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[Assistant] And Rick told investigators that yes, he was very much involved with Julie. They'd been dating for a few months at that point.


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[Assistant] And they spent a lot of time at his apartment after she separated from Chris. Like I said, I think she spent nights there when it was Chris's turn to use their house. Yea, of course, which she's allowed to do, they're separated. Yea, of course, and she doesn't have an apartment yet, so where else is she gonna go? Yea.


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[Assistant] Rick said that Chris hadn't exactly acted threateningly toward Julie when he was there, like he never saw any instance of that, but he did seem to pop up pretty much any time Rick and Julie were out together. Anywhere they went, Chris also seemed to be there.


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[Assistant] One night when they were spending the night at Julie's home, Rick actually woke up to Chris shaking his feet.


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[Assistant] Okay. So, uh, Rick didn't wait around to find out what the hell Chris was doing and why he was there. He simply gathered up his stuff and got out of there. Which that reaction says a lot.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That says, I'm, I don't want to deal with this man. I know where this is going. I've probably dealt with this before or something similar and I'm not doing it tonight. Well, and he probably knew there's kids in the house and I'm not going to create a disruption. Create this huge disruption in the middle of the night because this guy's a crazy person. Exactly.


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[Assistant] She believed, obviously, that Chris Little had put it there, which explained how he was popping up everywhere she went with Rick. He was stalking them, and stalking her.


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[Assistant] Chris's own therapist said that Chris had told her the day Julie and Rick left on their trip to go to St. Lucia was, quote, the worst day of his life, and later testified about that in court.


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[Assistant] Wow. So for him to say that he was, he later says that like it was fine that she moved on and she made her choice and you know, while I'm so upset about it, I respect her decisions and la di da do. It's like, no you didn't. No, you definitely didn't. You were checking her clothes for semen first of all. What the?


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[Assistant] So detectives leaning more into their investigation of Chris then attempted to track his movements on the night of the 911 call leading up to it. This is where things really get interesting.


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[Assistant] They were able to find surveillance footage from a gas station off of highway 407 not far from their home.


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[Assistant] As one does. Yeah, that's usually when you do that. And the footage along with all the other evidence that we've gone over led them to being pretty confident that Chris Little was their man. Yeah. He wasn't ready to accept that his marriage was over and wasn't willing to let anyone have Julie if he couldn't. And Paula unfortunately seemed to be collateral damage.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it was just a more, a punishment for Rick and...


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[Assistant] Now luckily, like I said, he was arrested the same day this happened. And he was arrested on two counts of first degree murder. And the pretrial phase began on April 27th, 2009.


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[Assistant] The judge overseeing the case did have some qualms with some of the evidence found, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] Justice, uh, Michelle first claimed that Chris Little's rights had been violated when the York regional police searched the basement of the home where they found the video of Chris assaulting Julie. I'm sorry, this stuff goes up my ass. It goes up my ass too. I understand it's legal shit and it's, you know, constitution and all that stuff and your rights and blah blah blah blah. But it's like,


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[Assistant] Then he is very much capable of murdering her, and I think that should be included. Thank you. But I understand that I can't because law, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, she also would not allow interview testimony from several of Paula's friends commenting on how optimistic she was in the weeks leading up to her death.


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[Assistant] The judge's ruling on this matter was with the defense when they argued that Paula made those comments to individuals who quote, were not someone with whom she had a history of discussing personal matters.


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[Assistant] So basically, because the prosecution couldn't prove that Paula had deep conversations about her feelings with these people in the past, there was no way to prove that she was being truthful when she made positive comments.


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[Assistant] That's a wild one. It's just like, really around the, I don't know. Alright. Like okay. Sure. Cool.


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[Assistant] So the jury selection was finished by late September of 2009. Remember, this happened in 2007. This has been going on at this point for two years. And the trial started on the 23rd of September, same year.


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[Assistant] The co-prosecutor for the Crown, Michael Dempster, I believe that's how you say it, I did look it up, I hope I'm saying it right. He laid out his case in opening arguments telling the jury that Christopher Little killed his wife out of jealousy and then killed Paula to frame her for Julie's murder.


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[Assistant] He explained Chris could not accept that his marriage was over, wouldn't accept that Julie had moved on, and he presented evidence to the jury showing that Chris had been spying on Julie for several months and had been tracking her movements with her new boyfriend Rick Ralph.


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[Assistant] So he argued that Julie's independence and this step to move even further from her strange husband


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[Assistant] The prosecution's private theory was that Chris kidnapped Paula to murder her in the home and make it look like she was the one to kill Julie because of the jealousy, la-dee-da-doo.


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[Assistant] But Demsir knew he could prove that and he knew he could prove this to the jury based on all the evidence, but he also knew that this was a bit of a confusing story to digest and that the jury might find the plot convoluted. So he was like, you know, I'm not sure if that's the way I want to go.


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[Assistant] It's so crazy that you have to think about that in these scenarios.


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[Assistant] So instead of speculating on Chris's intentions or even his state of mind, he just wanted the jury to focus on evidence. And he told them quote, the police found a crumpled photograph of her with Rick Ralph kissing in front of a pool in St. Lucia. Chris's therapist will testify that Chris told her the day Julie left for St. Lucia was the worst day of his life.


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[Assistant] Later that day, Rick Ralph was called to testify for the prosecution, and he told the jury about all of the times where Chris showed up while he and Julie were out with one another. He was able to talk about that GPS tracker that Julie had found on her car.


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[Assistant] And that she knew was put there by Chris. So overall, the prosecution was pretty successful in attempting to prove their case. But of course, we know the defense still had their chance. Of course.


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[Assistant] John Rosen was Chris Little's defense attorney, and he told the jury,


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's pretty unfortunate for him because his TV cannot


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[Assistant] The only reason the lawyer said that Chris had even gone to the house in the first place, this is ridiculous, absolutely fucking ridiculous, was because he needed some clothes for a work trip that he was going on the next morning.


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[Assistant] You know, because 3am is a pretty normal time to pack your bag at your estranged wife's house, even though you have the entire rest of the day to do so. Wow.


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[Assistant] He just had to go there at 3am to clean the clothes. Yea, absolutely. Yea, that makes total sense. And he also argued that his client had been on surveillance, surveillance, I can never say that right. I know, it is hard to say. It is. He argued that that's, he had been on the surveillance cleaning the car because he was really just being thoughtful.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you, cause everybody cleans their fucking car at two in the morning. Yeah, absolutely. He argued that Paula was the real killer.


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[Assistant] And that she was quote, a desperate jealous wife who killed her rival and then in despair hanged herself.


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[Assistant] Wow. He focused on Paula's diary, which was an interesting choice because he said there was evidence within it that showed that Paula was quote, tormented by a failed relationship with a philandering husband. And he told the jurors that they might hear that Paula was moving on and maybe she was optimistic, optimistic, but really she was quote, in crisis and in turmoil.


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[Assistant] He said the happy face was how she was able to go out and drink with her friends and party before she quote, came home to the reality of her empty home on the day of the murders. And then was basically trying to say like she had gone out partying and drinking, she came home, she was upset, she was alone and she thought, you know what, let me go kill my husband's girlfriend, my ex-husband's new girlfriend.


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[Assistant] Like, that is, it's so vile that they put these things on. It is. Like, it's so vile. And I understand, like, you have a job to do, but sometimes the lengths that people will go to, you're like,


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[Assistant] So the next week of the trial was where the jurors heard testimony from first responders and from family and friends of both victims. Responding officers Michael Mulvill and Stephanie Hunter testified about the crime scene while the jury was also presented with photos of both women which showed how they were discovered.


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[Assistant] But the defense wanted them to believe that she had cut a woman's throat nearly to the point of decapitation. Makes sense. And got out of that with not a literal single drop of blood on her. I can't even stress that point enough because it's fucking ridiculous. And it's like reasonable doubt to the extreme. Like, to the nth degree. Yea, to another galaxy. Crazy.


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[Assistant] Casco then reminded them, and this is.


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[Assistant] This is one of my favorite parts of this case, because it's like, you fucked yourself. You thought that you were so, like, above this, you were the mastermind of this all, and this little technicality right here, if I was sitting on the jury and heard this, I would've been like, boom.


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[Assistant] He reminded the jury to think about a 40 second period between Little entering the home from the garage and making it up to the bedroom. In that time, he is on the phone with 911. Closes the front door.


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[Assistant] Takes off his shoes, hangs his jacket, then goes upstairs to the bedroom where he found Julie.


