suggest that err, if we leave things unsolved the invisible hand will resolve all these unresolved issue eventually which I believe that, these should be the responsibility of the government, and with a strong government especially with the one that like that we have currently in singapore this social issue will be resolved but it's not within the purview of the businesses hence I that's that's why I brought out a point that going green does not necessarily make good business sense okay I pass it to you edward


I think to sum up err for the last one mainly I would say like, if we don't implement it now how will we enjoy the benefits in the long run that's one you say and it's very hard to justify your point of like let's promote


environmental protection to a hawker centre let's say if like you already have a kid to like bring up how are you going to tell your kid err !hey! son err environmental protection is more important than bringing food to your mouth , is very unjustifiable in this sense


okay that's one and another point that I would like to make is like, businesses responds to customer wants and needs and when customer wants like both things like environmental protection and, I will say like err


cost-efficiency definitely the businesses have to make to would to have to weigh their choices and most of the time for most businesses I can say is cost-efficiency always outweighs, the need for environmental protection which come back to the same point that going green does not make good business sense okay thank you


part one debate topic one


(ppc) okay so I will start, from proposition so, this about the, cause an MRT line which will be stretching from Changi to Jurong


and, for preposition right what I want to want to say is that err building the cross island MRT under the nature reserves, ultimately serves a better purpose as it is err it is more cost-effective and err


it's more effective and and it reduces the cost by a lot and at the same time right the government would be able to reach the targeted completion which is twenty-thirty ah


where it's actually less challenging to construct, the cross island MRT line under the nature's reserve


ya then at the same time right it also reduces the journey time by quite significant which is like ten per cent according to, uh what SMRT has shared, so, personally I feel that building the MRT line under the


nature's reserve it is more cost-effective and it will be more, cost-efficient ah, cause this amount there's already been a huge amount of money spent on this uh MRT line and we shouldn't be working on increasing the cost further by


uh spending more resources to build the MRT line around the nature's reserve, and at the same time it does not aid, the MRT line in any way cause you are actually increasing, , the duration it takes for people to traverse from one end to the other end


so , I believe that it is better to build the cross island line, uh under the nature's reserve, and this will bring more, benefits, in general to the community as well as to singapore and the fact remains that


the targeted completion is twenty-thirty which is, uh which should be met lah for, for the MRT line to actually achieve its main purposes of, ahead


of being more convenient and for more convenient public transport to the community, so, ya that's what I that's a general, points that I have that I will begin with the debate


K I'm done with my argument


okay so just to uh, give a brief summary so, I believe your stand is that, the, the construction cost of two billion dollars, uh, is actually what what you believe is that these are short term benefits and


does not bring about the long term benefits, ah which is the nature reserve that we have been holding on to since the very beginning of, err singapore so, allow me to just make some points


so, in terms of long term benefits as well as , pro cons right I would say that err going around the nature reserve also bring about err it their own err long term causes so for example right going around the nature reserve actually is more challenging as err


more challenging in general in the long term as well cause, this will cause uh a lot of homes to be, a lot of homes around the nature reserve which will be used for construction the constructing the MRT line


to also be acquired by the government so this means that ultimately means lesser space for us singaporeans to actually err accommodate to accommodate the singaporeans and as we all know the singaporean population is err consistently on the rise


and space like this shouldn't be, shouldn't be foregone just to construct a MRT line in my opinion and at the same time right this is also a bit more challenging as nearby the nature reserve there's also


err another construct an another MRT line being constructed and this will result in some engineering challenges ah which, I think, in the long run will be not as convenient when it comes to maintaining the lines as well as the fact that


uh, more more homes as well as more private properties to be uh, acquired by the government to construct this MRT line to go around it right actually is in my opinion a much bigger issue as, err


I'm sure that the space that it would be used right is actually more, precious to us in the future due to our rising populations , yeah (ppc), so that was my point for


for this part yes


okay then err, at the same time I would like to add-on to, err, some points which I've made so firstly right in terms of err


the housing where it will be err, used for constructing the, the


okay so, sorry my my point is that err


even as we go about, constructing the cross island MRT line around the nature reserves right and we do in fact err forgo to the houses that were used and we successfully preserve this err nature's reserve but


for me right I feel that in the future right there is there will always be, err more more of err this this err what do you call it issues that will surface whereby we have to err


we have to understand that, more (ugh), whenever we we singaporeans are trying to better our countries uh infrastructure right the question about nature reserve will always pop up and


the fact remains that these natures the space that this nature reserve takes up right will definitely be contested again in the future so I personally I feel that, it is better used for err constructing construction of the MRT line as compared to any other


infrastructure that might be there as, I feel that, it does going under the nature reserve might not be as uh disruptive to the nature reserve, err over like


actually building over it so ya that's just an additional point that I feel that I should put it out there


part two debate topic two


okay , so I believe that when it comes to this topic of uh facing climate change as well as whether or not humankind is actually uh helpless


err you have brought some points which I agree which is that in a form of err natural disasters as well as uh unprecedented err events, , humans do in fact err seems helpless in in these occasions however I would like to say that natural disasters are disasters are not the main err to note do not comprise


the main bulk of our climate change so, as much as I would like to say that climate change uh climate change is, err ultimately, caused by humankind and natural disasters on the other hand are a bit more


err, uncontrollable I will have to say that err we are not really helpless in the face of climate change this because we are the one who caused it and at the same time right, we will be the one that is going to


do something about it and to prevent, it from worsening so, , to put things into perspective, ya to show how much we can actually do something about climate change right is the fact that err


in a short span of, two to three months during err, this quarantine period of the COVID nineteen just by having a reduction of our human activity err to a to


to reduce it not to a bare minimum where we cannot survive but it's just to a point whereby err we are cutting down on, a lot of our own err our, daily like human activities in just two to three months right err our our atmosphere our ozone layer has actually uh been recovered


to a to a quite quite an extent, so this goes to show right, how, human we humans don't realise err the damage we are doing to the to the climate and at the same time it also show goes to show how


how quickly or how fast how efficient we can actually uh, err, do something in with regards to the climate change and to change to change it back to its original state or in this in a sense to


better it and make it easier for on ourselves so, that's the point I want bring across and to say that I believe man is definitely not helpless in the face of climate change, yes, (ppc)


okay (ppc), okay so


I believe that what you have mentioned is actually in a form of err, priorities as well as err, what the human actually focus, err on currently so I do agree with that it's actually very obvious that the humankind do not prioritise climate change as well as on environmental sustainability enough


uh, this goes to show very clearly when, err, trump won the election over hillary as hillary's main main buying point was actually to provide protect the environment, while trump's was the opposite which is the economic err bringing forward the economy of america as well as err to continue building upon america's uh err identity of a superpower


so I do agree with that but I believe that, this is all our priorities and man, ultimately right we will reach a point where we are unable to


close a blind eye and to, to err to uh, climate change as well as our environmental issues so when that time comes right, and everyone realise that, that climate change is


our main issue now and not any other thing like competing for power or like economy or any other, natural disasters or pandemics on the loose, I believe that that is when err humankind will realise that they're actually not helpless but it's just that humankind's are not putting in enough effort and


err they're not err putting in the action to actually do something about climate change so just because the humankind is, are not doing anything in their power to deal with climate change I believe it doesn't mean that they're helpless cause ultimately right


err, what we have prioritised in terms of advances is, also helpful in one way or another to climate change technological advances actually will definitely help in dealing with climate change in the near future


such as , looking for alternatives to energy, err as well as err, hopefully we will be able to err react faster and more consistently to any, form of uh disaster that we face in the future such as err


the forest fires that you have listed which is a great great deal lah cause, I do agree that the forest fires around the world are actually very, detrimental to our environment and definitely not enough is done for it, and as prepared as these countries claim they were they were not prepare enough to deal with it lah so ya I do agree with some of your


points but I still think that man, we are definitely not helpless we uh just do not prioritise, climate change enough in in the current state of the economy, yes so that was my point


