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[Assistant] Allow me to misinterpret. That's a bit weird. Particles of chaotic creation, when flowing in reaction to the exertion of will, become daedrons that, though injurious to the mortal form, can nonetheless perform work.


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[Assistant] Underutilized aedrons usually return to quiescence, but if imbued with sufficient purpose, they may escape and coalesce to form potentia.


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[Assistant] So when I hear that, I'm like, hm, he earned it? Like, what does that mean?


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[Assistant] Or does it sound difficult because from a mortal perspective, but to the Daedra, he's actually just like they're kind of like slave accountant or he's just, you know what I mean? Doing everything behind the scenes that sounds super complex to mortals, but to them they're like, oh yeah, you deal with the Daedrons. I don't want to deal with the Daedrons.


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[Assistant] Just, just to, just to play devil's advocate, what if it's like being, say it's like being a dangerous advocate, say it's like being a plumber, right? Like, respectable job, somebody has to do it, but a lot of people wouldn't want to be a plumber, because they don't want to get


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[Assistant] Yeah, but you know what I mean, it's like, it can be a job that is really important and we 100% need it and the Daedra 100% need it to avoid the realm rips or, you know, to avoid the plumbing breaking so to speak. But nobody wants to do it. I don't know, I'm just, you know, I wouldn't be surprised.


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[Assistant] It is also interesting to consider that he's still a Daedric Prince, and they all have their own motives, and uhm, you know, they don't always keep to their, their sphere perfectly.


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[Assistant] I mean, for example, as one of his quests, he can just be like, go kill this vampire. I just, I just hate him. He's just, uh, a person you would hate. Go slay him. It's like,


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[Assistant] I mean, you could be like, that's going against the intended, sorry, maintaining intended order. Cause vampires are, you know, unnatural, but I mean, he's not like kill all vampires, kill all undead. That's not really his thing.


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[Assistant] You know, it, it, I guess I agree with everything you're saying. I just find natural order extremely hard to pinpoint.


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[Assistant] They're the afflicted, but for some reason the blight sounds really familiar.


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[Assistant] I mean he does send this disease as a blessing to them. Like he views it as a blessing.


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[Assistant] Um, like there is a lot of stuff, even in Elder Scrolls Online, you read about them and they're like really honored to have some disease and their ear is falling off, but they're like really keen and they're like, oh, I hope my...


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I like the, there's a piece called, uh, Talonja, the autophyser answers your questions too.


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[Assistant] And uhm, basically gets asked about the Thrasian Plague and Periite and Nymera. And basically the answer is yeaah, it could be because they're involved with pestilence and so on.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but then there's also the pestilent progeny thesis of that reprobate divath fear, which postulates that the infectious slugs that invaded Tamriel were mutated versions of the slowed's own infantile larvae. Uhm, so, I don't know, I just, it just sounds very slow to me.


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[Assistant] I mean, you never know, but there's actually a quest in the Elder Scrolls Online where there's a cult of Peri-ite.


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[Assistant] To me, it seems kind of hinted at, that it's like, hm, there's not the strongest connection, and if PeriEight's followers want to claim it, they're only gonna push it.


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[Assistant] Perhaps, but you can't really put, like you can't spot natural aura.


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[Assistant] As his work, like there's no clue, do you know what I mean? It's like, he could have done it without using followers, without leaving evidence. And it's, it even says like, you know, people think it's natural order. There's the Argonian Charm and theory, but it's quite popular to just think it was a natural cause.


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[Assistant] If all natural order is the work of peri-


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[Assistant] Like, look at other spheres that Daedric Princes have. If I'm a Imperial living in Cyrodiil, and I'm extremely ambitious, and I want to have the best, I don't know, jewelry store in the market district, and I'm like, hyper, hyper ambitious, am I operating in the sphere of Mehrun Dagon? Like, not really.


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[Assistant] You know, but it gets like, it gets fuzzy because then you can just look at everything involved in natural order and say this is all the work of peri- perhaps a lot of it is. It's hard to know who has claim over what, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] But you know, it also could, who, who knows the exact workings of the Daedra, but, uh, going back to the Nahartan Flu, you just can't, you just can't tell. Yeah, for sure I agree.


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[Assistant] I mean, here's, here's something interesting to kind of add to the idea that maybe he was responsible. It's one of the scraps of evidence you find in the Elder Scrolls Online and it's definitely not.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, all answering document, but it's a letter to Peria from a Daedric worshipper.


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[Assistant] It says, thank you, Periot. I know you will never read this, but I need to thank you in writing for listening to my prayers.


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[Assistant] This letter is written to you, but it is not for you. This letter is for all the non-believers, the doubters, the ones who scoffed when I told them the old gods would wash away their evil. I prayed to every Daedric prince that you are the one who answered, the one who saw that the only way to fix this city was to kill it from within and burn it to the ground.


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[Assistant] Even as the flu spreads through my body and the blood flows from my mouth, a smile crosses my face and a single phrase circles my fevered mind. Thank you, Peri-ite.


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[Assistant] But it's kinda like, I pray to every Daedric Prince to kill this city from the inside out, and then eventually a disease comes. And I'm like, oh, it was Peri, I- thanks. You know what I mean.


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[Assistant] I was speaking the second I said I know you'll never read this. I thought it was a valuable contribution. It was, it was.


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[Assistant] I mean the Nahatan Flu was active during the Elder Scrolls Online and that doesn't feel like it, it just...


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[Assistant] I mean it's still, I know it's still there, like it's definitely a thing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, something interesting actually with Peri-Ite's motives. If you look at the only Cure quest, things do get pretty vague.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like a lot of people extrapolating and making sense of that quest actually comes from a document that's found in like the Test Cells Dreamworld area of the game called Unsent Afflicted Letter, but it's not something that you actually pick up, I'm pretty sure.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because he says, basically Perriot says, uhm, I sent this blessing, a plague, uh, to


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then you, when you say, why does Orchandor deserve to die, Pariette just goes, an impertinent question, the elf must die, either carry it out.


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[Assistant] Either carry out my will or do not, you are not the only mortal agent I could choose. So, you don't get like a massive.


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[Assistant] And of course you get Spellbreaker. But there's not a whole lot of information there, and you can, when you do that quest, you can hear the afflicted have dialogue about how they regret.


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[Assistant] Uhm, some of them regret leaving High Rock and how Ochendo promised them that they would be communing with Peri-ite and they're not and they haven't heard Peri-ite and you know what I mean? Like there's...


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[Assistant] There's this kind of stuff. If you look at the unsent afflicted letter, which is probably too long to read, it talks about them, uh, leaving a place called, I don't know how to pronounce it, but it's like Kulalu. Uhm, place in High Rock. Uhm, anyway.


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[Assistant] So there's this, there's this illness and they all get sick and then Ochando comes and, and he's not like scared of their sickness.


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[Assistant] So he comes in like this monk and eats with them and speaks with them and learns all their names even though they have a disease and isn't afraid of that. Basically treats them like respectable humans despite them being afflicted.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then he basically explains that it's not a curse on their village, it's a beacon which drew him to them, and that he serves peri-ite, and that they all have to go with him. Uhm, and it actually mentions that they'd killed some Daedra worshippers.


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[Assistant] Uhm, before, like we burned Dina and Lucas not three years before after all.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not only that, but we rapidly heard what he had to say. Maybe you think we were too sick, too weak, but we weren't. So, he apologizes for their dead, uhm, and takes them away. Some were carried in carts and litters, but all made the trek with Orchendor across the border into Skyrim.


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[Assistant] And again, I don't know if this is technically law-friendly, because this book is found in the Test Cells Dreamworld area, which is a place you go with console commands. But still, like, there's this whole thing which they cut.


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[Assistant] Especially, like I said in Elder Scrolls Online, you hear people and they're all like, yes, I'm rotting and dying, but I love it, like, you know.


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[Assistant] I've heard themes out there like kinda like imagine living forever but you have a disease but you're immortal.


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[Assistant] They're just vibes though. Wouldn't be counting on that. Yeah, but I wouldn't be counting on it. I mean, let's be real. His biggest achievement is creating the dragon frog.


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[Assistant] And you two don't know what the dragon frog is. It's that little, it's that little frog in Hughes Bay. Viridescent dragon frog, player pet, old scrolls online. Oh, okay.


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[Assistant] That is cool. I mean, I'm not about the whole Elder Scrolls Online meme magic stuff. I just think it's a cute frog. Don't need to see it in Elder Scrolls 6 though.


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[Assistant] How many crowns? Oh gosh. Uh, another interesting thing I suppose we could talk about is Peri-ite's realm.


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[Assistant] Um, like the pits, it's, it's a very obscure kind of realm. No one really knows much about it. Just as here, Pariete guards the lowest orders of oblivion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now. I have a bone to pick with anyone saying it's the Deadlands. It might be. Now we all know Oblivion used like, uh, Mehrunes Dagon's Oblivion realm assets to do other things with Daedra, because let's be real, they weren't bothered to make other assets.


