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[Assistant] She rushed her to the nearest hospital and they learned Augusta had suffered a stroke and she would need to be on bed rest for the foreseeable future.


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[Assistant] He was at the hospital and home on the farm just doting on her.


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[Assistant] Wherever she was. Refused to leave her bedside. Spent his days waiting on her and his evenings reading to her from the Bible like he was forever watch next to her. That's sad. It is sad.


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[Assistant] By the fall of 1945, she appeared to be making some pretty significant improvements actually, and had even begun to walk around a little bit. That's good. With Ed's help.


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[Assistant] Um, and so he, it seemed to boost his spirits. He thought she was going to, you know, she was making a comeback. But unfortunately those spirits were crushed in late December when Augusta had a second stroke and this time it was much more severe.


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[Assistant] So Ed got his mother rushed to the hospital, but it was too late. Augusta Gein died December 29th, 1945 at the age of 67 years old. Wow, young. I know. A life full of hatred will do that to you. That'll do it. And Ed boarded up Augusta's bedroom and kept it as a museum enshrined to her.


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[Assistant] Gotta do what you gotta do. A la Norman Bates.


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[Assistant] Now, yeah. Now, in the span of five years, Ed had lost the three people who were his entire world. His entire world, yeah. That's it. That's the farthest reach he had. But when his mom died, it


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[Assistant] But this is, I cannot, like, psychologically none of us can understand what was happening here because the damage that had already been done to that


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[Assistant] That psyche there. Like, there's a vacancy within that psyche. Exactly. Yeah. Wow.


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[Assistant] For as long as he knew, Augusta was the driving force in his life. Like he, what, what do you do? Like you relied on, she made sure you relied on her for every fucking part of your being. Yeah. And when she's gotten, that's the thing she did. I'm like, did you think about Augusta?


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[Assistant] Like, cause what the fuck did you leave the world here? Like, I can tell you, you left Ed fucking Gein. That's what you left. Like, Jesus. But...


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[Assistant] Now without her there on the farm, he was, like you said, a totally different kind of alone, and he had none of the skills necessary to deal with the grief. Right. Because you need to, like,


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[Assistant] Children need to be taught how to process emotions properly because they don't fucking know how.


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[Assistant] You need to hold their hand through it so they can understand how to do it themselves. Right. And he was never taught that. Neither was Henry. Neither one of them were taught that. So now he's dealing with this like overwhelming grief and has no skills whatsoever to deal with it.


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[Assistant] This is, this was such a recipe. It really was the whole thing. It's all bad. But in the years before Henry and Augusta's deaths, the Gein farm had been


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[Assistant] It had become unsightly and kind of in need of some repairs. Like, you know, it was weather beaten. Like, it's just...


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[Assistant] Regular wear and tear, but it was kind of becoming like a little, little over the top. I mean, that's a huge farm to maintain on your own. Yeah, like some of the windows needed to be replaced, like roofs needed patching, like that kind of shit. But he was good at that shit. He was good at that shit, but they all required money.


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[Assistant] The lawn had become overgrown with weeds, the pastures were, you couldn't even tell they were pastures anymore, and he sold off all the animals.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the hulking farm equipment was just left to rust in the yard.


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[Assistant] Like you should have sold that too, bro. Yeah. So it's no longer an operating working farm. And so Ed had to look somewhere else to make money. Um, so we worked briefly for the town clearing brush from the roadside, but eventually fall a, you know, he kind of fell into a routine of like odd jobs and then continued the babysitting. And this is him in like his early forties. Huh.


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[Assistant] He had at least enough experience that when harvest time came, he was able to find work on other farms too. So he was able to do that.


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[Assistant] You know, the rest of the time he was like the handyman doing all that stuff. But...


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[Assistant] Other than that, he could just be found sitting at home among piles and piles of trash and dusty old antique objects and


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[Assistant] And while she, like I said, while Augusta was alive she kept it meticulous.


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[Assistant] It was very clean. Obviously he's going through something with the fact that like he wasn't able to keep it up. Like you would think that she ingrained that so much in him that he would want to do it for her. But I think he just, he couldn't it sounds like. And without the tether to her.


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[Assistant] His real illnesses and his real like sick mind just broke loose. Very much so. Like the term unmoored is really...


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[Assistant] I'm gonna give a quick trigger warning for what I'm gonna talk about next because I am gonna talk about like, cause he got into Nazi stuff.


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[Assistant] So I just want to give that quick little trigger warning that it's going to be brief. I'm not going to go into anything graphic or anything like that, but just the mere mention. I just want you to know that it's, I'm going to be talking about it. Yeah, I know that's, that's hard. Now he's alone in the house, you know.


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[Assistant] And I want you to pay, this is the 40s, he's got no money, this place is just lit by a lantern. Oh my god. You know, like, he's sitting there alone. I'm just looking at pictures of the inside of this while you're talking.


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[Assistant] He entertained himself with crime and pulp magazines that had


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[Assistant] I'm literally looking at a photo where there's a detective magazine laying on top of a pile of garbage.


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[Assistant] The thing is like these, we've talked about these before in some of the cases where like perpetrators became obsessed with these kind of magazines. So I think when your mind is already in a bad place, these are not the greatest places to go.


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[Assistant] But since the war, these pulp and crime magazines had become preoccupied with horror stories about the real life horrors perpetrated by the Nazis during the war.


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[Assistant] And among the stories that fascinated him most were those about


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[Assistant] Ilsa Koch, the so-called bitch of Buchenwald. Oh no. The wife of Nazi commander Karl Otto Koch, who was in charge of the concentration camps at Buchenwald.


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[Assistant] He held no official position within the Third, or she held no official position within the Third Reich, but, uh, she was known, because remember she was called the bitch of Buchenwald. She was known for her enthusiasm for cruelty.


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[Assistant] And it honestly made her one of the most notorious figures in the Nazi party. That's how bad she was.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she was known to have collected the bones and skin of those killed during the Holocaust and she would later have them made into ornaments, decorations, lampshades, among other things. That is beyond thought. Uhm, as one of the most monstrous figures to emerge during


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[Assistant] What is already a fucking dark period. Yeah. Coke's actions were literally the stuff of nightmares. It sounds like. Like literally the stuff, like when you can't.


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[Assistant] Conjure the kind of cruelty and terror that she inflicted.


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[Assistant] You know? Like on your own property. Like get it, learn how to have an herb garden. DIY. Yeah, just like that would have been so nice. Different DIYs. Different DIYs, exactly. It's like just, you know, just


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[Assistant] I think it's just like when you think about it, you're like, how does your mind, and I guess you have to be like broken in so many ways and that's why none of us can understand it.


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[Assistant] Why do you want to go that route? You know, like why, that can't make you feel good, but I guess it does make some people, like twisted people, think they're feeling good, you know?


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[Assistant] The human mind is so scary. Like instead of doing something productive or that makes you feel like you're doing something or creating something.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and again, to Ed, whose grasp on reality had always been somewhat tenuous, uh, the stories about Coke and the other evil figures from the SS were fascinating. Particularly those that sexualized figures like Coke, because that was a thing.


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[Assistant] And, um, Irma Grease, who was another female figure in the Nazi party, oh yeaah, they were like, their horrible behaviors would become fetishized and sexualized. Oh, that's heinous. To him, they were interesting because to him, they seemed fictitious. They didn't seem like real people.


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[Assistant] Uhm, kinda like his like pirate stories that he would read, cause remember he was very much into fantasy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and his favorites that he liked to read about in fantasy, like fiction, was those involving fictional headhunting tribes and other, you know, brutal cultures that were, again, fictitious, that would keep trophies from their victims like shrunken heads or drums made with human skin and bones.


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[Assistant] So these are like fantasy stories. But they're fucked up. Someone who is like


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[Assistant] The fetishizing of these horrible women in the Nazi party. And then he's also reading these detective magazines. So it's like, he's getting a one-handed, these awful stories about these fucking monstrous women that are being sexualized for doing monstrous deeds. And then on the other hand, he's reading these detective magazines where women are usually like the like,


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[Assistant] Sex, you know, like femme fatale. Not even that, like they're usually just like the sex object. That's like the bad guys tied up the sex object and like, you know, you get the pictures.


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[Assistant] It goes without saying that the profoundly rigid and very archaic worldview that Augusta Gein put


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[Assistant] Inside of her son. The ugliest of which was reserved for women and sexuality. Like really hammered those two things and had a very deep twisted influence on Ed.


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[Assistant] And in the absence of literally any other meaningful social connections or even casually contradicting opinions, to hers, he only heard her opinion and view on everything. That was it.


