with your first point so I guess sorry you say more productive right, ya (uh huh), okay I feel like like to argue that point I feel like working from home will increase the chances of one are clocking out so the reason they have higher product productivity rates is maybe it just because they don't clock out cause


like your laptop is always there anytime you can just go back to your work after dinner time at night weekends like your workplace is your home place so anytime like you will just have a higher chance of going back to work and also because when people are working from home like bosses may be more afraid that they're


employees are not doing the work that they are supposed to be doing so employers who feel more stress and, like want to prove that they are actually doing work which leads to the higher productivity rates yes but also leads to a higher chance of burn out like there's this uh survey by CMBC which shows that fifty one percent of Americans have experience and burn out were working from home


even when seventy one percent of them actually do step away from work to spend time with family or to take walks ya, cause I feel like even though the productivity rates do get higher it does affect our mental health and increases stress for the employees who are working at home


so you cannot just look at the productivity because productivity mainly benefits the office but what about the people, ya cause, there's the increase obligation to doing work at home yeah and also I feel like when people work at home they have to juggle more responsibilities especially if they have young children it sounds a bit more specific but


those with children or younger children they don't have a chance to like take a break because , like, while working then their children are sat at home so they have to attend to both work and the child which makes things a lot harder for them and this will reduce the productivity of what they're trying to do at work if their child keeps on distracting them


and also when you work from home I think it's a lot more isolating because there's a lack of social connections , like, in the office you see a lot of casual collaboration you know like you just go out to your colleagues and then maybe you talk to them face to face because at home you can't just like


randomly call your friend like it takes more effort I think to arrange a meeting with your friend online then to just walk out beside them in the office and just have a quick like five minutes chat with them so actually casual collaboration has been shown to like improve the ideas generated by the company


because uh face to face communication is still the in , most information which medium and is most likely irreplaceable because like there's a lot of, facial gestures and like maybe physical touch and all these is impossible to convey through


other mediums of digital connection, particularly the physical touch one and things such as physical touch or just body language in general, can actually has a higher chance of intensifying existing social bonds and establish closer relations with colleagues so when you're least closer with relations right you have a more open communication with one another


and this also does it does increase the productivity of the company , just because are more ideas are generated and shared within people , ya so informal chats in the office have also been shown to boost the staff morale and make people feel closer and like they're part of a team so I think this makes work more enjoyable for everyone in general


because ya they are just more engaged as well, cause for example even when meetings like the person may physically be there but there are a lot more distractions, like using your phone or maybe browsing other things while having the meeting because other person can't tell can't really tell if you are doing that or not in person meetings like it's very obvious if you are using your phone


so I think people actually pay more attention like there's research shown that people are less engaged during online meeting, ya you can continue


actually I feel like those meetings that you hold outside there are not as like they don't have as much potential to increase their staff morale because, when you have like those gatherings outside it's like very forced also what you're also making people go to those gatherings right so like people will feel like they have to interact otherwise they just gonna stand there and


like at that one corner by themselves so this is a very force interaction as compared to the office where you have like casual collaborations you know you can just like talk to people easily and have the face to face contact and like almost every day and just


has this like small bits of communication that can maybe generate us spark ideas through the short conversations that we have cause I think after all these like daily face to face interactions are something that cannot be replaced by a once a month or once a week like dinner together


, okay but then at start I feel like if from the start like everyone is working from home already like you will would hardly even get to meet your colleagues, in the first place and like you just won't feel close the company at all or like close to the people there I feel like that affects your social life because


you will be more isolated at home you only have friends from like your past but not your current work life where you can discuss things that maybe are more relevant and like people in your office can understand better and also I think for the flexibility right I do agree that working from home offers more flexibility but I think


working in the office gives the structure that some people do feel like they need cause not everyone is so disciplined to like have such as strict like uh office at clock in and clock out timing when they're working from home, ya, and also you didn't address the point about like the burn out I think cause people feel more pressure to produce more work than we're when they're working at home right ya


ya but I think it does like is a it is a lot harder because your laptop like I said your workplace is just at home so at anytime at any point of time we can go back to work like regardless of whether your boss knows or not cause it's just by yourself right it's something that you control even though you have signed a contract doesn't mean that like


you cannot touch the laptop during like Saturday and Sunday , right I don't think they can do such a thing cause you may need a laptop for other things as well so I think that this is not like a very good way to prevent people from doing work at home like to like blur the boundaries between work at home


yeah so how does the working from home like bring more benefits if like you sign that agreement because it may not really come through as well, like you said it's already the whole working culture you know then what's the difference


I think most of the time even when you're are working from home like, your working hours is still fix like nine to six from what most people I've see nah actually your working hours is still the same what, it doesn't really mean that you work from nine to one then you take a break from one to three o'clock then you work again from like three to seven you know it's still a fixed like timing you don't like take random gaps in between and like oh one hour I'm gonna take my kids to their childcare and then come back then you start working again ya it's not really that kind of flexibility I think most people that work from home do stay work office hours


ya lah but then see the issue with that right the issue with that is that then there's less clear boundaries on like what's work and what is your home life because


it's like you can just go any point in time of the day then people are more likely to work more, than what they're supposed to or they work less than like they won't be producing the work that they should be so I think when there's more flexibility also means that you blur the boundaries you even more cause there's no fixed timing for like how


or like when you should be working so it's like if you work during midnight then you work through the night it's also a very unhealthy lifestyle because, sleeping late causes higher risk higher risk of like heart diseases or like increase fat storage in your body so actually like having such


flexibility may not be such a good thing as well like implementing like the nine to six would be better for people's health if they stick to it as compared to like just choosing whenever they want to work cause their whenever may also be like during the weekends and like if


like other people are free during the weekends but then they choose to work during weekends like it takes them out of their social life as well


ya ya, err debate topic one


okay so uh for the first debate topic it'll be about the ban on organ uh the ban on organ trading should be lifted within singapore


and uh I'm the proposition so before I state my points , I would err like to state a assumption that I've made in order to err generate my points so the assumption is that


legalisation of err organ trade organ trading comes with regulations, and is not exactly err like, when you lift the ban is like a free market for organ trading so there will be regulations on that come with the lifting of the ban


so my first, point in support of this sentence, is that , currently there's a singapore faces a severe shortage of


suitable organs to meet the growing demand for transplants , so this transplants range from kidney transplant heart transplants and other vital organs


so this my first point uh my second point is that, uh like what I mentioned just now in my assumption legalising it comes with regulations so uh


okay it's uh so legalising it comes with regulations and , I think singapore is a country that is competent enough to appropriate appropriately manage a system in which , organ selling can meet the uh the growing needs of patients err okay my third uh my third point is that


uh it's something do with ethics basically I feel that is not in our third party's position to judge whether , organ transactions are acceptable or moral to for someone so as long as both the buyer and seller are not being exploited or cheated I feel that it's up to their own


moral judgement uh to make the decision for themselves and is not in the uh like the place it's it is not in a place of law to dictate whether people can err trade organs


ya so that's all


uh okay so just to repeat your three points while it harms current donation initiatives uh it will alleviate social injustice and it does not bring about a significant economic benefits is it


okay so with regards to your first point the harming of


sure okay lah but it kind of, comes with rebutting so, ya, okay never mind eh so for the first point right uh, regard regarding harming the current donation initiatives I feel that is not uh either or choice both


can, err both can be done at the same time because ultimately uh there are still people, who are I'll say altruistic out there it it may


okay at okay as uh so I feel that , okay uh there are still altruistic people out there and uh with the help of regulations on, it can be done such that the current donation initiatives uh wouldn't need to closed down and also I I think this in relation to your second point which is uh social injustice point


so, I'm as~uh I'm guessing that for uh the increasing social injustice because of this because that the rich can , afford to buy the organs while the err less fortune are not able to to purchase it right but I think


a regulation can be put in such that, uh in terms of the queuing system is still there so people cannot jump queue just that uh just because they have more money but rather legalising on organ trading can help to encourage more


more to come forward to, sell their organs such that the uh the the queue for this transplants can be cleared quicker, so uh that's one of my points and also with regards to social injustice I feel that as long as


uh regulations are put in to ensure that, on donors or the sellers right are not being cheated or force or exploited in the process , so meaning they're willing to sell sell their organs right then


to some extent it will also bring about economic benefits to them because these organ transplants are, not cheap also so it's they can earn a significant amount from selling their organs and I think this amount of money that they can earn is especially beneficial to the those those who don't have that much money


