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[Assistant] We can see once we've kind of, um, once we got a bit of a list, we can kind of then like debate some of the placement. Um, but let, well, let's do Nocturnal now.


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[Assistant] Thieves Guild, Nightingales, Nightingale armor is really cool, uhm, but yeaah, I dunno, besides the sort of thief thing, I like, you know, skeleton key is really really cool as well. Yeaah, especially some of the more


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[Assistant] Yeah, and her talking ravens and stuff is cool, like her little talking crows and so on, like that's just a cool, like, aesthetic thing. She also has the most cleavage. Yep. It's good for thumbnails.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. But, uh, yeah, I guess Nocturnal, middle tier. Pretty con- pretty confirmed. Alright, so next one. Uh, let's do Hircine. Okay.


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[Assistant] He's also got a whole DLC for himself in Elder Scrolls 3 Blood Moon. Uh, we get a decent amount of exposure to him. But, uh.


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[Assistant] I don't know, there's cool stuff like Hunter and so on, but you know what's still a kind of a basic theme? Like it's cool, it's all really cool, but it's nothing, uhm...


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[Assistant] It doesn't really apply to a lot of things outside of that sphere, you know what I mean? Like it's very just like, oh, hunters and the whole, which is very important.


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[Assistant] Maybe there's a few of them and I don't know if like Sheogorath's one is his, it could be easily.


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[Assistant] I remember for writing the Reachman lore video, there was a really cool


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[Assistant] Uh, there was a really cool book and it was about, it was just, it was just in reference to him and it was talking about all of like, Hercene's holy aspects and there was all like, there was like the aspect of, of the hunter which is sort of him with a spear and then there was like a,


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure it was like a bear one and I think even a hare, like a, there was basically a few different things and one of them was like a werebeast or something, but there are, there are some really cool pieces with her scene. Her scene doesn't, like it's cool because the Reachmen are one of the few, I think, cultures that sort of have him


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But yeaah, I think he's a pretty firm middle tier despite, I mean he's got a sick aesthetic appeal.


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[Assistant] Like, I just think like that, I prefer, there's depictions of him in ESO with like a proper deer's head, but I do like the bone deer head better, I think. But uhm, yeah, so her scene there, alright, let's... So, what else we got?


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, that's fair. Bring it in. I mean, you also get a lot of interaction with him. Uhm, and knowledge is really cool. Yeaah. Like, uhm...


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[Assistant] But yeaah. I, I personally, I'd put him top tier. I think. And black box and stuff, yeaah, it's cool. I guess, I guess maybe I'm just sort of like,


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[Assistant] Let's discuss Boethiah then. Let's discuss Boethiah. Cause, Drew, make your case for putting him in the top tier versus middle.


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[Assistant] I mean, I kind of, I'm biased because I like all of, anything Dunmer related and Boethius, hugely important to Veloth and all that are really, it's hard for me to sort of tear up the good Daedra. Well, I mean, I'll have to-


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[Assistant] I think it was, uh, I think it's sometimes there is a bit of a weird stuff. I think it's both Mephalo and Boethiah in different instances are credited with the formation of the great houses, though I think it is.


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[Assistant] I would give credit to my father anyway. I think Azura was behind the, the, like the idea of the changed ones.


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[Assistant] Well, I could throw in this for you is uhm, they do, it was, that uhm, they believe Azura is their god ancestor who taught the Kaima how to be different from the Ultima. Though some of those can be attributed to Boethia and other texts and so on. I feel like it's a bit of a communal job with that, like they're all uhm,


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[Assistant] As a little exercise to sort of, I guess that's unfair though, they would knock out my file or two, but, like, how is Boethiah outside of the Dark Elf stuff? I mean, she created the orc, it's pretty, pretty, uhm, important. She created the orcs, really, inadvertently.


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[Assistant] Like by consuming Trinamac and pooping him out. And that, you know, some say that's a super literal take, but it's my take.


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[Assistant] Ebony Mail 2 is really cool. I like actually one thing that makes Boethia more interesting is I like that in that whole Trinimax story, uhm, she's kind of like defending Lorcan's honor, like sort of seems to like Lorcan and like be


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[Assistant] Um, and that's one of the reasons for, um, screwing over Trinamac because of the watch. I think, I can't remember the quote exactly, but it's something along the lines of, um, the lies that Trinamac was spreading about Lorcan. Something like that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, if you think, um, uh, but if you think in Oblivion, like if you would actually like break down the quests, for example, in Oblivion, and even Skyrim, they're not-


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[Assistant] That crazy good, like go into an arena, fight a bunch of people, you know, go kill this, what elf dude in, in uhm, in the,


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[Assistant] Has some cool Khajiit, um, lore too, which is, I'm actually less familiar with. Uhm, but I love the, uh, Boethra, warrior of the east and west, I love that sharp-tongued Khajiiti deity and ancestor spirit and teacher of old ways, she is the mate of Mephala. Uhm, but, uh,


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[Assistant] Additionally, Khajiit will not speak her name on the nights of the Ghost Moon, nights in which it is said Boethra wears the Death Shroud of Lorcaj and wages war beyond the lattice.


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[Assistant] I've actually really got it because that's the newest elsewhere ESO sort of stuff.


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[Assistant] Gotta really look into that, I reckon we should make a video on that, do a bit of research, but actually there's a lot of cool expansion.


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[Assistant] I'm struggling like, I mean it's cool to put them in the top-


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[Assistant] Finally enough, and I, and I think Drew will think this is really cool cause I actually used to think it was more typical, Meryn's Dagon, but when you look into Meryn's Dagon, he's really, really, really cool. And I, I thought you were about to say Meryn's Dagon, so I was geared up ready to go like, yeah, let's go Meryn's Dagon. And it's like, no, it's like, yeah, I kind of agree.


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[Assistant] His, his overall sphere has more character to it. There's different things, like it's not just the destruction, but the whole revolution thing is a really vital component of him. But let's, um, so basically I think we've got five more. Um, we can put another one in the middle tier if you want, or we could just kind of like,


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[Assistant] Settle it. Does this, we'll have to say, let's list off the last ones remaining and say, does this sound top tier or would you put one in the bottom? So Azura, Himeosmora, Meirin's Dagon, Mafala, and Sheogorath.


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[Assistant] Yep. Alright, let's, um, let's make sure we've kind of, we'll go into these a bit more, um, and make sure we've got, uh,


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[Assistant] I mean, I've never personally played Battlespy, but I get the gist of it, but uhm, and obviously Oblivion as well.


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[Assistant] And you've got all the mythic dawn commentaries, which adds heaps to them. The whole, um, the whole magnet, the whole idea that he's birthed in League.


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[Assistant] But I'm created by the Magnege first as a, um, as this being of like hope and revolution. And I'm pretty sure, um, Drew, correct me if I'm wrong, it's to overthrow the, um, Dreg Tyrants at that time. And that's what he was designed with. He's kind of almost like a super weapon-y kind of vibe thing.


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[Assistant] It's kind of the underdog kind of thing in the revolution, like, but he can be, you know, your enemy or your best friend, but like from some perspectives, if you didn't like the empire and you didn't like the current sort of


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[Assistant] Go with Tamriel in the time of the Oblivion Crisis then he's appealing and that's how all those Mythic Dawn came about because they were promised sort of like this new realm where he combines them and like I'll read the, it's the Mythic Dawn Commentaries 4.


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[Assistant] I'll try and get through, uhm, Mundex, uh, Mundex Tureen, which...


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[Assistant] Give my soul to the Magnege, sayeth- Okay, hold on, I'll- I'll- Basically, Mehrunes- For they created Mehrunes the Razor in secret, in the very bowels of Ligg, the domain of the upstart who vanishes.


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[Assistant] A great rebellion rose up and pulled down the towers of Kim El Gajig. And the Templars of the Upstart were slaughtered.


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[Assistant] Look, there's a lot of poetic stuff here, but essentially he rose up and helped, uhm, depose the drag kings.


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[Assistant] And I like too that, that, that, those Tyrant Dread Kings are referenced in the 36 Lessons of Vivec as well, in all of the Dunmer mythology as well, like separate. So, it kind of, to me, it kind of, um,


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[Assistant] Leads me to believe that there were these tyrant drag kings of lig and stuff like that, but


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[Assistant] The other thing that really sells me on Meren's Dagon is in the Dunmer mythology, he's one of the Four Corners of the House of Troubles, and there's just, like, he embodies all of


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[Assistant] So the four corners of the House of Troubles are Malacath, Meryn's, Dagon, Molag, Baal, and Sheogorath, and each of them represent sort of


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[Assistant] Trials or challenges, so Moloch Baal is always looking out to like, corrupt the Dunmer bloodlines, like vampirism, et cetera, et cetera.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Sheogorath's trying to turn them all insane and challenging the mind. Uh, Malekath is, uh, the physical test, like sending the orcs and all that kind of stuff. And then Mehran's Dagon's sort of like the terrain, the inhospitable terrain of...


