so many business actually created profile and provide details information about business to advertise in the low cost way and they actually gain more attentions on social media network because business profile is able to make available to all user of the network to see


also uh businesses okay uh likes to use social uh networks to learn about potential employees and make decisions on hiring information so uh I think now we are in a open debate


yes err so nows uh social media because of the COVID uh nineteen actually gain much more attention uh some more uh if you compare ten years ago where social media is only uh meant to be used on the laptop


uh instead of the mobile so uh with the apps on the mobile uh social media spread to more people because it's very convenient for them uh to do like uh taking of food uh looking at the


looking at different places that they travel uh sharing with their friends, so basically they uh using uh social media tools on the mobile unlocks a full potential of the social media social network and is very convenient for people to use and then the user base increase significantly for facebook


uh twitter instagram and also the uh linkedin yeah


okay jack is the counter is running or stop


uh oh okay so stop is on the phone apps is it ah and okay, yeah


oh so I press submit now ah on the apps ah, okay


uh okay jack I have a problem uh after I follow instruction press the submit button then now the prompt one dash four come out then it shows part one debate topic one so is this the correct uh part for that


uh uh, oh oh


oh okay okay can, ah yes okay just to confirm I show my I show my uh phone on the screen now can you see is this the correct one


okay, oh okay, okay, so uh jack your screen now is uh blank I mean ya I think there is something wrong actually more helpful one is you can actually should place debate topic two then uh the timing like for switch to uh learner's one I mean uh this uh


speaker one then speaker two then at least we can use that as a gauge uh against the timer you know otherwise


oh ya, ya because the timer gone ah so I thought what timing at eight o o minute is where which is it my timer on the phone or on the computer so a bit confuse lah yeah


ya ya can ya ya okay


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okay, so I I start now ah okay, uh yes you go you go first


ya so err for the topic people have rights to remain anonymous when portrayed in mediauh what I think is that people should be who they are in real life when using social media okay the reason why is because


this would make using your social media uh safer less confusing and reduce undesirable social activities, so to support this is that the in a recent study conducted by hill research centre study found that sixty four percent of the adult said that anonymity online news and rumours cause a great deal of confusion


and this is true because , uh because of the as you can see in facebook uh that there are a lot of uh riots a lot of uh antisocial activities happening where people read the fake news okay


so people should actually use their real identity because for the new generation, alright they actually connect with their friends uh like in youtube twitter instagram and facebook and with the increased in the use of social media and the amount of thing that people are able to do on this platform


there are a lot of people who incorporate that as part of their life and they actually post to the world to show who they are what they do and, is as though as they're not a person unless they post everything that happen in their life it also means that there is no meaning in their life if they are not connected some way to the apps on their phone


alright , so example like in a TV reality show alright it it's uh, even harder to fake it on online uh when people are being observed for longer period of time uh some as you know there are actually deliberate deceptions and impression managements


uh they're relatively straightforward during short term uh interactions , such as like in uh job interviews uh in dates and parties , uh because these short terms uh they can actually paste uh post uh fake personality on the social media okay so uh in long term when people are using social media alright uh they will actually reveal themself their actual personality


okay


okay so I'll take over from here so basically uh I would say that anonymity uh is actually uh negative in the use of uh social media unless they are doing some antisocial or controversial


uh thing uh activity online so usually like uh sports , (ppc) sports post that they put on uh social media uh usually they re-features the actual person name uh and identity so that's uh that actually helps them alright to become famous because they know who they are


uh especially uh in social media, okay so uh what I see is that the in social media alright uh we should have a window for displaying the bright side of our personality and adhering to the social etiquette and that's what happens


uh when, majority when a great portion of our life is being broad casted and we are more moreover uh you can see that uh lots of this uh web browsers uh apps they are actually using


social media to do tracking so basically like history of the browser uh web searches which page visit the emails and activities all contain traces of the personality, and that actually reflects uh the records are actually capped and reflected uh as part of our social media profile that is actually tracked by those social media company and those businesses okay


so coming back to the topic again I would say that the sometimes are inevitably that people don't really has the rights to control


remaining anonymous uh because every movement that they do uh they are tracked by the apps by the web browsers by the cookies that's inside the uh computers ya


so , one thing that the people has to review that what they are who they are uh in social media alright especially uh in this COVID nineteen uh when there are a lot of fake news that


I know uh it actually causes uh confusion and they cannot they cannot kind of like remain anonymous because the government uh they would actually do tracking like the P O R at POFMA


uh axe alright that prevented uh people from using fake identities to post uh fake news so uh if they do something that's damaging uh to the public uh the government would actually able to use different means uh to track them


yup, okay so passing back to janice


oh ya, okay so one good thing is about , one good thing about remain anonymous is when uh you want to you know , share you know uh something like whistle blower so I can see that the uh when people want to whistle blow uh on certain thing like corruptions or doing something wrong uh in the public then uh they will actually do


uh anonymous uh posting, okay then uh in in uh in social media uh remain anonymous uh has positive and negative side so I would said that the mostly people uh remain anonymous uh is also to


protect people but uh I will actually say that the most of us uh post uh who use facebook uh for me myself I actually use my actual name uh and my actual picture alright when I'm actually doing posting in facebook so that you know my friends will know that's me that I'm actually


posting and when I want to make new friend they when they look for me they also know that uh that's the my that's the real me , so one bad thing about err not do using the real identity is sometimes that would could be fake account


so people actually impersonate you in facebook alright to using your pictures using your name alright to solicit for money and that is not uh, a very good way uh you know using the real identity but uh that is a fake identity uh to do bad things ya


yes so uh that is a good point so what happen is that I think uh


in generally uh remain anonymous really depends on the uh user description uh what are the information they want to be anonymous what are the information they want to be remain private and what are the information


they want to put it to you know to share with other people as their real identity so uh in generally I would said that the it's very hard to be anonymous in the internet because uh everything


uh that you put online uh is actually traceable and because of this uh online thingy a lot people actually, uh switch back to not avoid using social media tools in fact they actually could use back the traditional way of like actual person gathering event gathering


in a sense I mean uh sometimes they just want to maintain the kind of connections in the group so this is uh this is a kind of uh skills that both the older generation and new uh twenty first generations would have to learn to uh


manage uh to be flexible and to learn uh how to you know adapt it that's uh my point of view ya


so so uh just one thing come to my mind is when you put the power point slide right maybe you can actually screen capture the phone what is expected to see on the phone uh so that uh you know when the topic one is going to start what is expected to see on the phone it will be good helpful to


uh to to the to the speaker ya, ya, ya ya


correct correct because initially I I kind of like a bit blur because I I actually quite confuse whether it is test or what should I see next because I you guys didn't show it so I really very confuse ya


opposition


okay, okay


okay, ya so I will, I will follow up on this uh topic that social media should not have the rights to store and use our personal information so basically uh from my point of view social media should have the rights uh to store and use our


uh personal information what is the reason for that is because people uh user knowingly actually sharing their personal details on social media uh things like on in instagram facebook twitter


and uh so in this case uh so it's actually free for everyone to use and that is no need to ask for owner's uh consent uh giving you example like an evidence is social media use social widgets


such as like tweets and those plus one in social media facebook and twitter to track that uh when they actually share contents uh with friends, so these tools actually works with cookies that social media website place in browser so conveniently help them to push information to the user base on the user specific uh online shopping behaviors


and interest, okay so anyone who use facebook know that uh when you paste post contents you have the ability to grant or deny permissions to see that content and some posts are actually public uh open to public


to the world and others are actually restricted to certain audiences so uh typically the people that have connected as friends or the smaller subset that the user specified that's the only way for member of the general public to see these contents to


reconnected as friends uh to the to the poster, so this for this uh for this uh the, the content actually becomes uh public domain now social media


social media has the rights to use content because of terrorism also, so basically sometimes uh the there are news that terrorist actually use social media like the new zealand case uh to post uh terror videos where they actually massacred


uh people in the church so basically this actually cost the you know cost a lot uh hundred over thousand views uh in facebook that the people actually see as a mean of promoting


terrorism and racism so this government actually cause government actually mandate it as a policy uh that the they have to track and map the content user publish on the social media facebook alright


and so this content is never as innocent or straightforward as it appear


yup so uh, what happen here is that the uh coming to that is that uh I think the emphasis is on social media they actually has a rights to store the information personal informations is mainly focus on


