lead anywhere yet, is like the nicest, the coolest looking and potentially the biggest city I've ever seen in an Elder Scrolls game.


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[Assistant] I don't want to get this wrong, but I specifically remember there was a, when I was writing the video on Mournhold, I think it was Lawrence Schick, who was the lawmaster at the time, talked about how the reason Mournhold was so boring looking in


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[Assistant] And even with their like, uh, you know, like Vivek's mythology and philosophy can be drawn from so many different Eastern religions and spiritual beliefs and things like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and yeaah, the fact it came out when it did allowed for that to happen. And, and at the end of the day, it's like, it doesn't matter who your favorite race is, it's hard not to just accept the fact that Dunmer are the best race in the Elder Scrolls. Just, just like, you just, you can't deny it, even if you prefer a different race. The coolest.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet, I'm Scott, here with Michael and Drew as always, and this is the Elder Scrolls Podcast, and today we are talking all about the Daedric Prince of Destruction and many other things. So let's get into it, which boys, which one of you would like to start?


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[Assistant] He's pretty on brand for what generally the Daedra are as like embodiments of sort of like Padme of like chaos and so on that idea, like he's quite literally just change.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like, I guess if Molag Bal is like chaotic evil, if you know what I mean, like they're on different levels. They're not like.


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[Assistant] I think like Dagon's stuff is just a lot of the time it's like, I guess, you know, he's positioned against the status quo all the time and the status quo doesn't like that, of course. Like the empire doesn't like the fact that there's a, you know, oblivion invasion taking over their lands.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Rogue one. Uhm, but yeah, I think we could honestly actually just, we could get into that now if you wanted because it is his origin. You know, origin's a decent place to start. So we could get into it if you want to do that now.


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[Assistant] And that's how he's under, and I guess to preface this as well, like, this is all from the Mythic Dawn commentary, so it is like a, uh,


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[Assistant] Sort of a more like esoteric understanding of him, like even within the world itself because like other religions will sort of explain him differently or he'll be portrayed differently in like less of a, like obviously there's a little bit of a favorable twist.


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[Assistant] The one, the one thing I, I, yeah, but the one thing I guess is that it is, Meirin's Dagon wrote the Mysterium Xarxes, which the Mythic Dawn commentaries on and like translations and so on. So you could, you know, you could throw, cast doubt over that and.


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[Assistant] And you know, them like wanting to translate in a particular way or whatever, but still at least there is like a, uh, core source material that was written by him.


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[Assistant] It's interesting too that the whole idea of the mythic dawn, you know, being like a reference to the, to the dawn era and a cyclical sort of nature of things, you know, we talk about calipers and so on and how the,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was, um, it's, it's the, he's a min-max, so he's like, he's my, this playthrough is shit, so I'm gonna start again. Down with the tyrant tregs. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And uh, yeaah, like, the whole revolution angle really is from the Mythic Dawn for the most part, I think. There's little hints of him, I do like in Reachman mythology, he's considered uhm, the ambition angle is there as well, along with destruction and so on, but I kind of do like


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[Assistant] Um, acquire something or do something or bring about like, you know, a change or something. So if you're going to become an emperor, you're going to do all of these, you know, all the various things that are required, all the conquests, all the, you know, politics and stuff like that to, to get somewhere. So that kind of ambition is, is inherently destructive, you know?


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[Assistant] But about how Mehrunes Dagon was sort of inadvertently, um, successful with


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[Assistant] The oblivion crisis, like even though he didn't immediately get like, I'm gonna restart the Dawn era or so on, but his whole idea of enacting his fear and like bringing about great change, like the oblivion crisis is the catalyst


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[Assistant] It's cool, but like also we've, you kinda gotta be careful of those kinds of things sometimes because


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[Assistant] It's just basically you can't credit him with the entirety of the butterfly effect. If you know what I mean? Cause it's like, you know, events happen, but he's like, Oh yeah, I want anyway, because you know, all these things, even though it was the oblivion crisis was a fairly direct one, I guess, but it's just a big cope. I'm sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'd, uh, cause like speaking of the whole oblivion crisis thing and like how like, you know, he's kind of just the whole idea that that's just the catalyst event. It's kind of like a bit of a cope in the way he was just unsuccessful, but he kind of is continuously unsuccessful.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, working with, you know, Jegar Tharn against like, you know, in Battlespire and so on, and presumably in this new Elder Scrolls online thing.


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[Assistant] There's gonna be some kind of like failure on his part cause he can't take all over Tamriel and stuff this time.


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[Assistant] I think he would be on like, he's like the great reset just wants to like, start the dawn era again and then he would wait to whoever gets to the top dog position again. It's like, nah, we gotta tear them down.


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[Assistant] It might also not be an invasion story and it might be going into oblivion more so and interacting with the Mysterium Xarxes and Mehrunes like in his realm more so. I'm sure it's got some kind of, uh, crisis, but I'm kind of hoping it's not another invade. Like it can't be another invasion, please. It would feel silly. It would invalidate.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. I mean, some of those get a little bit more in some of the new lore, but it's like, more so, uh, background lore for them. Not really, like, intense, uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, they don't get a whole DLC to themselves, which, you know, they should.


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[Assistant] But we can start talking about some of the things he's done and so on. We could even go like, I guess chronologically if we like, we can kind of go through it. But uhm, there's a reason Sotha Sil has a, uhm,


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[Assistant] has a, has it out for him because they're supposedly the house Sotha in the early first era was destroyed by Mehrunes Dagon himself and that's why there is no house anymore and this is just a


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[Assistant] Like, I used to get confused by this a long time ago, so I know it can be confusing for people, but, uh, Kymer slash Dunmer Culture, they at least used to in ancient stuff use, uh, their like, family name or clan name as their first name.


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[Assistant] So like, it's, that's why it's uhm, Indoril Nerevar, is because he's, he's like, his personal name's Nerevar, but his family name's Indoril, and so he's like Sotha Sil, like from House Sotha. So his name's like Sil, but Sotha is his...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think Ald is something along the lines of, uh, Townslaying at Doubletree.


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[Assistant] And I, and I guess the import in the regards to the importance of, we can just touch on it with, uh, Mehrunes Dagon in, uh, Dunmer theology is one of the four corners of the house of troubles, which also include Malekath, uh, Sheogorath and, um, uh, oh my God, Mehrunes. Malekath. Malekath, there you go.


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[Assistant] But, Merrin's egg on specifically, like, he is seen as kind of like the, uh,


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[Assistant] The Dunmer theology, each of the four corners of troubles, represents certain, uh, tests for the Dunmer people. So like, Sheogorath is like the mental test of like, you know, they try and make you mad. You know, uh, Moloch Balzac tries to corrupt the bloodline in the Dunmer purity, it tests them there.


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[Assistant] And, uh, Malekath is supposed to be like the physical kind of test of like, you know, the orcs coming to fight them and make sure they're still good warriors. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] More like, uhm, Maren's Dagon encapsulates the, like, actual, like, environmental test, sort of like the survivalist-y kind of thing.


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[Assistant] But then it's, it's interesting how that whole dumb society then just then becomes like antithetical to that because they have these tribunal gods that sort of...


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[Assistant] You know, more or less coddle them and give them this like little nice golden age. And then, seemingly, the Daedra don't like that either, because, you know, Meirin's Dagon gets summoned by, um, by, uh, it was like a witch or something, or, oh no, it was the daughter of, gets summoned by a woman and destroys Mournhold, but, um, actually I can't, I can't remember who,


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[Assistant] She was, she was either a witch or a condor or something who was slighted by the Duke of Mournhold. I can't, I can't, uh...


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[Assistant] And it would be in, uh, it'd be in a Dagon sort of sphere anyway, to want to like take down the tribunal. Like it's another sort of example of like, uh, of a status quo, like let's get revolution, um, change going. So they kind of opposed, I guess in that way as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there is also some stuff with, uh, the battle spire and so on, which, which is a big part and things that happen before that to set up the events of battle spire. But I feel like we've covered this a lot, a few times we've talked about battle spire when talking about the artifacts and so on, but it really is a pretty straightforward story.


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[Assistant] So, well, we can start talking about some of these, uh, artifacts that I know, Drew, that you love the Mysterium Xarxes so much. But like, why, why, uh, we can start talking about why this, uh, book is so compelling for you.


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[Assistant] The, uh, I like how it's often he's even Dagon's referred to like as the Razor as well in part, like they're kind of like synonymous. And I mean, I guess even if you want to look at it on a really like materialist sort of


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[Assistant] I also do like anyway just when theories are like...


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[Assistant] Can be created to sort of explain holes that are there anyway, like I, I see them, I give them more credence whenever they're kind of like useful, like to explain how he's dragonborn and how, why he's not this particular brand of elf according to, you know, how the lineage works.


