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[Assistant] Or even die from hunger and tiredness. Because I was given only a little time each day to eat and sleep.


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[Assistant] When the farmer saw that I had become thin and weak, he began to worry that I would soon die.


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[Assistant] Still, he would not let me rest. The richer he became, the crueler and greedier he became. He wanted to make the most money he could from my performances before I died. I did not know when my work would finally end, and I was afraid that I would not live much longer.


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[Assistant] Mark, thanks. Time then to get the perspective on the Polish government. And earlier I spoke to Poland's Deputy Foreign Minister Marcin Śydacz, and I asked him how many people he believed were now amassed on that border.


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[Assistant] How dangerous is it currently? Do you, do you think that migrants are being encouraged now to storm the fence across the border?


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[Assistant] The aggression perhaps comes from both sides. President Putin has accused Polish forces of beating migrants, of firing rounds above their heads, flashing lights and sirens, uh, in their eyes and ears, said it doesn't tie in with the ideas of humanity, uh, espoused by the ideals of their Western neighbor. What's your response to him?


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[Assistant] But Minister, you could have avoided this whole situation if you had called on Frontex, if you had been prepared to call in the border agency for migrants and asylum. Why didn't you?


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[Assistant] Can you be more concrete? Because we know that your Prime Minister has asked for actual steps from NATO. What are those? Is it more troops? Is it more money? What do you need?


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[Assistant] You have to pick your friends, because last month we were reporting on the spat between Poland and the EU over the judiciary, over the failure, as the EU saw it to recognise their laws. Now you turn around, you're asking for help. Some will say you can't have it both ways.


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[Assistant] Our earth holds clues to the immensity of time.


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[Assistant] From its ancient beginnings and violent past, the earth has revolutionized how we understand time.


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[Assistant] Time is more vast than we ever imagined. And that's raising new questions about our ancestral roots.


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[Assistant] About our connection to life's oldest secrets.


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[Assistant] Our earth is revealing our place in time and ultimately our future.


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[Assistant] Our whole world is shaped by time in ways that are often hidden from us.


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[Assistant] We know that time stretches into a past that existed before we were born.


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[Assistant] We can also imagine it rolling on into a future long after we're gone.


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[Assistant] Answers to these questions are now fundamentally changing our sense of who we are and even what it means to be human.


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[Assistant] In this program, I'm going to explore the huge scale of earth time. It's beginning and it's end and our place within it.


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[Assistant] On a rugged cliff of granite in South Dakota, stonemasons risk life and limb to create something unique.


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[Assistant] But it's also a monument to a uniquely human sense of time.


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[Assistant] One that allows us to imagine a future beyond our own lives.


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[Assistant] Ruth Jilkowski is in charge of the carving. This is her life's work.


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[Assistant] Ruth's faith in a future that stretches far, far beyond her own life is shared by three generations.


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[Assistant] Monique, a sculptor, is one of Ruth's seven children.


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[Assistant] The family is continuing the work of Ruth's husband, Korzak.


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[Assistant] In 1940, the young sculptor was invited by Standing Bear, chief of the Lakota, to create a fitting memorial to Crazy Horse, their great warrior leader.


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[Assistant] Korsak accepted the challenge and set to work with little more than a jackhammer and a monumental ambition.


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[Assistant] Korsak kept carving away the mountain till his death in 1982.


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[Assistant] But it's only recently, 50 years since Korzak began work, that Crazy Horse's huge 90-foot face is complete.


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[Assistant] It's anybody's guess exactly when the sculpture will be finished.


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[Assistant] Korzak's vision reflects a deep and fundamental human belief.


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[Assistant] That time exists far beyond our own experience.


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[Assistant] Such legacies rely on a uniquely human concept of time.


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[Assistant] Our monuments testify to a certainty that time will always continue onwards.


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[Assistant] It stretches forwards into an unknowable future.


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[Assistant] And back into a dim and distant past.


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[Assistant] Our knowledge of time lies at the very heart of our humanity. We learn from the past. We pass on that wisdom to the future. That's been the bedrock of our civilization.


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[Assistant] The relentless march of progress. The world we live in today.


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[Assistant] All that rests upon the accumulation of thousands of years of time.


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[Assistant] On the wall of Einstein's office, he used to keep photographs of all his predecessors to remind himself of the great debt that he owed them.


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[Assistant] In other words, we all stand on the shoulders of giants. There's no Shakespeare without classical Greece. There's no Einstein without Newton. There are no skyscrapers without the skill of generations of builders going back to the dawn of history.


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[Assistant] This awareness that time stretches into a distant past has driven us for thousands of years to ask one of the greatest questions of humanity.


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[Assistant] In the 17th century, an Archbishop from Dublin decided to find out.


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[Assistant] For James Usher, the beginning of time was the moment of God's creation of the earth, the heavens and all of humanity. So he started with the Old Testament.


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[Assistant] But at the end of the Old Testament, the family trees run out.


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[Assistant] Between that and the birth of Christ, there was a gaping hole in history.


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[Assistant] Thank you very much for coming on the Monks podcast. This is the first time we are having two senior guests together.


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[Assistant] So if I don't, I'm not able to conduct it so well, please excuse me.


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[Assistant] He liked our podcast and he has put it on his channel also. So lot of people are liking it. So thank you very much for coming again.


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[Assistant] We discuss the kind of issues that we might normally not discuss in normal ISKCON classes.


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[Assistant] So we could discuss something more about the intersection of the emotional and the spiritual in some areas of bhakti, but can you maybe tell us a little bit about


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[Assistant] I was a part of a social welfare organization where I would go to slums.


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[Assistant] You, you have any thoughts to share on this, both aspect of compassion and uh, both chaplaincy?


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[Assistant] We could say articulate or come down on a subject that could build on what we have discussed till now. So, you know, I think since you mentioned that topic of being with those children with the burns and what you cannot tell them about Karma at that time.


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[Assistant] If I may confess, after I became a brahmachari, I was a typical hard-line brahmachari and then my father had eye surgery. So I was not ready to go home at all.


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[Assistant] Instead of like being somewhat supportive of him.


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[Assistant] And many years later when I look back, I feel embarrassed. I apologize to my father afterwards. And he of course is very kind. He forgave me.


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[Assistant] But when he is in a hospital bed, I realized how stupid I was, but I was thinking I was doing the right thing. I am practicing bhakti and I am transcendental. I am not saying I am transcendental, but I am on the transcendental path. So, I have been guilty of this myself.


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[Assistant] How did you address that issue or did you speak to those children or what did you do at that time?


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[Assistant] My god, this is like a floodgate we have opened up. So many points over here.


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[Assistant] So what you said is what people need to hear is that they are unconditionally loud but we can't give them that message because we are too caught in


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[Assistant] Following our rules and judging people, judging ourselves as well as others based on the rules.


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[Assistant] We not come off as very loving to others, but then we might ourselves not feel loved by Krishna.


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[Assistant] Because if you start thinking that, you know, I have to earn that love by following the rules.


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[Assistant] But it's not by the rules we earn love for, earn that love for Krishna.


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[Assistant] Krishna consciousness does have significantly more rules than most religions. So could it be there is one devotee or one friend of mine.


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[Assistant] But maybe he met somebody like that. Definitely we are, we are religious and spiritual. But could it be that, you know, in following our religion, we get so caught that we


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[Assistant] There is both our practices and our beliefs, our philosophy.


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[Assistant] So we rate people based on what they are practicing.


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[Assistant] And we rate people based on their beliefs.


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[Assistant] We will not find the love and we will not come off as very loving to others also. Yeah.


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[Assistant] It's amazing you talk about emotions as sources of information. Now one of the things I talk about is that how the body, mind and soul are three distinct levels of reality.


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[Assistant] If, uh, if I might just add something to this, that if I have some small sensation of some discomfort in my back, okay, it's there. It already goes away.


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[Assistant] But if it's like a constant pattern and nagging and severe, then I have to pay attention and fix something. So maybe we could say the same about emotions.


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[Assistant] And then we have to also do the hard work of processing our emotions.


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[Assistant] And uh, that can be painful because confronting unresolved issues. So on one side.


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[Assistant] So quite often what I notice is in our classes,


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[Assistant] Feeling bad about ourselves rather than feeling, feeling loved by Krishna.


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[Assistant] Another side is that if we try to confront our emotions and there are uncomfortable emotions, that can also make us feel bad about ourselves. So how important is it?