perspective of less law and uh legislation of the country, so different country like if I have a cyber online uh law that mandate that the whoever post uh contradicting articles uh will


need to reveal their identities so some in some country they have this law uh to make sure that the they do not harm the society for uh posting posting uh confusing articles, now uh social media


personal informations also inevitably being tracked uh by the phone makers uh the apps developers and also by uh marketing and other and many different kind of businesses


so uh basically there is no way to avoid you know that social media uh shouldn't do not have rights to store because inevitably whatever you use the software whenever you are online whatever you use as business services


in the terms and condition clause uh they would actually, uh state that the they have the rights to access all the purchasing informations that uh you have and use it for their for their own businesses purpose


so inevitably uh consumer have no choice but have to stick to the term and conditions when they use the businesses to purchase things online uh and to post uh contents online in social media


so , , that's the that's the reason why uh consumer don't really have uh particular uh choice uh and uh rights to say that whether what kind of informations uh they would be not allowed to store or what kind of informations they would


the uh allow to stop, ya so passing over to janice


okay, ya that's correct so what what what I read is that uh sometime there is no choice when you are using social media alright you inevitably will actually be track for one thing or another


ya so err in fact I would say that the, this is the coming trend err for the future alright social media will be part of the life there's err no way to escape from it unless err you kind of like uh is a err you become uh countryside


err pumpkin I mean err religion to live in a place where you don't need to use uh technology alright err to to communicate and to work and that uh become err untrackable


in any sense ya just like err in the movies you know like terminator you have err you have this guy who actually don't use the phone at all then uh that that's no way to track err anything about you


so err, the the the the most serious thing that's coming to be uh on social media having the rights to track is that the worrying for the consumer is uh you do not know what kind of uh motivation what kind of err


the purpose that the they use this data for err and some more with the uh technology coming along they could actually clone you err uh to to to I mean based on the behaviour that you have online based on the data you have it on the fit bit


err the health information err they can actually I mean like in some movie they can actually use all this information to make uh another version of you uh to clone you so it can be quite scary in the future when you don't even know whether uh there's another


err similar clone err that's going err that's going to be created to replace you, (ppc)


exactly but the I can see that that is coming err so had to be very careful err in in whatever we do online, so and because the government uh some government might actually have those type of err data repository err uh center where they actually store


uh all the citizen information like uh somehow in china I know uh they actually has this tracker uh can they can even tell you whether uh you are eligible for buying train tickets err because of your good behaviour


err eligible for buying a plane ticket and what kind of uh plane ticket you can buy so based on that uh it's like being inevitably being control by the government err because of your behaviour uh you are good citizen then they will allow you


you know uh to enjoy more public benefits if you are a bad citizen then uh they will reduce the privilege for you as a citizen uh so that the you know you can actually correct your behavior so that's actually good points and bad points for that lah


correct correct ya so so overall I think basically social media I mean in term of privacy in in term of


uh in term of like openness in term of adaptability I think it's really uh different class it really based on different class sometimes richer class you know those (hmm) economic uh economically


err well off people they might actually have a different type of uh status in term of the information that they actually uh recorded stored and in lower class not so well off they might actually have different level of information because they don't have so much purchasing power so


maybe the social media will not actually capture them so much because they might not be so prompt to using credit card and also online purchases


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okay, so uh I will have I will start


correct okay, , okay so the topic is uh social media does more harm than good, okay so err okay well I think I will start off by saying that uh social media is prevalent in all our lives uh we uh we definitely err I think experience both the pros and the cons so for the the sake of today's argument uh I will


mainly bring up on the pros but I do acknowledge that there are also cons lah okay so my analogy for social media is that like that of a fire so fire is a good slave but it's a lousy master so okay a study that


actually was conducted in uh two zero one six uh involving a thousand seven hundred people actually found that, there were three fold risk (ppc) risk of depression and anxiety among uh people who use most social media platforms so the reasons for this will include like cyber bullying err having like a distorted view of other people's lives


and feeling that the time that is spent on social media is a waste okay so I will just expound a bit more on this err these points uh so, I guess the first one is that social media is err


it it it takes hold of our lives so much that it becomes a bit of an addiction so uh we all know that err there's been numerous articles featuring that how uh parents have neglected their children or social relationships have


declined because people are mostly on their phones like their their relationships have been moved onto the online platform rather than face to face yup so that that itself is a addiction shows that we are not able to kind of balance the time that we spend on social media versus the time we spent uh in reality


okay so on top of this we in second point is about mental health ya so, err having the effects of mental health would be would be affecting our self esteem as well as the human connection okay so self esteem in a sense that uh when we see things online like social media that oh uh so and so is having such a good life


err we tend to we tend to compare ourselves to others uh that actually bring down our level of self esteem because we constantly feel like there is a bar to be met and the standard to be met and we have to constantly keep up with that so another point is the human connection


so human connection feeling left out comparison with others that actually uh creates creates a issue with our mental health ya so would be nobody should actually feel discontented with who they are they should feel confident about who they are but with this all this comparison the implicit


the implied meaning right is that we are never good enough as what it should be lah okay so uh uh for this I have a quote so when we derive a sense of worth based on how we are doing relative to others we actually place our happiness in a variable that is completely beyond our control


so this was by doctor tim bonner ya so another study was that uh subjects who five thousand over subjects they found that regular use of facebook which I'm also a user of actually has a negative impact on your well being


ya so uh have I reach three minutes , okay I will just continue I'm not sure when I should stop so , okay uh I'll just continue okay so, in the sense social media makes us uh aspire to be perfect so uh in trying to recreate this perfect look right we actually do not enjoy the actual experience so how many of us are guilty of taking uh pictures of our food before we eat arranging it in the best possible manner you know


so instead of actually enjoying the food uh we tried to make to make it publicized so that people would also get the same and level of enjoyment so called okay and uh this affects as well uh young girls who look up to others


for a sense of self worth they may see oh this beautiful model or a picture of the the model you know uh with with perfect figure and all that and then they wonder am I really as good as I should be ya okay


uh so I have other points I'm not sure whether I should bring it out on the second uh part but ya basically err this is the gist of it and the pressure to conform uh awareness of other people's emotions these are things that uh shown uh shown to


are shown to actually have uh negative impact on our mental health, okay uh, ya and uh just also another to add is the cyber bullying as I mentioned earlier cyber bullying allows people to actually comment okay comment freely on uh uh the the photos that you are posting so that


causes uh a lot of uh opportunity to for others to actually be judged okay jerald over to you, ya


no, I think you have to just tap to make sure it's it's on but not not the record


okay , can thank you for the points ya so uh as I mention ya earlier is that definitely there are benefits of social media so uh when we talk about this debate is also is not uh discounting that there is good definitely


we know from the recent COVID situation as well that uh the the fact that social media exists actually provides us with a lot of more channels where we can interact with each other so ya I think I think like I mentioned the issue is not that uh it


it's not a good tool or channel but rather it could be over if it's overused uh if it creates a form of reliance or dependency on it on this tool uh we might actually we might actually uh suffer from the use of it like it becomes more harmful than good


ya so uh uh I guess uh for for populations like the ones you mentioned which are which have uh mental you know instabilities or emotional issues those may actually uh benefit from reaching out to people


uh based on social media because you know obviously the the audience is wider , but uh for the others like in a general , in a general population I guess uh some people have issues with with managing their time ya with regards to social media and uh a lot of times what we feel is not really what we show in social media we may not


articulate what we feel but uh so for example the the the the reason why we post things on social media could be uh to show that you know everything is well and good and then that could actually affect how we are in real life


which is uh we may feel we're not keeping up to the standard ya so uh there is actually a study which was which was done uh to two groups of teenagers okay so these two groups were actually shown the same picture


one group was shown a picture with more likes you know facebook has the like function right so one group had more was shown the image with more likes and the other one was shown the same but with lesser likes so actually the ones the group that saw the pic with more likes right they actually were more prone to click like themselves


whereas those that saw picture the same picture but with lesser likes they didn't click so the thing is that's that's called a conformity effect that means they try to conform ya uh jack I think I can't the I can't see the timer sorry okay so


if again the the quote is most people who they we don't even like ourselves in real life you know certain parts of ourselves so why should we bother about maintaining that virtual image that people see of us so that actually creates a discrepancy lah between how we


see ourselves and err how we actually are ya, so have I reached the five minute yet, I can't see, uh uh okay, okay


okay can, okay jerald your turn, , yes


ya so like what you were saying that the businesses actually err use this platform to advertise ya I I I do agree that is a good uh a good method the thing is also the users must be capable enough to navigate this uh


this channel like I think for example uh you know recently there was the because of the COVID a lot of hawkers went online and they advertise right ya so I think that was so many that the moderators actually had issues uh trying to control that that swamp of uh


advertisers you see and they found it will be hard to to navigate that ya


(hmm) yeah, K three two one , okay


do we press stop on the recording


you press stop is it on the, okay the Appen the Appen


okay uh this is me right


okay okay so the second topic will be people have rights to remain anonymous when portrayed in media , okay so uh basically , okay so let's define first what it means by privacy or being anonymous is when the individual is not known and cannot be identified


