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[Assistant] His death date, I believe, doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure off the top of my head, they write his death down as, and I'm thinking of someone else as 498. 490, yea, and it's meant to be 398. They think it's meant to be 398 and then other people think that 418 actually is the better typo. Um, but it gets, yea, because that's elder


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[Assistant] Because 398, I think in 398, the woman that the law piece with him, where he's being interviewed or whatever, someone's interviewing about it, basically that woman would have been like 16 in 398 and it wouldn't have made sense.


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[Assistant] There's also a lot of theories out there about Sovngarde just being a portal in, you know, Skyrim that you can actually go to and how it's strange that you can access it without actually dying.


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[Assistant] I suppose that can be said of a lot of different realms and portals where people go to when they die, you end up going there in Elder Scrolls Online or, I mean, you even go to the Soul Can in Skyrim.


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[Assistant] How do you, how do you guys keep track of where you are on this?


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[Assistant] And all of that. It doesn't actually talk about, it doesn't mention the Thalmor, does it? It's Alt Mary.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but when you read the text, I don't think it actually, people say it's about the Thalmor and I mean that makes sense, but.


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[Assistant] The text, you know, to reach, to kill man is to reach heaven from where we came before the doom drums iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the material prison. And then the three goals are up, erase Talos from the mythic, remove man from the world and the past pattern of possibility.


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[Assistant] Alrighty. Creature. Creature. I think this is like the broad thing. I've always thought about this. Is this chaotic creation? Yeah. Chaotic creation is in oblivion, I believe.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Is creation just, just creation ever mentioned anywhere?


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[Assistant] That's what I imagine. It's like a definable thing that you use to create stuff.


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[Assistant] It's what the ideal masters did, they found an area of chaotic creation and then built the soul can. So I guess it's like the building blocks of stuff. That's what I think, right? It's kind of just like particles or atoms or something, if you were to try and make it scientific.


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[Assistant] But then, but then it's gonna get weird when you get down to a-drons and day-drons and then it's kinda like...


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[Assistant] There's like such little information on, on it. It's, it's very like, you know, I think it was mentioned somewhere once. Is it in reference to Drosera?


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[Assistant] I mean, I mean, look, here's the actual text that it's from, right? Which is the hope of the Rederant.


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[Assistant] And it says, So it's kind of just like almost a throwaway line of here's this cool elsewhere Khajiit prophecy, but we don't really know much about it.


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[Assistant] Histsap. Histsap massacres. Hell yeaah.


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[Assistant] I don't know what that is, but, uh, I can only think of, um, theories relating to the massacre that takes place in Elder Scrolls for Oblivion for the Fighter's Guild quest with Blackwood. You know how they make you ingest the Hyssop from the tree they smuggled in?


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[Assistant] And, and then you go and massacre water's edge and they all look like goblins to you. Nah dude, they're just goblins man. Yeah, you go on a goblin killing spree and it turns out they're people.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was thinking about, uh, in the Greg Keyes books, when they summon Umbriel, the Hists summon Umbriel through and like.


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[Assistant] I'm real basically it destroys Lil Moth and a few other places. Yeah, that's what I'd heard that as well. But there's not much. I don't think any saps involved though. It's just the least. Well, there are, there are theories about it with, with water's edge. Like, um, gosh, what is that?


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[Assistant] I remember people saying something like it was like test, it was a test for the sap that they would feed like the argonians when the oblivion crisis happened. This is like some crazy non-confirmed random theory that I just came across once.


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[Assistant] Um, there's the scroll of a dompher, which I don't really know anything about and I don't think anyone really does. I'm pretty sure it's.


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[Assistant] There was this, I think a forum based role play thing, I think between Kirkbride and Ted Peterson, where they were like writing between each other as different characters and one of them's like, please give me the scroll of a dompfer, please. And the other one's like, no.


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[Assistant] I can't even remember if it's a sigic, but I definitely, there's no answer of what is the scroll of a dumpfire. I think it's just like a- I've never heard of it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Isn't there a book as well, like a, I think it could be a book called Sithus or something like that, that talks about how the Aedra like, couldn't handle being nothing in stasis and began to carve out their own identities and have their own like, which in itself is kind of like an egoic motive, right?


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[Assistant] Or who can say or something like that. So it could just be a cheeky reference to her.


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[Assistant] Alright. That's it, half of this is like deep lore, half of it's like crazy stuff and half of it's like real goofy, just actual lore references.


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[Assistant] Uh, Thalmor did Midnights, that's a pretty easy one, like, the idea that they made the, the moons disappear.


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[Assistant] It's like Almalixia causing all those issues in Mournhold. She created these problems so that she could then fix them. And everyone's like, oh, you fixed the problems. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they, but if the, if the, if the moon's just vanished, I doubt they brought it back. Yeah. I mean, they, they say they did it with what dawn magics, which is pretty obscure. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I imagine Yukuda kind of like a nuke zone, where it's like, it's still there, it's just completely destroyed and ruined and half sunken in like a place you can't live yet.


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[Assistant] If you stand in ESO, if you stand on the shore of, uh, like the most western part of Daggerfall and look to the horizon, you can see like little mountainy silhouettes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean there's also the concept that it's just completely a metaphor and that it didn't actually sink based on all the terminology of them using like uhm, things to do with oceans and sea and water and stuff.


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[Assistant] The other thing it could be is it could be referring to the use of language and magical applications of it. So obviously like we were talking


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[Assistant] I mean, there's the phrase of spells and incantations for those with the talents to cast them.


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[Assistant] But that kind of implies that speech is involved in certain magic, you know, you need to say certain phrases or words. It's obviously not a gameplay function and there's a silence spell as well.


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[Assistant] Which you can take metaphorically and just means, you know, it silences them from casting spells or does it actually stop them from speaking and therefore they can't access certain magic? I'm not sure.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, a lot of those, a lot of these things like that. Alright, Martin Mantled Akatosh, you wanted to speak about mantling, didn't you Camel?


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[Assistant] Do you reckon he did though? There was an Avatar of Akatosh, right? Yeah. What does that even mean? An Avatar of Akatosh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, physically, physically when it happens, you're like, oh my God, he mantle him. But if you think about it, he hasn't, he hasn't recreated Akatosh's historical. Yeah, he hasn't. Uh, doings at all. He just went, uuuh, and just snapped an amulet and turned into a yugioh dragon.


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[Assistant] Alright, Scar, and this is- Yeah, Camel made a video about, uh, different wacky creatures recently and I believe Scar would have been one of them. Yeah, the emper-crab, the big old emper-crab.


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[Assistant] He gots, I can't remember who killed him, someone to Hlaren?


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[Assistant] It, it's like a shell is described as like impenetrable, can't be scratched, damaged, whatever. And this guy got a spear and killed it. Can't you find the staff? I'm like, how? Isn't there a, isn't it like a staff in the Elder Scrolls Online?


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[Assistant] Okay, monotheism. So I guess just, uh, that would be talking about Marook, wouldn't it? I can't think of any other examples.


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[Assistant] Outside of a least in order kind of era stuff.


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[Assistant] Oh, but he stole the gift of life from akatosh or something like that.


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[Assistant] There's just other artifacts that are cooler and not given the same prestige, I guess. Like, uhm, Glamoril, I think it was Glamoril, like, Sharlador was so obsessed with it, he was like, just not even talking to his wife, like, he was just so... Mmm, it was like the Da Vinci code for him, and he couldn't crack it, right? It wasn't even, he wanted it.


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[Assistant] Isn't there, there's lots of other theories about Konarik and who was wearing it and like if it was Falok the jailer and this and like, yeah, there's enough shade there for that, for me not to take that as like a super confirmed. Oh, it is glamoural. Yeah. Well Konarik means warlord.


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[Assistant] And I think this- Yeah, didn't you say that was what the serpent- Yeah, like a serpent constellation moving around in the sky or something. Yeah, that's- yeah, okay.


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[Assistant] It's ringing a bell, I don't know what it is. We've got four people, someone's gonna latch on to every one of them. That's the advantage, the more the merrier for this stuff. Let's push to... Twimmer. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, isn't that just the people like decoding Dwemer language and like what it means and spell? You see it everywhere. But isn't that saying that


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[Assistant] So this is what I'm trying to get at, like people have translated it everywhere, but it's kind of gibberish or it doesn't make sense. Yeah. So it's like, well, I guess maybe it is encrypted. Anyway, Duemo language is hard to understand. Not much of a crazy theory there. Um, Daedric Lorcan. Drew.


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[Assistant] I'm ready to next this one. I'm ready to next it into the museum. Go screw. Mudcrabs can speak a much better topic. I guess this is one of the merchants in Morrowind. Yeah. Okay. That. I always, in my head cannon, he's not a mud crab and he's like something else that's been turned into like curse.


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[Assistant] I think there's two dragons. Uh, in Battlespire there's a dragon in Battlespire. It's dead, but you arrive just after the Daedra come in.


