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[Assistant] Uh, this formula before, like we can calculate attention layers, the output of the attention layers.


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[Assistant] So we can multiply Q to K and also multiply V and do some softmax. And what difference between this one and this one? The only difference is here is the subscript. The subscript is H. It means head.


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[Assistant] Uhm, it means that we will divide Q into every head. Like I said before, we can have Q1, we can have Q2, we can have Q3 if the head is 3.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. So, you can see this formula, pH, pH equals to softmax, da da da da da da.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we, I also, uhm, tell, tell you before that, x, uhm, l, t, w, q means that bq, it equals bq.


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[Assistant] So, the difference between these two formulas is only the bias. These don't have bias, but this adds some bias, but nothing really different.


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[Assistant] So we can see that it's just the same, this pH is just the same as the softmax here.


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[Assistant] And, uh, also we can see SAH this formula. We can see what is different is like we mounting X into WV. This, this part is just a big V, big VH. So this part is just the same as the whole formula here.


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[Assistant] So this SHX formula is just the same as the attention QKV formula, right? So the only difference is just here we have H because we will learn different paths of the


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[Assistant] Because this is a head, but it's also a path. So we need to analyze every head. So we need to divide the head into separately.


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[Assistant] And then maybe we'll put them together, uhm, the output of each sample layer is formed by concatenating the individual output of all each heads.


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[Assistant] And the linear project them onto a subspace of approximate size. So we just combined them together into, into one. Yeah, just this is one head and we just combine it.


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[Assistant] And then the same output is given by XL and the only difference between, it's just to pull the layers together.


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[Assistant] And this formula and this formula, the only difference is here. It's, we call it head, but it also can be a pass, but they are all the same, like head or pass. So we'll write in the pass way.


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[Assistant] The output, so this formula is the output of L layer self-attention network with H hat per layer here. Yeaah, so it's just the output of one layer.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so the next thing is to find this form nominate is rank collapse.


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[Assistant] And uh, this might look really complicated, but we can focus on L, I think. The left side of the formula here,


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[Assistant] Uhm, the left side of the formulas here is represent the residual of sin, and the right side represents its upper bound, you can see that.


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[Assistant] And, uh, uhm, in the paper, it, it shows that, uh, in the parentheses, it's smaller than one for order of small residual inputs. And you can see that L is on the power to the power.


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[Assistant] Like L is, uh, is the power of the parenthesis and also the power of three.


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[Assistant] So which is a double experiential recording, double experiential, which means that


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[Assistant] As long as L gets a little bigger, a little, a little bigger, the whole last half.


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[Assistant] So, it means that the residual also close to zero. Uhm, so, which means that the residual decay will decay really fast and converge within a few times. And it's the single hats.


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[Assistant] Uh, condition, but if we are in the multi-head condition, the only difference is the H because we have multi-head now.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but you know that hat is 1, 2, 3, this kind of thing, so it won't be really large, so you won't do anything good to the whole, the whole formula here.


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[Assistant] This will appear, this kind of thing will appear, we call the phenomenon of rank collapse, just that such phenomenon is really severe. So what exactly prevents the impact of this kind of phenomenon?


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[Assistant] It's the next things we want to, we want to, we are really curious about that. So we will first think of escape connections.


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[Assistant] When skip connection is considered, the path decomposition parameter should be modified.


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[Assistant] One edge so we can see the difference is here.


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[Assistant] Can you see that? And uh, h is, is, uh, belong to big H, but now it also belong to zero. If the H equals it to zero, it means that escape us layers. It will, this kind of things will first, they will increase the number of paths from L to this one.


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[Assistant] I will explain why they will increase the number of the paths, like maybe we have a simple example here.


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[Assistant] We have four layers, and every layer will have three heads. And if there's no escape connections, maybe we will have three powers of four, these kind of, uhm, these numbers of paths.


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[Assistant] Um, but if we add some, if we can skip one layer, we will have this kind of like L equals to three means that.


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[Assistant] Escape the, uh, three layers and we can.


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[Assistant] Also go through the one to four layers. So we have many choice, like we will have four layers in the whole model and we will choose three layers of it. And the rest three layer will have three powers of three here.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so this, this also is just one, just one kind of situation and condition, and maybe i can equal to 1, 2, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, so you also have many.


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[Assistant] You have many paths, a number of paths, then the no-skip connection one.


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[Assistant] And, uh, also this paper also shows that we can deduce an upper bound on the residual output of the L layers, which means that


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[Assistant] Like here we will have, uh, like here we will have this lower bound. It means that you want descent to rank 1.


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[Assistant] Therefore, escape connection can effectively prevent phenomena of rank collapse.


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[Assistant] And the next one is MLP. Uhm, we have talked about the Lipschitz constant, and here we use Lipschitz constant quality lambda.


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[Assistant] And the lambda is inside the parenthesis and because the lambda can be big.


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[Assistant] So, this one, this inside print, it can be a little bigger. So, this kind of...


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[Assistant] Uh, this right part will not, um,


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[Assistant] Uh, converge to rank one, rank one metrics really fast. So the part, the more powerful the LLP.


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[Assistant] And we can see that their normalization is accomplished by risk scaling and shifting.


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[Assistant] Uh, when we prevent the phenomenon of brain collapse.


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[Assistant] And, uh, next part is experiment. Next we will use diagram to represent phenomena we have just described. And first, first, uhm,


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[Assistant] The first experiment is visualizing the bias of different architectures. And in this experiment, our dataset is 32 samples of 128 token experts of biographies from Wikipedia.


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[Assistant] And, uh, experimental model we use is BERT, Albert, XLNet.


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[Assistant] And the performance evaluation is the relative, relative residual. Like here is a residual of the sin x and here is the sin x, just the output of the sin. This is the residual of the sin.


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[Assistant] Of each layers to output before and after the networks have been trained.


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[Assistant] Okay, let's see the result of the pictures.


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[Assistant] We can see that from the column, we can see that the relative trend of these lines hasn't changed much. Like here, the same lines is all collapsed really hard and others are better.


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[Assistant] And this also, so we can see that the relative channel of these lines hasn't changed much. It means that rank collapse has nothing to do with the training of the model.


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[Assistant] And if we add some skip, it will work better.


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[Assistant] Because it don't just, uh, collapse, uh, really fast. And, uh, but as can be seen from the lines, the result of drawing MLP are still similar to those without drawing MLP. Like, the lines same is here, but same plus MLP also the same way. Uhm, the paper said, uhm, this kind of phenomenon because


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[Assistant] It won't be great, but if you retrain the whole model, maybe you'll be better than that.


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[Assistant] However, the figure still shows a significant effect of adding skip connections. Like here we can.


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[Assistant] Even we use different model here, but we got like the same.


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[Assistant] And the second experiment we've done is...


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[Assistant] Ranked labs in real architecture and in this experiment.


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[Assistant] Our dataset is used to predict two curricular arcs in R2 of radius 0.3 and start at these two points and respectively each direction counter clockwise and consists of 1000 points.


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[Assistant] And the experimental model is a single layer transformers applied to predict a simple to this curricular sequence, right?


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[Assistant] And, uh, performance evaluation is the, a hypothesize that at inference time, the prediction trajectories of the two arcs will converge to the same point.


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[Assistant] And this, if they convert to the same point, it indicates, uh, you will have a rank lapse rather than following the training trajectories. Like we see the, we see the pictures here.


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[Assistant] And in the Y line, we have no MLP, no scape, and MLP no scape, and no MLP scape. And you can see in the X line, we will have dimension 32, 86, 128.


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[Assistant] And you can see that in the first row.


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[Assistant] It will, uh, easily converge, really fast converge because they are, uhm,


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[Assistant] They are just in the same time. They are, all the pictures are in the same, uhm, time, but the first line here is easily to converge, but you can see in the second line here, the first is easily to converge, but, uh,


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[Assistant] So this kind of things means that adding MLP or skip connections either stop or dramatically slow down the run collapse. You can see that.


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[Assistant] Because this one is not MLP, they converge really, and they converge really fast. But in the second row, it don't have skip, but have MLP.


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[Assistant] It's not always converge really fast. And if it's, it has a skip connections, you will not.


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[Assistant] Uhm, uh, uhm, converge really fast.


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[Assistant] And the third experiment is path effectiveness.


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[Assistant] And, uh, in, in that we have three different tasks. First is sequence, sequence memorization. And the second one is learning to sort. And the third one is convoy or predictions. And we have, um, different data sites. Like here we have,


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[Assistant] And in this, in this task, we have training set consists of 10,000 sequence of points.