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[Assistant] Honestly, it's bound to happen when you have, like, you know, going, cause people have to, like, the Arena Daggerfall is almost like a different era and a different kind of Tamriel almost, and then they sort of had a kind of softish...


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[Assistant] Uhm, comes about and that changes things as well. So it's kind of like hard to, you know, basically since I get, I think it's like 94 or something, Zarina or something, more or less like 24 kind of-ish years of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Elder Scrolls history with all these different people, it's hard to keep it like perfectly consistent. So you need to get, you know, your cope sword out and razor, razor the law a bit and like fix it up, you know?


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[Assistant] Inside and out. It's like, you'll even get that kind of disconnect with even things of like sort of the battle spire kind of, uhm, era.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's just some, I like, I know there's things in, in battles, why sometimes you're like, you know what I mean? It's like that, you can tell it's, doesn't fit the exact same sort of image of the Elder Scrolls.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then what's Elder Scrolls 6 gonna look like? What kind of revolutions do you think he's gonna, he's gonna take? Like, who's the, how's he gonna take it down, you know?


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[Assistant] Like, how's he gonna take down Skyrim and replace it with Elder Scrolls VI, the new revolution of settlement building.


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[Assistant] But, uh, so yeaah, the Mysterium's Axis has got heaps of cool stuff to it, and, you know, being used with a razor, cause also outside of just the razor, the razor by itself is just like, oh, it's a


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[Assistant] Cool dagger, really. It's like a legendary dagger, unless you consider all of the metaphysical things and its interactions with the Mythic Dawn commentaries and Mysterium Xarxes and so on.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you know by heart, but uhm, I know his, uh, forearms are often associated with like different weather.


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[Assistant] Uh, there is another thing like one of his things is Storm, and basically he's just viewing weather as weapons because I know he's also like got different weapons all the time like the claws and axe and stuff like that. And one thing when you do look at his Daedric artifacts, he is kind of like, he has a lot of weaponry going around and like a lot of


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[Assistant] He's credited with creating them, so like in the spirit of, there's different stories around the spirit of mercy that, that he created, but he also like created the Daedric Crescence, like for all of his army and stuff, had these Daedric Crescence, and there's this Deadland Hammer, and then there's the Mehrunes Razor itself, and then there's the Sword of the Moon Reaver, like he has like a,


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[Assistant] You know, and I guess you do when you want a revolution army kind of, you know, bent on destruction, weapons are at their core for destruction of something.


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[Assistant] Before he goes off attacking everything.


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[Assistant] But uhm, we can start, we can also just bring up like, well, because there's some other interpretations and there's one that just takes this fearsome looking character and completely trivializes him in the Khajiit pantheon.


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[Assistant] So being called like just, he's just like the fire cat or whatever, but he's basically, yeah, he's a little destructive kitten because like, you know how little kitten will get somewhere and then, you know, they're just playing and destroying and like, you know, tear up your clothes or something like that. But it's, that's the kind of vibe that.


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[Assistant] It's, I just like how they trivialize this giant like force of destruction by making him a little cat. I mean that they make-


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[Assistant] I'll have to like verify the exact story again, but there's something vaguely about this, there's a rock that, uhm,


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[Assistant] I think it was, I think it's Margarn or something. Yeah, it is, it's Margarn. Yeah, Mehrunes Dagon was going to throw a rock at all of these, like a meteor-y looking thing against all of these, um, Dunmer, but then Vivec sort of like...


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[Assistant] Respect in the eyes of the Dramora who serve our mayor in Stagon.


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[Assistant] And why I think Morrowinds liked a lot is they really made an effort to make the mythology and the world building of the world like, kind of like,


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[Assistant] Tangible, like a, like a place that you go to. I mean, it does exist in the other games, but it's like when you go to this, it kind of like...


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[Assistant] I think that might be the rock, I can't quite remember, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Anyway, that, uh, having all of those environmental, like, cues and something like that, that provide history and context, it's kind of like encourages you to get into the religion and stuff instead of just reading it through, through books because there's all of these places that you're going to explore in this open world and, and...


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[Assistant] And see, and then you'll get the context behind it, which then introduces into the lore instead of like, Oh, here you have to read a book to get it. Like, cause I remember like, dude, when I was a kid, like I didn't really understand the mythic Dawn's plans outside of vague, even evil kind of things. Because if you.


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[Assistant] His book is just like, it's just, it's, you know what I mean? For starters, you have to read a book. Like I didn't used to read books. I do now. But when I was a kid, I didn't read books in games. Like I played a game to play a game, like not read the book. So it's best if you can kind of like both is good, but you know what I mean? You just want a little bit more of it in the front and center of the game experience.


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[Assistant] I don't know if we want to talk about it like we could, cause we did bring this up again, but I did like the little line about uhm,


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[Assistant] I think it was Gary Noonan talking about how, uh, her scene was intended to be a, like, leader of, uh, the armies, or of Wameor and Stagon's armies, and they've had a bit of a close association, and you can kind of, like, extrapolate on that further with the Spear of Bitter Mercy being, uhm,


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[Assistant] Being, uhm, like, supposedly created by either her scene or Baron's Dagon and other stories or, you know. You know what I mean.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It depends on the myth. I'm pretty sure the Richmond myths about her seeing really like the spear is very like his her saying, yeah, like it's a different kind of, cause it's almost like they call and they can call him like the spear. I think it's the spear of five points. They actually call her saying that because it's just like, so you know what I mean? Closely embodied with it.


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[Assistant] I mean, Haskell mentions some stuff about Dagon. I was just thinking about interactions between Dagon and other Daedric Princes. You don't, cause I don't know if there are many stor- I don't think there are many stories about


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[Assistant] I mean, they did add a lot of this in the Shivering Isles that Sheogorath interacts with, like, Veimina and her scene and all of these different characters because it came in the Sixteen Accords of Madness series of books, but I don't know


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[Assistant] Also, uhm, looping back to how we were talking about, uh, Molag Baal, uhm, in, relative to him, is that, uhm, they're said to be bitter rifles, and this is just in one of those, uhm,


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[Assistant] Lawmaster archive kind of questions or so on, but it makes sense as well in that regard, like how he wouldn't just become Moloch, battle of domination, like his, his point is only like, well, like we kind of said at the start is chaotic neutral. He's just there.


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[Assistant] To bring down the top and then that's it. He does, cause it's kind of like, it's bringing everything down, but not rebuilding it and not asserting control over the things. And like the whole mythic dawn, the idea just brings the dawn back, back to the dawn era. The, the, it kind of, it's kind of almost like, I guess a return to chaos. Like he's the ultimate anarchist almost, you know.


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[Assistant] A good way, like I guess too, like you could envision Marion's Dagon as the ultimate anarchist and Merlach Bell as the ultimate dictator. Like they're just complete opposite ends of the spectrum, like hyper-authoritarian and...


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[Assistant] It's a crazy never ending cycle in that regard. Yeah, uhm, I don't know what else there is to, uh, really, like, I mean, cause there's things that I guess we kind of, uh, skim over a little bit more because kind of assumed, like, I mean, no house.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I-I-I-I'm curious, what do you think they'll actually do with the Elder Scrolls Online stuff?


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[Assistant] It's called Jaws of Oblivion, is the, is the, so just think of that as the... Oh sorry, it wasn't, it wasn't the laughter, it was the happy voices.


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[Assistant] Oh sorry, Gates of Oblivion by the way is what it's called. Jaws of Oblivion is the Elder Scrolls Legends DLC. It's called Gates of Oblivion.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe, I hope, this is, this is such a big hope, that they're like, maybe they're like, telegraphing with, uhm, with the Mehrunes Dagon stuff, cause it's, uh, relevant, but maybe there could also be like, other gates you go to, like, other, some other realms that it involves a bit more than just Dagon.


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[Assistant] Do you know what? I'm kind of on board with the whole like, I don't think we need remasters to be honest.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I mean, the straight up, the thing is with a straight up remaster is like, I do like that, like a Pokemon approach, like, you know, with like heart gold and soul silver. Remember they really put in a lot of like effort and new stuff. Yeah. It's more than just better graphics because like,


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[Assistant] Which, you know, would be fine if you like Oblivion's combat, like Felcor, or, I mean, Morrowind, to be honest, deserves it more in that regard, like if you, if you brought it up to sort of modern, uh, standards or something.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you what, they've kinda gotta, like, I know that, uh, there's some cool stuff that came out of the, the Skyrim DLC, the most recent, uh, the Greymoor stuff, um, and the Markarth stuff. There's some cool stuff in there, but I, I feel like...


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[Assistant] Following up with this, it's kind of like, oh, you're going to Skyrim again. And now it's like, oh, now we're gonna go to, you know, Oblivion themed stuff again. Like, you know, the same topic material. I feel like that should like, mix it up a little bit and...