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[Assistant] And there's a note saying like, oh no, the Dejah are coming in, I'm gonna choose my pet dragon, and his name's like Dragoon or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, tonal architecture, I guess, is something that we're all probably pretty familiar with, the Dwemers.


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[Assistant] Superpowers and how they kind of could shape and bend reality and physics to do what they want. Elder Scrolls Online did expand upon it a bit and make it less mysterious and more like here's our tonal resonators, here's our tools, here's how this works a bit more. Like especially remember the calling thing with the helmet and like a lot of their powers got explained.


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[Assistant] Like the idea that the Numidian was sent into the future and that there's these like mirror logicians or some weird Altmer thing, people fighting against the Numidian constantly like through time to like keep it away. It gets super anime. Is landfall that fifth era theory thing?


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[Assistant] Oh, that's just the game that was gonna be made. I think after Redguard.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's referenced in Tribunal in Morrowind.


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[Assistant] I'm looking for the Eye of Argonia. You can say that as a response. Yeah, it's an artifact said to be the priceless king's jewel of ancient Black Marsh.


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[Assistant] Is there a source? Yea, the source is dialogue, uhm, with, uh, Dracheus who runs the dragon tail in, uhm, in Redguard.


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[Assistant] Yeah. What does this mean? Then there's uh, mantling, there's the sigic endeavour, uh, the scarab that becomes the new man is the, the amaranth. Yeah. The person that becomes the god. But then it gets into, it gets into Kirkbride style. There's like, there's like two other, I don't know.


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[Assistant] We've all heard of towers theory, we've all speculated about it and said maybe they'll use it as the, um, you know, the main focus of Elder Scrolls 6, but who knows? Like, do we need to, maybe we shouldn't cover things we've already spoken at length about.


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[Assistant] You know in the, uh, the werewolf, Hosein's ring quest in Skyrim, whatever that's called, when you go into that cave and there's the full moon, the blood moon, it's the wrong moon, it's the blood moon.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, uh, one of the moons uses the skin of like a camera where it's like a real moon. One of the moons of Jupiter or something. It's just like a photo of that moon is what they used. That's the secrets of the moon. That's what I got.


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[Assistant] Yeah. If true. Yeah. Uh, the next one. Big if true. Yeah, big if true. The next one is, uhm, really weird.


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[Assistant] Is that because he has a, what is it called, in Cold Harbor, there's something called the Lightless Oobliet, I think, which is, I can't really, it's literally


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I know his realm is meant to just be this kind of like gross corrupted version of Tamriel, like it's not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't really buy into this one. I'm, I'm happy to move on to, well, we've done mirror logicians basically, they're like this alt-mary, Kirkbride faction basically, right? And they're supposedly tasked with


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I could be wrong, it is the oldest girls, but yeah. The University of Gwylem's a weird one because it's, I'm pretty sure it's just referenced all the time or referenced in places, but doesn't seem to actually


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[Assistant] Yeah. I've always called it Gwilym. Gwilym, yeah, whatever. Gwilym. Gwilym makes sense.


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[Assistant] Is that like in HP Lovecraft, everyone's from this made up university in those books? Could be. Perhaps it could be a reference. I can't remember what the university's called.


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[Assistant] But, but yea, like, it doesn't seem to exist. People think it might be in High Rock, not Serial Deal, but like, okay. There's just no proof of it, it's just a meme university. Uhm, time traveling books, I suppose that is trying to rationalize Elder Scrolls Online, adding books from, uhm, the future.


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[Assistant] And could also be referencing Himaeus Mora having texts from the future, but... I dunno.


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[Assistant] Get back on it. Yeah, that's all I'm thinking. I just want Elder Scrolls 6 to be a really good game, man. But my expectations are measured. They're measured.


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[Assistant] You're bringing, you're bringing me back to when we were in LA and we were walking home from some party at E3 and we were like, let's tell, let's tell Camel about determinism. Let's just go up to Camel and just start talking about her.


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[Assistant] Kinmin was like a mining robot, I think, from the guild of miners on like some planet.


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[Assistant] And then it gets sent back in time to Safal, which is where you find the Eye of Magnus.


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[Assistant] Wait, is the Sigic Endeavour the walking way? Uh, yeaah. Which has nothing to do with the Sigicorder, apparently.


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[Assistant] I guess we move on to HIST trying to enslave the world.


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[Assistant] Uh, for me this is an interesting one because the Hiss, the way they act, like when we look at Hiss conspiracy theories, they seem very focused on protecting themselves.


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[Assistant] And that's kind of it. Like, they'll help the Argonians when they need to, but it's not like they're on this massive...


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[Assistant] Continent-wide conquest, if you know what I mean, unless, which of course you can say, they're playing the long game and they have this overarching plan to eventually take over Tamriel when it's weakened or something like that, but like, I dunno.


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[Assistant] That'd be so easy to destroy. If anyone actually wanted to destroy the Hiss, that'd be so easy, right?


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[Assistant] I guess it depends. It's just blackmarsh being hard to inhabit, supposedly. Put a bunch of termites on them. Just get some weird killer and go through and spray that around. What?


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[Assistant] Uh, the tower? Is it the adamantine tower? Or is it a different tower?


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[Assistant] What is the Mandela Effect? Is that when a group of people...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it got named after that because I think when people remember Nelson Mandela died or something like that, and then they were like, wait, I thought he died. And then they were like, no. And it's like, yeah, I remember his funeral on TV. And so does my mom and all this. And there's a whole bunch of people who reckon they remember it. And then.


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[Assistant] I think it's just one arrow, isn't it?


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[Assistant] Uh, slow trying to destroy dreamsleeve?


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[Assistant] Now- We don't see or hear enough about them. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Daedrons and Aedrons. I told you we'd get here.


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[Assistant] I think, I think what Daedrons and Aedrons are is a kind of like, um,


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[Assistant] A way to make magic sound more complicated, cause obviously, mages study magic, but you never hear about, you know, like all the stuff they would be studying.


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[Assistant] You just don't have the texts for it, but you know, there's notes from mages like,


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[Assistant] You know, electrons and you know, how you can support atoms and there's different things like quarks and.


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[Assistant] The joke I thought you were making is actually correct. It's getting a little bit meta.


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[Assistant] Damn it, this is going to be so dumb.


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[Assistant] That's cool. I think it's, I think it's going to be a massive challenge to make a video that covers like all the lessons. Yeah. Oh, I thought about it beforehand. It's just like, dude.


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[Assistant] Speaking of which, we move on to the next one. Who wants to say that?


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[Assistant] Is it just the sigic endeavour, or is it something completely different?


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[Assistant] I need to, was the Eternal Champion the guy you play in Arena? Yeah. Or Daggerfall? Arena. Arena, yeah. Did you know, uhm, the opening cutscene of Daggerfall? You know how the, it's like, uh, real life? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] It hurt her because it had a spiky dong.


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[Assistant] Might have to take a hiatus on this one. Permanent hiatus. Aperture lore video!


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[Assistant] Uhm, what's next? Adjacent places.


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[Assistant] But then he's like, oh, uh, us people in the dimension hopping community.


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[Assistant] And he talks about li- it's basically like, like a lo- like a real life lore master. Just in game. Just referencing random stuff.


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[Assistant] Okay, uh, words. This could be two things. It could be like, uh, stars. So it's like words that look like words, but they're not, AKA this whole list. Or it could be like, uh, drar. You know how they have this, um, uh, meaning? Is it, does it mean the first? Yeah, like ancient primordial. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Where did Dagothur get his name from? Yeah, I was thinking that, I didn't wanna say


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[Assistant] And I don't know if that is just talking about all the lore that we've talked about. I think we had the whole Akatosh podcast where we talked about all the different, like, Akka things and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] It sounds like they're like eating the world. Like, the wheel. They're just like grabbing it and tossing it and everything gets mixed around crazy and then it comes back and everything that happened that was different all happened. Like a dragon. Yeah. Precisely.


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[Assistant] I dunno, honestly. What was, what was he trying to do? Like, if he failed, what did he fail doing?


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[Assistant] The Khajiit tower, is there a Khajiit tower? Uhm, people speculate that there, uhm, that there is, or that the, is it the lunar ladder? So there's this really weird thing called the cat pile, I think, or something like that, where all the Khajiits like jump on top of each other and climb up to make a ladder to the, to the moon. It's like the south.


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[Assistant] The grabbers. Is there, is there, is there something to do with city face? We came and stole Vivek's son or some? Hold on one second.


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[Assistant] It's like your identity, isn't it? Or the shell of an identity. There's something weird.


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[Assistant] Because there was a thing, when I did the video about the Augur of Dunlain, in the Elder Scrolls Legends, when you play the card, uh, the College of Winterhold, it says, Agar took Alia Dune some, it's a verse from the 36 Lessons. Agar took Adam Chim.


