and at when the number of death increases it brings a an alarming message to everyone that, uh look it's environmental or, uh the only the only reason it can actually provide a better living for everyone or rather having a basic needs that would keep people sustainable uh or enough to live by


I still, believe that, basic needs is is is the utmost important uh because I believe the the thing that kills people faster than environment itself, uh would definitely be not having


not having, uh source of food you know and source of water whether the quality of these food and water are of


it is is coming from the environment but if they if if in the first place they don't don't they don't even have the basic needs how is it even the environment itself going to contribute to their life do you know what I mean for example I put it in the case whereby, if if in a family a poor family that's living in the rural areas of vietnam for example and they have and probably they have source of food uh could be from their own plantation and also could be uh water can be coming from the river right and this uh and and and this makes sense do you agree


like they have this source of food but if they were not to have the basic needs in terms of , having health uh, for example health insurance or even a basic clinic that can, address to medical uh these these people's medical need uh in as simple as infections alright


if they don't have that then whatever the environment is doing would not would definitely contribute to the death, but I think what kills them, more would be in uh in, not having this basic needs it could have been as simple as depression right if someone has suicidal thoughts because of that


the poor quality of living that they have, how is that environment would be able to help in terms to address mental issues that is that cannot be documented uh doctors can prescribe you the medications but then again they would not be able to access the medications because they


do not have the basic health a basic needs to even have access to it what do you think mister Dhatri


understand understand


yes uh I believe those uh diseases are because of the environmental but, would you agree with me that these all could be prevented, uh hold on mister Dhatri let me present my case here uh just to close the discussion


that I believe that these diseases could have better prevented if they have the basic needs met for example vaccination, I I believe in every country vaccinations is very important from the time you are being, you're you're a baby up to your adulthood and


I believe gonorrhea is actually a disease, because of man it's a man made disease uh it is not because of the environment thank you mister Dhatri,


part three debate topic tree


thank you mister Dhatri I believe, that you have mentioned some influential and strong people who have very strong reach in in the public's eye however I believe and these individuals that you have listed as heroes on environmentalism they are not rebels I would believe that they are


actually opportunists uh in a sense that they are jumping in onto a bandwagon uh because if you were to really define the real heroes of environmentalism in my generation I'll believe uh will be


individuals like sir david attenborough if I pronounce him correctly uh prince charles himself, uh in in in more of the twentieth century uh and if we would go, back in the decades to be mother teresa who have ventured beyond their personal uh efforts to spread the news of environmentalism and I think the the real uh the real heroes uh would be definitely everyone right it's not secluded to just a specific group of people because environmentalism


requires the the efforts of every individual on earth that means five billion efforts right because we have five billion people on earth as of now and if five, billion of these individuals work hand in hand having the same view then there shouldn't be heroes


right, it is something that we should incorporate in our real life and also our daily habits and, uh but I I will not I will not discount the the efforts that these individuals that you have mentioned earlier because I do believe that they have good intentions and some of their efforts do help in the overall uh campaign of protecting the environment but I believe it is more than


just a group of people I would say everyone, it is the real heroes


yes they definitely have the ability to spread their message out of a into into many different uh parts of the world, and I I believe the fans are the ones that are uh would listen to them the most but we could not or we cannot deny the fact that these individuals who


who are preaching uh environmentalism they are also preaching a lifestyle that goes against it, let me put it for example if you were to mention uh leonardo dicaprio uh or uh beyonce and jay-z I believe these people


have done their uh their their part in the environmental uh efforts but they are also projecting a lifestyle that goes against it, for example having having a cold drinks, uh they they they they they they encourage a certain brands they stand behind certain brands that actually contributes to the pollution itself and this is not merely of uh because of the companies that produce the product that causes this effect


but also because of the lifestyle that they project to to to to to their fans uh who may, we cannot which we I've been I agree that we cannot put the blame solely on these individuals because it's still a personal choice but I believe like you have mentioned earlier their ability to spread the message about environmentalism


is it can also be applied when uh on other aspects of their uh lifestyle which goes against it


I I'm definitely not telling you on this but I'm I'm I'm, putting my point from uh from from a point where, these these individuals who are considered rebels uh from your team uh I would believe that indeed they're form of rebels actually


do not uh, reciprocate or rather have, uh, positive effect on the environment, if we if we were to if you were to if we were to actually list down, the the the results of their their their personal efforts it cannot be


quantify or rather we don't see it actually happening, alright if a post of if if they do have any uh public campaigns that they have run uh it'll it would probably just for


for popularity sake or just jumping on the bandwagon as, what I said earlier because I don't actually see, any of their, any of them actually stepping on the ground uh like if you were to see david attenborough he actually goes to many different parts of the world uh


to speak up about this, and his followings are people from the environment industry, what do you think mister Dazrin


okay wonderful wonderful but uh I would like to get your point of view on on on uh on this statement do you agree and this is actually a question that's address addressing the discussion here, do you agree that people, would be


uh would work towards more environmental conserving the environment uh but not intentionally, because there are fines alright because for example if someone were to litter and that affects the environment correct agree that's point number one point number two is the government issues a fine or penalties to individuals who perform this action


so if you were to think of these two point and we bring it back to the topic of real heroes I believe, government laws and regulations, could be a better hero uh and actually a a a bigger rebel because in a sense that they actually have an immediate effect


what do you think mister Dazrin, I mean I yes ya


which in the first place is the very reason, very well so if we were to take into a context whereby if you are looking at the real heroes that


actually helps to boost environmentalism and are considered rebels are actually fined or laws and regulations that are imposed to individuals who performed such act that actually brings detrimental effects to the environment, wouldn't you agree that this itself is actually a form of rebel that has an immediate effect


to the environment, rather than having someone, it is a it's a it's a it it's a chain of effect so first an individual get fine they they would they would be they would they'll be uh uh they would think twice to to to litter again


and that also actually has an immediate effect to actually reduce any detrimental effects to the environment and in fact the fine or rather the whole penalty being applied to the individual is a rebel on its own


like the act that act the the the fine the penalty this this form of action is actually a a form of rebel also


no I'm I'm stating that the uh that having fines and legal penalties on individuals who were to litter, are actually eh ya ya ya, yes yes okay yes yes


I think partially it does in terms of the definition of rebels but I to sum it up, uh to sum everything up I believe uh I still stand on the point, where I disagree that the real heroes of environmentalism are rebels where it requires eh ya every individual effort


uh government policies environmental policies , organisations such as the asean the the EU uh bigs uh big organisations such as they should impose policies to control the human actions and uh I believe that


itself would surpass uh any rebels that uh would would come off uh or rather step into the public and pushing the idea or rather supporting the idea of environmentalism


I believe environmentalism is yes


uh I think it's it's a fair point uh but I still do not believe that they are the real heroes, because a definition of hero is someone that, save, save someone from from disaster and well anything that goes


beyond a traditional way it's it's a rebel uh to combine these both I think there is no perfect or a single individual can define such uh role


part one debate topic one


I just start okay how's, can I okay, so the question states that discuss the view that environmental conservation efforts today are nothing more than a token gesture so I personally feel that it wait ah get a pause of it (ppc) my brain just froze


how does that sound ah bro got the wind wind wind or is it just me, okay


as I was saying I am pro on this statement reason being because as much as it's very subjective I feel that there's one statement that I'm referring this from and like the first being which is regarding greenhouse gases


so there was a there was a climate conference recently in copenhagen and a lot of like the world leaders are, got the sound from, there's a there's a, there's a climate, conference in copenhagen where I'm referring this source from and I think a lot of world leaders were there so


what I could refer from this is that , I think with everyone having very different views towards this is very subjective because I feel each country let's say they have their own ways of they have their own like emission rates right let's say for CO two so you have the danish


PM saying that so so his statement was that he will not , he will not confide with the other nations and and put in and and reduce the emission right so we have other leaders coming in to say otherwise like why he should be doing so like let's say we have


barack obama and like a few other world leaders coming forward to tell him to reduce the the gas emissions but and there are a lot of bold statements being made there I'm getting feedback guys I don't know why


give me a while lah, I turn off my air-cond first, sorry sorry sorry, is this being capture into recording not handsome right


such a bad first debate house I'm so sorry bro, I need I need the flow bro yes copanhagen yes so okay so basically the gist of it is that we have


these guys on the other side saying that they should be reducing their their their CO two emissions and what not right but the people who are asking uh let's say denmark to do so like let's say I'm not a hater of barack obama I'm a big fan of him actually but you see I think


