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[Assistant] You started to focus on the final 10 laps, or 10 minutes, uh, of the race when you were practicing that week. You weren't doing sprint laps, you were just completely focused on the last 10 minutes.


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[Assistant] Made you be so dominant the last five rounds of the, uh, of the series because you were spot on basically from, from Atlanta. What, what was that? What was that change? Like, how did you go from this to just absolutely crushing it?


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[Assistant] It probably is frustrating. Like dude, it took me two years to win my first or no, I won it on the, on the third year and it was so frustrating. I could, I could.


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[Assistant] I think that I was in the same boat as you were. You're just like, you're doing everything at home and then you go to the race and everything's good and then something stupid happens. And to your point, yea, like a lot of your crashes were so like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was perplexed because you weren't, you weren't like overriding the bike.


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[Assistant] You know, it's just like, where did that come from? Even like, I go back to Tampa, but nevertheless, I think you should be proud and I want everyone to be proud of you.


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[Assistant] From Atlanta, like you said, and you started to focus on the last 10 minutes of your, of the races, like during the week and when you're doing your race simulation, because you did so well,


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[Assistant] That gave you the opportunity to be in the position you were the last two weeks. And did you ever, did you ever reflect on that going into Salt Lake City this weekend and, and, and.


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[Assistant] Not, you know, like pat yourself on the back and take a moment and be proud of what you have done these last, you know, since, since Atlanta, because dude, that's, that's what kept you in it. Had you not been able to turn it around.


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[Assistant] It would have been a different, it would have been a different outcome.


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[Assistant] Yeah, do you feel like, hey, do you feel like, so in 99, uh, my rookie year and with 250 now 450 and then 2000.


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[Assistant] I mean, I never even made the podium my rookie year. And then 2000, I won Daytona and hit a couple, a couple of podiums. I think I got fifth in the series, but I feel like those problem years, those troubled years, Chase, I learned so much kind of like what you've done these last couple of years that I don't know that would you trade these last two years?


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[Assistant] For going out and winning your rookie year, or would you rather take what you've learned?


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[Assistant] These last two years and now pay it forward to like you just said.


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[Assistant] It'll help you win more championships. You think like it was a great lesson.


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[Assistant] You know, learning from your competitors. Uhm, you know, I, Kevin Windham, I learned so much from him in 1997, like,


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[Assistant] I mean, he was putting it to me, and I'm out here just like...


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[Assistant] Right in on that ragged edge and he's just so precise and perfect and it was frustrating, but I wouldn't have learned that at the practice track.


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[Assistant] Right? And then, and then let's see here, 99 and 2000, like.


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[Assistant] Racing with MC and even some of my teammates back in the day, you learn so much. It's, it's stuff that you can't learn. So the people like, I'm so glad you said that because the young kids listening to this.


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[Assistant] Podcast and, and, or watching it, that is so important. So when you're at those amateur races, learn, right? And that leads me to, to my question. So for pro motocross championship this year, do you think


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[Assistant] Everything you learned from Eli last year in that championship, which was incredible, you did fantastic. Uhm, do you think you learned more then or do you think you learned more?


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[Assistant] In the supercross championship this year, that's going to help you going in the promoter cross championship.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a hard thing to do and that's what I'm so proud of you to watch you progress and grow and turn it around, figure out what, uh,


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[Assistant] What, what you were doing and how you needed to be better. Not a lot of people can do that. So you need to be proud of yourself, dude. Be proud of yourself. Enjoy these moments. You know how hard they are.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it's, it's incredible. Never let, uh, your, your, your champion, never let anyone take anything away from your championship, dude. You earned it. You turned it around.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not many people can do that or have done it.


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[Assistant] And uhm, it's, it's well deserved. So, uh, you know, we'd like to, uh, yeaah, just congratulations on that, man.


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[Assistant] Dude, you gave, yea, our stats guy, Clinton Fowler from Fowler's Facts. Yea, you mean, you gave 35 away, but the, but your last


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think I want to say at seven races, dude, we're absolutely incredible. You never lost a position.


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[Assistant] And you, you, you earn the most points. And that is just, that's a testament to, uh,


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[Assistant] Your mental capabilities and what you're able to do and recognizing where you need to be better and only the best can do that, so.


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[Assistant] Congratulations, my man. And, and of course, uh, Ryan and I thank you for coming on Title 24. Uh, you're very special. Uh, congratulations on your first of what I'm sure will be many, uh, premier Supercross championships. Uh, you're rightfully deserved by it, my man. Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's right. Well, good luck in the Pro Motocross Championship, uh, again, Chase, and, uh, congrats on your Supercross Championship as well deserved, my friend.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be good. I think RV and you know, like, like great champions, all those things that he learned last year in the motocross championship. Like I loved how he was telling us how much he learned from Eli last year for motocross championship. That's awesome.


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[Assistant] And then going through what he learned on the mental side, like you were saying, you think that that is more pivotal than what he learned from Eli last year. I could totally agree because he's got the speed and I think he's got the race craft.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, it was so cool to see him, see him do that. And that leads us into our, uh, our, our next, our next segment, not even segment, but, uh,


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[Assistant] Going into the outdoors. Is it momentum, bike, health?


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[Assistant] What would you value? And Jim, uh, we appreciate you, uh, being a loyal listener to Title 24.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so you win the, uh, quad lock question of the week. That was perfect. Uh, when, when we knew that we were going to have Chase on and, and you just segue, this question segued in perfect to, to his combo.


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[Assistant] Uh, from my point of view, I think, I think you need all of that, right? You, you need, you need the health, you need the speed, you need the bike to win those championships. Now he is, he is the guy and I feel like with his confidence that he has gained and you guys just heard from him.


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[Assistant] I think that's really gonna help him have a leg up on the guys going into this pro motocross championship. So I look for him to be the guy. He almost won it last year.


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[Assistant] And you just have to give credit where it's due, and he is the guy to beat. He is the face of the 450 class. Despite how, how well you think Jet Lawrence is gonna do, and I'm sure he's gonna do well, probably gonna have some growing pains, but...


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[Assistant] Right, right. Well, thanks for the question, Jim, and, uh, you know, you know what to do, uh, go into our, uh,


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[Assistant] Make sure you, uh, check those out. You weren't at the race. What do you think, uh, what would you say outside of Chase's championship, uh, in the showdown?


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. He went into conservative mode for sure. Big picture, you know, he's got a big championship. He hasn't won that Pro Motocross Championship.


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[Assistant] I don't know if you got to watch all of the heat races, but I wanna, I wanna make one mention of...


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[Assistant] He's grown a lot, but this was the best that I've seen him look. And the reason that I say that, like he didn't look like he was on the edge. He looked comfortable and you could just see the growth had finally, it started to like really click for him. In my opinion, he didn't look like a rookie, uh, in that heat race.


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[Assistant] Twitchy, it was flowing good. I don't know, man. I thought, I'm like, dude, I was bummed actually, RV, when it started raining.


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[Assistant] Because I wanted, I'm like, he could have a really good chance to win this thing and it would have been epic to watch him battle for the lead, you know? It would have been. Like, oh man.


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[Assistant] That's right, it's supposed to be good. I was watching the weather beforehand and was like, oh, it's going to be good this week, you know, like, and then of course the day of the race and.


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[Assistant] Clouds are building up, but, uh, as far as, uhm, it's kind of shifting gears here.


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[Assistant] Uh, go to the 450 and great opportunity for some dudes to get some personal bests. Uh, guys like Justin Starling, he's, he's, he's pointed his way into the SMX.


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[Assistant] Uh, world championship rounds later on in September. So that'll be fun to watch that great job for some of those guys. Of course, Justin Hill. And what do you think of that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, dude, hey, and did you ever get to here you go watching some, uh, watching


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[Assistant] That's Josh. He's got his hands up and he's giving his brother, congratulating his brother on his, uh, first premiere class podium finish. So that was good. He was able to pass.


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[Assistant] Was able to, uh, to make the path. So that was cool, especially like you said for the team that team Tedder, uh, mountain motorsports, Monster Energy, KTM and, and.


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[Assistant] He, he, his bike looked really good. Like I was watching it in the corners, in the whoops. That thing looked really, really stable. So you guys.