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[Assistant] For one thing, who does that after discovering a hang stranger in their garage? Yeah. And secondly, in those 40 seconds, he told the dispatcher that there was blood all over the place.


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[Assistant] But he would have said that before he ever entered the bedroom. They timed it. There was no possible way that when he said there was blood all over the place, he'd even been to the bedroom. So how would he know that if he wasn't the one that killed


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[Assistant] Killed his wife. What an actual idiot. Costco asked the jury and then answered the question for them.


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[Assistant] Because he killed her. Yeah. He had seen the blood already. If I was sitting on that journey at that point in time, I'd be like, boom, case closed. Yeah. How do you argue with that? Case fucking closed. How do you argue with that? I have no idea. Cause you didn't see any blood in the garage. No. So you're not talking about that? Nope.


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[Assistant] Absolutely fucking ridiculous. So ultimately Chris's trial went on for two months. By the end of those two months, the jurors, spectators, the press heard from a lot of witnesses. They heard from responding officers, the medical examiner, Rick Ralph, Paula's family, Julie's family, plenty of people.


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[Assistant] And Chris Little was the complete opposite of these two women. He was jilted and he couldn't let go of what was already gone. So he wanted revenge and in his mind wanted to win.


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[Assistant] Yeah. But he fucking lost. He lost big time. As the trial neared an end, Chris Little decided to actually take the stand and testify in his own defense. That's usually not a good idea. It was not.


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[Assistant] Thankfully, he told the jury that he was innocent and that he and Julie, quote, had all in all a good relationship. We were a good team together.


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[Assistant] I don't blame Julie, she was just not sure what she wanted. And that he, quote, wanted the opportunity to see if we could get past that.


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[Assistant] But that it was Julie who took the chance away from him when she chose Rick over him. It was as simple as that.


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[Assistant] Now, in his closing arguments it is, Chris' lawyer reminded the jury that the Crown's case was built on completely circumstantial evidence and speculation.


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[Assistant] He told them, there's no smoking gun and asked, quote, where's the boiling, roiling


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[Assistant] I don't know, boiling, roiling is such a stupid thing to say. It is very stupid. Cauldron of angst, anger, depression and humiliation.


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[Assistant] And finally told the jury that if there was even a hint of reasonable doubt in their minds, that they had an obligation to acquit his client. They don't have it. I don't. I'm predicting here, but they don't have it. I don't have it. Cause I don't hear it. No one has it. No.


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[Assistant] In the prosecution's closing arguments, they acknowledged that of course there were lingering questions and some unknowns when it came to this sequence of events that night of the murders.


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[Assistant] No one had seen anybody coming or going from Paula's home that night.


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[Assistant] They had simply speculated, yes, that it was Chris who kidnapped her, but reminded the jury, quote, he needed someone to blame for the murder of his wife, someone who he mistakenly believed had the same motive for killing his wife.


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[Assistant] And though their evidence was circumstantial, it was abundant and showed a man who was obsessed and unwilling to let go. So in those closing arguments, Casco actually referenced a letter that Chris had sent Julie a couple weeks before she was killed.


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[Assistant] Wow. But I thought you just said that you were willing to let her go. I was just going to say, wait a second. She made her choice. You said she chose Rick and you understood and respect that and just hoped that someday you could be friends. You just hoped. But you just sat here and said, no, I won't move on. I'm where I am is completely and totally in love with you. Yeah, obviously.


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[Assistant] Might as well be litter. Guilty on both counts of first degree murder. Good. Motherfucker was going to prison. Bye. The verdict was an end to two years of hell uncertainty and an opening of wounds for both of the victims' families. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Paula's twin sister Carolina told the reporters, quote, it won't bring Paula back and we're going to miss her every single day, but Chris paid for what he did. Hell yea I did. And she and her family were satisfied with the jury's decision.


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[Assistant] Now, Julie and Paula's loved ones were able to read victim impact statements on November 30th, 2009. And this is heartbreaking. Paula's mother Monica told the court how almost 34 years ago, she and her husband


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[Assistant] Paula's question- Paula's murder would make her always question that decision.


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[Assistant] No, that's not what that was. But it's terrible that she has to live every day of the rest of her life because of this motherfucker. This little tiny man. And I just want to be like, no, no, no, like it's because this


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[Assistant] It's so true. And this is even more heartbreaking. Paula's sister, her twin sister, Karolina, told the court how she had been pregnant and had actually gone into labor on the morning of her sister's murder, saying quote,


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[Assistant] You know what though, there's this like, I don't know if it's an old Irish saying. It is. I think it is. It's like when one person leaves, another person comes in. And that happened to you? It's like you open the door and yeah, it happened to us on, um, on our side when the girls were born. It's so true. And it's, and it's obviously.


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[Assistant] Giving birth and having that be like one of the most amazing things to happen in your life and all the hormones coursing throughout your body and then you get the news that this happened to your twin sister.


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[Assistant] But honestly, he should have fu- I don't- like, it doesn't matter, but you should have got up and apologized to these families. Oh, it's- yeah, it's a total double-edged sword with those things, cause it's like-


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[Assistant] Now after all the statements were read, Justice Michelle Fierst addressed Little and commented on his callousness for robbing his and Julie's two children of a mother, saying quote,


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[Assistant] She said robbing your children of their mothers love, you slashed the throat of the woman you professed to love so severely that her head almost came off.


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[Assistant] As for Ms. Menendez, you saw to it that the pain you inflicted increased a thousandfold when you publicly labeled her a homicidal, suicidal maniac day after day in this court. Paula Menendez was truly an innocent player.


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[Assistant] In a production cast and staged by you and you alone. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] And that's honestly the part that gets me too, is like, this whole thing is tragic on every level. But Paula?


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[Assistant] So she's this like great person who's mature and healthy and ready to move forward. And you're painting her as so far the opposite that you can't. It's, uh, it's just incredible. You're painting her to be the monster that you are. You take responsibility.


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[Assistant] That you strangled her with a ligature and then hung her in, like, and hung her out there in this, like, horrifying degrading way.


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[Assistant] And then further just disparage her character after you brutally murdered her and hung her and like out to, out to be a murderer. And not to mention, what if your two kids did wake up? What if they saw that and they would never get through that? That image and that


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[Assistant] That entire image would be burned in their brains for the rest of their lives. Forever changing them as human beings. If you can do that, you're not a father. You're not.


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[Assistant] If you can do that to their mother and you can do that while they're home, absolutely not. And to another innocent woman. And to exactly- And then pin it on her? Like what the f-


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[Assistant] There is clearly no love for those children and no love for that woman, no real pure love for that woman. No. And to be able to disparage somebody after you have brutally murdered them just like he was able to, it's like, what the fuck is wrong with these men? Seriously.


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[Assistant] Seriously. It's funny that you say, not funny, it's just ironic that you say that because the whole time I was putting this case together, I kept thinking of Chris Watts. And we've been, a lot of people have wanted us to cover Chris Watts, I'm not covering Chris Watts. No, because he likes when people cover him. He likes the coverage and I, I can't even look at that case.


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[Assistant] Even think of those children and what that poor woman had to go through. We try not to cover things where children are the victims a lot of the time.


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[Assistant] Too brutal for me. That's just something that is probably not going to happen.


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[Assistant] So after she sentenced Chris to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 25 years, which was the maximum sentence allowed under Canadian law. I was going to say that's stupid. He shouldn't have parole. I know he shouldn't, but Canada. She told him that he was quote, cowardly vicious and deserving of the most severe punishment that their law permits. Good.


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[Assistant] So he began serving his sentence at a maximum security prison in Ontario, but he was transferred to a medium security prison in the summer of 2012 when the original prison that he was in was closing down.


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[Assistant] And they said the move felt like it was a slap in the face to them. Yeah. But they were told that the decision was based on quote, the degree of control needed to protect the public staff offender and the security of the institution and availability of the appropriate programs and services.


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[Assistant] It's a technicality. Yeah, I was just gonna say that's a very fancy way of saying like, it's a technicality. Exactly. And no, and they said in no way was it meant to be a reflection of the crimes that he'd committed. Yeah, but it kind of is. Where you are should be a reflection of the crimes you committed. Exactly. Ridiculous.


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[Assistant] You can't claim that when the judge actually left evidence out. Because they felt like, yeaah. Like she did her due diligence there. Yeaah. The request was denied and the original sentence was upheld. Bye. Rot. In prison. Yes. You sick fuck.


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[Assistant] Because no matter what, I'm assuming that parole will be denied each time. I would think. I mean come on. I would think.


