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[Assistant] He found out about us before he thought he found- like he had shared one of our songs before.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and basically, and then, so that had happened, and I freaked out, cause I was like, this is crazy, you know what I mean? Yeah, that was a big deal. But it's funny how it went from that to like, like, you know what I mean, he reviews all the right, he, everything, like, we, we make, he'll review or whatever, like, you know what I mean? So it's like,


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[Assistant] But, it was funny because it went from that, and then we dropped the first single for the record before the last, live from the Dennis office, and the first single is called Whatever Dude, I don't know if you've seen it, it's like a Snapchat music video. It's like the video that everyone loves, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] It was pretty cool. Yeah, it was crazy. And we were like the people jockeys, we were like the first ones to do it and like the internet loved it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was the first time how Fantano, like, thought he found out about us. Okay. That was the first single, we had dropped a couple singles. The third single, he did a track review, and he never does track reviews. Or he, at that point, he did, that was when he was doing solo track reviews, he doesn't do that anymore. But he had never really done- Is that everybody who knows?


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[Assistant] It was Everybody Knows. It was, it was when he'd, he never was doing like track reviews for people that were tiny. Like the one before that, it was like Travis Scott 3500, like you know what I mean? And it was like titled like, is this the new rap group to listen to? And then that's when everyone was like, oh okay, intro is there...


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[Assistant] It used to be podcasts. I don't think the podcast is on the internet anymore though for some reason.


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[Assistant] Yeah, people always say that, always, I see people always asking for it. I remember you would say it on Twitter and I was like, damn, if he's about to get to Fantana on us, I was like, we should try to get on here, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] For sure. You gotta at least meet- oh no, you were already meeting him halfway with the mustache and shit. A little, just like, green square of fabric. Oh yeaah, that'd be far- you guys might have to do that.


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[Assistant] No disrespect to the kids, there's nothing to do with the kids, it's like, it's, it's just, it doesn't really breathe, like, I don't know how to explain, everything that was hot out of Phoenix, like, is, is, well, is in this room, like, Jake Osmond, us, foul play, like, you know what I mean? There's, like, oh god, I shouldn't even have shot him out, he's feeling it.


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[Assistant] It's just like, I don't know man, like, and there's some cool indie bands. It's like we came up from an indie house scene, like we didn't come up from a rap scene, because there's no rap scene on Phoenix. So basically when Nick, our manager, met us, he was like, yo, I got this plan, like I'm about to introduce you to this indie house scene, and he was like,


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[Assistant] This is like where it's at, like this is how you build a real core, cause like you said, we have a core following, a real core following.


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[Assistant] There's a lot of these people that are, like, you know what I mean, that are buzzing and all this stuff, but like, they can't sell 400 people in their hometown. And that's weird, like, I've asked people and I've been like, yo, so like, are you popping in your hometown? And this isn't even, cause like, there's people that are more popping than us in LA, but it's like, I just think it's like, you should be able to go to your hometown and play, you know what I mean? Sell out 600, 700 people, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And now in Phoenix there's like rap house shows and people do house shows and they just pack everybody in the, in the living room or if there's a basement, there's a basement or, but it's like, and now that's what people, that's what they do.


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[Assistant] Well, when rap doing it, that's directly from injury reserve. There's no conversation on that. But when we walked into a scene where it was indie bands that had been doing it for a minute. It wasn't a scene at all that we walked into. Not only was there not a lot of black people, if any, like even though it was started by


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[Assistant] We have to be, our live show has to be incredible for these kids that only listen to-


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[Assistant] Uhm, but we were, that's when we started really building like a core.


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[Assistant] I mean, obviously like it was Wu Tang and then it came back with, you know, like OF and then Travis has like a very punk mentality. But it's like, I think some people kind of force it because it's like super poppin' and like we kind of came from a scene where it's like, we kind of, it's just like, kind of came somewhat part of our identity.


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[Assistant] But it's not something where we're like sup- I don't know. It's not something that I like kinda yell and scream about. But going to the sub-genre thing, I think that while I totally get it in like the hardcore community and the metal community, I think that-


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[Assistant] With hip-hop, because it has a little sometimes of like a purest vibe, I think that the sub-genre shit sometimes is like counter, it's like...


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[Assistant] It's, it's actually hurts the genre. Cause like I said, I thought all of our job was to bring something new to the table. So.


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[Assistant] I hate it, like, I would, we were super anti, like, calling shit mumble rap. I thought it was cool when they stayed, like, kind of, like, nigga'd it, where they, like, turned it and they embraced it. Yeah. Like, like, I, like, when Playboi Carti said he was the Jay Electronica of mumble rap, I thought that was a crazy shit. Did he say that? I thought that was the craziest shit I've ever heard.


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[Assistant] And, and I thought it was tight how they like took it and kind of like embraced it. Cause that's the best thing. That's like, that's hip hop right there. You know what I mean? That's hip hop. That's like the black community. Like you know what I mean? Like being called one word and turning into like this is like. Hell yea, I'm that. Yeah, hell yea. And that's super tight. Uhm, but going to the kind of like the subgenre type thing, I just think it kind of like, it put, cause it's like,


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[Assistant] It's just, it's just not that good. I just think that sometimes it's kind of counterproductive cause it's like, that's our job. It should just be hip hop and it's like, just should be a bunch of different shit cause that's like our job to make different shit. Cause it's like,


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[Assistant] We, they called like Man on the Moon 1 a rap, like a hip hop album. Like nowadays it wouldn't even be remotely called like a hip hop. That's an experimental hip hop album now. You know what I mean? Man on the Moon 1 is acid rap is an experimental hip hop. That's not alt rap. That's not, you know what I mean? That's a rap. That's our job is to do like tight shit. Like you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Technically, then, seven different genre albums, like, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Party records didn't exist in the 80s and the 90s. Or even like the ghost writing thing, I thought that was really weird.


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[Assistant] They were making, they were, I mean, I don't know if I would say, they were just making the best rec. They were just like, is this gonna make the best song? I mean, don't get it twisted, we write our own shit, like, and, but, and it is pop, hooks is popular, like, that's why no one will be act like people don't write, like, write other people, like, a lot of people ask us to write hooks for them, like, you know what I mean? Hooks is popular.


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[Assistant] And then I get why people get kind of weird cause it's like you're writing about your like reality and someone else is writing it but it's like


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[Assistant] Michael Jackson probably wrote 40% of his songs. Beyonce doesn't write her songs. Rihanna doesn't write her songs. Dr. Dre doesn't write songs. Michael Jackson, you know what I mean? Michael Jackson wrote 40% of his songs, like the king of pop. I mean he is, but it's just like, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Yes. Yea, that's very real. Yea, he's right. Yea, because a lot, there's a lot of great songwriters that, like, you go and listen to their music and it's wack, and you're like, there's a reason why you're a songwriter, cause you're here to, like, help enhance somebody else, you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] I said that Big Poo was lame on the record. Oh, okay. And that's like every- we met with our booking agent, the first thing he said was, so what's up with this Big Poo shit?


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[Assistant] And I was like, I'm like yo, this is hip hop, like c'mon man, like it's kinda funny, it's funny, Big Pooh is kinda lame. And I was sitting, I'll argue with someone and I'll be like, Big Pooh never won.


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[Assistant] Never beat Fonte on a song. They're the only rap group where one nigga wins every single song. That didn't happen with Tribe, Outkast, nothing, De La Soul, nothing. This is the only rap group where one dude bodied the other dude.


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[Assistant] He does. And Fonte cares about movies too, and shows, like he be on that. Fonte is just like, he's literally industry reserved. Yeah, I just need Fonte.


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[Assistant] Cause it's like, we all do different things. It's like the same thing where like Yachty was trying to say like, yo, I'm not here to be the best rapper. Like, you know what I mean? There's, there's a time and place for everything. Like, we're a little bit more rappers, but I mean, you can listen to our records. There's some times I'm just chilling. Like, you know what I mean? But yeah, I mean, we're rap heads, like, you know what I mean? But we also fuck with all that shit that's going on.


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[Assistant] In the late 80s, late 80s was like, yea kinda, they did.


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[Assistant] Basically like, we got, we started getting the whole jazz rap ship after the first record, and we were like, nah.


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[Assistant] We're big on like, building on top of everything. And Floss was a record that we wanted it to be that, like, just us flossing. Like, so it's just like, very straightforward, yea, like very straightforward in your face, like, here's, like, everyone is either doing the like, not care enough, or is trying to do like, make my beautiful dark troops a fantasy, make some grandiose, like,


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[Assistant] We were like, no one just makes- puts 12 songs together that they care about and puts them on there. Either everyone puts every single song that they've ever made on a record and it's 24 songs, or they try to do some big fucking orchestra- like you know what I mean? We were like, nah, we're finna make-


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[Assistant] But yea, that we did that, I think we probably should release a couple, like, like you're saying, it's like a thing, I think some people are a little, now not enough project oriented, but I know that we're like super project oriented, and it's just like, we do approach things different.


