that's where I would disagree because if we bring harry potter series into play, uh the books have entire history to them that the films do not even though the films have also been uh what's that uh backed by the author herself it does not mean that it is the only way to interpret the written text


ya so I will finish there


part, part one debate topic one


okay so I'm the opposition I think that is the other way round so I think that human, wants and profit should be the main focus this is because I think that if research is driven solely on needs there's not going to be much research done because there isn't enough motivation to motivate people to conduct research in the first place and a lot of social and psychology theories


are in on are on par with this one example is the altruism theory so altruism, is the act of selflessly doing something for the sole purpose of helping someone else and not yourself and there are many psychologists and scientists that argue that pure altruism doesn't exist because


at the end of the day humans are selfish to a certain extent because we need to be selfish in order to survive and it's an evolutionary trait that regard, so because of this if if research is only conducted, to meet the needs of people there isn't going to be much research done that's why like we need to pay scientists so that they can make some profit and


another theory that is on par with this is the incentive theory of motivation, this theory states that humans are driven by profit so if, uh an individual is not going to get the profit such as money or recognition for their work then they are not going to be very motivated to research


then another, fact that I want to point out is that, today the education field is saturated with a lot of people and it's very competitive now in to get a scientific degree or any degree so because of this there's a lot of competition


and people had want, there is this competition because people want to get a high paying job and get money and get success and maybe win a nobel prize, or, any other prize in their field so if these incentives are not provided then there isn't going to be much research


and this is, and another thing that I want to point out is that conducting research actually requires a lot of money and resources like, manpower and time so if you are going to conduct research, which doesn't profit you then a lot of people will think twice and a lot of companies will think twice before investing in that research in the first place and


this can be another reason why like a lot of larger companies are able to undertake more research because they make more profit so because of this they're profit motivated, so this drives down the cost of their research and drives up the cost of their profit so this allows them to uh undertake more research


ya


okay but if you focus on purely human needs then I think that there won't be enough resources to conduct research in the first place


because, there's a lot of human needs and human needs are and never ending like if you look at maslow's hierarchy of needs the it's basically a pyramid, that summarises human needs lah then at the first level sorry at the first level it shows some of our basic needs like food and water


then on the second level it moves on to, environmental needs like safety and security then above that it goes on to personal needs like self esteem so actually if someone's like for example you're talking about developing countries needing sanitation and food water


so even after we meet their basic needs they're going to have other needs like for example the need, for education or the internet so, it's a never ending cycle of needs so if you focus on needs then my point is I think that we will be exhausted from resources especially if the research takes more resources than it gives


so that's why I think that profit should be the main concern because in if you follow that theory then you won't run out of resources cause you're not using more than you're going to get,


okay I agree with what you said but not fully because if


uh sorry ah ya so you were saying that if we focus on the profits then we won't be developing much and not progressing as a society however I think this is not true because if you focus on profits then I think this will be a greater motivator to


ensure that more researchers are, are engaging in efficient researches, so, that means that they would be more pressured to not waste resources and also this, gives room for competition and competition gives room for innovation


so the most innovative and the most for example water saving idea would be the one that gets executed, so I think if we focus on profits we would still be able to meet the needs and progress as a society


ya okay then I just want to, mention another point ya for example in india, uh there has been some recent conflicts with Kashmir whereby it resulted in the indian government kind of cutting off all the internet in Kashmir because they were afraid of terrorist threats that would be more prevalent if the internet was there


it will as it will be easier to spread so this whole thing created a lot of widespread , commotion because a lot of people are saying that the internet is a primary need it and then the indian government doing this is a violation of human rights


so this kind of shows that the definition of human need is also different from society to society or person to person so what you may think is a human need may not be a human need to someone else so this kind of creates a grey area as well so that's why I think we should focus on


profit because if you are focusing on profit you still want to increase, the resources everyone has, ya instead of focusing on like specific, individuals or individual groups


okay I agree with you and a like a lot of initiatives that, organisations like YMCA also do in order to give money so that people can conduct their research but I think this supports my point more than it supports yours because


they're giving out resources so that something can be done for a for a greater good that will generate them profit and this profit can be monetary or in the form of a an award or, reputation so I still think that the priority is the resources like you mention they need money to start in the first place and and we send money to somewhere but money is not infinite cause actually the world is in a seven billion debt right now so we can't just keep spending money I think


I don't know, sorry oh, no I it's not infinite oh ya ya, but what


but for in the first place for them to be a donor they have to have money in the first place and if they were in they if they were engaging in research to create, to to meet the needs of people but not get profit then they wouldn't be able to make that profit to give that money in the first place so if everyone was like too generous and like


they just want to engage in, research for helping people I don't think there would be any money to keep her on and also just one question that I want to ask you and anyone listening would you, be willing to engage in a research project for let's say six months okay so you have to devote six months of your life to find the cure to disease at


but you won't get any money from it, and you have to spend all your savings not all but you will be eating into your savings to sustain yourself and at the end of it if you find the cure you won't get any reputation for it would you be willing to, be a part of that project I think most people would say no because at the end of the day we all want some kind of profit for ourselves


ya, ya actually I sort of agree because if it's only focusing on needs then we can't do it and if it's only focusing on profits then it will create a lot of corruption, so maybe we have to find somewhere in the middle


but I still think the primary focus should be more towards profit, because that's a greater motivator most people aren't altruistic maybe some people, care about needs more than profit but I don't think most people are and that's what research shows


so that's my point yeah


part two debate topic two


okay so the second topic is technology has a negative impact on the skill levels of people and my side is the proposition which means I agree with it, so I would like to start out by first defining some terms so first of all skill levels refers to the abilities that people


can develop including cognitive communication or psychomotor life skills as long as specialised skills like, like operating certain machinery negative impact means to worsen something so in this context it would mean that


the skill levels of people has been decreasing and technology refers to the applications of science for practical purposes especially in industry including modern day devices and programs like mobile phones and computers


so I'd like to start out by saying that over the past few years, over the past few decades we have definitely seen a spurt in the amount of technology and with that the obesity rates have been increasing as well, today for every tenth person raised in one of the countries spends on information and communications technology


there is a one percent rise in obesity rates as far as research has found in america one in three adults are obese and in singapore thirteen percent of schools children were obese as of two thousand and eighteen


because of this increase in technology we all have been sitting down more at home and in school as well as at work and this has resulted in the decline in motor skills, ya and then with ah no not yet ya so sorry wait ah so with with


invention such as smartphones gaming consoles, youngsters today prefer to stay indoors and indulge in those games instead of going outdoors to learn sports and play actual games and gain those skills , because of this interpersonal skills have also been decreasing as a lot of research has shown a lot of qualitative research has shown qualitative research is basically


conducted, and in whereby, whereby variables are not measured using numbers but rather by opinions and that's why it's called qualitative research so a lot of qualitative research supports this so because


text messages and direct messages have substituted face to face interaction , uh a lot of people today prefer to talk to someone online than face to face and when they're actually in a situation where they have to talk to someone face to face they prefer not to or they're not good at


one example of this would be, it would be a lot of political figures we have seen today who make a lot of statements on the internet, using twitter for example and what they say can have an adverse effect on society


whereby if someone does not have the proper communication skills to compose a proper message it can lead to a lot of problems and misunderstandings as we have seen so this kind of shows that there's a there's been a decline in social and interpersonal skills


same, it's okay, okay so uh what you have said right about the increase in the quality of life that's true but that's not the focus of this question it's actually the skills and I agree with what you said with


technology is a new skill and we have been learning new skills thanks to technology but I still think that we have been losing a lot of essential skills as well a lot of, old skills have been replaced like for example when you go to fast food chains now


the role of a cashier is replaced by a machine in partially, so that's one, that's one way whereby manpower has been replaced with technology and it might be beneficial for us but along, with this a lot of essential skills have been lost as well as a lot of research has shown that


people today have especially teenagers are lacking in interpersonal skills, and this has been linked to depression among students because socialising is a human need and


and ya so because of this there's been a rise in, student depression as we have seen, along uh no along with this, uh uh other skills such as patience have suffered as well ever since tiktok was improved a lot of psychologists and scientists have brought forth the fact that


today social media and movies have encourage, viewers to have a shorter attention span another example of this will be the Lego movie if you have watched the Lego movie you would see that it shoots very fast


like there are many frames in one second because of this you have to like constantly, pay attention and stare at the screen to know what's going on if you compare this to a movies in the nineteen hundreds or the eighteen hundreds you would see that frames move much slower and it's easier to follow because of the slower pace but today we have


an increase in attention span, which means that we we are able to focus on one thing lesser, another thing that I want to point out is because of technology specifically social media, it has been linked to an increased in impulsivity and lesser self control and this has been linked to an increase in eating disorders as well which has been found directly correlated to social media


so because of the increase in technology we have lost these essential skills such as patience self control and controlling our impulsivity, which are all personal skills that, we needed to lead a healthy personal life in my opinion


okay uh uh ya just now you said that I said that the, the fast food restaurant cashiers being replaced by machines is a bad thing but actually I meant that it was a good thing I was just giving an example of skills changing as well and but I was saying that some skills that were important were also changed such as


uh interpersonal skills and patience , things like that which you didn't really address, but anyway I wanted to mention one more thing about the excel sheet so you were mentioning that things have become easier and it's been easier to to do certain task however this


has also led, uh experts in the field to conclude that because of this uh our intellect has been decreasing, whereas in the past we will need to read books and research a lot when we had a question now we can just find the answer with one click


this has resulted in people being lazy and not bothering to think so this has actually decrease our, intellect and our natural ability to communicate well with others as well


