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[Assistant] shadowy figure. I was actually taking a piss and it was also real cause it was in my bathroom upstairs and when I woke up I actually needed to take a piss. Oh, so you didn't, you didn't piss the bed? No, I didn't, I didn't piss the bed. But what happened was I was like peeing and then all of a sudden I turn around and there's this sort of shadowy figure and then it like surges toward me and I remember actually turning and pissing on it. But then it slipped my throat and I woke up instantly and I was so like out of whack. I was like, whoa. That's crazy.


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[Assistant] Maybe the cultists or whatever play a bigger part in her desires and manipulation. Like what I'm sort of saying is I feel like they mean is sort of sphere.


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[Assistant] Doesn't really depend on a, like it's not contingent on a lot of things to happen. They just need to be mortals who fear something and then she can create nightmares and manipulating through fear or whatnot, but there's no lack sort of.


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[Assistant] You know, for example, we brought up Daegon, Daegon's kind of thing is like the revolution has to be a sort of thing and the mortals need to be pushed to do something or you know what I mean? Versus Vamina where it's just kind of.


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[Assistant] Or even like Moloch Bell is about domination. So to dominate is kind of like his fear is his sort of goal of things, but what they mean are just kind of...


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[Assistant] It's an interesting point that just about the memory, but like really you could also, um, argue that, I mean, it depends on your like philosophies about things, but generally, uh, dreams and sort of.


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[Assistant] Any sort of like nightmare or whatever is based upon memories of things you've seen remixed and rejumbled in a way in the same way that like, you know, there's no such thing as like a.


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[Assistant] Like a dream being synthesized memories. Yeah, aliens being bug eye and all that kind of stuff. It's like you've seen, someone's seen bugs and someone's remixed it into a sort of alien kind of thing. But what I'm saying is all of these nightmares and dreams and so on would somewhat probably seem contingent on like,


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[Assistant] So I wonder what access she has to the memories and if you do buy into the whole like dreamsleeve thing where all of the souls go into the dreamsleeve, maybe she does have some sort of like,


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[Assistant] Well, we can, we can explore it more, but it kind of, it kind of does become that a lot of them, whenever it regards a Daedra, they sort of like reduce it to just the most basic sort of goal. Like, oh, we've got to destroy something or take over something or like it kind of, you never really get like a more, like a deeper sort of, um,


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[Assistant] I think a lot of the time, like, look, it's at the end, they need to fill their MMO with quests, items, and so on in the same way, by the way, if you scroll down on the US wiki, the night haunt gloom spore sench believed to glow thanks to the influence of Vaymin as artifacts, but like,


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[Assistant] These kinds of like whack things that they just put in, it's cause they need more content, more stuff on the crown store, more quests, more stuff. So sometimes it kind of becomes, even if some is quality.


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[Assistant] You're just gonna have so much quantity that it's hard to quality control every single thing with jams into it.


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[Assistant] Anyway, but yeah, let's, let's uh, like we can use that as a preface for, for exploring this. So what I meant by that too is that like, you can take it with somewhat of a grain of salt and sort of like, you don't want to necessarily like expand the definition of every prince to everything for the sake of fitting in new quests and, and like,


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[Assistant] Vamina's, Vamina, maybe it is because like, you know, like we said, like these people are, have personalities and if the Breton noble is all excited,


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[Assistant] Like maybe it is just a person like, oh, my friend wants to, you know, my friend or lover really wants this thing. Okay, let's do it rather than necessarily like a.


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[Assistant] A, something that's necessitated by Vaymin or that she really needs. It's more so for his benefit because she likes it.


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[Assistant] So I think to remember too, a lot of the time, the way the gods can, and the Daedra can kind of work is like really they are, you know, you know, kids with a magnifying glass and ants. Like a lot of the things can be just trivial in the same way that, um, the whole story with the artist and the 16 accords of madness and the, and the, um,


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[Assistant] And the bet between, um, Sheogorath and Vayminar. It's just a trivia, like, let's have a game. Let's see who's better. Should we summerize that?


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[Assistant] Yes, so the whole thing was just like, let's have a game between the Daedric Princes, like, who's better? Basically, it's not a, there was no grand purpose to using these nightmares or something. And that's something you can kind of assume with, you know, Daedric, Daedra in general as,


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[Assistant] You know, they come from sort of Padme, the chaos, so they are more of a chaotic type of thing, like there's not necessarily some grand divine purpose to every one of their actions, and


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[Assistant] Especially so with Vamina when it's as random as like, you know, fear and nightmares and so on. It encapsulates such a broad thing. And it's almost like, what is her goal? Even if you want to go with the idea that, oh, they want everyone to be scared and have nightmares, then you want more warped things happening in the world. There's one way you can.


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[Assistant] I guess the crossover I would say kind of would be linked more to like the whole dementia sort of half of the sort of shagorath of things like, you know, paranoia, fear of things and so on. Obviously like, you know, the depression and all of that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, they're just, uh, just a bunch of con men. Like, they're coals, it's like, I don't think any of the truth thing really stands to ground. Like we said about the skull of corruption, I don't buy in the whole idea.


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[Assistant] No, I don't, I don't buy it, especially too when you kind of look at, um, for example, like if you want to talk about dreams and nightmares and so on, they're often, you could look at, you know, Dagoth Ur being the false dreamer and he is basically in the dreams like dreaming himself into reality kind of stuff. There's this kind of already, you know, through him a connotation of like, that's,


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[Assistant] False. Like him, like him being from there, like dreaming himself into reality is like not a, not a...


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[Assistant] It's not real. It's kind of what I'm saying is like the dreams are fake. They're not real. They're not Mundus. They're not the real thing. So this whole idea that like all these, oh, in Vamina's realm and all of her dreams and nightmares, she's the truth and everything like that just seems really deluded in the same way that kind of,


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[Assistant] Yeah. I feel, yeah, I feel like it's, look, they're a cult anyway, like crazy cult kind of stuff. But at least other cults have some kind of like convincing truth in them.


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[Assistant] Wrote a video, uhm, a while back, there was like three Daedric Princes that need more love or whatever, and Vamina was most definitely one of them. There's not a lot that's explored, uhm, about it, about her really. Like, we, it's funny, she, she comes up a decent amount, but her, like,


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[Assistant] Depth, it's very like, shallow or, obscured.


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[Assistant] And obscured is only a critique that's, that will only be considered true if there is actually more we learn about because we're just assuming it's there. Like she could just be completely undercooked and there's nothing in the law there, but they need to flesh her out in some interesting sort of ways I think. There is a lot of potential, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, King that's in, um, in cahoots with Vamina, but basically using fear and nightmares and dreams and so on to actually control and oppression. So there's a reason for him to be there. There's other applications, but they can think of more interesting things.


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[Assistant] I kind of get, I get the vibe that it's there more like an obscure thing, like a side practice of magic in the same way, for example, that conjuration is to do with, you know, summoning from the plains of oblivion, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone who conjures from oblivion is related to, is in cahoots with a demon. You're liking this cahoots word today.


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[Assistant] Yeah, she's, she's in cahoots with a shadow man that cut my throat while I was pissing. I'm sure.


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[Assistant] The theme of starting as a prisoner seems like it's a staple for the Elder Scrolls that would be nice to keep running. But yea, as you said, you could have that while still allowing plenty of options for how you became that prisoner potentially.


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[Assistant] And some traits should be forced on you depending on what race you pick. I think, you know, bringing back physical differences, for example, with certain beast races or whatever and height, height being a thing would be nice. Yeah, passive abilities and stuff. And that would all fit well with the theme of the prisoner form.


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[Assistant] You know, if you pick your race, then you get a height bracket that you, you can go from a minimum to a maximum. But say you pick a high elf, your minimum height is still going to be taller than a Bosmer's maximum height or something like that. Yeah, well, that's what Ea- I like that stuff. Oldest girl's online.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so like some customization options being customizable, but within the reason of your particular choices.


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[Assistant] I also think it could be good to, more than just adding wrinkles to your face, actually have some elements tied into your age. Like for example, if you pick a very young character, perhaps you gain experience in whatever skill a little bit faster, but maybe you pick an old, like say you pick an old man.


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[Assistant] Uhm, maybe you have more options to pick kind of predetermined skills that you would have already had in your life. Like, just speaking for me personally, by the time Elder Scrolls 6 comes out, I'm gonna wanna roleplay an old man, you know, so it's realistic for me. Uhm, and it'd be cool to actually have some, like, why would you ever pick a wrinkled character?


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[Assistant] At the current moment, like there's, there's, there wouldn't ever be benefits, but it'd be interesting if there was. Just aesthetic, customization.


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[Assistant] I think there's a general rule with anything like that, that limitation really gets you more invested in certain choices you make. You know, if you can only fully devote yourself to one god.


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[Assistant] Um, then it's a lot more meaningful than being able to max out every god's favour, and then it just, it doesn't mean anything at that point.


