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[Assistant] Uh, and the only thing that was left was Black Marsh in the Elnife Wars. So this is among other Elnife that, that I, I think they're re- I think, I interpret the Hist as real survivalists and that's all they really care about. The Argonians are there for means of sort of almost like,


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[Assistant] They're sometimes interpreted to be, I think they're a bit more of a mix in between, like they are a sentient race. They're very, very, very powerful, but they're not like this sort of God-like everything everywhere. It's, they, they still have to live within some physical, um, limitations.


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[Assistant] With the Anaxial attacking, which we can just sort of blend into attacking, uhm, Morrowind after the red year, like maybe that could be interpreted as a safe choice because it was a, well, easy thing to do, but they still got, they defeated, but my, I sort of like,


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[Assistant] You know, my explanation at least is like, well, why didn't they superpower up the, the Argonians who are about to invade Morrowind? Maybe they didn't, they still lost, but maybe, I'd like to think that, but maybe they, um,


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[Assistant] And I sort of think maybe it's not in his interest that the anexeal is far more an individualistic sort of patriotic kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then I was saying, so like it can be either thing, the, the sole reasoning or the don't want to draw attention to self, um, whatever as to why they don't spread and go elsewhere.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, so, I mean, we can start. I mean, is that everything on that? I feel like there's some interesting theories put out there. We can, uhm, with history, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like, because we talked about the Zandmer stuff, uhm, but broadly Argonian history is, there's some little tidbits here and there, but it's pretty much just being quiet in Black Marsh, get, you know, the outsides get conquered a little bit by some empires, like, nothing really grand, I think, uhm, happens.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the, anyway, so the biggest significant events, I guess, is, is there's that oblivion crisis thing. They fared really well against the oblivion crisis because they were all called back and they supposedly like, um,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the second thing is after, which, so really all of their big events happen really quickly, but the other thing is attacking, uhm, Morrowind after the red year. So the red year,


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[Assistant] Is where Red Mountain basically erupts, blows up, devastates Morrowind, got refugees flying and trying to get everywhere.


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[Assistant] And then Argonians go, well now looks like a good time to get revenge. So they get up and they basically wipe out.


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[Assistant] A lot of the Dashan, uh, plains region and, and house dresses holdings, which were their main slavers and probably bits of Telvanni and so on. But they got stopped at Mournhole, well they sacked Mournhole.


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[Assistant] Well, Mournhold's only just sort of below on the map, so it's sort of-


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[Assistant] So the interpretation, I think the general idea is that they got, they sacked Mournhold, devastated, but then House Redoran, um, whose territories are in the thing, rescued and pushed them back. And they continued to have problems with Argonians, like Argonians even went and just invaded.


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[Assistant] So uhm, what to call it? Solstheim. And they went and attacked Ravenrock. Uhm, and little, like raiders. So they, they, maybe there's bits of harassment and so on still going on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because uhm, the Thalmor haven't even got control of Somerset Isles by that point. You're looking another 15 years ahead or something or 17 years. I think the Thalmor coup of Somerset was 22.


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[Assistant] And the red year in the Argonian invasion is five. It's two, five or four. I think it's a, maybe, but it's a bit of a meme and also I black


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[Assistant] inside the Argonians into some big invasion of attacking of dark elves. Like the dark elves were already gonna be flowing in refugees because their whole land just got blow, you know, blown to ashes. Um, so you would already have done the refugees pouring out just because of red mountains. So I really don't.


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[Assistant] Uhm, gets given to the Dark Brotherhood, uh, gets trained from birth and given to the Dark Brotherhood to be an assassin, basically. Uhm, but this connection, and it's apparently, and it seems like, you know, like the King of Argonia or whatever the deal is there, but there are important people that, that encourage this decision. And it's interesting that,


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[Assistant] Scythus, you know, because they, like they, the Zandmer society stuff and the more contemporary understanding of Scythus, it's just a nice sort of connection now that really backs up the shadow scales and the reasoning for it. Because before, like while it was a cool idea in the times of Oblivion, it's cool, but it kind of seems a little like off the


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[Assistant] A little bit out of nowhere kind of like, oh, but now you can kind of rationalize it a bit more now that we know a lot more about their love for Sithus.


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[Assistant] My, my thing is before it's like, say, if anything, it's like, oh, they're saying like, I wasn't, uh, Argonians for me before ESO for sure were definitely lower, like lowest. Even now they're still not my favorite, favorite races, but they are a really good race. Like there's plenty of interesting stuff to go in there, but I just think.


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[Assistant] I stand by a hundred percent, I stand by Imperials even over the top, like their, their Imperials society and, and every, and their mythology and everything about them is to me more compelling than the Argonians. The Argonians have got the interesting like flavor of like the biology and so on.


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[Assistant] But yea, and it's nice, they've done a lot of work to, to, in Elder Scrolls Online to, to make them more interesting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. Uhm, I think that kind of like, I don't think there's anything else to say, but there are a few questions, some which might lead to some, uh, interesting discussions actually. So, uhm,


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[Assistant] Astable Rasta says quote from an ailed researcher about the Argonian people. This phili- physiology, I don't know how it's even alive.


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[Assistant] Maybe I'm putting on a tinfoil hat, but could Argonians just be simply physical constructs of the histomagical influence? Now I'm not sure where that's exactly sighted from. I think, I feel like it's a, like a ESO, maybe like a flashback or something, or maybe it's in a book or something like that. So we would have to like.


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[Assistant] Perhaps find that source, but let's just assume that it's all correct and so on.


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[Assistant] Um, that adds some, some interesting sort of take of that if you've got these sort of a lids, like maybe they're like, you know, cutting open an Argonian or something and analyzing it how.


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[Assistant] They don't understand how it's, like, the level of distinction is really big, and like, maybe the HIST's manipulation of it, like, I don't know, what do you guys think about that?


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[Assistant] Well, no, no, they are Argonians still, but the Blackwood company, they are Argonians.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jakey Rembrandt, are the Hist Daedric in nature? I remember in the Infernal City novel, the Argonian felt a connection to the trees in this pocket realm of the city. Could be, uh, could be remembering details wrong, but there was a forest he has to protect and lots of cryptic Daedric stuff going on. Cheers lads, love the podcasts. Thank you.


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[Assistant] So what do you think about the idea that like, so Umbriel, the big city that sort of spawned from Umbra, that the tree's there, that he felt the connection to it, though. Like he would, like a hist-like connection to...


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[Assistant] I think, I think it covers it. It's interesting. I think people, people could theorycraft a little bit more if they want to make it, if they want to make it seem like, oh, they're Daedric in nature. I don't think there is, because like, like, you know, the dealings with Molek Baal, they are, Hist are put on the same sort of level as like Elnife, like during the Elnife Wars.


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[Assistant] Destroyed a bunch of their land, they're left with Black Marsh as bystanders in the war. So they're not like...


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[Assistant] They're a sentient sort of race. They're closer to a race than sort of this big ethereal sort of...


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[Assistant] So inherently I feel like, because to be Daedric in nature anyway is to sort of be, you know, uh, in oblivion and not an ancestor or not related to creation. It's sort of a imitation or corruption of creation.


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[Assistant] Maybe whatever created the hist, sort of. Like, like, there's a question.


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[Assistant] But what do you, what do you think created the HIST there? Or do you think that they just always were? Well, cause like, okay, so there's the idea that they were from a previous calper and that they've been surviving like...


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[Assistant] You know, you know, you know what I mean? There's that idea, but if, if we sort of...


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[Assistant] Like, maybe imagine the first kalpa or something, cause there's even ideas of-


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[Assistant] You know, 12 Calpas or whatever, we weren't with, that could be an endless discussion, but let's sort of just get into the idea of what first sort of originates or creates the Hist. Because I don't, the way I see it, I don't think they're like God level, like they're not like fellow Adria. Maybe they're a type of like, uh, like the Earthbones kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Being present in the moment or so, like the, the hist kind of seem like they are in favor of stasis because they want to survive and, and not change form and they want to be protected. And this is Black Marsh and it's, it's the remnant of our last world and I want to keep it just the same. And so it's kind of interesting that, that they might recognize stasis and so on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like original Argonians, maybe, maybe what happened is that originally with the Argonian civilization that HIST did propagate ideas of


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[Assistant] A good question here to tie into, I guess, is my, um, from my wife left me, does the HIST actually care about the Argonians or are the HIST just using them to keep themselves safe?


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[Assistant] I'm on that side of it, I find them to be. And you know what? I would be all for an Argonian like, you know, trying to free themselves of the Hiss, which leads into another.


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[Assistant] Question by, uhm, Logos Indoril. Could an Argonian free itself from the Hist and what side effects would be present? Would their offspring be free from the influence of the Hist? Could they finally evolve further?


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[Assistant] What if they're just little lizards, like just actually like Hellstrom ancestor lizards until they have the sap?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's just like a little, well, not little, but four-legged lizard looking thing.


