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[Assistant] Is there any reason why they're not left-handed? Like, like is there a reference to specifically why they're not actual left-handed elves?


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[Assistant] Cause I always took it, took it heaps literally and just thought they were actual just left-handed elves. Like, cause you know in how com- and part of what would make them like fearsome, you know, in boxing they go like, oh, fighting a Southpaw is very different. And there's a lot of top boxers that are, you know, Southpaw fighters are left-handed. It gives them a unique advantage. I thought it was always- That's what I was thinking about Nadal.


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[Assistant] In lore, in prior lore things you get the understanding that it really is like this proper frozen wasteland except for the Reach and the Reach was supposed to be like the only like really good fertile farmland.


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[Assistant] You could go like, so obviously it was, it seems like it got warmer if anything, but at the same time, like for example, Cyrodiil seemingly got cooler. Like, I mean, if you go with the whole idea that early days, it was a warm and jungle, unless they just like, you know, retcon it out of existence with whatever law, but you can even go to places. I think it's Senkator in, um,


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[Assistant] Tamriel is getting colder in some way. Maybe it's just climate change in general or- Specifically Scarum getting colder? I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Well they don't have an ex- their mythology, their mythology kind of points to Elf, like pretty hard, that they were some kind of like, similar kind of thing to the rest of them, and they get shaped into all the Bai'zura.


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[Assistant] But uhm, I don't really know what the basis is for them not being part of the Elnife, cause, I mean, Anuat and stuff will tell you that there's only Elnife.


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[Assistant] Um, uh, anti-magic zones.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, uhm, I mean, I'm sure, if you go Devil Figure to the Skull Tribes and Solstice. The Adversaries.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but, but the greedy man's an aspect of the adversary. Cause the way they see things, like they kind of see like dualism. Like the adversary. You were talking about the greedy man before when you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, the greedy man calling the Leap of Demons being day or third, the greedy man being Hamaeus Mora. From my understanding, I thought the greedy man as an aspect of the adversary, like Hamaeus Mora, it gets referenced in, in, um, in a blood movie. I don't know, Dragonborn DLC. I just searched.


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[Assistant] It's in the story of Avar Stonesinger. So that's actually a blood, it's from the time of Blood Moon, so it might not even be specifically Hamae Asmora. So uhm, but the Adverteria- Is this an in-game text you've found? Many aspects.


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[Assistant] Uh, yeaah, it's from Blood Moon, Oblivion and Skyrim. So it's the story of Avar Stonesinger.


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[Assistant] So the greedy man's kind of, he's the, he's the Skarl hero that, um, went along to all of those beast stones and, and, um, you had to do the same thing as him in Blood Moon DLC. And then you have to do it again in Dragonborn as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hi, it's just the easy to win aspect of the adversary and you're pretty sure the adversary is, uh, it's the same way is the adversary in general. I think is just kind of, it's like the dualism of almost like probably even like, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, Anu and Padme kind of go like, oh, the all-maker Anu and Padme being the adversary. Cause there's elements.


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[Assistant] Like you can, so you could imagine that the greedy man being understood as Humeus Mora, perhaps as he's also like in other things, he's known to hoard knowledge and grab all knowledge and stuff. And he was trying to steal knowledge from the skull, but even there's this Thartag the world devourer. And that sounds very much like Aldo and the world eater kind of thing. Like it's the different sort of, um. Well, I think we,


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[Assistant] That's what I thought of straight away, until you said- They've just made a mistake, I think. I think they've just made a mistake, they've gone, oh Vvardenfell, that's where Morrowind takes place, the game, and then- Okay. So they've just kind of- Unless, in like, the ESO-


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[Assistant] Most of his stuff that's grounded in the, pretty much every single thing he's written that's grounded in the games, I really, really like. But when it comes to his out of text stuff, it's about 50-50, like sometimes it gets a bit wack. I think the in-game stuff is cool because it has other stuff.


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[Assistant] Um, Ryptka, which is, uh, the Yakudin version of like Akatosh or Oriel. It's like their time god. It's, um, also called Tall Papa is the other name. I don't know why that's such deep lore.


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[Assistant] So I'm assuming the, uh, Elder Council world control is just some sort of like Illuminati kind of theory. That's about it.


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[Assistant] I don't know what the basis is to that. It just kind of, there's so many other theories that are more airtight and it just sounds-


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[Assistant] Cause, because the pact with Akatosh, but, and also I think it's actually Akaviri influence as well that came in the time of Reamon. Cause you know that Akaviri will love it. Don't they come from Akavir originally?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, it's, you know, this is where you get the conflict of old lore with new york lore. Like, so prior to like Skyrim kind of heavy dragon cult lore, all that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Akavir was most associated with dragons, it seemed like. Uhm, but then ever since, you know, Skyrim came about, they invented all the dragon cult lore, and then it kind of assumes, oh, the dragon cult came from Atmora, and then it's all like Atmora stuff, so.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, dragons, if you read about some dragon stories in Daggerfall, they kind of seem


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[Assistant] Just different, like there was a different angle for the dragons back then, like uhm, in the way they sort of feel. Like you can tell that they're written at different times in different eras of the series. But yea, uhm, Zal.


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[Assistant] Okay. Insane time guide. Oh, this is Akatosh, right? Yeah. So we've talked about this before in like previous podcasts and videos, but just the concept that Akatosh, you know, being, you know, it's easier to


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[Assistant] Oh, there he's back. Anti-Zero Assault. But yea, so, so, in, in saying Time God, it's kind of like, um, if, you know, what's the definition of sanity? Doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results. So if you're the Time God, you know, doing Calpas over and over and over and over and expecting something else to happen, you know, arguably you're insane. Staff of Unity and Kayn.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the next one is Draco Chrysalis, which is from another Kirkbride thing, the Numantia Intercept.


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[Assistant] So it's where the Ultima sought to focus on Drago Chrysalis, or keeping Elder Magic bound before it could change into something lesser.


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[Assistant] I'm not really sure. Is it the shape of a telescope instead? Like maybe like if you envision the universe, it's actually like little and like out like this. Ooh, wait, hold on, maybe.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's like a telescope, you know how a telescope gets wider and wider and wider. It's like calipers, like each cycle is the, is each thing or something. I don't know. Anyway.


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[Assistant] Very, very high conjecture. Uh, Gaynor is Sy. So Sy, the god of luck from, um, Daggerfall era. And we know Ebonarm and Sy both don't get references anymore. But Gaynor's a character in Tribune. Oh, that guy. The guy that keeps asking for money.


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[Assistant] Uhm, what's next? Haskiller is the actual mad god.


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[Assistant] So, Morelin equals Nerevar, so that's that same king of the Wrathin' Clan.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think he's just because he's an obscure character. He seems to be written about in Daggerfall era stuff too, I think anyway, so. I don't know. It's the same as how people get like, hung up on ebon arm and stuff, cause it's like a cool concept, but it's like, never really talked about, I don't think. Oh my god, look at this next one.


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[Assistant] Snake-like, you know, and there's references, even when you speak to some who are quite human looking, like the Renault, uh, Renault, uh, Renault Chevalier or something like that. I forgot his name. Exactly. But, um, he talks about how, oh, I'll shed a, shed my skin on you. And they also live long, really time, uh, live really long time. So I guess it's the idea that they might be like, you know,


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[Assistant] Well, they're eating language, you can kind of say that like language, you know, they go like that language dominates like the way you think and stuff, right? They like, they say like the way you think in your head is you were in your native language or not. So sort of if you can consume other languages, you can like,


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[Assistant] And like, maybe it's like language eating, sort of like the dominance of language over culture. Like, you know, when, when the Romans spread the Latin language and everything, it dominates culture and then Latin becomes, you know, French, Spanish and all of these other languages, but there's this, you know, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Like, make it the law and force everyone to use it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's not, well, I don't know if in Roman Empire, like a lot of it, I think it was the class when the Roman Empire collapsed that a lot of them were just Latin speaking after they'd been in the Roman Empire. Cause it's been like, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years. And then when they split, then they varied again with like local variations.


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[Assistant] I don't know. Uhm, the Scarab Transformation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it seems, it seems to be that Kim is like a thing that comes before Amaranth. Cause you need, you inherently to become a new Amaranth. You already have to know. It's all related to the Godhead. So you need to be aware of the Godhead. And if you're aware of the Godhead and you can't handle it, you zero some. So you kind of have to achieve some degree of Kim, I guess. And we talked about it last time.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure. It's all kind of, you know, coterie out of lorry kind of stuff, interpretation stuff, but Trinamalarky.


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[Assistant] It's a con- uh, oh dear. Yeah, oh. I don't know why it's- maybe that's a mistype, but there is that concept art by Michael Kirkbride for Bosma, and one of them is this king dead wolf. I'm just readjusting.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess, I know there's, there's different theories for whatever reason about, I don't know, in my head I always see it as a theory, but there are theories about it being Izmir Wolfarth.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's Zuranak. Is the under, yeah, is the under king. On that Venn diagram thing. Okay, good, I don't think you got that. Is the under king, so I don't know if it's sort of both of them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel that, yeah. Uhm, cool. Anyway, uh, New Hata. That's a word I've heard plenty of times before, but I cannot remember off the top of my head.