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[Assistant] But it's not like a reaction to what everything is going on. It's kind of just like how we are. We're album people, like you know what I mean? I don't know if that's just like the background that we come from. And that's all three of us. Or the way that we approach music. We're just like, we're album people. Like someone drops an album, I want to hear the album. Like you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Cause I feel like that's where the real, like, artistry comes from, is like putting a record together.


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[Assistant] That's real. It's cool that you know. It's good advice. It's crazy. Parents are important. No, but no one knows to keep their eggs in their baskets. Everyone right now is doing everything. Like, it's good that you're like, okay, cause I'm letting you know right now, if there's a couple other 33 year old white dudes that were in your position, they'd be having just shit out right now.


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[Assistant] That's crazy. No, but yea, you know what I mean, that takes a lot, especially cause you know, you could probably get a couple niggas on your shit, like you know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Cause the thing is, no old racist dude would call him a nigger. No one would do that. No, no one, like no one would not give him a job because they're like, you know what I mean? I just feel like when you're that white passing, like the, the whole, this is gonna, this is gonna be on Reddit. No, it definitely is. This is gonna be on Reddit. No, we're good. He's probably a great guy.


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[Assistant] People don't think for a second that J. Cole is half white, you know what I mean? It just depends on, like, the side of the spectrum. But the thing is, is the reality is, it's funny how we're getting into, like, social issues, because I'm surprised we didn't already get into this. But the reality is, is like, the passing shit is real. Like, when you're white passing, like, you're, his life is...


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[Assistant] Like that, and just like, just me being light skinned is a little bit like, and even me being, my mom being white, you know what I mean? And my mom not having like,


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[Assistant] Social economic issues because she's white. I had an easier li- I had an easier life than he did. You know what I mean? Oh yea. Yea, it's like this dude is white pa- like no one would do some racist shit to him.


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[Assistant] Like, you know, just him, like, yea his family, he's a cool guy, I'm not trying to really like put him out like that.


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[Assistant] How do you have a song called Black Spider-Man when there is a Black Spider-Man?


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[Assistant] Well, what's funny is, yeaah, I randomly got like super into the history of black superheroes just because Ta-Nehisi Coates started writing Black Panther. Right.


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[Assistant] What's funny is I've seen a lot of interesting arguments and I've seen people that are like super into like keeping things into their origins and they're like, oh well, you wouldn't, you would be like upset if they change a black person into a white person and they do the whole like counter argument shit.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like you can't expect us to always go by the comics because


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[Assistant] Like, you have to change it. Like, you know, like, you just have to show it some love, so it's just like, the whole purists and that whole thing, and it's not even just, it just goes hand in hand with the Ghostbusters thing. If it was good, people wouldn't have tripped. I mean, they were, obviously there's gonna be a group of people that are like, blah, blah, blah.


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[Assistant] Right. Yeaah. What's funny about comedy is like, no one really wants to hear like, straight white guys do comedy anymore. Cause they're just shooting down at people. And Parker's always good at saying like, you're supposed to shoot up, not down.


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[Assistant] And that's why, like, women have funny shit, like, I just don't know, what's a white guy gonna make me laugh about, at least, like, he's just gonna talk about gay people, black people, he's gonna talk about-


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[Assistant] I do think that like some people are getting a little too hypersensitive, like don't get it twisted, but I do think that there's no issue with taking one fucking deep breath and being like


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[Assistant] I remember you doing the Suicide Boys interview, and I remember thinking, this is gonna be a fucking mess. And this is where I was like, I respect the fuck out of all these guys.


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[Assistant] Because you guys talked about, like, there was no reason that you guys needed to talk about, like, why people say the n-word. And like, you guys were all saying, like, shit that I, like, I was just judging and I was assuming.


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[Assistant] What, I'm not saying like what, who, what your audience is, but it's like you've never catered to like- I don't-


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[Assistant] No, yeaah, it's, you're, you're completely right, and this is like really weird just to even say this, but even like, for some reason this is weird.


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[Assistant] Even when you were doing those vlogs and you're like, I'm finna go get a manicure. I was like, this nigga is literally like, you could have easily been like, I'm not going to say that. I am a man. Like, you know what I mean? Like you could have been like, I'm a man. I'm not going to talk about getting a manicure on my shit. Like, you know- I'm so proud to start buying my nails. Bro, me too. Really?


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[Assistant] That's just us being, that's like someone like me, I'm just too judgmental, like you know what I mean? I'm too quick to jump the gun, and like, that's just something that, it's funny, like getting into politics, like I turn into like a more hateful person, because of the people that I thought were hateful. And I started hating people that hate me, and I was like, damn bro, I'm the same person.


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[Assistant] And I just started pointing, like, oh, this dude's right, this is that, this is that, this is that. So that was something that, like, like, I'm just being honest about. I was like, damn, like, this shit just proved me completely wrong. I look like an idiot right now. And I was like, bet I can fuck with this.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he's Sicilian. Oh, okay, Sicilian. Wow, that was a weird one. He's really about, no, he swears his family's about that. He's Sicilian, yeah. So he's straight. Yeah, he says nigga off-rack.


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[Assistant] I mean, she's definitely colored though. Yeah. More than me.


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[Assistant] Yeah. The white kids in the second half of it. That was cool. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, that was just kind of our way to do it. Like, that's a really, that's a crazy, that's a crazy question though. Like, I mean, I think that, yeah, I mean, it's a cra-


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[Assistant] It's a crazy question, cause the only reason why I would say, like, you can take a quite, like, you can take a second and think about it is because, like, now I don't think anybody's calling no Filipinos that word.


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[Assistant] Like, people are so racist against natives and fucking- In Arizona, probably. No, everywhere. If you're racist against black people, like, it's a known thing, you can't be racist against black people. And everyone's like, whoa, like, people, like, fucking Pacific Islanders are going through some shit right now. Like, there's territory that's really getting fought, like, you know, not so much fought for, but like, the native shit that's going down.


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[Assistant] And I, I somewhat get it, but it's like the, like black people, it's just like no, like no, no, no, but there's just other people that kind of get swept under the, and they're so like, not, I'm not saying they're cool about it, but it's like they could be a lot more angry about it, but yeaah.


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[Assistant] I mean, IR's obviously verified, but he's verified and we're not, and we're trying to figure out why the fuck that shit's going down. Cause his Twitter's trash.


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[Assistant] Shake hands, do tours, do shows. You're in LA now. Yeah, yeah, we stay out here now, so it's like...


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[Assistant] That's, that's like basically what this year is. So we're like, alright, bet let's do it. This thing is flirting and shit.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, we were just, we were, we actually, I hadn't met you before cause we were at that, when Zach did that uh, U-Haul sit.


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[Assistant] Over there, okay, right over here, yeaah. I always look different. Sometimes I got a beard, sometimes I don't. I had waves then, I didn't have hair. I was just chilling. I had a little beanie on, I had a little hoodie on, I was just kind of like wrapped up. But yeaah, I mean, yeaah, I mean, we're out here now, we're about to release an EP, that'll probably be hot. What, like a couple months or how long? Probably fall.


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[Assistant] We just gotta make sure it's hot. This year. Make sure it's hot.


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[Assistant] That's basically like, we wanna do something short and sweet, but make sure it's real good. Put some cool people on it, you know what I mean? Just like we did last record, put people that we fuck with on it. Yeah.


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[Assistant] We'll keep it in the raps. Yeaah, we'll keep it in the raps. I just don't want to say something and look like an idiot. You know how rap is.


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[Assistant] Uh, we're big, I mean, that's, that's like one of the guys that actually we do want to get on the new record. Yeah. I didn't want to deal with that. Danny Brown is like one of the ones. But it's like, I, I think that we got the, if we, bro, the thing is going to hurt you, bro. It's like, it's not, I'm sure. He's from Brooklyn.


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[Assistant] We've been working with Slow Hollows, which is a band from out here. Like Austin, he was on Blonde.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we were working, like, he's been working on our record. Uhm, but that's like one person that's like crazy talented. Uhm, but on a rap level, like, that's something that we'll kind of just keep on the low just in case so we don't look like idiots, but also so it's cool, like,


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[Assistant] We didn't want anyone to know that we were working with Vic back then, but we were kind of plodding on that for a minute. Because Nick works with Vic and Jake Osmond works with Vic, so it's like, yeaah.


