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[Assistant] Copper coins flow like currents of water while silver piles up like drifting snow.


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[Assistant] Every morning, fish are sold in such quantities that one may well wonder whether or not the supply in the seas has been exhausted.


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[Assistant] You think his own bones were the product of fine breeding? He's had to put his house in hawk. His creditors have taken him to court. If you ask me, he's crazy to be out for a night on the town.


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[Assistant] The courtesan arranges her clothing so that the red silk undergarment will flip open to reveal a flash of white skin.


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[Assistant] When men witness such a sight, they go insane. And spend the money they are entrusted with.


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[Assistant] Even if it means literally losing their heads the next day. But most men only gape. Envious of the men who can pay the courtesan's price.


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[Assistant] Living only for the moment. Giving all our time to the pleasures of the moon, the snow, cherry blossoms and maple leaves.


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[Assistant] Never give a care if we had no money. Refusing to be disheartened. Like a gourd floating along the river current. This is what is called ukiyo. The floating world.


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[Assistant] Their culture was so developed that it was worthwhile writing back to Europe about the culture which they found, the language the Japanese spoke, and a very complex political system.


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[Assistant] And so I think this is a thing which one should bear in mind. This was the first time Europeans dealt with Asians on equal terms and not as conquerors and conquered people.


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[Assistant] They called them the southern barbarians, which is not a very flattering term. Their eating habits were rather different.


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[Assistant] And then of course the Japanese, most of the Japanese take a bath every day, whereas Europeans, I'm afraid in those days, went for months and months and months without taking a bath.


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[Assistant] These men were very, very zealous, and the conditions were rather good for the conversion of people to Christianity.


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[Assistant] When a Japanese lord or Japanese daimyo changed his religion, he would bring pressure on his people because he had absolute power of life and death on the people below him. And so you got in a relatively short, short period of time, large scale conversions.


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[Assistant] But there was another factor that some of the Daimyo-


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[Assistant] When they became Christian, they had certain considerations of commerce in the back of their mind. Because where the missionaries went, the Portuguese merchants went. And the Portuguese merchants offered very profitable trade, vis-a-vis Japanese.


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[Assistant] Now, the Tohoku girls had no divine right to rule Japan. They ruled Japan because they were the most powerful,


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[Assistant] If there were any philosophy, any political,


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[Assistant] movement that would bring these daimyo together as a coalition against the Tokugawa family, that was very dangerous.


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[Assistant] Ieyasu wanted to clear the board of all these foreign influences which were just muddying the waters, making life more complicated.


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[Assistant] And the many, many, many samurai in their thousands. And these were hard-bitten warriors.


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[Assistant] They still owed loyalty to Hideyoshi's family. And of course they owed just as much loyalty to his son.


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[Assistant] There had been religious wars in Europe, and the Catholic missionaries were not at all happy when they heard that an Englishman and an English Protestant had been washed up in Japan.


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[Assistant] You can't deny that William Adams did have a certain amount of influence


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[Assistant] Life was complicated enough without these pesky foreigners, uh, interfering. And so that probably was the reason why he did not want Christians in Japan.


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[Assistant] He was a Protestant, of course. Ieyasu knew that he had no interest in helping the missionaries. And so he was rather a valuable man to have around.


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[Assistant] And I think towards the end he lost his desire to go back to England because he knew he would just be a working class man in England where back in Japan he has 80 servants to wait and handle foot on him.


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[Assistant] That was the theory, didn't always work out in practice of course, but that at least was the theory.


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[Assistant] What makes this man interesting is that he wrote a report about Japan after he left Japan.


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[Assistant] And he was a very discerning man. He saw various aspects of Japanese life which other people had not seen.


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[Assistant] And then finally somebody clapped. End of audience. Not a word had been said. End of audience. And he goes out backwards on his knees.


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[Assistant] Because he realized the power Ieyasu had. Here was a powerful Daimyo who had power of life and death in his own region. But when he comes to pay tribute to the Shogun, what a lowly position he adopts.


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[Assistant] One has to bear in mind in this period of Japanese history that there was repression and that the Tokugawa authorities, the shogun, wanted to keep Japanese society as it was.


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[Assistant] For many of the Japanese Christians, the faith ran very, very deep indeed, especially in those areas where Christianity had really set down roots for three or four generations.


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[Assistant] Eradicate Christianity. Christianity was said to be evil, a wicked religion. Subversive religion. And so, that is why they took such extreme steps to eliminate the religion.


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[Assistant] Taxation against the peasants, leaving the peasants almost starving. What began as that?


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[Assistant] This was very upsetting. The peasants were the nurse of the low, the poor people. They had no right to rebel. They had, and not only had they rebelled and revolted, but they were doing darned well militarily.


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[Assistant] The Dutch were reluctant to take part in this campaign, but nevertheless, they desperately wanted to hold on to this toe hole which they had in trade with Japan.


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[Assistant] And the castle fell finally through starvation. And then followed a dreadful slaughter.


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[Assistant] And that was the last battle really in Jackie's history.


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[Assistant] We will cut off Japan from all Christian influence. Now how can you do that? We will isolate Japan.


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[Assistant] These foreigners, of course, so much trouble, I suppose he was thinking. They are an unnecessary complication to our life.


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[Assistant] So why not try to preserve Japanese society as is now? We don't want changes.


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[Assistant] A samurai warrior carried two swords on his hip, a long one and a short one. The short sword was for cutting open his abdomen. Why would a samurai cut open his abdomen? Well, Japanese, especially samurai, believed that the heart was in the belly.


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[Assistant] As a military leader, Ieyasu was a courageous man who never hesitated in battle.


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[Assistant] Everyone was watching to see how the great Ieyasu would ride his horse over this dangerous bridge. To his men's surprise, Ieyasu dismounted.


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[Assistant] Took the horse's reins in his hands and carefully led the horse over the bridge to the other side of the river. That's how vigilant he was.


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[Assistant] There's a story about a low ranking samurai who has to meet with him. He also listened attentively.


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[Assistant] Lords and vassals, superiors and inferiors, must observe what is proper within their position in life.


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[Assistant] Without authorization, no retainer may wear fine white damask, white wadded silk garments, purple silk kimonos, purple silk linings, and kimono sleeves which bear no family crest.


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[Assistant] Because you are my descendants, you will become shogun.


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[Assistant] As shogun, it is important that you rule the country for the benefit of the people, or you will be punished by heaven.


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[Assistant] Any informer revealing the whereabouts of the followers of priests must be rewarded accordingly.


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[Assistant] Wives and daughters must make meals three times a day, put on red headbands, and take the meals to the fields.


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[Assistant] Sisters-in-law and female cousins must put the chap feet of the man on the stomach of his wife and massage them.


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[Assistant] After we'd been in Japan five or six days, came a Portugal Jesuit who reported that we were pirates. We looked always that we should be set upon crosses, which is the execution of this land. I looked every day.


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[Assistant] I answered him yea, with the Spaniards and Portugals.


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[Assistant] He asked me diverse questions of my religion and what way we came to the country. From one thing to another, I abode with him till midnight.


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[Assistant] I desire that we might have trade with your country, the same as the Portuguese and Spaniards.


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[Assistant] I answered that I was no carpenter and had no knowledge thereof.


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[Assistant] Well, do your endeavor, saith he. If it be not good, it is no matter.


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[Assistant] And I have got them trading privileges as the Spaniards and Portuguese could never get in their 50 years in Japan.


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[Assistant] No one dares to attempt any opposition to the will of the Shogun.


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[Assistant] Whatever injustice the shogun may commit or into whatever extravagance of excesses he may plunge, they praise or approve of all.


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[Assistant] With every step they kick up their heels nearly to their backsides and at the same time thrust the opposite arm forward. It looks as if they're spinning in the air.


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[Assistant] The shogun is a great enemy to the name of Christians.


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[Assistant] I saw 55 martyred because they would not forsake their Christian faith.


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[Assistant] And amongst them, there were little children of five or six years old, burned in their mother's arms, crying out, Jesus, receive their souls.


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[Assistant] A few days after the outbreak, the Christians joined the farmers. They cry out throughout the whole country that the time had now come to revenge the innocent blood of so many Christians and priests, and that they are prepared to die for their faith.


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[Assistant] We are strictly and strongly guarded from the inside and the outside by various guards treating us not like honest men, but like criminals, traitors, spies, prisoners, or to say the least, hostages of the Shogun. This jail goes by the name of Dejima.


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[Assistant] I served them willingly and without charge in my profession with medicines, while cordially serving them European liqueurs. I questioned them about local matters, nature and secular and spiritual topics with total freedom.


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[Assistant] Indeed, at certain times of the year, they are as crowded as the streets of a populous European city.