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[Assistant] AE meaning is in the Elnifex language as in the state of being is a term often used to refer to all, uhm, existence which split the eternal void of non-existence that originally filled


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[Assistant] Uhm, is the weapon of knowledge also, yeaah. I'm fried, you know, I'm starting to look like the picture. I feel like I, the picture after the Khajiit with the skooma.


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[Assistant] There's also the idea that uhm, of time relativity where it actually moves through the middle. Sorry, so like the further you go to the poles, the more time slows down. Which is why Atmore is considered frozen in time and all this weird stuff. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I thought the monkey truth was like a term that referred to, uhm, eldest girl's truth that is, return to monkeys.


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[Assistant] Oh no, what were you saying, what's the monkey's name? Marook. Marook. Marook. Yeah, it's like the third link. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I asked, I actually asked the loremaster. And he said it's short for Chim. Chim.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Lehman Tuttle, the lore master for ESO. He said, uh, it's chuh, like cheese. Chim.


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[Assistant] Right, okay. I think people have even speculated that, that uhm, he's somehow related to Ardyn Sol. But, I dunno.


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[Assistant] We'll save that for another time.


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[Assistant] It's the next one, here we go. We're gonna skip that, we've already talked about it. Yeah, don't need to talk about it. Skull Secrets. Uhm. What secrets? I mean, they've got secrets that Hamaeus Mora want.


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[Assistant] I dunno. Sounds of the moons! Yea, no clue. The moons make sounds, maybe?


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[Assistant] By the way, serious question, how far down this list are we gonna get today?


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[Assistant] Well, some people, cause you know, there's the Corpus dudes, like the zombies walking around, but then there's people like, uh, ascended sleepers, and they catch it and then they like start evolving into these crazy creatures with like superpowers. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So in some sense, and then there's the ash vampires too, so in some cases it is like a literal, like evolved to this higher being. And the ash vampires have a third eye in the center of their head.


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[Assistant] And now we're going to move on to the enantiomorph.


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[Assistant] Which is a fundamental underlying concept of duality and or merge dichotomy inherent in the structure of Orbis which is reflected in all its aspects.


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[Assistant] What's a main? The main? The spiritual leader of elsewhere.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, everything or universal would be everything, right? I guess so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think he was. St. Chip. I don't think he was. St. Chip the eradicator. That's what he's called. Yeah. No.


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[Assistant] Is it nice? Maybe. It sounds like it should be. You know, it's probably a Kirkbride writing. Let's be honest. I honestly can't find anything on it.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's, let's move on to the next one. Parabolic Kauper. I'm pretty sure this is the concept that's kind of shaped like this, where it's divine at the start and the further you go down, uhm, it gets less and less divine, less crazy and mystical.


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[Assistant] Um, and then it kind of, when the Calp is ending, it goes back into more wackier, crazier stuff.


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[Assistant] It just sounds like it's so much. I know it's not, it's just like, that name.


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[Assistant] I guess this could just be the concept of, you know, how, you know, myth makes reality and worship affects real power levels and existence and perceptions change things too. Like the idea that if Trinamac is still worshiped, then he's still around. It's not just like he's changed into, um, Malacath and that's the end of it.


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[Assistant] What is he called? The apprentice. The apprentice. Oh, okay. But I think that's what they mean.


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[Assistant] The battle mage. Is there a famous mysterious battle mage from some story? There's lots of famous battle mages, but I don't know who. But like an unknown one who like did some crazy stuff?


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[Assistant] I mean, Jaegar, Tharn, like, there's lots of-


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[Assistant] I know it's a class, right? It's a class you can choose in. Yea, that's what I was gonna say. It's a class. But, it's not like it's a, it's not a star sign or something, so it's not talking about constellations.


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[Assistant] Okay, three talons, I have no idea what that means, if it's meant to be spelled T-A-L-O-N-S or, or what. Three talons.


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[Assistant] These three individuals having the same name could be a simple coincidence. Wait, who? The Eternal Champion, the Eternal Champion's father, and General Warhoft.


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[Assistant] Now, this is actually, I believe, just kind of what you were talking about before, Scott, because, and I don't even know if you pronounce it go-old, but that's from Stargate.


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[Assistant] That's a race of sentient parasitic beings that take over the hosts. And they look like these snake dragon things.


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[Assistant] They just look like snake dragons, so I think it's just talking about the concept that PSYSE do take over hosts and eat them and kind of become these snake things, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] The echo of the void is oblivion. The echo of oblivion is now mortal death. Death results in reappropriation of spirit towards its aligned AE, either to the god planet Aedra or the principalities of oblivion. Vex's name for this transaction, mentioned above, is lunar currency.


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[Assistant] Are inconsistent across these different civilizations from thousands of years ago. Might be referencing that, like, literal, historical.


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[Assistant] Unless it's like entire constellations that are the same but in different spots and I don't know.


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[Assistant] Where it's like they whipped up some cool looking maps and they were slightly different to one another. No.


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[Assistant] That, that is literally the explanation for everything. Where you're like, ooh, what's going on here? Uh, speaking of stars, we've got the, I don't know how to pronounce it, but minimoli, slash nemo, nemoly, slash star orphans. Basically the first one there, I'm pretty sure is this like blue, bluish star that appears when a dragon break is going to happen.


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[Assistant] There are a type of Magnege that only appear during Dragon Breaks. Frequently called Untime.


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[Assistant] I would say yeaah, there's Bosmer that worship her scene. Some of them.


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[Assistant] Against green packs. Yeaah. They caught us on the hunt. And they can't hunt. You can't. It's more the shape shifting that you can't do. Yeaah. Well I guess it's only the weird features. Yeaah. But I mean like also if he's killing animals, that's a big no no. Waits can kill animals. So long as they don't kill plants, right? Yeaah. They're like oppositely vegan. Oh yeaah. Yeaah yeaah. You're right. Screw the animals. Get in there with her.


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[Assistant] Wait, how does he actually vanish?


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[Assistant] The idea there could be like, Homeus Mora wanted him to open it, um, so that he could kind of zero-sum in front of him and extract the knowledge of zero-summing stuff, but. What happens to Arniel Gain when you, when he zero-sums, when he supposedly zero-sums? I think he just disappears. Well, he just vanished? He doesn't turn into ash.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be a out of canon writing for sure. For sure.


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, it's really short though, I can read it. The dragon is bound with noble size, the serpent is bound with shifting tones, the sun is bound with metal flames, the earth is bound with secret knots. The end. Is it, uh, in-game book? It's good stuff. Uh, it's from the Imperial Library. Library. Ah, okay, so.


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[Assistant] I went to read it before you did and I went, nope. I can, I can, I know what this is. I can ex-, I can explain this really quickly. Go for it. Uhm, it's basically just like a anti-universe viewpoint. So like orbic, orbic as in orbis and abne-, as in like abnegation.


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[Assistant] So like, abnegation is rejecting or renouncing something. So it's kind of like an Altmer who wants to unmake the world may have some kind of abnegorbic creed.


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[Assistant] Now the 15 in 1 golden tones is something referenced in, uhm, Dwemer texts and stuff. I'm pretty sure Caggrinac or someone swears upon the 15 in 1 golden tones and people speculate what they are if they're references actually to.


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[Assistant] Uhm, alright, you'll know this one.


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[Assistant] Ideal masters are god of worms remnant. Cause you did a video on the ideal masters, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, apparently the ideal masters were necromancers in the Morethic era.


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[Assistant] Who through some unknown means, went to oblivion, found some chaotic creation and made the soul can and then ascended to non-corporeal beings. That they're immortal, but they're, it's, they use soul energy to be immortal.


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[Assistant] They say, like if they give soul energy away, it diminishes their eternity.


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[Assistant] It's a bit, I don't know, but the king of worms remnant. Yeah. God of worms remnant. Oh, it was God of worms. Did I say king of worms?


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[Assistant] No, I, I think I thought mana marker. What's the god of war?


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[Assistant] Also, is that canon? Cause one of the endings of Daggerfall is he gets the man's


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[Assistant] Okay, it says he's known as the king of worms and later on the god of worms.


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[Assistant] I don't know what joy snow is. I know there's sand whales and snow whales. The snow whales are these flying whales that rain down joy snow from their bellies. I think it's a, it's a pretty certain fights of the alcohol.


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[Assistant] Hang on, so these things are a Kirkbread thing? Yes. Yeah. Because in ESO, there's someone who sells this potion thing they made.


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[Assistant] This is referenced in that animation that All in All made with, um, Ulfric, right? And the...


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[Assistant] That's the tribunal. There's, they've spelt this wrong, pancratos sword. I think it's pancratos sword, like one word, one S. Yeah. And it's basically- Does it have an S?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so that's what I'm saying, as in like, it's one word, and the S in that word is just the S for sword. And it's like this ultimate sword singer technique. Forbidden ritual, yeah. That's apparently what the Yakudans did on Yakuda to destroy the left-handed elves that sunk the continent. They used the Pankrato sword ritual and just blew up the


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[Assistant] I mean, it makes sense when somebody dug it up.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's like, if you go past Tamriel that way, you just come back around tomorrow with.