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[Assistant] Her views became his views. Even if he mostly kept them to himself, those were what he knew. That's all he knew.


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[Assistant] So sitting there alone in this dark, empty, like completely cluttered and dirty farmhouse with only gruesome stories and his even more gruesome imagination to keep him company, that shit started to warp big time.


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[Assistant] This is just a recipe for disaster.


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[Assistant] So it was blending Augusta's hateful rhetoric with violent, often like really fucked up sexual fantasies born out of that pulp fiction that he was consuming.


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[Assistant] And it was only a matter of time before he was gonna snap and he was gonna bring these fantasies into his reality. Right.


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[Assistant] It's hard to pinpoint exactly where the lines between reality and delusions started to blur with Ed because it was all kind of fucked up. Yeah. But by most accounts, that triggering event was the death of his mother in 1945. That's where a lot of people point to.


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[Assistant] Uh, not long after she was buried in fact, Ed began to feel as though he were living in a complete haze. And sometimes he would move around just thinking he saw her, thinking he heard her.


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[Assistant] He would smell things that he suspected weren't there, like he was losing it. Losing a grip on reality. Because again, he's so fucking isolated. So isolated. And sometimes he would just have these like feelings, he said, that people were watching him. And other times he said he could hear his mother's voice, or he would catch her scent in the house. Oh my. But there were other voices, he said too.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's really sad. And so he said he learned to cope with this by laying still and picturing his mother's face. That was the only way he knew how to cope.


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[Assistant] Oh man. But after a while, even that wasn't enough to control his urges. And Ed had been religiously visiting his mother's grave, obviously, like daily.


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[Assistant] And a little more than a year after Augusta's death, he began toying with the idea of having her back.


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[Assistant] So, that's happening, which we're gonna get a little more into his uh, grave robbing adventures, don't worry. But first, let's talk about the disappearance of Mary Hogan. Okay.


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[Assistant] So following Augusta's death, Ed probably would have liked to have just shut himself in the darkness of the farmhouse pretending his mother was still alive and just reading his horrible stuff he was reading, but he needed income.


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[Assistant] So he had to go into town to work a little and buy supplies, essentially. You know, babysit. And he was weird.


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[Assistant] He had strange habits, he had like peculiar ways, but a lot of the residents of Plainfield were like, we just felt bad for him. Yeaah. Like he wasn't mean, he wasn't like a dick. He wasn't bothering people. He wasn't bothering people, we just felt bad.


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[Assistant] So if they had the time, they would kind of indulge him as he talked about like that shit he was reading in like crime magazines and stuff. They'd just be like, yeah, totally. And it never really occurred to anyone that Ed seemed to have an inordinate fascination with stories about lust killings and other


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[Assistant] Only later they were like, that was a little weird.


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[Assistant] It's a little concerning that that man lives all alone and talks about nothing except for lust killing. That's strange. A little weird. They kind of viewed his


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[Assistant] Fascination with this stuff as they viewed his awkwardness with women.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and since no one paid him a lot of attention when he was around or they just didn't care.


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[Assistant] Really few, if any, people noticed when Ed stopped coming into town very often. He stopped those. Uhm, he retreated very deeply, even more deeply into that farmhouse, isolating, increasingly indulging that dark imagination he had.


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[Assistant] Again, the one place he would only go was, like, what ended up being Mary's Tavern. It was in town. When he would go into town, he would just stop at this place. It was really the only place he would go. Outside of, like, you know, a little store to buy supplies.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this was kind of a CD bar located in Pine Grove.


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[Assistant] And given his father's alcoholism, he wasn't a drinker. Okay. Uhm, but his interest in the bar wasn't really that, it was really who was serving the stuff at the bar.


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[Assistant] Did he know what to do with that? Yeah. Or did he accept it? Or was he...


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[Assistant] How was he fascinated by her? Like, did he think she was pretty? Did he want to strike up a conversation? Like, if he had known how would he have wanted to strike up a conversation? But then what he does, you end up being like, well, fuck.


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[Assistant] You're a monster. That's the thing, like these different like mo- again, like, he didn't have a chance, but he's a fucking monster. Of course. Like, of course. I don't know why I said it like that. I'm just really shook right now. As you should be.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, he was fascinated with Mary Hogan, uh, throughout his early life, he had ex- you know,


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[Assistant] He had expressed, like I said, at least a passing attraction to women in the general sense. Until his mom was like, you should die for that. But Mary Hogan was the first woman that Ed seemed to be very taken with.


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[Assistant] Born in 1901 in Duesenberg, Germany. Mary came to Germany. Like his mother.


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[Assistant] Mary came to Plainfield's area from Chicago in 1949 where she had at least one husband and a very murky past. A few facts are really known about her life and there are plenty of


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[Assistant] Oh man. Mary sounds hilarious. She kinda does. Now on the afternoon of December 8th, 1954, Plainfield resident Seymour Lester headed down to Mary's Tavern to get some ice cream for his daughter. He came upon a terrible scene. Oh no.


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[Assistant] He entered the tavern and he quote, found the tavern empty and blood stains leading from the bar room through the door to a spot where a car or truck had been parked.


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[Assistant] Not knowing what happened, only that there was clearly violence. He reported the discovery. Uhm, and the man who came was Vilas Waterman.


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[Assistant] And it looked like someone had been shot inside the bar. Oh wow. Uhm, there was a large amount of blood on the floor and they discovered a 32 caliber cartridge on the ground. Oof.


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[Assistant] The area behind the bar had been rifled through, like the cash box, uhm, where the neighbors believe she kept all the money was like pulled out.


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[Assistant] Uh, and they believe she kept large amounts of cash there. Uh, but the only money they found was some crumpled up one dollar bills and a roll of nickels. Uh oh.


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[Assistant] Aside from the large amount of blood and really small amount of evidence, there was really nothing else to show what happened to her.


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[Assistant] And during their canvas of the houses around the tavern, deputies learned that the neighbors had seen, quote, a dark green 1950 or 51 Dodge pickup truck with wooden racks.


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[Assistant] Parked outside the Tavern on several occasions in the weeks leading up to her disappearance.


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[Assistant] In fact, one neighbor claimed to have seen that truck driving nearby that same evening that she went missing. In quote, there was something covered with a tarp in the rear.


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[Assistant] Oh, but they were unable to get a look at what it was. According to neighbors, the truck was memorable because it was missing a license plate.


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[Assistant] And notified surrounding counties that Mary Hogan was nowhere to be found.


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[Assistant] But they weren't really hopeful that she was going to be found alive at this point because according to crime scene technicians who had processed the scene,


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[Assistant] Quote, the amount of blood loss by the shooting victim assumed to be Ms. Hogan precludes the possibility of her being alive. Wow.


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[Assistant] Now investigators theorized Hogan had been at the bar drinking a cup of coffee when the intruder arrived and based on the state of the register and cash box, they figured it was likely the motive was robbery.


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[Assistant] At the time her disappearance was just one of many mysteries that was baffling local and regional investigators.


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[Assistant] Other than a few reports of like a black sedan near her house at one point, they never found her. Wow. She just disappeared. Oh, that's awful. And then that happened again. A few years later in October 1953, a 15 year old Evelyn Hartley disappeared while babysitting her family friend in La Crosse.


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[Assistant] Outside, he found footsteps and a trail of blood leading away from the house.


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[Assistant] And there were others. There were men, women, children, all who disappeared under mysterious, like, abductions.


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[Assistant] But they were never followed up, like there was no ransom, no attempt to contact the families, their bodies were never found, just disappeared. And this wasn't Ed? And this wasn't Ed. Huh. Not that they could, you know. Not that they could prove.


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[Assistant] And in the months and years that followed Mary's disappearance it seemed that it was just


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[Assistant] Another one in line of those disappearances. Oh, get the fuck out of there. And a year later on the anniversary of her disappearance, one local paper published a follow up article saying, quote,


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[Assistant] Authorities investigated all possible leads, but nothing more appears known today than when the situation was first discovered on December 8th, 1954. Unlike the others, though.


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[Assistant] Investigators would eventually learn what happened to Mary Hogan. Yeah. And it was gonna be a lot worse than any of them could have ever imagined. Yeah. And I'm gonna leave you there.


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[Assistant] I had a feeling, that's a lot to process for everyone involved. There's a lot. There's a lot coming in part two. That's really sad that she was just operating a tavern, like doing her best. Yeah, she's just doing, she's running a business, keeping everyone happy. And this man's comes in. And this man becomes fixated on her because he's a creep. Oh wow. All right. Yeah. Well, we're going to go do something that's


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[Assistant] Instead of morbid, because I went to like a, I think it's called a white elephant.


