that might be required to succeed okay, people have different thresholds of strength and sometimes this failure can push a person, over the board where, you know I I'll give another example you know use the physical aspect of money okay let's say a business has only hundred thousand of capital and uh a failure will put them


behind the success of maybe let's say fifty thousand and this fifty thousand would eat into their capital this fifty thousand could what we uh you know go to the point of what we call the point of no return which is also known as critical mass of failure where a company


or a business may not turn around and may actually stay as a failure because of this failure uh they may not be able to achieve success you know so I would say it is not uh essential part and sometimes can be very dangerous as well okay


that is why in school in secondary school I don't think our teachers have taught us to fail our exams you know I have not went to any teacher that has told me !hey! you should fail your exam one time before passing alright I think school has always taught us


to do our exams one time uh and not many times you know and in many case when you repeat uh it is often considered a, you know a not a very good thing or a a thing that is a bit more questionable about how much effort you are putting in you know same for this you know as much as the the media loves a comeback story you know we like to make stories of people that fail and


you know come back and then achieve the success how about those stories of those people that do it once and do it good isn't that more impressive I think that that is actually more impressive, a success okay and if you were to consider success as the achieving or something good achieving of accomplishment isn't it bigger a bigger accomplishment to achieve something without failing


than to achieve something with failing you know we don't go to people and say !hey! you know I played this video game on ten lives you know I completed the boss with ten lives, no but we want to boast our friends that !hey! I completed this video game with you know zero lives meaning that I did it once I did it good you know uh that is


in the sense to me uh and to us a true essence of success that you know you are good enough to not fail and uh failure is actually a result of lack of success or lack of planning, uh that is why that happens that is why we always say listen to people's mistakes learn from people's mistakes not learn from your own mistakes because you know our parents always taught us you know you don't want to


have this kind of trouble but you know let others others go through the trouble so that you don't uh need to okay, , and you know if we keep redoing things or we keep failing uh then I think


it will actually be more like what we call trial and error than actual success you know it's just it's just simplify it or it turn it into trial and error and not success okay and, to the point that uh the proposition said that cannot be defeated in the long term


I would like to think that that is , unlikely because failure does not guarantee uh, you, success uh likewise, success does not guarantee you failure as well okay uh there's no guarantee that in the long term failure


would make you, not defeated but, essentially it can also erode your defenses like you know what we in a war you always wear down people's defences and failures wear down people's emotional defenses that sometimes it might even make them more


you know make them more likely to be defeated or failed in the end, yes, uh opposition uh proposition do you have uh something


(ppc)


(mmhmm) okay, (mmhmm), okay , as the opposition okay first of first of all I think we have to state that one okay uh I think the question is how far is failure an essential I believe the keywords here are failure essential and success


I do not believe that, failure is an essential part of success I believe that failure , happens in the process to achieve success it happens but whether it's an essential part I disagree you know because for one okay uh take for example maybe would I have considered


to say that failure is an essential parts of part of success so that means that if I were to pass my exam without failing okay, then because I did not fail my exam first before I passed it that means it is not a success and I disagree I believe that


, passing my exam without failing is a success and a bigger success than failing my exam and passing it after that, that's what we believe uh that failure is not essential part that failure is a part of that it's a process uh that happens commonly uh in the pursuit of success but it happens because of


a person's uh lack of planning okay uh that is why that happens not because, it has to happen uh to achieve success we believe that success can be achieved, without failure if planning is done better and


failure itself, uh is as you've said you know it can be problematic many times uh let's say for a business you know right now we can talk about uh uh COVID you know and I believe, many businesses are suffering right now because of COVID okay to some people they may considered a failure


it's not a failure on their part but they may not the business owner may not have planned for uh uh a virus like this to hit the world and hit the world so hard that is why it is failing right now, and


I do not believe it is actually a part of their success because many businesses have close down because of this, , failure perhaps you know that they overlooked and they may not come back from this so you know this chance of success may actually be taken away rather than you know given better because of this failure uh maybe you would like to address that


(mmhmm), , correct (mmhmm), (mmhmm) but I I think but but I also like to think that , I do not


know all the babies in the world uh is it possible that uh there are babies that did learn uh walking much faster than others I believe so uh whether or not they fell down or so called fail uh is another uh uh factor you know whether


you know they had to walk , it's a bit difficult to say that they failed you know in that sense


(mmhmm),


(mmhmm) okay


okay sure thank you, proposition,


part two debate topic two


okay first off okay uh experiences uh do not costs money dependent okay ah uh we as the opposition believe that experiences are not more valuable than material possessions but material possessions are rather


are as important or even more valuable or more important okay and we would even go to the extent to say that it is cultural uh sometimes to want natural possessions okay and, I I believe the proposition made a point that uh experiences do not cost money we disagree okay and experiences can not only costs money it can costs a lot of money


you know I believe this is a very open ended uh topic but you know we will just stick with the example of experiences people often say that they'll want to go one of the most common things in the world is, experience of uh travelling uh and travelling by no means is not a cheap hobby travelling has known to be one of the most expensive hobbies around in fact uh and that


you know air tickets can cost anywhere between a few hundred dollars to a few thousand dollars and it is not even long lasting uh the the air ticket that costs you two thousand dollars will just costs you uh will only be the experience of travelling from example singapore to US


uh on the plane and it's just getting you from a to b actually and not even the actual holiday yet that can cost you a lot of money okay, , so okay so research has shown that materialism uh and the love of uh material possessions is actually very important uh especially in uh what we called collectivist cultures


uh at like in cultures like asia where you purchase gifts uh to show about uh value for a person or or honor a person uh and also lessons and this, gifts can also give you identity sometimes uh let's say you know you are a collector of a particularly branded uh good and it it gives you that kind of personal


understanding uh that you you you work hard for a item and you set your goal to to build that is why it it is important to have this kind of this need for material possessions give people


uh goals you know uh very often people say they want to work hard for you know to buy a house to buy a car uh to buy this or to buy that uh and it's all material possessions that they work hard because it gives them, uh a goal as people need a goal in life to to make their life more happy to make it more to make it more valuable actually uh by having this material possessions uh maybe the proposition can say something about that


(mmhmm)


okay, ,


okay okay first of all the, opposition okay uh would like to say that, , experiences, are valuable but they are not more valuable than material possessions or uh or as important why because first of all


I think as people we are we want to give we don't just we live on earth for you know hundred years right and, we after that you know it's very often for us that we want to have offspring or children or whatever and we want to give our next generation something I don't think that


experiences can really be given , or memories can be given to others because these are yours you know however things like possessions like a house a car money clothes they can be given on to the next generation


this itself is, how we as people give value you know give value to our next generation or as our offspring and children and if we are you know experiences, you know my I cannot give my experience to my kid unless he can experience it in himself you know but I however can give him a house I can give him a car


something that will actually help his life become easier or more valuable in in living his life okay that is why uh for the twenty twenty report, for happiness world report okay uh the world happiness report right is uh done by the UN for hundred and fifty six nations okay and it ranks using six main factors okay one


the first and main factor is what we call the level of GDP uh GDP stands for gross domestic profit or simply put how rich or poor a country is okay, two life expectancy three generosity four social support five freedom and six corruption and income so this twenty twenty report was dominated by the uh ~navian countries


in europe, okay that they were the happiest countries and the happiest cities in the world on the other side of the spectrum okay this the unhappiest countries in the world were, dominated by what we call the underdeveloped and poor countries poor countries meaning that they have less GDP and also


very little or almost no material possessions okay these were countries that have suffered things like hardship, war political instability and natural catastrophe these countries uh or were the top five this year will


afghanistan south sudan zimbabwe rwanda and central african republic okay , they are so poor that they cannot achieve their happiness and that is why they are in the basic, uh they don't even have their basic needs you know they don't have a house which is a material possession to stay under uh they do not have money


that you know whatever experience they have is bad you know they don't have the basic, needs, to, be happy you know what is experiences to them so maybe you can address that


okay , okay


(mmhmm) but likewise okay if let's say there were uh uh uh uh natural disaster to hit the possession all the more it will show the the family that a house is important because previously this family had a house you know after they lost the house okay


you know the the experience of living in the house you know maybe they had a wonderful family dinner , of of of you know they have many wonderful experiences in the house, but they don't they no longer have a house I don't think that that experience is more important than actually having the house where they can eat their dinner under or or things like that you know


so I, you know I do not agree that it is more important okay uh for example these countries as he said uh that may not be more happy but then again the report twenty twenty already very clearly shows that all these


happier countries have one factor okay in common okay first of all the the six levels, that are ranked okay all of these countries have a good GDP they are considered rich uh by by the national the world standard okay that they have these things called money alright that is why they are happy okay uh and on the alternative side okay


this other five countries that are ranked unhappiest do not have money do not have health, they're not generous they don't have social support they do not have things basic freedom, and they have very high corruption levels


that it makes them even more unhappy and , do not say that material possessions make them, want to compare more because the lack of material possessions can make someone want to compare more as well


