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[Assistant] Um, and, and it's unfortunate because that's not the Yacht Club way, right? Like the quality of a standard of shovel knight through all of the treasure trove and, and through pocket dungeon, uh, those games, they had their bugs for sure, but like,


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[Assistant] None of them were game breaking. None of them stopped you from progression. None of them stopped you from completing the game or, or getting, um, certain achievements or trophies. Uhm. This is, this is Nitro though, right?


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[Assistant] And advertising the game and all that stuff. Um, but I, and I know that yacht club really has their hands in the process. Um, but you know, this is one of those games that like is on apple arcade, which means apple arcade probably paid a bunch of money to make sure that it came out on apple arcade in their time window, which meant that


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[Assistant] There probably was some crunch. There probably was some moments of like, Hey, we have to get this thing out sooner rather than later because, um, shovel light dig was announced.


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[Assistant] Almost a year before, uh, uh, uh, Dick did. So there's definitely, you can kind of feel it in, in the gameplay loop.


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[Assistant] You know how when you play stuff like, uh, Binding of Isaac into the Gungeon, uh, Hades, where it's like, oh man, I'm really synergizing with all of the random power-ups I'm getting.


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[Assistant] There's little to no synergy in the game when it comes to getting items, which is a big thing for me because to me, and I don't know how you guys feel about it.


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[Assistant] Roguelikes are about risk reward. They're also about breaking the game in that process of risk reward. It's about compounding snowball, right? You start the game, you're pushing a little snowball by the end of the game. Should you play well? Should you have good luck? You're going to have either a gigantic snowball that.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you do unlock things pretty quickly. You can unlock a majority of the playable items and such within the first few hours. Uhm, but the game is tough. It's not the easiest, especially because there is a true ending path. It's very, very, very vague to understand.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and of course I didn't run into that many bugs. The bugs I ran into were achievement based.


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[Assistant] So, for instance, uh, right now, in it's current build of the game, uh, I, uh, in my video, I've completed as much as I can. I have 99% completion on this game.


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[Assistant] It's because my last achievement that I have to get is beat the game under 25 minutes, which is a very common shovel knight achievement that's in all their games.


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[Assistant] You're gonna see tons of players reporting bugs, um, and, and stuff like, you'll enter a room and there's nowhere to go. There's just no, you enter a room and you're stuck. And how the game works is if you don't move after like 30 seconds, a buzz saw comes down and kills you.


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[Assistant] It's not bad by any means, right? It's a pretty solid B, B-, I would say. If I had to give it like a letter grade, right?


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[Assistant] A year from now, two years from now, when everything's patched out and fulfilled and they've added more bosses, more levels, more stages, synergies, new armors, it'll be a pretty hefty game by the time they're done with it. And I get the vibe that's what they're going for by the time that finish line comes for shovel knight dig.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can find me on youtube.com slash that one video gamer. I'm on G4 as, as.


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[Assistant] As right now, currently, uh, one of two hosts on X-Play, it's me and Adam Sessler holding down the fort in the interim, uh, as we figure things out over there.


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[Assistant] And, uh, next month, if you are in Los Angeles or you want to come to LA, I have a charity event called Indie land. We're doing it in person. You have some awesome guests. Um, the bigger, we have a big special guest, actually. AEW's Adam Cole will be a part of our crew. So if you like wrestling games and you like.


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[Assistant] I think there's an incentive this year to, to get a tattoo for me. So I'm not looking forward to that because I don't have a tattoo. So that's going to be crazy.


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[Assistant] Oh no, so kind of you to say incredible sense of humor, because I'm just like, you're giving me convalescence to just do terrible, terrible jokes. Yeah, say the worst things. Let's do it, please. That's why you're here. Thank you. Sit next to me.


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[Assistant] Gerard Khalil, you might know him as The Completionist, uh, host on G4. Basically, when I was, but even like kind of before I was in games, your stuff would just come up on YouTube and I'd be like,


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[Assistant] All of us for so long, but it's like just being with people who love and care for games as much.


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[Assistant] One of the biggest gaming fans I'm able to like, I'm an awe of all of you because you're all very articulate and able to speak about and talk about how much you love games in such an enthusiastic and infectious way. But you, all of you.


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[Assistant] E3s, and I have, you know, a very fixed idea of how an E3 runs, and so playdays,


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[Assistant] Key 3 felt like E3 in a lot of ways. It was really nice just to see everyone and catch up with everyone and get...


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[Assistant] I missed the feeling of just sitting down at a demo and not knowing what to expect or, you know.


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[Assistant] It feels, it feels, it just feels really nice. And like in terms of the showcases, it's a, again, a weird year because not a lot of stuff is ready.


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[Assistant] And so, I think the big hit, the big things that hit, hit really.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I think as well there is a volume problem in other ways.


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[Assistant] You know, Wholesome Games had, and I love Wholesome Games Direct, but it's like, had over 70, and then...


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[Assistant] Not every game gets the time it deserves, but then in a kind of curated hands-on event where you can spend more time and it's not just a minute 30 trailer, that's, that's the bit that I love.


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[Assistant] I would love it, because I know Xbox were doing, they did the FanFest thing, and they had Major Nelson's off in Australia, Graham Boyd's in, I think Madrid? And so I would love it if they had like little local ones, where you had the same games.


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[Assistant] We'll talk about Day of the Devs because that's easily my highlight, but it's like that kind of event. And then maybe, I don't know, a simulcast of whatever showcases are on. It could be really nice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but also it's like, I mean, from the content creation side of things, the media side of things.


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[Assistant] So your first, your first hands on, you were like getting to grips with it, your second was your, your speedrun, what was your third?


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[Assistant] Person? At all? When I just saw the hubbub around the IGN first stuff. When is it out?


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[Assistant] And they're like, oh well, they're on a show floor, they don't need sound. It's fine.


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[Assistant] So I was chatting to a friend of mine who works at Twitch and he went, yeah, so we're not allowed to show any Sonic. So I'm walking around basically, because the streamers can control where the camera goes. And they're like, I'm just walking around making sure that we don't get in trouble. Not this way, not this way.


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[Assistant] I remember when we worked with, uh, the Persona team, like, we showed, we worked with them very closely to, you know, make, get the interview and whatever, and they said, hey, can we see it before it goes up? Like, it wasn't any kind of hit piece, it was the audio logs, and they were like,


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[Assistant] I am, cause I am typically not a fighting game.


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[Assistant] Player. I used to play a bunch of Tekken. Oh nice, okay. I was a big Tekken fan with my friend Beth. We got like a copy of Tekken 4...3? And we just kind of played it over a summer.


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[Assistant] I know that I'm not gonna be good enough, but you know, listening to Tam, uh, talking about, and, and we were on the Game Informer podcast, uh, yesterday.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but they were all talking about it and just, you know, difference between, uhm, different skill levels, but they were all finding something enjoyable about it and that's, I think,


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[Assistant] Day of the Devs was easily my favorite thing to play days, uh, so it is a...


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[Assistant] At least yearly, I think it's like multiple times per year, but it's, uh, put together by Now I Am Ape It, but also with Double Fine, they're kind of the curators behind it and they just find.


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[Assistant] Loads of really cool games that might kind of not catch your attention otherwise they curate them and then they put them on like hands on events. And so there was Day of the Devs a stream after Jeff's thing on Thursday, and then they had eight or so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we were, we were talking to the, the, us too, cause uhm, British people will find each other. And I was, I was talking to Danny who's the creative director on


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[Assistant] Yes, yeaah. And uhm, he was saying, yeaah, we didn't realize we had like six minutes, so at the beginning of the day it would take us, you know, like three minutes to even explain the concept of the game, but by the end of the first day they were like, okay, a minute, and then you could


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[Assistant] But no, it was just a lot of really cool, interesting, like really quirky games. There was Time Flies. An incredible concept. It is just...


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[Assistant] Patcha. Oh, it's a patcha or- A rote- patcha or something? Rote or- or-


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[Assistant] But in terms of like the UI look very much like Stardew, the art style look very much like Stardew. Um, but instead of, you know, just having a farm or whatever, you, you basically invent.


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[Assistant] Uh, discoveries, which I thought was really cool, but my favorite was birth.


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[Assistant] So, Bear and Breakfast was also there, but I was like, I've had that wish list for ages, you know, I'm very excited about that, I'm about to birth. You're building a friend?


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[Assistant] It's the kind of puzzle solving game that I really enjoy. So Assemble with Care is one of my favorites. Us two did that. It's, uhm, Apple Arcade.


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[Assistant] Um, Florence, I guess as well, in that I, storytelling meets tactile and I really love that kind of interaction and I think Little to the Left had that same kind of puzzle solving, where you feel a real...


