so uh, marijuana was identified for drug abuse for fifty seven percent of individual individuals that were referred to treatment, from the criminal justice system in america in two thousand eight marijuana use accounted for four point two million of the seven million people aged twelve or older classified with dependence on


or abuse of illicit drug this means that two thirds of american suffered suffering from any substance use disorder are suffering from marijuana abuse or marijuana dependence, so if the US were to legalize marijuana apart from california


the number of marijuana users will increase, the reason why the report that you were saying, about how number of people drop, because of legalization of marijuana I think that is just not captured in the system because it's legalized and they can't keep track of it so


today there are fifteen, point two million current marijuana users in comparison two hundred and twenty nine million alcohol users and seventy point nine million tobacco users, on top of that marijuana is such a had bring about such negative effect such as drug impaired driving


if marijuana is legalise drug impaired driving bill increase and which means that more lives will be taken away because of accidents based on because of marijuana used, marijuana is already such as significant causal factor in highway crashes injuries and death


and what this is in the situation where marijuana is legalised what if marijuana is not more people have the freedom to opt for it and what if this number increase who is going to be responsible for it


so marijuana is, effective I mean has it's has it's, effective impact on medical conditions such as HIV or aids or epilepsy chemotherapy associated vomiting and whatsoever that you mentioned previously


but should marijuana once be used as a medical drug shouldn't it go, based on what was done on previous drugs as well such as how morphine was used, in the hospital it's a drug that people abuse on also but why was it legalized as a medical drug in the hospital is because that it undergo it's several toxicity test and drug trials and what not on people and proven that such a drug


the benefits outweigh its cons in certain scenarios such as life and death situations so if you want to argue that marijuana has its impact on medical, few, then marijuana should undergo the same procedure to be a legalised medical drug


yeah


for medical uses only


not for people to freely use it


so you mention that marijuana has side effects and that the side effects can serve as a reminder for people to


uh, not use marijuana so I mean you do you read about the side effects of marijuana and I believe you know it, too those are, if the side effects are reversible


and not permanent that's fine they can learn from their lessons but what if the side effects are not uh reversible such as people do get high from marijuana and it stimulates the part of your brain that respond to pleasure such as food


if it's food is good what if it's sex and it gives people make what if people, take marijuana and make mistakes in life and have a have a child in the end in the end they have to raise up the child and maybe even ruined their future


because of the child, on top of that marijuana also affect mental health, so, using marijuana raises chances of clinical depression, and even make you paranoid


it can even give you , make your thinking distorted and clot your senses or judgment so, it what if during the time after you take marijuana you do something irreversible like taking your life then you don't have their life to to learn from your mistakes anymore I repent from what you have done


you only live once alin so, why the the reason why the government is legalizing it is to prevent people from making such a mistake especially kids who, who are still young and are unsure of what they have to do in life if they can think that thinking something illegal is cool


then what does legalising it makes a difference like how does it make a difference in terms of their choice being made in future, so about the, net done, the cannabis use in netherlands


forty six point nine percent, actually tried marijuana, in the respondents that I I'm looking at so they're all between twenty and twenty four years old and they're all teenagers so


do they really have I mean do they ready did they really make the right choice of doing so and what's their consequences that comes with it we wouldn't know but we can only see statistics and there is not enough to prove that legalization of marijuana should be allowed


part one debate topic one


uh okay can okay yup let's start (ppc), technology creates more problems than benefit for society technology is the application of scientific knowledge for practice practical purposes across industry as derived from the oxford dictionary


from the beginning of humanity to now we have been progressing and improving our quality of life through the implementation of technology in every aspect of our life the invention of weapons and tools to fight against the wildlife back when our ancestors had to fight for survival against


other animals to the invention of air transportation by the white brothers that kick started the wave of globalization across the world technology has been prevalent in assisting us on our progression towards a better life


however as the saying goes for every yin there is a yang or I quote newton's third law for every action of nature there is an equal and opposite reaction, the benefits that technology provides maybe unaccountable and the foundation that technology gives our society is unshakable but are we failing to see the repercussions that technology brings about as well


today I'll be standing on the proposition side of the statement technology creates more problems than benefits for society and will be discussing how benefits of technology have been overshadowing the problems that resulted from the application of technology


I will be covering the social and physiological aspects which shed light on why we should be more careful when dealing with technology, on the social side aspect of my discussion


I'll be talking about how technology have, created in the loss of human touch, nowadays apps like skype facebook whatsapp and even telegram where people can communicate with one another without having to physically meet up has been prevalent in our everyday lives


especially now in this period of time where social distancing is essential to prevent the pandemic from ever growing, apps like this has been part of our everyday lives in communicating with one another however this results in the loss of convey emotions across when we are communicating


whenever we are typing or sending a text there is a lack of emotions that carries along with the text, furthermore customer service has also been slowly being replaced by bots or AI online


reputable sites like forbes have notice and tried to cover the impacts of customer service being replaced by AI it has mentioned how high emotion scenarios still has to be handled via the emotion touch uh still has to be handled via the human touch


just imagine having to urgently get your flight changed after your flight has been cancelled and you needed to go back to your country urgently for family issues only to face minutes and hours of trying to convey your intend to an AI bot with no immediate reply or assistance given to you


furthermore customers are also will also have to try to convey their queries or requires service and have to pass through, after stages after stages of programme pathway design and implemented on the bots


elderlies or even children who are young may not be able to fully understand how this AI works and this will require uh a human touch in order for them to


be more more engaged when they are approaching customer service, ya your turn ya


yes uh


I do agree that the benefits that technology bring about does help our society and progress allow us to progress uh, into the future however I must emphasize that the benefits of technology might actually be overshadowing the repercussions that technology also bring about we are so


obsessed with how technology has brought us this much benefits that we fail to understand the side effects or the, negative impacts that technology will also impact us say like how you have earlier uh mentioned earlier that technology has allowed us to communicate better even uh communicate better and


more efficiently and allow us to reach out to other communities, in countries like syria uh there's also a part of technology where this reaching out has given has brought about a negative aspect of our society and this is where I would like to bring about the concept of cancel culture


so nowadays social media is so prevalent within our lives that anything that you say or anything that you do is being recorded in some way or another, even a picture that you posted online ten years ago maybe dug up by netizens or people on the internet and brought and maybe put against you if they want to bring you down so social media may actually end up becoming a platform that can make or break your career or even your life


we have seen cases throughout the recent years where cyberbullying through social media has been so severe that it has brought about suicide to those who were under to those were victims of this by cyberbullying


and how and how, this form of cyberbullying has been so impactful to these people that they have to these victims have to suffer, a mental problem and mental issues when they are being sent say death threats or even negative messages talking about what their actions or their behaviour


so we have been for so focused on how, technology are linking everyone together promote uh providing better form of communication that we have failed to see how this has pro given us another way


for people to actually bring down others so whether or not better communication through technology is indeed beneficial to our society has to be further discussed


furthermore, in terms of our cycled physiological aspect, uh other than uh being cyber bullied and


leading to suicide or other mental issues, research studies from the united kingdom hence so found out that on average, we check our phones every almost every twelve minutes and forty percent of the study participant participants check their phones within five minutes after waking up I'm sure


or most of us here are also guilty on that this checking off our phones constantly and after waking up puts us in an alert state where we have to constantly lookout for notification our phones even when days or there is no notifications


such practice stimulates our stress response which is unhealthy to our mental health, then can result in serious repercussions should this practice be continued for a long time, furthermore the increasing pace in society due to technology


it's also uh seen in most uh first world countries especially in singapore errands such as ordering food, booking a ride has been so convenient and fast that all you need to do is just a click via a booking site or through an app there is no more uh that's


the part where we have to wait, for food, or wait for a ride back in the past is now own nearly nonexistent, and this practice is


will not be very benefits to us as displacing reduces the ability for us to train our patients in society people will become more easily anxious and agitated when things do not move as fast or as quickly as they wanted


especially, for example say you order and items via an online site and you are waiting for it to be delivered if the delivery does not come within the stated uh stated


arrival on the arrival of time then you'll be more anxious and you'll be starting to think why is the delivery slower than expected or slower than what was stated


this behaviour will is actually detrimental to our mental health as it is easier for us to get more stress and we are agitated about tiny little things and the difference between positive and negative stress when such fast pace in society


is impacting on our lives will become final, we will not be able to know whether this stress is actually pushing us to do better or is it actually causing us to have, more uh


and mental issues when we are too stress from needing to do something, so, technology is seriously not may not as beneficial as we think it will it will be me in the future or right now in the present


and I believe that while technology does bring about lots of benefits we have to make sure that the benefits that it brings about is not being used for the negative sense uh for the negative uh ways such as cyberbullying


