whenever they even uh whenever they access to internet they are able to find all the information they need it actually helps them to open their mind, and widen and also help them to increase their knowledge even faster out of the school


this is something that we have to look into it okay for for my personal experience I do encounter a few things is that, there are some there are many things that I don't even know but, but I can actually simply ask my uh asked my he can give me the answer just we a finger search from the google so


don't you think that this uh technology really increase our lifestyle to have more uh knowledge and also to have more, common uh topic


if you want to talk about useful let's talk about medical how does technology help in medical to improve humans, uh quality I'm sure with the technology help the medical uh equipment uh technology have been


advance and taking to next level of uh of of the, to to the next level it is because of the technology helps, the medical teams have better skill better knowledge and also with a better tools to solve


the patient's uh problem and it also helps the patient to relief uh suffering time even uh even shorter right


okay you are right with humans do need depends on medical to to for uh to to for uh, for their life okay but what I'm trying to hit say here is


medical with technology's help it actually helps people who are in serious ill to help to relief better to have a better treatment, don't you think that this is what technology brings to our life


with the technology it also helps in the, digital uh learning as what I see from now because, especially in this uh COVID uh COVID period of time there are many there are many uh


school have to close down and it doesn't mean that the students have to stop learning through a technology's help school actually, depends on technology to bring the E-learning to every one of the children or students


to continue to learn to become a better better uh person, and it don't need to stop while outside world is uh fighting the war fighting the world right


okay it is, I'm sure technology help a lot to increase human life, but when when you talk about the hacker this is all about humans being, okay this is all about humans being whether a person they are using the


right tools right information to do the right thing this it's all up to the character okay but, with the technology it actually helps us to provide more information to


to let everyone of uh to let everyone of us have a better chance to learn and explore more to the outside world but, you have to remember back that it depends on individual how they want to use


that information and technology to grow with their life, so what do you think about this


okay, parents working in uh parents working from home is also the uh with the help of help of technology okay and many people many people, have neglected these thing is that while working from home they actually have more time with their children to uh to bake more cake


to have these quality time okay when we talk about quality time do you think the quality time is twenty four seven with the kids or family members or, the quality time where they spend it really quality to do something both parties they love


in it, do you get what I trying to say so, so without a technology health don't you thinks that parents don't even have a chance


to have a quality time with their family


to release tension it actually it actually uh, it actually can uh can we uh it actually can uh be can helped by the technology okay because


even let's say uh stay home where every everyone have to stay at home they actually have more entertainment compared to, outside they can easily access to TV internet to watch TV all this thing together


I'm sure no one is able to work for twenty four seven this is for sure, okay but what about when you are when their parents are not working at home what how are they going to spend their time with their with their families


this still it still requires technology's help watching TV sing uh sing sing sing song together or baking all these through technology's help


part two debate topic two, is effective farming possible without science yes it is


okay, currently farming is with the science and she provides a most sustainable uh amount of production, and also more a wider uh to the uh to feed worldwide demands


and with the science with the science help it also help their farming to increase, the the amount of harvest okay and not only that it also help to help in the quality control from seed to feed


means from the seed all the way to consumer mouth why I say so it is because with just science helps, farmer have a better knowledge anduh knowledge tools equipment and


information to uh to grow their plant with a better quality, and, and they are able to to to change the quality of the uh of their products


even it it to uh uh to a better level what do you think so vanessa


okay look back in the past we probably need to wait for, want uh we probably need to wait for very long time in order to have a durian, right but now at any time with their science help


you can we can have durians at any time uh anytime that we want don't you think that this is good


okay in fact with the science's health in farming, even the fertiliser and pesticide have better solutions instead of using too much of, uh chemical they with the science help it actually have uh have a they actually invent a better machine


to to uh or place to burn the uh in uh material to make it a better quality fertiliser when it comes to pesticide, how many of people able to eat food or things that are not nice or ugly


so definitely with the science help right with the science help in the in the farming it actually help the farmer have better, better better sales and productions and for consumer we also have a chance to


with the uh and for us consumers we have the chance to try or eat more, more products from worldwide


okay, when we talk about quality and quantity, of the products that humans consume, definitely the quality and quantity are they


okay why I say so with the science help, with the science help farming are more uh farming are able to raise their productive uh their productivity and also amount of harvest


have been doubled and it when we talk about the quantity it, is it is still depends on how ethical of a a person whether, they misuse of the technology of science okay so


in fact in the market we still consumed a high quality and quantity food, by the government's health as well