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[Assistant] I know it's video games, so there's... forgive me, but it's like the interaction with...


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[Assistant] The, the game itself with the, with the stuff that you're seeing and you can actually feel a change that you're, you're working towards. And so the puzzles that were in birth, the one that I was doing, like I was in a coffee shop and there was one of those creatures and they wanted a cup of coffee, except it wasn't coffee that you'd serve them.


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[Assistant] A lot of the games did have just, you know, simple inputs, but very satisfying, either puzzle solving or progression. And I love Day of the Devs for it.


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[Assistant] I went on Steam, uh, I should have been working, but I was like, and you know, front page placement, and I just went wishlist. Cause they're all just so...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it's hard to be an alien fan. Uh, but no, when I saw that and I, and I was watching it, I kind of went to myself, don't be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a kitchen level and there's frying pans in it. No, I asked him about that and he was like, yeah, we actually decided that like a year ago, but we realized that we hadn't told anyone, so we kind of had to just tweet it out.


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[Assistant] Mason and the numbers and, uh, Cold War and then the future.


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[Assistant] Good. I'm stoked, cause that's the, um, Vanishing of Ethan Carter team.


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[Assistant] No, I missed it because it was, uhm, it kind of came, the embargo I think broke, uhm, mid-summer game first, and so I haven't had a chance. I'm, I mean, I love XCOM 1 and 2, I think the team before X is very talented. I am suffering a bit.


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[Assistant] I'm intrigued by Midnight Sounds because I want it to be a fresh take and, you know, not the characters that I'm seeing all the time except that trailer ended with like, here's Doctor Strange in this outfit. Pre-order today. Pre-order now, you know, but I'm interested to see how it goes down.


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[Assistant] So steampunky, but obviously with magic and your, you know, this, this fey in it, so.


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[Assistant] The biomes and make the, I guess kind of the threats and what you'll expect to find when you get there.


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[Assistant] But the, the thing is as well, it's like, there's not really any...


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[Assistant] And so you get to invite who you want in. So unless you get, do you remember Kermit the Frog in Destiny? Oh.


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[Assistant] Do you remember when PlayStation 4 tried to do share play? And there was this kid who invited this random guy in from the internet and the only reason I remember in my brain is because the guy's name was Kermit the Frog.


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[Assistant] Those games are still fantastic, but I, I want, I want, I want another one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but you know, and like Batgirl I guess will probably be the one who plays the most like Bruce if you wanna go for that pure experience, but like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I want it to be good, I hope it's good.


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[Assistant] I dunno, Callisto 3 was the thing that I cared about and they got it out of the way early, so.


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[Assistant] There was definitely a sag in the middle of the show for me, and uhm, I did expect the Just One More Thing to be bigger.


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[Assistant] The arcane, the arcane Leica has logged on. Yeah, sure. I think it's very difficult. I'm with you, I'm with you. I think, I think it's very difficult to showcase a game like that because, and, uh, Tam and I interviewed Harvey Smith earlier today about it and, uhm,


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[Assistant] It's, we were talking about the fact that like, an arcane game is really what you as the player bring to it, and so if you are a player, I am the slow,


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[Assistant] I've always said like I will never stream an arcane game because it would be miserable to watch me play because I look at everything and I try and discover everything and figure out


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[Assistant] Every way I can, uh, achieve an objective. Uhm.


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[Assistant] You can see how you can make comparisons to Borderlands where it has the four different characters and each one of them has a robot and you know, each have their own abilities and whatever. But to showcase how it can be sneaky, sneaky, stealthy.


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[Assistant] You can do it by yourself or with other people, or then be all balls to the wall action with other people.


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[Assistant] Just your character. But like, as it's an arcane game and like they had this issue with Deathloop, is that sometimes I feel like they can be a bit too clever.


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[Assistant] For what, for easy marketing. And I think they're always gonna struggle with that because they're a very design folk-first studio.


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[Assistant] But I'm very intrigued by Redfall. I am a vampire enjoyer.


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[Assistant] Um, I think in terms of like fiction, there are so many interesting and cool things you can do with vampires and the way they're approaching their vampires is like, and...


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[Assistant] I don't know, see the parallels between the real world, I guess, but it's like the .1%, you know, they-


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[Assistant] Um, and then you have the kind of level of sycophants who want to be them, uh, and then you have, you know, you, and you have the kind of trying to rebuild and take back control.


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[Assistant] I'm intrigued by all of it when we were talking to Harvey earlier and he was like, yeah, you can stealth it. And I was like, okay.


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[Assistant] What I kind of hope is that I hope Arcane have actually made...


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[Assistant] We asked Keely, we did like a 20 questions video with him and we were like, what have you heard about ZolkZonk? And he went, oh, you know, we're always talking to people, but I heard they got hit pretty hard by pandemic. It was difficult, so.


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[Assistant] I mean, I was about to, I was about to reference a previous episode and I remembered it. Never heard.


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[Assistant] No, so Overwatch 2, doing what I guess we all thought it would, it's going free to play! Launching the multiplayer part of it in October, October 4th.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I think the most exciting thing for me, uh, that new hero, Janka- Janka Queen!


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[Assistant] Oh, you wanna learn about some lore? No, she's been in the game for a while, since I can't remember when they debuted the Junkertown map, but she is yelling at you throughout that entire map.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but she's been, uh, rumored to have been in it for a long time. Oh, okay, so this is like a big deal. Yeah, so, but also, uhm,


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[Assistant] But no, it's, it's very exciting, like honestly, when they were talking about Overwatch, uhm, in terms of release date stuff, I honestly didn't anticipate it.


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[Assistant] Coming that soon, I know they had like a closed alpha and a beta.


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[Assistant] Uhm, they have another stream on the 16th where they'll probably go deeper into what the roadmap is gonna look like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it felt like for a hot minute anyway, people were talking about being excited. And maybe it's just because I'm a big, big Overwatch fan, but like, I don't, I don't think anyone does a character trailer like Blizzard.


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[Assistant] Um, and I, you know, the trailer when they roll, you know, just, just even appearing on screen, not really doing anything in the music, and I was like, yeah.


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[Assistant] No, so I mean, Tam and I and, uh, Richard and Joey from GameSpot, we made a documentary about the Overwatch League when it launched.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the people that we were talking to, we were talking to, what was his face, from like, the son of Bob Craft or whatever, because Craft had an Overwatch League team.


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[Assistant] There was T-Mobile and Audi and Coke were all supporting that first league. It was ridiculous money. I don't know if you ever went to the Blizzard Arena.


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[Assistant] There was a full wraparound LED wall, uhm, yeaah, it was beautiful, and so like they would project the game, but also like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Just the amount of people they needed to switch the game because Overwatch at the time didn't necessarily have the best spectating tools. So you needed actual pros, like a lot of the people who


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[Assistant] Uhm, pioneered when esports was first getting, getting big and it was like,


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[Assistant] What did you guys think? I thought it came out already.


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[Assistant] I looked a bit like kind of, um, reminded me a little bit of ghost trick in a little way, you know, kind of the interacting with the dead sort of thing. But also I'm a sucker for an investigation. I'm a sucker for.


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[Assistant] Solving a cold, solving a cold case. And so I, I also kind of really dug the art style. I thought it would just.


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[Assistant] I don't know, it looks simple enough but also stylized enough that it really caught my eye.


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[Assistant] But also, but also there's been like a weird resurgence of, of games with similar art styles recently. Very true. We're going, uhm, uh, potion, not potion seller, that's the meme. Potion seller. Potion crafter, and there's another


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[Assistant] And it takes place over 25 years. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, so Tam interviewed, uh, Josh Sawyer. Right. Who I can only, I can only say his name in like the rush way of Tom Sawyer. You know, like from the song.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's kind of like a passion project we've been working on for a couple years, small team with an obsidian. He has like a bachelor's in history and so it's always cool. Actually, and also if you look at his tattoos, because Tam was doing the interview and I was


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[Assistant] It's not, what is it? It's not medieval. He said it was like, no, it's the early ages or something. I was like, no, because the medieval period is not just like, it's like a thousand years or something. So it's early medieval and it's like, uh, there's a death and you just decide to solve it and you can, um, accuse someone and there's kind of.


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[Assistant] You know, you think that people won't be annoyed with or you can kill someone, um, you know, sentence someone to death if you think that they really did do it or you know, and then you've got the 25 years and


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[Assistant] He was saying as well that like, the art style will change, so like, at the beginning of the game, before time changes, at the very beginning, it'll be, look very painterly, like painted.


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[Assistant] The coolest thing as well is that he said that characters as they age, the paint will kind of chip off.