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[Assistant] You know, just one experiment I did once after hearing this before I can move to you. Just, you know, in the class once I asked, does Krishna love his devotees? So everybody said yes. Then I asked, does Krishna love you?


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[Assistant] It's like, yea, Krishna loves his devotees, but then, am I that devotee who Krishna loves? So, in that sense, there is a significant difference. So, this is just vindicating what you have said.


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[Assistant] Devotees may not feel loved because we have shame, because we can't communicate with others, because we don't even know what love is. And those are the reasons, isn't it? Yeaah.


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[Assistant] And then accepting others and accepting ourselves. But to some extent,


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[Assistant] Humility and honesty can actually make us feel uncomfortable, isn't it? I am not where I am and I have all these problems.


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[Assistant] So if we are thinking of, so this is my earlier question, do we need to say feel good about ourselves?


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[Assistant] And then if you are doing emotionally confronting ourselves, then that is not really a very pleasant feeling. So how important is it for a devotee to


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[Assistant] To feel good about themselves and how does the devotee get that if it is necessary?


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[Assistant] So one of the main ways we can actually feel loved is through association and humility and honesty.


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[Assistant] So that we can, so we don't, as you said, mental health problems are caused by isolation and loneliness. So we could say humility and honesty are meant to break down those walls of isolation and loneliness.


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[Assistant] But there is a hole at the emotional level which you are left as it is.


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[Assistant] Okay, I'll put that in the description also of the YouTube.


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[Assistant] But you know, we went over a lot of directions, so I will make an attempt.


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[Assistant] So then the point which you said we can bring out at that time is, be allowed unconditionally. And that aspect we will elaborate in various ways.


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[Assistant] We talk about how we should love Krishna and how we are not so good at loving Krishna. But we don't talk so much about how much Krishna loves us and that.


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[Assistant] That's one source of why devotees may feel bad and then also we discussed about at that time.


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[Assistant] We may get so caught in following rules, like my friend, he said that you seem to be more religious than spiritual, that if we get too caught in following rules,


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[Assistant] Then we are not finding love, we are not feeling love and we are not offering love to others.


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[Assistant] And the rules are a aid in that, not a, you shouldn't get too caught in that otherwise. And you explain how each of these rules is actually meant for finding love. And then within that, we discussed also about the point that when we are, when we have to scrutinize ourselves, at one level it is uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] But at another level, we might use the word spiritual, spiritual bypass.


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[Assistant] That we may not completely be out of touch of our emotions and we may be going on with our bhakti but then eventually there will be a crash. Like we had maybe senior leaders also having difficulties.


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[Assistant] So to understand what is the emotion to get in touch with that, that also requires some


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[Assistant] And one reason why devotees may feel unlawed, that was a major part of the discussion is that we don't have caring communities.


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[Assistant] And then gradually we open and you have helped create some communities for that purpose. And then you discussed about how as devotees we encounter a lot of judging people who judge.


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[Assistant] Comes primarily through the community of devotees and then you said even something as light hearted as humor for those who are the top most leaders.


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[Assistant] That actually, they like it because they don't have any places to do that and people may think that this is not who they are but it is very profound that we are


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[Assistant] We will be sanyasis for a short time but we are human beings at all time.


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[Assistant] We talk about being holistic but we include the soul but we leave out the mind and the emotions.


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[Assistant] And if it is causing some kind of disruption or in other walks of our life.


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[Assistant] Hopefully future devotees like you are also creating resources by which devotees can heal, can be emotionally healed.


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[Assistant] So we need to be at least available as human beings, even if we are silent and available, that can help them in healing. And then gradually, uh, we can, we can connect with each other and connect with people at a deeper level. So these are a few points. I think we spoke a lot more, but I just tried to speak a few.


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[Assistant] So often we think of that as defeating the ideology of impersonalism. But it can also apply to ending impersonal behaviour.


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[Assistant] Actually, I don't know, I got so many ideas for articles through this talk and I hope that we can have this Sangha more in future.


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[Assistant] And there's so many issues we could discuss. Thank you both for sparing your time and sharing your wisdom so generously.


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[Assistant] Thank you Ramburi Mataji for coming for the first time and thank you Aritma Prabhu for coming again and facilitating this freeway association.


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[Assistant] I had begun to feel the same about the Morlocks as the Eloys felt. I found their appearance rather disgusting.


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[Assistant] The color of their skin reminded me of the little white worms we used to examine in school.


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[Assistant] I even began to have feelings of fear which prevented me from sleeping well at night.


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[Assistant] For this reason, I let Weena sleep with the others, which made both of us more comfortable. Sitting up, unable to sleep.


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[Assistant] I looked at the moon and noticed that it was less bright tonight than before.


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[Assistant] It worried me to think what might happen later in the week as the nights became darker.


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[Assistant] The Moorlocks would surely find this to their advantage.


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[Assistant] And come out in increasingly larger numbers.


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[Assistant] As horrible as the thought was, I knew that in order to get my time machine back, I would have to go underground.


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[Assistant] If only I had had a partner, a fellow time traveler, to accompany me, I would have been much less afraid.


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[Assistant] Imagining myself climbing down into the darkness alone made my whole body shake and shiver.


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[Assistant] My discomfort with this idea made me avoid the holes the next day, and I wandered farther than ever from the village to see what I might find.


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[Assistant] Towards the end of the day's exploration, I saw in the distance a building much larger than all the others.


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[Assistant] Because of its light green color and curved rooftop, it seemed almost Chinese in design.


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[Assistant] I wondered what the purpose of this building could be and planned to investigate it directly, but seeing how late it was getting, I decided to wait until the following day.


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[Assistant] It was just another way to continue to avoid doing what I knew I had to do. No, I would not return to the Southwest today. It was time for me to go underground.


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[Assistant] Taking Weena with me, I walked up the hill to the large ruined building I had found on the day I arrived in this world. The entire way up, Weena danced and sang.


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[Assistant] But when we arrived at the well and she noticed my great interest in it, her happiness quickly disappeared.


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[Assistant] But I took this as an opportunity to get over my fear and quickly climb down.


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[Assistant] I grabbed onto the metal bars that lined the hole from top to bottom and proceeded downward, looking up toward the sunlight


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[Assistant] I saw Weena's face looking down at me in horrible fear. She began to cry.


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[Assistant] Soon the sunlight from above no longer reached me and I was surrounded in darkness. The hole seemed as though it had no bottom.


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[Assistant] And my body ached from the difficulty of the climb.


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[Assistant] I stop to catch my breath and rest my arms and back.


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[Assistant] However, in doing so, the metal bar I held onto started to break from the wall, and soon I found myself hanging by one arm.


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[Assistant] With my feet I quickly caught hold of a lower bar and immediately started moving downward again. From then on,


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[Assistant] I told myself that there would be no more at resting, no matter how much pain I felt.


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[Assistant] For it appeared that this ladder had been designed for use by something much lighter than I was.


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[Assistant] Looking up, the top of the hole had become a small blue circle, and I was glad to see that Weena was no longer there.


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[Assistant] The hole seemed to go on forever below me.


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[Assistant] However, just as I started to doubt my ability to make it to the bottom, I found no metal bar to step on.


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[Assistant] Feeling around a little with my feet, I realized that there was a large hole in the wall.


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[Assistant] I climbed into it and discovered a long narrow passage.


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[Assistant] Although the passage should have frightened me a little, because it made it more possible that I would meet a Morlock,


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[Assistant] I was happy to have the opportunity to rest my aching body.


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[Assistant] The noise of the machinery had grown quite loud this far down.


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[Assistant] And the darkness now robbed me of all sight.


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[Assistant] I was nervous, but I was also very weak from the climb and my arms and legs shook from the effort.


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[Assistant] I needed to lie down for a while and get my strength back, for if I continued on now,


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[Assistant] I found that there was no difference in my eyes being opened or closed. So dark it was down there.


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[Assistant] Soon my eyes grew heavy and within minutes I was fast asleep. It is hard to say how long I lay there.


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[Assistant] I would probably have slept for quite a while longer if I had not felt the touch of a small hand on my face.


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[Assistant] Quickly, I reached into my pockets for the matches.


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[Assistant] I struggled to quickly light one and as soon as I had succeeded


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[Assistant] It was not from fear that they reacted this way, but rather like many animals of the underworld.


