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[Assistant] Chunks of time. So like a soul, it's, it's, it's, it's, imagine if you had like the concept of time or akatosh or whatever and it's like,


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[Assistant] Comes down and there's like lots of derivative souls. Some are larger than others such as Alduin who's a big powerful first born because the whole idea children of Akatosh, it's just sort of like, it can just be like derivative of if that makes sense. So uhm.


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[Assistant] But then if you think about one dragon consuming another dragon, it's kind of consuming another like...


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[Assistant] Chunk of time and other dragon souls, so it's kind of what it's all like.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, that's the way I understand it, that it's not, uhm,


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[Assistant] They, even when they're absorbed or whatever and like properly dead, they're not dead, they've sort of just become part of a larger soul, like a better, another dragon, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I think, I think there is none really, because like we can see that like, you know, as the dragonborn, you absorb Mirak, who was another dragonborn, who is in possession of another dragon soul, and uhm, he absorbs


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[Assistant] Kind of like only a dragon can kill, properly kill another dragon, because besides the physical manifestation, there's that, there's that soul, that chunk of like, immortal time kind of thing.


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[Assistant] There could be interesting elements to play with there, though for like story potential. But uhm, overall we know that dragons and dragonborn, by extension really I guess, are involved with uhm,


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[Assistant] Time. And Akatosh, the god of time. And we can kinda start getting into it, but there's this concept of


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[Assistant] And this is a little bit out there, it's less like canon, but it's the concept of, of time, because there's various interpretations of, uhm,


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[Assistant] of the different time gods. So there's like Oriell, the elven sort of king of the gods, but he created time, but then there's sort of Akatosh, the dragon god, you know, and then there's Alduin who's also kind of confusing because it's first born of Akatosh and then other people like, oh, it's an avatar of, but basically this whole like shards of Akka idea is that you have this sort of big


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[Assistant] Oversole, a dragon oversole concept, and then you have Auriel as personification of the beginning of time, Akatosh as the middle, and then, uh, Alduin as the end, like the world eater who will end the cycle. So you sort of have these three elements, because


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[Assistant] It depends on like how you look at things, cause there's evidence to support different theories and stuff, but they're kind of all part of the same.


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[Assistant] Entity, in the same way we covered this in the Complete Guide to Gods, but sort of how


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[Assistant] You know, Kinnareth and Kain and Kanathi and Tava.


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[Assistant] Are all sort of different mythologies imposed on this one central idea of nature, wind, air kind of stuff, but, but,


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[Assistant] It kind of creates a multiple personality disorder, like they're all kind of valid.


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[Assistant] They're just different mythological lenses to look at that same god, so.


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[Assistant] It's like the concept of her, of Akatosh comes up first in her stories.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, you could go on like, you know how they go though, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again. That's the calpic cycles. It's go over it again. It ends up eating itself and then it begins a new one. Then it does the same thing over and over.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, cause there's all these entities that are sort of trans-calpic entities where they sort of


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[Assistant] Exist beyond the previous ones, cause you sort of still have the same Daedric Princes, the same sort of, Aedric entities it seems, as each incarnation of, of Mundus or whatnot, cause there's like, Moloch Bell being like, king of the dregs in a previous Calport, or you have reference to, references to Divine Father of Umaril.


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[Assistant] Another thing to throw out there is that Alkosh, who is like the Khajiit version, he was credited with apparently sending away Pelennor when Pelennor was going, massacring all the Khajiit because he thought they were elves. Apparently it was Alkosh that stopped him, which kind of,


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[Assistant] It doesn't make as much sense if he's, it could be, look, you don't know, but yeah.


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[Assistant] But yea, I guess we can also, like, if other people want more, uh, information on how they're connected to time, I mean, an easy one to talk about is Dragon Break. So, so the concept of,


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[Assistant] Dragons are associated with time, and the dragon, the dragon they refer to is generally Akatosh, right? And then if Akatosh breaks, that's time is broken.


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[Assistant] So, that's like what we had with the Warp in the West or the Middle Dawn. And essentially what it is, is where


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[Assistant] Uhm, there is an out of lore idea that there's these...


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[Assistant] Essentially the, the female counterparts of dragons called gills, which essentially are responsible for


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[Assistant] Basically making sense of the dragon break and repairing all of these separate timelines and sort of consolidating it as much as they can and then kind of stitching it back together into a linear timeline. It's still not gonna make sense because


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[Assistant] Obviously like the Warp in the West and the Miracle of Peace, there's all of these simultaneous endings that happened at once, but it's not as nuts as it could be. So they kind of stitch it back together and then you have a continuing threat.


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[Assistant] But outside of that, that's functionally what a dragon break is, regardless of whether there's these female dragons called jills behind it doing it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, there's lots of, there's also things, you gotta be careful sometimes because sometimes it's not actually Kirkbride stuff or he's mentioned it but then it gets carried away with other things and then the IP becomes popular. Um, but obviously it's all still fun discussion and so on. For sure.


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[Assistant] Well that's why I kind of think it's more useful I think to think of Akara as just sort of like a concept of time, a time god, and then if dragons are derivative of time, but then Akatosh is sort of...


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[Assistant] Imprinted on them, this benevolent dragon, so it's not so much that, because if you, if you think about if, you know, instead of trying to put a mortal morality for, give, put it, imprinting that onto the god, or at least the concept as a whole, not the specific gods, but then if you have, if you think about it like that, like,


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[Assistant] If you think of Akatosh, if he is, if you go with the madness idea that he's stuck in a loop, maybe he kind of wants to just get out of it. Maybe the, maybe the dragon's being sort of derivative of our sort of like dominating to kind of


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[Assistant] Like kind of a dominating time, if that makes sense. They want to control because they've got these things like, I need to get a grip on time. And that's sort of their, how it sort of personifies in the world. If that makes sense.


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[Assistant] I think one of the harder things with time and so on is there's been, there's plenty instances of this that, that...


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[Assistant] Like it's in Elder Scrolls universe is inherently kind of, and they fixed it in because for retcons and stuff, but it's inherently changing not just the future, but, but the past also changes like concepts. So like, you know, like classic examples will be like potentially Ebon arm and sigh and stuff like that. Them sort of being.


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[Assistant] Retcon or like, or the warp in the west, like Talos was never a god.


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[Assistant] Until the warp in the west happened, and now retroactively, he's been a god since his ascension.


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[Assistant] That past is now true, but it's also true that it was once jungle in this other timeline, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? But because there's this whole concept of, of, there's this linear time that they're trying to stitch up all the time that, that,


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[Assistant] Those once pasts that got you to that point won't necessarily be the true pasts now, if that makes sense. So like Akatosh could equally have created them because that is the mythical past now. I guess for viewers and so on. We went from zero to a hundred real quick.


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[Assistant] But it might make you mad if it's some people and it's a very logical, like Elder Scrolls inherently is a world about


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[Assistant] You gotta stop thinking about it in this sort of idea of there is this strict linear time, you have evolution of fish to monkeys to people kind of thing, cause it's, it's different. You know, there's so many, and you know, throwing dragon breaks and things like the time wound and stuff, you have all of these,


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[Assistant] I mean, put it this way, Alduin was supposed to destroy the world, and he wasn't, and he didn't do it back in the Merethic era, uhm, and instead he decided to dominate man and create his own kingdom. He gets sent forward in time, which then creates the whole story of Skyrim, and all of those thousands of years of history happen in between then, but then,


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[Assistant] Because of someone, what I'm saying is there's a lot of time bending in the Elder Scrolls. Like there's a lot.


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[Assistant] Absolutely, but you know, it's, it's cool. I think it's part of the appeal of the, uhm, Elder Scrolls. Uhm, I, just, while we're kind of on the topic of Alduin, there was a question from, uh, Sachin Dash, asking about the future for dragons after Alduin's defeat. Do you guys have any thoughts about it? Because...


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[Assistant] Yeah, Alduin. Like, I could just lead on that Alduin, you don't absorb his soul.


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[Assistant] You defeat him, but, but uhm, yeaah, now there's dragons everywhere, so what do you guys think?


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[Assistant] From the lore perspective, I don't think there's as many dragons in Skyrim as there are in the game. So for example, like you know how there's the named dragon at the start, and there's a few other little named dragons, and you can imagine like a bunch or maybe some of the word walls, like one at each of the word walls kind of thing. But you know how it becomes a generic enemy type that could just pop up all the time? You might have killed.


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[Assistant] I just get the feeling that, you know, obviously that's a gameplay mechanic.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess some people also, like Lotat is hungry, uhm, he said when did the nords learn to combat the dragons via dragon shouts, and it goes on to talk about kind and so on, but essentially he's kinda asking about that whole interaction.