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[Assistant] I mean, yeah, so to this day, Diablo three is still huge and so it makes


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[Assistant] So I feel like they know, but the real test of it is going to be how they manage end game content and make sure that people are happy there.


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[Assistant] I played Diablo 3 when it came out. I never got like too into it. We played it again last year and I was like...


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[Assistant] I can't do this again. I need, I need the next thing. And so Diablo 4 has me very interested.


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[Assistant] Well you do, no, no, you do, but you don't get the new semester until. Sure. But I'm, I'm so stoked. That was, that got the most hype reactions from me.


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[Assistant] Tam interviewed him and yeah, asked the big question. Yeah, yeah, Todd, Elder Scrolls 6, whatever. And I was like, when did you get that jacket? And yeah.


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[Assistant] It's what I want it to be. Okay, nice. I love sci-fi, but I also love a grounded, realistic, realistic sci-fi. The thing that attracts me to games like Mass Effect is that like I feel like that world could exist.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and I like the sterile, cold, cause I find space inherently terrifying. I don't trust people who say that they want to go to space.


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[Assistant] They're speaking my language. I like the, you know, we want you to carve your own story in space. You know, they got me with the base building, they got me with the...


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[Assistant] Better than I, you know, it's, it's creation 2, right, the new ending?


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[Assistant] There were some moments in it that I thought, okay, there's actually like these animations now where, you know, there were the two characters and they were helping each other put the...


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[Assistant] Still glazed, dead luck over, uhm, I-


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[Assistant] I wanna know what the loop is, I wanna understand, like, I'm not being funny, but a thousand planets. We all, in the GameSpot war room, we all just went,


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[Assistant] Too many planets, Todd. Uhm, but I don't know, I'm... Maybe I'm just getting caught up in the hype.


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[Assistant] I was so into that music. Like, obviously reminiscent of Star Trek and, you know, just the horns, I guess.


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[Assistant] I guess they're one of the most fascinating creatures, if you could call them that, to grace the Elder Scrolls universe, but they're not a creature, unless you think a Argonian's a creature because it looks like a lizard. They're actually a highly intelligent race.


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[Assistant] Of, uh, flying, I guess you could call them reptilian, could you? Yeah. Yeah, definitely reptilian flying reptilian beasts covered in scales. They have wings. And I just want to clarify because I don't want any comments saying they're wyverns, not dragons.


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[Assistant] Yeah, anyway, so they're big flying creatures, but they're intelligent. They have their own language. Uh, there's a lot of mystery, which I guess we'll talk about as to where the dragons originated from. And I guess very interestingly, they seem to have always been.


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[Assistant] So they've been around forever. Seemingly.


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[Assistant] So, and I, and it's, it's, the magic definitely then in that case, which is something I think a lot of people forget does go beyond just breathing fire and doing dragon shouts.


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously that there's a lot of magical affinity to anyone who can use such elemental magic or slow time or do any of the things that a dragon can do with dragon shouts. And it's unrelated, but I do wonder, can they use conventional magic as well? I think they can. There's no reason that they can't.


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[Assistant] I guess that's as well something that I kind of, in regards to their intelligence, which is a kind of base trait about them, you always hear that they're an intelligent race. I've always pondered how much are they intelligent due to just being around.


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[Assistant] Thousands and thousands of years, like take a man, for example, and have him live for 30,000 years without degrading in any way.


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[Assistant] That's true. Well, I mean, there are also in, in further support of that, the stories about the, the Syessi trying to, after eating the men, I believe trying to eat the dragons and them fleeing to Tamriel is kind of like a theory from that. They talk about red dragons and black dragons.


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[Assistant] Um, and of course there's, uh, Tosh Raka, which we talked about in the Akavir podcast, who was a Capotan, I believe, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've also heard theories that, uh, the dragons in Akavir might not have been


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[Assistant] It's just the same as the dragons we see in Skyrim. They may have just been a completely different type of race that looked like dragons. Perhaps based on the theme of Akavir they could have looked a bit more oriental.


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[Assistant] And, you know, being the dragons, but that could explain perhaps why the Siasi were able to, I guess you could use the word defeat them.


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[Assistant] In a sense. Because dragons are meant to be super, super powerful. And before you interject, I'm not saying I subscribe to this idea. It's just food for thought.


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[Assistant] Although not always, I think it was Daggerfall that had a dragonling type creature. That looked like a dragon, but it's actually not.


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[Assistant] There's also even, uhm, imps in the Elder Scrolls Online that can use like an illusion magic spell to look like a kind of small serpentine dragon.


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[Assistant] For sure. And then the other theory is that the dragons came from Atmora.


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[Assistant] Yes. Unless you have anything else to say about Akavir.


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[Assistant] And I think the book as well, it talks about, and this is something I find particularly interesting, although we'll try not to get onto the Dragon Wars Dragon Cult stuff just yet.


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[Assistant] But I do find it really interesting that it says that obviously the dragons ruled in Atmora, supposedly according to this text, but basically that there was peace. You know, it talks about, um, I can find the exact quote it said.


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[Assistant] In Atmora, where Isgrimor and his people came from, the dragon priests demanded tribute and set down laws and codes of living that kept peace between dragons and men. In Tamriel, they were not nearly as benevolent.


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[Assistant] It's unclear if this was due to an ambitious dragon priest or a particular dragon or a series of weak kings. Whatever the cause, the dragon priests began to rule with an iron fist, making virtual slaves of the rest of the population. So it kind of sounds like in Atmora, living under the dragons, if you believe this, I guess myth,


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[Assistant] Uh, wasn't as bad. Especially with them worshipping animal gods and dragons being like the most powerful of all of them.


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[Assistant] I feel like this just wasn't thought about when they were writing the law. Is my, is my honest, like from my heart, that's my answer. Yeah. But I like to be like, Hmm, that's really interesting to think about. And in a way it is because you, you want to rationalize the law. Yeah.


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[Assistant] No one wants to look at the lore and be like, there's the bad writing section. Yeah. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. And also beyond just stomping on them, stomping on all over Tamriel, uh, you know, you don't see the same evidence of dragon priests and the dragon cult in the rest of Tamriel. I mean, Scott, did you want to talk a little bit more about where dragons have been in, in other parts of Tamriel?


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[Assistant] You'd think they'd just take a big fire breath through the whole flock and just burn them to shreds. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Cause that's the other thing I will say while we're still talking about dragons as a base concept, I suppose.


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[Assistant] There's this idea that they're actually way more powerful and even way larger in just raw physical size than you see in the game Skyrim because obviously in Skyrim we assume that


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[Assistant] Obviously we don't upscale the humans, like all the humans are ten times bigger, but if we upscale their city,


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[Assistant] And then imagine a dragon landing on the top and being the same size proportionally. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I mean, look at, uh, I think it's the Legends card for Odoving. Is this giant dragon like wrapped around this like burning building.


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[Assistant] It is, that I could actually talk about is, which is kind of again related to base dragons, but how hard is it to actually kill them? Because like you're about to go into the concept of time and things like that, they're immortal in the sense that their souls can be resurrected by Alduin.


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[Assistant] You know, individuals or big groups of people can kill, uh, sorry, can still kill them.


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[Assistant] It's just very hard. You have to imagine their scales are extremely tough. They're super big. They can do all these different shouts and stuff. Like in Skyrim they use


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[Assistant] One shout at a time, but really there's no reason they couldn't use slow time and things like that, right? I mean, their language literally manipulates reality. So, and yeah, just being ageless and immortal and so powerful, but they, they can die. What happens when their soul gets absorbed?


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[Assistant] So basically like a matter can't be created or destroyed type thing where you've got time and you can just absorb other dragon souls.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, you definitely could have that, especially seeing as there, there seems to be so many of them, all living for thousands of years, all dying, all being absorbed and knowledge just being passed around and so on.


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[Assistant] And in a way, what's the difference then? I know obviously there's a physical difference, but between a dragonborn filled with souls of dragons who can functionally do very much like similar things and a dragon.


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[Assistant] Could that change personalities though? I was thinking that. This is a pretty out there theory. But like, how about we just get Alduin to kill Parthenax and then Alduin just permanently chills out from getting all this mad sage knowledge.


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[Assistant] Yeah, maybe. I don't think it works like that. Yeah. It's just funny.


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[Assistant] Have you, have you heard of the concept that this, this aka concept, because obviously there's the different entities you could say it's made up as, which are all quite different to one another, right? Like you have.


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[Assistant] Oriel who is all super elven and what not. Then you have Akatosh who is like, you know, one of the divines kind of like created by Alicia or even spoke to Alicia before being created. It's confusing.


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[Assistant] And then the final entity wants to like, end the world, for lack of better terms.


