you can still be a dropout and you can still be a billionaire for example but do you actually know that bill gates actually borrowed money from his mother from whose who was working at IBM back then to actually fund for his for his venture in in


for for Microsoft right so for example like uh jeff bezos, for example, currently the world's richest man when he started Amazon he didn't started with uh you know some bank some bank


idea in the air but it all started with knowledge in retail knowledge in, commerce so all these comes from formal education and I'm not saying that people do who doesn't have this education cannot succeed but it will actually be harder for them ya so that that's my kind of in between


perspective on on education


ya I think I think with end there ended this lah


right right right , okay, okay to a certain extent education does provide, the general math or or the do's and don't and know how to be more mannered and civilised in their day to day life but I I I do believe that err I mean going back to the the topic of


the solution to the problem of crime with education is a bit too great ah and it, to a certain extent yes it does err provide a a a, the treatment but not necessarily the cure to it uh to to to crime reason being because I I I in fact I also believe crimes


err that are done with that are that are committed right err by educated and knowledgeable people are much more damaging than the crimes of of of that means those people who are particularly, not as educated right uh because the person who was committing the crime even if he's an educated person right


axiomatically err axiomatically means like you know err objective instinct will will will will know that it's a right and wrong thing, killing people is wrong raping people is wrong stealing is wrong and this comes from a very instinctive err instinctive nature of a human being right yes to a certain extent education actually grooms or carves this notions of the rights and the wrong


but you can't tell me that a a a a educated person does not know that he's committing a crime more often they not they know they're committing a crime they know it is wrong right and to a certain extent they they're even using their quote unquote education to commit crimes


and and and going back to my earlier point that it can be even more damaging or even will be more uh unseen to the uh to the to the public's eye like for example right do you know about the guy who actually studied computer science in NTU right educated


but he actually uses his knowledge his education to actually hack into Kopitiam card, you know and ya ya ya so so that is one of one one of for example of using education as a form to commit crime and education is not necessarily beneath the the solution to the to to to the problem of crime crime actually goes back to way goes way back to more


of feelings like jealously greed lust so on and so forth right did these things are pertinent in everyone irregardless of educational err level so a person who does a crime is actually based on, on his err a deeper instinct it err instinctive


err err you know , values from a human being so I believe that and and and sorry just to just to just just remembered you mentioned about in singapore right especially in singapore's context whereby you know they teaches us moral and and education


and and so on and so forth but if you were to see or even on the demographics right human are a numbers game right, more than half if not half of of the of the crime committers in singapore are actually people who who have education they lie they fraud con and these are people just


like you and me are you now well educated right and they're still commit a crime you know what I mean and the singapore's way of of trying to groom you know younglings or or teenagers there are moral and civic education that you mention


to me it's is definitely important but is is not necessarily a solution, to to, to the problem of crime the reason why singapore is actually, quite err I would say relatively crime low low in crime rates right I believe like we don't we don't it's not like every day we see someone getting murdered its not everyday we see gang related activities and the reason the reason to that is because our of our stringent laws


because of the laws that were in placed right and and and the law actually tap on again the instinctive uh the instinctive value of a human being of a human being which is fear right if I were to go very deep right now


it has a thats a that's a that's a no go that's already a ten to twelve years in jail is not going to be worth so is is the stringent of the laws that actually again, to a certain to a by by large extent, actually curbs the problem of crime I I I'm not saying that it's it's a solution to the problem of crime but it curbs


err curbs the the problem of crime to larger extent compared to just education because I believe education is just a means of of uh again if you go back to our previous first second first and second topics right education is relatively a


more of a of a of a of a, a intellectual intellectual grooming intellectual evolution but if you are talking about crimes more often than not it's nothing to do with intellect it's more often comes it comes from


you know the restrictive human uh a human, values like you know jealousy lust greed so on and so forth and and and and that that just my my my view on actually and I I actually do not agree that the solution to the problem of crime is uh education


right , I, I I I understand where you're coming from uh an initiative with perfect utility, and for example in scandinavia where actually the the the prison or the prisoners


actually went through proper rehabilitation rather rather than actual punishment compared to the US in the US their prison are literally punishment they don't go through rehabilitation there's there's no there's no , you know proper


proper programs to make sure that the convicts actually can integrate back to society after they are released, and because of that the prisoner in the US compared to the scandinavian countries when they go out they're more likely uh on a large percentage they're more likely to re-commit crime they're looked more likely to to to you know to to what they do uh they they did before right


and yes usually with perfect utility that you know for example, in singapore's context right even for convicts who uh who uh who have been inside the prison who may have committed what whatever crime they might have committed right there are actually programs like you know they meet now can take their O level or A level exam right they can go through uh you know


courses that only involve their premotorial cortex you know things like assembling things and all that and these are some of the rehabilitation programmes or what we would like to call their education that actually kind of prevents the the the inmates from committing crime again


right but these are people if you are talking about education that they do not having said that that it kinds of, mean that prior, prior to, to that education or rehabilitation that they received in the prison they do not have that education


they do not have that education that's why only after they went through rehabilitation right err and proper education took or the right or the wrong then they know that oh actually you know what I've what I've done is wrong I'm I'm remorseful so I want to go home but


again going back to the problem of crime, even even educated person like I mean like we all know about when in US right, come on you're at NUS where the top schools in in in in in even globally right you can't you can't you can't go to someone and say that oh NUS eh


the guy from NUS knows that you know all those all those ah capturing uh videos of of women of of of upskirts and and all that it it you can't tell me he doesn't know that's wrong I mean after all he's from NUS he's educated right


but he still commits those crimes even comparing to the inmates who who you know actually rehabilitated, this guy in NUS already have formal education with him and he still commit the crime, you get what I'm saying where I'm coming from here so so so again the the two I I definitely agree you that you know education to to to to to a certain extent right actually prevent


or or or or like I said prevents the problem of crime but it does not necessarily cure or it's not necessary the absolute solution to the problem of of of crime right there then you can have the smartest kid around and he or she might still commit


crimes right, you can have the most art you can I I've I've I mean we have definitely come across people who are not as educated but morally you know and err err their moral ethics are way better than an educated person who have had formal education in in


school for example, so the again going back the the the, where the problem of crime is not necessarily err


education is the solution, eh if if by far by far by far I would still believe that uh stringent laws, or or or or or like I say fear right actually curbs crime more than education ya ya


so you actually if you if you uh I mean I may be wrong but just for visualization sake for example if you put you know ten ten a PHD holders in the room and ten non-PHD holders err


I mean sorry PSLE holders in a in a room right and if you and and and you you were to throw some some some vice activities going on I'm I'm pretty sure, out of the out of out of the out of the the the the the two group right I'm pretty sure the PHD holders their education their educational level plays a certain role to tell them that !hey! actually it's not right to be doing this but as a human being !hey! no one's watching


right, and if you and it's the same for the other group whereby it doesn't matter if they they they are PLSE holders they will still do it and do and and I, I I I dare to say that they may or may not know that it's wrong but I will believe that going back to human instructive values whereby axiomatically both groups according to the human nature will still commit to vice activities


irregardless of what educational uh what educational level they might they holding so so eh there's there's to me there's no absolute solution to the problem of crime, but err err err


if you were to compare between proper education and more stringent laws I would say, uh stringent laws , that that based on the human instrictive values are way more effective in curbing crime as a whole


and I believe that's what had been working well singapore thus far right and even if you imagine that the NU guys the the NUS guy who got who got caught was only what actually got caught you imagine how many more are there, err right ya ya so ya so that's that's that's my my my view ah


oh hold on I'm sorry I think my phone blanked out


ya it's it's stopped at the thirteenth minute ya


sorry sorry ya go ahead david


okay does modern technology always improve the quality of


necessities the wealth


and the communication necessities in the sense that uh we are, modern technology have eased us in communication uh whereby we uh communicate anywhere in the world we ease communication ah because humans


I mean human need interaction and uh with with the ease of communication uh internet


this is this will improve the communication between uh, uh , people and uh family friends you know uh, uh in the sense of uh necessities uh like uh online shopping


we can , we can uh, , we can uh improve , uh the choices that we make uh


err distance is no longer a a a factor whereby , we can have uh everything at our own fingertips, you know uh this uh this, will improve time management uh in a way improving the quality of peoples life uh even though you're busy and stuff like that you can you can


grab some stuff and find, time okay so in a way modern technology fills up the gap of , the gap of uh, uh time and also


, , , increase


, the use of machines ya like washing machine make it easier, for us rather than the manual you know uh so


ya I'm done


alright thank you Shafiq , uh , so modern technology equals to pollution yes of course there will be pollution but without modern technology there will also be pollution uh previously you see singapore it was very dirty


then the revolutionise of industrialise you know uh and uh now, can see with modern technology uh we managed to clear the clarke quay see clarke quay is very clean now with than previously you know


uh uh all this uh pollution come from, the ships so with modern technology we other than uh pollutions that previously was already previous !huh!


