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[Assistant] She was a little busy. She's got stuff. Her social calendar is full. It's fucking Thanksgiving. She's busy. She's got shit to do. She's on her way to see her mom. So she was not really in the space to like appreciate that somebody was like, you know, hitting on her essentially. Okay. Uhm, and like good for her. She was like, I'm just not, I don't have time.


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[Assistant] Well, you don't have to appreciate every man or woman that hits on you. No, of course you don't. And that's the thing. And she also just was like, you know what? Cause here's the thing. She was a little interested. She said the man who introduced himself as Alan LaRue was polite. He was charming. And she said he was among the most handsome men she had ever seen.


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[Assistant] I don't have the, I don't have the spate, the bandwidth to like accept this right now. Okay. So she just kind of was like, uh, you know, I got a lot of stuff going anyways. I'm going on a lot of dates. I'm hanging out with a lot of people.


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[Assistant] I got a life, I'm working, and she was like, you know what, I'm not really desperate to express, I'm not going to accept a date from a stranger when I don't have to. That was her feeling about the whole thing. Good for her.


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[Assistant] She was like, I already got some lined up, but like, whatever. So she didn't even, she wouldn't give her address and she wouldn't give her name when she was asked.


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[Assistant] Pearl's entire confidence and happiness was shaken a little bit because after just three happy months working at the department store,


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[Assistant] She and a ton of other sales girls were laid off when the holiday season ended. So now she has no job, no income.


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[Assistant] Those social opportunities, they're kind of dwindling down because she's not around these people anymore. So she's very much in a more vulnerable state at this point. And that's when she ran into Alan LaRue again.


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[Assistant] She ran into him. How strange in the big city she meets him on the subway by happenstance. And then she meets him a month later on the train back from Brooklyn the day after Christmas. Huh.


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[Assistant] So, oh, and weird that it was like both holidays. Yeah, exactly. Now, she's feeling down at this point. She's, she's had a run of bad luck. Like this isn't, this isn't a good time. Like I said, she's feeling vulnerable. She's feeling like she's desperate to get some income.


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[Assistant] And so she, you know, at this point, she's like, my social calendar is not full anymore. I'm not working. You're still hot. You're still good looking. So she's like, you know what? Sure. She agrees to join him for a drink.


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[Assistant] So it turned out that Pearl, her intuition was right on. Listen to your gut, baby. Alan did, did think she was beautiful. He did like her, find her charming. But...


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[Assistant] He also had something else in mind for her because after they talked some more, he said, you know what? It's kind of like, you know, it's serendipitous that we would run into each other now again.


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[Assistant] Cause he said, you're down on your luck, you're looking for income, and he's like, as it turns out, I have a job that needs to be done, and it's yours, if you want it.


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[Assistant] And she was like, wow, this is very fortuitous. You don't even know my fucking credentials buddy. That's right.


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[Assistant] But you know, they've talked on this date. So he's like, you seem, you seem chill. I'm going to take a chance on you. So he explained to her, he said, I'm a private detective and I work for an insurance company and this insurance company


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[Assistant] Specializes in ensuring jewelry. Okay. Which is all.


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[Assistant] Seems pretty valid of something to, you know, this isn't too far-fetched at this point.


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[Assistant] And he said he, his job, was the guy, basically they relied on him to investigate and find any stolen jewelry.


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[Assistant] And he's like, so when somebody steals jewelry, I have to do the whole investigation. I have to find a way to get it back so the insurance company doesn't lose out. That checks. So according to Alan, he said that there's this young woman named Olga.


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[Assistant] Olga had figured out who Alan was and that he was following her so she would immediately recognize him if she saw him again and she would just take off with the loot.


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[Assistant] He said the other issue here is I can't go right to the police with this because I haven't technically proven her guilt. This is what I'm supposed to do is investigate this stuff.


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[Assistant] And he's like, so I can't go to the police yet with this. I have to like prove the guilt first.


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[Assistant] So this is why he needed a random, very unassuming person.


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[Assistant] Pearl thought this sounded great. She's like, in her hairy, spy mode. She gets to be, she's like, I get to be part of like, an investigation, like a detective thing, a private eye. Exciting. Like, this is exciting. Like, this is what I moved to New York City for. Right. Like, this kind of fun stuff.


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[Assistant] There you go. So, so she, not to mention this was also going to help with her loss of income at this point, because he was like, I'll pay you. Like, absolutely. Like you'll be on the payroll. Okay. So she was like, hell yeah, I will absolutely help with this.


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[Assistant] So he was like, this is great, you're gonna be great, she's not gonna suspect a thing.


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[Assistant] You know, he's like, you're a woman, she's not gonna be scared of a woman or like feel like you're following her.


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[Assistant] For some nefarious reason. Sure. So the next morning, Pearl met Alan outside a building on West 39th Street and it was there that he explained, okay, this is the first phase of the plan.


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[Assistant] He said, you're going to go into the offices of the Croydon Hat Company where Olga works as the, as like one of the secretaries. And what she was going to do was she was going to go up to the secretary and hopefully it was Pearl.


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[Assistant] Or Olga. Or excuse me Olga, thank you. Yep. And asked to speak with another secretary who goes by the name of Sadie White.


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[Assistant] And he said, there actually isn't anyone working there named Sadie White. But you're gonna go up there.


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[Assistant] And you're going to get a good look at Olga because you're going to talk to her.


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[Assistant] And he's like, go study her, make sure you're able to recognize her.


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[Assistant] Like I want you to be able to point her out because I don't want you to be obvious about you trying to see if she has the jewelry. So Pearl did it. She went in, she talked to Olga and she returned back to Alan.


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[Assistant] And she said, Oh, I've memorized her. Like I memorized her face. I know her clothing. I could pick her out.


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[Assistant] And Alan told Pearl to take the rest of the morning off and then to meet him at his apartment on East 17th Street later that afternoon and they would go into phase two of the plan. Okay.


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[Assistant] And he's like, take this time, keep looking at that photo, get to know her.


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[Assistant] This is so bizarre, I have no idea where we're headed. That's the thing, like, you cannot have any idea where this is headed. You really can't. No.


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[Assistant] Now Pearl just kinda spent the time, like she looked at the photo, she knew who it was, like she was like, I was standing right in front of her, I don't need to look at this. So she went to see a movie, and she talked on the phone with some friends before meeting Alan at his apartment at around 3.30pm.


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[Assistant] When she went in the apartment, he was holding what he said was an x-ray camera.


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[Assistant] This was the key to catching Olga and retrieving those jewels. According to Pearl, the camera looked like just an ordinary shoe box wrapped in brown paper like you would carry out of a department store.


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[Assistant] But she said on one end there was a hole in what looked like a camera aperture.


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[Assistant] And on the other end, there was a short piece of wire loop that hung out of the bottom of the box. Okay. So you would like pull that, it would take the photo. Remember we're in the forties, so it's not like... Of course.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so this is what didn't seem like totally out of the ordinary here.


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[Assistant] And he explained to her, all you do is point this at her and pull the wire. And he said the x-ray photo would capture if she was wearing the jewelry hidden somewhere.


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[Assistant] That's where she lives. You want to be right behind her when you follow her out of the train so you can take it at close range.


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[Assistant] You wanna be only two or three feet away from her when you snap the photo. Okay. And she was like, alright.


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[Assistant] Now Pearl left Alan's apartment, she went back to the Croydon Hat Company building and she waited for Olga to come out.


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[Assistant] She finally saw Olga come out of the building after work and begin her commute home. So Olga came out a little after five and she made her way towards the Times Square station and caught a train to Brooklyn. Pearl followed her onto the train, not too close, but she did sit across from Olga on the train.


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[Assistant] And again, she looks like she's just holding a package. Right, it's like wrapped in brown paper.


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[Assistant] Pearl then aimed the camera at Olga and pulled the wire and she was like, I think I got a good photo.


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[Assistant] Everything went awesome, like Alan was like, shit, like how close were you two are? Like, you know.


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[Assistant] Had she noticed you were following her? Like did anything go wrong? Did she seem suspicious? And Pearl explained that Olga had only been a few feet away from her and she took the picture. She didn't seem to notice her. Everything seemed like it went great.


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[Assistant] So Alan was like, that's amazing. I'm going to get the picture developed tonight.


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[Assistant] And I'll meet you nec- tomorrow morning and I'll let you know how it turned out. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now, when they met the following day, he was like, bad news, the picture wasn't good.


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[Assistant] Why did I suspect that? So he told Pearl that he believed it was the camera to blame. He was like, it's not you. You did great. Like, good job. But he was like, you know what, I'm going to get us a better one. Like that was kind of like not, not great anyways. Like I'm going to make sure we get a better one. Like give me a few days and I'll be able to get a better one.