(mmhmm)


now there are some experts in the field that think that it's, it's because it's correlated to technology technology may not be the cause but it's definitely perpetuating the issue, ya because, a lot of these teens like a I'm focusing because the the research that I'm quoting here is on teenagers


and then one of the causes of their depression getting worse is because of a lack of social skills which is correlated to an increase in technology as well, so I I agree that it may not be for everyone but there's definitely a group that's affected by technology


and because of this their interpersonal skills have decreased, interpersonal skills I would say is defined by the ability to communicate well with someone else


ya because of social, because of uh social media and typing on the phone as well as using emojis to express emotions people have, not been able to communicate as effectively face to face according to research


but socialising is a human need though, ya kind of feels like you're agreeing with my point as well, because you agree that we do lose certain skills


but how do you measure if that's positive or negative because I think that that's negative because it has shown that it has decreased attention span decreased patience as well as


it has been correlated to an increase in eating disorders and depression so if you say that is positive then I would like to ask like how is it positive


it's correlated, it definitely makes the issue worse though


so I would say that it's contributing to it, so it's not positive


part three debate topic three


okay so I'm the opposition I think that technology should be restricted and not, and and country shouldn't have unlimited opportunities to conduct research this is because if we give them


unlimited opportunities then there is a chance that they would develop disruptive technologies that are disruptive to other countries or even the earth, this is why we have like the UN to place certain


boundaries, certain caps on to control the amount of harmful chemicals that are being released into the environment because we know because of this, this knowledge that technology can be disruptive, also as more research is put into science the chances of a country applying it to create weapon technologies is very high


so you were mentioning that different countries have different ideologies like USA versus china's communism, this means that that, any country with a certain agenda can use technology to create weapons to achieve whatever means that it wants like if it wants to


have more resources it could invade another country so this is why we have to like put in restrictions so that, we can make sure that, certain roles are being kept ya and this is this should be done as a means of deterrence and protection from hostile actions by other countries


because nations that dislike the influence and powers of another dominant country might abuse their scientific knowledge to create technology for the sole purpose of threatening smaller countries as we have seen in world war two and world war one


ya and then another reason why I think that we should actually place restrictions is because of ethical reasons, some of these ethical reasons include animal testing for example in order to create an a product that's beneficial and necessary for humans you might need to test it on animals first however this


can, this has sparked some controversy as well because some people believe that we shouldn't let animals suffer for us so therefore we need to place some restrictions so that this is not overdone as as well as some guidelines to be kept


and then another, reason that ethical issues arise is because of religious reasons for example cloning, has sparked widespread, conflict in the religious communities and some religions believe that cloning is wrong and this goes on for other issues as well like IVF


babies, so this is why I think that we should limit scientific research so that everyone can be, eh sorry I mean technology, eh ya scientific research so that everyone can be happy and we can live in harmony


, okay just now you were saying that ya because uh like if if we restrict then a lot of good discoveries will be, could be missed but that's also by the assumption that every country has positive intentions like


if you look at the past right so during the cuban missile crisis there was an arms race between the soviet union and the united states because both of them wanted to be the top of, them, the market lah they wanted to have the greatest technologies however


this would have been prevented if the market wasn't free in the first place and there were some limit to how much scientific research can be done, as as if two countries are competing very competitively other areas of need could be neglected and also their economies could be burned out


and affected if there's tensions and political tensions between two countries because both of them want to have the best research, and also another, area I want to point out is if there is no limits of scientific research then a lot of profit driven companies could engage in


in products for the wealthier people as they would be making more profit and this could increase the widening gap between the rich and the poor as there'll be a lot of there could be more things, that, the rich can can afford and the poor cannot so this will create a widespread wealth gap


however freedom could also be very destructive as we have seen like in the middle east there is a lot of crisis and and that's why a lot of, external countries have to be involved you mentioned that, the outcome of the cuban missile crisis was good


however while it was happening the economy of cuba and, america suffered a lot because of the political, tensions between the two countries and this political tension would be minimised if there was no competition


so that's why I still that's why I think that, that there should be a restriction on scientific research so that countries don't, are not in a, in a too high pressure to compete with each other


it depends because, as I've mentioned before research on, medical, and the medical field might widen the gap between the rich and the poor of the nation like for example if they


if eh by the way do you, act include cosmetics under medical, , okay so, ya uh cosmetic industry is not really affordable to the poor but only to the rich so if a lot of companies invest on it and only the rich are able to afford it then this will further increase and highlight the wealth gap between the rich and the poor and this will crumble the society


the structure of the society that they live in so I think that even in the medical field there should be some guidelines to be followed, as the medicine can be harmful to animals as well and might go against certain religions


we could be but


I think we should limit research based on countries but rather based on human morals, and and to preserve social and, international harmony


yes though I agree that we shouldn't limit a country just because it doesn't align with our beliefs but


we should restrict it for for ethical reasons and also to maintain harmony, for example if they possess a threat, like like it shouldn't, limit north korea's medical research more than other countries are are restricted


but, perhaps if they really pose a threat, to to another country's safety then perhaps you will need to place limits on their arms


that would that sounds like, that is a possibility uh of why some people do it however I think that's not the reason they should limit, the reasons that I mentioned before should be the reason that they should limit , but I agree with you on the UN being corrupt which is why stricter guidelines and a more fairer voting system where everyone's opinion is heard would be preferred and ideal


part one debate topic one, okay so so the first question we have for our debate is human need not profit should always be the main concern of scientific research


so I'm uh I'll be doing the proposition, so, I believe that human needs should always be the main concern of scientific research so one of the reasons why I believe this is because okay first of all let me define what is scientific research scientific research refers to the creative and systematic work undertaken to increase the stock of knowledge


so it basically means is to like progress further to improve knowledge so when we look at this question uh we should think what what is human is human needs is not human wants that means is something that requires a solution so


human needs can also be like rephrased as human like, issues that have not that require a solution so this means like it's a pressing matter that has to be like solve and like if we have profit on our minds like uh instead of just focusing on the human need then we wouldn't be able to progress


so for example a human need for example is proper sanitation there's currently over two point five billion people who doesn't who have no access to improve sanitation according to the CDC dot gov website this is and


this is a industry where there isn't much profits that you can make cause no one's going to uh the countries that have low sanitation are countries that are not willing to pay money for it so it's uh area where there isn't any profits, that over there but then if people are very like profit orientated then uh they would this sector will never get better like people would never have proper sanitation and it would lead to a lot of disease and uh spread of other stuff so


uh human need should be the focus so for example the bill gates foundation actually, prioritise human needs and they actually built four thousand toilets in india where the waste is processed naturally by worm so this was through one of their research


and ya so through this research where they prioritise human need they actually manage to build four thousand plus toilets in india, , so like I said just now so my my point of view is that human needs should always be the main concern of the scientific of scientific research


ya the opposition


okay s so just now you said that if people don't have money they have no motivation, and you also said stuff like how profits uh it should be profit, more profit oriented because research costs money and things like that so I would like to say that just because uh


just because, a company can earn great profit doesn't mean that they'll spend the money they earn on research so for example drug companies they're very notorious for this, they actually they, usually, once they get uh a lot of money they they wouldn't use the money to


further their research they will actually purchase other patents and stuff like that to increase wealth so for example a company called uh mylan they actually record made record profits in the early two thousands but instead of using the extra cash to further their research they actually spent it on uh buying


this another company called epipen in two thousand and seven and this so this, this kind of shows that, just because you earn more money doesn't mean you spend the money on research, so, another thing I like to point out is consumer behaviours actually predicted upon human need so what does this mean this means like