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[Assistant] It's not like a secret sand, it's like a white elephant.


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[Assistant] And I got this sexy mermaid, uh, ornament, which I have pictured here.


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[Assistant] That's probably part of it and then actually I answered my own question. On our honeymoon, we were really interested by the boats that were coming and going to the point that Drew literally downloaded a boat tracker onto his phone and I'd be like, what's that one? What's that one?


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[Assistant] Take your wife out for oysters, and then your raggedy ass goes home to your mistress.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the argument that she was saying that she was pregnant because she wanted to keep him as stupid because she literally had written a letter where she was like, I don't want to do this again.


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[Assistant] I don't know about that. Why do you have arsenic in your possession and she's got it in her stomach? Rats!


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[Assistant] I coulda done it. You coulda done it. But like, I don't have arsenic in my possession or a bloody knife. Fuckin'. What?


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[Assistant] His wife was beautiful, so, not even like-


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[Assistant] I'm like, let me see, I'll be the fucking judge of that. I am just... How gorgeous was she, the fuck?


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[Assistant] I'll be the judge, the jury, let me see. The executioner. Probably.


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[Assistant] Yeah, get the little, uh, little snacking ones for the gals. And there's an Asiago one that's just...


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[Assistant] You love a Dallas kind of story. You know? Yes.


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[Assistant] I mean, I can't imagine because my kids are so young that I'm like, I can't fathom being apart from them for any length of time. Well, you gotta let them spread their wings.


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[Assistant] So maybe it was just like, yeaah, it was just an abundance of love and protective nature.


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[Assistant] Like, that's, and that's the other thing. This is a very different time.


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[Assistant] That's, this is why this is one of those things that it's like, you're not seeing these like,


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[Assistant] Put all these crazy unnecessary expectations on this child and I've like driven her to


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[Assistant] It just seems like it's like, you can kind of understand both sides of this coin here, which makes it so sad. It's a lot.


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[Assistant] You seem like you just all love each other and want to make each other happy and it's difficult for that to happen.


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[Assistant] So that's the thing, if it was just coffee every morning, and that was their thing, and they decided that was their thing, and that was it, and otherwise they had very like,


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[Assistant] Is really just a recipe for them doing it immediately.


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[Assistant] This is not okay. Nothing, I've been trying. I've been trying to be like, you know, parents love their kids, it's hard, you know, shit, wow, okay, you just love being near her. Coffee's nice every morning, but no. We crossed over. I gave a big, wide,


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[Assistant] As twisted as that love got at the end with like that lying about a heart attack and all that, like that's fucked up.


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[Assistant] But like, but you know even that was done out of I think desperation and like because of a love that is a little different than we can comprehend. Yeah. But yeah, it's like that's, this just feels like


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[Assistant] I don't know. They needed family therapy. They did, but this was like the 15th. They would have benefited from it. Yeah, it wasn't going to happen then. It was not going to happen.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, it doesn't seem like, you know, he's like a bad guy, so. No.


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[Assistant] I don't know anything about this case, so I'm just spew spew. I don't know that he is a biologist. Maybe I'll regret saying that, but right now I get why Ash was like.


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[Assistant] You hurt Joan and Boot. Ash isn't letting this go.


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[Assistant] In this time period, in this place, and during like, in high society, all three of those things lying on her, I didn't take that into account when I first was like, just get divorced, what the fuck, I totally forgot that she's been divorced two other times, and that, in that place and in that time,


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[Assistant] You can get so many little bits and pieces of like, quote unquote, proof. Right. But when you get that one...


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[Assistant] That just hit and really shows you that it's happening. It's a different feeling. It's a different hit. It's a different hit. Cause you can know it without knowing it. And then when you know it, it's like,


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[Assistant] The same, that asshole. You remember, everybody remembers.


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[Assistant] There were little bits and pieces I would find that I was like, very clearly he's cheating on me, like very clearly. But when I got the one, when I was able to call that number and got that voice on the other end.


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[Assistant] Who was not a, not a man. Yeaah. That he was under a man's name. I think it was, it was Jim. Yeaah. This person was labeled Jim in his phone and I just thought Jim spoke a little strange through text message to him. Yeaah. And so when I called that number. It was not Jim.


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[Assistant] Allegedly. Allegedly. So there's nothing to confirm nor deny that those men were hired by Ash. Not at this point.


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[Assistant] Somebody saying that they think that might be what happened. It's Texas High Society rumor.


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[Assistant] That also breaks my heart because like when you're, like you're married. Mhm. And like.


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[Assistant] You're that sick. You're supposed to be married to someone who will take care of you. You're married to a fucking-


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[Assistant] And like, what do you do? I'm like, my gosh.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Like she was, she was- He should have seen that.


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[Assistant] No, yeaah. I would be like, you better find out what happened to my wife. Like that would, wouldn't that be your friend? You'd be like, what the hell happened? You would think. He thought it was the flu. I'm sorry. That's not, that's not, you think that's the flu?


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[Assistant] Questioning this, I would also question this. Yeah. You're not just gonna take this as like, okay, well, I guess that's how she died, moving on. Yeah, anyways. No.


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[Assistant] Well Ann, it's like, there, it is Texas law here that she was supposed to have an autopsy. And you broke that. And it's like, and you went out of your way to make sure she didn't. Strange. That's weird, that would be weird to me, cause I'd be like, no, my first thing as her like, parent,


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[Assistant] Uhm, because he's paying them. Because he's a breached doctor.


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[Assistant] I care about Joan and Boot, so I'm just gonna leave this house and be like, well, they're pretty scary, so bye.


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[Assistant] We'll see if he can just look at the information, you know, from an unbiased lens as a doctor. Maybe it was pointed.


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[Assistant] Oh, poor Joan. This is the like, Joan just breaks my heart. Like, cause it's like, fuck.


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[Assistant] Turn into such chaos afterwards when she was already going through chaos in her life and like poor boot.


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[Assistant] It's morbid. I always have to repeat it. I don't know why. It's a weird routine that I do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm usually, I'm pretty self-aware of my annoying traits.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Dave and I are very, have found each other realizing that we're very alike. You are. Yeah. There's moments where we're just like, huh.


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[Assistant] So then you wonder- I mean I don't know if I'm being like super-


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[Assistant] Cause we were saying how we, like they believed initially that she was brought there and probably dumped because of the lack of blood. And then they found that barn.


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[Assistant] But the cause of death was the shot to the head. Yes. So I'm wondering if all that happened somewhere else. She was dumped there and they did one more shot to the stomach to try to confuse the whole thing. Maybe.


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's just like an overkill kind of thing to confuse things. Or just like an angry overkill. Yeah, like one more.


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[Assistant] What? Like, you have literal entrance wounds.


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[Assistant] Your mess smells everything. Of course. What are you doing? Have you ever, honey, coroner, dear coroner from 1950, whatever, 1960, whatever.


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[Assistant] I did, so I did see that you were, cause this is called a coroner at this point. Yup. They do now in Jackson County have, they have a medical examiner. Oh, okay. And she's a woman, she looks like badass, I don't know, I'm just saying. Hell yea. She's the chief medical examiner. Let's go girl. But she's a medical examiner, she is a doctor, she is a forensic pathologist, like she is there.


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[Assistant] It says in the state of Missouri, uh, larger urban counties operate under medical examiner jurisdiction, while smaller counties by statute operate under coroner jurisdiction.


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[Assistant] It says coroners from several rural Missouri counties.


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[Assistant] Uh, contract with the Jackson County Medical Examiner's Office for Autopsy Services when needed. But I'm assuming back in 1960


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I think that's probably what happened here is that was an elected official who had


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[Assistant] I knew it. I knew this little two-year-old did not kill a man. No, he didn't. Come on. She's even worse. She blamed her two-year-old daughter for the murder of her own father. She sucks.


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[Assistant] Sitting on this stand saying like she was always joking.


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[Assistant] No. Jokes are what, no, like jokes are jokes. Yep. I love a good joke. Oh yeah. I love comedy. I am for comedy. Same. But when you joke about killing your husband and offering someone money to do so and then your husband gets murdered, it's pretty weird.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, it further cements the idea that you would blame a death on your two-year-old daughter. You suck. And also kill the woman who is married to the man you're having an affair with, who you don't even love. Sharon is not a girl's girl. You are not a fucking girl's girl, Sharon. She's not.


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[Assistant] You're honestly not even a guy's girl. I don't know what you are, but you're, she kind of is a guy's girl.


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[Assistant] Some people just have this way. I don't get it. It's amazing.