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[Assistant] And, uh, we use the same experimental model, like here we'll use, uh, and all of them we use entire model.


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[Assistant] We also use random predictor, and we use 5-pass model and 20-pass model.


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[Assistant] And we have different performance evaluations here. Like in the first, in the first task, we will solve this task. A model needs to memorize a predetermined mapping.


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[Assistant] And we also have the learning to solve this task.


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[Assistant] And it will give an input sequence of letters. And this test learned to sort the letters in alphabet ordering and models output for each input letter is used to determine the position of that letter in the prediction, predict ordering.


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[Assistant] And we also have this, this, the third task is given a sequence of endpoints uniformly distributed in this size and shifting by a random


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[Assistant] Uh, bivariate standard normal. And this tag predicts the converse hull of these points.


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[Assistant] And so we can see the image here, the X line, the X, the X is path length and it's from zero to six and Y is token accuracy. Also, it's a little different between these three pictures here.


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[Assistant] And we can see in the memorization task.


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[Assistant] Uhm, of course the random predictor is, uhm, 50% right. And if its entire model is higher than 60, uh, almost, almost 85% right accuracy. And we can see that, uh,


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[Assistant] If the path length is equal to 1, you can see that in the first task, the 20 paths accuracy will


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[Assistant] And in the last tax, we can see that if the pass equals to 1, the accuracy of the tax will


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[Assistant] Uh, higher than 60%. And if the path being longer, like the path length is equals to five, you can see that in the first text you will, the accuracy will be lower than 50%.


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[Assistant] And, uh, the second task also lower than 50%. Oh, lower than 10%. And in the third task, it's, uhm, a little bit higher, but to the whole picture, it's not really high. It's, uh, nearly 60%.


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[Assistant] So this, this picture shows that rapid deminium


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[Assistant] So uhm, the last part is uhm, it's not the last part, but the part is results.


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[Assistant] Uhm, as we have talked before that we first is path decomposition and in the paper we create a new method. This paper presents this path decomposition method which can easily prove the phenomenon that rank will converge quickly and clearly see problems of rank lapse.


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[Assistant] And the second one I call it observed phenomenon. This phenomenon is rank collapse. Like in the paper self-attention process a strong inductive bias towards


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[Assistant] The influence of the other parts and also coordinate analysis of the reasons.


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[Assistant] And, uh, it shows that skip connections and MIPs stop the output from degeneration, degeneration.


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[Assistant] And escape connections play a key role in mitigating rank collapse and MLPs can slow down the conversions by increasing their leakshades constantly. And you know that we have taught that like a escape connection can play


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[Assistant] An important role because he gives the, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, residual, uh, lower bounds. So it won't be rank collapse anymore.


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[Assistant] And so the paper also mentioned some related works like skip connections.


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[Assistant] We're first introduced by ResNet that we all know that and ever since it had been used to facilitate optimization in deep networks and the skip connection in this paper prevent the transformer output from degenerating.


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[Assistant] The lengths of the effective paths in deep-recision nets are much shorter than the total neckward depth.


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[Assistant] And in the, in this paper, we always, also find that sans-realized or short pass to avoid rank collapse. By this, by these pictures here, we don't need to have a long pass. We can have a good result.


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[Assistant] And also, some recent works have approximated attention metrics with low rank.


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[Assistant] Uh, factorization or kernel method to reduce the quadratic self-attention complexity.


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[Assistant] And also have some, also some researchers, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, have been other recently advanced in understanding the theory behind transformers, like prove the theory universally.


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[Assistant] First one, uhm, is how can we take full advantage of the revealed token constant, constant inductive buyers to design more effective, efficient networks and perhaps better utilize long paths? As you can see from the graphs above here,


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[Assistant] The path length above 3 doesn't work very well, but we know that deep neural networks tend to extract finer features, so it's important to see if we can make better use of long paths.


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[Assistant] We can maybe find a way to avoid this kind of collapse and, uh, use, uh, long past, long past model.


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[Assistant] And the second, the second future work is what does the width and depth trade-off actually mean? And this question is also an indispensable question to discuss the deep learning model.


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[Assistant] Like, uh, I think in the attention system, maybe the width, width means the, uh, head numbers and depth means the layers of the whole architecture.


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[Assistant] But I, because now we find that if we have more layers, we will be, uh, we have the problem of rank collapsing and if we can


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[Assistant] We can have a way to avoid this kind of things. Maybe we will, it can be longer than now. And, uh,


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[Assistant] And the third, and the third future work is how to provide, prove a meaning for lower bound or residual convergence for transformers. And we know the escape connection is effective because it gives a


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[Assistant] Uh, lower bound, maybe you can replace the residual and we can avoid this kind of rank collapse.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's all my presentation, uh, my lectures. And this is the reference here. And do you have any questions? No. Okay.


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[Assistant] Uhm, to be honest, I don't think we use like a shallow, shallow model now, because like a transformer, maybe we have many block of the attention.


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[Assistant] So, like, what we use now is not, it's also long-pass things, uhm, because I think, like, uh, the skip connection can avoid these kind of things, so we don't worry about, like, long-pass will have rank collapse.


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[Assistant] So actually, uhm, because this analyze just tell us that maybe shorter paths will be useful again, the long path, but actually what we use is still the long path, I think, because, because the skip connections can avoid this kind of things.


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[Assistant] So maybe if, uhm, if I want to do something, maybe I would, uhm, I want to find another way to avoid, uhm, brand collapse.


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[Assistant] Uhm, like you said that this task maybe, uh, if...


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[Assistant] If it's in a shorter path, it shows that the token accuracy is still really high.


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[Assistant] Uh, but I think uhm, maybe it's just in this kind of task, but if I change it into another one, I don't think it will work so well like that. Because uhm, in only like one or two layers, layers are a model, I don't think it can work really well.


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[Assistant] So I don't think, uhm, I think the most problem is to


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[Assistant] Uhm, try to avoid, avoid rank labs, but not to shorten the path length.


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[Assistant] And yeaah, I know I have any questions.


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[Assistant] I have said that, uhm, like in this paper, they just cut the MLP. So actually, actually this, uhm, this, this, this, this picture is not really accuracy because they don't have a retrain. They don't retrain the whole model.


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[Assistant] So you can't see the lines here really carefully, I think.


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[Assistant] Because if you re-chain the model, maybe you will change a little.


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[Assistant] Yeah, we can just see this, uhm, this collapsing one between this is not collapsing.


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[Assistant] But you, it's really hard to say if we, uhm, if we don't have MLP, you say it will be, uh, lower than the, uh, have MLP ones. But I think it's because of the re-chain things.


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[Assistant] Maybe if I have the time, maybe I will, uhm, do the same experiment.


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[Assistant] Because maybe retrain is not really hard. And if we can retrain it, maybe we'll have a more accuracy answer for that.


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[Assistant] We only can see the same and the other and the other model, but we can't really carefully compare the other three lines here, I think.


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[Assistant] It's a not really accuracy experiment.


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[Assistant] Alrighty everybody. Yes it is. Let's go. Jay Crawford, Adam the Bull, G Bush, Brad Sellers back in the house. Really quickly before we start.


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[Assistant] Mike, oh, by the way, we've got a show full of surprises, so everybody on this panel better be on their toes. Okay, so that is the Gopher from...


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[Assistant] Uh, is Anthony here today? Anthony is here. Okay, that's Anthony's gopher. Love it. That he talked about yesterday from the movie Caddyshack. Ah, yes. So that's, he's now our, where is he? He's posted. Oh, he's down there in front of the desk. He's down there chilling.


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[Assistant] It's supposed to be an industrial look. You know, Cleveland's an industrial city.


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[Assistant] Okay, that's awesome. I'm glad to hear that they're on that. We've got our best lawyers on that right now, right?


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[Assistant] We want to start with you because our jumping off point today is Nick Chubb. It's something that we sort of touched on yesterday, but before we get into that.


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[Assistant] You found something over the weekend that's probably just as egregious as what we're gonna talk about to start the show. So set the table what you have here.


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[Assistant] If he's a fantasy guy, Nick Chubb is a reality running back.


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[Assistant] I don't know that I want him as a fantasy running back just because the way the Browns offense works when they get close to the red zone.


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[Assistant] We throw that out there because where we're starting today is Odyssey.


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[Assistant] Which, they're a podcast company, right? That's pretty much what they do.