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[Assistant] Q, Q, Q, Q, Q, Q. Uhm, where are we at? Talos brought back dragons.


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[Assistant] I don't think he did, like, like Nephalo Lagos is the one that helped him and that he was around, um, in the, he's in the ultimate DLC. Nephalo Lagos?


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[Assistant] Pretty sure he teams up with you and the dragon god and stuff. Don't you kill him? Doesn't Seer kill him?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, well yeaah, who is, who claimed he was like a mercenary of him, Nefala Largis, the Imperial Red Dragon. He's the dragon that burns, uh, hunting betas. The Imperial Red Dragon? Is he the dragon?


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[Assistant] Uh, I don't think it's specifically him, no, cause, I think it's just a retro.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause I'm pretty sure the Amulet of Kings was sort of this more prominent symbol for the Elysian Empire. But yeah, uhm, okay, but I don't think he brought back dragons, no. League's new medium.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Dawn Ideological Warfare, and I'm pretty sure this is just the idea of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, mythology and like the strengths of certain cultures, mythological tellings kind of make it more real thanks to the Elder Scrolls universe kind of thing. Like you have so many competing, uh, mythological stories about creation, about the dawn and they're not always like, you know, perfectly, um, you can't really.


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[Assistant] Make them all mesh well together. So it's kind of like becomes a matter of ideological warfare. But if, if worship does make something more powerful or more true or something, then perhaps sort of talking about like, it's sort of like all.


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[Assistant] Warfare between different groups to kind of enforce their idea of the future in the same way like the basis for this kind of like, uh,


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[Assistant] Mythic is kind of like, you know, how the Thalmor kind of want to get rid of Talos because they want to eliminate the idea of him. So he no longer exists in the mythic. So erase the upstart from the mythic mythic. So if you can kind of control the mythology, kind of controlling like the reality. But then why is it, why is it Dawn?


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[Assistant] Oh, because it's about the dawn is what it was like at the beginning. So if you can erase the reason they, because they, you're, well, and this is in the Kirkbride text, remember still. So, but erase the upstart from the mythic. So erase, so it can erase man from the pattern of possibility, like in future kalpas. So like in the next dawn, do you know what I mean? Like you don't have the pattern. I don't think that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but, but it would be, but if you look at Talos, especially if you can view Talos as like the new God of Man as the replacement for Lorkhan, it's a step, yeah.


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[Assistant] But uhm, yeaah, I think that's all it's talking about. Uhm, but also it could also just be a book within the Dawn itself. Like everything gets a little bit more mythic and it's less literal because it's hypermagical and mythological. So, you know, ideas have very, you know, literal power and, and.


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[Assistant] Tangible power and effects on the world at creation, but... And... The Vect destroyed you.


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[Assistant] No, Battle of Red Mountain's year 700. So Yakuza's around and so on, but they're still fighting and so on. Frander-hunting is born after Vivek became a god. It's 780.


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[Assistant] Yep, but, yeah, like, there's not much to it.


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[Assistant] Well, for the next one, at least, Tigers equals Guars. I'm pretty sure that has something to do with Tiber Septim when he first found Guars, but he couldn't, it was either I couldn't pronounce it or something, so he just called them all Tigers.


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[Assistant] There's, uh, I'm pretty sure I remember reading this in the Imperial Library.


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[Assistant] Background on Gwaaz and Tiber Septim's love of tigers. Lizards. Another little known fact is that the Imperials often refer to Gwaaz as tigers. Here's why. During a tour of Morrowind in the earliest days of the Armistice, Tiber Septim became enamored of the beasts. On the mainland, and specifically the Dashan Plains, Gwaaz are striped.


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[Assistant] This coupled with the fact that his holiness was never able to pronounce Gua correctly, his troubles with the provincial Chimeric tongue is legendary, led to Septim finally calling them tigers from a fabled recollection of a storybook beast as he loved as a youth. The new name Stuck even now dress slavers often refer to their cattle Gua as tigers. So that's why it's- Is that an in-game text? Tigers.


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[Assistant] Well, I guess the last one we'll do today is Sith Sit, which is just the reference- referencing Sithus in the 36 lessons of-


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, yeah. Alright, let's do it. Khajiit tattoo theft. Okay, we know this is- So I think this is-


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[Assistant] So that's just a common, like, word for, like, um, mythology and mythmaking. Yeah, kind of, like, but, like, I mean, they also reference in, like, in, uh, you know, for people making fantasy novels, uh, myth-apia or something. It's like Lord of the Rings, um,


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[Assistant] Tolkien's Silmarillion would be like a myth appear kind of thing, so it's like a big mythology, but it's essentially a myth. It's like a cyclopedia of the mythology. Kind of myth making.


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[Assistant] I saw this thing as once, um, it was about the idea that, you know how like space and time are related? Like they're like connected concepts. So like, if you know you're controlling time, you're somewhat controlling space and so on and like the universal bending elements of the thumb. And also when you kind of like, if a dragon is like a symbolic thing, uh,


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[Assistant] Time, do you know what I, uh, kind of, if you know what I mean? Cause I saw this thing on something about like the last dragonborn being a time eater, basically, or something, and it gets wackin' out there, but, you know, I think it's a similar sort of... We're gonna need about 20 minutes for this one.


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[Assistant] Anyway, we all know this was just like, you know, it's just a development code.


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[Assistant] The blue milk mod. Wait, female Argonian Morrowind? Yea, like you can get ones, they're just walking around with...


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[Assistant] Well, well, well, I think we'll try, I reckon maybe next time, like that took two, that was two whole sections that took us just over two hours. I wonder what will happen next episode if we try, cause it does get a little bit more sparse slightly in the first Fargoth one.


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[Assistant] Well this is the epitome of the deal with the devil. Clavicus Vile, the prince of trickery and bargains, the child god of the morningstar.


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[Assistant] This is a Daedric Prince that tends to love making packs and definitely is heavily involved in mortal affairs. He just isn't gonna sit on the sidelines and watch time fly by. He wants to get involved, make packs with people, packs which they will regret. And I mean, his Daedric realm is the fields of regret.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I wouldn't be making any deals with him where I'd be checking the fine print extremely thoroughly. Although it does lead me to wonder, do many people who make deals with him actually write it down? Cause I feel like most of them are verbal.


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[Assistant] Perhaps that's part of his charm, in a way, it seems like it's kind of working on you, Drew. Because he can almost feel like, if you're smart enough, you can rise to the challenge and outwit him.


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[Assistant] And even though you can in some respects, there are some elements of it where, if you think about it, he will just screw you because he wants to. For example, with Sebastian Lortz,


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[Assistant] Uhm, even though he gave the Rufal Axe so that Sebastian could, you know, cure the lycanthropy of his daughter by killing her because she became a werewolf and he didn't like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he then sends the dragonborn after Sebastian Lort, which, you know, you could say, oh well I would have made it part of the deal that you will never mess with me for the rest of my life, but


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[Assistant] You know, he wanted his axe back. It was, it had nothing to do with, um, you know, like Sebastian Lortz done the wrong thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like I'd still choose to be a mortal, I think. Even knowing all the downsides, knowing all the downsides, I think you would just be like, alright. You know, it's such a weird question.


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[Assistant] I do like the idea that his deals are fair. I don't actually like when he does something seemingly unfair


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[Assistant] Not fair, but by the agreement. Obviously he takes advantage of people who are in desperate situations and it seems like desperate situations lead to the, you know, the most dodgy deals because people are willing to accept any conditions to get what they need in the moment.


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[Assistant] But I just feel like if the terms and conditions indicate that the mortal he's made a pact with shouldn't get screwed over, then they shouldn't.


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[Assistant] But then again, that's part of the Daedra, isn't it? That they still will just do what they want, when they want, if they feel like it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause dark deal could mean she did something wrong.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe she said I want to be, I don't know, some phrasing like.


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[Assistant] Well you have to consider as well that when you enter into a pact with Clavicus Vile, you are by default entering into a web of pacts that he has made and can continue to make with other people.


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[Assistant] For example, and, and I mean, not that Aveli would know this, but no Daedric artifact stays with someone forever. Like I'd be very wary of that because he's, he doesn't have that many art. I mean, he does have a long list compared to some Daedra, but you know, they have a limited amount of artifacts at least that we know about and they're going to want to hand them out to someone else soon enough.


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[Assistant] That's what I mean. Avelian may not know that, but it's just kinda like, you know, when you enter into a pact with Clavicus Vile, he may make a pact with someone else later saying, you know, you'll be rewarded with the mask. He seems to be able to do that.


