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[Assistant] Uhm, that's what it feels like, folks. Anybody that's watching Supercross?


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[Assistant] Honestly, from about the third lap in, I was just thinking, man, this bonus check's gonna be quite good, you're Eve, I'm gonna tip him upside down and empty him out, and I thought, man, I, uh, I better not screw this up now, I better, I better keep my, you know, keep hitting my marks, and then I just thought back to, I'm the best mud rider there is, you know, 2017 Mercosur Nation, I thought, I got this.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of times I'm like, I'm watching the clock, right? And I'm like, Davey, we need to cut it off. You're talking too much, you know, so, but it was good, you know, as a managing the show and things like that and good insight from him, you know, he's been around the sport obviously forever. So, um, there's only one Davey Coombs, you know, so he's, uh, it was good to have him on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was a bummer. I think we actually have some replay of it too, of uhm, here it is. You know, red cross flag out to the right, uhm, it's a little step up. To be honest,


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[Assistant] Also too, I know there's lights on there. It's a step up. It wasn't a blind jump. So look, I get it. I get there's rules. There has to be rules. But I also think that where the red cross flag is pulled and how is, uh, how it's pulled.


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[Assistant] And all those things have to come into consideration. If I was team manager, if I was Lars, I would be.


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[Assistant] Trying to protest it, I don't know if there's anything that, you know, really a leg to stand on, but like Hunter said, I would be pissed.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it wasn't a blind jump. There was, I think, like, like to say, I think they definitely got it wrong on, uh, on, on the, on the penalty. I think they should have looked at it and you can see Hunter turns around. We're watching, you know, re-re-video and you can see he turns around and he goes, oh man, I just, he realized after the fact of what had happened. It would be great. It would be great.


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[Assistant] Um, and there's always, we're always dealing with yellow flags every now and then.


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[Assistant] I feel like that was a very uh, really premature pulling of a red cross when we know the red cross is supposed to be wheels on the ground. So now it leads you to believe that you're going to see a red cross.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, anytime. And it should be only pulled for when a rider is, when we have issues on the motorcycle track.


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[Assistant] I mean, I heard, I heard there was bikes, he seasoned up clutches and overheating, boiling water. Some, some privateers I'm sure blew some bikes up. I heard it was pretty sticky and nasty in that first, first practice.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, it's inconsistent. You know, you kind of see this from some of the lights class guys that really can't get it together. You know, Levi's one of those that that has had some.


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[Assistant] Uhm, struggles early on. Colorado seemed like he had a breakthrough with his, some of his, with his riding. Uhm, little bit better finish. We have a better moto finish for Levi here at high point, but then struggled in, uh, in moto two. Same thing with, with Joe Shimoda too, like.


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[Assistant] Honestly, I was expecting, um, Joe to be better.


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[Assistant] He can't be given up this many positions and points and then decide to come back and, and it's not when you have Hunter being very consistent, you have Hayden being very consistent.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, there's a handful of guys out there that are, that are consistent, but you have Joe, you have uh, RJ, uhm, Levi that haven't been, right? So those guys can't afford to, to give up that much real estate.


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[Assistant] I, I agree, I agree man, like, uh, you know, it looks like Tom Vial too, you know, put in a stellar performance in Moto 2. His bike.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he, I watched him and, and, and look, it was, you, you said it on the broadcast, definitely a little more of a European style track.


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[Assistant] Uhm, wasn't, uh, balls to the walls, wide open everywhere. Kinda like we see some of our, like Hangtown, like Paula was initially. Uhm, Colorado, very much similar to this, but he went down, uhm, coming down the downhill. Uh, but this one here, High Point.


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[Assistant] Uh, bike looked good, it just looked like you had to really be patient, take your time, uhm, you know, and, and ride, try to ride as free as possible, but those, you know, it's very hard as you know, those ruts are unbelievably long at high point.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so you can tell your rider or any rider, loose is better, but once you get out there, it's like you're just in a slot car and it's very hard to ride, ride loose because you're fighting the motorcycle the whole time.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know, so this is Moto1 we're watching here and he just came over, over that rise there and pushed the front. Obviously, Deegan was able to get by him and now we're watching Deegan go down with the lapper and then RJ stalking, stalking Hayden and was able to make the pass and, and, uh, you know, in this turn here, they get together just a little bit. Great racing, by the way, like, um,


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[Assistant] You know, RJ, if he could just be more consistent and we keep talking about the consistency, especially in this class.


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[Assistant] Uhm, everybody's all over the board, like right here I have results, 3-1 for Hunter, 1-7 for RJ, Hayden 2-6, Joe 7-3, uh, VL 11-2, Chance 8-5, you know, so it's all over the board, right?


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[Assistant] Um, but I do have to say that RJ being that the veteran that he is in this class, like


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[Assistant] Uhm, I, I, I, I do have to say that I, I bet his team expects, expects more, uhm, trying to reach those, get those consistent motos, right? Hunter's really the only one that's been able to, uhm, salvage any motos.


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[Assistant] I, I, the kid has the speed. He's got the talent. He's, you know, he's one of the hardest workers out there. He sticks to it even with, you know, a first turn crash like that and works his way up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to a seventh, you know, it's, it's, it's, he doesn't have to show that speed every single time. It's about managing the race too, putting yourself in a good position. There, that replay that we just watched, to me,


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[Assistant] He seen Julique coming around the outside. He's like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fade out. Well, he faded way like


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[Assistant] Basically into the side of him instead of giving his teammates some room there.


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[Assistant] That's the last thing you want to do. And maybe it hooked up something that I can't see in it. The rear tire hooked up and he went straight or whatever happened.


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[Assistant] Uhm, once again, he's on the ground. How are you supposed to race with Hunter when he's going 3-1? Uhm, you know, and Hayden, Hayden, you know, in second in points right now with a 2-6, right? Like that's fairly consistent. So, uhm.


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[Assistant] It's tough, you know, I think as a, as a trainer, as what he should be doing, I mean, I could, we could sit here and throw mud at the wall, but like, um, and, and see what sticks. But I think for him, he's just, he's got to like get his mind in, in, in.


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[Assistant] To get that consistency to be there because that's really the only, he's not lacking speed. Uhm, seems like Husqvarna has that bike.


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[Assistant] Um, laying some power down because the last few starts, um, he's been getting great starts, right? So he's putting himself in a great position. He's just making these little mistakes that are really detrimental to his, to his season.


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[Assistant] Well, I think yes, and why I say that is obviously we had Hangtown, we had Paula, two tracks that are kind of similar in their own way. Different dirt conditions, but not very ruddy, not very deep.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Paula got rough and, but a different, and then we went to Colorado, right? And then I would say that was our first, if anybody had a fire drill on Monday, they probably had it after, after Colorado because these guys haven't seen conditions like that in a long time. Uh, majorly ruddy, rough, uh, so.


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[Assistant] Setting your bike up for certain, you know, not to say they set up for certain conditions, but I've been to your, been to the farm. Um, it's, it's a, there's some clay based spots and a little sandy spots, but you don't get the really sticky, ruddy, grabby stuff.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that we saw this weekend at High Point and that we saw at Colorado. So I could see them going back and definitely putting some time into making the bike a little easier to ride, less grabby with ruts so that they don't have to hang on so tight. They can ride a little more free and in their zone more. So uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I do think that they, more than one team, but like, do you have the information that Star, they went back and worked on that? Yeah, I would agree that I think that they, they definitely made some progress.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I think that they're, they're both right off the cuff there. I think Chance's a little bit closer. He's already, he's had a taste of leading some laps, uhm, recently. And, uh, you know, I think he's, he's right there. Same with Ryder. I think Ryder's just outside the bubble. Uhm, and, and for these young kids, you know, like I think,


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[Assistant] Like we've said before, there's like 13 factory motorcycles out there and some of the, some of the, you know,


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[Assistant] The age gap or the experience that we see guys from like RJ Hampshire, for example, that's been in the class or Joe that's been in the class for five or so years.


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[Assistant] Um, yes, Joe's still young, but he's been there for a while. He's a lot longer. He's got the experience of the racing and all that. I definitely see that these guys by the end of outdoors.


