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[Assistant] But I'm afraid that Wendy did not really worry about her father and mother. She was absolutely confident that they would always keep the window open for her to fly back by, and this gave her complete ease of mind.


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[Assistant] What did disturb her at times was that John remembered his parents vaguely only, as people he had once known, while Michael was quite willing to believe that she was really his mother.


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[Assistant] These things scared her a little, and nobly anxious to do her duty, she tried to fix the old life in their minds by setting them examination papers on it, as like as possible to the ones she used to do at school.


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[Assistant] The other boys thought this awfully interesting and insisted on joining, and they made slates for themselves and sat round the table writing and thinking hard about the questions she had written on another slate and passed round.


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[Assistant] They were the most ordinary questions. What was the color of mother's eyes? Which was taller, father or mother? Was mother blonde or brunette?


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[Assistant] Answer all three questions, if possible.


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[Assistant] A. Write an essay of not less than 40 words on how I spent my last holidays, or the characters of father and mother compared. Only one of these to be attempted.


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[Assistant] They were just everyday questions like these. And when you could not answer them, you were told to make a cross. And it was really dreadful what a number of crosses even John made.


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[Assistant] Of course, the only boy who replied to every question was slightly, and no one could have been more hopeful of coming out first, but his answers were perfectly ridiculous and he really came out last. A melancholy thing.


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[Assistant] Peter did not compete. For one thing, he despised all mothers, except Wendy. And for another, he was the only boy on the island who could neither write nor spell. Not the smallest word. He was above all that sort of thing.


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[Assistant] By the way, the questions were all written in the past tense. What was the color of mother's eyes and so on? When do you see had been forgetting too?


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[Assistant] Adventures, of course, as we shall see, were of daily occurrence. But about this time, Peter invented, with Wendy's help, a new game that fascinated him enormously, until he suddenly had no more interest in it, which, as you've been told, was what always happened with his games.


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[Assistant] It consisted in pretending not to have adventures, in doing the sort of thing John and Michael had been doing all their lives, sitting on stools, flinging balls in the air, pushing each other, going out for walks and coming back without having killed so much as a grizzly.


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[Assistant] To see Peter doing nothing on a stool was a great sight. He could not help looking solemn at such times. To sit still seemed to him such a comic thing to do.


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[Assistant] He boasted that he had gone a walk for the good of his health.


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[Assistant] For several sons, these were the most novel of all adventures to him. And John and Michael had to pretend to be delighted also, otherwise he would have treated them severely.


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[Assistant] Not with the support of William of Scotland's troops, and with the aid of the barons of Flanders and Brittany, my father will surrender.


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[Assistant] My uncle sent me to summon you to the celebration in honor of the king, before the siege begins.


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[Assistant] One day, you'll find someone like yourself, that will kill you like you did with my father.


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[Assistant] And to this man, the task was given, and he was endorsed with the noblest of animals.


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[Assistant] Being a knight, transcends the normal human being. It opens the doors of an ancient world, which is often difficult to dominate. It's fighting brotherhood.


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[Assistant] I don't know if I even said anything. I went into the cafeteria here.


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[Assistant] Like for real? So we were there, obviously not 12 hours, it was like what, we were there like 11 or something, AM.


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[Assistant] You gotta do a whole dress rehearsal, all, you know, dressed up and stuff.


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[Assistant] And then you sit there for like hours, then you do the red carpet, then you sit there for hours. This was the thing, it was honestly though, besides everything, like one of the most fun


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[Assistant] Because sometimes I see like, like people I know are like friends of mine or like, artists I like, and my screen is like, move, move!


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[Assistant] What do they provide for you? Well, the thing was I was backstage like pretty much the whole time I only sat down right after my performance. And that was like an hour, it was like two hours into the show, an hour and a half.


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[Assistant] That was crazy. So last night it was more just like, the brits themselves were the party to me. Like it was really fun. We were like partying backstage.


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[Assistant] I think it was actually more my team's idea to have, like, Johnny and Hans come and do the show. And I was like, hell yeah, if they're down.


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[Assistant] Like, cause those are such high pressure, those type of performances, and having people that, like, I know and, you know.


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[Assistant] It was really amazing, it was honestly like, I mean I said it in my speech, I just like, I looked at the, I was not expecting all those fans in the front to just like,


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[Assistant] It went up and it really, like, it made my heart soar, cause, uh, lately it's just been, like, weird and cold, but, uhm, yeaah, it's been, it was, it was amazing, it was really fun.


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[Assistant] Not gonna just settle for everything that's, you know, I work harder because I feel like I should and I feel like I want to for myself. It's not that I wasn't good up, uh, they didn't like me. Who cares? I didn't like it. But, Oscars were incredible, Grams were incredible, Brits were incredible.


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[Assistant] I felt great about my performance. I really- I barely ever feel great about like live perf- like TV show performances that I do and that one I was like- afterwards I was like-


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[Assistant] It's pretty cool. It's so cool. Yeah, great, good. Especially here. You know, like, come on. So cool.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. It was before we got it. We went to London to watch it so that I could have more, uh, information about it.


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[Assistant] On the trail of the pirates stealing noiselessly down the warpath, which is not visible to inexperienced eyes, come the Redskins. Every one of them with his eyes peeled.


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[Assistant] They carry tomahawks and knives, and their naked bodies gleam with paint and oil. Strung around them are scalps, of boys as well as of pirates, for these are the Piccaninni tribe. And not to be confused with the softer-hearted Delawares or the Hurons.


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[Assistant] In the van, on all fours, is great big little Panther. A brave of so many scalps, that in his present position they somewhat impede his progress.


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[Assistant] She is the most beautiful of dusky dianas and the belle of the Picaninis, coquettish, cold and amorous by turns. There is not one brave who would not have the wayward thing to wife, but she staves off the altar with a hatchet.


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[Assistant] Observe how they pass over fallen twigs without making the slightest noise.


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[Assistant] The only sound to be heard is their somewhat heavy breathing.


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[Assistant] The fact is that they are all a little fat just now after the heavy gorging. But in time, they will work this off. For the moment, however, it constitutes their chief danger.


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[Assistant] The red skins disappear as they have come, like shadows, and soon their place is taken by the beasts, a great and motley procession, lions, tigers, bears, and the innumerable smaller savage things that flee from them.


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[Assistant] For every kind of beast, and more particularly, all the man-eaters, live cheek by jowl on the favored island. Their tongues are hanging out. They are hungry tonight. When they have passed, comes the last figure of all. A gigantic crocodile. We shall see for whom she is looking presently.


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[Assistant] The crocodile passes, but soon the boys appear again for the procession must continue indefinitely until one of the parties stops or changes its pace. Then quickly they will be on top of each other.


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[Assistant] All are keeping a sharp lookout in front, but none suspects that the danger may be creeping up from behind. This shows how real the island was.


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[Assistant] The first to fall out of the moving circle was the boys. They flung themselves down on the sward, close to their underground home.


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[Assistant] I do wish Peter would come back, every one of them said nervously. Though in height and still more in breath, they were all larger than their captain.


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[Assistant] I am the only one who is not afraid of the pirates, slightly said, in the tone that prevented his being a general favorite. But perhaps some distant sound disturbed him, for he added hastily. But I wish he would come back, and tell us whether he has heard anything more about Cinderella.


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[Assistant] They talked of Cinderella, and Tootles was confident that his mother must have been very like her.


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[Assistant] It was only in Peter's absence that they could speak of mothers, the subject being forbidden by him as silly.


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[Assistant] All I remember about my mother, Nibs told them, is that she often said to my father, Oh, how I wish I had a checkbook of my own.


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[Assistant] I don't know what a checkbook is, but I should just love to give my mother one.


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[Assistant] While they talked, they heard a distant sound. You or I, not being wild things of the woods, would have heard nothing, but they heard it. And it was the grim song.


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[Assistant] In the black topper, the light was completely hidden, and they flew on in silence.


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[Assistant] It was the stillest silence they had ever known, broken once by a distant lapping, which Peter explained was the wild beasts drinking at the ford, and again by a rasping sound that might have been the branches of trees rubbing together, but he said it was the redskins sharpening their knives. Even these noises ceased. To Michael, the loneliness was dreadful.


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[Assistant] As if in answer to his request, the air was rent by the most tremendous crash he had ever heard. The pirates had fired long tom at them. The roar of it echoed through the mountains and the echoes seemed to cry savagely, Where are they? Where are they? Where are they?


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[Assistant] Thus, sharply did the terrified three learn the difference between an island of make-believe and the same island come true.


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[Assistant] When at last the heavens were steady again, John and Michael found themselves alone in the darkness.