(mmhmm)


okay so to


yes so you have met, a good point which is that err in the future when we when the time comes that we have to actually address the issue right we might actually be truly helpless, so my point to that is that


err, well it might be true but at the same time I feel that err over the years right, as you have as you have stated the awareness of err environmental issues has actually err


been spreading err a lot and also, many many of, our millennials or the younger generation actually are putting more effort I would say and also, are getting more educated in terms of environmental studies as well as err the issues that


we are facing and we what also the issues that we will be facing in the future, so the fact that, this education err, that's brought to us right, to the younger generation will definitely help


in the future when the time comes so, ultimately I feel that, even though the climate change is getting from worse to worst but, I feel that we are still moving in the right direction of, err getting educated as well as to spread the awareness of environmental issues


yes so ya by spreading the the awareness through multiple campaigns as well uh more and more err rise of more and more green organisations and err more err green policies that are being uh pushed out to even the corporate world


so ultimately I feel that the we are moving in the right direction and these efforts definitely have to keep going and, I only see these efforts as well as , the educations process being


being better in the future or in a sense err working out for us in the future rather than it worsening for us so, that's why I feel ultimately man is not helpless in the face of climate change we will be able to something and hopefully that err


ya hopefully we will be able to something about it


part three debate topic three


okay so I will begin so, going green makes, good businesses okay so how I'll begin this debate is by saying that, err going green for any business right err


ultimately it's a win-win situation and that is why it makes good business sense so why I say this is because by going green uh the most obvious uh, fact out there is that by going green you are saving the environment and usually this comes in err one form or another such as


reducing costs or, by, err, by reducing costs or by increasing efficiency of using certain energies in one way or another so by going for green err by going green right and


for business this actually means err less cost as well as more efficiency so, any for any business they're going to be profit-driven and by reducing cost as well as going for alternative


energies as well as err reducing their eh increasing their efficiencies these are all all all good things for any business and, ultimately going for an alternative energy will also reduce further reduce their cost so these are all to me this


makes uh great great uh business sense and this is why I feel that going green, is ultimately err a very good strategy for any business and , it just makes good business sense in a


form of err one in one way or another lah and on the other hand right on the other side of the equation err saving the environment also err, help helps the environment of course and going green brings across a message to the to their consumers as well as to the public about them and this furthers helps them in terms of publicity as well as spreading awareness and


err we all we all know that going green err, actually raises a lot of publicity for the company itself and it brings a lot of err respect from their consumers to them as well as err, any any consumers that have already been working err with them such as buying their goods or err going through their products right


err will definitely be even more loyal to them and continue, err, or continue consuming their products ah so I feel like this is a win-win situation for them and this makes err great pieces sense for any company going green


yeah


, okay I agree with your point that that


answering to stakeholders will definitely be an issue and yours also you have also stated that, , the cost-wise where switching from, , and sometimes you keep switching from switching from a non biodegradable


go err, cutleries to that of which is a biodegradable one and ya I do agree that, switching from a non-biodegradable one , uh switching actually does does increase the cost but what we can I what I feel is the correct move is actually to just stop using uh any non-biodegradable things in the beginning so err ya you have addressed that in your form of


err plastic bag users which is err, which even after , pushing out a lot of campaigns regarding it right down, people are still using it nonetheless and yes I do agree that it didn't it didn't work out, but


err on the other hand you can look at another different at campaign which is err the the usage of plastic straws so for example in err, let's say example will be starbucks so they did push out


this policy whereby they will stop providing any straws and it it, it the fact that they stop providing any straws right definitely means reducing their cost but what was different err as compared to uh what you have stated is that they didn't switch to a err biodegradable straw such as like err


paper straws or anything like that they they just remove it out of the equation and I think err that's actually a very smart move from them and this actually did make good business sense of it and at the same time it brought them great err publicity


however, in a form of , while I do agree that, err sometimes err like what you have said it might bring people cost lah such as the plastic bags one and I'm sure


that we are still looking for a balance for that issue but ultimately for any business a business that have been established right should start cutting down on their costs and going green in that same time and while


business that are starting anew right should start building green from the very beginning and yeah so I think this address the issues whereby if, going green does not increases the cost or does not err


help with err, sorry going green doesn't like increase the cost or have any negative impact then uh it shouldn't be a problem for the stakeholders as you can see in err starbucks move right of going green in that way


err there wasn't any like drawback or there wasn't much err drawback lah in a in a way or any any , err bad notion to it yeah, so that's what I have to say


okay so okay so just to to summarize so you have stated


that , err going green doesn't make good business health because the only reason why , some of the the movements of going green succeeded for businesses is actually because, like they have great capital and err they're actually rich enough to achieve it lah simply put so ya I do agree actually and I agree that going green and anything related to err


like going green or like helping out with the environment, like for the cost and stuff like this right actually behaves a lot like a like a luxury good, so in a in a sense that err the richer people actually want it and the richer companies are fighting for it and pushing for it but on the other hand the poorer countries as well as the smaller business right will not be able to undergo this this change or or


or this movement or be part of this movement so I do agree and the main reason for this is because the cost err the the the the starting cost is high however , what many people do not realise is that uh


the, the long-term benefits actually outweighs the cost that that, that is forked out or that is, err induced at the very beginning so, ya so even though


it can be put into perspective whereby err, many people would actually be convinced that going green does make good business and, in the long run but what's the problem now is that many people not many people many businesses are not rich enough to undergo this change so


for my purpose err from what I feel lah is that the reason why the cost is so high is because there's not enough people putting emphasis into the environment and not enough people are going green enough to make it a norm and that is why going green is so expensive because of the


expertise required as well as err, err, all all the different it it's just different lah in a way so it's actually a form of like, profession and is very different from a normal very normal err normal


cost of business, that's why it's expensive so I believe that I but I still believe that it's it does make good business sense and , this whole situation relies on the bigger players to actually make a move first


and such as like starbucks make made a good move and, ultimately this is to bring across the idea that going green is should be the norm and it should be how how how we are functioning, however for smaller business like let's say like what you've stated lah hawker centres if I I agree that it will be very difficult for them to make the change like the cost will be high as well as err the fact remains that there are some products such as uh plastic bags


I would it will be very very very difficult to take it out of the equation or to swap it out as it it it induces high cost, and ya I do agree that err the government is supposed to be the one helping out with this smaller business in a sense so but


it doesn't change the fact that in the long run err, going green definitely uh makes better or good business sense , err most of the time ya, okay, should do it


(hmm)


part debate topic one,


okay


money


yup, submit, okay ya running


okay can, you will clap you will clap no need okay K, okay err on the topic for the cross island line should be built under our natural reserved err I strongly believed that err this is a good thing for


for the for for, LTA and because the uh many, reasons one of the good reasons are it actually reduce uh the commuting time by


about six minutes if the line is under the, CCNR it will definitely reduce the travel time for commuters by six minute, because is very is a direct line so definitely uh the commuters will benefit from this reduction in commuting time


and overall uh you also be the commuters will be able to reach their workplace or destination earlier, in yup, that's ah my first point


I I agree on the, uh singapore is very small definitely uh we do not have a lot of nature reserved in singapore and also building uh deep underground uh will definitely uh probably cost more due


to the , tunnelling work that is required, but however I still think that uh by building these uh cross island line uh right underneath our nature reserved


uh we are able to, minimize or maximise the space use or minimise the land use above the ground and uh definitely this will also help in terms of uh saving the number of uh the the the trees to be cut and probably and also


err this err uh what I mentioned in my first point is uh definitely, if we are not going to go underground or uh under our nature reserved uh you will not be a direct line probably we have to skirt around the nature reserved and definitely there will be a lot of banks and also curve lah and this will


increase the uh commuters time by uh definitely quite a big and also uh my second point is uh, by going underground because we are using uh these LTA is using this distance travel that’s mean uh distance based fare uh so definitely the distant will be shorter so in terms uh


the public transport fare would be reduced by fifteen percent if it is a direct route or road compared to uh skirting around uh the nature reserved, as a the shorter and more direct route will cause uh commuters less in terms of uh the fare it also make uh as is made possible by this


current uh distance base fare lah, so I believe uh this LTA has come to this decision to build directly under the reserved will in short uh lower the public transport fare by fifteen percent uh on average


so this is my second point lah that I would brought up to bring across, understand that the the opposition point is uh singapore is very small so uh in terms of travel distance it shouldn't be uh too long in terms of timing


but however I'm I'm basing on the route that the MRT will be traveling so if the route is going to be direct underneath the natural reserved it will definitely be shorter and in in


in terms uh we will the commuters time will be uh reduced and also the fare will be also reduce that is my point, uh can


okay okay can so


okay, ya okay I I agree on a certain thing that you mentioned uh regarding the construction costs, uh will will definitely be more if you're going downwards uh that means a deeper uh downwards along the this are nature that’s mean right under the nature reserved lah but uh


actually we do have a LTA did consult a independent panel of advisor which are engaged by LTA and uh actually it result that uh they mentioned uh through the study ah uh between the


direct or alternative skirting method lah which is route across uh around the nature reserved and or go directly underneath the nature reserve it actually the skirting alignment would result in more engineering challenge lah because if


if you have taken uh LRT before lah or MRT before the the all the lines are trying as straight as possible so that at least is direct one straight line lah, compared to if you need to skirt around then there would be a lot of bend and curve and definitely there will be more maintenance lah in this way and uh


and uh actually if you built the buildings are under the reserved uh it will actually cost uh taxpayer about two billion less than the skirting uh alternative skirting method lah that’s is uh due to


due to a lot of works ah uh that we need to carry out when we are doing the skirting and also is longer definitely it will we will have to , deep , not a direct line not a direct straight line it'll be more like a curve so the curve distance will be more than uh definitely the direct straight


