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[Assistant] Cause with him at the helm as a so-called general manager, your team is doomed. All right. So anyway, all right. What's up payments fish. Shout out to y'all, man. Appreciate you. Uh, it's all it's going to happen, bro.


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[Assistant] All things are going to happen, bro. Y'all just enjoy the season. Do not get down. I'm telling y'all.


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[Assistant] Do not get down on yourself for this upcoming NFL season. Enjoy it. Enjoy it because the truth's coming out. If Dennis Allen's who Mickey Loomis says he is, we shall see this upcoming season. If we're right and we've been right.


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[Assistant] And if we're wrong, then we'll apologize to Mickey, uh, aka Mickey Loomis. We'll apologize to him.


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[Assistant] But you know, we shall see. That's what I'm saying. Truth is coming, man. You can't run away from it.


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[Assistant] This, this is coming. I'd, uh, Ms. Chandler, uh, says that Ronald Curry knows the best West Coast system. He played in it for Gruden when he was a wide receiver back in early.


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[Assistant] Gruden coming aboard is, do you really think Gruden?


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[Assistant] Who's the Super Bowl winning head coach is going to take a sub role to Ronald Curry. That is a, you know, that's the thing. Cause the Gruden coming in as an alpha.


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[Assistant] I don't think he sits underneath Ronald Curry. I do like what you said. I just don't see that happening. You know, it'll make a lot of sense what, it'll make a lot of sense, but we know that's not what the saints are into right now.


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[Assistant] All right. All right. Gundip said that's why we're relearning offense. That's why with relearning offense, they need to be moving at light speed to get the new offense installed and played. Yeah. The good comment there, Gundip. Shout out to you, bro.


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[Assistant] Yeah, y'all dropping good game here, man. Y'all saying a lot of great stuff. All right. Archangel says, uh, no, don't fire the AA. Of course you're going to sit at your Atlanta man. Rise up. Yeah, I hear you.


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[Assistant] Keep dinner silent, bro. Y'all, it's gonna, y'all gonna help us with that next year. Y'all gonna help us with that next year. Let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you, you getting...


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[Assistant] You know him picking up that offensive coordinator Robinson from the, from the Rams.


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[Assistant] And doing all that, y'all gonna help out with Dennis Allen. I promise you that much.


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[Assistant] All right. Yeah. Yeah. Rich, shout out to Rich, man. Yeah, I'm just keeping it real, bro. A lot of people ain't gonna say that, man, but I'm just keeping it real. Word on the street and keeping it real, telling the family members what time it is. MSF is if they do not trade laddie, that wouldn't surprise me. Look at how many good players the Saints lost over the past couple of years. Thank you, bro. Appreciate that. That's what's in the, that's in the pipes.


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[Assistant] They're, they're hearing that Latamois and trade rumors, portion of why they restructured this deal.


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[Assistant] Uh, he could be promoting that, like, I'm tired of this, man. You guys, such a, such a, you never know, man.


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[Assistant] You never know, cause this is mismanagement bro. Anything is possible negative in terms of personnel would a mismanager operate.


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[Assistant] This is, and all of this is a stupid, feeble attempt to try to appease a Weasley coach that's ultimately going to end up getting fired. So you're going to, you're going to hurt your team in terms of player.


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[Assistant] Who you developed and turned into a top notch cornerback. You're going to get him out of here for a head coach that won't survive the season next year. Think about that.


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[Assistant] That's why I'm saying this guy is a general mismanager. He don't even have the forethought to even much capitulate what I just said.


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[Assistant] He don't even see that. That's why he's not a real, I kept telling y'all, not a real general manager.


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[Assistant] He wouldn't do it you won't sacrifice the best people on your team.


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[Assistant] For a head coach that won't even be here, won't even survive the season next year.


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[Assistant] Crazy. So you get double, you get double loss. You lose more personnel and you get rid of your head coach to find somebody else. You got to ultimately bring another guy in there. Listen, I like what Isaac Getham did last year, but that's a small servant of what Isaac Getham did last year.


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[Assistant] You know, I'm looking, you know, that's a small servant, but I'm not ready to get rid of laddy daddy just cause I seen that little old stuff last year. Shout out to Isaac. He looked really well, but I know what I got with Lattimore.


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[Assistant] Uh, you know, Alante had a tough season, but you know, you, you don't trade your top-notch cornerbacks if you can help.


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[Assistant] I'm just saying. Thank you for the super chat bro. Since Q, I mentioned Mickey wouldn't look stupid if he fired Dennis Allen, if he compared Dennis Allen to legendary coaches. Mickey doesn't.


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[Assistant] Likes to be proven wrong. Well, he wrong. He been proven wrong. The last two years have been wrong.


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[Assistant] He don't, he don't like people to challenge him. I know that, uh, Maldemar.


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[Assistant] He don't like to be challenged. He don't like, he don't like me challenging him like this. I've been told.


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[Assistant] And Megan Lummis does not like me challenging them. They don't like me making impersonations of them and all that. Well, too goddamn bad. Scratch your ass and drink a Coke. I mean, cause at the end of the day.


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[Assistant] This is what we're going to keep hammering you with until you get this team turned around. We're not, we're not, we're not just boasting up here talking about this. You're operating a foul bro. And I'm calling it out and I've been calling it out and I didn't, I wasn't hitting you like this at first, but as you get more belligerent, as you get more elitist, that's what I do. I turned it up too. And I ain't going to stop. Why should I? I'm keeping it real. I'm telling the truth.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying nothing. And then he gives you all the ammunition. He gives you the ammunition.


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[Assistant] To throw back at him. He gives you all of it when he starts talking. You're not qualified. You're lazy and unsophisticated.


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[Assistant] All this kind of stuff. He gives you all the ammunition, you draw it right back at him.


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[Assistant] He is, the guy self-exposes, man, is what I'm saying.


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[Assistant] Why don't Mickey step in and do something? Q, I say he ain't gonna do it cause that's what he don't know what to do. What are you going to step in and tell him what to do? He don't know what to do. He's a VP.


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[Assistant] Masquerading as a general manager. He's not a real general manager. I've been saying that. Have I not been saying that?


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[Assistant] Why you waited till after the year to give a dumbass speech when the year over with? Where was the stupid speeches during the year?


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[Assistant] Gad Terrell told you during the question, when she was questioning him in the end of the season press conference.


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[Assistant] That makes, she says, you have very little interaction with the players during the season. Put one in the chat if you heard Kat Terrell saying that. We played it on the show. She said.


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[Assistant] That you have very limited interaction with the players during the season. What did you say to him at the end of the season? Very limited. That goddamn guy sit up on his ass and I told you he don't do nothing. His door is closed. That's why he's when a couple of years ago when, when Jameis went to the press, Mickey Loomis did, he had his damn door closed. Where would Jameis gonna go?


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[Assistant] When guys are frustrated and guys are speeding all over the place, two of our wide receivers went to jail because they frustrated. What was Mickey Loomis at before all that happened?


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[Assistant] Weak ass speeches at Den when all that stuff was happening, huh?


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[Assistant] Maybe he spoke to him after the fact, but where was he involved that he did not involve in none of that? That's why you need a real general manager that can quell the room, that can come in here and make sure everybody's good.


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[Assistant] That keeps his thumb on the head coach who has very limited success in terms of winning games. You don't treat Dennis Allen like you would do a Sean Payton. Payton is proven. Dennis Allen is not. That's common sense. Common sense general manager 101. Being that he's not a real general manager, that's why you get him.


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[Assistant] Going away, then when you start lamb basing Dennis Allen, talking about how poor the offense looked, what did he do? He come out and made excuses for Dennis Allen.


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[Assistant] He got up there and berated you, berated the press, talked shit, and all this, and told you wasn't qualified, and at the end of the year when they fail, when he gets up here, looking like he high on something,


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[Assistant] With his eye bucking out of his damn head, glossed over his face, flushed, chewing on gum, drinking water, no, no, no flavor in the damn gum.


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[Assistant] Comparing Dennis Allen, this dude was out of his complete mind. And ultimately I'm saying somebody need to go over there and do a wellness check on that dude for real. Because it was like he was off meds or something. That was totally...


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[Assistant] Yeah, shout out to you. All right. What's up that boy alone? He says, Big Q, have you seen the same schedule for next year? I seen it, bro.


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[Assistant] I've seen the schedule for the Saints coming up next year and the wins versus losses breakdown. I've seen an article on that.


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[Assistant] How they're anticipating the Saints to have a, what they consider a salt schedule again next year.


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[Assistant] I would have to wait to see that to believe that because like this past year, uh, even though it's anticipated that the Saints will have a soft schedule in terms of wins or losses from the previous year, I don't think we'll go through that again this year. This past year that we just went through was the ultimate.