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[Assistant] They just needed an excuse for Argonian titties. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's funny that you'd think like, oh, you know, like here's my take on it. I don't think it was, cause you know, most people go, oh, you know, just to sexualize them or whatever. But like, I almost feel like it was oblivion laziness that they didn't want to like change all the armors to flatten them out for a, or something like that. Yeah, if you wanted to sexualize them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, well, that's all the questions that I got. I feel like we covered most of the other questions was everything else we covered.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know. I just- I think that's a good note to end off. Yeah, I just- I just don't- just don't- don't make them birds, please. Do not go with something- Nah, I'm- I'm-


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[Assistant] Frilled neck lizards, man, that would be a cool thing to like get some more of those bigger. I, that's one thing I missed in Skyrim. They, they had horns, they had feathers, but they got rid of all of the like spines and gill and fins looking things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because they were far more, like to me, if you were to say to me that uhm, in the lore, they go like, oh, it's harder, you know, they don't emote the same and they don't animate.


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[Assistant] Still Argonians in Arena dude. They look like a Dark Elf.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, Morrowind, I like, I actually like, like if you were going more with the raptory dinosaur-y look, like I like Morrowinds a little bit more, like at least, I guess the legs change it a lot, like just, what I'm just saying is try and make him look a little bit more alien, like I don't know, I wouldn't be as scared, I would be uncomfortable talking to an oblivion.


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[Assistant] I wouldn't be uncomfortable talking to a Skyrim Argonian, if that makes sense.


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[Assistant] I mean, you guys all had Dark Elf at the top of your list. Yea, we did.


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[Assistant] Yeah. So if we talk about Talos, we're not going to be going through Tiber Septim's full life story and how we conquer, you know, all of that stuff. It's more ascending to godhood slash being a god.


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[Assistant] I still consider him to be more of a Malakath than RK, even though, yea, even though there's a lot of crossover.


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[Assistant] Well, RK being the god of the cycle of life and death is generally pretty cool, but I think what sets RK apart is if you take into consideration his supposed ascension from being a mortal.


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[Assistant] He's a contender. I wouldn't put him in the top ten, but he's a contender.


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[Assistant] You can kind of associate that with their many forms as well, which is kind of cool.


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[Assistant] So I actually think the problem with Bandar is he's kind of overshadowed by other Khajiit unique gods. I prefer some of their others to Bandar.


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[Assistant] And given that he's described as the god of the sideways blade, there's no doubt he's involved heavily in like teaching them their kind of unique martial arts that separates them from other warrior cultures.


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[Assistant] Putting beauty and love at the, you know, at the forefront of your life and, you know, seeing the beauty in things and all that, that's, it's like, it is, it's good, but obviously I think people get a little bit carried away with it as well.


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[Assistant] Really? Yeah, I really like, even though there's only a small amount, well it's not that small, but I really like everything about Ebon arm, just the description of how he appears on the battle, so he's the god of war.


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[Assistant] Full suit of ebony armor, tower shield emblazoned with a red rose, tall bearded muscular with reddish blonde hair and steel blue eyes. It's just a very cool description and then they say that when he comes onto the battlefield like roses


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[Assistant] I mean, a simple thing about Ebonarm is I really like his connection with Sai, not just because he made him a god, but it's the idea that, you know, if you worship this god of war, and you're really brave on the battlefield, you could


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[Assistant] You could literally be rewarded with godhood. And the idea is that he's supposed to bestow luck upon brave soldiers and stuff in the future. So it's very much like...


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[Assistant] Not just combat, but very much battlefield related as well. Which is 100% combat.


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[Assistant] I think judging him is very similar to how we're gonna be able to judge Shazaar or Lorkhan is the idea of can you give them credit for their aspects or their, you know, their champions. Because I've got Hoonding quite high up because of Cyrus and Frandar.


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[Assistant] But I mean, we didn't rank Diagonal High. Well, I mean, Ebonarm is supposedly also an aspect of Hoonding. I think I've read that somewhere.


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[Assistant] There's, there's, there's not a whole lot there. Being the god of logic and wisdom can be kind of bland, even though the usage of, you know, his sphere can be really cool. It's just kind of...


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[Assistant] I mean, in the Khajiit Pantheon, they're described as being Fadami's stillborn children.


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[Assistant] Even from birth, they're not actually really doing anything. It's more how the other gods are interacting with them. So, you know, it's, it's Kanafi who keeps them on their tracks or whatever. And Azura uses the moons to make the moonsugar or whatever. So it's not so much the moons being interesting as the gods who interact with them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's kind of the same situation as Diagonal, where it sounds cool, but there's not much information. It's the goddess of aberrant swordsmanship, so kind of helping them find their own unique, uhm, way to fight. Uhm, and that's kind of all you really get.


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[Assistant] If Lorcan is like Steve Jobs, then Magnus is the other Steve, who no one remembers his last name, cause he's the architect of Mundus. But he's not really the create, like he's not the visionary guy, he's the guy who actually puts it together. And then you forget about him.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I agree she's cool, but also with Michael that it's not enough to get into the top ten. Same with DiBella, we're not gonna start simping. Question ha-


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[Assistant] Well, I think Mara is more of a maternal figure to non-Nords because she's kind of the mother god, whereas to the Nords, she can kind of be that more concubine wife type because, uhm, Kain kind of takes a more maternal role to them as the one who breathed them onto the throat of the world.


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[Assistant] We spoke to, uhm, slave Alicia before she rebelled.


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[Assistant] Well that like, he's, being the god of luck, he's got a lot of respon- like with great power, you know, comes great responsibility. So like, he spent too much time with his Nord wife. I don't know if it's necessarily a wife, but-


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[Assistant] I don't think ESO liked them very much. No, I don't know why. If I recall correctly, they're the ones that kind of try to retcon them out.


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[Assistant] It comes down to how we're going to rate them. Are we going to give them credit?


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[Assistant] So the horn are plenty, essentially.


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[Assistant] Drew is, is that your eyes lighting up? I like Trinamac. Do we all like Trinamac? Is he your top one? I know he's not. He's, he's top six. Okay.


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[Assistant] But number six sounds so reasonable. He's the enemy of Lorcan, like the idea of them, you know, the armies of elves and men in the early days fighting and then him, you know, kicking him down on the battlefield and ripping out Lorcan's heart on the battlefields. It's all pretty cool. And then obviously the convention.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so there's a lot of reasons why he's cool, you know, even if he's not the most powerful.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we know who you're talking about. Carry on or something? It began with C. It definitely begins with C. Sharon or something? Like C-H. C-I-R-O-N? Something like that.


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[Assistant] And a lot of it is kind of mysterious as well. Uhm, so you know, he's the god of secrets and hidden knowledge, so in many ways he's kind of similar to Himaeus Mora, and there's the idea that he served Himaeus Mora, and the thing that I really like about him is where it says, uhm,


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[Assistant] Well, I don't know if this will help sell you, or perhaps not at all, because it is kind of speculation, but him being the scribe, and, you know, he's like, large, yea, scribe of Oriel, and he's like largely responsible for the way the High Elves care about oldliness and purity. So, in a way,


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[Assistant] Um, if he is like an old Mary priest who ascended as some claim or whatever, it's like, he can kind of prove that they have a pathway back to godhood, the whole culture. So he's really impacting their culture if they believe he was once an Aldmer who ascended. You know, cause that means, oh shit, someone can do it, we can do it.


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[Assistant] But, uh, once again, this is kind of commonplace for me, is that having the mystery where I can kind of fill in the gaps myself helps me love a god, or love a character. So like, part of it is me filling it in.


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[Assistant] The, the nature god, the forest god, those kind of gods are my favourite in real world mythology as well. You know, like I, I love Curninoss, the horned god from Celtic mythology and things like that and, and how kind of


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[Assistant] You've got her and the hunter in England and things like that. But yeah, the idea that he's a storyteller and he kind of sings and tells everything into existence and


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[Assistant] I wrote a little bit down. It was like, he created the green. So he shaped it with songs and stories. He taught the birds to sing and the waves to lap against the shores. Things like that. I just find it's really nice and it kind of, yeah, makes Valen Wood really cool.


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[Assistant] So just to clarify though, he's my favorite god, but he's my number two.


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[Assistant] No, he's alright. Like, the, the Xenophar of the Imperials is like, you know, the god of labor and commerce, the idea that you can reach happiness through hard work. It's cool, but nothing too special. I mean, I think you guys know a bit more about Xen than I do.


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[Assistant] I know it's different. It means we can't give Lorcan credit for Pelinal.


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[Assistant] Really toss Fridgey into the side. I had him at number 9, so it's not terrible.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it can probably be summarized. Pretty, pretty well.


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[Assistant] I'm happy to have Mami Mara in the top 10, but maybe at 10?


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[Assistant] Do you want me to just read mine? I think top one is undisputed. I think it should be. Can we all agree Kinareth is number one? No, no, no, oh sorry. No, I mean someone else is the undisputed number one.