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[Assistant] At radio station. Okay. There, there, uh, do we have the tweet that they sent out? They ranked the backs in the AFC North. All, all, the top four backs.


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[Assistant] And they actually have Najee Harris number one, Nick Chubb two, Joe Mixon, and then J.K. Davids. G. Bush go. I know you're red hot on this.


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[Assistant] Here's the only argument that I can find. He had the most carries. I don't know, does that make him more durable than the other guys? I don't know. He had the most carries because they have nobody else there. He's their back feet.


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[Assistant] He's 8 catches and 12 carries. And I know that's, that's using them a lot. If you were, and I don't know that you can have 40.


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[Assistant] Touches per game between Chubb and Hunt. Cause at that point, you're primarily a running team. You might as well kept Baker Mayfield. If that's what you're going to do.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's true. An abundance of talent at the running back position. I'll make a couple points before we wrap this up.


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[Assistant] Chubb is two. For me, pro football focus is the Bible. I think they're very, very, they're accurate with their ratings, the way they look at the game, and the way they value it.


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[Assistant] Here's the other thing. You sort of discounted yards per carry. You said not that it means everything. No, no. For me, as, and I know that there's more things to being a running back. You got to catch passes and a chub is not as accomplished at catching passes as some of these other backs.


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[Assistant] But I look at the yards per carry as the end all be all. I look at that as the OPS. I look at that as that's my golden nugget stat for a running back. Guys, when you just look at that number. Yeah, he kills everybody. It's not even close. Nick Chubb, not just last year, but for his career guys, is averaging five and a half yards.


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[Assistant] Uh, Nixon actually, Nixon was 3.9 as well. So there's a huge difference between Chubb and everyone else.


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[Assistant] I think he's the prototypical back. I know that some will take Henry and after last year, a lot of folks are mesmerized by Taylor. I don't know that Taylor is going to be able to repeat that this year. I think Taylor's success last year was a result of the Colts having a terrible passing game.


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[Assistant] And, you know, we talked earlier, does Stefanski know that? Here's my fear. Marty Schottenheimer was run out of town because he was stubborn and refused to hire an offensive coordinator. Essentially that was the rift between Art Modell and Marty Schottenheimer. He wanted him to hire an offensive coordinator. He wouldn't do it.


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[Assistant] I'm watching Stefanski and it seemed like the overwhelming chorus last year was why is he calling the plays? Why doesn't he be the CEO? Why doesn't he just give off that duty? Let someone focus specifically on that and he can be the CEO like all your great head coaches.


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[Assistant] I'm wondering now if we're getting to a point, and the same thing with Chubb and Hunt in the backfield at the same time. That was the overwhelming chorus last year. The media, the fans, everybody was saying, why, why, why? Yes. I wonder if we're to a point with Stefanski where he's like sneaky, stubborn, and he's like, no, no, I'm the head coach. We're going to do it my way. That's my fear.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it's crazy. It really is. I don't know how this is going to work itself out. Alright.


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[Assistant] We started down this road yesterday. It's an interesting debate. It's June 3rd. So we're kind of making stories here, but we had a Dede on yesterday and we asked her take the quarterbacks out of the equation because obviously if you've got Deshaun Watson as your quarterback and we're going to compare them to the 49ers.


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[Assistant] Garoppolo is not even in that discussion. So take the quarterbacks off the two teams. Which roster do you most like? The Niners or the Browns? And here's Aditi's response to that.


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[Assistant] Alright, so DeeDee's point is well taken because I think we're all biased too. We see every snap of every game the Browns play. I probably last year saw four or five Niners games in total. You got to see them in the stretch run when they were playing meaningful football and then into the playoffs.


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[Assistant] Maybe, maybe once in the late 80s. I think Broomer might have taken one of those Bengals teams to the playoffs when we were going to the FC Championship game all those years. But they're never good at the same time. Almost never good at the same time.


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[Assistant] I just put my quick thought on this to wrap it up. I think the rosters are both very, very close. I think, I think we have the better running backs. The Niners have the better pass catchers. I think we have the better defensive back.


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[Assistant] While not the same as the difference at quarterback between Browns and Niners, I think the Niners have a significant edge.


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[Assistant] And I also think John Lynch is one of the best executives and I think Andrew Barry's done a terrific job. But I think if you're going to go even that high up in the, in, into the organization, I think John Lynch has proven to be one of the better, uh,


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[Assistant] Executives when it comes to making global decisions for a team in the NFL. Close, but I think, you know what I hope?


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[Assistant] This is my sincere hope. I hope we can answer this question with Super Bowl 57. Oh yeaah. Can you imagine? That would be a great match up. I would love to see that. Wouldn't it? I would love to see the Browns and anybody. They could play, they could play, they could play St. Ignatius. I love it. If Deshaun Watson's not quarterbacking, it won't happen.


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[Assistant] No, probably not. Okay, uhm, we're gonna do something that's a little unorthodoxed. But it's off the air yesterday. We were laughing so hard at this. We figured we've got to share this with the audience. So I'll set the table briefly and then I'll let G. Bush take it from there.


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[Assistant] A number of years ago, G. Bush had agreed to do a hit on a Kansas City radio station who thought he was someone else.


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[Assistant] Whoever his co-host was or his producer, the conversation went like this.


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[Assistant] And he, first of all, he's a stand up, classy, great guy. I love Joe. In fact, I think we're going to try to do something with Joe on the program here because he's a Cleveland guy. I think he went to high school at Lake Catholic, if I'm not mistaken.


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[Assistant] But he's just a great guy and he's a guy that I think we, you know, we need to get involved in the show. Um, at some point, hopefully by the time football season rolls around, he'll be on the show, which I can't wait for his first interview because that clip is going to get played and we're going to talk about that. So DeQuel, on a much more serious note, um, we started the show today by, um,


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[Assistant] Odyssey Sports, they own some radio stations, they do some podcasting. They tweeted out recently the top four running backs in the AFC North.


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[Assistant] And their list was odd because they had Najee Harris number one, Nick Chubb number two, Joe Mixon number three, and J.K. Dobbins number four. What's your top four in the division?


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[Assistant] Dequel, I have a theory. I'll run it by you and see if this makes any sense at all. It could be complete craziness.


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[Assistant] It seemed like early in the relationship that Baker may have been forcing the ball to OBJ when he wasn't open because he knows the presence that he is, not just in the huddle, but in the locker room. He knows his past. He knows he can get vocal if he's not getting the ball thrown to him.


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[Assistant] And it almost was if after forcing the ball there when there was nothing there and throwing picks, it almost seemed like at some point in the relationship, he said, okay,


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[Assistant] I'm hearing from everybody, don't force the ball, don't force the ball. It almost seemed like it's at, at some point, particularly early last year, that he just


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[Assistant] Was almost making a point not to throw to Odell. Almost to feed into the criticism that he was trying to force it to him so much early. Is that crazy talk or is there something to that?


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[Assistant] You can't talk your way into leadership. That just happens organically. Absolutely not.


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[Assistant] Like I think the Browns get an, get an extraordinary grade when it comes to diversity hires and, and you mentioned women hires. They, they have, they had one of the first female, uh, assistant coaches.


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[Assistant] I, I, I do think that that's something that the Browns are sort of, uh, leading the way on in, in the NFL. I think the league has acknowledged they have a lot of work to do in that situation. It's odd because the number of black head coaches has fluctuated through the years. There have been opportunities. There have been points. There, there were a good number of them.


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[Assistant] But for whatever reason, now we're in a spot now where you look around and you're like,


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[Assistant] In Pittsburgh, because the organization around him was set up to do that. A stalwart organization. They're going to succeed whoever their head coach is. But when you bring in a guy like Tomlin, who's from Tony Dungy's tree, who'd had a lot of success, uh, I think it helps for future hires. And also, I don't, I covered Tony for, for a number of years when he was in Tampa.


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[Assistant] It was very important to t opportunities to young bl


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[Assistant] Well, the thing is, you can't do anything about that because De'Quel, as you know, it's the guys that have the money make the rules. And in sports, that's why you have seen black ownership groups. NASCAR has a black ownership group.


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[Assistant] And by the way, and I don't want to disparage your guy.


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[Assistant] Michael Jordan. But Jordan, to me, is an absent guy. He's not, I think if he would approach being an executive the same way he approached being a player,


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[Assistant] He could do it if he wanted to. It's just for some reason he's not as involved as many there think he should be.