, you you can compare you know someone's maybe a toyota to a mercedes but a poor person may also compare, I have no money to someone that has money you know maybe this poor person has a lot of


experiences outside basking on the street but this person doesn't have the material possessions that he might want you know uh maybe he would like a car and then he may compare even more than someone that already has a car to compare with someone that has a better car


there's no guarantee that they will not compare more uh maybe you can share you know me with me what's your thoughts on this


(mmhmm), I think that uh, your science study , is correct but you need to acknowledge a factor that one okay it's only after they have achieve those basic


uh material possessions that they want then would a person then go and chase on their experiences and as I understand that yes I agree that many experiences as you said are free but largely a lot of people may not have the luxury to


experience this style of this kind of things without the kind of money that they have the purpose pursue so without you know this money, this this material possession or this money can be, uh a gateway to


this so called experiences which are enriching for a person hence you need to have this material possessions , to be able to experience this so called wonderful experience that that you have in the world like as I said just given uh uh even uh a thing like uh


a holiday or maybe it's someone's dream to experience driving a lamborghini you know and, (mmhmm)


(mmhmm), like you said people are social beings and and everyone is different so not everybody has the same social experience as each other and in that case they may not be able to relate however people can still find, the social interaction even through things like material possessions that's why there are many groups that are like you know maybe they are fans of like you know if we were to search a quick supercar group


online I assure you there are many supercar groups online that people socialize because they have a common material possession or maybe a nike fans club, or even the the earphone you're wearing razer razer fans club that people socialize through this material possessions to even strengthen their identity as people


okay, and, maybe you can share more about what minimalism is


okay, okay for travelling I I believe that you know it costs a lot of money and the experiences do not last forever and a lot of people constantly go for travel and in that sense it is actually


the ability of money to give that kind of material possession to give experiences it's why uh the opposition believe that material possessions are more valuable than experiences, okay


part three debate topic three ,


(mmhmm)


okay, uh the opposition okay uh disagrees that companies experiencing conflicts should be left to solve their own problems okay first and first and foremost okay,


conflict, can be internal can be external it can be it can be armed it can be not armed okay and countries are made out of people alright, uh people involved in any kind of disagreements whether it's armed or not


are emotional and unstable and they are very likely, unable to come to a, uh uh agreement in the first place that is why a conflict happens a conflict happens because two two parties have two different thought processes or two different ideas and they do not agree on it okay


and, countries if left to, fix problems on their owns in many cases, it can also become a problem okay that is how what we call failed states you know begin failed states are countries that are


supposed to be have the ability to to govern themselves you know failed states are countries that so a few things that they consider is the ability to collect taxes the ability to govern the country, uh the ability to provide basic needs for its citizens uh failed states are those that are unable to do that okay uh and it's how civil wars uh begin you know in countries like uh iraq libya and uh yemen okay and


this failed states okay has, and yet there is history has shown that this kind of failed states , actually not just affects their own countries individually but neighbouring countries as well you know


it has affected wealthier countries like egypt and saudi arabia okay after uh this failed state have had its own insurgencies uh and it's own civil wars and its own recruitment that a lot of it uh turned into this group that we known as


uh ISIS okay uh and it actually destabilise the region because of one failed state it actually destabilise the neighbouring region as well because this uh failed state has spilt over and this is why countries


have to sometimes take part uh in this kind of conflicts not just because the country is unable to, resolve the conflict on their own but, because uh even if the country is able to sometimes they may not do things fast enough and this can create what we call a spill over to neighbouring countries and you know we have a saying you know not my problem don't go and fix but the thing is


it may not be their problem at this point of time but because they did not deal well with the problem okay it then becomes other people's problems or neighbouring problems, uh and then, uh you know this is why I believe countries should intervene uh the does the proposition have anything to say


(mmhmm), , okay what about situations you were saying that they can appeal but many of the times okay let let's just say okay so I'm going to compare countries to people okay why because


countries is just a place it's a group of people it's still made up by people so at the core root of things countries are made up of people and let's take for example people problems okay , would a drug addict okay go out and say okay !hey! I have a problem


please give me help, many times more often than what they would probably not want the help at all but they need the help they that is why this thing called interventions happened where it's a forced intervention at time uh where


you know maybe you know maybe this this group doesn't have the strength to help themself example maybe there is a racial riot in in in some country okay one group is stronger than the other group okay one group is dominating the other group okay


so it's it's eighty percent population of of this certain race and then twenty percent population of this certain race so eighty percent of them are controlling this group uh and this group wants help but they don't even have a big enough, uh majority to be able to bring about such kind of help but the world knows about it


and and the world the country itself doesn't want to fix the problem because eighty percent of them are are are controlling this twenty percent and you know if we were to say by democracy , eighty percent will win twenty percent you know if everybody's given one vote and eighty percent of them are in favour because it favours them you know that their ethnic race more then this twenty percent will naturally be in


in a in a in a losing uh uh a situation and that is why they're unable to solve their problems uh and that is why countries you know sometimes countries need to step in and and to reduce you know things like you said


uh I know that uh uh the proposition shared about uh cultural and exploitation uh you know so that is why we propose that uh when when countries step in uh it actually not really be an international kind of uh thing but more regional because regionally


I think you know when we we say cultures uh east asia has a much similar culture than you know if you were to get uh US to step into a problem between singapore and malaysia you know a country like indonesia stepping in it makes more sense because geographically they're nearer okay


uh culturally wise they are more similar culture has been known to show that uh the nearer you are to some place cultures are definitely more similar okay than a country like US okay so you know I I think that countries


cannot be left alone uh you know


okay so for uh, uh, two okay this two countries are now having uh uh a disagreement already so it's not within the same country okay and in in in that situation that's why they have this thing called mediators okay


uh mediators are there when two sides see something different it can be within the same country or it can be outside same country uh there's this thing called the international uh justice court where it does international dispute I I think this


and by this organization exist, it's, but it it's because precisely because , the world knows or the the united nation knows that countries experiencing conflict whether it's internal or whether it's external will need a mediator sometimes to sort their problems you know that's why there's a judge uh international judge group


where where you know countries can go to should they have a problem uh but they have to agree to the outcome you know that's that's who that is why I I think this kind of organizations exist so, it shows that outside interference can be useful


okay okay, that is agreed okay but then again okay in any conflict every party has a uh uh , whether it's internal or external okay uh whether it's a different country or same country uh individually conflicts happened because they of a differences right so both parties have different interests at heart okay


take for example the very famous genocide uh the rwandan uh genocide and and you know it was considered one of the saddest moments in uh in in in history because of how little foreign intervention there was


the rwandan genocide uh happened in nineteen ninety four uh where almost a million people were slaughtered in hundred days between two different ethnic groups, and, should the, should the countries outside


outside the country itself because this happened in the country itself and this was perpetrated by the military and by other groups so the country itself did not do enough to stop it did not uh take, uh control of the situation to stop this slaughter that is why


a another country should have done so, , but, not enough intervention was taken uh outside you know when when when the when they saw that okay the internal government themselves did not bother to do something enough that outside world should have but


the outside world did not, bother enough, because they were afraid of what you say the backlash of what people will say eh you go and you know take control of other people and and and and the outcome was even worse it ended in people dying which is I would say the worst possible outcome


uh and so many people dying ya


(mmhmm) agreed agreed okay uh I we I do agree with you that uh uh regional aspect as I said earlier is definitely better okay and that, it is not something that should be done but in many situations okay let's take for example you know as I said the rwandan genocide when people stepped in when they finally decided to step in it was too late


okay uh we talk about the syrian conflict you know the syrian conflict everyone knows uh where syria is in in in their own civil war okay uh and because it is a civil war it's actually a war within their own country but, we are thinking that oh we should not disturb them they should fight their own war and we shouldn't touch them and that that's what happen and and we allow the the the syrian war to to to play out the syrian civil war to play out what happened


