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[Assistant] Uhm, they've also tried color jittering only for this experiment, for the rest of the experiments they don't use color jittering. Turns out that random sizing, uhm, certain, uhm, images and cropping them has the best result.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so kind of just like taking a step back, everything I've been showing you leads to how they've built, uh, their default settings for the MAE.


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[Assistant] Three different sampling, or not us, the paper tries three different sampling methods, uh, technically four, but three different, uh, approaches.


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[Assistant] So, we said that we randomly, uh, masked the image.


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[Assistant] And I remember asking you guys that question, what is the percentage and what type of masking?


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[Assistant] So they ended up choosing 75% masking ratio.


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[Assistant] Because they've tested all the different ratios and it turns out that for linear probing and fine tuning, 75% was the best. Uhm, but why did they use random sampling? Random mask sampling. Well, if you take a look at all these different approaches, right, they have this thing called block, uh, uh, blockwise masking.


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[Assistant] And they have a grid, grid-wise sampling.


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[Assistant] Uh, originally what blockwise sampling means is that they take a chunk and they mask a chunk of the image.


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[Assistant] Uh, that's actually taking more blocks out. Um, there's a huge training loss, uh, as you can see.


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[Assistant] And you also have, it's a bit harder to do than random sampling. Just taking a big chunk and removing is a bit harder.


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[Assistant] So you can see this reconstructed image being blurrier, uh, compared to the other two.


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[Assistant] They also tried gridwise sampling. Gridwise sampling means that, uh, you keep every four, uh,


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[Assistant] Like patches, and the rest you, you pretty much, you mask it.


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[Assistant] You set them all to be gray, so you can see that it's a grid pretty much of masked pixels. And uhm,


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[Assistant] That produces a sharper, sharper reconstructed image, uh, compared to random.


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[Assistant] So if you take a look at the accuracy scores, uh, they've tried, uh, random masking, which we just talked about.


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[Assistant] Block masking, so they tried it with a 50% ratio, so they took 50% of the image and they block it out. 75% of the image and they block it out.


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[Assistant] And then they have the grid, uh, 75% masking ratio. And the best performing one was 75%, uh, random masking. And which is, and that's why they used it for the rest of the experiments. And that's why we're like, oh, they use 75% random masking. Uh, it's because it performed best. So they stuck with it.


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[Assistant] So training schedules, uh, originally they, uh, pre-trained the models on 800 epochs.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but now they wanted to try different, uh, different epoch lengths, and they wanted to see which ones performed better. Uhm, if you take a look, these are from the May, uh, self-supervised pre-training, and, uh, you can see that over time, training, the longer you train the model, the better, uhm, whether it's fine-tuned or linear probing.


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[Assistant] And the case doesn't actually apply for other models like, uh,


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[Assistant] I think it's called mocha or cocoa or something, but uhm, that one actually saturates around 300 epochs. So this kind of, uh,


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[Assistant] Is like proof that MAE architecture, uhm, just keeps on getting better and better the longer you train it, unlike other ones.


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[Assistant] This is a comparison we can take a look at, the moco, dino, and bait.


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[Assistant] They all have self-supervised training methods and, um, the May turns out to be, uh, the highest accuracy, uh, trained on all of these different types of vision transformers.


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[Assistant] And uhm, this is just another way of visualizing the different parameters and


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[Assistant] Uhm, the accuracy when you have more parameters, uhm,


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[Assistant] And then the MA is actually second to best. Um, supervised, JFT does better.


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[Assistant] But for the most part, we've been seeing MAE being one of the top, uhm,


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[Assistant] One of the top performing architectures from the ones they've compared it to.


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[Assistant] So we'll also do this thing called partial fine tuning.


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[Assistant] The paper does this thing called partial fine-tuning, which means that, uhm, just to, uh, I didn't write it down. It's fine. So partial fine-tuning means that they freeze some of the layers and they, uhm, they fine-tune


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[Assistant] As it's called linear, it's not really good at figuring out, uh, extracting the features I think from, uh, non-linear classes.


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[Assistant] So to kind of test for it, they do this thing called partial fine tuning. Again, it freezes some layers.


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[Assistant] And then it lets, uh, the other layers be, uh, fine tuned. And then they test it out.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and what's interesting is that May saturates around, uh, four blocks, when you have only four blocks that are fine-tuned, and anything that they add kind of saturates.


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[Assistant] Whereas the MoCo keeps getting better. Uh, I mean, it's still not as high in terms of accuracy, but it keeps on improving the more blocks you find you. So I found that interesting, um, as a comparison. And they also do some transfer learning experiments, um,


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[Assistant] Through these transfer learning experiments, they've tried, uhm, oh, my bad.


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[Assistant] I'm just going to briefly go through that. You can see that MAE performed the best compared to the rest, but it's on par with the Bait. VIT Vision Transformer Large, when it's being done on Bait. They've done Semantic Segmentation. They've also performed, outperformed the other ones. And Classification Tasks.


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[Assistant] Uh, these are done basically, they've tested the different, uh, vision transformers.


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[Assistant] On different datasets, just to see which ones perform better. And, uh, Vision Transformer Huge 448 performs best on any given dataset that's tested over here. Uhm, then Pixel and Tokens.


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[Assistant] I'm just gonna, yeah, this part's not, we kinda went through that, talked about the different ones.


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[Assistant] Alright, so let's summarize everything we've talked about. Uhm, this architecture again, uhm, takes in a few pixels, reconstructed into the original image.


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[Assistant] And it does it efficiently because the encoder has a secret software. It only takes 25% unmasked patches.


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[Assistant] And the decoder takes all of them. So that 25% of the original patches, uh, decreases the amount of time it takes to train.


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[Assistant] And the amount of memory, so you can upscale this entire model, uhm, and you can test it out.


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[Assistant] Which is the whole point of this paper. Uhm, the decoder is also lightweight.


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[Assistant] Reconstructs the input from the latent representation along with the mass tokens and the reconstruction target is again the original image.


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[Assistant] And uhm, the whole point of this paper is that it's faster than your typical CNN in this specific, uh, classification task and takes less memory.


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[Assistant] Alright, so discussion, I'm going to leave it up to Sangu and I. We're going to make this more of like a tag team.


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[Assistant] In the chat guys, can you guys write down what you think the strengths are, uhm, for this paper?


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[Assistant] I know you guys have had to finish your, uh, your summaries, so I'm curious what you guys think the strengths of these papers are, or the specific paper, before kind of going through that section.


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[Assistant] I mean, I felt like the most interesting part is when they got to 75% random, random masking. Like how, how is that more efficient, you know, than having more images to train on or more patches to train on?


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[Assistant] Uhm, that was, in a way, very surprising that it hit 75%. Compared to other computer fusion models. Uhm, but one thing I did notice in this paper is that, uhm,


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[Assistant] They didn't really write a lot of limitations, so uhm, not sure how many of you guys have been able to talk about the weaknesses, which we'll kind of mention as well.


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[Assistant] Typically, papers write, you know, pros and cons or what their paper should be able to, or where the limitation is, where does it stop. Uhm, and these guys kind of always kept it positive that all these tests, they're doing really good. Uhm, so I'm curious if you guys, uhm, have noticed that in this paper as well.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll explain that. So, that specific test, what they did is, uhm, so you saw 10 through 9, right, on the x-axis, and uhm, what they did is they started with the original image, uhm, they masked 10% of the pixels.


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[Assistant] So only 10% of this image they made, they added like, say grey boxes, uhm, only for 10% of these pixels.


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[Assistant] That's one thing, and I think the other thing is the, for some reason it's able to have a better understanding of semantics when there's less.


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[Assistant] That's interesting topic to throw back at you guys. It's like, why do you guys think it takes, it understands better with less, um, with less patches than it does with more patches in this case, right? Because in the encoder, you're feeding it, um, say 25%.


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[Assistant] Right, before, you know, if, if you want to make this a heavier model, what you do is you feed the encoder and the decoder, uhm, the entire number of


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[Assistant] Uh, patches. What they do here is they do 25%.


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[Assistant] So Naveen in the chat, uhm, said the model is able to learn better latent representation data, it seems, with more masking. Correct.


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[Assistant] Yes, that's, yeaah, that's pretty much what the experiment was allotting to, right?


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[Assistant] We talked about the strengths of this paper, right, uhm, or the main points that they try to bring up.


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[Assistant] Okay. No, that's a good start. We'll discuss why it could potentially do that.


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[Assistant] So, okay, so you're right, you caught one of them. The reconstruction is, I would say, very blurry in certain occasions.


