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[Assistant] Then the following day after Minnie went missing, April 13th, Blanche's aunt, her aunt, um, Trifena Noble, I believe her name was. That is a boss ass bitch. Yea, there's some cool names in here. She received a package in the mail.


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[Assistant] Now again, this is the day after Minnie went missing, April 13th.


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[Assistant] Now, I don't know why, but she opened the newspaper page, and inside was another sheet of paper that was folded like an envelope, kind of. And when it was opened, inside were three rings, all having belonged to Blanche.


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[Assistant] Yes. So Detective Edward Gibson was called to check this evidence out obviously, and he had seen this as a very bad sign for Blinch's recovery alive. He wouldn't have time to mull this over though for very long because the exact same day, many would be found. Oh.


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[Assistant] A woman named Lila Berry was waiting for some women to arrive at the Emmanuel Baptist Church. They were going to be doing some kind of function.


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[Assistant] And while she was waiting, she and some of the other women decided to pass the time reading. So Lila went into the closet of the church library to show a woman named Mrs. Nolte where the books were kept.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and sent for Reverend George Gibson?


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[Assistant] Which seems like his name should have officer in front of it, but nope, they got the pastor.


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[Assistant] He didn't. He called the Golden Gate Undertaking Company and asked them to please remove the body secretly from the church and not let anyone know about it.


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[Assistant] Why? Because he didn't want to scare parishioners.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is a literal murder scene, you actual idiots, and he called the police. Like the Undertaker was the one that was like,


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[Assistant] I'm not just gonna remove this body, that's illegal. This is like the worst game of telephone ever. Like are you fucking kidding me? So he called the police, he was like what the fuck. He also called Tom Vogel because he was the closest doctor. Oh shit. Which would act as a temporary coroner here even though they actually have a coroner.


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[Assistant] Isn't this like very scandalous and wild? It is. Yeah. Vogel was obviously shocked to see this woman with Minnie Williams.


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[Assistant] When the coroner actually came and made his report, he said after a more thorough examination, this was a brutal slaying. They had found strips of cloth


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[Assistant] There was a deep laceration on her forehead that went down to her nose and was bleeding extensively.


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[Assistant] There was lacerations on multiple parts of her body, but her wrists were cut and her hands were almost completely, it said so deeply they'd almost been severed from the arms. Holy shit. Both of them. Yeah.


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[Assistant] She had also been stabbed several times in the chest with such force and rage that the knife had broken and the blade was still in her chest. The handle was left lying on her chest. Also, it was a butter knife.


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[Assistant] It was also discovered unfortunately that many had been violently raped before and after death.


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[Assistant] Initially he placed her time of death at around midnight the previous evening, but this was, this was, um, what the initial examination, but after an analysis of her stomach contents, he actually revised to that time of death and said, actually, I'd say about 8.30 PM the previous evening.


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[Assistant] I don't know if we want to go back really quick. I do. But uhm, our little pal who was watching out to see if people were fucking in the church. Yup, yup. He saw the mentor around eight thirty, eight o'clock basically, and then he saw Theo leave at nine.


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[Assistant] 8.30 PM is a perfect time for that to have happened. And then he must have, he like cleaned up in the church somewhere. Yeah. Himself up, I mean. Yeah, he must have.


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[Assistant] Now when they searched the area, they quickly knew this person had to know their way around the church. That room was not known to everyone.


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[Assistant] And the piece of the table used and sharpened was not something that people would know was there to pull off.


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[Assistant] Also the knife he used was one of the church's kitchen knives. So he had to go into the kitchen, find that and be able to use it.


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[Assistant] So news spread quickly that there was a murder in the church, so calling the pastor didn't really work out for them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it put, they put together that there was probably a connection to the missing, the disappearance of Blanche Lamont. Definitely. Some papers were very typically 1800s and said in headlines that the body had been quote, hacked to pieces with a dull table knife.


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[Assistant] Well, that is pretty true, to be honest. Like, that's a pretty salacious headline. Yeah, I don't think we need to put that out there.


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[Assistant] They also said that the assailant had evidently possessed all the ferocity of Jack the Ripper. Okay.


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[Assistant] Now Blanche and Minnie, again, they both had dated, uh, Theo, and they knew each other.


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[Assistant] Yeah, the media also pointed to the connection, obviously, with Theo to be like, haha, I think we have our guy. And everybody's spotting him with these women. All the witnesses and Minnie's own friends pointed fingers at Theodore and were like, I don't want to believe he did it, but that's the only fucking thing I can think of.


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[Assistant] He gave that to investigators. And according to one article, Theodore, quote, had written to many yesterday asking her to meet him in San Francisco. Oh, bitch, you put that in writing? Yup. And she did. And it says, um, that it was the Sunday Oregonian or Oregonian.


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[Assistant] Oregonian, right? Yeah, that makes sense. In 1895 it said, but she did not look upon his advances with favor.


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[Assistant] So detective Gibson was certain that they had a connection that Minnie and Blanche did and a killer that was common for both cases. And even though they had not found Blanche's body at this point, he was convinced that they would find her soon and he was 100% sure they would find her on the church grounds. And that is where I'm going to end part one. But don't worry, part two is only like, what, like 12 hours away, 24 hours away.


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[Assistant] I'm telling you there's more, the trial is pretty wild, we still have the discovery of Blanche.


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[Assistant] It's a, it's a wild one. This is this one really interested me.


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[Assistant] We're always at one, and we still are at one. I don't like that. It's not fair to me. It's that some people know what's up, but they won't let us know.


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[Assistant] I wanna know too because secret secrets are no fun. Secret secrets hurt someone. Hurt someone. Possibly a whole planet. Possibly all of us. Yeaah. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.


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[Assistant] That's actually kind of crazy. It's like the 50s of it all, you know? They were like, no, just make bread and serve your husband and everything will be fine.


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[Assistant] All I can picture is him going, I'm doing it for a thrill. What is that for? Uhm, it's from a song, it's like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that was, I almost feel like that was like, let's take him to a psychologist.


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[Assistant] And how sad is that that they looked him in the face?


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[Assistant] No, not the character, where the setting is also like almost like a character in the story. Exactly.


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[Assistant] I mean, a woman had walked past them like bleeding out with her intestines on the side and they didn't notice her, so that about wraps that up.


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[Assistant] So if you know me, you know that I really do. I do love a good compliment. It feels good to get a compliment when you're just walking down the street singing, look at my Rothies, look at my Rothies, these are cute.


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[Assistant] Have you ever seen somebody wearing a colorful pair of flats and you thought, oh my god, those are so cute?


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[Assistant] Well, those were definitely Rothy's in my opinion. Rothy's are the perfect shoes for commuting and traveling because everyone notices them. They're known for their chic, pointed toe flats, but honey, that is just the beginning. They have tons of iconic head turning designs. There's bright, but like still at the same time, sophisticated colors.


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[Assistant] And Rothy's works with every single outfit. Wear them with yoga pants or dress them up for a night out. They are


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[Assistant] Completely comfortable, like insanely comfortable. I feel like I'm wearing slippers half the time. As soon as you take your first step, you think, ahh.


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[Assistant] That really is more like it. And Rothy's takes sustainability to the next level. All of their products are knit with thread that's made from plastic water bottles. They've actually repurposed about 125 million water bottles so far.


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[Assistant] And it's just crazy to think that like these shoes are so cute and they're also kinda saving the planet at the same time.


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[Assistant] I also am just like amazed at how comfortable these are. If you wear flats, you know that like 9 out of 10 times you're gonna be blister city.


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[Assistant] I never got a single blister when I had my raffies on the first time I wore them. Nope. Never. Never not once. They're so comfortable. They're super cute. I seriously get complimented all the time. And one of the things I love most about them is that they're super durable because you can toss them in the washer.


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[Assistant] And then the other thing that's weird to me is that he stole her rings because previously like nothing had been stolen off of, uhm,


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[Assistant] She's also a Virgo, and I feel like I'm learning more lately that Virgo's kinda like to push boundaries like a little bit. Not in a bad way, but like test limits. Yeah, I see that. My youngest is a Virgo, so yes, I agree with that. And then think of, we have some other family members and friends that are Virgos, and it's actually applicable to almost all of them. It really is.


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[Assistant] Taking the guesswork out of what supplements are best suited for you. I know it, that you've been on that Target aisle or that Walgreens aisle, just being like, which vitamin am I supposed to get? Should I get that one? What's the difference between this one and that one?


