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[Assistant] I guess it's, it's part of the sport. I don't know. I would just, I would like to see a little bit more of an option out there. Um, and maybe little less jumps, like for instance, going up the.


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[Assistant] The long uphill up to the elevated kind of turn where it's got the option where you got the inside roll or you go outside and you step off.


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[Assistant] Those are where, that's where Jett was going quad uhm, uphill, right?


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[Assistant] Back in the day those used to be rollers where you could actually like lob the front wheel. You weren't really jumping. You might catch a combination here or there.


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[Assistant] But I think it promotes more racing when wheels are on the ground instead of you're in the air and you gotta follow suit just to jump the jumps.


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[Assistant] It was man, it was, uh, honestly, like you had, uh, you know, uh, Hayden out front, first moto, had of, you know, Cooper made a couple runs on him. You had Vial also, uh.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, you know, like, uh, look, the track did race well in certain spots and you had to really pick your points of where you were going to pass. But yeaah, 4th through I think 13th were all factory motorcycles.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and dude, I'm telling you, I was sitting in mechanics area and I was watching the race and you'd have first come through, okay, two seconds, third, second come through, second and a half.


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[Assistant] Guys were, uh, swapping around meeting positions and, um, you know, it was, uh, it was, it was a really good race to watch from, from fourth through 13th. I can tell you that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, like, like that's, no, I 100% agree. And I think that's been RJ's, you know, go back to round one, Paula pulls out, pulls, you know, gets a good start, gets into the lead.


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[Assistant] Pulls away, knocks down a moto in, but then his, his, his second moto, right, was a, was a eleventh, I think.


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[Assistant] So having those other dudes either a bike problem or making a major mistake, which Hunter, to make a major mistake.


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[Assistant] No, I don't know if that's going to happen. I think Deegan, his, he's going to have a, uh, uh, call it a mistake at, you know, one of these rounds, but the fight that Deegan has, like,


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[Assistant] As long as his bike's in good condition, he's healthy after, after that mistake or whatever that may be, he's going to fight his way back up into inside the top 10 or inside the top five. So your point spread isn't big. You can't be running around in, in, in 11th, like he did it at second moto at Paula.


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[Assistant] Somebody, somebody said that and I said, look, dude, I said, if Hayden's ever going to have a, call it a rookie learning year, um, and come out swinging next year.


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[Assistant] These guys are, are going to have to be on their game. I know Joe's going to still be in the class, um, switching teams over to Honda. Um, but man, the way Hayden's riding and the, the races that he's going to get under his belt.


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[Assistant] And man, let's, let's face it. He's a, he's a really, he's a pretty good starter and he's able to make moves on guys. Uh, and I think next year, like I said, I was telling, um, somebody at the race this weekend next year,


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[Assistant] Bet you, bet money on it between Supercross and Motocross, he wins one of them.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's tough, especially in an off camber like that, like as a, as a lapper and you coming into a section of the track that is super one line like that, um, you have to be aware of your surroundings.


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[Assistant] And he already had been lapped by a couple guys previously to that because, you know, uh, Joe and Ryder were, I think they were in, in.


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[Assistant] Hamshar, they were like 4th through 6th or 5th through 7th, somewhere right there. So uhm, that lapper had already been lapped and, and yeah, that's uh, totally on, on, on, on lapper's fault, 100%. You know, and, and uh, it collected Joe up, you know, like, looked like Hayden got into, got into the side of him. Hayden just, just squeaked by.


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[Assistant] And uh, it wasn't enough for Joe and Ryder and the guys behind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so around the rig, he's the same kind of thing, uh, quiet, reserved, but then he, he'll come out and he was putting his gear on and, and, uh, he comes out and goes, man.


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[Assistant] And you just gotta start like, yea buddy, it's, it's, it's good looking stuff, you know, it's just the way he says it, you know, it's funny.


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[Assistant] Yeah, actually, uhm, I believe Cooper went off the track in the exact same spot in one of the Moto, I think Moto one or Moto two, I don't remember, but all of a sudden I see him blow in from mechanics area. I'm like, well, where'd he just come from?


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[Assistant] Well, the track there was, there wasn't a lot of real estate over on the left. Like pretty much everybody was landing in a 12 inch patch.


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[Assistant] Uh, which ruler size patch and you know, you move over another six inches, you land on a little more cobbly stuff. Like you'd have to stand the bike up and run off the track there. And then you're on part of the mechanics road there, which is hard packed blue groove. So for Jalik to go off there and then lock it up.


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[Assistant] Throw that thing sideways and just miss that kid, you know, that was good.


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[Assistant] Good heads up writing from him, you know, like that stuff's not tacky right there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, no, it was definitely a close one. So that was, that was, you know, that shows you how.


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[Assistant] Yeah, something I heard, something about a sushi roll or when he fell or I think he was kind of, you know, uh, complaining or talking about track prep and things like that. Really? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I didn't get to the real gist of it, you know, I think, uh, like I said, I wasn't, I wasn't listening. This is all kind of hearsay. So maybe I'm way, way off, but yes, he, uh,


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[Assistant] He, uh, I think, I think, I think a lot of guys were after practice, you know, I had talked to AC, you know, and he's man, the track, you know, everybody had a little bit on the track, you know, and especially with the 450, you know, like, like the 250 guys, maybe not as much, but with the power the 450s have, um, you know, and, and look, the one thing about HangTown, you've raced it a ton of times, like,


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[Assistant] If you, if you're a little bit not feeling it or the motorcycles a little bit off at Hangtown, it really is magnified at Hangtown. And I believe that Paula too, but Hangtown with the acceleration bumps, uhm, with the dirt being a bit more, it's a lot more clay based. They didn't put a lot of sawdust or


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[Assistant] Back in the day they'd put, remember they'd put the kernel of the rice in it, the husk of the rice.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it would get really soft and things like that. So as these ruts develop and then it got hot, like


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[Assistant] The track dries out and those bumps become curbs and the ruts become curbs.


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[Assistant] Uh, but as for AP, yeah, I believe watching him ride, uh, you know, the bit that I got to watch, he was riding well. He was, I feel like we're going to see some really strong rides from AP coming up here. I think he's kind of back into finding his own and, and, uh, you know, this is kind of, I think, you know, I know, we know he's a good supercross rider, but I would, I would


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[Assistant] I think if he can finish out outdoors up there on the, you know, a couple of times on the box racing for that second, third spot, I believe we see a potentially a different AP for, for, for the last, uh, SMX rounds.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to be honest, Ricky, when, when, when, uh, I think it was Friday morning, somebody's like, Oh, Chase isn't racing. I'm like, what? I didn't hear that. This like, I'm kind of involved in this industry. And I'm like, I didn't know he went down. I think it was Tuesday, uh, at Paula is what I heard was Tuesday, but then he rode.


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[Assistant] I believe he rode Wednesday at Elsinore from, from IG footage, uhm, from just, you know, uh, trolling around on Instagram. Uhm, I believe he rode Wednesday. Uhm, so maybe not feeling right, you know, with his body, obviously with his head too, and they decided to sit it out, which is a total bummer. Yea, total bummer. Cause honestly, like,


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[Assistant] Right now with where Dylan's at, where Coop's at, where AP's at, like.


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[Assistant] It looked like Jett, if Jett was riding around at probably 70%, I hate to say that. The kid had definitely a bit more in the tank. Uhm, you know, so taking away his main competitor was, uh, was a bit of a bummer. I wasn't, wasn't expecting that.


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[Assistant] So it was like, seriously, I think we were Friday morning where we were.


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[Assistant] Uhm, or Friday when we got to, got to Hangtown, I think we were in the hotel and it was like, oh, Chase is racing. I'm like, what? Like I, I had no idea. Like it was totally, I was, I was actually shocked.


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[Assistant] They are, they're, they're fast and, and I, I jumped on vital two to just kind of see what's on their troll around and see.


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[Assistant] You know, cause I know this was gonna be a topic. I've seen some questions come across through, I knew, I knew that Denny, Denny's question was gonna be brought up and.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, I think somebody, I just was reading this morning about, uh, the first turn and did we have first turn crashes? RC, you had a, had a decent first turn crash at Hangtown, the one, I think, I don't know what year it was, you were Suzuki, 450, came in, washed the front and then your feet came off, you did a Superman and you crashed in the first turn.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I'm referencing the Jmart and the...


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[Assistant] And uh, Mosman crash, right here we have.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, like, I can go back and reference Vegas Supercross. We have data on when I was racing, data on my bike coming into the stadium.


