which is true which is very true because people always buy things on impulse, and buying things on impulse means you're just you're just keeping something and just let letting it lie there, what if let's say somebody actually needs this product but just because you're buying on impulse right this person does not get the product and actually that could be a life or death uh situation for that person to actually have that product


imagine imagine it's it's it's an anti uh uh inflammatory uh uh cream, but somebody just sees it and then oh because it's on discount then they buy, and somebody who actually needs it after that it's no longer on the shelf or so no something they they cannot they cannot get you have to wait for the next stock to come how many times it has happened because people just buy for the sake of buying just because they tell you can buy six at one time so you buy all six is it


do you do you see the rational behind it that's what they're trying to say so advertising is bad, so their so that that so so so so that is bad for people who actually need it so you're just buying and hoarding on to a product that you don't need


is this this this person does not feel they just want to buy because it's been just it's just played with their mind they don't need it


I was just thinking we're time's up already


ya, to what extent does education prepare the young for a world that is constantly changing


okay, okay I think that ya education does prepare for the young for a world that is continue changing, especially the if the education is relevant


because now changes is inevitable, there's so much changes the world from say ten years ago and the world now is different, so the education needs to be


constantly updated so that the young can be prepared for a world that's constantly changing, so what are your views


yes which is why I feel that that education is important to prepare the yard education does not just refer to a formal education but you know the education syllabus should cater to the, changing world so that they can prepare the young


which is why like now we have HBL like home base learning which the kids can learn how to use zoom to, conduct lessons I think that is preparing the young for a world that is different from say even a year ago


well I think that there is still a need for the young to be prepared in a world that's ever changing because, if you don't prepare them they do not know what to expect, and then you know it it really depends on how the world is changing then the education syllabus should actually cater to that before educating them


like for example let's say, five years ago there's no need for them to learn how to use zoom meeting, you know and prepare for lessons at home but right now with this situation, that


the education must put this into place so that you can educate them in this area


yes in a way that is true but that is also education at large lah, which is ya, there's also education at large so it's always I think that the education must be kept in light of what is changing and then constantly adapt so that it's relevant to the young today


yes agree there need to be a guideline, but, again it's back to education does prepare the young for a world, some, at least some knowledge is better than no knowledge at all


ya, so I not sure if you are done on this topic, it's okay , ya so anyway ya so education dos prepare the young for a world that is constant changing but it depends on what is the education we're talking about and whether the education is relevant


you know and, what is relevant today may not be even relevant tomorrow


and as in that things like financial education is always, required for the young, if you say that to what extent education prepare I think certain things like financial education doesn't change five years ago five years now ten years down the road twenty years down the road financial education is still


absolutely necessary to prepare the young for our world, the world may be changing but the need for financial savvy is always there


yes yes


that we should look into it so, that is why education is still absolutely necessary to prepare the young for a world that is constantly changing


true but then at it depends on the age of child somethings the child still need to learn everything because like, for example if the if the child is uh


I think I am out at I I'm not sure why, I cannot see any of you okay I'm back in okay


uh ya so I said it depends on the age of the child like let's say if the child is in primary school or kindergarten then he or she needs to learn everything because, that is the basic of education before you can move on if you are talking about secondary school then maybe you can streamline and uh uh you know streamline our polytechnic can streamline but at the very basis


education, at large it's still needed so that you can prepare the the youngsters for the world that is changing


yup, so it really depends on the age of the child lah


if you are talking about in in university then there's no point in teaching everything because by then he or she would you know have a have a clearer idea of what they want to be in the future but if a child say like six seven years old you will need to teach them everything from the start and make sure that they have a strong foundation first


(mmhmm)


true that is true, which is why again the education must be streamline and also relevant that the content must be relevant to the child's age relevant to today's environment before it can talk about preparing the young for the world


correct, I think that is a, that is something that is not easy because again like I mentioned earlier what is relevant today if you do discuss today and we set up the syllabus that the young should learn this this


by three months down the road when the execution time this may actually not be relevant anymore so it's a it's a ever changing constant changing thing, ya


correct (hmm)


correct


, (ppc) yup, so anyway but there'll be some some parts of the education that is, again, relevant today relevant tomorrow which is financial savviness and


sexual education those need to be inculcate from young, teach them from young what is right what is wrong and what are the do and don't and, constantly uh drum into them


yup, yes yes


excuse me, right


so these are the education that from young they need to be taught like if you earn something you need to have a save what's the percentage you need to save what's the percentage you need, to spend and then how to make your money grow we all work very hard for our money how to make your money grow food


this is a constant education for them, (mmhmm) right


correct but what what you are saying now is also education now which is this sort of education is needed to prepare the the the the young for a world that is constantly changing, (mmhmm), correct correct


okay ya books serve


books serve little purpose in education as technology development, be become, the more sophisticated, how far do you agree


I think that books do serve it's purpose as a reference point, worse, yes technology is moving very far but books still serve it's purpose


it really depends on what is the, the topic you are referring to like let's say if, , we're talking about economics, something you learn in a levels I think books still serve


a very important uh form of education, because the basic thing about demand and supply doesn't change five years ago ten years ago, and now the


basic facts doesn't change, yes you can get this off the internet but, you know books is still very good for a reference point, ya, so and then especially if you are referring to history things


books is very good because, apparently history it doesn't change so if it's documented in books and rather than documented online because online there may be many that many different versions and , it's hard it's hard to even find out


to know which facts are nice a fact or is it just some nonsense, which is totally untrue


I think that the internet is good, but, in in in terms of doing research right books still serve the purpose most internet somethings like I said earlier it is very everybody can just post on the internet


and then things on the internet sometimes maybe this webpage is here now but, later it will not be here anymore but book is a hardcopy which, you can refer to you can keep it you can you can hold it in your hands and you


you know exactly, what where it's coming from where as internet you you do not know person a may claim that he he wrote this but that may not even be the truth


then, that would be the same for technology online, you know just because it's written on the website doesn't is is is the truth, especially it's it's so much easier to you know just write something on a web page and then to say that for example okay the the world is flat and then three four days later


I delete it and then the world is square, and then for this later I delete it and said the the world is whatever whereas a book to print a book, it's not as easy, so, in theory


, you would want to check the facts, better before you print the book and have it in, writing then and and grab hold of it and shove it in your face you and said !hey! why did you write this whereas if you pull something online you delete it and then you said no I didn't write it


and then there's nothing much the other person can do


right but I, I still think that books do somes do serve some purpose in education, that something's not not not not everything can be found online there'll be something somethings that are


available in books that is not documented online, ya


yes which is ultimately they will still put it into a book which is why the books still serve, as a purpose, they serve a purpose if if the book doesn't serve with purpose then, it would not have been documented into a book and everything would be put online already


depending on when the book is written leh but like I said it, still serve some purpose in education because it there shows you what are the thinking of the people back then


right


true I agree with that, ya so, ya


yes but that, there is still a purpose in, education and not that you know with technology development that books have become obsolete that there's absolutely no need for books books are still needed yes maybe the need for books have diminished but


definitely it's served some purpose and not little purpose, yes


, and she's right also books are updated version ya version one two three four it's based on the new information given then they


can revise revise on the book and improvise on the book


(mmhmm), okay ya, true


right, right right, that that is very true


is education the most powerful tool, you can use to make the world a better place, I think that education is the most powerful tool you can use


to make the world a better place because, education change, the respective, education give new insights new thinking to people


which is why it's most powerful tool to make the world a better place


uh anymore my side I cannot hear


no not noisy, ya, I think it's coming from your side my side there's no sound


okay ya


I think that besides education your experience in life your, perception is coupled with the education making the world into a better place not just education your past experiences your values but education


is, one of the most powerful tool we can use, to help change the world into a better place because education gives, them, the ability to change their lives, to know ya


you know drop out of school but that is one out of how many million or billions people I think the the, public at large still requires education still needs the education to


them learn to help them adapt, to the world and to help them make the world a better place, yes it's, there will be definitely some people who can make it without the education but there is a very small percentage but the larger percentage of people still needs the education


to help them get out poverty to help them to, just acquire knowledge and I think that knowledge is power


so, ya to to me education is one of the most powerful tool, to have that any, education is constant so like that it's just that change is constant what we learn today may not be relevant to tomorrow therefore we need to be constant learning constant upgrading ourselves to better improve


which is why it's the most important tool that we can use to make the world a better place


true so it's how you use the education but if education use in a proper way it will be the most powerful tool you can make I mean if you use, based on your education you you you use it to use it in


an unlawful way it is a very powerful tool but it doesn't make the world a better place, but if education use it in a right way then you are talking about the population at large it actually benefits the population as a whole


right I agree so it, what you're essentially saying is it depends on what type of education like certain app education may be already obsolete, but certain education is still valid


so it really depends on what is the education we're talking about but education at large is still the most powerful tool that we can use to make the world a better place because with education then it can actually


mold the minds, it can actually uh give knowledge and then, again again like you mentioned it depends on the moral values and coupled with a lot of other things before we can say that it makes the world a better place but still education is necessary


yes but if you you say that if you you you are you just accept and act on it, but


still education is still needed you can accept but you don't have the basis for the education you do not then know what, accept, what to act on because you you are not able to, tell which is which


so only with education then you can learn to decide for yourself and draw your own opinion, but of course, to say it uh, just on education alone is wrong lah because it will really depends on your upbringing your moral values and all


is a whole package that rather than just education by itself


yes, yes, so ya education is still needed especially for the very young generation where you know they are like a sponge everything we teach them they just absorb like a sponge


maybe, ya maybe if they were in later years then education, it's important but then it's it's like by then they would have form their own opinion