okay with the science help in farming, it actually helps to it also helps the it actually help the worldwide, the price of the worldwide price okay why I say so if there is a too serious of uh shortage


if it if it is have a large shortage of the food uh supply the price will going to increase even more and


like you said it is impossible for uh developing country uh afford ah be ah population grow, uh to buy or to get the get the things so definitely with the science's help it also helps to


uh maintain the price in the market and the other thing is with the science's help, in a in a farming farmer have a better, time management and they know when is the harvest time so that they can do the marketing uh better


what do you think


of course it is look now with the science help, the farmer or uh manufacturing of factory they are able to to they are able to extract the nutrient's out from the fruits of food or production


and to serve the market even better with the high quality of nutrients all this is with the help of with the help of the science, don't you don't you see there are many upcoming supplements


supplements uh in the market or this is through the science help, and why why the supplements it helps why it why there is a supplements market it is because there are many people uh


wanted to have a better or better quality of fruits that's why they they they they they they do for supplements, so with the science help, all humans all human able to


all humans have uh another alternative to live better


okay with the science help it as it actually providing for the population have, uh result in depressed depressed world price like I mentioned earlier which, which is


which is very uh benefit for everyone, and, okay and also with the with with the science help, nowadays farmers or manufacturer they have a better education


and they know they know how to how to produce, a better quality uh production to feed the market, so that everyone can benefit from there


so I'm how often have uh how of I'm I'm sure you also try fuji apple in the market but, do you think with without science help this fuji apple can't even reach singapore and you can't even taste the sweetness of the apple


part three debate topic three, okay, !hey! melissa don't you think that the artificial intelligence should be embraced since it in in inevitable


yes I totally totally agree with you, so basically what I know from this AI is, it's referred uh referred to us simulations of human intelligent in machines they are programmed to think like a humans and they also act like a humans


and I'm sure this is helping humans uh helping humans to uh, to have a easy to have a better and easy life and solving most of the problem that humans beings can't do


ya but when most people here that think of artificial intelligence the first thing they usually think of is robot, okay that's because big budget firm suh uh uh uh


films or movie is about humans style machines that were the on the on the earth, but nothing could be further from the truth, the artificial intelligence is also based on the principle that human intelligence can be defined in a way that a machine can easily


uh mimic it and also accurate it accurate the tasks from the most simple to those that are even more complicated, the goals of these artificial uh artificial intelligence uh intelligence also include in learning


uh uh and also uh reasoning and also uh and also perceptions


yes yes I totally agree with you, there are also many uh example, that AI uh with the AI help and include with computer that plays


uh let's say about self uh driving car, each of these machine must weigh the consequence of actions, uh any action they're uh they take and as each actions will impact in the end result so


so for uh a commuter a the self driving car the commuter must also uh, must also account for uh external data and compute it to act in a way that prevent uh prevent from uh accidents


so uh not only that it's also applied in a financial industry so, where it's also used to detect and uh they take the activity in bank and finance such as unusual debit card usage on large amount of deposit or of


which help bank departments to monitor better


ya but do you know that AI can be divided into two different categories which is weak and strong, the week AI is actually embodies a system designed to carry out one uh particular job weak


AI system also includes video games such as the test example form uh above a personal assistant like Amazon, uh Amazon alexa or Apple siri so you ask


you you you ask the assistant a question it answers uh it for you so for the strong AI system, it's the system are carry on the task considered to be like a human, okay and these tend to be more complex and complicated system and they also programmed to handle situations in which


they may be required to solve the are uh the problem without having a person, intervene so this kind of system can be found on in application like self driving car or hospital uh operating rooms


ya the the self driving car have been very uh controlled as, the machines tend to be designed for lower possible risk and also these uh casualty so


if uh presented with a scenario of uh, colleague linked with one person or another at the same time, this car would calculate the options that would cause than least amount of damage


ya ya you are so right, so with the many uh in the many industry also looking for automatic automate uh automate uh


certain jobs through using AI assistant also so there is a, uh concern that people would be pushed out of the work uh force but, at the same time it's also clear more opportunity for people to have uh to to do something new and


uh and uh better uh or better better career place


yes definitely, for example our common uh common things that we you it is our smartphone nowadays you can easily access to, any part of the world and you can get all the information this is all are


uh AI's uh this is or uh AI's uh help, and not only not only that AI also helps us to uh to to bring the world closer to one another for uh by the social media