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[Assistant] They were used to living in complete darkness so their eyes were extremely sensitive to even the smallest amount of light.


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[Assistant] It seemed that this small amount of light made it impossible for them to find me.


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[Assistant] All that I could see of them now were their glowing eyes looking back at me from far off down the passageway.


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[Assistant] They seem to speak a different language entirely. For after calling out to them in the language of the Eloi, I got no response.


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[Assistant] I thought about escaping back up the hole, but calmed myself, saying, You have come this far. You cannot turn back now.


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[Assistant] As I walked farther down the tunnel, the sound of the machinery grew louder.


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[Assistant] Moments later, I found myself inside a large room, so large that I could not see it clearly, for my match gave off too little light.


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[Assistant] I could barely make out the large shadows of what appeared to be loudly operating machinery


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[Assistant] Walking slowly forward, I became aware of the strong smell of fresh blood in the air, and at the same time, a metal table came into view.


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[Assistant] There appeared to be a meal laid on top of the table.


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[Assistant] As I came closer, I realized that on the plates were rather large pieces of meat, and I wondered what animal could have provided the moorlocks with such portions.


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[Assistant] I had not seen any animals or pets above ground.


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[Assistant] There were no longer cows, pigs or lambs in this time. They had died off thousands of years ago.


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[Assistant] I assumed that this was the reason that the Eloi ate only fruit.


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[Assistant] However, seeing that the Morlocks ate meat, I wondered why there was this difference in diet between the two peoples.


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[Assistant] Then my match lost its flame, and I was again in pure darkness.


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[Assistant] Right away, I could hear the Morlocks beginning to move toward me.


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[Assistant] I had only my feet to run with, and four more matches.


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[Assistant] Suddenly, I felt a hand on my arm and then another on my face.


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[Assistant] I tried reaching for my box of matches and grabbed it just in time, for someone was trying to take them out of my pocket.


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[Assistant] From every direction came these disgusting creatures, pulling at my hair and my clothing.


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[Assistant] Because I could not get hold of the matches firmly, I shouted as loud as I could.


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[Assistant] This seemed to frighten the Morlocks a little, for they jumped away. But very soon, they came at me again.


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[Assistant] They were much less afraid than before, having realized how helpless I was.


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[Assistant] They took hold of me with much more strength than before. And I knew that I had no time to waste if I was to try and escape.


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[Assistant] I managed to light a match and tearing a sheet of paper from my little notepad, I was able to make an even larger flame.


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[Assistant] The Morlocks fell back quickly, and I took the opportunity to run back into the little passageway from which I had just come. However, as I ran, the flame died. And again, I could hear the sound of hundreds of feet, like a heavy rain, coming toward me at great speed.


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[Assistant] Several hands soon grabbed hold of my feet and were trying to pull me back out of the passage. I lit another match and shone it in their faces.


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[Assistant] The flame was almost to my fingers when I found myself at the end of the tunnel. Feeling blindly for the metal bars, I managed to grab hold of one.


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[Assistant] I kicked wildly at the enemy below and luckily freed myself.


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[Assistant] With all of my strength, I speedily climbed up the wall, forgetting how weak the bars were.


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[Assistant] And causing many of them to break off under my feet.


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[Assistant] However, this accident actually helped me to escape the moorlocks, because one of them, who had decided to brave the light above and chase after me, found no metal bars to hold onto and soon gave up. I climbed for what seemed like hours.


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[Assistant] But my fear overpowered my weakness and allowed me to get within a few meters of the top. But then, my pain caught up with me, almost preventing me from climbing further.


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[Assistant] My hands started to shake so much that I feared they could no longer hold on to anything. My head started to spin. I was about to lose consciousness at any moment.


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[Assistant] Somehow, I managed to climb those last few feet and pull myself out of the hole.


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[Assistant] Before falling on my face, I remember seeing Weena running toward me, crying with joy to see me still alive. And then, there was only darkness.


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[Assistant] It's the holy grail. Think of this. Mice and humans were 97% genetically identical. Mice lived 3 years, humans lived 100 years, and somewhere in that 3%,


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[Assistant] Of genes are regulators that determine the pace at which these two pretty similar organisms age.


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[Assistant] Now for the hard part. For the previous three chapters of this book, I've talked about the exciting, energizing stuff of work. Leading, finding great players and managing people into a winning team.


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[Assistant] But we all know that work is not a perpetual paradise. Work is more like a garden of Eden. Sometimes people have to be let go.


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[Assistant] That event, be it a firing for non-performance or a layoff for economic reasons, is awful, both for the person doing the casting out, and obviously, for the person being asked to leave.


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[Assistant] Most good managers find the actual deed incredibly difficult, feeling guilt and anxiety before and after.


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[Assistant] As for the person being let go, it can be the worst day of his or her career.


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[Assistant] For some, work has been their identity, their central routine, or second family and being forced to leave is kind of public death. For others, work may mean less emotionally


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[Assistant] But it is a financial necessity, and the prospect of unemployment is frightening.


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[Assistant] This chapter is about how to manage a parting of ways with as little pain and damage as possible.


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[Assistant] First, there are firings for integrity violations, be it stealing, lying, cheating, or any other form of ethical breach. Then, there are layoffs due to economic downturns. Finally, there are firings for non-performance.


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[Assistant] The last of these is the main focus of this chapter because those are the ones that usually turn into bitter messes. It doesn't have to be that way.


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[Assistant] The antidote is actually very straightforward. Managers need to accept that letting people go is not something to be avoided, delegated to HR, or done quickly with eyes closed. Instead, it is a process that must be fully owned, guided by two principles, no surprise and minimal humiliation.


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[Assistant] Integrity violations. These are no brainers. In such cases, you don't need to hesitate for a moment before firing someone or fret about it either. Just do it, and make sure the organization knows why, so that the consequences of breaking the rules are not lost on anyone.


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[Assistant] Layoffs due to the economy, and these are more complicated.


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[Assistant] Think of all the times you've turned on the angry news to see angry employees protesting outside the gates of a plant or the front door of an office building. Layoffs have just been announced and people are in shock. They feel as though a bomb has been dropped on them out of nowhere.


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[Assistant] You can bet the top team doesn't feel that way. They probably knew that layoffs were in the offing for months. The fact that everyone else didn't is really unconscionable.


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[Assistant] Every employee, not just the senior people, should know how a company is doing.


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[Assistant] Of course, financial information is not always that easy to get your hands on. If you were running a 10 person division of a conglomerate, for instance, you may have access to data about your business, but know little about how other businesses are performing.


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[Assistant] For most managers, the availability of financial data lies somewhere between these extremes. Your job is to get as much as you can and get it to your people as clearly and frequently as possible.


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[Assistant] That way, if layoffs must occur, at least people will have some level of preparation.


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[Assistant] Lots of companies scrambled frantically to hire technical gurus by the truckload.


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[Assistant] As the reality of e-commerce settled in, it quickly became obvious that this hiring had been excessive and some of the techies would have to go.


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[Assistant] Most managers in the situation had helped making their case, thanks to intensive media coverage of the industry's collapse.


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[Assistant] But open communication should be the order of the day, no matter what.


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[Assistant] Last year, at a Q&A session in Orlando, Florida, I was introduced to the audience by the owner and CEO of a New England-based consulting and training firm. Before the session, I asked her about her business. She told me it had taken a real hit after the internet bubble had burst.


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[Assistant] She'd had to lay off half of her 30 employees. I asked, how did it go? To which, to my surprise, she answered, incredibly well. My husband and I practiced open book management. Our employees knew everything about the state of our business. When the time came for the layoffs, people were sad, but they understood.


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[Assistant] Today, the business is flourishing, and many of the CEO's former employees have returned without bitterness.


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[Assistant] Needless to say, this is an ideal situation. The firm was small and it too benefited from coverage of the internet industry collapse.


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[Assistant] But even if your company is large and economic conditions are more vague, it always helps to have your cards on the table for employees to see in the event of a downturn.


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[Assistant] Fire rings for non-performance. Now for the most complex and delicate kind of firing, when an individual has to be let go because of poor performance.


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[Assistant] Earlier I used straight forward to apprise, to describe the no surprise minimal humiliation approach to these situations. I didn't mean to make it sound easy, because it's not.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, you learn how to fire on the job under the most stressful of circumstances. Nothing really prepares you. Managers don't sit around talking about how to do it and comparing notes.