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[Assistant] Each attaches herself to one particular traveler, starts up a rustic tune


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[Assistant] Outside tables also have a variety of biscuits of different colors and shapes on display. They are pretty to look at.


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[Assistant] Then they would go to work on the grounds of the Lord's estate. This they would do once every four or five days.


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[Assistant] The samurai would work only in the morning and then go home for lunch. At around two o'clock in the afternoon they would go out on the town.


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[Assistant] To Edo people, the Kabuki actors were like Hollywood stars.


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[Assistant] The fans would collect woodblock prints of their favorite actors, not only for the fun of collecting them.


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[Assistant] But also to see what fantastic costumes their favorite actors were wearing on stage. If the fans really liked a certain style or design.


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[Assistant] I have killed Wendy! Peter will be so pleased with me!


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[Assistant] I think this is a lady. She must be what Peter wanted to bring us.


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[Assistant] I have great news. I have found you all a mother.


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[Assistant] You should have seen her. She flew over this way.


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[Assistant] Tink told us to shoot the Wendy. She said that you wanted us to kill her.


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[Assistant] And don't come back here for a very long time.


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[Assistant] You must not touch a lady that is not respectful.


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[Assistant] But if she lies outside, she will certainly die, cried Tootles. We will have to build a house around her.


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[Assistant] Let's work, boys. Get all the tools and strong wood that you can find.


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[Assistant] We must build a house for Wendy, he told them. We are all her servants. Her servants? John cried.


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[Assistant] We'll build little walls and a roof, and we'll make a lovely door. Please tell us our mother, Wendy, do you want anything more?


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[Assistant] If you want to see her, you must first knock on the door, said Peter.


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[Assistant] You must always be very polite to Wendy and act like gentlemen.


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[Assistant] She's actually visiting me at the moment. I gotcha. Does she stay with you? Uh, she has recently, yea. So we, I have a roommate and now I have sort of an extra roommate that I've had for about a week now. Your mom? My mother, yes. How does the other


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, that's actually been the worst part of all of it, is that, um, he has a big, he's got a large beard, right? So he's down to like here or something. So every morning, uh, when I'm waking up and like doing my routine, I have to just take this like huge lump of hair out of the thing. My wife does that too. Yeah, she's, yeah. So, uhm, that's my one pet peeve maybe. Yeah, yeah.


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[Assistant] Hopefully not the sink. I haven't had to do the sink yet, so it's just the shower drain, and uhm, yeaah, it's gross.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I think it kind of brings people back, I mean there's been like a groundswell of support it seems like, of people that are really excited to, to, I don't know what it is, it's just a high school film and coming of age story that we've kind of seen before, but it's from a new perspective this time.


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[Assistant] That you remember from high school. Uhm, well, I do remember being just totally confused all the time. Yeah. In high school. Just constantly confused. And that's kind of what this character is. He's someone who's just trying to figure it out. He's going day by day. Right. And that's, I think anybody can relate to that.


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[Assistant] By the time you read this letter, I may be dead.


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[Assistant] I have so much to tell you, and perhaps very little time. Will I ever send it? I don't know.


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[Assistant] ...had its own reason beyond our poor understanding. If this reaches you, you will know how I became yours, when you didn't know who I was, or even that I existed. I think everyone has two birthdays. The day of his physical birth, and the beginning of his conscious life.


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[Assistant] I didn't see you that day, or for many days thereafter, but I could listen to your playing.


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[Assistant] Yes, I was blushing. And hard as it may be for you to realize, from that moment on, I was in love with you.


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[Assistant] What I really lived for were those evenings when you were alone and I pretended you were playing just for me.


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[Assistant] And though you didn't know it, you were giving me some of the happiest hours of my life.


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[Assistant] I didn't know what I had in mind or what my parents would do when they found me missing. All I wanted was to see you once more, to be near you again, to throw myself at your feet and cling to you and never leave you. Nothing else. Nothing else mattered.


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[Assistant] For what seemed endless hours, I sat outside your door, trying to keep myself awake, afraid I might fall asleep and miss you. Then...


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[Assistant] I was 18 now, and was expected to take my place in society.


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[Assistant] Vienna, when I saw it again, seemed to have taken on a new splendour. All the time I'd been away, I thought of it longingly as your city. Now it was our city. Madame Spitzer's where I found work, was the kind of establishment where one learns many things.


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[Assistant] For instance, I, I don't know if one day they'll make a, a wax figure of you and put you in there because you'll be so famous.


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[Assistant] Well, there weren't any trips. Do you mind? You see, my father had a friend in the travel bureau. My father worked across the street. He was an assistant superintendent of the municipal waterworks. And he used to bring folders home with him, with pictures in them. We have stacks.


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[Assistant] And, uh, in the evening he'd put on his traveling coat. That's what he called it. Uh, of course I was very young. And he would say, where shall we go this evening? And I would say, uhm, Veracruz, because it's a beautiful name.


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[Assistant] And then he would say, mmm, it's summer there, you don't want to roast like a coffee bean, do you?


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[Assistant] Tell me, when you climb up a mountain, what then?


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[Assistant] Two weeks. Stefan, how little you knew yourself. That train was taking you out of my life.


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[Assistant] When he was almost nine, as much for his sake as mine, I married. You know who my husband is. Johann Stauffer married me, knowing the truth about us and about our child. Oh, how lovely. Thank you, Johann.


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[Assistant] What a nice birthday. This, and Stefan home.


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[Assistant] Switzerland must be a very nice place, don't you think? Who gave it to you, darling? Your friend.


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[Assistant] His music teacher. He said he thinks I was a natural talent.


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[Assistant] All right, it's a special concession because it's your first night home. But hurry, I'm late.


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[Assistant] You know, Stefan, it might be nice if you could say, good night father, instead of good night sir.


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[Assistant] But I've always said it that way. I think you'd like it if you could manage a change. Supposing you said to me, good night, madam. It would sound pretty silly, wouldn't it?


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[Assistant] Suddenly, in that one moment, everything was in danger. Everything I thought was safe.


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[Assistant] It was like the first time I saw you. The years between were melting away.


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[Assistant] I know that, Johanna. I'd do anything to avoid hurting you, but I can't help it.


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[Assistant] I come to tell you about us. To offer you my whole life. But you didn't even remember me.


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[Assistant] We've raised you since you were a baby, given you the food of our table, purely out of the goodness of our hearts.


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[Assistant] This is the injection gun. These are the hoses, and the medicines and vaccines go through these.


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[Assistant] This is how you use the gun. You take it in this hand and inject the drugs into the fish.


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[Assistant] Just imagine, the fish is subjected to this, but it's not even sick.


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[Assistant] Without the protection of Pumalin Park, the forest will be facing disaster.


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[Assistant] Besides Chibi Panda, where is Gear God anyway? Do you have any idea?


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[Assistant] No, I highly doubt that. Don't you remember the last time we barged in there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so why waste our time with those morons? We need to save our strength for our match with Wisdom!


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[Assistant] One of them is called the Golden Years.


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[Assistant] I'm, you know, very confident, but that only doesn't, that doesn't always equal wins. You know, I just want to go out there, compete, play good football, play the type of football I know that I'm capable of, type of football I've been playing all off season, uh, you know, through training camp in the preseason and hopefully be able to continue that in the regular season. But it's going to be tough because we got a good matchup this week.


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[Assistant] Uhm, if that was the only work that I had, I would say no, it's not enough, you know, but with the joint practices, uhm, going against our defense and the way that we practice, you know, in a normal scenario, you know,


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[Assistant] It's, it's different, you know, uhm, you know, than what, what I'm, what I've been used to. So, uh, it felt like live bullets every day, you know, uh, guys getting close and, you know, bumping into you while you're making throws and all that kind of stuff.


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[Assistant] Will there be bumps? Maybe. You know, there's always week one, you'll go to week two and be like, oh, I can't believe it. What am I doing? You know, there's always those kind of things. Uhm, but hopefully not that much. You know, that, I mean, playing in the preseason was a


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[Assistant] You know, first for me for a while, you know, so just being able to get to do that, uhm, was, it was really exciting for me. One, and two, just kind of get that first wave of playing live football out of the way and then now hitting the real thing this week.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, different blitzes, all that kind of stuff. You get multiple coverages. They kind of scheme you up a little bit. Whereas in the preseason, you're just running your basic stuff. You know, you're not showing anything. You know, you're just really seeing who can rush, who can cover, who can block, who can catch, you know, who can throw. Uh, you know, it's very, very, pretty simple. And, uh, you know, the game isn't easy, but.


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[Assistant] Uh, for, for me as a veteran, I like it. Now if I'm a young player trying to make a team...