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[Assistant] Which we already talked about as like this end of the world cataclysmic event where the Numidium comes back and just nopes everything out of existence.


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[Assistant] Thought to be the oldest ruin. It's where you get the flame of agnon to take to the, um, sekelem of Ardensoll and light the flame and all of that. But I don't know why this is so far down on this list and why it is like,


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I feel like the more, like actually towards the bottom it kinda gets easier. Yeaah, I think it will. I remember telling Scott before the first episode that there's no way, and he's like, oh nah, maybe we can get it all done in one episode. I'm like, nah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah. Okay, well, thanks everyone for watching. I'm really impressed if you made it this far. I'm impressed with all four of us, to be honest. We're all feeling like that, that picture below. I really need it. Yeah, this is what you signed up for, Campbell. That's fine, I'm happy to.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, it's uhm, ladies and gentlemen, Camelworks!


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[Assistant] All right, well, social media links are in the description as well as a link to Camel's channel if you haven't been there already. And we will see you next time.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Elder Scrolls podcast with Fudge Muppet, I'm Scott here with Michael Andrew as always and today we have an episode dedicated to the Shivering Isles, the Daedric realm of Sheogorath and we're gonna try and keep it a little bit more away from Sheogorath himself and instead discuss the sort of land and lore and


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[Assistant] And history of the area itself and the geography and such. So which one of you fellas would like to take it away?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so his whole theme is like the mind basically, like the two sides of, uh, madness. Sorry, I cut, Drew, what are you gonna say?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well we could probably start, like we probably do have to bring up Shigureth a bit, but we could clarify that just for everyone who maybe haven't played the Shivering Isles, and you definitely should, but...


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[Assistant] Um, it's originally the realm of order of Jiggalag, so everything so sh- you know, uh, the Shivering Isles being an extension of Shaogorath insane, we know that the, the, the curse that the other Daedric Princes put on Jiggalag, who was once this powerful Daedric Prince of Order,


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[Assistant] Um, then made him insane, but then jiggle lag would only come back every, I actually, what's the period of time, every certain period of time, the grey march, does every era.


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[Assistant] But, but yeaah, so, so that's their kind of, I mean, a way to envision it, if you've watched our previous podcast episodes,


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[Assistant] It's actually kind of like a, a calpic cycle, you almost think, for the Sheogorath. So every time the Grey March comes, it's like a big apocalypse, returned to dawn, and then Shivering Isles is reformed in a sort of new way, but still consistent with Sheogorath. So Sheogorath has to come back and rebuild his realm every single time the Grey March happens.


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[Assistant] And this all continues to happen until we get to the hero of Kvatch at the end of the third era who, um, actually ends up mantling Sheogorath and preventing the Grey March from happening and basically


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[Assistant] Severs the being so jiggle lags no longer part of the curse anymore, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well that's the kind of idea is why that whoever your hero of Kvatch was in, uhm, like, you know, race or gender or whatnot.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's, it's bliss on mania and what was the other one? Crucible. Crucible.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we should, uhm, uh, also make a mention that we covered the Masked and Oriole, like, extensively in a previous podcast episode, so we won't go into them too much, because there's a lot of cool stuff there, uhm, that we had in that discussion. But yeah, so that's the setup.


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[Assistant] Component outside of the sort of like other settlements and other, and you know, the nature and stuff, which we'll get to, is uhm, the whole pass wall.


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[Assistant] So there's once you enter the Shivering Isles, you're in this essentially like gated area, this like pre-entry that has this big flesh Atronach type creature called the Gatekeeper.


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[Assistant] Which uhm, is guarding, guarding the pass unless you have like, you know, the credentials or what not. Or you're able to kill it.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you guys, have you ever watched, um, the movie Labyrinth with David Bowie and like the Jim Henson movie? It's been a long time, but it's a good film. Yeah. So I really liked that film, but it gives me a lot of, it reminds me a lot of the Shivering Isles and the way Shivering Isles is done. And it's also a lot of the concept art and stuff. I guess the grummites kind of remind me of the goblins and so on, but it's kind of got that like.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it's just that weird whimsical kind of, um, feel to it, which I actually really, really enjoy. Like, I know I've kind of like, um, talked about how like Shale Gorath to me is really like overrated. I hear people like, oh, it's my favorite prince, all that kind of stuff. Um, but I really like.


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[Assistant] Shergorath, what makes, sells him the most for me is the Shivering Isles itself. It's the actual place. Like if you took away the Shivering Isles, like, and being able to explore that location, I'd be far less interested in Shergorath.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that the Shivering Isles seems to be, uh, just have a lot of mortals. Like, like New Sheoth is a primarily mortal population.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Like rather than like, you know, there's, there's other places like the fields of regret have like, you know, like Scarfin and stuff and have it in there and there's Dramora clans in other places and, and you, and there's even references to like Daedric cities and so on, but it's kind of like they seem to be the home of primarily Daedra, whereas


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[Assistant] And I guess there's like, you know, in the ash pits, there might be some orcs that come in the afterlife zone, but it's kind of like mortals that have died. And I know it's kind of a mortals dying game.


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[Assistant] It's BigForkz in there, isn't it? The guy that likes the BigForkz. BigForkz? The Argonian, not BigForkz, the Argonian guy that was obsessed with forks in Morrowind is in the Shivering Isles. Uhm, I forgot his exact name.


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[Assistant] Big head. Big head. And he likes the fork. Yeaah. The fork of horripulation. Yeaah. Uhm, but I guess we can also, do you want to start talking about some of the nature first? Some more of the, like, you know, creatures and different kinds of things there?


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[Assistant] I love the part 2 that says it's theorized that the root is a single organism which draws the color from dementia and transplants it to mania. Like that's just a really good-


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[Assistant] And as we talk, I would, I talked about in the, in a amber video that did just on the armor type, it seems that Shivering Isle's amber is like, it's different, it's this sap thing, it's completely different to like amber as in just some normal fossilized resin that you'd find in the mortal world.


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[Assistant] One other little thing I just want to, like,


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[Assistant] Or am I confusing them? He's into green moat. Green moat sailor. I mixed them up.


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[Assistant] Well, while we're on the topic of water and, were you going somewhere else with this?


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[Assistant] I was just going to, I was going to segue into grummites because water and native creature to the, to the area. But did you want to go somewhere else? Yeah. Take it away. All right. We'll talk about, like, you'll notice that they have the sort of, uh, shivering isles has their like equivalent of, I guess, a goblin. So they have like little sort of tribal societies called grummites, which are like these.


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[Assistant] Fishy, sort of amphibious looking things. And these are what reminded me of some of the goblins from Labyrinth.


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[Assistant] And so on, and especially if you look at some of the concept art for Shivering Isles, which is really, really cool, like some of it's not used, but they had like, uh, grummites dressed as butlers for Shivering, um, for Sheogorath. He had like, and I, I just think it's such a cool sort of idea. It reminds me of like Jareth and his goblins, but anyway, um,


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[Assistant] There's an interesting evolutionary cycle here where it's believed that basically they start off as Poliwogs, and then they- Bally- Bally- Oh no, it is Poliwogs. Poliwogs, and then they turn into baliwogs, which you can actually see, and they're the little like, they're like, basically look like a grummite, but on all fours, and with a lizard tail and gills and stuff.


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[Assistant] And uhm, yeaah, so they're in the lakes and rivers and stuff and you can find them. But then, up from that's the grumite. And the grumite has all of these sort of social, uhm,


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[Assistant] And what's interesting that I didn't know is that there's, uh, I'll have to double check the sources, but that, you know, those scalons, the big lizards, that they're actually related as well, like a final form of some, which I w-


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[Assistant] Okay, so they like it can buy the gromite or scalon.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but like the gromites are pretty cool, like if you go to the US page and scroll down, you can see some of the concept arts for them. And yeaah, there's the butler one, the gromite servant butler one. They're cool. And smoked baliwog legs are delicious.


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[Assistant] One extra thing is, is the, uh, there's this Spawn Mother, which is a type of Gromite, which is very little is known because it's basically just a Legends card, but if you do scroll down and look at the Legends card for Spawn Mother, it does sort of look more like a Scalon kind of thing.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, this is a Legends card eh, like the Spawn Mother is just huge. Yeaah. Cause these all come from the Shivering Isles expansion that they did, which has got some really cool


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[Assistant] It's, it's kinda like, by the way, like, I, I don't know really where they fall, cause it's kinda hard to tell, like, whether they are.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's complicated and if you have, uh, if you, if you recognize Lorkhan as a Daedric Prince and Mundus as his Daedric realm, it all goes out there. They're all Daedra. But uhm, what's interesting with Shivering Isles, I think by comparison to a lot of other places, they, he actually seems to have a few of Daedra from


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[Assistant] Other places, so, so like, you know, Maskin and Aurel, both.


