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[Assistant] Cut straight down through that navel. Yeaah. It would be an automatic detour around that navel. Yeaah. So that was interesting to me seeing that because I was like, wait a second, that's how I cut. And that's just how I've been taught to cut. Right. And was he taught to cut like that?


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[Assistant] As you're saying this, I'm just trying to figure out who this guy is. Yes. Now the report even says that the cut was straight down to within a quarter of an inch from the navel and then went horizontal and around the left side of the navel before coming back around and going straight back down again, leaving that navel untouched.


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[Assistant] I think they said in one of the books I saw it was like on a tongue of skin, they called it. Now to make me even more suspicious that this was someone with at least a medical background, they had removed her left kidney cleanly.


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[Assistant] Like that's also weird because she had kidney problems. Exactly. They had sliced through the renal capsule and removed it. The renal capsule is like this thin layer that is like encapsulating the kidney. Okay.


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[Assistant] Dr. Brown said he believed this was definitely someone with knowledge of anatomy and dissection because they had to know where the kidney was located first of all. Which I don't know where the fuck my kidneys even are. It's not easy to find when you open from the front.


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[Assistant] Part of her uterus was also removed again, another uterus removed, and take, the killer took these two things with him. And part of the uterus. Yea, like I guess he took most of the uterus, but it wasn't as clean as the other one was.


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[Assistant] But the kidney was clean. They had cut it at the right vessel. They had removed it in a way that wasn't just torn out of the body.


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[Assistant] She had kidney disease, was this someone who knew who she was, knew she had a kidney disease, and did that to kinda- Which would be a doctor. Yeah. Also, her liver had been stabbed.


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[Assistant] Her vagina and rectum had been lacerated and stabbed.


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[Assistant] The killer had sliced the right thigh up to the labia and separated that as well to create one big flap of skin. The pancreas and spleen were also lacerated and stabbed. And like the others, she had died from the hemorrhage of the severed carotid artery and everything else was done postmortem.


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[Assistant] No matter what, he took the kidney, he took the uterus, he sliced off her ear. Only part of her ear came out of her clothing. Would her kidneys have looked different? Because they would have had like a shriveled kind of appearance.


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[Assistant] And he just wanted that kidney. And it's like where is the light coming from? How are you seeing this shit?


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[Assistant] How are you finding that fucking kidney in her body in a matter of under 15 minutes? And the only thing that you can think of is a lantern, but like, nobody saw anybody with a lantern. And is he holding a lantern in one hand while also using, or is he placing it somewhere? Like she, this is done on the ground, obviously.


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[Assistant] What the fuck? Like was he, he must have just placed it down on her or on next to her. But that's not even a lot of light. Like that's a lot of work to do in very dim light. And very quickly.


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[Assistant] The thing is, it's like, he went in there with a plan. He went in there looking for a kidney, it seems to me.


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[Assistant] I feel like he had a plan that he was going in there for a kidney. I don't know why, but he went in there for a reason. I just don't feel like the kidney would be the thing you'd rip out first. It just doesn't feel right to me.


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[Assistant] Well then there's also the fact that uhm, there were a few witnesses who said that John Kelly


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[Assistant] Told them that he heard that she was in jail, that she had been arrested that night and he was like, Oh, she'll be out by the morning.


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[Assistant] So she hadn't walked like crazy far because I think it was only like a few minute walk. This is a fucking stump I could. It's, there's, I, it's.


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[Assistant] That's the, that's the other reason I don't believe Elizabeth's stride is part of this series and if she was then that was not his intention was just to do that. Right. Because if you look at it


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[Assistant] It goes from, you know, Polly, uh, Polly Marion Nichols was the first one. She was ravaged for sure. But then Annie Chapman had the intestines. Then we get to Catherine Eddowes who is ravaged. And then the last one we're going to get to is the crescendo.


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[Assistant] So to me it felt like it was like he was ratcheting it up a notch each time intentionally. And this was, I don't know, but it's just really wild to me.


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[Assistant] And like I said, in all of these cases, the mutilation is done post-mortem.


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[Assistant] So soon after this, Constable Alfred Long found the missing sliced apron piece on Goulston Street, which was only about a 10 minute walk from the murder scene.


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[Assistant] The piece of apron also appeared to have blood on it, but not just on it. It appeared that someone had wiped blood onto it, possibly from a bloody knife. Like he had maybe taken it and smeared, like taken it to use to clean the knife.


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[Assistant] Upon further inspection, this is interesting and this points back to the anti-Semitism kind of thing that was going on.


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[Assistant] He found writing in chalk right next to where they found this apron, like down a passageway. And it looked like it had been just written in chalk, like very recently. And it said, and I quote, the Jews are not the men that will be blamed for nothing.


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[Assistant] Which to me is someone trying to make it seem like to blame it on Jewish people. Like this is somebody who's trying to make it look like a Jewish person wrote that. Like we're not going to believe you're lying for anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's just very, what's, and why I point this out as one, to point out the anti-Semitism that was going on here and how they were really trying to pin this on a Jewish person.


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[Assistant] Uhm, just for being Jewish, like no other reason. And regardless of who did this or what it meant, it was evidence because it was found right next to the apron and it seemed to be very recently put there.


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[Assistant] Now a city detective, Daniel Halsey, stayed with the writing and stated to the other officers unseen that he would remain there and he was like, until it gets lighter outside, then we'll try to take a photograph of it.


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[Assistant] It rained stupidity is what it rained. Sir Charles Warren showed up a little before 5 a.m. and told them it had to be erased from the wall immediately because people would see it and it would be dangerous for people. And he was not willing to wait even less than an hour for light to come. He was like, why can't you just keep people away from the area, dude?


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[Assistant] And even like in Complete Jack the Ripper, uh, the Rumbolo one, he says the same thing. He's like, that was bullshit. Like that was a bullshit excuse for him to use.


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[Assistant] So Halsey was like, come on man. And then Halsey and the other officer suggested, why don't we just rub out the word Jews on here so that it's not offensive, you know, it's not immediately igniting anything. Like why don't we rub that out or cover it? Everything else stays. We take a picture of that.


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[Assistant] And he said absolutely not. And in fact, according to the acting commissioner of the city police, Major Smith, he said that Sir Charles Warren erased the entire piece of writing himself before they were able to get any picture of it.


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[Assistant] And he literally landed in Paris the night of the double event. Oh shit. So they were like, you need to come home. And he was like, oh fuck.


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[Assistant] So the home secretary told him, I hold you solely responsible for solving these murders. That's a lot.


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[Assistant] Back from my mental health break. Hey guys. He said, and I quote, I hold myself responsible to take all legitimate means to find him. So he was like, I will do my best, but I will do my best. And in response to this, because now he's feeling a lot of pressure and he's feeling a lot of like, oh shit.


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[Assistant] Anderson suggested that any sex worker found outside after midnight should be arrested or they should be told that they will not be protected by police if they remain outside.


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[Assistant] Okay. Which I was like, uh, no. Luckily everyone was like, dude, chill.


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[Assistant] I'm going to briefly touch upon them in this part and then we will talk about them more in the next one.


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[Assistant] People are always gonna people, unfortunately. The trolls are always gonna troll. The trolls of back then. But there are some letters, very few, that seemed like they have, they could be real.


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[Assistant] So one that I think might be the real deal is the Dear Boss letter. Yes.


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[Assistant] Right before it was sent and it was postmarked before it. It was sent to the Central News Agency in London on September 28th, 1888. So this was two days before. Or one day.


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[Assistant] One day before. This is like drunk history. It was dated on the letter September 25th, like he had written it on September 25th. And the details make me think it could be real. It was given to police by a reporter, Thomas John Bulling. So this is what it says.


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[Assistant] Dear boss, I keep on hearing the police have caught me, but they won't fix me just yet. I ju- I have laughed when they look so clever and talk about being on the right track.


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[Assistant] That joke about leather apron gave me real fits. I'm down on whores and I shan't quit ripping them till I do get buckled. Grand work, the last job was. I gave the lady no time to squeal.


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[Assistant] How can they catch me now? I love my work and want to start again. You will soon hear of me with the funny little games. I saved some of the proper red stuff in a ginger beer bottle over the last job to write with, but it went thick like glue and I can't use it. Red ink is fit enough I hope, haha.


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[Assistant] The next job I d- and this is where, like, I was like, woah. The next job I do, I shall clip the ladies' ears off and send them to police officers just for Jolly, wouldn't you?


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[Assistant] Keep this letter till I do a bit more work, then give it out straight.