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[Assistant] Some of Justin, when we were following him on the broadcast, his stuff looked pretty sporty, dude.


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[Assistant] I mean, the hits keep coming, uh, this is gonna be, this is gonna, this sucks. So, he, he says he thinks he hyper-extended it.


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[Assistant] I don't know, but nevertheless it's easy to do, right? Like wait, it's gonna be interesting.


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[Assistant] You, you wore knee braces, right? Like you blew yours out. He's like, yeah. So it's like, when I see people going back to last week and people kind of.


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[Assistant] You know, getting after Alpine Star and looking, just breaking down.


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[Assistant] You know, Eli's boot and blah, blah, blah. Like, listen, dude, this, this stuff, it's preventative, but it's not a hundred percent going to save you from every scenario. I mean.


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[Assistant] Right. It's like, okay. Ah, it's just crazy. And then like, you know, that was a slow section for Kenny this weekend. And it just, dude, those kinds of conditions, as you know, it's slippery and it's just.


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[Assistant] It's motorcycle racing, you know, I don't even want to get into, ah, there's too many races and blah, blah, blah. I mean, that's just all that stuff. So subjective. You talk to someone and they're going to have a different opinion.


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[Assistant] Of the last couple weeks, we're watching Coop go down. I mean, you know, we're watching Anderson go down. Yeah, we're in the whoops. And then we have Justin Barsha. So it was a, it was a pretty...


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[Assistant] Yeah, all it takes. I do, I do think speeds are fast. That's right. They are. Yeah, we've, we talked about that. The speeds are.


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[Assistant] Those guys are going for it, so we're watching a replay. Uh, that's Beaumier, and then Daxton Bennett. Bennett gets after him in that corner after the whoops, and then the next corner right here, Ryan.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but like to your point, uhm, that's what's great that I think is great for the futures. They'll know like next year when they're in that position, they're like, okay, the track's a little wet. Let me just take my time here. I don't need to pass this dude or try to win the race on the first lap and.


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[Assistant] Those are the learning lessons and that is kind of the intent of the futures and, and that program. So the development program. So I think it's awesome. Hey, great job to Casey Cochran. It's been strong all year long and I want to give him props to, he's made some great progress throughout the season. I go back to that first futures.


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[Assistant] And, uh, he did well, but his writing has, has progressed, uh, tremendously since then. So, uh, this was, this was earned. You're the right place. And, uh, you took advantage of, uh, of, of Beaumier and, and Benick going for it, losing their minds on the first lap.


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[Assistant] It's been a, uh, it's been a good one. It's been, it's been fun covering this with, uh, super cross season RV. It's, uh, the last three weeks, I'm still kind of my, my mind is blown of what we've watched.


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[Assistant] We're gonna keep doing this. It's gonna be a lot of fun. Uh, Pro Motocross Championships just around the corner. So, uh,


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[Assistant] We're gonna have some stuff to talk about. Everyone keep, uh, keep sending in your questions. We'll get to them as much as possible.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it's an off weekend. We have all your, uh, motocross questions for a season preview.


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[Assistant] It is, uhm, it's on demand on Peacock so you can go back and rewatch or what have you and remember to, uh, to like, comment, send us those questions. And yeah, so that's it for, uh, that's it for this week, RV. And we'll, uh, heck, we'll do it again next week, right?


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[Assistant] This week, I did pretty much all motos, no, no heat races, no sprints, nothing, so I really focused on the final 10 minutes of, of the main event and


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[Assistant] When I hit 10 minutes, I'm like, okay, this is, this is where you make it or break it. And that was my, my mindset. But as soon as the race is over, it kind of hit me. I'm like, alright, we got through that one and now we can, uh, break through and start, uh, start clicking some off.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's all or nothing, so knowing you have to win is definitely tough, but I've definitely gained some confidence after last weekend. I feel like I rode well, I just didn't get great starts, and this weekend the start was, uh, my starts weren't great, but I snuck around the first corner pretty well.


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[Assistant] Uhm, got out front, so if I can keep doing that and put myself in good positions, we, uh, we should be sitting good, but it, uh, yeaah, anything can happen, and there was death, they were a little bit farther back, Eli and Cooper this weekend, so uhm, still pretty far out, but gotta win, gotta win some more of these races.


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[Assistant] But I'm not using that because it's ridiculous. The other one they do in America is they invite you to conferences and they're like, we just really wanted you as a thought leader.


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[Assistant] I think that's when it sort of started to change really. And I pinpointed to one particular event, which is my Irish mother has a slightly skewed idea of what constitutes a fun summer holiday. So one summer she bought me a maths textbook.


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[Assistant] And insisted that I go through a single page in this textbook every day before I was allowed to have any fun. Which you can imagine my delight as an 11 year old.


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[Assistant] I'm not sure really. She's just like really, really into education. She always has been. So, you know, her and her family really didn't get very much education. My dad left school when he was really young and I think that she was really just...


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[Assistant] It had this totally inbuilt idea that education is the way that you kind of get yourself anywhere. So she was just very, very strict about education the whole way through. So it's just kind of continuing that idea. But I think what happened though,


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[Assistant] With that sort of summer, is that then when I went back to school afterwards, actually I must have been 10 because I was still in primary school, so I must have been 10. Then when we were doing stuff in maths class, I just had seen it all before really, I knew what was coming and I just totally got it. And at that point then,


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[Assistant] It just becomes much more of a playground, right? When you're ahead of the class, it's just way more fun. And I think that, yeah, that's when I started playing with it a lot more.


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[Assistant] I don't know, maybe I'm being a bit naive, but I think everyone quite likes doing problems when they get them right, don't they? Everyone quite likes it when you get a puzzle correct.


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[Assistant] So it's only that first bit that's horrible, and then when you're sort of in the exercises in the back of the textbook, the first couple are horrible because you don't know what's happening, but then once you get it, you're like, yeah, I'm sailing.


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[Assistant] It's not like I was kind of getting up in the morning and self-motivating myself to sit down and do some of this textbook that had someone standing over me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, totally wholeheartedly and complete nerd. I mean, what else can you say? In picture a nerd, and that was me.


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[Assistant] No, no, but he was like he would be friendly with it and try and get it to sort of sit on his hand and then the bird would just be slightly too far away.


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[Assistant] Reach for it. What was the hero's name? Do you remember? No, I can't remember. You really don't remember? No, I can't, but my mum found this book when she was going through the attic a little while ago and she wrapped it up and gave it to me for my 30th birthday.


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[Assistant] So I've got it at home. It still exists? Yeah, yeah. And I even got a friend of mine, he was also like 11, to illustrate it for me. So it's got like an illustrated cover and everything. I so want to see this book. What was its name? It was called Free as a Bird.


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[Assistant] You know when you think you're like this real literary genius when you're like 10? Nah, I'm impressed by that.


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[Assistant] So, like, our family's just very into kind of racing. And I just massively, massively loved Formula One. I just wanted a way to work in it. And engineering just wasn't really on the table, I don't know.


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[Assistant] It never occurred to me that that was a kind of career option. I went to an all girls school and just no one ever spoke about it really.


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[Assistant] So, because I was good at maths, I went and did maths at university.


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[Assistant] You just do your A levels and then we'll talk about this again. So I did maths, physics and chemistry A levels and then after I did my A levels I was like, you know, I still would quite like to do a hairdressing course. My mum was like, tell you what, just go off to university and do an undergraduate degree in maths with theoretical physics and then after that we'll talk about it.


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[Assistant] There's something quite nice about, you know, having...


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I just, I just always love it. It's just so delicious. And so, I mean, I've always just...


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[Assistant] Yeah, it totally was. I was picking things that I was enjoying doing at the same time, but was kind of edging towards it. And then I eventually got there and just hated it because there wasn't enough maths in it.


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[Assistant] What did you do? So I was doing, I worked for an aerodynamics consultancy firm. Right. So we were designing the wings on cars like Ferrari or like Lotus or like HRT as it was at the time. I had imagined that what this would be would be a group of people sitting around at a chalkboard.


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[Assistant] The really nice stuff has already been wrapped up in, in computer simulations. So you were just setting up runs on your computer overnight and then coming in in the morning and like picking the picture that just had the least amount of blue in it. It's like chucking darts basically. And if you chuck enough darts, something's gonna hit. It was just boring really.