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[Assistant] Yeaah. Wait, Diquel just made a really interesting comment. Diquel, what did you just say?


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[Assistant] Yeah, but Dukwell, that's a good one cause he's at every gym. He's at every, and you just look at the guy and you're like, yeah, let's just pretend he's invisible. Cause they never live up to their apparel.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that, you're exactly right. That, there is, that's a real guy. He's a real guy. So, De'Quel, my favorite guy, and it, you don't see this guy at gyms. You don't. But you see him on playgrounds a lot.


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[Assistant] Don't go anywhere. Got a special surprise on the other side of this break. It's gonna be worth it. I promise you. Oh yeaah.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're back on The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Uh, I told you at the start of the show, guys, I wanted you to be ready for anything. Today's the day of surprises. I love Fridays. Right. We gotta spice them up a little bit. Without further ado, I'd like to welcome in a friend of the show now.


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[Assistant] Most guys would never tell that story because they came up on the wrong end of it. And the ending when he told that story, when you told the story for the first time, when you told us that you guys lost, we all lost it because we thought there's no way. And I know what kind of athlete Chris is and Keith and those guys, but they came into your house playing your game.


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[Assistant] Well, I'm kind of spoiling a future surprise, but I'll just go ahead and say it. So I was that close to getting Chris on today too. If he didn't have a golf match, he was on today. So they were going to two on one.


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[Assistant] Yeah. Salt of the Earth people. The one thing that you know, you've worked for all, you lived in the North East.


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[Assistant] Working in different parts of the country. The one thing that I, Midwest nice is a real thing.


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[Assistant] McNuggets, uhm, did we lose Keith for good? That connection was just so bad.


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[Assistant] I think, yeaah, I wish I could change that because I'm with you, I think he's good. First of all, the Orioles stink, and Bieber's looking like Bieber again. What's the last?


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[Assistant] My name is Jay Crawford. I am a lifelong Cleveland sports fan. I have carried my fandom every city I've ever lived in.


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[Assistant] And we know how much our teens mean to us. Most of us know that because of our parents. In my case, my father was just a huge Cleveland sports fan. It was really part of our life. It was woven into everything we did and it was our connection throughout


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[Assistant] Hi, my name is Jay Crawford. I'm a lifelong Cleveland sports fan. My favorite all-time Cleveland sports moment. You're not going to believe this. It was Rajay Davis's home run in game seven that tied the score.


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[Assistant] Yeah, it is. It is. Buh-buh! Buh-buh! That sounds like a horror movie. Like something bad's about to go down. It is. And something bad is about to go down. First of all, we want to thank Keith Byers. We tried, we tried very hard, but we just couldn't get that good signal. But he was a great sport, and you were really a good sport for going along with it.


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[Assistant] Yeah, famous, famous. Okay, uhm, what are we doing? Explain it for those that aren't familiar with the old radio concept.


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[Assistant] We got five to get there, guys. Come on. Yeah, uhm. They cheatin'. You know what? It was non-romantic, right?


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[Assistant] She was in, uhm, now I can't even think of the movie. She was in the Tuscany, uh, Tuscany movie. She's red hair. I don't know that movie. She's got, she's got red hair. Help me guys. She's got strawberry red hair. Beautiful woman. Red hair girl. She was in the outside.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll tell you. I started in Hazard, Kentucky. I've told you guys this story before. I was a very small CBS affiliate right after I graduated. I looked like I was 15. I had no business being hired. I was horrible.


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[Assistant] Somebody saw something in me. I did it for about a year. I was making $12,500 a year when I started, okay. Now bro, even in 1987 that was poverty, okay.


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[Assistant] And I had an, my wife is from Chardon and her father is a businessman in the Cleveland area and knows a lot of people and he had hooked me up with an interview.


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[Assistant] Bring my daughter back home. Right. She has no business being down there and you can make some real money. Right. So I came up here and I was nervous the whole drive because I didn't want to do that. I never wanted to do anything but what I'm doing today.


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[Assistant] And I went into the interview and they, they liked me, they offered me the job.


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[Assistant] And he said, I can't guarantee you a salary, but I can tell you that you'll start around $30,000 if you do minimal sales. I think with your personality you can do better than that, but we'll see.


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[Assistant] So now I'm thinking how do I drive back to my wife and tell my wife I got an opportunity to double my, more than double my salary and put you in your parents backyard.


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[Assistant] How do I do that? Well, I did that because my wife is an incredible woman and my father, they were the two people that were most instrumental. My mother too, but my father who would have turned 84 today, June 3rd was his birthday, told me, you've been talking about doing this since you were five.


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[Assistant] Now you want to sell cars because it's tough? Because you're not making any money?


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[Assistant] Does it matter to you that I believe in you and that I believe you can write your own paycheck as a sportscaster? And my wife said the same thing. Don't do it. We'll get home.


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[Assistant] I don't need to be home right now, and you'll make money. And I didn't. To your point, don't give up on your dream, man. Don't give up.


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[Assistant] And it's going to go everywhere with me. You've talked to me about this before. You said you wanted one when you were at the radio station. You want to be walking around, would it be a panda?


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[Assistant] I thought, I was like, wait, this dude's gonna do what? He's like in junior high. I know.


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[Assistant] And shout out to our corporate owner, Tegna, is looking at the landscape and they're saying,


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[Assistant] No, it is, it's coming. And so back to the original question about, I wanted to, you know, pay some, some,


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[Assistant] Respect to Tegna for having the vision to do this, cause it's not cheap.


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[Assistant] It's not. It may look like we're broadcasting from a basement sometimes, but we're not. There's a lot invested into this project because they believe in it and they know it's the future and the metrics. We're all super proud of the metrics that we're pulling off already. I couldn't believe it. We have no business to be doing that yet.


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[Assistant] All I knew about him was he was formerly on the air.


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[Assistant] He gave up a job because a little behind the scenes stuff. This show was supposed to be in Dallas. It was supposed, Tegna has a station in Dallas and they were originally planning to launch this idea in Dallas and if it worked there they were going to spread it elsewhere.


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[Assistant] But through some maneuverings with the company, Dallas had to be sold because of a sale and it just gets complicated, but they no longer had an affiliate in Dallas long term. They're still on it now, but they won't soon. So they looked at the landscape at all these other stations and they said, and this is a, this is a way of paying respect to the fans, to you.


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[Assistant] What city loves sports that can't get enough of it? Cleveland's a great sports town. And we've got some folks there that could put this thing together. They knew of my experience with the ESPN and I had been talking to them for a while about doing some kind of a new show.


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[Assistant] It morphed into this when Dallas, so it was kind of serendipitous that it happened this way. But I learned that Mikey had given up his career on the air. He was a sports reporter in Texas.


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[Assistant] Given up his career to go to Dallas to produce this show. I knew then that this guy was real. They thought a lot of him. Out of anybody they could pick, they went to him.


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[Assistant] And then when the, when they pivoted and said, nope, we're not in Dallas, we're in Cleveland, he'd never been to Cleveland. I don't think he didn't know anything about Cleveland other than what the average casual sports fan nationally would know. He said he didn't blink. I'm in. He packed up his car.


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[Assistant] He drove from Dallas to Cleveland to start a new life in a foreign city with people he hadn't met.


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[Assistant] And he had to learn us and we're learning him. And I gotta tell you, the reason I believe in this so much, I believe in fate and karma.


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[Assistant] All of these points of light, Stevie, our director, was one of the top directors in this market. And he's, and he was at channel five for Stevie, what, 40 years? 32 years. He was just retiring.


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[Assistant] Into our lap falls this unbelievable technical director who's looking for some.


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[Assistant] Uh, for a part-time job now that he's in retirement, what better fit? Everything that's come together here is like a perfect fit. That's why I'm so excited about the show and that's why I believe about it, believe in it so much, but Anthony and Brie and Mike


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[Assistant] We kid these guys a lot. They are the vertebrae of this show. But we kid them because we like them so much. We love them. He's a great guy. He's a super hard worker. I tell people when they ask what, what about the staff? And I've told people at ESPN this, I said,


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[Assistant] Close your eyes. Oh boy. I got you a little something. I don't want you to, you know, it's not much. It's not much, but I know what's going on in your life right now. You're, you're, uh, very health conscious. You lose a weight. So I had a dilemma. Okay.


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[Assistant] Bull, I love you like a brother. I've only known you a month. I love you like a brother. I really do everything about you. You're a family man. You're, you're passionate. I love your passion. Thank you. I wanted to get you something special, but I, and so I immediately thought, well, gotta get some food.


