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[Assistant] Who, you know what I mean, you never really get a chance to see another culture. Maybe a couple Muslims and a couple Spanish people.


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[Assistant] But they was in ESL in elementary, and then they clicked up in middle school and started doing their own thing, and they weren't even heavy enough, you know what I mean? To even do nothing. Like yeaah, not even to be doing anything, like...


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[Assistant] They were so, you would link in with a couple of them, but you know what I mean, like at the end of the day, they probably felt some type of way, like, like as far as like, I can't really, I don't feel-


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[Assistant] They don't eat the same food I eat. They don't listen to the same music that I listen to, you know what I mean? It's like only so much we had a bond with, but that we go to school and shit. You know what I'm saying? It just be like that.


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[Assistant] But I felt like, I felt like, cause if we don't win fights, I feel like we lose fights. Like if it ain't a straight win by a landfall, I feel like we lost. So the next time I see you, I'm gonna up the stakes and we gonna win this bitch.


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[Assistant] Boom. This is the first time ever I rode a school bus to school because DC, you gotta, it ain't no school bus. You either get on a train or your momma or your folks take you or you just gotta walk, you know what I mean? So this is the first time ever I was riding a school bus, but it's like throughout the year, so I'm used to riding a school bus. So we walked down to the school bus.


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[Assistant] And we're like a part of the community that is not on the base.


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[Assistant] It is American, you see what I'm saying? Okay. And everybody around us is German. Okay. So, but we still gotta walk all through Germany to get to wherever the fuck we going, type shit, right? So we walking to the school, but we walking to the school with a bus stop back, right? It's like five, six in the morning, still dark as shit, right?


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[Assistant] So we get down and everybody, all the boys got like sisters. All of us got like sisters and shit. So we get down to the bus stop and these German niggas gotta go to school, right? And I guess they school was walking past our bus stop or some shit. Like I don't remember ever seeing them. We probably did see them a couple times in the morning.


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[Assistant] Yeah, nah, they went to German school. We're waiting for the bus. They're walking to school type shit. So boom, we're in their neighborhood type shit. So I guess we're on this side of the street and these motherfuckers walk past our group of sisters.


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[Assistant] My man, my man is a comp, my man Ern, my man Ern and his brother, uh, it was either Mikey or Johnny or something like that, right? The nigga Johnny or whatever the nigga my man Ern's brother was, right? He was tall as shit, right? So, it was too small.


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[Assistant] Germans and two small men about the same height, right, and they about our height. They had a tall nigga, he about my man's brother height.


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[Assistant] Everybody, and we had Andy and a couple other niggas, we all was wreckin', right? But, Aaron Breville.


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[Assistant] Failed, but he was going off. I'm talking about he's one of them niggas who's like a nerd though. You would not expect this shit though. That's why I was so mad. Right? Look, he one of them niggas that like a comic.


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[Assistant] In other countries, be sweet, like Africa or Germany, you can buy alcohol as a child. You can buy cigarettes, you can buy whatever the fuck you want. You can buy whatever you want. Like they weren't caring about cap guns or fireworks, like all this. I'm going to tell you the curse of fireworks that we had too about that. The curse.


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[Assistant] We caught these motherfuckers at the little school that they be right there by our block, right, like right there by our block fool. Ran down, they get the breaker. Ahhhh. All their ass got out of there. We caught one cause he couldn't get out of that little goofy ass. Get out, get out, we got him. I'm on his ass like this.


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[Assistant] I gave him mercy. But the fuck that pop was, I felt bad because since I raised the stakes and I'm suspended, the next day,


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[Assistant] They got caught bullshittin' at the bus stop and them motherfuckers pulled crowbars out. You hear me?


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[Assistant] Like, like, for real, like, we don't push buttons. We don't even want that shit to go on, bro. You hear me? And the way we act-


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[Assistant] It's not our fault, it's cause the way they make us, like the way they put shit into our society, the way they grow us, the way they raise us, it's like...


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[Assistant] It's like, you remember how the saying is, it takes one to create a child, but it takes a village to raise it. You see what I'm saying? So, they raise society, fool. Like, the way they make shit happen, like I said with media and shit, like, it's, they're raising us to be this way. So, don't blame us, blame them.


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[Assistant] Everybody's like, what we need to do to change shit? We need to get rid of law enforcement as far as, we need to get rid of law enforcement and not rid of law enforcement. We need to hold our law enforcement to, and I ain't talking about me, you and you, I'm talking about the motherfucker who


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[Assistant] Children, your father the police, your mother the police, or your folks, you know what I mean? In the government and shit. You need to hold them folks credible.


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[Assistant] But you know where the kill is, they reaping the benefits too, so they can care less, and they so ignorant, they can care less. But until the motherfuckers who really working them jobs that's, that's, that's holding us apart, cause, I get deep into it.


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[Assistant] Now to this motherfuckin' curse of the fireworks.


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[Assistant] I believe it was, bro, but we were not supposed to have these fireworks. I think somehow my mother put a curse on us or something because like, they told us not to get them shits and we still was like, getting them shits, right?


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[Assistant] But everybody got in trouble with them shits, one way or another, but like one person, and even him, since with the thought that he didn't get in trouble, he stressed out and probably told on himself or some shit like that.


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[Assistant] I ain't never been disrespectful. I think I told on somebody when I was like four years old, but it wasn't even like telling, it was like more of one.


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[Assistant] And it's my house, it's my playstation, and my mama upstairs, and I like, ayy ma, they ain't wanna play the game, I wanna play.


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[Assistant] For snitching, whatever we do for around that joint, bro, like, aight, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that,


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[Assistant] And that was really when I was, like, it stopped when I was in, like, Germany. Like, right after Germany, when I came back to the States after Germany, I stopped fighting my friends. Like, stopped fighting everybody for real. Like, I didn't get into no more altercations for real, like, as far as, like,


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[Assistant] Any other thing that came from the hood type shit, like somebody else was like, that's my man or something like that. Like, well, I really cool, I don't cool ass nigga, I don't really be, you know what I mean? I don't do wild shit. Like, you gotta do wild shit to me to make me jump on your ass. It's ignorance too, cuz I know that, I know that like- Something better.


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[Assistant] Yeah, in fact, like, I know that's, like, my trainin' thought.


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[Assistant] Ain't really necessarily always right in all the situations.


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[Assistant] Or something, but like I said, how America made and produced this, like it's how I'm programmed, you know what I mean? And I'm not saying, oh, that's my excuse, boo boo boo, but that is what it is. And that's how, that's how I handle things. And I don't, you know what I mean? Somebody say it's not right. And like I said, I know for some certain situations,


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[Assistant] You know, you could be diplomatic about certain shit, you know what I mean? And my thing is, I go to the extreme when I feel as I can't be diplomatic anymore.


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[Assistant] Like, when I feel like I can't communicate to you or I keep telling you certain things or something like this, and it's over and over and you just not listening, I'm going to the extreme. You know what I mean? Yea. Like, cause I don't, like I don't, I ain't gonna call the police on you, I ain't gonna do none of that extra wild shit, I ain't gonna sit back and let you


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[Assistant] Keep doing that shit that you doing that I feel like, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And it's, like I said, certain situations, like I ain't going to just...


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[Assistant] Getting her ass before I get in the next man. But if he's still doing some wild shit.


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[Assistant] While I'm getting in her ass, I don't want to get in your ass, you know what I mean? But I'm not like, I'm just like...


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[Assistant] Like, baby, you know you wrong, like, shit like that, like, baby, come on, man, like, that shit wild and shit, that, you know what I mean? But she ain't never put me in that situation like that, but if it ever would come to it, and right is right, and wrong is wrong, you know what I mean? So it's like, if I felt that she was wrong, I'd be like, baby, come on, that shit wild. But if this nigga still tweakin', while I'm like, hold, hold.


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[Assistant] My problem is I get into too much commotion. It's like, I feel like I'm so laid back that people take it for advantage. And it's like, right?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it tests me, bro, and that's really what it is. People really test me, bro, and then that's why I say I take it to the string, cause then I always end up the bad guy, because at the end of the day, what I do is not


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't say shit, cause I ain't gon, like who I'ma say shit to? You, if I say shit to you, see I'm a bad communicator, and it's gonna be not, uh, passive, it's gonna be aggressive.


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[Assistant] I'm, but like at the same time, like I said, certain situations, like I can be diplomatic, bro. Like it really, I can really talk to you. We can really have conversation if you, you know what I mean? And, and that's what I try to do for a majority of things. Sometimes I take it to the stream. Like, like I'm hot headed sometimes, like, but.


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[Assistant] For majority of the times when like, I will really just try to talk.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? But if that doesn't work, there are other ways to get you to do what you need to do.


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[Assistant] Everybody. It's a bunch of rappers I done got into it like that with cuz, I ain't gon' hold, that's why I don't really do shit with rappers. Like that's really why I don't fuck with them cuz, like I said, I be so laid back, I get taken advantage of. Like this whole, like, all these rappers now.


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[Assistant] He from north-east, I'm from north-east, and like I said, in D.C. it's north-east, south-east, south-west, and north-west. And then all these quadrants are hoods. And every street is like a hood, you know what I mean? So he's in one part of north-east, I'm in another.