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[Assistant] Okay. So she's like, alright. So a few days later on December 31st, uh, 1946. New Year's Eve.


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[Assistant] New Year's Eve. They love holidays. They really do, you're right.


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[Assistant] Pearl called Alan at his apartment and he said he was able to get a new x-ray camera.


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[Assistant] And he said, meet me at the laundry mat near Union Square, which she did a little after 8am.


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[Assistant] Now, Pearl said when he handed this camera to her, it was much diff- it was different. It was bigger, it was heavier.


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[Assistant] And it wasn't wrapped in brown paper now, it was wrapped in Christmas paper. Okay. To make it look like a Christmas present. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And Alan explained Pearl was to take the camera, go to the train station in Brooklyn, follow Olga from there.


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[Assistant] Once they were on the train, get close to Olga, not too close, take that picture just like you did before. Same old things. Keep the same chill way you did it.


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[Assistant] But he added, remember to aim it low at her waist.


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[Assistant] Okay. And she was like, why? And he was like, I think that's where she's probably carrying the jewels pinned inside her dress at her waist. That's what we, we've gotten information that that's what she does.


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[Assistant] But Pearl did exactly what Alan told her to do. She caught the seat opposite Olga on the train.


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[Assistant] And they began de-boarding the train. She decided to wait until they were getting off the train because he had told her to do that initially and she didn't do it the first time. Okay. So they began getting off the train and Pearl was standing a few feet behind Olga.


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[Assistant] She aimed the camera at Olga's lower body, pulled the wire to take the picture.


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[Assistant] And she said the camera jerked in her hands and made a loud explosion happen.


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[Assistant] Oh? This caused immediate confusion and panic and chaos everywhere. Yeah. And when Pearl looked up, cause she was just stunned at like what the fuck just happened. Like she's like, did this camera just blow up? What the hell happened?


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[Assistant] Pearl looked up, Olga was laying on her back on the platform holding her leg, and her leg looked as though it was nearly blown off.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Just sh-shattered. Completely ruined.


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[Assistant] Seconds later, a security guard rushed over to Pearl because Pearl was splattered in Olga's blood and holding that box. Uh huh. And the security guard was like, what the fuck?


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[Assistant] And I guess Pearl answered, I just took a woman's picture and somebody shot her. And Pearl told the security guard before she was grabbed by police, she was like,


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[Assistant] I just took her picture. She was like, I, I don't, who shot her? Like she had no idea, like what happened? What the fuck?


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[Assistant] So police officers took her, they ripped open the parcel that she was holding. That's not a camera, baby. And inside...


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[Assistant] Was a sh- sawed off shotgun, 12 gauge shotgun, mounted between two cream cheese boxes. Whaaat? Yes.


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[Assistant] And if you look it up, it is the most wild picture when you see what it actually looked like. Let me see. Like, oh my god. Just look up.


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[Assistant] Uh, Pearl Lusk guys, like, and we'll, we'll post some of these photos so you can see. But the actual photo...


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[Assistant] Of the sawed off 12 gauge shotgun.


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[Assistant] What the fuck? I'm at a loss. No, like truly at a loss. I'm at a true loss for...


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[Assistant] Like, that, that must have been a heavy package. So this motherfucker, like, just made, like, made this? And the cream cheese boxes are wooden.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I know, like I, cause it was smaller, she said it was like a shoebox, I'm like, did you just put a handgun in there and it just didn't work? Or was he just trying


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[Assistant] The protocol? That's what I wondered initially was is he testing her to see if there was actually, but then I'm like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] But it makes sense though, like that he was testing her because when she came back,


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[Assistant] Pearl looked down at Olga and then looked at the gun in her hands at this point and she was like, holy shit.


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[Assistant] What the, what the fuck is happening right now? I'm about to tell you. So Pearl was immediately taken into custody.


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[Assistant] She was an avid reader of detective and confession stories, quote unquote. Right. Uhm, and that was one of her, the reasons that she was helping this man, Alan LaRue.


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[Assistant] So when detectives showed Pearl a photo of Olga and her husband, Alphonse Al Rocco.


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[Assistant] Taking several months earlier in a New York City nightclub, she said, that man's Alan LaRue. Oh my god. So this was Olga's ex-husband? Yes.


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[Assistant] WHAT? And she said, that's the man who hired me to shoot Olga. WHAT? And she said, he even has the same clothes on.


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[Assistant] And she explained that the man Pearl thought to be Alan LaRue was, in all likelihood, her ex-husband.


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[Assistant] Al Rocco. And she said they had been married in May 1945.


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[Assistant] And divorced a year later. Oh wow. So that was a bad marriage. So let's talk about them. Yeah. So Olga Trapani.


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[Assistant] Uh, met Al Rocco in the spring of 1944. And after one year of dating, they married in May 1945. Okay. Now despite their daughter having dated him for a year before getting married, Olga's parents told reporters that they really didn't know Al. Like even though they like were around him, they met him, they spent time with him, they were like, he was a mystery. Like we still don't really know him.


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[Assistant] That must have creeped them out. Yeah, and by the winter of 1947, the most they knew about him was that he was of Italian ancestry and of average height and weight. That's what they could say about him.


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[Assistant] A reporter for the New York Times wrote that they knew nothing of his work.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and others who knew Rocco seemed to know just as little about him, like his landlord. He was like, he was a quiet guy. Like that's all I know. Like I don't know. I guess he was Italian is all I could say. Like other than that, I don't know.


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[Assistant] And although they didn't know a lot of details about him Olga's family did not like him.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they all got a vibe that he was a bad person. Like hiding something. Like all of them were like, something's off here.


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[Assistant] And after their divorce, a few months before Olga was shot, they saw him get even worse. They saw a very bad side of him.


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[Assistant] So according to Olga's mother, once the marriage was annulled in early November 1946, so the only months before,


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[Assistant] Al became very verbally abusive, and she said quote, had constantly annoyed her daughter, threatening to kill her ever since their separation. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] So, it didn't take long for detectives to learn, not only had the couple had an abusive relationship and a very, very aggressive and hostile separation,


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[Assistant] But this was not the first time that Al had tried to kill Olga. What? On one occasion, this is where


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[Assistant] The detectives and police in this case failed.


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[Assistant] He got away with so much. When you hear all the shit he did that everyone just ignored.


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[Assistant] Forced her into his car and drove her to a motel in Poughkeepsie.


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[Assistant] What? Once they were there, he forced Olga to undress, hid her clothes, threatened to kill her, and said, if you don't come back to me, I'm gonna murder you.


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[Assistant] And once there she fled, she ran away from him back to her parents' home in Brooklyn. And a few weeks later on November 1st,


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[Assistant] Now you would think after those two incidences of uhm,


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[Assistant] Kidnapping, assault, and attempted murder? Yea, just those few things. Then maybe you should be arrested, or...


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[Assistant] Talked to, perhaps? Scolded? They were both reported to the police, both those incidents, and Olga made thorough statements, but from the looks of things, nothing was done to follow up or arrest Rocco.


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[Assistant] What? Yes, he just terrorized her with no consequences.


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[Assistant] And actually a few weeks later Olga went back to work and she got a threatening call from Al immediately.


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[Assistant] She told detectives, he said he was watching me, he knew everything, he knew when I went to work, and that he did not aim right the first time, but that when he would aim again, he would kill me.


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[Assistant] So he literally was like, I didn't aim for your leg, I just aimed wrong. I meant to kill you.


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[Assistant] I can't. So Olga reported it to the police, who told her don't worry.


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[Assistant] Now in this case, it's unclear whether they followed up on anything, but I couldn't find anything to say that they did or didn't. Sounds like they did not. In the days that followed that threatening phone call, Olga received daily threatening calls from Al Rocko.


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[Assistant] She was entering the Times Square station and she saw Al following her very closely behind her. So she panicked and she paid for her train fare and then she went up to the subway guard


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[Assistant] You can't. What? He said she could not stay there because of the people that were going down the steps at that time. So he was like tough. What a fucking asshole.


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[Assistant] This piece of shit subway guard was like, no. Can you stand with me? No, you can't stand with me. Oh my god. Good luck out there I guess. Poor Olga. Now the last time that Olga had heard from Al was three days before the shooting on the train. So three days before he shot her.


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[Assistant] When he came to her family's home to confront her.


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[Assistant] And the family members were like, what the fuck? And they heard him shout, I'll kill you and kill myself.


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[Assistant] And Olga reported the incident to the police like she had all the fucking others of them. And on the evening of December 30th, detectives did come to her house to finally take a statement.