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[Assistant] And he clipped a lady's ear off. He didn't, he didn't send them, but I don't know if it's because he maybe couldn't find them. They were stuck in, and here's another thing. They were stuck in her clothing. They didn't find them until they, it fell out of her clothes. Maybe he was searching for them and couldn't find them, heard people and had to get out of there before he could grab it.


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[Assistant] But it's weird to me that he cut her ear off, and this was written before that happened. I think this one is definitely real.


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[Assistant] Very weird. And this letter was posted in the media because the police were desperate at the time. I think it would have been a lot better to hold this one close to the chest and see if another communication came in without the press involved, but


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[Assistant] Proudly spoken. Sir, you know, Sir Charles Warren was. He thought that this should be put in the press. I just don't agree. Now, another communication was sent posted October 1st, 1888.


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[Assistant] So it was meant to seem like it was written right after the double event, like literally within 12 hours. It was a postcard that looked like the original letter, but had what appeared to be blood smeared all over it.


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[Assistant] This one said, You'll hear about saucy Jack's work tomorrow. Double event this time. Number one squealed a bit. Couldn't finish straight off. Had not time to get ears for police. Thanks for keeping last letter back till I got to work again. Jack the Ripper.


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[Assistant] If it is truly sent the day after the event, then it, I don't really know because it was posted in the, in the media, what the, like some of the details. Right. So they could have, I think this one's like eeeh, saucy Jack, I don't know about that one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's saucy. But like, I don't know if he would refer to himself as Saucy Jack.


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[Assistant] He's not well, bitch. That one I don't feel interesting, but I don't feel completely attached to it.


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[Assistant] And the letter that still captivates those who read this case is definitely the From Hell letter. It was a letter not received by the central news agency. Instead, this one was sent to the head of the White Chapel Vigilance Committee, George Lusk.


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[Assistant] The letter was sent from hell and it contained part of a kidney. I think that one was real.


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[Assistant] That one I'm gonna go with was real and we are gonna talk about it in part three.


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[Assistant] I think I went to Storyland once when I was little, if I remember correctly, and then I just blocked it all out of my brain because, uh, I don't remember anything about it. That's the thing, kids love it. So, yeah.


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[Assistant] Just feeling of like, wow, okay, that's what that is.


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[Assistant] Uh, so we're, we're not gonna do a whole bunch of chit chatting before we get into the case today because this is going to be a very long episode. I was gonna- She's back. Yeah, I'm back. And I was gonna split it into two, but-


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[Assistant] There's really no good way to split this into two, and I didn't want to just split it into two because it was long for the sake of doing it, so. Buckle up. It's just gonna be a long one because I think continuity makes more sense here.


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[Assistant] It's quite a long time ago at this point, but it always feels like it was only like 20 years ago. Yeaah. But it wasn't. What is it quality now? No.


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[Assistant] How many? No, it is 40. Is it 40? Yeah, it's 40, it's going on 43. There you go. So 43 years, that's a lot. That's a whole, that's a whole person. So. Yeah, it's like, that's a, that's a person who's lived. It's not me. Yet. Soon.


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[Assistant] Almost John. Almost John. Uh, but yeaah, so this is from the 70s. What's crazy about this case, we're going to be talking about Gerard Johns Schaeffer, who is known as the Killer Cop or the Hangman.


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[Assistant] I had maybe heard his name or come across it.


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[Assistant] Maybe in like the annals of some true crime book that I had read like a million years ago, but I did not know anything about this. I saw like a blurb about a tree and I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I'm just going to look at it. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] He is worse than most we have talked about. Oh good. It's wild to me. And I don't know how we don't know his name, which I guess is probably good that like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, and there's a lot of missing girls and women attributed to him and it was never really solidly closed. Like a few of them definitely got, like, he was convicted of a couple, but like a lot of them just hung out there.


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[Assistant] It's kind of sad because at the time the police were just kind of like, well we got them for these ones.


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[Assistant] Uh, this is a really, really gnarly one, I just wanna say it right out front. There's gonna be some really rough stuff we're gonna talk about. He is a full-on monster, so.


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[Assistant] In his home, in his mother's home, like he had physical evidence connected to these victims, and his own thinly veiled confessions that he actually said were just fiction stories, but somehow they line up


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just crazy. It's just a weird coincidence and somehow I'm being convicted because I'm an amazing writer. What a dope. Yeah, he's a real dope.


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[Assistant] Uhm, another crazy thing about him is at one point he was a police officer. Yeaah. And this takes place in Florida.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he was a police officer, not for too long there, but he definitely used his position for some really heinous things. Now, we're just going to talk about him briefly as a younger person because it's kind of interesting to see where he came from. He was born March 25th, 1946 in Wisconsin.


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[Assistant] Uh, he was born to Doris and Gerard John Schafer Sr. Now he was the oldest of three children, he was the only boy. Uhm, his father was a traveling salesman, he was gone a lot and it was really just like him and his mom and his sisters.


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[Assistant] His dad was also a big drinker, wasn't a super happy family but his


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[Assistant] He also is a compulsive liar. And he's also just like an asshole of the highest order. So it's hard to tell. So it's hard to tell. He tries to make his life look a lot different than it is. He will all at once confess to what he's done and then go, what are you talking about? I've never killed anybody. He's just like, he's a dick. He's just a dick.


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[Assistant] Um, and he likes to say that he was like an illegitimate child quote unquote. Like he'll say, my mom got pregnant with me and they had, they were forced to get married. So that's why they were a horribly horrible relationship because it was started that way. Okay. But that's one, not even corroborated and two,


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[Assistant] Shut the fuck up. Yeah, like that doesn't make you, that doesn't turn you into like a bad person. No, he liked to spout a lot about how his family, and his family was very religious, they were a very catholic family.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but he spouted a lot about how they really hammered into him that Madonna whore dichotomy thing.


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[Assistant] Uh, with women, which is a very unhealthy thing, no matter what. That is not a good thing to teach your children, that like, women are either Madonna or whore. Like those are not, that's not good. Madonna's like Mary Magdalene, right? It's like the, you're asking the wrong, all I know is Madonna is a good thing.


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[Assistant] Whores is taught to be like, you are either this or you are this, and that is it. When you said Madonna at first, I was like, was it in the 70s?


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[Assistant] You were thinking Madonna. I really love that. Like, you know, material girl. And then I was like, ohhhh. Yea, no. Uh, I honestly can't tell you exactly, like the Madonna, I think that's like- I think she's Mary- I don't know. Mary. I think that's Mary. Yea, cause if Madonna's- Mary Magdalene and Mary-


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[Assistant] Uh, very healthy. So the family moved a lot because of, um, his dad's work and they moved to Nashville, Tennessee for a while and then they ended up living in Atlanta for a few years. So they were like rolling around the country.


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[Assistant] Now by 1960, his family had settled down in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.


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[Assistant] Now, his father may not have been home often, and you know, he has a lot of shitty things to say about his dad, but when he was home, he said that


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[Assistant] Now I want to point out that a book that I found on this case that I


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[Assistant] Devoured, but it's got a lot of stuff in it, just so you know. So it's harrowing. It's a very harrowing journey, but it is worth it in my opinion if you were looking to just know this case. It's called American Ripper by Patrick Kendrick, which I thought was interesting because I just went off of Jack the Ripper and I didn't even mean to do this. You're in a place.


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[Assistant] I'm in a place apparently. So Patrick Kendrick did a phenomenal job researching this case. He did it for decades. I mean he like spoke to people and like


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[Assistant] That book has interviews on interviews on interviews. It has his writings and it has everything and so much that I'm not even going to touch upon and I telling you go get that book.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you his book is outrageously horrifying, but outrageously fascinating. I'm right. So American Ripper by Patrick Kendrick. I will link it in the show notes. Um, now according to that book, kids who knew Gerard in middle school and high school said he was pretty unremarkable. Like he just,


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[Assistant] Or if people are just like, I don't remember him, so I'm just gonna make something up about him. But one thing that many of them said was that he


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[Assistant] Definitely was creepy, and he liked to look under girls skirts. Alright, so there you have it. Yep, one...


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[Assistant] A classmate is quoted as saying in an article that I read, quote, the only thing I really remember is that I always had to tuck my skirt under my legs because John, they called him John, John would practically stand on his head to look up a girl's skirt. Jesus Christ. He's a pig everybody.