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[Assistant] He was coming up, he was popping, he was like the nigga in the city and shit, and I was like, you know what I mean, already...


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[Assistant] Popping from T.O.B, from the Go-Go bands and shit, so everybody, you know what I mean, niggas was doing, but he was rapping, so he was like a whole new genre. But I had started rapping too around like 2000.


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[Assistant] 2008, 2009 or some shit. This is all around the same time.


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[Assistant] And they saw my movement and saw what I was doing and they wanted to, like, they wanted me to get with they label and shit, but it wasn't like,


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[Assistant] And I was trying to tell, like, it wasn't a trail I was talking to, it was, like, Doo Baby brought me into this shit. And, cause I knew Doo Baby through the go-gos, cause he was always, his name was Duck back in the day, and I always, he would always get on the mic with my band and shit. So, he brought me around him.


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[Assistant] And shit, he was like, man, Gleece, y'all gotta fuck my man Gleece. He funny as shit. He got his own lingo. He be rapping and shit. He be doing his thing. He be really in the streets and all that. And they was like, yea, niggas was fucking with like my man Boozy the Shooter really attached to that shit.


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[Assistant] Because he was doing the same shit that I was on. And they, when they came around me, they seemed like, you know what I mean? But I was telling them, I was like, bro, I don't wanna...


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[Assistant] Cause Trell doing his thing, he blowing, I don't wanna mess that shit up cause I'm really doing shit like in these streets and I ain't gonna, I don't wanna bring y'all down with me and shit. But he's like, bro, where the fuck with you man? You know what I mean? Boop, boop, boop.


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[Assistant] What happened with the Glee shit was, like, we was all brothers, we was all, you know what I mean, fucking with each other and shit. What happened with the Glee shit was, it's like, with Yams and Rocky. It was like, ASAP Yams made ASAP.


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[Assistant] ASAP Rocky, ASAP Theo, ASAP Barry, ASAP Lou.


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[Assistant] Yeah, facts. It's a murder. And that's when we like, split ways. Cause when he dropped the tape, I was like, bruh, don't do it. I was trying to talk to him, but I couldn't get in contact with him.


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[Assistant] And they couldn't get across to him and shit. So it was like, bruh, why you doing this? Cause I put my life on the line for you.


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[Assistant] Not even on some music shit, on some other shit, you know what I mean? We was out here, you know what I mean? So, why you doing this to me? You got a name, you got a buzz, and the kill is, at the time, somebody copywritten his name. Like, when he came in the game as not with proper management and shit, so he didn't get his shit copywritten. So,


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[Assistant] I mean, it was plenty of shit, like, whatever he was going through, like even with the Shy shit, I was ready to go, especially cause Shy now was going through it with my hood and shit. It was some shit from back in the day. I was like, oh shit, plus.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? But then it was like, why would you do that to me? Cause like I said, we just-


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[Assistant] Oh yea, and there's a group too, yea. So, that's the nigga I was talking about. Like, do baby.


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[Assistant] P Wilde, and motherfuckin' uhm, and Mechie, my motherfuckin' man Mechie. Mechie the only one, like, level headed. Like, that's the one that I was trying to ask him to talk to, you know what I mean? That's like the only one I ever felt like I could talk to and shit like, as far as like, common sense wise, like that nigga had.


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[Assistant] So it was Meechie, P Wilde, and Doobabe, and that's Slutty Boy. So it was Flat Trail, Slutty Boys, Uzi the Shooter, Young Mo, Sheila D, uhm,


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[Assistant] Simone Juicy, and then it was supposed to be me.


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[Assistant] So I was supposed to come up out of all of they ass. Oh boy. There was a whole line of motherfuckers that the management team was going to put time into before they ever put time into me.


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[Assistant] But it wasn't a deal, it was just like, it was more, yea, that's why I just don't attach myself to rappers and shit because like even with Rocky and them, like motherfuckers, like it's so easy for like Gleece, especially my brand, it's so easy for it to attach to something else. It could easily be A$AP Gleece. Like it's so easy.


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[Assistant] Nah, I mean, rock, yeaah, they wanted to say, I mean, uh, uh.


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[Assistant] I ain't gon' hold you, but then when I was about to sign, when Gucci tried to sign me and shit, it could have been 10-17 Gleesh, or Rizquah Gleesh, you know what I mean? It could have easily been Gucci Gleesh.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? Like, what the fuck, you know what I mean? Like, so, you know what I mean? Shit like that. Like, it's really easy to attach my brand to whatever the fuck, and that's why I got my brand, because I can easily sell whatever the fuck I wanna sell. I wanna sell toilet paper tomorrow, I can sell at least toilet paper, you know what I mean? So, I was trying to attach my brand to him, and he took it and ran with it.


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[Assistant] And had a platform that was bigger than mine at the time, you know what I mean? It could have helped boost you up. Yea, but it didn't come back and was like, hey, so, yea, this the nigga who, you know what I mean? Yea.


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[Assistant] My man who did the remix of the Gleece Walk, the leg team, shout out to the leg team.


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[Assistant] Big 3-0 down in my, uh, my city and shit. He was just up here. They moved to Atlanta and shit. And, uhm, Fat Slutty FaceTimed his phone like, man, bro, I miss you. I'm like, ooh, I miss you too, Fat Daddy, man. He got a child and all that. Congratulations, baby boy. Ain't shit changed, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Y'all just know I'm a uuuh, uuuh, uuuh. You know what I mean? Like I see you, I see you doing big things, man. Gleece walk on the radio and all that back home and shit. I ain't even know that.


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? It be like that, fool. You know what I mean? I'm just like, damn. I just like, um, acknowledgement. You know what I mean? Pay homage. That's it. You know what I mean? Like just tell everybody the truth. You know what I mean? Instead of trying to sugarcoat it in the interviews. Like, you know what I mean? Like it's,


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[Assistant] Yeah, facts, and he wouldn't say it was me, bruh. And it's wild, cause like, aight, let's keep it true. The nigga Uchi, who was with they group.


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[Assistant] He was probably, he wasn't a slutty boy, but he was just like me. He had just as much lingo as I did. That nigga came up with thought it was.


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[Assistant] That shit that Chief Keefe and all, y'all think that. So I'm paying homage to a nigga that y'all don't even fucking know. My man Uji, shout out to Uji for his knife and quarrel. He came up with all that wood. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And all y'all think otherwise. Just like I came up with motherfuckin'.


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[Assistant] That XXX shit with that Drake and shit like, if it be that, pay that homage bro. Like for real.


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[Assistant] Just pay homage, niggas don't be asking for chickens, you don't be asking for the spotlight, just, just, like if you gonna take it and run with it, like, say at least, like, cause it's a lot of rappers right now that sound like how you say it with my go-go style and that shit, but they won't listen to go-go.


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[Assistant] They won't listen to go-go, but I don't care, like, just pay homage, nigga. I don't care if you don't, it's like, I don't care if you appropriate that shit on, like, just pay, let DC know that DC, that DC.


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[Assistant] I mean- I ain't listen to it so I don't know. But look, she looking like- It's all policy. Like Foo said, it's like, alright, I understand cause I- if I post-


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[Assistant] All your shit on my Instagram, then that's your Instagram now. You see what I mean? So, I get it, you know what I mean? And then, like, there has been shit that I've done for-


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[Assistant] People and artists and people that they just ain't appreciate this shit. So it is like damn it hurt when you do something for a motherfucker and they just be like damn fuck that nigga. You know what I mean? So I get how a nigga gets stingy.


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[Assistant] Do nothing. I purposely don't listen to none of these niggas for the simple fact that I don't want them to emulate my sound and make me, you know what I mean? Like just sounding like these niggas and that's why everybody sound like everybody because everybody listen to everybody and everybody so quickly.


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[Assistant] See what's the new, what's the new way. Yeah, in fact, I don't do that shit. And it's not like, oh, cause I don't fuck with a nigga. I just don't like, but I ain't saying I don't know these niggas. They niggas pop up on academics all the time and academics is, everybody watch academics, bro.


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[Assistant] I ain't gonna hold you but, like, on my lil case he did that wild shit, boo boo boo.


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[Assistant] But after that, I feel like he started giving niggas chances and was actually like, like speaking, like actually doing investigation, like doing investigations on his interviews before dropping his shit, just talking shit.


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[Assistant] For you to pay attention to, especially people with that much money and labels and all that shit going on, you have A&R's and scouts and people that pay attention to everything that's going on, especially everything academics is talking about. So if academics said the nigga one time, then you saw that shit, facts, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I wasn't even popping, I probably had like, I had strong on fader.


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[Assistant] And I probably had please out of some shit like that. I didn't even have water or nothing like that, right?


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[Assistant] And you just throwing water everywhere.


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[Assistant] With uhm, cause this round of time when Sosa was like talking about signing me and shit. So I went to Chicago and Fredo had picked me up from the airport.


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[Assistant] And I was staying with him for a few days. We livin' that shit like on all the Trump Towers and the motherfuckin' Waldorf.