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[Assistant] And Olga told the detectives that after everything she'd been through with Al over the past few months, she was afraid. She was like, he's going to kill me. Like, it's very clear. He's trying to kill me. She said, they told me that I should not be frightened.


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[Assistant] And that they were going to protect me and that they would guard me when I went to work.


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[Assistant] So it's like, okay. He's already shot her and she shouldn't be frightened. Well, and it's like, okay, like, cool. They're saying they're going to protect you and like escort you to work. Yeah, clearly they didn't. And she gave the statement from their hospital bed after being shot.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when she left for work the next morning on the 31st, she said there was no detectives anywhere, and the only escort she had to the train station was her sister. So, bravo detectives, bravo.


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[Assistant] Just the amount that they did.


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[Assistant] Now when Olga and her sister got to the platform at the station in Brooklyn, she said she noticed the woman carrying what appeared to be a medium sized Christmas present.


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[Assistant] Because she probably, I wonder if she saw her before. She might have, and she said she was carrying a box, a rather large box, and it was wrapped. And it had something that protruded at one end of the box.


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[Assistant] And I'm assuming that is the handle of the sawed off shotgun, which I'm still a little confused by.


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[Assistant] But did Pearl, like, pull a string, or did she pull a wire of some kind that, that triggered the trigger? That pulled the trigger. Okay.


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[Assistant] But I'm wondering how the, the part of like, cause it was a sawed off shotgun that was shorter, but I'm like that handle, like.


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[Assistant] Not the barrel, but the handle of the shotgun that's like on the other side. Was that wrapped too? Cause you can't, it's hard to tell in the picture. It looks like it might have been.


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[Assistant] But it's hard because it's all unwrapped and like, assembled, you know? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] Uh, detectives said they were inclined to accept as truth a story too fantastic to be fiction. Which like, I guess, like someone making that up is pretty wild. And Olga's statement like on the scene, I'm sure. It really helps. Now after taking statements from Olga Pearl and Olga's family members, investigators said that


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[Assistant] It was very clear that once his wife was not gonna come back to him, Al Rocco had concocted an elaborate scheme to kill her, because if he couldn't have her, no one else was gonna have her either.


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[Assistant] Now while Oga is laying in Roosevelt Hospital in critical condition with a literal quote, mangled left thigh, detectives started finally searching for Al Rocko.


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[Assistant] Now on January 1st, the day after the shooting, investigators learned that quote, an unidentified man had called twice at Pearl's rooming house asking to speak with her.


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[Assistant] So they were hoping they could intercept him because they were assuming he would call for another time when he couldn't get ahold of her.


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[Assistant] Uh, so they brought Pearl back to the rooming house and had her sit there with them a little after 5pm. They waited for several hours, but he didn't call back.


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[Assistant] So detectives continued their interview with Pearl Lusk, and other investigators began looking for Al Rocco, like through his background, basically.


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[Assistant] None of it, detectives were calling him a diabolical genius.


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[Assistant] And they were like, when you look at his record, you're like, nothing really lends itself to that. He's just a car thief. Yea, I don't know. You know, like, that's it. Uh, and like, disorderly conduct, you know?


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[Assistant] But, and in fact, an evaluation conducted at Bellevue Hospital in 1938 of Rocko labeled him as a man of average intelligence. Okay. You know, he's not, not below, not above.


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[Assistant] But they had opened up, uh, to tips from the public at this point.


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[Assistant] And the first tip came in around 11am on the morning of January 1st.


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[Assistant] Um, that's when a Brooklyn resident saw a man on Brighton Beach who disrobed completely and just entered the water. Okay. According to the witness, they said the man


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[Assistant] Quote, shed a gray tweed overcoat, a brown suit, a blue tie, and a white shirt.


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[Assistant] Then, wearing gloves, underwear, shoes, and socks, he plunged into the icy surf, headed out to sea, and disappeared. Why's he wearing gloves? Oh, like, oh, is he the Loch Ness Monster? Like, what's going on here? He just headed out to sea? Like, just, I'm off. What do you mean? Police searched the water for hours, and they couldn't find anybody in there.


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[Assistant] And they showed the clothing that they did find. They showed it to Olga for identification and she said no, like that's not his. So that was just a random, unrelated incident?


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[Assistant] Yeah. They found the guy's clothing, like the same clothing that this man had described. Weird. Now on January 3rd, Olga's condition took a turn for the worst. Oh no. She actually had to have her leg amputated.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and she was explaining to them, I was just a pawn in Al Rocco's plan.


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[Assistant] And she's like, I genuinely believed his story about being a private investigator in pursuit of a jewel thief. Yeah, I literally did.


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[Assistant] And the assistant district attorney, Jacob Grumet, noted that investigators did believe Pearl was telling the truth, that none of them believed she was lying. Uhm, but they said they wanted her held as a material witness because when they captured Rocco, hopefully, uhm, who he referred to as an archfiend,


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[Assistant] So the judge agreed. Okay. And set Pearl's bail at $10,000 and then remanded her into the custody of the Florence Crittenden, Crittenden home.


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[Assistant] Imagine that. Good job. Fantastic. Because now, they, that, you know, he actually almost killed Olga. Now's the time to do their job, I think. Yeah, once somebody is almost dead. Yeah. They questioned several people and they all said, like, acquaintances, people they thought might have seen him, and they all said,


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[Assistant] Now, the big break came on January 6th. When a neighbor, and this is, this story is a little hard to follow. Okay. So I'll do my best.


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[Assistant] So, a neighbor of Al Rocco's first cousin. So his cousin's neighbor. Yes.


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[Assistant] Uh, the man introduced himself as a friend of Mrs. Rizzo's brother, James Cappazzoli, I think it is? Cappazzoli. So, he's saying he knows this guy Dominic's wife's brother. Got it.


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[Assistant] So, and he said his car had broken down so he had no way of getting there. So I need your help. So Mrs. Rizzo, Dominic's wife, called her brother, James.


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[Assistant] Who said, quote, he'd be delighted to have the tools, although he did not remember Lamonte. He was like, sounds awesome. I don't know this guy, but like I'll take the tools.


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[Assistant] And despite her brother having no memory of the man claiming to be Alan Lamonte, the Rizzo's, Dominic and his wife, invited him to dinner. And then the next morning they drove him out to Cairo.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so they all got there a little after 12.30pm and they stopped for lunch at a local diner. And Alan Lamonte finished first, so he told the couple


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[Assistant] The tools were just a few blocks away and he's like, why don't you finish your coffee and I'll just take the car to go get the tools.


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[Assistant] Now, more than 50 state troopers and two New York City detectives were pursuing Rocco that evening. And eventually they ran him into the woods near Gilboa.


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[Assistant] It was there that he abandoned Rizzo's car along the side of the road.


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[Assistant] And they also found out that earlier that evening he had actually forced his way into a home.


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[Assistant] Uh, a home of Mr. and Mrs. Leroy Lewis and he held the couple at gunpoint and demanded they feed him.


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[Assistant] And they told him, and apparently he told them he planned to, quote, remain there indefinitely.


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[Assistant] Oh, sure, come on in. Which is not something you want to hear from someone holding you at gunpoint. You want to be like, no, I'd like you to leave as quickly as possible. Yea, like leave yesterday, thank you. And he told the couple, I've got to stay. I was framed.


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[Assistant] I'd be like, you've got to go. Now despite saying he was gonna stay there indefinitely and that he had to stay, after just a few hours he just changed his mind and fled into the woods. That's good.


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[Assistant] They were like, I'm going to contact someone. I'm going to call someone. So state troopers reached their farmhouse, this couple.


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[Assistant] So he refuses to surrender and a trooper fires a warning shot and then demanded him come out.


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[Assistant] And they shouted, come on out, you skunk. That's what they yelled at him. And instead of being the skunk that he was and coming out.


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[Assistant] He drew his gun and he fired four times in the direction of the troopers. This ballsy motherfucker. You know that's not going to go over well. So the troopers returned fire in what the New York Times described as a heavy barrage. So.


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[Assistant] I don't think Al's coming out of this one spoiler alert. He's gonna say, bye bye Al. So the shooting lasted nearly two minutes, and when it finally came to an end, Al Rocko was dead.


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[Assistant] And the other of a girl that state police inspector Charles LaForge refused to identify because quote, he did not wish to hurt this girl.


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[Assistant] What? I have so many questions. Here are my questions. One.


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[Assistant] Who didn't wish to hurt this girl? The state trooper didn't want to hurt her by releasing her identity or two. You are somehow implying or inferring.


