part three debate topic three


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yes one thing is uh there's only so much that student can learn or practically outside of classroom


there will be various subjects that need to be learned within the classroom itself mathematics , how do you learn, trigonometry right


differentiation integration out of a classroom, physics right or the, formulas in the physics calculation how how do you calculate it out of the classroom or chemistry lab physics lab you will have to go to the classroom or go to the laboratory and


really learn this lesson itself so there will be a limit of, what students can learn out of the classroom yes out of the classroom will give them fresh air uh feel better


a little bit away from their routine and make them happier less, get rid of boredom, but if you ask yourself when they sit for the exam do they sit for the exam outside of the classroom or inside the classroom so they will still be sitting their exam in the classroom


so, outside is only to inspire them a little bit that's about all, having said that one thing very interesting is COVID nineteen so how are we going to bring our children out of the classroom


it's dangerous we will get them all infected they must put on mask they must be segregated distance apart, so is it really worth the risk when now we are talking about home base learning right so is there a more cost effective way of


learning right zoom learning interactive learning virtual learning so , outside of the classroom could not also mean on the computer itself uh virtually so so do not take it as a physical space outside


so at the end of the day, err, we must still bring our children back to, the ground tell them that you'll still have to sit on the desk and do some work


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actually these days children are very independent they go out with friends go out with family and in fact they prefer go out with friends go out alone right enjoy themselves out of the classroom they already doing a lot of things out of the classroom


and and some uh, uh, people who don't study they say that I got a degree from uh, uh, the social university, right uh they they they they they never even attended school so the the society is their university so


there's already a lot of things out of the classroom their parents bring their children out for work to the greens greeneries, so that would be quite sufficient and do not have to really over emphasize on too much learning out of the classroom


, certain part may be out of the classroom but really we we still the main part of the studying will be the classroom itself, which is why


schools are being built this way with classrooms, with ah


yes uh like drone maybe fly out of the classroom they got more space to fly the drone out of the classroom but having said that


how how does a drone work how to control a drone so there'll still be a some parts where you the the teacher got to teach them the mechanics behind the drone within the classroom uh so


so that the student know okay so this is the engineering behind this drone how is the signal, controlling the drones and, all the workings so there need to be a balance uh not totally everything out of the classroom


and yes


so you see after the students get out of the classroom to have a hands on experience in flying the drones


there's a good uh very few good factor happening at that stage where they they see after the first two lessons how a drones works the third lesson of flying that drones out of the classroom makes them happy


but how do you think the fourth lesson should be do they continue to feel very happy flying the drones and enjoying keep enjoying them-self or should they be going back to the classroom to to uh think how will the drones work better how to be uh future


designers of drones engineering the drones making it smaller market fly faster soak they will still have to go back to the drawing board, which is the classroom because I'm the opposition you see


so they will have to go back to the classroom still, to learn how to make the drones fly fly faster so they they cannot be continuously be outside of the classroom enjoying themselves oh I can fly this you can fly that we can fly in the same pattern


so, they could be this illusion if they are forever out of the classroom enjoying them-self and not knowing why is it that they go out of the classroom, it is to help them go back to the classroom design a better drone so that they could sell it right they could be engineers of the drone if they get out of the classroom it is only to test it


that's all and and yeah


yes I'm, yeah you you see ah flying an aeroplane a pilot will have to go through lesson which is in the classroom


so so so, it's not say that ah they can straight away jump fly the plane out of the classroom, so a classroom is still a very formal setting for learning lah, and


we always think that outside the classroom means uh practical hands on experience actually in today's concept it doesn't have to be the case that way anymore because flying an aeroplane


they do not even have to go to use the physical aeroplane itself they could go to a classroom with a virtual with monitor with cockpit set up and they could be flying with screen so this is the development of the modern day classroom


so it do mimic the real world but uh in a safe environment


so which is why a classroom is very important for all this because it give them a safe environment before they go out in the real world


so imagine a pilot ah, try to fly an aeroplane during a storm, and say that go that's the real world, so which is why a classroom is important they got to learn the lesson of how to pilot the plane in stormy weather or these days a virtual classroom a virtual cockpit with the screen and all that so it is still a classroom


I'm not yeah, so I'm the opposition you see, thank you


okay


, part part one debate topic one, okay today the topic will be school should consider subjective and non-academic factors for admissions so I'm on the proposition


so I will talk about that the school should actually consider only non academic factors, okay in singapore for the admissions okay in I think in the past or a a a few weeks ago uh sorry sorry about that uh I think it's quite sometimes ago our ministry of education


had actually Heng-Swee-Keat has say something that all school actually can be a good school there shouldn't be any discrimination, that uh some student are doing better than the other students coming to say that some well to do student is true that


they are able to actually afford better education in a sense that because of the family background like they can actually go for more tuition you knows you know even for uh other uh outside classes to actually make them a more rounded


students but having said that I think that every one of us have different side of our talents uh I would like to take some example like one who are not scholar but yet they had made a great achievement for singapore


like uh Joseph Schooling he just won the swimming you know the gold medal for singapore I think this is a great achievement that singapore can witness having to say that ah in order to actually achieve what he had


he had so far uh for singapore that had done a great thing singapore actually the family, had to send him oversea which is at university of texas to learn swimming uh the reason is because he can't actually excel his swimming skill in singapore because there's no school that actually they were actually would train someone up


so currently he'll be take part in the Olympics so , so actually for joseph schooling, their parent just have to sold the house and to send this child oversea and of course with his hardship and you know the very tedious learning he ah he had actually


get a gold medal for the Olympics I think because of this singapore was very proud of him and this is a good example to say, though he's not a scholar but he has achieved something great for singapore right and I think this uh I think this is what everyone should acknowledge beside that other example would be the singer


like JJ Lin Olivia Ong Stefanie Sun okay they are, actually born in singapore but the thing is that they are not groom in singapore okay


why because there's no such education system they say that oh you can, we we want you to be a singer you know so that you uh be uh get onto the streamline of the you know singapore system


where uh then so coming to uh understand that so all this singer actually, they went overseas to Taiwan to start their career so of course some years of struggle and they're really make their framed


the in Taiwan but uh singapore of course keep on like uh feel very proud that because they are born in singapore they are singaporean, but ah all of them scholars no they're not they're just like someone with talents but as they are not really recognize in you know uh and they no need to be very


uh academically uh very excel so uh what I'm trying to say is that schools should consider non-academic factors for admission as well so I think that uh this is the point that government is trying to drive in right


okay uh ya okay, understand on your parts that you are saying about fairness standardisation and you just now mention that uh joseph schooling


how to we judge that whether he is like up to the standard when he want, the gold medal so, everyone applauded for him okay and he make himself famous overnight so I would say that this is already a great achievement that everyone can witness


uh coming to standardization so what do you mean by standardization do mean that when a person who become a scholar and, then he was uh start to work, in the society and when he get a five C you know five C


would be your condo credit card cash and uh some some other see lah ha maybe so all this thing, is that justified enough to say that this is the standard that everyone should look, into I I think this is quite a tunnel view if if this is going to persistent


in the long run for singapore so all the students or all the students, in singapore they just like been looking forward into like okay when I get into uh when I, score A's you know for all my result then I become a scholar I get into


good school then uh I my aim is to actually (mmhmm) to to get uh the other uh in uh in the, how to say in top of the society to have the five C so do you think that this is the, ultimate motive that err we we have groom our next generation for to understand that they have attend the great achievement in life uh


understand that singapore as a financial hub base we have no other natural resources actually human it just our natural resources so is naturally that understandable that singapore, we are trying very hard to groom our generation you know the young generation


making sure that they are actually able to makeup makeup the standard and they can actually uh gain something out in the globalized market okay so but if we only


based on that oh it will only based on that sorry just now it was blackout uh or my screen a little bit, hello


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ya, okay having say that ah what you mention about overseas so you know that uh robust study actually had done by the Harvard policy ah journal, they concluded that the current schools' admission in singapore is actually co-related the social economy system


what I means that is that uh there's a widespread belief that, there's always a casual relationship between students background and the school, they attend like uh a well to do, student like let's say the raffles there always can do better


so for the national exam, so if this is the case do you think that it's justified, for uh families that come from well to do background, that because they are can afford better education like maybe they can been sent by the parents for more tuition all those thing then they are doing well


okay so if this is only the way of like admission by the school based on the, or academic then they're going to ah actually screen a lot of talented people as just now I mention


yet, so in the case yup , I think that open debate now right ya okay


(mmhmm)


well if you say singapore can't but why other countries like maybe US University they can do that they're actually evaluate the students more holistically like using the grade just as a


factors but also seeking the diversity of like the background is those students uh maybe the population, so I I would say that academic it just a, very a very how to say ah small is a is a very how to say ah surface factors


to uh judge the admission for the students okay ya


part two debate topic two, uh hi today my topic will be Chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language so I'm the, proposition so I will talk about uh