line lah so that is why uh overall the building uh it will, that that is why LTA consultant this uh independent panel of advisor and uh it is concluded that it actually costs low it actually lower the construction costs by about two billion lah


uh in addition uh resident living around the area ah , uh has also voiced out their concern in the past lah that, uh this skirting uh around the nature reserved will also affect them because people staying around the nature reserved uh if we are going to skirt around the nature reserved definitely uh government will have to buy back all this land that the residents are staying so while


they probably we have have to relocate that means government buy back their land they will have to relocate somewhere else, so all these residents uh a big concern because they have been staying there for quite some time and they enjoy the nature reserved lah down there lah so they do not want to to leave lah or go away lah from the than the place or the area


so this is the point that uh , I'm trying to bring across lah so definitely by going direct under the nature reserved it will definitely lower the construction costs and also minimise the inconvenience to the residents living around that area


that's are my point maybe I add on one more point , I think uh LTA also through the uh through consultation with the uh the panel, they also find that overall it will also uh in long longer terms uh the direct environment decision will also be more environmental friendly lah


compared to oh my god uh compared to , lower engineer energy consumption,


I got a problem with my yeah so, ya ya ya ya because of screen protector just submit ah okay can they don’t want continue oh I know you say ah okay I I haven’t talk about my four point oh oh


eh but down here say network [orh] that means I have to turn on my that means cannot airplane mode lah because uh they got a network error, oh okay okay okay that means I I forget to on my so I retry uh


wait uh, okay can can can okay now I’m topic two already so I stopped, oh so I carry on uh okay so my point is uh okay so in uh in another way uh in another word uh so the my fourth point is uh is actually lower energy consumption so it will be more environment friendly


as uh compared to the skirting option lah that is why uh LTA has come out to say that uh the direct alignment decision or under uh directly under the nature reserved, will be more environmental friendly lah as compared to the skirting option ya that's my point


okay right okay, yup, so


, okay actually I think the main idea of this uh, err yup, the island line is uh because uh is actually coming from Changi to Jurong lah although it's uh quite similar to this uh


east west uh no east west east west line lah is quite similar to east west line ya err but however I think we are actually because singapore want to do like carless or less car kind of


uh , network ah that means using MRT as our main uh public transport to be able to reach all the destination or most of the destination around in so that uh commuters or even residents can also uh be travelling without uh having to travel by


car or bus or other option because the MRT can actually be a one stop that means you can take MRT and you can go to everywhere you want to go lah, so I quite agreed to your err point of all these are taxpayer money lah and uh definitely we also I also feel that we should be uh more err


to take this uh very seriously and uh or , make all the options uh are available and study all options are available and make sure that we made a correct decision because we do not want the money to be wasted and then after that it become a white elephant and uh money


end of the day uh can be use better use like it for for example during this COVID period uh however I I think government is trying to take this opportunity to or not take this the long term plan is to make


uh everywhere uh accessible by MRT so that's uh my point so I the ultimately I think we we should go through this, okay


, , , ya no I ya debate topic two ya


uh can can , uh ya ya ya man


but but I I I can I ask a bit about this uh helpless uh so when you said helpless uh that’s mean we, uh as a proposition I am helpless that means I I man cannot do anything I agree that man is helpless cannot do anything in the in the face of climate change lah correct


okay so alex will go and say no no no actually we can do a lot of things lah correct and we are not helpless lah or in that sense lah okay so I think help ya I I’m I’m quite ready lah but I I guess


got more points to say for , for, things that we can do lah because helpless means I cannot say anything right or I can say something lah but it's just that I I got no points to to fight against the the the helpless


debate topic two,


okay , the debate topic two man is uh helpless in the face of climate change uh I strongly agreed on this uh this point uh because I find that uh


as human beings are uh, we we tends unable to control what is uh happening uh in our nature so especially and it if you’re notice that uh is getting warmer now or sometimes it can be going


colder in hot uh seasons , so the weather has been the changing a lot and uh there's no way we're doing it uh we’re not controlling it lah in that the so there's it seems that we are unable to do anything to all these changes of uh climate warming or global warming and


we we, we tend to try to escape by either if is too hot we will turn on the aircon, without uh really doing much to the environment we just uh take things for granted and turn on the aircon full glass and make yourself cool down in cold weather uh or through cold season uh we will uh put on a lot of blankets or a lot of


clothings and et cetera the there's no way we are , doing anything to actually uh, on this climate change we are just adopting or accepting this uh uh changes uh to the climate


that’s uh my point lah along here so I I strongly believe that as as man uh or human being uh we are helpless in in this uh climate change, yup


, okay uh okay agreed to some of your points lah but I I also want to bring up one things uh just now you're mentioning about these uh reduce uh in terms of plastic bags lah in a probably in supermarket and the shops


I also noticed that the a few years back when a fairprice and uh may cold storage uh wanted to actually do away with the plastic bag, yeah but it it seems that uh


it's not taking effect to err to people and err people still request for paper bag or plastic bag uh when we cost five cents ten cents or maybe twenty cents each lah for them because people conveniently feel that the this uh


when you want to when you buy something uh they they need something to hold whatever things they buy lah so end up uh fairprice and cold storage actually stopped that campaign lah to to stop uh providing uh plastic bag


then after that down the road they actually uh go a bit a greener as what you mentioned, they have a recyclable bag uh that can be used when you buy that means you buy the recyclable bag and then after that uh uh people uh can buy things and then put inside then after that next time they go to the supermarket again or hypermart again they can use back that uh


the bag lah so I guess uh, ultimately the point is there but the thing is it's not working eh from what I see lah ha so overall err we tends to do uh uh, a bit of things here and there that means stop wasting stroll lah or stop using stroll stop using uh plastic bags uh stop the uh try to reduce in uh a lot of uh carbon or even uh plastics usage or these things but


it seems that we have we still uh keep nowhere lah from what I find lah it’s still not uh improving the situation like you say the the the the sun is uh melting the ice, uh and and also the ozone uh layer all these thing so I find that in some time I uh we we are quite helpless lah in term in that sense lah because


although as much as possible and as what you mentioned also uh is uh by doing this small small step uh, we are trying to help err in terms of err probably err in terms of reducing waste and also reducing all those err err heat


uh generated from all this uh to make all these waste lah oh no no plastic bag or or stuff lah so in a way , we we we try to uh minimise all these thing so that at least we can do something to the environment or to climate but uh as what I mentioned in my point just now is a this is a climate thing lah and uh it's all nature just like


storm uh typhoon or what uh or or, tsunami all these things is something that is beyond us we cannot control them because is way too big already it's not something that we can all uh


err you know like use a machine or use some technology we can err reduce or stop stop err the sun from shining in or burning the uh uh the ozone layer, and uh stopping the ice from melting all these things so I feel that uh although we are doing small small steps uh we are still not doing not


we are still helpless lah in in in sense lah we we cannot do anything much lah to to help uh in terms of uh controlling the sun from burning or or melting the ice or the ozone layer from uh depleting all these thing so I think we are still


uh very difficult in terms of uh or helpless lah in terms of uh, climate change that's my point lah, yup


, , (mmhmm)


okay


, okay uh maybe let us let me ask you a question lah so if the so, first saying so many things uh like you say about going paperless you know cut less uh trees are cut or maybe going uh doing all our small small steps in terms of uh


the don't use plastic bag reduce or don't use straws uh so that we don’t need to produce more straws or plastic bags lah, for the people to use, uh how how


how okay what I’m trying to say is how , is this uh helping us in terms of climate change do you see anything change that means uh now you don't see the the weather getting warmer or crazier when supposed to be hot weather it is it is raining and then after that


would would will we be able to stop the ice from melting in the you know northern, egypt I mean the the the all the ice lands all these uh places so what I’m trying to say is uh


whatever you say is true at uh we are doing our small small steps to to to help in terms of the big picture lah but what I’m trying to say is uh, uh after doing all this thing ah I I still don't see, uh where are we in terms of uh are we uh really into that that means we're going towards that and then uh the ice will stop to melt uh not not melting the ozone layer will will protect the you know uh the sun from uh the coming in to


uh and and et cetera all these thing so I from what I see is uh we are paying a lot of things uh our human beings are trying to do a lot of things uh become more environmental friendly going green and uh using all the


trying to reduce all the carbon uh footprint and uh all these thing but the thing is my question is are we seeing any result from all these effort that we are putting in if not then is, it's as good as saying that uh