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[Assistant] Okay, fine. You're saying that Ephraim wouldn't be in the top two? No.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think so. Cause I mean, it encompasses Oriel and Alduin as well.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to decide between Xarxes and Ebonarm, but I think so, maybe Xarxes 10, Ebonarm 9.


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[Assistant] No, well, I'm actually happy to have Xarxes 10, Ebonarm 9. Yep, okay. Trinamacon and Ifrah, I'd still want to talk about a little more. Okay, I can- Look, I- Before we swap them.


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[Assistant] You then have all the Khajiit stuff as well, so the idea that, you know, he formed it, uhm, so Azura got to make her children, and when, and then it was Ifra who told Nerni about this, so then Nerni gave Ifra the ability to create the forest people, so that's why the forest people have always had the problems with the Khajiit.


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[Assistant] And all of that stuff as well. True. I mean, he's, he's, he's got like,


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[Assistant] Obviously we can't give Trinimac any credit for everything that comes after the consumption, cause that's just Malacath. It's not part of the same deity anymore.


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[Assistant] See, I would put, uhm, I'd put Mara next, personally. But obviously, like, I've had some of the more out there takes. So I would put Ifra ahead of Mara and Stendarr at 6, personally.


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[Assistant] Yeah, let's go Mara and then Ifrit above Mara and then stand our next.


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[Assistant] See, I, that's kind of shocking to me, cause I, I like, I, I think, I think Kinnareff is, is awesome. There's so much cool lore about her, but everything, everything comes down to Lorkhan.


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[Assistant] To me, to me, you just accidentally sold Lorcan, because you're talking about how he's dead, but even in death, he's contributed to more cool stories and lore than anyone else. His heart alone has created the most cool stuff.


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[Assistant] My interpretation of that is a more practical one, in that the Nords chose to credit, uhm, Kain for the Fum, whereas the reality is, the dragons just get, like, Parthenax-defected, for whatever reason, whether it be Kain's influence, and simply taught them their language, like anyone teaching a language.


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[Assistant] That- that's the way I interpret it, more than- cause it- it does kind of sound like the Nord said that through Parfenac's kind did this, but it's like, well, there's no proof of that as well, but- Yeah, it's just the two different-


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[Assistant] Canoffi's also great in the sense that to the Khajiit she kind of like, uh, carries them up to the sounds behind the stars.


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[Assistant] I hate to like, devalue your argument, but at the end of the day, I feel like we're having this conversation because of Lorcan. Everything exists the way it does because of him, and the reason Panariff has her role is because of Lorcan's tricks.


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[Assistant] But I'm not going to argue that the concept of time is the coolest, whereas I think his trick, his deceiving of all the other original spirits, you know, the, the, the spirits of aetherius to create the mundus is inherently cooler than time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's- it's gonna come down to you. The doom drum. Come on, that's-


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[Assistant] I actually think, oh go on, if you don't want to say about Kunafi. No, no, cause mine is like a final thought on the situation. The final hammer in the nail.


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[Assistant] Okay, well while you do that, I think Michael, if you don't want to be the one to decide, I don't know if this is- I didn't decide. Okay, well, what we could also do on the side is maybe it's worth having pin comments for each god. I know people will have their own opinion on who's number one, but maybe we can get some help on deciding who's better out of Lorcan. Yeah, I think-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I thought, to be honest, I thought Lorcan would win by a landslide for all of us.


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[Assistant] I think it's just to me, being dead means nothing when it comes to the aedra, because they're so disconnected anyway. Like, all of them are incredibly disconnected, and it's kind of, you can say, oh, you know, they're actively doing this. But even if they were dead, and it was still, like, their power was still having an effect on the world, the difference isn't really important to me.


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[Assistant] If anything, it's cooler that, you know, the corpse of him and the still beating heart. I mean,


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[Assistant] I don't know what's happened to the heart now, technically, but so long as it's still beating, he can't really be a dead god.


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[Assistant] Look, I think, I think it's gonna have to, like, we can agree, but at the same time I think it will come down to which comment has the most likes.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna jump straight in and say even though there's some cool stuff to talk about with all of them, and that is an important thing, like they're all very cool, but I think we can safely put Perryite into the bottom tier.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I really like periart. Like I think periart is cool, but mostly when I look at periart, I think of potential. Like I think periart, especially being so unexplored has a lot of potential to be one of the coolest or a cooler one.


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[Assistant] But as it stands, like all we have to go off is what we know in the lore, what we've seen happen, the experiences we've had. And I just don't think there's enough content.


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[Assistant] Out of periart, which is part of the reason why periart's interesting is because he kind of works in the background anyway. You know, keeping things in natural order and wiping things out with disease if need be.


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[Assistant] Uhm, kinda goes against Jigglelag's idea of determinism though, because if it's really the natural order, you shouldn't have to do anything, if you know what I mean. Like if natural order is just cause and effect.


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[Assistant] Well, I think it's also worth saying at least he has that title taskmaster, which is interesting. Like he deals with all of the more, actually, I guess it's kind of boring. All of the more menial, uh, plane of oblivion tasks that the other Daedra don't deal with. You know, he keeps things running. Yeah. What is that? Like, uh, I don't know. He's front desk or something more clerical.


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[Assistant] No, I think worshipping Jigalag is a terrible idea. You basically, I believe, lose free will in the way that, you know, it's commonly understood. So you end up just as a mindless knight of order, I guess.


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[Assistant] I 100% agree. If anything, that could be one of the factors we talk about later as to why Shea Gorath will rank highly. I mean, I can already see that meme, like, the virgin Jiggalag and the Chad Shea Gorath and on Jiggalag's side, it's like, tries to invade, always fails, like.


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[Assistant] Well, the thing is as well is that in-game and it's kind of annoying is that the voice actors pronounce different things differently. So you'll often have people like, oh, you're saying it wrong because they heard one character say it, but then another character will say it completely differently in the same game. Don't even get me started on Elder Scrolls Online.


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[Assistant] Especially when it's Azura too, like a really, someone who should know how to say it. And Azura comes out and says, the Nerevarine, and I'm like,


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[Assistant] They're all interesting, like people will listen and they'll be like, what's the good Daedra? What's the boring Daedra? Like they're all cool. Uh, but I feel like for me, at least the mirror would be in the lower end of things just because yeah, it's like disease and, and well, not the gross stuff and slugs and cannibalism.


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[Assistant] Oh, for sure, for sure. I mean Sanguine's really interesting through the eyes of the Khajiit as well. Like in small, nuanced ways. So I totally get what you're saying.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. Just quickly, the reason you don't remember Namira in Morrowind is she didn't actually appear in Morrowind. Aside from being mentioned in books and some NPC dialogue. At least that's what I'm reading now, because I couldn't remember it either. I'm like, what was Namira's quest?


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[Assistant] In, um, in Morrowind. And it says, yeah, Namira, who was one of the Daedric Princes who did not appear in Morrowind. So that's why.


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[Assistant] And that's one of the reasons I think I remember Zarek saying he hates her and says, you know, he's not a fan of her because he considers her kind of not too moral. And another interesting thing I wanted to say about Meridia was actually how she's all about the light.


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[Assistant] You know, like with Dawnbreaker and, and people say she's obsessed with the light of aetherius cause this is what she was kind of cast out from when she became a Daedra.


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[Assistant] You know, I made a tier list before coming on the podcast and so far it is exactly my tier list. Like these are exactly the ones I've got. I split it into four tiers, but I mean, you know, yeah, this is in all in tier four so far.


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[Assistant] I mean, there's, there's, it's also worth just reclarifying that this list isn't necessarily the most powerful. It's, it's also like the coolest, or like, you know, the ones that, that really, uh.


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[Assistant] I mean, something I really do like about Malekath is that some consider him kind of like a daedra for mortals.


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[Assistant] You know, like a anti-Dedra, Daedra? And you can see that with the weapon Scourge. Because this banishes any Daedra that you hit it with. So Scourge is like a, I guess a mace. Forged with...


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[Assistant] Think sacred ebony, uhm, in the fires of fickle dire, but I'm not sure if fickle dire was ever explained.


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[Assistant] And, and similarly to Peria at Malacath has Volendrong, so another dwarven kind of ancient artifact, which is cool, but it also, especially in Skyrim, doesn't look particularly dwarven.


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[Assistant] Are we even in bottom tier? We've already got five.


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[Assistant] Cause he was like an artist and she sent him all these nightmares, right? To make him create all this like messed up stuff.


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[Assistant] I think it was, uhm, myths of Sheogorath, perhaps?


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[Assistant] Actually, just before we get into middle tier, I have one thing to say, and it was what I wanted to say before about the Khajiit and Sanguine. And I just like how, according to the writings, Sanguine's not evil by nature, but his fear distracts Khajiit from the path.


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[Assistant] And like kind of seeks them to urge, like to, to follow their urges and pleasure without purpose. And I just like that little nuance of how, because you know how the Khajiit are all into their moon sugar and stuff.