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[Assistant] Which leaves you to your instincts. Maybe some people are born to fire as well. I know I wasn't. I did it for years and never got used to it.


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[Assistant] I was particularly bad at it in my early years as a manager.


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[Assistant] Sometimes people screw up so royally they deserve to be fired without much ado. I once had a manager in plastics who had to be let go after 90 days because while he had a resume loaded with prestigious degrees and was as charming as could be in chit chat, he was completely ineffective at every single task.


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[Assistant] She says that if her boss hadn't fired her, she would have fired herself.


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[Assistant] Usually, however, fire rings for non-performance aren't so black and white. There's lots more gray area about who did what and what went wrong to lead up to the finale.


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[Assistant] Because of that, there are three main ways that managers get firing wrong. Moving too fast, not using enough candor, and taking too long.


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[Assistant] For an example of the first dynamic, take the case of a friend of mine who ran a 60 person unit within a 300 employee company.


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[Assistant] The company had been growing and things were going well. It was privately held and had a family-like culture, meaning mediocre performance was generally tolerated in the name of congeniality.


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[Assistant] As with many small companies, performance reviews were generally informal events with lots of generic pleasantries.


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[Assistant] When my friend was promoted to the head of the unit, she soon realized that one of her chief lieutenants, the man in charge of distribution, whom I'll call Richard, was not up to the demands of the growing business.


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[Assistant] Richard's performance wasn't terrible, but it was pretty close. He regularly missed deadlines and seemed unable to handle increasingly complex logistics. My friend spoke to Richard several times about his shortcomings to no avail.


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[Assistant] The official dismissal meeting could not have gone worse. To say Richard was surprised is an understatement. He blew up in anger, shouting, You've gotta be crazy. We don't fire people at this company. And you were going to pay for this.


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[Assistant] He then stormed out, ran back to his office in another part of the building and called an impromptu meeting with his own eight person staff.


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[Assistant] Richard's circle of friends felt that he had been fired without enough warning and they complained that they no longer trusted the boss or the organization.


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[Assistant] It took my friend about three months to restore equilibrium and get her unit moving again.


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[Assistant] The second firing mistake is a variation of Richard's case, and it involves lack of candor and a misunderstanding about fairness.


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[Assistant] Say you've got an employee named Gail. She can't reach her sales quotas, and her coworkers really can't count on her for one reason or another. She's damaging the unit's performance and morale.


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[Assistant] But Gail's friendly to everyone, she tries hard, and she's been with the company for years. Every time you attempt to tell her how badly she's doing, she's so cheerful and oblivious that the conversation gets muddled. And you end up hiding your negative feelings behind a forced smile and a mixed message about working smarter.


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[Assistant] Then the situation reaches a crisis stage. Gail really screws up, and in a burst of impulsive anger, you fire her.


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[Assistant] She's shocked and starts to remind you of all the positive feedback you've given her over the years. You respond by coming up with a severance package that feels pretty rich to you, given how much she's underperformed.


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[Assistant] She hates the package. It's insulting, she says, and she gets angry.


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[Assistant] You get angry back because you can't believe she's angry. You feel she should be grateful that you've carried her for so long.


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[Assistant] The next thing you know, Gayle is gone from shocked to angry and bitter as she walks out the door.


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[Assistant] This may not be the last you hear of her. Think about the last time that you lost a promising hire or a potential customer. They might have been talking to Gale, who went out to become an ambassador against your company.


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[Assistant] Every employee who leaves goes on to represent your company. For the next 5, 10, or 20 years, they can badmouth or praise.


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[Assistant] In the most extreme cases, people fired take their anger public and few have become so-called whistleblowers. I say so-called because I've seen too many companies exposed wrongly by people seeking nothing more than revenge for a firing conducted by a manager who could have and should have done it better.


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[Assistant] Everyone knows a person is about to be fired, including the person himself, but the boss waits a long time to pull the trigger.


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[Assistant] The result is an enormous awkwardness in the office that can lead to a form of paralysis.


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[Assistant] I've seen the dead man walking effect more times than I care to remember. I can recall a staff meeting at headquarters when I was a division VP.


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[Assistant] About ten people there, including one of my peers, Steve, who had been consistently reporting bad results.


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[Assistant] Before the meeting even started, everyone already sensed that Steve was a goner. But once the meeting started, the discomfort got worse.


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[Assistant] The group's boss picked apart Steve's quarterly results and wouldn't allow him to open his mouth for a rebuttal. Steve could do nothing right. At the coffee break, everyone milled around, avoiding Steve as much as possible, and none of us could look him in the eye.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, it took about a year before Steve was let go.


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[Assistant] At every staff meeting, we watched in agony as the self confidence seeped out of him.


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[Assistant] You just knew that the people in Steve's businesses had to be crippled as they were undoubtedly seeing the same thing and were only waiting to find out who his replacement would be.


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[Assistant] The question, of course, is why do bosses allow the dead man walking effect to occur?


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[Assistant] But with a dead man situation, something more subtle is often going on.


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[Assistant] Bosses let an employee twist in the wind because they want the victim's peers to see. And figuratively speaking, sign off on the necessity of the firing decision.


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[Assistant] Richard, Gail, and Steve are examples of how firing goes wrong. How can you get it right?


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[Assistant] First, no surprises. You can take the surprise out of economic downturn layoffs with lots of financial information. But how do you take the surprise out of grey area non-performance firings?


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[Assistant] We've actually dealt with that question in the chapters preceding this one. In those discussing candor, differentiation, and good people management practices.


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[Assistant] In particular, the answer lies in using a rigorous evaluation system with its regular formal and informal reviews.


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[Assistant] Very simply, a good performance evaluation process informs and prepares people in the fairest, most open way that I know.


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[Assistant] If people know where they stand, in fact, a firing actually never happens. Instead, when things are not working out, eventually there is a mutual understanding that it's time to part ways.


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[Assistant] In this kind of environment, where the employee is doing okay, but not quite what you want, it can take a couple of years for the end game to be clear to everyone.


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[Assistant] Over that time period, there will be many candid conversations about performance and career goals.


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[Assistant] The possibility of parting ways will have been raised and discussed openly


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[Assistant] In the ideal situation, the last conversation you will have will go something like this.


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[Assistant] Yes, I suppose I do. What are your thoughts on timing and what's the deal?


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[Assistant] Hey, I've got a great job offer and I think I'm going to go for it. What do you think?


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[Assistant] Boss, what a great career move for you. I think that you should take it.


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[Assistant] These kinds of partings are rarely acrimonious, and surprise is the last thing anyone feels. Cases like Richard, Gail, and Steve can never be eliminated entirely, but with candid and consistent evaluation processes in place, they can become less and less common every year. Second, minimize humiliation.


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[Assistant] To take the stinging embarrassment out of a firing, you first have to understand the emotional timeline of the experience.


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[Assistant] For the boss, the timeline begins long before the actual event. In preparing for it, you feel nervous, frustrated, and anguished.


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[Assistant] For weeks, you lose sleep, rehearsing how it will go.


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[Assistant] You talk to your spouse or your best friend about the situation to help get your nerve up.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, your employee is scared, but from my experience, usually optimistic until the end. Denial is the operative emotion. Most people walk into termination meetings hoping against hope that this isn't the day, a feeling usually mixed with gut-wrenching fear. So when the day finally comes, and you sit down,


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[Assistant] It's over, you think? I did it kindly and I said nice things. The package is fair. Phew! At least I can get on to other work, including hiring someone great to fill the soon to be vacant spot.


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[Assistant] You go home feeling that a terrible weight is finally off your shoulders. Dinner that night tastes better than it has in awhile.


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[Assistant] If you've done everything right, he won't be surprised, but they could still be feeling terribly sad and hurt.


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[Assistant] The next day at work is when you must start to act against your instincts. Yes, the employee has done a poor job. And yes, they have taken up a disproportionate amount of your time and energy already.


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[Assistant] Build up their self-confidence. Coach. Let them know that there is a good job out there where their skills are a better match. You may even help them find that job. Your goal for the fired employee is a soft landing wherever they go.


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[Assistant] A firing may take an hour, but someone's departure can take six months. You'll save a lot of pain and preserve a lot of pride if you don't rush it.


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[Assistant] The unfortunate reality is, firings are a part of business. But that doesn't mean that they have to end up as the bitter messes they often do.


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[Assistant] The legacy of firing lasts a long time. For you, your company, and most of all, the person who has been fired.