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[Assistant] The wildest shit ever. All rock hotels and all that. All in one night. Like five different majored shits in one night. But one of these days...


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[Assistant] Uhm, we went to the Live Nation joint, like after that, we did that, we went to the Live Nation shit. And I'm on stage, bro, it's Fredo, Lil Durk, uhm, uhm, who, uh, who's the DJ for, uhm,


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[Assistant] Well, uh, Chief Keef. Chief Keef, old DJ, the nigga with the cornrows and then he started doing other shit, uhm.


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[Assistant] He at corn road. So uhm, we all right there, boom, fool, we all on stage, right? And I'm rolling up backwood and shit, and a nigga twisted to my right. Right? I'm rolling up the backwood, this nigga walk up to me and hand me his backwood. I ain't even know this nigga smoke. I ain't even know.


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[Assistant] Cause I was just standing next to Fredo, so I think, I don't know who you talking about, but Fredo had been walked off or some shit, I don't know who you talking to. I was like, who? Me, nah, I ain't got shit. How you know me, bruh?


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[Assistant] So if this nigga could know me in 2012 and I ain't had shit, these niggas know shit, bro.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's fucked up. And if, and if a nigga who got chicken and like labels and all that shit ain't searching and paying attention to this shit, they not doing their job. Not stupid, you just not doing your job.


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[Assistant] This nigga got a court date, just gonna take him down. You know the vast statistics on football, they be like, oh, that nigga got the flu. So he gonna play weak this weekend. He get all that broken ankle and some shit. Oh, he just got too, you know what I mean? He's gonna be going through some shit. So this nigga probably be doing, I know they doing that shit. If they not doing it, then like, I know.


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[Assistant] And he showed me to all of the rock, all ASAP and them. You know what I mean? It was Bari actually, you know what I mean? That's lit. Like yea, for real.


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[Assistant] I was staying with Michy, with the slutty boy. We was living down social quarters and shit, at his auntie house and shit. So I was staying with him.


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[Assistant] And it's a club right down the street, right across the street from Sessions and Coal that's called Fur.


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[Assistant] Nah, it's an actual fucking club. Biggest shit. It was one of the best clubs in D.C. They brought roll-ups and it was the first one you could really smoke in. It was crazy. But uhm, that was my shit. I ran that joint. I could do whatever I wanted in that joint. However, boom.


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[Assistant] But uhm, my man Roger, Roger be, you know, I mean, if everybody's seen any interview from me, they know about Roger, how Roger got me into rap and shit like that. So, Roger, as he always does, like,


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[Assistant] Steps up my shit every time, I ain't gonna hold you. In a way, without him even producing the beat, which he is a producer, without him even, like, doing too much. He was like, uhm.


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[Assistant] He knew that the only rapper I'd leave the house for was Gucci. He knew the only nigga I'd fuck with is Gucci type shit, right? And he was like, man, he tried to set it up with my mother and shit, whereas to, they, uh,


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[Assistant] I pick him up from the airport and shit, boo boo boo, pick Roger up. Now I'm not knowing Gucci was in town, I ain't know nothing like boo boo boo. Oh, that's what they thought, I ain't know Gucci was in town, right, boo boo boo.


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[Assistant] The nigga gu-wop in that thing, you know what I mean? And Roger like, eh, you know what I mean? So, I hop out the car.


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[Assistant] And he was hoppin' out of the car and shit, like I hop out my car, he hoppin' out his truck, and Roger hop comin' out the studio and shit. And, you know what I mean, I walk up to him, I like, man, yea, what's up, man, Young Leash, man, yea, you got love in the city, man, everybody fuck with you, you ain't know about, you good, like, straight like that, you know what I mean.


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[Assistant] And he ain't really payin' me no mind, he's like, yeah, but that was to be expected type shit, right? Boom. So then we walk up in there.


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[Assistant] But, he at least he shook my hand and was like, alright cool, woo. So we walk up in there and the first nigga that sing was like, ay Gucci, ay Gucci. Calling down the hallway and he just keep walking on the nigga.


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[Assistant] So then, I got introduced to Roger and that was his plug in DC type shit. It was basically probably that.


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[Assistant] Then we get, we leave the studio, he do the featuring and shit. So then he's like, man, y'all got to show at the fur tonight. He told Rozzy to come through. And Rozzy get in the fur, we go to the VIP with Gucci and the shit. And uhm,


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[Assistant] Like, as soon as we get in the joint, bruh, he was sitting down rolling up and shit. As soon as we get in there, the nigga stand up and walk smack up to me. Like, Glee, Glee G, why I fuck with you? You heard cocaine?


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[Assistant] To the point where I ain't, I heard Coach K cause he shouted him out in music and shit before, but I ain't know who he was type shit, but he was like, Coach K, I'm just thinking this nigga was a drug dealer now.


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[Assistant] So he's like, man, yeah, Coach K told me all about you. Boop, boop, boop. So I performed, and then...


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[Assistant] Once I finished performing, he went crazy. He like, ahhh, like, he let me stay on stage and all that. And then after that, he was getting in his truck. And he was like, nah, I need your number. I need your number, Glee. Like, I ain't gonna hold you. You gotta fly down to A. I'm trying to sign you tomorrow. Boo boo boo.


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[Assistant] Next day cuz I went back to Mejie's house and I was like, bro, I was like, bro, guess what I did? I mean that night actually, that night I went back to Mejie's house and I was like, bro, guess what I did there? I was performing for Guzzi. Mejie ain't even believe me cuz I was just sitting in his house all week. We just fucked up all week.


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[Assistant] Meechie. Oh, Meechie, okay. Yeah, Meechie. Yeah, my man Meechie from some slutty boys and shit. So, we sitting in his house, you know what I mean, all day now. And then I leave that night to go fuck with Gucci, but he didn't even know it. So when I came back that night, I was like, bro, I was just fucking with Gucci.


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[Assistant] I had gay Gucci my number, I woke up the next morning, I say that nigga has Gucci.


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[Assistant] Man, Rouse it Down, that's our first time, we fly down, it's like New Years, cause all this happen like Christmas or something, like, right, like, after Christmas or some shit, like, right Christmas or some shit. Matter of fact, this happen Christmas. Christmas Day.


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[Assistant] And boom, so then I fly down there on New Year's.


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[Assistant] Like before the day before New Year, we flew down like two days before New Year's like type shit like so.


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[Assistant] We was there on New Year's with him type shit, so.


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[Assistant] On New Year's Eve, I hadn't really talked to motherfuckers and told them cause I didn't really know what was going on and shit. I been with them a couple days and everything good and shit.


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[Assistant] When you talking about signing me and shit. So I told my man, my right hand man Terry, he locked up right now. Every time I turn up, he get locked up. He locked up right now and I'm turning up right now. So boom. Every time I turn up, he get locked up.


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[Assistant] This nigga, I told the nigga, I'm like, bro.


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[Assistant] I like bro, call me at 12, at 11 58 on the dot. 11 58 on the dot. Call me at 11 58. Don't crash. Don't stoo out. Don't do no wild shit. Don't drive drunk. Don't ride with no dogs. Don't do nothing. Call me at 11 58. Stay in the house fool. Don't even go nowhere fool. Call me at 11 58.


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[Assistant] We walking in the club at like 11.50, 11.55 type shit. We walking in the club.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so we walking in the gold room and we deep as shit, Gucci, who dirty crew, all Gucci crew and shit, boom. Gucci just was recording in the studio and he like to...


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[Assistant] Bounce down all his songs that he just recorded and listened to them in the car every time. Like that day fresh, like he wanted to listen to them right now and go to the club and get to the DJ right now type shit. You know what I mean? See how it's hitting on him. He go to club right now. So we go in this joint and he forgot the CD.


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[Assistant] At the car, so he run to the car and get the CD and it's like 11 57. So my man called me at 11 58.


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[Assistant] I'm on the phone, I'm like, yea bro. You know what I mean? We walking and woo woo woo. Guji walking back to the car, I'm like, bro, yea Guji. I was like, man, yea fool, I told you to call me, bro. The nigga Guji, man, I flew down to A and the nigga Guji was trying to talk about he trying to sign me and shit.


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[Assistant] And I was like, yeah, fool, we good. Like, we good. Like, we good. Like, fuck the nigga, cool as shit. I've been with him a couple of days already and that's why I ain't call him to say nothing, cause I don't know what was going on. But I'm like, yeah, the nigga, we good, bro. Like, don't crash. And then.


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[Assistant] Like, I'm talking to them while I'm walking in the club, and they, it's like 12 o'clock now, and they're doing the, I mean 11.59, they're doing the 10, 9, 8, 7.


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[Assistant] Happy New Year, as soon as we walkin' through the club door, fool. It's like a movie. And I'm on the phone with my man, like, yeah, fool, we good. You know what I mean? And then my man got locked up that night.


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[Assistant] Everything is planned, there ain't nothing, but I don't move.


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[Assistant] Half-hazardly like that, like I don't know about everybody else, but for the most part.


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[Assistant] I'm pretty sure everybody move with strategy, you know what I mean? They don't just drop shit not knowing what shit gonna do and what they think, you know what I mean? So, like, yeaah.