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[Assistant] And I got a good amount of like supplements and vitamins. One of the best vitamins that I think they added to my personal shipment was vitamin D and I definitely am feeling like a boost in energy from that.


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[Assistant] And just a side note question, you can die of cirrhosis of the liver and actually not drink, right? Like cirrhosis of the liver can be caused by other things.


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[Assistant] And he tossed her out. I think number one, he doesn't give a shit cause he wants to make his money, but do you also think he maybe thought she was drunk and was just like, you gotta get out of here?


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[Assistant] It's like you took the time to go back there and check to listen. You heard something weird and you said, huh, that was weird. And he definitely heard it.


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[Assistant] See you later. Huh. Question! I don't know if this is a dumb question. Leather workers, obviously we unfortunately get leather from animals. Did they have to like, get the...


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[Assistant] Skin from the animals themselves, or was it provided to them? I actually don't know that. Because then I guess you could have s- you're not like-


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think, was the last haunted lakes episode, or like spooky lakes episode, Lake Lanier? Or have we done one since then?


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[Assistant] You know, like, we're all weirdos here, but I came late to the weirdo game a little bit.


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[Assistant] Literally like you cannot get in unless you're wearing black or leather or chains. Yeah. In this movie. And there was like, Elena showed it to me and there's this one scene where they're going to this movie and I put up my little like devil horns on my hands and I was just kind of like poking them into the air like grooving. But like in the way that I groove and Elena is saying that I'm going to do that at the top.


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[Assistant] What do they say, like, have you ever seen the picture of like the witch and it's like, don't touch the witch.


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[Assistant] So Lake Mead is over in Nevada. I believe that's how you would wish for me to say it, Nevadians. I think that's how you're supposed to say it.


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[Assistant] So the lake was a man-made project, and we all know how that goes. Oh yeaah. It took place in February of 1935 after the construction of the Hoover Dam. And when the lake was at its fullest point, it measured about 12, or 1250 feet deep. But


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[Assistant] This lake actually has not been that full since 1983, almost 40 years ago. Damn. You were showing me some of these pictures. Oh my God. And we're going to talk about some of them. I am like, wow. It's crazy. The last time that it was even close to being as full as it originally was, was 22 years ago in 2000.


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[Assistant] It's lost over 200 feet of water that is just drying up because of climate, uh, climate change and global warming. It's awful.


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[Assistant] Now the majority of scientists don't think that Lake Mead will ever reach its full capacity of depth again.


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[Assistant] Damn. It did gain a little bit of water recently because we've been going through like a crazy drought and it's been even worse like over there on the west coast. Um, and they did get some heavy rainfall that definitely rose the water levels up but not near where it would need to be.


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[Assistant] So crazy. But all that said, to get to the point of the story, as the lake is losing more of its depth, all kinds of things are being uncovered. It's actually, like we were just saying, super, super creepy to watch video footage because now you can see all kinds of boats that have reemerged and some of them


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[Assistant] I don't know why this creeps me out so much. It's just like plain creepy. The boats that are just standing vertically, like up and down, that are, that were once like under so many, like hundreds of feet of water. And now are just like just right there. Like it looks like they're just like in the sand. So creepy.


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[Assistant] There's also been even creepier things to emerge, like uhm, the whole ass cities, yes I said cities, that were just sitting underneath the lake for the past like 87 years.


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[Assistant] But like things like that have re-emerged and then of course they have found many sets of human remains.


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[Assistant] And of course it had been settled first by Native Americans. So first there was a group of Native Americans known as the basket makers, uh, named because they made very beautiful and intricate baskets.


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[Assistant] And shortly after the Basketmakers settled on that land, another group of Native Americans came along, and these were the Pueblo, Pueblo people, excuse me. And by most accounts, the Pueblo people and the Basketmakers kinda like combined their ways of life, and they really maintained the land together.


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[Assistant] History obviously tells us that it's very uncommon for these groups to combine their cultures without some kind of war being fought to get there.


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[Assistant] But it's actually not known for sure whether there was a war or whether they were just like, we have similar cultures, like let's spend them, let's both live on the land. Uhm, I just feel like it always has to be a war. So stupid.


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[Assistant] Always. All, now while the Pueblo and the Basketmaker people were living together in unison, they turned this area into a full blown city.


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[Assistant] The Pueblo people were known to make beautiful structures and the people before them and even before the basket makers, they were known to build structures that were underground, they're called pit homes.


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[Assistant] But the Pueblo people built upwards and actually like in a kind of modern way when you look at it.


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[Assistant] If you're just picturing like small little one room structures, think again because these structures were built, like some of them had 100 rooms.


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[Assistant] One hundred rooms. Like you can look at pictures and it's beautiful. It, it looks crazy now because it's almost like mummified, but it almost looks like how Greece was built. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yup, you're right. Yeah, it's beautiful.


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[Assistant] And one such structure can actually be seen now because the lake has dried up so much, you can go see the structure with a hundred rooms.


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[Assistant] Now, archaeologists began to study this lost city that would later become known as Pueblo Grande de Nevada. Nevada, sorry.


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[Assistant] They kinda started really getting gumption into their studying of this place right as plans were being made to construct the Hoover Dam and subsequently fill in the lake.


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[Assistant] And through their searches, they found ancient weapons, they found skeletons, they found different like, different buildings, different structures, so just way more than they bargained for.


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[Assistant] Way more than should be under a lake, exactly. And the thing is, like, all of these, all of these relics are just gonna teach us more about the civilizations that came before us. So they're digging like crazy trying to get this done before the lake fills in. They were literally digging up to the point where the lake was being filled.


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[Assistant] Like they were pouring the water in and the people were like hang on one sec, like I found something. What the fuck? One man said archeologists were working there until the lake was rising around them.


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[Assistant] And it's great that they stayed there that long because now there is a museum in Nevada featuring everything they found. Uh, it's called the Lost City Museum and it was actually founded by the National Park System. And they have these like massive wall to wall cases just filled with ancient artifacts and relics. It looks so cool. I want to go so badly.


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[Assistant] Exactly. 100%. Now, again, I had said there is more than just one city beneath Lake Mead, there are multiple. Actually, I think there's three if you're getting technical. So this other civilization was founded by Mormon settlers, and they named it St. Thomas after the main leader of their group, Thomas Sasson Smith.


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[Assistant] So they find this area, they see that it's rich for farming, it's a little off the grid, which is great because they can live amongst themselves, and Thomas Sassen-Smith and the group that he was traveling, uh, with, they founded this area.


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[Assistant] And at the time they thought that they were actually still in a section of Utah.


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[Assistant] And they knew this muddy land would be great for farming, so they're like, awesome, it's 1865, we're christening this place, St. Thomas, let's live here. And they did. For about five years, this group of Mormon settlers lived amongst themselves, they farmed the land, they built a church that they all went to together, and I don't know, they just vibed.


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[Assistant] And perhaps that family was onto something because St. Thomas would actually be revitalized once more about 20 years after this.


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[Assistant] So toward the 1880s, the town was reborn when farmers again realized how great the soil was, and they began harvesting the land all over again.


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[Assistant] So these settlers actually welcomed back some of the Mormons that had previously been kicked out, and the town really started to ramp back up again. Eventually there were hotels, bridges, cafes, another church was constructed, and things went well for another 50 years, so they lived like in peace and harmony.


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[Assistant] Exactly. Nobody died here yet. It was just that President Coolidge signed off on the Hoover Dam being constructed and the residents of St. Thomas were told that they could live there. They had another, they had about seven years until this whole project was set to get into place, but they needed to make arrangements because


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[Assistant] In seven years, they were going to bury their town in hundreds of feet of water. Yeah, that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Your home means so much to you. I can't imagine being like, yeah, we're gonna flood it. Yeah. And like, you can never go visit it again or anything like that. Like, yeah. That's just shitty.


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[Assistant] Like, you just get, first of all, don't ever knock on my door, but.


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[Assistant] And legend has it that one man stuck around until the bitter end. This man is called Hugh Lord, and he one, was not going to accept such a small payment for his home and his land, and two,


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[Assistant] He didn't actually think that the water was gonna rise as high as the plans laid out. He was like, I think they're making this a big fucking deal and it's not gonna be that big.


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[Assistant] He is said to have packed up all of his things, got his rowboat, he had a rowboat ready just in case. He set his home on fire and just rode away from it. Like what?


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[Assistant] And shortly after his departure, Lake Mead was officially filled, but as we know, it would not remain full forever.