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[Assistant] So for this danger, it's kind of like, oh, he's not like really bad. He's just a distraction.


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[Assistant] I just found that really interesting. But yes, mid tier. Mid tier I'm gonna chuck in... I would probably put Nocturnal. In mid tier.


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[Assistant] I personally put Azura at the top of the good Daedra. Of those three, Azura is probably my favorite.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if anything, I would actually put Mephala at the bottom of the three. For me, it goes Azura Boethia Mephala.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Barbas kind of is him. Like they're kind of two sides of the same coin so to speak. Which I find really cool.


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[Assistant] Should I also just say, and I don't know if this is in the lore or not, just off the top of my head, but today I was actually looking at Umbra, the sword, right? And it's a really cool black sword. And then it's like, Oh, it was designed with the sole purpose of the entrapment of souls. And then I'm like, it's kind of just like a giant warped black soul gem. If you wanted to look at it like that.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that's canon, um, it's just what came to my head when I looked at it today. I was like, oh, hang on. That would make sense.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you get the winter sun mod for Skyrim, I highly recommend getting it. You can actually, if you worship him, you get all these different packs that you can kind of pick as challenges that might be like, murder five people within one hour and stuff like that, which I think is really cool. I also just wanted to say, cause it did sound right, but wrong at the same time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he's, uh, the, he's Daedra, the Scarfen, cause Scott, you said Skaldarfen, and I'm like, yeah, that's a, that's an Elder Scrolls thing, and I'm like, wait, that's where you go to with Odoving, right? Flying on his back. You probably said it cause I said it to you the other day.


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[Assistant] But yea, I do remember him being involved with vampires, in Cyrodiil specifically. Or perhaps it was just a theory people had and it got stuck in my head. Hold on, no no no.


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[Assistant] It's funny, I actually had him in part of my top tier originally. For all the reasons we've just said, I just personally think he's really cool. I mean, we're allowed to disagree. I would place him, I mean, I would place him above Nocturnal.


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[Assistant] Especially some of the more, like, interesting concepts about the skeleton key.


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[Assistant] Unlocking not just doors, but places to like other realms. So like in theory, if you were super powerful, you could use the skeleton key to do kind of Mankar Cameron type stuff. Like if you were super powerful, like unlock doors to special realms and unlock. They also, there's also this concept of like unlocking your inner potential as corny as that sounds.


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[Assistant] And getting like powers and stuff like that as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and she grants some good luck as well, which is interesting, you know, like luck as a concept.


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[Assistant] Thumbnails. And the cowl of nocturnal, which we all know is a super, super cool thing. And the bow of shadows, if you remember, from Morrowind, making you invisible and having increased speed and stuff like that. And that bow has gone between a few different characters.


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[Assistant] Throughout the Elder Scrolls timeline, I believe that Dram is one of them.


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[Assistant] It's very contained and not super deep, I guess, for lack of better words.


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[Assistant] It kind of reminds me that, uh, the story between Shagorath and Hircine has Hircine, like they have a battle I think of beasts and Hircine has like a big, I think it's a weird daydraught.


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[Assistant] And Shagorath just makes this bird, which just flies around dodging all the attacks and chirping basically makes it kill itself. Right. One, one thing that is just a theory about that, which I find really cool is there's this artifact called the Spear of Bitter Mercy.


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[Assistant] And people say it's forged by Mehrunes Dagon. Some people say it's the signature, um, weapon of her scene. But interestingly, I believe in Morrowind you can get it from a Shaya Gorath quest, kind of hinting that perhaps he won the artifact from her scene in that bet.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. I just heard the theory and I thought it was cool. Like I just think it's one of those things worth mentioning. Like if they had a bet, often like, you know, usually with bets, there's something to win.


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[Assistant] So yea, like the Ogmere Infinium is super cool. Like all the black book powers are super cool. The concept that he doesn't actually create really any knowledge. He just kind of steals it all and hoards it for himself.


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[Assistant] And, you know, you can go to his realm and unlock all these different secrets so much as you don't go insane. He's also a connoisseur of Japanese media.


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[Assistant] I mean, Boethiah does have a golden katana, which is, uh, pretty cool. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] There's also Fearstruck which was this shield that you hardly know anything about.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we know, I think it was destroyed, uh, it was like Lyricius's shield destroyed or melted instantly when fighting a dragon or something. And then he convinced the dragon like to let him polish one of the scales it couldn't reach and then like stabbed it.


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[Assistant] I mean, as the listeners can tell, there is a ton of lore with the three good Daedra of the Dunmer. There's just a lot of stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, the good old Luna Lettuce. Every time I read that, that's what I read.


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[Assistant] Oh, there's, there's heaps of stuff there with like the Daedra and different interpretations. 100%.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna chuck Boethiah in the middle tier.


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[Assistant] Can I, can I have a super subjective one, which you guys will, will do a good job of saying how cool he is, but for me subjectively in terms of, you know, what gets me going, I find Moloch Baal to be middle tier. Even though there's like all the interesting stuff, I just.


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[Assistant] I find him a little bit, probably because of Elder Scrolls Online, but a bit typical, like I'm evil, I dominate, I'm bad, I'm here with my dark anchors and my necromancer helpers.


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[Assistant] But more like Baal is still pretty cool, like there is a ton of info, especially because of Elder Scrolls Online added.


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[Assistant] And that differs to Mehrunes Dagon, uh, because if you really dive into Mehrunes Dagon being about revolution and change, him invading in the oblivion crisis changed everything. So in a way, even though he lost, he actually kinda won.


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[Assistant] Uh, which compared to Mo like Bao, you can't say the same thing because Mo like Bao wanted to win, to dominate, to be in control. Like it's kind of a different theme.


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[Assistant] Yeah, especially when you can sell me on Mafala better than I can sell myself.


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[Assistant] So that's why I, I agree after hearing, cause there's parts you forget, like especially when you talk about like Vivec and stuff, it gets, it gets more interesting.


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[Assistant] Well, let's start with Meirin's Dagon. That's a, that's a top tier kind of one.


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[Assistant] Three dimensional, so that's what I meant. And he has all these really cool artifacts as well, like besides Mehrunes Razor, there's things like the Daedric Crescent.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the spear of bit of mercy, depending on who you listen to, but there's also, uh, the sword of the moon reaver, which was actually given to his bodyguard and also kind of his lover. He took one of the dark seduces as his lover.


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[Assistant] You know, the fact that he has all these memes is because he's good, not people think he's good because of the memes. If that makes sense, like it all started in the fact that he's a very captivating character. And to be fair as well, his realm kind of is him.


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[Assistant] And when, when we're, when we're ranking all of the other Daedra on this list, we're not saying, oh, you know, I think, uh, Malekath is a really interesting individual, but I don't know about the rest of it. Like it's always looking at.


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[Assistant] Because they don't have particularly interesting personalities, they often just have a big reverb voice coming out of a statue.


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[Assistant] 100%, for me I would rank him at the absolute top because of his realm.


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[Assistant] Because of the shivering aisles and everything in it, it's all subjective. That's why I would chuck him up the top. I also love all of his, uh, artifacts and stuff. Not necessarily like one in particular, but just that he has a bunch. Like it's not just Wabberjack, the random staff.


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[Assistant] But there's also like, I mean yea, the fork of horopalation. But there's also the, um, folium dyscognitum.


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[Assistant] Which is like another Daedric artifact tome with like words in it that move around when you try and look at them. So it's like basically incomprehensible, but if you can figure it out, like you get like power and stuff like that. Um, there's the stuff of the Everskamp is kind of just like a troll artifact, I guess.


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[Assistant] I just find Azura super wholesome and interesting and I really like the whole idea that's mixed in that you don't often hear about but of vanity.


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[Assistant] And how, and how kind of Azura's even been said to like kind of bewitch some of her followers into loving her so much and that that's kind of, not that she's like, well, I guess you could say insecure, but like she has a big ego and rewards worshipers who play into her ego and stuff.


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[Assistant] You're cool. There's an argument there. It's more like, I guess her concept is not top tier, if that makes sense. Like just her theme and vibe doesn't jump out as super amazing. It's all of the little stuff and the stories and that.


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[Assistant] I mean, I can vibe that. I mean, we don't want to be simps. We're not tricked by her in doubt.


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, maybe we can put Azura in the top tier, but like, at the bottom of the top tier. Like, so there's six in the top tier now. Do- do you know how I-


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[Assistant] It's funny because to me, I just can't, she just doesn't click with me. Like I can't say that, oh, I like Mafala a lot more than Boethiah and Azura.


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[Assistant] I can't have her top tier and have the other two middle tier.


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[Assistant] I know what you mean, like the kind of darker parts of society that help things run. It's kind of like the, I don't know if anyone listening has seen Big Mouth, but it's like the shame wizard.


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's like, it's like this concept that keeps things, you know, running smoothly because without that kind of guilt, I suppose people would do all kinds of chaotic things.