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[Assistant] And then you could almost say Oriell, uh, being an elvish god and being tricked according to elvish legend into kind of creating the, uh, to creating Mundus is anti-mortality and anti-men, right? Yeah, the beginning, like. Yeah. And then Akatosh is pro-men.


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[Assistant] And there's stories of Akatosh as well, having like, you know, two heads, one man, one dragon, and like, there's even, and, and Drew, you'll like this, there's a, a quote from one of the palinal books, where he actually references Akka.


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[Assistant] And he says, oh aka, for our shared madness, I do this. I watch you watching me watching back. So he actually says, oh aka, for our shared madness. Then there's the whole idea that Pelinal's an aka avatar.


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[Assistant] Just a question, whose, whose neck veins was Pelinal chomping on when he yelled out Reamon? I think it's um, Haramir?


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[Assistant] I wonder if there was any like, I don't know, knowledge absorption when he did that. Maybe some big crazy.


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[Assistant] So they're basically just the writers at Bethesda who had to try and figure out what to do with the, with the dragon break. Maybe their head writer was Jill, I don't know. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I also like this idea that Akatosh is not necessarily the one who created dragons, like in Skyrim they'll say, you know, Akatosh is their father.


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[Assistant] But I feel like a lot of the time that might be because they're speaking to someone who knows just generally speaking the dragon god of time to be Akatosh. For example, if they were speaking to a Khajiit from elsewhere, perhaps they would say Alkosh. Uhm, and I think in their language, they would just say Bormahu. I think it's father.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Sounds kind of funny. Uhm, but basically, cause you see this question where Akatosh is considered a kind of benevolent god of men, you know, as a divine.


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[Assistant] And they say, why would Akatosh create these dragons who according to Parthenax at least have this kind of.


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[Assistant] And I mean, you look at what happened with the dragon cults and, and I know that was also in some ways largely the fault of the dragon priests, but you know, the dragons still, they're very domineering.


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[Assistant] You know, why would Akatosh create that if he's a champion? And I think the answer to that might be that Akatosh, in the sense that he is known today, didn't create dragons, especially if Akatosh was kind of thought up with Elysia creating the divines.


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[Assistant] And dragons have been around forever and Akatosh is kind of this present time.


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[Assistant] Maybe. Another, another idea I've heard is Oriel, uh, created them. Oriel being, you know, the first kind of aca concept. And that Oriel hates men and then creates elves who just go and dominate exclusively men and for whatever reason leave the elfish races.


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[Assistant] Dragons have claws and fly and have magic and then it's like


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[Assistant] It's funny, I was gonna say, could you ask the actual question, and then I found it, and it literally just says, future for dragons after Alduin's defeat.


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[Assistant] But yea, so in terms of the Skyrim dragons, right? Yea. Like, what's going on? Uhm, look.


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[Assistant] I don't think that dragons will be like a massive, and this is just from a writing perspective, a massive focus in The Elder Scrolls 6, as, as much as Bethesda loves dragons and they're putting them in everything. I wouldn't be surprised if you find a dragon in some ruin in Hammerfell or there's a dragon or two in the game.


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[Assistant] But I feel like you might just have it explained away like the dragonborn does something or I don't know. I just, I don't think there's gonna be permanently a heavy dragon presence in Tamriel.


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[Assistant] Actually, that is something that I wanted to ask you to see what your take is. What do you think is the deal with some dragons being, I guess, seemingly more intelligent than others?


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[Assistant] Whereas others are just like these kind of base super like permanently hostile aggro dragons that just don't speak. I'm sure it's just a game mechanic thing, but well, I almost some just seem to be much more advanced and different to others, even though they've all been immortal and it could be explained by the dragon souls thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing, we don't actually know how involved Kain really was.


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[Assistant] Cause correct me if I'm wrong, but is Kynes involvement, um, referenced on the tablets? When you, when you're going up to Hive Rothgar and there's the different, like, etched tablets that talk about, um, the history and stuff.


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[Assistant] One of them talks about, uh, sorry, one of them talks about the dragons ruling over all of Mundus, which I think is a massive exaggeration. And I think if another one were to say, oh yeah, kind taught them this, it could also just be a bit of a Nordic kind of take on what happened and not what actually happened.


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[Assistant] I found the exact quote actually from the etched tablet.


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[Assistant] Kind called on Parthenax who pitied man. It almost in this description at least sounds like Parthenax already pitied man. Kind kind of scoped Parthenax out as, you know, good potential for being a helpful dragon.


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[Assistant] That story almost reminds me of the Boethiah one with Fearstruck and Lyricius and the one scale that was tarnished on the dragon's back that it couldn't reach. That Lyricius said that he would polish and then stabbed the dragon instead.


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[Assistant] About the dragon cult, so obviously the origins of the dragon cult are kind of based on these traditions of animal worship, supposedly brought over by the Atmorrans to Tamriel, and they had all the different animals, and at the top was the dragon.


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[Assistant] So, as they were worshipping dragons, uh, eventually the dragons installed kind of leaders.


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[Assistant] Dragon priests to rule over the men simply because the dragons were not interested in the kind of base politics and the menial tasks. They read the, yeah, the governance. They read the four hour work week by Tim Ferriss and they were like, nah, outsource.


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[Assistant] So they got dragon priests and they gave the dragon priests some powers so that they could honestly assert power over the men.


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[Assistant] And you know, make sure that there was tribute to the dragons and, and so on.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but the dragon priests eventually became very, very greedy, which tends to happen when you give people too much power.


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[Assistant] And demanded more and more and more of the people and according to that text, as I said earlier in the video, were different to how they were on Atmora and really ruled with an iron fist and made slaves out of everyone.


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[Assistant] The Skull have been living, uh, the same lifestyle for a very long time. And weren't, weren't, wouldn't they have been under rule by


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[Assistant] Which, which means that Valok the jailer must have been immensely powerful.


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[Assistant] Oh, absolutely. I've also heard back to Valok, I've heard that he is rumored to be the most powerful dragon priest of all of them. And in, he doesn't have a mask associated with him. And people assume that's because his mask was actually Konarik.


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[Assistant] Okay. Like the super powerful mask, which just means warlord. Like there's an idea that the mask was temporary and given to whoever the strongest dragon priest was. And that's why he doesn't have a mask and would also explain his ability to get rid of Mirak. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Although I think he wasn't he learning from Mora before he got plucked to the realm still or he hadn't at all.


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[Assistant] I think he was learning bits, but obviously he didn't have all the like, the juicy stuff from Apocrypha.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's like, mate, Valok the jailer was too much trouble for you. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I think that if I was a dragon though, the incentive to learn the type of magic that models are using is quite low. I mean, you look at some of the master illusion spells and compare it to potentially what you could do with bend will or things like that. I mean, you can just shout, rip someone's soul out, have them fight for you. You can even.


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[Assistant] Use whirlwind sprint, like imagine drag and just going whoosh. Yeah, like.


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[Assistant] They're like trying to out-wheel each other, as opposed to the idea of them flying around and one of them goes, fire, and fire comes out, and another one goes, frost, and frost comes out, and then some mortal sitting in Skyrim goes, haha, it's just like a verbal debate, like, I dunno.


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[Assistant] I almost hope so because otherwise it just kind of, you start questioning why isn't the influence here? Why isn't the influence there? Why have we never heard about it? Obviously because they just wrote it for Skyrim after writing all this other lore.


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[Assistant] I'll actually, I'll actually give you a hot take that I just thought of. Maybe the reason the dragons didn't spread all over Tamriel is because it's a lot easier to dominate a group of men who already believe and worship animals with dragons at the top.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, they already, they're ready to worship dragons. Yeah. You go down to some elvish place, they're not really ready to worship dragons and maybe they've got powerful Daedra or Aedra helping them do things. Um, you know what I mean? Like it seems like a much, it's not that they couldn't. It's not that they couldn't.


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[Assistant] They could, but it would be, it would be a different dynamic, I guess, is what I'm saying. It would be a very like just, we control you because of force and no other reason than that.


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[Assistant] Being the location, I just remember if I look at Stormhaven, give me one moment. I believe there was a dragon.


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[Assistant] I can't actually find it, but I just feel like I remember some kind of dungeon involving an ancient dragon thing.


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[Assistant] I was looking for. So scale call a peak you were talking about. Yeah.


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[Assistant] There's a group dungeon located in Stormhaven, part of the Dragon Bones dungeon pack DLC along with Fang Lair. So, there you go.


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[Assistant] Exactly. I was going to say that, like, why is there no reference to dragons from any of those races in their ancient texts? I mean, surely the Dwemer would want to learn about their magics and things like that, especially regarding, uh, universe changing things and, you know, their love of tonal architecture and maybe that's how they learnt it.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say there's, there's even theories that say Ysgramor is a dragon. Like there's some, there's some really, really, really out there stuff in terms of Ysgramor dragons and companions coming.