K so err for else for the privacy is that the the data can be collected is just that you must consent you only and you must consent to any use or release of this data okay so I think uh we need to have that err mindset that


there are certain in life there're certain settings where you can be private like for example at home you know nothing you do should be shared with outside right but if you are in public uh there is a public domain at like at any point in time someone might just take out their phone and take a picture of you so that that itself is a risk that we take lah


so when we go on the on social media, if like your settings are set to public you cannot say that you don't want people to know because you have already set that setting so I think right now uh currently the people have rights lah to remain anonymous when portrayed in media so this actually benefits shy people


ya so shy people prefer to remain anonymous and we know that if your identity is available or known sometimes that would actually stop you from freely sharing what you your opinions


ya so , the thing is err being anonymous also helps because in life sometimes we have this prejudice against other people so ya I think the reason currently ongoing is the black movement now in US so we can see that that prejudice is very real it's has been always there for centuries


so having a certain prejudice right actually makes you have a certain thinking of like all these persons' views are not as important or this life is not important but that and that if let's say a person is anonymous uh it will


it will actually remove that opportunity for others to have that prejudice in the first place okay so, I think we know that online identity is a partial identity is not your full identity because what can only be seen on screen is one side of you not your whole person and some may choose to show different sides of themselves and that is also the same as being


uh anonymous in a way because that's not the full person that you are ya , so err okay I think jerald your on to you


okay, uh uh, can can can I ask for a pause I'm so sorry cause there's someone at my door now, okay okay sorry ah


okay I'm so sorry , okay, okay so


okay so err continuing on where we were , ya so my argument is that people should still have the rights to remain anonymous on social media err there is currently already uh in in the platform is that there are people who use nicknames and pseudonyms


err and actually these are considered breaches in term of service lah so there is is known it's a known fact that on social media you should be who you are so you should actually have that social ethic to post things responsibly


and maintain your true identity ya so taking into account that kind of mindset that is existing already we know that people have abused that and if you attack other people online on social media because of course there is a


err bullying can happen any time any place so if you attack others then the masking of your identity is indeed cowardice lah ya so the thing is, if you reduce your identity it's either if you don't you've you've intending to creates a a atmosphere of you know domination or bullying or intimidation to others that that uh actually results in other people not wanting use to use the platform as well and that


discourages the sharing of opinions freely lah ya so if let's say we don't think about this minority of people right having the ability to be anonymous actually gives people the control to be creative to figure out their identity


and to explore on what they want to do so as you mention jerald that that's if people are authentic online they they show who they are right there's so much uh potential for social media to be used ya so, I think anonymity is good because it helps you figure out how you fit into the different context ya uh it's similar to what social media is being used right now


okay err, ya, okay


okay, okay , so uh I think I ya mentioned earlier I left out is that having if people do not have the rights to remain anonymous that might results in things like identity theft or


ya certain certain misuse of this information so that's why my argument is for people to have the rights to actually remain anonymous lah as in there are more benefits to that so uh for example is if you're celebrity sometimes you post it online and then


if people you are not able to remain anonymous people can actually use that identity and post on your behalf so uh they might they might, uh hijack your account like let's say for example or if let's say you are doing online donations sometimes people choose to remain anonymous because they don't want others to know oh I donated to this and this cause you see


so that's this is in a way uh freedom of uh choice as well people have the right to to you know be anonymous in the things that they do lah sometimes ya , so, uh I ya as what you mention is also


the the use of uh our identity in social media can be useful for businesses and advertisers especially so it's currently uh very uh huge industry of advertisement


uh on social media, so all this data that is being tracked actually uh in a way inevitably shapes our own behaviour, so where as we are using the social media we see advertisements that link us to this and this uh product and this and this site so instead of if if our data have not been tracked uh we actually would not like do certain things otherwise


ya they they the fact that this thing exist uh actually helps to shape our our behaviour so it's I feel that it's actually better if we remain anonymous lah so on this note uh I also note that social media does allow users to disallow the use of their information and for tracking purposes ya


so I think like having no no identity could be useful because like for this recording if we were faceless if we were not shown our identities and all we might actually be less stressful ya


so I think in a way anonymity has its benefits as well, ya , uh okay, that's all I have can I pass over to jerald , oh ya


, ya I agree I think there has to be a balance lah uh certain uh like certain things that you actually show uh to others and you you you keep it as authentic as possible but like for myself I actually set my settings for my pictures especially uh of my family my friends uh I prefer to keep it


custom like to only certain people ya so I don't I don't want my own life to be out on the uh public domain but at the same time I do want to share with people who I trust ya


, ya I completely agree also, ya, okay have twenty seconds ,


do we press stop


okay so my my uh topic is social media should not have rights to store or use personal information so I'm arguing for this movement


ya so basically uh the current situation I think is that, like we know PDPA singapore uses PDPA uh and there is a GDPR that is being used in europe so uh the law actually does protect people's anonymity online


and in public but however if the anonymity is abused to cause harm in others then the law should actually preserve a way to trace the identity of the culprit so I think this is quite important to note as we start, and I think another note is that we know the PDPA actually is a bit more lacks than the one in europe uh so singapore's data protection law actually only applies to private organizations and businesses so


government wise uh that is actually no not much ownership of control over the data that's uh being collected ya so I , uh, there are some, there are some err clauses actually that permit


businesses currently to use the data of individuals so if you check the PDPA document ya some of them can be quite big so things like for evaluative purpose or for that recovery or for artistic purpose sometimes


these kind of clauses are misread or misunderstood by the general public so that actually uh complicate some matters like for people who are not so media savvy they might not know what exactly is being used


on their on the online platform, ya so, , I think so basically we know that, uh based on recent events like last time there was the sing health data breach there are identity thefts there are uh misuse of data stalking or spam these are things that actually


ya make it uh more like more encourage more of the social media not to actually store our data ya err, ya so I think, okay so there are of course some people who benefit from not having their personal information online these are people like the journalist or even uh human rights activist err and some country they actually they're punished if they're


if they're speak out for certain views ya and then others actually just prevent their employer or the government or school from learning their identity okay okay sorry jerald


yes ya I agree think uh the opportunity for people to misuse this platform is very real uh so I again uh the issue of not uh only we cannot only focus on one population uh but rather the general public


so there is uh there're there're people who actually benefit from uh this so called anonymity on the social media not storing their personal information so this can actually help others like troubled maybe troubled teenagers or troubled individuals they


are facing emotional issues like what you mention in the first topic is that they can speak freely about the issue they are facing without anyone judging them so that anonymity actually helps them to to not be so restricted in terms of their own opinions


uh of course I mention earlier was the fact that the data can be breached if if it's if it's stored or used on the social media then another one is like uh the whistle the whistle blowers actually uh do and do benefit from


err social media not checking their personal information err and another is actually for news or media channels sometimes people can post material that leads in a in a particular story being broadcast


so if the person had their identity track I think sometimes people may may be framed from doing so uh so actually ya, not having their personal information stored is a good thing then, uh for other sites maybe like forums also we forums are do make up part of social media uh when people seek advice sometimes they prefer to do it anonymously so that creates a uh unbiased advice lah that they can get


uh so, ya I think there is always a balance of things that should be shared and things that shouldn't uh, yup and , I think we need to understand also that not all information is the same some information can be stored and used by social media but uh for example your generic name or gender or age uh but there are some more sensitive information that should not


such as your bank account sexual orientation religious beliefs these are things that they are more sensitive uh so I like to note ah that as a person you do change across various stages of your life so if a part of you is like log into social media


uh you opportunity for you to actually change or become a better person might be restricted because your past is all uh stored online you know you are not able to move on from there , okay jerald