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[Assistant] Uh, version where the Saints could have actually went and done something positive. Like they could have won the NFC South. They could have made the playoffs and they didn't do it because they were mismanaged. They were mismanaged and talent mismanaged.


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[Assistant] All of this, they didn't make adjustments when they were supposed to. And then at the end of the year, Dennis Allen tells you that he's pissed that he didn't make the playoffs, even though he was the one that's responsible for not making the playoffs. How do you not have the forethought and the foresight to see that you was directly responsible and things that you should have did during the season? I thought you was a head coach before.


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[Assistant] I thought you were supposed to know how to act and to change guys around and not let guys sit on top of the offensive room when people are promoting you to make decisions, to make changes at the offensive level and you do nothing.


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[Assistant] You do not do anything. You do absolutely nothing.


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[Assistant] But you sit up here and at the end of the year says you're pissed. See, I don't have time for time wasting trolls and people that don't even see that simple stuff like making a change. Let this guy call the place for a couple of games. See how that happened. I didn't, he didn't even do that. And we're going to call him a head coach of a professional team. How did Mickey Lomas justify that? He said, well, that was really on me because I was supposed to do this.


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[Assistant] But we know Dennis Allen's not a real head coach. We know he's not a head coach. We know he lacks a lot of things to compete against real head coaches. They can only beat teams that's sub 500 teams or 500 teams. Competing teams, winning records, they can't beat them.


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[Assistant] They can't beat them. They're not prepared well. They're inconsistent. They're up and down. They can't run the ball. The offensive line looks like shit. But does he make any changes? No, he doesn't make any changes. He doesn't make any changes.


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[Assistant] I promise you that I'm gonna get to the bottom. He was saying that the whole year, man. We gotta figure out the answers, remember that? Derek Carline telling you he got the answers, they're in the building. Jeff Duncan, they said, well, what are the answers? Well, we can't tell you cause they're in the building. Remember that? We dealt with all that, man.


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[Assistant] I just, like I said, I don't think it's going to, I think at the end of the day,


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[Assistant] That the light will shine on the New Orleans Saints organization. We'll get sanitation going on. We'll get sanitized, man. I mean, the pressure of them winning, you gotta more improve.


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[Assistant] Uh, window of what's happening in the NFC South with these coaches that's coming in here. So you're going to have a lot more difficulty there.


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[Assistant] Uh, the, the fact that they're taking so long to do all this stuff dealing with the offensive realm. We'll see, man. We'll ultimately see what goes down. All right. Rock. Shout out to you, fam. Oh yeah. Rich. Thank you, bro. Appreciate you.


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[Assistant] So we just, we just tell it like it is, man. That's all we can do, man, is keep it real. But like I said, fam, I don't want anybody out there to be


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[Assistant] Uh, taking this upcoming season and looking at the New Orleans Saints and saying, oh man, here we go. Don't do that. Don't give yourself no also don't get down on it, man. Listen, this is veritized. This is what needs to happen.


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[Assistant] You know, we got a, we got a mismanager on top of the team who's arrogant, who's operating out of arrogance, and they always get the issue.


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[Assistant] You're going to get your issues sooner or later. And that's what's going to end up happening with this guy. We got the mismanager on top of the team. He can't protect his garbage time head coach coming up this year. He has to produce or get fired. He can't protect him. This is the year.


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[Assistant] So like I said, man, it's gonna be, uh, it's gonna be in the rest of the city, so don't take a down approach. I'm not gonna take a down approach on nothing.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep representing and keep doing, I just ain't gonna give them none of they damn, I ain't giving them no money. Don't you dare give them no money either. You keep your ass from all down there. Don't go down there.


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[Assistant] When they're disrespecting you like that, they're talking, oh, you know, now you, you guys don't know. And they got people silly out here saying, well, Mickey's right. You really don't know. Now speak for your damn self. We know what results are and what we supposed to be doing. We know what results are.


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[Assistant] Alright, Rock says, uh, you say the saints are Mr. Man, and so are the Panthers. That makes the Panthers runnin' into, runnin' into the ground.


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[Assistant] Well, Tepper is not a football dude. You don't have a football dude right there. You got an arrogant businessman too, but he seems to have learned his lesson, man.


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[Assistant] When you think you can win at everything and then you go into the NFL thinking you can win and you need football people to do it and they don't do it. I mean, it's just one of those things that people have to ultimately learn. But anyway, with that being said, we have to get right out of here.


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[Assistant] I appreciate y'all for chiming in. Y'all feel free to hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. By all means, feel free to share the show.


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[Assistant] On your social media feed. I appreciate you guys, uh, howling at me in this thing, man. Listen, I'ma pop in here on another time.


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[Assistant] Uh, later on in the week, I got a mock draft that's coming up for our Patreon and our YouTube membership family. The first mock, I got a really good mock draft that I got popping out to the family members on our TSC Unleashed Patreon stream and our YouTube membership family to be coming out.


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[Assistant] Uh, tonight. So you guys be looking out for that. So much love to the fam. I'ma holla at you on the next one. Much love and hoot at to you.


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[Assistant] I said, holy fuck. We're doing that. There are times when you think, ooh, that could be good. Or, mm, if we could find a place for it. And that was one of those circumstances where I just said, no, no, no, we're fucking doing it because


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[Assistant] As a character goes back to 2013. So I've been, you know, in love with this kid for 10 years by the word ever was eight years. And now we're making this new version of this kid. And this bit of backstory was so gorgeous to me and so upsetting, but it also explains something important because.


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[Assistant] Well, here's an answer and what I loved so much about it was that the answer was soaking in sadness. And there was such an opportunity.


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[Assistant] To see a mother give birth. I've had two kids and each time when the child emerges, there's this just.


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[Assistant] Release of emotion like this is, there's not anything that you even feel happening. Like, you know, you feel like you're about to cry. You can, it's like there are signs and it's coming.


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[Assistant] Baby comes out, no lead up, just nothing, tears. Boom. Just instant. Yeah, like instant. So that kind of moment of pure joy.


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[Assistant] Followed by this terrible acknowledgement that you will have maybe two or three hours or a day.


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[Assistant] And that's it. And you are not gonna be able to do your job as a parent. And the whole theme here of Joel failing to keep his daughter alive and Joel struggling to keep Ellie alive and here's the first person in Ellie's life.


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[Assistant] And I've talked about this a lot with both of you guys, but I want to say it on the show because it means a lot to me. Troy is a master of a thousand voices.


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[Assistant] I have been, Troy's voice has been in my head across I don't know how many games. But the thing about Troy is when you meet him, he doesn't necessarily sound like any of those people.


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[Assistant] Whereas you sound exactly like Eleanor. And it is so...


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[Assistant] Rattling and gorgeous. It's hard to explain, but you and Ellie are so intertwined. I see you and Ellie have this overlap that is astonishing and it's so exciting to me as a fan. Like I know people listening to you right now are like,


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[Assistant] Holy shit. These three dipshits are sitting in a room with Ellie. You know? Because you, I don't know, it's just, that's why...


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[Assistant] To bring it back to this opening and why I am so proud of it and why I think it works so well and it makes me cry every time I see it is because you can feel.


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[Assistant] Like a handoff, you can feel this beautiful connection from Ellie's mother to Ellie. There is Ellie-ness traveling through you. It's why.


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[Assistant] One of my favorite little moments, I mean, we had these two babies that were fraternal twins. One was a girl and one was a boy.


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[Assistant] She was better also. She was ultimately cheaper for us because if we had to use the boy in certain scenes, we're gonna have to like digitally paint out as, you know, his situation. So it was much easier with the crop. But, so she's got this little baby there and the baby's screaming and, and, and Anna, played by Ashley,


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[Assistant] Which theoretically is also played by Ellie in its own weird way, is saying, yeah, you tell them, you fucking tell them Ellie, like.


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[Assistant] Ashley Johnson is essentially saying, I know you little kid, you're like me.


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[Assistant] I like how angry you are. This is Ellie. Go get him. And yeah, go get him. Go fucking get him.


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[Assistant] I don't believe we wrote, oh, you're so tough, right? That was just you having a natural maternal response. And all you're so tough was maybe my favorite line, which just, you just said, because I love anything where.


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[Assistant] Ellie's genetic creator is acknowledging that there's something tough there. Even if she's giving her some shit about it, cause she's not that tough yet, she will be.


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[Assistant] And what I guess it's important for people to understand is you played Ellie and then I watched you.


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[Assistant] And Neil was there from the beginning making this thing and we absorb your Ellie.


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[Assistant] That Ellie is in our brains and in our hearts when we start to write Ellie for television, but also cast Ellie. This is not coincidental.


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[Assistant] And so it was therefore also so obvious that we should then make you.


