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[Assistant] Uhm, our answer to that was can we use, uhm, uh, a system where we can incentivize people to leave more clues about what they like. Uhm, so we built an emoji-based social media and I'll try to demo this really quickly. Uh, yeaah, that worked.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so yeaah, so for example, okay, so the way this works, it's called opaco. You can leave reactions to places, but at the most you can use only five emoji. Uhm, so let's leave a quick reaction to like Stanford, or we can even be fancy and say Gates.


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[Assistant] Okay, so I'm leaving a reaction to the Gates Computer Science Building, I'm giving a talk, hopefully I'll be meeting people, and I'm, uh, you know, starstruck.


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[Assistant] Uh, and I'm posting. So, okay, so that took me a few seconds, uh, okay, a few seconds.


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[Assistant] Uh, but now I've just communicated that, hey, uhm, you know, I go hang out and give talks at, you know, good universities. Uhm, that's part of my, you know, taste profile. Now, suppose I was in the area and I was following some people, right, who uhm,


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[Assistant] Yeah, so these are like reactions people have been leaving around Stanford. Uhm, so, uh, someone got their Lexus fixed. Uhm, cool. Uh, okay, but suppose I really need coffee, so I can actually then search for coffee.


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[Assistant] Uh, doing work. Anyway, uhm, so that's, that's kind of how you can use opaco. Our, uhm, you know, we're at a thousand users, uh, about a hundred monthly active users. We, most of the users are in Urbana-Champaign, but, you know, that's why I'm demoing it here, so we can build up the user base here. Uhm, but,


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[Assistant] Honestly, the goal is to see if emoji can be a good way to both...


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[Assistant] But in design, what you are trying to capture, it changes over time. So like, trends change, uhm, what, you know, modern means in design changes all the time, but even the language itself, you know, changes over time, in fashion, in mobile apps, everything.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the other thing I want you guys to think about is how do you take these different design processes? One is like in product design and one is in


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[Assistant] Let's say machine learning design. How do you actually put them together to have a effective data driven design thinking process? I think we have it. I think that's a very open problem still.


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[Assistant] Uhm, and then the last thing is, you know, I talked about how important it was to correlate design choices to performance.


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[Assistant] Then step after that is predicting performance. So given a design, saying how good it is. Uhm, and then once you know what is kind of good or what those preferred outcomes are, you can use that data to actually start


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[Assistant] Generating and like just to tease you guys, uhm, you know, imagine these interactions where a designer might start designing a login.


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[Assistant] You know, screen puts down a logo and a login with Facebook button. But then, you know, this tool can actually suggest all these different ways to resize those, uhm, elements on the screen and add the missing elements. So really think of it as a way to autocomplete design.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I think that's kind of the, the future of where all of this stuff is heading and hopefully it's an exciting future.


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[Assistant] Uhm, this is my Data Driven Design Group, uh, and I want to thank you all for your time and happy to take any questions.


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[Assistant] He showed me the videos, you know about Chief Keef? I was like, who's that? I was like, 3 million video- 3 million views in one point- I was like-


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[Assistant] Yo, we need to work. And then after that, I did my homework and I hit his manager up like, yo, let's get it moving. And he was like, yo, can you come to Chicago like in two weeks? I'm like, let's go. I want to hear some beats. I hit Harrell up. I was like, yo, listen, I'm about to go to Chicago as a new movement. You need to come fuck with these beats.


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[Assistant] He was an intern at that time and I was living out here in LA so I used to get these label checks, get the marketing budgets, come back into town, give it to Duke like, yo go ahead, next artist, let's go. And I remember one day just sitting down packing up CDs and there was ASAP Yams.


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[Assistant] And he's like, yo, how'd, how'd you get this money and just come back? I'm like, bro, cause one day I can be broke packing CDs. So we got to always be humbled and always just do whatever we need to do. It was, it's a team effort. And I think he learned that cause Karen Civil.


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[Assistant] Word, like really told him like yo, mess with this beat stuff, like get into it.


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[Assistant] I don't really have an official title, I just do like marketing and, you know, like cultural events, you know, like agencies would reach out to me like, hey, can you put this together? Can you get this artist? Can you get this DJ? I'm like, hey, let's do it, you know.


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[Assistant] Yeah, and it was crazy cause it was like, I reached out to um, Pitchfork, bitch out to Ryan, and I was like, yo, you know about Young Chop, they're like, they're like, yo, we're going to put him in the rises, like, I'm talking about like, called him, three days later, he spoke to Pitchfork.


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[Assistant] And that's it. Everyone was calling him after that like, yo, who is this young chap guy? And that's it. Went to 285 Kent.


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[Assistant] Did all that stuff, you know, all that hipster stuff before it got closed down.


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[Assistant] All the time, til like 6 in the morning just chillin', blastin' music comin' from the studio. You know what I mean?


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[Assistant] Nah, I'ma keep it 100 with you, like, to me, he's a big...


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[Assistant] Big force on the marketing side of a lot of this Chicago drill movement. Like he's really, like he'll come to his mind and he will tell me something and then he will do it. Like the Instagram Live, like the Snapchat.


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[Assistant] Like the Twitter, like all these things, it will come to him first. He didn't have no like marketing label or team. It will just come to him and he'll just do it. And he will ask us like, yo, you think this is a good idea? I'm like,


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like stuff I would see him do, I'd be- I'll trip out like...


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[Assistant] You know, cause you know, you go to these think tanks and you know, you go to these like elaborate like meetings and there's champagne and it's like money and it's like...


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[Assistant] You're not thinking like him. And I'd be like, you know who Young Chap is? And they're like, huh? I'm talking, I'm in VC firms and they're like, we need to Google him and they see, oh, he has X amount, hundred thousands of followers. I'm like, you, you need to have him on that board to think.


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[Assistant] We should do that again, that was fun. I think the day I met him for Don't Like, maybe, maybe what, 13 days later, 12 days later, I Don't Like remix came out.


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[Assistant] He was living a double life. He knew what would happen if we found out. One slip could lead to disaster. Thousands of innocent people were killed. Sure, this life isn't for everybody.


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[Assistant] You're all the family I need. But if you want to give me a little brother or sister...


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[Assistant] Jessica convinced herself that Chester's infidelity and all the bad things that have befallen the Tates and the Campbells are a result of a curse. But even though they're cursed, she's still not too thrilled with Chester.


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[Assistant] Now that Bert can, will he and Mary ever find the time?


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[Assistant] Will Jessica really walk out on Chester? Or will she call a cab?


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[Assistant] These questions and many others will be answered on next week's episode of Soap.


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[Assistant] You can't, I'm afraid. You see, there isn't any such girl. I modeled for Mr. Corbin, but the face is... well, an imaginary face.


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[Assistant] Yes, I will. Well, I, I guess I better leave now. I want to look...


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[Assistant] I never ask myself that question, Mr. Corbin. I never try to analyze an impulse. If I did...


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[Assistant] Then he puts his hand over his eyes as if to blot out some terrible memory. I know what that memory is.


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[Assistant] Perhaps he has. We may have passed each other without knowing.


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[Assistant] I, he is Sir Godfrey's son and my daughter Bessie's.


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[Assistant] Begging your worship's pardon, I'd like to keep him here with me. Would you deprive the lad of his birthright? No, your worship, I know his father was a gentleman, and his mother was a lady, by a gift, if not by birth. But he's mine. I've brought him up since he was a tiny baby.


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[Assistant] Say goodbye to me, Ben. My tongue is stuck.


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[Assistant] I've got more dirt than that under me toenails. Yeaah, there's a big island beyond. It is a cloud. No.


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[Assistant] Could I have a word with the prisoner? He's my grandson.


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[Assistant] Oh, I see. Did I tell you what happened to my last model?


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[Assistant] What shall we do with the rest of the evening? Have you anything planned?


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[Assistant] This... right person, I... I wonder why he hasn't happened in a long...


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[Assistant] The coloring isn't the same, but the eyes, the contour of the face, the line of your shoulders and neck.


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[Assistant] You know very well I have my work. Sooner or later, I must go back to it.


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[Assistant] I wish there was a path through this jungle. Because I... I...


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[Assistant] Perhaps I did it. I... I don't know.


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[Assistant] I wish I did. Stop putting on an act. There must be moments that, that are lost to me. Moments I, I don't remember.


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[Assistant] The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.


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[Assistant] I am the Good Shepherd. The Good Shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


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[Assistant] I am the Good Shepherd, and I know my sheep and am known of mine, as the Father knoweth me.


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[Assistant] Even so, I know the father, and I lay down my life for the sheep.


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[Assistant] He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.


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[Assistant] But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.


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[Assistant] I am the door, by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.


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[Assistant] The thief cometh not, but for to steal and to kill and to destroy. I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.


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[Assistant] And the sheep hear his voice, and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them. And the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.


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[Assistant] The flock of my pasture are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord. I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.