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[Assistant] You know, you don't get as many reps in those, you know, practices. You would, you would want seven preseason games, you know, to show what you can do and, you know, get better. So, you know, there's always.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I would say, uh, you know, we'll see, uh, you know, we have to go do it in the games. I like how we practice. I like, uh, the level of execution, uh, the demand from everybody, uh, the sense of urgency that everybody has, uh, you know, there's no pulling teeth here. Everybody's on it. You know, Mickey and D.A. wouldn't allow it, you know, and, uh,


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[Assistant] They bring guys in here that love to work. They're here early. You know, when I get here early, you know, I'm, I'm pulling up the same time and there's a wave of us pulling up and I was like, this is what it should be, you know, and, uh, you know, there's a lot of work and studying that needs to be done. When I go home here in a little bit, the work doesn't stop and the same thing for our guys. So I like where we're at in that aspect.


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[Assistant] You know, now we gotta go play the football games when it really matters, you know, and so, uh, but as a team, I feel like we're close, real united, uh, same purpose, same mindset.


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[Assistant] Everybody on the same page, got each other's back, all those good things that you want to see going into a football season.


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[Assistant] And, uh, but he never lies, uh, the imagery just made a little difference. Uh, he's a better storyteller than I am, but, uh,


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[Assistant] You know, I, I try my best with the young guys, you know, I say I'm 32, I'm the old guy, right? You know, uh,


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[Assistant] Foster's one of those guys that I loved from the beginning. He didn't say much his rookie year. He came in and just worked his butt off and he's a guy now that rookies can learn a lot from. You know, that he can be like, look, this is how I did it. This is how I've made a career for myself. And he's one heck of a player and I can't wait to watch him play this year here.


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[Assistant] For me, myself included, I want to start fast. Uhm, you know, come out the gates hot. Everybody's preaching that everybody wants to do that. The fact is that this week, half the teams are going, half teams are going to lose, you know, and does that mean the season's over? Absolutely not. We had a coach.


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[Assistant] I've had a coach fired, uh, you know, mid season and we still made the playoffs. You know, that was right after September, you know, and they told us that it had never been done before. Well, we were that team that went and made the playoffs. We're the only ones to do it.


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[Assistant] And so I think I've been through too much to say that if this happens or that happens, it's over. It's great. Like I'm going to show up and give my best every day. Uh, and I know this team will too. And hopefully, hopefully we start fast, but you want to finish even better.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm just ready to play. Uhm, you know, I, you know, was talking to the guys today, you know what?


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[Assistant] And it finally feels like this is what all the work was for. You know, you can feel like a...


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[Assistant] a sense of urgency, but you can feel a sense of peace too that, you know, it's that calmness before it really gets going that, you know, we know the level of expectation we have for each other. We know the level of expectation we have personally.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and you can feel that in every guy when you walk through. Everyone's confident, uh, but there is that urgency that everyone's coming to work with. And, uh, it's exciting because you can feel like everyone's ready to just cut it loose and let it go.


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[Assistant] Well, you can never just replace Alvin. You know, uh, you know, AK is, he's become one of my favorite football players, become one of my favorite teammates. He's, uh,


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[Assistant] Just the character and the teammate. Just love him, right? And sucks that we can't be around and talk with him right now and all those kind of things. But, you know, football is the ultimate next man up. You know, it's a team game. Alvin be the first one to tell you it's a team game. So.


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[Assistant] If I wasn't here, if he's not here tomorrow, anybody, you know, the saints are still going to continue to go on, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, Charles Woodson always told me, you know, when he left the Raiders, the Raiders are still going to continue to play football, you know, and that's the same mindset that I've always had that no matter what, and the message was no matter what, you just got to keep going.


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[Assistant] Go try and win no matter the situation, because at the end of the day, nobody cares. And so, uh, you know, we love Alvin. We care about him as a brother. He's our teammate. He's our friend. He's our family. Um, but right now, uh, he won't be there. So we gotta go play football and look forward to winning. Uh, hopefully get a couple of wins and then he can come back.


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[Assistant] Love Jamal. Again, great teammate. I'm sure you guys enjoy him. You know, he's a very entertaining guy, but when he puts the helmet on and walks between those lines, you can tell he's all business. You know, you appreciate that as a teammate for sure.


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[Assistant] Do you, do you want to go do it somewhere else? You know, your heart is so much there, you know, and you're torn and those emotions. So yeah, I had people I talked to about that for sure. And, uh, how they dealt with it, how they, you know, did certain things. And, you know, at the end of the day,


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[Assistant] And, uh, you know, I thought it was wise counsel. You know, I, I wasn't trying to make a decision all by myself. I sought out people I know had been through that situation. It was the first time for me. And so, uh, I'm just excited, man, you know, to, to start over. Uh, you know, I get everything I do is the first time here. So I'm just trying to.


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[Assistant] Not trying to prove anybody any wrong. I'm just trying to prove Mickey, D.A., Pete, my teammates right, you know, that, uhm, you know, this city, city of New Orleans, trying to prove them right, you know, that this was a good decision and, uh, I look forward to doing that hopefully all season.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'm not gonna say alright. This is me beginning a podcast without the word alright.


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[Assistant] Alright, so uhm, hey, this is Nojumper. We're a podcast where we interview interesting, fascinating, important people. Some have called us the coolest podcast in the world. No comment. But today we have the one and only Andreas aka Golgo.


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[Assistant] Uh, so let's point this right at your mouth. Okie dokie. Yeah, sorry about that. Uhm, alright, so uhm, you are an artist from Mexico City. Yup. Let's start there. Okay. Let's start with Mexico City. Tell me about the area where you grew up.


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[Assistant] Okay, and so, uh, tell me about yourself as a child. Were you, uh, what kind of family were you born into? And, uh, were you, uh, did you recognize the artistic tendency in yourself early on?


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Right. And so, uh, when you say that they were artists, what kind of art were they into? Do you remember the sort of art that you were exposed to as a kid? Do you have any early memories of that?


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[Assistant] And was that, was that because your parents recognized this tendency in you? Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] So, so from your first early memories when you were a kid, you can remember that you just sort of gravito- gravitated towards a pen or a paintbrush?


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[Assistant] Do you remember when you realized that you were good at it? Or that you had talent with it?


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[Assistant] How did you, uh, perceive, uh, graffiti as a kid? Like, was it considered, like, this huge cr- Like, in America, the graffiti's kinda interesting because it's like, you can really go to jail for it. But I'm assuming at that time, in Mexico City, it probably had a different perspective.


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[Assistant] Was there ever a time period where you got strictly into like traditional graffiti, just doing letters and doing pieces and that kind of stuff? Was that ever your thing?


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[Assistant] Went through the process in your head of vandalizing something?


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[Assistant] Right. Okay, so that was kind of your vehicle for just being out in the streets and everything. Would you be more likely to do graffiti like in a nicer area in Mexico City or were you guys going into the ghettos and finding low key areas?


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[Assistant] Right. Uhm, so what about skateboarding? Was that like something you were passionate about early on or was it just sort of a way to get around?


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[Assistant] Okay, so let's go back to the transition sort of out of being a graffiti kid, just starting to move past that. Like what was your, uh, what did you start to dip your toes into? Was it just doing fine art at first?


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[Assistant] And everybody who's even slightly successful is just shit on by them more than anything else probably, uh.


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[Assistant] Right. So you, you finished sort of your like graffiti career and you start to move in different directions. What were those directions specifically? Like what did your, how did your lifestyle change and did you start being in the house a lot more working on stuff or?


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[Assistant] So when you first got a job at this design house, what kind of work were you doing and was that?


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[Assistant] Was that a very different thing? Because obviously in your feeding you're just following your heart doing whatever pops into your head.


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[Assistant] All of a sudden you're working at a design house having to take on assignments and stuff, I would assume.


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[Assistant] But so you quit your normal job to start doing fine art? But did you see the fine art thing as being potentially profitable?


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[Assistant] Are you the kind of person that you just get unhappy if you feel like you're not following or progressing in your art and stuff? Yeah. I think a lot of people, yeah, that's the type of person that ends up being like a prominent artist and everything. So you get more into fine art and stuff.


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[Assistant] What do you, how do you monetize that? Do you try to sell your works? Do you start trying to like, you know, I don't, I'm not sure how that path goes.


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[Assistant] Right. It's harder financially because there's probably not as many prospective buyers and that kind of thing.


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[Assistant] And at the time in Mexico, like what was the reaction to the sort of street art based stuff that you were doing at the time and everything? Like was, did you feel like your style was, was, was in vogue that people wanted to buy this kind of stuff or wanted to be involved with it?


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[Assistant] Did you feel like, did you have a lot of run-ins with the police early on in terms of doing graffiti or did they not really understand? Graffiti never. Really?