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[Assistant] So aside from the lost cities and the boats that I mentioned are now reemerging, there's also something pretty fucking wild that technically hasn't, or not technically, it just hasn't fully emerged yet, but we have a view of it that we've never had before. I showed you this and I feel like it's gonna freak you out all over again.


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[Assistant] This wild thing that is slowly like coming closer and closer to the surface is a B29 plane that has been sitting in Lake Mead since 1948.


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[Assistant] But it would be 55 years before the plane was even discovered, which happened in 2003, and it was only because the water levels were of course starting to deplete.


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[Assistant] No, even now it is pretty deep down and you do need scuba gear if you want to go check it out. Uhm, but if scuba's not your thing, I found this article that had a photo from an aerial point of view and there's this sliding cursor that you can move to see before the water levels started sinking and then after.


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[Assistant] So first, when you're looking at it with like the cursor slid over, you would have no idea that a plane is lurking below. It just looks like a body of water.


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[Assistant] Then you slide the cursor and the view changes to like the after point of view, and you can see the top of this plane. Again, it's still submerged, but you can see it. Like this massive fucking plane just sitting there.


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[Assistant] And another means of transportation also reemerged very recently actually in July of this year. Uhm, I showed you a picture of this too. A World War II Higgins ship, which was used for soldiers to storm the beaches back during World War II.


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[Assistant] Now, a lot of these particular boats were actually used on D-Day during the Second World War, and this particular ship that now sits slightly in the water, but mostly sticking out, it was a surplus ship that was originally sent to also, uh, survey the Colorado River, much like the plane I was just talking about.


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[Assistant] When they didn't need it for that job anymore, it was sold to one of the marinas at Lake Mead and they actually purposefully sank this boat.


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[Assistant] The other thing is this, uh, this like body of water is what we use for drinking water for like 40 million Americans.


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[Assistant] This is a real problem. If this water keeps depleting at this rate, like 40 million Americans, I think it was actually over 40 million Americans, are gonna need to find a different source for drinking water. It's so wild. How are we at that point, guys? We gotta do something. We gotta do something.


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[Assistant] But now onto what everybody has been asking about, all of you people on Twitter and Instagram.


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[Assistant] All of the bodies that keep washing up or being discovered in Lake Mead.


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[Assistant] The lake really does get a bad rep because there's a high amount of death associated with it. A lot of people have drowned out there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not necessarily in like a lake linear way with like lost souls pulling you underneath. I mean maybe that is the case, but.


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[Assistant] It kind of seems more like people swimming out farther than they intended to and getting tired along the way or jumping into the water from high up and not realizing how strong the currents are. Because I think when you hear lake a lot of times you're like, oh, lakes are chill. But this lake, I mean, it's massive and it's


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[Assistant] And drownings actually account for most of the deaths at the lake, but there are also vehicle crashes, there's been homicides I guess, and there's been falls and suicides. And actually, when Outside magazine named Lake Lanier the deadliest park, they weren't even counting the deaths that were by suicide. Wow. Which is really sad.


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[Assistant] Now as the lake is drying up, like I said, a lot of partial remains are being found, as well as whole entire bodies. A man was recently discovered inside of a barrel with a shotgun wound to the back of his head.


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[Assistant] Now some people think that this murder was probably a mob hit because it does sound that way. It certainly rings like one. Definitely does. The man was found very badly decomposed, but still wearing actually some of the clothing that he had obviously been wearing when he was killed, uh, including a shirt, shoes, and a belt.


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[Assistant] Now because of the style of the clothing, it's believed that this man was probably killed in the mid 70s to early 80s.


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[Assistant] The mob theory comes from the fact that around the late 70s and well into the 80s, the areas surrounding Lake Mead were rife with all kinds of mob activity. And actually, the Mob Museum, which is the museum I want to go to,


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[Assistant] But that most of the time he said people were killed outside of the city and away from it all because they didn't, the mob guys didn't want to tarnish the gambling industry. Which does make sense.


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[Assistant] So there are a lot of theories about who this man could be. And the first theory comes from actually some of the employees at the Mob Museum. They are pretty sure, like they're really into this lead. They think the man inside the barrel could be a man named Johnny Papas.


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[Assistant] Now, while he was still alive, Johnny was said to have connections to the Chicago Outfit, which is a Chicago-based crime family. And Johnny himself was from Chicago, so it's not crazy to think that that's possible. Yeah.


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[Assistant] The leader of the Chicago outfit was Anthony the Ant Spelotro. I love the names. It's like my favorite thing ever. I know it's like super fucked, but it's just the names. The names are


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[Assistant] I hate that. My stepdad had this theory that like, we're ants too, like we're somebody else's ants, and it used to really creep me out. That is so heavy. He was very emotionally unwell.


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[Assistant] Overseeing operations! Oh yea, I bet he did. Yea, but he oversaw a lot. And word on the street was that the ant and his guys were skimming off the top and that Johnny Papas might have known about it because Johnny worked at the casinos, uh, he worked in the Las Vegas Hilton and at Caesars Palace, both of those casinos.


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[Assistant] He also managed a hotel called Echo Bay on Lake Mead. And Echo Bay was run by a company that was said to open up different properties to use as fronts for spending mob money. For spreading mob money, excuse me.


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[Assistant] So over the years, it's been suspected that the ant and his guys might've rubbed Johnny out. Which by the way, doesn't that expression just creep you the fuck out? Yeah, cause it just makes you think of like a big...


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[Assistant] So yeah, over the years, many people suspect that the ant and his guys rubbed Johnny out.


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[Assistant] That might be because he inspired one of the characters in the movie Casino. Ah. Nikki Santoro, played by Joe Pesci. Oh, okay. That was inspired by The Ant. The Ant, ah. Now, in August of this year, a gun was actually found pretty close to where the body in the barrel had been discovered.


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[Assistant] But another woman who actually was contacted to give a sample of her DNA thinks it's possible that her brother is the man who was found inside the barrel in May of this year. She said that when the barrel was discovered, quote, I just knew it was him. I still feel it's him.


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[Assistant] Now this woman's name is Barbara Brock, and she explained that her brother, Bobby Eugene Shaw, went missing about 45 years ago, and she was told by the police that based on the condition of the skeletal remains, the time period of when he went missing could make sense, like he could be the body in the barrel. Okay. And they asked if she would submit her DNA.


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[Assistant] So like I said, Barbara was asked to give DNA and she did, and her nephew also gave a DNA sample. Uhm, they gave their samples over I believe in May of this past year, but the police think that it could take a while to get a definitive answer, like at least a year.


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[Assistant] But she feels very strongly that this is her brother and the police, the fact that they did ask for her DNA. They're at least trying to rule it out. They are.


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[Assistant] Now, William Crespo has been another name brought up as potentially being the man inside the barrel. Back in 1982, which I don't know about that.


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[Assistant] He was arrested at an airport because he was trying to smuggle a shit ton of cocaine back into the US. We are talking $400,000 worth of cocaine. I feel like that's a lot. Uh, today it would be $1.2 million worth of cocaine, so you are correct. That is a lot. Many, many cocaines.


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[Assistant] He also had connections to the mafia as well, but when he was arrested at the airport, he gave information to avoid a heavy sentence. Eek. His testimony against these people involved in the mafia actually led to 10 indictments?


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[Assistant] He was arrested back in 1982, so it would have been like well into the 80s. And they're thinking more like mid 70s, early 80s, so it could happen, but I dunno.


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[Assistant] I do too. There's, uh, one last name. The last name I saw as a potential to be maybe a match of the, uh, to the body in the barrel was Jay Vandermack. He was in charge of running a slot machine operation for the mob at the Stardust Resort and Casino.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when the Stardust was raided back in 1976, he left Vegas real quick because he was like, I'm not gonna get caught up on that. Uhm, but he did get caught up on that because there are rumors that he met with the mob to hand over the seven million dollars that he had made for them.


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[Assistant] But it was discovered that he had kept three of those millions to himself and was later killed because of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't think, I feel like we've learned over this, like, these past few years that closure doesn't really exist.


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[Assistant] So now, if you are a fan of paddle boarding, I don't know if the next discovery will be for you or not. I'm not, so let's go. Me either. Uh, so recently, two sisters, they weren't us because we're not into that. Nope.


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[Assistant] So they start digging and they realize, it becomes very apparent very quickly, that this was not a sheep. One of the sisters, Lynette Melvin, explained to the reporters later,


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[Assistant] It wasn't until I saw the jawbone with a silver filling that I was like, oh this is a human and started to freak out.