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[Assistant] To a, to a concrete wall essentially, right? You're in the stadium floor and you're racing in from the outside. We hit seven, I think it was 69 or 70 miles an hour coming into the stadium off the single into a flat left-hand turn. So as for these guys today versus.


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[Assistant] When you were racing and then I raced a bit longer after you, like, yes, the speeds have always been, been high since we've kind of gone to 450. Now has it, are they going a bit faster? Yes, I think they're going a bit faster. Are the bikes a bit?


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[Assistant] Faster, yes, I think, but I also think the bikes are easier to ride than what we rode. Like they're, they're, as the sport evolves, the bikes get faster, but they also get more refined. Um, I think, I believe suspension and chassis and electronics for,


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[Assistant] That are riding that pace when they do have a mistake, uhm, if they're not able to, I don't know, what do you call it? If they're not able to, you know,


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[Assistant] Keep it together, you know what I mean? Like some guy, like Ricky, you rode...


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[Assistant] On the edge, it wasn't the prettiest, but you made it work. You had a lot of crashes, but you also had more saves than you had crashes. Same with me, I was a bit on the edge. A lot of saves, not as many crashes.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I, I don't think, like you said, it comes down to speed is the killer in car crashes and in, in, in our sport too. Uhm, guys, unless,


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[Assistant] You know, we were just talking about Hangtown being a one line track, being a bit slower in some areas, and we still have guys first turn, Moseman getting knocked out, uh, J-Mart breaking his arm in the first turn, like, it's par for the course of our sport, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Can you fix it? Sure you can fix it, but it's gonna take a whole redesign of displacement. Like, it's not tracks. I mean we can build jumps that guys cannot jump.


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[Assistant] But what are we going to build an 80 foot double instead of a, you know, a 45 foot double double and now guys are quadding or tripling it, right? So it's.


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[Assistant] You know, and it's, it's like, do, does our riders, are we to a point where the riders are, are everybody is pushing the limits? Maybe this is the next stage of like call it a little bit of evolution where like everybody's going a bit, they're starting to go a bit faster and they haven't, they haven't, uh,


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[Assistant] Um, they haven't figured out that pace yet. They haven't reigned that, that pace in yet. So, so give it six months, a year's time. And what we're seeing today's pace where guys are crashing things like this next year, will we see a more refined set of riders able to go this pace? Less mistakes, less crashing. Um,


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[Assistant] You know, because it evolves every year, like it does get, it does get a little bit faster, uhm, yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's never, I mean, currently as a 450 or, you know, call it 2014, my last year, back to your point of like racing James. Cause we both got to race James and we knew that James was, was a jumper. Um, no, the 450 was never a question of.


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[Assistant] Do we have the, have the power? Like occasionally you'd have a, say a triple out of a turn where like, man, you're really gonna have to carry good corner speed because it's a long, a long triple out of a turn. But yeah, I would think the same thing. Like, okay, I'm not jumping this.


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[Assistant] Unless I have to and the one that's going to be the deciding factor is, is it's going to be James because if James jumps it, he's my main competitor a lot of weekends and if he jumps it, I have to jump it because


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[Assistant] We're all on the same page when it comes to jumping things. Occasionally, Brayton, Justin would, would, would pull something out, but Jay, uh, Brayton was a very, very calculated.


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[Assistant] Uhm, precise guy when it came to jumping things and, and uh,


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[Assistant] And actually Justin was one that I would use a lot, like if there was a, even a stadium supercross triple, we're so used to hitting them.


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[Assistant] Five to six, eight miles an hour faster than what it takes to jump the jump.


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[Assistant] I would actually use him as a gauge for me. I'd go out, I'd look around, okay, they're jumping the triples. And I would jump in behind Justin or somebody that I really knew that wouldn't his first couple laps, they're not just going to send it and put that scrub into it and, and really overemphasize the speed and what you need to do to jump the jump. And I would go and.


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[Assistant] Just all I needed was one time to jump it behind somebody and get how fast I needed to hit it. And then I was good for the night. Right. So, um, yeah, it's, it's an interesting topic speed. Um, I do, I do think that when it comes down to the tracks and like you said, like,


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[Assistant] Really long straightaways and things like that. Sure. Could we start to design tracks that have, that aren't one, you know, 100 to 200, 300 yard long straightaways and things like that? Sure we can.


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[Assistant] But that's not something that you can just snap your fingers or that's gonna happen overnight. You know, like a lot of these guys in tracks and promoters and the Coombs' and promoters have to sit down and say hey,


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[Assistant] You know, I think it can be done. I think it can be done.


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[Assistant] Getting everybody on the same page to then adapt our tracks to, to our bikes. And I think is, is maybe what we, is kind of what we need to see is what we may be meaning to start working towards is, is, is building our tracks for the bikes, meaning


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[Assistant] Not, not letting these guys get into, not that we ever get into fifth gear, but where you're seeing these really, really high speed sections. But the other, on the other side of it is we just watched Chase's crash at Paula. It wasn't a super high speed section.


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[Assistant] To be honest, he came in there, the track was fresh and he kind of just, he lost the front and rear tire at this similar same time right here, right there.


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[Assistant] It got loose and it high-sided him. So like to me right there, that that was, uh, a rider mistake or.


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[Assistant] I think that when they decided to go to metal greats for, so what the, what was so,


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[Assistant] Emphasizing on practice for lap time for gate pick, right? So uhm.


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[Assistant] I don't know about the start button. I personally, uhm, I, I like the start button, especially for smaller guys like me and you.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I, I do think that, that having dirt starts


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[Assistant] Uh, first of all, make you, make you have to have a good, uhm, practice time. It, it, it puts more emphasis on practice.


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[Assistant] That with greats, you, you equalize the playing field behind the gate, you know, and I think even with the, with the starting button, like we've had before up, you know, we've always, we've had that the last 20 years, let's call it and, um,


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[Assistant] Like I like the starting button. I don't think the starting button should go anywhere, but part of outdoors is, is having a dirt start. You know, I know that MXGP has gone to it, uh, for, for greats. We're super cross. We have greats. Um, and I, they're just trying to make it more familiar.


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[Assistant] The great outdoors has always had, um, dirt starts and I think that's kind of something that, that, uh, I think they should go back to. I mean, I, I just think it comes down to gate prep. How's your mechanic prep the gate? Where are you picking it? Cause, and also too, they're not going to launch out of the, out of the, if you're talking first, if we're talking speed, they're not going to launch out of the gate.


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[Assistant] Uhm, as fast as they would with dirt. So we might be coming into the first turn at Hangtown now or Paula or any one of our nationals, three to five mile file, three to five miles an hour faster, uhm, verse a metal metal starting or verse a dirt starting, uhm, pad, right? So.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I mean, I mean, we can debate all this you want round and round and round, but uhm, yeaah, I, I, I do think that, that dirtstarts are, that's outdoors to me.


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[Assistant] Well, starting techniques, right? Starting techniques coming down to the, the perfect or the, the release of the clutch. Now, to be honest, we, we know nobody's getting wheel spin. So now it really comes down to we, we've eliminated one to two or three things you have to be perfect on. Now it's.


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[Assistant] Really, it's reaction time and getting your shift points right.


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[Assistant] That's what it comes down to before, or uh, now, before it was reaction time, getting your shift points right, making sure that you, you get out of the gate good, you don't explode the rear tire and spin it, or you don't not spin it enough and it wheelies out of the dirt. So I think it takes another element out of it. Now it's just clutch release and shift points and reaction time.


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[Assistant] I agree. I think, I mean, I agree with that. If you don't shorten the straightaways and you make the jumps steeper, we're going to run into guys rushing the jumps, trying to scrub harder. You might get more foot pegs caught on the takeoffs of the jumps if you make them steeper and more super crossy for outdoor, like for the outdoor track.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you run into, run into that issue. I just, I really think that like, really like where we were, uh, topic was where we were, where the lapper and Joe hitting the, hitting the lapper. Did you see how slow that off camber was? I just think if you really want to make a quick change, and I mean, jumping on a dozer and changing it now,


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[Assistant] And really that quick is making the tracks more technical like this, where they have to, like you see they're standing up through there, they're only going about, like Joe fell, right? He fell, he got up, like it was a crash.


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[Assistant] It was a low speed crash, so low speed crash is 9 times out of 10. You're gonna just jump right back up and you're gonna get going. So, uhm, old redbud, for example, went up on the hillside, uhm, after the start, go down, big step down, and that whole hillside over there,


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[Assistant] Had about two, two more, I think, off cameras than we do currently.