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[Assistant] It's kind of a fundamental kind of conflict between people who want to play an RPG where it's the choices mean a lot, uhm, you get locked out of certain things as you take other things and then the decision that, you know, it's kind of, uhm, Bethesda have done this with Elder Scrolls over the recent releases that each time


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[Assistant] You're more capable of doing everything in one playthrough. You know, I've s- I probably sound like a broken record saying this, but it is often the case that


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[Assistant] I think it's a general rule with perks. It's much more satisfying if a perk enables you to play better as your class or role or whatever, as opposed to kind of making everything you do better. So for example, just using Skyrim's perks as an example.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. It livens up the gameplay, so it's not just the same old button presses, the same exact strategy to every situation, you can instead barrel through enemies.


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[Assistant] Speaking about Elder Scrolls, just to quickly say, Elder Scrolls, it doesn't have the best combat ever, it's not supposed to have the best combat ever, but if you have perks like this that just let you change it up, you can play a massive playthrough and have your gameplay evolve over your experience.


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[Assistant] Having summons that you can interact with as well, uh, would be cool.


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[Assistant] These are all just really good ways to intertwine the, the lore in, in your decisions and in your classes and in your role playing and your, in your religion. Um, you know, such, such good lore, which obviously we're all fans of here. So it'd be good to kind of weave it in with your role playing and character creation.


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[Assistant] It's Drew the Daedrologist taking it away with his Mehrunes Dagon t-shirt. With his red fist raised to the sky.


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[Assistant] Disturbed with Daedric Crescent on an album cover.


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[Assistant] He's, uh, caused them and he will keep causing them trouble because he's so popular in our world.


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[Assistant] You know, it's like a, it's like some deep connection there, but he's going to cause them a lot of problems.


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[Assistant] And they're going to see him as a prince of annihilation and destruction, and he's going to be terrifying. But the cool thing about him, at least to us, because we're not subject to all of his, uh, destructive tendencies, is that he's also a Daedric prince of ambition and change and revolution.


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[Assistant] So that the old can be taken down and the new can kind of, you know, come into being.


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[Assistant] Although I feel like saying he's chaotic neutral is a little bit, I don't know, nice. I mean, I, I know what you mean as the concept, but it's like you could cause change and like revolution in a more, in a lesser, torturous, fiery and painful way. Yeah, but like hellish landscape.


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[Assistant] No, I, I more just mean like you could have like some more, um, I don't know, it would be more boring, but a more dis- a more boring prince of revolution that kind of just like, I don't know, sprinkles in little subterfuge or like, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, we can get all into the Magnegeist story and League and, um, him being a Daedric Prince of Hope.


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[Assistant] That makes him sound a lot nicer, doesn't it? I'm a Daedric Prince of Hope.


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[Assistant] Because a lot of other people, so I was just gonna say a lot of other people would just interpret him as another Daedra that, you know, was there when the world was created and didn't put his power into it, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I don't think that Mehrunes Dagon would want to say he was created by the Magnege, either, if it wasn't true. Like, it's not exactly like, uh, like, you know, if you wanted to position yourself as powerful, you'd say, I'm the oldest Daedra, I've always been around, I'm so strong, look at me.


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[Assistant] So, to be like, oh, I was actually created by Magnege, it just sounds like a, I dunno, weird thing to lie about in the realm of, uh, you know, divine entities.


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[Assistant] Are you Mehrunes Dagon? Playing Skyrim back in the day, you make your character, you get to level 37, you pick one wrong perk, you're not happy, restart.


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[Assistant] You could say that about so many events that are, you know, large, but had no intention of changing the world, but they did. But then that doesn't mean that everything in terms of like a butterfly effect, it's like, yes, everything flows on from there. But in terms of.


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[Assistant] You can't just give credit to every single event from them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I guess initially, until the Thalmor just capitalized and swept through and now they're taking over a whole lot and I really hope we get to find out in Elder Scrolls 6 what happens with Thalmor. Gosh.


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[Assistant] But then I guess, I guess then he doesn't want to win. I mean, he does, but he doesn't in the way that if he did win, then wouldn't he just be another Daedric Prince of domination like Moolag Baal and he's like, I won. It's mine. I own Tamriel. Then what?


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[Assistant] I think it's more a case of there's protagonist magic that keeps beating him back. No no, what I'm saying is, but if he did win, then his entire sphere is kind of like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it gets really metaphysical, like the more worship they get, the more powerful they get, but the more players kill them in Elder Scrolls Online, the more they're weakened permanently.


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[Assistant] It would feel silly, it would invalidate everything so far, like when you speak, I mean, I know this already happens, it already does happen for sure, but it would just feel even sillier when you talk to an NPC in Oblivion and they're like, the Oblivion crisis, nothing like this has ever happened before, kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Well it's the same thing with- I know it's the same with Molek Baal, but what I'm saying is that we-


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[Assistant] Like, so, I mean, you wouldn't. That's what I'm saying. You wouldn't. I wouldn't. Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that'd do it. That, that would be wrong. But, um, yeah, H-house Sotha was like, uh, a small insignificant one from my, um, understanding. The, the, the main thing he destroyed was the, like the, the town, right? Ald Sotha, which was like, uh, a settlement or.


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[Assistant] Old Sotha in Dun Maris was an ancient, yeah, ancient ruined settlement, but before it wasn't ancient and ruined, it was, uh, alive and then destroyed by Mehrunes Daegon.


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[Assistant] I think it's also like their will. I believe I, I remember reading something like, uh, testing their will to live and prosper. And he does literally represent that terrain of Morrowind in their theology, like the, you know, rocky, fiery, you know, not super hospitable.


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[Assistant] And you can, you can banish a Daedra, even, even Mehrunes Dagon if you know their, their nimic, right? Like I remember hearing, uhm, if anyone ever meets Mehrunes Dagon and you want to get rid of him,


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[Assistant] Or summon him perhaps with his full incantry name. It's, it's a really long, it's cause some, some people I think just have a protonymic and some have a neonymic and then others have both. And if you have both, then you need to say both of them, because if you just say one, it won't have any effects.


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[Assistant] Um, Meirin's one is like, like Keleger. Uh, that's actually all right, like Keleger. I think that's the first part. And the second part's really hard. And that's like, Keleho, Deve, Efe. Yeah. It's just silly.


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[Assistant] That's it, I can't say it. But if I had to save the world, I could definitely learn to say it.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Although you can kill him I think with just raw damage. Can you really? Yeah, like I remember shooting him so much and I'm pretty sure I used some crazy exploits to get some like 20,000 damage arrows and stuff. But I remember he actually melted.


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[Assistant] Like he full went, you know how like sometimes Bethesda, I mean, I had it happen in cyberpunk too, like exactly the same, but when a character kind of like melts and like their limbs just like start spaghettiing, like they're in space and like they kind of drift out.


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[Assistant] Basically I did that to Mehrunes Dagon, except he just went straight down.


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[Assistant] So he's kind of body fell and his head fell and it was like this big stretchy like lasagna just straight into the, yeah, into the floor. You need to try and recreate that cause I want you to record it. I'm sure, I'm sure it's on that. I'm sure it's on YouTube. Like there's no way I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm very certain someone else would have captured it.


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[Assistant] It's only because it was scribed in the deserts of rust and wounds.


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[Assistant] That would be a really creepy spiritual take, wouldn't it? It's like you, you know how everyone's spiritual is like, everyone's looking at external things. Really, you have to go within. And then there's him with his blade, like cutting open himself. That's dark. He's actually going in.


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[Assistant] He's just the god of shaving, dude. Yeah, I was about to say that. We need one of those generic YouTube sponsors like Dollar Shave Club or something. Get that for this video.


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[Assistant] Here's a little theory to put a hole in everything. What if Razor fed just means like, Mehrunes Dagon is telling him this, like, as in like, fed from the Razor. Like Dagon being called the Razor.


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[Assistant] It's just boring. There's nowhere near as cool as a metaphysical razor that can be used to harness all these things. It also cut into barriers and go to different worlds and you know, it basically becomes the skeleton key, but a knife in a way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you can, you can completely see the massive art style change. I mean, everything in, in battle spy was super like sexual and like, you know, look at the Mazken. They'll just be walking and then when they like jump out with wings, they become naked and like.


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[Assistant] Gosh, it's crazy to think that that may actually be a thing one day.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause what you'd need to hit them like, like could be 50 times before you could guarantee that instant kill in, by which they're probably dead anyway.


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[Assistant] For sure. And I mean, you even look at his theme in general, it fits perfectly with his army. Like Dramora, they're a very war-like Daedra. They may have served other Daedra before, but typically they're very, you know, hierarchical and war-based and they have a lot of pride around their ability in combat.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, it all fits perfectly. I'm surprised he even had a book as one of his artifacts, but I'm very glad that he did. It's just his manifesto.


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[Assistant] Oh, I mean Shay Agorath appears as like a, a scumin cat, like a little...