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[Assistant] Uh, Morrowind and that's kind of what he represents. But there's this really cool story where Vivec is in his giant form and he's fighting Mehrunes Dagon and they're having this big clash and their battles actually create...


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[Assistant] Oh star, hold on, wait, I'm just making sure I'm not confusing the West gash. That might be, I'm the ruddy man, actually, regardless.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, uhm, so ba-basically Meirin's Dagon has a big fight, and I remember that he was- he disarmed Meirin's Dagon or something, and then Vivek-


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[Assistant] Uhm, basically waited for him to get his sword back or basically did this chivalrous act because he didn't want to fight an unarmed opponent. Uhm, and then that's why the Dramora...


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[Assistant] Well, that's, no, that's separate. That's when, that's when, yea, Mairon's Daegon gets summoned up and he destroys Mornmold once, but then Sotha's Seal and Amalexia stop him.


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[Assistant] That's a separate one, but to quickly talk about the ruddy man, uhm, that's another cool Molag Bal story. I still think he's middle tier, but to a little bit more, uhm, development is, uhm, Molag Bal was said to be the king of the treks.


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[Assistant] The chief of the Draggs, uhm, and he was, he was, I can't remember if he was killed in a battle or something went down, but basically his carapace, uhm, fell when he was killed as the chief of the Draggs, his carapace fell down onto the land and so on, and a Dunmer boy,


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[Assistant] Came along and found the carapace and wore it, but then that turned him into the ruddy man.


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[Assistant] Which is this like big terrible monster, beast and so on. And I'm pretty sure, and then he had a fight with Vivek and Vivek beat him, but it created the West Gash, which is an area of Vvardenfell.


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[Assistant] And uhm, and basically that even there, apparently like today, you can hear like the, the sounds of, of Vex Blades scraping against the chitinous carapace of the ruddy man. And, and in the ESO Morrowind DLC, there was, uhm,


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[Assistant] I think it was called the Ruddy Broodmother or something like that. Just another sort of connection there. But Merlach Bell has cool stuff too, but I still think Meryn's Dagon, his whole Mythic Dawn, like getting into the Mythic Dawn.


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[Assistant] This is about, and even to just add on that Battlespire stuff too is like this, in that time he was helping, um, Jaegar Tharn with that whole, like, getting thrown, like, for the events of Arena, like Battlespires around then.


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[Assistant] But uhm, yeaah, it's just cool, like, and that's another sort of form of revolution, like he really tries and screws the empire twice in like the third, uhm, in the third era. But yeaah, he's got uhm, and also there's the Mysterium Zarks, he's tome written by him.


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[Assistant] But uh, yeaah, I think he's, he's not the top, but he's definitely in the top tier. He's not like, the best, but I reckon...


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[Assistant] Yeah, we, we don't need to order them perfectly. I feel like once we get to the top three, so if we have to have like kind of a top three out of the top tier to really discuss, what would we, um, what would we do for the next one? So you kind of have, um, Hamaeus Mora, Azura, um, Mephala and Sheogorah.


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[Assistant] Do you want, do you want to get the big one out of the room? Cause I kind of want to talk about it, but like, I think.


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[Assistant] Sheogorath's really cool, but he's overrated. I really like, I, he's not my subjective top and I know he's heaps of people's favorite, but just to give my case, I think Sheogorath himself, he's cooler in the stories, but a lot of him is meme value. It's like, oh, I'm so crazy. Ha ha cheese. Oh, so crazy. End.


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[Assistant] A lot of like why I love the Shivering Isles isn't because of Shagorath, it's because of his realm and the people in his realm. It's not so much him specifically.


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[Assistant] He's got some cool stories and stuff. I'm not as well read on his involvement in Dagger 4, which was also interesting because he was kind of tied up in the main quest line a little bit.


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[Assistant] Still, I just, I, I just think, especially considering his 4th era show, and like, it's cool that the champion of Cyrodiil mantles him, and kinda becomes him, but I feel like, kinda like Jiggalag, his,


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[Assistant] To me at least he's become more boring now that he's not. I liked his third era sort of incarnation when he was sort of alternating with Jiggalag versus him now as his separate.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it's where he gets a big edge because obviously that was one of the best DLCs of all time is his, his realm. And he has the Wabbajack and you know, and even like his whole, um, dynamic with Haskell and stuff like that. And just the kind of lore of the Shivering Isles in the world, it adds a lot more character to him.


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[Assistant] I'm really tempted to put him in the top three at least though, otherwise I'm just gonna be like, all the comments are gonna be like, Scott, you're such a dunma weeaboo. Like, how is he worse than Mafawa or Azura?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, and obviously she is, um, paramount to the whole Nerevarine prophecy and, and all of that. Um, and she's so involved in, in all of that, but it's kind of like, you know, the one, the,


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[Assistant] She, you know, she, she can be, uh, uh, a bit rude sometimes. I think she's overrated, personally. Sotha, Sotha still gave her the finger and, um, and then she turned an entire race into the Dark Elves. Well, I've got a quote


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[Assistant] I feel like I'm conflating her a lot with her followers, like Indoran Eravaz, he's cool to me and he's champion of Azura, but he's not really like embodying what Azura is and so.


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[Assistant] But, I think, I think we should probably, if anything, if we were to make a little swap, I reckon maybe even swap Azura and Boethiah. So, Boethiah from middle tier and a Boethiah into.


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[Assistant] I mean, she's also, she's, the other thing called the change, she's also attributed to changing, I'm pretty sure changing the Khajiit from elves into little cat people.


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[Assistant] So that's kinda cool, like she's changing all of these races and transforming them.


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[Assistant] I kind of feel like actually maybe putting, let's make the top tier just 4.


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[Assistant] I feel like that's just my, uh, my, my subjective. I mean, we've all got, it's all subjective, but we're trying to like, make it, uh, into a thing.


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[Assistant] But yea, my main reason for Mephala is basically she sets the foundation, through the Morag Tong, sets the foundation of a peaceful Dunmer society. Which I really like, which is basically giving, it's the whole idea of that alternative society that you've got.


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[Assistant] Where, where the Morag Tong doing these licenced murders and so on, it, it allows them to just...


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[Assistant] It's like that sort of, you know, the themes of how like a society is, you know, super great and everything, but you know, secretly the CIA are off assassinating things, doing all kinds of things. There's lots of dark and evil stuff happens to maintain a pleasant, good society. It's kind of her and Morag Tong.


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[Assistant] Is what they, they have to do to maintain. So there is an all out warfare and so on. And I love, um, I'll have to find some of my favorite quotes.


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[Assistant] And I love the idea too, I love the whole, the idea of that all mortal lives are on threads and so on and she's like the web spinner like, you know, plucking threads and doing all kinds of stuff and, and, and she's also associated with fate and stuff and,


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[Assistant] Because of that she's said to be the sibling of Hermes Mora, which is really cool as well. Uhm, but...


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[Assistant] I'm trying to find my favourite. Yeah, I just like, so.


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[Assistant] You know, as known in the West, Mephala is the demon of murder, sex and secrets. But all of these themes contain subtle aspects and violent ones. So there's like assassination and genocide, but then there's like courtship and then there's like orgy or like tact or poetic truths and just sort of like this kind of


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[Assistant] She paradoxically sort of contains all of these kind of-


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[Assistant] Themes, do you know what I mean? And then also it's kind of that her whole thing.


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[Assistant] By being the anticipation of Vivec, she's, she's very important to Vivec's character as well. Cause Mephala is like the, the primal darker side. Well, in their canon, in their, um, theology. She's the sort of darker part of Vivec. It's funny.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Oh, the ebony blade's sick as well. And the spider daedra and the spiders and all that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Apparently she's recognized as one of the strongest and recognizable spirits that emerged soon after Akatosh formed in Time Began.


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[Assistant] But uhm, that's, yeaah, so she's basically responsible, along with Boethia, but for the foundation of Morrowind.


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[Assistant] She's the clan mother of dark secrets and the recorder of hidden guilt and eternal shame.


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[Assistant] Uhm, she's the, uh, but apparently she fell out of favor during an event known as the Sin of Suicides, but I think that's just from a loading screen, so it's not, uhm.


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[Assistant] Talked about a lot, but I do- I like- I like the- I really like the secrets and lies and betrayal element of her, and I like that, like, extra part of the hidden guilt and eternal shame, but I like how she kind of-


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[Assistant] encapsulates like the darker parts of a society and so on and all of those kinds of things. Like, you know, even like when betrayals happening and so on, you could connect it to.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, she was also an ESO Somerset, but I'm not, uhm, but she got screwed over.


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[Assistant] It depends on the mood you're in, like I know like sometimes I've, like sometimes I vibe into mirror heaps, but like it just depends on the mood, but I guess...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I mean, really to me, honestly, my favorite isn't even exactly this, cause it would be more along the lines of, I'd probably just put the good Daedra at the top, like I don't know, like I really like them and their thing, but uhm, I mean, I do like, I would, I think I might even put Meryn's Dagon first.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if it was me out of these three, I wouldn't.


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[Assistant] I guess Sheogorath second then Hameus Mora. Like, I don't hate, like, I definitely don't hate Sheogorath.


