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[Assistant] Hope that your 16 year old has the strength to walk away from that, but then at the same time, someone who will say something like that, that's dangerous and scary.


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[Assistant] And leaving them can create a more dangerous situation. So it's like, that's a really difficult.


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[Assistant] And you don't want to, you don't want to try to go down that route and then lose that clear line of communication with her and feel like she's hiding things from you. So I think personally, just like you, I think Sonia went about this the best way she could have. I think she did. I think she did the very right thing. And I think if she had pushed


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[Assistant] If you push too hard, especially at that age, like 16, I'm terrified for teenage years just cause I know it's a precarious time. I remember how I was like, you don't listen to anybody. And it's like, if somebody pushes too hard one way, you might go down the same way. And it's like,


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[Assistant] So I know she probably didn't want to push the issue and make her want to cling to him more just out of...


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[Assistant] Going against. Defiance, you know. Even though it doesn't sound like Rebecca was that type of kid. Not at all. You just don't want to play with fire with that stuff. And you never know, is the other thing, like, we've covered cases where, like, they were never that kind of kid and then


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[Assistant] Things just started going awry with him and the change in his personality


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[Assistant] Was happening slowly, gradually, like little things Sonya was starting to pick up on, Becca was starting to pick up on, and just getting like more and more uncomfortable. And that's worse. Yes. Because you're not able to absorb it all at once, so it's not...


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[Assistant] It's harder to manage kind of thing. And they've already shown you such an amazing side of them and they love bombed you and you're in, you're in this now so now they can start peeling back those layers slowly. And it makes it harder to rip away. Exactly, exactly.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it happened gradually, but Becca and her mom were seeing a slightly darker side of Josh emerging.


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[Assistant] And Sonja told Becca, she insisted, she was like, you never, ever go into those woods with them alone or with anybody else, even if you think there's gonna be other kids there, do not go into the woods with them. Yeah, no.


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[Assistant] Josh, obviously, like I was saying earlier, he seemed to love Becca's family, he seemed to like spending time with them.


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[Assistant] But at school and around their friends, he didn't really seem to be proud to be with Becca. And he also wanted to hide the fact that they were a couple. It reminded me of when we were talking about the Betty story a couple weeks ago.


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[Assistant] So the relationship really fell apart in January 2010 and Josh was the one actually that ended up breaking up with Becca and immediately started dating another girl.


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[Assistant] Now, the reason for the breakup, or the reasons, they're still unclear, but Josh occasionally told his friends,


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[Assistant] It was because Becca had quote, tried to trick him into getting her pregnant.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, he broke up with me actually because I wouldn't have unprotected sex with him. Thanks though. Complete opposite. Yeah. Thanks though. Yeah.


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[Assistant] No, they had only dated three or four months, but Becca was really heartbroken over this. Of course, you're 16. It was probably one of her first loves or potentially her first love. Yeah. She was devastated by the end of it and...


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[Assistant] He seemed angry with Becca, and it's like, but you're the one that broke up with her. You broke up with her. Like, I'm not, I'm confused here. Yeah. And then he, after the breakup, he started making comments to his friends about killing Becca.


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[Assistant] What the fuck? We started joking about killing her. Guys, no one jokes about killing someone. That's a flat out blanket statement. One of the biggest themes in this case is joking quote unquote about killing somebody. Murder?


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[Assistant] Murder does not have a punchline. And those are your three rules. If someone's, and especially if someone is consistently joking about murdering someone, a particular person, call the fucking authorities. Call the authorities. Tell your mom. Tell a trusted adult. Call someone. Tell the mailman. Tell someone. Tell someone. And especially if the comments are starting,


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[Assistant] To build and build to be more and more specific, like what happened here.


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[Assistant] And he, uh, told one friend after their breakup, I'm just gonna kill her. Wouldn't life be a lot easier if she wasn't here?


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[Assistant] Just, no, she's not, like, go away. Also, you're fucking 16 years old, life is as easy as it's possibly gonna get. You're gonna live the rest of your life probably never have to see her again. You could walk yourself down to the principal's office and say, hey, I don't really want to be in classes with her anymore, and they'll probably rearrange your whole fucking schedule. Boom! Exactly. And even if they don't,


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[Assistant] Well, I just said exactly like you. I've been finding myself doing that. I love that. I think you've like rubbed off on me. We love a little tea pronunciation. I just realized what I did. I was like, ooh, I pronounced that T. Ma would be so proud of you. She would. We love pronouncing things.


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[Assistant] So Josh's friends, like we were just saying, thought the comments and the threats were just a joke.


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[Assistant] But like I was kind of alluding to earlier, as time went by they started getting more and more detailed, more and more specific, and more intense.


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[Assistant] He was talking about how he could poison Becca with deadly plants and nightshades.


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[Assistant] But it's so confusing because you broke up with her.


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[Assistant] Like I don't understand. That's what a breakup is. You don't like each other anymore. So you break up.


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[Assistant] Now, it seems like despite his charming personality with adults, Becca had seen Josh's darker side


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[Assistant] Probably more times than she ended up admitting to her mom, most likely out of uncomfortability, if that's a word. Yea, of course. Or being scared. Now during the investigation into her murder, detectives, with help from Sonya, actually found several pieces of evidence indicating that Josh was actually abusive toward Becca. Fuck that guy.


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[Assistant] There were countless pages of threatening and abusive MSN chats. Do you remember those? Oh my god, MSN chats. They used to chat over that and like he was awful to her. And actually there was one incident where he used colored hairspray to write, Becca is a slag on her bedroom wall.


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[Assistant] It's awful. Now even adults obviously struggle to keep it friendly and amicable after a breakup, so the fact that there was some animosity and heartbreak between Josh and Becca who were two teenagers, it's understandable. Or would've been. But this situation is completely different. His hatred of Becca was just like,


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[Assistant] And Sonja thinks this anger all stems from Josh's ego. Because once he got what he wanted from Becca, and she started setting boundaries around things like sex, Josh ended the relationship.


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[Assistant] Yup. Intending to hurt Becca. And he did hurt her, but not for very long. I think he thought like this was just gonna be the end all be all for her. Oh yeah. But when her heartbreak started to wear off...


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[Assistant] She proved herself to be way more resilient than Josh had ever expected. Of course. She completely bounced back. Yep. She was doing incredible in school. So much so actually that she was doing better than him. Good. And I think that miffed his ego. Yep.


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[Assistant] If he had intended their breakup as another way to control Becca,


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[Assistant] His plan was backfiring and that's what pissed him off. He failed. And it was backfiring in a very public way, so I think he felt embarrassed. Oh my god, get over your fucking ego. Seriously. Jesus Christ. If you look up a picture of him. Oh I did.


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[Assistant] Ego, ego, ego, ego, ego. It's oozing out of his pores.


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[Assistant] So by the end of the school year, Becca had actually already started dating another boy, another Josh actually. But this is Josh Humphries. Better Josh. Better Josh. The new relationship really seemed to piss Josh Davies off because she had moved on. And when it came, and I think he was really specifically angry about Becca


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[Assistant] If her mom liked this new Josh as much as she had liked him.


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[Assistant] It's like, are you alright? Exactly. Bro. It's also like, you could still be a part of this family if you weren't a piece of shit. But you suck. It was like he felt some kind of ownership, not only over Becca, but her family. Yea, it's all ego. He felt like he deserved their love.


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[Assistant] So weird. And he would say things to her like, I bet she prefers me to be your boyfriend. Probably not. No, I don't think so. I'm gonna say that's a no. And Becca would be like, no, actually she does like new Josh. She's a big fan of him. You know what Josh doesn't do? Joke about being part of the KKK. Yeah, that's one of his most wonderful qualities. Pretty shining quality to me.


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[Assistant] But when she would tell him like, yeah, my mom actually does love him and so does my brother and everybody else, he would like storm off away from her in anger and like make a spectacle. What a child.


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[Assistant] Literally. What a literal toddler. So Sonja thinks, again, that it wasn't only just the ego, but that it was Becca's resilience too that made Josh Davey so pissed off.


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[Assistant] Now while she may have been resilient and independent, unfortunately,


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[Assistant] She actually ended the relationship because old Josh started hinting that he wanted to get back together if she would, like, get rid of her current boyfriend. So she did, because...


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[Assistant] Remember, she knows old Josh, and whatever piece of her still loved him, loved him. Yeah. I get it. It was like that, he showed you the good parts, and that's what you hang on to. And I think because she was a romantic, and this is just an inference, because like, speaking from experience, I wonder if she had the like, I can fix him mentality. Oh, I wonder too, yeah.