ISIS happened this group that uh came out uh and radicalised uh many many uh uh uh particular religious group uh it radicalised them into a lot of violence okay and, it it created uh even the biggest civil war because of the inaction of the international community the the conflict got worse you know


the conflict got worse and this conflict no longer became just syria's problem because how did this problem this country their own country problem become other people's problem is because of this ten point five million refugees


okay ten point five million refugees uh tried to go to better countries uh countries that were richer countries that had more stable environments better quality of living they all ran to to to run away from the war ran away from the problem uh that the other country did not bother to solve themselves you know


so then again is this is what I'm trying to say that, you know because of, a lack of of outside intervention okay this this border conflict within their own country became a big Daiji it it it came up to the sense where


it it it where this refugees went to disturb europe's sovereign country rights after that so you know and in in respecting the in respecting the the syrian, sovereign right to respect them as a country we did you know the world decided not to intervene in their civil war so much and


after that happened this civil war created a situation that now the syrian refugees are disturbing or affecting other countries sovereign right and sovereign immigration uh by coming in the millions


to to to go to their country and a lot of these countries are having a problem because they are weighing whether they should allow them in or not allow them in maybe you have something to say about that


(mmhmm) and this is this is why I'm saying that , it has to, there has to be a balance okay between you know as you said minding your own business and not because


like, you know if the war you know if you were to use that that example of the world war two okay uh we do not know that in the future had it dragged out longer okay had there been no outside intervention okay uh and and japan had ruled


majority of asia okay they had already ruled majority of asia, and, what would what would then be stopping them from taking over thailand you know they can go back on their word and take over thailand, you know


(mmhmm) okay agreed okay but we also have to acknowledge that uh when people disagree okay people are emotional beings countries are made up of people and countries will also be emotional that is why third parties mediators exist okay a third party view


may sometimes actually be better because this third party is not involved in this conflict alright and it will have a non-biased view it will not be emotionally evolved it can see things from a a view that is different that is not biased or it's not skewered by


maybe you know being in the conflict itself being part of this eighty percent or being part of this this country they can give you a outsider point of view that might even be better to resolving that conflict you know


, okay, so press stop now


debate topic one


okay I believe advertisement is very good for the for the business as well because if you don't promote our product and don't bring to the customer so they won't know anything about our product and one thing if you if you want to advertise of course, you can see a lot of people a lot of companies they put a lot of millions of dollar for the for the advertisement


so it the advertisement does work yes it does work because if you don't bring our product to the customer they won't know if you don't they don't know about our product we cannot sell, and if you talk about the like uh some people yes they have some mindset in the way okay we go for the only this product or something but still if you come up with something good everybody where will go for it because if something is better than previous or something better than uh like what I am using of course I'll go for that


I I won't wait for the someone like okay now my whole life I will just use this product and uh until I die no so what I what I will do like okay if something is good coming on my way like something is uh good promo, and commercial and some something I feel yes this really works for me and is better than the what I was using before uh it some some some advertisement show me that well of course yes I'll go for that product yep


okay, and I'm I'm not I disagree with your generation relation past thing because I don't think so nowadays people really go for generation and generation and they really go for something good or something new which is uh really works for that what you talk about android I will tell something about android android also we have a different brand as well okay not only we have samsung or we have uh vivo we have uh oppo we have


a lot of uh different brand in the market with what you're talking about android right so if you talking about android we have different kind of android but if something some some company giving you good features and I feel that android if I'm using samsung I I find vivo is quite good of course I will go for it and the price is quite


good for me but what we talked about generation to generation is uh it's uh I don't think so it's really works nowadays for generation to generation because let's say if your if uh for our parents or something leave the house behind us I don't think that we want to stay the same as you would have liked to move on for other new things and something come comes good on the way of course you will go for it


so that's that's uh if it if it yeah,


yeah as again again it's in the, yeah it's same again to the individual like some people okay for you I think some people like this they don't really stick to one brand, but some people they don't do some people they really like to try other thing like if I find other new brand something is new phone and find the market is very good of course I'll go for it because it's uh worth it if I find it worth it of course I'll go for it but of course if I know I'm using for samsung for very long and I trust the brand but something if I


find no this this product I should try if I'm convinced with that of course I'll go for it if the advertisement really make me okay yes this is the product what I want to go for yes it it works


not something I will want to say that just now you said that sometimes we have a tester or something like that so what what was the original advertisement mean like if I spent twenty five cent to earn a hundred dollar, I don't mind so that's that's the business do right that's their that's their theory that's how they work okay so if if you don't bring our market uh our product in the market and we don't let uh our customer try they won't know what I'm selling so if if if you just keep in the one corner and we don't sell anything oh we have a company I have a product but I don't know how to advertise


ah ah you can see US US is the number one for selling you know what what's the reason behind because they're very good in marketing for two dollar thing they sell for a thousand dollar why because they are very good in marketing so main thing marketing and marketing is advertisement, so how to market a product that's a big thing


and how you reach out to your costumer with the which way of course you talk about the old school look if you're talking about the passing a flyer that's a big yes I believe it's a bit old school now for now being all very honest it's very old school now but if we talk about the some kind of social media or some kind of like different pattern of new pattern of advertising


yup it does work and really change people's mind if you really know how to address your product, no no know what I mean to say that what they do like okay I what I mean to say the two dollar things


two dollar thing they sell for a thousand dollar in singapore even in singapore not even I'm talking singapore whole all all over the world they sell for expensive so what why they sell actually because they know how to market if you go in the shop and you will see some sole is selling its cost only for ten or fifteen dollar twenty dollar everybody know but the way they market their product how they sell so thumb advertisement is really works


because if you know how to market a product how you know how to address a product of course you can sell it you can can can reach to the customer, yup


I'm I'm I'm I'm sorry I think I think my my my my my excuse me excuse me my my this thing gone off so I stop now my my this, uh uh Appen is goes off and it's stop now so shall I submit and start again


yeah because I was talking as doesn't didn't notice yes so sorry about that, yeah Appen Appen, you lock yeah I open again it's showing me a submit and a play and a skip


uh my uh the the other one is actually running it's fine, okay submit already okay done


okay okay so


uh okay okay again again again again it depends on the individual like some suppose if I really find something good ,


no the what what what what what the what we're talking about here like if I if I'm using a product something similar we're talking about there's something similar of course advertisement can change my mind what we're talking about of really if I don't use something uh really uh that's of course will take time or uh really the


, okay


I I ask you something let's say you if you if you're going to McDonald's right if you're going to McDonald's lets say on the way burger king really giving you a best promo something like something really you shock oh my god really are you for real


is is this is this for real like it's true its that that you're you're giving this promo like make you, that's that's that's okay that's we're talking advertisement that's that's that's we're talking of advertisements means


no no what what what you you you didn't get me what I mean to say that if, okay advertisement advertisement is to


okay advertisement is just to try okay, it means they let you try so it it depends on you you go for longer a shorter or one day it depends advertisement means we let you try we like to show our product we like to show our consumer that we are doing what we are selling okay so its never happened like uh something you try you will live for whole life no


is never ever happened but at least you try you try something but my big, that's the that's the a no no no that's the business no that's the business strategy, yes but but as it I as I as I if I take my


okay uh okay okay I I understand your point not yes, I understand your point


no no no no no what what what I want to say okay what okay what what what or okay what I want to say, like what are you talking about the fairness claim or something okay advertisement means the product what I'm selling is really for them, okay I'll approach the person which is it really or I will advertise the person if you're talking about directly of course I'll reach to them but if really uh we're talking about advertisement in social media if you really uh using uh uh you see prices or something of course you will skip but those people who need it


no uh yeah is it does uh it does this cream doesn't work for no the this kind of cream doesn't for the fair people yeah but it does work for the those people who are dark skinned or they really need something


yup we have, again it's a it's it's ya it's it's individual yeah but uh


ya but but it's happened but I'm what what what I'm yeah but I'm disagree with the what we're talking about when we're talking about generation to generation I don't think so people nowadays they really go for generation to generation uh product because of course nowadays the new generation they really want to try new things and they don't want to go for older generation oh