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[Assistant] Really? And you ever get caught, like arrested or anything? Nah, I just ran. Yeah. Are cops in Mexico, what is their attitude towards graffiti? Is it pretty serious to get caught?


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[Assistant] That sounds pretty good in terms of uh, you know, if you want to be a graffiti artist, Mexico sounds like an alright place if you could spend five bucks as you get a jail free card.


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[Assistant] Even better. You saved the five bucks. Wow, this is quite a racket you got going on here. So you started doing this like fine art stuff and then like what was your next major transition after that or what were you doing to make money during that time?


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[Assistant] And at this point you never traveled outside of Mexico as well, right? Uh, no.


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[Assistant] That's the good thing about dealing with a big company is that it's not as hard to push them out.


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[Assistant] Really? And so, at this point, what is your opinion of your career? Like, did you consider yourself to have just hit the, hit the fucking lottery? Like, was this more than you had ever expected to get from art?


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[Assistant] But it must have been a real thrill as an artist to get that opportunity and did you feel like that kinda like skyrocketed you past a lot of your peers in that regard?


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[Assistant] Once they realized though, was there a little bit of like tribal loyalty there in terms of uh, people in Mexico being proud of you having one of their own who's doing things?


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[Assistant] So you hear from a lot of young kids who are like artists or graphic designers in Mexico who are like inspired by it? Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] And so, so what? You were just a big fan of wrestling. Let's talk about that. What is, what is it about the Mexican, uh, wrestling that appeals to you so much? Cause it's real. It's real.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, yeaah. And even when you were watching it when you were super young, it was like that?


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[Assistant] So what was, what was an early, like, experience, like, one of your early, uh, wrestling matches that you would have gone to, like, what would have been you and your dad going to this sort of thing?


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[Assistant] Did it occur to you at the time that there was any sort of uh, fakeness in this? That they weren't actually beating each other to death?


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[Assistant] Uh, I know, you know who it was? It was that one dude who was supposed to be like Saddam Hussein. He was like a middle eastern, uh...


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, this is gonna piss me off that I can't remember, but, you know, cause Hulk Hogan was also doing promo for a movie at the time, and I, and he, you know, got his face burnt, and I asked my mom, like, how can he be on this interview when he just had his face burnt and got third degree burns on his face supposedly in wrestling, and she said, Adam, it's fake, and I cried my eyes out. I was so upset at the idea that this could be fake, you know, like,


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[Assistant] So I guess that you might got lucky in a way that you didn't have to have it broken to you at the time?


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[Assistant] And were you always, uh, super into- did all these wrestlers wear the mask, such as the one you're wearing now? A lot, yea. Most of them, yea. And what was that, just to hide their identity, or was it just part of the- It's a superhero thing.


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[Assistant] They just give you a handshake or whatever. So you would buy a lot of the masks as a kid?


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[Assistant] But by the time you started working for Nike and doing that kind of stuff, were you already sort of known as messing with us? Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] Right. What about you as, what age would you have been when you were totally fucking freaked out by Mexico? Oh, excuse me, by Hong Kong?


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[Assistant] And did it totally blow your mind how different this place was? Yeah. Cause I can't think of two any more different cultures probably than like deep into Mexico and then Japan.


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[Assistant] So how did you get the, uh, what name came first? Was it the xgetto666? That was my graffiti name. Oh, so that was actually your piecing name. Yeah. Okay.


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[Assistant] Everybody had the one. I think I did too when I was a little graffiti rat when I was like 15, yea.


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[Assistant] Right, so he was a hero of yours, uh, as an artist? Yeah. Even when you were young?


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[Assistant] So were you, so were you dreaming about going to New York or LA at the time when you were living in Mexico City?


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[Assistant] And especially being in Mexico City, you probably just don't think you have, like the opportunity to do that probably seems so remote.


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[Assistant] Right, so uhm, what's like the next step after uh, after that, after you started doing Mass for your hero and you went to Japan and everything?


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[Assistant] You still have the copies of it and stuff? Yeaah. Wow. That must have been insane.


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[Assistant] So at this point, do you feel like you really made it? Like you're really successful in this regard?


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[Assistant] And so it did, it got pretty much dismissed. Wow. That's intense.


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[Assistant] And was it just constant stress over this? But were you ever really scared that you were gonna have to come out of pocket or was it supposed to be Nike?


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[Assistant] And so you talked to your lawyer and they were concerned as well? What the fuck? You don't go to jail for copyright infringement in America, do you? No, not really.


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[Assistant] And he was probably just in his old age, running out of money.


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[Assistant] So what about after that, like what's the next step in your career? Uh, so I keep waiting for you to get involved in like clothing and fashion and stuff at a certain point here, right?


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[Assistant] You couldn't do anything during the, during the lawsuit. Oh wow. That must have held you back like crazy though, huh?


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[Assistant] So it was a big shift in your art. Were you really angry at the time at the idea that like, oh I've been using this imagery my whole career and now you're trying to take this away from me just because of some bullshit lawsuit?


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[Assistant] Right. You were doing the right thing, so you didn't think about the legal aspect of it, yeah. Wow, that's fucking crazy. So when did you first start to transition into doing more clothing and stuff after all that? Or so you completely changed your style of art, and then-


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[Assistant] See, I lived in New York for a long time and I didn't know about it. I guess I'm not paying enough attention, but... Probably, but you know, it's... Yeah, yeah, it's niche things.


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[Assistant] Right. So when you started working with them, like what kind of, what direction did you go in? Was it strange for you to transition and doing like full clothing lines and stuff?


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[Assistant] So did you feel really bored with the work that you were doing for a while? Because brands, obviously in streetwear, the brands, they just want to copy each other and they just want to, you know.


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[Assistant] Did you, did you leave Sir on bad terms or was it alright? Yeah, I left on bad terms. Okay. What was that? Was it just, you were bored or did you just like not like dealing with Russ or what was the deal?


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[Assistant] But what about, uh, what about this Blackscale collab as well? Was that soon after you left, sir?


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[Assistant] What's, what's, uh, but do you know Blackscale, you know those dudes well? And like, was it a different direction that you tried to go in in terms of the work on that project?


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[Assistant] Yeah, you've really stuck with this dark theme in your work in general, wouldn't you say? Like, is that, why do you think you gravitate towards that?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, do you think that it's like, you know, you used a lot more crazy colors when you were in your graffiti, whereas it was tends to be more colorful and then you kind of got older and you sort of, you sort of start to see black as being like the basis for everything? Is that, is it something like that where you're sort of drawn to simplicity?


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[Assistant] That's good. Hey, what year, there's a crazy video of you, uh, doing a huge mural in Mexico City with Futura. What year was that? And, uh, tell me about what that project was like.


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[Assistant] So you were still living there? When did you actually move to America?


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[Assistant] The, the, the art on the wall is still the same as it was then? Okay. And then you ever worked on a wall, like, of this size? Cause this is a gigantic side of a building.


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[Assistant] And he's saying in the video, he's saying how it's not really a future piece, how he wanted to incorporate local artists and he wanted to like sort of have it be yours in a sense. Uh, so what's like the conversation like when you're dealing with like a legendary artist like that and he wants it to be part you?


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[Assistant] Yeah. It's crazy how shit, yeah, I mean.


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[Assistant] I've had that, that moment many times at BMX where the guys that I fucking grew up looking up to are just sitting right across from me doing interviews or doing anything and it's just, it's weird when you get to that point because all of a sudden it's like you, you look, you look up to people so much as a kid and then all of a sudden you're one of them and it's, you'll always have that little feeling of inferiority or like am I supposed to be in this position? Am I supposed to be working with these people?


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[Assistant] When did it, uh, become an option for you to design bikes? Not our bikes, but these other bikes that you did beforehand?


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[Assistant] When you were running your own, uh, brand, was that your first time really running your own, your own brand, like you taking care of all the little details as opposed to just working for somebody else? Do you like that? Do you consider yourself better as just an artist or do you, do you like the managerial side and the production and everything?


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[Assistant] Right. So if it was up to you, you would just be camped out in your studio working all the time, right? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] So, you have some guys that you work with now, uh, Arnold, and you, you have your own space, uh, on Fairfax, or on Melrose, excuse me, and, but are those the guys who are more comfortable dealing with the production and dealing with the, the behind the scenes stuff?


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[Assistant] And how did you transition to that? And is there an official name for your little crew there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, well I guess in the meantime I'll ask more about, uh, some other lists of people that I've seen you work with, uh, how did you, you did a Misfits thing.


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[Assistant] So at this point I'm gonna transition over to Rob and ask you, Rob, when did you first become aware of Andreas and his work?