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[Assistant] No, I think I still massively enjoy it in the same way. I think you realize just how superficial the information that you get from


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[Assistant] So I personally never really minded that much. But I know that there was one girl who was doing a PhD, she was a couple of years ahead of me and she dropped out.


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[Assistant] And it just really put her off. And I think there are some people who do get really put off by it. Cause ultimately, you know, people often ask the question of like,


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[Assistant] And in a way, I mean I've got some things to say about it, but in a way the people who you should really ask are the people who left. And ask them why they left. The one thing that I will say about it though is that, and actually I think sometimes you can use this to your advantage,


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[Assistant] But especially when I was younger and especially when I hadn't done much outreach work, people would often assume that you have no idea what you're talking about.


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[Assistant] So you'd kind of go into a room, especially you know, if you didn't know anyone, and people would be having a bit of a mass chat, you're at a conference or something, and people just assume that you're a complete idiot.


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[Assistant] And I just always really loved that when you could, uh, just say something and watch people's faces fall.


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[Assistant] It totally is. I was teaching very young, I was sort of 22 when I was teaching my first group of undergraduates. And there was one year when, uh, the first year I wrote an exam for these undergraduate students and I went off to go to the exam to monitor the students during it. And they wouldn't let me in the hall.


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[Assistant] Who is just, there are a few people on earth who I admire more than him. I mean, I was only there really for a couple of months, right, before I was like, I'm done with this. So he had not only sort of set me up with the Formula One stuff because he knew that I wanted to do it, but when he knew that I wasn't enjoying it, he also set me up with a postdoc.


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[Assistant] And sort of that overlap between social sciences and mathematics, which is a very new area. And he had this postdoc that came up and was like, wanted to know if I wanted to do it. And I did and yeah, that's it really.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's super, super, super applied, right? It's like the most applied maths that you can get. So the idea is that you can look at humans as though they're a mathematical system. And there are some things that sort of make sense, right? If you think about a crowd of people, there are analogies there with the way that fluids move, right?


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[Assistant] You know, you can also think about the systems that work through history that kind of connect up with each other, the networks of people, the way that ideas spread, you know, influence spreads through a population in a similar way to sort of epidemics do. There's lots of little things about people that


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[Assistant] If you take enough of a step back, you can see them as mathematical objects really. So that's really the starting point. And it sounds like the different things that I've worked on, it sounds like they're really disconnected.


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[Assistant] Patterns created by humans that move around in space and time. And yeah, the sort of theoretical basis of that is actually just a really simple idea.


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[Assistant] So there's tons of statistics, obviously, because if you're starting with a data set and you're analyzing it, the first thing that you want to do is to really get a grip with what kind of patterns are in there. But then from there, I mean, you have all kinds of tools, you know, in your toolkit that you want to use. So lots of network stuff.


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[Assistant] It's certainly true that you can change your mind and you can decide to get a coffee or you can sleep in or, you know, there's all kinds of different things that you might do that are different.


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[Assistant] So predicting exactly what you're going to do, I'm not always going to get it right. You know, there's limits to how accurate I can be in that regard. But when you scale up to the size of a city,


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[Assistant] I know it's so true. It's so true. Okay. I like to think that the outcome of, uh, our stuff slightly, well, less terrifying.


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[Assistant] Well, so, you know, a lot of the statistical methods are stepping aside for a lot of machine learning techniques now.


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[Assistant] So you know, for example, I mean this is not exactly my area, but just for example, there are these really beautiful mathematical models that can predict earthquakes and aftershocks, right, in earthquakes. And they've been around for a long time and we, you know, really know the equations very well.


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[Assistant] And it's a similar thing with predicting burglaries or predicting whether someone's going to go on to commit a crime in future. You can come up with these really well crafted.


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[Assistant] Theoretically sound mathematical modules, but sometimes all you want is that prediction.


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[Assistant] There are occasions when the machine learning techniques are the better route to go down. But some people sort of say that, you know, as artificial intelligence gets better,


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[Assistant] I think A, it's a long way away, so I think I still got a job. And B, I think that actually you lose something when you throw away the mathematical model, which is that you lose an understanding of the mechanisms behind those patterns. So it's all very well saying.


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[Assistant] But if you don't know why and if you don't know what it is in your model that's driving that, that result, then it's very difficult to go in and unpick it and make a positive change for the causes behind it.


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[Assistant] I think yeaah, I think you do actually. I think if you don't understand how it works, then you can't be sure that it's completely robust. You can't be sure that what you've created isn't just making its decision based on something that isn't part of the situation at all. So to give you an example, right, there was this driverless car that was built in like the 90s and it was called Alvin.


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[Assistant] And it was amazing. It was amazing driving this car. I drove thousands of miles. I had a camera on top of it, a neural network running behind the scenes that was working out where to drive. It was brilliant, right?


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[Assistant] Until they asked Alvin to drive over a bridge, at which point it went completely mad and almost killed the driver or the person inside the car.


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[Assistant] And they worked out what had actually been happening was all of those thousands of miles that had been driving, it had learned to just drive with the grass on the left-hand side, right-hand side I guess, because it was probably in America, but there'd always been a verge. It was always nice and simple. And then as soon as there was a bridge and there was no grass, it was kind of essentially hunting for grass, right?


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[Assistant] And you can end up with a similar situation if you're hunting for criminals or you're working out where burglaries are happening in the city. You want to be sure that it's really picking up on the signals that you want it to be picking up.


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[Assistant] So to be honest, it's a lot, a lot of stuff on the computer where you're crunching through data, looking for stuff, doing statistics on a machine essentially, or when you're building models inside a machine. But if you are sort of back to like the pen and paper mathematics where you're designing something, designing a model from scratch, or you're


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[Assistant] Yeah is it the same for you? I always have my best ideas when I'm walking.


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[Assistant] No, it could be an urban environment too, but if I'm working on something and like really kind of embedding myself in it, then I try and take my doggy for a nice long walk every day. But the reason for it though, is exactly what you said about swimming, that you can't write stuff down when you're swimming. Whereas if you go for a walk, you can like have a phone with you and kind of take notes and stuff.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's almost certainly got zero citations, but it took me the longest to write. And it's a paper that I wrote with my PhD supervisor, Frank Smith.


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[Assistant] And it's where we have taken a very old model of retail behaviour and we have bent it out of all recognition into the most delicious mathematical problem imaginable and just played with it to our hearts content. That's my favourite.


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[Assistant] I think we turn shopping centres into a one-dimensional continuous line.


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[Assistant] Right. Do you remember what it's called or? I think it's called rate effects on the growth of centres.


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[Assistant] So it wasn't just an accident really, it was never an intention, it was never sort of my ambition, but I did this very stupid talk in a pub which was about sexual contact networks, right? It's called the friendship paradox, do you know about this? It's the idea that when you have a


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[Assistant] There's a strange paradox, which is that your friends are more popular than you, essentially. So on Twitter, both the people you follow and the people that follow you will, on average, have more followers than you do.


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[Assistant] 10 million squillion billion followers. So if you follow her, that number so massively dwarfs everyone in your network who's like you, that the people who you follow are then way more popular than you are.


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[Assistant] Yeah. He's also, I would say, not the most attractive man that's ever walked the Earth.


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[Assistant] Which did really well on the internet. Okay. And then someone saw that and then asked me to do another talk, which was a TEDx talk, which I did the massive love for. Okay.


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[Assistant] Just like your classic nerd. You know, never went anywhere, never traveled anywhere, never took any risks at all.


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[Assistant] And so when this stuff started happening, and it was people coming to me asking me to do something, right, I just sort of thought, well, I'm just going to say yes, because I'd rather live in a world where I said yes and it went badly than I said no and never and didn't know how it would go.


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[Assistant] So I just had, I had a year where my motto was to say yes, basically. And then actually all of the stuff went quite well.


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[Assistant] And now I'm in a situation where, you know, I get to like...


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[Assistant] Have someone pay for me to go to Dubai and fly in a helicopter over the desert at like sunrise and watch people who've built jet packs strap them to their back and like chuck themselves out of a helicopter and fly around the desert. I mean like who the hell wouldn't want that?


