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[Assistant] And when he did, he lost his shit on him. He was like, I can't believe you complained about this. You forced our workers to have to build an expensive chute to dispose of the debris. You cost me money. The correct way to dispose of that. And he pulled a gun on him.


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[Assistant] And so a passing patrolman and a police officer was walking by and saw this whole thing and like tackled HH Holmes to the ground. Hey, uh, put your gun away, asshole. Luckily for Holmes, the whole thing wasn't pursued much further by Nichols because he was like, I don't even want to deal with this guy anymore. He's crazy.


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[Assistant] But he was very aggressive and reckless and that shows right there that he was losing it. He's breaking.


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[Assistant] And in his confession, Holmes claimed that the letter that was sent to Aunt Lucy from Minnie Ann, that was supposed to be from Nanny.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he claimed that that was forged by many.


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[Assistant] Why nobody should ask where she is. Uh huh. So on the day that the letter was written, Minnie, what in reality, took a day trip to Milwaukee and Nanny had went with Holmes to the World's Fair. They had just taken the fair together while Minnie was away for the day.


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[Assistant] Uh huh. She was gonna be away for the night, I believe. Okay. Uhm, they were seen several times during the day by several witnesses together. It was the last time.


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[Assistant] He had sent a letter to the landlords of the apartment that he'd set up for himself, like the landlord of the upstairs apartment. Okay. Uhm, he had actually sent, uh, cause he had set up another apartment outside of the castle where they were going to be moving from the castle to this apartment together. Him and Minnie? Yea, him, Minnie, and Nanny. He was going to have Nanny in there too.


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[Assistant] He sent a landlord to that apartment, or excuse me, a letter to the landlord of that apartment, sorry.


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[Assistant] Uhm, saying that they would no longer need that apartment. Uh, the landlord was like, that's weird, because like,


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[Assistant] They're living in there now. Like I don't understand, like, where are they? Yeah. What's going on? But he's like, so the landlord was a little suspicious, so he went into the apartment to check on him.


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[Assistant] And he found it was abandoned. Completely. Oh, so sorry. So him and Minnie had already started living there and then he sent the letter and was like, no, we don't need to live here anymore. Yea, he had set up a whole apartment because they were living in the castle. Yup. But then he had set up a second apartment outside of the castle, which he often did with people where he would have like... So they wouldn't hear everything. Basically.


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[Assistant] So he had set them up in there and they had only been living in there for a little while. But they had lived there. But they had lived in there for at least like a week or something like that. Sure. And there was things, but it was completely abandoned.


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[Assistant] And he said, and the landlord said it looked like somebody had left very quickly. Also, like, do you have a lease? Yeah, probably not. But a few days later, Nanny's trunk of all her belongings arrived at the Chicago Wells Fargo office, addressed Miss Nanny Williams,


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[Assistant] C-O-H Gordon. Oh nooo. No one ever came to claim that trunk. Nooo.


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[Assistant] Now later, like I said, he was gonna blame Minnie for a lot of things. He was going to later blame Minnie for the murder of her own sister. Yea, I had a feeling that was coming. He said she was insanely jealous of Nanny.


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[Assistant] And worried that Holmes was going to cheat on her with Nanny. Well, and it's like, hm, the night she was gone in Milwaukee.


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[Assistant] He claims she came home the next day and found that only one bed had been slept in.


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[Assistant] After that he told Manny, like, you need to leave. He just banished her.


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[Assistant] Uh, pay out from her brother Baldwin's death, who he is also.


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[Assistant] He locked her in an airtight room to suffocate a slow and agonizing death. Jesus fucking Christ. Both women had insurance policies taken out on them by none other than Holmes himself as the beneficiary.


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[Assistant] I don't even, like he, he's evil in so many different ways. Yea, he really is. And what's crazy is later what you'll see is he takes another wife after this by the way. What? And we'll get into that. I didn't see that coming. Crazy, he's not the marrying type, but here he is.


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[Assistant] He takes another wife, and people see him with this wife later, and sometimes he will refer to her as Minnie.


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[Assistant] And some people confuse her as Minnie, so people think that Minnie is alive longer than she was. And then there was this, um, article I found in like a super old, um, um, or a super old edition of the Ann Arbor Argus newspaper. It's from 1895. And it just says Minnie Williams is alive.


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[Assistant] She's not. And it says, Holmes received a telegram from her yesterday. I bet he did. And it says, it was on August 22, 1895, and it says,


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[Assistant] He brushed tears from his eyes and continued, I'm sorry, however, that she has made herself so public by telegraphing. She might as well have written.


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[Assistant] Then it says Providence, Rhode Island, August 21st. The night operator remembers the message, but could not state the time at which it was filed, nor could he state whether it was filed by a man or a woman. Because he was paid off. An inspection of the directory here fails to disclose any name that can be taken for that of a person indicated by the signature of the message. So Minnie R. Williams was not alive at that point.


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[Assistant] And she did not sign for that telegraph. And it was definitely done by somebody helping. Holmes.


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[Assistant] Very interesting though, that like even an article was written about it. Yea, that is wild. Now, by this point, he was hoping to, or excuse me, he was hopping to and from various apartments under various names outside of the murder castle to try to stay one step ahead of all the insurance companies that were coming after him.


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[Assistant] I can't imagine, like, bringing that upon myself, like, intentionally. And having, like, murdered people names, like, attached to it. Yeah, that's a whole other fucking- That's a whole other thing.


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[Assistant] But he was essentially running from them, but they were always on his tail. Right. And at the same time,


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[Assistant] An insurance investigator named F.G. Cowie.


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[Assistant] Uh, he tracked Holmes to a small hotel on Lake Avenue, and he went to go question him about that fire.


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[Assistant] And the only person he found in the hotel was a woman who introduced herself as Mrs. Holmes.


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[Assistant] Now, he was determined to nail Holmes through all of this, and this continues later, but he couldn't really get very far with Mrs. Holmes. What we'll find out is that this was his next wife.


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[Assistant] Now the insurance investigator from before was still convinced Holmes had intentionally set that fire and wanted Holmes prosecuted for arson.


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[Assistant] So he looked into the various insurance claims that this man had taken out and received a shit ton of money from, and in January in 1894 he set a trap.


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[Assistant] He told Holmes the company was going to pay out the insurance claim.


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[Assistant] And he was like, just come to the office in downtown Chicago, pick up the check.


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[Assistant] It's gonna be, it's fine. We're gonna punk you, bitch. So, Cowie confronted him when he came to pick up the check and he was like, you are an arsonist, you burnt down that, but we know this. And he managed to get Holmes to confess that he set the fire intentionally. Wow.


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[Assistant] But I guess he did that because he knew that in order to be prosecuted for arson, Cowie was going to have to file the complaint within one year.


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[Assistant] After a year, damn it, he was out. So he just admitted to it being like, they're not going to catch me. Right. And now they'll at least like, I can get out of here.


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[Assistant] So unfortunately for him though, a lot of his other creditors were now aware of all his misdeeds.


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[Assistant] Thanks to the attempt at arsoning himself into a payday. That really put a spotlight on him. That'll do it.


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[Assistant] So they contacted, they all got together and they contacted Lafayette Mercentile Agency, which was a collection agency. The manager, George Chamberlain, organized more than 20 of his creditors.


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[Assistant] On the deed transfer, because then it bought him more time because they had to set up another meeting to fix the clerical error. So when they set up, they were trying to set up the third meeting, he just skipped town altogether.


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[Assistant] But after leaving Chicago, cause he was getting out of Chicago now.


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[Assistant] Holmes went to Denver, and he went to Denver to claim the insurance payout for Baldwin Williams' death, who is Minnie and Nanny's brother. Which tells you everything you need to know. Yep.


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[Assistant] He had forums that were quote unquote signed by Nanny and Minnie giving up claims to their brother's estate and saying that they were going away together for a long time.


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[Assistant] And that H.H. Holmes could take all the stuff on the estate. Wow. And there's all this stuff about like whether he killed him, it's not known.


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[Assistant] It's hard to find anything on Baldwin Williams or what happened to him, but it's very sus. And he did take the insurance payout on him. So, yeah, weird. And while he was in Denver, he met back up with a woman that he had been speaking to and corresponding with for over a year while married to Clara Murda and pretending to be married to Minnie.


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[Assistant] Her name was Georgiana Yoke. Oh, that's a pretty name. And he had been again talking to her for at least a year before leaving Chicago. He courted her very quickly, and on January 17th, he married her.


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[Assistant] Georgiana Yoke was born October 17th, 1869. A lot more is known about her than most of the other victims. I don't know why she was concentrated on more.


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[Assistant] She had almost white blonde hair, she had super blue eyes that were huge apparently.