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[Assistant] It is quite an intelligent decision as well, isn't it? Putting half of your power into an entity that ultimately you have full control over but kind of keeps you in check.


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[Assistant] It is, it is weird, cause he has free will, obviously, but he's also kind of a servant, and he does try and appease Clavicus Vile, like if you read into the lore of it, in some ways he's written about as a kind of like, you know, a dog, man's best friend.


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[Assistant] Um, but then in other ways, obviously, as we've been saying, they do have disagreements, but a lot of the time you will find the disagreements tend to be


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[Assistant] Yeah, like he's almost like the more rational, the more rational.


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[Assistant] Yes, sorry, yes, in terms of hierarchy, but I remember in, I think reading one of the lore books, it says that it's, in terms of the actual, you know, power, the spiritual power that was split, it was pretty much equal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, here's the wiki as well, Barbas acts as a repository for around half of Vile's power. Um, and then when you click this source, it is the Vile truth of Barbas. By Pelagius Habor.


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[Assistant] Because he does talk about his power being weakened in Skyrim, doesn't he? And says something like if he was at full power he could kind of just like click his fingers and uhm, what was it? Kill? Something about...


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[Assistant] Which is ironic because Clavicus Vile being the, you know, the master of the deal, or the master of the art of the deal, he got screwed over.


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[Assistant] Uhm, although he s- it says he, what, they kill the witch, but it was too late anyway. People think that witch was Shay Agorath in disguise, which would make sense considering-


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe it's, uh, as we talked about in our iceberg podcast, some of that monkey truth, some theory that just seems so, so cool that it fits in and everyone just believes it. It doesn't actually get explicitly mentioned. No, but I think it's more of a,


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[Assistant] Big if true. Sorry, go on. I was saying my biggest pet peeve with wikis is including Creation Club as canon. Drives me nuts.


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[Assistant] He's also got the bitter cup, a sacred artifact that you drink from, right? You sip from the bitter cup. And it, uhm, I know it gives you a bunch of buffs in Morrowind, I think.


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[Assistant] And the liquid inside is referred to as its nectar. You can drink its nectar.


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[Assistant] And then it makes you just the best writer of all time. Uhm, but it manipulates your thoughts as well. So, one of the people who were using it was driven to suicide. Uhm, even writing notes with Fay Falcon, like his suicide note. With the same quill.


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[Assistant] The Mask was a form of festive courtly entertainment, like literally called The Mask, spelt like with the QUE, that flourished in the 16th and early 17th century Europe.


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[Assistant] Uhm, though it was developed earlier in Italy, so it was all, you know, uhm, it all just ties into the theme that I like and the whole glamour and it's all, you know.


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[Assistant] The song and dance, the glamour, also masquerading as someone else, or as someone you're not, I should say.


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[Assistant] In terms of like, do you have to wear it? Because let's just say for example, there was a big celebration and someone's wearing the mask.


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[Assistant] If someone, like some artist, made a painting of that- that supper.


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[Assistant] And as everyone's standing around celebrating, would the mask be in that painting? And then people could look at the painting and not be under the effect of the mask because it's a painting of what the painter was looking at. And be like, oh, why is this queen or this, this lady wearing this massive weird mask? You know what I mean? Or does no one see it?


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[Assistant] But how could you call, like, someone beautiful who's wearing it if you can't even see their face? Like, how would you kiss them or touch their face or, you know?


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[Assistant] It cuts off a part of Clavicus Vile's realm, and, and kind of just gets even more powerful, and then takes on like a, an entity, a more humanoid figure. This dark being with uhm, what is it, eyes like holes into nothing.


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[Assistant] You know, I really wanna, I really wanna read those novels, but as I'm reading them, write notes for every single chapter and then turn them into YouTube videos because there are so many people who don't wanna read them. And if you can just have the Infernal City for those who can't be bothered to read it, and I explain it in each chapter, say 20 minutes, you'll know the whole book.


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[Assistant] This is the Necromancer that you get told to kill by one of these Imperials because he's trying to make a good impression on the Dark Elves, right? About the Empire. His view is kind of like, the Dark Elves hate Necromancy, so go kill this Necromancer.


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[Assistant] Imagine if you drank from the bitter cup and we just got off the Morrowind mechanics and you needed to, I don't know, lift something really heavy and suddenly, or win a fight.


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[Assistant] And suddenly you're really strong, you destroy your opponent, you're feeling great, but then later you just find that you can't really remember what you, something you wanted to remember and it's kind of like your mind fading if you wanted to represent it by something that's not just like an in-game stat and suddenly your memory is just really fried.


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[Assistant] Or you're just, you trying to calculate things is really slow and you're like, oh, that's why. Yeah. You know.


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[Assistant] It's the same as the boots of Spring Heel Jack, like if you're a character that hasn't invested in, you know, being agile, fast and jumping high and all this, you're not gonna become some super high jumper because it's plus 50 acrobatics, right?


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[Assistant] Like, the person who doesn't have this super high jumping artifact but has trained in acrobatics will be able to jump higher than you.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So, you know, it is just in game. I guess we could talk a bit about, oh, could I just mention, I just want this image on the screen ASAP. In Redguard, uhm, Barbas impersonates Cyrus and it's the funniest thing you'll ever see.


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[Assistant] It's his dog next to Clavicus Vile with Cyrus's head, but just the graphics of-


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[Assistant] Um, red guard make it so ridiculous. If you just go to Barbas on the Wiki and scroll to the bottom, it's just so ridiculous. Um, yeah, that's cursed. Yeah, it is. It's one of those like cursed memes.


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[Assistant] But I guess we could talk about the Fields of Regret a bit, which is Clavicus Vile's realm. Uhm, it kind of looks like a tranquil countryside, like it looks quite nice, but then obviously it ends up being quite eerie.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's like buildings and, ugh, it looks very different in Elder Scrolls Online. If you look at, uhm, to its description.


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[Assistant] It just looks a bit different. I feel like I liked what Redguard was trying to present it as.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Barbas as well. Barbas has been many things. Uhm, Barbas has been the creeper.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, really intimidating. Like almost like a, it's like, he's like as big as, or bigger if he was standing on his back legs than Clavicus file. With like glowing red eyes and horns and stuff.


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[Assistant] I always thought I remembered more of these disturbing elements being written down. And I can't seem to source them right now.


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[Assistant] Unless it's a different realm, I remember something about maybe the sm- the smell, like actually like a really disgusting scent or something like that. Uhm, it could be another realm. Yeah, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] It appears as an idyllic countryside dotted with merchant utopias, fields of white clovers, woodland meadows, twisted foliage, and odd melted looking places, which is starting to get unsettling, but then,


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[Assistant] The air smells of both perfume and rotting flesh, while the sky is blue with cottony clouds and greenish grey streaks that stay in the atmosphere. That's what I, that's what I remember. The mix of perfume but also rotting flesh is really creepy and gross. That's a lot of character.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that's it, that's cool. That's, uhm, Dali's painting. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'm not too sure. I'm sure it'll come back in another episode. That's the good thing about it. This is not the last time we talk about Clavicus File.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So, ladies and gentlemen, we come to the end. We will see you in the next episode. And remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Unless it's a glamour.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to Fudge Muppet. This is the Elder Scrolls Podcast. I'm Scott here with Michael and Drew as always. And today we are discussing the Daedric Prince of Knowledge, Hermaeus Mora, the big tentacle mass himself. Which of you guys would like to start us off?


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[Assistant] We could try and like, uh, start on his sort of origin and one of his titles is called like an Ur Daedra.


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[Assistant] And, you know, a shorter version of that would be Erdra, which gets referenced to a few other, I think, um, Nocturnal and Namira, I'm pretty sure gets it. I think even Azura gets it, but basically, er, meaning like, uh, it's, it's beginning, like Primal, like before the beginning is, and I can't remember the exact definition, but it's super, super like,


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[Assistant] At the start of the universe, so the implication there is that they were, they're some of the oldest beings, like some of these Daedra.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but then there is also the ideas that, uhm, Hermes Mora, he's, isn't he made from the leftover, one of the poetic things, leftover pieces of, of creation?


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[Assistant] But one thing we've got to also, um, establish too, is that Humeus Mora, even though he's a, like a being of like,


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[Assistant] You know, heaps of knowledge. It's not necessarily infinite. Like he's not omnipotent. He's not all seeing because there are examples throughout the games of where there's knowledge that he doesn't have access to, like, you know, the Skull secrets, like he, he wasn't privy to them.


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[Assistant] So he's kind of got like this, uhm, obsession with trying to...


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[Assistant] One of my, uh, I do like, um, this and we can tie it in with the, uh, the Nordic myths but in the


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[Assistant] I think it's the Varieties of Faith. He's more, it's got a little thing about Humeus Morhen. They said that he's also called the Demon of Knowledge. He is vaguely related to the cult origins of the Morag Tong, Forrester's guild, if only by association with his brother, Systema Fala. And I actually quite like his, uhm,


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[Assistant] Connection to Mephala and so on and I was talking about it in uhm, the complexities of Mephala video and I was talking about how both, funnily enough both of them kind of uhm,


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[Assistant] Sort of obsession with uncovering and getting all the secrets. So as like a sibling sort of relationship, Mephala's creating all of these and then Humausmora is trying to uncover everything and hoard all of these, all of the secrets and truth.