so for to earn profits you need to have , like you need to have consumer like it you have to observe the consumer behaviour first if you want to earn any profit like you bless it, based on the research like if you are going to conduct a research you're going to have to see how to earn money from it from from my point of view ah you going to have to see how to earn money and then like you want to see how the consumers behave so you know how to make the best profit so if you think about it it's actually consumer behaviour is the same as human need to see what the humans need


so for example uh, the invention of the invention of penicillin uh which is actually the backbone of antibiotics it was actually created by this person called alexander fleming who, who created it because who created it in response


due to world war one uh there was a lot of soldiers dying and he he actually managed to invent this and this actually ended up helping a lot of people making a lot of profits so uh what I'm trying to say is that consumer behaviour is predicted on human need so like


just because you were just because you focused on human need doesn't mean you can't make any profits


okay uh I get what you mean when you say that uh human needs are never ending, but if human needs if you are if, one is too profit oriented and like focus too much on the profits and like doesn't focus on the human needs then like society wouldn't really progress


ya just go on, then uh ya so, sorry so , if we ya if we do not focus on the human needs then we'll never progress as a society so for example


let's look at uh developed countries versus non developed countries if developed countries continue to like develop based on profits and like continue develop but no one helps out the less developed countries like just now I mentioned the sanitation uh example like if no one works


on ways where you can research to develop their their countries then like there's going to be like a part of the population that is left out that's going to be dragging the entire population down, so I feel like if you are too profit oriented you wouldn't be able to progress as a society and you'll actually


be like holding back because you're not able to meet basic human needs in some areas, okay ya alright okay okay so just now uh ya I kind of agree with you when you said that but then just now you said that people won't you can get more uh researchers and get more people interested into


the research if you have more money correct I feel like , there's always there's always money there's somewhere like it doesn't mean like that research has to earn profits for you to pay the researchers like for example government funding can be implemented to like this type of research


instead of just so that people don't, focus too much on the profit


actually isn't money just the human concept, if you think about it, as in you said money is finite, isn't money just okay actually


for for example like universities in singapore they actually , they they take they get, their funding for their different researchers for for their different research and stuff is actually not mainly from governments actually from people like not how do I say is from donors and stuff like that people that want to have this kind of research so


many of most of the research they do in for example NUS it isn't really, like very profit, like, it isn't a hundred percent towards, profit is like based on it's just something that they're interested in something like that it isn't profit related isn't human related


I this this just my uh ya I feel like that's how some of the research is going now


okay I mean that's true in the human perspective as in, to to that's typical human behaviour to want to have recognition for something okay but like the, question is asking should human need be the, main concern I feel like human human need like you mentioned just now earlier on the debate like it's


it's very like a broad like, you wouldn't like there's so many different kinds of needs and like many of the actually some of the needs can earn a lot of profit but like others can't earn profit, ya so actually I feel like, after this debate I feel like it should be around like both


like if you have focused on both need and profit and like find a somewhere in the middle and like, conduct research based on that


part two debate topic two


ah okay ah sorry


okay so so I'm the opposition so I'm saying that technology has not had a negative impact on the skill level of people, so one of the reasons why I believe this is, because I I believe that technology itself is a type of skill that people can pick up


so , it's cause the different different types of thing that comes with technology that you take different skills to use for examples , people uh that are of age or elderly people they will actually


they, did not grow up in the era of using uh handphones and things like that so they do not have that so called skill to use uh mobile phones and things like that so I feel like technology is a type of skill


so I I can even go ahead and say that it's actually a improvement to some other skills so, for example uh in the past when people wanted to like communicate amongst other people uh that


from far they usually send letters and the mail will travel for few days and then it will reach them and that's how they communicate but right now in our mobile phones we can actually communicate between each other in like mere seconds, uh so this is


a major improvement, than the uh major improvement to the skill it takes and like in the past when they used to write letters and things like that they actually, wrote a lot of , they have to sit down and they have to have like different skills like they have to be able to write with their hands they have to be able to


post them stuff like that uh but then uh now in our current time our the skill has actually like we don't have to write we can just type it on our phone so people that do not pick up the skill of writing they can still communicate with others without, uh writing it out so it's a type of uh I feel like it's a


is a type of skill it's actually improvement to several other skills, and just now you mention about the socialising uh I feel like they have not been affected but actually they have evolved how people socialise now so , in the recent pandemic uh as you can see socialising is no longer has no longer been uh meeting people outside cause we cannot go outside uh it has actually evolved over to you meetings skype calls video chats basically it so


it isn't that they're getting affected in a negative way but I feel like it's just evolving into something else, so in the past , in like prehistoric times maybe uh people, they the way that they acted the way that they communicated and things like that uh even the way that they got their food and stuff like that uh it it's very primitive and like ya but then uh as you like zoom forward time like as technology improve like once they discovered uh


things like uh heat and stuff like that then like it actually has like improved over time and like the quality of life has gone up thanks to technology, so ya I feel like technology has been a has not been a negative, impact on uh humans ya


nine minutes and fifty one seconds, ya ya sure sure


uh proposition


okay just now you mention that you gave the cashier example how essential skills have have been like lost, because of technology so as I mentioned just now I believe that this is because times are changing and like humans are evolving so technological advancements have like uh just now you mentioned uh


it has led to the degradation of skills that people required for their jobs but this isn't necessarily a bad thing for example the cashier thing uh when you mentioned like the cashing uh like their duties were were replaced by a machine, but the thing is


this actually opens up, opportunities for them to help the supermarket in other ways like for example restocking they can go and like restock they can pick up that skill so it doesn't necessarily uh, make them lose their skill but actually it uh


eases them up for opens them up for learning other skills and stuff like that so many jobs today are very reliant on like information technology and like a lot of your, jobs are ya so , in the past the jobs were more manual orientated like you have to like physically do labour and things like that but now most of the job has been automated and like uh ya so


the skill set required for you to do your daily things have changed over the past few years, so , I feel like the fact that technology is getting uh more bigger is isn't impacting


the skill set negatively because there's a, as technology improves the skill sets needed is completely changing so in the past uh to communicate with people you had to, physically talk now you have to physically uh go and then talk or you have to send letters and things like that now uh people don't send letters anymore because the times have changed the skills that are required to communicate are different from


what was required fifty years ago, so ya, another example I would like to bring up is about the Microsoft excel which actually use you use it to tabulate or and organise and analyse data and things like that so in the past accountants like uh maybe a few hundred years ago before


uh before Microsoft excel came out like people had to physically write it on a piece of uh sheet of paper on tables and they have to actually, uh and they have to, uh pass it over like they have to physically write it down but now and they have to physically calculate uh values and stuff like that which is actually subject to human error but then now with a software we can actually do all of that without uh error and like it's much more efficient so it isn't really a


it isn't really a negative impact it's actually a positive impact, in the skill set like it just it's just that your skills that are required last time have changed because of technology


uh just now uh now is already down to the last five minutes so it's open debate so ya so just now you mentioned about how there's more cases of depression coming up when things like that, right uh I feel like, that's mainly because not merely because of technology but because


the global situation is just changing, uh more and more like in the past people like, some like for example science certain science, science topics were not discovered in the past so the topics that they have to learn is like much lesser but then now is like a lot more compared to last time so like a lot of the people these days are more overwhelmed


and things like that so that might be the cause of why they have depression and things I don't think it's necessarily involved directly, I don't think technology is directly in the reason for that


uh when you say interpersonal skills what do you mean, I feel like ya you you say first


in the direction that we are headed, they've had their possibility where in the future we would not even have to communicate face to face, so like I was saying just now I feel like as technology improves the skill set required changes over time so it doesn't it may negatively impact the skills that people used to have but I feel that it doesn't negatively impact the skills required for living


like I I think it impacts it in a positive way and not in negative way


ya I agree that we lose certain skills but like, I feel that, the skills required for daily living is changing everyday, so even though we lose our old skills like which is not needed anymore to function


so like for example the socialising thing you mentioned just now right , I feel like it's opening up a new kind of socialising, not like how it used to be like in the past maybe you socialise, with like your friends and family like like the way you socialise is like you talk about like daily events and things like that that happen in your neighbourhood something like that but like now socialising can be things like oh you talk about what happened in america you talk about what happened in uh japan stuff like that like


your like it's different kind of socialising


it's positive I mean like I said just now you cannot really, hundred percent directly blame it on technology like you said just now also you also agreed right it's not it may not be the cause, but it's somewhere there but ya