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[Assistant] I just think it's a combination of the two really. I mean, on the one hand it's like, you know, you only get one life and like, why on earth would I ever turn this stuff down? It's amazing to have these opportunities. But I think on the other hand, I mean, I really do like wholeheartedly believe that maths has got this reputation that it doesn't deserve.


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[Assistant] And I think it's a massive shame that there is this just glorious, living, breathing playground that is just so incredibly wonderful and people just think it deserves to sit in a dusty textbook and be ignored.


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[Assistant] And you know, I don't think that you can force people to like the subject. I don't think that you can make people into mathematicians who are never going to be mathematicians. But I do also think that actually the whole of society has something to gain by just looking at it with a little bit more understanding about what they're actually talking about.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I think it's a, I'm about to go off on my turn to leave again. And I think that it's inevitable actually that this is sort of the main thing. I think like lots of females find this, that when they have children, there's a period of time where


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[Assistant] It's very, very hard, right? You can't just pick up and put down research. It's really, really hard. It takes momentum and it takes, you know, being embedded in the community and being at the conferences and hearing all of the current ideas and, you know, being totally immersed in it.


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[Assistant] So a lot of female academics have this where they have their first child and they're away for a year, and then they come back for a year, and then they're away for a year, and it's three years really out. So I think really that's the thing that's stilted stuff, right? That aside, the being half and half,


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[Assistant] In some ways it quite helps with the research because you meet people you would never meet otherwise. You have the opportunity for collaboration you would never have otherwise. And also you have the opportunity for


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[Assistant] Engaging people in your projects, right, in a way that you wouldn't have otherwise. So just to give you an example, earlier this year, this project that we did with the BBC, that was also with the University of Cambridge and the London School of Hydrogen and Tropical Medicine, it was a program called The Pandemic, right.


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[Assistant] Now in epidemiology, there's one big problem, which is that you can come up with these glorious mathematical models, but if you want them to really work, if you want them to be able to predict how an epidemic might spread, you have to have a real idea


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[Assistant] Because I had this sort of platform, this opportunity came up where we got the BBC.


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[Assistant] Quite positive. Do you like the sort of glitzy celebrity side of it? I think the glitzy celebrity side is where you're going down red carpets, right? You're getting pats.


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[Assistant] You're appearing in Hello magazine. I mean, those are celebrities, right? Okay. Whereas if you're just on BBC 4. Yeah. Or like Radio 4 in the morning. Or Numberphile. Yeah. Exactly. And getting the tube still. I mean, it's not right. You don't still get the tube, do you? Sometimes.


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[Assistant] Actually, I quite hate the tube. Uber's ruined my life. No, I do get the tube. I do get the tube. But it's been almost universally positive. It's been almost universally positive.


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[Assistant] Like you get letters of support from people who just make a massive difference. You know, things that you aren't even really aware that you're having an impact on people and then they can't actually just make some enormous difference. Yeah, that's nice. There's downsides too. I mean, obviously.


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[Assistant] Alright, I think also the fact that I'm not a genius helps a lot, actually. I think the fact that- You're like a professional mathematician though, it's not like you're like- Yeah, but I'm not like a good one.


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[Assistant] I mean basically I'm just a normal person who just really likes maths, basically.


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[Assistant] So I think that helps. And then I also think that I don't take myself too seriously. I'm quite happy for people to take the piss out of me, which I think helps to be a bit more approachable.


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[Assistant] Speaking as a thought leader and an intellectual. I think that stuff helps. But in terms of what I'm still not good at, oh my God, like everything. Every time I do a project, I have a little notebook where I give myself a star rating. Really? Yeah, on everything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, although it's slightly different when you're edited, your performance isn't totally, do you know what I mean? It's not like totally. But yeah, totally. Like with the idea, yeah, completely.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm not giving myself tens or whatever, but the thing is, I think it's incredibly important to look back at what you've done and acknowledge where you could improve.


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[Assistant] In every folder where I say the talk and I just say what worked and what didn't work the next time. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So one, actually, I did an interview on Sean Keevney's show.


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[Assistant] And that got a really high mark, but it got a really high mark because I managed to like keep my nerves under control. Yeah. And I was really nervous about it because it's like strong keeping. Yeah. And I hadn't done this program before and I hadn't done loads of radio, chatty radio shows before, but I, yeah, managed to not sound like an idiot.


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[Assistant] Because the thing is on those kind of shows, right, you have to be really careful that you are jumping in exactly the right amount. You can't just sit there and wait for them to talk to you because it has to be a conversation. So you kind of have to jump in a little bit.


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[Assistant] Oh, no, because I try, I always really prepare. So I never get zeros and one.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or maybe I've been a bit sloppy and I haven't prepared as well as I could have done. So one thing that I, I still not very good at, right, that Matt Parker is amazing at actually instantly, is that if the audience is in a really good mood,


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[Assistant] And they're going with me. I can accelerate that when I'm on stage this is. I know how to accelerate that and, you know, get it to feed back on itself. But sometimes the audience just isn't in the right mood.


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[Assistant] And I just haven't quite worked out how to do that yet. I haven't worked out that when you've got a bad audience, not to just be like, okay, I'm just gonna say what I was gonna say and that's it. No, I haven't got anything else. But rather be like, what is it about you that you need?


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[Assistant] You know, do you need me to be more goofy? Do you need me to be more energetic? What is it that you need? And give them that and then turn them to your side and wear that.


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[Assistant] And I was like, my god, this is amazing. I mean, I never would have written a book if someone hadn't come to me and said you need to write a book, right? Never in a million years.


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[Assistant] And I kind of thought about it and was like, okay, I'm going to do it. And they were like, great. We need the whole book delivered in six weeks time.


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[Assistant] Full-time academic, got a full-time job, you know, it's like, right, that's not really going to be possible. So I tried to negotiate with them and they were like, yeah, thing is.


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[Assistant] We're Ted, so do you want to do it or not? So I did it. I mean, it was the most horrific experience of my life.


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[Assistant] Oh god. I mean, a lot less than it gets on Amazon, put it that way. Right?


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[Assistant] Something like love and smashing them together, I still like stand by that idea and I think that was like the kind of beginning of a, of something much better there. But it was just such a hard process as I'm not a natural writer.


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[Assistant] And getting the ideas, this wasn't my research area either, right? You know, getting that up to the point where it's like.


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[Assistant] The Christmas one on the other hand, I think we did have more time with that. And I did that with, as a collaboration with my colleague Thomas Olaron Evans, who is basically a wonderful human being. And we just had loads of fun writing it and just being really silly and


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[Assistant] Playful and whatever and coming up with stupid ideas and seeing them through. So that one's kind of more like


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[Assistant] What I wanted love to be, if you know what I mean? Yeah. But I really liked that book. It's really, it's just a stupid little fun book. Yeah. But then the latest one, the Hello World one, I sort of see that to be honest as my first book. Right. Because six weeks to write a book, it's like a pamphlet, not a book. And then the other one was just me mucking around with someone.


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[Assistant] Whereas Hello World is like, I mean it's still quite, well I hope anyway that it's still got that chatty style and there's still like some silly bits in there. It's not completely serious, it's not like this really serious heavy read, but it's just much more about the things that I'm actually interested in in terms of the research that I do. And also, I just think it's got some really good stories in it.


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[Assistant] You can Dictaphone there, can't you? Oh, you Dictaphone it? Yeah, so I'd go for a walk with my doggy.


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[Assistant] For a really long walk and I dictophone loads and then I come back and I type it up and make it into sentences and then pad it out and do the same next day. Have you still got the dictophone recordings?


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[Assistant] It has. No, it's really, it's been really good actually. It's been really amazing. Cause I think...


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[Assistant] People think I don't know what I'm talking about. It's sort of back to what we were saying earlier, walking into a room, people thinking you're an idiot. I don't think people think I'm an idiot, but I think they don't.


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[Assistant] People are a bit like, why is this TV presenter writing a book about AI? You know, she's jumping on the bandwagon or whatever. But it's not really, I mean, it's stuff that I've been working on for a really long time. It's been nominated for two awards, shortlisted for two awards. And one of them was the Royal Society, which is like a really big deal because when it comes to science writing, you just don't really get


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[Assistant] And why I was a real surprise was because exactly as you said, the book that I've written is really chatty. It's not written in the style of a scientist, really.