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[Assistant] So in this same video, I had to talk about, I was trying to like, cause with all of the sort of discussion of fate and prophecy and all that kind of stuff, you have to kind of like delve into sort of determinism versus free will and that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Elder Scrolls, by nature of the Elder Scrolls, you know, changing and stuff, I think it already gives into the idea that it's, it's sort of like,


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[Assistant] Prophecy and, and, and, you know, that kind of thing is, is set at the moment, but it's willing to change. And like there's words about Hamaeus Moris constantly scrying the tides of fate.


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[Assistant] You know, the words tides of fate, like tides, you know, come in, go out, they flow, they kind of change. And if you're having to constantly scry, like it's not like just a more linear process of, oh, I've uncovered the entire like chain of determinism.


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[Assistant] Instead, it's sort of like you're constantly having to adjust and reprogram as you get more sort of information and you change your like model of the future. So that's sort of like a, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause it's kinda, like, it's kinda weird to actually think, like, the kind of whole idea of, of I guess...


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[Assistant] Prophecy or foretelling and fate.


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[Assistant] Kinda doesn't really stack up with as much as, like, the whole idea of that, if the gods experiencing past, present, and future all at once. Like, it kinda doesn't, do you wanna-


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[Assistant] You know, fallible than they think, than we think, because like, you know, there's just too many examples of like, you know, Mephala has all of this, like she's, you know,


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[Assistant] If you are constantly trying to process all of this stuff all at once, there's like a broader range of stimulus there that you're constantly like this, it would be easier perhaps to like slip and miss something.


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[Assistant] It's infinitely more complicated if the idea is like, you know, with calipers and so on. If there's like, of creation, it's like which creation, like the last one, like is like, you know, the conventional idea, but if there's all of the cycles beforehand.


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[Assistant] Mainly is that oblivion isn't- isn't- oblivion isn't-


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[Assistant] You have to kind of massage things to get the cohesive vision of what it's supposed to be. So you're going to find conflict. And, and you know what, to be honest, it's easier to sort of just like poof every idea that's, that's undesirable when it's so metaphysical. Cause you can go to like, Oh, that's just how it works in this. So you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] But there is something really interesting too. I don't know, I just like his other name as the Woodland Man in Nordic stuff. And then also that he's, you know, like being associated by Thrumafala, being associated with the Morag Tong, which is the forest's guild. Just like that. But I just do like that there is this sort of like,


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[Assistant] I wonder if there's more symbolism you can kind of pull out there, but from the whole


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[Assistant] Wood's dynamic forest kind of thing that's sort of associated like an elder wood kind of vibe.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. He's, um, and you know, there's his various tricks where he tried to, um, he tries to steal knowledge and stuff. It's him being the hare, isn't it? Um. Oh, that story. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, about trying to trick, uhm, Isgrimor into becoming an elf. Uhm, so that could, so he could be a superior hunter, but then Shor comes in and kills the hare and reveals it to be, you know, the woodland man and says that you shouldn't, uh, listen to Humeus Morhen, you nearly got tricked, you fool. Uhm.


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[Assistant] As he's, it's one of the more like favorable looks of him just being as, as the person like this, you know, submarine library that he sort of maintains for.


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[Assistant] Azura and stuff and it's kind of like, I like that it seems more like a, because Azura obviously in the Khajiit pantheon is looked upon more favorably and is like a central figure, I sort of like that


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[Assistant] You just don't really see Humeus Mora. He's either, he's either fringe or downright like sort of evil in most pantheons.


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[Assistant] No, it's just sort of like people cope and go like, Oh, they got imperialized over the last 200 years kind of thing. But, um.


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[Assistant] Yeah, something I really do uhm, what was I gonna say, I was gonna talk about, uh, I literally lost what I was gonna talk about. It's moving the conversation forward, it's something that we were gonna, like, I wish I had more knowledge at this point.


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[Assistant] Oh, I was just going to tell you. Well, yeah, one of Drew, one of your favorite, uh, pieces, his involvement with, um, the Ogma Infinium and how Ogma is, um, named after the wife of Xarxes and that Xarxes used, uh, knowledge given to him by Hermaeus Mora to make the Ogma Infinium.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then that's obviously one of his prized artifacts. Oh god.


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[Assistant] It's a bit of a like a kind of a core, um, theme in Elder Scrolls anyway about in like insanity and basically your ability to hand, handle contradiction. Like I think what like, cause a lot of people, you could go like uhm, oh if you're super intelligent, you'll be able to handle it.


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[Assistant] Shake his, uh, Lehman title, the law master said, Chim now. Fail to scrolls in line, so.


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[Assistant] Do you know what? We used to say Chim when we first heard of it and started it.


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[Assistant] He's watching old fudgemongered videos and he's- But then we got told to say Kim, like ages ago, and then we started saying Kim all the time, and now- When I first heard that, it was- It does sound better.


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[Assistant] You know how you go like a, um, uh, a Chimera, kind of? Like a C-H-I-M-E-R-E.


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[Assistant] The Chima, or the Chima. Yeaah, I mean. Yeaah. But yeaah, anyway, the uhm.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, so the whole idea there is that you, you, you've got to hold to, to really achieve that. You've got to hold to sort of contradictions, ones which, one,


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[Assistant] Which is that, you know, you're nothing, you're part of something else. It's a rather nihilistic point of view. And then also one that like, you know, like a, you mean something, you're, you, you're an individual regardless of the truth. It's kind of all meant to be honest. Like if you can look, you can.


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[Assistant] Regardless of religion and stuff, if you, if you look down a lot of, uh, philosophical sort of routes, it's very easy with modern science and stuff to fall into a nihilistic kind of sense of things and go, oh, there's no meaning to life. And in a way you could, you know, you could argue that any meaning to life within that framework is sort of like.


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[Assistant] So the person, the person though that can simultaneously kind of hold both beliefs because obviously someone who believes life has meaning


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[Assistant] Well, overall, I feel like on a higher level, like just by the people who achieve, uh, Kim is so few, by the same sort of mentality, there would be


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[Assistant] Yeah. So it's like, I feel like, and most people's default state anyway is to, they,


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[Assistant] Like, you know, the fear of the unknown, people feel uncomfortable not knowing something. So even they would prefer to know something that is even not strictly true, but it's comforting to go like, yeah, that is it. I know what it's about because then your brain can rest and go, okay, I'm chill. So in, in.


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[Assistant] With the, uh, the black books kind of stuff you confronted with so much.


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[Assistant] Stuff that's outside of, like, would you know how it's the kind of like, uh, I guess Dunning-Kruger effect when you really, you know, when you're on the up.


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[Assistant] I'm coming part, you kind of realize how much you don't know, like you've learned a little bit more and you're like, oh my God, I know nothing. So imagine going into apocryphal reading these black books and then you're like, you think you have a good grasp on the world and you're like, okay, maybe I don't know a fair bit and you see a fair bit, but then you really realize, oh my God, I know nothing. Like there is, do you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I think too, like, I mean, we can talk about his realm and his, and his creatures and stuff, which we'll get to, which you've got like a nice, like obviously he's got a big Lovecraftian kind of theme behind him. And, and you know, if you look at Lovecraft's kind of stuff, it really is that existential fear of the unknown, unknowable, something so just,


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[Assistant] Be given yourself. It's the, the feeling of it that makes it scary is that you are nothing. You're insignificant. You are just, you know, fart in the wind. You're not, you know what I mean? And that makes, because, you know, you live in so your own life, your own ego, you, you feel like you're something and, and that you're so important to everything in that. So that,


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[Assistant] Contrary revelation, just that's what creates the massive amount of fear. And I guess that's the point of the black books and him. And I mean, look, he's clearly just a Lovecraft in like God insert to be honest. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, I mean, you kind of just mentioned it, but like, you know how a lot of, like, uh, there's a lot of Lovecraftian, like, creatures from the sea, and so on, but like, the sea, overall, as, as symbolically, is like this great unknown, like, there, you know, there's kilometers and kilometers of,


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[Assistant] But yeah, so like, you know, on point with all the Lovecraftian themes are the lurkers and the seekers. So the lurkers are your big sort of, you know, fishmen kind of stuff, needle teeth, like, you know, they're just, they're big giant.


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[Assistant] You know, guardian creatures, but I think the real interesting ones are the, the seekers. They look, I think they all.


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[Assistant] Pretty short concept organ is used again in reference to a brain, um, before with, um,


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[Assistant] That's something that's really beautiful in like, in, that's why I like a lot of Elder Scrolls lore books and so on.