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[Assistant] I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands.


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[Assistant] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.


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[Assistant] I have loved thee with an everlasting love. Therefore with loving kindness, I have drawn thee.


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[Assistant] With cords of a man, with bands of love.


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[Assistant] Neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


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[Assistant] Fear not, I am with you. I am he that liveth, and was dead. And behold, I am alive forevermore. I have endured your sorrows.


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[Assistant] Experienced your struggles, encountered your temptations,


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[Assistant] I know your tears I also have wept.


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[Assistant] The griefs that lie too deep to be breathed into any human ear, I know. Think not that you are desolate and forsaken.


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[Assistant] Though your pain touch no responsive cord in any heart on earth, look unto me, and live.


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[Assistant] The mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed.


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[Assistant] But my kindness shall not depart from thee.


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[Assistant] Neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed.


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[Assistant] I know mine own, and mine own know me, even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father.


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[Assistant] Other sheep I have, which are not of this fold. Them also I must bring.


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[Assistant] And they shall hear my voice, and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Therefore doth my Father love me.


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[Assistant] Because I lay down my life that I might take it again.


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[Assistant] That is, my Father has so loved you that He even loves me more for giving my life to redeem you. In becoming your substitute and surety, by surrendering my life, by taking your liabilities, your transgressions, I am endeared to my Father,


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[Assistant] I lay down my life that I might take it again. And no man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.


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[Assistant] Uhm, so for the interpretation of figure 2,


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[Assistant] Yeah, uh, on the top they have the...


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[Assistant] It's, it's the one with like the randomly initialized transformer models, uh, and then the pre-trained transformer models, the BERT and Albert and ExcelNet.


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[Assistant] So the dark blue line, not the purple one that's the transformer, but the other one, the dark blue line. It seems like there's kind of a difference in the patterns.


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[Assistant] Starting from a randomly initialized model and starting from a pre-trained model. So from the randomly initialized model, the sand plus skip.


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[Assistant] Which is I guess the transformer without the MLP, right?


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[Assistant] Does like, kind of equal performance or better than, uh,


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[Assistant] Then the full transformer architecture, right? When we're talking about randomly initialized, like the top row.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, so the metric is the relative residual, right?


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[Assistant] I'm, I'm mostly interested in the difference between, uh, the sand plus


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[Assistant] Uh, San plus skip without MLP.


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[Assistant] It seems like the authors kind of just hand-weaved it a little bit and said, you know, oh, it's pre-trained, the MLPs are changing the token distribution, you know, don't worry about it.


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[Assistant] I don't know, I don't know if you have a more like nuanced take than that, uh, because I was curious, especially ExcelNet looks very weird.


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[Assistant] Uh, pre-trained Albert, it looks like taking out the MLPs.


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[Assistant] Who's doing this? Who's stepping up here? Who's available? Who's bought in? Uhm, I just.


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[Assistant] When you watch Front Row, you never have to ask what's going on in Cleveland.


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[Assistant] Sulla has returned to Rome to establish order. He declares that the innocent have no reason to fear, but that those guilty of crimes against him shall be most severely punished.


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[Assistant] He's a good man, and he's here on my introduction. Allow me to vouch for him and to protect him.


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[Assistant] Take her to the holding pens.


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[Assistant] Kato, you flatter me. But let us give credit to another man.


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[Assistant] For I could not have fought a war across the sea without knowledge that Rome was in safe hands here at home.


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[Assistant] And for that we owe a debt of gratitude to my friend and fellow consul, Gaius Julius Caesar.


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[Assistant] My lords, as Cicero has put it so well, strain every nerve for the preservation of the state. Look in every quarter of the storms. They will burst upon you if you do not see them in time.


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[Assistant] My legions from Spain should sail to Austria from the west. The Thracians will come to us from the north. And from the east, the Macedonians.


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[Assistant] It was the fifth of November, and a holiday. My little servant, after helping me to clean my house, was gone, well satisfied with the fee of a penny for her aid. All about me was spotless and bright, scoured floor, polished grate, and well rubbed chairs. I had also made myself neat, and had now the afternoon before me to spend as I would. The translation of a few pages of German occupied an hour, then I got my palette and pencils,


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[Assistant] And fell to the more soothing, because easier, occupation of completing Rosamund Oliver's miniature. The head was finished already. There was but the background to tint and the drapery to shade off. A touch of carmine too, to add to the ripe lips. A soft curl here and there to the trusses.


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[Assistant] A deeper tinge to the shadow of the lash under the azure eyelid. I was absorbed in the execution of these nice details, when after one rapid tap, my door unclosed, admitting singin' rivers. I am come to see how you are spending your holiday, he said. Not, I hope, in thought? No, that is well. While you draw, you will not feel lonely. You see, I mistrust you still, though you have borne up wonderfully so far.


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[Assistant] I have bought you a book for evening solace. And he laid on the table a new publication. A poem.


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[Assistant] One of those genuine productions so often vouchsafed to the fortunate public of those days, the golden age of modern literature. Alas, the readers of our era are less favoured. But courage, I will not pause either to accuse or opine. I know poetry is not dead, nor genius lost.


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[Assistant] They will both assert their existence, their presence, their liberty and strength again one day. Powerful angels, safe in heaven, they smile when sordid souls triumph, and feeble ones weep over their destruction. Poetry destroyed, genius banished,


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[Assistant] No, mediocrity, no. Do not let envy prompt you to the thought. No, they not only live, but reign and redeem.


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[Assistant] And without their divine influence spread everywhere, you would be in hell, the hell of your own meanness.


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[Assistant] While I was eagerly glancing at the bright pages of Marmion, for Marmion it was, St. John stooped to examine my drawing. His tall figure sprang erect again with a start. He said nothing. I looked up at him. He shunned my eye. I knew his thoughts well and could read his heart plainly. At the moment I felt calmer and cooler than he. I had then temporarily the advantage of him.


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[Assistant] With all his firmness and self-control, thought I, he tasks himself too far, locks every feeling and pang within, expresses, confesses, imparts nothing.


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[Assistant] I'm sure it would benefit him to talk a little about this sweet Rasmun, whom he thinks he ought not to marry. I will make him talk.


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[Assistant] Oh, that is nothing yet, I muttered within. I don't mean to be baffled by a little stiffness on your part. I am prepared to go to a considerable length. I continued. You observed it closely and distinctly, but I have no objection to your looking at it again. And I rose and placed it in his hand.


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[Assistant] A well-executed picture,' he said, very soft, clear colouring, very graceful and correct drawing. Yes, yes, I know all that. But what are the resemblance? Who is it like? Mastering some hesitation, he answered, Miss Oliver, I presume. Of course. And now, sir, to reward you for the accurate guess.


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[Assistant] I will promise to paint you a careful and faithful duplicate of this very picture, provided you admit that the gift would be acceptable to you.


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[Assistant] I don't wish to throw away my time and trouble on an offering you would deem worthless.


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[Assistant] Would it comfort or would it wound you to have a similar painting? Tell me that. When you were at Madagascar or at the Cape or in India, would it be a consolation to have that memento in your possession?


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[Assistant] I've been strongly disposed of my own heart to advocate their union. It seems to me that should he become the possessor of Mr. Oliver's large fortune he might do as much good with it.


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[Assistant] As if he went and laid his genius out to wither and his strength to waste under a tropical sun. With this persuasion, I now answered, As far as I can see, it would be wiser and more judicious if you were to take to yourself the original at once.


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[Assistant] By this time he had sat down. He had laid the picture on the table before him, and with his brow supported on both hands, hung fondly over it.


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[Assistant] I saw even that to be thus frankly addressed on a subject he had deemed unapproachable, to hear it thus freely handled, was beginning to be felt by him as a new pleasure, an unhoped for relief.


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[Assistant] Reserved people often really need the frank discussion of their sentiments and griefs more than they expansive.


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[Assistant] The sternest seeming stoic is human after all, and to burst with boldness and goodwill into the silent sea of their souls is often to confer on them the first of obligations.


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[Assistant] Of course, I'd do anything to keep the kings out of Rome. At least with Sulla, the tyranny ended with his death. With a king, the reign could be passed on to a son, to another son forever. Our ancestors knew too well what that was like.


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[Assistant] If Kato is killed and Caesar wants the crown, then I'll be the first to oppose it.


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[Assistant] No man should go for his blade until we're all within reach of Caesar. Every knife must enter Caesar's body at least once.


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[Assistant] What should I tell the Senate? That their consul is at home because his wife has had a bad dream.


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[Assistant] As your friend, Caesar, I have to advise you on this. You called the Senate together. Show them you're a man of intention. Meet with your Senate.


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[Assistant] I'll be with him, lady. I'll never leave his side.


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[Assistant] By accident, I didn't know at the time it was going to be a genre. I was like, podcasts were starting to really pop.