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[Assistant] Back then I guess it's not part of being a classic beauty. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It truly is.


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[Assistant] But when she knew Holmes, she was in her early 20s. She had been working as a school teacher in Indiana until early 1893. She actually just like


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was while she was in Chicago with her uncle that she met H.H. Holmes. Whomp, whomp. They met apparently while she was working at the cloak department at the fairgrounds. Bitch got you a cloak. Uh, she had also worked at a department store before that in the area, but apparently Minnie was someone who came there a lot, like,


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[Assistant] Georgiana and Minnie definitely met. Ooh, that's weird. Yeah, I don't like that. Yeah, no, that's too close to home.


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[Assistant] And, like nearly all of the women that H.H. Holmes ever came in contact with, or anything else in his life for that matter, uhm, his interest in Georgiana, I mean she was beautiful, yeaah, but it definitely had a lot to do with money.


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[Assistant] In 1893, the year that they met, Georgiana's grandmother had passed away. Oh my god, wait, wait, wait.


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[Assistant] Uh, he went to Denver and he knew exactly what he needed to do. He needed to find that girl he was stringing along and marry her to get her money. He even told her mother that the mini property was in Fort Worth, Texas, was left to him by his uncle. False. Yeah, false.


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[Assistant] But strangely, he said there was one condition of this inherited land, and it was that Holmes had to take on his late uncle's name.


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[Assistant] Apparently Georgiana was fine with that, like the strange name changing. Okay. She knew him as HH Holmes. She also knew a few of his other aliases. She just kind of accepted that, which is interesting.


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[Assistant] Uhm, shows how charming he could be when he wanted to be. That's the thing, cause to us we're like, who the fuck would believe that? But like, I would believe that if somebody charmed the pants off of me. He's charming these ladies.


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[Assistant] Believed that she knew about the Wilmette woman. Okay. Talking about Murda, his other wife.


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[Assistant] So she was like, I thought I knew her. I believe I might have known about her, but she didn't remember if he had said they were married or not.


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[Assistant] Oh wow, that's crazy. Georgiana. I mean, minor detail. Wow. I was like, come on. And at one point she was like,


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[Assistant] I mean, like, I, he might have said that there was a marriage ceremony, but I just don't remember. And it's like, girl, that's, you know what? I'm here to say it. That's not a girl's girl. That's not a girl's girl. But newspapers at the time, um, did, like, she was


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[Assistant] Uh, but newspapers at the time referred to her as an adventurous spirit.


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[Assistant] He said something about her that I was like...


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[Assistant] Wow. All right. I was like, if anybody ever said that about me, I'd be like, wow, that is, I'm going to like chisel that on something. He called her a remarkably beautiful woman.


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[Assistant] And he said it was one of those winning attractive faces that you cannot get away from any more than you can believe the possessor capable of evil.


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[Assistant] It was a, it was a fresh and beautiful face with the fine hopes and aspirations of youth in it and one that once seen, seen remained an indelible memory. She wound her way unconsciously into the heart of everyone who met her.


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[Assistant] She had that way about her which takes hold of the roots of things in an instant. She was as gentle and refined in manner and personal conduct as it was possible to be.


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[Assistant] And he said that he was, they were a very affectionate couple. I bet. So, that's interesting.


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[Assistant] Now after leaving Denver, Holmes and Georgiana, his new wife, began making their way to Texas, where he intended to claim that land that many had transferred into his name.


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[Assistant] Or as far as Georgiana knew, that the uncle had left him. Yea, the uncle whose name he now used. But before he did this, they made a brief stop back in Chicago, which I was like, reckless.


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[Assistant] Uh, he, once he was there, he got a new life insurance policy on Georgiana from the Fidelity Mutual Life Association of Philadelphia and he took it out to insure


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[Assistant] Oh shit, it's getting not good up in here. It's getting, it's getting heat. Now, he had, he was very strategic about this time in his life. All the moves he made seemed chaotic, but they all made sense.


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[Assistant] He was definitely moving from one state to another just to avoid prosecution for the arson. Yeah, and creditors. Whole thing and creditors. But the trip to Denver was to claim the insurance payout for the policy on Baldwin Williams' life.


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[Assistant] He was able to claim that money. Uh, the trip to Chicago was done to tie up some loose ends, take out the policy on Pite Cell's life, and then leave the city forever.


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[Assistant] And Holmes' next move to Fort Worth was to claim that land that Minnie Williams' uncle had left and that she had transferred into Holmes and Pitesell's names unknowingly. Yea, but when's he going to find the time to kill Pitesell because I know that's what's happening here. Well, what he was thinking was he was going to sell some of the land in order to get a lot of cash really quick.


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[Assistant] And then on the rest of the land, he was going to build a new three story building, a new castle, the Fort Worth Murder Castle. Does that happen? That's what he was planning to do. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's where he was going to be, where he planned that Pitesel was going to join, and they were all going to be part of this whole scheme together. Yea, right.


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[Assistant] Now it's during this time in Holmes' life that Benjamin Pitesel really came back into the fold in a wild way, obviously. Uh, before he had gotten to Texas with Georgiana, he sent Pitesel there first with his own son, Pitesel's son, Howard, who was 10 years old at the time.


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[Assistant] To start the whole inheritance thing. Because remember, Pytzel can do that because the deed was transferred into his name. Yeah. So he sends him, get that started. Okay. So we can have it going when I get there. You little fucking henchman.


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[Assistant] Pitesil's life was definitely a lot of poor decisions, one after the other, I feel like. Sounds like it. He was a heavy drinker from an early age. Like we said in part two, I believe he had a long history of like petty crimes.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the one that he actually, like the one that we mentioned in part two, he actually had to flee with his wife and four children to Chicago in 1888. Ding ding ding. That's where he met Holmes.


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[Assistant] The connection between Holmes and Peitzel doesn't really show up on paper until 1893.


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[Assistant] But that's when he became one of the bidders on Holmes' ABC copier company when it went to auction, auction, when he didn't pay any of the creditors. Okay.


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[Assistant] But in reality, we know from part two that Pitesel was part of Holmes' life much earlier than that during the construction of the initial castle. Exactly. So they were really playing a long game here, making sure that no one knew that connection early on. Fuckers.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of speculation as to who did what, who knew what when it came to what Holmes was doing, but Pitesel was definitely fully aware of all the schemes and he was involved in a lot of them.


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[Assistant] So we talked about in part two, that uhm, at one point during the time when he was in Holmes' employ,


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[Assistant] That Pitesel had actually gotten arrested in Indiana for passing bad checks. Mhm, I remember that. And Holmes had bailed him out.


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[Assistant] Using bad checks. But he had bailed him out, and we know that Holmes doesn't do anything out of the goodness of his heart. Never does that. No, he needed Pitesil. Yea, he didn't do that. Just a few weeks after bailing him out of jail,


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[Assistant] Holmes sent a letter to Pitesel's lawyer.


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[Assistant] Asking him to send Pytzel a letter threatening him that he was going to be brought back into custody in Indiana.


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[Assistant] He said quote, he is not doing what he ought to in regard to transferring his house in law.


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[Assistant] And it seems that Holmes had been helping to support Pitezel and his wife and children while he was in jail. And in exchange,


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[Assistant] To get this shit done and he was starting to question, is he really gonna do this?


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[Assistant] So he was like, I gotta play that card, I'm gonna have his lawyer threaten him and say that he's gonna be arrested again. It's also like, did you not see this coming, dude? Like, you're a con man, he's a con man, one of you is gonna con the other. Because by this point, Pytzel had been involved.


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[Assistant] Very rarely do people survive to the end of these schemes with H.H. Holmes. It's always him standing alone at the end. With all the money, all the deeds, all the shit, everything. So I don't know how he didn't realize.


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[Assistant] But he, who knows if he realized that he would ever be a target, but at this point, he was going to become a target. He was not just going to be involved, he was going to be the actual, they were going to be saying, hey, we need to have a dead body and take it out and get a false insurance claim. Well, they weren't going to get a fake dead body this time.


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[Assistant] Oh shit. And it's a lot to take in, it's a lot to comb through, and I really wanna give it its own space. I'm starting to wonder if this bitch is gonna be five parts. I think it's gonna be four. You think four? I think four. I'm gonna make it four. But part four I think is gonna be a doozy, a long one. We love. So everybody buckle in, cause we're gonna talk about Jack the Ripper.


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[Assistant] We're gonna talk about all that shit. We're gonna talk about Patzell. We're gonna talk about Patzell. We're gonna talk about...


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[Assistant] Her giant blue eyes that they literally referred to as a defect. And I was like, girl what? Have you ever met Christina Ricci? That's an asset. Like, I'm obsessed with her big eyes. I'm like, ugh.