I'm also


it it will still be uh you know with modern technology we, also uh can uh know how to clean the beaches


and also we know about uh recycling uh projects because with modern technology we know how to uh, uh, uh regenerate back uh clean waters from uh polluted waters ya so uh other


than that like mentioned by uh Shafiq about scammers and uh uh data, uh, uh leakage uh I see there is just a cream of the cake uh there will always be


uh, people who who are hackers previously uh, uh, uh without all this technology there there are already hackers uh hacking into our bank account details and stuff like that but the ease of using online uh


accessibility anywhere in the world okay uh doesn't mean you have to go to the ATM to draw the money you can do it anywhere so that is uh, uh, the ease of technology the modern technology that creates very


uh, for a uh improving the quality of people's life lah so other than that , uh I have no other things uh maybe Shafiq can add on


so you're talking about uh suicidal , uh cyber bullies ya that is that is part of effects of, modern technology but improving it it's just the ethics you know how you're brought out with


, uh family support uh ya with modern technology you are well known I mean uh information gets faster and then uh


~port of the community you know cause the communication is very very clear, so we are more aware we are more aware of our surroundings, and,


and the benefit of the society but not a thing that uses human as its tool so I believe if we we use modern technology correctly to the right extend it can greatly improve the quality of peoples life


uh you can spend more time with the family instead of uh washing your clothes you know you you can


of all that so , I believe that if we use correctly uh it can greatly improve the quality of peoples life but not to the extent of always improving


ya so Shafiq


ya to wrap it up yes children are the future of our generation and uh we see modern technology as being a part of our life and we hope to improve it every time ya


debate topic two, is effective farming possible without science so for me it is possible with without science ya we go through


, farming as early as we can remember you know from uh, for malay uh malay community we , our race to remember rice as part of our diet diet and meal so uh rice have been a very part of uh a big part of a malay community and uh it southeast asian or asian community so from there we can see


, , uh farming is possible without science effective farming uh, for uh to go towards uh sustaining for the whole family yes uh and also with without science also they can


country you know, uh, other than that we all know that , organic is always uh more expensive uh so organic shows that without science and that interference of


chemical fertilisers it is uh effective farming is possible and is uh proved to be more preferred because you with uh , lesser chemical introduction into our food intake


uh, equals to more demand uh we don't want to, be consuming a lot of err uh or to be dependant on uh chemicals for farming uh and then uh let me see


uh, uh Shafiq can we change


instead of uh turning on the spray guns at the first sight of weed or insect uh like uh mister uh terry gips the executive director of the international alliance of sustainable agriculture


he mentioned that they need the base uh of farm production on a better understanding of a complex interaction in nature ah in the sense uh back to nature back to , by thinking harder uh we can design even better system to reduce chemical dependancy in farming so uh in a sense science uh in my context will be the chemical dependancy


ah so (hmm) in order for for it to work uh we can do it without science , we go back to uh it is uh very it takes time because two to three years uh down the road uh as they need uh


uh, after planting of corn, they will plant rice and then they will plant other soy uh and then the the nutrient from the soy, will be uh very rich and then when they uh go back to planting of corn it will


be a better quality and organic uh without the use of uh fertilisers and without the use of uh chemical uh pesticides ya that is from my point of view


Shafiq no


okay uh in my uh point of view effective farming is possible without science maybe it uh, it is possible so the possibility of effective farming is possible without science uh we don't have to be dependant on science uh we still stick


to the nature give of the seed we don't have to, add more chemicals more err, chemical and bio hazard you know because of science there's uh you know mad cow disease uh


uh chicken flu and stuff like that because of science uh all these diseases come about so effective farming without science is possible and it's, now prove that uh we look for organic products


uh so in a in a sense uh the the demand for organic products is widely uh spread across all supermarkets uh there will be organic products


just a shell for it and people don't mind paying if they don't mind paying so their farming works, uh and they get, to reap more profit uh from from that from


bring back to nature so their effectiveness without science uh in a sense back to , uh where uh the chicken and the egg and then not uh producing egg just on its own we still need the chicken uh so back to nature back to life cycle


uh we can do it uh effective farming can uh is possible without science, so uh it depends on individual preference but to me uh we know that uh chemical dependancy must uh must be reduced


and uh in, the way it will effect our livelihood uh uh for us uh being uh in the sense our health uh we tend to be uh there's always complication


like uh, recently because of the virus uh around us mutation that is because of science uh so is possible, and uh it is effective for uh for my stand uh how greatly effective uh without science uh that one is depend on


uh the, oppositions point uh but for my point I still stand at uh it is effective uh without science uh back to nature ya


ya mutation of science, mutation of diseases flu uh between uh human and and uh from animals to human so that mutation uh was because of science


it's of our health uh our, genetic uh we won't be so fat so easily you know we won't be so tired so easily uh because of all this science uh intervention so uh people see the need


uh for for goods to be organic, from effective farming without science


that's the thing is, , that is why, that is why uh the, the food uh from malaysia you see the the crops that we see that we buy the leafy products they tend to have holes


, in uh on the leaf itself so the holes shows shows that it is natural for for caterpillars or or or are the best to be around the crops uh and then uh ya back to nature lah


also part of science and but it is natures way of science, ah we don't have to intervene, we don't have to intervene so much on nature, ya, that intervention is for me in science


as uh as explained earlier for me uh way before scientists was born way before uh investigations way before all these


intervention chemical dependancy is always back to nature so it effective farming is possible uh that's how we are brought up that's how generations live uh, uh, and ya that's my point uh for me science is always chemical


debate topic three , , , okay for this topic is uh artificial intelligence should be embrace


artificial intelligence should be embrace since it is an inevitable yes, for my, uh, for my uh point is we have to accept


artificial intelligence with an open heart because uh due to technology uh , uh, err we need uh l artificial intelligence to make people better uh in the sense uh smart system and communities in vehicles in buildings and uh utilities on


farms in business uh at in business system that will save time save money save lives, to offer opportunities for individual to enjoy a more customised future so for me artificial


intelligence should be embrace should, be welcome since uh since uh we we are going towards uh more on uh always improving uh) for the whole community uh moving forward uh we know that


artificial intelligence will uh, will be uh is now ongoing ah, uh so uh we we want automated doors we appreciate a smart ah monitoring this system


more on on uh, other uh other activities uh that , , that don't require so much on a human ya so uh Shafiq


ya artificial intelligence are we are, are, we need artificial intelligence in the sense automated like you see on the LRT we don't need MRT captains to to operate okay we just need uh


uh LRT system ah, uh in a way it is uh, easier to control uh it is easier to manage uh for for like uh like Shafiq mentioned uh the Tesla cars it is


but that that can be carefully curated to uh because uh humans are the one who uh who create this , uh this artificial intelligence and they are also the one who will be controlling and be the upper hand of uh


all these uh machines because they are the one controlling and it's not machine controlling a machine no is humans controlling machine so in my point of view uh it should be embraced as we at the end of the line will be the one controlling ah uh and


we cannot stop uh artificial intelligence because it is a demand ah back to the future you know the movie uh we need it gives us hope hope that we can , actually uh video without even going up the sky you know we used drone uh to capture our moments to capture the scenery around us without even comprising uh compromising our safety


so with the help of uh artificial intelligence and monetary system we are able to improve our life, in the sense more uh exposure uh more,


quality of uh pictures for memories uh, ease of use uh like uh using, using a thumbprint instead of a key okay so that is uh in a way uh improving our everyday uh


everyday routine ya with artificial, technology eh artificial intelligence ya Shafiq you have anything to add


with artificial intelligence they can detect the dog from anywhere


uh


improve our driving skills because uh we can know what is coming uh, we can sense okay is going to rain if we can see uh what uh is there any accidents in front so they will predict and they will uh analyse so that is artificial intelligence in my uh my point of view like uh


we don't need uh emotions we don't need gut feeling , for driving to take us from A to B we just need to be there safely so unless it's uh, uh, uh coming to terms like taking care of elderly of course there should be human after all interactions uh we cannot be dependant on robots because they don't know uh they don't know how to read they don't know how to read


uh Apa, you know they don't know how to read body language they don't know how to uh know the tone of our voice uh , whether they're actually angry uh for in my in my stand view


uh for human to take care of human still a human but for artificial intelligence uh we still welcome them uh because it will uh with artificial intelligence also we will know when it's going to uh rain and then we will be more prepared


uh we , uh automation that comes automation uh uh, uh, uh and also let me see uh what did I put oh smart system yes smart system for the community so we need artificial intelligence


and it should be welcomed so that we can explore new and, , uh, uh new ways of life uh to improve ah so since it is it is uh proved to be a very helpful we should embrace and then uh in a way that it is controlled but it should be embraced ah so that is my point of view


job losses ya, there will be uh job losses uh of course because uh machines tend to work faster than humans