okay


part two debate topic two, uh this is a tough one


okay okay I'll start, scientific research should not be constrained by ethical concerns science is everywhere every movement we make every device we used they all


part of science it is the questioning nature of us that evolve science into what it is today however as we get more and more knowledgeable in science may be constrained by the certain restrictions that prevent research from hitting a new horizon one big restrained is ethics


as much as ethics are important in ensuring that do not touch the pandora's box of science I believe ethics should be revised again to allow some sort of leeway in research areas they are considered less dangerous to humanity in this current age


bring in the idea of stem cell research and medical drug research, I'll be discussing these areas they are highly beneficial to us but are constantly restrained by ethics, these restrictions limits the potential of what this research can brings about and we may end up losing out on these benefits in the future should this kind of research not progress at the rate that it should be


so I will first began talking about stem cell research since the beginning of stem cell research ethical concerns has been rising up constantly due to the fact that this fall on research requires the usage of embryonic stem cells what are embryonic stem cells


there are cells that can only be collected by destroying embryos preferably human ones as we are researching more on the human aspect rather than other types of animals, which some may consider those embryos as unique individuals been in the religious way or in the scientific way


because of such ethical concerns there were brought up by many different uh different forms of uh, aspects resources had to be pumped elsewhere to come up with alternative sources or stem cells in order to continue research smoothly although alter


this were indeed found in the end which way which what we call uh reprogrammed stem cells the results from using these alternatives were not significant to in replacing embryonic stem cells entirely


this is because the behaviour of these two types of cells are not entirely the same, science has also been producing significant discoveries from researching stem cells especially the development from a fertilized egg to fetus in understanding how an egg is slowly being developed to become a fully grown baby


as well as stem cell therapy, disease that were once deemed as incurable such as paraplegia which is the permanent damage of the spinal cord or chemical burns to the eye this kind of these types of diseases had successful cases of recovery through the usage of stem cell therapy


hence I believe that, ethical concerns should not be limiting this kind of research as these types of research are able to benefit our societies significantly in terms of finding new cures for diseases


as well as having a better understanding in the evolution of life, if ethical concerns were to be limiting stem cell research will be pushed back, by the progress that ethical concerns are limiting us on


and, stem cell research will not be able to progress efficiently especially with all the costs of funding this type of research if such, ethical concerns are actually slowing down the progress therefore I believe ethical concerns should be providing more leeway for medic for scientific research


okay so, yes I do agree that ethical ethical ethics should be put in place for scientific research however I believe that


the limitations they are brought about by ethics are too impactful in terms of the progress of scientific research I bring about your point that, uh ethic ethical principles include having consent


of the participants and also to ensure that uh research are being done in a safe and not in a harmful manner towards the society as well as the idea of using animals for testing instead of humans


I will discuss about uh how, medical drug research are also being restricted by the points that you mention which I brought about just which is that when doing research on a new medical discovery especially towards the fuel


with public health there's a need to test how on how high the efficacy of the new drug discovery is towards the targeted disease, however because of the concerns that using the


new drug discovery on humans may not be, it's not ethical yet and also, the idea that we need to ensure that the test participants are being conducted uh the risk the study on the test participants are conducted in a safe and concerted manner


it limits the research study in that we will not we are not able to ensure that we will receive highly accurate results and data from the study


I'll talk about one of the examples back in the nineteen fifty to nineteen sixties when polio was rampant throughout the world back in the US, one one of the research group was testing for a polio vaccine


and this was the period when polio was spreading very fast and there was a need for cure to be produced so this research group actually pack, uh actually develop these new vaccine


but then he needed, some form of safety test and test to check whether the results of using this vaccine is effective in reducing the spread of polio and saving more sustainable children from contracting polio


however, the test was supposed to put two groups of children, they are both susceptible to polio one the treatment group and the other the control group and the treatment group will be given the vaccine while the control group will not be given anything


this brought up the this brought of the concerned that if polio was so deadly back then and we were not providing the vaccine to those in the control group wouldn't that put the, put those who are in the control group at risk of contracting polio and may actually die from it while the test was being conducted


furthermore the other concerns of how these children may not be self-aware enough or mature enough to provide consent for their own towards this participation of the research, however as time was extremely tight and there was not enough time to conduct more safety tests before pushing out the vaccine to the public this research had to be carried on


and indeed this vaccine actually saved many of the susceptible children when the research was actually over and results were shown that this vaccine was highly effective in preventing polio spread


so this actually shows that ethical concerns are actually limiting the production of new medical drunk discoveries, when we need to provide more safety tests and more money to be pumped into the research in order to ensure that the drug is safe for human consumption


yes we do need to ensure that drugs are safe for human consumption before it is being pushed out to the public however the, the safety trials that we used, for the for conduct for ensuring that the drug is safe will take too long and cost too much for companies or investors to continue pumping in funds and resources all the way till the drug is being pushed out


by then the benefits and the earnings from the income from, the sales of disrupts may not be big enough for investors or companies to venture into this path and risk investing more money into the drug


and because of this, kind of thoughts by the companies and the investor many of the drugs, nowadays are being limited (ppc) and monopolized by companies who have already pumped out


uh current drugs available nor the market one example would be that uh there was one research study that had actually found a possible cure for cancer however because of the high cost and maintenance of


further safety testing to ensure that the drug and all the treatment is safe for human use, the research was actually put off as investors and companies do not want to pump more money into the research in in the event that the drug or the treatment is actually a failure


so I believe that, ethical concerns is indeed important however the limit stations that ethical concerns actually bring about in scientific research is preventing us from progressing as a whole into the research industry


therefore I hope that ethical concerns are actually will actually provide more leeway for scientific research instead of constantly limiting scientific research with the current rules and regulations that you accept in place


okay, part three debate topic three, (ppc) uh marijuana okay


okay okay we start yeah


marijuana should be legalised marijuana or weed it's a psychoactive drugs that affects the brain, yes beneficial effects as well as side effects that may be positive or negative such side effects include the realisation of the mind increase in appetite or the state of euphoria difficulty in concentrating and even impaired short term memory


marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drugs in the world as it is easily grown and it can be smuggled easily as well in singapore it is considered an illegal drug by the central narcotics bureau


and thus marijuana ah sorry, also across the entire world only a few countries and state in the united states, uh legalizing marijuana including the netherlands and in california of the USA marijuana may be harmful to a certain extent but I do not believe that it should remain illegal


in terms of the economy marijuana trade can be extremely lucrative for our economy and for our GDP or the gross domestic product also, legalizing marijuana can also eh can also reduce the


usage of marijuana among those who are under aged, as they are less likely to actually use the drug, since it is not it does not provide them a sense of defiance, when it is as per with when it is illegal a report from the united states has shown that marijuana usually


I actually went down from two to twelve percent within two years just by legalizing it for adult use and this percentage is among those who are under aged ranging from twelve to fourteen, legalizing marijuana actually


makes it less cool live close and inverted commas to those who are under age as it does not bring them a sense of defiance towards the society when they are using when they are using as per if it was illegal


is similar to how under age uh, children or teenagers back in singapore actually smoke cigarettes or


do other things that are considered illegal because they want to have a sense of defiance and to sort of make themselves look cool wholesale open and close really commerce, so this form of psychological effect if you when we make marijuana legalized


will be removed as they do not think that it will be as cool as it is if something that they're using is actually legal and commonplace around the world around society


yes marijuana is harmful to our to us when we consume it to a certain, extent as well however so his cigarettes cigarettes also bring about many of the detrimental effects to our body and it's actually more deadly than


marijuana itself however cigarettes is still legalised in the entire world ah why not marijuana, what what a marijuana has their cigarette does not that render it it unable to be legalised across the entire world when cigarettes it's actually much more harmful to the human body


currently in the united states marijuana ah legalised in some states is in terms of medical use instead of a recreational use, this sort this type of movement may actually be adopted across the entire world as


the the beneficial effects of marijuana actually helps in many of those who are suffering from uh mental issues since it relax the mind and it also has also increased the appetite of the users


so if one were to suffer from let's say mild stress or mild depression consuming marijuana may actually help them to relax themselves so that they will not have numerous suffer more and go deeper into their uh mental issues


furthermore, legalizing marijuana will remove the sales of marijuana in the black market this will allow us or the government to take money away from secret societies or drug lords they're looking around across the world


and, with the legalization of marijuana consumption can also be regulated, as imports and exports will be tracked since there is official data, on the product itself the government can also regulate how much import of marijuana can be


uh brought over to limit the usage of marijuana in the country itself, so there is little reason to justify why marijuana should remain illegal when the benefits of marijuana actually helps a lot to the country in terms of the economy and the in the social aspect