US is the highest , it causes the most pollution lah basically injust right but you have states like that , going forward to tell other countries to to do so and I feel like


there's a lot of press statement saying different things to towards this topic, and I think how do I say this ah, uh, I need you to shoot me lah how , ah this is


a terrible first debate bro where's our flow bro


yes correct I am supporting


would have benefit is that what you saying, I'm not just adventitious okay


okay so I personally think it's uh it's not fully on like one side of the plane right so like for example where you were saying that okay like we have animal planet and whatnot showcasing some of these topics


on on air I think to a certain extent yes it is meant for for for people to to address the whole issue and awareness with with all these environmental issues but I think there's


hello ya okay, yes uh where were we at blue planet right blue planet okay


okay I personally feel that it's also subjective because with regards to everything that you said like for example we take we take the point where you said it's unbiased right like I feel that to a certain extent it's, it's quite bias as well right so if you have like let's say the meat industry right like how initially it was such a profitable profitable industry and like how some countries were were were racing towards producing more and more meat


until recently when everybody else was addressing the the whole CO two emissions from cars and everything else but then what they were overlooking was methane produce from cows it themselves and, I think when we are looking at certain media platforms as you were talking about there there are some (ppc) there are some


shows that that do showcase, that do showcase the uh, that do showcase,


house back me up, , bro every time you give the feedback you kill my my train of thoughts you know, this is not fair you are doing this on purpose right bro, okay so so what I'm trying to say basically is that


you can't say that it's unbiased because it is biased to a certain extent , you have certain people backing some of the the shows that you are talking about like let's say you have those shows on netflix where they talk about , going vegan and how meat meat is meat is producing a lot of CO two emissions and whatnot but the people who are backing them are also also has a hidden uh a hidden agenda involved it can be


certain govern government bodies or even like actors themselves like leonardo dicaprio or whatnot who are backing these shows but I feel to to a huge extent it's, more bias I feel because you you don't make quite a bit of profits from some from some of these things and I feel whoever is the first to move into market to talk about some of these issues will be


showcase as the leading brands right so is there is the same thing with uh with how meat meat started out like you know like before it became such a profitable industry addressing your issue on like some of those multi multimedia platforms as you were saying


okay I'll still I'll still fight on that fact because I still feel a lot of the points that has been made is still cherry-picked uh cherry-picked on because like let's say you are addressing the whole issue of like reducing pollution et cetera et cetera but I think when it comes to reducing pollution


like it's very subjective right you can say like oh you are reducing pollution from from like


part two debate topic


okay I am going to start


so I'm going to start house okay, should poorer should poorer countries address environmental issues when the basic needs of their own people are not being met okay by and large I think the poorest people in the poorest countries are the most affected by environmental degradation


they have to make a living from marginal lands forest coastal waters are the paraphrase of urban centres the urban poor are the most exposed to severe air and water pollution, and cannot escape from the negative impacts of organisation right so this is how it will end women and children who are uh often responsible for tasks related to water and fuel collection are disproportionately affected as well but in many cases environmental issues


at environmental assets I feel make a far larger relative contribution to national wealth in developing countries than in high-income country, in give me awhile lah


okay, shoot me back on that on that topic bro


okay I okay I personally feel that it's subject subjective to to, which country it is and I think as a whole like you still need to address the the whole issue globally so like everybody has their part to play in that and if we are being selfish ya


where when it comes to to debating on the fact whether like the basic needs of their own people are not being met I feel is that, like it's sad to say that I think sometime in third world countries there's a lot of corruption that occurs from the the leaders leading these countries itself and


okay I get I get I get where you coming, from, but I still feel it's kind of link to the environmental issue to a to a certain extent like let's say as you were saying like you have those villagers back


back in vietnam right who are who are facing some of these issues but what if they were actually focusing on the environmental issue of like let's say getting uh cleaner water you know it and, and getting like just just basically as a whole like giving them a better better place to to live I guess in that sense then I don't think (ppc) it will pour over to like the the urban side of of the country right like in your hanoi or wherever because I feel


if like those basic needs are are met (ppc) they won't, I I it gives them a lesser reason, to to to, partake in any crime or or whatever, what are your thoughts on that


why would you bring it back to singapore that's a first world country bro


no because , education is not something you can control right so like I feel like if if the quality of the teachers it counts the facilities of the educational institution it counts so like there's a lot more to that that counts and it's not as simple as like oh I want to indoctrinate some of my


some of my guys and like tell them lah okay there's there's this issue and like this is how I'm going to address this issue I don't think like that's how we should do it because if like let's say whereby if you are addressing the whole, issue of environment, addressing the environment itself I think it's easier for for let let's say the the government bodies to


to maintain the quality throughout, you know because it's it's a norm, it's easier to QC I guess in that sense so like let's say across the states I need like X-per cent of like you know like, good uh adequate drinking water so like or like temperature shouldn't hit a certain point you know like


et cetera et cetera I I think it's easier for you to control that, as with as compared to to education itself because like how can you control like if like some some of the uh the parents if they don't want to send their their kids to school because of financial issues or like


certain teachers don't don't educate the the kids in the religious at as well then I still think it's gonna be a vicious cycle, moving forward you know I don't know what do you think about that


okay so like my point against that is that let's say we we do address from how you said it right so like let's say we do address like some some basic needs so , we give them minimum wages and whatnot so just to increase the quality of living right I think


the money that you you spend to to do that would would be better thrown off into the environment because if let's say you reduce pollution it will also reduce your your death rates right especially in a third world country where like it's a it's a no brainer for you to to


to drink water from the taps or like you know like to you know whichever way like in in your day to day life so I feel like if, if the the states were cleaner if like even the the villagers were cleaner you know like cleaner with with proper drinking water


just better environment as a whole even farmers themselves can like can grow better crops you know without without having an issue and I think it's self-sufficing for for like these these guys too, to live lah you know and still it will help address the the death counts like you would say you know and that uh like if you are focusing on the environment more so then I feel like if you are trying to to go and affect on increasing minimum wages and whatnot


by just coming from the environment know that is coming from the environment itself so shouldn't


but but backdating to that problem I still the issue here is because of the environment itself right so like how did you get malaria how how do you have, diarrhoea or gonorrhoea like it's all because of the environment to uh environment in the first place right so like if you don't have like like I say if you don't have like proper drinking water or like you know like and whatever not I think the dollar to dollar value if you are if you are going to to


to address this issue I feel it's it's a lot more efficient if the funds are are being falls into into this as compared to, in the public's case of addressing basic needs because you can't really control that right so like if if like you said we get more hospitals on board we get like you know like whichever like clinics or whatever lah in in smaller cities


to help address this issue I think in the first place if like there were (ppc) there was a better facility in in those in those places then I don't think any of these issues would even arise in the first place you know so I I don't I still feel that


environmental issue should, go over the the basic needs of of these people because it'll come uh like subsequently ones like this this this issue is is address like the basic needs and everything else will will come into picture


no I will not agree with you


part three debate topic three


okay house I'll like to start this discussion so the real heroes of environmentalism are rebels I am pro against this (ppc) and I do feel that most of those guys so I do who are supporting this movement in


are you guys hearing that or is it just me ah it's just me is it


okay so I feel that


[orh] now it no more already okay, !haiya! I think it's you lah house, the real heroes of environmentalism are rebels yes I feel that they are because I feel a lot of the people who are supporting the movements


uh let's say for for the most part of it are people who are, very very vocal and very outspoken like you're celebrities right so who else if not then, can lead like such movement so like for example as I was saying in my previous topics that uh we have leonardo dicaprio who is supporting who is funding actually some of the the


movies and the films that are made on netflix with regards to to veganism and whatnot and he does have his other peers in the industry like let's say jay-Z and beyonce who is, who is by far I think if with regards to anybody else while we mentioning is definitely labelled as a rebel because they don't they don't


conform to social norm I guess in that sense and, these are people who who do not go go by your your usual playbook of of like what the uh what the the normal people would do right so like them and you have like people like miley cyrus also


supporting veganism since twenty fourteen and it's because of all these people that there has been a lot of change to how the the other people in at least my generation have been thinking about the environment so like


taking shorter showers you know like uh eating your your your greens more than your your meat itself you know so like I feel like, if it's I have not seen anybody else who are not rebels who have have been able to to influence I guess people successfully


to, at least not not not in my eyes house what do you think about this


I see okay you've got a very good point nah but I would like to to rebut that again as I was, positive , so uh


I still feel to to a very very large extent that you have to be a rebel at of some sort to be able to to move like you said like we have five billion people how else do you not change uh a large group of people's mindset to think differently