Chinese dialects I understand that nowadays voices had been constantly called for the return of dialects okay recently there has been some petition going on


that uh they want to re-introduction oh, actually sorry sorry how come it, sorry jump out and then it come back again so the screen like how to say it it was off and then it


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part two debate topic two ah so the topic will be Chinese dialect should be offered as mother tongue language, alright okay so I'm the proposition so I will talk about the the point why we actually should have mother tongue


as dialects uh voice have been constantly call for the return of dialects of in decent year there's some uh petition, actually asking for the re-induction of dialect on local, TV and radio so recently I'm sure that during the CB period like the circuit breaker we have the


the what ah ah the <mandarin>舞台:Wu Tai</mandarin> show or something like that by the <mandarin>梁智强:Liang Zhi Qiang</mandarin> okay so actually you can hear a lot of dialect speak, in uh open a show and they, actually was well received uh a lot of audience actually gave a very positive feedback they was very pleased that actually they can hear something that's really closed and very native to them


why we actually want to use dialect should be as offered as a mother tongue uh I think dialect is a very leaving language like younger generation, maybe grow up in a very like us in


singapore is very English, dominated environment, and most Chinese singapore, feel the need to retrace, uh their cultural, uh heritage by re-connected to the


respective dialects okay, so I will say that, ah Mandarin was not a true mother tongue of most household okay when it was first introduced ah


it was likes uh when singapore you know after they become independent then they will, think that uh at first mother tongue wasn't that uh emphasize


and everyone was using dialect, at, oh sorry it it again come out to my own screen I don't know why after recording for awhile


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okay ok sure sure okay okay, uh understand uh what you have said Chua-Chin that you are worry about that uh because the previous worry you you're talking about as the as it might affect the young


in their learning of English and Mandarin I don't think is a big issue as beliefs uh actually there's no harm in taking steps to give dialect the rightful spaces they deserve in our culture and lives, they are actually having dialect Chinese dialect offered as mother tongue language we can actually see a lot of benefits like uh one of them will be is a bridge to learning the mother tongue when I say is a bridge means that


uh why just now you mentioned that actually would it make our Mandarin worse the students worse okay it's not, mandarin and dialect actually they shared the same written characters so actually it even improve their learning when they learn the dialect in the written form okay it's only when we speak when we are speaking differently but when we write it's actually the same thing


okay then also all the Chinese language like belonged to the same language family, so it's actually is much easier to exposed to a dialect, when young uh, rather when they grow older like my age then it's difficult to pick up


also uh understand that you mentioned about uh something else like , beside uh you say there's beside actually weakening their english and mandarin, I think also by introducing dialect into the social


and our home environment, student will have more, general interest in the chinese language and culture, so it's not only like bring up the Chinese standard as well the students had uh more understanding of their culture where they come from let's talk about maybe ah


some even for Chinese when they came from China, they speak very united the kind of <mandarin>普通话:bu tong hua</mandarin> the Chinese but the thing is that, they must know, which part of china they come from is only when they speak their dialect, there we understand they are from which part of China okay


so uh so you were actually re-route where they come from and I, I think this is what actually have accent, singapore we are Chinese but most of us do not know we come from where because we lost our our very intrusive Chinese dialect okay


so our in here of course I will say that making Chinese as a part of the daily life is very important , ya and if can be make into a academic subject as our mother tongue uh beside that I was say that is also in


important to have the Chinese dialect because it enhanced the inter, generational communication in our ageing society right so we have to try to avoid the communication between the young and the elderly


so it's important that we we must actually educate the youngster to learn to speak dialect now okay ah when you talk about our schools all those thing where they bring out where you can also focus on the dialect in media


oh, okay like media recently we have watched the great great world the Da-Shi-Jie okay so you can see that most of the dialogue is in dialects, and and actually a lot of the audience they like they give a very positive


ah feedback on this movie because they can feel that they're still a bonding at the deep sense of identity when they watch this movie the identity come from the association with the dialects


okay where they have been loss for many decades okay so many singaporeans feel the nature part of their identity has, had been lost and now they finally found it back okay well


okay when we talk about singapore we'll always say that singaporean are very bilingual because we know mandarin we know english, while we compare to okay let's say we compared to our neighbor country just Malaysia okay our neighbor country you know how many language that can speak they can speak English Malay some even Bahasa ah and also they can speak various dialects


they are very well versed in Cantonese although they are not Cantonese but if you ask most majority of the Malaysian they understand and can speak very well Cantonese okay, their their dialect are not ban in their media so I would


as compare singaporean to Malaysian I would say that actually Malaysian have the stronger, grab of multiple languages then singapore they are multilingual and we are only bilinguals so, coming to that compared to our neighbor country uh we are


nothing to be proud of our strong language we always think that we are very strong in our English and Mandarin all this thing only but you know when we lookout to our neighbor how, how many languages a person they can speak


so uh so even like a bilingualism like us seems to be also, uh declining why I say that because most of families nowadays only choose one language they have a preference towards English only


alright so I will say that no mono-languages lah instead of bilingual yeah quite sad because to see our young generation actually uh lost the sense of, their language usage they only dominate and you know they can do very their English environment but you know and you know china is uh it is going to be uh a great uh dominant country that


will be very globalize in business all those thing, so let's say if we going to groom out our younger generation to set up or their business in china if they only know their mother tongue do you think that they are enough


to uh actually craft into the market, by not able to speak the dialects of the people there yeah, so uh in order to have a greater in our say I'll actually propose that Chinese


dialect should be offered as their mother tongue language in, singapore for the greater benefit of our younger generation, ,


well I think that it's never too late to start the system, yeah, ah let's take for hong kong do you know that their MRT and their railway uh their roads


they are using uh their own kind of Cantonese way of translating it so so to make it more interesting like you know we can always like we we once after we had rolled out like uh having Chinese dialect as their mother tongue language in future


we can make our roads also very interesting like now also we have like uh we have to spell it out in or to uh pronounced it in Hokkien then some of the road names would make sense, you know so uh I I can't code an example now but I know that in other countries they have been doing that


so actually it reflects the the intrusive values in the country yeah this is really where we belong, to, and and it's not through the uh through through only by


going into the mainstream of Mandarin and English okay, because I I would think that is very important and valuable for the next generation, to know their mother tongue so that you will not get lost in future yeah is not only for the benefit


uh of only singapore but I think for generation or even for, in future


part three debate topic three, okay ah today the topic will be learning is best outside the classroom okay I the I'm the proposition uh well learning is always interesting so especially for children


they like to learn outside well if you're take and and is healthy for them when they're, go outside and have sun you know make themselves uh they would like to roll themselves and and engage uh in the learning process so it become relevant when they go outside let's talk about taking art lesson so if you just do art in the classroom set up


the students will find it that okay well ah yes I just like in a classroom setting like okay listening to the teacher may be just demonstrating how to draw the art all those thing that is not very engaging, it's always saying that when we come to learning in the classroom is only do sense thing do sense is no like seeing and hearing uh and then but when you go outside is more than do senses uh because is like


you will be more engaging when you have your hearing smelling feeling touching, so students , uh even for adults they become observant to the environment so


is very relevant to where they are in and, actually it's regulate the creativity and imagination, right so uh let's say you want to draw about the landscape, okay


ah because I myself I take up some art, lesson so I will feel the difference when actually I did it in the class and when I did outside the classroom, the you can feel that is entirely different kind of mood


and also the results of what they're drawing is also, presented different entirely very different, ah students will only learn in the classroom they just like, copy what the teacher is trying to say and and it when it comes to the classroom is the is so structure and students tends to kind of feel dry and it tend to actually


lockout knockout maybe by about twenty minutes because according to the study hour spend of concentration is only for twenty minutes, most of the time and our mind tend to switch you know here and there all those thing, uh because they find that it's a always very repetitive the teacher is talking all this thing so when they're out of classroom the context is different the environment is different is not only the teacher is talking


know about something else that where they are also uh absorbing the environment around them so uh, this actually there's an influx of the creativity and the imagination in the students themselves


so our old, always advice strongly that students should go out to have the lesson, uh rather than in the classroom, ya


