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[Assistant] So I guess the working class, you've got to have a career at the end of this. I guess he couldn't see a career as such in math. He saw physics as a bit more applied. Yeah, he did. And in fact, he didn't know you were going to become a cosmologist. No, that's right. That's right.


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[Assistant] Probably just for the sake of a career, make sure I go and get something that's, do a subject that's clearly got me.


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[Assistant] Kings. Oxford. I wasn't ready for Oxford. Uh, you do an entrance exam in those. I don't know if you still, I think you still do, but I did it in what is called the lower sixth. That's the year before you finish. So I did it early.


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[Assistant] I got from Oxford the most precious thing I've got is the, the letter which they sent to say you've not got in. Because I'm no ordinary person that hasn't got in, you know, Brady. You're not talking to any old reject here. I am an A-class reject.


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[Assistant] It could have been you, Oxford. It could have been you. Yes, I'm an A-class reject from there. And then I went to, uh, interview at Imperial and King's and, uh, Not, not Sheba universities. No, no, they were fine universities. And Imperial I went on the Tuesday and King's on the, no, King's on the Tuesday, Imperial on the Wednesday. King's I went and to, and they said, well, we only take 25 people. So this is,


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[Assistant] Late 70s. Well now they'd close a department that only took 25 people, but they said, we take 25, you'll do what they call special physics.


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[Assistant] That was their degree, special physics. And, um, I really liked it. I, I liked the, the, the people that they were, they said, we, of course, if only taken 25, we get to know you all very well. And that was true. That was made a big difference. The next day I went to Imperial, they said, here's a notice board. And it was this big, big notice board. And they said, there's 200.


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[Assistant] You must know where it is, it's by Australia House. Oh yes, I know where Australia House is. Yeaah, so it's right by Australia House. And uhm, so, but in particular that means it's by Waterloo Bridge, so you go across Waterloo Bridge and you're at the South Bank. So, I'd never been to theatre.


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[Assistant] So I started going to theatre, you could get student standby tickets and you'd get them on the morning and I saw Amadeus, the play, the first


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[Assistant] Two minutes walk. So what I do is I just go up to the library and work till seven and then go across the bridge and...


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[Assistant] I'm looking at it and I'm thinking, what's this? I've never come across complex imaginary number. You didn't do that at high school? No, I'd never done it. Never come across it. Minus square root of minus one. So I just turned to this person who I didn't know. I said, what is that? Is this square root of minus one? And he sort of gives me this strange look. And I'm thinking, this is lecture one.


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[Assistant] Start learning. So I bought all the maths books, which I'd been asked to buy. It cost a small fortune, but I bought them. And so I turned to the chapter, which had an imaginary number and complex numbers. And so.


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[Assistant] Early university physics, you know, the first year or two, it's things like thermodynamics and classical mechanics. It's, it's, it's the bread and butter.


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[Assistant] Of, of, of a physics degree. And, and so you're just applying things to situations which you might not be that familiar with. You know, most of us never think about what's called a Carnot cycle, the efficiency of a heat engine, unless you're building a fridge or a, or an air pump.


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[Assistant] You have to learn all of these things and, and the, you've got the maths, which is hard enough, and then you're trying to make sure you understand the physics aspects. So you've got this double whammy with physics. Whereas with the maths, I could just enjoy playing with the numbers and learning it. But when I first arrived, I thought I've, I've got, I'm going to struggle here.


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[Assistant] Because my A levels had been okay, but most of the 25 that were in had got straight A's on everything and I hadn't. But I did it. The thing that turned the corner for me when I realised actually I can do this, I'll be okay, was...


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[Assistant] Meant, you know, I felt really part of it and in the summer I got in the cricket team and so, uh, yeah, I felt.


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[Assistant] You know, there are these inspirational teachers, you're lucky enough to get through your life. At King's, there was one called John Martin. In the year before he taught,


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[Assistant] Statistical mechanics, which is kind of the atomic understanding of heat, thermodynamics at the level of the atom.


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[Assistant] Thinking to myself, I'm really enjoying, this was the highlight so far of my degree. I was really just loving learning this complicated stuff and it was blowing me away every time and I thought.


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[Assistant] That's the first time I, what can I do? Can I, where can I go? What, how can I carry on? And I, I, I don't think I really understood about PhDs at this point. So I began to talk to various lecturers and they said, well, you go and do a PhD. And so I went and looked up.


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[Assistant] Very famous physicist who'd moved there from kings actually from the maths department called Paul Davis, who's still very active. Many of your listeners will know about Paul Davis. He's one of the best writers of, of.


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[Assistant] I think it just showed keenness. Certainly what I tell potential students when they're going for an interview, find out about the group you're going to have an interview with, find out what they do, and show that you're interested in what they're doing.


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[Assistant] I asked the interview and, um, I got it. And, and, and so I don't know, I got my degree and, and, and I've been, I've been one of these on this production line, right? I've, I've not stopped. So I'm now 20, I'm 21. So I then go up to Newcastle.


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[Assistant] I think it was brave in that I felt it somewhere inside me that this was what I wanted to do. I didn't, you're right, I didn't really understand it, but I knew that at a very superficial level at university, I'd been studying these three topics.


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[Assistant] I want to be part of that. And so, yeah, you're right. There's a bit of not quite desperation, but it's true. I had, I only applied for two PhD places, one at Kings to do statistical mechanics, which they're very famous for and one at Newcastle.


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[Assistant] From someone from, from the, the, the UK Met Office, the weather people, and it was, it's all differential equations. I mean, that's complicated differential equations, it's all chaos, right? It's chaotic.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I could have been there with Michael Fish and the likes, but.


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[Assistant] I knew I wanted to do the quantum field theory stuff and learn about it. So I, so I went up.


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[Assistant] And I started and I had my first meeting with Paul Davis and uhm, in my subject there's a very famous, in cosmology there's a very famous vacuum, you know, where you've no particles.


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[Assistant] No idea. And he said in the current one, the one that's just finished is, is here. And he turned and pulled a book out, which is called quantum field theory in curved spaces. It is the book of quantum fields in curved spaces by Birrell and Davis, his other student. And he said, what I suggest you do is you just start reading Birrell and Davis and then come back and see me.


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[Assistant] And one of those feelings again of do I just leave at this point or do I, you know, these are these last two PhD students, one has produced a, a, one of the main vacuums in inflationary


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[Assistant] Being naive and not really understanding can be useful. So I went off and I started learning. I had to do a lot of it myself. Newcastle was a very small group, Paul had, so there was no MSc courses and no.


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[Assistant] So it's once again where that self-discipline has to kick in, right? You, you, I didn't know what quantum field theory was. I have to go and find out. So I went to the, I started looking, I went to the library, found books and would spend, I must have spent.


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[Assistant] Six months, seven months, just reading textbooks, not even trying to read papers at this point, making sure I try to understand calculations. And then eventually Paul said, well,


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[Assistant] Which wasn't panning out. And he said, well, let's try, his great thing was a thing called particle detectors, which is the idea of if you, you know, it's a detector that can detect particles. And if you move it through a given space time, what would it pick up? What sort of radiation would it pick up? It would, would it be a thermal radiation, like a black body spectrum? Would it have some particular distribution that wasn't that?


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[Assistant] Depends on the space time and you can do the calculations.


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[Assistant] So he suggested a topic, uh, which was to have a detector going in a space time, which was just a cylinder, just a two dimensional space type. The space was just a circle and time was a vertical. So it's a cylinder, right? And it would go up.


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[Assistant] As if you're going up a spiral staircase on a cylinder and that'd be the, and I had to work out what would a detector.


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[Assistant] See in this, would it see any radiation or anything?


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[Assistant] And I remember doing the calculations and I reached this stage where I ended up with this huge, huge sum and I'm looking thinking, well, how am I, I can't do anything with this.


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[Assistant] And then I did, I looked at it different approaches, maybe three weeks I was spending on it. And then one day I'm looking and.


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[Assistant] I had it written out again and I thought, I've got this first term and I've got this second term, but the second term cancels the penultimate term.


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[Assistant] It's probably not the most efficient thing to do where, you know, you've got a big long expression and you try and simplify it and then the next expression still


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[Assistant] You can sort of copy a bit and put it down and then just edit that little bit. So it quickens it. The downside of that is if you've made a mistake up there, it progresses all the way through. But I do, I do use things like Mathematica a lot, but that's going to be at the level where I've ended up with an expression where I don't think there's much more I can do.


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[Assistant] Just on pen and paper, perhaps I'm having to try and solve a differential equation or something and, or, um, if there's an integral, but even then I'll, I'll, I'll first of all try and go to one of those, these classic textbooks of integrals and Gradstein and Ryzik and, and, and tables of functions, uh, Abramovich and Stegen. So yeah.