okay so ya in final point is that , ya as you mention I completely agree that the social media is uh a bit like the this giant monster that you cannot stop once you enter you actually cannot stop it from consuming your whole life's worth of data and uh


details uh I also went as I was researching for this topic that we are supposed to talk I realize how much of our personal data is actually being tracked like even just browsing or you know accessing some some content online right you phone battery level might even be tracked you know like these are things that are so minute but


it appears that that company so called have a use for it and they would track it to to the death you know so uh I feel that all this is uh for people who are not suspecting they don't know I think it's better to not know and


uh in a sense you you know that you have you want to use social media uh there are certain risk you have to take and as to what kind of risk sometimes it's better not to know lah ya but uh I think as as what human rights are concerned is that we


we all should have the awareness I mean it's up to any individual to find out but we should actually have a right to withhold certain things about ourselves uh and still be able to use these so called public domains so again that's why I mention the


information that is stored uh certain things can be shared but the other more sensitive information I think it is the it is the company's uh mandate lah or they should actually tell the consumer what is being collected


and make it very clear so in in using certain websites uh you know that there is certain things that pop out like cookies accept cookies or else you cannot access the website so these are things that force the consumer to actually give over their personal details and they do not know how much of that


they're they're actually making public so I think if there was more emphasis on that that would be good that would be better for human risk in in as whole , and ya I think the different individuals actually have different comfort levels of sharing so uh some influencers they call them they actually don't mind putting themselves out there like uh they would freely share about everything


of their lives you know but others are actually more private we prefer not to have too much exposure ya so I think there should be the option for these people to choose lah, okay


ya , in the sense I think also some people they want to be immortal you know I think that that we have reached this point in society where you could be immortal you just need to be post everything to public and everything will be out there so even you pass away all your information continues to live on


ya I think uh that is in a way sci-fi lah


ya oh my that's really crazy like like I hope that only exists in china why we don't know now in Singapore's there's cameras everywhere , but I think thankfully like uh in singapore we still a bit of more freedom I guess to do things a certain way ya you might be judged but you will not be you will not be like put in jail just because you know you did certain things in a different way


that is true, ya, okay, !yay!


okay, so for me I disagree with how school should consider subjective and non academic factors for admission so previously Li-Ting said that, actually they are already reduced emphasis on academic results and also


how we should start considering factors like part time jobs character outstanding achievement, she also made a example on rich and poor comparison like how the poor is more perseverance in terms of


like the way they study then, also how it can reduce stress more freedom on what they want to do reduce emphasis on going for tuition ya so this is what you had stated


firstly , if we take in factors such as part time job character outstanding achievement it will only make admission into school more subjective so, rather than using grades alone so non academic factors like that


as compared to a standardize exams score makes things more subjective and we don't have a definite definition on what is a good, part time job what is a good character is for the teacher to analyze and if the teacher analyze right there might be


system maybe misused so, if is through an interview to analyze whether they have a good character or good personality they can be acting or like how the richer one can bribe their teachers we don't know and


also they can make donation to school so that they get higher chances of getting into a school ya, then it's unfair also for students who did not do any outstanding things in school although they , might have the potential as well but not noticed by the teacher so they didn't recommend the student and if this


it becomes a way for the student to enter a school the student might just bootlick their teacher or like act obedient in class so I don't think this is a very good, way of getting admitted into a school additionally the rich and poor comparison in the end


I think even if they shift the focus to non academic factors right they can still go for the rich can still go for workshops and everything on how to better present themselves or like how to, have more leadership skills that kind of thing so in a way they can still


look like they have more potential ya and they can also go to their parent's company to work part time job and get good testimonial from their , parents which is their employer so is not a very objective way of getting into a school as well regarding stress


I think if we shift the focus to non academic factors the student will be focusing on how to better , have a better CCA performance have a better character so they will be also stressed on how to perform well act good in school and like that might not be the real them as well then


tuition wise, like I said the workshop teacher the parents will still ask them to go for things on how to make them a better person so that they get through the interview and go to a good school and there are also


how PSLE has many changes now so that they reduce stress for students and have less emphasize on result so , they won't be so the students won't be so stressed about getting into a good secondary school ya then


future work, life uh for future work life you said that it's important to have experience and solve problems but I think before that we need to have the basic skills as well if you do not do well


in like learning English or Math, then it's very hard for you to take up the role you are going to work in the job ya so for me I have to say that, subjective uh non academic factors are very subjective so it's better to use a standardize exam to know where a student stand in school so


a score of eighty will show that you are competent in this skill and it will show that you can you have the necessary skill to take on the job that, require this amount of skill lah then


lastly I want to say that, if a student get into a school through their character and everything, they might not be able to cope in that good school as well maybe their studies is not as good as those who entered a school with the targeted score then they


will even be very stressed because they have to compete with students who are better than them and, ya with they might not be able to graduate with them as well or they may have to retain because they cannot follow up what they're learning in that school so it may not be a good thing as well


that's it thank you


okay to rebut on the


how UK students can study and practice then they can cope and follow up but at the same time they also have to maintain their CCA like maybe if they get in trhough good character or good CCA they have to maintain their CCA, they have to maintain their good character and they have to study and they have to practice


so that's a lot of things that they have to do at once and maybe if you are talking about secondary school student they are studying nine, eight subjects that's a lot of things that they have to cope , which I think there's still stress in it then for bowling CCA then do what they love


if that's the case right they might as well enter a sport CCA a sports school instead of a, a school that study right so that they don't have to focus on academic results anymore so ya


as for the, bill gates example I think


they can, okay these are the very few examples lah that they do better without going to a school uh without having to study until a Uni or something they stop at college right so, but for normal students who


might not have the potential or like the entrepreneur skills like them , they still have to go through a normal route of getting a degree and everything then, if they get to a uni through their non academic factors is the same thing they might not be able to cope


ya that's it


okay so to summarize as well uh for my point


we should still maintain a good I mean we should still, focus more on grades instead of non academic, factors to maintain the objectivity and fairness of admissions so that when we know where a student stand when they enter a school and we know how


well they can cope with, what we give them in school so this system will, ensure that no one can misuse it by kind of like


faking their way through the admissions criteria and, ya, that's it thank you


, uh also for your the example you give about how your school takes in student through an interview , to know if they have the potential at the same time you have to look at the dropout rate of a uni as well a lot of people cannot cope


because of their financial problem and everything they have to do, they have to stop their school for a while I did have a few people I know who, decided to dropout of uni because of the stress they get as well as how uh financially they cannot cope so they have to stop


schooling to focus on other things before they get back to school so if you say you want to look at a person through their other factors like experience and everything I think, you also have to see whether what we give them on their uh they can take up that much on their plate or not ya


okay thank you Li-Ting so , following what Li-Ting said she agreed with how chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue she said is to retain the culture


and learning about the history gives her a sense of identity additionally she also mentioned how the indians in singapore get to choose they get to learn hindi tamil or, a different language and learning, dialects also help them with communication and lastly


they might excel in the dialect that they choose to learn as a mother tongue so for my point I think that chinese dialect should not be offered as a mother tongue language in singapore because, first uh wait to rebut her first


if you want to retain the culture you want to have a sense of belonging you want to communicate with your grandparents you can actually do all these things voluntarily instead of through school , like how you said only left with you and your brother who do not know how to speak that language sorry


you guys can actually take initiative to learn it from your parents learn from your grandparents so that you guys can do not find any difficulties from communicating with them the next time you visit them , and for how indians get to choose according to what I read online is because for india they actually have different


people cities using different indian language, ya but for china, they mostly use mandarin which is the reason why singapore focuses on using mandarin as our main mother tongue so that we can better communicate with our china clients


so , lastly we uh talking about the freedom on choosing what they want to learn and some students might excel in hokkien so uh what I think is that, currently singaporeans more and more singaporeans are english educated so I don't think


putting dialects as a mother tongue will encourage them to actually focus more on the second language I think a lot of people focuses on english because , main that's the language most people use to communicate that's why they only


put the emphasis on one language without learning, the second language properly ya okay so , moving on to my point I think that chinese dialects should not be offered as a mother tongue language because there are many different dialects like teochew hokkien cantonese a lot so


I think we should just focus on one because if all the dialects are offered, then all those that learn cantonese choose to learn cantonese will not be able to understand those that choose to learn hokkien then there might be, uh communication barrier as well so