yes, this uh I definitely agree with that I also noticed in a in a uh some, shopping centre mall they are also have kind of AI assistance where people can find


can can ask them questions or find uh directory from there AI assistant, okay and not only that it I also saw with the AI uh assistant in hawker centre we don't need


elderly or or (uh )or people to keep our plates and trays, AI can do all these simple tasks to clear the tables and clean the tables without a mess and then


for us for for humans for us we can we have more we have more time or we have other opportunities to learn, to grow ourselves even better and for the elderly they don't need to they don't need to work so hard they


in fact this is the time they can they they should use to spend with their children or family


ya so AI actually now it's very common and very helpful in our lives and it also it also helps, eh or use in cross different industrial uh including financial or uh health care


for example health care so in I ever see that in uh a, health care centre there is a AI robot way they can do a simple uh, chit chatting with elderly and answer elderly needs


so this not just being drive to elderly at the same time they also let elderly, have a uh have another entertainment uh for them to find out the interesting of AI


yes yes you are so right, so, another uh what I also noticed is that with the AI's help, even people who don't have a car they easily can get a


uh they also they easy can reach their destination even uh faster, with a shorter kind with with uh fair, uh, fair fair fair fair


fair price


google google map, yes yeah


yes I totally I totally totally agree with you I've ever experienced with AI uh system which are I used, the waze system to uh to go to my destinations and


with this AI system it able it able to tell us where is uh which is the shorter, way too reach and what is the what is the duration uh for us to reach there


the time that we need uh uh the time that we need to uh we take to which that at the same time it's also able to uh tell us to avoid, from accidents uh where is uh where where where's the point of the accidents and


we so that we can plan and avoid from these unnecessary uhuh unnecessary uh jam


okay so I'm the opposition so I disagree that the demands of the economy and that, environment are balance, so my first point is singapore's economy so singapore invested, significantly in infrastructure required for global markets


and singapore we don't produce crude oil but we are very known for being a major hub for oil refining, and trading, so oil refining and processing has a direct, an immediate effect on the environment, so for example southern islands have been cleared of native population so like they clear the people living there lah combined to create large petrochemical uh refineries of


and storage facilities so basically like these, uh, refineries and facilities right they actually have high levels of carbon emission which is very natural and so this ultimately leads to climate change


okay I move on okay so then, so it cannot it cannot be denied that you know singapore we are such a small country and, we have, and with no natural resources we need to make certain compromises on environmental protection in order to feed the five million people we have here so we have always been pursuing a development in


any, industry in which we could carve out relevance uh for ourselves in this world economy so okay, to put it simply so singapore on their geographical map we are not very significant because we are so small so that's why in return we try to do a lot more so we try to have a lot of these you know we are a major hub for oil refining and trading so


, so for the for our economy we actually negate, the environment, okay so moving on so okay so we actually build up many key industries that pollute significantly so we have tourism aviation shipping and


manufacturing, and that's only a few out of the, many, so one great irony in our economy is that even though we do not produce a single drop of crude oil we are the world leaders in


in oil refining and trading so for example uh we have the Keppel Corporation and Sembcorp Marine so we are also a major okay hold on okay that so our airport and ship and sea port are among the busiest in the world and we attracts


and we attracts some, three and we attract three times more tourists each year than the size of our own resident population so unavoidably all these activities either produce or are complicit in producing very large amounts of carbon emission contributing to


climate change


uh okay, , okay so okay I'm I will just rebut to your point so basically , okay as much as you know we have all the we are using the what you mentioned the solar


solar energy is it ya ya so as much as we try to convert to using like this kind of more environmentally friendly like uh, uh resources we cannot deny the fact that okay like I said singapore


, we are the biggest in like oil refinery and trading so as much as, like it has uh how do I say this okay wait okay I so okay this oil, the singapore's oil refinery and training has a positive impact on our economy okay so


but, at the same time the government actually, uh, made efforts to like reduce our pollution so like you said you know all the solar energy and what not, but, if despite all the government's efforts right singapore's CO two emissions still increase so for example


as of, twenty sixteen right singapore has a total of forty eight million tonnes of fossil CO two emissions so if you compared it to the previous year twenty fifteen twenty fifteen only had forty seven million so despite the government's efforts there was still an increase in the fossil CO two emissions and so


that I I say something okay so basically okay just this topic itself it says in our society, so is not so much singapore trying to help the world is more so singapore trying to help, ourselves but wait wait wait wait I haven't, I haven't finish okay wait cause your point right you keep saying that you I think you mentioned that