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[Assistant] And I was, I'd gotten paired with Seifah Sounds, and we didn't know each other, so. To do podcasts. No, we were paired to do a radio show. Right. On Hot 97 on the weekends. So they brought, Ebro brought me up there, he was program director, and he brought me up there to do a late night show.


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[Assistant] And started doing the late night show, which is all I ever dreamed of in life was a late night show on Hot 97. Sunday, which I still have, Sunday's at midnight. So I started doing that and then like,


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[Assistant] A month in, he was like, so, I want you to meet this guy, Sypha Sounds, uhm,


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[Assistant] In my mind, I don't have any idea that he's trying to start building a morning show, obviously, and he's not telling me that, but he's like, we took us to lunch one day, had us meet, and then he's like, I want to try a thing where like Saturday mornings at like 5am, I put you guys on and let you try a show.


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[Assistant] So we started doing it, and we didn't know each other. So like, we're on the radio together, doing this early morning show, and we really don't know each other. So I was like, why don't we start doing a podcast right when we get off the air? And Syph was like, what's a podcast? And I was like, it's just turning on microphones and talking, and we'll just put it out on my website.


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[Assistant] And uh, so every morning, every weekend morning when we get off the air, we go in the other room and we would just talk for an hour. And that was how we actually got to know each other was on, that was the only time we hung out. Like therapy.


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[Assistant] Hey, this guy's gonna be the person you're associated with professionally.


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[Assistant] Certainly for the, it ended up being like the next seven years, but really in some way because eventually the podcast for the rest of our lives, you know, we'll be paired together in some way.


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[Assistant] Probably not believe, but our terminology. Or like ableist stuff, or what, like call something gay.


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[Assistant] Yeaah, like there's definitely, there's definitely use of gay talk that, even though me and Syph were always super openly pro-gay, we still talked in a way that was like a way people talked ten years ago that you just don't talk now.


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[Assistant] And it gets, and it gets awkward to go back. It's like watching Eddie Murphy, and by the way, I'm not a person who's like, oh the world's too PC now. No, the world should be PC. PC does mean...


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[Assistant] But people who are, let me tell you one thing, people tell you they're against being PC, they're a racist homophobe nine times out of ten. So I am all in favor of being PC, because essentially it means don't make other people feel like shit. But at the same time, we've gotten to a time where


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[Assistant] Don't get me wrong, I haven't liked Bill Maher for a long time, and I roasted him on Twitter.


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[Assistant] I fucking hate everything about this dude. And he wore a backwards red hat.


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[Assistant] And I always wore like a backwards red baseball cap. And after that, and from that point, it was like, what's up Fred Durst? And I was like, well fuck it, I'm never wearing a backwards red hat again.


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[Assistant] Yes, that was not it. There have been many ways in which it's not gonna mix. And the truth is, I don't think musically it's necessarily destined to mix. It's culturally, it's destined to mix. Like you meet lots of people who cross over, but when they try to be like,


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[Assistant] Let's do the sound, what was the fuck, Judgment Night soundtrack. Like, that may not be the way to do it. Like me and Ebro got into an argument the other day, cause he was talking about how big Hov is, and we were comparing Hov to someone, all we do is talk about rap shit all the time. And he brought up the fucking album with, whatchamacallit, uhm,


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[Assistant] Uh, who's the fucking rock group who Jay-Z, Linkin Park. Oh yea, yea. And I was like, I never listened to that once. I was like, no, that's not, and it's not a diss to Hov, but it's like, it was for a specific audience, and it worked to a degree, but like, the moments in which that's been good have been so few and far between. It's just, we don't need it, I'm good.


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[Assistant] Play Welcome to the Jungle, play something that still has some fucking edge to it. When you play Bon Jovi, Living on a Prayer, there's, it's just like, you're like, it's like looking up white in the dictionary and just playing the first thing.


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[Assistant] And all sounds sim- and like all run into each other for the most part? I mean, there's similar threads. I have, I realized I had a moment recently, this is why I'm so glad that your podcast exists, because- I appreciate that, big time, right? You- there needs to be someone who's passionate enough to like, go through all of this shit, and help decipher it, because the, the hard part is,


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[Assistant] Like, I'll get crushed sometimes by people like, how did you not know blah blah blah when you interviewed them? And I'm like, bro, I can't, it's unreasonable to think that at the amount of time I've been doing this, that I'm still gonna be the person who knows someone after 20,000 years.


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[Assistant] No, he's, he's, and he, he was great though. He was super appreciative and walked into the station wanting to, understanding the moment and wanting to really do something good and was great.


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[Assistant] And like, and I'm not gonna lie, I have a certain expectation when you walk in that you're pretty excited. I'm like, you should be, you're about to sit in the chair that a lot of fucking important people have sat in.


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[Assistant] In this chair. Yeah, dude, the channel's fucking big and when you say something here, it can have more impact than saying it anywhere else. And when someone shows up and they're not ready for it and they're not excited, it's a fucking drag.


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[Assistant] I'll talk to an artist that we do an interview with and I don't think about the interview much after that, but it becomes a conversation point in their life for a long time. And like, like there are people like, you know, the Yachty interview where it's like, that's something that he then hears about and gets interviewed about again.


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[Assistant] I love the, I love the Coach K relationship with people. I fucking love Coach K. He's, he's, he's like a cool dude to get to like watch and be around. I've only really gotten to know him over the last couple years actually. I guess it's been, it's gotten more relevant since Migos and all that shit.


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[Assistant] Oh, oh, bro, that's the, that's my, that's basically what 1upScene has been my, that's like what the whole podcast was, was me sitting next to Syfe.


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[Assistant] And I come in as someone who is seen as, I really know hip hop. Right. And I do. And I really know it from a record standpoint.


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[Assistant] And a nerd DJ standpoint. But sitting doing the podcast for the last decade, I learned so much more about like culturally what think people are saying. Like you think you know, and like I'm supposed to be the white guy who knows shit.


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[Assistant] But still, ultimately, until you sit next to people who have been around it, like, really were around the artist, and they're like, no, no, no, that's not what he was saying there. He was saying this there. And I'm like...


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[Assistant] Oh, and like, and that was part of the experience that made it so fun was like, and scary at times, but was like learning.


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[Assistant] Not just what music meant, but how you carry yourself, and what's appropriate, and what sort of impact you have when you become a player.


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[Assistant] In the culture, and like when I showed up there, showing up to Hot 97 where it's like, it's your dream, and then you get there.


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[Assistant] And then you start learning what this is gonna be like, like having a voice on the box in New York.


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[Assistant] I lived with my aunt in Long Island, in Baldwin, and I got introduced to someone at some point, some dude, nice enough guy. I never had anything bad happen with this person.


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[Assistant] Uhm, lemme, lemme show you around. I mean, I'ma pick you up and show you around Long Island. So I was like, alright. So, he picks me up, and he takes me around, and I smoke with him, and I start, and I'm high and fucking paranoid, and we start driving around, and he's an artist who's got a fucking record that he's trying to push.


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[Assistant] And I'm fucking high and paranoid and I'm like, yo, I wanna go, blah, blah, blah. He takes me home, it's cool, it's fine. But I was freaking out for five minutes in my head. And I got home and I'm like, he fucking knows where I stay out here. And I was just like, and I told Syfe the story and he's like, what the fuck are you doing?


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[Assistant] And I'm like, I didn't know, he's a nice guy. Cypher's like, never fucking get in a car, what the fuck are you even thinking? And it totally changed the way I dealt with anything. Here's the crazy thing, I've never taken


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[Assistant] Anything for a record. Never. Not once. I would sooner...


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[Assistant] I mean, it's at least tempting to cheat on your wife. I have no temptation to take money for a record. It was like, I always knew the second you take money for a record, like my soul would be dead. That's how I feel too. I've never done it either, you know. They're going to offer to pay you for interviews. Obviously people are going to pay for the, once the views are there, you will get offered the money for it. Now here's the hard part.


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[Assistant] I don't even, it would be so bad. And like, I just knew that when I did that, the kid in me would die. Like the kid who was like, I'm no, cause I, you know, I'm, I'm captain purist, like college radio through and that's who I always represented that.


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[Assistant] So I was like, the second I take money, I will die inside. So I knew I wasn't ever going to. That part wasn't tempting.


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[Assistant] The thing I never thought about was though, how do you say no to people?


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[Assistant] Because there are people who come up to you and they're, and they have fucking money. And usually.


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[Assistant] So then I had to learn like, how do you treat people in a way where you can say no, leave me the fuck alone and not offend them and worry that you have a fucking problem. Cause DJs get pressed in New York. Like that has been a thing, still is a thing. DJs in the strip club get pressed. I know, I have colleagues, there are people I know who have been fucking pressed.