I think is good that we chose mandarin as a common language for all the chinese to learn so that we can all the chinese can understand each other and it will not make, communication difficult at the same time it will also foster


unity like we will feel more bonded everyone speaking the same thing instead of like a hokkien speaking to someone , who is a cantonese and they might not be able to understand one another and in fact


people might start using the language they learn to attack another person thinking that they might not be able to understand what I am saying so it's not, a very good thing as well I think, dialect should be learnt voluntarily


instead of making it a compulsory language that I mean instead of substituting , mandarin in school so it can be offered as a third language for those who wish to learn and in fact in nineteen seventy nine government has already


tried to overcome the challenges of having many dialects by launching this speak mandarin campaign to promote mandarin as a common language among the chinese singaporeans so they actually had this objective, is to simplify the language environment which is what we want to achieve so that


we don't have too many people speaking different chinese language that confuses one another and then we also can improve communication since everyone are speaking the same common language, ya so this will be able to help one another understand each other better


thank you


okay thank you


so for the using language to argue thing I would want to say this is the reason why we want to reduce how different, like reduce the different dialects


so we can reduce such cases from happening, ya then if we actually, try to uh the second point about how we can offer like a choice to choose more opportunities I'm trying to say in that case


the other if you choose another language right you actually missing out on learning mandarin so if you choose to learn hokkien you can't learn mandarin then , it also doesn't help when you communicate with someone who learn mandarin so


we want people to be bilingual meaning we can , speak chinese we can speak english so that's why we offer a mother tongue language for students to take up but if you say we don't have to focus on mother tongue we can just use english at the end of the day then


that's not the point of why schools offer mother tongue language because we want people to be able to speak more than one language and, ya what's what's, ya ya ya


okay so, for you said how learning different dialect does not prevent us from eh, were still allow us to remain as one nation right but actually if you look at how


we are how singapore is now we are actually there's still underlying cases of how the chinese stay with the chinese the malay stay with the malay the, indians stay with the indians so if


there are already such a case and we introduce dialect in we will have like the hokkien stay with the hokkien the cantonese stay with the cantonese , the teochew stay with teochew the malay stay with malay the indians stay with the indians then there'll be more groups more different groups of people and I think it will only cause


us to uh is harder for us to foster a bond between one another that's how I feel because it will be like uh maybe, maybe people will be like uh she learn cantonese I she's a cantonese I'm a hokkien then they will feel we are different I have my own sense of identity you have your own sense of identity so ya that's why


I feel that we should all stay with one language so that we all have the same sense of identity then, additionally uh also want to emphasize how


english and mandarin are actually the languages that we are relying on a lot now for a living like people we communicate with for, in the economy basically china who it which is rising very fast is mandarin and america is english so I think more emphasis on these two


language would be much more, useful for us economically as well ya


okay thank you Li-Ting


so what Li-Ting mentioned is that she agreed with how learning is best done outside the classroom which is using places other than the school to learn so it also prep, the students about life beyond school where they can actually learn soft skills


such as like critical thinking skills problem solving skills et cetera and also how example given was art class which is easier for them to visualise , and ya then lastly she mentioned about, the research done in twenty sixteen about how student's grades and confidence increase because they stopped staying in class to study and


ya so firstly I think that, learning outside the classroom I disagree that it is, learning is best outside the classroom but I, think once in a while will be good but it also depends on the subject as well because if learning outside the classroom is


good then why are majority of the classes still held in the classroom and about the soft skills that you get, when you learn outside the classroom I think learning in class can also get such soft skills like for example working on a project with your group members you also have to learn how to communicate one another you learn teamwork


and if there are challenges where your group cannot settle you also learn problem solving skills and critical thinking skills as well so these are things that can still be held in a classroom and these are skills that you can still gain in a classroom , and for art class


I agree with how you can visualize things better but then also if you were to bring you have to take note of how if you bring students out for, an art class or for other classes you the traveling time is


there will be a traveling time so you are wasting time on traveling in when you can actually spend more time on learning as well then you also have to get, parent's permission and also safety issue when you bring students out right err there are a lot of things that the teachers have to look out for like there might be


a lot of cars or something that, they have to be careful of so if you were to stay in school I think the student is much more protected, then lastly about how research shows that greats and confidence level of students increases because of how they actually went out I think


err a teacher can also try to make it more engaging err make a lesson more engaging in class so they can actually have different activities which challenges a students , critical thinking skills so they they learn how to think out of the box and


when they do well in such an activity I'm sure that their confidence level will increase as well and also if a teacher can be more encouraging in class I think their, they will student will be more confident they will their grades will increase as well if a teacher teach back


then, moving on to my point about how learning is not, good how I disagree with how learning is best outside the classroom I think when you learn outside the classroom it's harder for the teacher to get the attention of the student


because they're exposed to so much more distractions and especially since student's attention span is quite short, I think is good that they stay in the classroom so that the teacher can get at least the first few, the first ten to twenty minutes of the attention span of the students to transfer as much knowledge to them as possible


and also if they were to go out in such an open space it's very hard for the teacher to supervise all their students as well , if their students have a question the teacher might not be able to know , like like because everyone is so separated in that open space the teacher might not be able to know which student need help which student don't need then


learning the class provide students a positive environment as well because , the weather because if you were to go out right the weather might be a bit hot for the student then their attire like the uniform is so tight as well it


can cause them to feel very uncomfortable when they are outside and also there might be a lot of different noises like people talking people walking around it might also distract them, ya so when they lose focus it attacks their productivity as well and about how we are trying uh singapore is trying to reduce the school hours for students I think


is best that we don't spend so much time traveling out and also , just let them focus in class so that they're productive within that one hour in class then they can leave off school earlier and ya then


additionally, , additionally they students have to sit for exam, in the uh like the A-level exam PSLE O-level exam they have to sit down for a long time so I think asking them to sit down in class will help them as well so that they are used to the


environment the atmosphere of sitting in class and when they're seated in class with their friends they can communicate easier with them side by side they can ask questions, when they do not understand and they also can solve, err challenging activity together with their friends side by side


ya thank you


okay about the business law lecture I would like to say because ya I there's a lot of words that, for a business law lecture so


I think staying in class will help them better, understand because they are more focus if they were to go out and read maybe they read first few lines then they look at the people, walking pass and then they read next few lines they forget what the first few lines are already but ya and about how the teacher can


wait then about the cases I think the teacher can also do it in class where they act out the scenario , and I think as a teacher act out the scenario it will help the student a lot in learning as well because it makes the whole uh session more engaging ya I think a lot of things can


instead of relying on learning outside a teacher can actually do a lot of things that makes it engaging instead of having to leave the classroom which makes , it not safe as well ya and also time wasted when they leave the class then


about the attention span that I mentioned there are also breaks given for the student to leave the class so I think once they, had their break they will be able to focus again and will be able to absorb I don't think they will not want to absorb for the next two and a half hours because after all they're in school to study so ya


and about how they will be excited to go out to learn I think , because a students stay in class most of the time, then if one day you say you want to bring them out they will be excited to go out and play instead of go out to learn so I think they will cherish the time to go out and have fun


and spend that one hour maybe having fun with their friends instead of gaining new knowledge outside ya


okay rebutting about the going to basketball court to learn I think weather plays a part also if it's too hot I don't think


and humid a person might find it hard to focus and listen to the teacher as well then, in in instead in the classroom it provides a comfortable setting and environment for the student and , like it's cooling the atmosphere is good they're comfortable in their seats so I think it helps them a lot with their productivity and learning in class


err for the hands on experience since we already have the internet and visualizer I think they can actually watch it, online so they do not have to , travel down to look at it hands on and experience it hands on and


