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[Assistant] The weirder one is not an RPG, it's Monkey Island.


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[Assistant] It should get a laugh out of me from time to time. That was a, that's everywhere in what we do. It was a messenger as well, maybe a bit more obviously that time around, but, but yeah, that's, that's the one big influence that's in everything we do that, that, that it's maybe harder to pick up on.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's falling in love during the fall, right? Uh, while waving someone goodbye and meeting your new best friend and, and, and it's also a summer day somehow, you know? Uhm, and so,


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[Assistant] You know, it's not like life sucks and then you die, you know, it's very much like you can...


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[Assistant] You can do this. It's, it's an optimistic, it's a positive message. It leaves you with a gut feeling of like, oh yeah, I can apply this in my own way, right? That's got nothing to do with, with, you know, Magus or whatever. And all these characters are amazing, but, but the essence of it.


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[Assistant] And I just remember a sense of freedom. It was the first game with no random encounters. I'm just free to roam the world map, you know. Uh, the music is just...


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[Assistant] If, of course, gaming is your hobby, it's something you do to pass the time, but this game somehow is a day off within that.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, you're still playing your hobby, but you're like taking a vacation inside of your hobby. I don't know. It's, it's super magical. That's why I do this for a living. So I'm super biased about Grunt Trigger, but I, I, that was my sort of understanding. My takeaways was like, how do we capture that essence, but then express it in,


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[Assistant] We go from abstract to something else concrete without using directly any of what it concretely does, but we'll reuse everything that it does in more of an abstract way. I don't know if that makes sense, but like, cause I do spend thousands of hours thinking about this to death and maybe it only makes sense in my mind, but that's, that's, that's kind of where I was at in terms of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. Uh, well, so that's the thing is, is, and you're right, 2019, we were like, so we were planning the campaign. And I remember that's when I sent you the, the.


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[Assistant] Uh, the spring equinox, you know, to kind of be cute with the, the sun and moon thing and all. And it was the Thursday of GDC, right? So, so, well, I mean, you would know this, but so GDC is a big, like, you know, business to business event where everyone goes. And so the press is there, the developers are there, there's conferences and everything. And it's the big thing in San Francisco, you fly out and all.


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[Assistant] And so we're planning on Thursday of GDC, we're, we're, we're doing, we have the suite, you know, and all, and we're going to have press rolling in, giving the pitch hands-on demo and all. And we're going to have this big thing. We launched a Kickstarter campaign with the press embargo. Everything is aligned very good. And then everything locks down obviously, right? So GDC is canceled. Uh, we don't get the fly anymore.


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[Assistant] And then our thing is like, well, we're kind of all in on this, right? And so do we still go for it because we've been working on it for like, you know, Kickstarter isn't like, yeah, let's just do that tomorrow. It took six months of analyzing other campaigns, planning our messaging and everything, all the beats we were going to have and all.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the response was great. So that was, that was really, really good. The Kickstarter went super well, which kind of.


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[Assistant] You don't go bankrupt, you know, right away. And so, yeah, we decided to pursue it, but also the Kickstarter helped, you know, finding more funding for the game because the social proof was already there and everything. In terms of the hassle, like in terms of any problems in production,


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[Assistant] I would say that was pretty good because most of the team, it's been over a decade of us all working together. We have kind of, we're all cut from the same cloth.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's already good. And so everyone was genuinely self-driven to give this their all. And so even though we were remote for almost a full two years, we honestly didn't really see a dip in either production or quality, but it was great.


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[Assistant] It really helped to be together again, like pointing at the screen and like doing iterations and all, but no, I don't think we saw a delay or anything. I think we would pretty much be at the same place even despite that.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. I mean, yes, absolutely. So, you know, when I was at my day job at another game studio and I was talking about Sabotage, you know, before starting it, because these are all the founders, all the people that were there in the beginning, we had been colleagues for a while before then.


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[Assistant] You know, and it's like, it seems like all these things kind of just fell into place and we've kind of felt this traction of like, well, just say it and just try it because it seems like, you know,


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[Assistant] And in the end, all we did was write a polite email with a pitch and samples from Eric's music, uh, to his studio, because he has his own studio, right? And we just got a reply. Like, hey, actually, I'm interested. Uh, this feels right.


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[Assistant] Let's, let's take the conversation further and from there, you know, it's just, I would say just like any business conversation, you know, you're like, here's the scope of what we might be looking at. Here's what we can afford. Here's, okay, what do you need? What makes sense? That's, that's.


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[Assistant] So we, we, we told them like between one and ten tracks would be the


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[Assistant] What we'd like to do, because we also want to leave space for our own home composer. And, and he went for 10, he went for the, the, the, like the, the maximum amount, which was unreal. And he gave press, it was Japanese press, but he gave a quote, uhm, for a reason I don't,


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[Assistant] I don't really understand. I want to write music for this game is the first thought I had when I saw it. And so look, I don't know. And to be honest, I will actually never know.


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[Assistant] So we work with Devolver and basically.


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[Assistant] Everything went as perfectly as it like theoretically can go, right? Like they're, you know, they're like on the level where, where it's like, oh, I like, I know we signed this, but I kind of feel this way. And they're like, let's, okay, let's stop. You know what I mean? Like they're, they're as humane as it gets, you know, while still being a business.


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[Assistant] And so there was an understanding that, that it's not going to get any better than this, right? They go out of their way to talk about the developer. They say like, Hey, we did not make this, you know, and everything. And despite all of that, it seems like you're always under the umbrella, right? And I think.


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[Assistant] For a first game, it really made a lot of sense, because you want to be on the map, right? You want to meet people, and they're not just, for me, I would think as a publisher, not as just...


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[Assistant] Oh, I need money to finish my game, and I know nothing about marketing. So, okay, just give me that, right? It's like, no. A publisher is also a curator, right? In a sense.


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[Assistant] And so Devolver was like, okay, that's a very sexy catalog, right? To be a part of that one, it's, there seems to be a sense, you know, for players that like they, they kind of, they pick, uh, games that are,


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[Assistant] It wasn't so much the funding aspect of it, it wasn't, it was kind of the marketing, but mostly it was like, we need, uh, uhm, we need a seal of approval that were...


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[Assistant] We're a thing and we might become a thing, you know? Uhm, and so the second time around, uh, it was just sort of part of a, a, a, uhm,


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[Assistant] It's been nothing but great, but there was still this sense like, okay, can we like this kind of hide that we're chasing of doing it ourselves? You know, can we push that even further?


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[Assistant] Business or financial decision is self-published like that. That's not the reason. It's really just like, man, we want to be able to say like we 100% did this. There's not a shred of a doubt that it would have happened.


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[Assistant] You know, there's not like, ah, maybe if it weren't for this person or that other entity, like maybe it would have all fell flat. We can look at this and say like, this is genuinely us, you know, all of it.


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[Assistant] You feel that for sure, like I can just get in a meeting with Phil and it's like, this is what we're doing and we're the only two people, like we have no one else to talk to, you know, that, that just goes right away. We can change something in two minutes and sort of that velocity of never having to check in with anyone that never not get anything approved.


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[Assistant] We can choose to spend on something. Like for example, we have cinematics in the game, fully animated cinematics.


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[Assistant] Which I think amounted to more budget than the entire production for Messenger, you know?


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[Assistant] But I'm sure that for the player, like the end user, if you will,


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[Assistant] I mean, I think for real, like nothing is ever off the table. I will say 4 Sea of Stars. Like the thrill of like, let's figure it out and just do it was kind of the fuel for all of this.


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[Assistant] Does next time around, we go like, ah, we'd rather like, you know, offload a whole bunch of that maybe, uh, or is it like, no, that we've all figured it out. Let's just reuse everything that we learn. Otherwise it was just overhead to do it once. Um, I can't, I can't really say for sure other than like, we'll just make, we feel like making, and by the time we reach that,


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[Assistant] It seems like perhaps no one, I don't know that no one ever asked, but there's certainly a timing thing to that too, right? Which is, I don't know that two years ago we could have.


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[Assistant] Hold it off, if you will, because maybe the, the, the both catalogs were like, uh, not open to considering, you know, like a cross, like, you know, because if you go back like three years, it's, it's, what is it time to do? It's time to sign with.


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[Assistant] Very prudent and we believed in the game very much. Our thing was...


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[Assistant] Like, you know, we didn't just get a yes the first time is what I'm getting at, but so my thing was when you get a no, you can be like, well, okay, I, so.


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[Assistant] Respectfully, I don't think we have demonstrated the value that we're proposing here.