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[Assistant] Uh, back when I was racing, so slowing those sections down to where, yeah, you can have a high speed section where it comes in. Maybe it's third, fourth gear coming into it, but you go down to three, four miles an hour and then back up to, you know, 40 miles an hour where.


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[Assistant] Tight sections is one line. So there's that happy medium.


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[Assistant] They are. No, they are. They are. I look like you said, we could band-aid. We could, we can fix, uh, we could fix, uh, a bit of these things, but ultimately, like you said, the bikes are fast in, uh,


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[Assistant] And that's just, that's just where our sport is currently. You know, like I don't, like it's not pro motocross, not supercross. These guys are all putting in the work. They're all trying to make it the best they can.


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[Assistant] They do, it's a, it's a, you got the elevation that comes into play, right, for the rider standpoint. It also makes a big, big difference with the motorcycle performance and power.


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[Assistant] We never had that option back when I was racing. I doubt you had that option. So we would show up there, uh, get the bike jetted the best we could. Um, and then we would start in first gear. So big, uh, that's kind of a big, um,


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[Assistant] I call it, you know, like that's a, that's, that's something you gotta learn or get, you know, be accustomed to knowing that you show up to Colorado. Okay. We're doing first gear starts here, which is not typical for, for our motorcycles. So it's a bit different. I mean, literally you got to shift to second gear as the rear tire is going over the gate, right? So you got about.


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[Assistant] You know, it's four feet before you're grabbing second, you know, so that, I mean, your foot is right up on the foot peg and you got to shift.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then in the altitude, like I said, it makes a difference in the bike and it 100% makes a difference in the performance of, of these guys' bodies. Uhm, you know, being up that high, racing for 30 minutes, like, it definitely takes a different toll on you than, than racing down at sea level.


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[Assistant] I will be going to Thunder Valley, yep, going, uh, going out, uh, on Thursday or Friday, going to check that one out. And, uh, yeah, so trying to hit all the close ones while I can without the long travel, you know, it's like, I love going to the races. I love seeing everybody, but man, I go, I look and I'm like,


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[Assistant] The travels, I just dread it, man. I dread the travel part of it.


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[Assistant] That's right, yeah, and guys, uh, I know Ritmi and you Ricky were talking about, hey, let us know, hit us up on the DMs. Would you guys be interested in, uh, wearing some sweat? We were talking about doing some hats, maybe some t-shirts, some giveaway stuff.


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[Assistant] You know, so if you- bands, if you guys would be into that type of stuff, DM us.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so let us know. We'll, uh, we'll start working on it if you guys are keen on it.


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[Assistant] A lot of people have like opinions over those too much emphasis on one race and that's the greatest thing in the world, but from like being at the event on the ground, talking to people like yourself and you know, like guys like Paul Parabinos, Nick Way, like everyone has a Loretta story and you know, your generation


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[Assistant] It builds, there's so much pressure there, there's so much emphasis on that one race, like if you can win that championship, like you're, you're a bad dude, uhm, no matter what, and then, you know, you can see, probably you can speak to this RV, like you can,


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[Assistant] Not win at the ranch for your entire career almost. And then that almost fuels you into your professional career. So it's such a crazy crucible, um, that has produced some amazing talent. So it was really, really honestly, cool to be a part of it.


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[Assistant] Maybe, like, I definitely think that there would be, there would be a lot of kids that would do it.


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[Assistant] And shout out to some Aussie guys, man. I mean, Huxley Nolan was there, Tiger Wood was there, Brad West, who I'm with in California now. I mean, and there was more too. So there is Aussie families that commit. They know that this is the route.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to the, the professional ranks and uhm, and it was, it was pretty cool to see some, some Aussie kids there, but I think to your point too, I've ate like


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[Assistant] Man, I went for a hangin', and I thought to myself, and I had a lot of people hitting me up on Instagram be like, can anyone just go and watch, like, could I go next year? And uhm, I honestly, I think...


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[Assistant] Man, Travis Pastrana has a saying, Winners win. And, you know, I think that, uhm,


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[Assistant] The good thing about Loretta, so here's what Loretta doesn't transfer over. The track's super weird.


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[Assistant] So he was, we, we walked up and we were watching Motos. And then I was like, I was like, oh, so this happened yesterday with Brownie. He's like, yeah, I watched the feed. So like he knew everything. He knew everyone where everyone qualified. Like he's such a legitimate.


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[Assistant] Career here was done basically and, um, and it, it's crazy. So Jeremy Malott from Red Bull.


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[Assistant] So he said, he's like, dude, we need to get this voiceover with Dunge, but I want it to be like real natural, like almost podcast audio. So he literally gave me his Red Bull card and said, go to guitar center, get some mics and like, let's do, let's you do a podcast with him to.


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[Assistant] Like we'll try and get this audio. And so we did like this two and a half or two hour podcast.


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[Assistant] And, um, and I mean, I really enjoyed it as well. And I was a huge like podcast fan. Well, I'd only ever listened to Joe Rogan basically.


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[Assistant] And then yeah, it was like, it was kind of a weird time, like Toby Price won the Dakar. So he came home, my brother manages him. So he came home and I was like, sweet, I'll get him on the podcast. And then my friend, Harley Clifford, he's a monster athlete. He won his 10th wakeboard world championship.


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[Assistant] Snowballed, and it was in, like this was early 2018, when uhm,


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[Assistant] When that just, it wasn't as big as, as what it is. So right time, right place, right people kind of thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know, like I feel like you gotta kind of take the good with the bad, like there's definitely some stuff I think a lot of people don't have.


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[Assistant] But yea, honestly, I just feel extremely lucky to do what I do, and I, I love to, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I think too though, like I definitely, there's like an internal responsibility that comes with that though. So I think that like, hey, we, there's definitely people that post videos on YouTube talking about our sport that like, there's no politics, they're not owned by anyone. And they're saying some way out there stuff.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, there's definitely like a responsibility that comes with having an audience and I'll probably, like there's probably a couple things that I regret.


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[Assistant] Like, maybe not me saying, but the guest saying, and then me maybe not like filtering that out, but you know, it was a while ago. Uhm, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] 70,000 dollar drone through the jungle like this. It was a, it was an experience, this whole, this whole trip. And so Austin Faulkner was there on a supermini, you were there. Uh, and one of the last days we were doing like this kind of trail riding stuff, like trying to get these shots of them riding down by the river.


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[Assistant] Dude, we're driving home and they just won a soccer game and it took like an hour to get home because the streets dude, it was like a, like a celebration, you know, like people were on roofs and they were like Costa Rican flags everywhere. Police were just driving around with their lights on just for the hell of it. It was, that was, it was sick.


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[Assistant] I think that what you've seen with him in the last 12 or 10 months is just a kid that has just grown in confidence and I sent a message to Brian


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[Assistant] And then Hunter does move up to the 450 class, then what's in Hayden's brain? Well, I'm going to win every single moto. That's the only dude that could beat me.


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[Assistant] You think about what it takes to rebound from having the red plate, losing the red plate.


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[Assistant] Most rookies that would kind of melt their, you know, melt them down and, and he, he went to another level. So I think, I think, and to speak on Hunter, it's like, I think he's probably ready. I think he's probably better on a 450. I think we saw Jet be better on a 450. I think that.


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[Assistant] If you look at a track that didn't do well out last, last year, it was Unadela, like that was a bit of a bad weekend for him. But again, I think like, there's just something to be said for what he can do on a 450. Like, let's be honest, 250s are slow.


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[Assistant] So in my head I'm like, is Unidil a bad track for Jett or is Unidil a track that...


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[Assistant] On the 250 with the way that you got to ride it, it's just not the way that, um, it just doesn't jive with him, you know? But yeah, I think at this point in the season with the amount of motos that he's won, I think that if you were a person that was betting and you put money, you would be an idiot to bet against Jert.


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[Assistant] You know, like it's a sport we kind of have to, you know, and like on the broadcast, it's like, can it be today? But I will say like I was in the truck at Washougal with the boy. They didn't like that. Not that they didn't like that track. That's a difficult track for them, you know? So it's like, that was a real storyline. Like I think that.


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[Assistant] If Jett lost to Moto at Washoe Eagle, he would have come straight out and said like, oh well, it's going to end sometime. Like, this is a hard track.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's like as a, as a sport, you know, and as analysts, like you gotta look for those.