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[Assistant] And basically, yeaah, so there's either Kine or Kine through Parthenax or whatever. It would have been in the Merethic Era during the Dragon Wars, which...


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[Assistant] The minimum, they have to be before 1000 to 800 years before the first era.


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[Assistant] But, like, I did some math and stuff with the Isgrimor dynasty and stuff like that, with Harald being the 13th in line, and roughly, I think I put in some other video that Isgrimor would have arrived around 500ish years before the start of the first era.


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[Assistant] So at some point in between then and the start of the first era, the Dragon Wars happen, maybe like 50 to 100 years into Isgrimor's reign, uhm, or his descendants or something and, but it neatly happens in that period somewhere. So you've got the whole rise of the Dragon Cult.


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[Assistant] You've got the whole rise of the, the dragon priests and stuff. Um, presumably then is when I guess.


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[Assistant] The shouts and some kind of powers are being taught to the dragon priest exclusively, but then obviously when Parthenax disagrees with Alduin, he sort of goes his own way and actually teaches men, maybe at the behest of kynel, like that's how maybe.


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[Assistant] You know, I know something like that. Uhm, and then he taught the men how to use the thorn to help fight back against the dragons and the tyranny of the dragon priests and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] But Akatosh as a concept wasn't necessarily like even a thing. If you're looking at it in a linear sense, wasn't.


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[Assistant] As much of a thing at that point, cause it's already years. The reason I had to say that kind so like kind creating the human, humans and so on and sort of being a figure that's mercy on, on men and so on that kind could have been the person to sort of talk to Parthenax and persuade him.


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[Assistant] Of this sort of like other way, this peaceful, high in the sky kind of way and that, that she, that he should help the humans and so on. Like, I don't, I don't look, there's, there's, you know, lots of things said in the Elder Scrolls. I see no reason to discount the idea that, and also the thing was too, is that Kine was, um, always.


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[Assistant] Beforehand was the one who taught them Nethorm in the lore. Then they insert the Parthenax kind of thing comes Skyrim.


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[Assistant] And kind being the hawk and stuff and like, um, and being associated with wind sky and you know, that kind of thing. It's kind of like a nice little.


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[Assistant] Connection between the dragons and star school. Have you? I completely off topic, but I remember there's a, there's a movie called the one ring or something, which is that story.


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[Assistant] It's like a, like a, like a little mini series made into a movie or so on where he like bathes in the dragon's blood, but he becomes immortal, but except there was a leaf on, on part of his back and that becomes his one vulnerable spot. He's like this immortal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if that, I hope that's not just a movie thing, but it's at least based on that, that whole story and it goes, you know. But, uh, yeah, back to the Elder Scrolls.


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[Assistant] The uhm, but yeaah, so I guess, I guess everyone by now should have a pretty firm understanding of dragons themselves and their ideas of them being connected to time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I wonder what actually, um, started that whole thing, whether maybe the dragon cult sort of started off at both in Atmora and then originally in Skyrim as sort of a, like a,


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[Assistant] Kind of a more respectful relationship, not so much like...


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[Assistant] They, they give them their due reverence, but they're not, uhm,


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[Assistant] Not the same sort of dominate, I'm your ultimate ruler kind of thing. And maybe, maybe Alduin hadn't sort of...


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[Assistant] Domineering and the god-priests kind of like, you know, changed, you know what I mean, and became a bit more.


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[Assistant] Well, I guess they were, I actually can't remember exactly when the Skull got in there because we do know that uhm, obviously Mirak and the three other priests were there uhm, on the island.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, that's all after this though.


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[Assistant] Because you have the snow elves and stuff were there and there was the battle of the moose rings, snow elf prince dies. Then obviously you'd have the dragon cult get established and then you, but then you had the point where you had Mirak.


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[Assistant] And according to the, it's kind of like not super, super strict canon, but those three other priests with their sort of Lovecraftian masks were also.


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[Assistant] Um, but then yeah, and then they were locked up by Valok, the jailer, um, in a big battle. And apparently that's the battle that separated Solstheim from the mainland of Skyrim in this big, you know, cataclysmic battle.


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[Assistant] And then their descendants, uhm, yeaah, I guess would have been the Skarl and so on, but the Skarl then, that, they're a later sort of deal. I'm not sure how much directly they are actually completely representative of, of Atmore and religion, because as much as they have the totem elements and stuff, they do sort of have a real,


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[Assistant] Aedric, Entity, like all of them have an associate, like the Owl being Junal, Kain, Hawke.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, Shaw, the Fox, like, they all have, uhm, an equivalent. So it's not, uhm, whether they were called those names right back then in the Merethic Era necessarily, but, I mean,


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[Assistant] I don't know why not, I guess. Like, I don't think it was some like.


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[Assistant] You know, caveman kind of animal totem thing at the time of Skyrim. Maybe it was even at Mora way before then, but I mean, you know, they, I forget the name of the it's like.


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[Assistant] Jika, Ikafrik or something, some big like name of Atmora. Apparently it's this enormous shipyard and stuff. Like you've got to remember they weren't, um, primitive. They were making like entire fleets that they can send to Atmora. So the Atmorans themselves weren't these primitive types or anything.


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[Assistant] Which I think we talked about in, uhm, in the Mirac explained video that he actually...


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[Assistant] Became dragon, god of dragonborns, became dragonborns through, uhm, his interactions with Himaeus Mora, because Himaeus Mora having like all infinite knowledge would have potentially knowledge of, of everything or how the, like, he could have knowledge of the same blessing that Akatosh


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[Assistant] Would bestow upon, uhm, Alicia and her descendants and so on, so maybe.


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[Assistant] Maybe it wasn't as much as I'm directly blessed by Akatosh, but instead in a pact with Himaeus Mora, I'm going to get an actual dragon soul, which obviously he would have idolized to at least some degree because of all of the other dragons. So he's like, yes, ultimate power. Now I can actually kill the other dragons.


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[Assistant] I think Mirak also talks a fair amount of shit when he's like, I could have done, I could have killed Alduin, I could have done this, and it's like.


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[Assistant] But yea, there's plenty of colourful characters, uhm, in the Dragon Priest, and like, I guess people are...


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[Assistant] Soul energy or whatever, or life force is what sust- they constantly sustain the dragon priest who are- who are- who are essentially liches, just not-


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[Assistant] In the exact same way as other liches. But uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and then they're all committed to, uh, Alduin's return. Cause remember, Alduin got sent forward in the future, and I'm, I'm sure they'd be aware of this.


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[Assistant] Like, they used the Elder Scroll to send him forward, so they probably are all preparing for his great return. In the advance of Skyrim.


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[Assistant] But I'll, I'll go through some extra questions. Uhm, realxsteel said, uhm, could dragons use all types of magic? And, and yes, uhm, we think so too. And like, even Durnavu was capable of summoning bone men and wraithmen. Uhm, but- I feel like, I, I feel like-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think we've had this conversation before, but we're still talking about how, uhm, if...


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[Assistant] In the, in terms of game mechanics, they, they, they make, uh, dragon.


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[Assistant] Shout competitions and fights basically seem like, oh, it's like a verbal debate and so on. But if you actually think about it, like that's a, you know, obviously they're just breathing fire and frost and maybe the occasional like little soul blast thing or something because, um, it's a game mechanic and you want to have like, you know,


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[Assistant] Like, you know, speaking all these different, you know, dragon language words, you don't understand, but they're sort of like combating mythologies and stuff, which is sort of.


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[Assistant] Formulating the fabric of the universe, because remember the Thorn is like a inherently like, um,


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[Assistant] Universe bending magic, it's not sorcery, magicka and so on. So it's changing the rules. So imagine if there's these two dragons, they're kind of like seeing whose philosophy is greater and you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I don't know, it just doesn't hold up to me.


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[Assistant] It's, it's like a myth makes reality kind of thing. They, they buy the whole idea that, you know, how they were saying that power makes right. If they're the strongest with their voice, then they can.


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[Assistant] Make this certain in the universe versus the other persons and then assert their power. So it's kind of like, rather than just the physical manifestation, like you just said, it's a, it could be a bit more of a uh, philosophical thing.


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[Assistant] There was, Lupus Alpha was saying, why didn't dragons have as much of a presence in Tamriel outside of Skyrim and elsewhere? And we can kind of drop, but we've kind of talked about that a little bit, but.


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[Assistant] It also would be useful to expand on, I guess, the Dragon Wars and stuff, but I, in my personal opinion, I think that the whole Dragon Wars fiasco was very short-lived in Skyrim.


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[Assistant] I feel like when Isgrimor came over, the dragon cult might have been sort of becoming a bit of a thing back in Atmora. Kinda gets established, Isgrimor sets up his, his, uh,


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[Assistant] His whole shtick in Skyrim killed all the snow elves, stuff like that. Then maybe his son or something becomes king and the dragon cult's really getting popularity, then it sort of comes out and to, and catches on in, in Skyrim.