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[Assistant] And throw in some other things. Like, cause think about it, like most of the DLCs are like, oh, we're gonna, Morrowind, we're gonna do Vvardenfell again. Okay, now we're gonna do Skyrim again. Like, Somerset was unique, Elsweyr was unique. Uhm, and obviously there's some like smaller ones and stuff, like Orsinium.


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[Assistant] Well I think a lot of Valenwood is there, like if you look at the, uhm, I'll just find it, there's the ESO-like map that covers all their expansions and really, I'm pretty sure it was just a little bit of, there's bits of Cyrodiil still uncovered, but then there's good chunks of Hammerfell, like they've done some Hammerfell.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess, but they're excited for more, just more content. But there's gonna, but if you were to look at the three spaces left, there's a big chunk of Hammerfell, there's a big chunk of like, um,


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[Assistant] Of, uh, what do you call it? Uh, Western, Cyrodiil. And then there's a big chunk of, um, Black Marsh that they could still like, where you could put like a big size of stuff in there. And if you think of that 2021 is Jaws of Oblivion thing, and then there's three more years, 2024 Elder Scrolls 6, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, there was just this one other little line about like, that


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[Assistant] They can, um, signs of their cultists that there's tremors or something. I just lost what I was reading, but basically that, um, that, uh, when their cultists, uh, acting, they can be on one second.


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[Assistant] It's from another lore thing, but I do like the, the natural disaster element a little bit more. They just throw it in there rather than just destruction. Like, yeah, I dunno. I can imagine him sort of like with one arm being like a meteor, one with like a tornado, one with like a lightning bolt and one with like, I dunno, tidal wave or something. Like I like that kinda.


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[Assistant] You guys can actually let us know in the comments too how you would like us to do these videos because often we find, I mean you've been enjoying them so far but often there's a lot of like


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[Assistant] We can talk way more on the metaphysical elements, but then kind of like miss some of the more insignificant kind of like in 389, he had a,


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Yeah, me. Not the Daedrologist Drew. Not the Daedrologist Drew. I just wanted to say he's got so many titles. I haven't checked. But I think that he has more titles than any other Daedric Prince. The Court of Corruption.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the, the, so of strife, the god of brutality, prince of murder, dark lord, god of schemes, harvester of souls, prince of domination, lord of brutality, dread lord, lord of cold harbour, dark, there's too many. In fact, the wiki dedicated an entire section to his titles.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Molag the slave lord, the schema, there's Captain of Corruption. There's just too many names going on. Seems like a pretty chill guy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so if you haven't gathered from all of those titles, Molag Bao is not a particularly friendly Daedric Prince. In fact, you could argue that he is easily the most evil Daedric Prince if we were to try and quantify evil with normal morality. I'd probably say so, yeah.


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[Assistant] I think that would be too nice. I feel like he would have the ants eat each other.


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[Assistant] But not be able to die and just live in eternal pain. That is, I'm serious, that's his kind of stuff. He could just kill people, but he chooses not to. He likes to make it like a, like a display that lasts forever. Especially for Daedric Princes, they don't have the same concept of time, so.


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[Assistant] I couldn't grasp about that reading the book that that's in is what the purpose of that is. Like does that lead to some kind of Briarheart creation? Or is it, is it just an execution because it doesn't specify, it just kind of says in place of the, you know, your typical Briarheart


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[Assistant] They just put in a bunch of hot coals.


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[Assistant] Not a very nice guy, and in addition to all of that, which we'll obviously get into and explain more, he also has a massive reputation as being a kind of father of the undead, uhm, and notably, uh, the creator of vampires.


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[Assistant] When he, uh, forcibly took the virginity of Le Mei Bao and who was a Nidic woman.


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[Assistant] And killed her in the process. And killed her in the process and she kind of became, uh, the first vampire. And he did it all to spite Ark.


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[Assistant] That's the other thing, he is quite a spiteful Daedric Prince, like he will just do things to- I mean, to be fair, they all are. Like, I mean, a lot of them, they all try and get back at each other and-


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, push and shove and whatever. But he's also quite egotistical, which is something that most people never really talk about. Uhm, you'll notice, because Daedric princes don't really have a set form.


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[Assistant] But he chooses to look, you know, like this demon with the classic head and face that you see kind of, um, engraved, um,


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[Assistant] Into the Mace of Molag Bao, but that iconography is everywhere. It's all over his realm. It's in, you know, the lights, it's in like doors and walls and it's just all over the place. And I think there's a quote somewhere about him, his own face looking back at him in his realm at all times.


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[Assistant] I think it's even viewed as weak by like Dagon in the sense of like, you know, if you have to like force people into submission for your own.


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[Assistant] I don't know, ego amusement or something. You're in, you get what I'm getting at. There's actually a quote, a good one by, um, Flaminus Octor about Dagon versus Bao because a lot of people kind of


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[Assistant] See similarities between them and obviously there are similarities but they're also very different.


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[Assistant] Molek Baal exists to dominate, and here's something we haven't really talked about as much, and deceive. His cultists will persuade you that a plague is loose, and the only way to stop it is to burn your city down yourself.


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[Assistant] So, that's another thing about kind of why he's so evil. Because he's deceptive, and he's extremely patient.


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[Assistant] This is the kind of person who would be willing to wait for thousands of years just to have some plan unfold, but not a conspiracy like Dagon to just overthrow or, you know, be a revolution and turn the hourglass on its head and shake things up, just


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[Assistant] Because he can. Because he just wants to, you know, do something horrible to someone. And there's even a quote that says that he prefers lies, you know, to hurt people and to break them down, except where the truth hurts more, and then he prefers


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[Assistant] How one-dimensional he was before when he was the ruler.


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[Assistant] If he was just in control and you know, winning, but you know, doing


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[Assistant] I mean, it's funny even if you look at some of the societies that have chosen to worship him, they only kind of, um, prove even more just how evil he is when you look at what they do, like the A-lids, um, the massive fans of Mo Lack Bow.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, because if you do want kind of domination and power, there are other Daedric Princes to pick.


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[Assistant] Who can kind of give you the same thing, but have a better philosophical angle. You could probably trust them a little bit more, because they don't have a reputation for deceiving and inflicting pain. Although an interesting thing about Molek Baal and


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[Assistant] It's hard to know just how solid this is, but he does seem to have some sort of respect for people who kind of are similar to him, like powerful people who like to dominate and, you know, they don't take shit.


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[Assistant] And, like, this kind of archetype he tends to like, uhm, but I don't think that necessarily gives you any kind of, uhm, safety from him, you know?


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[Assistant] Flesh sculpture kind of stuff, uhm, because there's actually a flesh sculptor in the, uhm, imperial kind of city area in Elder Scrolls Online. Uhm, there's like a, I think it's a zivoli, I remember fighting.


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[Assistant] Some powerful zivalai, but known to be like a flesh sculptor. And that's all, you know, more like bow kind of like, um, zone, so to speak, you know, all the cold harbour daedra and things pouring out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's actually a thing here where it says, uh,


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[Assistant] The city citizens were brought to the imperial prison where a flesh sculptor, a powerful necromancer who held mastery over flesh, turned mortal skin and organs into carriers for plague and disease, creating flesh devices that would spew noxious clouds to contaminate the earth around them.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I would definitely say that he was involved. As much as the aliens were said to do that kind of stuff for art, not necessarily as like an offensive strategy or anything like that.


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[Assistant] I think it's safe to say that he was involved with a lot of those things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, at least Shay Agorath is kinda like having fun with it, you know?


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[Assistant] He'll claim yourself forever that he's not evil per se, you know, he's just crazy and crazy people can do some kind of, you know, quote, evil stuff, but they're not doing it out of malice. They're doing it because they're nuts. Yeah, I don't even think my mouth likes cheese. What would you prefer?


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[Assistant] But what would you prefer? I mean, they're both, they both sound terrible, but at least in Shivering Isles, you have a chance of some mania realm kind of like crazy fun stuff. The other one you'd know you're just going to be toiling away in cold harbor. And hold on, let me just, let me just finish this.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure it's said that when he takes your soul and you don't have a soul anymore but you still exist, it causes incredible like anguish and pain and like mental, uhm, deterioration almost. Like it's not a pleasant state to be in forever.


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[Assistant] With excrement too, like, it just has to be that much more foul and disgusting. And there's something extra gross about, uhm, I'm not sure what the, the, uhm, the quote is, but something about his realm and, uh, perfume. Like, there's a smell of...


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[Assistant] Like flesh or like decay, but also like sweet perf- perfume.


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[Assistant] I remember it being another Daedric Prince, but then I swear I saw the same quote.


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[Assistant] And he's there praying at his dead wife's grave and it's just, it's just terrible. By the way, by the way, may have zoned out there a little, but I've got this fact check.