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[Assistant] I did that joint, that verse, and I knew what it was gonna do. So I was like, yeah, why not put that at the beginning of my shit, do the dance and go crazy, and yeah, and did exactly what I knew it was gonna do. As everything else should.


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[Assistant] I'm going to tell you how that went. When I first moved out here, moved out with her, boom. How long is this? It's like two years ago.


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[Assistant] Give away anybody's secret, but I'll just be liking it.


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[Assistant] Be real, bro, so whatever the fuck, y'all sue me, fuck me. Like, alright, so, what happened when I'm-


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[Assistant] Go to the studio with this nigga, we at the nigga house and we go to the studio and shit.


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[Assistant] Rocky. But we goin' to Rocky's studio and shit and he playin' a nigga beat.


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[Assistant] And it just happened to be the nigga Beat is the same producer that did JD, his JD. That video was crazy as shit. I was so proud of that video. I was like, bro, that video was crazy, right? That shit is crazy.


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[Assistant] I'm out fuckin', uhm, we goin' to the studio, he playin' beats and shit, like I wasn't even supposed to be gettin' on the song, I was, we was just goin' to the studio for him to record. It's his studio shit. He playin' the beat, I was like, bruh.


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[Assistant] I gotta get on that beat right there, right? This is the nigga Pluto Nash. Like I said, pay homage to everything. I didn't even know Pluto produced that. Pluto Nash produced JD and he produced Telephone Call. He's going to fuck crazy cuz.


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[Assistant] Yeah, not facts. Facts. Facts. Most definitely. Cause they fuck with the joint. They from Chicago and shit. So yeah, he do fuck with Lucky. He heavy. Crazy. So we on the way. I'm like, bro, I gotta fuck with that joint. I gotta get on that joint, bro. I gotta, let me write or whatever the fuck I gotta do to get myself on that joint. He like, bro, alright, boom. So we get in there.


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[Assistant] I get to try to write, I mean like rapping and shit like, like rapping bars and shit. He was like, nah, fool, you gotta give him that sauce. You gotta give him your leash.


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[Assistant] He's like, you gotta show them how to leash walk or whatever. I was like, alright. And going back to Go Go, shout out to TCB, the Go Go band, there's a song called Pussy Walk.


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[Assistant] So it's that same shit, you know what I mean? I'm just paying homage. I want everybody to get their shit. I'm paying homage. So, boom. Uhm, I just like went smack in there, leash walk. Doing it for you. Ay, ay, ay, you know what I mean? And the crazy thing was,


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[Assistant] I was the first person on this track, right? The next person was Tyler.


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[Assistant] Like, Rocky didn't even rap on it yet. Tyler got on his joint and went the fuck off. Like, everybody was in that joint.


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[Assistant] I got in trouble that night cause I ain't come home til like eight. She didn't believe, like she didn't believe that I could be in the studio all night. She was like, what engineer stays up til six in the morning or seven in the morning? I'm like, girl I'm down.


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[Assistant] That shit was crazy, so. That was crazy. Shout out to T. Yea, shout out to Tyler. Alright, so after Tyler, what happened? Um, Tyler, man, after Tyler won on that joint, who? Rocky?


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[Assistant] That's the only verse that I heard Tyler like go, I don't even listen to the nigga music, like what?


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[Assistant] Paying homage to him cause he did work with her and like, you know what I mean? They was dead food. Like he did a lot of shit for a lot of people for that nigga Tyler.


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[Assistant] He, like he be showin' love to niggas bro. He ain't a wild nigga. He a wild nigga though. Like he a wild nigga bro. But he be showin' love, we ain't no wild nigga.


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[Assistant] I still hate the media, and I hate how...


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[Assistant] You know what I mean? And that's why I respect academics now, like I said earlier, because he would actually put time into, and some blogs actually do put time into, like,


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[Assistant] So, I was mad at the booty meat. You know what I mean? Like, I took time off, but I wasn't taking time off because I was still working. You know what I'm saying? So, the comeback, like I said, was strategy. Like, it was, it's all strategy, bro. It was like, ain't nothing happening for no reason, cuz, you know what I mean? So, like,


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[Assistant] Just y'all get ready, man. Glee's album coming soon. Hear me? When it's coming out.


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[Assistant] Video coming, I mean video, you already seen it today. It's already out, already out. And uhm, yeaah. Gleece coming soon. Gleece the album. I'm not young Gleece no more. I'm just Gleece. Oh really? Big Gleece. Big Gleecey. Here we go. I'm big Gleecey or just Gleece. Here we go. Facts. BG.


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[Assistant] And that's the way the world works, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] That's, I mean, that's why I said earlier, I wish motherfuckers would not pay attention. And it's not on my behalf, because at that time I wasn't even speaking on my behalf. Like, so it's not, like, I really just, like I said earlier, I don't, I just wish everybody would unite. Like, it's a way to do it.


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[Assistant] If y'all ask me, if y'all wanna ask me, if y'all wanna find out, that's another interview, and then y'all beg this man, Adam, and I'll tell you how to say the word, and make America gleece again, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I knew it. I knew it. And this next one's gonna get a move too.


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[Assistant] That was the most effortless body art that I made. Really? That was so effortless.


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[Assistant] And a lot of the other joints I had in my head, you know what I mean? But, like, so many of them joints, like a majority of them joints, were so, like, when I, they all freestyled, cause I just, like, we had, like, Wasabi I had in my head, water, freestyled, I had the hook and shit and shit like that. But like, Trap and Benny, like, that joint was on the spot.


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[Assistant] I went in the joint and I was like four or five, I don't know. And then, like the second verse was freaked out. It was one take.


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[Assistant] Bleachy second verse was one take, like, these was like full freestyle joints, like straight, like the single part on Trav Benny, that was freestyle. Like I didn't stop not once. Like I just did that shit the whole time and I didn't have that rehearsed or nothing. Everything, so much of that shit was so effortless.


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[Assistant] That's why I really didn't want to do any features. I just had to throw his shit on because that shit was so crazy. So Monroy's shit was so crazy. I was like, I don't want to throw you on because I'm Gleece and this joint is Gleece, but that shit was so crazy. It had to go in there.


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[Assistant] No, it wasn't, no, it wasn't even like that. It was more like, I was mad that that song cranked so hard that it had to go on this tape. Like, if it could have went on, waited till the next tape or something, but like, this has got to go out now. It's like, y'all got to hear this shit, so I'm putting it out. And shout out to Mo' Roy for doing this thing. I just expect you doing that because


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[Assistant] It's how we talk. It's like saying yo. This is why y'all, yea, it's like saying yo. It's y'all, it's, it's our yo. Or like a death.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yams, and then, like, I've been with, then when I, once Bari put me on, we was chilling. Like, it was me and Bari, and then it'd be...


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[Assistant] Like, I been had met, like, yams type shit. I met yams. Matter of fact, the first day I met yams, matter of fact,


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[Assistant] The first day I met yams was at Fredo Show at DeSantos and that was the first day I walked on water.


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[Assistant] Yeah. That was the first day I walked on water and that's when I went crazy. I performed Deuce Man.


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[Assistant] Nah, in fact, it usually, and that's what I thought, I didn't know how, and then back then, I didn't know how to set up, uh, uh,


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[Assistant] A show, like for which song should go first and second and third all the way to the last. I didn't know that.


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[Assistant] Just crazily, instinctively, the way I set the show up was the way I kept doing it.


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[Assistant] For my tours and shit, cause the songs that I chose for first, second, and last was the way, it was just the craziest lineup.


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[Assistant] And I kept with it, you know what I mean? It stuck, it really made sense type shit, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] That night I met fuckin' Yams and it was, bro. And, and, like, I ain't know who he was at first, like, but my manager, like, walked me all the way to this nigga and was like,


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[Assistant] You gotta meet him. I took a picture with the nigga and all that and I still got the picture in my phone and shit like.


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[Assistant] And then that's when, like, he got in Rocky and they, he's like, bro, you gotta let this nigga bleach.


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[Assistant] That nigga bro, he was one for everyone. Like he was, like a lot of these niggas that came up was from yams had that sight on them already.


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[Assistant] And I've been around Yams when he was just reaching out to a lot of these motherfuckers and seeing them and just the motherfuckers he knew before me was vast. You know what I mean? And the shit he was doing for motherfuckers. And he was the like type, alright, this Yam, picture the artist, right?


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[Assistant] That's so busy that he can't deal with anything like that, right?


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[Assistant] He is that type of nigga, right? So he's got so much shit that he's gotta do. So you would think like a promoter from the club would like try to swerve you. Like he'd get you in the club if you come in on the time he say you come in. But if you bullshit, then he like starts not answering the phone and shit. Like he's not going to not answer the phone for you, bro. He's going to come every time, bro. He's one of them niggas.


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[Assistant] Especially if he can't, y'all came out for them, bro, he's going to get you right, bro. He's not going to, he's going to make sure all y'all cause easily.


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[Assistant] Security be like, nah, you can't get through this door, you can't, uh, uh, uh. And give a struggle to other artists that ain't as known as that one artist, but at the same time, this nigga like, nah, y'all not gonna treat them like that. Come on.