(mmhmm), (mmhmm), yup


so, essentially it's still needed it's still one of the most powerful, tool we can use if we're talking about you know if


education is not the most powerful tool we can make the world a better place then what is the most powerful tool, to me education is the most powerful that I can think of if you say that education is not the most powerful tool then which other thing is the most powerful tool


(hmm) that is true


right right but


right right, in a way that is true, (ppc) but at the same time that is if you are, if you are talking about education as the formal education but education may not just be on the formal side but the informal things


that is a whole package, then that by itself is a very powerful tool


yes , correct, their learning skills


right, yes if at if if you are talking about education is what you learn in school then I think that is not the most powerful tool education as in learning on a whole because education is really all about learning that is constantly learning which is whether you are in school


or you are out of school you can still have an education you could still be learning, then that is the most powerful tool that we can make the world a better place, right


yes, yes


right right, so learning is the most powerful tool and not just, education is formal education is not the most powerful tool but education on the whole is the most powerful tool


which is learning


run in the centre right, okay okay, to what extent does education prepare the young for a world that is constantly changing


okay I think june you need to start first,


, for me uh I slightly disagree because I think education, to some extent does prepare the world but in this world where everything is about


other intangible values ah sometime you you they need to be, thought about your IQ EQ inter personality uh interpersonal relationships and all that ah which is to some extent our formal education system does not teach and a lot of time


these are the things that, uh, useful in in the society where everybody we are now not just talking about singapore if you're going to like now like that we're going on on online on web


we can be in meeting with other countries other nations and the former education does not really matters because it's how you inter react with people that that is uh that is more important and the inter reaction skills


is is still not, that fully uh prepare us for our youngsters ah nowadays ya,


ya but former education there is uh no end in sight one so how do we come to a point where we say okay enough education or not enough education how


there there won't be uh a end you see so we need to come to a stage where you say okay we have to look, beyond formal education must look into as I say all this uh IQ EQ how you how you interact with people or even other things that not the is not


uh former in the former sense lah where where we study a b c maybe you have to go to other other act uh interest uh go to other interest or what that is


way ya I think that that should be the way lah ah


ya but, as I said that formal education can only go so far I can have A's in A's in all subjects, but when I go out to the working world, the company does not really need me to have an a in uh let's say


geometry, or social studies uh eh when I'm doing a work that is not that does not cater for this I can, I can be in a technical technical line but


the the my technical line the things that I study, to some extent yes there is use but a lot of it, it's just to make you open up your mind to, for concepts and uh concepts and ideas it does not really


uh, it's a use for the education that that is that we are you that we are now, asking them to learn, you can learn everything from a to z that is to open up your mind only but if you go out to the working world your a to z that you learn is not really relevant


we what we can do is we uh we can try to, teach them to be more open minded, more receptive to ideas more receptive to thinkings thoughts and other


but for formal education I think we could do with less , yup I agree yes


yes I to some extent yup, that should be the way, but to to extend to how how, I mean they the educations must come to there must be a guideline that says the technology now


are we going to teach them the most up to date yesterday's technology, or, the technology that that is maybe one year ago that we teach them, all these we need to, there need to be a guideline


yes to some extent yes I do I must agree that yes without education ya I think, we we are not doing the justice to our young if we are not giving them the education lah ya that I must agree ya


, ya, ah


yes agree, like lah like what I'm doing now right to some extent my work, which is so called uh okay my my my my, my work now uh to some extent yes is is relevant to what I am what I have what I'm being educated in but maybe


let's say twenty years down the road I think my line will not be relevant anymore so way, we should, so we must, have something that that is uh so called because ah


all rounder so all this as I say it should be in other form of your other interest, or your IQ EQ or even the things like whether are you educate them in uh whether you are more hands on more academic


these are ya these are the things that we should also consider look into lah, !huh!


yes,


, yes agree, and another another point that I I feel we must teach our young is put it that way sexual education, nowadays even in singapore, the young are getting older


and they are more, so called uh they reach puberty on, more more faster and all that we need to be prepared we need to prepare them for what is on the website what is real what is not real what is outside what is real what is not real which I think our former singapore education is


not not preparing them that much ah it's only going to fracture like uh if you, if you so call have sex then you will get pregnant is but they're not going to the all the why is it how how how you prevent how that that I think to we should also look into it


yes yup ah that I must agree ya but uh as I said yup education yes, ah but uh to to me for those former education that is advocated by the, uh MOE that one we need to tweak the system or we need to align with align the system better in the sense that they are now teaching them a lot of things they are still teaching them a lot of things they are still teaching them a lot of things that is so called not needed


and, and uh, it's still I think it's still some some of it is still being force fed so they need to teach them to think better, I think the education


I think the education system should, be , uh prepared such a way that must must make our young think, think for themselves, rather than the the teachers or the parents push them to


to do or think


yup, okay, ya I think, yes yes


but if let's say by at, b six or even primary school you load them with, everything ah, they might come to a point where they say, uh I do not want to learn already, then I think that defeats the purpose of uh giving them an education


when they are so so called tied down oh so, tired out of the former education that they do not want to learn


ya but to, the setting how to set the formal education ah that one, maybe we should maybe the relevant


authorities should look into it


yes, yup (hmm), ya and because it's uh ever constant changing


we need to set the guideline on, to, when can when do we need to teach them the, the, the knowledge and technology because as you say, it's a ever constant ever constant changing world


new technologies are coming in old technologies are going out, we need to set, what is, relevant at this stage and what is obsolete at this stage, so that


the the the knowledge is being imparted, is at a, is at a range where it is acceptable, ya


, !wah!, I think we already exhausted our


yes , correct yup I agree, , yup ya, and also I think one point is


moral moral education, because no point no point you no point if we follow the media or in the, uh internet where we say or it, you need to earn a lot of money you need you can earn a lot of money you need to earn a lot of money


buy this buy that have this have that, it is always not a matter of how much you earn how you earn but how much you can save and how well can you put aside for your financial needs no point I I can earn one million but I spend two million


then you will be always then you will be always uh so called, not ready for anything,


yes, ,


yup yes, correct, then if you talk about, and our education you also need to


the , educate them on the dangers of internet, nowadays internet is everywhere the web the social media is everywhere, and you can see a lot of, social bullying social discrimination


this and that need to teach them that all this, sometime to some extent does not matter, whatever people say does not matter, whatever it is you need to think


if they talk too much is either you can, don't bother about them, or if really, it really bothers you, report it, and not keep it to yourself, and uh a lot of things will happen lah


yes yes correct, yes correct, ya but all this is not the formal education ah this my stand ah


okay books serve little purpose in education as technological developments become more sophisticated how far do you agree


okay, okay uh


for me I think nowadays the, physical books as in the books in the library or the one that you see all those binded, books it it really serves little purpose, because I think


nowadays uh if let's say on the on the you can get us all sorts of information from the either the internet, social media all that, to some extent yes those are so called books but


uh as in those virtual they are so called consider virtual books but in the contents of the paper books ah, , those are the paper book, to some, it it it it only serves as a reminder or as a


as a reference or even I don't even say it's a reference because nowadays, if for reference you go onto the net, or you go onto those respected site they give you more information


at a faster pace books, it's more like entertainment only, technology knowledge all that, it is all, already all online


even the reputable uh, academic uh institutions or what all their research all their research they put online, then they, and then after that is when it's being verified all that


then they put it in the books as a record purpose only so, to me, books is, more like entertainment, or, it's just a, confirmation uh


in a sense that when he's grab he have more more and more tech, more and more so when things getting more and more sophisticated you get more technological developments ah, I think a lot of things will either be on the web


or in maybe other forms, ya


, okay if you are talking if it's about history as this has this there's this saying


victors write history, so if you're talking about, history ah, different countries have different versions of let's say okay let's say history different countries will have different versions of


how the war is being fought and how the war is being won or fought, so you need to, go, research other things, to


to have a uh uh so called, uh how you say ah balanced view of of, how this this event is being played out, because if let's say you you


you go to uh this country, where they lost the war they'll always say that they were being oppressed they they they were defending themselves they have they and you go to the, the country that won the war they always say that ah they are the victors on the side of the just and righteous they they so called they did not invade


they just uh they just go and help out, so you need to go to a neutral party which sometime may not be in the form of books to have your own view on how this event played out how this event started how this event won


so ya as I said so books is, written in the word in a way that, it is skewed towards whoever is whoever writes it


if you need to check on something you need to go on, very often you need to go on, or go on the, internet to check out


text ya


, yes but, uh sorry you were saying, books can also be skewed towards uh


the writers, biasness, the writer might want to say that, the, the earth is flat, the sun rises from the west sets in the east