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[Assistant] My mom really did like him, so like, there must be some good piece of him. And there was all these good times. And like, I'm good, so I can show him how to be good. I think it was that, yeaah. So when their relationship ended toward the end of summer, Becca stayed friends with Josh Humphreys, luckily. But she was still holding out hope that she and Josh Davies would get back together.


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[Assistant] Now Bad Josh was still privately, quote unquote, joking with his friends that he could kill Becca and get away with it. Friends, you gotta speak up. These friends are pieces of shit. I was gonna say, this is on your shit too. Yeah. So by that fall, even his friends had joined in.


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[Assistant] Get out of there. Run. And call someone. Report that. Let people know. That's not just gonna go away. Especially as like a teenager, if you're a young kid, that's not normal behavior. No, and you don't just like...


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[Assistant] Stop joking about murder one day. No, it's never a joke. It's gonna escalate. Like I never had any friends who legit, who joked about killing someone. It never happened. Literally never. Don't let it happen. No. So back to the morning of October 22nd.


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[Assistant] Becca woke up early on that morning and she told her mom she was just too excited to stay to sleep.


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[Assistant] Because she had plans to meet up with Josh that afternoon, and he was still hinting heavily that he wanted to get back together.


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[Assistant] She actually went out shopping with her aunt Linda the day before and bought a new outfit for the date. She bought a red jacket and brown ankle boots. That destroys my heart. And she just hoped that that would impress Josh and that they could start things up again.


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[Assistant] She spent most of the morning just anxiously killing time. At one point Sonya drew a bath for her to try to get her like,


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[Assistant] Now as the morning went on, Becca was starting to get more and more concerned because she hadn't heard from Josh about these plans. They had made these plans earlier this week, or earlier that week, excuse me, that he was going to text her when he was ready, but by that afternoon she still hadn't heard from him.


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[Assistant] So Becca tried to reassure her and she said, you know what boys are like, he's probably still in bed. Yeah. Now when Josh finally did text, it was around 1 PM and Becca immediately called her aunt Linda, who was going to be driving her to the park. And she was like, it's time to go. And she was so excited. When Linda arrived, she grabbed her handbag. Becca did.


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[Assistant] And rushed out the door, but just as she was about to head out, she looked at her mom and like I said, she said, bye mom, I love you.


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[Assistant] That's the part that just wrenches my heart out. I mean, thank goodness she said that, but like, seriously, no one should ever look at their kid.


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[Assistant] For the last time. Never. You know, like it's just like walking out the door. No. That's just awful.


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[Assistant] So when Sonja heard about the plans that Becca had made with Josh that afternoon, she was immediately suspicious and uneasy about it because she knew how badly the breakup had affected Becca.


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[Assistant] And again, she had learned some of those manipulative and abusive things that he had said and done both before and after the relationship had ended.


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[Assistant] But Becca had been working on her mom and trying to convince her that things were better.


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[Assistant] She said things had changed and she said, he's okay now, he's back to the old Josh again. Oh, we've all done that. We totally have. And you just want your mom to like...


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[Assistant] You're like, come on, like, I know, like, it's always that classic, I know him. He's different when he's just with me. You know, like, it's always, I've said those words before. Of course. You know, like, I remember trying. I think so many people have. Yeah, I remember trying to convince my parents that, like, like, bad John.


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[Assistant] To tell Becca like, you know, I'm really cautious about this, but I want you to be happy. That's the impression that I get. Exactly. And you also want your kid to experience and learn from situations instead of just directing them what to do. Right. And it's like, you would never think something like this would happen, whatever is about to happen. And it's like, you think, okay,


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[Assistant] There might be some heartbreak out of this. I am predicting it.


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[Assistant] But I will just be here for her. I can only give her so much.


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[Assistant] I completely agree. Like that must be a really hard position to be in. And I think it was because everything in her was telling her like, I don't know about this guy, but nothing inside of her was telling her like, I think Becca could get physically hurt. No! Emotionally? Absolutely. Physically? No. You never would believe that. No.


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[Assistant] But the suspicions that things weren't going to really go well


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[Assistant] Crept back up when Becca called her mom about an hour after she had been dropped off at the park to say that she still hadn't heard from Josh.


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[Assistant] So he texted her at one and said, I'm ready, like, let's go meet. She got dropped off at the park. And again, I don't think, I'm pretty sure Sonya didn't realize that they were going to go off into the woods because she had told Becca, like, don't go into the woods. She thought this was the park.


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[Assistant] And now she's been waiting at that park for an hour and hasn't heard anything.


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[Assistant] So Sonia's like, what the fuck? She's worried and she doesn't want Becca hanging around a random park all afternoon by herself.


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[Assistant] So she's getting more and more frustrated. She's like, this is getting ridiculous. He's giving you all these elaborate.


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[Assistant] She was like, it was like it was some kind of mission between two secret spies, like it was ridiculous. Yes, no. On his end.


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[Assistant] And so they chatted for a bit because I think Sonya was like, well, stay on the phone with me a little bit. Like, I'm nervous.


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[Assistant] And as they were on the phone, Becca finally spotted Josh walking down the street in her direction, so she was like, oh, I see him, like, we're good, and I'll talk to you later. And Sonia's like, okay, like, be careful, I love you.


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[Assistant] Now what happened next is not entirely clear.


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[Assistant] Josh Davies would eventually admit to killing Becca.


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[Assistant] He did kill her. But the confession actually came well after a trial was over.


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[Assistant] So because of that, the details of Becca's murder would end up being kinda cobbled together from the forensic evidence and testimony of his friends.


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[Assistant] From what the investigators pieced together, Josh and Becca had walked to his house actually and spent a little bit of time there,


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[Assistant] And while they were there, this breaks my fucking heart, cause I picture-


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[Assistant] Like, us doing this. Becca gave her sister a call to give her an update, and like said like, it's going well, like, this is what we're doing. Oh my god, this kills me. It's just so pure. It is, like, she's just...


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[Assistant] This is, this is everybody. Just like a typical teenage girl, so excited about rekindling a relationship, calling your sister, like your best friend, be like,


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[Assistant] So at some point they left Josh's house for the woods nearby and they made their way to an isolated area in the trees. And this probably kills our mom too because her mom was so specific about do not go in those woods. Exactly. But 15 year olds get a 15 year old. Of course.


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[Assistant] They'd either been talking or potentially arguing, we don't know, because again, their relationship did get contentious at points. And Becca turned away from Josh for a moment during this. With her back turned to him, he grabbed her around the throat, suddenly out of nowhere, and actually was attempting to break her neck.


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[Assistant] But he didn't know how to, and she started screaming, obviously.


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[Assistant] And he was afraid that her screams were going to draw attention he said.


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[Assistant] So he grabbed a rock that was quote unquote the size of a rugby ball.


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[Assistant] And he just kept hitting her and hitting her while she's down on the ground, like face down. Wow, what a big tough guy. Exactly.


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[Assistant] And he would later tell his friends, and this is very graphic, that the worst part of all of it was quote, seeing Becca's skull give away. Oh my god. This was brutal. Brutal on a level that I can't believe he's a 16 year old boy.


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[Assistant] That's what is really getting me. This is a 16 year old that did this to a girl he claimed to love. Oh.


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[Assistant] He hit her a total of six times, which caused obviously significant head trauma and brain damage that would ultimately be the cause of death.


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[Assistant] And after the sixth strike he realized that the rock was covered in blood and hair, so he tossed it into some nearby bushes.


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[Assistant] Wow. You're so callous. Awesome. So callous. You're disgusting. And he also told friends that there was blood on Becca's face, so he flipped her over to lay face down at one point. So that quote, nobody would see it.


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[Assistant] And then he sent a bunch of texts to Becca's phone saying that people were starting to worry about her and that she better get into contact with someone to let them know where she was. Gaslighting her even in death.


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[Assistant] And so much, like, wow. And it proves that you weren't, like, you can't go on later and say that you were, had gone quote unquote insane in that moment. Yeah, you can. Like, you don't have an insanity defense.


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[Assistant] And it wasn't even just like he flipped in the moment kind of thing. He had been talking about killing her for weeks. Of course. And we'll find out, there are entire text chains that will support that.


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[Assistant] So as the afternoon started turning over into the evening, Linda, who was the aunt of Becca, and Sonya's sister, so Linda calls Sonya and she's like, I haven't heard from Becca about where she wants to be picked up.


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[Assistant] And I'm starting, I just have this gut feeling, like Linda just felt like something was off. Yeah, this family's close. And she actually told Sonya she isn't coming home tonight. Oh. She just knew it. I actually just, I've read that a million times. Yeah, that just gave me full chills. And I still just got them. And Linda couldn't put into words why she felt that way, it was just something she knew.