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[Assistant] Sure, and I think it also comes from this idea that you see a lot that elves are somehow so strong and so superior and that how could men possibly


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[Assistant] Bring an army and slaughter a bunch of elves, it's like they're not living gods, they may have some advantages, but they can absolutely be slaughtered by a angry pack of nords who've been training to kill things their whole life. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] Well, I don't think it is canon that Parthenax was slain, to be honest. I don't know why it- I mean-


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[Assistant] It could be, but I just, I don't know. What's, what do you think that assumption could be based off?


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. I mean, why burn your bridges if you don't have to? And plus the whole fan base loves him, so.


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[Assistant] You could see, I can see a little thing, like one or two dragons being involved in a storyline because, you know what, I'm being honest, I actually do think we will see at least one dragon in Elder Scrolls 6. I really do.


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[Assistant] Uh, whether it's just deep in some ruin or in one quest, I think they're gonna have a dragon.


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[Assistant] I just don't think it will dominate the game like it did with Skyrim. I would be very surprised for there to be zero dragons in Elder Scrolls 6. Especially after them shoehorning it into Elder Scrolls Online DLC. It's in other, I'm pretty sure it's even in Blades, like...


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's kind of what I was saying with the idea before that perhaps Oreo created the dragons or the part of Acre representing the beginning.


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[Assistant] That dragons have supposedly always been around from.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, true. True. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know, I don't think that the, that the riding is that great in terms of just dominate everything. I definitely would rather the dragons, like more examples of Parthenax type dragons who are like, you know, different.


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[Assistant] Maybe it's sorry, maybe it's semantics. Maybe it just means they crave power and they dominate each other and they have their debates and fight over who's right and wrong. And potentially if you go into those deeper theories, like you said before, they're kind of bending reality and whose versions of things are.


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[Assistant] You know, the, the right one essentially. Yeah. Uhm, and having these conflicts and stuff.


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[Assistant] It could be that, it doesn't necessarily mean they- like for example, okay men, what about animals? Or creatures? Do they want to dominate trolls?


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[Assistant] Do they want to dominate imps? Like where, where does it start and end? You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it could just be a basic power thing, not necessarily a dominate for the sake of pure dominance, like Molag Bao type thing.


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[Assistant] Is there anything else to say? I guess the last piece of information in my head would probably just be about their language.


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[Assistant] Um, and how they, there's this idea that they write it obviously with their claws and they have this like vestigial digit that they use to like push in the little dot things. But then as, as, as you said to me off, off camera,


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[Assistant] How they can, the greybeards will breathe the words for you to learn kind of onto the floor. Yeah. And then there's the idea that dragons could just write by going put, just spitting it on the wall basically. Yeah. As opposed to using their claws, especially into stone. It's not to say that their claws couldn't do that.


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[Assistant] I agree with the premise that it's just a primordial jest type thing or he just likes dragons or I just don't think it's a actual akatosh related thing.


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[Assistant] So, I mean, it's, I mean, all like, listening to most of the things that has been said. Me, I don't even know most of the, maybe there's a Muslim music sector. Not like I don't listen to music.


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[Assistant] We don't do beats and I don't know if there are people that do that here, but I believe whenever I hear anything gospel, I expect it to be pure.


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[Assistant] I just feel like, it's literally like, if you do everything with love, most of these complains we have right here wouldn't be happening. I believe Nigerians also judge a lot. Not just Nigerians. Actually, let me start with Nigerians. Nigerians will judge a lot if you don't judge.


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[Assistant] Another thing to note as well is that we aren't going to be having, I mean we are having some gods that are said to have been mortals first, but we're not going to be including their mortal lives as part of


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[Assistant] Their ranking, for example. Like it's more about them as gods, but also their ascension to godhood, but not the whole mortal life that came before that.


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[Assistant] Well, this, this may not be my number one, but I think definitely you would be putting Akatosh in the top 10. I know it's not a list based on significance, but significance does add coolness as well. It does, it does. In a way.


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[Assistant] And it's not just the fact that it's the god of time and everything like that. A lot of it as well is also like, thought of being the father of all dragons and all this stuff with Alduin, firstborn of Akatosh and all that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Fair enough. And it's also worth noting that our top 10 will actually be more than 10 to begin with because there'll be disputes. So it's kind of like a probably top 10 pile. Yeah. And then we'll like maybe.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's actually my favorite part as well, even though it's probably not the most likely. Like it's like this little legend you find.


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[Assistant] Cause there's different types of things about the creation of the gods and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you want to read the story or if we'll get into that when we get more competitive with ranking them.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll tell you what, I really liked Bandar when I was playing the Winter Sun mod because you can put skoomer in people's pockets and then pray to Bandar to activate it and they all explode with fire, which is awesome. But, like it's fun, right?


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[Assistant] There's not a heap of significance there, like the whole idea of like being this kind of trickster god, this bandit god is really cool, but I don't know if it's...


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[Assistant] Top 10 cool. There's also, to me at least, I don't know what, what you two think of this, but in Elder Scrolls Online, they've touched on some banned stuff and there's


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[Assistant] Bandar has a realm, the five fingers dance, but basically there's this festival of pranks, I don't know the word pranks just really makes me cringe.


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[Assistant] No, I definitely think Bandar is cool, I just don't know if it's top 10 cool.


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[Assistant] We were talking about- Bandar is in the contenders list for now. I don't find Bandar terrible, I just think, I just think as a god, it's not, like it sounds cool, but it's nothing


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[Assistant] 100%, like that's the thing, especially when you get into like, uh, red god and your kudin gods.


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[Assistant] They might have just one sentence, like the coolest, like I'd be keen to learn more about them, but the coolest Yakudan gods are often the interpretations of other gods. Yeah. But the ones that only exist in like a Yakudan or a red guard pantheon, they might just be like,


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[Assistant] Very, like you don't, you don't know enough about them, but anyway, we'll move on from Bandar. I think the next one on the list is Diagonal. Am I correct? So this was an avatar of Hoonding or The Hoonding that kind of achieved permanence. But I think this is kind of, oh no, it's not the one I was going to say, but it is a small one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is interesting. Like all of these gods have cool things, but I think I'm going to make a judgment call now that Diagoner is not.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can kind of, I can kind of agree with that in a sense. Like there, there's a lot of information on Dibella, but all of it kind of,


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[Assistant] You know, hammer's home the same concept over and over again. There's not a lot of hyper unique stuff.


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[Assistant] Oh, I definitely agree. I just also think that- And I just also- You got it, you got it. Sorry, you go.


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[Assistant] That's exactly what I was going to say, made supposedly from DiBella's own hair and allows you to just kind of paint your own universe. Like that's pretty cool.


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[Assistant] I, I understand that. I'm just saying, I think Dibella is something that I could get behind from that perspective, but.


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[Assistant] In terms of like, oh, Dibello is really cool. It's like.


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[Assistant] I'll chuck it up in the contenders category.


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[Assistant] I can actually agree, like I, I like Ebonarm. Ebonarm ranks kind of highly for me, and I also like the interaction which I guess we'll talk about because this is alphabetical, but with Sai, the mortal, who eventually got given the gift of immortality and kind of became the god of luck.


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[Assistant] But this is the thing when you look at this list, and I know it's all subjective, but I can kind of agree with Drew that


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[Assistant] Evernarm is sounding a whole lot cooler than DeBella.


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[Assistant] So, so we'll put Ebon arm and we shall move to Hoonding.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's exactly, even all the aspects, it's not like they're tied into like a concept other than making way for the, yeah, the Red Guards.


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[Assistant] I'm always doing- I never explicitly said it. I'm the list king.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was going to say similar as in I like the concept, but the actual, uh, yeah, it's just, it's just not thick, you know, there's, there's, there's,


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[Assistant] Just to everyone listening, the Khajiit are really cool. And the moon cycles and all that are really cool.


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[Assistant] But as actual like godly entities for Jode and Joan, there's just not much.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was gonna put- yep, I agree as well. Alright. There's just so much stuff there, and the interpretations of the gods, there's a lot of different interpretations, but that makes it cool, like Kinnareth first kind and so on.


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[Assistant] The thing with Man of Marco while you're looking that up is most of what's interesting, there's a lot of the mortal stuff there which influences me.


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[Assistant] And I would have Mademarco ranked quite highly, but if we are, and I'm sure a lot of viewers do as well, but if we're going to go straight off the, this idea that their mortal life doesn't really count until they're up to the point of like achieving apotheosis, then


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[Assistant] I think you missed, I think you missed Magnus if we were going purely alphabetically speaking.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Magnus is to me one of the really cool gods in terms of like the creation story, like it's a very, he's a very important god, but I don't rate him as like particularly interesting.