is, it it it affects the global or something like that I mean towards the end that's what you mentioned lah so like does for singapore itself we, the government did try I never, I didn't mention that they didn't they did try but, despite their


efforts they're still, and it, increase in the fossil CO two emissions and so then, , fossil CO two emission is actually caused by power plants and oil refineries which is what we are very big for so even if the government is promoting like is telling like is promoting the economy to be more like environmentally friendly like even though they try to


are contributing lah to the fossil


the fossil CO two emissions is because of the, is because no is


ya okay so okay, so the fossil, at the fossil CO two emissions is caused by power plants oil refineries and large, industrial facilities, so as much as you know tourism, the tourism industry may, contribute to this is also like


like as in I'm not trying to say that you know totally cut out all these tourist but as in just redeem what we can do for our country with or without all these tourist lah like singapore tried already because, is because of okay is basically we are facing whatever


we have now, and then the government is trying to go and counter the issue, and whatever we are facing now is, eh is just like as in as in just, I don't think okay I it's just my own, like view I don't think that the whether or not we have tourist effects because I believe that like is just a


you know like how do I say this okay wait, so basically, tourists won't contribute so, like so much because you keep trying to, emphasise that you know the tourism, sector is like contributing to all these, but mainly it's because of how the way singapore works so singapore itself we used all all these oil refineries


and all the, you know all these industrial facilities is just purely for our own


the whole the okay the main, the main issue is the fact that, singapore tries, but if you look staticly statistically there isn't like a a positive like change so I think that's just so you know base on the statistic I just


don't think that it's balanced because, if you are if you want to have a thriving economy


okay then I will just, summarise my my points so okay, in conclusion, singapore is very, heavily invested in our infrastructure, and we are very focused


on being on having an economy that is, thriving because we're such a small country, so so singapore, is known for being a major hub for oil refining and trading which is the two main factors that are actually


contributing to us being not so environmentally friendly as a country also okay as much as singapore government has, commendable efforts to reduce


pollution generated in our, economy , we cannot ignore the statistics that're, provided for us which is the fact that, the fossil CO two emission


part two debate topic two


okay okay I I just I state my points first okay so , okay for me I see that natural disaster is not entirely a result of human activity so firstly


in the name itself it's natural disaster so okay natural disasters are, as much as you know as uh you mentioned it may be due to human activities it is also due to the earth's mechanism rather than men actions themselves so for example earthquakes and volcanic eruptions so these are like


it's due to like earth's tectonic movements and the seismic activities so and for example earthquake is due is caused due to the, tectonic plates moving so when there's an earthquake the earthquake releases this thing called seismic waves which travels to the like into the sea which causes tsunami


so like this kind of natural disasters are things that we can't control it's not like, is like you know nothing we do will make a change to, and, like it cannot prevent these kind of things from happening ah ya and so okay an example that I have will be like in hong kong so this happened in like nineteen seventy two so


hong kong actually experienced a series of, landslides so , uh as a result of the landslides there were like sixty seven deaths and the thing is this is not due to like, man-made activities it was actually due to unstable ground that was caused by heavy rainfall earlier


in the year so it was, because of one natural disaster, that led to another, which was something that human cannot control lah because heavy rainfall there's nothing that we can do so that it led it led to the landslide


okay, okay so okay then, let me, see, okay so my point is, okay so uh


I don't know if you mentioned this or maybe, I heard wrongly but pollution might be uh, a cause of like natural disasters, and pollution is caused by humans what, but even let's say one day if the earth was free of all these pollution you know and there were no factors leading to global global warming even like at a time like this natural disasters can still happen because


I think to me it's just very straightforward it's called natural disasters already so whatever, that will happen you know all this will happen very naturally is just how the earth works and, like I feel like humanity cannot be, blamed entirely for it because there are really certain things that


not within our reach , ya and also okay so I don't know if , this is considered a natural disaster but you know black


hole, you know the black hole right so basically the black hole is not is not , it's not okay humans didn't create the black hole okay but this black hole existed and this black hole actually, causes a lot of, natural disasters to happen so then you know this kind of thing which


further emphasises my point that, human activity eh humans are not entirely to blame for the natural disasters that happen


me personally I don't


so uh okay you mentioned that is because of humans that uh animals are extinct but okay then let me just see this so


okay so it has been discovered by scientists lah that over the last seven million years twenty eight animal lineage went extinct, and this actually happened way before like