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[Assistant] And you probably could like only wear skirts back then if you went to school, I'm sure. Everyone was wearing skirts back then and he was just a disgusting hog about it. Now in an article from the Palm Beach Post in 1973, a lot of his classmates were interviewed from high school.


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[Assistant] One of them named Eloise said quote, he was kind of weird. That's all I can say about him. He was kind of out of it, never part of a group. He was the last boy I would have dated. I didn't like him. I don't know why. He was just weird. That's all.


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[Assistant] No, you probably heard some rumors, Eloise. And then Donna, another classmate said, quote, he was a loner, not part of any clique. He would do strange things, like he would be sitting in class and like all of a sudden he would start talking to himself.


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[Assistant] So it's a very interesting, like, hearing the cross section of people talking about him, cause a lot of people had a lot of different views. Yea, very varying things here. Yea, like no one said he was this popular kid or this outgoing kid.


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[Assistant] Now during this time in Fort Lauderdale, he was neighbors to a girl named Lee Haneline. Uh, he had said that he, they were like friendly. They used to like play sports together a little bit, but he also would tell people that he was pissed because she would tease him by undressing in front of her windows. Like it was for him. Like her undressing in her room was like taunting him.


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[Assistant] Now this name, Lee Haneline, is going to come back later.


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[Assistant] The boys finally drifted in with the tide. You never knew where he was. He was sneaky. He sort of dropped by all the time. He would also kill animals that you can't eat. Like he would just do it for fun.


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[Assistant] Just for the hell of it. No, I love, I'm in a place now where I fucking love birds. Birds are pretty rad. I've probably said on this podcast before that I don't like birds. All of a sudden I do like birds. She's gross. And yeah. She's evolution. She is. There you go. She loves birds. She loves a songbird though. I do.


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[Assistant] Large trigger warning for what I'm about to say, because it involves animal cruelty.


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[Assistant] She's like a true crime kind of like people know that name. She got involved with a lot of serial killers. Uh, this was his high school girlfriend though, Sondra London. Maybe that's what inspired it all. He told her that he, out of the blue, he was like, you know what, sometimes I just like really want to hurt people. And she was like, wow, okay. And he was like, I want to hurt women.


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[Assistant] And they both were like, it's weird that he just like told us this, but to me that's purely to scare them and exert power. Like that's him exerting power. Him being, you know, he liked that he basically put women in line by revealing this secret to them because


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[Assistant] I really wanna hurt women. Just so you know. So don't fuck with me. Yeah, I could see that.


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[Assistant] And his whole life is just this struggle for power, this struggle to be legitimate as a human being. It's, and he's not.


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[Assistant] It was pecan crusted trout and you got these like yummy potatoes. There was like olive oil and thyme on them and they were so crispy and delicious. But also it came with an apple, um, like side salad. And the apples, I mentioned it to Drew when I was cutting them. I was like, first of all, these are beautiful apples. And then they tasted so primo, so delicious.


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[Assistant] HelloFresh is also super easy to make and me and Drew have so much fun in the kitchen together. He gets out all the stuff, like it tells you exactly what pans and the preps kind of stuff you need to take out.


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[Assistant] Drew takes care of that and sometimes he'll like do like the chopping for me and I do like the really cooking part. It's just like a cute little thing you can do for date night. But when we had that, that pecan crusted trout, I was like, look at this thing. You know what I'm saying? It was so good.


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[Assistant] So Schaeffer graduated high school in 1964 and he used this, he apparently used his entire summer acting as a quote, nature guide in the Everglades. I would not want him to be my nature guide. Yeah, I guess like he wasn't an actual certified nature guide, he was just doing it. He also started classes at Broward Junior College.


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[Assistant] No, you should not be a teacher. He had a weird college career.


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[Assistant] Like he took a ton of classes every semester, and Patrick Kendrick gets into this in the book a lot, that he did this like very distinct pattern where he would overload his course list, like way overload it, and then he would just start struggling and drop a shit ton of them. But he did it like over and over and over, like he never learned.


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[Assistant] Why, that that wasn't gonna work. He was like competitive with himself. It was more, yea, it was competitive, which he becomes competitive against other serial killers later in his life, by the way.


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[Assistant] Now then in 1968, he managed to transfer to Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton, but we're going to get back to his Broward junior college days at one point. In 1968, the same year he married Martha Fogg, but it was a very short relationship.


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[Assistant] Just, you know, say the least. In the beginning it was fine, like whatever, very sweet relationship where they bonded over creative writing because he also took a lot of creative writing classes, he enjoyed writing, unfortunately.


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[Assistant] What he writes is horrific and something nobody ever wants to read. Uhm, they, you know, they would, he would drive her to school. They were just like, they was like one of those little cute college relationships. They were like, ah, adorable. We like to write things together.


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[Assistant] Then Gerard kinda showed who he really was to her. And he kinda started telling her about his weird fantasies that he had because he enjoyed like putting himself into bondage. He was very BTK. He would take pictures. That kinda thing. And she was like,


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[Assistant] I'm good. And he later said that they were very incompatible sexually and basically he suggested to her, he said that he told her, quote, put out or get out.


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[Assistant] He was struggling, he was struggling in his classes, he was struggling, you know, his home life wasn't that great, he was just having a lot going on and he was starting to get like a little depressed, a little, I think he was struggling with who he was as a person because


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[Assistant] I think he could probably tell that he was a fucked up human and that he was into some stuff that people probably weren't going to be into and that he was kind of scaring people around him.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying that he was like very self-reflective in the way of like maybe I should change things, but instead he started trying to get like attention because like psychologists look back at it and he, you know, left a suicide note at one place, but they were like he never intended to kill himself.


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[Assistant] He was doing it because he thought it would bring a different kind of attention. Like his personality type was not one to, this wasn't what he was doing. His personality type is so confusing. Outrageous.


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[Assistant] And again, this was after the marriage had crumbled. Like it was bad news.


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[Assistant] Rapport was excellent and the testing results are prolific in psychodynamic information. These results are consistent and indicate that John is immature, has poor ego control, is aggressive and rebellious and primarily has an intense father conflict.


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[Assistant] In addition, his personality dynamics incline him to blame others for his own difficulties, which is exactly what this was. He thinks the whole world is against him, but it's really him fucking with the world.


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[Assistant] At this point, John's own resources are not sufficient for a solution to his problems, and he is in need of supportive therapy, which will emelor- I can never say that word.


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[Assistant] Basically get rid of the severity of his symptoms. This examiner does not find any indication of excessive depression, which might indicate suicidal tendencies. It is felt that a character or logical neurosis with a paranoid trait overlay are more descriptive of his personality structure.


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[Assistant] In addition, Bender-Gestalt revealed preservation of the fundamental outstanding Gestalt principle by the use of the primitive loop as a unit symbol.


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[Assistant] This is indicative of decreased ego control and of impairment in reality testing, which is often found among psychotics or individuals with intercranial pathology.


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[Assistant] You know what? That is exactly what I would have said too. That's exactly what you would have said. I was thinking this whole time. So they're basically saying, you know, he's confused about himself. He doesn't understand who he is, he doesn't understand the things he likes, he doesn't understand his own...


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[Assistant] Uh, he's rebellious, he has this weird father thing that's got like a father complex. He alienates some others, but at times he can be very charming and like bring others into him.


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[Assistant] Uh, basically they're saying he's not actually depressed, he just kind of is mimicking this depression and he doesn't actually have suicidal tendencies, he's just looking for the attention here. Okay. So he went to see a Dr. Charles W. Long for some more treatment around this time and


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[Assistant] Things started going better, like he was starting to feel a little more like together, so he applied for a teaching fellowship, cause he was like, you know what, I'm gonna get...


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[Assistant] With my professional shit, I wanna be a teacher. Oh yeaah. At the end of 1969, he started work at Plantan- Plantation High School in Florida and he started teaching social studies.


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[Assistant] This is, so we're gonna go back to, he was still taking classes at Broward Junior College, which is what I talked about before. Right. He was also taking a little bit of, uh, part-time like teaching assistant hours there, so he was like kind of a TA to some of the teachers.


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[Assistant] In December of that year, a woman connected to him went missing under suspicious circumstances. Yeah, cause he did it, right? He definitely did it. Her name was Carmen Halleck. She was 22 years old. She worked as a waitress and was said to have been stunningly beautiful.


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[Assistant] Kind of informant. Okay. Uh, this was, she said this was going to allow her to travel to all these amazing places, like these island places and everywhere.


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[Assistant] And Gerard Schaeffer happened to be a teaching assistant there.