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[Assistant] John was treading the air mechanically and Michael, without knowing how to float, was floating. Are you shot? John whispered tremulously. I haven't tried yet. Michael whispered back. We know now that no one had been hit.


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[Assistant] Peter, however, had been carried by the wind of the shot far out to sea, while Wendy was blown upwards with no companion but Tinkerbell.


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[Assistant] I don't know whether the idea came suddenly to Tink or whether she had planned it on the way, but she at once popped out of the hat and began to lure Wendy to her destruction. Tink was not all bad.


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[Assistant] Or rather, she was all bad just now, but on the other hand, sometimes she was all good.


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[Assistant] Fairies have to be one thing or the other because being so small they unfortunately have room for one feeling only at a time. They are, however, allowed to change. Only it must be a complete change.


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[Assistant] What she said in her lovely tinkle, Wendy could not of course understand, and I believe some of it was bad words, but it sounded kind, and she flew back and forward, plainly meaning, follow me, and all will be well. What else could poor Wendy do?


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[Assistant] She called to Peter and John and Michael, and got only mocking echoes in reply.


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[Assistant] You're starting a trend. You're starting a trend among the young people. Hey, we do want it before we start.


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[Assistant] The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show, there's some eyes coming to us. Let's pull up the video, Steve. Check out these retweets from yesterday. How about Urban Meyer and Richard Sherman? Oh nice, I didn't see that one. That's 4 million Twitter followers combined, so shout out Tyvis for making some waves.


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[Assistant] We don't have to go to break. Check this out. We got Leroy right now. Leroy's on. He wants to talk Baker. Let's let him go.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so Steve's our EP, and when he texts me a question, he pays my check, so I gotta make sure we ask it. But, uh, last week on the show, Jake called the big house a toilet bowl. Yeah, it is. And I just was curious how you'd like to respond to that.


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[Assistant] Where it runs on its imagination, Aditi. You could take this if you're- Wherever you want. Anywhere you want to go. You're a Browns fan. This is a Judge Court. And I- I'll make a movie on this.


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[Assistant] Which superhero would make the best NFL player?


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[Assistant] All right, Mikey, what's our top five? So I want to say one thing first. What's going to happen? Bowl winning an argument in Judge Jay or winning a little league game?


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[Assistant] Okay, what's our top five list? So tomorrow, we're changing my Twitter handle and adopting an official nickname. So is the vote tomorrow? The vote is tomorrow, so you have 24 hours. Do we know the choices yet? Mikey, Mikey McNuggets leader in the clubhouse. And we still have four others to come up with from the chat. So we will have them all five tomorrow.


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[Assistant] What's the worst nicknames in sports? So these are the lists that I'm trying to avoid being on tomorrow. Oh, I see. Worst nicknames.


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[Assistant] Uhm, where are we, number two? We have number two. This one just annoys the crap out of me. Awesome Bill from Dawsonville.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we can do good bet, bad bet, and then we'll do, uh, final takes after the break.


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[Assistant] I didn't either. He'll roll with it. Watch what I'll do, don't worry.


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[Assistant] We're gonna come up with a nickname and we're gonna figure out what else to talk about because we skipped a couple topics today. We'll probably bring them back tomorrow.


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[Assistant] Always wonderful to be here with you, Chetan Charanji.


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[Assistant] An important topic indeed, Shaitanya Charanji.


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[Assistant] What I have determined over, you know, my 50 years of reading Prabhupada's words and my academic training and background


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[Assistant] And by articulating these three levels, we can better understand what our relationship is with Prabhupada's words.


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[Assistant] And when we say our, of course, we are comprised of devotees at three different levels. Kanisha Madhyama Uttama.


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[Assistant] And it's not that we are Kanisha, Madhyama and Uttama, but rather I would like to suggest that sometimes we can act as a Kanisha or act as a Madhyama or even act as an Uttama.


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[Assistant] Yes, we can rise, we can rise to these levels. It's not that, you know, I am fixed as a Kanisha. You know, sometimes I can be very open-minded like a Madhyama, maybe even broad-minded by repeating Prabhupada's vision of the way


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[Assistant] Things can be universally understood and so on. So, I mean, again, I think we have to be careful of the reification of these statuses of konishtha madhima uttama. They're more fluid. They're more mixed. Let's not be so categorical.


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[Assistant] Invented this idea of categories. Category means that what's in one category, it has nothing to do with what is in the other category.


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[Assistant] They said, uh, Garuda Prabhu, I would like to formally accept you as my Shiksha Guru.


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[Assistant] And my response was, well, Prabhu, you can do what you want, but what I'd like to suggest is this.


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[Assistant] When I state something that really inspires you and lifts you up in Krishna Bhakti, then I'm your Shiksha Guru. But if I say something that's stupid and uninspiring,


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[Assistant] I'm not your Sheikshen Guru. So let's do it on a sentence by sentence basis.


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[Assistant] That's right, exactly. It's a fluid thing, Chaitanya Charanji. So, you know, uhm,


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[Assistant] And I would suggest that Prabhupada's discourse can be on three different levels.


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[Assistant] The first level being the essential teachings of Krishna Bhakti. Essential teaching.


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[Assistant] The second level are those teachings which are supportive and illuminating of the first level, the essential teachings. And then the third level are peripheral teachings. They could be there or they could not be there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and one thing I need to also bring out about Prabhupada in his teachings, as Prabhupada as a teacher, I can see that he, uhm, sometimes raises issues to be shocking. A little bit like a Zen master.


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[Assistant] Just to shock us out of our normal way of thinking. Get out of that box and dive into Krishna Bhakti.


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[Assistant] Uh, and uh, it's, it's, it's always fun to see how Prabhupada will respond to different questions. Good ones, bad ones, mediocre ones, brilliant ones, whatever the questions. Prabhupada always had a response. Never was he at a loss for words.


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[Assistant] It's not only was Prabhupada, you know, had his own teaching style, uh, that was, um, you know, full of wit and spontaneity and, and perspectives, um,


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[Assistant] Which he may not have even taken so seriously in one level.


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[Assistant] But one thing we also have to know about his written works as well, is that if you, if you analyze Prabhupada's, uhm, assertions, philosophical assertions, in many cases, they're not fully rational.


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[Assistant] They're not grounded in necessarily facts. Sometimes he uses hyperbole, making a relative issue an absolute issue. Uhm, you know, if you analyze objectively his various forms of rhetoric,


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[Assistant] You would be finding, um, flaws. So why does anyone listen to Prabhupada? I'll tell you why. Because he is the most powerful ambassador of Krishna bhakti extraordinaire. And that because of that, he can get away with


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[Assistant] Statements that are perhaps a little sloppy on their logical level.


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[Assistant] Or refer to some obscure doctor in Calcutta. You know, I mean, really, who would do that? Now can I get away with that? No, I can't get away with that.


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[Assistant] Because I am subject to, uh, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, uh, challenges of a rational kind, not just from God brothers and God sisters and, uh, my Vaishnava brothers and sisters, but also in the academic setting, I can't get away with that.


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[Assistant] But why did people, why did my colleagues in the academic realm?


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[Assistant] I appreciate Prabhupada so much, even when they saw these things, because most powerfully coming through this kind of rhetoric, which is very mixed, most powerfully he transmitted the Krishna bhakti teaching.


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[Assistant] In the academics was appreciated by Srila Prabhupada.


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[Assistant] My job is to help people understand and appreciate Srila Prabhupada's teachings. That's my, that's my life work. So,


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[Assistant] And we have to use measurements that are commonly not just accepted, but are intuitive.


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[Assistant] So, now, that said, again, I have to resort to this kind of exceptional power that Prabhupada had


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[Assistant] Non-rational or irrational or illogical types of statements.


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[Assistant] Behind them and through them was coming Krishna bhakti.


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[Assistant] And it wasn't just his age, you mentioned age, you know, I'm close to his age. And I can't get away with that.


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[Assistant] Okay, so, you know, I'm not far from Prabhupada's age when he came to America. So, I mean, if I start talking to you the way that Prabhupada talked to us, you might end this interview very quickly.


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[Assistant] Uh, I, I, you would have to announce to your audience, well, uh, Garuda Prabhu, very nice fellow, I suppose, but, uh, he's an irrational, uh, fellow and I couldn't make any sense of him at times and, you know, so on. Now, now,


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[Assistant] How, but, but you see what is consistent with Prabhupada is the way his transmission, his ambassadorship of Krishna bhakti powerfully saturated everything he did. So it didn't,


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[Assistant] In a peculiar way, it doesn't matter what Prabhupada says.


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[Assistant] Because the Krishna Bhakti saturated it.