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[Assistant] Brutally murdered two women, including the mother of his children that he literally almost decapitated on the floor of their bedroom. Yeah, but then you have to think about like, um,


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[Assistant] Yep. And with all that being said, oof, we thank you for listening, we hope you keep listening, and we hope you keep it weird. But never this fucking weird. You will never get away with murder. Don't be this Chris. I hate you. Not Chris.


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[Assistant] I had to bring everything from my house and I don't cook. You cook.


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[Assistant] She thought I wanted the bottom one, so then she got those and then I was like, I think she wants wings, so then she had to go back and get wings, so we have that too.


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[Assistant] I've never been there either. You want to introduce yourself?


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[Assistant] You saw what she taught me. I wasn't good. She was just like, she gave me the best she could. I just, I can't.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't think you're going to make any progress. Maybe when the drinks get here.


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[Assistant] Then I'll be like, yeah, we could loosen up. Maybe. But I've never really touched raw chicken in my life.


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[Assistant] Never really touched a raw chicken. I see online people, oh my god.


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[Assistant] It's been fun, it's been real. I'm glad I brought the big one. Yeah, we finna fry these wings up. I'm gonna be honest, I've never fried anything. I don't know how, so you're teaching me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's concerning. I actually wonder why it's not organic.


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[Assistant] I want, you know, it's like an energy drink. It's so good.


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[Assistant] I feel like that was like my shampoo and conditioner. I don't want it to be clean. I use Pantene.


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[Assistant] Oh, I wish. I would love them to pay me. I'm so serious. Let me see your season.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Okay. I've never heard of this in my life.


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[Assistant] Okay. What does it taste like? Okay. This is spicy.


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[Assistant] No, my grandma didn't teach me. She barely speaks English. Well, she's not alive, but she didn't teach any of her kids Spanish, so they all don't speak any.


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[Assistant] So she did not teach a single kid. You don't know the saddest story ever.


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[Assistant] Miha, these people left this note on my car. What does it say? And I looks at it.


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[Assistant] And I was like, oh grandma, it just says like, have a good day. It said, cause she couldn't read at all.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I didn't want to ask her because I didn't want her to know what the note said. I just wanted her to be blissfully unaware because that was so mean.


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[Assistant] She would have, that would have been so heartbreaking, I don't even know, and it's just sad she genuinely could not read and did not know what the note said.


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[Assistant] Thank you. I'm just not thinking too much into it and it's fine. My hands look amazing. Oh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've never made food and had it look like this after. Usually it looks the same, because you can't really see salt.


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[Assistant] She doesn't make food at all, so she'll just be, she'll be offended though.


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[Assistant] I swear to god, Lexi, I'm allergic to these


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[Assistant] I went with Suki to a place in Atlanta, what was it called, Blue Flame.


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[Assistant] That was my first time ever going to one. And uhm, she,


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[Assistant] We had food there and it was so good. She got me lemon pepper wings.


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[Assistant] They were really good and I think about them a lot, but... We could have gotten some lemon and pepper and put them on these. That would have been good. That would have been good. I feel like this is going to be good too.


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[Assistant] I like that. Did you coin lock? No.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I just randomly, someone tagged him in one of my videos and I was like, you have the same humor as Marco. You should do a video.


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[Assistant] I live in Miami, you could just stay at my house. That would be fun, let's do that. You be coming to Miami? Uhm, I've been there. Suki lives in Miami.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so I want there to... Okay, that could be yours.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. Yeah. But I was like, I need a chaser.


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[Assistant] You need this person and then just put us together. This is really cool. I thought you could only do this in restaurants or something.


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[Assistant] I like your name, Ariam. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I was like, how have I never seen you? Cause you're huge.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. No, I, yeaah, I'm like, thought a lot. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Okay, you're right. Okay, it's a little hot, can I wait a second?


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[Assistant] Well no, cause Marco, that's just, he said you're dating someone named two times.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, wait Marco said something about that. He said to say, why?


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[Assistant] Okay, I didn't see it. Is there a song for it? No? Not yet. Oh.


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[Assistant] Is there a reason you didn't make all of it? You wanna make the rest? I feel like we should.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make this. One day. This is actually pretty easy to make.


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[Assistant] Why? My kids would probably like this.


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[Assistant] I can't do that. There's nothing to do that way.


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[Assistant] I have to say that I don't feel like my zone is ever gonna like, start. Why?


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[Assistant] No, because I'm like thinking the whole time about how stupid I would look if I did.


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[Assistant] Because every time Akil, her makeup artist, was with us.


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[Assistant] And every time he would like turn to talk to someone else, I was like, oh god, what am I going to do now? I have nothing to do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I mean I've only ever been to that club with Suki.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I was a nanny before I was a mom. And I would work like...


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[Assistant] That's nice. My mom can only last like one hour with my kids. Of course, she's like, I wanna go do my own thing.


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[Assistant] I see videos where people judge white people for how they eat a chicken wing and I just know that this isn't looking like yours.


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[Assistant] Uh, hi guys, this is Bobbi Althoff with a really good podcast and today we have...


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[Assistant] While that's being healed, I will not be missing out on using SeatGeek to get tickets to go see Travis Scott. I'm really excited to do that. And I will be doing that by looking on SeatGeek and making sure I look where it's green, not red. Green means the price is good. Red means that the price is not, not such great value.


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[Assistant] You are? Yeah. That's really cool though, I only have two kids. They're one and three, so it's easy still.


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[Assistant] I want to do that. I've thought about it, but also, yeaah, I think it's illegal, but if it wasn't, I would do it.


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[Assistant] I feel like my cameraman couldn't have shook his head no.


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[Assistant] He thinks it was Jake Gyllenhaal, but I know for a fact it wasn't. What's it called? It's called water.


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[Assistant] Yeah, when we were in New York I got mad at her and I just like, pushed her, yeah, like pushed her like that and then she pushed me and she's stronger so it didn't-


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[Assistant] No. Yeah. And thankfully because now my hair is fake and it would just fall right out. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Thank you. Oh, and your diaper cream, that's what I was gonna say. That's on like, subscribe and save for me.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I grew up in Southern California. I know you did too. You grew up in Pomona. No?


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[Assistant] Uhm, a year ago. She lived in Pasadena though. Somebody bought her house and then completely remodeled it. That's kind of ugly. If you bought my grandma's house, can you give it back to me? Maybe.


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[Assistant] My mom would agree, my dad's very like, glass half full. So my dad would be like, ugh, no, I provided for you guys, and I'd be like, mmm, okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wanna be like, Jessica Alba is my sister.


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[Assistant] Most people when they say they have a home office, it's like a little office inside of their house where they live.


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[Assistant] Is your real house close to this? Yeah. So you're like, I'm gonna go to the office kids and you're going to a whole other house.


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[Assistant] Especially teenagers these days. I bet you she's like really pretty too. And that's not fair because she's probably not going through an awkward stage and that's her mom is Jessica Alba. You know, you didn't go through an awkward stage either. No, you didn't. Don't lie. It wasn't a normal person's awkward stage. I really did. What's the craziest color you've ever dyed your hair?


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[Assistant] Yes it is. If I showed you pictures of me when I'm saying awkward, you would be like, you would look at me differently.


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[Assistant] I was doing that too. I remember my sister used to make fun of me for putting like green mac eyeshadow on and I was like she's so rude and now I look back and I'm like why didn't she take that away from me? Why would she do that?


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[Assistant] Like I wanna look in the mirror and just see Jessica Alba looking back at me.


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[Assistant] Everyone makes fun of mine, because they say they're fading, but they're supposed to look like that. Yeah, I like it better. Yeah, I have like two that are like fading away.


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[Assistant] And I like it. There's barely there. Do you want to get tattoos with me?


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[Assistant] You're one of those? I like, I really kill them.


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[Assistant] We're gonna do your plan. Okay. We're gonna take the spider. He spent so much time getting up there. Just remember that. And we're gonna grab him and we're gonna take him and we're gonna put him like, back to him. That's like.


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[Assistant] That's like 20 miles, okay? We're gonna like put him over there and he's gonna be pissed off. He's gonna be really mad at you.


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[Assistant] He doesn't care. He wanted your balcony, Jessica. He's trying to come into your house. He wants to live on your bed. So he is then gonna come back with a vengeance.


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[Assistant] Maybe. I don't know much about spiders. And now your house is infested. So.