I write it down on these facts I print it I put it the world is flat, so in a sense is that a record of what is the truth, I don't think so you can take this pro yes this so writer so called said that the earth is flat and because there is a written and documented copy


that must be the truth, I don't think so because you need to go, to other other sources to verify that, whatever that I write, is it correct, is it true


because if you're talking about books the books written in let's say, eighteenth century, seventeenth century or even sixteenth century where they claim that, the earth is the center of the universe if you talk about religious theological aspects are the earth is the


focus of the whole universe the sun and the planets all evolve around the earth and the earth is a piece of flat land so when you so you're not supposed to sail out too far because once you sail out too far


it would drop to nothing, and all these are books that are documented and proclaim as the, absolute truth, so and those are in the sense the acceptable accepted


education, syllabus or accepted accepted technological, things that , so, you need to, verify uh as I said you need to verify what is it that


that is truth and what is not, only when you get, more and more advanced then yes you get more and more knowledge and then you can, check that, it verify that yes some books are


true, some books are not there are some that is fiction there are some that is, uh, for truth or some that is utter rubbish, ya so


, yes true


uh I think that goes both ways the book ah you can, ya true, but I I still feel that books uh serve, nowadays book serve more like


uh, uh so call, confirmation but, to verify whether that confirmation is correct or not or whether that one is it


the truth, you still need to go to other sources other sources can be, academic, or what which sometime


can be, most study you can find online, of course as you saying online some are utter rubbish but you need to go to the reputable site, or reputable source


of course if you want to verify your fact, you don't go to a nonsense site and you go to that, let's say you want to verify this school is fact about this school of course you go to the school website to verify not go to


some some sites that that condemn the the the disco and say ah this is the fact, ya,


, , actually nowadays a lot uh a lot of thing I can say more than ninety percent of, uh things like facts or even scientifical ah


and uh scientifical those uh discoveries and all that, they will put online first, to let your peers verify check everything, and documented discuss criticised critic everything


and it's found that and if it's found that yes this is, accepted ah then, they were published in the book and keep it for, history so, ya lah comes back to history ah books


serve more like a, confirmation of your achievement, rather than as a form of uh, education of uh your technological uh provers ya


ya but because that one by the time you put in a book it is already so called history, so if you are talking about, advance knowledge, yes that one will just serve as a


guide, but it won't be the most updated, facts, sometimes, for, updated facts you need to still go onto the web to check on the relevant


uh documents that is being kept in the relevant archives and all that those are more advanced rather than in the book as I say if you let's say you take a book from the eighteenth century do you say that that is the most advanced technology I don't think so


yup (mmhmm)


yes it's if it ya it it does prove some it does prove some ah it does serve some purpose but in, in the sense that it it serves purpose in education more, if for for your uh, research yes more for your research purpose and for your historical purpose


but for, for advance research or to prove a, to prove a point about, this uh, so called advanced theory ah not that relevant ah


of course if you talk about maths where everything maths or some basic science where basic knowledge or the advance theory in maths that everything is all standardised yes that is already there are but if talking with quantum science or quantum maths


uh I'd still think that, if the book is more for research and not for your advance theory,


so in ah so in ya I still think, ya books are more for research, research purpose


fun purpose ya


yup true true, yes, does serve some purpose but not I don't I don't find that it serves much in an outskirt development lah


, (ppc) (ppc), ,


ya but even if let's say now you advance to version two version three, that is, to to a point where it's being printed only that is why they always state version two printed this date so after that it is not documented it is only documented in the


in documented somewhere but it's not printed, so if you want to so if you were to depend on that book for the most updated uh version ah, it is only up to the date where it's printed


because even let's say after one day after the the book is printed, the book is only serve as a guide reference only, it will not serve as the most latest version


, like my place when we have a new line line up is all documented in the in the our, computer's system, the printed things are only for reference then if you were to depend on the printed


diagrams that is just uh it it won't be the most advanced, the my this, pipeline can be, there can be commission just after the book the the thing is printed lah so it's not


not uh,


okay is education, is education the most powerful tool we can use to make the world a better place


I do I don't really agree, what I think your, your attitude, your perception


your thinking, is more more more important you see like, if you saying about the formal education, bill gates he he did not


he he I think he went to MIT or is it harvard, he did not finish and then he, he cover with, microsoft, or even jack ma


he did not went to university, and he was just a, I think, english teacher teaching basic english and then because he got this idea he got this concept that, he can do this and now he's the


most richest men of Alibaba, if you are talking about, education , it it to some extent it only opens your mind but if you are not perceptive to how to use


the formal education, it it it will not it it won't be that powerful it won't be the most effective


ya but, ya I can hear


there is a static there's a lot of static sound, but don't know coming from where ah, but my side


there's nothing so called nothing running except my computer and my handphone ah, ya okay ya


ah okay where was I ah okay ya ya so I think the, the attitude and your attitude and your and your attitude is more important, you are in


yes yes education does help, but uh it should not be the most, important criteria, there are some so called uneducated


formal educated person that make good, but yes I agree, education is a very important tool


true true true education is important but, if if you give them education but if you don't give them a chance to


use that education then it's so called not really, uh useful lah, you like, ya


uh whereas if uh


you you can you can have the best education, but you are not perspective, to receive the information, or if you you use that education for unlawful means it


it is more a hindrance to society, rather than than uh, than a tool to make a world a better place lah


yes true true true because, if the world is not educated the world is uh the more


more dull place ya, you need to educate the the the people, in a sense that you need to educate them so that they can be, uh, more


perceptive more productive to make the place the society the world ya better place yes to some extent ya true true, but if you say that is the most important I, I don't I I disagree ah it is still


your your your how to say you, it is still how how you make use of that, that that education that is more important


I can everyday feed you with, hundred facts one thousand facts one thousand uh scientifical advances development discoveries every single minute of the day I push it to you


but if you do not want to accept it you do not want to think about it you do not want to act on it that is an education ah but does it makes you a better place bet better person does it make the world a better place I doubt so


because you are not willing to accept you're not willing to act on it you're not willing to listen to to it so, it it it it serves no purpose other than to come in one ear go out another ear so it is still but boils down to how how much do you want to accept that this is a


uh advantage rather than a liability


(ppc), yes education it is


still a bit slight it is still necessary but I won't say that it is the most important criteria lah I still ya I still think that you need to accept, have the mindset to accept it and act on it and that I think is more important than just uh uh the facts that's being fed