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[Assistant] Um, and if you look at ancient, sometimes like in real life mythological stuff, ancient words, you can kind of get a better image by using a simpler thing. Like concept organ is more.


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[Assistant] Beautiful, but like, you know, obviously it's simpler to say brain and concept organ seems more like, uh, just mashing two other words together to get the same thing, but it just works. Do you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] It's funny how like a lot of words, like if you go back with the language, that language like gets stacks on top of like basically things that take on new meaning. So, so, you know, like you could go like at Mora literally mean, you know, I think it's like Elderwood or something like that, but like they would be cause it


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[Assistant] To someone else, like someone of another language or so on would hear our word for it. It's really basic. Like they were just saying, oh yeah, the elder would, but they will understand it as like, oh, this unique sounding word. And then they, like there's examples in England and so on and, and, and other countries around the world where if you actually like decode all the language.


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[Assistant] Of, of a place it's called like river, river, river or river on river because it's, it's an ancient word for river built on top of it. Now, because, you know, a foreigner has come and, and they go, Oh, we're going to conquer this place. What's it called?


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[Assistant] This and then they use their word forever with it and you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like hairbrush really isn't too different from concept organ. You know what I mean? Like, yeah.


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[Assistant] Oh, so what I was saying, I used it in the point for, for languages in, in one of the videos we made before, is that it's like, uh, it's like shkyahin lahe in, in like Irish. It's like a Gaelic word.


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[Assistant] And that's what they use for bat, but if you li- if you just phonetically, like just get it down, it's- so not phonetically, if you just directly translate it, it just says leather.


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[Assistant] That's all it means. Leather wing. But they understand it as a bat. What I was saying is in language, is for example,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just funny that like when you strip away all of like the complexity of it at the mo- like a lot of communication is like really basic. It's kind of just like-


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[Assistant] What I'm saying, it's not like, it's just like, you know, words being mashed together that then forms a complex word, but if you strip them all down, they're still basic things that can get more vague. So what I was trying to say is like, you're there, how like the leather wing is, it does have a variety of interpretations and so on.


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[Assistant] Think about it. Is it probably not a source from a- is it not a source or something from a place called Buffalo? Like, that they use in Buffaloings?


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[Assistant] For anyone in the comments saying that this is a, um, this is like a big tangent. It's not because this is about books and language and knowledge in general. So any trivia fits perfectly within the realm of Fimaeus Morum.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, sometimes those kinds of like foods, it's usually like a, a place or something, but.


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[Assistant] It was made by Xarxes, but you know, they were sort of more hero god kind of level, like less, less, uh, do you know what I mean? It's very elven god, if you know what I mean, like a bit more, um,


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[Assistant] More than along the chain versus homeos more direct from the source of the most like ancient stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's got a nice, like, creation story too, like the whole, like, ogma, uhm, thing making.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, there's lots of cool stuff, uhm.


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[Assistant] I just like those lines about the black books about, uhm, future. Actually, we should just pull them up. Ah, I don't know, I'm just gonna pull out my script from...


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[Assistant] From before, where we were talking about, cause there's the stuff where it alludes to, uhm, Kim and stuff as well.


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[Assistant] It counts the book, it's in the book Waking Dreams, it goes, the eyes once bleached by falling stars of utmost revelation will forever see the faint insight drawn by the overwhelming question as only the true inquiry shapes the edge of thought, the rest is vulgar fiction, attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead.


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[Assistant] First, and then it goes to continue, but like once the eyes wants to bleach by the falling stars of utmost revelation, sounds like the middle dawn period where there's the only consistent thing that was going on during the middle dawn dragon break was the eight falling stars. And then also like, you know, talking about the, I like the dread feeling there of like,


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[Assistant] You know, the rest is vulgar fiction attempts to impose order on the consensus mantlings of an uncaring godhead, but just sort of how insignificant even these, you know, mantling different stories and gods and heroes and stuff. It's just all, it doesn't matter to this uncaring godhead. And I just really like that. That's an example of something, you know, you'd read,


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[Assistant] You know the characters in a Lovecraft fiction would read or come upon or something like that and be filled with


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[Assistant] I think it's just straight onto the page in a way that I think like it's probably more gameplay function to give it to you. Like you can always imagine that it's a bit more of like a mind transfer kind of thing, but you can imagine infinite languages in his infinite realm of all of these different pages and stuff.


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[Assistant] Like if you want to account for like languages and stuff, like everything in like heaps of things in Morrowind or in Skyrim or something, everywhere should have their own individual languages and you know, imperial versions and different in the same way that there is, you know, in a real world that there are a variety of, of different.


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[Assistant] You can even imagine it like poetically as like raw knowledge and then that your brain like only understanding language like it filters to what you understand. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] No, yeah, no, I mean, it's all, it's all valid. Regardless, it's just, you know, that's what it says, cause it, you know, you have to read it in game, whether it's a...


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[Assistant] That, or an app, translate app, or if it's directly beamed into your brain, that, that's the knowledge. But there are some interesting ones, there's something about Isgramor as well, in another one of them, and I, I just like.


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[Assistant] I like a bit more so, and I also think that the Ogmar Infinium in its like purpose is a bit more, it kind of seems like a device to imbue power, you know what I mean? Like a path of steel, path of this, so on, so it's like here, get like this


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[Assistant] Library. It's like they're not meant to be read by you. Do you know what I mean? Like the Ogma Infinium is supposed to, it's tool is here, have it imbue power or read it, gain the knowledge. Whereas the black box is sort of like a bit more of a.


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[Assistant] You know, don't, because it's hemaeus moras. Like he doesn't gift the black books to people. Yeah, you go in, you read them and then you're like, oh, freak out. Or you get like a cool bonus.


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[Assistant] Just in terms of the chronology of the games, I guess. I would say in Oblivion, in Oblivion, I'm pretty sure the Ogmere Infinium is just a copy of, of the Mysterium Xarxes in Oblivion, but in Skyrim it's got this sort of different kind of like triangle kind of, almost looks like a Nordic kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] We'll sign this middle of this triangle and then there's another thing. I'm pretty sure it's, uhm.


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[Assistant] Made up language stuff, but if anything that looks more like it's supposed to beam. Yeah, that's more like a brain transfer.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure. If it could. It just says, I love my wife, Ogma. She is very nice. I am an elf.


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[Assistant] They'll probably stick just to the book. And I think it's, the only reason I don't mind as much in this case is because there are no other David Princes that really give you a book. Like I know Mysterium Xarxes has, you know what I mean? Or there's like a few in here, so there's books that exist, but you know, no one wants the Folium Disconidum or whatever it's called over laboratory.


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[Assistant] I'll throw something out there too. It's like, you know, I think we've kind of talked about this before and like being able to join cults and stuff. Like imagine if you just get your stocks down and you got your warrior guild, mage guild, assassin guild, thieves guild. It's probably what's going to happen. One thing I feel like that they could do that's actionable is actually put in a series of quests for some of the Daedric Princes. So, you know, just give them.


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[Assistant] I really think, and I think that's a good idea anyway because


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[Assistant] People, if they're worried about, uh, not worried about, but if they want to hone in on like brand recognition, people love the Daedric Princes. Like there's a, you know, oblivion, like it's everyone's size. I loved going to statues and doing the oblivion, you know, the Daedric quests and they love the Daedric quests in Skyrim. Like double down on it then.


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[Assistant] If you want to put more effort in, do, and you want to, like that would satisfy me and it would satisfy the Daedric, um, the whole idea of, um, uh, brand recognition or something like that.


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[Assistant] Probably like, 7 years ago, in like, when we did our ideal Elder Scrolls 6, I think we mentioned it in there, the idea that you would be able to like, have like, little mini.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure how it works when you're, uhm,


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[Assistant] If you teleport directly into there, I guess. Cause you know the black book is kinda like a tel- like maybe like how Mori and Zenus and stuff got there wasn't through a black book. It was like teleportation.


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[Assistant] I don't know why, I don't actually know why you can't die in it. Like why you shouldn't be, like why they designed it that way. Just a, just a lore thing, I guess.


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[Assistant] He, uh, joined up with Hemaeus Mora to get himself out of the, uh, well, it's seemingly, you don't know which order it is because like there, there are theories. I don't know. Like I think we made a theory. I can't remember if I'm.


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[Assistant] Doing it, saying it right, but a theory we made before about Mirak is that perhaps Hamaeus Mora, you know, by scrying the tides of fate or so on, could like, foresee the whole Dragonborn


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[Assistant] Use that and give it to Mirak, but he got it kind of from the future, kind of like with the Akatosh sort of deal. Do you want to mean like had that blessing, that knowledge beforehand? Well, he knew it because it was in the future from chronologically.