okay, bringing about the point that you mention just before that marijuana should be legalized (ppc), and going through undergoing through the same test as uh per other legalised drugs then ya it should be


it should be subjected to those test as well, in the progress for its legalization after all, yes but then after all


despite all the negative aspects of marijuana we have a living example of the legalization of marijuana right now in the current world, which is the netherlands the netherlands


has been legalizing marijuana for a long period of time and, their safety and the safety in their society, it's not as high as per what other countries would have when they're (ppc) when the drug is illegal in that country


as seen that in the netherlands, the legalization of marijuana actually puts the country at a more in a more uh happy state


as there's no restrictions you there's not much as much restrictions to limit what the citizens can do, when, this gives them more freedom for them to decide on whether they can do this or they can not do this and it also gives them the opportunity to grow and understand


what is uh self constrained and what is being responsible for themselves and for the society, furthermore the legalization of marijuana will actually uh as I mentioned earlier that how legalization of marijuana will remove the sales of marijuana in the black market


you guys also marijuana will actually also reduce the number of crimes or arrests for people who are possessing marijuana itself imagine if marijuana was is legalized


and, those who are possessing marijuana do not had to be arrested and resources do not have to be spent on dealing with the capture of people who are possessing marijuana or consuming verona and also putting them into prison or anything because of the sales of marijuana


such resources can be re-allocated and be focused on elsewhere where more serious uh issues are being, present in our society (ppc) so something that is that can be done


like the legalization of marijuana and having an living example right now that show that the legal legalizing marijuana do not have that much of uh negative impact on society


there is no there is no strong reason for us to actually remain, making marijuana illegal since, there is not much difference between legalising marijuana and not legalising marijuana between among the countries yes I agree that marijuana does have its detrimental effects and it does provide some it does have its side effects however


the side effects can be we can take take the chance take the opportunity to make use of this side effects or detrimental impact to our society and use them to better educate the society itself showing them that


this is what will happen if you do things that you're not supposed to do or if you do not if you do not control yourself and over consume this is what will happen to you


this actually serves as a better lesson as per telling society verbally, without any action that marijuana is bad for you, as, action speaks louder than words so


marijuana being legalised may not be a bad thing after all, yeah


okay


yup, alright so the debate topic uh be the preposition for animal lives should be as equity value as human lives


so I'd like to began by saying that without animals or plants we would not have existed so far, from this we can draw the conclusion that we are all as equals, yes we have involved to be more intelligent just as other animals have involved


to adapt to the environments they live in, maybe be more intelligent and then more influence over the earth but this is not what determines importance as importance is to find the state of fact of being of great significance or value, which is a quote from google just so you know


from this we can actually conclude that we are of no greater value than any other animal, whatever taken were to evolved into something more intelligent and powerful than us, would it then the more important just because we have the ability and potential to do something doesn't mean we will use it


we'll still rape murder and kill and lie, and decisive one another for reasons such as personal gain, which end up being derailed to ourselves and others, so as we all know that we were to work as a community we could've accomplish so much more


a live is a live a breath is a breath blood is blood we can't say they don't feel if you are not them, physically all living creatures are more alike than different, if I can't tell you it hurts and I'm I'm in pain I feel bad for people that go through life not being able to feel life


or understand what is it, no matter what you are feeling, you are the great gratitude destination that is that, where the ones killing the plants all the planets I would say it's not animals they're ripping up rain forest every day destroying the planet


animals are not the ones that make things run for their lives for sport animals do not waste things and kill huge elephants only taking the tusk, or even to say sharks for the shark fin, animal do not waste things the you know generally, kill or trap other animals


dash in cages in a horrible conditions or other entertainment or just to kill, animals do not torture, and then kill their own kind humans to all these things, we may be more intelligent, but, we got to take note by no means in any aspect we were never more important


to an extent since we are part of a human species, we should do what we can to keep our species alive and prospering, by the cycle of life this means that we will have to take some animal lives for food, just a any other carnivorous animals does however this does not mean that we should abuse animals


humans did not have so much worth more than animals that we should abuse animals for our own circus entertainment, and we should not be hurting just for the sport of it, for food is a different story altogether, you should be aware of how much meat we waste lions did not waste one bite of meat when they captured their prey


so we should not waste one bite of meat if a stick is put on our plates, to sum up humans will always be on top of the food chain image a value themselves over animal lives to keep the species alive, but animal lives also have the same value and deserve the same respect, with that I'll end my first argument


okay I think over the point here I think they're just uh reiterated that animal lives should be equally important because you are supposed to be opposition where you say the animal lives are not important


uh okay so the point is I brought that that food is something that it's a life cycle where we actually go for a food chain because food chain need to exist but what we're trying to do here is to value the food chain that we have, I'm not saying that it is not


it is not important, okay see they do human if you realised animals right if it talk about certain species we talk about species itself cat don't eat cats dog don't eat dogs humans don't eat humans but we'll say about cats eating another thing that's what we say that it is important for a uh an aspect of an animal to eat other animals it is fine


but as a food chain where you don't eat your same kind, just, you see so


okay so the point that you got bring up is, a lion can eat humans because it is caught a lion will not have the intelligence to actually say that this is not food just as how humans will actually


do read for example humans will cause murder for example, so these are something that animals for example do not get, uh by any chance uh by law I would say


uh no what I say is animals have importance, of being in the food industry, where they are existence for a particular reason by just that humans can only interpret or say what they feel because of the intelligence that they have animals have other responsibilities


in terms of like global warming in terms of keeping like deforestation in terms of for how the world involves these you need the animals around so each of us has a part to play


so each of us contribute to society in different manners, where we actually exist for particular reason, not equivalent but valued as a human value comes from two aspects one you can see that uh it can be for entertainment one you can see that is for food chain


where you can see that humans for example will come into play where their value as a senior part in, at any organisation these are values that they bring, so I take I think your your points is you got to write in a three minute debate on the opposition not question


at the moment, you gotta put in a three minute opposition debate not open discussion yet


yet okay so with that point a cat doesn't go to a hospital to get treated for any cancer a cat goes to a vet, human goes to hospital for any kind of treatment so there's two distinctive uh places to go, to get treated so if you were to lump it altogether that doesn't exist lah because vets are there for a reason just like our hospitals are there for a reason to treat particular patients for example humans


and we are veterans to actually treat those who actually have pets so both of them don't go to the same place so the point will be invalid in such a case


err, Kiat so then again as what you mentioned once you agreed with me it means you say that that's why there's two distinctions on how the hospitals are run not running where a vet and hospital coincides together but serves a different purpose just like how businesses serve a different purpose not all business are the same


uh for that for like for example a dentist and a doctor they both serve different aspects a a dentist can pluck out loosen tooth a doctor can't do a bitten tooth, so both of them exist differently for different reasons


anymore arguments, ya so, yes so with that being said I'll just point out the rules of animals playing a vital role in maintenance of ecosystem they live in like I mentioned earlier


either by keeping a certain population, all species plants or animals in check fertilizing the environment by pooping for example or breaking down and clean up organic waste a number of cycle in natural that requires other cycle to function, the the how we all function and and any aspect


right so in terms of days how you make lives and power in technology intellectually as what you mentioned by humans, uh but those also come at a cost of someone something that has to pay for, to say that human lives are more valuable than animal lives because we made life more convenient and less for ourselves that's not only arrogant arrogant


but also quite simply ridiculous, human totals about for example sixty five billion animals every year for meat and takes even greater number of lives from sea which are discarded because of by cage uh they grow up in cage no one knows, alright so what I can say is this we all kind of exist for a particular reason the ecosystem is a cycle


where we kill, we eat, and did we produced as well, so each of us exist where we have to value what, each aspect of human and aim us bring into this picture, where we both are equally important


but we have different values of how important it is


okay so I I get what you're saying, uh what we need to take note is this when we say that uh may take horseshoe blood for example they are valuable because they exist in a way where


uh we gonna use it for human trials for human aspect so in other words they exist for reason for the humans, right, so why is that not valuable in anyway


yup so so so correct so in other words what we're trying to do is we're trying to say they are valuable in terms of any medical breakthrough, these bring value to humans because into how we survive on certain changes as while to happen


right, uh well, uh because of what because how they have evolved mankind because we need them when they evolve mankind just as much as we need them to actually build up an ecosystem


right, so that again, I would like to bring up point to a close so what you trying to say is animal lives should be valued differently or equally as humans


right


uh sorry eh so when you say that you are certainly of own kind and humankind you got to take note that we are actually also sitting their time uh due to the fact that whenever they do also we produce as a how as human reproduces just as how animals and planets you know if not without the animals itself you also can't survive on this earth