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[Assistant] Like, at one point after the Nicki Minaj situation,


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[Assistant] When I started getting heat, it sounds really funny in retrospect, but in the moment after the summer jam shit, and I'm in the biggest controversy I've ever been in, and I'm getting hate everywhere, I go to Ebro and I'm like, bro, you think I should start, you know, should I bring someone around with me? And he was like, bro.


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[Assistant] Like, you don't need, he was like, only people who put out negative shit need security with them. He was like, you didn't say anything. He's like, all you said was you didn't fuck with her song. People know that. Like, they might get, there are people who are going to be annoyed, like her barbs and shit are going to be mad.


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[Assistant] No one's coming to fuck with you because you're credible and all you do is critique shit. He was like, the second you start bringing someone around with you is the second you start inviting that shit. And I have people of course offer me like, yo, I know someone, I'm an ex-cop, blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] And I was like, you know what, you're right. And I made it through that moment, never worrying about it. And bro, I had a conversation with a rapper the other day who, who I told his team, I'm like, yo, your security is too tough, bro. They don't need to put that energy out. So no, I've never, I never move around with anybody. You're talking about Yachty? I'm not talking about Yachty. Although Yachty, that is true too.


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[Assistant] Well, Yadi, but Yadi needs it. And it's not because Yadi puts out negative shit at all. It's because Yadi happens to be this really divisive character.


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[Assistant] So between the floss, the recognizability, the fact that people know he has money. With me, it's like, I don't think people assume I have that much money and they're right. I think, and I don't floss, like I don't have any reason and I don't say negative nasty shit about people. So between that, I was like, I'm not ever going to bring anyone around.


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[Assistant] It was in our group, we have a group, uh, we have an ebro in the morning, like group chat with like all of our family, like all our work family.


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[Assistant] And Scotty Beam, who is our, you know, who's our black militant sister in the crew, sent this thing to all of us and was like, look at this shit.


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[Assistant] And Scotty can be sensitive sometimes, so I'm like, what is it? Let me go watch this.


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[Assistant] And I watched it, and I can't say I was surprised, cause like I said, he said it before. Has he, like, in a similar context? Not quite that context, but I've heard him say it. Right. And then I've also heard him say other shit that I'm just like, no.


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[Assistant] I haven't fucked with him for a long time because I think he's Islamophobic. And I think, like when I, when I saw his movie, Religious,


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[Assistant] As a Jew, I was super offended that like, he didn't take any shots at Jews in the movie.


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[Assistant] Like he, he buried Christianity. Sorry, that's wrestling talk. He crushed Christianity. He crushed Islam. Right. And Judaism kinda got off in the movie as if we're not fucked up too.


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[Assistant] It's a great, it's a great thing. That's good and how quickly we do funerals is also fucking great. People die, it's like let's get this shit done by fucking Tuesday.


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[Assistant] When you get into the fundamental religious people of any religion there's weird shit. How are you gonna make fucking Christians look like shit?


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[Assistant] Like, you show me a Christian that is all fucking weird and a quote unquote Jesus freak.


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[Assistant] And I'll show you a Christian that I know who yeah, when they talk about Jesus and stuff, I'm like, all right, it's not necessarily for me, but as a result of their religion leads the, leads the best, most positive, pure life or it saved them from addiction or whatever. So for me,


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[Assistant] Like, my football coach growing up, I didn't play football, the Washington Redskins football coach, was Joe Gibbs. He was super deeply religious, and like, every player loved him.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Like there are people who like, Jesus makes them great. There are people who Allah makes them great. So like, I just find it odd.


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[Assistant] That you're this super progressive person, but whenever Islam came up, he would sort of toe the same line of Islam's the most evil religion, it's the reason there's terrorism, like, and I, and I just, it always bothered me, and other liberals,


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[Assistant] You know, would go do his show and sit there, like with the exception of Ben Affleck, like very few people.


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[Assistant] It was Affleck I think who called him out. There's very few people who'd call him out. So I already had been off of Bill Maher for a long time. And then, and then when this happened, I'm just like, I already knew. I don't think they should fire him. If the show gets ratings still, I don't think he's a bad person. But I think what he did was classic,


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[Assistant] White people who think because they're accepted or seen as liberal, they can say whatever they want and I know better than anyone, much better than Bill Maher.


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[Assistant] Every day for hours unscripted about racial issues. So I give myself an opportunity to end my career every day.


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[Assistant] Bro, if I, I'm telling you this right now. If I, let me tell you this. If I, I used to like,


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[Assistant] I could see myself judging someone for what people judged him for. You know how many times people have said weird anti-semitic shit to my face and I don't say anything?


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[Assistant] I'm just like, okay, that's awkward. Like, usually when people say something crazy, unfortunately, I'm not courageous enough, I admit it, to be like, how dare you, that was an anti-Semitic, don't, I just usually am like, oh,


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[Assistant] Ebro, Ebro calls people out. When Ebro hears, like, the white people that we know who are, like, really comfortable, drop it, and they don't drop it in that awkward a context, but in any context, he'll definitely be like, nah, not around me fam. Right. And I, you know, and Ebro's old, and gets, and is huge, and people are like, okay. How tall is he?


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[Assistant] He's only like 6'6''1, but he's an imposing figure. The beard and shit. The beard and shit. Like when we go out together, like I feel somewhat famous when I go out like to a poppin' thing in New York.


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[Assistant] Yes. He stands out so much more than I do. Like when he walks into a room, it's like undeniably like he's taller than everyone. He's got the beard. It's like, that's Ebro. I'm just sort of mixed in with other random white dudes. And it's like, you have to be like, Oh,


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[Assistant] I think that's uh, Peter Rosemary. But Ebro, he towers a bit. But yeah, it was uncomfortable, dude. And I, I, you know, I don't understand. Listen, there, there are times when it's frustrating. Like I had a tweet recently that I had to delete, which got me so fucking mad because I was getting called out for the most, the most absurd,


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[Assistant] And I just tweeted out, I'm like, damn, if y'all cared as much about


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[Assistant] The election, as you cared about Remy and Nikki, Trump wouldn't be president.


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[Assistant] And I started getting called out by people saying that when I said y'all, I meant black people.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, really? And I was like, I was like, I'm going to tell you what, I don't believe in such thing as an n-word pass. There's no such thing. No.


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[Assistant] And I'm like, well, I've never said the N-word. Uhm, I certainly didn't just say it now when I just started at Hot 97 in a room full of my black colleagues. And I had to go to this person and say,


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[Assistant] I know you thought you heard me say something that I didn't say, but, and she was like, no, no, I heard you.


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[Assistant] And I was like, I didn't say trigger. I didn't say bigger. I don't even know what word you're thinking would have been that. And she hit me with a, let's just agree to disagree. I was like, no, no, no, no, no. No agree to disagree. This is, we are going to agree.


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[Assistant] No, it wasn't recorded. Oh, it wasn't recorded? No, we were just sitting in a room. I was just randomly chatting with people. And so, my point being, like, there are times when it can be


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[Assistant] Frustrating that it does, I know it doesn't matter how long I put in.


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[Assistant] In the culture and society and the social media era, you could still get your whole shit blasted in one minute. And that sucks.


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[Assistant] I think, I think you make a great point. The language part and how we describe them is great. Like, yes, Jules, and I saw her.


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[Assistant] And I didn't know her well enough to like give her, I was like, you know, keep your head up, just make sure you keep going out and be yourself and, you know, don't get scared or whatever, like if it's not who you are, it's not who you are, blah, blah, blah. I didn't have to, here's the problem with Yes Jules.


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[Assistant] People need to, it's just about being mindful and caring. And like my issue is, and being the age that I'm in,


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[Assistant] But to take an interest in black culture, right? And to care about everything. And like, I think that's really important. So like, otherwise, that's where...


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[Assistant] That's where the word, that's where the word like culture vulture or cultural appropriation comes around. Because if you show up and you're here for the parties, and in the case of her in particular, you're a white chick with a fat ass who's seen with black men, and you love hip hop, but when it comes to this shit, you keep being casual with the n-word or something.


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[Assistant] That shows a fundamental, like, you're not going in far enough. Like, if you're gonna go in and you're gonna profit off of it.


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[Assistant] You need to truly love it. And I would say this to, yes Jules, if you truly love it,


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[Assistant] Spend time understanding the culture and understanding why the idea of retweeting something with the n-word in it wouldn't even be something you'd consider.


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[Assistant] Like that's not even, I wouldn't stand next to it ever. It's not hard for me.


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[Assistant] You could find a white kid out there who says the N-word and they're like, nah, I just say it like, you know, the rap songs.


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[Assistant] But dude, they really say it in a racist way too. They say it both ways bro. I'm telling you that shit happens. Like there are white kids out there.


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[Assistant] Who they say it, they try to say it in the cool way, and then when they're alone, they really do describe a person in a race, in the worst way possible with it. Like dude, there's a classic video of mine that doesn't even have any fucking views, it's from the beginning, of I did uhm, it was my first Rock the Bells I covered.