I I put in a lot of money to to to do something but end of the day there's nothing uh being achieve or maybe end of the day, the the sun is still melting the ice and we are still back to square one that's what I'm trying to say lah so I find that uh my point is uh man is still


helpless in in the face of this climate change lah,


is it okay ,


okay uh I get your point I also believe that uh there's certain things that we can


due to definitely reduce or uh improve the climate change situation that we are having now uh but I also read on some reports ah they're saying that uh the younger generation now especially the kids ah are afraid of these all these climate change


and uh are we, I’m not sure whether do we have enough or they're a bit worried because , uh they will be the future you know ya and they do not know will they is still be around if these uh going to uh affect them it will definitely affect them because uh they're still young so they also find that uh a lot of things that they're doing ah uh or


they’re did talked to do uh it might not be what they‘re, might not really helped them in the in this climate change war lah I call it because there is a report uh, that they say that the the youth especially the young uh generation nowadays are very afraid of this climate change and they do not know what they can do


so I believe that uh my point of a man being helpless uh in this face of climate change is still valid in this, uh situation and especially when we are talking about the younger generation they also helpless in in in uh fighting these uh climate


war lah so I guessed that uh there is no although I do agree with you that certain things that we're doing now is slowly uh preventing or maybe minimising or slowing the the all the all the


uh drastic uh changes that we are getting from the climate but uh I I also must say that uh the young people nowadays are actually sort of like afraid and uh there it's sort of uh don't know what to do in in in this uh climate change lah


so I guess uh it is not easy for for them and also for us to convince the younger people generation to to face and uh to do whatever pointers you mentioned lah just now yeah so that's my point


debate topic three


sorry sorry my screen can I press start again and sorry sorry too enclose on the screen already, can


okay , okay on the debate topic three going green makes good business sense okay uh based on the article I read from channel news asia


there is a many companies ah in singapore they are claiming, onto the initiative or the green initiatives uh like reducing plastic bag used or doing a way with packaging all together


and uh a lot of uh which is a move ah that a lot of market think uh experts are saying that is a good business sense as there is a growing consumer are support for such strategy lah so I want to bring my point across that uh this


this as more and more people are becoming more environmentally aware especially younger consumer would would like to place their emphasis uh on this brand brand sustain uh sustainability practice in their purchasing decision


so in a way uh, all these people actually comes uh our younger people are actually it looked at the company also if the company or the brand is actually doing their part in terms of sustainability practice uh they were probably buy them buy the products


so I think this uh this is the way to go so going green will really make a good business sense in my point of view, uh yup


yes yes correct correct


, okay , so I uh based on your points of uh the plastic bag or paper bags uh being used uh to promote the brand of the company


I don't think that uh okay, first of all I think uh companies ah nowadays ah because of uh, the image uh their they want to let the consumer knew that the their company is going green uh they will reduced in terms of uh as as in a more initiative in green uh green initiative like reducing uh plastic bag paper bag uh etc


I I think that by, protruding that the image to the consumer that they're a very a green company that are actually look after the environment which is more even more important than uh putting the brand on the paper bag or plastic bag


because uh ultimately uh now like what I mentioned in my the previous point is uh, younger generation or the consumer which are in the younger generation they're actually looking into companies or supporting these companies uh who are actually going green uh


to to in terms of buying their products rather than uh they buy their products based on uh whether the, the logo or the company brand is on the paper bag or not lah so I I find that uh younger generation uh they are more educated and in terms of uh getting to know all the brands and whether the brands are actually uh


are most supported or sustainable or green initiative from all these companies, these are the things that actually makes them want to buy the product rather than the branding or printed on the paper bag or plastic bag lah, itself lah so I don't think uh by putting the the logo or company on the paper bag or plastic bags are going to helped in terms of uh


in in terms of the company lah in in in in their sales so I rather uh do away with the paper bag or plastic bag and, let more people be aware and also support my company in terms of my green initiative rather than uh uh to give them a paper bag of to for publicity or for branding itself lah so that’s my debate theme point across lah


so I I also want to bring probably to uh the attention is uh I just want to name a few companies uh they are actually doing their green initiative and also having good results lah, so for example APB which produced tiger beer uh has actually a waste treatment plant on site to recycle the water used in the brewing process and they also use solar panel that reduce the carbon footprint by twenty percent


and in terms they also get a returnable bottle system that means you can after using uh I mean drinking your beer you can return the beer to back to them lah so this will in terms reduce the, uh the the bottles produced and also getting uh people to be more aware that are actually tiger beer or APB they are doing their part in terms of uh all these green initiative


sat on top of it uh we also have NDC fairprice which has more than two hundred outlets they actually launched a plastic bag management framework to reduce the use of plastic bags, and also starbucks lah, you as uh I think most of us also know uh on most of us uh


drink starbucks ah will also find that eh suddenly they start to ban straws in outlets uh worldwide in uh two zero two zero, so these are things that although is affecting us but we also know that actually all these companies is helping uh to for the bigger picture lah that means the global uh picture in terms of


uh going green and then also to , to uh to help in uh in uh reducing the carbon footprint lah and uh definitely all these uh companies are big companies, are they also doing the the the initiative because they do believe that the consumer are more educated nowadays and they will support their initiative in terms of reducing all these uh carbon waste lah so that's my point for


for this topic,


(hmm)


yup


(hmm) (hmm) okay, K ya


, (mmhmm) okay, eight O so on your point on the paper bags ah I do agree ah first of all I I I'm trying to


the draw this comparison between plastic beg and paper beg lah so definitely paper beg is a greener way of uh because we can be recycled and reused and also , ah make full use of the thing compared to a plastic bag lah because plastic bag when you melt ah definitely there's no use to it already and then also ah it will also caused pollution


and as a child so I do agree on the the the part that the paper bag, ah for to do your publicity but ah what I'm trying to bring across is all these uh should be consider green products lah and in a way


uh as uh most of the company and and like starbucks or NTUC fairprice are doing okay they want to reduce the use of plastic bags of straws plastic straws and go into a a more, recyclable mode lah that means ah


using paper bag lah using even, what you call that the bamboo straws lah or even metal straws lah for for starbucks and then uh I also know of company like a red mark they are also uh more into eco friendly products under the the company law label


because err these products are or eco-friendly products are more affordable than those well known brands, ah and also they they did do a studies like of, just based on their website ya they they said that ah they have a certified three ply toilet paper at the five twenty


which was cheaper than other brands which is also similar certified so other brands like for another brand lah cost about six ninety five for the same quality, so I guess uh these are things that the companies are actually doing and also exploring lah on how to make full use of recyclable products or even products that are well


less well known but can help to for the uh the green initiative, so I think uh by going green are definitely will have a uh benefits for for people consumer and also for the company


because uh company first of all I think in terms of company they will definitely choose more environmental friendly uh products, and and there was also there will also be a higher demand nowadays because nowadays with you you notice on people are


more well known to all these kind of uh products and they will start to ask for it like uh do we have a recyclable uh or reusable kind of uh products like spoon lah, uh straw lah or or or chopstick and et cetera so these are things that uh companies are actually exploring and uh


people or consumer are actually asking or demanding for these items ah so I guess these are things that are are making the the whole go green ah afforded a mix better or business sense in this way lah


okay, okay, (hmm)


okay okay but uh my point across ah is ah I, just want to say that uh, first of all I agree that err maybe in business sense ah people want to show their product or company uh logos uh on their paper bag


ah and I he never disagreed that the paper bags are not not good enough ah it is a is a better or recyclable material and plastic bags so I'm widowed


or I do see a increased uh increase awareness and demand for such products lah in in terms of just now you said paper bags and and and, maybe uh bamboo straws or metal straws and et cetera and uh because ultimately customers are getting more environmental conscious they will also want to reduce the number of waste generated and then also want to reduce product that can be recycled


recycle ah and , and I must say that ah we do need to also look into our waste like how taiwan is doing they are actually very strong in their recycling products are so they actually


will go or even more steps lah that means they want everybody even from home onwards ah try to recycle all their products lah but that one is more to up the whole wide whole island wide like our whole country wide lah, but now we are talking more to the business sense ah I think a lot of companies or if you notice ah is uh they are growing more and more into this


go ah green products and uh and they have been uh uh due to the increase awareness of uh consumer of there lah want to reduce recycle uh or use a green products


that are so that and in a way they are also hoped to were actually helped in terms of , the environment and make sure that uh there's uh they want to play their part lah in terms of uh in a environment environmental friendly products and then also to try to do the recycle reuse


uh and we reuse recycled and re re what ah re reproduce uh for yeah just like what ah I think ah n e a has been also trying to educate everybody lah so I guess ah in in business sense thank you


debate topic one


K my turn okay I


okay understand okay I do understand that the cross island line will be built under the nature reserved but do note, there is singapore is a scarcity countries ya we don't have much nature reserved in singapore building a tunnel right underground uh right under the nature reserved right is like as good as disturbing the


animal the species that stay in the nature reserved yeah I understand that the cross line will actually cut down the travel time by six minutes but singapore is so small six minutes is not, significant enough to do up


uh cross island line and by reducing the cost of fifteen percent about have you think about thought about the cost of construction the whole the whole fifty meters of cross island line, I don't think is significant enough to actually asked the taxpayer to actually pay two billion using the taxpayer money to construct this adjust save of six percent