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[Assistant] Just fuckin' barreled through life, causing fucking havoc. Havoc. Havoc. And loss. Here, there, and everywhere.


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[Assistant] Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alaina. And this is Morbid.


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[Assistant] It's almost Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. This is Halloween. Everybody make a scene. Pumpkins and stuff. Pumpkins and stuff.


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[Assistant] She's got to see what we dressed up as. Yes. Ahead of time. She was, if anybody was confused, Elena was Addison from Zombies.


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[Assistant] I was just Miss Piggy and Drew was Kermie. You guys slayed it. Thank you. I, I'm so upset because I ordered a prosthetic nose, I was telling Alaina, cause I wanted to go like full-fledged and I wanted to like glue down my eyebrows. Oh man. And like put the makeup like higher. Oh jeez. And I didn't have time to do my hair.


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[Assistant] It was hard because I hosted. It looked great. Thank you. I hosted so I made all the food. Yeah, when you're hosting it's hard to go all out with the costume. And my prosthetic never came.


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[Assistant] I know that sucks. I know, it's gonna get delivered and I'm gonna be like, okay, I don't need this anymore. It's gonna get delivered.


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[Assistant] That's true. Cause they'll be like younger. That's very true. So it'll be, it'll be fine. We'll have every stage of life at some point. I love that. Yeah. I love that. That was deep. We'll have every stage of life at some point. I just meant like, in kids. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I feel like it was written, like, to me. It was. Not because I'm the it girl, just because, like, it's so fucking good.


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[Assistant] Elena loves me a lot. I do. It's only, uh, infrequently that she bullies me.


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[Assistant] I told Alina today no ghost at the wedding and you would have thought that I shot the woman. I bullied her. Yeah. I didn't actually. No, you didn't bully me.


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[Assistant] Recap of the best Vanderpump rules moments of Watch What Happens Live.


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[Assistant] And James Kennedy was on there and it was when he got to perform for Steve Aoki and that really just sent me. I love that. And when you said space level. Space level. It made me, made me think of it. Made you think of it.


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[Assistant] So, it's the, um, it's Nan Patterson and the death of Caesar Young. And I say death because to this day...


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[Assistant] So she was, uh, born in 1882 and she was one of three children born to John Patterson.


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[Assistant] Who is a well-known real estate developer in and around Washington DC.


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[Assistant] But he resigned at the beginning of Grover Cleveland's first term as president, and he said, as a lifelong Republican, he quote, refused to hold office under a Democrat.


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[Assistant] So Nan's early life was pretty unremarkable, but things changed dramatically for her in 1898 when at just 16 years old she started dating a man named Leon Gaines Martin.


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[Assistant] No, they met in Baltimore and after just one year together, they actually ended up getting married. Nan was 17.


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[Assistant] And Leon ended up taking a job with the San Francisco Railroad, which meant they now had to move from New York across the country to California.


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[Assistant] So as a young, now married woman in her later teens, Nan, she was still interested in doing the things that most people her age were interested in. She liked fashion, she liked theater, she liked just like girly shit.


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[Assistant] So being in California with the fashion and the theater was like being at the center of the cultural universe and she was fucking stoked over it.


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[Assistant] But, Leon on the other hand, married life wasn't really what he had expected.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the first few months in San Francisco, they were happy, but it didn't take long for their relationship to start crumbling. And Leon, he had high expectations. He wanted Nan, his new wife, to be dutiful, obedient, like old timey things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, obedience. Yeah. Fantastic. Absolutely. Can you imagine having that be like a list of desirable qualities in your partner? No. Obedient. I cannot. Yikes. But what he got and said, he later told reporters, was a girl who quote, was of a lively and emotional nature. It's like,


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[Assistant] Exactly. But to deal with his woes, he started drinking heavily and gambling more often.


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[Assistant] And that just only led to the relationship crumbling even faster than it would have.


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[Assistant] And actually just one year after they got married and moved to the opposite side of the country, they got separated. Aww.


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[Assistant] Yeah, now, years later they did end up divorcing and Nan cited desertion and failure to provide as the reason for the divorce, which like, knife. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That hurts. Now Leon challenged her assertion, telling the judge his wife, quote,


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[Assistant] Had the stage fever and became inordinately fond of dress that he could not afford to give her the luxury she wanted.


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[Assistant] What a douche. So now that she- moving on. Now that she wasn't able to rely on her husband for financial support, in 1901 she auditioned for the Floradora Girls.


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[Assistant] They were a traveling troupe of chorus girls born out of the late 19th century stage play, Florida.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I always feel like I'm saying it wrong but I did Google it and it's Floridora.


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[Assistant] It sounds cute. It is. And as, well it's cute but it's also problematic because as a rule all Floridora girls had to be exactly 5'4 and they had to weigh 130 pounds.


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[Assistant] Wow, that slims down the applicant pool. It sure does. And they also had to be a quote


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[Assistant] They had to, quote, personify the ultimate, the ultimate and feminine beauty.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, totally. Now, as a member of the Floridora Girls Sextet,


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[Assistant] Nan toured the country as Nan Rudolph, that was her stage name. And they got to travel, they performed everywhere from California to Georgia to New York.


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[Assistant] And she did that from the summer of 1901 until the spring of 1902.


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[Assistant] And when she went back in California around April or May of 1902, she started living with her sister Julia in San Francisco.


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[Assistant] And it is around that time that she met a young man named Caesar Young.


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[Assistant] Now Caesar had been born in Surrey, England in 1867.


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[Assistant] And he'd come to the United States in 1890 as a poor amateur athlete.


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[Assistant] And in the ten or so years before he met Nan, he actually had amassed a fortune buying and selling race horses.


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[Assistant] And also earned himself a reputation as a gambler bookmaker.


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[Assistant] Just a man about this town. Just about town. I'm about this town. I like that. Now as a horse trader, Caesar traveled around the country buying and selling horses and he was on his way to California in the fall of 1902 when he met Nan on the train.


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[Assistant] Now, a New York prosecutor would tell a jury in 1904, dun dun dun.


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[Assistant] That quote, Young was a man who exercised a singularly great influence on women and he was, himself, easily susceptible to women.


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[Assistant] Consummating their friendship. Consummating their acquaintanceship. Their meeting. Their meeting. Literally. Their introduction. So these motherfuckers like locked eyes on the train. He was like, you're hot. She was like, you're hot. So they got off in Chicago instead of going all the way to California. Wow. And they had a little afternoon tryst in a hotel.


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[Assistant] Damn, folks. Got a hotel, fucked, got back on the train in Chicago, and then went back to California.


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[Assistant] So when Caesar and Nan got back on the train in Chicago, they registered as Mr. and Mrs. Francis Thomas Young. Uh, but there was a little bit of a problem. Caesar was already married to a woman in New York.


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[Assistant] This depends on how you look at things. Nan was not officially divorced yet. She was separated but not divorced. Alright. So I don't, personally at least, I don't see an issue on her end. But it's like, guys, he has a lady. But I see an issue on Caesar's end. Cause at that point I don't know if he had been honest with Nan about the wife. Eventually he is and I didn't love that.


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[Assistant] After Caesar's death many papers noted that quote, it would have been useless for him to deny that he was infatuated with the woman.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in fact he was so infatuated with Nan that even the idea of her being married to another man, regardless of the specifics of that marriage, proved intolerable. In less than a year into their relationship,


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[Assistant] Caesar ended up paying for Nan's divorce from Leon.


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[Assistant] And uh, on April 30th, 1903, she became a single woman again. Wow. But it's like- He just expedited that shit. You can't deal with the fact that she's married to someone, but you're married to someone. What if she doesn't like that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's not good. You get to have your cake and eat it too, sir? Absolutely. So with Caesar's work allowing him to travel often, and his investments in California needing him to spend quite a bit of time in and around San Francisco,


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[Assistant] And man living there, they had plenty of opportunities to see each other.


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[Assistant] And despite Caesar being more than a decade older than Nan,


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[Assistant] They carried on like lovers in their early twenties. They would spend evenings at restaurants in Sacramento, cafes in Los Angeles. They were just living the high life. Living, laughing, and loving. All the way.


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[Assistant] Okay, so you're starting your day off with three glasses of brandy and then you go to the track and have 30


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[Assistant] So meanwhile, Caesar's wife Margaret ended up finding out about the affair.


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[Assistant] And she had been doing her best to ignore her husband's unfidelity.


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[Assistant] But Margaret caught wind of their plans and she sent


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[Assistant] Caesar's business partner, John Millen, to LA to track down her husband and his mistress as she made her own way to LA.