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[Assistant] 2920 Coldharbour Oblivion, listed there as the location. Talks about Sotha Sil going through, you know, the blackened halls of the palace.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. More than your, and more than the kind of art style we've been seeing in Elder Scrolls Online with your Daedric Titans and your, you know, vampire lords who look like Tekken characters. There's just too thick in-


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[Assistant] It's just different. It's more demonic, it's more classic demon looking now. Like before even, his whole, it's not just his face, like his, his whole deal was like a mix of animals, you know, he was like this green skinned, uhm, I guess humanoid, with like a goat-like face, and goat legs, and elephant ears.


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[Assistant] It's actually funny, his concept art for Elder Scrolls Online, I mean, as we like to say, always looks better.


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[Assistant] Um, it's the same thing, it just looks like Scrawnia and just a little more like, yuck. Well, you mean he looks Scrawnia in ESO? No, in the ESO concept art than he does in just actual ESO. Yeah, I think it's- I may be wrong. Oh, yeah, I'd say so.


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[Assistant] It's interesting, so I was going to say it's interesting that he actually assaulted or tried to assault the Lunalattice, um, alongside Maroons and Meridnunder. Oh, Meridion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which is that Molag Bao basically expects all of his followers to just do what he says without question. Like, you must obey me because I'm dominating you. Whereas Boethiah kind of has more of like a teacher aspect in the sense of like you should question and oppose authority.


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[Assistant] Um, and not just get down on your knees for me and do whatever I say just because I say it. Like she almost wants them to understand on a deeper level, not just follow because follow.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a bit, bit funny. I mean, you actually do see the rivalry with Boethiah carry through into Skyrim. Um, with Molag Baal's quest and the mace and a priest of Boethiah has desecrated his shrine and all of that stuff.


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[Assistant] Well, well, another interesting thing about Molec Bow is that he actually seems to like, um, speculating.


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[Assistant] Experimenting, uhm, which is a part of him not often talked about. Uh, he has a, in Coldharper, the Vile Laboratory, uhm, which he uses for all kinds of horrific experiments, and it kind of ties in with the whole


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[Assistant] I guess, uh, genetics, bleising or ruining bloodlines and all that kind of stuff, where he actually created, uh, the mix of a Dromora and a Zivoli.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I mean he even forces people to like, um, drink certain potions and stuff as well. I know the, the mind shriven, uh, which can be mortal or daedra. Basically they're forced to drink this, this potion which,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean he literally used the organs of these people too to create like different weapons and like he has all kinds of weird biological creations, both enemies, weapons.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just a lot of foul stuff, and unsurprisingly, he has a lot of enemies. Uhm, unsurprisingly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I suppose we could move on to talking about some of his artifacts perhaps. Though, he does not have many artifacts that are for the player to wield. A lot of them that you'll find listed are just kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] Random, uh, objects or, um, instruments more in the Elder Scrolls Online, uh, you know, such as the Mortem Vivicus, which is like this big magical


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[Assistant] I-I-I agree. Because you could start putting it to anything. Like uhm, you could just say like, oh, nocturnals. I dunno.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which is pretty cool, and obviously, as a kind of weapon of domination, I think the enchantment of, uh, taking the magic and stamina away from the victim, you know, it's kind of draining them of their vitality, is a pretty fitting thing. Uhm, although it didn't always do that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it, it had soul trap, uh, at one point.


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[Assistant] I did Soul Trap actually, because- Skyrim has Soul Trap.


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[Assistant] Oh, is it Skyrim's one that's soul trapped? I always thought it was- Oh, I think I'm thinking of Volendrung with just the stamina enchantment.


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[Assistant] absorb strength and absorb magicka, and in Morrowind it was actually the same, uhm, back when attributes were a thing, which is cool, cause you know, you're taking away their strength, and then, as you continue to smack them with the mace, you deal more damage, because you're becoming stronger at the same time.


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[Assistant] That's right, it was one of the unique artifacts that actually had three effects. Yeah.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of cringe as well, actually. What's that then? If you wanted to talk about, uhm, sometimes I think the writers in Elder Scrolls Online, they go a bit too far, and uhm, there was actually a court of contempt.


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[Assistant] In cold harbor, where, uhm, there is a bunch of, uh, basically you get put on trial for transgressions there if you commit a crime. And by the way, there are a bunch of rules, 701 idics.


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[Assistant] Which you have to follow as one of his minions, and you go to this court, called the court of contempt, and you are entitled to a council of scamps, outfitted in puffy wigs.


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[Assistant] Is, uhm, a case where a minion put a whoopee cushion, I'm not even kidding, on Molag Bao's throne. And so he was there for, this Dramora was imprisoned in a nanoplane as his punishment for the whoopee cushion incident. This is real lore, ladies and gentlemen.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, yeaah, it's like, what's an artifact and what isn't. Uhm, I will say something else about Molag Bow is that he has kind of, uhm, not well-clarified son and a daughter listed. A son, a Daedric Titan, uh, a daughter named Molag Grunda, a powerful-winged twilight. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but these ones are almost written to be taken literally, and in it, there's this weird kind of like separation. Although I do agree with you, like the, the Zivkin we were talking about, if Moloch Baal, you know, created them in his laboratory, is he not their father?


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[Assistant] Well, I'm not sure what else there is to talk about, uh, cause we kind of covered vampires a lot in the vampire episode. He has a lot of servants, but, um, none of them are like particularly, um,


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[Assistant] Crazy interesting, like you know, Twilight's and uhm, everything becomes, you know, like classic ESO skinning stuff, but like cold flame skin.


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[Assistant] Was something about a regular flame atronach being summoned in his palace and like, smashing one of his favorite things. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. And then they're like, aw, only, that's banned, so you have to summon the blue ones now.


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[Assistant] That blue fire is usually just really hot normal. Hot, yeaah, yeaah, but like, let's run with it.


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[Assistant] We're making this canon. Let's roll. We're mithing it into existence. It was a nice, it was a nice sculptor. Sculpture. That uhm, was smashed by the flame atronach. His favorite. His favorite. Ice sculpture. Poor guy. Mhm. Gonna have to incite a thousand. I bet Azura gave it to him.


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[Assistant] When I was reading up on MolochBow yesterday, I found that to be a kinda weird thing to think about Daedric Prince as having a hygiene.


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[Assistant] Do they, do they really clean or I feel like it's a choice to be like, mm, mortals hate bad smells. Make, I want to be smelly. I'm smelly now. Like, I don't know. That's, do they, do they floss? I just don't think so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, same as Apocrypha. Apocrypha is a very kinda like one-skinned realm, and in a sense, it's very straightforward. Yes.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I just, I think I might have a kind of like hangover still from the soul can in Skyrim, where anything that's like that kind of purple-y, dark realm, and they use it a lot in the Elder Scrolls Online, like with Nocturnal or like other Daedric Princes, I kind of just go like,


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[Assistant] Interestingly enough, this is kind of a take not related to MolochBow.


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[Assistant] But uhm, as much as Daedric realms are cool, I much prefer all of the Daedric interaction in the mortal realm.


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[Assistant] Then to the actual, like, exploring the realms. Outside of, like you said, the Shivering Isles is extremely interesting, and I think exploring the Isles is far more interesting than Shagrath doing some stuff in Tamriel, there's an exception.


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[Assistant] Generally speaking, it's always the other way around, where I just prefer seeing how they influence them more.


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[Assistant] Anyway, more like battle. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for tuning in. I'm not sure if we've got anything left to say. He is somewhat of a straightforward Daedric Prince, which is why it's fairly easy to pin him as evil if we're going to use binary labels. Unless he pins you.


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[Assistant] Unless he pins you. Wow. Great way to, uh, end the podcast. Social media links are in the description. So is our merch link. If you want to get an awesome looking tee and support the channel, it's been Michael Scott and Drew, and we look forward to nerding out with you again very soon.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet. I'm Scott here with Michael and Drew as always and today's topic is all about the Bosma. We haven't done a race video in a while, so we're going to be talking broadly about everything Bosma. Drew, Michael, take it away!


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure there is the, somewhere it's written that they're the most populous elf. That there's the most, wood elves are the highest proportion of all elves.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, just to clarify, like violent, not as in like any way aggressive or anything. It's, it's, yeah. They're like the hunt. They, you know, hunting's a part of their thing and they have, you know, they're carnivorous. They have to eat basically anything they kill, which includes other people. If you would hear to the green pact.


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[Assistant] Peaceful races in the way that they have never instigated a war with another or like invaded another nation or anything and they also live among


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[Assistant] Ifri, they, they treat as like the spirit of the now. So I guess similar to sort of Argonians, I guess even to Richmond to an extent, but a different philosophy on it. They're very, they're not like really entrenched in the past. So I feel like there are kind of people that don't necessarily hold grudges because I mean, if they did, they'd have a lot of reason to hold grudges.