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[Assistant] Another one is, if you, so the decoder currently is a lightweight decoder, uhm, the way it's set up. And, uhm, if you were to replace the decoder, uhm,


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[Assistant] Or switch the encoder and how many inputs the encoder takes, right? Then it's going to be.


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[Assistant] Slower model, because now you're feeding it more patches, which means it has to make connections and do cross validation, do all this, uhm, for all the patches and,


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[Assistant] I have a pretty low resolution average for their images. So that could be one reason to why it's having all these very blurry images. Uhm, but that's also a weakness, right? Because we, we don't have an understanding of how it will perform, uhm, on a dataset with high resolution images.


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[Assistant] Will this still perform as well as they're saying or is that the limitation, right? The limitation is the data set that it's trained on. Um, because ideally you should be able to use transfer learning. You should be able to use this for another task and maybe the task is doing it on high resolution. So I think that's one of the weaknesses, uh, personally is that, uh,


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[Assistant] They haven't really shown much positivity or much about high resolution images.


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[Assistant] Right here. So, to reiterate, uhm, we're talking about gridwise sampling.


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[Assistant] So difference between random block and grid. Block is the harder of the three, uhm, to, uh, implement. It has a huge training loss compared to the other two. Uhm, and the reconstruction image is blurry. Uh, whereas grid is easier, uhm, and it has less training loss compared to, uh, block. Uhm, and they're asking,


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[Assistant] And it's also sharper. You have more edges in the image. As you can see, you can still see more edges. It's not as blurred out. And they're asking why we think that is the case. That it trains that way.


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[Assistant] Personally think it's just because it's always going to be the same corners. Uh, I think it's just like, it's always taking these patches in a grid style. So there is no way of it.


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[Assistant] Or it's harder for it to fill in the gaps for anything that's, you know, in the second, fourth, uh, every other column and row. It's not really getting this information.


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[Assistant] Right, so I feel like it's harder for it to kind of, uhm,


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[Assistant] Make that prediction or learn. It's always learning on the same corners, different images and whatnot, but.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeah, uhm, on our end, we are pretty much, uh, done and I hope you guys enjoyed this presentation, but, uhm, we're gonna leave the next five minutes for questions, uhm, and, uh,


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[Assistant] Professor, if you have anything to ask and let us know, feel free to.


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[Assistant] Oh, we got it. Naveen in the chat was mentioning that they couldn't understand it, if you'd like to repeat it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Uh, so similar to Reid, uhm, some of my homies were doing it in high school and they were just trying to get the simplest move, which was just the big cup.


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[Assistant] Definitely, but like if you've never seen it before, you just think that it looks really lame, and you're not about it. And so I literally made fun of my friends for playing with kendamas, like all the time, like in their face, and just being kind of like an asshole about it. Uhm, and then...


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[Assistant] This homie was just chilling at the crib with me and my friend Drew Beans and this kid was a sponsored player already. And I've been friends with him since like third grade. So I'm super competitive with him. So I just like picked it up just to try it. Couldn't do the big cup for like my first 50 tries.


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[Assistant] Couldn't even do it. Yeah, and then I just like kept going with it and I finally got it and then like kind of like a shockwave went through my body. It was like, whoa, it doesn't matter how many times I failed. Like I actually got it and then pretty much like that's how the rest of the journey goes, you know.


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[Assistant] Five about, like mine's coming up on six years, but like there's still stuff for me to discover and like there's more and more tricks. It just seems so endless.


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[Assistant] As a pro player, uh, and there's all these like 8 year old kids and 12 year old kids who are doing stuff that you can't do at the moment, right? But they're doing like...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and he'll look at the camera and he'll just be like... flex.


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[Assistant] What would it be like, one out of fifty clips from this kid, one of them's got a smile in it.


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[Assistant] No, no, so this like, back when we started, the level of kendama was right here. The level of kendama right now has been pushed all the way up here.


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[Assistant] Like in just six years of time. The evolution of tricks has been insane and it's just only happening within those last like six years.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like what we call edits, just like a skate video with people who have parts or BMX part, like the transmission.


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[Assistant] Nothing done to music, like, or anything. But his first edit that he ever came out with, no music whatsoever. It's just like all raw footage of him in a ski shop.


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[Assistant] Kinda depends on the project. So, like for the one of our most recent projects that we just did was our pro model films. So like what displayed like the features of the pro model.


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[Assistant] Why we chose the colors, uhm, and there was a lot of talking about our lives infused with it and so you got to know us and our personality. So that one took like so much planning, so much thought.


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[Assistant] Right, because like the vision behind Sweets Kandamas as a company is to spread Kandama love. So we're trying to do that in the best way. We're not necessarily trying to like blow it up in your face just to buy it. I can sell it to you, but I'm not selling it to you. I'm just telling you how much I love it.


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[Assistant] And then you just like, feel it, and then you buy it, usually.


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[Assistant] Right, and like when they're eight years old, so when you're eight years old, some study out there says that your brain starts to develop the hand-eye coordination aspect and like balance and like, you know, being overall aware of


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[Assistant] And when we say Sweets, it's like this guy named Matt Sweets Jorgensen, he's the one who started the company back in 2010.


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[Assistant] He's like the owner. He's the face of the company. So he is sweet. So whenever we go to Japan, like on another note, whenever we go to Japan, you're not just a tourist. If you have a kendama and you're good at it, you're a super tourist. Like they love you.


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[Assistant] And whenever they walked past, like, they were speaking in Japanese and we had, uh, some, one of our Japanese friends and we were like, are they like talking shit about us?


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[Assistant] Because they said gaijin a lot, which is foreigner. And so we thought they were talking shit, but they weren't. They were like...


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[Assistant] Most of the questions they ask when they walk by is why the hell is that foreigner so good at kendama? That's awesome.


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[Assistant] They don't see that and they like love that you're like a part of their culture, like you're so into something that's like part of their culture. They're like honored about it. They love it and they actually walk up randomly and just take a picture with you.


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[Assistant] They gotta be around the same level as you though. They can't be like, stopping bankers like me and him. It won't inspire you.


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[Assistant] Crazy stuff all the time. We can teach you as much, but there's going to be a point where you might be like,


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[Assistant] I'm not going to get that good because he's already so much better than me. So like you and Chris being at that same like level. You guys make each other better. Well, I'm at a higher level than him.


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[Assistant] It's gonna boost your guys' progression though, being like, you need like a group of people around you. Like, I had a group that I filmed with, like shout out to Parker Strom and Jason Major for being part of the Kenmans crew, which is like a, just a gang of friends that love to play kendama. So we just filmed edits.


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[Assistant] And that's how we got like started to get recognized and like pushing the limits back then and same thing for him.


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[Assistant] No, he was like watching the ski movie that Colin was talking about earlier. It was called Ski Porn.


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[Assistant] Yeah, because like when they were on the chairlifts and stuff, they were on their downtime, they were just like playing with kendama and like- Right.


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[Assistant] Are the biggest companies still, right? Yeah, they're both the biggest companies, so it's like- It's always one, one in sec- you know, first and second place, like always battling for the leader of the industry.


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[Assistant] But without each other, we wouldn't be able to do it. You know, like sponsoring events, like every condom company comes together to sponsor events.


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[Assistant] I think it's a couple weeks. Yeah, it was like almost two weeks. We went to Florida and then we went to Texas and in Texas was where we were doing all the school demos and it was like...


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[Assistant] Shout out to the coach that's out there, Coach Castillo. He's like the one who's put them all onto Kendama and us specifically, just like shows them all of our videos all the time. And so it's just hilarious. But there's, we did this demo and we had all these kids just screaming, wiling out. Like they were trying to control the noise basically. Like they were going fricking nuts. We were just showing off tricks and then.


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[Assistant] No, if he would have still been there, if he would have still been there, I might've taken one for the team and been like, yo, Kendama Pro pissed his pants too.


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[Assistant] And it's from the principal, it's from the principal too, she's the one who starts it, you know? She's like, I'm about this now. Most principals don't like it though.


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[Assistant] Well, I mean like, no they like, so what happens is Kendama enters the school and then it blows up. There's a point where it blows up and teachers can't control it anymore. So like kids are gambling, like in school they're playing pink slips for Kendamas. So when they play Ken, so so many kids in Hawaii like got


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[Assistant] There, yeaah, this is like basically what I think that the kickflip of kendama is. This is the swinger, right? No, when you go up it's the kenflip, so.


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[Assistant] When you flip it and this turns, like that's what I consider the kick flip of kendama. Cause like, you know how dudes will do like a nasty skate trick and at the very end just throw like a super quick kick flip. That's the trick. Like I'll just do it real quick.


