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[Assistant] Anyway, let's jump into this one here. And this speaks about the linebacker depth about the black and gold here. A lot of people simply don't belong or believe in Zach.


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[Assistant] Bon's ability. Me personally, I like Zach Bon. I think Zach Bon has potential.


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[Assistant] I think the Saints are banking on Zach Barnes potential in the final year of his contract.


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[Assistant] I really do think that the black and gold brass believe that Zach Bourne could have a Kate and Ellis style year. I really do think that they believe that. Do I believe in what they believe? No, you're going to have to show me. You're going to have to show me. You're going to have to show me. Let me hit the button on that. Y'all know it.


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[Assistant] Show me, but in the end, I do like Zach Bourne a lot. I think Zach Bourne is very talented, but like a lot of who that nation understands that you're going to have to show them. So their criticism is not.


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[Assistant] You know, unjustified because we really haven't seen a lot.


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[Assistant] But, there is a potential, a small chance that he could have a season similar.


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[Assistant] Or get a very productive season, like we seen out of the Kate Nellis, which was special, but let's get into this one right here.


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[Assistant] On this a while ago, Quan Alexander is still out there. A lot of the Jets media is pushing for the Jets to re-sign Quan Alexander. Remember, he signed there. He left here, and we covered this before. The Saints didn't, uh, cut or release him. But, you know, well, what happened was,


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[Assistant] Dennis Allen went to Zach Bourne, I mean to Quan Alexander, pardon me.


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[Assistant] And told him, listen, Pete Werner is going to be our future linebacker. You're going to be our third linebacker. You'll rotate in, you know, you know, and back up these guys. Quan Alexander said no.


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[Assistant] He said he was looking to get the multiple year deal that he was.


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[Assistant] Searching out for that kind of contract he had early in this year.


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[Assistant] I don't think Quine Alexander won't, will ever get that kind of agreement.


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[Assistant] You know, he finally went to the Jets after looking around the Jets gave him a one year deal. It was at just over 1.2 mil.


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[Assistant] And he played about 16 games or so, I think for the Jets, more games that he played in a while for us.


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[Assistant] And he played pretty decently. He had like 60 something tackles, I want to say. That year.


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[Assistant] So bringing Quan back makes a lot of sense because he won't cost you a lot of money. The only question is.


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[Assistant] Would he be open to coming back to New Orleans in a reserve role because it hadn't changed? The situation hadn't changed about him.


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[Assistant] You know, in terms of him being a starter, it's still DeMario Davis and Pete Werner. But if injuries happen.


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[Assistant] You'll be in there starting and he could work his way into a payday perhaps.


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[Assistant] Just imagine if Quan and this is just how fast things happen. Imagine if Quan Alexander would have said, yeah, I'm going to stay with New Orleans, right? He stays with New Orleans. Pete Werner gets hurt, right? He balls out. He becomes a free agent and then he gets a big contract from another team. He gets a multiple year deal from another team.


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[Assistant] So that's what I was saying, if Quentin Alexander would have stayed place, he would have ultimately gotten the money, maybe not from us, but perhaps a division rival would have gave him that bread. I don't think he'll still be.


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[Assistant] Out there right now, but this could be something interesting because to bring him here and have him here


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[Assistant] Behind a Pete Werner who's suffered from injuries wouldn't be a bad thing, but will he be receptive to that? You know?


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[Assistant] Cause, cause that's the thing, cause he didn't let, he didn't leave ugly.


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[Assistant] You know, but would he be receptive to that sort of thing? Let's, let's cover it.


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[Assistant] Count down the days until training camp. Saints locked and loaded for the upcoming season. Team looking pretty much set, but they could bring in an old friend.


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[Assistant] 28-year-old Quine Alexander, Sydney Fradries. It could be an excellent addition to the team.


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[Assistant] He joined the team back in 2020 and he was traded to the Saints for Kiko Alonzo. You remember that? And a conditional fifth round pick found instant success starting seven of seven games that he played.


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[Assistant] Yeah, he played the next season 8 of 12 games and was cut in 21 to save salary. He played last season for the Jets.


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[Assistant] With the fellow Demario Davis, he was phenomenal next to Demario Davis. He really was.


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[Assistant] He was phenomenal next to Demario Davis. Like I said, he was released.


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[Assistant] Because he didn't want to take a backup role to Zach Bowen. Had he said yes, I'm telling you he would have got his money from somebody if it's not us. It would have been a divisional rival. I promise you that much. The Saints had one of the best linebacker duels.


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[Assistant] In football, Pete Werner and DiMario Davis are absolute game records. However, the rest of the team's linebackers are unproven. Alexander could be a solid depth piece.


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[Assistant] When Alexander was insane, he had 18 blitz attempts.


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[Assistant] On those 18 attempts to form a fourth round pick at eight QB pressures at a bare minimum.


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[Assistant] The former LSU Tiger will provide the energy and excitement in the locker room and also won't cost the team a ton of money to sign.


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[Assistant] Making a rather easy acquisition for the team. Do you think Saints will bring quality then?


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[Assistant] I would, it is a possibility. Anything's possible, right? The saints, now listen.


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[Assistant] Like I said, we're stopping Aquan Alexander from coming here, right?


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[Assistant] He left, the saints released him because he didn't want to take the reserve role to back up Pete Werner. Had he stayed, like I said, he would have, he would have bawled out.


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[Assistant] And he would have more than likely got a contract from a division rival or somebody who gave him a multi-year deal. So Stan put was probably a good thing for him to do.


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[Assistant] But he bounced. He got the 1.2 from the Jets. Now he's looking for a home. It is quite possible.


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[Assistant] For Quine Alexander to find his way down here. The only question I have is, is Quine Alexander mindset changed?


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[Assistant] And he wants a multiple year deal. That's why he left.


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[Assistant] You know, he gave the saints after that, the saints released him, you know, he had the contract and then they brought him back on a cheaper deal. He signed a cheaper deal.


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[Assistant] But ultimately the game plan for Quan was get a multiple year contract from somebody.


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[Assistant] The Saints say, hey, we love you, we want you here, but you know, can you play behind Pete Werner? Pete Werner's really good. So.


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[Assistant] That's the question to Quan, I'm asking. Quan, bro, that's your...


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[Assistant] Have your expectations change? I know you want to be a starter, but are you willing?


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[Assistant] You come back to the saints because the situation hadn't changed. If they do, uh, or interested in you, you know, being there.


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[Assistant] You're not right away going to be like with, if let's say Quine signs tomorrow, he will be in a competition.


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[Assistant] Right. And also we talk about, is Quine willing to do that? The bigger question is,


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[Assistant] Are the saints really looking at Quana Alexander?


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[Assistant] It appears to me that the Saints feel totally comfortable with what we have at the linebacker position.


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[Assistant] And if injuries occur, I'm pretty sure they'll change that. That's the big sticking point, but you don't go the entire off season up into this point late in free agency.


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[Assistant] And they still have some decent linebackers. Kwan Alexander will be cheap for you.


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[Assistant] And you go in here and look and you have Zach Boyne, you bring back Andrew Dowell, right? You have Zach Boyne there in his last year. You still have DeMarco, uh, Jackson there, right? So you got DeMarco there who the saints are really big on. Are they saying, Hey man,


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[Assistant] We like DeMarco, DeMarco guy, you know, we, we like him what he could be.


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[Assistant] And we have young guys like Anthony Orji and Nick Anderson that's sitting back there and we're comfortable and cool with those guys.


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[Assistant] You see a flurry of moves leading up to the camp when guys that we thought were going to be there, some of these undrafted guys, the Saints decide, you know, let me go and release them and bring in a veteran or two. They do this a lot every off season. So it's worth watching out for, but having Quan Alexander here is a big plus.


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[Assistant] I would definitely, if I'm the saints, I would be entertaining that option. But then again,


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[Assistant] I really do think that they believe in Zach Bowen that he can be, have a, he can have a similar


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[Assistant] I think they look at Zach Bourne as a person that can have a similar progression as Kay Nellis did last year.


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[Assistant] I, you know, that's, that's what it appears like that they see. And DeMarco, you know, is the fifth round draft pick out of Appalachian State. He's another guy that they want to see, you know, what, what could this young man do? Could Quine be a guy that's in their way?


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[Assistant] You know, for those guys that develop and they want to see a younger option.


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[Assistant] Even though Quan is cheap at whatever one million dollar contract is, these other guys are cheaper than him.