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[Assistant] But yea, just chillin', Cakes da Killa was on the last record, who's a crazy rapper. Crazy verse. Crazy verse. We like people that are low key like that too, that we feel like need more shine. But that's really that, Cakes da Killa was on the last record, Vic was on the last record, the record before that.


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[Assistant] Girl Pool. Oh yea, we want a Girl Pool and Shamir on there. That's some indie shit. That didn't happen. The record before that, Curtis Williams, Chuck Inglis. We kinda like these like...


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[Assistant] More sometimes like low-key people are like people that are like chucking which is like important to a genre that we kind of sit in.


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[Assistant] Cause like Sam had to kind of approach him and it was kind of just like, yo, these dudes want you on this joint.


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[Assistant] And he literally had, he was playing a show that night and we got the verse that morning, the next morning.


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[Assistant] And it was hot, too. And it was like, he's about his paper, and then like, we kinda grew, like, we haven't talked to him in a minute, but like, we were thinking about doing like a tour together and all that stuff, but he kinda like, fathered, you know what I mean? The cool kids were like, kind of like, pre-Andrew Zerbe, you know what I mean? It's kinda like the same kind of idea, where it's kinda like this.


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[Assistant] What'd you say? I don't follow Tony Wasavage, but he probably tweets less wild shit.


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[Assistant] They tell you about that when me and Tyree went to get the washing machine that his dad's washing machine had been sitting in that storage room for 10 years and he starts pulling shit out and he has like an Obama like Phoenix campaign like fundraiser shirt.


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[Assistant] Well we asked Glass before, we were like, listen, well like,


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[Assistant] We told him the idea and we were like, is this biting young Jake? Let's just be honest, is it? And he was like, no, it's not something like he's done specifically.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's like, in the same circle, but it's different. You should do it. We were like that. We were like that. And that was, and we did it, but Young Jake did start, and Young Jake was the Andy Warhol of like, net art. Yea, of like net art, yea.


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[Assistant] The first question we figured out in New York after doing like three interviews, the best influence of Phoenix was the lack of influence of Phoenix.


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[Assistant] That's very valid. I'm at the point where I invite the entire Little Brother Beef, uhm, yea, Nate and Big Poo should just have a full on battle.


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[Assistant] That's you, P. This is just last album? Or, okay, album before last album, cause it sounds-


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[Assistant] Yeah, my bad. Uhm, ended up being 12 great songs instead of 10 great songs. Uhm, uhm, and that one was just like, making like what we did before, like bigger, better, uhm, more fun, like more something you could like,


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[Assistant] He's gonna be distraught. But logic, I tried to tell him.


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[Assistant] I have a really weird question that like I haven't like vocalized and it's not like I'm not gonna be the one to have any opinion on it. But I had this interesting thought the other day I was reading this book about


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[Assistant] Like when the U.S. like invaded, like took over the Philippines, like, and U.S. soldiers were like referring to all like the Filipino natives as the inwards. And like, I wonder like how it would be if they used it. Like if they were like being murdered like with that slur. I don't know, it's just a weird...


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[Assistant] If this isn't the entire interview with the cat right here.


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[Assistant] Who control? People think it's John Wayne. It's Austin.


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[Assistant] We wanted to get... Curtis. Earl Paul.


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[Assistant] The best authority in New York on modern art. He took one look and bought them both. I couldn't even give him my pictures, not for nothing. He wants to get hold of you. Told me to telephone him. You wait here, huh? No, no.


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[Assistant] There was a drug problem in Tulio and there still is a drug. They're selling drugs right now. I guarantee you they are.


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[Assistant] The defendants know when it boils down to it, when it rot boils down to it, they handed me the dope and I handed them the money.


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[Assistant] No, I didn't intentionally target anyone in Tulia. It just, it turned out that way. It's just the word of the road led me.


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[Assistant] Everybody's making a big deal. Oh god, he's, he, he said words like, oh, let's put him in an electric chair. Well, yeah.


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[Assistant] But that work was bad back in the 20s, 30s, and 40s, and 50s, and 60s, and 70s. But now, it's just a common, it's just a common slang. You know? Yea, I mean, people...


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[Assistant] You can watch TV and hear that word, you know? It's a greeting.


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[Assistant] That's been said, yes sir. But that wasn't the case.


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[Assistant] Yes sir, that would have helped. But that's not how the operation went.


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[Assistant] If I wanted to, I could deposit a check in your bank account without you being there.


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[Assistant] A lot of the juries during the trials, they spoke their verdict. And that was a lot of juries and that's just one judge.


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[Assistant] How has this affected you? Well, it's took my career away from me. But I'm surviving. I'm taking care of my family. I'm paying my bills.


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[Assistant] And I'm not doing dope, I'm not selling dope to do it with either. It's been hard, yes sir, it's been hard, but I'm proud of what I did to you.


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[Assistant] Thank you for having me. It's nice to, to join you from Poland.


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[Assistant] I got involved in preparation of the ISKCON deity worship manual called Pancharatra Pradeepa.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the early 90s in Mayapur, uh, and I was asked to be the main organizer of that, the chairperson. We had a committee with, uh, five or six devotees and, um,


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[Assistant] Coordinating and so on. And most practically, yeah, I would say all, all of this Sanskrit translation work, uh, was being done by His Holiness Banu Swami. Um, and this was all extremely valuable.


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[Assistant] Doing this compilation and who am I? What is my, I don't even know.


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[Assistant] Really basic Sanskrit, so I'm depending on others, but okay, I did the best I could.


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[Assistant] Exploring, what are the different options? There were some devotees in Vrindavan who were teaching


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[Assistant] Hare Nama Amritavyakaram of Jiva Goswami and, uh,


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[Assistant] And then I met His Holiness Hridaya Nanda Das Goswami, uhm, and over a period of two, maybe three years, he was encouraging me, uhm,


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[Assistant] To go back to university, because I had


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[Assistant] I've been a university student, uhm, a dropout really, before I joined the devotees. I was at University of California in Berkeley.


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[Assistant] He said, why don't you go back to school, back to university, you can study Sanskrit there, and, uh, you can, you can get, uhm, as he put it, you'll get credit for it.


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[Assistant] And being recognized in the wider world, uh, you'll be a person that, you know, people may listen to outside of the small circle of devotees.


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[Assistant] Uh, long story short, I was persuaded not only by him, but, uh, uh, eventually by His Holiness Tamalkrishna Goswami to


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[Assistant] To make the leap. Now in those days it was much more of a leap than it is today in terms of ISKCON ethos.


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[Assistant] This was 1995. I finally, finally decided to, I decided I will try. Let me see how I do. Let me take one semester and see how I manage.


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[Assistant] So, it was easy to get back into University of California.


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[Assistant] Uh, simultaneously I transferred campus, uhm, from Berkeley to Santa Barbara because Santa Barbara has, uh, the largest department of, uh, religious studies.


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[Assistant] On the western side of the USA, they have a very large department.


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[Assistant] And they have Sanskrit, uh, training and other South Asian languages. So uhm,


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[Assistant] Which I did as a marathon, uh, I sort of squeezed two years into a little over one year.


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[Assistant] And then I applied for a master's program at a private institution that's called the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley. It's just, uh, it's just two blocks away from the university.


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[Assistant] This is essentially a Christian institution, but they were offering a degree, a degree in the study of religion as, as a secular course. So I took that, uh, I did two year.


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[Assistant] Master's degree course full time, it was very intense.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was sort of half and half. My duties in ISKCON, uh, by this time...


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[Assistant] Well, I had finished up, uh, this project of, uh, compiling Pancharatra Pradeep. Uh, we managed to get it, uh, printed in, uh, the Mayapur BBT. Uh, and,


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[Assistant] Around this time I was asked to be the ISKCON Minister of Deity Worship.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I was, I was doing what I could for that service, but it was quite minimal.


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[Assistant] Uh, because of my studies and I didn't feel happy about that.


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[Assistant] Uh, so I w- I was quite happy, uh, when, uh, it became possible to pass on that duty, uh, which I- I did, I think it was 2005, uh, to, um, sing a Kavachar prabhu.


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[Assistant] Who has, he has really taken it, you know, very seriously and he's very active and he's done amazing things with the ministry. Uh, my other duties were, uhm,


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[Assistant] You could say just traveling and preaching as we say, mainly in Europe, uh, East Europe.


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[Assistant] And what I did is each summer I came back to Europe and traveled as much as I could.


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[Assistant] Visited devotees, temples, uhm, gave lectures, talks. And I kept up, I kept up correspondence, uhm, pretty well. And uhm, yeaah. That was about all that I had to do other than, uhm, the, the, the academic work. So somehow it worked out.


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[Assistant] Now I give a little plug from my latest book, uh, Cow Care and Hindu Animal Ethics.


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[Assistant] Because we managed to get the book published on what's called Open Access Platform.


