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[Assistant] I shouldn't be able to get a perfect fitness score, but I'm going to try to defy WeLogic and get a perfect fitness score so I at least can tell everybody that I might not look it, but I am.


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[Assistant] 100% fit according to Wii Sports. Well, if I already missed one, does that mean I'm already not gonna get a perfect score? So my-


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[Assistant] Well, there's two I missed. Oh, there's three I missed. I'm blind as a bat.


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[Assistant] What, what am I swinging at? Alright, something tells me I'm- Oh, fucking shit. Something tells me I'm not getting a perfect Wii Fit. How do I miss that? It picked the hardest, frickin- NO!


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[Assistant] It picked the hardest frickin' games for me. Like I am not good at bolt- STOP! Whatever.


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[Assistant] That we are not getting a perfect Wii Fit agent on this one. Hitting home runs. Now this, this is something I can do.


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[Assistant] Alright, maybe not. Maybe I can't do this. I, I still gotta get in the zone, you know? I'm really out of the zone right now. That's what we're gonna go with. That's not gonna be a homerun, I can tell you that. Don't know why we even gotta watch that ball. That might be a homerun though. The ballpark's...


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[Assistant] Made for little leagues. Wait, I only hit three home runs that whole time? Oof.


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[Assistant] I'm guessing 20 is the best? Okay, I gotta shoot it right at this, at this dude right in the middle. Oh, that's perfect. I'm, I'm really good at this. I'm not very good at this anymore.


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[Assistant] Don't get so disappointed when I don't hit it right. This is impossible! Oh nice, that's still, that's still okay.


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[Assistant] My bat went right through the ball. Alright, I think this is gonna be my hotspot here. I think I can do it good here. Every time, the first time I do it perfect. And then it just falls apart. Matt? I guess that's kinda what you'd expect Matt to sound like.


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[Assistant] Wait, this isn't, I'm sure this isn't helping my Wii Fit age. Punching Matt.


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[Assistant] This returning balls is one of the Wii fitness test's favorite things to have me do. I think it's cause I'm ass at it.


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[Assistant] God dang, how do you, how do you, HOW DO YOU MISS THOSE?! There's no- Okay, three in a row, that's a little bit excessive. Okay, now we're hitting the net. GET IT OVER THE NET! There you go. Something tells me this one ain't gonna be good either, it's gonna be worse.


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[Assistant] Oh, actually no, it's not that bad. Why is returning balls? Why is this game so obsessed with me returning balls? I gotta get this perfect. Well, fuck me. The second I say that, I miss. And I missed a second time. What's, what's the fucking point? What's the fucking point?


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[Assistant] Fuck, I knew it! I knew, I was about to say I actually did good this time. I knew I'd miss that last one.


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[Assistant] But I only missed two. I didn't get home runs only two of the balls, but I did so bad at everything else, I'm still gonna do terrible. Well, 35 isn't terrible, but not, not great.


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[Assistant] Hitting home run. I just wish we'd get some different frickin' tasks here, not the same thing over and over and over. I'm just losing my mind at this point, and that's why


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[Assistant] Dude, you gave me an underhand picture, I can't read these.


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[Assistant] Well fuck, Matt, that ain't gonna make it. Oh my god. Not only am I not hitting home runs, I'm not even hitting the ball.


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[Assistant] Jesus, yeaah, that's, that's the hit we were looking for. Where's the foul ball derby? There we go, finally! Halfway through, we finally hit a home run.


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[Assistant] But that's it out of the park! Damn, that should be worth like five. Or it just makes up for that one.


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[Assistant] And then I fuck it up every time. No, no, no, no, no, no. Alright, no. I'm not going through this. The second I screw up, I gotta restart. That's- I gotta do it.


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[Assistant] Oh wow. So even though I restarted, it still thinks I took the fitness test? Wow. So now I need to go to another new meet.


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[Assistant] Okay, I guess I can't restart because it's, I'm gonna go through too many means. I just have to, I just have to do it right. I just have to not screw up. Now I can tell you this one is not gonna, if you throw it too slow, I always know it's gonna go way left. Even though I'm twisting my remote right, it's gonna go way left because that's just what it does.


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[Assistant] I don't even care. Alright, that's it. I don't, I, I don't wanna hit balls back, back and forth. It is, it is more worth it to me to go to the Wii menu. This is, this is gonna be the one. This is gonna be the time that we get a perfect Wii fitness age. Oh, I can tell, cause this girl, she's gonna suck at pitching.


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[Assistant] Ah fuck, she does it underhand. I can't figure those out. I wish I could quit right now. I just want to quit, to be honest with you.


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[Assistant] Why does it keep on going left now? Damn it. I don't know if that's good enough.


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[Assistant] It is the same three events every time and I hate returning balls. Returning balls sucks. Returning balls sucks. I hate you, uh, Lisa. I don't wanna return your stupid stinky balls.


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[Assistant] 31. That's like the best I can do. I was 30 and 31.


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[Assistant] But, but for some reason it thinks my balance is super good. Maybe I should do some bowling. I was really, I was really nailing those, uh, bowling shots when I was funk ops, so.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna go in as FunkOps and try to get a perfect game here now.


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[Assistant] It's unbelievable how far right I'm turning my Wii Remote, yet it goes left.


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[Assistant] And it, it curved even more left. Oh, see, that's what I wanna do. That, that's, oh, but that was just a spare, because I frickin' missed every pin. Ugh.


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[Assistant] Nevermind. Bowling was ruined. Okay, are we gonna, are we gonna fucking just go?


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[Assistant] Ugh, why do we always do that? We could have went one under, but now, now we gotta make this putt, which is never a given. There we go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it could've been better if Funkops wasn't dogshit. I wish I was this good at golf in real life.


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[Assistant] Man, I thought we were about to go on the PGA tour there for a second.


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[Assistant] This is like the hardest putt ever here cause you can't, you can't hit a Wii remote this soft. Well I did it. Well that is not enough.


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[Assistant] I swear to god, every time I hit the ball, it goes into a bunker. It doesn't matter!


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[Assistant] Bless. I'm so good at getting it like within six inches. Oh, I don't think I got enough on it. I don't think it... Fuck.


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[Assistant] Well that's gonna ruin our game. I hope I got enough on it.


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[Assistant] This is gonna ruin, this is gonna ruin everything I've done so far on these nine holes. This one hole is going to destroy my whole game.


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[Assistant] I swear to god, you've gotta be fucking kidding me. I finally get it on there and then it goes over.


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[Assistant] Now, we're one step closer to the edge, and now I'm about to break.


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[Assistant] Alright, we gotta really smack the crap out of it.


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[Assistant] I guess we didn't have to smack the crap out of it that much. Yeaah, start clapping for me now. This is the time to start clapping.


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[Assistant] Of course, it can't just go in the hole, it's gotta stop 2 inches short. Stroke 11.


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[Assistant] Wooo! Finally won in the hole. Six over par.


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[Assistant] Ugh. That is terrible. Alright, I'm done.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Yes, I would butter you up if I could see you.


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[Assistant] I would say this about the running back thing, and I agree with everybody's opinion, like I can't, you know, disagree with it, but I would say this, it's hard to compare


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[Assistant] Players in different offenses.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that have different options with different weapons. Right.


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[Assistant] And so, when you have a situation like, say, Nick Chubb,


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[Assistant] That change of pace might be Kareem Hunt and what he brings to the table and you trying to find a spot for him because he's very talented. Whereas you look at Pittsburgh, their options are not as...


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[Assistant] Sometimes, when that's your only option, they have to play three downs. And, and we sometimes


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[Assistant] We sometimes think that that means that one running back is better.


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[Assistant] But in actuality, his situation is different. I promise you, if I took Nick Chubb and put him in Pittsburgh's offense the last two years.


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[Assistant] He'd have more production than Nigel Harris.


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[Assistant] Nobody complained about, uh, Eric Metcalf not playing every down.


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[Assistant] Because when you have weapons where you can do a lot of different things,


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[Assistant] It doesn't necessarily mean that the players are limited. It just means that the offense is not limited.


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[Assistant] Well, Lorenzo White played in a run and shoot offense. He ran for 1200, 1300 yards.


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[Assistant] And everybody said, whoa, went to Pro Bowls. This guy's a stud. We signed him in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Made it uncomfortable for him. It's not saying he was a good or bad bat.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying that his success had a lot to do with the offense that he played in, and that every time he ran the football, it was nickel, it was dime, it was all these, to cover all these receivers.


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[Assistant] And not necessarily concentrate on the run. And it gave him space to operate. It gave him space to operate. Me, I was fortunate that when I played in college and I hated it, um, in order to get some carries, I had to play the fullback and the wishbone. Now,


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[Assistant] You want to talk about having to make quick decisions? I was one yard from the butt of the quarterback.


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[Assistant] So, you know, different offenses require different things. And I don't think, I think a lot of times we just look at the numbers and the production without understanding what that guy, how that guy fills that role in that offense.