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[Assistant] As someone in the academics and someone who's a trained scholar,


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[Assistant] I've put my thinking very carefully to all of this.


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[Assistant] Let me respond to that. We're not exactly removing them. We're translating them.


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[Assistant] Yes, the removal of the obstacles is to try to bring people to an understanding of Prabhupada's ambassadorship.


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[Assistant] The way he saturated everything. Look, Chaitanya Charanji, uhm, uh,


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[Assistant] I emailed you earlier this morning saying, do we have a meeting today? So there's Garuda, you know, absent-minded professor or whatever. Okay. Now, now, you know, I was, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, absorbed in working on one of my books that is late to the publisher and so on. And that's fine and well, and so I'm...


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[Assistant] But literally, khan descends to our world. Everything is saturated with Krishna Bhakti. Hmm. It's different.


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[Assistant] His, my mistake and his so-called mistake, these are different categories of mistake.


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[Assistant] Prabhupada is well known for driving along Star Road Drive in Boston.


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[Assistant] Okay, go loco, coca cola, go loco, coca cola. Okay, now, if I did that,


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[Assistant] Transmission of something very whole, very mystical. Now, it is for those of us who understand that we have to translate that meaning and that power.


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[Assistant] As Prabhupada's so-called mistakes.


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[Assistant] When he makes a mistake, he is mistaking one part of Krishna for another part of Krishna. When I make a mistake


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[Assistant] I am taking one part of the material world for another part of the material world. There's a big difference. Let me put it this way. When a three year old makes a mistake,


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[Assistant] And when his father loses the car keys.


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[Assistant] He's losing them in a different way than the, than the, than the toddler is.


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[Assistant] The toddler's playing with the card keys and has no idea what he's playing with.


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[Assistant] The toddler and everything else. He has so much more. His Kshetra is far more, far greater.


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[Assistant] Far more a level of responsibility than the toddler's little narrow world.


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[Assistant] Prabhupada's vision was a world vision, was a transcendental vision. When Prabhupada makes a mistake, and I don't mind saying he made mistakes,


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[Assistant] I'll tell you a mistake that Prabhupada made. Prabhupada made the mistake


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[Assistant] of trusting his disciples to take care of children in the Gurukul.


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[Assistant] Disasters happened. Let's not, let's not try to throw that under the rug. Disasters happened. Uhm, uh, uh, uhm.


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[Assistant] It was either too much of a responsibility, which is the, which is understandable at times, of course. And at the worst, um, sick people, people who have, I have a sickness of pedophilia were able to take advantage. Now, Prabhupada, you know, from his transcendent viewpoint,


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[Assistant] At some point, you know, he had to make a decision. Do I, do I move the, the, the, um, growth of the movement in this direction or do I not? Can I trust my disciples? Are they mature enough or are they not? He made a decision to trust them.


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[Assistant] And whatever transcendent, you know, vision Prabhupada had, we were not able to rise to it. In fact, let me ask you, what transcendent, what, what, what


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[Assistant] How, how have we ever been able to rise to any aspect of Prabhupada's transcendent vision? I don't know that any, anyone has reached it fully.


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[Assistant] Self-destructive to the very movement that Prabhupada wanted to construct, not destruct.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, custodians, proper custodians of Prabhupada's words. We have not been in my unhumble opinion.


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[Assistant] The thing that we need to do is to create Basha.


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[Assistant] And continue the Vashya tradition that we've always been.


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[Assistant] Instead, we're writing memoirs. Wonderful! I'm not saying we shouldn't write memoirs.


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[Assistant] Biographical things about Prabhupada. Wonderful, wonderful works have been done.


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[Assistant] The only oversight, the major oversight that we have been, you know, having is the non-continuation of the Vashya tradition.


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[Assistant] Vishwanatha Chakravarti commented on, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, uh, uh, Baladev's writings, and then, uh, Baladev commented on, on Rupa's, or Jeeva's writing, and Jeeva commented on Sanatana and Rupa's. I mean, there's a Basha tradition here. Yeah? Uh.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, there's commentary on Sridhar Swamy. You know, there's a lineage here.


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[Assistant] Yes. And, and each, you know, Vishwanatha never commented on, on, on Hitler because Hitler wasn't around then.


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[Assistant] So those are peripheral, those are peripheral teachings, right?


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[Assistant] Can be applied, and that's fine. But sometimes the peripheral teachings are, uh, Deśakalapātra, sensitive.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, place, time, and, and circumstance sensitive. Hmm.


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[Assistant] And they need to be modified. They need to be, uhm, illuminated, corrected, or, uh, you know, understood, uh, whatever.


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[Assistant] But they're not the essential teachings. The essential teachings never change.


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[Assistant] But the peripheral teachings can change and modify and, and, uh, be, uh, how would you say?


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[Assistant] You know, creatively exploring the possibilities of commentary.


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[Assistant] This is, this is your talent, uh, Chaitanya Charanji.


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, shall we say, well-articulated,


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[Assistant] And summarized, uh, you do a very good job of that, I have to say.


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[Assistant] Thank you, happy to be of service. Most people can't do that. Uhm, so that's really quite, I enjoy that very much in our meetings.


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[Assistant] Okay. Prabhupada gave us the sort of processes, the various processes of devotional service in sort of absolute terms, in very finite terms. But like Krishna with Arjuna also, he was very personal and understanding and in some sense customized the teaching.


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[Assistant] So we see this with Prabhupada. Prabhupada gave us the books and then he wrote thousands upon thousands of letters. I don't even know how many letters he wrote.


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[Assistant] He wrote more letters than I'll ever write in my lifetime. And in those letters, he customized very sensitively and lovingly the process of Krishna Bhakti. So each person could take it up.


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[Assistant] Yes, uhm, Prabhupada first of all told us to preach according to our realizations. If you are simply repeating Prabhupada like some kind of parrot,


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[Assistant] Uhm, then, uh, and not the Shuka parrot that we, that we, Shuka sweetens the teachings.


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[Assistant] But the mindlessness of a parrot that can imitate extremely well


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[Assistant] Uhm, we're not necessarily preaching according to our realization.


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[Assistant] Sometimes to repeat what Prabhupada says, of course, is part of our realization. Our realization is to repeat what the spiritual master has said. But the idea is to repeat, not in an imitative way, but in a following way. Not anukara, but anusara. To


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[Assistant] Imitating Prabhupada and simply by quoting Prabhupada. That's not bad, but that's Kanisha.


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[Assistant] When we've absorbed the teachings through experience and through repeated practice and reading,


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[Assistant] And we're able to put it in our own language in a way that powerfully can be received by others, then that is Madhyama type of preaching. An uttama can truly absorb what that person needs to hear. Can be totally tuned in and sensitive to the thoughts and feelings of another person and administer


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[Assistant] Chaitanya Charanji, as long as I'm suffering from a hunker.


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[Assistant] Self centeredness. Centered on myself.


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[Assistant] Then I'm going to be overly concerned about being, you know, in my, according to my mind's understanding, loyal to Prabhupada. Because that, so this,


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[Assistant] Forget about the other person to whom I'm speaking. First and foremost is my need to be loyal to Prabhupada. Well that's self-centered, isn't it?


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[Assistant] Whereas the counteraction of Ahamkara, and this is my neologism, okay, is Anyakara, or being centered upon others.


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[Assistant] To actually be full and complete enough in yourself.


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[Assistant] Yeah, to, to, to Prabhupada's words, that's right. It's, it's the clinging to Prabhupada's words because that feels safe. And I'm concerned about myself here. You see?


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[Assistant] I want to make sure, and you know what? At a certain level, that's okay. A beginner naturally is that way. Just like a child clings to his parent's


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[Assistant] You know, jacket. They hold on to the, you know, they're little. They hold on, they're clingy.


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[Assistant] When there's not growth, then there's a stunting of, of, of development. There's a retardation of development. And if we're not developing, we're staying at one place and we've been just


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[Assistant] Oh God, okay. You see? See, there we go again. You see? Prabhupada will use the shock treatment, right? A little shock treatment there. Um, Prabhupada, and yet within the shock treatment, there's a lesson, you know, there's something to be learned. But if you take that statement in its literal fashion, the devotees of the Hare Krishna movement are seeking an ocean of hallucinogenic bliss.


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[Assistant] Why, you know, why don't we seek to make Prabhupada proud? In other words, when the child imitates the parents,


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[Assistant] Parent can be, you know, proud and be humored. Oh, look, look how nice they're imitating. You know, okay. Uhm, but,


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[Assistant] Prabhupada is like a father in the sense that he wants to see his disciples evolve and grow and think of ingenious ways to present Krishna Bhakti.


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[Assistant] Not that he established the be-all and end-all of all presentations.