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[Assistant] Well, I got you an item of food. Stevie, if we can get a tight shot of this before he opens his eyes.


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[Assistant] Happy birthday and, and really, in all seriousness, we're thrilled to be able to share your 51st birthday with you.


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[Assistant] I mentioned Stevie, our director. He's been here 32 years. I've just known him for a short time, but I can tell you he's as professional as they get.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna say he's one AAAA. Because I have to give a shout out to a man that I've only known for two years, three years, now that I've been here at Channel 3.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but Al Wall has been our director of production. I'm not exactly sure what his title is. He's president of production or whatever. Uhm, but I just know him as Al. He's a great friend. He's been involved in this project.


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[Assistant] He's been doing a lot of the behind the scenes work that you guys haven't been able to see. This was just a big closet pretty much at Channel 3.


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[Assistant] And they converted this into a television studio and they did a mag- magical job. Al's last day at Channel 3 is today.


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[Assistant] And Al and I, uhm, we like to, he's a big sports fan and he also has been a boater. He has a place up on Catawba Island, which was, you know, it's part of the area that I spent a lot of time in.


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[Assistant] 42 years, guys. I mean, that's almost all a bull's life. That is amazing. The guy has been here. He's a super talented guy. Very nice. And I want to say this, Al and I have a thing going.


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[Assistant] We decided for whatever reason that on Wednesday, we call it Respect Wednesday. So every Wednesday, he doesn't say hi to Jay and I don't say hi to Al. I address him every Wednesday.


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[Assistant] Good afternoon, Mr. Wolse, sir. I hope you're having a good day. And he would say to me,


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[Assistant] Good afternoon, Mr. Crawford. I hope you're having a good day. Just our fun little way of being polite and showing respect. And Al, we're gonna miss you, uh, here at Channel 3. I know that you've only been part of this project, we've only been around for a few months, but you were very instrumental in getting us off the ground.


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[Assistant] Good luck to you in your second life. Your, your best chapter is yet to come. Uh, I know you've been working hard on your house at Catawba and I know you're going to enjoy it. So thank you for all that you've done.


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[Assistant] I know that our audience probably doesn't know who I'm talking about, but now they know Al Wall is a great guy. He really is. And also, uhm, if you're looking for something to do this weekend, I got a text from Bernie Kozar this morning and saying, hey bro, can you, can you, uh, publicize this for me? I said, sure.


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[Assistant] This is the Cleveland Rams. They're a semi-pro team here in Cleveland. They're playing the Baltimore Lightning. So where else can you get Cleveland Baltimore football in June? Well, uh, tomorrow they're going to be playing at four o'clock.


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[Assistant] At Cleveland Heights at 2101, that's Cleveland Heights High School, right? Their football field. And the tickets are 10 bucks, but if you're 12 and under, you get in for free. Look, if you, if you got a football itch, then we all do.


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[Assistant] Uhm, go check them out because, uh, I'm told they're very good. They're doing, they're having a great season and, uh, support them if you can because they need all the help they can get. And, uh, I know we love football.


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[Assistant] Oh yeah. So he's going to play auto mechanic or former Brown's quarterback. The game that Mike Polk played with us a couple of weeks ago. I love that. That was a blast. And also we're going to talk about Cleveland one hit wonders. So start thinking about that and see if the guy on your list makes our list. In the meantime, have a great time. Thanks for watching the ultimate Cleveland sports show. We're back Monday, 11 a.m. Have a great weekend. See ya.


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[Assistant] Okay, maybe we need to get back to the reflective, shiny gold.


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[Assistant] So the quote with that being said, you think Baker knew that he wasn't getting the ball to Odell Beckham? You think he knew that?


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[Assistant] In some ways it's gotten a lot better and in other ways it's also a very scary time. We all need to get back into the fight. We're not doing it.


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[Assistant] Oh Pompeii, what can we do with men such as this? I don't know whether to embrace him or strangle him.


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[Assistant] His uncle Marius was my greatest enemy.


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[Assistant] She likes you, I am sure, said I, as I stood behind his chair. And her father respects you. Moreover, she is a sweet girl.


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[Assistant] Rather thoughtless, but you would have sufficient thought for both yourself and her. You ought to marry her.


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[Assistant] She talks of you continually. There is no subject she enjoys so much or touches upon so often. It is very pleasant to hear this, he said. Very. Go on for another quarter of an hour.


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[Assistant] When you are probably preparing some iron blow of contradiction, or forging a fresh chain to fetter your heart. Don't imagine such hard things. Fancy me yielding and melting as I am doing. Human love rising like a freshly opened fountain in my mind.


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[Assistant] Now I see myself stretched on an ottoman in the drawing room at Vale Hall at my bride Rosamund Oliver's feet. She is talking to me with her sweet voice.


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[Assistant] Gazing down on me with those eyes your skillful hand has copied so well. Smiling at me with those coral lips. She is mine. I am hers. This present life and passing world suffice to me.


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[Assistant] My heart is full of delight. My senses are entranced. Let the time I marked, path in peace. I humoured him. The watch ticked on. He breathed fast and low. I stood silent. Amidst this hush, the quarter spared.


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[Assistant] He replaced the watch, laid the picture down, rose and stood on the hearth.


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[Assistant] Now, said he. That little space was given to delirium under delusion.


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[Assistant] I rested my temples on the breast of temptation, and put my neck voluntarily under her yoke of flowers. I tasted her cup. The pillow was burning. There is an asp in the garland. The wine has a bitter taste. Her promises are hollow. Her offers false. I see and know all this. I gazed at him in wonder. It is strange, pursued he, that while I love Rosamund Oliver so wildly,


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[Assistant] The object of which is exquisitely beautiful, graceful and fascinating


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[Assistant] I experienced at the same time a calm, unwarped consciousness that she would not make me a good wife, that she is not the partner suited to me, that I should discover this within a year after marriage, and that to twelve months' rapture would succeed a lifetime of regret. This I know. Strange indeed, I could not help ejaculating.


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[Assistant] While something in me, he went on, is acutely sensible to her charms, something else is as deeply impressed with her defects. They are such that they could sympathise in nothing I aspire to, co-operate in nothing I undertook. Rosamund a sufferer, a labourer, a female apostle, Rosamund a missionary's wife. No. But you need not be a missionary. You might relinquish that scheme. Relinquish? What?


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[Assistant] My vocation, my great work, my foundation laid on earth for a mansion in heaven, my hopes of being numbered in the band


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[Assistant] Who have merged all ambitions in the glorious one of bettering their race.


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[Assistant] Of carrying knowledge into the realms of ignorance, of substituting peace for war, freedom for bondage, religion for superstition, the hope of heaven for the fear of hell. Must I relinquish that? It is dearer than the blood in my veins. It is what I have to look forward to and to live for.


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[Assistant] After a considerable pause, I said, And Miss Oliver, are her disappointment and sorrow of no interest to you?


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[Assistant] Miss Oliver is ever surrounded by suitors and flatterers. In less than a month my image will be effaced from her heart. She will forget me, and will marry, probably, someone who will make her far happier than I should do.


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[Assistant] If I get a little thin it is with anxiety about my prospects, yet unsettled. My departure continually procrastinated. Only this morning I received intelligence.


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[Assistant] That the successor, whose arrival I have been so long expecting, cannot be ready to replace me for three months to come yet, and perhaps the three months may extend to six.


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[Assistant] And now to that, the end of your friendship. He counted his life as finished.


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[Assistant] I saw that. That was fun. So we're thrilled to have Jason Lloyd from the Athletic in his place. I'm Jay Crawford coming up later in the show. We're going to talk about something that if it happened two years ago in college football,


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[Assistant] The college football universe would have exploded, but now it's commonplace. It's happening at Ohio State and we'll talk about that later in the show. Brad, what do you got today?


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[Assistant] It feels like we're coming to a big reckoning in college. They better write the rules. Whatever they're going to do, they better decide what's legal and what is.


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[Assistant] Seriously. No, we don't need a salary cap. I thought that this morning as I was researching to see how much some of these schools have. If you don't put a salary cap in place, it's gonna be mayhem and there's gonna be about 10 teams that compete and everybody else will be the also rants.


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[Assistant] Even the pros have a salary cap, kinda, sorta.


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[Assistant] I thought they jumped into the pool before they checked the water. They're trying to build the plane in flight at the same time.