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[Assistant] That's so scary. And Sonja was like, of course she's coming home tonight. Like she's gonna be home later. She probably just got held up somewhere. Cause I think in her mind she was like, I can't go there right now. Oh, of course not. And then she remembered.


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[Assistant] That Becca had mentioned something about Josh's mom driving her home if it had gotten too late, like into their hangout. But still, Linda couldn't shake the feeling.


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[Assistant] Came later that night when Sonya agai- er, excuse me, Linda again called Sonya to tell her


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[Assistant] That she had actually talked to Josh's dad, Linda had.


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[Assistant] That he hadn't seen his son or Becca at all that day.


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[Assistant] Because before Becca had left the house earlier that day,


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[Assistant] Sonya had actually given Becca her cellphone to use, because remember this is 2010.


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[Assistant] And especially so because she was afraid to leave the house in case Becca came back. In case she showed up. Right.


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[Assistant] So Sonja ended up calling the police at 7.15pm.


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[Assistant] Now as the night unfolded, friends and family, they searched for Becca everywhere they could think of looking. Anywhere she could possibly be. Linda and Becca's little sister Jess went to Josh Humphrey's house. The new ex. The good Josh. Good Josh. But nobody was home.


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[Assistant] So from there, they went to Sarn where Becca was supposed to meet with Josh Davies that afternoon, like the park.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now while all that was going on, Sonja was able to charge the phone from her brother, and she was just calling Becca and Josh's numbers over and over and over.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and she also tried to get into contact with Good Josh, but each time she would say who was calling, he would hang up on her and eventually stopped answering calls. There's an answer for that later. Oh, cause I was like, Josh. I know, I was too. Good Josh, why am I calling you that? Don't get mad at him. Okay. Don't get mad at him. Okay. There was a reason.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now Sonia was finally able to reach Josh Davies at his grandmother's house. It's kind of confusing because he like, he's at his house at one point, he's at his aunt's house, and he's at his grandma's. I don't know if they all just live on the same street or what, but.


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[Assistant] She finally, she was able to get in contact with him at 9 o'clock that night. My god, her panic. So Becca had left the house around 1. She's been gone for like 8 hours at this point.


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[Assistant] And he told Sonja that he actually wasn't able to meet up with Becca that afternoon. And so, um.


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[Assistant] Now for a minute Sonia was like, I guess that makes sense. And she's in a state where she's desperate to find her daughter safe. And that's a reasonable answer. So she's like,


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[Assistant] Okay, like in her head, kinda trying to figure it out.


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[Assistant] But then she remembered that earlier when she was talking to Becca on the phone, she had said that she saw Josh coming down the street.


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[Assistant] So she said, are you telling me you weren't standing in front of her while she was on the phone to me? And he paused and then said, no.


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[Assistant] Wow, liar. So Sonja asked again, like, so did you see Becca today? Giving him another opportunity. If you wanna come clean here? And he just repeated the story that he had already told. Liar. He hadn't seen Becca, and as far as he knew, she was with Humphreys. Your pants are on fucking fire. God, I wish.


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[Assistant] Did she have any reason or history of doing something like this? And so on and so forth.


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[Assistant] It's like yeaah, let's just paint her to be somebody who just runs away when things get tough. And it's like the answer is no. Move on.


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[Assistant] And so at first, of course, the officers kinda suspected that Becca had gone to a party and drank too much.


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[Assistant] That this was the most logical explanation and they were going to go around and check the usual party spot.


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[Assistant] So they wasted time after her mom told her she's not at a party. And they were like, okay, we're gonna go check. We're gonna go check some parties. Which like, I get to an extent, I know you have to rule it out, but it's like,


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[Assistant] Do you have to spread all your resources to that? Well that's, I was gonna say, you wanna check party spots by all means. Send a couple officers. For sure, but you gotta split up your resources and start checking other places too. You can't narrow it down right now. Exactly, especially when you're being told that that's probably not where to look.


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[Assistant] Now the rest of the night was just a flurry of phone calls, late night drives around town, just desperate, desperately searching for her, literal horror, no results. So at 7am the next morning,


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[Assistant] Sonja called the police again, but they had no update for her.


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[Assistant] Now when she called again an hour later at 8am, she was told that the officer handling this specific case had been called away, quote, on a rapid response.


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[Assistant] So she knew. As soon as she heard rapid response, she was like, I know, it was harrowing. Her heart sank into her stomach and she was like, this emergency absolutely has something to do with Becca's disappearance. And unfortunately she was right.


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[Assistant] Earlier that morning, officers were searching near the park where Becca was last seen, and they found her. She was obviously, as we know, lying face down in that isolated area of the woods. They'd spent all morning following up on leads they'd gathered throughout the night. And they spoke to Joshua Humphries, who told them,


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Which, that makes sense. I'm not gonna yell at you, Josh. Exactly. Maybe just say- Also, like, why were you at a club?


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[Assistant] I think he might have been a little older. I was gonna say, you go home. I think you can go to clubs a little bit younger. Yea, I think it's like, it probably means something a little different than what I'm thinking of. Yea. Also, uhm, they used to have like teen nights at clubs. Yea. TBT, the one my cell phone got stolen at one. Yep. Good times. Anyways, he couldn't hear her, so that's why he was hanging up.


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[Assistant] Now they then explained to Sonja that they had found Becca's body through information from actually one of Josh Davey's friends, Liam Thomas.


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[Assistant] Liam told his mom that he knew Josh had done something to Becca.


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[Assistant] So Liam's dad immediately called the police to report the information.


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[Assistant] And after hearing a little more from Liam, they were able to locate Pekka's body.


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[Assistant] Now I'm glad that Liam finally, uh, said something. Took a long time. Yeah, it's a little too late. Oh, it's- I would say.


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[Assistant] Yeah. And also it's like very interesting that you were able to send them right to where she was. Oh, we know why.


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[Assistant] The detectives also told Sonja that they had arrested two boys that they believed were responsible, not Liam, Joshua Davies and Daniel Ninnis.


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[Assistant] I, you can just imagine that if I was Sonya, I'd be like, just put me in a room with him. Just put me in a room with him.


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[Assistant] Who she treated like she would treat her own son. Yep. Could be responsible for this. And she actually assumed that Daniel Ninnis was the one who was truly responsible. Yeah, cause why would you ever think it's the boy that you knew?


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[Assistant] Right, and Ninus actually hated Becca because Becca had turned him down on a date a year previous. Oh my god, the fragility of these fucking boys. Right? The fragility. Mhm. My god. So, Sonya's assumption was reasonable, but the detective actually corrected her when she was like, it must have been Daniel.


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[Assistant] He was like, no, it's Josh who's actually responsible.


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[Assistant] And the detective chief inspector, John, I believe it's Penhale, told Sonja, I've not seen anything like it.


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[Assistant] So Liam had been the one to also bring up Daniel to the police, and now both Daniel and Josh, like I said, had been arrested. And of course, they were sitting in separate rooms blaming each other. Of course. So it was going to take some digging and pressing to get the truth out of them.


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[Assistant] But now let's get into the dynamic between the three friends and what happened the day of the murder before it happened. That morning, Josh actually wasn't in bed. He had met up with those two friends.


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[Assistant] Excuse me, he had met up with Liam Thomas at Cafe 107 in downtown, uh, Aberkenfig.


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[Assistant] They usually met on Saturday mornings for breakfast. So they waited about a half hour for Daniel, who was supposed to meet them, but he didn't show up, so they walked to, I believe, Josh's house.


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[Assistant] Now during their walk, that was when Becca started texting Josh about the plans.


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[Assistant] So later on they ended up meeting with Daniel and Josh told his two friends his plan to meet Becca that afternoon in the forest and said, I'm finally going to go through with my plan.


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[Assistant] No Alina, they said that they thought he was joking. My god, I can't.


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[Assistant] And they said, actually, they thought he was joking and informed investigators, actually, that they joined in themselves and suggested various ways for Josh to kill and dispose of Becca. What is wrong with these little fucks? Like, just typical breakfast behavior. Yeah. The fuck?


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[Assistant] I guess by this point everybody knew about Josh's hatred of Becca and killing her was just a regular topic of their conversations.


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[Assistant] Because a few weeks later, uh, excuse me, a few weeks earlier when the three of them had met up at that breakfast cafe, the subject had come up. And when they all parted ways after breakfast, Josh texted Liam,


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[Assistant] I would buy you a breakfast. If you murdered a human being.