ya okay wait so is it my turn


okay so with regards to okay there was a lot of statistics I couldn't uh catch all of them but I think the, generals uh like the general point I'm bringing across is that there uh like organ transplants come with a lot of health risk


right and that , because of uh like by commercialising uh human organs , it will increase the social injustice because the poor are usually the ones that will uh need this money more so in the end more uh like most of the organ sellers will come from the poor is it correct


okay so uh with regards to your first point about the health risks, ya right you're not wrong that (ppc) transplants come with a lot of health risk but I think


these risks can be mitigated with the help of complimentary insurance plans and health plans that the government can include together in the whole organ trade


wait sorry sorry, ya correct correct but


okay but currently from what I hear is that err, the current payout is just to cover like after a surgery checkups and things like that right like it's not a very huge sum of a monetary guarantee in case the person's health deteriorates a lot after the transplant right


ya, yeah but I I feel that like this definitely not enough if you if let's say a donor uh really the like the donor's health really deteriorates a lot so that's why I I suggested that let's is possible to


uh lift this ban on organ trade organ trading and part of the regulation can be including a better like insurance plan to cover for , all the other health risks that will come uh that may come along after the transplant so that's one way in which I feel that this regulation can go hand in hand with lifting the ban uh


ya ya ya so so that you can include uh this insurance in the current uh situation without lifting the ban but (ppc) by lifting the ban you bring in extra monetary benefits so uh it's like


ya, correct but okay let's say if we don't lift the ban right you're restricting uh


a pathway to money for the poor too so it's not like you don't you continue the ban they will get any richer, or they can climb up the social ladder uh as easily, no I don't


it's not exploiting if you explain all the consequences and all the risks that will be involved properly so of course are we, uh if like let's say doctors withhold information or things like that then that is wrong but the whole point of this regulation is to make sure that


all this err risk and whatever are explained properly and the decision decision will uh be up to the seller on whether he or she wants to sell and also uh I would I'd like to bring a point that, in a lot of countries right especially the poorer countries it's not that oh there's a ban on organ trading then


all this don't occur in fact the uh black market for organ trading is huge and


ya but the thing is , let's say for us our Singaporean that wants to purchase organs right there's uh there's also a lot of them that go to black markets in like the poor countries to err


like like if they want the organ lah then they'll go there and buy as in is okay okay that they're, no you're not you're not because in a black market okay is like no matter whether you lift the ban or not it will still continue it's just that if you lift the ban you allow people


to trade in the, in the light under regulations which will actually, help to alleviate the exploitation problem and also increase, the safety level uh because people can actually do it in established hospitals and not like uh I don't know like some back alley or some shady uh hospital but ya


okay


ya, uh part two debate topic two, okay so the second topic, oh the second topic is that a drug should be developed to allow humans to live forever and uh in this debate I'll be in favor of this


uh sentence so, my first point is that by having a drug that allows human to live forever, you're giving people a choice as to how long they want to live this is not mandatory so if someone prefers not to extend their life is totally fine so it's just providing a choice and also


by allowing people to have uh extended lifetime it will allow them to chase their dreams and accomplish whatever they wanted to do, but uh haven't had a chance to do in their current life so is providing people with extra time


and lastly I think it's uh by living longer is also a way for us to connect with the past so, err instead of just reading things from like let's say history books or what we can actually


speak to people to real people who have gone through , whatever that has happened in the past that's of your interest, ya


okay I think err, from what I hear a lot of your points are based on the assumption that err, it it feels like, we can just live forever now and we don't really have a choice cause I feel that


the drug being developed doesn't mean it everyone, is gonna take it you know so I'm I'm pretty sure, ya so I think it's up to the individual to consider beforehand whether they want to take the drug in the first place and also because on this drug that allows human live forever right I think it can like uh okay the more technical side maybe dosage or


there's there's different err what you call that like hierarchy of this , as a drug that can extend our life right so , maybe, there could be like , progressive levels of this drug so maybe some can extend by ten years then or some can extend by fifty some can extend by forever things like that so


if we have also have bring in this kind of , different levels of drugs right uh, it it can if you take a combination of them uh it can extend your life forever but, if you take in between to just try out I think it's possible also because


from the, more science side I'd say if you can develop something that can allow humans to live forever you definitely can develop something that extends or shorten period of time so there's also that that choice there


and also , it it feels like a uh, a lot of your points come from like or your your own personal outlook of life I'd say so uh I also like to bring out the


point that not everybody may think this way and some people may, really treasure the chance to be able to extend their lives so it's like who who are we to dictate whether they should be given this chance or not if technology allows uh the extension of life


and also on one point is that I think a lot of us are, looking at this issue or look at the issue of quality of life with , our current general outlook on life because


of course based on what we experience now uh if we, extend our life indefinitely there's no joy to you at all but let's see one day when people can actually do that maybe they will find new joy along the way at much later part of their life


so we never know because currently is not possible and we actually that we shouldn't use this as a limit to what people can do if they can live forever , and also in terms of uh like with regards to the quality of life issue I think this is not like this uh


drug that can extend our life right it's not like a single , innovation that comes out by itself uh, uh along the way I I think it's more of a all rounded development so with the development of this drug there may also be uh like we we will also develop uh other drugs or healthcare services that can help to increase our health even


when we are older so doesn't mean , we extend our life now means we will have very poor quality of life for the for the rest of the time because in that sense technology is also , involving in all areas and not say only in terms of extending our lifetime


ya ya ya I'm I'm I'm saying that, ya ya as in as in as in I'm saying that uh like there's that possibility so uh what I'm trying to say is we shouldn't limit


the progress of this research and development just because we feel that, it will not work, based on our current experience in life


wait ah let me think what did you just say okay, oh yeah yeah yeah I wanted to say that I feel that developing


this drug versus researching other drugs that cure current problems right it's not mutually exclusive like, but


err to be honest is is not like if you don't develop your drug all the money will be pumped into developing, err other drugs that will help to solve on current issues for all you know maybe the government will use it for some other purposes that are totally unrelated to improving the


what's that the inequality in the world, it may be a problem


as in in uh maybe some people have uh do have the problem of not having enough time in their lifetime or things like that we never know because , but I think


it really depends on how you see it and who you are currently as in I feel that a lot of this is, err like your your personal


how to say outlook on life and it may not apply to everyone in that sense


and I think also another issue uh of the like the assumption that this drug will be very expensive as in definitely at the at the start it will be like any to be honest any new development especially with patents and things like that it will be very expensive


but like a lot of drugs now that are, really cheap and that can be like uh the so called a generic drugs now right they use to start from err


ya but currently there's also like new research done to see whether we can live on other planets I know currently we can't but, I I guess it's just the the endess err potential of uh technology development and I just


feel that is not right for us to limit our , development potential because because of, like our current development stage or like, our outlook


(hmm) as in, okay like overcrowding and using resources right , oh okay living forever first of all right is err, is not like


everyone will be living forever because some people may not choose to so uh , like with with the remaining people that do want to extend their life


ya but as in that's also assuming that the whole, what's that uh, like global warming or like environmental issues cannot be resolved with any, further uh, like, development in


okay uh, part three debate topic three, okay so for this topic we're talking about err


the statement is working from home offers more benefits and I'm in favor of this uh statement so, uh okay, first off before I state my points I would like to say that


whatever jobs or work that , I'll be referring to is based on the assumption that these jobs are, able to like be be able to conduct at home lah like so uh


we are not really talking about jobs that have uh there's a must for you to be on site because then that's , no point to this argument cause , is like is needed for you to go to work at office or factories or whatever so


my first point is that working from home actually results in a higher attendance rate, and attentive rates , no matter during meetings or like (ppc) just the productivity when you are working from home and uh this is sighted from a business insider and the second thing is uh with regards to productivity is that according to a stanford's study


it was found that employees who work from home are thirteen percent more productive, compared with their in office counterparts , so working from home also err helps us to become more productive and I think one very obvious benefit of working from home is that we waste less time commuting and also less money on transport and this


time that we saved from commuting can be used for to replenish our sleep and the money can also be use uh somewhere else that will benefit our lives more, so err ya these are my three point


ya and a higher higher attendance rate and things like that


actually I think it really depends on how you err, how to say it cause to be honest there's also research that shows that people are more engaged during meetings and, I think, this is partially dependent on company culture also but err that's not really related to what we are talking about here so


uh wait you mentioned a lot of things, okay with regards to , the the point about more distractions at home especially is parents have kids to take care of right


uh okay wait before I say that , I think we have to take this work from home thing out of the whole COVID context because with COVID there's a lot of additional restrictions , like you won't be able to go out and meet people and things like that so I think it'll be fairer if we talk about this in terms of working from home or on a normal basis so