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[Assistant] Something similar that you are challenged by with those provocative words.


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[Assistant] So you translated, uh, your own Bhagavad Gita with the world famous publisher, uh, Garuda. So what, why did you do that? You can do better than Prabhupada? You see?


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[Assistant] Look, my, my, my father, uh, went to Duke University, which is considered one of the best universities in the country, and I went to Harvard. He was proud. He didn't say, uhm, Graham, I went to Duke. You have no right to go to Harvard.


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[Assistant] An example of this clearly is when, when Prabhupada created the Bhaktivedanta Institute.


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[Assistant] You know, was, I think, a chemist, I think. Yeah. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, chemist. And then, and then, uhm, uh, I think Madhava was a, uh, maybe he was a chemist also. Sadaputta was a mathematician. So,


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[Assistant] Is it, was it bad that Sadat put to new more mathematics than Prabhupada? I mean, was that a bad thing?


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[Assistant] No, he engaged these forms of expertise.


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[Assistant] And said, now you take this, life comes from life. Now you take your disciplines and show this.


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[Assistant] Take levels of expertise. Look, Prabhupada says on page 268,


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[Assistant] On page 268 Prabhupada repeats no fewer than three times, whatever the discipline, archaeology, psychology,


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, uh, uh, you know, English literature, history, whatever the discipline, it is Hare Kirtan when it is offered to Krishna. When something in your discipline reveals the nature of divinity, this is Hare Kirtan.


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[Assistant] No, we all develop different expertises. There's nothing wrong in that. Make Prabhupada proud.


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[Assistant] Yes. Precisely. Beautiful. Just like I, you know, invented this term Anyakara.


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[Assistant] So people say, Geruda, who are you? I mean, this is like hubris.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I mean, but getting to your point, speaking to your point about grammar, Prabhupada says not according to the grammatical rules and other rhetorical rules, but


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[Assistant] I mean to say thoughts and the effects of such revolutionary literature is not required. Not the grammatical.


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[Assistant] The so-called rascals, they are concerned with grammatical, but those who are actually worker, because worker, they are concerned with the thoughts.


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[Assistant] If it is spoken by realized soul, that is important.


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[Assistant] Beautiful. Those are direct words from Prabhupada. I'm not...


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[Assistant] Uh, summarizing or paraphrasing. I'm reading from a letter that he wrote. I'm sorry, a dialogue, a room conversation.


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[Assistant] Or what about, you know, divine and demoniac natures?


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[Assistant] Demoniac. If I see this someone, you know, like a colleague who's, you know, smoking a cigarette, I said, you've got a demoniac habit.


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[Assistant] And a surah then would be translated for me.


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[Assistant] With a negative. You translate a negative in Sanskrit with a negative in English. Ungodly.


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[Assistant] Demoniac is when I torture you with a cigarette. You know, demoniac is when I, you know, you know, physically abuse and, you know, kill you. That's demoniac.


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[Assistant] But to say that it's a demoniac, uh, uh, uh, nature, uh, that most people have. So I translated that as ungodly. These are ungodly habits. Okay? And we can take up godly habits. Yeah.


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[Assistant] So you see, language can be distracting. Our job is to translate probopods English.


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[Assistant] As Prabhupada translated the Sanskrit, we need to translate his English, we need to create official Bhashya. As they put out the Bhagwatams, they should put out the commentarial tradition.


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[Assistant] The new commentary. True. This is the next frontier, Chaitanya Charm. This is, no one's doing it.


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[Assistant] And this is what needs to be done and now it's hitting us back in the face. Oh, Prabhupada appears to be a racist. Prabhupada appears to be a misogynist. Prabhupada appears to be a conspiracist. Prabhupada appears for this and that and the other and the other.


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[Assistant] Prabhupada wants us all to, to seek an ocean of hallucinogens. I mean, it goes, it could be going on and on, you know, it's crazy. The craziness will go on until ISKCON has the vision to pursue a strict Vasha project.


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[Assistant] And that's why I like the idea of a bashipedia. Someone said, well, who will be the authority to write that? It could be a collective effort, a committee, a group of people.


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[Assistant] So, maybe you would add a paragraph. And then maybe, Ravindra Saroop would write a paragraph. And then maybe, uhm,


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[Assistant] You know, uh, uh, you know, who knows, uh, an ultima might write a paragraph. I mean.


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[Assistant] And then once you get these paragraphs all, you know, uhm, sort of compiled, then a committee goes through them. Gets rid of this part, adds this part, and so on.


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[Assistant] It's like the Constitution of the United States. To not have Basha, it's the same as saying that there should be no amendments to the Constitution.


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[Assistant] And remember, the Constitution has essential teachings, supportive teachings, and peripheral teachings. And within peripheral teachings, sometimes there's some wild perspectives in there.


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[Assistant] Yes. Yes. It's so needed. It's the next frontier.


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[Assistant] Part of the, my critique of, of the editing that's gone on in BBT is that they're trying to squeeze new language that Prabhupada never spoke or that they claim that Prabhupada spoke.


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[Assistant] Into the, uh, into the, into the books. You can't change an author's work.


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[Assistant] Maybe some proofreading, uh, changes and, you know, the mistakes will be taken out, but, but, you see, this is a symptom of the problem. The symptom of the problem with the question of editing,


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[Assistant] Is that we don't go in and we change Prabhupada's books, rather we comment on Prabhupada's books. You never change an author's words. As so-called faulty or


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[Assistant] Mistaken or whatever the discourse may be, you don't change what an author wrote.


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[Assistant] His own sort of modern English sort of way of stating what Shakespeare originally said on the recto page, or the page on the right.


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[Assistant] And on the left, you have a rewording of the sonnet. Okay. Very good. You, but, but imagine the criminality on a literary level. If I go in and start changing Shakespeare's wording in the original and claiming that this is better, and this is really what Shakespeare would, would want.


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[Assistant] And then I put it out as a second edition of the sonnets. That's what's been done with Prabhupada Gita.


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[Assistant] Uh, no fear Prabhupada. Bring out what Prabhupada is saying in a way that's very beautiful and powerful. That will be a great service to Prabhupada, in my unhumble opinion.


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[Assistant] And this is terrible. Some, I've heard devotees, uhm, uhm,


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[Assistant] Put forward the importance of varnasrama dharma as more important than bhakti itself.


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[Assistant] And see the damage done by taking something peripheral or something supportive as if it were essential.


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[Assistant] Only these kinds of people can do these kinds of service.


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[Assistant] That's not bhakti. You cannot limit the absolute unlimited capacity of bhakti in persons.


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[Assistant] Uh, that, uh, you know, deity worship may not be their proclivity.


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[Assistant] You see, distributing Prabhupada's books, this is my love. Uhm, uh, or someone might say the opposite. Uhm, I remember in the old days when there was so much push for book distribution, uh, back in the old days, and it was very exciting.


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[Assistant] But there were some people that were clearly not, not suitable for that. Uhm, did I ever tell you the, uh, did I ever tell you about the time that Sadaputta and I


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[Assistant] Heavy, you know, very heavy Bhagavad Gita, right? About a thousand pages. So Siddhartha Putta and I go out.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we hit a shopping center and


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[Assistant] I parked the car, and I said, Sadapputa, you go to that end, and I'll go over to this end. I'll take one box, and you take another box. And we stayed there all day long. And then at five o'clock, or six o'clock in the afternoon,


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[Assistant] To a person with whom we had a three hour discussion.


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[Assistant] Just fired up and just we loved it. We got back.


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[Assistant] And the Sankirtan devotee asked us how many books did we do? We very proudly said among the two of us we did four Bhagavad Gitas and that these four people


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[Assistant] We're gonna go home and treasure the Bhagavad Gita. We knew it in our bones.


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[Assistant] Because quantity was more important than quality. And Sadaputta and I, of course, are both teachers. And we're intellectuals.


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[Assistant] So when we distribute a book, now I still distribute Bhagavad Gita's now by the hundreds every year to my students.


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[Assistant] And I still make them read it, and I make them examine it, and I make them understand it.


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[Assistant] So I'm distributing, you know, Prabhu Bhatsgita a whole lot better than I did back in 1974.


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[Assistant] They, they took us off the book distribution because that wasn't our proclivity to go out to shopping centers and distribute books. See, it's called book distribution, not book education. We mistook the one for the other.


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[Assistant] So, so we were not expert at distribution, but we were good at education.


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[Assistant] Uh, so Mahaprabhu Gurunga himself said, I am not a sannyasi, I am not a Brahmin, I am not a grasta, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Went through eight things he's not, right? Four ashrams, four varnas, okay. And yet, he was strict sannyasi. Because that supported the essential teachings of bhakti. The essential practices of bhakti. When your ashram


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[Assistant] Then this is topsy-turvy and then the whole process is ruined.