uh if it is repetitive of course we we depend on machines uh artificial intelligence but if we need a human decision uh controlling we still need , uh someone who will control this artificial intelligence


uh once we embrace uh this uh AI it will be discussed uh it we will know how to tackle and then uh we will move towards, a high flying car you know you don't have to be on the road uh you'll be back uh we we can have cars that are uh flying up in the air since


uh, and all that ya Shafiq


ya how do you uh for my point we need to embrace it to face it and then to embrace it again and to face the consequences there will always be consequences on the road and there will there will always be trial and error but we have to welcome


uh artificial intelligence to know what will be the uh possible causes of uh concerned, and with that with artificial intelligence itself we can counter we can counter whatever consequences we will have in the future so that is my point of view uh Shafiq is right it should be controlled but uh we need to embrace in


order to know what uh the future holds for us we need to embrace, to to to explore new things how to improve uh our life daily ya, so uh welcoming uh artificial intelligence into our life is a a good


step towards modern technology yes


okay alright uh so my debate is uh


I do not agree that, technology always improves the quality of peoples life uh we are talking about modern technology uh one okay uh in a way sometimes we don't realise it but modern technology has adverse effect on the on the environment K number one pollution


okay it contributes a lot to air, pollution noise pollution water pollution, from where from producing all the uh technologies that we use today uh so the things like


our mobile phone our smartphones our laptops computers uh of course we use it but uh do we realise that, this uh, uh is being produced and uh at the same time uh it is causing a lot of pollution , uh singapore generates about sixty thousand tonnes of E waste annually


okay uh and of course uh, as we know that technology is rapidly improving uh not by years is by months uh as you can see new handphones are coming out every months uh for example lah the new


iPhone or the new Samsung or the new uh Huawei Oppo is uh constantly, coming out uh eight nine ten eleven twelve so every six months every one year uh new phones are coming out and what happens to the old phones some people they can reuse it but uh at the same time some uh uh actually throws it away and uh this contribute a lot to E waste okay


uh, consumption of too much energy okay uh of course uh depletes uh natural resources K such as uh fossil fuels K and in turn it also leads to global warming


uh at the same time okay uh when we talk about how it's not a good for, people uh I mean smartphone uh like what Hafizah mentioned about communication yes it is good in uh in some sense but uh we do see today at the dinner table


okay uh people are too engrossed on their phones uh and they're not socialising K uh and of course when it comes to uh modern technology that's also a two sides to it okay, people can use it for the good


and if it's in the wrong hands it can also uh lead to, negative things K can see a rise in scamming and a rise in phishing and a rise in uh, hacking okay uh due to uh


modern technology that is available in the hands of this so called uh hackers or scammers, and stuff like that okay, and they're use making use of this technology, okay uh, whereas where we are using a lot of uh online shopping okay a lot of online shopping a lot of uh


internet banking online banking if these are actually areas where it can be uh risky uh and uh, where we are not careful uh hackers and uh scammers can easily attack or hack into our account and uh ya they can uh actually


use up our money I I have faced it uh myself, uh in the past, where suddenly like four hundred dollars five hundred dollars were just missing from my bank account, uh but luckily the bank


that is the risk there okay whereby uh modern technology has, also open path for hackers and uh scammers uh, to actually, scheme their way uh on into our bank accounts into company profiles uh into uh


uh how to say uh datas which uh secret I would say uh you know private datas okay, and yup, uh and another thing I want to touch on is a rise in cyber bully


okay uh okay, I I I'd stop then I would continue later on


I tap on my smartphone


uh ya my smartphone went blank and it stopped, uh ten minutes


so now what do I do I record or or, okay sorry about that


okay so I I believe Hafizah is mentioning about uh there may be uh, of course there will always be hackers there will always be uh pollution uh there will always be uh negativity when it comes but but but that's the point I made uh the question is does modern technology look always improve uh so my my point is it's not always improving because there's always negative


uh part of it uh so uh in addition to that uh I would say that uh that, is also a spike uh a rise in a cyber bullying okay uh so I mean there's uh three out of four teenagers uh have actually experienced cyber


bullying uh at one point or another in their teenage years I guess uh so, during this uh, it can effect them uh emotionally it can effect them uh, their it can effect their they they have low self esteem okay they it can affect them psychologically and


the worst part is uh there has been spike in suicide cases whereby it is due to or because of uh cyber bullying, uh I mean I I believe we have read before there was this uh K pop star I think maybe a year back or maybe uh


few months back uh where she is uh committed suicide and uh it was partially due to uh cyber bullying whereby people uh give uh malicious internet comments on her social, media and uh one way or another it it has affected her and uh unfortunately she it has led


to her committing suicide okay, now another part in terms of our help uh whereby we use laptop computer handphones uh on a regular basis more than ever okay it has affect a lot on our


eyes okay uh sixty three percent of people prefer the use computer handphones instead of reading books instead of going out uh and do physical activities and this is damaging their eyes K due to the blue light, that is being emitted from our laptops from our handphones okay uh so it harms the retina okay and uh


as you can see uh the number of people wearing specs ya has increase over the the years especially during this period whereby modern technology has a, it was supposed uh it was before okay so ya


that's all from my side


that's that's my point because it doesn't always improve so uh as err as I I mentioned uh I agree that there there will be it is where of course ya modern technology, improves our lives K that's, no doubt about it okay we have uh smartphones where we can keep ourselves connected but at the same time


where does the problem lies okay we need to understand okay uh, in in terms of pollution that uh, these smartphones or this modern technology is uh, exposing our environment too okay uh it generates a lot of pollution and uh the negativity


when it comes to modern technology like what I mentioned earlier in regard, to uh cyber bullying hacking uh in regards to uh, our health whereby we, have a


okay where we, have, we we spend lesser time uh doing physical activities children nowadays, uh I mean I see it for I with my own two eyes okay they're just not communicating not social, not socialising with one another they socialise on the on the phone but the problem is they're not socialising with people right in front of them and that is a problem that uh that we have to look into and we have to tackle


uh from there you can see that uh, children nowadays are are not uh, uh, as much as I I mean from, when when we grew up okay when we do a lot of uh physical activities uh I mean the, play outside you know uh


I mean nowadays the children are just at home uh wrapped up in their phone in front of their phone, and it does have a lot of negative effect on that on on your health


see in the in the future I mean uh when they grow up what what will become of them in terms of uh their social lives and uh social ability to talk and to uh communicate with people I mean when they are


always uh using their phone instead to do all these things, right, so that's all from my side


debate topic two


okay so, I uh is effective farming, possible without science no I don't agree okay because from the beginning of time uh


uh, science even at the most simplistic uh form was used for farming uh so ya, uh ya we talked about farming uh we're talking about when it comes to what are the priorities of the organisation okay is it to maximize outputs uh by using chemicals or is it to


uh make the the food as healthy as possible uh prevent pests and uh, whatever form of uh rodents from eating up their crops so all these all these things when it comes to a different types of farming requires some form of science whether big or small to grow


uh in terms of their ability of the farmers themselves or even uh their their experience uh, to grow the crops or to, rear uh sheep or cows or uh or or goats okay uh whether big or small science ya is involved in in regards to how they grow their crops especially when it comes to large skills acres of lands


uh definitely science would play a part, okay uh in terms of the location in terms of the fertilisation that is being use the amount of fertilisation that they have to use for their crops and the amount of uh uh


seeds that they need uh the types of seeds there's that they need uh to grow their crops okay, but one thing I do agree that uh that there is some point whereby uh these uh farming uh, do lead to some form of pollution in in terms of greenhouse effect uh from


uh uh rearing of cows and uh, from uh their uh plantation of crops okay uh just take a look at like what Hafizah mentioned in regards to uh farming uh indonesia whereby uh they burned down


crops of land to make way for farming uh so it leads to haze so these are practically low uh how to say uh, budget way of clearing the forest for farming and it leads to a lot of uh air pollution


so this is where uh they even that I I I would say has, some form of science to that uh so I I believe science is part of life uh, it whether whether is a big or small and for effective farming definitely science is required because they need to understand


the type of fertilisation the type of soil okay uh the type of uh environment that they need to, to grow the crops okay so for them to have the most uh efficient the most uh output of uh crops or materials or or or


uh growth of their crops okay definitely science uh plays a very big part in that K that's all from my side for now


pesticides no, ya ya I mean is reduction, reduction or zero definitely there's reduction I I think there's definitely a a some


form of chemical being used I I do believe that uh they can reduce, the amount of chemicals the amount of fertilisers, okay they can identify energy saving uh opportunities where their where it's possible uh in regards to uh managing their farm


uh it for example okay they also can look into protecting their what the wildlife are on the on their working land uh they can improve the farming condition K they can select high higher qualities feed to feed on their, to feed uh their their stocks