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[Assistant] I appreciate that, Jessica. I'm gonna bring my kids over later today for a playdate. Great. Your kids are gonna babysit.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll take it. Jessica Alba is gonna- They might have homework. They have homework? I'll do it for them.


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[Assistant] And I'll also be going through her closet. Okay. Alright, bye Jessica.


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[Assistant] I don't think it started corny. It's like kind of like a, it's like orange.


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[Assistant] Yes you have. It's the most densely populated state.


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[Assistant] Yes, no, because now I feel like I have to name your podcast.


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[Assistant] Like today I feel like I look older because I've grown out my mustache.


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[Assistant] One day I will grow it out. Be able to grow it out.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because I, I even from last year I noticed like a little bit of chest hair.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, I'll definitely, I'll give it a go, if it comes back.


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[Assistant] Oh, yeaah, I did, hm, a lot of people don't see that one. Yeaah, I did do Sesame Street.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I did a... What did I do? Halloween episode.


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[Assistant] Why did I do Sesame Street? Because uhm, I- I like doing things that I grew up with. And, uh, Sesame Street is always very, uh, musical. And I feel like music is one of the few things that I'm-


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[Assistant] We sang a song, I think we sang a song. Yea, we sang a song and played instruments for Halloween.


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[Assistant] Holy shit. No, I'm very happy that I, I, I, I'm very happy that I did Sesame Street. I was just saying that it was, it was a musical episode.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was in 8th grade, and I believe I was 13, 14?


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[Assistant] I remember because, uhm, the song that was most played, uhm, at the 8th grade school dance, for the slow dances, you know when people dance slow, was Stick With You by the Pussycat Dolls.


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[Assistant] Someone on your watch, some viewer of your podcast will know that song. It came out in 2005. And I remember that I was 13 in 2005 because I was not dancing with anybody.


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[Assistant] No, uhm, no one wanted to dance with me. But I always loved listening to the song.


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[Assistant] I was never really sad about it, I just was chilling with the other uhm, 13 year old friends of mine uhm, that also weren't dancing by the soda machine and listening to Stick With You by the Pussycat Dolls in 2005.


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[Assistant] It's cool though, right? You can actually put this back and it turns into like a half bed.


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[Assistant] No, because, I mean, you can recline more on it, but this is the, you'd lie vertically, so my head would be worked.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, I have no idea. I actually have no idea.


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[Assistant] If they're interchangeable, so there's some keyboards that are over there that'll


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[Assistant] That this one has pitch fluctuation like none other.


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[Assistant] Something that's also neat about these keyboards is that I have adaptations of them


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[Assistant] The virtual instrument and the real synthesizer right there.


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[Assistant] And sometimes when I can't like think of a song or if I'm having like an off-musical day,


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[Assistant] I'll kind of like nerd out a little bit and just see if there's any sonic differences between the computer version and the real version. See, these could be collectibles.


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[Assistant] No, it's weird, I don't know what they do to it, but uh,


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[Assistant] I don't know, McDonald's chicken nuggets are delicious. One time I ate 40 in one sitting.


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[Assistant] Which is really inconvenient because a friend of mine would go to the gym and...


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[Assistant] Uh, I was staying with him, which is why I bring this up. He would go to the gym and then just like make half a dozen eggs and that would be his breakfast. And he'd get all his protein in and I'd be really jealous because I had to make this like intricate protein smoothie with all the ingredients that wouldn't hurt my, I have a really sensitive stomach. So I would be envious.


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[Assistant] Just eggs, yeah. Gross. Well, he put ketchup on it, and I think, uh, English muffin.


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[Assistant] Half a dozen. A dozen eggs is like bodybuilder shit.


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[Assistant] No, I'm not. There's a lot of things that hurt my stomach. Steak does not hurt my stomach.


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[Assistant] Uhm, certain types of grilled chicken will hurt my stomach. It has to be like char broiled grilled chicken. That's the only type of chicken that doesn't hurt my stomach.


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[Assistant] Yes, I went to an allergist in 2018.


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[Assistant] My nose, uh, like shrivels up inside and I, I can't breathe out of this side and my throat, uh, one time I was taking Afrin and just from all the lemons and my nose opened up but it dripped down my throat and I had to go to the hospital because it dripped down my throat and closed my throat.


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[Assistant] He produced, like, the most number ones out of any, like, Babyface. He wrote


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[Assistant] Babyface wrote, I'll make love to- oh god.


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[Assistant] Waiting to exhale. Huh? Whitney Houston. Successful songwriter.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Stay by Kid Leroy and Justin Bieber. Don't pretend that you don't know that song.


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[Assistant] Like, it wasn't my musical session. It wasn't a... It wasn't a day that everybody sat down and said, we're gonna make Charlie a song. It was, uh, someone else's session. It was Leroy's session.


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[Assistant] Like, in, when, in, it was 2021, and when you're writing a, I don't know why I said that, 2021, that was a couple of years ago, we were writing a song for an artist, that was the goal for the day, and it was nice.


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[Assistant] Well that's what I do for my own songs. I also collaborate with other people on...


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[Assistant] I wrote Lipstick, which just came out with Pop Wansal and Happy Perez and Jay Cash. These are songwriters. Okay. Yeah.


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[Assistant] No, they get recognition. I always make sure I shout them out. I always shout out the song.


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[Assistant] They are, but they're very talented and sometimes when you collaborate with other people, they bring different things out of you. Wow.


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[Assistant] It's not just like fun, sometimes just like making songs yourself. Yeah. So Stay was a collaboration, uh, Lipstick was a collaboration, Light Switch, the internet song that I put out a couple years ago. You know that song? Okay, well, do you like not listen to music or something?


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[Assistant] If I don't listen to a song when I wake up, I become depressed.


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[Assistant] Baby sharks and... That stuff I can understand, like you don't want to hear every...


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[Assistant] I'm trying to relate to you. I do it in music. When I write music, I try and relate to other people, but like I've never heard of someone.


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[Assistant] No, I feel like I relate to a lot of moms, potentially.


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[Assistant] I have certain songs that, I have certain songs that moms might like, like parents.


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[Assistant] What if after a long hard day, I can't, what after like you're traveling all day and you're working and you just want to get to the airport, you get in your car, what are you putting on? You're like relaxing spa music, maybe there's always all these.


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[Assistant] In all seriousness, but like seriously, like vibrate, like if I just played a G chord, but if you add the second,


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[Assistant] Well, you, the, uh, like, a funeral, like, would be in C minor.


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[Assistant] It's like a- it's a vibey funeral. It's weird. Like-


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[Assistant] Certain, what I'm trying to get at, is that certain notes have like,


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[Assistant] Musical vibrational tones, like if you put a G and a B together, you have a major third, but if you do a G and an A flat, it's ugly.


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[Assistant] Jeff Buckley version. Do you know something fun about that song? It was originally, when it was released like 30, 40 years prior, it was not received very well. And then Jeff Buckley in 1994, uhm, sang it and then it became...


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[Assistant] Worldwide Smash, and then later had a resurgence in 2007 on American Idol.


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[Assistant] You like music though, right? Yeah. Okay, so I'm just interpreting it wrong. You like music. I just-


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[Assistant] Yeah. Shrek had, uh, one of my all time favorite songs.


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[Assistant] No, that's by Smash Mouth, it came out in 1997.


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[Assistant] Not on my, well, on my phone and, and like I have a bunch of books about, well I read my phone just as much as I read actual paper, uh, things about like,


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[Assistant] I don't take notes, I take notes in my head. You just store it in your head. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, no, I went to Berklee College of Music. Not a lot of fraternities.


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[Assistant] No, that's Berkeley in Northern California.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think both schools are prestigious in their own way.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, there might be dust in the old sequential circuits, Prophet 5.


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[Assistant] I like to remind myself of how cool- The one right behind your head there is really cool too. That's from 1974. A moog.


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[Assistant] Elton John played this uh, this Rhodes here.


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[Assistant] No, it's just I haven't heard one so close today. We had a storm last night, so there weren't a lot of planes flying. So I got excited with the Doppler. That's the Doppler effect.


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[Assistant] No, I-I just-I-I made sure that we had some water and I made sure that we had, uh, some snacks.


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[Assistant] Now I don't know how I said it. Water. Oh, what? Oh yeah. Yeah. Water.


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[Assistant] I have water, snacks, uhm, and I made sure that my mini generators were working. Mini generators? For the keyboards.


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[Assistant] You are right, I do keep looking at the piano.


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[Assistant] I feel like it is helping me out because it's hard to follow you.