oh well if you talk about COVID nineteen I think that this is not a very good time to talk about of course, because of COVID nineteen everyone need to stay at home we have to be aware of the viruses but we as a human being we're all social being we liked to interact with one another


right so why we want to use zoom the reason is because we want interaction if we still want to see each other maybe for the purpose of the work or maybe really for meeting or uh maybe you need to have a chit chat with someone


okay because we need to socialize yeah as a human being we are naturally we can't like uh like like actually uh segregated from each other for too long


but just now I want to actually take one factor you say that actually in the classroom and outside the classroom when they're inside the classroom they're more resources I would actually, disagree with that because outside the classroom we have actually limited resources


uh let's say you want to draw a tree so instead of you bringing out, the children to see the tree so the teacher will maybe show a slide okay this is the tree let's draw a tree today so the the student will be just okay I just draw the outline of a tree so everyone will be drawing all the identical tree okay the same shape the same leave the same colors so this is like a photostacking machine


so , in that case the students like cannot, have their own creativity they would not actually try to observe oh actually the tree shouldn't be like that actually it can like when the wind blow actually the leaves will flow to you know will actually ah maybe uh swift to one side and and the leaf vain it'll be different or the reflection is different


that is how to learn, turn to uh how the students learn to observe things in their real life, okay it's true all this learning based when they're outside of the classroom okay so if you going to only restrict the student in the classroom


I don't think that's for myself okay I don't think that the attendants will be high because like we we don't like things that are too structured okay so just like you mention about a COVID yes during the CB people have


they have to stay indoor because this is like , the rule and regulation but once the phrase like open up like one and two and even now people start to okay I want to go out already I want to even go to cinema like people just want to flock out to the steamer immediately


even though they know that there's a risk of getting the infection, so actually these say that people still want to get out of the the structure they don't want to only stay in the classroom to learn, ya is out of some reason they have to do that


so especially for young children if you are given a choice the parents always want them uh want to bring out know bring them out to the nature to have a closer touch with the environment the nature environment there


rather to stay indoor okay it can make a child healthier also right,


ah okay, okay uh yeah understand, okay ya no no no okay ya


I have actually conducted classes in two set up one is the having the science experiment in the classroom and the other one is outside, the classroom okay the reason being that why you need to be outside the classroom because we are doing some experiment on uh uh on the fire so


for safety reason we can't do it, in the classroom definitely and even the school were not allow there so that's why when we did it outside the classroom the students are very engaging, they don't want to get closer oh no no matter how we sound it to them oh is is you cannot get close because it dangerous all thing but they're so interested to learn


when they are in the classroom and haven't say that uh some of the environment doesn't allow you to conduct in a classroom let's say about drone do you think that we can do it in the classroom, your drone will be keep on hitting the ceiling and then the whole drone will be will be damage so some sometimes some of the thing you need to be outside the classroom then you can actually proceed the learning


ah yes


yes I agree with you that uh is have a balance sometimes yes the drone parts where we ask them uh how you manipulate the drone ah yes all this will be the teaching side, ah will be done in the classroom of course but this is just like uh maybe we are stretch out in let me see three lessons maybe first and second lesson you it's just to let the student understand


the overall concept of the drone how it works but when they come to the third lesson that is the most attaching part which the students are always looking forward to because they know that they would get out of the classroom, and they know that they will have their hand on their drone and they can control their drone


when they are so engaging outside uh you you can always hear that the students like have a lot of laughter you know the the the atmosphere, atmosphere is so uh bursting with laughter all this thing is so different when in your classroom even the teacher enjoy so much when you're out of the classroom with the students


when they are having the drones lessons, ,


yes


but ya, but wasn't you agree that all these uh experiment and all this playing is only


through this then the students will learn how to control the drone better, when they are only in the set up of the classroom is just like literally just know about like okay how to do this how to do that you know it just like on a very surface kind of learning


and and they may not like uh have a hands on experience just like you want to learn to fly an aeroplane you may have a lot of theory, but after you pass the theory and I'll ask you a question uh #chua chin# do you know how to fly an aeroplane


ya having to say that is too mimic the real world as you mention mimic the real world that mean is not the real world, that's just like a stimulation, so when you get into the plane and you fly, is different you will meet different kind of weather maybe there's a hurricane and what you should do at that point of time do you always fall back to your virtual learning you have to based on your real life experience that how you gotta encounter that that uh maybe unexpected weather


ah virtual learning , , okay understand, okay


okay, in the age of the internet TV and newspaper have become irrelevance


okay so for myself I actually I disagree on the like err newspaper is actually more and more irrelevant I mean


to err to be honest that err I mean internet I mean just if if everybody just view through internet right basically anyone can actually publish any information about any subject, but the disadvantage actually come with err negative that not all the information that is on the internet is actually correct and it could be people just thought of it and it's not err what is supposed to be


but however in err for newspaper definitely for am I mean before they publish anything definitely there is somebody who actually vet through it and actually check through before they publish it and we can be also can be very sure that err there there will be no grammatical or any information errors that could be in the published err newspaper


so I mean, also in the newspaper I mean in newspaper articles right usually err you will be actually taking information from those who actually have some sort of experience there are very experienced in their own field and they actually give their opinions and they actually err the newspaper would


compare to internet basically is it could be from someone who actually is just a blogger and he just know something but his err probably, how he think and probably probably he have only have a bit of err experience with it so I mean for myself is like when I reading a newspaper right err the experience in is definitely times much better when err because the quality of the writing in the newspaper is definitely higher and


as a reader definitely I can just I can be confident in the accuracy and can trust the information on it and another thing about err newspaper is that err they actually how to say they actually like put them into different section and as, everything will be in one information


so I I if you compare to internet internet you can actually a lot of information could be you can find it everywhere so some could be err like for example if if I say that err, apple is poisonous then some some could be say is is not I mean there isn't a very focus there isn't a very certain point it could there is a lot of view and you don't know which one to trust as a reader


so for myself is as a reader err if I just read from the newspaper I can straight away find whatever I need in within my finger points so everything will be in one source, and for TV wise I would say definitely TV okay more more and more actually more and more people actually going through like err netflix probably some others but I mean


but then TV actually is nowadays err there are still people who actually still watch them like those older generation because to them err they don't know much about technology, so like my mum who's still watching like the those taiwanese drama through TV that is their best I mean easier for her to actually get through instead of using internet because she totally have no idea how to use it


yeah


okay yes definitely I mean referring to germany I mean definitely needs people definitely err mean they actually have all these e-subscription but then


to be honest uh sometime newspaper I mean you can actually just get it with your hand probably when you go to work in the morning some people will just distribute it to you, so is much more accessible and some people to be honest sometime I really ah like most people they actually like the feel of holding something instead of holding your phones and


younger generation definitely they like err phones more but then for older generation like err probably manager level of who is looking at those news there's some err newspaper usually will contain most of the information, like for if I just look from my phone sometime I might miss out a lot of things because it's everything is squeezed into this screen you see so I might missed out a lot of information so there's I mean there's quite a number of people who still prefer a physical


err news and then another point I want to say is that for TV right is I mean, TV is err not just for the, err actually is there another good point about TV is actually is much more smooth err in terms of the issues because like when you watching a TV you like especially watching soccer and stuff is actually much more smoother


because like especially err like those big-budget events or what whatever you don't want to have any internet problem because if you see through internet sometime my internet have some issue then I'm when I'm watching live, err on my internet is actually much laggy and if I watch it in my TV actually the quality is so much better I can err and


in a television some more you can have your TV there is like sixteen err sixty inch or even larger and it's for your own as I mean I would say is depend on the user experience, if I want just want to watch on TV itself, yup so yup that is the point that I think of then ya then internet how to say a lot of


although you have err like there's a lot of local shows , how to say it's like if you want to err the if you want to watch the first time I mean straight away when it comes out you definitely err TV will straight away shows instead t err for internet I think you have to wait quite a few days before they actually upload the video into it


yup that's my point


yeah okay because for TV I mean from what you said, mean mean even netflix right I mean even if err TV right you can actually have those smart TV as well so you can actually have everything you can still watch it in the t err in your own TV netflix you can also watch it in your smart TV


then I mean no matter what is you are still I mean internet you are still depending , on a third party software then is like is the experience in is like it's still in that small screen ours there for internet-wise if you are watching then I'd I mean if I can I'd rather sit on my sofa and I don't have to


and I think it's err I don't have to configure anything because in if I want to watch on my err laptop I have to set up a lot of thing I have to uh do a lot of configuration but then , on my TV I just need to change to a channel and that's all I can straight away watch whatever I want you to see