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[Assistant] In Skyrim, it really starts proliferating and it's really good for a little bit, but then maybe Alduin has a change of heart, wants to dominate, the priests come in and that lasts, but it may be that tyranny only lasts for like 50 years or even less. And then it all gets, you know, fixed when Parthenax teaches them.


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[Assistant] But it does make sense because the other thing that's like, if you do, uh, there's two things, if you propose that it was there,


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[Assistant] For a long, long time, like longer than inside of a hundred years, I'd even say less potentially. Uhm, it's like, well then why didn't they conquer all of Tamriel? The dragons are crazy powerful, the dragon priests are crazy powerful, how couldn't they just spread further and get a lot further? It's like, well, maybe they actually didn't have as much time as you think. And also another thing to consider,


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[Assistant] Is that, it seems we only knew of, like, one dragon priest of each area, sort of like,


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[Assistant] There was only one dragon priest ruler of this ruin or city or whatever back then or this city. So because maybe there was only like one generation of, of dragon priests. And if you look at Azadal, Azadal was, uhm,


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[Assistant] He was like one of the first in contact with elves or something, wasn't it? And he learned enchanting from the elves and he came back and, and like, it kind of almost impl...


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[Assistant] Sometimes, from what memory, someone look it up, but I'm pretty sure it's kind of the vibes that he left and learned enchanting from the elves and then sort of came back.


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[Assistant] And then the dragon cult's almost a thing there and it's, it doesn't seem like there's this big domineering dragon cult in his childhood.


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[Assistant] My ultimate conclusion would be that I just think it was short lived, the whole dragon cold dragon wars thing. I think that's a pretty tight explanation, explains why there aren't hundreds of dragon priests and instead there's only like a generation, maybe two of dragon priests. Um, and that there aren't, cause there's not heaps and heaps of masks and so on.


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[Assistant] Interestingly too, they, they do have limited spread into high rock as well that like, so it's like, it's almost like the intention was there. There's, I think it's Azan. A little bit Stormhaven, right?


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[Assistant] Left the followers, left central Skyrim for a remote mountain called Scalecaller Peak.


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[Assistant] And I'm pretty sure it was towards, um, high rock direction, but it wasn't in Skyrim. But basically what I'm saying, that's why I feel like it was a short-lived thing and they, because they were sort of on the path for expansion. They were spreading, but it was just too short-lived to get anything.


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[Assistant] Also, uh, actually to throw out there, here's an interesting, uh, thing for time scale is, uhm, Azadhal is born in Sarthal, in the late Merethic era.


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[Assistant] He was actually, like before the return, so when Ysgrimor came back, he was alive at that time and so on. So maybe it only happened like even in Ysgrimor's lifespan, maybe Alduin got really


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[Assistant] Um, so it's not like he was a young guy. Um, so yeah, maybe it pretty much happened straight after that and then that was short-lived. Uh, and then, uh, gets back to normal.


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[Assistant] I don't think they necessarily would have been in Morrowind, because at this same time,


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Kyma and Dwemer should be in Morrowind as well, and I feel like they should say something about their being dragons.


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[Assistant] One, uh, extra time reference. Another thing was, you know how I was saying about trying to place when Ysgrimmar's return was in the Murethic Era? It's, uhm...


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[Assistant] Kodlak Whitemane says that the companions are nearly 5,000 years old, which would place it at, uhm, sometime in the last five centuries in the Merethic era. So that's, that's, that was another time supporting thing, so.


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[Assistant] But uhm, I'll keep going, just check, we've got some more questions. And there's, there is also speaking of Isgrimor, uhm, from year semi, did Isgrimor bring the dragons with him when he returned, but late, but later on when the dragon cult was overthrown, the story was changed to reclaim their national hero. It might explain why the Falmer were pushovers for a few companions.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there are some people that go on ideas about the dragons coming with him and helping him or being even members of the companions.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I feel like this is, you know, a bit of a meme.


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[Assistant] He could have come over with dragons, but honestly I find it kind of, from a narrative perspective, I think it undermines Ysgrimor that like, everything's a dragon, everything and anything ever great accomplished had to be because a dragon was there and it's like...


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[Assistant] Lilivia was saying, I definitely want to hear speculation about dragons in Morrowind, or lack thereof, and also mentioned the run out by cliff racers thing, but yea, like we kind of said, like,


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[Assistant] I can't imagine, like, they could maybe be annoyed by Pest and Leave, but they, I don't think they're there because of, uhm.


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[Assistant] Because the Chimer and Dwemer don't mention anything about them being there. You know, I don't know, they've got Skyrim right next door with a bunch of worshipers and so on that are happy to, you know, do anything for them. Well, not happy to, it depends. The priests were, but.


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[Assistant] Maybe just cause it is a quest that appears during the main storyline, but I- I don't- I just feel like-


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[Assistant] They won't give you a canon decision, I feel like it's just they're not gonna address it at all. Uhm, Parthenax- and killing Parthenax is a pretty...


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[Assistant] It's a unanimously hated decision. Like, there's very few people that are like, yeah, Parthenax deserves to die. It's a bit of a, he's such a, you know what I mean? Like a, a liked.


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[Assistant] We did address to what's the future of the wind beasts a bit, like we thought, like,


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[Assistant] It'll have a lot more impact too if you only do meet one, like the classic sort of like dragon in his cave with his hoard of gold kind of thing if you kind of came across a dragon like that.


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[Assistant] It'd be interesting. But uhm, I don't know if we want to discuss this anymore about the concept of their desire to dominate and sort of, like, what they mean. I also think


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[Assistant] I don't like that from a riding perspective, I think dragons are interested enough without this innate ability to dominate, cause I don't get what the, uh,


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[Assistant] The end goal of that is, and even in regards to if you're, if you're, if you're connecting it back to Akka or Akatosh or the, and all the derivatives and whatnot, like,


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[Assistant] What purpose does it sort of serve to dominate? Unless, actually here, if it's, uhm, if you consider


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[Assistant] That Akatosh and Oriel and all that are sort of very Anuic and very anti-Lorkhan and so on. If they see the Nords and all of the humans and stuff as these sort of Patamaic


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[Assistant] Prolokhan, or Shor as they call him, uhm, sort of elements that, that dominating them is sort of like suppressing them and like,


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[Assistant] Well, there is the thing where polythenex says, uhm...


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[Assistant] He says it's an innate thing. And then he says like, cause there's a little philosophical thing where it's like, Oh, what is it better to, um, what's better to be born good or to overcome your evil nature and be good basically. Um, paraphrase there, but yeah.


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[Assistant] I feel like the seeking power angle can be done without the domination angle because you have the ones go to


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Maybe only things that they think could contest them, potentially.


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[Assistant] I want to throw out that an extra note, um, about, uh, the Thum in general and how, you know, the dragons, they use the debate and it's that are likened to a debate and then, you know, they're using stronger arguments. So whoever, whoever wins the debate slash battle is right and correct.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's actually how Jörgen Windkaller, uhm, the guy who founded the Greybeards, he basically fought all of these other tongues who challenged his newfound philosophy of where you should only use it in reverence, the Thorm in reverence of the gods.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and he does this, he asserts his philosophical dominance by beating them all in battle and swallowing all their shouts and stuff. So in the same way that the dragons kind of battle, like the actual physical battle is kind of like, might makes right, it's like,


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[Assistant] You know, whoever's philosophy is strongest, it's the same thing to them. So, you know, Jürgen Windkaller was the strongest philosophically, and that's why he could win because not, cause I think


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[Assistant] At least I believe that they would interpret it in a very literal way in that.


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[Assistant] If you are stronger, your philosophy was correct kind of thing. Like that is the greater myth or position or whatever. Like versus not just, oh, well, you just, you just beat me with a hammer, but I'm still right. Like they kind of.


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[Assistant] I think the other dragon or the other tongue or whatever would concede to the greater philosophy because they were beaten, if that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's, uh, I think that's it. Some people also asked about, uh, Peryipe taking form of the dragon, uhm, and some people, I don't know, I don't think there's anything to it, really, I think he's just-


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[Assistant] It's not, it's not indicative of Perryite's power or anything. It's not like Lycan, you know, I don't think it's indicative.


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[Assistant] But yeaah, I think, uh, that's it, Drew. Any closing notes? You have anything?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the thing that's really interesting about the Birdman is that originally it seemed like they could speak to the Oldmer in Old Maris. So they were calling out to them in their own language, but really they're more just like one of those birds that mirrors speech without actually understanding what they were saying, like a liar bird or a mockingbird or something like that.