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[Assistant] Y'all with me, come on. Ain't nobody gonna touch your ass. You see what I'm saying? Ain't nobody gonna touch the group of people that's with your ass. And that's why niggas would start to make groups of like, people that could like, see the culture.


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[Assistant] And that's what N. Conner was doing and shit, like the people he would put into his groups and shit, like his team and shit, like they would.


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[Assistant] My whole time ain't nobody gonna do it cause it sounds stupid as shit, right? But like, every time he'd get high and say some stupid shit to me.


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[Assistant] Five steps ahead of me, like I said, so it would sound stupid to me, but like, you know what she used to do? She'd get the old Adidas joints in and match them with the, uh, with this and that, or put this with that in, you know what I mean? And do this and that. And they like, if you ain't had that vision, you'd be like, ugh, that shit sound stupid as shit.


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[Assistant] Everybody attached to it because he was ahead of his time. Later on. Big facts.


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[Assistant] Big facts, tour coming. Don't crash man, you know what I'm saying? Oh, big crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, tour coming soon. Leash Walk. You know what I'm saying? Leash Walk's the tour?


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[Assistant] Like I said, bro, we good, I'm a good man, bro. I ain't know nothing. I just want peace and equality for everybody. I don't want no problems, but.


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[Assistant] It don't put me in a place where I don't know nobody. I don't know nothing else.


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[Assistant] Facts. Gleece album coming soon. Gleece walk tour. Gleece! Shout out to OG Bluetooth man, you know what I mean? Shout out to my man Adam.


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[Assistant] I think that shit could be corny, like not corny, like. If y'all did it the right way, it would be hard. Even that, just like, I don't know. Like that shit would be. Hey man, y'all the new JNB, that's all.


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[Assistant] Uh, not that much. Uhm, doing, doing good, doing good. Uhm, preparing for, uh, this is Hardcore. Uhm, I think that's July 27th. And it's the first time I'll be playing a set of, uhm, a solitary set of Just Blood for Blood songs.


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[Assistant] Uh, Ramal is playing two nights. Okay. Uhm, and Blood for Blood will be the first night, that's Thursday, we're headlining, and then we're playing a full, that'll be all Blood for Blood songs. And then, the next night,


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[Assistant] They'll just be a full Ramallah set, so it's like, uh, two sets one weekend.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we're gonna have some special guests, uh, up for the Blood for Blood set.


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[Assistant] The band was started by me and the presently...


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[Assistant] Yeah, but he was uhm, he was my closest friend in high school. We started the band, uh, when we were about 15 or 16, but it wasn't blood for blood then. Uhm, we would just get together wherever we could.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I was a music nerd, but being from the projects, you can't play music anywhere in the fucking projects.


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[Assistant] Scorched my ass for years. I got like an immutable core of class envy in me from growing up in the projects. I'm not a Marxist or like a fucking commie or anything like that. I just, uhm, hate, not hate, I can't say hate.


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[Assistant] I resent people whose lives are nothing but lawn parties and noodle salad. I can't help it. Being from the projects raised on government cheese and fucking welfare. And rock and roll, of course, uh, what's the old fucking stone song? What else can a poor boy do? Well, it wasn't the...


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[Assistant] Playground of poor people for a long time. I remember when we started playing, I'd have a First Blood for Blood show, I had a PV.


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[Assistant] Fuckin' 75 watt solid state amp cost like $100 and they had to put it on a chair.


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[Assistant] Uh, be a bootable wicket into like punk rock and metal.


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[Assistant] Uh, Charlestown was a little Irish Catholic neighborhood. It was one of the-


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[Assistant] Boston maintained that little racial enclave thing way later than any other city that I've come across, that I've come across. And it was hyper conservative, you had to dress a certain way, you had to talk a certain way, and there were only certain bands you could listen to. So I used to get my ass kicked for wearing like,


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[Assistant] That's like uhm, I watched this, this is an utter, bizarre tangent, but I watched this documentary recently about gay skinheads in Britain. Wow. It was on YouTube, I don't remember the name, so.


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[Assistant] It was, but the thing was, they, when it got down to it, they would just...


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[Assistant] Somebody recently told me that the new domain of hipsters, and it's irony based, is uh, black metal. That they're getting into black metal.


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[Assistant] Our original press kit, our very first press kit, thank god it didn't get out as like, canon.


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[Assistant] But was, uh, why did you start a band? And it was, uh, so our friends could have a soundtrack to rough up Austin Seensters too. And that was the entire cause, the belly of fucking Blood for Blood.


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[Assistant] It's, it's kind of funny cause, uh, Buddha was another inoc-inocitic kid. He was from Shirley Avenue, East Boston.


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[Assistant] And uhm, I was, uh, like I said from the Charlestown projects, which they make all those movies about now, the town, and fucking Gone Baby Gone, and everybody talks like they're from Revere. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I was living two lives and I gotta fuckin' say that I gotta be grateful to hardcore as much as I sneer at hardcore.


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[Assistant] The reason I sneer at hardcore, the reason I fucking mock hardcore is because I still-


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[Assistant] Like a Knight Arant, like some fucking Ignatius Loyola.


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[Assistant] Of a dead fucking religion, I still believe in the principles I thought.


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[Assistant] It was founded upon, so when it fails me, I take it as an affront, but it saved my life because I was living this one life in, in Charlestown with all my friends from the projects and we were stealing cars and breaking into houses and fucking...


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[Assistant] I was trying to sell drugs and we were fucking bad at it. Stupid. Uhm, and I was going nowhere. Most of those friends are dead or in jail or they're strung out. Because Charleston was the epicenter of a heroin quake. Unlike anything I've...


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[Assistant] Uhm, which I get a fucking kick out of would, uhm, would, would, what's that fucking song that gets stuck in my head for weeks?


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[Assistant] Uh, mama said little pump won't be shitty.


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[Assistant] He strikes me, I may be wrong, but he strikes me like he does a lot of like, benzos and drugs.


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[Assistant] The, the delivery, the enunciation and stuff. I was like, the music, it's extended into that. And I think that's sincere and honest.


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[Assistant] That's definitely real. Yeah, for real. Uhm, I see, I also see a rebirth in, of, of rock and, rock and roll at its best, punk at its best. These cycles, if you live long enough.


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[Assistant] You'll see these things, but uhm, that Charlestown accent.


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[Assistant] Uh, a Boston accent, but the really deep.


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[Assistant] Yes, yeaah. It's gotten so ubiquitous that even when not had, because that's what somebody talks like when they're fucking strung out. It's actually just become part of the actual addiction.


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[Assistant] Then so many people started using dope that that became the, the lingua da franca or whatever the fuck you call it. The, the colloquial way of talking. And now everybody in Charlestown talks that way. I just find those kind of cultural things.


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[Assistant] That was utterly acceptable. That was like, that was almost mandatory. I used to say that the, the, uh, uh, I've talked about it on the, the Nodcast thing, uhm,


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[Assistant] The, the cultural values, I had my brother on one day to do a Charlestown episode, cause he grew up, obviously grew up there with me. Uhm, the cultural values got so perverted in, in, in Charlestown. And when I talk shit about Charlestown, it's like family talking about Charlestown, like family talking about family. I'm not mocking it, I'm just assessing it.


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[Assistant] The hot girls in C-Town don't go out with the football player or the jock or whatever. They go out with the car thief and the guy doing the most drugs. That's like the cultural values there. And it's perverse. So I'm living that life because I have to because that's where I'm from. But I'm into this music on my own.


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[Assistant] And I'm also, you gotta remember, I've adopted all the attitudes of the town too, and a lot of that was some narrow-minded fucking shit.


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[Assistant] For sure. Back, ehm, back in Charleston, back at that time, this was only, ehm, couple years after force bussin'.


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[Assistant] Precisely, it wasn't part of a lodger, there was no eugenics involved, like white people are better or anything like that. No, it was Charlestown people are the only people you could trust, everybody else is a, is an enemy, but


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[Assistant] God knows, uhm, when I was very, very young, 11, 12, 13, cause you hang up the corner in a time like that with an age group from 7 years old up to 45. Like everybody just hangs up the corner, drinks, uhm,


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[Assistant] No, I never thought it would ever go anywhere. As a matter of fact, when we spoke in terms of...


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[Assistant] Uhm, was at that time when me, Buddha, and the guys that we were hanging around with at that time started going to shows, it was a real lull for-


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[Assistant] Actually, all of those bands, I like the music, I think they were very original, uhm, particularly only in Witness. Musically, they're probably my favorite of those four at that time. But they were attracting different types of people, uh, not the pure hardcore scene and stuff like that. We wanted to just bring it back to what we remembered.


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[Assistant] In the beginning we were straight up biting them. Uhm, all the bands we listened to, I mean we were only kids at that point, so we don't, we're not trying to contribute anything, we just want to sound like what we like. And I think that's what most bands start out doing.


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[Assistant] 20, 30, and 40. Right. Kids, that's all kids do. They start playing music they love.