(ppc) like let's say like, as I was saying like methane and like CO two emissions was like are like way, too high right and it's because like people are still eating a lot of meat right so like how else do you fight that like I don't


think the government bodies have been doing a good job or like people who are who are labelled as non-rebels I guess in that sense have been doing a good job, because your schools if they are educating you or indoctrinating you into in that point I guess like it's not it's not, changing anything not until there is a


there is like somebody in the limelight who's addressing this issue and if like these are some of the people who are making that change I feel like it will cost uh a larger ripple effect to to everybody else who are huge huge followers of some of these guys you know and like for the most part of it


they are they they are, rebels I guess in that sense you know I and I don't think that let's say for for like the when when you say like [orh] it's a collective effort and like how like you know like one person can yeah sure ya they can do that but I just feel like it will take a longer time and I feel like


for the most part of it these these guys who are rebels like they are able to to influence faster and at a at a wider range lah I guess in that sense I don't know what do you feel about about that


but the question that we are trying to address at is that because they are rebels so shouldn't uh aren't those like some of the characteristic traits that rebels have like you know like whatever that you have just mentioned just now, so I feel I are you siding me on this


okay I I'm I'm still against that point because I feel like like when you do say that , you can't really wait right I guess in that sense what you going to say like , but I feel like in whatever way that you are doing it like if like let's say you are running a country right you have all these prime ministers and presidents you can't get everything right what right so I think it's all about perspective so like I feel like if if like if that's how you're saying it I don't agree with you because like


to a large extent like when they were rebelling against like , some of these other other things that other people don't like let's say like eating Mee or like you know like turning on the air-con twenty-four-seven or like you know which whichever it is so like


I feel like if they are not the ones saying these things I feel like it will have lesser impact I guess in that sense and if you are having lesser impact then it it's not going to change a thing lah, you know to the environment so ultimately I still feel like these these are the guys who are who are the real heroes lah you know I guess in that sense


, yes but those who are protecting the environment , , can can can you please repeat can you please repeat


your your previous statement I think I kind of lost my train of thought lah I didn't really catch you on the fines


which is which is the one that you're saying you're saying a lot like that the fines or the effect of the fines or which is


I don't understand the last part though like if if they're rebel on their own what do you mean, it's a form of rebels also so that isn't that means you're you're siding me on on this point


[orh] okay I get where I get where you're coming from [orh] I see, okay that that then that bring us back to the first first opening statement right like how do we actually define


when someone is a rebel or not right so like where I was coming from was that like if like somebody was uh a lot more vocal and uh outspoken you know like then that is where I would like label them as a rebel at least in this topic if we are we are at we are we are debating on this but not


not in the way that you have just described those people who uh I think that's not being a rebel I think that's just them being ignorant like you know if you are like littering like you know for for the sake of doing it or you know it's it's not it's not that's not being a a rebel I feel like where I'm coming from is that


you are just going against, whatever like everybody else is is doing lah you know, so, ya I guess I guess I hope that answers your question I don't know does that answer your question mister house


okay can we digress away and talk about like other more important issues , , because I I I kind of got lost lost in your conversation there but I feel like if you are going back and I just want to make one last strong point before we end this


debate is that, in injust I feel that , like let's say if you're just talking, about like the whole meat thing and like you know land like you know and like global warming caused by the half of these things that we we just mentioned earlier on is that there's a lot of organisations like you were saying that is benefiting from your definition of heroes which I feel is not cool which is why


the the movements or like some of the activities that some of the the rebels are doing like you know your celebrities and whatnot, like these are the ones that are causing uh , these are the ones that are causing , some of the changes you know so like going going green to like your your diets and and whatnot like these are the ones that are uh are helping the environment to a to a large extent lah you know and these are the real heroes that are going against some of the biggest organisations out there you know so


ya I I do feel that that this this would this is just where I'm coming from uh do what what do you think mister house


but that's not what what it actually means right so if you are actually looking on a word for word definition of a hero it's a person who is admired for their courage outstanding achievements or noble qualities which is like everything that I've just said from all of these


about these rebels you know who fought against the bigger organisations, cause I don't think your definition is is the right definition of what you would call a hero thank you mister house I don't strike it


should we always be compassionate


alright, , I'll probably share uh being compassionate hold on ah


, nah it's alright so I will share why being no being, compassionate always is a good thing and why is a bad thing for always being compassionate like how people will step over you and


I will give some examples of uh some of the simple compassionate, uh things that we have in our day to day life lah and why we shouldn't be that compassionate


yup


compassionate okay


(ppc), alright uh thank you jayden uh, for me I what I feel about should we should we always be compassionate


my answer would be no because, if the question were to ask would we agree if uh I would have agree if the question were to ask should we be compassionate but not always


so what's my reason is uh one people tends to walk over you after if you are eventually always kind and compassionate, so for example, you can be helping someone and all or you can helping you can be very helpful be kind and


uh caring to someone and you try to help them in one way or another that you can, and more or more more or less people would often take advantage of you after awhile so uh that proves the point whereby you can't be always compassionate


uh to, certain individuals and you have to always understand uh what what is the purpose of being compassionate ya so that's my first point my second point is uh


how, what is the duration of compassionate uh how long can your compassion last for example if you saw a starving homeless guy so being compassionate and you are you just decided to buy them uh a meal


but are you going to revisit him everyday to feed him uh or are you going to uh do the same for the ten other homeless guy down the route same road so are you going to always feed them and


because you are always compassionate so that's a very uh debatable question and so my what my uh thinking is no you shouldn't always be compassionate, you should understand uh what is the uh what is compassionate about in the first place so my in my views of compassionate is actually a orientation toward suffering so is more like


uh understanding the uh opposite parties uh suffering or their situations that they're in and you show empathy of their current situation and you try to provide aid if possible


so it that itself is if possible so we should not be always compassionate about uh everything and and anything so that's my uh opposition for yup


I think I hand yup


alright uh so jayden you mentioned, that uh being compassionate is a virtue is something that uh we should it be equipped with should should have eventually you will, be uh you will be you will be more happier if you are more compassionate


which I disagree because, uh through this uh statement right you mentioned that being being uh compassionate is, out of virtue so people will tend to put up uh a facade showing that oh I'm being compassionate because I'm uh maybe I'm under this religion or what so I have to uphold my


face value uphold that I'm I truly believe in my uh beliefs showing that I'm practising being compassionate, so people are doing people are showing compassion


just because of the face value which is, not right and that's that's why we shouldn't be always compassionate just for the sake of uh because it's a virtue that's one of my point okay uh secondly


a very simple uh example we can see that is if it is something that we should always practice then why why is something very simple such as compassionate leave


why is why singapore law does not mandate compulsory make compassionate leave, cause according to ministry of manpower the company can choose not to offer compassionate leave, and you just have to take annual leave and unpaid leave for to attend the funeral so if you're always compassionate


why would ah would it be a law to not mandate this you know so that's a very uh strong example when the government is leading this, and is not is showing that they are not always compassionate about everything ya so that's my view of the ah why should we not always be compassionate


I agree to disagree also but because like not every company uh gives you compassionate leave uh for they will only give you for immediate family


so what what if you grew up with uh your god parent so but it's not something that's common and people would understand and the people would be thinking that oh because, uh this is another example so if the person is compassionate always compassionate he will give you out of uh because he's compassionate but then again you will some people will step over this uh opportunity and be uh misused all these uh advantages and gifts


that for your bosses to be uh compassionate and ya that's my one of that's my point for


uh, okay so you made a very strong point for being compassionate but uh I would like to disagree whereby if you are being compassionate you will help someone by providing them the needs and the requirements the aids all these


the person would not be able to learn and grow out of it, so eventually they'll be very dependent of your compassionate, uh it's, to them so for example you you can give a man a fish but you you do you only feed him for that day so if you are compassionate enough


you will learn that no you shouldn't you shouldn't be always be giving them a fish every every day, and you should know you should learn how to stop and say no you should learn how to fish yourself so that they should step out of it and


thus you shouldn't always give them a fish, so my, point is you can't be always compassionate about uh everything, so and people and it's not always a good thing to be always compassionate it might work in reverse and sometime uh the person that receiving all these uh benefits


will not be able to grow out of it and in the end it will become a chain like you mention so there will be uh definitely a need uh requirement for them to wait for someone to help them


should perseverance always be encouraged


okay so jayden I will said start with the, propositions uh so I will explain in simple terms why uh perseverance is very important and in achieving success and why we should always uh why should it always be encouraged lah


for and then I'll give some examples for uh, for like for friends and stuff and ,


ya then I will also leave some uh examples lah of why, persevering can be can lead to success


and thus you will be you will be encouraged lah


I I think maybe you could go about how how, uh changing your goal or what that can help if you didn't persevere like went down the wrong path lah