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[Assistant] You can do the tray flip with that. Right, right, right. But that's a tray flip, but like, what I just did, I consider the kickflip because there's called an afterbang. Right, you just do it afterwards. You land the trick that you were trying to film for a super long time, and then you just kind of stand there for a second, then you're like, okay, well, kickflip real quick.


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[Assistant] This one. This grip. So like when you do a lighthouse, you want this grip. You want like more of the ball showing right here. Right. So that you know you did it for sure.


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[Assistant] And you can like just, you can just tilt it like this. And sometimes they'll land it like this and then they'll like straighten it out and then move their hand down and you're like...


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[Assistant] I just go, yo, like, that wasn't legit, like I saw that it touched your hand, next time hold it like this, so it's like...


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[Assistant] You just don't think so, so you're trying to aid yourself, but it's actually like hurting you, you know? Yeah.


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[Assistant] That's why the judges have to be like straight up in the front, you know, like watching it firsthand and they get to decide, but there's like different formats of competition and the World Cup is like, uh,


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[Assistant] It's own format. Nobody else does the way that they do it. You get three minutes. You have five tricks.


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[Assistant] Yeah, there's a list of a hundred tricks, levels one through ten, ten being the highest, and that's all points. So one point, two point, and you were saying that you're like about two, you know, level two on the KWC list.


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[Assistant] Why can I do this? This is the world championships that we're talking about. So there's like one big main competition. It's in Japan every single year and the last three years it's all been won by Americans.


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[Assistant] Yeah, which were really hard at the time, like super hard. And then now it's just like, that's like kid shit now.


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[Assistant] It's crazy because the tricks now are just like ridiculous. They have to like update them.


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[Assistant] They're both equally amazing at kendama. Oh yeaah. Like the national championships is the competition we throw in Minnesota. It's called the MKO. And uh, Nick Gallagher won this year.


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[Assistant] Yeah, they always call Nick Zach and they always call Zach Nick, you know? Like nobody knows the difference except for like they have like certain facial features and now that they're getting older like...


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[Assistant] No, there's, there's like Facebook drama though. There's like a Facebook kendama community and there's like Facebook drama of people just being like, they'll make a post and they'll just be like, all right guys, so today I'm quitting kendama and this is going to be the last time that I post on here. And it's like, okay.


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[Assistant] So it's like that with him, he makes it look so easy and that's what we do with Kandaba, like we make it look so easy that people, like,


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[Assistant] No, no, no. B-O-N-Z. B-O-N-Z. Okay. And it's like Bonds-A-Tron, so A-T-R-O-N. And so this dude, like, his...


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[Assistant] His freestyle is saying to you like how normal people will do like lighthouse and they'll just pull it up and just make it look like super easy. He's just like, like his face literally just does this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you know how like you're standing still when you're filming and you just like try to do that in the same spot? Well like, Bon's in a freestyle, no matter how much space there is on the stage, he's using the whole stage and it's actually really good, especially for freestyle. And that's like advantageous.


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[Assistant] That's the kendama ninjas. Those dudes are called, uh, zumodake. They're like freestylers in Japan.


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[Assistant] Nobody can do it the way that they do it. That's like the easiest way to explain it. They like, they're break dancers first.


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[Assistant] I like, I was like, we should just do a stringless trick. And so I took the ball. We cut off the string. I took the ball and I just like throw it behind me. But the hole stays at the bottom because I spin it. I spin the ball. How's it lose your hand?


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[Assistant] It goes like behind me and then he's just standing there with like a stringless can and it just like usually spikes pretty quickly and one time when we were at a school we did it first try, it's never happened like that.


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[Assistant] They like, they actually go nuts. And like the last one that we did took us like 15 tries, but all the kids really wanted to see it. But we're trying to do that off of the roof here, like on Saturday.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's like, that's why I preach about that I couldn't do big cup for 50 tries, like in the very beginning, like if anyone can relate to that.


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[Assistant] Then you can make it exactly like the way I did, you know, it just depends on your motivation level and like the time that you have to dedicate to it. So when we're talking about.


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[Assistant] You know, 8 year olds and 12 year olds, they have way more time than we do.


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[Assistant] Essentially, you know, cause we got like real life Bill stuff.


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[Assistant] Sometimes. Kinda. It just depends, but like.


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[Assistant] The evolution of pro status has changed since the beginning of like the six years, you know, when you were a pro six years ago.


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[Assistant] You're actually like the best ever in the world, basically. Now it's like...


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[Assistant] Who's the best on social media? Who's the best on, you know, like skill level wise? They're still winning comps, but they, you know, they're probably not going to win every single one.


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[Assistant] Uh, but like there's kids out there that are better than some pros right now. You know, like how we said that there's kids that are better than us.


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[Assistant] You earned it. Like, it's actually, you deserve to have a pro model. It's not like...


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[Assistant] You're really good at kendama, so you get a pro model. There's only so few people that get signature series, so like read getting signature series.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no 100% and like, I supplied Reed with like,


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[Assistant] And that's like what we love, like we love that spreading Kandama love, you know, type of mentality and this dude has it. But like, that was only after like a few weeks of knowing you too. He just like rolled through, he's like, I'm going to Woodward, like can you hook me up?


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[Assistant] I was like, yo, Gabe, and he's the CEO. And I was like, yo, can we just like, give him a bunch of them? Like, how many can we give him? And then Gabe's like, fuck it, let's give him like 60. I was like, damn, okay, let's go. I was thinking more like six.


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[Assistant] We just really, we want to be in like every single household basically. Like we just want Kendama to be known. That's like what we want. So we try to provide information for people and that's like a lot of things that other companies don't do or don't do very well. There's no information, right?


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[Assistant] You were saying, it's easier when you watch the tutorial videos. It's broken down. Way better. Makes it so simple and then in your head. Most of them are Cooper, yea.


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[Assistant] And when you're in your head, you're like, oh, right. That makes sense. Cause there's a trick to every trick.


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[Assistant] You just have to figure out what that trick is. And if we tell you what the trick is, then boom, you just got it. And like, that's why whenever we're here, I can get anybody to spike it because I know every trick to do it.


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[Assistant] You're gonna turn off a lot of parents though because these parents are gonna spend this money and then the thing's gonna break within a week.


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[Assistant] And the parent's gonna be like, why the hell did I buy you that? I'm not gonna do it again.


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[Assistant] No, they don't sponsor shit. They don't even add like, we'll reach out to them to try and sponsor an event. They just don't hit us up back or they'll say no.


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[Assistant] People would actually care about you, and like, we would understand that you're an entry level kendama, that's how we would put it. Since you don't support, like, since you don't support the events, we don't support you.


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[Assistant] And they're always welcoming too, like everybody in the Kanawha community has been so welcoming to me or like pretty much anybody and the only way to like get yourself blacklisted, I don't think it's even really happened, but the only way to get yourself blacklisted is in some like crazy way because we're, everyone in the community is so accepting.


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[Assistant] For some reason these kids like love you guys. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. But no, yeah, so they're so like, you know, they're so influenced by like what you guys are doing or like for the Kandama community, the Kandama community is pretty influenced by us, you know, so what we say is cool.


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[Assistant] People are getting more into it though because of you. Like they're watching your progression and they're like thinking it's dope. Like how I said, you blew up on Twitter today. Like this morning it was crazy.


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[Assistant] And it was just kind of like, you know, people are starting to like actually like it because they've been seeing your progression and it's not like you blasted too much, you know.


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[Assistant] Well, it's been kind of insane because I, I like, I, uh, the first month of me playing kendama, right? Like I filmed and edit and so that was like one of the only videos that I had on there. And it was a YouTube channel that I started back in like 2011 or like 2010 actually. And then, uh, I only had one video on there and then.


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[Assistant] You said all that stuff about vlogging, like, the right personality for vlogging. And like, I'm definitely not camera shy or anything like that, so.


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[Assistant] I just like moved from Minneapolis to California.


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[Assistant] And this was really recently, like I've only been there since the beginning of April.


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[Assistant] And April 6th was like the first video that I posted and I was like thinking in my head.


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[Assistant] It's a lot of work. Don't just think it's like, not a lot of work. It's a lot of work and you just gotta be on your grind about filming and just not giving a fuck of what people think of you or anything like that. Just actually don't care.


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[Assistant] That's like what the key to kinawa is, don't care about what people are gonna say or whatever, cause now look at us. You know, so like.


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[Assistant] Yeah, definitely from like some of my like good homies. They're like, what is this even teaching you? And I'm like, oh yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like, oh, it's like eight or ten times, but it was, when it was peaked, like, the scene there was crazy, but I was traveling everywhere and I was like, what do you mean this isn't teaching me shit, like,


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[Assistant] There's like a Japanese- That's how you do it. Japanese word, instead of kandama with an E-N, like K-E-N, it's kintama, and it's like dick and balls.