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[Assistant] I was just going to say they're known to like fast before big battles. So if they know they'll like fast for days before they're going to have, so they can feast after they.


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[Assistant] Might be a good idea, just so if anyone who has basically no idea of the Bosmer or very little, the main idea with the green pact is that the Bosmer was once part of this big


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[Assistant] I don't know if, I can't remember if it's explicitly called the ooze, but a similar kind of principle of ever-changing forms is there in the mythologies of the Khajiit and elsewhere who have similar ideas.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but basically these group, they made a pact with Ifri, who was their like forest, uh, like a forest god basically.


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[Assistant] And in Valenwood and when they made this pact, it's basically that they can.


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[Assistant] They will have stabilized forms so they can be the Bosmer that you see today and become the Bosmer and live here peacefully and great and everything, but you just cannot harm any of the forest, any of the nature, only, um, animals, other animals and stuff. So all of their, um, all of their tools, all of their food, everything has to be.


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[Assistant] Um, acquired from animals and you know, beetles and anything that's like a living thing, but no vegetation or plant.


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[Assistant] It's called a Jagger or something, isn't it?


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[Assistant] I think it kind of ends up being like they do tend to find like these pragmatic loopholes where


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[Assistant] They can kind of somewhat tolerate it because it's kind of like, oh, but we benefit from all of the minerals mined and stuff like that from the wood orcs. So.


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[Assistant] They can destroy the nature and sell it to us. It's, we're not breaking the pact, but you know what I mean? Like, so you can imagine some would be absolutely zealous and against the real hardcore green pacters, but then there could be ones that are a little bit more fluid. They're like, oh yeah, you know, we're not technically doing it.


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[Assistant] And naturally because of this too, in terms of like weapons, some of the most effective weapons that you could forge without metal, like so you're not going to be making these great metal saws and all that kind of stuff, is you do have the bows, which can be, you know, carved from bone and stuff like that and the sinewy bits and make bow strings. You can make a bow entirely from, from, um, animals.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, I know it's in a book, isn't it, I think. I think so. Something like that, but that could also just be kind of a bit of a like...


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[Assistant] Metaphorically, kind of, or believing the powers there or something. But the biggest thing, like, Bosmer Archers are, uhm, obviously they're the best in, in Tamriel.


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[Assistant] We know to snatch and fire arrows in one continuous motion. So, you know, take Legolas from Lord of the Rings movies. You can kind of imagine that. And then when you put them in a big...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but then again, because they're not the most united group of people, uhm, at times, they've seemed to be walked over as well. They're sort of like peaceful, like non-war-like.


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? Like it's soft, like for example, like when the Aldmeri Dominion basically is like, oh, here's an old treaty and the, and the Clovians are getting too rough. You know, you, you, we're going to take you under our wing.


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? Even though there's the Cameron dynasty, it's kind of like more like little veil and wood nations that kind of cooperate and they have spiritual leaders, but it's a bit more like a, a federation feeling rather than a strict, like, you know.


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[Assistant] Emperor or king at the top kind of thing. There is, there are at times, but you know it ebbs and flows. It's not like a-


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[Assistant] Well, and then that's the other thing, Valenwood by nature too, but because of all of that, uhm, has fostered lots of mini communities, like whether that be, you know, like we said, wood orcs or centaurs and groups, but like, you know, some of the last, uh, ailed survivors, um, refugees, um, were in Valenwood and settled there for a while before they eventually like, you know, bred out or moved or whatnot, but,


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[Assistant] And also, I'm pretty sure even, uh, uh, actually, Elise, um, during the ailed slaving, a lot of slaves, uh, human slaves fled to Valenwood as well and they would be chill in Valenwood. The Bosmer wouldn't bother them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it'd be a bigger culture adjustment, imagine, you know, when like Bosma, like they went to Cyrodiil or something too, like it probably gives them that really bad reputation. They stole it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's like, if I went and killed your brother, then you came and kidnapped one of my, like, other males of my tribe and then you made them your symbolic brother and you basically like, you know.


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[Assistant] Does say ancient tradition, referencing back to the first era dates, and that could be like early first era. Well, like you can't really imagine. It's worth mentioning. It's cause it's super.


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[Assistant] Yeah, hold on, let me just, uh, find the actual original source. I'll read what the, I can pull it up on the wiki itself. I just want to get the real source as well. Is, uhm.


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[Assistant] Uhm, after a period of physical torture, supposedly to test their worthiness, the captive is joylessly welcomed into the clan.


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[Assistant] This sudden reversal from horrific abuse to loving embrace befuddles the weak wits of a Bosma captive who cleaves to his tormentors. Traditionally, the victim was given the deceased tribe member's position, uh, possessions and family.


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[Assistant] Though this practice may be rarely audited nowadays. So it's, it's really weird. It's like a cultural Stockholm syndrome. You torture them until like, yes, yes, I am part of the family. I am your bro.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that's the similar, a similar. It's kind of like a feel similar.


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[Assistant] Like a massive part, I think arguably you could go and say that like, stories and myth are like the most important for, like, they're taken a bit more literally and for the Bosmer, like you have the spinners being the Bosmeri priests who


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[Assistant] Record the stories of the people, past, present, and future, all that kind of stuff, and they're associated with Ifri, the storyteller, which is their most-


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, most important god in the Bosmeri pantheon, and also the one they made the green pact with, and he's said to have like, you know, spanned stories to make all of the, all of Valenwood. Yeah, all his songs and stuff.


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[Assistant] And especially because you can kind of see that like the spinners, you know, as priests maintaining history, culture, all that kind of stuff, they can kind of, and you know, a lot of it from understanding it was, um, they're like a, it's a lot of oral storytelling, so they're kind of like,


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[Assistant] It can kind of be manipulated and changed so the myth can evolve and so on, and also when you throw in that they just don't have the same sort of, uhm, I guess, uh, what do you call it, uhm,


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[Assistant] I think I did read somewhere about the using stones, um, and also they can use leaves. And I think it's because I guess you'd imagine if you're not harming it, like if it was just some kind of.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or if you snap a branch as you're running through those trees. But I guess they learn to like be so nimble and light-footed that they don't snap a branch.


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[Assistant] Well, cause imagine, imagine if it was actually taken so seriously, like religiously, like if you snap the branch, you're breaking the pact. So you'd be extra careful and sort of like, you know.


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[Assistant] I think it's also worth mentioning too that, so some people might, like a lot of older sort of traditional ideas and look before ESO is that you have sort of the Uldmer and then Ultmer and then they sort of go, you know, they migrate off to Valenwood, they become the Kymer, they, uhm, Bosmer, then there's the Kymer up in Resdain and so on.


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[Assistant] It doesn't actually really stack up anymore, with all of the new mythology, stuff with both the Khajiit mythology, the entire Khajiit mythology, and the entire Bosma mythology, both referencing this ooze, this idea that they've always been there.


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[Assistant] Plus, you also don't have Topol arriving in Valenwood or anything like that, and so he sort of shows up and then goes around, but there's no sort of, we don't really hear explicitly any time about there's some sort of Diaspora to Valenwood, then they become the Bosmer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and I guess, so for those who don't know that, uh, the, the wild hunt is the one time where they can go to their bestial forms. So basically in times of great crisis.


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[Assistant] Um, and one of the most famous ones, uh, instances of that is when you have King Borgas of Skyrim at the time in the early first era. This is in times of the Elysian order. He came down to the Elysians because he was all into this Elysian religion, which was quite inherently anti-elven.


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[Assistant] And he wanted to come down and basically start a war against Valenwood and, you know, eliminate the elves. So basically the, the kind of like, uh, uhm,


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[Assistant] Preplanning sort of response from the uhm, some people say it was like anticipating this to happen, the wood elves, you know, invoked the wild hunt and went and killed King Borgus and that also, you know, that changed up Skyrim a fair bit, but if you're curious, when you go to get the Jagged Crown,


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[Assistant] Uhm, in the Skyrim questline, that's King Borgas as a, as a draugr sitting on that throne and so on. He was the one killed by the, uh, wild hunt.


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[Assistant] It's also worth mentioning that some of, you know, if you can see some of the Bosmer with kind of, uh, bestial features like some like antlers or just some different, and I mean, it's cool concept art from like pre-Somora and stuff with more bestial features, but, um,


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[Assistant] They, they do have the, it's kind of like seen as like little remnants of, of the wild hunt kind of thing. So like giving the little antlers and bits and pieces and decals and.