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[Assistant] From what we sort of researched and looked at in our podcast, uh, weren't native to the Shivering Isles. They seem to have sort of served, decided to serve Shergareth in the Shivering Isles and also like, um, the Hungers are associated mainly with Boethia, but they're all throughout the Shivering Isles as well.


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[Assistant] I guess the last thing I'll just mention, I'm trying to think of other unique geographical features, but there is the hill of suicides, where people who kill themselves, you know, suicide, they get stuck on this hill as ghosts forever.


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[Assistant] Might be useful just to pull up a list of creatures in the Shivering Isles. See if we- I mean, I've- It was a bestiary.


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[Assistant] Is, you know, made the Flesh Atronachs and made the Gatekeeper and so on. I can imagine, like, she makes the Skintowns and-


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[Assistant] And shambles are like, she's, these are like kind of like runaway experiments from her, from her place. Oh absolutely.


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[Assistant] The Pygmies. The Pygmies. The secret hidden race. The extinct hidden race. You wanna tell us about it? There's one line from a chick called Una Amina.


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[Assistant] I feel like it changes from person to person to like defining spirit or soul as well or someone might see the spirit as a component of the soul, but it's a bit-


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I'm gonna call it like, Sheogate. Hashtag Sheogate. While you're getting that


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[Assistant] Is it the bone of an old gatekeeper, I think? That you go with the bone guy together? I can't- I vaguely remember it, cause I- yea. I'd uh, I'd often have- I'd just kill it, cause I'm just like that, you know? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, I could just, like, the fundamental difference between those two groups is that the Heretics believe that Ardensul is the true ruler of the Shivering Isles, and that he should- Not Shayogorath. Yeah, and the Zealots believe the reverse.


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[Assistant] Oh sorry. It's not the exact reverse, it's a bit more...


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[Assistant] Technically, the heretics are, they're both kind of, like the heretics are kind of right in the way that Sheogorah,


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[Assistant] The grey mark, you know how it's like not real, Treygorath is kind of a false rule because it's actually kind of grey, um, sorry, Jigglelurk. You know what I mean? Like a kind of, like you can throw some sort of shade on it, I guess. But then also, I guess the zealots are, you know, like it's, you're not really going to doubt Treygorath's like divinity, I guess. Sounds weird saying that.


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[Assistant] The quote in the book Furious, he reached into his chest and tore out his own heart before the light faded from his eyes. Ardenseal was reported to have realized the ironic truth. He was the traitor destined to kill himself. It's like, that's the line.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we can also, I dunno, Drew's itching to talk about Haskell.


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[Assistant] The question is like, so, I dunno, if he was, he mantled Shagorath in a previous...


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[Assistant] How does that w- and then I guess that maybe the Grey March came and that split them or something? Yeah, I'm- I'm not sure. Cause the only thing is, it's like, does that mean that maybe the hero of Kvatch could be, like, dismantled? Well, I guess that there's no Grey March to do it. I don't know. It sounds a little wack, but I guess... Unless because the condition was that


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[Assistant] When he mantled Shergorath previously, but then when the Grey March came about, Shergorath turns back into Jiggalag, which kind of like pushed the Haskell from him, if that makes sense? Yeah. So you have, there's like a, so then Shergorath is kind of born anew?


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[Assistant] Kind of. But then it's different when the Hero of Kvatch came about because he mantled a Sheogorath that was separate from Jiggalak. He separated them successfully and stopped the Greymarch Curves thing. Mmm. Yeaah. It's all very complex.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's super complex and super hard. It's just, or is it no one's really thought about it? Like the developers, they're just like, yeah, this is cool.


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[Assistant] I tell you what, most of all I want to know about Shay O'Gorath's tax policy. What was his tax policy? What was his foreign relations?


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[Assistant] I guess Shograth, he maintains a standing army. For sure.


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[Assistant] What does he do in times of flood and famine?


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[Assistant] I don't know if you guys picked up on it, but there's a quote, you know, George Arman, the writer of the game is Thrones thing.


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[Assistant] He once talked, he was talking about Tolkien and stuff like that. And the thing is, but Tolkien doesn't ask the question, what was Aragorn's tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And stuff like that. Obscure meme for the podcast.


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[Assistant] I think we pretty much covered it all, and we've definitely-


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[Assistant] It could be. I mean, I can definitely see it being a bit of a parallel to the real world as well when you look at medieval times versus ancient times.


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[Assistant] And you can kind of see that in some ways medieval times had some more advanced stuff, but a lot of the time they had less advanced things. You know, you could look back at ancient societies who had much better setups or better understandings of astrology, which you could almost parallel to magic.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the Elder Scrolls universe specifically. Um, but it, but it tends to be a theme across all of the Elder Scrolls. The ancient societies were far more advanced. So it wouldn't surprise me. Uh, another thing that I wanted to say as well.


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[Assistant] Um, with the Nibbanese culture, is it canon that they kind of wore like


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[Assistant] More beads and different things and they were a bit more, uhm.


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[Assistant] Anyway, I was just saying, when, when you talk about the alyds and them wearing beads and things like that, I wonder how much, um, like the Nidic slaves, for example, I wonder how much they kind of got inspired with their fashion down the line.


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[Assistant] Her Rebellion basically, until she wins, takes a good year. So I think it starts in 2- is it 2-4-2 and then ends in 2-4-3.


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[Assistant] Yeah, awesome. And then she takes over that and she kind of gets crowned the queen of this new empire. Queen, Queen Alicia. And then this is basically the first empire and then Alicia ends up, um, sorry, what was I saying?


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[Assistant] Anyway, so, Alicia goes on to make a new pantheon.


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[Assistant] So there's the Nordic, the Nordic people, basically, and the needs, and the needs grew up around the A-lids, so they kind of have the...


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[Assistant] The alyd pantheon in a way, like more elven influences that they've been used to as much as the alyds were their rulers. Um, they've also just been around the same gods. And so she kind of makes a fusion of that being the eight divines.


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[Assistant] Featuring a kind of mix of, uh, both elements to create a group of gods that everyone's happy with.


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[Assistant] And that's through the lighting of the dragon fires as well, which Akatosh was also said to have given to Alicia. And you also have to think, which is interesting,


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[Assistant] And we've talked about it in one of our podcasts before, but this whole idea that Akatosh didn't really exist at that point, like he did, but not in that name. And obviously we can say gods don't work on the same linear time scale.


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[Assistant] As, as the mortals, but it's quite interesting that, you know, Akatosh wasn't actually a God in the Pantheon at the time. So when Elise is a slave, no one's worshiping Akatosh.


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[Assistant] Specifically, but then Akatosh comes to her in a vision, leads her into this rebellion. She takes over, creates a new pantheon and then puts Akatosh in it, which is interesting. And you know, you can get into these ideas of like the, the Akka Oversoul and you know, you have Oriell, Akatosh, Alduin.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, is it, are they all different entities? Are they all kind of different personalities for lack of better words of the same entity?


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[Assistant] But either way, that entity, so the needs would have been familiar with Oriell. The Nords, who also kind of came on in, were familiar with Alduin.


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[Assistant] Akatosh is really just a kind of midpoint in between all of that, but then is different in different ways. And then you can also get into this whole idea is, is this why Akatosh is considered insane? Because it's this big contradictory deity that kind of has two heads in some depictions.


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[Assistant] Not Perlinal's lover. No. Alicia's lover. And together they have Belaza.


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[Assistant] The Manville. And this is considered by some to be the first Minotaur. Other people consider like, uhm, Mora House to be, like it's hard to distinguish Mora House and Belaza and what the difference between the two is because some depictions of Mora House are quite Minotaur-like.


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[Assistant] Um, but Belaza I would imagine looks quite different and much more like a Minotaur because it really is that like bull mixed with human kind of hybrid at least. It has to, Belaza has to look different to Mora House.


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[Assistant] Who is dead at this point, by the way? So, Alicia dies. Yes.


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[Assistant] How does it relate to a group like the Skal and the Allmaker?


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[Assistant] So are you saying that Marook basically was saying that there are no other gods? Like these are all-


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[Assistant] And saints and stuff, right? It's kinda like there's one real god and everything else is just like a spirit or a saint or like a lesser kind of entity.


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[Assistant] It must be very hard living in that system.


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[Assistant] Eat a piece of cake and say, you know, if I'm guilty, may God strike me down. And of course it's poison.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it makes me wonder if Borgus actually kind of converted for real or if he's just a massive sellout.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because it'd be hard to just throw away all your like religious concepts and be like, oh, actually this other religion is true.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, they served their purpose and then they got rid of them.


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[Assistant] And a lot of the alyds, they ran to Doreni territory, didn't they?