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[Assistant] Obviously, if your company is collapsing, you can't handle layoffs with kid gloves. And if someone has an integrity violation, you need to kick that person out the door. And fast.


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[Assistant] I'm afraid I didn't even know that Roxy was married. Roxy? Mrs. Hart. She was a client of ours in a way of speaking, but we were never able to place her.


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[Assistant] What particular talent was she peddling? She described herself, I believe, as a dancer. I don't believe it.


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[Assistant] Round of applause for the great saint thank tank. Appreciate y'all joining me for this episode of the show. Much love to the fam.


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[Assistant] Man, I'm fired up. We get a couple of weeks off from the start of.


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[Assistant] Training camp for Black and Gold as the Saints today announced the schedule for the 2023 training camp.


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[Assistant] Uh, we have been this thing, man. So we'll go over this right here and talk about this today. And of course this barred and open up some things about the training camp. I know I've been talking about over the last several.


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[Assistant] Uh, shows about doing a show talking about some of the X factors.


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[Assistant] Going into training camp, but guess what? This is the show. This is the show we're going to talk about.


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[Assistant] Anyway, uh, let's get right off into it fam. Let me give you all a shout out. Thanks to all the Dahoids in the building, the great Saint Tank Tank, the best in the business. Much love to you guys. Appreciate y'all being in the live stream.


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[Assistant] Please do me a service as I always say, please feel free to hit the like button, hit the subscribe button, and feel free to share the show on your social media feed. In Saints groups, we love y'all guys, we appreciate all the great stuff y'all do. And we about plan it forward man, for real man, as you're gonna see in the next couple of weeks, we got some announcements.


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[Assistant] That's coming out, man, and it's all because of the love and I'm telling you, man, that's how you're supposed to live. So anyway, with that being said, man, let's move forward into the show announcement of the training camp, man. And let's just go into a report here and hear directly from the horse's mouth. Here we go.


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[Assistant] Alright, that's some of the report covering some of the news from the Saints practices as well. And I happened to pass over that I was driving past there the other day and I seen they got the bleachers set up. They got a new set up I guess they're gonna do there as well. So, you know, uh, it's very exciting for the Saints. We're getting ready to get into the season. And remember,


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[Assistant] A lot of excitement is rolling around, man. It's very positive because a lot of people expecting


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[Assistant] The type of money they spent and the things that they added to the team.


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[Assistant] A lot of people are looking at the black and golden saying, man, it's time for the saints to pay dividends in a major way. So, and it does, it starts, man, it started during the mini camps and I'm pretty sure that the saints, a lot of the big names are working behind the scenes, man, getting the camaraderie, getting ready for.


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[Assistant] The start of this season. So we talked about and covered it on Elvin Kamara.


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[Assistant] What he had going on with him, we talked about and covered that on another stream. So it'll be interesting to see exactly how the Saints go moving into this thing, but training camp is getting ready to roll, man. So you guys seen the, uh, the.


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[Assistant] You know, let's talk about some of this, man, and moving forward into the season. And this is spurred by, uh, Bob's article.


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[Assistant] About the Saints most, uh, most underrated season additions now. I'll give you, show you what he kind of, some of the people he thrown out there.


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[Assistant] Uh, in the active off season for the Saints, the two additions have flown under the radar, but could be crucial to the team. And he covers just a few of those guys. And we talk about some of the additions here moving forward, which kind of spurred me to think, think about what happens with the Saints moving forward and who could be some of their game changers or X factors into the season or guys.


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[Assistant] As we get into it, a lot of excitement around the Saints. They approached the upcoming season team will, you know, entirely, you know, we'll have an entirely new look in certain spots at the aggressive free agency period.


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[Assistant] All right, so the difference, so, and of course you talk about New Orleans success hinges on how well card plays.


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[Assistant] But he won't be the only new face wearing the Florida Leaf this upcoming season.


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[Assistant] The X factors will get into it. Running back finally has some depth. We talked about this on the previous stream. Gamarro, the thousand yard rusher. Jamal Williams behind him. Rookie, third round pick. Kendre Miller. The defensive line will have a new look at after adding four players, including some revamped people at the defensive tackle positions. Other than Carr, people will be paying a lot of attention to the team's top draft picks. Brian Brici and Isaiah Foskey.


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[Assistant] So many new faces and other important players returning.


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[Assistant] From injury, there are a few key additions that have gone under the radar.


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[Assistant] Bob talks about here are two new Saints players that few people are talking about.


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[Assistant] That'll be critical to the success of the team foster Monroe who fought off cancer to make it to the saints. You want to talk about a guy.


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[Assistant] That is, that is going to have some, listen, even though Foster Morrow was a late, uh, season acquisition, the Saints were already always interested in him and he was interested with the Saints.


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[Assistant] Awesome pick up by the Saints to bring, bring Foster Monroe here.


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[Assistant] Uh, to act as a security blanket for Derek Carr along with Jawan Johnson.


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[Assistant] As at number two, tight end with Darren Waller. Moreau had 91 catches.


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[Assistant] Over 1100 yards, 12 touchdowns. That includes a career high, 33 catches, 420.


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[Assistant] Yes, capable of short and intermediate pass catching, catches the ball really well. The speed to make plays down the seam. He did have some drops like, uh, the last year too as well.


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[Assistant] His size gives him the advantage over most defensive backs often forcing opponents to use athletic linebackers on him in coverage. He's sneaky man.


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[Assistant] He ain't beating you down the block, but he ain't no chump either.


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[Assistant] So Morrow gave his car a reliable, immediate, intermediate security blanket for four years, but the Raiders expect him to do the same with the Saints over his 33 catches and 22.


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[Assistant] It's a very, it's a very, it's another one of those things. We talk about underrated signings. Jamal Williams to me, even though a lot of people see him, that will be in.


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[Assistant] I guess I can term it as an impact signing. You see what I'm saying? When the season is over with, you gonna hear that.


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[Assistant] Impact signing, impact signing, that type of thing. So that's going to be cool to see how all that twists and turns as we move forward. So anyway, false moral president also allow the saints to do more creative in creative ways.


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[Assistant] I'm just going to keep it real deal with you. The Saints tight end room is, is, is there are three types of tight ends. If you want to call a taste to be able to tight end. You got Jawan Johnson, who's not your traditional tight end.


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[Assistant] You know, he's a guy that can be moved offline, you know, off the offensive line. He could be spread out. You know, he's a former wide receiver.


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[Assistant] That blocks really well, that catches well, he's a red zone threat as well, and he's, he's improved. And I expect him to keep improving. And fall some more rules, your traditional style tight end.


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[Assistant] Who comes here, he's good. He had several years.


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[Assistant] of, uh, of playing for the Raiders. He's very familiar with Derek Carr and what Derek Carr's tendencies are on the football field.


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[Assistant] So he's interesting as more of a traditional looking tight end and then take some heel is anything but that.


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[Assistant] Taysom Hill is not a tight end, even though we call him a tight end, he's everything else. And it's interesting to see just how Taysom Hill.


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[Assistant] Uh, we'll fit in what the sinks are doing. We'll see, but it's the most unique tight end room.


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[Assistant] It's the most unique tight end room that we've seen in some time. And of course, don't forget they still have Jesse James that they added to the team, who's just a big lumbering tight end, uh, who, you know, can help out in the red zone. He's there. Uh, Lucas Crawl is also there.


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[Assistant] As well. So it's quite, it's quite a few things going on there with the Saint's Titan room. So anyway, let's move on to the next one right here as we talk about, uh, after he gave that out.


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[Assistant] Nate Sheppard, the big defensive tackle. Now Nate Sheppard was a guy we kind of looked at. We thought Nate Sheppard was.


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[Assistant] Uh, a guy that we thought was gonna be the start. I was like, uh, I think he's gonna be more of a rotational guy.


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[Assistant] And ultimately you'll probably see Kaelin Saunders, Big Saunders as you like the name of Big Saunders.


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[Assistant] And, uh, Brian Brees eventually be the starting guy with Nate Shepard in the rotation. That is pretty cool rotation there, but he's brought on to the team.


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[Assistant] Not much fanfare about Nate Shepard as much as it is with Kaelin Saunders, but New Orleans needed to retool the defensive tackle position after they greatly disappointed the last couple of years, especially after losing David Onyemata, Shai Tuttle, and Kentavia Street.