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[Assistant] Which I find quite cool, and then obviously Topol kind of gave them the, the secret of literacy, taught them to speak their own words and write with their taloned feet. And in exchange, they gave him, uhm, basically the islands and the area where the Imperial City sits today, so it was a pretty good trade.


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[Assistant] There's heaps of stuff with that, and obviously also the umbral, the unfeathered and things like that who would only have that title if


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[Assistant] Being feathered was the norm, I guess. I mean, there's these theories that the aliens and the, uh, bird people or bird men are actually related, like biologically, like they were interbred with them or there's even a theory that's like they were them, but I don't, I don't really like that one. Yeah. It doesn't stack.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's one of, that's one of the theories. So there's, there's one that says that the birdmen were made extinct in general just by the cat demons or I guess Khajiit ancestors that were also in the area at the time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then the other idea, I think it's from, it's from the Leowyn Coast Guard, who, who speaks to you in Elder Scrolls for Oblivion, and what he says is that, he's kind of laughing, saying like, oh, they taught them the secrets of literacy, and it was great because it made them better slaves for the Alids. Uhm.


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[Assistant] So they could have just been slaves and died out. They could have interbred somewhat. There's no reason that they could have, like they couldn't have. It's just.


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[Assistant] You know, it wouldn't have been to a significant extent, I don't think.


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[Assistant] It's like, yeah, it's probably a bit, a bit of a stretch at first, but you never know. You never know. Uh, it is interesting to note though on the topic of all the, um, references to bird things. So there's the smashed viscera of elven faces, feathers and magic beads, which were the markings of the Aelodoon, um, from Palinal.


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[Assistant] Um, and the bull had fallen to a volley of bird beaks. There's a lot of quotes like this, although generally speaking, um, the elven kind of race in general, they have a lot of bird iconography. Like, I don't know if it is uniquely a lid.


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[Assistant] Like if you look at the elven armor in Skyrim, the helmet is basically a bird's head, the shield's like this big feathered thing, like there's feathers on everything.


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[Assistant] So do you think Umbral the Unfeathered could have been called that, uhm, just because his armor or something was different?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and they could also, I've also heard the idea that they killed these birdmen and wore their skins and stuff as cloaks and, and, you know, adorn the kind of, adorn different things with it with the feathers and, and things.


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[Assistant] There's also a third theory which I'll just put out there because on the Elder Scrolls podcast, we like to talk about every possible idea and not just throw them all in the bin.


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[Assistant] Although, while I don't think it's likely, there is this idea that it's referring to one of the old Argonian tribes that may have been spread around the place. I highly doubt it, but there is that tribe said to be winged.


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[Assistant] Sure, but I'm not talking about the alyds. I mean the, just the race of the birdmen themselves. Like the alyds can do whatever they want with their architecture. It doesn't mean that it's based on the birdmen. Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying.


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[Assistant] As a bit of description, they were described as brilliant, flightful creatures of glorious colors, feathered men, and as having taloned feet. So, they sound like they would have looked pretty interesting.


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[Assistant] Like, there's also a character in the Elder Scrolls Online who thinks she has a, what she calls a serodilic bird person skull.


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[Assistant] Although it's another scholar in her group swears it's a tera bird, which is just a large bird of prey found in Northern elsewhere. And I just get the vibe that that would be the case as well, seeing as there's no trace seemingly of this race of beast folk that have since been exterminated from the face of Tamriel.


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[Assistant] Even though, even though that's usually just used to describe the human race as like lizard men was, you know, Argonians were called that at one stage, but harpies seem to be entirely like, um, female in, in their makeup and appearance. But I think we're safe to move on from the.


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[Assistant] The Birdmen of Cyrodiil. To the centaurs. To the centaurs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the centaurs, like, they always are in every depiction, basically have the lower body of a horse and the upper body of a really strong muscular man, basically.


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[Assistant] They look really cool and there's the, I don't know if you're talking about the Elder Centaur card specifically, but in due to that, we actually hear Centaur dialogue.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so they're capable of saying a bunch of aggressive lines.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can agree with that, especially if they look a bit elven in the art. Um, I will actually say on the topic of the old ways, it's interesting that the Nords and the Mormons kind of have the same thing, like the old ways religion, which is different, but.


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[Assistant] Um, yeah, I mean, they, they really say it like the old ways, like the phrase over and over again, they don't just casually throw it away, but that's a completely different thing. So yeah, just to be clear, we're talking about the Sijic.


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[Assistant] It makes me wonder if perhaps they did master mysticism magic as well because they were already said to be extremely dangerous on any battlefield, like skilled with bows and spears. I mean, we know how dangerous just a man is on horseback.


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[Assistant] So when you combine that with a horse and just fuse it permanently and give, not, not just so you don't have to control the horse, you are the horse. So you have a lot of mobility, like.


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[Assistant] Well, the interesting thing about their intelligence and stuff anyway, if we're trying to figure out their origins and what they are, is they're intelligent enough in one account to be invited to some revelries in Valenwood.


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[Assistant] So it's like a big celebration with food and drink and dancing and singing. And there's a variety of guests there, like Imgur even, but one of them is a family of centaurs.


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[Assistant] Which is quite interesting, and we know they can speak, so they're not just, uh, they have their own language as well apparently called Centaurian.


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[Assistant] For sure, and, and there's also, if you look at the Daggerfall user guide, uh, it talks about how they have varied personalities. And there's legends of their exploits ranging from, uh, the epic to another word, which I don't want to say because I don't want to get demonetized, but you know, like there's- The pronographic. Yes.


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[Assistant] I guess I'll also say, which we probably should have said at the start if you didn't say it,


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[Assistant] All of the, uh, beast folk that are lesser known that we're going to be talking about today, it's not going to involve things that were kind of created from a curse, like the Hag Ravens. You know, like they're specifically a beast race, almost.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of the ones you fight in Daggerfall are, you know, just have big pecs and abs.


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[Assistant] And like I was saying, there was also a family of centaurs present at this supposed celebration, so.


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[Assistant] I find the art style a lot more, uh, interesting, like the kind of octopus, almost to me like a squid.


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[Assistant] That was depicted almost much more, uh, crustacean in form, like all spiny and ultimately, uh, you know, the story of the ruddy man and whatnot, but his shell basically is, uh, left behind and then discovered.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I've done some diving in Skyrim and found absolutely nothing. You know- Some slaughterfish. You know, I also did a huge dive around the water of the Shivering Isles just because I thought that that's somewhere no one would have explored. Like no player would have explored like the most off-reach of the sea in the Shivering Isles. I found absolutely nothing.


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[Assistant] Can you imagine how scary it would be to steal a drag egg?


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[Assistant] And then they just come for you in the night, like especially if you live on a farm, it's not like you're up in some castle. They just migrate over to wherever you've taken that egg. Yeah. That would be so creepy.


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[Assistant] It's just the most Australian thing I've ever heard. We would call dregs billies if they


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[Assistant] I was with you until you said related to spider daedra. They definitely could be related to an older dreg that was more intelligent overall and you know, like we talked about, but the idea of them being related to spider daedra to me just feels like nah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I like, you know, it's like centaurs are described like, you know, or they have the top half this body and that it's like, are they related to spider danger? It's like, no. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Well, hit us with the, uh, the ruddy man. So basically Molek Baal was like a giant crustacean, always in that form.


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[Assistant] And when the dead carapace of Baal was dropped into the world from his interactions with Vivec, this kind of child from Nisus, is that how you pronounce it? I always say Nisus, wore it to Skerri's village like, oh, I'm wearing this shell, but instead became the ruddy man.


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[Assistant] Which is like this really, how would you describe the ruddy man? Just this creepy.


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[Assistant] We need to see the concept art. The concept art's really cool.


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[Assistant] And no doubt Vivec was victorious and then gave the carapace to the queen of the drag. So there was like a drag queen. Vivec's like, here's the carapace. Um, I believe it was given to God.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're very, they're very scary. Honestly, one of the most intimidating looking things I could imagine fighting in real life.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of stuff there. I guess, does anyone else have anything to say or shall we move on to the Harpy?


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[Assistant] Alright, well the harpies are basically these huge female humanoid birds, I suppose, who are very aggressive.


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[Assistant] They lay eggs, they have nests. They pretty much like everything a bird would like, you know, like rocky cliffs and crags that facilitate nesting and they feast on flesh no matter what kind, kind of like a scavenger, whether it's a week old or it's fresh, they'll eat it.


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[Assistant] And very scarily, they're known to kidnap, mate with, and destroy human males.


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[Assistant] Well, it could perhaps, I mean, unless this is obviously implied, but they breed with mortal men that they capture and, and do it with.


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[Assistant] I think it could just be used to describe the fact that they're all female and that the oldest elder female is the one the most revered and looked up to and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Maybe, but I mean they're also pretty physically imposing. I don't know how much trouble they'd have. You know, like they're very powerful and they attack in groups, so I don't know.