with regards to the the kids problem right let's say uh, on on a normal day right if the parent have to go to the office to do work they will be sending their kids to childcare sentence uh centers or whatever also


right so I feel that that problem can be easily solved if the parents feel that they cannot cope with working and taking care of the kids at home together then they can send the kids to the, childcare centers anyway like uh so it's more of like


giving them giving parents or employees in general the flexibility to choose what they need and what they want to prioritise and even with family needs they can also choose to reschedule their family and work needs because


err working from home allows for more flexible schedule so I think that's one point we have to consider with respect to the point of people working longer hours because they, there's no uh I'd say clear boundary between work and


err leisure right uh I think this can also be solve , by haduh, like establishing a work schedule from both the employer and the employee's side


and or, I think if we could be disciplined enough to separate these two uh aspects of our life or, even like a more tangible separation will be uh like setting aside your work and leisure zones at home I think this problem can be mitigated and efn fact a lot of companies are


rolling out this kind of uh work life balance initiatives, especially during this err this period of time where there there's no choice and people have to work from home , so uh and I I also like to say right that


or for this statement the the working from home offers more benefits uh it's not say limiting that if you like let's say you signed a contract and it says work from home you can only work from home and you totally cannot come to the office


because I I feel that depending on the needs of your jobs, on different days there maybe sometimes that err, going to office will work better or working from home will work better and I think this option is just to allow more flexibility for the workers in general and is not say like a you have to choose one for the rest of your life kind of thing


what else ah oh yeah and with respect to the, distraction rate and uh like attendance rate of meetings right uh there's research research that shows that when people start to work from home meetings are a lot more objective and intentional in the sense that


people would only call for meeting when there's a general need to rather than when people are working at office err I'm I'm pretty sure a lot of working adults, have, uh experience this before it's like uh any small little thing people also call for meetings and


this results in office workers being very burnt out also and that's why there are like attention attentive rates are also not very high even, though they're working in the office and with regards to the


the point about uh staff morale or like team spirit let's say if if this uh work from home uh structure is implemented uh during normal times like not a pandemic times


companies can also hold weekly gatherings or outings or any other welfare initiatives that, will help the boost staff morale and uh I I feel that these kind of activities can also help to or increase team spirit lot rather than just


like, uh forcing people to come to the office every single day, ya


yeah yeah definitely but I think the these whole statements uh revolves around whether working from home offers more benefits or working from office offers more benefits is not saying working from office totally doesn't have its benefits but I think it's a comparison of which one has more benefits so what you mentioned is true


definitely uh casual collaborations will also help and there's a benefit of working in the office but I just feel there are much more benefits, that can that come along with working from home and the the point that I brought out about the organises outings or whatever is is a way to mitigate or like a way to get closer to the


to the goal of a casual collaboration so it's it's just like a add on, yeah


I think this can be mitigated by stating clearly like both from the employer employee side by stating clearly what is expected of them or like if like for example like today's job scope or today's targets things like that so


checklist form or whatever form that uh people prefer by setting an expectation at the start of the week or start a day I think it will, help to help people to separate uh their their work and live aspects


ya but to to be, to be fair right now right even I'd say right now work from home is not a very widespread thing but even now there's also many many workaholics or okay you don't even have to be a workaholic but bosses just expect you to


to even like pick up calls or whatever during the weekends I think is the same issue here , and it's not like specific to working from home I think this like a general working, culture in a lot of countries I'd say


as in that's a that's a, on my point was about flexibility like flexibility to arrange your working hours and your leisure time but if you are talking about


actually why not as in I feel that you cannot use the , uh the current situation now because right now even though uh people are working from home uh a lot of them are still required to like log on to a maybe a monitoring website or something during working hours right because


currently this is just a short term uh plan to target the mandatory, work from home err, policy because of the COVID situation but what I meant is for a through work from home these kind of flexibilities can be given to employees to


uh like allow them to work whenever they want as long as they get the work done by the end of the day so let's say if someone is more productive at night or even till midnight if they're more productive than that at at the end of the day as long as they get their work done is fine if they are working at night also


but I think that's, that's up to how the individual chooses to schedule right like I can't really uh like or employers can't really dictate when


or employees are gonna work if let's say these kind of flexibilities given to them but the benefit here is the the flexibility but as to how employees wanna schedule I think is, really up to them and it's not something that is


ya okay shall we just stop


okay, part one debate topic one


okay hi everyone I'm I'm Ning-Zi so basically uh as everyone now uh now internet is very is everywhere everyone is using the internet, for for day to day uh, on researching on items or for leisure or watching doing uh live streaming or reading the news so basically in current situation TV prints and newspaper prints I would have actually gone online


basically you could see that most uh newspaper companies that we used to print order hard copies magazines or even newspapers had actually died they had actually have fight for bankruptcy like, fifteen years ago since internet came on board and most of these companies because they did not they will not fast enough to basically digitalize uh basically so uh even our local come at companies like uh SPH singapore press holdings actually has also divested divested


and and actually went to different area of business like , they have actually asked uh, nursing homes or even they even have an read SPH reads to manage properties that even run shopping malls and now


they actually have are promoting their online newspapers because they could see that this is where in order to survive in the in the current business climate they have to move to different direct or directions actually diversify their business model and you could see


they're not making money basically the profits or trend has been dropping uh like for the last five five to eight years and obviously that used to be like considered a blue-chip company in singapore but now nobody wants to buy the shares , so is you see the trend is in order to to survive they have to to venture out so internet actually has taken over the the whole uh climate basically even for television or who even Mediacorp has seen a drop in their


uh, adds advertisement uh campaigns or even revenue , most people are now going online like uh advertising truth uh facebook apps or or using Linkedin or twitter to to to communicate and even now television wise is and even Mediacorp actually have a on virtue uh online platform which is toga


where they have uh streaming of the the shows on so people can just watch on the go rather than and watching on the television, but physically because now everyone as you know is is is very hectic the work work work environment and and because television has a fixed timing you have to work you have to puny at a specific time and no one


has so much time to like or tune it lah oh ya I need to watch a show at seven PM I'll be at home at seven PM to watch so now everyone is moving onwards to to live streaming or even uh watching back playing, or using the talker or , items like netflix everyone using and even recently singtel also have a online television which is called uh singtel cast so if so now


now everyone is just moving into these platforms and even starhub cable is actually dying to no no one really subscribes to to starhub cable anymore, so now is all about netflix watching online youtube uh watching uh shows online uh through youtube because most the time youtube content is free you do not need to pay for anything and even ya even radio also uh spotify is also giving uh free free subscription


for three months now because of the COVID nineteen so ya because you could see most companies that used to be big big wigs in the market like uh television newspaper they have they they are not make they are now trying to to survive in other using other streams because


they have no uh advertisement revenue being mainly basically there's their key key revenue driver uh yes, so, am I supposed to continue to speak


ha,


, okay ah, uh okay I understood your point that uh there isn't any more human touch because everyone is on the internet so actually this actually supports my my proposition because uh it it shows that everyone is now going online to


to to actually talk to each other going to social platform like Instagram facebook to share their, happiness or to or or or social platform to share like the like the whatever that's happening in singapore lah later general election the news so basically


ya the internet has actually progress all the news so it actually supports the proposition that TV and newspaper are no longer irrelevant because people can actually get information on, on virtually the social platform uh to to see what are the trending news and also there's many free newspapers there's actually uh online like channel news asia even youtube you can watch the the the


you actually can watch the videos online for for on youtube for channel news asia to see what are the latest things that is happening around in singapore or even around the world , about uh obviously the recently COVID nineteen COVID nineteen everyday and then now obviously general election so every ya people just


people had just move online when they read the the the the the newspaper or or even on or or watch television because you know online is more interactive where you can actually , uh chat you can actually chat with fellow people and share your views and opinions or on on on certain discussion matters matters or certain topics or


can even share you you can you uh share what how you feel and people will comment and and and you, and you're actually you you are you feel more invigorated when you see a lot a lot comments coming in like oh people I I I actually uh excited to to and endorsed your opinion and comment so actually it's not a bad thing with the age on internet is basically is evolving


and placing less reliance on uh on the traditional mode of communication which is uh TV or or newspaper because people are now moving into digital digital age you see now we're also having these conferencing on online too


so so everyone has had have to move forward and progress so long as you have, uh wifi you can do anything basically, ya, so


okay okay for for the virus part I mean, that's part and parcel of being online with the on on computers so on so forth but you see