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[Assistant] If you actually look at Perriot's quest in Oblivion, it's about his followers getting, their souls get trapped when they try to summon him, which is just ridiculous because if they were good followers, they should know how it all works. But anyway, their souls get trapped in Oblivion and you're sent to go track them down and free their souls for him because they're all just immobilized around his shrine. Um, but his quote is,


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[Assistant] His quote is, I will transport you to the plane of oblivion in which they are trapped. He doesn't say I'm sending you to the pits, this is my realm. So it could be his realm.


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[Assistant] Look, when I, when I look at it, he was really like, I'll transport you to the realm, the plane of oblivion in which they are trapped. Unless his realm has multiple planes and one of them looks like that, then that's fine. Cause you know how there's different pocket realms and things like that? That's totally a possibility.


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[Assistant] It's just a carbon copy. It is literally a carbon copy of Meirin's Daegon's realm with the towers. No, but even like the towers and like the whole-


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[Assistant] That's, that's my point. That's my point. It's like, if, if there's an Elder Scrolls 6 quest, or at all, if there's an Elder Scrolls 6, if there's a quest where you can go to Peri-Ice Realm, the pits, and it doesn't look like that.


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[Assistant] That's perfectly fine and makes sense to me. I would- I would say that's law-friendly. I wouldn't be like, mm, no. You know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, perhaps that's his little side office for Mehrunes Dagon when he's like, doing the cleaning duties of that realm, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Maybe he is. It's cool, it is cool to like, make Daedric Princes sound more powerful, perhaps they're like way more interesting and important, and I guess they all are when you look into them. There's always more to learn about the Daedra, but it could just be, yeah, he is kind of like their janitor, like, it's not, it's not


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[Assistant] You know, he's a, he's a small, uh, fish in a big pond. Despite that pond being bigger than all the ponds that mortals will ever be in.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll just, I'll just read you some massive peri-art follower code.


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[Assistant] Mother will regret the day she spurned me. I wish to keep recording of course but it's getting a bit trickier to write since my third finger fell off. Like, okay. Doesn't sound good.


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[Assistant] Yeah, tends to be deadly in the Elder Scrolls world. I mean, just take a look at the Dark Brotherhood questline in Oblivion, you know?


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[Assistant] It was a shield made, um, for King Rourken in the battle with, like against Shalador. Shalador, yea, when they were going to Shalador. And he always gives it to you as a quest reward.


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[Assistant] And it's reflects magic. Um, it does depends on the game, you know, it can protect from reflect magic or dispel curses or silence mages.


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[Assistant] Like it has a few manifestations, but that's that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think that's about it for Peri. To be honest, I think we did a fairly good job. I liked this episode. I think that's as much as you can extrapolate from Peri as humanly possible. I'm surprised we went more than 10 minutes.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Muppet, I'm Scott here with Michael and Drew as always, and this is the Elder Scrolls Podcast. Today we are talking all about Meridia, the Lady of Infinite Energies, the Bright Lady, the strict but fair arbiter of inner luminescence, and with plenty of


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[Assistant] That's one of her names. Or the blister witch. Or the lady of greed. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So she is the Daedric Prince, uh, most associated like with light and energy of light and so on. And as we know,


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[Assistant] Uhm, and have talked about before, she is one of those Daedric Princes that doesn't necessarily fall into strictly like a Daedric Prince in the same way that Malacath is like a corrupted form of Aedra. She is a Magna-Gi that was cast out basically for, uhm,


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[Assistant] Was it Magnus or just the other Magna-Guy? I don't know. The whole lot. But anyway, so then, and then what she's sort of obsessed with light and aetherius and stuff. So her colored rooms realm is, is made, you know, bending the light coming from, you know, Magnus and, and stuff that's shining through, through aetherius. But, um,


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[Assistant] I mean, I guess Magne-Gee also literally, it's a, like a translation, Children of Magnus, or Star Wolf, and so. Which, for gods, does that mean?


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[Assistant] So I swear, there's been mythology references to them as the followers of Magnus and the way it's been said. Yea, there has been. Some things.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yea, so we can, we can start talking about, uh, her peak.


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[Assistant] Which I would argue is during, uh, the early first era slash Merethic era, basically the time when the alyds were starting to...


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[Assistant] Worship Daedra and Meridia was one that they really, really liked and that is because they represented what they thought was, she represented what they thought was the purest form.


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[Assistant] So uhm, a lot of them were very obsessed with Meridia, like cities like, uhm, Deiladil's one of them, uhm, there's other cities with a name, and then plenty of, uhm,


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[Assistant] What, what Meridia's greatest Daedric servants are, are the Aurorans, uhm, and those Aurorans were part of the Aelid armies that fought against the, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, Elysian rebellion at the time. So the men trying to free themselves. So, um, for the rest of, for humans and everyone looking at Meridia, she could kind of be seen pretty like very much associated with the alyds really. I don't think there's any other big culture that where she has been such a centerpiece.


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[Assistant] Uhm, another thing we should really talk about too is, uhm, she, you know, also called the lady of greed, some people look upon her less favorably, but it seems that she often uses her, uhm,


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[Assistant] The Daedric Prince kinda titles a little bit flustered, and if you actually look at like, uh, you know, Jiggalag's a god of order who's not really into free will, uh, Daedric Prince either, so it's not necessarily that like every single


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[Assistant] Daedric element has to be like, you know, inherently chaotic. It's more so the opposing force. There is a bit, but you know.


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[Assistant] We've talked plenty of times about this, but just for the, for the listeners, like Daedra and Aedra are often arbitrary. Like if you go and look at the Khajiit pantheon, they make no such distinction. Their distinctions lie across different lines. You know, it's like not always this pure, do you know what I mean? Like it's not this.


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[Assistant] It's a very elven idea, and that elven idea has, you know, uh,


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[Assistant] Flowed into a lot of the, like into the imperial cult religion and stuff. So they treat Daedra, um, disfavorably, but like there's nothing.


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[Assistant] It's not like they're inherently an evil demon outside of, like, perspective. Even though that's the perspective of a lot of, like, mainstream, you know, aedric religions. But, uh, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Well, cause it's like she's not this entirely like, um, like you, you, you know, just as you're saying, like obviously a lot of her statues look quite angelic and the light behind her head's almost like halo.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I was about to say, it's quite common, like, people often cite Meridia and Azura as like, oh, they're not the Daedric Princes that aren't wholly evil, but it's just, they often have like the presentation of, of benevolence and altruism, or I love my followers, or in Meridia's case is a bit more like, you know, I'm doing the right thing purifying, with my purifying light, but uhm,


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[Assistant] They're kind of, that's the, I guess the fault maybe of the Daedra is that they are, you know, they are like, you know, like you're saying like,


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[Assistant] Egotistic in the way that there are, there are personality, there are very set personhood rather than this sort of like loose, like, you know, like Christian ideas of, of, of God and so on. It's a bit more like this omnipotent, like it is a,


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[Assistant] Do you know what I mean? It's a cross being like, look, I'm not a theologist in terms of like, I don't want to step on anyone's toes in regards to Christianity, but he's a very big-


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[Assistant] She's the kind of like Azir and the way when you dig underneath, like they're not like the best like people, like she's pretty crook in the way that she, you know, she can bestow immortality to people, but she makes them her, her purified, which like removes all of their free will and ability to have any agency over themselves. So she kind of just turns you into like a, you know.


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[Assistant] She's uhm, to be honest, it's funny when you think about it like this because you're like, oh, you know, kind of good Daedric Prince on a, on a face value look, but she's probably one of the more psychotic ones out there. And the way that she, and I mean by psychotic is that she's deluded. You know, she, she really, like at least Mehrunes Dagon, like, you know,


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[Assistant] You know, you go psychotic cause destruction or something, but he's actually quite like consistent, you know?


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[Assistant] Well, we can, we can talk about that, so that's one of the examples in the ancient, uhm, and this has to do with the ESO main storylines, so back in the time when you've got the alyds and they've got their power, there's the Molag Bal worshipping city of Abagalus and the, uhm,


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[Assistant] The city of Deiladil, which is all the Meridia worshippers, and they were at odds, and basically Moloch Baal gifted them the, uh, Mortem Vivicus, uh, which is like some like,


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[Assistant] Generic, more like battle ESO super weapon that they feel in there, to be honest, as I take. And then there's an opposite one to that, which is the prismatic core, which is used, something used against it or something. But basically, I think Abagalus gets screwed over in, in the end. Um, Meridias.


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[Assistant] Win, but there's just one example of that sort of


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure, isn't it, it's a town, like a whole town gets pushed into cold harbor later.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, Meridia plays her part in helping, uh, prevent the plane meld and so on. And, and she's kind of like, it's kind of hard because like, I guess the other, the other big piece, um, is, is her whole,


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[Assistant] But then, uhm, Meridia plays a role alongside you to, uhm, to stop Nocturnal from actually succeeding.