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[Assistant] So it's really, that was really amazing to get that recognition. And then the other one, the other big prize that it's been nominated for is this nonfiction, like the biggest nonfiction award, which is anything in the English language. So I think there's only a couple of English authors on there.


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[Assistant] So I, well, I actually have this conversation quite often with my husband who's like, you need to give up something.


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[Assistant] But the problem is, is that actually each of them have their own merits. And I think that they all sort of add to this bigger picture. So, you know, the radio stuff, I just absolutely love the team that I have. So, you know, it's a podcast called The Curious Cases of Rutherford and Frye with Adam Rutherford, the geneticist.


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[Assistant] And it's just me, him, and this producer, and we just have the best time making these programs. It's just, I wouldn't give it up for anything and just absolutely love it.


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[Assistant] The telly stuff is like, those are the times where you get these incredible experiences. I mean, it's hard work, don't get me wrong. And you do not make your fortune in television, believe me.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but it's about the experiences and the access and then, you know, being part of something that eventually gets seen by so many people that just looks really beautiful and glossy on the surface. And yeah, having that role, I think is really, I wouldn't want to give that up.


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[Assistant] And then the YouTube stuff is where you can actually be yourself, right? It's where you can actually talk about the ideas that you think are interesting to the audience who want to hear them and get immediate feedback on them and actually kind of communicate with people who are like you. I wouldn't ever want to give that stuff up.


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[Assistant] And then the books, that's where you get to really author something, where you get to think about an idea wholly and completely and just, you know, spend tens of thousands of words getting your own thoughts on a page. So I wouldn't want to give that up either.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't know. I think everything's worked out quite well so far being micro ambitious. Yeah. So just looking at what's immediately in front of you and doing the very best that you can at that and trying your hardest.


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[Assistant] I hope so, I hope so. So I mean, as I said, you know, I'm just about to go on maternity leave again, so, like, in the last couple of years, I haven't done as much maths as I'd want to.


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[Assistant] And I won't again for another year or so, because you know, the new baby. But when I come back from that maternity leave.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I really want to get back into it because it's just nothing in the world gives me more pleasure than getting totally stuck into a totally delicious maths problem.


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[Assistant] Welcome to Title 24 presented by NBC Sports. I'm Ricky Carmichael.


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[Assistant] Sitting with my man, Ryan Villapoto. And, uh, first of all, we gotta.


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[Assistant] Thank our great partners, United Motorsports, Quadlock, Boxo USA. We appreciate you guys. And just when you think it can't get any more exciting, uh, than Indy was, Kenny's win and the Ruts, we go to Detroit and


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[Assistant] That place, you name it, dude. Penalties, heartbreaks, what's the reaction pro?


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[Assistant] You know what was nuts is I wasn't anticipating this. Like dude, it got dry towards the end of the night.


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[Assistant] I think we just get into it, uh, Sexton. We got some sound on tape from Sexton from the podium. And, uh.


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[Assistant] It was pretty, pretty interesting what, what he had to say. Basically he was admitting that he.


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[Assistant] He jumped on the, uh, jumped on the red cross flag, but, uh, let's, let's hear what he has to say.


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[Assistant] With the rule. Okay? And he's assuming, yeaah. He's assuming that Dean was the only guy down.


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[Assistant] He sa- it sounds like he's- Dean- Dean was the guy that the red crosses for.


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[Assistant] So Dean goes backwards like he says, and then he sees the flashing lights, but he still jumps.


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[Assistant] So yeah, costly mistake, man. Costly mistake. I mean, you can't like, there's just an element that goes, goes into it. I think of like, okay, yeah.


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[Assistant] You see the downrider, you're assuming he's the, he's the only one there, and you see the, you see the cross, the flashing lights, and you just, what, you just say, uh, screw the red lights, I'm going, you can't do that. I mean, I, I think it's,


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[Assistant] I think that the role needs to be a little more, uh, specific.


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[Assistant] It needs some clarity, so these guys aren't in this situation again. I think no matter what they do, there's always going to be a situation where


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[Assistant] They've never seen that before and you take, take things into your own hands, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, he basically admitted to it and he said he was in the right.


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[Assistant] Listen, I- I'm not saying that I agree with the rule, or I disagree with the rule, but at the end of the day, you have to-


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[Assistant] If the, if the light, if you're at a stoplight and the light's red and there's no cars, you're just going to go through the red light. And essentially that's, that's what he did. And.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we have a replay here for the, for the people that are just listening to our podcast. We're just, we're just showing the situation and showing all the lights, showing Dean go backwards and the flashing lights and what happens so there's a hundred percent clarity.


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[Assistant] On, uh, what, what, what went down and yeaah, I mean, he, he just goes, but.


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[Assistant] I mean, it goes back to like that guy on Twitter. It's like, dude, just because the lights are, there's no cars, you can't blow through the, blow through the, blow through the light.


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[Assistant] You got cross flags going everywhere. You got lights flashing. You got dudes behind you trying to chase you down.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, you see Dane there, but at the same time, I, I, I think how I would have reacted


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[Assistant] Is, if I'm not sure, I'm as, I'm gonna chill and, and, and pay attention to the lights. I mean, it's easy for me to sit here on Tuesday and talk about what I would have done, which is what, what he should have done.


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[Assistant] You know, like air on the side of caution and don't, whatever you do, don't leave it in the hands of the rest.


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[Assistant] Hey, do you think like, so, do you think that they should...


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[Assistant] Keep the red cross flag going and the red lights going so that everyone has to serve.


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[Assistant] You know, serve that caution or serve that, I wouldn't even call it a penalty, but serve that caution rather than like those five, first five guys came through and then they were like, what's your thought on that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, and, and for the record, I'm, I'm with you. I agree with that 100%. And I,


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[Assistant] I think it, I think it sucks the way that it went down, but at the end of the day, the rule is the rule.


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[Assistant] And you have to follow the rule, you don't like, it's like I was explaining, it might have been on a group text with us, like,


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[Assistant] Listen, I don't think the speed limit needs to be 45 mile an hour on a three lane road, you know, but that doesn't mean I can go 60. Yeah, I go 60 sometimes probably, but you know, I, I'm assuming that risk. Um, so anyhow, yeah.


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[Assistant] From bagging his first premiere win and dude, first of all, uh, hate it for him.


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[Assistant] Tough time, emotional, my heart was breaking for him, but dude, I, we got some sound on tape, but thank you for pulling over and doing that, that, uh,


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[Assistant] And so many more fans and all these young kids watching Supercross. You want to take notes? Take notes from this guy. The worst possible situation ever and he still gives time to answer the hard question.


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[Assistant] I'm so, I'm so heartbroken for him, and yeaah, to your point, you know, just like...


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[Assistant] Pulling over, taking the time, answering JT's question and just showing us that raw emotion and for everyone listening.


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[Assistant] Listening to RV and I and, and watching, like, the, like,


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[Assistant] That emotion is what it's all about. That's how special it is.


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[Assistant] To have an opportunity or to be in the position to win a, you know, Mazda Energy AMA Supercross race.


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[Assistant] At the premier level, I mean, in RV, you talked about it.


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[Assistant] You know, he had a rough couple years, uh, entering into the premier class. He had a gnarly ankle injury and you know better than anyone, it's,


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[Assistant] To, to come back from that and to mentally be able to get in a position.


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[Assistant] Where you can put yourself in a spot where you have an opportunity to win is, is one thing in itself and he's been able to do that and, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, such a heartbreak loss, a heartbreak moment across the board and, uh,


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[Assistant] Yeah, but if you're a young kid, that's somebody you need to be taking notes from.


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[Assistant] Well, I think uhm, yeaah, I'm, I'm, I'm with him and I, you know, I, that wind's coming. The wind's coming, AP.


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[Assistant] Keep doing it. You know, when you're writing that well, eventually you're going to get it done. And uhm, yep.


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[Assistant] That's right. Do you really think that I cursed AP bro?


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[Assistant] I feel so like, I'm so bummed for him.