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[Assistant] So it'll be interesting to see how it all fits me personally. I think the Saints should definitely look into it because.


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[Assistant] Is those questions are bound, like are the saints looking at Quan Alexander? Are they feeling like they're comfortable at the linebacker position? They can do what they do.


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[Assistant] And then the other question is, does Quan Alexander accept the role that he left here? You know?


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[Assistant] Does he accept the role that he left here from the go to the Jets to get and die? He's a free agent again. Did his mind change there? That's the big question there. So ultimately man, you know,


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[Assistant] This is all, this will all be looked upon because I think Juan Alexander.


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[Assistant] Eventually, over the next couple of weeks, he could very well be signed to a team, whether it's the Jets, and they're advocating for him to come back. Players on the team want Kwon Alexander back.


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[Assistant] So if he pulls a, you know, and, and goes somewhere else looking for the money, we'll know over the next 10 to 14 days or so what, what, what happens with Quine Alexander. So.


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[Assistant] We'll just have to see on that, right? Well, y'all put, y'all let me know how y'all feel. Put it in the chat. Let me know how you guys feel. I know y'all want Quan Alexander back, but what about the mentality that Quan had when he left? Did that change?


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[Assistant] You know, does he feel like, hey man, I ain't sitting behind that guy, I'm better than that guy.


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[Assistant] Or do the saints feel like, hey man, uh, we cool. We don't need the Quine Alexander. Zach Bourne and DeMarco Jackson is fine.


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[Assistant] Get ready to get out on that. Shout out to Cam Jordan. Happy birthday to that brother on that. He was the star of the show today.


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[Assistant] Uh, as he talked about issues with the edge rushing, we went over that. We also talked about things adding a new analytical person. We also talked about.


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[Assistant] The middle class quarterback in terms of tiers in the NFL and car.


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[Assistant] The snippet of from the Richard Sherman show.


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[Assistant] About Chris Olavi's thoughts on Derek Carr. So that was also.


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[Assistant] Put in there as well. So with that being said, fam, we're going to get, get ready to get out on that. Listen, I appreciate you guys for chiming on this episode of the show.


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[Assistant] Episode of the coma will cover some more, man. I can't wait. It's getting closer and closer to the season. We'll have an announcement or two to make.


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[Assistant] Uh, videos that would be breaking down the Saints rooms. So it'll be pretty cool, man, as we get closer and closer to the seats. So with that being said.


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[Assistant] I really started in 1999, you know, I was living in Vrindavan and I came back to the United States.


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[Assistant] And needed to find a way to engage. I had been living in the ashram for 30 years and so trying to figure out how can I


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[Assistant] Do something to make a living and also, uh, you know, maintain my bhakti path, you know, to


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[Assistant] Find some work that really resonated with, uh, my religious practice, bhakti.


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[Assistant] So I went to seminary, I did all kinds of study and uhm, finally ended up in Yuma, Arizona on the Mexican border.


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[Assistant] Doing a one year residency at the Yuma Regional Medical Center.


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[Assistant] What I had been practicing up until now wasn't truly bhakti. I had totally missed the peace.


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[Assistant] About, uh, being compassionate on human suffering, because I hadn't really seen


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[Assistant] So much suffering living in an ashram, it's very protected in a way, you know, it's a very insulated and isolating kind of circumstance.


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[Assistant] And after 30 years of that, coming back out and working in an emergency room where you have every kind of suffering coming through that door.


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[Assistant] It became overwhelming, you know, that, oh my goodness, this is what we are here to try and rehabilitate.


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[Assistant] You know, so I had a lot of work that year on myself to come to terms with.


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[Assistant] Uh, my own misunderstanding or let's say neophyte or immature understanding of spiritual life at that moment.


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[Assistant] So that's where I started and that took me to a seminary at Claremont School of Theology and a professor who


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[Assistant] Asked us a question in class, which was, where is the scariest place you can imagine having to provide pastoral care or compassionate care to? What population?


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[Assistant] And I didn't know what she was gonna do with that, but I wrote down on my paper, children who are victims of burns. And so then we passed our paper in and.


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[Assistant] And, uh, she said, okay, now the assignment is all of you, whatever you put on that paper, have to go to that place and sit and ponder what your theology has to offer comfort in terms of comfort to these people.


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[Assistant] So, I went to the Los Angeles Children's Shriner's Burn Hospital.


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[Assistant] And when I got there, there was a woman who came out who I'd spoken on the phone whose face was burned, her ears were melted, her hands were finger on cheek.


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[Assistant] He greeted me as my host and sat with me over a balcony.


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[Assistant] Bhakti yoga have to offer in terms of what could I say to these children that would give them hope?


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[Assistant] And uhm, you know, as I thought immediately, karma theory, you know, gosh, what did you do and you deserve this? And I, it just was the wrong...


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[Assistant] Message, you know, it's like this is a victim blaming, you know, this would not offer them comfort. So I sat with that a long time. And uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, I come to the conclusion that that's not what I would want to hear if I were them.


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[Assistant] So it began my search, and what do you say to a suffering person that offers comfort? What can we offer as Krishna conscious persons to Krishna?


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[Assistant] To give hope and comfort when people are suffering. Well that's kind of, that's where I moved into that, that profession really.


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[Assistant] Well, it was a, it was a journey because when I was in Yuma, I had a, I had a supervisor in, in


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[Assistant] Who, by the way, his whole method of training chaplains was the same method that he used to, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, train horses. He was a horse whisperer who worked for many years with a famous horse whisperer from


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[Assistant] Inter heart connecting relationships with the horses he could.


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[Assistant] Uh, empowering way of connecting with his students, I thought, what does he do actually? You know, I was like,


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[Assistant] He, you know, he's got all this education, but I, you don't find someone talking a lot. You don't find someone, uh, promoting themselves. He's just sort of a silent presence in the class, empowering us to find our answers. So,


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[Assistant] That was new for me, you know, I'd never seen that, certainly not in ISKCON where people are all the time telling you what you should believe and what you should be thinking. This was a more Socratic method where


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[Assistant] Where the questions and the behaviors was to nurture, to give birth to our own realization of the truths we were studying in our theology.


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[Assistant] And from there, I went to Richmond, Virginia at Virginia, uh,


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[Assistant] It was a VCU Commonwealth University and I studied there for, uh, or started studying there for becoming a supervisor. But it's a very long journey.


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[Assistant] You know, I probably have more years in graduate study than a brain surgeon to do this work and part of the reason for that is that when you are


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[Assistant] Are you an educating position? You can really hurt people when you're in a position of authority and power, particularly in spiritual life.


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[Assistant] They want to be really sure before they give you a certificate that you understand what it means to do serious harm to a person on a spiritual level. So I, I've had to go through some enormous


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[Assistant] Self-scrutiny, brutally honest self-scrutiny and scrutiny by other


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[Assistant] No, I did not speak to those children, but I went back, you know, as I, in my journey eventually, you know, I was in a hospital again with people who were suffering. And one thing I, I understood was that, uh, what people need to hear.


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[Assistant] Is that they are unconditionally loved by the supreme being, the source of life.


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[Assistant] Or the God of their understanding, whatever you call God, Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, Christ, doesn't matter.


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[Assistant] The, you know, criminality and everything underneath, if people go very deep, they feel unworthy.


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[Assistant] And so the whole effort to achieve things and to, to grasp things, to fill that hole is, is, is there a yearning for love and belonging?


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[Assistant] Pyramids, you know, people need survival needs and they need safety needs and food and shelter, but the main thing everybody's...


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[Assistant] Yearning for that motivates everybody's activity is how can I get my need for love and belonging met? And so we be, we do it by get maybe having a sense of humor or being theatrical or achieving a lot because in this way we think that's going to get my love. It doesn't.


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[Assistant] You have already the love, you don't need to earn it. And that's what I have bumped up against, not just with our philosophy and our devotees, but people practicing all religions. We're not that unique in the stages of spiritual growth.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but we get, we get busy in a neophyte level of rule following. We do have rules we do have to follow in order to accelerate our love.


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[Assistant] But if we get too focused on that, then what happens is, then you start focusing on who's not good enough to be part of my association. Now you start throwing away people who aren't good enough.


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[Assistant] To be loved by Krishna. That's not our philosophy. Bhakti is, you're already loved unconditionally. First of all, embrace that love.