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[Assistant] And there's this Golden Knight character who, uhm, was actually a, I think it's called Darion or something, a character that you met earlier in the Daggerfall Covenant questline, but he had become the...


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[Assistant] But couldn't you also make the argument that Meridia was enough of a soft stepping stone, but they wouldn't go as far as Merlach Baal. So if there was no Meridia option, they just wouldn't enter into it at all. Whereas, there's no gateway to Daedra worship at all.


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[Assistant] The only reason I think that's a sound enough theory just because uhm, also the prevalence of Meridia worship over the other Daedric princes as well, like they were like, it seems that they were more.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. I mean, morally for the humans, she kinda su- it sucked, like, did nothing good for Thor or for mankind, and, and I don't know if it really done- yeaah. I mean, I wonder if she- how she feels about the races of, uhm, men versus elves. Anyway.


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[Assistant] I mean, all I'm going off is she's helped elves before, like, you know, alyds and sort of favorably looked upon them, but- Was Darian a-


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[Assistant] Here's a chicken or egg scenario for you. I wonder if, uhm, the alyds, like, you know, advances in technology with light related stuff, you know, the welcome stones and the vala stones, if that was actually something they invented, then they kind of got


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[Assistant] You know, uh, got it on for Meridia or if it was actually the reverse and Meridia helped them harness these technologies.


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[Assistant] I mean, if you, cause that's the, oh, that's the other thing that kind of makes it seem that Meridia is very important to, um,


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[Assistant] The alyds broadly is that is the, you know, the reverence for light, which seemed to go through a lot of them as the element and the Vala Stones and the technology. Also, you know, you've got big figures like Umaril the Unfeathered as, you know, Meridia's champion and so on.


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[Assistant] We can kind of talk about the Aurorans a little bit. So, and I like the phrasing, I might just want to...


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[Assistant] Yeah, the idealized humanoid race of Daedra in the service. Yeah. Like I said, made from pure lie, but I love that. Like sort of.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which, which is fair. We, we kind of, we kind of talked about a little bit way back in the Golden Saint episode, but.


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[Assistant] They're, like how we were talking about how Daedra in general aren't just necessarily created and bound to one prince that perhaps there's the Golden Saints. Maybe, it seems like the Golden Saints would be native to here, yeaah, that's just on vibes, but then some went to the service of, uhm,


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[Assistant] In the Shivering Isles. Same deal with the Dark Seducers.


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[Assistant] Well, some of the Dark Seducers, not all of them. But yeah, some of the Aurorans are pretty cool. Like when you go through like the whole, uh, the symphony of blades, like, like some of them, the ones that we don't see in Oblivion, but see in ESO, like this big.


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[Assistant] Light figure kind of thing, but anything scaled feather, like winged golden, like it's funny. There's a lot of crossover in the motifs between, um, Aurel and Ailid stuff and Meridia, um, you know, Aurorans and all her architecture and stuff that she enjoys.


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[Assistant] And there's a phosphorescent aurora, blue and hue, there's some different like, coloured, I like that a little bit, the play on colours, because, I mean, we could talk about Meridia's coloured rooms, so it's like all of this big, um, coral reef, but kinda metaphysical kinda looking, and there's like, floating stones and stuff.


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[Assistant] I feel like that's usually with most, like anything that, look, let's be honest, anything that kind of restricts free will gets a little bit boring, like Jiggalag sounds boring as hell, like he's living in his existence or something, same as Meridia when she's obsessed with it. Particularly when there's no...


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[Assistant] Yeaah, just cause, so different. But uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we can move on to, oh well actually we should probably mention her, uh, her Khajiit, um, interpretation.


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[Assistant] Most of the negative stuff comes from this. So daughter of Magirus, who is the equivalent of Magnus in the normal pantheons. But, um, she actually, uh, she got together with, um, Dagon and Moloch Baal in this, which is kind of.


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[Assistant] Maybe Moloch, uh, Baron's Dagon makes a bit of sense. Maybe. But Moloch Bell doesn't.


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[Assistant] And modern Khajiit don't even acknowledge those myths. Period. Cause the whole riddle fuck. Yeaah, I don't like that.


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[Assistant] Um, as we're coming into this is cause we're going to be talking about her artifacts, but.


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[Assistant] Prior to Dawnbreaker, she had like nothing. Cause like, cause the ring of Khajiit, uh, Khajiiti, um, is as we know is the ring that Rejin, the thief god of the Khajiit people, um, stole off one of Mephala's arms. And Mephala has given the gift bef- oh has she? I can't remember.


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[Assistant] Or was it just stolen from her or has she given it? Hold on, I'm pretty sure it's been given by my follower.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Meridian Raffala, yep. Um, but yeah, so, so, so that ring, it's, you know, it's not even, I don't even know how it got into her possession. Really. Um.


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[Assistant] But it's, um, it's interesting because I even remember in, um, in Oblivion, I'm pretty sure her quest was really boring. Yeah, you go and- Like kill some bears or something. Kill some bears. Is that the one? Or was it near there?


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[Assistant] I'm thinking of a different quest then, next to it. Oh, destroying necromancers. Sorry, do you know the, I'm pretty sure the shrine is next to a little settlement where you go and kill a bunch of bears for this guy, and I don't know, in my head they always got linked in a head. Look, bears, necromancers.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, but I guess in she played I mean


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[Assistant] Yeah, then you get the Ring of Khajiit, and then the Champion of Cyrodiil goes on to sort of take the role of Penelon or Whitestrake in the fight against Umareli Unfurthered.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, there's a, the other things like we saw in the prismatic core is her other one, which is this, the powerful prismat- it's a core, powerful crystal to power the prismatic weapon. Uhm, and it was used by the forces of De La Dille against the Molag Bel worshipping.


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[Assistant] So they used one weapon to destroy the other one.


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[Assistant] I can imagine Dawnbreak is gonna come back, but imagine like, I feel like there's a lot of potential with just cool like, holy looking artifacts. Like imagine like a, even a curious kind of thing or like some kind of uhm, or queer ass or whatever it's pronounced.


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[Assistant] Um, like armor piece, but with like, you know, some sort of like, eagly wing looking thing on it, or some like, there's just, you know, auroran type armor stuff, like, there's so much cool stuff that could be, um, could be done.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I guess we can also just mention, I'll bring it up, it's from the Elder Scrolls Online, Greymoore. I'll just quickly read this bit on, uhm, her temple. So, Kilcreath Temple's been around for a while, so.


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[Assistant] Set in the mountains, that's where you go in Skyrim as well. Stands as a monument to Daedric Prince Meridia.


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[Assistant] Visitors are advised to avoid travel during feasts of high sun and low sun.


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[Assistant] When the temple's caretakers close its doors to conduct secret rites.


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[Assistant] So, I don't know what, uh, what's that, uh, High Sun, Low Sun about? I don't know. That's why it's secret. I guess so. Secret rites by the priests. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's hard to say. They're both egotistical as hell. Um, yeah, they both like have a facade of, of some kind of, you know, benevolence, but they're not on a deeper level. But I guess you can argue that they both bring kind of,


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[Assistant] I mean, I, I would say Azura is far more vindictive for sure. I think it's historical, I think. Just with the whole, like, Nerevarine deal and some other stories. As opposed to Meridia, but...


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[Assistant] Well, I wonder how it worked. I mean, the only thing I guess is that Aurel seems to have been always envisioned with like an eagle and like eagle symbolism has always been there. So there's always been some bird like stuff already. I think the thing that really drives home that Ailid sort of is in the songs of Palinor, like the mentions of beads and stuff and like,


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[Assistant] I think if you look at, um, if, uh, I might, I'll put it up on screen as well if I can find it, but, um,


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[Assistant] For the, uh, Beyond Skyrim project, there's one for the rest, obviously there's Bruma, but there's the rest of, uh, Cyrodiil as well. Uhm, but they've done art in that for a lot of the alyds and so on, and some of them have really cool, like,


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[Assistant] I prefer to envision them like they do as well, like some of the real more bird-like features and, but it's different. It's a little bit more like a.


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[Assistant] Tropical kind of vibe, well not tropical might be the wrong word, but it's a little bit different to just sort of the elven eagle kind of.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, if you even just type, yeah, Aelodama, have a look, there's some cool, I'll put it up, because it has all like the blue feathers and stuff as well, and like the talent, I don't know, it just looks a little bit different to like,


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[Assistant] I don't know why, but if you look at the ailed boots from oblivion, even they to me don't just, they just don't remind me of much of like, eagle. I mean, they kind of look like duck feet to be honest.


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[Assistant] But, uh, yeaah, you know what I'm saying is like, you know, the elven armor and oblivion even just feels a bit different to elven armor in, um, Skyrim, which is very clearly that like, eagle look. You know, I guess, I guess more emphasis on the wings in the Skyrim version.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. But, uh, yeaah, I think that they, what do you reckon Elder Scrolls 6? Do you reckon she'll get fleshed out decently? Have enough? Or if you reckon it will just be more of the same?