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[Assistant] Anyway, so the story of Rizlav Larik is basically he lives in Skingrad, he has a brother, Dorald, who is a priest of Maruk, who is off being a priest and therefore survives a plague that comes through and kills most of the city. Now their father is the king of Skingrad, so the father gets killed, which means no one's on the throne.


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[Assistant] And then Dorald comes back basically to sit on the throne, he wants to be king, and there's basically rumours that he's going to seed Skengrad straight to the Empire. And his brother is Ryslav and he doesn't want this, and so he basically comes and kills him.


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[Assistant] Thou art no brother of mine, Rizlav Larik said, and struck Dorald's head from his shoulders in one blow.


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[Assistant] He was crowned King of Skingrad, still holding the same bloody axe in his arms.


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[Assistant] And this basically, I guess, begins the fall of the empire, right?


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[Assistant] I was going to say, and it's not just an alliance between the Clovians. I mean, everyone gets involved, right? Like the Doreni, um, I've been high rock basically start pushing out like Elysian influence.


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[Assistant] And even, even Skyrim, right, when you have Highking, Hoag, Mercola, I think that's, oh, Mercola, of course, of course, killer of elves. And they basically, um, so Doreni outlaws the Elysian Reform in Highrock.


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[Assistant] And the elves got quite, they lost a lot of their power as well in High Rock. Like their forces got pretty depleted from battling the Elysians. And this murk killer king, he gets killed as well in that battle of Glenumbria Moors.


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[Assistant] No, no, and it's quite interesting that he's so xenophobic being an Imgur. You know what I mean? Like, wait, wait, wait, yeah, let's just clarify.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, that's what I mean. Our meme here is that Drew is a contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. Like that's the meme. That's the meme. But anyway, so yea, it is interesting, like being an Imgur.


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[Assistant] You know, like, um, being so anti-elf, but then he was also anti other things like Minotaurs and stuff, like they were part of, um, I guess the original Elysian.


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[Assistant] I always did interpret it as Elysian's pushing them out, but I'm open up.


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[Assistant] I don't know, possibly Vivek kills a lot of people. I'm happy to move on.


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[Assistant] Uh, you. So like the original, the original you originally it's saying that you were you.


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[Assistant] Well, I guess the first thing that's good to say is that, like, the Thieves Guild aren't all one big group like the Dark Brotherhood tends to be. You know, the Dark Brotherhood, they have their little hideouts everywhere, and there's communication between each other.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they don't. Like it's, yeah. And, and the, the thieves guild though are very like spread out and they don't really like seem to have like a, a strong connection to each other. Like each guild is very different.


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[Assistant] I just want a quick buck, however. I do it, I don't care, I'm a crim.


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[Assistant] And I would say it's a lot more desperate as well, like I mean, just in their situation. I'm not saying, oh, you can't blame them. It's okay. But I'm saying as a thieves guild, if they are to survive, they're in, you know, they're quite run down at the start of their plot line in Skyrim. They kind of have to do whatever it takes.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I definitely agree that they are, you know, part of the ecosystem, that they're helpful to the society.


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[Assistant] Versus the alternative of having lots of different thieving groups. And there's two reasons. One we kind of already touched on, which is like the moral aspect. So obviously if you have a thief's guild that's against just killing your target to rob their goods, which you know is basically just like a bandit if you think about it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, then that's a really good thing, and they tend to wipe out the competitors for the guards. Because they don't want competitors, so if there's an opposing guild that comes and they start killing people, the thieves guild will wipe them out.


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[Assistant] But the second thing as well you have to consider is when you have a whole bunch of different


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[Assistant] Like, you just have problems all round, whereas if everyone's part of this one guild, yeaah, it's bad, you don't want more thieves, like,


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[Assistant] Oh, there's, there's uhm, definitely, yea, I 100% agree that, I mean, look, they're a criminal group, I'm not like, oh, it's a good thing, they're good for society, I'm more arguing that they're better for society than a bunch of different mafia type groups fighting amongst each other and constantly causing issues.


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[Assistant] Do you read one of the books? Yeah, it says, it's a book in Oblivion, I believe, that says the, the Fighters Guild and the Kumonotonga, whatever, wipe them out.


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[Assistant] It does, it does bring me to think as well, another reason why the thieves guild is, I'll use the word preferred as well, is because they do have kind of like imperial values too, and they're like quite imperial in like,


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[Assistant] No, and it is filled with corruption, and that is another reason they're tolerated, because all of the people, you know, high up in the hierarchy of society, they lack


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[Assistant] That they can, you know, get bribed by the thieves guild and that there is this kind of like collective group of power in their province who has a bunch of pooled resources who can be like, you know, we'll give you a thousand gold to look the other way here and there and so on.


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[Assistant] So the people who are probably around those that can actually make a change to laws or in that area of influence, yeah, they benefit from bribes. Not saying it's good. And you could also say it benefits at least.


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[Assistant] They'll paint it like it is just altruism. Yeah. But really they've just got this big...


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[Assistant] And that's one of the coolest things about the Thieves Guild in Oblivion which


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[Assistant] I mean, you can understand why it's not as much in Skyrim, but the idea that there's not this centralized guild hall, because remember that guild hall is like at the end when you go and do the ultimate heist and kind of like unlock it, but it's just that there's so many members and people in on it.


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[Assistant] Like when you join, you meet so many people and you realize, you know, they go shadow hide you and it's like, oh wow, you're in the thieves guild as well. There's heaps and they're not just thieves, merchants, like all kinds of different people.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It's the same, when you hear the name Adamus Filida, you're like, ugh, imperial pig. Yeaah. It's like, he's just a good guard trying to stop a murderous guild. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] For a lot of them, it's the challenge of it. It's not always everyone's in it for the riches, you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, especially in Skyrim, you see it more like they all just want to get rich because there's kind of not that moral angle to it. You know, so for some people, it could literally be like a moral statement in Oblivion. That's what they believe philosophically that


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause they can just be separate. And I mean, they even say that to you. I can remember an oblivion, Armand Christophe saying, I don't know the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of like, you say something like collective oriented, like, oh, where do we get started? He's like, what do you mean? Go steal stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but uh, she makes people simp for her, so she kinda gets around it.


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[Assistant] I was just gonna say, and she doesn't seem to have a, a good hold on all of her artifacts. Things keep getting taken from her. The eye of Nocturnal, you know, her cow. You know, like, people just see, the skeleton key. It just seems like, uh, she almost wants to be stolen from sometimes.


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[Assistant] And like more conniving and self interested than people kind of got the impression.


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[Assistant] It also depends on the time scale as well, like we can't be in their head, I suppose. So like, it could be that really chill, immortal thing of like, uh, my skeleton key was stolen. Usually that comes back to me in like, what, a few human years or like, a few decades, that's nothing, like.


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[Assistant] I'm just another thing as well with joining the Thieves Guild and being individual. A lot of people, like any faction in real life or in games, will join it just cause they wanna


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[Assistant] You know, Sapphire has this horrible life, like there's all kinds of outcasts and downtrodden people who just, you know, got dealt a bad hand that would end up in a guild like that.


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[Assistant] And anyone who starts trying to be a thief will get wrapped into that too. Like in one of the stories you can read, you know, someone starts off being a thief, they get visited from the thieves guild who basically, like a member basically saying, you know, you're going to join our guild or I'm going to break both of your arms. And it's like,


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[Assistant] It's really good if you join and it's like that, that monopoly, but, you know, what else are you gonna do?


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[Assistant] Function. Yeah, I mean Skyrim had some really good characters, like everyone likes Delvin, like as much as he has that kind of like uhm. Cockney English accent? No, I was gonna say creepy, creepy old dude vibe in terms of like, you know, he's basically like vex-bathing and yeah, he's like faggot.


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[Assistant] It is, it is weird. I think you mentioned in one of your videos, Scott, that uhm, why would someone in the Morag Tong, which is like a very principled and like, they actually have a very strong sense of tradition end up in the Thieves Guild? Like it is quite strange. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, you can always come up with stories as to why. And there's that other character, I forget his name, but he, he actually, there you go, he basically joined because he was bored of the routine. He was like, I think it was like wealthy family had this beautiful wife that he was like engaged to.


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[Assistant] Or married to, and then he was like, no, I'm out.


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[Assistant] Why would you go to Skyrim then? Cause I don't know. Worst thieves guild to go to.


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[Assistant] All these rumors of their bad luck, which I find the timing of it a little bit strange if you read the book.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it just didn't feel like that. I know I'm saying that's what it says in the source and stuff, but like, yeah, when I actually play it, it doesn't feel like that. And I guess the other members around who


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[Assistant] Who, some can seem newer, you don't know how long they've been there, and they can even mention kinda how the guild's like, you know, down on its luck, and it just feels like this like...


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[Assistant] Like he would break in not just, um, to escape jail, not break in, get arrested, not just to escape jail, but he'd even be sent in to like kill people in jails. Yeah. Or break. Because he knew how to get out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or like rescue people and like all kinds of stuff. Yeah, the Thieves Guild has a bunch of cool characters in pretty much, you know, all the games.