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[Assistant] Gorge. Love them. Absolutely gorge. Sarah Hyland, come on. You know your eyes, like, are the only part of you that are like as big.


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[Assistant] Fuck yea, and I have some intention flowers sitting next to me. I have a whole shelf that Mikey put together for me.


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[Assistant] Judy was the best, but like she ran a daycare, so there was a lot of us to keep track of, so you know, maybe I wasn't always getting the eyes on me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I also wrote my name on the wall at Judy's house because I had recently seen Madeline do that in her movie, but fun fact, you get in trouble for writing on Judy's walls.


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[Assistant] I follow this girl, sorry, on TikTok that uhm, she will categorize names and she does them into like whimsical names, like old fashioned names. That's fun. I'm gonna find her name.


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[Assistant] And it's sad because again, it's, they are taking advantage of who they believe to be quote unquote less dead. And they're just proving that stigma.


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[Assistant] It's fucked up. It is. And I feel like it's also so important to say like how long it actually takes to suffocate someone. Oh yeaah. Like they weren't, this wasn't like a quote unquote easy way to get away with it or like an easy way to do it. Like these people are fucking monsters. You have to stand there for like


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[Assistant] And like, for that to, for you to stand over somebody for a matter of minutes and do that, like.


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[Assistant] But are they not because Laird's, this one didn't take place in Laird's boarding home?


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[Assistant] You really need to dissect that bad? You've had, how many bodies have we had up to this point? 15?


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[Assistant] Like, I think you've learned some stuff.


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[Assistant] And the fact that she went along with it and didn't get paid is like wild. Yea, it truly is. That's even more. Yea, truly. Like I'm not saying like, well sure they were getting paid so that's why they did it, but it's like wow.


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[Assistant] I have, like, I've said it before, I'll say it again. I have to go.


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[Assistant] Come on over. This is our story that we should stick to. Yeah. You fucking imbeciles. Yup.


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[Assistant] He's like, so sorry that I, um, took a creative writing class a few weeks ago and got confused with that while I was here, but I did kill her.


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[Assistant] That would literally, like, from the sounds of how close these couples were, that would be like me saying, like, if John, like, walked into a room and the police were like, hey, do you know that man? I'd be like,


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[Assistant] They were on some wild shit back then. They really were. That's on like some opium thought process. Yeaah. Yeaah. Like you know what we should do? We should make a declaration. Dip a quill into his head. From the blood of his skull.


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[Assistant] So with that being said, we hope you keep listening, and we hope you keep it!


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[Assistant] But not so weird as hair. Definitely not so weird as Burke and hair ever, or McDougal or Larry, but never ever, ever keep it as weird as hair, cause I don't even know how weird that motherfucker kept it, but he kept it too weird, I can tell you that much. Yea, he definitely kept it too weird. So like, bye.


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[Assistant] I would also like to acknowledge the fact that Pepper is here. You might hear him every so often.


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[Assistant] So happy for her. What a, you know, a book writing gal. Just a real gem.


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[Assistant] I mean yeaah. She definitely did it. She definitely wrote about it. Uhm.


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[Assistant] It is a very fun name. Wichita is, uh, are there more Wichitas? Is it just the one in Texas?


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[Assistant] Wichita is gonna stop being a word any second now.


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[Assistant] From what I saw about this, it seems like she kind of flip flops too. She'll be like, no, I'm not, I don't like guns at all. It's not a thing. But she's like, well, everyone had a gun. So like, you know, we just had it. And then she was like, oh, well, we shouldn't have.


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[Assistant] They smell like fungus. Because they are a fungus. That's true. And they, you know, they're just dirt. I don't like them.


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[Assistant] This is a very interesting thing, there are a lot of mushrooms out there.


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[Assistant] These are weird, I could never imagine just walking out and going like, alright I'm gonna eat this weird looking phallic thing growing out of the ground.


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[Assistant] They've been a problem and this Nancy just kinda confirms it for me.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, some of these nancies are just, you know, they're making it bad for other nancies.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say, I mean, some people just, you know, I, I, I'm bad at paperwork. I hate paperwork. I'm bad at getting back to things like that.


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[Assistant] I, cause I don't know enough about all this part. Is she a successful writer? Like was she fairly big? How? Uhm, I- In the grand scheme of things, how did it go for her?


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause I think we'll get into it later, but one of the books she wrote, it seems like, like it has one of those names that seems like it's pretty popular, but it also seems like...


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[Assistant] It's just, she called it that because something like that is already really popular. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Oh my god, I've seen this time and time again. Standard lifetime.


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[Assistant] I'm not, I've just been, honestly, my brain is getting fried lately because all I've been watching is 90 Day Fiancé, and uhm, since I got into this rabbit hole, I've realized that there's like 36, like, offsets of 90 Day Fiancé, so really,


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[Assistant] I don't think it's, it's not a hole you can dig yourself, it's a hole you can't dig yourself out of.


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[Assistant] All you people that are into taxes out there, you just, you do your tax things.


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[Assistant] I would just love to be a fly on the wall, just to see what she was doing with this chastity belt.


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[Assistant] It's not for pleasure, it's purely for science.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to me it just seems like starting a life insurance policy seems fairly standard to a certain extent, but then those- they used a few key words that made it sound like they're doing this many different times and just kinda throw in life insurance policies around and that seems... worrisome.


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[Assistant] Can you just do that? Like can you just have multiple life insurance policies and just like.


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[Assistant] I mean like, people aren't going around with like, you know, three different car insurances. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've done anything really aside from uhm.


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[Assistant] Sorry, let me cut you off real quick. What timeline were we at before that?


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[Assistant] That was another thing too, he was pretty much always there every morning. He was the first one there every morning, really early.


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[Assistant] And uh, for his corle- his- for his culinary class.


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[Assistant] To my knowledge, it might have been another one of the teachers, like another one of the culinary teachers. I think there's only like a few because they were doing like weekend classes, Saturday and Sunday type thing.


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[Assistant] But she said she saw a bunch of students like lined up out there and was like, that's weird. They're usually all in there because he's early. He lets them in really early, but the door was locked. None of them came in and then another like, uhm,


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[Assistant] One other worker or something like that came over to the side, let all the kids in, and then after they're in, I think they walked around for a bit and eventually one of them goes, hey, call 911, there's a body over here.


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[Assistant] Yeah. The 911 call was pretty crazy too. I didn't listen to it.


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[Assistant] It's not one of those like really, really, I mean they're all horrific, you know, but it's not one of those ones that's like...


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[Assistant] You know, it like, makes you wanna like, break down while you're listening to it, but it is still pretty fucked up, and you know, you're listening to it, and they don't really realize that he's dead at first. They're like, hey, he's unconscious, like he's down here, I don't think he's breath- he's breathing, but then after a while they go, oh shit, like he's bleeding from his chest.


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[Assistant] And then, you know, it goes on and then they realize, yeah, he's gone.


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[Assistant] Hmm. Okay, weird response, weird energy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I guess, again, I guess I don't know what to chop it up to because, I mean, I guess I already know the outcome of the story and she's a scumbag.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess in hindsight looking at it, but I don't know, I guess if I didn't know what I knew, it might not be that odd of a statement like, hey.


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[Assistant] You know, leave me alone kind of thing. Give me a little while. Like I can't talk about this. Like I get it. I appreciate it, but I don't know. It is. It's a little odd.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you might just think like, hey, you know, she's tired of hearing about this and she's trying to agree.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but to reiterate, that's not what's happening. She's a piece of shit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, you get a culinary chef who's just there for his, like, weekend job at an institute. Like, someone walking in and killing someone like that is pretty wild.


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[Assistant] I mean, the dude's been an idiot every step of the way.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I don't know, again, I guess when I look at it through the lens of maybe she...


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[Assistant] You know, like something, she's actually going through something. I could see that happening because I've had friends who have lost spouses who have had very similar reactions, so I mean.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I guess it's just kind of out of character at this point because she was so sporadic and terrible about like, you know, leaving shells at the scene, like being caught on camera everywhere, just saying like, oh, I'm in bed. But then when it comes to this, I don't know, I feel like, I almost feel like she did react kind of well for someone who's trying to hide the fact that they killed their husband.


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[Assistant] Maybe don't if that's your goal, but you know.


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[Assistant] How many hitmen do you know? What statistic is this?


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[Assistant] Fairly, nah, it's not even a good script for a movie about a psychopath. It's a very bland script. It's a very... But, wish them dead? I'm sorry.


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[Assistant] This is a weird list, even for someone who...


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[Assistant] Is a terrible person and does terrible things. This is odd.


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[Assistant] Oh, I get what this is now. She wrote this so she could show it to the police later and go, no, no, no, see, this is me saying I would never do, I would only wish it. I, I acknowledge that you guys aren't stupid and I knew you'd be looking at me. Of course it's not me.