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[Assistant] So investigators handling this specific case, they haven't been able to determine a cause of death for this set of remains, like, but we kind of, we basically have the answer. They said they don't expect foul play, but later the remains were identified actually as those of a man named Thomas Earned.


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[Assistant] Uh, he had been reported missing 20 years ago.


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[Assistant] But he was kind of a jokester, so at first his family thought he was joking.


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[Assistant] These currents can take a body hundreds and hundreds of feet from where it originally was.


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[Assistant] Now in Thomas's case, like I said, it took 20 years for his body to be located, but thankfully he was able to be put to rest and his family got some kind of semblance of peace. And he was actually able to be identified because there's a long list of missing people who went missing while on Lake Mead.


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[Assistant] So the police were like going through that list trying to figure out- Like just narrowing down. Narrowing down, exactly. And Thomas' son got a call asking if he could provide DNA to hopefully match up to the remains. So Thomas' son and his daughter both agreed to give DNA samples. And sure enough, it was a match.


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[Assistant] His son told reporters, I mean of course it's going to close a big chapter just knowing he's at peace now after so long, but it is definitely big news and I don't know if I was ready for it.


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[Assistant] I'm also happy that now they have a place to go visiting. Exactly.


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[Assistant] So more and more remains are being found at Lake Mead. A lot of them, by the way, are partial sets of remains that hopefully can put, can be put together and potentially identify more missing people connected to that area.


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[Assistant] And a lot of investigators believe that this is really just the tip of the iceberg and that there are going to be a lot more remains, a lot more relics, just like a lot more found at Lake Mead. Look at what has already been found. And it's like we're just starting to have this stuff. We're just scratching the surface. Quite literally. Literally. It's wild.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but they say that it's not a reason to stop enjoying the lake. They do want people to continue to enjoy the lake, but they also are urging people, you know,


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[Assistant] Now like I said, there's been a lot of remains found. I think, I believe five sets of remains including the body and the barrel have been found.


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[Assistant] And it's hard to say if how many more are going to be found because people are thinking that there could be hundreds more. Oh, I'm sure.


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[Assistant] Officers are getting calls every single day to go out and investigate like a new lead.


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[Assistant] And a man has also been seen in the dam. He's dressed in what's referred to as old fashioned park clothes. Love it. And if you catch a glimpse of him, you better not blink and you better not make any move toward him because the second you do, he simply poofs into the air.


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[Assistant] He's a shy one. He is, and it's believed that he could be one of the many men that were killed during the construction of the dam. Uh, yes. 96 men were killed on the job, and that number doesn't even account for people who died either like at the hospital or at home later. Eek.


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[Assistant] Crazy. People also claim to hear activity coming from the abandoned Mead Lodge, which was once an up and running place for guests to come stay the weekend at the lake.


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[Assistant] But they eventually closed down when the lake, like, went further and further out. Yeah. Couldn't really enjoy it anymore. Again, due to climate change.


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[Assistant] And I saw a few videos on YouTube of people just like exploring the abandoned lodge. It's got this creepy, desolate feel to it now, and the air is said to feel very heavy inside. Ooh, I hate that.


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[Assistant] What is going to be a four part series on Jack the Ripper? Alright wait.


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[Assistant] Exactly. And I feel like, you know, Albert Fish was four. Everybody reached their breaking point at that point, I think, and it was a nice reprieve when it was done. Four for these ones is the sweet


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[Assistant] For this series so far, I am sure to be adding more by the fourth one, by the fourth episode, but I will let you know when there's other ones. These are really good books.


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[Assistant] So the first one is Jack the Ripper and the Case for Scotland Yards Prime Suspect by Robert House. Okay. The second one is The Hidden Lives of Jack the Ripper's Victims by Robert Hume. Okay. That's a good one because it really focuses on the victims. The third one, which I think


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[Assistant] Right now is my favorite comprehensive look at the case, is the complete Jack the Ripper, and that's by Donald Rumbelow.


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[Assistant] And then we have The Five, which is a really good book and a really interesting one because it's another one that really focuses on the victims, their stories. You can get a lot of background. It's by Haley Rubenhold. She does an amazing job.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the next one I'm going to talk about in the last one for now is called The Ripper Code by Thomas Tuffhill, I believe it is, Tuffhill.


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[Assistant] Uh, they're all really great. They all give, you know, different point of views. They all give.


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[Assistant] Really comprehensive looks at all the evidence and they're fascinating and I think you should read them, but I will link them all.


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[Assistant] So what we're going to do with this episode is I want to talk to you about Whitechapel, the stand at the time, which is in the late 1880s.


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[Assistant] We're going to talk about workhouses because a lot of these women were spending a lot of their time in workhouses and it gets mentioned a lot and you should know what those are. Uh, we're going to talk about the first victim. We're going to be talking about Mary Ann Nichols or Polly Nichols as she was known.


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[Assistant] We're going to talk about some of the victims that they thought are still thought to this day, although I don't really think so. They thought may have been pre-ripper victims, like pre, um, what they call the canonical five, which are the ones that most people know their names.


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[Assistant] Um, but they think that they're true. A lot of people try to like connect a lot of other cases to this, which I'm sure.


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[Assistant] In any way connected, I just want you to know that they happened, that they were talked about to be connected to this case, and they kinda influenced how they looked at a lot of it. Okay.


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[Assistant] So in this one, we'll be covering that one for sure, canonical victim, that first one, going through the background, all that. So here we go.


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[Assistant] Let's talk about Whitechapel, the East End at the time. So the East End of London,


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[Assistant] Not here. Uh, so in, in these times, the East End, there was rampant crime, violence, homelessness, there was, alcoholism was a widespread issue, drug use, disease, it was


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[Assistant] Like going out to the Berkshires or something. Or like upstate New York. And you're out in like a cabin in the woods, that's when you see dark. That's when you know what dark is. And these people were living in it constantly.


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[Assistant] What is the dark that people are scared of? I get it now. Like I don't know dark. There were tenement homes where many, many, many families would cram together in one room to live and sleep.


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[Assistant] There were workhouses, like I mentioned, we're gonna talk about those later, I'm gonna explain all about those. And there were also DOS houses where poor and homeless could pay a few pence for a bed for a night.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in a survey done by Charles Booth that covered the years between 1886 to 1903, which is, uhm, the Ripper murders happened in 1988. They started in...


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[Assistant] And another 13% were living and struggling to survive, quote, where a decent life was not imaginable.


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[Assistant] There were families, like I said, living in one room with people suffering from every disease you can imagine, like smallpox, tuberculosis, all manner of things. Kids, like I said, were running around barefoot, sometimes nude because clothing was a luxury many couldn't afford. They lived in


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[Assistant] And this is awful. They lived in literally like beds.


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[Assistant] And the thing is that these lodging houses, you would have to leave during the day. So if you were ill or you were old or you were hurt,


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[Assistant] And they wouldn't even hold a bed for them or anything, even knowing them for so long, they'd be like, no, I'm going to earn my money if someone comes and pays for that bed, that's theirs. Wow.


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[Assistant] Uh, robbing, stabbing, mugging, drunken brawls, they were literally a minute by minute occurrence here. Uh, it was mayhem. There were streets here where police wouldn't go down or they would only walk in groups. Police. Wow. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, Thomas Arnold, the police superintendent of H division in the 1880s said quote, there can be no doubt whatever that, whatever that vice in its worst form exists in Whitechapel. Yeah, I would say so.


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[Assistant] Mostly for men at the time, you know, slaughterhouses were a massive market here, uh, butchers had butchers and they were just men walking around covered in blood all the time.


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[Assistant] So, cause animals are being slaughtered like right out in the open. Just like over there. Like very brutal. So they're just walking around, remember, covered in blood a lot. Right. With aprons on. That's why some of this was a little tough cause we look at it and we're like,


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[Assistant] How's this guy committing, as we're gonna talk about, like we'll get at least a good taste of it here, these atrocities. Right. That he would be covered in blood, and no one's noticing him? Because everyone was covered in blood. A lot of people didn't bat an eye at it.


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[Assistant] It wouldn't have stuck in my brain because I see it all the time. And because these people are just so focused on survival. Yeah, exactly. And for women, sex work was also very ramped in the East End because it was really all they had at that point. Like, they didn't get a lot of other opportunities. They were called unfortunates.


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[Assistant] Being a dressmaker, a tailor, a laundress of other people's laundry if they were, but they were only able to do that if they had a place to launder other people's laundry, if they didn't have a roof over their head.