I think if they were to go down to the factory itself they have to trouble the people at the factory as well, ya


okay


okay let's start okay so the topic for our debate is schools should consider subjective and non academic factors for admission and for me I think that this statement is true


so actually in twenty sixteen right MOE has actually reduce the emphasis of uh academic score and there is also like program such as the direct school admission which also helps uh those, err students that didn't really score well at but excel in CCA to enter into their err secondary school or poly


okay so err for my point is I think that we should consider subjective factors like part time employment performance and also other outstanding achievement , for the admission to schools lah, okay so actually err when I do some research right I saw that a very interesting example is like comparing two student one is like


which is born in a very rich family and they have like money for them to go for tuition and the PSLE score is like around two hundred and fifty but another student is like born in a not, so like born in a poor family but uh therefore they need to go for part time job but still managed to get like two hundred and forty nine for their PSLE score


so uh just by looking at these two uh marks right there's only like a difference of one points but for this like currents, criteria right obviously most of the school will, uh take the student that score higher


which is the two hundred and fifty marks however if you look at this way right the student who like sacrifice their time to go for part time jobs and like to support their family they might need, might score like a little bit lower than the


people from the rich family but actually they're also like a well rounder as they have earn the experience from work and , err from work therefore I feel that they should , consider those non academic and subjective factors for school admission


the reason why I think so is because firstly , if you include like the non academic factors in admission this will also help to reduce the emphasis on academic alone it will helps the students to reduce the stress from exam


as you can see like from the past few years there are students who like committed suicide due to the stress given from exams and their parent's expectation I think right if you , some students might not score well in their academic


level but they might excel in other uh perspective such as their character and other non academic ~demic aspect so I think right we shouldn't give too much stress on, to focus on the academic only K so secondly is I feel that


err if the school can consider subjective and non academic factors for admission, they the students will also have more freedom and they also can choose what they want to learn , and study instead of just like going to


tuition which is like forced by their family members which also give them a lot a lot of stress and unable to make their own decision alone, K so I also saw like some example is like almost seventy percent of the parents think that tuition is like a necessity for their children because err the


Singapore is like very , focus on the academic level more than, any other country therefore like students will be forced by their family member to go for tuition which maybe sometimes they do not want to K


so lastly I think right right schooling is like to prepare you from your future work life , where academic will only play a small part in helping you to enter into the job I think like the most important factors for you to secure and stay in the job is like working experience and the way that you can solve like


problems and you face them therefore I feel that, it is more important I mean academic itself is important in one way but like those non academic aspects are also important, therefore to conclude this I will for my point of view is I think that school should have those subjective and non academic


criteria for admission, maybe Hao-Jie you want to state your point


okay so right err just to err rebut on what you mentioned that, err if the school shift the focus on building their characters and joining uh they will might also have like stress from CCA right this point I think right


uh even though if they really shift their focus to like, excelling in CCA all these stuff right uh they might be doing the things they like for example joining like maybe you like bowling you will join the bowling CCA and you can also excel in that CCA


so I think that it doesn't really mean that if you want to, shift focus on like other non academic criteria right you might be more stress and, ya and for another point is right uh you mentioned that err


those students like who enter the, for example their their school through like characteristic and their, maybe err non academic aspects right they might unable to cope and follow like graduate with their peers right


their other friends I think right for this point, is like I do agree that if they, maybe might not be able to catch up with some of the fellows students but I think as long as if they're able to like


uh give more time to like study and practice I believe that they're able to cope with all these matter , ya that's the point that I want to rebate on that and also


just like for example right , err actually I mean that for uh the criteria for entering the school right , the academic factors might not be that important is because there are also many many few successful example that


they might not excel in school but they excel in their future work life for example like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates all these they actually left their, college which means that they might not be able to really score well in their academic but they might also uh succeed in their


future life ya that's all


okay


so right just to summarize my point right actually I feel I think that school the reason why I think like the statement our , topic that we are discussing on is like schools should consider subjective and non academic factors for admission so I think for those I think it is


uh possible for them to consider but it doesn't really mean that you need really need to do, you will do bad in your for your academic it might be just like a supporting point for you to, uh which shows that you are excel in the specific like yup


like you are a all rounder like for example like those for my Uni ah there are a lot of like students who like, excel both in their academic and also they they also take up part time job and also go for their CCA and also


I mean like err if, I think for school right just for academic itself it might not really show that how good the person is like maybe the student might be very good in for their, they will score all A's for their


results lah but in the end maybe when they go for their work life they might not, be able to cope like maybe when they face problem right they do not have the like experience to like how to solve the problem itself however if like


for students that maybe for example they have like part time job or when they're studying uh they might, uh face all the problems that they have and they will have more experience to solve if


for their future life so I feel that err this kind of uh non academic uh factors are just like a supporting factor to make the person a more well, I mean a all rounder rather than just like


only good in academic itself ya that's all


okay, do I still need to say anything


okay, so I think right for your point is like they cannot really cope with what like their students right


their I mean their classmates for this point maybe I would like to add on is like err I think, because my calculus, lecturer got say before right practice make perfect I think right as long as they are willing to spend time to


practice


okay so for the second topic we are going to debate on is chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language so for this err topic right


for me is I agreed with this statement so actually chinese in singapore chinese students are required to learn mandarin as their mother tongue in school however right for those, indian student they can actually choose their different language such as hindi and other than like


err their indian language which is tamil in singapore so for me right firstly I think that dialects are important for retaining our culture and traditions in singapore, K so actually if you notice right


with these dialects right it actually will makes you feel like, uh you have a sense of identity and uh a sense of belonging, this makes you like unique because like every different chinese


people will have different dialects such as like hokkien cantonese and et cetera so actually this will also help you to get in touch with your , with the people with the same culture and dialect with you , therefore right I think right err this


and also these dialects also err, is also the history from from your past and if you, get to learn all the all of these right you will know that how all these dialects come from and you will know that err


how is your ancestor from the past like which language they speak and this give you a sense of identity so secondly is by learning this, dialect officially err this also can help you to communicate with better with between different generation so for example for me right my grandparents


always speak hokkien and they rarely speak mandarin so, every time when I go back to visit them during chinese new year , it actually makes me like very difficult to communicate with them because like when they gather around like all the relative right they will start to speak hokkien which uh I I


never learn before therefore uh I will just sit there while listening to them while without knowing, whatever they say and I'm not able to join in their conversation this will makes me feel like err left out with them because err my grandparents are


from malaysia where like most of them will have their own dialects and, obviously like most of them will know how to speak their hokkien so I think for my family itself right


uh only me and my brother do not know how to speak the dialect so every time I won't have a sense of belonging when I visit, err them therefore I feel that singapore can actually err make


chinese dialect point like should be offered as a mother tongue language in singapore the, err and thirdly I feel that right err it should be offered as a mother tongue language is that err chinese


chinese student can actually choose like whichever language they prefer maybe they might not be very good in, learning chinese but they might excel in other chinese dialect such as hokkien or cantonese therefore this will give them a wider


place to develop their potential ya , so in conclusion I think that chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language in singapore


okay that's all K so just to rebut your point right, err you mention one of your point is like you mentioned that err if they learn like, other chinese dialect they might attack each other and like say the language to scold each other and you might not understand for this point right err


uh just like what you say ah singapore is the first language is english so they are still of course they are still able to communicate with each other through english and for the points right, uh if you said it this way right what about those like who learn malay and indian they are still able to


you're I mean for a chinese itself right you might not be able to understand what they say which is like what singapore is right now like for example the malay friend might say something bad , err about you and you you're unable to, know what they’re saying so I feel like this point uh for chinese dialect to be


err be one of the mother tongue language it doesn't really affect whether they might say something that you don’t understand or not, is as long as the person want to scold you right err it might be like


even though if you do not have chinese dialect now err those who speak malay and indian will also like, be able to scold you and you you're unable to understand so this is my point so so another point is right, actually I don't uh agree with your point that it the chinese dialect should be like a third language for this point is


it might not be compulsory lah I I understand that not everybody is in also interested in learning chinese, dialect what I think is right they can be also be included sorry they should also be


uh offered as a mother tongue language is like for those student who want to learn hokkien or cantonese all these right they can choose to learn all these however for some students who still , only want to learn mandarin they also can choose


just to learn mandarin actually it doesn’t really like affect your choices it's just like , uh it just like open up more opportunity and more choices for you to select I feel that it doesn’t really will like affect how you


how the chinese people communicate right now as they’re still able to communicate through english, ya that that's all


okay, that's all okay just like because err I feel that even though they have like separate, dialect groups right it doesn’t really prevent singapore to be like one people one nation one singapore because right err actually we are already


different like we have different race different religion , for singapore itself it doesn’t really show that we are like err , it doesn’t really shows that we are not one nation with those chinese singaporean I mean chinese indian and malay we are still like part of singaporean therefore I feel that it doesn’t really make us like


separated even though if they learn like different language so this point is also similar to like for the chinese, err mandarin and hokkien or cantonese right I feel that even if they're different


err you are still able to be like come together as like a country I feel so it doesn’t really, uh I feel that it doesn’t really affect for singaporeans to be as one they're still able to communicate for the point you say right err uh they