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[Assistant] Cause the way, the way I imagined it, if, if it was even, you could argue that it's not a traditional, like a typical society that usually has like distinct gender roles, but,


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[Assistant] I always imagined the, uh, the Bosmer being shorter and smaller was a benefit to them in terms of being like the alpha hunter because they're quicker and nimble and they'll quickly get there and shoot the prey. So they actually became the best rather than someone's


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess we can also mention, in terms of religion, just so we don't completely go away from that.


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[Assistant] They, obviously, Ifri is the most important part. They also do, kind of, recognize Oriil and they do have a lot of, uhm, similar pantheon, like, you know, your classic RK, Xarxes, Mara, sort of similar Aldmeri pantheon stuff. However, I wonder what you guys think about this, but,


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[Assistant] Uh, the whole idea that they're kind of come from Aurel even.


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[Assistant] I actually wonder if this is actually sort of...


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[Assistant] Propaganda that's kind of imparted onto them by the High Elves post, because like, I imagine really, like, where is Auriel coming to it? If they're just these big ooze, and then, you know, Ifri shapes them and so on. They look like elves, but I don't think it necessarily, like, that they necessarily descended from Auriel in the same way that


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[Assistant] It's that same thing too. It's like inherently, like if you're sort of like, you know, fundamentalist, like Altamira and so on, they're always looking into the past and how, you know, the gods were wronged in the past and that's why we're in this condition now. We must preserve the purity of the past of the past.


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[Assistant] Whereas if you got this like, you know, live in the now man, you know, and they can't smoke weed though, but they do smoke beetles out of bone pipes instead of psychedelic beetles perhaps.


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[Assistant] Some other quick notes just to add as well, uhm, onto their religion.


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[Assistant] Is not accepting the limitation of just eight divines and how it sort of seems because they're like this, you know, hippie sort of, you know, storyteller God kind of things. They're most important, but they do have a lot of.


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[Assistant] But it's not really out, her scene outside of the werewolf part, is it? Like, he's actual like sportsmanship, he's hunting. His hunting's the biggest focus for him, which is very agreeable with wasmaculture, which is why the...


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[Assistant] Well the source, the source is varieties of faith, Tamriel, but it's specifically, it's like additional deities with significant Bosmeri cults, Hircine being one of them. Like their main-


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[Assistant] It's interesting too, I mean we can kind of start diving into that, but


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[Assistant] There is, obviously, like any culture, but there is divergence among their beliefs, like,


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[Assistant] There's, you know, your green pack traditionalists and then there's a lot who are like to hell with that. And especially if you sort of think about it in as if you believe all the parabolic caliper kind of stuff, you know, moving away from the mythic into the mundane, you can kind of go a lot of people's attachment to gods or the same reverence of practices that are religious and associated with the gods.


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[Assistant] It's strange, like, and I guess it's strange, because this is the other thing too to consider with, uhm,


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[Assistant] Velenwood as well, it's been a part of multiple empires, it's been a part of, cause everyone looks at like the Empire vs Elven and then like the Empire takes over and that changes things, but it's like even the Aldmeri Dominion coming in changes things and like I was just suggesting, the idea that they're all like, descended from Oriel and they're really like, Aldmeri Pantheon stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you do get things like, you know, I'm pretty sure, this is just off memory, but I'm pretty sure, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know that thief, there's a, there's a wood elf thief who was a part of, he was like a noble or something in Valenwood, who joined the thieves' guild in Skyrim, and he got kicked out of his home.


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[Assistant] But uhm, I think even he was saying, it's like, oh, I was in a great manor with the finest wine and all that kind of stuff. Like, they do import all their, when you start importing all of these luxuries from other places, because, you know, I'm not breaking the Green Pact because it's not Valenwood.


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[Assistant] You can see they'll like kinda get addicted to that. Like, you know, if you're drinking wine, you're drinking, you know, a fruit of like, you know, vegetation, then it's sort of like...


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[Assistant] I know it's from somewhere else, but you know what I mean? It's kind of like a slippery slope for them. I feel like they'd be like, what's one berry off the tree?


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[Assistant] I think it's Bosma, the most traditional Green Pact Bosma ideology stuff is practically impossible to keep 100% true to unless you are some sort of tribal society, like the earliest wood elves living in nature.


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[Assistant] I mean, you could also throw out there too, like, I wonder if the Cameron dynasty is actually part of the problem, cause I mean, Cameron dynasty first starts off


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[Assistant] You know, it builds itself, it builds itself up as a dynasty, but then it kind of fades again.


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[Assistant] But uhm, you know, and like we talked about, like they become part of the, the, the Riemann Empire, and then you got the third era, the Camerons, who again, man, they managed to survive as a Bosmeri power, they're reinstituted as the rulers and so on, but they're always kind of, it's kind of like, uh,


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[Assistant] Um, other little, I guess we can start talking about some of the just, um, other little fun little facts and so on, but like, I like how they've been referenced to, um, or known to sharpen their teeth into points for the most, some of the most kind, like we obviously don't see this in game, but like some of the more like, you know, for the carnivorous so they can tear easier and obviously, you know, you can see they look pretty traditionally


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[Assistant] If you go like mega tribal or caveman kind of like images in your head, they're all wearing big bone headdresses and animal skins and leather and so on. I actually think ESO


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[Assistant] Does an okay job sometimes with it, other times a lot of the Bozmarama can kinda look just too elven, but I guess it makes sense if you've got, you know, the Aldmeri Dominion going on at that time, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I feel like there's a nice balance to cast with Elder Scroll, uhm, with fantasy armors and stuff. Like, I like ones that are a little bit more interesting and not necessarily realistic, but I still like them to, I don't know, just have a bit of...


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[Assistant] Taste. Class. You know? Like, they feel realistic. It's easy when it's like one step from realistic versus like ten steps from, you know what I mean? But that's just me, I guess. And a few others.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I guess, I guess too, like, obviously, like I was saying, like, all of their, um, decorations, everything. Bone resin is another one. I'm interested why, how they can use resin, cause isn't, isn't resins like, um, from trees.


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[Assistant] Yeah, isn't it like, it's basically the equivalent of a scab or something, if I'm remembering correctly, like for a tree.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It's cool. It's crazy, so there's this, there used to be like, I think it's only referenced in a concept art or something of Dunmer, but using spider silk cloaks, like all of their, you know, stuff is made of spider silk. Uhm. That's cool.


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[Assistant] So you can, there's stuff, I'm pretty sure they can make spider silk now. It's just, it's harder, like you need kind of industrial sort of stuff to do it. It's not as easy in moth because moth's like more easily domesticated and kind of like managed than spiders. An expert can tell me in the comments all about silk.


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[Assistant] Lucy Goosy sort of, uh, organization of Ailinwood that it's not.


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[Assistant] There's kind of, it's kind of a system where you, you have like lots of different like rulers of different authority, but they kind of cross over in jurisdictions sometimes and, and not. So there's these concepts of there's the, um, the two spiritual leaders, which is the, the green lady and the sylvanar. And the sylvanar is kind of like the, the voice of the people.


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[Assistant] It's kind of, it's supposed to be kind of their like, uh, their, their like laws and, and emotional sort of guide.


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[Assistant] Well, once again, they're also like pretty traditionally Khajiit, where like, you know, the 16 different kingdoms and they're all sort of spread. And then, you know, the main has a spiritual sort of role, but, and then there's the clan mothers. And then, I mean, at times they've been, you know, united into the kingdoms of Anaquina and Pelentine, but, um, yeah, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, there's a s- I was just saying there's a story I think about the how.


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[Assistant] One of the, the green ladies, when her sylvanar died, swam all the way to Pai Antonea and killed a whole bunch of them, got revenge.


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[Assistant] But it's, it's, I'm pretty sure it's said that their, their physical feats are likened, um, to like demigods in terms of like, they really are exceptional in terms of it. So I guess when you consider that swimming to Pandini is not impossible if you're an actual demigod. True. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of mystery there too, like, uh, just when you said that, it reminded me too, um, like, Fallonesti, their moving tree city, and how sometimes it just disappears, or roots itself, or various different


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[Assistant] Uhm, things, but like, there's a lot of cool stuff in there, so I feel like Ifri still has, cause it feels like, you know how it feels like he's just this non-god a little bit, like has no power cause he doesn't really, you don't hear about him doing much outside of the ancient wild hunts or the ancient moving city and stuff like that, you know? But uhm.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess also, uhm, the other thing, so you know, we were mentioning the, uh, the,


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[Assistant] You know, you're speaking all of the things into, into existence, like the trees and so on and moving. So, you know, very the, the Bosma green speakers are the ones using the rituals to grow villages and such like that. But there's also some other interesting things. They can make some wooden items with, um, that song and so on. So as you can imagine, like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Um, but also there's, you know, obviously like stuff with Malborn and the Thalmor conspiracy quest and so on. And some people have thought Valen would probably before the teaser trailer and so on.