, true true true, so ya it, in a sense ya


but I still ya it is, boils down to how, how much you want to accept, except this thing as a, as a education rather than uh just uh


rather than things that this one can help you rather than to say that these ah, rubbish that you can throw aside ya, ya


but if


yes so I think, in the later years when they had can form their own opinion that is the point where you can say education


ya, actually starts lah, because if, when if you are saying if you are young, they will absorb all the information all all the facts and all that, and then they they do not know which is right which is wrong


that it comes down to you need someone to guide them on on the the the the things that they absorbed whether is it relevant whether is it factual, factual or not, and only when they are so called


more uh more grown up, and then the education starts lah ah, ya


the probably I think the, the willingness to accept, and willingness to, act on your, your your, perception uh that is more important


rather than the education if you if you got the mind to act on it, I think that is more important than teaching you, the whole universe but, you are not acting on it and end end up


you are just absorbing but you are not processing, the the, the willingness to want to act on things or even think about it I think that is more important than having a total or is a


uh education, you you you do you do see ah, shows or videos or whatever on, people that are not educated, but with their


hands they can do a lot of, wonderful things and all that, those they are not educated or they have less education but it's the willingness of them on their part, to use their hands to do


or create, wonderful things ha that makes a difference, there's see a lot of a lot of artist, they are not well educated


like let's say you see uh, those like <P1>van goth </P1> all that they are not really educated, but they can draw brilliant, wonderful uh drawings


so if he was to say oh he should get a art degree you should study this under this brilliant master he should follow this brilliant master then he can start to draw, I don't think he can be what he he he is now if let's say if he were to go that way ah


that is because that is how we perceive things how he thinks that ah I perceived like that so I draw this way and not say or I must follow this master I must follow this way I must draw this way then it won't be his style already


so if you were to follow education in that sense ah you won't get what he is now, or even as I if you say if let's say bill gates he will just follow okay computer last time computer there is no such thing as computer so there is no point in creating uh this uh computer program called microsoft because


there is no uh the acceptable accepted practice then was not to have a computer, so no point we do this one because, education same ah education is all books at that time, so you don't you don't really know what is a operating system then windows so if he were to accept did that this practice is like that


he won't be coming out windows


yes if you're talking about uh the, as a whole package yup uh if you talk my my point is uh, formal education is not the the the most powerful lah if you talk about education as a whole as in the whole package uh your accepting of information your your your your


ya your how how you process it how you act on it yes I do agree that should be, that should be the way ya that is the the very powerful way, if is uh the whole


whole uh whole package lah ya lah, (hmm), but if just just ah but if education is just about accepting the facts and just, taking in the facts I think that is not


that that won't be


yes agree agree the education or the willingness to learn should not just stop at sixteen or twenty when you stop schooling it should be as you grow learning should never stop


so in a sense that, if the question should be learning and not education if you put as is learning the most powerful tool yes I can say yes that is correct


formal education ya, yes yes


test, uh debate topic one


debate topic one, okay


practical ability is as important as intellectual ability because we need both of the ability to be able to succeed in life, so practical ability is things like, the your, lifelong skills like teamwork


and , that you know all these that will lead you through, like uh, your skills to be able to actually uh understand the emotions of other, people, but intellectual ability, is also important because you need to have


the knowledge, in order to be applied, to part of your career


K I agree that practical ability is important but in the current society I mean uh it is actually important for them to have intellectual skills as well so you are right that both both I mean practical is important but in order for them to be able to demonstrate


their their, practical ability they must first, also have the intellectual skills that means they must somehow be able to, actually uh excel in in their qualification so then when they go into the job they will be able to practice they will be able to demonstrate on their


practical ability so without one or the other they will not be able to actually the two actually complements each other because without uh intellectual skills if they have not gain any, knowledge like for example someone who


who have uh, uh issue understanding even how to do problem solvings, uh, they may not be able when they even when you go for baking when you go for like even if you are just a, uh, a cashier and so on you will need to be able every time there will be problems that comes up you'll need to be able to


to do problem solvings to be able, to uh have the the, mind to analyse so uh you know intellectual as then that's when you know you also apply your, practical, ability so it it works hand in hand so both are actually equally


important in my time


okay uh, yes it is it is important but uh I also believe that it is as important as uh intellectual, because if it's just basing on practical ability to be successful


in life uh unfortunately there are not many joseph schooling, in the world lah you know and uh, uh joseph schooling has the the support, the from his, parents you know in terms of uh unless you you do have support for for monetary


and so on then you'll probably be able to have more avenues open up for you to be successful in life, okay but uh uh, what we are referring to is uh, you know to, actually be able to have the practical as well as to work with the intellectual for example what we what uh we are talking about intellectual is for example when we we pursue our studies we pick up skills like


uh, problem solvings we pick up skills like, be able to do, uh, analytics to be able to analyze situation, and, to organize things in a proper way so these are things that uh we need to pick up to be able to work hand in hand with the practical ability like


uh if you are talking only about practical ability then uh how many of our, uh, you know how many of uh the people like for example how many of the people in the top management in a, company like name any company who are the people that are actually there that actually only has the practical ability but do not possess the intellectual skills so it you know in order to


to, go up to there it has to work hand in hand together, you know to complement each other because uh for, practical ability you know it, you can uh you can have the skills to cook you can have the skills to bake but you may not have the skills to be able to organize and set up


uh set up your own business because, there are a lot of things involved that are, uh requires it's not just because you know how to cook you know how to bake you will be able to sell, see so like you know you're able to actually uh, the it like, solve problems whenever there is you still probably have to seek help from other people because you you don't have the knowledge to actually do that


you don't have the knowledge to actually organize to plan out what you are supposed to do in the business, so , my point is uh practical ability is, it has to work hand in hand with intellectual skills, that's my point


exactly I I do agree that, exactly like what uh linda you've mentioned is that you know for example when they go for the, a course in a school if you noticed that the the topics the syllabus or even the modules in a school is not just purely on teaching them practical ability if you if you ever look at the modules in a school or even the way the curriculum are actually uh


, organized you will notice that you know for for not just learning gaining knowledge, you know the teacher will also actually put them in group work, the teacher will also uh you know uh let, them study things like probably in terms of, uh like you know uh


uh discipline or you know learn about discipline when they go to school these are things that they, they have to pick up, uh it's not just you know being able to do, they must also know when when and uh, what to do then that is when you know both of the skill have to


work together, if they just go to a school if practical ability is uh that important then the school will only have topics that it's all on doing and, and you know teaching you how to cook teaching how to cut cut the vegetable how to bake a cake there will not be other topics in uh in a education institute that will teach you


about, a teamwork that will teach you probably about, about uh you know, how to do project together because they are things that that totally cannot be, learn uh, you know in terms of just uh doing hands hands on like you know baking and cooking uh you still need to


be able to uh work with people you still need to be able to actually uh, uh you know uh, have the interpersonal skills, uh the, unlike for example when you work in a group work you face problem you've got team members how do you actually solve the issue even being a doctor you know I know how to do a surgery


but, the there will be complications there will be issue when it comes up because every case is different so that is when they need to apply their intellectual skills like problem solving analyze the situation and comes out with the best solution so if a doctor only know how to do surgery then the


will, will not you know be able to succeed in in every cases because every patient is different, uh it that applies to any profession, you know every time that will be challenging case you know so like for example when you want to be a baker yes I know how to bake but let's say if uh


uh uh, a customer were to give me I want to customise a cake a customer were to give me a, a challenge of doing a cake that I've never done before you know so again you need to be able to, analyze how you should do it, to actually fulfill the requirement of the customer so


it has to be hand in hand that's my point


okay I I agree with your, point in terms of like uh there're, still ah there're kids with a special needs but, uh but it is also it is also because of the limitation of all these children that they are not able to improve in their intellectual skills because the autism students like for example the ADHD students they are restricted


by uh, their ability to interact with people that is why the government is putting in a lot of money to ensure that they have the practical ability to be able to survive but we are referring to the general the generic students who are actually


are normal you know they are able to express how they feel and so on so for this, the special needs group of students of course I agree that you know practical ability will be more important, for them but uh referring to our you know uh general group of a


students who are you know, uh, not having this kind of special needs they will also need to have the intellectual skills because uh when it comes to, work it to the working world it is not just about, what you, have learned it's not just about applying your knowledge but it's also about having the intellectual skills to be able


to, to do problem solvings all throughout your journey in your career because uh uh you know your skills have to change you have to decide whether you need to, uh you know uh, pick up a new skills and so on so these are all uh problem solvings and concept that you'll need to have so to me I feel that both are equally important


turn thank you


oh ya <mandarin>只剩我跟你啊：zhi sheng wo gen ni a</mandarin> <mandarin>对:dui</mandarin> eh <mandarin>为什么:wei shen me</mandarin>ha, I think she will join again I believe maybe she's trying or come in cannot text her lah cause the phone also cannot stop


oh


okay I think she's trying to come in we just wait for a while oh, oh eh you pass your time already then,


or you should reset the time


okay uh, to me I believe that failure should be used in education because uh, is failure is actually to motivate students to actually you know, work better because uh the


students should be able to actually feel the the sense of urgency the anxiety whenever they they failed to do well in a certain subject that is actually like a wake up call for them, to be able to, to know that you know this is the time they need to


because if we do not use the word failure in education the students will not be able to know where they stand and they will always be complacent, that you know that you know they're still doing fine you know they are, they are you know uh