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[Assistant] Wow. So like, round them all up. Cool that you told your daddy and your mommy that you were so scared. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Josh had done something, you knew that he was gonna do something the entire time, and you lulled and said you were gonna buy him breakfast for it. Yeah, these are disgusting little shits. So go fuck yourself, Liam. Truly. Now around one o'clock that afternoon, Josh headed out as we know to meet Becca. And before walking off,


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[Assistant] He solidified what he was gonna go do and said to his friends, the time has come.


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[Assistant] But if your friend is walking away from you implying that they're heading off to go murder someone,


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[Assistant] So about an hour and a half had gone by and Liam decided to text Josh to find out what was going on. It's like...


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[Assistant] Were you excited? Like, did you do it? So his text went unanswered because as we know, that was going on. So Josh's silence prompted both boys to actually leave Daniel's house and walk down to the park where Josh said he was going to meet Becca.


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[Assistant] Which to me says they were starting to worry that he was going to do something. Absolutely.


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[Assistant] So standing at the entrance to the forest, Liam called Josh again, and when he answered, Josh demanded to speak with Daniel. And he said Daniel needed to come meet him in that remote part of the woods.


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[Assistant] The only reason that Liam didn't go with him is because he was on crutches because of a rugby injury.


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[Assistant] So Daniel returned a little bit later and told Liam that he had seen Becca's body lying face down on the ground and said that Josh didn't seem phased or upset by any of it. My god.


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[Assistant] Taken a human life. And showed you. Showed you it. And now you're all just gonna bro out this afternoon? Disgusting. What the motherfuck dude. Truly disgusting. So at the house Josh told them everything that happened.


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[Assistant] I don't know if Daniel was like overwhelmed or couldn't accept it or if he's a fucking piece of shit, I think the latter.


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[Assistant] So he called his mom and asked her to pick him up as soon as possible. And before he left,


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[Assistant] Josh made Liam delete all the text messages between them.


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[Assistant] And told both of his friends if anybody asked to say that they had all been together all afternoon.


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[Assistant] My god, this kid is diabolical. And also, sweetie pie sugar buns, text messages don't go anywhere. Exactly, if they want those, they're gonna get those, honey.


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[Assistant] So when he was arrested, Josh Davies told the police, oh, it was all Daniel. He murdered Becca. I had nothing to do with it. No, of course not. He said he had only told Daniel that he killed Becca in order to prank him because lol.


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[Assistant] What? Seems like a legit scenario. Uh, didn't take long for investigators to determine that, uh, that was a lie. Yeah. And Daniel Nines was actually released into his parents' custody 36 hours after he was arrested. Which he shouldn't be. No, and I think Liam should have been arrested in my opinion. You're an accessory. I agree. You were there.


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[Assistant] So the news about Becca's murder and the arrest of the two local boys was reported a few days later to the absolute shock and horror of the small community. Horrifying. The area actually had recently seen a large uptick in the number of murders that year, and at that point it was second on the list, um, to the village of Pontripet, I believe, as the Wales murder capital. Oh my god. So they were like, what the fuck is going on around here? And then the details in Becca's case


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[Assistant] So nobody knew who this was, but they were able to release his age, which again came as a major shock to this community. He was, I think I may have accidentally said earlier that he was 16, he was 15. Oh my god.


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[Assistant] That's horrifying. Like it's one thing for a teenager to be murdered by an adult, but like that's horrific and terrifying and scary, but for a teenager to brutally kill another teenager for quite literally


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[Assistant] And since his arrest, he had been housed at, I believe it's Vinny Green.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's on the outskirts of Bristol and it's for young offenders who have committed like really serious crimes. Okay. So like an intense juvie. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now the authorities were actually so nervous that the inmates might want to take revenge, like the local inmates who


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[Assistant] What maybe would have known Becca or even still just like knew where she was from. Yeaah. They were scared that they were gonna wanna like retaliate.


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[Assistant] And so they couldn't tell anybody that Josh was in there for the murder of a local girl. So instead they said that he was being held on possession of GHB.


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[Assistant] I agree, but at the same time, I'm like, protect him during the trial so that the family can get peace and then feed him to the fucking wolves. But then, but then you, you deal with the consequences of your actions, my friend. Exactly. And I think that's kind of what this was. It was like, let's get through trial. No, it makes sense. Cause it's just like initial reaction. You're like, no, don't hide what he did. Oh, that's my initial reaction too. But you are absolutely correct.


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[Assistant] So he was mostly kept away from the other inmates to avoid any issue before trial. Now after eight months of negotiations, plannings, pretrial hearings, it all took forever.


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[Assistant] Josh Davey's trial finally began at the Crown support, excuse me, the Crown Court of Swansea on June 22nd, 2011.


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[Assistant] And it was expected to last around five weeks. So the prosecutor was Greg Taylor, and in his opening statement he told the jury all about the breakup.


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[Assistant] How Josh had bragged about wanting to kill Becca for a while now.


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[Assistant] He continued to place the blame for her murder on his best friend and he said to the jury


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[Assistant] The prosecution says this boy sitting on the bench before you committed the murder. And then he went on to tell the jury in full detail about all the abuse that Becca had suffered from Josh in the months after their breakup and during their relationship.


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[Assistant] He included when he was telling the jury that Josh had told a friend, I want to make her life hell and you won't convince me otherwise.


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[Assistant] Now to close out his opening statement, Taylor drove home just how callous and cold Josh was by telling the jury,


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[Assistant] About the breakfast bet between the friends. That's truly incredible.


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[Assistant] And then told them about the group chat that the three of them shared where they went back and forth with ideas on how to kill Becca. You know.


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[Assistant] It's so messed up. You want to pretend it was a joke? It's not. She was murdered. So now you're in trouble.


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[Assistant] And you should be. Yeah. So that's really frustrating to me that they weren't. It's infuriating. The first two witnesses I just called on the first day of trial were Becca's friends, and they were able to give even more details about the abuse and the constant talk of killing Becca.


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[Assistant] One of the friends actually who was testifying had even been in a fight with Josh over how he was treating Becca, but things were getting so contentious that Becca actually texted him


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[Assistant] Now the third witness called that day was Becca's mom, Sonja.


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[Assistant] Among other things, she told the jury about her daughter's relationship with Josh, the way he had been welcomed into her family.


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[Assistant] And she's told the jury how she had been and she said she was very cross with him in that past year for how he was treating Becca after the breakup.


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[Assistant] She told the jury all about the morning that Becca had spent getting ready so excitedly to meet Josh.


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[Assistant] She said how she was so excited she couldn't even sleep


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[Assistant] And it must have been fucking gut-wrenching for her to go through that, but I'm so glad she got the opportunity to paint that picture for the jury. Like, my little girl was so fucking excited for this, and this is what he did to her. Ugh, that's fucked.


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[Assistant] So when she finished answering the prosecutor's questions, Sonja prepared herself for the cross-examination by Josh's defense lawyer, Peter Rauch.


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[Assistant] Since Josh had tried to place all the blame on Daniel, Sonja was expecting a ton of questions about Daniel and his relationship with Becca.


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[Assistant] But he only had one singular, very bizarre question for Sonya. Just one.


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[Assistant] He asked her, could Becca swim? And when Sonia said, no, she couldn't, he declared he had no further questions.


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[Assistant] That's chilling. How weird is that? Now the question confused Sonja and it would actually be weeks until she learned


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[Assistant] It was asked because there was a supposed plan that Josh Davies had developed with Daniel Nines to throw Becca into a lake or quarry.


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[Assistant] Which he thought would be easy because of her inability to swim.


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[Assistant] My brain like won't even comprehend this. I don't really understand what the defense thought they were doing here. Like what was the rest of your line of questioning?


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[Assistant] Cause it's like- Or was it bolstered when she said no she couldn't swim? Well I think that's pro- like, but what a risky move to make. Yeah, it backfired. Because it's like-


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[Assistant] And then you've just outed the fact that he was definitely planning to kill her because she couldn't swim. Well, and I think that's why he had no line of further questioning. But like, why would you even give that a shot? That is a risky, that's bad lawyer. Bad lawyer right there. Bad lawyer.


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[Assistant] Now, there was a ton of testimony given in court, but once they'd adjourned for the day,


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[Assistant] So fucked up. Like, sensationalizing this entire thing. Yeah. And also completely ignoring the detailed accounts of abuse and threats that led up to the murder. Yeah. He didn't just murder her for free breakfast. Exactly. There was way more at play there.


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[Assistant] But of course, following lead, countless other news outlets honed in on the free breakfast comment. And just concentrated on that. And this became the free breakfast case. Of course.


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[Assistant] It's like you're completely ignoring the themes of domestic violence and abuse here, but cool. Can we please talk about that?