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[Assistant] It's the same, it kind of falls, I know it's, it's, I know he's different to Julianos, but he kind of falls in that same, like, it's magic, god, like.


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[Assistant] Worship, get more magic, not really my top 10.


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[Assistant] Okay, well, I think Mara is cool, but I think it is easy to, I think Mara might be overrated. I don't know who you've got in your top fives and stuff, but I think Mara could be overrated.


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[Assistant] I'm all about love. Love is great. And fertility, agriculture, compassion, all that stuff's great.


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[Assistant] And I definitely like the, um, kind of Redguard interpretation with Mauler and stuff like that. That's cool. The whole four arms to grab more husbands. I like that. But if we chuck that reference away, I don't find Mara.


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[Assistant] Super crazy interesting in the same way that I don't find Dibella super crazy interesting. I really like what Mara stands for, and if you put me into Skyrim, perhaps I would worship Mara.


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[Assistant] But as an actual god, it's like, I give love, and if love comes to two people, then so be it, because love is the greatest force ever.


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[Assistant] A lot of it is just love, love, love, love, love. Even when you read through, I mean if you go through a wiki and like look at all the information on Mara, there's lots of it, but it is again repeating similar thing about


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[Assistant] Love, marriage, and that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] But do they really? Because a lot of it, and this is the thing at least as far as I am interpreting things, she's not feeling different roles. Like she's the kind of fertility love goddess everywhere.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't know. We can, we can definitely, definitely have Mara in the contenders pile. Yea, alright, contenders pile. It's just not a top 5 of mine.


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[Assistant] This is the one I was waiting for this whole time, the whole time, because it's just Onsi taught mankind how to pull their knives into swords. That's sick. That's really cool. But, I mean, there we go.


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[Assistant] I definitely know what you're saying, but then couldn't you argue that like Manamaco's whole descent into necromancy is related to his apotheosis into a god and his whole path of finding the dark arts is what allowed him to become a necromancer.


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[Assistant] Yeah, okay. I think that's, that's fair.


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[Assistant] Because yeah, like I'm moving right into the, to the nah pile. What are you two think about? That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine.


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[Assistant] I mean, Palinor white straight screaming Riemann's pretty cool, but yeah, but yeah, it's not enough to, he can't scream it into the top 10.


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[Assistant] I, I like the idea, uh, I just like the concept of being a luck god that you can't worship for too, like too much or you get a disease called size affliction.


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[Assistant] You know, that, that seeks you to become like a desperate kind of gambler, like eager to, to get the God's favor back and this kind of thing. And also the relation of Sai with Ebon arm, as we kind of touched on before.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've heard that as well. I think there's a lot of interesting stuff there.


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[Assistant] It's not, the thing is with Sai, it's not a god that you really hear about much, particularly if you haven't played Daggerfall, so a lot of the listeners will


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[Assistant] And there's a few, there's a few things that you kinda have to take with a grain of salt, but I feel like I would prefer...


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[Assistant] Always quality over quantity, but I definitely do just like there being other gods and other deities that exist around the place and their power levels are kind of subject to how much worship they're getting. One of the things if it wasn't clear as well with Sai, Sai was a mortal killed in battle and Ebon arm basically appears to him and gives him a deal.


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[Assistant] Which is, you can die now, or I'll make you a mortal, but you have to be this god of luck and go around and spread luck around, fairly.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna have to put it into the maybe pile if we've got hounding there.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you were to group the two together and their stories is the same kind of, like... Yea, it's relatable.


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[Assistant] But the, the whole, I like the, the kind of thing where it's like about mercy and even if you do wrong by the gods, you can be forgiven by Stendhal and blessed and everything. But if you're a vampire or a danger and undead, like a werewolf or whatever, no mercy for you. You know, it's.


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[Assistant] It's interesting, like violent, but, um, merciful at the same time.


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[Assistant] Oh Syrabain, don't get me started. When I was doing the, uh, elder, the flesh magic video and I had to go into Trader's Vault on Artaeum, which is where Mademarco kind of explored the dark arts early on, you see a conversation between Vanus Galarian and Mademarco.


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[Assistant] And he goes, and maybe this is right, I'm not sure how many times I've heard Sirabane said in-game, but he goes, what in Sirabane's name do you think you're doing? Or something like that.


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[Assistant] I'm a bit disappointed. I was really jaded to have a debate with Drew about why Trinimax not number one, but number six sounds so reasonable.


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[Assistant] Yeah, god of trials against adversity died defending Shaw from foreign gods.


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[Assistant] It's cool. He's cool, but for me he wasn't top 10. Not top 10.


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[Assistant] Ifri. Ifri. So, Ifri, I'm sorry to all of the Bosma lovers out there who know I ranked the wood elves really highly and might be expecting me to jump in here, but I actually, Ifri just doesn't do it for me. The whole, I like the green pact and I like all the things made with the wood elf


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[Assistant] The Wood Elves and all of that. It's just the general concept since then is not particularly interesting to me. What do you two think?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it could be the absence of personality. What do you think, Drew?


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[Assistant] I know that like, you can't be like objectively subjectively, but I can definitely see why if we could rank well. It's just for me, it's just this, what you said when you like vibes, man. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Zen's interesting, but again, it's kind of just another god of agriculture. Like, you know, one interesting part of it is vengeance though.


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[Assistant] And I don't know if you could relate that to a kind of like eye for an eye or like...


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[Assistant] There's some interesting stuff there with like God of Toil and agriculture and payment in kind.


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[Assistant] So I just laughed because I wrote, I searched something on Google as like a mental note for myself.


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[Assistant] Cause those two characters, those two characters are really cool, but it's the same kind of with Talos and Tiber Septum. I know it's different.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's fine, I guess. That's fine. That's fine. So I'll take out Hoonding, then Kynareth, Lorkhan.


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[Assistant] Okay, well we can all agree we're gonna toss Sai out because he don't like him and Ebon arm's already there. Can we agree with that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, alright, let's get rid of side. What do you think about side, Drew?


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm actually going to write Ebonarm slash Psy, even though they're different. Like it's Ebonarm, but just to remind me the story of Psy. And then we've got Stendhal, which is definitely staying Talos, Trinimax, Arxys and Ifri.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so. Watch our video on it. Yeah. No, I, I just. I mean, yeah, I've done one too. A lot of it is.


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[Assistant] Do you know what I could say? I'm going to come in with a hot take. Let's get rid of RK. RK is good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Drew seems keen to get rid of RK. I think I'll read RK out of the list with THE story. What do you think?


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[Assistant] So be it known that the gods were once as we. RK, the god of death and birth, was an ordinary shopkeeper whose only unusual characteristic was a passion for knowledge.


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[Assistant] To indulge his hobby, he became an avid collector of books on almost any subject he could find in print. One day he stumbled across a tome which purported to tell the secrets of life, death and the purpose of existence. After months of studying the convoluted logic written in opaque language, he thought he was finally beginning to understand what the author was saying.


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[Assistant] And then mo- he- learning about, like, life and death and he's dying, prays to Mara, Mara says, why should I make an exception for you? He goes, mother Mara, I'm finally beginning to understand the book and the meaning of life and death, and like needs a little more time to think and study on others.


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[Assistant] Um, yeah, and then I'm assuming Mara grants him that, but he's gone.


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[Assistant] Okay, Akatosh, Ebon Arm, Kinnareth, Lorcan, Mara, Stendarr, Talos, Trinimax, Xarxes, and Ifri. Gosh, Drew, you've really influenced us!


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[Assistant] I know you do, I know you do, and this is kind of what I was trying to get across before, is that doesn't mean that their lore is cool just because you're like a real strong component of what they stand for.


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[Assistant] I'm happy to put Kynareth up the top for now and like kind of leave her in that area.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so Kynarath's there. Think top three for a second. Top.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I knew it. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I meme about Trinamac, but like based on conversations we've had in the past, you kept on bringing up Lorcon.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we can put them as one and two kind of confirmed. Like I don't know what order yet, but we'll just put them there.


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[Assistant] Okay. So I'll put, we'll put Talos as third. Yeah. How would you feel about?


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[Assistant] So we've got Akatosh, Ebonar, Marist and our Trinimax, Xarxes and Ifri.


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[Assistant] I mean, we don't, we, the bottom, the bottom six at this point are just whatever. So there's Ebonar, Mara, Stendar, Trinimax, Axis, Ifri. I feel like Stendar could...


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[Assistant] So the way I look at it is, is Stendhal cooler than Mara? I would be like, yes. Is Stendhal cooler than Trinamac? For me, I would say yes.