if lah if lah, ,


okay so uh I just I will start with should we always uh should perseverance always be encouraged and what, I think yes yes we should always be it uh yes the perseverance should be always encouraged


cause perseverance itself uh the definition is persistence in doing something despite difficulty or delay in achieving success so that definition itself, uh shows that to achieve success we have to persevere and


the first point is the everyone has their own dreams and goals that they want to achieve in life so in order to achieve them, we have to show we have to persevere, even despite the difficulty we will we might face in uh in them lah so that's my first point for yes it should be always encouraged


and, secondly there will be definitely setbacks and challenges when we uh strive to achieve our goals, and, more often than less uh people will not like


give up on their goals and dreams so and there are a lot of uh examples of people that persevered and achieve their goals eventually even despite uh numerous setbacks and challenges


so my third point is uh to persevere is not to give up despite all these obstacles and, discouragement and know we know that oh all these obstacles and discouragement is uh definitely not good and so we would not want to


promote, sorry ya , uh so thus we should always uh persevere and we should it should be always encourage also ya uh so that's my point for uh first part for


perseverance should be always encouraged lah, then I will handover to jayden


alright oh so jayden you mentioned that jack Ma didn't persevered and he changed his course of path thus


before fried chicken is most famous him himself tried to sell his chicken recipe to one thousand and nine restaurants before even finding a buyer so if he had to give up selling


there wouldn't be a KFC, for jack Ma to apply to , so that's that's one of my point and uh you mentioned that yes uh there are a lot of people that encounter failures more than people that became successful because of perseverance but which is why it should be encouraged because there is so much


people around that give up so easily because they didn't persevere down the path so you can give an example of uh setbacks that people might possibly meet thomas edison discovered like one thousand ways, he one thousand ways he could not build a light bulb before inventing the light bulb so if he were to quit on nine hundred and ninety nine we might not have a light bulb this early in the century


so that's one of the example also and uh if you want to give, there's also henry ford, henry ford was previously bankrupt bankrupted and left with penniless five times before from his failed ventures before he founded Ford Motor Company


so if you were to give up and normally people would which is it will come when you are bankrupt and you're left penniless for five times, how you going to uh move on from this it's not easy, thus we can understand that why a lot of people failed and did not are not successfully uh achieving their goals and dream because they did not persevered


so thus by uh the point from all this is, yes perseverance should always be encouraged and my last point for this is, uh something very close to us that we can probably relate closer to us that we can relate so if a friend tells you about their challenges and setbacks in their journey


what would you tell them you would definitely not tell them eh give up change your course you you will not do you will not be able to achieve your dream you cannot do this no we will definitely tell them no you should, continue don't give up maybe is uh just a uh small setback is a thing that you will recover from uh you can try it later on but uh you should always persevere and go


go for your dreams and path so yes this perseverance should always be encouraged that's my point of view


sure okay so jayden you mentioned that uh


yes persevering to towards the path that is less likely to success to to be successful in, your point of view like for example you mentioned like if cooking if you uh if a very good friend would probably suggest that no you shouldn't you should uh find something else that's pays better


but then again you mention cooking is your passion cooking is your something that you like is is a dream job is a dream thing that you want to do so, shouldn't you persevere to be happy because you'll be able to achieve


this job and your dream so you mention for the first counterpoint that you say, you shouldn't always persevere because uh you might not be happy about it but then again if is your goal is your path that you want to go that you are


that you set up for so shouldn't you be happy when you are able to achieve it other than people telling you no you shouldn't persevere, uh shouldn't go down this path shouldn't persevere throughout, so back to the point if you are want to be happy towards to reach your goal and


points in life ya I should think that perseverance should always be encouraged regardless lah


my okay uh I agree so in a way but, then again uh then then again, is is not correct to say that uh changing your dreams due to uh because it's not


high paying enough, you can take a, uh changing your job alright so uh changing by changing your job uh yes it might not necessarily means that uh it's not also your dream but then again uh we can give one uh example for


there's a famous drawing called starry night and the author I mean the author the artist, the artist of the, painting starry night uh which is vincent van gogh ya he actually only sold one painting in his life


to his best close friend but he did not that didn't stop him from continue painting eight hundred more other pieces and well being while starving and, being uh laugh uh laugh upon but which leads him to now each of these pieces those unnoticed pieces


are selling more than hundreds and millions of dollars so that that is some another point that I want to prove that, yes you might not see uh that the job that you want to go for might not be paying well now but it doesn't mean that it's not going to be you will never going to be successful I mean you can be a a small time chef in the uh small time cafe you'll be at uh having


lower salary but doesn't mean that you are comparing to a five star restaurant a chef that's drawing a larger salary so, and they are doing the same profession so they are both achieving they might be both achieving their dreams but just one with a higher paying jobs


so I believe that perseverance should always be encouraged regardless ya that's my point for the whole topic


the key criteria for good government is how well the economy is managed is this a fair assessment


uh , well well planning right okay you save that for


okay


okay,


, uh okay lah I mean I this question is not easy honestly because


uh it's actually uh A-level question, apparently, from google uh so uh I would I would uh, definitely mention that why good government is not the only factor for uh


ya , so I will list down like some other examples such as like uh transparency and, for


you make sure that uh the happiness of the people is also another thing then there's, it's it's not balanced lah for the happiness even if the ya the, even if the government is


uh ya I'm sorry even if the economy is earning uh is good it doesn't mean that the people would be happy lah I will give list some examples, of the thing so should be good lah ,


okay so uh I would disagree that uh, a good government a good government should be only assessed


purely on economy itself, so to start off we can uh one example is living condition as you mentioned uh so a living condition of the citizen is basically a good reflection of how the government is handling


how good the government is handling the uh country, so we can give us uh an example like china china has one of the well managed most well managed economies in the world, and yet the workers live in inhabitable conditions


that even human rights activists, have strongly criticised so even though china has a very strong economic ah managed economic


their workers are living in gross conditions, and, conditions that you would not want to uh live in definitely and, uh and it shows very it shows how well the government is actually treating the people


so by negleging uh neglecting the living conditions of the, workers it so what if the economy is doing well it does not uh reflect well on the how well the government runs the country so ah my second point is uh for as mentioned by you


uh you talk about corruption, so why would there be corruption so corruption take place yes maybe the economy is uh managed well, because, the government is pocketing their money


in the end, so but then uh what the citizen wants is more transparency and, accountability for everything in the company ah in the sorry in the country so uh we can take our neighbouring country uh for example due to their government pocketing their hard earned money of its people for its own gains


uh people are not happy and thus you mentioned that if people are not happy then people will complain so, that does not also reflect uh well on the government, so thus I'll believe that uh is not the only


uh economy is not the only fair uh key criteria for assessing whether the government is good or not yup so I hand to jayden


alright uh thank you jayden so you mentioned that , economy is, so that you mentioned uh okay you mentioned that the people will only complain if the uh if the economy is poor which


I disagree, because uh, economy is one things but we won't, we know more about uh for everyone that's being uh that's in the workforce in a you will understand that uh having a good work life balance is also very important and


yes it can reflect that uh the economy is very doing well but then again the people might be working their ass off and not having uh any time for their family and such and the things that the government only


uh cares is about the growth of the economy and how well it is managed but what about the healthcare, what about uh the family of uh of the the family of the workers


so if, uh this sorry if all these key points the other key points that such as health care are uh neglected, it does not help in any way to build up the economy


so you can have uh a strong economy but people are not living to their uh maximum life uh expectancy and, not living a healthier lifestyle because due to over-working and


just because of uh growing the economy and that's that's my, point for why economy should not only be the key criteria for uh that shows how well the government is


then my second point would be, uh sorry ah standby, okay right my second point would be uh yes you mentioned GDP I I can agree yes GDP uh shows how well the country is doing how well the government is managing the economy but then again


uh we what about we can talk about uh the, accumulating negligible foreign debts, so your your country might be doing well now but what are the things that behind that is behind the country's economy


it can be because due to the loan that uh the country is getting from uh all around the world to from your friends at uh neighbouring countries, it only shows how well the current economy is, but we are forgoing the fact that we're sacrificing the future wealth and all and the future welfare so it only shows how well the government is managing a country the current in the current state


but it does not show in the long run that the is actually a good choice and uh, good a strategy move to do so to be in debt as such so it might be having a good GDP for uh this year or next year but what can we say ten years down the road


so my uh that's my another point for showing that, uh a good oh how well the, economic is managed is uh shows the how well the government is, yup


okay so we so you mentioned that uh economy up is everything and it it plays a very a strong part in even in healthcare as such which uh I don't totally disagree but then again it's not the only point that uh


is, that must be considered because economy prosperity, uh on grounds of what, so it can be you are neglecting the environment you can be building up with your cities skyscrapers everything but your environment is going on a downfall


so having a good, is a strong economy a strong uh city uh strong base skyscrapers all this it doesn't shows, how well the government is managed uh how how well the government is managing the environment


so we we are going to, neglect uh environment uh we're also going to uh neglect that what you mention accountability yes


people will be but these are all people might misuse this but these are all in the respect of the rules and on the the laws that determine, ah what is what and what is shown to the public and it will reflect how well the government trust the citizen to be able to let them know and see how well


the government it uh how well the government is managing the economy how well uh the government is prepared for their health care and, in time of crisis ah so it


should we always be compassionate


so lawrence, I'm going to say three points, so first point very simple I would say uh is help to uh being compassionate you will be happier, okay second point, uh studies show that uh being compassionate is better than spending money then I will elaborate a bit more on the spending money et cetera et cetera


and then the third point I will say it make us more attractive because after all happier you know you'll be more confident than you'd be more attractive then I will state the benefit of attractive or whatsoever lah so I drag okay so I can talk a lot so basically on your side