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[Assistant] You go ahead and track them down and I'll be on my way soon.


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[Assistant] So John Millen makes his way, and eventually Millen finds Caesar and Nan staying at a Turkish, Turkish bathhouse in LA.


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[Assistant] And he calls Margaret and tells her where they are.


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[Assistant] So, she did not give a shit about the onlookers, and once she found Caesar, she directly and loudly confronted him, demanding he end the affair with Nan right then and there.


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[Assistant] So, nah, Caesar, he agreed reluctantly, and he instructed John Millen to take Nan to the station, give her $800 in cash, and put her on a train to New York. Wow. So long, sister. Just discarded by trash.


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[Assistant] Caesar and Dan started seeing each other again. Of course. With the same disregard for secrecy they'd shown the first time around. Now completely outraged at this point.


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[Assistant] Margaret Young again demanded her husband end this relationship, and again he agreed.


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[Assistant] But at the very least, at this point, he was committed enough to the idea of ending the relationship.


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[Assistant] That he agreed to spend the summer traveling around Europe with Margaret.


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[Assistant] That's just interesting. So they were probably like building the Titanic at that point. That's wild. Ooh, nice ship. Well, they don't end up on the, going on it. They don't.


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[Assistant] Flash forward. No. The future. Well, and they don't end up going on this ocean. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] So yes, they were scheduled to depart on a white star ocean liner the morning of June 4th, 1904.


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[Assistant] But of course, Caesar felt that he had to see Nan one last time before he left for the summer. You know, continue to have his cake and eat it too. Oh boy. So on the evening before, the evening of June 3rd, he did agree, or Nan did agree.


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[Assistant] To meet Caesar at, uh, this place called Flannery. It's a restaurant in lower Manhattan. And they had dinner and champagne.


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[Assistant] But agreed to sit at an adjacent table. So is he there as like a chaperone? I believe so. I don't- This is a strange scenario. It is a strange scenario. It's unclear to me if Margaret sent her brother.


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[Assistant] So, see, he sat at the adjacent table and accompanied them on their date. And according to the owner of Flannery, Caesar and Nan seemed to be discussing their relationship. At first calmly, but after a few drinks, the conversation ended up getting heated.


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[Assistant] And Caesar insisted he was leaving and the relationship must come to an end. He told Nan, I have loved you and I do love you now, but I will travel until I forget you. I will stay abroad a year if necessary.


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[Assistant] I do love Luke, but. I do. Justice for Max. But I loved Max. Same.


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[Assistant] But before parting ways that evening, Caesar did agree to meet with Nan one last time the next morning before leaving for the pier. So he is literally getting on a fucking, like, I don't know, it's probably a yacht with his


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[Assistant] With his wife. And is like, this is the last time I'm gonna see you, Nan. I'm just gonna meet my mistress one more time. I'm actually just kidding, I'm gonna see you the morning before I leave. Like...


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[Assistant] Oh no. So the next morning, Caesar left the apartment that he shared with Margaret a little before 7 a.m. and told Margaret he was quote, going to attend to some urgent business and that he'd meet her at the pier a little after 9 a.m.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because before, like when I was saying like, like hot girl shit, I don't think Nan knew that they were together.


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[Assistant] So, he, and he's telling her, I have to attend to some business. Yea, and that's fucked up. He's still lying to you? Yea. Now, as we know, obviously, the business was, uh, meeting Nan. So they met a little before 8am, and they were headed in the direction of the pier.


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[Assistant] So they're literally heading toward the pier where he's supposed to meet his wife to leave. And they're in a handsome cab, which is a, it's like a type of horse and carriage where the passengers sit in the carriage right behind the horse and the driver is seated on a spring seat behind the cab.


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[Assistant] Okay. And that will be important later, that's why I went into detail. Okay. We'll try to post a picture if we can.


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[Assistant] So now just as the cab approached the corner of Franklin Street and West Broadway, the driver heard a loud bang come from inside the cab.


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[Assistant] And once he managed to get his horse under control, he pulled the cab to the side of the street and flagged down a nearby patrol officer who rushed over to see what the hell was going on.


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[Assistant] The officer saw that there was a large hole in his chest. Just slightly lower than his left shoulder.


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[Assistant] No. Upon a quick search of the body, the officer did locate the pistol, which had fallen into Caesar's jacket pocket, with one chamber empty.


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[Assistant] Now, as all of this was going on, Nan just appeared to be stunned and was clasping her hands, repeating, Caesar, Caesar, why did you do this?


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[Assistant] Now, without hesitating, the officer told the cab driver, Frederick Michaels, to drive as fast as possible to the nearby Hudson Street Hospital.


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[Assistant] Where Caesar unfortunately was pronounced dead before they were ever able to get him to the operating table.


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[Assistant] And when Nan heard that Caesar hadn't made it, she became hysterical.


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[Assistant] And quote, the services of a physician who was to have attended to young were enlisted in her aid instead. And that's from the New York Times in 1904.


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[Assistant] It's always cool in cases like this when like a New York Times article was written, but it's in 1904.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's just interesting, like, the fact that the New York Times has been operating for as long as it has.


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[Assistant] Now, once she was able to compose herself, Nan ended up being taken to the Leonard Street Police Station, where she sat for an interview with Captain Sweeney.


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[Assistant] According to Nan, she and Caesar had met early that morning so that she could see him one last time before he left for England. And on the way to the dock, she said, Caesar had the cab driver stop at two different saloons where he had at least one drink of whiskey before getting back in the cab. So he had two, er, yea, two drinks of whiskey.


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[Assistant] So yeah, he does drink heavily. And the thing is she said at least one drink. Okay. So it's a little unclear how much he did drink. Okay. I don't know if she just like...


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[Assistant] Now as they got to the docks, close to the docks, excuse me, they started arguing about their relationship and his leaving when, according to Nan,


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[Assistant] Caesar, in a moment of impulsivity, pulled a gun from his jacket pocket.


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[Assistant] He told her he wanted one last embrace, quote unquote, pulled her into his chest, wrapped his right arm around her neck, and then suddenly discharged the gun under her shoulder, into the left side of his chest.


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[Assistant] So like, wrapped his right arm around her and it would make sense that-


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[Assistant] If that was the case, he would have shot into his left shoulder.


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[Assistant] So when the gun went off, she said Caesar dropped the pistol and it fell into his jacket pocket as he slumped forward into her lap.


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[Assistant] And she told the investigator quote, now that he's dead, I love him so dearly that I feel I have nothing to live for and no desire to live.


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[Assistant] Which is really sad. That is sad. Now, as she was being interviewed by Captain Sweeney, a very distraught John Millen, if you remember from the beginning, Caesar's business partner, entered the Leonard Street station.


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[Assistant] And he was quote unquote flustered with excitement and rage and demanded to see Nan.


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[Assistant] Jumped out of his chair and rushed toward her, making a move to strike her.


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[Assistant] So the scene repeated itself outside of the station, with Millen again trying to assault Nan, who cowered behind the accompanying officer, begging her to quote-unquote save her from Millen's fury.


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[Assistant] She's fucking terrifying. Yeah, it looks like he's gonna like try to kill her. Quite literally. If he had a gun, he probably would have.


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[Assistant] Now at the coroner's office, even more information came to light that didn't do much to help Nan's case. If Caesar's death was a suicide like Nan intended, or like Nan had indicated, excuse me.


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[Assistant] Then that would have been easily proven by only one set of fingerprints on the weapon. But according to Nan, her fingerprints would be on the gun as well. She said quote,


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[Assistant] Because I took the pistol out of his pocket and put it back again. Why?


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[Assistant] But, it's strange, but there was a detail that helped her here. Okay. There didn't appear to be any gunpowder residue on her hands. I was gonna ask that. Indicating that while she may have held the gun,


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[Assistant] The coroner told the New York Times, quote, Mr. Millen has made many grave charges against this woman.


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[Assistant] Millen told me that a member of the Benher company killed himself on her account while she was with the Floridora company.


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[Assistant] Millen's claims of Nan suspiciously driving other men to suicide were entirely unsubstantiated.


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[Assistant] But still, his comments started a classist misogynistic rumor mill that would not only persist through the investigation and trials, but also influence their outcome in a big way.


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[Assistant] Now the biggest problem investigators faced was that while multiple people had theories about what happened between Nan and Caesar, no one actually saw anything yet. Like they haven't talked to anybody yet who actually saw what happened in the cab.


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[Assistant] The cab driver told police he never heard any argument and was only aware of the problem when he heard the gun go off. Up until that point he was like, I was just driving the fucking cab. Yea, he was just paying attention to what was in front of him. Yea, I didn't hear anything.