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[Assistant] Her mother because there is a genetic continuity. She is your daughter. She's your daughter by performance. She's your performance kid. And so we pick her because we felt like she fit into this thing that we understood that you're so much a part of. So it makes total sense.


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[Assistant] And, and, and saying, oh, I want to make space for her. That's a very Ellie thing. It's just, you guys are Ellie. You're both Ellie.


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[Assistant] We need time to meet Ellie ourselves, and we identify with Joel from the start. Joel is clearly the, he feels like the main character, the protagonist. We see him prior to all of this with his own daughter, and then there's this kid, he has to take her somewhere. We are discovering her through him.


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[Assistant] And it was important, I think, to not short circuit that by showing us stuff about her that he didn't know and to give her unnecessary context. It's better to watch her becoming who she is with him.


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[Assistant] And let that relationship be its own thing and then when nobody is expecting it.


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[Assistant] To throw this heavy right hook. It does two things. First,


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[Assistant] It contextualizes Ellie in a moment where we are the most concerned about her. Because when we came off of the episode prior,


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[Assistant] She had just killed a man in the most brutal way and had clearly been traumatized by her experience with him and.


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[Assistant] The other thing it does is it connects her birth to the choice that Joel has to make at the end of this episode. Marlene is there. So we now understand, okay, all the way back in episode one,


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[Assistant] Marlene said, I put you there, Ellie. Were you my mom or something?


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[Assistant] Was a joke then, but here we kind of answer the question of who the mom is and in a way Marlene was her mom because from basically two hours after she's born, Marlene becomes the woman who looks after her. And


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[Assistant] It also cuts to the nature of her immunity, so when we get to the end and there's Marlene saying, I was there.


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[Assistant] When she was born. And Marlene leaves out this fact and I was the one who killed your mother.


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[Assistant] What will Joel be as a father?


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[Assistant] So we have this maternal act of creation and this maternal nurturing, but also a maternal appreciation for toughness, you know, and you fucking tell him Ellie and you're gone. And instead there's this guy and now it's his job and what will he do? We know what you did to keep her safe. What will he do? And.


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[Assistant] That's why that had to be there, and I think that opening sets the stage for everything that happens in this episode.


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[Assistant] The stunt people on the show don't get enough credit for what they do. It's the way they would throw their bodies around. It's astonishing.


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[Assistant] I'm not saying that you in your job trying to liberate the world are going to have either the time nor inclination nor ability to raise this kid.


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[Assistant] I think Ashley's exactly right. You're in a moment where you are.


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[Assistant] Asking the biggest thing ever and you have no time for bargaining. You just have to go straight to here's my basic minimum. Anything beyond that is great, but my basic minimum is find someone.


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[Assistant] In the world to protect and raise this kid. And even if you don't think Marlene is the one who's gonna be able to do that, the one thing I think that Anna knows is that Marlene will not pick somebody bad. And in fact, Marlene was brilliant.


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[Assistant] Marlene didn't pick a person to raise Ellie. She picked Fedra. Her enemies. Her enemies. And it's exactly what she says to Ellie in episode one. I knew that's where you would be safest.


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[Assistant] Well, and that's the other thing. She wasn't going to be checking in on her every day. She wasn't going to be crazy at Marlene, just checking in on her. Quite the opposite because the closer you get to Marlene, the more likely it is that you're going to be hurt because Marlene is a criminal in this new world. She's an outlaw.


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[Assistant] Before I was bitten. Before. And she says before twice because it's very clear that Marlene's like, I don't buy that. And she just is like, I think even when Anna says before the second time, I think she's almost saying don't.


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[Assistant] Fucking question my lie now, just go with it.


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[Assistant] I'm gonna choose to believe your obvious bullshit because it's the right thing to do in this moment or because the alternative is unthinkable.


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[Assistant] And that's a great point that Neil's making, like...


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[Assistant] The natural course of action takes place and little baby Ellie is infected because you were infected and she was connected to you by blood.


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[Assistant] Well, in a couple of hours, infant Ellie is going to start twitching and you know, and then freaking out and they're going to have to kill a baby.


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[Assistant] That baby could theoretically pose damage. What did that baby bites Marlene? You don't know and you don't care.


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[Assistant] That's the thing, like you say to Marlene, how long have we known each other? All our lives. So you do this for me, meaning like we are best friends and you're still putting her in danger because your baby matters more than her. And that is the theme that we will keep rolling around with the whole season, but especially this episode.


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[Assistant] After we leave Anna and we jump to the future, Ellie is distant and she is clearly feeling the effects of the traumatic events that happened a month earlier.


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[Assistant] So the winter has ended its spring, but she is clearly experiencing some sort of post-traumatic stress.


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[Assistant] And she's shut off and cold, not because she's angry at Joel. She's just, she's wounded and she doesn't quite know how to process it. And Joel's trying to get through, which is...


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[Assistant] A kind of heartbreaking reversal of the way it used to be. You know, in the beginning when we see...


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[Assistant] Joel and Ellie having their first conversations walking down the road in episode three.


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[Assistant] She's a chatterbox and he don't wanna talk. And now he's a chatterbox and she doesn't wanna talk.


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[Assistant] Until we have this giraffe moment.


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[Assistant] That moment was entirely a cut scene.


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[Assistant] There wasn't really anything playable in the giraffe moment in the game. It was a cutscene that you watched as television and I didn't see a reason to not repeat it perfectly because I thought it was perfect. And if I don't need to...


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[Assistant] Joel seeing that Ellie was going to be okay, that she was still in there.


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[Assistant] Because when you are a parent and you see your child hurt,


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[Assistant] One of the lies that fear tells you is it will ever be thus. So.


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[Assistant] You panic and you begin to, to worry about the future and what is she going to be okay? Is she going to just end up spiraling into misery? Is she going to end up killing herself? These are the things that happen like within the blink of a parental eye. And then he sees this and he's like, she's still in there.


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[Assistant] She's going to be okay. And what I like about where we go next and it is the same in the game was.


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[Assistant] Hey, you know, we don't have to actually go any further. We can stop here.


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[Assistant] The only concern that he has at that moment, he's, he's not thinking like, oh, and when we get to the hospital, they're gonna, you know, need to kill you to get this thing out of the middle of your brain. He's, he's just saying.


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[Assistant] There's always been something bad out there between where we are now and where we're going. There's always a chance that something bad will happen.


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[Assistant] Maybe already, he's like, maybe already the world isn't worth it.


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[Assistant] Afterwards we'll do whatever you want. Right. But I have to finish. And she says, I'll follow you anywhere you go. Which I love. It's like...


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[Assistant] Set up very carefully. And in episode three, Joel tells the story of the scar on his head.


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[Assistant] And he says, yeah, somebody shot at me and missed and I shot back and I missed. And here he tells Ellie, uh, okay, it was me. Uh, that, that was the same guy. I tried to kill myself and he's telling her this and she's like, I know why you're telling me this. You know, so time heals all wounds.


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[Assistant] Realizing the enormity of what he's saying and the fact that it hadn't even occurred to her.


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[Assistant] That this whole time, he's been this person that she looks up to.


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[Assistant] And this person that saves her and this person that she wants to save because she wants...


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[Assistant] They don't say I love you. How they say I love you is they talk around it.


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[Assistant] So he's basically without saying, I tried to commit suicide. He says, I tried to commit suicide. And then without saying, I love you. And what does she, she says, well, I'm glad that that didn't work out.


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[Assistant] In a moment like that, how could you not want these two people to spend the rest of their lives together and


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[Assistant] I think 45 seconds later, people are attempting to take them apart forever. And I think maybe other shows have, they hug.


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[Assistant] You know? And one of them says, I love you. And this show, they're like, you know what I'm in the mood for? Shitty puns.


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[Assistant] And that, if he's gonna be like, I want you to read me puns, that is the two of them saying, I love you forever. That's what that is.


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[Assistant] That becomes your entire life. Yes. The notion that there is no such thing as life without you, that I don't even understand what life would be without you. It's a pointless life without you is set up in episode three.


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[Assistant] If Bill doesn't go through this life with Frank, he's not gonna write that letter and leave the letter behind.


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[Assistant] And the letter is not going to say to Joel, let me define you for who you are. And let me point out something I know that maybe you haven't figured out. This is why we're here.


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[Assistant] We are here to protect the person we love and God help any motherfuckers that get in our way or stand in our way.


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[Assistant] All these things that we've been talking about, right? They all roads lead to this moment. And so, uh, maybe the least fillery thing we did across this entire season was the Bill and Frank story, because it is the, like I said, the skeleton key for everything that happens.


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[Assistant] That's what does it. And what you will see throughout this episode, you can make a list and check it off how many times


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[Assistant] In an attempt to connect with her before the moment where he's honest, and then also later after he has been incredibly dishonest.


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[Assistant] Referencing their journey to this point. Chef Wardi, remember?