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[Assistant] And spread it around. That's, that's why we're not Hindus. That's why we're not Gyanis. That's why we're not...


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[Assistant] We're just about loving and embracing that love and passing it along. If we do that...


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[Assistant] If we actually discover, Prabhupada said on a morning walk, uh, when I was in Vrindavan in 1976,


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[Assistant] He turned to us and he said, you know, if you can just tap into one drop of love that's in the core of your heart, the whole floodgates will come out.


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[Assistant] So Bhakti is, these principles are there to help us get to that piece of love. And then passing it along. So uhm,


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[Assistant] And as a representative of Krishna, I need to help you feel cared for. That's my job, you know, is to extend that love that's been given to me and passing it along as Krishna's representative.


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[Assistant] And, you know, it's funny because people won't remember what you say. Prabhupada used to say that too. Give them a book. They're not gonna, they're not gonna remember a thing you're saying for all your talking, talking, talking, talking. But they will remember how you made them feel.


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[Assistant] Talking, talking, talking at people is how, how do you make people feel? Do they feel cared for by you?


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[Assistant] Came to my mind, I was doing a talk I think in, for Africa or for South America or something and


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[Assistant] I was trying to explain, uh, bhakti in a way that made sense not only to me, but others, but the words came to me, radical personalism. That's what we're doing here. It's radical personalism. That means you really have to focus on time, place and circumstance to get it right.


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[Assistant] So you cannot, in good conscience, really.


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[Assistant] Meet people where they are if you speak in global language. We all, everybody, we have to speak in I language. Because that's the only true thing you can offer.


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[Assistant] Sure we have a philosophy and that's alright, but you have to help people from where they are connect to that philosophy for them to actually grow from where they are, not where you think they should grow.


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[Assistant] That's Bhagavad Gita as it is, not how you'd like it to be. Does that make sense?


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[Assistant] What you've described is, is considered to be conventional religiosity and it's a stage in spiritual development, just like khanishta is a stage. We just have to know what it is, you know, when we, when we see it in ourselves and others.


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[Assistant] Most people get stuck there in all religions. It's not just Hare Krishna, but Prabhupada used to talk about that. You can, you know, if you're not all the time making progress towards, you know, the, the all embracing love that, uh, that we are


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[Assistant] And asking ourselves where, what informs that, uh, judgment that we have or projection of other people. But if you're interested in learning more about that, you can study theologian, uh, Dr. Scott Peck or


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[Assistant] James Fallow, they've done extensive research in interviewing people at different stages of faith and they've come to, just like we've come to, people progress in a different, in different stages. And of course the top most stage is what we see in Sita Prabhupada, that all embracing figure.


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[Assistant] Who, uh, understands everything's in God and God is in everything. I mean, that's just a real, a realization they have and we're not there yet.


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[Assistant] Well, spiritual versus religiosity, the goal, you've got to keep focused on the goal.


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[Assistant] Chant 64 rounds, which was Bhakti Siddhanta's standard, and we couldn't do that. We couldn't do it. So he said, okay.


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[Assistant] So now you can chant 32 rounds. We couldn't do that either. So then he said, alright, do 16 and that's a minimum. That's a start. Just start. Do the best you can.


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[Assistant] And so uhm, we did the best we could, but it's not meant that we should just be satisfied with that. So these rules and regulations, particularly the four regulative principles, you can try to follow them separately from spiritual realization. You can do that. People do that and struggle with that. If you find your love,


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[Assistant] Why? Because you have a higher taste. You're not going to be interested to eat animals because you understand they are Krishna's property. I love them. Out of love we don't do that. Out of care.


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[Assistant] You know, if I'm intoxicated, I can hurt people. So it's really born out of care.


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[Assistant] It's not about rule following, although people really get focused on the four regular principles and that's the goal of it.


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[Assistant] The goal is we want to be awake. If you're intoxicated, you can't be awake. But you also can, like yourself, people who are harming other people and other animals and harming themselves cannot actually experience true bhakti because it's about love and care. Does that make sense?


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[Assistant] Right, so, Prabhupada said this many times, it's not a naity naity, it's not, not this, not that, not that. It's positive devotional service. So his solution to everything is do some positive devotional service.


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[Assistant] Another insight I want to lift up is that Prabhupada explained how the whole of ISKCON was created for us to engage in these six loving exchanges.


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[Assistant] Two of which are revealing the mind in confidence and hearing a person reveal their mind in confidence. And I have heard several senior devotees sit on the Vyasasana explain that in a way that is totally foreign to me.


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[Assistant] Knowing what I know about revealing the mind in confidence.


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[Assistant] The thing, the thing that is missing and why people don't do it is because people don't have a safe place to do it with people who they can trust.


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[Assistant] Our experience, if we reveal our heart, is tomorrow it's on Facebook.


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[Assistant] Or now it's a, it's a gossiping and telling everybody about your problem. If you reach out to someone.


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[Assistant] So no one does and they're sitting with their despair and their grief and their loneliness and holding that


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[Assistant] And gossiping and judging other people. That's simply a symptom of a person


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[Assistant] They haven't, so we're projecting it on other people, you know, and, and, but it's underneath that judgment is really our inability to sit with our shortcomings and beat our breast and lament or grieve that we didn't live up to our values, which may be the values of


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[Assistant] Our spiritual master that's where it comes from so we have a lot of that going on in our movement and other movements where.


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[Assistant] Because there's no place to actually talk about my struggle in spiritual life. And it is a struggle. If you're really doing this work of becoming Krishna conscious, it's hard work.


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[Assistant] To get there, to clear those ten offenses, to weed out those anartas, which I believe are unresolved traumas and wounds that we are all the time not wanting to look at.


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[Assistant] And so we're projecting out on other people, and now they're the one who have the problem that I can't see in myself.


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[Assistant] So, you know, KarunaCare education is to train people who can actually catch stories without judging, without telling everybody their story, without advising. We love to teach and advise people as soon as someone tells us something, we're going to tell them how to fix it.


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[Assistant] That's not what we do here. And it doesn't help. It disempowers the other person and it disempowers ourself to give them some cognitive solution when actually they need heart connection. That's what this KarunaCare education is about.


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[Assistant] I see in our movement since I've been doing this, uh, like listening to people.


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[Assistant] There is a lot of loneliness in our movement. It's a sad, sad thing.


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[Assistant] You know, in fact, I, I met a Brahmachari who joined us in Ireland, gosh, 30, 40 years ago, and suddenly left. After 10, 15 years, he left. We didn't know where he went.


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[Assistant] And, and since I've been talking to people or listening to people here in the last year, uh, here in the West, it's been uncanny the kinds of


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[Assistant] A torture people are undergoing in relationships that are, uh,


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[Assistant] Are unresolved or traumas that have never been spoken about that they carry around with them and they suffer lives of silent desperation. It is just unbelievable. And you may say this, you may say, oh, well, they're not chanting the Hare Krishna mantra enough. That's the solution. No.


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[Assistant] The person I talked to yesterday is chanting 64 rounds every day.


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[Assistant] And when Bhakti Charo Maharaj died, uhm, you know, we had a little grief session. I did a processing with devotees in Chicago and people were saying, everybody's telling me, just chant, chant more and read, just forget about it. And, and they would say, well, I'm doing that and it's not helping. It's not helping. So what do you make of that?


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[Assistant] You can chant for the rest of your life. It's not gonna repair that leg or arm. You gotta go get it, you know, put a cast around it and do that.


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[Assistant] So, you know, same thing with our emotions. If you have a broken heart, you have to address and heal and resolve that on an emotional level.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, it might be, and we've seen in our movement who we've had leaders and sannyasis and people who might have been very, very


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[Assistant] What happened there? Well, they're still emotionally children. They're emotionally immature. They haven't done that deep work. And we call this in behavioral sciences that applies to all religions, spiritual bypassing.


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[Assistant] Is that you use spirituality to avoid confronting and naming and owning your feelings. In fact, you don't even feel them because you're so dissociated from your emotions. And if any religion is about emotions, it's bhakti yoga. Really, when you think of the deep,


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[Assistant] Prayers and emotion we see exhibited in relationships in the Chaitanya Charitamrita, you can't tell me that emotions don't belong in the bhakti process. It's so about...


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[Assistant] Mood and rasa and taste so we have kind of and this is very very predictable and typical of particularly people in the western world trying to practicing a yeast eastern philosophy is they think.