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[Assistant] Alright, let's jump into the show, shall we? Uhm, Accuser number 24 is coming today. Do we know, have the papers been filed yet? Jason, do you know? Or is it, it's expected to be filed today?


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[Assistant] Yeah, I meant to check just before we went on. As of about 9 o'clock this morning, it had not been filed, but they're a little bit behind us in Houston. So the 24th accuser is coming today. We know the 23rd happened last week.


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[Assistant] And actually opened a can that he didn't need to open, and I'm not sure anybody, legal community or sports community, could figure out why exactly he said what he said. If you haven't heard it, listen carefully and ask yourself, is this the guy you want representing you? Here it is. Stevie?


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[Assistant] You're taking 23rd, 24th. Your lawyer puts his foot in it.


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[Assistant] And now he, okay, so I want to get to his cleanup comment, but before we read that quote, can we have Steve and Mikey, can we have the Busby response? So this is what Harden has done now in terms of how this case might play out. Busby says, he may have single-handedly lost his client.


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[Assistant] The case, because I'm absolutely going to use that comment because I think it speaks volumes to how he, his team, and his client think about the massage industry.


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[Assistant] What would affect his suspension? Well, let's, let's, uhm, the hardened cleanup. So after, I can only imagine. I'm telling you.


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[Assistant] Just to Brad's point and to your point, I don't think that that's gonna swing whether this case is won or lost. But I will say, if you're putting things in either Deshawn's camp or in Busby's camp, this certainly is ammo for Busby if it goes to trial. I'm gonna ask you guys, remind me to ask you guys the payoff question here after we read this because


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[Assistant] I was using the term hypothetically and not describing Deshaun's case. I have reiterated to others it's not okay to do anything that a woman does not


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[Assistant] Agreed to. Even though in his soundbite he said, making someone uncomfortable is not against the law.


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[Assistant] And perhaps someone else on the team, maybe the woman who spoke to HBO Sports, who I thought was incredibly buttoned up, maybe she becomes the lead dog here, but I don't think you want Rusty Harden arguing this case.


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[Assistant] Well, if you, if you take into account that he is a top five quarterback in the NFL, I think that people are watching this with interest. I don't think they're scouring the internet for the latest every day. We are. Right. But I don't think, I don't think nationally that's going on, but I think that there,


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[Assistant] A lot of eyeballs are on this case, in particular I think on the NFL, to see what they do. Last week we floated the idea that Charles Robinson had said, and he's a Yahoo reporter who seems to be plugged into this story somehow.


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[Assistant] He made the, the, the point on his podcast, I believe late last week that, you know, he believes it could be a year and he believes the Browns are preparing for it to be a year. That kind of, I raised my eyebrows when I heard that.


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[Assistant] Jason, let me ask you your own question. What do you think happened in the day after Manfred came out with two years? It was really three. Four. It is three because he lost last year after June or July, whatever. What do you think the conversations were?


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[Assistant] On Park Avenue in the NFL offices when that news came out because I was shocked by that and I said immediately, this puts the NFL in a real spot.


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[Assistant] Okay, uhm, we're gonna move on to our next topic. Before I do, one quick question will blast around the panel. The percentage of chance that you think this court or this, this case ever ends up in a courtroom? 10%.


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[Assistant] Guardians, right? Wow. Five of six now. This team has won. Now I know they're beating bad teams, they're supposed to. But yesterday, yesterday was an interesting game because they get three runs in the first inning on a Jimenez home run and then the bats just completely went to sleep.


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[Assistant] Please Zach was great. Pitched six innings. I think he gave up two runs. I thought one of the stories pitching wise for the Indians or the Guardians yesterday.


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[Assistant] Even though it took us two or three of his outings before we could remember his name was Morgan, because I kept saying the young kid with the great stuff, Eli Morgan, we know his name now. They were great yesterday. They've won five of six. They're a game behind 500 and they're four and a half now out of first place in second place.


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[Assistant] When you watch him pitch, you're like, not that he's violent, like, you know, I don't think he's a Clevenger, but he's so violent.


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[Assistant] I know he did, and I'm so I'm worried that, you know. He missed a lot of time.


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[Assistant] Is he on? Tim's here. Tim Couch is on. Alright, so let's bring Tim on. And Mike, Mike McNuggets, you have something that you want to bring him in with. Sup, Tim.


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[Assistant] The big Browns conversation earlier was, and I don't know if you followed the comments over the weekend, but Rusty Harden should probably work pro bono for D'Shawn Watson because we're not sure if he's helping his case or hurting his case. Did you hear those comments? Are you comfortable enough commenting on what he said Friday and how we tried to clean it up?


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[Assistant] Yes. He just wants all this to go away. Now, I will say, Tim, he tried to clean it up. Here's how he tried to clean it up. And this we're presuming happened after Deshaun.


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[Assistant] Tim is so nice. He's one of the nicest people I've ever met.


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[Assistant] I know you're being, I know you're being nice, but I think I know Tim well enough where when he saw that number, he, don't let me put words in your mouth, but I'm imagining you had to look to make sure that you read that number right.


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[Assistant] And you've got one of the highest paid defensive backs in the league, one of the highest paid defensive linemen in the league. They've never had cap issues before, but it's coming.


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[Assistant] It looks like this to me. I'm trying to do the gymnastics in my head saying, wait, why would they do this?


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[Assistant] 28 millions guaranteed. So essentially, if they're not happy after two years and they were going to pay him this year anyhow on the, on the tag. Right. So essentially it's like two tag years. And after two years, if he hasn't, if you haven't done it after seven years, it's not coming.


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[Assistant] And I, and I, and I've had these conversations with Tim off the air too. And I can tell you, cause I, Tim, I never told you this, but I had had a number of people ask me,


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[Assistant] Is that BS? Is that an act? Tim acting like he's all cool with Cleveland? I go, no, it's not. It's genuinely who he is. Does he wish his time here would have gone better? Of course he does. Does he feel like maybe he didn't get the most fair shake? Absolutely, and he should. But uhm,


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[Assistant] In all of our private conversations, he's always been nothing but, hey man, they gave me an opportunity, they paid me well for my time there, it didn't work out, but I'm not going to look back, I'm only looking forward, and that's why


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[Assistant] Tim's, uh, Tim, Tim don't know this, but a lot of people don't know this, but Tim's more successful in business after life than he was as an athlete. And this was one of the greatest high school athletes of all time. It's voted on by ESPN for crying out loud. They're not wrong on anything.


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[Assistant] Yeah, back to his answer on Baker, because they kind of are, their careers have been very, very similar.


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[Assistant] I hope, it's my hope. I don't wish any ill will on Baker Mayfield. I really don't. He gave us some great memories.


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[Assistant] I hope he usurps some of that maturity that Tim has always had. Tim had it when he was coming into the league as a 22 year old kid.


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[Assistant] I hope that Baker can, because it seems like...


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[Assistant] He just stiff arms all the good advice. Like he already knows better. He doesn't need, and he could really, uh, I think he could help himself out both in, he's still in the middle of his career.


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[Assistant] He can, he can show teams that I'm ready to grow from this and move on. Cause if he continues to show that he hasn't grown up.


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[Assistant] Then he's giving teams across the league a reason not to go get him.


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[Assistant] I don't see that happening. Hey Tim, uhm, I know you wanted to talk about Jacoby Brousset. He might be...


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[Assistant] The, the low key most important player on this Brown's roster coming into the season because we don't know. And I think there's every anticipation that there will be some kind of suspension and I think there's most expected that would happen before the season begins. That puts an incredible amount of pressure on a guy that


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[Assistant] Once upon a time, he had a pretty good season with the Coles. If he has to guide this ship for a number of games, six, where are the Browns and what are your thoughts on Jacoby?


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[Assistant] Hey listen, a couple of weeks ago, Mike Polk played a game with us on the show and we, I don't think we've laughed so hard on this set. The game was former Brown's quarterback or stock mechanic photo.


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[Assistant] And so we're going to show you now, he gave us 19 and we looked at them and we had to decide, was this a quarterback or was this a mechanic? So we're going to play that game with you. I promise.


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[Assistant] But here's the thing, I want, I want Tim to give his guess first. Yes. Being a former Browns quarterback, I think guys, it could happen where he goes like two and three.


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[Assistant] Well, when we, I think we didn't play this game with Joe Thomas, but Joe Thomas told the story about the game in Pittsburgh one year when a third string quarterback came in and he actually had to introduce himself to the quarterback. I'm your left tackle, I'm Joe Thomas. He didn't know who the guy was.