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[Assistant] But when you have weapons all over the field, you know, I talked about it last week, eh, in the secondary, you got to guard against the deep, the middle, the short. Right. But now I put you in a play action situation. What are you going to do? You want to stop Nick Chubb and let Deshaun Watson have at it? Or?


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[Assistant] That's, it's a tough spot to be in if you're successful at it, but it all starts with running the football. Cause play action don't mean nothing if you're not running the football.


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[Assistant] Here's what I, here's what I would say about that is that I like all plays to start inside. If they should happen to go outside,


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[Assistant] Then it's the running back's discretion, it's what he sees, what he thinks he can take advantage of in that situation. If you start to play outside with the pursuit, a lot of times it can be a done deal as soon as you get the ball.


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[Assistant] But if you're going forward, everybody kind of pauses and it gives you the ability


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[Assistant] To make a read, whether it's go outside, whether it's off tackle, whether it's a cut back, uh, it gives you more flexibility. So, you know.


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[Assistant] For Nick Chubb, he does an incredible job of reading.


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[Assistant] What's in front of it. So I don't want to corner him by pointing him in a direction that limits that ability.


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[Assistant] You know, if you do a lot of zone stuff, I, I...


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[Assistant] I love zone blocking from the standpoint of rule number one. Stop penetration.


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[Assistant] I also know that from working with offensive linemen that I've worked with in that, I would always tell them, don't fight the pressure.


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[Assistant] So if somebody beat you across your face, I want you to drive him as far that way as you can. It's my job to run off of that.


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[Assistant] But if you try to jump around and tell me which way to run, he's going to back your butt up into the hole. So, you earn that ability, you know, to say, hey, I'm seeing things well.


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[Assistant] Uh, get a hat on a hat, I'll take care of the rest. I think that's when Nick Chubb does well. I think the only time you constrict him is if you say, hey, I want to run a toss.


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[Assistant] You know? He's doing, he's doing fine. Like, does he end up on the perimeter at times? Absolutely. Is it always designed to get out there?


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[Assistant] Yeah, is it always designed to go out there? No, but he has the flexibility. He can use his eyes and his ability to get to the open spot. Leroy, do you have a relationship with Nick at all? No, I know. I, you know, I haven't really been, you know, when I go to the facility, it's usually,


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[Assistant] You know, either really early or really late and, and I'm over there, you know, talking to like Kevin Mack and, and other people in the organization. But, um, I would like to, um, the one guy I want to meet is besides Nick Chubb.


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[Assistant] I gotta stand up next to Myles Garrett and see what in the world. Goodness. Lee Roy, I gotta tell you something. Hey, he is amazing.


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[Assistant] Right? I've seen big guys playing football, but not with that ability.


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[Assistant] Not with that explosiveness, not with that quickness, not with that skill set.


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[Assistant] Uhm, he is the outside version of Aaron Downs.


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[Assistant] Uh, I'ma try, you know what? I'ma try to coordinate it to where I come up a couple of times. Okay, listen.


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[Assistant] So, I'm from New Orleans. There ain't nothing that I can eat at a restaurant that I can't cook at my house or in my backyard.


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[Assistant] And I know he would take naked pictures cause I remember one time I was at the house and, uh, I was entertaining.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know he would because I would come home late at night.


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[Assistant] And he'd be sitting on his little porch and he'd come down and ask if she got a friend. And I'm like, yo man.


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[Assistant] You know who the best golfer on the team was when, uh, I, I was playing who you'd be shocked. The kicker, Brian kitchen. No kidding. Wow. That one. That is. Oh yeah. Kickers usually really kill it.


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[Assistant] The reason is, is because most of their movement is with their core.


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[Assistant] So when you think about the throwing motion of a pitcher, I mean of a quarterback, how he fires those hips, and then you think about a kicker, those movements are very similar to a golf swing. Interesting. How are you? You any good at golf?


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[Assistant] Then, uh, we'll, we'll go on that Saturday. We'll come up. Okay, that's great. On that Saturday, we'll go.


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[Assistant] You can tell somebody who is, uh, committed to it or somebody who's just out there to have fun. Um, and you could also tell.


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[Assistant] How good their core is. Like you'd be amazed at how hard it is to maintain that position. Right?


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[Assistant] That's a nice swing, big man. One of the biggest dudes that I've ever seen play is, uh, is Bulaga. I play with him in Sarasota and he hits it a ton. He's a good golfer. The Packers offensive lineman, right? Yeah.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's not, he's not, he's not there anymore. He didn't go back. I don't know. I think he, he was in San Diego.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'm telling you this, I will never give up that experience. Um, if only for the Ohio state game. Um, you have to be a part of that to understand the magnitude of it, uh, what it meant and how much fun it was that week. Uh, so, uh, I went to the right school. I was three in one.


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[Assistant] Oh, you wanna hear a story? So, who was the, uh, the wire receiver that got drafted in the first round by the Dolphins? Ted Ginn. He's a coach at, uh, he's a coach at, uh, no, not Ted Ginn. No, no. Brian Hartline. Before him.


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[Assistant] First or second one, so, so we interviewed him and you know, me and my bravado, I'ma talk trash if I see a butt guy, I have to, right? I say so.


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[Assistant] You know, they give out these little gold pants when they went beat Michigan.


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[Assistant] I said, hey, heart line, I was three in one.


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[Assistant] But even, even at Michigan, even in the NFL, he was intense like this. Dude, he was a linebacker playing quarterback.


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[Assistant] You bet, bots wanted a chance to really let loose. I'll be competing too. Cool, huh? Yeah.


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[Assistant] I see his strategy. Now I know how to beat him!


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[Assistant] Sorry, I didn't mean to wake you up. You didn't.


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[Assistant] The mighty Sunfighter, huh? That really takes me back. I know, right? It's strange being here. I remember everything like it happened yesterday. We went through a lot together. These guys are pretty cool. Yeah, they are. Was it different than with me? Did you get along with them right away? Not at all. Actually, I think it was worse than it was with you. You're kidding. Wish I was.


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[Assistant] I'll tell you all about it. When I first met bots...


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[Assistant] I heard you guys are big heroes in the Buddy Police now. If Drum is here, then Gao will be even tougher as an opponent. I know. He is definitely the guy to beat now.


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[Assistant] Jack and I were invited to be on the ticket. Whoa, no way! This is awesome! Another one of Guru's surprises. I guess! Listen, Gao. Huh? I'd like to give you something.


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[Assistant] I'm confused. It was your card in the first place, Tasuku! I just wanted to see your gargantuan Punisher. One more time. That's really nice. You got a deal. I accept!


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[Assistant] It's a festival! A festival! A festival opening festival! So, you didn't get the opening fight? Nah.


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[Assistant] What's new with Betsy and Jay? Weekdays at 5 on 3. Recognize that feeling?


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[Assistant] To west, to south. Stories of perseverance, of family, of love. If a story brings us together, it's what matters most.


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[Assistant] So, for in-depth analysis of how today's top stories affect you, your family, and our communities across Northeast Ohio.


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[Assistant] I'm doing great, I was fucking partying my ass off in Vegas all weekend, so I'm feeling like a fucking million bucks.


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[Assistant] Damn, two coffee cups with no coffee. That's what I'm guessing.


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[Assistant] It's all good. Some things are just classics, you know? There's just certain things that you can't deny yourself, such as the double cup. It looks cool. It's effective.


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[Assistant] No, it's all good. So uhm, what are you out here in LA for? You still live in Chicago, right?


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[Assistant] That's crazy. So you decided to make the big move. Why'd you decide to do that?


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[Assistant] You've been around all that shit for too long. So, you know, I was talking to Andrew Barber, who's a good friend of mine earlier today, and his description of you was basically, he goes, that kid emailed me and I just looked at it randomly and then I had him in the office the next day because I just knew there was something about him. Does that sound about right?


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[Assistant] Looks crazy, yeaah. It's pretty wild because like today, alright, so my boy Hesh, Hesh N-Word, as his Twitter name is, he...


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[Assistant] So, but then today, like I was, you know, today driving back from Vegas, I was listening to your soundcloud for like two hours straight, just listening to everything. And I totally thought that I had your like style kind of figured out. But then my fucking boy, uh, Netarb, you know, Netarb Nagrom, he makes all the beats and shit.


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[Assistant] He hit me up and said that Alternative Trap was his favorite fucking mixtape in 2013, so then I go back and I start listening to that shit, and I'm like, whoa, this dude has fucking evolved like crazy over the past few years. So, was that like, had that project just came out when you first started fucking with Andrew Barber?


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[Assistant] So was, was Keith a huge inspiration to you? Or was Chance? Because it's like, I know everybody always wants to try to compare you to either of them.


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[Assistant] So you come from, from that kind of scene of like sort of hanging out around like that, that local venue, so a bunch of local talent sort of came from that scene you're saying?