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[Assistant] We definitely were aware of these bands because we felt there was a dearth of them in Boston. That was part of what pushed us to keep playing.


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[Assistant] I remember at the time, we would practice like four or five times a week. We didn't get any better. We were a terrible band at the beginning, like truly bad players, bad songwriters.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but we'd still practice relentlessly and it wasn't even fun, it was just this compulsion I never even understood.


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[Assistant] I never saw it as a vehicle to go anywhere. I never thought we'd tour the world. And I never thought that we'd end up being like one of the classic bands from that style of music. But that's, it's something I tell like up and coming musicians.


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[Assistant] Go to law school, you gotta do something because you love it and it's a compulsion.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's bare minimum. If anything's gonna come of it, it will become because that you're that passionate and obsessive about it. Uhm, it won't come.


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[Assistant] By planning moves. I mean, there were always some bands that got opportunities because they were wired in with the right people and stuff like that. That'll always be part of it, but nobody remembers.


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[Assistant] The shows were rough from the beginning, uhm, we started to get a kind of a name for that.


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[Assistant] Uh, no, no, we were just hanging around the scene. We weren't, we weren't really po- I mean, we were as part of as anybody that went to shows all the time. But uhm...


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[Assistant] The, the, the, the, the lyrics were obviously, uhm, very angry at the beginning. Uhm, and the shows were pretty rough from the get-go. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I definitely knew something was going on right before the first US tour we dropped, uhm, spit my last breath and it was originally on an independent label.


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[Assistant] We had a U.S. tour set up just, uh, because we used to trade shows with people from, but back then it was like you trade shows, you want a show here, you get us a show in Philly. We got enough of that to set up a tour.


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[Assistant] And the week before we went on this tour, it was this utter ghetto thing. We were playing people's basements and stuff like that. For peanut butter, no money.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Spit My Last Breath came out and we played a show where we made it first available and we had like 500 copies and it was just gone in like 5 seconds.


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[Assistant] That was, that actually funded that tour. That's the only reason we ate on that tour.


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[Assistant] That was when I was like, something's, something's going on here. Something. For better or for worse.


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[Assistant] That, that, that was a feeling of that. Uhm, the real tipping point though, where I was like, alright, I know what we're doing now. Like, I remember there were three Red Letter events, we played a show in New Hampshire, it was our first out of state show, and there were like 50 kids up front singing along, and this was only about a year and a half in. We only had a little demo, a little five song demo.


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[Assistant] And I was like, this is fucking weird. I don't, I don't even think I had been to New Hampshire at that point. I was playing up in Portland. I was like, that's weird. And uhm, that, that show, uh, at The Rat, where we sold out of the CDs real quick, but the real tipping point


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[Assistant] We were, then we ground. We grinded for like five years. No headway, no seeming headway, no money.


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[Assistant] Getting some decent tours here and there.


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[Assistant] Uh, mostly getting passed over for hipper or more dialed into the scene bands, but, uh. Less aggressive.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, that for sure, that for sure. But mostly it was politics, just cooler people, people that were more social and stuff like that. But when we finally went out with AF, that was, I was like, alright.


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[Assistant] A really liberating time for me personally, cause that was also...


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[Assistant] The first album that from top to bottom, every bit of it, I wrote and produced without any input from the band. I just did the entire thing from top to bottom. 90% of Revenge on Society, the album before.


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[Assistant] Do music any other way, unless I was doing a collaboration with somebody.


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[Assistant] But as far as my own music, I don't, uhm, I've gotten to the point now where there's a few people whose judgement I trust.


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[Assistant] And I will allow, like, allow input, but at that time, yeaah, no, I was like, this is the way it has to be.


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[Assistant] On the podcast, I've gone into the chronology of why a lot of it had to do with, at the beginning I would write all the music, a good portion of the lyrics, and usually the choruses and stuff, and then the other singer would fill in, and it got to the point where it was no longer expressing.


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[Assistant] And it would be inarguable at that point. And by the end, like, it got even to the point where by outlaw anthems, uhm,


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[Assistant] They wouldn't even hear the stuff until we were in the studio. I would just show the drum of the stuff.


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[Assistant] We'd go in and track the drums and then I'd show the guys literally line by line what they had to play.


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[Assistant] Safest, secures way for me to keep what I wanted to do intact. But uhm.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, for sure. By far. Uhm, as far as I know.


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[Assistant] They're also still, uh, the biggest privately owned record label on earth. As far as I know.


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[Assistant] They still manage to have no corporate interests. Their distribution is Sony, but that's still all privately owned by Tony. That dude built an empire for himself.


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[Assistant] And they were instrumental in Blood for Blood, like I, you know, a lot of people like to knock victory, but victory is the only label that I get a check from every quarter, I don't have to chase them down.


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[Assistant] We were just getting a name around Boston and uhm, we would prove that we could tour, which back then was what most labels wanted.


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[Assistant] To prove that you're actually capable of being on the road? Being on the road. They wanted that more than a f- a buzz or something like that. They wanted to prove that you'd stay out there. Cause that's by attrition how you sell records in that scene. You gotta stay out there. Uh, cause the resources like MTV and radio aren't available, so you gotta grind. But, uh, we went-


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[Assistant] And played a single show in Chicago and at that point it was the furthest we'd gone out west. It was as cold as life. And uh, Araya jumped off during our set and ended up like...


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[Assistant] 12 carcass, uh, riot up and down the street, and we thought,


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[Assistant] Uh, partially, there was some drunk, it's an old story, but, uh, some drunk metalhead, uhm, came to the show.


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[Assistant] And he was pie-eyed drunk, and he was yelling a bunch of shit into the mic, and I guess some of it was like, Nazi-ish, and shit like that, so.


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[Assistant] One of the Chicago guys, uhm, put a king cobra 40 ounce off his head.


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[Assistant] And it was full and it skidded off and hit me in the face and knocked me out. So...


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[Assistant] Couple of guys that we went with and the rest of the band kinda rushed into the pit to see what happened because they thought the metalhead threw it. And...


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[Assistant] It just exploded from there, like, the beef got squashed.


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[Assistant] Cause everybody realized nobody intended any of this to happen, but people-


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[Assistant] Came from other bars, and they didn't have word of what was happening.


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[Assistant] And then fights just started. And it just expanded from there. Typical.


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[Assistant] I, when I first started going to shows, there were a couple of, uh, boogeyman crews. I was like, 13.


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[Assistant] Uh, it was Jajay and Scooby-Doo Posse. It's crazy, it's the name sound.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah, oh yeaah. They were like the scary ones at the time. And uhm, they had already ridden out the Nazis by that point. Organized white power is associated with the scene itself. I guess back in the 80s there was a lot of it. Right. And there were like, a period of warring states.


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[Assistant] And from then on, it never got a foothold, uhm, in Boston or on New York either. Uhm, but it's always been pervasive. Uhm, I've heard.


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[Assistant] Uhm, out on the west coast and I've seen, I've seen some evidence.


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[Assistant] I think part of that too is uhm, it's, it's, it's related, it's gotta be related to the prison culture.


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[Assistant] Every, everything I've seen in, in, in, in guys from the west coast I've talked to is very regimented out there. Whereas, uhm, like, in the northeast...


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[Assistant] Yeah, I've been fortunate to not have any, uh, uh, incarceration experiences out on the west coast.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I've never been to prison, just jail. Uhm, couple of major arrests in my twenties. Uhm, I was in Hamburg, uh, jail for a couple of nights.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's a story, I think I told that on the podcast, but uhm. There's some humorous elements to it.


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[Assistant] Uh, we would already been there a bunch of times, but uhm, this story took place about 2004, cause I didn't really get fucked up on drugs until I was about 26.


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[Assistant] I think I started fucking around with pills when I was about 24 and that was, like I said, I was avoiding drugs. I ended up working back in Charlestown. I picked up a job there. And I was hanging around with the old guys and I tried quit- quitting drinking.


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[Assistant] Which I could do for a month or two at a time as a degenerate alcoholic back then.


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[Assistant] Yes, right from the get-go, right from the get-go. I knew I had a problem by the time I was 12 or 13.


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, we were all drinkers, and that's obviously kind of a big part of the punk rock oi. Yeah. Cause that's where we started going to those shows, and there's a big drinking contingent in hardcore, there's also straight edge, but uhm, I was trying to quit drinking, and I used to be able to do that until I couldn't, like the day I woke up and I wanted to get drunk.


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[Assistant] So I woke up one day and I went to a bunch of Charleston guys and said, get me a bunch of Xanax. Cause they used to be prescribed that. I just want to go home tonight, chill out and sleep. And they came back and said, there's no Xanax. It's, this is the same thing. They gave me a bunch of Vicodin. Right. Not even close to the same thing. But you had been messing around with Xanax just to sleep and shit before that? Yeaah. I was prescribed it for like anxiety and shit. And I never had a propensity to abuse it. We're a trendsetter.


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[Assistant] It would just rot in my house, I'd have like a bottle I'd forget about and I'd find it and, oh yea, I got these, alright, I could sleep tonight, but, cause they used to have mad insomnia from the bipolar, but,


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[Assistant] Important experiences of my life where everything made sense were the first time I whacked off.