let alone and all do anything into in terns of plants fertilization ecosystem, eat live breathe you also have issues for them so I trying to say that because of that we they are not equally important for us also live


so without them we can't live that means our human lives are not valuable at all already, really


no like I said uh value in terms of what they can bring to the table, not value in terms of how we see each other equally, it's a value equal, to how intellectual you are that's a different level


so value in terms of what they can bring to the table and what humans can bring to table and what animals can bring to the table each have different values, yup, our lives are more important so


we are both living humans where we value each other's point of, life and also revalued their lives because if not without that you wouldn't even have a life to live, sorry so humans humans also do judgment calls when it comes to


living so we kill, we, kind of murder people we do a lot of things as well so you're saying human don't value their own human lives, if not why do these things happen, are you gonna look at the index you gonna look at the index where rape happens where bad human do not value human lives if not there will not be a jail for instance


to be even there for us to actually be in what


okay, okay so just want to start on the second topic change is always good, so on this I'll like to affirm a point on why change is always good you may ask why I say so but you gotta question yourself why is there a saying who has mentioned by one of the great philosopher Heraclitus said change is only constant in life


changes in social economic physical and political environment interacting with each other create challenges for organisations and people working within the organisations putting their survival and growth to the test, complexities of challenges increase as a rate of change increases don't though change is constant the rate of change today is much faster than ever before


so you may ask how does this help and why is it always good, if you weren't able to reinvent ourselves then few change is good many things won't happen in life take for example the invention of flight bots or benjamin franklin who invented electricity, if this were not dotted and invented we'll be living with candles and it wouldn't have lights by a flick of a button


change complexities threatened efficient organisation operations and stability, regular review of uh strategies and operation realignments and reviewers have become facts of our time, measures learn new things acquire new skills top management of recognisers and restructures operation and six new markets creates new products adopts new processes and cope with changes


face regularly how critical challenges from these changes are dependent on nature of change, no one wants change but I think is everybody love to stay within their own comfort zones but we need to create our own identity based on skills experience training we acquired over many years and we're the assumptions and expectations conform to the structures we work within


so with that I would like to hear what you got to say


okay, so with that I hear your point, on change is costly you anticipate and react you develop it so that few points that I recognize from your conversation is that you develop resilience on how we grow and learn this is first thing is a good thing when change is good


and next thing you say that it challenges your own advantage and it disruptive but then again we need to be disruptive in order to, for evolution to happen where evolution in terms of technology happen without these changes which is no one knew whether it was a good thing or bad thing everyone adapted to it


anything you brought about his job do realize that how many times have you change your job previously in order for a better one was that a change that is good or bad, there's a uh change for good on the record, so next point I want to talk is actually the four different things when it comes to changes


where you'll like to disagree or agree I believe is more we agree, that's four points and bring up internet changes external changes change leads to opportunity and experiences and change means progress, so for your internal changes enables you to become the person you want to be practising and enticing change yourself is one of the most rewarding processes you will ever experience


it also displays available life skill if you are able to pinpoint areas in your career that you're unhappy with or you need further development being able to change your approaches a commitment to progression and a confidence in our own ability in order to avoid stagnation it's important for internal changes to be made almost continuously


no matter whether is changing the way you present yourself developing a skills taking a course or changing a routine, you are own boss and laugh and a huge amount of change comes within with that I'll like to talk on the point of a job, without, currently for example if you say you had a ten thousand dollars job


but I think is before your ten thousand dollars job you had to go through the changes in order to reach a ten thousand dollars job, without going through this ten thousand dollar job you could not actually garnered such a pay or be comfortable is because changes were made along the way and this might be a final change for example


so then again if you were to say that change is not good you have actually just exempted change was a good thing in your life where you have guided a certain amount of cash in your current job for you to be comfortable, the next point is external changes there're some change that we cannot control extended circumstances and changes were often have a dramatic effect on our career


these in just a matter whether they seem good or bad at time will teach you something new, external change makes you more flexible more as and they prepare for you your future just like how you are prepared right now for a job that gives you a very comfortably because you actually did changes in the past so and internet change will encourage you to progress external change will give you the experience and drive to push you forward


especially in project management roles were imperative and measures are receptive to the changes around them being able to grow from challenges life throws at you a fundamental for healthy person development, re-chase your next point where opportunity and experience actually presents himself to you you will take on the responsibility


if let's say you did not know for example this current job will give you such stability you jump into it not knowing what will happen, and you embrace the change and now you can think and say that it is comfortable so you actually took risks and you actually manage a failure if let's say there was any and you actually learn from it and that's where change also happens and you accept your opportunity and you employ a new team member for example for a new project


so always take note change means progress where let alone you progress year on year of a fast last five years changes for happier lifestyle a sense of fulfillment uh this are progress that happens to you and you will actually accept change that


so over to you


define define not good when is not good,


alright so when you say that something bad happens and you cannot cope with change you do realize that the thing that's bad that's happened, will actually turnout uh when you can't cope when you go for consultation it turns into a good thing when change happens at the first time I'm it always seems a bad thing


that's no doubt but the thing is once you overcome it everyone will say change is always good, just like how you mentioned for example if someone that has lost both parents they will ultimately come out stronger as what you mentioned they become more independent they know how as like to do someone and they will actually treasure people more


they financial support were been issue but this teaches a person how to actually be financially independent what is key to them in terms of their financial expenses are not to spend too much on for example like expensive goods those are somethings that


uh you've got to take note as well because this is something that they actually brought up and said that something that is simple usable, is enough for them, so like you mentioned drinking problem and suicide I'll have to addressed address them when you go for consultation you come out stronger these are stories where you can actually tell people they're facing the same issue that's why so many people that for example goes into drinking problems they go into a rehab after rehab they come out they said the change was good


so you're telling me that these change was not good at first because we're living in the present you're not looking into the future to say that it is good, and when it talk about technology and environment if you reject change for example, uh you can look at a technology for example is like a phone an iphone itself


where change was actually a very important thing where camera changes people go for the next best thing that's why you got constantly upgrade and change you also have to constantly upgrade and change yourself, so with this you actually understand the fundamental changes in business processes products and services these changes are a very good thing like I can give you example of a neck change uh mobile banking why is it that you can do it on your phone


because it's more friendly user friendly it is more is is easier to use, right why do politicians even use social media instead of traditional media uh communication media because it's easier to reach out you do the changes for example in singapore


while does election also happen uh based on social media because we have no choice because of COVID for example and without COVID you also have to think about it now COVID happens we all adapted to change so at the end of it change was still a good thing because it actually pushed companies who actually have projections for technology to be implemented


instead of twenty years it actually comes down to within a matter of weeks where certain organisations do not have, anything or any plans or future road maps to actually do change so you're telling me that productive changes it won't be good thing it's always a good thing when it happened and it always


comes to how we actually tackle it, and how we actually embrace change that we have so change is always a good thing because it'll make you stronger it make everyone stronger so what do you have to say


uh okay so bring your point where you say ATM cards were not the were the issue previously before even mobile banking came out ATM card when issue where you can draw money by using another card and you can actually put in the pin to withdraw money this are citation or uh references and from newspaper that came out that


this were also issue so in any aspect what happens for such a case where mobile banking for example like you mention they need change what happened is they're constantly changing because, for example today is good tomorrow it'd be a lack of technology because it's not good enough so change is always good in that aspect because you've got to keep you secured security wise and ensure that this thing don't happen again so it's always a constant better where you gotta be changing


so to have to ensure that everyone is safe they feel safe they feel secure


okay so, so so what you're saying is, ya


ya so the thing is, ya so the thing is, it depends certainly depends on on what it is say so when you say uh you got to keep upgrading your phone these are constant things that happen you might not see this this can be also a change or these can be just an update to you so it depends how you look at it right


so when you say it's always good we're talking about life itself, like constant change don't talk about technology upgrading or software upgrading software upgrading happens almost every single time, life itself when it comes to a change do you adapt or do not adapt does life when a change happen does it keep up of you or does it forget you completely if you don't follow up what happened you see beggars on the road you see that buildings will not come up


you see a technology be left behind, and these changes you don't adapt you realize that, from a a bad point you'll see the eh this change was not good but if you actually enjoy all the benefits you will tell me that !hey! today because of the COVID itself we had to change was it a good thing or was it a bad thing


if let's say today you lose your job, if today you lose your job was it a bad thing a good thing because you didn't adapt to the change, change


ya so so, ultimately is changes to happen it's always a good thing to have because you have the latest people up to speed up to target


and you worked your organisation will not fail if you want to have someone that is not of like competence incompetence or they're competent itself you have different views points where you will actually realise the change was good for business, with that we can end the conversation


okay, so the next debate topic will be, topic three uh abortion should be banned, in my opinion abortion is wrong and very unethical, there are some specific instances where abortion might you know look for it for them to be better but for most part abortion impact


abortion should be illegal because is a killing of an innocent human even if he or she has not been born yet, in fact it's proven that babies can feel pain during an abortion I believe abortion should be outlawed as they're unethical for many reasons while two reasons abortion should be illegal is because human life does not start once a person is born nor by the heart starts beating but air conception


after conception the baby grows and develops for about nine months but these aren't mean the babies any less human than anyone else in addition as improved appear it that human life starts at conception, people who oppose abortion often call themselves pro life however to only alive many of them are concerned with fertilize for the fertilized egg and per all features the argument of life and death to uncertainty of complication makes it difficult