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[Assistant] See, and I heard another side too where she was like, Oh, all my friends had one. And then we felt like it was stupid because we didn't have one because friends just kept showing up to our house and they were like, Oh, we have a gun. I was like, I don't think that ever happened actually, but sure. Interesting story.


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[Assistant] How did she manage to do all of that, but she goes, no, I was asleep.


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[Assistant] I mean, like the thing that she did, like you said, that's kind of impressive. That's kind of crazy.


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[Assistant] Uh, maybe people that are like more into guns, but I don't know. Like that's still just, that's crazy. This chick writing murder mystery fucking lifetime novels about killing her husband.


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[Assistant] I mean, I don't know, is she saying she's gonna wish people dead? But then she thought to do this? That's, that's something else.


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[Assistant] This is, uh, like from one of her, uh, trials, I believe.


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[Assistant] No, this is just from something that happened like two decades ago, you know, when you, you grabbed the Skittles from the Kroger.


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[Assistant] I mean like, I knew that that was a thing, I'm not like super into guns or anything, uhm, but like...


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[Assistant] I knew that was a thing, but I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have thought to like, you know, be like, oh, it could be a thing in a case where you're switching it around for like, you know, the investigation purposes. Like I wouldn't have thought of that. And I don't, I don't know. Maybe other people listening, they're like, oh, of course you think of that. But I wouldn't think that Nancy would think of that.


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[Assistant] And why is she so cocky thinking she's gonna get away with this when she's like, yeah, I did this, but you didn't, you didn't prep anything else.


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[Assistant] Because it's like, it's like a fiction novel type thing or like a blog post or whatever it happened to be.


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[Assistant] I don't know, is this weird, I feel like material things.


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[Assistant] Mean less and less the older you get, you know?


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[Assistant] I know, and it sucks that, you know, they get to that point where they have to put it out there like that. It's like, hey, yeah, I don't want to say this, but he was just a number to her.


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[Assistant] I'm sure she would have been. I mean it sounded like it wasn't going well.


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[Assistant] For sure. I mean, she's obviously wanted to get rid of him to keep spending. So I don't think that was gonna slow down. I think if anything, it was gonna ramp up.


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[Assistant] Would she, uh, write a letter to the insurance and go, hey, uh, can I get that money, uh, post-haste?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, really anything that you need to research about it, you could look up. Or if anything, I don't know, maybe ask a friend who has one or something, be like, hey, can I just look at this for like a little bit or something like anything else? I don't think you need to go out and get a gun license if you just want to look at a gun for a little while.


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[Assistant] And if she's saying like, oh, it's research, it's research, this and that, but I've never fired it, how much research are you doing on it? You're not even going to shoot the thing that you're researching? Like, don't you want to see how a thing functions if you're researching it? I don't know. There's, there's a lot of levels to that, which I think she's full of shit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you always know it's going well when they start offering up their own theories.


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[Assistant] Okay, well what do you think her plan was in that moment to draw them up like she was gonna order them again?


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[Assistant] I think if it went down to it, she was gonna order them again, and she was gonna go, look, they're right here, and then they were gonna go, uhm, it says right here that you-


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[Assistant] You just ordered a second set, so where's the first set? It should be like, I don't know what you're talking about.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, like I said, she's the king of flip-flopping.


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[Assistant] I was actually curious on if they had kids or not.


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[Assistant] What an idiot, dude. I mean, I'm glad she's in jail. I'm kind of disappointed that she has the possibility of parole in 25 years, but, uhm, hopefully she'll be, like, withering and, like, dying at that point, so.


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[Assistant] It's been a while since I've done a true crime, anything really. I think it's been like three years.


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[Assistant] I was like, how does- they just didn't realize in this district because it was like another district? Oh, I think it was just in the 1800s and they-


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[Assistant] And again, so easy to prove, like you go to his house, does he have a child's bedroom? Yeah. Like the end? The end, he does not. And then also, you don't want that child, so you're just doing that to be an asshole. Oh, for sure. But how many parents do that?


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[Assistant] He makes this fake TRO, except it's not a TRO. It's a divorce decree. And he doesn't even show up for a fucking hearing. He doesn't. That's where my head's at.


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[Assistant] There's gotta be Capricorn in his chart. I'm pretty- I think his birthday, he's a cancer. Like-


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[Assistant] Well, and it kinda seems like, at least from what I know, H.H. Holmes' like, operation of murder is very different than Jack the Ripper's, right?


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[Assistant] Which is interesting because this is really when age is getting to a beginning over here. So that is interesting. It definitely is. I'll be, I'm excited to hear what you have to say once you are able to look more into it.


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[Assistant] I don't know what you're talking about. I love that, and like, nobody was like, yeah dude, like clearly you just did that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] But that's a perfect example of why you don't just have an agreement by word of mouth. He's such a dick. Yeaah. Like he's just such a dick.


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[Assistant] Because he's such a fuckboy. He really is. He loves it.


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[Assistant] What? On the street. I wonder, so did-


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[Assistant] Anybody that says don't be afraid of me for out of the blue no reason, I'm afraid of.


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[Assistant] It's like when people say like, I don't bite, I'm like, yeah, I figured, cause we're all humans here. Yeah, exactly.


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[Assistant] Clara has a son with him, George. Robert. Robert.


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[Assistant] Those medical colleges must have been haunted as fuck. Like what the fuck.


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[Assistant] Hey Prime members, you can listen to Morbid early and ad free on Amazon Music. Download the app today.


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[Assistant] We do it in the morning, we do it at night, we do it in the afternoon, and sometimes we do it at night night. It's like night but different, and later.


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[Assistant] It's actually 333, which is my good luck time. Oh, look at that. I know. Oh man. An angel number. I saw 222 and I saw 333 today. Ooh, I keep seeing 444s in my life. Yeah, you love 444. Um, I already told you this, so it won't be new to you, but I saw this TikTok guys and it was saying, it was like,


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[Assistant] You're at like a change in your life. And I almost scrolled past, but then I said, I'm woo. Let me hear it. I'm woo. I'm woo. Tell me about it.


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[Assistant] It said, you're gonna start seeing repeating numbers. I said, check, I see angel numbers all the time. Even like, not even times, but like addresses, like I'll drive past a house and I'm like, oh shit, 555. Look at that. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And then when you go, and it said that, and I was like, okay, I already do that. Literally every night I wake up at three.


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[Assistant] But I, I'm at a spiritual awakening in my life, so that's fun. That is fun. Yeah, but you know, oh my god, do you know what we get to do? I think it's two weeks from this week.


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[Assistant] I think you guys should come see us at the Boston show, hang out with us and see Spencer and Madison put on the glorious show of ever. Be the beautiful goddesses that they are. Be supportive geofs. Hell yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're some of my favorites. So yeah, we'll put the link to their, uhm, all their upcoming shows and then where you can buy tickets.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say it feels like so much more than that because he's just attacking everybody left and right like a big giant asshole.


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[Assistant] Okay, first of all, I know that all you detectives have Playboy under your bed, so I don't know what your issue is with nude models. And second of all, you're all going to strip clubs, so what's your problem?


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[Assistant] But then at the same time it's not the perfect way because you can't keep up with that for too long.


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[Assistant] Like if somebody gives you the creeps, why would you ever sic them on another woman- on another woman? Yeah, that bummed me.


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[Assistant] It's like what we always point to like in the Bundy case when he like lose, like he's cool, calm, and collected in court and then loses it.


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[Assistant] No, they're really not graphic, but they are so graphic all at the same time. They're emotionally graphic. I saw Elena looking at an article and I was like, are those their real photos? And she was like, unfortunately, yeah.


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[Assistant] Don't know her. I, like, don't have a connection to her other than this case. I shouldn't see that. Like, that's not for my eyes.


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[Assistant] Weird psychology that we just don't even know about when it comes to people killing people. Yeah. Especially serial killers that I think. It could be anything. Exactly.


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[Assistant] I also don't necessarily think that's true. I think he maybe discovered that along the way, but I think no matter what, the rope would have been involved somehow because it had been involved since he was three years old.


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[Assistant] Don't say anything, because that is so disrespectful to anyone who was related to one of those women who were viciously attacked.


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[Assistant] Because in some sense he is sick. And if you want to just like sit around and say that to yourself to get by and make the days go on, by all means. But don't put that into the public where it's gonna be like eaten up and-


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[Assistant] That's the thing because even like the first one in California, he did seem to know what he was doing and he did seem to have confidence.


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[Assistant] I feel like I need something like spooky after that. I know. Ugh.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got a rough one for ya. So stay tuned! I like a sad one. It's a very different murder case. My next, my next case. That's unfortunate. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know? Yeah. But uhm, yeah, so we hope that you keep listening and you'll hear all of that. And we hope you keep.