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[Assistant] Probably, ideally a bedroom for each kid or maybe if they're young enough they share one. I don't know. Bunk beds? I shared a room when I was growing up with my brother. Bunk beds.


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[Assistant] Yes, they are. Did you find that out or did your sister tell you that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're, they're awesome. They are twins. How old are they? They are 29.


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[Assistant] Like a tone to your voice. I feel like this is you, but I'm not gonna like, play like, fuckin' like-


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[Assistant] You definitely have, and this is the keyboard that they used for that.


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[Assistant] That they used, but this is the, uh, I wanted one with, uh, speakers built into it so I could work on ideas without plugging it into the computer. It's freestanding.


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[Assistant] But like, what's like one that stands out to you? Because you can learn a lot about somebody just from their favorite song.


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[Assistant] I'll let, I'll leave it to them. I'm not gonna... I won't play it.


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[Assistant] Still sounds pretty modern even though it was like, I think it debuted in 1990.


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[Assistant] I, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I'm a, uh, uh, I have a encyclopedia of kind of almost useless information, but you never know when it could become useful.


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[Assistant] He lives with my parents, because if I'm on tour, he just has a better life there. So I see him when I go to my parents.


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[Assistant] He was being offered up for adoption and I went to a radio station in 2019 in November and I got confused because my morning brain thought somebody said to me.


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[Assistant] There's a dog named Charlie available for adoption.


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[Assistant] I didn't realize that they were offering him up for adoption in my name.


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[Assistant] And when they presented the dog, this cute little


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[Assistant] Couldn't be much bigger than this, this little microphone.


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[Assistant] I was like, of course I'll adopt a dog named Charlie.


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[Assistant] I just, well, I mean, I had been calling him for a couple of days. I had been calling.


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[Assistant] It was a- well, I also symbolically wanted to name him after me because I got bit by a black lab, which is why my eyebrow looks like that.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, it's a scar, and I got bit by a black lab, and I thought if I adopt a black lab, I'll name him Charlie, it's a...


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[Assistant] Uhm, my friend's wedding. Or, my, uh, yeah, my friend was getting married.


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[Assistant] But I just, I, I, I tripped over my words because sometimes I'll, I just tripped over my words. My friend's wedding in New Jersey that I was in. I've never been in a wedding. What were you? A groomsman.


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[Assistant] That sounds nice. I don't know what the future holds, but that does sound pretty ideal, doesn't it?


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[Assistant] No, with these shoes, I'm like 6'1", or something, they have like a, I don't really wear a lot of shoes with a big lift on them, but I just thought these looked


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[Assistant] No, I just thought they looked kind of quirky and I thought this is, you're known for being quirky.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I just went in my closet and just put this on.


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[Assistant] I mean, I do, but I didn't feel the need to, no, I didn't feel the need to, I just, I like these pants. I like this shirt. I like my wacky shoes.


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[Assistant] Just, I mean, sans you, just me in here.


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[Assistant] Thinking of ideas. Sometimes I'll have my friends come over and we'll make ideas together. I like to, uhm,


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[Assistant] Prepare ideas for them that they can develop with me.


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[Assistant] I've done yoga before. This is the most relaxing thing for me. It's like piano is like truly like the thing that like calms me down the most certain chord progressions.


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[Assistant] Actually, that car is a lot, and I like researching them alongside keyboards.


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[Assistant] Like a 2005 Cadillac Escalade interior is really cool to me. Like a suburban. Like the decisions, the design decisions that GMC made in the early 2000s. Because that car shaped culture and you'd see it in the background of a


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[Assistant] of a baby, a birdman video or something with Lil Wayne, like I, in the days of like MTV music videos and like the heyday of that. So I guess-


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[Assistant] Yeah, or else it won't look. You want it to look real.


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[Assistant] It's not entirely real, but it, it goes along with the song.


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[Assistant] Let's see, there's Jan on guitar, there's, uh, Phil on bass, CJ on drums, there's Cobbs and Justin on keyboards. That's, that's four people, including myself. That's five total.


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[Assistant] I don't know. It's also my name. And my dad's name. Yes. Yeah, it is my last name. Puth. Charles Otto Puth.


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[Assistant] That would be cool. Well, Charles, I'm going back and forth on that because I don't know what if they don't want to be named that and then they have to I got to be. I got to think about that.


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[Assistant] For, like, such a long time, so...


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[Assistant] Like two days went by and then he was no longer responding to Billy when I picked him up from the shelter.


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[Assistant] So this is like, you know when like Harry Potter puts on the invisible cloak?


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[Assistant] I don't have it all planned out, of course that's a discussion you have.


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[Assistant] It's a nice sounding name, it's musical. Not everything has to be musical, but it's kind of fun.


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[Assistant] Do I wear a lot of makeup? No. Oh, you mean like when I'm filming stuff? I mean.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's just to balance everything out. It wasn't even makeup, it was just puff, puff, puff.


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[Assistant] I feel like it's a very normal thing to get powder.


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[Assistant] You're making me out to seem like I'm, like, this person that, like, has all these people with me. I'm, uh, arrived solo.


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[Assistant] It's not false, no, but this is, we're excited to have you.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, it's concrete floors.


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[Assistant] No, it's, I, I, I am, I, I maintain all of my friends that I've had for many, many years. I.


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[Assistant] I agree with that, I-I do agree, uhm.


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[Assistant] But do you understand why I turned to this? A lot, especially.


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[Assistant] I think it's over there in the vicinity.


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[Assistant] That was my, yea, that he, Brady passed away in May.


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[Assistant] I am not good at fast math. I couldn't tell time until I was 14.


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[Assistant] That's cute. Thanks. How did you do it where the picture of them is blocking the four?


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[Assistant] Do you get uncomfortable with like the amount of new celebrity that you've acquired? Ever?


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[Assistant] Very successful show. You know, it seems that all of that happened in like a very short amount of time. I was wondering how it made you feel.


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[Assistant] That's, that's correct, but I was also still in college, so I didn't really get the full.


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[Assistant] I was in college when that happened. So I went back to school after.


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[Assistant] Seriously. And then I went to, back to college, graduated in 2014, and then, uhm, started writing for other artists, and then I wrote See You Again.


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[Assistant] And then, uhm, then it's still to this day, it's like consistent hard work. Writing songs.


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[Assistant] It's the first song that I'm showcasing from the new album.


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[Assistant] It took five seconds to put on. Uhm, no. Uhm, but it's definitely, the album is different stylistically for me.


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[Assistant] Not never again, but I don't, when they're done, I kinda just let it live in the world.


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[Assistant] I can show you some things, but I, it's not, once a song is done, I had to-


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[Assistant] It serves the purpose for right now. It has a pop of color. It's nice. It's not like a lazy boy. It's just a couch.


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[Assistant] I'm just, uh, you're gonna make people hate me for no reason. I, uhm, my friend planted them.


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[Assistant] Holy mother of- No, they were like small cacti, and then they grew.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm not a- I'm not a parent, so. One day I will be-


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[Assistant] Thank you. I hope you have enough content. I hope I did a good job.


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[Assistant] Go listen to my songs. And, uh.


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[Assistant] Make some music and send it to me because I- I- That's a nice thing to say! I wanna hear wha- wha-


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[Assistant] I don't feel I need to like always, I feel like I can do what's comfortable.


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[Assistant] If you look at my name, my name is Michael Cera, so, and then, you know, people kind of tend to draw the obvious.


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[Assistant] Series of nourishing lipids, and I think it's a fine product, but uhm, that's as far as it goes. I mean, as far as what I'm willing to say.


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[Assistant] I think, let's talk about, you know, I want to talk about a wide range of other things, not just my, uh, I mean, not just serenity.


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[Assistant] Yesterday I put together an entire shoot to launch season 2 of the Really Good Podcast and I put a lot of money into it and just like really went all out. I called Davis and I said Davis, let's


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[Assistant] Can you help me do a little rebranding photoshoot? And he was like, okay, actually I have a great idea. And he kind of has me doing a lot of stuff that I'm-


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[Assistant] Not gonna lie, I'm pretty uncomfortable with. He has me doing, uhm, a lot of nudity.


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[Assistant] He said to trust the process, I'm trusting it. Uh, he put this kind of whole thing together really. Davis is the one in charge of it all and Morgan, uhm, I fired him because he was my videographer. Uh, he's still recording my, uh, this.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because the other guys are too expensive to do all of everything, so sometimes I have to use Morgan. But, uh, what was I saying?