I mean six minute travel distance travel time, yeah


okay I took over okay , okay I do understand that ya you do cut down the times but does six minutes show a significant time amount because six minute right is just is like walking six hundred metres while with a normal human being takes about a while minute to walk hundred metres six minute is about six hundred meters


for walking distance ya the times shorten right is not significant enough to actually spend the money okay to build up a new line that costs uh fifty meters and use is using like two billion dollar to for taxpayers' money


to actually construct their line okay the government can actually consider not doing the line because we have a lot of numbers of, I mean a lot of MRT lines in singapore are ready we're such a small country do we really need so much MRT lines to travel around I don't think so especially is only a six minute


shorten timing you get I meant and I do understand it will also reduce the cost of fifteen percent for commuters to actually travel around but the cost of constructing the whole MRT line is already a huge amount right is already a huge amount to pay in the first place


furthermore is construct underneath the nature reserved it will definitely disturb the peace of the animals that staying the nature reserved, yeah and it will cause, panic attack to the animals yeah you do understand how poor the animals are they they don't have any place to say yeah


yes yes I think have the government can actually void this plan because it's only six minutes reduction in time, yeah you get my voice ya,


okay okay have have okay ya as what I mentioned right we are a small country we have a lot


of MRT lines to travel from one end to the other end north-east line south-west line circle line downtown line thomson-east coast line all these lines is already in there I meant are already, uh at is already there so doing up another line across other line is it necessary


for the government to do that if they abandon this project, alright right the taxpayer can actually save the two billion dollars for better use like this pandemic okay six minutes shorten timing right I mean


the shortened the travel time by six minute is not significant enough is not like six hours, like other countries like like those european country is only a six minute time what can the six minute do if you’re, right am I right and you do mentioned about the relocation of the if they do the skirting around the nature reserved okay so the government have to relocate all these things right so if they abandoned this project they won't have such issue anymore


am I right because it's just an additional line it doesn't serve much purpose, it's only a six minute difference alright yes and you’re get going to save the money because save all the trouble talking to those people around around the the nature reserved


yea because this you can disrupt at the piece of every anything yeah yeah, ,


north-east line uh east-west line yeah


yes yes yes as I mentioned we have a lot of lines, yeah, right we are done, okay okay


no problem ya, yup


(mmhmm) , you are I kind of don't remember what's the debate topic oh


debate topic two


okay, to with to correct everything right because the climate change actually due to maybe human why do I say so right because you see if within invent cause


right, there won’t be any like carbon monoxide or maybe chemicals to actually destroy the ozone layer okay the ozone layer in the earth is actually getting bigger, that's result into the sun shining directly onto the cold country the melting the ice and causing the heat and then the increase of temperature


okay uh that will actually change the climates ya because once you melt the ice right, the ice become water and the water would become like, you will flood the place in fact yeah like some uh country is right they are actually coming up very soon very very soon you won’t see the country anymore okay follow by them uh since it's already done


there's nothing we can do to reverse the cycle while we can do now as a human right is to reduce by going green, recycle the products that’s able to recycle and stop using product that is not able to recycle


this is why I think that may it might helps okay since is already done what we can do is to just, pre plan what we need to do okay and then try to protect the earth because we are living in the earth we don’t want the earth to go be gone in one day okay (mmhmm)


okay I get I get your point uh but what what you mentioned earlier, is more towards like nature disaster is not about climate change okay man are helpless towards nature


disaster that's I can agree because we don't know when the storm will come when the tsunami will be coming it’s uncountable we cannot be able to calculate the risk they are but what we are seeing right now is actually the climate changes what has causes a climate to change okay is is mainly


due to the ozone layer destroyed, as getting thinner and thinner the sun the heat came directly into the earth and melting away the ice that we have, and this causes the climate changes because more ice melted the heat increase we have lesser tree likes people cutting off the trees to actually


do with papers using the tree to actually do up paper cutting a lot of trees off okay and this is why we as a human we are not helpless we can actually reduce that, how by using less paper or maybe use recycled paper or even nowadays using the e-way right we can actually do contracts on the internet we


on PDF and just send it to each other even across the country without mailing it out okay all this is actually small little steps right that human can actually do to actually reduce the risk of the climate changes or maybe reduced the risk of or maybe slowing down the risk of that ozone layer has being destroyed


yeah but what I meant earlier that yes uh the ozone layer is already being destroyed getting thinner by right now what we need to do is to try to reduce it instead of like expediting the ozone layer to be thinner faster, okay so man are not helpless we actually have a lot of things that we can do to actually reduce it from happening


yes sure


okay !aiya! okay your question I do understand what is done we cannot be undone, like what I mentioned the ozone layer is already destroyed maybe before this thing the climate change happen that's why we had that's why the climate changes okay what I’m saying right now is to reduce it or maybe slowed down the the the it slow down the this slow down the process of the ozone layer right


to be destroyed which is right now humans what humans need to do right is to reduce the pollution okay because we do know that the pollution right actually destroyed the ozone layer, but it's already destroyed I mean it the ozone layer is getting thinner there's nothing we can do and the ozone layer


I don't know whether they can be repaired by itself but right now what I meant is like we we are trying to reduce it or maybe slowing down the process slowing down the process of the ozone layer being thinner getting thinner and thinner okay that's the whole thing that we can come about


right now and I do know right this scientists out there they had come up with a lot of experiment they are trying to cool the, northern area or the southern area right the ice there they had come up with a lot of plans uh whether it helps or not we don't know because I’m not the scientists too okay but it


thus at least humans are thinking of way to actually try to, try to revise reverse the climate changes but whether the scientists are able to make it or not it depends yeah it depends yeah, right so we are not really helpless okay we are fighting against the nature okay we are fighting against the climate changes there's a lot of things you can do even it’s flooded right you can actually build high rise right unlike last time we don't have high rise tower


but even now we can actually build high rise we can actually do proper tunnelling proper drainage to actually drain the water out, to the sea ya all this we can do so we don't have a facing any flood issue or any sudden flood issue yes yup


okay


okay done


debate topic tree


okay okay uh you mentioned about going green right which means that the reducing of


plastic use plastic bag use or yet all this right, like , I mean that's good initiative to go green for business but what does it mean by good business sense for going green if they reduce their use of paper bags or plastic bags and the past why do they have paper bags and plastic bags this will actually promote the company brand because people the consumer right


who actually carry the paper bags will be walking around , right so other consumers can actually notice about the company brands okay this is n t u c there's a seven eleven okay this is can this can be like a paper bags like lv fendi gucci right this is actually the market to market the company brand so is it very good


by going green is make good business sense with a company I rarely have doubts on that yeah, you need, so


okay I do understand that they are going green right he do make some sense business sense but right now we are talking about ah what I mentioned earlier right


because paper bags and plastic bags is actually a low low cost of marketing is very low cost of marketing so as a business, as a company owner or as a business sense itself right, with low marketing cost but you get a maximum or maybe high market awareness that should become in the way uh but you do mentioned earlier about the APB using solar panel all these right is a good going green uh in fact by and I I mean it would it it


it doesn't doesn't have any marketing effect on that but it do have uh social responsibility I will say, right this is more like a social responsibility due to the public and so people will actually know that okay this company got some social responsibility and they they want to look more into this company and there is this is a one of the good business sense they they that that I mean the initiative that APB came up with ya


okay but what in other then, that's right I still think going without a plastic bag or paper bag for all company, is a no no because it's such a low marketing cost and then you can actually get a the the the maximum awareness consumer awareness yeah that's why another company out there right they are still using plastic bags they are still using paper bags even what you mentioned earlier starbucks


you go to starbucks yes they do go without straws but you ask for, but if you purchase any a big uh ticket items right they will still give you a paper bag, alright yeah and for luxurious product you are still seen people carrying the paper bags why because of the awareness that the company would like to create okay


I didn't read we cannot go without paper bags you cannot go without plastic bags if we how hands are only we only have two hands we can't carry so much thing, but with the with the paper and plastic bag right it helps us to carry more things, right yeah


(mmhmm) yeah


okay I do agree that company going green will actually make good business sense but like what I mentioned right plastic bags paper bags all these are necessity, okay not all companies are able to go green


not all companies yeah some companies yes they do because they‘re they have lost lesser product to sell or maybe it's yeah so they're able to go green yup but most of the companies out there right going green may not be the way for them they can actually do other social responsibility but going green like saving on paper bags


plastic bags is impossible because it's really a low marketing costs but we can actually create a lot of awareness without that right without that I don't see any other ways that can actually get a immediate awareness like a boutique you went into a boutique, you come up with your paper bag shoppers around will actually see that okay this is from there this is from there right but without the paper bag nobody know you went into which boutiques okay nobody will even know that okay this boutique is around this this shopping mall


yeah yeah so it doesn't really make good business sense for big companies will would need their branding to be around right this is what I trying to say yeah and then stop


eh same same thing he goes stop at twelve minute plus


part one debate topic one, okay I feel the animal live should be equally uh as equally valued as human life


okay they're ah they're they have they're they are have, life to so right now in our in our, in our family uh structures we don't have that many children


so a lot of lah a lot of us actually treat our pets, and uh as ah as part of our family, so uh, would you actually abandon your family if it sick or put it down just because it's ah no longer convenient for you