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[Assistant] I was busy writing books. In fact, he wrote a book whilst I was doing a PhD with him called God and the New Physics, and from that he won the Templeton Prize. So it's at that level that Paul was, and he went off to write the book in the Lake District, which is a beautiful part of the, of Britain of course, but it meant I couldn't communicate with him.


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[Assistant] But I had a, I had a feeling I didn't want to spend my time doing this particle detector.


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[Assistant] We all have breaks in life, things that go well, you know, we're lucky and my first meeting that I went to, I went in my second year at university and, and, and it was,


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[Assistant] There was another, Weinberg gave a talk, and well, he's just an inspiration anyway.


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[Assistant] He gave a talk and in the talk he started telling us about an idea of extra dimensions.


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[Assistant] It's such a beautiful idea that the, these original ideas occludes from Klein was that the forces of nature that we see, the four forces, electromagnetism, the weak force, the strong force and gravity, we kind of think of them as separate objects right now.


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[Assistant] A goal of theoretical physics is often to unify and the idea is as you go to higher energies, maybe these forces become manifestations of the same force and in particular, maybe eventually it's just gravity. And then, and a way that that was done is by saying,


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[Assistant] And from that, I actually got an offer to work with Weinberg. Unfortunately the pound collapsed.


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[Assistant] As it's doing again, and it really collapsed. It went down to a dollar a pound and I was being paid a pound. So I was going to get paid about $9,000 and I thought I can't live in Texas on $9,000. And so I ended up going to Imperial where I haven't gone as an undergraduate. They'd made me an offer.


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[Assistant] After my PhD, I went to do a post-doc at Imperial. That's where I met, uh, Tom Kibble. Right. First time. But I'd really been hired by, they have a very brilliant group of people who work on string theory and on, on Kluzikline models.


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[Assistant] It is interesting, so, you know, how your career path can, you are influenced by people.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and uhm, yeah, just listening to him and then Neil, Neil also was a good friend of mine and now in Edinburgh is at the perimeter as well. He's a very enthusiastic supporter of, at the time of Cosmic Strings and I ended up sharing an office with Neil and so his enthusiasm


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[Assistant] I tend to, it depends on the audience that I'm talking, I call myself more a theoretical physicist because I like to work on a broad range of topics, some of which will be directly related.


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[Assistant] Numerical simulators, for example, and observers that are looking at the largest scales of the universe, they don't think of us particularly as cosmologists. They would say they are the cosmologists, whereas they might put the word early universe.


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[Assistant] Say with the dark energy, which has been a big part of my career since about 1998 when it was first sort of realised that something was driving the acceleration of the universe.


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[Assistant] Dynamical dark energy. So it was a slow process. I began with the idea of we've got these scalar fields. Let's just see whether or not we can have them so that they're not dominating the universe early on, but dominating later on. And I asked, I was asking myself the question, what would I have to do for that to occur? And that then led me to kind of build up.


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[Assistant] It's in, it's all in the potential energy for, for, for, for, if you want the details, what sort of potentials would happen and then having established that it could do then say, what would be the observational consequences? Could we see that?


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[Assistant] Always seem to be very close to the buffers anyway, that so that you're moving a parameter of the model, changing some variable so that it can fit, but you find that by doing it, it's then leading your, your.


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[Assistant] I'd agree with you up to the point of me saying you've found out how the universe works. It's always a model that you're dealing with. What you'd then be trying to do is understand. So what you would then do with say that type of, you'd say, what are the characteristics of this model that allowed it to work? Can I embed that in a, what you would hope is a more.


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[Assistant] Fundamental theory, like a string theory, which is, you know, or a.


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[Assistant] Another theory of quantum gravity. That's where I would go. That's where I do go. I then try and say, given that, does it fit in?


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[Assistant] Turning a dial, it's exactly that. This is what they're doing, for example, in, you may have heard, when they're searching for the axion as a dark matter particle, they're literally turning a dial. In their case, it's a dial which can tune into different frequencies. But what they're effectively testing is a different


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[Assistant] No, they'd say it's, I mean, it's Charles play for a proper mathematician, right? I have tried reading proper mathematics papers, you know, and I can't read them.


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[Assistant] No, I'm, I'm, I'm doing the, the mathematics I'm doing is, is, is, is good, I think. I mean, I hope it's good. I'm solving.


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[Assistant] Some schemes which allow you to figure out what's the main contribution to something. These are quite complicated mathematics and well known techniques.


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[Assistant] We've just, we've just been doing interviews and that was the question that we asked actually. How do you decide on what project to work on? That was the question we asked. And it's really hard. I was, as we were asking, I'm thinking, what do I do? I think it's a combination of things. Sometimes, like I said, when I went to Imperial and uhm,


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[Assistant] I got talking to Neil and Tom and I just got bowled over by this idea. At the time, as it happens with the cosmic strings, they were


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[Assistant] It really looked like they could be telling us something about the distribution of large scale structure. And yet there was so little known about their dynamics. And so I think what deep down, I think that's just made me realise. I think deep down, I like to see an equation that I can solve. I love maths. I love solving equations.


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[Assistant] And I like to be able to hang the maths onto some physics, but I love to see what the actual underlying equations are. And if I like the look of it, I will often just go for it. It doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to try and solve what the, how the universe is behaving at the moment. I just love solving.


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[Assistant] So I think, I think the beauty of the maths often grabs me. That certainly did with things like the strings and it has done with all the early universe things I do.


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[Assistant] It's not usually the case that, um, I hear of an observation and I think I want to explain the observation. I don't work like that.


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[Assistant] Or as foolhardy perhaps, uh, to sort of say, right, I'm clearly going to have to totally rethink this and just, let's just try this total new thing. No, I tend to stick more closely to the areas that I've been working and I've been working here long, long enough now that there's quite a few of those areas. There's always interesting things to think about and, and given


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[Assistant] I think it's true. I'm not, I'm just thinking on my feet, on my sitting here right now, wondering about it. I think it really is the, the elegance of the equations that, that, that grabbed me. I love to solve an equation.


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[Assistant] One of the beauties of being a lecturer.


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[Assistant] Is you have to do other things. You've no choice. And I love teaching. I love communicating science.


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[Assistant] And I do it in teaching as well. I, I, I do silly things in the teaching, you know, in lockdown where we all, everyone's had to, had to go and do videos. Well, I brought teddies into my videos. So there was an audience there and I talked to the teddies and...


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[Assistant] And that worked, we just had graduation a few weeks ago here and the number of students that came up and said how much they enjoyed that interaction that I was having with Teddys.


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[Assistant] It was a mechanics course for the final lecture. I brought them all in. And so I set up like a little lecture theatre and they were all there.


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[Assistant] No, but I'd make use of them to actually bring across a point. I'd turn to them and say, what was that? Is the Hamiltonian conserved in this system? That's a good point. And so it would just, you know, it was a way of breaking. It relates to you.


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[Assistant] I have entered the period where I think I want to enjoy it. What I'm doing I really want to enjoy. And so it hasn't gone that way where I feel I need to do more and more and more. But I have thought


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do, I do. I've often wondered what would have happened, and I fear I wouldn't have been good enough. I don't know, of course I don't know, and I know that I work very hard, so I, I...


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[Assistant] In roads, I have a feeling that if I had decided, you know, I'd have been doing prime numbers. It's not, that was the only thing I really cared about.


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[Assistant] I have a feeling I would have been someone


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[Assistant] You know, maths has played a big role in my life and, and, and,


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[Assistant] In, in, in ways which I wasn't expecting. So around 2009, um, my dad, well, early 2000s, my mom sadly got Alzheimer's and she had to live with Alzheimer's and passed away in 2013. But my dad was looking after my mom until about 2009 when he himself was feeling unwell. And then.


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[Assistant] It turned out he, because he was a builder, he was, and he'd worked all of his life on building sites. He'd, in the 1950s and 60s, asbestos was used all the time. He was cutting up asbestos. He was sweeping it up, particularly in sweeping up at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] It turned out he'd gotten a thing called mesothelioma, which is a very, very nasty cancer of the, of the lining of the lungs. He stayed with us at home for the last six months and in 2009, and then my mum was in a care home and, uh,


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[Assistant] She's at high school, yes. So this is the degree, these are the exams you do, which if you pass these exams you're going to university.


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[Assistant] They're a huge deal. And uhm, so she was doing maths as, and further maths it's called, so two maths courses. And something really weird started happening to me. I began to feel...


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[Assistant] pain in my, in my lungs and it was the precise spot where my dad said he had been receiving this pain and it is the most bizarre


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[Assistant] This is a mental thing that you're going through because you're thinking, this can't be right. This is, there's nothing wrong with me. I'm absolutely fine. But of course I'm thinking back to my dad because we lived with it and this, this huge problem and the pain that he was having.