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[Assistant] Two photographs on him and you're not gonna tell me who that other photogra- also she should probably know. Do you think it was Pearl? I hope she knows. I don't think so. You probably wouldn't have a photo of her.


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[Assistant] I mean, he's a stalker, he might, but like cameras were like, oh, you know, not easy.


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[Assistant] But we'll never know. Uh, but later that day, detectives informed Olga of Al Rocco's death in the Catskills. I bet she said RID. She began to laugh.


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[Assistant] Hardly laugh. Good for Olga. Honestly, after everything she'd fucking been through. Oh yea, she deserved to laugh. She did. And then she began to sob. And she said, at last I'll be able to get a good night's rest. Yeaah. Which I don't blame her.


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[Assistant] Now, days after the shooting, Al's body was claimed from the Bundy funeral home in upstate New York by his uncle, Philip Rocco, who returned the body to Brooklyn.


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[Assistant] And after his death, Judge James Wallace ordered that Pearl be released from custody after a grand jury declined to charge her in relation to the shooting. As she left the criminal courts building, Pearl told reporters, I want to forget it all. I don't blame her.


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[Assistant] Now according to Pearl's mother, Stella, they were going to retrieve some of Pearl's belongings from her room at the boarding house and then she was going to leave the city. She was like, I'm taking her home.


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[Assistant] Now after several weeks of recovery following having her leg amputated on her way home from work,


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[Assistant] Olga was discharged from Roosevelt Hospital and in February she filed the claim against the neat city of New York demanding $200,000.


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[Assistant] Um, it alleged that New York police failed to protect her, quote, at a time when the police knew she was in imminent danger of death at the hands of her criminal husband. Yep.


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[Assistant] In a statement to the press, her lawyer, Samuel Douglas said,


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[Assistant] The city having accepted her as a passenger on its transit facilities.


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[Assistant] Ode her a duty to transport her safely to her destination and to protect her from any danger that was known by it to exist with respect to her.


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[Assistant] The city failed and refused to provide her with such protection and required her to use the city subway system at a time when she was likely to be killed by her husband.


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[Assistant] The city owes her a moral obligation to compensate her for the serious injury resulting directly from its neglect.


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[Assistant] Finally in April 1953, the state supreme court ruled in favor of the city. I did not see that one coming. I didn't think you would.


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[Assistant] They said, it is most unfortunate that some redress cannot be made.


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[Assistant] But ultimately, they freed the city of any liability to the shooting.


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[Assistant] There's also the fact that she literally walked up to one of your subway guards and asked for protection and they said, no thank you ma'am, good luck. Correct. So there's that like, blatant, city should have protected her, mmm. That subway guard literally said, get lost.


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[Assistant] There's a whole laundry list of ways that they didn't protect her.


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[Assistant] Luckily in the years that followed, Pearl and Olga became friends. I wanted to hear that so bad. They would get together whenever they could. And after leaving the city, Pearl married and eventually had children.


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[Assistant] Came together and Olga was like, girl. It's, it's okay. Like, we both met this asshole. We both believed what he said. Holy shit. You know? Like, like, and Olga, I'm like, what a bad bitch. Just kept on going.


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[Assistant] And that she was like, you know what, girl, I know that, like, he's a dick. He's a manipulative dick, and I know he manipulated you into thinking that you weren't doing what you were doing.


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[Assistant] One time I got tricked into becoming an assassin.


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[Assistant] Of when Pearl was initially taken into custody, like right after the incident, there's this like kind of famous photo of her and the detective and they're like smiling at the camera and it looks almost like a wedding photo. It's like the strangest thing. Do you have it? I don't have it up right now, but I will post it cause it's just like a stream.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. Very strange photo. Very strange situation. What a time to be alive. Truly. It's this story, I just cannot, I cannot fathom it.


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[Assistant] This beautiful gal. Yeah. She had her whole life ahead of her and she still did, but it's like now she's gotta deal with the aftermath of this because of some asshole. Seriously. That she met for, and dated for a year.


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[Assistant] Wow. Absolutely nothing. Holy shit. There's also a really great photo of uhm, Olga being brought out.


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[Assistant] Of the hospital. Is she cheesing? And she's cheesing for the camera. Her hair is done. Her makeup is done. She's beautiful. She looks like a forties goddess. Like it is, it's a great one and she's got like flowers on her lap. It's just a cool picture.


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[Assistant] Oh yea, she's, she's a bad bitch. Holy cannoli.


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[Assistant] Wow. Yeah, it's literally like, we'll post one of these cause it's just-


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[Assistant] I don't even know how to do that, like they're both literally in the back of the car, the detective and Pearl.


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[Assistant] And they're both just looking at the camera like they just got married. Like if you told me this is a right after they got married photo, I'd be like, yes, what an adorable couple.


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[Assistant] They look so happy together. Wow. This is, I've never heard a story


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[Assistant] Unreal. But that is the truly wild story of the attempted murder of Olga Rocco. It sure was.


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[Assistant] Never carry anything for anyone. Don't. That has always been my stance, it remains my stance. Just don't do it. Especially like when, don't.


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[Assistant] If some guy named Alan LaRue asks you to do it, don't do it. Nope.


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[Assistant] Finish my coffee today. Woah, I didn't either! And I ate a...


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. And no, we're not nutritionists, and no, we're not any of those things, and I realize that some of you are.


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[Assistant] I just wanted to make sure like we are not given actual advice. That's not medical advice, that's just like-


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[Assistant] It'll be like me four or five weeks in the future. If you told me I'm gonna push you off a cliff if you don't answer that correctly when this is coming out, I could not answer you.


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[Assistant] We're gonna get there. You know what it is? We are, you know, we're ahead of ourselves here, so we're recording, recording, recording. And we're claiming our power back. And we're feeling all like, woo!


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[Assistant] When we get out there. And if I do, I'd just be like, this is who I am. I don't wear shoes. But no, she walked out there with a broken heel. It's true.


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[Assistant] Going back to the point. Yea, what was the point? I've never seen a drunk shoe. Shoes are always pretty sober. Yea. But judges. I don't know their life. You'd like them to be. They should be. Of course. You know, lay down the law.


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[Assistant] Where we go from here is a pretty wild tale. It's also, it's a sad tale because it involves like a really, really cool lady.


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[Assistant] To this tale, because this is a wild one. And I think this is what Dave, like, loved this one too. We were, this is just such a good...


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[Assistant] Like, in the end, when it all comes together, you're like, hell yeah.


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[Assistant] That's what it is, it's happy in the end.


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[Assistant] No problem, just so you can like roll with me here, cause there's some really sad parts. I'll roll with you, homie.


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[Assistant] Now let's talk about Teresita, because Teresita lived a pretty cool life, she seemed like a really cool lady, very kind, like just somebody who you wanted to be around.


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[Assistant] Teresita Basa was born on March 13th, 1929 in Dumaguete City, Philippines, and she was the only child of Pedro and Socorro Basa. So Teresita


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[Assistant] Right off the bat was a very passionate child. When she liked something, she dove headfirst into it.


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[Assistant] I wanna dive back into the piano really bad. So her family, of course, wanting to like nourish whatever it is she was interested in, they had imported a Steinway grand piano from Manila.


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[Assistant] And she would sit around this piano and just play for hours. And she would learn all the classical music, like she was amazing at it. And when she wasn't learning to play classical music on the piano,


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[Assistant] Right? Like, it's just, she sounds like a cool chick. She does. She really does. Right from the get go too, she was just like music, she was into shit. Yea, she sounds just like a fun time. Yea, just sitting there listening to records.


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[Assistant] Kind of agonizing over whether they should leave altogether and flee into the mountain regions to just avoid everything.


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[Assistant] Because the local government was like kind of on the verge of collapse and quote, his council would be needed more than ever. So he was a very influential guy in the government. Okay, wow. Uhm, and the invasion was-


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[Assistant] Profound influence on Teresita, who was a teenager at the time.


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[Assistant] She had grown up in, she was very used to learning English in the classroom, but was now.


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[Assistant] Against her decision being forced to learn Japanese in its place. Oh wow. And she was comfortable learning English, she was now like...


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[Assistant] Throne over to this other thing that she didn't choose. Right. And at the same time, this island paradise that she had enjoyed as a child where, you know, she knew everybody. It was like,


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[Assistant] They were in this nice little routine and you know, like it was just easy, easy livin' kind of thing.


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[Assistant] It was now dramatically transformed.


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[Assistant] And a lot of Filipinos were forced into service work for the soldiers. It was really bad. There was like a lot of bad stuff happening.


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[Assistant] Very drastically different from when she had grown up. And that's, she's a teenager. That's so hard.