still doing well they will not know, uh whether, you know they are actually within a certain standard or not so by setting the, failure or a gauge for failure in education will be able to let the student be able to know if they are still within


the range in their cohort or they are already, way below the the, the average or way below, the, normal standard in the whole group as the two as compared to their peers so they will be able to actually know they they they should do well it's like to motivate them to know that you know the next time I should not be able to I should not be getting a failure I should get I should actually you know get better results is to serve as a motivation for them


so failure should be used in education


okay I I understand the point linda you mentioned that you know uh you're worried that probably when we use the word on failure on students it will cause stress and all these to them but actually in the current society there's a lot of uh safety net for student


uh to, to deal with such issue okay uh whenever they have academic failure, uh, like for example every school every primary school every secondary school or even the higher learning institute, are all uh, they all have their own school counsellor and so on so these are the safety nets that the that the uh


the, the education uh board has actually prepare for the students whenever, the students have any issue in terms of not being able to handle with failure not being able to, cope with the uh, the stress and all these they will be able to actually you know


uh, go for help uh have free counselling services for them, so but the the point is, uh why is failure important because uh, when we actually, attend on a certain the test or exam we have a certain point of expectation and when we did not do well


that uh, uh that disappointment that sense of regret will actually wake you up to make you know that you are not working hard enough so without putting failure into education if you just were to rate the students accordings to, to to number or according to


just telling them whether their result is acceptable, or you know exceed a a set, uh exceed uh uh, uh expectation and so on it is not, uh, strong enough to let them know that they are not doing well enough or they have not put in enough


effort, some student may think that yeah I studied I studied for uh I studied for a day I think I have done my best, just because they have uh after that they receive the failure results then they realize that actually one day, is not enough you know uh


I probably need to prepare my exams like one week in advance, so with the word failure is not to actually uh stress them out but to actually you know make them understand make them know that every fall that they have they will learn they will have to learn to to you know pick up themselves and then improve


that is how our past generations of uh, you know our pioneer generations you know our Merdeka generations they have all come about to these and that is how we also build resilience in our students nowadays because without making them fail they will not be able


to adapt, to the failure they will not be able to see the opportunity that is open up to them the new opportunity they will not be able to know that okay I may not the, this may be a wrong method for me to study lets explore other methods for me to actually do better


that is when you know they will start to think about it because they faced failure so I feel that failure will still, uh have to be used in education


okay I I understand your point about the example you mention about the students during PSLE but, the uh, uh this is exactly the issue with the current days parenting okay the parent nowadays are actually doing everything to ensure that their children do not face failure


and that is uh precisely why the children are so afraid because they have probably never, failed an exam in their life, okay so they have never experienced failure that is why they fear for something that they have never experienced okay so unfortunately nowadays this is how the parents actually uh bring their kids up because uh every exam cannot fail okay I should not see a F


in your exam paper so I give you tuition I give you everything to make sure that you must, okay the next time you you should not be I don't want to see any F so probably if you look at their their PSLE girl you mention probably if you look at her


her her, results sheets she have never gotten a failure before probably you know she is only close to failure so that's exactly the thing because their parents protect them so much that they have never experienced failure and so they are afraid of something that they have never experienced so they the parents never let them fall


and naturally you know uh pick themselves up so, to share a personal experience uh is that you know during my secondary school days I I did not do very well okay during my time when uh, parents uh uh uh


uh not so educated we do not have parents who send us to tuition we do not have parents who will monitor us to make sure we we don't get a failure so during my secondary school days there was one year that I did not do very well and I actually uh fail on a, most of my subjects so that is I would say that because of seeing all the failures on the exams later is actually a wake up call for me I wouldn't say I actually done fantastically right now but at least I would say that that is the year that is very significant


to me because that is the year that I have to tell myself that because I fail so much and uh no one will be able to help me except for myself so that's when actually it's a it's a wake up call for me because imagine if I were to not fail and every year I just scraped through


that probably fifty sixty over marks you know never be able never see an F in a in a exam paper then I will not be able to appreciate the lesson I learn, during that year so I will still feel that you know for students uh it is okay to let them fail is okay to put failure in the paper because with with failure in in their life one time in their life at least or in their


education then they will know you know education is to be done to be actually pursued for their own good not because the parent want them, they must really failed be able to to be able to know that what they're doing, is actually enough or not enough


so failure should be used in education


okay I understand about the emotional part, err it is true but uh, I would say that for parents to, uh, if you are saying about like fifteen over twenty I wouldn't say that is a failure, I mean uh we are referring to failure in education means like probably they you know out of hundred they probably get like you know thirty or forty marks


a fifteen out of twenty is uh is quite a good result lah you know for for me lah, I don't have a, that high of a expectation okay but uh, for, like you know but we're talking about like people who failed their failed their subject failed that topic and so on you know that is when that is really a


for to motivate them you know because students nowadays are actually not, not uh used to failure they're not used to to you know seeing failure and teachers and parents are so protective to them that you know they


they they're not used to the word failure so it costs the generation right now to be very protected, uh you know to be actually very uh worried every step they take they are also very worried because they don't want to experience failure okay or they have never experienced failure so like for example everything that they


they do in life you know if they are unsure that is a hundred percent sure success they may not want to attend, uh that is why they resort to like you know a instant uh, uh, ratification like our internet and so on that's why they are not used to failure that's why failure should be used in education to wake them up


okay I shall start okay, only educated people should have the right to vote in election and I agree with this sentence because uh only educated people will be able to actually choose


the right people to govern their government, because uh they will be the one to actually know, like the the, uh they will be the people that has the right mentality to make the right decision, and


uh they will have basic, political knowledge and uh they will also be, uh equipped with the knowledge about the history of how the country comes about to be able to make better decision, to actually choose the right government to actually take care of the country


uh whereas on the other hand uh uneducated people or people who are not as educated, maybe easily actually uh, swayed by the uh, uh uh propaganda by those uh uh, uh political parties that you know they have been uh


campaigning and so on so they may not make the right decision because they are not sure what are the measures that is being come up by the opposition or even the the uh, the various party what is actually achievable, after the party is being voted so there are some parties that urge


the they agree with doing this and that all to your benefits but you know to people who are not very educated they may not know they may think that oh this is good for me and this is uh this is very good I will want that to, happen to me when, when this party you know go into go into power but not knowing that you know uh because they are not the


the, educated in terms of uh economics and so on so they will not be able to know that some of the measures are not feasible, so to me I feel that only educated people should have the right to vote in election in order to choose the right, government to govern the country


okay ya it it's true that you know we have our pioneer generation, and a uh you know our, Merdeka generation that actually do the votings and so on


but uh, it is actually the fact that you know if they actually do the votings based on the past result of the, government but not what, uh you know when you do elections when you do voting we are looking at the future, we are looking at what this uh


parties can actually provide us or can improve for the country for the next five or if not ten years, you know but uh uh, we are not uh voting based on our past experience with the the, the party or we are not voting based on what they have


done well in the past but we are, we are voting about what they can do for us in the next coming five years so if we were to actually depend on the votes for the Merdeka and the pioneer, uh you know generations uh based on their feelings you know


uh for their past uh, the achievement then uh it may not be very reliable, because ah, uh things are evolving everyday things are changing every day so we have to look forward to make sure that the right government, will be able to make the right decision uh what works last time under the govern of uh


the past minister or pass parliament may not work, uh in the next five years so only educated people will be able to actually decide and tell because they always follow the news they always follow the, the, uh what is actually happening to the world right now to be able to make the right decision to make sure that you know


uh, who they are voting for will be able to deliver, okay because uh for example, like uh even like, for like even the, uh US ah, uh ex president leh the a, franklin roosevelt actually mentioned that you know in order to


have a, better government in order to have better democracy we have to start with education first so even a, uh, the president actually agrees that in order to let people make the right decision to to choose a better government we have to first educate our people so I still believe that educated people should have the right


to vote, only educated people should have the right to vote yeah that's what I


I feel


okay yes I do agree that, uh uh, you know uh everyone has the right to vote but uh let's make a comparison, uh, for example you are with okay you you mentioned that there're some educated people people though they are educated but they may not have the interest


but uh I'm very sure they will still follow the news they can read they will still be able to somehow know what's going on but they may not go in depth but in compared to someone who is uneducated they may not have even read a single piece of news about, about, the propaganda that is being posted about the uh


what are the things that the political parties have promised so uh what do you think when they go to when this group of uneducated people go into the uh, a voting centre how will they actually vote there will vote just by feeling or probably just by the the symbol or the logo that they are more familiar with or the the more logo that they see on at the bus stop and so on so do you want this group of people to actually decide who is going to be our