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[Assistant] Now of course, while it may have been blown out of proportion, the comment about the free breakfast was of significance to the prosecutions case because it shows how callous and cold they are. No, it's definitely important for sure. But it's the fact that it wasn't sensationalized by the media is not cool. And the fact that it's being


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[Assistant] But for the prosecution, they were like, we can use this because it shows intent and premeditation. That I understand. I totally get that.


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[Assistant] So Josh texts Liam and says, don't say anything, but you may just owe me a breakfast.


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[Assistant] And Liam says, best text I ever had mate, seriously. If it is true, I'm happy to pay for a breakfast.


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[Assistant] Pick up Liam, everybody. Let's go pick up that little shit stain. Then Josh said, I hope by then it will be done and dusted. Liam said, I want all the details, you sadistic bastard. Smiley face.


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[Assistant] To act like you're this terrified little puppy dog who's so scared that you're gonna get in trouble that you had to call mommy to come get you? Go!


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[Assistant] Fuck yourself. Yeah, it's like here you are talking a big game to your friend, the murderer. And did you tell your mom that part? Yeah. Were you scared of yourself? Did you tell your mom that you wanted every detail and you told him that with a winky smiley face? And that you were the one gonna get the free breakfast? Yeah. Did you let mommy and daddy know that? Did you let them know? You piece of shit. I'm like red in the face, I'm so angry, I can feel it. That's so gross.


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[Assistant] So in the next day at trial, Daniel Nines and Liam Thomas' statements were given in two parts. First, the jury saw video testimony where both boys gave their accounts of what happened.


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[Assistant] And then each boy was called to the stand to testify again to what they had seen and heard on the day of the murder. And I hope they were shaking in their fucking boots. And I hope everyone on that jury saw them for exactly what they were, accessories to murder. Exactly.


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[Assistant] And like many of the other teenagers who gave statements and testimony, they both said they never took Josh seriously. Daniel told the prosecutor, I thought it was a joke, a sort of slag-off sort of thing. God, shut the fuck up. But he did admit.


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[Assistant] So after the testimony from Ninus and Thomas to pieces of human garbage and wet lettuce and everything awful in the world, like that junk that gets caught in your dish, uhm,


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[Assistant] There was a lot of damage to the back of the head, but then when we looked at the front of her face, there were scratches and bruises everywhere.


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[Assistant] But that was because he was essentially beating her into the ground from the, like as she was lying face down. Oh, that's awful. Brutal. Absolutely brutal. Truly.


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[Assistant] And his testimony stressed how brutal this was, because not only had Josh tried to break Becca's neck,


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[Assistant] He also continued this assault on her after she was motionless on the ground. This was overkill.


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[Assistant] So closing arguments were given by the prosecution and the defense on July 21st, and then the jury adjourned to deliberate.


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[Assistant] And they actually deliberated for nearly three days. Oh wow. And they returned their verdict on Wednesday, July 27th, guilty as


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[Assistant] Fuck. Guilty, guilty, guilty. So on September 2nd, 2011, Josh headed back to Swansea for sentencing.


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[Assistant] And the judge in the case, Justice Lloyd Jones, read him to fucking Phil. Good.


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[Assistant] And showed just how disgusted he was with Josh's complete lack of remorse for the murder.


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[Assistant] Which was the maximum penalty allowed for an underage offender. Bye, bitch. And when the trial concluded, Sonya was able to make a statement to the press where she called for the return of the death penalty. Oh damn. And told them she hoped Josh would never see the outside of prison again. She said, I don't blame her at all. I would have said the exact same thing. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's like her first baby. That is your baby girl. You have a right to say whatever the hell you want to this piece of filth. Like Becca made her a mom, and he took that away. He could never take that away, but he took Becca. Took that baby away from her.


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[Assistant] So at the end of the day, Sonja was as happy as she could be with the outcome of the trial and she, she knew that the judge imposed the maximum sentence allowed. So there was that.


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[Assistant] Now, overall just the fact that a teenager could be so cruel to murder his ex-girlfriend for what they thought was a free breakfast.


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[Assistant] Was totally sensational, like I was saying, and readers were shocked around the UK.


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[Assistant] But I think it's so important to stress that it wasn't about free breakfast. Josh was controlling and he was abusive.


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[Assistant] And he manipulated Becca during their relationship and after it.


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[Assistant] I think he hoped that dumping her would be devastating to her.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't. So this was like a final dig when he didn't have any use for her anymore. Cause she didn't need you.


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[Assistant] Now when the trial ended, Sonja actually ended up moving her family away from the area to start the grieving process.


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[Assistant] And in 2014, she published Bye Mom, I Love You, which is a memoir about her experience with the justice system in the wake of Becca's murder. Oh my God, destroy my heart. And I actually ended up using it a lot for research on this case, and so did Dave.


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[Assistant] And now in 2018, Josh Davies actually finally confessed to Becca's murder.


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[Assistant] Interestingly enough. He actually confessed. In 2018 though. Oh, but you had said he didn't get, he was very vague, right? He was very vague.


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[Assistant] His reasons for murder still remain unclear. Piece of shit to the end. And Sonja believes that his confession was only made in preparation for an appeal. Yeah. Which I agree. I absolutely agree with that. She told reporters, he's only doing it for his own benefit. Not that he has any empathy for this family. It's cruel. It is cruel. Mhm.


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[Assistant] Now, if that is the case, like if he does try to go up for an appeal or probation or anything like that,


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[Assistant] We'll get on a fucking plane to Wales if they need me to, and stand there next to them. After hearing this, I'm like, hell yes. Like, keep that motherfucker in jail. Is there a petition?


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[Assistant] We're doing it. Get that shit going. Hell yeah. Because that is a horrifying tale. A horrifying, horrifying tale. It, it reminds me of uhm, the Slenderman stuff. It does. It's got that same vibe to it. It does.


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[Assistant] Yeah, of course he did. He thought he was diabolical. He was like, oh, I got this. I'm cunning. I can do it. And then I'll just go get free breakfast. Yeah, I'll get free breakfast and I'll blame it on my friend and it'll be fine. I hope that every breakfast he has gives him food poisoning. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Fuck you. Diarrhea.


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[Assistant] You. Fuck you. But yea guys. Horrifying. That was the sad, sad case of Rebecca Illward. Wow. Well thank you for sharing. No prob.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yea guys, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it.


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[Assistant] No, I'm just kidding. This is a message because I think a couple of episodes ago we talked about how we are going back to the OG way of doing things. We're doing two episodes a week, two big old honkin' delicious juicy episodes with one listener tale a month just as a little cherry little glitter on top of a crazy month.


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[Assistant] And we're gonna keep doing that, but I think we were also debating what days would be best for this new two episode a week cadence, cause we figured.


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[Assistant] You know, from Wednesday to Monday is a long wait for us and for you. Too much. We'd all be sad.


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[Assistant] We don't want that. So we finally came up with a good cadence. We're gonna drop episodes on Monday and Thursday from here on out. So Mondays, Thursdays. That's when they'll come out on Wondery Plus. Then a week later, you will get them Monday and Thursday for everybody else.


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[Assistant] That's what we're going to do. You deserve consistency. We want to give it to you. I know we didn't do that in the first like three years. We were like willy nilly, whenever you get episodes, here it is. But you know, we're in that consistency train and we want to stay on that.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I think this is gonna work for everybody. It just feels better. We don't want that big chunk of time between episodes. You don't either.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, that's what we're gonna do. Mondays, Thursdays, new episodes. We're excited about it. It lets us really put more time and effort into these episodes, which is what they deserve and what you deserve.


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[Assistant] And we fucking love you and I can't wait to see you every Monday and Thursday. I know I won't see you. I realize that I won't even hear you, but it feels like I will and you will hear me. So we're all in this together. We're best friends. Thanks guys. Mondays, Thursdays, whoop whoop.


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[Assistant] I'm still, what's the word? Reeling. Reeling. Reeling. Reeling. Jonathan Van Ness is a sweetheart, we love them, we adore them, we


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think we are. We can't get over this, Fender. This, the scandal of it all. Scandal of all. But yeah, this was a lot of fun. This was definitely, uhm, definitely a chit chatty episode, but I promise you guys, there's a very...


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[Assistant] See what we did there. But I mean, without further ado, here it is.


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[Assistant] Just a whole seven months. All the receipts.


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[Assistant] And Tom Schwartz was married to another cast member, and they are in the middle of a divorce.


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[Assistant] So it was like, big deal even for that, but then when it turned into Tom Sandoval, it's like, well, he's currently in a relationship.


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[Assistant] That era was such an era. Like I remember watching her on TV. Me too. I remember like the Nancy Kerrigan of it all.


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[Assistant] 2004 I was graduating high school.