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[Assistant] But uhm, my take is I just don't think they'll ever do Veil and Wood because I don't think it can be realized well enough in a game yet. Do you know what I mean? Like it's just too much like a verticality in trees. If you truly wanted to do it just, I know they do it in ESO, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess the, another, one of these groups of, uh, you know, we were saying there's different beings, Sylvanar and the spiritual leaders and then there's different authoritarial figures. There's also the Wilder King or Wilder Queen.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the sort of living god, it's kind of like a, almost like a mantle that different mortals who can connect well with nature have taken on in sort of this tradition and sort of runs the pristine jungles of the green shade region of Valenwood. But uhm, so it's kind of like a demigod, but


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[Assistant] You know, kind of a, it feels like a local god, you know, you know, those old mythological stories where you find like, oh, this is the king of this forest and, and, and, you know, they, they're the caretaker of this forest and everything within. It's kind of like that, less so of like a big metaphysical kind of all encompassing religious god, if that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, you can, like, we can go over basic things, like, utilising bone clubs, axes and spears, blades or stone of obsidian. So they have used obsidian, so that's a, like, rock.


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[Assistant] They can get away with using, uh, um, and I guess you don't have to necessarily dig and, you know, big mines for that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, like if you think about it in ancient, even in ancient real world earth, like you would get veins of iron and stuff that were exposed, it just, that's the first thing early cultures nabbed on and it gets mined and you don't really see it anymore, like you know,


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[Assistant] The first people who were working, metalworking with bronze weren't digging like, you know, miles underground to get to the deep stuff. Like a lot of it will come up.


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[Assistant] And around or close to like also like water holes and rivers and stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you think about it, the problem with mines and stuff and roads is mines, you dig down, but there's all the root systems and stuff that you're going to interfere with or clearing roads. You're like actively killing and wiping off brush. Whereas if there's a piece of rock exposed or, or veins and stuff that are exposed, you know, um.


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[Assistant] Not really, but Obsidian you can, like that's what Aztecs and stuff used because it can


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[Assistant] Like they can, it's like kinda like a flint kinda thing, and you can, it's like volcanic rock that can break, because they wouldn't use, it's not like an obsidian sword, it's like they, I forgot the, it's got an Aztec name for it, but the big clubs, but with like blades of obsidian into it, because it's sharp as hell, but it's, they're brittle, they'll still like,


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[Assistant] Um, the other thing is obviously their composite horn bows are arguably the finest in Tamriel.


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[Assistant] And apparently they do import a bunch of metal weapons though, and Altmeri Tutelage has benefited many Bosmeri swordsmen. But yea.


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[Assistant] Man, Ultima are just, uh, they ain't, they ain't nice. I don't vibe them, eh. No, I just, there's always things, like, I always like, oh, it'd be so cool, like, Valen would, without all the Ultima coming in and doing their thing. I mean, you can make the same arguments for the Empire, like, imperializing everything too, but like, you know.


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[Assistant] I think I kind of get like, I mean, I get what you kind of mean. It's, it's in the way that it's part of their strategy to somewhat adopt the local advantages and customs so that they can have a smooth transition kind of like, you know, well, like what the Roman empire did as opposed to.


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[Assistant] Well they interestingly they don't, well I mean, they bring the imperial cult everywhere, but I guess they don't outlaw the native religions. But they uhm, accept Daedra.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but like uhm, because you know, you have like the Roman Empire adopting gods of local areas, like, you know, or they go, I like this Egyptian God, I'll take that one. And then it's fine. Like, but you don't really see that with the Imperials much. I don't think they've adopted anything. You mean with the Imperial cult.


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[Assistant] Oh, no, I mean, with the empire, they don't adopt any, I mean, they're a hundred percent. Cause we were saying that they're more. Yeah. Yeah. They just allow it. They don't adopt it. Yeah. Yeah. But I think we've kind of talked pretty much.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm sure there's little details here and there, uhm, that we've made lore videos about them before, and there'll probably be some more, like I- They'll come up again. You've got the general, the general gist, uhm.


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[Assistant] Oh, I guess the only last thing would be, which is an interesting little piece of information, that uhm, that they grew


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's in, what is it, Elden Tree or whatever that


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so, that's, yeaah. That's the Bosmer.


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[Assistant] They're not the most metaphysically relevant to the rest of the world really. Like they're kind of, they're a bunch of hippies in the bush.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, Yakuza had very low birth rates, I think one of the sources said, and the fact that they were constantly at war, like several hundred years of war before the empire was kind of unified, and then it immediately fell back into chaos.


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[Assistant] You're gonna end up with a small group of people surviving this, and then with the sinking of the continent, you know, they bring over their best warriors, and yeah, that, it's kind of grown friends.


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[Assistant] Kind of like Yakuda, one of the big reasons during this period of time Japan was so isolated is because they were constantly fighting between themselves. But when you had Hideyoshi come along and kind of the country became unified, they turned their attention on going to Korea as well, which in the end didn't work out.


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[Assistant] It's kind of like a parallel but almost the opposite of what happens with the Red Guards in that there is a...


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[Assistant] Explanations in Vivek's sword meeting with Cyrus, which is out of lore Michael Kirkbride text, but even in, in canon texts like Redguards, their history and their heroes, you have really kind of clear


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[Assistant] Uhm, suggestions that this is what happens, you know, you've got Emperor Hera who, who was obviously the, the essentially a dictator who fought against the sword singers and before they eventually fled, and then you have this like rebel group of ansai who rise up, and by using a, a previously unknown technique where the fallout for it would be


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[Assistant] I mean, I'd be curious to know how successful the warrior waves would have been when we know


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[Assistant] They obviously succeeded against the goblins, but it was a seriously close fight at some points in time, especially when you didn't have that many Red Guards coming over compared to the groups that would have been living there.


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[Assistant] Viamaril the Betrayer slew the Council of Nidic Kings, conveniently just as they're dealing with this Yakudan onslaught, so...


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[Assistant] You know, perhaps if the Duraki were more prosperous at that moment in time, maybe we'd have a completely different hammer fill.


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[Assistant] So the idea that Hammerfell would be fairly boring, kind of desert, not much going on, that's definitely not the case. There's many cultures, and plus they'll be adding more, I'm sure, but there are many cultures that would have been prospering there, they just so happen to have mostly left at this point. It's funny, I guess,


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[Assistant] Uwaka and RK, there's like actual fighting over the connection, people really don't like it.


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[Assistant] It's very much a geographical thing as well. You can see why things do end up like this because, you know, Sentinel being the kind of crowns.


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[Assistant] Whereas if you're kind of generally more, uhm, inland, where there's borders to, to High Rock and Skyrim and Cyrodiil and, you know, uhm, Valenwood, it's all there. Sorry, not Valenwood, but, you know, close enough, uhm, you can see why there'd be much more of a mishmash of kind of cultural beliefs.


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[Assistant] Almost, almost an extra level as well, because you essentially have their equivalent to Oriel creating Lorkhan personally, and then


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[Assistant] Which can kind of be, you can see parallels between that and calling Mundus a Daedric realm, you know, if you have the idea that


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[Assistant] Um, Mundus, which, you know, a more, depending on your view, you might consider that to be the pure place and then realms of oblivion are copies of that. But if the idea is that Mundus is just a load of old dead skins put together, it's just kind of like a, a copy of like the glory of our new, um, and, and


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[Assistant] The fact that the hunger remains in this story is very much like how the heart of Lorcan remains despite Lorcan himself being killed. You know, that continues to exist.


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[Assistant] And I mean, I've said this before, and uhm, you can kind of see a potential connection, but with Rupgar, Tallpapa, kind of finding a way to stride sideways almost to get out of the line of fire when the world eats itself again is kind of like how the high elves have Finaster who


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[Assistant] I would say the Bosmer almost, in their own unique way, as elves, have a connection to the land, which is obviously Mundus, then most elves would. You know, if you asked a High Elf where they feel connected, they feel connected to aetherius. They want to return to their immortality, immortality to their godhood, whereas the Bosmer may not necessarily want that.


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[Assistant] Ifri is essential to the fact that Mundus even exists at all. And you know, and he's not perfectly pure either, depending on the culture, he's been corrupted by Namira, things like that, you know, so it's definitely not black and white.


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[Assistant] By any means, but you know, like with gods like RK or Tuwaka as we're talking about, if you only have gods, if you don't have a mortal realm, if you don't have mortality, they do, they have no purpose. You know, what purpose is the cycle of life and death when everyone is eternal? So that's why they kind of come along later.


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[Assistant] Well, you can, you can see why Zet and Zeki would be important to a culture that has historically never really had very arable land. It's like, uh, you can't really grow crops that well, um, if you, you're gonna have a goddess of rain, for sure, and one agriculture.