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[Assistant] They also were proven, the two of them, to have taken at least one class together at the time. Okay. So they definitely knew who each other was. And there's more connections to her later.


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[Assistant] She was said to have had dinner out with a mystery man in the days leading up to her disappearance as well, and was last seen on December 18th, 1969 by her friend Nancy Bauer.


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[Assistant] Nancy had invited Carmen to spend Christmas with her or like some of the Christmas time and she had accepted, but she never showed.


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[Assistant] Now, a missing person's report was filed immediately. Remember, and this kind of just like went about the wayside, remember her name, Carmen Halleck.


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[Assistant] At the time, now again, like Ash said, she was the neighbor. She was the neighbor that he said used to taunt him by getting undressed in her own bedroom. By living her life in her own home. Now at this time she was married and her name was Lee Bonadies. Yes, again, it is that Lee.


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[Assistant] Now Carmen's friend Lucille Cardone told Carmen Halleck,


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[Assistant] So they were friends and Lee was blonde and 25 years old. What we're going to see later is that he had a pattern of going after pairs of women and usually they were dark hair, light hair.


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[Assistant] So she was married at the time, only less than a month when she went missing. And when she went missing, she was married to a man named Charles Bonadies. Interestingly, evidence was found that showed that


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[Assistant] They had spoken the day of her disappearance and he later admitted this, said that they spoke, said that she had asked him to drive her to the airport for something, but then sent a telegram later that canceled that, but they never found the telegram. It was all very ridiculous.


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[Assistant] She had left a note for her husband that day saying she was going to Miami, which wasn't that far away and would be back later, but she never returned.


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[Assistant] There is a lot of weirdness surrounding her case that doesn't really like have a place right here, but in the book,


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[Assistant] Like Patrick Kendrick's book, he goes really far into it. I'm telling you go read it cause it's just like a wild goose chase in there. Like that, it kind of goes off to the side in this weird, strange area. Okay. Involving like the FBI and like fake FBI agents and stuff. It's crazy. But definitely go read that book cause it's crazy. But again, remember Lee still.


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[Assistant] So around this time too, Gerard was let go from his first teaching job at that high school.


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[Assistant] And it was after he got like some subpar evaluations about his teaching skills. All right. Uh, one of the things they wrote was that


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[Assistant] He put on the bulletin, it said veto the non-intercourse act, which is apparently something that was going through like, you know, congress or whatever, but he wrote it there for high school students.


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[Assistant] There was also phone calls from parents that he did not have a proper influence on students and they were getting worried. Uh, and he said, so they brought all this to him and were like, you're not doing great. And like parents are not happy with it and we are not happy. He was like, well, I have a right to express my opinions.


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[Assistant] She filed for divorce in May 1970. She also cited extreme cruelty. Oh. Yep.


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[Assistant] She refused after this to speak about the marriage or what led to the divorce. She would not speak about it. Cause that, I feel like that just means she couldn't go through talking about it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it seemed like it was, uh, not great. Yeah, no.


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[Assistant] The same year he got another teaching fellowship. I always love how these kind of people just keep on getting jobs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because it's like nobody checks up on their references. But then people who are like really strong candidates for jobs and really would be good at those jobs get passed over for these kind of dicks? It makes no sense. So you got another teaching fellowship at Stranahan High School in Fort Lauderdale.


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[Assistant] He would leave class and just like not show back up and he would not come to any of the teacher meetings. My ideal teacher. Didn't think, he was just shitty at his job. And he got


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[Assistant] Really bad evaluations there too. One of them said he was too defensive to evaluate. Oh wow. One said student seems to have a severe inferiority complex. There we go.


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[Assistant] Demonstrating the classic defense mechanism of superiority evidenced by authoritative dictatorial approach. Awesome. Yeah, so basically he's a dick.


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[Assistant] The second time super that he got fired from this job, his supervisor was Richard Goodhart. And he said, quote, I told him when he left that he'd better never let me hear of his trying to get a job with any authority over other people, or I do anything I could to prevent it. Holy shit. So his supervisor, Richard Goodhart knew exactly who he was and he knew exactly why


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[Assistant] John or Gerard, whatever you want to call him. I hate calling him John because, like, John. But it's exactly what Gerard was after. He went after every job that let him have power over people. He didn't want to become a teacher. He wanted to become a teacher because he wanted to hold power over a bunch of students.


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[Assistant] Because people have to listen to that's power.


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[Assistant] He becomes a police officer. That's power. He always wanted to hold that kind of power.


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[Assistant] He became very obsessed over this time with capital punishment. Oh. Which, I get it, it's a fascinating- Yeah.


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[Assistant] And he wanted to know everything about what happened when a body was hanged. Okay.


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[Assistant] Yep. Now remember, one of his nicknames is the hangman. I want everybody to remember that. I forgot that. Yep. Obviously, when you put this next to that,


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[Assistant] It gets worse. It's just, it's not okay. It's not an okay interest. Well going through this beginning phase of


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[Assistant] Like being obsessed with hanging and starting to get into what that's all about. He wrote to several publishing companies claiming to be a research assistant for various colleges. He was lying.


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[Assistant] In order to gain access to details about what happened when people died. He was particularly interested in, and this is really gross guys, he was particularly interested in what happened when people would urinate or defecate when they hung.


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[Assistant] He seemed very fascinated by that and that remains something that he derives a lot of pleasure in knowing about.


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[Assistant] He is so bad. Like he's so bad. I have no idea how more people don't know about him. Now this is when he decided he wanted to become a priest. So he tried to become a priest at St. John's seminary, but he was turned away because they said that he did not have enough faith.


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[Assistant] Because he said, he dug deeper into it after that and he said, they didn't allow you to question the dogma of it all. And he was a seeker, guys. You know, Gerard's a seeker of knowledge. That's who he is. He's so intelligent. He's so, he's just always trying to learn, this guy. He's a seeker on the Quidditch team. And he said, and he said, according to him, he's very sensitive.


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[Assistant] And when, and when he would learn things about the Catholic faith, he was like, I just had to ask. So I would go up to a priest and I'd be like, what's this all about?


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[Assistant] What? I don't like it at all. And in one of his interviews, he says that he's like, I would walk up to a priest and I'd be like, it's Virgin Mary stuff. How's that possible?


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[Assistant] So he worked for a while as a security guard, because then again, power, authority.


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[Assistant] Now, he was already at this point saying, the next thing I wanna do is I wanna be a police officer. I'm already a security guard, I got this little taste of it, and I want the full shit.


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[Assistant] I do wonder if, just because of who Gerard is, I wonder if that whole thing when his supervisor Richard Goodhart was like, you better not get any kind of job with authority, that he was like, fuck you, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna get THE job. I feel like he is that kind of person that if you do that, he's just gonna push. Spiteful, yes. Yeah, he's a spiteful piece of shit.


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[Assistant] Uh, he went through the Broward County Police Academy to get here, and in September of 1971, he was on his way to becoming a full-fledged police officer.


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[Assistant] That same year, he proposed to Theresa Dean and they were married by September of 1971.


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[Assistant] Really wild, so hang tight. Alright. Now, the police chief of that department, Bernard Scott, later said about his time at the department, quote, He used poor judgement, did dumb things. If he was sent to control traffic at an accident, John would wander into a store and buy a bag of potato chips. Are you kidding? Dumb things like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, ex-FBI agent Robert Ressler, which people might recognize that name, he says that Schaeffer was disciplined for running female traffic violators through the department's computer.


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[Assistant] Didn't get fired, which should have been an immediate, get the fuck out of here. You don't belong with a badge. Nope. And this power of being able to find all this information. Yeah. He was disciplined for it. No comment. Yeah. That sounds about right for the kind of person he is especially. But then his superiors did this strange thing.


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[Assistant] In March 1972, he got a commendation for his role in a drug bust.


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[Assistant] Then he gets a commendation for a drug bust. Right. So what is, and that's, it goes right back to who he was in high school. No one can pinpoint who he was. Yeah, that's the thing. He's a dichotomy of a human being at all times.


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[Assistant] Thing with him and like a very strange pattern with him though, but like people have these.


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[Assistant] Thoughts about him that are very conflicting at times and it's like, I think he just was able to show.


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[Assistant] Okay, like, I understand why some of these women were like, oh, he's harmless. Right, like, let's hang out. He's chit-chatting, it's fine, like, we can just sit here and shoot the shit. But then you see him turn, and you're like, oh, like, there it is. That's the, that's the scary part.