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[Assistant] Well, if you're in his position where you have that insane wave of success, it's almost like, all of a sudden you could have, you know, if you do drugs, you could have infinity drugs. If you fuck with bitches, you could have infinity bitches. So it's like, you kinda need to make a decision.


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[Assistant] What you're gonna do at that point, because you, you either are gonna fucking get, get in deep with that shit.


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[Assistant] That's so crazy, you had the front seat. Cause I remember, I'm sorry, I'm getting really excited. I remember reading about like, uh, you know, how a hundred percent came from the high schools. Was that like your experience that like his whole wave came from that? And did that inspire like a million other motherfuckers that you know like to start rapping?


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[Assistant] DJ Akademics versus Trump. Just kidding. Shot Rock Savages. You never, but Chief Keefe, uh, he inspired you to do a lot of drugs, but he didn't inspire you to like, go get a Draco and like start shooting up like, little kids or something.


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[Assistant] But were you ever that guy, were you ever like super super like, cause I hear a lot of gang references on your songs to be honest. Was that always like part of life for you or not?


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[Assistant] Did something just fall over, or was that the scale? Oh shit. Damn the scale. Weigh it on the scale. That's a scale for sending out shirts, not anything else.


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[Assistant] It goes smoothly. And then don't, don't confess to your body on a podcast at a later date.


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[Assistant] Okay, but this is what I wanted to say when we started talking about Chief Keef though, is that you are in a somewhat similar position to him where you could play the game, like you could fucking go for trying to be like a pop star, you know, mainstream, like with him and Interscope, like you could definitely do that, like you probably-


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[Assistant] Could go in a much more commercial direction and shit, but instead it seems like most of the time, when you're putting stuff out, you're in your own fucking lane. It doesn't seem like you're taking direction from like a label and shit.


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[Assistant] Hey, but you know what, that's crazy, when you're talking about Keith or your career, it's really like, what do you want? Like, what do you want out of life? Because you can spend all your time


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[Assistant] Yeah, like that's how I feel. It's like, I was very, very, very honest about it for all those years that I wasn't shit. So it's like, how am I supposed to start lying and downplaying myself?


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[Assistant] Once I start getting to where I wanted to go all those years. How am I going to start lying now? You know, and that's what I don't understand about how people could be like, oh yea, be humble, be humble. It's like, I'm being honest and I was being honest before too. If anything, I think I'm trying to.


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[Assistant] Oh, look at them two phones. I got a bunch of, uh, a bunch of fan questions that I thought were pretty interesting.


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[Assistant] I like the smile on your face right now. Hey, let's talk about you being like probably one of the, like,


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[Assistant] I have a conspiracy theory in my head that you might have been like employed by the Xanax industry to like spread awareness of the Xans. Let's just talk about that because your music, it sounds like you're off the Xans in your music. It is often about being on the Xans in your music. What was it like when you got into this and do you still do them? Some kids said that you might have quit.


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[Assistant] What the fuck? How'd you get so bad with it and how'd you stop? Did you have to go to rehab?


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[Assistant] Damn. But was it, doesn't it take like months for you to feel normal after that shit?


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[Assistant] Hey, so why do you love Kurt Cobain so much? That's one thing a lot of people wanted to ask about.


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[Assistant] Are you in a period of self-destruction in general would you say?


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[Assistant] In the sense that like, does it have a detrimental effect on your life because you're fucking spending too much time dealing with them?


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[Assistant] It's so obvious that you're under the influence in some of your music that kids just relate to that shit directly and just feel that it completely describes what they're dealing with. You say what?


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[Assistant] No, I'm just talking about like the, the, the influence that your music could have on kids and like how that makes you want to change or manipulate your art, you know?


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[Assistant] But that's interesting that he says write about yourself as if you were like a news reporter because I really do think that some of the best rap music is written


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[Assistant] By stuff like, guys who are looking at themselves from an outside perspective and describing...


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[Assistant] Their, their own lives and not from like the me perspective, but like they're observing themselves, sorta like from above.


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[Assistant] And that's like, like when people talk about like how great Nas was, that was like his real gift, I think, on Illmatic was that he was talking about himself like from the outside in, you know?


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[Assistant] You know, that's like, and a lot of the greats, that's what they say about Kendrick. That's what they say about fucking...


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[Assistant] Just reporters, that's what it's all about. Hey, I wanted to know, how do you know Cardi? How'd that song come about?


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I hear. It's gotta be weird being in his position because he's still getting stupid money, but then like his whole like public image, it's like, I was at a party one time and like these bitches were fucking trying to fight him and shit, like he's just got like this whole cloud hanging above his head the way people act about him now.


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[Assistant] Cause that's like LA, once you get out here, that's what you can start doing, is you can start running up on everybody all the time and just be Mr. Networking Guy. But, I don't know if you want to go down that road.


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[Assistant] Are you planning like right now for like your next time you put music out? Like are you planning on making a big splash? Are you in a different state of mind right now compared to like-


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[Assistant] Do you know how one of the creepiest things happened listening to you today on Soundcloud? For some reason, there's one song and it's only a minute and 47 seconds long.


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[Assistant] And it plays and then at the very end of the song, it just repeats like the last like three seconds of the song over and over and over like infinitely.


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[Assistant] And we were sitting there in the car and we listened to it for like five minutes straight before my homeboy was like, yo.


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[Assistant] I had to do one more, fuck it. They were asking about Danny Brown, who I know you went on tour with, I was listening to the collab today, that shit was crazy.


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[Assistant] To some people, like, I don't know how- No, I was just doing that. No, it's fine. I don't-


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[Assistant] I don't know how you describe how your music has changed, but to some people, I think that they, their opinion is that you went in more of a mumble rap direction and that you went in a more, a less coherent direction that's more just you being totally fucked up, guttural.


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[Assistant] Sometimes, he's a dude you gotta, you gotta be on Rap Genius with Future sometimes, cause he really do be kinda mumbling and you can't tell what he's saying sometimes, but when you actually like, really, cause sometimes it'll be like the second verse towards the end of the verse where all of a sudden he'll just say the realest shit ever and just surprise the fuck outta you.


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[Assistant] You know, if you think about it, like what is music all about? Music really is all about trying to find that one pure moment.


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[Assistant] Where you just hear somebody saying something so real or just sounding so passionate that you just know that in that moment that they were totally like one with themselves.


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[Assistant] You know? And like drugs are actually kind of like a shortcut for people to try to get to that state.


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[Assistant] And it's like, like, like, the same things, like, you know, people will go do acid and then they'll have like a discovery about themselves and they'll become like a totally different person. Or I'm gonna be totally honest with you, there's been times in my life where I was like-


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[Assistant] I fuck with you too. Yo, but you know, you have moments in life, like, I've been gone off Molly before, and seeing a version of myself that was


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[Assistant] Better than what I am and then felt like I could be that person after, you know, like the next day or whatever.


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[Assistant] There's other times though where I did acid and then like just took a xana like 4 in the morning, went to sleep, woke up, felt fine.


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[Assistant] Cause that's like the thing with woods, you take them out for fucking 30 seconds and all of a sudden they're dry.


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[Assistant] Hey, so okay, Danny Brown, were you a fan of Danny Brown before you went on tour with him or collabed with him?


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[Assistant] So, you got that song done with him though, that shit was crazy. I'm like a monster Danny Brown fan, he's one of the greatest.


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[Assistant] I don't even understand why Red Bull just pays dudes to make songs, like how that works is interesting to me.


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[Assistant] I'm like lovingly holding a can of Red Bull even though they are not paying for me to do so and I just paid like $3 for this right now. Shout out to Red Bull who I'm not sponsored by.


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[Assistant] See, I only fuck with rappers who are not too big to ask for drank on Instagram or Twitter. As soon as you think you're too famous to ask for drugs on Twitter, it's over. You're mainstream. Get the fuck out.


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[Assistant] Damn, well, hey, at least you didn't get ripped off. Let's not waste my time bro.


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[Assistant] That's what my plan is for 2017 is I'm trying to transfer out of podcasting and just become like a lean dealer.


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[Assistant] Who's like, he's from like the UK and he's such a fucking cokehead and like, we were at Vegas for this like trade show thing.


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[Assistant] Alright, you want to wrap this up? Give me the, give me the lay down. Let me tell, or the low down. Tell me what is happening, what we need to look forward to, the people out there. I feel like a lot of people need to watch this interview. I hope motherfuckers hear this conversation we just had because it was pretty fun. I like this shit. I fuck with you too, man.


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[Assistant] But you can't change in that, because your Twitter is permanently fucking stuck like that, right?


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[Assistant] There's one here, too. The biggest graveyard west of the Rockies. Marshals and I usually get along much better when, uh, we understand that right away. Get your meaning, Doc.


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[Assistant] Thanks, believe it will. Mac, a glass of champagne for the Marshal. Make it whiskey. You're my guest, Marshal.