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[Assistant] The act would take place literally anywhere. In alleys, in doorways, against walls. Right. Usually, like I said, people didn't have anywhere to bring a client back. Cause they can't go back into those houses. Yea, and it's like sometimes they can bring them back into these DOS houses, but most of the time not. It's gotta be the right time.


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[Assistant] And, uh, most of the time it's just like, alright, do it and get the money and leave. That's it, cause you're doing it to get your lodging. And then you think about, like, the filth that that adds to society. Oh, cause yeaah, cause every, I mean, sanitation.


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[Assistant] Sanitation was real bad back then, so it's like all this is happening in very unsanitary conditions.


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[Assistant] Person would look at this and say that obviously the severely horrific living conditions and rampant poverty were likely the reason sex work was so rampant at the time because there was really no, there was no other choice. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It was desperation. It was how you were gonna get your next meal. It was how you're gonna feed your kids. Right. They were doing it for usually just basic human needs that everybody deserves.


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[Assistant] So, even at the time of the Ripper murders, police commissioner at the time, James Monroe, said this about the victims.


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[Assistant] The only wonder is that the Ripper's operations have been so restricted.


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[Assistant] That's a you problem. Not a me problem. You're like cool, cool, cool. You're like alright, so I think it's time to get into, now that we've like set the background at least for what is going on here, let's talk about Marianne Nichols, better known to her friends as Polly.


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[Assistant] So sometime around 3.40am on August 31st, 1888, Charles Cross was on his way to work as a carman, which is somebody who drives a horse drunk here.


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[Assistant] That's what I used to say. I know chives. Chives. Uh, Ash used to think it was chives. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, he worked in Buck's Row, which in Whitechapel. And as he passed some gates and fencing along the road, right in the middle of the road, he noticed what he initially said he thought was a tarpaulin, which is a big waterproof tarp, essentially.


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[Assistant] Is that because how Whitechapel was? Almost all of this, so many of these women, people saw them at first and were like, oh, it's a drunk woman just passed out on the ground. Like no one thought twice about it. It's the fact that that was like, oh, whatever. That was the first thing that popped into their head.


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[Assistant] That's just a drunk woman on the ground. Just must be a drunk woman. It's like wild. And she was laying very close to the locked gate. He took a closer look and saw that she was still and her skirt had been hiked up closer to her hips.


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[Assistant] Another man named Robert Paul, who was also on his way to home from work, or to work, it varies, uhm, he noticed this as well and he came to help.


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[Assistant] So they felt her. She was cold in her face and hands. It was still dark out so they couldn't see details. Paul immediately said he was like, by the way, she was positioned and her skirt was hiked up. I was worried she had been raped.


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[Assistant] So he said he pulled her skirt down to cover her because he was like, I just didn't want to leave her out in the open like that. And they ran to grab a police officer.


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[Assistant] Now at 3.45am, PC John Neal, which is police constable, uh, he was walking his beat through Bucks Row and Whitechapel when he came across this woman in the street as well.


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[Assistant] At this time, Paul and Cross had found PC George Meisen and had told him what they had seen.


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[Assistant] He went straight to the scene as well and he met PC Neil there.


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[Assistant] So PC Neal sent another police officer who showed up at the scene for Dr. Reese Welf Lewin, I think it's Llewelyn to come. Okay. Uhm, there was usually just like one doctor that they would go and have come for this. He arrived very close to 4am on scene.


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[Assistant] At this time, workers from the surrounding butcher shops and other shops were coming on scene as well because everything's opening up.


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[Assistant] People are going to work, all of a sudden they're seeing this crowd. It was clear to the doctor, Dr. Llewelyn, that this woman's throat had been cut deeply from ear to ear.


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[Assistant] In fact there were two distinct slashes to her throat. One that was 8 inches long and cut so deep that it cut the vertebrae.


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[Assistant] Uhm, all the tissues and vessels had been savaged in her throat. Later he made very sure to state that he was completely sure that her injuries were in no way self-inflicted.


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[Assistant] Now later in a report, PC Neal said quote, I examined the body by the aid of my lamp and noticed blood oozing from a wound in the throat. She was lying on her back with her clothes dis-disarranged. This woman was about five foot two.


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[Assistant] On the bands of her petticoats were the markings of the Lambeth workhouse. So obviously she had been staying at a workhouse.


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[Assistant] With the Lambeth workhouse markings on her petticoats, they decided to look there first to try to identify this woman.


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[Assistant] It was someone from the Lambeth Workhouse a friend Polly had made while living there named Marianne Monk who came down to the morgue and identified the body as that of Marianne or Polly Nichols. So Polly was born August 26th, 1845. At the time of her death she would have been around 42 years old.


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[Assistant] Her father, Edward Walker, was a blacksmith, and her mother's name was Carolyn, or Caroline, and she was a laundress.


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[Assistant] At 19, she married her husband, William Nichols. He was a Fleet Street printer for Messer Perkins Bacon and Company in 1864.


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[Assistant] He worked there where they printed books, posted stamps, anything that needed to be printed, they printed.


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[Assistant] At one point the couple lived with her father for uhm, I think it was like 12 years they lived with him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and during this time they had the first of what would later be five children together. Raging in ages from 8 to 21 at the time of her death.


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[Assistant] Luckily, after a lot of hustling in the printing business, they were able to afford their own home in 1876 where they accepted, they were accepted to live in the Peabody buildings, which were a new set of tenement housing units.


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[Assistant] And they were like pretty like upscale. They looked really nice. They only accepted working class people of high moral character. Okay. Now they live together in like okay harmony.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there were rumblings that William took a liking to Rosetta and Polly noticed. After their child Eliza was born in 1876, Polly began drinking gin and the couple started fighting a lot.


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[Assistant] But she went to live with her father for a while and then she returned back to William in 1877. Again, the fighting continued until she walked out again while very pregnant and ended up at Lambeth Workhouse for the first time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if she stayed there, so she went back to Williams. Err, excuse me, William.


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[Assistant] And again, we're going to get into workhouses for sure because her fears were not unfounded that she might be separated from her baby.


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[Assistant] Where's she gonna take all these kids? It's a very, it's a hard one to judge and that's why I'm not gonna judge it. Exactly.


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[Assistant] My initial, my, of course my initial thing is like, how could you ever leave your kids? Cause I, I don't get it. No. But I also didn't live in that time. Exactly. So I'm not gonna say that I understood it. I'm not gonna say.


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[Assistant] I get what was going through her head. I, I just, you know, that's it. It's like dire straits. It is. This is everything that happens in the story of Jack the Ripper, uh, boils down to desperation and hopelessness really, which is really sad.


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[Assistant] But you know what? In her desperation, like we said, she went to stay at Lambeth Workhouse again. Uh, this is a good time to get into exactly what a workhouse was and how they came to be.


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[Assistant] So it's important because many of the Ripper victims, like I said, were bouncing between these establishments, DOS houses, lodging houses, or they had at least spent time in one of these workhouses.


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[Assistant] Now in 1834 in England, a law referred to as the Poor Law was introduced. This law was introduced as a way to help and bring poverty stricken people back into work.


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[Assistant] So it was built on desperation. Already, the power dynamic is fucked here. With this law, workhouses would be established where poverty stricken people could be housed, clothed, and fed. But in return, they would work extremely hard doing manual labor. Things like breaking stones and shit.


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[Assistant] What? They would have to manually crush the bones of dead horses, cats, dogs all to use as fertilizer. What? There were a ton of rumors that there were grave robbing happening as well and that these people were unwillingly crushing human remains as well.


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[Assistant] These workhouses were feared and avoided by many. You don't say. They were sometimes referred to as prisons for the poor.


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[Assistant] And mistreatment was rampant. That's what it sounds like. It literally sounds worse than prison. Yeah, people, families would be pulled apart and forced to live in different parts of the workhouse. They had to wear uniforms and basically eat prison slop.


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[Assistant] Also, immediately upon entering a workhouse formally, the person would lose all voting rights. What?! Yeah.


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[Assistant] These workhouses were mandatorily set up in different parishes around and these parishes were formed and broken up into unions for this.


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[Assistant] The unions would meet and all of, and what they called unions, uh, they would meet and all of the parishes in that union would help decide what kind of facility they intended to use and intended to build, excuse me. For example,


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[Assistant] We're supposed to visit the workhouses and make sure everything was up to code and that the conditions were not terrible. Totally. So what I found was a particular crazy scandal involving workhouses around this time. It was the Andover Workhouse scandal and it changed the way that workhouses run.