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[Assistant] It's five hour hike. We can do that. Remember? There's a lot of, Hey, we used to be pals and that was fun. And let's just go back to what that was. Remember how you wanted me to sing? I'll do that for you. Yeah, I'll do that. Remember? I said I was going to sing. I'm like, I'll, I'll fix a guitar. I'll teach you how to play guitar. Remember?


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[Assistant] No, one of the reasons why at the beginning of episode six or early on Ellie tells Joel that she tried to save Sam.


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[Assistant] And one of the things that was important to get out there between the two of them was that she didn't really understand the science of it, nor would any 14 year old understand that.


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[Assistant] But also Joel hasn't contemplated or anticipated anything beyond.


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[Assistant] I don't know, they're just gonna... Collect a sample. They're gonna collect a sample and they're gonna run it through their machines.


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[Assistant] Anticipated that that was what it was going to take because if that's what it was going to take, I think Joel would have figured out a way to maybe just never get there. There's no way he goes on this journey knowing that. And you can see the shock on his face when Marlene tells him.


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[Assistant] What surgery? It takes him a second or two and then it's just, no, no, no, no, no, no. Nope. No. Find someone else.


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[Assistant] Marlene did what she said she would do, which is she would keep Ellie safe. She would find somebody to bring her up and keep her safe.


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[Assistant] Check. Check. Did it. But Marlene is not there day in and day out. Marlene is not repeatedly saving Ellie's life. Ellie has never saved Marlene's life. But by the time we get to here, that's what Joel and Ellie have done with each other in every way you can imagine saving life, right?


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[Assistant] You have to be utilitarian if you're trying to achieve a goal. So back in episode five, Perry, played by our beloved Jeffrey Pierce, he tells Kathleen,


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[Assistant] You're the only one who changed things. Not your brother who is the idealist. You, the utilitarian. You change things. You're the reason we're free. If Marlene is going to somehow...


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[Assistant] Free America and try and get back some semblance of democracy.


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[Assistant] Then she has to be a utilitarian and this is the trolley problem writ large. People have been talking about this forever. And the truth is that if your goal is to save as many human lives as possible, if that is what you believe is the morally correct thing to do, then Marlene is making the right choice. Break some eggs.


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[Assistant] That is why the trolley problem is a problem. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] And people have been debating the end of The Last of Us since it came out.


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[Assistant] People will debate this, and people may look to this podcast for some sort of answer, and an answer will not be forthcoming, because the truth is, you can make an excellent argument either way. Well, we debate it. Of course.


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[Assistant] There is an instinct within all of us to do it this way, and there's an instinct within all of us to do it this way. And there's a lot of discourse about, that tries to rationalize why one decision would be better than another. And I have no problem with people engaging it, it's kind of fun to do as a party game. But the reality is,


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[Assistant] It's a dilemma and the point of a dilemma is it ain't easy and there isn't one right answer and I can make an outstanding argument.


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[Assistant] That Joel should have done exactly what he did and said exactly what he said to Ellie after and I can make an outstanding argument that he shouldn't have done any of that and that's kind of the point that


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[Assistant] As flawed human beings, this is one of the prices we pay for loving people. Loving people tends to trump simple morality.


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[Assistant] And that is sort of what it comes down to. And we actually need that instinct. So human instincts are not perfect.


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[Assistant] Human instincts are designed to protect your reproduction and the, the selfish gene and all that, but they don't always fire off in ways that make sense. The story I remember from my early fatherhood, my first kid was.


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[Assistant] Maybe two months old. And my wife and I are wheeling this baby down the street. Finally asleep. Finally.


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[Assistant] Baby's now awake, screaming, and I honestly wanted to murder him. I'm not saying figuratively, I'm saying for a moment, I was like...


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[Assistant] I'm going to run down the street. He's gonna hit a red light.


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[Assistant] And I'm gonna get him. And I'm gonna pull him off that bike. I'm gonna kill him. Because he woke my baby up?


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[Assistant] One of the powers of love is that it will motivate your hand to violence


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[Assistant] And the real interesting thing is who do you root for in a situation like that? Because I know when I played the game for the first time and I was playing as Joel, but I understood, you know, look, I'm, this is something that Joel is doing. It's not necessarily something I would choose to do.


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[Assistant] But what would I do and am I rooting for him? That became very complicated for me.


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[Assistant] And in the end, I think what I was so struck by when I played the game and why the thought of adapting it was so exciting to me was I felt a lot of things all at once. And that is hard for people to quantify. It makes people upset.


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[Assistant] I think it makes people uncomfortable. I think people want to...


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[Assistant] Concretize the choices and justify the choices one way or another because it's comforting to them. But I would suggest to people that they ought to sit.


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[Assistant] In the discomfort and uncertainty of the choices that were made because that's kind of the point.


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[Assistant] The rules in my head that we were following were simply if someone had a gun, they had to die. Not because he was angry at them because they were armed.


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[Assistant] But because, let's say the guy who puts his gun down and surrenders. Let's say Joel doesn't shoot him.


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[Assistant] Which you would think would be the noble thing to do. It's probably the honorable thing to do to avoid a war crime trial.


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[Assistant] You walk away, that guy picks his gun back up and shoots you in the back, Ellie dies.


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[Assistant] It's just the opposite utilitarianism of Marlene's. I will kill all of these people, even if, you know, they put their gun down because the only thing I care about is saving Ellie. Those nurses aren't, they can't kill Ellie. They can't kill him.


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[Assistant] The surgeon comes at him with a knife, boom. Doesn't even think, but doesn't even look at the guy. He no look shoots him because he's no longer concerned with anybody else's humanity.


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[Assistant] And what we are also seeing here is the manifestation of something that Maria warned Ellie about back in our sixth episode.


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[Assistant] Because Maria has heard from Tommy what Joel has done. All Ellie ever heard was his non-response to her question, did you kill innocent people?


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[Assistant] But what Maria knows from Tommy is exactly what they did, which is.


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[Assistant] Was probably very cruel because Joel is capable of dissociating.


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[Assistant] And that is something that people who have experienced severe trauma can do. And...


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[Assistant] The music choice here was incredibly important. We went around and I mean, there was all sorts of versions and the first versions as you might expect had sort of, you know, more actiony music or.


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[Assistant] There is no difference to him between I'm killing these people and I'm carrying her out. It's all connected. And the heartbreak of it is we're watching somebody.


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[Assistant] Burn his own soul to save the person he loves.


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[Assistant] And man, he really is good at it. And we were careful.


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[Assistant] And this is really comes out more in the editing, I think, than anything else, because when you're shooting action sequences,


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[Assistant] It's very odd. It's a lot of like jumping around and bang bang and then the blanks are going pa pa and then the cork hits are going pitui and it's very nuts and boltsy like how you're doing it. But in editing this with Tim Good,


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[Assistant] We wanted it to be less about a kind of physical competence and more about a mental competence. Everybody else is freaking out and he's not.


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[Assistant] It's that Hannibal Lecter thing. He ate her face and his heart rate never went above 68 or whatever. It's just when Joel dissociates and enters this mode, he is simply calmer than everyone else. He has no fear.


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[Assistant] Yes, yes, the journalist, uh, played by Saul Rubenek says, you know, who did you shoot first? And, uh, an experienced gunfighter will always go for the other experienced gunfighter first. And he's like, eh.


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[Assistant] I got lucky in the order, but then again, I've always been lucky when it comes to killing folks. That's kind of his way of sort of expressing this thing of just like, I don't know, in this moment, Joel shows us that he's got that same thing.


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[Assistant] Following orders. Half the people he's killing probably don't even know that there's a girl in that op, they don't even know anything about it. They're like, they're just there that day to, you know, because their friend was, had a cold and they had to sub in. It was like, it's why we show the bodies. You know, it's important.


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[Assistant] This is why, again, we recreated that moment one for one because it was so powerful to watch. Not just that moment, we recreated the entire editing pattern because it was so powerful to watch when I played the game. Marlene says, just let me go. Well.


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[Assistant] That was her mistake because, because what she's saying is I might actually survive this gunshot wound you've given me in my belly. Therefore, nope. Cause if you do live and he's right, she will come after Ellie.


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[Assistant] Terrifying in a weird way to me. And it made his conversation with Ellie in that car.


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[Assistant] So much worse, and therefore better. And Pedro did both sides of that gorgeously, cause you see him holding Ellie and he's like, the look on his face is, fuck.


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[Assistant] She's right. She's right. And the thing that Marlene says to him that sort of seals it is, you know, because I think she would want to do what's right and you know it. Like Marlene goes, wait a second.


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[Assistant] I'm not explaining shit to you that you don't get already. You already know you're doing something bad and that if she had a choice, she would say, absolutely sacrifice me to save the world.