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[Assistant] Uhm, with like, like finishes like you said, 5-5, 6-5, inside the top end, uhm, both motos and then what's to come for next year is the big question for both of those two and the rookies because


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[Assistant] You know, so I think we see big improvements, big strides for next year with those two rookies.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, those rollers, those left hand, you know, rollers at high points always had, goes down, looks like he just lost the rear. And I know, like, to the fan's perspective, I know


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[Assistant] For your information, I should say is everybody was running these paddle tires, which we, which is the right move. But I will say High Point has such a hard clay base in some areas. We've seen it. Here's some photos of him in the hospital with looks like a seatbelt just burnt a hole down his chest and up his neck.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so bummer to see that, but they're running the paddle tire and I know that high point you do too. The clay base in some spots is so shiny, so slippery, so hard that


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[Assistant] Really gotta manage the rear tire when it's in, when, when you see those conditions where


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[Assistant] This first practice where he went down 90% of it was probably a muddy condition and it, you know, and then he just, there was one of those slippery spots that just exposed itself. Um, and those tires do not work very well. The paddle tire does not work very well on that shiny clay stuff.


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[Assistant] The tread pattern does not promote to be well on hard pack stuff. So, but I, I, second moto, I would have went with, with a cut back tire, I believe.


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[Assistant] Um, which is a standard, standard tire, more of a, the tire they see at all the races that they run. Um, I don't know the, the tread pattern of it, but I, standard tire and they cut the, the back knob on every other one to essentially make you a, a scoop.


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[Assistant] Uhm, more distance in between the paddle, or in between the lugs on the tire. Uhm, I would have chose that for Moto2, but Moto1, I don't see how you couldn't have not ran the paddle.


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[Assistant] Kenny's always a, he's always a, uhm, I always like to watch Kenny. Kenny Race is very, pretty smooth and takes creative lines. We got him on screen here passing Masterpool and then Garrett Marshbanks. Look, just dragging the leg, man. The ruts were so deep.


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[Assistant] And the problem is too, Ricky man, once you stick your leg in the, in the mud, it's so sticky. It wants to pull you off. You can't get your foot back out of it. It's like.


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[Assistant] You know, so it definitely makes it tough, but it was good. Like man, honestly, pretty much the only person that's gave a jet for a run for his money so far this year. So, um, from a racing perspective, from a fan's perspective, I was stoked to see some 450 battling because it's, to be honest, it's been a little boring watching jet just ride around at 70%.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like this outdoors right now, I mean it really could have, it could have not gone any better so far. I mean, yes, had a little, had a little tip over.


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[Assistant] Uhm, very treacherous conditions. He wasn't, in my opinion, really under pressure. He had to stay, he had to keep his pace up that he was running, but he really wasn't under pressure. He had already got a gap on Kenny. Uhm, there wasn't like, it was a cat and dog fight there. It was a little bit of a breather gap and...


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[Assistant] And man just started washing the front and then at the last second it caught, spit him off. So uhm, very easily to, very easily to do right there in that section because it's a long downhill to the right sweeper. As you can see, you have the very tacky material like we talked about and then the shiny material also through there. So anything could have happened. It could have been


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[Assistant] You know, the, just grabbing the rut wrong, a little too much weight on the front. I mean, there could, there's a hundred different things that could have happened in that or, um, you know, so, uh,


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[Assistant] Man, I just, yeah, for the ones that are hatin' on him right now, under pressure, I don't see it. No, I don't either. You're watching a different TV channel than I am.


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[Assistant] And Ricky, to your point, like how many mistakes has Jett made so far? None so far? I mean this was his first weekend with a mistake really, right?


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[Assistant] Uhm, so obviously I'm just gonna, I'm gonna spitball here, but if I'm Kenny and that is a priority, which I believe it is a priority for him, for his team.


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[Assistant] I think he needs to get up here, right? He needs to come out and put in some good performances, even though he's not racing all of them, but just like a 7-2 for second overall, like those are some valuable points for the SMX World Championship, right? Coming into those playoff rounds, so uhm, and also too, like uhm,


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[Assistant] Maybe he said, I am just coming out to have fun. I'm tired of sitting on the couch. That totally could be it too, but you know that there's a little bit of like, Hey, I know I need to get back to racing a little bit. I can't just sit all summer off and then expect to come out and be my best at these last three rounds.


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[Assistant] You know, coming out, getting some racing experience or, you know, getting some more racing under his belt for this year, just so he's not stagnant sitting on the couch. Um, I know these guys keep riding, but still there's nothing, you can never replace racing the motorcycle.


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[Assistant] And it puts himself in a better position for that SMX, uh, you know, those last three playoff rounds.


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[Assistant] So I, I believe that's probably what it is, but Kenny, I mean, you've worked with him. I've been, but I was, I am buddies with him, but trained with him back in the day. Pretty nonchalant, you know, easy going, fun, fun guy to be hanging around. So.


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[Assistant] He probably was like, yeah, let's go race, you know, and, and then it's like, it'll help me out for this, do this. We'll be able to test the, you know, like, I'm sure that's kind of how it is. I don't, he's not an over thinker, if that makes sense.


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[Assistant] Uhm, or within the ballpark of where he needs it to be and for the finishes that he wants. But it's, now it's, it's, it's eluded him for so long, now it's probably becoming this pressure on his shoulders, I would maybe think.


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[Assistant] Uh, because look, that was, you know, look, I know the track was gnarly, but that was a pretty, to me, a very simple or mindless mistake there, came in and sat into the bike a little too hard and the berm gave away, went out from underneath of him.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, those little, those little mistakes, trying too hard type thing, you know, like almost go slower to go faster in this, this scenario.


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[Assistant] Tough season so far, you know, I think what if, what could, if you put that out there of like, if you would have got his first Supercross win, would that have changed his trajectory?


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[Assistant] Um, in riding and mental, um, and physical side of, of his racing to get that in supercross that eluded him last lap, you know, so I don't know. It's, it's a, it's a tough thing. I, I, I can, I can, you've, I mean, I've never worked with Roger personally, just for motocross nations, but I can tell you, Roger probably isn't too stoked right now.


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[Assistant] And I think, you know, to your point, Ricky, like they, at the time with, when you had RCH and you went over there, Suzuki was still, they were no longer factory racing actually from, you guys, you guys were the factory team. So they've already had pulled back a little bit.


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[Assistant] Um, and then you guys, they gave you guys the full reign of going racing from a, from a privateer or not privateer, but a privately owned team. And same thing now. I mean, one thing has to be said though, I will say is really from.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the development side in the U.S., I mean Suzuki's a very, very underdeveloped motorcycle, so I personally think, like, uhm, the guys over there, the Dustin Pipes and Pipes, the family that own the team, uhm, the Progressive, the Twisted Tee, that whole setup over there, like, for Kenny to be able to come out and ride


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[Assistant] Um, number one, that track was gnarly to ride it the way he wrote it with not a lot of time on, uh, or developing that 450 outdoors. Um, pretty damn good platform. I would have to say you don't, you don't come out and out swinging like that on something that's doesn't have a good foundation underneath it underneath of its wheels. So.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, I kind of heard some crickets maybe through somewhere on vital that maybe there is an electric start coming for next year. Um, but it, uh, you know, that is all hearsay. We'll, we'll find out, but, um,


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[Assistant] But yea, amazing job by those guys to get Kenny out there to race Supercross like they did and be a contender in Supercross and now jump into, just jump in 4th round and be a contender for some Moto wins. That's a lot.


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[Assistant] You know, one thing about Kenny too, I think in the Suzuki is, I think that, uh, the effort that the, the AGG team is putting in, in,


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[Assistant] The results they're getting this will, this might ignite, you know, a fire with Suzuki and, and get him to update, um, that motorcycle and if it's going to be electric start here soon.


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[Assistant] Uhm, cause obviously we see what happened, he laid it over, nothing crazy, bike was on its side, got it up, couldn't get it in neutral, then he couldn't start it, you know, all those problems would have, that seventh would have probably stayed a third, let's call it, you know, so.


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[Assistant] Um, let's hope they're watching because it's, it's, we need another manufacturer like that involved. And, um, you know, hopefully soon they'll have an electric start and be a little more competitive in a scenario like this. Right.


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[Assistant] I do, I do think they've definitely changed up from, from your, your career, my career, the Dunge. Uhm, I, I think everybody's kind of has a different outlook on, on their racing career, uh, today versus myself, Dunge and you. Uhm, you know, so I think that alone is going to, going to help, but also,


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[Assistant] Being in, in Jett's position, you know, I think, uh, look, you're getting pulled in a, in a, in a hundred different ways. And I've kind of heard this because I, I know some very close people to his group, you know, like it's, uh, sometimes it gets a little overwhelming and it's not,


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[Assistant] We didn't retire from the competition side, right? Like, or the, necessarily the, the workload. It was, it was a combination of all that mixed together, but, and ultimately for me, I can only speak for myself, is just the,


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[Assistant] The, the, the being in the pressure cooker of winning, right, every single year and trying to back that up.