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[Assistant] I see we're in opposite camps, Marshal. Draw.


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[Assistant] The undiscovered country, from whose born no traveler returns, puzzles the will and makes us rather bear those ills we have than fly to others that we know not of.


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[Assistant] Look, Clem, we've always been frank with each other. The man you're talking about is already dead. John Holliday is dead. Everything was buried with him. His dreams, his ambitions, even his love for Clementine Carter.


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[Assistant] You've just given me a brilliant idea, Marshal. It's time I tempted fate.


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[Assistant] Tell Francois to fix a bridal breakfast. Flowers, champagne. You get in your prettiest dress. Tell him the queen is dead. Long live the queen.


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[Assistant] Chihuahua, why did you tell the marshal I gave you this jewelry?


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[Assistant] Sorry sir, can't find old dad this morning anywhere. Can't imagine where he is. Oh, thanks.


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[Assistant] Nope. You don't expect to get anything for that place. Not on the Dallas news, do you, Eddie? That's good. I'm kind of busy here anyhow. Who are you kidding?


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[Assistant] You have to start it with the thought that you will improve upon it. Like nobody's gonna start anything and...


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[Assistant] When you have these, uh, staunch positions and you have like these underhanded ways of people sticking language inside of things, knowing that they'll fail, you just kind of prolong the conversation. And so for me, you get started somewhere knowing that, hey,


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[Assistant] Some people will get hurt, some people will get taken advantage of, but if we take those things and we learn again, but I don't see how you're going to outfit every school with compliance directors by next month, next week or. Yeah, that's not, that's not happening, but that can become a convenient excuse as to how to keep on punting the ball.


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[Assistant] But, but you have adults who are being taken advantage of. There's many other professions and many careers of people.


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[Assistant] I'll say this, right? This thing has been on the table long enough that if Ohio wanted to prepare for it correctly, they could've. There's a lot of other states who have done it. There's collegiate programs who've done it. If they really wanted to make this happen, we would say, okay,


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[Assistant] Let's look at what these six or seven other states are doing, but to me,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I don't know, I just know that just going through the NCAA deal, and uh, there's a...


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[Assistant] Like, there's a difference between training and working out. Training, you're getting prepared for something, knowing who you're going to play, knowing when you're going to play.


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[Assistant] Understanding the timing before a season, before something is about to happen. And your mentality is different, like the training mentality.


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[Assistant] In regards to accomplices, it's quite different than, let me go out here and throw some footballs around.


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[Assistant] Am I preparing? Am I not preparing? I think the NFL is trying to get this over because you don't want all of these large embarrassing headlines, right? Sure. I think this is more for the brand than Deshaun Jackson or, I'm not Deshaun Jackson, Deshaun Watson.


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[Assistant] Or the women. I think that's the bigger thing. Like, let's get this stuff behind us. Let's move on. This is on the back of the Kaepernick stuff. This is the back. You know what I'm saying? Yes. There's just been a large hit.


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[Assistant] And this, the, the front part of that suspension is done. If those civil cases come back guilty, he'll get a question here or there, but the national narrative will be that Cleveland is back, Cleveland is going to the playoffs, he's leading the way.


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[Assistant] I think, I think it's the classy thing to do. If he, he's going to be the leader, you can tell by the contract, right? He's the next coming.


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[Assistant] And it all depends on what Baker wants to do. Like, I think to me Baker should realize that the end is near for him in Cleveland. As a show of class, I would have went and said, hey, I'm here to support the guys. But his ego, when you got, when you got young and you like, I tell you like this, I started coming to Cleveland probably about a year ago.


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[Assistant] And I didn't realize how he had permeated the area and everybody was rooting for him and he was the guy and I just didn't know that Baker was like the local celebrity. So now for him to come in town and then for all of that for the fanfare for everything to be shifted.


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[Assistant] But it would happen fast, you know, so I can just see how Baker, like, but then he's young, like this is a chance to mature knowing you will land somewhere else. And I always think like this, whatever you're going through in the current moment is preparing you for the next moment. And it's usually the stuff that make you squirm is the stuff that develops you and makes you grow. I think like,


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[Assistant] Doing that, somebody else may say, you know what, we want to bring Baker into the camp. And he gets out of the like, I want to dance and be cool phase and I want to be the cool kid. You need to mature and say, hey, I just need to be a good quarterback. I was about to cuss, I cuss a lot.


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[Assistant] He's not going to be the fun guy who won the Heisman coming out dancing, corralling and rallying. You're going to have to show up and be like the buttoned up professional leader of the guys. Let's go out here and win games.


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[Assistant] Yeah, just, just, I look back at my life, just things that I did from being immature.


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[Assistant] And it feels good in the moment when you're being immature because you feel empowered, but like long-term it does nothing for you. It doesn't develop you. It doesn't make people, it doesn't make people want to get close to you. That's the point.


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[Assistant] So as good perspective, you all said that his opinion of who he is here and who he is outside of this bubble differs. And in Columbus he doesn't have a lot of friends.


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[Assistant] No, I just, oh, so I'll say this, uh, I like him and I've been on Kareem since college. Sure.


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[Assistant] If there was a player, uh, I used to like Trent Richardson, and I liked Nick Chubb, and I thought Nick ran more like I used to run.


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[Assistant] And he's just a tough brawler, baller.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I seen him when I was at a restaurant here. Obviously, he didn't know who I was. He walked by and I said, man, they gotta tackle this joker.


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[Assistant] The one thing I said about when they brought Kareem over, at least it gives them some relief. Sure, it does. You know, in some capacity.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, no sir, I got closer to basketball and I was telling you I go up to UConn a lot.


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[Assistant] And what I was about to say was that it's surprising that these guys can pick anybody.


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[Assistant] Because all these kids are 6-7, between 6-7 and 6-11, they all can jump, they all can shoot, and this is just playing back and forth.


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[Assistant] And I remember I was up in Yukon and I said, man, they got four starters on their bench. And so I don't know as a scout, how do you choose to that? Like in football, it's easy to kind of see the separation of guys, but if you walk into a gym, I can give you three, four guys in Yukon. If they had the ability or had the chance or had the system, they can.


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[Assistant] Go be a superstar somewhere, but basketball you only have one basketball.


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[Assistant] So I think that played a major role in it. And he probably felt like you need a guy like me or you needed other pieces. And so he probably didn't think he was the guy, but he probably thought like he had as much as a presence.


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[Assistant] Sure. Uh, but like, once again, I'll talk about self-awareness. Like, self-awareness helps you mature, then it's only through growth that you start to realize what role you played in it. And I think that's what happened with him.


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[Assistant] High school football in regards to, uh, in regards to high school football, it was fun. Uh, we had a, uh,


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[Assistant] Great coach, uh, my last two years, first coach was, uh, Gary Barber in the last few years was, uh, Tommy Daniels.


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[Assistant] I have learned a ton. Uh, just about to get my last few years, the last 24 months and.


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[Assistant] Um, you know, position coaches, Matt Richardson, Dan Reardon, uh, just, just the preparation, the traveling to different camps, the guys I play with, practices being very competitive.


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[Assistant] Uh, to St. Ignatius, the round right before, um, uh, my senior, I mean, right before I went to college and I kind of spoiled it. I thought we were going to win the championship. Uh, but we lost to St. Ignatius, but uh, overall high school was a, was a phenomenal time and just like every other kid, you're just happy to go through the high school experience and then eventually go off to college.


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[Assistant] Yeah, no, so actually I wasn't. I wasn't even recruited by Ohio State. Uh, so Ohio State has signed three running backs, uh, the year prior to me coming. Uh, Ladell Ross, Jaja Riley, and Maurice Hall. And for me, uh, it just wasn't even a possibility of going.


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[Assistant] And so I really wanted to go to Notre Dame and Urban Meyer was the offensive coordinator or an offensive assistant at Notre Dame. And what ended up happening was that Urban Meyer and Bob Davey got fired. So I was already set and slotted ready to go to Notre Dame.


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[Assistant] And there was a guy by the name of Rex Hogan who was like the, uh, uh, player personnel guy.


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[Assistant] And what happened was, I was like, hey man, uh, I had such a good year, my junior year, that I actually wanted to leave high school early. This is where the whole graduating early thing came from. So I wanted to, turn this out, take some out of here. It was bothering me.


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[Assistant] What actually happened was this, uh, I was slotted and ready to go to, uh, Notre Dame, um, Rex Hogan had helped me to graduate early. So I wanted to be done after my junior year because I was like, there's nothing else for me to accomplish. I came back in like five games, had like 1200 yards.


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[Assistant] And so I didn't have an English credit. So Rex Hogan, he's with the Jets now. He's the one who said, hey, you have to get your English credit in order for you to graduate.


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[Assistant] So then at this point when they got fired, Irvin went to Bowling Green.