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[Assistant] But police had other information that made them doubt Nan's claim of suicide.


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[Assistant] Captain Sweeney told the press quote, it looks to me like murder.


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[Assistant] Our information includes several letters of a threatening nature which were sent to Young, supposedly at the insistence of this woman.


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[Assistant] Caesar was getting all these like threatening letters before, maybe not from Nan, but she urged somebody to write him these letters.


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[Assistant] But please know that this will remain messy all the way through. Okay.


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[Assistant] It's so bad. So anyways, Captain Sweeney wouldn't say what information was in the letters at that point, but reporters quickly learned that they had been sent from the address of Mrs. J. Morgan Smith.


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[Assistant] But according to Captain Sweeney, there were about three letters written to Caesar, all vaguely threatening in nature, and Nan claimed to know nothing about them. Okay. She was like, I didn't tell anybody to write shit. She could be lying, she could be telling the truth. I don't know.


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[Assistant] So after the autopsy was completed, the coroner released his finding that the death, uh, excuse me, the cause of death was a hemorrhage of the lung.


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[Assistant] Now given all the unanswered questions, Nan was taken into custody and held in a su- in a cell, excuse me, at the Tomb City Prison. Imagine having to go to the tombs.


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[Assistant] And in this case especially, it's basically all he said, she said. There's not a lot of forensic evidence in this case. Of course not. And a lot of the like, well I heard this from so and so is completely unsubstantial.


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[Assistant] I used to be like fine, like I didn't like mind you doing the old cases, but like they honestly, to be frank, they weren't my favorite. But now I prefer them.


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[Assistant] But, very aware and nervous about public interest in the case, the District Attorney William Jerome


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[Assistant] Is, uh, a sworn affidavit from a junior police officer who was the first on scene.


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[Assistant] And in this affidavit, the officer stated his belief that Nan was quote, criminally involved. Wow. So she's being held without bail cause like,


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[Assistant] He thought so? Cause like I feel it. I feel it in my bones. Wild. Wow. Now despite that being the only quote unquote evidence, investigators and the district attorney's office pressed forward as though Nan were guilty. Wow. Less than a week after the shooting, the district attorney there, uh, William Jerome brought the case to a grand jury.


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[Assistant] Algeron Mayer. I'm gonna call him Mayer because I don't wanna, like, Butcher that name. Butcher his name, exactly.


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[Assistant] But, a supposed witness to the shooting went to the press to publicly identify himself and tell his story, before making a formal statement to the police or the district attorney. He just went balls to the wall and was like, sup public. Wow. He told the papers he'd seen the struggle inside the cab and quote, the shooting appeared to be accidental, he said.


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[Assistant] Now his account actually seemed to corroborate what Nan had told police in her statement.


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[Assistant] But more importantly, he was one of very few people with no agenda that could speak on her defense. On behalf of her defense.


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[Assistant] So when the story broke about mayor witnessing the crime, the DA's office came forward to announce the identity of their own witness, a man named Carl Norlander.


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[Assistant] According to them, Norlander had been brought to the tombs where he positively ID'd Nan


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[Assistant] As the woman he saw shoot Cesar Young in the cab.


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[Assistant] But the problem was that there were no eye witnesses to the shooting.


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[Assistant] And the heavy news coverage of Cesar's death had prompted a flood of letters to Nan's defense team and the district attorney's office from all the supposed witnesses. And it basically just caused this whole messy again situation where both sides were trying to outdo each other with false claims just to strengthen their cases.


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[Assistant] And instead of taking place in a courtroom where a judge could have controlled all this chaos, it was taking place publicly in the newspapers.


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[Assistant] Pretty much by design because both sides knew that they were swaying the public's view with each story coming out.


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[Assistant] The coroner and the district attorney also became willing participants in this media frenzy.


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[Assistant] And both with little regard for truth or their professional obligations, they basically saw Nan's case


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[Assistant] To make a bigger name for themselves, and they were trying to capitalize on


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[Assistant] So day after day, public officials from the coroner to the police captain to the district attorney.


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[Assistant] I have obtained sworn information which makes it certain that when the inquest is held


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[Assistant] Shocked. Because when he was asked what this information was, he said, I can't share it with you right now. You know what? It goes to another school. You wouldn't know it. Yea, exactly. She doesn't even go here.


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[Assistant] He was the pawn breaker, uh, pawn broker, the pawn breaker, the pawn broker who claimed to have sold the pistol used in Caesar's death. Now shortly after Nan's arrest, this man's turn,


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[Assistant] The police theorized that it could have been Nan's sister who went to buy the gun with her husband, J. Morgan Smith.


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[Assistant] They said Nan's sister was the one to maybe send Caesar those threatening letters that nobody ever saw. Of course.


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[Assistant] They were like, maybe she was doing her sister solid. Maybe. Writing letters and buying guns. Yeah. Fucking sister. That's why I was going to say sibling shit. For real. Who's cow we taking?


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[Assistant] So despite a lack of evidence tying into the shooting, the DA presented the case to a grand jury that included a considerable amount of, uh, of questionable testimony from people they said witnessed the shooting.


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[Assistant] And after hearing the evidence, the jury made the unconventional request to hear Nan's account of uh, events.


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[Assistant] But her council decided that it probably was not in her best interest to go on the stand.


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[Assistant] On one side of things, she can sit there and, you know.


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[Assistant] But that request alone definitely hinted that the jury wasn't entirely convinced by the prosecution's case, because they're like,


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[Assistant] Okay, like can we hear from her? Yea. But still, Abe Levy and Nan's other lawyers viewed the request for her to testify as more of a risk, like we were just saying, than anything else.


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[Assistant] And as far as they were concerned, the evidence against Dan spoke for itself and it was telling an unconvincing story.


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[Assistant] So they felt there was nothing to be gained by having her appear. Okay.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, her refusal to appear in court did not help her case.


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[Assistant] Probably. Because despite their previously indicated doubt, on June 13th, the grand jury returned an indictment of murder in the first degree against Ann Patterson.


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[Assistant] Now from the moment Nan was found in the cab with Caesar, tons of news outlets from New York to California,


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[Assistant] Had made it clear that while they didn't know if she was responsible for Caesar's death or not, there was no doubt she was an unsavory character.


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[Assistant] Because she's an actress. No doubt. No doubt. No doubt. She had that stage fever.


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[Assistant] And basically that was their main focus. On June 5th, just one day after Caesar's death,


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[Assistant] The front page of the San Francisco Call referred to Nan as a quote, wrecker of the bookmaker's home.


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[Assistant] And when they talked about Caesar's wife, Margaret, they called her a beautiful and talented woman.


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[Assistant] Who has been credited by her husband with having lifted him from a position of


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[Assistant] To one of affluence. Wow. Which like, they should be nice about his wife. She got really fucking screwed over here. Oh yeaah. But like, you don't know if Nan's guilty or not, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like we're really just going with that guilty thing, huh? Exactly. And in reality, Caesar's wealth actually had not come from his wife. Yeah, and it's like here's


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[Assistant] 100%. Like, that should be, like, yeaah.


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[Assistant] She did wreck the bookmakers home, but she was not alone in that. He too ruined home. Yep, takes two to tango. Exactly. But the article in The Call is the perfect example of the classism and misogyny that surrounded all three of Nan's trials.


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[Assistant] Woah. All three. Three? Yea, strap in everybody, get comfortable. Damn. So, quote-unquote home-wrecking aside, Nan's onstage career was also looked down upon by many Americans who, as author, uh, Carrie Segrave pointed out, quote, looked upon females within the field as loose and generally immoral.


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[Assistant] So because she was part of this like traveling group of the Floridora girls and wanted to be an actress, they were like,


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[Assistant] The other thing is Nan barely spent any time acting, but throughout her trials she would constantly be referred to as the actress in like a mocking tone. The actress.


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[Assistant] The Actress. Imagine Gwyneth on her trial being like, the Actress.


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[Assistant] Like what? But they clearly were hoping that that little piece of information about her life would sway the jury if they didn't like- Absolutely, it's a tactic for sure. Couldn't quote loose and generally immoral girls. Wild.


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[Assistant] So the trial, the first one, did get underway finally on November 15th, 1904. And the assistant district attorney, William Rand, was acting as the prosecutor, and Abe Levy there was leading Nan's defense.


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[Assistant] So despite the media circus that surrounded the case, the trial, the first one was pretty simple and straightforward.


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[Assistant] The prosecution alleged that Nan was afraid of losing Caesar, so she shot him in a jealous fit of rage. The assistant DA told the jury,


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[Assistant] The wound which brought about his death could not have been self-inflicted.