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[Assistant] They're done, they're done pretty well and I like in Skyrim how you can kind of like expand the guild with like the different shopkeepers and


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[Assistant] I mean, there you go, that's another reason people do join the guild. Like, you can, it's easy to say pooled resources, but if you think about like all the fences, especially in a, like, well actually it's in Skyrim 2, they're distributed all around the place, you can go sell your stolen goods to, you get all these contacts given to you.


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[Assistant] Um, like there's the whole shadow mark system in Skyrim where people can leave kind of like little symbolic messages saying this is empty or this is full of loot. One thing I wish they did


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[Assistant] Yeah, the thing is, I never had a moment where I was sneaking around, saw a shadow mark, and then as designed was like, oh, I'm gonna skip out on this place because it's empty. Or like, oh, I'm gonna go in here because it's filled with loot. And by the way, unless, like, they do leave, uhm, caches and stuff for members out in the wilderness who are thieves.


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[Assistant] But in general, who marks a place as filled with loot but doesn't take it? It's like...


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[Assistant] Yeah. Oh, I went in here and there were some really good necklaces in the drawers, but uhm, I left them there.


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[Assistant] It's true. If you, if you look at some of the fences in Skyrim, like I can remember all of the fences from Oblivion. Do you know why? Besides the fact that they were nostalgic because I was a kid, but you had to go and talk to them.


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[Assistant] Because you had to fence certain amount of gold between missions to unlock the next one. Whereas in Skyrim, you don't really, it doesn't really weigh on you, but you actually do unlock heaps of these cool fences, like all around the place, like Golemire's a fence, and Theory's a fence. But you just don't have to use them.


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[Assistant] And like, especially with the shopkeepers who are in the guild hall who will buy stolen goods, your incentive is quite low.


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[Assistant] That is a recurring theme with Skyrim and Oblivion. I will say at least the Dark Brotherhood does end with you killing the Emperor, whereas in Oblivion the Dark Brotherhood just ends with like, meeting the Night Mother in the cavern and like, exposing the traitor. The ending's not as good, but like the meat of it's better.


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[Assistant] In Skyrim, the Thieves Guild is like, do Maven's little thing, and then you're quickly thrown into the internal politics and dungeon crawling with Mercer and Carlire and the rest of it. I mean, it's the same in the Companions. Besides the Radiant quest, you go do one quest, you come back, you're in the inner circle, you're now doing the whole werewolf thing.


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[Assistant] And even in the Dark Brotherhood, you literally go and help Murie, who, by the way, I was playing last night and hearing Astrid go, I just really don't like the pronunciation, but it's Mu-ee-ree, or Mu-air-ee, but it was like, I was just like,


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[Assistant] Really? Like Muri just flows way better, but anyway, you do that and then you're straight away thrown into the whole Emperor plot where you find out you're the listener straight away.


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[Assistant] Uhm, from the- the night mother literally speaks to you, and then you go off to meet, uhm, Motier in Volunruud, and then he tells you, he just tells you, we're gonna kill the Emperor, here's the plan, you're gonna go to the- like, it's all kinda- Skyrim's pretty rife.


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[Assistant] Brinyolf is just, yeaah, like he's not thiefy feeling at all. Like, I like his character. No, like I really do. It's just funny cause like, when you're going through the ruins with him, I can't imagine having have gone on like stealth missions with Brinyolf. He does seem like this like, large Nord dude.


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[Assistant] Sheet Mage, like this big like sage cat, looking like Garfield with


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[Assistant] If they shoved them in between, and also didn't randomize them, so you wouldn't just get like, you know, two...


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[Assistant] Similar jobs in a, like, or let you pick the jobs, sorry.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like if it was kind of set and each one felt a little bit less radiant, they could have been designed the same, just feel less radiant and you kind of know like, oh, I'm fencing goods right now, like kind of going to get things to...


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[Assistant] That's why it is, it is funny cause if you look at the dark brotherhood, they actually did a similar thing where they had assassination contracts on the side. At least they were spaced in the middle, which is good.


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[Assistant] They weren't really part of the main, like they felt like they were designed as this kind of side thing to do.


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[Assistant] Like you would go to Nazir, he'd give you contracts, which weren't particularly amazing, right? Like a lot of them was like, oh, you have to kill this beggar who's sad because his sister's dead and he's in the middle of nowhere, so there's no guards who are gonna catch you.


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[Assistant] And their first quest has you go off to kill Alain Defon. Cool quest, but it may as well have just been given to you by like, a Jarl. Go kill this bandit who stole this heirloom. It's not like a stealthy environment.


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[Assistant] Next quest is listening to Cicero talk to the coffin while you're in it, like that's a whole quest. And then you meet Motier, that's also a whole quest.


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[Assistant] Just meeting him and then it's all into like, you know, assassinate Petoravici, that kind of area next, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they do the same similar stuff in all the guilds, so.


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[Assistant] I'll just quickly, I'll just before you get started Scott, I will say they did have the litany, a litany of last name, whatever it was called, objectives in Skyrim where you could steal these extra things during their main quests in the thieves guild, like the Dwemer puzzle cube and like,


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[Assistant] But if you have an objective where they're like fence 300 gold, you have those moments where you sneak into the weapons store and you take three steel swords, a helmet and a set of boots. Cause you know, you're going to go sell that to achieve the objective. It's not, it's not just, will it make me rich? Is it worth it?


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[Assistant] It's all just a pacing, you know, you've got one here and one here and you know, it should kind of be like, like this. Yeah. You know, like it, it's a pacing thing and it didn't help not having ranks either.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because the ranks are cool because they kind of make up part of the lore as well. You know, like knowing that foot pad is a rank is kind of cool. And, um, Brynjolf even mentions that. I'm pretty sure it's the foot pad rank. He goes like, oh, you know, despite this and that you're better than half the snot-nosed foot pads that have come through here. And it's like, so there are


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[Assistant] It all actually depends, I think, on how Starfield performs.


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[Assistant] Like, um, if Starfield actually just is, let's just hope and pray, like some 10 out of 10 game, right? Like, or nine out of 10, right? And everyone loves it. And then they put in some things you can buy and people don't really mind because the game's really good. Then Bethesda will just think, well, as long as Elder Scrolls 6 is good, we can do this and that.


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[Assistant] And that is what's dangerous about Elder Scrolls games specifically, or RPGs in general, and that's why I really don't want it at all, is like you said in your video, Drew, like ages ago,


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[Assistant] Anything they put in a store could be in the game as something to find, whether it's on a quest, buy from a shopkeeper. You know what I mean? Like they're assets that could be in the world already. It depends what it is. I'm most open to DLC. Like if they're like, here's this whole Solstheim thing.


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. Give me, give me unlimited of that and I'll be-


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[Assistant] Maybe they're in a deal with Nocturnal. Maybe. Although they haven't been having the best luck lately. Sounds like, uh, someone stole the skeleton key.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think you'd end up going through a lot of the cool characters, because, I mean, there are a lot of cool characters, but that's the thing, it would just become like-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I will say I like Delvin and I really like that he has all those tie-ins to the Dark Brotherhood and also that if you think about it, he's kind of responsible for like, uh, this might be an exaggeration to say half, but like heaps of the members in the Thieves Guild having joined because they knew him from somewhere.


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[Assistant] So that was really cool, yeaah. For those who don't know, Sapphire is the brunette chick you often see walking around Riften who's, uh,


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[Assistant] Not to stick up for it, but you can see a lot of those characters, why they're like that when you hear about their upbringing.


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[Assistant] Thanks everyone for watching, uhm, we'll probably have a longer podcast next time I think.


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[Assistant] But anyway, thanks for tuning in. Social media links are in the description below and uh, we'll see you next time.


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[Assistant] You know, he's like, he's all about overcoming obstacles, being the best you can be, and if you wanna be Bwiffia's champion, you gotta like, kill everyone around, and, you know, don't bootlick, you gotta prove yourself. That's Bwiffia.


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[Assistant] There are a lot of texts where they use both pronouns in the same text as well. Yeah, it is kind of cool. I think Boifi is one of the ones who is coolest when they're embracing both, like, depending on the scheme or plot that's happening and, you know, how, it's kind of like Mephala. It can be beneficial to appear as people want to see you, whether that be female or male.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I don't want to get too metaphysical too early, but it's interesting when you're talking about the connection with Lorcan. Like, there's a lot of relationship between, boy, if you're in Lorcan, there's even like, uhm, the Khajiit call, the, uhm, Ebony Mail, the death shroud of Lorcan.


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[Assistant] But what's interesting is when you kind of look at Boethiah's teachings to the Kaima, there are a lot of similarities with the Elven Aurel, you know, the idea of escaping or transcending mortality in the mortal realm.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I know obviously Lorcan's test, the, the Sigic Endeavour is kind of like that too, but it's weird how it does overlap with the way the elves see Auriel. It is about,


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[Assistant] Proving yourself beyond mortality, I guess the difference is, maybe Bwiffia didn't really like the idea that elves were just looking backwards and feeling sorry for themselves. Instead, they're supposed to embrace their challenge.