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[Assistant] I will say if his Jets career keeps on the trajectory that it's on.


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[Assistant] No disrespect to anybody else out there, but uhm, he's not being challenged very much currently, which is a lot easier pressure wise. It's not like every single time you line, come and line up next to the gate and you're like, okay.


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[Assistant] Who do I have to deal with today? Is it going to be Chad? Is it going to be James? It's always going to be Dunge, you know, for me.


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[Assistant] So that I think is, you know, I mean, let's face it, like that is,


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[Assistant] It takes a lot of pressure, um, and it also is a lot funner to go racing when, when it's a little easier.


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[Assistant] And I'm not saying it's easy cause he's putting in, he's, he's working like a dog. Don't get me wrong.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean that's when, that's when all of our work gets done, right? You don't show up on Saturday.


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[Assistant] And say, Hey, we're going racing today. Let's see what we can do. No, you're, you're that's the Saturday is almost it's the Eldon used to always say Saturday is the lightest day for you because you only got two motos and you know, like a practice where, you know, there's no gym involved. There's no road bikes involved. There's, there's no.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, 230 plus twos plus sprints and the rest of it, you know, all that's done during the week. And I know that Dazzy, which is the, which is Hunter and Jett's dad.


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[Assistant] They are, they're out there from sunup to sundown, let's call it. You know, they're putting in their time and their work, you know, so.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's why he's able to ride at 70, 80% during the weekends right now. Is because of what's done during the week.


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[Assistant] I came around, uh, uh, it was a left hand sweeper and rear tire kind of, uh, got, got loose and started coming out on him. And then it was really weird. The front grabbed something and it really fast crash, kind of a fast section coming up to a tabletop, I think.


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[Assistant] And just kind of nose dive right in with his, with his body into the takeoff. And it was very hard packed there.


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[Assistant] Um, I had heard there was a little numbness in his, one of his fingers or something. Um, cause he ended up did, did do something to something in his neck or, you know, a region.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but man, I mean, what do you, what do you say? I mean, about what? I think 102 or 103 MXGP, uhm, wins the most ever. Uhm, but consistency once again, like these, like you gotta be, that's where Jet is so good and Hunter so good is they don't,


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[Assistant] You know, they're very calculated on what they do and when they hang it out. And Hurling's really, if he doesn't win, he's, he's hurt and he could have won a lot more over the past few years if he hasn't, if he wouldn't have been so much gotten hurt so often.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, it's, well, it's funny. I, I was watching Gypsy, or I seen the Gypsy Tales thing and I think it was, they were asking about, um, Lomol when I went over to Lomol. Yeah, that was it.


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[Assistant] And, uh, and Jeff Rose, like, uh, I, we didn't, I said, and it was, Rubes was working for him at the time, right? So, and I'm really close with Rubes cause of Ben Townley and so are you, you know, so I still talk to him over WhatsApp and all this.


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[Assistant] And he goes, we didn't know, I looked over at Rubes and he goes, we didn't know if that was his mechanic out on the bike or him.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, and you know, I'm like, all right. Yeah. Like I wasn't very good there. Like for sure. I was okay. Um, but then I was talking to Rubez. I said, I off the couch right now today. I guarantee you. I wax his ass out at the supercross track. It just.


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[Assistant] Yeah, a guy from here and bring him over there. It's going to be very hard to learn. You take a guy from over there and put him in super cross in our element. It's the same, same, same sort of thing, right? So.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I thought it was funny, you know. Uhm, yeaah. And, and, and Riven Roof said, he goes, Jeff will be the first one to, I'm out. I ain't riding Supercross. I tried that, I tried that once and I'm, just put me back on the plane.


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[Assistant] He ended up riding around. Yeah. I think he finished the moto, but I don't, it was, it wasn't good. Um, he had to ride around pretty slow and I then, and then come to find out there was something broke, um, in the neck region or back, upper back region there. Yeah. It was, it was a tough, it was a tough crash.


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[Assistant] I don't know. I don't know. I haven't been in that situation with him.


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[Assistant] I think you, at motocross the nations, it just brings a different, completely different vibe.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and, and it's one of the, it is by far anybody listening that's never been. Uhm, I, I tell you to definitely get out, go to a motocross of nations.


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[Assistant] Redbud's always a great one, gotta support Redbud, but I always really like, uhm, to go to Europe. Oh yeah. Uhm, and race over there. Uh, the vibe is just insane. Not that it's not at Redbud, cause it's great at Redbud.


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[Assistant] Go and do that one also, but if you can get to Europe, go try Europe at one out because it's, it's really, really, uh, phenomenal.


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[Assistant] Off weekends, so obviously we would kind of ramp up a little bit in the riding department there during Monday through Friday since we didn't have to travel, uhm, on Fridays.


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[Assistant] So, but as for on the bikes, on the bike, off the bike, gym stuff, workout like that, wasn't much of difference. We'd probably add one.


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[Assistant] Um, so like on a Tuesday, it would be two motos. Thursday would be also two motos instead of normally Thursday's for when I was racing was one 30 and then some shorter sprint stuff. And then we fly out Friday. So we would get back and doing two on Thursday. Um, and maybe just a little bit of light riding on Friday. And then I would try to, uh, I mean, we were still.


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[Assistant] Bike ride hour and a half on, on Saturdays, but then after that, I tried to go and, uh, we were right on, um,


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[Assistant] I was in Claremont, so I was right on Mineola, the lake. So I tried to go out in the wakeboard boat.


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[Assistant] As long as it wasn't smoking hot, you know, cause that's one thing I tell these guys like, I know it sounds fun. Golf sounds fun. Wakeboarding sounds fun. All this stuff sounds, but the sun is the, it drains your, your, the life out of you. So you gotta be very careful.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to not be stuck out there on the boat, you know, so which is a catch-22 cause you're like, Oh, I want to do this. But then Monday I was hung over just from the sun alone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, always. And like I said, just, it's, uh, yeah, it's, it's tough. And I think that's what I, I've said this before on the show. I think that's what I admire about, um,


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[Assistant] They're, they're able to, they're, they're learning to separate the business and the racing side, uhm, and still have a good time when they're not.


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[Assistant] I was still stuck in that, in that rut of we're going racing, we're going racing. I couldn't, I couldn't detach myself from it. Um, and I, and I think, um, that isn't good in a lot of ways. I think to keep the fun in it, to keep the, keep you energized for a longer career, I think you got to learn to separate yourself from the racing side of it.


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[Assistant] Go to the outside, can he make a power run? He does! Steals the lead from Shimoda. What a power move by Hayden Deegan. And the Deegan fans, you can hear them going nuts.


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[Assistant] Red flag is out! We rarely see this halfway through a moto. That's gonna change things in a hurry because Hayden Deegan had a huge lead.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're gonna break down Indy. We got a special guest this weekend. Honored to have Ken Roxton with us a little later on.


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[Assistant] Uh, RV, we're going to break down, uh, Indy. Incredible weekend, uh, especially in that 450 class and that win that Ken had, man, that was epic, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, dude, it was, yeah, it was such a, it's such a, uh,


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[Assistant] It was so cool to experience that, like, I mean, just, just to see that.


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[Assistant] Because I feel like, I mean, dude, you and I were notorious for it. We were like, I mean, we would show zero emotions, so I-


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[Assistant] I feel like the older I get, I get emotional about it.


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[Assistant] Like being there and witnessing that, that was a, that was a hell of a race to come.


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[Assistant] Yeah, look at that. Like, this was a gnarly shot right here, RV. The balance that, uh, that Ken had going through that rutted section. I mean, we talk about it when it's V'd out. This is the last lap right here, by the way.


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[Assistant] For people that are tuning in and watching this, or for people that were listening to our podcast, yeaah, we were showing some highlights of the gnarly whoops this weekend, but that, that was an epic shot of Ken and just that balance that he has.


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[Assistant] Outside of, outside of like Daytona, Daytona being probably the, the most physical supercross.


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[Assistant] Oh, right. I mean, yeah, that's like, that is where having the timed races to your point, like that extra seven laps, it doesn't seem like much, but as you know, it's gnarly, but hey, so let's rip the, let's, let's rip the stinking bandaid off, uh,


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[Assistant] I feel like it's just like Groundhog Day with Sexton dude.