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[Assistant] When you say that a woman cannot do this because she's a woman, in Bhakti, mm-mm, that does not work. You are undercutting the absolute power of Bhakti. And now you're in a different tradition.


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[Assistant] Is often by other Hindu traditions considered higher than bhakti.


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[Assistant] The essential teachings and principles of Krishna Bhakti are pretty rigid. They're pretty absolute.


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[Assistant] I think that at the supportive level, yes, there can be variation. Prabhu, I mean, we saw that with Mahaprabhu. He said he wasn't a sannyasi.


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[Assistant] Well he wasn't, he was a sannyasi while he said he wasn't a sannyasi.


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[Assistant] Thank goodness Prabhupada wasn't so rigid about the supportive.


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[Assistant] Because if he, if he was, I wouldn't be sitting here as a Bhakta. Hmm. You have to be born in India.


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[Assistant] Tamal Krishna went back to school, which is considered very, I mean, a lot of devotees told him he shouldn't do it because he was a venerable sannyasi, but he transformed scholars' minds by doing that.


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[Assistant] And for Oxford University Press, now the point is this, what, imagine if he didn't go back because everyone was pressuring him not to go back. Then we would have lost all of that great impact.


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[Assistant] Now, it's not that I would go to a sannyasi and say, you know, you should go back to school or you should be an academic or you should, no. Uhm, again,


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[Assistant] Everyone's relationship with the absolute teachings of Krishna-Bhakti needs to be respected.


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[Assistant] You know, to say that, for example, women cannot be gurus, well, they are gurus. They're teaching all the time in temples.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, Shiksha is far more important than Diksha. Suddenly, they're loading up this Diksha


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[Assistant] There's some wonderful female preachers. Now there are plenty of females that don't want to be upfront and preaching so prominently. That's fine too.


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[Assistant] You should be preaching in the university. Why are we telling people what to do?


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[Assistant] And there's, uhm, uh, evolving in Seva? Sure. But to limit them, oh, you can't do this. See, you come from a family of business people.


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[Assistant] No, that has, no, it's nothing, guna karma vibhagish raha, right? In the, in the Gita, right? Chaturvarna maya shishtam guna karma vibhagish raha.


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[Assistant] Now for my wife, who's extremely intelligent and a brilliant writer,


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[Assistant] You know, she prefers not to be so upfront. But she is a teacher. And she put together the first volume in the history of Vaishnavism


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[Assistant] Of women's, you know, of Vaishnava poetry. And essays.


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[Assistant] It's the first time in history that women have gotten a voice.


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[Assistant] Right? And I mean, and I wrote the forward for it where I said, this is historical. This has never been done before. Does that mean she shouldn't have done it?


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[Assistant] And why are women speaking up here with their devotional voices? They should just be in the background.


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[Assistant] She's on our calendar for decades. No, everyone's afraid to talk about her. I'm not. I wrote an encyclopedia article about her. Gangamata Goswamani. Goswamani? That's heretical.


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[Assistant] It's heretical, Tamal Krishna Goswami went back to school as an undergraduate before he became a graduate. Heretic, heresy, another heresy.


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[Assistant] When I went back to school back in 1975 or 675.


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[Assistant] So everyone looked at me askance. Garuda!


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[Assistant] You're going back into the slaughterhouse. How could you? Now people are going back to the slaughterhouse all the time.


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[Assistant] Although I have to tell you something, for me, it's a non-issue when you're looking at the absolute teachings of Bhakti. It's a non-issue. It's, it's been made an issue when there is no issue.


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[Assistant] When we go to Shastra, we're reading it either as Kanisha, Madhyama, or Uttama.


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[Assistant] The guru knows how to guide one's understanding and appreciation and reading at different stages. At one stage, it will say something,


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[Assistant] It'll say x. At another stage, it'll say y. At another stage, it will say z. There is no, you know, formulaic, uh, uh, resolution to this. It's all about the individual. It really is. What their capacity is.


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[Assistant] What their level of appreciation would be.


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[Assistant] Uh, the, the structure of symbolism, the structure of the symbol, as opposed to allegory, and as opposed to literal, literalism. And, and, I mean, these things, and there are me monks or hermeneutics, which by the way, most devotees don't know.


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[Assistant] Uhm, in terms of the, uh, Jaimini Sutra and the, uh, uh, and the, uh, the, the, the commentaries to that by Prabhakara Bhatta and, uh, or Kumara Labatta and Prabhakara. And these, all of these things, I've trained it by the way. And in ancient, uh, Mimamsa Hermeneutics. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and uh, Vedanta, in the way they're applied to Vedanta Sutra of Bhashya. So,


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[Assistant] You know, and then I'm trained in, in Western hermeneutics as well.


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[Assistant] I'm trained, I've had the, in the last century, I had the two most


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[Assistant] Famous scholars, world famous scholars in the field of philosophical hermeneutics as professors.


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[Assistant] So I've done the Western hermeneutics and I've done the Indian hermeneutics. And this is what I draw from. And my conclusion is in the simplest of terms, you've got to work with the individual who is negotiating a level of understanding that


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[Assistant] Draws from the body of knowledge and yet absorbs that.


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[Assistant] But is allowed to yet still expand one's horizon, one's, or we call it kshetra.


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[Assistant] In the 13th and 14 chapters of the Gita, right? Our sphere of awareness is the way I translate Kshetra.


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[Assistant] That's what we have to be sensitive to. Or not.


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[Assistant] I can be insane. I can be, my sphere of awareness can be so narrow and so cloistered that I can't leave it.


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[Assistant] I'm trapped within my own sphere of awareness and my own conditionings, and then this is a hunkar.


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[Assistant] But when I can actually be so full of knowledge, I can be sensitive.


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[Assistant] To the thoughts and feelings of another person, Anyakara, and ultimately Paramanyakara, the Supreme Other.


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[Assistant] Uh, surprise you a little bit, Chaitanya Charan, in our talks. Uhm, uh, so uh, anyway, I hope this material


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[Assistant] Was something worthy of reflecting on and thinking about, yeaah.


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[Assistant] And the guru, the guide, negotiates between the whole body of knowledge as he or she is able to grasp it


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[Assistant] Negotiates that body of knowledge in transmitting it to the student.


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[Assistant] And this is most powerfully done as a guru


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[Assistant] Is him or herself going deeply within that awareness?


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[Assistant] I do this all the time, of course, within the university, as a professor, you know. They come in, so they take my class on Eastern religions.


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[Assistant] So I've grasped eastern religions, of course every year more and more.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is diabolical. It is totally diabolical. I get them and I see them light up with amazement at what's being taught.


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[Assistant] I like to surpass their original intentions and raise them up in my diabolical fashion.


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[Assistant] To an inspired relationship with the body of knowledge. That's what we have to do as teachers.


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[Assistant] That's why so many people appreciate your monks broadcast. Because you do this with so many people.


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[Assistant] But unfortunately, it's not referenceable to, uhm, you know, the media that say, look at Prabhupada, look at the teacher of the Krishna Bhakti movement, uhm, their stance is very misogynistic, they're this way, they're that way, their leader said this, their leader said this about Africans, uhm, their leader said this about Hitler. I mean, you know, we have to have a, you know, a basha, there's just no other way around it.


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[Assistant] What are we gonna do? Go in there and anesthetize, you know, the books, sanitize the books? You can't do that.


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[Assistant] Certainly the Christian tradition has a huge volumes, like 12 volumes called the Interpreter's Bible.


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[Assistant] That's the name itself, huh? Yes, Interpreter's Bible.


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[Assistant] Now of course, you know, hermeneutics essentially can mean the process of interpretation.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so, you know, uh, and then Mimangsa.


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[Assistant] It means that, too. I mean, mi manxa means how the ways that we can think about something. Mi manxa.


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[Assistant] Ways that we can think about something. It comes from mana. Mi manxa. Okay, it's a reduplicative prefix, right? Mi manxa means the ways that we think about something, the ways that we can think about something, the levels at which we can think about something. This is hermeneutics.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's right, it is. And again, it's according to what's needed, and Prabhupada's books,


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[Assistant] Are in some sense a kind of secondary


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[Assistant] They're like, they've become kind of a, they've taken the status of a, of a kind of uhm, shruti, a second level shruti for us. Hmm.


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[Assistant] You know, that's the Basha. So Shruti means revelational, and Smriti means realisational.


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[Assistant] But then the Bhagavata Purana technically is Smriti, but we treat it as


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[Assistant] You really have to look at things, relatively speaking, in an absolute way.