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[Assistant] Okay, okay, so I think top tier then, if we had a top four, we could put Shaya Gorath, Ameus Mora, Mehrunes Dagon, and Mephala in it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I know. Which, which would you rank the second and third? If we were to rank- Oh, are we just not going to? I guess let's just have some personal rankings. I would probably put Shayagora.


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[Assistant] First, then if I had to pick between, yes, suck it, a mean value. And then second and third.


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[Assistant] I can't help but put Meirin's Dagon second. I know it feels so typical, but I just really like the Mythic Dawn. And then I'm going to put Himaeus Mora third. What about you, Drew?


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[Assistant] Right, and what, what would you put first if it was, cause we are doing the coolest, what's coolest to you first, number one.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I'm going to read my list from top to bottom to finish up, and this is


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[Assistant] It's always subject to change. Like I've made lists like this before. Someone will comment below. Actually, how could you think this one's cooler than this one? I would put this one above this one for sure. And I would read it and just be like, yeah, I agree. But so far, the piece of paper in front of me, Shaya Gorath, Mehrunes Dagon, Himaeus Mora, The Good Daedra.


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[Assistant] Then middle tier, Clavicus Vile, Nocturnal, Hircine, and Molag Bao. Bottom tier, Sanguine, Vamina, Nymera, Malacath, Meridia, Peria, and Gigalag.


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[Assistant] If you reflect on it though, it's also kind of a boring realm in, just in the sense that it is just typical. If you, if you know what I mean, you would never say it's like, oh, that's a really unique demon realm. It's, it's, it is the demon realm. It's fire and demons and rah, but you always take


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[Assistant] I have Mehrunes Dagon as a close second, like you can, you can, it's only because the Shivering Isles realm, if you just looked at them as individuals, I would agree with Mehrunes Dagon and the concept of Dagon in general. It's only because


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[Assistant] Shay Agorath has the Shivering Isles realm, which is part of him and everything in it's super interesting and how his interactions with Jiggalag is making me put him at the top.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I like the fact that, uh, different people in Cyrodiil when you're playing Oblivion can secretly be Mehrunes Dagon followers and that they'll actually summon the Mythic Dawn armor set if you attack them in the middle of Skingrad, for example, or you're hostile, they'll just chuck it on.


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[Assistant] I think my- Sanguine, Vamina, Nomira, Malacath, Meridia, Peri-ite or Jiggalag.


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[Assistant] This sounds like such a meme cause it's been the joke, but I would almost say Perry. Just team me out. I'm convincing.


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[Assistant] Just from a perspective of, I want to see him explored. I want to find out more about the taskmaster aspect of his kind of sphere. Uh, and I want to see into, you know, kind of just more about him.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of Daedric artifacts, like when you actually go and compile a list, there is a huge amount. So what we kind of want to do at the start is first I'm going to set up some parameters and then we're just going to go on like a massive disqualification spree, basically.


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[Assistant] So parameters being the Daedric Artifacts have to be something that Daedric Princes are kind of known to claim, like it's their artifact. It's not just going to be anything from a Daedric realm is a Daedric artifact. So in the case of the Shivering Isles is kind of the obvious one. Things like Nerve Shadow and Rings of Lordship and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Is it on the list? Cause we don't want to be like, well technically every gromite weapon, every gromite dagger is a Daedric artifact. You know?


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[Assistant] Uh, it's also important to acknowledge that the Daedric artifacts do have different powers depending on the user and it can kind of change in appearance and power over time. Um, but we're kind of just looking at it as a whole, like all the manifestations of their powers that we've seen, um, throughout the Elder Scrolls timeline.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. Although, as I found when I was making it, I don't know about you two, but power definitely makes a Daedric artifact cooler, so a lot of the tough ones, uh, do tend to be.


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[Assistant] You two speak up if any of these, um, are in your like top 10 kind of list that you've made, okay? So we have the bitter cup.


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[Assistant] Which is like a cup of clavicus vial that can grant the user power. Uhm, it's cool, but I don't think it's particularly interesting. I think it makes you really good at what you're good at and bad at what you're bad at.


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[Assistant] At least from a gameplay perspective. Uhm, there's Fearstruck, which is the shield, uhm, given to Lyricius by Boethia, which was just instantly melted by dragons, so I don't think I'd rank it that highly.


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[Assistant] There's also the folium discognitum, which is cool. It's like Shea Gorath's tome, but it is also just like the ramblings of a madman.


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[Assistant] It's supposedly really powerful, like mages have really wanted it.


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[Assistant] The writing kind of moves as you try to look at it. You know, when you get a floater in your eye and you just try and look into the book of dyslexics, it's like, yeah, exactly. Then we have the memory wand, which is just a shared growth wand, which manipulates memories. Nothing special. The Mortem Vivicus, which is just an elder scrolls online more like bow.


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[Assistant] Orb weapon thing, nothing special. Obsidian Hask.


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[Assistant] I dunno, give you shadow powers and stuff like that. Uhm, the Orb of Veemina, which is just like a scrying stone thing from a quest.


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[Assistant] Uh, prismatic core, another like weapon based thing. Uh, the spear of the hunter, which is one of her seen spears, but I just think it gets overshadowed by the spear of bit of mercy. It's just like a less cool spear that's like whatever.


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[Assistant] The Sword of the Moon Reaver, which was used to defeat Dagon and was owned by his like paramour and bodyguard Mazkan, but it's just a really boring looking sword. And the Totems of Hercene, which is the totems you collect in the companion storyline.


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[Assistant] Interesting, definitely not top 10 material. Yep. Okay.


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[Assistant] Now we move into a pile that I've designated as maybe. Uhm, but they're still nah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, I'll try and bang through him real quick. So we got the Bow of Shadows, which makes you invisible and it's a bow from Nocturnal. The Deadland Hammer, which is like Mehrune's hammer, but it doesn't really do anything that crazy.


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[Assistant] It's got a nice story, but it's not going to be top 10. Uh, the Moonlight Blade, which is cool. It's like a sickle of Azura's that can like kind of be used to access like, like cut through barriers and stuff. And I like sickles, but again, not top 10. Ring of Hircine and the Ring of Namira. Any of you two have them in top 10?


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[Assistant] Nah. They're cool, and I think in Daggerfall, the Ring of Nomura just reflects all damage. Yeah, in Oblivion, it reflects...


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[Assistant] It was just, it was pretty cool. Anyway, so then, and Ring of Herseyn is nothing special, although I think in Blood Boon it actually is what lets you transform to a werewolf just by using it. I had the Rufal Axe in the maybe pile as well, it just looks cool, but it's, I think part of the thing is it's really weak.


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[Assistant] Is a shadowy battleaxe or claymore from the Shivering Isles, but again, not particularly interesting. And I think, I don't know Drew, the Sword of Jiggalag. Nah.


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[Assistant] Not, okay. The Sword of Gigalag was definitely


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[Assistant] Interesting, but I guess it was in the maybe pile because it has this enchantment supposedly that allows those that gaze upon its edge to see the past, present and future flow as one. Which is cool, but again, I'm not gonna rank something on one sentence. Which brings us to the top 10.


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[Assistant] If it's a really good sentence. Okay, okay. Alright, so, what did you two think of Azura's star? I'll let you two talk because I've been talking too much.


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[Assistant] I mean, we were talking about this the other day, Scott, and I did a full 180. Azura's star is in my top 10. Right. Top 10 danger- I just- I just think there's some interesting stories, like in Morrowind, pretty sure you hold the soul of- it holds the soul of living gods, right? Vivek and Almalexia?


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[Assistant] And then consumed in a ritual performed by Martin Septim. At least that's like the canon option. Yeah. To kind of like, open the portal to Mankar Cameron's paradise. Well that's yeah, the default option. Yeah, the default. Which I imagine is canon.


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[Assistant] And then there's the whole story in Skyrim where, you know, someone uses this artifact to basically go inside of it, right? But then in a way you've kind of become like immortal because you're just stuck in this like void like realm forever kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, kind of being stuck in an asylum for immortality.


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[Assistant] Yeah, at least that's my interpretation of it. It's interesting and sought by all different kinds of people and Azura's cool. I dunno.


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[Assistant] Anyway, we'll move on, but just know that's, that's in my heart.


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[Assistant] Alright, we also have another one in my top 10, I can say now, and that's the black books of Hemeus Mori.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean that's, I can say that now, we can just talk Ogma Infinium, same thing, you know, it's this book that can give you powers, and I said powers really weird, powers and it can drive you a bit nuts if you can't handle it.


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[Assistant] And I also like, speaking of the Mysterium Xarxes, uhm, that back when gaming was less digital, you know, I went to the shop and I bought Oblivion, which came in the box, but basically it looked like the Mysterium Xarxes. That's what the cover of Oblivion is.


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[Assistant] A lot of people don't realize that. It's kind of one of those things where it's like, I can't believe I just figured that out today.