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[Assistant] And you know what I'm bummed for him the most is, is like, I think he'll get a win. I think it'd be epic if he wins this weekend in Seattle, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know that his next win could possibly come as easy as he had it this weekend. I don't think so.


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[Assistant] Quit throwing out negative vibes, dude. Like, why you gotta say it's gonna rain? Like, why don't you like, put your superpowers in there and be like, it's gonna be awesome.


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[Assistant] Hey, before we, before we, uh, move on to the 250, I, I noticed something, uhm,


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[Assistant] Listening to Chase and, and he was saying how he, I think, I don't know if he said he liked being, coming from behind, but.


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[Assistant] He's been in that position before, he was able to stay focused. And I almost felt like, I almost felt as though, like,


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[Assistant] James was kinda that way a little bit in his, in the beginning of his 450 career to where


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[Assistant] If he was out front and you think the guy would have it in the bag, and then the next thing you know, he lays it down, right?


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[Assistant] And I wonder if there's, like, I feel like Chase is the same.


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[Assistant] Like I feel like maybe his mind wanders for that split second and then that's when he throws it on the ground. But then when he's coming from behind, like his brain is consumed.


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[Assistant] Like James was, I felt like he was better when he would come from behind and he would make less mistakes when he would come from behind. So that's interesting to like what like I was kind of interested. It was interesting to me to listen to Chase.


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[Assistant] Say that I'm like, dude, maybe, maybe he needs to start further back and maybe it keeps his mind engaged more.


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[Assistant] Hey, uh, I like that little dig he says though, like in that interview, you know what? He's just trying to stick it. I feel like he was trying to stick it to.


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[Assistant] To AMA to like, kinda defend his position, but also like,


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[Assistant] I guess he said he's not 100% because he had his neck was jacked up.


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[Assistant] It was interesting, you know, like I don't, I don't know what's happening, but he's got to go, I think.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna tell you what I think, but before we do that, we have some sound from, uh,


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[Assistant] From Hunter from the press conference, kind of like button in and wanting to share what he thinks of how it all went down.


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[Assistant] He got caught in the hype. I think it was just one of those moments. He's probably like, holy crap.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm going to go back and forth to your point, cat and mouse. Do I agree with what he did? Of course I not. Of course, of course I don't. Is it going to happen where he's at in this, in, in his career? Yes. I still think he's going to be putting these positions because he's still learning and he's going to know to your point. I think he's smart enough to understand that a year from now.


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[Assistant] He's going to need favors, dude. He's going to be coming through the pack and he needs a guy to give him a little bit of room to get up there so he can get the championship to your point, you know, like the championship's mentality, a champion's mentality and thinking.


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[Assistant] I give him, I think he has that kind of thought process. I just think he's young. I think he's young. I think, was it stupid, was it stupid what he did? Absolutely. But I just...


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[Assistant] If I was coaching him, I would have been like, hey, don't do that at your teammate, blah, blah, blah. This is why you don't do that.


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[Assistant] I would explain to him, like, look at the time you lost, imagine if that was an event and so on, and like Hunter was behind you. You're losing probably four or five seconds right here. You're risking going down where that first 180 right-hander, he could have just kind of took


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[Assistant] Jordan a little high right there and basically lost no time whatsoever.


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[Assistant] Like that, that's just me coaching him and that's what, that's what I, I would have told him.


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[Assistant] I give him a little leeway just cause it's gonna happen. I didn't like what he did, but at the same time, you know what? Dude, he's young.


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[Assistant] I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he won't do that again, especially to his teammate if he's in that position.


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[Assistant] So that, I just kind of chalk it up to he got, he got caught in the moment. I've seen, I've seen a lot of people.


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[Assistant] On the keyboards, just talking about how, oh, he's showing his true colors, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, the dude


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[Assistant] Blocked it out when he got to the, uh, got to the main event and bagged another podium.


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[Assistant] It happened to me, I, I mean, I, I go back to 1997, Vegas Supercross.


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[Assistant] 125 is, I mean, I, I, I deliberately went into the corner to try to take out K-Dub. There's no doubt. Ryan Swink. God bless him.


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[Assistant] He's like, dude, if he's in front of you, just, you gotta take him down. If you don't think you can beat him, you gotta take him down. And that was straight up deliberate. Now, would I have done that, you know, the next year in 98? Heck no.


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[Assistant] There's no way. You know, I mean, you just, you learn. I think it was a learning incident, but that's what leads me to the quad lock case question of the week. Uh, by the way, you're going to get free


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[Assistant] Uhm, a free case, quad lock case for your phone. So make sure you, uh, slide into, uh, title 24 DM. Give us all your info. But this, this question comes from the big cookie 94. This is a good question.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it says, why didn't Smith just hang back and make


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[Assistant] I don't think he was ever going to make, like this, this is you, this is, that's completely on him. He's riding way over his limit. He could have made it to the, he could have made it, easily made it to the main event had he not been riding over his out of control right here. This is a heck of a save. He did something very similar to that.


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[Assistant] And qualifying practice, but he actually went, he went the other way.


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[Assistant] Hindsight's always 20-20. He wasn't 100% at fault. Listen, uhm, you know, I mean, Hayden was giving, giving him some grief, but,


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[Assistant] A guy like Jordan Smith, who has been in the game, uh, for as long as he has, uhm, yeaah, he was probably pissed and he got caught up in the moment as well.


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[Assistant] He should have waited. He could have easily passed Hayden in the whoops, the next lap.


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[Assistant] And he should have just taken his medicine and said, alright, whatever, be the bigger person and wait and pass the guy.


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[Assistant] Like, like I said, the next lap to the whoops, he was clearly faster there. Uhm, I-


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[Assistant] That's what I would have done, but hell, I've been racing 10 years, you know, I raced 10 years, but probably would have done exactly what Jordan did if I was a rookie, but Jordan wasn't as far from a rookie, so.


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[Assistant] Has Jordan done something to him in the past at one of the first three races? I don't know. I need to ask him. You know, like, I'll talk to him. I'll follow up.


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[Assistant] Uh, that starts at 4.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know what? Check it out. It's gonna be good. Uhm, I expect nothing less.


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[Assistant] Uh, you can see right there an Encore presentation of Seattle. Uh, that'll be at 1 a.m. on CNBC. So if you want to watch it on the TV,


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[Assistant] On, on a major network, you got that, you got that as well. But RV, I don't, I think it's going to be exciting. I think it's going to be exciting.


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[Assistant] If you get a good start to your point and you stay up, I mean, it sounds easy, it's not, but really those two keys. Good start.


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[Assistant] Keep it on two wheels, you're really setting yourself up nice. So, dude, it's gonna be epic. You, uh, you probably aren't coming, are you?


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[Assistant] And, uh, and, and, and coming along with the ride with on, on title 24 with RV and I, it's been, been a lot of fun.


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[Assistant] Yep, it does. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but I know there's going to be a supercross race and it's going to be a lot of fun. So hey, I'll be up there in the cold.


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[Assistant] In rain, you'll be down in, uh, wet California. Uhm, I'll be in the nice warm booth. That'll be nice. Uh, but this is another one in the books, my man.


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[Assistant] Enjoy this. We'll see you guys next Tuesday. Title 24 presented by NBC. Should be good.


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[Assistant] I think, I just wanted to point something out which kind of, it amazes me.


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[Assistant] So much of the people on social media, where everyone puts their, you know, expertise in, say, oh, they're racing back in the 90s, early 2000s, like, they were, where men were men.


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[Assistant] They always talk about how gnarly it was and then anytime...


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[Assistant] A block pass or something happens now, everyone cries about it.


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[Assistant] It's, that's just kind of a bit interesting. It's either, you know, pick one. You either want the gnarly block passes from 10 years ago.


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[Assistant] And then when you get it, everyone makes a big song and dance about it. So that's my perspective. You know, I think it's, uh, it's a bit funny how that works.


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[Assistant] Hi there, I'm Brady Harren. Welcome back to the Numberphile Podcast, where today's guest is Simon Singh.


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[Assistant] Some of you may know Simon from our Numberphile videos, usually as the guy talking about mathematics in The Simpsons TV show. He's written a whole book on the topic.