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[Assistant] In free agency, the Saints responded by adding free agent tackles, Caelan, Saunders, and Shepherd.


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[Assistant] Using their first round choice, uh, on Clemson defensive tackle Brian Bresie.


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[Assistant] Over each of the five seasons he's played. He's been an integral part of the highly ranked Jets defense back in 2022.


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[Assistant] Contributing a sack and a half, seven pressures and four tackles for a loss in 417 defensive snaps, the second highest of his career. He's 6'4, 315 pounds, 29 year old shepherd.


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[Assistant] Is explosive off the snap. He's been graded much higher as a rotational pass rusher.


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[Assistant] The last two years then against the run. However, he's also proved himself.


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[Assistant] To be a capable run defender for the Jets unit that ranked fourth overall in 2022. The New Orleans Saints defensive tackle were abysmal last year. The position contributed to 14 and a half of the team's 94 sacks the last two years and was primarily responsible for deployment to 24th against the run back in 2022. Now Nate Shepard will be an integral part of the interior rotation for the Saints this season.


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[Assistant] He's playing, he's playing time versus Breezy and Sanders will be dependent on his ability to stop the run. And of course, pass rush disruption. On paper, the trio looks stronger than what New Orleans had had in the last two campaigns. Now, granted, there is a lot of stuff that we can talk about here when you get down to the brass tacks about


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[Assistant] Uh, the interior tackle position because yes, that wasn't definitely the in, in the Achilles heel.


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[Assistant] That hurt the saints last year, stopping the run. And then also, cause I'm a his, you know, I'm a great saint think tank historian along with uncle Paulie and the professor shout out to them. Uh, this is the thing.


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[Assistant] We knew last year a lot of the Saints was, despite the fact the secondary and the defensive line, the ends were firing off, getting sacks.


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[Assistant] The interior of the Sings defensive line was just, they were just not that good.


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[Assistant] And a lot of that, to my, in my perspective was done because of the inability of the Saints offense to keep the defense off the field.


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[Assistant] Like, it was a ridiculous amount of bull crap football by the Saints offense last year. A lot of bull crap football that required, that had the offenses going three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out, and putting the defense on the field. How many games did we see last year when the Saints defense, you know, their time of possession was ridiculous?


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[Assistant] They own the field for 30 plus minutes of the game, trying to stop the opposing offense from moving up and down the field, getting the ball back for the offense only for them to go through and out and put the defense back on the field. So eventually that because the offense did not handle its business.


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[Assistant] Was irresponsible and did not handle his business. Somebody


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[Assistant] So eventually you see certain parts of the Saints defense just start breaking down naturally.


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[Assistant] If we're gonna have good football, all three levels of the Saints.


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[Assistant] A team have to be good. They have to be successful at what they do.


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[Assistant] To have a total team that can take it to the big dance that can go far. That's the part of it. So each team has to carry its own water.


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[Assistant] The Saints offense in many of the games, that's why we finished seven and 10, did not carry the water. Somebody had to.


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[Assistant] And many last year the special teams and the Saints offense didn't carry the water the defense had to and eventually some, you know, breakdown is going to happen and some deterioration.


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[Assistant] Is going to happen and it happened in the center of the Saints defense. You know.


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[Assistant] But anyway, the Saints have made major splashes through underrated free agent signings in recent years. DiMario Davis in 2018 tops a list that includes


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[Assistant] Defensive tackle, Malcolm Brown defensive end to new passing you.


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[Assistant] All the success in 23 could depend on whether Foster Monroe and Nate Shepard add their names to the list. And Shepard is a guy, uh, that, that Bob's right, a lot of people, he, he, he called it correctly. A lot of guys underrated off season. We talk about guys like that, right? We talk about guys like that.


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[Assistant] Underrated, underrated guys and what they'll bring, uh, to the team. So.


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[Assistant] Anyway, let's move that into the seats that we talk about.


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[Assistant] Some of the free agent acquisitions as we talk about the saints, uh, camp and they getting ready to fire up camp.


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[Assistant] Let me take this opportunity now to move forward into and discuss which players, we're talking about players that will help impact the team.


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[Assistant] In terms of, let's say, or better yet, let's term it like this.


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[Assistant] X-factors. Guys that we're paying attention to. Now of course, I'm pulling out the names, the well-known names, okay?


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[Assistant] I'm pulling out the Jewine Johnsons, I'm pulling out the, you know, the bigger names, like you see a Kendre Miller or guys like that. We're talking about other guys.


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[Assistant] You know, the other guys outside of those guys, the guys that's in the rotation, you know, behind, you know, outside of the top three guys, you know, that we look, that's, that's the guys I'm looking at the guys outside of top three guys. Can those guys make a break and have it now? I can't.


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[Assistant] I was, eventually I'm going to have to do a full show where I cover a lot of them because I had rich, uh, initially I had 12 names and I had to kind of break it down.


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[Assistant] James Washington. Now remember, the Saints added a lot of wide receivers this year, right? They added a ton of wide receivers. You know, very interesting.


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[Assistant] Rum they added. We're going to talk about a couple of these guys because it's interesting.


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[Assistant] James Washington, I know we, we're gonna talk about some other ones, but James Washington to me is very interesting. The Saints picked his brother up, right? Picked him up. And of course, you know, you can see his player history right here. They got it, you know, neatly placed there about where he was. And, you know, prior to signing with the Saints back, uh, early in this free agency period,


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[Assistant] Or toward the middle or whatever, March, April. Back in May, late May, he signed with the Saints. And you can see prior to that, with Pittsburgh, he was with Dallas, was Dallas for, you know, about a year or so, he got waived in 23. And then the Giants picked him up and stayed there for a little bit. And then ultimately the Saints picked him up.


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[Assistant] Now, James Washington is still, uh, he's still a young player. He's 26 years of, 27, excuse me, years of age. He was a former, I think, second round draft pick by the Steelers. James Washington has a few injuries, but he can play.


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[Assistant] You know, I know he had some injuries. He was kind of banged up a little bit, but at the end of the day, James Washington is the player.


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[Assistant] That does add value to the saints. He's a veteran wide receiver with speed. He's not as fast as he was. He has some injuries, but he's still very dangerous. 5'10", 5'11", 213, 13 pounds. He gets down the field. He has a great set of hands. He runs decent routes and James Washington is a veteran. He done seen some stuff. So I'm not looking for, I'm not saying that he will be what he was back in 2018 or 2019 or what have you, but


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[Assistant] What does James Washington, he's a veteran wide receiver with speed and skill that comes to the Saints wide receiver. Anyway, the idea is like family members pushing a cue.


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[Assistant] During camp and I'm saying this guy could be an X factor. So going into camp, a few names just to keep an eye on.


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[Assistant] Going into camp, James Washington is one very smart signing by the Saints. It'll be interesting to see how James Washington does in the wide receiver room. We know our top three, but who are the other guys that can kind of make a name for themselves in that rotation? Could James Washington be a guy that helps him? So he's number another guy, no particular order.


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[Assistant] The next on the list is AT Parry. Now we know about AT Parry, the same selected AT Parry in the draft, uh, this year.


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[Assistant] And he's a big wide receiver, about 6'4", 200 plus pounds. He had what, uh, reported 12 to, or either, it was either 12 or 17 drops during his college career. And you go back and watch some of the drops. It's just him, not because he's garbage. It's just concentration drops. Like he's.


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[Assistant] Trying to move, he's trying to take off without catching the ball, you know, stuff like that. And then you see him.


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[Assistant] Catch difficulty, difficult passes. It's just a concentration thing. So not like AT Perry has.


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[Assistant] You know, uh, clumsy hands or whatnot. It's concentration drops. So he needs to kind of focus on staying there, getting the ball, then taking off. Cody Burns can help him with that.


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[Assistant] But you don't overlook the talent that A.T. Perry has. And this guy is very talented. He's another big wide receiver with speed that can help the Saints.


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[Assistant] Two-year starter, two-time first team all, uh, ACC, former high school basketball and long jumper. So he has a lot of skill that can help the team.


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[Assistant] Uh, moving forward, he's full, full five in the 40. So a big six, full wide receiver with full, full five speed, uh, can catch the ball.


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[Assistant] This is another guy we need to pay attention to because this could really help us, uh, in the wide receiver room. So I think really Trey, Trey Quan Smith, I'ma just go ahead and say it. Trey Quan Smith, by all indications, should, should be up out of here.