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[Assistant] I would just get called a dunma file cause I just, I would just put the good danger at the top of it. Like if I'm actually trying, if we're trying to have like a more of a fudge muppet list, I would.


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[Assistant] I just can't put Shagor at the top for me, bro. I just can't. Meirin's Dagon, I think. Cause Hermesmora's like, yeah, cool knowledge and tentacles and he's got the Seekers are really cool, Ogmofinium's all really cool.


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[Assistant] But I just think that Mehrunes Dagon has like cooler interactions in history. Hermeus Mora kind of doesn't. He has some with like being like known as the woodland man.


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[Assistant] And connected to some sort of Atmorin stuff. That's pretty cool, but.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I mean, he's also the most intimately connected with the entire theme of oblivion, which is like chaos and change. So by revolution being like a, you know, and I mean,


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[Assistant] If you take outside of the typical kind of stuff, like the Deadlands is a pretty sick looking place, like I remember playing it back in the day and being like, I'm in a demon realm, it's the most like, you know what I mean? And a Dramora is sick.


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[Assistant] But, it depends when, but if I was going 4th era, he no longer has the connection to Jigglelack too, and Jigglelack and the Grey March is kind of all not a thing anymore because they're completely separate entities, and then I kind of like-


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[Assistant] Because Sheogorath, because, because before, at least the way I understand it is that, that Sheogorath was never a thing. He was the curse of Jiggalag. He's like the nuts part of Jiggalag. But what happened is, that nuts part.


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[Assistant] Was then mantled by the champion of Cyrodiil separately and then you have Jiggalag is now free.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, I don't know, I would, I would, I, like, the shivering aisles is the big part, obviously, that pushes him up, but.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I, I just sort of, I even think like the whole cult, like the Mythic Dawn and their armor and stuff and their whole, like all of their philosophy, their book and Menka Kameron is such a cool dude, like they're not directly him, but you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] If we're to give people a satisfying answer, I think, Drew, you're gonna have to be, like, the, the decider here of the number one.


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[Assistant] They're in stake on, and I would say Shogorath second. It's Shogorath over Humeus Mora. Yeah, me too. And you'd say, so then that's two against one for Shogorath second and then Humeus Mora third.


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[Assistant] Who, uh, last thing, we'll, we'll gotta wrap this up, but who, who is your absolute subjective? Like at least most interested in, even if I had to-


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[Assistant] Alright, here's a more fun question. Favorite of the bottom tier, and then we'll end the episode. Remind me the bottom tier.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I can come up with a straight answer, but mine would either be, I think, Namira or Meridia.


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[Assistant] Meridia because of all the a-lit involvement and stuff like that. I would probably actually go Meridia.


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[Assistant] But Nomura's a close second out of that bottom tier, but yeaah. What about you Moira?


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[Assistant] Hey man, welcome to management, this is my realm and uh, you know, this is Shreen here and uh, you know, she's the receptionist. Gotta get coffee. And she'll get well acquainted with a Jadiner over here. And set a loading screen.


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[Assistant] Alright, well, I think that wraps it up. I think that's it. Meirin's Daigo on the top. Daedra, that's our subjective favourite. If you were to go from a consensus amongst us. But, uh, yeaah, there you go. We had a bit of a fun one.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this time around, cause we wanted to discuss, we were going to go into a sp-particular Daedric Prince, but then we couldn't really decide on what, so we can kind of like, put this out here and now you guys might get inspired by like all, which one I wanna see more dedicated episodes to, but, we'll go in, we'll probably go in on a, a more, uh, deeper lore discussion, uh, next time around, but, uh, yeaah. Hope you all enjoyed. Subscribe. Like.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet, this is the Elder Scrolls Podcast, I'm Scott, I'm here with Michael and Drew, and today we are ranking the Daedric Artifacts, so I'll let Michael take it away.


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[Assistant] And just to throw in there, this is being ranked on sort of coolness and subjective appreciation. It's not just a power list.


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[Assistant] It's kind of, it's kind of just like knockoff Ogma Infinium or Black Box, but insane and crazy, like.


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[Assistant] But they're supposed to like, there's like a logical reason as to why it drives you insane. The other one's just a book of random scribbles by mad men.


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[Assistant] Well it's like maybe top 10 material, but that's even just getting into the highest, like, there's still a lot of top 10 contenders at that anyway.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which in oblivion it reflects, it's like a 12% spell and a 10% damage or reverse one of those. And then in Skyrim you just eat people.


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[Assistant] There is that too. It's a cool looking weapon. There's gonna be plenty of cool looking things. Like, once again, like,


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[Assistant] Daedric, uh, same as the Daedric Princes kind of ranking, like they're all really cool by default, like they're some of the coolest gods. So by default, a lot of their artifacts are going to be some of the coolest artifacts, like in general, like compared to other sort of more standard ones, but you know.


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[Assistant] It's useful too, but I do like that the idea of it being an infinite soul gem in the sort of like lots of mages desire and so on has interesting applications, but still it's not like, it's just not cool enough to really get up there.


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[Assistant] I've got them in my top 10 as well. And you've just made a video on them.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, master of conjuration or something, or you have some sort of data connections, but it's not, um.


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[Assistant] Of the black books with apocrypha because you kind of go through this big gauntlet in apocrypha as reading the books, but, um, the black books have some like really cool lines in there because there's like these, the first sentences you can actually physically read when you open the book, but it's like, presumably like the book goes on, but some of them just have really interesting, like little like nods and stuff.


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[Assistant] It's like an anime weapon looking thing, but I tell you what, I had it as number 10 of my top 10 just for the meme, but I just really like, I just like it, I think it was cool, and when I see like, Dagon-y looking characters and stuff, like holding it and stuff, it, or like, I just like it as like it's this sort of desired Daedric weapon, but I could be convinced otherwise. Correct me if I'm wrong, but,


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[Assistant] Like, I could easily be convinced to have it out of the top 10 list we're making. Like, I'm not gonna fight.


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[Assistant] It's a purely aesthetic decision for me.


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[Assistant] I had it low-ish on the top 10 list, but once again, easily convinced otherwise, but I just like it being like this sort of cool undead sort of sword, but I like the Meridia purity kind of stuff anyway, so I like it being like sort of an embodiment


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[Assistant] So, so far what have we actually like knocked out that's in no one's top 10? Nothing.


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[Assistant] I, A, it's a black katana and it's so basic, but it's cool, right? And I like the whole, uh, vampire kind of element to it. And I, the absorbing health.


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[Assistant] But there's two other little lines that I like about it, well not lines, one of them's a line, uhm, about how it can't even be destroyed or melted down in the Skyforge, like at this, it's just sort of like this, like super powerful.


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[Assistant] Unbreakable weapon, but uhm, I also just like the whole mafial element of things that actually hungers and grows in power as it's fed by betrayal, like betraying friends. It's just interesting. So, so.


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[Assistant] It's that thing, like a lot of, um, appeal of Daedric artifacts to me, often they're like sort of like corrupting or trick influence kind of thing. So it's sort of like, you made a deal with the devil, but like, you know, you want to get more and more power. So you keep betraying your friends and then it's like, yeah, you're like, yeah, it's got a powerful sword, but look what it's made you do. Like, I like that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] I'm in the same boat, I agree. It's a cool little effect, it looks cool, but it's just not that... nuts.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's the, the, the, originally in the Skyrim lore, it was supposed to be that there were like rumors that, um,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess so, yeah. Overall, I think it's a, uh, it's not as good of a katana as the ebony blade. Ebony blade has a better story and thing.


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[Assistant] Okay, I have it in my top 10. I had it at number 6, but it kinda looks a bit stupid in retrospect, but it's got such a cool story and like the whole Grey Fox idea behind it and everything. So it's still up there and it looks cool, but I know that like,


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[Assistant] I feel like you can make it look cool. Like in the Skyrim, like bust of it, it looks a lot better. But in Oblivion, when you go back, man, the Grey Fox just looks so bad.


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[Assistant] I sort of agree that it is just a big scary mace that looks really cool in Skyrim and so on, but like, I don't think there's anything particularly like, stand out about it besides that.


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[Assistant] For the reasons, um, it just looks aesthetic and super cool and it has some nice effects and so on. But my main thing about it is the story. Like it's the epitome of like clavicus vile kind of screwing someone over. And it's just such a like heart wrenching story that so we can go into that more explaining like why we really.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I can just, um, I think I've just, I kind of remember if this is my notes on it or if I've copied the actual post from it, but the actual story. But, um, ever the vain one, Clavix Vile made a mask suited to his own personality. The bearer of the mask is more likely to get a positive response from people at Tamriel. Uh, okay, the best known story of the mask tells the tale of, um, Avelia.


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[Assistant] A noblewoman of some renown, as a young girl she was grossly disfigured by a spiteful servant. Avelia made a dark deal with Clavicus Vile and received the mask in return. Though the mask did not change her looks, suddenly she had the respect and admiration of everyone.