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[Assistant] Uh, through, uh, the publisher, which is an international academic publisher. Uh, up until now, this is now six months.


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[Assistant] Maybe going on seven months, uh, the book's been out and it's been downloaded, digital download because it's available free of charge. It's been downloaded 31,000 times.


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[Assistant] So that's, you know, that's reaching uhm, somebody, somebody is


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[Assistant] Yeaah, also, uh, immediately...


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[Assistant] Was it immediately? No, I stayed in Oxford for another year. I did postdoctoral.


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[Assistant] Uh, study preparing my doctoral thesis for publication. After that, uhm, I had opportunity to teach


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[Assistant] At the University of Florida as, as, uh, uh, adjunct faculty for two semesters. Uhm, and then through that, uh, there was, uh, one conference that I took part in.


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[Assistant] And then after that one year, I came back to Oxford and


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[Assistant] Was planning to settle in Oxford more and then I got a call inviting me to come teach at Chinese University of Hong Kong. Uh, that ended up being on and off five years. Uh, and, and that has led to other


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[Assistant] Uhm, it was very nice. And yes, through that we can say, uh, uh, it's also become possible. I've been visiting mainland China, uh, the last, uhm, what is it now, eight years.


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[Assistant] Seven years, because I missed this year, because of the pandemic.


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[Assistant] Because of my, I mean very specifically because of my academic qualification,


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[Assistant] I think also important has been where I got my application qualification, Oxford.


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[Assistant] Uhm, all over Asia, the, the name Aja, uh, the name Oxford has, has a lot of ring, a lot of resonance.


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[Assistant] Uh, if you say you're from Oxford. Oh, you're from Oxford. Oh, okay. Uh, the doors are opening. So I've had a lot of opportunity giving lectures in universities in China, um, on all kinds of subjects related to, uh, Indian culture and, uh, Indian tradition.


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[Assistant] I have to be very careful there because, uh, they're very nervous about religion. Talking about religion is, uh, yeah, it has to be done in very careful ways.


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[Assistant] And, uh, some devotees have expressed concern that, uh, what is this, what is the value of


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[Assistant] You know, this bridge preaching, which they are, those who are expressing concern, the concern is that it's so indirect that it's perhaps watering down the message.


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[Assistant] And perhaps ultimately losing the message, uh, in something else.


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[Assistant] Which are all legitimate concerns, but when I, some years ago I was thinking about this, uh, this image of the bridge.


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[Assistant] And it occurred to me that our whole tradition,


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[Assistant] Is a tradition of bridging, of bridge preaching.


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[Assistant] This is what we are about, and if you read Chaitanya Chaitamrita,


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[Assistant] Uh, with this in mind, you'll see that what is Lord Shaitanya doing all the time? He is bridge preaching.


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[Assistant] To use this analogy, uh, and facilitate


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[Assistant] ...for people to cross over the bridge to Krishna consciousness, or are you building bridges that are going nowhere? But bridging is, it's, I think, what we are all about.


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[Assistant] When we use, when you use the word, and I like to also say that without, without the counterpart to outreach, which is in reach,


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[Assistant] To, uh, become Krishna conscious is to become also


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[Assistant] Uh, conscious of ourselves, conscious within, uh, becoming, uh, more deeply reflective


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[Assistant] About ourselves in Krishna consciousness, the two go together, because if it's outreach all the time,


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[Assistant] Uh, eventually it's not going to be an effective bridge anymore. And of course for this we have our, our sadhana. But sadhana, which is not reflective sadhana, may


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[Assistant] Um, yeah, I would say the challenge has been there from day one before when I first joined the temple. Um, and.


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[Assistant] A nice, a statement that I've always appreciated since I read it, uh, from one, uh, very senior Christian theologian, uhm, is that he said, faith is always in dialogue with doubt.


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[Assistant] Faith is always in dialogue with doubt.


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[Assistant] Doubts are demons and we hear that, uh, to have doubt means that one's faith is, you know, not, not solid and so on.


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[Assistant] So the, the location of the doubt might not be within oneself. It might be in the form of another person.


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[Assistant] Or it might be partially within and partially without. It can be, you know, many, uh, configurations.


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[Assistant] Or even before I joined the devotees. But I think that with the engagement in the academic world,


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[Assistant] And I want to say we sort of put, uh, on, uh, as a binary. We have faith on one side, reason on the other. The tradition of theology


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[Assistant] How do we apply reason to faith? That was the whole project of


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[Assistant] Since the 11th, 12th century, uh, in Europe.


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[Assistant] He was, he was like, Thomas Aquinas was, he was like the Jiva Goswami of the Roman Catholic Church.


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[Assistant] He wasn't so much a pioneer, the pioneers were others, uh, in the previous century, but he was more the culmination, uh, in the


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[Assistant] Aristotelian philosophy and Christian theology, uh, to bring them together. That was his whole project.


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[Assistant] How successful he was, uh, is debated and, and then the whole project kind of collapsed, uh, with the famous William of Ockham.


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[Assistant] William of Ockham with his Ockham's razor.


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[Assistant] Where he sort of made it a principle that we should question


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[Assistant] Any statement, any theological statement that is superfluous, which is not based on something we can point to as definitely true.


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[Assistant] You could say that's sort of the early form of 20th century positivism. But anyway, uhm, my point is that theology


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[Assistant] Is a practice that's been going on in the West since centuries.


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[Assistant] And this is a practice of bringing faith and reason together.


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[Assistant] Now we also have this in our tradition. It goes back.


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[Assistant] We can say it's a tradition, a theological tradition of reflecting on, uh,


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[Assistant] On doctrine reflecting on, uh, principles of faith.


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[Assistant] And applying reason to them. And so we have...


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[Assistant] And so we have the works of Jiva Goswami, for example, and Srila Rupa Goswami, all the Goswamis.


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[Assistant] But also, long before them, of course, we have the Vaishnavacharyas, all of them, Ramanujacharya, they were doing theology.


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[Assistant] Uh, to update, uh, this practice


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[Assistant] To, uh, to apply sometimes modern language and to comprehend


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[Assistant] Uh, contemporary issues, contemporary theological, philosophical, social issues, uh, the whole gamut.


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[Assistant] And then with a clear understanding of what are the concerns to see how Christian consciousness can address those concerns.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's a nice question. And I think the short answer is, uh, that's a work in progress. Um, Srila Prabhupada conceived, as I see it, he conceived of his movement, um, in many ways, first and foremost as an educational


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[Assistant] Uh, mission, because he in his, at least one of his very early articles, like 1944,


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[Assistant] Back to Godhead, he would speak, he wrote that temples should be places of education.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that has sort of resonated with me over the years, and I've therefore been concerned that we develop educational, uh, facilities within our society, beginning from preschool and going through tertiary education. Uh, but these things take time.


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[Assistant] And we are, uhm, still a very young society, uhm, and we're dealing with


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[Assistant] A tradition from India that's centuries and millennia old, uh, out of India.


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[Assistant] Uh, and trying to, uh, not just


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[Assistant] Spread superficially but, uh, to actually sink roots into other societies.


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[Assistant] Takes time, uh, if we look at, uh, the spread of Buddhism in China.


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[Assistant] For example, the early stages of that spread were in the early centuries of the common era.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and it's, it was a process that took, you know, several centuries.


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[Assistant] Uh, and you could say it's something which is ongoing in China. There's, uhm, there's all kinds of...


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[Assistant] Uhm, yeaah, discussion going on within Chinese society.


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[Assistant] And we have a long way to go in terms of developing good resources, uh, for devotees who want to


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[Assistant] Delve a bit more deeply and are not so satisfied with the, the simplified answers and not so satisfied with the polarity of, uhm, you know, a kind of


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[Assistant] I believe or I don't believe, uhm, there's faith, there's doubt, uhm, a lot of the,


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[Assistant] Argumentation, the discussion that goes on among devotees is unfortunately in this polarized form.


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[Assistant] Well, maybe there's something valid, maybe there's validity to what's being said on both sides. So maybe we need to use our intelligence to find some sort of middle ground. And what's also missing is, there's a lot of lack of knowledge of Shastra.


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[Assistant] Even we may be reading so much over so many years, uhm,


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[Assistant] I've been struck by this recently, uh, just by hearing occasionally Hari Parshad Prabhu, uh, in Mumbai, who is very knowledgeable of Shastra. Uh, and things that he brings up, uh, are just so illuminating.


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[Assistant] So that is a, that's a, uh, something that takes time for there to be more scholars on the sort of traditional pundit side. Uhm, there's, there's need for that. There's more, there's need for more scholarship.


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[Assistant] On the more wet, I would say modern western side, uh, to be in tune with the kind of thinking that goes on. For example, you mentioned


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[Assistant] Uh, the, the reasoning which we accept for the existence of Atma of the Self.