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[Assistant] What if scenarios, you know, but it's like we've, but then I think at the same time, like there has to be a balance of, Hey, what we're watching is really, really special.


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[Assistant] I think there's been some comments like, oh, Jett's not changing the game. And you know, he's not, he's not doing what other guys before him have done. And man, I completely disagree. Like Loretta's this week.


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[Assistant] It was like the Jet Lawrence effect and like people were saying it over the, the, the PA. It's like, oh, he's riding this line like Jet Lawrence. Dudes were like the tunnel jump after the finish. Guys are like doubling down the, you know, everyone's doubling bumps like.


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[Assistant] We have Cooper on a different bike. Like how insane is that? That you see a dude start a super gross season on one bike and then essentially finish.


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[Assistant] The Supercross is on another bike and it's like, and it's all above board. It's all, that's how it's going down, you know?


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[Assistant] Just think about, it's, for me it's the most exciting, like this is why I love my job, because it's like, this is the most exciting time, I think, Supercross has ever had. Like, to that point, in two teams, you've got four dudes that are as gnarly as a get. And then you have-


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[Assistant] The first, maybe the, um, Charlotte and the last one, maybe I'll go to all three. I'm actually on a bit of a, what a bit of a press conference mission at this point. That's one of the, um, that's one of the areas of the game that I think our sport really needs to develop. Um, and I think that it's, it's gotta be, it's gotta be from the media side.


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[Assistant] I mean, I completely agree. Maybe not so much suit and ties. I think what I would say is, I think you should dress how you want to dress. Like, express yourself. I would like to see Aaron Plessinger come in a flannel with like a Red Bull and a KTM logo and a county car.


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[Assistant] You know, and then yea, some sleeves cut off, and then I think Kenny should rock up in a suit, and I think Jet should rock up in like whatever $500 stupid shirt that he bought. I think Deegan should rock up, you know, I think Deegan should rock up wearing whatever, sorry they've got some alarm going off.


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[Assistant] Some of the sports that I follow and really enjoy, I mean, dude, I'll be watching a USC watch the main event.


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[Assistant] And then, while I'm watching that, I've got my iPad going, because the press conference is going.


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[Assistant] Multifaceted, but I think like maybe us as media need to get together and say like, hey, let's not just try and steal our one-on-one what happened this weekend. Maybe there's a way where it's like ask all your questions at the press conference. Don't be doing the one-on-one marketing. If I ask the question, I clip it for my channel. You can't clip it for your channel. And then you get your quote, like let's.


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[Assistant] Super cool and give fans more of an inside look and create, like, the content that can live off from that. You guys playing it, you know, clips on your show, reacting to it. I think that, yeaah, we're leaving a lot on the table, so I guess that kind of took over the question there, but uhm,


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[Assistant] We've only seen it once though, and I think that's kind of sad. So I think that there's something, so if that's what he wanted to do, and then we never saw it again, there's a reason. Something's...


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[Assistant] Let's maybe let a few things, you know, let's, let's experiment. Let's no wrong answers here and, um, and, you know, see if, see if we can kind of, I don't know, maybe I just think it's a part of a big part of sports, like really growing, you know.


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[Assistant] Ryan that did stop you, like did you feel a weird pressure to be a certain way or you were just like so in the grind that it wasn't?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and I think, uh, I think nowadays, you know, like you guys were just part of this evolution, you know, like you look back at.


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[Assistant] Division, I think Supercross is a sport in terms of how it's run, how it's promoted, the TV, but like everything is way in like this purple patch right now. And I think like we've got a chance to almost like pick the direction.


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[Assistant] You know, like let's pick what we want to go. Like, do we want to have these guys being able to show their personality? Do we want to have more engagement? And so I think we're lucky in that sense now. And it's like, we, we really do have a chance to almost like guide this thing in the direction, you know, that we, that we want to go all the, all the ingredients are there to cook something pretty special.


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[Assistant] No, I appreciate you guys. Uhm, yeaah. It's really cool. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Maybe you guys don't get the credit that you deserve to because neither of you need to be here, you know?


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[Assistant] I think, uh, you, uh, V, you could still be crushing cores at a river somewhere. Ricky, you could be, uh, you could be doing the same thing. And I think that the fact that you guys are two, I mean, between us three, there's 25 championships at this table. You know what I mean? So, but the fact that you guys are still.


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[Assistant] I just want to say thank you for having me on. I appreciate you guys. And, uh, and yeah, we're very lucky as fans to have shows like this to tune into.


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[Assistant] It's crazy and it kind of just goes to show anything can happen and it is a long series and man, it's, it was just hard to process all, but honestly, especially after Denver, I was kind of in shock for a while.


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[Assistant] Honestly, in that main event, it was, it all kinda came to me last lap, uhm, it was, I was kinda out by myself the whole race and I was really just locked in and focused on winning the race and then,


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[Assistant] Last lap, it all kind of, uh, kind of hit me and crossed the finish line.


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[Assistant] It was just such a good atmosphere. I felt like the fans there really react to what's going on and it was uh, it was just cool overall and obviously that's what I've worked for since I was...


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[Assistant] This whole supercross season, which is kind of crazy with how good my qualifying speed is. I, I didn't do any sprint laps. I focused on the main events and obviously that's where you get paid and the points are paid out obviously. So for me, I, I just kind of split my mindset, my mindset being


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[Assistant] After Seattle, it was weird. Like I didn't really have a lot of emotion after that race. I've been crashing while leading. I was like, almost like everything was depleted out of me. I was kind of not over it, but I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what was going on.


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[Assistant] Didn't feel like I had much, uh, room for error, especially just when the track gets rougher. So, after that, I, I don't know, I just...


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[Assistant] Atlanta was the biggest race for me, I think. That was kind of where everything flipped. My mindset changed to like, okay, like this is, it's not impossible to win these races when I'm out front leading.


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[Assistant] I won Detroit with Aaron going down and kind of coming through the pack. I didn't have enough time to think about winning the race actually, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a lot more confident, obviously, and it has really translated into race wins and four out of the last six wins.


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[Assistant] Dominance, uh, over the field some.


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[Assistant] Obviously stoked and stoked to win the championship and it's honestly motivated me to want to win even more because I think like both of you know winning is very addicting so I'm excited for the future.


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[Assistant] Getting tired. I just have had those mistakes and it's kind of taken me out. I haven't even gotten to the end of the race to have a chance to battle. I take myself out 10 minutes in, so.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I just, uh, like I said, after Atlanta, that was the biggest, the biggest hurdle I got over was winning that race, uhm, with Justin and Kenny behind me the whole time. I knew that I couldn't fall off and I needed to stay consistent and I honestly didn't let myself


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[Assistant] It was more just the bike, myself, mentally, and then once you get that one, it all just seems a lot easier after that.


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[Assistant] Uh, just kind of clear, clear the mind. I think sometimes I'd be worried about a certain obstacle on the track. And when you do that every lap or 20 laps nowadays that we race, it's.


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[Assistant] It takes a toll on you and then stuff can happen, so.


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[Assistant] I guess letting the little things get to me during the week and then on the weekends I was able to kinda just, I don't know, get it done.


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[Assistant] This year, I was like, man, I don't even know what the last 10 minutes of these banes feel like because I'm either laying on the ground or, uh, coming from behind, so.


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[Assistant] I was a little bit, not bummed on, but missed that, missed that goal. So let's save that for next year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's just, I mean, even like, you guys know, obviously, that nothing worth having comes easy and you guys had to go through your hurdles, whatever they were. And I mean, for me, it's not, it doesn't feel as good.


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[Assistant] at the end when everything was perfect. So this season, like I said, I had to go through a lot and kind of


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[Assistant] Not, I just feel like during the middle of the year, the only guy that could beat me was myself and if I could get away from that and kind of focus on myself and not.


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[Assistant] Not get too down and fix the problems I was having, uhm, I could be pretty, uh, unstoppable. So, it was, it was good just to feel like


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[Assistant] In the races, when I go to the line, I'm confident that I can win.


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[Assistant] Like, it makes me respect Eli and all those guys and obviously YouTube way more because not only is it hard to win races in that class but be there for 17.


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[Assistant] And not have injuries, not, uhm, not have mental hiccups. It's, it's definitely tough, so.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I definitely wouldn't trade it because I think now like you said, I'm


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[Assistant] This winning is super addicting. I feel like I haven't really had that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, consistency, being able to win since, well, I mean, maybe a little bit outdoors, but especially at Supercross since the 2PG class and it kind of feels a lot more familiar now and.