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[Assistant] But Simon's equally well known for bestselling books about Fermat's Last Theorem, Codebreaking, The Big Bang. He's been a filmmaker for the BBC, where he made what I reckon is the definitive documentary about Andrew Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem.


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[Assistant] And if that's not enough, Simon's also worked as a physicist at CERN and he found himself sued for defamation in a court case that changed the legal landscape in Britain.


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[Assistant] These days, Mathrew Simon's focus is on mathematics education. He wants to shake up the way it's taught in British schools, and we'll be talking about that later on. But first, let's talk about money.


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[Assistant] So Simon, when I told people I was coming to meet you today, lots of people know who you are, mathematical people, but people who didn't know who you were, the thing I told them that impressed them most was that he's on this committee that's going to decide whose face is going to be on the new British £50 note. How did you end up on that committee? That sounds amazing.


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[Assistant] I know, I saw the governor of the Bank of England had to specifically rule out Dr... That's right.


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[Assistant] I've seen in like, you know, the publicity and the articles about it, there are three or four people that seem to be emerging as like, you know, the bookmakers favourites. As someone who's on the committee that will then decide, do you feel swayed by that? Or do you feel like this resistance? Oh no, let's choose someone unexpected. Let's surprise the public. Or do you feel, no, let's go with what the public wants? How does that work?


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[Assistant] Have you been getting like emails or phone calls or people wanting to give you their two cents worth or have you been like, have people been like leaving you alone and realizing that you're like quarantined from being influenced?


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[Assistant] Okay, we made a video on one of my YouTube channels where we made some suggestions, so I'll send you the video as well so you can see what you think. Alright then. Starting properly then.


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[Assistant] Did you ever find out why your parents chose like a village in the West country as opposed to London or the other places or?


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[Assistant] What were you like as a boy? For a start, were you like, were you a science and math geeky kid or were you like into sports or what was, would I have guessed you were going to be who you became?


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[Assistant] Just, still while you're young, one last thing I have to ask, because if you're Indian background, you said you're really into football, were you into cricket?


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[Assistant] It sounds like, compared to a lot of other people I speak to who have become scientists and mathematicians, you sound like you were quite well rounded. You weren't just like this total math nerd, you know, you were liking your sport and popular culture and it sounds like you were like pretty normal.


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[Assistant] I agree with you when it comes to adult scientists and mathematicians.


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[Assistant] But when I hear them describe their childhood, I mean, they could be just like, you know, being humble, but they always describe themselves as quite nerdy as a kid.


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[Assistant] They grow up to become quite well-rounded people, I agree with you, but they always say, oh yeaah, I was always the nerdy kid at school.


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[Assistant] Were you being influenced by your parents? Did they say, yeah, you should be a physicist, that's a good path for you? Or were they saying, no, no, you should be a doctor or?


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[Assistant] Lots of people dream of working in TV and like, and think, oh, I'd be good at TV, but not many people get to do it. And you sound like you just said, hmm, think I'll try TV now. Like, what did you have that they saw or what?


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[Assistant] Do you, I imagine also having the PhD and the street credibility in science helps when you're approaching those scientists and saying, I want to make a book or I want to make a film. You know, you're like, I'm one of you. It must help at least at the start.


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[Assistant] When you finally became an actual practicing physicist, you know, working at an amazing place like CERN, how did that compare to what you imagined being a physicist would be like when you were like a schoolboy and said, this is what I want to do, I want to be a physicist. When you actually did the real thing and met the reality of


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[Assistant] You talk about this realization that you weren't as good as some of the others. You weren't going to be the superstar and thinking maybe I need to be doing something else. Like I don't often hear people say that. It sounds like a, was it, was it a difficult decision? Was it forced upon you? Was it just, was it easy? Was it courageous?


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[Assistant] Are you someone who has always had the next step secure and safe before you let go of the branch? It sounds like a couple of these times you take the plunge, you just let go.


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[Assistant] Something we'll come to shortly, we're going to talk about some of the things you're working on now, but now I very much think of you as someone who...


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[Assistant] Is like, bit of like a campaigner and someone who wants to make a difference and change the world for the better, like, you know, in a kind of crusade-y type way.


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[Assistant] But were you like that when you were at the BBC? Were you thinking, these films are going to make the difference and make the world a better place? Or were you just like, you know, this is my job and I'm a storyteller and I like TV. Or was that sort of streak already running through you that, I must make this film because the people must know and the world must be made a better place.


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[Assistant] So when you left the BBC, you went through the book phase, then of writing a series of very successful books. How does one decide, okay, this is a good idea and this is a good newspaper article. This one, this is book worthy. This one, this one's a book.


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[Assistant] So you made this film, which is still a great film that people love watching, but then a book, is it because you felt like the film hadn't told the story or? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I have to ask you about the libel stuff, seeing you brought it up, because it's so fascinating to me as a journalist as well. For people who don't know this story, because outside the UK it's obviously probably not quite as well known.


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[Assistant] When you wrote this article, did you feel like you were stepping on a landmine or just feel like it felt like grist to the mill sort of?


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[Assistant] Packing it in, taking the loss, you know, how many times did you, were you ever teetering right on the edge or?


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[Assistant] But there was never a day when like a pen was hovering over the page and thinking, ah, I'll just write this off.


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[Assistant] Are you glad you wrote the article? Like because of the good that came, if you could go back in time, would you rewrite the article and keep yourself out of trouble?


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[Assistant] Did you end up seriously out of pocket or did you end up like, you know, you weren't on the bread line?


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[Assistant] From your lawyers and people who helped you and all that sort of stuff.


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[Assistant] How has Simon Sinknot written the definitive libel book? This sounds like an amazing story. You talk about meeting Andrew Wiles and the compelling human story of that. You sitting on the steps feeling sick with that letter sounds like a great opening to a book.


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[Assistant] I can imagine the family conversations over the breakfast table during that period would have been compelling.


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[Assistant] For all the successful things you do, television, books and other things you're doing now that we'll talk about in a moment.


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[Assistant] How much do you think the libel thing will be like one of your real legacies? I mean, that's how I first heard of you was, oh, Simon Singh, he's the libel guy. Oh yeah. I know, I know that story. It's amazing. But I mean, maybe that just, you know,


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[Assistant] So, quickly on the, on some of the books then. I'll ask you a quick, couple of quick things about books. One is, it seems like over the course of these five books, this is where you're turning from Simon Seng, the physics guy, into Simon Seng, the math guy. Cause it's, you seem to start, like, three of the five.


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[Assistant] Certainly I would describe as math books rather than science or physics books.


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[Assistant] The Simpsons Math Book seems like the odd man out in that collection to me though. It seems more frivolous.


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[Assistant] What are you doing at the moment? How do we even start with what? You've left books behind. I actually was secretly hoping you were going to reveal to me today the new book you're working on, but you've left books behind. That's it.


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[Assistant] Is that true? I would have thought, aren't you someone who just walks down the high street and everywhere you look you see a book idea? Is a book idea that different to another idea?


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[Assistant] So your interest in the math education that we're about to talk about now doesn't mean you've like turned your back on physics. It's almost to help the physics.


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[Assistant] Isn't this just like, just divvying up the cake even more though? Just more slices? Like, it doesn't sound like a paradigm changing idea to say let's break them up even more into more specialized groups.


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[Assistant] You said you're piloting this in a number of schools at the moment. Does that mean you've brought money to the table for them to be able to do it?


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[Assistant] I mean, it sounds like if your dream was to come true and this was to become standard across the country to be enormously expensive though, to be a whole new bunch of math classes.


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[Assistant] And I've, I've seen you talk about it myself. Obviously a lot of people are going to like what you're saying. When you get criticism or when people say, hang on, you haven't thought about this. Can you think of any criticism you've heard so far that you've thought, actually, that's a good point. I hadn't thought of that. Like the one that came to my head, you, you've already addressed, which was sort of the elitism of it and just like, you know, the good get better and that, but.


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[Assistant] You say you can come in and out of the set, so. But what's the criticism of it? Like, help me criticize it, because I think it's a good idea.


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[Assistant] Right. You can't have ban one top top set and ban two top tops.