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[Assistant] Uhm, yes, that is there, and there's a huge literature, which much of it is based in Buddhism, of course, where Anatmavada


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[Assistant] Uh, is one of their kind of cornerstones. Although if you read, if you read more carefully, you see that in fact, uhm, this was never in Buddhism,


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[Assistant] And to the present day, some scholars I've read say it's still a matter of debate.


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[Assistant] Devotees who really spend time to get to know what are the, what are the current discussions.


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[Assistant] Encouraging or inspiring for devotees, it's something which is now in the works, uh, and will soon become available. And that is a course


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[Assistant] Uh, which is being prepared, uh, under the auspices of the GBC Shastra Advisory Council, uh, of which I'm, uh, a, uh, what do you say, an advisory member, uhm, and,


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[Assistant] Uhm, this course is a course on Vaishnava hermeneutics.


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[Assistant] Now most devotees don't know what the word hermeneutics means, uh, and we can be forgiven for that. Uh, hermeneutics basically is the study of the discussion about interpretation. How do we interpret what we read, what we hear?


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[Assistant] And of course some devotees will jump and say, wait, wait, wait, we don't need that at all because Shila Prabh had said several times, there is no need of interpretation.


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[Assistant] But if you look at that statement a little more carefully, you see what Prabhupada is saying is if a statement, if a literal


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[Assistant] If the literal interpretation of a statement is clear and


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[Assistant] Meaningful and makes sense in the gandha. Then there's no need for further interpretation.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but to say there's no need of interpretation is itself an interpretation.


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[Assistant] You cannot avoid. So what the JBC requested us, and this has been over a period of years now,


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[Assistant] Shastra Advisory Council to develop, and you know this very well because you're involved, uh, is to develop, uh, uh, resources and then a


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[Assistant] A program so devotees can become


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[Assistant] We see here's one statement in Jastra and over here is another statement and they seem to conflict. What do we do with that? Uhm, do we just pile up quotes and throw them at someone we don't like or how do we come to a clear understanding?


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[Assistant] Of interpretation. And, uh, we want to facilitate that this can be


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[Assistant] Brought for devotees and it, it will be an ongoing process. It will certainly be over, uhm, over


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[Assistant] It can be over a very long time that this course becomes refined, becomes improved, uh, becomes enriched until we get really expert teachers of the course and so on.


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[Assistant] Okay, uhm, well, we can start with my book on cows, I suppose. One of the subjects I discuss in the book is veganism.


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[Assistant] That's a result of a very strong promotion, uh, very vocal, uh,


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[Assistant] Presence of people who call themselves vegan.


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[Assistant] Uh, and, uh, we can say in the, in the West, especially there's a significant movement of veganism, the idea that, uh, not just being vegetarian, but avoiding all


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[Assistant] Animal products is, uh, is the, is the right thing to do from various, for various reasons, uh, not least, um, ethical reasons.


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[Assistant] So, yeaah, maybe I start with a bit from my own personal situation. A few years back, my doctor, who's a devotee,


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[Assistant] Advised me, uhm, uhm, that considering my age and other things, uh, it would actually be best if I would become


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[Assistant] Not necessarily 100%, but mainly vegan, that I should avoid taking milk products. Would be good for my health.


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[Assistant] And I immediately accepted. I just felt, yes, uhm, if that's the case, then so be it. And so I began, uh, making that my, my standard, avoiding, uh,


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[Assistant] I basically, I just stopped taking milk products, dairy.


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[Assistant] And well, I felt physically better as a result. Uhm, and also I felt, uhm, I felt kind of ethically better, if you like.


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[Assistant] And then came this, uh, opportunity to write this book, and I saw, okay, now, I'm gonna have to really deal with this subject, because,


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[Assistant] Here we have our, uh, tradition, which people identify as Hindu, although I think it's better to just say South Asian, uh, tradition of, um, high regard for cows.


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[Assistant] And along with it, we have this understanding that especially Krishna devotees, we have to offer milk preparations to Krishna because uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, help to give a deeper understanding of our tradition and where we may go with it. Uhm, in, I think it's chapter five I discuss, uh, the vegan argument


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[Assistant] The vegans have, up to a certain point, they have a very good point. And the point is that, uh, no animals should be exploited, uh, abused, uh, and there is every danger, even


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[Assistant] For those who are claiming to be protecting cows,


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[Assistant] There's every danger that they're actually exploiting the cows by taking the milk. It may be in different ways.


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[Assistant] You know, how much, how much are they giving of the milk to the calves?


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[Assistant] Uhm, various, there are various ways that they, they may be, uh, abusing the cows.


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[Assistant] They may be keeping the cows throughout their natural lives, and that's, that's the minimum, we can say, for the standard of cow protection, we understand. Uh, but uhm, there may be other issues.


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[Assistant] Uh, cow protection and in dairy products, uhm, because we like to offer them to Krishna.


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[Assistant] Maybe we need to look again at how much milk we need.


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[Assistant] And, uh, devotees have pointed out, actually, Bhairakrishna Goswami makes this point. He, he read, Srila Prabhupada advised, devotees should drink one cup of milk per day.


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[Assistant] One cup, which is uhm, I don't know, two, uh, what is the quantity? It's uhm, half a pint or something.


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[Assistant] But we are making so much cheese and yogurt and this and that and, you know.


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[Assistant] And that's not healthy for us when we, uh, my doctor said the most difficult thing for us to digest is paneer.


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[Assistant] You know, we, we all, we all love paneer sabji, right? We, we fish out the paneer so we can have only paneer.


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[Assistant] And that's the most difficult, you know, that's what's, that's what's creating the, the kidney stones and so on.


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[Assistant] What if we think about significantly reducing the quantity of milk, and then that milk which we, uh, which we take,


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[Assistant] We take only from protected cows, and however small amount that is,


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[Assistant] It becomes a very precious


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[Assistant] And most of it, uhm, after we offer to Krishna, we give to our children. Because for children, it's important. They should be getting milk.


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[Assistant] The older we get, the less milk we need. That's my understanding. I'm not a nutritionist, but, uh, the bit that I've read and heard, uh, the less milk we need. Um, and some argue, uh, that actually we don't in a modern


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[Assistant] Uh, certain things that no provide we can get elsewhere. So, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, okay, let's look at your argument. You are saying...


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[Assistant] Uhm, that, uhm, to take, uh, dairy, uh, to take the milk from the cows is exploitative, no matter what.


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[Assistant] And so what you want to say is that, uhm, ultimately, well at least some, uh, vegans, uh, that are called abolitionists, they want to completely stop


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[Assistant] Human relations with animals. Period.


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[Assistant] We will exploit them. And why will we exploit them? Because we will.


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[Assistant] Uhm, we will own them. It's a matter of the mentality of ownership.


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[Assistant] So I'm suggesting in this book that, uhm,


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[Assistant] I don't elaborate so much but, uh, the, the question is if we say absolutely no relation between humans and animals.


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[Assistant] Uhm, how are we gonna get our grains for making bread?


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[Assistant] Uhm, what does that mean? What happened to taking care of the environment?


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[Assistant] What is going to be the long-term consequence of that for the animals which you are leaving alone? Are they going to, if that's not going to change the climate so that, you know, animal species are dying out? And so on and so on.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and, and also I bring in this idea of animal citizenship.


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[Assistant] Uh, which grows out of, uhm, well, it grows out of enlight, so-called enlightenment European thought and so on.


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[Assistant] But the idea is to, uh, to stretch the notion of, uh, citizenship to, to honor


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[Assistant] And this gets back to something Prabhupada would say several times, uh, to honor the notion of prajah.


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[Assistant] Pravin would say the duty of the King was to protect, protect the Prajah and the Prajah


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[Assistant] Uh, is, is referring to it, but also modern scholars, and I'm referring, uh, to


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[Assistant] Uh, two scholars in particular wrote, wrote a book called Zo, Zoopolis. Uhm, the, the, uh, the city state of animals, something like that.


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[Assistant] And they're going quite systematically into a kind of uhm, yeaah, we might call it constructive


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[Assistant] And they go through nine aspects, uh, of what they say would be important to think about, uh, animal citizenship. So I discussed four out of those nine.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the first one, uh, is to do with, uh, with movement or freedom of movement.


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[Assistant] One bull that's being fed a whole big pot of rice in the street by one, uh, one local merchant.


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[Assistant] Uh, the more extreme, uh, vegans will say that, uh, to, to put an, an ox to work, or a horse to work, is, is, uh, it's slavery.


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[Assistant] And I'm suggesting, uh, that's, that's an oversimplification. Uh, it's the use of a metaphor which becomes easily a misuse of the metaphor.