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[Assistant] Sword and ball. Definitely ninja, ninja status, you know.


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[Assistant] How people in Kendama can have like, if there's plateaus or if you think that like, you're gonna step out of it or whatever, like retire or whatever like that. Uhm, there's definitely like moments like that where you do kind of plateau, uh, but then you like break through that level. So I feel like you've gone through that experience as well.


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[Assistant] Where you figured that you plateaued but then all of a sudden you like broke through and now you're like leveling up.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it just like comes together and like when you do a line of five tricks, those first four tricks are-


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[Assistant] You're gonna get so much better at those. Yeah. Cause you're trying to get to that last. Exactly. Right in the combo. So you just get super good at these last, like four tricks that are in the beginning of the line. And like, that's kinda what you're doing. You're going through the motion. So you're like moving through it really quickly. Now quickly, more quickly than ever. It's all just a metaphor for it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it translates super heavy into life. Yeah, it totally is.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you just like, you just can't give up and like, uh, there was like a time where


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[Assistant] I had like a super bad injury where I laid off of this for like four months. What was the injury? Like, some dude took a baseball.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like I was walking home, like in Bellingham, Washington, like where I'm from Seattle and Bellingham's like a university school or city.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I was like walking home and these guys like...


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[Assistant] I put my arm up on one dude because he was like trying to hit my friend or whatever and I would just like put my arm up on him and then I like put it down and I was just like talking to them.


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[Assistant] Whole time this dude has a baseball bat behind his leg, like the whole time, and I just didn't see it. And I'm just trying to tell them the cops are coming, because there was a fight before that. I wasn't even involved, but then I was walking home just at the wrong time.


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[Assistant] And I had my arm up on this dude and then this dude with the baseball bat just decides to crack me while I'm talking to this dude. In the head? Like he uppercutted me right underneath my chin and like he fucking just like...


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[Assistant] Uh, the blow like went up, like fractured my skull, like cracked open my skull a little bit and then came back down and just shattered the rest of the shit. Like, and there's these mandibles right here that control your jaw movement.


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[Assistant] They thought they were gonna have to go and just do surgery and they said it was gonna fuck up all my nerves. But right now, like from here, all the way down to like my bottom half of my lip right here and all the way down to the scar.


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[Assistant] I have like no feeling. Really? It's still fucked up? It's like a dentist feeling. They said it might come back. It might not. But the fact that it's like somewhat tingly is like a good sign.


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[Assistant] In 2012. And so that's like, I got this tattoo back here, like in Minneapolis. It's just a broken baseball bat. I'm like...


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[Assistant] Head, cause like why not get the head tat that's like what happened to your face, you know?


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[Assistant] Yeah, it was like my first year of kendama. Like within my first year, it was like almost a one year anniversary of getting into kendama. And so like my jaw got busted, right? And then I was wired shut for six full months and like on the fifth month.


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[Assistant] There's this place called Dick's Burgers and it's just such good burgers, like so good and you can't get them anywhere else but Seattle. And she was like, do you want me to blend them up and like put them in a shake for you? And I was like, mom, you're gonna fucking ruin that for me, like.


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[Assistant] I'm like pretty small, like pretty skinny, but like 140, 150 fluctuating weight is like where I've always pretty much been. And I went down to 118 pounds was like skeleton bone. Like I couldn't handle it anymore. I was just taking oxy after oxy because of the, it costs.


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[Assistant] Okay, how much do you think it costs to rebuild my whole face?


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[Assistant] Pretty much. And some dude like they blasted this, they blasted all my CAT scans and everything out to like doctors everywhere.


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[Assistant] There was such a fucking fucked up injury that nobody wanted to touch me. I didn't get surgery for a week. I didn't get surgery for a week. And then like, so like October time is when I got my first surgery.


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[Assistant] And I still have like, you know, I have a screw that goes all the way through here and a plate.


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[Assistant] And all that shit, but it was like, yeah, $860,000 to rebuild my face and this dude from Chicago flew out and he like volunteered to do it. He was like, I'm the one, like I'm the one that's going to do this. Nobody responded for like a week and then this dude was like, I'm doing it. And then he like, I mean.


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[Assistant] My whole request when I was in the hospital and stuff the first night was keep my face pretty. I said that to every nurse and they were like,


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[Assistant] They were like, I can't believe this guy's in such good spirits. He's hitting on all of our nurses and all of our doctors, but he's like bleeding out of his ears and his chin because I ruptured both my eardrums too. So he shattered my jaw like 20 different places.


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[Assistant] So it's called crime, it's called Crime Victims Unit. I'm pretty sure Obama put it into place, but like this dude was, I was a victim of a crime, this dude never got caught. I don't even know who he is.


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[Assistant] The people, the department, like the detective department up in Bellingham sucks. They like went to the house and were like, hey is this guy here? Like they didn't do any like research or anything. They just basically were like, hide him. That's basically what they told him.


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[Assistant] You know, why would you bring your friend, I'm, hey, I'm a part of the detective, your friend's been a part of an incident, can I see him? No.


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[Assistant] Nobody's gonna give him up, so he never got caught. So like the government paid for everything. Only had to pay $2000 for the oxy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I ended up coming out like on top on that situation, but like not really because I had to go through the whole thing, two, three different surgeries.


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[Assistant] I used to open my mouth like this big, and now I can only open up like that big. And then, uh, like it's a, it's a struggle when I go to the dentist, like when they want to work on the back part of my teeth or whatever.


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[Assistant] But yeah, it's something that I definitely live with for the rest of my life. You know, like sometimes it pops and like, but you're never going to forget it. I always remember that day. So shitty, but like what happened to what happened. So like I was wired show for six, four months and on the fifth month, sweet skandamas was like,


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[Assistant] Sponsorship contest. One year sponsorship contest. Like, let's see who the best is out on YouTube. And like, Cooper, like, went out for it too.


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[Assistant] So it's like round one, round two and like there was only like six people in round two and they had to decide with one person and then they picked me and like they put Cooper on the team also, but like the pro team and then the like the AM team.


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[Assistant] And so like, they put me as the pro and then, so within six months of me getting my like, injury, I got...


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[Assistant] Pro spot onto a kendama company and then it started lifting my spirits up and I was like amped about it and I started traveling and then I won my first national title, which is like the MKO and one year anniversary of my surgery.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so I got first place and at that point it was like a fucking huge deal to win that. It was one of the biggest competitions that...


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[Assistant] Like, I was like 12 days late and I told them the story and they were like, wow.


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[Assistant] But it's so messed up, so like, so I have so much to owe to Kendama. Like, Kendama brought me out of like, I was in five months just bedridden, you know?


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[Assistant] Like it was not, so Kendama was like the reason why I wasn't addicted to him because like you're so off balance. There's no way you can like coordinate. And I was already good enough to the point where like,


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[Assistant] I would try stuff and I couldn't balance it because like the oxy literally made me feel like I was trying to slump. And so many people get addicted.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, I had like 25 left, and I was just like, fuck this. It was giving me nightmares, dude.


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[Assistant] He literally will just like find some talking point to do, but he's actually modified that. Like he's actually modified it, but he, the way that he gets to it is sometimes like, well, you know, there's this right here.


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[Assistant] Right, right, but he actually, like, did, you know, design it.


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[Assistant] That was from this company and the paint like came off and it was terrible. It was a terrible design. Then he kept working with them and he'd like alter the shape of this to be better balanced. Then the dude would take it and sell it to everybody. Be like, oh, I have this new shape. My factory has this new shape, but it was our shape that we helped design.


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[Assistant] But yea, so I'm trying to buy a bike on Friday, but just because like the area that I'm at, the skating is just terrible, like the ground. That's what I was thinking though, like.


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[Assistant] We've been trying to have a costume party for so long and like nobody does it cause who's gonna travel with like a Halloween costume unless you already have the theme party ready to go right there. Some people did.


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[Assistant] In Singapore. Yo, shout out, we're actually going on our European tour too. We're about to go to, uh, so we're flying into, at the end of May, we're flying into Sweden in June. There's like a big scene out there. There's going to be the Sweden Kondama Championships. After that, we're flying to Copenhagen, Denmark. We're going to see what that's all about. Film there a bunch. And then we're going to Germany.


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[Assistant] After that, Berlin, and then Israel.


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[Assistant] And uh, you can follow me at at mvx underscore norcross. My name is Max Norcross, but it just like looks cooler having a little V in there.


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[Assistant] We up in this thing. Much love to the fam, man. Appreciate y'all chiming in on this episode of the show. Uh, listen fam.