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[Assistant] How do you not think old people are like the cutest? I love old people. Ugh. So cute.


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[Assistant] And you'd be scared that that person you murdered in that home that you are now living in is gonna haunt you. Haunt your ass. You'd probably be pretty paranoid.


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[Assistant] Also, you're fucking gross. Like, I love that he had the whole like, this is what I'm doing. Like, fuck off.


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[Assistant] And they're 19, like 19 is well above the age. Of course it is.


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[Assistant] They could definitely tell whether a wound is post or peri-mortem or pre-mortem.


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[Assistant] But if they wash, I mean maybe, I don't know when she died at that point, but they washed her. Yea. Like if they washed her up and like cleaned up, that's a lot of time and that's enough time for blood to clot.


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[Assistant] Which means any of those wounds, you could tell whether they were done pre or post.


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[Assistant] So like, I guess that could cause a lot of damage, especially if you went, you know, head over feet.


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[Assistant] There would also, I feel like, be like, I know that they put down the newspapers, but it's like, there would be some spray. Like that hit would cause some kind of splash.


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[Assistant] Ugh, god, that hurt. That's what kills me, like that part. Yeah. Sweet ol' little Marina.


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[Assistant] I'm sorry, if you held down an 84 year old who had already been bludgeoned, you're a fucking monster too.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, that's the thing, you know you were a pivotal, you played a pivotal role in this whole thing, that's why you didn't say anything. Exactly. Don't play with me Jason, fuck off.


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[Assistant] It's like, I love that that's a defense. It's like, this 19 year old was peer pressured into brutally bludgeoning an 84 year old to death.


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[Assistant] Here's the thing with The Last of Us. You knew. I was like, I won't watch this. Like John, my husband loves an apocalyptic movie. Me too. He loves a worldwide epidemic. I already have my checklist.


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[Assistant] Classic. Now I want to see this pop tart. If you want to get really decadent with it, I should say.


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[Assistant] Then you put them in the toaster, take them out when they're nice and warm. Do you put ice cream on them? No, but that sounds great. Butter. You put a little butter on the crust. And you put butter on the whole thing. Okay good, okay good. You know what I do?


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[Assistant] But I love Pedro Pascal and you will too. And also that third episode. That third episode.


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[Assistant] And the monsters in The Last of Us are some of the most


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[Assistant] Horrifically gorgeous monsters I've never seen. You said there's monsters? They are like the bad things. Ugh.


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[Assistant] And it gets better. Like you get more of them and there's different stages of infected where they look different. Okay. Most gorgeous makeup I've ever seen.


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[Assistant] But did you see the latest episode where Katie quoted Zoolander? I did. I thought of you.


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[Assistant] I love that. I appreciate that. I love Zoolander. It was such a niche reference. Funny to this day.


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[Assistant] And as soon as I see David Bowie say, it's a walk off, it's, I'm over, I'm done, I'm, I'm deceased.


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[Assistant] I made a weird noise, we watched it recently, John and I. Did you? Cause we just were like, we need some Zoolander in our life. Yea. I just really wanted to see Alexander Skarsgard yell orange mocha frappuccino.


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[Assistant] Oh my god, I know. He was so handsome all over the place. He was. It's like when you cried at the last of us and none of us knew what to do. Yeaah, guys.


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[Assistant] I was really like, no, I don't want to get into this because I don't want to get into an apocalyptic one. I watched the first episode and I was like, this is alright. Yeah. Because I was being a dick.


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[Assistant] Hilarious. I know, Elena like doesn't cry, so it's really funny to see that. So it would be pretty funny, you know what, maybe I'll post it. Maybe I'll post it. Because it's pretty funny, I will say. I had real emotions, and I know a lot of people don't think I have real emotions, so I think


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[Assistant] New additions. Uh, no, I am not pregnant. Uh, but I was so... What? Wait, why did I think you were pregnant the other day? Cause I said I have some news. Yes. John and I have some news. And then I said I'm not pregnant. And I almost shat myself cause I have a couple more years before babies.


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[Assistant] Born on Bubba's birthday. Born on Bailey's birthday. And we had 365 days of the year.


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[Assistant] It all kind of lined up and there are two gals. Are you going to say their names? Yea. You gotta. We got Sydney. Hello, Sydney. The Sydney Prescott. And now every time I see her I can say, I always had a thing for you, Sid. And she does. And I do. And the other one is Blanche.


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[Assistant] Miss Blanche over there. And I love them both. They're beautiful.


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[Assistant] It was a puppy-shaped hole in my heart that I didn't want to fill right away, but then I think Bubba was like, girl, it's time.


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[Assistant] Girl, girl, I'm sending you these babes. She's like, girl, treat yourself. Treat yourself, and I said okay.


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[Assistant] That reminds me of trolls. I love it. His name's Branch. Yeah, Branch. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so that's the good news, and that's making us really happy, and it's given us, you know,


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[Assistant] And that's why we're being real with you. Just a little sit down. I mean, I did just sing Ashley Simpson to you. That's true. Without, I wasn't even lip syncing.


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[Assistant] Alright, so I think we should jump right into it. I think it's enough chitchat. Enough chitchat for today, Beth. Enough.


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[Assistant] Alright, well today's case is very sad. It's a very tragic case. Uhm, I was requested a ton in our folder though, that's why I ended up doing it. Oh really?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like you guys know we usually try to stray away from like kid murders. Oh. Yeah, this is...


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[Assistant] A- a teenager. Oh man. And it's a really sad story, but I think it's an important, uh, story to tell, obviously, and again, highly requested. So we're gonna start out on the afternoon of March 3rd, 1989. Uh, Kellyanne Tenyes was at home. She was babysitting her eight-year-old brother, Richie, and the phone rang.


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[Assistant] And then handed off the phone to his sister saying it was somebody calling for her and they were named John.


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[Assistant] Okay. So she had a quick conversation with the caller on the line and then told her brother that she was heading out to go to a friend's house down the street and that she would be right back. That was around three o'clock in the afternoon, but Kelly never did come back.


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[Assistant] So let's talk about who Kelly was and kind of where she came from and her family a little bit. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was a small auto restoration business in their hometown of Valley Springs. And his wife, Victoria, who it must have been named after, she split her time as a medical assistant and a receptionist in a local doctor's office.


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[Assistant] They had those two children, 13 year old Kelly and 8 year old Richie Jr. And the whole family lived in a modest Cape Cod style house located on Horton Road. And they lived with Richard's elderly parents. Okay.


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[Assistant] But as they were getting older, they needed more care and support, like for themselves and for the house.


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[Assistant] Which they were able to get from their son and his wife and the grandchildren. Really like tight-knit family. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And the community on Horton Road in 1989, it was also a super tight-knit community. It was perfect for them because pretty much all of their neighbors were also working class and everybody really looked out for one another. I love that. They were super tight-knit like I said.


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[Assistant] Very actively involved in each other's lives, sometimes to like a surprising extent.


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[Assistant] Oh, I love that. Yeah, it's like the perfect kind of spot to raise your kids. I was gonna say, that's the dream. Yeah, you would think.


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[Assistant] But still, she would play with the younger kids, she would set up games to do with them.


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[Assistant] And because her parents both worked, she really had a lot more responsibility than most kids her age.


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[Assistant] She cared for her brother, she cared for her grandparents while her parents were at work.


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[Assistant] She's just a good kid. Really was. Never wanted to complain about anything and she always just seemed to maintain what people described as her warm, generous, and outgoing disposition.


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[Assistant] And she just like looks that way, she was a little cutie. Now her family knew her as a quote unquote responsible level headed daughter who was like I said reliable, honest, hard working, and also very well organized when it came to school.


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[Assistant] Now, even though her responsibilities at home had increased, especially when her grandparents' health kinda started to decline,


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[Assistant] She still actually managed to carve out time for herself, obviously, which she spent ice skating, which was her favourite thing to do.


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[Assistant] Including her close friend Sharon Stonnell, who lived a couple houses away.


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[Assistant] But obviously that all changed this afternoon in March of 1989.


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[Assistant] So this day, Friday, March 3rd, 1989, started out really like any other typical day for the Tineas family.


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[Assistant] Richard picked Kelly up from school that afternoon. Not out of the ordinary at all. Drove her home. Winter was winding itself down and Kelly was really hoping


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[Assistant] And he needed Kelly to watch her brother until her mom got home from work later that afternoon.


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[Assistant] Her mom and her best friend Roberta Goose had been working together.


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[Assistant] So sad. So when she got home, she grabbed the phone, which you like, so relatable, like the second you get home, just like picking up that phone and calling whoever you can call.