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[Assistant] Later sexual assault accusations were lodged against him. Knew that was coming. And soon it was clear that people living in this particular workhouse were so star- starving that they were skin and bones. He was literally starving them all.


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[Assistant] A man named Hugh Monday, who was uhm, he was a magistrate and member of the overseers on the Andover board. He actually testified that this was true when he investigated it. He testified under oath, and I quote,


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[Assistant] When a beef bone or chine bone was turned out of the heap, there was a scramble for it, described like a parcel of dogs. And the man who got it was obliged to run away and hide it until he had an opportunity of eating the marrow.


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[Assistant] One man fetched two bones, which he had eaten that very morning in wet ashes. A portion of muscle very offensive was adhering to the ends of the bone.


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[Assistant] The med said that it was a considerable time before they could make up their minds to do so, but after they had once taken to it, they preferred that description of labor to any other because they could get bones to pick. Wow. This got everything moving because they were like, oh, this is not okay.


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[Assistant] Fighting for bones to crush so that they can hide some to eat the marrow and the rotting flesh off of them. Like fighting for sustenance.


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[Assistant] Now, but the problem was here that some of the players in this whole thing had a conflicting interest in keeping the Andover Workhouse as it was. Eventually the inquiry into this mistreatment and torture of inmates was just dropped. Just dropped.


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[Assistant] But luckily this did make people look closely at what the fuck was happening here. Uh, the Poor Law Commission was basically running itself and had no parliamentary oversight at all.


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[Assistant] Now during the investigation, Home Secretary Sir James Graham was found to have basically told the commissioners to get the whole Andover scandal quieted and concluded quickly. He was like, just make it go away. All of this led to a committee, uhm,


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[Assistant] They were horrified at the findings. This horror and mistreatment unfortunately ended up being an almost across the board situation when they started looking into other workhouses as well. They completely dismantled the poor law commission at this time and changed it into a board that would have to have parliament oversight.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they didn't want them to breed more poor people. That's what their reasoning was, that they would openly say. So fucked.


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[Assistant] Wild. So, so this is why we're gonna, now we're gonna go back to the separation from, uh, Polly's husband. Okay.


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[Assistant] So after the separation from her husband, he allowed, um, nickels five pence per, or five shillings per week, excuse me, which was actually required by law of him.


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[Assistant] Once you separated from your spouse, like the husband would have to pay a weekly allowance. It's like a uhm, what's that called?


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[Assistant] Uh, I know what you're talking about, but my brain won't think of it. It just is. So you just, you pay him money. So, there you go, that's what it is. Now at the time of her death, he said he had not seen her in about three years. Oh wow.


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[Assistant] Now in 1882, he found out through some channels that she had been living life as a sex worker since their separation, and so he said, I'm not paying anymore. So he stopped paying the weekly allowance.


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[Assistant] You would go to if you were living in that workhouse and they were able to then summons William to come testify as to why he stopped paying her weekly allowance.


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[Assistant] But after a bunch of witnesses were asked to testify about her quote unquote street life and a quote unquote a moral character, the guardians agreed with William's reasoning for stopping his required payment and that was it.


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[Assistant] A seven year old boy named Charlie Chaplin would show up at the door of Lambeth's workhouse with his mother and brother after their father abandoned them.


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[Assistant] Yeah. What? They found themselves on very hard times after his dad had abandoned the family. Yes, that Charlie Chaplin lived at Lambeth Workhouse for a spell.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so by this time William had actually moved on with Rosetta.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I knew that all along. She was pregnant with his child. Fuck William. She bounced again around to different workhouses and lodging houses and in 1886 her brother Edward actually died from a fire. He died in a fire. His funeral was the last time her father saw Polly alive. That's so sad. In 1886.


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[Assistant] It's just really bad. So in 1887, she had been kicked out of a living situation she had for a little bit of a time with a man named Thomas Drew. Uh, they had lived together for a little bit, but she started drinking again. He got tired of it and kicked her out.


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[Assistant] It was October, but she had to sleep outside in Trafalgar Square.


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[Assistant] After a bit of time there, on October 29th, 1887, a bunch of people were arrested in the square. I found an article in the People's Newspaper from the time listed it in, uh, listed them under the headline, Trafalgar Square Vagrants.


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[Assistant] And said Nichols and five men and two other women were arrested there and charged with quote, sleeping in the open air and wandering without visible means.


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[Assistant] But Nichols is stated in the article to be quote, the worst woman in the square and labeled quote, very disorderly. Oh man. She was however released on her own recognizance.


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[Assistant] Uh, she went before the magistrate and was let off with a warning, but was forced to go back to Lambeth Workhouse. So she went back to her old stomping ground at Lambeth, but only lasted 10 days before being kicked out of there. Oh my goodness. As we will see, a lot of these women are very feisty.


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[Assistant] Very fiery women, they had to be. Well that's what I was going to say, it sounds like they didn't have a choice. There's a lot of getting kicked out of places, there's a lot of brawling, there's a lot of real tough lifestyle because they had to. Because it's fighting to stay alive. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Now here's another interesting tidbit, we're going to be full of those during this, uh, it's an interesting time. So at this time, rooms for lodging were anywhere from six to seven pence usually, like that's what you would pay for one room for one night. And you had to share with multiple other people, and like I said before, you left the next morning. But.


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[Assistant] There were a couple of things you could do if you paid less than that and they were pretty awful.


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[Assistant] For one pence homeless people could enter some lodging houses and sit on a bench all night, but they were not allowed to sleep. You could sit up and awake on a bench all night.


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[Assistant] For two pence, they could do something called a two penny hangover, which meant you could sit on the bench in a row next to other two pences, like a whole row of them, and they would string a rope in front of all of you and you could hang over that rope to sleep. But you could only sleep if you were slung over that rope.


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[Assistant] The fuck is history? And a lot of people think the term hangover came from that.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, I mean that makes sense. So for fourpence there were things called coffins that you could sleep in. Legit, you slept in a wooden box with a tarp over it.


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[Assistant] And it would have a ton of bugs and shit in it. It was, cause it was not protected from the elements. It was just like in a wooden box as essentially a coffin.


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[Assistant] She finally stumbled into Mitcham Workhouse in Holborn and on January 4th, 1888.


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[Assistant] At the time, she had a nasty cough and was very ill after sleeping outside in December, so then when she came into the workhouse, they sent her right to the infirmary. Okay. Because they did have infirmaries here. Okay, that's good. Uhm, I'm shocked. Yeah, I know. She spent a good amount of time there and in April, she was sent back to Lambeth because that was her home parish.


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[Assistant] And apparently, Holborn didn't want to pay to take care of her in their parish anymore.


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[Assistant] She did pretty well this time around and the matron of Lambeth Workhouse actually ended up recommending her for a job working as a domestic servant for a couple, Francis and Martha Cowdrey, who lived in a newly built home called Ingleside in Wandsworth Common. This is beautiful looking like brownstone kind of thing.


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[Assistant] On May 12th, 1888, she left Lambeth and took this opportunity. So Martha and Francis, according to her, she wrote letters to her father explaining this, were very kind to her. Good. They were good people. I'm getting excited and I know what happens. I know and it's like a really bad ending. But they expected her to work very hard.


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[Assistant] She was the only quote unquote servant in the home and she was like, she was the only person on staff.


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[Assistant] She was expected to cook, clean, keep the fires going, keep the chimneys clean, polish silver, run errands, do sewing work, needlepoint


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[Assistant] Litter, laundry, every, she was run the house. The type of shit that will make you go crazy. Yeah. It seemed for a while that she would at least attempted to throw herself into this kind of life. She was like, you know what, maybe this is my chance.


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[Assistant] She wrote a letter to him and said, you know, like, I'm really going to try to get this going. I think this is my opportunity.


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[Assistant] And again, it was hard work, but it looked, it was looked at as honest work and she was looking, you know, I'm going to get myself up in the ranks of society. Unfortunately, this life was not for Polly.


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[Assistant] I imagine, again, I have not been in this position, so I cannot say for sure. I imagine after you have gotten used to that kind of fight or flight existence.


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[Assistant] Settling to this and doing the same thing each day and every day and then just sitting by yourself too.


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[Assistant] Must be lonely and must be a very hard transition to go through because other, she was never alone in the streets and on these workhouses and lodging houses. She had people around her. She had people that she knew. She at least had people that were friends of hers. She's really alone here, so.