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[Assistant] At the end of the day, Bwifia's goal with this dealing with Trinimac was


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[Assistant] Was purely to prove that, you know, Trinamac is called the Paragon. He's like the perfect example of what you should aspire to be. Whereas Bwiffy is saying, no, don't like, you know, don't just kneel and worship gods and do nothing for yourself. Prove yourself to be a god. So in a sense,


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[Assistant] If Malakoff is saying it's too literal-minded, you can almost imagine it like the saying we have, we're like, oh, get shit on, bro. Like, you know, you're having an argument and he beats down Trinamax ideas, and that's essentially him, like, you know.


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[Assistant] He's just like, beating him in the, uh, in the field of ideas, but at the same time, it's moreific era, so you never know, it could be literal.


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[Assistant] Well again, and another thing is ESO.


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[Assistant] Uh, I think, makes it canon that essentially her, um, her arch-rival is Molag Bal, and I was thinking about that a bit, and it kind of makes sense that out of all the Daedric Princes for, but we fear to hate, it would be Molag Bal, because even though he's strong,


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[Assistant] There's two things, really, he does for mortals. Either one, he enslaves them and takes away all their free will and their ability to, to achieve the sigic endeavour or whatever, uhm, or he's giving them


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[Assistant] The tribunal betraying um, Nerevar and tapping the heart of Lorcan because really everything about that process kind of aligns with what Boethius teaching them.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And at the same time, you know, after I said, uhm, tapping the heart of Lorcan would kind of potentially suit Boethiah, uhm, I can't remember what source it's from, I think it's from ESO as well, but actually no, no, it's not, it's not, it's uhm, but there's a quote that's, it's from the Five Songs of Wolfarth, it says, Nerevar is the son of Boethiah, one of the strongest padamaics, which, I don't know, when I think of Nerevar, it's, it's kind of,


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[Assistant] It's br- it's, it's almost restoring order a lot of the time, you know, like in his life Inderil Nerevar was very much in charge and he was kind of like looking after the, uh, looking after his people and keeping them alive and whatnot and when he returns it's to kind of,


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[Assistant] As a way to try and kind of reconcile that with a topic, it's like, you know, when you look at it through Boethius' eyes of, uhm, the Anuic forces, like Ophirius and the Divine. So say for example, Akatosh is being driven insane by the sheer undertaking of maintaining time, and then Ophirius is where Magnus, despite being this brilliant god of magic who's created the sun,


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[Assistant] He ran away from this, this kind of daunting prospect of creating the mortal realm, whereas you've got Meridia, who, uhm, what's the term, consorted with illicit spectra, which is referring to Lorcan. So Meridia, despite, excuse me, all her kin running away, potentially fell in love with Lorcan.


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[Assistant] And as a result, she got to create her own realm of her- she got to create her coloured rooms, and she gets to be a part of the mortal realm, and she's- it's very dynamic, and you could say, like, as you said, with will equals love, her willing herself to-


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause like, you know, as another example, if you don't have passion when you're say like creating something, you know, like a...


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[Assistant] I don't know, like Fallout 76 or something. You just make something, you just make something crappy. If you, if you don't love, if you're not in love with the process and you're kind of just doing it for some other reason, like Keqing or something like that, that, you know, that's just a random example, but you know, that's what, so Buifia would never have allowed it to happen.


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[Assistant] Yeah, with the Khajiit mythos kind of coming into it, it really does amplify just how much Bwiffia is


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[Assistant] In the nature of her sphere means that she's constantly in conflict with other deities. And you know, you've obviously got the conflict with Trinimac that we all know. But then, just in the few sources we have from the Khajiit stories,


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[Assistant] She fights Molag Bal, Meridia, and Mehrunes Dagon when they assault the Lunalattis. She pried out Magris' eyes, as you said. She fought Noctra to-


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[Assistant] But yea, it's weird, it's also weird about Nerevar because, you know, even if you look at it through the Khajiit perspective, you've got Mephala and Boephora being mates. So the, and, and if, you know, if Bo, if Nerevar is the son of Boephora, then Azura is the only one


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[Assistant] I'm potentially not involved in the creation of Neravah, yet, you know, the tie between Azura and Neravah is so strong.


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[Assistant] I was gonna change the subject. Oh, I was just saying that.


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[Assistant] But if you're as well tied to a different race altogether, which I'll, I'll say now, this is completely conjecture and it's like, you know, don't take this too seriously anyone, but.


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[Assistant] It's kind of interesting when you look at the Falmore and the Old Merry Dominion in the Forfarer.


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[Assistant] I can almost imagine that once the Falmoor took over they were really radical compared to the kind of contemporaries and the long lineages of monarchs. And I can almost imagine that they've looked at their Anuic ideals of trying to kind of keep their purity in return.


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[Assistant] I actually hadn't thought about that connection. Because I remember we were kind of, like, it is a little bit jarring to see the high elves, especially in the forefare, when you imagine them being very, you know, in favour of the aedra.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because they do need Boeifia more than ever now, if they're to come back from their current predicament, because, you know, as far as we know, the Argonians are still running rampant in the, in south and central Morrowind. Then again, maybe Vivette could have just summoned a tidal wave and washed them all back to Black Marsh, and then they'd be set without Boeifia's help.


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[Assistant] Yeah, with the Khajiit, the links between Lorcan and Azura, they're, they're strong, but it's never, that kind of, um, idea is never really brought up by the Danma. Yeah. Um, I don't want to get this wrong, but I'm, I'm fairly sure with the Khajiit, you know, Azura is obviously,


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[Assistant] Essentially helped him survive that and pulled the darkness out of his heart and all of, all of that stuff. So you could, her importance to Lorcan and I guess you could say to the good Daedra is clear there, but you don't really hear it said much in Kyma and Dunmer mythology.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard to, it's hard to take, but if you're out of the tribunal, like, sorry, the good Deidre.


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[Assistant] You know, just thinking about it, once again, I'm going back to Azura, but I feel like the, um, the, the canon Nerevarine should be a Khajiit.


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[Assistant] It re- it really should if you look at it through the, um, the elsewhere mythology, cause you, you know, as, as I was saying, you got Azura kind of pulling the darkness out of Lorcan's heart, and obviously the Khajiit are her people, so maybe a Khajiit needs to come along and kind of...


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[Assistant] I mean, theoretically though, a dragon would have a lot of trouble scratching any scale on its back, right? With its anatomy and its claws.


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[Assistant] I remember playing that at the very start when it came out and it was very messy back then. They've done a lot to it since then.


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[Assistant] Our old mate, Zarek is the ultimate Elder Scrolls boomer. We got a little while to go before


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think for me, the problem there is obviously, as you said, uhm, the reason it initially manifested like that is because they just wanted to use a Cell of the Deadlands with Boethiah's statue in it, and ESO kind of like decided not to go too far against that.


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[Assistant] But I actually feel like there would be a good way that you could reconcile this law that was based around a limitation.


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[Assistant] And not have it just be the Deadlands. And in that, it's like, you know, if the idea is that


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[Assistant] Boethiah's realm is just like a place for a tour- a battle royale or a tournament or something like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, then he can kind of adjust it to, you know, you can make the arena look like whatever you want, like using a field spell in Yu-Gi-Oh or something like that. Uhm, and just like change it up. Rather than having it just be another place with lava oceans and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure. Anything to do with the law. Scott, Scott, Michael's got you there. He's essentially, he's essentially eaten you and shat you out. You are Trinamac. Turn Malakab after that one.


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[Assistant] That's just good news anyway. Let's not have periodic realm just be another ocean of lava.


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[Assistant] Sion. Sion. Shit. Alright boys, I'm retiring. You're out.


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[Assistant] Having the demonic face helps, cause it's like, Skyrim's Daedric armor isn't really scary, it's just, you know, it's cool but it's not scary.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet, I'm Scott here with Michael Drew as always and today's topic is all about the Ancient Darkness, the Daedric Prince of Revulsion, Nomira. So which one of you guys is gonna start us off?


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[Assistant] I wonder if that's exactly like, I don't know if I entirely agree with that, just cause it depends on the take of the people. Like, one thing we should establish real quick too, is that like,


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[Assistant] Um, Numeira's mythology and, and all of the lore surrounding her has evolved a lot with the Elder Scrolls Online. And I know like there's some Elder Scrolls Online.


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[Assistant] And even the Kojima mythology too, she's really associated almost with


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[Assistant] The great darkness outside, but almost sort of makes her seem like the void, like there's these like in the, for example, in, in the Richmond story, uh, mythology, you basically have, there's the great darkness and then in it, Lorc, which is just Lorcan.