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[Assistant] I think he should, I'm calling it like it is, I think he should have been, he should have been aware, you gotta know that stuff, right?


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[Assistant] That guy was, he had the smoke this weekend, dude. Like.


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[Assistant] Not to take anything away from Kenny, but I think he wins.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's that, that, uh, that start there by Kenny and just absolutely making it happen. I mean.


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[Assistant] You know, Kenny was in a perfect, perfect position right there. Cooper didn't have the speed. I mean, he tried to contest there early on, but, uh, obviously not close enough. And, and he was, I mean, he was horrible through the whoops compared to the guys that he needed to beat to, in order to win that race. And then Chase fell down. Um, but yeah, I, I don't know, dude, I,


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[Assistant] I kind of, yeah, I know what you're saying, but I just think he, he had more speed. I think he, I, I really truly believe he could have got it, could have got it done, but hey, you know, we ain't going to agree on everything, but I, it is different for sure when you're leading. It's, it's, it's, it's definitely, uh,


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[Assistant] It's definitely different, uh, but that was cool to see him, uh, see him ride so well. It's crazy. Like he's had some speed, but I mean that last, I mean last weekend he was, he was on it.


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[Assistant] Right. Uhm, alright dude, you got the, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, you tell me, what would you have done if you were Eli Tomas?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's, and this is where, like, listen, our viewers are gonna absolutely hell me. They're gonna say I'm not respecting Eli Tomac, which clearly I do, but this is what is so perplexing. I'm so perplexed by Eli Tomac is how he can be so dominant.


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[Assistant] And then like, listen, not, not, not to take away anything from the guys running 6th to 8th, but dude.


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[Assistant] You know, you gotta, you have to be better. Just straight up. Right, RV? I mean, you gotta be better, dude.


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[Assistant] I feel like unless there's an issue we don't know about, which I doubt it, uhm, I feel like he would be forthcoming or someone over there would be forthcoming about it. He's, he's fifth at worst. You know, he should be able to, he should be able to start last.


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[Assistant] And it leads to work his way up to fifth, especially on a gnarly track like that, where I feel like he, he rises to the occasions on situations like that. But nevertheless, Dirty Moto X, appreciate your question, RV.


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[Assistant] Switching gears, 250, not a whole lot really to talk about, I don't feel like.


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[Assistant] Some notables, I feel like Max Anstey, not sure what happened there. I expected him to be on the podium. He was good the first practice, but then after that went backwards.


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[Assistant] Uh, didn't have as much speed as he's had in the past.


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[Assistant] Uh, Jordan Smith was, was, was pretty good. I thought he would have done a little bit better because he was going so fast and he was going through the whoops. Uh, Hunter Lawrence, what do you say about him, dude?


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[Assistant] They got some, the Lawrence Brothers got some serious, serious fights going, yeaah, like to your point, you watch that, you watch that move in slow mo, and to your point, you're exactly right, it's like,


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[Assistant] He could have got a hole in his radiator. He could have broke off his front, front, you know, front brake lever.


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[Assistant] Hayden Deegan, uhm, obviously he's, he's been a lot of fun to watch, see his progression as a rookie this year. Uh, he had a rough go at it. He, uh, he finally got bit, little rookie mistake, going through the whoops, easy to do.


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[Assistant] He was blitzing them most of the night, but what happened there in those situations, if I were coaching him, I probably would have, uh,


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[Assistant] And he says, what could Hayden Deegan have done better in this race? And honestly, I had a conversation.


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[Assistant] With uh, Hayden's dad yesterday, or last night, and we were talking about it, about certain things, and I'm like, hey man, he just says these whoops, and he's exact, uh, Brian is exactly right. You can't emulate those during the week. RV, you know this, and I,


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[Assistant] I, I kind of already said what he should have done different. Probably, uhm, not, not have tried skimming those gnarly whoops because if you hit, you hit an edge, it pulls you left, right. I mean, you're just kind of asking for, uh, for, for, for trouble.


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[Assistant] So I think that he should have jumped through there to answer your question. Uhm, O'Brien Lambert, we appreciate that.


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[Assistant] Uh, but those, those are learning lessons, you know, like those are something that I feel Hayden is going to learn from. And he's been really good at this this year. Once he makes one mistake, he doesn't make a second mistake.


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[Assistant] And no matter how many, how many laps you turn on the practice track, you can't emulate that. And you wouldn't want to go through whoops like that every day of the week, right?


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[Assistant] What an emotional win and honored to have not only myself, Ryan Villapoto on here, but


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[Assistant] Ken Roxton, you are our first guest on Title 24 and Bud.


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[Assistant] After watching that podium, I got, I got chills right now. Can you just walk us through that emotion and relive that moment now?


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[Assistant] I think all of us were treated and especially now hearing that story and you've been able to share that like what has gone on in the deep places that you were in.


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[Assistant] What was, what I thought was really cool was your competitors and just how stoked they were for you. I mean that was, dude, that was, that was something special.


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[Assistant] I'm proud of you for that. I'm happy of you for that. Look, I mean, look how pumped they were for you. Yeah, they're congratulating you, but I feel like there was a sense


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[Assistant] It was special. It was special. Like I said, when we showed that beginning highlight, uh, welcoming you on the show. I mean, I w I wasn't chills there. I was, I was stumbling just.


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[Assistant] We're proud of you. The fans should be proud of you. It was certainly special. I know for Ryan and I, it's an honor to have you on Title 24. You are our first guest that we've ever had and it couldn't have come at a better time.


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[Assistant] Uh, you're getting this, uh, special win in Indy and, uh, man, I, I think you got more in the bag. I'm looking forward to seeing, uh, seeing you in Detroit, but we appreciate your time, my friend.


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[Assistant] Well, there you go. Detroit this weekend. There you can check it out. Race day live starts at 1 30.


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[Assistant] Uh, check them out. And then of course the racing seven o'clock PM Eastern time on Peacock. It's going to be live and, uh,


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[Assistant] Detroit RV, it's going to be a good one. If, uh, if it can back up how Andy was, something special is going to happen. What are you looking forward to?


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[Assistant] I know, I mean, it's like dude, if you are going to try to predict who is going to win, it's like you're just completely guessing, right? Like for me, that's why I hate making predictions because it would just be a straight up guess.


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[Assistant] James Maynard is one of the young guns of modern mathematics. Specializing in prime numbers, he made his name for pioneering work on one of maths most famous problems, the twin-prime conjecture.


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[Assistant] He's since made breakthroughs on a number of other problems, and he's accumulating an impressive collection of prizes along the way. In fact, since we recorded this episode, the American Mathematical Society announced he's won another. They're giving him the 2020 Cole Prize in Number Theory.


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[Assistant] Not bad for a 32 year old who, by the way, has already been a full research professor for two years. I met James in his office at Oxford University.


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[Assistant] Let's start at the beginning. Little boy James, were you like, were you gonna be a mathematician? Were you always like, mathematical?


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[Assistant] Was it a favourite subject of yours just because you were good at it and found it easy or because you got pleasure from it, you liked it?


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[Assistant] So you did have this curiosity though to know more than what just was in the textbook and what you did in the lesson. You were like, oh, I like these ideas. I want to go a bit deeper.


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[Assistant] Did you have those other interests? Did you want to play cricket for England or be an astronaut and things like that or?


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[Assistant] Give us a few, what were a couple of them? If I went and met the little boy and said, what do you want to be when you grow up? What would the likely answers have been?


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[Assistant] Of course, of course. Obviously you are like Mr Prime numbers these days. Do you remember your early encounters with prime numbers? I mean, there's something you encounter quite early at school, aren't they? Did you have a fascination with prime numbers when you were young, like you do now, or was it, was it just part of the whole math conglomerate back then?


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[Assistant] Were you surrounded by mathematical people? Was anyone in your family mathematical or like, was it something you just picked up yourself or?


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[Assistant] So let's roleplay for just a second. If you, if you were like your mum or your dad and I said, what does James do for a living? Tell me what you think their answer would be.


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[Assistant] Alright then, and just kind of in a condensed way before we get to you, to kind of where you're at at the moment, straight, what's, I'm assuming you got good marks in high school for mathematics, do you perform well?


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[Assistant] Anyone who kind of like follows what's been happening with twin prime conjecture and gaps between primes in this research that's been going on, it's kind of portrayed


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[Assistant] In the news or on the internet, since Zang made his original breakthrough, it's been portrayed as this team of really amazing mathematicians, Terry Tao and a few others.