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[Assistant] A year and a day later, after her marriage to a well-connected Baron, Clavicus Vile reclaimed the mask. Although pregnant with his child, Avelia was banished from the Baron's household. 21 years and one day later, Avelia's daughter claimed her vengeance by slaying the Baron.


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[Assistant] But I just like how it's this big sort of, this big heavy story and so on, but it really, it's that deal with the devil thing that I love so much about the Daedra. And then on top of it, it just looks really cool and in pretty much all of its incarnations, it like, it's just a very cool concept and you know, like,


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[Assistant] There's some cool lines about it, uhm, but it is just like, you know, well I hope it's a line, cause you mentioned this yesterday, uncle, that the cutting, was it, was it cutting into, it could cut into, you explain.


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[Assistant] I mean, I could be convinced of it, uhm, but.


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[Assistant] Well, let's, so that's a contender. So we've only knocked out like what? Ebony Mail, Goldbrand and Mace of Moloch Bell. It's alright.


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[Assistant] Well, Mysterium Zoxys, right? Is the next one.


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[Assistant] It's a really, really good, um, I didn't even have in my top 10, but the reason because is because when I was looking, um, at it, I like a lot. And I guess, I guess this counts. So I don't know what to do with it, but like,


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[Assistant] The mythic dawn commentaries and everything and the mythic dawn itself and everything that sort of spawns from the book is what I find interesting less so like


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[Assistant] The outside of that line, like that line is really cool, but then the book is just like this powerful book of crazy, um,


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[Assistant] I mean, I could definitely agree to put it on a top 10.


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[Assistant] But, uh, like, like I said, I don't have many in the top 10 that I'm actually like, super like, set on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, unless there's anything more to say, I feel like that was pretty coverage. So did you guys have it in your top 10 though?


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[Assistant] I didn't even rank it, but I, I mean it could be, it could, I could be convinced of it. Like there's cool stuff about it, sounds cool, but like.


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[Assistant] I had it in there, I had it actually as, I had it as top 3 though, that could even move around a little bit, but like, I just think, like,


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[Assistant] The classic, I really liked what Skyrim did to it, because before it was just like a lockpick, basically like a key that can open any lock, but I really liked how they expanded.


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[Assistant] The Moreland one really does remind me of something like where you like stab it in like a tech kind of looking thing. Like if you were, if you were to say that that is just like a little like, you know, it's in cyberpunk 2077 and that's the lockpick thing like, or like.


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[Assistant] What'd they call him though? It's the Old Republic. Again, it's not computer spikes, aren't they? Just called spikes, computer spy. I actually don't remember, so I don't want to confirm. Anyway, but it's that kind of vibe looking thing.


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[Assistant] It's pretty mad looking stuff, but again, I feel like it's actual game. Oblivion's was better, but like it's actual game application. Like I get like still dreams and stuff to power it. It's kind of a cool function, but it's actually really weak as well in the actual game, which doesn't necessarily have to affect it.


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[Assistant] I had it number five. I knew you'd have it higher. I mean, I really, in general, I'm a sucker for spears. I really like spears. I think they're just underused in general. And I like, I don't know, I kind of like how it almost has like staff-like properties and that it can summon this storm atronach kind of thing. But I was looking at it and, um,


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[Assistant] I wasn't like super sure, but then I started reading more about it. I was reminded the whole, the whole Thane Ice Hammer story of how it, how it came to be. I really, really liked it. I'll try and find, I'll go get the, uh,


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[Assistant] Or maybe I'll just, I could just read the wiki.


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[Assistant] Well, it was just easy enough to do that, but there's a Nord Hunter named Thane Icehammer who, in the mid-late 5th century of the first era, unknowingly killed several were-creatures during a hunting trip to Yogrim River Basin. I'm pretty sure this is all in Solstheim.


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[Assistant] Thane returned wounded to his home Cragwallow, but slowly


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[Assistant] Yeah. I mean, like I said, like pretty much anything outside of my top three or five, like I really liked it, but I can understand how it might not fit. Just to clarify that wasn't Solstheim was East March, but still.


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[Assistant] I, I had it in a number nine or something for it. And the reason I did rank it more, cause I like obviously aesthetically and all of its like actual functions.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but I liked the purpose for why it is this magical, like, sucking up shield or defending shield kind of thing is because, uhm, the king of Clan Rorkan, when they were, when Clan Rorkan was crossing over into Hammerfell, uhm, they came across Shalador, the ancient, uhm,


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[Assistant] There's cool stuff about it, but it's his stuff that he can use to sort of control the realm and do his thing. It's just Sheogorath stuff and you become Sheogorath in Shivering Isles. So you sort of remake the stuff like, or kind of like a new one and you have the eye in it and it's cool. It's like, it's fitting, but it's yeah, nothing.


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[Assistant] Is it Drew's as well? It's number three. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] By default, Umbra gets a little bit of a leg up because it's almost a character in itself because, uhm, so there's this witch called, uh, Nainra Weir or something like that, uhm, and she was, uhm,


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[Assistant] Asked by Clavicus Vile to make this sword so that this sword can be used to kill people and send souls to Clavicus Vile's realm.


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[Assistant] But, she asked, she needed a little bit of extra juice for it to stabilize this sword, so Clavicus Vile gave a bit of piece of his own power to give to the sword, which sort of like,


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[Assistant] Gave it its own kind of identity and separate it in the same way that kind of like to think about it would be how like Clavicus Vile and Barbas are kind of like separate entities of the same thing, if that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Like, uhm, but anyway, so, and, and then that sword, uhm, you know, goes on and starts kind of like embodying people. I also like that, uh, Nenra Waya could be, has been speculated to be Sheogorath in disguise to like,


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[Assistant] Screw him over. But uhm, yeaah, that whole corrupting influence of the sword. Then there's also the whole Umbriel thing, uh, later on when he actually ends up


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[Assistant] Separating from the sword like, cause there's a being within the sword, like Umbra is within the sword, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Black crystal obsidian looking sword, like it just looks sick.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, but yeah, I, for me, I think Clavicus Files got some of the best artifacts. Earlier, Drew, when you said Clavicus Files, that's why I thought you'd had, I thought you'd have Umbro's one as well, but. Yeah, they're all just a changeable.


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[Assistant] It'd be better to joke if I hadn't already said Umbra, but, but uhm, yeaah, it's terrible.


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[Assistant] Crazy and wacky if you mean, like it's not actually like a inventive, interesting example of how it's crazy and weird. It's just sort of like, hoo hoo, whatever goes. It's basically a meme machine. And you know, I like memes like everyone else, but I'm not gonna rank it as top 10.


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[Assistant] I even, one of my favorite ones actually is just turning them into a pile of coins. I think that's a...


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[Assistant] I had the Daedric Crescent as 10, but I could be, I could be convinced out of it easily, or I could be convinced for it easily, like obviously.


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[Assistant] I just think, I really, really, it's, it's another that, you know, that corrupting influence kind of thing. I like that, you know, that hunger for knowledge that they're going after. But then I love the idea of uhm, the existential dread and esoteric kind of,


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[Assistant] Creepy knowledge that utterly consumes someone like I really like and there's also quotes in the black box that I like, but one of my favorite ones is the waking dreams, which was a point that I really mentioned.


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[Assistant] Uh, so for Middle Dawn in the first era, which was this big, you know, thousand year long sort of dragon break that was crazy different, uhm, the only, uh,


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[Assistant] The only consensus on any event that actually happened was 8 Falling Stars during that time of this Dragon Break and I love like, and I was connecting that, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the utmost revelation being he's learning the big great mystery, the faint insight drawn by overwhelming question.


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[Assistant] But uhm, yeaah, and I like that. I like the reference to, to mantlings of kind of like how it's almost like, futile. That's not even the important thing, like, cause the godhead doesn't care kind of thing. Like, you know what I mean? It kind of throws that like, kind of trivializes sort of the things of Talos and Tiber Septim and all the mantlings.


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[Assistant] But to further on, there are other ones that are a little bit uhm, some of them are like just a little bit.


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[Assistant] You know, poetic and nice, like I like the city of ink seeds, rose from the desert, shining and decadent. Like there's just little lines and bits and pieces in there, but ultimately it's the whole Lovecraftian sort of idea of this existential dread that this can give you that


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[Assistant] Even when you think you kind of understand the metaphysics and stuff and you're like, yeah, it's kind of like trivializing the whole concepts of mantling and, and stuff. It's like, who cares? And the whole Godhead realization.


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[Assistant] Like the idea that you could just go down this path and just become nuts. And also when, this is a little bit of a, of a derivative story, but with Mori and Xenis who, who, uhm, goes nuts. He's his master conjuration mage and he goes nuts in the realm of Apocrypha.


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[Assistant] Slowly, and then that his apprentice is communicating with him, that he can't, that he can't even understand Morienzenis' language anymore. His language is something else. Now he's, he whispers in some un-


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[Assistant] Just some random ass language that they don't know about. So I just like that whole theme of forbidden knowledge, really, I guess. And I think the black books personify, and they look cool, these big black books that with a mist that comes off them.


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[Assistant] So most of them- What's your nine? My nine is Spellbreaker.