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[Assistant] An argument I've heard that I'm imagining you're going to disagree with quite strongly but I wonder what you think about it is the argument that maybe we place too much importance on math education now in schools and maybe the times have changed and while there is a place for mathematics we should be pushing more towards


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[Assistant] Computer science and programming and coding and we should be turning the math dial down a little bit.


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[Assistant] Beaten up every, every day. If I stay here in the, just in the top set, it's all right. I have a happy life.


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[Assistant] I can't remember what it's like to be that age, it was so long ago, but is it a situation where being put in the top top set is like...


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[Assistant] Prestigious or is it like being put in the nerd club when you want to be cool with all the cool kids?


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[Assistant] So these weekly, are you still calling them parallelograms? That's right. These weekly missives designed for the students who are in top top sets, but you let everyone else in the world sign on for them too if they just want to do them for fun or have some use for them.


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[Assistant] You said that you don't think television is a good medium for teaching mathematics.


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[Assistant] If you'd like to find out more about all the stuff we've been discussing today, from court cases to parallelograms, I'll include some useful links in the show notes.


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[Assistant] I'll also include something about Simon's books which are well worth a look.


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[Assistant] My thanks go to the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute for its support of Numberphile, and our episode sponsor today, Meyer Sound, an amazing audio engineering company based in Berkeley, California.


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[Assistant] Thanks so much for listening and we'll be back very soon with another interview.


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[Assistant] Among his numerous accolades is the Fields Medal he won in 1998. Well, it's a medal he pretty much hasn't seen since by the sounds of it, but we'll come to that later.


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[Assistant] I visited Professor Gowers at his office in Trinity College at the University of Cambridge.


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[Assistant] Did you grow up with mathy people? Were your parents mathematicians?


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[Assistant] And were you like, were you like one of these prodigy boys? Like were you like, was it obvious you were going to be a mathematician?


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[Assistant] Did you want it to be in the mix? Like if I'd spoken to you as, as a boy and said, what do you want to be when you grow up? What would, what would the answer have been?


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[Assistant] Well, did you like music or was that because your parents were musicians?


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[Assistant] At what point then in your school years did, did the switch happen where it was like, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to be a mathematician. I'm going to take this further.


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[Assistant] But at O levels, you presumably you did English at O levels as well. So there was a next stage for English as well. You could have done A levels English. You could have done a degree in English. Why was math the one that you wanted to jump the next hurdle of?


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[Assistant] A lot of people I've spoken to who are mathematical have spoken about how when they first got to university, that's when they got excited about mathematics because they started learning about the creative side of it and proofs and all these new things they could do. It sounds like that came a bit earlier for you though, like just knowing the power of the tools was what excited you, not even the creative side of it yet.


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[Assistant] There's also this, I don't know much about the Maths Olympiad, but the little bit I do know is they then have these extra medals they give for students that come up with like unexpected proofs and solutions.


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[Assistant] As in, as in mathematics or as in just like academia and...


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[Assistant] So anyway, he planted the seed, you know, you could go into academia.


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[Assistant] Professor, you're clearly quite a humble person, but it would be pretty hard to deny you've become quite accomplished as a mathematician and won all these awards and have all these honours. So obviously you're like a top top mathematician.


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[Assistant] At what point in your career as a younger mathematician, like at university, did people start saying to you, Tim, I think you could be really good at this. I think you could, you know, I think you could be one of the really good ones. What point were you getting that kind of stuff said to you as an undergraduate or does that happen when you become a PhD?


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[Assistant] Can you give us some idea about your area of research that you were doing at this point?


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[Assistant] When you started your degree, you obviously had the whole buffet of mathematics before you. What pushed you in that direction? Was it a person? Was it just an enjoyment, a natural affinity for the subject? Why did you end up in these banash spaces?


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[Assistant] There is a, there is a degree of wanting to be the person who did it, the person who found it, like the Neil Armstrong or the...


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[Assistant] So that kind of model of the, the Andrew Wiles hiding in the attic and not telling anyone what he's doing for 15 years or something has its, has its merits because otherwise that work just wouldn't get done in the first place.


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[Assistant] Do you remember your first flag planting Neil Armstrong moment, the first time you've, you felt like you'd found something new and significant, your first big moment like that?


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[Assistant] So this wasn't a proof, this was almost just like a, this is different to a proof.


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[Assistant] Why did that worry you though? You knew you'd done it, and you'd done it marginally first, so why was this such a blow to you?


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[Assistant] Chip into your tombstone or something, what was your, what was your big one?


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[Assistant] What did you think it was? Did you think you were in trouble? You'd been raiding the stationery cupboard.


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[Assistant] So you knew you weren't in trouble because you were in the good books at the moment.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like the only people I've spoken to about it found out directly from that they'd won the Fields Medal, but you found out kind of like second hand.


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[Assistant] How did you feel? You're sharing credit again. Are you having to share it with someone else? That was okay.


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[Assistant] Sir, are you Sir Timothy or Sir Tim? Sir Timothy, I suppose. Sir Timothy. So, who did the sword for you? Who knighted you? Oh, I had, I got the Queen. Oh yes! That's like the, well done. Hit the jackpot then. Yeaah, amazing.


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[Assistant] What was that like? What did she say to you? Or are you allowed to say what the Queen says to you?


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[Assistant] For people who don't understand my excitement, by the way, when you get a knighthood, you can, it could be conferred upon you by the monarch herself or it could be like, you know, Prince Charles or someone else, the Duke of Cambridge. And so I always think getting the monarch themselves is like.


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[Assistant] Do these things mean much to you? To Fields Medals and Knighthoods and things like, you know, what do they, how do you feel about them?


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[Assistant] Can I ask you what research looks like? I'm always fascinated by the idea of mathematicians doing research, you know, oh, I've got, I've got a week, I'm just going to do it, spend a week doing research. What does that look like? Do you sit at this table here with a piece of paper and a pencil? Do you go for a walk or ride a bike or do you like, like, how do you, if you've got time set aside to have an idea, how do you have an idea?


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[Assistant] Nice. Just finally, cause I know I don't want to keep you all day. I do want to keep you all day, but I know I'm not allowed to. You talked about working on like AI and what machine learning and to do proofs. This is an area I find really interesting.


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[Assistant] Are computers going to put mathematicians out of business? Is that realistic? Like, you know, do you think it could get to the point where the computers are doing it?


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[Assistant] But you think it will, like, so you're thinking it will just be a different kind of computer program. It will be a new, it will be like a paradigm change. It won't be just more and more power to sort of the pattern recognition.


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[Assistant] It's funny to me that you say that that's the thing that machines could do, because I think most people who are defensive about machine learning, that's the thing they say.


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[Assistant] The computers could never do. That's the one thing we've got, is that, is that kind of instinct that a computer could never replace that aspect of my humanity. But you seem to think that's the thing that computers will do really well.


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[Assistant] I mean, even in my career, I've always thought sometimes being successful means doing what the other person's not willing to do. And that sometimes means those things that appear that they won't be good return on investment.


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[Assistant] You don't find many like, huge gold nuggets just still sitting on the ground when you go to a party.


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[Assistant] What are you doing at the moment? What's taking up like your time at the moment besides having me in your office and some posh dinner you've got to go to tonight? Are you in a research mode at the moment or book mode or?


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[Assistant] So these are, these are proofs or solutions or things that you and your collaborators have nailed down and you've just got to write it up now in the correct format and get it published. Is that?


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[Assistant] That's a, that's a really frustrating thought for me that, that sitting in all these, on all these desks and all these drawers around math departments around the world is like stuff that's going to push the field forward and no one knows about just because it's hard to write.


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[Assistant] Well, that's all for today. We'll include some links relevant to the show in the usual places. Also, as usual, our thanks to the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute for supporting the podcast and thanks to the audio engineering company Maya Sound in Berkeley, California for supporting this episode.


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[Assistant] I'm Brady Harren, you've been listening to the Numberphile Podcast, and we'll see you again soon for another episode.


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[Assistant] For a lot of people, I feel like maybe this is one of the episodes you've been waiting for, because today, we're joined by James Grime, the original Numberphile presenter.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, James is a private guy, and that's what I think makes this episode a real treat, because James is really gonna open up and tell us about what makes him tick, where he comes from, and maybe where he's going next. It was a chat that I really enjoyed, and I hope it's something you'll enjoy as well.