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[Assistant] Like her Daedric quest, cause I can't really, the only problem with her sphere being so straightforward and kind of like strict, it's kind of like, what are you going to expect? You're going to be killing some kind of necromantic thing. Look, you can, you can almost guarantee.


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[Assistant] You talked about it in the Elder Scrolls 6 Daedric Prince's video, but it's like,


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[Assistant] The idea of having Daedric Princes pitted against one another in quests and you sort of taking sides I think is such a much more interesting


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[Assistant] I mean, I lost, just to talk about, I guess to, um,


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[Assistant] The King Narrowmore, it was of Ghalas Malata, which was the Aleph city under his rule. And he was another big, um, Daedric Prince, sorry, Meridia devotee.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and he converted his entire city, and he actually became a Meridian Purified himself, so he could serve all eternity. And it was originally thought that, you know, the humans came and sieged Galas, Malata, and got rid of it, but...


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's actually sunk, or, or to itself or something, it's sunk? I can't remember. Cause I'm pretty sure this is the same one that... Scarlet Smolata, I'm pretty sure, is where you go to fight, really?


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[Assistant] In, uh, let me just find the oblivion. Cause it's that one that's near the, yeah, it's that one that's near the sea, like right on the sea there. And you go there to, um.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Yeaah. Nah, that's cool stuff. Night's the only thing, probably Night's the only thing, actually going collecting all of the things is kinda boring. But the whole concept and the lore that comes with it's mad.


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[Assistant] Well, I think that's about it. Okay, unless you guys have anything else to add to Meridia. She is one of the smaller princes, so...


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[Assistant] Yeah. I like hearing about her in other mythologies, but there's nothing that, I just don't think there is that. She's not diverse enough to really dive into more. Like, you kind of know it, it's upfront, straightforward. Purity, light, you know, daddy issues with Magnus, that's about it.


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[Assistant] It's funny, I wonder, cause we don't really have a chronology for when Jiggalag was cursed and turned into Chegorath and that whole thing started.


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[Assistant] But uhm, you know, Meridia is also known violent loathing of disorder and irrational anger towards entities she deems impure and hatred of mortal free will, uh, free will and defiance. But like, I wonder what her relationship would have been with Jiggalag if-


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[Assistant] Yeah, or perhaps because she's selfish and doesn't want to get, you know, beat out by an OP jiggler. Cause that's the problem. Remember like he's too overpowered. He was too overpowered.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Elder Scrolls Podcast, my name's Scott here with Michael and Drew as always and today we are discussing the Daedric Prince of Madness, Shayagora. So which one of you guys would like to start us off?


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[Assistant] I feel like it'd be pretty fair to say that he's the opposite of reason. Like he's the polar opposite of Jiggalag, which is like order, it's methodical, it's everything. And you know, obviously we'll get into this, but.


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[Assistant] It's like lots of disgusting, like controversial sort of like art that was really like provocative and that was all fueled him by the nightmares from Vamina that he put onto the page.


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[Assistant] The nightmares and he no longer had the inspiration and so on. And then his art from there just.


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[Assistant] It was terrible. I'm pretty sure. Like he lost the sort of like influencer. Maybe I need to pull that.


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[Assistant] And it's interesting in, in this story and also the other one, which we'll talk about with where he fights, um, Hircine. He has a battle of champions with Hircine.


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[Assistant] All his like decisions seem mad, like for example, like, like, or they're against reason, like a conventional reason, you know, for, for this bet, even for the nightmare one would be like, okay, I'm going to try and make him mad by doing X, Y, Z.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well we talked briefly just there about jiggle lag, but one of the fundamental parts we should sort of talk about is that when this whole curse happened,


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[Assistant] Uh, the Grey March comes every era, though it's not really defined, like it seems like a Shivering Isles era or whatever, but every period of time.


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[Assistant] Basically, Sheogorath's Curse kind of comes off and then he becomes Jiggalag once more, does the Grey March, destroys his whole realm and brings order to it only to turn.


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[Assistant] Back into Sheogorath and rebuild the Shivering Isles once more. Insane, but obviously, if you've played the Shivering Isles DLC, you play as the champion of Cyrodiil or hero of Kvatch or whatever you want to call the protagonist.


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[Assistant] They end up mantling, um, Sheogorath and they become the new Sheogorath which kind of splits.


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[Assistant] Jiggalag and Sheogorath as individual people. And you can sort of, there's nods in the Skyrim quest when you, when you meet Sheogorath, he sort of says something.


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[Assistant] Uh, like a quote about like fun times in the past where he says something about like, uh, like a fox, uh, amulet or something. I can't remember the exact quote, but it's like referencing a bunch of different guilds and, and quests from oblivion about that. But like, obviously as you can see, no matter what race.


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[Assistant] They also are, like when you become a, if you're a Daedric Prince or you become sort of mantle of Daedric Prince.


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[Assistant] Your form isn't necessarily, like it's not saying canon, the hero of Kvatch was, was a...


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[Assistant] Human looking dude, like it doesn't matter what you were, it could kind of, you just kind of become this old Shagorath looking thing, you know what I mean? His sort of form.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it's all of it. I think because once your Daedric Princes can present themselves differently to everyone and obviously like to a lot of people, I guess they're humans and so on, but like the gods that they're most associated with. So the Khajiit, like everything's a cat to Khajiit and they will even like present themselves physically as that. You know what I mean? Like as a- You know, the Nord gods manifest.


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[Assistant] But it's still like, uhm, I think all of those powers are within it just to manifest differently and different cultural interpretations, but I think it's what you're mantling is still the core entity at the center of it all.


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[Assistant] Just a quick reference, one of the things when he's talking about the events of Oblivion, he unread like things are like butterflies, blood, a fox, a severed head and cheese, but like, you know, the severed head from the dark brotherhood kind of quest line, like blood from the blood of the Daedra, divine's main quests and the gray fox, like fox and so on.


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[Assistant] In what's strange though, like 3000 years, like what does that mean in terms of time, just because, you know, time in oblivion is different?


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[Assistant] Well, we mentioned, we mentioned that, um, so there's the skooma cat, the Khajiit's interpretation or Shagara.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but there is also the Kaima and Dunmer and so on, and like we kind of briefly mentioned before, that, uh, he's one of the corners of the four, uh, houses of, uh, House of Troubles. And, um, Sheogorath, you know, is basically tries to make


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[Assistant] No, it's not Terra, it's the other one. Ah, the Daedric helmet of Terra. It's one of the helmets, but it's the one of Boethiah.


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[Assistant] That represents Boethia and I like that and I wish it's something that would bring forward into the games and so on, but like.


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[Assistant] You know, like a Daedric mask of- I mean some- I guess Clavicus Sparrow's already got his mask of Clavicus Sparrow, but y- you know.


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[Assistant] Just to quickly add a tiny tantric related to before I sent it in the chat, you can have a look and I'll put it up on screen, but there's actually a more, there's a Morrowind mod that puts the concept art Daedric faces back into the game. The ones that didn't weren't in the original that because there were three. Oh, that's so good.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Like, it's cool stuff, and it's like, I wish that kind of stuff was back into the games, and yeah, it makes, and like, you know, even that one with Sheogorath, it...


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[Assistant] From dialogue in Morrowind, apparently, uhm, they picked up more, he picked up more followers in Morrowind following the, uhm, Armistice. So when Tiber Septim, you know, took Morrowind and they made the agreement. And that, uh, apparently there was more like people that flocked to Shagorath in secret.


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[Assistant] In terms of, like, if I was just to give my subjective opinion on Shao Gorath, like, he's a solid part of everything. You hate him. He's a solid part of the, of the universe and stuff. I, I just still...


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[Assistant] I can't get around the sort of like putting him as your favorite because I feel like sometimes his shtick is just sort of...


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[Assistant] It's unpredictable and crazy. And so, so sometimes it's kind of hard to like.


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[Assistant] Like I often find personally even like the parts I like of Shagoratha, like some of the lore bits or like the potential more darker crazy bits so I can latch onto like those parts of it, but like I'm not really a giant fan of like the, the cheese, the whimsical, like sometimes there's parts of it and you see it in the Shivering Isles quest line, like and the Shivering Isles themselves is a really cool looking realm.


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[Assistant] But like, I like when he says, like, you know, when he's like, you know, skip rope with your guts and stuff. And it's kind of like, he's saying it's so funny, but it's kind of like, he's actually deadly serious. And that's what's kind of cool. Like, I like him at times, but then other, I didn't, he just gets a bit old, I think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I get, my one thing is like, I guess, I mean, maybe like, I dunno, maybe it's just the randomness that sometimes doesn't appeal to me as much, like it's kind of, like...