nowadays there's many anti viruses that that that you have to pre-install your computer and and most of the viruses are the the anti-virus actually can detect most of the viruses so you just need to to run the scan and obviously you you you don't go to


dodgy websites because you know all the viruses or hackers they they is all , uh embedded in all those dodgy websites if you do not go to those websites usually the currents of being uh hack into or or having a virus your computer is pretty uh to be honest is quite slim but sometimes you know you you are you are unlucky you you may actually


uh have the virus okay so so I think virus issue something not only for the internet I mean is for all computers basically as long as you online there's a risk but you have you you have to take the bad the, the precautions of having uh firewall having the uh an anti-virus installed on your computer and having and taking precautions are not going to those uh websites which which looks uh dangerous obviously you have to practice uh security settings also and not


disclose too much uh information online and never ever save your passwords whenever google chrome, ask you too, you you should you should say no and ya because you never know I as what you said is a good point you never know who who will steal your identity online and steal your information


but that can be mitigated I guess because I think so far there's not many people I I I'm not sure with uh but I think that the the number of cases reported is not very high on people uh being, being stolen and even though if they steal your credit card usually the bank were were quickly uh the bank has a robust system in place to quickly update you and uh to prompt you and to inform you that uh basically someone has been using your your credit card so


so that's uh so that's a area of omit uh risk mitigation uh that has already uh in place basically so basically as you, you as another thing point that you you you mention, basically is ya you are right people are not are buying television just to have a


the big screen that's why uh this actually and they're not using the television to to stream into the local uh channels so that actually supports my proposition that uh with internet everybody because moving online news TV and newspaper actually are irrelevant any uh


at, are actually irrelevant because people are using it to, using buying television just to watch youtube, uh as you said to to have a bigger screen to watch youtube and obviously, uh to to watch uh netflix which is uh most most, people are household have netflix now a lot


uh have because each netflix account I think you can have five five uh five devices connected to it for for each account so that's the trend internet has taken over the the market for for, entertainment even movies you can actually watch online also nowadays you don't even need to go to the to the cinema anyway we can't go to cinema now so so you know you we have to think out the box and look for


other avenues to to entertain ourselves , so you see now with the age of internet we should be thankful because without it uh we will be so bored the last three months because with in with with this we could actually watch our korean drama we can actually uh share uh we can actually have zoom sessions we can actually share our


our thoughts and views online in facebook or share what happen, what's happening or whatever we're baking or cooking at home on instagram so this is the trend to move towards uh digitalisation as what the government is is actually advocating and uh and also it supports the notion that uh


no uh that TV uh newspapers are irrelevant because now everybody's reading E books also they are buying E books online on through amazon, and no one's boom reading hard copy unless it's like as like cyclopedia or even you can get as a cyclopedia news on Wikipedia or or whatever so ya everything is online even the the books even now autumn uh JK rowling also selling her latest book uh by chapters online every day ya


so everything is virtual now hard copy publications is the trend is irrelevant you can ask any any printing companies they can tell you they're dying uh there's nobody who, who reads magazines anymore


physical hard copies magazines or or hard copy, newspapers everyone is about subscribing to the online mode, instead for magazines or for newspapers, okay that's all from my side


part, part two debate topic two, okay this topic is uh basically people have the rights to remain anonymous when portrayed in media for me


definitely yes it's a yes because you know media is very wide spectrum their social platforms is like facebook instagram twitter weekend , and all uh cause those uh forums and youtube and now facebook facebook live so basically internet supports a global ecosystem of


social interaction with many many many different parties you can be global you can be your own for personal friends or even as outsiders and if we do not endorse them to remain anonymous firstly there's free free speech


people especially people are afraid sometimes to voice out their real intention their real opinions on certain topics but because it's not anonymous they have to put down their name or identify themselves they may not say the heart of the the real truth to everybody that may hide or they may paint a


a nicer picture like for example it's like facing your boss if your boss if you do not have freedom of speech whatever your boss tells you you will just say yes or you'll paint a pretty picture because you are afraid you will lose your job 'll [a', and you will not you will not uh want to voice out your your real thoughts and your uh real opinions on certain matters so if we do not allow people to remain anonymous on such uh on on on media and in in social platform nobody will want to come out to really a present or to share their their


views on on certain certain topics like for example there's a lot of online discussions on sensitive issues and if we deter that we we we we force it on people to identify and to put a name down or to identify themselves to gender or age group


uh people would not uh basically participate in such online or discussion because because uh online discussions a platform where people can actually uh talk about certain things and about ask questions ask stupid questions if they need to , on sensitive issues and uh basically it's it's basically a safe environment for people to share their views and thoughts


and if if we we remove the portion on on anonymity we impose it on them , basically for for sure uh we want that were not participated in these discussions anymore because you never know like sensitive topics like for example the latest general election if it's uh if you need to to put


a name down who would want to voice anything obvious everyone just keep quiet and and and not participate in anything because you never know uh whatever you say it knows online uh forum or discussion that would hold you and there will sue you for defamation which is a very serious charge uh in any country


so obviously if we do not allow this anonymity to to to kick in , no one will really, uh share or will really say the hard truth or the hard fact for, fear of being charged in court for defamation or be


or to share or or to share they are, are, concerns and they will not ask questions because they fear that people will bully them and laugh at them and mark at them if they know their true identity of the person that is is asking the the question basically


okay


okay uh yes we are you you you it's good when you have something to say to complain and you want to share your feedback that


I agree you shouldn't remain on anonymous because you you want to be heard and you you want to get your, compensation from from uh uh restitution from the respective (ugh) claim of damages from the respective party yes that one you you definitely shouldn't remain anonymous like you know reviews or being a critic on a restaurant that's for sure you shouldn't remain anonymous that's for sure because that is something which you


you wanted to claim some form of compensation from, back from from people from poor customer service or even for , for serving you err uh spoiled food or of or put off, when you shop at the retail shops at serving you poorly obviously that you will not need to put we we made anonymous that for sure you should


voice it out and and share your feedback openly without any question but, that is the flip side the flip the real truth is you only will you want to remain anonymous on sensitive issues that is for sure now everyone is not comfortable to to to voice out uh if it's a if it's if they're talking about sensitive topics they because they fear


being sued they fear to that they will lose their job if they they voice up against their employer like some companies actually forced their employees to to go back to work when they actually can work from home , so you see they fear if there it's not anonymous they will they will lose their job because uh basically they are like uh


the the they actually may fear uh punishment from the company if it, not anonymous the company will say uh they do not need require you services anymore because you voice out, but, that's the truth you should voice up because that is what the uh our government is endorsing that if you can work from home please work from home but most organization are not uh holding or practicing that so if if there's no sign on anonymity


it's basically companies, or or whoever that is basically doing uh hankey pankey stuff or the thing thing that are not compliance will get away with it because uh you see for example compliance hotline in most organization is anonymous


you can just email we uh we can just email it and they always say that is anonymous hotline because they want to let the employees know that if they, whistle blow nothing will happen against them, uh because most most people have a fear if they whistleblow they will lose their job that is why they don't whistleblow at all but that is not upholding the real true value of uh any organization if we don't allow this uh anonymity portion


the uh, I mean most are company they're doing not not compliant, or breaching the the frame government framework or any laws or regulations they'll get away with it because , most people were were were just fear that they would lose their livelihood


and how to survive in such an environment as it such charge uh economic current economic uh climate where most companies are going to have uh face recession or or facing cash flow issues most people are feeling most people just want to have a job and hold on to their job


so if an obviously in the government in that some sensitizations, uh if you like, the government current election if we don't allow anonymity no body will will share any views or of course we don't of course as as you say sometimes people will just spread fake news or spread uh untrue thing so it takes someone of uh you have to be open and view it


uh carefully to to see and see the information on yourself and obviously the government is preventing fake news spreading by, the law the law and you can see that several people already charge for spreading fake news so even though that remain on anonymous they also are very careful they will not anyhow spread the wrong propaganda or spread fake news because they know they will be tracked


by the cookie I I mean the phone even though we says anonymous is not anonymous they can track you from your cookie or the wifi that you are using so it's not anonymous actually but at least there is no name people feel oh they feel more safe that there's no name there so


so basically it uh if you do not let them do that no one will have the courage to basically voice out lah basically there will not there will not be any freedom of speech at all in in in the current , uh current climate if for example singapore is already freedoms of speech is already so low we don't remove that if you don't endorse anonymity I think that will be zero freedom of speech no one would dare to basically voice out at all


and and and obviously our current education system is done a way that students are just folding by the book by the rule they don't voice out that is why that is why singapore is in a state it is currently no one dare to challenge the norm