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[Assistant] Uhm, anyway, next up we have the Daedric Crescent, which is actually multiple of the Daedric Crescents. They're like a giant, like,


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[Assistant] Crescent, I guess. With a handle in the middle, but you hold it two-handed.


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[Assistant] I do like that it damages armor and also does paralysis. It's a really interesting combination. I know what you're getting at as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, fair. But, um, but yeah. Now we're going to go to a controversial one. Drew, do you have Dawnbreaker as number one?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and her obsession with light as well, like based on the fact that she was kind of designated to a Daedric realm after being like one of the Magnege, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, it's cool. And also the effect when you kill undead and they explode for more damage is pretty based. I had, I actually had Dawnbreaker as number 10 for me.


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[Assistant] And I'll also just say, I had the black books as number four.


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[Assistant] And we also talked about Azura's star. I have Azura's star at number five. Okay. I just, I just, what I explained, I just really like.


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[Assistant] Uh, well we've knocked out the uhm, oh the day you had it. I did have it there. So nothing. So nothing. Alright, well let's keep going. Nothing. And, uh, EbonyBlade is in my top 10. Same. As number 8. I had it as number 7.


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[Assistant] The thing I like about it as well is that Mephala can whisper through it. Like that's cool. Like it's not just, oh, I'm, I'm being corrupted by the ebony blade because the more I betray people with it, the more powerful it gets.


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[Assistant] You've also kind of got the devil on your shoulder in a sense, like you have him while whispering through the blade and it slowly corrupts your mind.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it may move up the list, but anyway, so then we move on to Ebony Mail, which honestly,


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[Assistant] It's really aesthetic. It's funny though, cause things get subjective cause we'll be like, oh, it's really aesthetic, but no, no, no, no, no. See, I'd go mask of clavicus vile. And I'll be like, it's so aesthetic. It's gotta be top 10.


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[Assistant] Well then, Drew, tell me what you think of the Golden Katana Gold brand. Is it just another Katana boy?


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[Assistant] It's said to be forged by dragons of the north. I'm assuming that's dragons from Atmora, right?


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[Assistant] Massive meme. Anyway, uh, next up, the Grey Cowlov Nocturnal. Now I'm an oblivion fiend, so this one ranked highly for me. What about you two?


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[Assistant] But to me, I'd almost say it doesn't look dull in the sense that it's just some boring cow. It like, almost attracts attention because you look so silly. In oblivion at least.


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[Assistant] But, but it is, it is cool. And I, I ranked it, uh, very highly. I can tell you two right now that the Grey Cal of Nocturnal comes in in my top 10 as rank number two. Ooh, okay. I had it four.


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[Assistant] I just really like the story of it and anything with a curse, I find really interesting. And the idea that it can almost like retroactively rewrite history when you wear it so that the person wearing it never existed.


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[Assistant] In any way or form to me is just so interesting and thinking of all the potential that it has, right?


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[Assistant] Like you could do anything with no consequence. Like say there's a Daedric artifact that gives you like superpowers, right? You will still attract a lot of attention to yourself and you can still be killed. Like things, you can still die even if you get some superpower. But with the Grey Cowl of Nocturnal, there's this anonymity where you just put it on.


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[Assistant] And then do whatever you want and then take it off and then everyone, even like super powerful people, they will not recognize that you're the one who just did something bad.


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[Assistant] The only problem is if, if you trespass, you kind of screwed. Cause if you take it off, he's still trespassing.


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[Assistant] It gets, it gets really interesting, but anyway, we'll move on from the grey cow for now.


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[Assistant] And we will talk about the Mace of Molag Bow. This is something that I found really cool when I was playing Skyrim, especially for our Daedra Priest build. But upon reflection, and I think because of Elder Scrolls Online having too much Molag Bow stuff, I'm just sick of it, man. It's just a big scary Mace.


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[Assistant] No, hold, I think, I think 21 years was when she got her vengeance.


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[Assistant] But it was still a year. Oh yeah, sorry. A year. It was still a year though. So you're right. Like a year and a day after her marriage. So what? She just go to bed. That's what's the cool thing about that sort of like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that even though it looks like that, somehow people just love you for wearing it. Like you look so silly, but everyone who glances upon you is like, I really like you.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can vibe with that for sure. And on that note, I do like, even though in Daggerfall, it doesn't have that same kind of horned vibes, I do like how Daggerfall Daedric Artifacts, they put this like Opal effect onto everything, for lack of better words. Like if you look at Spellbreaker, for example, it looks just like a shield with giant like


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[Assistant] Like opal, you know that rainbow shiny kind of stone look?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I really like that. I think it's super cool. Alright, let's kick. Alright. Next we have Mehrunes Razor. What did you two think of that?


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[Assistant] Okay, so I'll explain it because there's not a lot of solid lore on it. So I'll just, the idea is that theoretically, Meirin's Razor isn't just an instant kill dagger, which is cool in itself, like it looks cool, it has a chance to kill anything instantly.


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[Assistant] And it's like kind of, you know, the Dark Brotherhood would really love this dagger too. But there's this idea, like a metaphysical idea that it can like tear through barriers almost and let you go to places and like, I've even heard this idea thrown around that it can sever like cosmic bonds.


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[Assistant] And like, kind of like godly oaths and stuff. And it's, you know, it's all like this, but I find that super, super cool. Like I find that really, really interesting. And for that reason, I've actually got it in my top 10.


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[Assistant] I have the mask of clavicus vile as well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, ranked number six, but I think I could put it up. But I had Mehrunes Razor at seven, although now that I look at it, I think I'd move it down under the Ebony Blade. Make it an eight.


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[Assistant] No, no, these are all talking potential. It's like a separate pile, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Take it away. You go. Come on. You go. Mysterium's Oxy's, tell us all about it.


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[Assistant] That's, that's no different to the black books or the Ogma Infinium though. He'd be reading them super duper carefully too. So to me, it's kind of just like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that tends to happen. I'm sure people in the audience will agree. And you can tell us in the comments, do you find that when you make a list of a top 10, for example, that the bottom five


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[Assistant] You end up just being like, I could just switch these out with anything depending on my mood. I mean, for me, it can even be the top five. Sometimes.


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[Assistant] Like the second we did our ranking the gods podcast, I went away and then I just thought for 10 minutes and everything changed. Suddenly I ranked Akatosh way higher. So like,


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[Assistant] It all just depends on how you feel at the time. But anyway, we'll move on from the Mysterium Xarxes and we will talk about...


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[Assistant] Yes, the Ogmarr Infinium, which we already talked about. Yeah, I mean, unless there's anything more to say.


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[Assistant] Yeah, same as me. It's basically just an invisibility thief ring. Turns you invisible, makes you fast and agile and stuff like that. It's cool. They're all cool. That's the thing. But yeah, definitely not top 10 potential. Then we have Sanguine Rose.


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[Assistant] Or Sanguine's Rose, as I tend to call it. Which is, as the name suggests, Sanguine's Artifact. Well, obviously a staff that's a giant rose is really cool.


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[Assistant] But I think that it just summoning kinda like Daedra to help you is nothing special. It's nothing that you can't achieve with conjuration magic, whereas other artifacts are specifically unique.


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[Assistant] I agree. Uh, me too. I think it has so much potential. And I mean, we all remember the oblivion quest where you go into the, the Countess's party in Leowyn and use a spell to make them lose their clothes. It's just a prank.


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[Assistant] But uhm, yeah, I like the idea that it wilts and that the petals actually like fall off until you've used it up and then sanguine kind of reclaims it. I'm assuming grows it again.


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[Assistant] And like that, that's all super cool, but yeah, just because of the actual applications that we've seen so far, it didn't make the cut for me. Yeah, fair, fair.


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[Assistant] Next up is Scourge, which is a mace which, Drew, I'm sure you're fond of because it's said to be forged by Malacath.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and honestly, at first I thought, hm, there's nothing that interesting about Scourge, right?


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[Assistant] Um, well, actually it's forged from sacred ebony in the fires of fickle dire. Which sounds cool. Yeah, it does. Now the reason why I think it's just because it wasn't in Skyrim. So it's like, it's not as memorable because it was in Morrowind.


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[Assistant] What it does is it banishes Daedra that you hit with it, right? But it can also conjure Daedra, such as Dramora and Scamp. So to me, it's just like the Mace of Moloch Bow and Sanguine's Rose combined. It can do everything. Um, why would you rank it lower than either of those two? You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna get rid of that. Are we gonna, are we all in agreeance to get rid of Sanguine's Rose from the top 10? Yes. Yeah, cool. And the ebony male as well.


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[Assistant] And the Alkmaar Infinium and the gold, gold brand. So I'm just actually deleting them now. Okay. Uhm, we move on to a really cool one, the Skeleton Key.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that is super cool. And for that reason, uh, yeah, I've got skeleton key as number three. Yeah, same. I think it's, yeah, I think the skeleton key is super cool. If you look at the aesthetic of the skeleton key in Daggerfall, it looks really cool. Again, they like to do this rainbow kind of design on it, but the way that the end of the key is shaped, I can almost imagine it's a computer part.