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[Assistant] It's kinda, sometimes I feel it's a little bit, haha, I'm so random, XD. Like that's kind of what I get from you, man. I'm like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, obviously they could change in the gameplay, but you know, for example, like you like, you know how the mask of Clavicus Vile, for example, has a really good


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[Assistant] Story mythology to it, regardless of how you divvy up its stats and stuff from game to game, you know, whether it's bootstrap speech craft or buying prices or whatever, the mythology in the, in the, in the, the feel of the mask is consistent. That make sense?


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[Assistant] Like, well, I mean, like, look, and so is the Wabberjack is consistently just, like, doing its, like, whack things or so on. I guess it just appeals to me less. Like, you know, if someone's, like, tells you about, like, the ancient sort of Excalibur, it's like, it's kind of got, like, a thing to it. It's like...


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[Assistant] Hey, maybe they should do some like, and it's obviously, it's all gimmicky and stuff, but it would be fun if like, imagine if there was some kind of like mask or something, I don't know what effects, but imagine you're playing all the scroll sticks and there's like a shagorath like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I guess like, cause I like more so like some of the Sheogorath stuff in the lore and kind of what he could be like, I love some of the concept art done for the Shivering Isles and Sheogorath and so on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but I like it, like those elements, I just guess I'm just down like, um, take down the, uh, whimsicalness a notch. It's not like, whimsical's not even the word, I guess, just, it's the memery, you know what I mean? Like,


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[Assistant] This sounds so like pretentious, but like the 12 year old humor, like the cheese, like if you just dial it down a bit and then.


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[Assistant] Cause it's good that he feels, like when you're talking dialogue, when he feels unpredictable, that's the, that's the best part. When it's like either or, like he's being happy and friendly and nice all of a sudden and talking about the whimsical things he loves, but then all of a sudden turns like,


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[Assistant] Like, threatens to skip with your guts and stuff like that. That's the peak, I think. And I think there's also potential. They haven't really hit it since 2006.


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[Assistant] There is tons of potential. It's all kind of, we talked about it before and Michael did a video on it, the Daedric Princes and so on. And, but like what we'd kind of like to, to see anyways is more Daedric Prince interactions in game, like quests that are perhaps like pit one against the other and you've kind of got to choose.


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[Assistant] But it's a single player. ESO, but a single player. He's the new artifice.


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[Assistant] I mean, I'm not 100% sure, but like it, you know, obviously it's happened with Elder Scrolls Online and I'm pretty sure, maybe I'm just guessing at this, but I feel like there is more like DLC land space than the original ESO that's been there. So I wonder if they take a similar approach, but it's all single player. Given how many DLCs there are.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so like imagine if it is li- like that, then maybe it starts off and it's like Hierarch or Hammerfell or both.


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[Assistant] But DLC as in content, if it's like actual extra areas, new quests, new lands, new items all within it. But if they start selling the items or selling like, here's your new piece for your house or settlement or whatever.


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[Assistant] I don't even know if they will do like a live service kind of thing cause I don't know how well it kind of works out monetarily like the DLCs.


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[Assistant] I feel like it came up in the Malacath podcast, which wasn't that long ago, I think.


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[Assistant] What do you think in terms of interpretation, like, I dunno, maybe if this is like, like I knew you, Michael, you're comparing to like Clavicus Vile before about deals and so on. And I was sort of thinking like, maybe one of the differences is that like Clavicus Vile is very.


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[Assistant] You know, I'll make this deal with you. Rather than sort of a malevolent nurse, like all of his cruelty and everything as a result.


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[Assistant] Obviously straight up insanity. Like if you imagine some really unhinged person who is a god and then all of a sudden like, you know, he's helping you because you worship him and so on. And then all of a sudden he's having a bad like internal drug trips. That's what his mind's all the time. And you look like some evil kind of thing. And then he's like, no, let's kill you. You know?


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[Assistant] Yeah. Well, I guess, like, that's what I guess I want to see from Shegorath more, is proper insanity rather than just, haha, I'm funny. Like, like rather than, oh, I don't, I don't like, you know, adhere to normal, um, norms. I just talk about, um, cheese and like, yeah.


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[Assistant] Just as to like the uh, the talking about myths and which uhm, like if you there can be real or not.


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[Assistant] I guess a good, like, thing, framework to work with the Elder Scrolls too.


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[Assistant] Is that even in like, you know, you can look at Michael Kirkbride and a couple of other people that have talked about like world building in general, they'll say, um, you know, what does, what does the, it's going along lines of like, what does the king think? What does the, the commoner think? Like, what does the dog think? And unlike these different stages of belief. So like this kind of myth.


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[Assistant] Might make more sense to someone who like might be a peasant, like doesn't have an understanding and like an arcane understanding of things like, like all of these myths come from different people from different walks of life who have different levels of understanding. So when you're, but when you're looking like, you know, if you're us looking at the law.


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[Assistant] We're just looking at it with like a total and all knowledge, but you gotta remember like all of the people inside the universe don't have access to this full understanding. Like, because a lot of it's illegal too in the Empire, like a lot of Daedric Prince understanding.


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[Assistant] You have to kind of join Daedric Colts or be part of big magic institutions and stuff to really get a lot of...


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[Assistant] It's a bit of a wack part, but like one of them, I think it's in the Complete Guide to Gods, but the idea.


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[Assistant] All of the creation stories are kind of like, equally valid in ways. And like, there's evidence for all of them. Like, for example, like, Sovngarde gives validity to Shor and, you know, the sort of Nordic understanding of like, Shor's death fighting against Elven gods and so on.


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[Assistant] Whereas you go to the Khajiit stuff and elsewhere, which gives validity to their version of creation events. And it's kind of.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and the way, because the Dawn era, remember when, when you come around, when you come around in the kalpa, like it's kind of the time, like there wasn't like a linear sort of time yet. It wasn't, it's all insane. It's all a jumble of endings and beginnings.


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[Assistant] That's pretty cool. Actually, I like that story. That's a good one. Yea, me too, it's one. And like, that's the kind of show Gora, I just want to see more in-game like that kind of level of insanity.


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[Assistant] It's also, as we were just talking about, um, mythology and like whether there's validity to it, to me it kind of sounds like a Breton King maybe or so on, but one thing you gotta- Yeah, it doesn't say. Yeah, it's vague.


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[Assistant] In the way that like beliefs, uh, um, myths can be believed, it's the same as, um, like, you know, like King Arthur is completely fictitious, but it becomes like an important myth and people, the reason it's like, you know, it keeps going on, like people going, oh, that didn't happen necessarily because they can kind of,


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[Assistant] You can trick like people into believing it over centuries or so on, you know what I mean? Like people can kind of, you know, and like how they suggest that like lots of like characters, like, you know, that even King Arthur is like an amalgamation of a bunch of different kings that did the things that kind of comes out in this like little myth or something. Like I wonder what the truth is behind it.


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[Assistant] The King Wyandia stuff or something, or if it's just a cultural myth or there was any like root in.


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[Assistant] Actual history, but you just throughout like from the point of view like all of these myths to me for some reason, like they seem very like.


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[Assistant] From someone without like an expansive understanding of Shagrath, like it doesn't sound like a myth, I guess that, that, um, that like a, like a sorcerer is telling you or something. It sounds like a myth that, you know, that the common folk are talking about. Whereas some of the others, like maybe the Accords of Madness sometimes seem like kind of,


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[Assistant] Maybe this is, I don't know if this is a hot take or it's a lukewarm take or whatever, but just like, I think it's the, it is the best for world building. Like unreliable narrative. Like you just, the second you start giving like concrete answers, it loses it.


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[Assistant] But when you learn it or you know it or you see it, you kind of take it for granted and it stops being this sort of exciting discovery of new things, you know? So yeaah.


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[Assistant] Right, so that's suggesting he's born- That's from varieties of faith. Yeaah, born when Lorkhan was created- I was- I had his heart ripped out and Mundus was created.


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[Assistant] You know, they would have different, differing languages and so on. Like there, there is like, you know, they say there's Aldmeri and Dwemer languages and stuff like that. So obviously in the Summer Sedals, the reality would be that they're all sort of speaking like an Aldmeri language, like their native language or so on. But then you have these like myths as they go.


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[Assistant] As you go further and further back, it's like, I wonder what they call these things as ideas or so on, as you get really, really ancient, like in um,


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[Assistant] That uhm, but yea, anyway, it's just interesting that like, a lot of these gods could go by completely different kind of concepts or names or whatever in ancient times.


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[Assistant] Although I would say it's a specific kind of sex. It's like I would associate n-


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[Assistant] I'd associate, like, marital sex with Mara, like, uh, just sex for enjoyment with Dibella, and then, Mafala sex is a slightly deranged kind, it's like, I want something from you, so I'm gonna use sex to get it. That's what Mafala's all about.


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[Assistant] We'll see, we'll see how we go. She's the Daedric Prince of kissing and it's, you know, it's all about, it's none of that stuff, it's just kissing. And cuddles. Honestly, Mafala is the most cunning, meticulous and like,


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[Assistant] She's kind of a cold and calculated sigma female. Really. Like, everything she does is for a purpose. It's for her own gain in some way or another. Even if we're not really privy to why that is.