then for newspaper , okay I mean definitely I mean all these subscription definitely is okay attractive yes but then for older generation no matter what they still don't know how I mean they still don't know


how to I mean use it to their, it's not so I mean to them is not very user-friendly because they don't know how to use it and internet if I but for newspaper if I want to err find certain section I can straight away move to it for internet be probably have to


err do a lot of searching to find the page and is to them is very hard to actually , are get used to using internet as to read their news, then ya so I mean at the end of the day I mean I would say that uh whether TV and newspaper whether is relevant I mean


at certain point yes but then you can we can still use I mean we can still have it for depend on the individuals and depend on the age group, so actually depend on the individual's choice lah I mean it's better I mean for myself I don't mind to have a TV and I just don't mind so still err watch stuff on my TV or newspaper I mean


sometime if it's just so err convenience for convenience sake I will definitely use err if the newspaper is just right in front of me or my phone probably if I want to check something yeah then I will use internet but then if the newspaper is right by me and I can just briefly go through like certain topic like


soccer or whatever yeah I can go straight to your point that's all


people have the rights to remain anonymous when portrayed in media


okay so my point basically the first point I would say is because I mean if you stay an anonymous yes in the media yes but then the thing is is kind of like err you're hiding behind a screen and this actually allows and sometimes actually encourage err this user


err I mean any user right these people right to actually err to say and do things that they wouldn't do it in personal and this actually in the way motivate them to actually err say something more offensive, or probably more nasty in online and probably to another person and this could I would say that sometime they they might err actually just


type err the those keyboard warrior they just type anything and just verbally err online just verbally abuse, anybody especially like those celebrity or or those anyone and if I mean if I mean if people I mean some people who actually read all these comments about celebrity who actually read all these comment about themselves they they will feel very negative and this could actually lead to them actually err


some celebrity as as you can see there's quite a number actually go into suicide and actually take their own life I mean because it's like all these online pressure like everybody just give their thought like saying that they're being a slut or being a bitch or whatever on and they feel very negative it give


err these usual actually have a very negative thought, in the as a whole then another thing is, but staying anonymous right basically o err some some people could be using err err because they staying anonymous they can be using another account or another name err probably doing some illegal stuff


or they could be doing some uh on err, like there isn't a a way to actually track them because they are staying anonymous so they can do any illegal stuff or trying to cheat, while trying to err make people believing them then after that probably some people like err asking people for nude photo or nude video I don't know it could be


it's it's quite there's no way that people can stop this if they're if everyone can stay anonymous and another thing is , is more on the topic on the terrorism because if you stay an anonymous some err some people will stay anonymous and then they will try to spread their ideas of terrorism


and try to spread all these thought online and people actually some people actually would go into actually believing them and even if the government want to stop them there's no way they can do this because , everything is stay anonymous they they they have no way to actually track them


yeah so I mean it's bad yeah okay go to jeremy


okay yes but a err because I feel like because anonymous yes to certain extent maybe yes but then for certain point like because most I mean I would say majority of the social media user right actually they're very more engaged in


political spread and there could be a horrible insult on despite the fact that the target of their harassment could be just, err click on their real names and real photos and see who they actually are so I mean if if we can err if their stay anonymous I mean it's so that if they are because some people they will just anyhow say about political stuff and stuff and or even like


the recent one probably like err but about the race about the political about our race like some err the radish I I can't remember from the workers' party she actually talk about the, rich the race and stuff I mean if she beings is I mean for this that I know is she is being stay as anonymous


no one will know ah, who actually spread this and she can just stay free out of it and she can just speak everything about PAP and just say PAP is, not doing this good not doing this but they can just talk about err about race inequality and stuff and this actually cost a lot of problem I mean nobody can find out who are who are they


I mean that's why it's I would say that to stay behind a err to stay anonymous is kind of like a very coward move I would say and it's actually called err and I feel that right err even if


like in err certain study at twenty fifteen field study err american who have surveyed actually felt that they're torn between privacy rights and ensuring national securities and most of them actually are very concerned about, err the government about all this an anti-terrorism and race policies that hasn't gone enough to actually protect their citizen so


I mean online privacy is yes you can have it to certain extent but then when it comes to very sensitive topic you can't have people who can just walk free without knowing their identity you see yeah that's how I feel lah


yup, that should be all for me


but the thing is right err mind can I cut in err because


I mean for for I mean for that person you mention right they actually can err how to say they don't have to give the real, err information you see he can he can they I mean they don't have to put it as anonymous I mean if she don't want to expose herself in a way she can just put any names or put any err sex or whatever I don't know so that people won't be know won't know that it's her I mean she don't have to give the whole


full information about it, yeah so you I mean you there's a definitely is I mean it's, fight for all this cause definitely it's okay to have it lah but then to a certain extent I would say it's not for all the side I mean depend on the I would say it's depend on the side lah ya


but I mean you don't really need to go internet I mean you for this all this advice you can actually go to the expert personally what you don't have to actually online ask them I mean you can actually just at uh I mean if you have all these medical definitely you can just find your


personal doctor or whoever directly you don't have to do it online


, yep but for this one right , our government I mean definitely there's a website to and I believe there's a website that actually like government definitely there's a website that actually assist them they can call certain hotline to for advice


they don't have to like talk in the internet you see they can just call the hotline then probably someone will actually assist them they will find a expert to actually talk to them and give them advice on what they should do next or who should do they should refer to, I mean it's I don't I haven't see like you don't I mean okay I stay anonymous but the bet I would say the better way would be to actually just seek a expert


directly, they have to do it online you see so,


, but I mean even if they stay anonymous I mean a lot of people can still like those people err if they if some be some people who actually want to find them they can just


definitely there's a hacker who can actually find their way out to actually find the identity of this person I mean even if I trace your internet and where you actually input all this I can even find out who you are and stuff definitely there's people who can do that, so yes you have the right to stay anonymous but then if as long as you don't do somethings illegal or whatever then that's good enough lah if you


yup yup


social media should not have the right to store and use our personal information


yes okay because like I mean for this whether I mean social media should have the right to store our use of, personal information I mean this one actually depend on the individuals because from what I know like


facebook or linkedin or any other most of the social media that is very err those legal social media they actually err collect all this data of the users right voluntarily I actually is those data that err you actually voluntarily supply to them like your age employer your relationship status and where you live


some of them is they actually agree to the term because before they actually collect all these data from you they ask you to key in everything, there is an option and they actually have this particular called err so call err something will prone out to you and tell you that you have to agree to their private I mean their privacy and their rights and their policy rights and condition and stuff and they actually uh stated err that


what kind of err information they will use, err what kind of personal information that they will use from you and this one actually depend on individual because , err I mean individual can actually disagree I mean they can choose to disagree but then they won't allow you to use the platform ah I mean there should be an exchange lah I would say if you want to use this social media platform definitely they want an exchange and since you already agree to it then


definitely they have I mean they have the right and they actually stated to you what is err how it is being used for, and even currently err I don't think there's any law that actually stated that err on particularly on, what are on privacy on using the personal information currently I think there's only like err privacy policies that actually determine your privacy right with concerning the personal data that internet-based company collect on you facebook for instance has a privacy policy stating that what it can and can't do with our information


so to use this to use their platform or whatever you have definitely have to agree to their , err privacy policy, and for another example err it could be a err from california they actually there's the the most is they have this err california , err I think recently this year they have this california consumer privacy app they give the california the rights to learn what personal information a business can collect from them and to request the of err deletion of their personal information


or they can opt-out for those sales of personal information without affecting the service they received, and there are laws that actually impose penalties on, companies that don't comply with the law so actually there is as long as err I mean all these social media platform they actually give you


err actually asking for your err agreement so before you use their site so you actually I mean the individual actually agree on all this before, err, agree on their terms and condition and stuff so definitely they have the rights since they already


err is depend on user the user usually agree to it yeah that's all I want to say yep back to jeremy


okay but the thing is right I mean referring to your on teenage right I mean definitely for certain I mean for most of the site I think there's a age I mean there's a age that they have to meet


like probably like at least four sixteen I can't remember I can't remember what is the age limit already because the thing is it's like a legal age in the way that they will know this this I mean if you want to sign of all this I mean if you meet the age I mean definitely you will know, what err what you need to take care of and there's also a lot of medias or site our government actually tell you that you don't have to


put every single I mean don't have I mean you don't have to share your personal information like err probably your credit card number and everything to others I mean in the social media platform usually is very safe, I mean all these social media err like if you want to don't want to share certain like you can set your account to private so that others won't be able to like public won't be able to access to it like some of your like my facebook or instagram if I don't want