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[Assistant] I wanted to do season two of the Really Good Podcast because after season one, I was like,


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[Assistant] Uh, my 15 minutes of fame, they did, they did kinda die out because I kinda stopped posting. And I was like, what the fuck do I do? I have a lot of money now.


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[Assistant] Uh, a lot more money than I used to have, not as much as I want to have in the end of my life, but a lot more money than I used to have. Uhm, and anyway, I was like, I'm just gonna do a rebranding. So, season two is coming your way, and there's gonna be lots of fun, lots of activities, some painting, some goal.


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[Assistant] So uhm, acting, there's gonna be so much stuff, why are you looking at me? All the people that commented that my 15 minutes of fame were up, you were right, uh, and thank you for telling me that. Because...


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[Assistant] It really motivated me to keep going. I didn't want to see you guys win. All the people that set up my career was over. It's back. Better than ever.


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[Assistant] Hi guys, I'm so sorry to interrupt you watching me model. But honestly, what I'm really sorry about is you guys even having to watch that to begin with because...


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[Assistant] For obvious reasons, I don't need to say anymore. But, we're doing an ad right now, because an ad is what funds the whole modeling thing. It costs a lot of money to have all those people there. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Obviously there's a lot of people there and they don't work for free. So this episode is sponsored by SeatGeek. We love SeatGeek. I truly love SeatGeek and I will be using SeatGeek to purchase


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[Assistant] If you're looking on The Geek, make sure you look for green. Cause me- green, means it's a good deal. And there's yellow, it's okay. There's red.


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[Assistant] Do yourself a favor. Don't choose red. Go green. Sorry guys, I had to stop because the idiot behind the camera decided to use a full card. Anyway, do yourself a favor and use code Bobby. That's capital B, capital O, capital B, capital B, capital I. You guys should remember it by now. Bobby in all caps will get you $20 off.


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[Assistant] Your purchase. It's a great deal. Now get back to watching me model, uh, or


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[Assistant] Don't. You can stop watching now if you want. Don't stop watching. Watch the full time. And if you don't wanna watch, keep it running. And go do dishes or something just so that I get the full watch time. Because I think that that is important. But you better watch it all. I'm watching you.


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[Assistant] I should have done this there, but it was just a chaotic day and there was no time. We had the field from 11 till 4 and we decided to start at 1.


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[Assistant] Because for no reason, I was just like, one sounds good. So for no reason at all we were rushed.


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[Assistant] It was chaotic. Everyone was kind of just like doing their best. And I, I, I don't know. I think the photos are gonna look horrible, but not because of Davis, just because of my face. I think that I looked horrible in it. I kinda just like...


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[Assistant] Tried my best. But I don't think my best was good enough.


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[Assistant] And I don't, I don't think Davis is gonna be happy when the film gets developed because he's a really good photographer and I'm not a very good...


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[Assistant] Photogra-fied photography. I'm not good photography, but he's a good photographer. All I can say is that even if it was bad, I wasted a lot of money. I was pretty naked though, that was weird. Alright, can we go now? Did I stop now?


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[Assistant] Never stop cooking. I opened my first restaurant when I was 25.


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[Assistant] And I feel like, at least with this one, uhm,


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[Assistant] Alright, here's what I'm gonna do. So I'm gonna take some honey and mustard.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I have honey, mustard, horseradish. I'm gonna put a little bit more horseradish.


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[Assistant] Well, it's, it's, it's, it's kosher salt, so it's like has, it's big granulars. And so basically what you wanna do is you wanna hold it in your fingers like this.


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[Assistant] And then when you're seasoning it, you crush it in your fingers.


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[Assistant] Not ready. You think he's ready? Okay.


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[Assistant] This is her doing my show. She did her own video. Here.


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[Assistant] It's like, uh, using techniques to manipulate food.


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[Assistant] It's actually really good. I wanna say something. It's actually perfectly cooked.


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[Assistant] Restaurant, very energetic, very, like, uhm.


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[Assistant] You got, you cut yours in the, like down the middle and didn't quite...


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[Assistant] Like maybe leave like you're a, like a judge at a cooking competition. How would you describe it?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but fish for breakfast works. Did you ever have a smoked sandwich?


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[Assistant] But what does it, like, just, like, should I just describe what you're tasting?


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[Assistant] Cook some things, I help people cook some things, I make sure things are cooked correctly. It's like, it's like being a conductor.


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[Assistant] Today I clocked in around, uh, 8.15 and I waited for you for 45 minutes.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. Actually, your camera person told me that you were coming at 8.45 and I was like, I was really impressed that you were going to be 15 minutes early, but then it didn't happen.


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[Assistant] Let's not even discuss that. Let's not consider those things.


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[Assistant] What costs more, the filler or the dissolving of the filler?


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[Assistant] What's your name? What's your name? Billionaire Bobby. That's what they call you, right?


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[Assistant] Billionaire Bobby, get that fucking money. Huh? Billionaire Bobby, get the fucking money, right?


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[Assistant] What do you think you'll do after this? I got some breakfast.


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[Assistant] Regardless of points, medals, or wounds, each man in the 101st Airborne would be going home.


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[Assistant] It goes back to a feature screenplay I'd written that Gary Getzman, who ran Playtone, still does. He had read a feature screenplay of mine about Antoine de Saint-Exupéry. Those were my bona fides for this and I was contacted then by my agent who sent me the book and


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[Assistant] I read it, I was actually in the midst of a production of a play of mine in Philadelphia and this was in the fall of 1998.


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[Assistant] Broke it down into 13 episodes and figured out what the episode breaks were. And then I came out to Hollywood and I met with Tom in his trailer. He was shooting The Green Mile at the time.


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[Assistant] And I told him what my breakdown was and he and I independently had broken it down in exactly the same fashion, which was kind of wonderful. And then I met with Stephen and the next thing I knew, I was at the beginning on the threshold of a life-changing experience.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes indeed. I mean Ambrose was a master of writing populist history as opposed to the rigor of an academic historian and it was a compelling story but obviously there was a lot missing. So the next step was to meet with Major Winters himself and that's really what changed everything.


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[Assistant] Charming little house in Hershey. The sanctum sanctorum was upstairs. After we had a little lunch, we went up those stairs. On the landing, you turn to your right, and here is this little office of his, and it really was an archive. And there were filing cabinets and his desk.


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[Assistant] A comfortable chair in the corner and he motioned for me to sit down.


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[Assistant] Because it was really all about Winters assessing me.


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[Assistant] But then he made it really specific because we sat down and he said, I want you to look at this. And he slid a letter across the table. He said, I'd like you to read that. And it was a letter from Shifty Power's daughter.


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[Assistant] Two winters asking what on earth could we do because in Ambrose's book.


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[Assistant] Ambrose had mistakenly blamed Shifty for something. It was a dereliction of duty issue during the Battle of the Bulge.


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[Assistant] Shifty was just destroyed by this. So he watched me keenly as I was reading this letter. As I got to the end of the letter and I handed it back to him.


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[Assistant] And he said, what do you think of that? And I said, well, I guess that's our first order of business to correct that.


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[Assistant] And then we were off. He created three sets of five very thick binders in which he had


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[Assistant] Created essentially his own personal scrapbook, his journal entries, everything you could imagine for each of the campaigns. And he had given one to Ambrose, he had one for the family and he had kept a third set because he said he knew someday somebody like me was going to be walking through his door.


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[Assistant] As I told my wife when I came back from that first meeting, I think I just met the most balanced man I've ever met. And our relationship would develop over years into a truly profound friendship. We became very, very close.


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[Assistant] Keep in mind, during the crafting of the Bible, I had daily questions digging deeper and deeper and deeper into his memory. You can imagine that here I am.


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[Assistant] On a daily basis, talking to this gentleman about these events and he's feeling the responsibility of getting it right as well. As he always put it, fact positive.


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[Assistant] By virtue of that experience, it was almost really like a very intensive therapy session for him. Every day.


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[Assistant] And it went deeper and deeper and deeper. And so the trust that we developed was


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[Assistant] Quite remarkable. There wouldn't be a day that would go by that I wouldn't call him up and read something that I'd written, even in the Bible, to get his approval or his thoughts about.


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[Assistant] Looking down at the lush vegetation in Hershey and I just had this realization that I've just met a man who's going to change my life.


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[Assistant] And one day I'm gonna have to say goodbye to him. And I realized that all in the same moment.


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[Assistant] This is something that Tom and I embraced from the very beginning. We were going to set the bar at an impossibly high level because it always falls. These guys didn't suffer fools and they didn't suffer exaggeration.