the school wanted them to learn mandarin only is because they are able to communicate the chinese people are able to communicate using mandarin right, err actually somehow I feel that is not really err how I say that


it might it might be best if all the chinese people know mandarin err however right if you see right for some of the , people if they're able to learn like hokkien and cantonese all these right


err for my point is I feel that they are able to be more connected together because like err you will other than like, what I mention just now is like you might be more feel more connected with your family members and also your grandparents who doesn't does not know mandarin


other than this point right I feel that they can also helps you to understand yourself better like for example other people will ask you like err what, language you know right some people will say that they know cantonese and hokkien all these however eh


err if they ask you back right you only say that you only know chinese and english it shows that you are not so , you're not so I mean it shows that you're not able to communicate


well with other people who eh wait sorry just to, actually for my point is like err , I feel that if you learn uh those dialects right you're able to feel more united and connected with the group of people ya that's the point I want to say


ya, okay so somehow actually I agree with like, what singapore is right now is like the chinese will stay with the chinese malay will stay with the malay for this state right actually the I think the government is


uh trying to resolve this problem therefore , I think from the past right they actually know that, this might happen that's therefore they will introduce like the language english so that everybody will be able to communicate with each other


for what I think right those mandarin I mean the chinese language right is for you to be like more err, be able to communicate with your race or culture all these right somehow I agree that if err all these like dialects can be a


third language I feel that err if they if you are interested in learning it you can you can go and opt for this subject but, I don't agree that like chinese is also a important part in singapore because uh we are able to communicate with each other like for singapore itself right


err I think most people like the even the elderly might know how to speak chinese but however for some people , they might only be a minority that don't know how to know how to speak chinese but actually I saw before like the when they ask I saw like a old people who ask for direction but they can only speak cantonese or


but I I don't understand what they're saying so I can only say like sorry I don't know okay that's all


they might only be a minority that don't know how to know how to speak Chinese but actually I saw before I the when they ask, so for the last topic is right learning is best outside of class for me is I do agree with this statement , just to give you a more in depth explanation learning outside of classroom is to use places other than school for teaching and learning this will also like get


children and young people out and about and provide them with challenges, challenges and like more exciting experience to help them to learn better, so actually firstly I feel that learning outside of class prepare students for life beyond school for example uh in today's society right there are higher expectation and demand for


those like fresh graduates that they might, they might need to have more self awareness and more specific skills so one of the easiest way to help them advance, and be have more experience in this kind of like to gain more skills is to learn outside of classroom so


secondly is I feel that right, it can also encourage students to engage a broader range of soft skills such as like teamwork leadership and et cetera for example is right when you bring a group


a group of students out for, maybe a art class you will bring them out to look at the object itself and draw it itself it will be I think it will, make them err it will be better for them in other than just referring to a photo to draw a leaf or something err


by comparing it with like you you bring them out to like outside and take a look the trees I think it might benefit them better, so err I feel that right, for students who only study in classroom it does not really encourage them to develop like critical thinking and problem solving and decision making skills


however in this right err if you bring them out, outside of class to learn it can also it can help them to build up these soft skills which are also important for their future work life


K so actually uh I did a research right in twenty sixteen the school travel forum, actually conducted a independent research study to find out how school chips and learning outside of class impact on the student itself and they actually find out that sixty percent of the


teacher notice that the student's grade and uh confidence level increase by learning outside of class other than just staying , in class and listening to whatever the teacher say and looking at the textbook all days


ya therefore I feel that learning outside of classroom is the best way for the students to learn better


okay , so just to rebut on your point right you said that


is very hard to get the attention for the students that if you travel outside right however right err, for example you go for like a business law lecture , I think you know I mean for students you know that the notes is like full of words like you can't really read it right it it will it will get bored that you read it however right


err if you bring them out and explain to them like maybe some of the cases I feel that they will, be more interested in listening to you rather than just sitting in the classroom and looking at the slides and reading all the very very long notes


err however I do agree with you that like err learning, outside of class can be only don't really need to be like , err it can be once in a while lah I feel , is right that it should it can be once in a while I feel that is better for them to learn better


for example for one semester right maybe there are like a few maybe five weeks of lesson right you you might only choose one week to bring them out for the rest of the, breaks like four four of the weeks they will stay in the classroom to learn


like just like what you say they can also get used to sitting down for like PSLE and O-level I mean err it is like, important for them to important for them to get used to sitting in the classroom however I for my point is right I feel that learning outside of class our topic is like


err learning is best outside of classroom it don't I feel it don't really need to be like every lesson it will can only be like , maybe one of the lesson then you will see the students will be very excited to go out of the classroom rather than just sitting in the boring lecturer something like that


K so actually you mentioned other than this you mentioned that err , the you say that if they sit in the classroom they can only focus for maybe ten to thirty minute right I mean err maybe if


maybe for like secondary school and primary school they will only need to study for like one hour so for if you take this as example they will base like maybe err, other of the forty forty minutes they will be like just starring at the teacher without unable to listen to what they actually is teaching however if you change to like


and when they go out and they go to uni right the, the classroom the I mean every class is like three hours so , do you mean that right err maybe if they only listen to a teacher for ten to thirty minutes then for the other two hour and forty minutes they will just like sit there and unable to absorb what the teacher teach then


so so for my point is right err, for our topic is like learning outside of class is best right the I think the best word is like the part where we need to discuss about I feel that it


best doesn't mean that you need to needs to be like every single lesson it can only be like one lesson which I feel that err if one of the lesson if they go out to go outside of the classroom to learn right they will, feel excited and cherish the chance more and also be more focus and listen to what the teacher is going to explain about the


the topic ya that's all


so just to rebut on the point that you say


like if you they travel out is like time wasting right , err for this right I feel that it don't doesn't really need to be very far away maybe it like just five minute walk outside of the school they might feel like, uh excited itself they are able to maybe you just ask them to go out


outside uh maybe to the field maybe to the basketball court and they will just sit there and when the teacher, talk about like the lession right I think the students, will still be willing to listen to what the teaching is saying and for the part you said right they will like to go if they


have lesson outside of class it will go outside to play rather than listen to what the teacher say right I feel like, somehow err is one of the point that why I think why most of the class are not held outside


because they won't have the mood to study and whatsoever however right I feel that, err just to go back to my point right is like I feel that, it it is also like a best way to, learn in like once in a while they'll they will be able to they they will still be able to focus on like what they are


err learning like for example they can go outside to the basketball court and act out the scene I feel that is it will makes the students, it will be more enjoyable rather than just sitting in the classroom and the teacher act out in the scene


ah I mean act out the scene I feel that it's more interesting for them to go out to have a more to have a look at the outside and, uh also I I did mention just now it's like


if they go out right they will have like hands on experience maybe uh for example they will go it it might be a little bit far lah for for example they go to, a factory to see how they manufacture the products right


feel a bit I feel it will be better for them to learn by looking at it, themselves and also try how to manufacture the products right rather than they just sitting sit in the classroom to watch the videos on how milks are produce something like that


ya that's why for my point of view right I feel it's, think that like uh learning outside of class is the best way ya


okay, so for me right I went through like internship when I go for like uh that time I went for internship for my accounting job when it when I reach there right I feel that like whatever I Iearned is just like a


is just a minority part for what it is for like the work life lah, I feel that err I get all those experience while like doing all the transaction everyday so I get used to it and I understand how they work in the work life


time so I feel that err, it will be better if they get like hands on experience rather than just stay in the classroom to learn it might, take some like it might be time consuming but I feel that it actually helps them to have a better understanding on the how it works when they go out to work in the future


okay so err my stand is err sex work should be legal for err all countries then basically my points for


err why sex work should be legal is because like in today's society there is always constant demand for sex work and since there is a constant constant demand if you criminalise sex work it disallows sexual violence victims to seek justice appropriately, and lastly because we are in a increasingly err


progressive society and laws could be changed easily like how we see in the black lives matter uh black lives matter protest in america right now , err lives err laws can be changed easily to fit into today's context and abandon err traditional laws that does not


does not err seem progressive enough for today's context, ya so these are basically my three points and err okay so I will start off with my first point first why err, about how there's constant demand for sex work so in today's context and in today's like economic situation err there's


always the context of err demand and supply so when there is a demand err , supply needs to be given to fulfil the demand so this is why jeff bezos and and jeff bezos created amazon and how the industry become so lucrative right now because like there's a lot of demand for it