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[Assistant] And I'm feeling it and I'm moving thinking it'll go and, and I'd move and it'll go, but then I'd feel it again. And so eventually it had quite an impact on me. I found myself unable to concentrate and I'd come to work. It was, I'd be coming to work and I wouldn't be able to concentrate.


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[Assistant] I mean, I wasn't in that. Sort of tutoring her and helping her with her. But the level of tutoring, I went through every maths problem. She didn't want them. She'd done them. She was very smart. She ended up at Cambridge. She got straight A-stars. She didn't need me. I needed her and that maths. You know, I was, I was doing them and,


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[Assistant] I ended up, whilst I was doing this, sort of eventually I was telling, I told, you know, Natalie, my wife, who you know.


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[Assistant] This is 2012, it's the Olympic year. Okay, so I went to the, so that's relevant. I went to the hospital and did an x-ray and then I'm putting my shirt back on and they said, uhm, would you just come back in? And you know, I'm going, oh my God, they've seen something and they just want to, and they said, you've got really long lungs.


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[Assistant] That's what it turned out to be. Yeah. They hadn't, they genuinely hadn't got it all. Yeah. And, but I didn't believe that. Right. In my head. Yeah, yeah, of course. They'd seen it. Yeah. They'd definitely seen it. It was there and they were just homing in and, and then I went through the most bizarre sort of...


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[Assistant] So justification of, of timeline that I've ever done. I couldn't literally go back to the car because as I said, it was, it was the Olympic year. And if you remember in, during the Olympic year, the torch goes through the towns of, of the host country. Yes, the torch relay. And it happened to be Newark's today.


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[Assistant] And they'd shut the road off, which allowed me to go across to the car park. So I had to come out of the hospital and just wait. And I had to wait for an hour for this convoy to go where there were very happy people waiting for the torch with some local celebrity coming running along with the torch. And I'm going in my head, I'm going, okay.


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[Assistant] By the time I was released to go, I'd convinced myself, which must be totally wrong, that an hour had gone.


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[Assistant] But there, there had been this period of about, I'd say a week where I was just doing the maths. High school, high school maths. High school maths. And it was, it was a...


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[Assistant] I don't know if she realises that it was sort of a saving grace in the sense that it took my mind off this thing that doesn't exist.


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[Assistant] Actually I was pleasantly surprised about the maths course and in particular what's called the further maths course. The maths course does do complex numbers now and the further maths course does some really


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[Assistant] I mean, I did okay in the maths. It turned out I, uh, my A levels, I was clearly reasonably good and they put me forward for an extra exam called an S level, which at the time was beyond A level and very few people took it. And it's one of these where exams where I couldn't answer a single question completely.


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[Assistant] I got an A from it because I'd clearly, I mean, I love that paper. Even though I knew I couldn't answer it, the challenging of trying to do angle formulas and things was there, but there was no complex numbers in it because I didn't even know they existed. It was really strange.


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[Assistant] And smack them all around the ground. I mean, one of the, one of the great memories I've got of, uh, is the, is it the centenary test? Are you old enough to remember the centenary?


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[Assistant] I was under the blankets, I mean it was night time for me, and they were broadcasting on the radio.


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[Assistant] It was that innings that I thought I would have loved to have done that innings. And I went up to him actually. It was about, just about four years ago. I just saw him there and I thought,


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause we're going back. We decided, alright, let's pull the trigger, let's go back to Ark. And I'm going back.


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[Assistant] I did Ark for five years. Yeah. It was a long time, a long run. How big was your break? Uh, well, the entirety of Grounded. Sea of Thieves, Grounded, uh, Rust, and Gen Zero. Was it a couple years though? At least, yeah, it was a good last couple three, yeah.


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[Assistant] It's gonna look pretty. It is. We got new 4K monitors coming. Hell yeaah. Uh, this is gonna be the first official series fully in 4K. Look at us. Look at us.


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[Assistant] 2013 is here. But for this game you need the new computers to play it. Because our current ones would not run at 4k at anything you would want to watch.


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[Assistant] It was, yes, yeaah. It's been streamlined, there's less of having to spawn each individual item, so like one wall can be the wall, the door, the window, this, that, you know. It's much easier.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there was that community modded map, not mod, uh, community made map. That released for the game. Yeah, that's what.


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[Assistant] The island is different. We've never done the island. We did it for like three or four episodes. Early days, Vic edited those actually. Like he did that until you guys went to the center for a few and then I took over right then. So I've never actually done the island myself.


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[Assistant] I think that's where we left Ark off, is everyone kinda with a sour taste in their mouth because of Genesis 2.


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[Assistant] That's unfair. That map did suck. Yeaah. Now, mind you, I enjoyed the end of Genesis 2, but that's because I came in to edit the last few episodes and we just gave up on caring about the game. Right. And we did silly stuff like the Halo episode. Yeaah. And the D-Story Niebz episode. Right.


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[Assistant] I've been saying, if we make a slingshot, let's do a bit about the slingshot. You know, I think as we played Ark, a lot of times it came up, we've done it. We've done it. Why are we going to tame a raptor again? Why are we going to tame this again? But I think we reset.


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[Assistant] Let's do everything again and see what happens. Sure. It's fun. Let's focus on the little stuff, the little adventures. You know, that's fine. I wanna see how many raptors I can...


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[Assistant] It's a gimmick, it's fun though. You're doing it. I tamed dodos because it was fun for that reason. Why? I don't know, it's fun. I have 40 of them now.


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[Assistant] Maybe. I was gonna bring that up next. There are several mods that uhm, after you've seen that like add content to the maps. Yes. In a way. You know when you play Ark so many times you go behind a waterfall and there ain't nothing. Right. Nothing there. These mods will add little points of interest or things you can find and just flesh the world out a little bit. I mean.


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[Assistant] And that's why we defaulted to the artifacts as a thing to drive us, because it was a good way to do that, but other mods that might just add different dinosaurs or different abilities of a dinosaur. What if a crocodile spits fire now? React to that.


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[Assistant] Good luck, you know? I don't know if that's a thing, I'm just saying stuff like that. There'll be a new reaction each time.


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[Assistant] They don't know that the alligators can grow ten times their size.


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[Assistant] And bring fire. And fly. And then shrink. Right, that was really a mod. If it's a mod. That would be amazing if it was, but... Someone can...


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[Assistant] Let's do it. It'll be like, Pal World, Pokemon Battles. Sure. It'll be fun, huh? Yea, I'm a prize fighter.


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[Assistant] We have some ideas. I'm excited to get back, the game's pretty. Uhm, I haven't done Spectator in a while.


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[Assistant] Uh, which is where, you know, one of us breaks away on a camera. For Grounded, you guys did it yourselves. Gen Zero didn't have anything. Sea of Thieves didn't have anything, so it adds a bit of an artistic ability on my end to...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I also like edit it when I'm recording it.


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[Assistant] In a way. Like, I get the shot. Oh, they said that? Let me move. They said that? Let me move. It just, I missed that part, so.


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[Assistant] Jelly. That's fun. I'm going back. I was gonna go back for arc two. Where the hell's arc two?


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[Assistant] Technically, if anyone cares about the mythology and lore of Ark, technically the Ark series ended before Versus with you, Simon, uh, with Vin Diesel and that teaser. I added your hair to Vin Diesel and you're crashing into Ark 2.


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[Assistant] Yeah, after Ark ascended, it kinda really quelled a lot of... It's interesting.


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[Assistant] Watch, we're gonna start arc ascended and then it'll be out. Arc two drop. Arc two will drop and we'll just teleport. It's the hottest shit.


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[Assistant] As long as you guys don't know, fine. Spawnings might be a bit much, I kinda want the game's mods to do it randomly and just see what happens. But, who knows, I might. Keep it natural. I might spawn something, but you don't know.


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[Assistant] He got to go to LA before I ever did. It's been 10 years. Can I come on one of these trips? You have been on a trip. I've been with you. No, it's to San Francisco. Oh, you poor kid. To Los Angeles. Oh, not to LA. But no, I was out of the country. Not to LA. Yeah, all the times you've gone to LA and the amount of times you guys


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[Assistant] Remember when we were in LA? I'm like, nope, never did it. I'll get the next one. He was excited. I'm glad. Who'd he get to meet? Who was that?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah. Right. Anyways, I'm excited to get back to Ark. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's why I wanted to do it with Ark Ascended. Like, if we did 7 days in 4K, it's like, ehh. But Ark Ascended, it's one of those games that actually looks bad if you don't have the settings on Astra. I've turned it down to play it at home, and I'm just like, this is, ew. Doesn't do it justice, right? No, not at all. You might as well play the old one.


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[Assistant] You just see a baby, kill momma, take baby. You're just gonna have a house full of a hundred jerboas. Maybe. Yeah, whatever. Oh, I'm gonna get all the jerboas. It's gonna be straight weird. But the fun will be not the combat, it'll be you guys dickin' around in the arc world. That's always been my favorite part.