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[Assistant] And I'm interviewing some white kid and he's excited to see rage and he's like, I'm here to see rage, N-bomb. And I'm like, whoa, dropping an N-bomb on camera?


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[Assistant] And we have this exchange and he's like, uh, uh, and I'm like, you don't think rage would actually be cool with that. They probably wouldn't be with that. And we have this exchange back and forth and it shows the most like fundamental


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[Assistant] Situation in which like you just think it's sweet and like it's not like that word has impact. I'm like I can have I can have really long in-depth debate about taking power away from the word and this and that but ultimately I just don't get.


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[Assistant] Why white people don't understand that if, if you have all the privileges that come with being white, and there are a lot of them, there's only one, people just want, black people want one thing, don't say the n-word. And you're like, no, I want the n-word too. It's like, really? Just let it go.


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[Assistant] But you can't quote, and it's not that hard. And like listen, the gay experience is really rough in America. It's shitty. And that word, you know, it's something we used to say as a joke that you wouldn't in a random room go joke around with anymore.


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[Assistant] Interesting, yeaah. It's so often that like, you know, in my life, the amount of white people that I've really liked and have been kindred spirits with are often Jewish. Like it's a very common thing that, don't get me wrong, I've met Jews in the industry, I fucking can't stand also.


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[Assistant] A lot of the really good white people in hip hop have so often been Jewish over the years. And it's just something I've never, it's always been very interesting. And like people who really know, know what's up because like there's an interesting dichotomy of like


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[Assistant] In New York, blacks and Jews had some weird shit for a long time. A long time. In the 80s were still particularly rough.


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[Assistant] But ultimately there's always been, you know, Jews, even though like we quote unquote run Hollywood, and definitely some of that weird shit exists, I'm not saying it doesn't, but from a really awesome standpoint, there's this long history of Jews supporting black arts. Like that's always been a thing.


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[Assistant] And it's sort of a lineage that if you go back and look at is really cool. And like, you know, and to that extent there have always been a certain amount of white people that were not the people at fucking people over. Because those people exist too, right? Right, yeaah. So that's the shitty part is like,


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[Assistant] There are always gonna be people who had the worst experiences with white people being involved in them, and then you meet them.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? You have the other experience yet where you meet that white dude who's with the artist or who's a whatever and you talk to them and you're like, oh, you're not fucking of this at all. Like you're just, you really are that person who like I wouldn't trust at all and I'm uncomfortable with it. And then you get why people then judge you. You know what I'm saying? How old are you? 33.


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[Assistant] It's, it's, it's interesting. And by the way, it's four years is not that much, but in music terms, it's also very different. Right.


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[Assistant] All those things are a big deal. Like, I am old enough.


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[Assistant] Yeah, I'll take a beer too. Why not? By the way, I don't do this. Are you guys still underground enough that it feels comfortable for me to do this?


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[Assistant] Alright, so I feel like I can smoke. And by the way, I do not smoke at home, but when I'm out of town, I, uh, I smoke cigarettes sometimes. No weed these days? I don't take, uhm, very limited. Okay. Very limited. As I got older, it just became something that I started getting, it became more paranoia.


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[Assistant] It's not even like, like you can even joke about like, I'm on a, I have a show on ESPN radio and like my older cohost will still sort of mock me under the like the, oh yeah, you're smoking weed. But you know what I'm saying? And that's, and it's a very corporate place, but it's, it's become so culturally acceptable. I feel way worse about cigarettes. Like I would take a picture with a joint near me. I wouldn't take a picture.


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[Assistant] Because I think cigarettes are actually really bad. I don't think smoking weed is bad.


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[Assistant] Go out of town, smoke some cigarettes, go home and not smoke. And most people, the reason I think smoking is so terrible is just most people don't do that. Like you become a full time smoker, it's the rest of your life and that's it. Like smokers are always jealous, like whenever I'm telling a smoker I'm trying to quit, they're like how many do you smoke? And I'm like I don't know, like two a day. They're like dude,


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[Assistant] And, and just feel weird. And like, it's just, I've had, and dude, I had so many experiences where I was hosting shows and got really high with an artist backstage and then walked out and I'm like, Oh my God, there's 10,000 people here. And I'm fucking stoned out of my mind. Like I had that experience happen so many times. I had,


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[Assistant] And we were hosting a livestream and fucking Bronson, I had never dabbed before. And Bronson's like, Bronson's like, yo, you gotta try this, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh word?


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[Assistant] And of course, not knowing what I now know, I just took a regular big hit of a dab.


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[Assistant] And bro, I had to then go host a live stream with Deluxe. So it's like me, Jada, Sheik, Styles, all on camera doing a thing and they were busting my balls and like giving me a hard time.


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[Assistant] I was going to say, like, that is, like, I think everyone, if you went through the experience of, like, smoke, a real smoking phase, you know smoking and driving is something that definitely happens.


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[Assistant] There are people who I like, I really do trust them and know it's fine. And then there are other people where it's like, no, you shouldn't smoke and drive. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's, it's not like drinking and driving, which is just down the board. Yeah. Wrong. And terrible. And that's how my brother-in-law died and I fucking have super


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[Assistant] Yeah, like there, yeah, there are people I knew, even in high school, there are people I knew who I was friends with who I was like, oh, they can be high and do anything. But the, the drinking and driving thing still fucking irks me too, because like you, I still know people who, I know people who I love, who know what my family's gone through and still


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[Assistant] My own opinion. I agree now. I think the line is if you're going out to an event and you have one mixed drink, I think you're probably fine. One. Okay, one. But you also don't know how it's being mixed. Exactly. Yo, I had a drink yesterday, I went out with my boy and I had two little margaritas in the small glasses and I left and I was like, and I ate and I was eating and I left and I was like, bro, I'm actually kind of drunk right now.


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[Assistant] And that's what got me so excited about it is I'm like, you know, me and Syfe just announced that we're gonna like go away for a little while.


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[Assistant] It's been 10 years of doing this podcast. Crazy. And we really hit like, there are still things out there I want that I didn't get.


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[Assistant] If I felt a little better about it, after I saw that your shit was happening, cause I'm like, there's someone who I can tell is super caring, who's taking it to the next place.


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[Assistant] Podcasts weren't anything. Yeah, nobody really knew what that was, right? Even when we did our Jay-Z interview, it got maybe a hundred thousand listens or whatever.


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[Assistant] But like, that was an era when podcasting didn't mean anything. So the audience that's heard our Jay-Z interview


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[Assistant] It's still limited. Right. Like we, we, we did Eminem. Kanye. Kanye.


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[Assistant] It was never our job. At all. Like never. Like the most money we've ever made has been money I still have never seen. Like by the time we split it over our little advertising, it was nothing. It was, I didn't, it felt no impact. Like we never got


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[Assistant] Ebro was making fun of us the other day. He was like, damn, y'all are like old school rappers who like did the shit and now everyone's making money and you never made shit. He was like, people are about to start calling you Uncle Peter and Uncle Syfe. Y'all about to be showing up at clubs like, yo, can I get in like plus seven? Cause at hip, New York, one of the best things about it is like the old school heads are all around. I'm like,


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[Assistant] There are some cats who are doing really well. There are other cats that bums you out because they're not doing as well, but there is still inherently this funny thing if you're around it of like, oh geez, who you're like, oh shit, here we go. I got to make sure they get in. Got to take care of them and show respect. You know what I'm saying? It's like, that is me and Scythe when it comes to podcasting. And for us, because it was never our job,


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[Assistant] We weren't really able to even compete. Like by the time Comback got real serious, it was on his shit, I was like, yo, we're finished out here. From the standpoint of being able to do as consistent a job as, now we may do a different podcast and I think the difference with me and Syce is it mixed nerdy and funny more than most do.


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[Assistant] I was like, we're never gonna be at the level of people who like, this is their shit. Right. Cause for us, it was always just fun. And then people got really into it. And then, and then we realized it was kind of important, but still.


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[Assistant] I hit him because he had a new project out, Rosebud's Revenge. So I hit Marcy and I was like, yo, you should come up. He's like, all right, no doubts. He comes up to the station. I interview Rock Marcy. It was the day fucking Kendrick's album came out and I do the interview. I hadn't really prepared for it. Like I fuck with Rock Marcy.


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[Assistant] You fucking don't, blah blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, you realize that like, I did that on a Friday. Right. After work.


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[Assistant] Just to do it so I could get him up on Hot 97 and post the video on YouTube just so I could get love for his album. There was no benefit for me whatsoever. And then you still get crushed for doing it and that's when you're like, I need to be mindful. And at the same time you're embarrassed because you're like, I know I could have done a better job.


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[Assistant] So like, the idea that he's gonna know every guest, like I didn't know the fuck Gary Vee was, so he started popping up on my social media. And frankly, I'm very distrusting of people who tell people how to live life. I hate that shit.