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[Assistant] So let's let's talk again when we can better demonstrate it.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so meanwhile, you're doing your social media efforts. Meanwhile, you're doing your, your wish lists on steam efforts. You're having a demo that comes out and so, and once you can start showing like, Hey, look, this is, this is growing. This is the interest that we're seeing. This is, uh, because in terms of wish lists, like the numbers aren't public, but the ranking is right.


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[Assistant] Uh, and so we were like in the top 25 top wishlisted games globally, like worldwide on steam and you've got all the big blockbusters in there. And so it's like, well, so can you.


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[Assistant] Once you demonstrate that there is demand, I think it's the same with, with the Kickstarter. What we did is the money that you raise, right? It's very hard to bring money in the conversation with, with, I mean, you're all.


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[Assistant] But, but mostly what that did, the Kickstarter was A, marketing and B, social proof. So now you're talking about you want to get investment for your game and you're like, hey, look, we got over 25,000 backers. What are the most successful Canadian video game Kickstarter?


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[Assistant] So yea, anyway, all these things are, you know, and so it's the same if you go to talk about a deal to be on a catalog or anything, it's all about what have you been able to prove? What can you demonstrate? And then that's value for them. It's like, look, I think, and you need to hold your breath a little bit before saying it, but you're like, look, I genuinely believe that my game will be a good argument for people to subscribe to your


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. We've, we've had the, we've had, so, you know, we're talking about how the game sold 250,000 units in the, in the first week, but if you look at


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[Assistant] If we combine like PlayStation Plus and Game Pass, we've had over 2 million players.


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[Assistant] The way, the way we look at this is more like...


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[Assistant] I don't, I have no idea what the conversation, how big the conversation would be around our game if we didn't have


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[Assistant] And the only reason is they always cover whatever is the monthly thing that's being added or whatever. And so that exposure, you know, becomes sales and especially as a small studio.


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[Assistant] We don't need, you know, extra big numbers to be afloat, uh, and, and just the amount of messages that we've been getting of people who say, I played it, I got it on Game Pass and then I bought it because I really liked it and let me try it and then I bought the game. I don't know if that makes sense for a big AAA game, you know, but for us,


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[Assistant] Sure, sure. Well, yeah, so, well, okay. Yeah, this is very much what the game designer had, right? I don't like achievement. I love them as a player. But as a designer, I'm like, eh, it's kind of like, it's expected. I kind of have to tack something onto my game that no matter what type, like it's, it's not true that for every game this add-on is


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[Assistant] I remember for me it came from a game that we played ourselves as kids. I remember for me it was Ninja Gaiden 2 was my first.


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[Assistant] I was playing this game all the time, I got an alarm clock to get up early before school to play more Ninja Gaiden 2, and I was, I was up to level 3 of not killing a single enemy except for the bosses, right, which is now known as a pacifist run. I'm not saying I invented this, I'm saying that we all did, right, collectively. Everyone


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[Assistant] Came up with achievements of their own volition. Why? Because we love a game so much.


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[Assistant] Like being a thing, right? I remember going like...


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[Assistant] Oh man, this is going to be amazing. Now the developers are going to use this to guide us into new ways to play their game.


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[Assistant] And in my experience, that's not really what happened, right? You basically get these


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[Assistant] Uhm, and so from there I was trying to, because I remember, I mean, not to play to the crowd too much, I know, Gerard, that you love Final Fantasy VII Remake, but when I played this, it's on hard mode, because I played on normal.


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[Assistant] Which was my fault and I was not seeing the potential of the combat system. I played on hard and I was dying until I stumbled upon what makes the combat system sing and then I was like, man, I'm flying. I can't believe I could have missed out on how much this clicks once you get it.


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[Assistant] Miss out on, right? And it's like the game developer telling you like, what if you try this way though?


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[Assistant] Which you can't dodge anymore, the thing that's preventing you from fully seeing the intention, right? So.


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[Assistant] So anyway, this is, maybe that was too long-winded, but where I'm at with achievements is, okay, how do you think of, let's have a few puns in there for the ones that I just stumbled upon because that's expected. Okay, sure. Let's, let's do the service there. It's expected as part of making games in the current year. That's great.


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[Assistant] But also making sure that some achievements will make you go like, huh, okay, I, so I need to approach it this way. There must be a way to do that. This implies that I can use that in this way and then creating those clicks moment to make sure that.


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[Assistant] One thing about the moon rank bouncing it 25 times, I think that's a good example of what we were talking about. It's not so much about


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[Assistant] Can you do that skillshot? Can you do that skillshot? That's almost impossible. It's like no, it's...


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[Assistant] Make sure that through your journey with this game, you experience at least once the empowerment of pulling off a cool move, you know, and that's really what that achievement is about. It's not like, is it like nearly impossible? It's like, no, make sure that you get there, but it's,


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[Assistant] It's reasonable and you're just gonna have that high and then that you've had that moment where you had this fight, you'll remember that fight where you did it, you know, for those who it's, it's a bit harder for, but it gives them a more, it's not just completion and in terms of ticking all the boxes is that you've lived the complete


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[Assistant] Experience that was envisioned in terms of how you feel and all the different things that you do so.


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[Assistant] It was also designed to be playable, uh, like multiplayer, you know, it's not just like you versus AI, it also makes sense no matter what you pick.


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[Assistant] So we'll, we're hearing a demand for it. We're certainly excited about it as well. Uh, we'll try to, uh, we'll try to figure it out and we'll see what happens.


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[Assistant] I do not think they love him. I do definitely think that's a bit of a stretch too far, but here I am regardless. We're still keeping on keeping on. Hello.


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[Assistant] That was, that was fun. Can I say as well, I was actually really, I was nervous before that. Were you nervous? I don't know. I don't know why, like, but I just, I was just nervous. So I was like, oh, Jeff Keighley, uh, uh, you know, I hope, I hope I don't screw this up, you know? That really was.


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[Assistant] It was a good interview. I was really- You guys did great. He definitely, he definitely said some interesting things. He, uh, he didn't hold back on some of his, uh, his takes on, particularly on E3. He has thoughts.


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[Assistant] The reason I'm trying to get him on the podcast is so I can be like, listen, where the fuck is Lucy's Steam Deck right now? Come on, man. We want to like hold his feet to the fire on that one. So Lawrence, just put yourself on notice, man. That's what's coming.


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[Assistant] Which means that that's it. So I'm- You have like an illegal steam deck.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well no, I got set mine for Valve, so like direct.


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[Assistant] Right, so they're like, good luck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Godspeed, you know? Maybe I could fly to New Zealand though, to Gabe's house and, um, and just like, like, I'll be like, dude, I dropped my stick. Can you fix it for me? And he's pretty chill. I think he'd probably say yes. Like he's, he's pretty relaxed.


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[Assistant] Yes, Bungie, yes, well it's been tough, because obviously Bungie is a big studio and they make a big popular game and so that's obviously going to invite lots of criticism and whatever else.


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[Assistant] And that's perfectly natural, obviously, you know, like it's, and Bungie are fine with that as well, and they're okay with people having hot takes on their game, and you know, they're cool with that, but I think what they've really pushed back on recently is where people cross the line into not only what you call toxicity,


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[Assistant] But like, outright harassment, so uhm, they've...


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[Assistant] One, one person recently has been running their mouth talking about how they're gonna burn down Bunchy HQ and how, uh, they have recently moved into the same area as one developer and they said that this person is not safe because now they live in the same area. He said that in a sort of threatening sort of way.


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[Assistant] And so Bungie's like, and plus this old person was also, uh, selling cheats on some cheat forum and doing a whole bunch of other stuff. So Bungie, you're like, you know what? Fuck you.


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[Assistant] We're gonna sue you. And so they brought suit against this guy and that is now happening, right? So to be clear, there's a bunch of stuff that he's done. I suspect that the lawsuit is centered on the cells of cheats because Bungie are taking a number of cheat makers and distributors to task right now.


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[Assistant] But they're also throwing in, as I mentioned, the fact that this guy is abusive and threatening to Bungie staff.


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[Assistant] Related to that is, uh, another incident, another instance where, uhm, there was a creator by the name of Amaze and he did, uh, like a promo video in collaboration with Bungie. Uhm, this content creator is African American and when this, uh, video went up,


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[Assistant] Bunch of staff members, like the bunch of staff members who posted this video started getting really, really racist, uh, phone calls and messages from this person who was just saying terrible, unspeakable things.


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[Assistant] And was also being like, and these numbers were unlisted by the way, these weren't publicly listed, you know, community numbers or whatever, calling the front desk at Bungie. This was like the personal cells. And this person was like delivering pizza to this person's, uh, to the developer's house. So that means that.