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[Assistant] Manchester United superstars and this one guy on his own who's also like having all these amazing breakthroughs. Is that like, is that the reality?


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[Assistant] Okay, so, so these days, it's all kind of one big group now, is it? It's not like they're doing what they're doing and you're still working on your alternative way.


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[Assistant] So just so I'm completely across where the twin prime conjecture is now, this is this, this is this elusive proof that there are an infinite number of primes separated by just two. Where's that now? Where's it? You're jammed at a higher number, aren't you? There's an infinite number of primes, but they're separated by...


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[Assistant] People and in particular you are still working on is this like your number one thing you think about when you go to sleep at night or you're moving on to other things like where is this at now is it gonna get to two in my lifetime.


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[Assistant] Is twin prime then like a touchstone for you? When you're, every time a new technique is developed, do you go back and think, does this help with twin primes? Or is it not like that? It's like, you know, like I'm trying to think, is this like a white whale for you? Is this like what Fermat's last theorem was to Andrew Wiles? Or is it not a big deal to you?


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[Assistant] Can I ask you about the age of mathematicians, because


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[Assistant] You seem quite young to be an Oxford professor. I don't know if that's true or not, but I mean obviously the success you've had has resulted in you having quite a nice office here and a good job, so congratulations to you. You seem quite young, but then we also hear that


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[Assistant] It's, I don't know if it's a cliche or true that the best mathematics is done by people when they're young, perhaps perpetuated by the fact they give the Fields Medal to people who are under 40. What do you think about that belief that you're probably at your absolute peak now?


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[Assistant] I want to get some idea how you do research. I always hear like, because as a professor you have teaching time. I understand what that means. You're in a lecture theatre teaching or you're with a group of students talking to them. But then I know you also have


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[Assistant] Research time. Which is the most valuable time to you. I know. But what does that look like? How do you do research? If you said to...


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[Assistant] Your friends or someone, okay, I'm spending a day doing research today. It's a research day. What does that look like? Does that involve having a bath and thinking in the bath full of hot water, going for a walk around Oxford, sitting at your desk with a piece of paper and a pencil? Like what does research look like when you're trying to have a breakthrough?


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[Assistant] So like calculate, are you sitting there calculating or manipulating equations or?


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[Assistant] Is there anything you do to create a better environment? Like, do you take the phone off the hook? Do you switch off your computer? Do you play music? Do you have to have a glass of Coca Cola? Like, what are the things that you do that will, that help you?


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[Assistant] You talk about this moment when you flick the switch and everything's in place, like that must be an amazing feeling. That must be, and, and you've had a few, you've had quite a few of them for early on.


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[Assistant] How does one avoid making the idiotic mistake? You just like, you just go through it again, go through it with some collaborators and check your work.


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[Assistant] Do you ever worry that, like, the tap will switch off at a time where it seems like you're going through such a fertile period of ideas and proofs and that? Do you worry about it switching off or does it feel like it's just like...


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[Assistant] A badly behaved prime. Yeah. That's a category I haven't heard before. Are there any other primes besides one and two that behave badly?


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[Assistant] I didn't realize that, so I know it's an epic 200 page proof, but one of the key foundations of it at the start is actually he's only doing it for powers that are prime.


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[Assistant] So of the, of the various problems that are out there, uh, with prime numbers, twin prime conjecture we've already spoken about, like this seems like it might be top of, top of the heap or Riemann hypothesis as well. Can you run me through the three or four biggest problems in prime numbers that you, that, you know, you would most love to see chalked off?


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[Assistant] Are you able to describe what the Riemann hypothesis is with just your voice? Because I've seen you do it, I think, before quite...


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[Assistant] Simply, way more simply than I've seen where people are drawing strips and graphs and that. How would you describe what the Riemann hypothesis is? To your linguist parents maybe.


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[Assistant] Always seems to me like, why is this so important? Like the Riemann Hypothesis and how many primes are there?


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[Assistant] Seems like, okay, I can see why that's a really important question. But like the twin prime conjecture always just feels a bit like...


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[Assistant] Oh, how many little freakish moments are there where two of them were near each other, like, just like...


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[Assistant] How many coincidences are there? How many times will I walk down the street and be lucky and find a pound coin? Like twin primes are nice, they tickle my brain as nice things, but they don't seem important, they just seem like happy coincidences and yet there's such importance is placed on this problem. Can you help me understand why it's important to understand these, these,


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[Assistant] When I think of prime numbers, I think of them as like individuals. Seven and thirteen. Or if I see a big number, I'm like, oh, is that prime? You know, I'm, I often will get a big number and just put it into an internet search to find out if it's prime because I'm weird like that.


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[Assistant] It seems like you're not particularly interested in prime numbers anymore as individuals. To you, they're just always P. Take, you know, P1, P8. Like, do you feel like you've moved on from prime numbers as personalities? Like, it's almost like you watch football and you don't see


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[Assistant] Wayne Rooney and the players, you just see like, footballers.


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[Assistant] So when they announce a new prime numbers, new massive prime numbers being found, you're a bit like, meh.


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[Assistant] Because you've had a few like headline grabbing proofs and breakthroughs, do you find everyone asks you what you're working on at the moment? What's next?


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[Assistant] That's all for today. I'll have links to some of James' work and his videos on Numberphile in the show notes. The Numberphile podcast is made possible by the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute, and this episode was supported by the audio engineering company, My Sound. Again, links in the show notes.


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[Assistant] You can support the Numberphile project on Patreon. Go to patreon.com slash numberphile. I'm Brady Harron. We'll be back again soon with another mathematician and another episode.


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[Assistant] First of all, let's deal with the transatlantic thing.


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[Assistant] No, well I can, as you see, I can mispronounce both of them, so.


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[Assistant] Hi, I'm Brady Harren and this is the Numberphile Podcast. You've probably figured out today's guest is a guy called Grant Sanderson. Grant Sanderson.


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[Assistant] Now Grant's the man, the brains, and the voice behind Three Blue, One Brown. And if you know what Numberphile is, you probably know what Three Blue, One Brown is, because it's an incredibly successful, brilliant YouTube channel all about mathematics.


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[Assistant] Today I'm going to be talking to Grant about that and about other bits and pieces from his life and mathematics. But before we get started, the thing I really wanted to establish is this. Why call the channel Three Blue, One Brown?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'd say maybe it's about like two fifths.


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[Assistant] So this is your eye. I interrupted and didn't let you explain properly. You've got this thing. What's it called in your eye that makes the colour?


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[Assistant] But for someone who's never seen Grant, by the way, in person, it's not particularly noticeable. Like you'd have to be right up close and looking for it. Like you'd look like just like a blue eyed guy, but it's just like a slight little, little tinge in one eye. It's quite, you know.


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[Assistant] So you created this really cool little like stylized logo of the eye and that's kind of, that's on everything you make. That's like your, that's your brand. As you said, you didn't know how successful this was all going to become. If you could go back in time.


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[Assistant] Would you still go with that or would you give it a more math search optimised name? Or do you think the name helped, the quirkiness of the name has helped in your success?


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[Assistant] They kind of tried to change the name a bit, didn't they? They kind of started, they tried to push it to be more called in a nutshell, which is what Kurzgesagt stands for, I think. And like, I think there was like a backlash and in the end they were like, no, you're right. Let's just stick with it.


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[Assistant] So one last thing about the name then, because you were saying before,


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[Assistant] That you're, you know, you're quite an introverted person. You're not like really super outgoing.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, I don't so much mean like strangers coming up to you and like, uh,


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[Assistant] If I had met you when you were like a schoolboy or very young, would I, would it have been predictable that you were going to end up being like?


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[Assistant] A math filmmaker type person. Like was it, was the writing on the wall? Was that, were you like the math kid?


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[Assistant] So you were always on this math path. You were like the math kid getting the good marks and it was inevitable. It wasn't like you had other.


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[Assistant] Other ambitions or passions that were gonna, that could have taken you elsewhere.


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[Assistant] Alright, so, so the path was inevitable and then what happened when you finished school, where did you like, where did you go to college and stuff?


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[Assistant] So were you majoring in math and like dabbling with computers on the side or were you doing computer courses at Stanford?


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[Assistant] What happened then? Were you being seduced away or not? Like what, what stopped you saying?


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[Assistant] Throwing in mathematics at that point saying, okay, I'm going to sign on for computer science. I'm loving this. All my friends are into it.


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[Assistant] So was that a feeling like you didn't want to end up being just like a small cog working on technical problems? You wanted to be making things that were like, you wanted to have more control and do more cool things?