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[Assistant] I also, by the way, I looked up matriarchal and there's like two main definitions. One of them is what you're just saying where it's like women lead the society. But then there's also a second one where it actually says denoting an older woman who is powerful within a family or organization, like specifically denoting an older woman. So.


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[Assistant] You know, that could just be the fact that they, uhm, are led by the oldest, Harpy, among the group.


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[Assistant] So I'm not sure if that's a mistake or whether I just didn't find it. I know, like, this is a weird thing, but they're not all just, uh, vicious and hate everyone basically. So there's actually a story of an Argonian having a relationship with a Harpy.


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[Assistant] Like a non-violent one. Right. Yeah. So basically I'll read you the story.


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[Assistant] Four months ago, I was exploring just off the shores of Glenumbra looking for any sunken items that I could sell when I overheard the loud cries of a harpy. I came ashore to help. To my surprise, I did not find some astray tourist under attack by a flock, but the reverse.


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[Assistant] A single harpy matron, the ones with dark feathers and jewelry, so there's another societal example that they have jewelry.


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[Assistant] I have been visiting her each week and each time I leave, she seems even sadder to see me go. I have made up my mind to make this relationship permanent. While I know how others will see it, I'll willingly take their insults. But my greatest concern is that the goddess of affection will see our love as blasphemous or tainted.


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[Assistant] And then there's an answer, uhm, basically explaining how Dibella just sees, you know, no matter the seed, if the shoot is nurtured with love, will not the flower be beautiful? So they're not just, uh, angry birds.


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[Assistant] You know, they're not just Drew's favourite mobile game of all time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the story with that is basically that they come to a castle, I assume, where there's a baron, and they, you know, they're, so basically they craft lies, curses, murders, and suicides to hurt the people of Laenlin, using their beauty as a weapon to drive men to mayhem.


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[Assistant] And then their leader seduces the unnamed Baron of Laenlin.


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[Assistant] And then the Baron slays the giant bird, calls in the cook, feeds it to the other followers.


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[Assistant] And now Laneland Castle has turned into an orgy-filled den of decadence.


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[Assistant] But given the fact that they now have eggs,


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[Assistant] And carry on breeding new harpies. It's like they are a proper beast vote creature.


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[Assistant] The leader in this story is called Noctura.


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[Assistant] And you could easily look at that and kind of get nocturnal from it, who is usually portrayed, you know, as holding two black crows and being this beautiful but dark woman. You know, there's, um, seems to be some relationship there, at least in the tail.


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[Assistant] Well, and that's where the Marikardi Selectives come from as well. Yeah, exactly. Like his name, Maruk. Yeah. And, and he's, he's also the one with the law, pretty savage law, right? He wrote, everyone is guilty until proven innocent. Like that was one of the rules that they had.


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[Assistant] I feel like there's examples where that's not the case. I just, I just feel like there's been like quests and things where it's like looking for evidence or stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but anyway, the Imgur in general are super...


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[Assistant] Super wacky I guess in terms of their personality, like imagine these apes, you know, walking around and they have these really deep voices, but then they're trying to speak all like posh with perfect enunciation and manners and things like this. And apparently as well,


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[Assistant] Altma kind of find them funny, like they don't see the imitation as like, respectable.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine they would. And they give themselves titles that they use when talking as well to the elves, like Baron or Duke, but they don't actually own any land.


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[Assistant] As we were saying, they have capes that they perfume the corners of to hide the smell of men, but they're kind of pretending that they find the smell of men to be really like, gross.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And like I said, anyway, in that story, the Imgur are said to have been there at the celebration with Wood Elves, Centaurs, Imgur. So they were pretty integrated into the society and they've said to be like, they have been said to have been around for a really long time. Same as the Centaurs. I don't know if that was mentioned, but they're ancient and always have said to have been there.


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[Assistant] For sure. I mean, the text just says they were there even before the war elves were there. So we just don't know. We just don't know. And it's anyone's guess as to how different races got where they were really.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess the thing there to note, which is interesting about Imgur biology is like real life, they're very, um, dexterous and good at climbing and they basically climb up the trees and then jump for the kalupi on the most slenderest of branches.


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[Assistant] Could they have been made from the ooze, like Drew's theory about the centaurs?


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[Assistant] Put it up. Put it up. Just say no. That's it. Just flew over. Obscure reference. That's our official theory. It's also interesting with the Imgur that there's no, uh, like remnant of their society or anything.


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[Assistant] Like there's, uh, one of the things where it's like Lady Clarice Laurent answers your questions and basically saying, um, it's interesting that there's an absence of artifacts, um, in like from Imgur, like they should still be around making or using tools. Like why are there no signs of them, even if they've left?


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[Assistant] I thought you were about to say the semitour's got AK-47s. But yeah, 100%. And I guess as well, if they're nowadays, uh, kind of like a race that,


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[Assistant] Uh, copies other races and imitates the Altmer. A lot of the things that they would be using and wearing are probably elven in origin anyway. Like they're not like wearing Imgur clothes. They're wearing elf clothes that I don't know how they would make them fit. Maybe they custom do a custom fit, but based on the concept art, it looks like that'd be rough.


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[Assistant] I say lamia. I mean the thing as well is, in Elder Scrolls Online, they just do whatever they want. They're chaotic.


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[Assistant] It kind of reminds me of Argonians in a way, like eggs and focus on that as well. Not saying they are Argonians, uhm, although interestingly, if you look at their names, they do look a little bit more Mesoamerican, like a little bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. And they also have a similar philosophy to that of the modern Argonian as well. Like they choose not to erect permanent structures or cities of their own because, you know, there's no point. Although that's more so they can just occupy the ruins left behind by man or mer. And also venerating like, you know, eggs and, and that kind of theme.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they don't, they, they do look a bit more like there, there's this idea that they could be like a hist experiment, like the hist, uh, tried to uplift the snake, but it doesn't really explain why they're all female unless the hist had some interesting designs in mind.


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[Assistant] Um, they, they also, interestingly though, it also what goes against that. And again, it's just food for thought, but the Daggerfall ones are way more human. They're literally just a naked woman with a snake bottom half, like a snake mermaid. But then in Elder Scrolls Online, they're just like all serpentine looking.


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[Assistant] With Kona and the barbarian leading them and things like that. Yeah. 100%. 100%.


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[Assistant] I just think the idea generally is like, why build something if there's already these environments that we can inhabit and suit us perfectly. I mean, like some other races, they are cold blooded and they like lounging in the sun. Like they're snakes, they don't need


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[Assistant] They don't need that much. Although, like you said, they are intelligent. They just don't desire to build, like, um, grand societies and things like that.


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[Assistant] They, they are interesting. There's, again with the society thing that I was saying, there's a quote that's saying uhm,


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[Assistant] You must be from one of these, uh, societies basically, which has led local models to conclude that building equates to advancement of some sort. You know, like, that they don't necessarily see, uhm, building a society as more advanced.


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[Assistant] I assume that they're actually kind of like hermaphrodites, really. Because there are some snakes that are, so I assume they can just kinda like produce their own eggs and protect them and things like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like everything's based on a snake. So one could only assume that that's how that all works, you know?


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[Assistant] And by the way, one last quote I've got on that same topic of civilization. It's the human and elves so silly, they set up city after city, surrender to struggle and discord and succumb to the scourge of strife. The sequel, expanses of ruins, all set for snatching. It's simple. Um, edifice assembly is for suckers. So. There you go.


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[Assistant] Oh, I saw your notes before. Fox people dead. Yeah, they gone. Fox people gone.


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[Assistant] Well that's the thing, out of all of the lesser known beast folk that we're talking about in this podcast, they have the least amount of information on them. They're just vulpine creatures.


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[Assistant] For sure, especially as a nomadic group, why would you name yourself out of one of the places that you kind of built a settlement at?


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[Assistant] Although it is interesting as a nomadic group that they were all wiped out by this flu, you'd think that some would be spread out in further places that may not have, I know it ravaged like everywhere, but you'd think there could be some survivors.


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[Assistant] And they need to bring back stronger, I know we've said this before, but stronger racial bonuses and stuff. I really didn't like how in Skyrim they watered down the Argonians' poison and disease resistance and stuff.


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[Assistant] In Morrowind, in Morrowind, they were 100% immune to poison and 75% resist disease.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's the same in Oblivion, I'm pretty sure. Oblivion had a solid one too, I do remember that.


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[Assistant] But yea, Skyrims was definitely weaker. All it was, was 50% resistance to disease.


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[Assistant] Like I was, I was having a think about it and I was thinking, imagine, okay, we're all humans, right? We live in a society and there's a, and there's a bunch of other like beast races, there's elves, there's this, there's that.