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[Assistant] Saviour's Hide sounds like it has a cool story. It does.


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[Assistant] But Spellbreaker should be on the list I think still, cause it has a cool story plus the shield itself is really unique and cool. Maybe...


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[Assistant] I mean, I could even get, I could toss that aside, man. I mean, I- How about we get rid of the black books, guys? No.


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[Assistant] I've got Umbreadt number 1. I've got Masked Clavicus Vile 2. And you had that Drew? I had it.


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[Assistant] I'm not even necessarily convinced on it at the top five, but I had, I had it, I had it at six. Like it could, it could be, I could easily, like, I know obviously, like if you were trying to eliminate ones, like I know you guys don't like the spirit of bitter mercy as much, like that could go. Well, how about we put the Mysterium Xarxes at number three then?


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[Assistant] The only reason the Mysterium's asked is the same thing, it's just, it's the book itself.


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[Assistant] Look, I mean, look, I can say this, if it's not in the top 5, it's definitely 6. Okay, fine.


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[Assistant] Because it is cool, like if you do factor in all the mythic dawn commentaries, like mythic dawn commentaries are like right up there in like favorite books, but it's-


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[Assistant] I mean, I would put it in there, but like, so I think we've got the first six pretty, pretty, pretty well sorted. So, um, what are we kind of, what are the compete, competitors for the last like four? Like how competed?


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[Assistant] Hmm. I don't know, I just feel like Spirit of Mercy gets used a lot more and stuff, like in the Battlespire story, but also how it like belonged to one of the Hearns, like one of the Daedric Hunters, like Hearn the Hunter, like kind of thing that literally just...


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[Assistant] I mean, if you were to ask me which one do I want, like, I'd probably take this beard, bro. This beard? I can agree with you, there's a lot of history.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but also like even just the power, like I like it, like it's got a magical shield.


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[Assistant] I just kind of like it's sort of almost the spear kind of.


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[Assistant] I dunno, I imagine the spear is like kinda like taming the stormtrooper kinda thing, like it's sorta like a hunter with his side. I dunno.


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[Assistant] I think I'd put spellbreaker, funnily enough now I'm thinking about it, like I did have


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[Assistant] I'd probably rule out hide out of those two, as it's got a cool story, but if I actually think about it, it is just like sort of like a- I'm gonna put Meirin's Raid.


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[Assistant] Happy with that, at least? I'm content. Uh, I'm content. Alright. All I really cared about was Umber and Mask Clavik as well, the top two. Yeah, I think they deserve it. Yeah, that's cool.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to Fudge Marpet. I am Scott here with Michael and Drew as always. And today, this Elder Scrolls podcast, we are talking about Calpers. Many people ask about them. There's a very obscure sort of term up there with like Kim and Amaranth and all kinds of stuff.


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[Assistant] And I will forewarn you, this whole conversation is going to be like 90% conjecture. There are very few mentions of


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[Assistant] Uh, mythologies, I guess, um, although religion or tradition, I guess, cause it's still ongoing, um, in Hindu and Buddhist traditions, a kalpa is basically this immense period of time that's specifically


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[Assistant] We're not going to go into Sanskrit stuff and all this kind of stuff, right? We're not going into real world mythology. But the essence there is to sort of take away is a caliper is just a really, really long time as part of a cycle. So that's what its real world word is.


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[Assistant] Now, uh, now we've got its mention in the Elder Scrolls. Do any of you guys wanna?


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[Assistant] Well, we can briefly just touch on, just to get everyone on a level playing field, we'll start just touching on the ideas or concepts that are in-law, strictly canon.


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[Assistant] And that's the whole idea behind, like, obviously you're going to sort of fight Alduin, who was the World Eater, who was supposed to bring the end to the...


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[Assistant] And that's, that's sort of implying, I guess, like, if, if you were to go off that, that, uh, the dragon war only sort of happens, like,


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[Assistant] Maybe 500ish years kind of time or sometime in between that and the start of the first era. So that kind of roughly makes it like 2000 years. So that's not a very long, I mean, or it could be.


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[Assistant] I don't know, like maybe that is a long calper compared to previous ones. We have zero idea. But uhm, but yeaah, so the idea there is that it was sort of...


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[Assistant] Prolonged, further than it should have been. So, that's the Nordic view of things. There is also, like you were sort of mentioning with the Yakut and stuff, there is the idea of Satakal, which is both Anu and Padme, essentially combined into one being a giant snake eating itself. Uhm, and another sort of like, just little,


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[Assistant] So the tidbit to, to take in my, bear in mind there is that when Anu, when Satakal is eating itself, there are these spirits, you know, that, that appear and the, there are certain spirits that


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[Assistant] So they discovered a way, well, Ruptga, specifically in their mythology, or also called Tolpapa, discovered the walkabout, which is essentially their way of moving between the calpic cycles without


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[Assistant] And to throw another thing in there, the, the sort of idea of, uh,


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[Assistant] Taking, building things from like past worlds or stuff is also in some of the other mythologies, the idea that like Set was created from past worlds or so on, but uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, that's a cool theory. You know, I like that as sort of like a very like low powered version of what those gods are doing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, definitely interesting. Uhm, just to quickly just throw out the other thing there is there's the Atacota, the whole big great root thing with the serpent eating or whatever it is in the Argonian mythology. Whatever those lizard men believe, you know, just whatever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, absolutely. The, um, the final, like, explicit mention of this kalpa is, um, in the Songs of Pelinal and it's about Umaril the Unfeathered and his divine father, um, who was supposed to be from another world river, basically. And once again, that's carrying on this idea of,


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[Assistant] Things that come from the previous world can kind of leak into the new world. You know what I mean? And you imagine that through some sort of Dawn Era. I find this the easiest way to think about Kalpa.


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[Assistant] We've talked about, the easiest way to envision it is an Ouroboros. And like you said, when the mouth meets the tail or whatever, you've got the, uhm, you've got the dawn error.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there are ideas, and I've mentioned them before on the podcast, about how the, the world is changing from mythic to mundane. It's becoming, as you get further away from creation, your everything's sort of setting in and feeling less mundane. There's this idea of like a parabolic calper or, it's very utter words, it's not-


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[Assistant] Yeah. So like the, I guess, so when you creation first start, everything's super divine, super mythic. There's gods everywhere. All of this crazy stuff's happening throughout the Merethic era, like, um, all of the origin stories of a bunch of the races, you know, Boethiah eating, um,


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[Assistant] So when you imagine it as that circle, so it's like you're kinda coming across and at the top there's the dawn era, comes across going through dawn, merethic era, it's like, oh, it's all still pretty mythic.


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[Assistant] Now you're kind of getting to the first era, it's coming down, getting less mythic, less mythic, second era, and now you're sort of doing this third, fourth era kind of thing. Like if you imagine it as a perfect sphere, you imagine it like going around in perfect time, but the idea is that it kind of slings like you were saying with the elastic band.


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[Assistant] Sling shots back, because all of a sudden, the world needs to end. They want to end it. So there's all of those, like the Mairons, the Oblivion Crisis, and the Alduin, the World Eater, and also the like,


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[Assistant] You know, uhm, dagoth, urr, and all of these things, it's kind of like...


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[Assistant] There's a lot more mythical things happening now and you're getting closer to those days of divine and stuff. But, you know, you don't know whereabouts we are.


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[Assistant] And then it's waiting to come around. Well kind of, because that's the thing, it's all relative. Um, sorry, I was saying like mythic is relative, like, you know, what's mythical to someone in the fourth era is not mythical to someone in the first era because, you know, they're watching nords shout down whole walls and stuff.


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[Assistant] But also we know that, like you were saying, it can be expe- extended, you know, by delaying the world eater or whatever apocalypse you're looking at. And then also you do throw in there's the dragon breaks, which is like that timeline, it sort of breaks for a bit and then stitches itself back up and then keeps going and there's been a few of them.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so look, all of these models, highly theoretical and highly, uhm, conceptual.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uhm, but I think some of the most interesting implications of Calpas in general is what it means for the future, like what's happening, like going towards that Dawn Era and stuff, but also taking from


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[Assistant] The, the, this is actually in the annuad, the annotated annuad.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, on the world of Nirn, all was chaos. The only survivors of the twelve worlds of creation were the Elnife and the Hist. And as we know, you know, the Elnife ancestors of Murren men and Histories of Argonia and so on. But...


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[Assistant] Instead of, so there's this idea that there are these, these 12 worlds that were created, but another way to sort of think of it, and then the remains of all of them were made into one.


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[Assistant] But another way to think about that, instead of sort of some sort of like geographical idea, there's Nern plus 12 other, sorry, 11 other worlds or whatever, oh sorry, 12 worlds that made one Nern,


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[Assistant] You could think about that in less of a geographical, planetary sort of sense and more about a calpic cycle. It's like the 12 worlds of creation. They're the previous calpers, if you get what I mean. So, and also like calper, like spherical kind of thing. So, um,


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[Assistant] Maybe that's a, maybe that's some way to think about it. So then on top of that, we can sort of talk about the idea that perhaps Elnife and Hist being in the Dawn era and the survivors


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[Assistant] Explicitly called the only survivors, uhm, of the 12 worlds of creation. It could be that they were from previous kalpas in general, but because the Hist don't have the same like, uh,


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[Assistant] Derivatives of degeneration, I guess, as the Elnife did, like they split into the Old and Wandering, and then the races of Men and Mer.