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[Assistant] Uhm, because, uh, we, we can also turn it around to see animal as citizen having a sense of use in the wider


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[Assistant] World, having a sense of purpose.


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[Assistant] Uh, which connects that, uhm, particular being, that animal, uhm, we would say, with Dharma, which moves them up out of this sphere of being only an animal, as we know from Hithovadesh.


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[Assistant] Uh, how does that verse go? The animals and humans share four activities. Eating, sleeping, mating, defending.


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[Assistant] And, aharanidrabhayamaitanadi.


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[Assistant] And, and human beings are distinguished by one principle which is Dharma.


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[Assistant] If we're able to engage without exploiting, if we can engage bulls in work, uh, then they, uh,


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[Assistant] And they have a contribution and they are rewarded appropriately. They are protected.


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[Assistant] And Shila Prabhupada speaks about this with respect to milk. He says, you're taking their milk, so that makes them your, uh, your mother.


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[Assistant] So then you must protect them, uh, throughout their lives. Otherwise, uh, it is very sinful.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I, I think you have a nice analogy there of the, of the mirror. Uhm, and,


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[Assistant] For the vegans, because it's not that all vegans are abolitionist vegans, I think many, uh, in reading this, they will say, okay, this is reasonable.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now, how do I get my, uhm, ahimsa milk? My, I wanna, I wanna, now, now I wanna be vegan, but I also would like milk.


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[Assistant] Uhm, how do I get milk from protected cows?


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[Assistant] Then what we need is to have in place a full program, uhm, including courses, online courses or whatever, how to start a program of cow protection on different scales. And that work is beginning


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[Assistant] Uh, because we have, uh, there's a small group of devotees, uh, in the UK, in Leicester, Sita Ram Prabhu and others, uh, have this, it's a business, they're doing it as a business, ahimsa milk.


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[Assistant] They're selling milk all over the UK, they send it by post, uhm, and,


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[Assistant] They're getting huge response despite the milk being much more expensive than what you buy in the shop.


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[Assistant] People are willing to pay that money and now they're getting many people asking, okay,


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[Assistant] How do we do this now? We wanna have cows.


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[Assistant] So, so also the, uh, the ISKCON Ministry of Cow Protection and Agriculture is also working on a course, uh, to, uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, to facilitate. Okay, you're talking about all of this. This is all nice, uh, philosophy and theology and whatever. Now how do we do it? So that, that's the next step.


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[Assistant] The economics of this is not at all simple, but I think what we want to say is that should not be the primary consideration. It has to be, uh, sustainable economically.


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[Assistant] But that's uhm, that's in effect, that's where my book leaves off. I, I can't, I couldn't in this book, uh, enter into such details.


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[Assistant] It's also, uh, since last year, uhm, a G, a GBC resolution. It's, it's not a, it's not a law, but it's a, it's an advisory


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[Assistant] All temples of ISKCON, where deity worship is going on, should have in place a plan.


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[Assistant] Of how they are going to, uhm, convert to ahimsa, ahimsa milk only being offered to the deities.


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[Assistant] In, uh, one of the temples that Srila Prabhupada said to take as, uhm, as a model for ISKCON is the Radharaman temple in Vrindavan.


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[Assistant] And Sheila Gopal Bhatta Goswami, uh, was, uh,


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[Assistant] There's a controversy, but we've just recently heard its definitive now, as our Acharya's, as Bhaktisiddhanta Thakur said, Sanatana Goswami has written the Hari Bhaktivilasa. But, uh, I believe Gopal Bhakta Goswami was also involved.


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[Assistant] And the Hari Bhaktivilasa is, uh, our standard Shastra for deity worship.


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[Assistant] So, for my doctoral research, I spent four months, uh, living next to Radharaman Temple and


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[Assistant] Uhm, observing their worship and meeting some of the, uh, priests and interviewing them and


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[Assistant] Learning just what is it that they do day by day and I managed to get there.


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[Assistant] Uh, written, uhm, daily prayoga.


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[Assistant] In Brajbhasa language and like that. So what I saw from that is there,


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[Assistant] They're sort of specialty of the house.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that, uh, everyone likes to get the prasadav is this, uh, kulia, uh, this boiled down milk sweet, uh, which I'm sure you know they, they give out in little, uhm, little clay pots.


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[Assistant] And this is a kind of, uhm, replication.


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[Assistant] Of, uh, the pastime of Kshiracharya Gopinath, this is where that whole idea comes from.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I didn't see a whole lot of milk product being offered.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it's, it is mentioned that Krishna likes milk products. There are descriptions of his, uh, some of his meals, uhm, I think in Gopalchampu and so on, and there is mention, uhm,


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[Assistant] And lots of milk if it's ahimsa. And if it's not there, it's not there.


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[Assistant] Aside from that, each, each deity, uhm, has specialty, specialties of how they are worshipped.


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[Assistant] So for example, we know that Lord Jagannath likes to eat, and so he's offered 56 preparations every day.


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[Assistant] Uh, in huge pots. So that is the service to Jagannath.


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[Assistant] Uh, the specialty of worship, uh, for Radha Krishna


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[Assistant] Boga offering, and the third thing is music.


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[Assistant] They, they told me this in Radharaman temple that, uh, they call it samaj gayana, uh, singing in, in a group before the deity. And therefore many times of the day you go in Radharaman temple, they're singing. Uh, so that's, that's the specialty.


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[Assistant] So different deities, uh, will have different specialties.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, that could be, that could be one, one way of understanding.


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[Assistant] Uh, what was it, I was just gonna say something anyway.


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[Assistant] Constructive theology, you brought up that term.


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[Assistant] And you look at our tradition, you look back at the tradition.


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[Assistant] Pridaya Korya Aikya Satyatamba Jibo Prem Madhya Madhya


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[Assistant] Sadhu Shastra Guru Vakya, the words of the sadhu, the shastra and the guru.


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[Assistant] This is the prayer. He's not saying everybody's heart, he's saying in my heart.


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[Assistant] Hridaya Koriya Aikya, and then what will be the result? Satatamba Jibo.


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[Assistant] Prema maje, I will be absorbed in Krishna, love of Krishna, always. Satatam.


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[Assistant] How do we draw from our own tradition to build, therefore this word construction, to build a solid foundation for action in which we feel


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[Assistant] Genuinely connected to our tradition.


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[Assistant] And we feel equally connected, uh, to, um, engagement in the, um, present condi- uh, conditioned or contingent world.


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[Assistant] So there's a conscious drawing from tradition.


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[Assistant] And here is something from Shastra which is not relevant for us now.


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[Assistant] Take for example, again, we spoke of Hari Bhaktivirlaasa. The Hari Bhaktivirlaasa is, it's like an encyclopedia of deity worship.


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[Assistant] But Prabhupada said, here's what's important. Everything should be on time and everything should be clean.


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[Assistant] But he also said, you know, you can learn, uh, to do more, more of the, uh, the rituals, the practices and so on. Uhm, so the Guru, the point was that the Guru


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[Assistant] One of the important functions of Guru is selection, helping us to select what's important from the tradition.


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[Assistant] And setting aside what is not important or what is not relevant, uh, or which is somehow even obstructive, uh, to our spiritual life.


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[Assistant] To make it possible for that to become a clear Aikya, a clear unity.


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[Assistant] In the heart. And, and yes, if you try to make, if you go the other way around and you try to sort of unify yourself with Sadhu Shastra Guru, you may be very easily confused. Not only do you have three sources,


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[Assistant] It's putting the responsibility on ourselves, uhm, and it's also, uhm,


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[Assistant] Narottam Das Thakur is indicating what is the test of whether this has worked.


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[Assistant] Not very conducive to starting a conversation.


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[Assistant] Because, uhm, as we know, the Bhagavatam calls our attention from verse number, uhm, verse number three of the first canto, that the Bhagavatam is, uhm,


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[Assistant] And it's a dread, you know, it says, pibhata bhagavatam rasam alayam mahuraho rasika-muhi bhagavata.


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[Assistant] Now, one of the important rasas, although it's considered a secondary rasa,


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[Assistant] Uh, by Sheila Rupa Goswami is Adbhuta is wonder. Uh, I've just been reading.


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[Assistant] A very amazing work, uh, from one of our devotees, Gopinath Acharya Prabhu, has written a book, uhm, his doctoral thesis published by Oxford University Press on Kavikarnapura. Hmm.


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[Assistant] And Kavi Karnapura has his own very elaborate analysis.


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[Assistant] Of, uhm, poetry, aesthetics, rasa theory. And this book goes into so much detail. But one of the points that struck me is, uhm,


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[Assistant] I hope I understood him properly. It's quite complex, but I think he's saying that for Kavikarnapura, uh, Adbhuta or wonder is there in all the Rasas.


