okay so ya , it's okay with education with enough education and, time singapore will get there, I am my argument


but the heritage sites has lost their relevance, okay so on the proposition side, okay so yes I do agree that culture and heritage site


sites have lost their relevance especially in our current, society and day and age, so I think one important thing that we that we want to focus on is the the facet of like relevance instead of the significance of these site okay I like we have to respect that the fact that all these places this all these sites these heritage


sites and cultural sites, all all carry the carry a significant amount of significance with them you know they all represent like a period of time of the country and the culture so I think that's something that we all have to that we, ya even as we like go and argue about it ya so


ya so I don't think that they have started to lose their relevance in our society and I think this is genuinely because our our generation is just not interested in any of these and uh we are really a very lazy generation


in all honesty not lazy but I guess these these are things that that are not in the, interest of most of us or at least we are not, the type of for most of us we're not the type of people who will go and read into like the culture of all these places


okay so okay although all these places are really beautiful like they're super scenic and like, have a lot of historical value you know they are full of great uh significance sadly they are they're always really uh photo worthy or instagrammable so that kind of discounts of entire value of


the the entire historical value of these places because many young people normally just go to these spaces so that they can uh say that they have been there and or even grab a picture about they're there you know and that's really sad because it really just discounts the whole the whole beauty of going to that place you know


when you go to these places because you like to experience whatever this , to like properly, uh encapsulate whatever like uh the culture is or whatever this place represents but you know like a lot of a lot of our young people they are they they just they just going to these places because they look nice or or because it's a


really popular destination this was what I've was this was really, uh what I saw especially when I was in italy a few a few months ago cause I went in for tour group and then , like we are at the colosseum you know and then there were so many there were a lot of kids or like people around my age or like teenagers you know while while the while the guy was sharing the history of this places you know and like there's this so much depth and there's so much value behind all these places it's amazing but


you know our I a lot of times I just saw a lot of them just just going there to take the picture or using their phone while the tour guide was talking and that was really sad to see and you know what that just kind of uh depicts the, the, this whole debate topic you know that yes that these sites are losing their relevance especially in our society because you know like


ya they are no longer relevant to us because they are not being there for their for their intended historical uh value or their intended purpose you know but it's, is all being discounted due to like the pure lack of interest or even my say that is like laziness of our generation people


ya , ya I think there's a lot of truth in that, that , that is I don't think the relevance is completely lost cause there are there are still a handful of people who do find who do see a value in this, places and and, ya like it it does it does it is relevant in a sense uh especially in like religion because


religion is ultimately like a historical thing you know some is, normally religion is are things like date back to so to so long ago you know and because of these cultural and heritage sites you know that that this, these sites have to instill like your religion or even your faith in this place


in these in these like things ya, but I guess if you look at it in the in the wider picture like cause right now you're just focusing on, on ya just like people as a whole like ya just like a handful of people but I guess if you are going to look at the bigger picture and we are going to think about like the economy and whatever the government is doing right now I think that it is losing the relevance cause of the widespread modernisation


because I mean look at it now I mean singapore does have a few laws implemented to which like protect these heritage sites so ya in a sense, they aren't completely losing the relevance because these places still uh have some form of relevance into our lives like for example the kranji camp you know like this like war memorials all these types of places you know these act as reminder that of the history that singapore has went through or


it act as reminders of like of why we should not like, like why war is like the sad reality of what war is you know and how many lives it has cost you know like this ultimately these places act as reminder for for things you know yes that is relevant but I guess if ya in the the sad reality of all of this


is that because of widespread modernisation nobody really cares all of that you know like our we have to accept the fact that our society, is is always volatile it's always changing you know and we are always looking to to get the best technology always aiming to


to build new stuff and like, ya like modernise everything so that's why so many of these cultural and heritage sites are being taken down or being dismantled and being taken over by uh built over by for example like an MRT station or even a new skyscraper new buildings that is and so sad to think


but it's the sad truth of all of these that that uh you know yes these things, these sites used to have a purpose and significance in whichever country but we have to the government for most governments they would have to think of what is present and what is the future


you know they have to realise that okay the past is the past like this things have happened these thing have serve their significance but it's time to to grow up out of this you know and bring something new to this nation, so ya I guess like that's where in a sense it lose it loses its relevance because for example like


I can't really think of like a proper example, oh sorry but like , cause maybe some of these sites, like the like the thing that they signify are no longer like relevant in our current, day and age so I would love I would like to say okay but


sadly enough there is still a thing that's happening but but you get my point right and like sometimes these are things in the past you know like, ya ya so


okay so, ya I guess, in singapore uh, ya there's a lot of this sort of places which have assimilated, or incorporated like modern techniques into


keeping this place relevant which I, uh love our country, which is great I love it this is like ya I think there has to be some form of uh compromise you know that like ultimately these, these are sites and these are places of value of great historic values you know and once you get rid of them they can never ever come back or you can never uh replicate the same


the same significance it has, once it it once had you know, so I think it's really important for every country to to maintain to or to at least keep, these things in their countries instead of demolishing them and having them lose their relevance, so I guess there are there are many ways to revive ya to like revive these places so that they they do keep their relevance but


ya so ya like whatever you said like keeping this place modern so you are it's actually keeping the places alive but the things that are going on in there I guess can can kind of change, so you're kind of sitting on the fence on it so, ya so I think


it's a good point, ya but, I guess to a certain extent we also have to realise that that not all these places can, uh last forever because ya this place do get old these places do get old but I mean


look at look at like the colosseum all these type of places there are still standing after so so long for and it is the colosseum has been through like like like entire war you know that's insane so ya I mean it is possible and


there there plenty of there there there are really plenty of people who are, are willing to read up about these places, and and let these places you know remain relevant but, ya I guess I mean if you you need to think about the generation that is going to take over us


at the end of the day , like cause we will never know what's going to happen in, next few years what if what if like racism gets abolished, you know in for example the next two two three years you know like racism gets abolished uh or like or poverty and all this sort of things like just get completely eradicated from our from our society as a whole you know then then in ten years time these places will


eventually lose their relevance because these are not, these are not issues that are happening in their time or in their generation, so I guess ultimately in a sense all these places, kind of to, lose their relevance but let's be real that uh these things are difficult to to get rid of or at least difficult to eradicate you know like or they will never ever be eradicated genuinely just because of human nature and human nature is


extremely selfish in, by itself so, ya I guess this is a sad truth that we kinda have to swallow that that ya that , humans will just remain the same forever


what, okay, correct ya (mmhmm)


the progress of a society is best reflected through the arts okay, so on a proposition side, yes that the progress of a society is best reflect best reflect


through the arts , I guess, there are many ways that we can see the progress of a of a society they can be seen through like economic progression or uh or, I don't know maybe just the diversity you see


ya but I think the arts is a very is a really good way to to see, the reflection of a society okay the arts is ultimately a multifaceted platform ranging from music paintings or literature or even like dance you know there's so many ways that art is


art can be branched out to, and ya in a sense that that because there are so many ways to express uh this like these art forms you know uh they're it ultimately shows that like this art like uh how to say, like uh the arts is the way the artist expresses their emotions or ultimately like uh whatever is going on in the society and I think that is a really great way to to see what is going on


okay so art has always been a good reflection of history uh as we can see through if you go to places like historical art museums you know you, you see antique paintings uh that are displayed you know when you see different forms of like art or ya of paintings in general you know like like sometimes these paintings are expressions of the painter and they reflect whatever that they're going through or like whatever's going through in the society you know there are so many paintings of


or for example just like uh poverty that is going on or like or even , like uh the famine that's being going on you know or like different forms of like executions which is really sad but ya in a sense it does show it is a reflection of whatever is going through in the society at that point of time so uh I would like to to uh give an example of even like hip-hop culture


because hip-hop culture has been is a really diverse and, uh great platform to show the whole , how to say, it's been a really great platform for many rappers to uh to express their views or even whatever they've been going through in and how they've been treated like in the society so if you going to if you going to look at uh if you listen to to like raps from uh people like like tupac shakur or like like BIG or G herbor even like eminem


you know like these people like most most of their raps, uh or even okay, mostly like their original ones when they first started out you know like like most of their their raps okay apart from talking about like sex and drugs and all that sort of things, they normally usually they normally really do like rap from the heart you know they they rap about like or they or they do sort of tell a story from the music that they produce you know like it comes from it comes from a heart it comes from a place of of like of uh how of how they've been like


oppressed or how they've been treated by the police or you know what's been going on society and I think that's really a great reflection of of how they've been treated and ultimately shows how the society has progressed you know like like that the society is still in the state of


of, of ultimately yes racism that's still going on, and if you also want to think about it like even the blues okay like the whole err ya this whole music music genre of the blues which it it was I think if I'm not wrong it was created after the


american civil, war I'm not, I'm not sure but I know it had it, it was created after, a like a really tough time, you know like that whole genre of music is okay as nice as as it does sound it comes from a really sad place you know like it was a really sad time for many of those for those artists you know like a lot of the music was kind of based off just like feeling sad ya that's why it's called the blues you know


they were in a very in a really sad state of life you know, and so ya it does help to reflect the


ya I agree that there's many ways for there's many ways to reflect the progress of a society, ya like economical or even just like ah true the economy or even a progress in their, science and some things, ya these are definitely all great ways to see


to reflect the progress of a society but I guess , yes like I want going to go back to my first to my argument in the first debate that where like how art is such like is a universal thing you know it can be interpreted by so many people easily