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[Assistant] So those first couple of videos you put on YouTube that, you know, ended up helping you get noticed by Khan Academy and pushing you to where you are now.


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[Assistant] It was, it was in your, on your radar to put something on YouTube just because you'd seen other stuff on YouTube.


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[Assistant] So these videos you make like, you know, are good and therefore you end up getting- They weren't. I'll tell you, they weren't great.


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[Assistant] So just going back a little bit then, at what point do you make a decision or is it not a decision? Is it something that just happened accidentally between being an actual practicing mathematician and trying to


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[Assistant] An educator or an outreach type person, what like, what made you choose one for?


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[Assistant] So take me, take me through Khan Academy to three, three blue, one brown. Like what happened? How long were you there and what were you doing? And then how did you evolve?


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[Assistant] So after you'd left Khan Academy and then you started going like all in on


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[Assistant] Three blue, one brown and then like, you know, it, it exploded really quickly. Like it, it grew like really, it became massive very fast. Do you think that was because.


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[Assistant] Because you'd gone all in, you were putting out more videos or you were putting more time into the video so they were better or there was, it was a coincidence, like what?


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[Assistant] It seemed like as soon as you said I'm going all in on this, it went big straight away.


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[Assistant] What's an example of that? What's an example of a comment that came from a total stranger that changed the way you were making your videos?


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[Assistant] And like, cause my videos, I always get told are too long by like, you know, family and friends. And I say, no, no, no, I want it to be at the pace that I understood it when I was filming it, like to go at the speed of thought. I think you do it even better in your videos. I was watching your Fourier one this morning, actually. And like, sometimes you just stop.


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[Assistant] Three or four seconds. And like, something can just soak into my brain. It's like, you just say a point and you're like, you're just like going...


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[Assistant] Did you hear that? Did you understand that? And I'm like, I'm like grateful for those pauses. So I do, I think your pacing is very good and you think your, your, uh, your viewers informed that they're telling you slow the hell down.


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[Assistant] I mean, what percentage of comments written on your videos would you guess you read?


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[Assistant] For someone who's never seen your videos before, and I don't think there are many people listening to a Numberphile podcast who won't have seen your videos before, but just in case, how would you explain them? Like say I'm a taxi driver and I, let's, let's, let's roll play this. I'm a taxi driver. You get in the taxi. I'm like.


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[Assistant] Hey man, what do you do? What do you, how do you answer that? I will often say I run a YouTube channel about math. Do you go with math straight away or do you wait or will you just say I run a YouTube channel and hope they don't ask more or?


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[Assistant] But, I mean, your videos have got a very distinctive look and the way you make them is like the thing, isn't it? So do you go, how do you explain that?


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[Assistant] It's interesting, like you say, oh, I'm not a filmmaker, naturally, but the very thing you're saying is actually when I was taught to be a filmmaker at the BBC by the guy that came and like did.


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[Assistant] A lecture to us and that. The one thing that he taught us was to do exactly what you're doing and it's let the pictures, the visuals, in this case it was video and film, but in your case it's animation, was to let the pictures dominate the script. And the script is almost the last thing you write when you've got all your pictures and you put them down and you see what, how the story looks visually. So you know, maybe you are, were you thinking like a news journalist at least?


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[Assistant] Well yeaah, that's interesting. The, some of the things they talk probably wouldn't be useful to an animator, but, so you, when you've got an idea, presumably then before you even write a script, you'll just...


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[Assistant] You'll just monkey around with animations for a few days, will you, and look what happens and what's pretty and what's nice and what's interesting.


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[Assistant] Tutis love having a famous YouTube celebrity as their tutor.


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[Assistant] These trial lessons you do with people, like when you're test driving your next video, are you trying to stick vaguely to the script that's in your head or are you just like, you know, back of a napkin, two guys talking over a pint?


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[Assistant] And then later on, you know, it'll become the script or you, or you kind of test driving how you think you're going to do it and how the lines you're going to use and things.


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[Assistant] Are you using the animations at this point? Are you pulling out a laptop and trying to integrate that or?


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[Assistant] So as your enterprise is expanding and obviously it's become really, you know, a really successful channel and people want more and more from you, are you like, are you turning it into like a business with employees and things like that or is it still just you slaving over a computer or?


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[Assistant] So you think like the videos, a lot of, and I would agree with this by the way, a lot of the videos.


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[Assistant] I'm made by your personality. They have to be mostly made by you or they wouldn't be what they are.


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[Assistant] They know I do collaborations with various universities and they'll say, oh, you could have hundreds of people doing what you do with all the different universities. And I'm like,


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, I could, but like, I dunno, I feel like my videos are my videos and...


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah. And sometimes when I do get a little bit of editing help, it'll be like, oh no, you can't cut that bit. That's the best bit. And they'll be like, no, no, I thought that bit had to go. And I'm like, no, that was the, that was the one thing that had to stay in the video. So yeah, there is that, there is that, there is that tension, but then, you know, you are one human and it does, it does limit what you can do.


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[Assistant] Do you put the reason you do the videos down to like some altruistic reason? Obviously it's your business and it's your career and it's how you put food on the table.


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[Assistant] Is that what it is to you? Do you, do you, were you wax lyrical about how you want to inspire the next generation of mathematicians or is it just about like a passion to get it out there? What's kind of, is there something like that motivating you or is it just what you've fallen into?


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[Assistant] I think universities have got this problem and like there's a problem going down this path and you kind of identified a career path.


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[Assistant] When you're going through the process, obviously it's quite a long process making one of your videos because they're so long and they've got so much animation in them and they're just so dense and you've thought about them so much.


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[Assistant] Of all the steps in the process, from the sitting down talking to people to the...


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[Assistant] The initial monkeying around with the animations to see how it's going to look to writing the script to the final push when you're actually making it.


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[Assistant] Tell me about like the 10 minutes before you make a video go public and that 10 minutes after. You strike me as a personality type that would not enjoy that 10 minute period of pressing the button and, cause you're finding out how it's first received or if you've made some whopping mistake or like.


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[Assistant] You're obviously, you're obviously quite good at mathematics, you know, you got into Stanford and that sort of thing, so you obviously have like...


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[Assistant] Talent for mathematics. Does any part of you wish...


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[Assistant] That you'd become a mathematician. Do you ever feel like you're a sports commentator and you wish you'd been the quarterback? Like, you wish you were the guy solving the Riemann hypothesis?


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[Assistant] But does that make you even more jealous of those people and wish you were one of them? Or you're just quite comfortable with your lot? Like, cause I couldn't do any of that stuff, but I spent all my time with all these Nobel Prize winners and Fields Medalists and that and like...


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[Assistant] I have like a, like a kind of envy for them. I'm like, oh, good on you. That's like, that's, that's the real work. You know, I'm just here, I'm just here explaining the greatness of others. And like, even though I know I couldn't be great, I still wish I could have been.


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[Assistant] But is it all online video for you now? Like do you think that's it? I'm a filmmaker now? Or do you think, no, you know, this online video is going to...


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[Assistant] Go the way of the dodo and I need to be making three dimensional goggles things or I want to write a book or like have you got plans beyond video or you think that's just, your hands are full now.


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[Assistant] I was just talking to a bunch of math teachers a few days ago, so I got asked about this, so the question is fresh in my mind.


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[Assistant] I guess I don't have like the loyalty and the history with math that you do. So it's not like, you know, this is my, this is my passion that I want to push the barrow for. With me, with Numberphile and with all my channels.


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[Assistant] It's never about trying to advance the subject. It just so happens that these are subjects that I find really interesting.


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[Assistant] I'm not very good at it, but I find mathematics really interesting. I find chemistry and all science interesting. And as just like a storyteller and a journalist, I just have a compulsion that when I find something that I find interesting that tickles my brain, I just want to tell other people.


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[Assistant] It's like an addiction, storytelling and sharing cool stuff is an addiction. And you know, I can't come home and tell my wife about every interesting thing I find out about prime numbers because she finds it a bit boring. But luckily I live at a time when instead there's this piece of technology that means.


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[Assistant] I can go and make a film and tell a story and tell you know thousands and thousands of people. And if that makes someone want to be a mathematician, fine. If it makes them hate mathematics,


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[Assistant] And I think that like, that side of my personality is why I make the videos. When I sit down with a mathematician,


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[Assistant] And it's something I understand. Like it just sends like, I get these chills down my spine and I can't wait to make the video because I want other people to experience those same chills. I don't care what job they do. I don't care if they're watching it just for fun on their lunch break or if they want to, if it makes them go to school. I feel really good when they say.