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[Assistant] And so I said, hey, I'm not going to Bowling Green. I don't know where to go. And Trussell was down on Ohio State. So Trussell had came in in the spring and I was like, hey,


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[Assistant] Uh, I'm going to come to Ohio State. And he kind of just blew it off. But this was going into my senior year. Uh, and so then after like the first, uh, handful of games, I had a bunch of success my senior year. And they called me back up and was like, yo, you're serious. I was like, yeaah. You know.


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[Assistant] No, to, to, to his point, uh, Tom McDangas of Matt Richardson really changed my life.


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[Assistant] And you talk about the impact of coaches and so Tom, my junior year, set me down.


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[Assistant] And so I remember he made me read a book. It was a book that Joe Paternoi wrote. Uh, but I think the main point was about preparation and how you prepare for a season. So he would sit me down and he would break down quarterback films and he has a running back.


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[Assistant] And he started teaching me concepts and alignment with defense and tendencies and understanding why do we check in and out of plays and why are the first 15 plays scripted. And as a high schooler I was learning this, right? And so then Matt Richardson, uh, he had basically played for Trussell. He was the one who taught me how to practice.


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[Assistant] This is how you practice. This is the pace of practice. This is the reason you're out here first. This is the reason that you're first at the average drill. This is the reason why when you break through the line, you run for 60, 70 yards. Were you open to that education? Yeaah. So uhm, I was just understanding that it gave me confidence. So like when you're younger, you know how to build confidence.


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[Assistant] Like you just, you know, you listen to music and guys get hype and they think that's confidence. That's not like where confidence comes from, right? Right. Confidence comes from a ton of preparation, right? And what ended up happening was,


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[Assistant] And so Tom and Coach Richardson really, instead of like, just like, hey man, here's a play on the board, they gave Ryman reasoning.


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[Assistant] This is why you deadlift. This is why you squat. You hang clean to break tackles. You stiff arm to keep people off your body. You, uh, use your arms to keep the blunder to work off your shoulder. When you're lining up, these are the people that you see. This is what cover three is for. This is what cover two. This is the corner support. So you start to see stuff.


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[Assistant] That you don't have kids my age preparing like this, right? So then when I call Coach Trussell, all of those experiences are, when I say, hey, I'm coming to your school, I'm saying that I can look on TV and see that your guys aren't prepared.


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[Assistant] You know where I'm coming from, so I can just see, like, you know, like, if, if, you've been doing journalism forever, if I sat here,


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[Assistant] Just through watching me, you'll say, okay, you don't have this. You don't have that. You can just kind of read it. So I can see somebody run on TV and just say, okay.


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[Assistant] I can tell what you have been taught and what you haven't been taught. I can tell if you went on Instagram and see guys doing drills, ah that's cool, but you don't understand the game. Like that's not, that's not how you break down the running record.


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[Assistant] You become, I was interested in learning. You know, like whatever you want to be good at, if you become interested in learning it, you're going to absorb it. So I was absorbing all of those teachings and that's kind of what got me to a different level. That was the reason I said I want to graduate early because the way they had prepared me.


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[Assistant] And then I was serious about the weight room and like, you know, you just don't get up and squat a bunch of pounds. They're just a bunch of things that you go through and get to that level. So I was serious. I was focused. Uh, and I wanted to get ahead. I wanted to go to college today. Eventually. Eventually what happened was that we played Ignatius.


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[Assistant] Uh, we lost, I went down to the All-American game down in Texas, and then what ended up happening was I came to Ohio State that uh, January, and that's how I landed at Ohio State.


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[Assistant] It was actually like, it felt like I was moving backwards, uh, because I had moved out of my mother's house at 16. So I was living on my own 17, 18. So going to college and going into a dorm, that was a lot for me because of...


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[Assistant] Like having to be like a kid again, if that's like, more rules, just, just the dorm life. That wasn't good for me, right? Uh, but like socially, I like, I just didn't talk to a lot of people. Like I was like one of those personalities or I still am that if I'm focused on something, I want to do something. I'm just interested in my work. Like I don't have.


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[Assistant] I'm not real good socially. You know what I'm saying? Not like I'm socially awkward. I'm just not interested in things I'm not interested in. That's right. So the partying, the hanging, like I'm just, man, I want to play football. I want to lift weights and I want to try to achieve something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, so it's different. Nothing, it came from a concept. So just think about, you have to put context around everything. And the biggest thing I can name is that how much, uh, culture influenced what I thought I should be doing, right? So, uh, I never knew that I would have that success that early. Like, I was confident that I would have some success.


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[Assistant] Like after the first game, I did like 175 yards and four touchdowns, right? Three touchdowns. So after the game, uh, and I used to be like a hermit. Like I would just basically be like focused on,


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[Assistant] After the first game, like, uh, I remember we went through, uh, uh, you do your post-game interviews and then you come back and then people sit down and talk to you and then you leave from there, you go out the gate and it's all these kids waiting for autographs and stuff. So this is what I believe changed my life in Columbus. After, after that game, I had a bunch of people from my hometown


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[Assistant] Come to the game. And they was like, yo, what are you doing after the game? And so I'm thinking to myself like, going home, but they was like, man, let's go out to the nightclub.


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[Assistant] So then once I went to the nightclub, then once I pull up to the club and then you tell the bouncer, oh, this is Maurice Claret we're with.


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[Assistant] Then you go through the back door and you come and it's champagne on his beer and everybody. You can see how people look at you. I went from Joe below.


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[Assistant] Person playing football to, I can see when you look at me and think I'm a celebrity, right?


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[Assistant] And so then now, uh, I'm not like the ugly guy, but I'm not like the most handsome in the world, right?


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[Assistant] I was doing what I thought you were supposed to do when you're successful. I'm thinking like you're supposed to have sex with a bunch of women.


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[Assistant] You're supposed to be that guy. You're supposed to be as important, right? I'll tell you, like, it's, uh,


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[Assistant] There's just a place that you go to mentally to think you own the place. You know what I mean? Uh, when you break tackles and people cheer for you think you own the place. Back in the day you was going to...


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[Assistant] All I have to do is perform on the field, so you sort of lose the humility of somebody teaching you.


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[Assistant] Uhm, Lebron and Cleveland, I can just name that, right? So comes a point where I do so much on the court that the owner, the owner can't keep me off the court and the fans want me to fans make the team. You know what I'm saying? Sure.


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[Assistant] I did so much on the field as an 18 year old kid that I knew that you can't keep me on the sideline. So you're holding the business against the coach.


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[Assistant] So where you can't do anything, where you can't influence me, and as long as I keep performing, you will put up with all this other stuff that I have going on, and when you're a kid, you just don't think that you're going to, like you don't think the train's gonna stop. You know what I'm saying? Right. I'll keep on playing, they'll keep on putting up with this, and it wasn't like I was doing anything


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[Assistant] No, no, because uhm, I've always been respectful to my teammates and when I go out, I was going out with younger guys who came up to end up being stars and I was inclusive with them and then for a lot of guys, you know, Ohio State wasn't like this illustrious program like it is now.


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[Assistant] This was seven and five, eight and eight, you know, like outback bowl, like blockbuster bowl, stuff like that. And I'm just being honest with you, you know, and I like, like so part, you'll see me throw a couple of jabs because I never let them forget. Sometimes they're trying to like, I don't forget. Like y'all were just mediocre at one point, you know what I mean? And then we came back and we, we, we reestablished a brand. So.


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[Assistant] The guys who had won, they appreciated that we were winning.


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[Assistant] You know, and the guys who were like, hey, this is my last hurrah. This guy helps us to do it. So with my teammates, they love me because I worked hard and I was fearless, right? And so when you fearless, like you get the spirit that you can arouse and other people like man. Okay, we can go do this. You know, like I give you a prime example. We was getting ready to play.


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[Assistant] There was other guys who, you'll be younger and guys won't say you influence them that way, but you can see the impact you have on people where you like, yo, we ready to go and we're in the game. And so guys knew that they can count on me. So I didn't have like this, this internal jealousy of like if anybody who comes from that team.


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[Assistant] They'll never say anything bad about me, uh, like why I was a teammate because I just, you know, I was the first to show up. I was the last to leave. I was always in the weight room. I broke all the records. Uh, I was pushing the sleds. I'm conditioning. I practiced real hard. So from an athlete standpoint, uh, from a physical standpoint, I handled my business and I was good to the guys around me.


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[Assistant] I think that starts in like, just falling in love with anything. So I think you're talking about two different things. Like being hyper-focused and addictive to...


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[Assistant] Completing the task of becoming the best football player, I think that started connecting with McDaniels and my high school coaches. The partner I think you're referring to is that, uh, if you fast forward the tape, when I get kicked out of school,


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[Assistant] So when I get kicked out of school and the partying used to be this mechanism of getting girls and hanging out and being one of the guys that shifted from this is my safe haven because I don't want to deal with all of what's going on.