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[Assistant] Alright, so Tim, before we let you go, let us in on a day in the life of Tim Couch. You got the golf shirt on there. You're probably gonna kick it for 18, I'm guessing. I know you're gonna get a workout in. Like, what is the average day in the life of Tim Couch?


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[Assistant] Oh man. Hey, good for you though. Good for you. Now you have, you have two boys, right? Yep.


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[Assistant] Okay, now are they, is football their primary sport? Do they, do they do it all? Because you were, did you win Mr. Basketball in Kentucky or no? Because you should have if you didn't.


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[Assistant] So have they kind of fallen into football as being their primary sport or do they like basketball too?


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[Assistant] Well, that's a good thing. And uhm, you know, continue to success to them and congrats to your boy. I know that's the first one's always a big deal because you can sort of say, okay, now the floodgates open. Mcnuggets has a question for you, Tim, before we let you go.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he really did. I remember, so before he got the cover of Madden,


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[Assistant] I can't remember who he was a finalist with. Maybe an OBJ.


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[Assistant] And I said, is he coming off a great year? Like, I can't imagine he's gonna win.


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[Assistant] Well, he was a great, he was fun. He was a fun interview. But uhm, yeaah, he was, and after that, it was the Madden curse for real. I mean, he definitely didn't have a year that ever approached that. Tim, hit him straight, enjoy your day, live the life we all want to live and wish we could. Because I know you do. I appreciate it, guys.


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[Assistant] All industries have mentorship programs and


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[Assistant] I've benefited greatly from it in my career and I've tried to pay it forward to others where I can and I think sometimes these kids come in


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[Assistant] They've had their feet kissed wherever they've gone. The ground has been a hole that they've walked on. And I am beyond fascinated.


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[Assistant] To see how this Baker Mayfield movie plays out. I will watch his career with great interest whether it's Seattle or Carolina, wherever he goes. Was this a one hit wonder?


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[Assistant] Was he a fluke or is there something there? The one thing that I've learned, I think we've all learned from Baker Mayfield is he loves more than anything when people give up on him. When people tell him you can't do it, we've quit. I mean, what he did at Oklahoma, I know you say he's just a guy, but what he did at Oklahoma was remarkable.


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[Assistant] He goes there as a walk-on, gets the starting job, wins the high-speed trophy.


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[Assistant] Yeah, Hertz was after. Well, immediately after. Was Kyler. And he won the Heisman too. Yeah, back to back. Which is crazy.


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[Assistant] I am watching with great interest to see, you know, what he becomes. Is he a run-of-the-mill guy? Was he overrated? Will he never start again? Oh, he'll start again. I think he'll start again.


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[Assistant] Right, and so. And I think Baker could benefit from someone like that in his life. Absolutely could. Whether it's Tim. You gotta want that.


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[Assistant] Because I was hoping that the answer would be yes. I was actually in the room a few times when Baker and Tim were talking. And I was just a fly on the wall. I was like, this is an unbelievable conversation. And I was also fortunate enough to see Baker and Bernie.


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[Assistant] Talking. And I gotta tell you, I know that you would tend to think that Baker would stiff arm all that stuff, but he did listen. He paid them, I thought the respect and the, you know, I thought he was very respectful to them. And he asked them questions and he seemed to be genuinely interested. Now whether or not he was, and that was just an act, I don't know.


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[Assistant] Did you find young players that were coming into the NBA when you were a veteran? Did you find that they were more or less likely to seek out that advice than you were when you came in?


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[Assistant] The ones that are the real people, like Tim, those are the ones that seem to do better in the afterlife than the ones that... Yeah, Jared Allen seems like a good guy, so none of that is surprising.


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[Assistant] Good. Alright, we're gonna take a break on The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. A lot to get to when we come back, including this deal that we talked about to start the show is, does college football need a salary cap? Would that fix some of these NIL problems? We'll discuss that and more when The Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show comes right back.


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[Assistant] Hi, my name is Jay Crawford. I am a lifelong Cleveland sports fan. I have carried my fandom every city I've ever lived in.


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[Assistant] Hi, my name is Jay Crawford. I'm a lifelong Cleveland sports fan. My favorite all-time Cleveland sports moment. You're not going to believe this. It was Rajay Davis's home run in game seven that tied the score.


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[Assistant] Alright, we're back on the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. Uhm, we're gonna get to the Ohio State, Ohio State, the college football disaster that's going on over there in just a little bit.


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[Assistant] I don't know how this topic came up, but somehow we decided we were going to talk about- I made it up. I thought it would be a good middle of the summer hypothetical. Alright, beautiful. Well, it's a good idea. One-hit wonders in Cleveland's sports history. Man, we've had a lot of them. Now, we've had a lot of no-hit wonders, but we have had a number of memorable one-hit wonders. Um, Bull, why don't you start us off? Who's your guy?


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[Assistant] All is good. I think you take the cake. I love that Alex Cole one. Mine is an obvious one for anybody my age. Joe Charbonneau.


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[Assistant] Joe Scherbino was the rookie of the year in 1980. He had a tremendous year. He hit 289, 23 homers and 87 ribs. I didn't need that graphic by the way.


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[Assistant] That was the years when you memorized the back of a guy's baseball card. That's synergy, Jay. I know. I didn't, I didn't know you were building that. And he can open beer bottles with his eyes. He opened beer bottles with his eyes. He once got stabbed in a fight. He gave himself stitches after cutting himself. And guys, he played


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[Assistant] There's not another American League rookie of the year that's played that few games. So I mean, he hit... Bob Hamlin, remember him? I do remember him. Kevin Maas, we talked about him last week. Pat Listache. These guys come, but he did it for a year at an all-star level. He was an all-star.


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[Assistant] And he really came from nowhere. It's not like he was this heralded prospect that everybody was waiting on. He was a guy in the system. And the next thing you know, Super Joe Charbonneau. There was a song on the radio about him. Fans loved him. He dyed his hair at a time when no one did that.


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[Assistant] And he only played 14 games. He d- I know. I mean- The bad quarterbacks. Nobody does that. Yeah. Nobody does that. And-


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[Assistant] Obviously the marijuana issues, you know, you gotta be available, but throughout the rest of his career,


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[Assistant] He never had another season where he had at least 800 yards received. No, he ruined his, I mean, the rules and he ruined his.


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[Assistant] Braylon Edwards? Yeaah, he's another guy that I consider putting him on my list.


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[Assistant] When Derrick Anderson was having that All Pro year, I think, I think Edwards had like 18 touchdowns or something that year. It was an extraordinary number of touchdowns.


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[Assistant] That's a great answer. And lastly, Booby Gibson for sure. One very good game in the Fox.


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[Assistant] Booby does qualify, no doubt. Booby qualifies as a footnote to that team that LeBron took to the finals, somehow, someway.


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[Assistant] College football, what a mess they've made of this thing. So Ryan Day, if you haven't been following this, Ryan Day did something late last week that if he had done it two years ago,


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[Assistant] He would have been banished from college football forever. I mean, remember what we did to Jim Tressel? For pants? For nothing!


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[Assistant] He called a hundred members of the OSU football community. Big money people in Columbus. He brought them all together.


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[Assistant] And he basically told them, here's what we need from you.


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[Assistant] $13 million to pay our players. If we don't get that, it's going to be impossible to keep our roster intact.


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[Assistant] Thirteen million dollars. Now, last year, OSU athletes combined made three and a half million in NIL deals. That number, by the way, is going to be dwarfed every year moving forward. But here's part of what Ryan Day had to say to this hundred


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[Assistant] I'm just trying to be transparent about what we're dealing with. So guys, that number, that 13 million number, some look at that and say, you're not gonna put a team together for 13 million.


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[Assistant] Texas A&M and McNuggets knows this because he was just working there not long ago. I've heard estimates that their pool


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[Assistant] I don't think anybody has a problem with it. It's just so jarring to me that that's where we are. Because again, two years ago, could you imagine a head coach standing in front of a bunch of boosters and saying, guys, we need 13 mil to pay our guys?


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[Assistant] No caption or nothing to me. Well, aren't we gonna Brad have a haves and haves nots? We already do. And the haves, yea, but the haves are gonna be a handful.


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[Assistant] Nobody has the oil money. Then why weren't Texas getting good players before when they were all paying under the table? Well, because it wasn't open and out and free for everybody to do. There were some rules that they had to follow. Were those rules skirted? Of course they were. But you weren't giving players Lamborghinis. One of these players, is it Tech? One of the players has a deal with Lamborghini.