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[Assistant] Now, after this drug bust, like one month later in April, he was fired.


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[Assistant] This is when he got caught. Okay. On this day, July 21st, 1972, so right after he got the job with this new department, on this day, he picked up 17 year old Pamela Wells and 18 year old Nancy Trotter. They were hitchhiking on the highway. It was the seventies. Yeah. Literally everybody was doing it.


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[Assistant] Pamela was known to her friends and those close to her as Sue. So Sue Wells is who she was known. And she was from Texas. Uh, her friend Nancy there was from Michigan and they were visiting Florida together.


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[Assistant] Exactly. And they quickly decided, you know what, let's spend our travel time together. Florida seems like a great place to go. Let's go together. We're just going to like welcome to being best friends. Like it's just, it's like a cool little story. They just were like, yeah, we're going to be friends now.


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[Assistant] Now on this day they were trying to get a ride along highway A1A. They had spent the day at Jensen beach and had to get back to where they were staying.


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[Assistant] A sheriff's deputy pulled up beside them and at first he told them, do you know it's illegal to hitchhike in this area? It was not.


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[Assistant] Now this was Gerard Schaeffer, who was 26 years old at the time. He...


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[Assistant] And he even, at this point, this is what's so wild about him, he called the department, which is, this was something that they would do, police officers, I don't know if they do it now, I'm sure they do, they would call the department and say, hey, is it okay if I drive these two women home?


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[Assistant] This is where I am. So it's on record. So you're not just driving. It's smart. But he did it. Like he did that protocol. Okay. And he took his time with Nancy and Sue, really got to know them, was chatting with them in the car, just being a real charismatic guy. Again, he's only 26 at this point, so he's not that much older than them. So he's telling them,


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[Assistant] That, you know, his old stories of hitchhiking, he's like, I used to do it too, you know, like he's appealing to their youth, their sense of adventure. He's like, I get it. You just want to like, you know, ride with someone you don't even know and just go off into the wild blue yonder. I get it. Girls just want to have fun.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, like this guy's cool. They're like, they're like, they're like, great, he's a sheriff's deputy. We have somebody like we can trust around here who can protect us. So he drops them off where they were staying. He brings them to where they were staying and then he says,


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[Assistant] I'll meet you and I'll give you a ride to the beach tomorrow so that you don't have to hitchhike. And they were psyched, they were like cool, we get like a fucking, we get like an escort to the beach, like this is great.


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[Assistant] They said when he showed up, he was wearing shorts and a plain shirt. He was not wearing his uniform because he was like, Oh, it's my morning off. So I'm just wearing my normal clothes. And he told them, you know, I'm going to take you to the beach. He was driving his light blue slash green Datsun.


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[Assistant] And he said it's this like old Spanish fort near the river. It's not.


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[Assistant] So they're like, all right, but instead he drives them down a dirt road toward Hutchinson Island into a forest. No. And Sue's like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, like is this in here? And she was quoted as saying, I got worried because he had told us the day before when he picked us up not to tell anyone.


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[Assistant] They survived, so that is, both of them survived, so you can at least go in there knowing that, but my god, at what cost. He pulled into thick brush and there was this old rundown shed in the middle of like a swamp, and they were like, is what, is that it? And he was like, yeah, that's it. And they were like,


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[Assistant] Like he had been telling them all these in the river and this and this year they did this and this used to be the entrance for this. Then he sits down. Suddenly he went like stone cold.


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[Assistant] And they said he was suddenly super aggressive, the friendliness was completely gone, and out of nowhere he says, you two ran away, you're runaways, and I know it. And they were like,


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[Assistant] And they were like, what? So he told, and then he's like, I can bury you out here and no one would find you.


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[Assistant] And then he said to them, there is no crime without a body.


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[Assistant] And pieces of sheet and he gags them both with the pieces of fabric and they're like, now I'm starting to get freaked out and he's tying them up, tying their legs, tying around their arms.


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[Assistant] They're freaking out and he explained to them that if one of them tries to escape anything he does, he was going to kill the other. Oh my god. So he goes, feel free.


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[Assistant] Feel free to run, but know that I'm gonna kill your friend because you ran.


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[Assistant] And they were both, now remember, they didn't know each other forever, so that's gotta be a weird scenario where you're like, I really like this person and we're friends right now and we've been traveling, but fuck, like what am I, like now I have this like literal life


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[Assistant] And he put it on the ground. He made her sit on it and he tied her legs together. And then he made another loop around her shoulders so that she was tied hand and foot, handcuffed and gagged. I was scared then I could have run away but because, but I couldn't because he had Sue there.


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[Assistant] So Nancy literally was like, I could have run and I, but I just couldn't because he was going to hurt her. I can't do that, right. Like what a fucking, I'm like, yeah. That's a great woman right there. Like you guys are great.


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[Assistant] He took Nancy to the river where there was this huge like banyan and mangrove tree sticking out of the water.


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[Assistant] He made Nancy get up on one of those roots and balance.


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[Assistant] And he put a noose around her neck and looped the rope a few times around the branches of the tree.


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[Assistant] So he's fascinated by that. Yep. He told her he could rape her if he wanted to. He was like, I could rape you right now if I want to. But then he just stared at her and then left. And she was like.


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[Assistant] So she has no idea what's happening. She doesn't know if he's going to kill Sue.


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[Assistant] He doesn't, she doesn't know if he's coming back. She doesn't know what the plan is. She knows that if she moves anywhere she's hanging.


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[Assistant] I undid the knot myself and then I got all the ropes off. I didn't take very long, maybe 10 or 15 minutes but I still had handcuffs on. Wow, good for her to do all of that handcuffed.


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[Assistant] Like, Nancy, final girl. Like, energy, right there. So she ran. She just ran. And she said, she thought, which I'm like, that's brilliant, to take the ropes with her. Because she said if I left them,


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[Assistant] So she's wading through it as fast as possible, still handcuffed. She heard someone call her name and she's like,


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[Assistant] Watches Nancy go off across the river, so she made her way to the road, she actually like waded across the river, made her way to the road, and she got the attention of a truck driver, which


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[Assistant] And now sheriff's deputies are out looking for Nancy. And sorry, is this in the same jurisdiction as he was in? Like his police force looking for them? Are you shitting me? Sure is.


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[Assistant] Now meanwhile, now that Nancy has made the hardest decision of her life to not go back to her friend and to just like trudge on to try to get help,


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[Assistant] After her ordeal, with handcuffs on, and she kept going. She got up on the shore completely exhausted and she just cried for cars to help her. Like just was like, I just didn't know what else to do. She was like, I was so beyond exhausted, like in every way.


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[Assistant] So a sheriff's deputy car pulled over, and her immediate thought was like, oh my god, it's him.


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[Assistant] Luckily it was a real protector. The way you said it, I was like, oh fuck. Well this was sheriff's deputy Robert Lewis Crowder. He was the man who stopped and he was sincerely there to help her. He had not originally heard the story from Sue and the truck driver calling the department. He already knew that they were supposed to be out looking for this girl.


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[Assistant] How? He heard this story from Shafer himself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Crowder? So, Sheriff's Deputy Crowder was home that day. He was like off that day. He actually said he was like mowing the lawn in one of the interviews. He was like, I was literally mowing my front lawn. Okay. And he said, I got a call from Gerard Schaeffer.


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[Assistant] And he's like, what the hell? And he says, I answered the phone and he says, I've done something foolish. You're going to be mad at me.


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[Assistant] That's literally, word for word, what he said to him. I don't even care about the like, you're gonna be mad at me. I've done something foolish. Foolish. I molested a young woman. That's so foolish of me. Obducted?


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[Assistant] Tied up, molested, assaulted, tortured, and planned to murder two women. And you said kidnapped, right? No, you said abducted. Abducted, yep.


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[Assistant] That he was gonna demonstrate why hitchhiking was so dangerous.


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[Assistant] I overtaught this one. You didn't put like a little extra icing on the cake. Nope. You destroyed two women's lives. Exactly. Yeah. He, so it's just insane. So Crowder is like,


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[Assistant] You need to call me if you get any information that comes in about two girls named Nancy Trotter and Pamela Wells. He was like, I need to know about it. He was like, what the fuck?


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[Assistant] So he was called when Sue and the trucker called the station, but he already knew that he was supposed to be looking for them. So when they called, he was like, okay, now we gotta go find them. And he went to talk to Sue and this truck driver.


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[Assistant] So he was like, okay, what happened? So Sue told him everything, or as much as she could, and said, Nancy's still out there. Like, we gotta go get her.