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[Assistant] So by 1947, the island had more or less kind of returned to normal, luckily, but for Teresita,


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[Assistant] It was a lot of like trauma and a lot of memories. There was a lot of violence there that had happened. A lot of oppression that had happened. It's PTSD.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so she was like, it just wasn't the same. So she made the decision to move to Manila. And once there, she studied music at St. Scholaras- I'm gonna try to say this, I'm sorry. At St. Scholastica's College.


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[Assistant] And eventually she became a very accomplished pianist.


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[Assistant] Very different than where she had grown up. She had grown up in a tropical climate, a very tight-knit community. Sunlight. Do you like that? She was very used to all that and it was like a whole new world for Teresita London. But she loved it.


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[Assistant] She loved it. And whenever she could get away from schoolwork, she would love just exploring the city and she loved all the outdoor concerts that would happen and all the different things that she could go to the museums, all that fun stuff. That is fun.


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[Assistant] So after two years at the Royal College of Music, Teresita graduated with a certificate in Piano Forte. Uuuh. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And she loved being in London. She loved her time away. She had a good time. She met some people. She did some things, but she was missing her friends and family in her home. Okay. As we all do.


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[Assistant] So she had hoped to return back home just for a visit, but instead she actually was convinced by her friends to go on a tour of Europe with them.


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[Assistant] Oh shit. And she did. She ended up, yeaah, she ended up visiting Vienna, Salzburg, Paris, other places, like all kinds of cool places. That's a dream of mine. And it was in Paris that Teresita met a Russian composer by the name of Alexander Cherepnin. I looked up how to say that.


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[Assistant] And he really believed that she could become a great composer if she continued her studies. Wow, what a fucking compliment. I know, right? So Cherepnin and his wife actually both taught at DePaul University in Chicago. Oh.


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[Assistant] So in the summer of 1957, she was 28 years old and she ended up flying from the Philippines to Honolulu, Hawaii. And from there, she traveled a pretty short distance relatively, I suppose, to Bloomington, Indiana. Yeah, it's only like a six hour flight. Yeah, there you go.


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[Assistant] During her time there, she made a lot of friends, she really did well academically, she had a good time, but she didn't end up finishing her credits completely. She was actually just a handful of credits shy of completing her graduate studies.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this family friend was working in the government. Because remember, her parents are very influential, like they are doing stuff in the Philippines. And so this was like a connection. Right.


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[Assistant] And so she could do this typing job while also continuing to study music at the Library of Congress. Oh? Yeah. She is doing everything. Karasita. Karasita.


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[Assistant] While she's working and studying in Washington DC, she attended a diplomatic reception.


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[Assistant] Fancy. And there is where she met Edward O'Meara, who was a Chicago lobbyist, and he took an immediate liking to Teresita, but in the romantic sense. And remember, she's like a grown adult at this point. And soon after this first meeting, they started dating.


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[Assistant] And they started spending a ton of time together and then unfortunately just as the relationship was kind of like taking off.


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[Assistant] Her visa was set to expire, and she was required to return to the Philippines before she could apply for U.S. citizenship. So in 1965, she was 36 at this point, and she returned home to her parents.


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[Assistant] And Edward actually came to visit a ton. He came to the Philippines to visit. But during his final trip to Dumaguete, Pedro Bassa, her father,


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[Assistant] Pedro found out that Edward had been frequenting one of the city's brothels.


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[Assistant] And that ended Teresita and Edward's relationship mighty fast. Good.


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[Assistant] And Pedro was essentially like, uh, I think it's time for you to leave. Bye. And go home. To the USA. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, or actually maybe you should. Yeaah. So Teresita was devastated by this.


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[Assistant] She started teaching piano at Silliman University and she was trying to find happiness where she was in the Philippines. And, but no matter how hard she tried,


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[Assistant] She really couldn't feel comfortable there. I think she had dealt with a lot of the trauma that was still kind of like soaking into the ground there with growing up and being a teenager through all that.


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[Assistant] On top of that, that uncomfortability that she was feeling a little bit, she just could never feel at home again. It makes sense. She was also feeling humiliated.


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[Assistant] Because she had been basically duped by this slick American guy. And like that was the talk around town. She had been duped by this stupid American.


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[Assistant] So on December 7th, 1971, 42-year-old Theresa, Theresa Tabassa returned to the United States. Okay. And she had less than $400 in her pocket and a small amount of luggage, and that's all she had to start a new life.


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[Assistant] She was able to find an apartment on Mozart Street in the city's northwest side. How fitting. Yea, right? Mozart Street. Yea. And she decided she was going to complete her graduate studies at Indiana University and in the meantime she would find more work as a typist during this time. So she just went back to what she knew.


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[Assistant] Now, Edward O'Meara had really traumatized Teresita and she was reluctant to even make new friends. Yea, cause she didn't trust anyone. Exactly. And she spent a lot of her time just reading, kind of exploring the city alone.


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[Assistant] And she decided she loved the city of Chicago, and this is where she wanted to make her home.


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[Assistant] Now, although she had hoped she'd be able to continue her studies and find work as a piano teacher,


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[Assistant] It didn't take long for her to figure out that the job market for musicians was kind of small, a little tough at the time, the competition was fierce, and the schedule really wasn't great for her, and she wasn't going to be able to make enough money to support herself in the meantime.


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[Assistant] So she enrolled as a student in the respiratory therapy program.


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[Assistant] At the Central YMCA Community College in September of 1972.


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[Assistant] And in the late spring of 1974, she graduated from that, um, that program.


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[Assistant] And she quickly found work as a therapist at Edgewater Hospital in Chicago.


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[Assistant] Good for her. So she's working as like a respiratory therapist. She's just like rolling with the punches. She's a badass. Like she's like, oh, this won't work. I can just excel at this other thing and I'll just get a job here. Like she's just killing it. Yeah. Like nothing can deter her. Yeah. She's just like an independent lady. She doesn't need anybody and she's going to figure out how to make it work.


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[Assistant] With her success and, you know, school and the new job and moving into this bigger place, she had some new confidence and she started kind of opening up to new friends. Yeah. And she was like, you know what? I'm working with some cool people. I can hang out with these people. Not everybody sucks like Edward. Yeah. It started making her see that like I can be, I can live my normal life.


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[Assistant] So she became very close with Ruth Loeb, who was one of the hospital administrators. She became one of her best friends. And not long after moving into the apartment, she found a very small, but like very reasonably priced electric organ at a music shop nearby. Oh, that's cool. And she had it put in her apartment.


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[Assistant] Now she, she would play all the time and then she ended up forming a small music group with her cousin and a few co-workers. Oh, that must have been so much fun. Yeah, like it's so cute. And they would call, and they called themselves the Mahogany 5 plus 1.


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[Assistant] And they had five Filipino members. It was her cousin and a few co-workers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and with the new job and apartment and a really cool small group of friends, the band happening, she finally felt like her new life was coming together. She was feeling comfortable.


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[Assistant] But she still had a lot of feelings from that heartbreak. Oh yea, I mean of course. Yea, she was still not ready to totally like, give in to anybody romantically. She was not feeling dating. Yea, didn't want to get out there romantically. Yea.


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[Assistant] And uhm, in the fall of 1975, she got a letter from a former pen pal of hers, Robert.


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[Assistant] Uh, Krauss had intended to take her on a date. That was his intention with this. It wasn't like, I wanna take you to dinner as friends. He was like, I like you. Yeah. And I wanna take you to dinner. I kinda got that vibe. So he showed up at her apartment to pick her up and she had invited two of her coworkers with her. Uh huh. And the two coworkers said, we kinda look out for her.


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[Assistant] Teresita, never let it get to her and never let it take away anything from her life. Good. She was happy and she was fulfilled regardless. So truly with the exception of like the small amount of like introvert kind of like hiding away-ness that she had when she first arrived in Chicago, she ended up loving spending time with friends.


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[Assistant] Like, loved any opportunity to throw a party. She was like a social gal. My kinda girly. So she really got over it. I also love that she was like, if you wanna be my lover.


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[Assistant] After what would be her eventual death, because obviously we know how this ends. I know. Uh, many people would say that although she was what they referred to as a straight person, meaning she didn't drink or use drugs. Yea, straight ahead. She always kept beer and good scotch whiskey on hand for whenever she was entertaining for everyone else.


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[Assistant] Now, one of the biggest and most memorable parties that Teresita ever threw was in the summer of 1976.


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[Assistant] It was like a great time, and I love how close she was to her mom.


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[Assistant] Like that her mom like taught her how to garden. Right. They had that bond and then it's like she just couldn't wait to show her mom like the new city that she loved. That's really special.