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[Assistant] Action scenes are fine, but I like when you guys are just sitting in a room yelling at each other.


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[Assistant] That's the best part. So, let's capture those moments. Okay. Yeah. Have some fun. Get back in there. Alright.


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[Assistant] And we're talking about what we're thinking for Darkness Fall Season 2. But before we jump right into that, I think, uh, I think Jack might be our best, uhm, camera, like, cinematic camera.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you, cause I've never done damn, I don't think I've ever tried to do spectator cam in darkness falls cause I'm playing, but you obviously you break from the cam.


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[Assistant] Anyway, back to the, uh, what we were going to, the title of this podcast.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because, I mean, we've got all the stuffs. We just, you know, I mean... Yeah, we've just unlocked laser weapons, but that's the thing, if we do a Season 2, I think we can get it quicker. Definitely.


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[Assistant] I feel more confident going into the wasteland. Yeaah. I feel a little bit more confident with the game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, hopefully we all do. Yeah. Start from scratch would be great, cause that game is really fun to start from scratch. It is, I love early, yeah, I love early Darkness Falls. And yeah, with that expanded POI.


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[Assistant] So, the new POI, is that kind of the only angle? Well, it'll be Alpha 21. Yeah, so all the Alpha 21s, all those new rules. Yeah, that's true. I think Kane's, I know like in vanilla Alpha 21 now, everything revolves around picking up books and learning that way.


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[Assistant] From what I understand, and I hope he's cool with me saying that Cain's tossed all of that out the window.


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[Assistant] And I just remember, and, uh, you know, Thick was with us and, uhm,


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[Assistant] We went into some store at night. It was just such a shit show. I remember hiding in a sewer. Oh yeah, no, the very beginning. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In the city, just getting demolished. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That was really something. Like hiding in sewers. It was a good first taste of uh, Darkness Falls, that's for sure. Yeaah. Yeaah. So Jack, had you


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[Assistant] That's what you need. You need friends. You need people to play with. Cause that's tough by yourself. I couldn't imagine doing that by myself. But uh, you love the game though still. Yea, definitely. It's one of those that just lasts.


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[Assistant] There's something. Man, the fact that we... I mean on top of these, you said 78 episodes?


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[Assistant] The amount of the other seasons we did. I wonder how many total episodes we've done in that damn game. I think we started in a few hundred.


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[Assistant] Uh, have you been watching the, um, the competition, the cul-de-sac at all?


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[Assistant] Yeah, third, some shit goes down, but uhm, I, uh, I was gonna address this because uhm, I've been adamant about raising the, uhm, the horde number.


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[Assistant] The amount, and uh, on this third episode that just dropped, an overwhelming amount of the comments were like, don't. Don't.


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[Assistant] So, I didn't expect that. Really? Yep.


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[Assistant] That they didn't want us to like raise it and, and, and some people are like, well, you guys are gonna pay for that.


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[Assistant] We talked about this in the next recording to have the zombies maxed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, as far as the horde. Which is probably, you know, and that's the thing too, like all we fought right now are your basic zombies. It's like wait till bomb guys show up, wait till vultures show up, and then spitters. It's gonna get crazy. It is. Like right now we're in easy mode because we're just dealing with your basic zombie that, you know, just runs and dies on spikes.


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[Assistant] We're all gonna be dits. Listen, you cannot spoil shit. They don't know anything. We are ahead of the game from what they've seen. That's right. Yeah. You say your sorry son. Sorry.


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[Assistant] You feel bad about yourself. Apologize. You're ashamed of yourself. Yeaah. No, that's been a fun, yeaah. I kinda hate, we didn't get to play this week cause yeaah, Neebs is on a vacay. Yeaah. And I hate it because I want nothing more than to jump in there and keep that going. Me too. I can't wait for my next day. Got work to do.


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[Assistant] I edited the first two episodes, he did the next two, and now we alternate every single one from here on.


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[Assistant] So, uh, yeah, it's been, it's been pretty dope. And speaking on the, since you're still here is like, I remember the one time I, um, I texted you both and I was like, hey,


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[Assistant] If you guys could talk to each other or see each other's angles, it's like, that'd be kind of cool. So, so I wouldn't have.


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[Assistant] They, they didn't know if they were like setting up the same almost practically same shot and now they don't because they can tell that someone's got it covered.


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[Assistant] It's like, hey, hey, you mind doing Spectator on this? It's pretty neat, like, and cutting those episodes has been a pleasure to have, uh, yeaah, those options. And it adds to the cinematic factor. I mean, that's the whole point.


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[Assistant] It's fun, it's like, I love seeing someone getting that immersed into it. Like, okay, yeaah, you know what, that's awesome. You're having a good time, and that's all I care about. We have a mutual friend, Simon, he's got the whole, like, the racing game set up.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, that's when you gotta like have that conversation, be like, girl. I saw his son playing Warzone and Battlefield, and his son's not old at all. Like, maybe four? I don't know, but like he's so much better than me.


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[Assistant] For sure. Like Simon in the beginning. Right. So it's like yea, if you don't, if you're not into it all the time. And if you're like a single dad and you got a kid and like, you know, obviously kids like video games I hear.


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[Assistant] Can I run around his cheddar? It's like, no, you can't. You can watch me run around, but if I give you the controller, you're gonna murder everybody. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] My, uh, my girl's sister up in New York, she's got a...


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[Assistant] Uh, little boy, uhm, how old is he now? Damn.


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[Assistant] Maybe a year and a half, two years, like whatever. No, maybe not quite two. Whatever. Young, and she was telling me about how, when he doesn't have, when the pad starts, in like the beginning of an iPad, you know. Oh, a tablet, a tablet. That's what people call them.


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[Assistant] And him crying to not have it, and then it's like, you know, it's the beginning of that, because that's not going anywhere.


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[Assistant] I get it. It keeps, it shuts them up for a little bit. But it's not good training. Could you imagine adult life and you've been trained that way and you're going on a date?


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[Assistant] You sit down at this restaurant and you pull out your pad, your tablet, and you start playing, and she's just watching you like, sorry baby, I got a candy gush.


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[Assistant] Jack, how are your parents with video games? Did they play growing up?


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[Assistant] Yes. Because I, you know, Ms. Pacman's, I don't know, the more polished,


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[Assistant] I guess. I don't know. Comparatively, I don't know that world, like, but uh. I've heard it, cause yea, Ms. Pac-Man I think is a sequel. Yea, yea.


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[Assistant] Champion lives in Wilmington. Really? Uhm, yeah, but I'm sure it's been beat since, but he was like a big...


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[Assistant] Cause there was like, when you watch The King of Kong, the one with Billy Mitchell and, and, uh, Homeboy or the other dude. Uhm, Steve Wiebe. Uh, I love that documentary. But uhm,


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[Assistant] They show that it was Life magazine. Time. I don't remember which one, but like in the eighties, like,


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[Assistant] Billy Mitchell was on the cover, there was like a bunch of these, you know, one of these particular covers, you know. They were, they were damn...


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[Assistant] Then, video game wise, because. Yeaah, because the whole competition for the high score, and I guess it still goes on today, but it's so much, uh, spread out now. Yeaah. Oh, for sure. How would you, like, Twin Galaxies was the entity that was gathering all that data for a long time, and that you can't now. Nobody, well, the games itself, and like, yeaah, you couldn't. So Jack, you're younger than us, what was your first game?


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[Assistant] Those are great games as a kid. They were. Perfect kid games too. For parents, like, uhm, replayability was big, getting those special pieces, the hidden ones, you know, you could play through it again to go for those entirely. They're great. And they were pretty tame, and they're actually funny.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine working in LEGO's licensing department? Good God.


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[Assistant] That's crazy, I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I looked it up, I was like, man, wasn't you know, cause when I was building, cause I got that Lego set, the uh, DeLorean for last Christmas. Yeah. Puttin' together, and it's just the thought, it's like, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like, can I buy stock in Lego? And I looked it up, nope. You cannot. Privately owned company. Oh shit. It's like, wow, that explains why they're so good. Wow. Uhm, I just saw someone post the, uhm, I'm sure it's been around for years, but the Home Alone house. As a Lego set. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, screw the little pieces of plastic.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah, that's what's in the Home Alone house. Just, if you wanna do a Home Alone 3, just litter the whole house with Legos. Yeah, oh shit. They're not cheap!


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[Assistant] What it must have taken to come up with that design and like, I guess, yeah, put it all into paper. Like, this is how you have to build it. Man, a ton of work went into this.


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[Assistant] It worked out so well for them. Yeaah, and they've done it with so many different, I guess, vehicles and ships. Yeaah, it's wild. Everything. Yeaah, going to any LEGO land is really something. Yeaah, but it takes somebody to figure that out. Like, how? Okay, I gotta build a DeLorean. What pieces do I need? How do I do it?