I've shown me if my parents use this I will use this no, I don't think so people using that if let's say my my my grandparents, I I I don't uh uh very few I I if you if you talk about


okay oh do you still use the olden days lock in your house no, right very olden days like the bigger lock no nobody use that now, yeah no no it's not I'm not talking about padlock it used to be old very olden days is like they have a different kind of lock in in our houses and the different kind of uh


thing yes that's that's the thing so what happens when the if you something have new things we have we have new thing of course you will go for it, that's the that's that's my point if you have the


yes that's the thing if it what if if you don't, yes that's my point that if you don't go to the customer and consumer don't tell


that that that's my point when when you find something is good for you works for you you will get it that's exactly my point and advertisement really works if they don't have advertisement you won't come to know the product,


yeah, it's of course it does, of course does , its advertisement as well it's it's called friends recommendation, yeah yeah the is is is same thing


ya but but still we we have to bring our product with a advertisement


for me I believe with this applied because consumer come to note of something new let say sometime if you're playing some game and suddenly some game come in front of you of course you download that game if you like it right so it works advertisement works, of course yeah


started yeah that's what I'm saying yeah you you cannot uh of course uh what what I'm doing is of course not everybody of course, depends on the individual again yeah but advertisement does work yeah yeah yeah yeah


but depends how they advertise yeah


debate topic two


a picture is always more powerful than more words your peer okay, , okay of course uh uh for me I believe yes pictures always uh really is good some time when they like when they are travelling or something


and they see some pictures on the way or something like advertisement and of course our uh if something is different our views goes oh what is that and what we're sell what this what is that and we go for a long thinking it's it's really works for that yeah, pictures will always work that's true I'm totally agree with this


okay so pictures doesn't mean only the picture of someone or some things the pictures can be like some kind of banner, it can be uh some signboard or something so let's say if he reads something you or see something of course eye catching !hey! what is that what what what what what do you what is mentioned there what is that and might be sometime you see some pictures so really like some some kind of some man standing there and have some sunglass on you will say eh what what you're trying to prove


so of course your mind goes one side but uh when you see something you go for deep thinking eh what is that what they selling, what do you will you will you will think are a lot of things when you see some pictures there let's say if you're going somewhere and you see some banner or something then yeah oh yeah what what they're doing ah what they're selling exactly ah


what they have is is really is effective for the people those if walking or you there the or the car in the bus whatever they are then they are passing by they see something of course there it really works


there's there's I I I obviously that that those people don't really uh look at it I think that's why a lot of accident happens so sorry about that but even yes these pictures works when you're driving or something of course if they're really a person is aware or something they'll really look at it because it's something the signboard is there and just telling you something


you cannot be in this lane cannot be in that lane and so uh anyway this this we are not talking about a road sign or something we're talking about uh the the thing that the which is really talk about selling or make your eye catching, yeah yeah yeah it's there but but it's there no no no


yeah yeah but but but it, yeah photos anywhere the photo but if you if you its uh if you really if really uh obviously if you're a really good driver


no it's okay okay what what okay let's say let's say if you're if you're driving


okay since you talk since you talk about the road road since since you talk about, , no no it's it's still okay I'll come to the point now if you want but since you talk about a sign right how many times if you're talking about driving how many time you have seen the written there something most of the time they have a picture there or a sign there which is mentioned what you have to do what you have not to do okay so of course yeah it's it's it's it's nothing they don't write any that


that that's it okay okay, yeah that that's you're talking about like some kind of expressway or something yes there's then of course they have they they have to mention here but one one thing uh if if you say that ah some people don't notice but if they don't notice that's you can see some time they accident happened than that they you going in the one way and suddenly they say oh my god I'm going the wrong way and they just go to turn to other side


so that's really happened right so when we talk about the picture or signboard or banner it does affects it's really works if really people uh want to see something the eye catching yeah


okay okay then I think that's why that's why that's why we have a study uh since you are talking about the driving I think that's why we have to study for driving that's why you go there and learn something what the road sign is telling you yeah


yeah that that again again you see like just what I'm telling you let's say if the person is really not looking at the at the sign and you don't understand and suddenly if you go to other side of course accident happen and this of course its is good the signboard signboard is not there you don't know where you're going you it is really


ya okay I give you some one okay ah


okay I I'll give you one example let's say


I'd I'd I'd


yes that that's my point because if if we were talking about the pictures the pictures they really does affect its really works because if you see pictures of course you will find something yes is something is there let's say if you go somewhere if you talking about driving I will just say there one sign you will know oh this place I cannot park I cannot stop some time not every time word


if you if you if you really, yeah if it okay,


when okay when you when you go to the mall, I have a one question when you go to the mall, you see the toilet sign there is there written there toilet or it's just two pictures there for male and female what do you see then what do you see for the lift


it it's okay if you go in the mall they have a, one male one male and female picture there not it's a lower or something whatever it's there but it's not written there toilet, no and even if you go for lift they don't mention lift they will make one sign lift sign or they will make some uh escalator sign that you can see oh there okay so that's that's that's my point that the pictures really works even for your business even if you're selling something even if you're going somewhere


if you're going to go uh uh if you were at the airport if you see a sign of aeroplane of course you know it's airport is nearby somewhere of course it's there's there's ah really pictures really works that's my point


yes okay a word a word is you see I'm I'm agree with you a words is there yeah I understand words is there


I I I, I I have I have one question okay did the the the what you're talking about is I I'm not denying that is you're saying wrong but I tell you something if there's a bowl, and it's uh some smoke coming out or some like is something coming out what do we understand food right, nothing else you understand it's a food


it's hot yeah it's hot it's a bowl and it's a chopstick there or something there what you will think's it's a hot what, of course you'll understand it's a food, oh yeah for water also come into the same yes


but but where you where have seen that as a the people put that there no smoking very rarely they write no smoking what they will do one cigarette sign and cross that's what they do so that's the understanding


(mmhmm) okay


okay so what happen again again you see that again what is earlier we talked about like it's it's again that the same thing like individual, like some people really don't understand what the picture mean so sometime we really have to make the word but of course if you talk about some people most of the people I would say they understand what the picture is trying to say if let's say the bowl or something the rice there of course I will know


so it's in you see you see oh oh that's I mean it's really uh like some places we have to do that but most of the time pictures really does work if there's one logo or something there it really does work yes some places we really have to write like airport we write but just make a picture people will know oh this is the airport way


you see if you if you talking about the breaking now just what you're going the wrong uh different direction if you talking break breaking law people can break the law anytime even you put picture you put


if you put a write there something or you you you make a big uh advertisement also yeah no no so what what I mean what I want to to say that if you put the picture uh we talking about the picture does work so if I see picture I understand I won't do it if I put you write down there also


no if if no I'm not saying that on me I'm saying that if written there also some people if read also or see pictures still they will throw the butt the tree there so we are not talking about this if a picture is there of course if I someone they understand yes oh I cannot throw this do this I cannot do that l cannot litter of course they will understand


and the picture is really shows them no you can't do this but if a person want to do still want to do of course they will do it whether your picture or what there,


no, you mean the, you know exit entry


no what I feel no I know I know where you're coming from


yup, that's that's my point if the eh you know okay that's my point if you write there or either you make a picture there somebody has to go and still they will go and they still do that thing same thing right that's I'm I give it to you but it doesn't mean that the picture doesn't talk it does


picture does talk, I think I I think I believe talks a lot, if if I if I if I if I really no okay no okay okay one thing


yeah no okay for for me for me If I'm not, yeah but we will we're not okay


it it you see if the if people don't want to notice something if you write big words also nobody will notice okay I want I want what I'm saying that if you written in a big uh like big wording also people won't notice, if they don't want to notice they won't notice anything you put picture there you write there something it doesn't matter okay they won't notice anything there's something also there


yeah so merlion so


ah I that's that's really out of the thing no, yeah of course of course you have to know your where you're going yeah


for of course if you talk about attractions of course of


and then then of course there a search is there of course you have to if you talk about pictures of attraction of course you already have to search there is that you cannot just


debate topic three, okay everything grace desire for product


yeah okay, help can say encourages happen


now for me I believe if if you're talking about advertising something uh some people don't want to buy but if something really comes out very good like, sometimes its happened it is some yes its happened its happened, advertisement, that's why we're talking about advertisement sometimes if we really make the advertisement the way or we promote our products a way or the uh uh the person go to the consumer the way they promote their product advertise their product of course sometime the someone don't need the product they still buy its happened


it's a human nature sometime if you go to the market also sometime you don't need something you still get it its happened sometime you keep it what's happened because sometime some product we get it we don't use it but we see some kind of promo or some like some some attractive thing oh I I think I should get this its happened human nature we just go and buy yeah


oh, no so what's yeah what's the point here is the thing that advertising the way they make the product that you really need it, so they encourage you this way they they they make you this way they make you feel this way with the advertisement where okay this product I need it even you don't need but you feel yes


it works for me it's happened sometime it does work I won't say all the time I to be very honest not all the time but yes it works yes


of course that one you can complain that one we what we're talking about uh okay let's say, let's say somebody came some, yeah but somebody come to you


and and and suddenly they started to promote you something they advertise you something oh I have this I have that and at the end you find yes this product really works for me I find you don't know about this you don't need anything about this you never heard about it but some someone came to you or some advertisement come to you


that oh this product is really works for you so what happen of course then you realized okay this this machine is or this or this product is work for me this this particular model work for me and it's really something is good which is I can have, and it's good for me yes people do buy and people really go out go for it if they feel just this product is really something good for me it's new it's form very new and I didn't hear what it before and what it's making me yes I should have one and I really do it it's happened


yeah that's what I'm saying


yeah yeah yeah that's true no that that that's I'm I agree with you that's I'm no that that's okay not no okay ah that's I'm agree with you but one thing you notice one thing, okay what I'm saying to say like trying to say that it's it's it's never happened that if you advertise something and people don't buy okay and it's it's really sometimes it's a straight no I want to sometimes most of the time happened that some people don't really desire for something but still they buy and they don't needed it but still they buy


it's happened it's happened, yup it's depend again again what we're talking about what we're talking what we're talking about is the individual like it depends on the people that's what we're talking about