so err in twenty fourteen the sex work industries err worth about an estimate of two hundred and ninety million the how much the sex industry is, worth is directly related to how people err, how people demand err sex work and how people demand different form of sex err sex business in today's world such as pornographic material such as massage palour err


prostitution but in the legal sense ya so, in today's world where there's alternative options of sex work such as creating onlyfans' account and ya during the circuit breaker period and during the quarantine period onlyfans' account onlyfans'


saw a surge in their network due to a larger err influx of people err opting for sex opting for sex work and sex err relief during this period so, in today's world the sex industry is estimated to be worth much more and since that there's a constant demand for sex work we should not put down sex work and


decriminalise sex work and prevent the people who are offering sex work from err getting err legal and getting protection for what they're doing because what they're doing is as, as simple and as equal as people from other industry providing a same err same form of service for for their


for people who demand it and since that we are the one who demand sex work we should not criminalise or shame people who, want sex work and hence sex work should be legal to protect people who give it and also offer err to and also there's a supply for the demand we can't really have yet


okay I'm done ya


okay so uh summarising what you say is mostly because like sex work, sex work there's a lot of willingness that goes into sex workers or err seeing whether they are willing to engage in sex work or not and because if you legalize sex work the the likelihood of sex crimes would rise


and hence going back to my previous topic of demand you you said that because there's demand you cannot fully comprehend the ethical ethical aspect of it and to see whether, the people who wants it are really willing to give it


however I would like to like highlight the topic of the debate which is sex work so basically the women who are engaged in the sex work err taking out the, doing we are looking at the broader context of people who are engaging in sex work means they're fully they fully comprehend that


they are doing a occupation just like all doctors police all these they're offering a service just like , is offering the service of sex to people who need it just like how hotel err receptionist uh offer the service to bring the bring the, err customers to the room so it's a part of the work so if we take out of the part where whether they are willing or not willing to do it


which I will address later if you, actually legalise sex work it offers protection to the women who suffer abusive err abusive, uh abusive trials doing sex work such as you say there's sex trafficking and there's like, okay in south africa actually women are err oftenly uh put down during sex work where they where theft ah and armed robbery happened when they are engaging in the sex work but they are unable to seek justice for themself for


because their work is illegal and they are unable to go to the police about it and hence in the rural part of south, africa a lot of women are suffering in silence because uh, drawing right back to the fact that their work is not legal in the first place and hence if you go back to the point where you say that err women are being abused during the sex work and they are not willing to do so


if legalising sex work provides them with a safer environment to carry out their work in the justified manner if we put it, in today's context we draw it to any other occupation that are legal such as being a doctor if, being a doctor is being a doctor or being a police if it's not legal they are unable to seek protection where they where they needed in their err day to day where they make mistakes and all these


and hence decriminalise uh criminalising sex work put sex workers at risk of violence and unnecessary abuse and also you mention that during sex err, instances of sex trafficking for sex trafficking right if you criminalize sex work they're they are able


they're unable to track and err know who are, who are in the sex work industry because if you, if you legalise it they need to submit legal documents to the state and saying what is their job scope and what is it like so the state will have a document of


what exactly is their job scope and what what kind of business do they engage in what kind of they lines out their occupation and the state and the law enforcement would have a greater idea of, what kind of work they are engaging in to better provide them support and hence decriminalising sex work just allows all these women and men to go under the shadow and go under the cover and unable to seek justice for all the crime they they have went through


and hence actually err legalizing sex works allows all the all the people all the women and men to, be able to seek justice for yourself okay I'm done


criminalizing sex work disallows sexual violence victims to seek justice so when they are face uh with injustice during their work they cannot seek justice for it


okay so, err linking to what you said just now basically, you mention that err we should err err criminalize sex work to curb the demand for it and uh because when there's no demand there's lesser likelihood that


sexual violence and this kind of thing err sexual violence and sex trafficking and all this kind of bad, err things associated with sex work would happen and also the point back about sex trafficking where handing in legal document does not guarantee sex trafficking victims from


guaranteeing protection from this kind of crimes and hence I would like to address the first point first that, I feel like there's always going to be demand for sex work because , for the simple fact that sex sells err all across hollywood we are taught that provocatively dressed women err around the streets or in the magazines we're all taught to dress up to


where everyone even though it's a human nature to demand for sex and, to want sex and hence the sex industry is constantly booming the pornographic industry is worth a lot and because sex work also includes pornography and also includes uh trading of photos and


all this err sex work that happen in our technology technologically advanced world, and hence there's always going to be constant demand of sex work or else it would not explain the boom that the pornographic industry have and the vast amount of, photos and videos and all the problems that associated with sex work such as deep fakes account err happening and such as sex trafficking all these and it's a known risk but however


the demand is not going to stop anytime soon especially due to our technology advanced world, and hence the only way to to, to err better err better, treat the issue of sex work it's not to criminalise it and curb the demand for it because people would only find underground methods to to justify their way of demanding sex work the only way to


conduct sex work is to provide a safe environment through legalizing it and giving a specific err specific trial and specific ways that, we should conduct sex work and this would only allow the people to be in a safer environment, and hence I feel like since that the demand is constantly going to be there the way to treat sex work is not to


err push it down and decriminalise it but to legalise it to provide a safe guideline for what people should do, okay and then secondly err linking back to the sex trafficking point the sex trafficking point says that err we should


we should sex trafficking always happens because like the women for the women who are getting traded into the sex work and all these they do not have err, choice and if you legalize it they do have a choice to do all this kind of thing but I would like to say that for sex trafficking the women are not the one involved the


people who are conducted in this kind of bad practice bad practices are oftenly the people who engage in it which means all the all the hire outs all the people who sell all the, like jeffrey epstein who is involved in child sex trafficking this kind of thing so I believe that


for women for in sex work in general if it's a work and not relating to the point of sex trafficking which is another point in itself of, how the bad things would happen if you talking about work in itself that ethical work legalising sex work would only bring more benefit to the sex workers as they get state protection of their work which is recognised and


justified in the society and on my last point I feel like legalising sex work can err decrease the amount of shame brought to the sex worker since it's a ethical job in itself, we should not shame sex worker for providing a service that people constantly demand legalising it shows that the people stand behind them in what they should do and


in what they do and showing appreciation for them in the society and hence I feel like this is why sex work should be legalised


err the, err my last point is about how err legalising sex work allows people to gain more respect for these sex workers and and recognize what they should do so they would not like reduce the sexual violence crimes towards them


err it will like allows them to gain more respect for sex worker as them they are doing a legitimate work in society and not like looking at them as they are something lesser which reduce crimes towards that


okay cut oh I respond


okay so err reiterating your point you you saying that because that charity work has a lot of benefits associated into it everyone should , err engage in charity work to bring a better future and since people are not self regulated enough to


conduct charity work on their self the government should step in to like , and make uh charity work compulsory to err for the wider societal good, okay so err responding to your point I would like to say that ya charity work is very important and err there is a lack of supply of charity work and a lot of people don't want to do charity work that is correct but


if we if we make charity work compulsory which this also means that people who are in need of charity work have to do charity work themself and this would this may allow them to feel like there is like ya, they are unable to actually provide the adequate charity work that the recipient needs and they are unable to be


unable to provide it themself to which causes the charity work to lose meaning and adds unnecessary pressure on the recipient itself, (ppc) okay so and your point that err charity work have have a wide societal good and had wide societal good and hence the government should uh make it compulsory I'd like to say that


even though it have a wide societal good it may not, the meaning of charity work may be lost and the recipient of the charity work may not want to accept, people who people who donate to them that have don't have err err good intention and I would like to cite an example that rapper sixnine who is err who is charged in court for alleged


err child pedophile and err pedophile tendencies tried to donate to a child service err, about a million dollar in amount but they he was rejected by the child service citing that they do not accept donations from anyone who's belief do not who do not align themself in the


whose belief does not align with their values in the child service programme, and hence charity work should be only should only be done when the doer genuinely believes in a cause and wants to make a difference or else the charity work like how you said would only be


err use will only be conducted to make the doer feel better about themselves and it does not actually solve a real difference to society which charity work should actually, which is the end goal of charity work ultimately to make society better and to make err everyone feel err to advocate for a brighter future and hence charity work should be only should only be done to


(ppc) by those who genuinely have a good interest and heart and genuinely wants to err genuine wants contribute to the cause or else charity would only be one off thing to make doer feel better about themself but, does not actually make a genuine difference in society and