who is going to govern our country like this or would you rather the give the chance to uh educated people who may not be totally interested in political, uh issue but somehow they know what is going on and they have, if if given a chance they have


the ability to read and find out more before they they cast that vote rather than someone that totally don't have the ability you know and when they go to the center they just vote but, what, you know their neighbour tell them to or probably vote, by you know uh, uh which colour is their favourite colour and so on because they don't know what's going on so


why is it uh important that educated people vote because uh, uh you know the, uh educated people were subject to actually choose the, the the best decision, or will be able to make the best decision because uh they are educated and because they can do the critical thinking similarly like for example you know we we go to


the hospital for for doctor to help us okay we will let the doctor do the decision make the decision we don't teach a doctor what to do because we are not educated in medical line so we trust the the profession of a doctor because he is educated in such a way so that's why uh


it is important that only educated people that knows about you know political issue it has the ability to read and understand about the, the, what's going on in the country have the right to vote in the election


okay I I do agree that you know uh, uh you know, they may be able to like you know they may not be able to get help or or you know only to certain party but you know these are exactly why, uh you know, uneducated people are actually easily


influenced by uh the, uh the things that they see right before them or the, they like you say they don't know how to read but they listen you know so these are the things that you know they listen to the uh, the promises that is given by the uh various party and they feel that oh this one sounds very good you know it's uh is is going to benefit me or I would like to have this benefit


uh for example you know with the there are parties that actually say oh you will need to have the minimum salary for singapore we need to implement that just like other country like australia and all these so and for people who are not educated they may think that you know oh this is a good thing I would like that to happen to me so that you know my pay will increase and so on


or or you know and people will say oh I will, cancel all the the, the ERP and so on I will not increase the GST and so on so some people will feel that !wah! this is a good thing so that I don't have to pay nine percent GST, but the thing is uh uneducated people will think that this is a good measure but uh if you are educated and you follow the economics and so on then you will say that okay if I don't want to increase this


if I give free of these free of that free medical and so on so where does the money comes from so these are the things that uneducated may not uneducated people may not even see it, then they will feel that oh this is the sweet in front of me and I would like to have it but they never think in depth or they do not have the ability to think in depth


to know that you know some of the measures are not even possible, so they are easily swayed by all these, promises by the political, parties they will not be able to think of the background things like certain things are really not do able, they they because they do not have the knowledge in terms of that uh but however educated people will be able to actually know that okay you promised these but come on we know that is not possible because uh


uh, but we are able to to come to this date because of the taxes that you collect okay uh for example you decrease your GST then that means you are going to increase my my taxes it's the same thing it's because it's a left right pocket kind of thing so, uh


this kind of thing only educated people will be able to understand whereby uneducated people, will not be able to they were just feel that okay I like this benefit because this party promise me this one and the person seems very friendly uh I think you know he he can understand how I feel uh he always come to my house and see me so you know I I think I want to vote him into the election but you know political is


politics is not all about you know uh only about all these, politics is actually about how they can actually uh, uh implement a measures that will benefit everyone not just come to your house or build a ramp for you and so on so only educated people will be able to have the knowledge and the mentality and the critical thinking to be able to decide who is the right


government, to take care of their country so I feel that only educate people have the right to vote in an election


okay, debate topic one


okay so for my point of stand ah I disagree uh my point is practical availability is also is important uh because eh okay basically


on the right now crisis I mean for things that is happening and the some of the work that in the working environment we are uh like everybody's working from home so if you have uh, those people who's been retrenched at this moment uh it's hard to find a job but on the other hand if they have practical abilities such as example cooking or baking so some people actually starts uh going on facebook going on social media


to actually using their skill to actually earn extra income so I would think that the world is becoming more and more competitive and uh some of the employer outsides are giving people job mainly because uh beside, been intellectually skills demonstrate in an exam uh they also looking at uh the staff whether the staff can have actually know how and problem solving ability which is like very practical thing which


uh social skill than to navigate them to because the world is different from outside ah so I think it's true even though yes we do have we do need a proper qualification but, also it does not automatically imply that uh that person will have good social skill so practical ability I think is still important over intellectual availability skill lah


K uh which is true but I would think that like thanks to the commercialisation of sports uh skills such as swimming footballs eh should been seen as a practical today, uh that's why we have swimmer like joseph schooling maybe you have a proper degree but uh putting the degree aside then he actually have won singapore's first ever olympic gold medal


I mean this is true hard works and , I think because uh through long hours of training so these are uh availability that uh through hard work then which degree will be put aside because uh, these are skills that he developed from young uh beside going to the


society to work so he might thinks that uh this is a skill that he can actually his passion and what he liked then uh he had actually achieve to be the singapore first ever olympic gold medal winner and are now is also one of the most respect figure in the country so uh on the other hand uh


there's another person and which is uh my son's uh bowling coach because uh my son is in uh school team so, uh when, I talked to the coach uh he doesn't have a proper degree but on the other hand but he has been playing bowling since young, so uh after that he went to go for uh qualified test then after that been hired by the school for their CCA and private coaching I think for these uh practical availability that he display then he can actually convert his


time to, his earning then uh, and, can earn a decent salary and uh also have the flexibility time to spend more time with his family so uh, I think practical a ability is uh in a certain way uh will help people in like uh with the time that you spend to do other than studying a a skill that you learn can be a swimming coach can be a uh


uh, badminton coach or even baking or instructor uh these are skills that, ultimately because we have a lot of uh nowadays I think on news article there is a lot of article showing that people who actually have gotten degree they actually uh came out to be hawker


then uh these are additional skills that uh ability that they have, achieved earlier maybe they like cooking but because of the society or during their youngers day so uh everybody will be around there will be telling them that is important you must have diploma to degree or this but after that when they actually join the society this might not be the thing they like but luckily throughout the


years they have actually learn other skills such as baking cooking, so ultimately they were thinking that okay I think it's time to stop and I will need to, do something that I like and can turn into, daily uh earning so I think I still agree that practical ability are also important


okay I do agree but uh on the other hand I think a lot of school uh is, putting in more vocations programme for practical activity uh skills that actually allowed students to develop their many skill uh this will definitely go hand in hand with uh intellectual skill so like you say I do agree uh !wah!


honey saver uh of course you need paper then after that whatever you study then you know how to use it but of course it's actually along the way where, now school is doing a lot of uh, practical activity to discover the children's uh because not all childrens are towards the academic part so some of the children uh they do have


are the talent uh, but this is the part where the instructors or the school teachers need to help to refine and develop their soft skills so ultimately practical activity were actually with all these activity integrated programme the they will actually help the students to actually develop


, things such as social skill uh mobile uh these uh motor skills and on top of that their availability to find out what they, actually like uh because, uh I, do things that not all the all the childrens will go through the academic way some really have to go through a big way because they are not really talented to study


so uh this is the practical uh availability that will can actually serve as a tool for them at least uh, like uh our IT today, these are the students uh unfortunately maybe they have not done well in school but the, ultimately maybe they are given other roads such as uh


many mechanical engineering so they learn a skill from there to actually be able to be out in the society to maybe repaired or work in the car mechanics or even the, err hairstylist so they they able to use their skill they're uh their practical ability to become a hairstylist and uh or share


or other skills but of course uh, this will ultimately served as a, earning for them and, with that the students will actually have two way lah because of the digital world today so uh or the other way ah okay maybe I'll give you another subject that is already have very popular in IT would be gaming


because our childrens I think more of the childrens nowaday have uh they don't communicate but they're always play so some of the play parents will be thinking that through the digital age right now they would let the kids okay why don't you go to IT you don't have to study you go to IT learn a skill and become a uh uh develop gaming programme


so through this uh learned way the students uh the opportunity to through the practical way learn problem solving communication skill or other way of learning they they they will, maybe the part of learning is easier when the teacher say but


some students just can't absorb in so they will need to go through a bigger way to do and they will realize that all of this doesn't work because they tried themselves so this is a practical activity uh ability which I think uh is important because these are not from the books


okay uh, but I think personally ah I do agree also but the thing is because uh practical skills are more for essential for survival uh intellectual skills are, paper so and ultimately what they learn uh I mean if if they're doctor they've studied all the way they then get a degree uh


proper certification okay then they will be a doctor but for those uh that is not uh going that route so uh practical skills are also important in the sense of because it's more uh because there is a lot of uh special needs uh kids around so so some parents


we know people students children's like uh having ADHD or those uh, autism these are people that will not be using intellectual skills because ultimately uh getting them to sit down or even going through a topic is always very difficult so these are practical ability will be like parents will be looking at