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[Assistant] You gotta consider as well, a lot of the Mythic Dawn members were a bit more evil, in the sense that not all of them fully understood, like,


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[Assistant] What they were doing, you know, in its whole and the importance of everything like that. Like a lot of them were kind of just like used for mankind's cause. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you know, when they all ended up in his realm of paradise, which he created, Gaia Allata.


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[Assistant] A lot of them ended up tortured, didn't they, for eternity, and that was kind of like, oh, if you serve me, you'll get to live eternity in paradise, but that's not what they had in mind. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, I think it's believed commonly that Dagon created them and her scene just has one. With an H on it for her scene.


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[Assistant] I think, I think that could actually be a hold on. Um, yeah, just one of his titles given to him by the reach folk, the spear with five points is reflective of this.


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[Assistant] But for some reason, I always wondered if that was talking about, um, Dagon or her scene. No, it's definitely talking about him. Yeah. Okay. Cause he's got the five aspects. Yeah, that's right. Like our, is it our bag?


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[Assistant] I was gonna say he is brought up in the kind of Khajiit story at least, if you were to talk of his interactions with other Daedra, but they are more kind of like,


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[Assistant] That sounds weird, but origins in origin. Like, uhm.


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[Assistant] He has all these different stories, yea, like we know the Oblivion Crisis story, we know in Skyrim how his Razor was split into pieces and you recover it and probably kill Sylas for it.


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[Assistant] Instead of getting just a little bit of gold, it depends on your role playing. There's also that story though about the Chimera of Desolation, which is pretty cool.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he like creates this small realm of oblivion, but it's basically like this revenge trick against this, um, Conjurer called Chimea Gregan. I think that's the pronunciation.


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[Assistant] But uhm, basically one of his wishes or something was to be like, uhm, in his hometown with his friends and hearing their laughter or something like that.


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[Assistant] And then Dagon basically like just ripped the whole town into oblivion, killing everyone that he cared about. But then like you can still hear the laughter.


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[Assistant] Or maybe they're just getting everyone hyped for Oblivion Remastered revealed at E3 this year.


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[Assistant] I'd prefer all that effort to go into Elder Scrolls 6 or a new game, but I mean I wouldn't complain if that's what they released. I'd be like, cool, I'm definitely gonna play it.


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[Assistant] I don't think all the modders working on redoing that would be very happy, would they? Kind of throw their whole project into the wind.


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[Assistant] Right? So they put out Hammerfell Elder Scrolls 6 and then to get more Elder Scrolls Online attention, they do Hammerfell DLC. It's not cause they don't want to spoil it. It's just the same reason.


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[Assistant] Oh, they do it, they do it years later. And I guess if they have the Elder Scrolls Online fans already there who would pay for it, then it's a win for them. But yeah, totally agree. I would have zero desire to explore Hammerfell. But then again, then again, look at everyone excited to explore Skyrim in Elder Scrolls Online when they could just play Skyrim.


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[Assistant] We need to get Mehrunes Dagon to do some, uh, ambitious speeding up of this process.


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[Assistant] Oh no. Oh no. Well, I suppose there's some artifacts that we haven't really talked about too much, but uhm, I don't know how much detail we really need to go in about them. I mean, like, you kind of mentioned there's the Deadland Hammer.


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[Assistant] Which, um, you can use to summon iron atronachs, which is quite weird, but they, they don't look, in Elder Scrolls Online particularly, they look very much like magma atronachs. Like there's a fiery element to them. They don't look like iron robotic mechs or something. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Alright, thanks everyone for tuning in. Dagon has Scott in the Deadlands for eternity and we look forward to nerding out with you all again very soon.


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[Assistant] I think Molag Bal takes the cake. Well, people try to say, you know, like, and fair enough, you can't really apply morality to the Daedra. But when it comes to Molag Bal, it's really hard to find any ulterior motive. He's kinda just in it for the domination.


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[Assistant] You know she's kind of working on something, whereas Mola Baal said, yeah, no, I just want to enslave you.


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[Assistant] And he did it all to spite RK as well. You know, it's like, yea, he's a pretty dodgy fella.


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[Assistant] I think in a way we almost- this is gonna get a little bit deep, a little bit early on, but I think one of the reasons why he seems like a more boring prince is because with Lig, one of the adjacent places, which you could kind of consider to be a different kalpa in a way,


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[Assistant] He was supposedly the tyrant ruler of Lyc. He was, the dregs ruled everything, and he was the chief of the dreg. And in the current Kauper, the one that we know, I almost feel like he's lost a lot of his power, and now he's just hell-bent on


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[Assistant] He's hellbent on dominating people and dominating Tamriel to kind of reclaim that control he hasn't had.


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[Assistant] So I think that's why he's so one dimensional, is cause that's all he cares about.


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[Assistant] I mean, it would explain dreg society, how you've got, you know, like the classic quote, which is


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[Assistant] You know, the Mundus was once ruled over solely by the tyrant Dreg Kings, each to their own dominion, and border wars were fought between their slave oceans. They were akin to the time totems of old, yet evil and full of mockery and profane powers. No one that lived did so outside of the sufferance of the Dregs. So yeah, that sounds more like Belle.


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[Assistant] I'd say the only major difference is at least he's predictable, but is that a good thing when you're predictably gonna be enslaved? I dunno.


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[Assistant] I feel like he probably, you know, this is a bit of speculation, but wanted to mould the Aliens to be his next kind of like master dominator race.


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[Assistant] You know, all of this talk about how he's kind of wants to create his dominion on Mundus. And like, Coldharbour, as his realm of Coldharbour looks exactly like Tamriel if it was completely corrupt. Almost like League might have looked under his rule. You know, cause there's descriptions like...


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[Assistant] The sky is on fire, the ground is sludge but traversable. I see black and ruins all around me. That goes on for a bit and then it's like, I could hear Mori and Xenis weep at the images he saw and shiver at the sight of the Imperial Palace splattered with blood and excrement.


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[Assistant] It's like, ugh. That could have been the aliens with their slaves, you know, their slaves were painting the walls of the Imperial city.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm mixing it up. I almost thought it was moon shadow, but I'm not certain. That's, that's, no, I thought that too. Hold on.


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[Assistant] It's not destruction. You know, like Mehrun Stegul wants to tear things down, whereas Molek Baal wants them to stay, he just wants them to be awful. You know?


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[Assistant] You specifically provoke him and then drop the mace so that he can use it against you, right?


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[Assistant] I almost imagine the perfume is like, kind of like rotten fruit and like flowers that have started to wilt, as opposed to like, actually nice smelling perfume.


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[Assistant] Cause that's kind of, you know, natural corruption of the flesh. But it's pretty cool.


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[Assistant] I also think he's a bit more sinister looking that way. Like, Mehrunes Dagon being gigantic and all powerful makes a lot of sense for him tearing things down, whereas yeah. Yeah, I see the art you're talking about, which we'll make sure we put up, but he's very sinewy and, and


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[Assistant] Will the Khajiit, uhm, expand on it a bit with their interplay of Molag Bal, Meridia and Mehrunes Dagon, but you can imagine that with League, Molag Bal's running the show


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[Assistant] Meridia and, you know, the Magnege in general kind of needed to upset the balance because Molag Bal had too much power, so that's where Meiruddin Stegon comes into it. And in the Khajiit Pantheon, I'll try and find the quote, but Molag Bal and Meiruddin Stegon fight, you know, they're constantly at conflict, and then Molag Bal tries to use Meiruddin Stegon as a tool.


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[Assistant] So, you know, they, they obviously have a history, and I think that probably potentially originates from his domination of Lig. And it could be why he's kind of like, you know, he's dangerous, but he's not really doing that much. He had his plane meld, but other than that, he's like, oh yeah, make this one guy go crazy with anger.


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[Assistant] So if Moef is all about free will, you know, that's kind of what the Chima, that's why the Chima exists. So if Moleg Baal removes all, you know, the individualism, you are just a slave, that is all you are, then you fundamentally can't achieve.


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[Assistant] And one more thing about Meridia and Molek Baal. I almost imagine they have kind of like a very turbulent relationship. Like, almost, you know, because Meridia is called...


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[Assistant] Well that would also be potentially the illicit spectra that she consorted with if it's not Lorkhan.


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[Assistant] The exact Greek mythology now, but it's something like, like it comes out of Greek mythology where you almost have, on League you've got


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[Assistant] Molag who's like ruling the world as the kind of king of the dregs and maybe Meridia is his wife and then he scorns her and is focusing on dominating the world so then she retreats into the dark in the bowels of Ligg to create this monster to tear down her husband.


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[Assistant] And it's kind of like, you know, all this deceitful stuff going on. So those three are really intertwined.


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[Assistant] But yea, this is all speculation, I guess.