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[Assistant] Who knows though, she just, two months after, up and left.


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[Assistant] She didn't know where to go or what to do at this point, so she turned back to sex work. She obviously had stopped while she was living with the Cowdries, but this was all she could do at this point. She could manage to stay at some lodging homes or dos houses on both Thrall Street and Flower and Dean Streets around this time.


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[Assistant] But apparently, according to the hidden lives of Jack the Ripper victims,


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[Assistant] Thrall Street was so dangerous that this was the street that police would only walk in, uhm, I think groups of threes.


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[Assistant] Basically, uhm, and again, you could get some of these for four pence, three pence if you shared, and even two pence at the time, but that was rare.


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[Assistant] These were not you getting a room, it was you getting a bed. Yea, it's like a shelter. It was literally like, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like a hostel kind of thing, like we're all staying in the same kind of, but like a really gnarly hostel. Yikes. Uhm, you would all be staying in the same room. It was rough. Now,


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[Assistant] Between August 24th and August 30th of 1888, Polly definitely had a room at White House, which was at 56 Flower and Dean Streets in Spittlefields.


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[Assistant] At this time, she was sharing a room at 18 Thrall Street in Spittlefields with a woman named Ellen Holland.


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[Assistant] Now, August 30th, 1888, witnesses saw Polly leaving the frying pan, which was a pub that a lot of people frequented at the time. Uh, she left around 12.30 a.m. and at 1.30-ish in the morning, witnesses saw her try to enter the Doss house.


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[Assistant] That she had been staying at, but the owner said, no way, because she didn't have her four pence. And again, she'd been staying there for a while, but they did not give you that, like, yes.


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[Assistant] She was heard laughing in his face and saying quote, and this is a quote that


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[Assistant] Is like across the board that people said they heard. She said quote, I'll soon get my DOS money. See what a jelly bonnet I've got now. And she was showcasing a black velvet bonnet that appeared to be new.


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[Assistant] But it was like, I guess it was like uhm, it had like the, almost that wicker look on part of it, but it was black velvet on the inside and it was black, like that wicker stuff. Right, right.


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[Assistant] Now, a bit after this, she ran into Ellen, who was her roommate at that Doss house, uhm, she ran into her around Osborne Street, and they just chatted for a bit.


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[Assistant] Ellen said Polly seemed very happy, very drunk. And Ellen was like, Hey, like, why don't you come back to the Doss house with me? Like you need to get off the street. And Polly responded, quote, I've had my lodging money three times today and I've spent it at the frying pan or the 10 bells. I won't be long before I'm back.


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[Assistant] And she was like, okay. So she left Ellen towards Whitechapel Road. Her plans were very clear. She was going to get a client, make her four pence, and she was gonna head back to the DOS. That's what she told Ellen.


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[Assistant] It was a very short time later, around 3.45am, that Polly Nichols was found brutally murdered on the street in Bucksrow White Chapel.


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[Assistant] Now, after the initial examination after she was found, the doctor on scene ordered that she be taken to the mortuary that would be for the workhouses. Mortuaries were definitely not the works of today.


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[Assistant] So they waited and they left her there before, they just left her in the open, before summoning two workhouse inmates, quote unquote, that's what they would call workhouse people. So it was prison. Basically, to come and move her. So they were like,


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[Assistant] Like next to a workhouse basically. Uh, there she was stripped of all of her clothing and while this was happening, they noticed that besides the gaping and obvious neck wound that they saw, there was a hidden and rather large and very jagged gash on the lower side of her, lower left side of her abdomen. Her intestines were literally spilling out of this wound.


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[Assistant] Now according to the complete Jack the Ripper by Donald Rumbelow, quote, the abdomen had been cut open from the center of the bottom of the ribs along the right side, under the pelvis to the left of the stomach. There the wound was jagged.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of shit that you're gonna hear, and these, they are gruesome, they are graphic, I'm gonna give it all to you, so just know that ahead of time. Uh, there's a lot of like, you know, what appears to be sexual mutilation and brutality, so just so you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, obviously, uhm, there were several incisions made in her abdomen, many of them were very deep.


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[Assistant] When she was moved to take off her clothing, they saw that blood had soaked her clothes and the pavement beneath her. Immediately they thought, uhm, that this weapon was a blade around six to eight inches long and they believed it could have been something like a shoemaker's knife.


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[Assistant] Marianne Monk, who was Polly's friend who identified her, was also the one who connected police with Polly's father and husband.


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[Assistant] She was like, you should probably let them know. Now William, her estranged husband,


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[Assistant] Exactly. Now this case was already flummoxing because she was laid right out in the open and also right under the windows of two women who were Mrs. Green and Mrs. Perkus who were both home and at least one of them was awake at the time of the murder.


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[Assistant] And nobody heard anything. So this killer must have been fast and must have been efficient to sever that windpipe so quickly. So that she couldn't scream. To render her silent while he mutilated her. Right. Now Thursday, September 6th, 1888 was Pauly's funeral. William paid for it, but did not come. Six years later, he married Rosetta.


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[Assistant] I'm done. Six years later. I'm done with Rosetta. Yeah. I mean, six years later at least, he didn't just like run out and marry her, but like that's a thing. That is a thing. That is a thing.


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[Assistant] Now interestingly, like I said, they were at a loss because this man or group of people, they were pretty sure it was one man, uh, had done this quickly, very efficiently and was able to run away without being seen and would have been covered in blood, at least on his hands. But who wasn't?


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[Assistant] But we have a couple of other murder victims that I mentioned before, before Mary Ann Nichols that made investigators quirk their eyebrows a bit and wonder if they were connected.


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[Assistant] What we are trying, so what a lot of people who look into this case say is they believe there are 11 murders that people end up trying to connect together. I didn't realize there was 11. Yeah, they try to form those together with the canonical five and this is one of them.


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[Assistant] So there is hot debate about whether there were two victims before Nichols that seemed to be connected or just one.


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[Assistant] Or any before her at all. I am on the, uh, none before her at all. Oh, okay. So you don't think, you think she is definitely Jax first? I believe she's the first one that we know about, but if I find another one, I will eat my hat.


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[Assistant] So the Newcastle Chronicle and then the Hull Daily Mail wrote articles claiming that there were six Whitechapel murders.


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[Assistant] As we know, canonical five. Uh, Emma was the first that they cite this woman named Emma.


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[Assistant] So they were at least at the time claiming that she was part of this canonical set. They looked at her as part of this five. Okay. Uhm, we know the name of one victim for sure was Emma Elizabeth Smith. This is one of the victims that they tried to claim.


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[Assistant] She was attacked April 3rd, 1888, which was only a few months before Polly. She was 45 at the time of her death and was working as a sex worker at the time and was living in a Doss house at 18 George Street, Spittlefields.


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[Assistant] Not a lot is known about her, but she's often described as a widow who had two adult children. She had a tendency to drink a lot and when she did, she often got herself into fights. She was seen many times with black eyes and other injuries, which she would say was because of a bar fight or a fight in the street over some silly nonsense.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was 12, 15 a.m. April 3rd that her friend and fellow lodger at the Doss House, Margaret Hayes or Haymes, different and different sources, uhm,


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[Assistant] Margaret saw her speaking to a man dressed in a black suit with a white handkerchief around his neck.


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[Assistant] She said he was average to medium build and unfortunately she could not identify him if she had seen him. She was like, I don't think I could pick him out of a lineup to be honest.


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[Assistant] Which like good for her for being honest. Yeah, I know. I'm just like sorry, I can't do that. We appreciate it. You know, she was seen speaking to this man in the area of Farrant Street, Limehouse. It was shortly after this that something terrible happened to Emma. She survived it.


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[Assistant] But she was badly injured. Oh shit. Yeah. Uh, so around four or five in the morning, she now, she initially survived it is what I should say.


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[Assistant] She saw her face was a bloody mess and her ear had almost been completely cut off.


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[Assistant] She told her that she had been beaten, raped, and robbed on her way home to Osborne Street. She said she was in a lot of pain in her lower half of her body, and with that she was taken to London Hospital.


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[Assistant] This is where it's really bad, and I'm going to warn you ahead of time.


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[Assistant] It was found that she had walked a quarter of a mile to the lodging home from where she was attacked by herself. It had taken her four hours.


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[Assistant] It was discovered by Dr. George Haslip who was the surgeon on duty when she arrived at the hospital that aside from her facial injuries, she was suffering from incredibly horrific internal damage because a blunt instrument had been forcibly inserted into her vagina.