K what


okay if you ask me, if I want to save a dog or donald trump there is debatable , okay because as you can see what he did during this COVID time he


I'm not really sure whether is it really worth to save him rather than my pet, K, right now because actually , sometimes, you can say that okay ah


we are usually not in a situation where we have to choose between an animal and a human being, but, of course if you ask a person, would you rather save a species of bacteria, as compared to a baby everybody will be very appalled if we say that we are going to say the bacteria


but the thing is actually our human, body is at a encompass of lots and lots of good bacteria which is very important for our gut if to save one human, but we kill off all bacteria that might cause actually the extinction of human species


I would uh what I feel is that err humans and animals have a a balance of interdependence so is actually equally important


okay in the first place I do not know how to swim , , I probably would save myself, , okay because one thing is that if that is a stranger ya ya and actually you see your dog in the water


in my eyes, because I see my dog as my family member I might not even see the stranger struggling in the water I would have only have eyes for my pet and my only aim is probably to save it even though I do not know how to swim


okay in a, okay in the first place right now uh I think I seen the article before, the part about the kid going into the gorilla enclosure is actually the fault of the human being


is the fault of the parents the uh being the person didn't uh being the caretaker did not actually take care of their child uh well enough and let him wander into the enclosure the animal, being innocent got nothing to do


with the he he is not the one who lured the child into the enclosure, so right now yes between an animal and the human, uh life, we as a human and with the parents there shouting for help


will probably help the the baby first, but the thing is actually, don't if you think about it it's actually very unfair for the uh gorilla as well, he is only doing much as his nature


he saw the baby boy as food or maybe even he became territorial because, another species come into his its into his cage, and he might be afraid that okay, that little boy to him you might be trying to overtake his territory


so that is actually a very sad case and I still feel that animals should be, equally valued


but this we are speaking from our point of view in their own animal kingdom they have their own love their own, uh love for each other their own uh way of life also but it's just that their language and our language, is not in sync they may not be able to convey how they're feeling what they're thinking to us


so what happens , so you mean okay so actually you in the case of the gorilla


he might be thinking that he wants to help the child as well but to us it may be seen as aggressive move so our instinct is always to protect ourselves our own species our own dominance, so, we feel okay in our world we feel that we are more a dominant uh in the hierarchy we are the top


but actually, there are many other animals, which are more powerful than us, can we have like the elephants


all this okay we have elephants and horses and all these which are more powerful than us they can do more things, even but of course, we able to uh you know because we are, because we are protective our territory so wait subjugate


the animals and lock them up in cages and then overtake their their homelands and then feel that we are now king of this world, it is not our right actually to remove


at all actually to kill off all of them from from the world


okay the law is actually being written out by us, so, who is going to stand for them and be their lawyer and write the laws for them


but in their society we do not know them well enough whether do they have lawyers, in their in in in their uh what do you call that, they're hurt or anything or anybody who mediates or definitely if you see from uh you know the all the animal


if you actually study the animals they actually do have their own leadership their own uh way of life as well so I feel that we should live peacefully together with them


and we should value their lives as well


but actually in this kind of cases uh the animal themselves are also being judged, okay in in in the cases where, dogs or or whichever animal actually heard a human being after being judge they're usually being put down to death


so actually they are also, paying for their actions as well


but they are being being put to death so that is like capital punishment


okay the thing is I just feel that uh for animals, sometimes it's actually the human beings which are at fault the kids or the person go and provoked the dog because they feel that okay !hey! you are so cute you know you know things like that they they can some animals or rather some some human beings actually


maybe because they are not animal lovers will kick the dog will actually go and push it you know or use something to provoke it so actually sometimes you really can't blame the animal for fighting back, even I we ourselves if we are being provoked by other people you hit them uh you will hit back also


and this is the sad part about animals, being judged, we do not know what it what was it feeling at that time, and then we feel that oh it's because the animal has turned crazy and should be put down


okay I don't disagree that right now in this world we are the one doing the decision for animals but it does not, uh let let us devalue the animal's live


so meaning that right now okay we're saying that we can decide for the animal but their lives should still be equally valued as human's live, we should not, be killing an animal


or feeling that okay someone's life is more important than an animal, just because, we are the one making the decision it should be a fair, fair inquiry


if you that's why I say that if between you're top telling me to decide between the life of donald trump and the dog, I would still feel, that actually we should consider the pros and cons before making the decision and not just making a strict out decision said that human beings are definitely more important


okay that, no ah this one I don't really agree because actually in a animal kingdom they have their they have their, independents to each other meaning that okay maybe there's a prey and that there's a predator


so maybe the predator you'll see that is uh okay example you are talking about a eagle swooping down to kill the rat so right now in this in this ah example the eagle is actually more dominant, and then the rat is probably seen as the weak one


but then after that, there'll be another predator for the eagle, so all these things are all uh or or rather is all link, is to balance out the whole ecosystem


this all goes back, these all goes back into animal kingdom I mean we need to eat to survive we are omnivores so that's why we are eating the the domestic animals, as part of our diet, same thing as well


but that's not but, it did you know that actually there are some human beings which also feed on human beings, like the cannibals, so this kind of thing is that we are also seen as the weaker


uh, weaker animal in that in that case so doesn't mean they are more superior than us and then they can decide for us


this is a matter of your, living and your lifestyle I mean for some people yes they value them so much that they really do not eat animals vegans


uh, those vegetarians, oh since I say that human beings, all have their own rights is up to you whether you want to eat or you don't want to eat


that is talking about domestic, husbandry because we're talking about in a while they have a choice they can escape


part two debate topic two


K we are here to talk about change is always good, definitely change is always good, we we don't change how are we going to evolve, and right now with the election coming up


we are all looking into changes right


okay looking at this point that means actually change is always good lah, no but if you are not actually able to change it shows that you are very uh very rigid person, you need to evolve with with the environment


otherwise how are we going to improve ourselves, ya, ya so that's why you must be able to accept changes, and then


we should always make the changes whenever necessary


not changing, and standing at the same position, is the, worst thing that, could have happened we are not saying that, we are not saying that actually uh


which okay what I'm trying to say is that, we should accept changes and then make adjustments along the way whatever you you won't be losing your inner self I mean you're what you're you're, your personal thoughts and your personal principals should always remain the same


but we must always be ready, to actually, accept changes and then carry on with our lives


for me is a yes, okay you're thinking, ya but the thing is, this is a challenge for yourself, because your I, find that you are thinking is like those err those people who are facing midlife crisis


for example we have many colleagues who who saying that you know once they hit a certain position in a company, although they hate the work they are doing, they refuse to move to something else


they refused to accept that, they could be doing better elsewhere, so, what happens is that they are they what they're being they're very unhappy in their position


but then every day they still come to work on time but they will do the minimum, there will be no improvement, is as if the boss see them as invisible they're just doing the same paperwork if you ask them to do a little bit extra to push them for that promotion


they will be very resistant, they will say that, !aiya! I don't know don't ask me to do, you know then then after that when you're they're their work, uh I work day ends at five thirty


they will leave exactly on the dot, you ask them to do a slightly a little bit more they will be very resistant to it, I, find that this kind of mentality is really not very healthy you are doing something, because you're afraid to move to a new environment


they could have considered that, maybe they want to move to another department do a different job scope they might be happier, but to them they're hogging their position as it they're so afraid that somebody you know will come and fight with them


for their rice bowl, so like whatever like we have new, employees coming in are asking them how to do certain things they're not very willing to share


no in this case actually change is good, they should be no but their


no they're forcing okay in this case is that they're are forcing themselves never never ever to change they don't want their environment to change at all not even the air con you know going down by one degree or going up by one degree or whatever


because they they're they're feeling that they're comfortable in their position and they refuse to actually, open, be open to the idea that, if they are, open to changes they teach the new the newbies


the next round the boss might be looking at promoting this person, because they'll find that !hey! you have management skills you can actually guide your, new uh colleagues, but for them they rather hock in their own cubicle and refused to move


because they feel that changes is not always good, and they refused to accept changes


ya the thing is because actually if you want to say that you want to be open to uh improvement you have to have the energy you must be open to different challenges and different changes daily, you cannot say that there's because you cannot say that you know you do something over and over again and then always do the same thing over and over again and then that makes it an accident firm definitely it will not be


every, no change is, change is not always more work like for example you've been doing the paperwork for so many years right now there is a system that can actually simplify everything


and then make it done in ten minutes but that requires you to go and learn the new system, so that is a good change


okay but the thing is right now in our changing environment we are using technology and technology is changing every time if we say that we value them and then they are doing the paperwork manually all the time, but the company cannot stop evolving because of them


so, with automation and everything they need to have some changes, we need to shift okay we are not even talking about, you know getting them to resign or actually you will just re-deploying them to do something else because in times of changes


no their position might be become might become redundant, or there is a need to change the scope of how they do things, when they're resistant to changes when they're resistance to changes this way is very hard for the company to value them as a loyal employee


because, every step of the way they will be fighting against the management for improvements


actually you will think about it in another way, if getting robots to cook our dishes our breakfast or whatever, can save time and then leave you to do other things why not


they can be re-deployed to do other things, ya but the government has always encouraged, uh, the population to re-learn learn re new skills and all and then they re re re-deployed to other sectors


ya but this is a never ending, uh, this is definitely something which we'll not be able to stop


we I just feel that we we as a population we need to accept the changes if, one company refused to do any changes at all and then remained the same by saying that okay I need to protect my employees all of them need to stay in the same position we shall remain the same


then, I tell you in the first place probably the whole company will go bust also and then the employer probably cannot save anyone, because he himself will be jobless


okay in the first place when we are, !huh!