I mean with the correct in the correct, light then yes, the arts can be interpreted, or in a very compact form so I guess, but I do still stand like that like it is one of the best ways to see the progress of the society because


like ultimately like the artists are the people who, how to say, they have that that liberty to to show the the actual truth of what's going on you know cause many times like whatever you are going to see on like like in terms of like economy or whatever you're seeing on like on the screen or this type of things like for example like the stock market or even like like what like the progress of science


you know like sometimes there's been many instances where these things have just been like, have like like there are many times where these things have just been like, polarize because like ultimately is a country does want to show that that yes they are doing well in this they are doing well economically they doing well in in their science or these sort of thing and ya technology and so that is a bit dangerous because like


it is controlled by the government or or whoever is producing the media and so that is dangerous because like they they can ultimately just censor whatever they don't want the other people to see you know and that and that like doesn't show you the real reflection of what's going on in the society


so I guess if you think about the in in the sense of arts you know that like, artist most of the time they do not have any they do not have like uh biased judgement or anything or I mean most of time they do I guess to drive at the point that they want to get across with but you know that these people are liberals you know like these people who


like they're using these, they're using their art form as a way to to accurately depict what they are experiencing you know and ultimately these are people of a society and these are the type of this is the information that you want to get, uh like these are the people that you want to get the information from you know like people of the society like I mean there is a difference like for example if you ask me to ask okay how how well is singapore if I were to ask for example like our prime minister okay how


uh the prime minister versus , and not like, uh for example one of my friends or like or if I interview like ten other singaporeans you know like I think there'll be a stark contrast because uh okay but I mean our prime minister is great like honestly so uh but I mean


there are different ways that they have to portray their nation and and I guess for people of the society you know and that can include like the ya the artist that produce like this like like the art you know like that gives that gives you a more uh real and like raw sense of the progression of the society


ya there there's ya there's truth in that, ya that is cause ya I guess that's more evident in like the asian countries where art isn't the most, isn't the most uh relevant form of expression or


or isn't like our main sense of pride I guess cause in like a lot asian countries we are we always take a lot of pride in like okay yes we made the most money this year or or like oh my gosh our economy is doing so well we found the cure to this


disease, ya so ya I guess this that that's at at like more relevant and , more in more societies I guess cause ya every every society would love to do well economically like in terms of like diversity and progression in like


so that's more of the ya the arts the progress in the arts sense ya like, I guess that's that's more of the new age media type of thing where where we are slowly seeing more of that which is nice, ya but I guess we can also kind of see that in like history cause like last time when we uh when we took elect history there was a lot of those like


like, uh ya there're a lot of those purpose questions that they'll give you a picture of like what what's going on and this sort of things and ya those those uh advertisement kind of give you depiction of or reflection of whatever what is going through in the society at that point of time


so ya I guess that like I could I can't expect the arts to to be able to reflect every aspect of the progress of our society because I think it is impossible because I can't expect the arts to show, I mean there is that there's a way to it but ya I can't expect the arts to to show me the progress in like the in like the science industry of a country so ya I mean there are different ways to show the different progress that the different progression in a society


but ya I but I think the arts is is also, so it's also one way lah, like it's also a really good way like for example for example if you're going to talk about, uh gender diversity and these sort of things we are seeing so many more like female rappers rise up I'm so sorry I I I talk I talk a lot about music but ya I think it's a really relevant uh topic but ya we are seeing so many more


female rappers rise up in this whole industry like from from being, like uh from woman being objects that people would that most man would rap about to becoming like the the people who kind of run the industry a bit more you know it's really great to see like progression in that sense yes there is more uh there's more there is a increase like openness


to this, to ya different genders coming up or like not different genders, yes to uh uh taking away just like ya this whole uh factor of just , like feminism and the sort I don't know if I'm using the terms correctly but yes you know like ya we are seeing a lot of progression in that or even they can even it can even come into the sense of like ya like like racial racial progression


ya we see like more for example like more white rappers or, ya you know


okay , yup, , oh oh part eh oh ya part one debate topic one


wait so, we need to say debate topic first what uh arts can bring about positive social change today, ya okay


ya ya


okay so , for me I believe that okay arts uh do not bring about uh social change you know, in today arts can range from many different kind, or forms uh such as music you know uh painting and even


uh writing up a book so I think, since I'm on the side you know that arts do not bring a positive social change today is because I think one of the reasons uh is that, the true art I think firstly you need to understand a lot of what's going behind you know the scenes of uh the artist itself sometimes the artist can bring about different


different meanings toward art and it can be obviously uh been misjudged by a lot of other people and when they are being misinterpreted by other people uh generally it will it can cause you know uh a lot social repercussions you know for example you know uh


a a regular painting you know of a guy just sitting in the room and some people can interpret it as depression and something like that and I think that just blows up you know the whole scale of art itself I think more importantly is that obviously that in and in this way you know it doesn't bring


you know social change you know it just encourages people you know to even uh delve and you know dig, way deeper into what the context is about art and generally I I feel that there are of course other ways you know to express you know your emotions there are other ways to express


the change that you are experiencing right now generally art itself is a very sophisticated thing you would need to bring about a lot of education in and you need to answer the context behind like I said before and


I think I also want to talk touch on the topic about songs itself I think there are many instances in society whereby , whereby many , you know uh killers and rapist or whatever okay they have taken into account you know and and like completely remove the essence of a song you know and and interpret it as their own and this has you know uh provided you know such a negative change you know


especially in in the actions that they do I think it's really important that you know generally that, my point being again that, we should you know be, more we should be careful about the things that we do especially you know arts you know can come


in different forms as well, and as as well as writing writing is just I feel it is, I just feel that it can come in a different expression and generally in singapore we don't really have a good command of english I feel that it's totally the wrong the wrong one the wronger like wrong way


to go about writing a piece of work and especially like it has been, super it it generally like for example my example of uh <P1>naomi neo</P1> she has produced a lot of weird books and it has been really downplayed by a lot of mega youtubers such as <P1>dee kosh</P1> and stuff like that so


I think this all the more you know this brings out a bit more of you know other people's if I would say like uh savage side it will cost other people to hate on one another and I think generally in singapore , yes arts is not a very good thing especially in terms of writing because it only breeds more hate and it would only breeds more distrust around others because there are many varying views


you know in the singapore that we have okay, I'm done


yes pretty much right


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ya


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okay ya, I think , I think I will agree like to a certain extent like yes like art like can come in many you know different languages and yes it helps to raise awareness and everything, but of course like I feel generally is generally talking about you know other parts of the world like I think like you said before like our society is a bit you know like


a bit closed off in like yes the expression of art that we can use in our society and that's something that I I had to agree on but I think if you want to bring it back to context about singapore , because, okay can I say anything about the government okay but okay


never mind no I'm just kidding okay but anyways I'm just saying that like ya since there so much things that we can't do in singapore especially, ya like you know voice out even opinions I think this will come as uh like a really huge backlash on like the artist like you know I I think it it's not going to cause you know such a positive you know


change in the in singapore in fact it will cause such a negative change because so many people are like close minded and like have tunnel vision and you know people are just going to be like super shut off from the things that you know that art can bring about and I I have to agree that yes art is like amazing thing


but I just that I feel that you know our country is really not ready for it to receive yet uh ya so ya ya our country ya is generally not really ready to receive it yet you know in in such a form like this I think it definitely needs to take


a few more you know years you know till like when our generation probably can appreciate a bit more of like the art scene and and whereby you know we're aware you know of the things that are happening around so that we can you know channel into art and