I don't believe in an abortion because it's murder be or not to wise they can decide whether a person or that a woman gives birth should live or die, abortion is a life and death matter if you believe it or not, which boils down to also having


save sexual intercourse area of sexual intercourse itself and you have you protection and taking your own precautions this will actually eliminate any possibilities of having an abortion, human should treasure every live and if they're not ready they should all take precautions as wise mentioned


we believe that if lives in danger where emotional of mother at stake will save mother and let alone but rape rape victims which I give consent to sexual intercourse, we believe that they gain conceptual turf, pills which has no harm be better for abdomen so that I end my side


okay so my question just one question that brings up when you say abortion should not be banned how many weeks are you looking at it, or entirely


so the point is what does your definition of abortion mean


okay, so so abortion you're saying not fully developed baby so that is what you are saying so how many weeks are you looking at a, of it when it's in the fetus, when they're in the fetus how many weeks are you looking at in terms of an abortion


, yes correct so what week are you talking that abortion should not be banned, any read so how does so in terms of abortion what does your definition of abortion mean does it mean that the fetus is of a certain age because it can be a different meaning to to every single one so what does your definition for abortion mean


or how many weeks does it mean does it equate to heartbeat does it not equate to heartbeat what is it exactly, hardy as in you get a pulse for the heart does that so what does your definition of abortion means


uh with, so with a heartbeat or without a heartbeat


yeah so they're actually they typically takes about six weeks, alright for eight to actually have a heartbeat, right so then again I think you would know in terms of


if let us say turner down syndrome you could test for it uh it totally understandable, right if let's say is because of eight years of suffering like you mentioned but in terms of morality in terms of having the morals is it as good as killing someone


if let's say the baby is healthy what you just cited to me were days for things that uh is an unhealthy baby when live is at stake but you have not told me about when they are healthy you have not told me that it's unplanned but at the same time they're of age to actually take care of someone


what you've cited to me was just a negative areas of how abortion should be done and why it should take place in any situation, (mmhmm)


okay so just now while a study was done for a fourteen year old in the US right kids in the US have kids as early as fourteen you know it's not even twelve fourteen or fifteen for example, these days kids do have sexual intercourse at an early stage where parents of either party will actually take care yes the girl might be disown but they will still come out and actually adapt to the change and they'll actually work they'll start working they'll school and they'll work you will find ways to make money and they actually keep the baby such as he was healthy


so if you have another disagreement on when the, baby is healthy of an adult for example whose of age and they're married would they actually did you tell me the abortion should be banned on that


so tell me okay yup


okay so, uh like I mentioned so if let's say the kid the the parents for example it's like thirty years old, they accidentally have a kid to deputation what because they are not ready but have you heard that all parents say they are not ready in any circumstances where


to them, they should always be and uh they doubt themselves correct by end of it we will look on the bright side and you realize that they are actually they are ready but no one looks back at it, right to me do we have to address the problems of morality and does it equates to killing a person because he or she doesn't actually have a say in this


do you think the baby has a say or because baby does not have a say you decide for the baby when everything is perfect and healthy, that's my point, that support morality


you what you have you bring up based on morals do you say that because you get to decide when everything is healthy, you will choose to do an abortion


(mmhmm)


so you are saying that uh it be scrutinised in a way so when you say that is whether they have a clean procedure or not but thing is if they're are scrutinised government actually gives them the chance to, have that option because you do have a choice if some people go through the


uh, at the dog way of actually doing it illegally, alright so they're supposed to ban it completely and what humans should do is actually take contraceptive pills like what I mentioned if they do do not want to have a kid our birth control pills, these are things that should have


and by right, don't have, the option for an abortion if a pills are actually been taken


uh I don't know what is qualified but I think they should be if actually they're opening a if if if they are, ya so you ask me it should be, , the question is like what you mentioned when you say that


abortion is lower in in Switzerland for example yup some countries yes they're lower because they either provided the contraceptive pills or they do not provide in certain countries if let's say it's available that is something that companies oh sorry humans or woman should actually be


taking up on because contraceptive pills are things that are needed to help them, in order not to get an abortion because abortion will actually take a human live it's like mother, right you is as good as taking another human live will you be judged for that eventually will will the law come down one day that if let's say you are taking an abortion you'll be charged with with like uh a lot of you'll be charged in court


what would you all take beyond that will that actually stop everyone also finding abortion this can happen too, because I taking a human live but it's just not born, it is just not born, that's the thing that you got to take note, and once, and and despite a certain countries the law has actually been imposed that abortion are is banned as a result and that's why you see lower so once the country actually has and certain states actually ban


abortion, these are states that are helping and promoting the woman rights in terms of abortion as well


right


okay so so for topics one the abortion uh sorry uh babies being dumped some of them might actually born in hospitals and after that being dumped, so they're already born and the parents actually thought of taking care of the kids so no abortion will start before that


ya so the point states here clearly where I'm waiting for an reply was as to uh laws that I will be impose these laws will come in handy to address the abortion that it should be banned


that it'll be actually taking someone's live to be charged in court, these are things where actually a lot of government are looking into it a lot of people are protesting as well because abortions are taking a live ethically and morally it is not right


but any human being to decide uh to take I have minute to say if I were to actually take someone else's live today, because I feel that he's not deem fit for example who is as good as murder but to me if you if you say from the girl and I have a a baby in my stomach I feel that I'm not ready it's just weird I'm not ready for both sides I'm not ready for how he turns out I'm not ready of how you turn up


or you're gonna hurt someone or you're going to be a different and that's where the kidding begins, so the point that I would like to say is no matter how it is contraceptives will be a useful tool in replacement, for uh an abortion to be made because you can actually stop any kind of abortion in the first place


when you take contraceptives before any sexual intercourse were to happen so if you were to actually do this before hand abortion rate would go lower and it has already been going lower, in terms of some statistics that's actually been proven that over the years where women rights comes in uh these are people that actually stop it stemmed from actually having an abortion people stand outside the clinics you know to actually stop them from having abortion singapore government are also actually putting up notices


education being educative enough actually to people in primary school or for example in secondary schools to actually understand what sexual intercourse , actually is and what will happen, and what would be for example


you know kids coming out at early age to have a kid in the stomach these all preventive measures that happened because they want to stop abortion so in order to do that, abortion will take place when you show videos where we have contraceptive pills and these are reasons and result us to why we proposed that uh abortion should be banned


a risky pregnancy you mean to say when about to give birth because we say we risky pregnancy now whose at the end of it when it comes to a uh missed miscarriage that's a different thing yeah miscarriage will result in risky pregnancies too so when you say risky pregnancies is uh at the operating table


where a misconception take place or, or


on medical grounds yes uh time's up, stop ah


who, yes


alright thank you for that okay , the topic three is uh animal live should be equally valued as human live, what my, proposition uh what what you the proposition has said is that animals live, is equal equivalently


valuable as human live but I doubt so because, one thing at, if we say that animal lives are as important as human lives, why aren't we doing why are we eating food why are why are we not, taking care of


animals the way that we should, food, so so you are trying to say that what you call that, trying to say that uh if animals, are equally equal equivalently valuable as human then we shouldn't be eating any any any animals for that matter of fact


and , insects insects are considered as animals but why why do us humans uh engage pest control to go and , kill kill all these cockroaches cockroaches are animals so if we say we are equally valuable as the animals