(mmhmm)


yup that that's that's that's that's


yeah again again again okay, , montblanc


so that that's the that's the advertisement called yeah that's that's the thing, of course the of what advertisement means is a business right it's a business


okay if you look at it okay we if you look at one side consumer one side business of course you could talk with a consumer side of course is of course you have a lot of points but talk about the business side of course is I will I believe that yours is just people


it's really change people mind yes it works and if they buy if they don't need the product they'll still buy they do that, but it depends on your advertisement how you advertise I heard rise your product that's that's my point and ah this rarely happens there's uh people buy the product they don't desire they don't need to get it but they way advertise yes people do buy


even they don't use they buy, ya so they buy they buy it's a individual again it's not every


but you can't stop everybody it depends on the individual again ah, yeah


yes yes that's the, so that's that's that's that that that's that's called advertisement, that's called advertisement that's called advertisement that's called advertisement yeah


yes, yup okay if you have to look at the point of view, yeah


get that that's that's the point the business, again again what I'm trying saying here if we talk about the consumer also right if they really like it if you something you like it if you have somebody come to you make you make you like you like I can have it either use it or don't use it they still buy the product advertisement work this way


yeah yeah that's the that's the question do you need it it they they don't yeah they don't need also still buy


yeah and I under I understand the question what you mean ah what I'm what I'm what I meant to say it's stuff it's happened that people still buy even they use or they don't use, it is depends on the individual I think you're not getting the question it's individual it's depends on the people uh uh we cannot decide for people that you can't do that sorry


yes yes that's what we're talking about it's individuals,


yeah yeah again again uh again if the person really give some some good thing of course they will go for it, yeah


again again you okay uh you what you what you said is coming to the same track yeah


that that that's what I mean that that that, okay what what was the question is that there it's not that they're talking about a hundred per cent or everybody of course everybody have individual choices right everybody decide their own correct so what this what I mean that if it's happened yes people do buy things even they don't need it's happened it's you can't you can't say that


oh no don't nobody will buy or nobody have it's happened people still do buy whether they did or they don't need, they still do buy the product and they still go for the uh, yeah that's that's a okay that that's a different story


but some some sometime people they they really uh uh happened that they like the product they become fan of that product might be that they don't don't need it also but it's still happened


we're I think we are not mentioning any percentage here we are just, no we're we're we're not talking about the percentage here yeah no we're not talking it is not that what you mentioned about what's the percentage here it is just mentioning whether people do buy or don't people will do need or don't need


okay it's it's it's might be some it's more a lot of people buy the product if they like it even if they don't need they do buy sometime they the promoter come to them eh I have something this one you can they buy


yeah even they don't need it just what I'm telling you that even they don't need it they buy, yeah it's happened, you don't think they buy still they buy they still they buy they still they buy it's just a lot of people they do they buy the product even they don't need it


at the at the end yeah yeah I really encourage them yeah make them yes, if they need or don't need that's that's that's happened it's a different thing yeah if if if they don't if they don't need also they still buy


yeah yeah they do they do yeah they do they do I'm saying yes they do that's what I'm saying here they do they do buy, even they don't need it, advertisement really make them


yeah yeah yeah again again this become the same individual we cannot decide for people individual, yeah yeah there's there's an individual might be it doesn't work for if it it


it doesn't might be doesn't work for the person a but doesn't does well for the person b, yeah


okay it happened to be the person a don't want to buy the things and he don't need he don't buy but person b he don't need but still buy the buy the product he is encouraging him he's mimicking him yes I should buy whether use or don't use


yeah that that's yeah is if it if it


yeah


I again again again it's again it's the individual again if you if people want to buy they will buy if they don't need or they need they still buy and and if they really like it they are encouraged then they'll still buy


if if people want to buy something they'll but you cannot stop anybody and then of course uh like if someone go to them and and encourage them that this is really good for you and they feel whether it's good for them by that time at the bargain they never use yeah don't use


ya but but when they buy when they buy that time of course it yeah


debate topic one, okay okay so, the topic is advertisements are of


fun entertaining but they rarely affect consumer choice is this your experience, well there are many advertisements around which are interesting and entertaining but they do not, affect, consumers choice for uh for purchase because some customers


or some consumers already know what they want and they only look at it as an entertainment value or just for it for viewing value nothing else they because they already have a a perceiving mindset that what they want to get what they don't want to get so it's just like an additional knowledge addition


no uh time passed uh uh factor, so I I stick to the point that it rarely affects customer choice


well for me its like like I said if you already have your preferred favoured choice of product, uh and you know that that it has been a pass down from generation to generation that's that's what human beings are they don't like changes so they're going to stick to what their favorites are they they may they may be aware of certain thing they know that there's a brand x and brand y but


uh they will still go with their preferred choice because people do not like changes they know what they want they know what they get they they know what they can expect out of something which has been used, before like for example like, if you ask me I'm an android user I will not use a mac product no matter how good it it is because I am just not uh uh


an IOS uh a friendly person that's it I will still go back to using my windows or an android uh phone because I I want to I want to use it to my convenience not for the the app, a IOS experience so that's what it is it's all about the experience and all about the uh the value for money


a factor that you'll get back because you know how to use it you don't need to spend time to to research on how to get this done where to get it from waiting time probably you know where the even the shop to get all this stuff is from so I think it's easier that way, because although an advertisements are entertaining


but it does not, affect any consumer choice because the consumers have already pre decided beforehand what product what brand they want to go for, if you like a samsung TV you like a samsung brand you will you will you will look at the LG brand with the other brands XYZ brand but you will still go for samsung because you know that your your comfort zone lies within samsung


that's that's pretty it you know that you know the features you know that you can you can you can connect to any Android product uh screen it on the TV that's how that's how it works, and you you know you have freebies coming in with it, why not


yeah but but android and samsung is not is not the same thing android is android for me my personal choice is samsung so even if it's vivo or anything it's my personal choice that even if I like the product but do I actually go and buy, uh uh the uh vivo phone no I do not buy any X YZ phone that's also using android as their application base my first preference will definitely still be samsung


so I have an example as well when it comes to uh uh products like telfast or zyrtec and everything end of the day we see all these advertisements they may even give us a samples to try but how many of us actually go to the to the counter to actually buy that


we will still go back to our normal paracetamol or we even might use the chinese medication oil medicated oil and stuff like that and it's always the same brand as being passed down from generation nobody changes their their their their choice of preference because they know that their parents have been using it and it works on them it is is something that is tried and tested


especially when it comes to medication or applications people try not to have a change because it is much more easier to to go with what you're trusted with, even like schools people also go back with with what their parents go to the to the school the parents will put the same the child in a similar school because they get they get benefits out of it so this is how it is no matter how good the school is but you look at it for convenience plus you also look at it for what benefits you get back


rarely would people send their kid very far away and to a different school which they have no clue about very rarely this happens, unless, unless they are very they are very rich or something like that you know, they always have their preferred choice there are there are thousands of universities in the in the world why do people only only shortlist three


yes in case people don't make it even the same for school so it like I said advertisements are there for your awareness but they rarely affect, somebody's personal choice for their conclusion to what they wanna get or what they wanna have in life


yeah but like we said we're not talking only solely about US here US is just one market the asian market is stronger and bigger bigger bigger than that


yeah but like like we said you can own you cannot only change a customer uh uh choice, unless they you actually get into their emotions people do not change their their personal choice just by looking at an advertisement advertisements are there for awareness that's why we not denying it let and some people give out the freebies but how many people


but how many people are actually, sorry


yeah, so its like like like so I was like I was saying is that uh you have to be emotionally uh involved with your consumer your customer, right there are so many people who actually just watch it as an entertainment uh value the fact that you actually give somebody a freebie does not mean that they're interested in your product you're just letting them try it out but end of the day it's their personal choice and many people