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[Assistant] Nan's sister and brother-in-law, the Smiths, who the prosecution believed had purchased the gun that killed Caesar,


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[Assistant] They hadn't been located so they couldn't, they weren't able to be subpoenaed. Damn.


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[Assistant] The district attorney made a show of calling the pawnbreaker.


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[Assistant] It's the pawnbroker Hyman Stern. The district attorney made a show of calling him to the stand.


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[Assistant] So that they could show him photos of the Smiths.


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[Assistant] And they were hoping he'd be able to confirm that they were the people who bought the gun the night before the shooting.


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[Assistant] Coincidentally, when the time came for Stern to testify,


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[Assistant] Assistant DA William Rand, who had absolutely no way of knowing, replied, it may have been, in fact.


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[Assistant] I think that nervous strain which she's been under is the cause. Oh. Sir, you're a district attorney. You're not under.


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[Assistant] They maintained their assertion that Caesar had been drinking the morning of his death, his judgment was impaired by whiskey and no food, and he shot himself in a fit of what they called, quote unquote, alcoholically sentimental despair.


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[Assistant] So in support of their argument, the defense attorney levy there.


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[Assistant] Called a man named Milton Hazelton to the witness stand.


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[Assistant] 78 year old Hazelton had been in New York for a short, uh, a short trip in June.


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[Assistant] They saw a young man and woman facing each other with their hands clasped together.


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[Assistant] And then they're like, this guy saw this happen. And they're like, look, an eyewitness who has every single view of every angle of this crime. And it's like, wow, okay. That's the thing. And the problem here is that the Handsome Cap didn't come to a stop.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was because of the sound. It pulled over after the shot. So I don't know about this witness that the defense called. In my opinion, I don't know if this man saw what he saw. Or what he said he saw.


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[Assistant] I dunno. But his testimony was corroborated by a second witness, John Latour, I believe is how you say it.


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[Assistant] He was coming out of a nearby drug store, excuse me, when the shot was fired, and he said, quote, as the cab passed me, I heard a shot fired.


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[Assistant] But that's confusing because had he already shot himself...


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[Assistant] The gun at that point had fallen into his pocket.


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[Assistant] So you wouldn't have, if he had just shot himself and the gun fell, he wouldn't still be holding it.


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[Assistant] She said he had shot himself and then the gun fell into his pocket.


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[Assistant] That's the defense there. But the prosecution in the absence of Hyman Stern, the pawn breaker, lol.


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[Assistant] In the absence of his testimony, they had to rely on the little forensic evidence that they had.


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[Assistant] That he wanted to use to show the trajectory of the bullet from the point of entry. Evidence they felt would show Caesar couldn't have fired the shot himself.


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[Assistant] So they wanted to bring in this whole skeleton and do this whole, like, fuckin'...


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[Assistant] Caesar, so it won't be accurate. Which, okay.


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[Assistant] Now, the judge actually overruled the objection and allowed the pres- the presentation, that's the word I was looking for, the presentation to continue.


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[Assistant] But later, even the press would admit that the coroner's demonstration, quote, did not settle the question whether the wound which was fatal to Yang could have been self-inflicted.


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[Assistant] So they went to the trouble of doing this entire presentation, and it honestly just seemed to confuse people more than anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That does seem like a lot. It absolutely does. But remember, he was most likely drunk.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, I couldn't get that angle either. Because they said that it went below his shoulder. Because at first, actually, when I'm-


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[Assistant] I'm actually having a realization right now because when I was reading it, I thought it went through the front of his body, but now that I'm presenting this again, it sounds like it went through the back of his body.


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[Assistant] Like who knows, some people have really long arms. And it sounds like he was pretty tall because the skeleton they were going to bring in was not as tall as him.


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[Assistant] I mean, we'll see that the jury themselves each time was like...


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[Assistant] In addition to the testimony from those two eyewitnesses, Hazel, Hazelton and Latour, there was testimony from the man who drove Nan's cab the evening before the shooting.


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[Assistant] So they were like, he was shitty. Wow. And that was because remember they had gone to dinner the night before. His brother-in-law was chaperoned and then they got into a cab to leave. And evidently, according to this man at least, he was horrible to her.


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[Assistant] But, just when things seemed to be going well for the defense, everything fell apart on November 27th when one of the jurors had a stroke.


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[Assistant] and was listed by his doctors as being in serious condition


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[Assistant] So because there was no alternate juror in the case, a mistrial was declared and a new trial was scheduled for early December.


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[Assistant] Wow. So she may have been on her way to winning this trial. Oh, the momentum was totally broken. And because they didn't have an alternate juror.


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[Assistant] They had no choice but to just redo everything. Nan spoke to the press immediately after telling them,


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[Assistant] That sucks. That sucks so hard for her. And then her statement about helping choose that jury came back to haunt her.


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[Assistant] Because their second trial got underway on December 5th, 1904 with the selection of a new jury.


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[Assistant] That's how it all started, obviously. And the process was immediately sensationalized by the press. Because most media outlets were claiming that Nan was hand-picking jurors, since she had said like, I helped pick the jury. This time they were like, she's picking people based entirely on who would be most sympathetic.


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[Assistant] In reality she had some input, but the jury selection was conducted as it always had been. It was a collaborative process all the way through.


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[Assistant] Quote unquote, gray haired men. The implication being they'd be swayed by her beauty and charm. Come on. Like really? Come on.


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[Assistant] So jury selection was completed on December 8th, and this time they had the forethought to choose alternate jurors. Ah, there you go. Luckily. I know, I'm like, why would you not think that? Don't prepare. I know.


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[Assistant] Since very little time had passed between the first and second trial, William Rand's opening statement remained more or less the same as it had when he gave it a month earlier.


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[Assistant] He said Nan was a quote, vampire, murderess, and wrecker of homes.


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[Assistant] So she shot him with the revolver that was purchased at the pawn shop by her sister and her brother in law the previous evening.


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[Assistant] So one of the first witnesses called was a man named Frederick Michaels, who was the cab driver who drove Nan and Caesar's cab that morning. In his previous testimony, he told the jury,


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[Assistant] Due to his position behind the cab, he didn't see anything that happened.


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[Assistant] And a few days into the trial, Assistant DA Rand caused a whole last stir in the courtroom.


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[Assistant] With the implication being that if the Smiths were innocent and played no role in the death, why would they have fled? Because they couldn't be located at that point.


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[Assistant] Abe Levy, the defense attorney, objected and the jury was excused while both sides made their arguments and tried to figure this whole thing out.


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[Assistant] Levy correctly pointed out that there was no evidence of the Smiths having been served a warrant or a subpoena, so they were free to move about the country in any way they pleased.


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[Assistant] It's insane. And other than their relationship to Nan, there was still no evidence that they were in any way connected to the shooting. Like the pun breaker himself said like, no, I don't recognize those people. Yeah, so what are we doing here?


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[Assistant] That's cool. All you're saying is she saw her sister and brother-in-law the night before the murder and they had a conversation.


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[Assistant] Exactly. So it was clear to Rand, or excuse me, it was clear that Rand was doing his best to obscure facts here and try to strengthen his case.


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[Assistant] But fortunately, the judge agreed with the defense and refused to allow Rand to go any further with his line of questioning after doing that. So he kind of fucked himself there. Which like, I mean...


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[Assistant] You shouldn't be able to lie like that, so I'm glad. But things got worse for him later that afternoon when the pawn broker Hyman Stern ended up taking the stand he had recovered.


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[Assistant] Now as we know, the prosecution had really been amping up his testimony and being like, this is gonna be like the, the,


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[Assistant] When he was finally on the stand, their assertions of a conspiracy were quickly falling apart.


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[Assistant] Not only was the jury informed that he had failed to identify Smith or his wife in the photos, but now he was even more vague. The New York Times reported that Stern quote,


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[Assistant] Recalled the sale of the pistol, but could give no adequate description of the parties who made the purchase.


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[Assistant] Like the questions directed to Sweeney, Rand hoped the letters would imply guilt on the part of the Smiths and establish them as co-conspirators.


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[Assistant] So on December 19th, as the case neared its end.


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[Assistant] Nan actually took the stand for the first time to testify in her own defense.


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[Assistant] In addition to proving several details about her own life, which


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[Assistant] He told me to say I was willing to go away, but that was all a bluff. That he didn't want me to go away at all. It was necessary for me to say I was going away, he explained for Mrs. Young's peace of mind.


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[Assistant] You may have seen like this whole argument and shit like that the night before, but I was never going anywhere. Wow. Which like...