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[Assistant] I just don't, I don't fuck with, I don't fuck with here's what you need to do in life. In fact when people ask me what do I need to do in life, I'm like I have no idea.


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[Assistant] Who learned it because they heard someone describe how to do it is so small. Like you may get influenced, like I'm influenced by, I'm influenced by Funflex and like.


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[Assistant] How do I do that? So the only thing I've ever told anyone is that


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[Assistant] Pick a goal and go for a specific goal. I can't tell you anything about how to get to that goal. But yea, obviously if you don't pick a goal, like I hate, when people come and you know, one of the hazards of my job is like people just talking to me about


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[Assistant] Wanting to make it in music, right? And in one sense, it's a real blessing. Should I just drop my cigarette? You're cool with this? No, I'm good. So it's like in one sense, I, I, I, I'm appreciative and I don't want to seem like an asshole who, who doesn't appreciate that you see me as someone you should talk to. But at the same time, when you sit down and you start asking me about like every little thing you should do, it's like,


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[Assistant] Bro, we live in this era now where everyone has access to everyone through social media. And so they just come to you and they're like, what should I do? And I'm like, man, everyone else before you ever did not have that. And you just figured the shit out because you wanted to do it. I can't fucking tell you


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[Assistant] And I'm like, bro, that's not how this works. You don't get to just meet someone because of social media or you show up and say, be my mentor.


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[Assistant] Like that's awkward. Like why would I, I don't know you. I can't take you under my wing. I've taken two people under my wing because I met them naturally, organically. They worked hard and I said, I trust you now. These are people who both have, these are both people.


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[Assistant] Nah fam, I'll say you can email me questions and if I get around to it I will respond to said question. But figure the shit out bro, if you really want some shit, make shit happen and you'll find someone who will help you. I understand some people's circumstances are tougher than others, but.


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[Assistant] We've got a backup, but that one might be out. That one would be a Rapsky. That one's still going.


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[Assistant] There you go, it'll switch. The video will get slightly bootleg in the middle of it. Why does it say no signal? No jumper, no signal.


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[Assistant] Uh, by the way, but it's so funny too, because I totally understand treating it like secondary, but then at the same time it's funny because...


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[Assistant] And, by the way, do you know the feeling when someone like, you see someone like or tweet or retweet something of yours? Cause I only see, I only see when someone verified does it.


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[Assistant] But you can't tell if the person whose name verified is someone really, is like the real big person or some bootleg person because people, like they're still verified, but their name is close to some, like it just said KD said blah blah. I'm like, Oh, is that Kevin Durant? Cause that'll be cool. I hope that he liked my tweet. And it wasn't.


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[Assistant] So that's, that's my, that's the one part that's really hard because like I started playing one of his records, um, Patty Cake, which I think is fucking dope. And I'm like, this song is really good. And it's the same thing with XXS, Tentacion, it's like, I don't know what to say about, like,


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[Assistant] And it's harder as you get older, it's even harder, like I can't really stand next to something. Like back in the day, I'd be like, oh, I don't care, whatever, I'm just, you know, putting on for, but as you get to be 37 and a voice, a two,


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[Assistant] That is, that is the key by the way. I think engagement's very interesting in terms of what it says about all that shit. But yea, I was super late on him and I think the record's good. I'm not really into this shit right now, I gotta tell you.


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[Assistant] This intentional distortion sound shit, I real mean, that's going to be tough for me. I think there's got to be a better way to do it. Bro, it, it, it, it's, it's, I hate to be that guy cause I'm down with auto tune. I'm down with doing unconventional shit. I tell everyone, whenever anyone gets like all bent out of shape about a Yachty or whoever, I'm like, yo,


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[Assistant] Look at Old Dirty, bro. Old Dirty, we love Old Dirty, and we consider it classic hip-hop. Old Dirty wasn't classic hip-hop, Old Dirty was fucking out here, bro.


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[Assistant] I bought it. I bought it after I smashed it. And I liked it. In that case, I turned around like six months later and I'm like, oh, this shit's fucking great. Mystical's verse is unbelievable. What am I doing? But at the time, yeah, we just thought that shit was so whack at college radio, like all that. And then, and then fast forward and by the time


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[Assistant] It's not like the message in the No Limit music was any worse than the message in M.O.P., but I loved and respected M.O.P., and for whatever arbitrary reason at that point, because we were still getting used to the South, I didn't respect that.


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[Assistant] And it was interesting too, that song was very divisive. Because at first, and dude, think about how much new shit.


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[Assistant] And at first, when you're like, the whole, hold on, the whole song, all he's really rhyming is the word, huh, that's trash. That ain't rap, he's just going, you got that big body bands, uh, you got any new friends, huh, you got any new bands, huh. That's bullshit. And then as time went on, I'm like, yo, this shit's fucking tight. And then Jay-Z jumps on it. You could argue.


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[Assistant] That Jay-Z jumping on, huh, was one of the most pivotal things in the history of rap. Like, really, in terms of the whole thing going from East Coast, West Coast, to everything, like everyone tries to include outcast, and outcast is...


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[Assistant] Fucking super important, of course they said, you know, the south is here, blah, blah, blah. But Outkast kind of was always getting a certain level of respect because they were not quintessentially southern in many ways, even though in other ways they are absolutely quintessentially southern.


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[Assistant] The acceptance of outcast was one thing but it was expected because they were so heady. Right. The acceptance of cash money


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[Assistant] That was fucking game changing. And Hove jumping on that record meant so fucking much. And now, when you hear that everyone's going,


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[Assistant] All that shit at the end of every record. And that shit, it's just weird. I just, we have a constant fight.


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[Assistant] with the, uh, with the older heads and like we always mock them on the air cause we always are mocking everybody who's like, we're like, oh, you're on the corner right now and you're in Nietzsche jeans talking shit. You don't like this. You don't like that. It's time. And, and I really do. I just, I think there's not a line that's drawn enough of if you say you love hip hop, you love hip hop.


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[Assistant] And that includes all kinds of iterations of it. If you, if you love 90s hip hop,


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[Assistant] That's what frustrates me so much about, I took a good amount of heat, not a ton, by my standards that I've gotten used to, it wasn't bad, but I took a good amount of heat about saying that Kendrick is the best rapper ever.


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[Assistant] And not wanting Kendrick or anyone new to be in the conversation of greatness really bothers me. Cause I just feel like, I feel like if Slick Rick, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Ice Cube,


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[Assistant] We're all talking about the future of hip hop one day in some made up conference that happened in my head, right? I feel like they would have designed, they would have been like, if hip hop goes really well, by the time we get to like 2010, there'll be a kid who raps his ass off. He's an incredible MC.


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[Assistant] He talks about shit that's important, he doesn't promote bullshit, but it's still edgy and great, and he'll be considered a huge mainstream star.


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[Assistant] That would have been a dream. And that's what Kendrick is. And yet people still...


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[Assistant] Out of nowhere. He just was like, I want to be, I want to have Kid Capri on my album. And yet we still resist in spite of how good he is. I find that frustrating.


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[Assistant] CJ Cole to see Chance and have like these guys as the leaders moving forward. Bro, there's never been a time in which there have been more.


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[Assistant] So yeaah, that, that, that would have been huge, and like, I was at a show, I was at Governor's Ball on Friday night, and


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[Assistant] This guy's singing, he's got you singing, you know, when the praises go up, the blessings come down, and all this fucking shit, I'm not religious, and I'm singing, my wife's an atheist, she's singing it, and I'm like, bro, whether you're religious or not,


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[Assistant] The fact that everyone here is singing about like this spiritual positivity and just, I don't even, it could be bullshit, it could be a million things, but ultimately the influence it's having is positive. Like people are still having fun, this is cool, this shit's cool, it's not lame.


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[Assistant] You know, and I have a very iffy line of like being too positive to the point that it's lame. Right. But like for whatever reason, those guys, Kohl, Kohl and Kendrick the most because they really don't cross into cheesy at all. I could see someone who was like really not into religion getting put off by chance a little bit, even though for me I'm totally good with it.


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[Assistant] Again, we are on the exact same page. As long as you don't, yea, you don't turn into weird shit. Yo, I was reading tweets yesterday. I read an article about, the Washington Post had an article, and it was like, why the religious right


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[Assistant] And it was basically all these tweets from these big religious right people being like, we're not gonna have...


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[Assistant] They look at science the way they look at liberal theories on homosexuality and transgenderism. Now don't get me wrong.


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[Assistant] They're wrong and stupid on that too. But the idea that you're connecting those things, like you guys think it's natural to be gay, which it is, but you guys think that, so I'm also not gonna believe your theory on the environment.


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[Assistant] I, I, I, there are moments when I very, very, I had a dream about Trump last night. It was like the third time I've had a dream about interacting with Trump.


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[Assistant] The craziest shit about Trump is I've gotten to come into contact with so many people who interacted with him.