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[Assistant] Uh, and he's not going to fail again. Not this time. And, and, and then on the other side of that cut, seeing him in the car alone, you can be forgiven if you thought he had, he had left Ellie in the hospital with Marlene because


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[Assistant] That is a perfectly reasonable thing to do and the expression on his face is incredibly ambiguous until we hear her moving. And we are very close to the game from this point to the end because, well, endings matter. And the ending is correct.


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[Assistant] I feel watching Pedro and Bella the same thing that I felt watching you and Troy. And that is, I'm not sure if Ellie is saying, okay.


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[Assistant] You're lying to me and I'm just going to hand wave it away and move on. Or if she's saying...


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[Assistant] And we are now forever changed in a negative way. Or is she saying.


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[Assistant] You're lying, but you just told me you're not lying and it's incredibly important to you and I love you.


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[Assistant] And I'm going to say, okay, I'm just going to decide to not dwell on the lie. Or is she so terrified that what she's suggesting happened happened?


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[Assistant] That she wants to believe him because the alternative is terrifying to her. It can be any of those things.


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[Assistant] I mean, for a guy that was constantly calling Neil saying, what if Bill and Frank had a life together? What if Sam were deaf? What if we, it was Kansas City. What if, what if, what if, what if, and this time I was like, no, no, no. And then at the end, he's going to say the thing and then she's going to say, okay, because that's correct.


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[Assistant] I think it was maybe just a flow thing, but also if there was one thing that we wanted to maybe pull on thread wise that led us to adjust the language slightly, it was that we wanted Joel to be, um, engaging in rhetorical bluster.


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[Assistant] You start rattling, you start rambling, you start going, and he's entering this kind of platitude cloud that


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[Assistant] Right. Exactly. And that's what I, when, what Bella does this great thing, like when Joel interrupts her, that none of that's on you. And she's like, I know, like shut the fuck up. I'm trying to say something important. And then he starts talking. And I remember talking with Bella on that mountain. I was like.


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[Assistant] You don't hear a goddamn word he says from that point. You, at that point, all you're doing is like, do I say it? Do I say it? Do I say it? Do I say it? And then finally she just has enough of Joel's talking and just says, swear to me. Stop talking. I wasn't listening to any of that.


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[Assistant] All the, the lead up I just did was me dancing around something. The dancing is over. Swear to me that you didn't kill a bunch of people and lie to me. And that's when.


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[Assistant] Pedro as Joel and you as Joel do this kind of amazing thing, which is to lie exactly the way human beings lie. There is no like.


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[Assistant] I swear. No, when we lie, we just lie. I swear. Right in her eyes. Didn't look away. Very important. Very important to not look away. Look right at her. I swear.


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[Assistant] That's a great point though, like, even if what she's saying when she says okay is, you know what, I choose to believe you, and let's just move on with this. It was, I choose to believe you, not I believe you. There was never a thing where she was like, oh well,


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[Assistant] There are times where you just don't because...


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[Assistant] And we will also take advantage of the freedom we have in television.


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[Assistant] What we can use in a new medium to tell that story and we will go through the same process of adaptation.


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[Assistant] It's us again and there will be Pedro and there will be Bella and we have fasting. And there will be blood. And there will be blood.


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[Assistant] I think we will be exploring further in the next season. I think this first time around, we were learning so much about how to create the infected and how to.


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[Assistant] Uh, televised them in a way that was exciting and didn't seem goofy or weird or artificial or.


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[Assistant] And I think we figured out that and I think.


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[Assistant] This next season, the interconnectivity of them and the risk of stepping on the wrong thing, that stuff is gonna be brought forward more for sure.


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[Assistant] Yes, Laura Bailey. I mean, this is how cool Laura is.


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[Assistant] I'm like, look, we're down to the final days of our production. It would be so awesome to get you in there.


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[Assistant] I found this and there. Beefaroni, Chef Boyardee.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I am joined today with my friend Philip Chase again as we continue our discussion of Vinland Saga. We are discussing book nine this time and Philip, there's a lot less symbolism on this cover. Do you want to chat about it for a minute?


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[Assistant] Exactly, exactly. Which I forgot to mention, we did our discussion of book eight over on your channel, and that's already live, so that'll be linked in the description. Make sure to check that out first for the beginning of this arc.


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[Assistant] Kill and eat a bear and then let them know by the way you're poisoned.


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[Assistant] Right, yes, and she, much like we discussed in the last arc, is following the mantra of a viking, the obligation to...


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[Assistant] Uh, avenge those that have been killed, which I loved.


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[Assistant] That he decided to go that route that, you know, as he's exploring the freedom, like the chains put on a woman and the freedom of that through girded, he then has


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[Assistant] A woman fulfilling being the physical representation of this Viking mantra. I thought that that was a really cool decision that he made.


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[Assistant] And we also see right away Einar, or Einar.


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[Assistant] Protecting the new Thorfinn.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. Not only that, it's, she has the father and she has the mentor or the one that took her on after her father's, yeaah, after her father's death. She has that dual, uh, influence on her just like Thorfinn got to have. Exactly.


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[Assistant] Well, okay, but I've changed. Instead, he very much takes responsibility and says, no, she's owed this desire for vengeance. She's, she's right. And, and just kind of like, facing.


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[Assistant] A display of strength and growth and self-awareness.


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[Assistant] Showing that he doesn't want his past to just fall away now that he's changed, but that he's still responsible for what he's done despite the internal changes he's made.


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[Assistant] Trying to instill in her this last, don't let this shape who you become. And just like Thorfinn, she fails at fulfilling that. She misses the mark and instead seeks out.


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[Assistant] Vengeance, and just like in the last arc we got to see in Einar and in Arnhaed,


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[Assistant] You gotta think about it. You don't have a choice because it's right here in front of you. This is a direct reflection or a direct consequence of what you've done. Whereas Einar was more of, he didn't do it to Einar, but it's the same sort of thing. So it's just escalating.


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[Assistant] We actually see him do it. Which, shoo. It went hard.


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[Assistant] Unfortunately, Hild was forced into that cycle. The difference, the very distinct difference between Hild and Thorfinn is that his vengeance affected many and he didn't care who he harmed.


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[Assistant] In his quest for vengeance.


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[Assistant] Uhm, you know, honored her as well and her interest in the crossbow and him explaining, teaching her how to use it, explaining to her why she can't use something like this and then even giving her opportunities to do the trade and to invent her own that would make it possible to her.


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[Assistant] I appreciate the role that he was able to be for her.


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[Assistant] Absolutely. And we get to see how incredibly smart she is in that first, in the beginning with her father, inventing with him, and then


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[Assistant] With, uh, uh, Hunter being, inventing this, this new type of crossbow.


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[Assistant] I love her mind, uhm, and once again we're seeing just a different kind of strength in her.


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[Assistant] She's very intelligent, very hard worker, and knows exactly what she wants, and this time she actually has someone that helps her and supports her.


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[Assistant] Parallel, you know, she's paralleling Thorfinn, but obviously she's also paralleling Gurdon in a lot of ways.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and we have the really powerful, uh,


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[Assistant] Absolutely, absolutely. As she's hunting Thorfinn in the snow.


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[Assistant] Uh, and Anar throws himself in front of Thorfinn once again and pleads for her to...


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[Assistant] Have mercy, and she has absolutely no interest in that. It is in the memory of her mentors, of her father and her mentor, that stays her hand. Reminding her, yeaah, of the last thing that her father


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[Assistant] Absolutely, I guess she had the upper hand, she had the right.


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[Assistant] To fulfill her vengeance, everything was lining up for her to kill him there.


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[Assistant] But yea, it was, it, it was the memory of, of those men as well as the pleading of Einar that made her say, okay, I don't believe you.


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[Assistant] These are just words, so I'll track you. I'll follow you.


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[Assistant] And she served as the physical tracking for us the reader as well to see as Thorfinn is going to continue to come against conflicts, as he's going to continue to be challenged left and right on these new ideals, if he slips up, he's got


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[Assistant] To waver in what he believes is the right path for him.


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[Assistant] Mmhm, that will be, yeah, and, and she was directly affected by killing.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and not wanting to continue the cycle, which I think is, I mean, that's...


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[Assistant] Really powerful to d- to display that, that she did not want to do to others what was done to her, where Thorfinn never took that into consideration.


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[Assistant] Even whenever Carly at one point goes up to her while she's on the ship and is trying to play with her death weapons.


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[Assistant] Uhm, not at ease in the midst of peace and just wants to kill somebody.


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[Assistant] I think it's also okay to just acknowledge that sometimes you can have a character that is committing evils and atrocities, but they're


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[Assistant] A fun personality type to hang out with.


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[Assistant] Oh yeaah, it's the difference of like the one is all, all is one mantra of, you know, we all exist because of the existence of each other and we all play into the circle of life versus dominance. Needing to be the greatest, the best, the most strong. And uh, and it's, yeaah, it's a completely different philosophy of life.