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[Assistant] I mean, uh, you got James Washington who's healthy, who's just good. Then you have AT Perry, a big fast wide receiver that, uh, that the Saints drafted that they're high on, you know,


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[Assistant] He's another weapon, a tall weapon, wood speed.


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[Assistant] That can be a red zone weapon and any difficult matchup for smaller cornerbacks.


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[Assistant] You know, so very competitive room. And then of course this guy here is one of the more ultimate.


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[Assistant] Boom a bus, I guess boom a bus prospects in so far as.


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[Assistant] Very intriguing. Six, five, six, six, some say six, six, six, five, 215 pounds, Shaq Davis out of South Carolina State.


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[Assistant] Film work on Shaq Davis, huge wide receiver, big catch radius.


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[Assistant] We talk about catch radius as we mentioned. I should have mentioned that with AT Parry, good catch radius, but you talk about a guy like Shaq Davis and what he brings to the forefront.


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[Assistant] Speed is one thing you talk about Shaq Davis, those long strides. He definitely needs work on his route running.


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[Assistant] But in terms of high pointing the ball and throwing the ball anywhere around him, kind of contorting his body to make grabs a big red zone weapon. He's raw, but has plenty of talent.


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[Assistant] So I don't know if I would factor him in like if Shaq Davis in the mixture with James Washington or A.T. Perry, you know?


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[Assistant] You know, Shaq comes from South Carolina state. So we'll see exactly how it all ferrets out.


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[Assistant] But A.T. Perry, looking at the film, is a little bit more developed than, uh, Shag Davis is. And James Washington is a vet, so there are different points. But Shag Davis is very intriguing, man.


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[Assistant] Very intriguing. And then when you look at him like when he's out there on the field, he's difficult to miss because he's the biggest, he's the biggest wide receiver you have. You know, he's basically like a basketball player.


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[Assistant] He's long and he's tall and he had these big long arms and he can catch the ball over you. So, you know, you can't, you, you won't be able to meet Shaq Davis. You won't be able to miss him out there.


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[Assistant] So three wide receivers to kinda keep an eye out on. We talked about James Washington, the veteran. How much more does he have? He's just 27 years old. Our newest draft pick, A.T. Perry, uh, coming into the fold. Pushed Trey Quine Smith out of here. Then Shag Davis, a guy, depending on how


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[Assistant] Ready Shaq Davis is we know eventually he'll be a practice choir guy. If that's the, you know, if he doesn't make the team or doesn't push.


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[Assistant] But it's serious competition in the wide receiver. I mean, it really is.


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[Assistant] And these are three different guys at three different levels. You got a veteran.


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[Assistant] You got a, a drafted rookie and a undrafted rookie. So all these guys are at different levels and that was make it so.


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[Assistant] To the wide receiver and ultimately when you talk about how many wide receivers do the Saints keep.


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[Assistant] That is, you know, we talk, we, we think it may be five wide receivers, perhaps the saints keep five. Well, you got three in there already.


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[Assistant] Then of course you have, who's the fourth wire receiver? Is it one of these men? Is it James Washington? Is it A.T. Perry?


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[Assistant] Return man type, which is Kiki Koti, Arlen Bowden Jr., who I'll be looking at.


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[Assistant] You know as well, so don't forget to throw Kirk Merritt in there too because he definitely wants to be in the mix any way he can be. Anyway.


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[Assistant] Let's move on to, cause I can keep talking about the wide receivers all day. How about this guy, draft pick, fourth round draft pick, Nick Seldivari.


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[Assistant] And that is what we focus on like in terms of the Saints looking into the future. They reworked Andrus Pete deal for that one year. And Andrus, you know, is pretty much look like he's going to be out of here after this year. Nick Seldiveri is lining up to be his replacement there. So.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting and intriguing and keeping an eye on Nick sell to vary because.


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[Assistant] I want Andrews to be healthy, but Nick Seldivari, man, it could be interesting. He might be a person that you might see in some role if injuries started to impact the Saints offensive line, but we know that.


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[Assistant] It could be stated that the Saints did pick up a lot of offensive linemen, veteran linemen that they can count on in a small stretch of games. Like say for instance, the top tackle.


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[Assistant] That you had last year, your swing offensive lineman is James Hurst, right? If somebody has an issue, James Hurst pops right on in.


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[Assistant] If, if, if we have a, somebody that struggles, like if something happens.


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[Assistant] At the guard position, does Nick Seldiveri jump over? Nah, I think either position, either guard position inside, that's James Hurst until Nick Seldiveri proves himself, right?


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[Assistant] And, and we proud, and on the way I would say if there's a guard issue.


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[Assistant] In the injury situation, without starters, you'll see Hurst before you see Nick Seldivari.


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[Assistant] And the only way I'm thinking you might see Nick Selda very, if there are multiple injuries to the offensive line and hers is somewhere else, then you see Selda very might be at a guard position. Say if there's an offensive.


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[Assistant] Uh, issue with one of the tackle positions. You could see Hearst at the tackle position.


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[Assistant] And then of course, if there's an issue at one of the guards, you can see Nick sell the very perhaps slide in at the guard position. So.


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[Assistant] Are we anticipating seeing Nick Seldivari in a role depending on how the Saints offensive line looks? So the Saints do have depth and they do have good veterans.


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[Assistant] We're talking about Billy Price at the center position. We're talking about Storm Norton. You're talking about James Hurst there.


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[Assistant] So, and then Nick Seldivari, we looking at Nick Seldivari being a guy that makes the squad as well. So that's four guys right there. Very competitive. But anyway, Nick Seldivari is an offensive lineman that, you know, I like a lot.


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[Assistant] And that's a guy you want to keep an eye on. There's a couple of other guys that I want to, that I want to throw at you.


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[Assistant] But we, you know, keep an eye on Nick Saldavera. I know he was dealing with some type of issue, uh, and the Saints kind of had him sitting off to the side. So we'll have to monitor where he is in terms of his injury situation.


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[Assistant] How, how is he doing? Because we know Dennis Allen did make mention of one guy that might not be starting training camp. He might not be there and he didn't, you know, relay who that guy was.


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[Assistant] So we don't know exactly who the hell the guy is. And I'm, I'm thinking it might be Nick Saldivari. So we'll see. Hopefully it's not. Hopefully whoever it is.


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[Assistant] You know, they make it, but Nick Seldar is the guy we have to look out for. But listen, Sinks have good offensive line. They're another one of our draft picks from this year.


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[Assistant] Next one now, this is going to the defensive side of things, Jaren Cage. Now listen. Saints rotation got tore up. Onyamada out. Uh, Shai Tuttle out.


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[Assistant] Cantavia street out. In is Kaelin Saunders. In is Nate Shepard. In is Brian Breesey. In is Malcolm Roach.


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[Assistant] Roche signed a one year deal to re-up with the Saints. He's the only thing they kept from last year, uh, in terms of, uh, who gave the interior rotation anything at all.


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[Assistant] This guy right here, Jaren Cage, we did film work on our Patreon channel looking at Jaren Cage.


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[Assistant] And Jaren Cage is a guy that you need to pay attention to. Let me tell you something. He flashes on film.


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[Assistant] He's big, 6'3", I say 6'2", I say 6'3", 300 plus pounds, that's real 5 more, that's real 5. But he doesn't move like, like, that's the...


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[Assistant] Sticking point for the Saints defensive line, like these massive guys, they're big, but they don't move like that. They don't move like big guys. They don't move like they're like Kaelin Saunders. He beats.


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[Assistant] And I think he surprises a lot of running backs because a lot of people don't believe that a guy that big should be that fast.


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[Assistant] But he is, he defies logic. But Jared Cage is another guy and hey, he's an Ohio state guy, just like Billy Price, the backup center. But this guy here could play, man. And listen.


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[Assistant] A guy that needs to be watching out for his job is Malcolm Roach. Jaren Cage, man, could take Malcolm Roach's job. He can. I like Roach a lot.


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[Assistant] Because Roach is athletic. He's energetic. I like him in the rotation.


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[Assistant] But Jaren Cage could be an issue and I've been saying that for a while.


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[Assistant] But this is another guy you need to watch out for. He's a defensive tackle buried in the Saints depth chart.


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[Assistant] We do know the sides, the top three guys these things have inside.


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[Assistant] Of their defensive line. There's still another guy they need to have there.