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[Assistant] Weird, but not so weird that you say that you hope that someone didn't get hit by a car if you know full well that you hit them with your car and also don't kill people. Bye.


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[Assistant] Two cops quit their jobs at a local theater because of encounters with an alleged demon. An isolated forest in Canada where people keep turning up headless.


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[Assistant] These are just a few of the unbelievable stories you'll hear on the Mr. Ballin podcast on Amazon Music.


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[Assistant] Each week, you'll hear about inexplicable encounters, shocking disappearances, and other strange, dark, and mysterious stories. And they are all true. Like the case of Hailey Zaga. She disappeared on a hiking trail for 51 hours, and when she was found again, she said a friend helped her survive.


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[Assistant] Hey Prime members, listen to the Amazon music exclusive podcast, Mr. Ballin podcast, strange, dark and mysterious stories in the Amazon music app. Download the app today.


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[Assistant] But here's your treat, this is our treat, it's everyone's treat, it's just a treat. Treat. Treat. Say treat again. Treat.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's a listener tale and I feel like it's been a hot second.


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[Assistant] I know, I'm like so excited, we haven't done them for a month. I know, I miss doing them more often, but you know, that's the way the cookie crumbles. And here we are, we're doing one, so today we're going to be doing a theme. It's dreams and astral projections.


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[Assistant] Remember when I told you guys that I asked people in my dream what day it was and everybody got real mad at me and it was real weird? Well, some of you have also had similar experiences with lucid dreaming and I am so fascinated with dreams and lucid dreaming.


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[Assistant] I feel like there's something more to it that we can't understand.


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[Assistant] Although I think he would be a great stand-up comic because he has a great voice for it. He does. Y'all love his voice. It's true, I do too.


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[Assistant] That's why you married him. I love hearing it. Voice. That's it. That's the only reason. Face, voice, vibes. Just his voice. His face is great too, but like his voice? A plus. Primo. A plus. Chef's piece. So I'm gonna do the first one. Fine. And this first one is called Wow. I'm just kidding. Wow.


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[Assistant] Toxic. I'm bullying you. Stop bullying me. So this first one is entitled, Me and My Kid Had the Same Nightmare and Lucid Dreaming Glitch in the Matrix.


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[Assistant] So this one says PDF attached. Old school smiley emoji. I love that. And I totally forgot to say my name, but it's Molly. LOL. It's fine to use. Thank you, Molly.


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[Assistant] I wrote this one time with just the glitch part, but at the time I was pretty new to the listener tale portion of the pod. For some reason I really slept on the listener tales at first. A lot of people did.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And that's okay. It's alright. Because you all came and you all said, wow, I slept on that. A lot of people like to sleep on the listener tales. It's true. You know? But now that I've come to the light, I'm resubmitting with Time's New Roman Size 14 Double Space PDF for your eyeballs viewing pleasure. Atta girl. Look at you Wally.


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[Assistant] Holy shit. That's on another level. I can't imagine, I'm so sorry.


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[Assistant] I couldn't really stomach true crime death related things or 911 calls, which was just not like myself as a tried and true, true crime junkie. I don't blame you at all. No, I don't either. And to be honest, I still don't like 911 calls. That's why we honestly, we don't really, we never put the audio to them because I think that's a really


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[Assistant] Vulnerable time in someone's life is making a 911 call. It's one of the worst things you'll ever have to do. And even like transcripts of them every once in a while we'll talk about, but they bum me out. It's sad. Cause it really is. You're looking at the worst moment of someone's life. So I got that. Your pod helped me get my feet wet after he died.


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[Assistant] It helped me in getting me to feel more like myself after the hardest thing I ever went through.


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[Assistant] More recently I was diagnosed with this ultra rare Pokemon of a metabolic genetic thing called CPT2.


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[Assistant] And it sounds like you have a kid, and that's a whole other set of stressors and like, busyness, you know? Essentially, Molly, we think you're the baddest bitch. Essentially, Molly.


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[Assistant] The baddest bitch. Here's your card. TM. Anyway, enough about my trash pile. We all got one. Let's give the people the weird shit they came here for.


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[Assistant] Recently I caught the listener tale where y'all were talking about lucid dreaming by accident and I remembered that you said to ask the people in your dream the date and time in your dream if you do lucid dream by accident and to report back.


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[Assistant] Well, flash forward to January 10th, 2023 in the year of our lot. That's Drew's birthday. I love that. In the year of our lot. Lot.


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[Assistant] I had a dream and I, that's how I know you're our people.


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[Assistant] Like just the way you talk. I had a dream and I actually lucid dreamed, which I typically don't do, but I guess I was doing so because hey-o, I had a kidney infection that had me waking up four times a night to pee and was disrupting you girls' rhythm in a big way. Kidney infections are the fucking worst.


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[Assistant] Perfect storm for lucid dreaming, zero out of ten. Do not recommend trying at home. So for additional context before I actually get into this dream, I feel like it's important to note that I have a desk job.


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[Assistant] I was held there for over two years in Wyoming and it was all around, it was, it was all around an awful time filled with abuse and physical punishments. That's awful.


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[Assistant] I've healed that part of my life and haven't had nightmares about it in a couple of years. This happened over a decade ago. You truly are like a badass. You are. To get through all you have. That's why we crowned you. Side note.


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[Assistant] But I was, and I am a new employee at this daycare, but I recognize some of the faces there. No one's significant, but the one that stands out is just some random girl I worked with two years ago who smelled of cat pee and had clickety clackety nails and a Jack Skellington backpack slash purse for every occasion, formal or otherwise.


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[Assistant] I got outside the daycare and looked around and said to the people nearby me, what's the date and time?


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[Assistant] The people stopped in their tracks and were like, why do you need to know?


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[Assistant] Loud enough for the other people already at their cars to hear me. Does anyone have the date and time? And everyone stopped in their tracks and walked back to me slowly like freaking zombies or bots or some other third thing that is spooky dooky and undesirable. I looked around again and repeated at a normal volume. What is the date and time? At that point the person I used to work with looked at me.


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[Assistant] And their neck and head twitched to the right like a malfunctioning robot and said,


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[Assistant] I just challenged firmly, why won't anyone tell me the date and time?


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[Assistant] One of the employees looked at a clipboard and said, it's on the list.


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[Assistant] And another person looked at me and said, she's not on the list.


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[Assistant] But the response was too strange. It was too strange for-


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[Assistant] If you thought that was weird, hold on to your butt cheeks sisters, it gets weirder. Holden. For context on this second story about my weird ass dream encounters, this happened a couple of months after my husband passed away.


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[Assistant] He passed in the bed in our home, so I had moved a new bed into the living room so I couldn't, because I couldn't bring myself to go into the bedroom.


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[Assistant] My girls were sleeping in their bedroom again at this point, and it was a catty corner to the doorless bedroom that was not in fact a bedroom.


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[Assistant] Additional context, I have no bigger fear than snakes. When I was in Wyoming I was almost bitten by more rattlesnakes than I can count.


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[Assistant] I live in Florida and have walked outside to find snakes sunbathing before and have noped all the way back in my home and jumped onto the kitchen table behind a closed door with the snake outside for safety. This is not a, she is not a Slytherin. Me is she.


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[Assistant] Ireland? Oh, I love that. That is a beautiful name. The way you spell it is really cool. Ireland. I love that. Ooh, that's really pretty. Then four, standing in front of me. We seem to be in some type of dense, jungly garden.


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[Assistant] Now, I'm a spiritual person. I've had many instances of premonitions or encounters with spirit, especially my hubs who still hangs around for chats.


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[Assistant] And a joke every now and then. When a dream is significant, I feel like it just hits different, and this one hit different. I know exactly what you mean, like you can't really describe it, but it does. It's got a different vibe to it.


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[Assistant] No sooner than I sat up in bed and began to process, I heard the pitter patter of tiny feet running through my gaping door hole and pouncing onto my bed.


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[Assistant] Ireland said I had a nightmare and crawled under my covers.


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[Assistant] We cranked Struggle Busy a few times and proceeded with school drop-offs, work, school pickups, returning back to our house. We didn't speak of the night before or our nightmares, we just went about our day.


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[Assistant] As I was cooking dinner, Ireland said to me I had a nightmare last night.


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[Assistant] I hugged her and said, oh no, what happened with the snake?


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[Assistant] I still have no idea what this dream means. It feels super significant, but I have no idea what to make about it, and I think about it often.


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[Assistant] I don't even know how to effectively segue here other than saying thank you so much for reading this. If it makes it on the pod, I will cuck out my pantaloons.