ya it also okay so basically okay twenty eight animal lineage went extinct and so which contributed to the lack of diverse mammal populations today so according to


according to a steady long term decline okay there's a steady long term decline of the diversity of , of mega herbivores occurring around six four point six million years ago with extinction beginning only like one million year ago so this actually happen way


like way before like humans even like, so like all these is naturally out of just so all these animals like all these million years ago animals they just went extinct


either you know because of natural disasters maybe they were sick or anything but it was way before like, you know humans could, learn how to like, kill them so like if you were to talk about all in or not just in our today, our age that our day and age is not entirely because of humans and also right you mentioned about like tsunami so like tsunami all this like I mentioned lah is I as I mentioned just now in my first point it is


all, just how the earth works so like I said is the tectonic plates that you know when they meet than they will cause like earthquakes and earthquakes released this uh release , uh released this


uh okay it has tectonic movements and so they have seismic activities which is why we have tsunamis and earthquakes and usually these two come together and like , ya


okay lah then I I just I summarise my points okay so basically what, my point is that , I disagree that most natural disasters are the result of human activity


which basically means that I, I believe that it is mostly just because of, nature itself so my point is just, natural disasters which are where most common are actually like you know earthquakes volcanic eruptions and like maybe forest fires all these are due to how the earth moves like for example okay earthquake and


and , earthquakes and tsunamis are because of the tectonic plates and volcanic eruption uh sorry forest fires, are actually for example okay just in indonesia so they actually into like five years ago they had like a forest fire that reached across indonesia so this was actually because of the weather conditions there and is because like conditions were especially dry


in, that region so, like, this kind of, , how to say this kind of natural uh , natural factors are not things that we can control because, like, the if the like for example this fire in india if it's because of how hot


it is there, so you know then it caused the fires to happen lah so ya it's not something that I believe that it's not something we that's within our, control ya so, my point is just natural disasters caused by nature


part three debate topic three


okay so for my point I, I disagree that we should use every possible source so firstly uh okay so this has actually got to do with our, our economy and our industry so as our


industries grow so does the demand for energy so as a result right ya some some people may see that every energy sources from oil and natural gas to wind and nuclear energy everything should be exploited so although it is important to drive our economy forward


it wouldn't be it's not very wise to exploit every energy source to, like to the max since that will result in huge environmental problems create potential hazard as well as drain the limited resources quickly so okay energy waste energy sources especially fossil fuels such as


coal oil and natural gas should not be fully exploited because this method is not sustainable so okay so what we see on the surface right is the exploitation may seem to reduce the energy problem but the issue of sustainability gets worse


so fossil fuels are actually limited and are expected to vanish soon, so the world could still have oil reserves that would fill like eight hundred million barrels and , but, it is getting


uh okay it is like running out so and uh currently is estimated that we will run out between twenty twenty five and twenty seventy so current natural gas that deposits fill about


six thousand trillion cubic feet, that could with that with the, current level of usage could last us about fifty years, and coal has the greatest reserves which is spread all over the earth so if we carry on using coal at the same rate as we do today we could have enough coal to last only over a thousand years however as other


fossil fuels run out particularly oil the use of coal may increase so that means that the time span will of coals will decrease, so it will not last us over a thousand years anymore


okay so you okay you mentioned been using wind energy right so okay the thing is wind energy it has its disadvantages so firstly is it is very unpredictable and the availability of wind energy is not constant


so , wind energy is because of this right it's not suited as a base load energy source and (ppc) also right it is, the cost competitiveness of wind power is highly debatable so both utility scale wind farms and small residential wind turbines uh they typically rely heavily on financial incentives so


solar power right is generally regarded as the first choice for home owners looking to become energy producems producers themselves but wind turbine make wind turbines makes an excellent alternative in some situations however


it will take a wind turbine of about ten kilowatts and forty to seventy thousand dollars to become a net electricity producer so investments like this don't last long so it's not a long-term, like it's not ideal for a long-term plan because like usually this kind of


investments break after, ten to twenty years, and also about renewable energy, so renewable energy often has trouble creating the same amount of power that fossil fuels made because of its inefficiency so this means that people must either produce the amount of energy they use or we need to build more efficient operations


so people don't want to be forced to change their lifestyles to accommodate the environment and especially singaporeans we I don't think we are very adaptive to change so , uh so in my opinion the environment doesn't take precedence over the other issues in life so one reason that people don't take advantage of renewable technology is simply because they don't like change