I feel that this topic right is that is, opposite here it should be you being compassionate okay but never mind it's interesting


!wah! okay, okay so uh after this then we will defend each other, points lah so we'll fight, okay, okay then let me add more points lah, so in case we run out of topic ah I would say have plan B lah hor so dring bring bring a little bit more insight


so, health benefits, okay I'm going to talk about health benefit of this, so uh (mmhmm), so being compassionate help you with err, uh being healthy also


so emotional emotional intelligence, nah there's no right or wrong lah but, okay I I think we are about good now lah


let me know when you are ready


okay okay so , should we always be compassionate I believe ah, my point is yes we should always be compassionate why, why is it so is that because uh, first of all, when we are compassionate we will tend to help others so by helping others we are actually uh being more happy


so according to studies uh is actually uh, more is happier to help others than spending money so many of us know that uh while spending money you actually enjoying yourself but study actually show that by helping others you are actually more happy than


you know spending money first of all of course you save up your money, second of all you'll become happier so why not be compassionate and I believe so is because there's so many uh people out there being uh compassionate they're being volunteers helping others and


all those are are actually facts that, they are actually more happier than the normal kind of people that are less compassionate lah oh second point is that , it actually makes us more attractive to others so why this point is that


very simple being compassionate is actually like a virtue, so people will tend to say !wah! you are doing this uh uh uh uh volunteering helping the elderlies and all all those all these are good points so all these good points actually add values to your to your life to character so (ugh) in fact in jobs you can even write in your resume all these


that uh you are volunteering you are being very compassionate you are a compassionate human being (ugh), that is also one thing that makes you attractive so everything is linked to uh being happier lah because (ugh) if you are more attractive will be tend to be (ugh) happier because you you get you know uh likes people people tend to like you more and and after all that links to


being to my last point that uh it will makes you healthier, so, it actually lowers your uh inflammation in your body and also it lowers the stress level by being compassionate because everything's linked but being compassionate you'll be happier and then when you are happier you become healthier and everything else is you know interconnected


so you asked me if, you want to be compassionate or you want to be a less healthy human being I would say I want to be compassionate lah hor because once after all compassionate I'm attractive to others and then, it actually helps my body


why not alright so these are are my three points of being compassionate so I hope it helps so I'll pass the , uh, mic over to lawrence for the opposition, alright lawrence please


okay so, okay thank you lawrence for your sharing uh I understand where you're coming from okay always is a strong word lah because if you are always on something then , I understand where you're coming from but because compassionate to me is like a virtue


is something in you lah so it will always be compassionate lah you cannot be selective because to me if you are being selective for compassionate, then you are not really compassionate you are actually uh I would say fake lah it will be more fake than uh than than compassionate lah because ultimately being compassionate is everything one so uh let's say like your story was uh helping the the homeless lah alright


so of course uh, you help them means uh, okay you help them uh means, I would say uh you help them, once doesn't mean that you have always to you don't have to always help them to be always compassionate you can help them once and then the other time you don't have to buy them things you can just you know uh help them in other things maybe uh you know improve their quality


of life you know talk to them or or or you know uh bring them around you don't have to buy the the the the the food again you can just you know talk to them that is also being compassionate and , if you are not always compassionate then I would say you are basically selective and then means that


only that things that will benefit you, uh then you will be compassionate about then that that is not being compassionate and all that is like (ugh) uh you you do it because of uh profit you do it because of uh things that are are better to you so for instance ah I seen a lot of uh people are


you know uh nicer to you know uh older people maybe because they want their inheritance or or uh they they're taking their money in some sort of way so that is also one thing that a lot of people, misunderstood that compassionate and the


uh benefits that the older uh, generation that can give you so a lot of people are doing that also so of course uh your point is that, should you always be I'll say that you should always be


but uh you must do it out of genuine uh you must be genuine about it lah, oh so, okay so I'll I'm, and most importantly my point is that, by being always compassionate you can improve their quality of life and also your quality of life


so I would say it's a win win situation over here so there's no point not to be always compassionate, okay so I pass the mic over to lawrence


okay so ah I jump straight into you know uh help you uh, analyse your point so you were saying that uh because uh, even the law even the government, uh, is not compassionate regarding uh the compassionate leave and all these thing they are uh


they are even uh okay not to give you but, to be honest , we are living you know for so long in singapore, which company does not give you compassionate leave


no right is hard you see this basically (mmhmm)


I understand that you mentioned that uh, compassionate leave uh it's only for immediate family why is that so is that , I believe that uh, this is to prevent people from misusing the system because like a lot of us we are very kind very nice but there's others that are you know more tricky so maybe they will said that oh is their you know relative or is a long far relative that passed away to cheat on this compassionate leave but to be honest if you are the manager itself


if you knew that this person is you know very closely related to this auntie and this auntie were to pass away I believe you will fight for him for compassionate leave, and you, like I always say that uh compassionate uh being compassionate is a virtue is not a must is is is you can choose one lah so if let's say I want to be compassionate I will be compassionate myself I don't have to follow the law I don't have to follow the government or I don't have to follow company policy so


if I'm the manager if I see my my my my colleague or my my guys that are you know suffering from certain kind of uh, illness or or or losing a loved one I will grant them compassionate leave doesn't mean that it's always passing


doesn't always means that the person uh have to pass away maybe if the person is sick or maybe really that the situation over , uh the situation for her is not good I'll definitely do some uh uh give her some compassionate leave also because


by helping them you are actually uh you know uh making their quality of life better and then after they are better they will start to help others also and and this will be a chain effect so, ultimately maybe one day this will happen to you and someone else will also do the same to you so uh I believe in good karma


(uh huh) and uh, yup anything to counter for that


okay so your points is uh clear uh you state that you must not always, always you don't have to always feed the person you don't have like to always do this but to me I I believe time give them giving them time is also compassionate lah so you don't have to do always do the same thing but uh you do what helped them the best alright uh I end this thank you so much


should perseverance always be encouraged


I just want to say ah my topic are always more difficult okay why you always standing on the good point but never mind perseverance uh


, okay okay okay, persevere


I wills you know state some success of other people that did not persevere, and become successful uh okay okay perseverance perseverance


state that as well, , you know I did a quick Google search everything is about perseverance uh okay


okay lah actually I'm ready lah let's go let's go, I'm good


okay so, oh okay so uh is a very good point that uh, to state that uh perseverance should always be encouraged you state that uh there's a lot of role model there's a lot of people are being successful from not giving up and you even state uh very good terms of perseverance stating that is you you are persistent in doing the things uh your goals and et cetera but


my point's, should you always, always is a strong word so , okay so, you telling me that uh being perseverance will bring you success so if I persevere on and I will be successful this a lot this is a lot of misconception over here and thus bring a lot of


people into, misery why because today, if I were to tell a fish to climb a tree, and you know keep expecting the fish to climb a tree and then I asked the fish to be perseverance you have to persevere you have to do things you have to climb the tree you have to climb the tree but


ultimately, the fish will never be able to climb the tree better than a monkey so, sometimes it's good to just give up and then uh you move to things that you are better at, right so so I bring the example from jack Ma you you think that jack Ma is very you know you he perseverance he he persevere on he he become a very successful person yes he did but did he always persevere no he didn't because


he actually interview KFC for around you know, I think ten times twenty times for KFC manager but KFC manager actually reject him but if he were to persevere on maybe he is the one that serve you you know fried chicken so he didn't persevere on he change he went to you know doing some uh