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[Assistant] Love you guys and thanks for brightening my day. Thank you for brightening our day. Oh, and here's a follow up shameless plug. Y'all inspired me to start a podcast with my best friend Toby.


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[Assistant] We are pre-recording now and can be found on Facebook and Instagram. We are called Don't Tell My Therapist podcast. Oh my god. And are in the recording stages, but we are about to drop our first episode, which will talk about Robert, the world's most haunted doll.


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[Assistant] And Carl Tanzler, the doctor who mummified his patient and kept her in his bed for seven years. There you go! So keep it weird, but not so weird that...


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[Assistant] Also, I just have to put this out here because you provided us with some photos. One, the cover art for your podcast is magnifique. I, I would listen to that.


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[Assistant] Without knowing anything about it, that cover art is elite. I love that cover art.


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[Assistant] Your husband, you're, and I love your calling him the OG Hubs. Oh my god. OG Hubs. And he does, it looks like an angelic vinyl album cover, you and your hubs. It does. And then you said that you're chapter two John, you took advice and found a quality good John. Stop it. Oh my god. Like you are hilarious. You guys are adorable. Wow. I'm just like,


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[Assistant] You did, you must have done something that you didn't know you did. Yeaah. Like to save you and your girls from somebody.


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[Assistant] There you go. I think that's what it is, ma'am. So take a look and also- Take a look, Queen Molly. I'm excited to listen to Don't Tell My Therapist podcast because holy shit. I know, let me see, I'm wondering if it has come out yet.


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[Assistant] No, we're waiting with bated breath. Put it on your to be listened. Come on, Molly and Toby, let's do this.


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[Assistant] Best cover art ever. Oops, oops, oops, exactly.


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[Assistant] What all that kind of shit is. Like I just need someone to be like, yep, it's a simulation everybody. But they won't. But no one will tell us. They will never tell us. No one will tell us. It's scary. And it bums me out. I don't like it. Oy.


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[Assistant] That's coming up on a record time for my obsessions. If you're wondering what currently holds the record, it's Hamilton! Ooh! Same!


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[Assistant] I posted this on Reddit on our glitch in the Matrix some years ago, it's like a Reddit thread.


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[Assistant] This is going to sound like a load of crock shit, but I swear up and down that this actually happened. About four years ago, closer to ten now if you're reading this in 2023.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was tucked away on a back road with the wood surrounding it.


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[Assistant] Every now and then, I like to take walks with my little brother, who at the time was about 13. We decided to just, to do just that. We headed up the road and decided to try a new path or a new clearing that we hadn't discovered yet.


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[Assistant] When we noticed something a little shocking, just off the road that led almost directly to the neighborhood, there was a brand new paved road. No there wasn't. Every road in that part of town was gravel road. So seeing an out of place paved road was pretty unusual.


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[Assistant] We stared at it for a while and came to the conclusion that it must have been made within the last few days due to the modern but slow growth of the town. However, we had no explanation for how they did it so fast. We decided to explore it a bit.


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[Assistant] I remember as soon as we set foot on the road, the air became notably colder by at least five degrees.


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[Assistant] The road itself was a black pavement, but no dividing lines. It was surrounded by some thick red trees that resembled redwoods, but they were too short and non-native to our state, southern Arkansas.


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[Assistant] We walked on the road for about three miles until we decided to head back due to it getting dark.


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[Assistant] When we got off the road, we felt the temperature go back up. My brother and I agreed to explore it the next day.


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[Assistant] Also, my brother ever so kindly reminded me that I left off a key detail when I posted this on Reddit some years ago. As we were headed back, something, kind of odd, ran across the road.


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[Assistant] It stopped maybe 80 feet in front of us, and at first glance it looked like a deer, but after a moment, we realized it was something else. Was it a not deer? A not deer! It had short, dark, very, or excuse me.


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[Assistant] It had short, dark, far, very large black eyes and a mouth that looked, for lack of a better description, too human for comfort.


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[Assistant] We had lived in the area for some time at that point and thought we were familiar with the wildlife, but we had never seen anything like that then or since then.


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[Assistant] With no sign of the redwood-like trees. We even began to explore the woods once more, but only to find no sign that it had ever existed.


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[Assistant] I've searched and searched for this place, as has my brother. We even went as far as finding some older maps of the area, but nothing listed any road there.


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[Assistant] We did, however, ask some of the long timers of the town and one gentleman that we'll call Mr. A.


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[Assistant] Said he thought he remembered finding a same or similar road as a boy in that area.


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[Assistant] But said he didn't think too much about it as it was many, many years back for him.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I'm stumped. I don't even live in that state anymore, nor does my brother, but we've talked about going back home at some point to see if we can track it down once more. Maybe in the era of smartphones, we can actually get some photographic evidence.


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[Assistant] Thanks for taking the time to read this. If y'all ever get, if y'all are ever in the greater Atlanta area, area where my wife and I now reside, hit us up and we can tell you where to go that will probably, that you probably won't have a stolen organ.


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[Assistant] That is so weird. It's absolutely terrifying. These are the kind of things that just like stump me.


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[Assistant] You could have had no way of knowing that.


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[Assistant] Seriously, and the fact also that you made most of that hilarious up until that point, like you...


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[Assistant] Completely prepared everybody, with like, who you are. You're a true queen. So, we-


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[Assistant] But damn, Bridget, that was like beautifully told. You and Gavin are beautiful together. That picture is like...


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[Assistant] Ugh, I just like, break my heart. I love you both. Ugh, I wanna give you a hug. I do too.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's see, there's a few here, so I'm gonna seeeee. Which one do you think I should do? Let's see here. Uhm.


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[Assistant] Alright, hold on, you're going to have to vamp for a second.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's it. And it says, you don't have to search. Feel free to use my name. Check the attached petifa. Check it. For an eye friendly version of the story.


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[Assistant] Alright, it says hello. I attempted to write, oh wait, who's this person?


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[Assistant] AKA a little too dark, a little too bitter, and it's pretty easy to get peer pressured into saying you like it. Anywhos.


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[Assistant] And our early and mid-twenties and nothing. I mean nothing.


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[Assistant] Sometimes there is such a thing as shameful self-promotion, but our cast is called Nothing Scarier, and it would be just feel amazing to know that y'all know it exists. It's called Nothing Scarier.


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[Assistant] Courtney shared y'all's podcast with me and dammit if I didn't jump in with two feet and nary a K in the world for what diving into the bottom of more than 300 episodes of true crime consumed at breakneck speed could do to a person.


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[Assistant] You are correct. Thank you so much for all that you do, including delivering stories with a victim first mindset and bringing so much light and dignity to very often horrible and heartbreaking situations. Thank you so much. Thank you. If y'all end up reading this on the cast, I might not shit myself, but I will have a full on existential crisis in the best way possible. As an air sign should.


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[Assistant] So dear listeners, if you see a thirty-something year old average-looking chick millennial completely disassociating while shopping with headphones in, it might just be me experiencing an out-of-body moment in a cereal aisle.


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[Assistant] I'll start breathing again in like five minutes, don't worry. Only one headphone in when you're shopping. That's right. I was listening to one of your most recent listener episodes and someone called out for other dimension stories. Specifically, they mentioned someone retelling the story of them getting trapped in a dream for a lifetime.


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[Assistant] When I heard this I thought, oh, I have one of those. What? So hang tight and don't let the bedbugs bite as I tell you why I might be the subject of a true crime story in another dimension.


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[Assistant] Even since I was, ever since I was very little, I've always had a tense relationship with sleep. My family has told me one of, and you know what, I feel like I should update everyone on this because people were like, how is it going? My youngest sleeps now. It's crazy. It's awesome. Her temperament.


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[Assistant] Totally different. So she sleeps now, she decided that she was over that whole thing, and uh, we were over it in the beginning, so I'm glad that she joined us. Ready? Join me. But thank you guys, there you go.


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[Assistant] Knock on that motherfucking wood. So thank you guys for asking because people have been like, how's that going? Are you all right? Yeah. So I appreciate you guys. Well. But now you have puppies that don't sleep. I do. Now I have those, but you know, we've been conditioned for it. And they fuzzy. They fuzzy.


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[Assistant] My family has told me one of the only ways to get me to sleep was when, when I was a wee baby, was to allow me to lay on my dad's chest for a while and listen to his heartbeat to fall asleep.


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[Assistant] Wow, I've never related to a sentence more. That's adorable. By itself, not being able to fall asleep without comfort as a kid isn't that odd, but as I grew up, sleep and I would still not find the right pattern for our relationship.


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[Assistant] As a kid, I was a night owl. Sleep just felt lucky if I was attempt, it was attempted before 2 AM. Oh, sorry. Felt yucky.


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[Assistant] I was around four or five when I started sleepwalking for the first time.