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[Assistant] That's an interesting thing about it, is if you imagine, like, we normally describe Mundus as a wheel, you know, it's kind of, you've got the outer rim, then you've got the spokes that go into the center, and the center is Mundus, the mortal realm. And if you look at a spiderweb, it's very similar in construction, except much more detailed, there's much more going on.


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[Assistant] And of course this is like a grand metaphor for kind of the creation story of the aedra, the divines who


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[Assistant] Impostors who essentially usurped Lorcan's creation and act like they're the brilliant ones.


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[Assistant] There's something fairly simple you can extrapolate from all of that as well, and that's kind of like, it's pragmatism and practicality. Like, it's something that...


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[Assistant] The Chima essentially being a love letter to Lorcan. And, you know, like, uh, Bwiffia.


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[Assistant] Uhm, betraying Trinamac is very like, uhm, heart on the sleeve acting, whereas Mephala is very practical and in a way, even though Vivec is, you know, warrior poet,


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[Assistant] He is also very practical, he kind of keeps everything going while Sophie Sylle is off doing his own thing, and while, uh, Omalexia is fairly unpredictable when it comes to her love versus her anger.


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[Assistant] And you know, Mafala is calculated and everything she gave to the Kaima was very practical.


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[Assistant] England is the perfect example, isn't it? You know, it's like taken over by French kings a thousand years ago. The nobility never bothered to really, um, become a part of the culture. And that's why it's still called England after the people who came before, you know, it didn't change.


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[Assistant] Yeah, well, I remember like, you know, as a simple example, uhm, I-I see that hypocrisy in myself all the time because...


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[Assistant] I meet like most people, but then if I, you know, if I'm watching a TV show or something, or if I'm walking through a farm, like through farmland and I see there's a cow that's going to be slaughtered sometime soon, I feel like a pang of sadness in my heart.


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[Assistant] And it's like, well, just because I'm not, yea, just because I'm not there watching it happen, it doesn't mean I'm not taking part, but you know, this is a whole vegan debate that somehow connects to my father, but you get the idea that yea.


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[Assistant] Messing with mortals as playthings, you wouldn't really think that her web would expand beyond the Mundus, but there's the idea that it encompasses the whole Orbis, is that she's interested in everything even beyond it.


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[Assistant] Like we said with sex, it's specifically why it's important to use the words like murder and assassination as opposed to killing, because, you know, if it was just killing in general that was part of her sphere, then she would be the warlord Daedric Prince, you know, who, uh,


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[Assistant] Who is worshipped when armies go into battle, but no, it's very specifically...


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[Assistant] Individual assassination or murder for some ulterior motive.


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[Assistant] The greatest success generally comes when there's a, a person or a group of people who are kind of like unassailable at the top who, who rule everything. And you know, the Morag Tong aren't the arbiters of justice when at the end of the day, the tribunal have more power than them. It almost feels like, sorry. No, no, that was pretty much the point.


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[Assistant] And after that whole conversation of Mafala's truths not being...


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[Assistant] You know, conspicuous. Uhm, that plays into it perfectly, that if she is secretly the Night Mother, she has no...


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[Assistant] You know, the idea is that Buifia consumed him, but there's one story which the Orcs tell, uhm, that Mephala was there as well and stabbed Trinimac in the back, and that's the only reason Buifia was able to best Trinimac.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, you know, the Khajiit were created from a deception, you know, Azura taking Nurni's children without her knowledge as well. So, you know, very much like the origins of the Kaima, a betrayal takes place before the race is born.


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[Assistant] I mean, one thing I really like about Mafala, which I researched a bit after reading a really good sci-fi book called The Children of Time,


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[Assistant] Uhm, is just the fact that she's a spider. Obviously, the idea of the web and having, you know, many limbs for the, you know, the hands she's got in all of these different political machinations and things like that. That's all pretty cool.


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[Assistant] But I was looking at the way spiders communicate and, and interestingly, if you, you know,


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[Assistant] A few years ago, it's like to, to spiders, they're, the threads of their web are like guitar strings and they can pick up very specific frequencies and it ties in really well to just


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[Assistant] The way Mundus exists, you know, the whole song, Lorcan's beating heart. You've got the, all the different connections to music, especially in Morrowind.


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[Assistant] And, uh, yeaah, I just thought that was really cool and, you know, the idea is that if they're perfectionists as well, so if they mess up a strand, they'll consume it, digest the proteins, and then do it again.


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[Assistant] And, uh, you can see that very much with the way she interacts with her followers. So say she chooses a champion to wield the ebony blade, they're carrying out her will. So it's not just using, you know, she wouldn't just use them to be a plaything. There's always something to be done to make the web more perfect.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like even just like conversations, you know, like, uh, if, uh, if a group of people are plotting to overthrow a king or something.


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[Assistant] Just like the vibrations for a web, she can, she can sense those and she's privy to everything and it's like, you know, you can see why, you know, another reason beyond what we talked about earlier of why she's connected to Hamaes Mora because I feel like of all gods, she's privy to the most.


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[Assistant] Mundus specifically in the Elder Scrolls is that it's kind of Lor'Khan's spitting in the face of determinism. It's like Anu's per- perfection. He takes limitation and created Mundus as like the, uh, like the house of Sifis. It's all about limitation. So it's where chaos runs free. So it kind of...


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[Assistant] Maybe the Elder Scrolls were deterministic, but since then, it's like it's been meddled with, and now Chaos Rite reigns supreme.


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[Assistant] Anyway, it's order versus chaos. And you know, chaos is essential to the story as being kind of like, at least I interpret it as being the force that can't be determined.


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[Assistant] That made it essential for the soul of Anu, Anuel, Auriel to be able to reflect upon itself and receive feedback that they couldn't control in any way, shape or form. You know? But anyway, yeaah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, cause like, Azura is also called the keeper of all gates and keys, and you've got the story that Noctra stole one of Azura's keys, which you assume is the skeleton key.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and there's all kinds of potential involved in that that you can delve into. But the way I've kind of seen it, which might actually be simple and not too well thought out so far,


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[Assistant] Is uhm, that kind of, the way the, the Dunmer subscribed to this triangle truth that Boevia talks of.


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[Assistant] The jacarge that the Khajiit have is kind of what the keys and the gates are referring to, because it's like essentially the jacarge is the cycles of the moons, it's what the lunar lattice, it holds everything together in the Khajiit.


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[Assistant] So if anything would go wrong, that's why you have, like, the main who...


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[Assistant] Uhm, my way of interpreting it has always been that that's kind of just like, keeping the mortal realm, uhm...


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[Assistant] Well it can, cause I imagine for the Khajiit, you can leave, you can escape, break through the lunar lattice and leave the Mundus, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're breaking the cycle, if you know what I mean, it's like it can be.


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[Assistant] It sounds kinda like the One Ring, doesn't it? Like, you put it in the fire and it stays perfectly cold and it relishes on deception, you know?


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[Assistant] I kind of see it as, almost in a literal sense, it's her fa- it's, it's her fang that she gives to someone. And it kind of just takes a, you know, perhaps she can give it a different shape or give it kind of, uhm, aesthetic ability, you know, ability that doesn't actually really get to the bottom of what it is.


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[Assistant] But, you know, like, uhm, I mean, slight tangent, but it is related to the Ebony Blade is, you know, one of the names the Khajiit give it is the killing word, which we've, you know, put together a video on that.


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[Assistant] And the killing word seems appropriate because of everything about her sphere of lies and deception. It's that, you know, if you boil down the sentence, it's like,


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[Assistant] A word can be more deadly than a blade. It's like, you know, a king ordering an execution or somebody, um, sorting out an assassination or whatnot, like giving the word. Or telling a lie. Or telling a lie that gets someone else, you know, inculcated for a crime.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like it is cool to see Daedra Lords interacting and collaborating, but sometimes it's hard to understand quite why.


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[Assistant] Well apparently his followers rubbed the excrement all over themselves to change them.


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[Assistant] And interestingly in Orcish culture, how, like, you know, the concept of Maluk, I think is how they say it. Um, some people aren't really sure whether or not that's an Aedra or a Daedra. Like not Malekath specifically, but Maluk is kind of like a.


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[Assistant] Uh, kind of in between, or some people see him as aedric, some as daedric. And to me, it just makes me think of how orcs in general, they're kind of the outcast. They're not elves anymore, but they're not men.


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[Assistant] They've just been designated into this corrupted state where they're not, you know, always recognized.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know what you mean. It's kind of like you have to be in the in group. You have to be an outcast. You have to be isolated from society. I mean, even the orcs that leave strongholds to go and live in the city are kind of looked down upon by stronghold orcs. Like the city orc is like a weak, a weak orc, to them at least.


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[Assistant] You know, like he doesn't respect that and he wants the orcs to, you know, stay with their culture and stay strong. And I mean, we even see in the Skyrim quest how the chief Yamars becomes weak and, you know, giants will literally attack because they're not viewed as a formidable force, the orcs that is.