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[Assistant] Well, we have to, we have to acknowledge the absolute value of bhakti and the way it can take


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[Assistant] Form in relative areas.


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[Assistant] And still, and yet the absoluteness of bhakti will still be present in those relative areas.


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[Assistant] Again, it's about the saturation of bhakti. And this is where we began today's talk, when I was talking about Prabhupada's so-called mistakes.


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[Assistant] They're not my kind of mistakes. When Prabhupada...


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[Assistant] He made a mistake. It's different than when I do it.


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[Assistant] He is the direct ambassador of Krishna bhakti and everything that comes, that was uttered from his mouth and written by his hand. This is saturation. And if I said the identical thing,


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[Assistant] This is why it's not necessarily good to simply repeat what Prabhupada says, but to digest it.


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[Assistant] And to, to, to then put it in words that do make sense for you, because you can't get away with what Prabhupada did.


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[Assistant] You know, the, and you know what? I mean, if I went to a meal, a restaurant, and you asked me how was the food at the restaurant, I said it was good. And then, uh,


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[Assistant] You said, well, but Garuda, didn't you like vomit it, didn't you vomit it all up after the meal? I'm sorry for the gross, uh, uh, analogy here, but, and I said, well, yeah, but it tasted good at the time. We're not here to simply regurgitate. We're here to digest, turn it into energy, and then put out the actions.


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[Assistant] Two guests at Sunday feast lectures and it just was like vomiting on them.


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[Assistant] A Kanisha approach to people. A Madhyama approach? Yes, I do expect it.


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[Assistant] It's rich stuff. This is very important stuff to consider, Chaitanya Charanji.


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[Assistant] So I said to a devotee, a very advanced Vaishnavi, I consider her a sister of mine. She's very prominent in the movement. I said all of Prabhupada's words can't be seen as, as merely equal. She said, I consider them all equal. They're said by Prabhupada, they're all equal. I said, so you're taking the phrase Krishna Bhakti Prema


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[Assistant] To be equal to that of a worm in stool.


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[Assistant] Now, what I can say is that on one level, because it came from Prabhupada, it's all transcendental. But you can't just leave it there. See, that's abeda. That's abeda. Beta comes along and says, but they're all


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[Assistant] They're distinguishable statements within that abeda.


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[Assistant] Everything that Krishna utters in the Bhagavad Gita is transcendental.


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[Assistant] But there's some things in the, in the Gita, there's some things that Krishna puts forward so passionately that they are more important.


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[Assistant] Bhakti is more important than jnana. Jnana is more important than karma.


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[Assistant] And yet they're all absolute at the same time. Don't neglect the beta


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[Assistant] To promote abeda. And don't promote abeda to the neglect of beta. Both have to be taken together.


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[Assistant] At the same time. So yes, Krishna, you know, uh, uh, Wyrm and Stool and Krishnamurti and Prema. They're, they're, they're both are saturated with


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[Assistant] Krishna Bhakti and Prabhupada's teachings. But the fact is, a worm and stool might be good in supportive teaching or a peripheral way of expressing some level of, you know, degradation or humility or whatever, depending on how it's used, right? But the fact is, dwelling on Krishna Prema, I'd much rather dwell on that than a worm and stool, honestly.


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[Assistant] Otherwise, we are now approaching, we have an adwaiten approach to philosophy and to Prabhupada's words. And that is simply blind.


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[Assistant] Every, my, my, my father, my mother can do no wrong.


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[Assistant] So there's, there's a sense of appreciating your parents in an absolute way. There's a sense in which you can appreciate your parents in a relative way. Their strengths, their weaknesses.


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[Assistant] Or, you know, to get away from that analog, you know, Radhanath Swami's teaching and Garuda's teaching are exactly the same because they're both teaching about Krishna Bhakti.


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[Assistant] He's also preaching to a much wider audience. I'm a little more...


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[Assistant] Uh, selective, uh, little bit more, uh, and, and I'm trained in different areas.


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[Assistant] You know, he's, he's, uhm, uh, extremely talented, and, uh, we happen to be friends, but that doesn't mean we're the same!


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[Assistant] You know why he says it's one? Because it looks so different most of the time. That's why. That's why he has to say it is one. Right. The assertion of oneness.


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[Assistant] Necessitates the acknowledgement of difference and distinction.


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[Assistant] The Bhakti Sutra says it's one on the basis of one thing.


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[Assistant] The grace of divinity comes through the guru. How it comes through, that is different, distinctive. That it comes through is one.


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[Assistant] That too often happens is they assume the oneness in Prabhupada's teachings, that everything that he said was the same.


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[Assistant] No. I will see this buddy fight to the end.


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[Assistant] Well, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. You know, we had a few opportunities for sure.


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[Assistant] You know, not to get into all of them, but you saw them. You know, we had a few opportunities, you know, on miss throw.


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[Assistant] You know, we had one in the back of the end zone. We almost had tough. That's a tough play. Uh, we had another one where.


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[Assistant] I was expecting him to look, you know, just timing of things.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's so much that we have to clean up, but it feels so good to clean it up when you win. You know, like I said outside.


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[Assistant] Like we're 2-0, and I don't think that we've played at the level that we're all expecting to play at yet, but we're gonna keep striving, we're gonna keep working, uhm, and make those corrections, but it feels good to do it with a win for sure.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's my fault. Um, like it's, it's my fault. I'll get it fixed. I'll get it corrected. I've, I've had moments where it's a little tougher of a road and I've had moments where we get it back together and we're clicking, you know, um, we're, we're, this is our second game together. Um, you know, and that's,


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[Assistant] I'm glad we win cause I can say that, you know, cause it is our second game together and we still won the game, right? And we're going to continue to get better. We're going to continue to find that timing. I learned things about my receivers and everybody today that, okay, I got it. He sees it that way. Now I, okay. And I was pissed and you know, I moved on and.


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[Assistant] Thankfully our defense kept us in it. So when we came back in the second half and we started clicking, we started hitting big plays, um, you know, we could pull away and try and win the thing.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's a very big part of the reason, you know, uhm, any team that I talk to.


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[Assistant] was a team with a defense, you know, and you know, when I, I played these guys, you know, I've I knew da, you know, I, I know what it's like and how difficult it is. And, uh,


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[Assistant] I didn't have a day like today, didn't play my best in the first half, come back, play good in the second half and win a game. Like I didn't have to be perfect for four quarters and we won like that. That is awesome. Uhm, I don't like that still, you know, we won, but it's still sick. I should have played better. I can help the offense more. I can do.


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[Assistant] You know, you sit back and you're already analyzing it, right? But to have that defense to hold us, keep us in there until we got clicking in the second half, I mean, it helped us, it helped us win the football game.


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[Assistant] I saw him coming down and I saw Chris going behind him. And when I saw him step down, I didn't even, it was a terrible read. You know, he, I knew he didn't have anything affecting him. I should have known he was going to get back there. Saw Chris, I threw it. As soon as I threw it, I was like, you idiot. You know, like it was terrible. It was my fault all the way.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I think in the first half I was just too quick, I was too quick. In the second half I was like, I just gotta slow it down. I told Pete and I told RC, told Diaz, I got you, trust me. I'm gonna, much better in the second half, we're gonna win this game.


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[Assistant] You know, I want them to feel that confidence from me too. Like, hey, I, I know what I'm doing. It was not my best half of football at all. Uh, but we're, we still went into halftime with the lead, which is great. You know, like that is a great feeling as a quarterback that, you know, you can go out there and play better and hopefully go finish thing, get a win.


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[Assistant] Uh, Pete, Pete does a great job and our coaching staff does a great job of making sure like we're prepared just in case stuff happens. And uh, you know, they, they had a plan that Jason would just in case something happened and Jason went in there and


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[Assistant] Unbelievable what he's able to do. He went one for one. He ran a route. It's like, it's really unbelievable. He's, he's an amazing football player and it's a luxury to have someone that can do all those things for us.


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[Assistant] In the first half, like I, there was, like I said, I was so quick on some things and you know, there was some things I could have done better to help them get the ball more in their hands and, and things like that. And in the second half, it was really nice. No one would know it the naked eye, but like we corrected those things. I slowed down, got him the ball a little bit more. Um, and.


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[Assistant] I've always had trust in them, you know, just cause the first half didn't go, that's my fault, you know, um, but those guys have been making plays. You guys have seen it all camp, you know, in the off season.