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[Assistant] Now, at about 3pm the evening, the afternoon of February 21st, 1977,


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[Assistant] Teresita was preparing to leave the hospital after a long day of work.


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[Assistant] And she was putting on her coat, getting ready to leave when her friend Alan, who I just mentioned, Alan Showery,


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[Assistant] Yeah, he came into the room and they just kind of chatted and they left together. They were going to catch the bus together. Uh, they would do that often because the bus went by both their apartments. So they would just get on the bus together. Right.


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[Assistant] Now on the ride home, Teresita had mentioned to Alan that she was, her television was all fucked up.


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[Assistant] And he was like, oh, I can come by tonight and take a look at it and see if I can try to fix it. I'm kinda handy.


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[Assistant] And she was like, oh, that's great. And then they kind of discussed the Mahogany 5 Plus 1's upcoming show that they had, and Teresita said that they might be losing their drummer soon.


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[Assistant] And so Alan was like, I can play the drums. Like if you need someone to sit in, like I can do that for you. Minus one plus one. Exactly. So Teresita was like, Oh, you know what? You can buy a ticket to see us at the show and then you can decide if you really want to like be a part of it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And at the time, Alan was like, I can't really, like, I don't have a lot of extra money, so I can't really do it.


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[Assistant] And before getting off at her stop, she was like, listen, I'm gonna set a ticket aside for you and you can come pick it up later. What a sweetheart. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So once she'd settled in at home that evening, she called her friend, who was also her bandmate,


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[Assistant] Dr. John Abella, and a little after 7pm they were just chatting on the phone, they discussed the upcoming show, you know, they talked about ticket sales and how they were going to market it, and Teresita had also said that her friend Alan, who he also knew, might be taking, could take over the drumming seat.


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[Assistant] And he was like, and she was like, oh, it might be, you know, a good opportunity for you to hear him play if we can get you guys all together. They talked for about 10 minutes and then Teresita apparently excused herself and said someone's knocking at the door.


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[Assistant] And she told, she did tell him she was expecting company, and she said someone who might buy a ticket for the concert.


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[Assistant] So at about 7.30 PM, she was, Teresita got another call and she answered. Okay. Um, and it was her friend and coworker, Ruth Loeb.


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[Assistant] And they just kind of chatted for about 20 minutes, very casual chat, just best friends, you know, besties. Besties being besties. Yea, and Teresita mentioned that she, quote, had a male visitor. And Ruth did hear a male in the background, just kind of chatting, like nothing crazy. Uh, but she didn't give Loeb a name before ending the call.


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[Assistant] Okay. That was the last time that Loeb or anyone else would speak to Teresita Basa. Oh. So a little after 8.30pm.


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[Assistant] Catherine and Mario Nazzy, I believe that's how you say it. They were cleaning up after dinner. They lived on the 15th floor in the Pine Grove apartments where Teresita lived. I know that's high up. They were just cleaning up and they, you know, not long after turning off the television, they just kind of like settled in for the evening. And Mario was like,


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[Assistant] What is that smell? And he suddenly smelled burning. Oh no. So they were like what the fuck? So they all, they ran around their apartment being like did anything burn or is something left on?


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[Assistant] And Mario opened the door in the hallway and was immediately overwhelmed with smoke that was like filling up the floor. So he screamed for his wife to run out with him and they started running down the hallway yelling fire and banging on their neighbors doors to try to get everybody out.


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[Assistant] And as they made their way to the elevator, Mario got, uh, he got out of the elevator on the 7th floor to let the building's janitor know his name was Petro Lulusa.


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[Assistant] He was like, I'm sending my wife to the lobby, but like, there's a fire, we gotta get everyone out. Which like, badass. You also shouldn't use the elevator in a fire, right? Probably not, no.


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[Assistant] Uh, but Chicago firefighters had actually made their way into the hallway at this point because the fire alarm started going off.


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[Assistant] And they told the men, please leave immediately. And they had to crawl on their hands and knees, like under the smoke. It was really thick at this point. And they were going through trying to make sure everybody was out of all the different rooms.


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[Assistant] And they entered Teresita Basa's apartment and noticed that


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[Assistant] Whatever the smoke was coming from, it was coming from inside this apartment. And not only that, but it was coming from the middle of her bedroom floor, like right next to the bed. That's where it seems to be originating.


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[Assistant] So they used axes and they smashed all the windows, the balcony door in her bedroom.


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[Assistant] And they just were trying to vent out all the smoke and they were able to put the fire out.


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[Assistant] And I think they had to use like the fire hose and two handheld extinguishers, so it was pretty big. And once they had cleared it all, the fire lieutenant, Warren Wellen,


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[Assistant] Began investigating, trying to figure out what the fuck was going on here.


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[Assistant] And he said it looked like somebody had attempted to burn the mattress in that bedroom.


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[Assistant] And there was a pile of clothes on the floor and it looked like the mattress had been put on the pile of clothes and then lit on fire. Weird.


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[Assistant] But so he like kicked the smoldering pile and was like, what the fuck is under here? Like what's going on?


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[Assistant] That's when he discovered the nude body of Teresita Basa and he found a butcher knife embedded to the wooden handle in the exact center of her chest.


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[Assistant] It was mayhem. Teresita's apartment appeared to have been completely ransacked.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and with the clothing and mattresses piled on the body they thought it was basically


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[Assistant] Set ablaze to get rid of any evidence.


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[Assistant] The fire caused a ton of damage to Teresita's body. She had burns on both sides of her body and head.


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[Assistant] Now fortunately though the fire hadn't made its way through the heaviest part of the clothing pile, so a lot of her face, torso, and upper legs were spared from being burned. That's good.


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[Assistant] Now Fire Lieutenant Whalen radioed the police because now they had found a body and it was clearly a murdered body.


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[Assistant] And so they called in the body and detectives arrived at the scene pretty quickly.


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[Assistant] Now to the more seasoned detectives, the crime scene


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[Assistant] Particularly, especially the pile of clothes in the center of the floor.


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[Assistant] It made them think of William Hirons, who is the lipstick killer. We haven't covered him yet. That's actually on my list to cover. Uhm, he murdered several women in the mid-1940s and he would leave piles of items at the crime scene as like his signature. Oh, weird.


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[Assistant] So, immediately they were like, whoa, this is wild. But Hirons had been in prison for decades. I was just going to say it was no longer the 40s. So they were like, but they were like, is this a copycat? Like what, this just is a weird thing to do. Yeah. So, but they were like, I don't know what this is, but it's not good.


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[Assistant] So from a quick search of the apartment, detectives were able to identify the victim from photos and, you know, personal papers and stuff. And they noted that there were three locks on the door and not one of them had been damaged or broken at all.


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[Assistant] Like, whoever the killer was, it was likely that they were led into the apartment by Teresita. There was no struggle in that sense.


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[Assistant] The bedroom though really looked like a robbery had occurred. Jewelry boxes were open and flung on the floor, they were overturned, drawers were pulled out.


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[Assistant] The contents of everything was strewn around the room. It was a mess.


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[Assistant] And the living room was kind of in a similar state of disarray, like plants, vases, tables were flipped over, two televisions were side by side in front of the sofa.


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[Assistant] Now, outside the bedroom, they didn't really get a lot of evidence, just like aside from the chaos out there, but they did find a note.


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[Assistant] It was on a memo pad by the phone, and on it was written in Teresita's handwriting, get tickets for AS. Right. Alan Showery. Right. So, officers, and they saw that and they were like, we should collect that, I don't know who that is.


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[Assistant] So officers started going door to door, interviewing residents on each floor, just trying to learn something about her.


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[Assistant] What they found was that she was very private. She was a private person, she kinda kept to herself when it came to her neighbors. But the neighbors said she was very pleasant, but they just don't know a lot about her.


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[Assistant] And the best lead they could find came from the janitor, Petro.


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[Assistant] And he told detectives that he had seen Teresita arguing with someone in the lobby a few weeks earlier.


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[Assistant] He said he was a white guy about 50 years old and he seemed like he'd been drinking.


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[Assistant] Teresita's neighbor across the hall, Bruce Campbell, which I was like, wow, Bruce Campbell.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so Bruce Campbell, her, you know, um, neighbor from across the hall. Yeaah. He said he had seen her with a man as well. And she never told him the man's name and she didn't hear it. She never introduced him or anything.


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[Assistant] But Campbell was like, fairly certain that the man was a sheet metal worker. He remembers her saying something about that. Okay.


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[Assistant] Now Catherine Nazzy, who was the one who had helped alert everybody about the fire, she gave investigators another lead. She said she didn't know too much about Teresita personally.