okay so that uh they have lesser amount of methane uh that leads to global warming, okay so I mean there is there is possibility where they can reduce or they can uh reduce amounts of chemicals amount of uh pesticide uh amount of fertilisers but definitely that is where science come in


okay that is where science come in uh ya that that from there they can calculate the amount of uh fertilisers that these plant or these animals requires, uh so that it can grow to its optimum, uh that's where it makes it effective and effective farming effective when and you ask me what is effective it has to be something which is uh cost effective something which is uh environmentally friendly and something which has uh it


grows uh, output uh there's a good healthy output of crops growing okay and that that is where science have to play a part uh whereby uh with from, the science of it uh from understanding the biological uh of the characteristic of the plants or whatever they are growing the animals uh the biology of the animals that's where they can understand and they can input uh the necessary amount of


uh fertilisers or the necessary amount of uh food the necessary amount of chemicals pesticides to ensure that


that is where effective farming is, possible, is not possible without science, it is not possible without science somehow was some way science, will definitely play a part uh, and when you talk we're talking about the most efficient and the most uh


uh maximising outputs, okay science definitely plays a very huge part especially when talking about big organisation K science has been plays a very huge part in the effective farming Hafizah


okay I mean uh you're saying that virus uh is due to science I mean where where where does that come from


ya I mean you mentioned that virus was due to the was due to science I mean


okay I mean uh you're talking about organic food I mean uh, uh, in your point of view where does this organic food come from, what do you mean by effective farming without science I mean there's for these organic food comes from farms is not as I mean there are some organic foods where they pluck from uh


the nature uh I mean maybe durians but it's still from farm is a durian farm is a durian plantation uh unless you are talking about Kampung durian, where they they go inside and and pick a durian from the durian tree okay uh those maybe you can talk about organic hundred percent organic it's from the nature but you are talking about organic products on the market those are farms and when they come from farm


there's always science being put into it so, in one way or another science is always been part of a farming uh so, uh, I mean how do we how are we going to stop weeds from growing on the crops how we going to stop the rodents or bugs or caterpillars from worms from eating the plants chemicals there there's always chemicals being put put in onto the plants


and it is ah ya


so you are saying that those farms don't don't input any form of science into growing their crops, just because ya


I mean from the fertilisation , so you are saying that intervention is science whereas when they grow the crops they have to use a certain


kind of the fertilisers they have to use certain kind of uh soil a certain kind of, uh product to grow the the plant I mean those are


knowledge on science right I mean biology, so that means there's some science into it I mean like like like what I mentioned in the in the first part okay from the beginning of time science has always been part of farming, whether from the most simplistic form that's always been uh science in farming and you see uh areas in uh


Bali where they have uh plants where they grow on like a step kind of uh, configuration I mean I think you have seen that before the plantation the tea leaves or whatever okay those are to prevent soil erosion right, so soil erosion


uh that is, donnish on science that they they can make it that way they can uh plant their tea leaves or plant their plantations, in that manner so that it prevents soil erosion, so that is knowledge on science and that is where science is being effectively put into farming


that's


okay thank you, very much


debate topic three


okay uh, artificial intelligence should be embrace since it is inevitable I disagree with, this statement uh it shouldn't be embrace


uh then we talking about general AI general artificial intelligence which is uh artificial intelligence that is on par


uh with human, capability, and lastly we are talking about super intelligence okay, artificial intelligence which is surpass surpass human, capability okay uh for where we are now okay where we are now more or less it is more how do I say uh artificial intelligence that we have now


uh for example, using our siri using uh bixby uh, another form of artificial intelligence are, cars Tesla cars where they have uh self driving okay, those are artificial intelligence uh more or less on the safer side


uh not to embrace it but we have to take precautions when we


uh when we come to that stage okay, now the negativity of artificial intelligence okay we're talking about uh, loss of job okay by twenty twenty two okay the world economy uh forum okay measures that it will artificial intelligence will replace more than seventy five million jobs okay so now we're talking about loss of jobs due to artificial intelligence


so lesser people more people will be out of work okay and this will uh especially uh will effect those lower income, lower skilled workers whereby artificial intelligence can easily uh take up or use up


uh


AI system okay changes the way uh conflicts are being fought okay, ya of course when it comes to artificial intelligence in the hands of the wrong people, it can be catastrophic okay


uh we're talking about drones uh we're talking about uh self uh, uh AI which can uh, cause casualty can cause mass casualty to people uh it comes to the wrong hand


uh it can easily cause uh catastrophic uh problems for for us for everyone especially when comes in the hands of terrorists, okay so ya, that's all from my side Hafizah


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ya so I mean what Hafizah is mentioning is more towards like what I mentioned narrow artificial intelligence whereby it is being controlled by humans but we're talking artificial intelligence in the future


whereby is talking about should we embrace it is since is inevitable I mean so my point is that we're talking about artificial intelligence which is actually surpass human capability or even on par with human capability and that is where where we have to be uh cautious and uhcareful about uh


that that the the the phrase that we should embrace it is is, in my opinion uh not uh accurate in something that we have we should be, cautious uh, for upcoming artificial intelligence uh the biggest track okay ya is of course uh in a longer term okay it's a longer term problem introducing an artificial intelligence which is uh something which is radical that is super intelligent


but failing to align with human value and intention so we are talking about, when you are I mean just look at uh cars self driving cars okay they don't have the, uh, intuition okay I


uh okay intuition of a human they don't have the feeling of a human okay when we're driving okay we have uh feelings we have uh gut feeling, as we you know we we we can foresee things with, we can uh


uh we are careful on on uh when we on the road you know when we see a a dog okay at the side of the road so we have to slow down because we won't know when the dog will just run across the road okay so, that is intuition okay the the the that is where artificial intelligence may be lacking of


you see ah so that is why the the that is where uh the problem lies okay where artificial intelligence okay when they we give them uh , a target to, to to to perform okay they may perform the target but not a


in the most human humane uh way of doing it because when you give him a target they will solve the target, they will do uh whatever it takes to perform the target, without the human uh values and intention so that is where uh


uh artificial intelligence can become uh something which is uh dangerous, harmful ya so, I mean ya we're talking about AI you know we we we see a lot of movies about about the future whereby robots take up their you know


uh have the mind of their own, and they start you know doing things which is uh which is harmful to, to the, AI okay it can be it can be good but at the same time it can be something which is a potentially dangerous to the human race


sorry what what what's your point of view in regards to job losses possible from uh, AI, artificial intelligence ya


I mean do you agree that I mean the statement that whereby we should be cautious in regards to artificial intelligence meaning to say that I I think we're talking about talking about artificial intelligence at the present moment whereby everything is still quite


on the low I would say low technology, okay whereby uh like what I mentioned earlier there is narrow there's general and there's uh super intelligence uh AI so I mean we're talking about AI when it comes to the super intelligence portion do you think that we should embrace it or do we still


have to be cautious towards it because we're talking about artificial AI I mean uh where computers and uh AI is even smarter than the human, and there's always a possibility that it can malfunction it has a possibility that it can go rogue, and uh be dangerous towards human


and that is where uh my point is that AI okay has to be, uh somehow uh cautious controlled cautious towards it and uh embrace it's uh, it's not the the the the accurate statement uh on this matter


sorry part one, debate topic one


uh there the uh consider the view that spoken language


spoken language is more important than the written form, I have to disagree because written form, cannot be altered, as uh it's recorded


and also, written form itself, enhances your speaking, like, for example great leaders uh when they, do speeches they refer to a written form of document


so I believe uh a written form is very crucial, and more important than the spoken language


because , uh yes spoken language they have their, uh tone and their, weight that is brought to the because spoken language is spoken by the speaker itself


but in written forms, I believe there's more weight, to it uh for example love itself we have uh poetries, , we have valentines day and usually people


people would , confess their love, uh over written form and then


also history itself we have books and we have , examples of, like the bible the quran you know


which are passed, down from generations to generations , it's uh if, it was a person instead