I guess okay, okay it's already past twenty minute


yeah


part three debate topic three


okay so the question is should every country have the right to carry out unlimited scientific research so I'm the proposition and I say that every country should have the right to carry out limited, unlimited scientific research so scientific research as I mentioned the definition just now is basically to increase the stock of knowledge so


ya so I believe that is because like every country has like different perspective and different goals, and they should be allowed to have the freedom to do what they want, and like we should we should we should believe them that like we should


understand them and like we should expect them to be responsible of what happens, because ya, so for example different perspectives and different goals so when we look at countries like , USA they have a very


uh, what's the word uh liberal uh they've a very like open perspective and like their their main goal is to, achieve like growth of their own nation and like, growth of like other nations as well things like that then when we look at like china for example they have a communist perspective and they have a goal of rapidly achieving growth for their nation and things like that


so they have different perspective and different goals and this means they have different levels of motivation so , the research they produce will be different, and would be a very large diversity and like different different kinds of research can be done so this will actually help like the overall research like overall discovery like


everything improve like the stock of knowledge it will just go up, if people are if countries are not limited to their scientific research, so I feel like if you leave countries like if countries have unlimited research they'll provide like


more research than they could if you were to limit them, and if we were to limit ourselves like if you were to, limit countries, on research we would lose like, we may have a we may lose, valuable research so for example darwin when he came up with this theory for the evolution of mankind like he was he was very he was very shunned by the church and like


a lot of the like the church actually tried to limit his research because it wasn't like aligning with their beliefs and like if, they actually manage to limit it and like then we wouldn't be able to have the research that you present now wouldn't be have we wouldn't be able to have the knowledge that of evolution and like darwin's theories are actually were actually the foundational stone for many new medicine that have been discovered


so if we were to limit research, based on the countries we were to limit research we would be able we wouldn't be we might lose out on valuable research ya


okay so just now you said that uh if countries have unlimited research they might use they might misuse the research and like, it might affect the entire earth as a as its own right but the thing is research no matter how disruptive it can be it's still research and it's something new


so for example like uh, albert einstein he discovered uh his theory was used to make the nuclear nuclear weapons and stuff like that yes it has a destructive properties but his theories are also the reason why there is like nuclear energy which is much more effective than like other uh other power sources


so it may it may appear to have , it may it may appear to have negative impacts at the start but like overall like !wah! once if, a certain research is made like it can also be used for good, so


I believe that it should be that I believe that countries should have the right to carry limited research scientific research but I also believe that like , protocol should be put in place where this research are not


allowed uh not allowed as in that this research do not end up becoming used in disruptive manners, like I feel like the research can be conducted but like , for example the UN should do something about


to should stop them from developing it further into a destructive aspect, ya


okay, so , like I said just now the, ya like I said just now uh so uh my main point is countries should have the right to carry out unlimited research so


it, countries like for example you mentioned the cuban missile crisis correct so you said there were two nations that were like rushing to get arms and things like that so that wasn't, they were rushing to uh research on like new weapons and things like that so that they will be the


highest, ya but uh looking back at it like , there was tension between them and then that's why they did it but then now like when you look at it there's not much tension and like those very weapons they made like they are actually used to protect the country as well


so like it may appear as disruptive at the beginning but like uh, it will it might end up being good so I feel like just because something might be bad, doesn't mean it should be limited, so that's why I feel like every country should have the right to have unlimited scientific research


plus this borderline on freedom so like it's if every country should have the freedom cause uh, they shouldn't just be like one person that says that oh this is the only type of research you can do like things like that there should be freedom freedom should be allowed for everyone


okay uh we're reaching five minutes so it's going to be a open debate so I actually want to ask you a question so there's different kind of scientific research like there's medical research for example, then there's like arm like research on weapons stuff like that so under medical research


do you think there should be limitations for other countries, cause some countries might might from what you said, uh ya uh so shouldn't be any uh limitations on medical research


ya you can, okay assuming they are in


, but uh the thing is what if you were to, what if you were to like limit the research then it ends up something a cure that could've been discovered isn't discovered there's always the possibility of something new and good being discovered and like I feel like if you don't give the opportunity to for that to happen then we'll be losing out on a lot


I mean at at the end of the day like uh we will not we wouldn't know what our research could be used for like there are many like for example albert einstein didn't know that his research was going to be used in a destructive manner, but it still was


so I feel like , if people wanted to use it use any form of research in a bad way they would use it in a bad way but like if you were to limit countries based on their behaviour right now then , uh like


I feel like it won't really help, their country improve as well so for example for like north korea right now if you were to limit like their research capacities like, uh by more like, I feel like they wouldn't be able to develop even more and like come out of their current state


and like develop as a country if you were to limit their research


, okay oh ya you were saying


so, okay let's let's say there are limits being placed, who who would be the one determining determining these limits and stuff like that so for example let's say you say the UN is the one that uh limits their research and things like that but the UN is very like


capitalist and biased towards them so like, isn't it just like uh, you do want you do want you want to find the research you want to discover something faster than the other person isn't that what motivate as in isn't that the thing that people are trying to do when they try to limit other people research


okay, ya so to conclude I I, I believe that the there should be unlimited scientific research for every country but I believe that uh maybe it should be limited slightly so that it doesn't get off hand to become something disruptive


yeah she already pass twenty minutes


okay debica are you already let's begin, it's seventeen minutes already so let's go


there is no such thing as bad art okay so I believe in so because sometimes art is so bad right, that is good , ya I I believe that you have seen the meme of mona lisa space and the scream and or being wop sided even the paint color is off


but, it's still being sold at auction at, a very huge price, so there is also I I really believe that no such thing as a bad art because, modern art times right, this toilet bowl fixture


done by, michelle grueson uh I believe that's his name uh it's just a, toilet bowl basin, with his signature on it, and it's on and it's on display at the museum


and people would you know bids for it at like five million dollars such so, ya be it bad, I mean it's still briving bringing in revenue it's still bringing in money the economy is still there oh and my gosh and bad art really you know helps the economy a lot it contributes a lot and there isn't even a museum for bad arts


so I mean, there is no such thing as bad art because, people still have a laugh at it people still love it people still you know, , buy it even, do you wannna comment on it


the you know after you brought up the fact right, that you know to it each of its own what is bad art what is good art, to think of it even on if if you think on the dark side of art, you know artists they take drugs they take


like, different kind of things just to influence their art itself so in the background the backstory of the painting might be something that however is still there it there is still a outcome to it like van gogh, van gogh


took drugs different kind of drugs and he painted portraits of himself over the years and it shows the digression and how his, perception of, things of colours of shapes and form changes over the, period of time and it turned out to be a marvellous work and you know at the end of the day the artist still dies


and you know that's a bad point but like you know you've got such good history of art being recorded just because of something bad that he, did and something that he experienced in so you know, maybe in a form, you can say that


really there's no such thing as bad art you know, unless you want to digress and you know, tell me what is so bad about it


yes yes yes debica art is a very subjective but you're supposed to disagree that there is bad art ,


I mean in a sense if you want to think of it right bad art , there are there are artists that, that just that the


from what you are saying right I, bringing up the fashion part I do feel that arts come in many different forms and functions as, well err, studying architectural wise, it's also considered an art because it came out of nothing and you know they're like gods creating buildings out of nowhere


so in a sense that, there are good buildings and there are bad buildings okay why don't you just tell me like one kind of building that you don't like, in singapore in terms of singapore what do you not like what building do you not like or like something that you do not like because of the shape while the size or the colour


, ya ya I know shopping I I mean I mean know which which which shop you're, talking about, okay so


in a sense I do feel that, like you say there is a good point and bad point taking in terms of art, the spherical shape of it is very, I mean it's, it's very good and it's really well done because you don't really see it as an oval shape or like a


a a bad shape even if it were to be a bad shape right in in a sense of arts also if you think of it if it's if it even if it's a so-called, bad building and bad arts, it still looks good and it's still a structure out of at the end of the day it's still there unless it collapses and people dies out of it


then like you know but art don't do that, art allows you to stand from afar uh even like close up to just, monitor and look at the small tiny bits oh my gosh okay that saying, even if you look at arts that are drawn by kids


they think it's bad correct, but at the end of the day you can just, look at the picture you can just stare at it and you can see the child's


how the child hold holds the crayon how hard they press on it how how smooth the paper is or how rough the paper is uh end of the day it's still something that, people will appreciate you know in in upfront close even in a sense of you know blank paintings just like one whole colour


people people will be like no this is not art that kind of stuff so, that is still a so-called, experience or a journey towards it, if you were to stand in front of a blank piece of painting what would you say


or what would you think of, like imagine a black canvas just a black canvas, , okay, okay okay I mean some people some people can just


be like, they they they they stand there and they just stare into the canvas, correct ya they can just stand there and, you know some people feel uh overwhelming sense of like doom or darkness, and


at the end of the day it's still an experienced outcome so it's a good thing, don't don't you feel like even if you look look even if you were to stand in front of the canvas you will feel like uh feel like drawing on it because it's blank or like there's nothing on it, it still makes you want to do something about it