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[Assistant] We became the outcasts and then they sent us out to live into the wild for thousands of years. We would degenerate into a pretty tribal state as well with no technology like our teachings and things would eventually like get watered down, watered down, watered down.


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[Assistant] For a thousand years, everything you know is when you see one of the other races, they attack you and think that you're big and scary.


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[Assistant] I never thought about it like that. But yea, 100% agree. I mean, if you just think about any group that gets exiled that severely is gonna have their attitudes and their personality changed over time. Like, there's no avoiding it.


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[Assistant] They're quite similar to orcs. In terms of their culture.


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[Assistant] Like you have a male with all the breeding rights, you have shamans, uhm, you know, for anyone to say their culture is primitive and that they're not an intelligent, uhm, beast race would have to say the same about orcs in many respects.


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[Assistant] Except they're, they're not, they're obviously viewed as like integrated into society and whatnot. So, you know.


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[Assistant] Kind of would explain where the concept of the man-bull comes from, right? Like if you have a bull and a human and you fuse them.


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[Assistant] For lack of better words, you get a man-bull, you know? Like, if you have a man-bull and a human, what makes Bellas a different to Morehouse, I guess, like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard to say cause it almost seems like it didn't make a big impact, but you can't know based on, like the butterfly effect could do anything.


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[Assistant] Oh, right, sorry. I'm more talking about how now Minotaurs exists. It's like, okay. Oh yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, um, I'm, I'm ready to talk about the Sload. This has been a Lauren podcast way longer than I thought.


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[Assistant] They have no empathy and they kill their children for soap. It's quite iniquitous. But yeah, I know it's not done with that mindset of like, ha ha ha, I'm so evil.


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[Assistant] I like one of my favorite things about the slowed, who are really disgusting, but


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[Assistant] I like how in all of their traditions and their myths and tales, instead of focusing on some hero that, you know, does some big brave thing and takes big risks, it's completely the opposite. All of their heroes are like careful planners who are really diligent and play the long game.


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[Assistant] And you know, they're really methodical and all of their villains are the ones who are kind of hasty. And that's why ultimately these slowed heroes win because they were careful, calculated and planned.


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[Assistant] Because they have civilizations underneath the water.


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[Assistant] Well, they had, they had airships as well, you know, like some rumors that they have airships carrying corpses from sentry to Thras, which benefits them because they are super involved with necromancy. They can use all magic, but necromancy tends to be their area of expertise.


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[Assistant] And they have no problems doing it. They have no, no problems with anything as long as it helps them reach their goals basically. Zero moral concerns.


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[Assistant] Well, apparently they can actually climb up walls and surfaces like slugs, like sticky, like they stick to it and just, you know.


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[Assistant] I mean, go, go check out, go check out our video, the fattest race and the oldest scrolls, or do you know the fattest race and the oldest scrolls? That was a fun video.


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[Assistant] That was a really fun video. They also, they, the slowed have a, well, at least we don't know for sure, but they seem to have a really strange, um, way of reproducing.


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[Assistant] So they're believed to be hermaphrodites in their youth, though the sexual organs seem to be absorbed by the time they are old enough to survive on land. I've also heard some story like of them.


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[Assistant] Going into the water and almost leaving their genitals on land or something and then coming back later to get them.


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[Assistant] That's some, yeah, that's some, that's some weird...


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[Assistant] Well, and it's not just soap to be clean though. The soap is used in there. Yeah. Like that's, that's super weird. I just found the quote.


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[Assistant] of, um, we do know, however, that the Slode of Thrust are hermaphrodites in their use, in their youth and later reabsorb their, so reabsorb their reproductive organs once they are old enough to move about on land.


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[Assistant] So that's really really strange. I feel like it would be one of the most disgusting, creepy, slimy societies to visit. You wouldn't want to touch anything there.


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[Assistant] They'll trick people as well. There's that, there's this idea that while they don't have emotions, they can teach themselves to emote in the same way as the other races in order to kind of gain favor with them. And to be more relatable while when really they're not there. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I'm sure they could throw up a bunch of like mage light kind of orbs, just throw them everywhere under the water.


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[Assistant] Sure, that could have just been when they, when I was talking about thrust sinking and that potentially being like part of the plan, like it didn't actually sink. Right. It could be like the tower flashes with this light and activates and then they just go, see you later.


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[Assistant] Who knows, but I think what you're saying, Scott, is actually the more accepted theory that they were just sunk and defeated. I just wanted to provide some, uh, alternative facts.


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[Assistant] You can get some slug mechanics going on. Go up on the roof upside down, start spellcasting.


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[Assistant] Well, that's all I've got to say on the lesser known beast racers. Do you two have anything else to add before we wrap this up?


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[Assistant] Thanks for watching and let us know in the comments what we missed and what you want to hear more about, remembering the criteria that we want it to kind of be like a lesser known beast race, not necessarily like a cursed.


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[Assistant] You know, does it breed? Does it lay eggs? Things like that are really interesting. But yeah, thank you so much. Social media links are in the description and, uh, we look forward to nerding out with you all again very soon.


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[Assistant] What is up, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet, we're here.


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[Assistant] Michael and Drew, I'm Scott and today we are discussing the top 10 gods. Uh, we're gonna go through every single god but we've got a few exceptions and I'm gonna sort of, uh, lay out the ground rules here. So, we're not doing any Daedric Princes because we already ranked them in episode 2.


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[Assistant] Plus, they'd probably top the list way too easily. So, also no Anu, Padme, Anuel, Sithus, or any of the variations of the Primordial Forces because they're not like


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and, and Vec would win, but you know, but look, they're all basically, they're too strong of a character. Like they're a very real mortal character rather than the sort of like abstract god-like kind of thing that the Aedra and others are. So it would be sort of an unfair, uh, playing ground.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we're also not gonna do demigods, so things like morrow house and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, proper, proper gods. Uhm, and to make the list reasonable size, because if you were to look at the big list of gods, there's heaps even outside the Daedra, but we are counting cultural variations in that one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, slot. So basically, if it's Lorkhan, we're also factoring in Shazaar and Shor, or for Kinnareth, we're factoring in Kain and Kanathi, and like, basically, every cultural interpretation all counts as the one entity which we'll be ranking.


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[Assistant] Yep, and uhm, the other thing is, this is not a power list, this is not, this is basically all subjective.


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[Assistant] When we're factoring in things just our subjective coolness factor, but also things like the rituals or the culture around them, their followers, just their spheres in general, and also their multiple cultural interpretations.


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[Assistant] Uh, like we just said, but uhm, I think that just about covers everything, so we're gonna go through this big list of gods we've created alphabetically, and we're gonna decide if they get into a top 10, and then we're going to sort of unanimously decide on this top 10, then we're gonna rank them.


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[Assistant] Specifically. So, let's get to it. Starting in alphabetical order with Akatosh slash Alkosh slash Auriel, the time god of the Aedra.


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[Assistant] I think it's just a given, it's top 10. Um, cause we'll go into deeper discussion on all of these once we actually get through the top 10 as well.


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[Assistant] Interpretation, but that's kind of like mixed in with a little bit of Malacath.


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[Assistant] Well, let's just, let's just stay on RK slash talk. What do you guys think? I'll let you guys, let's go first.


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[Assistant] Like I would, uh, for me, I would definitely say top 10 also because of the Yakutian interpretation, like Tuwaka. Um, but yeah, we can talk about that later, but I just really like, I think it's a cool God, you know? Is that, is that the?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's before he was running, um, before he was ferrying the, um, the spirits to the afterlife before mortality was there. He was just the God of no one. Nobody really cares. So, but let's go on to then. So that can go in the top 10 or maybe. Yeah.


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[Assistant] We, I mean, we can put it in the maybe pile, but I'm still unsure. He's gutted. No, no, no, honestly. Well, like if it was a person, like.


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[Assistant] That's the one thing we have to consider though is there's outside, there's a few of them that are really detailed, but there's a lot of these gods here that are just going to be like they're one liners or a little bit about them or they were just sort of like not really mentioned anymore. They were mainly Daggerfall kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Like this cool sound of like that, like, originated in Yakuda during the 27th Snake Folk Slaughter. I wonder if that's referencing Seiyasi somehow. Like if they are, like, you know, that's the only Snake Folk we sort of know of.


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[Assistant] In the top 10. But I do just really wish that it is actually one of my, like, favorite of the... Sounding gods. Yeah, like just there's some cool stuff to it. And I like the idea that, um,


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[Assistant] He brought the orichalcum weapons to the Yakudans and so on. I feel like that's something that's just not really talked about as much is the sort of orichalcum focus of Yakuda and like with orichalc tower, but also bringing them those weapons, but also because I did this in the, in the video about it a while ago about the armor type, but orichalcum.