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[Assistant] This person knew where these developers lived and you know, if you send someone a pizza to their house, that's


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[Assistant] Very threatening in its own way. Yeah, yeah, not because pizza itself is threatening, don't get me wrong, but it's basically like, hey, I know where you live and that's fucking chilling. So Bungee has worked to unmask this guy since, cause this guy was selling, uh, sending these texts from like, uh, what do you call it? Um, like a, uh,


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[Assistant] A burner essentially, right? And so they've found the identity of this person and they're also trying to, then they're working with law enforcement around this guy and there's no update on what is going to happen on that yet, but.


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[Assistant] That's happening in the background. So yeah, man, like Bungie have definitely, Bungie's staff have really been put through it lately. I know once their community manager has also taken time off recently because of the toll that this sort of harassment has taken on him.


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[Assistant] They've also said, as a result of all of this, that they're kind of gonna step back temporarily from engaging the community in the same way that they used to, because they want to be able to build some mechanisms.


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[Assistant] So uhm, that's kind of the background to what's going on over at Bungie right now, which-


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[Assistant] Pretty rocky over the years, very rocky in fact, but right now it's pretty relaxed I would say, it's calm seas right now.


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[Assistant] What are you really getting by speaking to your community? And like, I don't mean that in some kind of coy way, like, uh, like, oh well, community sucks. Let's just forget it. Cause I don't think that at all.


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[Assistant] But it really actually got me like thinking intellectually about like, well, when Bungie are speaking to their community, cause right now they're stepping back from that engagement. Okay. And it's like, well, what are they going to lose as a result of that? Is the game going to be any worse as a result of that?


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[Assistant] I don't think so, right? Because Bungie are always listening. All developers are generally listening to their players, right? And they're on Reddit and they're on Twitter and whatever else they see it. But that presenting of their staff as this kind of like, here we are, talk to us, give us your opinions. That's that dialogue thing.


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[Assistant] I don't know how much that necessarily really adds to the game, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Um, and that's not what I would propose because I do like that Bungie have that dialogue. Like I do like that they reach out.


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[Assistant] But I guess as I said, it did get me thinking about like, well, let's just imagine a hypothetical where all of that disappeared, what's actually lost. And I'm, I don't know, to be honest with you, I really, I'm not sure. I really don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, yeah, it's like, I'm sure Christopher Nolan is out there looking at what's going on in his industry and he's looking at what the fans are saying about his work, but he's not on Twitter being like, hey guys, what do you want me to make next? You know what I mean? Like, he's just doing his thing.


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[Assistant] Let me like, what's, what's like one example you guys can think of where community engagement has manifestly improved a video game? Uh. Like tangibly, manifestly. I mean.


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[Assistant] That was very much like, FromSoft don't talk to that, though, those guys. Like, that's just like, the wall is up with FromSoft. How, like, you know, Miyazaki is not like, hey, what do you guys think I should, how many, how many heads should this dragon have? Should that be three or four heads? What do you think about that? You know? Um. Five? It was twice as many.


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[Assistant] But like, but I think that's such an interesting example to bring up because I think the FromSoft is just like, let's just make a really fucking cool game that we want to make and then everyone can just play it. You know what I mean? Like, unless there's a community management or engagement angle with FromSoft that I'm not aware of, but I understand them to be quite...


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[Assistant] I think that that's crossing over into a different thing, which is that I think there is what we call community.


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[Assistant] And I think there's a discussion to be had about what is the benefit of fostering and engaging that community in the creative design and maintenance of video games. And then there are your nut jobs who I think that's a very separate thing because


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[Assistant] Well, yes it does, I think. But I think it is, yeaah, but I think it is, it is totally, I think it's vital to unpack those things, because I'm sure there are lots of FromSoft nuts who have, do weird things to, you know, to FromSoft and rock up at their HQ and stalk Miyazaki and fight, all that shit, you know what I mean? I think you can actually just


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, I do think it's vital to keep those things separate, and obviously,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just think that uhm, you're always going, unfortunately, on the internet, you are always going to have...


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[Assistant] Sickos who are going to want to make people's lives miserable because, for a variety of reasons, sadly.


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[Assistant] You can, all you can really do then is protect your own staff.


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[Assistant] Which I think is what Bungie is doing. And I like that they're talking about this in this way. I think it raises awareness for this sort of stuff. Cause, you know, there's other stuff going on at Bungie as well they haven't spoken about. I don't know what that is by the way, but they, they allude to the fact that there are other examples. And if it's happening there, it's definitely happening elsewhere for sure. You know?


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[Assistant] And so I applaud that. Uhm, but like I said, that broader conversation about the utility of community, I think is a really interesting one given how different the approaches are across different developers and different publishers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, obviously that marketing angle, there's, there's tremendous marketing benefit in community because if you can foster it, then they do become, you know, yeah, you're right, evangelists, they become almost like a billboard for you and your game. Absolutely. So, but I think that's also a cynical reading.


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[Assistant] I've definitely heard that interpretation of the word community, and yeah, it's true, for sure.


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[Assistant] But I also believe that the people at game studios who are trying to foster community


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[Assistant] Like whenever a new game drops, like Saints Row is coming out, right?


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[Assistant] I'm immediately thinking, okay, well, how's this going down? And I'm seeing tweets. I'm seeing Reddit posts. I'm seeing comments in the trailers. I'm seeing like the general vibe around it all. And it colors my own view, right? And it really got me thinking like, are there any games that I experienced where I don't have any of that noise? And the only one is Clash Royale on mobile, which I play.


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[Assistant] Which I have played as I said today, six years of it. And I have almost never engaged with any aspect of the community for that game. Like I don't go on the subreddit, I don't go on, I don't watch YouTubers, whatever. And so it's such a different thing for me because


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[Assistant] There are parts of that game where I feel like, is this broken? That feels a bit overpowered, but is it?


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[Assistant] I don't know, I've got no idea cause I have no points of calibration to tell me that it's broken. I'm like, air balloon seems fucked, please nerf it. Supercell. But I don't know that it is, it's just that's my feeling. And when a new update comes, it's always a big surprise to me. I'm like, whoa, something new. I had no idea this was coming. I've got no idea what it is. Let's check it out. It's this


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[Assistant] Totally different, I know I'm sounding ridiculous right now when talking about a mobile game, but it really is instructive for me because it's this totally different means of receiving and interacting with a video game that I don't get to have across any other video game that I play.


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[Assistant] And I like that a lot. It's cool. It's just, there's something about that that is interesting to me.


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[Assistant] This is the Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 lobby screenshot moment where, like, they're all like, I'm boycotting this, and then you are, and then you go and watch their watch history, and all they're watching is American Horror Story on repeat.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, but like if that show, like I don't know anything about that show by the way, I've never watched any of it. But I'm gonna assume it's now shit, okay? Cause it was not doing well.


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[Assistant] So, you know, like Game of Thrones didn't need a community management outreach initiative in seasons one through four, but it probably did need it through seasons, you know, four through eight. Uh, you know, so I think that.


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[Assistant] Arrogance. It's a strong word, I don't mean it in a tru- like, but what I'm saying is that like, that idea that we don't need to do all of that stuff.


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[Assistant] They don't. Realistically, they don't. They can just do it their own way because they've maintained a quality bar that allows people to trust in the quality of their stuff and...


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[Assistant] Really big in terms of their community stuff that they do a lot. They have a huge community team. They're really out there.


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[Assistant] I don't, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily say that's a balance per se in, in that it's not like they're doing a little bit of community stuff, but just kind of focusing on their own thing. They're really all in on the community angle. Not that that's bad, by the way. That's fine. I'm just saying I wouldn't say that's like balance.


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[Assistant] We have a big list to get. We've got big dreams. There is a list and we're definitely relying on you, Jeff, to get us that Hideo Kojima invite, that connection right there. So please at the end of the episode, we will chat to you about that.


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[Assistant] Child labor. That's the start of it. That's where it all began. Child labor. Love it.


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[Assistant] But I think as well, you also kind of helped create a new medium in a sense, and I think the Game Awards is...


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[Assistant] Kind of a new medium-ish. I mean, you were doing, there were game awards before.


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[Assistant] That were interesting. You go back and look at clips of those and you're like, whoa, I can't believe that's how we used to do this. But I think you sort of have formalized that thing with the game awards over the last few years. I'm really interested to know how that sort of exactly came about. Like what was the journey towards what we know as today as the game awards?