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[Assistant] But she did recall hearing from another neighbor a few weeks earlier that Teresita had been attacked or raped or something like that.


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[Assistant] According to Catherine, Teresita apparently had been standing at the door trying to get her key into the lock and a man in a ski mask grabbed her and attacked her.


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[Assistant] What? But she didn't have any more information about that.


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[Assistant] So they asked the building manager, Joyce Kaltman, and Joyce Kaltman remembered another incident in September of 1974 where they had to have the locks changed after someone broke into Teresita's apartment and stole some things.


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[Assistant] Yeah. What are you telling me right now? I'm not sure. What? That's the thing, like, no one had any real information and that was what they told them.


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[Assistant] Attacked or raped or something like that. What we learn is she was not raped.


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[Assistant] Now, the case was assigned to 40-year-old homicide detective Joseph Stahula.


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[Assistant] He was on the force for like a decade or more. Definitely had already made a name for himself as like the guy who gets shit done. Like he's not gonna quit. Stuhula? He's not gonna go anywhere.


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[Assistant] And so initially, he, like everyone else, believed this was a rape, murder, arson, robbery kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Making it very high profile. You would say. So once the scene had been secured, Stahula and his partner Lee Burley Eplen. Obsessed. Uh, they headed to the apartments to kind of look over the scene.


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[Assistant] It was basically how they had been told it would be, like very little leads to go on right off the bat.


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[Assistant] But in the kitchen, Stahula found a cutting board out on the counter and there was some lettuce and half a tomato.


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[Assistant] And next to that was a small piece of meat still wrapped in butcher's paper.


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[Assistant] And now the only thing that was very absent from this scene in the kitchen was a knife that had been used to cut the vegetables.


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[Assistant] Now, other than that, the detectives discovered some, you know, personal papers they found


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[Assistant] Her dress book with a lot of names and $30 in cash.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and that address book had the names and numbers for like everyone she knew. So they were like jackpot.


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[Assistant] Now as Stuhula and Eplen made their way through this address book, they were calling people, trying to get anything they could.


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[Assistant] They finally came across the numbers of Ray King and Richard Pizzotti.


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[Assistant] Uh, they were two men who had accompanied Teresita out to dinner with Robert Krause a few years earlier. They were the two co-workers that were like, we kinda look out for her. Oh shit, okay, okay. They were the ones that she brought to dinner with the guy who wanted to take her out. So these are good guys. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And these two men confirmed, they, they came like and were there for this. They, they confirmed that Teresita didn't have a boyfriend, not to their knowledge.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but that she like hung out with men, like, I think they said she liked men for their company. Yeaah. But they were like, no, she wasn't romantically involved with anyone.


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[Assistant] And they did say in the months before her murder, she had like seen off and on this man named Robert Knudsen, who was a construction worker in his early 50s.


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[Assistant] They had seen, that the neighbors had seen her, and the janitor had seen her arguing with, um, a kind of a white guy in his fifties. Yeah, right.


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[Assistant] Now the detective's next call was to Ruth Loeb, that was Teresita's co-worker and closest friend. Yea. Ruth confirmed that she had spoken to Teresita on the night of the murder and that the two had made plans to have lunch the following day. I can't imagine having that knowledge, like, that your friend...


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[Assistant] And she had told her, like, I have someone, like, someone knocked at the door. She's like, I heard that person come in. Right. Like, ugh.


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[Assistant] And she told detectives that while she was on the phone with her, she heard a male voice, that in the background. And she said she couldn't make out what he was saying, just that it was a male voice.


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[Assistant] And the best she could tell was that Teresita was, you know, in good spirits.


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[Assistant] Didn't seem to be in this man's company against her will, didn't seem to be like stressed out or anything. Nervous at all. Very normal conversation, very normal attitude.


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[Assistant] And the information from Lou- from Ruth confirmed the earlier suspicion that Teresita's killer


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[Assistant] Was likely known to her and was let in voluntarily. Now going to the autopsy.


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[Assistant] On the morning of February 22nd at the morgue, pathologist Dr. Tai An began his autopsy of Teresita's body. Uh, while he was doing the autopsy, Stahula and Eplin, Burleigh Eplin there, they were waiting in the corner just watching.


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[Assistant] Which pathologists love that. And among the more significant findings was that


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[Assistant] beneath the skin of her neck, which was totally charred. The doctor did find bruising on her throat and a fractured larynx, which indicated that at some point before she died and was lit on fire, she'd been choked.


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[Assistant] How do they find out if there's bruising if it's charred skin? Cause they're able to see, like, the, where there's some, like, gathering, like, pooled. Okay, okay. Yeah. Like, underneath the skin? Exactly. Oh, I see. Um, like, cause in the different layers. Yep. Now, they determined that the cause of death was a stab wound lacerating the heart and strangulation.


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[Assistant] They also noted that Teresita's body showed that she had not been sexually assaulted.


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[Assistant] So the findings of the autopsy pretty much completely undermined the theory that the detectives had been building since they first got there. Oh no. She hadn't been raped. She'd simply been undressed and made to look like she was raped to throw the investigation off. Wrangled. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So while Stahula and Eplen discussed the autopsy results with the pathologist, two other detectives went to the home of Robert Knudsen, the guy that she had gone to, um, she had been seeing off and on a little bit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the man, he confirmed that he did know Teresita and that they'd been on a few dates, but he said on the night of the murder, he hadn't left his house except for a short trip to the grocery store.


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[Assistant] But apparently the officers let him take a valium before the test?


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[Assistant] Which would make the results inconclusive. Right. Uh, but still his prints did not match the second set that was found at the scene that they ended up finding. I'm just picturing him like, do you guys mind if I take this volume? And they're like, yeah, that probably won't mess that up at all. Like what?


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[Assistant] So for months, the detectives pored over Teresita's life, that address book. They talked to everyone she knew. They chased down every single little pulling thread that they could.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, while they initially would have these like promising leads, they would all fall apart. They'd all get ruled out with an interview or a polygraph exam.


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[Assistant] And by the spring, all the leads had dried up and they were running out of people to interview at this point.


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[Assistant] And in the summer after Teresita's murder, things at Edgewater Hospital had kind of just returned to normalcy at that point.


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[Assistant] You know, all the employees just had in the respiratory unit just had to go about their lives. That's really sad because they all loved her a lot. And yeah, and a 39 year old inhalation therapist at Edgewater named Remy Chua.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she was working there, she had hardly known Teresita.


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[Assistant] They had literally, I think, met each other at orientation, when Remy was at orientation. They had worked different shifts, like they did not hang out, they didn't know each other very well, they knew of each other. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think they called each other a nodding acquaintanceship at best.


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[Assistant] That, I say this because it's strange, because Remy's husband and co-workers said that she became kind of preoccupied with Teresita's life overnight. Like out of nowhere.


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[Assistant] One day in July, Remy was sitting alone in the hospital's break room, just all alone, and her coworkers are in the hallway.


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[Assistant] And they see her almost jump out of her chair and tear out of the room, like something scared the shit out of her. And when they looked to see what she had run from, there was nothing there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there was. And so, whatever it was, it scared the shit out of her so badly that she went home. She wouldn't finish her shift. Okay.


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[Assistant] That she said she was sitting alone in the break room, and she just kinda briefly closed her eyes, like kinda...


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[Assistant] Just like resting a little bit and then she opened them and looked up.


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[Assistant] And saw Teresita Basa standing in front of her, not moving or speaking, just staring at her.


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[Assistant] You know, like, and it wasn't like she was asking people like, what did she like? What was she into? Kind of thing. She was almost telling people facts about her. And people were like, how do you know that?


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[Assistant] Like, why do you know that? Like, you don't know her. Yeah. And she was like, yeah, I'm not really sure, cause I don't know her. So it sounds like she's an empath. Now in the days that followed Teresita's appearance to Remy,


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[Assistant] Co-workers remembered that Remi's personality shifted a lot after this. They started noticing that she was very chatty when she wasn't very chatty before.


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[Assistant] And she would just, quote, chatter on about the piano, about classical music, playing, or partying, like throwing parties, all the things that Teresita was into.


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[Assistant] She was possessed. And Teresita's coworkers were like, this is disturbing. Like they had all been very close to Teresita. Probably like pissed them off. Well, and it seemed like this woman was doing a strange impression of her almost. Yeah. So they all actually ended up reporting it to Remy's supervisor, Ted Ellis, and being like, she's being weird.


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[Assistant] And but now Remy was feeling ganged up on and kind of harassed by her coworkers and who were like, what the fuck dude, stop pretending to be Teresita. So she ended up reporting to Alice that she believed that it had become a hostile work environment.