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[Assistant] But uhm, but no, the thing is, like anybody that knows me, uhm, if, if I was, if I was gay, I would be flamingly gay, cause I don't keep my mouth shut about nothing. Dude's bodies are just fucking gross. Women are...


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[Assistant] And, they got, like, from the di- even from when I was a kid, I always wanted to look at the girls, like in the bathroom, like, you know.


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[Assistant] Everything, every bit of angst, that jet-roar of fucking blackness in my fucking head that was unrelenting from the day I can remember until first whack-off, first beer, first Viking.


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[Assistant] And uhm, and I hadn't got whacked out on drugs. And some other things hadn't happened with it in the band. You know, the stuff that it's not my place to talk about. Just people going in different directions.


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[Assistant] But, the individual's experiences describing, they resonate with so many fucking people. Because it's sincere, like, and I'm not trying to play along, I'm a fucking noble at this place. I'm a fucking...


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[Assistant] Uhm, found each other through hot porn punk, angry music that attracts people from disrupted lives and stuff like that. But the violence comes from the fact that there is nothing more vulnerable and exploitable than a homeless fucking teen.


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[Assistant] Even a child on the street will get snatched up by...


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[Assistant] For sure, and a lot of them are psychotically angry because if they're homeless, they're fleeing something, something traumatic, something destructive, something maladaptive, and uhm, where I think the violence came from is, it's like a Sun Tzu thing, you realize, you're vulnerable.


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[Assistant] You're easily exploited, you're easily victimized. If you learn to quickly, if somebody confronts you and you smash their head in immediately with a cue ball and a sock,


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[Assistant] That is the Sun Tzu, kill one to terrorize a thousand. That raises a flag and says, leave me the fuck alone. And then those guys will be left alone in their little commune house that they're living in wherever they're, which will probably be a bad area because they're gonna find somewhere cheap to pool their resources and stuff like that.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, that's at its purest. And if there is any...


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[Assistant] A lot of that aggression and violence comes from the fact that when they were defenseless, they were traumatized and abused.


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[Assistant] Later, when they're not defenseless, they're gonna be way less inclined to allow somebody to lay hands on them or whatever. It's, uhm, what's that old adage? Uh, the fact that an abused child doesn't turn into a monster.


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[Assistant] Is less amazing than the fact that all of them should. Like, I just butchered that. I just fucked that up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, precisely, precisely. And that's one of the other things that like a lot of the guys that I grew up with that have kids, uhm, it is front and center.


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[Assistant] Like, in their lives that we're breaking the cycle. I am providing a better life for my kids. I actually admire that.


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[Assistant] It's also why when somebody puts up pictures of their two-year-old in a Blood for Blood shirt with a little clip of them listening to Blood for Blood, I'm like,


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[Assistant] D.Y.S. would look into that. Yea, they should, right? Nobody should be watching any of our stuff if they are under like 25 and had a horrible life.


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[Assistant] Oh, I've tried to be so fucking cautious about that. That is like one of my few guiding principles is do not celebrate any of this stuff. Do not glorify. That's my war with the entire music industry. Uh, mainstream music.


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[Assistant] Uh, is that it's all this stuff that should be mourned is celebrated and glamorized and often by people that have fucking nothing to do with it. Like literally have no experience in it.


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[Assistant] And he sells it, that whole, uh, prince of darkness and evil deeds, man, you're a fucking poser. I've heard it from the industry, uhm, just second hand.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Nikki Sixx would only look for dope when he had an entourage of people and cameras. Then he'd suddenly need dope and stuff like that. And he sold his book, The Heroin Diaries, like he's some modern William S. Burroughs or fucking Hunter S. Thompson or some shit.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean, if your goal is to make money, he was a genius, but as far as like, uh,


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[Assistant] Art having any sense of ethics, that dude should be pilloried in public. Like he should be sent to Singapore and fucking caned in the face.


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[Assistant] Because, uh, he, that was when rock and roll, like, every kid, you know, listened to it, that was the cool music and shit, and he sold that as part of the package, like, the whole rock and, uh, Motley Crue experience, you know, with it. They were wild, man, I'm not gonna argue that, they got their...


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[Assistant] Probably needed a squeegee to wipe the pussy juice off their shoes. They were maniacs wrecking cars and stuff like that. I don't buy the heroin thing with him and I think that's a nasty thing to sell people as cool and vicarious. Like I said, with everything from my personal experience, as ugly as they are, I try.


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[Assistant] Mass media and mainstream entertainment is glorification of stuff that the people producing it have very, very little to do with.


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[Assistant] Because it's not the exce- like I am a fucking mathematical anomaly. I should not be alive. I should be dead a thousand times over. I should be in prison a thousand times over. Uhm, the, the, the success story, you know, that-


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[Assistant] The other reason why I get on when I do the podcast and talk about it when I'm fiending.


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[Assistant] It's cause I'm tired of that VH1 narrative of I went through the fire and now I'm strong. Well no, that's true.


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[Assistant] That's true, I got through the fire, but there's still days I wanna stick a needle in my arm, you know what I mean? Like that's never gonna go away.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, uhm, it is, it is, it's like a god force, and when, it's the, calling it a demon in the literal sense is, is somewhat apt because, look,


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[Assistant] You can't understand, like, your brain is wired to get rewards from two things, eating and having sex. And if you put them on a graph, eating a sandwich is like, gives you like that much of a reward and then takes like that long to trickle off. Blowing a load is like up there and it takes like another hour or so as the pleasure tape is off. Heroin's like way up here and it drops right off.


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[Assistant] That's the pattern you set up for yourself. I think of it as like a god force. People were not meant biologically to feel that way. That's why it sweeps so many people up in it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's just, it's a sensation beyond orgasm, even the best sex I've had, toe-shrimpin', ass-spelunking, rim-jobbing, two-on-one fuckin' sex. I would step over three weeks of that for one pin of fuckin' Fyadult.


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[Assistant] That has a higher rate of affinity. More people will get swept up in it if they dabble in it. And the other hard fact about that is if you do it for five days, whether you like it or not, you're going to get physically addicted to it and you're actually going to suffer coming off it. So, uh, but I've always been like an addict type. Like I said, my first drink I knew I'm going to do this every free minute that I get.


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[Assistant] Uhm, well the booze shut off. That...


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[Assistant] I always had this black comment of like, it felt like I was being like electrified to 24 hours a day. From the minute I woke up, I felt like a black current of fucking energy running through me.


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[Assistant] The drugs I like turn that off, and just gave me a break from that. This like jet raw fucking darkness in my fucking head that was like unremitting, but when I do coke and stuff like that, I-


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[Assistant] Yeah, my whole life. Uhm, I'm waiting for them to discover, like, something genetic. Like that, maybe it's just in some people or something. Maybe it was rooted in the bipolar, maybe it was my own, you know.


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[Assistant] Wasn't particularly fond of my childhood experiences. These things all sort of roll together. Uhm.


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[Assistant] But like coke and stuff like that, that made me even more ridgy. And like, I didn't want to go near that. And meth, I never even tried. I have to admit I never.


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[Assistant] Never went near that, because like I said, I didn't really try drugs. The booze stifled all that.


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[Assistant] Pitchforks in the head. And then heroin was just like, I'm not heroin, Vicodin and those pills, uhm, were like a purer, cleaner, longer, less destructive, cause you could take one, you'd feel like a six be a buzz for like eight hours except it was a six be a buzz times ten.


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[Assistant] Nah, that's the crazy thing, uhm, I used to be, I used to, when I was doing dope.


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[Assistant] Especially when I crossed over and started slamming it. Uhm, I only OD'd like four times in my whole life. I always had tolerance with that.


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[Assistant] I actually talked to a doctor about it, and he's like, everybody's constitution is different, because there was this guy when I started doing Oscar, he started doing uh, OCs, he was actually my first connection, he had been doing it for like a year, every day, and he would chew half a forty, and he'd be on my couch on an odd note.


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[Assistant] I'd chew five eighties, and be like, let's paint the house, let's fucking write a song, let's do it. Yeaah, we'll write a song. And he'd like be nodding out, like it was just different human physiologies, I guess.


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[Assistant] I always had a real high tone.


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[Assistant] Oh, I've heard it's pervasive in Hollywood, and I'm talking about amongst the movers and shakers, not just the faces. But uhm, I guess you'd basically in that case be talking about functional addicts. Uhm.


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[Assistant] You know, as long as they can manage it, they will keep managing it. And this, the thing is, people don't, it's like that line in fucking, uh, uh, Trainspotting. Uhm.


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[Assistant] There's all that horror attached to drugs, but people don't do it if they don't get something out of it.


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[Assistant] There's gotta be something they're getting out of it that they're not getting somewhere else. Because otherwise the horror would of course drive them right out of it. They feel they're getting something out of it. Uhm, a lot of people do use them utilitarianly. Like you said, keep a certain attitude, keep a certain perspective. Uh, bipolar and creativity has been connected since, I mean they just...


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[Assistant] They've known about that forever. And creativity and bipolar are directly connected.