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[Assistant] It's a way of escaping from looking at those hard things, doing that hard work. In fact, uhm, in my work, I've seen lots of folks who have been


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[Assistant] Substance abusers, like they are addicted to alcohol, like bikers and stuff.


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[Assistant] And then they go to Alcoholics Anonymous which has a very effective program.


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[Assistant] But one of the most important things is they need to appeal to their higher power. You know, the god of their understanding to have the strength to overcome. But then, God becomes their new drug. And, you know, God, it's a lot of God talk.


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[Assistant] And, and not accepting responsibility for things that happen to them. And we have lots of magical thinking.


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[Assistant] In the Hare Krishna movement, you know, where it's, I know people, the astrology and you know, all kinds of, uh, food things people are drawing from, but at bottom line, it's you that has the freedom to choose. Prabhupada was not into this notion of


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[Assistant] Well, by chance this happened, or by accident. No, no. Knowingly or unknowingly, you have made choices that have brought you to where you are right now. The consequences of the life you've created for yourself right now, you have chosen. Maybe you were ignorant when you made those choices.


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[Assistant] So, uh, you know, I'm just saying that, uh, we need to first of all, be more honest with ourselves and really get to know what is an emotion. People don't even know if you say, what are you feeling right now? I'm going to test you now. Tell me what are you feeling right now? Give me an emotion. Delighted and disoriented.


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[Assistant] Uh, those are flavors of emotions. There's six emotions. There's sad, mad or anger, glad, afraid,


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[Assistant] Surprise and Discuss, and all other emotions are different variations of that.


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[Assistant] So we need to get real clear about what we feel if we're feeling uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] Uh, we need to know, well what, hmmm, I'm noticing I'm feeling angry. What's underneath that? What's that about?


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[Assistant] You know, often we will say, ah, it's that person who's made me angry. But no, that's not what it's about.


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[Assistant] What in us is being activated that, that is, what about that experience is activating this anger? It's really about my history.


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[Assistant] For a person who's actually experienced a terrible loss, there might be a whole mixed emotions. You know, when you're grieving, you're going to have anger and you're going to be sad and you're going to be frightened and all kinds of things because it's a disorienting dilemma.


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[Assistant] Well, yeaah, true, but looking at feelings is information and being curious about it. It could be, gosh, I slept too much last night and I'm in the mode of ignorance. I need to take a walk. I mean, it may be that simple.


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[Assistant] It could also, it could also have something to do with unprocessed trauma or grief that you haven't looked at that needs to be just explored.


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[Assistant] Without attachment you know that okay the possibilities there's all kinds of possibilities and and i think it's fair game to be curious and just explore and be you know okay they're coming through and i take a.


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[Assistant] Uh, have a cup of milk and a piece of toast, I'll feel fine, you know, but to know yourself well enough to know if there's a pattern.


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[Assistant] Uh, things that need to be looked at, that you aren't looking at. And why that's important is that


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[Assistant] When we carry around with us unprocessed grief or trauma, the body will try to get you to look at it by creating a physical circumstance where you have no choice but to look at it face to face. And I've had experience


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[Assistant] Uhm, of that in my own life where I, uh, I hurt my back, you know, my granddaughter twisted me in the ocean and I was on my back for two months in a wheelchair and, and, uhm,


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[Assistant] Was working a lot, direct, director of a big program and, you know, 80 hour work week. Just crazy stuff, you know. And now I'm on my back and I'm in so much pain I have to crawl to the bathroom.


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[Assistant] And I can't sleep because there's no way I can move that is not painful. So I'm laying there for days and days and days and finally I realize...


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[Assistant] Okay, Prabhupada, what are you trying to get through to me that I, you have had to incapacitate me so I'm gonna pay attention now because I've been so busy ignoring whatever it is you're trying to communicate to me that now I'm on my back and I have to listen because I can't sleep and I can't move.


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[Assistant] And so for several days I had to do an enormous deep investigation and opening to listen to what Prabhupada was trying to tell me.


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[Assistant] And out of the deep, and this sounds real woo woo, I know, but I had three instructions coming that I took as Prabhupada speaking directly to me. You know, you read about that kind of stuff and you think, yeah, uuuh, but it was so clear that I started to move in that direction and change my life to being here right now.


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[Assistant] You know, one of them is you have to teach Bhagavad Gita. Secondly, you need to sing Kirtan with your heart. Third, you need to write. So I started immediately, you know, called up the guy in LA who's organizing the Gita, started doing that, and then I started to sing with the heart. My life has changed since I, I,


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[Assistant] I stopped working so much, now I'm part-time and it's opened up this.


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[Assistant] So, Krishna is all the time trying to communicate to us and we don't listen because we don't, we are not submissive listeners. Krishna can't get our attention.


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[Assistant] And if you're sitting in a hospital, you will see 99% of the people who come to the hospital, it's a spiritual crisis that's understood across the board for all spiritual care chaplains. They understand.


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[Assistant] This is not about your broken leg. It's not about your diabetes. It's not about you now, you know, having a car crash. It's about what, what precipitated those things. And that has to do with lack of spiritual integration and grounding and listening to that still small voice that we know is super soul within our heart.


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[Assistant] That's what it's about when you're now having a health crisis. It's a spiritual crisis. So yeaah.


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[Assistant] Sorry? Yeah, we have shame and part of the, we are, we, we are ashamed of ourselves. Perpetually ashamed. We can never repay Krishna.


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[Assistant] And so this, it's like this unreachable goal that we tried to say thank you by our service. We can never reach it.


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[Assistant] And we can never realize our relationship with Krishna unless Krishna allows us in, you know, the grace. And we can't earn it.


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[Assistant] But through surrendering process and humility and honesty and, and also serving the devotees, uh, we can please Krishna. We can't go directly to Krishna. We have to go through the Vaishnava Sangha. And therefore I, I believe, and this is where I enter the conversation as a,


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[Assistant] Uh, chaplain educator is that, uhm,


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[Assistant] We need to learn what bhakti looks like and feels like. So far, people are great at describing it. And we do that all day in our classes. We're describing bhakti.


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[Assistant] Well, you know, you can, you can, uh, draw from people who've studied it, because we're not the only people who have thought about this thing. What does love look like? What are practical behaviors that would look like love or feel like love? And, you know, one of my favorite, uh,


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[Assistant] This theologian slash psychologist is a guy named David Rico and he, he boils it down to five behaviors. He said, love is not just a feeling. We throw that around a lot. It's, it's an active thing. Attention, giving attention, giving appreciation, affirming.


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[Assistant] Affection and allowing, which means allowing people to make their own choices. Freedom.


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[Assistant] And so as Vaishnava's son, we're all part of Krishna's body. Uh, in fact, part of why I'm doing this work is I had a dream in the nineties where Prabhupada said, I won't tell the whole story, but basically he's just, he's just asking me, can you ask your husband if you can take care of my personal body?


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[Assistant] And I woke up wondering what that meant and of course discovered he was talking about ISKCON as my personal body and gives the example of the sons who are massaging and brutalizing the father, uh, because they're fighting.


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[Assistant] And so that has, has perpetuated me into a quest to realize that, you know, we are all Prabhupada's body as the Sangha of ISKCON.


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[Assistant] And so we need to be giving each other these five A's, if I may say, you know, attention, allowing, appreciation, affirmation, if I can name them, uh, attention, like to focus, you listen when people are talking, to focus on each other.


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[Assistant] So I've offered each other appreciation, affirmation, uh, affection.


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[Assistant] Affection and allowing freedom to choose, you know, to give each other the freedom to be where you are in your devotional life and not be more than you are.


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[Assistant] Uhm, sadly, we tend to be embarrassed about our performance of bhakti, so we pretend that we're more than we are. That's sahajiyya. That's a sahajiyya tendency. And we tend to think everybody should be at the same level as I am. That's impersonalism.


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[Assistant] So as we know, when you, you pray the Prabhupada Mantra, who came to the West to, you know, get rid the world of impersonalism and voidism, that was his main thing.


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[Assistant] Is, is getting us free from this impersonalism and voidism and sahajism. But we're all tainted by it as long as we're not pure devotees. We all have to acknowledge I'm a sahaja.


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[Assistant] Influences, and we really need to be skeptical about our own attitudes and behavior and question that because these are not bhakti.


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[Assistant] You know, it's really easy to fool ourselves and to point fingers at other people without pointing them also back at ourselves.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I'm trying to create a platform where people can come and get out of isolation, because in isolation, you think you're the only one who has this struggle.