I think I'm going to touch a bit on like how it won't bring a positive change in singapore especially uh I think generally also as you can see people generally look down on arts people in singapore like they think that might probably my parents that think that art is like you know half useful


it's not really that great and like you know if like if let's say everybody you know has this mindset in singapore it's going to be really hard you know for for it to bring a change in singapore even a positive one to say in fact because of this you know they can't take it that art is like useless


arts won't doing anything it is going to be very hard you know for the people you know to understand like what the message you trying to drive across like even the comics it has to be like the comics in singapore have to be like they put like the english down there for us to understand the jokes so


so I think ya obviously like ya singapore really need to take some time to like ya I don't know right what do you think


yup, ya


ya correct, ya correct ya


ya like now like I could agree that cause I nowadays like there are so many like smaller youtubers no longer like, you know those like regular youtubers like generally there are like one or two more you know popular youtubers coming up and and like I were to say ya like you know in in a way like they have you know express you know their opinions some more you know and even like look at like the the latest infographic


like you know even look at that like you know people are like you know now people are like campaigning or drawing art you know and like even using like instagram filters so that even like say that !hey! okay we are not like non-essential !hey! we're not


we are not like this so I think ya in a way like ya ya we are definitely progressing so I think there are something that you know we could like start on in the future but definitely like ya so I think, pretty much ah ya


like ya I mean uh of course like I I would have to say like especially like you know those other oppressed countries, like if if you didn't know like singapore is like one of like, you know like their media is not really allowed you know in singapore a lot a lot of like stuff is not allowed and we are like one of like the like lowest countries that actually allow media so like you know likewise you know other uh countries that oppress you know that like like china and russia you know they are unable to express their own


harder for them so as, you to bring you know, a change you know but of course like in the future like I think it's definitely possible but you need to be careful about you know the repercussions of it because you know some people may start you know rioting and stuff like that and it's not generally very good for country cause ya we know how all that


you know that riots that came before in twenty-twelve, that happened lah but that was not due to arts but I could foresee it happening because you know our generation is generally very outspoken in everything


ya , , pretty much lah ya, do we have to use all the time , okay ya so ya I guess I agree with that


yes , okay


okay, cultural and heritage sites have lost their relevance


okay, ya uh, ya I think ya I would agree like ya like our generation people generally doesn't care about like about these like cultural sites you know cause you know we are more interested in uh in other things like you know technology and you know what's going on on


instagram or what is the next news or next topic that we can talk about and debate you know if I think ya that's like a valid point however I I for for myself I think that generally not only just teenagers but actually a


wide you know spectrum of us you know actually actually appreciate you know this cultural and heritage sites and therefore they have not lost their relevance ya I think such examples in singapore uh like for example there's like this , I think it's called the Peranakan museum I don't know if you have heard but uh I think it it it generally you know helps to uh link you know the older generation the new and the new generation you know together and you will have some some sort of common


understanding you know on what went on you know in in in the previous in in the past you know I think also it it it helps to promote you know and helps to, encapsulate you know the emotions of the of the older generation like my grandparents like they'll be able to relate so well they'll be able to you know hear so much story for them I think one from myself you know I think uh I totally enjoy the stories that they used to tell us you know about you know


even world war two even like you know fort canning park or whatever and and I think that there's something that that is generally, very , great you know when when I visit my grandparents you know they are able you know when when we bring back when we bring them on this cultural site visits you know, they are able you know to tell us


you know the many different stories that they able to tell us you know how was was it used or whether like you know cultural sites has some, has some you know problem in like interpreting this item you know sometimes they are wrong then like my grandparents tell me it's like it's wrong you know some stuff like that and I think especially


in like any sort of religion okay, chrisitanity okay like generally it has you know a lot of relevance like there a lot of like, historical areas that you can see like , the past times, where where are they where they are able to uncover you know some portions of


like Jericho or something like that like they generally have you know uh, uh relevance they able to tell you know a story that that last you know for different generation, I think especially in like, greece or something I think Athens or, greece is like the most historical place like and


most amount of historical sites that a war has like it has so much history you know embedded into it I think that is something that you know, I think I for I myself would be super interested in, I think it carries a lot of it it it carries a lot of story behind it and it able you to put you know


the where, you know the parts of this you know in our world we are able to relate you know with, the older time people, like how would they like you know come out with such a god like this how how are they suppose to come up with the, olympics you know we're able to see you know their thought process we are able to see their culture behind all this


sites and I think that's amazing, they obviously have not lost their relevance in my, opinion because I think that there are people you know out there who are still interested like even people for like even other other friends of mine like you know when when you know like our age people they always do like nonsense social


searching all that nonsense right, then they want to find like some they want to like find, okay let's let's take religion for example okay they want to find like okay who is you know who is this god or whoever who is this like muhammad ali where where did buddha come from they can straight away you know go on to the internet they can straight away go to that cultural sites you know and actually experience that for themselves they're


actually able to understand you know uh how did it did this religion came about you know I'm pretty sure that, the the sites you know where the religion came about where like buddha, sat on some tree and like where , noah stood or like olive olive mountain you know ah they're able you know to capture the essence of what went on there they able to understand


what it came from and I think that is super relevant for those people who want to do like a bit a little bit of soul searching, I think that you know that's important to them you know and I think nowadays like even, in my group of friends there are still like people who are still interested in this kind


things like especially I think the world war two back when I was like, secondary school I was super interested I wanted to go to auschwitz camp or whatever to go and see like you know all the people like in their gas tank or something ya so I think generally as of now even like, some of my you know younger friends


that they are generally wanting to know more about this and they they hope you know to see, in the future when they, go to germany that they want to see, you know how it went how, it went down they want to see, like they're not just interested about you know , like science itself or whatever that's going on or like life matter or whatever


you know they they want to see something that is real I think that is relevant to them ya, okay your turn


ya, yup


yup, ya


ya I get what you mean, like ya already like, yes like we need to move on cause like ya modernisation everything is happening even like everyone there will be like taller buildings and like


ya I'm just kidding but I think uh ya I think ya generally like there's a point that ya can be taken into account like, we we really need to like ya look forward in like you know not look back on like this kind of, like you know heritage kind of stuff but I think I beg to differ


okay but I think such such stuff can be done you know even in terms of modernisation I think uh we can implement that in you know the cultural and heritage sites that we have I think one example would be uh


I don't know if you all know about there's this street call #keong saik# street uh it's a very popular , or when I said photography place that a lot of photographers go there and take pictures and don't even know what the heck their relevance is so but okay but I think if I'm not wrong this place is a uh of


it okay I don't think it's a heritage site or cultural site but I think it holds like a relevance you know to the past like it has like it has all the Peranakan stuff lah like it's like it has like a lot of bakeries and I think I want to touch on this point also actually inside this building it looks it looks very olden you know


it looks like it has been built you know in the past but I think inside this building itself it has a lot of bakeries it has a lot of eateries inside so I think like once we can also like we can also actually implement you know all these kind of new industries inside these heritage sites


so that we can actually keep the we can keep the building itself but we can probably want to revolutionise the inside cause I think most people won't really go inside I think like majority of tourist just oh okay like ya nice building like oh this is like you know, cultural site but they won't actually care about the inside so I think I think we can still keep that like I think


generally like ya we can just do that instead and like let tourist you know just take pictures that they want, and you know nobody really goes inside you know nobody really cares about what's the inside of a building let's be real okay nobody care, okay but ya ya that's all I have to say, ya


so I don't know what do you think I don't know about that


ya ya


ya, ya, it's yup


ya correct ya , like the, ya, ya


yup, yup, yup, yup


like ya I mean ya lor I mean talking about like ya whatever like reason, stuff like that ya I think ya I think like it also help me to realise that because you know actually, as you know there's a lot of under-representation you know in singapore but I think this cultural sites open up my eyes and to see that you know these culture sites actually help you know to to help you know the other


underrepresented races to feel a sense of relevance so that they will not feel like outliers you know in the society they will you know feel very welcome and when when they are actually seeing, all these heritage sites and they will feel like oh okay, like you know that they are like assured in their identity as a singaporean they are like assured that okay I belong here they


are assured that you know that there is no reason for me to like, , be like outcasted because I'm actually one of you guys it's not it's not like, you know kind of like, like I don't know if you know but the american the native americans and the americans like they are always at war like