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[Assistant] Last note I wanted to actually talk about as well as just mention is how, uhm,


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[Assistant] Mira- I love how Miraak's stuff and the Acolyte priests all have, have like their masks have kind of-


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[Assistant] Love, you know what I mean, a bit more of a Lovecraftian kind of feeling, you kind of, uhm, yeaah, it's just cool how they've, they've, they've mixed, you get that mixture of the dragonborn sort of, the dragon cult look.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I guess actually there is probably something finally we should discuss and so on, but like fate of the last dragonborn because


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[Assistant] If we look at Champion of Cyrodiil and Oblivion, the kind of canonical idea is that he goes off and mantles Shagorath and becomes Shagorath and gets him out of the picture. Generally you want your protagonist of the previous games to be out of the picture so you can pave way for a new thing. Like it doesn't feel good if there's a dragonborn running around that's like so much, do you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] So they, I think they will try and conveniently get rid of this demigod essentially by


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[Assistant] Making him a champion of Hermaeus Mora and then he gets right down the Hermaeus Mora.


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[Assistant] You know, because you can also imagine him reading the black books, but perhaps going down a rabbit hole and getting into all of the black books and then you just never hear of him again, you know? It'd be cool to think that he maybe just


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[Assistant] They are pretty good at not stepping on your prior like game decisions and invalidating them. Like, you know, Morrowind, they go, Oh, Nerevarine just off to Akkavi out of the way, you know, Champion of Cyrodiil becomes the, you know, Shaogorath at the end. Cause you know, the expansion. So as a general rule, I don't think they would ever set a canon.


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[Assistant] Dragonborn or anything like that. Cause I think it's kind of just, it's, it's, you know.


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[Assistant] Antithetical to their idea of player freedom and choice be who you want to be if you then, you know, a couple years later tell them, oh, you know, remember that thing before like you were canonically them, which is why I'm sort of like interested to see how they'll handle, um, the, the deal with Stormcloak's first Imperials. Yeah, it will be, it will be interesting.


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[Assistant] Alright, well that was a very knowledge-filled broadcast on Homeus Mora. Constantly scrying the tides of fate here at Fudge Muppet. So uhm, I think that's about it. And we will be back to nerd out with you again next time.


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[Assistant] I guess I'll just quickly get out of the way as well that Boethiah is one of those Daedric Princes that just appears as a male and then a female and then as a male again. Even though they can all do that if they wanted to, Boethiah tends to do it a lot.


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[Assistant] So you will hear in this podcast us switch between he and she, not on purpose, just because like I'm thinking of the Skyrim quest and I say she or so on and so forth.


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[Assistant] But didn't the texts often say that though, predating Skyrim? Maybe I'm wrong, I feel like I just remember it being in the lore. Could be.


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[Assistant] I've heard that on both, yea, like, the followers of Trinimac did that and became the orcs, but also the dark, uhm, well, the Uldmer did that and became.


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[Assistant] It can get quite weird. I mean, everyone's got their own version of the story. Malekath himself says that that's like far too literal. But I mean, I would say that too if I was in that position because I'd be embarrassed.


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[Assistant] It is fun- sorry, I was gonna say it is funny how they go to Morrowind and the Dwemer obviously have a presence there. And while the two Elvish- Elvish races go about it completely different ways, they are both trying to ascend to godhood in a way. Like the Dwemer through technology and kind of, you know, all of their-


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[Assistant] Uh, tonal architecture and what not, but then the chimer in the sense of just transcendence through overcoming life's obstacles and leveling up.


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[Assistant] As Drew likes to put it to all the gamers out there. But, but, but it is, it is like that as opposed to like praying and just hoping to go back one day to your ancestor form or, or undoing the world or whatever way you want to go about it. It's like transcendence through action.


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[Assistant] I mean, the book Boethius Proving, which you can find in Skyrim, is a good example of Boethius' attitude.


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[Assistant] Because it's the one that talks about the followings going to summon, the followers going to summon Boethiah.


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[Assistant] And then as they appear, they're kind of all, even though they're Boethiah followers, you'd think they'd know how to act, but they're kind of, uh, a bit too begging for mercy and she basically destroys each one, even with like a blink or breath and things like that, until one of them realizes, well, oh, I better do something and just basically shanks the other one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's, have mercy upon us, one of them says. She blinked twice, once he was in agony, twice he was destroyed. She cast a withering glance across those remaining and said, I do not grant mercy. And so it was with the others. She putting them to proof, they offering none.


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[Assistant] Finally she came to me, eyes aglow with anger, tongue wet with hate, and said, Of all my believers but two remain, tell me, second to last, with what shall you prove your existence?


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[Assistant] Without hesitation I drew forth my blade and buried it in the chest of the other who stood beside me, and without fear replied, Ask him whose blood now sprouts from my blade if I exist. She smiled and the gates of oblivion opened between her teeth.


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[Assistant] Such as the blood dripping from this blade. Accepting my gift, she nodded and said,


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[Assistant] It is interesting that out of the three good Daedra that the Dark Elves follow, they're quite different, like especially in terms of how they want to be worshipped, like Azura basically wants you to suck up to her, basically what you absolutely shouldn't do when talking to a summoned Boethiah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, whereas Boethyr is definitely more, uh, I guess anti-symp in the way. Like, here's a quote from Boethyr's proving again, but like, here's what one of them said to her and got killed.


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[Assistant] It's also a chaotic force anyway, like you can imagine it's not cohesive.


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[Assistant] I mean, you could, you could look at it just like Earth in the sense that like, um, at least a lot of people on Earth are favorable towards creation. I mean, but we wouldn't sit around saying we're all Patamaic and all get along and all have the same beliefs. Like there's going to be a huge diversity in all the different cultures that fall within that, that sphere or classification.


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[Assistant] It sounds really cool. It's like some Boethia propaganda until she kills one of your best friends in front of you and you go, oh no. Cause it's tough love, right? But then it's, it's not in the sense that she tends to make an example out of someone so severely that they die. It's kind of like you have one chance.


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[Assistant] It kinda seems like passion would be like a good way to fuse those two ideas together.


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[Assistant] It is, it is interesting as well how it carries over into the Khajiiti ideology so heavily that they don't even worship Boethiah in the traditional sense. Like if we go back to that story about the reverence and Boethiah not really liking it.


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[Assistant] In their pantheon, it's like, no, we don't even pray to her at all. We just take the action. Like we just be.


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[Assistant] What the ideology is and live it and not talk about it and pray about it and whatever else.


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[Assistant] I really like that, I think that's really cool, and I like how the, which we haven't really talked about heaps yet, the whole traitorous betrayal element of Boethiah, because obviously Boethiah is not just a sole warrior god in the sense that you could say Trinimac or some deity like that is. So uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just really like that. It's like waiting in order to pounce. That's what I was getting to.


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[Assistant] But then again, sometimes the Daedra, they obviously have their own motives and we have to see them in some ways still as individuals. In the same way that Nocturnal wanted to pry power in Elder Scrolls Online and a lot of people were angry because they're like, no, she's just this shadowy god of thieves who only does nice things. But in the same way, it's like,


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[Assistant] You can betray someone and, and they can be like, oh, that's cool. Cause I like betrayal and that's my technique. But, um, I'm, I'm still mad at you because you betrayed me. Do you get what I'm getting at?


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[Assistant] It's such a cool mythology as well. It's such a shame that they kind of riddle far it out of the current state of things. Like it's like everything cool is old and not modern. It's like, oh, they had this really cool pantheon that was more popular back in the day.


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[Assistant] But not so much anymore. I'd love to see it return.


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[Assistant] I mean, this statue looks really cool. The one in the Elder Scrolls Online for Boethra. You almost can't really tell that that's a Khajiit until you see the tail. Cause there's like a lynx looking creature as well, which I like as kind of like a companion there. Reminds me a bit of a clavicus vile and barbus dynamic, but you can see the tail of the


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[Assistant] The creature, but then there's also a tail just tucked down, I believe.


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[Assistant] Uhm, where the cape of Boethra is. Uhm, they say it could be, uh, Omazrat? Yeah. Khajiit? The ones that kind of look like human-y elf things?


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[Assistant] I mean, there is the quote, what about here, I'll add to your theory, isn't there a quote in Oblivion that NPCs say to each other when they're just like, I hear Daedra worship is becoming increasingly popular in the Somerset Isles. Isn't that, isn't that- I can't, I can't remember.


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[Assistant] I was, I was, when I was playing Oblivion for a video I'm working on, I, I'm pretty sure they said it. They wouldn't say Adra. Why would they say Adra worships becoming increasingly popular? They wouldn't say that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I hear Daedra worship has become increasingly prevalent in the Somerset Isle. And then the two responses to that can be, uhm, oh no, it's one, the Altmer have powerful wizards. It could be a dangerous situation.


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[Assistant] It's like evolution. They just go further down the path and then they all end up dark elves and then Scott's incredibly happy because dark elves occupy big spaces on both sides of the map.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sorry, I just have the exact Azura quote for you. Well, not ex- not exact quote, but just like reading, uhm, Azura was able to rip the dark heart and all the darkness out of her brother before it, uh, I literally just like, clicked page, before it consumed him. And it's gone. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That was meant to be, uh, forged by the dragons of the north, assuming Atmora, which I think is really cool because it's an example of one of those artifacts that's not necessarily Daedric in origin, but then a Daedric prince decides to claim them. I think that's cool.