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[Assistant] Are Xoxys and Ebonarm both less cool than Mara?


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[Assistant] All right. All right. Okay. How about Trinamaco's turn? What do you two think of that?


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[Assistant] Oh, 100%. I'm, I'm all down to put Trinimac over Ebonarm. I just want to be careful that we don't just strip away the cool things. Yeah, for sure. Well, I would say- I would put Ebonarm over Xarxes though still, I think.


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[Assistant] And are we gonna say Ifri's cooler than those three and put Ifri at seven?


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[Assistant] I'm feeling like putting Ifri above Mara, that's just what I'm feeling. Sorry, Ifri beats Mara.


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[Assistant] Okay, can we just get, how do you pronounce this Bosma deity?


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[Assistant] Okay, look, look, let's just assume that they're 6 and 7. They may change, but for now they're 6 and 7.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. That, that's fair. And then Standa's 5. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] It's just the only slot left, and then it's Talos, Akatosh, and I guess we gotta decide if Lorkhan wins or Kynareth wins. I'm on team Kynareth slash Kyn.


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm just this referee sitting here about to decide the fate of our list by saying that Lorcan is number one.


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[Assistant] Oh, I think I've had to put Lorkhan as number one. The doom draw. Just keep saying the doom draw and you win.


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[Assistant] As for, for Kinares, Kain, 1. I like 1 with my list that was super subjective and constantly changed. I had Lor Kahn as number 1 at one point.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And I had kind as number one at one point. Yeah. Um, I didn't expect to see if free up the list this far, but I kinda didn't either. I feel like this is.


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[Assistant] The final list is Lorcan, Kain, Akatosh, Talos, Stendar, Ifri, Mara, Trinimac, Ebonarm, and Xarxes.


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[Assistant] Yeah, same. I feel like I'm much more passionate about the Daedric Princes and their rankings. I mean, there was way more to choose from in this video as well, so.


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[Assistant] Thank you everyone for watching. Thank you for tuning in. I am glad that you guys love the Elder Scrolls lore as much as we do and will actually listen to us talk about all this nerdy stuff. Social media links are in the description below and we'll put comments in the description that you can thumb up for who you think the winner should be.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to Fudge Muppet. I'm Scott and I'm here with Michael and Drew as always. And today we're ranking the Daedric Princes. A bit of a fun one today. So let's, before we get into it, let's talk about the parameters real quick.


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[Assistant] So, we're ranking them based on a combination of power, influence, aesthetic appeal, X Factor, their realms, their Daedric minions, their artifacts, their stories.


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[Assistant] It's just going to be a big subjective sort of session because we didn't want just to make it like, oh, what's the most powerful, most influential. We want to sort of, you know, basically determine our favorites, but we've kind of got a.


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[Assistant] Agree to try and make this list a thing. But I thought it might be a good idea if we start with


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[Assistant] The bottom tier. We'll try and group them into tiers. Sort of a bottom, middle, and top tier. And then once we get to the top...


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[Assistant] We'll then sort it out from there and try and find the best. So, bottom tier suggestions. Let's hear it.


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[Assistant] Even though the whole weakest Daedric Prince and stuff is all like debatable and so on and I agree with that, I just think overall, things like natural order and the sort of pestilence and stuff like that,


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[Assistant] I just kind of boring and we don't get a lot of peri-art exposure really. Like there's the cool, like, yeah, the little vomit afflicted guys. Spellbreak is a pretty cool artifact, but it's kind of more, you know how it's more Dwemer related anyway. Like I never really think of, oh, peri-art when I think Spellbreaker.


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[Assistant] Um, so I don't know, I just think he's bored. He could be interesting, but from what we've seen of him, he's just, you know.


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[Assistant] Is that, even though we're putting them into lists and there's gonna be some at the bottom, the Daedric Princes as a whole are pretty cool. Like, compared to other gods, like heaps of the other aedra, like zenithar or something.


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[Assistant] Way more boring compared to, uhm, the Daedric Princes. So even the bottom tier ones are still, like the Daedra, uh, like honestly some of those interesting parts of the Elder Scrolls lore in general.


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[Assistant] So even though if we put them at the bottom, that doesn't mean we hate them. They're just, you know, not as cool as some of them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but then it also depends on like the diff- the distinguishing-


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[Assistant] The difference between like natural order or Jiggle Ag's idea of order. Like you know how you can see is like order as in like civilization and like perfection and logical and like, you know, put into boxes and casts and categories and all that kind of stuff is like some real heavy sort of.


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[Assistant] Order themes there, whereas like natural order is kinda...


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[Assistant] I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's settled.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you, but you don't put the janitor at the top of the list. Yeah. Well, since we've mentioned, um, Jiggalag already, let's talk about Jiggalag because for me, at least I think he's cool. He's got cool like order aspects and so on and like.


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[Assistant] His whole, like, interaction and stuff with Sheogorath and his backstory is cool, but if you actually look at him...


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[Assistant] He's kind of boring, like he's just kind of just Knights of Order, we're just playing, we're just, like it's a cool, cool aesthetic kind of look, but I wouldn't be worshipping Jiggalak. No, I think worshipping Jiggalak.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I just think a lot of people like him, but I don't know, I think he's bottom tier for me. I don't know, what do you guys think?


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[Assistant] See, I think so much, the problem with Jiggalag is so much of his appeal hinges on the fact that he and Sheogorath were once one thing, but like in the contemporary time, like fourth era, they're like officially split into different beings. So Jiggalag's kind of just like this boring order thing off and you don't, we don't hear about him anymore or, you know, he just doesn't have the,


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[Assistant] His, his coolness to me at least is dependent on his relation to Sheogorath. Yeah. I, I 100% agree.


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[Assistant] By the way, actually regarding peri-ite real quick, we've always said peri-ite, but uhm, could you also say per-ite?


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[Assistant] I mean. Like, we always go like peri-i, as in like peri-peri chicken, but you could go like peri-i, like that would also work.


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[Assistant] Hit us with another bottom tier one, one that's gonna be in the bottom tier.


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[Assistant] I do like when it kinda draws on like, the part of her that I find more appealing is the kind of like, ancient darkness. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.


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[Assistant] There's cool parts and also it kind of also, this is the thing we have to kind of factor in, but with some of the Daedric Princes, their appeal increases when it's through the lens of certain other cultures, like some of the Khajiits.


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[Assistant] Um, view of Numira is interesting. And that's the same goes, um, for a bunch of the Khajiit views on certain, um, gods that makes them more interesting. But it's the same as like how even, you know, Azura, Baboethia and Mephala, uh,


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[Assistant] But I, I generally, I think I still do agree in terms of there's not, like even in, in the games and stuff, there's not as much, like if you do the, I'm pretty sure, uhm,


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[Assistant] So there's the cannibal one in Skyrim. I actually forgot the Morrowind one. The Oblivion one was when you go and you're just killing some priests or something and I remember drinking the wine to get your personality really low so you could do a quest. But like, she, there's not a big,


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[Assistant] X Factor compared to some of the others, like, there are gonna be some which we'll get to, but, uh,


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[Assistant] The beggar story is cool as well. The one where the, it's a, it's a wood elf. Weedle. Prince or noble or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I reckon Numeira is safe because we're gonna, we're gonna try and get through some of the bottom and mid tier ones quicker because we're gonna need a lot more discussion for the top tier ones. Yeah, for sure. Just wait, just quickly.


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[Assistant] Like some of the, uhm, in the Reachman lore, I like how there's a few Daedric Princes there and Namira's one of them. They potentially revere and I like- and Namira also has some cool connections to Hagravens, but none of the- a lot of this is like, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, interpretation and so on, it's not as like, ooh, solid 100%, it's got to do with Numeera, but if, if she does sort of lean into the sort of Hagraven kind of, um, dark ma- ancient darkness magic kind of stuff and...


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[Assistant] That would be cool, but we just don't have enough like confirmation, I guess. There's cool stuff with Namiro, but this is the thing, once again, there's gonna be cool things with all the Daedric Princes, but we're trying to make a subjective list to try and get to the... Drew, what's your next offering for the bottom gear?


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[Assistant] I, I agree, I do like, the reason I do is because of the Aurorans and Umeril, the Unfeathered, and her general connection with the Alids and so on. Actually, Meridia's a good example just to, uhm, because people go, oh, she's a Magnege, which is,


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[Assistant] Technically, well, she was true, but, and we basically want to talk about like, oh, just real quick, what a Daedric Prince kind of is. And really it's basically somewhat, it's basically the most powerful Daedra who run.