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[Assistant] That, I mean coming back to what you said like 94 and you had William Shatner and who else was it? Like it was uh, Leslie Nielsen and all that sort of thing. I think the video games industry has often tried to like bring celebrities from outside of the world of video games into


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[Assistant] Do you think? That's what we've done in the past. Do you think we're still doing that now? Do you think the video games industry has moved past that phase and is confident to stand on its own without the aid of Hollywood celebrity? Or do you think we're still a little bit reliant on that?


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[Assistant] We have a beautiful opera house here in Sydney that I can, I can hook you up with that.


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[Assistant] They say they're back, says Jeff!


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[Assistant] I don't know that you've, what was the catalyst behind that decision? Like what, what, what really led to that moment where you're like, okay, that's enough.


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[Assistant] Do you think that participation attrition is due to the ESA's mismanagement or do you think it's to do with the fact that companies are realizing that they can do this on their own and they don't need to pay millions of dollars for a spot on the show floor?


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[Assistant] It should be game. I actually thought it was games plural. It should definitely be summer games fest. There is more than one game there. It's plural.


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[Assistant] Is it video games, one or two words? I'm always gonna go with one word. I'm gonna create that word, it should be ours, right?


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[Assistant] I have been to Gamescom once, uh, it's a lot. It's the sweatiest game event I've ever been at. It's actually one of the sweatiest events I've ever been to in my entire life. Obviously there's the press day, which is really chill, but then the public day, it's like you walk out smelling like 700 people's armpits. It's a lot. I still, it's the only event I've ever been to.


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[Assistant] How many, uh, how many world premieres are we looking at? Can you, can you reveal that number here?


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[Assistant] Do you think Gamescom has its own kind of identity separate from? Obviously the Game Awards is about giving out awards and Summer Games Fest is, I don't know, adjacent to E3. Do you think Gamescom has its own kind of specific thing that it does that nothing else does? Is there an identity to this event that-


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[Assistant] No, I reckon that was before all that shit was happening. Like that was-


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[Assistant] Oh, immediately that's, you've sold me, like that's it right there, 100%. Is it as beautiful as the Revenant though?


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[Assistant] Like, I like Sunny, I don't, well I'm not a huge fan, but anytime I watch a Sunny clip, I'm like, hey that's funny, I get it. Anytime I watch three seconds of this, I'm like, no, stop, turn it off, oh my god, this is so awful.


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[Assistant] I like his energy for sure, but I just think, oh man, there's one episode in that season, the first season, which is totally different.


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[Assistant] It's the best one. I'm like, this should have been the show. I was like, okay, if you'd have made this the series, I'm a hundred percent on board totally. Um, but yeah, there's apparently this other thing, this like, I've heard about this other show.


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[Assistant] It's a good point. That's a good point. That's it. Like bottom line. It's, uh, it got


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[Assistant] At the start it was less good, uh, as in when we first got the build. And then we got like two updates, the last one being really chunky, and then there was a promise of a day one patch after that. Uhm, but on that second patch, it ran beautifully for me. Uhm, I have 2080 Ti and a 3070 laptop.


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[Assistant] And, uh, there are reports from a few outlets, including digital foundry, that it doesn't run as well on mid to lower end hardware. And that apparently is something that's being addressed on that sort of day one launch patch.


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[Assistant] But bottom line, it's for me personally ran beautifully, extremely flexible options menu that really focused on the right things. Uh, the ray tracing implementation is really nice.


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[Assistant] Um, it does support ultra wide. It's, it has actually surprisingly excellent keyboard and mouse support. And this is something that I was like, there's no way I know, right? There's no way.


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[Assistant] That is what I said. That is what I said until I did it and I'm like, okay, look, is this better than a controller? No, it's not controllers.


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[Assistant] There's a walk, there's a walk, there's a walk toggle, there's a walk toggle, so you can walk slowly if you like.


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[Assistant] But yeah, no, but overall though, really fantastic, excellent, uh, port and it's just, it's great because


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[Assistant] Sony are really investing in this. This is from Nixus Software, who Sony actually acquired. They've made a number of excellent PC ports in the past. This is like a top quality PC port house. They've cut no corners. Even some of the stuff that I called out in my review, it was immediately patched in that day one.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's a super, super safe purchase. If you've got a higher end system, I think the word is still, um, we're still waiting on final confirmation of how it runs on lower end systems. So yeah.


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[Assistant] But what a great game, man. Spider-Man. I don't know, like everyone here loves Spider-Man, right? Yeah. Okay, cool. Cause I, I, I did see a lot of revisionism in the comment section as well. Like, oh, this actually, this game actually sucks cause it's just lots of waypoint markers. And it's like, no, like I think the whole.


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[Assistant] Conversation around that is about, it lacks a lot of context and nuance.


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[Assistant] This game should only be this long and then it's done and that's great. And that's where I think a lot of our fatigue with open worlds comes through in how much those worlds ask of us, just how endless they can feel and repetitive they start to feel. But I think Spidey is like the perfect example of how it's okay to have a world like that so long as you just.


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[Assistant] Both, both, I saw it on like Reddit and whatever, and, and like by the way, like I'm not saying you're wrong when you say that, like everyone has their own opinion for sure, I'm just saying that I think positioning this game as like, oh it's just this, it's shit, it's like well no, that's not right, like it's, it's, it is just that sure, but it's not shit, it's just like, cause it manages to get that part of it right, but yea.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's interesting phenomena. There's a whole probably separate discussion of like gaming revisionism and like when a game launches and it has a certain narrative around it. And then two to three years later, how narratives could really kind of evolve and shift. And it's like, well, actually, if you really think about it, that game sucked, you know, or the other way.


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[Assistant] Uuuh, I played some Call to the Lamb, did you guys play that one?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I mean, that's, I think, a really interesting question, and I think that's, I think, a central question to the nature of this title because...


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[Assistant] I think the one side of it that you described Lucy is the management game, but there is the other side of it, which is a roguelite, which is a dungeon crawler and whatever. I think both of those.


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[Assistant] Yeah, both of those genres, I think have expectations associated with them about longevity and replayability and this idea that you can continue to return to a management game to build it up a different way and focus on something else and whatever. And similarly with the rogue light, there'd be like, uh, you know, build diversity and you just want to come back to continue to experience the combat.


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[Assistant] Colts of the Lamb is not like that. Colts of the Lamb is much more finite in the sense that it's only aiming to deliver you a good sort of 20 hours. And both of those sides of the game, the combat and the management stuff,


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[Assistant] They're, they're only as deep as they need to be to keep you interested for 20 hours. And after that, that's it. You're done. Right? So, are you working towards a goal of killing a boss? Yes, you are. Definitely. Uhm, but each side, both sides of the game exist in service to the other side.


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[Assistant] And the whole thing exists in service to that final goal. The point of Call to the Lamb isn't to play it forever, it's to finish it, which I think is quite different to why you might play your traditional roguelite or your traditional management game.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's so good. I had one, one of my followers came up to me and he's like, hey bro, I want to get my friend over there to eat a bowl of poop. Can we do that? And you're like, hell yeah, man, let's do it. And then you get this guy to eat a bowl of poop. And then like five hours later, the same guy comes up to me and he's like, oh, that was so funny. He totally ate that bowl of poop. Let's do it again. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] Gerard, what did you, cause I know you're big into your roguelites and 2D combat and whatever, what did you think of that side of the game?


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[Assistant] That was very much my favorite part of the game, funnily enough. It sounds a bit weird, but like economic tuning was actually the thing that really I loved about it. Yeah. In the sense that, um, I also am the same. I don't like Animal Crossing. I think it's boring.


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[Assistant] Um, you're boring. Fair enough to those that do. I am. That's a fact. That's a fact. But, um, but I just, I find just, it's too, it's too grindy, too repetitive. I just, I'm not, I bounce off it, right? I feel the same way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but this is, I, I think all of its resource, all of the unlocks are very reasonable and achievable and all of the grinds, they're almost, it's not right to call them a grind. It's, that's not, that's not, that doesn't exist as a term. What you, whatever you want to get, you can get it relatively quickly, right? But most of all,


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[Assistant] The two sides of the game are so dependent on each other from an economic perspective because to be able to build things in your little village, you'd need to go dungeoning and to be effective in the dungeons, you'd need to build things in your village, right?


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[Assistant] You need to invest equally in both sides of this game and you don't even notice how subtly this game is shepherding you from one side of the game and back to the other. So you never find yourself getting stuck in a rut. You never get bored. You never getting frustrated with the grind. You just like, you hand yourself over to the rhythm of the game and it will take good care of you. And this then, you know, 15, 20 hours will pass.