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[Assistant] This week, man, against this team, and we just gotta keep it moving, man. I got some news to kinda share with the family members. Then again...


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[Assistant] You guys, we already covered this stuff. So shout out to the fan. Appreciate y'all being in the stream. Much love to y'all. Hope y'all having a fantastic start of y'all week.


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[Assistant] Hit the subscribe button and by all means feel free to share to show on your social media feed.


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[Assistant] And appreciate you for being here. Uh, this one's entitled, uh, QB Derek Carr is playing with busted ribs. Hit, put one in the chat if you heard that before.


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[Assistant] Y'all put one in the chat, if y'all heard that before.


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[Assistant] Put two in the chat if you heard it a dozen times.


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[Assistant] Y'all put two in the chat if you heard it a dozen times. Man, I tell you, man.


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[Assistant] I tell you guys, man, it is, it is something else, isn't it, family? It's something else. It is something else.


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[Assistant] But anyway, we're gonna talk about that. We're also gonna do a little brief recap here.


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[Assistant] On the matchup between, oh, hold on here for a second here. We're going to do a brief recap here. Oh yeah, there we go. The Carolina Panthers matchup here that we had 28 to 6 man, a brief breakdown. I'm not going to go over all of the statistics, but.


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[Assistant] Just to kind of touch this game, man, and just talk about it. We did a recap yesterday.


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[Assistant] And just watching the game again and imma do a film breakdown for our Patreon family members.


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[Assistant] Uh, Tuesday we'll go over it and look at all of the stuff.


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[Assistant] Uh, the first three quarters were absolutely horrible in terms of the offensive. Then they finally got it going in the fourth quarter with two touchdowns in the back end.


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[Assistant] Carolina was a team that has a lot of issues as you can tell. The defense held on for three quarters, then they fell apart. You know, it's only so much they can do. Offensively speaking, there were throws they just didn't make.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they're, they're just not in rhythm there. And even when the guy made the throws, the damn wide receivers was dropping the throws. So the Saints.


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[Assistant] Be the very discombobulated foe, but it's tough to win in NFL. So I'll take that win. It makes it, it keeps us relevant.


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[Assistant] Inside of the standing. So things to kind of look back at and we'll get an opportunity to hear from Dennis Allen. This won't be a long breakdown family because, uh, we got, you know, I'm covering the Pelicans and


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[Assistant] You know, we that that's going on tonight. We'll have the Pelican post game report recap stream, but it's what's intriguing and interesting about this game was the fact that offense finally got going to touchdowns in the backend for very promising rushing attack could have been more on it.


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[Assistant] Uh, things to kind of be concerned about moving forward is the fact that our run defense is really poor. You know, this team, this Carolina team put up 200 yards rushing on the sink yesterday.


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[Assistant] That's, that has to change if there's going to be.


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[Assistant] A playoff run. We can't allow teams to gash us that bad and you know.


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[Assistant] Nate, uh, Nate Shepard and Kaelin Saunders. Man, we need, you know, in our rotational guys, we know Malcolm Roach is out.


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[Assistant] We've seen Jeff Heflin gets in there. Uh, Brian Bressi's been doing a pretty good job too.


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[Assistant] But that and that is not, that's not gonna cut it. We have to change that. But shout out to our secondary, secondary with all of the guys that's missing. Laddy Daddy's on the injury reserve. Marcus Mayday is on the injury reserve. Jordan Howden stepped up.


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[Assistant] We know we got a couple of older players on our defense, but there's a lot, a lot to be happy about in the future for the Saints defense. Jordan Howden is one of those players.


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[Assistant] I know, you know, we looking at him like, man, we might have to reevaluate why Marcus May is here because Jordan Howden is here. We might need to get him on up out of here, get May up out of here because he just, he just hurt all the time.


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[Assistant] Last year he missed six games. He got, he was suspended a couple of games this year and he hurt right now. He on the IR right now. So I mean.


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[Assistant] You know, but anyway, outside of that, a lot, a lot of bright spots on our defense, Peyton.


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[Assistant] Uh, uh, Pete Werner's fantastic. You know, he's, he play, he has to step up his level. Jordan Holden's really ex, uh, you know, happy about him. Isaac Yidam, shout out to Isaac Yidam, played a fantastic game yesterday. He did everything, self-forgetting and got an interception.


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[Assistant] So Isaac Yidam, man, has really stepped his game up, man. So when our guys get hurt, you seen Yidam stepping there and just kept it going. Big shout out to him.


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[Assistant] Uh, I liked how Paulson Adibo played yesterday in the secondary. He played real well. Carl Granderson is another bright spot player for the Saints, man. If we can only get grand.


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[Assistant] And to help and cam them help give I see a Foskey to snowman on, on, on, on course. We looking pretty good. So a lot of positive stuff individually speaking from our defensive counterparts.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, to be proud of looking at the future. Those guys look really good and play really.


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[Assistant] You know, special in the matchup against Carolina, offensively speaking, a lot to be desired. Um, A.T. Perry, you know, he had, uh, A.T. Perry showed some flashes.


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[Assistant] Is when targeted has been very effective, you know, very effective. So.


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[Assistant] They're our reporter. Like I said, I got to always give a shout out to the Saints reporters 2023 because those guys, we finally got a group of reporters who are not afraid to ask questions. Remember under the Sean Payton administration, he basically had a lot of the reporters.


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[Assistant] Domesticated. They wouldn't ask the tough questions. It was very frustrating. With this administration, Dennis Allen is less.


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[Assistant] You know, forceful, like Peyton was a guy that didn't play with the media. If you pissed him off, he probably would take your badge.


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[Assistant] You press badge or, you know, uh, kind of berate you or.


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[Assistant] Kind of ignore you or talk over you in the press conferences. He did that several times.


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[Assistant] Including a couple of times with female reporters that I had, I got upset with them for doing.


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[Assistant] We want to know these questions and they're asking the questions. So I'ma play his piece today. But anyway, as far as the


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[Assistant] The game yesterday, the Saints did what they're supposed to do fam. They beat a 1-12 Carolina Panthers team who can't complete a pass effectively. Offense stinks. Saints ran them up out of there eventually. And now we move on to a matchup against the, uh, the, uh, the New York Giants coming up with DeVito and these guys.


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[Assistant] We'll scout that later on in the week. We'll do the preview for that.


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[Assistant] But a lot to be happy for in the Saints win over Carolina. I know a lot of family members been messaging me saying Q did we really win?


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[Assistant] Yeah, we won. What you mean by that? A lot of people are just disgusted and frustrated.


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[Assistant] With Dennis Allen to the point where they want the Saints to lose. So Dennis Allen to get fired. I don't take that approach. I'm not for that approach. I don't buy into that mindset.


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[Assistant] I never want my team to lose. I want them to always win and I'll never change that. No.


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[Assistant] If, if this is a thing that's set for destiny's purposes, like say for instance, if it's meant to be, it shall be that type of thing.


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[Assistant] If it's meant to be, it will be. And if he is as bad as we think he is, then it will be what it is. You get what I'm saying? You don't need for me to push him or you know, put him down. If they do a good job,


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[Assistant] I have to be responsible and give them that. If they do a bad job, I gotta take them apart. Y'all know how that goes. That's called planning fair. You gotta do it. I can't hammer them when they...


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[Assistant] You know, you know, so I'm saying when they productive, when you want them to be, be, be productive and then not, you know, give them praise when they do what they're supposed to do and then lamb basting when they don't. That's balance. You gotta, you gotta keep it 50.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? You gotta keep it 100%, but you gotta play, you know, you gotta be balanced is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] With that, but anyway, good win by the saints. They beat a bad team that they were supposed to beat.


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[Assistant] And eventually it does move them into a position where.


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[Assistant] That they'll be in the NFC South. Now currently, if you could take a look at it, the team is, uh, hold on here just a second fam. Hold on just a second here. Just a second. Make sure I got my stuff here. Hold on.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me get into the NFC South stream right here. I had too much going on on my screen. Alright, so anyways, you can see the NFC South standings, Tampa Bay, 6 and 7, Saints, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans, all 6 and 7, 3-way tie, but really,


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[Assistant] Yes, you know how it goes. Tampa Bay beat the Saints. Atlanta beat the Saints. They both controlled the tiebreakers there. The Saints have to win to keep pace with these teams.


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[Assistant] Four games left to go in the season, two of them, two of which are against Tampa Bay and Atlanta. Saints gonna need help if they're gonna take the NFC South. The only way into the playoffs is to win the NFC South.