and also renewable energy is not completely reliable because even though it's very sustainable lah because we cannot control when receive it and where we receive it and how much we receive, so this kind of energy often relies on weather and it requires movement in the air and solar panels


and ah ya and solar panels so all of these are unpredictable and inconsistent also because solar panels, it relies on the sun and this kind of thing ya is unpredictable


ya that's just that's just my my own point of view, ya it's just my opinion


uh it is not, it is unpredictable and it is uh and basically is expensive


as in I mean what what my own point what I believe is that, a turbine is very expensive like I said it's forty to seventy thousand dollars and all these don't even last you like investments like this ah because it's so it's so high in cost that is not in the as in it doesn't it's not ideal to last long-term so if


but you're going to have it for max twenty years and then after that you realise that it's actually not, it's not ideal lah so as even though you say ya burning trees and all that is also cost effective which I don't see why is, that cost effective it is also equally like my point it is not


ideal for long-term


I think we it's I think it's important to have a balance of everything lah as in okay I don't know much about, the other, energies I'm just saying this based on what I have knowledge of it just to me is important to have a balance you use too much of one thing


then you don't make use of another then obviously you're going to suffer which is why we say that we we don't want to , use everything like we we don't use every source fully you know you have to have a balance so that, so that is I


it'll be so that we can last long-term lah, ya, that's just so I think


uh okay so then


err okay I just want to like further reiterate my point on like the wind energy so okay just in singapore is not is not very realistic also because wind energy like it requires


a lot of land and singapore we are already we are so small, so like, if you want to talk about having more wind turbine then is not ideal for us singaporeans and also , basically you count you rely on wind turbine so when there's no wind blowing you don't get energy


ya, so that's just about what you mentioned about green energy and, also you mention about, err, ya K ya so renewable energy so I mean like I said lah it's just as much as you want to help


the earth and you want to be, environmental friendly and all that kind of thing renewable change, , is just in general, people, will not accept the fact that they need to change their lifestyle, for the environment


so , ya so all in all my, point is that , no we shouldn't use every possible energy it shouldn't be fully exploited because , I believe that there needs to be a balance and


in order for, just the country to, to to last long-term wise is important that we balance out all the energy that we use and it shouldn't be fully exploited at once so ya as much as we want to meet our (ppc) our economy needs is also important that as in if you just focus on the present


like if you use all these then now you can, like you can, meet the industry's need for energy, it's not going to serve us well long-term because in the future then we will not have like, sustainable energy to survive I guess ya so it's important to have a balance so no we should not fully exploit


all the energy ya, ,


uh okay so for my point I


I I uh I propose that, the demands of the economy and the environment are balanced is because uh I feel that singapore, throughout the years have been, implementing different policies and, procedures to help limit the environmental impact that singapore will cause to the environment so for example


from early twenty nineteen, over the last fifty years singapore have actually moved from using natural gas, err from oil to natural gas for cleaner power generation, and also they have start to use more solar energy on rooftop and reservoir improving the reliability of the energy system while keeping the costs affordable


so looking ahead singapore actually have feel that climate change is a challenge that requires them and us to change the way that we use and produce energy especially if energy demand continue to rise with economic growth, singapore energy sector will need to evolve in order to achieve a vision of a clean and efficient energy future


so actually since twenty nineteen, the minister for trade and industry #chan chun sing# actually created a energy story which harnessed four switches to guide and transform singapore energy supply these four switches would be


uh compromise the first switch will be using natural gas so actually as of now about ninety five percent of singapore electricity is generated using natural gas, the cleanest fossil fuel as of today, uh natural gas will continue to be a dominant fuel for singapore in the near future as we scale up other switches


while another type of energy which singapore have tried to use would be using solar energy, solar energy remains singapore most promising renewable energy source and singapore is also trying to achieve a new solar target of reaching at least two gigawatt peak by twenty thirty and an energy story deployment target by two hundred beyond twenty twenty five


so actually other than energy, usage I think that in terms of other demands right, you can see from the government implementing, different uh agencies such as like NEWater to help us to filter reuse eh filter and reuse used water


and not depend, on so much on other countries ya hence helping to keep our environment in singapore balance


moving on to you summer


err okay so I want to rebate to your point is because even uh as you said that even though the government have come up with different policies there's still an increase in CO two emissions but I feel that


as you said singapore have is a tourism hub and , aviation hub so in terms for our economy to growth tourism and aviation is a very key component in our uh in our country infrastructure uh for our economy so it is impossible for us to neglect on this point and if we do not want to neglect on this point CO two emissions are inevitable