uh online uh E-shipping thing and then now we have Alibaba so if he persevere on in on KFC maybe we don't have Alibaba we have ali chicken or something okay so, and you brought uh a lot of role model in the industry that persevere on but actually there's more failure


more failure out there that you know isn't showcased, there's more failure for you to know and you know because the of up I mean the other the high net worth but only one per cent in the whole world so there's ninety nine percent might might be failure are still persevering


so your role model point I feel that is not strong because, there's a lot of failure still persevering on maybe they have yet to uh be successful or maybe they will never be successful, okay so my second point will be uh


okay if perseverance you know it will change you it'll make you very unhappy so why persevere, because ultimately we only have one life you just want to be happy you just want to be healthy if the the the things that are causing you pain the things are causing you being unhappy


give it up no point, once that thing you know start you know, when things start hurting you just give up you don't have so much time you don't have so much life to actually care about it because ultimately I believe in being happy for what you are doing so if that thing don't you know


don't don't you don't like it then forget about it just quit even though that thing maybe giving you more maybe you should persevere to become uh something more but if the thing is not, making you happy then you can just forget about it lah so you don't always have to be persevere


you don't always have to persevere and you shouldn't be perseverance always, alright I pass the point to lawrence


thank you lawrence for for for sharing your point so your point mainly uh mainly uh consists of successful people uh you know not giving up and uh you okay that's your first point second point is that uh, bring closer to us that your friend you know telling you about ghosts and then you do you


uh tell them you should continue or you always tell them you what uh you you should persevere you should change your goals and et cetera okay so my first counterpoint is that , like I mentioned before I still stand on my point that there may be a lot of successful people but I have seen more unsuccessful people than successful people that persevere so a lot of people that you know


okay successful people are always like that they will you know they will tell you that they are very you know very very bad situation they're in a very bad situation and then they manage up all these you know all these to me are in fact bullshit because


you once you are successful you whatever you say is correct, is it's like a law so, to to me you, those people that state that is usually to uh to encourage people because, you wouldn't go around telling them eh because I am successful because I'm lucky or I'm coming from a rich family


and you don't have ah you probably won't be able be to be to be like me know people go around you know giving interviews or or or or like that what so they would probably tell them oh I'm actually worse than you but right now I'm I become like this because I, persevere on et cetera et cetera all these to me are media's because they they just want to change your mind that's the only right we right thing or political correct things to say


and, thus this also change the mindset of a lot of people and thus they are still suffering, so and also back to your point of uh is it your friend to tell you that they are chasing this goal and all this is in fact the


usually will tell it people will tell you that eh uh my friends all support me but my parents actually didn't didn't support me my parents said that eh you should do something was because , it's the closest person to you that will tell you the worst thing they will tell you the the the things that are hardest to say because if you would to ask me eh I ask you lawrence do I continued pursuit my goal


or I I really love doing I really love cooking or whatsoever do should I pursued my goal but you will probably tell me ya go ahead because that's the easiest way to to say what the easiest thing to say but in fact if I am your close friend or if I'm really really really really caring for you I would say eh maybe you should consider


you know getting a job that pay you more or all all these are coming from your parents from your loved ones lah so those things are, you know tougher to say, probably uh uh, uh true more they are they'll be more true lah okay so I'll be open debate now


so because ultimately more people will tend to go for the more uh say uh uh high paying job because of a brighter future so, people will actually tend to eh should I stay in the in this industry should I uh uh should I leave this industry to to pursuit my uh to to go for a cooking class most people will say okay you should leave your current job and then chase your dream


right, right so I I believe you misunderstood my point because I I did a bad a bad example lah because, uh more more people are actually having this normal job and then they don't have the dream uh, right so


they will tend to ask eh should I change my dream so you definitely should change your dream you should you shouldn't persevere on on your your current job you should just change and then change to change your dream lah to actually ultimately make you feel happier, so that's uh


thank you


changing your job changing your job


thank you you stop at twenty second so uh okay uh, I just want add on one last point lah hor so for vincent van gogh he got rich after his death, and he wasn't happy when it with his life, okay so


shouldn't persevere alright thank you


the key criterion, for good government is how well the economy is managed, is this a fair assessment


so I am the proposition, right, okay so definitely when talking about money ah (hmm) this is my forte so uh I'll say yes so I definitely uh


okay so why government you know when the economy is managed well everybody's rich everybody's happy you know uh, ya ya the planning planning, I'll say that is is happy, happy everybody is happy when they're rich when they have purchasing power they can buy whatever things they want they can travel everybody's happy means that the government is actually doing a good job


in managing the jobs and the pay and the regulations and people would you know other people would come and invest in the country


more investment more opportunity, you know people are you can live their life, et cetera et cetera okay so okay, ya, your your point your your, counterpoint ah is is also easy to counter this lah you you can state that


you know money is one thing you can be happy and you know the quality of life et ceteras what's else to talk about


definitely is not the only factor


okay we are ready, okay so , uh, the key criterion for good government, is how well the economy is managed is this a fair assessment so uh I think it's actually a fair assessment because first of all in current state of life uh in in in this stage of uh society we always will relate things to


uh money, we always relate things to uh, cash and uh, equity so, if the country is uh rich people will tend to be more we uh did people will tend that uh to believe that the country is doing well so


for example singapore, although a lot of the citizen are complaining you know, uh we are not doing well uh we are not happy but, does that mean that


we don't have a good government actually we do have a good government because, if the economy is managed well people are all rich people are you know, financially uh stable, we actually


already, you know surpassed a lot of other countries so the the issue people complain people are unhappy about is that because they have not seen the outside world they don't know how bad the other situation uh is about


therefore they uh complain so uh in fact, if the you know the the country economy is managed well other country people will tend to invest in the country first of all and there will be more jobs more opportunity you know the the people will get


to have, better jobs better pay ultimately will lead to uh uh healthier and happier country and, ultimately know, the only issue here is that if the country is rich everybody will be happy, alright so


there's nothing much to talk about, maybe you can bring in like the quality of life whatsoever but ultimately you ultimately the key criterion is, to be rich the country must be economically uh uh uh very well in order to be


uh under a good government so, bring our you know neighbour countries some we have some corruption some bribery and people tend to say that oh once the economy's bad there might be some bribery and the the government is bad there'll be a bad government and then the next election the person is gone then in jail so


uh, I feel that once the economy is managed well, even if there's bribery even if there's you know some sort of under table things we can't cannot say anything because the economy is very well already maybe that's how the way things are done alright so I pass it to lawrence


thank you for your point so uh uh I re-summarise your points that uh you mean you you you you say that uh, our neighbouring country, uh you know, actually you are staying on my point because you said that they are pocketing their money and they they are uh complaining because of the transparency but today if I were to say that


why, will they complain is because the first of all the economy is not doing well, so when there's only when the economy is not doing well then they will complain but if today the economy is doing perfectly well everything is good everything everybody purchasing power is okay the GDP of the company that the the country is good


I will say that they won't there won't be any complain nah in fact everything will be throw under the blanket so, there is complaint only because the economy is not doing well thus the citizen complain thus these state that that is not a good government


so of course, we don't talk about government nah but we talk about even your parents maybe you know your parents are, if they are financially sane or they're financially well, and, you wouldn't care much but it's only when they are poor then you will ask this ask that eh why are you not doing this why are you not doing that why are you not being a good parents


uh then of course that and of course uh, we for example, from now our current state of singapore uh, is that we are very you know economy uh well we are we are very uh financially uh well in the country


and when, you know a disaster strike when there's a pandemic like COVID uh we are actually giving a lot of uh, uh, all these help from the government so uh these actually make, the, uh the citizen


uh happy and ultimately when we are receiving money from the government we will tend to say that oh they are a good government in fact they are because , we are getting things from them, and if the economy is not doing well they're already they're paying back to us means that you know for the past past uh uh past uh for from the past the country has been you know uh managed very well in their economy uh side lah so I feel that ultimately


for this to actually works is that the economy must be managed perfectly by the government in order to be a good government, alright so I'll pass it you lawrence


so your point is that uh, uh of course, you bring in uh, negligible foreign, debt, so uh all this happened when the economy is not managed well therefore you have debts and all this


thus you are sacrificing your future uh, uh future welfare of the country why all this happened is because of the economy is not managed well so if the economy is managed well a lot of things wouldn't happen, so we we talk about welfare I mean you talk about of course welfare you talk about healthcare weakened et cetera but if the economy's managed well all this wouldn't happen would we wouldn't have increased healthcare costs