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[Assistant] You will not be able to get in as a wild card because the Saints have too many losses against teams that are ahead of them for the wild card. You get what I'm saying? For instance,


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[Assistant] Green Bay and Minnesota are two teams that's ahead of the Saints for the wild card if they don't get in by winning the NFC South. Both of those teams control tiebreakers on the Saints. So they would have to win.


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[Assistant] The NFC South to get in. Now, where will they do that? Time will tell. We only got a month worth of games.


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[Assistant] And two of the games will happen very fast because we got the Giants game coming up on Sunday and then the following Thursday, so Thursday, uh, Thursday night game.


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[Assistant] Against the, uh, the Los Angeles Rams. So you have the Giants and then the Rams. You'll have them real quick, so it'll be a quick turnaround.


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[Assistant] So we'll get two of those games relatively fast.


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[Assistant] Uh, of the, the remaining, uh, games with Tampa and then ultimately with the Falcons at the end of the year.


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[Assistant] So it'll, we'll see how it all shakes and goes, man.


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[Assistant] It is what it is at this point, man. And we just gotta keep it moving, fam. We just gotta keep it moving. Now let's get into this article. Shout out to NOLA.com. Luke Johnson did this story.


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[Assistant] Did injuries hinder Saints QB Derek Carr versus the Panthers? Dennis Allen updates.


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[Assistant] Where he stands. Now a lot of this is sourced from the interview that we're going to play for you for Monday when they're asking Dennis Allen about injuries that's, that's going on.


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[Assistant] With their court, with the, uh, that's going on with, uh, Derek Hart. Now, I've been saying this for, for a while, that this dude has busted ribs. I've been saying this, and this is nothing new. The Saints sit up here, and they do this. Now really, this is a find from the NFL. Cause the report is asking them, why didn't he rib injury make the injury report after the Green Bay game, and when he got slammed down,


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[Assistant] It's common sense to me when a man got slammed down on the ground, they said they went and looked at his shoulder and then they...


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[Assistant] Then did an x-ray of his ribs and areas like, hmm, that's interesting.


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[Assistant] Then when I watched him play the following game, how his passes were off.


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[Assistant] And then a clear sign was when the guy, remember a couple of games after that, the guy passed by, smacked him on his ribs and he bent over in intense pain.


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[Assistant] I said, this dude got either broken or busted rims. Shout out to tragic. Tragic was in the chat saying the same thing, saying Q.


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[Assistant] I think he got, but I said, bro, this dude got busted ribs. I've been saying it and it's, it's the same thing, man.


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[Assistant] We know, I know how this team work. I know how they operate.


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[Assistant] Really just hits me, hits me upside my head. It make me want to hit him upside his head. Is why would he want to play?


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[Assistant] Derrick Carr and this dude got, he, he has, fam, he don't have one busted rib. He has several busted ribs. They saying three of them.


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[Assistant] You have three busted ribs that he's been playing with since Green Bay. And I've been South Slate fam.


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[Assistant] He don't look right throwing the ball. People saying Q, he faking injuries. I said nah, he's not faking no injuries bro.


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[Assistant] His passes are sailing because what they do, they hit him with that painkiller in that area. It doles the pain, but at the same time, you'll see him in the start of the games trying to.


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[Assistant] You know, throw speed balls to kind of get a, a sink on what he's doing, but it really just smacks me upside my head to understand the levels of ridiculousness this is.


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[Assistant] I'm playing this guy since Green Bay's game, since after he got knocked out of the Green Bay game, the next game, I forgot it was the Tampa Bay game. He been this guy.


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[Assistant] Basically shot up with painkiller playing with broken ribs since after the Green Bay Packers game.


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[Assistant] You mean to tell me you would let him do that and not let James Winston get out, get in there?


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[Assistant] I mean fam and then been lying about it and covering it up for weeks until Derek Carr admitted it in the press conference.


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[Assistant] You would have knew, and see, that's how you always get the real information about these injuries. They don't come directly from the saints because they always lying about it.


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[Assistant] He was going back and forth with Parker, the wide receiver he used to play for the Dolphins.


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[Assistant] And he said something about an injury on social media between him and the back and forth between him and that wide receiver. And that's how we found out he had an injury. Y'all remember that? Put one in the chat if y'all remember that.


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[Assistant] How we found about Drew's, all them injuries that happened with Drew when Drew got slammed down. When that guy got in there and fell on top of him and crushed him. Y'all remember that? How do we find out about the injuries with all the injuries dealing with Drew and how he was all messed up from his wife?


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[Assistant] His wife got on social media and was saying stuff and that's how we found out all the stuff that was wrong with Drew from his wife in the social media post. Cause she was trying to defend him on something. This is what they do.


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[Assistant] And also this is a fine from the NFL and this is stupid. So if you have a, they are fam listen, and I'm going to get into this article, but this is really mind boggling to me that this guy playing with three busted, busted ribs, three ribs busted.


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[Assistant] He got two concussions in 21 days, three broken ribs. I'm sounding like a Christmas song.


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[Assistant] You got three busted ribs, two, three busted ribs, two concussions, and a partridge in a pear. This is crazy, man. This is, this is insane.


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[Assistant] This dude has three broken ribs, two concussions in 21 days, a tore up shoulder and let's put him in it ahead of Jamus. Why? What's going on here?


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[Assistant] On the second day of Christmas, they gave to Dennis, Dennis Allen getting a lump of coal. And so is Mickey Loomis. Ain't no doubt about it, man. They all getting, it's crazy. It's all like a Christmas, a bad Christmas song, man. It's terrible.


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[Assistant] But anyway, let's get into this article, man, cause this is, this is, to me, I don't understand what's going on. The injuries have piled up for the Saints quarterback, uh, card this season.


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[Assistant] He's left three games with shoulder injuries. The first coming when he sustained an AC joint sprain against the Packers in week three. The other two re-aggravated the original injury. Twice he left the game with a concussion. Sunday he revealed that he has fractured three ribs this season.


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[Assistant] Only one of those ribs made it into the team's injury report this season. I don't remember him saying that he had a rib on it. When did that do it? Cause I'll cover all of this stuff and I didn't see not one time he had a rib injury on there.


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[Assistant] Coach Allen said Monday that prior to the Lions game, which car left with a concussion and after mentioned injuries to his shoulder and ribs. I remember shoulders.


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[Assistant] In chess, I don't remember a rib issue on the injury report. Y'all tell me in the chat, did y'all remember hearing anything about him having rib issues or a rib placed on the injury list? I cover those lists from Wednesday to Friday. I don't remember one time.


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[Assistant] That there was a rib injury placed on that list. Cause I would have covered, I would say, families, you got a rib, they showing the rib here.


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[Assistant] I don't remember one time that was, and I covered this is what I do. So it's just, man, listen, man, this is terrible. And of one of those injuries made it to the teams.


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[Assistant] Which car left with a concussion and aforementioned injuries to his shoulder and ribs? Car was not limited in practice by rib injuries.


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[Assistant] After cl- how the man not- how- you got three broken ribs and you're not inj- see this is the clownish-


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[Assistant] Stupid back-ass behavior and a lying sneaky, sneaky behavior of a, of a sneaky.


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[Assistant] Weasley coach that talks like this. You have three broken ribs.


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[Assistant] Three broken ribs mean you're not going to behave the same damn way if you throw in the ball. You got three ribs broken.


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[Assistant] Most people can't drive with broken ribs. You mean to tell me you gonna go out there and play a football game with people smashing and pushing you down on the ground? Falling on you?


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[Assistant] I mean, it, it, it don't impact his game. Three broken ribs don't hoop.


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[Assistant] Who is this dude, Superman? Who, I mean, how does three broken ribs, not one, not two, but three, don't impact your game?


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[Assistant] Which car left with concussions and aforementioned injuries after clearing the concussion protocol?


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[Assistant] Card play through all those injuries against Carolina, prompting the question for Janis Allen about whether his quarterback was truly healthy enough to play.


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[Assistant] He certainly wasn't, he certainly wasn't in my mind a hundred percent.


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[Assistant] But he was more than healthy enough to go out there and play for real, bro.


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[Assistant] The dude coming off of two concussions in 21 days, that's double impact.


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[Assistant] Not to mention the fact that he has three broken ribs and.


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[Assistant] An ACL strain that hasn't healed properly because according to the medical documents that we researched on it, that's outside of what they're saying.


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[Assistant] You can't be doing anything with that shoulder foot to heal properly.


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[Assistant] This is insane, but James Winston is totally healthy sitting right there. Why not sit car down for a month of games? Refuse to do it. Would rather play this man with all of these, these injuries.


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[Assistant] And of course, car finish Sunday game 119 yards past two touchdowns and one interception. Like I said.