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[Assistant] And so you go and help, obviously, Yamaz with the giant and he is a weakling and he tries to betray you and so on and so forth, but you can see how kind of


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[Assistant] That orcish culture of needing to be strong, needing to be an outcast.


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[Assistant] Like you were saying Scott, it's not really conducive to building a civilization or any kind of change. It's static. It's static and repetitive and preserving this is the way, don't change it. And you know, even in, I think it's oblivion, like you need a really low personality or an orc to speak to Malacath.


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[Assistant] I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, like, you're considered, like, too beautiful, almost, to, to, to speak to him.


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[Assistant] So I was gonna say Namira likes all the outcasts, like all kind of outcasts. And I just wanted to re-clarify, I did bring up the Oblivion quest here, and it does say the beautiful thing.


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[Assistant] One of the orcs at the shrine will mention that the followers don't like beautiful people, and suggests that maybe you can convince Malekath that you're not so beautiful, or him, that you're not so beautiful on the inside.


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[Assistant] So, if you have more disposition, he tells you they don't like non-orcs, and that you should approach the shrine at your own risk. If you're an orc, the malakatha worshippers will be welcoming, and you won't need any disposition boosts, but either way you need the troll fat to activate the shrine. Uhm, but if you're not an orc,


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[Assistant] Uhm, Malekath will treat you worse. Like the first thing he says is, oh good, nice present from a nice orc too, double good, orcs are smart, blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] He actually says, you know, you want something, you do what the boss tells you. So it's kind of like, you know, he does boss them around. They are kind of his children in a way, but if you're not an orc, it's just, oh, that's good.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you want something, if you're smart, you'll do what I tell you. Like, he doesn't-


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[Assistant] What literally is, isn't it like he's, I mean, it could be figurative, but I assumed it's literally his son. It's like he's- Oh, I see.


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[Assistant] Oh, it's a demi-prince called Emegro Kera. So, I mean, just to provide background on that story, so there's this renowned orcish warrior, Emeg.


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[Assistant] And, um, Shaya Gorath basically gives him this, this sword, known as the Neb Crescent. Not Crescent, but spelt the same without the T. And it's like a sword of bloodlust, like you hold it and it just makes you want to kill everything.


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[Assistant] And so giving Emeg this sword, he murders a young orc girl in this frenzied haze and just runs away.


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[Assistant] Then Shaya Gorath brings Malekath to the scene of the crime, and says, you know, look at this orc girl, cause Malekath likes orcs, like she was murdered and slaughtered, like, I want you to exact vengeance, and he convinces Malekath to exact vengeance, but says you must do so with this sword.


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[Assistant] And so he gives Malekath the neb crescent and then Malekath, it says manifested in the direction the killer was fleeing and drew the blade and which further fueled his rage and then he just lops off his head. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And then he realizes that it's his biological son that he has damned to the realm of the mad god, Shere Gorath. But then you got to feel sorry for Malekath.


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[Assistant] Sharegorath comes to the scene to claim the still sentient head of Emeg and the Neb Crescent. Malekath stayed behind and mourned as he heard the pleas of his son being carried off into the distance.


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[Assistant] That's just heartbreaking. See, it's- but I like it because it shows- I mean, we always know Shagrath's crazy, but it really shows him in more of a dirty light, like he is-


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[Assistant] Just, he's not like a haha cheese, like he can be like very, very, cruel, just for the sake of being very cruel.


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[Assistant] I suppose, I guess it's not just one particular race, but I mean, there are different Daedra that have, you could say favorites, only because the race worships them. I mean, look at the Dark Elves and the three good Daedra there. Um, but they are found in other, yeah, they are found in other.


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[Assistant] It is interesting as well how in his code, I don't know if this is just like a projection of what happened to him, but it's very like anti-betrayal. Like if you look at Orcish society, it's very honest.


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[Assistant] Or it's supposed to be, like it's very simple, it's straight forward, it's like, cause there's a story of like Boethiah betraying him in different ways or sneaking up on him and doing this, but you know, if you look at the code of Malok, it's like, you know, no stealing, no murder, no assault, uhm,


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[Assistant] The blood price. That sounds scary, man. I wouldn't want to do that because it's based on the victim. The victim decides when they're satisfied with how much blood is spilled and you can imagine someone who's angry could just be overly spiteful and like just let someone bleed out hardcore.


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[Assistant] I mean, it's a very might is right society. They settle their disputes with violent fights, but I suppose they're upfront about it. They don't settle it by coming and killing you in the night.


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[Assistant] I mean it's not efficient, it's just not efficient. Imagine if you have two strong orcs. Like they're really, really strong. They're stronger than, I don't know, better fighters than like the next 10,000 imperial dudes.


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[Assistant] But if they're in the same tribe, like say it's father and son, one of them's gonna die because one of them has to be chief. So it's a, you know, it's a, it's a massive waste of a perfectly capable fighter.


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[Assistant] Who could otherwise have been used, but didn't get to live because he wasn't as strong as just someone else in his tribe.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's kind of like, you know, I don't know if eugenics is the right word, but kind of like that. It's just like planned, planned only spreading the best, most powerful genes of, you know, based on combat purely.


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[Assistant] When I talk about them wasting a good warrior, I only mean from a purely utilitarian kind of perspective, like what has the most use.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean another, another big reason and I've talked about this before, I think in why the orcs always lose video, but basically it's like the orcs spread all over Tamriel.


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[Assistant] Like yeaah, there was Orsinian, but they spread everywhere. Instead of, oh, we're the Dark Elves, or the Chima I should say, and we're going to Morrowind.


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[Assistant] So like, oh, here's Orsinium, a bunch of orcs all come from different places. Like, no, this is the way the code should be followed. No, this is how it should be done. We should worship Trinimac or Malacath and so on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so it's not like they really feel like a strong history-based group who would be writing down everything and describing everything that happens.


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[Assistant] But he hasn't really been guiding them in the best way. If you, if you think about it, like the orcs life is, I mean, you could say it makes them stronger, but you could say that about, you know, any people who aren't doing well, but uhm, they're, they're not doing well anywhere. The goblins aren't doing well, like the goblins are a race that,


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[Assistant] It's like the parent, like, unhealthily trying to live vicariously through their child. They're like, no, I'm the outcast god. You have to stay. You should be an outcast too, to experience what I experienced. Because, like, he doesn't like the beautiful people. Imagine if orcs became somehow the most prosperous race.


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[Assistant] And like, but, but, but kind of like they'd have to give up that code. Just imagine everyone loves orcs.


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[Assistant] Orcs take on cosmopolitan values. You know what I mean? Like imagine like they're just super respected and loved for whatever reason. They're walking around the Imperial City, everyone loves orcs. Oh, Cath wouldn't like that.


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[Assistant] One thing that I find, um, interesting about Malekath is actually, I'm pretty sure somewhere he, he presents himself as a, as a female, like with green eyes or something. I know it's, it's, um, Greg, in the Greg Keyes novel.


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[Assistant] Malacrath agreed to help the pair after hearing their story, as Saul's motivation was revenge which delighted them.


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[Assistant] There are some things in like the Gregory, the Greg Keys novels that are kind of out there compared to other Elder Scrolls interpretations, but nevertheless, they're pretty interesting. I actually really want to make some videos where I will make like, summaries of the books for people as videos.


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[Assistant] It'll take a long time, but like, I think it'd be cool.


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[Assistant] They're not, but I think, imagine you read a chapter, then you have to summarize it, then read a chapter, summarize it, and then, you know.


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[Assistant] I was gonna say it's interesting, apparently Azura considers him quite powerful.


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[Assistant] Uhm, from Eldestraw's online dialogue. Uhm, and you know the Coldharbour Compact? There was eight Daedric Princes that, uhm, signed that. And Malacath was one of them. Azura, Boethiah, Hamaeus, Morah, Hercene, Malacath, Mehrunes, Dagon, Moleg, Baal, and Sheogorah.


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[Assistant] Created in response to the destruction of Gilverdale by Molag Baal.


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[Assistant] To stop Daedric Princes manifesting on Nirn. It's interesting that Malacath was chosen. I don't know if it's just because he has reference in, like, um, Dark Elf religion and Star IV if it's just because he was one of the only ones who would sign it and the other ones didn't want to.


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[Assistant] It's like Nocturnal, Nocturnal is considered like one of the most powerful Daedric Princes, but she's not always at least trying to take over the world.


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[Assistant] And in that, there's a storyline where there's goblins and they're in fourth era Skyrim and they're worshipping this blue god, but then you uncover that the blue god is just an orc who's painted himself with like a, like a blue mushroom fungus paint or something like that and he's a fake. So it's a bit, bit cringe.


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[Assistant] I mean even in-game it's interesting but it seems like sometimes, uhm, it's not always the case but I swear there's in-game stuff about like ogres not attacking, uhm, different orcs and stuff.