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[Assistant] Boom, and you've had a great time. So I really love that subtle design that makes that possible.


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[Assistant] I'm actually not because uhm, I've just been too busy, but I'm super excited to, cause I actually like Xenoblade a lot, but I know that it's a hundred hours deep and I've just had too much going on right now, but no, I'm super keen.


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[Assistant] And I was just gonna say, it does make me sad to know, like, Nintendo had just never, I don't think they're ever again going to be try, try to exist at the cutting edge of hardware or even anywhere near the cutting edge of, of graphical hardware.


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[Assistant] And that's such a bummer because you look at a game like this and you can imagine what a cutting edge Xenoblade game would look like if they had the right engine and the right tech to power it. Like, they could make something fucking incredible, but we are never going to get that, you know? And like, I still like Xenoblade Worlds, they could be wrong. I like their art style. I love so many aspects of those games.


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[Assistant] Wow. I wish I had, I, I'm like, I don't know how it, what if there's, I don't have any hobbies because I just work all the time, which is really unhealthy, but it's true. I try and get to the gym. That's a thing. I try and read books. I do do that. I do like actual reading plus also like audio books.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and like I said, I'm going through some Warhammer stuff right now, which is kinda cool.


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[Assistant] But yeah, man, I am, I feel it's, it's actually something I feel bad about cause I do feel as though.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think it's so important to like have some other stuff going on in your life that you can lean into or lean back into if you need to take a break from your work and.


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[Assistant] Like I said, I feel like that really fell down for me during the pandemic. I think I used to have a broader palette of stuff that I was doing, but then with the pandemic, it's kind of like a lot of those things closed off and I would definitely like to reinvest in that part of my life.


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[Assistant] It was always game- well like, it was games, books, and movies, and that's the thing, like, that's- that's still the same, obviously, but I mean, in a way, I almost-


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[Assistant] Don't consider those things hobbies. Like I really consider, they are of course, but in terms of how I see it, like crocheting something, that's a hobby or someone that does, I do dragon boat racing or I play tennis. I think like a doing thing. That's what I really look to. I think consuming media is obviously, I just do that all the time and I love that of course, but


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[Assistant] Outside of that, no, I think the most hobby-esque thing that I did was something called, have you guys heard of body attack? Has anyone heard of this thing? Okay, basically picture aerobics. Picture aerobics. Okay, I used to do that.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, sometimes. So, we'll have to go back to this story, don't worry. But anyone in Australia that knows Body Attack or New Zealand, because it actually originated there,


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[Assistant] And yep, that's it. So, but no one at home will know what body attack is cause they can't see the clip because our editor certainly isn't going to start overlaying clips of body attack into the podcast video easy. No, he wouldn't do that.


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[Assistant] That's for the best, believe me. You made the right call. Big time.


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[Assistant] Have you seen those like people on TikTok or whatever? How you're like...


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[Assistant] They'll see a peat, like, they have to bring up a picture that, or, that's just like a bit of gravel.


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[Assistant] Yep, cool. That's it. That's the one. And like within, just from looking at this one picture of random gravel and random shrub, he is literally able to find exactly where that photo was taken on Google Maps.


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[Assistant] Hell yeaah. Still the greatest OST of all video games except maybe Tony Hawk.


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[Assistant] Do the Googling. Do the Googling. Completionist. G4.


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[Assistant] This is it. This is the, we're gonna have to make a Jake catchphrase, uh, generator on some website somewhere. You press some buttons and Jake wisdom comes out. I love it. I'm, I'm, but can I just say I'm personally very attached to tie shoes and go to bed. If we start messing with it.


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[Assistant] That is the, that is the rock, the foundation of our upcoming merch line, Jake. So I don't think we want to be messing with that. Come on now.


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[Assistant] It's a non-Nigerian artist, so they send...


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[Assistant] After Idris don't tell me his story, I say we have 50 cents there. Then point to one jeep. So I go inside already.


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[Assistant] I love gay people. The first woman I see, I carry very, very, very beautiful.


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[Assistant] This beautiful woman come to tell me, say, okay, you go carry me, go see my shrink. Go see her own shrink, you know. So, it's a making change. Come and enter bathroom. The person where I see where come out again. Nobody the person where enter the bathroom.


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[Assistant] My papa, when I was small, he damaged me with religion and religiosity.


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[Assistant] Like, I think I was about, uh, 13, 14. I'm not good with figures. I began serve mass for church.


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[Assistant] You know, Bible studies on the weekend and things like that, so.


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[Assistant] Uh, even the hungry all of us to be mass servants at that time.


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[Assistant] So, after six years of that, then...


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[Assistant] It was hip at the time to be a Reverend Father. So, me I think said too, I can be a Reverend Father. That's how I woke up.


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[Assistant] Broke out. So yeaah, I was actually going to become a priest. But as you see, those kind of things, you know, fit me.


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[Assistant] See, I-I don't know how it came about, but me, I know since ever since them born me, you know, my owner to cause disruption.


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[Assistant] Uh, even until I disowned my parents, you know, not to constantly, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, I, I, I know been get reasoned, so no ask me. I don't know why, but that was the way I was carved and, uh,


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[Assistant] Your parents will always be wanting you to go this side, you want to go that side. And there's so many people, why no?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we because of the influence their parents had on them.


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[Assistant] So, uhm, at the end, I say, don't let anybody kill your dream. Whether or not your papa or your uncle or your friend or, you know, if you get a particular dream, just keep chasing it. Forget about waiting people go talk. Sometimes they will even call you a banje. It's okay. No problem.


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[Assistant] As long as you're focused on that place where you need to go.


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[Assistant] As long as you no look left, you maintain your own lane, you'll probably get there.


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[Assistant] Because my father used to be very cantankerous, old, foolish, so I taught at the time.


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[Assistant] So I know if you get my own name. So without this man, I'm nothing. I'm not like that guy set up, you know.


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[Assistant] So, and because the man know they agree me, you know, nothing I did at the time, yeaah, nothing I did at the time was, was a no fit impression.


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[Assistant] So for me, it was, uh, a big challenge. So before they disowned me, I said, I disowned them. You know, at a particular point, I wanted to change my last name because it was like,


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[Assistant] How can I always be known as Mr. So-so-so person Pekin? I need to get my own, you know, and that was how I arrived. Immediately I came back from America.


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[Assistant] That was late seventies. After my youth call, my parents were living in Oweri.


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[Assistant] Because, uh, that was the only place I could find free accommodation. Okay? So I settled with my wife of village. After two years, uh, uh, when hunger faced me,


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[Assistant] And I confess another thing for that village I sell pepper soup


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[Assistant] I had something that looked like a recording studio, you know.


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[Assistant] Where people they come, they do demo, they drop me some money, you know. Uh, after a while.


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[Assistant] At least make it go to her parents, please.


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[Assistant] To, no, to, uh, back to our country in, uh, America.


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[Assistant] At least when they walk small, make they send small cash to me, you know.


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[Assistant] You know, when- With you? Yea, with me. I was about five, five months old. Wow. So, how do you know day four?


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[Assistant] All those, uh, house helps and things like that. The only stuff I get now, the one where they help me sell my pepper soup with the record.


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[Assistant] People when they come to demo and all that, you know, till, till one day I just ventured to come to Lagos.


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[Assistant] And I came on attachment. Hmm, both. Yes.


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[Assistant] So that time I think I did that, uh, song, What I Miss.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So I don't walk out, I go polygram, I go different places, Sony music, and I saw that they drive me, come out, you know, Sabi Sink. This guy, them first, they go come, they look me like that. It be man or woman. And I'm like, oh this not showbiz now, why they ask me all this kind of thing. Till I come go Taban Sea. They drive me for Taban Sea too.


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[Assistant] So the calculators I do, I would take go back to my village.


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[Assistant] Very beautiful. I wanted to talk to her but fear no grimy. Because...


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[Assistant] Spending those years in the village damaged my...


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[Assistant] So, actually we take go back to our house and uh, that night we talked to till morning. Nothing happened, we just talked.


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[Assistant] Yes, and her name is Tina Omu Diwe, African Uyubo.


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[Assistant] You know, so no wonder, eh, first of all, they ask me, are you a man or a woman? I, I, I, you're not going to say I'm a man. Which kind of question is that? But, yeaah.


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[Assistant] They thought I was, uh, too weird looking to...


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[Assistant] That time, nah, no blame there, nah. They wear make-up, they wear, they do a lot of things. I came before Boy Jojo.


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[Assistant] Because I don't do my own Chris before Boy George.


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[Assistant] I remember when I did states, you know, I used to like gay bars. I love gay people.