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[Assistant] Broken ribs would stop Superman from throwing the ball, man. I mean, come on, bro.


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[Assistant] But anyway, it's just one of them things that's really ridiculous, man, to see. But anyway.


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[Assistant] This is another one shout out to Kat Terrell over at ESPN. She says, car and every car have no issues with the sideline riff. She covered that. Dennis Allen mentioned.


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[Assistant] That he said McCoy told reporters in the locker room after the game that he lost his school and said the public fight deserved a public apology.


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[Assistant] McCoy apologized to Carvier. Reporters in the locker room card did not elaborate on what caused the spat saying both players had their reasons for being upset. We already know.


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[Assistant] He also said that it had already been dissolved. And see, the thing is, resolved. You know, we know Carr gets into it with everybody. He gets into it with everybody. He gets into it with McCoy. McCoy don't give a... When the last time you guys heard Eric McCoy get into it with anybody?


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[Assistant] Eric McCoy is the most docile, friendliest person the saints have there. He's a gentle giant.


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[Assistant] You know, but he don't give anybody any smoke. He's a super, he's a super coolest dude they have in that building. Sometimes we'd be like, come on, we got to kind of get Eric.


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[Assistant] You know, to kind of get up, come on Eric, get, get, you know, get, you know, get, get bucked. You gotta, trying to prompt him to show something outside of just being cool and smooth. You know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] And he bucking, I mean, he literally barking at Derek Carr and Carr barking back at, Carr gets into it with everybody.


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[Assistant] He gets into it with everybody. You know, it don't matter, it don't matter who it is. Derek Carr, he gonna get into, if you own a team with Derek Carr, he gonna get into it with you. It don't make a difference who it is or where it is. If Carr is involved, he's going to get into it with you.


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[Assistant] That's just how it goes. That's how it is. And that's what it is. It's just how it goes. You know, so anyway.


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[Assistant] Like I'm saying fam, I just, we know what time it is with this whole situation and it's not really, uh, you know, nothing to really kind of brag or talk about is the fact that we know that


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[Assistant] He gets into it with everybody. That's just how, that's just how he, that's just what he does.


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[Assistant] You know, that's just how the man do. He gets into it with everybody. So we kind of already expected them to cool off. And when I seen the angle, it looked like he was.


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[Assistant] Parking that dog and the offensive line was in between them. I've seen it when I see car going back and forth with them, but they said they.


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[Assistant] Apologize. Well, apologize and got the game over with and got it in the win.


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[Assistant] But McCarr don't bark at nobody, man. So that was pretty good as hers kind of got in between them.


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[Assistant] McCoy walked to the, to the bench with other offensive linemen and slammed his helmet down.


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[Assistant] Karr went the other way and sat down with the quarterbacks. Few players and they'll mark, uh, Kamara came over to talk to McCarr.


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[Assistant] Me and Eric have no issue. Carl said, I mean, that's the same thing. Carl gets into it with everything. He got into it with Crystal Lobby. He got into it with Michael Thomas. He got into it with Eric McCoy. It's a game.


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[Assistant] Who would, it's become like a betting game almost. Who would, who would Derek Carr get into it with it next? We are taking takers. Who do you guys think that Derek, that uh, Derek Carr is going to get into it with that? Who is he going to get into it with it next?


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[Assistant] You know, he got, he had something with Rashid Shahid. Who will he get into with it next? I mean, who y'all think it's going to be?


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[Assistant] Is it, is it, is it gonna be Hearst next or perhaps it's Cesar Ruiz? My money's on Cesar Ruiz.


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[Assistant] Cesar be missing them blocks. I think it'll be, I'm thinking it's probably going to be doing, it's going to be Cesar Re, Cesar Re's.


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[Assistant] All right. So anyway, man, like I said, it's what it is, man. He gets into it with people. That's just what it is when it's frustration, when people are frustrated.


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[Assistant] And they don't agree and Carr didn't like what happened on the previous plate when he got sacked on.


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[Assistant] You kind of draw that Eric McCoy, McCoy got the barking at him about something and that's how it goes. Like I said, he got into it with other people when you're losing and you, when you're what? Six and 17.


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[Assistant] And you're supposed to be better than that. Something wins or whatever the case may be. And guys are frustrated. They're going to do it. And sometimes, and a lot of times, car don't take.


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[Assistant] Responsibility for stuff, like he won't take overall, like if you're, you're the 150 million dollar quarterback, stand before your team, like.


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[Assistant] Why are we underachieving this us? Don't just say it takes 11 people to win and just sit, stand, you know, that's not how a leader would do. We know how leaders look because we know how Drew Brees look. Drew Brees would stand before the team and say, listen, offense struggling, that's on me. We got, you know, I have to do better. He puts himself ahead of the team. That's a leadership trait that Drew Brees learned.


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[Assistant] That'll then get his teammates behind him when they see him taking responsibility for things that they're messing up on. That makes them want to play better for Drew. Maybe something, maybe Carl should learn that little technique.


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[Assistant] You know, he, he, if he wants them to play for him better, that's just the same thing. That's just when anything, if you're a leader of the team, you're going to want to take the blows for the team. You see what I'm saying? Step out in front of them. That makes them want to play harder for you. That's just what it is, you know?


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[Assistant] So anyway, as we keep it going man, let's move on to the next topic here because this is really nothing to talk about with Carr being, uh, you know, what happened with him and McCoy.


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[Assistant] It will, you know, let's see if they can just get on the same page the next time around. It happens, man. It really does happen.


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[Assistant] Anyway, let's go to the next point right here. Let's hear from Dennis Allen, man. Today's press conference, man. Let's get, uh, hear what he got to say. Y'all put one in the chat if y'all can hear Dennis Allen.


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[Assistant] That's interesting. Let me give a two cents on that family. It's interesting about the Zach Bowen thing. Remember the Zach Bowen is in the final year of his rookie contract.


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[Assistant] The Saints drafted him, I think they moved up to go and get him in the third round several years ago.


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[Assistant] He was a guy that got multiple sacks out of the University of Wisconsin and the majority of the time he was a guy that was on the line, the defensive line rushing the quarterback. So when Sean Payton.


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[Assistant] In the last year of Zach Moines' contract to see if he can rush to pass her. He did get a sack.


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[Assistant] In, uh, recently and, but the thing is like he talked about the limiting.


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[Assistant] His role as a linebacker has been limited since he's been here.


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[Assistant] And I was like, why is this guy, he's played special teams, he's done the best he could do to kind of get on the field.


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[Assistant] And he just wasn't a guy that fit what the saints was doing.


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[Assistant] And I thought that they should have cut bait and run on Zach Vaughn anyway, but is this an opportunity for them to say, okay, listen.


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[Assistant] We finally figured out how to use them in.


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[Assistant] With the contract up, I don't see much of a big market for him unless Sean Payton wants him in Denver or somebody else wants him. He wants to go back home to Green Bay or somewhere up there. I don't really see.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, unless he takes a cheaper contract to stay with the Saints.


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[Assistant] You know, using them, using them in that way, you know, that's, that's kind of a, that's something that we were, been supposed to do.


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[Assistant] But he never truly, and listen, Zach Bourne has, that never was his thing.


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[Assistant] Even though he had the athleticism at times, you'll notice that Zach would take bad angles, pursuit angles, and he would be out of position to defend on passes that's going over his head.


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[Assistant] Uh, and then Kaden Ellis kind of performed. Kaden was a seventh round draft pick that came on and then kind of.


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[Assistant] Jumped ahead of his thing, but he, Kate had more of a, a feel for playing a linebacker position, even though he got, he, he would get caught out of position at times, but he improved upon that, especially in that pay year.


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[Assistant] Zach Bourne on the other hand with the Saints, never truly a scheme fit for them. He's like, he said, Alan said, I don't see him as a full-time defensive end. No, he's not because he's, he'll get ran on.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a guy that you send in a situationally pass at times.


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[Assistant] But if they switch to a run and they run to his side, he, he's, they, they just, that they will get good yardage on that side. So very interesting that they finally kind of admit into what's going on with Zach Barnes.


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[Assistant] So an undrafted linebacker, Nephi Sewell, has supplanted Zach Bourne in a linebacker rotation. Just getting that clear.


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[Assistant] Nephi Sewell has leaped ahead of Zach Bourne. I just don't understand why the Saints just didn't.


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[Assistant] The thing about Carr, we covered a lot of this in the first segment of the show before we got to the interview.


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[Assistant] Uh, I disagree with Dennis Allen on this whole car thing. I think it is absolutely irresponsible. I think it's very irresponsible.


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[Assistant] For a head coach to play as quarterback and this guy has all these interests.