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[Assistant] I think the problem is, Jason's point of, if you're going to start giving an 18 year old running back in Texas a Lamborghini, and you don't see anything wrong with that, I think what we're talking about is parameters.


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[Assistant] And even to your point, it's better that they're doing it now, but what they did was they just said floodgates open, wild, wild west, go have at it. And that is going to lead to all kinds of unintended consequences. And you know what? It's not sustainable and they know that. Change is coming.


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[Assistant] Well, I just read an article this morning that said these NIL deals that are going to be contested will go down one after another after another.


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[Assistant] In other words, like, there are, the SEC is...


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[Assistant] I think they're gonna be most impacted by this as a conference, but I think what we're gonna see is these Texas schools are going to become the Yankees.


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[Assistant] But in a way that we don't even see, like, the Yankees and the Dodgers haven't pulled away from the pack. In college football,


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[Assistant] I think the structure of the sport is if, if you have unlimited funds to pay these players, if they have a $30 million pool and most of the other universities have fewer than a $3 million pool, the disparity is going to be so great that in the interest of competitive balance, you can't have that ball.


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[Assistant] The advantage that most schools have is tradition based, right?


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[Assistant] Because the problems that are going to come along with, with no limits to this spending,


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[Assistant] I think our, you're gonna blow up the old model of whatever, there is some competitive balance. Every year, if you can tell me two teams that are gonna win the national championship and you're right every year, I'll tell you, well then there's no competitive balance.


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[Assistant] And the reason Nick Saban is seeing red in Alabama is because he knows that despite their


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[Assistant] Nobody is. Nobody is. I'm looking at the game and I think that's what you're looking at too. Like if the sport becomes, college basketball to me has fallen so far off my radar.


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[Assistant] It's, and it's, I think a lot of people will tell you it's not what it used to be because you can't follow the players. They're in, they're out, and now they're transferring and you're like, wait, you know, you need a syllabus to keep up with all this. I just think that college football is going to become


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[Assistant] College basketball part two, if there's no limits put on it soon.


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[Assistant] I'm all for capitalism. I'm for capitalism too, but if you're trying to protect the sport of college football, I think they should look at college basketball as the cautionary tale.


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[Assistant] And I think that my, my fear is 10 years from now because everybody will tell you college football will look nothing like it does now. But I don't think it will be ever, ever as popular as it's been the last decade.


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[Assistant] Then it's fine. It's a totally different subject. Why? Because what you're looking at now, what you're facing now is if you have five or six schools in Texas that are just outspending everyone else.


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[Assistant] They played a role like they will, but they're not going to do it. Let me make a statement. You tell me if I'm completely wrong. I think that when the NIL topic was first broached, the universities were like, wow, does this let us off the hook?


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[Assistant] Because we're going to a pay for play model, and now we don't have to write the checks. Let's let Bobs Buick write the checks.


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[Assistant] I mean, Kelly just left a great situation at Notre Dame.


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[Assistant] Wasn't good enough, so we went to LSU where the grass was literally greener. With green as in money.


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[Assistant] Let's reconvene in 2032 if we continue to have these NILs like Wild Wild West and we'll talk about


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[Assistant] What's happened to the popularity of football over the last, college football over the last 10 years? I do not want to see that college football become college basketball. It's going to be.


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[Assistant] So when you say equity, let me ask you this. Do you mean all division one athletes that play football get a $6,000 a month stipend?


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[Assistant] Yeah, and by the way, there's only a handful of this kid, right? I mean, there's one Lamborghini deal that I've heard of. That's the running back of Texas. Yeah, Ohio State date estimates that to keep their quarterback, they need 2 million. He said the price for an offensive lineman, a top tier offensive lineman and a top


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[Assistant] And then top five, we're gonna have a good bet. We're gonna run through these, so. So, yeah, let's go. We got a lot to cover. Darius Garland had a free basketball camp. He's putting on three camps. Um, one's in Nashville. Uh, I think there's another one coming up in Indiana.


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[Assistant] He had one over the weekend here in the Cleveland area and I was thrilled to see that a lot of kids showed up. We went out, we, uh, decided that we were going to sit down and we, this was 60 seconds with Darius Garland, right? Yea, 90 seconds. 90 seconds. Alright, anything else we need to know? Listen and enjoy. Alright, here it is.


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[Assistant] Okay, so what are you? I don't use any of them. None? None. You're an alien.


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[Assistant] You know, G. Bush said he was sick today. I heard he's out running 10 miles.


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[Assistant] I don't know if that's actually. We'll see. He's taking this very seriously. Thursday when I'm telling you, I don't know that that's how he hurt himself, but Thursday he was throwing a lot of weight around in there. He hurt himself.


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[Assistant] You know what was interesting to me last night? Draymond, I thought was the reason that the Warriors lost game one. He was terrible. I just thought he was... Bad shot. Not just that he was terrible, but that three that he took, when the game was still in the balance in the fourth quarter, that was the last shot you would have drawn up.


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[Assistant] And he, and he had no problem jacking that shot up. Jack went up last night? He did, but what I thought, I thought the difference last night was, and he set the tone right away.


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[Assistant] He was saying, okay, I can't score. I can still do a lot of other things. I can rebound. But what he does best is to get under people's skin.


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[Assistant] And I think he established from jump last night, there was a play very early in the game. I think he got a tie up and they, and, and forced a jump ball or something. And I'm like, oh, okay. And if we see that guy for 48 minutes, Boston will blink.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, I know you say they're old, but when I watched that third quarter, the second half of the third quarter, I'm like, they are old, but they can.


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[Assistant] No, no, no. Some people are looking for a chance to knock him. Well, I think what the argument is, is he a top 5 all time? No. Top 10. Let's get into the top 10 before we get to the top 5. Okay, top 10. Even top 10. I think for some, they would look at that and say, the guy was never a finals MVP. He's definitely not a top 10.


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[Assistant] No, but I think there are guys that are willing to, if he, if he ends up winning bookend championships at Golden State without KD.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's, I mean, you're talking about all time. And here's the other thing too. We don't know. We look at him and say, well, he's at the end of his career, but what he does,


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[Assistant] Yeah, today, no. No. But because his story is still being written, and he could add, he could add two or three. And if he does, I think he solidifies a top 10 spot.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I know, yeah. And I thought a lot about this when I went back and forth a million times, but...


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[Assistant] You don't think he can duplicate it. He's been injured a lot. I don't think he's, no. I'm just worried that the Guardians play so well against the crappy team.


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[Assistant] But when they start playing good competition, I'm, I'm like, yeah, I don't know. The Rangers aren't good. By the way, have you seen what the Yankees are doing? Oh, they're absurd. You talk about inequity. Yeah.


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[Assistant] They're running away with it. They're like 41 and 17 or something.


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[Assistant] Yeah, hey, that's not a bad, that's not a bad policy. Alright, we're gonna take a break, we're gonna come back, we're gonna do final takes, then we're gonna say goodbye. See you in a minute. Final takes are next.


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[Assistant] My name is Jay Crawford. I am a lifelong Cleveland sports fan. I have carried my fandom every city I've ever lived in.


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[Assistant] Hi, my name is Jay Crawford. I'm a lifelong Cleveland sports fan. My favorite all-time Cleveland sports moment. You're not going to believe this. It was Rajay Davis's home run in game seven that tied the score.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that alarm bell's been going off for 15 years. Here's what they always will have in their favor. There's no substitute for going to a baseball game.


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[Assistant] It's outdoors, and the attendance has held, thankfully. But the TV deals and all that money, that's gonna be a shrinking pot every year. Jason, what do you got?


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[Assistant] But. So let's watch how quickly he can ad-lib one.


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[Assistant] Go talk to 14 year old kids about their favorite sport to play.


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[Assistant] It's the fastest sport on foot. It's non-stop action. It's a lot like soccer. And kids are leaving baseball in droves to play that. And they've already got the eye hand catching throwing stick.


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[Assistant] I believe that if, if, if the ownership wants it, they need to come forward with the vast majority of it. Not 51%. It's their team. They take the risk. They get the rewards. You buy it.


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[Assistant] I do think Buffalo is a bit of an anomaly just because of their fan base and what the situation was there with their old stadium.


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[Assistant] Alright, I'm gonna be short and sweet. Uh, Bull, you've had this conversation, uh, you and I've had this conversation about the announcers and whether or not they drive the games. Uhm,