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[Assistant] That is a, that is a narrative, but, like, you never, you never know, and Fierstruck was never really mentioned again. There's replicas of the Fierstruck shield in the Elder Scrolls Online, but, I mean, that's just a replica. It's like a decorative kind of thing. Do you want me to quickly tell that story, or, do I risk this one?


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[Assistant] I mean, that would be cool if it was true. I just, I just don't know if, if they would blatantly rip off a mod author like that, but I mean, I wouldn't put it past them at the same time. Yeah. I'm kind of curious.


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[Assistant] The, the Lyrisius story is, is a Akavir story actually. So it's like a guy in ancient times, a hero, Lyrisius, fighting against Akaviri slave traders, and then he basically meets a, a worm or a dragon.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and he has this shield, Fierstruck, given to him by Boethiah, and the dragon melts the shield instantly, just breathes fire and Fierstruck's gone. And so he basically surrenders to the dragon, but very Boethiah of him, he tricks the dragon by saying, oh, I'll, uh, polish your,


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[Assistant] One tarnished scale. There's this one scale the dragon can't reach.


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[Assistant] And so the dragon having an ego says, okay, fine. And then Larusius climbs on shoves a dagger under the scale and the dragon can't hit him, which I find strange if it's just one untarnished, uh, one tarnished scale because he's obviously bigger than a scale. He's the size of a human. So the dragon should be able to hit him. But anyway, we'll ignore that part of the story.


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[Assistant] And then he basically forces the dragon to fly over and basically burn to a crisp the whole enemy army there.


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[Assistant] And then jumps off, knowing that he's gonna die and then Boethiah appears and saves him. There's your paraphrased story.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But the way the story goes is like, there's this one scale. It can polish all the other ones, but it's like this one spot on your back you can't itch. So it's like assuming Lyricius is bigger than that one spot.


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[Assistant] I can probably, I can probably find where it came out. It came out July 2015, that I can see it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I don't know if this is the exact one because it says endorsements to total view 600. So I don't think that's- It is really similar.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Cause there's a Skyrim special edition pages obviously on like mod pages, but then you can actually, if you look it up, just go to the normal Skyrim one. I don't know, but yeah, could be- Anyway, we're-


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[Assistant] I can't believe Elder Scrolls Online came out in 2014. I thought it was earlier than that.


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[Assistant] Camel started that, he had like guides for like how to get certain resources and stuff, I think I remember stuff like that.


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[Assistant] What other artifacts are there? I don't really think there are any. There's those three. Uh, we can talk a little bit about Boethiah's realm, which has two names, similar to how Death Shroud has a cool version. There's Snake Mount, which sounds cooler, but it could be better. And then there's Attribution's Share.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which is the other name for the realm. Now, this realm of Boethiah is kinda similar to the Deadlands. Like, it looks like Oblivion a bit. Well, when I say it looks like Oblivion, it looks like what you go through in an Oblivion gate, in the game Oblivion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, consists of stormy skies, volcanic islands, and lava seas. Now, I originally put this down to a game development thing, how in Oblivion, they obviously didn't go and make all these different Daedric realms, so that's why the tournament of the Ten Bloods, which is Boethia's tournament where she has ten warriors fight against each other for an ultimate winner,


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[Assistant] Uhm, looked how it looked. But then, I believe in the Elder Scrolls Online, you go to the Champions Arena, and that looks different, for sure, but it is a lava, kind of, volcanic, fiery stone realm.


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[Assistant] Actually, are you sure that was Peri-ite's realm? I just looked it up, yeaah. No, uh, hold on, I'm, I'm gonna con- I'm gonna contest this. Or was Peri-ite just- I'm gonna contest this. I'm gonna contest it. Hold on. Was it just because it was Peri-ite's quest?


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[Assistant] Find their souls when all are collected I will return you here.


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[Assistant] So, for me, when I read that, I will transport you to the plane of oblivion in which they are trapped. He's not, like, if it was his realm, he'd be like, they're trapped in my realm, so.


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[Assistant] For me, I know it's called like Periath's Realm, whatever, if it's called that in the game files, but I could definitely see a Periath Realm being completely different and that's not anything to do with the lore.


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[Assistant] Nah, it's because I had the same, I had the exact same confusion.


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[Assistant] I don't remember what video I was making, but when I heard that quote, I was like, oh, that, that sounds different to how I


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[Assistant] So, the Farnuit Hen character was rules over a pocket realm.


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[Assistant] The mouse, like, Maelstrom, which, uhm,


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[Assistant] The whole story can get a bit complicated, but it sounds like what you were talking about, Drew, when you were saying that, like, it could be like Yu-Gi-Oh, where you change the scenery. There were these, I think there were barons. And it's similar to the creation story, these barons kind of turned themselves into different, like, arenas.


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[Assistant] Which you can go and fight in, um, cause it features in the Elder Scrolls Online. But, I don't think it is just Elder Scrolls Online lore, because this Fa Nuit Hen, um, character was mentioned in the first sermon of the 36 Lessons of Vivec.


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[Assistant] But it is a very interesting demi-prince in the sense that he knows like all martial arts basically. Like that could ever exist and he continuously learns from his barons as they discover new martial styles during their adventures outside the realm.


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[Assistant] Uhm, however, he has a very weak memory, and the barons, their lessons begin to fade if they're away from him.


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[Assistant] But then what happens is, uhm, the barons put, it's like the creation process, the barons put much of themselves into the creation process, basing each one on the lessons they learned while adventuring.


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[Assistant] Pantheon kind of stuff in the way that it's described.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so yeaah, they have all the different places like Veil of the Surreal, Drome of Toxic Shock, Set's Flywheel, Rink of Frozen Blood, uhm, so you can get a bit more interesting lore out of Boethia stuff there. Although there's not like, a whole heap of interaction with Boethia and that specific, uhm, quest.


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[Assistant] Sorry, yeah, but they- don't they call him? He's said to be the demi-prince of all women. That's out of- I'm pretty sure that's- That's Kirkbride stuff, actually. Yeah, demi-god is- Demi-god is better.


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[Assistant] Not, not really, I mean, this is a sign of Boethiah, like a...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's related. And the, the, the themes of combat and all that, they all shine through, so. Yeah. Seems to make sense.


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[Assistant] Well, any of you boys got anything else to say about this Daedric Prince Boethier? The very last thing I-


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's so- I love that. I didn't even notice that, now that I'm actually looking at it and seeing the horns hovering above the mask. That is-


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[Assistant] Well, if anyone out there listening is in a super Boethia mood, we did recently-ish make, as in like October 2020, make a Boethra build the Golden Lion, which you can go and play and it uses mods and has gold brand, so you can have fun with that.


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[Assistant] Thrust spear. I thrust my spear through Drew. Before Boethiah kills me.


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[Assistant] I think it'd be a good, sorry, did you wanna? Yeah, sure. I'll take it from here, chief. I'll take it as the day job. Well, on top of that, uhm, there's a thing that gets associated especially with Malacath, whereas, you know, he's considered the patron of the ostracised, but that only really applies to the orcs, and I feel like Namira is the true,


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[Assistant] Um, prints of people who are really shunned and disliked in society.


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[Assistant] You know, if you, if you're a nihilist, if you, if you hate the world, you go to Namira. If you wanna just hide in the shadows and anyone comes near your little gremlin cave, you just kill them. That's Namira's sphere, as well as just grossness.


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[Assistant] It's almost more political with Malacath. It's like if you're not part of the, you know, the cultural, the dominant cultural, the dominant political faction and you're on the outskirts and you're fighting against a system, you know, whatever, you're doing any of that stuff, that's Malacath. Whereas, um, you know, if you're sitting in the bottom of a cave eating people and, and, you know,


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[Assistant] Tearing saws off your flesh, that's not really Malakath's domain.


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[Assistant] It almost makes you think that she's kind of like the secret corner of the Dunmeri House of Troubles, cause like, out of everything that the Dunmer are about, Namira seems to embody everything the good Daedra didn't like.


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[Assistant] It's personified in her, you know, the idea is that Boethiah, Mephala and Azura want you to kind of transcend mortality and to rise above it and to prove yourself better than the test, whereas Namira just wants you to sit in a corner and cry and be upset and be disgusting and wallow basically.


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[Assistant] I guess to add to that as well, with the Khajiit, they have the two...


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[Assistant] Afterlives. There's the positive afterlife, which is the sand behind the stars, and then the negative one, which is the dark behind the world, and the idea is that if a Khajiit


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[Assistant] Strays from the path, they'll end up in the dark behind the world, and I- it- it's hard to say exactly what- what it means to go there, there's obviously the tie to the dramaphora which we'll talk about.