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I could sit here all day and talk about like what OSS means to me and what the brand means and everything, but what do you, from working with us for like the past year or so, how do you, uh, how do you view it?


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[Assistant] See, that's a big thing, like when me and Rob started working together on the brand and everything, it was all...


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[Assistant] We always said from the beginning, we need to make BMX bigger and we need to give BMX a profile in terms of being in popular culture, at least like, you know, popular underground culture, popular fashion culture and that kind of thing. Like we've all seen skate brands be able to make that crossover.


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[Assistant] And for us, it was really important. It's like, this is what, this is what I want to do with my life over the course of the next few years or whatever is I want to be able to make a BMX brand that could, that could stand on its own next to all these other brands and actually get us the respect that I think we deserve because I spent my whole life obsessed with this shit, you know? So I mean, yeah, I think we've definitely made a lot of good strides in that regard.


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[Assistant] How do you, uh, what were your first thoughts when you figured out that you were going to get to design some BMX bikes for Brandon?


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[Assistant] Cause he's his very own special type of retard, yeaah.


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[Assistant] It was a big deal too to, to even get a different graphic designer because we had been working with Scotty for a long time and he's like, he's the one who made the on some shit box logo, like he basically designed it with some help from me and he's done like so much stuff for us over the years. I don't want to like undermine his contribution. It was, cause that was such a big decision for us to like kind of,


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[Assistant] Start working with someone who's not like directly involved in BMX and like, you know, but we wanted somebody that had more of a experience in terms of a,


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[Assistant] I was just saying, you know, with Scotty, I mean, he did so much important stuff for us early on, so I don't want to undermine his contribution at all in terms of talking about Andreas, because that was a big deal for us, because we never really made a significant switch in terms of designers and stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, he doesn't need any special props on his own because he's already pretty successful on his own, right?


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[Assistant] Do you relate to like street wear as a whole? Do you feel any kind of connection to that whole community? How do you feel when you walk down Fairfax and Melrose? Is this something you still care about?


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[Assistant] Right, and I mean you look at it and it's like a lot of times in the street world or whatever and this is probably the problem is that it feels like it's a bunch of people who are joined together by commerce.


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[Assistant] Rather than people who give a fuck about any sort of artistic progression or anything, any kind of change in the world. It's just a bunch of dumb fucks trying to make money and I think that's why people are kind of grossed out by the whole vibe that street wear itself gives off a lot of times, right?


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[Assistant] I feel ya. So is there anything uhm, that we really kind of glossed over here? Important moments in your career that I'm missing that didn't make it into my notes here?


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[Assistant] There's a video of you on some like Spanish TV show when you were really young I think in Mexico and it's got like 300 views and it's just you being interviewed but I couldn't understand it because uh,


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[Assistant] I want people to look at it and see what we are, but then at the same time it's like, I want them to see what it's gonna look like in six months or a year or whatever because I just know that it's gonna keep growing and changing so much going forward. Because there's, you know, there's a million and one fucking street wear brands, but there's not that many that actually have something behind it. And with us, it's like, we have an actual fucking, you know, if you look at our


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[Assistant] Cause we all know the positive impact that it had on us. Like I could look at my life and say like things would have gone very different if I didn't have this thing to put all my effort into.


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[Assistant] For sure. And so if people wanted to keep up with what you got going online or look at all your work, what would be the required URLs?


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[Assistant] Uh, thank you very much to Rob and Brandon for co-hosting and shout out to Nate Richter for filming. And he has green hair. And he has green hair. We're going to be designing a whole new line of green hair based, uh, yeaah, it's organic.


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[Assistant] Nah, what did it come from? It came from, I just did DJ Lucas, DJ Lucas, like that. Right. And I made a song called Hands, and it was way back in the day, and it was, uh... That's a good one.


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[Assistant] DJ, cause I put it in, I cut DJ Lucas off, did that echo thingy.


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[Assistant] We're all about, you know, our videos where we put in the, the be real. The details. Yeah, the be real, the details, like the real shit, the like shit that like other people would be maybe embarrassed, you know?


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[Assistant] Uhm, Ballerina was made by my friend Dominic and...


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[Assistant] It was shot on like VHS cameras, which we always use. A lot of people are like, oh, you guys use VHS effects? And we actually use VHS cameras. So that's one thing. Uhm, and yeaah, I mean, same for every video, we pretty much just meet up on the spot.


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[Assistant] And that was pretty much it, we didn't really think about it man, we just...


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[Assistant] We didn't see, yea, we were, we were influenced really by, like, my father, you know? So we weren't really influenced by, like, as far as me and my brother, you know, who, who, who really, you know, began this shit with a bunch of the team, you know?


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[Assistant] I got it maybe like my mom had one and we got passed on to us when I was in like 6th grade so we started like, maybe 5th grade even, so we started like


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[Assistant] filming videos on the camera, you know, right here and shit, and, and just making videos like that. Uhm, and- And at what age? Dana has a rap video from when he was in-


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[Assistant] I was in bands, but my first rap song that was ever recorded is definitely with my brother and my friend Lang when I was in 9th grade. When I was in 9th grade and then they were named.


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[Assistant] I had, you know- You weren't like a cross-punk? We in, uh, we, uh, my homie Lucas is here. We were really, you know, we were really on the- this fool was really on the dog collar thing sometimes, the little kid.


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[Assistant] I probably wouldn't do it, but I would rock like, uh, I'm rocking the Pearl, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I suppose, I got it because I got my right ear pierced when I was 18.


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[Assistant] Nah, I don't even know if they did, you know? It was, it was on my birthday, it was free, and my, my first girlfriend ever worked at this place, so I went there, and she was there, and some weird person did it, you know? And I got the pearl because I was just like, no one rocks a pearl.


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[Assistant] No, no, no, no, no, no. I got this one when I was 18. Oh, okay. And then, uhm, I got the pro maybe a year after that. So I've been rocking the pro for a good, like, three years, though.


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[Assistant] Uh, I dropped out of high school. I did okay in school. Okay. Yeah. But you dropped out. I dropped out in 10th grade the day I turned 16. Because you were too punk or what? Nah, I just didn't like school. Okay. And I just was like...


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[Assistant] I don't know, my parents just let me rock with it really. They were kind of like, you just can't really like, I wasn't really like smoking weed and like doing stuff like that, at least they didn't know. I was doing it a little bit, but I wasn't really like.


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[Assistant] That is sometimes, but not, not, you know, I'm not like I'm going places and people are like, they definitely talk to me about it, but they don't, they don't say, are you


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. It just depends on the town really. Right, yeah. And like when it, yeah, it just depends on the town and also depends on the, uhm, I mean there's bums in every town, you know, but it's like really when, when it affects like households is when it becomes like a problem, you know, and that's like what's happening to an extent, definitely in New England.


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[Assistant] That's why, that's like the Dark World M.O. man is like repping small towns like real shit like and that's why Sly's involved in My Man Sly C and shit.


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[Assistant] Yeah man, but we're in the woods. Kinda, you know. You gotta own the woods.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't have from shit, man. I really like will say, you know, I'm fucking in this music and like that's when I realized, man, it's like my, my story is dope, you know, just because it's, it's like hip hop and you know, I'm just going to do me like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, honestly, me and my brother, we did some interpretive dances at camp. Yeah, we did some weird shit. We were just like, you know, rolling around the stage, like some Enya going on. Shoutouts to Enya. We got the tattoo.


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[Assistant] I'm trying to make a song with you if you see this.


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[Assistant] Yeah man, that's just what it is though at the end of the day, it's just like, the eyes are on big cities, you know? It's like, people love Biggie, people love Pac, but Pac is really LA, like Biggie's really New York, you know? And that's, the eyes were on that shit, but if the eyes are on,


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[Assistant] Yeah man, why, I transitioned to rapping because I moved, well, on some real shit, the first song I ever made was a song called Deceit and Lies, and it was by my man Louie Goh, shoutout to Louie Goh. He's really who taught me to rap on some real shit, that's my guy.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and he's from Amherst and shit too, but we made a song cause he was always just like, bro, we would freestyle. He'd be like, bro, you're nice. I'm really, I'm like out of high school at this point, like I'm 23 right now. Uhm, and so like I was probably like,


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[Assistant] I wasn't 21 yet, I was 20. I was 1920, you know, and I made some songs with him, and I had a verse I wrote in my mind called For Deceit and Lies that I had in my head for, like,


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[Assistant] I moved to New York and shit by myself, uhm, in with, uh, my homie who lived up there, Teddy, and, uh, and I moved into the Heights on 163rd in New York City and I was alone and I've always been around all the homies or the bands, so I've never been by myself.