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[Assistant] I know I'm not gay, but I like us, you know, as individuals, you know, my best friend was gay. You understand? So, and I found that they're the most warmest, simple,


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[Assistant] Straightforward, at least the ones who I don't meet. You understand, aha. So, I've always, uh,


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[Assistant] There was an incident that happened in the States, you know, when I was getting through my fourth marriage or my third marriage, I forget, you know. So, one time, my wife got run away.


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[Assistant] So I say, okay, I could go to town. The first woman who I see I go carry. Okay.


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[Assistant] The first woman I see I carry very, very, very beautiful. So we come house, okay, make we do the walk at hand. But we ended up talking till the morning, once again. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] When in con- because I've been in the complaint to Ram, I was going through my depression at the time, so I've been in the complaint to this woman and say, seriously, what in the happen to me?


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[Assistant] This beautiful woman come to tell me, say, okay, you go carry me, go see my shrink. Go see her own shrink, you know. So it's a making change. Come and enter bathroom. The person where I see we come out again. Nobody the person where enter the bathroom.


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[Assistant] It was a lady. So I started, I said, oh, this is good. And if you remember,


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[Assistant] For people that used to watch the Charlie Boy Show back in the days, you know, I used to do this segment called me Ziggy Ziggy. Yeah, where I would dress up like a woman and you know, so I enjoyed it.


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[Assistant] Before then I was already attracted to that community. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Those were the dark days when I come on. Yes, so- Very dark day.


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[Assistant] I remember one day I went to visit my father in the court.


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[Assistant] Then he was always saying things like, ah, this is not going to walk here. Throwing away your...


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[Assistant] Your life, you know, after you go correct school, see what they can't do, see how you look, see this one, this one. I say, why you not go walk? So I can't ask them, I say, you yourself as you then look me.


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[Assistant] Do you think, uhm, what I'm trying to... To portray. To portray. You know Sabi, me again. You say, ehm, but anyway, say this, no go walk.


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[Assistant] Say, people go think they're stupid. People go think they're crazy. I say, oh, it's all about people.


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[Assistant] I say, when it's time to show those people, say, no big grace, all of this has been doctored, and it's intentional. When it reaches that time, I go show them, say I get breakthrough. They say, well, no before Nigeria.


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[Assistant] I thank God that before he died, he swallowed his words and he went around introducing himself.


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[Assistant] Of course, because I felt my father was a hard-born. I felt my father, he used to say things way back then, like uhm, ah, when we'd go to school, we used to walk twenty miles, we'd go carry our chair for head, carry book for head. I can't even wonder why is this man always giving me this analogy.


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[Assistant] I was going to say, if they carry chair for her, they carry book for her, they walk her 20 miles, wear cars, they food for this compound. Abi, are you trying to get us to walk to this school?


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[Assistant] But I thank God for all the training I got from that guy. Because if to say nobody has seen take hand on me, maybe I've forlost the truth.


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[Assistant] Because after he retired now, I went and got him and my mother to come live with me.


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[Assistant] And that was the best job I ever had in my life, taking care of my parents.


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[Assistant] The best job. Well, you can say I was making restitution, I was paying because I spoiled from Belle. I gave those people, I nearly killed themself, I think. You know? Because at 16, you can imagine at 16, I don't bond.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I started making babies quite early. Woah! That's age 16! Yeah.


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[Assistant] There about 16, 17 I'm not good with, you know. My first song is almost 53.


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[Assistant] I only went to America and stayed only five years, Barry.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I say no be me now. Because my maids, why not now?


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[Assistant] I need to say I agree that time, eh, the bit you really forbid me. I remember, Meg, I'll share this one with you. I remember one day, for villager, you know, during the war, you know, so two families came.


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[Assistant] You know, they are picking, both of them are picking, they are picking, they are, they are building.


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[Assistant] So, my papa, you know, he get us, he go take call me and no say, yeah, well, don't gas.


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[Assistant] So, if I can say, when I know Satan get better, I say, hey. Jesus.


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[Assistant] I been think say my papa been warm smile but you know because of the seriousness of the thing. In just the whole the smile like say you know I must not smile this is a serious matter.


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[Assistant] So that's why I take a scapegoat. I say, no, no, no.


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[Assistant] I went for it. I go try make up within my mind.


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[Assistant] Eh, don't they reach like 20, 20-something?


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[Assistant] As I peppered my papa, my parents that time.


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[Assistant] I think this one was trying to pepper me too, you know. But I adopted a new way of dealing with my kids in terms of, you know, we are more friendly.


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[Assistant] He was the Major General. You take orders.


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[Assistant] Time for everything. It was like a military barracks. I said I wasn't going to do that with my kids.


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[Assistant] And then, so for this particular, because I have very special...


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[Assistant] Children, you know, they are not your regular, ordinary kind of children. Yeah, very, very special.


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[Assistant] And most of them, hm, in collections, some, if they realize it and get sense, pass me.


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[Assistant] I cannot come be like this. Get them pregnant, too.


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[Assistant] Now they are my mind eh, and remember I don't tell them ah, for this our discussion see, you don't tell where they like those kind of people, you know?


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[Assistant] So when she now came out, boom, and then gave me the this thing.


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[Assistant] I was feeling somehow, I didn't know whether to accept whether. I said, but what can I do? But what I was most mindful of


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[Assistant] I said I don't want anything where I go do, I go say the wrong thing. We go keep this girl.


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[Assistant] Far from me, because I didn't want that to happen. So I said, okay, make we carry on with that discussion the next day.


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[Assistant] If I don't support this guy, then they say I'm a hypocrite.


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[Assistant] I carried on with the conversation the next day, you know. All I just had to ask was, uh, are you sure? I said, they sure.


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[Assistant] You think you're gonna be happy? Yeah. So for, as far as I was concerned, it was her happiness.


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[Assistant] Whatever she wanted to do. After all, my father couldn't stop me from being Charlie Boy. So who am I to stop anybody? If they say that, that's what they want to do. And uh,


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[Assistant] My kids are not stupid, you know. I have very, very sharp, intelligent children. So, if that's what he wants to do and that will make her happy.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. They knew it was all an act. Because what they saw in the newspapers, uh, wasn't what they were seeing.


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[Assistant] Maybe in my, in my dress to have. Yeaah, maybe.


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[Assistant] There's some kind of truth in that because, you know, I noticed this was a while back. My children started having this, uhm, entitlement.


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[Assistant] You get one day with my picking, one of them come say ah. Every time they say they broke.


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[Assistant] You don't get the time. I don't block all my children. I say, man, I don't talk to me. Bang begins.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah. But me, I know sunshine, you know. But I've always loved children.


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[Assistant] Just like me now, when it is here, I go lost. Now me take my hand. Now me come get money pass out my papa. Come de popular pass out my papa.


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[Assistant] The man, they always take him out to come now. Even when...


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[Assistant] Like, visitors coming or carrying, go somewhere. Before you go talk, you go tell, you say, na him be that Charlie boy and papa. Na him born Charlie boy.


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[Assistant] You understand? So, why can't they look this once by own with sense of entitlement, like say they are entitled.


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[Assistant] I know I wasn't dependent on my parents, so why should they depend on me? You understand?


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[Assistant] Any child when no no say see.


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[Assistant] Success is dependent on the individual.


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[Assistant] I don't see people. In fact, when I did secondary school, my best friend was an orphan. Then they contribute for him to come to school.


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[Assistant] Go to fraternize with him, so he ain't gonna take me for extra studies. You know, privately or... Because I know they like anybody see me where they read. Because I was trying to shock myself. Make, like say, I be one native doctor. If he say, I chop guy's money for secondary school. Because people bought into that shit.


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[Assistant] Because I used to do so many weird stuff, it was unbelievable. I don't know if they get sense, they come sense.


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[Assistant] And because, you see, the money where you take your hand, make sweet past the one, then give it.


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[Assistant] That they are not saying Nigerian people, most of us, will be mumu.


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[Assistant] Like I don't tell on a momona follow come so I like to prank them. If that's what they're thinking, keep thinking. I'll give you more reasons to think the thing by yourself.


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[Assistant] I don't care because I know who I am. And I'm comfortable with who I am. So it doesn't matter what anybody's thinking. Would I be or I know be. You know, consign me. Eh?


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[Assistant] You're correct. You're correct way well. And you just said the truth. You understand? Because uhm, you see that's the bane of pioneers.


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[Assistant] Because nobody care, because the children of nowadays, now within the realm.


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[Assistant] Any person with, like I said, that's the bane of the pioneers. They start things. It's just like this music industry, you know. They even come there.