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[Assistant] Mhm. Yep, absolutely. And then, uh, we also get to see Siggy.


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[Assistant] No, no, so they're now in chains, which I think is interesting, they're actually not in chains, it's connected by rope, but we'll pretend, you know, the man who's...


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[Assistant] And, and even, it's, I find it interesting that he's trying, and they're all trying, to be unnoticed by her ineffectually, but...


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[Assistant] But his pride is so strong that he'd rather her not see him in this state.


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[Assistant] Which is a direct kind of contrast to how Thorfinn's postured himself.


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[Assistant] Coincidentally enough, if I can scroll ahead a little bit and just confirm... Yea, okay. I just want to make sure I'm not spoiling anything, but coincidentally enough, the thing that his father tried to...


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[Assistant] Floki, who's trying to get the throne for himself, well for his grandson. And uh, and now they're thrust together again as well.


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[Assistant] As you said, as a threat, even back then in Thor's himself. And we get that flashback.


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[Assistant] Uh, challenged to who he was, and so he made an enemy right there. And now he sees...


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[Assistant] Yeah, and we had a lot of symbolism for the throne in the first arc and here we are right back to it, but this time it's, it's targeting


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[Assistant] Thorfinn and trying to pull him in.


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[Assistant] Uhm, a different throne, but a throne nonetheless, and one that he does have every right to try to gain because of his heritage of...


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[Assistant] His mother. Again, I love that. You know, his little emphasis towards


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[Assistant] Towards women, uh, it's not, it's not Thor's lineage that gives him this right, though Thor's legacy does play a part in it. Uh, but it's his mother's lineage that gives him the right to that throne.


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[Assistant] People trying to manipulate him, trying to...


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[Assistant] Uh, from something that has nothing to do with them and he doesn't want them to be affected by things that's not their fault. And he saves them.


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[Assistant] And this child comes to thank him and this mother is terrified. You know, she-


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[Assistant] Asked his forgiveness. This child doesn't know what they want. You know, she obviously doesn't know the heart of Thorfinn. And then you have these men behind him saying,


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[Assistant] So you've got these people, once again going back to what Einar was-


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[Assistant] And, like, can you imagine how difficult it would be to be able to walk forward in who you're choosing to be with your past, constantly saying, I'm still here, and you can never escape me.


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[Assistant] Oh, doesn't it? Yeah, absolutely, and it's coming at him from all angles.


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[Assistant] He'll use the most, uh, non-lethal form of violence just to disengage and...


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[Assistant] Uh, ideology that he has that he has to confront the fact that sometimes you do have to confront violent people in a way other than just speaking, but he's still choosing to find ways to make them disengage rather than completely dominating them.


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[Assistant] The pacing slowing isn't a downfall for me because I think even in the first arc it was very clear that Yukimura's priority was in


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[Assistant] For me, and I think that he does execute those two things, what are his goal.


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[Assistant] Well there is action to come, so we've got some good stuff coming for the next couple of books. It'll be interesting. I'm excited to see what you think.


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[Assistant] Well thank you Philip for joining me for this discussion. We, as I said, the first book for this arc is on Philip's channel and we will continue this discussion. Uhm, I assume we'll have the next ones up.


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[Assistant] Uhm, but yeaah, please continue to chat with us in the comments for anybody that wants to continue the discussion about the characters, the themes, the plot, all of it. Uhm, and we will see you again soon. Bye!


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[Assistant] What's up everybody, Matt Moran here for another weekly update. So there's lots of news to go over here this week, of course. And, uh, the first news story is from Subaru. So they have revealed yet another teaser for the 2022 BRZ. So this time we get a look at the headlight and the fender and bumper area there in that little area. And, uh,


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[Assistant] A lot of people say it looks similar to a Porsche. I kind of agree with that, but I also think it's a nice evolution from the current BRZ. So they also along with that little teaser reveal that it's gonna be...


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[Assistant] Uh, fully revealed in less than two weeks here on November 18th is when we'll see the new next-gen BRZ. Uhm, and I don't know, for some reason I'm like strangely giddy about it. I think it's just nostalgia from the launch, you know, about nine years ago from the last one and so,


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[Assistant] Another teaser this week. Toyota has revealed that they made a sport roof version of the Supra for the online version of SEMA that's happening this year. And so this of course pays homage to the old Targa versions. It'll be fully revealed in less than two weeks as well and, uh,


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[Assistant] Uh, the structure, you know, for the lack of roof. Uhm, I think doing a target version would be really cool because


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[Assistant] You know, yes, BMW has a fully convertible version, but I don't think this would really


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[Assistant] Another, uh, brief look we got this week. Motor1 has spotted a quick glimpse at the front end of the next-gen Nissan Frontier in a video that was posted on the Nissan Mexico YouTube channel.


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[Assistant] But that's not for here in the States, so I'm not gonna cover that. But, uh, there is a shot that shows the truck lineup that includes the Navara, the Titan, and the one in the middle there, which is the Frontier. And so, uh, the blocky lines are what really give it away, cause, you know, it lines up perfectly with the shadowy teases we've seen of a very blocky front end. And this really, you know, fits with that, I think. And so,


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[Assistant] We'll see something soon. I think autoblog hinted at the idea that we could see something before the end of this year. We'll have to wait and see, but uhm, yeaah, so.


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[Assistant] Looking forward to that new Frontier. Uhm, moving on from all the teasers though, Volkswagen this week revealed the 2022 Golf R. So the best news here is that it's going to be coming to the U.S. and it will continue to be offered with a manual transmission, which is huge. Uhm, they said they really fought for that and they wanted to keep this as an enthusiast vehicle and so,


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[Assistant] That's awesome, they kept it around. It also gets lots of great performance improvements as well to go along with the new styling. It still runs a two liter turbo four cylinder, but it now does 315 horsepower and 310 pound feet of torque.


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[Assistant] Good bit punchier, which is nice. It gives it a 4.7 seconds 0-60 run according to Volkswagen. And it'll continue to also offer the 7-speed dual clutch, too. I'm guessing get that in a faster 0-60 time if you want it. Uhm, you do have to pay extra for that DCT. The manual's gonna be the standard transmission.


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[Assistant] Uh, there's also comfort mode, sport mode, race mode, individual, and special mode. So the special mode actually sets the car up to the same exact settings it has when it did it's Nurburgring lap times, uhm, which they claim are 17 seconds faster than the old Golf R or the Nurburgring.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so that's, I'm sure, like a very racy setup, so that's kinda cool they give you that, but that's a fun little touch. Uhm, the interior's nicely sporty as well, with fake carbon fiber trim, sports seats, 30 color ambient lighting, digital gauges, and all the other new tech from the new Golfs, you know, with the touchscreen and all that kinda stuff.


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[Assistant] It also gets a sunroof as standard now. And uh, currently there's only gonna be three color choices. This blue, black, and then white. Uhm, I'm guessing they'll open it up eventually. I think they would offer like a silver or something since that's such a popular color.


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[Assistant] No pricing by the way yet for that Golf RS, we'll have to wait and see what the actual US pricing is for that.


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[Assistant] I mean, this is a very rare thing we'll never see, but briefly, uhm, the main addition is it has a new spoiler made from curved carbon fiber reinforced plastic that was crafted by the same craftsman that worked on the LFA. So that's that special, uh, bit, but the winglets on the spoiler actually do smooth out turbulence, they say, in that area.


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[Assistant] Which they claim improves yaw, steering response, and high speed stability. Other components of this edition are these new black 21 inch wheels, along with a blacked out grille, headlight and tail light trims also blacked out where it's usually a little bit shinier.


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[Assistant] Also, Jeep this week has revealed, uh, that they're adding the Willy's Tram to the Gladiator for the 2021 Malta year, and so,


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[Assistant] You know, it's been around on the Wranglers and stuff for a while, but now on the Gladiator it's a new addition. So,


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[Assistant] Then adds the rock rails and the shocks from the Rubicon along with the limited slip differential, unique 17 inch wheels, 32 inch mud terrain tires, and uh, kind of packages that all together with that unique look.


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[Assistant] But anyway, those are gonna be starting at $36,760. That's kinda nice, they're doing a special edition model.


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[Assistant] So this is different than the sport package, which you can still get I think for 2021.


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[Assistant] Anyway, this A6 Sport is based on a regular A6, but does actually boost the power a bit from 248 horsepower to 261 horsepower.


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[Assistant] Torque is unchanged at 273, though, so, you know, no changes there. Uhm, the 0-60 time is also the same, uhm, so you might not feel that extra power, at least at lower speeds. Uhm, and so that sport, in addition to giving you that extra power, it also includes the black optic exterior package for a darker look, which is what you usually get with the sport package.