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[Assistant] It's like a slightly more manageable zivalai, right? Cause the zivalai are very, um, insubordinate. They don't really want to follow orders, but mixing it with the really like, like the strict rules that Dramora live by combining those two, you almost get like slightly more domesticated zivalai.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and obviously like the side of him, the really, the really dark side of him is like the ultimate form of corruption as well. You know, like what happened with LeMay and whatnot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he does very much embody that idea that the Daedra can't really create something unique, but they're very good at mimicking stuff from Mundus. Hmm.


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[Assistant] Well then doesn't he, doesn't Vivec return the carapace to the dregs who say they're going to, you know, seal it away or keep it from ever causing problems again and then I don't know whether they're corrupted by it but they end up unleashing it and it's like you can't, with anything related to Molag Bal, it's gonna be treacherous.


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[Assistant] One way to kind of, um, wrap that back to something we talked about earlier, you, you know, I know we're kind of writing it off as it doesn't really happen, but if you're gonna try and find a link between Molag Bal and Azura, it could be like with Vivek saying he swore never to call Molag Bal beautiful ever again, because if you feed Molag Bal's ego, his vanity,


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[Assistant] The syllable of royalty. That's, you know, that's what Prometh gets out of that situation, as well as getting Muatra.


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[Assistant] They're almost more like Daedric phenomenons, rather than actual artifacts. Things that happen during the plane meld.


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[Assistant] And it looks cool. It's one of the better looking Daedricard.


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[Assistant] Like even in cold harbor, I can't remember what they are, but in ESO there are certain little things you have to destroy that are like, essentially Sauron's eye, but blue. You know, there's a lot of, um, Mordor inspiration. Yeah.


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[Assistant] More like Baal's a bit insecure, isn't he? If he can't really take that, that's more like his vanity coming out. You know, you play a little harmless trick on him.


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[Assistant] You could, you could really just be like, any, any creature from their realm or something is just their, their children. I mean, with Malacath, I would consider every orc his child. If you wrote that, I wouldn't take it literally. Um, you know.


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[Assistant] Gonna have to enslave like 10,000 people for that one.


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[Assistant] Well to throw ESO a bone, Cold Harbour looks great. Like, wandering around Cold Harbour is awesome. And yea, all the corruptions, but does it look great? I think so.


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[Assistant] There's a degree of magic that will inevitably be removed by developing it in a game.


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[Assistant] I think, yeaah. But I mean, yeaah. I feel like Moonshadow would, uh, Azura's realm would be one of the most interesting to see because I guess the more complex the sphere of the prince, the more complex the realm should then be.


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[Assistant] It feels like you've got a doctor's diagnosis or something in Skyrim when you catch it, whereas it's very like fever dream in Oblivion.


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[Assistant] Because there's something about vampires as well that's, it's very up there mean as Ali, but also up Mo-like bowels in that it's not always practical. There are some things that vampires do that just seems completely unnecessary for the end goal.


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[Assistant] As if they're trying to be cruel and terrifying about it, like, you know, there are a multitude of Bosmeri vampire clans, but one example being the Telboth vampires who


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[Assistant] They seem to target a child in the family, get them alone, replace them in the family, but you'd think they'd just go home and, you know, well now I get to face an entire family when they're unsuspecting, but they kind of like,


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[Assistant] They get ingrained in the family, they almost develop an emotional connection with them. And then, murder them all.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess in a snake-like sense, right? But, I mean, one way to connect it back to Veamina as well is that, you know, it's generally considered a negative thing, but you can hear about how, like,


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[Assistant] Animals at least in the real world can kind of sense fear or like there's the idea that fear taints the blood or does something to, to physically change maybe the way it tastes and you can imagine vampires like developing an acquired taste for


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[Assistant] Fearful victims. Yeah. Uhm, which does play into-


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[Assistant] I mean, in the Molag Bal podcast recently, we did go over Lemay Balfeck's story, and that, you know, that is a pretty spooky tale of how that all happened, but I guess we don't really need to go into too much detail, except you can imagine, you know, all of Molag Bal's shenanigans aside, which shenanigans is an understatement,


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[Assistant] Um, imagine being the tribe that found Lemay and tried to heal her and realised that she wasn't gonna come back and you were gonna light her funeral pyre. You'd never heard of a vampire. You had no protections against it. And then this woman just returns from the dead and starts devouring your tribe. It would be the most horrifying thing imaginable.


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[Assistant] So they're a lot more interesting than simply just, oh, you know, iron and steel and just, you know, melting down these metals from the, uh, you know, when there's a bit of a story that you could maybe take as, um, gospel or you could just say, oh,


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[Assistant] It's the unreliable narrator, which I mean, you know, that's pretty spooky. People freak out a lot over what's canon, what's, what's reliable, what's unreliable. That might be the spookiest thing of all is when you bring up an out of lore text, people lose their minds.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's a million ways we can go with this, but simply the story of the night mother, you know, so if you, if you follow the night mother's truth, which talks about the Dunmer woman who was, cause night mother being a former title of the Moray Tongue.


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[Assistant] So when the Morag Tong assassinated Versa Duche, the last of the Akaviri potentates, and wrote


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[Assistant] They lost a bit of favour across Tamriel, and as they started to dwindle, their influence dwindled, Sifis and the Void hungered for souls, so he chose a Dunmeri woman, and I'll read a tiny bit of it here.


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[Assistant] Following the Potentate's assassination in Second Era 324, strife descended upon the Morag Tong, and the guild was all but eradicated in Cyrodiil and much of the Empire. It was shortly after these events that the Dunmer woman claimed to hear the voice of Sifis himself.


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[Assistant] The dreadlord, she claimed, was displeased. He was unhappy with the Morag Tong's lack of success. The void he told her was hungry for souls, and it was her destiny to set things right.


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[Assistant] So according to Dark Brotherhood legend, Sifis visited the nightmother in her bedchamber and begat her five children. Two years passed before the unthinkable happened. The dark elf woman followed through with the dreadlord's ultimate plan. One night she murdered her children and sent their souls straight to the void, straight to their father.


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[Assistant] That's a little messed up and she probably didn't come to that conclusion on her own without quite a lot of Syphus's influence.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's kind of, yea, it is another example of how, for some reason in Oblivion, some of these spookier moments stand out more, they're more vivid in your mind when you remember them, because Skyrim had its fair share of creepy quests, like there's Frostflow Lighthouse in the north, where a Redguard family bought this lighthouse, and they thought they could hear skeevers in the basement.


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[Assistant] But then it turns out as you explore it that there's a hole in the wall and there are Falmer living, living in a cavern beneath it and they steal away the family, hold them captive and there's, there's kind of the idea that they're feeding them to their chorus pet.


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[Assistant] And as you explore it, you see, you know, it's, it's pretty heavily implied that the mother kills herself with a dagger to avoid being eaten alive. And, you know, so when you hear the nords talking about how the Falmer are behind all their problems, like crop failure and stuff, I mean, it seems like they are behind some shenanigans.


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[Assistant] I mean we don't really think about Dramora as being particularly creepy, but I guess like if you were really living in Tamriel, there would be some creepiness about them.


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[Assistant] A book called A Tragedy in Black where this, this young apprentice conjurer summons a Dramora and finds out because he's just kind of naive that if you accept a gift from a Dramora, then you kind of free them of the binding of the conjuration. So the Dramora offers him a black soul gem, an empty black soul gem, and because the young wizard took it,


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[Assistant] That drumora was now free to soul trap the boy in that black soul gem and then goes on to do it to all, like implies that he's gonna go on and do it to his whole family, so it's like...


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[Assistant] Don't get into conjuration unless you're pretty well versed.


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[Assistant] Well, that's one thing they do really well, bringing it back to the Pale Lady, and there are multiple quests like this, but say you were just playing it and you don't care to read in-game texts. It would be a fun quest, delving into this ruin and then finding the Pale Lady at the bottom in a secluded glade.


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[Assistant] But if you actually read the journals, it kind of builds up the tension as you kind of discover that they're- they stumble across this.


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[Assistant] Weird creature in the, in the bowels of this ruin. And yeah, so it's like if you choose to take your time, then it can really build up the creepiness.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm talking about, like, yeah, like literally the Wraiths in The Witcher, where it's like, you know, they're often depicted as young, like once beautiful women, with like flower crowns and stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I mean, you know, all the cheese aside in the Shivering Isles, the Hill of Suicides, if, if you boil it down, it's really kind of depressing, you know, you got.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that is like rule number one, if you really boil it down to basic things, it's rule number one of horror films, is that really the second you know the identity of the killer, whatever, it's like it does take, does take the fear out of it.


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[Assistant] Honestly, my interpretation is that, uh, was that rather than them being some kind of potentially vampiric race or something different, it's actually likely a case that they have a very small gene pool, so to speak. Um, cause it almost seems like maybe, you know, like the developers obviously just went into character creation like


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[Assistant] Let's make these people look really messed up. Uhm, so yeaah, maybe they've just had a bit too much family love. Maybe, but uhm.