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[Assistant] So when he was driving by, he saw Nancy coming out of the river and he told her, I talked to Sue, like Sue's okay, your friend is okay.


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[Assistant] And he's like, I'm gonna keep you safe, I'm gonna keep both of you safe, you don't have to worry.


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[Assistant] And Nancy said, she was like, he was very kind and like very like comforting in that moment. Like I give, like he was a really good guy. Now luckily, uh, Schaeffer was immediately fired for this one. This was not one of those disciplinary things. He was charged with aggravated assaults, but they let him out on bond.


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[Assistant] For his trial, that wouldn't be for another six months. So he was out, on bond.


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[Assistant] He just abducted two women. Right and only got aggravated assault, like he molested her. Yep.


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[Assistant] So it was during this time that he met 17 year olds, Susan Place and Georgia Jessup.


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[Assistant] Susan Place went to high school, went to the high school that Gerard taught at, the Plantation High School. This is probably where he first saw her.


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[Assistant] She was blonde. She had blue eyes. She was sweet. She was kind. She was just like a cool girl. She was really independent. Uh, she was born with partial paralysis on her left side and she did suffer from epilepsy.


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[Assistant] But other than that, she like tried to live a normal life. She didn't let it get to her. High school was a little tough because of all of this. Remember, epilepsy was something people were like very shitty about back then. Like, even as recently as like in the 70s. They just didn't get it. They didn't understand what it was.


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[Assistant] Uh, she and her family were super close. She loved music, like loved it. She played a ton of instruments like piano, guitar. She could sing. She was just like really creative. Uh, when she was 17 years old, she ended up leaving high school and starting her education at an adult education center.


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[Assistant] She felt very accepted by him, very encouraged by him. He was a nice guy. He told her like, you can be great things. Like she felt like he got her. Now at the same adult education center was a girl named Georgia Jessup who was 16 years old at the time.


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[Assistant] Everyone describes her as a flower child. Love. Like you would have loved Georgia. Love. Uhm, she was called Crystal by everyone just because she liked being called Crystal because she was like crystals. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] She was that cool like 70's chick. Free spirit girl. She was beautiful, she had brownish red hair, again we have a blonde and a brunette or a redhead. Does he have a thing for like redheads too? I don't know. Huh. I don't know, but uhm, her mom described her in the book, uh, American Ripper as a rose in bloom.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she was really like into him, she really liked him, she thought he was so cool, and she ended up hiding a lot of stuff from her parents about him.


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[Assistant] Which was not something that she would do otherwise. Like they were finding out like she was kind of lying and like sneaking around a little bit and they were like this is just not like her. Well and he's older too so she probably felt like she had to. Exactly. Now every woman he brought into his web and made a victim of his


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[Assistant] They all shared something like, or most of them I should say, shared like they were emotionally going through something.


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[Assistant] It's like he picked people that were emotionally vulnerable. That was kind of his thing.


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[Assistant] Was he could, they were like in a state where he could easily overpower them in every way. Physically, emotionally, financially, mentally, everything.


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[Assistant] And this was no different. They were both kind of in a weird place in their lives. They had left high school. They're kind of like trying to figure out what they want to do. They were like, you know, it's the 70s. It's being 17. Everything sucks. And it's just like.


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[Assistant] You know, no one understands me, you know what I mean? It's just like, he knows that that's, 17 year olds are in that spot no matter what. Like that's almost their default position, so he knows that. That's why he preys on them.


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[Assistant] So Jerry eventually told Susan in Georgia that he was going to be going to Mexico and then he was going to go home to Colorado where he lived. He did not live there.


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[Assistant] And it makes me wonder because again, this is during that six month period that he was awaiting trial, that he was telling these girls this.


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[Assistant] You know, like, everybody's hitchhiking, everybody's going everywhere, like, you know, free love, let's go, like, let's do this. So these girls are like, fuck yeah, that sounds awesome.


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[Assistant] And again, they're a bit unsettled right now. So he's like, let's do this. They both wanted to go. They were both totally into it. They were like, we need some adventure in our lives. Let's get the hell out of here. So September 27th, 1972.


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[Assistant] Georgia at the time when she left, she was wearing blue jeans with like these brown leather patches on them. One was in the shape of an owl and one was in the shape, uh, it had like the road runner on it. Oh cool. Which was like super cool at the time.


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[Assistant] And she had left, Georgia had left a note for her parents, basically telling them that she was


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[Assistant] She had gone away for small periods of time before, like kind of took off for a little while and come back, but she always returned. Her parents knew she was kind of going through it a little bit. Yeah. They didn't like it, but they knew that she would come back.


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[Assistant] And they probably didn't want to press too hard and not come back. Exactly. And again, the seventies are just a different situation. And Susan actually told her mother Lucille, Lucille place that she was like, you know what? I want to go with this guy and with Georgia and we're going to have an adventure. Like she told her about it. She was like, this is what I want to do.


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[Assistant] Her mother was not happy about it. Lucille was like, I don't know about that, but she was like, you know what? She was turning 18. I felt like I should let her do this.


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[Assistant] She said she remembered Jerry and Georgia coming over that day, September 27th to get Susan and she spoke to them both. So she spoke to Jerry. She spoke to Georgia. She said,


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[Assistant] She got a weird feeling about Jerry. He wasn't like creepy, but she was like, I just got a vibe. It was just a mom vibe. And then there's all these reports that she said they had told her they were going to go away. They were going to go on an adventure, but she said, right now we're just going to go to the beach and play some guitar and hang out.


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[Assistant] So she says she watched his blue green Datsun that Jerry has. Who else has one of those? Oh, uh, another guy with a name kind of similar to Jerry. Could it be Gerard? Gerard Schaefer. She watched it pull away and she said she could see Susan take one last look at home before she went out of sight.


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[Assistant] So she gets this weird feeling about it, so she calls one of her friends and she's like, have you heard from her? Do you know where she could be? And the friend gave her the number of Georgia Jessup's mother, Shirley Jessup.


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[Assistant] And she was like, I know they were going to be hanging out with that guy, Jerry. So she calls Shirley.


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[Assistant] They connect and Shirley explained, you know, Georgia left us a note. She said she ran away and she was like, you know what, she, in the note, she said, sorry, I just have to find my head. So apparently she was feeling a little lost. And she's like, we were worried too, but like we didn't know what to do and we were hoping she would just come back.


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[Assistant] Hearing that Susan had not run away, but had like had told her mom what she was doing, but had not contacted her mother, Shirley was like, oh, that's concerning.


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[Assistant] So together, the two moms called the Oakland Parked Police, but Parked a Police Department and they reported the license plate number that Lucille wrote down and they reported the car and also said his name is Jerry Shepherd.


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[Assistant] Like really shit the bed. Basically these mothers were told it was hard because they're almost of age to leave home. But they're not yet, so let's not say that to me. So luckily after this, the Jessups and the places, all the moms and the dads, they kept in touch. They would drive around together looking for their daughters all together.


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[Assistant] They were investigating the case together. They were all doing this. They did the police's job for them at this point. Now remember,


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[Assistant] At this moment, he's out on bond. Right. He's out on bond. He's about to go on trial in November for literally abducting, assaulting, and attempting to torture and murder two teenage girls. And now he's literally awaiting trial with two teenage girls. Meanwhile, as all of this is happening, Gerard's trial was in November 1972.


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[Assistant] And at this time when the trial was happening, what was about to happen, Nancy Trotter and Sue Wells, the survivors, they decided to stay.


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[Assistant] Yup. Now, this is wild to me. During the trial, so when the trial finally happened, it was like a quick trial, the girls did testify, they did like fucking amazing. Did he show up to trial? He showed up. Oh.


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[Assistant] He showed up. Because remember, right now, all that, you know, all that the places and the Jessups know is this Jerry Shepard man. They don't know who Gerard Shaffer is. So Gerard Shaffer shows up.


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[Assistant] He didn't go anywhere. He's still around. So where are the girls? Yeah, exactly. So he shows up to his trial. He goes through the whole thing. The judge was Martin County circuit court judge, DC Smith. And he said to Schaefer in that courtroom,


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[Assistant] Are you ready? No, I'm not. I can tell by your facial expression and the furrow in your brow that I am not ready. He said, I don't want to embarrass you. I do. But I can't conceive how you were such an automatic jackass and a fool as you were. I think we all concur in that you were a thoughtless fool.


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[Assistant] I don't know if that's quite the words that I would use. I don't want to embarrass you. Thoughtless fool.