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[Assistant] You know, and, and I was like, making beats, making beats, but like I, you know, I always had a lot to say in rock or something, or at least, you know, helping the other homies with lyrics or something. So I had no voice. So then I was like, alright, I'm, I'm gonna hear my alone.


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[Assistant] I'm out in New York by myself. I'm gonna just rap on these songs for fun, like not thinking anyone would fuck with it. And then little enough, like I've been fucking with Sly.


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[Assistant] Maybe two years before I was even rapping. Three years even maybe.


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[Assistant] For a long time, since this kid was like 15, dumb shit, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely liked and subscribed, definitely commented, you know, all that. That's my guy. Always beautiful and supported him through afar before I really knew him. And then he, I made this one song called Cry and Shit, and he really, he posted a video of him dancing to it. And that's when I was like, yo, if Sly likes this


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[Assistant] Nah, nah, it started with punk bands, two punk bands, or like three punk bands specifically. My band's Lucas Cram and Eric the Rat and Noah from Show Me the Body. They had a little fuckin', uh, they had a band called Rat Clone, Communal Suicide.


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[Assistant] And then we had a little band called World, that was me and my brother and my homie Chris. And then we had a little band called Taxidermist, that was Lucy and Sal.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was a long time ago, I guess, is what I mean. Right. You know, we were young, we started those bands in 10th grade and stuff, so. Right. The schools were in like 9th grade and they started their band, my band started in 10th grade, so. And so was it just like a grab?


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[Assistant] So, I was always making beats since a really young age too, so beats were always a part, and uh, and uh, Dana was making beats, and there was a couple other fools rapping and stuff like that. So, you know, yeaah, we came up as a, as a mixture, definitely. Also video, skate.


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[Assistant] You know, whatever. You scared? I don't really say it like that, but some of the younger homies skated.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, but we weren't really skaters. I'm not gonna say we're skaters, but we made like cool skateboards and shit like that and we like, you know, gave them to the kids in our town who really were good at skating and like, and like rep them.


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[Assistant] Yeah man, I just really care about lyrics, that's really what it is, cause my favorite rapper is Lil Wayne, like forever, probably always will be, and like Dedication too, you know, that style mixtape era he had, Lil Louisiana, all that stuff. Those lyrics were just so, were so witty, but also like deep, and you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] But Wayne is like, I know he has it in him, he has it in him like all day, like there's times where he, they drop songs on Hot New Hip Hop of Wayne that no one hears, like it's a song at random, so they're like, I can't even remember it's called, like something No DJ or something. It was some random, like just a little freestyle shit, and it was like, oh man, like the same Wayne. But then you know, it's just, it's just what it is, I feel like he's just getting bred.


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[Assistant] We just want to hear his music. And man, I listen to every tape, even if I know it's, I'm not gonna, it's gonna be like, I know one or two songs, I'm gonna be like, I'll put that in my Wayne playlist, like, that song is fire.


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[Assistant] Yeah, shit like that. Definitely grew up on that kind of stuff a lot. Like made me want to like make music, you know? Right. At a young age. Beach Boys, you know, Pet Sounds.


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[Assistant] Jesus is definitely my favorite band of all time. Definitely of all time. If I was in any one band, like only, Jesus is definitely GOAT.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my dad is a god. I've been doing, yeah, my dad is, is, is, is a real punk. This is all it is.


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[Assistant] That's something I like a little bit more, I don't like the like, you know, the ten second, like, suck my ass it smells, you know, song called that.


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[Assistant] But we're the size of like, you know, we're smaller than Texas. You know what I mean? Like we're all together. Like if you, the New England punk scene's very small. If you're a Boston band that's popping, you're probably going to Portland, Maine. You're probably going to Portsmouth, Hampshire. You're probably going to Burlington or Brattleboro. So everyone kind of knows each other a little bit if you start going out there, you know?


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[Assistant] I don't consider myself a part of a Boston hypocrisy. I grew up in Boston and I moved out in like fourth grade into, uh, like in the summer between third and fourth grade to Amherst, which is about an hour and a half from Boston.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, definitely. I mean, I grew up, I think of myself as growing up in all of Mass, like Eastern and Western. But uhm, you know, I was really born in Eastern, raised in Western, so like, Western is what I like to claim. But uhm,


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[Assistant] Boston is like, you know, there's no real rapper you can name out of Boston other than cuz this is on some real shit right now. And that's why we show him a lot of love, like, we all just listen to his music, like, I mean his music's fire, but you know, we also, we really OD on his music cuz we're from Mass on some real shit, like, when we're driving around we play that all day.


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[Assistant] Did he? And really, I'm doing whatever Drake says. I didn't know he did. He did. I just know he's playing the big Boston show, the big one. I don't remember his called.


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[Assistant] I feel that on a level, I wouldn't say it's a disenfranchised.


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[Assistant] Awesome, awesome shit, cause like, at least where I'm from, you know what I mean? There's like, there's people who are like,


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[Assistant] Not well off everywhere, but like, but like, yeaah, I feel you, like yeaah, because like yeaah man, hip hop is poppin' right now and, and, you know, white kids don't think they can be a part of it sometimes. Yeaah. It's just about being real, it's just about being honest and just like, being true to yourself at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] And just like discussions man, like words just solve shit. I grew up a Quaker, so.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's like a Christian religion. It's more like a way of life as well, right? Yeah, you know, Quakers really like, you know, it was, they were the first, they were, they were on some like, they were like, we're going to remove ourselves from the Christian church, but still be like some.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I don't do it regularly at all. But like yeaah, I've done it, you know? You know, in the last 4 years I've done it a couple times.


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[Assistant] No, it's not Jesus. Oh, it's not. It's not. It's like, we don't even believe in God really. We believe like God is a part of everyone. Like God is nature. God is like life. Like God is a concept.


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[Assistant] Okay, so like pretty much like he's goes to UMass and shit He's doing his little radio show and like I was the one of the first interviews and shit, you know And he's really out here like going hard like he met RA the rugged man and like a diner Wow, he's like, yeah He really hasn't done interviews. So like it's just funny that you've seen it. Nice


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[Assistant] You know why though? Because I really, I don't know why, I can't say that, but like at the end of the day, I just really worked hard, man. I worked really hard. And I like gave, you know, I really went through, I really did this. I really put my face out there. I don't know. It's just, I'm happy to be here. It makes me fucking blessed, bro.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't, I can't put it in a list like that, but like, you know, you just go on YouTube and you're gonna find the hits. Like, I feel like the hits could attach to each other, you know? Like, a lot of homies have made really good songs, and like, there's some homies, you know, that people only know one or two songs, but they're really good songs, and you know, it's a really talented crew, so, but you know, there's a fucking, I mean, Dark World is just like, it's just a crew, man, like, we've just been,


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[Assistant] Luke is like, you gotta be, yeah man, I don't know, my mom can call me Luke.


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[Assistant] He's just, yea man, he really, I mean, he definitely lived up to it. Like, he's definitely just, he just keeps it real. He's just my guy. He's just a nice ass dude, also though, but like, you know, he's, he's choppa man. He's fucking choppa.


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[Assistant] Yeah, my man was just chilling. We were just making music, man. And it was nice. He bought me some food and shit. He showed me some love. Where'd you guys go? Uh, we went to a gas station and shit. He was like, you ever had a gyro? And I was like, nah, honestly. I've seen him and shit in the south, but I haven't really had it. He was like, I'm gonna get you one. I was like, bet.


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[Assistant] Antonio's, I guess, if he likes pizza, like, it's good pizza. Really, really good pizza. I think.


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[Assistant] You know what, man, Duncan is not good, is good anywhere other than New England. They really know how to make it. And if you pull up to some small town, it's different. If you pull up to some town in New Hampshire, some small town, you're gonna see, oh, that's like the prime Duncan. That's like going to the, oh.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I get a sausage and cheese on a croissant with no egg, cause the egg is really weird.


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[Assistant] Yeah, but the sausage and cheese like, you know, the meat is like the same as some McDonald's meat, so I can't really like-


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[Assistant] Very true. I mean, it's, it's out there, it's in the Trick-A-Pee area, you know, Holyoke, all that, but uhm, but we don't, we just got Wendy's, McDonald's, Dunkin'. A lot of Dunkins'.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the, the, oh god, what is it, like the maple glazed. Maple glazed, okay, that's the real New England shit.


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[Assistant] Man, I don't know, but Duncan is really doing it right, and they should sponsor me.


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[Assistant] Nah, I can't smoke weed unless it's out backwards. It's been a while.


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[Assistant] You know, we have a split household in some ways, you know, like some, you know, decisions aren't always, you know, my parents don't always agree. I'll put it that way, like with politicians, you know.