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[Assistant] I mean, one thing that's not quite so traditional, which, you know, you wouldn't really think of it with horror vibes at all, is the Sixth House, House Dagoth, and, you know, you've


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, I mean, even if you gloss over the kind of, the stuff we already know about how, you know, you've got this spreading of the Corpus and you've got the members of the house kind of ascending into these creatures with like, flute-like trunks and music, like they're very musical as a culture, but there's a very long-winded story called The Poison Song, which is


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[Assistant] It's about someone who has ancestry from the sixth house, but was born years and years and years later.


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[Assistant] You know, the Dunmer have this kind of ancestors are very important to you, but the idea that it's kind of always lingering in the back of your mind and can kind of take over is a little bit scary.


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[Assistant] Like, Spider Daedra don't scare you, they, you know, they evoke other feelings. Um, yeah, et cetera, et cetera.


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[Assistant] Well the idea that it used to be kind of like a barren area where you just couldn't grow anything and then some weird, uh, potentially Daedra worshipping inhabitants have somehow made it the most prosperous, um, region in the whole of Skyrim, you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, one thing that's like, doesn't really seem very scary, but if you imagine it from a...


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[Assistant] I won't, I'll knock it down. Uhm, but you know, from a child's perspective, you can almost imagine it in your own childhood, where you've got Nelkir in Dragon's Reach, who's got this entire palace to wander around.


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[Assistant] But it's kind of hidden behind all the sacks of grain and all of that. There's this weird old looking door covered in spider webs and it's almost like it sucks in the light around and Nelkir goes up to it, listens through the keyhole and the whispering lady tells him secrets.


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[Assistant] And having just Mafala chill at, you know, kind of like possessing a room of your house is like the kind of horror that you can imagine scaring the shit out of a child.


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[Assistant] He's too whimsical, he's, yeah, homeus mora, for sure. I think if Clavicus Vile didn't come off, if he wasn't so childlike in the way he deals with you, it could be a lot creepier, kind of like a gauntlet dim style, cause they have similar roles.


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[Assistant] Like the blood moon prophecy, you know, when all the hawkers wash up on the bloody shores.


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[Assistant] But it is confronting, it's confronting the potential of your lack of free will. It can be scary. It's like an existential crisis.


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[Assistant] It's a shame Australia doesn't celebrate it quite as much, I think, as the rest of the world. Doesn't feel like it anyway.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to Fudge Muppet. I'm Scott here with Michael and Drew as always. This is the Older Scrolls Podcast and today we are talking all about the centerpiece of Mundus. We are talking about


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[Assistant] Lorcan, the missing god, and his various other names, but which one of you guys would like to start us off with a little bit of a primer about this being?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's worth noting that like in the community, you'll find these terms Padamaic and Anuic and you'll often seen as a broad brush Padamaic referring to a favorable view of Lorcan.


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[Assistant] And, uh, Anuic being a unfavorable view and that those names derive from the original sort of Anu and Padme, the conflicting forces and Padme's derivative being Scythus and then further down you have Lorkhan and on the opposite side you have Anoyel.


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[Assistant] You know, it's their reality. They, they're thankful for their creators. And even if you look at Shazaar's song and so on, when Shazaar, which is the Lorkhan, uh, the name, the Syriadillic name for Lorkhan, they believe that Shazaar convinced the other gods how to, you know, look at the beauty we can create and, and they all got enthusiastic about the project.


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[Assistant] Whereas the elves believed that those gods, same gods, were tricked into making it and they lost their power and it's this one big devious trick. And there is some cool symbology and stuff there, you do see like in the Red Guards that


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[Assistant] You know, he's depicted as a snake and Shaw is actually depicted as a fox, which is, you know, typically like, you know, cunning fox and trickery and so on, but we can get into those. But I think one of the, like, we should probably stick to, I guess, some of the most core central.


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[Assistant] Facts that we know, um, and we can kind of talk about, uh, I guess convention and does someone else want to take it away? Drew, do you want to get in their own convention in the heart and so on?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's the heart of Lorcan that you'll, uh, find later on. Also just worth noting that, uh, you know, uh, where the heart of Lorcan's underneath the red mountain and the blood that it sort of pumps is, is the ebony because the ebony is actually a God's blood and some cool stuff.


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[Assistant] What is presented, like the convention even, that's the typical story of the monomyth that you sort of get. Uhm, but it is very much the Elven view of things, even the idea, like you'll get other more obscure religions, like, you know, even the Khajiit or the Reachman.


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[Assistant] Something to note there as well is that, I think it's in pretty much every single pantheon, he is recognized as a dead


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[Assistant] Well, another one of his names too, sort of, you know, the, the doom drum, and if you envision like you can, uh, the Elder Scrolls as a song, his reference as a sort of doom drum is like kind of like, you know, that bass beat of the whole world and you can't have the song without it, you know, so it's kind of like, it's got to stay there and he is essential.


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[Assistant] Well, to expand upon, I guess, the ultimate worldview and kind of like we talked about with like Thalmor Grand Plan.


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[Assistant] They would be very happy with completely undoing even what they are and becoming some sort of spirits in Aetherius. They see Lorkhan as the ultimate evil, so in a way you can kind of look at the Thalmor belief as kind of nihilistic. They want everything to be undone. They have no...


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[Assistant] Everything, it's, they're in flesh prisons. They don't want, want to be there at all. So they really.


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[Assistant] You know, even if he is essential, I feel like their, their main motive is, well, let's undo him completely. They don't have any sort of, uh, feelings.


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[Assistant] There's something, um, there's a little like, it's a little bit of conjecture on my part, but one thing that when they talk about elves, I feel like a lot of the elves sort of envision is like, yeah, I'm going to have my soul go to a theory. So it's going to be those great heaven place. But I think in a total undoing of that, you sort of, you can kind of undo all of the sort of conventional ideas of.


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[Assistant] Afterlife and everything, everything, even when you get into some of those weird ideas like the dream sling of souls, all of that becomes unbound. And if you actually, you know, I think it's even in the monomyth that it says that


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[Assistant] You know, the uhm, how the Elnife came about is that the certain


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[Assistant] As they were trapped in their powers, drained and invested in creation, they ended up eventually having to rely on, um, physical copulation to, to reproduce and so on and continually they had to rely on that. They couldn't just sort of.


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[Assistant] Spirit thing, like over soul kind of stuff, like it might be this big.


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[Assistant] Evangelion like returning to the liquid at the end or something, but it's kind of like I can imagine in a sort of unifying force in a way that if you hear, you know, anyone who's taken some DMT and they're like, you know, when we die, we're going to reconvene with the universe and like just reconvene with consciousness as a whole, like some kind of more abstract concept. But I feel like.


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[Assistant] What would happen is something more along like that because even the divisions of mortals of mortals of mortals of mortals and going down is a sort of construct that only exists because of Mundus, like something that only happened because of that.


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[Assistant] In a way to think about it though, to step out of the cycle on like a personal level would be like...


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[Assistant] Well, what I'm saying is that Lorcan has to die for the cycle to exist because he needs to be the heart of creation to start it. Like if Mundus doesn't die, like if he doesn't die, then he can't sustain Mundus. So his heart is, so every cycle.


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[Assistant] I don't think, I think it is to do with death, only that, well, it depends. If you go in, this can get really waxed, so should we probably like, anchor this back, but if you go into the stuff with the whole, um,


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[Assistant] Uh, all the amaranth and the scarab and all of this kind of stuff. But it's like, if you view like the top down, you've got all of the Anu, Padme, derivatives, derivatives down, right? The idea is this sort of interesting test is the Sijic Endeavor. When you're down here in, in mortality, you're actually going back up by,


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[Assistant] Seeking transcendence and shaking Kim and actually kind of...


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[Assistant] Getting outside the cycle by sort of seeing the godhead above Andrew Padomé, kind of, and then you can become the Scarab of the Aramanth or Amaranth or whatever and create the new world, the new godhead kind of thing. But it's, it's, that's how he kinda escapes the death. It gets a little...


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[Assistant] Look, a lot of this is abstract outside Kirkbride stuff as well, that you recombine in like, for example, like there might just be a word, amaranth, you see around, but then it's, that's all that's in the canon kind of thing, but you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we've talked about, we talked about the elves version of things, which kind of


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[Assistant] It does mesh well with the Nordic versions of things because they sort of believe in this idea of like the armies of elves and men against one another and which is ultimately the old Elnife and the wandering Elnife being the men, but we'll get to that. But to start with the, um, just to clarify that the,


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[Assistant] Traditional Elven sort of belief comes from the Aldmer, which is like, you know, the greatest ancestor elves carried on supposedly in its most pure form by the Ultima. And then there's ever slightly derivatives with some of the other Elven races, but except with the Dunmer, which we have a bit of a difference with, but on the side of men, I guess the,


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[Assistant] The root sort of, um, men perspective comes from Atmora. So even the, the Nidix, um, have some sort of.