so what I'm trying to say is that singapore being a first world country compared to other nations we are already implementing a lot of policies and have a vision to, help and reduce climate change compared to other first world countries which may not have this type of ideas and policies in place


so I feel that from my personal point of view singapore as, a country is are already playing a part in helping our world to become to change and reduce the risk of climate change and natural disaster from occurring


uh hi sorry uh I'm I'm not trying to say about


okay but I understand from your point but if you were to say this so are you saying that singapore can live without, having to, as in because , as you have said the main reason singapore


produce so much fossil fuel is because of our need of tourism, and in the aviation sector producing more fossil fuel than what we need as in if only for our own citizens right so are you saying that, if singapore do not want to produce so much fossil fuel or so much carbon dioxide and harm the environment we should


stop, we should reduce the amount of tourist that are coming into singapore and the amount of aeroplane that are flying into singapore


but the main reason for fossil CO two emissions is because more energy more energy are needed right, so if, okay so if more energy are needed is because more electricity are consume and with more tourists eh coming into our country there will definitely be a rise in electricity being consumed for our nation


okay I understand from your point of view and and more clear so , okay as you you are saying that we singapore use all these oil for our own point of view okay but


even though having said that I still cannot disagree to the to my I I still I will still support my own point of saying that I feel that the singapore government have already played their part, to try and make singapore a more environmental friendly country


and, hub to be more environment balance cause as you can see by using of solar panels to generate electricity is actually a step forward and it's actually a long term effort, that singapore is trying to create to make the singapore uh government uh effort of trying to produce a more greener singapore by twenty by twenty thirty so


actually, singapore are also engaging in different partnerships, and, dialogues across the world with other countries trying to, help not only, our economy but also other countries' economy


and, help to make the whole world more environmentally friendly and balance so having said that if singapore were also want to help other country, to become a more environmental friendly uh place I feel that


we as a country are already doing, something that is out of our own, reach something bigger, to contribute and help to make this world more environmental friendly place hence this is why I feel that in our society


, the demands of the economy are very well balanced by our government through the different efforts that they use and and the different efforts that they have made to help to make singapore a greener and, more environmental friendly country


ya okay ya I agree with your point too so I think that most importantly in the end is to ensure that we have a balance between, our economy and the environment so we must ensure that our our economy will continue growing


while not neglecting our environment and ensuring that it is, playing a positive part for our world and not because of our our and not because of just focusing on our economy and neglecting our environment so , I feel that to summarize out


the more the most important thing that, singapore, will have to do and have to continue to do is to continue to look for more options and different areas that we can help to make the world, and singapore a more


environmental friendly place, so that we can not only be a positive influence for ourselves but also for our neighbouring countries and be a role model for other countries to look up on and work towards being a greener uh world


okay so okay I agree that, I agree with your point that you still feel that, singapore is still not doing enough to help to make uh our country a more environmental friendly place but I will still reiterate my own point saying that I feel that our our uh government are already doing enough and doing something that is out of their own reach ah so actually


uh singapore also have a, singapore international energy week and is now in its twelfth edition so it's actually a premier platform in asia for energy insights partnership and dialogue bring together the world leading conference in one week and in singapore to enrich more on global energy conversation


by combining with eh uh different energy industry top leaders, to define and advance the world leading energy challenges so you can see that truly singapore international energy week it have already showed that singapore is already playing a big role and a big part


to help to make singapore a more environmental friendly place


part two debate topic two, for my point of view I feel that


human activity are the most common causes of natural disaster and why is this so because I feel that , over the decades and uh generations we humans have actually engage in a lot of different activities that have causes a lot of harm to our environment one such activity would be for me I feel would be agriculture


as most of us would eat some form of animal product such as milk cheese and meat, and are often a staple in our diet, these products are unfortunately polluting our environment and increasing the risk of natural disaster so actually for example


uh just to let you uh just some some background information, much of the amazon forest is being clear cut to make ways for cattle ranches the removal of trees during deforestation hence lead to global warming, and also disrupt the water cycle


and without trees to absorb rainwater rainfall this shall cause, a flood to occur and soil erosion in this area and as you guys know floods and tsunamis are one of the most common natural disaster that are happening much uh


all around the world so and the death toll of one such flood or tsunami can rise up to tens of thousands and, tens of thousand so , I feel that human activity is the number one cause of natural disasters happening in our world and other than agriculture the other human activity I feel