I don't want like others to know about like my birthday or my age or whoever I can just set it as anonymous I mean they give you the option to do do all this, but you just err so, it it shouldn't be issue lah but just that


yeah definitely I mean because how how they actually hide probably they just use the name and the image itself so, definitely I mean this one is that err in there's no way you can actually put down others I mean because this one is the setting that you set unless you set it to purely private so that nobody can actually go into it


even even err they must you must be posting something so that they can actually use your image and use your name so if you really want to be , err if you realize that err like all these privacy I mean social media definitely they they can't do anything about it but then they will at least


only your pictures and your name is being used only that's the only thing that can they can use otherwise anything about your personal like your album all this as long as you set this to private they there's nothing they can do about it, ha so


I mean I would say but then if you want to use I mean social media , yes but for certain personal information you don't have to give really your correct one I mean a real one sometimes you can just give a fake one like err probably I can give any my probably my name tom and jerry or whatever but then


likes a lot of people they actually come up with their own nickname I mean you don't have have to give a real one you don't have to provide all the information not every information is, err it's a must, I would say depend on depend on your what why is the


limit that you want to give you see I mean you should you should be aware of what kind of information that you should give and what kind you should not give


but I mean I mean I mean for all this definitely you I mean you will definitely tell your friend that you are adding him what you won't just err add him


like just randomly I mean randomly I mean definitely the person have the right to actually reject it ah I mean yeah


but if you know that person then yes you can do that but sometime it's like I mean the information is still depend on your it's your choice mah, I would say you don't have to give the your real personal information probably name you can give a real one then finally the your age and others yeah you don't have to give hundred per cent as long as there's I mean the setting everything you can just private it or don't don't even put it they don't force you


I would say, because if just that a lot of people they actually put all this information I would say is they want err it's for their convenience sake like probably if they want to play any games or whatever or they want to sign up for any amazon account or even shopee and stuff


they will tend to give their personal information but then because it's for convenience what it's like the social media definitely have need to have your all this information like, err your credit card number but then they won't store it like for example if person information like credit card they won't store it you can choose not to store it then after that next time if you want to err go back to it then you can just key err key in again


ya I mean at the end of day it still depend on your choice it still depend on the user choice they don't have to give every single thing but then, if they agreed to it I mean like those some of information like err probably your your address like where to deliver all this goods to you then definitely they need a real address lah you can also choose not to err choose for the social media not to save your address


at the end of the day it's still your choice since you already give them the right I mean definitely they have the right to do this lah


but for this social media to work they actually have to use your data to actually match each other like whether you're compatibility and everything so if you don't provide the real one definitely they will just anyhow match you with another person you see that if you meet online I mean if you meet offline then you see the person is totally don't match then it's causes issue also yeah


so I think actually depend on the info I mean it depend on the user lah I mean you don't have to give all of your personal information in your social media platform but then you don't blindly accept like err accept all this privacy policy without reading them so if you don't agree with the policy then don't accept it but then if you agree with it then you have to take it lah yeah


in the age of the internet TV and newspaper has become irrelevant


so I shall start the topic straight away, okay, so err let me first start this err, these debates err on the internet in the age of internet where that TV and newspaper are actually irrelevant so actually this the internet has actually impacted the content that newspaper can offer by anything and can be without


for free so my question is why would anyone would want to pay for newspaper, so people can eh can can print the information off the internet and of course err it will be same just like a newspaper


for example, today newspaper has actually ceased printing err of newspaper in two thousand seventeen and fully incorporated their news digitally in their website and tablet application so err fundamentally modern technology has actually


err disrupted the distribution of media, so err internet nowadays makes delivery of content instantly and available anywhere, it can also, err this get your message across to a wider audience


there the various form of media actually comprises of err, get you can compare to of television newspaper and radio so now with the reduction of the digital world err all these are actually newspaper is actually not necessary needed


okay so err right now newspaper newspaper is actually, err getting tougher and tougher, because of the digital world


err lesser and lesser newspaper are needed hence many of the newspaper companies actually err we only err reduce and actually err get their revenue


from printing advertisement, so based on these statistics , we looking at two thousand ten, it has dropped from sixty to sixty billion to sixteen point five billion in two thousand seventeen


the reason why being err, eh, being so is because, err internet access advertisements err and social media are playing as a large contributors to the decline in paper reduct production


the intervention of internet also mean loss in revenue in print newspaper in short newspaper circulation has been declining over the past whole decade, so according to straits time many younger adults are moving


according err so I'm referring back to thomas point is that actually in the internet there's a lot of , false information that I have err agree but of course err the government has has as actually err


, a regulation of POFMA which actually stands for protection from online falsehood and err manipulation act, so actually this this act actually enforce the the the liability and the truthfulness of this information


err of course err as a, as a common, err user of the internet I have to say that not everything is true but err right now right now


I can say that what those err post that actually post online is actually err I can say is err eighty per cent true so this acts is actually protects , any false err falsehood of


actually err information that's being err disseminate through the online err statement, K so, err referring to to what thomas has said, now newspaper besides err newspaper like I mentioned


straits time straits time has actually launched the their own err e-newspaper so actually based on, err not only straits time err even today, many people has been using err e-newspaper to to get their news so err many young younger adults are basically more


more keen towards the e-newspaper because of these err online platform, err and any social media so actually they they are able to assess information quickly and err as actually err


free online so however err, straits time has also have a special scrap script subscription of, err their own subscription of twenty four dollars per month


okay , okay answering to thomas , the, comments so err basically newspaper many youngsters are actually going for e-newspaper so err like I mentioned just now so actually strait time has their money


subscription so in order to so-called like encourage people to actually subscribe it they as actually have a subscription of twenty-four dollars, ninety cents and with that they are able to it comes with a samsung galaxy tab actually is worth of three three hundred ninety-eight dollars so actually this is a very attractive


err subscription deal that err besides reading err e-newspaper you are able to get a err samsung tab for free and also singtel has also collaborated with straits times, and they actual actually launched the singtel newsstand where where where customers are like single customers are able to to to enjoy content from premium news publications with


no local mobile data charges and of course enjoy saving off the usual price, going back to what err thomas has mentioned about TVs, okay so you mentioned about TVs yes TV is a err very important err things err to to to to convey information however right now for example news news in the in TV err it has fixed timing


so if miss that timing err you have actually err, miss out the information so internets has actually provide a very, alternate err another alternatives where err, viewers can actually view news err at their own suitable time to actually get err information err all this and also I believe everybody watch netflix


so netflix is err is is is everybody who watches netflix knows that actually netflix needs internet, so actually this err internet is a very very important err crucial thing that actually contributed to how news or people is enjoy as getting their information from


and err lastly I'd like to conclude that newspaper actually err it's not very environmental safely err friendly because actually it consumes water, err overall water usage by sixty per cent and energy use by forty per cent so causing err a lot of air pollution by air eh water pollution so besides that the there's a lot of carbon footprints err being admitted into the environment


people have the right to remain anonymous, when portrayed in media


okay , I will start this and err let me tell you more about the protection of anonymity, so actually it is a vital component in protecting both the right to freedom of expression and the right to privacy


so anonymity actually allows individuals to actually express themself, without any fear of reprisal and especially is important in those countries where freedom of expression is heavily censored, it also enables whistleblowers to come forward and individuals to disclose their innermost concern on err various issues in the internet chat room so online anonymity is also playing a important role in the freedom expression


one of the most amazing thing, about internet, is that it is actual is able to give voices to those who are actively silenced so this has actually allows them to speak without any fear of repercussion so err I shall cover three reasons why we need to have


online anonymity first is internet eh I identity protection, sometimes you don't want to know, don't want to let people know who you are, and err of course you're doing not doing anything illegal or anything questionable so it's just it's just a level of


social safety the with anonymity, so is very important, for introverts introverts to in the online communities, let's say you are celebrity of a global recognition


err it's very tiring to have paparazzi or reporters everywhere and no room for being alone so you may be surprised on how many well-knowns, figures actually uses, site, like red reddid


or or four chans in secret so what happens when identity is not protected online okay let me quote you an example south korea, residents has err something which is called the resident registration number so this number is actually very unique to each citizens each person and being used as a identifier


so err this is usually used to register online accounts like example games website, so for example in two thousand and six hundred of thousand of, registration number are being leaked, from various consumer datas