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[Assistant] Whereas the Hist have sort of stayed, like they've just carved out their little bit of blackmarsh. And maybe that's where people get the ideas of like, that's why they're from a previous kalpa or something like that. If you, you know. That's all interpretation though, as well.


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[Assistant] This is also all kind of tying into, like even what Drew was just saying, that uhm, that, oh, he should be awaiting something in this sort of next, in this place, and the sands behind the stars are sort of their, uhm, afterlife, right?


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[Assistant] And the same as the Yakudans have their Far Shore or the Nords have Sovngarde, so there are ideas around that


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[Assistant] These are essentially like Sovngarde for example. This is mainly in regards to Sovngarde, that Sovngarde is like a place for sure to gather all of these great warriors and stuff in his halls, so when the next Dawn Era comes, he's got the best warriors to fight in this next battle.


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[Assistant] But it does, it does sort of, uh, create a little bit more of a reason for the gods to want to have souls given to them and ferried to them. If you think about like the Hist want their, you know, the Argonian souls to return and, you know, Sovngarde wants to be filled with warriors and Farshors, yada yada.


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[Assistant] So having mortals to want to go back to their afterlife is a very, you know, good idea because then you're encouraging, um, you know, recruitments for your armies. I know that's, that's such a, like an extrapolation of it all, but there is this idea that they're waiting for the next thing.


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[Assistant] Well, I think it's kind of fair to say that Anu and Padme would be outside just in the way that they are, these cosmic forces. The way I, at least, so you have the Orbress, which is, you know, Anu, Padme, and then you have the Aetherius Oblivion stuff kind of created, and, but then,


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[Assistant] Obviously the idea for Mundus starts and then they build a Mundus, but the idea is I envision the Mundus as the Ouroboros that goes over and starts again because that's how


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[Assistant] That's kind of like Lorcan's trick, right? Yeah, and that's how they're trapped in this sort of thing. And then you get into this weird stuff with, uh, like the insane dragon, like Acre, and the, the Shaza song, but the idea that it's crazy cause it does this thing over and over and over again, but it's like kind of, maybe that was set by Lorcan, cause it's kind of even not really,


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[Assistant] Explicit. Well, nothing really is explicit about these, but how the...


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[Assistant] And the cultures that exist here, like, there's no necessary reason for, say, uhm,


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[Assistant] Like Elnife or Men, you know, Men and Mer to be in previous Calpas. For example, there are ideas that you can interpret the Mythic Dawn Commentaries and their tales about Lig and stuff and these Dread Kings that own it. They are from


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? Like maybe they were just dragging other people around, but no men and men necessarily.


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[Assistant] Like yeaah, so that they have all of their different cycles. Cause interestingly, like, this is just the tiniest little nod, but like, you know, the grey march is another example of a cycle and there are other cycles, but they've, they're kind of independently working their own way. Cause they,


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[Assistant] If it's useful to just envision Akatosh as time for this purpose, you know, it's kind of, it seems to exist.


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[Assistant] Just to throw another quick thing there about, uhm, I mentioned it, you know, that we have the, in the Mythic Dawn commentaries you have, uhm, the, the Dreg Tyrant Kings, uhm, of Ligg, and that is, and it's,


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[Assistant] Like, Ligg is referred to as the domain of Lorkhan, whereas, you know, you would sort of, the Mythic Dawn ideas is sort of that Lorkhan is the, you know, is a Daedric Prince of his own realm of Mundus, but that is his domain, it's his creation kind of thing. So you,


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[Assistant] Lig has been referred to by Michael Kirkbride on a Reddit AMA as an adjacent place. And if you think of adjacent place, if you think of, uhm,


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[Assistant] The calp, like calpers, like you can think of it rather than being.


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[Assistant] Such a geographical place, although that's a valid interpretation, it could be that it's, it's the same place in a different cycle in a different time, you know what I mean? And that's how it's adjacent. Like if you lined up all of the spheres, all of the wheels against one another, it's in the same


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[Assistant] If you aren't, if you aren't, uh, watching this on YouTube and you're listening by audio, it's probably going to be a little bit extra confusing because you aren't seeing us wave hand signs everywhere and trying to like, you know, to sort it out. But yeah, so there's another example of how.


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[Assistant] Maybe. It could be. Um, but yeah, so that, that, like, if you imagined, envisioned Merlach Baal, uh, sorry, Merenz Dagon being created in a previous cow, but like, here's some crazy stuff. There was even the idea that. Here's some crazy stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I just want to find exactly what he says, but he, basically where he brought it down, uh, brought down Ligg by destroying the towers or something. I can't find, I'm just trying to find.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so hold on, here we go. It destroyed the towers of Kimel Gajig.


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[Assistant] Yes, in this big, uhm, rebellion. But maybe, like you could, you could maybe envision this as like him tearing down the towers, tearing down the...


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[Assistant] No, no, I think this was, it was some, I think it was a Kirkbride thing, but if you, if you break open, if you still pull its tail from its mouth and it's open, well then the cycles can't go on anymore and it's broken and you're all back to sort of the original Orbis.


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[Assistant] But I think, to be honest, I feel like there is a fairly good grounds for believing in sort of the idea of calpic cycles and stuff. And I even think the Dawn era being the start is pretty...


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[Assistant] And if, if you think about, uh, Shor or Lorcan's intentions, um, creating a big army for the next cycle, cause I imagine he kind of wants to.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when, when Vivek achieves Kim and sees the wheel, uhm, he sees it on, uhm, it's side and it says I, but he, he can realise that it's a wheel, it's a cycle, you know, and that's like what the wheel does. So it's just another sort of nod to it.


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[Assistant] You can kind of touch on these ideas of this stuff called becoming the new Amaranth. You achieve Kim and then you try and become the new Amaranth which is...


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[Assistant] Super kinda out of canon stuff, really. But it's like trying to like become essentially the new godhead. Godhead, right? Yea, the new godhead and trying to like get out of this entire dream. But that's even, yea, bigger than Calphex Cycles, but.


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[Assistant] It's a funny, uhm, here's a little funny take on the seeing the wheel on its side. And I mention this in the Greatest Fictional Universe video, but uhm, some people interpret that as like Vivek realizing he's an NPC and the wheel is the CD-ROM and he sees it on its side in the disc drive.


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[Assistant] Like that's a really meta take, but it's kind of like funny and almost like it's kind of legit. You know, it's like, well, well, not anymore. No, no, but like a legitimate interpretation. That's like, it's a very meta one. Like, because a lot of the things.


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[Assistant] That theory will hold up when CDs don't really exist. Well that's the thing, no one plays Morrowind on a CD drive anymore, so it's like only a... But yes, obviously, it is funny, it's got that interpretation, because I was trying to make the point in the video that you can


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[Assistant] You can have like a real meta connected real world interpretation or it can be interpreted solely within the realm of Elder Scrolls mythology as well. So it doesn't have to be.


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[Assistant] So, here we go, off the top of your head, can you guys think of anything


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[Assistant] So Umareel the unfathered, you could go Draggs, could go, you could even throw in Hest and say,


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[Assistant] And, and if you go with the idea that the Twelve Worlds of Creation are previous Calpas, it's kind of the Elnife in general, but, you know, not, not sure exactly. And, um, you know, even, well, if you go with the idea that the Dregs and everything in the Mythic Dawn Commentaries is strictly in another,


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[Assistant] Oh, the leftover ideas of creation. Yes. So that's an interesting one as well. Like if you could interpret that as like,


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[Assistant] Well, this is actually a bit different if you can, sort of, when they were like, they were calpic cycles. I, I just, overall it, it makes a little more sense when it's kind of like...


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[Assistant] Uhm, the leftover, if you envision a new creation each time, when the Dawn Era occurs, and there's new stuff, but obviously what they're working with, kind of, is the old stuff of the previous Calpa, so he's like the leftover ideas of that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, oh dude, yeah, there are, there are heaps of say, that's another example. That's a really like a meta.


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[Assistant] People actually do, do say that. Like there are, like people, there's all, people can expand the caliper to all kinds of stuff. So for example, um, people use it to headcanon everything they want. So if you were to go, if you were to envision, you know how each Elder Scrolls entry has a different, um,


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[Assistant] Like feel or look and stuff like that and sort of direction. So if you can imagine like there's the Morrowind Calpa, Elder Scrolls 3 Morrowind and then in that.


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[Assistant] So because similar events happen or something, but then like sort of Tamriel rebuilt mod projects and stuff, you could, you could envision that as all of that's what Tamriel looks like in this kalpa and then the other kalpa you get your oblivion one or, or it's people use it to try and like, um,


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[Assistant] You know, decanonize Elder Scrolls Online. They're like, oh, it's in another caliper. Like, just pack it away and throw it over here.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they really are. It's like part of the lore. The bugs are actually like errors of where the calpic cycle is sort of like, you know, it's like picking up parts of the previous stuff and bugging out or something, you know? It's crazy, man. Hmm.