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[Assistant] You know, I have my brothers and my friends sending me tweets because they don't, I was like, no, they're deep ball to Chris Olavi. You know, like you guys tweeting them out. And so they, they, they've been doing it. And so my trust in them is at an all time high, especially when they're doing it against our defense. Right. Um, you know, I think that's.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah, he's, his mentality is unbelievable. That's, I think I've said that to you guys, like love the talent. You guys see the talent. Um, again, this is all I know is this Chris, you know, um, and his mentality is he just wants to be better and just like we all do. And so we have all the right mindsets and seeing that in him has been a really beautiful thing.


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[Assistant] You know, he's going to be a great player. I love watching him. My kids loved watching him last year when he's at Alabama, you know, heard him run around the house. Bryce Young throws the ball, you know, they just love football. So they pretend to be everybody. And I'm okay with that because Bryce is a good guy. But now that we're rivals, I may have to tell him to chill out a little bit.


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[Assistant] Everyone matters. We'll see at the end of this thing. We'll see. They all matter. And so, um, especially a division opponent, NFC opponent, you know, getting that win, um, is huge, um, you know, for us. And that's why we play the game is to win. So however this thing looks at the end, hopefully it'll be cleaner. Hopefully it'll be better on my part and on our part. Um, but we're all in here just to win and hopefully we can continue to do that.


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[Assistant] I mean, I wasn't Mike, so unless he was or somebody will hit those and then that one just presented itself.


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[Assistant] You know, in that moment and again, so fast, man, I, I ripped that thing and he just tracked it down like it was nothing, you know, and it's unbelievable, unbelievable football player. Cause y'all saw last week, just the speed, right? The go route today, he runs the double move. I've been saying he can run the routes, you know, man, he's a good receiver, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, that, that threat to run by, especially a fast corner, one of the fastest corners in our league. It's really good player that says a lot about Rashid and, uh, you know, having that weapon is awesome for our offense and for me.


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[Assistant] Well any quarterback that stepped out there this week is the hardest thing to do in all sports, you know.


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[Assistant] Except Deon said hitting the baseball, which I might agree with.


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[Assistant] You know, playing quarterback, you know, is, is difficult. And so especially at a young age, you know, he's, I'm sure he learned a lot of things today. Uh, but hopefully he learned a lot from me. Uh, you know, don't throw that ball, you know, when the safety is there, you know, um, but you know, I, I think, I just think the world of him and.


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[Assistant] You know, I think he's got a good head on his shoulders and he's going to work hard and he's got great people around him in this organization.


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[Assistant] You know, from, from the owner, the general manager, the coaching staff that's in that room with him on both sides of the ball.


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[Assistant] And as long as we continue to preach that and have that mindset, I think we'll continue to get better at it. But there are some things that are better, obviously things we need to clean up in certain big moments. But when we needed them, they were there for us. So they did a great job.


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[Assistant] Stop that noise! Is there anyone here who does not belong?


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[Assistant] You're annoying, His Lordship. He desires your entertainers, not your oratory.


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[Assistant] No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Oh my god, it felt good to say that. We are back in business after two long months without a podcast. To the people out there, they might not even know.


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[Assistant] What happened? Cause if you, if you only watch the vlogs and stuff, you would have no, if you don't watch the vlogs, you would have no clue. What the fuck?


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[Assistant] Basically kids, what happened is that we glowed the fuck up and we got a new store over here on Melrose. 7669 Melrose, it's the on some shit store on Melrose.


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[Assistant] And we got a whole new podcast studio set up, and I just want to, before we really even get in, before I even introduce the people that are with me right now, I have a couple of very established cohorts with me. I need to shout out Warren Sokol, who is the guy who basically we got in touch with. He's a BMX guy and he helped us build this entire studio.


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[Assistant] Took the reins and just completely, uh, guided me along the way. And I know you're probably thinking, hey, Adam,


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[Assistant] This podcast sounds way better now. Are you in a professional studio? No, you stupid fucking asshole. I'm in the back of my goddamn BMX shop, but it sounds great because Warren, who runs unitedmastering.com, it's spelled just exactly the way it sounds, unitedmastering.com. He is your guy. If you want to


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[Assistant] Get, you know, he mostly focuses on the music side of things, if you want to record, if you're a rapper.


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[Assistant] He cut the padding himself, he did it all. And that's the other thing too, is that if you're a person out there who wants to start a podcast,


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[Assistant] If you want to, you know, if you have any kind of recording project, if you want to build a studio in your closet, anything like that, I'm not exactly sure if you would want to do that, but feel free to get in touch. His, his at on Instagram is Warren Sokol, W-A-R-R-E-N-S-O-K-O-L.


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[Assistant] And he's a great guy and has become quite a fan, a friend of the podcast here by helping us out so much. So I just have to shout out Warren and unitedmastering.com.


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[Assistant] By the way, I feel like a real DJ, because this new mic sounds so much better. It's tight. Anyway, to my left I have my, uh, the usual suspect, the usual co-host, Robesman. Hello. And to my right, I have Danny Wolfe, who is a producer, whose accolades know no boundaries. He's a very established guy, and we're gonna be chatting him up today. Danny.


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[Assistant] Congratulations, first off. I'm not gonna even beat around the bush. This is, this is crazy. You're the first guy back from our extremely long two month hiatus.


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[Assistant] I feel like you're important too because I chose you for this. I don't know why exactly. It just felt right. The energy was in the air. I was like, you know what? We gotta talk to the guy behind such hits as, let's just, let's just go there. Let's, if, if you meet a girl in a bar and she said, and you, you wanna wow her, she says, okay, well what did you produce? What are the ones that come to mind that you have to say?


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[Assistant] That's so that's the biggest one you think in terms of views or plays or something?


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[Assistant] Okay, oh, okay, so the Makonnen, like, shoutouts and being involved with that from the beginning, that was a big part of it. That's a big, a big accolade as well. Yeah, that's, that's how I've been describing you, actually, is people are like, who's that? I'm like, Ugly God Water and a lot of the early Makonnen stuff in particular, and more recently, Six Dogs, which to me might be, that might be what gets you a Grammy, I'm gonna be totally honest with you.


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[Assistant] So where do you live and where do six dogs live? Are we supposed to make him part of your narrative of like who you are as a person? Six dogs is a big part of it?


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[Assistant] How old are you? I'm 20. Okay. Oh my god, you're a child too. But how long have you been...


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[Assistant] I guess we gotta get this out of the way. So where are you from and how did you start making beats or even being interested in this hip hop shit at all?


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[Assistant] But is Mexican, it's not fun from your perspective? Uhm. Your parents wanted to escape?


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[Assistant] So what age were you when you get to Atlanta for the first time?


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[Assistant] I went to Tijuana with my girlfriend one time and I just like, they kept cars, just kept pulling up next to me and her with these dudes just hooting and hollering at her and I was just like, man, if I lived out here, I'm getting, either I'm getting killed or I'm gonna have to fucking kill somebody or something. Like motherfuckers are wild out there.


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[Assistant] Did you believe in the American dream at that time? Like, did you just have this idea that like, oh, America is the best place to be when you were a kid?


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[Assistant] When did you become interested in hip hop? Were you a rap head when you were still in Mexico?


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[Assistant] So were you kind of just like a kid using the internet to sort of like understand American culture in a way? Like that was your way in?


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[Assistant] In America, they have this fake ass dream of like, the idea of like, social mobility. Like, you're gonna go to Harvard, and then you're gonna make $200,000 a year, and you're gonna go from being poor to being upper middle class.


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[Assistant] And it's the hardest fucking thing in the world that nobody pulls off, but they have that in their head. In America, it's like shameful, the idea of like, oh, you're gonna go learn to be a carpenter and then you're gonna be a carpenter for the rest of your life. Even though like, I mean, what the fuck is wrong with that? The world needs carpenters.


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[Assistant] Okay, so then you're using the internet. You mentioned Waka Flocka. Was he like your entry point? Like you just fell in love with his shit? Cause there was a time period, that I'm guessing is a time period, you're talking about where Waka was everything. If you liked like street rap.


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[Assistant] But how long did it take for you to make the connection between like, oh, like the star of the show here isn't just Waka, it's Lex Luger making these beats.


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[Assistant] Did you have any friends that were into music? Any friends that were trying to rap? Nothing.


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[Assistant] So you never considered selling dope or anything? That's like the typical hustle that kids get into, right?


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[Assistant] I love that your mom, that's such like a fascinating peek into the like mind state of like people who are lower class. Like her sitting him down and making him make a list of potential businesses. Because I can't think of anything that might be like a more useful exercise for getting a kid into that mentality.


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[Assistant] That would be good for anybody. Sit down and write a list. Doesn't matter how much money you can make from each one, but think about


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[Assistant] Oh, no, no, I've seen it, but he makes, he has a vlogging channel about it, so he's chronicling his journey everyday. Subscribe. Yes, subscribe, exactly. I did not subscribe and therefore I'll never be able to find it, but I thought it was pretty impressive. I'm like, damn, there really is something for everybody out there.