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[Assistant] Because she said she was very confused and anxious at work, like something was different and she wasn't feeling comfortable there.


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[Assistant] And she said, you know, like people making comments about the Teresita thing and like,


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[Assistant] Claiming that she was impersonating this woman that she hardly knew, like it was just getting weird there. So she said like she was kind of relieved that she was like out of there because she felt like something


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[Assistant] And when she didn't come back a few minutes later, like just stayed in the bedroom, Jose was like...


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm gonna check on her. So he went in there and checked and she was lying on the bed with her eyes wide open.


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[Assistant] And so he was like, hey, what's wrong? You okay? But she wouldn't say anything. So he was like, what the fuck? Like, are you okay?


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[Assistant] And then she started speaking in Tagalog, I believe is how you say it, which is, uhm, like their native language.


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[Assistant] And she was saying, mama, mama, are you there, mama?


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[Assistant] What? And Jose was very confused. And he was like, what the fuck? Cause the Chua's also, they came from the Philippines and they spoke Tagalog at home.


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[Assistant] Teresita would also know. And he said, the voice coming from his wife was not like her normal speaking voice.


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[Assistant] So he said, she was speaking a language I understood that we speak at home. But not in her voice. But this was not her voice. And then he said, to Jose's ear, it sounded like there was a slight Spanish accent here.


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[Assistant] And then he said Remi had her eyes fixed on the ceiling and she said, I am Teresita Basa. Holy shit. And Dr. Chua was like, oh fuck. And he was like, I was very alarmed. And she kept rambling on in this language about the dead woman, whom she barely knew.


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[Assistant] And then she looked at him and said, Doctor Chua, I would like to ask for your help.


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[Assistant] And she responded to stop the person who killed me.


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[Assistant] Maybe she's just really stressed and under a lot of anxiety and this is like some kind of hallucination or like she's having a bad dream. She's like maybe having a night terror right now.


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[Assistant] So he started walking towards the bathroom because he was gonna get something like a cool cloth to like calm her.


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[Assistant] And he said as he was walking towards the bathroom, she lifted her arm and gestured to the telephone and said, call the police, please doctor, call the police and tell them who killed me. I cannot rest until they know.


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[Assistant] And Jose was kind of starting to panic at this point. Cause he's like, I can't call the police right now. And he was like, I don't know what to tell them. I don't know what you're saying. Like I don't know what's happening right now. And then Remy suddenly abruptly came to and was very confused why she was in bed.


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[Assistant] And what the fuck was wrong with her husband, why he was so alarmed? This is real, this happened. This happened.


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[Assistant] And he explained to her what happened. He was like, uhm, this is what just happened. And she was like, what? Like, I have no idea what you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, she must have been so scared and he must have been so scared. And they're like, what? Like they had not, nothing like this had happened to them before. Usually it doesn't in your life. It's not like these people are people that are like trying to do this all the time. Like this was a very random thing.


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[Assistant] In the next day, Jose had driven his wife to Edgewater to get her belongings from work.


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[Assistant] And they, you know, they came back, they were in the living room and Remy was talking on the phone.


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[Assistant] And suddenly, she hands him the phone abruptly and says, Teresita wants to come back. Nope, nope, nope. Oh my god, what? And then she walked out of the room in the middle of a phone call. She literally stopped, handed him the phone, said Teresita wants to come back, and walked into the bedroom.


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[Assistant] And so Jose was like, I'm sorry, my wife has to call you back and ended the phone call.


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[Assistant] What? And again, she said, I am Teresita Basa. I'd be like, I believe you. And she said she was murdered by a man named Alan Showery. Yeah, I already knew that. And she said, and she spouted this to him, she said, he came to fix my television. He stabbed me, he choked me, and he stole some of my jewelry.


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[Assistant] And she said, and then she just urgently requested him, please go to the police, please go to the police with this. And she was, he was,


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[Assistant] And then they provided proof. Tell me right now. They explained every piece of jewelry that he had stolen.


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[Assistant] And they said it was a ring that my mother had given me.


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[Assistant] It was like another piece of, and I'll explain those in a little bit, but that ring that her mother had given her a year before.


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[Assistant] Now as they provided this proof of this is what he took from me, Remy came too and was again completely confused what just happened.


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[Assistant] And this happened again the following day, the exact same thing over and over with the voice saying,


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[Assistant] I know, like please call, please provide this proof, please tell them that this is what's happening. So Remy was like.


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[Assistant] When she came too and he told her again that this is, you keep doing this, this is the third day.


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[Assistant] Remi was like, we gotta do something. It's just gonna keep happening otherwise. So Remi called a friend and told the friend the story and this friend, who I guess was connected to the consulate,


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[Assistant] They placed a call to the Evanston police and using their connections where like, this is what I've heard is happening. Right.


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[Assistant] They didn't give them the full rundown, I guess, but. They didn't give them the rundown from the grief. The whole thing. So the tip about the Chua's was assigned to Detective Floyd McKinney at the Evanston Police. Okay. Uhm, and he drove to the Chua's home to interview them. This is absolutely wild.


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[Assistant] So, they were worried that the detective was not going to take the story of Teresita's spirit possessing Remy's body and telling them? I feel like most people would feel that way.


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[Assistant] Remember, if they were looking to get something out of this, and they were looking to like, get attention, they would have just said it. Yea. They would have been like, wow, she got possessed. Like, this would have been like, that thing. No. They didn't want to. They just told McKinney that Remy had received a threatening phone call from a former co-worker, Alan Shaury.


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[Assistant] And that she believed that he could have played part in Teresita's murder because of how aggressive he was.


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[Assistant] I'm like losing it right now. So there's no actual evidence to support this at the moment, and McKinney, the detective, just kind of took the statement, left the house. Like I'll write it down I guess. Yea, he was like wow that's wild.


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[Assistant] And back at the station, he reported it to his supervisor. Like, you know, they have this name, they got a threatening phone call, they think it could be connected.


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[Assistant] So his supervisor was like, pass this on to Chicago, where the jurisdiction is.


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[Assistant] So, you know, they would have to be the ones to conduct this, so they did. So Detective McKinney and Evanston was the one who received the tip. Okay.


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[Assistant] And they hadn't had any leads in the case since the end of April, so he was like, awesome. Like, we'll just go with this.


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[Assistant] And he was not aware of all the specifics, obviously he got that, he got that story from it.


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[Assistant] That he had received a tip from this couple in Evanston about a man named Alan Showery being involved possibly in the Basa murder and it was Stahula obviously who heard this tip.


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[Assistant] And he got the tip and he placed a call to the Chua's the next day. Okay. So now this is Tehula in Chicago who is now having to contact the Chua's.


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[Assistant] Where did, sorry, where did the Chivas live? They lived in Evanston. Oh, okay. Which is just another jurisdiction. That's why they had to like... I see.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and apparently, they had lived about a half hour outside of Chicago. So, Stahula had to go, you know, to their address, he had to go sit down and talk to them, and he was like, what do you guys know?


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[Assistant] Now at first, they stayed with the story. They heard a, they received a harassing phone call from a man that Remy believed was Alan Showery. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And she explained that Showery worked as what she thought was an orderly at Edgewater. She was like, I'm not really sure what he does. There's different reports that he was an orderly or he was an, uh, like, um, respiratory therapist. Okay. But she said he likes to pretend he's a doctor.


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[Assistant] He even gets mail addressed to Dr. Shaury. That's something.


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[Assistant] Something about the story seemed a little strange to Stahula, he just had like...


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[Assistant] His feeling? Yeah, his radar was going off. Spidey senses are tingling? Yeah, yeah. And he said the chewers were being a little cagey and they seemed a little reluctant to talk. Uh huh. Which he thought was weird. Right. And he was like, this seems kind of just like a prank phone call, like I don't know about this.


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[Assistant] And he said every time that Showery's name was brought up, he could see Jose tense up and become uncomfortable. Really? So he was like, what's going on? And he kind of pressed on them a little bit and was like, what, what do you know? Like what's happening here?


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[Assistant] And finally, Jose leaned towards him and said, tell me, Mr. Detective, do you believe in the occult or in exorcism? Uh huh. And so he was like, I'm open minded. Okay. And so, thank goodness, explained the events of the previous week, the real events.


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[Assistant] They told the detective Jose had asked the voice who killed Teresita and she had said Alan Showery. And he said she kept repeating his name over and over and over. And Joseph said, or excuse me, Jose said, he said, he killed me. He killed me. He killed me over and over and over. Then he added credibility to the story.


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[Assistant] Because Jose explained that the voice had said that Showery had taken her jewelry.