one day when the kids grow up what can they do uh what can they achieve uh how can they take care of themselves so, that's why there's a lot of parents were nowadays and actually with a lot of them coming out from the society today


uh anything when they they see a children like running around cannot focus parent will start to suspect eh is my kids are ADHD, so and during some test some people will say oh yeah this is a motor so a lot of way than uh focusing on study is important but not all kids so that's why practical skills are still essential for


uh, this type of cases and uh to get them to a be able to survive uh like okay like Hani say the yes uh there will be problem but the thing is uh maybe they might not be able to really


uh do all the problems solving themselves but uh they might have way too like okay if I have disorder I might not know how to do it at this point but the thing is uh maybe they through the, long terms or times that they have actually been practicing so these are their practical availability because they practice uh learning different types of cakes different type of pattern or whatever uh maybe they can actually tell the clients uh


or maybe they can actually say that okay this is what you want but uh I have other suggestion uh I can do this, maybe through the long term of practice uh they have other better way so, it's a two way traffic things against ah so I think uh


practical availability is uh important over intellectual skill


eh I think your clock is not moving, another host <mandarin>不见掉:bu jian diao</mandarin> leh, !hannor! <mandarin>他不见掉:ta bu jian diao</mandarin> leh, !hannor! <mandarin>那个:na ge</mandarin> clock <mandarin>没有走到:mei you zou dao</mandarin> eh


eh the clock is not moving


cannot hear you, oh, ya okay it's just moving now okay, can, okay uh my personal felt about uh the words failure should never


be used in education as education is made compulsory for everyone, uh okay, okay okay, okay so I will start again ah okay okay


so I personally felt that the words failure shall never be used in education, as education is made compulsory for everyone as it is fundamental humans right then it helps to improve skills and knowledge uh to all the students so ultimately when they get out uh of educations ah when you go out to work is to gain employment


but so whereas the worst failure refers to inability to achieve goal or making them feel that their incompetent of what they are doing, so I think should not be used


okay uh but I for my point the purpose of education is to provide ideas knowledge experience to all the students the world failure should not be used at all instant


this is because the word failure will have different impact to everyone, uh different students will take it differently some student might take it lightly because like you say the I do agree they felt that motivated oh maybe I'm not doing well I'll be motivated to do better but some students have actually tried because of the incapability because maybe they have uh learning disability


so no matter how well they do or how hard they study it seems to decrease what uh the students in low made them feel very low self instinct, so one when one students wants to do well they desire to learn uh it will make them feel that I don't have the capability to the to do it well why my friend is doing it well when they only received like failure so


they will not be able to focus and, with that they feel they are unwilling to take risks because they scared that if they try this try that they are not able to do it so now uh with the words failure it will actually impact their the students self instinct which not only impact the students in terms of education


it will also impact them in their daily life so when they lost, some students along the way as some, go by they will see other people doing better but they are always in the fear mood so they always they will fail to try they will be be very, uh scared to take even their own judgment because they have the peer pressure so ultimately these will actually affect their growing up so I think failure shall never be used in education


okay uh I do agree uh in a certain way but uh it depends on that individual


because ah some people I mean different people have taken the word fear fear of failure in is a different prospect but ultimately this will be uh very dis encouraging, uh also will create a sense of fear and uncertainty to certain students uh especially depending on what age they face the word failure uh


of course the younger they are they might not know but as long as they go along uh that's why counsellors are being assigned to school because uh there is still, quite a lot of uh students or even parents that can never handle the word failure so some parents uh ultimately refer when they see the results some parents


so overreaction will like eh I've given you tuition I've given you these why are you still not doing so well but ultimately they does not know that whatever they say have actually bring a big impact to their child so this will cause uh students to


feel very uh it will eaten away their own self confident , I do have a a friend who actually told me that uh her niece is going through PSLE right now but because of the of the stress and I think afraid to fail or because of the PSLE and uh of course every students or every parents do have some goal in mind so


it's because of the fear of fear to do so fear to get there fear to not able to produce that result they want uh they tends to be worried and uh ultimately will of course impact their focus and uh resulted in


uh, like one day ago CNA news uh they say, our twenty years old suicide case is the highest in singapore ah for this time round okay because uh this might not because I I will not say


all the cases okay but it might be some of the cases that it's from young because uh they say the number of suicide in singapore for those aged in their twenty remains the highest last year compared to other age group okay because uh, uh that could be a lot of reason that resulted in suicide but the thing is uh suicide and the ultimately is because it's actually


built on so there could be things that they have failed in life uh they could they can fear in their result they can, fear in, uh what they have, planned to do uh like okay it just example, so a students who actually work very hard


because they want to be uh the parents hope, kids to be a doctor so the kids couldn't do, do it and they felt that, they failed to meet their parents uh uh proud so the the kids will be very low sell instinct because they're will always be in a shadow that they are not able to achieve what


uh their, parents goal or their own goal so ultimately when the words fear comes to them F or failure they cannot, they cannot overcome it it become a very bigger fear ultimately some children or some people choose to go suicide


because they have, not know how to actually overcome, uh fear uh failure so I think my conclusion is word failure should not be used in their education because it will affect, every age of, growing up


okay if uh I do agree by thank you for sharing experience because I think it's important because ah, uh there's this different type of people, uh so there's one type of people who like you uh who've actually


think, it's a wake up call but there will be other people who, actually felt that, psychologically becomes uh, a very important thing because uh they felt failure make them totally demoralized and how impact in one life and


uh it must be that's uh way that we must uh cultivate or impact to the students to let them know, failure is okay but not all students can accept it because uh unfortunately the today I felt because uh I do agree on the parenting part that uh because of the parent


a failure from, parents uh fear of failure can transmit from parents to children which ultimately is very upset because the the parents scared the children feel so the parents scared but the children become double scared


so this will impact the children oh, whenever they do a test they were like okay that's why when you there are lot of children when they ask them how's your paper today they will say yes no problem, because they want to let the parents feel confident but ultimately maybe when they take back the paper they feel very stress very scared because they are they are not sure whether I got fifteen out of twenty is it okay for my parents or is it eighteen out of twenty so that's why uh


the word failure uh personally I felt is actually, not, uh I disagree to use it in education uh because ultimately it can be painful it can be a very big price for for the children because if they themselves don't know how to overcome this totally from negative to positive


then uh it will affect them a lot in their growing because some of them don't know how to actually voice it out so they don't know and they don't have uh encouragement from people around to tell them that eh fifteen out of twenty is very good you can strike for sixteen first or seventeen, but some parents will just say no is no good you know even you do fifteen is no good so it's still


it depends on the parenting and the school education because uh they should actually help them to, close the emotional own and make them felt that uh, failure shall not be be used, I felt okay


okay uh my point is , I felt, that everyone whether educated or not educated should be, have should have the right to vote


uh because I also felt that you should be every citizen should have the, uh, to be allowed to vote because uh, by voting they go by, deciding is a human nature to vote for the party one thing, that can bring out benefit okay so every citizen uh whether educated or not as long as it's a citizen uh up to a certain age should be given should be given a say in deciding the country leaders uh and I think


it's important the government needs the support from all citizens not just the educated because uh because from our olden day okay cause even our olden day uh right now based on the recent GE, err, for the Merdeka or even the pioneer, even they are not very educated people but they do appreciate what the government are doing for them because they actually some are even older than fifty five years old which singapore is fifty five this year so but these are the people who support the nation because they felt that uh our


previous uh minister mister lee, have actually done, all his way to actually build singapore today, so, the younger younger generation will be the one who decide that okay who I should vote for I will go by effects not by popularity okay so these are the people who actually I think everybody should have the right because ah they will take the stake in deciding who


uh the decision makings of our leaders, so I think I disagree uh only educated people should have, the right to vote


okay, my stands are still stands uh every citizen should have given the right, to vote because they can decides on their decisions of their leader, furthermore uh I felt been educated does not necessary means one is politically aware of what's happening or will make fair or objective decision because some educated people does not follow because they are busy with their lifestyle and some of the educated people who


uh who are interested in some other thing by not might not be interested in politic so even you give them the chance to vote they will not know who to vote because they are not following what's happening in singapore so uh and