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[Assistant] The difference is this package, uhm, might be the best value in the A6 range because it's only $500 more for the extra power and the black optics, which usually the black optic package


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[Assistant] As part of that sport package, it was like $1800 extra, so you could just get this sport model, get all that stuff for only $500 more, and get the extra power as a bonus.


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[Assistant] Uhm, that's a nice little value there, surprisingly. So that's cool and it's gonna be on sale pretty soon. Uhm, Audi has also revealed some of the specs here for the coming RS e-tron GT. I guess they're putting the RS in front of the name now instead of behind it. We still don't know when exactly it's gonna be arriving, uhm, but


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[Assistant] Uhm, it still is impressive, I mean it's like a 3.5 seconds 0-60 time is slow.


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[Assistant] But for an electric car that's gonna be as expensive as this is, I don't know, I guess, at least I was expecting a little bit more, but maybe it's just me. Let me know what you think in the comments. But it's also gonna be getting controlled damping, air suspension, larger brakes,


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[Assistant] And all-wheel steering that can do 3 degrees of counter-steer up to 30 miles per hour. And then beyond that, it'll turn them in the same direction as the fronts for better high-speed response and stability.


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[Assistant] They also added that the four heating and coolant circuits regulate the temperature in the interior and the high voltage components and the result of that is that you get higher power output on the road and high performance with fast charging.


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[Assistant] So, it all sounds very impressive, uh, you know, I, I think this is gonna be set up a little bit softer than the Taycan. Not that, I don't, I mean, I haven't driven a Taycan, but I don't think it's insanely stiff, so.


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[Assistant] You know, they have adaptive suspensions and stuff too, but I think Audi's gonna have obviously the different interior set up with the dual screens and all that kind of stuff. So, there'll be some differentiation there, but I wonder if people are going to pick this over getting the Porsche, but we'll have to wait and see.


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[Assistant] And some other electrified news. There's a new rumor from website Motoring File that Mini is working on a fully electric version of the John Cooper Works GP. And uhm, they actually spotted a prototype testing, which I will link


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[Assistant] In the description below so you can go check out those pictures, I don't have the rights to share those pictures, but you can check them out, the link below, but basically it's just a GP that has a blocked off grill from the regular electric mini, and there's no visible exhaust.


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[Assistant] So, it's pretty safe to assume it's an electric version if you don't have cooling and you don't have exhaust.


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[Assistant] So, yeaah, I mean, that sounds like a really cool, you know, potential combo, because, you know, I'm not sure what they would do performance-wise with it, but my guess, if you're gonna have something that's GP-like with its power, something crazy, uhm, they could give it all-wheel drive by just adding two of the SE motors, one in the front and one in the back,


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[Assistant] So if you put that same motor in the back there, you could potentially have 362 all-electric horsepower. And that wouldn't be a problem, I don't think, packaging-wise, since they delete the rear seat anyway in the GPs. You could kind of put it where that rear seat is if you need extra space there.


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[Assistant] And if you have double the motors consuming power, I mean, they would definitely have to upgrade the battery pack somehow to, you know, make it reasonable for the range.


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[Assistant] So I don't know what they're gonna do with this. Maybe they'll just do a juiced up version of the regular Cooper SE and have, you know, 200 horsepower or something with the crazy looks. I don't know. But anyway, uh, sounds like a very interesting thing and it's a cool, uh, find that motoringfile found here. Their anonymous sources are claiming the model hasn't been greenlit yet though, but


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[Assistant] You know, it was something they were pretty confident they were gonna make, so we'll have to keep our eyes peeled for that and see what develops there. Automotive News Europe, uhm, and another electrified story here, they are, they talked with Aston Martin's CEO recently who revealed that Aston is back to working on an electric vehicle, you know, it was kind of on again and off again with Lagonda and that being like a fully electric brand.


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[Assistant] But now, so, you know, there was just the news in the past week or two here how Mercedes is gonna be, uh, now owning 20% of Aston Martin.


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[Assistant] We'll be the electrifying stuff here. So that's kind of the new development here. And so Austin, the CEO said,


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[Assistant] Uhm, it'll use a Mercedes platform, but the, uhm, other hybrid Astons that are also coming


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[Assistant] Uhm, those could use either in-house tech that they're currently developing and working on.


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[Assistant] Sounds like Aston Martin must be competitive with the electric stuff, and that makes sense because they're not the only ones. The other story that just came out this week, uhm, according to AutoCar here, is another high-end electric car that will be arriving by 2025 is from Bentley. So Bentley, uhm,


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[Assistant] This is one of their first steps in their Beyond 100 plan, which boldly plans out that the entire Bentley lineup will be going fully electric by 2030 now. So that has been moved up. Uhm, originally earlier this year they came out with this plan and they were saying 2040 was gonna be when they're gonna phase out the gas Bentleys.


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[Assistant] But now, uhm, they have changed that and moved it up to 2030, uhm, which is pretty ambitious, I mean, still 10 years away, I guess almost 9 at this point, but,


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[Assistant] That's uhm, you know, big change to get rid of all your gas engines, have everything that you make be electric. Uhm, I mean, they're a small brand, but still, that's a pretty big commitment.


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[Assistant] So they're going to be reducing that to make everything, you know, uh, more green, I suppose. And in the meantime, they plan to roll out two new plugin hybrid, uh, models.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so I'm not sure how quick it would be in the Bentley application. I don't know if they would use, you know, the twin turbo V6 like all those do, or if they'll go with the twin turbo V8 from the Panamera turbo SE hybrid, I believe that still has a V8.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so we'll have to see on all that stuff, but that's pretty interesting. And also, in addition to those plans by 2026, they plan to offer only plug-in hybrids and fully electric vehicles. So, I mean, even sooner, you know, you're not gonna be able to get a non-hybrid Bentley in roughly five years, which is crazy. They're doing this quick.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then the full EV switch again happens in 2030. Uhm.


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[Assistant] And don't think it's just gonna be, uh, you know, different versions of the Taycan platform either for the Bentley's, with Bentley actually emphasizing, uhm, in this quote, uh, with this Autocar story that, uhm, their 2025 EV, whatever that model is, uhm, it will be on a totally new platform and said,


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[Assistant] In addition, that the most important thing is not to just make electric cars, we've got to make Bentley's.


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[Assistant] So, you know, I think the whole new platform thing is probably going to use the same architecture as other Volkswagen Group products. But I think as far as the actual platform itself goes, it will be unique to Bentley. And uhm, you know, they're going to give it that Bentley refinement and feel.


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[Assistant] You know, with electric you get that. I think the only thing you're giving up with the electric bentleys would be the grand touring function because even with a massive battery pack,


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[Assistant] But that's the only compromise, otherwise I think this is a great thing, and they said they're embracing it, they think it's a great change, and they're excited for it. So uhm, but yeaah, the days of, you know, screaming Bentley's with their twin turbo V8s, and the old stuff back in the day of supercharged V8s, and you know, W12s, all that, that's all gonna be history here in about 10 years or so.


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[Assistant] And so that actually came to fruition here in the past week or so. So the last Continental rolled off the line on October 30th, according to Ford Authority. And so,


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[Assistant] This leaves Lincoln without any cars at all because the MKZ just got killed off back in August and that's done now too.


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[Assistant] And uhm, so yeaah, it's uh, it's kind of sad because I don't think we're ever going to see another sedan from Lincoln unless the Cadillac electric sedan that's coming, you know, several years down the road that's going to be six figures.


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[Assistant] If that does really well, maybe Lincoln will want to throw their hat in the ring with that or something. Otherwise, everyone just wants SUVs, and you can't blame them, you know, if no one's buying the sedans, what are you gonna do? I think Continental sales were like 12,000 in their first year, and then every year after that it's been like several thousand less, and it's just dwindled off. And so, no one buys them, they quit making them. It's that simple for any car.


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[Assistant] And, uh, that's just the fate of the Continental set. I was really excited when it came out, but I think, you know, it just needed to be a little bit bigger, needed the, uh, you know,


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[Assistant] That, you know, has a nice large trunk, nice large backseat, very luxurious. And the Continental was luxurious, but I think, you know, it just wasn't quite as high as, you know, some people kind of wanted as far as the space and stuff, so.


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[Assistant] Anyway, yeaah, at least Cadillacs got their, you know, flagship sedan still coming down the road. Hopefully that, you know, continues on. Uhm, but.


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[Assistant] If you want something high end, you're gonna have to go, uh, elsewhere and not buy American when it comes to that kind of stuff, which is just crazy, but, uhm, it is the times we're living in. But yes, that's it for all the news this week, guys. Let me know your thoughts and everything in the comments below. Thank you guys very much for watching. I hope you continue to stay safe and healthy, and I'll see you guys on the next one. Take care.