these cybercriminals use these, number to create false accounts, in the game coordinates as part of the money-laundering operation the worst part that these are wasn't stolen by hackers instead they are actually sold by company employment with database access so


having a credit card number compromised is already bad if these err at least at least credit card numbers can be rectify and the numbers can be can to be changed without too much hassle however err the the registration number is not easily change


and it can be very dangerous to a lot of people


okay thank you thomas, so basically err I've actually err heard your points that actually err a lot of illegal activities err all these so , okay I have done err I agree on err a certain extent


err there're actually a lot of illegal things which happening, so actually government has actually step up err, on on the the the the the err, catching of any the illegal activities going on online so so this part err


okay so err, can so, err so this is err something that government is actively doing on it, however I would I would like to err say my second point err which is personal harassment


so this so so, err, online anonymity also play an important role in the, freedom expression so err like I said just now it it is actually err provide voices for those who are being and actually err talk without any repercussion so err for example in a I quote example in two one one


two thousand eleven our taste has actually err, arrested the muhammad, maskati who is actually a spoken outspoken political activities in err, bahrain so he was only released after signing a agreement to never again mention bahrain in any forms of media


err in this instance actually maskati actually uses his real name intentionally he don't regret that doing so err would have consequences and he's willing to bear the consequences


so for any other people who are actually silenced this way anonymity is actually only way to be heard while being safe, but, this only applies to third world country in fact a lot of online


harassment has been a huge discussion, over the world for the past few years and it will not die down any time soon so, online harassment there can be many ways err one is it err


as in err, example let me give you a quick example, the there's someone who actually err lives in a very dangerous neighbourhood so they actually read about a news article


about a fatal shooting incident, they wanted to share their opinions in the comment, but, fearing that the gang will find out and call for punishments so anonymity is allow us for that


so I I actually heard what thomas said about the, the recent political err uprise, quantity, the so-called racist comments so err as a politician err is actually very wrong but for her to to actually voice out especially in the time of this election err


this this is err however I I think that this is a very open world, we are of we have the freedom of speech, so basically, err not everybody actually like like like like like can be very open in talking or disclosing their identity


so I'm so I'm trying to cover my third point which is quite this sensitive which is to sensitive issue so I let me quote the example, for someone who's actually struggling with their sexuality, or hasn't gone


public with their struggle so they have many very err unvoiced question and concern so this person can actually ask all their questions on online community without revealing their identity and err risk premature exposure


what err another point is about


okay so err I have to agree you don't have to actually input err your real information inside the the the online, err so so err there's also other other areas


where where where, some some point of, err some point, err, where where where, err you don't have to disclose you need you need some real information like


example err some females, okay so they have some medical issues so err they have to to actually err get some advice from the, err


the internet or some online


sometimes okay maybe I'll quote example maybe there are some maybe err let's say let's lock about young girls so young girls actually err whom who who who there's cases that got pregnant


for example they contracted err STI so the catch up cannot actually err go seek for medical advice without getting their their parents fighting out, so err their own


ya however err there's of course err there's some risk that err that like revealing the identification err through the the conversation that it might be leaked, there's there's cases that err leaked information are being review and actually this has caused


the the the food court err, information were leaked and and let's say get parents get to know after that of course err, paper cannot cover the fire this err this err they they bound parents are bound to find find it sooner


social media should not have the right to store and use


okay so I shall start the debate so actually err individuals many individuals actually willing to risk their privacy to to get the to reap the rewards of being active of social media


so very oftenly you risk of being exploited for the private information, shared on the internet is overshadowed by the rewards of exclusive, err, sharing personal information that actually bolsters the appeal of the social media user so more points that actually I would like to cover its have so err a lot of information are being


provided in the internet, and personal information like, err their their social security number which can be often used as part of identity theft so in the two o o nine research that actually shows that is possible to predict worth and sometimes of individual


, a identification number using information err gleaned from social networks and err online database, err in response err many various group strategic advice, err users not to display their numbers


or even err hide from, facebook friends, that they do not personally know, so err lot of cases whereby users having their photographs being stolen, from social network, sites assist err identity theft


so err the following information can be used to steal err user identity full names including their middle name their date of birth their hometown relationship err status


, resident information err and err other hobbies or interests so this is significantly err increase the theft rates that actually err the hackers err might use to do theft


so err, so err a lot of teen teenagers actually err fell for this this err this this this trap okay thomas I open to you


so okay to to back on your comment just now you mentioned that users can actually err input information, but however do do users do actually know that if


err they input the information what are the consequences, do they they they do not know so basically a lot of in among the age group err let's say the most vulnerable victims of err information being shared are actually pre-teens and err early teenagers so the had they they


some some websites has actually err have a age restriction on err how effective this information are being, err are being recruited so err like I said


teenagers especially they are actually very, sceptical to social pressure that actually encourage, err young people to review personal data and, when posting onlines so err


when posting onlines they will actually post their personal life such as activities or even share current location, on who they spend time with as well as their thoughts and err opinions so


they often share this information because they do not want to be left out or being being judged so err in order to keep hype to themself to the latest or or to the latest news they have to often err


err, allow themselves to be victims of, cyberbullying, and err stalking and err also potential harm when pursuing job opportunities in the context of privacy and err also err this this err


the reason why this is a very big issue is because teenagers are, err very least educated on how public social media is on how to protect themselves online or any consequences of sharing too much information err online


so as more as as more and more individuals are joining social media sites they think that they think that, posting whatever they they want or they think of they they didn't think of the consequences of the potential harm that err the information can do to them and err they also sacrificing their own privacy


so err the the nowadays teens are sharing more and more information about themselves on social media sites than what they did in the past so, for example like err facebook instagram


err, twitter they're actually posting more and more pictures, err and videos, without err knowing the of the privacy they're actually sacrificing so some also post their real names


birthdate, and err also email address, on their social media profile, so err, so by doing so they actually err do not know the consequences of


the the the the what if they copy information are being leaked, err some some people are, have their accounts being hacked by the hackers so recently we have a lot of cases where a lot of celebrities


err, err some err individuals who who got hacked and their photos are being post, err on other social media err, where where is it wasn't their account


but err can I can I add it to the point that err like being err set to about the setting err privacy so even ifs err there are cases that many individuals has actually set their privacy to to to restricted or not open to public however their their account are still being hacked


hacked, err align so it it it did this need the measure is not hundred per cent foolproof I can say


so but, okay so to to rebut on your your statement you said you mentioned that err any


I can create a tom and jerry name however social media actually connecting to other people to your friends so if you get a fake err name or fake information err people might not add add you because they think eh who is this person err who why do I might add you but


but by giving you err by entering the real information people know about you and they actually okay if I add this person then this person oh so actually I know okay example you you err you put in your name thomas, so actually I know oh thomas add me so I I will add back rather than eh tom and jerry add me err why should I add him back so this is why information


but normally normally when it comes to social media when you adding people you won't when you add you won't text your friend !hey! I add you on this can you add me back no no seldom people do that


let me bring across to another example where information shouldn't be disclosed so I believe err recently there's more and more err social networking sites, so actually they they are actually quite safe where a lot of people err will actually have to put in their so-called information online to actually more match


to the the the the the to match the other err to to to to to get matched err with the other party or the other sex so , but because of this right a lot of personal information on the social network sites are actually so-called err being keep and also err has the ability to


hide behind a pseudo-identity as these sites are being more and more popular for sexual prostitute so , but if you say that err this this err this


lack of age verification, mechanism, is also a cause of concern in this social networking platform


part one debate topic one


okay so for the topic on technology creates more problems that benefit for the society I think we are I think there's is a double edge sword you can look at technology


uh from two sides from two angles where by it can actually create problems and also benefit, society uh but regards to problem I'd like to raise up three uh points that technology creates more problems than benefits and the first one is the privacy uh


uh privacy invasion second it is on cyber-bullying and the third would be the influence which it costs which impacts society making it to be more arise