I felt the government needs, the support of all citizen in order to implement initiative and policy to make it smoothly and effectively so I think, government will need to hear and vote and listens to the older generation younger generation irregardless whether they're educated so because every votes do count so it's not by uh who should vote and end of the day actually


because in a district like example uh let's say Bedok is actually a older district but I would say maybe uh fifty sixty percent of people who living there, are older people so they might not be educated so that means that doesn't means that we only allowed the thirty forty percents that's educated to vote because that district could make out ten thousand people but only allow four thousand


to vote, so what happen to the six thousands people, it should be given a fair chance to everybody so everybody can vote and by choosing, the, by given the chance to vote they will then be able to err implement the initiative and make sure everything's they vote there is everybody agree that okay it will goes to the government it go to one party and everybody is a majority thing so everybody status okay lah okay lah my my district okay it's seventy three percent wants to somebody else


and we do all agree because it's seventy three percent actually goes to that, party, so I do thinks that, uh not only educated people should go for the vote


okay I do agree with your point, uh but, people who's not educated maybe they are not able to read newspaper but they will be able to follow rally listens to news, and , maybe there's one cases that uh was brought out during this, election uh this person's actually shared her experience she is from one of the district okay she has been actually she's not educated but she has been actually uh


always speaking to the past uh, party that is actually working on the district ah so she had been feedback to them because she's on wheelchair, so she has been always uh telling the


party that uh there's a ramp, then uh when she's on the wheelchair she's unable to actually go through that ramp because it's too high so the respective party whose actually ruling the area say that they will take action they will take action they will take action so ultimately when come the election


she managed to speak to the other party, so between days ah, the the other party managed to speak to LTA speak to, , anybody okay so all the government body to actually help and between five day they actually smoothen that ramp, so uh even she's not educated but she I think she has the right to vote because she felt that whatever she say


uh it will bring a benefit because it implements the, policy because ultimately she it's a two ways two three ways relationship so I think it's a stake for everybody to an opportunity for everybody to vote because she has the right to see, uh


who should take over her district because it's a human nature to, human rights to vote, so I means even they you could say because they actually choose by their colour choose by what the neighbour say but I would think people at, that, not educated age


will have their, sensors to feel who they should vote for ya could be because , our party has been giving us a lot of money but the thing is they could be thinking that this trick this trick could be maybe these people they are not really working why should I still vote for them I should've give give the other party a chance because things are not working well in my district so it's time that we change the the team here


uh to see if the new teams uh we can give a new team opportunity because I felt when I talk to not educated people older people or younger people , they are people who are actually uh observing how their district is being taken care of and they will make the necessary of fair


decision to say okay I think my district my MP is doing very well every time I approach there I mean I don't want to say many times they they can solve it but they're always there to help then they will make sure we continue to vote for them, but they'll be district when people actually went to approach their MP there they'll be MP that say yes yes yes not and not but it will never be done


so ultimately these people will be the one that saying I've been approaching but they always say yes but it's always a no because there's no reaction there's no thing done nothing was will be done that kind of thing because they don't know how to write email mah so but at least I go face to face already it's the personal touch but my things uh my request is still not done


so it's uh not I think a lot of people when they actually go and find the MP they are just getting help, even uh by listening ultimately give them some solution or direct them to the relevant department and I think this is what the citizen our citizens need and not okay of course if you can help us help to solve what the problem is that will be good but I think everybody will do have the right ah to actually vote in the election


, part one debate topic one


okay


okay so okay, I think that human need should always be the main cause of scientific research because, , when it comes down to weight our like


what our what our priorities on, like, on earth I guess, and , profit always brings about inequality and, more often than not people exploit that profit


when they become, reach to a certain point where they can have power over everyone else, and when we look at the state over we live in now, it's not the best but ya is not the worst as well


but that's because we also have people that are leading that portion of , prioritizing human needs so, why I think that human needs should be the priority, is that it's because after all


we should be prioritizing ourselves and prioritizing our, the life of, the the human life basically, but, I would like to hear like from the opposition view, as well


okay , but when it comes down to it like, don't you think that human needs should be more important than profiting and I I hear that you said


profit is something that motivates people, is is ya that's that's your point right, ya that motivates people to I guess work harder for like scientific advancements, but


when profit is, the main concern of that scientific research, wouldn't it mean that they might exploit the system, to, steer it in a certain way where it's more profit driven, for example when we talk about I guess like maybe in this COVID pandemic we can talk about like selling masks so


maybe selling masks like, the basic requirement of it is I think three ply right and there's a basically basic , requirement for a mask to even be sold in the first place but sometimes we like businesses tend to


exploit these need and push out, things like or uh different designs different , different variations but, like there wouldn't be a point for that and, we will all end up


buying things that we don't need if you get if you get, my point and, this all comes around in a circle because I feel that, , by selling this type of products we, tend to encourage people to give in to their need I mean to give in to their wants things like like unnecessary things like designs


so I think that, human needs should always be the main concern, for that like particular like for any scientific research


okay understand , phoronomy then my thoughts together


actually I, don't exactly have, anything to say to that


but ya okay, you wanna start first okay


okay uh I guess I'll start first lah, uh ya sorry, so, like, what I mention about exploiting the prices and the profits so I can sight, a twenty fourteen report published by the tough centre of the study of drug development apex the cost of developing a prescription drug that gains market approval at two point six billion


if one hundred and forty five per cent increase over the estimate the centre made in two thousand and three, due to the fact that ninety percent of medicines that start being tested in clinical trials failed to reach the market because they are unsafe or ineffective this figure includes the cost not only of these failures but also not but also of not putting the money spent into something that will give a more reliable return so essentially my point is that


, in order to drive profit they have, exploited the need, for people to have this job, and, for people to have this medicine this prescription drug


and, they could have used that amount of money to put it into greater use for example maybe , having maybe like lesser side effects I'm not too sure on like, the context of the drug but


what I know is that they could have used that money to actually put it into, something that gives a more reliable return, the others that's one of the examples, ya I have


is a tough center for the study of drug development, CSDD


(hmm)


okay so I understand okay ya done , so uh I just want to like I just want to confirm that your point is basically that profit is should be the key


driver to , any motivation, I I would say, ya so meaning, meaning that profit should


basically push someone to, go greater heights right, okay, I guess in that sense , I guess in that sense, advancement technological advancements and


scientific research is still pushed, when you used when you use profit as the main motivation factor, but, I was thinking from the consumer point of view like I'm now thinking from the consumer point of view what if I needed something like for example I needed a a a medicine for


let's say my diabetes, and maybe I need to have some surgery, so in that case, should profits still be the main, the main factor


okay, but would you agree that in that case , the government is actually sort of, supporting the human needs side rather than, I guess the government would be pushing the human needs to a more


prioritize level and, while also having profits for the private institutions that's what you're saying


okay but okay ya, understand so actually it goes one full circle in which when, in order to push human needs, in order to push human needs


sorry uh sorry in order to prioritise human need we also need to prioritise profit as well in in for for it to have for people to have motivation in the scientific research centres, and I guess in a way either way


we still benefit from it, whether or not it's, profit-driven ya but, yeah that concludes my


part two debate topic two


okay, right so I will start off, , so I agree that technology has had a negative impact on the skill levels of people but, I would like to point out that it also depends on which scale we are talking about


so in terms of things like maybe, uh skills in, farming let's say, farming or, being more fit, or, being able to operate, let's say uh uh an airplane


or even a car so those skills are actually negatively impacted but there's also the positive sides which are like things like we are now able to


you know use photo editing softwares video editing softwares and we are able to, learn more and, we able to use these skills to advance further in terms of our you know earths, advancement so


why I say that , our skills are negatively impacted, for driving or piloting is cause there are things like you know auto-park features already and there's also autopilot as well, and, there there are there are machines factories and everything taking over


you know people skills, in the in the past we were, everyone needed to do labor like everything was , based on your skill and your your your, how much you are able to do labor but now everything is digitalized


but, ya I think overall technology, has had, more of a negative impact on our skills rather than positive


, okay I see what you I see where you're coming from, but (ppc), when it comes down to it when we use things that depend on technology, things like , you would say uh you could hone your skills in terms of in a video game like your reaction skills your reaction timing


the way you strategize, but when you actually come, to to to realize situation and you actually do it do you think that , technology actually pulls us back


and like for example, if you play a game like let's say it's call of duty, you wouldn't say that you know you are ready for, a war now or an actual gun fight


like that's that's just an example and I would say also maybe like a simulation like an operation let's say so that I I I know that now there is there are like simulations for operations so they get people more comfortable


and more, used to operating, and have lesser risk I guess, but at the same time, we kind of let, ourselves fall back into that


, the realm of technology and like fall back into it, so wouldn't you say that it technology kind of pulls back and lowers our actual skill levels


but I guess in that sense, it means that our skill levels have been deteriorated, and lowered, , and okay I I'll I would like to bring up an example, so, for example speedo