to me no, I really don't think there's bad art at all


are you checking the time width okay


I do too,


as in I mean as you can hear from my debate itself I think there it there is really no such thing as bad art, oh okay yeah there is no such thing as bad art , to help you with your point right


it's only a bad art right if I feel that a painting is haunted, ya, have you heard of paintings like being cursed and burning down houses and like causing murders in the house just because of the presence of the painting


ya there's ah ya there is there's such thing , , I mean I'm helping you on that point but like, if you really wanna look


ya at that the I think that's the only thing that we can conquer at the end of the day like bad art also is still art uh I mean like haunted paintings are still art but it's just bad on the outcome and not, , really bad on the experience uh uh no I ya on the experience part itself


so I think both can be art


ya, ya I think it's in a sense of whether people appreciate art or not uh on on or which spectrum that they are on because like like what you said music genres also


like I can you you appreciate scribble but I don't then to me that's bad music, but ya so I get what you are trying to say also


maybe bad art can also be considered as a economical crisis, no such thing as bad art I think that, what what what is in a sense that you're an artist


and you only get famous after, you die, and you don't benefit anything out of it, so maybe in a sense that it can be bad art as well because, you don't benefit from it and you're the artist also


it may just me me being an artist that's the reason why I didn't want to take art


err, what else can you consider art, first there is the background story of arts and there's also the upfront story of arts, like uh, like what just now I mentioned about the taking drugs kind of thing, there are also artist that okay so people people might disagree that mona lisa is a very nice piece of painting because


that from from the looks of it and from the painting of it you you you don't really see like oh what's so special about this it's just a woman smiling but when you get to know the background story of it it's different, so I mean everybody knows mona lisa because


uh it used to be just, a normal painting at the corner of a room like people don't even bother they'll just walk by and then just like look at it and then they walk away, and then uh, right now it's just one whole gigantic wall and


and everybody and there is like a two-metre boundary away from the wall and everybody is just rushing to the front just to take a picture of, her the story uh the backstory of her is that, she used to be


just this very poor woman and only when you are a rich person you are able to afford a painting of yourself or a portrait of yourself, but, when you look at it, right now in context


uh to back then imagine a a just poor person getting a free portrait picture painted and she's smiling so happily you don't really see gold chains around her her her her, the clothes that she's wearing is very simple very you know very folk folk town and not a rich person so if you look forward now uh back then you're poor and then now just being famous by being poor


that's that's like another story so, the back story is pretty sad and then now is like a good thing, it just creates awareness also I mean on another side people known her for you know being stolen


ya she was stolen and she went missing for I think about fifteen twenty years, or she re-surfaced or people or or the police caught her caught I mean not caught her caught the thief and then you know brought them to the museum ya


I I mean this topic, actually I was blank at first on what to talk about but now I know, I mean like you can talk about your experience of dancing as well, oh yes


ya, on why you think people don't appreciate it


how about we tackle one thing err one by one thing like theater then dance then music, going to attend on the point where you know


singaporeans appreciate the appeal of theater, okay in a sense that you know you don't it it in a sense where is not necessarily in a, a very big stage type like you know a musical or something like that but more on the point of


this, at the the, stop breathing into your mic, okay so in a sense right if you look at theater


and movies so you see like the les misérables, that's a four hours movie people sits still sit through it or is it six people still sit through it they watch it and like they speak in posh english, accent so you don't understand what they're talking


about ya but, people still sit through it and the dancing and singing I I believe everybody appreciates singing in like a movie, like look at high school musical, that is definitely a music


a theater kind of appeal like, it music uh high school musical are supposed to just be a movie, and something, that it's not supposed to be you know on disney channel and it was it was something to be on disney channel but not in the movies at all but high school musical three went out in the


movies and they made like huge profits out of it, they raised the stars to uh to being too famous, another another theatre show is uh just came out one , what's no no no not the other one the the the hugh jackman is it hugh jackman no no no


uh, yes the greatest showman, right, ya look at the like the similar ratings for it people vote people just go to the cinema and watch over and over again


so I think that, theatre has differing attributes of it one is the music, one is the storyline the other part is the actors that are in it so


definitely there is a appeal if one or two don't appeal to you then, like okay that's the reason why you're here to talk


err okay at the end of the day right I feel ya like what you mentioned about the old person, not appreciating the culture uh I do find it weird that there is a contradiction because these old people right you know let's say that this month is the hungry ghost month and and have this Getai


do sit down like they do sit down in like you know on the first row but like we on the second row , they sit down on the second row and they still, you know they they, ya they enjoy the show, so


they just don't want a career out of it but they do appeal and like appreciate it, in some, sense uh even you know, last time, correct yes is, depending on I mean the culture as well ya


I mean they won't make they might not wanna sit down in front of a stage and then watch their kid dance ballet you know with the swan lake and all that stuff, maybe something it's something cute if you know like, like like I was saying is either the person the music or either the the storyline of it so if you were to go to one of these is because you know you wanna support somebody and that must be the main focus but there's still this small like appreciation because at end of day it still makes you you know like I said just now like they make these still makes you smile and you still get something out of it


you get, so ya I mean another way right if you want to look at like dance, like just now why you said also, you said dance is


CCAs, uh be it you know back then back then when we were in primary school it was just like chinese dance malay dance, ya modern dance, and then now you look at it like


ya it's just a mixture everywhere already, ya like the one that you dance, , like the ones that you dance


like what you said in a sense western like singaporeans, uh towards western but, there is also the extreme end of supporting the k-pops you know, right right oh maybe


in general I like everybody really appreciates musics and be it whatever genre or anything it's just a way uh I music can relate to everybody, in any manner, in her the next


ya if you really want if we if if you were really to what is that called if we really want to rate this right music


and dance and theatres, because I feel that ya because is more for the, luxury people and the rich people, so you know, maybe the lower class people will


yup yup I definitely agree with you, ya, and I mean like if you wan to go back on the point of theatres right, so err, remember I travelled to london


every single corner of the street right, there is a theatre, at and paid like, fifty pounds seventy pounds I mean all the way until like hundred plus pound


for the best seats and, it's around the block and in singapore do you see any theaters anywhere, ya oh I mean ya ya ya


a new ya


in a sense right if you want to compare, I feel like, meaning there isn't much awareness of it because


, look at our economy we're doing so well but why do we not have a, a lot of like a lot of, appreciation towards the theaters and dance and even arts, there wasn't much , focus on expanding uh I guess or I or


you know, teaching us about arts and to appreciate it


ya I mean even if the in a sense you see the way they portray art is very weird because they don't portray it as a positive thing but more of a secondary thing


because like if you if you go home and watch TV sometimes you know they have this uh groom my room or like or like, design my house that kind of thing but they make it more of a lifestyle show instead of you know showing what it is of like the real design of the space like they don't emphasize the


, they go and they don't go and emphasize the major details of the different space uh the reason why the layout is in, that way I mean maybe because, we don't want to bore the the the crowd, but they often want to make it more entertaining for people to just watch


and like ya correct and sometimes, ya and like sometimes they just show it they they just like show like oh you save this amount of money by just during this and that, so there's not much of the appreciation there as well because you know entertainment is overrided with


just the whole entire the, the the idea of you know just appreciating and, uh in a sense right I do feel that you know we are really lacking in theaters


like you said the we only have like MBS where's the art, ya what's the other place, ya and esplanade and then like, the only one theater that we all know and we can only access when we pay


eighty dollars for it is the USS, when I go to USS right I really loved the, theatre shows and then I just go and ya yes and no not really like camera action is the the pantheon pantheon stage space


pantage, ya that's the that's the stage you know the one where they they do the perform dancing and the yup yup yup


maybe ya in in a sense right also if you think of it like what you said like street shows, correct and there is a huge crowd to it so


ya in a sense like if it may need someone you know playing with the glass balls and then they will link it like very well and, trying to hula hoops and all that stuff you know some people might just think that it's not as it's not a so-called


yes and especially in a location like where where location is not prime and not I mean orchard road is quite prime but the location and the surrounding is not a really good place to you know have a theatre and draw curtains that kind with very good music, and then people will start to think that you know this is not art this is like just a street show if like rubbish and then like just walk away and don't really appreciate


uh in terms uh I mean if, we want to come to a conclusion what will you say


correct ya I think it's based on topic and term as well like more in-depth because, theatre is one thing dance is another music everybody relates to it so there is different appreciation for a different kind of


okay lets start


so I start I start, so arts are luxury, arts provide a experience and


it also gives people emotion and expresses ideas and you know work even world views so without arts right people's perceptions will never change and in order for you to get experience you have to use money to buy it


is this where I'm going with this, see where I'm going with this, yup yes you have to pay for experience you have to pay for exposure you have to pay to appreciate something