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[Assistant] And then you know how you can get into like all those like crazy oldest girls theories. Like the Morrowind ones especially. Like technological and stuff. Uhm, you look at the, the actual Daggerfall one, it just looks like it should be inside my PC that I'm looking at now. It should just be on the side there.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like it. So there's this idea that the skeleton key can kind of like, you know, help you unlock.


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[Assistant] Not just doors and stuff, but internal potential. So like if you're a mage, you can become super powerful mage or you know, if you're a warrior, you can become a grand master. But the problem with it is, is it's kind of like only usable if you're that one in a million type person who knows how to actually


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[Assistant] Like for most people you're just gonna use it to open doors and chests and...


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? You're not gonna like slip into the aetherian crux and like, you know, go to lig like mancar Cameron did and like, you know, make yourself dragonborn or something like that. Like it's kind of like the limits of the skeleton key are only is, um, only limited to your imagination in a way.


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[Assistant] I don't think most people would do very interesting things with it because it relies on them having kind of other knowledge and other powers and stuff. But uhm, anyway.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about the next one on the list, which is the skull of corruption. What do you two think?


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[Assistant] I do like that you can create a clone of whoever it's cast upon, at least in previous


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[Assistant] Like in previous games, like in Oblivion. And it's not like some ghostly, ethereal looking clone. It actually is like a full on, like, clone, clone. You know? Like, and it attacks that person. And there's also that cool story, which they say is probably fiction, that uhm, basically like a thieves guild master.


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[Assistant] What about the Spear of Bitter Mercy? I had it at number 5. I knew you'd have it high.


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[Assistant] Cool. Uh, next we have Spellbreaker, which I think is really cool.


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[Assistant] Um, and it's a shield that can kind of act like a, um, like a magical ward, but not just in the literal Skyrim sense of like stopping a spell from hitting you, but also in the sense that it can kind of like dispel curses.


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[Assistant] And silence a mage about to cast a spell.


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[Assistant] I think it's cool, but I'll write it down as like extra potential, but for me it's still just like-


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[Assistant] And it was, sorry, I was going to say it was used with the, I think I said it before, the battle spire thing with Dagon, which was cool to like protect you, but.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so after that, what did we just finish off with Spellbreaker? We have the staff of Shayer Gorath, which for me was an instant no, but it's like worth bringing up because it's interesting and it can kind of like what freeze time and like.


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[Assistant] Yeah. All right. Now we're coming out with a hard hitter. All right. This one's going to rank high. Potentially number one, everyone is Umbra. Yeah. It's my number one. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Okay, for me, what did I, what did I have? Oh, I had a number one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like it kinda takes on a life of its own and escapes and cuts away some of the prince's power for itself. And a black crystal.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure it even takes on the form of like a dark being in the shape of a man, but with eyes like holes into nothing, I think is like one of the quotes, which is super cool.


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[Assistant] Okay, we've got two more to like, just rule out, which I don't think anyone will have in their top 10. Uh, Volendrom. It's got a nice little story.


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[Assistant] It's one, one strong dwarf to throw it that far, eh?


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[Assistant] I like when you look at the art for it in arena, in arena, it kind of almost looks like it belongs in the hands of a space Marine, like an ultra Marine from 40 K. But as time went on, it became more corrupted looking.


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[Assistant] Uh, and way more Daedric, like Malacath has just influenced it that much. And it's just, yeah, it's cool, but the powers of it aren't like super interesting.


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[Assistant] But Scott, but Scott, the staff's victims that are turned into animals and are cooked after the fact become meat known as wabber jerky, which has created debates on whether eating it would be considered cannibalism. Not that absurdly sweet power, Scott. I think the fork of her appellation.


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[Assistant] I do like the look of it still. It is cool looking, it's just that I've seen it so much. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And I also like that one of the random effects, although I swear I've never seen it in Skyrim. I just know it's one. It's so hard to get to happen, but is it decapitation? I think you just shoot someone with it and their head pops off. It definitely happens.


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[Assistant] Sounds like you're coming around. No, it doesn't sound like it. You like it a little bit.


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[Assistant] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to name some and you two tell me if you have something else on your top 10 that we didn't like rule out.


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[Assistant] Umbra, the grey cowl of nocturnal, skeleton key, black books, azura's star, mask of clavcus vial, ebony blade, maroon's razor, spellbreaker, dawnbreaker, saviour's hide, mysterium xarxes, sphere of bitter mercy. Is there anything else anyone wants to-


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[Assistant] Okay, what about you, Drew? Is there anything else I forgot to mention? No, everything I want in the top 10 is there, pretty much. Okay, okay, so that leaves us with 14 things. So we're gonna have to lose four. We're all gonna have to agree to lose four.


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[Assistant] You're sounding like someone who's read the black books a bit too much, you know? Right. I think that's, I think you've, you've sold it to me. Um, I, I think me too. But I would say-


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[Assistant] You've just written a black books video. This is so unfair. Yeah, that's true. He's still got the high. If you master the black books, you can speak a random language.


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[Assistant] So your headphones, you'll have to invest in some new ones. Yeah, I'm sold on the black books. Um, yeah, okay. I'm just trying to think what can we easily eliminate? Is everyone happy to, like, what are your thoughts on getting rid of things like Dawnbreaker, Spellbreaker?


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[Assistant] My nine is Spellbreaker as well, but I can't admit Saviour's Hide being cooler than it is.


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[Assistant] See, now I, I'll give, I'll throw you to a bone, cause I know you're gonna jump on it. Uhm, I have Azura Star at 5.


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[Assistant] I just think Azura's star is better than...


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[Assistant] Okay, here's an idea, you two. I have a feeling that our lists are a little bit too different and that we're never gonna get a top ten. How would you feel about agreeing on a top five? I think that's a good idea.


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[Assistant] And then we can try to agree on like a top six, a top seven, and then yeah, cause that's when you'll see where it falls apart. So Umbra is number one. I've got Umbra number one.


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[Assistant] I had the mask as like number five-ish, it was in the middle of me.


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[Assistant] No, but I do think the grey cow's top 5. I have a feeling, I have a feeling we're not going to agree on anything. Okay, okay. Do you think that the mask is top 5 everyone? Sorry, the, the cow. Yeah. I w- I would put it next.


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna have to concede so the podcast doesn't go forever. I think Grey Cow should go above Skeleton Key.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this kinda is my top 5 except that I had the black books instead of Mysterium's arxies, so.


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[Assistant] It's not, yeah, look, I think everyone, we can all agree that no matter what list we end up making, it's not going to be a genuine list of any of ours, because as we discussed,


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I, to be honest, I kind of could be convinced of that. Like, I'm, I'm being convinced of that as well. Let's just chuck it in at number five. I think that, that's a good, that's a good spot for it. Skeleton key six.


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[Assistant] Okay, so we've got Umrah, the Mask of Clavicus Vile, the Black Books, the Grey Cowl of Nocturnal, the Mysterium Xarxes, and the Skeleton Key as six. I feel like we have to have, after hearing the story, the Ebony Blade in the top ten.


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[Assistant] Competitives. Uh, we've got the, uhm, so you two definitely would not have Azura star. I can, I can concede, like, okay.


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[Assistant] Saviour's Hide, The Spear of Bitter Mercy, Dawnbreaker, Spellbreaker, Mehrunes Razor, Ebony Blade.


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[Assistant] What if we put, what if we put in Spellbreaker as number seven?


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[Assistant] And then we can decide is Saviour's Hide or the Spirit of Bitter Mercy cooler than Spellbreaker? I would say that. What do you think Scott?


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[Assistant] The Spear of Bitter Mercy is at 7, and then we've got Spellbreaker at 8.


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[Assistant] Um, unless you think, Dawnbreaker, oh sorry, the Ebony Blade is cooler than Spellbreaker, 100%. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Okay, alright. Drew, you love Katanas, can't you? Yeah, I'm the biggest weeb. And then, we have three left to put into spot number ten, or above Spellbreaker, or Ebony Blade. Meirin's Razor, Dornbreaker, and Savior's Horde. Meirin's Razor.


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[Assistant] Kay, Umbra, Mask of Clavicus Vile, Black Books, Grey Cowl of Nocturnal, Mysterium's Axes, Skeleton Key, Spirit Bit of Mercy, Ebony Blade, Spellbreaker, and what? The Razor, The Breaker, or The Horde?


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[Assistant] I'm gonna put Mehrunes Razor, I'm gonna put Mehrunes Razor because of the metaphysical potential. Like, Dormbreaker is just a sword with light, and Mehrunes Razor is just a dagger that kills things instantly. But then Mehrunes Razor also has this potential, potential idea. I think that's fair. I think that's fair. Okay. So we think Spellbreaker's cooler than Dormbreaker. Yes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay, the list is complete. I think that's a pretty good list.