I agree but to a very little extent , if, like if you're talking about history here how do you know of this history if you, did not read it from a written form, if you receive it from someone word of mouth let's say written form does not exist in the world here


and only the spoken language would you believe the context of that person is it reliable, it might have been altered it might have been uh spoken in their own kind of opinion instead of uh what is exactly uh what exactly happened so that's why to counter back your uh


what you have said there I don't agree because the written form itself , if that message was not written and if it was, passed


and it was not written, that message might have been altered along the way because, we ourselves are human beings and we tend to you know forget what is exactly spoken over here so as a form of documentation and black and white


like in society here today we have contracts we have , uh newspaper everything is in written form these are very important things you know for future generations to actually read and uh refer to what has happened


okay so in conclusion , let me ask you this question , you uh brought you are bringing up, history itself, from a spoken form


or from a written form, books all in written form, am I right so, if you learn history from your teachers as well , it


is in the spoken language correct, but, the reference is from a written form, so in conclusion my stand here is that yes, , the written form is more important than the spoken language as the written form enhances that spoken language


and it's very important uh to use in our daily lives and for generations to come


uh eh my conclusion my conclusion is that , why my written form is uh more important than the spoken language because the history that you are explaining to me, uh, itself is from a written form so imagine


if, the history you know now is from a spoken language what history would you, know now would it be a different hitler would you know that that hitler was that powerful, okay it's recording yes okay you


okay but you did not answer my uh question that I uh, bring it up I said, without without, uh written form you cannot have your spoken language enhanced , for example if you're talking about hitler okay let's just use it lah as a very good example then


he's using propaganda right so he's a very good speaker I agree but how did he use his propaganda, did he write his, was it a very strong, move in written form that helped his spoken language


imagine if you just spoke in a large crowd, how would it reach to thousands of germans uh over there how would it inspire would it inspire the same way in his spoken language, or would the written form also


enhance his speaking enhance his speeches enhance his uh quotes as we know today that is why I, still disagree that, the spoken language is more important than the written from


the uh debate here is about spoken language versus the written form whereas you have only managed to


differentiate two speakers, two great speakers , which is why picture this, , hitler and trump, beside each other, and then the same written form, so obviously hitler will be able to inspire more whereas trump would have difficulty


in speaking, so imagine another scenario, where it's written, would you


trump, or would you believe it's written from hitler, do you understand the weight of the words, because, uh as you mentioned spoken language uh is very difficult to portray the tone of the weight of the words


but in written form, even a lousy leader can write a very great, story that's why I still stand still, in believing that the written form is more important than the


you actually have to agree you my dear , I have to disagree, no you agree I disagree I'm opposite,


I want to,


I have to disagree with you there I mean okay, minority language should not be a disadvantage to you


so , however , modern society right now, the general language that we all come to know today is english


right , if let's say you are stranded on an island, and, there are people over there, who speaks a certain language, , which you do not know , that


may cause trouble which is why I think preserving the minority language,


into the future, new millennials now


I'm a malay but I'm also a Boyanese , so the Boyanese people, we actually have another language that is different from, malay which is called the Boyan language, , and I myself


do not know how to speak this Boyan language when I go to gatherings, with my grandmothers and, uh it's, from there we can see the fine line that uh this


because it is , not important on a global scale, so that is why I never learned the language myself


okay uh I agree I agree a minority language can be used to your advantage because uh, you might use your own minority language to maybe win, a war or you win a game or whatsoever but if we are talking about minority languages here it is


very close to being dead, dead languages like the latin language is you know, you it's it's dead nobody speaks latin anymore , also, uh the biblical hebrew language ya this sanskrit all this you know


archaeologists are, digging ways to bring up these dead languages, , so when you talk about revitalisation you also need to talk about bringing the dead back to life , , many of these languages are above too far gone already


communities so I disagree again that , uh these minority languages should be valued


it, it has its own ethnic uh identity of course, but it's not important, today in less than today


uh they would speak in english uh their mother tongue language but not a minority language they are close to being extinct anyway !oops!


so, with that, that is why I believe that


I agree I agree uh minority language can be used for, inspiration for , hoping for miracles to happen, but if you look back at on history itself it's easy to spot


languages that were once prominent and then later disappearing from use, like I I mentioned take latin for example they may have they may have studied it in their school but it's a dead language, written studied but not spoken so


a minority language, extinct language close , so when and why these languages die off, it is an interesting study in history and culture


but it's, very limited to the past, environment we are talking about progression we are talking about moving on, and, and you move on you don't take something from the dead


so that is why, take the next few minutes


okay


in english okay uh if you go to a foreign country to any country nowadays I'm saying, correct uh I'm saying I'm saying it's let's say you visit to another country right you see directions using your map


does it have other minority languages on the maps and the directions or is it just english and their native language, yeah so that's why I am saying that uh these uh minority languages itself is close to being extinct and dead and uh there's practically no value in preserving minority languages in the world


because english is not a minority language that is why it's being used and will be used for future generations to come


okay ya


okay I disagree I just think that you're denying the fact that uh uh minority language is has no longer a value to this world !oops! finished


I have to agree as I mentioned we are transgressing into the future , uh but upon that transgression I believe books still has an, important place in this modern society


uh based on my debate topic earlier written form, why is it so important, yes


you are the richest student in the world, books are important in various and unexpected ways, they allow you know the readers to , travel without using their feet books give, wings to our imagination books are full of knowledge


full of joy wisdom and so much more into it they're, more than a form of enjoyment they have the the capability to transform your life, they can help you even during the hardest time, like like


you can have an addict going through a very hard, time, you know they there's books, to , help them through their sobriety, , so books actually gives a solution it gives people a way and a new perspective to look at things


and situations , yes they are undervalued but, they are not forgotten, they still have a place in the modern society


okay I, books, they are important because, the more you read a book, the more you can actually expand your knowledge, , uh I understand uh uh I'm sorry this is my turn to uh


speak so give me way here yes, uh I will answer your question I will come to it , let me have my debate first so, the more you read a book the faster your knowledge will expand right, so books


not just books let's say, taking, into account uh when if you buy a new blender, and it, does not come with a manual, what do you, do will you go crazy you need a manual to work the blender right yes of course you can try and look up at Google and stuff


but wouldn't it be easier if you had the physical book itself in the first place , and that's why I say reading books regularly stimulates your imagination, and you know and your emotional development as it festers your natural curiosity


like you will turn to the next, page the next page and the next page it gives motivation peace enthusiasm and courage to, see situations in a positive way in fact, most great movies, comes from books


they derive their inspiration from books, right, the content itself is from a physical book, for example michael bay, the transformers movies it's from a comic, right avengers is from a comic


the harry potter it's from the great J K rowling herself it's from books that is why I say, books are very important


excuse me


okay uh so back to where you're saying, that uh nobody buys comics, in fact , so that there goes my point in uh saying


how valuable uh, hard copy book is and uh, to question and counter back what you said about my blender what if my whole house


and I only have a torchlight, to work the bloody blender what do I do, I read the bloody manual, let me , it is just an example


but what about those, not so great countries those third world countries where


they don't have this kind of access, they don't have access to computers, they don't have access to TV, they don't have access to phones what do they do to educate their children and their generations, easy books right it's cheap and it's there forever you can always repeat it that is why it's a very important


other , globalised countries might move forward but, in those countries where they do not know anything about the world, only a book can save their lives


so that is why, I believe, that the importance of a book, is to you know keep a sword on a very sharp edge, for most people nothing beats the feeling of getting cozy ah be in your couch with a book in your hand


uh I agree I agree that uh in, a, digitalised uh modern society, we are moving towards that , that era where books are taken for granted but it is


of the utmost importance because, without books we do not uh learn, how to progress ourselves for example if, we're talking about a digitalised , world uh we go back to history


to the great , Nikola tesla no, the Apple would have not been created


the, this androids will have not been, created, without learning how to, invent electricity where are we today , that is why the books are passed down from generations to generations


for us young students to learn and innovate, and maybe invent something on our own, right you could be the next, greatest inventor in the world, but without a book we won't be


which is why I strongly believe, that the, the importance of a book, is still of a value in this modern society, it must not be forgotten it, is very emotionally expressive and strong


also not just knowledgeable it's also emotionally expressive and strong through reading one learns how to, interact with each other and how the society, works , uh as an introvert myself


as an introvert myself , I prefer reading books than talking, to people right because they are very emotionally strong than most people, and they have clear mental visualisation, and the ability to make me imagine pictures in my


mind alright thank you


debate topic one, where is the thing,


okay no no topic meh, oh oh oh oh


hi I think uh the spoken language is more important than the written form uh because the spoken language has more, uh expressions on it as in, uh


what is the uh what is the uh feeling and emotion towards the written form, ya eh i cannot hear anybody ah