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[Assistant] How, how, before, you know how Nigerian artists then they be? If you see them, you're not going to look twice. Where is that?


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[Assistant] Before, they can't respect what they get. Oh, then they treat them like worse than people were as a PMAM president.


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[Assistant] I can't warn all the corporate bodies. I say, if anybody is paid less than one million, they'll face the wrath of Charlie Boy.


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[Assistant] Cause I go flood, hundred or carter people area, boys everywhere. I go stop your business.


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[Assistant] Even within the Recola, Nigeria breweries, they tried me, but you know, because the exploitation


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[Assistant] These people, when they bring home, when I go pay them $700,000, some ridiculous amount,


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[Assistant] Then they take some of this money, then they divide it among themselves, then we'll just give them. But now they can't disrespect. But you know something my brother, when you're fighting for some people,


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[Assistant] Now those same people, they fight you back for fighting for them.


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[Assistant] When you go call me, say you want to employ Charlie Boy, I'll go first ask you, oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] I must see what you want to do for this community before I even agree whether I am going to endorse your product or not.


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[Assistant] I've been on the talk distance, say, see you. You get where you go reach. Say now our people, then go they worship us. Of course now people think I've been just a talk nonsense. Now, our, these are our people where they, how they go they, how they go come, they worship us. Now, to address matter, I did where I did where they do my hair. Then they try, do my manicure and pericure. I even phone call,


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[Assistant] Feel like it's in my head. I left everything I was doing.


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[Assistant] And you know, say, at that time, I go to work out for a street, too.


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[Assistant] It was almost 3,000 bikes following me to the airport. So we couldn't land.


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[Assistant] 50 cents, they were getting ready to go to Port Harcourt. He was in the car. Because of this incident, what happened?


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[Assistant] So there was some kind of confusion, yeaah, but they were almost set to go to Port Harcourt, yeaah, because he had four other shows. So as I land now, of course I was looking for Idris. What happened?


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[Assistant] He say he go sit down for first class. Fifty cents in bouncer come say no it wasn't. That place not before them.


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[Assistant] It's a new Nigerian artist, so they send...


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[Assistant] 50 cents, they say make you go back. You know, you know, you know,


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[Assistant] So not so 50 cents in bodyguards gone disciplinar. Passion face. Even the...


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[Assistant] After Idris don't tell me his story, I say we have 50 cents there. Then point to one jeep. So I go inside already.


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[Assistant] So as I entered the corner, I couldn't say, okay, so now you, you, they beat my people. You come Nigeria, you, they beat my people. You were talking to 50 Cent now? Oh yes, now. I said, you still say you feel rich for Takot?


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[Assistant] Are you sure you are going to this protocol? I say my advice is that you should cancel the show.


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[Assistant] It's from the projects, the ghetto. So when I tell her and say you fit rich protocols, so you're supposed to understand. Yes. You understand. Long story short, do you know that that was how that show


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[Assistant] Sometimes some of us, we, they do that bullshit when we need to make some noise, we climb on somebody's back, bowed mouth them so we can get some accolade, you know. I don't think it's necessary, but to each his own. That's how that story got twisted.


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[Assistant] Good question. After that, I think it was Ja Rule.


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[Assistant] When I told them, I said, if you do that show in Nigeria, there'll be dead bodies all over the place. Okay. You told Jaru, I told the organization.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I said that one, that, that was my pick. Yeah. So nobody mess with CB.


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[Assistant] So they now organized me, Nigeria Breweries organized me. The IGF police invited me to Abuja.


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[Assistant] So as soon as I got there, then say, that time I had already written to all the, all the, uhm, record industry.


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[Assistant] So, that was what Odumegu, the NDA at the time, went to talk to Obasanjo.


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[Assistant] Say, as I say, Badmouth, Nigeria.


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[Assistant] And then I arranged with the IG of Police. So as soon as I went there thinking I was going to go and collect contract, they said,


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[Assistant] I first go write to all the people who I don't write for America to tell them that it's safe to come to Nigeria. I say I will never do that because nobody only me write, other people sign. So call all everybody before I go write that letter because I knew I wasn't going to write it.


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[Assistant] Even though I don't carry something, I know someone wants to tell me, so tell me where I can stay.


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[Assistant] I saw them carry me to put for one office.


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[Assistant] You get AC, you get toilet, you get everything. So I wasn't in the cell, more or less. I was in an office, you know.


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[Assistant] My father came the next day, he said, ah, say, oh, don't start again, okay.


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[Assistant] We should, uh, get you out of here. I say I'm not going anywhere.


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[Assistant] Something go happen. And it may not look good for me.


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[Assistant] Because I don't get that kind of money to fight.


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[Assistant] They brought a battalion of military people to the show. So people know to enjoy themselves, because only everywhere you talk. You have, you see guns. Now guns are army people. Like say, second world war. Ah, that time in the trouble.


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[Assistant] That was a difficult question. I don't think that's the answer.


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[Assistant] I know, uhm, upset Danny.


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[Assistant] I don't remember one time I go stop traffic for waiting in the column. Uhm, Ikorodu Road.


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[Assistant] Because I said, they're carrying my bike, so Maria, boys, don't, don't gag me up somewhere. I said, I must drop. I said, okay, no worry. We'll go form checkpoint right here now. And lo and behold, that's what I did. Form checkpoint, we're collecting money.


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[Assistant] So they come and tell me, say, ah, Governor, police people come and say, I say, Governor, I say, Governor, wait, when we finish what they do, Governor can pass.


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[Assistant] To national theater, past national theater. Like I say, they come, they go.


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[Assistant] You understand? So, now so, me and the boys who can't do now, they call, though some people say they no go pay, so I go, you're saying, no stress them. Because we knew what we were doing was illegal. Yeaah. But yes, I did that. And I think that they were collected over, no be 2020, naira bin dem, they drop. Collected over a hundred thousand. So,


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[Assistant] So when we don't finish, I say, okay, I don't work for Nabi. This is your money. Take it. I got on my bike.


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[Assistant] I don't care if I die today, I'm not supposed to be alive in the first place. Uh, why?


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[Assistant] Why? Because the kind things I don't do for my life, the good, the bad, the very ugly. You understand? And some kind of risk why I don't take.


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[Assistant] For somebody like me to still be alive. And all the people why I don't offend, corporate people who not be individuals. Why I don't offend because, you know, they wanted something else and I thought we were deserving of something else, you know, we, you know.


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[Assistant] Even my junior brother self, we every day, you know, uh-huh.


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[Assistant] I don't get any reason to, they are alive, so... What was the worst thing that you think you've ever done? I used to be a thief. How was that?


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[Assistant] I'm not stealing anybody's thing personally, you know, but I was scamming banks and you know, even before when I began here 419, I don't do small. That's the worst. You know, judging how I was brought up, that's the worst. You used to scam banks? Yeah. And they paid? Of course. How? We don't want to get into the how.


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[Assistant] I just told you the worst thing that I've done.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, coming from the neck of wood where I'm coming from. I mean,


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[Assistant] If it was in Nigeria, it wasn't in Nigeria.


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[Assistant] People shoot. I was just stupid and dumb at the time.


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[Assistant] There's so many, I can't even, you know, not that we're talking, I can't pin my finger, uh, on any.


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[Assistant] That's why I'm, that's why I say I have no business being alive.


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[Assistant] There's no worse, there's no best. Everything is seasonal in people's life. There's a time.


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[Assistant] Listen, that's why young marriages don't work.


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[Assistant] That one, I know they count them, but it's still a marriage because we married in church.


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[Assistant] Then I go marry one as soon as I go to America.


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[Assistant] Even the one way all of us know that I'm married. And that's still the wrong reason because that time I was day young.


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[Assistant] I, I wanted to get into show business, so I needed a gregarious lady by my side. We, you know, get Karen Yash correct, everything we find that can represent for the wrong reason.


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[Assistant] But for that wrong reason, I can't discover say, I don't collect more than 45 years old.


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[Assistant] But I'm just someone that I believe in commitment. If you commit.


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[Assistant] You know, if you commit to, I don't like people say, hey, you must love your wife. I say for real.


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[Assistant] I don't like love anything because I, the concept of love is different for me.


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[Assistant] I felt committed to that, you know, not because I'm having a very, very happy marriage. No, I'm not. In fact, as I talk to you, I don't tie yourself. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] How come I be saying, oh, I'm a killiwi, I'm a superman? I can't say. He's a liar. He can't tell ya. See finish which enter.