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[Assistant] She said this actually was not going to be the end of her relationship at all, and that Caesar was going to send for her once he'd settled in Europe.


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[Assistant] I was not in the pawn shop the night before the shooting, and I did not ask my sister or my brother in law to purchase any gun for me. I didn't need one.


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[Assistant] Then she explained to the jury that on the morning of the shooting, Caesar had picked her up at her hotel.


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[Assistant] She agreed to go with him, but she actually had no idea where they were going. And she said Caesar was disappointed at having to leave her.


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[Assistant] Nan told Caesar she still loved him, but she didn't think she could uproot her life and leave to Europe. And at that point, Caesar got irrationally upset.


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[Assistant] And she said, he asked, do you really mean that Nan? I've lost a lot of money and now I'm gonna lose my girl.


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[Assistant] After Caesar pushed back, she relented and agreed to join him in Europe a short time later. But then she said,


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[Assistant] He grabbed me and pressed me to him with such force that it hurt me badly. As I did so I heard a muffled report and he fell forward in my lap. I saw no pistol.


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[Assistant] He half rose again and I began to scold him, not realizing what, what had happened. Then he fell forward again and I couldn't attract his attention.


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[Assistant] That's the thing. So basically she's saying, the whole plan was that I was going to join him in Europe.


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[Assistant] He picked me up the next morning, I didn't know where we were going, I kinda thought we were just meeting one last time. And then I told him, I don't know if I can uproot my whole entire life and go to Europe.


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[Assistant] We fought a little bit about it, I relented, and then he shot himself. Okay. Which is a little confusing because if she relented and was like, okay, I'll go. And then he shot himself.


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[Assistant] That doesn't make a lot of sense, but he's drunk, so maybe he misheard her and still thought she wasn't into this whole idea?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Or maybe didn't believe her when she was like, no, nevermind, I'll go with you. Yeah, maybe. And he's about to leave and go to Europe. Yeah.


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[Assistant] No. So Nan's accounts of the events before and after Caesar's shooting, they had remained consistent from the moment she was arrested. But this was the first time most people heard this version of the story.


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[Assistant] Because the press had always presented the death as either a murder or a suicide.


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[Assistant] And the prosecution had always maintained their belief that there was no way it was anything but murder.


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[Assistant] And in the press, Nan was presented as this low class home wrecker who's a moral behavior head.


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[Assistant] Either directly or indirectly caused the death of a man she claimed to love.


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[Assistant] But frankly, no one ever considered that death could be an accident.


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[Assistant] Because they just looked at Nan and saw what they wanted to see. That's very true. And now she's sitting here saying, maybe it was an accident, like I don't know.


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[Assistant] Do you think possibly he was trying to shoot her and like thought the bullet would go through her and into him because they were hugging?


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[Assistant] What are you doing now? Who knows, maybe he wasn't aiming for that specific area because I remember he's drunk.


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[Assistant] Again, nobody knows. This is very bizarre. It is.


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[Assistant] But actress as she is, stony-hearted, cruel, avenging, adventurous, I say to you that the tale she would have you all believe would not carry conviction in the mind of a child. Wow.


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[Assistant] He was very theatrical. Theatrical. Theatrical David.


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[Assistant] So after 11 hours of deliberation in the second trial now, the jury foreman reported to the judge that they were hopelessly deadlocked.


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[Assistant] I think we should acquit her, but fuck, what if she did do this? That's the thing! Or, I think we should convict her, but fuck, what if she didn't do this?


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[Assistant] So the judge in the case, Vernon Davis, reminded the jury of their duty and asked that they return to deliberation and try again. But they returned a little over an hour later saying,


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[Assistant] And after talking with the jury foreman, Judge Davis returned to the bench and told the assembled crowd,


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[Assistant] Rand and Jerome called a press conference to announce their intention to pursue the third trial. And despite proving herself no flight risk or potential threat to the community,


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[Assistant] Jerome told reporters, under the circumstances I will oppose to the release of Nan Patterson on bail in any amount.


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[Assistant] It's like, she hasn't done anything, she's just been sitting in jail, and you're not, like, really.


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[Assistant] Now when the final trial did finally begin on April 18th, 1905,


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[Assistant] Rand and the district attorney's office were pushing for a jury of all married men.


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[Assistant] Thinking they would be less inclined to be swayed by Nan's charm and beauty.


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[Assistant] And in the time between the second and third trials, the Smiths, Nan's sister and brother-in-law,


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[Assistant] Rand claimed to have come into possession of these letters sent by the Smiths to Caesar Young, but refused to produce them in court or hand them over to the Smiths' lawyer.


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[Assistant] Which is literally just another example of him having no real evidence in a crime, but making vague and dramatic allusions to the press.


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[Assistant] And it's like you're sitting there in a legit court case under oath saying you have these letters but no one has seen them. And it's like just produce them man. Produce them if you have them. You don't have them. Exactly.


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[Assistant] So now that is a whole separate piece, and while the Smiths lawyers argued with the district attorney's office, Nan's criminal trial proceeded as expected.


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[Assistant] In most ways, the third trial was exactly like the other two. Same witnesses giving the same testimony. But this time, the defense had committed more time to the analysis of the coroner's report and produced their own expert witness


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[Assistant] Who claimed to the jury that the trajectory of the bullet entering under the left shoulder at a downward trajectory.


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[Assistant] would have been consistent with Nan's story of an accidental shooting and similarly


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[Assistant] The coroner reported that while they found no powder marks on Nan's fingers after the shooting, they did find powder on Caesar's fingers indicating that he held the gun when it went off.


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[Assistant] And that, that's pretty... That's telling. Yeaah. Like, there was no powder on her hands. I don't think she shot that gun. Yeaah. I don't, I really don't. And it's like... How would she have gotten gunpowder residue off her hands?


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[Assistant] So I don't, I don't know anything about that to be honest, but I do feel like the prosecution's office would have argued that if they could have.


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[Assistant] That's true. You know, like they would have been like, well, she was wearing gloves. Of course they're, I mean, they were going for anything. Yeah, that's true. So I don't know. I mean, it's possible, but I feel like they, the, the defense wouldn't, wouldn't sit there and be like, there was nothing on her hands with the chance that she was wearing gloves that then they,


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[Assistant] I can't remember, they said her fingerprints could have been on the gun. So I don't think she was wearing gloves.


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[Assistant] Unless she took the gloves off and picked up the gun.


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[Assistant] But then why would his fingers also have gunpowder residue on them? Cause maybe it was his gun. No, he had gunpowder residue like on his hands.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he wanted him to identify the Smiths as the buyer of the gun, but...


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[Assistant] When the time came and Rand asked Stern whether he could identify the Smiths as the buyers, the pawnbroker said, no sir, I cannot.


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[Assistant] Now Rand clearly expected a different answer and was stunned by Stern's statement and asked several more times if he was sure and each time he was given the same response. Nope, I cannot identify the Smiths or Nan Patterson as the individual who purchased the gun. Please don't subpoena me again. I'm busy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I'm good. Even if I remember something, I don't remember something. Exactly. So, on May 3rd, 1905, the jury adjourned for deliberation.


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[Assistant] And much like the previous trial, they emerged at 2.30am to report.


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[Assistant] And a short time later, all of the relevant parties were brought back into the courtroom where the foreman was formally asked whether the jury had reached a verdict and he said,


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[Assistant] And with that, a third mistrial was declared.


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[Assistant] So on May 12th, 1905, after three exhausting trials, Nan Patterson was released from the tombs and allowed to leave New York a free woman. But she had spent over a year in jail, close to two.


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[Assistant] And despite having essentially lost the case, William Jerome, the district attorney.


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[Assistant] In the jury room on three points that J Morgan Smith bought the pistol from the pawnbroker Stern.


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[Assistant] That Nan Patterson took the pistol into the cab with her and that Caesar Young did not commit suicide.


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[Assistant] You wouldn't be sitting here right now saying, like, shut up. So following the mistrial.


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[Assistant] And her eventual release, Nan returned to her parents' home in Washington, DC.


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[Assistant] And in a wild fucking twist of events, in September of 1905, she remarried her former husband Leon Gaines Martin. Shut the fuck up. And just faded out of the spotlight into obscurity. What?


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[Assistant] But, not surprisingly, the marriage did not last long, even the second time around, and they divorced, with Nan getting married for a third time in 1910.


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[Assistant] This time to a man named Captain Sum, uh, Sumner Scott.


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[Assistant] I think the thing is, it's just like a very strange...


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[Assistant] Circumstance. Scenario, yeah. Like, you don't, I've never heard of another case like this.