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[Assistant] It's going to be that interior guy. It will be smart to do that because right now passing you is right, should be rated as your fifth defensive end, right?


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[Assistant] Uh, Peyton Turner and then Isaiah Foskey and then Passanio. So the Saints ain't paying Passanio to be a fifth defensive end. If anything, he should be a, if he's a fifth defensive end on the Saints team, then more than likely he'll be maybe a fourth defensive tackle interior tackle, right? That's how I see it. So, you know, if those guys are moving around on defensive end position,


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[Assistant] Pasio switches inside at this stage of his career should help out, but Jaren Cage is a dude.


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[Assistant] That a undrafted guy has a chip on his shoulder, strong, has athleticism and is smart.


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[Assistant] Watch out for this dude, man. So I'm putting you, putting them on your radar.


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[Assistant] Another player we talk about as we head to the linebacker room is DeMarco Jackson. DeMarco Jackson is, looks like a football player. He is a football player.


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[Assistant] Uh, TSC Patreon special. We went on there and looked at DeMarco Jackson's Appalachian State.


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[Assistant] You get, you get familiar with them because remember you got banged up last year and missed all of last season. But you forget.


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[Assistant] He was a two and a half year starter when he played that second all American 21 in Sunbelt, defensive player of the year, two time first team Sunbelt. The dude is a player, man.


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[Assistant] The Saints pick him up in the fifth round out of Appalachian State, sideline to sideline. A lot of film shows, I think his, even though you consider more than the balance do.


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[Assistant] Demarco Jackson, you can see that he loves run support. Like he loves run blitz and he loves that. Dropping into coverage.


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[Assistant] Need a little work on that, but he does have the speed to move around.


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[Assistant] It'll be interesting to see where he fits in the Saints linebacker room moving forward, man, for real. But DeMarco Jackson obviously is a guy that we need to keep an eye out on going into the season.


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[Assistant] Three more family and this is Jordan Howden, another one of our draft picks from this year. Remember, Sakes picked up Howden and I was like watching the draft saying, man, what the hell is, why are you picking up a safety here? We know it.


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[Assistant] But when they signed all these guys, whether they were Jonathan Abram and you got Smoke Monday and all these guys.


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[Assistant] A lot of these guys are on one year deals. So Jordan Howden being drafted could represent being the future of the team.


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[Assistant] Now, we talk about Tyron Matthews at the back end of his career, even though he have several, he got a couple years left in him.


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[Assistant] Now that Elvin's stuff is out of the way, Marcus May has DUI situation that has yet to be, uh, grown to a head here that he'll have to deal with coming up soon. So he'll be missing some games. Who do we have to slide in there?


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[Assistant] And Jordan Howden is a guy that a lot of people, the Saints are really big on him. We did film work on Jordan Howden on TSC Patreon.


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[Assistant] He is a phenomenal player. Listen, one thing I love about Jordan Howden is he, he has the ability. He is smart. He knows how to dissect plays. He has the speed to get to where he needs to be. He can tackle. There's a lot of good footage show Jordan Howden.


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[Assistant] Making tackles out in the open, you know, in, in, in close and open territory when it's him and just to.


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[Assistant] And the wide receiver or the running back or whatever, he makes the tackle and bring them down in the open field when if he misses the tackle, they got a long run for a touchdown. Jordan Howden brings them guys down. Not only that.


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[Assistant] But when he sees an opportunity to go get an interception, he gets that damn interception. You know, he'll jump leap. And the thing I like about him is he has good hands for a defensive back. Cause the majority of the time when he goes for an interception, he gets it. When he gets his damn hands on that ball, it's a pick. And I just love his, his, uh, his, his vision and the potential of this kid. I really do.


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[Assistant] And I think this could be, this could be a very, in the future, this could be a very smart move because.


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[Assistant] The Saints spent a lot of money on their safeties and it's been a while since we drafted. You could talk about Marcus Williams, but there's been guy, you know, it's been a while since the Saints drafted and then he took Marcus high, but taking safeties like Howard and where they took him at.


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[Assistant] And it can be able to develop them into a potential starter. We'll see, but the kid has a lot of potential.


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[Assistant] I wanna watch him in the, uh, see how he looks in the training camp.


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[Assistant] All right. And we talked more of our picks and these, it goes down the line. Isaiah Foskey. What can I say about Isaiah Foskey that I haven't said before? This is the guy when we looked at the draft, we talked about it. This is the man that reminds us, uh, the most of Cam Jordan. The guy is a, a, a excellent, he has an excellent, excellent, um, uh,


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[Assistant] A focus on football, athleticism, got the sack gene. There's a few things that he got to work on. He got the size, about 6'5", 270-something pounds right now. He gained a little weight. And Isaiah Foskey is a guy that has the sack gene.


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[Assistant] Uh, teach him a few moves to add to what he got. Nazir Foskey knows how to sack the damn quarterback. That's one thing he does well. He knows how to get to the quarterback, sack the quarterback.


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[Assistant] Love what he brings to the team. So that's something we want to watch at Ozzy Fosky. I can't, I can talk about Ozzy Fosky for the next 30 minutes, man, or what we, but he has a like.


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[Assistant] You know, the cam, I call it the bright-eyed bushy.


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[Assistant] He's a player loaded with energy. Isaiah Fox, his eyes ain't bucking out like Cam's doing, but he still has that same infectious energy.


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[Assistant] That you know, this guy is a guy that could play football. And I think that was such a great move by the Saints, getting Isaiah Foskey because they understand, uh, before camp be looking alpha.


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[Assistant] So that's another move the saints will be reporting real soon and we'll be on that as well. But it was a smart move by the saints to get Isaiah Foskey, take Isaiah Foskey, bring him into the fold.


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[Assistant] For us, and the winners of this is the New Orleans Saints family base. We are the winners because we're going to see some young, athletic,


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[Assistant] Guys, the, the defensive ends, tan ass trying to compete with each other and they all gonna make each other better. And then finally, how can I leave without talking about Smoke Monday? A lot of people love Smoke Monday. It's potential.


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[Assistant] His hit ability, very physical safety, uh, great size on him, 6'2", 200 plus pounds on him. Uh, a lot of playing, he was a two year starter in Auburn, and he's a guy that can do a lot. And a lot of people like Smoke Monday, got the coolest name on the team. Is he the Smoke Monday or Storm Norton, right? But Smoke Monday is a, is a guy


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[Assistant] That is awesome, man. You know, I love how you play the game, but he's in a deep room. And once again, he was hurt last year.


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[Assistant] But what does he do this year? Can Smoke Monday make some noise for him, Smell? Could he bring the smoke?


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[Assistant] You know, could he draw up smoke signals there to kinda let people know he's there?


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[Assistant] All time will tell on that. So anyway, but that's a few of the people, just a few that I wanted to kind of sprinkle game on with the family members to kind of get you guys like, okay, hey man.


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[Assistant] This is something that we need to pay attention to. Let's look at these guys to see, you know, what they look like moving forward. That's the positive thing.


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[Assistant] About some of our young players and really bucked about the Saints getting ready for the training camp, man.


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[Assistant] Nick sell to various, he healthy. Is he good to go? Jaren cage.


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[Assistant] Another guy that can sneak into your rotation, Malcolm Roach, watch out.


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[Assistant] DeMarco Jackson, the football player, will be able to see him.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, improve Jordan Howden. I think he'll be the future of the safety position. Isaiah Fosky is obviously the future at the defensive end position and Smoke Monday is trying to fight a deep safety run to try to get a job. So it's going to be interesting to see and just fun as well. Keep an eye out on some of these players, man, for real. So with that being said, let me get it ready.


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[Assistant] That's right, the Pro Shop is the platform store where you can go and buy all the latest merch to support the platform.


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[Assistant] Oh, that's just too sweet. And if it's a boy, after you, Jay.


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[Assistant] I am- I am Foucault, sir. Oh, nice name for a nice boy. Woah! Nice-


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[Assistant] You better take your seat. Oh boy. Alright, thanks.


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[Assistant] No, I think it's something far worse. Come with me, children. Oh, we're underground now. STOP! What is it? The music changed! There it is!


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[Assistant] Before we get to the news, Donald Trump gave a press conference right before we started taping, which means it's time for Breaking Crazy.


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[Assistant] President Trump this afternoon gave a press conference that can only be described as clinically insane.


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[Assistant] You know that list of side effects at the end of a pharmaceutical ad? He apparently has all of them.