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[Assistant] I'm talking about my godfather, who is so liberal, such a wonderful man, is a Jersey guy and he's got money and he's been involved in Jersey politics for a long time.


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[Assistant] And, I mean, he hates Trump now, but he literally never had a negative interaction with him. He was like, oh, he was always a kind, you know, pretty warm.


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[Assistant] And you hear these stories over and over again, like even Dana White, who's a really smart, cool guy, will not bail on him. I'm starting a podcast with Mike Tyson. I love Mike Tyson. Really? I am, yes. And I wanted to make like an official announcement, though I'm gonna hold off on this. This isn't official, but it's actually up on iTunes. The subscribe thing's actually up on iTunes. What's the idea? And it's called, it's called Bite the Mike.


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[Assistant] Uhm, which I'm not crazy about the name, but I'm never crazy about podcast names, although no Jumper's tight, so congratulations to you. One Epstein was good, no Jumper's really good, there's some that are good. But uhm, basically I idolized Tyson my whole life, like he was...


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[Assistant] It's sorta like, wet-handed head with hip-hop, right? Like falling in love with Mike Tyson, like this, this, this rebellious, amazing,


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[Assistant] He was completely torn down, like the ultimate story of America just tearing you down, like we loved you, we all paid, there was, and you're old enough to remember, right, like you're at least old enough to remember the late Tyson fights when it was still like,


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[Assistant] It wasn't, it wasn't even real life. Like when anyone tells you now, like this was the biggest fight ever. You're like, bro, Tyson had fights against bums that were a bigger deal than this fight. What are you even talking about? So like to see him get torn down, I went from, I loved him as a little kid, but then in the early two thousands, when he was really in the shitter,


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[Assistant] Like, got obsessed. Really obsessed with him. Because I just, his story drove me crazy. And for some reason, in my fucking heart, I just believed, and this is a bit like crazed fan, to be honest with you, I was like, I believe in him as a person, he's a good person, I know it.


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[Assistant] Uhm, I like, I know that I would like get along with him and I would understand him and


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[Assistant] All this shit, and I got really obsessed, and his shit was bad then. I'm talking about, this is when, this is around face tattoo, like, arrest for this, he'd just gotten out of jail a second time, like shit was bad.


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[Assistant] And I was, I was obsessed. And I'm sitting around, uh, it was like, oh, three maybe. And I owe four and I go to the movies one day.


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[Assistant] And my best friend and I are at the movies. I'm wearing, I'm wearing my Lennox Lewis Mike Tyson shirt from the fight that had happened.


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[Assistant] And I'm at the movies, and at this point I was so obsessed with Tyson, I talked about him so much, and I'm walking in the movies, and I hear someone say Mike Tyson. And I was at the point of obsession that like, I literally heard someone say his name and turned around. So I turned around when the person says Mike Tyson, and they're just like staring, and I literally follow their line of sight, and fucking Tyson standing there.


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[Assistant] And he's walking into Pizzeria Uno in Bethesda, Maryland, like where I lived, right? Because Tyson spent a lot of time in Maryland, his ex-wife Monica's there, he has kids there and stuff. So it was shocking, but also not shocking because I knew a lot of people be like, I saw Tyson. It would happen in DC pretty regularly.


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[Assistant] So I fucking beeline into the UNOs and I just go up to them and I'm like...


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[Assistant] Mike, I'm a huge fan. I like to look down at the shirt. I'm like, uh, my friend, this is my friend Ben. He gave me the shirt. I love you, blah, blah, blah. And he was really nice. I said hello. We shook his hand. Kept it moving.


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[Assistant] So my, my friends, uh, I didn't have any money at the time and I was really obsessed with this idea and I was sort of between radio jobs and like a little bit lost, even though I'm only like, I'm young still, but in my mind I'm like falling off cause I'm like 22 or something and I don't, and I don't have a job at the time.


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[Assistant] And I was the same thing about my career, like, I don't matter the radio anymore, what the fucks, I've been on since I was like, 18 years old. And, uh,


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[Assistant] I'm gonna make this documentary. My, one of my closest friends Chauncey, who I lived with, his mother who just passed away, Kathleen, wonderful woman. You know how your parents


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[Assistant] My parents love me, and they believe in me, but every once in a while you have a dream that they're just like, alright, sounds great, we heard your dreams, but Kathleen, you know, your friends' moms can be different, and your friends' moms are-


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[Assistant] I didn't realize until Kathleen died that she was like my friend.


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[Assistant] You know what I'm saying? Cause like, it's different cause she's your friend's mom, but like she didn't talk to me like I was her kid. She talked to me like just a person. And she...


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[Assistant] Wrote me a check for like 500 bucks and was like go buy a camera and make your documentary. So I buy a little Sony handheld off Craigslist that was like used and I start working on this documentary.


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[Assistant] And I start making phone calls and I start talking to fucking, I met Max Kellerman, interviewed him. I would just go bother people and interview people. And I called fucking Tony Kornheiser who actually


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[Assistant] And Coronizer's not, he doesn't have the best reputation in Washington for being the most friendly guy. Coronizer called me back, he left me a voicemail, and he's like, Peter, this is Tony Coronizer.


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[Assistant] But no, I will not speak to you for your documentary. So I keep just working and get a hold of someone and eventually some, I met this woman named Jackie Rowe who was very close to Mike Tyson, his sister, not his sister, but his sister who is like,


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[Assistant] Uhm, she ended up telling me things and I found out he was training at a gym in Las Vegas for his fight with Danny Williams. And I was like, oh no, he's training in Phoenix.


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[Assistant] So I was, I booked a trip to Vegas and I went out to Vegas, my boy Kamber, one of my rapper friends that was coming up at the time. And we went out there, flew to Vegas, drove to Phoenix, showed up at the gym at like 7am and just waited. Right. And, uh, Freddie Roach showed up.


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[Assistant] Uh, famed trainer, Freddie Roach. Yeah. Freddie Roach invites, he's like, you can come in and you can hang out. And he's like, if Mike says it's okay for you to stay, you can stay. And I'm like, holy shit.


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[Assistant] Freddy hangs out with us for the day, takes us to lunch with him, tells me fucking amazing stories that I still remember, and Tyson shows up to the gym. Like I'll never forget, I'm sitting there and the fucking gate opens and you just see these fucking monstrous legs and fucking Mike walks in.


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[Assistant] You know, does his little walk around, you know, says whatever, says hi to people, and, uh,


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[Assistant] He was like, hey Mike, these guys want to make a documentary about you. He was like, alright, and just kind of keeps moving around. And again, this is still a place when, this is still a time when Mike's not in a great space. Right. And we're hanging out.


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[Assistant] And uh, he starts working out and shit. And eventually he comes over to us. And he comes up to me and he's like, yo, you wanna make a documentary about me?


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[Assistant] And I'm like, uh, yeah, actually I really do. And he grabs a chair and lifts it up over his head, and is like, you can't make a fucking documentary about me, you fuck, yea let's start screaming at me with a fucking chair over his head.


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[Assistant] And the shitty part is I wasn't allowed to turn my camera on for any of this, so I'm just standing there like, hoping this leads to something. And he...


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[Assistant] He eventually, we start chatting and blah blah blah. Nothing comes of it. Nothing happens. We just hang out. I come back the second day, hang out again. And it was awesome. And then...


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[Assistant] Over the years, I would see him at a fight, and I'd shake his hand, and I'd, you know, he wouldn't remember me, and just whatever.


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[Assistant] And then he started coming to the radio station. And he started, you know, he would promote something. And he'd come and I'd kinda give him the spiel again. I used to make a documentary. And you know, when you're talking about someone famous like Mike Tyson. You gotta keep reminding them over and over. This is someone who's literally met Michael Jackson and like the king of every country in the world.


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[Assistant] We did an episode and we got him to be in the episode with me. And so we did the scene together.


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[Assistant] He finally knows my name is not Dave. He gets to know me and they came back maybe two years ago for another interview and him and his wife and she sits, we sit down and she's like, Oh my God, you're the host of Mike's podcast.


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[Assistant] And I was like, what podcast? She was like, we're trying to do a podcast. You would be the perfect host. And I was like...


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[Assistant] Like this is, no no, there's no one better on earth. And it's been like now a year and a half process of like figuring out paperwork and he still, he still requires a lot of...


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[Assistant] There's still a lot of people involved and it's a big process to do. Right. But.


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[Assistant] The trailer's up on iTunes. We've recorded a bunch of episodes. There's a Lennox Lewis episode, a Flavor Flav episode, Russell Simmons. But I really want the show to not be about guests. To me, the show is about a biographical show. It's telling the Tyson story, event by event.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that's what I want it to be. I want it to be like, what I'm gonna try to do is come in with a story, have some facts, and guide him. And be like, you said in this interview, X, Y, and Z, do you remember this? Because he won't remember. I'm gonna, you know, I have to do a lot of the guiding with Mike.