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[Assistant] In Sangha, we're here to support each other so we can make it. We can keep going long enough so we can become free from offenses. But you're not gonna make it together if you're all the time criticizing and, you know, fault-finding and gossiping about each other. We need to get in each other's corner


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[Assistant] And blow sugar on uh, on each other in the sense that, uh, revealing the mind in confidence and hearing a person reveal the mind. And the problem is, uh, Chaitanya Chiran, people don't know how.


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[Assistant] In this technological age, people don't know how to listen. They don't even know what they're listening for. They don't know how to hear. They don't know how to respond. It's sad.


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[Assistant] We're so detached from our natural compassion that we don't know how. So it's really about learning some skills.


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[Assistant] And the sangha, and the sangha that we are getting and giving each other is based on, uh, not love. It's really based on


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[Assistant] You know, judging and rule following and measuring each other by our own standards and all of that. And what we need to, what we need in our journey is a lot of people affirming us, encouraging us, supporting us. We're not going to make it. You know, if you're thinking 30, 40 years of trying to chant and get that taste.


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[Assistant] You're not going to make it that long. You're going to bail as soon as you, you feel so discouraged and alone. You might as well go to some other religion because, you know, the Hare Krishnas, they say, Krishna loves you, but we hate your gods. That was a, that's a message sometimes in Christianity is that, Oh, Jesus loves you, but we really don't like you at all. Unless.


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[Assistant] So when we say advertise ourselves as unconditionally loving people, then it means that I have to get really creative when I have somebody who might have a little bit of a mental illness, even a quirk.


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[Assistant] Behavioral idiosyncrasy. I need to get creative to stretch my heart around that person and figure out how can I engage them in Christian service? How can I give them this chance? Let me embrace them with unconditional love so they can feel what it feels like.


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[Assistant] Because they're so blocked by their own conditioning, they can't feel that love.


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[Assistant] Christian's given it to you. You've got to pass it along. And that's what heals. And I know this from


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[Assistant] Not just my experience, but I know this from lots and lots and lots of research done by the Los Angeles Department of Mental Health where they discovered


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[Assistant] That the key cause of mental illness is isolation and loneliness.


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[Assistant] And the main thing that heals the human heart is caring community. So I like to think of ISKCON as the rehabilitation center where ISKCON rehab from Kali Yuga. Everybody's been wounded by a Kali Yuga. This is a very, very violent time we're living in.


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[Assistant] I mean, just think, Kali Yuga, Kali, the personality of Kali is everywhere. So there's practically nobody who's not been hurt, wounded, confused by this energy that's pervasive.


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[Assistant] So, if we really do want to serve humanity, we've got to be the healing force for broken people. Lots of them. And everybody's broken.


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[Assistant] Honesty and humility, wherever you are. This is where I am. I'm reaching for the top, but this is where I am.


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[Assistant] You know, honesty and humility. You know, okay, if I'm a materialistic devotee, that's where I am. I can't see it differently right now.


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[Assistant] Yeah, exactly. But just, I think that the humility and honesty piece is so prevalent in Prabhupada's teachings where he said if one can learn these two qualities, the whole Vedas become revealed. I mean, you really do


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[Assistant] It really boils down to that, being honest and humble about oneself.


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[Assistant] Well, you bring me to the conversation around grief versus shame, you know, or guilt versus shame, you know, this notion of, I don't measure up, but I know that I'm part of Krishna. Krishna loves me and I'm on a journey.


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[Assistant] And it's gonna take some time. And so I'm not gonna, you know, hate myself for not being perfect, but at least I know I can see the goal.


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[Assistant] Versus, I can't measure up, I hate myself, and, and I'm ashamed of myself, and it's hopeless, and therefore I better give up the process because there's just no hope.


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[Assistant] Yeah, so, you know, I don't, I'm not saying it's comfortable, it is not comfortable to dig around in ourselves. In fact, when you chant Hare Krishna, you are taking a stick to your life and you are digging up all kinds of dirty things that are coming from samskaras in your memories and oppressions. They're coming up.


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[Assistant] And it is part of the process. It is not always a comfortable process. And that's why we need to share that journey with other caring people who support us and can affirm that you're not going crazy.


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[Assistant] You know you are worthy, this is just a natural part of spiritual growth. Sometimes you have a dark night of the soul. Every person who practices spiritual life sometimes feels they can't see it, you know, they see Krishna's shadow because they have their back turned and they can't see.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's why we need Sangha. Real, real appropriate relationships who can companion us through those difficult, dark times that we all are really concerning.


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[Assistant] And the prophet says we say it's a simp- just chant Hare Krishna and be happy. It's a simple thing. He said actually it's a really hard thing to become Krishna conscious. Truly. And therefore we're just apprentices at this point.


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[Assistant] You have to assess whether someone can hold your story.


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[Assistant] You know you really do not everybody you can trust to hold your story not everyone is that spiritually mature and therefore it's really helpful to have have some.


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[Assistant] Spaces that are intended for that purpose, you know, where there's covenant making.


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[Assistant] In the sense of, you know, we know in this space that when you speak, I'm not judging and advising and it's not going out of this room.


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[Assistant] Something I might want to share, you know, how I'm really feeling or my struggle. So you might have to try them out on a little thing.


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[Assistant] And if immediately they start judging and advising and now they're on their soapbox going to preach to you a lecture, then you know they're not the person I'm going to share my heart with.


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[Assistant] That, that I'm being compassionate by now downloading the whole Srimad Bhagavatam to respond to your grief. Like someone, my loved one, my husband or wife has died.


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[Assistant] But there's a sensitivity around if you are really going to offer care. You want to, you want to respond in a way that affirms.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, it offers affection, support, and those kinds of things. So time, place, and circumstance is really, really important. So that's, that's one instance where, uhm,


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[Assistant] We, we may think we're, we're helping. In fact, so many people think they're helping by saying something like, okay, I have lost my baby. Say a baby dies in stillbirth. And so often, and this is not Hare Krishna, that's everywhere. People well-intended will say, oh, that's not a problem. You can have another one.


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[Assistant] Doesn't mean it doesn't. Or your marriage breaks up. Ah, you could marry somebody else. They were crap anyway. You know, people say these things thinking that's really being compassionate. It's not helpful. It's disempowering.


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[Assistant] And it really just offers you comfort because you're uncomfortable and not knowing what to say, so you pull out something. That's all I'd say. People don't know better.


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[Assistant] Well, we're back to honest and humble. Gee, I don't know what to say. I'm really, I'm really hurting.


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[Assistant] I'm hurting for you. I don't know how to help. Please tell me how I can help. What would be help? How can I, how can I help?


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[Assistant] And it might be as simple as can you take care of my kids for me? Cause I'm totally so numb and shocked that my husband just died that I can't even think to take care of my children. So you want to now offer yourself as a servant to the hurting person and say, gosh,


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[Assistant] I really care about you and I don't know what to say and I don't know what to do. I just want you to know I'm hurting on your behalf. Tell me how I can help. And they may say in the beginning, oh no, people are shy to get, but don't give up. Don't say, well I called them up.


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[Assistant] And they said they didn't need help. Call back tomorrow, call back, you know, maybe even to go and be present. There's nothing more powerful than just silent presence, accompaniment, to know that I'm not alone in this nightmare of a journey that I'm in right now.


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[Assistant] More effective than all the words is just to be silently present and let them know, you don't, we don't have to talk. I just would be with you. I'm happy just to sit here with you.


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[Assistant] And in ancient, in early times in the West, you know, that was the protocol when someone had a loss, a death of someone.


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[Assistant] All the ladies in the community or the church would come over with their knitting and hand work and bunches of food. You know, they'd bring little casserole and they would just sit with the person.


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[Assistant] Just to accompany them and they may cry or talk or do nothing or sleep but they weren't alone in their pain which is the most


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[Assistant] Painful thing is to be alone in your pain, so just to be there and be what be whatever they need you to be. That's the best thing.


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[Assistant] You know, for you to dismiss a person's pain in the moment of suffering is like putting vinegar in a wound or salt in a wound.


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[Assistant] You know, you're just totally taking away their moment, and they need desperately to be able to go through their grief. And that's another topic, but...


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[Assistant] Even if you look like you're crazy or you're doing things that seem crazy, because when a person has a huge loss, like the loss of a loved one, it totally, it totally throws them into, uh, role confusion. I don't know who I am. I've been a wife for 30 years. Now my husband has died. I don't even know who I am.