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[Assistant] We just had like a great set and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's go out and party. That's a different mentality going to celebrate hangout and do that rather than man. I'm having a hard day. I don't want to deal with my issues and it's easy for me to smoke. It's easy for me to drink or it's easy for me to pop a pill and I don't have to do it, right?


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[Assistant] But the person, not like, so that's the reason behind that, but the personality is that.


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[Assistant] Whatever I do, be it good or bad, I do it to the fullest, right? In excess sometimes. But with everything, you know what I'm saying?


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[Assistant] Yeah, so you would have to, you would have to end the Ohio State year. So, Ohio State was ending.


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[Assistant] Yes, Ohio State hadn't been to the championship since 68 and so Ohio State didn't want to be linked with the drug deal going bad and our star players going to.


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[Assistant] This is part of my life, like when y'all came and recruited me, like where do you think you came?


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[Assistant] This is part of the people who I have around me, uh, at this moment in my life, right? So, you fast forward through there, uhm, and


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[Assistant] We had an interview, uh, after this happened. So this happened on a Tuesday or Wednesday.


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[Assistant] They told me I couldn't go, they told me I could go to the funeral. I didn't go to the funeral and this is media day. So just put all this to context. And they said Maurice, like why don't, why aren't you happy to be here? And I just was like, man, like they don't care about me. Like I want to go to a friend's funeral. The athletic director lied to me. The compliance director lied to me. I didn't understand that I was, that that was offensive.


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[Assistant] You have to figure, we're talking about culture and context. I come from the hood. If a grown man is a liar, he's a liar. You can just call somebody whatever they are and you don't have parameters or punishments or you don't understand hierarchy. It's just...


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[Assistant] Like you told me something was going to happen. It didn't happen. You lied to me. I didn't understand all that. And so he had a hard on for me. So we go through the spring.


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[Assistant] I'm using a car the car gets broken into. I'm using a car because my transmission went bad in my car. I go get a car from a dealership that got


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[Assistant] The guy at the dealership had bought a car from the auction. It was a two-door Monte Carlo. I go drive, I skip class, drive to work out. I'm working out. The secretary comes and says, who's driving the Monte Carlo outside? I lied to her and say, I don't know. Well, she says, whoever it is, is broken into.


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[Assistant] At this point, I said, oh wow. I didn't say that, but I said, oh wow. I went out to the car. The car is broken into. At this time, you have these real book. Remember those CD cases? Oh yeah. Like three, 400 CDs.


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[Assistant] This wasn't my stuff. This was stuff that was in the car that they had repossessed from somebody. That somebody stole the speakers out the trunk and they stole all the items out the car. This wasn't my car. This was a car used from the dealership.


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[Assistant] So I call Coach Trussell. Coach Trussell says file a police report. When they come to me and I file a police report, I'm just explaining what was in the car to the officer, right? All this stuff takes in context. So fast forward right before the season, they say you have an NCAA investigation. I'm thinking to myself like big deal, like no big problem.


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[Assistant] So when I come to the investigation, oh, let me, let me fast, let me rewind a little bit. Prior to, after winning the championship,


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[Assistant] I was with Jim Brown, Don King, LeBron, uh, Dominic, uh, the gym is Dominic Marciano, I always mess her name up, uh, and we had a Cleveland Sports Award banquet. Sure. Jim Brown says, hey, if anything ever happens that you get into that you can't figure out, call me.


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[Assistant] I remember that from the, from the winter whenever they do the sports award. So I go to this, uh, I go to the, uh,


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[Assistant] I go to the beginning of the NCAA investigation, and they're asking me all these questions, and obviously I'm just lying just to get through it. And I'm thinking like, aw man, they'll give me like a game or two, like I'll be good.


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[Assistant] And so I didn't realize whatever they were asking me from eight to 12, they were going to investigate from like 1230 to like eight and then they came back the next day and asked me and they came back the next day and asked me and that's how the whole thing happened.


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[Assistant] And so it got to a point they were getting frustrated because I just kept lying to them, right? And so I was like, alright, at some point the school's gonna step in and protect me. So in the process I said, man, you know what? This thing doesn't seem favorable to me. Let me call Jim Brown and let me call lawyers in, like, to kind of help me out because, like, my school isn't protecting me. My school's kind of like feeding me.


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[Assistant] So the university was already being investigated from an infraction from Jim O'Brien.


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[Assistant] So Jim O'Brien and Andy Geiger were real good friends, and he knew that a punishment was coming.


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[Assistant] So Jim O'Brien gave $7,500 for a kid to move from Serbia over here.


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[Assistant] He knew that they were basically going to get investigated. You can look all this stuff up. Look at the timeline. Investigate. I don't care what you do. You can't disprove me on this.


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[Assistant] Jim O'Brien, your friend, you told him to go retire. We'll feed Maurice Claret, who basically told us we were liars. So at this point, you made 88 million in four months. You have the brand back. You have 17 starters. This is my way to give this back to you.


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[Assistant] Right? And so I just knew it. That's why when the whole Jim Brown thing came in and Scott Schiff came in, it was like, I thought you're already going to help him. Here's another thing, right? So the NCAA, so do you all know how this works?


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[Assistant] You have to suggest, you have to suggest a penalty to them.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so the NCAA doesn't, they don't give you a penalty. They say hey, you do a self-assessment.


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[Assistant] So the NCAA was like, yo, we were cool with three games. The school suspended me indefinitely. So that's where I'm coming from.


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[Assistant] So you spin this up, so then they say, okay, we're not letting you back at the school, we're not letting you take the classes you take, you have to get a 3.0 GPA, you can't use any of our resources, you can't use any of our tutors, we cut your scholarship check, and hold.


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[Assistant] We'll see you in January. Oh, and you have to do psychological evaluations because you lied to the NCAA. And oh, by the way, that car that you said was broken into of those items I take, you have to say you falsified the police report. I say I didn't lie. Well, if you want to have a chance to come back, you're going to say it. So the whole thing was to dehumanize you.


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[Assistant] The short of it is, like, initially, I was like, okay, I'll get ready to go. So you're naturally thinking, like, I'll be getting ready and prepare for a workout, right? And so the way Jimmy Sexton, he was the attorney at that time, and Jim Brown was talking, they were like, these are labor laws. You'll be allowed to go out here and work out and perform and try out for teams the whole night.


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[Assistant] So after they overturned it, I was watching like a volleyball game with Penn State or whoever. When they overturned it, I was like, yo, it's over.


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[Assistant] Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. I'm not about to go to Canada for two years. And I'm not about to go to, at this time it was like, uhm,


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[Assistant] It was Euro, but it was, it was some other league, but basically I wasn't about to go play in a secondary league and potentially get hurt when I think, when I'm thinking like, yo.


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[Assistant] Yes, but I didn't realize that football structured my life up until this point, right? And now that's gone. So football's gone. There's no interest in school. Now I go right back to the streets. But when I'm going to these nightclubs and these girls are talking about celebrating and having a good time to work from there to like, man, I'm here because I have nothing to do.


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[Assistant] Like, so instead of waking up at 6 in the morning, I'm waking up at 10, 30, 11.


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[Assistant] And you don't even understand what depression looks like.


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[Assistant] People talk about mental health now like it's a normal thing, but this is 2003. You don't like...


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[Assistant] But you just like, active depression people, like that's a real thing amongst adults. And then, I think when you're an athlete, you're taught to be like so strong and tough through everything.


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[Assistant] That you like, nah I'm cool, nah I'm alright, but no, you're really sad, you're really lonely, you really want to be around your teammates, you really need something to do, you really need some structure, you really need guidance, but, you know, then when you walk out your door,


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[Assistant] You're expected to be the superstar who has it all together, so it was like this conflicted space, right? So now I'm alone all the time, now I'm back into the streets, now I'm hustling, now I'm just, I'm living like I'm on the south side of Youngstown again, right? Right. So now I'm drinking, I'm drugging, I'm smoking, I'm partying.


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[Assistant] So, probably two or three times I almost lost my life hustling, right? So at this point I get on the plane and I go to California.


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[Assistant] When I'm in California, it was literally just to get away from Ohio. I had no rhyme or reason for being out here. It was to get away from Ohio, and initially it was to hook up with Jim Brown, right? So I called Jim up, like yo, I'm going through some crazy stuff in Ohio, I gotta get away from it, like let me get to California, let me land here and do my thing.


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[Assistant] So when I get to California, even though I was trying to escape where I was at,


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[Assistant] No, I'm gonna tell you, timing, I get to LA, I go to Sunset, I'm on Hollywood and Vine at the Renaissance. And so for a week, like Jim was like in Carolina or wherever he was at, and he was gone, and like I had a chance to like experience LA.


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[Assistant] After me, I call it what it is, after the suspension, it was over.


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[Assistant] They were done. They had no interest in helping. They were done. I tell them to their face right now. It hurt for them to say it, but nothing. There wasn't no agent who was there. There wasn't a Jim Brown who was there. Well, aside from Jim Brown, after I went to LA, he tried to help. Let me correct that, but.