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[Assistant] She like specifically, I remember my dad like coming into my room and hearing a Tupac lyric that had like, bitch, fuck, shit, like every word altogether and that was just Armageddon from my CD collection, like took that shit away. It took me like six months to find it in a closet somewhere.


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[Assistant] So what were the early days of you as a producer like though? Like when did you start to feel like you had some success? Also, I just realized that that light, look at that light, it's just pointing against the wall. Somehow nobody thought about this.


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[Assistant] Is that, is that the right way to do it? Okay. I thought we were gonna point it out.


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[Assistant] Well, you're talking about the difference between real life interaction versus internet interaction.


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[Assistant] When did you start to feel like you were, you were on the right path, that you were making the right moves, starting to feel a little bit of success?


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[Assistant] You got a lot of things on your resume, let's be real here. A lot of hits, a lot of artists that you, that you co-signed very, very early on in their journey, which is a very, that's something I talk about a lot, that's a very big deal. Because then you're part of that dude's story, like you can't talk about Ugly God's story without mentioning Water, without mentioning you, you know?


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[Assistant] Well, somebody like Six Dogs to me is somebody that the second I heard it, I was just like, oh fuck yeah, this is big, like this kid has a voice that just, and I think to somebody like you, you have like a fine tune in of ear that you probably thought the exact same thing. You hear it and you're like, oh yeah.


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[Assistant] Clout center of the universe. No, but okay, think about it like this, it's like, if your idea of like being a successful producer, like if you're a fucking brand new kid and it's like, oh, you wanna have beats on the Cardi album, it's like, well, newsflash, you're not gonna have beats on the Cardi album. So, your best bet is to like focus on your scene or focus on somebody locally because like,


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[Assistant] You know, like, like, uh, like, okay, Cardi's album, uh, Pierre Bourne, like, he did the fucking Young Nudie mixtape before that. And it's like, that, that was more of like a cult Atlanta. Everybody kind of knows about it there. And then somebody like Cardi, you know, like, like he got into the position that he's in now.


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[Assistant] That's how you work. You aren't a grinder, you're not doing 10 beats a day type shit.


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[Assistant] Say you sit down tonight and you make a beat that you're just like, oh my god, this is the best beat I ever made. What are you, what are you thinking with it? Like who are you calling about it? Are you gonna pitch that to like a brand new guy or are you gonna pitch that to the biggest artist you know?


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[Assistant] Okay, if you went home right now and she's gonna make you dinner and she hasn't seen you and she wants to make you the dinner that's gonna make you the happiest in the whole world, what's the dinner like?


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[Assistant] Could you go there and see her right now? No, how come? Because you wouldn't be able to come back?


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[Assistant] Oh, so that, you could fly around and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she doesn't...


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[Assistant] So this, this label or whatever, who you start working for, what was it called?


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[Assistant] Oh really? Okay, so when does the hood-rich connection come in? Is that before McClellan or?


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[Assistant] So, so at this point are you, is your mind blown by like, do you understand like, damn I'm around Pee Wee Longway, I'm around Young Thug, this is insane.


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[Assistant] So Makonnen's the first one that actually really kinda took your beat seriously? What was that like? And what was he like when you first met him? Cause he's a very...


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[Assistant] You suggest that or you think that that can be annoying to a lot of dudes like him?


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[Assistant] Hit somebody up like you need to try to think about like when are they gonna have enough time to maybe, cause I'm getting emails about beats and shit in the middle of Coachella and I'm like bro, I have like mushrooms and cocaine in my fucking brain right now. I'm not thinking about no fucking producer. Like you can't send me beats like that. Think about what time you're doing it. I'm on tour. It's like I'm on tour. I ain't listening to shit, you know?


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[Assistant] And it's weird too because it's like you might be like a nerdy little white kid producer, but then you're around all these street guys and you gotta at least try to fit in. You gotta try to like, because they got codes of behavior of how motherfuckers are supposed to act. And you can say one thing that you think is funny or you think is cute and they will just be like, nope, he's that kid who said that thing one time. He's a fucking dork. Yeah. Rosemary, I would totally probably be that kind of guy if I got into this shit 10 years before I did.


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[Assistant] Glad that I had some time to mature a little bit. Get some more face tats. Get some more face tats, that goes a long way too my friends.


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[Assistant] It's crazy cause all this shit is freestyle pretty much too. So for him, it's like a beat is just something to spaz on. Like, there's not a lot of Makonnen songs that sound like they were written, I don't think.


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[Assistant] Max P, yeaah. That's one that you forgot to mention, I think, when you talk about your most popular beat. It's like, dang, dang, dang, dang, dang. Everybody owes you a fucking debt for that one, right there. How'd you even link up with him? Just cause he was with Hoodrich? Are you-


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[Assistant] But it's, it's crazy cause you make 5 million songs and then that one just fucking went crazy.


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[Assistant] Are you caking off something like that? Like a record like that? Cause that was on TV.


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[Assistant] And so at what point did you always have your business in order in terms of like, or do you still get fucked over as a producer in terms of like artists just using your shit?


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[Assistant] And half the time they forget who the fuck produced it and it's like all kinds of shit happens, right?


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[Assistant] Well that's really interesting though, like thinking of it as like, as a producer, also like controlling other elements of it, because like a lot of like high end producers kind of do take on that role in the sense where they almost are like,


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[Assistant] I think that's what a lot of people miss out on with rap these days is that it's so much more about the personality and about the person who's delivering the vocal performance more than, I mean like, like having a good voice, having a pleasing voice is like required but then the personality thing is so fucking big and kids don't get that if you, you know, it's...


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[Assistant] Yeah, as a producer, you should definitely just be trying to put yourself in that situation with as many people as possible. And fuck the money, cause that's just gonna kinda fuck it up in the beginning, yeah.


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[Assistant] Once you've proven that you're so valuable that you need to be paid, then it's like, just get yourself in there any way possible. Like even with me in the podcast, like I didn't read ads on this. I still don't read ads on this and stuff, but it's like, I'm just sowing the seeds for the day when I start reading fucking eight minutes of ads.


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[Assistant] What, what producers do you look at and you're like, he's doing it right from like a branding perspective, from like a making himself part of the narrative of the artist type thing.


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[Assistant] So what are we blaming Ronnie J for the distorted bass, uh, steeze that's taking over the world right now?


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[Assistant] He's, if you want to look at like big names who really give a fuck about like finding like, like I think I showed him six dogs like as soon as I fucking went to his house.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay, yeaah, yeaah, yeaah. And that was what was really funny is because Ned had told me about it. Ned is like the underground king of LA. And Ned told me, er, told my friend Brandon about six dogs. I told me two days later, I'm showing it to carnage, all of a sudden it's like,


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[Assistant] And now I'm noticing that he did a million off one of, uh, Faygo Dreams on SoundCloud in like two weeks or something. Yeah, like that's fast as fuck. That's like, that shows, cause that first song, Flossin', that was kind of like, oh, this is the, this is the song.


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[Assistant] And then I, I think I realized at a certain point like, no, no, no, he's got way more songs that are gonna be just as big or...


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[Assistant] You know, like, even with somebody like Pump, like, like, Pump's biggest songs are usually his most recent songs. Which, like, happens with a lot of people, I think.


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[Assistant] Who's next up that we don't know about? Or that I don't know about? Or that maybe the viewers don't know about?


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[Assistant] Do they? Well yeaah, that's true. That's what people don't know, is that even when X...


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[Assistant] Yeah, when Triple X had like 15,000 followers, the comments were all interview X, which is crazy because it's like I get points for like interviewing X early, but it's like I was reading those comments for fucking four months before I got the interview. You were like, how do I pronounce this? Yeah, I'm still thinking that. There's like a video on YouTube with a million views called like how to pronounce it.


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[Assistant] That was, that was pretty, I think that was good. That was pretty nice. You did it. See? I say Tentason because I'm a fucking white boy and I don't give a shit. I just don't think that it should be that long. I'm not trying to say that many syllables. I will call it, but it just sucks for me to call him X because I already got an X. Sorry, Xavier Wolf. I ain't really trying to have another X.


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[Assistant] I think it's almost kind of shifted over. It's like, ehm, he's like, and then ZAY.


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[Assistant] I didn't think of it like that. It's spelled differently, you fucking dickhead.


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[Assistant] Will you sort of like, what, engineer it? Just to like, have a little bit different flavor?


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[Assistant] So, so okay, but there's so many more artists I could ask you about, like Yadi is somebody you've done quite a bit of work with, Rich the Kid, like...