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[Assistant] But like, so ultimately, as, as we know, CalPERS are basically just these cycles. And if you want to imagine it, it's Dawn era and then it goes around and then Dawn era is also both the ending of the previous CalPA and the beginning of the new one. And then there's different explanations as to you getting.


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[Assistant] The mythic and the divine, and then you rejoin with it in the apocalypse. And then also the creation of the next world. But yea, you guys can go through the video again.


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[Assistant] Listen through, but, but yeaah. So, Calpas, one of the crazy things. It's not that hard to understand the concept. It's the implications that are crazier. If you just go, oh, Calpas, it's a cycle of the universe. It's pretty straightforward and easy. Think of it like an Ouroboros. Easy. Just think of reincarnation.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and Satakal is probably the easiest mythology to view it through. Uhm, so if you want to look more into it, Yakutian mythology and create theories, Yakutian mythology is a good place for it. There's a bunch of Nordic stuff. Uhm, they're the two main ones I'd look at if you're trying to build more theories and stuff, but maybe someone could


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[Assistant] Well, maybe that is like sort of a walkabout reference or something for them, like some kind of smaller way.


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[Assistant] What is up, ladies and gentlemen? Welcome back to Fudge Muppet. This is the Elder Scrolls Podcast. I'm Scott, here with Michael and Drew, as always. And today, we are discussing magic. So magic in the broad sense. We're gonna talk about how it works, all the basic sort of fundamentals.


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[Assistant] And yeah, we'll go through it all. So who wants to start us off with what ma-


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[Assistant] Yeah, and that's how magicka flows in, and that's where you get the source for all of your traditional magick, because there are other sort of magical, powery things that aren't like, magicka-centric, like the thorn, or the she-hai, or the ki-ai if you're in Akaviri, or uh, tonal architecture and stuff, that's more like, uh,


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[Assistant] Universal principle bending kind of magic. It's a little bit different. So we're going to mainly focus on magicka derived magic. So.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's all there for gameplay purposes so you can like, up your skill in destruction as opposed to restoration or conjuration, but like, uh, the way they're sort of described in the lore is that the, that the schools were sort of,


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[Assistant] Made by the Majors Guild institution when they sort of focusing on teaching it. So the importance of destruction and illusion versus alteration are all there for


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[Assistant] And it's interesting though, cause even like soul trapping, like that's an example of one spell that has moved from mysticism to, to uh- That's what I mean.


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[Assistant] It's like, it's like with all gameplay elements, it's always good to just really view that as, okay, this is necessary for the gameplay structure and stuff like that, rather than taking it as a super literal form of that's how the lore is. In the same way that there aren't people who are carrying like 50 health potions on them and popping them in four seconds mid battle.


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[Assistant] You know, so yeaah, that's important to remember, but I guess uhm, some of the earliest records of magic in history and is, you know, some of the early elven stuff. We have the aliens and their supposed creation of alteration. Now alteration isn't a, as we just got done saying, it's all arbitrary, so it's kind of like,


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[Assistant] You know, it's, it's not necessarily even the school as we know it.


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[Assistant] I guess the idea of what the, the law is trying to convey there is some of the fundamental principles. So maybe some are like sort of the shielding, the levitation type things, or maybe some stuff like that. Um, is some stuff that they sort of pioneered by comparison.


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[Assistant] And I guess some become more relevant as later, like you can imagine schools like Conjuration became more relevant as time went on because originally you have the Daedric Princes sort of just walking freely on Nirn and stuff like that and you don't have this sort of firm barrier between


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[Assistant] Uhm, Mundus and Oblivion, uhm, as is then created by, you know, the deal with Akatosh, the pact with Akatosh and the, and the dragonborn emperors. So maybe, so later on, you sort of need more, uh, powerful conjuration mages to make, to summon them here through that barrier, basically, like, you know, or things like that.


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[Assistant] There's lots of evidence to sort of support the idea that people back then, while like on a maybe like a physical technology level, they might not be as advanced, in some cases they were though, but they were in fact more magically advanced. When you have some of the great feats of the Dwemer, the Alids and the early people, things that they can't repeat.


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[Assistant] So maybe there was, because they were closer to the time of gods and stuff, they actually did have a more innate understanding of magic, but it actually becomes more obscured as time has gone on and things are becoming more mundane.


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[Assistant] Talking about that actual idea, it's kind of interesting the sort of intuition


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[Assistant] Intuition magic versus sort of the science academic kind of understanding of it. And like you were saying, Michael, just that could like limit someone's


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[Assistant] Like, there's reason to assume that some of the earlier people and so on being closer to the time of the gods and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Understood magic more intuitively. Like just kind of things like here at Nords and the Clever Men and it's just like, it's just a very general sounding thing or they don't have like, oh I am like the Archmage of a this, this, this and that of this school with proficiency in XYZ. It's kind of a less academic look at thing and if you actually


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[Assistant] This isn't, it's not so much the Magica Magic, but like, you know, things like the Thorn and Shiha and all that, they're very intuitive not.


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[Assistant] There's a Sotha Sil quote, I think, in regards to mysticism, I think, or understanding the world. It's something along the lines of, he's saying, uhm, first you need to like, you know, see one layer beyond and then there's another layer behind there or something like that.


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[Assistant] I reckon they should honestly bring Mysticism back. Unlikely that they will, but I think that they...


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[Assistant] But then, you know, the similar equivalent would be like the cloaks, but they're in the destruction score, but you can see how they could kind of be in either, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but even the idea that there's an element involved kind of falls a bit more into the destruction school, you know, as opposed to a normal shield. But yeah, but that's the thing, like we said, it's all arbitrary.


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[Assistant] There is a book called Proposal Schools of Magic, and this is sort of written in the second era, like Elder Scrolls Online kind of time. And it's a proposal to change the Major's Guild study program, but it's an interesting distinction between Alteration, which is the distortion of local reality through direct imposition of the Major's will.


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[Assistant] To include spells like paralysis, water breathing, water walkings, yada yada. Oh, and flame cloaks.


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[Assistant] Changing magic itself as opposed to alteration, changing the, the like physicality of the world, kind of.


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[Assistant] But that is really cool. Like mysticism, I think, and you know, it's probably just cause it's so mystical, but it's one of the coolest schools and because the sigil order is super powerful and they're proficient in it. So you sort of like assume it's.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, I wish they did, uh,


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[Assistant] And so charm and stuff like that. Basically levitation illusion. Yeah, it was weird. Which involves the personal rejection of gravity. I can see that going like.


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[Assistant] So that's the main magic that affects the will and personal state of the mind, but that's differing to sort of illusion, I guess.


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[Assistant] And then we have also, so illusion, altering the perception in oneself or others. So spells like light, invisibility, fear, frenzy, silence. This is also just one stage of the school's evolutions. Like we know that the spells have sort of.


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[Assistant] Then we have some of the other one, uh, so, uh, yeaah, Conjuration, which is the summoning and binding of spirits from Oblivion or Aetherius, actually, it says, even Aetherius, but to include soul trapping as well in this one. It didn't before.


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[Assistant] And I honestly think that's a point for me, I think from a lore perspective, soul trapping and necromancy is much better through a mysticism lens because it's about the manipulation of


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[Assistant] The soul, whereas like conjuration has been very related to conjuring from another plane. Like it's in the name, like taking a data from another plane rather than, but I mean, you can, I guess you can maybe try and rationalize that by explaining, like taking a, taking a soul from a theory and bringing it back to its body or something like that, but you know.


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[Assistant] It gets tricky. A lot of magic. This is airy, very floaty stuff.


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[Assistant] Because you could make the argument that like that sort of like chameleon like active camo looking thing from halo is more of a feeling of alteration like physically making you like that versus what invisibility is trying to convey is that you're making people not able to perceive you. Potentially. Because you're entering their mind.


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[Assistant] Or maybe, maybe in early early ones, but I'm pretty sure it was in oblivion at least.


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[Assistant] But they move it around. Well, while you're getting onto that, like we can also mention things like, you know, destruction, which is elemental thing, using force to destroy things and restoration is obviously the sort of opposite of that, using it to, you know, heal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to like a proper dead kind of thing. Like a living dead sounds weird, but like a, you know, as it should be not undead. It's reversing undead.


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[Assistant] As with destruction, we also, we, you know, about the, the shock frost and flame stuff we hear all the time. But uhm.


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[Assistant] There's other parts to it as well, like I guess you would simply like, as you see, like people doing water magic or dealing with other elements, you can assume they're all sort of any elemental kind of attacks are generally going to be destruction, but some cool parts that they got rid of, like disintegration was a really cool, just, it's just like raw destruction, but


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[Assistant] Understandably, you kind of need armor with a repair rating for that to function in game, so there's no point of having it in Skyrim, unless they had.