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[Assistant] Is like actually a real mysterious metal in our real life. It was like a, I think they speculated it was a type of bronze or something, but our real world, like I guess mythology or like what Plato and stuff said about it.


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[Assistant] Um, about Atlantis, Atlantis had like high, like lots of sources of these.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but also like the creativity and stuff and the beauty and stuff is like the sort of like, you know, arts and so on. Like not just, it's not just the sexual dynamic that's often talked about.


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[Assistant] I was, I was just saying that if you, if you think about, um, it's just interesting, like out of, compared to like most Abrahamic religions, which are very like sexually conservative, it's interesting that in a, um, in this sort of fantasy realm, you have a God that's very, um, forward with it. Like they actually have whole like,


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[Assistant] You know, uh, what do they call them? I forget the name. They're just the Debellan Arts and so on. And then they have that kind of, like their practitioners actually lack a very active about it. And, but also touching on the creativity thing too, like I like the brush of true paint. That's exactly what I like.


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[Assistant] And I just like, as a general rule, you know, I'm a sucker for aesthetics besides talking


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[Assistant] You know, the obvious, but I also like the, um, in ESO there's these DiBella's doll masks and stuff like that. And they're sort of like kind of Venetian-y style masks and so on. But you can just imagine, or at least I do, her realm in general, just encapsulating all sort of like.


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[Assistant] Aesthetic creativity and stuff like that. And you know, beauty, which is that, and I dunno, to me I really like that. Me too.


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[Assistant] I know these aren't Daedric Princes. A lot of the gods aren't going to sound super cool except for a few, like, but there are, um, but yeah, I like the sentence


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's also interesting that she's actually a, um, human.


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[Assistant] Uh, god. Well, like, or Atmore in origin, or they came through the nords or so on. She's not actually in the original Elven pantheons.


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[Assistant] There's also the whole ebony warrior connection and so on, which isn't explicit. Like the- But it's implied. Yeah. Um, I, I do, I do like, um, ebonarm a lot. I've also always speculated at least, I thought like, you know, raemon ebonarm as in R-E-Y-M-O-N.


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[Assistant] Because he's really popular in Hammerfell, but like after the Second Empire and so on, but like, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Cause it, cause I've always thought of Ebonarm doesn't, cause he's very popular in, in Hammerfell, and he doesn't seem very Yakudan by his description to me at least, I dunno, like, I just never really associated Ebony Armor and a Fused Sword, like, and the big tower shield and stuff, like, the big heavy, uh, heavily armoured knight, also with, um, what was it, like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, reddish blonde hair and steel blue eyes doesn't sound very Redguard to me. And I, so I've always


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[Assistant] That always confused me a little bit, but like, I didn't know exactly where.


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[Assistant] I agree, definitely have an, um, uh, contender up there.


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[Assistant] I really like the concept of him, the like perseverance over infidels for the Yakudans. I like the sort of idea that it's this sort of manifestation that comes. I just don't think it is, there's not enough for it to be like top 10 material in my opinion, just because I know it came as like,


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[Assistant] There's some cool stuff around it about like the Elder Scrolls Adventures Redguard, um, story where he's like the sword or sword, crown, prince or both. Um, but like, it's a cool concept, but it's, you know how it's kind of becomes like vague. It's just like, oh, the Yakudans, we're going to win God. That makes sense.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which is a really cool thing, but I just, it doesn't become like top 10 material. I guess it's just not enough. And it's also, sorry, I was just going to say it feels more like a force rather than an individual, especially because it has avatars. Like it's less, there's less personality to it.


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[Assistant] There might be some theory-crafting thing. Yeah, okay, yeah, maybe I'm too deep. But like, um, yeah, uh, like, you know, um.


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[Assistant] We can put it in the maybe pile if you want, but I just feel like there's still a lot to go through.


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[Assistant] Have you, has someone actually, has someone been like, uhm, doing like, keeping all of these in the maybe pool? Yes, yes, yes. You have? You're doing it? Cool. I assumed you were, but then I, I realized like, I never explicitly said it.


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[Assistant] Julian. Yeah, uhm, or Junal. Who, for me, Junal makes him cooler. I like the idea of the owl thing and I like him being the uhm,


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[Assistant] What is that? Hold on, I've got to find that specific. It's Hermetic orders or something. Yeah, I just like that because that's, you know, like Hermeticism in real life and the philosophy. It's kind of like, it's just tying the magic worship to a philosophical sort of,


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[Assistant] Take on it a bit more rather than just, oh, Magicka powers and like, associated with a mage's guild instead, it's that sort of like,


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[Assistant] More magical magic, you know what I mean? It's vague and unexplained. That's at least the vibe I get from him.


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[Assistant] But at the same time, I don't even know, I don't know, I think there's a lot of other gods I'd prefer over Juliana's because there's not that much on them. And Junal, it's only one of their interpretations really which vibes with me.


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[Assistant] Interestingly, he's also, uhm, I'm pretty sure he's an Atmoron-derived god, like, Julianos is only from...


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[Assistant] Agreed. Alright, next is Kynareth, slash Kanathi, slash Kain, slash Tarva. Absolutely top ten.


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[Assistant] Well, let's, uh, move on then. We'll talk about that later. Lek-y.


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[Assistant] Yeah. All right. That's an out. Lorcan, sure. It's a hundred percent an in. Top 10. Okay, let's move on. All right. Manamaco slash Necromancers moon.


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[Assistant] So that's, that's as in, uhm, Manamaco becoming, uhm,


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[Assistant] With, uh, in the warp in the west, where the big dragon break happens and there's sort of like all of the multiple variations of, uh, of time, but reconciled into a single timeline. We, uhm, Mannimarco both becomes a god and then remains mortal. And that's the one you see in Oblivion.


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[Assistant] The, I'm pretty sure, I just want to double check, but I'm pretty sure he's said to be the next, it's called the Necromancer's Moon as well, and he circles Arkay, the planet? Hold on.


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[Assistant] Nah, because, because he essentially just becomes...


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[Assistant] In his god form, yeaah, he's like, he's just this moon, he's, he's form ascended to godhood, has taken the rightful place in the sky and hides the enemy arcane from us so that we may serve him. Uh, this is about the order of the worm, black worm. It's also called, so the revenant or the necromancer's moon, but it's sort of like, yeaah, it's a divine form, but


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[Assistant] That's actually what they're using to make black soul gems in an altar, using the power of the god, but like, there's not enough there to really, like the lich is called Manic Marco himself, but that's the, the.


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[Assistant] Well, mortal, he's a lich, but- Immortal version. The non-divine version, you know? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.


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[Assistant] Ah, well I had Magnus next, I've just, uh, I've just had to mix it up, you know, keep you on your toes. Uhm, well Magnus is a hole in the sky. Expand guys, what do you think?


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[Assistant] Yep, bye Magnus, bye bye. Did I make it? Alright, next one, Mara. I'd love to hear what you guys think first.


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[Assistant] But it's not that simple because she was not the wife of Shaw, which is interesting. She was the concubine of Shaw, which I, and this is something I find interesting. I put in the.


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[Assistant] Pretty sure I was in the secrets of it more video when I was sorta trying to make sense of the timeline and reconciling some elements, but you have


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[Assistant] You know, in Nordic mythology, the elven pantheon of gods are taken very literally to be like the enemies of the human gods, the Nordic gods, so they're at opposition. And Mara exists in the elven pantheon as the god of love and wife of Auriel, supposedly and so on, but then,


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[Assistant] I kind of like, at least this is my kind of headcanon-ish kind of interpretation, but I like the idea that he, she,


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[Assistant] Uh, concubine, so I sort of like the idea that she's, and, and just, you know, with her sphere being compassion and love that she's kind of gone over to the, uh, to the side of men.


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[Assistant] Question, how many have we got bro? How many have we got in the top maybe pile?


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[Assistant] I think, I think, I just think that Mara's like, I like her presence in the Elven and Nordic pantheons and how they, she fills different roles and how you can kind of make it into one thing.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, she, she is the same, same god, I mean, just...


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[Assistant] In the, like the hierarchy that they've got. Do you know what I mean? I like the, like the wife versus concubine kind of thing.


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[Assistant] Oh, she's also the, um, handmaiden of Kain as well. So she's referring specifically her handmaiden as well.


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[Assistant] Let's go. All right. Okay. On C. Nup. Bone shaver. That's a no.


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[Assistant] I've got him in top 10. Yeah. I had him in top 10 and I think I still could but my only thing is, the only problem is


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[Assistant] Like he's living, all these, a lot of his accomplishments are done while living. Like, and then after he, and I guess, but in part, I guess that's related to his apotheosis. You could argue that it is related because it's only because he was such an amazing, brilliant thief that he became the God anyway. So it is kind of. Yeah, cause he's like a cultural God.