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[Assistant] And I'm sure you get this all the time. I feel really good when they say, oh, I'm going to study mathematics at university or I'm, I've changed my major because of your videos. You really inspired me. That makes me feel super, super proud.


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[Assistant] And it was never what I'm thinking. I'm never sitting there making a video thinking, well this is going to make people want to be mathematicians for sure. I'm just thinking, oh man, this fact about pi is going to knock people's socks off.


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[Assistant] Okay. You can retract it at a later date. There's an asterisk on that one.


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[Assistant] Do you think society needs to be more math literate? Like do you think...


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[Assistant] It's bad that people don't understand mathematics better. Like, or do you, you don't, doesn't matter?


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[Assistant] Of all like the STEM disciplines, I don't know if you would agree with this or not, but I feel like mathematics is the worst.


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[Assistant] That's a good observation about Wikipedia because I so often find myself going to Wikipedia for help when I'm researching a subject or editing a video and it is no help to me ever in mathematics.


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[Assistant] I tell you what I'm taking away from this, not that people should read text box differently obviously, but they should be written differently. Maybe that's your thing, like maybe that's...


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[Assistant] I would love to read a math textbook that you did. Maybe that's your long term project. If anyone out there makes math textbooks, get in touch.


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[Assistant] Grant Sanderson or Grant Sanderson, depending on where you're from and get him to write your textbook. Would you write textbook? It seems like a lot of work, but I can't rule that out.


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[Assistant] Well that's it for today, but if I may do a bit of a post-show debrief. Firstly, and most importantly, if you've not yet seen a Three Blue, One Brown video, make sure you do.


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[Assistant] Grant's not hard to find. And of course, I'll include some links to his stuff. This podcast is made possible by help from the Mathematical Sciences Research Institute in Berkeley, California.


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[Assistant] But this episode was also supported by Maya Sound and they're also in Berkeley. Now they're not here to sell you anything, but they do love sharing with people about their research and latest developments from the labs. So if you're curious, a good place to look is their website.


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[Assistant] My sound dot com and then just find your way to the news or about sections of the website. The Wikipedia page about my sound is also pretty good actually. I'll include links in the show notes.


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[Assistant] Now the Numberphile podcast will be back very soon. You're probably aware this is a bit of a new thing for us and you can give us a real boost by doing all those usual podcasty things like subscribing, reviewing, rating.


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[Assistant] Just tell your friends about it. It really means a lot, especially at these early stages. It'll help us get things off the ground. And for more about Numberphile in general, go to our website, numberphile.com. There's videos, t-shirts, a link to our Patreon.


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[Assistant] And well, I think that's it. You did it. You listened all the way to the end. Thank you.


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[Assistant] That's a really good question because there is no concise way of doing it. And when I'm at my happiest is when someone asks my wife what I do for a living. Often if I'm nearby, I'm like, all right, let's hear this. This could be interesting. Actually it happened because when we got married.


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[Assistant] On our case, they're like, look, there's just one of us here. Would you mind being in the room? I think we have, we, we were not a high risk case.


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[Assistant] It was like Mr and Mrs, but the prize is being allowed to get married. And so she's a solar physicist. Boom. There's my answer for her. She just said, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm a math teacher because there are then very few follow on questions. And if you say, I'm a standup comedian, never say that. Cause they always want you to tell a joke and I'm not doing that.


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[Assistant] And if you say YouTuber, they're like, oh, and they've got some opinion or thing they want to go on about that. What do you say? Do you say you make YouTube videos or?


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[Assistant] No, no, very happy to just go with math teacher. And that's what I always say. And it would tend to be, if it's like a party scenario and I say math teacher.


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[Assistant] It'll be people I know or my wife who then says he's underselling what he does. He also blah, blah, blah, blah. Actually, the most common place I get asked is going into the United States in immigration. They're like, what do you do, sir? And so I tend to say mass teacher.


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[Assistant] I'm like, oh, well, yeah, but I work part-time for a university and I do this and I do that and the other. Now I think I'm just gonna start saying author and they're not going to ask me, oh, quick, write a chapter, right? Then, oh, but they're not also not going to.


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[Assistant] There's no follow-on question. So done. All roads lead to, uh, maths, huh? And then that's it.


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[Assistant] In Australia. I was born in Perth, Western Australia. Okay. So you're from Adelaide. Yes. Which is lovely. Thank you. It's got a great mall.


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[Assistant] Which is a long way from Adelaide. A long way from Adelaide. I once drove from Perth to Adelaide. In fact, we drove from Perth to Melbourne. I was going to the Melbourne Comedy Festival. Wow.


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[Assistant] And I'd already done the Adelaide fringe and then went to Perth to see the family. Cause my mom gets very upset because my mom and dad still live in Perth. And I go to Australia quite a bit for work, but it tends to be Sydney, Melbourne, occasionally Adelaide.


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[Assistant] And my mom gets a bit emotional if I literally fly over her without visiting, right? So every trip I go to Perth, which is great. I see family and hang out. And then Lucy and I hired a camper van and drove from Perth.


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[Assistant] So every 1000 kilometers, the whole trip was 3.6 megameters. We got out of the car and took a photo because Lucy's research, she's a solar physicist, her research, everything's done in megameters, like 10 to the six meters. That's just what she uses. But on the sun, like that's tiny and we actually paste out.


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[Assistant] Just over three mega meters. And I want to show Lucy, cause she's British, just the size of Australia. And growing up in Perth, it's very isolated, which has pros and cons.


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[Assistant] And the scale until you drive it, it's such an abstract concept that distance is involved. And so we're like, right, we are going to drive across the nullable. We're going to see the fact that.


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[Assistant] One bit that's dead straight for 90 miles. And then it's the same scenery day after day. And we got to one service station, which had a motel made out of shipping crates attached to it. And Lucy's like, ah, this isn't, it's not very nice.


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[Assistant] I was like, do you want to drive to the next one? She's like, yep. So we got back in the car, two hours later, another service station with a few shipping crates turned into a motel. And we're like, well, this is just what you get, right? This is the nullable.


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[Assistant] No trees. Yeah, exactly. And there are no trees. That is not false advertising. There's a null, null number of trees across the null of all, which I love. So like yourself, I've lived in the UK now for.


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[Assistant] Goodness, I've done like a decade and a half now.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I've obviously got a love for Britain and the British people. Do you consider yourself an Australian or a Brit? You know, I consider myself Australian. Yeah. And that's difficult having a British accent. So. You think you have a British accent? I definitely have a British accent.


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[Assistant] There you go. Cause we were in Kalgoorlie, which is this mining town where the, um, paternal side of my family comes from Kalgoorlie. And so Lucy and I have actually been there a couple of times. We really like Kalgoorlie. It's like this wild west mining town. It's terrible, but we love it. And it's where the Halfords who, uh, my paternal grandmother's line came from.


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[Assistant] And we got there and we'd missed when the hotel we'd booked had closed, right? Cause it's a long time to get there and we just took a bit too long. And when it's closed, it's closed, right? We had no, and we bumped into someone else staying in that hotel.


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[Assistant] And we were like, oh, we just missed them closing and now we can't get into it tomorrow. And then they're like, oh, well, you know, it's a lot, they were, they were talking about Calgulli. I was like, oh, actually Lucy said, oh, Matt's actually from Perth. And they were like, what? I said, yeah, my accents changed a lot.


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[Assistant] They just looked at me and went, ah, that's a shocker. Now, whenever I talk occasionally, people will go, ah, that's a shocker. Cause just my accent to Australians is super British, but to British people, I still sound very Australian. And to Australians who live abroad, I fall into a spectrum.


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[Assistant] So some of them, I still do weird things to some vowels. That's between you and the vowels. Exactly. And some reflections here and there and certain words and phrases and even weird things like, is it gotten? There's a few words that I would use all the time. And then people are like, oh, that's a weird way to say that.


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[Assistant] I was nerdy right out of the gates. So obviously I played a bit of sport because in Australia, everyone's forced to play every sport just to make sure you're not good at any of them. That was eliminated, wasn't it? It really was. That's why Australia punches above its weight. In my argument, international sport is we just check every citizen.


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[Assistant] Against every sport when they're in primary school, just to see if they're good at them or not, right?


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[Assistant] And so I was on the high school basketball team and I loved playing basketball and that was great. And height is a bit of an advantage and I could jump, right? And I thoroughly enjoyed basketball. Terrible at cricket. I was adequate at lacrosse.