K so for the first point on privacy are, basically nowadays with technology with social media a lot of uh people have access to it especially in the modern society so as result we tend to when we sign up


for uh social media account we tend to put up our profile online or we tend to share what we will do online uh for recreation purposes for for jobs or whatever, information lah and so the that can cause uh how do I say a breach a possible breach in privacy so one example is in two thousand and eight


teen where there was a major breach in the singhealth data uh whereby, about one point five million patient records has been uh leaked out so even this includes uh PM our prime minister PM #Lee-Hsien-Loong#'s uh medical records also and it was also stated in the news that PM lee


records were specifically targeted by the the hackers, uh and so, uh it just shows that how through technology where yes as much as he makes it more convenient now everything is stored online it can also cause uh problem with when it comes to uh


you know no personal data protection and your privacy and the next major uh leak of data would be err your HIV positive data leak, in uh two thousand nineteen January where about fourteen thousand people uh data indicating that they are HIV positive has also been been leaked and uh that actually cause uh


you know the HIV community to actually be quite vulnerable because now err such a sensitive data about them is is out to the public and uh who knows what these data can be used uh against them to to to shame them embarrass them and so yeah that goes err


my point on how technology uh creates more problem than benefits in a society with regards to the uh privacy aspect


uh, uh I definitely uh agree with you in terms of, err the immense amount of uh benefits that uh this has brought about to, society but as much as we looked uh at it generally I'd also like to uh narrow down onto an individual level on like


uh that kind of problems that uh it may cause so yes apart from (hmm) you know how, information can still be leaked irregardless of whether is it technology or not uh I think on an individual level we can see that uh


this has definitely caused , for certain individuals definitely cause uh more would affect some more than others so moving on to my next point uh one of them would be on cyber-bullying so


so definitely we actually we we look at the the the research has been done actually cyber-bullying is normally pair up with err your traditional bullying so it doesn't necessarily correlates with how, uh as much as technology advances there is an increase in cyber-bullying not really the the the the direct correlation but more of how if people who are who has been already has already been bullied traditionally now it adds an additional platform


for bullies to bully on the the victims and then uh recent studies have shown that uh because of these additional platform where you can have three in four teens being cyber bullied and


uh, of course this on individual level we see that how it actually affects err students err, greatly so and normally victims would then in turn become bullies themselves because they uh you know they did feel the need to


due due to the lack of their low self esteem as a victim nowadays trying to compensate for that uh by becoming a bully and then you know these causes like a great vicious cycle towards things uh and in the recent twenty twenty child online safety index research


over thirty countries uh it's also, shown that err due to the exposure of technology or social media in social media per say these actually are causes, with uh children uh specifically children between the age of eight to twelve to be seventy percent like more likely to


be exposed to cyber risk and so the cyber risk includes uh not just cyber-bullying even though uh we're have been talking about that but it also goes beyond that goes into uh, you know exposure of like you know sexual materials or violent materials things like that and then uh


for children who are highly active on social media in nine percent of them would be up to eighty nine percent would be uh a risk of a or you know be exposed to cyber risk so you can actually see how technology has uh increased that uh


exposure or the the chances of these childrens between eight to twelve years old are being exposed to, harms like in any sense ya so actually on on on on on that note you can actually see that how uh on an individual level technology also brings about quite uh detrimental impact


that comes to, to err cyber-bullying towards the the youngsters these days


okay err yup uh I definitely, definitely uh, yeah I definitely agree on you, uh regards to how


when it comes forums like this are definitely, we are we're not uh you know we're not like err uh, a savage kind of a society uh we definitely have uh yup we definitely have rules and uh there're there are certain moderation in in place to


to, you know to encourage people to use these mediums uh, properly , so I definitely agree on you uh with you on that so but to get back to you on the err


part on parents prevision actually uh is also be known that uh nine out of ten victims of cyber bullying per saying actually do not uh, voice out their concerns with regards to them being cyber bullied because they fear parents stepping in you know refraining them from


using social media eh and you know in that sense so you know like it imposing restrictions on them with their usage of social media or some of them are, awkward also uh no voice out and say that because they find it uh embarrassing that you know you will


you said you know to complain or to raise this issue up, to the with your parents or the teachers you know it doesn't reflect err very favorable uh, towards for them you know when you want to bring this issue up so I think the the issue definitely lies uh beyond just parents supervision but


the ex or in the realm of tech technology specifically social media itself uh, yeah


okay I think uh with the last few seconds uh, yup but I but I think definitely technology is a double edge sword ah so as much as it poses problems it definitely also has its immense amount of benefits


okay on topic of scientific research should not be constrained by ethical concerns


I'll be the proposition for on stopping so some would argue that uh or rather when you look in terms of the science, scientific community many would argue that scientific research should not be constrained the reason for that is because


imagine now without ethical concerns uh your research uh you you really it reduces uh quite a bit of limitations when it comes to your your research because now scientists are researchers are able to then maximize


the or to get a whole off the different possible scenarios in every aspect of their uh, like you know, in their scientific uh experiments without the you know the the


limitations that us set in aside by you know the society or the government uh regards to uh ethical concerns so one of the example uh would be, your stem cell research so stem cells are what's so unique about them is because is


their potency of being able to differentiate and specialised into uh, a certain start a certain types of cells so you actually can use it for diseases when it comes to uh you know after your chemotherapy uh you can in you know inject stem cells into the the patient and that the same cells


would be able to aid like the the patient's recovery but the only, not the only thing but the main ethical concerns when it comes to them is that when it comes when we look into stem cells the higher the potency of the cells will go back to


cells like your zygotes zygotic cells or your embryonic stem cells and a lot of people or ethically uh some will argue that you know it is not right to use these cells uh as it might


as these are potential life and so because of that uh these actually limits research in terms of seeing how far they can stretch with uh you know cultivating or making use of embryonic stem cells to


will, specialised into unique cell types that can eat in certain cell therapies for chronic diseases uh that said yup and so yup there there there's this one one of the the reason why I I feel that scientific research should not be constrained by uh ethical concerns


oh yeah yup fair enough but uh I think when it comes


to the scientific research part uh yup definitely we will need to, uh place checks uh on ourselves because we wouldn't want of course we wouldn't want ourselves to you know be led astray by uh personal or commercial (hmm)


reasons right because uh ultimately if we look at scientific research uh the main I would say at least for the vast majority of of scientists out there the the main aim, I'd ready to be to try and find something


err you know that can breakthrough what we currently have to currently have today and that breakthrough then eventually bring about greater good to


not just an individual but uh as a whole so with regards to your earlier point on how stem cells err it is on the vein and how it, there's not much err (hmm) evidence that uh


it can really bring about, benefits to, the medical field uh I think maybe the reason for that might be due to your ethical constraints your your your the constraints is imposed by ethical concerns and because of that it imposed that limitations such that researchers are


unable to uh, put their you know the next err next step forward optimally to try and achieve or to discover what is the the the truth behind how effective stem cells can be uh


in the medical field uh but moving, on moving forward uh another thing that I'd like to focus on is that yeah like what I mentioned earlier on research


mainly people would look towards that breakthrough such that it can benefit (hmm) further benefit society and then, you know humanity uh that sense so when we look at it some argued that


it is a small cost to pay for a greater good so for example if we look at uh the very popular uh crisper, project whereby basically it revolves around genetic uh gene editing so what this project is all about is basically how it is able to use crisper to try and


none , edit out or replace uh mutated genes or genetic defects which can then uh you know, help with certain genetic disorders you know like for example sickle cell uh anemia uh but not only on humans uh project also expands towards the the food the the the food that we eat than the insects and and stuff like that so


I think if we look on it in terms of the, the purpose of how, it can bring about, greater good towards uh humanity


well some would would definitely argue that it should not be constrained by, yeah


definitely uh well


would you then say that uh since we only have, two minutes left uh would you then say that it is still possible for research to be carried out (hmm), still within the realms of uh proper rules and regulation but uh with exceptions when it comes to ethical concerns such that uh it can still allow the project


to you know move forward at you know at the at the greater speed to strive forward, at the at the, greater speed and to you know to receive whatever outcome that is you do you understand where ya


ya but and and and and I think when it comes to uh certain uh for example like you know crisper they there's also quite a quite is also quite variable in a sense that when they looked talk about gene editing is not necessarily on just uh you know


you know just trying to make you know my family tree line genetically optimal ideal but more of you know like what you said on, on you know, curing certain disease for just the individual but not affecting know


uh the family traits you know the genetic traits afterwards because of course ethical concerns of like inner nature, and, and stuff like that yup


okay next topic on marijuana should be legalized , not particularly fond of being the proposition on this uh topic but I guess there are a few ways uh we can look about it to argue that uh it can or it should be legalized uh the first one of course is the more common ones that


a lot of uh people would, would argue for, is the medicinal use uh marijuana as a cannabis so definitely it uh will help with symptoms such as nausea vomiting muscle spasm or even as a pain relief


for certain chronic conditions and also uh, uh, it's also been studied that marijuana might also be a more favorable replacement, uh uh, uh for this opioid drug because apparently of opioid is a lot more


for, uh addictive you know as compared to, uh marijuana, marijuana so we we look in terms of the the the medical use a part of, apart from just how it can help with the symptom reliefs when we look at cannabinoid in also so not just about smoking uh the weed you know and for recreational purposes but err


this cannabinoid can also be quite versatile when when it comes to the pharmaceutical aspects so is can be used as a kind of, uh as dry botanical material or organic oils you know and all these elements can then be used for medicinal purposes which is uh


why or one of the reasons why some people would would want the government to legalize uh marijuana