I guess uh people they want they they put in, media because they want to they want to share they basically want to share their thoughts but they are don't feel comfortable in letting people know who they are that's the whole whole agenda it's because they want to have a avenue or outlet to to vent their


uh oh to to actually share what they feel about the current situation or they feel very stifled but they know have no avenue so basically this online platforms allows them a sense of uh gratification or to give them access to voice out if not everybody will become go IMH sooner or later


they're so they're so stifled they they they cannot voice whatever they want to say if there's no no such social platform that annoy, that allows anonymity did it will actually cause some social issues you know if you don't allow this because no everyone can't really really if those who wants to share can't share because they feel that they have a fear of being charged


uh because I mean it's it's about clear cut that in uh here you you will be charged and taken to court and and be fine hefty and you and your reputation be all gone , in a red you can see you know one of the reasons cases that that has happened you if if if you get charged for defamation


you basically is like someone that nobody wants to talk to anymore you be cast aside you'll be you'll be shame in you be shamed basically you will be publicized in the news uh your newspaper your face or everywhere even wear sunglass also people you can recognize you


so you see you don't want that to happen to you that's why you wanted to remain anonymous and you want to share your views and it's, but it's just like a outlet is like a depression hotline knowing your depression you you call the number you don't have this outlet basically the society will will it will change that's really the society will


be so stifled they they have nowhere to actually share whatever they feel about the current uh financial situation and in on the or the current political climate or the or the current economic instability that that that feel or you you see


so anonymity yes I agree uh you if you want to share your feedback in media you should show your face but then people who show their face basically they have uh they they just want to to probably be overnight sensation or I don't know


they want to be overnight sensation or they want to prove a point or to to gain a lot of likes on youtube or instagram sometime they are just attention seeker and it's like those instagrammer they just want to have a lot a lot of follower so that they can they can get a lot advertising income a lot of people will will ask them a lot companies will use them for to to do sponsorship


so it's like it's it's uh it's actually a full-time job no instagrammer they get they get paid form a lot of companies to just promote products and is they they very very well paid as long you have like , more than ten thousand follower, ya so so is it depends on your agenda sometimes weather to because you want uh you want to be instant you want to become famous overnight so obviously you don't mind uh being not anonymous right because you you want people to know you but


you know the majority of the population just wants to be anonymous because they are shy they have stage fright they do not want people to to know who they are so you you you you have to have this outlet for them if not definitely there will lead to social issues


okay uh yes that's the the whole, fact of being anonymous the people will definitely steal your idea that's for sure that's that's but you you you choose to remain anonymous


you have to take it into into into your strike that people would just take your ideas and innovate and make it even a better proposition so this will be it because you do not want to be famous this does this whole idea of being anonymous if you I wanted to be famous you would have


show your face tell people who you are how old you are your age how pretty you are so so that that's a different proposition you see so the whole idea of being anonymous is you do not want to be famous basically, you just want to keep quiet you just want to be under the limelight you just want you but you just want to have a outlet just to share your opinions on certain issues certain uh be it sensitive on that sensitive issues that's and to have comfort and security that nothing will happen to you


even though you voice up so that's what's missing because if you do not, allow that uh basically no one will have the courage to to basically share their inner thoughts or really share their, their their their views or on on things you will really cutting off cutting them off from from everything by not allow but not promoting anonymity ya of course if you want to be famous overnight sensation go ahead and and show your picture your pretty face photoshop face or whatever do what you need to do


ya and be an overnight sensation so go go ahead ya but you should, have and let people have the option to remain anonymous it's really how can you be like a general and instruct, say oh if you want to voice your opinion you have to to show your name that's really like military stuff isn't it so


ya , ya so so you see you see you definitely everyone, just everyone sure will have something to say in life but they just probably stage fright too shy unless they are like


inborn or they inbound debate, the or inborn someone who just likes to talk and talk and talk then they can just continue talking they don't they don't they don't bother they just want to a talkative person who just want to have the limelight and share whatever they have to share ya


so that's what I have to save uh for for my proposition on why people should have the rights to remain anonymous


debate topic three victory


okay social media should should not have the rights to store and, use our personal data that's for sure , in my personal view we shouldn't allow that because as as we know uh it's very dangerous when they have the rights to store and use our personal data they will just they will just or like for example facebook nowadays you know I go to my facebook account I see many apps


are being uh being sent to me uh and and that actually use that the facebook ads to to because based on your search google search preferences they know what you are interested in, they will send you they will send you they will send you the information ah


they will send you the information based on that and then and then you basically , are giving, it's pretty free marketing for facebook lah they they use your data they sell your data out, to those ah people who who are selling


products and then they they sell they they get more revenue for me so you could see facebook is making so much money just just just using our data can you imagine so , it's like the stock price is like two hundred over dollars just and it's and and the facebook ads revenues replacing everything


uh then we facing the newspaper ad they are replacing all the, TV ads so you see this is uh terrible and then they they they how can they actually saw store our personal data like credit card you see you can see there's a lot of, credit card scam because they have our credit card information online uh like I actually I actually have a personal incident before where my credit card was actually used to purchase a laptop


uh overseas which I did not and it happen, like four three four AM obviously I was sleeping already right I am not a light bird , and then when I woke up in the morning I'm like oh my god how could I had spent three thousand overnight and I panic it cause unnecessary panic on on my end because I had to call frantically call the bank to say that my credit card were was being abused


and and and they had to end this and I was so worried that had to cough out the three thousand dollar to pay the bank first and then while they do the investigation because investigation that said usually take three months to investigate the case , so obviously I do not want that to happen so that's why social media shouldn't have the rights to store


our information because once they have all our information they will just , take our gender our age our our our our preferences and they will just sell this information our email they will just sell it away , to all these uh companies that want to market products to us or just needs like for example insurance company they only want they only want you have your number and your email so that they can call you up


to ask you whether you you are interested for financial review or to sell products to you , and uh, and obviously uh property agents they also buy all these listings just to because based on your preferences they, see oh you you're entering into uh certain project ah project launches you're looking at a certain areas and you are surfing property guru to to search or on


on website so so I think it's not right for us for them to store to store and obviously when they store and use our personal information scammers will come in they will use it and become us fake identity will come in instead of


us being us somewhere else will take over our persona and do uh uh and maybe create a facebook account with our picture, with our pretty face and say this is us and you see facebook facebook uh you can see on facebook people are like, friends will will tell you oh that's not the I did not send you any uh friends invite it's not me doing it somewhere else I actually have done it my account has been hacked into so you see how dangerous it is when when you when they have


our information they will there were a lot of scammers or hackers will come in and just abuse our information I create fake identities abuse our credit card or impersonate us and and and do all the everything under the sun lah basically in this new age and worse still if they have our information on our government websites


if I'll they have our Singpass information that's worse because they have all our personal data, they can access our CPF they can access our income tax they can access whatever that is linked to the government so so basically , social media should not have I've I've truly endorse the proposition that social media should not have the rights to store and use our personal information


okay uh but uh, ya I I agree if it's is easy if you store it and you can easily retrieve the data but that, it's a flip side also too because when you can easily retrieve the data if what if your phone has been stolen by somebody


uh and is security-wise and the person can just click, I assume your identity and enter all your your details just because they have your phone and they can and they and the social media had actually stored all your your pre-save password all your information that can just assume your identity immediately and and


probably they will use it to to to take out loans or, or they can even scam people uh using your identity so that is a a risk that you're taking and secondly uh it has been known I think I reported that uh the social media though they say is a very safe they data encrypt their data they save


they store it in a server elsewhere so they always over-promise you that, their data is uh your data collected is always, kept safe and encrypted but that that is what is their representation but you know facebook has actually faced many many , uh recent recently facebook I think recent years facebook has risk risk


face quite a number of uh acquisitions or charges that their data is actually not not and not safe and not encrypted or stored safely and not only that even zoom the online virtual online ah session uhmeeting platform most companies


ours it has been reported is not a safe uh platform to use when you need to to discuss confidential information so most companies actually do not advocate using zoom zoom is more for like social or for casual but and and nonsensitive information if you want to discuss sensitive stuff most


most companies actually propose you to use like uh Cisco cisco webex or even uh, Microsoft teams because is known to be more ah datas will uh whatever content that you're you're sharing or saying will be mores stored more safe and you know you'll be uh encrypted and ah the information will not be leak out at all


so the proposition that so I fully endorsed the proposition that social media should not uh have the rights to store because it's very it's very risky and your, your part if you if for example okay you as you said uh it gives you a virtual uh if it will give you a time lah all the things that you have done in the past saving all your facebook