for some reason because of these heritage sites you know they are they are not really there you know and therefore you know they pretty much felt they pretty much feel very like isolated from like a lot of things, but okay I I'm pretty sure that there's no I'm pretty sure there's like no like it's even barely you know heritage site for them you know to look back it's probably like condensed into like history books or something which is like obviously I read once and I'll throw it away


like that's why all my secondary school books ah but that's not the point yup ya so ya I think you know we got these heritage site and these ya, these cultural site it will be yes it will be condensed into like, the history books and nobody will be ever remember about it unless it is brought up by another movement


in singapore yup these okay yup, malaysia


okay, uh the progress of a society is best reflected through the arts


ya, yup


ya, uh ya I think, ya like ya arts can like ya even in doing dance like hip-hop you know stuff like that yes like I I I think I totally agree with like if you know they're they are being more recognized you know that there's generally you know a progress in our society especially in social aspect


like ya we can totally see you know that people are more accepting and and more willing you know to learn about their culture even through the arts I think I totally agree on that point like even in singapore like there are so many more dancers like you know popping out you know there are like more people interested in dance


in general like even our group of friends like is like, you know to attract more people in in uh loving dance because of like in the culture of it and that shows like progress from the heart you know that shows that they are they are you know accepting of their of their culture they are accepting of you know where the dance originated from


I think it's a great idea okay but however when we talking about that I think that there are different type of progress in society that we can talk about generally you want to like focus on like uh social end you know economic process uh economic progress okay


so I think on the economic side I think arts is like definitely at you know the lower end I think it's not able to show you know how how a society grows economically cause you know as society grows economically it it grows through you know businesses it grows through


even the economics you know uh sorry it goes through you know like the great that that actually plays around the stocks and you know how how they deal you know with with different uh with different countries you know I think econs is a very complex subject to talk about like


economic progress you know look at singapore like it come from like some Kampung and then now is like some you know modernized thing so I think, definitely on economic side , like uh and and you know during these like whole economic like uprising and everything in singapore like it like I don't think it was even motivated by art itself but I think it was motivated you know by by by the sheer will we know of


of you know the hard workers you know in the previous times you know one thing to build you know even more , uh even like in our first world country you know for us to live in and I don't think like they were motivated by you know like any form of art cause art was kind of like a lost form you know when they're they can't be really focus on art itself and they are working so hard to build like


brick, each brick you know of the country and ya so I think it just like the sheer will you know and and you know I think my point is you know like the sheer will of you know the society you know actually shows you know how how great you know the economic progress is think singapore is one example


another example would be basically social progress uh I think socially, social progress you know uh definitely art art it it can come in in the form of art but I think also like will be


we should not just focus on ourself we can come from you know many sorts of like science and like, math you know like , and you know that there have been like scientific reports you know that are showing that you know like, uh socially you know that that that we are progressing you know that we are understanding you know of people because you know through scientific research you know that research done by the US and like


harvard whatever show that that yes like socially we are progressing because of the new scientific bounds that we had and and I think not only just socially we are we are progressing through science I think there's a recent article about uh


uh science experiment like being complete or something because they are able to show that LGBT, is the normal in america that there's a science about that and that you know because of like the scientific process because science is so based on such uh solid research and like people generally love science people generally trust science okay therefore


you know people are more likely to be open you know with you know with this breakthrough in science people are more likely to be open in order to like you know stuff about LGBT and you know that even opens up a avenue for like others to do like to be socially aware that !hey! that


ya LGBT, is normal okay, uh that I should know more about this before I start to discriminate somebody, in you know my workplace so I think science is one of them but you can see you know social progress of the society and I think in my opinion that the arts is kind of


okay never mind lah I've run out of time, okay never mind you say yours


yup true, yup


yup, yup


yup


yup, ya I mean ya (mmhmm) ya I think that makes a lot of sense I was worried like you know arts is also like you said before like there's no bounds you know there's no


I totally agree on that point uh ya like you know, like there are some stuff that can be fabricated to seen like yes our society has called you together but actually we don't but ya and like I think generally that's like half the time of like every single country but ya I think arts you know is only reflecting the raw


substance of in the society and in the country but I think when we talk about it on a global level uh what you want to show the world like oh my goodness we have discovered the COVID vaccine like I think we want to to portray you know a positive like like not


many things, you see, bad about singapore they are usually like really hidden on google like if I'm not wrong is not, cause of ya anything, but generally I think that that there are a lot of things that are like if you okay ya sorry going back on topic on global level I think we want to portray you know the best you know of our nation we want to portray the the only the good stuff we don't want to portray


the bad stuff so I think you know, there's a line I think we have to draw when we want to, censor stuff we, want to like talk about certain things, and but let's say before uh science I I believe in science ah okay science uh cause arts, and ya I'm more of a science person okay


I believe that you know that even the current situation like COVID like let's put things into perspective like , like when they discuss about the non-essential thing like I think they were talking they were definitely talking about like the the whole COVID situation not they won't talking about like generally you know on a daily basis okay so that's not


let's put that into context like uh science uh is generally showing you how well we are doing in society how well we are coping with it even like you know we we through science you know, like through , like the ability you know of the PM and like the government we were able to show the world if we are even commended by WHO like the health world organization


that we are one of the best countries you know, like that that can actually survive you know uh operate well and we actually did it so like they actually contained it so well because you know of of because of like the the scientist that we have in singapore they are able to contain it ya and of of course the leadership of


you know the the country and, you know this can also form uh, show you know that our economic progress of a society is also fueled by science because ya because you know, economy uh economics generally stem you know from good relations from other countries and that we also would pull up you know our you know other other good relations with china and whatever


uh and ya so I think that is one of the few ways that we, we can also show progress, like ya


ya


nah, ya, ya


yup, yup correct, yup right


yup, yup, stigma


yup, yup, yup yup


ya like like ya definitely the female like rappers like ya I think that's like inspiring, even when I when you said I was also like I was like !wow! like ya I think that's like amazing like amazing thing that ya that that society has like you know like maybe for rap I think it's like started from rap that like people starts to realise that okay like women are not just object like I think ya that's like a great point ya I Iove that point


and ya I think, like I say before like ya I remember last time they always always talk about propaganda and stuff like ya that's probably used to feel okay like probably the world war like probably in in worser times those who like encourage people like I think that that is something that it can be reflected because you can do anything and everything that you


want to do with art , you can, ya I think ya to a certain extent yes can, like you know, you know show a progress you know about society


ya, okay okay


part one debate topic one


okay thank you so now let me share with you why I feel that, technology creates more benefit than problems in the society, so have you ever heard of the name thomas edison alexander graham bell tim berners lee, this name rings a bell right because what were they known for light bulb phone internet all of which change our life in major way previously you mention about how technology creates more ways and leads to more pollution cause of stuff like transportation with those


carbon emission, but have you ever thought of how without transportation without cars without planes without trains how are we able to travel the world today how are information manage to go around the world, right, imagine travelling outside at night with a candle or fire torch imagine missing your friends who are or families who are miles away and the closest you can get them will be sent them a letter or to travel for days and weeks to reach them and imagine all the resources and information that you could have missed without being able to surf the web


these are just some of the benefits that technology has brought us, which has given us a lot of convenience and greatly changed the way of life and even civilization, and as I mention just now, the amount of active web users now globally is around three point two billion people which is almost half of the world's population


and with improvement in technology it allows us to communicate and communication has improved so much that from sending a letter that might take a few days or weeks to receive we can now be done with just a simple click online by email, with technology online payment is also available which allows us to purchase goods from all over the world and with the help of online payment online shopping has grown so much that global online shopping market says is expected to hit four trillion this year


as of twenty eighteen the digital penetration rate worldwide is forty seven point three percent and e-commerce sales account for fourteen point one percent of retail purchase worldwide


so thank you so let me share with you right technology and internet usage does not require one to does not require one to upload your personal data online and depending on how you use the internet, one can just simply use the internet without having to put their information online and as you mentioned previously about reckless spending due to in e-commerce online shopping and stuff


regular spending is the habit of one individual and it is the responsibility of that individual and it should not be accounted for by technology technology has brought us a lot of convenience and like how, we use technology in education in our workspace


without technology we won't be able to to use stuff like microsoft excel microsoft powerpoint microsoft word, Adobe, no without all this technology and application, we won't be able to complete our task and our work as efficiently and as uh as effectively


right so technology has helped us in many other areas such as saving physical space by allowing, us to store documents online using cloud technology and with this cloud technology not only can we access the information we can also allow our colleagues from all over the world to access the information with the right security put in place