and of course the government subsidise will come in because if the economy is managed well everything you know government have money they will subsidise everybody will enjoy you know the the the citizenship rates and all these no complaint because ultimately, the government will want the citizen to to be able to afford uh uh uh everything


afford the basic necessities such as healthcare so if the healthcare is of course healthcare important thing but if the economy is not managed well and then this will be you know the main problem you know healthcare things will not will everybody we have to pay more et cetera


unless if the economy is not managed well if the economy is managed well there's no reason why the government shouldn't you know subsidise to actually uh allow the the the, the citizenship uh the citizens to actually uh afford their healthcare so


we talk about transparency so transparency is is good however uh, of course, that's one criteria for the for a good government but if there's too much transparency in the government sector, then there will be leakage of trade firms and there will be leakage of secrets and then thus a lot of people will tend to misuse and uh misuse this system and then uh


it will bring down the economy once economy is down you know things everything that you mentioned before will will start to come in so ultimately we still talk about money lah in in in this world uh stage and in this society we all talk about economy and money so if there's no money no talk


is like that, so even if in the government sector in in in the in the in the worldwide sector you will have no money you you you no talk


debate topic one to what extent can education improve the lives of people


okay so the debate is about to what extent can education improve the lives of people so for me I think that I believe that it uh can, improve the life of people to a large extent so if I may just begin with a statistic so a recent study by UNESCO showed that the poverty rate worldwide could decrease by half if all adults complete their secondary education


so this shows that uh education is a major tool to reducing poverty which can serve uh very can have a very big impact on improving the lives of people so like even even if we take a look at singapore there's a, there's a rule by the government that singaporeans have to complete their primary education and so this goes to show how big of an impact education can play improving lives of


people in terms of when for example you have education right, uh it open doors to lots of opportunities so for example uh you can definitely get more jobs and in turn be when you get more jobs especially high paying jobs through education, this will help to like it will have a domino effect on economy and through economy it can impact other people's life so for example if you are more well educated you know you have a higher paying job and then you can contribute back to the economy to like a rippling effect so when you go out and buy for example hawker's foods and all


you are contributing to their livelihood and this helps to improve not only your life life but also other people's lives, so if we also look at other factors, err education can help improve other areas of people's lives for example their health when people are better educated they can realise early signs of diseases so for example that's why whenever we go to a cinemas we always see them trying to educate us on for example diagnosing diabetes early on because err


and when I talk about this education I'm not referring to just school, but in terms of also educating the public so when you're able to better recognise like southern symptoms earlier on you can save a lot of lives so another study by UNESCO as showed that two point one million children under the age of five was saved between nineteen ninety to two thousand and nine because of the improvement in girl's education so


these are two very big, areas that have been impacted by education which has in turn improve the lives of people so uh to summarise education and health, and uh if we also look at other areas err, education can improve


a person holistically so for example when you go to school uh you learn many different kinds of module so this will help to freshen your brain keep your brain stimulated and this will, has medical effects on your life so for example when you keep your brain stimulated err


you have a lesser chance of getting dementia or alzheimer's so there and thereby improving your life so you know when you're healthy you are able to do things that you enjoy, spend time with your loved ones and all and then err another point if I may add is that, education when you are in a school you are surrounded by people your age or older or younger even and having this ability to mix around with people and as humans as you know we are like emotional creatures


this like forming relationships with other people through school err can help to form deep bonds in your life and it will help improve your life and other people's lives as well, and then also, not just a friendly connections in school for example if you are in business school you can make connections with people who perhaps next time will be big like entrepreneurs and stuff so making these connections can in turn improve your life in the future for example you can make use of these connections


in the future like capitalising on these opportunities so in that aspect it also helps improves the lives of people and I think education also again teaches people how to develop host holistically for example there are a lot of soft skills that you can learn in school like for example communication


or people, just people skills like learning how to manage teams and all and then through all these skills you really get to develop the basically they are life skills that you can develop and, you can't really replicate these kind of lessons in other type of places like if you go to work sure yes you can


uh develop these lessons through experiences however school provides you that uh kind of like a safety net because everyone else is explore in the same time as you so in turn all these factors that I brought up health err jobs, in terms of relationships and developing soft skills I do believe that education can improve the lives of people


thank you


okay thank you so I think err like you yourself acknowledge that education to a certain extent, does help to improve the lives but I think your point is that, higher education is not necessary err which I think is okay like for some people they don't wanna pursue tertiary education that's fine but then to counter your point so your first one you brought out was that people might get into debts because of going into school uh yeah I agree that


people who are not financially stable because of like life circumstances do have a harder time getting education, and that can put them into a cycle of having to repay debt when they are older but I do believe that through, acquiring that debt they were able to get into a position into school and this has helped their lives to improve so for example even though maybe they are setback ten thousand dollars


the knowledge that they get in school can really help them in the future so you know versus if they didn't go and pursue their studies they wouldn't be able to get the same job that they do now because of the education and through this job they are definitely getting paid a lot more than well not a lot more but they getting paid more


than someone who might not have gotten the same degree so, in terms of their lives not being improved because of debt I don't really agree that for that reason and then for your second point about how the school system now is has a lot of competition I think humans in general are just very competitive if weren't uh


we would all just be on the same level and I don't think chasing grades is necessarily bad I think you, when you when you chase grades it shows that you care and that you are actually putting effort in your, studies and so this is not necessarily detrimental to the lives of people it's just we are just humans who uh seek rewards and then grades are sometimes like a benchmark to measure like how well you are doing so in that sense err I also don't agree that it


does not improve the lives of people and err your third point was, about err how normal how people can still, improve their lives without education but I don't really understand that so can you elaborate more


(mmhmm)


okay so I think err when you bring up skills future and all that can still be considered education though like education doesn't always necessarily, refer to for example university it just means and improving your knowledge on things so


would you say now that err education improves the lives of people to a large extent, or still do you believe that it only improves to a certain extent, okay yeah so (hmm)


so like you brought up the example of your friend co err like dropping out of education and then his life, kind of uh like his life quality kind of going down from there so, so for the most part you do agree that it does to a large extent help improve the lives of people


okay err, well then do you have any other examples of how it does not improve the lives of people, (mmhmm) err


err what education is this that people, are learning about, like you know anti anti what anti vaccines you said


okay but I think the thing is that uh out of like this example that you have brought up about how people , like some people are trained to think that taking vaccines are not good there's also a larger proportion of the public who do believe that vaccines are good so


err I think take an example of a few people who, don't uphold like the I don't know like, the so called correct believes err might not be a very good example to show how it doesn't improve the lives of people, (mmhmm)


okay thank you err let me just like address a few your point so firstly, err most recently you're brought up examples about how some people some people are successful without education so you brought up steve jobs or maybe even I can give you more examples like bill gates or even mark zuckerberg but these are like the exception of the whole public like I will I have like some statistic I believe that


sixty six percent of uh people that hold bachelor degrees are more likely no their sixty six sixty six percent more likely to get jobs than regular high school graduates so even though you bring up these few examples of some people who succeed without err


like without getting their university degree you you're not looking at maybe like ninety percent of the population who, hold jobs because of their degrees so , the ones that you see on media are usually just the, the few stars that you see but people don't talk about the one to actually do have degrees and if you just look at like if you scroll through linkedin you can see almost a lot of jobs are require you to get degrees to even qualify for an interview to get shortlisted by the HRs and all


and then err you also brought up about how students might be suicidal because of grades and I do agree and I empathise with them err if their parents are putting pressure on them to succeed in school I think it's a very bad parenting style, uh but


err I think this has more to do with parenting structure than it is to to be school so, let me think like schools, there are these measures in place so for example if you are a high performing student right you cannot expect people to lower down the standards


so that you won't be emotionally err affected but I understand that it's, very very pressurising to constantly have to get good grades and, err it said that people have to feel like they are not worth it because of studies lah because understand that studies is not everything but err


educational systems do have these in place because you do have to reward the top performers and then we can see that not just in educational systems but all around at work you get performance bonus bonuses if you perform well err this is something you can't run away from no matter where you are in the world and I think that the great thing about education is that err it


it teaches you how to deal with these kind of things before you step up the working world so for example like internships you get to learn how to you get real exposure into the world and then, that's exactly the same as education like they prepared you before you go out in the world and probably the realities there are much harsher so that's what I believed that education can really improve the lives of people and I feel like the few setbacks or cons that has may not err does not


err affect the significance of education yup, thank you


yup so I think err to conclude err we do agree that education can improve the lives of people uh, maybe we differ in views of two extent but we know that it does improve the lives of people buy it also has it's consequences thank you