I agree but to a certain extent uh just like you said that the written form are used by great leaders when they make speeches but at the same time also those written forms are just uh I believe would be just cues


right the same written form spoke uh is if being spoken from a different leader could mean a totally different thing right so let's say let's say we let's say let's say for example if you have two two different leaders reading the same written form


those two those two readers reading the same written form could express different views by just saying the same thing you know they could mean different thing by the way they say it


okay I agree with you I think what you're trying to say that the written form is more archive it's more uh it could last longer it could be kept for, historical and learning purposes and reference purposes that I agree with you, but we can admit that just based on written form it is not inspiring right let's say let's say if you have if you receive a written letter for example a very important task maybe an important task would say maybe


maybe there is a war going on and you receive, written instructions on how to proceed with war between two countries right so those written forms yes you receive instructions it's clear it is it's clear you can refer to it you know and you can even give it to other people in then those are the same instructions yes I agree


but what but what we both know is those written forms are not inspired right you have to be inspired to win the war right and you know war is quite an important thing back, then in the days right it created our you know civil society today as we speak so


so so my point being is yes the written form has its content but to push people to inspire people to encourage people to actually win a war for example a war , you know it has to be a spoken language right and I'm probably I can quote example from uh hitler himself right I'm I'm not saying he's a great leader or anything like that I'm not trying to go political but he did conquer europe at one point of time because because the way that he because of the way he spoke he inspired the german people


okay since you mention since you also mention hitler let me give you a very good example about written form and spoken language during the world war two if I am not wrong there was a there was an operation called valkyrie okay if I don't I don't know if


you are I don't know if you are are aware of this in operation valkyrie hitler was assassinated and part of that assassination plan was also to take over germany from hitler himself, so what they did was they they manufactured and they had the


uh the the telegram right and they give orders themselves instead of the leader right so those are like you said like you mentioned written orders right, so they almost took over germany from hitler by giving fake written orders now how did that how did how did hitler


how did hitler revive everything was by a simple phone call right they thought that hitler was dead so they give orders themselves by all written by telegram but when hitler managed to find a phone hitler managed to get a phone call and that actually saved hitler from


from from another like two three years so at the end of the day history teaches us like no matter how written and how secure we feel it is it is still hackable, right and uh from a human to another human you would also you you will only believe that personal touch you know that that spoken language you know like like the general received a call from hitler himself to verify that he is not dead


to verify that he is well and alive to verify that he is still the leader of the country, you see at the end of the day no matter how high the technology then what was back then a simple phone call would still be suffice enough ya


I think I would agree with you on that part oh ya sorry you were saying is there something, oh okay


I'm sorry are we supposed to do something or oh oh okay uh okay where where okay I'm sorry I sorry uh where where did you stop so far


oh it's important your conclusion it was important okay I got it okay yup okay yes I agree so go back to my first


okay so go back to my go back to my point also yes I agree with you that it is


that the written language is good for for historic purposes for archive purposes for record purposes then again you also can agree with me that just based on the written language hitler would not have conquered europe, because the only special thing about him is the the way he spoke his body language and the way he speaks that inspire people


so yes the history uh that we read today is the one that determines what we learn but at the same time the outcome of that history itself that we managed to learn from the written language, was being persuaded and more influenced by the spoken language itself right so if he had actually maybe get to inspire the german people more you would have seen a very different europe today and would have seen a very different society today


ya uh, yup, so uh ya so my conclusion be it my conclusion be it that yes I believe that the written language is is is good to keep records of but at the same time it will not produce a better outcome compared to the spoken language


okay that I agree with you I think what you're trying to say that that written language complements the spoken language and the spoken language itself also can complement the written language, but may I may I represent a very two different speakers let's say hitler and donald trump right both of them during their times


both of them during their times had very good content that means people write for them really good speeches right but we both obviously know that hitler was a better speaker, right because he managed to inspire the people and managed to get majority of it instead of donald trump who is not a very good speaker right he only win by like you know like almost fifty per cent only right and the country is very divided because he cannot manage to gather everybody into one


that is because very obvious it was because the lack of, speech knowledge right he doesn't speak very well he speaks very simple you know not everybody is inspired by it so you see, they both so I so I think right now you can get what I mean is they both get the same written knowledge but speak very differently and the results are very drastically different ya so maybe you can conclude since we have the last two minutes also thanks


I think we can agree to disagree thank you


I think uh the, minority language is not important for the the


think it's not important I have to agree no lah you this no lah no lah I mean do you want to agree or do you want to disagree I would like to disagree you want to disagree okay fine I'll agree okay


it's important for you know, ya it is important the minority language as a minority myself, right I am, uh very well versed with my own my uh language right although it is not being prioritised although it is not being prioritised and widely used right because I have because


you know we are minorities I feel that there is a uh there is I think I feel that it keeps uh it reminds us, and uh where we come from right and some some aspect of the minority language I believe right now in singapore is still being used


as a uh on a on a national on a national set right like in the army my my my my language uh the malay language is actually being used to uh for for giving commands right uh although it's not commands during operations it is commands during parade


right so I guess, that being said of how they decided to use the minority language just for the, parade just for the parade


is it shows that it shows that it is uh being, it shows that it's not so important right because of course uh in the in the if we're going to speak on the army itself right the parade is of course the least most important


of course operational wise for the army is you know is being prioritised and those uh and that we speak in english right ya so that being said, I I feel that I feel that uh there's a mix of uh


I feel that there's a good blend of mix of both and uh ya what do you say sakura


okay, okay so that is I think I think ya okay I understand your point that the uh boyanese language but you have to but you also have to understand that not uh not all minorities language


are being uh totally totally considered absolute right there are some there are some uh minority language that that are that are, still being used on a national scale right for example the uh the new landers the the the the new zealanders right so the the new zealanders


people it's actually occupied by mostly caucasian but the the the origin people the original people, their language is actually being uh being used on a on a on a national scale right uh be it parade or or during their national uh sports rugby and all that


so that so that actually makes them very different and makes them very distinctive and uh contrary to what people believe say for example the game of rugby just based on uh strength and strategy itself uh they could not have been the best team


it's on recording don't laugh ya they could not have been the best team right so obviously everybody all the rugby national teams have their own strategy and whatever not but, I believe that because of their minority language you know the way that they spoke to themselves right their opponents could not uh understand their strategy on the field right so that's why they had an upper hand you know because when they are communicating with each other when they are


you know who's to pass who's to score how to go ahead when to defend right as a as a rugby team when they do it in their minority language it is very confusing to the opponents team and then that is just one example of , how a minority language could be of use and for twenty to twenty five years you know new zealanders


has been conquering the uh the rugby national stage you know uh compared to other teams that that do not have a very uh distinctive strong minority language uh preservation


so that is one example of how a minority language could be uh could be of good use nationally, ya, I think uh that being said uh if the even if the singapore football team were to use minority language I don't think they can get that far also lah right ya but but maybe


maybe we you know maybe if they would improvise on that uh part they could they could be like the new zealanders in rugby, uh ya


okay , you see ah when you say got no value I understand that that the minority language is not being uh used in a very global and uh, professional scale right for example aviation and uh aviation and sea travel you know they all use the english language despite coming from different regions of different countries but you see ah when things happen ah


when things happen during this so big industry so professional industry ah, right let's say when the when the pilot !wah! speak so good english you know give so good instructions communicates so well in english but when things happen in the airplane suddenly


pray to god speak in minority language you see so the important what the point I'm trying to make is at the end of the day despite, despite how you use a uh despite how you use an international language when you feel that things are no longer in your control and you and you feel that things are no longer in your capacity


you your your your mind your heart will tell you what to speak you know your mind and your heart will tell you okay you know what I'm just going to pray to god and speak in my own minority language and and and and really hope a miracle happens you see


so at the end of the day (Uh) what I'm trying to say is the the minority language, although it is not a bad although it's not being used by at the at the same time it is still people still believe in it you know despite despite non believers at the end of the day when things happen to them they will go back to believing in it


hoping for a miracle and why must you wait for a miracle for a why must you use a minority language for a miracle right you can use the I feel that you know that you can use a minority language no need for a miracle but, for for all purpose communications also maybe can take two minutes sakura


oh


so what do you think of the international language is it an all purpose language or


let me see ah pin and the pin is uh M R C right sorry can you just read out to me M R C


have have have have my recording here, debate topic number two it says resuming should I should I press skip


okay okay ya there's a record button but it's not recording ya correct, yup yup it's still ya it's still recording okay okay okay


so okay it's resuming already, so what do you what how what do you feel that the uh how do you feel that the international language is being used is english I mean we all can speak other languages but why must it be,


ya but I mean like all countries all countries can speak dutch what right but why english


it's usually english and native ya


but why do you think english is uh, why do you think english can be uh why do you think they should be using english internationally not any other native language, okay


okay I agree we have to wait until one minute finish or, try to fill up your one minute I think I think I will close lah ha uh in my so my conclusion is that


again you know the, the minority language be it not more it's not so superior but at the same time it is, uh I feel that it can uh remind us of our our upbringings our roots and at the end of the day during our dying days you know we would still speak our own minority language despite how despite the advancement that you know that that society has uh has brought us


so in conclusion I think again we have to agree to disagree


so you'll be so you are disagreeing to disagree okay next ya


debate topic three


(ppc), (ppc)


okay I think we are probably referring to probably uh ancient old books right that has no place in our modern society today so I'm


from there's some few examples of, ancient books right the uh the bible the torah and the quran right these are very ancient books which I believe has no place in modern society yes we can


we can refer and it's our own beliefs but in this modern society uh these modern books cannot, uh cannot be relatable today right technology has technology has , has taken over our society has improved you know we are become more civilised and if we do reference back to all these ancient books you know these are the times where civilisation was not at its peak and


some of the uh some of the uh some of the guidelines and some of the beliefs, uh uh quite uh barbaric in a certain way so I so I believe that yes it has no place in this uh in this modern society ya