, yeah err you mentioned that uh it is more of a preference when it comes to, the medicinal use for this uh, for marijuana, marijuana yeah some would then argue that the fact that it you know creates uh variety in terms of the uh symptoms beliefs or you know uh


how is it just like any other drug that can also cause uh addiction and stuff like that why is it prohibited to such an extent, uh or buy it you know not legalizing it and you know not having it uh in into


to the, the free market, you know per se so I think some would then say that it has as much as it is a kind of uh a reference , but the but the fact that it it can bring about


a certain err medicinal benefits you know to the the personal extent you know of course if you don't abuse it why is it that this choice is not given to, to, err the individual or in the in the industry


even though you have you know another hundred and one other, a similar drugs that may also cause uh you know addiction and and substance abuse and stuff like that and when it comes to marijuana when it and and the medical aspects of of the medical side of things I don't think that uh


or rather the pharmaceutical side will definitely uh you know be stringent on the the dosage I think if we we we looked about if we look at this, uh we're not really talking about


smoking the the weed per se you know we we looking it as using the extract the fund extract of uh the this you know the cannabis and then incorporating that in pharmacology, so with regards to the addiction part maybe and and the the argument of uh the medical side of things it might not really uh hold strongly lah


and one more thing on the the part of where you mentioned about popular culture and how ones marijuana is introduced into the market it might uh you know people might, want to jump the bandwagon you know


you know to try to medicine for for the sake of of trying it uh I wouldn't you say that this is also one of the the main reason why you know people have this kind of stigma is because of uh the fact that , no it's not legalised and the fact that


people are using it uh you know you seen as you know seen as a kind of like a bad boy that kind of thing and then people are, are using it recreationally and not knowing about some of the uh benefits the medicinal benefits that uh that actually it entails


yup yeah I I I think it's true that definitely because of, how uh this being how marijuana is being portrayed in popular culture definitely uh imposes a lot of


(hmm) worries lah when when it comes to visualizing uh drugs like that ah but then nonetheless we can always look into, exactly if let's say our government were to legalize this drug how


what what what are the system measures what are system measures that the government can can put in place or to to tighten such that uh it doesn't fall into that category of uh being err abused and you know you know uh


uh being used being extracted and then use for recreational purpose when it is uh not meant to be you know, uh you know, and if we look at it by legalizing it in terms of uh the the medical side uh so definitely I I think it is difficult but to a certain extent there would be uh there are possible measures that government or that can put in place so maybe


by educating the the general public in that sense it is it is one of the the the possibilities uh but moving on, uh I also like to talk about the next point on why people are so fond uh, in to to want to


legalize marijuana and it is on the economic aspect of things so if you look at or rather many people would argue that if let's say government were to legalize marijuana uh it can actually bring about high amount of uh


revenue into the into the market so if we just look at the report from uh colorado so in two thousand nineteen colorado collected more than three hundred and two million in taxes fees, on medical and recreational marijuana and the sales over the state totaled two over one point seven billion dollars so


when when we look at it in the economic aspect is definitely greatly beneficial to uh you know, not just the US I'm pretty sure if internationally they were to allow free trade to happen when it comes to marijuana it will also


boost the the economy quite a bit uh but apart from the money side, definitely marijuana is also quite a, I would say a specialized industry whereby you can also create more jobs in a sense that because you will demand for professionals to coordinate farmers like whereas it is a plant so it can be grow and it can be harvested so all of these processes would create uh


jobs and uh you know know from farmers process to processes retailers and distributors uh and over here from the RCG economics and marijuana policy group study on nirvana


said that legalising recreational marijuana in the state could support over forty one thousand jobs till twenty twenty four and uh generate over one point seven billion in labour income so


I think if we look in that sense on how uh or rather if you focus on the the beneficial the the benefits of what the plant can bring about and not just, the plant itself but the whole economics behind it uh you can you know some will be in favor of how are these can uh


help uh you know bring in money you know with the economy and stuff like that so


okay recording started, part one debate topic one


okay uh what I like to respond to those points , since we're we're if I can even respond this since we're keeping it even to this this the sphere of uh social media and privacy because actually technology encompasses a lot more than just social media your medical technologies is is whole different bucket and that the benefits there


obviously I'll waste the problems but never mind let's keep to this uh this this this uh region there's this little circle of a social media, okay so right so you say the lack of privacy and the uh data breaches


I'm going to address the very obvious one which is the HIV leaked it's actually done by insider who has a insider knowledge and access the records this is not uh so much a technology issue, because, essentially if let's say you


bring technology down a level further, to the level of book keeping on a pen and paper, it could easily have been breached too, uh all it needs is for the insider to take the book home, or to do a photocopy let's say if there's no photocopy the person just needs to copy down the details and bring it out and essentially print flyers and send it out


I don't see that as a problem of technology at all this is actually a problem of uh inside the access and a lack and a lack of uh safeguards so that the HIV leak is, is actually not a technology issue it's not a problem caused by technology it's a problem caused by


err, the vetting of individuals it's a vetting of accessibility to the person is a doctor so yeah the the accessibility and and uh it's actually just just safeguarding of information ah it's not a technology problem at all for


PM #lee#'s uh data hacks and you know all your stuff is up there own internet yes I agree that that happens uh and is necessary but you look at, the benefits versus the problems you actually have a much more connected uh


society uh or rather you have more connected economy, so, even if let's say uh no sorry you must aware the the situations where, let's say we don't have this connectivity everything moves at a much slower and more glacial pace


ya we will have some, uh it's a trade off lah, so even if let's say PM #lee#'s details are hacked in fact his details were targeted uh it's pretty obvious these were state actors, err so it, because of the prevalence of medical records they're kept in Sing


and and, I wouldn't even say it's online but it's in sync uh in a central system the hackers targeted it uh, before all this uh with the leaks and all this with the knowledge of the hacking, I'm pretty sure you also have state actors behind the scenes mining all these data information uh


through whatever means that they have it's, once again it's not something is is one yes they opens up an additional avenue for them to go in and try to extract the data but they can also have other means where they send, people to intercept physical uh packets of information like physical dockets


ya so if you look at it from that standpoint and we're talking about essentially a, state leader whose being targeted security would be already very tight but let's say you look at the common man on the street medical records they're synced the crossing health is the benefits are obvious and the benefits far away anything uh from data leaks because you have patients where you know didn't visit the different doctors once


their medical records are accessible like at a glance you can tell and alert the uh medical staff of any discrepancies in the treatments, uh any drag allergies all these that can be life threatening any previous histories that the patient himself may forget to a highlights any emergencies they're able to pull up their history straight away and don't have to wait for a docket to be uh ship over or crew it over so


the benefits already immense immense is a matter of uh a lost of privacy versus a lost of life actually even, so, ya so that's what I would say is like ya they I don't think it ya it creates more problem uh problems but I think it creates much more benefits for society


okay uh yes I realized that once you allow people access to a new platform you will have new problems , uh, well let's look at it from the counterpoint let's say we were to take out the access to social media take out the access to


would just separate social media and internet so let's say we take out the access to social media we would take our cyber bullying but they also need curtail to certain development for uh the modern, for the child in modern society where it's a hyper-connected society so if we do take that out yes you can reduce cyber-bullying but then what is the cost right the cost is the loss of a network the cost of uh friends and networks


ya so, I think this has it is uh when you allow or rather, modern society now, essentially work and and and you know education and everything in life in general you


have to have an have an aspect that is a connected in social media or whatever the word is called uh, and to miss out on that is to miss out on on, very rich part of modern life ah so it's a, problem that comes along with uh this this this new this new world ah and as with every new technology I think is a problem of management lah


so if we just look at it as something that is run, free ran and rough short then yes obviously it will provide a lot more problems uh just like anything you know if you have a cars without any traffic rules and pretty sure people would say that is killing everybody but we have traffic rooms for a reason and so


it's I'm not saying moderate everything that the child does but they needs to have supervision because in the end this is a child, so it it's all on a supervision it's on adult supervision and uh in fact the adult supervision part is not a problem of technology is a problem of