cater the thing about honouring them encouraging them all this is also to make sure that they're acceptable to change adaptable to changes in the environment


you need to move with the times you need to move with the company if the company itself needs to improve needs to change you will need to change with the that's why we say we grow with the company not the company stay with us


that is relative to uh, situation


is good for china , there's always somebody going to benefit from this change, so I'm saying that choose, your changes wisely I mean


right now you are what I'm trying to, emphasis is that changes is always inevitable but whether you accept the changes in the positive way or negative way that's the most important


but, okay but the thing is because if you are not open the changes you don't even set the goal you might not even earn ten dollars in the next year


you can always learn something from the changes, so if you why I feels that if you feel that this change is not good enough go to the next one, so you need to change again you need to always evolve


to be a better person, if you find that plan a does not work you need to change your plan b whichever plan that works for you


please share with us


but difference is actually up to a person's ah view, like for example I go and change to a new hairstyle, from long to very short to bob style, that is a court considered a total change or do you call it an improvement only


to me maybe is, I've actually had long hair all my life so uh bob style is actually a total change, but to you maybe it's just a change of lifestyles is an improvement


to your appearance, so actually the way you feel whether is improvement or change is everybody's different perception


no change, no no risk no gain, so I cannot really decide like you know whether I in the future whether I will actually decide to move to another country, I, actually from young I moved from malaysia to singapore if my parents did not


agree to, shift themselves up root themselves from malaysia to come all the way to singapore I won't be staying here also


part three debate topic three


okay I feel that abortion should be banned, right now in this world, if abortion is not banned then everybody, we will be worry about our children you know not practising safe sex


then we will have a lot of, uh children that's born not wanted


and this will impact the parent's life as well, no I feel that abortion


should not, should not be allowed, parents, educators should actually guide the children, from young to make sure that


they do, they don't uh depend they don't actually use that excuse that abortion they can go abortion any time, you know should anything happen


is a human life we should value human lives


ya but the because, they are the they are emotionally ready for the act so there must be responsible for it


that's why actually I find that education from young is very important you should


but by giving them the the option that, they can go for abortion any time it actually make them a irresponsible adult as well, you can just, you can just go ahead and have abortion and then make is like trying to snap our finger erased everything


erase all your mistakes


but this time we are talking about medical uh medical emergencies which I feel that, probably is, and exception, that will be a termination of pregnancy because


there is a endangerment to the, the mother, or the child has a deficiency in the womb


okay but I feel that, using that as an excuse saying that okay I'm not emotionally ready I'm not financially ready to have a baby, then I should go for abortion


but the thing is, you have to realise that in this case you are doing a termination of a life doesn't the baby has a right to live to


but, whether the baby is blind or deaf actually you cannot you do not know until the baby is born


that that is, your baby as well, I think being a mother many would agree with me that, no matter how the baby turns out to be it's a part of you


and you will love it all the same, it's not the same as putting down adopt, you know putting down a pet which has maybe hearing problem eye problem, or heart problem


is this is a part of you and you are the mother once you're mother, you should not, we will you should take the responsibility seriously


okay I'm not saying I'll challenging the rights of a women as a woman, you are free to make decisions, but, you need to know what are the boundaries and what are the responsibilities you can enjoy everything else but please


practice safely, then once if something happens I think you should actually have the, courage, to take up the responsibility and not say that abortion


since is, legal I can just go ahead with it and terminate, you can still you can still enjoy, whatever activities you have, but, must always practices safely


you mean the baby or the mother


but you were saying that she's not mentally sound then how do do you actually know that she herself does not want to have a baby everybody has the instinct of you know protecting your own baby


in such cases there is always some special laws to consider whether the, pregnancy can be terminated but I'm saying that, voluntary abortion should definitely be banned


'cause have you thought about if in society we put it as abortion, is is okay for abortion to take place everybody can go for abortion, how does it make


the society, think a lot of people definitely will make use of this loophole, and I just think that yes I can play around any time


and then you know once I oh I got it or get pregnant or something I'll just go ahead and terminate the baby


I, still feel that all these actually, comes to, teaching and learning, and also educating from young, if, we are actually being educated the correct


thinking, it will definitely not be a problem, if you can you you have okay if after you give birth if you have, problem, bring up the child there's always welfare societies there are many many many couples all over the world


who are trying to have children but unable to, they can always consider, giving up the baby for adoption, instead of just denying a child, the right to live


by simply going for abortion


no matter what I think the parent or rather the mother, I always feel that there's a will there's a way, even if your child, is a born defective


they should still or rather he or she should still have a right to live, they did not choose, to be born defective, but


given their circumstances they can still live happily, like an autistic child, mentally maybe he's not that smart as compared to a child, the same age but


he can still be part, to enjoy his life in society, to do the things that he can to the max of his potential


so I feel that abortion should be banned


but you will talk okay but you are using data to talk it about in united states, right now in singapore kids from young even as young as primary school they already have sex education, and parents


are right now also more open to the idea of talking about sex, so


this is not a matter of encouragement I mean we will not definitely not, wish for the, the the daughter or rather the child, to be actually, you know getting this kind of treatment from a stepfather as a child


she should be protected, especially from someone as close as her own stepfather, and this is an individual case, and this is talking about, domestic issues where


I think that there's something wrong with the father also that he actually can rape his own stepchild, but we are talking about in general, if we actually open up abortion to everyone


that would actually impact, the whole society as a whole 'cause all that our youngsters would actually feel that !hey! there's nothing we can just you know go ahead and party do everything we want and then at end of the day something happens


we just go for abortion


that's why we say that education is still the key, third world countries they are not, highly educated, so what we should do is to actually ensure, that


the children are being educated as much as possible, to ensure that this kind of tragedy does not happen


part one debate topic one


okay as much as I, love animals I mean I really love them very much because I've a pet dog at home the idea that the life of a cat or a dog, is, as important as the life of a human being is a terrible want a very wrong one and insulting one in fact


valuing animal lives over human ones isn't just a fringe point of view, in twenty thirteen a study conducted by researchers at regis university found that when faced with a hypothetical situation in which human being can only save either their


pet, or a human foreign tourists from being hit by a bus, do you know that forty percent of the participants chose their pet, imagine donald trump or imagine a person and a dog, a car ran either you can either choose one a dog or human being to save who would you save human being or a dog


therefore, I don't agree that human being and animals are on the same path,


, , okay


true, okay if you saw your dog


okay, and the stranger both drowning in the ocean who would you save first, who would you save first only one choice,


okay in twenties


okay, in twenty sixteen, it's debatable because in twenty sixteen a little boy K fell fell ah he really fell voluntary or involuntary into a gorilla enclosure


in a UK zoo , and what happened next was really, predictable no choice, they actually shot down the gorilla, to save the little boy, and there comes no the debate and the riots of this animal rights


let me ask you a question this boy fell into the enclosure the gorilla has this instinct to actually this boy is endangered who would you save first the little boy on the gorilla, who whose life is more valuable who has more brains


who, (mmhmm)


(mmhmm)


(mmhmm) (mmhmm)


(mmhmm), correct ah


you have just said the point animals right they don't have the same access to our state of being our empathy sympathy language brain frequency even the unique sort of love that we share with each other


these are very powerful know an important things uh about a being human being we are emotional we know what is right what is wrong but does an animal know what is right what is wrong, no they don't correct or not, you (uh huh)