pictures that you are uploaded into facebook what you have done in the past for last ten years twelve years thirty years but then again you know that this actually may work against you because now companies or HR, they are actually checking your facebook profile to see , to check on a person actually sometimes you are there to check our Linkedin profile they check uh whether anybody commented or you review you that actually check your facebook profile to see that


are you the really the person that you represented yourself uh in the interview because of me obviously interviews all about selling yourself is is you're not showing the truth self for yourself, you're just like uh trying to be a saleswoman a salesperson trying to get a job so basically


most employees employers are very careful nowadays they actually if you have a very vibrant facebook account they can just go in they will just see oh this person, is is this this this so happening like I don't know doing what every partying everyday or doing uh have some side income overnighting after work


uh so you see it it it works against you uh actually where you if you have all this uh you you have such a prominent, uh facebook page of yourself it actually may work against you rather than help you so so so I feel that we should have minimum exposure in in social media we should not expose ourselves too much online because if anything happens everybody has all the information on you and they can use it against you


and and we should not and I was fully endorsed that they should not have the rights to store and use our personal info because after all this is our information who who I should, they store it unless obviously now you know there's a there's a PDPA is very careful you have a tick and said you gave that information to contact you or to store certain information so that that I mean if you have given the consent


oh okay so be it but then again they should not abuse the data that they they collected for us and sell it to a third party, because most of the time these these platforms or social or social media platform they're just using our data and using it as a revenue driver for them to sell it to other organisations to to do for facebook ads


and and to get more revenue from themself, and they're making tons of money from it uh I don't knows they are smart or sad to say that you I mean that I have to say they're smart lah using our our information and identity to to get money


okay for the phone wise yes uh not all phone brands actually had the function that security function of face recognition so on and so forth yes obviously iphone and the big brands they had but the the the smaller brands do not have so there's always a risk that people will take your phone and abuse it and assume


your identity and just uh , uh they can use it like for example if they have access to your phone like you said the payment online yes like for example grab pay they can just use whatever money you have in your grab app, and just uh abuse it and just make payments everywhere


even Favepay they can just link if which is linked to your grab pay account or your credit card they can just abuse it as scan at all the various suppliers and vendors so that is very risky , uh when you allow that to happen , oh the only secure one which uh I've which you mentioned is very


uh DBS uh Paynow isn't Paynow but because there is actually the need uh password and a password is usually not safe so that is the only secure one but the other apps of the way the payment uh platform is so risky they can just they just scan your they they just take your your phone they enter grab into the grab app


they just make all the various top up your account and then they will just start, buying things using your account so that is totally putting yourself at risk because unless you obviously if you have a very good phone yes uh that that is already mitigated but if you do not have


everything will be abused they will just start spending money on your grab pay account your your Favepay account whatever account you they will just use it they'll just buying that they will just start buying thing from your your Ezbuy account because they have your password uh they will just start buying uh stuff online uh on lazada on Shopee so that


and you're putting ourselves at risk uh by by by endorsing that and allowing them to store your information I mean uh as much as they want, to to digitalize we should have uh some form of risk measurement in place to


to, to uh when we move forward in this digital age , as as everyones and governments endorsing uh e-payments like like china Alipay Wepay but those are most ah both both are more safer platforms because those


uh I mean they have tested and tried in china for so many years it's already uh tested platform but over in singapore uh this uh e-payment mode is still pretty new concept to to most singaporeans ah it's not really widely


are used by the older generation still and the young and is only used by the maybe the younger generation and the middle age group most people are still prefer hard cash, that's sad to say ya so I mean ya and now you're in so that's that's the risk that you are taking in I mean if you're comfortable with that or so be it but I mean when we want to move forward


we also have to take some form of err which miss risk in place risk measurements in place risk measurement in place yup


okay uh as I already mentioned already is a flip side thing is whether you you want security or you you want the benefits out of it it as, uh or like for example as you said #favepay#'s into grab pay you get the points you get uh benefits out of it but there's a flip side to it where you you may lose a uh everything that you have in your account because


when #favepay#'s linked to grab pay uh I and grab pay can just auto top up and then uh your money is all gone so it it's some you it it it's always have uh some flip side and you should always have uh risk, measures in place lah to mitigate the risk basically so ya


uh uh debate topic one


okay uh I opposed to this because it's like there's no people touch anymore, okay now is like uh thy going through uh internet and TV and newspaper is like you don't you don't see people anymore you seeing feet you're doing technologies which uh it becomes very irrelevant and feeling find it too and and nowadays nobody have time to actually watch TV


they actually always uh going out and all that so even though internet TV and newspaper it's something you can have fake news and all this thing going uh happening around you see so I find this is a bit uh irrelevant is like internet TV and newspaper has become like


and nothing right now okay so now the we need to actually meet people meet people is the one, that they're they're supposed to do that and communicate with each other rather than going through internet TV and newspaper where is the these people touch nowadays I don't think there is right now and what's the point they have internet and TV and newspaper and some people actually miss uh


uh communicated in the way that some people says that oh this is it supposed to be like that and it's supposed to be this way and where there is no the truth, it looks like everything seems to be like fake not like at the truth like you used to be previous time when there is no technology the technology going on there where you


meet people now you go on a train everybody is like using the phone they they don't actually communicate with each other okay now now you you see anyone dining out also is like , technology is one taking over over them so I find this technology kind of thing this internet and uh TV and newspaper is like it's really nothing for when we come to


I know it it should be a good thing but then I find it it's a bit no communication it looks like people are getting stone it become like uh nobody is having the the the the communication that you used to be love in communication that kind


they are lacking communication and people nowadays children is more like, advanced in technologies when our timing we used to have like sympathy and all this thing and everyone is in their own world right now it's like like their manga animation everything is all uh in their own world and people is like talking among themselves you know


all these thing is like being no point so for me I find this the age of internet is is really irrelevant and I don't really encourage on it, okay the


okay I understand what you're trying to say but the see due to the internet, there's a lot of hackers going in and trying to make a new viruses going on and and those people are actually passing through internet and all that and then when you click the link if it becomes a virus and Whampoa for your information in your computer or they can also provide go through your bank details and


know what's your account details and saving so and and newspaper actually nowadays you look at it nobody actually buy newspaper right now because everything is all online so it's like what's the point you you are supposed to save the tree, but all the newspapers are all not being buy unless there's four d and like that kind of thing and and now you're telling me of internet now and TV people buy TV is actually for big screen and all that to actually watch Netflix and dramas and when the more dramas you see you don't you're not going to sleep


because you are lacking of sleep and some people the more drama they see and more internet they see they get depressed, and they the thing all kind of wonders and all that and they will feel very down and depressed and all that and they will do funny funny things you know on online so I find this kind of thing is really is is actually making people in the human way in a very different kind of thing


so what's the point of having internet and all these TV and newspaper when our our human is actually lacking of sleep and we are , we are actually hydrating you know we're we're like we want more information from internet and you getting fake news and all these things


and the viruses and these viruses now you said everybody is going online to to to pay their stuff and all that and banks are being uh hack through internet internet ways and viruses, so now no there's everything is going online so no no point having internet the point of time that they actually can wipe off all your your your details uh they can even steal your identity through internet


so I find this is a bit a proposed to these because is like, and when ever since internet comes everything is all being online viruses and going online and now corona virus and GE it said everyone is


even even though the election is coming and all these thing , the whatever the past due to their own past and his own bringing it up through internet and and people get depressed buying you bringing up the past through internet way as spreading words so I find these a bit like more hypocrisy than than being uh the kind of thing


okay, so now you are telling about the anti virus okay anti virus is it's it's not cheap, nowadays it's it's expensive everything online which is like trying to firewalls you know that it's it's actually costs more than hundred over bucks so I find anti-viruses yes it's good but it costs a lot but who can actually afford anti-viruses


be like if senior citizen you also actually using the internet will they know about anti-viruses I don't think so okay, and young children young children actually like they you sometime they have these you go to the internet and they had this advertisement which go to the dodgy website in everything and they


tend to actually go and tap on it and he went to some dodgy website and which it leads to a very young age that you have to see this kind of thing that actually, portrayed on their mind where the adult, adult sites and all that so I find it a bit this is this is getting worse and worse for for young children nowadays and forge older generation where they're using hand mobile phone you know thy Whatsapp and all that


whatever news they get they get all the fake news and they are one they are first one who actually spread among everybody, then they it it can be like a few years ago the story or uh uh this time around the story and they can actually uh spread fake news very easily and due to that the seniors are actually


how they get scam they get all the the internet scams like uh or maybe some a lot of them like they have love scam and uh bit coin scam and some internet actually really like, lure them to to have uh some internet scams and all these scams are actually like


and they lose a lot of money and all these things so I find this internet nowadays is actually giving a lot of problem to to the the world right now which is , uh making the world in upside down rather than the previously where we do not have internet and we have communicated with each other with the human uh where you have actually have people around


to talk to rather than speaking will not meet each other this is what my point of view myself


yup yup , debate topic two


okay , why why do they need to be anonymous err right now because if you wanted to voice out okay you you're supposed to be telling it up from from your perspective, why do you need to be remain anonymous so when this being anonymous then what was the point of being you voicing out when you want people to gather your feedback so you you don't want you don't want to actually identify yourself and then what's the point of people going to be taking your word


for the the the reason, you see so anna willing willing to voice out there's the the the opinion not from them makes it more actually that you can make it works you see so if you don't try to remain anonymous I I find it like