many companies have come back to say that, you know it it's not as success the first time or the second time it does take a lot of of of time for them to actually get into the the good, books of a consumer or actually convince them to change their mindset


okay just for example if I tell you today I have a house in in in the east area but you are staying in the west and you work in the west no matter how good the price is would you change your mind to actually buy the housing in the east no no matter how how good the price is because for you your the factor comes in as in


as in, transport yeah but like I said I'm I'm giving my point of view right here so like I said that's another example I gave you I for example if I tell you I give you a food choice you can choose between this this food choices but its something that you are not align to eating with you will not go with it you will also go what you personally like or you personally


uh prefer to eat or you just maybe you wanna have a change of mind so because it


okay let's let's let's let's talk about food let's talk about food that's the easiest debate right you have so many uh fast food restaurants fast food uh outlets in the world right you've got McDonald's you've got burger king you've got you've got uh uh what do you call that uh, KFC and all that stuff but


do you no matter how good uh McDonald is would you uh uh sorry no matter how good burger king is if you prefer, go to uh to to to uh McDonald's you will also go to McDonald's right you would not go to burger king, no matter how good their advertisement is that's that's that's a personal choice and that's also a very very strong thing because people don't like to change your taste buds alright


people always frequent their their favourite restaurant favourite bistro favourite bar because they find the comfort level in that that is statistics have proven that people do not change their their uh choice for this kind of things overnight or or just because an advertisement came up


they may try but they do not change it, that's what they said advertisements are there they are,


, if I were you you will have it one time or you will have it all the time after that you will still go back to McDonald's right, so that that that that that's what we're talking about that's why I said they are there for but they do not they rarely this is one of a time that's what my point is if oh advertisements are wide reaching


in not only in promoting consumer consumption of a good or cause but it's also for deterring customers from indulging in something, that is unnecessary for them get it it's it's there but it's not really, uh if, effective in influencing any consumer choice


that is why cars cars the cars what do you call companies decide that they should go with the advertising or not, they are just just entertainment factor


yeah but does that change your consumer choice that's what the question is all about does it change your consumer, choice no it's a one off thing that you just try but you will still navigate yourself back to your personal preference where like like


okay I'm I'm okay I'm fair alright I'm fair would I use a fairness cream no, correct but, if I pass it to a to a a person who's a darker skin right she may have two perceptions I'm happy with my skin colour or she's very upset that she's dark


she may go for the she may use it, right, but for me why should I use it I'm already fair enough correct or not how many how many people actually spend a lot of money on beautifying themselves but why is it that fairness creams are not something that people look uh after it's only those people like that come from a darker skin tone


darker skin tone are very well uh loved but some people just have a complex issue so there's so many advertisements out there so many powder so many creams out there but do people actually use it, no there are people like are boycotting it because they say that it's it's unfair to to people to judge so like I said there's the perception I can't hear you Niraj you're you're breaking up


no but not but here we are going generic you're we're not targeting a certain uh audience here they're here the question is, advertisements are often, uh entertaining


yeah but but the all do all dark people actually want to use the the the the cream, that's another story that's why they said its there they they know about it but, they don't it doesn't affect their choices that's what the whole point that's what I'm trying to tell you it is that it doesn't change its just an awareness programme that's all you know about it and if you think somebody wants to ask you something you will just say oh yeah I think I thought I saw the advertisement if you want to go get it go get it that's that's the mindset you see


your voice is breaking again


uh most people in the world do they trust their their their parents' instinct they trust the instincts that they've grown up with its easier to trust what you grow up with and some not just to trust something that is off the market


yeah I do, yeah the big one yeah there is a padlock there, I have it hanged, but that's no that's no longer prevalent in the market


no you no no you do not know the product so you will not go for it you will try, but, you it will still stop you you will try one time or you will just see you will ask for a lot of reviews like even if I wanted to buy this if I want to buy this also I want to check the reviews first I was not I'm not receptive to using it you see I just need to use it but am I using it daily


that's another question it does not affect a consumer choice, it's just that I have to get it because of whatever reasons that I have whether it comes in handy for me at work so that my I can walk around that's that's the the I'm still happy


but but yeah no, yeah but but how no that that that that does not change that that does not change the question, you don't you're not answering the question you see personal preference is not that it's not the question here right now it's about do advertisements


affect, the consumer choice ah my, I didn't see this on a on on a, advertisement I did not see this on an advertisement is my if my colleague who started to use it and he told me about it, so I did not I did not see, that's word of that's word of mouth yeah but because he just told me about it it is not that I haven't seen this in the market I have but he just told me about it that's it and it was me who decided what I wanted to get actually I'm happy with the ear piece the old school ear piece I'm still using that


get it today also I I I decided to use the old school ear piece I tried that it was not working so I said okay I'll just go with the old school ear piece so like I said, advertisements are there you know they are there okay they're there whether it comes in as an entertainment package or is that are just for you to when you're watching a film or you're watching a a series advertisement comes in people take it as a break time uh uh uh uh going to the to the toilet time getting their food time or just to relax time they did did they take it as that


or, many people actually just skip ads when you're on youtube as well so it's it's just there like I said it's there it creates awareness but it does not affect consumer choice it's I it's very it's very much does not affect consumer choice very


yeah like I said it works for certain people certain group of people that's it yeah


yeah so that's why the question that's what the question is all about a a valley effects so it's it's only a certain group of people so the majority of people it still doesn't affect them


thumbs up done, debate topic two


uh this one is what topic ah, ah okay I'm the opposition so yeah maybe Niraj want to go first because he's the proposition


okay, yeah, words can be powerful as well than a picture because uh it helps for you to decipher what's going on okay for example when you have a picture right, sometimes you do not know what the painter is trying to to uh talk


about what the picture is trying to tell you because it may not be that clear alright there's a lots of people who that's why you have art galleries correct you have people who are experts, who as you can understand what a stroke can mean what uh what what what what uh a wave can mean on a picture but you don't look at it that way that's why they're called the the art connoisseur of right so


err , words are more effective in reaching out to people than picture sometimes although pictures are there like a background, feature like just to beautify but if without the words right you may not be able to understand or comprehend what the picture is trying to say what it is trying to emote what is trying to express what it is trying to describe so it really depends whether you are able to catch onto the the or captivate someone's attention


you know


okay but being able to capture and show some display the the uh what you call that the words down there it it it actually uh captivates your attention then that's how you can actually get the get the idea what they are talking about


for example like there is a roads there is a uh expressways or there is uh what do you call that uh going to road shoulders right sometimes they also have the picture there, but not everybody actually looks at the picture but when you have the when you have a wording below that right then people know oh it's it's going right straight left or what or which which where's the location that they're going to how many how many meters ahead or something like that


you get what I mean just because you put a picture there, uh they may not uh understand


but that's also a picture what that's that's also a picture so you cannot you cannot you cannot you cannot choose what is a picture what's not a picture a picture anywhere is a picture a photo anywhere is a photo so like I said a picture is there to depict, something for you to understand it's for you to comprehend words words can describe and let the uh the person understand what they're trying to emote or trying to convey


because we are all literate we do not come from a stone age that we can understand hieroglyphs or something like that we're not egyptians you know the they are only understand that particular picturisation but even to understand hieroglyphs you need to be educated in that in that field you get what I you mean


they they were also using pictures but end of the day you you still need to understand the alphabets behind it right for you to form a word, you get what I mean so so so so so it's it's a picture is nothing without words it it can be it can be there it's there for you maybe maybe you you can relate to something when you when you look at it oh then you you resonate


to it more than a word okay oh I saw that picture yeah that instead of looking at a word probably that's the way like how maybe maybe a bathroom, sign a bathroom sign you have a male and a female so you just put a picture there so you know that is male or female but why do people still write women or gents out outside there's still a reason right


but then uh then you don't then you you don't go on a highway you don't see where you're going you don't see that you don't see where is the exit what's the exit number that's not written in a in a in a picture form that's written in word form


yeah I just I just said that yeah


yeah but you just said but you just said that they just look at the at the signs right so there's there there's, no names well so far when on the on on the road what they do is that they just they just uh they they don't read they just look at the logo that is why they have accidents so probably if you even have something written instead of of of just a photo probably it makes more sense


because how many people have actually in when when you have you have a a circle and you have a you have a a turning right and then there's a there's a there's a there's a, uh uh like you know a cross against its so how many people have actually just turned turned right correct by right they're not supposed to turn right what it's a it's a it's a no entry


it's supposed to be uh only supposed to turn left but but some people do turn right and that's that's because there is it's not written there no turning right only can go straight or can turn left correct, because not everybody understands or comprehends what what a a a logo can is trying to say