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[Assistant] I just, I just have to check. I'm not 100% sure if it's true that they don't attack Orc NPCs. I have a feeling it could have been the fact that the Orc NPC was a vampire and that they're like, oh, it's just another gross creature like type NPC and we're on the same team.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I'm only speaking on oblivion because I've just done a whole bunch of testing and things get very strange.


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[Assistant] It's like they're Sovngarde, and they all have, they're all a chieftain, they all have a thousand wives, and they all just fight and drink and party and do what they want forever.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and I'm not even kidding by the way, just so everyone knows that, that whole thousand wives and everyone's a chief thing, that's for real. And every wife has a thousand slaves to cater for their every need.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, it is interesting actually to note, and I think again, this is one of the novels. Um, but there are some areas that are safe for mortals to go.


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[Assistant] Uhm, apparently, Prince Atrebusmead and Saul were taken by, uhm,


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[Assistant] Oh no, Malacath, hold on, they found a garden of slender trees and quote, vines festooned with lily-like flowers.


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[Assistant] I think it was an area where they could, where they could go. But generally speaking, you do need levitation and magical breathing. Um, it's cool that they keep the, uh, in the majors. There's an item in the Elder Scrolls Online where they actually keep some of the ash pit, um, like vapor in a little vial.


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[Assistant] That's just cool. And that actually ties into one of the artifacts, uh, the brutal bands.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which are like, uh, basically just heavy iron rings. And when you put them on, it's kind of like the Neb Crescent. It instinctively curls your hands into fists and you can hear the sound of distant drums and crashing steel.


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[Assistant] And uhm, it fills you with bitterness and obviously you can imagine fighting with them, you'd be really powerful. But apparently it's like a, like a phone charger, like a wireless one. You put the brutal bands in dust in like this ash while you sleep to charge it with energy from the ash pit.


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[Assistant] Well, if they're, if, like, the thing is, is that afterlife is confirmed real in the Elder Scrolls universe, so, that they'll get the last laugh when they've got their thousand wives in the ash pit. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It looked really cool, although I'm still on the fence about whether I prefer it looking like a dwarven or d-


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[Assistant] But uhm, in Oblivion it was paralyzed for 3 seconds and drain health. 5 points for 20 seconds, which is a total of 100 damage, which is pretty strong.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but, I don't like Skyrim's effect, which like, it absorbs stamina, so it's useful for doing more power attacks, but it's nothing you can't put on an enchanted weapon yourself.


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[Assistant] You know, in Morrowind, Volendrung doesn't even have an enchantment. It's just a unique looking warhammer that's strong. But to be fair, uhm, it's unrelated to his quest. You just find it in a chest in the Corpresarium Bowels beneath Telfir near Yagrum Begarn's platform.


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[Assistant] I dunno, you could almost imagine like when he gives it to you, cause it's not inherently Daedric if we believe that it's, well it is, it's dwarven.


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[Assistant] Imagine when Malekath gives it to you, he kind of enchants it then and there.


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[Assistant] So it's like the one in Morrowind, I'm just headcanoning some stuff. You can imagine it's just in a chest. There's no enchantment on it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Just real quick, the Volundrong effect in Diagophore was also paralysis and vampiric touch, so.


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[Assistant] And it does sound cool, like forged in the fires or fountains of fickle dire. Do we know anything about fickle dire?


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[Assistant] Just sounds cool. Just sounds cool. But like it just, it just adds more mystery of like, there's going to be, or there could be more stuff about Malacath to learn. Like that the ash pit's not as straightforward as people may think.


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[Assistant] Yeah, plus there's two out of the three stories of her scene based and it also just sounds right. It just feels right. I can't see it relating to him in any way, like what's Malakath about it.


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[Assistant] What is up ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Fudge Market, this is the Elder Scrolls Podcast, I'm Scott here with Michael Drew as always, and today we are tackling the Bretons, the Man-mer as they're also called.


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[Assistant] See, I think that favorite race thing is rooted in just people, um, in D&D and stuff. They like the half-elf race because it's like human but with a little bit of flavor. So they're like, yeah, I'm a half-elf, whatever. And that's why I think the Bretons, because you know, having the magical ancestry and stuff is, I guess, cooler than just being like an imperialist.


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[Assistant] I don't think so. The thing is that Bretons are inherently kind of like contrived to some mistake thing because


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[Assistant] You know, conventionally the idea is that like it would kind of like genetically would get bred out the elves, right? The elven parts, like even if they sort of intermix because you'd have original sort of like


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've heard copes kind of trying to say that like, you know, you can, I think in the racial phylogeny does that you, the traits of the father can be passed on. Yeah, like small ones.


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[Assistant] But overall, the Bretons, we can kind of glaze over that part of it because it's a little contrived. It's just kind of, it is what it is. They, they have more of the magical components. They look like humans with like magical blood. And, and I mean, even in ESO, around those pictures, like they've added like little pointed details and so on and so on. Much nicer than the


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[Assistant] So the cast structure sort of develops around how much of an elf you are in Hyrule.


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[Assistant] And this, um, it, or like we were touching on with religion, um, early Breton religion was


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[Assistant] It was pretty much imported from, um, Aldmeris and so on. Now, like later on, it became just the sort of divines that you know, but even, um, uh, the clan Dureni's sort of big, um, champion god, their patron God was actually Finaster and that's why he continues on being worshiped in High Rock today. It's like an element carried over from that. They do have some more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's interesting, you know what's interesting too is like, I, I sometimes like think about like the needy history of that time, but there's this sort of like.


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[Assistant] It's kind of hard to get the exact picture of everything with a Doreni, and like, because obviously the Doreni would come, and then they would start, uhm, and they had to sort of run the Isle of Belfier and so on, and they spread into High Rock, but then they're still-


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[Assistant] Lots of population that they might not immediately control, cause you hear about things like, there's this one line in, uhm,


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[Assistant] I think it's in the arena descriptions of the race or Daggerfall, something like, and it mentions the Druids of Galen and so on. And I think initially they intended the, the Bretons to be like a, basically a Celtic kind of rip, right? Um, and you still see like the Celtic naming in all of the, um, the Richmond.


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[Assistant] Also you have like the cl- like there's, there's concept art of it, which I'll put it up.


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[Assistant] That even that Breton blood, I guess, spreads and...


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[Assistant] Uh, gets outside of the sort of control of the Doreni as well, like it kinda, cause the Bretons keep, you know, growing and growing and growing a populace. And this is also a law thing as well, but like elves population is naturally kind of capped and they, they reproduce.


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[Assistant] Only, like, new elves only come when there's new elves, whereas men can just keep going.


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[Assistant] I was saying perhaps that's why they're all men, Breton's men, cause he, like, cause they couldn't possibly cause the way it works.


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[Assistant] But even the cast, the cast system now, I think is, is still like, we want to still make the distinction between like Bretons and Ultima. Like the Ultima one is like really religiously based. And even the Bretons are said to not be, you know, that into religion or they're not, I think of the quotes like something like not in excess or something, but their cast systems, um,


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[Assistant] It ends up, it's a far more, like as it is today, is a far more political thing rather than like a blood based thing. It seems like, like a lot of Elven influence like would have even in the culture and so on when the Elysian Order, um, incorporates high rock and then as things go on.


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[Assistant] Since they worship the divines now for the most part and culturally they've become much more like...


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[Assistant] Imperial but also different because basically it's like one of those, even if you look at the terrain, it's easy to have all these different kind of like kingdoms around the place and there's lots of trade networks and all kinds of stuff and it's a very hard place to just take over like Tiber Septim struggled or all the empires really did struggle to take over the area succinctly and cleanly.


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[Assistant] It seems like, it seems like actually a high rock out of like compared to a lot of places, there's like, I guess you could say like the most like class mobility, like the idea there's always these, and they play up that in their stories and so on, like you could become a hero.


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[Assistant] Although, become a king, all that kind of stuff, but then also like,


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[Assistant] You have some characters that have just come out of like lower standings or so on and have become, you know, prominent figures and so on. And because there's this really like, um, uh, what do you call it? Uh, like fracture sort of society. There's so many opportunities and so on to ascend and assert yourself and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Like we were talking about in the last, in the last episode that you've got to kind of look at all of their societies and so on with, it's an older lens, it's like not this modern lens or idea of it, all of it's old, so as much as it's like,


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[Assistant] Every single place you go to there's hierarchies of like kings and noble birth and all of that kind of stuff of some form.


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[Assistant] So even though we're like, we are like, oh, there's probably more class mobility, not our concept of it idea, but it's just kind of like more in high rock compared to other areas or like, you know, having to be born to a dragonborn emperor or something like that. It's kind of like, it's like.


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[Assistant] You know, like you were saying, I'm in, in, in agreeance, like take it with a grain of salt, like, yeah, more class ability, but like, don't get some sort of idea of like, our sort of, which also is overplayed anyway.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. It is actually quite the diverse, uhm, place over on you think of it. Outside of just like politically diverse with all of the different, uhm,