I find it what what's the point you are you're just wasting your time like, you are creating uh uh uh uh, self pity on on on on yourself like telling and you try to be remain anonymous and and all the all all kind of things I I find it if you have the rights and you want to tell something


I I it's better to be to tell their identity and make sure that they're you're you're voice out actually follow up rather than being anonymous and you don't want anybody to know who you are and I find it like it's a waste of uh each other's time


like you are not going to let anybody know what's your opinion and uh voicing out doesn't make sense at all so this is what I'm I I have to say for this


okay , ah ah I get it when you say freedom of speech and sensitive issue uh if if they read, if they wanted to do this freedom of speech and something which issue at first place it shouldn't be doing it in the first place, they shouldn't be like putting in media so when you are putting it in the media and you want to be anonymous I find it ridiculous so if you really wanted to put freedom of speech and you want people to voice up show yourself


and then find yourself and when it comes to work when when it comes to work it's better to actually voice out your yourself like to tell while people like what is it but remain to be anonymous of your own work how are you going to being appreciated when nobody knows uh what you have done and whatever you want uh freedom of speech


you want the company to do well you and then find yourself and voice it out so if you want to be remained anonymous for this kind of thing that you want to voice out and uh freedom of speech in a workplace I find it ridiculous and, what's the point that you wanted to maintain and and uh just be normal and after voicing up like you don't want to be a uh and you want other people to take whatever whatever you say your own shit that kind of thing


so uh all these things you we can be also the truth or a fake so if if you as a the person who already breathing to to tell the truth or the fake news uh in media, so I I feel like it's better to put your name and deputy and put yourself and and you can get to what uh what uh feedback you can get but if you want to be will remain anonymous for all kind of thing I don't think people actually appreciate the kind of uh being anonymous they will be treating it as


as nothing and it just another person who's being anonymous so there will be a lot of like hundred of them being anonymous telling this kind of thing and you you don't want to you don't want to voice it out and you don't want them to identify yourself , I find it what's the point of putting it in media then you shouldn't be putting it in media in first place


I find that if if this kind of way that being remain anonymous will be like another person will come and take over whatever you just said so is like you you are the one who voice it out and if they could get they gain credit on whatever you says so


I find, remain anonymous for this kind of thing that people are getting credit for what other people says I find it is like , , you stealing another different uh identity from someone who want to voice it out but but uh hope you can make it like a better make it a feedback kind of a session kind of thing but


somebody gain the credits and , a a third party actually gain a credits of whatever you says so , that is the reason that I find that remain anonymous for in in media it it seems that somebody's going to steal your ideas and everything whatever uh you you voice it out it it becomes yes so rather than have like identity to tell that this is mine and this is what I say


so it works it out rather than being uh remain anonymous or whatever you says and someone steal your ideas I find it like, it's a bit like opposed to this kind of answers that kind


I got nothing to say


okay, part three debate topic three


okay, uh I think I love this topic because uh it seems to be right for me so now it seems to be like social media I I agree that it should store, personal information because easy when you do registration online where you just like put in your like the the link it up to some of your social media it comes out


all information that you already previously have inputed so you you actually don't have to re-type it again and or use uh all your personal information that you're whether you're female or male you know the kind of information and all that so it's easy access for me


find it and now you if you seems to say that Singpass, now we have this two FA so it actually link it up to your your uh mobile phone where you need to have a second second security of, two FA and it's easy access and you when you whenever now you have to go for like save entry


you don't have to re-type everything again you just scan it up all the information uh all into a social media everything it's all in the internet so it's easy to just scan it and just go in and and uh for me social media is one thing is good is that you can actually store your pictures


you know that kind of information that your all that were your and and my facebook you can actually have all your, your memories of your facebook uh pictures and all that it it can store it up for up to ten or twenty oh uh how many years also you'll be still in the social media unless you and you can actually have the rights to to actually whether you want to make it a a security like privacy who you do not want to let


uh for to to see on your personal information but I find it that social media uh is actually internet it's kind of uh usage for the year for have your personal information like even though you want to find a job everything is all inside uh internet that you actually put in your social media and you can actually use it


and and make it an easy access and you don't have to retype it from square one and to think about what to write because it's all been stored and in the safe, place in the social media and that where they have security system which is a very good system that actually everyone can actually put it in and I find #Singpass# kind of ways that that it's good that that you can actually


put there and and everybody is easy to access to whatever you want to see on your CPF on your your tax everything all information are all in the internet right now so , this is all social media and and it, your personal information in it's you so if anybody who's trying to steal information from you you need to have to have a where some


those people who don't have your mobile number and your your two FA pin code they can't access your personal information so I find that uh it it's right to have actually stored all your personal information in social media


for for me I find it like you said like phone like what you were trying to say that the what if peoples take the phone and then uh steal the phone and actually but nowadays when you can't actually when people steal the phone they can't even use it , because they have this find your phone like for iphone and they need your face id and all that and he can't even open up the phone you can't even hack the phone right now


so you now if you lose your phone everything you can it it actually we can't even use it so your phone is become a dummy for them, and and the thing is for like Linkedin, it it's good to have your personal information down there so it when comes to work they


uh companies can actually look through you and your personal information of your your where you actually went uh which company you actually went to work all those uh your personal information so actually when in find find it like in linkedin which is in social media which is a uh good


for businesses and advertisement is and in linkedin it's good for, our personality that people actually can find you, with with your own personal information if you don't have any personal information in this kind of social media while linkedin it's a bit difficult to actually like for search for job


and uh to to look through to to find the person who's actually good for their businesses you know that kind of thing and and wanting for, phone as also like we have nowadays we're going cash-free, so all the information are stored in your in in in internet which is your phone is also in you need to secure in your uh in the internet in the clouds and actually have to you don't have to pay a cash to your your physically


you can actually just like is a tap and go because everything your personal information is stored in a very private and uh security way that, nowadays every everything is all online so I find it that, uh they should have the rights to store in our personal information in certain of way because it makes it easier for us to to actually do things rather than doing the manual we and and in a difficult way so


personal information this kind of personal information with high security within social media I I find it it's is it's a good thing in fact


for me I find this kind of information is uh it's good okay because like uh like what you said that uh information all these are actually it it's your information is your personal information and and


you have passwords and everything so well nowadays you can go to any where like you see like, the grab pay you know you can actually link it up to another another you can link it up grab and Fave together with your own personal information so you can actually earn points to that so when you have all these thing you need your personal information for all these


and it is actually a good advantage for those people who is actually doing, in social media which is in in internet so when you have all these thing it's it's it's, good for for personal use actually and it's easier and I find it very useful and more more advance in technologies the kind so