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[Assistant] From there, I'd ride bike. Hey, it's a champion biker. Now you start bike for where? Start bike for Nigeria. When people don't ride before me, I made it just, I only made it popular. Yeah. Only made it popular. At least I would ride bike till I die for where?


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[Assistant] And I say, right, leave him, I know die, now God hand.


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[Assistant] Because I supposed to don't die on top bike. Don't be my miss, don't die on top bike. Ahem.


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[Assistant] When certain seasons don't pass, yourself, in the next ten years, your thoughts go different, your wants go different, your needs go different.


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[Assistant] You understand? Now I'm at the mellow stage.


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[Assistant] I need, I need the kind wife we go, we go, we go submit to.


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[Assistant] Now the thing with small people, we're never mature for that land.


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[Assistant] Not so than they think, not so than they do, ah, soulmate, my soulmate, yeaah. Now when you enter and you go see the soul, no solo, no mate, hm.


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[Assistant] I'm not a fan of polygamy, really, because I see the problems.


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[Assistant] In fact, now my Peking Kong gave me that idea. One of my Peking. You see, because he's been trying his hand at marriage, three times he's failed. He's now on his own.


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[Assistant] And he called me up one day and said, daddy, you know, it be like, this thing not go walk. Say why can't we just...


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[Assistant] Why can't I just, like, I'm married for three years, I sign contract, when that won't finish, we in. I say, mmm, I say, okay, if you won't do it that way too, you're not bad.


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[Assistant] Before marriage or anything, friendship, friendship works for me. You guys must be friends and not be that friend way you did.


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[Assistant] So if you have great bonding of friendship going for you, yeaah, you can, that marriage can go very far.


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[Assistant] You know, you must be able to talk everything, open up everything and, which is some people say, that's my vulnerability, but I say no.


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[Assistant] If me and this babe, they date now, you go carry the one in main game, you go carry her for mine, you go put her for somewhere.


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[Assistant] Anything that can keep the fire burning, you know.


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[Assistant] Me, I know the one way I did do, because the titty and on the board for my marriage.


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[Assistant] So a small time ago, bring some crazy idea, uh, waiting in the vestment for when my wife, Debbie said, she know they bring the crazy idea. So it can't be like, say, now me, they do the whole walk.


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[Assistant] Not, I won't tell you that one, because that one is too x-rated. I'm not going to tell you, but make I tell you one. One day, I say, okay, so I had to go collect one of my customers away from Yankee. They come, say, Mickey escort me go, I think that was the most recent. Mickey escort me go airport. So we don't reach airport now.


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[Assistant] She just believe say, she take go, pick up somebody for airport.


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[Assistant] See, I, I'm waiting now, but even for pack, I say no pack anything. We reach there. We go organize ourselves. Because I wasn't carrying anything either. I had no luggage, she had no luggage, you know.


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[Assistant] So we don't renew vials so many times. So uhm, and it's like, it's like, I'm running out of ammo. For ammo, or ammo.


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[Assistant] I don't care about sex anymore. Like I used to.


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[Assistant] That's deep. Hmm. You got me on that one. What advice? Just to stay true to themselves.


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[Assistant] Whatever you do, stay true to who you really are. Not who you pretend.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in a roundabout way, like I said, I was making my own restitution. I don't, I don't, somehow not.


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[Assistant] Not that I had it all figured out at that time, but...


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[Assistant] I'm a commitment person, I was committed to being my own damn fucking self. You were committed.


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[Assistant] Well you can't force him. He has to show some sign of interest.


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[Assistant] Or you start to woo him indirectly.


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[Assistant] And these children, you know? Because the children of nowadays, you don't give them others, you negotiate. You sit them down and negotiate.


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[Assistant] And if they give you arguments with superior parts of your own,


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[Assistant] In fact, the other day, I think that was last year.


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[Assistant] I can't meet the girl, I can't like, uhm, especially when it's sh-


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[Assistant] I can't like this girl and I really wanted it to be true. Even though I don't know the time I do her.


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[Assistant] Interesting. So, uh, I now said to her, okay, let's go for a DNA. She can't agree. And I remember at that time I said to her, I said, um, if it's not true, I still want to be your daddy because


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[Assistant] I picked a lot and lots and lots of people on the street that I'm playing the father figure to.


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[Assistant] You know, yeaah, they're not my biological children. There are lots of them like that.


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[Assistant] So, but we went to have the DNA and it wasn't true. I say...


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[Assistant] The only thing, your mom fucked up. Seriously. Because first, there was nothing there.


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[Assistant] So for that thing, you must do it. Because I don't know, when I come in now, if I accept it or not, my manipulation will not start.


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[Assistant] So we left her, but you know, she calls once in a while. Like I said, she's a very focused person. Seems like a good soul.


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[Assistant] Also, everybody was discouraged. Don't watch that show. Just spoil the minds of young people. Till even parents now can't begin. They like the show. So they know they beat their picking again about the show.


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[Assistant] And then yes, you know, Celebrities, that was the longest running show in Nigeria at the time. 14 years, no sponsor.


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[Assistant] We were then, uh, Guinness or somebody come, they just sponsored one year. So you can imagine.


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[Assistant] Running that kind of a show with, yeah, with, with, uh,


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[Assistant] Your relationship with Tunde and Umi will be, till date.


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[Assistant] Not as it should be, you know, we're not as close as we.


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[Assistant] Where one time and for me it's so sad.


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[Assistant] You know, I wish you were different, but it is what it is.


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[Assistant] I did. I never liked to burn bridges.


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[Assistant] As great friendship. I don't believe in burning bridges. But uhm, you never know what some people's on is. Just let them be.


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[Assistant] Hello everybody, welcome to another episode of Friends Per Second, the FPS podcast. This is episode two. We are recording this on the 29th of June.


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[Assistant] I'm Jake Baldino, uh, this is a podcast that is hosted on all the major platforms. It's also appearing on Skill Up's channel over the weekend. And speaking of Skill Up, uh, he is one of our, I was gonna say guest, but you are not a special guest. You are, you are a main guy.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I just, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put you guys on this right now. Uh, the previous episode we all introduced each other and it was very, it was very cutesy and very circle jerky. We should just keep doing that.


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[Assistant] Maybe in a shorter, briefer, like more relaxed way.


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[Assistant] A little, you know, a little wine mom drunk, and, uh, I ordered, without even remembering, uh, an ice cube tray, uh, that's like, it's like Buster Swords.


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[Assistant] So I have, now if I enjoy a delicious like bourbon or a negroni or what have you, I can stick a little buster sword in it as an ice cube. Because it just showed up on my doorstep the other day and I was like, what's this? And I opened it and I was like, oh wow.


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[Assistant] I'm glad you guys are all here. We got a lot to talk about. Uh, are you looking up the ice? I didn't want to interrupt you. I'm, I am.


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[Assistant] Uh, so we got a big show, we got a bunch of news to talk about, we got some games we've been playing, and of course we have another special guest to talk to, so we might as well kick that off, we're pretty excited about it. Let's talk Diablo Immortal, because we haven't


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[Assistant] Talked about it at all yet on this podcast. So for those that don't know, Diablo Immortal has the lowest rated user score of any game on Metacritic.


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[Assistant] Uh, it's all the mobile game stuff, man. So whales can spend hundreds of dollars.


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[Assistant] To max out their farm. PVP is totally pay to win with no restrictions on whales.


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[Assistant] The PvE game is full of hidden caps that stop people from farming too much stuff for free. The game is constantly pulling you into the cash shop, structuring purchases to eke more money out of you, so, uh,


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[Assistant] All of you guys have played this, right? Or at least touched it?


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[Assistant] So I stopped, I like binged it when it came out, I started a hit where I wasn't really liking all the monetization stuff, and


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[Assistant] A lot of it is like nice, it feels expensive, it feels premium, it just is like a crappy mobile game when it comes down to it and that's what...


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[Assistant] That's what bums me out. What it did do was like immediately made me excited and I just like redownloaded Diablo 3 and I was like, man, I'm really looking forward to Diablo 4 still despite this just because it did remind me like, oh, Diablo is tight and sick and dope, so.


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[Assistant] Alright, well like, it's Blizzard, and if it's on PC, like, yeaah, it's gonna be a free to play thing, but like, it's gotta have some, like,


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[Assistant] Interesting depth to that, right? Like it's gotta be something, but nope. It felt like just phone on computer. Yeah. Basically.


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[Assistant] For me, it's like I hit almost like a, an existential wall with it. It happens with a lot of these types of like mobile free to play games. You know, I get hooked on any like little wholesome things like Tiny Tower. It could be something like that, but it could be something like Diablo Immortal where