many people they even have the logo danger they put there a across sign with the devil's face there, still people go and touch what people still go and touch it right


but still right you have people who are who who who who have been driving for like generations correct but but they still get into accidents right, right they do right


yeah but, like I said some people okay there are different types of people in the world some people are, visual some people they need to read, so like I said it it it it depends on which, people you are actually targeting out, the world have different types of peoples who who who their their their their span of understanding is different way


some is visual some is graphic some is through audio some is you know it's different way pattern is different so but like I said without the the wordings right you do not know where you're going if I put if I put if I put a what uh uh a picture saying Ang-Mo-Kio yeah in in a in a in a picture would you know it's Ang-Mo-Kio


no, you would have to go and read oh Ang-Mo-Kio okay, if I need to go to avenue six I put there something, would you understand that's avenue six no you would you need me to go to to specify specification in, terms of words is very important photo is there nobody is denying it but


uh but, err err, words, explained the pictures it gives it a definition that you can decipher it you can understand it you don't need to think so much that oh what does it mean because like I said different pictures


and the people depict it differently even in schools for orals also no one kid will no two kids will say the same thing about one picture it's how you express yourself


well how many but how many people know about that, that's another story how many people are actually educated in the driving feel not many so some people don't even know so they they don't know that so if let's say they just start to to let's say they try for fun they want to just just drive their friend's car then the next thing you know really get into accidents that's how accidents happened children drive take the car out and they get into problems


there is it's male and female there there it is specifically mentioned there male and female it it it does not only come with a photo


yeah but but words don't you think words are able to influence people more strongly, that is that is why you have you have you have certain uh cluster of people who actually a lean more towards, their uh uh particular sector


you know I cannot I cannot I cannot explicitly talk about that because I don't think that's advisable but but uh but it's it's it's about it's about , okay like for example you will need to read up about certain things, okay if I give you an education say you want to be a doctor okay and you want to you want to study about cardiovascular disease and I just give you pictures to understand what's going on will you understand will you comprehend what's going on would you be able to grasp what they're actually trying to tell you no


because you need a method, for communicating and that comes through words, without words without penning things down simplifying things for people to understand you will not get the idea like I said pictures are for enhancement


for enhancement, no I could think that there's a that is that is hot


it could be water as well it could be telling me that it's hot don't touch it, yeah that's the thing there's so many different ways of of of comprehending it but the thing is that if I have if I have my wordings there that this is food and if I have like do not touch it that kind of thing although there is a picture there okay many people nowadays use a smiley face but what are you trying to portray with a smiley face


what what, yeah but, but they do they do okay okay, for example they even put the the similar signs on MRTs nowadays right they will be like uh please give up this seat they have a very nice logo


there correct and they even show the gesture but don't the write at the bottom please give up your seat to to people who need it more than you do, there are so many gesture uh uh I think in the buses also please move in, they they have a gesture to show in please go in but isn't it written at the bottom please move in to into the rear so that other people can enter


right


no but there are some people but there are some people who are dyslexic there are some people who are autistic there are some people who are just normal what I mean with normal is that they are able to to understand they don't have any difficulty okay I'm not trying to to to condemn anyone here the the thing is that, , it's it's for them probably for these people who are who are challenged a little bit like autistic autistic dyslexic yes for them pictures they they they they they kind of like


relate or resonate to them faster but for for people like me who who have who have a sharper mind who understand things in a different light okay who just like okay I looked at it and I know it for me I would I would I would instead of I'm trying to understand okay maybe maybe my my brain tells me it's this


but, my other brain my other part of the brain also tells me it could mean something else so if it's it's more specific it's more generic why why isn't that better, isn't that so much better even even in the lavatory right when you go when you go on a on a plane you have a green and red correct but


why do they still put open or closed, in wording, because some people just don't get it, they will still try to open, get it or not so it's simple thing is that you read oh only you process it, you read you process


how many times have you actually seen uh the thing on a smoking can that do not uh do not uh throw your your littered, butt, but people still throw their littered butt, last time they just put a picture, right


but now with the fact that they actually put the thing that you can actually close up and there is a written, uh wording there to actually explain that people have relatively stopped doing it


no I'm not talking about breaking law I'm talking about about paying attention to to to to the to the wording and to the picture this got nothing got to do with breaking the law I think you were going the wrong direction


that's you right you cannot generalize everybody


okay ask yourself this question I'm being very generic to you in a MRT station before you go into control station right you know there's a green sign and a red sign have you have you ever tried to actually tap on the red sign before I'm sure you have because I have done it myself, because of this I find that it might work


it has happened it has happened to a lot of people so sometimes it is you think that oh is not working or because sometimes there is a two way there is a two way gate, you think that oh it's gonna to work it's not gonna work it's gonna work its not gonna work it has happened to lot of people before so what I think is that if it's specific that it's not going to you see if there's also a picture there's also like a logo like a like a thing but it's still people still do it


okay how many how many test people tell you not to exit from a certain point, right it's it's mentioned there to cross no no exiting but people still exit, from there, because it is just human nature to go against, a picture


but when it's clearly mentioned do not do this right people oh okay do not do this


how how much does it talk how much how much does it talk how much can you decipher from from a picture if I give you a painting right now that is done by, probably what uh uh okay, like mona lisa, how what are you going to decipher from out of it mona lisa could be could be could be could be frowning but to you maybe she's smiling to me if I look at her her eyes could be moving where I'm going towards my direction but to some people it's not


right correct yeah, exactly so like I said it's it's a lot of things but if it's specific that oh you're supposed to look out for this, it makes more sense right that's why you have art galleries you have people who go there who understand this this this this world your voice is breaking your voice is breaking


really how many people have gone to the wrong place just because the of the logo say they want to go to the merlion in Sentosa but they end up at the merlion


at uh the the what do you call that in front of Fullerton, logo what it's a logo right I want to go merlion, I wanna go merlion correct, how many times have people gone to the wrong place, its a picture what I wanna go merlion


where where merlion uh people don't think that you're talking about the Sentosa merlion, they're oh merlion ah okay lah I go bring you go fullerton oh fullerton ah, there no I wanna go to the beach one, oh you never say Sentosa, oh must say ah got two ah


standard that's that's I mean I don't not supposed to speak in english uh singlish but that's what happens you see it has happened before it's a photo it's a photo, you okay you talk about marina bay sands now now there's so many things in marina bay sands you have the hotel you have the you have the swimming pool you have a lot of other things right correct so you must be specific you must be just because you see that doesn't mean that is it is it is that


you know what I mean or not to to someone who doesn't know marina bay sands they'll be like oh it's it's a it's a building it's a building, no, but but if but for you that's a a picture speaks more is more powerful than words what people should understand what


no a picture is a picture you cannot you cannot change it you cannot you cannot choose to to have it this way or that way we're talking about generically you get what I mean and I think it's times up already


debate topic three, okay this one I'm the what I'm the I'm the opposition


I am doing that for like forever with I'm just touching my phone, welcome okay yeah so uh advertising encourages a desire for products which, people do not actually need


[ho] I thought we really did this, earlier okay another time okay ya okay so uh okay for me like I said earlier in the debate topic one also advertising encourages people, to know what the products are there but it also okay the topic ah


how to say ah okay uh, yeah but it encourages people to to unnecessary buy things which they do not need


yeah but it is compulsive disorder already because you are just buying things you do not need you do not need to buy things that you don't need you need to buy things that you need, you see


so that's misleading yeah so that that doesn't mean that it encourages a desire, you know, for for things that they actually need, it's it is there for you you're just getting it because ah of being you know just getting to the mood or I just want to to splurge today


that's it it's not something that you need, you do not need that product but you're just buying it because you are having a disorder you're having you're having a a a moment that oh I and then it becomes a habit it becomes habitual for you to spend money to buy everything if you want to rely on advertisements


to to buy things that means you have a problem, you know you have a problem because, if every single advertising say if let's say I need to buy err I don't need this but I still because it advertise was so good so sleek but do I need it no


then I just go and buy then it's going to lie in my cupboard or my on my desk and it's gonna be extinct, in a in a couple of months because you know technology changes in so so fast these days, yup


yeah but to what to what extent to what extent do okay suppose I said I do not need, to to to to get a a burner, but then I saw advertisement oh it looks so nice then I get it now after I don't use it and then the next thing you know it decides to to to to burn my entire house is it worth it


it's something you don't need yeah it's you don't you don't need it right, so yeah so that's what they're trying to tell you it it creates a desire, for you to get some product which you don't need