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[Assistant] The, the, the emphasis on having arms and like in statues, she's holding a child with one arm. She's got a full stomach, um, where she's, you know, she's heavily pregnant in the statue. And then, you know, all of this stuff, it's like, yeah, it's all about breeding with more work. She's, um, less, uh, submissive in breeding.


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[Assistant] Well I've heard somewhere that they actually have something unique about their swords that makes them different to other swords, but I can't remember what it is. They're curved! Woah! Curved swords!


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was gonna say, it's kind of reminiscent of the Shezareens, just without the connection to Sep. Like, I mean, if there is a connection to Sep, we'll have to look for it, but, uhm, like the idea that the Hoonding comes at a time of need, and it's happened, it's, I mean, we say it's happened, we don't know for sure it's happened, it's just kind of like it enters folklore as the Hoonding


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Prince Ator, who was, who was a crown, crown prince.


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[Assistant] It does, it does make sense though, cause you know, you, you've got the ideas that initially, like I think


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[Assistant] It was, it wasn't necessarily people born to, born and trained to be warriors that were the ones who kind of founded this magic. It was the people who were devoted to the arts that ended up finding this kind of warfare through meditation. So you can kind of see that there would actually be singers and artists.


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[Assistant] It's, it's kind of like the aedric equivalent to, uhm, daedric summoning. You know, the idea that if they're channeling their souls into their sword, they're almost in tune with the dream sleeve. You know, as opposed to reaching into oblivion and forging a sword from chaotic creation in a bound sword. They do it.


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[Assistant] Kinda give you the impression that you're actually getting a different Daedric Vestige each time that's kind of been forced into serving you.


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[Assistant] I mean, we like, we can also get into their fairly long history on Tamriel, or maybe that's more of a topic for, for talking about Hammerfell, but I mean, they're constantly at war. I mean, like one example is like, if you're wondering why the Bretons and the Red Guards kind of have


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[Assistant] Historic conflicts, especially the crowns in Sentinel and whatnot, is that, you know, Orsinium became a bit of a, kind of a, uh, what's it, what'd you call it, an enemy for both the Bretons and the Red Guards, so they were able to kind of team up to deal with Orsinium, but at the time you had a king in Daggerfall called Joyle who,


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[Assistant] Was pretty ruthless, so he, you know, he made an alliance with the Red Guards. When they were fairly fresh, they'd only been on the continent for around a hundred years at the time.


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[Assistant] And then the, the King of Daggerfall managed to organize a, a duel to decide the fate of Orsinium between the strongest orc, Baeloth Bloodtusk, and Gaiden Shinji, who's a, you know, a legendary redguard. But instead of letting them fight it out, King Joyle just had them all executed.


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[Assistant] Slaughtered a load of Red Guards, just turned on them, and ever since, there's probably been a bit of a lack of trust.


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[Assistant] I mean, we do talk about Yaku- because we don't know much about Yakuza, we talk about it as a very holistic thing, like what happens on the mainland.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard to say, with the sinking of Yakuda, you've got the kind of cross between what's literal and what's, you know, figurative and what's a bit mythical, because you obviously have the idea of


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Elder Scrolls Podcast, I'm Scott here with Michael and Drew as always and today we are discussing the Nords, the people of Skyrim.


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[Assistant] Rather broad terms, so which one of you wants to start us off?


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[Assistant] Well, they're the people of Skyrim for about, uh, 3000 years plus, no, way more. No, no, sorry. About 4,500 years. Cause there's like 4,500 ish of recorded history, I think. And even more, like probably about 500 years more than that. So what you're saying is it does belong to the Norts.


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[Assistant] Well, I feel like if they've been there for like 5,000 years, which is, I don't know, do the math on how many generations of people that is. I feel like there's a reasonable claim there, right? It's a good few generations. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Well, even at this- Even at this point, it doesn't even really matter, you know what I mean? After that much time. Wouldn't you say?


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[Assistant] And I do like that in its earlier sort of incarnations of the, of the lore that...


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[Assistant] Them being breathed onto the, onto the, onto the world, like breath inherently being such like a powerful.


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[Assistant] Uhm, thing in their culture and such an important thing because the breath becomes, you know, the thorn, like, you know, shouting all of these words. It's kind of interesting that like, you know, the, you can imagine like as in organs, like the tongue and lungs and stuff become far more.


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[Assistant] Cause that's such a cool, what I've always liked about those early interpretations too is it's using like their like magic.


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[Assistant] So, you know, they're resistant to cold, so they can wear like their cool, you know, shirtless barbarian sort of outfits. They don't need all of this big engineering. They really can just be berserkers with axes because if they do ever, you know, obviously the problem with that is, oh, well you can't beat advanced technology. You need siege engines and stuff to beat castles and be big conquerors, but they can.


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[Assistant] Make something work like that, like so basically making barbarians practical. But obviously they sort of, you know, shifted it around a little bit, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know, I wonder what you guys think, but my hot take is, like, I actually like the dragon coltan dragon, the dragon lore is quite interesting.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, on its own and as it is, but I would like...


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[Assistant] If I was like to do it all again, I would remove the whole dragon connection and just leave it as like Alduin was a Ragnarok kind of thing and an enemy rather than this whole dragon cult and the dragons connected to the thorn and the voice and everything like that. Instead, keep it separate and like, you know, flesh out the lore of the Nords as they were with all of the.


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[Assistant] Cause Skyrim basically, like the game brought in pretty much all the dragon stuff, basically. Like before that, I'm pretty sure it was just, you know, there was Alduin as like this Ragnarok figure and dragons had been in the past, but all of the dragon cults in general wasn't even a thing.


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[Assistant] You could have kept them seperate, yeaah. Just not done it at all.


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[Assistant] I'm not like, look, the dragon, even the dragon stuff, like fighting dragons and stuff in Skyrim is, is not, like gimmicky's the wrong word, but it's kind of like a one hit thing. Like you first play through, it's like, whoa, cool dragons, everything you do all that. And then after you're like, oh, here's another dragon. This is annoying. It's just another enemy type.


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[Assistant] But all that, all that aside, the Nords are the way they are now. And it still is like, you know, all of the lining up for the Sea Ginger stuff, that's all in the ancient history as well. It's just now that the Thorn is attached to dragons. And you know, they've worked in things like, you know, saying that


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[Assistant] You know, they can say that people sort of work with the lore and go like, oh, Parthenax taught the Nords at the behest of Kain and, and, and so on. So that sort of links it all together. But, um.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I-I-I think for the current lore, I think it makes more sense that they are from Atmora. It's just more congruent with all of the other lore. However, if you go watch the video we made a while ago called, uhm, Secrets of Atmora,


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[Assistant] That talks about a theory and explaining how like if there is a sundering of, of Aldmeris and so on, they could have both, both can actually be right. They could have been breathed onto the world by Kain and then actually, you know, when the sundering of the continents happened, they were like left up on that side of, of that Mora and


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[Assistant] Oh well, he actually returned another time, but you know what I mean.


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[Assistant] Yes, and I mean that's the kind of a bit of the problem with Skyrim's lore. I think it's one of the-


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[Assistant] Worse things it did was, um, it gets rid of, of the, you know, the Nordic pantheon, which called ancient Nordic pantheon, but.


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[Assistant] It's, I'm pretty sure it seems to apply to the Nordic pantheon as, you know, kind, sure, et cetera. We're all worshipped up until like, you know, in the third era. Like this imperialization has only happened in like the last 200 years because I remember there's NPCs and stuff that would reference them by their Nordic names and, you know.


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[Assistant] Yes, some of those have been confirmed, um, in Elder Scrolls Online.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's the same situation as the Khajiit, how like they've created like, you know, there's all these like, oh, there's cool ancient religion, but now it's like post, it's just this Riddle-Thar stuff and all that kind of is the modern contemporary sort of Khajiit song. Same as like how contemporary Nords are way less cool than their ancient counterparts and it's kind of just...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the nords too, and this, I guess you know what we should do, we should kind of like actually make it be cool, but like,


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[Assistant] Humanity has a lot to thank the Nords for because without the Nords, there would be no Elysian rebellion. Like the Elysians relied hugely on the Nords and that's why the whole Eight Divines thing was like, you know, a bit of a compromise. Like they can't just have all of these Elven elements because they've got to keep their Nord friends happy and so on. In the Nordic Empire at this time was, you know, expanding and Skyrim was down into Cyrodiil and they helped, you know, liberate


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[Assistant] Nords were the, yea, you know, Isgrimor's coming and everything and the growth of the Nordic Empire, uhm, was the only reason that, uh, elven dominance ever really ceased.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. So it's like without it, like, you know, you just gotta, you don't know what exactly would have happened. Maybe that's an interesting what if video. What if, what if the, uh, what if Izgramor never came? Yeah.