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[Assistant] And so what ended up happening was we went to a party at, uh, in Marina Del Way at a beach and we were at a beach house. So what ended up happening was, uh, we stayed in the whole day and we partied and having a good time. And like, um, like we partied during the day and then they was like, yo, let's go out to Hollywood at night. So we go off to Hollywood and we had to take one. It was like, yo, let's see if you can.


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[Assistant] Uh, and the girls who I was with, I ended up basically connecting with the guy who owned the house. And so we're sitting there, uh, at the end of the night. He's just like, yo, like, I don't think, like, he doesn't even understand football. He's like, yo, like, what are you doing out here? Like, what's going on?


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[Assistant] And so we just start talking. I didn't realize he was under federal investigation at this time, right? So we just, you know, we sit and hang and talk in and uh, just doing well.


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[Assistant] But it was just two men at the end of the night who just were hanging out. And so I said, I'm in LA. I used to play football and I'm giving him like this vague story, but you could tell he doesn't even have a fraction.


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[Assistant] Couldn't care less about anything that goes on outside of LA County. You know what I'm saying? Yeaah, that's it. Yeaah, so uhm, it's hard for people, it's hard to explain it to people if you've never just...


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[Assistant] You go to the garage, it's two Rolls Royces, it's two Bentleys.


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[Assistant] There's a house in Beverly Hills. There's a house at the beach. There's a house in the valley. A lot of money. These are, you know, this is a traditional Jewish family. There's Shabbat every Friday. It's like a different circle, bro. It's like a, it's like a completely different circle. Uh, he's up under investigation for organized crime and the Rico act that he's going to court for.


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[Assistant] But there was none of that going on. It's just us hanging. And I can see how it comes. Like, he was under a federal investigation, so nobody wanted to be around him.


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[Assistant] I'm suspended from school, nobody wants to be around me, but we found each other in some weird way. Sure. And so we're just rolling with each other every day, and there's, there's like, there's a lot of wisdom in all this stuff, right? And you can be a guy, in LA, just for context, in LA,


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[Assistant] You're hanging out all day, like you can go train in the morning, but you're hanging out at Sunset Plaza or Malibu or whatever for the rest of the day. You're smoking, drinking, it's the culture out there. It's not like, it's not looking down upon life. If somebody get high in LA at eight in the morning, like who cares? Like this is just what people do, right? So the next thing you know,


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[Assistant] As we're going through this and time passes, I'm like, oh, I gotta get ready for the combine.


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[Assistant] Let me go run some sand dunes. Let me go over here, uh, the Dorsey High out in, uh, uh, Crenshaw or wherever it was, I think in Compton. I don't know where Dorsey was, right? But I used to drive to Dorsey workout with Coach C and TJ Huchmanzada and Ricky Manning and all these guys. I would train, but at the end of the night, I just wasn't motivated, right? And there's, there's something to be said about,


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[Assistant] When you're driving a Rolls Royce already before you earned it, you lose the luster to want to go get it. When you live inside of a million dollar house, uh, before you actually earn it, actually you lose something to go and get it. You know what I'm saying? When you're having sex with beautiful women.


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[Assistant] But it's hard to explain this at 22, 23, so when they say go work at the combine, I'm like, man, this is like work.


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[Assistant] You feel what I'm coming from? Right. I whip my main man every day in


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[Assistant] It's, it's, we're, I'm living this, I'm living his lifestyle, but at 22, 23 you think it's your lifestyle because you're doing everything. Like the guys who hang around as superstars actually have more fun than the superstars.


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[Assistant] And, but they don't have to, they, they're, they're, it's like, they live a fake lifestyle. You support it. I'm just around you. I get to live it, right? Yeah. And so all this stuff was happening. So then it's time for me to go work out and I'm like, I'll just show up and make it happen. And obviously I didn't make it happen. So I run slow. I'm dropping the ball everywhere. I'm fumbling over my feet. I'm like, man.


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[Assistant] I'm talking about, there's no, there's no, man, let me go back here, let me lift every weight, let me watch every fail, let me squat, let me lunge, let me hang clean, let me get prepared, let me, let me fight him all day and practice. Like there's even a refinement of practicing hard that you need to do before you get to the NFL. You know what I'm saying? And so all that stuff was basically kind of gone.


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[Assistant] And so the two years went by, uh, I was living like this. It was time to basically go play football.


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[Assistant] And I just wasn't prepared. So to make a long story short, I didn't think I was going to get drafted based on my performance prior to the draft. Uh, at the combine interviewing and just like, just like, even I was in a bad place because I was like,


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[Assistant] I don't want to get drafted in the third round. Like if I actually played, I would be a top five pick. Like I knew myself and just knew the work I put in and where I wanted to be in comparison to where I got drafted and maybe that was like an immature way of doing it.


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[Assistant] So the whole time in LA, it wasn't like, so just to clear, just to clarify in LA, I was just having a good time. Like I wasn't like, oh, I'm so depressed. My life is messed up. It was like my buddy say what you do today. Let's get out of traffic. Let's go to Hollywood. Let's go party all night.


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[Assistant] No, like Denver drafted me and they thought like,


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[Assistant] It took me a third round, like, what Denver expected are...


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[Assistant] What I think the expectations was, let's draft him. We, we're not wanting him to play week one, year one, but we have something we can build upon, right? And so I think what, what they didn't really understand was that my mentality had been different, right? So when I'm in LA,


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[Assistant] What I'm calling myself is like just a gangster from Youngstown living life.


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[Assistant] That's how I'm identifying myself. I'm just a dude who from the street football didn't work out. And so I'm just out here with my guy. He's like, he's really, you know, he was getting investigated for running the Israeli crime arm, right? So I'm with him. So I'm identified, but you know, this is my life.


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[Assistant] It's either you want to be a super celebrity in sports or who's ever a gangster, you want to emulate that.


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[Assistant] And so at 22, 23, this is what I want to emulate. This is what I think is fascinating. You watch The Goodfellas, you watch The Bronx Tales, you watch gangster movies, you watch Scarface.


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[Assistant] You know, I can understand what he's being investigated for. I can understand what he's being charged with.


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[Assistant] And to me this is fascinating and euphoric, but I'm not looking at myself as Maurice Claret.


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[Assistant] No, not, like if had I been prepared and refined over that time, maybe that's different, but when it's time to, when it's time to come to Denver, they just get in a different person, right? And so to Denver's credit, and I can like, so a lot of times it's just like, you talk about like the Denver thing, this wasn't fleshed out. Denver seen that I was,


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[Assistant] But I looked at them and was like, man, like, I'm a gangster playing football. Like, as crazy as it sounds, I can see it on kids' faces when I look at them. Like, you can see their gestures and before the game, how they look at each other. And I've been in different spaces mentally, so I understand how it looks. You know, so I can understand when somebody thinks who they are, I can look them in their face.


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[Assistant] And, uh, I just understand what type of time they own. So what ended up happening was, uh, Denver was like, yo, like, can you sit down with a psychologist like you've been through a lot?


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[Assistant] So what she was telling me was like, you've been through some traumatic situations prior to coming here.


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[Assistant] Let somebody help you to unravel this, but again, I'm a young dude from the hood. I'm not about to sit down and talk about my problems. What is this going to help? They're like, I don't understand rhyme or reason. And so like that would happen. And so throughout the entire process, they would just try to coach Tucker. He's, he's coaching with the 49ers of steel, uh, with Shanahan's younger son. So coach Tucker and, uh,


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[Assistant] Jerry Rice and John Lynch and, you know, John Lynch would come to practice before practice and do a whole routine. It was like, yo, follow him. And Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator. So I would start to get some stuff right on practice squad and you can kind of see it. But then I'd be like, man, and I don't, I'm not sure people don't understand how this works in the NFL.


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[Assistant] In the NFL, it's not like you get a bunch of reps at practice. So in the NFL, you might go to practice and not get in for the whole practice. You know what I'm saying? So I was like, man, I'm coming to practice. I'm not practicing. I may be on special teams. Like, so just, just like, just, just a whole experience where I was at mentally. I just was like, yo, this is just not where I'm supposed to be.


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[Assistant] I hated it because I knew if I was, like, it's kind of like living in the passing of mind.


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[Assistant] Like I would be a top 5 pick. Like I can look at these dudes, there's no offense to them.


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[Assistant] I can tell that I'm like, man, I'm better than these guys. But you have to put it all together. No matter what you doing here, you still have to put it together to prove it. You know what I'm saying? So then, you just have a bunch of stuff. And I believe like universal,


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[Assistant] There's like universal laws that govern the world. This is what I believe, right?