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[Assistant] It's, uh, yeaah, like I said, all I can say is it's addicting and I won't, I wanna keep doing it, but man, those lessons, I wouldn't, wouldn't trade them for the world.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I don't feel like I even came close to my ceiling.


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[Assistant] Obviously it takes a lot of energy, but that's uh, that's why we trained for three months in the offseason to get ready and I uh, like I said, I think this year in Supercross I felt


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[Assistant] Not, obviously I didn't win, but how to be a champion and what it takes to get to that. So, it's uh, definitely cool and yeah, we have.


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[Assistant] A lot of stiff competition and I think that's what makes it exciting. You don't want to go out there and be riding around. Obviously you want to win a lot.


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[Assistant] Like RC win, win a perfect season, but it's, it's all about the competition and being challenged every weekend.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I feel like outdoor races are so long, in 30 minutes you do it twice, so.


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[Assistant] Just, I feel like how to be consistent and how to put yourself in the right positions last year was what I kinda took from him and this year it was more me battling myself, honestly. I don't think, like I said, I think the only person


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[Assistant] I really had to battle myself and kinda teach myself some things and.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I get, like I said, I get through that mental block I had and that was the biggest struggle for me.


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[Assistant] There's always going to be last things every year and that's my goal is just to get better and better. And this year coming in the Supercross, obviously the goal was to win a championship. But my main goal was to progress from last year and, uhm, win more races. I only won one race last year. So one to...


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[Assistant] Got Ryan Villapoto as well. Got a special big guest coming up a little later in the show. 250 East Coast Supercross Champ, Hunter Lawrence. Pretty good interview. Can't wait to talk to him.


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[Assistant] Uh, but nevertheless, man, we gotta thank our sponsors, United Motorsports, Boxo Tools, and of course, Quadlock.


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[Assistant] Uh, best phone cases in the business. So make sure you check them out and, uh, we're thankful that you're enjoying the ride with us. Nevertheless, man, RV, let's step right into it. Little Nashville breakdown. I think the biggest thing for me and I'm sure for you is the track, how tough it was.


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[Assistant] You know what's crazy to me is like when I was watching that, that race and I don't have...


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[Assistant] I don't know exactly why, but it seemed like, like the lappers, like they, they were just put in a position where they couldn't get out of the way. Not, and I'm not blaming them. I'm just like, I'm watching like.


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[Assistant] They're going to be a crucial point later on in this race because they, it's like they couldn't move out of the way if they tried to move out of the way they were in the way.


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[Assistant] That, uh, the dragon back too, dude. That thing was so gnarly. I mean, and you touched on it, I think just with the track conditions.


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[Assistant] I mean, those guys bust their tails every single weekend. And maybe it's because we were racing through the daytime that the moisture wasn't staying in.


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[Assistant] I don't know, that track I can tell you this much, but I'm sure I can speak for you. I am glad I don't race on days like that.


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[Assistant] I mean, he was going for it right there at the, at the heat race. And then, uh, we're watching some sound right, or some tape.


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[Assistant] And it's, it's the incident of Cooper Webb and he just goes around that corner. And if you watch, and I don't know.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I, I don't know if, if, if Cooper leans the bike over too much and you see, or was he giving too much room for, for Eli, was he reacting to Eli?


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[Assistant] Watch when he comes down the straightaway. He looks back but watch his head gesture. Okay, roll the tape. We're rolling the tape and we're gonna watch.


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[Assistant] People said that he looked back, but watch what he starts doing after he looks back, okay? Watch. And then watch right here. Look at his head.


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[Assistant] Before the dragon back and then now you got a little karma by going down. Obviously he didn't know at the time it was that severe, so.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's a great kid. I really like him. I don't think he has a bad bone in his body. He even tried to come up to Cooper Webb or watching Cooper Webb. That's his dad there that he's hugging. He's down there before he gets, uh, uh, taken off to a local hospital for further evaluation when he ended up spending the night. But Adam Ciancerulo, he's like, he said that he didn't want to ride or finish the heat race.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and like I said, he approached Cooper after to, to, to apologize.


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[Assistant] Uh, have you ever been in that position where...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I want to be again crystal clear on the move and the replays that we've been watching.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with, with when Cooper went down and you see Eli looking back and, and, and you almost see like a nod, like he's like, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] And, and for sure, you know, that, that, that just has to be like he went down. Obviously he's not shaking his head because he knew that he was hurt. So, uh, just for full clarity and transparency, I don't think Eli is certainly not that type of guy, not that type of competitor. And he was probably just like, ha, karma, uh,


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[Assistant] You got me on the one corner and then, and then you went down.


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[Assistant] So uhm, and you just have to think any competitor at this level never wants to win that way. I think you'd want to win heads up. So, full transparency and I just want to be crystal clear there. Uhm, Justin Varsha.


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[Assistant] That was a gnarly crash, dude. The worst. I mean, there you go.


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[Assistant] I hate to see that too, because like, hey, we had him on last week. He was certainly gaining momentum.


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[Assistant] He had a great, great opportunity to be on the podium. He was gonna be on the podium again. I don't think he was gonna catch Eli, but still.


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[Assistant] Just in a great position and now, you know, we're hearing what, he's got a broken collarbone, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, assuming that that is true, that's what, that's what we're hearing from a whole bunch of people. I mean, you gotta figure what, that's at least six weeks. If he has surgery, if he has to have it plated, just total speculation here.


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[Assistant] You know what sucks is like some people like looking at it as a whole in these seasons and you prep so long is that now he was not going to get third in the championship, Supercross Championship. His...


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[Assistant] Pro motocross championship is pretty much hosed because he's gonna, he's gonna miss several races there. It's gonna be hard to gain that back, so.


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[Assistant] Right, so now, and, and you've talked about this RV, it gives riders that may be missed out in the supercross championship, riders that missed out in the pro motocross championship to come and take another crack at it. It's a three race playoff system and if,


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[Assistant] Dude, you cannot count this guy out. So, if I'm Justin Barsha,


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[Assistant] There's still a lot to look forward to despite.


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[Assistant] Right, uhm, quad lock question of the week. Uh, this is a good one. Uhm, and it comes from Efrain underscore 103 says,


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[Assistant] What mindset would you and RV have if you were in Eli's and Chase's position and ironically,


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[Assistant] Uh, Eli Tomac talks about it, uhm, after the race and we're going to roll you some tape and you listen.


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[Assistant] It was a fantastic ride by Chase and some great insight. Loved hearing what you had to say.


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[Assistant] I was thinking after the race RV and I'm like doing an, like a rewind of the whole.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Monster Energy Supercross Championship of all the problems and how much we've heard about Chase not liking his bike and where it struggles and if there was any track


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[Assistant] Where he could have screwed up and, and where that bike wouldn't have worked, I would have thought that, that Nashville was the track. So it just makes you wonder and scratch your head. Yeah, I know Honda and the whole team's been working hard to get them more comfortable, but dude.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's why it's so incredible. I know I'm jumping all over the place. That's why I really respect what Chase has done and to your point, winning in situations like this, he can use this and pay it forward.


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[Assistant] Say in the outdoor, uh, motocross championship, SMX playoff rounds, and even next year supercross learning to win in these conditions is just, is just going to help him for the next season. But it's crazy how nothing happened on that night.


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[Assistant] Slide into RDM and then we'll forge you on to a quad lock case. Quad lock. Thank you for doing this. That was a...


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[Assistant] A really good question. Uhm, Hayden Lewis 307, not the, not the winner.


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[Assistant] For the week, but he asked, do you really think Sexton has a shot at coming back? And I'll take this one.


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[Assistant] Is, uh, obviously mathematically he does, but you heard that great soundbite and you heard what RV had to say about where Eli is. I mean, Eli is 31 years old. He's a two time champ, fixing to be three times super cross champion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you just, I mean, unless something crazy happens, there's no shot that Sexton wins this. And trust me, I want everyone to tune in. And it's been a crazy, crazy, crazy year, especially after this last weekend. But I don't, like I said, mathematically he has a chance.


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[Assistant] But, uh, against a guy like, like Eli Tomac and, and where he's at in his career, there's no shot. I mean.


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[Assistant] There's no one can beat you in this situation, RV, so on and so forth, so forth. And the reason I'm a flex for RV and I right here, the reason that we know this is because we've been in this, this situation.


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[Assistant] Uhm, multiple times, not just for Supercross championships, but our pro motocross championships, uh, when you have multiple.