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[Assistant] Stretching that stretchy cord as far as you could go. Yup, I loved that. Ugh, ugh, the best.


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[Assistant] Now, so she called her friend Jennifer, but Jennifer wasn't home and there was no answer.


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[Assistant] So instead she called her dad and she was like, please, can I go ice skating? Like, I really just want to go with my friends. And he was like, girl, I just told you, you gotta wait for your mom. Girl, she'll be home in an hour. Direct quote. No, obviously not.


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[Assistant] So she was disappointed, but she was like, all right, like I'm not getting out of this. So I gotta do what I gotta do. Let me make some more calls.


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[Assistant] More calls on the landline. More calls on the landline.


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[Assistant] So she called up another friend and they chatted a few minutes before hanging up.


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[Assistant] And actually just a few moments after she put the phone in the cradle, uh, back again.


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[Assistant] That's when it rang again, and that's when Richie answered the phone to this John caller. Now according to Richie, after identifying himself, the caller asked to speak with Kelly directly.


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[Assistant] Now after speaking for a good couple minutes, Kelly hung up and about 20 minutes later she told her brother that she was quote, going to her friend Nicole's house just down the street and would be back.


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[Assistant] Now, it was like, Kelly leaving her brother alone when she was supposed to be the one watching him, was weird. It was really out of character for her. Yeah, it seems like it would be. She was usually, as we know, like I just spent the first couple minutes saying this, a very reliable and responsible girl. She's also 13.


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[Assistant] But Nicole told him that Kelly actually hadn't been there and that she wasn't expecting her.


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[Assistant] Oh man. Maybe she fibbed about where she was going. That must have been terrifying for him though. Yea, and it only gets like scarier. So Richie went along and as he walked he ran into another boy in the neighborhood, Harry Finney, who was playing in his yard.


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[Assistant] I'm looking for my sister, like have you seen her? Now as luck would have it, Harry actually did see her, just a few minutes earlier.


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[Assistant] As she was headed into the family, or the, excuse me, as she was headed into the home of the Gollob family. Gollob, yeah. Yeah, thank you, we just looked it up. We just looked it up.


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[Assistant] So Harry just went back to his front yard and Richie returned home and figured, you know, Kelly will be back soon. This is unlike her, but I'm sure she'll be back. Poor Richie. So when he got back at home he did call his dad to say Kelly had left him alone.


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[Assistant] And had said that she was going to see a friend, but had actually gone to the golems house.


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[Assistant] So Richard told his son, go back up to that house and quote, beat on the door and call out for your sister. So he was already feeling like nervous about this. Alarm bells were already going off. Oh, I'm so stressed out for this family. It's horrific.


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[Assistant] Started banging out, or so after he looks up and calls and doesn't get any answer, he goes over to the house and just starts banging on the front door, calling out Kelly's name, but not getting any kind of response.


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[Assistant] But at the same time as he's doing this, he can hear loud music coming from inside of the house. Oh god. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the dog had gotten out, then she would come out from wherever she was. That would get her to move. Exactly, that would get her to move. Oh, but still getting nothing. This poor baby.


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[Assistant] The, but the fact that Kelly was still missing was puzzling. Like they were like, this is weird. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So Victoria started calling around to Kelly's friends and figured she'd find Kelly with one of them. But nobody in her circle had seen her since she left school early that afternoon.


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[Assistant] So Victoria keeps calling whoever she could think of and Richard joins in too when he gets back with their getting like radio silence or just like no helpful tips at all.


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[Assistant] Now it got to the point where Victoria is getting more and more concerned. So she starts going door to door being like, is Kelly here? Have you seen Kelly? Like, had anybody seen her?


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[Assistant] So she gets to Kelly's friend Sharon's Donald's house and Sharon told Victoria that she had seen Kelly earlier, earlier that day. And just like Harry had told Richie, Kelly was going into the Gallup's house down the street.


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[Assistant] I'm so stressed out right now. I know. So after several attempts to reach anybody at the Gollum house by phone or in person, Richard finally got through to the mother, Elizabeth Gollum, a little after 6pm.


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[Assistant] Frustrated seeing as all roads seem to go back to the goleps house, but now they're saying they haven't seen Kelly. Like no. Where the hell is she? Oh my god, he must have wanted to barge into that house. Oh my god, I can't even imagine. I can just feel it for him. It's like on your street, like you are looking at that house, it's your neighbor, exactly. You want to just like break down the door. So he was frustrated.


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[Assistant] Being like, like, what the hell? And seeing as all roads were leading back to that house, he asked if he could speak with John Jay.


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[Assistant] John Jay. Uh oh, John. The Gollum's 14 year old son. God, Johns. What is going on?


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[Assistant] I know. But John Jay, he said he hadn't seen Kelly in a few days actually.


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[Assistant] So, Richard didn't press the boy any further.


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[Assistant] But he did sense a nervous tone in John's, in John Jay's voice that suggested he was not being entirely truthful.


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[Assistant] Oh good. So the rest of that evening was spent searching for Kelly, going from one friend to another just desperately hoping that their daughter was hiding out somewhere.


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[Assistant] nervous that she was gonna be in trouble for walking out on responsibilities, like just holding onto any hope they possibly could. Now let's talk a little bit about the Gallup family.


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[Assistant] Most of the families on Horton Road were like actively involved in each other's lives and community events and they all kind of engaged with each other.


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[Assistant] They preferred to keep to themselves. The father, John Gullab Sr.


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[Assistant] He ran Getty gas station in town and he didn't really like to hang out with the neighbors. He didn't like to go to block parties, barbecues.


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[Assistant] He just kinda kept to himself and worked on his car or his boat. Okay. You know? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now his wife Elizabeth, she was a little bit more active in the community and more familiar with the neighbors.


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[Assistant] But she liked hanging out with her own friends and acquaintances at church or at the Keystone Yacht Club. That was her kind of deal. That was her gym? Yeah.


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[Assistant] So the family had moved to Horton Road a little over 20 years earlier, actually, and that was all there was to it. Okay. Now the Gollaps had three children.


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[Assistant] Adele was their oldest and she had gone off to college, married and started a family with her husband in Manhattan. So she's not really a player in this at all.


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[Assistant] Then there was 21 year old Robert and 14 year old John Jay. They both lived at home still with their parents.


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[Assistant] In 1989, Robert was an unemployed bodybuilder. He had graduated high school but didn't want to go to college and was just kind of living at home.


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[Assistant] Where he would quote often put in up, uh, up to three hours a day at the gym.


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[Assistant] Cool. Like that's a little excessive, bro. Yeaah. He was 5'3", so he was very focused on looking as big as he possibly could.


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[Assistant] And aside from the gym, he would just be at home in the family's basement or working on his tan at the nearby Tan Your Booty.


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[Assistant] This all sounds incredibly healthy. I don't, I don't see anything wrong with it. Totally. I love that that place is called tan your booty. Like imagine opening a business called


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[Assistant] Tan your booty. It's literally just like, tan your butt. Tan your butt. Tan your ass. Should have named it that and stopped her tunity. Right? Now like his brother, 14 year old John Jay was


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[Assistant] Rather unremarkable to be honest. He was a freshman in high school, but most of the time he skipped class to smoke weed with his friends.


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[Assistant] Cool. In general, he was known to the neighbors as a troublemaker and he definitely was not the sort of person that anybody expected Kelly to be hanging out with. It was weird that she was even at the golems house in the first place.


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[Assistant] But for some reason or another, Robert, the older brother, he was under the impression that Kelly and John Jay were dating actually. Oh.


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[Assistant] I was like, damn, that's impressive. Like, I don't know about that. I can see it in their eyes. From down the block. Like shit, okay. Yeah. But no one in Kelly's family or any, any part of her friend group had any idea or knowledge that she was dating John Jay.


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[Assistant] Cause I don't, I just don't know why Kelly ended up in the house that day. Yeaah. And it seems like John Jay is the one that called. Cause the caller was John.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Unless Robert called and said he was John, that's entirely possible. That absolutely could have happened. But with John Jay's nervousness, I'm like, so you invited her over and now you know she's missing? Like, what did you see? What didn't you see? That's the thing. It's like, are you nervous because of that? Because you were the one who did the inviting or are you nervous because


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[Assistant] Exactly. Now, as far as the neighbors knew, the galoob, or sorry, the golebs, that's how I was reading it in my head. See, I was going to say that's how you were reading it in your head. That's how it was.


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[Assistant] Uh, the golebs, as far as anybody knew, they kept a nice and neat tidy home.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but they only ever saw the home from the outside. Oh.