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[Assistant] Alright, the final top 10 and thank you to everyone who's watching the podcast. I really want to hear your top 10s or see your top 10s in the comments and follow us on Twitter too.


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[Assistant] Nah, I think people agree, man. It's fun in game.


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[Assistant] Shayagora is super cool, but, uh, and Waba Jack's really fun. All these artifacts are great. It's just not like, in terms of like cool lore, right? Surrounding it is not as, not as cool.


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[Assistant] So we've got umbra, the mask of clavcus vile, the black books of himeus mora, the grey cowl of nocturnal, the mysterium xarxes, the skeleton key, spear of bitter mercy, the ebony blade, spellbreaker, and maroon's razor. There we go.


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[Assistant] Alright, well, thanks everyone for watching. As I said, social media links there in the description below. You can get our merch if you're interested in supporting the podcast and looking, and looking awesome. And uh,


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[Assistant] I look forward to nerding, or we look forward to nerding out with you again very soon. Thanks so much everyone.


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[Assistant] Well, if I had to boil it down to make it as simple as possible for the beginning, if you imagine, you know, you got the dawn era, followed by the Merefic era, followed by recorded time, first, second, third, however long it goes.


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[Assistant] The way to imagine it is imagine that the Dawn era is the end of the previous cycle and the beginning of the new one, somehow simultaneously. So it is a beginning and an end.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like if you imagine the Ouroboros, uhm, or Satakal as the, uh, the Akudans will call it, the snake eating itself, the way I see the Dawn era is where the tail meets the head.


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[Assistant] You know, it's kinda like the end and the beginning, but yea, like as you said, Morefic is day one of the new Calpa, but there's a lot of mishmash of ideas going on in the dawn times that seems like things are coming to a close, but things are also starting up again.


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[Assistant] Which, you know, in a way Alduin did it himself as well, you know, by kind of getting greedy and deciding he wanted to dominate the world rather than bring it to an end, he has delayed it. So everything that happened after the dragon war is a delayed end.


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[Assistant] It's important to say here, most people know this, but you really need to pay attention to the fact that Anu and Padamai, or Satakal, or whatever any race calls it,


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[Assistant] It's, it's, they're on another level to the, to the Divines and the Aedra, the Daedra and whatnot, cause these, these spirits are almost adapting to the cycle themselves. When you imagine Rupdgar, he develops a way of striding between world skins to kind of, um, endure when the cycle ends.


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[Assistant] So even these spirits are dealing with that, and this is a slight theory that might not really be true, but I quite like the sound of it, is that you can kind of get elements of this, this walkabout, uhm,


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[Assistant] In, you can see it in the lore with, with the elves. So the elves have a, a longer lifespan, because, fine aster.


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[Assistant] Uhm, discovered a way to extend life by shortening his stride. And I kind of relate this in a way to the walkabout in that they can stride between world skins, so like by shortening the stride, he's made the elven lifespan so much longer.


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[Assistant] And it's very similar to the Yakuuden, Satak, Akel combination. It's very similar to the idea of Atak, the Great Root, and Kota, the Serpent, kind of combining.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Yeah, cause you've got the plane meld, um, in the second era, which is very similar to the oblivion crisis. But at the same time, if, you know, if we go back to what we said about, um, the idea that the world should have ended when album was supposed to consume the world, it's almost like, um,


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[Assistant] As time goes on, there's been continuing, um, cataclysmic events that keep getting foiled, but they need to, one of them needs to happen, so that the cycle can renew.


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[Assistant] So with, with the direction we've been going with this, it's like, you, you imagine the, you know, we talk about it a lot, that the, the Elnife Wars between the old Elnife and the wandering Elnife is, uhm, a very, you know, is the early battle that kind of set in motion the rest of time.


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[Assistant] If we look at it through this, this calpic lens, it's almost as if this El Nafé war is a climax, it's the end of a story as opposed to the beginning of one.


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[Assistant] You know, cause if the dawn is the end of the previous calper, it's like it's been built up to the wandering and old Elnife battling each other.


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[Assistant] Well, we just don't remember. Yeah, we don't remember the build up to it. We just see the after effect, you know, see it happen and then the after effects.


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[Assistant] And to support that idea, it says explicitly in the monomyth that the Far Shores is a place for spirits to await the next world skin.


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[Assistant] So it seems like, you know, with the pounce and this and this idea about Sovngarde is that normally the way we perceive an afterlife is that's the end, it's your eternity of rest, everything is over, now you just chill.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, and they're, they're awaiting something, you know, they're all standing around throwing rocks at, at the two people. And then they're all gonna parachute back down to Nurn afterwards.


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[Assistant] And the idea that, um, Oblivion and the Void is kind of separate from this Ouroboros, this Calphex cycle, makes sense with the fact that there's no passage of time in these places.


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[Assistant] What's the thing, it's like the eye he sees when looking at the calpic cycle from the side, you know, it's just looking at the wheel from the side, but you almost imagine it like the destruction of the towers is like,


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[Assistant] Freed that world from creation because it didn't get to restart, so it was freed from creation.


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[Assistant] You're saying Vivek is free in the real world now. Somewhere. He's gonna visit you in the night.


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[Assistant] Anyone who is listening to this, you are now cursed to be visited by Vivec in the night.


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[Assistant] It's uh. And when Vivek achieved Kim, so you'd say in the past tense that he came, right? He came. Yea, he came. What do you mean? I don't know where you're going. What's important is the past tense of Kim, right?


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[Assistant] Along with Magnege as well. Yeah, so basically they're making the world all the original spirits, you know, there's the ones that sit out the Daedra, the ones that join in and become part of it all. And then the Magnege who basically, I don't know, wig out, just leg it into the sky, tearing holes in it, creating the sun and the stars.


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[Assistant] And from there, from aetherius magic leaks through available for use.


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[Assistant] So basically you could almost describe magic as just like an energy that's in everything. The type of magicka that you're talking about. It's an energy comprising of, you know, it's in every living being.


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[Assistant] And it can be kind of manipulated. It's kind of just like it's energy manipulation in the most basic sense, right?


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[Assistant] So there's like a whole bunch of different ways you can play with this energy and they become the schools of magic. As you know, you categorize them and learn to do different things with them. But really there are no schools of magic per se. It's more just like a arbitrary classification that mortals like to put on it to make it easy to understand.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's kinda like you were using that example, Scott, of a normal school, but you can see how topics in science and maths obviously overlap with each other.


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[Assistant] And I guess from a lore perspective as well, in terms of you learning the skill, it doesn't really add up between games, but you can look at it like, the way that you learn a skill is, there's gonna be similar spells, right? Or similar kind of groupings, so it's easier for you to do that.


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[Assistant] So what I'm trying to explain is if you have 70 conjuration, you're good at soul trapping because you've already been playing with souls.


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[Assistant] But bad at mysticism if you didn't invest anything into it, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's a bit like a land grab in a way, isn't it? Like you're the first person to think, oh, I can manipulate energy in this way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or just like a creative harnessing of the same energy everyone else is already using to do magic with.


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[Assistant] I guess something else I was gonna say, very similar to that and kinda adds to it.


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[Assistant] What if the classification and the almost boxing of magic into different schools actually limits the creativity of using and manipulating magic and that's why we don't have as many interesting and mysterious things anymore?


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[Assistant] I mean, if you get a person new to magic and the approach instead of, mm, this is energy, you can use it in all these different ways and they're kind of playing around with it and being creative versus here's magic, there's five schools.


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[Assistant] All I'm thinking of is that meme I sent you guys ages ago with all the massive warriors with spears and it's like intuition, feelings, and in the background magics running in. We should remake that except put Sijic faces on all the big guys and have them killing little imperial colleges.


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[Assistant] It is, it is a shame that we don't see the mysticism spells like reflect damage anymore. I really hope they bring more effects back into Elder Scrolls 6. Along with spellcasting, uh, sorry, spellcrafting.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I mean a cloak is way different to a shield because one's causing damage and one's protecting you from it.


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[Assistant] I-I do like to kind of headcanon it in the lore a bit, as for some things, you can't do it for everything, but with Paralyze, for example, you could easily say that it's different methods of achieving the same thing.


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[Assistant] So with alteration, perhaps you're using magic to literally change the, I don't know, for lack of better words, the cells in their body to be immobilized. Whereas with- Or like a stasis or something. Yeah, like a stasis spell. But with illusion, it's actually tricking the brain into thinking it can't move.


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[Assistant] I can see why they took it out though. I can definitely see it. Like for example, when I used to play Oblivion, I've played, when I say when I used to play, when I first started playing Oblivion, I didn't really use it much.


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[Assistant] And in the builds that I did use it, it felt like there wasn't enough to the school. Like you could end up doing some really cool things with it but there definitely wasn't enough there. I guess the difference is


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[Assistant] It's a lazier choice to just move that into other things as opposed to, hang on, there's not enough here. Let's add more to mysticism. So the use is actually incentivized.


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[Assistant] Versus being just like, no, let's get rid of it because we didn't do it well enough.