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[Assistant] That's the thing, yeaah, but they might be using AI over there to like, hey, help us come up with these LEGO builds. You have very particular AI for them, you know? Yeaah. Yeaah, that's interesting. Yeaah, good LEGO talk, guys. Yeaah, that worked out. Those were your jam. LEGO Star Wars, I assume, probably. Yeaah. So you're from Virginia? Maryland. Maryland, okay.


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[Assistant] Maryland. Maryland, okay. What brought you down to Wilmington?


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[Assistant] Everyone wants to be a director and I get it, but you know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Duke will keep it real and you're gonna learn like what it's like to work in lighting department and all that stuff. It's cheaper than university.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I gotta get back to him. Yeah, but, uh, yeah. Right, right, right. Yeah, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, it does sound big.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, total shift. Guess what I made for breakfast this morning.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's it. Take the bacon, chop it up a little bit, mix it in the pancake batter with syrup. I mean, of course, you just made like, I don't know, eight pieces of bacon. Crumble them all up. Gotcha.


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[Assistant] I mean, I think they should always be made with bacon. Yea? Kinda.


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[Assistant] It like, mimics kind of that potato, like, you know, you can, you can do a lot of shit with cauliflower, you can feel a little bit better about your pancake, it's half, half cauliflower.


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[Assistant] I mean, I love the hummus, but I want to feel better about myself, you know?


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[Assistant] I don't know, ranch on pizza to me is just like... I do that too.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's when the ranch comes in. I was just asking if you like that dude. I do, I do. He's made quite a career out of eating pizza in two minutes, three, two to five minute videos. Yeaah, it's really great.


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[Assistant] Specifically, he takes like one or two bites right off the bat, and then his third bite's always like sideways, he goes right at the crust. He does, doesn't he? It's been a minute. And then one to ten score with a point, uh, system as well. That's his whole stick.


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[Assistant] So I feel like that job for you would be like, it's right up your alley. It could work. I watched one the other day where uhm, they went in, he went into a place, it was northeast somewhere, uhm, came out with pizza, uh, tried, and, and he didn't particularly like this,


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[Assistant] Guess what kind of pizza you got, whatever. And the owner, I believe, kinda stalked him.


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[Assistant] No, don't eat that one. This one's gonna get the good review day. One thing I did really enjoy though is he, uhm, was doing, it wasn't pizza, but it was lobster rolls. And he had, he was at this one place that had, it was North, I think he was in Maine, and uhm, he had two lobster rolls, one was,


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[Assistant] A cold one. And I forget, cause states have like the way you do it in this state up there, you know what I mean? Like one is cold.


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[Assistant] So he was having this one states cold one and this one states warm one with just butter. You know what I mean? Took a bite of the cold one and stuff, chewing it and stuff like that and then he took a bite of the warm one and one of the first things he said was like, I don't know why


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[Assistant] You wouldn't have a warm lobster.


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[Assistant] Everyone's all about these main lobster rolls, and I'm like, yeah, good. Crabs got it. Crab rolls. Huh. I'd have a fucking shrimp roll. We gotta get on that. Shrimp rolls. Let's get the hell out of here and do that. Yeah, we gotta. We can start a new business.


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[Assistant] But we've got more to talk about, so we can't get on here. We do. Hold on, I'm glad that Jack's still here. Yeaah. It's kind of like we're forcing him. We keep addressing him. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] That's why I think it'd be like funny and like. Yes. Cause there's very particular missions and, right? Like, that'd be awesome.


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[Assistant] Practice my drone with, cause I wanna bring her out into the field, the live, uh, that live nation venue I live by and look down upon where I play with her.


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[Assistant] And that'd be a perfect setting for getting some good drone shots. That seems like something you could get into really easy just from doing spectator cams. I bet you'd rock a drone, wouldn't you? Yea, you'd probably kill it with a drone. I'd trust you with my drone. Have you not used one? I haven't. Oh really? They're fun. Yea, I would trust you with mine.


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[Assistant] Do you still fly yours on occasion? I haven't in a minute. Not even since I got to where I am. I know that downtown gets weird with uhm. I mean, that makes sense. Yeah. Drone, you know, you don't want a bunch of drones flying around downtown. I heard one going around our building just yesterday, actually. But uhm, yeah, tonight and obviously this will come out a week after.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I let you guys down. Jelly Roll's playing tonight.


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[Assistant] Pick up the phone, let me talk to this guy. Hey, how you doing? Yeah, hey, can you come work for me tonight? I mean, work?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna play a video game and he's gonna be a smart ass. It is work though. It's a little bit of work. He's coming to drink it. I wanna go to Jelly Roll and fuck off. He's gonna... Damn Jelly Roll.


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[Assistant] I wasn't gonna, I don't know enough, but I wasn't going to until I was driving to the office today and I went by, I was like, holy shit.


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[Assistant] He's got like a setup like his truck armada. So it's like, I love seeing the different stage setups and stuff like that. And there were so many buses and trucks. It's like, damn, Jelly Roll. Like it was like, um, comparable to like when Dave Matthews played there. Oh wow.


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[Assistant] That big of a set up. Yeah. So it made me incredibly intrigued.


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[Assistant] Okay. And I love that shit. I just love, uhm, I dunno. I'm gonna go too. Jack.


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[Assistant] I thought it would be fun, I didn't feel so bad about it. I thought it would be a fun, uh, was that Poppy again?


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[Assistant] I thought you liked Pop. Are you choking on your mutt? I thought Warzell would be fun to have around. And let's face it, he'd probably love to have an excuse to get out of the house.


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[Assistant] He's got a good point. I don't want to hang out with you, but I want you to work for me today. He was my sidekick on the solo stream I did, and what a shit show that was. No, but it was fun, but oh my god. That was eight years ago. I know.


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[Assistant] We'd start with an, it was, we showed camera, Jack, like we showed ourselves.


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[Assistant] We do a little improv schtick in the beginning of each stream.


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[Assistant] Dress up a little bit. Like I remember playing Oregon Trail with him and...


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[Assistant] At the beginning, I remember. Cause at the beginning of the stream and when we were starting all that. Yea, we were trying to figure out, yea, how do we want to add streaming into the wheelhouse of Niebz Gaming? Yea. And then yea, eventually just figure like, no, we should just do this one.


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[Assistant] It was in the, yeah, the early, the pioneer days of the streamers.


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[Assistant] Man, what a time. When was that exactly? I don't know, that's when Twitch really started blowing up.


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[Assistant] Yeah. No, and it's still fun. I look forward to Thursday nights. Yeah. Why are you coming over to me, you damn dog? Alright, I'll pet you.


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[Assistant] C'mere, I do have chicken wings, aww. Yeah, I think Poppy's gonna be delicious with some hot butter. Oh yeah, mmm.


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[Assistant] Well, uh, I have some second cousins who go by Newth, uh, but I figure you got only five letters in the name, you might as well use them all.


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[Assistant] Yep, exactly, and his father. I'd like to claim descent from King Canute. King Canute is, is buried in Winchester and, you know, famous for,


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[Assistant] So anyway, he figured maybe the connection with the Australian branch of the family, you know, but uh, no, it's most likely that my ancestors might have been serfs on land belonging to, to these, uh, this Danish royal line.


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[Assistant] Oh gosh, a freshman in English class in high school, and we had a young, I'm not supposed to say female teacher, I'm supposed to say woman teacher now for some reason, but anyway, she was


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[Assistant] But I also enjoyed it very much, and the thing I enjoyed most was English class.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I was detail-oriented and meanwhile not knowing it, the way my brain was deciding to structure itself turned out that later on it matched computers very well. So by the time I saw my first computer when I was 18 years old, it was an immediate rapport.


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[Assistant] I was always going to be a teacher. My father was a teacher and so I love explaining to other people what I thought was cool.


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[Assistant] Oh, that was, that was eighth grade. Okay. Yeah. So that was sort of indicative, I guess, of the kind of crazy person I was. Uh, there was a, there was a TV show, you have to remember this is, uh, 1950.


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[Assistant] And, and a guy who was very good at explaining science to kids. And it turned out that, you know, he went on and became nationally famous later, but he started out in Milwaukee and that year they decided to run a contest for kids to find out something to do.


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[Assistant] But the other thing that you could smell if you walk around downtown was chocolate. So the Ziegler Giant Bar was the sponsor of this TV show and they got this great idea saying, oh, let's see how many words can be made out of the letters in Ziegler's Giant Bar. And so I got, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.


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[Assistant] So, got a lot to work with there. And uhm, that fascinated me to realize that so many words could be made. And then the prize was going to be a television set. Not for me, but for the school. So we could have a television set in our classroom.