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[Assistant] It's wild. So Gerard told reporters outside the courtroom with a smile, cause he was always smiling. I bet he was. He said, I made a stupid mistake. There was no sex involved. No one got hurt.


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[Assistant] So, he ended up accepting a plea deal. And he only had to plead guilty to one charge of aggravated assault. And this meant that Gerard was sentenced to one year in jail with the possibility of parole after six months. And three years of


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[Assistant] But okay, justice system. Alrighty. Okay. Totally. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But this was in December that he was even officially sentenced. The trial began in November, remember? And he did start serving his sentence, but he started serving it January 15th, 1973. He was sentenced in December. Didn't start serving until January 15th. I never understand how that works. They just let him out.


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[Assistant] And they were last seen with Jerry Shepard, whose car, physical description, and home, later we find out, match fucking Gerard Shaffer. I gotta go. Nowadays, before he began his sentence on January 15th,


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[Assistant] Two more women went missing. Are you serious? Days before he went into jail. Cause you knew he was going away for a few months. Colette Marie Goodenough and Barbara Ann Wilcox were both 19 years old, one blonde, one brunette.


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[Assistant] They matched the profile. They were friends from Cedar Rapids, Iowa who were looking to hitchhike across the country from Iowa to Florida. They said they were gonna be staying with a friend. This friend was a male friend from college who they had met in Iowa, but this guy had lived in Florida.


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[Assistant] Interesting. He told them he was going back and they should come stay with him when they could in Florida. He was like, I'm going back to Florida, come stay with me. So they were like, cool, it'll be a fun road trip.


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[Assistant] So they stopped in Biloxi, Mississippi where they were staying with family on the way. And then sometime between January 8th and January 11th, so before he's in jail.


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[Assistant] They left again to hitchhike to Florida according to family members they were staying with. They said they, they left our house then.


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[Assistant] Now during this time before Colette and Barbara left Iowa in the fall of 1972, they were in Iowa before they left to go to Florida, Schaeffer admits he left the state unlawfully, well out on bond, on bonds. Wow. In the fall,


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[Assistant] Either right before or during his trial. Are you kidding me?


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[Assistant] I want you to, for like for her emotional issues, I want you to hold on to that because that does come back later.


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[Assistant] Collette and Barbara were close friends. They were like ready to set off on an adventure together.


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[Assistant] 100% the theory is that, I mean, he made phone calls from Cedar Rapids, Iowa to home. He was there. Yeah. During this time. Right. It was definitely, he was pretending to go to college.


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[Assistant] Sneeze of a sentence. Another horrific discovery was found that would later be linked to Gerard Schaeffer. Remember this six month period of time that he was allowed to troll around was really detrimental. He also did a ton of shit before this, but that time he definitely did some shit during this time.


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[Assistant] So in Plantation Florida, remember where he had worked as a teacher, where he had met some of the victims, in Plantation Florida, two workers were surveying an empty lot because they were going to be building condos there.


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[Assistant] One of these workers, James Christian, was surveying near a set of bushes and he just noticed something red in the bush.


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[Assistant] It was horrifically battered. The red he had seen were from a pair of hip hugger maroon pants that were not on the body but near it.


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[Assistant] The body's legs were spread apart and they were still wearing a red, white and blue t-shirt.


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[Assistant] Her hands were covered in so like, I guess they were like buried in the soil a little bit. Okay. Which made them weirdly preserved, like really well preserved. And there were several broken fingernails on her hands showing a lot of defense wounds that occurred. She had struggled. Yeah. Now somehow this got worse.


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[Assistant] So police were called to this scene. They closed it all off. They bring the body in for identification and an autopsy. And when they searched the scene with excavation tools, they found a pair of like young teenager girls underwear, the missing tooth from the skull and several fingernails, which were literally ripped off her hand.


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[Assistant] God, you also wonder what happens to the people that find these bodies like afterwards. I feel bad for those kind of people. I can't imagine. Cause they, nothing can prepare you for that. Nothing. Especially that. Brutal. Brutal.


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[Assistant] Now an autopsy showed that the shattered jaw was part of a blow to the head that was likely the one that killed her.


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[Assistant] She was a teenager, um, they said between the ages of what they thought was 16 to 22 approximately, and she had been dead likely somewhere between one and three months, maybe four at the most. Okay. She was brunette about five, five medium build. She remained unidentified at this time.


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[Assistant] One month later, February 15th, in the same exact lot, they were moving forward to build the condos because


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[Assistant] These bodies and their discoveries were covered a lot in the news, but no one was coming forward to identify either of them.


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[Assistant] A man named Anthony Briscolina was watching the news when a story came on and he immediately felt his heart drop. His daughter Mary Briscolina had run away in October 1972 months earlier and he had not heard from her since.


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[Assistant] She was only 14 years old, had brown hair and had left home with a pair of maroon hip huggers just like the ones found next to the body. 14 years old.


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[Assistant] And the reason that they estimated it was like between 16 and 22 was I think she was just like taller for her age and like resembled an older, a little older. He got her dental. So her father ran and got her dental records to bring to the Emmy.


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[Assistant] Now Mary's younger sister told investigators that she had seen Mary leave October 22nd, 1972 with Elsie. This was right before I remember his trial. Right before, the month before. And that they were running away.


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[Assistant] They together, they were going to run away. They had, they had been having some issues with that lately, taking off, hanging with a bad crowd, kind of like going, going through it. Yeah. She, now her little sister had tried to convince her to stay, but she watched Mary pack those maroon pants and leave with some boys.


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[Assistant] Her family life was really rough before staying with her half-sister. Her parents had literally just left her.


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[Assistant] Like left the house and kicked her out of it when she was 10 years old. She came home from school one day and they were just, that's it. Like you have no family.


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[Assistant] And it was her half-sister who brought her in and like took care of her. Yeah.


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[Assistant] October 24th, Linda said she and Elsie, uh, or Linda, her half sister said that she'd seen Elsie at the trailer they lived in with Mary, a boy named John Higgins and another boy named Russ Coleman.


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[Assistant] They were, uhm, they were in a guy named Bob Wyatt's car. And Bob was at one time dating Mary. So these were just all people who knew each other.


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[Assistant] Now Elsie, or uhm, excuse me, Linda, the half-sister, said she had left for an appointment, and when she came back, everyone was gone, and there was a note that Elsie had left saying she would be back later. But she never came back.


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[Assistant] So she and her husband Robert searched themselves for her and then immediately filed a police report. Nothing came of it.


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[Assistant] They now knew that the second body was that of Elsie Farmer, but they were nowhere near finding the killers. Or killer.


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[Assistant] We'll get back to this later. So right now, unidentified. And I'm sorry, both were decapitated? Both were decapitated. Okay.


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[Assistant] So at this point, Gerard is now, because now we've made it to his sentence, he is now in jail for the horrific crimes against Sue and Nancy, and police are still snoozing on any information about the missing Georgia and Susan.


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[Assistant] So, early 1973, Lucille Place, Susan's mom, called up a detective she had spoken to and she said, you know what?


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[Assistant] You're not doing anything, so I'm just going to investigate this myself. So she said send me everything you have. I called it. I'll do this. And they did.


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[Assistant] I love that they were just like, yeah, we aren't going to do shit, so here you go. Wow. What a bunch of fucking assholes. So now together, Susan and George's parents, not the police, ended up matching a letter Lucille found in Susan's room from Jerry Shepard to the address on the envelope, going to the address that was connected to the Datsun.


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[Assistant] And he said, yes, he drives that, that Datsun, that's his license plate, he lived here. But he told her, he knew Gerard, he said he's really strange, he's really belligerent, he like, and he says, he's actually a former police officer. And he was, they were like, what the fuck.


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[Assistant] And then he goes, yeah, but he's not anymore because he's actually in the sheriff's department jail being held on assault charges for two female hitchhikers. Right.


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[Assistant] And now he is possibly the man your daughter's left with months ago. I just like can't even. No. So the places and the Jessups are still doing the police's job. And after they learned that Gerard Schaeffer was actually the man who was likely Jerry Shepherd and that his landlord said he was in jail for assaulting two teenage girls, they went right to the jail.


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[Assistant] Where he was being held and they spoke to a sergeant there and they explain the situation and the places, uh, the places actually gave the Sergeant a photo of Susan and they said, you go back there and you show it to him.