and, this type of security is also, created by technology in a sense, so with the help of computer application as I mentioned previously it has also brought us a lot of convenience in helping us finish our work more efficiently and effectively


and let's bring our point to at the education level technology has benefited the society in many many different ways so with the help of technology student nowadays are able to attend school at the comfort of their own home, especially during such times such as COVID nineteen


when there's travel restrictions placed everywhere by governments and travelling overseas and like, some countries banned going to school right, like, with such events in place students students are still allowed to go to school via online education and online learning websites


resources are also easily available online where knowledge can be shared from across the globe simply with a click, we have resources such as wikipedia such as, research papers and stuff you know, schools also schools have also changed from chalks and boards to computer and projections and these bring this also links back to your first point about how waste it creates more waste and pollution cause imagine if we still stuck with chalks and boards


then we'll have to spend so much money on chalks right, and then bring, forward to using technology for stuff such as, exams such as presentation such as crease and tears you also save us a a ton of papers


which, which definitely can counter your argument of it creating more waste because, in this case we actually reduce waste by not using as much paper, right, so according to a Gallup research published in twenty nineteen students engagement rate has improved by fifty five percent after introducing smart technology in schools and college


so students also recognise the advantages of using technology in ways that gives them a sense of ownership and engagement in the learning process and on top of all of this, using technology allows us to be environmentally friendly as I mentioned previously as we can save on papers used for homework print out and assessment


alright so bring back to how you mention of the safety of storage application online, where there's , this safety the safety and security of such personal data and storage application can only be done with improved technology and as you can see from fifty years ago until how where we are at now right technology has improved a lot tremendously over the past few decades


and, for us to tackle such problems this can only be done with the increase and improved technology, alright so which bring us the next point about how personal data can is more easily stolen now that we have technology


what I want to share with you is personal data can also be stolen offline and this is not just a problem that is only online, right and, technology has helped us tremendously in every ways and bring back to where you mentioned health issues where it leads to where technology


leads to myopia and, radiation and all sorts of other problems so first of all myopia, can, first of all myopia like I mentioned just now in the first point is the, responsibility of an individual so this


this issue can be tackled with the right use of technology which is why there's a recommended usage of how far we have to sit from screens, TV screens computer screens and how long we should use, how long we should spend in front of the screen


to prevent such things from happening, right and secondly you mentioned about how technology causes radiations and stuff which causes other health problems, so let me share with you at medical level right technology has helped to treat more sick people and save more lives and combat more harmful viruses and bacterials


so can you imagine if we do not have technology what about those people with brain cancers like you mentioned just now radiation causes brain cancers, so, without technology how are we, able to do those MRI scan CT scans all the different type of, health procedures


and if the use of computers nowadays, hospitals are able to conduct research on a larger sample size allowing a more accurate and analysis, and with, technology it allows us to check our bodies which otherwise it would be impossible with traditional methods and can you imagine if we stuck to the traditional ways of using a knife


and to open up our body, and, compared to now where we have CT scans and MRI scans X ray where using the help with the help of radiation, we can, scan through our body and see what other issues we have without having to open up ourself


these are the benefits which is brought upon by technology and technology has which is why I choose to say that technology is used to solve, more problems in society, and you need technology to solve problems


I believe technology has greatly benefited the society because, why was technology even created and used in the first place right technology is used so that we can improve our life where brings us convenience increase our efficiency increase our effectiveness in life


and , as you mentioned just now with the increase usage of technology it leads to several different problems but at the end of the day technology is, the intention of technology is used to improve our life and it is upon the individual and their responsibility on how they would like to use the technology and if they choose to misuse the technology it is their own fault which leads them to all the various health problems health issues and the various problems they


that they face and as you mentioned just now technology leads to kids having myopia because of over reliance on, technology well let me share with you there's this operation called Lasik, where, even if you have myopia you can choose to have an operation where you can


get rid of your shortsightedness, when you're older, yup so this is where technology has improved our life and, as, much as it creates problems it has also it has also solve a lot of problems for us human beings in our way of living in every aspect of life and as you can look around your room and look around where you are we are surrounded by technology everywhere it is everywhere and anywhere


yup so , in conclusion maybe I'll maybe I can conclude first in conclusion technology is all around us today and whether you like it or not it has bring us much convenience and it's changed the way of living heavily and, technology may continue to have a dark side but the pros will always outweigh the cons


part two debate topic two


I agree with you that in machines does improve our efficiency in production when, machines are more highly sustainable, but, machines does not make humans and their jobs obsolete, as, there are certain jobs that cannot be done by machine


so let's say today you use a machine to, in your whole production line so what happens over as you mentioned just now machines have higher life longer lifespan and, it has more precision and stuff so what happens when over the long lifespan, your machine wear and tear and a parts breakdown


so are machines supposed to fix machines, machines are built by human and machines are fixed by human, when parts wear down and machines breakdown they still require a living human to attend to the problem and fix the issue as to why the problem eventually happen


and without humans there will not be machine and as long as there are machines there would definitely be jobs where machines cannot replace, which is why there's jobs such as engineers to fix machines and stuff, right and, bring upon other stuff where


why I mention that machines does not make human and their jobs obsolete, would you like your government to be run by a group of a AIs and machines, political jobs such as governors prime ministers presidents would you trust a country run by computers and AIs


we're dealing with sensitive topics regarding two parties or on a larger scale two countries, can a computer really make an outright decision on what is right and what is wrong, so imagine today the US and north korea is run by machines, how do you think the world would turn out today


and, when dealing with fairness and justice, let's say if, a judge a lawyer is is run by a machine or computer, will it be fair to the defendant and the accused if they were judged by AI who uses past examples or algorithm to assess assess and pass judgement on their case on whether what they did was right or wrong


I absolutely agree with you on where a court like in terms of precision machines definitely do a better job at analyzing, but however, as you mentioned just now machines, are improving and they have deep learning and over time this may subsequently replace humans and their jobs


but let's bring back to the point where machines are built by human so how are machine able to improve and be able to, have functions such as deep learning and emotions right, ultimately how they're able to do this is because of the engineers who build them is by the brains and the ideas of engineers who decided that oh this machine needs


deep learning and emotions to function better we should add this so ultimately a machine will only stay at its current stage, until someone better think of something to improve the machine, and let's bring back to other jobs so let's say jobs requiring human touch or empathy in dealing with sensitive matters would you rather deal with human or robot


put yourself in the shoes of someone facing issues such as depression PTSD where they need an outlet or someone to console would you want having a a machine as a psychologist or psychiatric, achieving, the same results do you think they will achieve the same results as human themselves


the human brain that we have is a complex matter where we experienced different emotions and feelings and this is what makes us humans do you think it will be possible, do you think it's possibly the same to have a robot relate to patient when the robots themselves have no emotions to begin with


which brings me back to the previous point where, machines are built by human and the only way that they're able to improve and to make humans and their jobs obsolete is, by improving technology themself, and how do we improve technology is ultimately up to the brains and brawn


engineers which ultimately leads to not being able to make humans and their job obsolete cause it's a contradicting factor


let's bring us back to the point where you say how in the healthcare industry, many of the work that replaced by machines and how there's programs to make sure that they have a more accurate analysis and a more accurate , operation right so


ultimately when we're dealing with the human body when your life and death is on the line, would you want a machine to handle your body or your health entirely, would there be someone who's, at the back who's, making sure that the machine ran smoothly and


it is going according to plan so ultimately when we're dealing with life and death situation where there's health on the line where your lives on the line, you ultimately still need someone which is in this fact a doctor


to make sure that the machine is doing the right thing and, as healthcare as as healthcare is everything is on a case to case basis no no one's bodies is exactly the same and let's say if you compare two cases side by side different people have different bodies and


things might not be exactly the same as they are, so would it then be safe to assume that the machines can, thus, can do such work such that, when they do this, process in body A and they have a hundred percent success rate would it guarantee them a hundred per cent success rate in body B


right and then let's move on to other jobs that machines cannot, uh replace humans and their jobs so let's bring us to jobs that requires creativity, art is born of creativity and human personal creativity cannot be imitated by technology


and while the technology can enhance human creativity and manage tedious task, they cannot replace a human's creatives, spark right, and how does human creative spark comes along it comes along from everywhere around us everyone process our