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[Assistant] But, uh, the thing is, I came up with 4500 words at the end, and I still have the typescript at home, and the judges had only took 2000 words, and so, uh,


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[Assistant] Well, I won the contest and I got my big day on TV and I looked back at it again not so long ago and I saw that I made a few mistakes, I missed a few things, but it was still kind of indicative of the kind of mindset that I have trying to be encyclopedic and


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[Assistant] I mean, we used to in class one time there was a special event, uh, I think it was, uh, what's his name, coming back from Korea in disgrace. Every once in a while there would be a program from the United Nations or some, some amazing thing. Now they were, they were starting to.


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[Assistant] It was starting to be possible to have television that would go, you know, across the country instead of just being local. But this was, this was early days, you know, eight years before the Beatles.


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[Assistant] I think I set the record. They were grading us.


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[Assistant] Well, they knew that I wanted to be a teacher eventually, so I, I mean, I had this idea that when I was in first grade, I wish I was a first grade teacher, I was thinking of being a first grade teacher, and then, you know, second grade, you can see the percussion, well, then finally I,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, so it was in the, uh, like October 1956. Still, there weren't that many computers in the world, but this particular computer was called the IBM 650, and it's the first mass-produced computer. It was the first time that there were more than a thousand made of any, of any particular kind of computer. And IBM had this great, uh,


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[Assistant] Print on the paper and you had to keep the paper apart because the ink took a while to dry and so on. But anyway, I ran a little print shop in downtown Milwaukee and did the typing and illustrations for a bunch of little things.


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[Assistant] The great thing was that the manual was very poor. If it had been a slick manual, I probably was, oh, that's only for professionals who have a special talent for this. But it turned out the manual was kind of dumb. I mean, the manual told how to solve some problem and I could see immediately that the guy who wrote the manual hadn't read page five because there was a


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[Assistant] better explanation of how to do this. And so anyway, I started to think then, well,


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[Assistant] You know, maybe I have a talent for this because, uh, because I can do something that's better than what's in the manual. And pretty soon I was allowed to stay with the machine all night and push all the buttons.


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[Assistant] Once I almost got electrocuted, for example, uh, on the console of the, of the 360, there are little


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[Assistant] Lights, I think they call them Nixie tubes, but anyway, they're tiny little lights about quarter inch in diameter. And, uh, that was our only way of reading out what's inside the machine. We could, we could say display what's in location 100 in lights or we would control it through a console light. One day I was.


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[Assistant] I was sitting there, I noticed that the glass was broken on one of the lights. And as a result, it wasn't lit up. I knew it should have been lit up.


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[Assistant] What a shock when I, when I touched that thing. I didn't. Oh, it's so stupid. I'm thinking if it's not, if it's not lighting up, it must, it must not have a current in it. Well, you know, that's, that's how digital I am instead of analog.


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[Assistant] But that's a great question because I really think that there were people who had the mind of a computer scientist. You go back a thousand years, you know, I can look at stuff and I can see that this guy, I feel a kinship to the style of thinking that people wrote down and vice versa. There are others who I think, I doubt if they would have.


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[Assistant] As saying, well, you have a city with a hundred people and two of them are going to be like me. And I hope they know it because, because their skill is needed by the rest of the world. And so I write my books for those two, but I don't try to convert the other 98.


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[Assistant] If you see what I mean. Okay, so, but that's why I think it's a great question. Otherwise, I, I don't know, I took aptitude tests in high school and I was high in, uhm, architect. And I was low in veterinarian.


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[Assistant] In high school, my teachers didn't know math, so I had a very good, extremely good physics teacher, but the math I was exposed to in high school was only mystifying. I did enjoy, I spent many hours rolling dice.


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[Assistant] Rooting for the red horse or something, but I was gathering data about how fast horses move if you roll dice and control their moves. And I kept it under my bed, these horses, and I would run it the next day. But I got to experience data, okay, when I was in high school.


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[Assistant] And the function x plus 2, if I draw it for all values of x, I get a straight line. And I learned that if you take x squared plus 2, you get a parabola, a nice curve. And I started playing with square roots. My dad had a calculator so I could


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[Assistant] And so I started playing with that. What if the number, what if the bass was, was not ten, but one tenth, and all the numbers go backwards? One hundred is .001. Okay.


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[Assistant] What if it's imaginary number, a complex number, and so I did it. There was something called the Science Talent Search. Those days it was called the Westinghouse Science Talent Search. Now it's called the Intel Science Talent Search, but there was a competition for high school students to submit science projects, and I submitted two projects in my senior year. One was, uh,


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[Assistant] We had labs as well. In our labs, uh, one of the worst cases, we had to measure the specific heat. Was it specific heat or specific gravity? Anyway, we had, we had to measure, measure something and my measurement was so bad that according to the formula in the book,


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[Assistant] I'm not a mathematician, I'm a lapsed mathematician now and the reason is, uh, computer science was invented about three years after I got my PhD in math and I became editor of journals in computer science and I started to write books about computer science and I was writing software


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[Assistant] Away from the kind of things that fit my own intuition and skills and getting further away and computer science was getting more and more appealing all the time and there was a need for it.


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[Assistant] It's easier for us because if we don't like one world, we can choose another one. I mean, for example, I knew astronomy would be very hard for me because I would live my whole lifetime without ever knowing if any of my theory was correct. I couldn't go off to the sun and


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[Assistant] I, I'd be burned up, uh, you know, if, if I got there. So I would be faced with uncertainty, but with math and computer science, since we're making up our own rules, we can completely surround it and get an, and get a total answer. So that was, uh,


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[Assistant] That was one thing, but math and computer science are also, although they're both man-made in this sense, not part of nature. The emphasis is quite different. For example, computer science rarely thinks about


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[Assistant] Excited by things that sell. I'm no good as a consultant as to what people are going to like or something like that. So, my own.


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[Assistant] Mathematicians have changed dramatically so that they now, these talks we just heard at the symposium, all of them are saying how much more computer science is coming into the mathematician's world. I find now that I subscribe to


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, the beauty of what they were doing at the time, but now we can, we can do it. So I, so I find that actually computer science, uh, has a, has a very rich history and I, I'm studying, uh,


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[Assistant] Sanskrit and all eight Arabic texts, uh, and finding lots of, uh, uh, lots of cool stuff there that the people would, would have been computer scientists.


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[Assistant] I did think that I did as an excuse to, because it was getting too hard to write, to write my books on computer science. They said, oh, Don, after you finish with typefaces, are you going to start looking at binding, you know, and, and so on. But no, uh, I mentioned that my job was running a print shop before I went to college and in,


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[Assistant] About typeface, type of things, and with the art of computer programming, it was the first, uh, really reference book on computer science, and computer science needed new


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[Assistant] A guy was introducing me to a talk, and only a mathematician would probably appreciate this, but anyway, he gives the following logical


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[Assistant] And mathematicians know that reversing quantifiers is a big deal. And so this was, as I say, this was to me the thing that makes me, made me, it's the most wonderful thing anybody ever could have said to me.


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[Assistant] Put anything in that I don't think is going to be interesting 50 years from now.


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[Assistant] There's a new technology coming out, a new kind of memory, and this is gonna be just the thing with the new memory. That used to work on tapes. We don't use tapes now, but...


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[Assistant] The topic I'm writing now, it started out as, as one chapter in 1962.


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[Assistant] A problem gets big. To me, a cometar explosion is what happens when the field gets big. The amount of things I had to put in my book was exploding.


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[Assistant] It's interesting enough that once I get going on it every day, I'm happy. But I do have to warm up.


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[Assistant] So for example, John Calvin wrote 80 volumes of commentaries on the Bible. I never looked at any of Calvin's work, but if I decided to, what did John Calvin say about Genesis 3.16? I chose 3.16 because it's the most famous


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[Assistant] I feel that that gothic not only exists but doesn't want


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[Assistant] I sometimes, uh, sometimes I have a feeling that I'm called to do things and, uh, but, but I don't have dreams or anything like that, you know, uh, and I know a lot of people


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[Assistant] Anyway, he's a very intelligent person and so on, but to me anyway, I don't claim to know or have proof of things, but I also don't believe that there are disproofs either. So for me...


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[Assistant] Was invented in computer science this year. I can always think of something five years ago.


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[Assistant] But I, I rarely think of something like that. But the thing is, after 10 years, the whole field has changed. And so it's not what's the greatest thing. It's that all kinds of stones have been added to the wall every year.


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[Assistant] I mean, to my surprise, Tchaikovsky hated his symphonies, you know, because he kept thinking of mistakes that he made. But I think my stuff is more valuable the more reliable it is, and so I'm happy to keep vetting it more.