you know with ya just without money you can't get arts, I will I want to I want to hear your point, on what you have to say to this first


like like without money, you don't get arts, so what why, do you think arts is a necessity, when even like in in in a sense if of a low low low class not not low class ya you know what I mean


you just you just agreed with me on a point where you know, arts is luxury because, in a sense if, you don't have money you're not going to be able to cook and you're not going to be a able to appreciate the arts


ya uh okay then but if you look back on that point also


where are the base products gonna come from if there isn't money, so you can't exactly cut your own meat without the cow and from the cow you need money and from the cow and the money that you have


then you get that meat, you don't grow cows yourself


so ya so if if if given that you you still have to take care of it you still have to pay for it in order for you to be accessible to it, you know you have to you have to grow it in order for you to get it


okay so let me continue on another point, so let's say if you were to go to the movies, you have to pay for an entry in order for you to get access to this art, but you go to a museum you have to pay to enter and you can and and you have it in for you to even create a piece of art you have to


fork out that initial amount of money as well so arts is is a form of luxury be it cheap arts even even music if we considered that as art you have to pay for the music,


err and in in terms of that right


uh that's, let's work with the poor people fact, oh not fact but like the, discussion but uh more on like if you were a poor person and you don't afford and you can't afford education you will not be able to uh be exposed to all these kind of arts and this kind of topics that are available


be it you know on the sideline thinking of whether to do your own arts right, is another thing and, uh it's how you want to approach it as well I guess it's more on


you know luxury for exposure than compared to luxury for you know a necessity, do you wanna touch on a point,


the uh on your point right arts is I feel that is a luxury because you need a phone, in order for you to get


, no but eh when you think of it right uh third world countries they can't afford phones you see all our even our foreign workers, they they they are using the nokias and like unless they really work hard work hard for a like a three-g phone,


in another sense that, there are so many kinds of different arts, the you know charli d'amelio you know she's so-called a art form, and


but okay so the so in a sense right like it's it is a luxury you don't, like like what you said it's to past time if if, you don't have the luxury of time and you don't have the luxury of that money, in the usage then it's not a need what


you can spend your time doing something better you can you can press yourself and learn, you can read a book, , but there is the base form of the but that's the base form of price


I mean yeah but the basis of having a library is the economy has to be firm you know provide for your citizen


the best that it can, imagine a third world country without a library


ya but if you okay india is still okay but if you look cambodia and, textbooks and stuff and all are like, in a sense still donated from someone


I uh I it's it's not a necessity, no but her serious like don't you think is not a necessity


like, like you don't need to have a you don't need to have a PC at home what, all the technologies


ya it's very good of our government,


I honestly think that, arts is everywhere


but is still not a necessary, yes because, one can be influenced by art, and with this influence you need the exposure so it's the same thing like travelling over overseas


yup, you know you need to pay in order to access these so-called arts and luxury for you to widen your mind, or else you will just forever be you know stuck in in whatever context or your environment you are in and just adapt to it and not really you know go out and search for it because you are in a comfortable area or comfortable zone so in in in one form it is like luxury but


in another sense it's also you know not ya ya, ya because you know like what you said you know we can even out the skills on what isn't a luxury and one is a necessity and it comes in so many different forms and arts come in so many different forms


ya, it's so because it's so wide and broad and you I mean


(um uh uh uh, also maybe, you know even though the bases of everything is still about money right, there is still a need for let's say you know like monumental structures


all that staff they still provide a sense of exposure to people and creation ideas to you know, just widen up, their thoughts and, their creativitiness creativity yes yes


I mean ya in another sense literature and poetry even ya, ,


I mean also like, this few days you know the the things that are coming up are like you know graphic graphic graphic even whatever we see if we are looking at on our screens, we are for it the phones the design


you know, correct ya the, ya thanks for bringing your coding, no


it's not art is is is IT, I IT, okay sure so I mean, there's so many things that are just


even when you go to the you know like when you go the artscience museum, all these all the the installation and the set up of the art itself is very expensive the things that they put into the time the the materials the effort and resources everything is expensive but


like it's cheap to it's open up cheap to the mass population so that everyone can really appreciate and go in and really you know at the end of the day still get exposed to this whole entire thing, ya it's just a new experience for everybody [loh]


putting also, you know some some sculptures can be very weird in shapes and everything but people can stand there and you know, when I look at it you look I think it's different, and when you look at it's a like another


ya I I think it's a very good thing uh, and it I uh in conclusion, ya in conclusion, arts


three minutes right


!huh! so fast ah okay okay sure


for my opinion uh whatever you said was can I can take it to my hand but then, for me, uh there is such thing as bad art ah but then, uh to be honest is to each of its own ya it's like some people may think that one art is


bad and another art is bad but then like, ya, so there's no like proper argument whether there's good or bad art but it's all due to your own imagination technical like for chef also, like like cooking yes


they can plate like a very disgusting dish but then as long as is state it taste good uh that's all that matters so ya for my opinion I feel like to each of its own yes nicole now you can


, I read on this website lah from this website called days, from this person called anna chotova ya she said that bad art is challenging safe and also still lah, and also art has nothing new to offer nothing interesting and to bring on the table even uh background noises at at like elevators and all that it's considered art but then uh


like you can't say like everywhere you go is bad good bad good so it's like you can't pin your own finger to like what people do is good or bad ya so for my stand, I ya, like I can't like differentiate between bad and good


between art ya, from all your points I I still agree to your points because art is very subjective you know


okay yes bad art , , ah okay ya then uh,


ya like from, sorry, ya for example fashion shows they are they are like that is considered art, too right ya so uh there are some artists that actually like do like like for other people it may think like it's quite bad like their like fashion sense it's like torn everywhere then for one person it maybe like eh that one quite bad lah


then after that for another person it'll be like oh that's nice so ya so for one person it may be bad and another, person it may be good yes, so I think that is a point I can put on there, what do you think


one kind of building I don't like ah, apple store that just opened at, there you know which one I talking about or not


some people may think it's bad, ya like ya


like I want to join in ah, no lah, like empty then after that you want to just take a pen and draw only


blank canvas


ya so in the end what do you think is it, is there such thing as bad art


no nothing I I'm still ya, no ya, so uh, ya so in my sense I still feel that there is no, like, clear definition whether there's bad or good


art, in my stand lah even though I must agree or I mean I must disagree ya I must disagree ya to be honest, because I can like I can don't agree to my disagree right, ya so in my opinion I feel that there is ya there's sit still no such thing as bad art lah in my own form because like


for engineering also is a type of art what we do auto care and all that, ya ya same thing lah ya so I feel that, every part of art even music, , engineering architecture anything fashion it's all to each of its own lah ya so it's like there's no such thing as bad art because it will help each I mean help the human race in one point or another yes


if there is such thing as bad bad art lah


for art right, technically if cooking, the taste wise is that art, or it's just the appearance wise


ya so if we want to talk about bad art that could be a point like example like a chef cooks and then example his food doesn't turn out that good so that is an ultimate result of bad art


ya so, I can feel that that is one type of bad art I can think of lah, ya because that one you can't you can't disagree if it's bad like a food taste bad


means it's bad so that is a form, bad art ya, but then if you talk about like music or fashion or anything that one you cannot pinpoint what is, good or bad because that is subjective but then if it's a food is bad means bad


do we have to finish twenty minutes, we got two more minutes


so in conclusion


ya you can bring in a lot of stuff like but then, I need to be against it


oh like personal experience ah


wait what you say I cannot hear you properly


oh the greatest showman, but, do you think singaporeans appreciate it


okay so for theatre wise singaporeans I feel that uh for singaporean wise uh they are not very appreciative, because I know of people like my friends they wanted to go to lasalle and SOTA


but then like the parents are very very very against it, and like they actually had like a whole or saying that if you go to this school you can don't stay at my house kind of thing ya and it's quite ya it's very asian what is this called asian mentality that


they don't appreciate the arts or just particularly these three topics theatre dance and music so, I feel that if singaporeans are more like like especially the older generations like the moms and grandmas I think if they get more what is this called


uh, uh sorry more, well known I mean more, cultured and informative, ya then uh they maybe could appreciate this more and actually help their children to live like a better


life and, take up their passion because you don't see much like slowly it's rising in singapore like all these theater kids coming up and like because of youtube and all that but it's still very difficult to like, like knock in their head like eh arts is very like impactful and like it helps people like to what is it called


express themselves yes, so you want to talk about dance


enjoy the show right, but they appreciate their type of art


it's like their ya


ya that's true also


okay so ya for, ,


ya chinese modern dance hip hop lah I mean hip hop ya then like so many other what's this called uh genres I mean dance styles are coming up