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[Assistant] Various different versions of him, but the needs of, uh, Alicia's slave rebellion and some believe in elven gods. But, um, Shaw and what came across, came across with that more was sort of, you know, the idea of Shaw and the very, um, and his armies and very favorable view of men. So, so their idea is that, uh,


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[Assistant] So the creation happened and then there is Shor and the armies of Shor, uhm, which is like all the Nordic gods or Kain and Storn and so on, who literally fought the elven gods, Oriel, Trinimac and so on, and they had this massive war, but uhm,


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[Assistant] Oreo one, because Trinimax, Darf, and then Dora is hard and convention, um, happened, but, uh, we've kind of talked about this before is the idea that.


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[Assistant] Sure is. Loading up Sovngarde as god of the underworld now sort of loading up Sovngarde with soldiers to have a try again next time at the start of the Dawn era. Whether or not that's ever gonna be successful.


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[Assistant] Well, that's the thing too, like even Shazaar as a concept is a toned down version of the aggressive Shor, which is like a warlord and made like, you know, he's just sort of saying, oh, that he, you know, the undertaking of man is kind of his thing. It's very light version, but, um,


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[Assistant] I know, I know Drew likes the, um, likes the, you know, and there's been videos on the channel and stuff before about how Lorcan and, you know, Shizar is truly like the god of man, but to


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[Assistant] Uhm, go forth in this cosmopolitan way that sort of had to brush him under the rug and then they've changed things. But one thing we've also discussed is that, that just be, we know like history looking backwards, like from here, but we don't know at what point the sort of Shaza kept on sort of.


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[Assistant] Disappearing the history like it could have been much earlier or it could even be in the first era as late as Riemann or something until Riemann came about because then Riemann even was considered a cultural god at some point and he might have taken limelight away. And you know, people would say now that Talos is sort of like the new empire god, which.


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[Assistant] Especially, especially with the two heads, I wonder, and also being favorable of creation.


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[Assistant] Ultimately, what creation comes down to is the meeting of Anu and Padme, and then obviously their derivatives, more specifically Mundus and so on. But without both of those essential forces, you can't have it in a way, and both, uh, Shazaar, other name Lorkhan, or, uhm, Akatosh, other name Oriel,


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[Assistant] Uh, both derivatives of both those two essential forces. So when you create and make your.


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[Assistant] Uh, mythology is very, you know, has a good look on creation and so on, but, but yeah, it's a, it's an interesting, uh, uh, view of things, but, um,


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[Assistant] I reckon let's move to the Dunmer because while we're keeping things really early and not as abstract because the Khajiit


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[Assistant] They do a whole different thing and the Reachmen have got their own thing, but, and even the Red Guards have got their sort of own thing as well.


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[Assistant] So what's somewhat related is we can start off the, the Dunmer story all starts with, um, the Chimus Exodus, um, at the guidance of the Prophet Veloth who hears the words from Boethiah, but also Mephala and sort of Azura. And these are the three good Daedra that lead them away.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and there's various stories as, as to what exactly happens, but the gist of it is, is that Trinimac comes with his army of followers, and they try and stop the Prophet Veloth from leaving with his followers, the Velothi, uhm, who would later become, you know, the Kaima. Uhm, and then there's the things where it's like Boethiah,


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[Assistant] Stabbed him, or Mephala did it, or there was trickery involved, but one of the...


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[Assistant] The interesting things there too that I just happen to like, it's not necessarily super important, but how Boethiah, uhm, speaks almost like lovingly towards Lorkhan and sort of ex- or sort of calls out Trinimac for like spreading lies about him.


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[Assistant] Basically in sort of like, oh, I forgot what the exact, uh, phrasing of the quote is.


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[Assistant] But yea, so anyway, they're unsuccessful at stopping them, Trinomat gets eaten, you get Malacath, all that kind of stuff, but then the Chima go and leave to, uhm, to...


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[Assistant] Resdain, which then becomes Morrowind later, they get changed into the Dunmore and the Tribunal come about.


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[Assistant] Because of the heart of Lorkhan. But the central piece of their, uhm, mythology


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[Assistant] Is instead of having the best response to the Sundering being tears and sadness and so on, like Trinimac, they essentially believe that, that, you know, Lorcan's realm and trickery and this prison that they've been put in is the ultimate test. And the Sigic Endeavor is the path to enlightenment to, to ascend beyond it through like, you know, your personal challenge and, and such.


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[Assistant] Um, and I mean, in ways the tribunal kind of did that inadvertently in a way, but you know, um,


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[Assistant] And the scarab is a symbol of like, Lorcan also comes up. House Rhetorans thing is a symbol, and I'm pretty sure that's the Sixth House. It's related, um, sort of, uh, symbology there as well. But, um.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's pretty straightforward. We've talked at length about the, the Dunmer and the Sigic Endeavor and stuff before. Um, it's, but it's pretty straightforward and it's most boiled down essence. It is trying to more or less achieve Kim or some form of transcendence and ultimately Amaranth.


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[Assistant] So like, if you take the dark elf sort of like most basic thing from like Dungeons and Dragons and old stuff, like doom and gloomy kind of stuff and like suffering and they've kind of taken that in the Elder Scrolls and sort of changed it a little bit and sort of made it like a suffering for enlightenment kind of philosophy.


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[Assistant] But uhm, I guess we should maybe mention the Reachman next just because it's more brief and it is also very similar in the same way that they view creation as sort of


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[Assistant] Uh, a place to sort of suffer in it, like as a challenge to take care of. Their, their idea is that there is Namira, the spirit queen of the dark, the void. And then basically you have Lorc, who is, you know, Lorcan and he comes to.


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[Assistant] The lord of the flesh and the mortal realm, and he's far more important for the reachmen.


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[Assistant] At the start of this year that we've got on the channel that is about the sort of idea that Briarhearts are a Lorcanic.


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[Assistant] I mean, that's maybe what warps their form and so on. And if you, and if you sort of take that at face value, um, in that reenactment, you've got, you know, the Briar, the potential Briarheart being, um, like the Lorcan in the situation. And you've got the Hargraven being Namira and they, you know, ripping out his heart to create something new and that's, you know, the big powerful Briarheart.


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[Assistant] Actually, let's, let's, I was going to say maybe Kaji, but let, do you want, let's do Redguard. So we, we already, we've talked about basically,


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[Assistant] Um, sort of the core Anuic and Padamaic cultures are men and elves. And then you've got the variation of the dark elves, which is what would be what is just rare, which you would call Padamaic elves. Like elves usually don't have that. On the flip side for men, Red Guards have an Anuic view of things and they, they look at it as a big trick that happened.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to them, I feel like I've been dominating. Does anyone want to carry on with uhm,


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[Assistant] Yes, I'll just grab, I'll just grab the varieties of...


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[Assistant] I think there's parts in it there as well. I'll just read. So let's just read it, like word for verbatim. So Satak was the first serpent, the snake who came before and all the worlds to come rested in the glimmer of its scale. So that's referring to like the cycles of the kalpa. It's kind of Satak or Satkal is just essentially the.


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[Assistant] Singular embodiment of Anu and Padme in other mythologies.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but it was so big that there was nothing but, and uhm,


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[Assistant] Nothing but, and thus it was coiled around and around itself, and the worlds to come slid across each other, but had, uh, but none had room to breathe or even be, and so worlds called to something to save them, to let them out, but of course there was nothing outside the first serpent, so aid had to come from inside it. This was Akelle, the hungry stomach.


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[Assistant] Akelle made itself known, and Satak could only think about what it was, and it was the best hunger, so it ate and ate. Soon there was enough room to live in the worlds and things began. These things were new and they often made mistakes, for there was hardly time to practice being things before.


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[Assistant] So most things ended quickly or were not good or gave up on themselves. Some things were about to start, but they were eaten up as Satak got to that part of its body. This was a violent time.


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[Assistant] So pretty soon, Akelle caused Satak to bite its own heart, and that was the end. The hunger, though, refused to stop, even in death, and so the first serpent shed its skin to begin anew.


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[Assistant] As Satakal ate itself over and over, the stronger spirits learned to bypass the cycle by moving at strange angles. They called this process the Walkabout, a way of striding between the world skins.


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[Assistant] They haven't got the, there's not the negative perception at the moment. It's almost like a little middle ground, but their cycles are already happening.


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[Assistant] So multiple hungers from multiple skins. He was so hungry he could not think straight. Sometimes he would just eat the spirits he was supposed to help, but Torpapa would always reach in and take them back out. Finally, tired of helping Torpapa, Sep went out and gathered the rest of the old skins and balled them up, tricking spirits to help him, promising them that this was how you reach the new world, uh, by making one of the old.


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[Assistant] Just to dodge to the last part, it may as well because we're there and it does like, tie it up nicely, but pretty soon the spirits on the Skinball, aka the Mundus, have started to die because they were very far from the real world of Satacal and they found that it was too far to jump into the far shores now.