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[Assistant] And the sheer strength of character of these men is something that, to a man, impressed and inspired everybody who worked on this project.


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[Assistant] How often as a storyteller do you get to be able to interact with


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[Assistant] And the idea of getting it right was nothing but rocket fuel. We really determined to go for broke and allow the truth.


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[Assistant] To guide the drama. That's what I tried to tackle in the Bible is to get every detail exactly right. Details about the character of these men, the anecdotal stuff, and the technical stuff. We were in a unique situation thanks to HBO's decision to give Tom and Playtone and the creative team an absolute carte blanche to the extent to which HBO never


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[Assistant] For everybody involved in this endeavor, certainly for all the writers where it begins, for John Orloff and Bruce McKenna and E. Max Ryan, Grant Yost and Eric Bork and Tom himself, they all became infected by the same thing that had infected me, an understanding of the


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[Assistant] Extraordinary responsibility of telling this story and serving the experience of the men.


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[Assistant] Warts and all, as it had never been told before. Cinematically, as it had never been told before. And we didn't need to avoid the tropes, because we were dealing with the real thing.


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[Assistant] All you had to do is get out of the way and make sure you didn't make it silly. I mean, it just had to get out of the way and let it tell itself. And always keeping in mind that it was about serving their story. It was about serving their experience and their intention.


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[Assistant] It is indeed. It is indeed. I don't know if it'll ever be recreated. Subsequently, I don't think I've ever had a creative meeting in Hollywood about anything that doesn't begin with whoever I'm meeting with asking me about Band of Brothers and how that happened. And I always tell them the same thing. I tell them that HBO made this decision and they weren't going to give us any notes and


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[Assistant] We knew best and that's how it happened. And there's always a moment of silence that follows that and the response is always the same. Well, that'll never happen again.


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[Assistant] How it happened and why it ended up being something different.


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[Assistant] Something really unique about episode five for me. Five was the most important to me because of my friendship with Winters and because this was really the crossroads of his life. The events of October 5th changed his life forever. And the experience of October 5th in discussing it back when we were


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[Assistant] Just working on the Bible was the first time that I ever saw or experienced major winters.


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[Assistant] Become overcome by emotion and it moved him so deeply which really surprised me because it was the first time I'd really seen him or experienced him become emotional and I didn't feel like anybody could shoulder that responsibility but me.


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[Assistant] It was the simplest you could possibly imagine. I wrote the script. The first draft had a slightly different approach than the second draft, which was the one we shot. Structurally, it had a different conceit, and it was only after talking to Tom that we really discovered what it should be.


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[Assistant] And realizing how we could use the typewriter keys and counterpoint to the gunfire to manufacture a story that really was about processing trauma. I wrote that and I went and met with Tom and he was shooting Castaway at the time and I remember him coming out of the room.


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[Assistant] He had his beard and his hair was all over the place and he just came over and threw his arms around me and gave me a big bear hug and he said, we've got this one. And that was the relationship because it was Tom. We'd been working on this at that point for a couple of years and I left it all on the page for him and I knew that he'd do it up smartly.


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[Assistant] Indeed, and the memory of that moment changed Winter's life. I really believe it was the fulcrum on which the rest of his life was balanced. He was never able to get out of his mind and his memory the look on that young boy's face.


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[Assistant] That nanosecond, that moment when he pulled the trigger and saw him fall.


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[Assistant] He was not afforded any opportunity to reflect on it at the time because there was an entire company of SS troops over to his right and he just turned and standing there by himself emptied his


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[Assistant] And then the rest of the company comes in and it was only really afterwards that he was able to reflect.


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[Assistant] And go back to that moment and question, did he have a choice? Could he have spared the boy's life?


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[Assistant] Of course he couldn't, but the truth of the horror of war.


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[Assistant] What it does to boys and what it does to men, it was captured for him in that instant of time. The instant after this, he loses the company.


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[Assistant] Everything changes. It is that crossroads. It's that nexus. And he has to deal with the loss of the command of his company in order to take over the command of the battalion.


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[Assistant] He didn't. He had no idea. And Winters had one of the most robust laughs I've ever heard. And I can still hear him chuckling about that. It's one of his favorite memories of the entire war and certainly his friendship with Nixon.


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[Assistant] Having experienced Winter's deep emotional connection to these events, the opportunity to tell a story, partly a story about a man remembering.


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[Assistant] Craft into the narrative, the basic relationship and the dynamic between Winters and myself, because that's what we were all about.


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[Assistant] Trying desperately to put onto paper what had happened and to serve the experience and to serve the truth and to make it fact positive. It was sort of a microcosmic cinematic symbol of


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[Assistant] Our relationship, trying to commit these memories to paper and to do it right.


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[Assistant] It all begins with something that's easily overlooked. It certainly wasn't for winters and he would laugh at the memory of giving


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[Assistant] One of the rarest commands in the European theater of operation. Fix bayonets.


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[Assistant] Fixed bayonets. It never happened. It was so uncommon. But he didn't have a choice. And he talked to me about the reaction of the men in the ditch. Kind of a come again. Are you serious? It's gonna be that bad. It's gonna be that close.


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[Assistant] Winters had taken to heart the Fort Benning slogan of follow me. It wasn't just about follow me into that hedgerow.


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[Assistant] Follow me across this field. It was about follow my example and we'll get through this and we will succeed.


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[Assistant] And that whole follow me notion is exactly how he led. This is the guy who would get up.


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[Assistant] Before Reveille and run up Curahee and down three miles up and three miles down all by himself just to do it. The fact that the men witnessed this that caused them all to say hell yes when he said follow me.


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[Assistant] Without question, you're dealing with a different breed of sons and daughters of the depression to begin with.


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[Assistant] Deeply in what they were doing. They understood it because it was.


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[Assistant] That simple to them, experientially. For the paratroopers, a lot of them were paratroopers simply because of the extra $50 in jump pay.


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[Assistant] But for most of those guys, if you talk to them about it, when they made that decision, they realized that this experimental group of paratroopers, this unique division that was being created,


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[Assistant] Was going to require the best of the best and they wanted to be able to look up to the man standing next to them.


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[Assistant] He is a force to be reckoned with. And to answer your question, I think what makes Damian so right for this part to play Winters is that


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[Assistant] The two of them have something in common. An alpha male doesn't need to behave like an alpha male. A true alpha doesn't act.


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[Assistant] Alpha. Winters never did, certainly. There's a quiet.


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[Assistant] Profound presence to the guy that I think causes men to line up around him like metal filings around a magnetic field.


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[Assistant] It speaks for itself, and I think the analog for that is screen presence, which Damien has in space. You can't take your eyes off the guy. There's something that draws you to that quiet, that stillness.


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[Assistant] That is something that it's ineffable and both men had it. Damien has that presence on screen and Winters had it in the field.


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[Assistant] It was stunningly close. I don't think these two men are a lot alike in temperament, but Damien really led the way in serving who Winters was rather than putting his own fingerprints on the character.


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[Assistant] He understood who he was. It's a real challenge for an actor to play a man that many would see as Teflon. Nothing touches this guy.


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[Assistant] Everything he does is right. How do you play that? It's not interesting. So many actors would say, where are the flaws in this guy? Damien never went there. He understood it. He got it.


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[Assistant] From Jump and inarguably it's the hardest role in the series. It's very, very difficult to play an Ubermensch.


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[Assistant] End crafting this dramatically. The moments on October 17th when he's in front of the typewriter and those introspective moments. We only know that Winter survived. The fact that they lost Dukeman and that was the only fatality is truly remarkable. It was a remarkable feat of arms.


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[Assistant] Moments after it's uttered, that's a gift that we'll never stop giving. It's one of my favorite moments in the series.


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[Assistant] It was really tough for him and we captured it.


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[Assistant] There at the dyke when he looks and sees his beloved Easy Company.


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[Assistant] Just being themselves and then one moment at the end when he's watching them walk by him into hell.


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[Assistant] Winters talked to me a lot about how aimless he was in Paris. He just did not know what to do with himself. He was struggling with what had happened on October 5th. He was struggling with the loss of the company. He didn't drink, he didn't smoke.


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[Assistant] Paris did not present to him the same kind of allure that it did to, I think, most of the men.


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[Assistant] And what he encountered, what was most stunning to him was the reminder of the home front.


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[Assistant] The reminder of civilian life, what they're doing this for. Riding a metro with


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[Assistant] Old people, young people, trying to get on with their lives. That's profound.