I don't I we should stop all these, what we're doing right now, , !chey! animal live okay and , thing yup that's that's uh that's my main point that I would like to bring across and uh another another point that we should should uh really think about is


how how do we value an an animal life, , how do you value your own pets I have a cat, so if I value my cat and what what am I supposed to do with my cat I'm supposed to let my cat do whatever he want so, let it roam around the streets and uh maybe it will come back because some animals are not as smart as humans is that that's that's a that's a fact


because, they are animals they are they are they are born and made to be that way, err, they wouldn't think they only know how to, move around eat, , and move around and eat that's all


so, if you are saying that animal lives is uh equivally as, important as human lives then we will, be definitely having to go through a lot of change in the world that, uh from our dietary aspects from uh, uh from


how how we treat animals there wouldn't be animal zoos do you wanna be kept in the zoo like an animal of course no right, so that's my point for the animal lives should be equally valuable as a human lives


they're yeah they're not they're not important that's why we we should be, they they uh we should not worry about them being fooled like what you said, correct


they okay they said, value as human live so yeah are you telling me that okay I'm hungry I want to eat benito can I do that


so okay, pertaining to that so can I ask a lion hi lion, would you like to eat a human today so shall we sacrifice a human and give the lion a human as food because we are equally as valuable as animals correct if you were to say that


for that's why I I I I believe the animals should not be valued as human live what what were what you were trying to say is the animal are actually, not valued as human lives if you say you like if you were if you were to say it like that


but how does that how does that relate to animal being, as equivalent as a human


(hmm), sorry


okay okay ya so, let us we can see as we as we know that, (hmm), when you are saying about intelligence and emotional complexity of animals


the argument goes that uh, they have more in common, with us, so that's why you you you agree that animal live should be equally valued as human life but they actually have far fewer capabilities, and uh, it is a it's a


fewer capabilities than humans, and, if uh if if for example a healthy chimp has a, greater autonomy than uh human with dementia then uh there might be an obligation to look after the chim ahead of human correct


so let's say if we see a if if if my cat is my cat has cancer, and, and uh we go to the hospital at the same time and you have cancer does that mean that, I will I I ask the doctor to treat my cat first before I treat another human, err


that's where I I I don't think that that's a that's a sound sound uh argument to make so I believe so that the animals should not be equally valued as humans in that aspect, ya


yes I do agree with what you're saying, but, you you should you should weigh the both of them to get they should be as important as us, I don't think they should be as important as us, err


(mmhmm)


how okay when when , you are saying uh animal lives is, highly valuable as human life, we have to first know that, we as humans we have a choice, to do what we want to do


but for animals we don't understand whether they have a choice to do what they want to do or not let me take uh an example for you the the horseshoe crab, uh, millions of horseshoe crab has been harvested for the blue blood, it's for for for humans to make our antibiotics medicine


do this horseshoe crabs have a have a, see when whether they oh hi can I can can you can extract the blood from me, we I don't think they have they have uh they have uh, err, choice in doing so, but then, then again that being said


if a human were to do that if let's say our blood is valuable to an animal, definitely we have to sign consent forms get uh approval for this and that for for for the scientists to use our blood to treat the animals, so that


in itself is, a compare is a comparison between animals live and a human live so, it's not fair and uh yup, and I don't think, that that that shows that we value animals lives as how we value human lives


if you were to do so we would have asked them for permission but the thing is there's no way we could them ask them for permission


they exist for us, but they are not on the same part as us so that that is the two that that that that is the main difference, for us and on same part as us so, you gotta see how, how we need them or how we respect them


as how they are to us


ya so so you're you're that's why that's that's my point is you are saying that they are only valuable because they are useful to us they're not valuable because, the


(uh huh)


I my point it uh I still believe that animal live should not be as equally valuable as human live, for a simple matter of fact, that's, uh the uh the life cycle so the it is how it is


you couldn't change the fact that, an animal is an animal and humans are human and, they can be as, good as a human we might need them we might not need them but ultimately we are only saving our own kind our human humankind


yup, how no how without them we cannot live, I think it still will be, still will be able to live definitely will still be able to live it's just that


we have we are not, on the same level uh, we're not on the same level as an animal definitely


(mmhmm), yeah but but but we are talk, but we are talking about live, their live if their live, yes our live are more important than them correct that's what you just mentioned


how can you value their live if you can if you constantly kill them eat them treat them as pest


(mmhmm), but how many percentage of that in the human nah I don't think there's so many


five, four


alright , change is not always a good thing, uh it may force us out of our tired habit and uh imposed better one upon us but it can also be very stressful, costly, and even be destructive


what's important about change is how we anticipate it and react, to it , change teaches us how to adapt develop resilience but only if we can understand our own capacity for how we grow, and uh how we learn


if we don't know how to , grow and learn from that and I change is not a good thing for us, when change, what what what what what we say when change makes us better is that because we learned how to uh turn, err


how we learn to turn something challenging into our own advantage but not everyone can do that, some of us don't have that capability to do so and it is very stressful for them it might uh might uh be destructive for them as well, but


to be honest one of life's constant is change, ready or not it does happen, err, we grow we age technology like you said the light bulb, some of us really we relish change and others and people like me we resist change because we are very comfortable we are where we are we are what we what what we want and what we need to do and that's enough for us to go by


, when given a choice, I I I doubt you would want to change okay let's let's just say, I have a ten thousand dollar job, and uh, its permanent I've got a good family I've got a good house why would I want to change to something that's


not, that might but might be better might not be better and it will be ruining your chances to a good life, you know, so that's why I don't think change is always good


okay when you said, I didn't say change is always good, good, and is change is always not good, there're them there might be sometimes it's good but there might might also be sometimes is, not good so when


they haven't haven't the open debate yet define now you okay, not good is when you are changing something something bad, so, you when when when something bad happens


and you couldn't cope with it, people would go through, drinking problems gambling problems , some some of them might even go to suicide, you see so, certain changes


while I said might be good but certain changes are still not so good, and changes yeah oh where was I, so ya my points still stands that


changes isn't always a good thing isn't always good, so, the only thing that we can sure about change is something will be different, whether it is a technology, environment or life, but uh


the the the the question, of, the matter is do we embrace the change for the sake of just wanting to change, some just wanting to be different, or do we wait, for the fundamental change for the better like reject


the ideas that all change is good, , that's okay they just just put one example this uh my handphone camera, so err


something if if okay if something is working, why would you want to change it, so we have a working phone we have uh a working camera then


what what does a camera do we just take picture then there no I I don't see a very I don't see a point for us to, purposely go and change and make the camera do more different things I mean a camera is a camera or you can create something else, to do to do to to make that uh what you call that


to make that, camera do what he wants it has to do, okay that that's part our that's technology so the the the more pressing thing I want to speak is about


human, human changes uh psychological changes, because if, something something happens in their lives and they couldn't cope with it, they they might they might they might be


too stress though like like for example, what is good coming out from a, father's death, a kid might not be able to, err, voice out their emotions and uh they won't have someone


to give them, emotional support uh financial support, like how they're, so, I I I do agree that it makes the kids be more a little bit more independent but it's not necessarily a good thing


cause !hey! err you are not used to it and, if the kid is uh strong enough, that's good for the kid but if the kid is weak, then he might go into, depression , he might be very quiet and antisocial and doesn't want to talk to anyone so


you know, what I'm trying to say, is yup, there might there are some good points but there are also bad, point so change is not always good the keyword here is always, so what uh


so what does the proposition have to say about that


eh okay I like to bring up your point about mobile banking, yes it's good the change is very good, previously where when we want to withdraw money or transfer money we have to use the ATM card go down go to the ATM machine, press the button and take out cash right


so with mobile banking we can do it from our phone, but that also, presents another problem, because we can have hackers, easily hacking into our phone and date our mobile pins and banking pins and they can steal our money just like that whereas previously they would have to physically steal our ATM card and physically try to get the pin pin number before they can steal any money from us that's one thing


for the uh what you call that, for the, mobile banking and when you are saying about phone, phone right now we are, phones keep changing okay some of it it is good, but it also uh


gives us a very bad down point where our privacy is not gonna be there, whatever pictures that we take let's say how how can uh, this a scandal come out, how can an artist scandal or hollywood stars scandal all come out it's all through this leak information from their mobile phone so


that is not that that is not a good thing and , yeah


I I don't know about you but when you have to keep on changing, just just example , uh what you call that update your phone every every every time you have to keep updating keep updating sometimes when you update the thing crash so it is not


that of a good thing, it neither is that bad yeah so you see so if we have an, eh if you have an elderly person that uh, uh, kid needs to keep on changing there's there's only a there's only


us, that's not there's only how far that an elderly person can go you know, so, it might be good for the person but, it might not be always good, that's that's that's the key take away not always good


yeah it's a good thing eh, you use it yeah because we don't adapt and you were saying beggars on the street why does he why do they have to be on street because, things change their their their job might have been taken over by computers or


they might be fired because uh someone else is someone younger is taking over them you know, so some it may


uh I should not be banned, yes correct


I, totally agree what we're what with what you have been saying, but, I still believe that abortion should not be banned you should at least give a choice for the mother, to do what's right for the baby,


there's a there's a few reason why people go for abortion number one when you do the pap smear scan and you and they can find out that your kid is actually uh what you call that, special kid they have uh some uh what you uh dysfunctional something's that's dysfunctions dysfunctional with them or maybe they might have down syndrome


would it be fair for us, to, bring a down syndrome kid, on earth for the, a human a human might live until eighty years old so you want to bring a down syndrome kid to suffer for eighty years of his or her life