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[Assistant] Surprise! We went live a little bit earlier today. Welcome to the Raw Podcast because, Pete, I'm just too excited to talk about Brock Lesnar versus


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[Assistant] Omoz? What did he call him? Omos? Omos. Brock Lesnar vs Omos?


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[Assistant] Is an actual thing that is actually happening at actual WrestleMania.


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[Assistant] Why though? Because I am Luke Owen D.A.D and I'm joined by Chopper Pete Quinnell. Welcome to the Raw Review Podcast here live on the WrestleTalk Podcast channel. Please, if this is your first time here, press the subscribe button, leave a little comment down below, give us a thumbs up and all of that. Also check out the latest episode of


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[Assistant] Worst. Match. Ever. Let us know in the chats as well. Uhm, do you think that the Miz vs Damian Priest?


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[Assistant] Which I have since learned because I was really focusing on the spelling of Damian. Damian. Damian Priest. Yeah.


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[Assistant] Was Damian Priest vs The Miz in the Zombies match worse than Goldberg vs Undertaker? Let us know what you think. And also get in your comments down below if you're watching this on demand. But if you're watching live, you can join the conversation.


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[Assistant] WrestleTalk.com forward slash support. Get in your ultra chats, we'll read out all of them above the five U.S. dollar amount before the end of the show. Any thoughts on West Match Ever before we get into this? It's fun, innit?


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[Assistant] Just said, I'm gonna challenge Brock Lesnar to a match at WrestleMania.


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[Assistant] Lol. No you're not. Well that'll be a funny thing that will get teased for a week and then come Monday.


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[Assistant] It'll be a big swerve reveal, and Brock Lesnar just F5s MVP, and he F5s a moss, and then we find out what Brock Lesnar's actual program for Wrestlemania is gonna be.


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[Assistant] Yeah, or a Lesnar-Lashley-Wyatt three-way. Exactly. Something along those lines. Or Lesnar-Gunther, which is, you know, what we've been teasing since the Rumble. Or at least we teased at the Rumble.


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[Assistant] So that's what we all went in there thinking. This entire week has just been, like, Twitter's been ablaze with just like


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[Assistant] Triple H wouldn't just book that match at WrestleMania. That'd be a really weird match for Triple H to book at WrestleMania. Triple H has got something up his sleeve. Old Daddy Trips. The promised savior of Monday Night Raw. He's got something tucked away in his little trunks about what we're gonna do with this actual Brock Lesnar match.


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[Assistant] But no, we're at the VIP lounge with Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar comes out first because he don't wait for no introduction.


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[Assistant] And he asks MVP to come out. I thought MVP was quite funny being like... He was good.


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[Assistant] And Brock Lesnar promised that he would not suplex.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so MVP gets in the ring, Brock Lesnar sits down and he's like, look, you're a promoter.


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[Assistant] I've worked with a lot of promoters around the world. Sell me on the idea of this match. I've written my notes here. MVP cuts a promo that legit makes Brock Lesnar vs Amos sound like a good idea.


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[Assistant] We know this! Yeah, but he is taller though. So? So, well, if a moss gets on a hold that Brock can't get out of, what's he gonna do? Kick him in the knob, I guess.


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[Assistant] And so Brock was impressed by this, and he accepted the challenge. Just straight up said, yeah, right? Yeah, right, fine. Sure. I'll take on Omo's.


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[Assistant] And then they then had, I would say, arguably too long.


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[Assistant] Maybe too many times about whether or not they were going to shake on this deal, what they were going to drink on this deal, and this and the other. And eventually, what the punchline was is that Brock didn't want to drink any of MVP's champagne.


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[Assistant] And so he brought out a flask that had white lightning in it. Now.


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[Assistant] I'm guessing in America, white lining is just something different.


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[Assistant] And then you go and drink that in a park. Yeah. With your mate. Yeah. With, you know, two ciggies between you. Uh huh. Between the eight of you. Yeah. Like that is what white lightning is to me. So when Brogles is like, ah, it's white lightning. I'm like, you cheap bastard.


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[Assistant] Anyway, so it's, it's clearly something different in the States. It's probably like, you know, a really like, uh, distilled spirit, very strong one would presume because MVP took a big old swig of this.


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[Assistant] And he nearly like, uh, joked it up and he spat it right in Brock's face. And then quite humorously was like dabbing, dabbing Brock with the, you know, on the forehead with his, his, uh, handkerchief and stuff. It was a little pocket square.


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[Assistant] So there it is, everyone. No Omos in this segment, by the way. No Omos in this segment. Omos. Omos. He was not there to be seen. Oh no Omos.


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[Assistant] What we thought was a bait and switch last week is just the plan. What are your thoughts here?


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[Assistant] Brought you to the decision to waste your Brock Lesnar appearance on a match that legit no one wants to see.


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[Assistant] I'll give you that. Muscleman Malcolm wants this match to happen, but I think that is also ironically good. Yeah! I think so as well.


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[Assistant] It's a five minute Brock Lesnar match. What, I don't really see what the big deal is. What's the, you know, why are we getting upset about this? Yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda. It's just, it's, it's the piss break match. It's just, it's when you go get refreshments. And I'm there being like, oh,


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[Assistant] Did WWE condition people to think that's okay? Yeah, just don't have that. Yeah, you don't have to book a bad match at Wrestlemania.


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[Assistant] Just because you have to have a toilet break. Pace your show better and you don't need one. Yeah. I don't see, I just don't see that as a credible argument of, ah well, doesn't matter does it? Because it's only a Brock Lesnar man.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I don't, so for me that is an argument that doesn't stand up. So I then come back to this like, I don't understand this decision. Is this, is this a Vince McMahon call?


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[Assistant] You don't think, you think this is full on trips? I think it's trips. Yeah? Yeah. What, why do you think it's trips and not of any Mac thing?


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[Assistant] No, no, no, I don't think so either. So uhm, Sean on the Fightful post show, the way that he phrased it was,


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[Assistant] I am 70% sure he's back in creative now. After watching this episode of raw, I'm 70% sure he's got some handle in creative. He also added, I'm 99% sure he is at least having inputs.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that was short. Big point of that is that regardless, it is Triple H's final decision, rather than the other way round that it used to be was that Triple H was in creative meetings and he had input.


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[Assistant] Vince McMahon had final sign off. This is very much the case the other way around. Vince can say like, hey pal, I think this would be a really good idea. Ultimately it is a Triple H call.


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[Assistant] A Vince McMahon input that Triple H has just gone yes to, because if you say yes to one idea, then Vince doesn't present you with ten others.


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[Assistant] So there's this school of thought within, uh, the filmmaking world that, uh, a producer's role on a movie is they just want something creative to be shown up on screen so they can say, oh, that was my idea. That was mine. Yeah.


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[Assistant] I've interviewed several Hollywood writers over my years. And one of them once told me a story of the way he sees producers. He's worked with producers before who have just said in every creative meeting, I think the lead characters wear a white hat.


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[Assistant] Like that's the, like they're just bringing that one idea here. And eventually you just have to relent to that one idea because it just gets them to stay quiet and they don't then present anything else to the ad-zoo. Like, okay, well I'll give you this one concession.


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[Assistant] And then at the end of it, when the film comes out, that one person, that one producer can sit there and be like, see that white hat?


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[Assistant] That was my idea. I think really the whole film hangs on the fact that that character is wearing a white hat.


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[Assistant] And I think that, in my mind, in my head canon, that is what we have here. Is that Vince McMahon went in, because as of November, the internal run down of this, according to Sean Ross Sapp, was, it was Lesnar vs Gunther.


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[Assistant] That is, as of November, that was the WrestleMania locked in match we were having, and that's why they did the tease at the Rumble.


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[Assistant] I think with Vince 7 back in, Vince is like, hey pal, I actually think Brock vs Amos is a much bigger marquee match. And Triple H is like, oh man, if he's thinking this is a good idea, that means he's going to come in with loads of other ideas. And there's only so many, there's only so many times I can say no.


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[Assistant] So I would say yes to this one. Sacrifice my Brock Lesnar match. My dream match that I could have had with Brock and Gunther.


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[Assistant] And give the old man this one concession.


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[Assistant] That certainly seems that's the direction we're going in now, doesn't it? Like the last couple of weeks of Smackdown really felt like we've, we've actually geared, we've, we've shifted more towards that direction.


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[Assistant] Two big lads. Kind of like, you know, yeah, cause I'm, I'm, I'm hanging a lot of my theory on that moment in the rumble, because when I saw that moment in the rumble, my big takeaway from that rumble was, oh, this is a rumble that has got actual stakes and it is setting things up to be paid off at future events.


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[Assistant] But, so I, you're right, I'm hanging a lot of my, my theory onto that one moment. Unfair, that may be. Uhm, but you're right, like, it could have just been.