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[Assistant] Oh, okay. Well, you're a servant of Krishna. You're part of Krishna. Yeah, okay. It's going to take me a while, uh, to get you get comfortable with what that means to be Krishna's part and parcel because I've always approached Krishna through my husband. Yeah. What does that mean now that, that, uh, you know, he has died?


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[Assistant] So it's a long process, but we have to, we have to have spaces where we can do what's called dosing, because confronting our grief or pain or hurt is too much to download all at once, so it's recommended to do it in doses, you know, where there's intentional spaces where


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[Assistant] Like say once every two weeks for an hour and a half, I'm going to sit with a couple of people who I care about me. I know they care about me and I'm just going to reflect on.


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[Assistant] My husband who died a month ago, you know, I'm going to cry if I need to, I'm going to talk about what it's meant to be and, and you're not going to say suck it up already. That's what, what your friends and family are going to say after three days when you have lost any major loss, they're going to go, oh, you're you talking about that again?


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[Assistant] It's what our society has learned to do. In fact, in the West you get three paid days off if you lose, uh, if there's a death in your family. Three days. Like you're gonna be over it and back to work in three days.


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[Assistant] Cut off my arm and tell me that I'm gonna be better in three days. No way.


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[Assistant] But we have this idea that you are wallowing in your pain if you should now talk about it. So people then don't talk even to their loved ones and they're holding this all the time. And now it comes out as cancer.


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[Assistant] And now it comes out as heart disease and so many things.


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[Assistant] I was just commenting that Prabhupada used to say that more important than chanting is taking care of your health.


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[Assistant] Because if you lose your health, you can't chant, and I would say that's true of mental health as well, you know, that, that, uh,


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[Assistant] Sometimes people are just so overwhelmed, they can't chant, so it needs to be addressed, you know, and we need to help each other, uh,


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[Assistant] We need to help each other reflect and process.


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[Assistant] For me to see how do I bring what I've learned in a professional environment with devotees? How much can they do, digest and relate to?


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[Assistant] And I'm on my second, almost middle of my second semester, and what I've noticed, and a real symptom in the profession of a person who is having a relational connection is zest. This word zest is kind of an odd word.


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[Assistant] And so what I'm, you can talk to any of my students right now. I mean, they're just so excited. They look forward to being in class. I mean, they, they have developed relationships with each other. They're talking to each other. They're supporting each other internationally. I mean, I've got someone in Russia, I've got someone in South Africa and in


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[Assistant] In Australia, we're, they're creating in Australia resilience groups. I've created one as a place where devotees can come and hang out. It's not a training. It's a semi facilitated space where people can come and I will break them up in groups of two or three and they can just get to know each other and have a place to talk.


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[Assistant] About a, maybe a focused thing, but it could morph into whatever is on their mind.


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[Assistant] Oh, this is the missing piece is we have now friends who are really our friends and they're there to support and if I'm in trouble


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[Assistant] And I'm sad or confused. I can connect and they will help me get back on the track. You know, it's just, it's changed everything.


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[Assistant] We're so many people, including myself. I mean, I'm not good at this. I teach it. I'm not great at it. That's why I'm always teaching it, because you tend to learn what you're teaching.


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[Assistant] And they can start there. It'll tell a little more about what we do and how to contact and all of that.


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[Assistant] When I was going to school, I was by myself a lot and I didn't have anybody to talk to, so I would go in the forest and talk to those trees if I needed to reveal my mind, because I knew Krishna was in their heart too.


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[Assistant] The little man seemed not to be afraid, for he walked right up to me without hesitation, and by his laughter, while looking me up and down, I guess that he found me quite amusing. Several others came in behind him.


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[Assistant] He turned to them and, pointing to me, began speaking in a beautiful language I could not recognize.


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[Assistant] I had about eight or nine of these men standing around me, touching my hands, my hair and my clothing.


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[Assistant] All the while speaking to one another in their unique language.


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[Assistant] Throughout this, I felt absolutely no fear at all. I found nothing threatening in these little people.


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[Assistant] Even if they had wanted to hurt me, I was certain that I could easily have defended myself.


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[Assistant] However, when they began to touch the time machine, I made a loud noise to frighten them away.


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[Assistant] Then, climbing back into it, I remove the two start and stop levers and place them both in my pocket. Joining them again,


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[Assistant] I began to take greater notice of their features.


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[Assistant] They all had curly hair that flowed down around tiny ears, ending at the neck.


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[Assistant] As for their faces, they were rather pointed at the chin.


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[Assistant] And they possessed thin red mouths around which no hair grew at all.


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[Assistant] I then tried to communicate with them directly by pointing to myself and to the time machine.


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[Assistant] Seeing that they did not understand, I tried pointing to the sun to indicate time.


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[Assistant] One of them suddenly got excited and, with his voice, made the sound of a loud thunder.


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[Assistant] It was then that I realized I might be dealing with people much less intelligent than myself. My heart sank with disappointment.


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[Assistant] I had always imagined the people of the future being so much cleverer than the people of my own time period. And now, here I was.


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[Assistant] Meeting people who believed I was a god of some sort, come from the sky during a storm.


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[Assistant] One of them approached me offering a necklace of flowers to wear.


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[Assistant] The flowers were quite uncommon and more beautiful than any I had ever seen.


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[Assistant] The others must have thought they looked good on me, for they then gathered up more flowers and started to throw them all around me, laughing and talking to one another all the while.


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[Assistant] I was then led away to a huge building made of stone.


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[Assistant] Inside was a great hall with large stone tables and tall windows of many different colors.


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[Assistant] On the tables were bowls of fresh fruit, mostly unfamiliar to me.


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[Assistant] Everyone gathered around the tables and sitting on thick pillows began to eat. I was encouraged to do the same. First, however, I wanted to observe their manners. I found them quite easy to learn, for they had none.


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[Assistant] Each person would take whatever he wanted from the table without asking.


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[Assistant] Even if it was the last piece of fruit on the plate, whoever grabbed it was the person who ate it.


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[Assistant] There were no special privileges for women or children. Everyone was equal at this table.


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[Assistant] In terms of cleanliness people simply threw or spit the unwanted parts of the fruit into a hole in the center of the table.


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[Assistant] I began to wonder when the actual meal was going to be served.


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[Assistant] Every time we finished a bowl of fruit, a new one, filled to the top, was brought to the table.


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[Assistant] Soon I was disappointed to realize that these people ate no meat at all.


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[Assistant] Feeling that I was rather welcome now, I decided to try to learn as much of their language as I could.


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[Assistant] So while eating, I began to point at the different fruits and made a question sound.


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[Assistant] At first they did not know what I wanted, and instead of speaking, brought me an extra bowl of the fruit I was pointing to.


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[Assistant] Waving them away, I again pointed to the fruit.


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[Assistant] This time a woman in the crowd started to speak to me.


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[Assistant] She repeated the same word several times, so I knew she was telling me the name of the fruit.


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[Assistant] In trying to repeat her words, I must have done a very poor job for everyone began to laugh very hard.


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[Assistant] But eventually, I seem to say it correctly.


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[Assistant] After a while and with much difficulty, I learned all the names of the fruits at the table.


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[Assistant] However, when I tried to persuade them to teach me more, I saw that they had quickly grown tired of this. So I decided to give them a rest and ask them at a later time.


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[Assistant] A very strange characteristic of these people was their tendency to show great interest in me for only a moment and then very suddenly lose all interest and walk away as if I were not there. I was not sure how to understand it. Were they disappointed in me? Was there something they expected me to do?


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[Assistant] I hope that in time I might understand this better, or at least get used to it, for it made me very uncomfortable.


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[Assistant] After dinner I decided that it would be a good idea to learn about the land around me.


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[Assistant] So I walked to the top of the highest hill in the area to have a look. Up there lay an ancient ruined building.


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[Assistant] Some parts of the roof seemed ready to fall at any moment from the slightest movement or vibration.


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[Assistant] Little did I know, this would be the location of a very important event to take place later during my stay in this land.


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[Assistant] On the northern side of the building, I found a yellow rock that was shaped like a seat.


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[Assistant] Sitting there, I found it an ideal place to view the wide countryside below.


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[Assistant] One of the first things I noticed was that there were no houses or individual homes.


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[Assistant] All that could be seen were large palace-like buildings where the people appeared to live altogether. The land was completely undeveloped. No farms could be seen in the distance.