I don't think that's a good idea because, yup, it's just not a good idea it's it's it's torturing for a a for a person like that, and , an abortion should also not be banned because, due to medical reasons sometime


the the the the the woman when they are pregnant they have some complications and that complications could affect their life, so instead of going through with the nine months pregnancy and uh having a risk of a stillborn or having having a risk of the mother's death


we should just abort the baby in the first place and, err and what you call that, and make make make the mother safe because the mother can have another baby you know, but, another point is abortion should not be banned because people will still do


we have uh underage kids, the right now fourteen years old are doing unprotected sex so, do you have this kind of social issue social problems and uh and they might get pregnant and once they get pregnant, they might not want to tell their parents and they will go if if it's banned


they will they will go the other way the other road or the other route so they will, the they will take the unconventional methods like, punching their own stomach or drinking pineapple juice or apple cider I'm not so sure what what what what kids do nowadays but


abortion should never be banned because you will have to give them a choice you have to give the mothers a choice whether to carry on with the pregnancy or let the baby go, because, ultimately what we want is a healthy mother and healthy baby so


that's my main point that why abortion should not be banned, any week from four


from four to, that they right now there is I I I'm not so sure about the current practice now but there is a certain limit first trimester second trimester I think max under the third trimester or something like that, so the the the the the current law, is, as it is it's good it's just that it should not be banned it should be stay stay be there


definition of abortion means, as long as the baby is still in the stomach and it's not a complete, child or it's not a fully developed fetus or


it's not , ya you don't get what I mean it's not a fully developed, baby, then uh abortion is taking out, the baby's life


when what, in terms of an abortion how many weeks they they have thirty nine weeks in the womb right, so


any week ya


sorry I I I can't get you heartbeat what what is it, (uh huh), so long as the baby is still in the stomach abortion means taking out the baby from the stomach and ending that that pregnancy ending the baby's live


with or without I eh I I thought when when you are in a few weeks already you already have a heart their own heartbeat or something like that, but, to answer your question is with a heartbeat, (mmhmm)


(mmhmm)


so okay, unhealthy situation right, so okay what if we have a fourteen year old girl who's pregnant, will you still want her to go ahead, let's say at at fourteen years old when you get pregnant and your mum


disowns you so how are you going to raise that baby on yourself we are still schooling eh why are you depriving that unborn baby, a chance at live like how you, when your parents give birth to you, you have enough food you have house you have money you don't have to worry about a thing


so if it's a fourteen year old girl, and a very healthy pregnancy and she decides not to abort it what will happen of her child


if they are not ready for the pregnancy why would they, want to go through with it you know (mmhmm), I'm looking at the long term benefits of the child and the murder of the parents, I mean if if you're not ready why keep


and if you're not ready, accidents do happen you might have a baby sometimes somehow, but if you really are not ready and are not ready to take care of the baby both financially emotionally and you're not even ready to be a parent you'll be ending up


raising a kid that's of not, good value so you might neglect the kid when he's one or two and, you you might subject the kid to abuse and all this kind of thing why why take the why did why should we take the the risk of


that going through that route


ya okay so what what you are said uh, (uh huh), yes, so just


just based on morals abortion should not be banned, because as you know as as as you might not know or you might know uh the process of having an abortion in singapore is not that simple you couldn't just go to the hospital and say uh I don't want my baby


they will have to go through like three rounds of cycle cycle therapy or some psychological uh what is that counselling sessions and uh they tell them okay why you should not because during this counselling sessions they will say, they're all


pro life so they don't want you to abort your baby but if it has to come to a point where you have to abort then you have to do it, because, that's I I think that's our singapore government stun if I if stun if I'm not wrong, so that with that being said uh abortion should not be banned it should be open


but, you know you have to scrutinize uh you have to be you the the the clinics and the hospitals have to be very clear what's the reason for abortion


birth control okay, how okay understand I I I I totally get your point but, you are missing my point , abortion should, not be banned it should, the the the clinic should be open, it err you know


okay uh I have some statistics , several countries like switzerland belgium germany the netherlands they have a lower rate of, abortion that many countries, in which the practice is illegal this is because


countries that ban abortion, also banned or heavily restrict access to contraceptives, so like you said contraceptives birth control pill so if they ban abortion most likely the country will be be banning all these uh access to contraceptives and uh sex education, if


abortion is one option along, the along a set of family planning measures available to women, then I think abortion is quite safe, and it should still be legal, and uh the main reason why another reason why we should still it uh


abortion should still be legal is because, we have , uh we correct qualified doctors nurses to do the job, am I right


doctor if not qualified is not a doctor right


yeah it should yeah but


is he singapore's abortion law is not banned yet but we still have cases whereby, babies are thrown in the dumpsters babies are thrown somewhere in theater and in the dust bin you know, every one one at least once twice in a year there's definitely this this year like this earlier they said already a news about this uh baby being found


by the the the cleaner the <EX1>bangla</EX1> cleaner, so, even when it's not banned we have these kind of problems you know people will will uh just give birth, prematurely on their own, and that's even worst because


you it's it's dirty, it's unhygienic and you don't know what other complications you might have when you're doing self abortion, so if the if, if, it's not banned people like this will have an avenue to go they can go to uh government clinic and it's it's to be honest it's uh


it's confidential you know, that's what I read


(mmhmm)


yup yup, okay so all you were saying all this is based on a healthy babies so what if is the baby is not a healthy baby, or what it is a risky pregnancy


before you give birth, okay if just just say at at the at


at the fifth month when uh the babies uh found to be have down syndrome, so should it still be, so that is medically medical ah on medical grounds right


eh, part one debate topic one, uh sex work should be legal uh proposition is me gerald


I propose that sex work should be legal in singapore's context err because I feel that that is better to govern uh in terms of transmitted diseases and also it helps uh government in terms of taxation and overall it's


it is more pros the pros outweigh the cons


uh I think sex work although that's a it is being stigmatised I think in a, in majority of the countries we are all uh we we are all aware the that is something that is prevalent uh that that exists it is just that we our values and our beliefs that with uh inculcated over the years growing up


have have led us to think that there's uh I mean have has you know kind of stigmatized it , I do think the that is still a a profession uh regardless or, or, a work that somebody chooses and I mean who who's to who's to kind of say that their work you know it is a wrong choice uh I mean if they have to make ends meet they have to uh I'm sure they are aware that


you know, maybe it's not the most glorious of professions but that is not in the the government's uh, you know the purview the government has no right to govern what is a wrong job what is a uh, a bad job the government only has the uh right to be able to control uh these jobs for example if you were to look at construction the government can't do anything about it except to you know in put in place safety measures and


sex work should be legalized so that such safety measures could also be implemented


but that's a different crime altogether that is human trafficking if you the same could be said uh if sex work were not to be legalised then the crime rates uh in terms of say rape for example would increase or would not be reduced to a certain extent I think


having the assumption that legalizing sex work would increase uh say human trafficking is not, uh, quantitative


but if you look at singapore's context we have legalised sex work as well but we don't see an increase in human trafficking cases so I think that is that that goes down to


the systemic issue itself on uh you know how, do they have any laws on human trafficking and had it any external, , you know factors


yeah yeah I think I think women rights organisations or human rights organisations have the every right to to you know go against this, but uh rights uh put out there for the government uh they are not for the


the personal who who chooses to do this you know you uh they can they can propose as much err right as they want or, or, vote for as much choice for women as the one but you can't help a person choose the course of work that he or she chooses


uh I think if you pick singapore as an example which uh I think singapore is carrying it out fairly well


the laws in place or the sort of like employment passes in place procedures that are going to granting such, profession legal it has actually helped uh, you know like what you say uh human trafficking for example help curb that because you


you have to apply to the board uh to get a sort of like employment pass or, work pass in order to do this kind of stuff, , and in singapore's context there are many other jobs out there for for instance one could be a, could be a cleaner or could I mean I mean could do anything uh if you're saying using your body as a medium for work then wouldn't the same be said as a cobbler or I don't know what's the there's no there's no any difference between a sex worker and a cobbler


uh what's clouding this is just our vision because both, I would in a very blunt sense is boils down to uh skill sets


but that should not you know dissuade, , the government from making sex work legal because if sex work is illegal then you run the risk of you know increase infections uh you run the risk of you know people having uh syndicates for example