, everyone process what we know differently, from our five senses it goes through our, brain human sparks come out everything everyone has a different creative, , mindset so according to a research done by adobe and it is found that a majority of creative


professions do not feel threatened by automation, so, when you're dealing with stuff like marketing with creativity, art, design digital , digital


fermentation and stuff, where, art is ultimate art and creativity is ultimately on the line, do you really think that, computer and machines can help replace these jobs where ultimately if they use the same process same algorithm behind then would everything end up looking the same


when they choose to pursue this line, yup


thank you so just now as you mention doctors alone what I was trying to bring across is that, I'm not saying that we should depend on doctors alone to carry out , procedures and stuff but I believe that, when you bring together human and technology


the combo the combination of both allows us to come together to increase the efficiency and effectiveness of what we're trying to achieve and it is true that technology is able to improve our work, but


it does not entirely make everything obsolete, which brings me to conclude my point that there are many jobs that machines cannot replace as machines and AIs process information differently from a human being, as as, and as much as they can improve the efficiency and effectiveness of certain process or certain production there are jobs and situations where it is morally wrong to base off the decision of a computer of machines


and people actually prefer and trust humans over machines for all jobs that requires judgment decision making and complex reasoning, which is why I would like to say that, machines does not make humans and their jobs obsolete


debate topic three


alright thank you howie so, on my point of view euthanasia should not be legalised and bring it let's bring us back to this debate this debate is not about whether a person should be allowed to end their own life, as, it is already legal for one to end their own life right as you mentioned just now they have the rights to do so so this debate should be about whether it is legal for someone else to be involved in ending a person's life


so, why I do not feel that why I feel that euthanasia should not be legalised, as, first of all you mentioned that acceptance by general public, so


so actually uh euthanasia can be, can be defined as, assisted suicide, and by legalising assisted assisted suicide this will lead, this would cause leading impression that some suicides are okay and it gives off the freak impression that the worth of our lives can be lowered and then suicide is a viable option for us


this risks sending a mixed message regarding the tragedy of youth suicide and creates a confusing double standard about endings one's life, legalization leads to normalization which may in turn lead to an increase number increase in number of death by this cause


so let's see, legalising can also lead to a grave apprehension that the state may refuse to invest in health, so , euthanasia is currently legalised in Holland


and according to an article, according to an article, by legalising euthanasia this has led to a severe decline in the quality of care for terminally ill patients in Holland


as you mentioned previously that one has their own ownership they have the right to make this, decision about having euthanasia to end their own life, however if I feel that it is unnecessary as alternative treatments still exist


euthanasia are usually choices made with regards to patients with terminal illness and the person with terminal illness is vulnerable lacking the skills and knowledge to elevate their symptoms making it difficult for them to be entirely objective about their own situation


this decision is normally accompanied by the advice of a doctor, which makes, the doctor responsible, for giving this advice of, allowing them to legally be euthanize, however, it is a direct direct violation of the doctor's hippocratic oath which is a historic oath whereby healthcare professionals swear to please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug


nor give give advice which may cause his death, the goal of medicine is to heal and not to harm, and doctors take an oath promising that they will not give anyone their escape to death so by legalizing euthanasia


it gives us it gives doctors a higher authority of given advice that yes you may pursue euthanasia, however it give doctors less responsibility of taking care of the matters, and when a patient with terminal illness is down to make this


decision on their own, their capacity for decision may make, for decision making may equally be affected by confusion dementia or symptoms which could be relieved with appropriate treatment, and when a decision is left upon other people's hand to make it brings about public safety risk and social justice issues where there is a need in protecting vulnerable people like them from pressure and abuse


so as I mentioned previously where they have a lack of they're vulnerable and have a lack of skills and knowledge to elevate their symptoms, this is to prevent them from making emotional decisions like how, let's say if today you were investing in the market


you, as the market crashes and people are making lots of loss you don't want to, just, cash out your investments and make a loss from it right because this is eventually an emotional decision and this state of mind would eventually lead you to elsewhere which


ultimately there might be a better decision, where, it clouds your ability to view this situation clearly because of the situation where you're in right now, and which also brings me to the, point where no one decides the birth of one's life and no one can it is a selfish task not only for the attending physician but also the person wanting the assisted suicide


and this this, makes their death a chain reaction with regards to whom it affect, their loved ones their family their friends those who care about them


thank you now let's bring our point to how you mention that it was a choice by the patient themself to choose euthanasia as a choice to , as a choice right so now let's bring our point to let's say patients who do not have the capacity to make


such options like let say patients who are suffering from coma, or, patients who are currently , they can't speak they can't voice out their opinions, then who then has the, ability to make such decisions for them


right, and previously as you said, people who are on life support they might use euthanasia to better of their life so there was this case, where, there was a miracle case of someone who woke up twenty years later from a coma


and when they woke up they interview this guy his mind was not at three years old as what the doctor predicted, where his mind was actually still at his, legal physical age, and, what they interviewed what they got out from him from the from the interview was that


the person, the patient can actually hear what was happening out there, in the world around surrounding his body whatever the parents said to him, however the caretakers has done to him has said to him he can hear and he can feel all of those but he was not able to


express this out right, cause he was like paralysed, then, one fine day twenty years later he suddenly recovered something happened to him a miracle happened and he recovered and he was finally able to break out of his body and share his experience with us


so let's say if euthanasia was, legalised and it was a option for the parents, then, what happens to the case miracle cases in this example, what happens to all the possibilities that patients who are actually inside their body who have a strong will to fight on to leave continue living their live but were chosen to be put down because of their parents


right and a practical problem with legalising euthanasia is that it can become means of healthcare cost containment and many would have financial motives, so then, how are we able to differentiate between a legitimate appeal to an appeal which has financial underlyings linings


so such as when, families would want to put them down and when they themselves want to put them down even when they know that, I have a chance of survival but I don't want to bring my family I don't want to burden my family down due to financial problems, legalising euthanasia leads to further arguments and


it opens the door to allow others to appeal that, euthanasia should not only be made possible for individuals themself but also for families who take care of them, and when it opens the door to such cases, , it opens the door to a lot of different problems such as


how families who have, pressure and abuse kids, how those who have something in their mind when they, treat this, all these patients differently and they don't treat them as nicely and would then euthanasia be a


good choice for for families who have, unwell intention in this case


so let me counter your point of when it was a miracle cases alright so there have been research and have been testing by doctors all over the world where they want they want to see if like coma coma patients are actually conscious


and it is understood that they are actually most of them are actually conscious where they're just not able to break out of their body to express themselves in the ways that they want to, so in conclusion, I would say that euthanasia should not be legalised at he has many change it has many chain consequences and can lead to a wrongful mindset that


assisted suicide is okay and this leads to the devaluing of our life


part one debate topic one, so the first topic that they're discussing today it's about the technology creates more problems than benefits for the society for begin my argument with pointing out that it creates three major problem for the society first it's creates unnecessary amount of waste that contribute to the pollution globally


and the abuse of technology can lead to a lot of societal problems last but not least it poses a lot of potential health issues from the increased use of technology worldwide, so moving on to the first argument we talk about it creates a lot of uh unnecessary waste it contributes to the pollution of the world so we say that increased in a technological advancement in terms of say transport


so we do know that cars uh buses trains creates a lot of carbon emission and our carbon footprint and all this contributes to a lot, or pollution in terms of environmental the atmospheric and also waste creation in terms of getting a lot of crude oil


and those gathering resources as well fast changing technology equipment also results in a lot of landfills being full of tech gadgets there's not being recycled and thrown away unnecessarily, so this includes also such as mobile phones computers and also gadgets as outdated throughout the era we also look at a lot of digging of all such as copper aluminium


and also iron to be extracted so that all these equipments tech gadgets can be created, however not recycled so at the end of the day this creates a lot of pollution for the world


so you just now mentioned about uh the penetration of uh of internet usage throughout the world and we have three point two billion usage however this comes with a cost as well with the high uh with the high usage of internet we see a lot of abuse of technology and abuse of such internet usage in the which leads to a lot of societal problems problems such as


social media addiction, we see a lot of uh cyber stalking we see a lot of hacking that's being involved, including uh mega scams that happens throughout the ages there's a lot of uh people while doing online transaction to have their data hacked and their data being leaked into the public so this has caused a lot of economic losses as well


and then uh this has not proven to be beneficial for the people as well in the US they increased spending for because of the ease of e commerce and internet purchase and led to a lot of people creating a lot more debts spending beyond what they can spend and also uh reckless spending habits as well that's being developed because of that