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[Assistant] Uhm, hey, guess what, Boxo USA is doing a, uh, a little special winter action, and this guy...


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[Assistant] Real ones in action. He's been a listener from the first show. And, uh, we did a little, uh, trivia on the Title 24 Instagram page about, uh, asking about questions and


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[Assistant] If we would have added RV to that question that we talked about with the King of Supercross in the broadcast.


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[Assistant] The answer is 170 wins, 14 championships. That represents 23% of all SX wins. So almost a quarter.


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[Assistant] Real ones in action. Guess what, dude? You're the lucky winner, uhm, of an eight-piece American flag handle screwdriver set from Boxo USA.


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[Assistant] Title 24, that's awesome. From the first one, dude, we got, uh, we got some loyalty going on here.


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[Assistant] That was a, uh, that was a wild one, but before we go, uh, thank you United Motorsports. I saw Ray Butz this weekend in company.


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[Assistant] QuadLockCase.com and BoxoUSA.com


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[Assistant] Well, this is a very, very special moment here today on Title 24 with RV and I. We got the 250 East Coast Supercross Champ.


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[Assistant] Uh, Mr. Hunter Lawrence and you just heard the sound right there. You've had a couple days to marinate.


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[Assistant] On this and how does it feel two days later, my friend?


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[Assistant] You, uh, it was a pretty difficult track for sure. And, uh, tell me what, tell us real quick, like what the day was like and what was the biggest struggle.


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[Assistant] With the track or was it mentally? What was, what was happening there?


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[Assistant] Watching some replays from you taking that, uh, that checkered flag, winning your first, uh,


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[Assistant] Championship here in the states and, and, and I just want to go back to.


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[Assistant] Your journey of, of, of accomplishing this, this championship, this East Coast championship and starting out 2020.


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[Assistant] And the injuries and really your back against the wall and never really getting your, your feet on the ground.


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[Assistant] Through that journey, was there ever a moment in time where it started to click? And do you remember like going back to the super cross track thinking, okay, I got it now. And if there was that moment, when was it?


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[Assistant] Hunter, uhm, personally it's, obviously it's an incredible accomplishment to, uh,


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[Assistant] Become a 250 super cross champion here in the states, but.


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[Assistant] Outside of your personal accomplishment and how good that feels and you made it happen, you did an incredible job. Tell us what it means.


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[Assistant] Whose is gonna be best? I personally think you're older, so your after party is gonna be better. I feel like Jets is gonna be more of a Nickelodeon scene.


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[Assistant] You, uh, you, you turn that ship around from 2020. Thank you for sharing the stories as well. Uh, congratulations to your whole inner team as well. And, and, and again, becoming a 250 East Coast Supercross champion. You worked hard for it. You deserve it.


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[Assistant] Man, RV, that was great to, uh, have a convo with the champ and, uh, always love talking to them and just how light, lighthearted they are. It just, it's feel good, you know?


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[Assistant] I think it would have helped this race longer, myself personally, and I don't, I...


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[Assistant] I don't know if it's just a different time that we live in. I mean, you and I, I mean, it was like eat, sleep, breathe, moto, didn't have time to go play golf.


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[Assistant] Didn't, you know, didn't, didn't have time to go on the boat. I mean, we had time, but we didn't do it. Cause to your point, yeah, there was a hangover not from, and you explained it perfectly. Not a hangover from drinking, but.


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[Assistant] That's how they're, like I said, I think because they have so much fun and there's obviously there's a lot of pressure, but I feel that.


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[Assistant] They keep it lighthearted and not just those two guys, most of the industry does now.


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[Assistant] It was good to hear it from Hunter's standpoint as well of how they, how they manage that. And, and you, you brought up a good point. I think it's great for them and the branding, branding wise. I mean, I don't know, maybe there's an element there that because of social media, it's made it a little bit easier to show that personality and


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[Assistant] I hope that Denver, uh, doesn't claim as many victims as, uh,


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[Assistant] As Nashville did RV, cause we don't, we don't need that.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be interesting. We got some, uh, info for you guys to tune in. Right there, you can see it. Thursday, SMX Insider, Jason Wigant, Daniel Blair on YouTube. It's gonna be good.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, Sunday, I know I'm going to be tuned into this one. Love MotoGP, or pardon me, World Superbike, but it's at Catalunya.


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[Assistant] Round, it's going to be on CNBC and that's 2 PM Eastern reason I was thinking it was MotoGP because that's where I went and watched MotoGP a few years back. But nevertheless, always, motor sports on NBC is bringing the action.


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[Assistant] If you guys didn't tune in to the, uh, broad, the, uh, IndyCar broadcast, that was a hell of a race. You missed a good one. So I'm sure you can rewind that, uh, on demand on Peacock, but, uh, you can also watch us on demand on Peacock and Motorsports on YouTube, uh, Motorsports on NBC YouTube page.


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[Assistant] It was, uh, it was a wild weekend RV. And, uh, like I said, I hope, uh, I hope Denver doesn't claim, uh, claim as many victims, but that's why we go watch these races. And that's why the guys race, right?


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Brady Harren. Today's guest on the Numberphile Podcast is the public intellectual and thought leader, Hannah Fry.


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[Assistant] Hannah's a mathematician at University College London, or UCL, and we'll be talking about her work shortly.


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[Assistant] But in recent years, Hannah's also become something of a celebrity. She's written books, fronted BBC TV shows, she makes radio programmes and podcasts, and occasionally, when time permits, even pops up in the odd number file video. So as you can guess, there's a lot I wanted to ask her about.


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[Assistant] Let's start close to the beginning. What were you like as a little girl? Like would I have known, oh, she's going to end up being a mathematician?


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[Assistant] Like to give you education, like to be wholesome or thinking that little Hannah would find this fun.


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[Assistant] So it's not like when you were doing those textbook exercises on holiday, you were enjoying that, but it gave you this skill later on that put you ahead of the curve, which then allowed you to look at mathematics in a more fun way later. It's like set you up.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Cause a lot of the mathematicians I speak to when they talk about their childhood, like confess to being a nerd, they're like, yeah, I was a nerd. Were you a nerd? Yes.


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[Assistant] And that was me. Like give me an example of something nerdy you would do besides being good at mathematics.


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[Assistant] And was that because you were like wanting to be an alpha overachiever or because you just loved mathematics? Probably both.


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[Assistant] Okay, was it the bird that made him able to walk?


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[Assistant] I'm impressed by that. So you weren't 100% like science and math then. You were showing a bit of a humanities bent at this point.


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[Assistant] So it was the process, like you liked the idea of doing the processes that they do, the craft.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So when you started studying mathematics properly at university, like did it take quickly? Was it like, yeah, this is still holding my breath. Well, obviously it was cause it became your job, but like you started to realize this was going to be your job now. Like you're all in.


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[Assistant] So you thought you'd be coming into work and say, I've had a whole new idea for the way we should design the wing and we're going to completely revolutionize it and we'd all go and, but it wasn't, it was just like, you were just like grunt work.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is, but also a big like politics. Yeah, completely. It's like a big political thing as well and a big like business financial thing.


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[Assistant] Were there lots of women, girls on your course, or was it very male dominated?


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[Assistant] When it becomes that much of a minority, does it affect your enjoyment of her or your ability to do her or you completely blind to her? Like what's it like when there's so few?


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[Assistant] Yeah. I always wished I could speak other languages. So that moment when you're in the lift with two people speaking another language who think you don't know what's going on and then you suddenly answer in their language, they're like, Oh, how embarrassing. That's like the mathematical equivalent of that. It totally is.


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[Assistant] So going back to leaving the wing factory formula one, how did you get from that back into mathematics? What was the path?


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[Assistant] So tell me about most of the work you've done. It does sound quite.


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[Assistant] What mathematical tools or processes do you use to affect this? Like, what kind of mathematics do you use?


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. Like, and suddenly you're there saying, oh, I can predict where the next burglary is going to happen or where the next bomb is going to go off or where people are going to walk in a shopping center. Do you find a resistance to that? Are people very accepting to the fact that you're just treating them like data points or?


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[Assistant] Is there a holy grail in your field? Like what's the Riemann hypothesis or the, like the ultimate thing that could be done in your field that would make that person the king or queen of, of this thing? Like what's the ultimate?


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[Assistant] Like, I don't really understand how a car engine works at a proper level. I just know that if it breaks down, I go and get it fixed. Like, so do you always need to know how something works as long as it works?