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[Assistant] Hard enough to cut the perineum, which is the skin between the vagina and anus.


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[Assistant] Also the peritoneum had been ruptured. This is the tissue that lines the abdominal wall and also lines most of your internal organs. Oh my.


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[Assistant] She had torn a length of fabric from her shoulder strap and used it to hold between her legs and soak up the blood.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, she died the following day from secondary peritonitis, which is an infection and inflammation of the peritoneum from rupture.


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[Assistant] But before her death, she had told those around her what had happened to her. She was like, I gotta tell you what happened. Now, an inquest was ordered into her desk, uh, desk, death, April 7th, and apparently the police weren't even told about any of this until April 6th.


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[Assistant] So they didn't hear about this crime that had been committed against her until after. Right. So they already lost a ton of investigation time. Right. Now according to the inquest of which the transcript was posted in the Times in April 1888,


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[Assistant] Mr. Wynn E. Baxter, the East Middlesex Coroner, held an inquiry on Saturday, the 7th of April at the London hospital and it says, respecting the death of Emma Elizabeth Smith, age 45, a widow, lately living at 18 George Street Spittlefields, who it is alleged had been murdered.


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[Assistant] Chief Inspector West of the H Division of Police attended for the Commissioners of Police.


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[Assistant] It says Mr. George Haslip, house surgeon, stated that when the deceased was admitted to the hospital, she had been drinking, but was not intoxicated. She was bleeding from the head and ear and had other injuries of a revolting nature.


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[Assistant] Witnesses found that she was suffering from rupture of the peritoneum.


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[Assistant] She crossed the street to avoid them, but they followed, assaulted her, took all the money she had, and then committed the outrage. She was unable to say what kind of instrument was used, nor could she describe her assailants, except that she said that one of the youths was of 19 years old.


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[Assistant] Death ensured on Wednesday morning, April 4th through peritonitis set up by the injuries. It says Chief Inspector West, H division stated that he had no official information on the suspect and was only aware of the case through the daily papers.


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[Assistant] He had questioned the constables on the beat, but none of them appeared to know anything about the matter.


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[Assistant] The coroner said that from the medical evidence, which must be true, it was clear that the woman had been barbariously murdered. It was impossible to imagine a more brutal and dastardly assault, and he thought the ends of justice would be better met by the jury recording their verdict at once than by adjourning to some future date in the hope of having more evidence brought before them.


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[Assistant] When police did investigate the scene and the crime, it was tough because again, it was reported days after.


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[Assistant] When they looked at the scene they found there was no blood on the pavement, so they assumed her clothing and especially the cloth she ripped from her shoulder strap had soaked it all up.


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[Assistant] They had no physical descriptions of the men or man other than the notion that she kinda believed one of them was around 19 years old. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I think that most of the time when there was any kind of robbing associated with the Jack the Ripper case, it was, uh, fake, staged. Or just, it just, I don't know, it doesn't ring true to me and I don't think he would leave a victim alive.


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[Assistant] He's too efficient and he's too quick. He's too, as we'll see, most of these, some of them are done in under 15 minutes. I mean, they're, and he severs the windpipe. He severs the windpipe so no noise happens and so that you bleed out. He wants that carotid artery done.


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[Assistant] So that he can just do his, he likes to do the mutilations post-mortem. So.


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[Assistant] I don't think it fits. I don't think so either. I don't think Jack the Ripper is men. I think it's a man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the thing. It just doesn't feel the same to me. Uh, but I mean, that's just my opinion. Now, there is one mythical type case that doesn't really have a name attached to it. It's like an unknown victim. And this is before Emma's murder, around October or Christmas in 1887, so the year before.


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[Assistant] Maybe Halloween, maybe Christmas. Well cause we don't even know if this happened. It might just be a total mythical thing. It's just like a rumor. But I had to look into it cause it is mentioned so often that I was like, there has to be something here.


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[Assistant] So it's an unknown woman who is also said to be found on Osborne Street or around Osborne Street.


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[Assistant] She was later referred to as Fairy Faye, that was her nickname. But in an article in the New York Tribune, so another country, remember, we're over here now, uh, so take this with a giant grain of salt, cause news is like a giant telephone, uh, as we all know, uh, it said this.


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[Assistant] The history of the reign of terror, which now paralyzes all London with the panic of fear, reaches back for a year. The mutilators first, cause that's what they used to call this, the mutilation series and him the mutilator. Yikes. The mutilators first success was achieved early in the month of October, 1887.


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[Assistant] When in the dark hours of the morning, the fright, frightfully lacerated body of a woman was found lying in the passageway of a narrow alley in the immediate vicinity of Bishop's gate street East.


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[Assistant] The victim was an elderly woman, gin-soaked, degraded, and lost. No one appeared to be aware of her real name. Her friends, if any, had long ago disappeared. She stood alone among her kind, a homeless, shameless wanderer.


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[Assistant] That's, so that kind of thing, that kind of statement, that kind of description of this particular case is mentioned in a lot of newspapers.


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[Assistant] Reports of it in the year 1887, there might be some.


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[Assistant] Right. But it's just interesting. You have to wonder too, like, was that a filler article? Yea, you don't know. Well that's the thing, they're in a lot of newspapers though. And in London. She's mentioned that that case is mentioned in a lot of different newspapers.


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[Assistant] We jumbled Emma into another fictional victim just because of the hype, I can get that. Uhm, but then I came across, cause I was like really obsessed with this, and I really went crazy one night, and I came across this parliamentary debate from November 14th, 1888, where a guy named Mr. Pickergill,


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[Assistant] He's like talking about Sir Charles Warren, who was, this is really funny, Sir Charles Warren, I had to talk to John about this because he was a criminal justice major too.


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[Assistant] He was an answer to many of my criminal justice tests in college. Like as soon as I saw that name, I was like, oh that guy. So what they're doing in this debate, he talks about the Metropolitan Police Force and how he is running it amid what they refer to as


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[Assistant] Two, at least, of the murders in the East End did not belong to what we might perhaps call the mutilation series. So long ago, as Christmas week last, a woman was murdered in the streets of Whitechapel, and again on Easter Tuesday, another unfortunate woman, while passing by Whitechapel Church, was done to death by a gang of three men.


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[Assistant] In 1888, talking about Emma and talking about one other case that happened sometime around Christmas the year before.


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[Assistant] And this also illustrates how people in the press were likely trying to connect these murders to Jack the Ripper at the time, but even they state that it was, like even the parliament debate, they're stating these are clearly not connected, but instead just show how terribly dangerous the East End was at the time. So as far back as then, they were being like,


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[Assistant] No, I don't think these two are part of the mutilation series. I think they're just showing how shitty things are and how we're not investigating these crimes properly.


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[Assistant] So bringing us back to August 30th, there's also another woman named Martha, who is like the third one after Emma, I believe.


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[Assistant] There were cries for justice and the police wanted a suspect. Obviously they began speaking to sex workers in the area and women who they would have, who would have been friends with the victim, um, to ask if they knew of any terrible men who could have done this. Like, have you run into any bad clients? Many of these women had one name to say and it was John or Jack Pizer.


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[Assistant] Better known for his nickname, Leather Apron.


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[Assistant] What? He was a boot finisher, which is why he often wore a leather apron, and that's what they called him. That sounds so intense. I'm a boot finisher. I'm a boot finisher. He was a true asshole. He used sex workers, but also blackmailed them and physically assaulted them brutally. Fuck this guy. They were scared of him and conveyed this to the police.


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[Assistant] Inspector Joseph Hellson of Scotland Yards said quote, a man named Jack Pizer alias Leather Apron has for some considerable period been in the habit of ill-using and they referred to them as prostitutes.


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[Assistant] In this and other parts of the metropolis, he went on the on, uh, he actually went on the run when he heard that he was a person of interest.


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[Assistant] I will say right now, I don't believe Leather Apron is the guy. I don't think a lot of people believe Leather Apron is the guy. He's just an asshole. I'm sure some people do, but I do not.


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[Assistant] Now meanwhile, the police were a mess at this time. In August 1888, the head of the Criminal Investigation Department of the Metropolitan Police Force resigned right before Nichols was killed. So it was right before she was killed. The Criminal Investigation Department, or CID,


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[Assistant] Run by detective inspectors and their job was to investigate crimes that had already occurred as opposed to the other side of the Metropolitan Police Force.


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[Assistant] So the head of the criminal investigations department resigned right before Nichols was murdered and insteped a guy named Robert Anderson.