I think it should they should have the rights to store your personal information


uh sorry am I supposed to read the topic ya you can, okay the cross island line should be built under our nature reserve


uh okay uh, firstly uh the cross island line is actually a very important part of uh singapore's transport infrastructure, uh as we are developing uh rapidly still as a uh first first world country and our population is growing as well so there have been many studies that were conducted and uh engineers have assured us that


they have green equipment and are able to conduct green initiatives so the the cross island line will not be entirely uh detrimental to our nature reserve because , we will still implement uh the building with green equipment and conduct green initiatives to protect the nature reserve


okay so uh you mentioned about the duration of uh, the effects being felt so uh as this point has been raised up if let's say we were to go around the nature reserve it would actually take a longer construction time and the longer


the construction has to happen the longer the disruption to nature and residence will take place and also the longer that will, the longer time there will be noise pollution waste pollution as well as traffic congestion


so, wouldn't it make more sense to shorten the construction timing by building it under our nature reserve to cause less disruption to nature and residence around the area


okay uh, uh understand where you are coming from however the ministry has also raised the point that


uh, if we were to build it under the nature reserve it will be it will cost us two billion dollars more, because of the uh


sorry if we were to ya if we were to build it under the nature reserve, if we were to build it under the nature reserve it will be two billion dollars cheaper, so wouldn't it


if we were to weigh the pros and cons if we were to build it around it would take uh, longer time and sometimes major projects such as this one, have a lot of cock-ups


so it might add on to more costs so if let's say we were to build it directly under the nature reserve the shorter time could also translate to less, problems uh uh happening which means less addition to the project costs so wouldn't that


make a strong argument as to why it should be built under the nature reserve


okay uh, I would like to disagree with your point because uh I believe that we can see that the ministry and the government has been actively constructing uh


park connectors for singaporeans uh and and as well as a trail paths for us to enjoy uh nature and at the same time we have uh the very successful, uh eco bridge along uh the highway uh I believe you would have come across the eco bridge which is builds uh specially to preserve the biodiversity uh that singapore has


and uh at the same time by building the cross island line under our nature reserve , like I've mentioned earlier it will be nine kilometres shorter than if we skirt around the nature reserve


so in if if we look at it in the long term it is actually more environmentally friendly because it allows the train to consume less energy by being able to travel less distance


okay so uh in response to that I'd like to bring up that


err the government has been very active in recent years in educating singaporeans uh, uh the young as well as the old on the importance on being eco friendly as well as uh reducing waste uh reducing carbon footprint


so the very intention of increasing connectivity in singapore is, partly to reduce our carbon footprint reduce the reliance, on uh cars and uh personal uh personal vehicles so the focus


would be to encourage people to use uh public transport as the main source as the main means of transport around uh around the island and at the same time our government has been uh releasing many initiatives, such as uh encouraging people to recycle plastic bottles uh in exchange for uh some monetary incentives there are many uh families who bring down uh their kids


uh to participate in such uh initiatives and uh the influence, uh starts uh from uh, started from our government and then it trickled down to uh the parents and then the kids so such uh behaviour would uh slowly be ingrained into uh the younger generation uh


and they'll be more educated on how to be eco-friendly whilst at the same time being able to pursue uh, growth in the economy


okay as we said earlier, uh that we're looking down at the, uh time frame of fifty to a hundred years, so as we all know the effects of a global


warming and climate change didn't happen overnight it took uh many years uh as much as fifty to a hundred before we feel the effects during at this present time, so it also goes for the same thing as uh educating the people about uh being sustainable being uh eco-friendly and making a conscious effort to reduce carbon footprint so uh


these are small steps that our government has already taken and it is actually a big sign that uh more change is to come in the future so I believe that in the near future we would see more, green initiatives such as


uh those in other countries maybe even like our our neighbouring country taiwan where people there make a effort to separate their home waste into, uh different uh types of ways and the country actually uh recycles them accordingly


so yes this is my point


, okay so to repeat you are saying that the government uh is saying that they would like to build, the cross island line under the nature reserve to save the two billion dollars instead of skirting around the reserve but on the other hand they're contradicting themselves by raising the fares of uh


public transport okay the, main reason as to why public transport uh fares are increasing is that if you noticed over the years the quality of the trains and the buses that we have the cabins


they are much newer than in the past now we have a digital screens in the train telling us what is the next stop what is available at the next stop and in buses we have uh, well air-conditioned uh uh


ventilated uh buses we have very nicely uh, cushion seats we have, uh eco-friendly buses as well, err, all these took time to develop, uh some some research and development some IT testing so what we are paying for is the quality of uh the trains the quality of the buses which is why uh transport fares have been gradually increase uh over the years


okay, debate topic two men is helpless in the face of climate change


okay uh, so , as you have mention, uh the point where we have so much knowledge now and that we have uh advanced uh to this day and age , uh, however uh I will use the most recent example of the COVID nineteen virus as you can see despite uh being uh


so uh advanced in technology so advanced in medicine and so advanced in uh our knowledge of uh climate change uh the environment and so on so many countries are still grappling with the effects of COVID nineteen


and uh I feel like we as a species the human species uh cannot uh cannot, we can only overcome the effects of the change in environment to a certain extent however uh the environment is ultimately still more powerful than us because the environment is uh


so so so called like where we come from so we are like the subset of the environment and the climate itself


okay as you have mentioned that uh, men is very adaptable to his environment however in this day uh we are seeing more and more, uh, artificial intelligence more and more, uh, robots replacing humans so will you not agree that in order to adapt to climate change we are actually moving to a phase where robots might actually one day be become the new type of uh


species that is uh running around this planet


okay so on the point on of uh space exploration


why why many of us feel that we we as a species is uh helpless in the face of climate change is because we are finding that earth is becoming, more and more unlivable for our


future generations and uh so much money has been pumped into uh looking for alternatives such as uh maybe considering mars as the next earth where we can, uh live in but


at the same time uh, space exploration is also used as a means by many countries, to flaunt their power to flaunt their wealth, and uh many of us know that uh such a


economic struggle, for wealth and power usually comes at the cost of the environment so whilst we are looking for an alternative at the same time we are also causing


detrimental effects to the current environment that we are living in and thereby worsening uh the effects of uh climate change


alright so to this point I would like to pose a question to you so as you said that there are many uh clean energy initiatives


to overcome the the effects of uh climate change and global warming however do you think that the, effects can come in time before our environment is fully destroyed


because uh as we all know now uh so many parts of the world are facing extreme weather conditions that they normally do not experience many countries are also experiencing a heavy flooding


uh the ice caps in the antarctic is already melting, and how long do you think the effects of clean energy of eco-friendly initiatives will come into play so that they can stop the effects of climate change


okay so uh this is uh very uh positive uh light on the topic however back uh to the point on world dominance uh at this point in time we still see several countries who are


facing very fundamental issues such as poverty uh, err in an increasing uh disparity in uh the economic status and a large population of the people are living under the poverty line


simply because their governments have their own selfish political agenda and at the same time being very, corrupted so with such, uh leadership how would it even be possible for these people to think about the environment


uh so many of them like living in the slums and they survive next to the dirty rivers where they use it to uh, wash their clothes shower uh clean themselves in discharged waste disposed waste err some of them can be very dangerous chemicals and in some countries let's say in africa


uh many of them live nearby uh a a big plots of land waste that is filled with uh electronic waste that exposes them to chemicals like uh I lead uh


and so on so but nothing has been done to eradicate uh these uh uh situations so how can we as a entire uh world


uh combat climate change if countries such as uh india such as africa and so on have many people who are still lives uh stuck in the vicious cycle of uh poverty


so for for example a country like north korea where many of, the citizens do not even have access to a worldwide news do not have access to uh internet access even


where they many of them do not have smartphones and do not know what is social media it is the same thing for people who are living uh down in the slums in uh, very impoverished states uh of the world so these people consists of a large population of the entire world


and if let's say you are talking about the ideology you are talking about their uh mindset of the governments and the political parties in, every country but why do we still see for example a huge reliance of africa on china why are they


uh focusing mainly on uh, each other's resources for economic gain for uh gaining a power over the other country all these are done at the expense


of the climate everyone is pursuing their own economic growth and progress with disregard to the environment


okay, debate topic three, going green makes good business sense


to counter this I would like to say that going green has actually met several legal and tax advantages, so uh for example


there has been states who crack down emission allowances such that big companies like uh, fedex and general electric have incorporated green technology to reduce emissions and


comply with these standards and several of these states actually give tax credits and incentives to these companies for being green so it does not actually make it more expensive it actually incentivises them by giving them credits


for going green in their businesses


uh to uh


to add on on the example that you have uh given I would say that uh for this particular example it is the, it rides on the very theory of demand and supply so uh I would say that in singapore the demand for tesla cars tesla vehicles is very low so thereby making it uh


the demand is very low so thereby making it uh more expensive for that anyone who actually wants to own a tesla vehicle


okay so when it when we talk about uh the production of such uh, products we can safely say that if let's say we were to manufacture uh plastic cups and plastic straws


the process would uh would emit much more uh harmful pollutants out to our environment compared to if we were to manufacture, uh, a wooden straw or a paper straw because several of these uh


raw materials have already been recycled in our waste centres in uh instead of let's say we were to manufacture uh, plastic and if we were to talk about trimming the cost it would definitely reduce any unnecessary waste through the manufacturing process hence allowing the companies to save energy utility and eventually increase their bottom line


, if we talk about uh