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[Assistant] The spirits that were left pleaded with Tallpapa to take them back, but Grimrúptga would not, and he told the spirits that they must learn new ways to follow the stars to the far shores now. If they could not, then they must live on through their children, which was not the same as before, aka, like, you know, procreation.


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[Assistant] And, uh, the hunger, which is also some people connect it to the adamantine tower. So at, you know, that's the one tower that exists at convention. That's tall poppers stick going bangers squashing him. That's nice. So the hunger fell out of steps, dead mouth and the only thing left of the end.


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[Assistant] Oh sorry, the hunger fell out of Sep's death and was the only thing left of the second, uhm, serpent and they referred-


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[Assistant] And so while the rest of the world was allowed to strive back to godhood, Sep could only slink around in a dead skin or swim about the sky a hungry void.


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[Assistant] The jealously tried to eat the stars, which is interesting, like connecting that to the serpent, um, star out of the star signs, which just doesn't have a particular month ordained to it. It just sort of goes through and appears when, so.


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[Assistant] It's actually interesting too because that concept of she or being, being, uh, born there as this, as sort of like,


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[Assistant] I was thinking before actually that it's interesting that...


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was thinking before that you can, you could potentially describe, uhm, Inuit versus Padmeic on the basis of the view of Lorkhan, but that's not necessarily true because it has to be mortality because it, for example, for the Bretons,


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[Assistant] She or is, is, well, he's almost seen as a different figure, so it's not exactly fair, but he is seen as a negative figure. However, they still kind of have the beliefs of, of, of men of being, you know, divinely created and all of that kind of stuff. They don't have this very return to ancestor. Then again, we might actually.


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[Assistant] Maybe there might be some more lore added later or something, or maybe back in the past they would have had more elven, like pre-empire conquests, they might have had a more elven.


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[Assistant] But like, the one thing uhm, what's interesting, it's funny, it's funny, it's like, Bretons have no culture, but like, the Dureni essentially erased, you know, eventually would erase their native Nidi culture and so on, but the human culture that they have came because of a colonialist empire that came in and sort of, you know, imperial cult flavoured everything.


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[Assistant] Somewhat, so it's just, I'm sure there is like, you know, lots of hidden places. That's something I hope they see, we see in Elder Scrolls 6 that lots of like hidden little gods and like micro-cultures that have somehow thrived.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it just comes down to the cult- I think it comes- I think it comes down to the culture and the fact that they also consider themselves for the large part that they're just men, like they don't really- they don't con- like-


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[Assistant] It's odd that they gave them, cause I know across, they had these, they had these really deep forehead creases, for example, and it's like, I feel that's what Skyrim's problem is, they, they gave a lot of the races, like these essential features you can't change, like Bretons need forehead creases, elves need these ridges here to do this, and it's kind of like, I don't know, I'd like a little bit more custody, like, do you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, cause High Rock's such a turbulent place politically, you can also imagine it is a similar deal culturally and then, you know, around the Reach, like ideas of, interesting actually, they might look upon the Reachmen, you know, obviously they do as, as beneath them and so on, and so they might look upon their sort of view of Lorcan.


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[Assistant] And stuff and they might further associate him negatively because, you know, they revere Lork as, you know, the creator of the world and everything. So they might like look at it. That would have helped their view of She-O maybe, like a negative view.


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[Assistant] Interesting point you pointed out there too, I don't know, it just clicked for me then.


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[Assistant] The Richmond, um, potentially having like a very straight line to their old religion, basically, but it's very Daedra influenced and I kind of wonder how many, um,


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[Assistant] How many Daedra were actually worshipped amongst Nidic populations? Might be different names, obviously not by the same understanding. Because remember, to clarify for everyone, Aedra Daedra is an elven definition. Aedra meaning our ancestors, Daedra meaning not our ancestors, and if you also consider that really, like,


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[Assistant] Men don't consider them their ancestors, they consider the gods, the aedra.


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[Assistant] They're creators. So even that doesn't really, while they still use the term as Adric, it's not used in its like, you know, truest, most, I guess, original definition by the races of, um, of man. So basically it can equalize the Daedra and Adrian are playing that they're just all old spirits to them, I guess.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so maybe there's some really cool stuff with, with the needs, um, early needy tribes and stuff. They might've had more of a mix like other cultures. Um, you know, especially because, um, you know, in the same way that the Dark Elves view the Daedra and very, but they're also saying quite pro-Lorcan and, and, but yeah, anyway, um, let-


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[Assistant] Well let's, let's hit Khajiit, then we'll do, address the sort of Lunalore Khan thing, and then we'll finish off with the Mythic Dawn commentaries kind of thing.


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[Assistant] I-I guess, would they fall more under the, uh, Inuit or Panamaic? It's very hard to, like, it's very-


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[Assistant] Cause they also, I mean, another, another big thing too with the Padmeic Anuak, which often happens is, um, you know, there's a tendency towards Aedra or Daedra on that kind of thing. Whereas, whereas the Khajiit really don't.


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[Assistant] Really acknowledge Adra Daedra at all, really. They kind of, they seem to see a lot of, uhm,


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure there's a reference that they refer to as several Daedra's ancestor spirits and so on, but so did the Dunmer as well. I actually like the ancestor Daedra and so on, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but uhm, I guess, do we want to address this, uh, Luna Lorcan stuff because it's, it's debated, isn't it? And I, I think from memory, I'm not a giant fan of the idea of the theory that the bodies of the,


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[Assistant] The moons are the bodies of Lorcan. Kind of especially since he, uh, isn't, uh,


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[Assistant] Because they also believe that the sort of, um, the dark moon is the den of Hulkan, the sort of behind Jojo, but so,


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[Assistant] And remember for everyone listening, like this, everything here is all a mythological take on Lorkhan. Like even the, the Elven story, which is often taken as the most sort of like dominant or popular one, I guess, that people generally talk about when they're talking about it. Cause I think it's mainly because it's.


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[Assistant] Very neat and cohesive, but a lot of the others, there's lots of contradictions that aren't necessarily less valid or anything like that. It's just what's the dominant, uhm, belief or what you see in most of the books.


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[Assistant] And so on. And so obviously, in sort of, you know, you can, like we sort of did with the moon theory, we don't really think it stacks up, or like you can go with Shior, like appearing after.


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[Assistant] Um, after Sarthal and so on, it's, you can kind of look at some versions of Lorkhan as, as more of a, like a caricature of, of a existence in mythology of like Shor or something. You know what I mean? But they, they change. And when, when gods change their cultural interpretation, often their history can change too. So yeah. Anyways, let's.


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[Assistant] It's the mortal misunderstanding or like not knowledge of oblivion realms and because they're so-


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[Assistant] You know, ecosystem like Mundus that's just sitting out there in the void.


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[Assistant] I think it's an interesting, um, take of it. I do still think that it's probably just because of the, him being Mencar Cameron and the Cameron usurper and, and using the Iliac, I don't know, Iliac specifically, it just makes me think of like, it's very like geographical and modern terminology. For sure. But, um, but yeah.


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[Assistant] I can't, I can't remember. What was his paradise? Not like sort of a place for the followers to like sort of exist while Mayor and Dagon screw shit up until it gets better.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe it's perhaps using Meirin, uh, maybe the whole concept behind Meirin's Dagon is because perhaps if you look at Lorkhan is, is doomed to fail as part of the cycle for the existence, perhaps, or like as part of the, is erping on maybe that Meirin's Dagon


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[Assistant] Kind of might succeed in the next run where he may fail and restore the sort of...


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[Assistant] I'm just trying to like, think about it, about the cycles and about the idea that, that Lorcan's death, or like, destruction or defeat or whatever, might be an essential part of the cycles. But, I'm on, like, maybe that's just purely a mythological view, but I just don't see how it exists without his,


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe it's just purely just because all of the mythology seem to say so. I guess even the, the Yakudan one is a little bit more abstract, but.


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[Assistant] Yakuuden One's the only one that I think that's outside of it because it sort of asserts that the cycles and worlds are kind of beginning before SEP's or Lorcan's involvement, so it's kind of, who makes an alternative world.


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[Assistant] The only reason I think maybe that I lean more towards that there is some sort of like,


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[Assistant] Endless cycle, uhm, is because of the whole path to Kim kind of stuff and all of that sort of purpose. The idea that if you just, you know, just remember the layers and Anupatami is here, but then the Godhead is here and you kind of want to get there.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's, it's wack, but you know what I mean, like, cause there's a lot of, I mean, we can kind of briefly, and we probably should, is just touch on Shazarin, so, so there's this idea that there are these.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's also the idea that, uh, that Hjalti Earlybeard and so on, and everyone, uh, Zur Anarchdis and, uh, Izmir Wulfarth were all Shevzareens.


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[Assistant] And they, together when their souls joined, became one.


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[Assistant] Yes, so Shezareen, Shezareen's avatar of, it comes from the word Shazaar as just an alternative name for Lorcan.