right the amount of library we had in the early eighties and nineties compared to the amount of library we have now in two thousand twenty it is right now one tenth okay I'm probably making this up


but but if you check it's probably around the same, right it's like one tenth ya it's one tenth of the library we had right and then the money being spent on books compared in the nineties and in the eighties compared now two thousand twenty we can say also it's probably you know it's probably has


diluted down to very little compared to what it was right so people are not, spending money on books people are not, people are not renting books you know people are not owning books right I myself do not own a book right except for like work manuals and all right like most of the books I got are from like


uh the uh amazon kindle and the I books right so the physical book itself uh if we are talking about that the physical book itself it's uh it's becoming more irrelevant right even in our workspace even in our


our okay lah my time in school ya lah books are heavy but if you compare to my niece and my nephews you know they are okay most of them are also going digital right and in the midst of this pandemic also


a a book is as precious as its content right so I think we can just for now we can just debate about the physical book itself


so what do you think about the physical book


ya but we're not talking about content of the book, ya but I'm I did not ask you about content of book I I I already said


ya there's no doubt that the content of a book is of course the most precious of the part of the book right but but I think I think my question is whether the physical book itself is relevant or not right like


like just like you mentioned right transformers comic and, harry potter book right the last time that I believe the last time somebody read a comic was online right they didn't had they didn't had a physical comic right most people download their comics do you have a shelf full of comics


okay, alright I we don't see shelf full of comics anymore we don't see, shelves full of full of magazines anymore compared to how we do last time right so most of it is you know online online online right like if I even if I want to share with you something you know when's the last time I met


somebody in a park and passed him a book no right I would give him a PDF copy of whatever I'm reading and that somebody could you know could just read it off in like one minute right , so that's my point being you know like the physical book itself


it's you know it's it's it's becoming obsolete right and the and the point of being you said you bought a blender and it's receiving a book and it's , oh flipping the pages it stimulates you I mean who are you kidding the last time I remembered somebody bought a blender the book they throw it out together with the trash


right and how to operate a blender we all know how to operate a blender right even those who don't know guess what we go to YouTube and see come on all of us to date right if we can't operate something we basically just YouTube it


right and if we tried and we don't know something we definitely do not go to the encyclopedia anymore right my great grandfather used to have a shelf full of encyclopedia and I think it's passed down to my grandfather and by the time my father like uh moved houses or his death


the first thing we threw away was a shelf of encyclopedia, right because I think those were the days when Google and Yahoo was already dawning age, right so the encyclopedia is a very good example of the physical book itself, ya


so I am uh I I'm strongly with uh going digital, you know I do have my uh sentimental values also sometimes but uh I feel that going digital is the way for books, ya


because because at the end of the day if they wanted to refer to something by the time they you know find a book flip the page the patient will be dying already, ya


if if you are going through an apocalypse I believe a blender would be a last thing you want to do, okay


yes even in north korea they have a cup of coffee with WiFi, okay so that being said I think if you're going to refer to backdated communities and regions of part of the world uh


I don't know uh probably because I've not I've not personally been one of those one of those uh like, really really I wouldn't say undeveloped country lah you know undeveloped countries they still have WiFi and they're still going digital probably really backward communities


that do not go digital yes I agree with you they're using books but at the same time also they're they're they're advancement towards digital is also there you see uh and I can give you a few example also like the uh


like the the ingenious people in uh indonesia you know there's an island where you know there's this ingenious people you know they don't have access to clean water they don't have access to to uh electricity, but you know what they have access to they have access to a mobile phone and a hot spot can you believe it right so that being said is I think right


say thirty years back you know the richest uh the richest corporations are mostly oil and coal companies today twenty years later you know the richest corporations are all digital uh platforms uh companies right


so you know books are going in that direction and books will go in that direction


hitler okay


I think that being said,


debate topic one


I definitely agree that there's some parts of what you mentioned definitely does help improve the quality of life


that is undeniable however I also feel that just because it improves the quality of life doesn't necessarily mean it's always the best solution suit to everything we have in life, and it's not that it doesn't come with any of the drawbacks or the negative effects that every kind of technology comes with


and you know as much as we want to claim that technology is is great and there's no bounds to it you also cannot deny the fact that there's a certain price to pay and a lot of times we're not really capable to keep up with the price


and we're not even sure of what exactly the domino effects that might happen because of that technology, so like COVID for example while COVID has allowed us to connect with one another, has allowed us to really bridge the gaps between friends and family it has also brought about quite a bit of isolation so this in term this is in particular for the elderly as well as the less fortunate so it really brings about the question of


who exactly does technology improve the lives of is it simply for the affluent and the young who can adapt to it and understand it better or is it more for everybody and is it as inclusive as we like to think it is because there's still a lot of limitations to what technology can do


and while we're still growing and developing the software for it I think it's also important to note that, there's still quite a number of drawbacks and we're still trying to figure out what the negative effects, of technology can be uh you know loss of privacy is one big major issue that we're facing with technology almost every platform that you use nowadays from Google Facebook


to online shopping everything holds your data and uses it in one way or another so how exactly do we manage that and and sort of combat that instead of having it used against us because it brings about a lot of other issues like cybersecurity for example


if we don't or gaming uh or addiction in general phone addiction gaming addiction sex addiction, and it also brings about a lot of uh sex crimes that we can't really keep track of so yes exactly cyberbullying as well


so I think there's there's sort of like uh we have to be more realistic about how exactly we're using technology and if it's really as great as we like to think it is or if there are more drawbacks than we can actually manage, and if they're actually more uh detrimental effects that we might not even be aware of until much much later


and and I think in terms of like laws we set it's not that we're not trying it's not that you know governments have not implemented ways and or or tried to to beat the curve but it's more of is it enough you know how late how how will it be until it's too late


ya exactly like for COVID for example you know with so much misinformation spreading the government had to step in and actually implement laws that uh will jail and fine people who made a who spread misinformation on uh social media as well as on messaging websites


which is you know anyway, it's it's trying to beat the curve but at the same time also this


yes and it's not only that but like what if about perceptions from on a global scale how does that affect us then because we're not living in a bubble so I think that's also one thing we have to take into consideration


I think I get what you mean so like how much then is just like to to stop the spread of misinformation and start to curb starts drawing the line and like oh policing people on their thoughts is it


sorry could you repeat that


so it's not just about whether or not the technology is bad per se but rather about the behaviour aspects again inspiring people


, and it makes sense lah uh because you can't really blame everything on a third party it's still human decision at the end of the day on whether or not you want to to do something bad and you want to commit a crime or not which is just like everyday life so I guess it's more of translating


translating a way to effectively curb as well as maintains the peace I guess you could say online and in virtual life as much as we want to maintain it in real life


okay that's great uh and I and I agree with you I think it's a folly to, just immediately dismiss technology is bad and that any any advancements we make is simply because of someone wanting to profit from it so as long as it's actually


you know helping somebody in the way the technology is used for some sort of greater good or some sort of advancement for humankind, more than just the monetary gains then it shouldn't immediately be dismissed


okay so you mean the more like just because technology is good there's also a lot of other detrimental effects other than just humans so like more like environmental effects


I mean that that's a very slippery slope to take isn't it uh if uh I'm understanding what you are saying is it you're saying that okay so if at the end of the day it's not the technology that is bad but rather the person that committing it is


is the one to hold responsibility for, then shouldn't we as a society try and curb, or at the very least minimise the amount of our freedom or even uh the the access to certain technology then if if that is the case so things like


uh social media for example should there be a more (ugh) a a a different kind of way to police it in order so in order to prevent other people from having funny ideas about cybercrime ya


but if that's the case , then, okay uh let me let me try and understand where you're coming from uh so you're saying that okay if we try to police people too much, the, issue of freedom of speech comes into question but if that's the case then shouldn't everything


be lawless wouldn't it be a lawless society if everything is allowed then because, something threat it threatens something else because then I can also I can also justify and say stealing is okay because I'm hungry even though there's not really a justifiable excuse it's an like you can understand the reasoning behind it but doesn't make it okay at the end of the day


it has since it's quite uncertain and it's a messy situation which really makes me wonder if uh humans are really like punching above their weight in in wanting to adapt to every single technology that is uh appearing


in today's day and age because if we if we can't cope with it then why are we allowing it to even enter the market why is this public knowledge then


it's true, so I guess maybe we should just slowly summarise about what we've mentioned, so are you you you talked about how uh like life is improved uh and how technology has improved the quality of life especially now in the COVID period where we are more we are considered more isolated and we're locked indoors


and there's a connection uh there's a connection to be made, yes and we also discussed about how uh even though uh it has managed to bridge a lot of gaps between us and bridge the gaps between communities right it still


yes there's still some flaws and how you know we should start tackling it and how we should manage it in the future


uh, and I I think that's a good point to make also because uh


, you know humans are meant to evolve and adapt to the different situations and, and were made to survive so if we're able to, you know we'll always find a loophole in every single thing and technology will not be uh excluded from that loophole


so effective farming possible without science short answer is no I think the short answer would be no uh but


sure the foundation of agriculture was making empirical observations about how the world worked and applying these observations as science has advanced farming had become more productive reliable and efficient, without science you have a hunter gatherer society observing the seeds growing in plants and then planting seeds is an application of technology which is applied science that is why we also have


uh agriculture as an entire topic of, study an entire field of study as well as why we are actively pursue it to because, humans naturally need to eat and you need to put food on the table so as the population grows and we need to ensure that everyone is able to afford uh everyone is able to get the food that they need as well as uh different types of food in the different environments