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[Assistant] No parks, just wilderness, with the occasional huge steel or stone building coming up through the trees.


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[Assistant] This was indeed very different from the England I knew.


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[Assistant] Suddenly noticed that there was very little difference between the appearance of the men and the women.


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[Assistant] They wore the same type of clothing, all the same color. Even their bodies were very similar.


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[Assistant] I felt at the time that this must have changed due to the peaceful nature of their lives.


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[Assistant] Warring people tend to require greater differences between men and women.


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[Assistant] But these people seem to have no violence in their character at all.


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[Assistant] So I understood this to be an indication that man had finally won the battle with nature.


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[Assistant] Disease, crime, competition no longer appear to be a problem.


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[Assistant] All of the discomforts of the world were gotten rid of. Now people were living very simple lives.


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[Assistant] And with such simplicity, things like strength and intelligence were no longer necessary.


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[Assistant] In fact, necessity itself had completely disappeared.


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[Assistant] And this, I believed, was the truth about these people and their world.


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[Assistant] I was surprised to have, in such a short time of being there, so easily uncovered everything there was to know.


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[Assistant] But soon, my ideas about this world would completely change.


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[Assistant] I think aging can be postponed indefinitely fairly soon. And the reason I think that is because I think I know how to do it.


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[Assistant] Not saying I wouldn't, but I'd need to think really carefully about it.


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[Assistant] He had designed an explanation, almost an apology.


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[Assistant] But I cannot introduce a topic because how do I know what will interest you? Ask me questions, and I will do my best to answer them.


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[Assistant] Do you agree with me that I have a right to be a little masterful, abrupt, perhaps exacting sometimes on the grounds I stated, namely that I am old enough to be your father?


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[Assistant] That I have battled through a varied experience with many men of many nations and roamed over half the globe.


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[Assistant] You must still agree to receive my orders now and then, without being piqued or hurt by the tone of command. Will you?" I smiled. I thought to myself, Mr. Rochester IS peculiar.


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[Assistant] The very few masters were troubled themselves to inquire whether or not their paid subordinates were piqued and hurt by their orders. Paid subordinates? What? You are my paid subordinate, are you? Oh, yes, I had forgotten the salary.


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[Assistant] Well then, on that mercenary ground, will you agree to let me hectare a little? No, sir, not on that ground.


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[Assistant] But on the ground that you did forget it, and that you care whether or not a dependent is comfortable in his dependency, I agree heartily.


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[Assistant] And will you consent to dispense with a great many conventional forms and phrases, without thinking that the omission arises from insolence? I am sure, sir, I should never mistake informality for insolence. One I rather like.


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[Assistant] The other nothing free-born would submit to, even for a salary. Humbug!


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[Assistant] Most things free-born will submit to anything for a salary. Therefore keep to yourself.


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[Assistant] And don't venture on generalities of which you are intensely ignorant.


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[Assistant] However, I mentally shake hands with you for your answer, despite its inaccuracy, and as much for the manner in which it was said as for the substance of the speech. The manner was frank and sincere. One does not often see you such a manner.


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[Assistant] No, on the contrary, affectation, or coldness, or stupid, coarse-minded misapprehension of one's meaning are the usual rewards of candour.


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[Assistant] Not three in three thousand raw schoolgirl governesses would have answered me as you have just done. But I don't mean to flatter you.


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[Assistant] If you are cast in a different mould of the majority, it is no merit of yours. Nature did it.


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[Assistant] And then, after all, I go too fast in my conclusions. For what I yet know, you may be no better than the rest. You may have intolerable defects to counterbalance your few good points. And so may you, I thought.


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[Assistant] My eye met his as the idea crossed my mind. He seemed to read the glance, answering as if its import had been spoken as well as imagined. Yes, yes, you're right, said he. I have plenty of faults of my own, I know it, and I don't wish to palliate them, I assure you. God what, I need not be too severe about others.


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[Assistant] I have a past experience, a series of deeds, a color of life to contemplate within my own


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[Assistant] Which might well call many sneers and censures from my neighbours to myself.


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[Assistant] Great Expectations by Charles Dickens Chapter 31 On our arrival in Denmark, we found a king and queen of that country, elevated in two armchairs on a kitchen table, holding a court. The whole of the Danish nobility were in attendance.


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[Assistant] Consisting of a noble boy in the wash leather boots of a gigantic ancestor,


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[Assistant] A venerable peer with a dirty face, who seemed to have risen from the people late in life,


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[Assistant] And the Danish chivalry, with a comb in its hair, and a pair of white-silk legs, and presenting on the whole a feminine appearance.


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[Assistant] My gifted townsman stood gloomily apart, with folded arms, and I could have wished that his curls and forehead had been more probable.


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[Assistant] The late king of the country not only appeared to have been troubled with a cough at the time of his decease, but to have taken it with him to the tomb and to have brought it back.


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[Assistant] The Royal Phantom also carried a ghostly manuscript round its truncheon, to which it had the appearance of occasionally referring


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[Assistant] And that, too, with an air of anxiety and a tendency to lose the place of reference which were suggestive of a state of mortality.


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[Assistant] It was this, I conceive, which led to the shades being advised by the gallery to turn over.


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[Assistant] A recommendation which it took extremely ill. It was likewise to be noted of this majestic spirit, that whereas it always appeared with an air of having been out a long time, and walked an immense distance, it perceptibly came from a closely contiguous wall.


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[Assistant] Was considered by the public to have too much brass about her.


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[Assistant] A chin being attached to her diadem by a broad band of that metal, as if she had a gorgeous toothache. A waist being encircled by another, and each of her arms by another, so that she was openly mentioned as the kettle-drum.


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[Assistant] On the authority of whose practiced eye and nice discrimination, the finest strokes were judged. This gradually led to a want of toleration for him.


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[Assistant] And even on his being detected in holy orders, and declining to perform the funeral service, to the general indignation taking the form of nuts.


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[Assistant] Lastly, Ophelia was a prey to such slow musical madness, that when in course of time she had taken off her white muslin scarf, folded it up, and buried it.


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[Assistant] A sulky man who had been long cooling his impatient nose against an iron bar in the front row of the gallery growled, Now the baby's put to bed, let's have supper. Which, to say the least of it, was out of keeping.


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[Assistant] Upon my unfortunate townsman, all these incidents accumulated with playful effect.


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[Assistant] Whenever that undecided prince had to ask a question or state a doubt, the public helped him out for it.


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[Assistant] As for example, on the question whether Trosnobra in the mind to suffer, some roared yes and some no, and some inclining to both opinions said, toss up for it, and quite a debating society arose. When he asked,


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[Assistant] What should such fellows as he do, Crawling between earth and heaven,


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[Assistant] He was encouraged with loud cries of, Hear, hear!


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[Assistant] When he appeared with his stocking disordered, its disorder expressed, according to usage, by one very neat fold in the top, which I supposed to be always got up with a flat iron, a conversation took place in the gallery respecting the paleness of his leg, and whether it was occasioned by the turn the ghost had given him. On his taking the recorders,


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[Assistant] Very like a little black flute that had just been played in the orchestra, and handed out at the door, he was called upon unanimously for rural Britannia


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[Assistant] When he recommended the player not to saw the air thus, the sulky man said,


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[Assistant] And don't you do it neither, you'll already worsen him. And I grieve to add.


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[Assistant] That peals of laughter greeted Mr. Wopsle on every one of these occasions. But his greatest trials were in the churchyard, which had the appearance of a primeval forest.


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[Assistant] And Mr Wopsle could not possibly have returned the skull.


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[Assistant] Without dusting his fingers on a white napkin taken from his breast.


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[Assistant] The arrival of the body for interment in an empty black box with the lid tumbling open was a signal for a general joy which was much enhanced by the discovery


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[Assistant] The joy attended Mr. Wopsle through his struggle with laertes on the brink of the orchestra and the grave.


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[Assistant] And slacken no more, until you tumble the king off the kitchen table, and are died by inches from the ankles upward.


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[Assistant] We had made some pale efforts in the beginning to applaud Mr. Wopsle, but they were too hopeless to be persisted in. Therefore we had sat.


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[Assistant] Feeling keenly for him, but laughing, nevertheless, from ear to ear. I laughed in spite of myself all the time. The whole thing was so drawl.


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[Assistant] And yet I had a latent impression that there was something decidedly fine in Mr. Wopsle's allocution.