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[Assistant] When the police did eventually make their way inside of this house, they found it cluttered with debris that officers and other witnesses would repeatedly describe as


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[Assistant] Clutter, clothes, knick-knack, knick-knacks and trash filling every room of the house. Ew. Like it was essentially like a hoarder house, but like there was like trash and- That stresses me out so much.


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[Assistant] I'm thinking about Kelly in there. And that's like a lot of, it's just like adds to the stress of everything. And it was a far cry from her home. Where she had grown up. Right.


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[Assistant] So Richard and Victoria, they spent most of that Friday evening, like I said, making calls, walking around the neighborhood, looking for Kelly, just panicking more and more as every hour passed. The next morning, the search for Kelly continued. Richard revisited all the places he previously looked for his daughter, including the Galoob's home.


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[Assistant] And wait, the golebs home. It's so hard. No, I totally, I'm, I'm not faulting you at all. That's when you read it in your head. I've done that so many times. It drives you nuts. The golebs house.


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[Assistant] And when Elizabeth Golub invited the family into the foyer of the home, Richard and Victoria were actually shocked by the mess that just stretched from one room to the next. Richard explained again that several people had seen his daughter go into their home the previous afternoon and no one had seen her leave.


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[Assistant] That's a problem, my guy. Yeah. So Elizabeth was like, I'm sorry, like I was running errands. I really did not see Kelly here, but let me go wake up John.


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[Assistant] So he, she wakes up John and he said, nope, I haven't seen her in a few days. So they were completely out of options at this point.


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[Assistant] So Thomas McVetti of the Juvenile Aid Bureau of the Nassau County Police Department.


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[Assistant] He was the first one to see the case come in and he returned Richard and Victoria's call.


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[Assistant] Calling friends, checking the usual hangouts, yada yada yada. He went to Kelly's house on Horton Road.


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[Assistant] And he sat down with Richard and Vicki and went through all the usual questions again, explaining.


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[Assistant] And Victoria was like, no. She literally said, not Kelly. Kelly doesn't do this. Yeah, parents...


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[Assistant] A lot of parents do know their kid. Imagine that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now, Richard and Victoria explained that several neighbors, again, had seen their daughter go into the golebs house around 3.15 the previous day, but nobody in the goleb house says they saw her.


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[Assistant] So, what the fuck. How? How? What the fuck. Yeaah. Now they also explain that as far as they knew, their daughter had no relationship with anybody in that house, and as far as they knew, again, no reason to go in there in the first place. Yeaah, it doesn't make any sense to me. No.


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[Assistant] But as they came up the walkway, they actually were stopped by Elizabeth Golub and John Jay, who were just leaving Sharon Stonnell's house.


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[Assistant] Now inside, like so they eventually made their way inside to their house, the detective sat down with Elizabeth and her younger son and started to explain why they were there. Now John Jay told the detectives that he did know Kelly, but again, didn't see her the previous day.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So McVetti asked if anybody else was in the house that they could speak with at that point.


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[Assistant] And John Jay disappeared for a moment and then came back with his brother Robert, who was accompanied by like a random friend.


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[Assistant] Now Robert told the detectives he knew who Kelly was, but hadn't seen her in quite some time.


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[Assistant] He said he'd been home all day the previous day and that he just played video games with his brother and two of his brother's friends that afternoon. I don't believe you.


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[Assistant] And then he said, after they were finished playing video games, John Jay and his two friends left to play basketball. And Robert stayed back. Now, McVetty, the detective, he was like,


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[Assistant] I don't know, like something about this kid, he seems nervous.


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[Assistant] He would subtly look at his brother almost like he was trying to confirm what he was saying.


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[Assistant] So the detective just came right out and said, why do you keep looking at your brother?


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[Assistant] I love that. Good. Why not just answer the question straight without help? Make them ask. Make them answer it. So they finally separated the two of them. And after doing that, the detectives left the house and went across the street to talk to Sharon Stonnell.


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[Assistant] Now Sharon said, yup, I saw Kelly the previous day, I saw her go into that house.


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[Assistant] Oh, I didn't, I honestly was thinking like, alright, maybe, maybe he hadn't. I was very in the lead a little bit. You were, because I was really thinking he was maybe just nervous because he knew what was going on but hadn't seen her.


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[Assistant] He saw her. I don't know if he saw everything, but he saw her.


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[Assistant] It's hard. I'm gonna ask you what you think at the end. This is just terrible. Yeah, terrific.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so up to that point, McVeady had no reason to believe that anybody was lying to him.


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[Assistant] But this new information suggested that, uh, no one in the Gollop House was being truthful at all.


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[Assistant] So he called for backup, he explained the situation to his supervisor, and he said he wanted to search the Gallup home, and he said, I believe that's where the investigation is.


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[Assistant] But wanting to be thankfully as helpful as she could, Elizabeth actually consented to a search. Wow. Yeah, so. So she really had.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. Absolutely no idea. It's what it sounds like. No, I don't think she did at all. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So she invited the detectives back into the home and she signed the form. Boom. Consent.


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[Assistant] So now they had to call in backup to like conduct this whole search.


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[Assistant] So backup had arrived. McVetti, John Gollib Sr., and a uniformed officer were making their way through the house and they started making their way into the basement.


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[Assistant] And McVeady was absolutely shocked at the amount of garbage and clutter all over the place, especially in the basement.


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[Assistant] He would later tell the jury that the basement was so cluttered it quote unquote hampered their investigation. Wow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And once they were in the basement, McVeady spotted a small door in the basement that was blocked by a large steamer trunk, which prompted him to ask like what the fuck that was about. Now John, like the father,


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[Assistant] Told the officers that the trunk was just for storage and they were like, okay, like, can we move it? And he was like, yeah, sure. So they move it.


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[Assistant] And once they did, McVeady kind of shined his flashlight into the darkness.


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[Assistant] That was zippered and propped really awkwardly against the wall, almost like there was something inside.


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[Assistant] Oh god. They approached the bag and they noticed that it had actually come unzipped near the bottom.


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[Assistant] And partially poking out of it was a pale and bloody human leg. Oh my god. Yes.


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[Assistant] Now, McVeady immediately secured the scene and called in homicide detectives. The news of the search had already made its way around the neighborhood, and a ton of the neighbors on Horton Road had come out to their yards and their driveways to see what was going on, including Richard and Victoria Tineas.


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[Assistant] So, not wanting the news to reach them before he could, McVeady literally made a beeline to this couple so he could tell them himself what had happened.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine, and I, I don't even want to. No, no one should ever imagine that. I just want to give, like, her parents the biggest hug because they look like, they look like New Englanders. They do! I was just looking at pictures of them and I was just like, oh my god, they're breaking my heart. They just look like your friend's parents. Yeah, they really do. You know? Like, who care? A lot.


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[Assistant] And like you would go over their house and like talk to them while you were hanging out with your friend, you know, like. That kills me. You're just like everyday people. Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And something absolutely fucking horrible happened.


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[Assistant] That was too, I think that was like some, something was like, hey, break the tension real quick. Honestly. It's getting deep. Honestly. But here we are, we're back. And we're back. So Detective Lane arrived at the Gallup house around noon that same day and spoke to Elizabeth and John Sr. while they waited for the medical examiner to arrive. Now followed by an interview with John Jr.


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[Assistant] And he told Detective Lane that he got home from school the previous day at the usual time, and he had two friends with him. McDonald. Ooh. Pause, pause for lols. Okay. Literally McDonald.


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[Assistant] Who did that? Why you do? Why'd you do that? And Chris Earl. Fine. Okay, that's fine. So he said they played Nintendo for a while. Sign of the times. What I was just gonna say. And then they hung out with older brother Robert for a bit.


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[Assistant] So the crime scene search unit arrived at the house a little after 1pm and they began what would be an exhausting documentation in search of the basement.


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[Assistant] Detectives had pulled the sleeping bag out from the closet and carefully laid it out on the basement floor.


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[Assistant] And when they moved the sleeping bag, Lane and his partner discovered a pile of lace curtains that were soaked in blood.


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[Assistant] And was shocked by what she discovered upon opening the sleeping bag.


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[Assistant] This is absolutely brutal, just so you know, like, if you do need to skip, please do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, one of the detectives on the case would later say that Kelly's remains were scarcely recognizable as human. Oh my god. Whatever happened to her.


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[Assistant] And the person that did this, like I'm like, you're not even a human. You're an animal. Oh God. An animal. Her face had been beaten and was insanely bruised by the time she was discovered.


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[Assistant] And clumps of her hair had been ripped from her scalp in what appeared to be handfuls.


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[Assistant] And then detectives also discovered in the bag a bra that had been knotted like it had been used as a choking device.


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[Assistant] Now, at a quick glance, her body suffered the same brutality as her face, if not more.