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[Assistant] I know, I didn't see that coming, so get that a go.


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[Assistant] Passable at football and soccer and the rest, right? But I loved nerdy things. And so my dad is an accountant.


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[Assistant] And my mom trained as a dental assistant, but then.


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[Assistant] Basically is either worked in book shops or libraries ever since. And so it's quite a nerdy family in that regard. And when I was very young, my dad gave me exercise books to do, which were arithmetic and I quite enjoyed that. Right. It's one of my earlier memories is enjoying doing adding up, which, you know, that worked out.


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[Assistant] And I often say when I'm asked about my background that it was an advantage going to school already liking maths.


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[Assistant] I've already been convinced it's a fun thing to do. And I think that's very true that, you know, if you don't like math, it's easy to get behind. And once you're behind, you're in big trouble. So the fact that it was at home and you know, my rolling start, I always enjoyed it. I loved it, but I still enjoyed physics and chemistry and when I was younger, a lot of biology bits and even like I was


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[Assistant] Programming, there's a thing in Perth called Piac, which I think still runs, which is primary extension and challenge. And that's where they get a bunch of kids. They're like, Hey, you look a bit bored in lessons.


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[Assistant] And you do a different thing, a different school once a term. And one time it was programming and one time it will stop animation and one time it was.


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[Assistant] Sampling bugs from a swamp over the course of a season or something, right? And that was a, was such a wide range of nerdy things. And that's my first memories of programming and maths and chemistry and a bunch of other things. And I've been a poly nerd, I think ever since.


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[Assistant] Oh, my absolute first memory of what I wanted to be when I grew up was a bricklayer.


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[Assistant] I liked building, people building buildings, like that's amazing. And then that gradually transformed into engineering. When I realized just putting the bricks in place is probably not the most fun part, although I still enjoy, you know, construction of hands on things. And so I actually studied.


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[Assistant] Engineering at university initially. Right. And this is just between us and.


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[Assistant] All the, uh, number five podcast listeners. I initially enrolled in a mechatronic engineering degree. What does that mean? Which means you're doing mechanical engineering with electronics. Okay. Turns out I'm terrible at electrical engineering.


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[Assistant] Like I used to love soldering and I've been soldering, you know, since primary school, uh, love electrical circuits.


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[Assistant] But that kind of electrical engineering, that hardcore analysis of circuits, I just didn't, I was like, oh, this is exciting. And I really enjoyed civil engineering because we were forced to do some civil units. So.


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[Assistant] Love concrete, big fan of concrete as I discovered a material engineering. And so I really enjoyed all this, but I did it as a double major.


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[Assistant] So I was doing a double major in mechatronic, which then became mechanical engineering and


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[Assistant] Physics first year, I did computer science as well because you're allowed to do an extra first year. And so I did first year comps. I again loved that, but never pursued it beyond that. And I did two years of engineering and I was like, this is not for me. Right.


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[Assistant] And I'd done all the requirements for the first two years of a math degree while doing physics. And then I did an extra year on the end, which was the third year of maths. And so then I did my maths bachelors. So I officially got a bachelor of science, double majoring in physics and mathematics.


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[Assistant] Not really, it was always there and my educational career was just a gradual.


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[Assistant] Shedding of bits. So if you spoke to me when I was in high school, I probably wouldn't have been able to split maths, physics and chemistry. And by the end of high school chemistry, I was like, I'm sick of memorizing the colors of things that precipitate out and salts and all these things.


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[Assistant] And then I loved physics, so I did a physics degree, absolutely loved it, but I was kind of just happiest when the equations were working out well.


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[Assistant] But I enjoyed it enough that I finished the degree and looked at doing postgraduate physics, but then I was like, actually, I really like loved the maths aspects. And so I was like, well, let's do the maths degrees. We're like, well, I'm not in a rush, right? I thoroughly enjoyed the equations doing physics. I enjoyed all the maths units. Let's do third year maths. I don't want to miss out on that. And what actually bumped me into hard maths.


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[Assistant] And I've still got a soft spot for physics obviously, because after that I did a teaching qualification.


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[Assistant] And I was like, what do I want to teach? What did I enjoy?


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[Assistant] Since then I've just got more and more into maths and the fact that I can do it at a recreational level in kind of a way you can't do physics, I find, uhm, amazing.


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[Assistant] Studying was, I was like, okay, I could go into do, you know, a PhD would be the next step. I wasn't a brilliant theoretical physicist. I quite enjoyed experimental stuff. And I was like, okay, but I was so sick of, I'd done four years at that point. And I was like, oh, I just need a break from constant.


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[Assistant] Everyone in Perth needs to live somewhere else for a year at least. And I'd done this gap year, but I did that when I was like 17. And I was like, you know what? As an adult, I'd like to go live in England again. And I was like, well, I don't want to just work in pubs.


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[Assistant] And so genuinely my logic was I'll get a teaching qualification and then I can teach in England while traveling. That was my plan.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't just that because that's a lot of effort to go on vacation. I was also thinking, I wonder if I would enjoy this as a career. And this is a good way to find out. And the teaching qualification is one year. The diploma of education is a one year postgraduate diploma.


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[Assistant] And you get to do a placement pretty quick. I was like, well, I'm going to do my first placement within like four months. I'll find out very quickly if I enjoy teaching.


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[Assistant] And I absolutely loved it. I loved my placements. I loved the qualification. I then actually taught in Australia for a year first, because I kind of thought, well, I'm enjoying this. I should do it my own culture first.


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[Assistant] And so I taught for one year in Perth, had a great time, but then I was like, you know.


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[Assistant] Originally I wanted to go to the UK and so I then went on the, I got the two year working holiday to the United Kingdom and off I went and taught some of the time, traveled some of the time. Absolutely enjoyed it. And towards the end of that.


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[Assistant] Is when I started doing work for universities and that's when I started to drift out of teaching. So I then moved on to a more permanent visa doing educational support stuff in the UK.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's no, get me wrong. It was incredibly difficult. So actually I spoke to a new teacher last night. They came to a talk I did, physics teacher. And I often get asked for advice because people know I was a teacher. I always say your first year of teaching is the hardest year of your life.


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[Assistant] Oh no, actually, depending on how your training is done, for me, my diploma of education was the hardest year of my life. My first year of teaching was the second hardest year of my life. It's, there's no way to learn teaching then doing it.


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[Assistant] Learn a bit of theory and then you've got to stand up in front of teenagers and convince them to listen to you. But it gets dramatically easier with experience because you see a student, your second or third year teaching, a student would do something stupid and you're like, ah,


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[Assistant] I've dealt with this before, right? And you're so much better the second time. And once you've, when you first start, you're staying up until after midnight planning lessons because you're doing everything from scratch. But then second, third year in, you're like, Oh, okay. I've taught this before. I've already got the resources and a teacher I worked with.


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[Assistant] Kako Kimley, when I was at my first year of teaching, said after five years, teaching becomes more of a hobby.


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[Assistant] And it's true. It starts as the hardest thing you'll ever do. And in five years, it's a hobby that you do on the side with the rest of your work life balance. And I taught for four years, so I fell just short of that, but I miss it, right? It's really, it's super hard work, but it is very rewarding.


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[Assistant] I was not, no, no, no, cause comedy doesn't fly with teenagers and the moment teenagers think you're trying to impress them, this is my motto, the moment they think you're trying to impress them, it's all over. And so I wasn't the funny teacher. Although I.


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[Assistant] I would say in advanced sense of humor, but obviously I'm biased, right? And so that's kind of fun, right? And I got endless entertainment from saying things which I knew the students would find hilarious, but I do it with a straight face, right? And they can't tell, you know, they're like.


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[Assistant] I can't believe you said that. I can't believe they didn't know I said that deliberately, which is good fun, but comedy is very different to teaching.


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[Assistant] Ah, I think they're all pears. This is, uh. This is apples and oranges here. Oh, really? Oh, sorry. Didn't know one of us is a real journalist.


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[Assistant] But in university you were into comedy. I was into comedy. I was into comedy, yes. Performing as well or just writing? Just writing. And I did short films.


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[Assistant] So this is before YouTube. So I made short films.


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[Assistant] For short film festivals and then I had a spot on the community television station. So channel 31.


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[Assistant] I was making little comedy videos. They weren't math or nerdy. They were just.


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[Assistant] It's just a shot of a road in Perth with traffic driving along. And then I walk into frame from one side with a big roll under my arm and I roll out a zebra crossing across the road.