(uh huh), but the thing,


, such as


I'm not saying that we should kill the animals I mean humans and animals have lived side by side for many many years animals actually enrich our lives and help us to understand the natural world around us but don't forget you know humans have the power and the intelligence to make influential decisions


we make decisions for the animals we decide for the animals not the other way round, correct or not, do animals have legal rights


exactly lor, who does animal have legal rights or not can they stay in court and then start to say you know I got this I got that I got right don't have


okay dog, true but do you know that doctor kelvin the law faculty of university of oxford once explore whether animals have legal rights whether humans should protect them and if it's even possible for an animal to commit a crime the answer is no


because we human being rules right at the oxford right have actually long banned the dogs from the grounds and they were discussing about this human rights animal rights and whether do they have legal rights and do they really commit a crime I think punishable the answer is no


are dogs K dogs often bite, bug and bites, and they injured but who is the one being stand in court who is the one being fined or imprisoned is it the dog, or the owner of the dog, the answer is owner of the dog


but, it is not a criminal crime it is not a legal criminal crime for them to kill somebody for them to bite somebody for them to injured somebody it is again


but that is also a human's decision, you see human being make the decision for them they're incapable of making decisions for themselves, correct or not


they didn't make the decisions to have the capital punishment we human beings decide for them we tell them what to do we fit them we cloth them we bath for them, everything is we


okay, (mmhmm)


uh there's still a decision of their human being right, we like it you don't like it you can't get away from the fact that it is us human being who are making, the decisions for the animals


it is us human beings, okay we have the ability to question to judge and to decide animals don't have how to be on par


do you know ah that all animals are equal


this is actually at the end of the story animal farm but ah some animals ah are actually more equal than others, this is a mock you know this is a mocking this is a mocking fascism


human beings ah in our DNA ah we can choose we can love we can think we can decide animals cannot, they can't fight for themselves on the planet that cannot distinct they cannot even divide things into category like it don't like it they can't


agree, they don't have empathy you know they don't have sympathy you know they don't even know the language of the particular you need sort of love that you know, (mmhmm)


true, (mmhmm), (mmhmm)


so are you trying to tell me that animals, have equal rights than human being so


we should not kill or inflict pain on them, then let me ask you a question why are we eating them, why are we eating pork mutton beef fish prawns we are killing them


you are also killing them you are also


you also killed them, ,


if that is the case right can I put it to you we actually value things in different way


beauty of art of nature appreciating and preserving them if that is the case don't eat them


but honestly this kind of comparison actually makes no sense


you have a choice now you're telling me that you have a choice uh to eat or not to eat correct or not but do the animals have a choice to choose or not to to choose not to be eaten they don't have they are still at the mercy of us


you see ah what really bothers me ah is human life to human life ah also have established rhythms you know because you judge you says that oh in the wild they they have they can they can fend for themselves they can do this they can do that so domestically they can't decide for themselves so we eat them you also judge them


you will also make the decisions for them, you go to work in the same day every day go to work have dinner go to beds start all over again isn't it the same so you like you love your children do you love your children as much as your pet, you feed your child you educate your child you bathe your child yes you feed your animal you feed your feed and bathe for animal but do you educate your animal do you spend as much time as on the animal


record button okay, part two debate topic two


, change is not always (ppc)


, , , change is not always a good thing, number one it may force us, force us, out of tired habits at impose better one upon us


it can also be very stressful costly and even disrupted, but what's important about change ah is how we anticipate it, and react to it, you get I mean you can help pass, to develop resilience


correct or not, no it's very stressful and costly


how do we improve ourselves through improvement not to change


when you make the changes number one what would you lose control, change interferes with the autonomy and can make people feel that they're lost control over their territory and that's not just political you know as in who has the power


our sense of self determination is often the first thing to go when we faced with the potential change coming from someone else, we invite others into the planning giving them ownership, are you sure like let's say using this GE for example are you sure change is the only solution for us


uh , (mmhmm)


there is a saying better the devil you know than the devil you don't know, will you often will you prefer to remain than to head towards an unknown


you don't know what's going to happen in front you know you might died, but you stay here you confirm very comfortable you confirm have food have home have clothes to wear will you go forward without knowing anything in front of you yes or no


so you no doubt knowing jolly well you might not have food you know no food no home no clothes you know


(mmhmm)


so change is not always good right, but they're forced to change they're forced to change because they live in the highly connected fast paced global environment it is the environment which forced them to change it has nothing to do with innovation or fostering creativity or learning new skill as you said or acquiring new knowledge


don't have, correct or not don't have, nothing you're forcing them to change because you said that you got new staff coming in


then they're loser, that's why they're you see tom peters an american writer on business management practices once wrote this excellent firms don't believe in excellence


they only believe in improvement enthusiasm and energy that we have resisted in the past, and this refers to excellent firms, they don't believe in change they only believe in improvement


enthusiasm and energy, everything is still the same if your ex-colleagues had the enthusiasm have the energy that they should improved themselves to suit better the environment, then is a different ball game


then that's very sad what, then it's very sad what set is eh change is more work yes or no need to change yourself right so it's more work


there is a tenders law that says everything can look like a failure and the middle leaders should acknowledge hard work but allowing some people to


focus, exclusively on it, they should reward and recognise participants and their families too, who often make unseen sacrifices, so with this law we can say that change is not inevitable it is a universal challenge change is about more work


correct or not, we don't need to change ourselves we just need to focus on our strength, and when we focus on our strength maybe your colleagues they're strength is on admin work they could just focused themselves on admin work and when they do good do well the firm should reward and recognise their


effort, and not asking them to take on more work to change themselves to suit the environment to suit the people who are coming in this is unfair to them


then the threat is real


then are you okay that means you are agreeing ah that new technologies ah should displace those old ones so which should have change like embrace change kick out the old stuff


correct or not, get robots to come in use robots to cook like king copthorne hotel they don't hire employee they actually got a robot to cook your breakfast omelette during your buffet breakfast job are lost, prices are cut


so do you welcome all these changes by getting rid of the old workers welcome welcome technology welcome welcome welcome younger people welcome welcome foreign workers cheaper cause these are change what


they didn't leave them to do other things you know they actually set them


so bad there are being set because new technology replace old ones, no matter how much skills you learn when technologies comes in they just replace the old ones jobs can be lost


so instead, so is this honest transparent fast and fair because of new technology new people coming in the old ones get out the old one sack everybody replace jobs are lost


is this correct, so you agree ah


but when the change ah involved ah, a big big shift of strategic direction instructions the people ah who are responsible for the previous one nah


will definitely drag the perception ah that they are wrong, what leaders can do


what leaders can do right is actually to motivate them, honour them, celebrate with them that they're very useful encourage them to improve themselves instead of changing them


what is good, I mean, you say change change change change change how much change how much change is good


is change always equal to progress, you were saying that change means better right but it's change always equal to progress, america also changed they changed their president is a change right is it a progress


is it good, you and I know, , ,


but when you change something okay you do not always gain progress you know you mean you change something you set a goal but is it does it necessary means you will get it


if not mean that I I changed myself I set a goal I set I must I must earn one billion in in ten years time will I earn ten ten billion in one year time no I don't want even earn one billion in ten years time is not possible, correct or not


but changes can be negative, but changes can be negative you know, a road ah that deteriorate full of pit holes have change a ruthless government takes over a a a ruthless person a president takes over a country the whole country change is it good


what is a better person


do you know what is the definition of change


, the dictionary ah defines change as, something different from its original state, different you know from the original state ah so improvement is not counted


all of us are trying to change ourselves by improving ourselves right but this is not this is not change ah change must be totally different


but don't you think that change is too much of a risk as I've said you are now in comfortably living in in this era now with good food with clothes with everything would you want to risk working out for you now would you want to change it as in you go to uh country


and you do not know what lies ahead no job no house no food no clothes nothing no family would you embrace that change or would you stay now stay here in singapore, no natural disaster politically very safe transport infrastructure very stable everything remained the same


would you stay in (mmhmm), really


part three debate topic three, (ppc)


so abortion is so you are pro abortion right


should not be banned lor


so you are saying that let's say if the children is born out of wedlock or they're not financially capable of supporting a baby they should still carry on with the birth lah


even when they're not emotionally ready for the child lah


how many people in singapore are actually emotionally ready for the act but not emotionally ready for for it, how many, and sometimes ah


but too bad, too bad education does encompass everything, and what if what happens when someone is actually pregnant out of the fail lock, then how give birth ah


who's going to support them it's going to cost more society problems you know


so you are saying that


so you are saying, even when the baby the fetus, have genetic defects, even when the pregnancy endanger the life of the mother, the pregnancy should still go on endanger you know birth defects you know


even talk about moral rights right then I have a question I have a sentence for you women have a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies


and banning abortion actually puts women at risk, because you are forcing them to use illegal abortions, an abortion okay, the solution, okay to poverty in third world country if they are not financially stable they give birth


tens and twenties who is going to support them the society the government or who NPO ah non profit organizations how much can we support how much can we fit how much can we give