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[Assistant] To drug abuse, going back to like, Kate's, you know, a fuckin' absent drinkin' maniac and...


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[Assistant] Uhm, Sherlock Holmes, I mean, he's a fictional character, but he was based off of Seratha Conan Doyle. He was a fuckin' Chasin' the Dragon, opium fiend, and uhm, Hitler was a meth-head, right? There's a lot of interesting stuff about him, uhm.


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[Assistant] Not at all, not at all. Uh, coke was, uh, you could rob a pharmacy and get some coke until like the late 70s. They finally cleaned, uh, got rid of that. They, Freud, the first god,


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[Assistant] Of mental health prescribed cocaine for depression.


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[Assistant] And then, uh, shoot him up with barbiturates to put him to sleep, so he was riding an emotional roller coaster. Problem is, he was at the helm of the destiny of millions of people, so that's really destructive, but my roller coaster just fucked me up.


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[Assistant] I tried on and off, uh, for years before the final. It was the end of, uhm...


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[Assistant] 2006, that final remolitor after my time out in Detroit, that was the last time I was strung out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when I got back from that I gave myself one year of...


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[Assistant] And uhm, if I'm not better after a year, I'm gonna shoot myself. And if I feel better, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with it.


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[Assistant] And it worked. But, you know, it's funny, the drugs were just symptomatic of the depression. I knew that my whole life. Like I knew that my whole fucking life.


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[Assistant] Oh, that was the pattern. I would get clean and six months later, I would be thinking about putting my head in the oven again. And nobody really wants to die.


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[Assistant] Yep, and it's uhm, the devil you know versus the devil you don't because most people don't want to die.


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[Assistant] And uh, yeaah, and there's also the intermittent relief of the high itself, whether from alcohol, math, or whatever anybody else is doing, you at least have that.


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[Assistant] If you're dealing with unremitting depression anyway, you talk yourself into doing a drug again because you at least get some kick here and there.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, damn man, that, that, that was it for me right there.


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[Assistant] Ramallo was started during a time when Blood for Blood was inactive and I wanted to do something else. Uhm, it wasn't specifically, the idea wasn't to, people used to call it political, but uhm,


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[Assistant] I just thought it was, uh, making fun of American pop culture at the time, and it really wasn't about politics, it was about, uhm, that this was a real, you know, that was a really ugly time.


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[Assistant] And everybody all they cared about was Britney Spears shaving her head.


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[Assistant] All this stuff swirling, and it seemed like everybody just wanted to drool vicariously through celebrity worship.


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[Assistant] That's what everybody turned to for their blanket. That was, that was what at the time, uh, Romalo was sort of taking a whack at.


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[Assistant] Uhm, get that whole time period. It wasn't like I didn't set out like I'm going to make a political statement or whatever. Uhm, I always tried to keep music personal to me and not...


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[Assistant] Get too esoteric. But that was stuff that you felt like you had to say? At the time for sure, yeaah. Yeaah, definitely.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause that was right around, uh, Terra was one of the first tours Blood, uh, Bands, Blood for Blood took out when we first had our opportunity to take a band out. Uh, Terra, and that was right around that time.


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[Assistant] Uhm, when we let off was, uhm, the last thing that I heard on that was, uhm,


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[Assistant] I never, uh, the only time I specifically, uh, did anything like that was when, uh, Citizen Saints was playing one of our first shows. Uhm, I just asked a couple of guys to come out and stand up front.


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[Assistant] Yeah, this is, that would be post-internet. Maybe not, I mean, I remember back then the big thing was the mullet board. You remember that? I remember mullet board before V9, no.


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[Assistant] This is the thing, I ain't rankin' on fuckin' Lamgo the site because the people that run that site. It's just a news site. Yeah, they work their asses off to put out a ton of content for bands that otherwise aren't gonna get their content put out anywhere. So I respect and appreciate that, but the sexless...


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[Assistant] Pasty face, fish belly white, mayonnaise sucking. The comments.


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[Assistant] Everything's gay, but you're here spending twi- I can track you motherfucker. I know what you've been doing if I look- You've been on here for-


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[Assistant] That, that shit used to go on. The only people I ever kept on a list was, uhm, certain levels of reviewers.


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[Assistant] Don't fucking t- I remember the first bad review we got, we got was from this fanzine down in Florida. And...


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[Assistant] The kid actually wrote, it was to spit my last breath, like, nobody's this depressed. Anybody this depressed would have already killed themselves, which I wish these guys would do. Uhm, this is so fake.


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[Assistant] Uhm, these guys are just trying to be sad and mad. And the thing was, the lyrics I put into Spit My Last Breath were the closest to like, actually the lyrics to the song, Spit My Last Breath, were from an aborted suicide note.


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[Assistant] And at the time I thought, this is the one place I can say this shit, the hardcore scene. I didn't know that this...


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[Assistant] Yeah, not, not the militant straight edge so much as the, the ozzy fozzy thing. Uhm, we always had a really good straight edge contingent. Right. Uhm, part of that was the aggression of the music and a lot of them I would ask them, I was like, you're really like militantly straight edge, how do you reconcile the blood for blood thing? They would often say it's real.


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[Assistant] Fuckin' hey, I actually say that before any of the songs on the subject of addiction. I always send it out to straight edge kids and say, if you stay, I'm not, I'm making a point to say I'm not being snide or sarcastic.


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[Assistant] This is going out to all the straight edge people, because if you stay straight edge, you don't ever gotta find out what a word of this song's about, and you're right to reject it. Like, there's nothing here, this is not a fucking fun club to be a part of, but, uh, it was Vegan Brownies and, uh,


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[Assistant] You have no idea my life experiences. And I didn't have anything to do with theirs. I was like, but you're not qualified to judge. You got no fucking right. And that's all a fanzine was back then. People forget that. 60 fanzines back then?


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[Assistant] That's all that meant, that would build hype back then. We never had the hype, we just filled the crowds, that's all, we filled the clubs. You're the fuck.


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[Assistant] Great vegan brownies. I was like, wow. What a social crusader.


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[Assistant] I would have been, I would have checked out by then. Okay. I wouldn't have known, I, I, I haven't actively followed anything that's been going on. Uhm.


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[Assistant] I mean, if a band, you know, if I bumped into a band, or if I liked it, or whatever, but I wasn't actively paying too much attention around that time, uhm...


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[Assistant] Like I said, the time that I thought was the silliest when uhm, that's why we were talking about once and we were laughing about it, like I don't have a problem with emo.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because that's just those kids being those kids. Whereas I remember the days I...


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[Assistant] I said this before, but when I was out in Detroit, it was 666 day, June 6th, 2006, and somehow Slayer got involved with it somehow.


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[Assistant] And it was this big an- they turned it into Anti-Emo Day, grrr. Right. Angry Evil Metal Day.


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[Assistant] They'd be like, no, it's weak. I'm like, yeah, but that's what those kids are supposed to be into. They're not supposed to be writing songs about fucking killing people and stuff like that. They're dorky suburban white kids. That's what they're supposed to, they're supposed to write songs about their girlfriends and being heartbroken and stuff. That's their experience. Would you rather it be the 90s again when they were coming to hardcore shows and pretending that they was mafia enforcers and stuff like that?


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[Assistant] Industry decision with the advent of gangsta rap to no longer support and promote the political stuff like Public Enemy.


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[Assistant] And it was amazing to me because I always thought that that was part of the evil phlebitis-ridden white guy's plan was to sell


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[Assistant] What they perceive to be the most destructive yet least likely to come up and bite them and want money.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's the real question, because stuff like that, I mean, that stuff just blows in the wind, and nobody, it's like that pot in the...


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, what's that guy's fucking name? All the Stones, JFK. Nothing's ever spoken. It's just blowing in the wind. The conspiracy, the plan and stuff like that. Now obviously that's a tenuous analogy, but uhm, I do wonder if some evil Dr. Claw fucking


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[Assistant] Ofe, white guy. Put the word out, this is the decision. But uhm, I love what's going on, that's why I love what's been going on the last 10 years with underground hip-hop and it's rapidly becoming not underground hip-hop. A lot of these kids are blowing up.


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[Assistant] That's been, we used to call it backpap rap, that's been around for a while.


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[Assistant] Oh, I remember when, uhm, 50 Cent, uh, said if Kanye's album outsold him he was gonna quit the business.


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[Assistant] And a bulletproof vest, yeaah. That was a weird era. But I, that was one of those tipping points, but I love what's been going on because, at least from what I can see, and I can't, I don't digest it like,


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[Assistant] Some of the music I love but I also monitor it analytically.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it seems like a lot of these kids, they don't give a fuck what they're supposed to be. They don't care what this, you know, they're not putting on the old uniform. They're being whatever they want to be. That's an exciting time because one of the things I always loved about hip hop was no matter, even during the hype of, uh, the years that it was purely gangster,


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[Assistant] The music was always still super innovative. Right. The sounds themselves were always super fresh.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and the deliveries were always super fresh, even if the content had started to get somewhat redundant. Uhm, to my ears, that was always, the sounds themselves were fresh. Now the lyrics are as wide a bandwidth and broadband as the sounds. That's just plain exciting.