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[Assistant] Right, so last week I had a conversation with Steven Wolfram about this and I decided to ask 20 questions and made up the questions as I was biking home in advance so I didn't want to build the questions based on what the answers were going to be. And I designed the questions so that they would bring out different


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[Assistant] Five of the answers, actually, uhm, by the, because it surprised me that it was able to


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[Assistant] Comment is what I s- I think they aren't telling peo- they're telling people that, that the way chat-


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[Assistant] I go through and polish my sparse drafts so that I can get them to look, to have the kind of rhythm, I mean, the, the sentences are not only grammatically correct, they have rhetoric, they have style, and it's, it's, it's something that only a talented wordsmith does, so that they have not


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[Assistant] But one of them is how to write haiku and other sonnets, other, other, other political forms. But, but they also, one of my questions was, give me a recipe that, that, that uses blueberries, granola, and wonton skin. And it came up with, with something that was perfectly in the style of recipe. It would say, you know, preheat the oven to 350 degrees.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Cancelled. Oh man. Why? Cancelled. It was just, it's- Wow.


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[Assistant] You know, I will say, I'll say cancelled for now. Tell us why. Well, I started researching and looking into the game and found out, uhm, when you're playing and you die, you respawn as a completely different character.


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[Assistant] That, I hate. Yeaah. It really ruins like the whole cinematic thing we try to do and what I like to do. Like, I like the characters to stay consistent throughout a series. Me too. This throws a wrench in that for me.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah. I can imagine a lot of the beginning. So, and we don't want to have to worry about not dying just cause like, oh god, if we die, your character's gonna change. And there are workarounds like, okay, if you die, just die again and keep dying until you get the character that you got to begin with. But from what I read, N-Night is working on a character creator or something where you can customize the character and boom, that's your character.


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[Assistant] I don't know how far away it is. This could be a year. This could be two years. I don't know.


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[Assistant] Again. It's a better title. We've already cancelled it. So it's cancelled. It's cancelled. Again. Yeah. Again. Again. Yeah. Maybe, uh, maybe they'll work on a better free cam too, cause man.


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[Assistant] You have that on your business card. Something to it. There's something to it. Well the biggest thing is like when you control the free camera you can't just like plug in an Xbox controller and control it or even like look around with a mouse. You have to click and drag. Which is really weird. The camera is insane.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, for sure, yeaah, now we, we are the 0001% that give a shit that the, the camera, the free cam in a game isn't working correctly. So we're the 1%. We are the 1%, the less than 1%.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we're like the Jeff Bezos of YouTube gaming. I was quite looking forward to that.


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[Assistant] Yes, so we're going to Subnautica, so we got kind of a gimmick that we think will work.


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[Assistant] Yes. That's the best. Yea, no, so we can get in, get shots, you know, yea, it's, it's poifit. It's poifit. Almost anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well we'll play for like, just an hour at the office. And then like, it's gone. Okay, alright cool.


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[Assistant] We don't really dive deep in the games. Sometimes. Yeah, it depends. Like if it's a game, I'm worried. Like if it's a series I'm doing, I'm diving as deep as I can.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not being able to have infinite jars, we can just refill your water. I don't miss the jars at all, I'll tell you that much. Yeah, I really don't either. It is kind of absurd though, you can't have one jar that you can just keep going to a ditch and filling it up with water and boiling it. Yeah. You know, cause it's a jar, it's water.


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[Assistant] I don't like that the game is now, a survival game has told me, Oh, do you have something that you can fill with water? Oh, and there's a pond? Well, tough shit. You gotta find it in a cabinet.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in Alpha 21, that's been my, uh, early game is, uhm, yeaah, uhm, uh, toilets and, uh, water coolers.


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[Assistant] Salted the shit, it's a salty beefsteak. I don't care if it's salty. Can we salt Niebz's finger? And it's dried, it's like, dried and salted, yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Domino's just seems like they take raw veggies and just slap it on there after it's cooked.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no. I got nothing. I got nothing. I'm done talking about food. I'm over it.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, no, that's country cooking, everything there, like you walk in and just get inundated with saline.


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[Assistant] It just, it took a while to get the food is all. She spilled, uh, she spilled your


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[Assistant] Surprise, we should just like have your computer monitors littered with sticky notes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my favorite thing Poppy does is when you go to the bathroom, Simon. Oh my god. She just splays out on the floor, like with her nose jammed to the crack of the door at the bottom. You're never coming out. You're trying to smell your poo, ever.


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[Assistant] That seems like worried that you're gonna disappear in there. It's so funny just the way she splayed out on the floor. You have to throw, you have to throw a pitcher up. It's unhealthy the way she feels about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I could. Just to see if you like it. You don't even know if you're going to like it, right?


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[Assistant] I miss it. No, well it's, it's weird how things kinda come back around cause like, you know, you pop into a Netflix or something like that. It's the equivalent of browsing a VHS store. It's true.


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[Assistant] When I was young, it's like, okay, there is so much garbage here. It's like walking down an aisle and seeing just...


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[Assistant] Shitty looking movie after shitty looking movie, and you're like, how in the world do all these even get made? Yeah. Like, same thing. Except now it's digital, and I can do it from my couch. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Because that's what, you know, that's what does suck about making a movie or anything. Especially if it's financed by someone else. Whoever it's financed by, they want to own it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, this is like, this could be a long one. Yeah. It's like, it's here. It's, it's one of these things. Like I feel like I've seen coming for a while, just like, okay, there's going to be a clash between streaming services.


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[Assistant] And the studios and then the content creators. Now throw some AI in there.


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[Assistant] I'm surprised there isn't something nowadays that, you know, exists like, and maybe this is something that they need to build, but new grounds back in the day.


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[Assistant] Had a great system where if you produced a cartoon or whatever and say like, all right, I'm making the cartoon, I'm the producer, but.


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[Assistant] I'm going to hire this background artist and I'm going to hire this animator. And so.


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[Assistant] You end up with like, six people on the project. Newgrounds had a system built in where like, when you uploaded the video and whatever money it received from ads, you could tell it, okay, this percentage goes to me, that percentage goes to that artist, that percentage goes to that artist.


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[Assistant] Which either tells me they're trying to keep that close to the chest so they can hoard as much money as they want to or their numbers are so bad that it'll scare all their shareholders away.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's gotta be one or the other. Like, otherwise why not just share it with the industry? Like, no, what numbers are you guys getting? Yeaah. It could be mediocre.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course, yeah. So really, we don't want to show our numbers because then yeah, we're going to look embarrassing. But yeah, it's going to be interesting. There's a little, the studios versus the streaming services versus the content creators.


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[Assistant] Content creators have been getting fucked. Yep. As they always do. We'll see where it goes.


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[Assistant] No, that's the thing, for content, man, there's a buffet of content nowadays.


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[Assistant] Honestly, just the initial creation of getting into the backend.


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[Assistant] Once you're in there, there's not much guidance on here's what you should do next.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna raise my hand here. The non-disclosure agreement, uh, ended on the 4th.


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[Assistant] This one captured me so much. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go give the first one another chance. It's probably not all that bad.


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[Assistant] So it had sugar, glucose syrup, the ammonium chloride, ammonia, and licorice, and then just coloring. And that's it. That's all it is. And why the hell?


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[Assistant] It might not be that difficult, but it was-


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[Assistant] And that's enough to annoy the shit out of you. You go, what? Right away? This isn't a problem for most people because they just do their angle.


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[Assistant] And I want to see, that's why, you know, it's, to me it's worth it, taking all those extra steps to see all the different angles and to, uh, to do the sound design. Because, you know, if you're playing the game, you want your voice to sound like you're in the room with the person too. But, uh, but yeah, cause like everyone had


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[Assistant] I'd like to be, it'd be cool if there were threats that you could fight. Like, smaller threats. Where you could have- You can buy a gun. Yeah? Yeah. Are there threats that they actually work against? Yeah, you'd hope. You'd hope that even the bigger things. If you could buy a gun, yeah.


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[Assistant] Would you wanna see that in like all the survival games we play? Like Seven Days or Ark or whatever?


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[Assistant] You're the only one that doesn't have a VR headset, but I just, I'm not that, I don't really care about that. What, VR? I mean, I would want to play VR in like 30 minute increments or maybe an hour. It takes that. But I wouldn't want to like, as much as we play seven days, I don't think I'd want to play on, in VR.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Anthony was on a VR workout for a long time. Yeah. He was like doing some sort of shooting game. He was crouching and duck walking and... Yeah. He was getting a good workout with it.


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[Assistant] Hey, I had a, I went into it a little weary. Yeaah. Uhm, cause, cause yeaah. A lot of times y'all say things are great, maybe they are, but not for me. We didn't know, we just heard. I didn't want to stop. I had a great time.


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[Assistant] If you're dead and you're watching your friend try to figure out if they should fly the ship away. What's going on here? Where are these people? They're like, well maybe they're not dead, I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] And you only get three days for those of you who hadn't played, to achieve your goal, and you've wasted one of them. Yea. You basically- I love that Daniel-


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[Assistant] It's funny how people, uh, look, I don't think I'm that bad at Arc.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't think you are. No, you're probably the best at ARC out of all of us. According to our community, I'm the worst ARC player that's ever walked on beside you guys. Right. That's walked the earth, yeaah. Yeaah. Cause I did like the solo thing on the dumpster. Yeaah. And some of the comments are like


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[Assistant] How does he not know anything? I'm like, anything? I don't know anything? I know I'm not the best. Right.