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[Assistant] I want to ask you something about doing mathematics or being a mathematician. So take away all the other things you do on the side, you know, extracurricular activities and the administration of being


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[Assistant] And academic and even take away teaching, just like when you're doing your research, what does that look like? Like, do you come into work with a notepad and a pencil and think, okay, today I'm going to have an idea? Or do you go for a walk around a park for you? What does the process of doing new mathematics look like?


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[Assistant] Do you have like a happy place or an inspirational place or a way that you give your brain a little kickstart to start thinking? Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's very hard to edit underwater, but, but like I'll go for a swim and have all these amazing ideas. And by the time I've like dried off and gotten home and it's time to work again, like all the inspiration and motivations gone, but I find water very inspiring. But yours is a walk. Will you walk around like an urban environment or does it have to be like a natural environment?


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[Assistant] Professionally, academically, what's been your proudest moment? Like what's been the paper so far? That's the one that you're like, that was really good. That was the one that you would like, you know, show another mathematician to say, look, you know, I was pretty good that day.


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[Assistant] Obviously in the last few years, a lot of people will know that you're like on TV a lot now and on the internet and on YouTube and radio and podcasts and books and all sorts of things. And we'll talk about a few of them probably shortly. How did that all start? How did you become like outreach person as well?


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[Assistant] Oh, there are 3000 people that disagree, but alright.


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[Assistant] So is it just the experience of doing it that's motivating you? Do you have like this underlying, I must do outreach for the people, I must bring math to the masses, or is that not really like motivating you?


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[Assistant] Because this side of things really become a big part of your life. I imagine it must take up a lot of your time because of some of the things you've been involved with, the books and the excellent TV programs. How has that affected your ability to still be a working mathematician?


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[Assistant] Okay, so half half. So how do you feel about that? How do you feel about being a half academic? Because it seems like something that, you know, when I hear you talk about your academic life, I see the pleasure that it gave you and the happiness and the pride and having to start squashing that more and more because of the other stuff, you know, you think you've got the balance right. How do you feel about it?


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[Assistant] The academic side of things. Has it been like, cause you know, you, I imagine you would get recognized more than you used to cause you're in television shows and things like that. Like has it been like a real positive experience for you being a public intellectual or has it been, has it been, has it been a public intellectual is probably the title of the podcast now. You're totally screwed.


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[Assistant] I'll ask you a question, but it'll be hard because it won't make you sound un-humble. So I'll ask you to be humble and self-deprecating. Answer both sides of it. When it comes to outreach, what do you think you're good at? And what part of it do you think you're still not good at? Like when you look back at stuff. What's your strength and your weakness?


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[Assistant] But you can't say I'm good at being a young woman. And get it not being a man. That's just what you are.


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[Assistant] Youtube videos? Uh, yeaah. Does that mean you've got star ratings for your number file appearances? Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] What's been your, your biggest crash so far and what's been your like highest rating? What's the, what's the high and the low so far? Ooh, that's a good question. Have you ever got a 10 or is 10 not allowed?


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[Assistant] Like, do you ever get a zero or a one? What's the lowest mark?


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[Assistant] So a low mark is at times where you feel like you've just missed the audience. You've missed you.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about your books for a second. You've done a few now. You had a few like lighthearted fun ones, one about love and stuff and one about Christmas and, and now you've written a more hardcore one. Tell me about how they were different, how writing them was different.


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[Assistant] Will you give us like 15 seconds so we can hear what that sounds like?


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[Assistant] The parts of the book that I've read, what I like about it is it does sound like you're talking to me. Like it's like, oh yeah, this is obviously, yeah, that it all makes more sense now. That's why I was going to say you're so good at writing in your voice, your chatty voice. It's because you are, it is your chatty voice. How has it been going? Like, how was it received? I know it's been nominated for some awards and stuff, so it's obviously, uh, you know.


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[Assistant] There you go. You did something right. So you get to dip your oar into a lot of the different types of outreach. Now you've got like, you know, radio and podcasts. It's really successful. You've done these television shows, a book, occasionally you even get to be in number five videos, which is amazing.


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[Assistant] So of all of those, and there is no offence to be taken here, what gives you the most pleasure? Like what are the ones, like if I said, alright, you can't do any of it anymore except one, what's the one that like, you know, feels most in your wheelhouse that you enjoy doing?


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[Assistant] So like to finish up then, like in five years time, what's the next thing? Or do you not know you're waiting for someone to offer it to you?


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[Assistant] Is mathematics still a big part of it? Like do you think in 10, 15 years you're still going to be someone who's like churning out papers and researching or like?


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[Assistant] So that's it for today. Rest assured, I will try to learn what mark out of 10 Hannah gives herself for today's interview. And I'll also do my best to get a look at that manuscript of Free as a Bird. It could be one of the great unpublished novels.


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[Assistant] The books, podcasts, and of course, Hannah's Numberphile video appearances.


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[Assistant] Thank you to the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute, MSRI, for its support of the show, and also to the Berkeley-based audio company, Meyer Sound, which made this episode possible. Links to both of them can also be found in the usual places.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, we show up at Detroit, uh, I just have to make a comment on the track, really fast track, you know, down across the start there, big, big, uh,


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[Assistant] Double, and then a quad, triple into the turn, just to...


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[Assistant] Very close in speed. So I mean, men in that 450 main event, we had five guys that were just toe to toe for many, many laps. So it was, uh, super interesting. And as a fan, I couldn't ask for anything else.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I guess they really ran it at Detroit and it really helped with the front end traction.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, but there is red lights on the jump across the start.


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[Assistant] Just have to be aware. It is, it's the re- it's been like that for a long time. I get it. Race scenario, chase, uhm.


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[Assistant] Just made a, you know, costly, costly mistake by jumping on that. Uhm, I know we kinda talked about it pre-show Ricky.


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[Assistant] Uh, what's your, you know, take on, you know,


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[Assistant] Put yourself in his shoes, you know, we've been in the situations, you know, similar situations. I know like, you know, the fuel situation with you years ago, there's another, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, looked right there, jumps on the, on the, uhm, the red lights, cross flag, uhm.


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[Assistant] I still wear wheels on the ground, but just went faster and made the pass entering the turn.


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[Assistant] If you look back on it, you know, that's a problem with the rules, the gray area, like I probably should have been penalized, you know, like, so it's got, it's times when they let guys like me off or anybody off and then all of a sudden they come back and they penalize here. So then it gets, it's, it's this weird position to be in, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, we're going to penalize him and we're not going to penalize him because this was different, but they're all very similar. It's tough to be in those shoes that Chase is in, because he feels like he did everything, everything he could and everything right.


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[Assistant] And uh, probably kind of went over the bars there and then he ended up backwards riding on backwards on the track. It was in, I don't know if his bike was backwards already. Um, interesting why he just didn't pick it up and kind of flip around or peel off the track, but he rode up the landing backwards.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, probably for, for dirt work or for, for failed and the guys on the track and the, in the, in the red cross flight guys, you know, they're probably like kind of.


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[Assistant] As the whole field's coming through. So that was probably, you know, made it, made it more intense for everybody too. Not the riders per se, but.


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[Assistant] You know, how are they going to call this guy's got a, got a guy coming backwards on the track. We got the red cross leg out. Then, then chase jumps on the, on the red lights across the double. So it, uh, puts chase in a tough position.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, try to try to cover all your bases before the refs get involved because that's when that's when the gray area comes. It's very thick, you know, it's very.


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[Assistant] And they want to do the right thing. So uhm, you know, like I said, there's guys on the track with headphones, pull the red cross leg out. Those guys have got a hundred things going through their head. So it was probably a very tense moment there for a while for everybody. Everybody except for Chase, it looks like.


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[Assistant] Well, I think, I think the red cross flag needs to be pulled out.


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[Assistant] Obviously when we need it. So to me here, Dean's already up. I feel like, yes, he's going backwards on the track.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but this jump fades to the, fades way to the left.


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[Assistant] Nobody was on the ground. Nobody was hurt. It's not like there was Asterix or, uh, Alphastar's medical unit on the track, uhm, assisting this rider.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I feel like they could be more careful on when and how quick they pull the red cross.


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[Assistant] Uhm, especially, you know, because it, all that's getting watched from, you know, the tower in the middle, right? So they're, they're constantly watching, you know, these, when we need to pull this, this red cross flag and after the double into Chase's point,


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[Assistant] He kind of knew where, what the, the incident was. He knew where it was. He seen Dean as he passed coming, coming opposite direction. And then after that, yeah, there was nothing after the double. So I think that, you know, the red cross flag could be.