ya, what, oh ya ya ya ya so I, e the last time I was in this dance thing, and then my family was very against it ya so I that is another thing lah asian parents very against us like going into the creativity side so I feel like ya they don't appreciate it ah even though it's such a beautiful


like, place to let out your what is this called your emotions and your stress and then like, due to all these people I mean like children especially like without their family like support and they can like get very like mentally disturbed because they got no outlet to like


like ya then, some like the rising in suicide in singapore is quite a lot lah so I feel like this is due to like, parents not appreciating that and then like putting so much uh emphasis on like their studies so I've ya they don't appreciate art in that form yes


so even for music like there are, singers in a singapore , there are singers in singapore they are slowly rising lah but then is like not like singaporeans I feel like, they are more inclined to western kind of music


so , ya what do you think about music


for music they appreciate music more than the other two in this whole, ya even for the older generation, they prefer music more ya


even my grandma she she appreciates music a lot like she likes elvis and all that then she will like play spotify and all so I feel like they appreciate music like, because it's like ya, an outlet for them to like just boogie and all that


ya, but I feel like singaporeans still get up their game with appreciating, all these other two, , art which is theater and dance


like eh like there isn't there's only maybe one or two, the esplanade one and ya, and there's some at like MBS like they it's just a set up for them to come in, ya, like it's mostly just pre-booked lah there's is no like proper


what's this called max theater set up, ya and every ya even singaporean, they have to like go out there and then like, like, create their own place to like perform themself like even at the roadside because they got no proper place to


what is this called ya so , and most of these people go to esplanade, which is like the hub of all these arts, ya


ya even like if you go to like the news at nine PM like you never ever see any arts related stuff it's mostly just like economics and all that like they don't like maybe in like in america and like when I went to new zealand, like you watch the news they had like some touch on like arts and all that but then singapore is like very why is called very subjective only when there's like the singapore art show or something like that then are when they will touch on it if not they won't like like what is this called


talk about like random like singapore upcoming like what is this called like you see in america they will talk about britney spears, uh madonna like they don't talk about sam willows in singapore they don't talk about uh liu or whatsoever lah so I feel like


if they tap on this may be uh the singapore will appreciate this theatre dance and music more


oh ya


ya they don't focus on the art itself right they make it like more superficial


USS oh ya, oh ya that's true that's true, oh ya that's the lights camera action thingy


okay I don't know what you talking about, oh okay ya ya I understand, , so they are very subject like you only can go to like certain places to enjoy, like in like if you compare to like europe countries or america countries you can see it everywhere ya


singapore also like if you want to see street shows is very rare it's like if you go to, town area like near, uh what is that called ion orchard area ya all that like there is


like you go online you can see america got a lot, ya and then singapore you only get to see one ya,


oh ya and singaporeans are very judgy too, ya like ya ya


and then like you will see people like you know who they are, ya ya ya they like go around and then like they it's considered art lah because his youtube and then you put yourself out there like they they do crazy stuff and then people think they are just crazy but then it's a form of art but then singapore don't appreciate it because they are very judgy


ya so I feel like ya singaporeans, ya, I feel that singaporeans uh like


it's a half half lah some singaporeans appreciate but then some pretty like we cannot pinpoint like, the whole of singapore ya ya


oh that was better stop


I must start or you start


what repeat again sorry, yes please continue


wait wait what can you repeat again you were like mumblings one, (uh huh), yes


okay so why do I think art is necessity is a necessary, because, okay ya so uh, art is a necessity because , wait ah hold on


okay yes yes , okay okay okay okay okay so so generally everything like what we talked about just now art is almost everything you do so is like what you just now said was architecture also


how can that be luxury is a necessity you need to build buildings for people to stay in so that is considered a necessity and then when you cook something for someone that is considered a form of art too and then like your mum cook for you something is considered an art too so that is a necessity so anything you do even


engineering like what I say just now you draw like for something like, , to a light or something that is considered an art too, so I feel all these aspects are art which is also a necessity and not luxury luxury is like what you said money so you only can spend how much for an art


you get me art eh money is very subjective, so yes, eh maybe I've been


ya but then you can take the food from like you can cut your own meat what you can take the vegetable from the garden that you grow yourself yes so ya


no but what if you grow it yourself, , no like example like the the mother gave birth then someone give it to you you know, ya, the cow or the pig or the chicken


or like some people are like grown up with like chickens and cow


yes please


so I'm quoting this person called <P2>jasper goh</P2> ah, okay he said, arts aren't a luxury but then if you calling arts, a luxury it's merely like denying the human needs for like poor people like you calling them because they cannot climb the social ladder you know and then like they are poor so you don't like


like you don't allow like uh are they not human beings that you cannot like let them to like think that art is like unnecessity like you don't need money to do a lot of stuff like you can paint your own stuff like with water and then you take grass and pound it and then you get that


powder right then you can paint ya that is called ya so it's a necessity because that's why I said just now like mental inner like you do art right then after that you it helps like, with your brain and then like calms you down so I feel like it's a necessity and for a certain


we for human beings you know


yes I would like to, touch on that point, but then okay ya arts yes uh it's a necessity also because like nowadays like in the whole world, like there's this whole debate in singapore like this fella said


that art is the least paid like the not important one in singapore right ya, where am I going with this ah okay ya ya sorry , ya so is like uh it it's, oh what happened, it sparked a lot of controversy in singapore saying that arts is like not important but then


, a lot people came up lah so I feel like, like some people also said that music music is a type of, what is this called art, and then like if you don't have music in your life now you will feel like it's damn boring so it's make of sound


ya okay ya then I ya so that is a type of necessity and then youtube nowadays also tiktok also, like you don't need money to spend for tiktok it's free, you know you can get the most cheapest phone that you found on the floor and still watch tiktok so I feel like like it's a necessity lah nowadays for like anyone because like nowadays also corona virus then you are very bored at home so like you can do a lot of stuff you can create your own youtube channel you can create your own tiktok and that is a form of art


so I feel it's a necessity for everyone to like get through boredom also or like just help you for your day today life going to work, you listen to music so I feel like it's a cent necessity and not luxury


as I said you can find it on the floor too ,


charli d'amelio the tiktok girl, oh you know about her !wow! okay, eh this one really


like what name me one thing, ah then is a form of art also it's free you can get it from the library ah


you can get a what's this called a library card for free you don't have to pay money to go to singapore library


okay lah that is like if you talking about lah but then like for a like you go to india or any country also you go to library is free what you don't have to pay money even though they're they're third, world country


ya if you go to their school they will have what is this called library what, so it's a necessity


!haiyo! you and your money ah you and your money ah, no I I, feel like it's a necessity yes


but then now because of like the whole like digital world ya so I feel like it's a necessity maybe like ten years ago it wasn't a necessity when we were in primary school or secondary school but then now I feel that even the government are like, what's this called helping all these students to pass them like computer to bring home and like digital devices so I feel like it's a necessary


ya it's a I feel like is a necessity now lah I mean like in this day and age, because everything is like through it tech and zoom zoom to go to school you need it's a necessity for you to study now because is coronavirus yes even I did my advanced diploma all was through computer even a phone so I feel like


like


singapore,


a necessity, so it's still like a balance wheel lah of luxury and necessity


ya art is a very difficult topic to talk about to be honest, like, ya it's like what I said to each of its own ya and it's very subjective lah ya


like generally and necessity in a way of, like letting your mind free, you get me like, it's a necessity for like because like got what is this called like if you go for therapy and all they will say like it's a form of like if you need to let out your emotions you can do this this this and it's always relates back to art like listening to music


or just like, doing an exercise or drawing, or ya all these so I feel like it's also a necessity ah not only just a luxury


ya it helps people you can, ya you just need a paper and pen or if not a rock lah and like writing if you want to say about money


even computer science C plus plus C sharp


yes all are arts , , art I mean coding is art right no ah or science, science ah, science ya science ya


computer science computer science, ya even the graphic the exclamation mark the one two three


and not live in their own bubble, ya so it creates an exposure lah


oh ya then we can discuss about it theneverybody talk about it then we can broaden our our own like minds, like it brings people together


necessity yes like it could be a part of luxury but then I feel like it's a necessity more lah, after discussing about it


so scientific research uh so I believe that uh human


it's like human human being rather than issue uh be the emphasis of scientific research so I'll start by defining some key terms so firstly scientific research is a systematic investigation of scientific theories and, hypothesis and this leads to a deeper understanding and a widening of our knowledge of the mechanics behind our role our environment around us and which in turn empowers us


to come up with more useful and sophisticated technology which allows us to solve, uh certain problems that we face as a society ya so firstly firstly uh I believe that ya human should outweigh definitely outweigh