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[Assistant] There's not a lot to go on, but just, you know, the whole premise there of Alduin anyway is in Skyrim's storyline, they send him forward in time because


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[Assistant] Anything you can pull from that, maybe that previous cycles did sort of end much shorter already, that they generally were shorter, and uhm.


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[Assistant] The, the moments I think where there might be some interesting clarity is in Dragon Breaks, well not clarity, that's like the antithesis of a Dragon Break, but let's, but.


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[Assistant] In the moments with, uh, Izmir Wulfarth and Wulfarth's secret song and so on and going like, oh, don't you know what this, uh, really is or what war we're really fighting and so on. It's all hinting at a larger metaphysical thing in relation to Shor and what the purpose of the, uh,


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[Assistant] The rail means and all that kind of stuff. Um, but it's just interesting that dragon breaks would be the one time I guess in the cycle and the flow of time that there is sort of.


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[Assistant] A way to conceptualize outside of it. Does that make sense? Like for the characters it's just very like, cause, cause time's broken at that.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I think that maybe that needs to be a little more, uh, cooked up, but I do.


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[Assistant] That's up for debate, isn't it? Are they the people of Skyrim, or are they intruders from Atmora?


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[Assistant] Sorry, sorry, I derailed this immediately by making you pick a side on the, uh, on the war. But yeah, well that's the thing, because Children of the Skies is a good text to kind of introduce the Nords, because, you know, they believe they were exhaled on the world by their god Kain, who is the same as Kinara.


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[Assistant] Before you really get to know the Nords in Skyrim, they're a lot more mysterious and almost alien than just kind of...


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[Assistant] Northern Scandinavian, almost, uh, inspired humans. You know, you've got, first of all, them being, the idea of them being exhaled, they take quite literally in the sense that they believe they are eternal outsiders and invaders wherever they are, you know, anywhere they conquest, they have nothing in common, even with other humans.


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[Assistant] So it kind of goes against the idea that they were just Nidic settlers, just like, you know, the Bretons and the Nor-, uh, Bretons and the Imperials.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well Skyrim is like, you know, it makes total sense that Skyrim, the way we see it, isn't just a frozen wasteland because that's not the best for exploration and for an RPG, but you know, a description of them, I think it's also from Children of the Sky.


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[Assistant] Is saying, the further north you go into Skyrim, the more powerful and elemental the people become, and the less they require dwellings and shelters. Wind is fundamental to Skyrim and the Nords. Those that live in the far wastes always carry a wind with them. So, yea, the idea that breath and wind is, is essential to them. It's almost like they have some kind of magical connection to it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause it's easy to, after playing Skyrim, it's kind of easy to perceive the Fum as just being, like casting spells. It's just a tool to use, but before that, or in the lore at least, it's very much tied into their culture.


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[Assistant] Drastically changes a lot about them, you know, like the idea that they wouldn't use siege, they wouldn't develop siege engines because they can just stand in a, in a, in a V and just scream at the door and blow the gates down.


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[Assistant] Almost, you know, it's not really possible, but you could almost have it be retconned in a sense that Dragon was just potentially some kind of moniker used for...


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[Assistant] Although does it feel more gimmicky because we're 10 years on?


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause that's the thing, when obviously a lot of time has passed since then, but when the Divines first came into being, when Alicia kind of forged them basically from mixing elements of the Nordic Pantheon with the Elven Pantheon,


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[Assistant] The nords weren't really that interested in any of the elven elements and really only nords who were living in, you know, who were living closely to the, uh, to the empire would really have cared about even following the divines. There's no reason why they couldn't just keep their own totems.


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[Assistant] And just, you know, involving the Nordic gods in the divines was only really to benefit the humans who lived in Cyrodiil who didn't really like their elven oppressors.


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[Assistant] Because obviously the, the Yakudans and the Red Cards had some influence, like there were the Duraki Needs who were out in the West, and they


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[Assistant] They did fairly well, they weren't immediately subjugated by elves, but then if you go east, they're, eh, initially, I don't, I think this is fairly new lore, but there are hints at Needs having lived in Morrowind before, you know, before


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Nords conquered a bunch of it, except I don't think they fared quite as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was generally believed that the needs who became the Bretons were the best off of pretty much all the needs and they were, you know,


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[Assistant] Pretty well subjugated by the elves and were pretty much just used as, you know, breeding slaves for the most part. So, yeaah, without the nords turning the tables, the, uh, the era of elves, the Merefic era would probably never have ended.


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[Assistant] Goes to show how powerful the Nords were in that time. That, you know, the Dwemer and the Kaima, who were considered pretty, pretty strong, needed to team up despite all their problems just to stop the poxy humans coming over the mountains.


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[Assistant] Defensively, I feel like they would still be fairly untouchable because, you know, if the Nords had been left to go crazy in Morrowind, they would have conquered the surface perhaps, but I doubt they would have had much, um, luck dealing with the Dwemer if they wanted to get rid of them completely.


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[Assistant] Before we, I mean, we can get onto Joerg and we can call her in a second, but a good way to demonstrate exactly what you're saying, Mike, was to show that map of, uhm, how much territory...


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause the idea is that, uhm, you weren't supposed to be, you didn't want to go the way that Alduin went, where it was very much you use your power for your own benefit versus dealing with threats to your people and your life or whatever else.


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[Assistant] When it came, so using the, the voice for Conquest was kind of frowned upon by Kain, you know, at least according to Jörgen Winkel when he started his, uh, movement. Uhm.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, that definitely meant that their history was gonna become a lot less, uh, you know, eventful in terms of expansion.


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[Assistant] Was it specifically in response to one of the battles in Morrowind? Or the loss at Red Mountain that made him think, why are we failing? Why do tongues fail?


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause I think it's on one of the tablets that says like, uh, you know, he went to meditate for seven years to figure out why powerful, powerful tongues fail or something like that. Um, which yeah, I will have the quote in a second.


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[Assistant] Well, it, yeah, it was the idea that the Greybeards, obviously the followers of Jörg and Windcooler, wanted to keep it under wraps or keep it quiet. And then it's, it's actually kind of funny that if, if what you're getting at is Tiber Septim has kind of given the green light for


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[Assistant] For Nords to use the voice in, in an offensive way again, that almost sounds like the, uh, the influence of Walther. You know, through him.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so it's based on your midichlorian count, is how good you are with the voice.


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[Assistant] And obviously, somewhere like Falkreath has the connection to Kulakane and Hjalte Earlybeard, who essentially founded the third empire, so it's gonna be an important part. It's, you know, it's where they started, when they went on, when the Tiber Wars, before the Tiber Wars began, etc.


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[Assistant] And the basic takeaway of that is this is kind of the catalyst for Nordic disdain for elves, because, you know, for a little while they got along, then the Night of Tears happened where a bunch of needs got slaughtered, all but Isgrimor and his sons. They flee, or they head back to Atmora, come back with their companions, and then the snow elves regret


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[Assistant] What they did, because they all get wiped out. So, you know, that kind of sets the tone for the Nords for centuries after that.


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[Assistant] Well imagine having that attitude towards Morrowind, because Morrowind seems to embody all of those, but then again, you know, it was a long time ago, it was 2002, so. But yea, all of the things you think, ah, surely that wouldn't work out too well.


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[Assistant] Plus a big part of the fun is taking things that were quite clearly just developer mistakes or things that were just done by the devs completely without any thought and taking that and forging theories from it. And then some of them, I wouldn't be able to name one off the top of my head, but then some of them kind of becoming accepted canon and being used in future games. It's like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, part, part of the fun of this stuff and why we still do it, you know, why we still love it after all these years is because there's just so many ways you can interpret all of this lore and to just give it the most, to give everything the most basic explanation would be boring.


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[Assistant] I mean, contextually, it's very- it must be really weird if- if you live in a place where these, like, gremlin golem creatures hiding about.


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[Assistant] One thing as well is uhm, normally you'd make the argument that, you know, in how we see Whiterun in Skyrim,


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[Assistant] Your Vaska would have rotted thousands of years ago, but...


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[Assistant] Uhm, even in a real world context, if, if the climate's cold enough, and if Skyrim is like it used to be described, then a wooden structure can last, you know, theoretically it can last forever. You know, there's like, there's no reason it would rot if it's cold enough. Uhm, so, but you know, obviously the way Whiterun is a very sunny and


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[Assistant] Nice place a lot of the year, so you'd think it would rot, but yeah, as you said, it's kind of like, well, yeah, with all this stuff going on, we're not going to talk about what speed would rot at what temperature.


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[Assistant] You can see how it develops though, right? Cause it's like the idea of taking prisoners and then you've got Stendhal who's about like merciful forbearance. And you know, taking a prisoner rather than just executing all your enemies is in a way a form of mercy. Yeaah, it's the Nordic community.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm just- I would say it's the- it's- it's- he's been adopted. That's how I would interpret that. Yeah. I mean, I can't see any connection to-