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[Assistant] So, but the point I wanna make here is when we hear about these astronomical numbers, what I hear is, uh,


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[Assistant] Shukadeva Goswami calling upon us to experience a sense of wonder.


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[Assistant] And that is a sense of, oh, this world is something so much more.


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[Assistant] So much bigger, so more, so much more wonderful than I perceive


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[Assistant] Humanity perceive. It is so much more than what we think it is.


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[Assistant] And so the Bhagavatam, one of the, one of Sugadeva Goswami's


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[Assistant] To recognize, to appreciate how limited our


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[Assistant] Uh, our awareness is so that we can, uhm, so that we can be open to the


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[Assistant] Okay, let's, let's go with, uh, let's go with Chitra Ketu and his 10 million wives. Uhm, I, I completely agree when I think about how difficult, uh, it is today for, uh, a responsible householder


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[Assistant] 2, 3, 5, 10. So what is this 10 million?


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[Assistant] Another way of understanding is the, I think again we need to remember that the entire Bhagavatam, the format, except for several passages in fifth and some in the sixth canto which are prose, it's all in the form of poetry.


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[Assistant] And uhm, that's something else that Shastra, uh, that the aestheticians explain about poetry, is that it's about what is called dvani, which means suggestion.


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[Assistant] Oh, so then you have the next step, which is


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, the non-literal meaning, it must mean the village next to the Ganga.


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[Assistant] Um, and then, uh, that's, uh, that's the connotative meaning, Lakshana, I guess it's called.


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[Assistant] And then there's dvani, which means the implication, which is not explicit.


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[Assistant] Is that this was a place with nice cool breezes coming off the Ganga.


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[Assistant] And it goes a further step, I just read again, this is mentioned in Gopinathacharya's book.


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[Assistant] Uhm, there's a further implication that the, the Gosha is in a very


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[Assistant] In a sense, very much on the Ganga because, uh, you can see the reflection of the Ganga, of the village, sorry, the reflection of the village on the water of the Ganga. And so it's a very beautiful scene also.


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[Assistant] So for me, when I read 10 million wives, uhm,


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[Assistant] For me there's an image of a king with just, he had so many wives he didn't even know them.


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[Assistant] Uh, in Valmiki Ramayana, in the unabridged edition, uh, Dasaratha had three wives.


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[Assistant] There's a new, uhm, GBC resolution that no one should promote their book from the Vyasa San. So, I'm not on the Vyasa San now.


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[Assistant] It's called Cow Care in Hindu Animal Ethics. It's within its one volume in a book series on animal ethics. Uh, animal ethics is, uh,


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[Assistant] A newly developing subject in the academic world, uh, as part of what some scholars call the animal turn.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's, uh, there's a whole broader area called animal studies, uh, where, uh, taking all the different disciplines.


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[Assistant] Uh, sociology, anthropology, politics, uh, law, uh, psychology, you name it.


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[Assistant] And thinking, rethinking, thinking through all these subjects again, uh, taking seriously the idea of, uh,


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[Assistant] Uhm, so within animal studies, then there's animal ethics. Ethics, of course, the broader


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[Assistant] Topic of philosophy, uh, is asking questions.


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[Assistant] About morality, but, uh, it's, it's a very fundamental


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[Assistant] Major field of philosophy. How do we determine what is the proper thing to do? What is the right way to act?


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[Assistant] In particular situations or more generally, and how do we, uhm, how do we


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[Assistant] What do we base our decisions on? How do we make these decisions of what we should do and what we should not do? Much of modern, uh, ethical thought is being done


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[Assistant] With the presupposition of taking God out of the picture.


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[Assistant] So now we as humans have to do all the work ourselves.


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[Assistant] Uh, to decide what is to be done, what is not to be done.


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[Assistant] This may not be so helpful, uh, to understand what is to be done, what is not to be done with relation to animals.


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[Assistant] Anyway, uhm, I was invited to write this book by the, uh, editor of the book series who very kindly encouraged me.


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[Assistant] Uh, the publisher is Palgrave Macmillan. Macmillan, uh, before it, uh, joined with Palgrave, was the publisher that published Srila Prabhupada's Bhagavad Gita in the beginning.


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[Assistant] Uhm, now, Palgrave Macmillan is itself a subsidiary of Springer Nature, or Springer International, uh, which is an academic, uhm, publisher which


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[Assistant] Uh, and they have as an option for an author to publish in what is called Open Access.


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[Assistant] That the book can be, can be made available


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[Assistant] Uh, legally, uh, through the publisher for uhm, completely free access to the digital form of the book.


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[Assistant] So that's what we have managed to do. Uhm, it involved some fundraising on my part, which


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[Assistant] Was, uh, successful, uh, a lot of help from devotees. And now the book is available and, uh, as you said, you can give the link. It's good if, uh, devotees take, uh, download the book if you, anyone's interested in it.


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[Assistant] From the publisher's website because then, uh, it gets counted.


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[Assistant] It's not about making compromises or something like that. It's keeping the traditional life.


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[Assistant] Krishna is speaking in Bhagavad Gita, uh, so much about buddhi yoga.


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[Assistant] Bhuddhi yukto jahati ha ube sukhrita duskhrite tasmat yogaya yujya sva.


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[Assistant] Yoga, Karma, Su, Koshalam.


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[Assistant] Uh, yoga is the art of karma, of work, of action.


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[Assistant] Uh, so this koshalam, this is where we need to bring in our skill and our art, uh, to, uh, to make


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[Assistant] And that's what we've seen is, was so wonderfully


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[Assistant] Accomplished by our previous Acharyas.


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[Assistant] Uh, keep, keeping enlivening the tradition by engaging in the bridge building.


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[Assistant] Thank you very much. Yes, we can do something again. And all the best for your podcast. I appreciate that you are bringing up, uh, such subjects and you're interviewing, uh, so many, uh, important, uh,


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[Assistant] Important devotees and this is very good what you're doing. It's a nice service.


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[Assistant] They just.


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[Assistant] Oh my god. So surreal. I can't believe the information is out there.


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[Assistant] It's been a secret for so long. Talk to me about the creation of this song


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[Assistant] It's a problem that's, you know, occurring everywhere you look. And everyone is someone or knows someone that's been, you know, taken advantage of. So.


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[Assistant] Like I take a little longer to write than he does, he's kinda just like boom boom boom boom boom. He's, I mean he's really good at it. It can be tough, but I think it just like changed for this process. I felt better than I've ever felt about my writing. I actually was like


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[Assistant] You know, cause every time we finish a song, we send it to the whole like label team.


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[Assistant] Larry was not interested in following the rules at school, in the family, or anywhere else. Larry needed to get out from underneath the shadow of Lewis Ellison and prove to his father that he could make something of himself.


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[Assistant] Bob had all of the engineering smarts, the technical ability.


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[Assistant] Larry on the other hand had the sales ability, the visionary ability, the ability to go to a customer and explain.


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[Assistant] Oracle hit a wall. These aggressive sales practices started to cause serious problems.


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[Assistant] And I'm going to put in one vector here. We'll call that the vector x.


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[Assistant] So in other words, I have a connective vector between them, which is the vector x minus y.


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[Assistant] And the square rooted is just considered to be the notion of length, so I will call this the length of x minus y. So that's how we can compute the length between two vectors. Now,


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[Assistant] So I'm going to say that this is vector x dotted with vector x minus


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[Assistant] Vector x dotted with vector y, minus vector y dotted with vector x, and then finally minus minus is a plus, plus vector y dotted with vector y. Alright?


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[Assistant] And in this case, when the x dot y are orthogonal, then the expression we just computed is just a Pythagorean formula. So, when this is true,


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[Assistant] Indeed, if we go back to our picture that we have, I can imagine coming in here and putting in an angle theta here.


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[Assistant] Divided out by the length of the vector x times the length of the vector y.


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[Assistant] Alright, here we go. No jumper, number, whatever. I don't even know what it is. We're here with, uh, Fat Nick and Pouya.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, I completely agree. Uhm, what is it? Does the lean subject matter make you endeared to it even more?


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[Assistant] Right. How the hell did you guys get wrapped up together in the first place?


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[Assistant] So what else? Any other pursuits that you guys took on?


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[Assistant] Twenty and? Twenty. Jesus Christ, so you guys just dropped out the other day, alright.


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[Assistant] So, uh, okay, so you dropped out in 10th grade, and then what were you guys doing? Like, how'd you eventually start rapping?


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[Assistant] Right, and, but, 17. Did you have success with the Rabban thing at first, or uh, not at all?


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[Assistant] What is it about Chief Keef that you love so much? You a Keef fan too?