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[Assistant] The rule or the leeway with that is like, hey, they're on the track, there's a guy down, he ain't moving.


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[Assistant] Dean was already up off the track. I feel like they could have probably not pulled the red cross. Maybe just been really heavy with the yellow.


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[Assistant] I know he plays up that, uh, I mean, man, he is just like the Dale Earnhardt of our sport.


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[Assistant] You know, like you said, to take the time to pull over and do an interview.


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[Assistant] Uhm, for TV, for the stadium, here he is. He must have smashed the radiator. I mean, man, if you go back and watch the replay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a lot here, you know, he was doubled into the turn here or rolled into the turn, stood up, foot come off, whiskey throw, and then tucked.


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[Assistant] I agree, uhm, back to your point about showing the emotion. I think that...


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[Assistant] Honestly, this, this year and last year, but this year, especially like really, you know, Kenny, Kenny showing his emotion after his first win or his first win in over 12 months. Um, Aaron in that position with, with less than a lap to go going down and taking the time to do the interview, but showing the emotion, I think it's.


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[Assistant] To be honest, it's, I took wins for granted and I don't know if that's just because, I don't want to use the word that came easy because no win was easy.


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[Assistant] You, you were so good, this is from him telling me, he goes, you were so good, you never really had those highs and lows. But now going and watching Aaron, I said, yeah, I agree watching Aaron now. It's like to see, just to get that first win or a win in general. It's such a huge thing. It's so hard to do in the 450 class.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in the lights class for sure, but the premier 450 class to just get your first win, let alone a championship.


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[Assistant] I was kind of a dick back then. Like I did, I should have showed more emotion. This is a huge deal in, in, in every one of our lives to just win, let alone a championship, like I said. So I feel like I'm living through EAP.


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[Assistant] You know, curses like that, you know, I, I watch the broadcast like I do every weekend and, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, previously, so that one lap he stood up.


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[Assistant] You know, he, he caught his, he caught his foot, man, in, in such a bummer, cause he, you know, okay.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be his first premier class Supercross win, so that's huge in itself, but to do it like he was doing it, uhm, you know, dude, he gapped those guys, uh, and he was doing it consistently.


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[Assistant] Here he goes up the whoops, you know, make a solid pass through, through the whoops, around AC, around the outside.


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[Assistant] You know, and was able just to break away, like from these guys. It was, it was a phenomenal ride. Like I said, I've never seen AP ride like this. I know he's had some phenomenal rides on a 250, but, uh,


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[Assistant] Struggled, you know, a bit, he said some ups and downs on the 450s from different teams, but tonight, uh, Detroit on Saturday night, he was, he by far was on a different level. He looked like the Chase Sexton of, of, you know, putting those lap times in that were.


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[Assistant] To watching it on Saturday night and, uh, and with the points being as close as they are still.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I feel like this could be, we could really turn the bucket upside down, uhm, and really see some major things happen at Seattle because of that. You know, we have Cooper Webb at 225, Eli Tomek down 3, uh, Chase Exton down 17 points, uhm, and Kenny down 43, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, still really close between obviously the top two. Chase isn't out of it yet. Chase is only 17 down, but coming into a weekend like this, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, I know chase tends to ride ruts very well. AP tends to ride those technical, very, um, you know, muddy conditions he has in the pass road very well. So, um, you know, like you said, maybe this will be AP's weekend. Maybe we can see it two weekends in a row.


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[Assistant] Definitely, he, he seemed calm, cool, and collected for, for chase. Not a, not a ton of mistakes. He wasn't, he was faster than those guys, but he wasn't.


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[Assistant] Automatically thinking, okay, next guy, next guy, next guy, onto the next, right? So.


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[Assistant] But I also didn't, he didn't look like he was rushing it, like he didn't, uhm, he was riding very well, uhm, but he looked in control.


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[Assistant] You know, coming through the pack like that, that puts him under more pressure. I gotta get to the front. I gotta get to the front, which he didn't show that. He made a smooth, calculated, good passes.


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[Assistant] I agree. I don't, I personally, I don't, it wouldn't have changed anything. Chase, Chase straight up passed Koop, made a good move on him, ran him high. Same with Eli, was able to make a move on him, uhm, and put himself up front there, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, I can only go back to thinking, you know,


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[Assistant] Okay, strain, strain my lower back or I have a, I have my lower back go out at 26, you know, but at


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[Assistant] Shit, if I sleep wrong at 34 now and I wake up and I'm like, you know, I'm no athlete like he is anymore. You know, let's, let's be honest. They're like.


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[Assistant] I think I raced at 26, 27, same as you, and we were done and retired. You know, I think those extra years on there, potentially those lingering, if he's got a pinched nerve, something in the back of his neck, uhm,


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[Assistant] So maybe that's kind of what we're seeing, you know, the lingering of, uh, the toll that the sport kind of takes on, on, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then hopefully this weekend in Seattle that, uh, lingering issue will be, you know, non-existent.


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[Assistant] Ricky, the question of the week, the keyboard question of the week, keyboard warrior question of the week, maybe that's a new one. There you go. Uhm, we put it in there, but no, you know,


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[Assistant] I, I get, I listened to the press conference. I heard Hunter, uhm, obviously watched it all go down. Uhm, I think that...


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[Assistant] I get it that Hayden, Hayden wants to, wants to win, but also too, number one, I think number, okay, go back to, to, I think 2007, me and Ben Townley, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, 24 motos straight, we raced each other and you didn't see that happen once. Now it is outdoors, it's not supercross, so that's that, uhm, you don't see that as often in outdoors as you do in supercross. But we're able to ride each other clean for 24 motos straight.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, and may the best man win. So, looking back on that,


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[Assistant] One thing I can say is, is, is, you got 22 guys on the line. Uhm, Hayden.


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[Assistant] Needs to be, in my opinion, this is my personal opinion, needs to be careful because in, in, in, in sometime in the future he's going to be racing for a championship.


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[Assistant] And he's going to be racing say two or three guys. Here it is. Here's Smith up the side of the outside of the whoops there makes a pass. Deegan runs him wide. I feel like right there it's your teammate, right? You hold the inside.


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[Assistant] I feel like he's gonna, you know, if he's not careful, the championship to win a championship is going to be even harder because you're not racing one, two or three guys. Pretty soon you're going to be laughing guys and be like, I don't like this dude. Like I'm going to just, not that I'm going to.


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[Assistant] I get his point, I get his point. Uhm, I think the icing on the cake to this whole thing is just that they're teammates.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you put that, you put Smith on a Honda, you put him on a Husky, you put him on any other brand.


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[Assistant] Then I think, I, I definitely think it doesn't look near as bad, uh, because it's, it's their competitors, right? But I think there has to be some sort of, there's leeway or respect with, uh, with your teammate like that. I don't know what Bobby Reagan's saying over at Star.


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[Assistant] I can tell you if I was the team manager at Star, I wouldn't be stoked on Hayden. Race him hard, race him tough.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Hayden got lucky. He made it out without, you know, without a, without a Paul. But right here, the last section where they got together, Hayden about went off the track.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta be smart in those situations, not putting yourself in that, and then they both not make the main, right? Or you have to go to the last chance. So I think he just made it out with the skin of his teeth. That's for, that's for sure.


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[Assistant] Like I don't, I don't see him, like you said, probably doing that again. I, I just feel like in the heat race, you know, like it could have been played, but young.


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[Assistant] He's, uh, he's sitting top three right now in his, in his first ever, you know, championship run. So, uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, I don't think you can make that, uh, the assumption that, oh, true colors, uh, cause that, you know, he gets in a race scenario.


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[Assistant] The brains go out the window and, uh, it's happened to me before.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I do. Hayden's the rookie here. Uhm, and, uh, Jordan's, Jordan's been in this class for, for a while now. So to your point, like,


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[Assistant] Should have been a bit smarter in that scenario. I've been okay. I just, I just went, I just caught him four or five bike lengths in the whoops. So, and then Hayden ran him wide right after the whoops. And then right there should have been okay. As you raced, you drag raced into that next right, 180 into that next right.


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[Assistant] Like look, I mean, Jordan sucks him up huge here in the whoops. He has way more speed. Uhm, then he gets run high, and then right here.


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[Assistant] As he notices Deacon trying to play these games, I feel like that's, as a veteran of the Lights class, he should have been, okay, I'm going to sit back here and, and just blow past him in the whoops again.