(ugh) we need science in order to adapt to that and understand how it works if not uh we will be producing food, that might not necessarily work in one continent uh and might not produce the same amount of produce or even this the right quality of produce that is necessary for the for the community to grow


not to mention, like science has been applied in so many different regions of farming technology uh in this day and age and we will see how it meets the demand that we need in society


claim to make because GMO crops actually have a remarkable


environmental, benefits they actually allow farmers to produce more food with fewer input, so you know uh, uh, it actually has benefited us to, make the best use of the land


with what we have, so one such example that should be india and actually india was able to produce, produce crops that were not only pest resistant but also used less uh pesticides during the time of harvest which meant that it allow both farmers


uh avoiding getting a lot of uh pesticide exposure as well as consumers getting it as as well as allowing consumers to have it less in their produce as well when they when they actually do purchase the the crops


right so so you're trying to say it's more like you know if if we modify it too much when does it become uh something that will have unknown effects on the human body because we're mixing things too much


but I I mean I can also argue that you know genetically uh engineering


crops can actually help reduce food waste and its environmental impact, which also, you know will have an effect on on the human population in the long term so and humans are very wasteful creatures in all honesty that


exactly so if we're able to to modify fruits in order to last a little bit longer, or or or to not be as fragile as they they were previously doesn't that also allow us to have


more opportunities to, make full use of the produce that we have and doesn't that allow us time to, really, ensure that we're not just be we're not just purchasing produce for the sake of it but because we can actually make full use of it


that's an interesting take but I think we should also consider the economic impacts that they could have , , uh you know like one such example would, be that some of these farmers are not necessarily, big big multinational companies that are able to hire


multiple machines or like to to to purchase multiple machines in order to produce the most stunning crops every year you know some of these farmers, are actually more uh they they owned the land they have uh they have owned the land for generations and they're trying to to really just make a living


what they have so allowing crops to actually just die, of or allowing it to not really , reach the masses it it doesn't ya it, ya and and these farmers will then not only waste a full year farming but they will also lose money because you're not making any any economic uh profits


I ya I guess you could say that and I don't disagree with you that farming effective farming is still possible without science you know it's is it's it's still a viable process it's still possible I think it's just sort of you know how fast you get to a a certain point


know what I mean humans will always try to to to mix technology and science into every aspect of


life no matter, which aspect it is it could be you know from education to politics uh we want to modernise everything so I think it's it's more of okay if they can help us and benefit us in the long run why aren't we using it I guess


and like uh one such example would be like hydroponics you know , singapore has very limited landmass so maybe hydroponics could be something else there


we adapt, we adapt and and try to adopt instead of relying solely on external parties in in bringing and produce, ya, and I think that's evident in our COVID situation like how there was a sudden fear of produce running out


and and everyone was rushing to the supermarkets yes exactly and you know uh we started hearing about a lot of different initiatives by the government to not only grow your own produce but also how uh the government has tried actively to


tried actively to uh, reach out to uh neighbouring countries and and countries that would be uh we have close relations with in order to ensure that we do have enough food


I think it it really showed how uh we do need science, to adapt for smaller countries like singapore and how we can manage that in the future because uh the future is uncertain


really not I did not know that !wow! I interesting


(mmhmm) ya , you know it, it could it it really could


exactly so that's another way that uh community outreach has also has also tried to inculcate that fit their uh understanding and learning of farming right


eh uh sure


that there's a lot of ways we can go about wanting to farm and trying to figure out the ways to adapt, to our environmental economical as well as uh social situations I guess you could say


I think it's, you know what yes effective farming is possible without science there's a very simplified answer I guess you know to summarise the entire conversation that we just had it's more of the limits that we're willing to go to and how much effort we're willing to put in


not just for the environments uh or or society at large in order to get the nutrients in the best and the most nutrients in the produce or having the the cleanest produce but it's also, how


much we want to really, uh speed up the process I guess because at the end of the day technically even if you know you you don't use GMOs to, uh to to, you know to to grow your crops it doesn't necessarily mean you would not produce anything at all it's just the the amount might not be as uh perfect or what is considered perfect in farming


a lot of advantages in relying on science but I guess it's also how much we are willing to sacrifice in the long run


uh you know like like you mentioned we're still not entirely one-hundred-percent sure that there will be no side effects whatsoever to to how much we the produce that we eat and you know farming is not entirely, crops it could also be uh you know maybe for


a herds of chickens or cows you know if we genetically modify that in order to only have the fattest or the the largest what exactly does those hormones do to our body in the long run


okay , I was thinking more like err


you know the environmental effects of uh eating, meat, or excess meat you know because uh it takes a lot to to actually yes the carbon footprint that's the phrase I was thinking about that and how


err you know, that that's another environmental impact that we're actually not taking into consideration, uh to ship meat from one country to another really takes a lot of water and a lot of uh you know uh a lot of gas a lot of energy uh let's not even take into account raising any of these animals in the first place


exactly you know and it's and and I think we forgot to mention about how this farming is not only for you know doesn't only apply to small-time businesses but as well as big corporations so where do they draw the line then


exactly exactly and like you know the the selling of


uh, these produces already wanting to take into consideration but what about the other industries that are affected by produce like uh fast food industry for example how would they cope if we start changing or or going back to farming in a more traditional sense


and, while it may be more environmentally friendly will they be okay with the bottom line being changed and not meeting the targets that they are currently


interesting because I I I didn't know that it was in cookies and uh our searches and and almost everything that we we actually use is sets uh I I really genuinely didn't know that uh and I I really like your take on how


(uh huh) artificial intelligence the first thing that comes to mind is always uh people taking over like robots taking over the world and uh it's a set uh like it is going to be a simulation of terminator, but I think just because artificial intelligence is inevitable it doesn't necessarily mean it's always a good thing because we'll look back on the topic of


you know technology really improving the lives and who exactly does it benefit what exactly does it do how does that uh affect society at large then if we are allowing, technology to to really


, take over uh a lot of our lives because , does, there's already such a great dependency on technology now you'll use your phone, to navigate you to tell the time to entertain you to connect you with others and at the same time uh you know your phone becomes everything by the second there's no battery the second you don't have a signal you just have a brick in your hands and you're wondering oh okay what do I do now


you know, so ya I am worried that the same dependency of technology in more essential item status start translating it in, uh AI as well because you already rely on everything on AI what is there left of human creation to to really explore and navigate then


it's uh it's interesting that you brought up how AI cannot replace certain aspects of uh of of human interaction I guess you could see it because in japan actually has released


uh AI robot yes an AI robot that will actually care for the elderly and as a companion to, to have at home especially for those that are in either uh folks uh uh old folks' homes or living alone so they actually have a companion on hand that is available twenty four seven and can actually interact


understand as well as emote quite a bit of of uh uh emotions , in order to to relate and understand uh their human companion, and it's also interesting that you you mentioned that it cannot replace human lives because technically AI has already started replacing a lot of human jobs uh cleaning jobs for example is one very clear


uh, uh clear indicator that now ya that that we have you know slowly moved away from needing a physical humans in uh, uh, uh in any kind of job because manual labour is very easy to replace and why pay someone who will get tired when uh you can have a a robot that does it twenty four seven you only need to maintain it as well as repair it if it ever gets broken


, and there's actually a study that show from oxford that nearly fifty-per cent of all occupant occupations in the US could be at risk because of computerisation within one to two decades, so that there is some concern to be had while it's true that uh you know robots will not necessarily take over the world the very next day I think there there should be some considerations of how the economy aspect


will be affected heavily uh when we try to introduce too much technology to society when it's not really fully capable to compete as well as create new jobs that will sustain uh populations in the long run


ya I mean I'm I'm okay with artificial intelligence being embraced as long as society at large is already to uh create new jobs to sustain the population as well as uh ensure that when we do embrace it we are ready


ya what are your thoughts on that


okay I I agree with that ya, so like uh a gradual embracing of it is it


no no I I think I get what you are trying to say so like it it shouldn't just be technology for the sake of technology right uh and and I do agree with that I think the the human aspect is a very important part of like, artificial intelligence because at the end of the day these robots are still learning they they learn behaviours and adapt to it and they understand what is going on and