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[Assistant] You didn't, you didn't prepare in a way that you were supposed to, to steward this opportunity, so it's not gonna work out. No matter how bad you want it to work out, somebody else prepared for this. You're here, like, short term, you know what I'm saying? And this, this seat is for somebody else now. If you get in alignment with what's going on, like, you can stay, but this isn't for you, so,


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[Assistant] Shanahan tried to sit me down. I was like, yo, let's help with you. Ted Sunquist, he was the general manager at the time and they just couldn't get through to me. And so I thought I was depressed before I got there.


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[Assistant] Leave him there was a bigger depression because I heard on the front side, like why would they draft him? He's going to fail. Uh, like all this stuff. You hear it, but then you get into the situation where you're actually


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[Assistant] You're fulfilling the prophecy of other people where you actually fail and do all the stuff where you fail.


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[Assistant] And it was like, forget this Rolls Royce, forget this house, forget this environment, forget these parties, forget these women. I remember I was on, I was on...


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[Assistant] Uh, Hollywood Boulevard and it had a party and it was just like, I can still remember to this day, I was in the far left corner. Uh, and I remember it was Kelly Roll and Keisha Cole, Brandi and they had a bunch of people who came and had a party. And I remember being at the party and I remember smoking.


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[Assistant] And I knew I should have been high, the way I was smoking. And I said, man, I'm not even high.


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[Assistant] This ain't where I'm supposed to be in life. So I remember going back to, I was living at the, uhm,


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[Assistant] At the Renaissance, right by the Beverly Center. So I was living at the Renaissance. Not the Renaissance, the Palazzo.


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[Assistant] I was living at the Palazzo, I got up the next day, I called Coach Treso, I said, yo bro, I gotta come back to Ohio, like this ain't working out. You know what I'm saying? Came back to Ohio, met with him, and he kinda gave me some direction and structure, was like, yo,


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[Assistant] I guess they used to have a training camp in Orlando in December. He said, man, get prepared for that. Go back to class. Like get your life going back on the right road. And so he had like all the good information, but


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[Assistant] I'm not going back to school. I don't have the money for that. Uh, I'm not getting ready to, uh, go get a job because I'm embarrassed. I should be like Maurice Claret the guy. Right. Like, you know, I can't be seen bagging groceries or whatever. No offense to people who bag groceries.


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[Assistant] Ego. You know, y'all get it. I'm trying to give like context. Like sometimes you can say like a T if somebody think it's disrespectful, but it's like respectfully. I just, I looked at, go ahead.


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[Assistant] Well, I got out of prison at that time. Like that's a little bit further down the road, but I got out of prison around that time and I wasn't as, uhm.


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[Assistant] In tune to the audio fractions. At that time my mind was just in a different place.


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[Assistant] No, so, so essentially I was going out, I mean, I've said it before, but I was going out there to rob somebody else. And the alley was so dark, it was, it was like, it was a dark alley, it was at the end of the alley. I go to the end of the alley. In Columbus. In Columbus. I go to the end of the alley, I realize it's not them.


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[Assistant] So that's, that's how the whole thing happened. So, so I took like that. I mean, that's, that's literally how the whole thing happens. I did. She said, that's my sister. And then in the panic, I got in the car and I rolled off.


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[Assistant] So, but, but now I'm in a deeper place. Right now I'm in like a deeper, like I'm about to go to prison for robbery. I don't have anything going on. Maybe around like February, uh, February, Marches and found out, uh, my lady, she pregnant. She's about to have a baby. So just all of like regular life stuff, failure, uh,


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[Assistant] Excuse me, drinking, drugging. I'm just hustling. I'm just doing like I'm basically I'm in the hood doing what you do when you're in the hood when you don't have anything going on other than what year is it?


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[Assistant] This is 2005? 2006? 2006. Yeah, 2006. And so you fast forward, and in my mind I'm like, yo, uh, I was trying to, I don't want to say, I was trying to bribe the guy to say, hey, don't go to court on me, I'll pay you for not


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[Assistant] So what happened was, he walked up to the car, he came to the car, he, uh, he got to the door, I pulled off, and so then I get over the bridge and then I get on the road.


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[Assistant] And what ended up happening was I made a U-turn, uh, going towards Patasko and then, you know, the police had a spike strips. He threw the spike strips out, uh, busted the tires and then, you know, in the process of the tires getting busted and.


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[Assistant] All of that going everywhere. Police pulled me out of the car and, you know, roughed me up. And what you've seen on TV is, uhm,


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[Assistant] Actually me getting thrown in the back of the paddy wagon. That's, that was the film date that had. So that's, that's literally how that point had happened.


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[Assistant] Uh, was the jail part, and this was probably the part that saved my life.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so when I go to jail, they, they don't allow me to have a bond, uh, which I think ultimately helped me. And, uh, the first part of jail they mandate that I get a mental health evaluation.


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[Assistant] And so through the mental health evaluation, this was August, September 2006, uh, came in, talked to a psychiatrist and eventually got put on, uh, medication in 2006. And it was the first time that I was like, yo, this stuff really helped me because it helped me to stabilize my mood, right? So I went from like,


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[Assistant] So, that's what actually happened, you know.


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[Assistant] Uh, the jail part, probably 30 days, uh, I would say, so the first part was like 30 days. Right.


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[Assistant] That, that 23 hour lockdown, so the first 7 months I was on the 23 hour lockdown.


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[Assistant] And that's really the foundation of everything. And so just you, you're questioning yourself. You ask yourself, how did I land in this position? Uh, you're getting letters from people.


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[Assistant] And so I was like, that was the first time that I looked at Ohio State different. I was like, man, people look at this different than I did. Like I was looking at Ohio State like a stepping stone. These people were like, uh, my father was alive when we watched the game. That was our last significant moment. Like this, you're, you're part of like a family memory.


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[Assistant] Just, like, it gave different context around, like, football. Like, this was bigger than just me getting my family out the hood. Like, there's a lot of kids who just say, what university will help me get rich? That's the thing. What university will get me to my end destination?


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[Assistant] The people who went from a university standpoint to get schooled and to have history and tradition and the reason that generations of families go, that is completely different, right? So I'm getting letters from those people talking about what I mean to them.


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[Assistant] This is also the first time that I pick up a book. I picked up As A Man Thinking. It actually got handed to me.


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[Assistant] By James Allen. This is the first time I try to press this everywhere I go.


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[Assistant] This is the first time a book actually told me that you are, like basically, you are what you think about. So as a man thinketh, so shall he become, until thought is linked with purpose, nothing intelligent shall ever happen. And it's a small 70 page read, but what the book did was that,


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[Assistant] It makes you have ownership over thought and what you create. Like you create your life by creating your thoughts. And that was like the most impactful thing. So I ended up going to prison. I got sentenced to seven and a half years.


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[Assistant] And another thing that came into my life, there was a gentleman by the name of Mr. Kelly Conte. And Mr. Conte was a warden, and he was from Sierra Leone.


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[Assistant] Uh, but, uh, he said, Maurice, my father used to be the chief of the village.


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[Assistant] We would bring guys closer to us, figure out what's going on and send them back out. He said, America, you all throw people away.


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[Assistant] So when you're locked down, it's either you're going to the education wing, you're in your housing unit, or you're going to recreation. So,


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[Assistant] The first part of my day I used to go to the education wing and I'm taking, uh, thinking for a change, responsible adult culture, cager age, drug and alcohol abuse, uh, and just a host of other classes that basically make you self-reflect on what happened or how you got to this point.


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[Assistant] And so, it was also, I talk about this book, it was a catalog called Bargain Books. It was the first time that I like, sat down and read. I used to go to the commissary and I would get these legal pads. I would get these yellow legal pads for 69 cents.


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[Assistant] What can I do? I'll get out of prison at like 26 or 27. I won't be able to play football anymore, uh, from what I've done. Like you need to do something else with your life.


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[Assistant] So anything I can get my hands on with business and entrepreneurship and finance or investing, I would just literally sit here, uh, order out the catalog books with like four or five, six bucks. These are used books and they'll mail them to you and I would just start reading and I would just start making book reports and I'll start reading from great people and I'll start reading from


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[Assistant] The men who built America or men who built, uh, big companies, uh, became like religious about reading from Warren Buffett and value invested Benjamin Graham and I would just give my understanding on what was going on.


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[Assistant] They're like, yo, like, this thing isn't affecting him the way it's affecting me. Like, I feel like I'm wasting my time, but he's getting better. Like, or, when I go to record.


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[Assistant] And so now you're hosting the classes, now you're hosting the programs, now you're like encouraging dudes, now...


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[Assistant] These guys wanna get into a confrontation with these guys and guys are like nah bro, like, you know, this ain't, like go home, go home to your family, like arguing over a microwave or arguing over laundry really ain't worth it. And so you start to see that.


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[Assistant] People receive you different. Like, it went from, is he going to be arrogant, uh,


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[Assistant] Oh, he's here just to get himself better. You feel what I'm coming from? So then I get out of prison in 2010. So when I got out of prison in 2010.