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[Assistant] Something in oblivion, and technically she was a magna-gee, but she sort of, uhm,


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[Assistant] At Arda, like original spirit. And then when do they become Adrian? Like do they, did they have to stay in Mundus to be classified as Adrian? But then again, you would consider Magnus as an Adrian entity or like people do, but that just might be a.


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[Assistant] You know, loose definition, like, there's wiggle room, because in the same way, uhm, Trinamac was an aedra, and if you buy into the whole story that he was, uhm, eaten and pooped out,


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[Assistant] I feel like the firmest, because there is, there is a lot of little exception kind of stuff on the corners of, of uhm, the definition, but I feel like if you just go, they're super powerful Daedra, they have an oblivion realm to themselves, they're sort of, like a Daedric prince as they are called, you know, it's not uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah. So basically, yeah, Meridia is running, um, it's, it's the colored rooms or something, isn't it? In, um, but yeah, I guess there's not, in ESO she has some more.


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[Assistant] Uhm, stuff that she's done a little bit, pushing a little bit more of the, uhm, evil side. Like if you're looking at Oblivion,


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[Assistant] Especially like, she just, her quest isn't that interesting. And she's not necessarily like, and it's, she seems more typical through just...


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[Assistant] So yeah, but look, she's cool. I also love, I get, this is, this is lore. I'm, I'm not, uh, just swearing for no reason, but the Shining Bitch is also what she's referred to as is one of her nicknames.


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[Assistant] Along with the Glister Witch or Lady of Greed. But I like that, that whole element of Meridia makes her more interesting rather than just the, the light. And it's cool, it's a cool contrast too, like this.


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[Assistant] Cause a lot of people like associate like light with all of that holiness and kind of like, you know, get rid of the undead kind of thing. But I like that, you know, she's just not necessarily a good person either.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And then there's all the lig and the calipers and the this and the that. Which is not a topic for now. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we'll save that for other discussions, but yeah, we'll put her in the, in the, in the bottom tier as well. I'll just add that. So here's another suggestion and this will send, um, people who love orcs into a headspin, but Malekath in the bottom tier. You know, I made a...


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[Assistant] Yeah, just Malacath, Malacath's cool, but there's not a lot to him besides, I love orcs and ogres and I was pooped out by another girl.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Although some people do debate that he was pretty, um, powerful Trinimac. That he is, and that Boethiah had to...


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[Assistant] Yeah, that whole thing has a few versions of it.


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[Assistant] There's going to be a default kind of bias because you're limited by the information available. So for example, like characters like, you know, Mehran's Dagon and Moloch Bell and stuff, they have way more exploration. So.


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[Assistant] There's a lot more to go, oh yeaah, that's cool and that's cool and that's cool and they have all these cool elements, whereas some of them, like Perriot for instance, doesn't have enough. They have the potential to be higher, like maybe in future games or future DLCs for ESO or something, they're explored.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is cool, I do like how, when they sometimes, uhm,


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[Assistant] Sort of. Well, as is the case with Meridia and Malekath because they were kind of technically, like, aedric-y sort of.


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[Assistant] You know, she's obsessed with the sort of the stars and the aetherius light kind of stuff and she's like, oh, I hate undead. But then, you know what I mean? There's that cool like little friction with their, um.


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[Assistant] Well, there's, there's 17 Daedric Princes, so I feel like the bottom tier's kinda gonna be, it's gotta at least kinda be a third or a, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like, I would put Vamina there. Like, it's cool, the nightmare stuff, I love her, uhm, interaction. There's a story where...


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[Assistant] Uh, Sheogorath and Veimina try and make that dude insane, that artist insane. And, um, but Sheogorath wins out there. If anything, it's kind of a story that sort of shows how cool Sheogorath is, but, um.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but so she, so he, for years and years and years, this artist was getting all of these crazy nightmares, making all of this really warped art and stuff.


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[Assistant] It made him quite famous, but also, you know, some people reviled him and so on.


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[Assistant] But then Shay O'Gorath to win the bet in the next 10 years, he simply did nothing. He stopped, cause there were no more nightmares from Vamina. So he did nothing. So then he went, the artist went insane because of the silence, because he didn't have his inspiration or anything anymore.


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[Assistant] So uhm, there's a cool little twist. I forgot the actual name of the story.


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[Assistant] Could be, because there are a few. Uhm, but we'll get to Shagorath cause he's not, he's not bottom tier. But, uh, do you agree, Drew? Yep, pretty much. They mean are in the bottom tier. Pretty much.


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[Assistant] Uh, so what's that? One, two, three, four, five, six. Probably need a little more in the bottom tier. Like who else would you throw under the bar? I, do you know what I'd actually suggest as much as people like, I love his quest and stuff. Cause hangover man. I was going to say the same thing actually. I also find his realms kind of boring. Like it's like, cause he doesn't have like a.


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[Assistant] There's not like a nice airtight, like here's my theme of my realm. It's like I have billions of pocket realms. Yeah, and they're basically whatever.


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[Assistant] You know? Or at least I think, like he's, he's got fun mission, like quests, but, yeah, I don't know.


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[Assistant] They're cool, like I said, these are all still cool, but they're not enough to be like the top.


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[Assistant] So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. I reckon we can, we can start talking like what we would call like our middle tier. So things that aren't gonna be in the top.


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[Assistant] But, yeaah, so any suggestions for middle tier?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well here's where we'll go right. Let's just quickly put some in the middle tier, then discuss further. So Clavicus Vile. Clavicus Vile.


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[Assistant] Yeah, alright, let's put her scene there. What was the one you said just before? Nocturnal. Nocturnal. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I, I, I'm, I'm gonna argue, like, we'll, we'll try to a bit more. Because arguably think the problem, Azura, um, Boethiah, and Mephala have a lot of mythology around them. They have a, they have like fact, so some of them have factions interacted with them, but we have a, because they were the anticipations.


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[Assistant] But, yeaah, I feel like Mephala is a very me thing, like wanting it to be higher.


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[Assistant] To be honest though, I could put Boethyr in middle tier.


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[Assistant] I think so, but I also really like Azura, Azura as well, cause I think she's got an interesting


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[Assistant] She's kind of interesting within the Dunmer, but also outside of, I think.


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[Assistant] To really like throw out there why, real quick, is for Mephala is, because A, the Morag Tongue, and the whole involvement with that, also the whole Dark Brotherhood Nightmother sort of theories and all that kind of connection, and also the anticipation of Vivec, and there's a lot of like, cool little interaction and cross of themes and stuff in there. That's fair, that's fair.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, Azura, we'll, hold on, we'll get to this, because I feel like a lot of the good things are kind of going to be at the top.


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[Assistant] Well, let's just, okay, let's do the first three. Clavicus, Vile, Hercene and Nocturnal. Let's talk Clavicus, Vile first. All right. Coolest thing about him, Umbra, the sword he created, that he had created for him.


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[Assistant] A witch made that, like Naina were or something. I forget, but basically, and then Umbra does the whole Umbriel thing. Clavicus Vile is cool. I like the theme and the, the, the bargains and stuff like that. And also he's got a little bit more interest because he's kind of.


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[Assistant] Working against Barb, well not against, but like Barbis is trying to reign him in all the time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, but yeah, I guess a real middle tier kind of thing, like, uh.


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[Assistant] And I mean, if we were to con- to consider the other Daedric artifact too, like the mask of Clavicus Vile has a cool story behind it and is also a cool mask. I just, I think, uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there are other reasons up there. I also, he has, uh, the Daedric Realm, Clavicus Files Daedric Realm. I forget what it's called, but I know it's got the Skedafin and stuff all over and it's like, fertile countryside. This is bugging me now.


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[Assistant] That's a, that's a cool thing too, like, just because like,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. I meant Scarf and the Daedra, that was- Yeaah, yeaah. Um, other thing, so, you know, Clavicus Vial says, um, in The Weeknd stuff, like, finds eternity to be boring and so on, and that's another sort of, like, what Drew was talking about, like, like the idea that he gets a kick out of tricking


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[Assistant] People that are really hard to trick, like it's not, like it has gotta be a bit of like, entertainment value, you know, if it's, it's, like I said, doesn't just want bootlickers, but uhm,


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[Assistant] I can't remember if it's him, uh, but is he connected with the Cyrodiilic Vampire Order? Cause it says here to, he said, uh, known to be a patron of vampires, gracing them with social stature, reason and savvy. I can't remember the Vampirian Order.


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[Assistant] Hold on, no no no, Manifesto, uh, Cyrodiil Vampirium.


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[Assistant] Uh, to kinfather, Merlach Bell, yadda yadda yadda yadda.


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[Assistant] So yeah, I mean, but still, I still think solid middle tier, but he does have some cool things going on. It's funny actually.