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[Assistant] Oh man, I was a huge soccer fan growing up, you know, like a lot of kids were, you know, into sports, so I'm not keeping up with them, but I know the names, I know the faces, if they're going to the playoffs, I'm watching it, you know, but I'm a Celtics fan, like I'll watch their regular season games on some Celtics.


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[Assistant] You will. Yeah, I'm trying to like start a little thing where I like DJ plays anyone, like I'm gonna challenge people. And like I'm gonna put up a YouTube video and like we'll see, you know, who really plays ball out here, cause I'll really play ball.


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[Assistant] I really play, like I really will go play, you know, in the boots, in my Tims, in my fucking jeans, like I don't...


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[Assistant] I was just doing that, a lot of kids at Western Mass are like, alright, you know, we're three hours from New York City, so it's like you moved to Boston, you moved to New York, that's some kid's path, that's a path. But then you didn't like it or what?


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[Assistant] Facts, facts. That's why I moved to New York, then I came back, then I had a little, you know, I got a little clout, and boom, I got a little sublet out there. That's when I met you officially. First time I met him, I was actually, like, I DJ'd an art show that this man put on way back in the day in Harlem, and he had a little art show and shit for Nocturnal Sons Posse, which is their squad, and he was just like, who the fuck is this random guy with a red po-


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[Assistant] There's no one's fucking with the Yankees. Yeah. You know, and if you are from New York and you moved to Boston, just don't bring the hat.


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[Assistant] This shit is, yeaah. You know, it's all sorts of shit. It's all sorts of shit. But man, Amerson's shit, like Hadley, like...


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[Assistant] It's just, man, it's just really white. That's just all it is at the end of the day. It's just really white. It's just like, we don't know how, you know, where I'm from, people are like, oh, we're not racist, but like, they're just not around people of color, so they don't even really know. So that's just what it is at the end of the day. You just gotta experience the world, and like, you just gotta go out and like, just learn, and just rock with, you know, all kinds of people. But like, where I'm from, yeaah, it's just super white, you know?


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[Assistant] I mean, you know what it is, man. You're from New Hampshire. Fucking Maine is the whitest state in New Hampshire. These are the whitest states in the country if you look on paper, so.


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[Assistant] It's just what it is. I wouldn't say that, you know, people are just, all people are racist, not at all, but it's just, it's just a super white place.


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[Assistant] It's just, it's just like, you know, you know how everyone who's listening to this shit is, is from a town where there's really white towns around. So they know how those people are. And so yea, you know, it's just what it is.


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[Assistant] I'm going to the top. I want to make songs on the radio. I want to fucking direct movies.


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[Assistant] I wanna do everything. We're gonna make TV shows, we're gonna do all that. And I don't want to, we're going to. Are you planning on making the move out to LA? Yeah, I live in my car right now.


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[Assistant] But you have to go, you have to leave soon, right? No. I mean, I'm going to Santa Fe tomorrow morning. Okay. Yeah, for a show. Nice. What are you playing with? I don't know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it'll be fun. And then I'm going to New York and I'll come back here. Nice. I'll be back here on the 17th. But I'm, anyone who wants to book me or anything on the west coast, man, I'm trying to do this stuff, man. I'm on the underground punk life. You hit me up. There's no one else.


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[Assistant] These fools are talented as fuck, and we're out here man, and there's a lot of people that are about to-


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[Assistant] Go up. I'ma be real. It's a whole, it's a whole movement. It's not just me, you know, I'm just a, I just got the little thingy going on. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's a couple cities, but you know, we're putting on New York, we're putting on Mass, and we're putting on, you know, small towns like Springfield, Tennessee. Some random shit. We're gonna be, we're gonna be dropping shit where people are like, damn, what the heck is this?


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[Assistant] Like, yeaah, I really love when kids from Mass hit me up and are like, yo, I know that restaurant you talked about. You know, I said, I said.


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[Assistant] I said, uh, Salem on Halloween, Manchester by the Sea, Murphy's Pub on Halloween or some shit about Salem, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, those are my guys, man. And I love when kids make music out of where I'm from, and I love that we inspire kids to make music from where I'm from and show them that there's like a way. And this man is doing that in Springfield. That's what I'm trying to say is like, we just try to find the ambassadors of the little towns, you know? You know, that's like, that's really some dark world shit. We really will find some, you know what I mean? Really, the small towns.


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[Assistant] Shouts out to the bunnies, one of the most inspiring bands I've ever seen, and they're from where I'm from, the bunnies. My mans is in a wheelchair and he's, he uhm, you know, he doesn't, he can't really, he doesn't have a lot of movement, mobile, you know. He sings? No, but he plays drums, and he plays guitar, he plays everything, and he's wild!


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[Assistant] Throwing a car door across the room with a touch microphone on it. Some real noise shit. Like where I'm from is really on some noise shit. So we grew up.


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[Assistant] Thinking any music was, that's why our music can be experimental sometimes and shit like that is because we really grew up with like experimental music, something we looked up to. Bands like The Body, bands like, yea shit like that, you know, Wolf Eyes, like some noise bands. We really like that stuff.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely. But on a young, on a young level, more, you know, 9th, 10th grade, really, you know, kids who are really straight-edge in 9th and 10th grade, more misfits of aimers. Right. I would like to consider us the kind of the misfits of aimers who are a little bit, you know, a little bit more normal.


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[Assistant] But, uh, some of these kids were really misfits, you know. They were just some wild kids in Amherst and we chilled with them a lot. And we really started booking shows with them, stuff like that. Really early Dark World stuff, like the Homies when I was in Whirl.


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[Assistant] And like, I really did this music stuff, man, like I, my first show of my entire life was originally, my dad used to book the Middle East and Boston. Right, oh, that was the, yeaah. That's what my dad really is known for in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't remember a lot, but you know, growing up, I was just at the bar at the Middle East right there. My dad booked the upstairs, you know. He's five years old, just pounding beers, no. But you know, it's so funny because I grew up sitting at the bar, and then we go to New York City, I'll be 12, and we go to the hotel where we're staying with my dad or whatever, we had to go to a family.


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[Assistant] And we would go sit at the bar and you guys are like 12 and my brother's like 10 and then you guys can't sit here and we're like, what do you mean?


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[Assistant] There's laws now, you can't have kids at bars, you know, but when we were growing up, there wasn't that law. So, you know, me and, I like to think of us as like the last of our, of our generation kind of, I was born in 1993, so you know, I remember dial-up. Like I'll put it that way, I remember dial-up, you know what I mean? But like kids two years younger than me, three years younger than me, four years younger than me, so they don't remember. Definitely six years, five years, they really don't remember. I'm sure this fool probably remembers dial-up. Right, you remember dial-up, Slack?


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[Assistant] See, he doesn't remember dial-up. He's like, yeah, I have dial-up. And he's two years younger than me, that's it, you know, so. Yeah. Do you remember the sound of dial-up? See?


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[Assistant] And then it was Target after that, you go to Target to get the new CDs.


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[Assistant] I'm not at Walmart. Oh yeaah. I guess we had Eminem really young.


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[Assistant] And I got uhm, yeaah man, yeaah, just some little sticking folks that I hope will fade one day.


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[Assistant] I'mma be everything though, I'mma be a rapper, I'mma be a singer, I'mma be a rapper-singer, songwriter. I'm the new Art Garfunkel.


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[Assistant] I fuck with Lil Uzi and I like his style. Cause he said he liked Gigi Allinger like that. That was cool, man. Yeaah. I don't know how authentic that is.


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[Assistant] I don't care if it's authentic or not because like the fact that he just even like cares to be that person, that's kinda cool to me. That he's like the weirdo.


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[Assistant] They apparently have a new Gigi Allen in the band cause he died, but he's just crazier. That's what people say, he's way crazier. Like he has to live up to Gigi so he's just going too hard.


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[Assistant] Man, that means a lot. We're just out here, DJ Lucas, I'm a Quaker, and I know basketball, and I'm kinda drunk.


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[Assistant] My guess is he's probably back with that criminal wisdom by now.


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[Assistant] It's best to think of it as a totally different monster than the gear god you got to know.


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[Assistant] Introducing the new Sexual Aggression by Calvin Clyde. Let your rapey side take control.


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[Assistant] I was driving home and felt intensely suicidal. There's a part that's furious with me and wants to kill me.


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[Assistant] She can't get us the kind of love that we need because she messes up everything, every relationship.


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[Assistant] She's making everyone see that she's exposed and naked.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I got depressed then, and I totally shut down and lost everything. And it went on for years.


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[Assistant] No, because she says I'll probably just keep fucking up and getting hurt.


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[Assistant] I feel affection for it. It's just trying to keep me in line.


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[Assistant] Yeah, she's crying and exhausted. I'm asking her where she got those beliefs about having to be perfect and strong. She says it was in my twenties.