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[Assistant] No, well, cause it's more directly, I guess more directly they'll go the Mantella and the Dragon Break is what allowed him to ascend.


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[Assistant] Like if you were like, do you know what I mean? Like he, like he's cool, but it's like, in some ways he's just the, he's just a khajiit.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's really, it's like, it's like anything. I feel like this is a lot like the case with a lot of the gods is that you can read like the, like, I love the idea of the stealing Kintira's tattoo from her neck and the little things like the mythological sounding stuff always gets me. But.


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[Assistant] Really though, if you compare, like you could compare to some of the redguard gods as well. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here, like I agree, I do like the god, but...


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[Assistant] You could also go to some of the other gods with small amounts of information and say, Oh, well, like it sounds heaps of mythological and cool and poetic, but do you, do you know what I mean? Like we, it's really kind of on the same. Yeah. Okay. I think that's.


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[Assistant] I think, because some people really like it, I think some people might be a little bit miffed with that one, but I actually kind of, I would probably go maybe. I could maybe or- Okay.


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[Assistant] If in doubt, we'll do maybe, but I'm pretty sure I always, when I did the top 10 for myself, I put them like right towards the bottom. Um, for that reason, but yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I want to throw my two cents real quick. Uhm, I think Riemann is as a culture god and sort of of the second empire is.


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[Assistant] Not that interesting because if we're trying to actually separate his apotheosis from his accomplishments, because he was kind of, it's not as, like from my understanding, it's not as explicit as, as the understanding that like, you know, Talos became the ninth divine.


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[Assistant] Instead, it's a bit more like Reman, they sort of worshiped him as the culture god in the same way that the sort of like real Romans started worshipping their emperors after death and saw them as divine, but it's different if it kind of makes sense, like it's not as...


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[Assistant] I don't think Ream and Cyrodiil was worshipped on the same, on par with like the ninth divine Talos kind of thing. Yeah. From my understanding at least.


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[Assistant] And, like, you know, if we're being fair, like, all, you know, to be honest, Reamon the first.


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[Assistant] The part that I like about it, I guess that would go in his favor, is once again the mythological sort of story about his birth, uhm, in the Reminada, but...


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[Assistant] That's kinda all it's got going for me as, in terms of as a god, not an emperor, as the god worshipped after death. So, is that a no for you guys?


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[Assistant] The low-key reason is I think like low-key Ebon arm and Sai are sort of retconned. They're just not, they're not explicitly, but I don't think they're ever going to be mentioned again.


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[Assistant] Because it kind of had it like, I think when Daggerfall started, it was a bit more of a generic fantasy. So like, you know, Ebon arm, for example, is listed as the enemy of all Daedra and so on. And it kind of had a bit, they had a, it wasn't as like, um, I guess nuanced to someone. It was a bit more like.


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[Assistant] There's some Daggerfall stuff that you kind of take with a grain of salt. Like for example, like Molag Bal is said to, I'm pretty sure it's Molag Bal is said to be an ally of Azura.


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[Assistant] Because these are all the descriptions from, from Daggerfall, but you know, if you, once you've the Morrowind laws out and you've got the four corners of the house of troubles and stuff, that doesn't really make sense. And it doesn't really, or, or like, I think there was like,


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[Assistant] There was an interesting one with Mephala being allied with someone, which I'm like, oh, okay. Uhm, but uhm, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I'll be honest, like, there's some cool parts, like, I like this, uhm, the explanation of, uhm, of the baby and stuff in Skyrim and how he brought all the luck to the Nords and that's why they spread to the Empire and early history and what not. But, uhm,


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[Assistant] It's just still not, I don't know, not my top 10, not my flavor exactly, like it doesn't...


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[Assistant] Alright, well look, just put it in the maybe pile for now, or we'll go through the rest, but I feel like we'll be knocking that one from the maybe pile quick smart.


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[Assistant] Different chapters of the same book. Well, let's, let's just go on then and we'll, let's look at Stendar slash Stun. Okay. For me, Stendar is...


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[Assistant] I really like, it's just one of those things that's really nice in all the pantheons. I love how in the Elven pantheon it's seen as the apologist of men.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then obviously I like the Nordic take on Stornes like instead of there, I'd cause you know, he's a God of mercy and justice, but he's a God of ransom. I just think that's really cool. Like that's the Nordic way of mercy is ransom instead of execution. You know what I mean? Or something like that.


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[Assistant] I also like, I don't know why, I just like his, uh, little statue, the pouring of the, the- Oh, it's taken from real world stuff, isn't it? Uhm, it could've been, I can't-


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, so yeaah, let- agree, Drew?


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[Assistant] I'm fine with him being top 10. Okay, fine, but he's not in your top 10. I'm interested. Alright, let's hit Syravain then.


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[Assistant] I don't think he did much. I'm not that interested. He's just the patron of young mages, basically. He helped during, he helped fight the slurred, but... I don't know. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Right. But I just knew you'd have Trunamac up there.


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[Assistant] Um, I'm happy to put him in the contender pile, but, um, he's too, we can get into this later. I just find him kind of like straight forward. That makes sense. He's just an elven night God essentially.


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[Assistant] Yeah, although he is, um, up there even in power, like consider that, you know, Boethiah and Mephala or one or both of them had to trick him to deceive him, to beat him and, you know, shit him out and turn him into Malachat.


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[Assistant] But, uh, okay, next up is Sun. Um, I do want to just add a note here is that they're in, I think it's just in the varieties of faith that he is eluded, there's an eluded to connection between him and Zenithar, but I don't think it's strong enough to really warrant putting them together. So I feel like it's almost just like, oh, it kind of fits the eight or whatever, but, um, Sun is, uh, he's dead. That's why he's in Sovngarde.


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[Assistant] Not top 10. Not top 10. Agreed. I do like, I do like him. Like he, he's like one of those lesser gods that if you read about in other mythologies, he kind of just feels like the...


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[Assistant] This isn't, I guess this isn't fair and I'm not even less a god, but you know, the uhm, oh my god, I forgot his name. The river man on the river sticks in Greek mythology, the ferryman. It just kind of feels like that cause he's guarding him from, no, I think he is literally just called the ferryman. It's the river sticks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's uhm, I think it's pronounced Caron, like, but it's C-H-A-R-O-N. Okay. Whatever. That dude. It kind of gives me that vibe. He's like, because now he's just guards the whalebone bridge. He's kind of sphere of what he does is very.


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[Assistant] You know, simple, straightforward. So, uh, yeah, that's a, that is a no from me.


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[Assistant] Everything you just said, I totally agree. I like it, but it's just, it's, and this is kind of what we'll have to work out, but it's the same thing. It's like, really, there's not much said about him. It's like, sounds like there's that mythological sentence. And I'm a sucker for that too. I love those little mythological sentences, but if you want to put it on par with other gods in, in, in regards to like, like the amount of information, I guess. It's cool. And, and I,


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[Assistant] Somehow like, I don't know, to me at least he sounded a little bit cooler before Somerset. I was because he really drill in that he's like, he's less like Himaeus Morin, that sort of like.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Well, it's kinda like not, like, I guess, uhm...


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then what have we got left? Uh, Zenithar slash, oh sorry, Ifri.


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[Assistant] Um, for me, I'm kind of the same bro, like it's not necessarily, look, it's definitely not my favourite, like, nature god archetype, but, um, but, meaning, like, not disliking the archetype, just, I prefer Kinnareth, hands down over, um, but,


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[Assistant] I like, one thing that does put it a little bit higher for me is the songs and stories thing and having the spinners being their priests. I do like this.


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[Assistant] I like that whole, that makes him a little, gives him a little bit more spice, you know, rather than just, oh I'm the tree spirit kind of god of the forest that, with the green pact. And the green pact is cool and I guess it really hinges on him, but, I don't know, there's just something about vibes bro, I just,


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[Assistant] Let's go contender then. I mean, I put them over other contenders that are in there.


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[Assistant] Alright, look, let, let, let's keep going, are we all just gonna ditch Xenophar, is that how it's going, or does someone like him? Or is that gonna be the true number one?


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[Assistant] It's not particularly interesting. There's not that much really.


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[Assistant] How many have we got left in the thing? Cause we've gone through the list now. Cause we've got a lot, I feel like.


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[Assistant] Let's call out bye when we think gone. Call out if you think- RK and Bandar for me. RK and Bandar.


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[Assistant] Can we all agree on Bandar? Yea, Bandar's out. Alright. Okay.


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[Assistant] Sorry, what about, uh, we didn't have Juliana's, did we? No, no. Rajin? I'd probably


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[Assistant] No, I just, a lot of it is like what his order comes from, and like I said, to me, I kind of like the gods that, it's the same way that like Mara appeals to me, I like the idea that she's