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[Assistant] What if they had camouflage stuff you could build? That'd be dope. Like you could build a rock around your house. Yeah, that'd be really cool. You could plant trees and make it- We'll build a rock? What do you mean? Like imagine there's a thing you could place.


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[Assistant] Conan, I was saying, well the hedges, yeah, Conan. But I was saying an arc would be cool if you could hide your bass a little better.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the whole bunch of trees. Ark has secret doors not only, where the wall spins. Yeah, yeah, secret wall door.


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[Assistant] I didn't like GTA in the beginning because I don't like the characters, like everybody's a criminal. Okay. So I have no character I can get behind, and I don't want to go out, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, cause I like Titanfall too, like campaigns like that.


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[Assistant] Mmhm, I see that. I get it. I played Battlefront 2, like the original one. Played that game through probably, I don't know, ten times. Okay. And halfway through, you become a bad guy.


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[Assistant] Okay. Yeaah. Who knows? We've got... God, how many videos do we have?


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[Assistant] Yeah, being able to hear the enemy. Yeah, being able to hear the enemy talk would be pretty cool. Yeah, enemies or people on your team that aren't in your squad. Yeah. Like blueberries. Can you hear the enemy on this? I don't know, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we found the ones, uh, cause Joe plays a lot of BattleBit. Yeah. So we're like, he's like, well these make sense in BattleBit. Right. You know? So why don't we do the ones that kind of relate to both games. Yeah. And then...


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[Assistant] And so when we started talking about, you know, I bet people on our channel would like these. We're like, do we do the shorts or, uh, do we string them together? String them together. I love the string. I think they look great together.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I think it works. That was meant to be! Yeah. The intro is great, but you get tired of it. After... Oh, for sure. If you're watching 17 episodes. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. String it all together.


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[Assistant] I made that up, I don't know if that's true. Well, that was something I was like, cause uh, Joe sent me the individual episodes and I pieced them together and I'm like, which order? So actually, they're not in, you know, order in which they were made.


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[Assistant] I was trying to make them make sense a little bit. Cause like there's one where I reference, where Simon's like, hey, it's me. I'm like, who? Like I was like, oh, you were in my squad last, last episode. So I put the one word, you know, they're together before that. So that kind of rolled together. And there was like a tea bagging thing that kind of went to another tea bagging thing. So I don't know if it's the best, but I think it works pretty well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, it does have chapters on it, but sometimes they might not be the same name.


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[Assistant] So, but yeaah. Check out Duralis if you haven't watched it yet. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Ryan Gosling. Yeah, that's what I said! I know, but who'd I say? Jake Gyllenhaal?


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[Assistant] They didn't do an Andre 3000. I heard Andre did a flute album.


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[Assistant] Right next to it was an old storage place and you'd hear like bands out there just in their little storage room just


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[Assistant] Yeah, Screen Gems are sold to... screen something?


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[Assistant] Oh no, I just didn't know it was a shame. I don't know, it's just- I don't know. You're used to it being screen jams forever and you hate to see it go.


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[Assistant] I don't need that, not for a while. I think people might need less because of that technology, but you still want to build certain sets.


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[Assistant] Oh, the team version. Ooh, the team version. Talk about survival. Yo, surviving the course. We got Dora and myself.


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[Assistant] Lately yeaah, I'll take, I'll climb a plant, get somewhere real high and safe, turn into the net, fly the net over, then break the camera from the net.


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[Assistant] Okay, now I do remember playing for a second on a stream. Mm-hmm. Cause they got that guy. What's his name? Kelvin. Kelvin? And we won't have Kelvin. Right?


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[Assistant] Are you happy with what you get now? Yea, I got three completely done, they're great. Yea. And then, uh, yea. Alright, alright.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I took a break, uh, and then it might be out already. I don't know. Did you? We were here.


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[Assistant] No, it's, uh, once you learn it, yeaah, it's like riding a bike.


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[Assistant] No, I'm an astronaut. I've done a lot. Tons of it. So it's in our brain.


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[Assistant] Early days. I think we might have had like cornbread samurai was made maybe or...


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[Assistant] I don't think we have any eighties in our state. No seventies.


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[Assistant] And it's funny cause people that grew up there, they're over it.


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[Assistant] I've been to, I mean, it's probably been 15, 20 years since I've been there, but it was just one road with the Denny's and some like tourist stuff.


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[Assistant] It's like a, it's got that drop, was it 400 and some feet?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we drive that by that sometimes to go eat dinner, and I guess you've probably driven that way a lot. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah, it's a beautiful road.


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[Assistant] Hold on, you rent the yacht? Yeah. And they take you out for four hours? Yes.


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[Assistant] Remember we used to do those, uh, little party cruises out of Carolina Beach? Yeaah. They were cheap too. Those were cheap. Like $6 or something per hour. Party cruises.


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[Assistant] The first time I ever went to New Orleans was at the tail end of Gay Mardi Gras. So I was leading camping trips, so my group gets there, and they're like on their last day packing up, and I'm talking to the lady getting myself and all the passengers checked in.


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[Assistant] He was out on the, cause there's a post office downtown, nice to get like, postcards and stamps for.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll just talk about it a little bit, because I mean, I know Ark just dropped their new game, but I mean, out of everything I've played recently, I am the most excited about Inshrouded.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just based on that demo that was out a little while ago. But I still don't know when the game's coming out because they dropped that demo. Yeah, I think that demo lasted a week or something like that. And then now it's just like radio silence.


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[Assistant] Yes, yeaah, well that was kind of my first inkling of like, okay, this game's something special, because yeaah, you and I played it, what, for almost two hours one night.


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[Assistant] And I was like, I wanna keep playing. And then I ended up playing it more that weekend. And after that I was like, alright, sold. Wow. Sold.


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[Assistant] Nah, I was just, uh, the more I played it, the more I dug it. Um, I love since the world's voxel base, like you can take anything, like any land and cut into it and shape it how you want. So you could build like, you know, caves and mines if you want, like you can make your house, anything. It's just, it really has an insane.


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[Assistant] It's gonna have a crazy level of, you know, what you can build.


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[Assistant] A tomb, yeaah, and then you walk out on the world and you see the world in front of you. I was like, eh, it feels very Breath of the Wild. And then later on you craft a wingsuit or something you can kind of glide with. And there's uhm, later on there's like towers that are almost like little dungeons in and of themselves.


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[Assistant] And if you beat those dungeons, now you have a fast travel point that you can just always fast travel to the top of those towers and just wincing off of it to jump off. Like, oh, let's go explore over here, explore over there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the Zelda games are very similar. Uhm, there's climate kind of similar to Conan, but they also have like a glider. So every time you jump off a cliff, you can glide.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it made sense in Zelda because there was a lot of climbing and when you're climbing the stamina circles there to just let you, yeah, it was like slowly winding down. Yeah. So you can just kind of keep an eye on yourself. But yeah, it is a weird spot. It's like, yeah, why not top left corner?


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[Assistant] It works for every other game that way. I think they're only doing it in enshrouded because yea, like, Zelda, they're obviously clearly inspired by Zelda. For sure. And they're like, oh, let's do this too. It's like, no, you guys don't have to.


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[Assistant] And it's smooth, like the animation's smooth, the combat felt good and like responsive.


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[Assistant] Yeah, touch a couple things. I unlocked, I was like, okay, I'm going to go down the, you know, what, what was available, like the wizarding path. Cause like, you can go down the path of a warrior or an archer or a wizard, it seems like. And I was like, okay, I'm going to go down the wizard path. And I unlocked, instead of doing the normal dodge, um, you just like teleport. That was dope. That was my favorite thing I saw.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's like early updates. It's like, where are you going with this? What are the later updates?


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[Assistant] I didn't see much. What I could, uh, I just built like the basic clothing and then like leather clothing. I didn't get past that. But no, like, you know, no crazy like...


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[Assistant] I think there was colored hair, but it wasn't like you couldn't go like bright colors. It was like shades of brown to blonde and red, you know. Yea, Niebs is looking at some of our gameplay right now to figure out like, wait, what were we doing? You're looking at the customization options.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, some sort of paint. I mean they're uhm, I mean yeaah, they already got a great building system. The foundation for that looks really smooth. Yeaah, if they had the ability to color stuff, it's like, ah, that's gonna be even crazier.


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[Assistant] And I like the story of it, it's very simple too, it's just like, okay, you know, this...


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[Assistant] Shroud has taken over the world or whatever. These areas of the world where you can't go to because there's this shroud or this mist. And so you gotta work to clear it out. Oh, that's enshrouded.