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[Assistant] And we often talked about the injuries and how the Saints hide injuries. Most, a lot of NFL teams do it, but the team that, the team that I cover, the Saints, they do it a lot. They did it during the Sean and Peyton administration. They do it all the time. This is a technique that kind of held over.


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[Assistant] They, when, when Carr got slammed down, you can look at his motions. He, he doesn't have the same zip on the ball that he has, even the deep ball that he threw, where.


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[Assistant] Uh, the guy caught up to Chris Olavi to knock the ball away in the Carolina game. It was under, it was behind him.


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[Assistant] If he was healthy, that would, that throw would have been made really easy because that's his best throw.


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[Assistant] His best throw is that throw when he throws that ball out front of the guy and the guy runs up under it. That is his best throw and he couldn't even get that ball past to get that ball ahead of the wide receiver. Chris Olavi had to wait on it.


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[Assistant] You can see it in how he plays if you watch film prior to him coming to the Saints and watch how he throws the ball. It's a whole nother different thing. It's a whole, everything's different.


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[Assistant] Like it's the, the accuracy is off. Like when he scrambled out to throw that ball to Jawan Johnson, not the Carolina game, but the game before Carolina.


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[Assistant] Detroit Lions game, they rolled out to the same side and he fired the ball three, like, I don't know how many feet ahead of him, like at least three or four feet ahead of Jawan Johnson. I was like.


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[Assistant] How do you roll out to the same side your wide receiver is and still throw the ball out front of him by like two or three feet? How do you do that? And I'm like, how, how, because it's like, that's a part of that injury. Like that shoulder is them ribs, all that works together and this dude operating.


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[Assistant] With painkillers, that's what it is. They shooting them up with painkillers and pain. If you ever had that done.


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[Assistant] That numbs a lot of stuff and you can't, you don't, you can't exactly get a bead on what you're doing. Which is the reason, and that's the thing.


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[Assistant] I know a lot of people don't like Derek Carr. Me personally, I think Carr is alright. But, the thing is...


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[Assistant] Guys, you have to protect your player. You have to protect your player. There are several really menacing injuries that this guy has. His shoulders toe up. You can't have him throwing the ball with that AC spring. He has to sit down and not have any activity with that shoulder.


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[Assistant] That shoulder has to be in a sling and you can't be throwing with it. That's what they said the first.


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[Assistant] Well, he can't be using that arm to throw anything. He has to be in the sling first and then after a certain period of time.


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[Assistant] Then you start the rehabilitation process like working it and doing all this stuff. That was never followed. Never followed. See, that's the thing about the internet.


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[Assistant] You having the ability to be able to look up information firsthand and find out how it goes and be like, they're not doing that.


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[Assistant] They're not following with the medical report saying how you supposed to heal. And that was not talking about a regular person. It was talking about an athlete, how athletes supposed to deal with that sprain or strain. But the reality at the end of the day is regardless of that AC shoulder issue,


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[Assistant] He has broken ribs that he himself admitted to three of them.


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[Assistant] And concussions, two of them in 21 days, which is incredibly dangerous.


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[Assistant] If somebody, and he was taking abuse in the, in the Carolina game, he was slammed down, guy grabbed them and slammed them down face first into the turf. Face first into the turf. So like, like I was saying, man, I was like, listen.


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[Assistant] He was getting knocked down. He was getting, you know, he was getting beat up on in the game. They were doing, I was like, family, you see they taking shots at him, knocking them down. They trying to hurt him.


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[Assistant] Or make him, or make him hurt even more than what he is. Cause they knew he was hurt. Let's just beat him up and see what he does. And then the saints are out there not protecting them.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Dennis Allen has a healthy quarterback as a backup that he can roll out there and let Carr sit down for two or three weeks, getting it together. Now they in press mode right now with a month worth of games remaining. And now you're going to try to get Derek Carr.


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[Assistant] To be in there to try. This is, this is not good, man. He's healthy enough to play.


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[Assistant] In what world are we living in that car is healthy enough to play with two concussions in less than a month?


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[Assistant] Two concussions in less than a month, a tore up shoulder and three broken ribs. What reality is Dennis Allen living in when the guy is good enough to go? I just don't get this. This guy is absolutely crazy, man. This is insane.


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[Assistant] And that's why I get on the saints like that because this shouldn't be the case. If a, if a player is too hurt to play or a player has broken ribs.


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[Assistant] And he has a shoulder issue where he, where he's affecting his accuracy, his drawing is the D ball. And then he has concussions, two concussions in a month's, less than a month's time. It is, it don't make any sense for him to be out there trying to play football and he's still getting sacked on.


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[Assistant] And throwing on the ground hard and people are taking shots on them. Pause.


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[Assistant] So I mean, at the end of the day, I think it's ridiculous. MDOT Nelson says we called the queue. They're going to come out. He says they were going to come out with the injuries, but this is the thing we often talk about fam. They, that they hide injuries. And I said it months ago. I said, this dude.


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[Assistant] Either has busted ribs or broken ribs, something wrong with this dude.


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[Assistant] And people gonna still say Q, he's faking the injuries, but I don't know what, where is that coming from, bro?


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[Assistant] I don't understand the logic and why would he be faking injuries, bro. I'm not going to entertain that bro, but that don't make any sense to me. You know, but anyway, MDOT, thank you for the super check.


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[Assistant] I, I was in disagreement with them and I like Blake Rupee. I really do. I like Blake Gilligan better than I like Hetley. To me, Gilligan's a better punter than Hetley is. That's just me.


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[Assistant] But in terms of Group A, Group A is a good young kicker. I like him. I like him a lot.


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[Assistant] But when you take rookies, you got to have patience. That's what the report is asking them. You have to be stressing these guys to have more patience with his rookie kicker that he chose.


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[Assistant] Overwheel Lutz when he shipped Wheel Lutz to Denver for what? A seven round draft pick? A starting NFL kicker?


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[Assistant] You sent them away for a second round, seventh round draft pick to Sean Payton to his buddy.


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[Assistant] And Will Lutz is cooking pretty good out there with Denver to be honest, which, you know, but Dennis Allen.


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[Assistant] When he missed the kick, missed the kick, the snap wasn't all that. If you watched the, the snap and then the hole, the hole wasn't all that.


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[Assistant] And then he hit it and then it kind of knuckled ball to the left there.


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[Assistant] But he should have given him an opportunity when he was lined up around, what was it, around the 35, 40 yard line. He could have called Blake Grupe in there to redeem himself, but he didn't. He decided to punt it from there.


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[Assistant] I was like, why are we punting inside of the 50 yard, inside of our, inside of their, you know, on their side of the field.


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[Assistant] Give your young kicker who you chose an opportunity to redeem himself. See that plays in the psyche of his young kicker now because it appears that the coach has lost faith in him where he didn't allow him to go out there and redeem himself in the game.


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[Assistant] Made these calls, you gotta stick with these guys. Just like you sticking with car, you gotta stick with that kicker too. Come on now.


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[Assistant] Alright, let me pause that right quick. Shout out to Brent, man. Appreciate the cash app, Brent, he says. For third place, Big Q, come on, man. Alright. Yeah, we in third right now, bro. Uh, well, as people would say, you're tied for first.


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[Assistant] You know, they, they would spin it, but actually, you know, those guys have the tiebreakers. Both of the guys ahead of us, like you guys know, have the tiebreaker. Brent also has a possum and a pear tree. Yeah, you go to...


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[Assistant] A possum in a pear tree. Yeah, I know along with all the car injuries. And he says, but vanilla possum chowder sticks to your ribs. Hey bro, come on now, dawg.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Dennis Allen is saying a lot, man, uh, here and a lot, a lot of some of the things he's saying I agree upon, like some of the things he's saying that they have to improve upon. Uh, and listen, the next four, and he understands this well enough, the next four games, the next month worth of games, family.


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[Assistant] He's basically coaching for his life here. He knows it.


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[Assistant] This team and a lot of people say fam, we want them to lose.


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[Assistant] Listen, this will, this four game stretch right here will tell everything. And like I said.


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[Assistant] The Sunday matchup against the Giants who are on the two game loo- winning streak.


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[Assistant] They're not going to be easy. And then right after that, the following Thursday, after that Sunday matchup, the Saints have the matchup against the Rams. They got to travel out to Los Angeles to take on the Rams who lost to the Baltimore Ravens by a kick return.


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[Assistant] What was it? A kick return? I think it was a punt return or a kick return. I watched it. That dude ran it back. Wallace ran it back for like 76 yards. That's how they beat the Rams on an overtime kick return or a punt return. I think it was. I think it was a kick return. Beat them that way. A special teams touchdown.