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[Assistant] I'm holding her while she cries. She feels embarrassed for her outburst.


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[Assistant] I'll be presenting, also just FYI, there's a recording of Jeffrey Hinton himself presenting the same paper, uhm, on


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[Assistant] So I can send the link to the class at risk of making myself look bad on Wednesday. Uh, you can take a look at that beforehand if you want to get his, his take on his own work.


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[Assistant] It hardly seems fair, I whispered, my face still resting on his chest, listening to his breath come and go. I haven't had to wait at all. Why should I get off so easily? You're right, he agreed with amusement. I should make this harder for you, definitely. He freed one of his hands, released my wrist, only to gather it carefully into his other hand.


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[Assistant] He stroked my wet hair softly from the top of my head to my waist. You only have to risk your life every second you spend with me. That's surely not much. You only have to turn your back on nature, on humanity. What's that worth? Very little. I don't feel deprived of anything. Not yet. And his voice was abruptly full of ancient grief.


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[Assistant] I tried to pull back to look in his face, but his hand locked my wrist in an unbreakable hold. What? I started to ask when his body became alert.


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[Assistant] I rolled under my quilt, balling up on my side the way I usually slept. I heard the door crack open as Charlie peeked in to make sure I was where I was supposed to be. I breathed evenly, exaggerating the movement. A long minute passed. I listened, not sure if I'd heard the door close.


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[Assistant] Then Edward's cool arm was around me, under the covers, his lips at my ear.


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[Assistant] You are a terrible actress. I'd say that career path is out for you.


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[Assistant] Darn it, I muttered, my heart was crashing in my chest. He hummed a melody I didn't recognize, it sounded like a lullaby. He paused, should I sing you to sleep? Right, I laughed, like I could sleep with you here. You do it all the time, he reminded me.


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[Assistant] But I didn't know you were here, I replied icily.


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[Assistant] So if you don't want to sleep, he suggested ignoring my tone. My breath caught. If I don't want to sleep, he chuckled. What do you want to do then? I couldn't answer at first. I'm not sure, I finally said. Tell me when you decide. I could feel his cool breath on my neck, feel his nose sliding along my jaw and hailing. I thought you were desensitized.


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[Assistant] Just because I'm resisting the wine doesn't mean I can't appreciate the bouquet, he whispered. You have a very floral smell, like lavender or freesia, he noted. It's mouth-watering.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's an off day when I don't get somebody telling me how edible I smell. He chuckled and then sighed. I've decided what I want to do, I told him. I want to hear more about you. Ask me anything. I sifted through my questions for the most vital. Why do you do it? I said.


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[Assistant] I still don't understand how you can work so hard to resist what you are. Please don't misunderstand. Of course I'm glad that you do. I just don't see why you would bother in the first place. He hesitated before answering. That's a good question, and you are not the first one to ask it.


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[Assistant] The others, the majority of our kind who are quite content with our lot, they too wonder at how we live. But you see, just because we've been dealt a certain hand, it doesn't mean that we can't choose to rise above, to conquer the boundaries of a destiny that none of us wanted.


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[Assistant] Think it's over. Poor kid doesn't have enough room. That's all. He's getting so big.


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[Assistant] You shot right up. I could watch you getting taller by the minute. He's like that too, growing so fast.


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[Assistant] Hey, hey, I want to commend you for coming out swinging today.


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[Assistant] And he did. And Busby is the attorney that represents the women. I'ma tell you what happened. All that happened is this man. Look, somebody got with him in real lives.


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[Assistant] You know what? When you looking at a situation in people's perception, somebody came to him and said, look,


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[Assistant] You're never gonna clear your name and serve people's mind.


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[Assistant] You could try to live your life and say, I'ma be clear. I always talk about it. Nowadays, even on fast and hard facts, people still take L's. Somebody will argue with you in the grocery store that the earth is flat. Somebody will argue in the grocery store with you or in the street that the moon landing was faked.


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[Assistant] Facts that count for everyone. To you, Deshaun Watson, people not, some people not going like you.


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[Assistant] Based on four reasons. One, and this is all, can all things be true. They might not like your allegations. They may not like the fact that you came in and got the biggest contract in the world guaranteed. They might not like the fact that you came and got Baker Mayfield's position. They may not like the fact that there's four black quarterbacks in the quarterback room. They may,


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[Assistant] All of these things can be true at one time. The only thing that you can do and you can control is you can get out there and you know what changes people's minds and this is bad to say.


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[Assistant] Dubs, wins, plays, touchdowns. And somebody got to you and said, look bro, stop trying to fight with people that ain't never going to root for you. Talk to the people that might, might give you another opportunity and admit that you did. Yeah. This, this behavior was kind of unbecoming. You can't like,


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[Assistant] Either way you go, you're never gonna get a lot of people on your side when you say, I slept with this many people in a place of business. People don't like that decorum. But at the end of the day, he got, he got to the point where the league said, look,


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[Assistant] If you wanna fight it, we can fight the wrong way, the long way. We can give you that indefinite joint. So he said, alright, come on, get these eight and go ahead and settle this and keep it pushing so we can all get back to the business of doing what we wanna do. And I think that's what happened.


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[Assistant] There's certainly, I don't like the Steelers, I don't like the Ravens, but at the end of the day, man, I'm not, I don't root for nobody going to jail. I don't make jokes. Like, to me, I was wondering on the opposite side of the spectrum. Say, y'all getting, y'all getting your jollies off by saying, oh my gosh, he got in trouble, but he's kicking your ass every single week.


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[Assistant] The people that was saying, oh, Ben Roethlisberger, those guys ain't really interested in football. They pom-pom waivers. At the end of the day, Ben Roethlisberger was destroying the Cleveland Browns. He came back, did what he had to do. He's going to be in the first ballot hall of famer, like everybody in their life.


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[Assistant] When you go back and look at some of the stuff that you did, you won't be proud of it, but you just got a long time to go and that you need to continue to get to it.


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[Assistant] They tell us which, which one of our accounts is, eh, this is risky. This might be a little volatile. You might not make money on these accounts. So risk is by the way, probably a risk management department in the NFL. They're probably telling them, look, what should, what you have two opposite ends of the spectrum.


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[Assistant] So, which one of them can you afford to have a dispute about? If you're going to have a dispute with some of these individuals that are women that are about the civil cases, some of them will be mad for a while, some of them may come back.


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[Assistant] But if you talk about the players association, you don't want them, you don't want somebody digging the skeletons when you already have two to three investigations still pending being Flores and John Gruden is another one. You don't want no problems. You just say, okay, well,


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[Assistant] Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So they had to get, they had to get their, their, if you're going to be the face of something, I got to get a little more than what they get. So I think she has, she would be compensated by the way.


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[Assistant] There's a problem, and I'll tell you the exact reason they wasn't winning no games back then. It's the exact reason that we talk about this thing with Deshaun Watson. For so long in Cleveland, we have been so conservative in which the players we picked


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[Assistant] What the makeup is, what their background is. The Cleveland Browns been going out here with a half a roster that couldn't compete for the last 50 years. There are people that told you


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[Assistant] They was averse to having people with any background character issues. They're averse to anybody that wears their socks high. They're averse to anybody that talks to the media. We want Boy Scouts. Eric Mangini was running around here finding people for bottles of water and he kept getting jobs. My point is this, if you not trying to win,


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[Assistant] At the highest levels, they've shamed you into doing the things they did. Josh Gordon, he needs to go. Then Belichick. Jim Brown wasn't exactly a model citizen. I need more Jim Browns. Like they tell us.


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[Assistant] I don't, I don't agree. They've been good on their first round picks the last five years. Usually people say, if you take a quarterback in the first round and he don't pan out, that sets you back how many years? They took Baker Mayfield, he was here four years, he won one playoff game, and he went to the divisional round. You can't say,


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[Assistant] That if you trade for another quarterback and he gets you the furthest you've ever gotten in the history of your life, it's not good enough.


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[Assistant] So far, yes. I'll take, I'll take, here's the thing.


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[Assistant] It's all about, I like statistics. It's all about.


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[Assistant] If you give me a more chance to have ping pong balls in the hopper and give me more, more of an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl. If you get to the Super Bowl, you got a 50-50 chance. True, right? So the goal is to get there, right?


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[Assistant] Now if, if I'm gonna, if you're gonna tell me I got a 65% chance with Deshaun Watson and


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[Assistant] My alternative was staying the road or drafting or going another route and it was 25% with the quarterback we had.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna take the 65% and you still have to understand that 35% of the time it may not work, but I'll take my odds.


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[Assistant] I think, I think the most important thing coming out of this is we talked about it yesterday. Everything around the guardians revolves around