so this this made to my second point talking about cyber stalking and hacking as well because of the high penetration of internet usage throughout the world, data losses and now there's a increase, uh awareness and also worried towards the data protection and our own data privacy as well we see in terms of the donald trump elections back uh four years ago where the cambridge uh survey team actually leaked out


precious data to the presidential election team so that they can mine the data and and use it to their own privileges so in if we view in this case cases as well, without the penetration of such internet usage your own personal data will not be hacked


and will not be at the harm's way


very valid arguments but first let's talk about we tackle the uh the the usage of uh computer in terms of storage so we do see that there's a lot of increased, and uh cloud storage and also physical storage using you know thumb sizes uh thumbdrives and stuff


however how safe are all these storage applications are so we we we view it back ah five years ago where the CIA leakage from Edward Snowden even a safest organisations such as CIA with the highest level of security in terms of storage, has been proven to have leakage Anonymous the hacker group also managed to penetrate few layers of defensive measures in place by the pentagon and then have their documents being leaked so the question is how safe are your information and documents being saved online


especially when you have private data of your clients may be of your own family of your own own contact where you live et cetera which all can be used as a weapon against yourself, you know these are hackers can easily undermine the security for all these and then use your data against you and your family putting yourself at the risk so we talked about the increase usage in in education as well true


with the use of technology there's a lot more access to resources there's a lot more access to materials that allow and enhances the education and the learning process but at the same time at what cost, we see a lot of students increase in uh myopic myopia being uh


penetrative within the younger populations whereby they are exposed to computers to tablets to smartphone at a very young age in singapore herself seven out of ten young children are, at the risk of having myopia, as


compared to in the nineteen nineties where only three out of ten children are suffering from myopia so at the health risks we're looking at is this increased in resources increase, and the ease of usage of technology so that you can improve learning worth all the all the increased health risk


also we also see the potential health issue, other potential health issues arising from the increased use of technology we all know that their radiation, from smartphone from tablets from computers from your argument you have mentioned that uh there's an increase usage in both computers uh and and tablets in the education sector and the workforce so people who are working people who are studying are all at the risk of radiation being emitted from all these tech gadget


constantly we have a smartphone beside you if you sleeping you have the computer in front of you when you're working twenty four hours exposure to the radiation can prove to be extremely, harmful to the body as proven by the department of health and human services in the uh toxicology programme and backed by another peer review at the US has showed


that all these radiation has led, to bring cancer and have some causal relation as well


agree with the argument that the technological advancements in term of in terms of the medical field have seen a lot of advancement and has benefited the society as a whole however if you look at the larger picture, medical in terms of technological advancements has help a particular group of people and a small sample size as compared to the whole society


we see more people was being susceptible to the risk of technology and having repercussions because of the increased usage of technology, will children having myopia at the age of three be treated by technology when they grow older will they be able to truly remove the problem of myopia will technology be truly able to remove the causes that has a lot of young children to be addicted


do TV shows do tablets decrease attention timespan an average timespan because of the fast media in today's world and the internet has allowed our attention span to drop all the way down to forty five seconds


because of all the fast advertisements uh alluring visuals children nowadays can't focus well in classes as well, true it brings a lot of benefits to education but at the same time is a dual edged sword the problems led by technology has now deeply played the society in terms of the removal of technology now we're not


allow the societal to sustain the level of advancement the level of efficiency and the level of productivity so in this case do you still believe that our technology has greatly benefited the society


uh I beg to differ in terms of uh lasik being able to treat myopia myopia is a symptom that cannot be treated through lasik lasik can only reduce, uh myopia but not treat it, so so my conclusion and my concluding uh argument is that technology may have created a lot more advancements and pros for the society but the deeply rooted causes of technology resulting in an unnecessary waste


the abuse of technology and then also the health potential health issue that comes towards it, it uh does not warrant for the quick increase and the prevalence usage of technology advancement for the society as it brings more problem problems than benefits for the society


so do I stop the the thing now


part two, debate topic two, the mechanisations in the early twentieth centuries have made to the booming and a increase in the usage of machines throughout worldwide


however the current rate of mechanization has made humans and their jobs more obsolete in terms of because the machines has higher and more sustainable level of productivity making them a better choice of tool in terms of our manufacturing as compared to human as well as machines


are more precision in the terms of in terms of work and the built as compared to human and last but not least the convenience that machine brings about in terms of lifespan and also the usage, while compared to a manual labor so let's talk about the first argument on high sustainable level productivity so as we all know machines as compared to humans can work way longer in terms of working hour in terms of high level of productivity as well in terms of efficiency as well and the whole mechanization process


many workers are being displaced by machines, uh as we all know in terms of manufacturing processes, you know machines are are replacing people in to build ships to build cars to build equipments due to their high level productivity a person may be able to produce


ten cars per day but a machine is able to produce twenty fifty cars a day and we all know that machines can work relentlessly and without rest as well as compared to human so the margin of error we're talking about here is way lower than uh human


hence machine have replaced human in terms of manufacturing processes and humans have no way in no no way to be able to beat machines in terms of efficiency as well


we talk about the cases of uh certain jobs that cannot be replaced by machines, so just half a decade ago ah sorry just a decade ago people do not believe that certain jobs can never be be replaced by machines and never is an extremely strong statement to be used but a decade later on these people have been proven wrong


so what jobs are we looking at we're looking at things in the medical field such as doctors people believed, that a doctor needs to be a living person for a more accurate diagnosis but in a recent research found a group of highly established and acclaimed doctors has proven to have a less accurate diagnosis than a computer itself running through


scans of MRI scan CT scans and the doctors diagnosis in the end are way less accurate than a machine, so is is is the job is some jobs can't totally be replaced by machine I do not believe so


fifty years ago people would not believe that a driver, can be replaced by the machine fast forward to twenty ten google google created the first driverless car, and now is being implemented in countries such as germany and the US in the certain states


people do not believe that drivers cannot be replaced and you requires a human perception, a human's decision making in the process for them to become a driver and all these are now being quickly replaced, by machines because of what because of deep learning because of artificial intelligence we talked about


uh engineers that can never be replaced recently there's increased research, being done for machine learning where machine communicates with machine and the whole point of all this, deep learning AI it's so that machine can be able to fix the machine themselves


you do not need engineers in the near futures if deep learning itself added artificial intelligence in terms of machine learning its successors would do you still think that machine can replace can never replace certain, jobs in the world we also talk about the precision of work yes true


right now there are still some jobs in terms of political wise, that machines are still unable to replace humans but do you still believe so once deep learning and artificial intelligence has evolved, better understand emotions and the decision making process in humans we talk about precision in terms of decision making the currently do you do you believe that having a person


a physical human in the political society is truly beneficial for the society just because the person has emotions just because you are certain rational decision making does not make it a better option over a machine, we talk about the example you talk about north korea and south korea should a deep learning being implemented in such decision making and then weighed the pros and cons it could have led to a better outcome than the than the current political situation as we see of now


so in terms of precision wise human will never be able to beat machine


I beg to differ to your argument in terms of our human builds machine and therefore machines are unable to replace human the very sole reason why people are chasing towards deep learning and artificial intelligence is though that they can replace


the human's thinking and decision making in this way so humans, do not I do not refute the fact that humans first built on its machines in terms of artificial intelligence and deep learning sequences however


because all these deep learning and artificial intelligence are built already, the emplacement of all this deep learning and AI is therefore able to replace these humans in the long run once they crunch enough big data


once enough there's enough filtering of data, the the advancement of technology do not solely depend on the creativity of human thinking computers they themselves have created a sole new algorithms that have that have benefited in terms of R&D


innovation of new technology do you truly believe that humans are the ones who's making all the machines let me give you an example in terms of quantum, the new quantum uh computers as being created right now is highly dependent on the AI to generate new algorithm


to create new formulas so that the new quantum computers are generated at a high frequency a frequency whereby the brain of a human can never be able to matched a supercomputer is equivalent to, one hundred human brains you need a hundred humans to do a single machine job do you still believe machine are unable to replace uh humans so we talked about the psych matters true


in terms of human in terms of emotional touch machines are currently unable to replace human but what about in the future, humans are unable to detect certain emotions without the help of machines in a psych world a lot of research are being conducted in terms of human brain to understand where all the nodes


within the brain that led to this thing called emotions and there have been a lot of advancements recently to know that the frontal lobe is part of emotional factor as well so in the near future with the advancement in technology and the advancement in terms of medical field coupled with the help of machines