okay so I do believe that education is still necessary for success even though in this world uh where we see like the top entrepreneurs like for example mark zuckerberg or bill gates had uh having dropped out of


college or university I still believe that for the vast majority of the public, err having education, will help you to have a level playing field with others in order to achieve success I don't think that it will bring you success I think that it puts you on the same field as everyone else and then your actions from then on


determine your success and these actions I believe you can develop when you get an education so for example in school I believe that when you learn modules, or when you interact with your teammates you learn a lot of valuable soft skills that you can't really learn anywhere else so for example you learn how to present in front of people you learn how to manage diverse group of err teammates you learn discipline you learn hard work


you learn how to connect with people uh you also have very valuable opportunities to, uh network around so for example in schools you have job fairs uh they have industry collaborations with big brands, do these activities that are made possible through school which doesn't require you to go out and make a special effort


it it provides you with a lot of opportunities that you can use in order to achieve success, and the also uh if you look at certain statistics like for example the US labour department they released a study showing that even if jobs do not require degrees ninety one percent of jobs still go to those who have one showing the importance of education in


you know getting jobs which sometimes people define a success , high paying jobs that is or whatever paying jobs as long as it in their definition brings them success so that's why I believe that education is still necessary in order to further uh in order to achieve success further down the road


okay so to your most recent point first about how connections are better than a piece of paper which is your degree that you gradually with I agree and that's why I think that school is important because uh like I mentioned just now it provides you avenues


to connect so for example in schools you have job fairs you have talks you have internships and a lot of these are compulsory something you don't have to make a special effort for so through these programs you can really go out and network and, so you know if you are someone without education so you are just venturing on your own you have to make that special effort to go and see what events that are out there


go for interviews uh message people for like coffee chats and they might not even reply but with education these schools have established a collaboration with all these industry famous people or brands and, you will have


a better chance of interacting with them generally than someone who ventures out there and finds opportunities on their own, err second point about your sister I think it's great that she managed to uh is doing well even with a NITEC degree I think that's that requires a lot of hard work and I admire that however again like you mention err it is uh a a minority so


we cannot dismiss the fact that education is not necessary for success because of like maybe what ten people out of a hundred who do succeed without a degree uh so let's just bring up like the whole government sector for example I they do, value for example a local university degree more than a private


generally your pay will be lower if you come from a private university like I know that, it doesn't mean that if you are from a private university you're any less intelligent I think you can be just as intelligent part that's just how the system works and it's not like the system is going to change anytime soon because it's been here for hundreds hundreds of years so


that's why I believe education and the quality of education is also necessary for success and then to your very first point about how success looks differently for people I agree sometimes it can be, having a family sometimes it can be about having lots of money travelling uh


but I feel like for a lot of these definitions of success even though it looks different right the fundamental like if you go to the root of the success you need money and sometimes err, most at the time education can help you to get more money versus no education so for example if you are saying that a family


is what you consider success yeah agree like the bonds you develop your family err can be your definition of success however to even raise a family especially in singapore is going to be very costly, for you to have that baseline of money in order to


provide your family with err necessities not dimension like luxuries like travelling I think, will require money and uh for the, for a big population of singapore or the world education will help you to get there


because it provides you a better jobs and all when you go and get educated yeah


oh okay so err you brought up the, about being educated uh sorry you brought up education and how it doesn't always have to be formal education and I do agree err sometimes you can like go on a platforms like coursera or like skillsfuture and can still get educated even without being park


being part of an educational institution err yeah and that's a point I do agree with but I still would consider that, to the debate about topic an education because you are getting educated but then you also brought up a very good point and problem about how you know if you go and learn these sort of things especially if they don't give you like certificates how do you prove it to your interviewer interviewees


err interview us and I think that's also a problem and that's why err sometimes going to institutions that ya at the the end of the day it is a paper it is a certificate but, , it that there's that tangible proof that you actually went somewhere you know if you google online how to learn certain things ya sure you'll be empowered with the knowledge


maybe you will even be better than like university students but there's no formal proof that you know how to do things and if you are applying for jobs interviewer look for this type of things that's why resumes are important that's why like your linkedin is important because you have like social, proof or prove that you actually did thing so


I agree that yeah you can get like not formal education and still be empowered with this knowledge but, you don't have the you, you might be at a disadvantage because you don't have, things to show unless you have like a really great portfolio and stuff


but I don't think that's the case most of the time unfortunately so, basic in what sense primary


okay err you uh just now you said there err education is not necessary but you said basic education is but then my question is when you go to like primary schools err since


that's like the compulsory thing by the government how much can you really learn like honestly I don't remember learning much from primary school like okay sure I did learn like life skills and all these but, to really be successful what would I have learned from primary school like, math, english and all these that will help me to succeed in the future


if you say that that's, necessary for success but but, other education is not, (mmhmm)


then the issue is I think that like in primary school you don't really get enough exposure of this so you said like communication skills, err I think for a lot of primary school students, you don't really like you like a lot of primary schools don't require to have like projects and all versus maybe like ITE or poly or university like projects are in every single module you know primary school they just expect you to study like


off a book and I don't think that already requires very much communication skills or gives you opportunity to build a lot of soft skills so, I don't think that err, just basic education can really help you later on in life


honestly


okay, yeah I agree with that so I think err to conclude we both agree that some form of education is necessary for success because of the different, uh opportunities it err it gives you to develop soft and hard skills uh to what extent we might disagree but


I think at the end of the day the baseline is that you know education in especially in today's world is still necessary no matter how many examples you can bring up or lift like a exceptional field that managed to succeed without, right


ya


okay so the question is this uh sorry the debate is the solution to the problem of crime, is education and because, this topic doesn't really define what education is I'm going to speak about education in, two in like two factors so firstly I will talk about education in terms of like schooling and then second I will talk about education as in like educating people about crime so firstly about err the education of


the school one I think that, yes uh the solution to the problem of crime is very largely affected by education so, uh a study a recent study showed there are three and four year old children enrolled in an education system for fifteen years


versus , three to four year old children who didn't participate in any sort of educational program were seventy percent more likely to get arrested for the for crimes by the time they are eighteen years old so this study and many other studies show that uh education


in terms of going to school err will can help to reduce crime and I believe this is so because if, if you look at the root of crime sometimes err it can be, a lot of the times actually because of poverty err you know it's unfortunate that they are in that position


err and then they have to steal to make ends meet however through education I believe that, I mean it's, education undoubtedly undoubtedly err opens doors to opportunities such as high paying jobs and all so through


going through a formal education I believe that , kids or whoever can, help to break out of the poverty cycle yes it's definitely hard and err a lot of the time maybe it doesn't happen and they do get stuck in this poverty cycle but I but I but I but I believe the theory of going


through education can help to reduce poverty err because uh you know not only does it open jobs eh sorry not only does it open doors to jobs and opportunities, uh in school you can also learn about, you know sometimes they have compulsory modules that teacher by ethics and all and err you know it's not like these people who


uh participate in crimes are bad people anything so I I believe that educating them the difference between right and wrong err can help to reduce crimes later on when they grow up, uh if we look at other studies it also shows that uh the more like the increase


in the age of leaving school meaning that you are in school for longer uh the less chances of getting arrested you'll be like as in the the the lesser, the arrest rate for crimes err especially drug crimes so uh that, that's one reason why so I mean so those are the reasons why I believe the education in the form of formal schools


uh is the solution to the problem of crime and on my second point about educating the public is also very similar when you teach people the difference between right and wrong window is not always black and white right , you are like bringing awareness so for example like when you go to cinemas right you watch these err prevention ads on how to early diagnose your diabetes and


this does increase the rate of people going to hospitals to get checked for diabetes and then through getting checked earlier you can prevent your diabetes from, you know further further surging so I believe that thorough educating the public or schools or people about crime it will help


to reduced err, crime, basically ya that's my point thank you


okay you said education doesn't really reduce crimes but like, it does but I get your point on the fact that even highly educated people can commit crimes that's why we see like those you know investment bankers sometimes they , they trade on like insider information so no I'm not saying that because you're highly educated you will not commit crimes uh people commit crimes of like all racers gender age like everything like anybody as long as you have the intentions to so I'm not saying that uh education will


prevent crimes I'm just saying when you are better educated err not just through a school but also better educated about crime itself you are less likely to commit crimes err in the future or in the now so yeah


okay so I think , also like since we both, agree that you know you can commit crimes regardless of your education level and or maybe we can talk about, you know if it's not education what other what is it called like what other prevention measures there are


to avoid crime and so, all this, in singapore there's the death sentence right for uh you know like what is it called trafficking drugs and then we can see that because of laws like these , the crime rates are relatively low like sure there are still people who