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[Assistant] And you ask him if he knows this girl. So he went back there and he talked to him and he denied ever meeting Susan, but the cops came back and the sergeant was like, yeah, he's a bullshitter though. Like I don't believe him. Like he's a, he's an asshole and a compulsive liar.


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[Assistant] And they said like, they kinda showed the line up and they were like, is he in here? They were like, that is Jerry Shepard. She was like, he was in my house. I know that man, that is him. That is the man that left with my daughter that day and her daughter. But that's it. Nothing happened. The police were like, wow.


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[Assistant] And she was like, alright, I'm gonna get on this with you, like I'm gonna help you get this out there. Now, it wasn't until April 1st, 1973, a couple months later, that two bodies were found.


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[Assistant] So as, uh, Henderson wandered off to collect some more cans, he said he saw in the bushes, he saw like what he thought was clothing. And he said it was stained and ripped and strewn around everywhere. And he saw a pink blouse shirt, white underwear, black heels, and another pair of shoes that were blue.


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[Assistant] And he was nearing a tree seeing this and he said the smell was outrageous. But he said there was a nuclear plant nearby and he was like, I don't know if that's what makes this, something's weird.


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[Assistant] There were clouds of flies everywhere and he said he suddenly saw a part of a human body, but he said it was still tied to the base of a tree.


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[Assistant] As he backed away, he stumbled over his second body. It was also headless and the spine had been cut in two.


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[Assistant] This body still had a pair of jeans on and the jeans he noticed had a leather patch on it. One was a road runner patch and one was an owl.


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[Assistant] So she also told them, by the way, Gerard Schaeffer should definitely be a suspect here. Like, why are you guys not fucking looking into this? Like, why is everyone doing your jobs? Yeah, like the mom literally was able to identify him in the lineup.


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[Assistant] Now four days later, they were both identified by dental records as Georgia Jessup and Susan Place. April 7th, 1973 after the discovery of Susan Place and Georgia Jessup's murdered remains.


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[Assistant] A search warrant was executed at Schaeffer's mother's home since he is now a suspect. They hit the jackpots.


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[Assistant] Now, I'm not gonna list everything they got out of here. I'm telling you, go read the book. He has a complete list of every single thing they took from this house and it is...


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[Assistant] They also found a ton of weapons like machetes, several guns, several knives. They also found a bunch of photos of mutilated women. They found small bones that were clearly human. Then they went to, this was just at his mother's home, by the way.


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[Assistant] And it was in a room where he told everybody, don't you dare go in that room. So no one was allowed to go in that room in his mother's house. She's also like, uh, this is my house, Gerard. This is my house, buddy. But yeah, so then they did a search warrant on Schaeffer's home and they found a white pillowcase with stains on it, which would make sense later when you read some of his writings.


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[Assistant] Uh, they also found some more guns, they found a bunch of ammunition, they found cloths that had been ripped into sh- like little straps, like gags. They found human teeth in his house as well, a lot of teeth, a lot of gold fillings that had been extracted, a lot of photos of women's genitals.


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[Assistant] Like just random photos and a lot of photos of mutilated women, a lot of photos of him in sometimes wearing women's clothing and like quote unquote hanging, basically BTK-ing. Uh, there was also a seven page typed paper with, um, that was like handwritten too. Like it was like typed and then handwritten on the margins.


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[Assistant] Is so much descriptive awfulness in this and it tells about like how he felt. It tells about like the sexual pleasure he derived from this. It tells about murdering her, about mutilating her, about dumping her remains. There was also a five page handwritten, uh, letter.


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[Assistant] And it basically talked about, uhm, some unknown female who was wearing a white waitress dress, which will come back later, in the area of Powerline Road, which is a road that will also come back later.


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[Assistant] Very vile, very focused also all these descriptions like I said before on what happens after you die. Mmhm. Urination, defecation, all the awful stuff. They also found an envelope.


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[Assistant] And it said, can't help you with information you requested. And the letter that was attached was one they had sent back to Schaeffer and it was him asking for information about women being executed and wearing waterproof underwear during executions.


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[Assistant] There was another envelope addressed to him, um, and it was from Victoria, Australia, from 1971, and it contained 13 black and white photographs of nude women. 11 of them appeared to be in the middle of being hanged. One was decapitated. The fuck is this world? Yea. It's horrific shit.


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[Assistant] In May 1973, and there was more, there was even more, there was hundreds of pages of handwritten, what he said was fictional stories that he had written. Totally. About several abductions, tortures, mutilations, murders.


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[Assistant] It's a lot. Now, in May 1973, he was solidly charged with first degree murder in the cases of Susan Place and Georgia Jessup. Because after they found all that shit, they were like, well, I think you did it.


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[Assistant] Now that the trial was about to begin, these things were all over the news. Because of this, uhm, two investigators started speaking to a lot of people who suddenly felt like Gerard Schaeffer may have known their missing loved ones. Because now this is going everywhere and they're like, wait.


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[Assistant] I might have, they might have been around that guy. Like, I think I have a connection here. Right. And I have somebody who's missing. A guy named Raymond Cummings was a guy who was friends with John Higgins, who was Mary Briscolina's friend.


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[Assistant] Uh, she was the one who Elsie and her were last seen with. Now, John Higgins and Ray Cummings told investigators that they saw photos of Gerard Schaeffer on the news and they said, wait, we know him.


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[Assistant] But he said, but we know him as Gary Shepard. Mhm. Gary Shepard now. Oh yeah. Exactly like Jerry Shepard. Now Shepard had told these guys that he was an ex-police officer.


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[Assistant] They had been seen together on several occasions. Several people identified a photo of Gerard Shaffer as Gary Shepard.


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[Assistant] And now someone came forward to say that Mary and Elsie were also last seen getting into a car with Gary Shepard. Oh no.


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[Assistant] 100%. When all of this happened, Mary Brescalina's family were asked to see if any of the belongings found in Schaeffer's home and his mother's home belonged to Mary.


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[Assistant] One was a Madonna in cross metal. Another was a bracelet with 11 rose beads on it. And the third was a green glass pin and it was shaped by, it was either shaped like a dog or like a poodle or something like that. Okay. It was just very unique. It was like green glass. Right, like not something everybody would have on them. Yeah, he had her jewelry.


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[Assistant] Now Patrick Kendrick asked investigators why they never bought these murder cases, cases against Gerard. They were like, okay, well clearly he did this. Like you have all the information you need aside from a full blown confession. And so Patrick Kendrick was like, why did you not charge him? And the police were basically like, eh, he was going to prison already. So.


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[Assistant] Now a newspaper clipping telling of the girls, of the missing girls, Lee Haneline Bonadies and Carmen Halleck were also found among his possessions. Just a newspaper clipping about that. Oh yeah, just that. And there was also found in those belongings, just to tie this back to other ones.


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[Assistant] A story about a woman named Carmen. He had named the victim in his story Carmen.


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[Assistant] In the story, there's a woman wearing a black dress and black heels, which is what she was seen leaving in the evening that she went missing.


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[Assistant] And those things were not found in her home, those pieces of clothing. And he mentions something in this story about auburn hair, which she had. And auburn hair is not like, that's a very specific hair.


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[Assistant] And she had it. Now this story about this particular person is


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[Assistant] The description of her assault, torture, rape, murder, and mutilation is unlike anything your worst nightmares could conjure up. No. Like I write horror.


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[Assistant] This is something so beyond and so real, like it is so reality and it's so horrific that I can't even begin to, I can't even begin.


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[Assistant] And Patrick Kendrick has the entire thing of this particular story in the book.


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[Assistant] It's really bad, just to forewarn you, but again, read Patrick Hendrick's book. Either way, I don't want to scare anybody away from reading it. Cause again, he gives you a warning.


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[Assistant] But either way, there's literally a story about a woman named Carmen and a description of what she's wearing when the real Carmen Halleck went missing and the color of her hair. And he writes in this tale, quote, the lower jaw I buried and the rest of her skull with the face smashed in and the teeth pulled out, I put in another canal some 10 miles from the rest of the body.


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[Assistant] Two of the teeth found in his home were that of Carmen Hellick. And he never got tried for her murder? Nope.


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[Assistant] Well I just don't understand how they could not, why they wouldn't do anything. And as if this doesn't prove it, a man named John Dolan came forward to say that he had actually been Gerard Shaffer's roommate at one time, and John Dolan said he, John Dolan, had dated Carmen at one point.


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[Assistant] I don't know, because she, maybe because she was one of the first ones. Yeah. She was an early one. Okay. Like way, she was with Lee. Like that was one of the really early ones in 6970 that he was, I think.