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[Assistant] And to be honest, as cool as it was, I'm kinda happy not to have to use repair hammers. It was kind of just a, I'm happy to just keep it as it is.


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, maybe that's, maybe that's a spell that they could, like I'm, I'm sure if, if, I'm sure Elder Scrolls 6 will sort of like, uh, make some of the shouts and stuff into cool, unique spells instead, because they don't.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and just because you haven't seen a spell before, like obviously there's things like, oh, the Telvania said to use magic to grow their towers. Like what spell is that? Or what, do you know what I mean? It's very loosey goosey. Cause all it really is, is you using your will to reform magical energy into some desired effect.


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[Assistant] So it's not like, you know, it's all gameplay systems to go, this costs 32 Magicka and this one costs a hundred. Whereas like even when you think about it in terms of elves that have like Magicka boosts and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] They're, it's like you just sort of imagine in from a lore sense, it's like, oh, they just, you know, are able to harness magicka easier. They just have a more natural inclination towards it versus like they have exactly 100 extra magicka points and stuff.


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[Assistant] See, that's the biggest problem that getting rid of attributes did is because through manipulation of attributes and spells and enchantments and stuff you could make yourself really cool and powerful but not only that, like, you know, if you


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[Assistant] Even if you just had attributes in general and didn't even change sort of like.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you didn't have to like add any more than there was in oblivion. You could still like mix it around or like rebalance things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I can understand, like, if they wanted to clean off anything, key attributes, but they could've even, the drain skill thing, like, like, it's kind of like, I feel like if you use it, it's not even worthwhile, like, the magicka it costs to just drain their, like, you know, sword skill by 20, it'd be a better thing to instead, like,


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[Assistant] I just think the attributes have a more cool, like, functional effect. And like, even like, silent spells, where did they go? You know, stuff like that, being able to just stop mages for a moment. Like, cause then you could make this really cool build, like a specific mage killer that basically specializes in silence type spells and stuff like that, and tools to


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[Assistant] Kill majors and, and uhm, or, what do you call that, uhm, not paralyze, but, uh.


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[Assistant] There's another word for it. Anyway, I'm trying to like put them out of action so they can't have access to the magic and you fight them and there's just a lot of cool applications there that we don't see.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't know if they were, I mean, I don't know. I don't know if they're actually worried about mainstream appeal as much as they were just trying to like simplify things because they had to spend more time on all of the other elements that they wanted to do. But uhm, I wonder if they should, I've just forgotten what I was going to say.


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[Assistant] Yeah. I wonder if they will add back, what do you think, if they will or not add stuff back?


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[Assistant] That's what I was gonna talk about. Here's the idea. This is what I remembered what I was gonna say. I was talking about how


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[Assistant] In Oblivion, you had the whole quick cast system, which was, which-


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[Assistant] Adds a lot of build like variety, so if you're playing a paladin character, charging in with a greatsword and then you can just quick cast a sort of spell or things like that, or if you're playing a battle mage, it adds a lot of, it really does make a lot of builds really cool and making magic easier to use rather than the hand system and the dual cast stuff.


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[Assistant] But on the flip side, it really does emphasize, um, every character should kind of have magic, where you're kind of underusing your potential. Um, whereas in the reverse, you know, I, cause I kind of like, like the visual of the hands and the, and the holding it and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we've speculated before anyway that you could, uhm,


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[Assistant] Use both. They could implement basically a quick slot system of magic, so if you do want to be the battle mage and you can quick cast,


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[Assistant] But that becomes at like a lower magnitude or lower effectiveness of the spell. So maybe you take like, I don't know, just 30% cut to the, or, or more or something to what the spell would be if you had it equipped. So the advantage, so it kind of mitigates the advantage of, um,


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[Assistant] You know, so there's a point to equipping them in your hands.


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[Assistant] Here's another thing, you could even use it like potentially as like a, if you have nothing equipped, with say a sword or something, it can almost be like a,


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[Assistant] Like a quick strike or something, or you could even have it as almost essentially that it's like a magic slash grenade button, not for grenades, but imagine bringing back things like throwing darts and knives and stars and stuff like that, just throwable. So it's quick things. So you can be, if you want to make some ninja kind of character and you're going around like.


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[Assistant] You know, assassinating and you just want to press, you know, RB or something on a controller instead of a spell quick cast spell. You just quickly throw.


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[Assistant] A star or something like, or whatever things you've got.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or you fire them quicker or something, like you can cause you can, or same with you, but you could also do that for like, uh, like Bannerlord style with like, you can have throwable weapons, like throwing axes or like javelins and stuff. And I think that's something that people would really enjoy anyway. Um, just bringing those back in general.


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[Assistant] It'd be interesting to see how they do it with the first person stuff. Like what are some examples of things? Cause I mean.


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[Assistant] But then again, if they did have attributes in there properly, there are things like you can prioritize, like, you know, if speed affected how quick you can like, do you know what I mean? The, the skill element of it versus something that's being like a, if you want to be a big tank that just kind of don't care about it as much or go run it in a tab or, but yeah, it gets


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[Assistant] I think a better, a good way to do it is instead of limiting via skills or perks, if they had proper attributes there and limited in terms of attributes, so you can only be, so if, if to be a maxed out mage is dependent on your intelligence, you can only


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[Assistant] Anyway, let's- Let's get back to magic. Yeah, we'll dive back into the magic. We'll start talking about some of the, uh, outliers, I guess. And I- I'll quickly bring up, there is soul magic, the obscure magic based around souls and vestiges.


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[Assistant] That to me just sounds like mysticism, I may as well group that in with mysticism, like manipulation of magic itself or souls like it's been known in the lore, so.


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[Assistant] It's not really that interesting of a magic, but let's get to obviously like one that everyone really really likes, which is necromancy. While we're on the topic of manipulating souls and stuff like that. Necromancy.


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[Assistant] And in history, it's been outlawed and then legalized and then outlawed again and stuff like that. And like in the time of Skyrim, it's not, uh, you know, the locals don't like it as Phineas says, um, Phineas guest store, but, but,


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[Assistant] You can understandably so, like, mo-, it's possible, I guess, to be an ethical necromancer, like, only the corpses of the deceased perhaps, and it, but it depends on how the, like, naturally deceased, but it depends on how the whole soul works with that particular thing of necromancy. Like, for example, you could make the argument if you're just inhabiting a body with, like, a, uh,


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[Assistant] Like a placeholder soul, like you're kind of puppeteering a corpse. That's not really bad, but if you are like, you know, painfully drawing someone's soul back from, you know, a theory.


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[Assistant] But I guess like, but like, it just depends, it's literally only just because I guess it's a cultural thing around the burial stuff. 100%, but that's what affects what morals are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, sure, sure, but that's what I'm saying, but through a wood elf lens or an argonian lens, you could make the case it's quite moral. In the same way that they're prepared to eat a corpse, they're like, oh, let's just use it. It's actually getting a function still as opposed to, not that this is necessarily the most wood elf thing, but you could have a


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[Assistant] Don't do it. But it's the kind of thing when you get to it, it's like, oh, what if it's a bunch of, um, criminals?


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[Assistant] You know, a whole bunch of bandit criminals and stuff using it. Then, you know what I mean? That have slaughtered a whole village. It's the kind of thing where, and you know, obviously you can get into like moral relatives. That's what I mean. Yeah. Like so on. But what I'm saying is you can kind of see how, like I mentioned Phineas guest or rises, uh, um, a bunch of bandits or something. I wouldn't necessarily go, Oh, you immoral, crazy, disgusting person straight away. You know, I probably would. Yeah. But yeah, I feel like it's different.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well look, I mean, places use them like cheap, it's not, I don't, I just don't, what I was saying, my point was that they're not always, I feel like there are, like most of the time they do, but there's, there are like outliers and stuff where it's, it's possible. I feel, I feel like it's like that with anything though, you can always go, here's one exception to the rule.


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[Assistant] No, but what I'm saying is like, um, it's not like falling to the dark side in Star Wars and you get corrupted by using necromancy and you're like, your eyes turn yellow and you get veins. It really is just like a, you know, it's a type of magic and you can use it and it's, it's just often the ways that it's going, it can lead to a, you know, dark moral.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you know, they couldn't, they use that argument to sort of be like, well, you shouldn't use like, you know, healing potions and stuff. I mean, it's a lot about perception. I mean, people do do that. Yeah.


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[Assistant] And to cl- to clarify, like, the- the without consent part of it, the- the body part, like, if it's just the body, it changes it a bit. I mean, this is a problem with the necromancy lore, it kind of, like, ups and downs a bit.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I guess that's kind of like a physical tethering to it, I guess, to that idea. But like, I think for the most part, the big problem is the defilement of the souls and stuff like that. And to be honest, Necromancy, if it is to deal with a soul, that's a completely different scenario. So like we're trying to say.


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[Assistant] I think the laws just kind of contrived and they wanted to add a necromancy in Skyrim to be like a bit more chill so that you can do it and not feel heaps evil. And it's like, no, but the idea is you're bringing back this, you know what I mean?