the question do you read the question uh advertising encourages a desire for products which people do not, shirleen so it's not about is not about I'm talking about buying things on impulse okay just uh example you have a lot of celebrities these days who actually just put their brand on a particular product correct


and just because I'm a fan of that particular celebrity so what do I do, I'll go and buy, correct then what do I do I keep it in my cabinet oh it's it's it's, something that I I I I I uh, I adore because it's it's part of my celebrity crush


but do I need it, the question here is do I need it, no, I'm buying it because the advertising coming in so nice my my favourite celebrity is in the best looking suit or dress dress got background uh uh uh wind flying she flying he flying from one corner to the other she's coming out of a car you know just advertise of a perfume probably or a deodorant


or or maybe even a clothing, you know or a lipstick nowadays, make up, every every celebrity is selling makeup, do I need it I already have tons of makeup in my bag, have tons of new ones I haven't open, that's what we're talking about advertising just creates a desire for you to get things that you do not need you'll get it on impulse impulse means just getting it for the sake of getting it at that moment oh I want to get it but do you use it after that it becomes you you become a hoarder


a hoarder for all these kind of things that is what the point is all about so it's not good


yeah but but do you need to buy things that you don't need because you're just falling into their enchanting advertisement, that's it, yeah but you know people have basic needs what's your basic need correct


it's the same for every human being but your ones are different correct your basic needs are housing food, and, clothes these are the three things but out of three also you can decide you wanna what wear designer clothes or you wanna wear normal clothes you need to have a shelter you can have you can be living in a in a in a hut or you can we living in a in a in a posh bungalow up to you


you can have uh food you can eat normal food just plain saltwater uh rice also or you can eat at a posh restaurant, your personal choice but the other ones are like okay I need I want to get a car that's a want that's not a need because you have you enough public transport out there


so that's what the point is here do you do you buy things because the advertising is is there to entice you entice you means take you in into their into their marketing gimmick or what you call that uh, playing with your mind that oh you need this putting it in your mind that you need it but actually you don't need it because a lot of people actually buy things and then they keep it in their place it goes for years they didn't even look at it it's called hoarding


that is what that's why the world is going to have a very little place because people buy things that they don't need and then they end up throwing it away, get it and lots of plastics are being used to to to to keep onto this kind of products so it's polluting the world as well


you get my point so the thing here is that advertising just plays with your mind through marketing gimmicks through free gifts through a lot of other stuff to make sure that they make you buy things that you do not need just try to tell you oh you need it you need it you need it but actually do you really need it no


it's all playing with your mind, it's a normal pen if I can be happy wit a normal pen why the hell should I go and buy a, uh uh an expensive pen a parker or what's the other brands out there montblanc, I don't want to buy that a normal pen works for me why must I go and buy but it's a marketing strategy if you do not have this people do not take you seriously


that is what it plays with your mind you don't eat this you will not be you will not be healthy, you want to look like me you must eat this product, marketing strategy but people eat the product do they actually become the that person know it's all just playing with your mind


get it, yeah but you must you see that's the question here you cannot say that it it encourages business for that's their business, the point here is that advertising encourages desire for products which people are not


or do not actually need


what for that that's the point here they don't use it they don't need it they just bought out of, uh impulse, impulse yeah, it's it's not necessary it's unnecessary and the and and and it's quite detrimental to health as well like for example some people sell what uh advertising okay you have marlboro


!wah! the advertising so nice, but then, then people who don't smoke also end up smoking right but it's bad for health right correct but is it a need no it's a want, it's not a need, you don't need to have it then people end up going over and over again so that's why it's the advertising plays with your mind it's whether you're strong enough it's it's like I what we say advertising advertisements are good that just for for awareness


but, it also plays uh with uh your mindset because they use a lot of role models like celebrities people who are influential, for their products, so for to for for them to say oh if they can look like this or they can they can be like this why why don't I use this product but in the long run


does it work like okay, you have all these uh, formula one drivers right, uh mister hamilton, he is he is he is driving for petronas, he advertisers petronas uh uh fuel, do we actually use petronas fuel everyday do you think you can speed like an F one driver with petronas fuel no but that that's that's what is put in your mind right you use he's promoting petronas because he's he has been


uh signed up by by petronas he's endorsing uh petronas but it plays with your mind it plays with your mind it's not a need you can use a normal caltex what, you can use a cheaper a cheaper brand why you why must you go and pay for you're paying for a brand you're not paying for a need


yeah, exactly but that's what they're trying to tell you here asking the question is does it do you do they create a desire for you to use it although you do not need it so that's what my point is across right now you do not need it you're just using it because it's there it's just there for you the marketing gimmick is so good


right, but does petronas give you a lifetime membership no, petronas doesn't give you a lifetime membership, it just collects the money that you pay at the at the at the at the kiosk, right that's it, then then they tell you oh okay, thanks for coming to use us do you get royalty out of it you get dividends out of it no


it's just an idea for to play with your mind because if they don't do it they do not get the business that's all so it is a it's just it's just unnecessary yeah but that's not the point here I think you miss the point


yeah but the question here is do you need it do you need it that's the question here do you need it's not a need it's just a want, so they are just creating a desire for you to buy it without a need, that is the question here you need to understand the question first


yeah so it's bad so it's it's just it's just creating a desire for no reason


no we're not we're not we're not going uh we're not going, to that right now we are just going generic we're we're talking about one for all all for one we cannot if you gonna if you gonna divide this then the debate doesn't doesn't work out, you know we have to we have to understand that here there's a question being post and we're just answering based on that for for what factors that we think actually comes under the opposition or proposition that's about it so the thing is that you compare a product in terms of price quality reliability


and stuff, before you decide to get it, so with or without the advertising sometimes right be it what kind of advertising you know that you need to get it you will get it, some people do window shopping because that's another form of advertising, right they go there they just walk around and look around they see people on the road shows and everything but do they actually end up buying it they will just go there they will look


then they will go back but some people they get so involved in the sale, the sale process that they end up buying then after they come back, !aiya! why did I buy, oh my god why did I actually spend money on this I don't need it, you get what I mean it has happened to a lot of people at a lot of time


so, it's it's it's about understanding the whole process of how it works so, I still stand with the fact that, advertising encourages a desire of for products with people who do not actually need it, I don't need it okay, how many people actually uh uh uh uh uh


alert into buying a medical uh, insurance with a with a a class bidder when they don't want to go to a class, bidder because for them it's like !whoa!, as a class bidder I cannot I cannot afford, yeah yeah, yeah but but some people don't want some people don't want some people like privacy some people say oh my god I don't want to stay alone I I I I I I I'll be bored to death I rather I rather stay in a in a


in a b class or c class uh ward, it happens it happens some people are like that they're afraid of their afraid so yeah but but but certain people like but how many times that insurance, but actually made them pay more premium to buy to buy to buy a a a a class uh thing so like I said that's an advertising gimmick as well it's how you're being lured you're


yeah sure


but how many people actually start complaining after they buy already, after after after they have yeah so so that that isn't that isn't that also bad so doesn't that answer the question, yup, advertising creates uh encourages a desire for products that people do not actually need


yeah that's how many percent is that so if you go are we are we, we're going to talk about that small percent or the the large majority who actually have a problem with it, so you cannot you cannot you cannot switch your your debates to to to to to lean on a majority or a minority you know


you know there's no exactly but you are doing that's what you're doing because your my my basis so is more on the on the maximum although it's not mentioned there but obviously when you're going for a debate it's for you to actually lay down your pointers


yeah by liking it but do they need it that's the question here it's not it's not about liking here it's about it's it's about encourages a desire to buy something which you don't need


it's not about liking it and then after that using it they don't need it they don't need it at all, simple as that, yeah but does advertising encourage that that's the question here


yeah but but do they need it, that's the question here no no it's a question here do they need it, yes advertising encourages but people do not need it that's the question here so that's what I'm trying to relay back to you


yeah yeah so my my my point is that it just creates for something even though they do not need it which is unnecessary it's not a point for you to have it it's just there for no reason yeah


no I'm not deciding for people it's that's that's basically the point because advertising has the has actually destroyed quite a number of people if people can't tell you nowadays you got so many ads on this what, you buy stocks you buy this you buy that you will you will you will earn money right is it a need no but people get enticed by it then they lose their fortunes so yeah it has happened advertising does spoil a lot of a lot of lives


so that's what my point is here you cannot you cannot generalise that oh it's it's up to people no it's not


ya but but but does he know does he does he understand what he's getting into advertising is just advertising is nothing else you know but that do they need it you need you need to be educated in a certain form or way for you to actually get there that's what they said they are just encouraging uh a desire for products which people do not need