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[Assistant] There's a bit of that. But it's, it's truly like, I've now had...


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[Assistant] Well Dennis Miller, you know Dennis Miller? They put him on my money in football. They put Kornheiser on my money in football. Like they've put random people, that's, I would love that. But no, I love ESPN, it's not a dream. But the Tyson thing?


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[Assistant] He was like, bro, I would not have survived if they had cell phones in the era in which I was coming up.


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[Assistant] He was like the amount of times people would have seen me wild out on people, cause he wasn't built for it, you know. Anyways, that's a long way of saying I'm doing this Tyson podcast and I'm super fucking excited. Where is it being hosted? It's uh, it's hosted by, it's gonna, it's on iTunes.


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[Assistant] I definitely aspire to a time in which I have like, one or two things.


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[Assistant] Yeah, that would be, well here's the thing, not to the degree that you once could. You know, like there was a time when my job at Hot 97 paid Star, I think Star and Buck Wilde got like a million dollar contract, and Ed Lover got a million dollars to do Mornings at Hot 97. I've never sniffed a million dollars at Hot 97. So for me, as great as the job is,


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[Assistant] It wasn't, it was never going to be that much money. It took this many jobs. Like I bought a place in Manhattan last year and it took me


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[Assistant] And like, but the fact that I'm able to do that and pay a mortgage off of it all is great, but honestly, I couldn't give up if I gave up Hot or ESPN.


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[Assistant] You end up seeing that they're kind of boring and the people end up sometimes, I don't know about Kimmel, but people often end up getting miserable of like, all they do is show up and it's such a job. Right. Whereas like, none of my jobs right now,


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[Assistant] The only thing that's jobby about them is that I have to show up every day.


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[Assistant] But the work itself is like show up and be yourself. That's it. Which is great. I don't have any like bullshit to go through. Like the hot job at this point, they treat me fucking like gold. They let me do all my other shit. If I have to go out of town, they don't care. Like I was thinking about leaving hot. I was like, I've been here 10 years.


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[Assistant] You know, maybe it's time, like maybe my voice has done what it's supposed to do.


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[Assistant] And then our show fucking started just kicking ass and getting so good. And I'm like, wait a second, we just got to the zone.


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[Assistant] Yeah, like we really don't want to lose. I mean, like, you know, yeah, there's Flex, Ebro, and myself are probably, you know, the biggest names on the station and have been, you know, for, it's for a while now. I've been there 10 years. I've been, I'm by far the longest running host in the history of Hot 97, morning host, like by far. And so, you know, I don't get credit for that and I don't really expect to, but I've lasted there longer than any of the,


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[Assistant] Later than I should, like one, but I nap every day. I sleep for two hours in the middle of the day between my two shows every day. And then I walk to my second job, so that's not bad. It's on the Upper West Side, I live on the Upper West Side.


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[Assistant] I'm very, I'm relaxed. I, I, I chill out. I almost never go out on weeknights anymore. Labels know I don't really go to shit. Like I went to see that kid, Russ, perform last week because the labels really wanted me to go and, you know, if I have good relationships with a label. White privilege. Peter Rosenberg will go to your show. Exactly. They're like, they're like, he's a white rapper. We really think you should be here. It's important.


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[Assistant] No, in fact, I'm the worst. I'm way harder with white rappers. It takes me a long time. Yeah, yeah. Cause you know they get like a shitload more benefit from the fans, you know? The craziest thing about that show is, is like, I don't know, I didn't know about Russ at all until like two months ago I heard his name. His show was so jam packed with fucking white people.


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[Assistant] Bro, the way that white kids go, and that's why it goes all the way back to our old conversation about white people appreciating their place in culture, because if you don't,


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[Assistant] You turn around and you go to a show with a white rapper and all white kids. And I will always be uncomfortable with that. That to me, you start getting to a really dangerous line of like,


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[Assistant] Okay, at what point is it no longer what it once was? If you have a white rapper on stage talking about white things to a white audience, what is that?


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[Assistant] And I'm cool with that. Here's why I'm cool with that though. He's still at least rapping about the black experience. So by being a part of it, you're opening yourself up. The white kids are opening themselves up. But like when white kids started showing up,


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[Assistant] That's when I'm like, I don't have an interest in this. Now, I'm not saying that's Russ, cause Russ' experience from what I can tell, it doesn't seem like he's sitting there rapping about like, and then my mom bought me a car on my 16th birthday. It was so sweet.


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[Assistant] We did an interview with him in which he was...


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[Assistant] Not great. Uhm, I'm gonna do another one with him, and I'm gonna bring this up with him.


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[Assistant] That he wasn't great, and he has that whole idea of like, fuck you, you didn't support me.


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[Assistant] Why the fuck do you think people are obligated to support you? No one should be writing about you until right now. Until you're big. Yea, if you happen to be someone who they thought was really interesting, like dude, Earl Sweatshirt, his story was fucking interesting. People were all over it because it was crazy interesting. Now that said, he still had a ton of momentum.


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[Assistant] We have a bi- we're in the business of building stars. We need ratings, okay? Us playing random music by people who don't mean anything to our audience is a waste of three minutes in a day. We can't waste three minutes in a day. The reason they play Drake every single hour is because every single hour there are people out there who want to hear Drake.


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[Assistant] So if, so does it help if there's a label? Yes, because if a label's involved, it likely means they're promoting at other places. They're helping you be a star. So like, right now, we finally, I used to argue all the time with Ebro because I didn't think we played enough Kendrick.


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[Assistant] And, and I was like, now we're at a point with Kendrick where we're playing DNA. Humble.


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[Assistant] Uhm, the Rihanna record, like we're at a point now where you can play multiple songs off a Kendrick album and it's valuable. People aren't leaving because they're familiar with him and they want to stay there. Do I wish it was a world in which like you could just play new shit? Yeah, I guess that would be cool, but like,


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[Assistant] The ill-conceived part is, that part's always been for shows like my show. That's always been for late night radio. You break them at late night, and then if enough spins add up and momentum adds up, you move it into rotation. But like, so for someone like Russ to be pissed that a radio station's late, why sell tickets and blah blah blah.


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[Assistant] I feel that way, and a lot of people get it, some people don't. Sometimes we tell people, hey, we wish we played your shit more, but please come in for an interview anyway, and we'll put it up virally on our huge viral, on our channel, and we'll still get you love.


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[Assistant] 200 times a week, or whatever it is. So, but I wish we did more, but


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[Assistant] Chance fucking gets it. And he's like, bro, it's cool. I'm here for the long play. I want to come do the interview. I want to, we talk about rappers. Like Joey used to get mad at us and Joey's a dear friend of mine who I've supported since he was 17 years old. And he still gets, he had got into it with us before about like, there not being enough support. And I'm like, bro, you don't get it.


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[Assistant] The support we're able to give you is talking about you. Like we mention, like we talk for three hours a day, so if we casually say, oh, Joey badass this, Joey badass that, you know, that's still, you don't get it. That's not a spin, but it's part of building what this thing is. When you have the record,


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[Assistant] And the momentum, the time will come. But people still need to get the record. It's not a, listen, I've had so many records.


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[Assistant] I could go through a list right now of, uhm, Action Bronson and Chance. I thought that record should have been fucking huge, uhm, a couple years ago. Childish Gambino, Sober, I thought was gonna be a just absolute smash, didn't take off.


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[Assistant] I've had, uhm, uh, drum, uhm, cha-cha, I thought, which got killed by Hotline Bling, but like, I thought that would be a huge record. There's so many songs that you're like, this could really be the one, and it's frustrating when it doesn't go. And just like you, like, we sort of see ourselves the same way. We're sort of like A&R, we're trying to help you, like, we want people to win.


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[Assistant] And sometimes it doesn't make it through all the shit.


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[Assistant] I think you're probably right. My guess is at this point, it's worse for you. And you're getting from people who think like, oh, I saw so and so when they were on their come up. I feel like I'm in that exact same spot and they're not. Um, it's, it's bad, uh, and can be a lot, but at the same time, like I think, I think what's happened.


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[Assistant] And like, I still am happy, happy to give out my email address and people reach out, but like, I generally will be like, hey, you're not there yet, you know, like when you're there. Like, I have people who play me shit all the time, like, yo, this is fire, bro, you have 400 followers. If you do your interview right now, it's a waste of your Hot 97 interview. Like, wait till you have some shit, I already fuck with it.


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[Assistant] There are guys like Odyssey who's fucking amazing and has never been truly embraced in America and he's fucking incredible. I'll have him up every time cause he's there. I know he's there already. It's just America's not on it, you know? And like he's a professional musician who tours the world non-stop. America's just fucking super late to it. But there are some people who like,


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[Assistant] They're just not in a spot to do it yet and I, I try my best to nicely let them down.