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[Assistant] I can half remember one of the very first dream bleeds I had as a kid. I call them dream bleeds because while this one was scary, they aren't always scary. Sometimes my dreams just leak out and show up in the real world.


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[Assistant] And the first, I love how casual that is, they just leak out. You know, just a dream bleed. And the first dream bleed I can recall, I had woken up and found that all my stuffed animals were staring at me. Hate that. Every single one in the toy box peeking up at me, every toy on the floor rotated to have its little face pointing at me, even my chosen bedtime companion, a Care Bear, they were all staring at me.


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[Assistant] Now I was fourish when this happened, so I don't remember much more than the eyes and the fear at this point. Oh my god. But at some point the eyes started blinking, and my underdeveloped, and my undeveloped brain screamed, RUN FOR IT! I bolted out of the bedroom, fish-flopped like a salmon running a river over the baby gate covering the entrance to our room, and ran for my parents.


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[Assistant] Even as they sent me back to bed, I remember the eyes of my stuffed animals still following me.


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[Assistant] That's a terrifying Dream Bleed. I don't like it. We moved to a new- I also love the term Dream Bleed and I think it's a great band name. Hello Cleveland! We are Dream Bleed! Can we call it? Or is it yours?


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[Assistant] We moved to a new home when I was five-ish and it was here with the dreams of, that the dreams of my village would start happening.


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[Assistant] Another evening when I decided I needed to go outside and catch the buttons. Whatever they were.


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[Assistant] Honestly, nothing at this point really seems strange or unique. I was a kid with a shit sleep pattern while my brain was developing. The rational side of me is very aware that there isn't a lot of facts or measurables to pin the idea of me floating off to another dimension on. However, I'm not sure what else this could be called.


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[Assistant] When I was six or seven in elementary school, but not the upper level yet, I started dreaming about my village. In my village, I was me internally, my internal monologue, my thoughts and feelings and wishes. But on the outside, I looked a little different. Whenever I went to my village, I would be lucid dreaming.


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[Assistant] Although it's six or seven, I didn't know what that was called. It felt like I would go to sleep and wake up at a different place and time. My first visit to the village was scary. I felt like...


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[Assistant] That's weird. I looked like I was a relative of non dream me, but my features were all different.


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[Assistant] Especially during late night trips, bathroom trips. No light means no mirror and chance to see my other face. Old habits die hard, I guess.


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[Assistant] Side note, I needed to take a break here for a minute because honestly I miss my village and my friends there, and I didn't realize that it would make me this homesick to write about my village. But that's not very tough, rational, totally chill boss babe of me, so let's get back to it.


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[Assistant] Over the years, from six-ish until I was in my mid-twenties, most often, is most often when I dreamt I would go to my village.


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[Assistant] I would still have regular dreams, but from 6 on in my life, I very rarely have a dream where I'm not aware I am dreaming. I can choose, pretty easily, to take control of my dreams if I want to. And don't frequently, because as an adult, I've learned that this is what triggers night terrors and dream breathing. Please.


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[Assistant] I knew my house there which I shared with other visitors. Whoa.


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[Assistant] I was always around the same age I was in real life, and typically had the same ideas I would in the real world. That is, nonviolent ones or ideas of theft or destruction. Glad to hear it.


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[Assistant] One time in my village I stole something from someone's house. Not glad to hear that. Being that I was aware I was dreaming, a visitor and a teenager at the time, I didn't think anything would come of it.


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[Assistant] That was until the sheriff rolled up and took me to the station.


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[Assistant] Turns out, it all goes wrong pretty spectacularly with a lot of blood.


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[Assistant] Some time served, and what I think was my execution. Oh my god. I should say here, for the sake again of trying to be rational, I have a very active imagination, a constant monologue, a touch of mental health issues, and if you believe my For You page, probably some neuro spicy symptoms. This is very relatable. You know what? Same. I think you're just an air sign.


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[Assistant] And a number of other consequences for the reckless behavior one can develop as they grow up in a world as steady as a house of cards during an earthquake.


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[Assistant] It's very possible that just like a dream bleed, I had a reality bleed back into my village dimension, bringing with it some of the issues I was dealing with back into the ma- back in the main timeline. I certainly hope so, because I don't think I committed the crime they found me guilty of. Holy shit.


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[Assistant] One visit to my village in my early twenties, everything would change. I woke up, quote unquote, in my room, in the cabin at the top of the northernmost hill in the valley. My village room was covered in plants and had far too many windows for someone who typically slept in well past sunrise.


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[Assistant] It was beautiful though, and the bed was comfortable. Waking up in the village is really the only time I can remember waking up feeling rested.


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[Assistant] As a reminder, when I was in the village, I could feel everything like I do when I was in the real world. I could hold my breath, swimming with friends in the nearby river, gravity applied, and I could feel my feet hitting the earth.


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[Assistant] Oh my goodness. I apologize. Crazy girl. I wanted to show everybody my pinhead text tone.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, on this particular day I put on my brown hiking boots and walked out my bedroom door in a hurry.


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[Assistant] When I got to the hall, there were, there were, and there weren't any other visitors there, which was a little odd, but wasn't any cause for concern. I walked down the flight of stairs that led right to the front door and out into the day.


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[Assistant] Everything was silent. No birds, no people walking on the street, no bugs in the air, no one mowing the lawn, nothing. I remember feeling very, very unsettled. I'd been scared in the village before, but nothing like this.


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[Assistant] I decided to go to the neighbors house to see if they were home. I wish I would have gone back to my village room and watered my plants. Maybe then I'd still be allowed back. Oh my god. I want to my, this is just like fascinating to me.


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[Assistant] I went to my neighbor's house. A lovely woman and her husband lived there with their dogs. I never remember exactly how many.


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[Assistant] The door was unlocked and I was very, and I very stupidly let myself in.


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[Assistant] When I walked into the house, all was similarly silent as the world was outside. My fear grew, but with it, something different.


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[Assistant] Now, like I said, when I was here, my feelings were my feelings. I controlled my actions. It was me.


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[Assistant] But just then, walking into the silent house of my kind neighbors who had been there since I first visited as a child, I felt rage. Rage like I had not felt before in my real life or in my village life. It was compelling and soon I felt like it was controlling me.


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[Assistant] I walked into the living room and saw everything that had been splattered in blood.


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[Assistant] The rage I had been feeling took over them. It was my body and my village and I was no longer in control.


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[Assistant] I started smashing photos on the walls, turning over furniture, throwing things out of cabinets. I remember running up the stairs and in and out of the bedrooms, covering any mirrors with whatever I could find before destroying the rest of the rooms.


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[Assistant] A few things to note here. I never, and very thankfully saw the bodies of my dream neighbors. Just blood. And I had never before this visit not been in control of my dream body here at the village. Never.


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[Assistant] After the destruction of the house, a number of villagers arrived at the front door. I'm not sure how they got there or how everyone knew to come, but they were there. And suddenly, I was in control again.


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[Assistant] Fear took over and I bolted into the woods. I felt like I was running for my life, which was silly because I knew I was dreaming, right?


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[Assistant] Eventually the villagers caught me and arrested me for the absolutely heinous murder of my friendly dream neighbors.


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[Assistant] This story is already very long, but in the interest of brevity, I'll jump to the last time I remember going to the village, which was now really my cell. I woke up.


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[Assistant] This time in prison, I'd been convicted while I was in the real world it seemed. I sat up over the side of my uncomfortable bed and looked around the room.


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[Assistant] No one knows at all here in the prison, but they did give me a paper and a pen to write with. I was doodling, thinking about what I had to do in the real main world at work tomorrow when the sheriff came in.


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[Assistant] He sat down and told me my last appeal didn't go through, that I would be executed the next day and that he wanted to come down to talk to me about it. As a reminder, I'd been visiting the village as a prisoner for years now and had several times been told there was nothing they could do. If I was guilty, the price was execution.


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[Assistant] At this point in my life, sadly, my other dimension dream village had become a really boring way to pass my sleeping hours. I had lucidity but no freedom.


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[Assistant] I'd been found unseen as a visitor. I had no alibi and there were no other visitors at that time. The case was open and shut. The rules was, the rules as I was warned years before would be enforced one way or another.


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[Assistant] I told Sheriff that I would miss him and the village. I told him about the controlling rage and he nodded as if this had happened to others before.


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[Assistant] I woke up to my alarm for work before I got to say a proper goodbye, but I made sure the sheriff knew I knew it wasn't his fault I might not be back. And I never got to go back.


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[Assistant] I have memories of the village, of my neighbors, my plants, and my adventures. I wonder sometimes if I'll ever run into another visitor to my village in the real world. Not sure how they would recognize me, but I like to think we could prove to one another that this place exists. Maybe I shouldn't call this world the real world though, because the village was very real to me.