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[Assistant] But uhm, to add to what you're saying, it is kind of like the idea is that generally your afterlife is like the cycle of life. You go to the afterlife and then you come back to the mortal world and it keeps the cycle going.


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[Assistant] Whereas if, perhaps if you don't go to the normal afterlife and you stray from the path, that's kind of like the sigic endeavour for the dunma. It's, it's like breaking free from the cycle.


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[Assistant] She's, she gave Lorkhan permission to make this, this world, but she likes letting the darkness seep into this world where it doesn't belong. That's kind of what you see with her followers and cultists a lot.


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[Assistant] It is very much like, uh, the, if the idea is that with the Reach, um, Reachman Pantheon, that they kind of work together to, you know, she at least allowed him to do it in the Khajiit origin story. It's much more of a corruption on Lorcan. Like she's.


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[Assistant] To kind of meet a special, I guess, I guess if you look at it like the void or the great darkness, it's like, if you imagine, you try to imagine what that entails. If you think of the void, you don't really think of it as being, um, like,


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[Assistant] I'm trying to put this well, but like it's kind of like morally neutral, even though, even though you can associate a lot of bad things to it.


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[Assistant] It is just kind of like a great form of nihilism, really, because it, you know, if Mundus exists in the Void, and you've got these people who worship the Void or are obsessed with the Void and kind of, uhm, do Namira's bidding, it's like, it's being, to me it seems very anti-Mundus, very anti-mortal world.


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[Assistant] Which I guess when I say that it does kind of contradict the initial idea I said that it's like works against the Dunmer and Scott you challenged it. I think it is possible that


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[Assistant] It's like the balance of the Force. The balance of Anuic and Padamiac. It's like you got the aedra bringing in the kind of the light elements. And you kind of need both. You need both to be working against one another. The interplay of light and darkness, which is what Anu and Padami are.


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[Assistant] And if you don't have actors like Namira bringing in elements of the darkness, then, you know, it's the contrast. You need the contrast, basically.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's kind of the comparison between, um, like the Daedric Vestige and where that goes after death and the, the kind of mortal spirit. It's like the dreamsleeve.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause uhm, like all of the planes of existence exist within the void as well, right? So if we are associating her literally with the void, then you could even make the claim that she has the claim over aetherius and spirits in aetherius as well.


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[Assistant] So, she's, she could be pretty OP. Maybe she's just hiding it.


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[Assistant] He gets the pick of any disease he wants, which is pretty cool.


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[Assistant] Because maybe if you're saying first age, it just means the first of them, as opposed to saying first era, which we associate with technically not the first era, it's just called the first era.


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[Assistant] I was wondering where to bring that. To this day, that is my biggest regret. Because it's like, it was just a passing comment in the Namira video where I was like, oh, you know, I made a joke about Weedle evolving into Metapod. And because you're just thinking about like, writing a script and voicing it, you're like,


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yikes. But the idea that he's like 13th in line to Valenwood's throne makes me think it actually is the first era. Cause the idea of kind of human or like mortal rulers in the Merefic era, I mean like in Valenwood, were there known kings? I thought they were all divided.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well you could look at corruption as like the corruption of a wound, for example. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And obviously there's the ties to, there are some ties to peri-ite, if you're looking at the disease and pestilence, foulness aspect of things. But that's kind of the way with some of the urdra is that


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[Assistant] Yeah, the pestilence isn't purely for the sake of seeing people suffer. It's more the kind of natural balance being with like upheld.


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[Assistant] Well, I can't remember his name, but the, the, the guy in, the Khajiit in Skyrim who kind of, uh, worships Peri-ite. Kesh, is it Kesh the Clean or something like that? Yeah, pretty sure. Cause he specifically refers to, to the idea that it's kind of like, um, it's the pus that cleans out a wound.


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[Assistant] You can almost imagine it like, uhm, if a wound heals well, then it's maybe more peri-


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[Assistant] Like, periodic worshippers would, would see good things in that, whereas if it festers, then that's, that's Namira's influence.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so when Azura pulls it out, it's not like, you know, some metaphorical, um, statement, but she actually has to dispose of it and potentially buries it underground.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when you hear Menkaar Cameron's assertion that Mundus is just Lorkhan's Plane of Oblivion, it is almost like, it's just the Daedric Princes just fighting with each other, and now that one of them is absent from his own Plane of Oblivion, it's kind of free reign for all the other Daedric Princes to mess with it.


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[Assistant] With, uh, aedric realms or like the afterlives, you ca- you kind of imagine it as it's just different interpretations of sections of the dream sleeve, you know, where- where spirits go back to before they're reborn.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, you've got Sovngard would be the Nordic interpretation of it. So perhaps, you know, with the scuttling void, the Da behind the world is just kind of the Khajiit interpretation or the part of her realm that is designed for them.


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[Assistant] But yea, the idea that Namira, the Great Darkness's realm, is tailored specifically to the Khajiit definitely wouldn't be.


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[Assistant] True, it's probably just what we see, one tiny fraction of it we see.


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[Assistant] Now's not a good time for us all to be searching, but, but yeaah, uhm, cause yeaah, the idea is that the dark behind the world is mostly inhabited by a dramaphora, right? Uhm, so corrupted khajiit. Yeaah. Can, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well it's kind of like, you know, from a lore perspective it would almost be tied to like self-harm, whether it- can it even cast your own attacks back on you if you're wearing it? Or is it- yeah.


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[Assistant] Maybe like it absolutely tanks your charisma and or something like that. It makes you just re maybe even makes you physically disgusting, but then makes you stronger as a result or something.


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[Assistant] And I mean, there's also the fact that uhm, there are still a few princes


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[Assistant] Elder Scrolls Online hasn't expanded on that much, and it could be similar to the idea of, uhm, I think we've talked about this before, but the idea that Elder Scrolls Online are kind of leaving some areas relatively untouched, with the idea that Elder Scrolls 6 kind of have dibs on it at the moment, and that could be the case with the princes they want to explore more.


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[Assistant] There's also the hand of Namira, which is kind of like a monkey's paw type, like rotting hand that corrupts everything in its general vicinity. That's very old school Namira.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to find the connection, how it could be tied to her sphere in some way, but...


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet, I'm Scott here with Michael and Drew as always and today we are talking all about the Daedric Prince of Nightmares, Veemina. Which one of you guys would like to start us off- Oh, quick! Daedroal- Daedroal- Daedroal and Drew, let's go!


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[Assistant] It's probably a little too early to go down such a crazy road, but...


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[Assistant] When you bring in like the whole concept of the dream sleeve, which is a really loose concept anyway, but it's the idea from what there's a few little


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[Assistant] Awake in the dream sleeve, dreaming himself into reality, like the reverse of it. It's more complicated than that, but that is, it's a very, very simplified version of it.


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[Assistant] I kind of makes me wonder at how much of Vayminer's influence is kind of interconnected with that or whether it is just sort of part of things like her, do you know what I mean? Like how much influence does she have over it?


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[Assistant] Well, kind of, like I'm sort of going by the idea that basically, perhaps that all dreams are not her, but she does.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I see what you mean. It's just kind of a, it's a tricky, uh, spot. I was just looking out to just to double check like what, um, kind of canon stuff there is for the Dream Sleeve. And it's really, really, um, few. It's like basically like,


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[Assistant] Yeah. So we kind of have to like, a lot of it becomes from like Kirkbride sort of outlaw stuff. But we do just, I just want everyone to keep that in mind because for example, like if you completely like disregard the dream sleeve, you could.


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[Assistant] See, I actually think, I would, like, I guess this is my take on her. I know she's referred to as Prince of Dreams and Nightmares, and then you often get, like, there's, you know, what is it, the Dream Weaver as well.


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[Assistant] Um, but I would say that like all of the nightmares and darker parts are like the bigger emphasis and almost you could say that she is more so like a Daedric Prince of fear through like nightmares about everything.


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[Assistant] You don't really, she never really, I guess, takes ownership of a dream where, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and being born of fear anyway, that's another sort of just little thing in the mythology that kind of, she's the embodiment of fear that then haunts the Khajiit, uhm, afterwards with nightmares. Like, there's always this haunting, fearful kind of stuff. And even more to make it less...


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[Assistant] Kind of leveraging that too, like obviously nightmares end fear more broadly, like which is, you know, with the nightmares you can...


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[Assistant] Here's a thematic opposite to that, you know, uh, the skull of corruption, key word corruption is her artifact. And then when you, what does in, in at least in oblivion and previous games and so on, it creates a sort of clone of.


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[Assistant] Of yourself, which is a darker version or clone of you, but in, to me at least the corrupted version implies like not the reality or not the true. So I'd actually say in opposed to that, I would believe.


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[Assistant] You know, I mean, you can debate it out. It's still up for debate, but I just think that leads me to believe that she, the nightmares and the fear and everything is not the truth, but the corruption. And perhaps it's just the followers of her going, oh, not true. It gives me a lot of.