profit in terms of a research because that because that because of, the immense potential that scientific research has been increasing uh human increasing the standard of living of uh humans and


also improving the lives of people around the world so, uh scientific research is uh I guess the fundamental driving force of understanding new knowledge and thus, it's also it also


spurs the development of uh the development of, new solutions to problems that we face so for example uh the development of vaccines uh has led to the


eradication of many malicious diseases such as, small pox uh and polio and rubella, and these diseases once uh, uh small pox was a deadly disease and polio and rubella, uh cause a lot of a lot of uh


destruction to people's lives so, what these vaccines did did was that it made people, resistant to diseases from birth and this widespread vaccine development production effectively eradicated diseases and also and it in as a result


it uh raise the average life expectancy by more than thirty years in the past century so it's clear that research has the great potential to benefit humans humankind and such we should human need should be


prioritize so some sorry some, other uh some other uh, ya so eh sorry give me a sec


okay far left or ya so actually gm crops is also the development of gm crops also uh greatly greatly, improve the lives of many because of the stuff such as uh force resistance tomatoes and pests and vitamin rich rice so these new seeds allowed farmers to uh have great better harvests because uh harvests are less susceptible to


diseases tests and also greater you and better products because their products are like the biting rich rice or the quality of the products increase, so that's allow foreigners to increase their profits and also in benefits or novel in general because now you have better food better produce and better food security around the world so


because because these because research is so important, in many in deep, in allowing society they will uh advance we should definitely prioritize human need, ya so okay uh can move on


ya I agree that uh profits is profits are essential in funding research I think that I think that, I think that, uh uh profit driven research can lead to the limitation of uh the benefits that can be read from these scientific research so uh profit driven research tends to be really expensive uh


due to kay sorry ya so these, human need should human need should be a the the main concern because it prevents biased unfair or untrue research at which this which is destructive to the human development often associated with research on profit so


there there's a terms such as publication bias and research may be done unbiased and correct and incorrectly but due to the profit driven mindset of researchers, must sponsors of publishers of the research which provide the money incentives for the research may only select some findings to be published so


for example uh in the US err the, the sugar industry eh sorry the sweet drink industry uh funds research that looks into the impact of sugar on people's health and it's it's been shown that these companies uh suppress uh negative uh too negative


uh uh the public publication of of studies that, show that sugars has really negative impacts on people's health so there's a so the public mindset is that ya sure


just now I was okay I think


ya sure kay sorry so I was like, okay so ya so


uh having this having this err publication bias uh it severely severely uh hampers the integrity of research, so it could cause harmful effects to human to society as a whole so also


a some unscrupulous businesses see opportunity to further explore research and technology for profit, which may end up, harming environment and society so for instance monsanto which is a american farm that produces that specializes in


the agrochemical and agricultural technology, develop their herbicide uh glyphosate through biotech processes, and obtain a patent for it and this causes this cause sales to soar so seeing the profits made, they further develop their roundup ready crops and sold it to farmers to earn even more money so these crops actually caused the growth of super weeds and


this threatens harm the environment because these super weeds are resistant to pesticides herbicides sorry ya and thus there are really hard to get rid of ya so so another stark example is the, is the really high inflated prices of HIV medicine uh due to the profit driven mindsets of of


of err pharmaceutical companies so actually uh this guy uh turing pharmaceuticals CEO martin, shkreli actually sparked outrage when he when he hike the price of a of a drug used to treat uh uh HIV which is uh daraprim


and he raised it by more than five he raised the price of more than five thousand five hundred percent seven hundred fifty dollars a pill, so this this medicine is actually essential to some people's uh daily life to their survival so by increasing the price so much to earn more


profits it really cause a lot of adverse health impacts to many people around ya so, and the fact that profit that profit driven research uh runs the risk of overlooking the benefits that err that this research err poses to humanity


err we should prioritize human human needs instead of profit


so we move on to the open discussion, okay sure uh


uh so you wanna start,


ya I think that uh in terms of uh sorry (mmhmm), uh, sure ya you move now


ya, ya you wanna speak softly speak


ya but err, but I I I agree that profits is important, but the priority the the priority, should always be uh should always be human need so profit is


one of the as one of the concerns, yes but the main concern should be human need because, because because of the sorry (ppc) yup, because of the because the main the ultimate aim of scientific research


should be to should be to uh should be to sorry should be to increase, the standard of living of humankind and solve the problems that we face so by by


prioritizing research eh human need we fulfil this uh we fulfil this uh, sorry we fulfil this aim for scientific research yes profit is important and will definitely will definitely


uh aid in can definitely aid in improving human lives through funding research but I think the important thing to note, is that we should always uh when it comes to a compromise between human need and profits we should always prioritize uh human need because that is the essential aim of research


okay so uh I believe that technology has a, negative impact on the skill levels of people so firstly I think the negative impact that technology has had on interpersonal skills is is


quite a quite a quite a big negative, impact on our interpersonal skills so technological advancement and communications the most particularly in development of the smartphone revolution revolutionised the way we interact so


text and direct messages have more substituted the face to face interaction and emojis and stickers are like on apps such as WhatsApp and Telegram, uh present the most convenient conveyance of our mood so the younger generation today growing up uh in a world like this many of them are more comfortable with socializing online


and in real life due to being so convenient and yup so seeking to move uh and the, lightning speed of computer so people today also lack the patience and their attention span to listen carefully to what others have to say


and to, reflect on it ya so this has led to people not making proper judgment on matters in showing their opinions without knowing of its consequences uh especially on social media so example is that new zealand


two national party MPs showed a lack of judgment, posting tweets implying the guilt of a teenager charged with an attack on a child in Turangi louise upston and #tau henare# were both uh they both tweeted their thoughts after an arrest was made on wednesday


and they both condemn the accused in separate tweets before even stood trial so mister Henare would not comment on tape but said he stood by what he had written however, he said on his twitter account that he may have gotten carried away with the initial tweet


so miss upston said she was only trying to show of her support for the police who worked on the case however the tweets have jeopardized the accused's chance of a fair trial so media law lawyer steven price said it's foolish of them to make public statements about the guilt innocence of a person before a trial


it shows that people have seen a degradation in their interpersonal skills, uh due to it being so convenient to display their opinions online, so in addition baroness suzanne greenfield uh britian's most prominent skeptic highlighted some research studies suggesting that


young people spend a lot of time playing online games and lower levels of social skills and others uh this this is probably due to the fact that they they rather spend time socializing online than face to face where


ya so I think it shows that there's a deterioration of social skills due to technology, ya uh next


so uh so furthermore technological advancements have witness the degradation of skills of people uh of skills people require for their jobs so most job today are heavily reliant on information technology as it provides easier ways


around otherwise labor intensive menial and manual jobs so machines have replaced manual labor at the frontlines of production uh like robotic arms in factories robotic cars for example and


so computer applications have also created easier ways of accessing and handling our data, so this has seen a really big upheaval in the way people work so instead of, having to do a lot of data processing by hand


uh they have simple computer applications and software that does the work in half to really in really short period of time, that previously required a high high level of skill to do so programs such as excel organize tabulate and analyze data for the user making an accountant's job much easier for example


so artificial intelligence software also such as watson, uses natural language processing to interpret chance of unstructured data allowing businessmen to derive meaning from its statistics that they have in singapore, uh lex quanta a data analytics firm


has created an application to predict the division of assets in divorce cases rendering the traditional skills which junior lawyers possess obsolete, ya so uh, therefore with the advancement of technology to the point that we are able to delegate half our workload or even more to machines uh this causes the descaling of the workforce because uh it's traditional more traditional skills just go obsolete and now we are just overly reliant on technology


so this negatively impacts our skill levels, yup can continue


okay can we start our discussion


can we start our discussion the discussion the five minutes, kay so, so you mentioned that uh the technology has uh increase the accessibility of uh


data, uh resources so but I agree that's the case I think at this, uh technology's a double edge sword so on one hand you give access to this allow this new


uh new conveniences and uh stuff that makes your day to day life easier so that that, this is sensitive information I agree, can increase the skill level of people however I think


it could also could also, but make people more it could make people overly reliant on this technology such as, google so so so now it's really easy to just go search right


answer on google when you've a question but sometimes maybe you don't even stop to think why something's happening, or why or, why is you you you just uh there's no reflection or pondering on stuff and we just search it up online become so convenient so


I think that this, increase in excessively information uh can also lead to, people being less reflective and less uh and think thinking less in general ya and I I think that this shows a decrease in uh skill level uh in general ya


is that is that enough kay can we move on to next one, oh finish twenty minutes okay ya sure sure, so uh


ya I think nothing uh, I think ya it's true that this like technology as you mention technology provides, uh uh place for people to uh