uh, operating with you know human trafficking for for instance because if you legalise it is easier to track uh you can track the source of the tax payments you know who whether is being run by syndicate you are able to know the place of operations which you could


you know you could easily conduct uh checks if you wish to because it's it's legal and it gives the government the jurisdiction to step in there, , and you are able to implement measures such as in singapore I think the sex workers have to go for annual checkup


and this also curbs the the the issue that singapore used to face where uh people came in on uh tourist pass or visitor pass and they were performing sex work illegally


uh but that's a a personal personal choice though wouldn't it, it is very micro uh what we are looking at is the macro factors uh essentially


uh seeing how it's being stigmatised one now think that they will be judged entering such a profession, , and to your point on it being forced on onto that to them about them being forced uh in singapore there are actually a lot of uh


in most individual that provide sexual services who uh do so willingly because they see it as something that as a profitable in the short term, uh and you know


helps them get by


I do admit that there are some cons but I feel that legalising it, would have the pros outweigh the cons, because that gives you an element of control of it it might not be the best it might not be ideal uh profession but it's about how how you mitigate the risk


it's it's interesting you mention syndicates because if I were a syndicate I, I don't think you make a difference to me whether sex work is legal in fact I might make it I might be in favor of being illegal uh if as a syndicate I why should I operate within the legal boundaries when I could uh be tax free for me and it'll be beneficial since


my business already uses you know illegal uh employees


yes uh, okay I will think that you know as a syndicate will not


be in favor of operating outside of the legal boundaries since you know it wouldn't make a difference to you uh where the sex work is legal or not so it's not, I'd I'd it wouldn't make sense to attribute in legalising sex work as increasing you know human trafficking I think if it's that profitable business they were just do it anyway


but then that is an assumption you are making when you are saying that by legalising sex work you are actually increasing demand because what statistics did you have to rely on when it was illegal and the businesses were done in the dark uh the only reason we have stats because it's been legalised and the stats would help you you know be able to analyze the situation going forward


I feel that there would still be the same case even if sex work were not legal, so the only con is the increase in human trafficking


the stigma is not something that the government can control with policies I think stigma is you know it's like it is form based on our beliefs and our views of things you can't change views you can't change perspectives of people and which is why that something that should not one should not try to govern even if you legalise or or


or it, it's being illegal uh it still wouldn't change the the the idea of it because the change to view you know it's been proven to that you require two generations at least


I think legalising it would would not affect this because even if it is sex work illegal uh and you'll never find out about it they're still going to have the same opinions


in fact, in fact, I don't think one with such a profession would want to openly discuss such issues uh rather uh her career his her career unless you know,


I don't know even my neighbours don't know what I do


part two debate topic two, charity work should be made compulsory uh gerald proposition here uh propose that charity work should be made compulsory because I feel that inculcates values uh especially so for young students and I think they should be made uh compulsory as part its syllabus and also as part of


you know, uh companies in the they should incorporate this in their programmes uh, of say uh, getting their employees uh, of including employees in a charity work


I think it's not just about I think the charity the word charity should not be seen in the strict sense uh charity work gives you what exposure much like how we when when uh when we were studying we were exposed to you know this uh


we had this CEP hours, or some some hours that we had to accumulate, err, and we basically like I think back when we were in primary school we had a lot of this kind of uh exposure which I've I feel it's been removed from the syllabus now I think if you are not exposed to the plight of people who are less fortunate you'll not be able to uh


you'll not be able to see what they're going through you'll not be able to understand you know how fortunate you are and such charity work which's often covered by the alternative media uh actually helps us see things in a different light


I think it's not something that has to be long term it could be maybe uh once a year uh, for schools let's take schools for an example to incorporate it in the syllabus, if it's a long term then long term you know implementation then I do agree with you that that you've been you shouldn't force it upon someone because that would like you said someone uh you know not want to do the work properly or


it might backfire for some reason uh but at least giving people the opportunity that to be exposed would help would help them in their their views uh on society would also help them to be more passionate uh


uh, compassionate rather


for this point I do agree with you that you know uh interestingly you mentioned charity work due to a monetary incentive I don't think charity work should inculcate monetary terms


uh I've seen it I think we have all been through it to some extent where we are given fundraising cards to try to raise money uh I don't think that the right way charity work should be done I think charity work should be you know helping out in a soup kitchen or you know as simple as helping out at the salvation army to sort items that people uh donate


or to you know just give handouts at less fortunate estates, so that you are exposed I mean how many of us can safely say that we have seen how a one room HDB flat live by a eighty-year-old look like, you know


we've only we've only seeing it because you know you seen it on on alternative media or it might someone took a video of it, and, say we don't have any of them how how would we then be exposed to that will not unless in an opportunity was to given to us in the form of making charity work compulsory


but that is that is monetary and I I I mean you don't have to do charity work does not have to be in the form of


uh, they are not to be monetary forms it could be actions like helping out in a soup kitchen for example scooping soup and giving out food to the old folks or, or , you know


no I don't think the charity work that that is that should be made compulsory should be linked to monetary contribution I'm in fact I'm I'm strongly against that uh I think monetary


but it's not right to make such an assumption I think the the underlying uh, you know the underlying proposition here is to make it compulsory to provide exposure to students uh and you know to workers for example students because you know that helps them inculcate values in them uh and and you know in a workspace setting


because that helps uh you noted not just locals but foreigners as well see the plight that singapore is in


(mmhmm) (mmhmm)


, but say if they were say if what I'm proposing were to be non monetary charity work charity work in the form of your time


would you then not feel that it should be made compulsory even say the school were to take it out from their own time uh you know they take one afternoon to eradicate all the classes and just make it compulsory


or or national service for example one afternoon and they let you leave at five or four


but it makes sense to have it uh, as part of a student's curriculum I mean I to a certain extent yes maybe employ my full force, but


but then that doesn't it doesn't matter whether the students complain or not the what matters here is giving them exposure


but that issues that issues stands from uh the programme that's being the charity programme that's being put in, place is not about, the idea that charity work should not be made compulsory the the reason why you have the scenario they described is because maybe the person who planned it maybe the school for example did not do a good job to involve


everyone who is uh you know supposed to be part of the excess


no we just need one that involves you know everybody so that you won't have like just five to ten people working on the charity work but the rest you know loitering around


not I mean you have, yup yup they can exactly which is why you won't have the entire cohort serving one uh charitable organisation at any one point in time it should be you know


distributed that the work should be distributed evenly across the court across different levels across different schools and if it's something that is being made compulsory it's easier to plan there's a system in place there's a system you can put in place


for the charity organisations to work with the schools, so that the planning does not have to fall on the teachers but it falls on the charitable organisation to stick because they themselves know what help is uh what help they require


so then you can say that that is not suited to them but they are provided the opportunity to


to come to make a uh basis of comparison between the plight they're in and somebody else who's less fortunate


I think in the age of say social media uh, , the basis of comparison that a lot of kids have is comparing upwards of how unfortunate they are, compared to the people that they are following on say instagram


uh but that is that is the that is the the issue why you know we have so many you know cases of teenage suicides or or kids feeling depressed uh, more, kids going more kids going to counselling now, because they are comparing themselves to things that are not realistic whereas if you were to make charity work of compulsory they see what is real and what is on the ground


and they're able to realise that they are actually in a far more fortunate position or plight than they thought they were unwise in


so you feel that making charity work compulsory would help someone develop the perspective, of, , , you know being negatively averse to to somebody who's in the less fortunate position


but the thing can be said for a lot of things you know if you were to implement something, err if you, may implement taxation not everyone's going to overrun the government I think that is uh I think that's not a fair assumption to make


if you are putting it as part of a curriculum, I think that is fine if you are forcing it down people's throat uh I don't think that's fine because you are going to school to adhere to the curriculum if it's mandated or passed down by MOE is part of curriculum that is something that the school cannot decide it is part of uh national learning is part of you know


personal development I think that's fine nobody has any saying to it I think the students were not, be averse to it it's like forcing you to learn mathematics or science we we just did what we are told to do


part three debate topic three, uh gerald proposition for death penalty should be abolished uh feel the death penalty should be abolished because everyone deserves a second chance


and I don't think we should uh you know I've seen several cases where first timers uh were you know sent to the death penalty, so I feel that this is uh


I just feel that everyone deserves a second uh opportunity to to prove themselves whether it may a close ecosystem or, or and a, society


I actually feel that uh you know a a death penalty might be uh


uh paddle off, for someone knowing that you know they'll just die anyway if they were to kill someone, , I think that's the easy way out I think a greater deterrent is letting people know that if they were to commit a heinous crime