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[Assistant] This would be just the one I'm tethered to and would come back to. I like the life I've built here too, but man do I miss my village.


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[Assistant] Nowadays I choose to not take control of my dreams. If I ever have a dream bleed, my safety net is asking my husband if I'm awake or not. Thankfully he never uses this vulnerability to mess with me and quickly lets me know if I'm in the real world or still dreaming.


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[Assistant] There are many, many ways to write off my experience as a dream world escape and truly not another dimension.


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[Assistant] I entertain this and some of the other theories that have cropped up to explain my village to me over the years. As much as I entertain possibilities, my heart knows that this place exists out there.


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[Assistant] I feel homesick for my village and my friends there and wish deeply that I could find a way to clear Dream Me's name or bring me back to life on that side. But hopefully, if a true crime podcast exists in the village now, my case can at least be a tantalizing story of a possible wrong conviction.


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[Assistant] Or used to warn visitors to go back to their room if they arrive in the village to a strange silence.


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[Assistant] I hope the fate of my dream meet, I hope the fate of dream me at the village is a hotly contested controversy that the village folks still chat about to this day. I hope the sheriff that warned me never feel, felt guilt about the outcome and that my, any family of my dream neighbors feel they did get justice if it means they'll be at peace.


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[Assistant] Lastly, I hope you've enjoyed my story, and if you ever find yourself waking up in a small village in a beautiful valley, you take a walk up the northernmost hill to the large cabin on top. While you're there, please water my plants for me. I don't think they've had a drink in a while. Sending love, Kayla.


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[Assistant] That was... I just got full chills. Absolutely captivating.


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[Assistant] I'm not kidding, Kayla. Write a book. Write a book.


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[Assistant] And when you just ended that with if you ever wake up in a small village, in a valley, walk up the northernmost hill to a small little cottage. Nope, nope, it's large. A large cottage, excuse me.


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[Assistant] You water those fucking plants? Cause I don't think they've had a drink in a while.


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[Assistant] Beyond words. Like that is the most haunting shit I've ever heard. I believe your village exists. It does.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Fuck, like a village. It's like that game Second Life.


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[Assistant] It's like literally, I only know of it because uhm, they had like an office plot line about it, but it's like a real game called Second Life, and it's like basically Sims kind of thing. But you make like a whole life, and it's like that's what your village was. That is what your village was.


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[Assistant] In Season 3 of the hit true crime podcast, Cold, I, Dave Cauley, investigate the disappearance of a young mother, Cherie Warren. We'll try to find out if either of the two men in her life, both with abusive pasts, were responsible for her death. Listen to Cold, The Search for Cherie, on Amazon Music or wherever you get your podcasts.


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[Assistant] And you know what, I think it's like, this is morbid, but we, we crawled to the finish line the last couple of weeks, man. It has been.


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[Assistant] And I want to know like what deity we pissed off. Yeah, something, something's awry. We're going to have to cleanse a lot of energy out of here because


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[Assistant] We don't really sound, you know, as smooth as we have been. That's because we're recording remotely. Because Ash is still down with the rona.


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[Assistant] Ready to record in person, like I'm done with Rona. I'm also just ready to like walk out of my fucking house. I was gonna say just get out of the house, probably.


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[Assistant] So we got the Rona, which, you know, we don't love recording remotely. In fact, all my fellow podcasters who do that like on the reg, I give you a lot of props because it's hard. It's not really enjoyable. It's hard.


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[Assistant] I'm supposed to work in my bedroom. And I'm just in the pod lab alone.


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[Assistant] But it's been a weird couple weeks because after, so we were dealing with that, we were just trying to get the schedule down, you know, you guys got a fun John episode because, you know, at first Ash was like super sick, like this wasn't like a,


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[Assistant] Oh my God, cause I was in bed for four days. Yeah, I knew it. Yeah. I could tell that you were super sick and that's, we just, it wasn't going to happen even remotely. I wasn't going to ask her to, to sit for an episode. That would have been insane. So luckily John.


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[Assistant] Get out of my seat, John. Get out of my seat. That's my chair. That's my creaky chair. He did say at the end, he was like, you know what, Ash, you gotta come back, cause...


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[Assistant] This is nice. This was his one and done. He's gonna come back. We'll make him do another one.


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[Assistant] But I think he was helpful with that. Like thank goodness he stepped in so that was able to happen. It was fun. It was like a fun little different thing to do.


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[Assistant] Like a couple, it was a day, I don't know what day it is anymore, I don't know what time it is, it's a flat circle, but.


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[Assistant] Very shortly after that, uh, one of my daughters, my youngest one, had a seizure out of nowhere, and it was the scariest thing that has ever happened to me.


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[Assistant] In my entire life. Uhm, so that threw things off a little bit because it was also around the same thing that was happening at the same time was my twins had their dance recital.


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[Assistant] Which I know it's like, oh, it's a dance recital, but it's like, they've been working really hard, like all season for it. They were so excited about it. So we were trying to make sure that we made that super normal for them, kept that going while also dealing with, you know, what had happened.


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[Assistant] I mean, we're so lucky because my mother-in-law lives with us. So it was a huge help because as soon as it happened, it happened really fast, like.


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[Assistant] But John, I called 911, John called his mom, like on the cell, cause we were upstairs and she was in another part of the house and was like, you gotta come help. She ran over and she was able to stay with the twins while we were able to go to the hospital. So it's like, I was trying to sit there and be like,


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[Assistant] Let's look at the positive, she's okay. Like they told me there's no damage and that they don't think it's like an epileptic disorder, but like we'll keep an eye on her, but.


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[Assistant] I was trying to think of all like the positives cause I was like, okay, it's been a really shitty couple of weeks. And if I just focus on how terrible this is, it's going to like break me. So I was like, I have to think, you know, I'm very lucky that my mother-in-law lives with us and that I can like, she's right there. So she was able to watch the girls. Like I'm lucky she's not.


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[Assistant] You know, did, did witchy things to like, you know, like made offerings and stuff to like, it was just, everybody was so sweet and we really appreciated it. And I just wanted to tell you guys that, that like, thank you for being so awesome and understanding that this was something that just like nothing else mattered at the moment. Not at all.


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[Assistant] Even like being away, like put it into perspective for me. Like I was, oh my God, no, like I need to be there. It just makes you think like, cause immediate like thank goodness she was okay. And that's all I could think of was like, okay.


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[Assistant] Yeah, thanks again for being so patient and so nice and kind about it. We appreciate it. You guys are rock stars. You truly are.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, that was the super duper fun week we had, but guess what, doesn't matter because here we are and it's time to record another Morbidampo Show! Let's go! Well, today we are going to be talking about the case of Savannah LaFontaine Greywind.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is a case of like kidnapping and a very intricate way of going about it and there's a lot of mention about domestic abuse as well. So, just be aware of that. Okay.


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[Assistant] And obviously I had to dive into that because you know who I am. Of course.


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[Assistant] Now this family was an indigenous family and in most sources you'll see that they're from the Spirit Lake, uh, Sioux tribe but Norbetta, Savannah's mother, actually belonged to the Turtle Mountain tribe. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] From what I've read, it's actually not super common from people or for people from different tribes to marry. So I was, I kind of looked into that a little bit, but everything I read said it's not common. So I would be interested to hear if we have any Native American listeners or indigenous listeners that want to elaborate on that. Cause it was something I was interested in, but couldn't find a lot of information on. That's really interesting. I didn't know that. I didn't even know that was a thing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but because we're focusing on Savannah, I did want to talk a little bit more about the tribe that she was a part of, which again is the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe. Okay. Now this tribe actually used to be known as the Devil's Lake Sioux Tribe.


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[Assistant] And they've actually changed their names a couple of times, but in the early 90s, they officially changed it to Spirit Lake Sue.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and when the tribe name was changed, so was the name of the reservation that they lived on. Originally it had been known as Fort Totten Indian Reservation, but now it's simply known as the lakes, the Spirit Lake Sioux Reservation.


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[Assistant] Okay. Now, you might be saying, Alina, why did they change the name from Devil's Lake? That sounds so rad. It sounds very metal, but I was like, you know what, what is the newer name?


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[Assistant] The new name is the Spirit Lake Sioux. That sounds so soothing. It does. Like it just, it immediately makes, it's like peaceful sounding.


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[Assistant] It is, I agree with you. Well, and there was like an actual reason for it too because


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[Assistant] Basically, the people who belong to this tribe, they actually don't think that Devil's Lake should be called Devil's Lake. Oh. And actually, I don't think the devil is really a part of Native American culture at all. Like, it's not like Catholicism or anything like that where there's like a, a devil. Yeah. Like, character kind of thing.