do you truly believe, that AI with all this, uh high tech machineries and medical procedures are unable to replace humans so we talk about medical consultation, a lot of medical procedures right now are being replaced


with machines, brain surgery heart surgery to requires a high level precision being used by robotic arms instead of humans, programmes are in placed together to make a straight diagnosis and better treatment the error of margin of error within the surgical procedure itself has replaced certain surgeons already so do you still believe that machines are unable to replace humans


uh I would beg to differ in terms of uh your arguments in terms of uh


having a doctor to make the decision is way better than machines uh as previously mentioned in my argument that uh doctors diagnosis on a whole is uh less accurate, as compared to uh machines diagnosis and also would you like to depend your life to a surgeon as compared to a machine I change the example for you in terms if right now you're lying in the ICU


would you trust a person pressing a life respiratory system for you or a machine that's pumping air and oxygen at a specific amount and percentage at a right rate for you to be able to survive so it brings us to the next point whereby we're we're talking about creativity and also in the arts sector that


machines are unable to replace human true in the current situation, whereby machine learning are still in the very primary and infant stage, not many things are being replaced by machines right now but that does not guarantee for the future why do I say so we brings to the argument about the marketing uh sector in terms of marketing sector deep learning has been already be applied in this uh field albeit being very young


a lot of analytics work are being done to generate certain visuals for consumer that based on data consumer are more likely to be drawn towards such visuals, and also in terms of art itself


a lot of artist modern day artist these day actually do employ uh machines and help in terms of sculptures, in terms of creation of their digital art, do artist truly, not be able, are machines truly not be able to replace artist I do not believe so in the near future


everything is made up of formula and a certain set of algorithm art is so in a very random nice manner as well like you mentioned art is the creation of innovation with the things around us what if one day machine is able to draw in all these creativity as well it's hard to say so


half a century ago people do not believed that the the machine and mechanization can replace a human brain artificial intelligence today has proven that this is simply just a myth, so to conclude my argument machines will be able to replace human albeit not now but in the future due to the high level sustainable level of productivity


in terms of the potential wise can bring in terms of precision of work and the level of convenience and the deep potential to replace any work in this world


part three debate topic three, so we're talking about topic number three in terms of euthanasia should be legalised and I believe that euthanasia should be legalised based on three simple reason one being the growing acceptance by the general public the people do want euthanasia to be uh legalized so every human have it's own self determination and right to make a choice


for his own life ownership and three there are people who truly need the euthanization to be legalised we refer to the first argument growing acceptance by the general public so euthanasia has been a widely debated and controversial topic in the earlier days


even the early romes and the greek do believe that euthanasia is a form of, merciful death so however in a in a growing societal view and as a society evolve euthanasia has been seen to be death and murder however


as the society continue to mature and progress there is a growing acceptance by the general public with a research and a survey done by top new in twenty eleven twelve europeans country uh have shown an increased, uh in the number of people who do support euthanasia from a mere eleven percent up to a twenty two percent there's a one fifth of the population


of a sample size that it's pro for euthanasia and they believe, but all these people supporting the euthanasia has been increasing and the pressure is building up uh the research done by the oxford so this this this shows that there's increasing number of people who do believed that euthanasia uh needs to be legalised


where people have the own rights and they can choose whether they want to be to to euthanize or not


I beg to differ for their argument in terms of uh whether uh the argument in term for euthanasia should be legalized and not being helped so in terms of euthanasia I do believe that euthanasia is being used in terms of medical usage only and the euthanasia in terms of being legalised here we're talking about euthanasia in the medical needs and not


to the free form of uh euthanasia so legalization of uh euthanasia here basically means that, like you mention in the Holland example whereby when you reach a terminal stage you need not be able to fight a long battle with the terminal illness and you can free yourself in the in the due from dutiful mercy death as mentioned by the greeks and romans so we're talking about the legalization that leads to normalisation if


currently euthanasia is being legalised in some places certain states in US such as California, and it's in very specific conditions whereby euthanasia are being legalised and used here yes it's attempted and it's assisted suicide apart is under one's free will this means that nobody can be able to approve this euthanasia other than the person or the individual themselves


everyone have their own self right and the choice to make for their own life, so my second argument to to refute are legalization is normalization is that preserving of one's dignity and life is truly up to the individual no one should be held accountable for another's life and we have previously mentioned before that the legalization in terms of euthanasia use


it's purely in the medical form it is not a free form whereby you can purchase over the counter and choose suicide over life as mentioned previously by you in terms of you, so this leads me to the to refute the case, whereby there's little help in terms of healthcare in holland so for the holland case we do look at there's a decrease in the help in terminal illness but also rather because of the number of people who choose to euthanize instead of fighting at terminal illness because the chances of recovering from terminal illness is way lower


and then recovering that from a normal sickness we do know that in the early seven in the early seventies, uh euthanasia is also known to be death with dignity where a lot of people do support this movement as a lot of individual feel that they have control over their own life


so I do not believe that euthanasia should continue to be not legalized as one have their own ownership, dignity over their own life


uh I would like to make a minor argument in, in in in the view of the hippocratic oath they previously mentioned about so if you do look at the hippocratic oath uh being enforced by the doctors currently there already been a, controversial topic in terms of life support so currently a lot of patients worldwide are able to make their choice to be free of life support in the case whereby they have encountered a terminal illness and you can choose not to be on life support so in that case


and is like as mentioned in the hippocratic oath the in terms of uh they only prescribe and try to save a patient but being off a life support system denies them of, the the opportunity to save the patient itself


and furthermore uh euthanasia is only, a choice made by the patient only in the clear condition so when we mentioned were previously you mentioned about patient who suffering for dementia certain psychiatric problems they are not eligible for euthanasia in this case


and the the the argument the minor argument towards uh the decision of death itself the attending physician does not make the decision of the euthanasia for the individual it is the individual's personal rights and choice to make so


and you previously mentioned about the individual they themself should not be able to given a choice to make it to choose whether they want euthanasia or not I believe this is the infringement of a sovereignty towards a person's life, just as so as you have the options and choices in life by yourself


so this leads me to my next argument which is a word used previously the argument which is the word choices here by legalizing, it gives people an option, to people who truly need euthanasia there's a lot of cases around the world uh let me give you an example in netherlands there's a patient who's under a life support system and they do know that this patient would never be able to recover


in her vegetation stage whereby she is unable to react both physically and mentally as well the the this case has proven a very strong causal relation, to the legalization of euthanasia because in in netherlands it's not legalized yet so in the case where sovereigns themselves


every individual themselves have the rights to choose because of the legalization allows them, under a clear and conscious effort, to choose whether they want to be euthanized, or not, so this refutes your arguments in terms of not the individual themselves should be able to given a choice to be euthanized euthanasia is not an escape previously mentioned by you but an option to end the misery


uh I'd like to beg to differ to the to the first example being given of a miracle care as previously mentioned by you that is a miracle uh condition and not many people are, at the benefit and at the at the expense of being able to be treated in this medical


miracle condition furthermore the argument for euthanasia being legalised here is uh we're we're talking about, families we're not talking about families being able to make the option of euthanasia


or being used as a form of escape for a person my conclusion uh for this argument is that euthanasia should be legalized because it allows uh individual to retain his own dignity, and have the own rights over their own life and there's a lot of growing acceptance in in the general public as well that euthanasia should be legalised


so this shows that there's a lot of support and people do want euthanasia to be legalised and last but not least there are people who really truly need euthanasia as a form to escape their misery albeit euthanasia should be implemented and legalised, only when there are clear guidelines being shaped that prevents people from abusing


and from using it as a form an escape from the financial from their own responsibility and only be used in the case where euthanasia is truly being needed such as from cases or medical cases and conditions that they can never recover from


okay so uh then let let me just refute the point of uh being in a comative state uh allows the patient to be able to hear, so in the case of uh patient being able to hear in a comative state does not warrant the fact that uh euthanasia should not be legalised


purely by the fact that even if they care hear if they can listen what if in the case whereby uh they can never recover from the stage you will never be able to wake up and voice their concern the miracle case that you brought up with is a is a very good example whereby what if the family


the the loved one are unable to sustain this twenty years of treatment for this and who knows what if there are some patients throughout the comative state that they truly want euthanasia, so I'm not saying that everyone should be euthanized everyone should be given the uh euthanasia but it should be an option available should the legalization be proven and be passed so that what if a person was suffering from stage four cancer can never recover