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[Assistant] It was really all about frame of reference. Where do we begin to tell what happened for all these men when they came home? How do you explain this to Aunt Edna in Frederick, Oklahoma? How do you explain what you saw the Germans doing to


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[Assistant] Dead paratroopers on D-Day. How do you begin to do that? How do you begin to explain what was discovered in the forest of Landsberg? There's no frame of reference and one of the


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[Assistant] If not the single most important thing about the series for me is that at a critical moment in the lives of these gentlemen, from so many who served in the ETO,


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[Assistant] First of all, came Saving Private Ryan, and then we came along afterwards and there was a frame of reference. So the,


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[Assistant] Tens of thousands of grandfathers who were able to surprise the hell out of their families by saying, I'm going to tell you about what I did during the war because now I can't because you've seen that.


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[Assistant] Now let me explain what my part in that was. And for so many of these families, they had no idea that grandpa was even in the war.


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[Assistant] But they were able finally, finally at the 11th hour of their lives to be able to talk about and to have been a part of


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[Assistant] Crafting a story that facilitated that catharsis, that's what it's all about. That's what I'm most grateful for.


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[Assistant] I think it did, and it's interesting about the men of Easy Company. When I talked to them and when the other writers developed their relationships with their principal characters for their episodes, they did have the benefit of having already had the book come out.


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[Assistant] As far as carrying trauma is concerned, it was fascinating to me that they avoided talking about their own, what they carried with them, and they would always


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[Assistant] Deflect that conversation into talking about somebody who had been lost. Then where that all came together for me was a late.


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[Assistant] Night conversation that I had working on the Bible with Babe Heffron, I asked him, did he know of any of the men who were really suffering from combat fatigue or combat trauma? And he proceeded to tell me that I was talking to one and he then proceeded to tell me that four to five days a week for the rest of his life and in the present,


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[Assistant] He would wake up in a cold sweat or crying or screaming because he was reliving the same event.


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[Assistant] Over and over and over again, which was the death of his friend Joe Campbell on the dyke on October 4th.


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[Assistant] When little babe Heffron was carrying a 20 caliber machine gun on his shoulder and Campbell said, here, babe, let me take that. And he hefted it onto his shoulder and he ran up to the top of the dyke and took an 88.


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[Assistant] Artillery shell atomized him in front of babe and had he not tried to help his buddy, it never would have happened. And so Campbell's death was a current and present trauma for babe until his death.


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[Assistant] He had an objective. Nothing was gonna stop him from getting to that objective. Whether he was armed with just a canteen and a trench knife. And to be jerked out of that and to be wandering the streets of Paris with essentially nothing to do and not being interested in any of that. He had a job to do and he was trying to get it done. And it was a massive interruption.


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[Assistant] For him, by virtue of it being an interruption was a moment of stillness and quiet.


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[Assistant] At which point what inevitably happens? All of the things that you haven't dealt with come crashing in and...


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[Assistant] Really the only thing that he remembered fondly about Paris was taking that bath.


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[Assistant] That's the way we rolled. And again, it's one of those things. Just get out of the way of this story because it's all there. It's all there.


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[Assistant] There's something very simple, and that is that none of these men


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[Assistant] Had ever witnessed American soldiers in retreat.


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[Assistant] It was astonishing to them and especially to paratroopers. It's all about going forward. It's always about going forward and it took them a while to understand what they were actually witnessing.


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[Assistant] What the hell could possibly be out there that GIs were retreating from? It didn't make any sense to them.


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[Assistant] I really do think it was Garnier who started stripping them of ammo.


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[Assistant] Yes indeed, and I will never forget the moment when Winters told me about that. I was still working on the Bible and I was in my kitchen, sitting at the kitchen table in Charlotte, North Carolina at the time. He was in Hershey, we were on the phone.


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[Assistant] We were talking about that crossroads and what it looked like, all the specifics, pouring out the gasoline and setting the gasoline on fire to light the scene and how cold it was.


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[Assistant] Is remarkable. That brotherhood, that fraternity, the bonds that have been crafted between those men of Easy Company by this time, by December 17th, 1944, from Tekoa all the way to this moment. So profound. And for Winters, when they're marching in to something that is this howling unknown that other GIs are retreating from.


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[Assistant] For him to know that he won't be there to lead those men was a profoundly lonely moment for him.


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[Assistant] The loneliness of leadership, it's a cliche, but it's absolutely true and earned, especially when the bonds are that deep and that profound.


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[Assistant] Along with those binders that Winters gifted to me, he gave me his Curry Scrapbook.


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[Assistant] Once the Bible was done, gifted it to me, his own copy of it, and this can be found there. Farthest from your mind is the thought of falling back. In fact, it isn't there at all. And so you dig your hole carefully and deep and wait.


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[Assistant] The story of Easy Company is the story of valor and strength of character and leadership.


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[Assistant] And I think in the years subsequent, we have seen a steady decline and decay in a lot of those qualities in society.


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[Assistant] It becomes a stark reminder and it's something that I think we're also drawn toward in an aspirational way for a time in which there were men and women like this who had these kinds of qualities.


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[Assistant] Without question, it was affirmation from him. He was tremendously proud of what we accomplished together. He was tremendously proud of the end product. He was very impressed at the standard of excellence. He felt that the series reflected


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[Assistant] His standards and that meant the world to him because there weren't any standards higher.


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[Assistant] And he deeply, deeply appreciated it. At the end of the day, we had in fact served the men whom he commanded and had the honor to lead.


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[Assistant] After every single session we had, after every


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[Assistant] Fact-based grueling examination of what had happened and what it meant to the men and what their experiences had been because it was always about the men. It was never about him, ever.


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[Assistant] We always signed off the same way. I'd say, I'll write some of this up and I'll give you a call tomorrow. I'll talk to you after lunch. I'll talk to you tomorrow evening. And he always said the same thing. I'll be here.


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[Assistant] And hearing those words from a man like Dick Winters, the most reassuring words anybody could ever want to hear, I'll be here. And I felt that he would be as would the men of easy company be here in this country, along with all they represented, as long as we remembered them.


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[Assistant] My pleasure. Thank you for doing this. You're continuing the mission of serving the story of these men and I appreciate it deeply.


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[Assistant] Zoa Energy, our favorite better for you energy drink has launched a new campaign. Have you seen it? It's packing lots of BDE.


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[Assistant] Anyone can have BDE. Not just the dudes. Ladies! You know, Danny Garcia, one of the ZOA's founder, a woman, she's got BDE. My neighbor, this older woman across the street, I gave her a ZOA. She went from no BDE to a lot of BDE.


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[Assistant] The hardest part about being a prison warden is


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[Assistant] I had a heck of a clap, I don't know about you guys. My clap was like...


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[Assistant] Or did you drink something that wasn't a zoa?


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[Assistant] Guys, back, back me up. And Adam is like, mister used to have the worst back of the throat I've ever felt. No, worst back of the throat. Felt. I mean, cause then you got your tonsils pulled out, right? Felt.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I've ever, can we be real with each other for just a moment? I would. I don't think I've ever smelled any of your breaths and been like, that's really bad.


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[Assistant] Cause we've all met people and talked to them on various occasions where you're like, oh it's bad again. This is a thing.


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[Assistant] Did people still say getting tore up from the floor up? I'm drunk now.


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[Assistant] How cool is that? It's dangerous. It's cause they work so well, you're gonna kinda wanna figure out where you fit into everything.


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[Assistant] Wait, this is fun. Wait, do you have tits? No? I gotta go.


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[Assistant] Did you do the face at him? Like, you look like this.


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[Assistant] You know, it is interesting, people do say it's the hardest job in the world, and I know that that's kind of like... Nope.


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[Assistant] Yeah, coal miners. It's weird that like, people don't go- Oil rig. Yep. Yep. Ice road trucking. I'm kinda like, it's not easy, for sure, but why are we saying hardest job in the world? It's not. Dude, it's not. It seems like a-


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[Assistant] I was seeing it as more of like a charitable thing to be like, like giving like their flowers, like, hey, it's the hardest job in the world. And it's like.


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[Assistant] Save some of that jankum for me. Warden says you get to go early. Jingle jangle. Wait, are we saying warden? Is it warden? Just like the guard. I'm saying like the guard. No, we're saying the warden man. We're talking the man.


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[Assistant] But is there one out there that doesn't have it? I feel like that's a pre-wreck. Like, that's how you get the gig. You'll be able to put all the inmates in like a trance. Where it's like, they're going crazy, then they're like sending the warden, he comes in, suddenly. Suddenly everybody's going right.