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[Assistant] Not for old associations' sake, I'm afraid, but because it was very slow, very dreary, very uphill and downhill.


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[Assistant] And very unlike any way in which any man, in any natural circumstances of life or death, ever expressed himself about anything. When the tragedy was over, and he had been called for and hooted, I said to Herbert, Let us go at once, or perhaps you shall meet him. We made all the haste we could downstairs, but we were not quick enough either.


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[Assistant] Who caught my eyes as we advanced, and said, when we came up with him, Mr. Pip and Friend. Identity of Mr. Pip and Friend confessed. Mr. Waldengarver, said the man, will be glad to have the honour. Waldengarver, I repeated, when Herbert murmured in my ear, probably Wopsle. Oh, said I.


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[Assistant] With the addition of a large Danish sun or star hanging round his neck by a blue ribbon.


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[Assistant] It looked to me that when he see the ghost in the Queen's apartment, he might have made more of his stockings. I modestly assented, and we all fell through a little dirty swing-door.


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[Assistant] Into a sort of hot packing case, immediately behind it.


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[Assistant] And here there was just room for us to look at him over one another's shoulders.


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[Assistant] Said Mr. Wopsle, I am proud to see you.


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[Assistant] I hope, Mr. Pip, you will excuse my sending round. I had the happiness to know you in former times, and the drama has ever had a claim which has ever been acknowledged on the noble and the affluent.


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[Assistant] Meanwhile, Mr. Waldengarver, in a frightful perspiration, was trying to get himself out of his princely sabres.


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[Assistant] Who, on the first stocking coming off, would certainly have fallen over backward with his chair, but there being no room to fall anyhow. I had been afraid until then to say a word about the play.


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[Assistant] Gentleman, how did it seem to you to, to go in front? Herbert said from behind, at the same time poking me, Capitoli. So I said, Capitoli.


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[Assistant] How did you like my reading of the character, gentlemen?" said Mr. Waldengarver, almost, if not quite, with patronage. Herbert said from behind, again poking me, massive and concrete. So I said boldly, as if I had originated it, and must beg to insist upon it, massive and concrete.


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[Assistant] I am glad to have your approbation, gentlemen," said Mr. Walton Garver, with an air of dignity, in spite of his being ground against the wall at the time, and holding on by the seat of the chair. But I'll tell you one thing, Mr. Walton Garver," said the man who was on his knees, in which you're out in your reading. Now mind, I don't care who says contrary, I tell you so.


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[Assistant] And whenever his reading brought him into profile, I called out, I don't see no wafers. And at night his reading was lovely. Mr. Waldengarver smiled at me, as much as to say, a faithful dependent. I overlook his folly. And then said aloud,


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[Assistant] My view is a little classic and thoughtful for them here, but they will improve, they will improve. Herbert and I said together, oh, no doubt they would improve. Did you observe, gentlemen?


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[Assistant] His employer would not allow him to be drunk. You know his employer said I.


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[Assistant] Mr. Wopsaw shut his eyes, and opened them again, performing both ceremonies very slowly.


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[Assistant] You must have observed, gentlemen.


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[Assistant] Said he, an ignorant and a blatant ass, with a rasping throat, and a countenance expressive of low malignity, who went through, I will not say sustained, the role, if I may use a French expression, of Claudius, King of Denmark. That is his employer, gentlemen. Such is the profession.


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[Assistant] Without distinctly knowing whether I should have been more sorry for Mr. Wopsle, if he had been in despair, I was so sorry for him as it was that I took the opportunity of his turning round to have his braces put on, which jostled us out at the doorway, to ask Herbert what he thought of having him home to supper. Herbert said he thought it would be kind to do so. Therefore I invited him.


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[Assistant] reviewing his success and developing his plans. I forget in detail what they were.


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[Assistant] But I have a general recollection that he was to begin with reviving the drama and to end with crushing it.


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[Assistant] In as much as his decease would leave it utterly bereft and without a chance or hope. Miserably I went to bed after all. I miserably thought of Estella.


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[Assistant] And miserably dreamed that my expectations were all cancelled, and that I had to give my hand in marriage to Herbert's Clara, or play Hamlet to Miss Havisham's Ghost, before twenty thousand people, without knowing twenty words of it.


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[Assistant] You have the pick of London. Who do you want? Someone who loves me. Someone I love.


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[Assistant] But what one enjoys in books, one may not practice in life. Is that not the pleasure of books?


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[Assistant] I enjoy solitude more than company. Hello Henry. Peace more than bustle. Modesty more than vanity.


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[Assistant] What does age dictate preference? You are older, Mr. Fox, yet you are no friend to solitude.


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[Assistant] It is a strange world. One wonders why God created the truffle hog.


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[Assistant] He's writing to you. I would die without his letters. There is no other way he can prove his love.


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[Assistant] He is besieged from all sides because of me. Will you marry him?


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[Assistant] Exercise? He's a few months old.


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[Assistant] Please. He's entertaining a lot. But his behavior is unconscionable. But then, what else can one expect from an unbeliever?


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[Assistant] So you should. You're going to be a great success.


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[Assistant] But if in the fullness of time you discover that you favor someone in particular, you will tell me who it is, won't you, my dear?


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[Assistant] Yet of surpassing interest for your countrymen.


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[Assistant] I had thought it a poor imitation of London.


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[Assistant] That's a John Cena monster right there.


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[Assistant] Now I tried very hard to come up with a way to talk about Barack Obama's legacy tonight, but after looking at the scope of his presidency, I realized that anyone who thinks they can sum up the last eight years in a few minutes would have to be a delusional egomaniac. Did someone say delusional egomaniac?


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[Assistant] You're talking to us from that place you live with John Stewart? Yeah, John, sorry he can't be here, but he's out in the woods right now, teaching a wounded moose to read. Sounds like John.


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[Assistant] No. No. How many times do I have to scream that at the lawyers? That's my identical twin cousin, Stephen Colbert. I'm Stephen Colbert. It's easy to tell us apart. He has a birthmark that looks like Mary-Kate. Mine looks like Ashley. Come on.


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[Assistant] Okay, noted, noted, I'm sorry. Well, do you think you've got it in you to talk about Barack Obama's presidency? Steven, my middle name is Got It In Me.


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[Assistant] Okay, then, uh, I'll step aside. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome conservative pundit Stephen Colbert.


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[Assistant] Well, well, well, at long last, our America-hating secret Muslim lead from behind, terrorist fist-bumping, hopey-changing apologist-in-chief is leaving office.


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[Assistant] I just got one thing to say to him, and it's tonight's word.


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[Assistant] He expanded. He expanded our killer drone program. He spied on American citizens through the NSA. He let the Wall Street banks get even bigger and he never closed Guantanamo. But, folks.


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[Assistant] Other than that, I don't want to exaggerate here. Every year of the Obama regime felt like he was strangling a bald eagle with the American flag while taking a dump on an apple pie. That's why.


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[Assistant] That's what I wanna say. Thanks, Obama.


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[Assistant] Obama said we should save the American auto industry, so we said let it die. Of course. Of course.


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[Assistant] Opposing everything he said sometimes meant abandoning our own beliefs. Just take Obamacare. He said,


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[Assistant] He said it was gonna help people. We said it was socialism. Even though we know it was based on Romnicare. Still.


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[Assistant] Oh, the president killed Bin Laden, you say? Well, I say.


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[Assistant] I say he hated traditional marriage so much that he sent Seal Team Six to kill a guy with three wives. But now...


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[Assistant] Now the Obama era is coming to an end. And on behalf of everyone who opposed you, sir, I just wanna say...


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[Assistant] Without him in opposition, I am scared to be alone with my own thoughts. It's like that song about how fun it is to pave paradise and put up a parking lot. You don't know what you've got till it's gone. So, I know.


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[Assistant] I know the Constitution says you've got to go, but I will miss you. You are a worthy adversary.


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[Assistant] You were a leader of vision, patience, dignity, passion, and humanity.


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[Assistant] The way Terry was staring at the women on the floor was enough of an answer


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[Assistant] The last thing she could afford to do was antagonize Terry.


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[Assistant] Here, Porky," she said, holding the money toward him nervously.


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[Assistant] Smokey got up from the couch and came over and removed the money from her outstretched hand, Porky Granddad. You know you ain't got to spend no money, Terry. All you got to do is join the other ladies on the floor. She stared at him, astonished.