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[Assistant] Yeaah. And you, you, the thing about Chief Keef that I really love is the fact that he reached a certain level of success and instead of like doing the traditional rapper thing where he's on a label and he goes on tour all the time, he bought a big ass fucking mansion and he sits in the mansion and he smokes weed and he makes songs and that's it. And we get to hear it all, like every, every part or whatever.


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[Assistant] They did nothing for me. I don't think they really did a whole lot for anybody.


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[Assistant] That's kind of the weird position that I think. Alright, so let me give you my hot take on my fucking rap, supposed rap journalist take, which is kind of like,


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[Assistant] Sometimes when I look at, like, you guys and a lot of the music that's come out, like, I would just say Post-Raider Clan.


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[Assistant] So at what point, what was it that gave you the confidence of really making you feel like you could be a rapper?


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[Assistant] Do you get, uh, do you guys get covered by like blogs or websites?


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[Assistant] You have girls that will straight up, like, slave away, do whatever the fuck you tell them to do, huh? That's scary.


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[Assistant] What are your influences in terms of the aesthetics in your videos?


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[Assistant] I feel like I know exactly how many drugs Chili Sosa does every single day because he keeps you updated exactly. You get to see the lean in towards-


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. So, are you, are you, to what level would you consider yourself an elitist when it comes to lean?


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[Assistant] I wanted to know, is uh, whose idea was it to bring Nick Coletti as the host on the tour?


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[Assistant] Fat Fat is stirring around in his chair, like maybe not, but I think she's dope.


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[Assistant] Pitch. So it's like, double XL, freshman 2015, Rich the Kid, Pitch. So Rich the Kid sits there and explains why he should be on the cover. This is weird to me because I'm so used to like, Tyler, they wanted Tyler on the cover and Tyler was like, fuck you. They wanted Nicky on the cover and they were like, fuck you. I'm used to the freshman list kind of being an insult in a weird way where it's like,


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[Assistant] Have you guys noticed, uh, the trend going on of white rappers turning country? Kid Rock, Bubba Sparks.


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[Assistant] Yo, one more question. You know Chingy's making a comeback? Supposedly. He's got a new video and he's spitting some like seriously socially conscious shit on it. Sounds like fucking just rapping about politics and all that stuff.


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[Assistant] Also the girl right behind me, she just sent you a selfie while I was looking at this and I saw it so...


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[Assistant] So, a lot of questions we already answered. How'd you come up with Buffet Boys? How'd you meet Simi?


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[Assistant] People don't realize how much these questions are repeating. Yea, how was the clan day is a boring ass question. Uh, how much bud do you smoke in a day? Shit.


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[Assistant] Okay, but I got 125 comments on my personal Instagram, so I'm looking at this right now. See if we can fit a few more in here.


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[Assistant] Hey, what about Ryan Hayes? He said have they ever done a circle jerk?


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[Assistant] That's a good choice, honestly. You need all that brain power you can get.


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[Assistant] So how do you feel when you get a fat joke these days? You just don't care at all.


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[Assistant] I just at the end of my wall, you people, your questions suck. Does Puyo have a hot mom?


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[Assistant] I smell like a guy who's wearing a shirt that does not have any absorption qualities so the sweat just...


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[Assistant] Okay, nojumper number four, here with the one and only Grant Cobb. Tattoo icon, uh, overall, uh, scumbag around town. Scumbag, is that offensive?


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[Assistant] Alright, but so what really fucking gets under your skin, uh, that people ask you?


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[Assistant] Yeah, they're all just residing in general.


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[Assistant] Okay, so where are you from exactly? Grant Cobb, professional tattoo artist in the building.


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[Assistant] So from day one, what was your tattooing life like? Who got you into it?


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[Assistant] And then, uh, what was it like from there? How long did you work in that shop or before you joined the Marines?


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[Assistant] And then when you moved out to LA, did you start, oh, so Jinx Proof, how long were you there?


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[Assistant] How does that manifest itself? Do you like keep a lot of people around you that are, uh...


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[Assistant] So you're like a people pleaser or you just want to be pleased?


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[Assistant] Okay, so, so you're working, uh, where, where, you're, you're,


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[Assistant] So blowing fire was no big deal to you at this time?


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[Assistant] I, uh, one time yeaah, I was on a date with a girl and we ended up having to go to a bar right after and we didn't realize it was a gay bar we went in. It was like the last half hour and, you know, I consider myself totally cool gay people but I did see like three fat guys that looked like Randy from Trailer Park Boys and they were in like a conga line, shirts off, super hairy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, you were saying that before, that your experience tattooing a lot of gay dudes are all fucked up Amali.


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[Assistant] But so wait, this is, let's talk, let's talk before we get more into your career, let's talk about, uh, people doing drugs to get tattooed. This is something that a lot of people seem to think, like, you shouldn't drink, you shouldn't do anything, but you obviously know plenty of people that they medicate in some form before they go get tattooed.


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[Assistant] Do you have a lot of guys coming in or super-pilled out and they're just fucking all lazy-eyed and retarded?


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[Assistant] That's how I met you is because Eli Quinners recommended that I get tattooed by you or Bob when I moved out to LA from Brooklyn.


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[Assistant] What is it about Bob's work that, uh, is still so relevant in your mind?


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[Assistant] But do you think that you're too close-minded about tattoos? That you have such a specific style that you prefer?


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[Assistant] So somebody comes in that says, you know, hey, I want to get tattooed and they have this idea that you do not agree with at all. How do you start explaining to them why a tattoo needs a dark outline and what it is about it that makes that so important?


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[Assistant] Is that one of the biggest like problems with the younger generation of tattoo artists is that they have their own opinions and they want to do things their own way and they're not willing to listen to the previous generation?


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[Assistant] Right. Do you think that you have a lot more reverence for the art form because of the fact that you're a classically trained artist and that you've actually studied art itself? Because there's a lot of people in the tattoo scene that just have complete tunnel vision where they've never been exposed to any sort of art besides tattooing, right?


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[Assistant] So what would you call your style of tattooing in comparison to theirs?


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[Assistant] But do you think a lot of tattoo artists, they have to go through a period of trying out all this kind of weird shit and experimenting and stuff before they're able to arrive at the sort of consensus that you've come to of what a tattoo should be?


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[Assistant] Do you have embarrassing tattoos that you did back in the day that you're not, that you're not, I thought, and what was the point where you sort of crossed the line where you could look back at all your tattoos past a certain point and say, alright, I knew what I was doing at this point.


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[Assistant] That actually is a question on my list. It says, have you ever had sex with a girl who is HIV positive?


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[Assistant] Was that a struggle for you at a certain point as a tattoo artist? You just felt like you didn't really...


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[Assistant] At what point in your career here did you end up going on tour with Fallout Boy for huge amounts of time?


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[Assistant] Oh, so you were doing tattoos on the road? Yeah. Is that enjoyable experience?


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[Assistant] And so they had to let, they had to let you off tour because they were just like, oh, you're a liability.


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[Assistant] What is it like getting ass as a tattoo artist? Is it like the easiest thing in the world?


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[Assistant] Right. There's so many reasons that being a tattoo artist is the perfect way to meet women.


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[Assistant] But you've, you hung out with girls that were in her social circle? Nicole Richie?


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[Assistant] I like that you're removed enough from the scene that you can tell it's like, that she's a buffoon. Yeah, they're not gonna talk to you.


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[Assistant] Before we move on, what's the craziest shit you ever saw on tour with Good Charlotte or whatever? Did you ever see anything that was absolutely mind-blowing?


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[Assistant] So, uh, can we tell the story about, uh, spitting vodka? Or, no, no, no, I'm not gonna describe that at all. I'm gonna say, can we talk about this time you had sex in a bathroom when you were 16 and the ridiculous, uh, circumstances that erupted as a result?


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[Assistant] But, but let's get into this story, because this story is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.


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[Assistant] She makes you wear a condom and she's kind of a bitch, you know? You're ruining part of the fun.


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[Assistant] It used to be a condom, now it's a cock ring. That's the worst thing to look down at, right?


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[Assistant] And did she recognize that there was something happening to her mouth? She was kind of confused.


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[Assistant] This is the weirdest thing I've ever heard. I don't even know what the follow up question should be.


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[Assistant] One time I fucked a girl in a bed full of cat piss by accident. It was not good at all. It was horrible. I have nothing good to say about it.


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[Assistant] Can you give me another, give me one more good, the most fucked up thing that like comes to mind, the craziest shit you ever did in terms of party and sex stories. Let's get one more out of the way, because we're almost an hour in.


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[Assistant] Well 500 pounds, I mean that's really, that's above and beyond.


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[Assistant] Uh, are you out of the uh, the porn star game at this point in your career? Are you done with that type?


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[Assistant] Okay, so what's- do you ever have like crazy ass porn star experiences? I mean-