uh would be because of like what we said in our first point air pollution, uh air pollution is actually due to different uh sources such as uh car engine aeroplane engine or industry uh industry projects so actually


air pollution will help to increase in a average global temperature around the earth, causing global warming and these even small increase in a few degrees celsius can be devastating for our planet because this increase in greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide methane and nitrous oxide can affect


the glaciers by even a bit which can, cause a rise in sea level, and in the end uh causing, flood to occurs and as you know actually a lot of countries for example uh venice is one which is very below sea level so actually if this sea level continue to keep rising


for the next few uh years and decades we may they may just be flooded if we humans don't stop our human activity and that's why I feel that human activity is the most natural cause of natural disaster


okay uh actually I want to rebate on your point regarding what you said about earthquake is not a cause of natural disaster so before I state my point do you know that the Sichuan earthquake in two thousand and eight what is the main reason of that earthquake which killed over a few


millions people actually uh Sichuan earthquake right which killed eighty thousand people sorry and uh, was actually a result, which many scientists uh believe was triggered by the weight of three hundred twenty million tonnes of water there have been collected in the


Jinping quarry reservoir over a well known fault line, so actually, from this example right, that is why I want to say that my point is that earthquake is not entirely not due to human activity it is because of us human of what we do on the land that causes our tectonic plates to disrupt our tectonic plates pattern and causes the seismic wave to produce various and unique seismic wave


hence causing earthquakes to occur, so, I don't feel that it is entirely not down to human activity, but that's why I feel that human activity is the most number one factor of natural disaster uh occurring all around the world in addition


err for example in the US, uh human induced earthquake have also largely centred around fracking for oil and natural gas hence also given the rapid spread of technology in many states , look disposing of uh wastewater used in the process and chemicals used to hydraulically fracture hydrocarbon from rock all these will just lead to more earthquakes happening


ya so I feel that human, are still the most, number one factor that causes natural disaster


okay so, , actually before I want to reiterate my point do you believe that dinosaur exists in the past


so you don't exist you don't believe that that dinosaur exist, okay so actually why I want to why why why do I want to bring dinosaur to this case is because you know of animal extinction right a lot of our animals nowadays are already on the verge of extinction or some have already gone extinct so why would animal go extinct is also because of human activities


and I feel that, animal extinction and natural disaster, they are very similar in a sense that, these two uh points are all due to human activities and hence why would animal extinct


it's also due to a result of for example we humans want to uh go for the animal for their meat or for any, beneficial purposes for our human and, in the same way we human causes natural disaster are also because of us our own doings doing things that damage the world


but for the benefit for example of our own economy, and, because , for example you see in the bus, before in the nineteen hundreds or or or what when there are not so much technology and stuff, do we have to consume so much electricity and energy the answer is no


so it's actually because of how the technology changes over the years, how this technology rapidly increase and changes over the years which lead to an increase in the amount of energy and hence electricity being consumed by us humans and as a result of more electricity being consumed


more fossil fuels will be burn, leading to more carbon dioxide emission and hence global warming as you know is a very serious case so , that is why I really feel that human activity is the number one cause cause without us human activities you can imagine that the world would be still


without we will be living with , glaciers as, glaciers that has have not even melted, I feel and, we won't have to fear about rising sea levels, we won't have to experience tsunami earthquakes every annually or twice a year and all those different natural disaster from happening


so that is why I feel that, in order for us to stop natural disasters from happening, we as humans in the world, we must be the one to step out of our own zone and make a change for the better of our economy and for the world


this is why I feel that human is the most common cause of natural disaster


okay so actually I I I understand from your point of view but do you know that okay as you know uh philippine


and taiwan right they are commonly hit by tsunami and typhoons throughout the past few years right but do you know that before that, , those countries are actually, uh historically in those regions right the wind in the atmosphere are actually not as fast as it should have been


but do you know why the wind in those atmosphere are becoming faster and hence causing tsunami to occur I've this is all because of greenhouse gas induced warming of the ocean surface which hence causes lower altitude wind to decrease the wind shear


and hence causing the wind to be faster, so, with this being said right scientists also predicted that in the future the most extreme drought condition will affect the earth in, the land surface by by two thousand and one hundred so


this is why I've I feel that , human is still the biggest causes of natural disaster happening, because if really you see without us human we would not without us human there would not be any carbon dioxide emission there will not be any you see we we would not need K I'm not saying that we cannot have


we we agriculture is for, uh forbidden or we should not have agriculture happening I'm just trying to say that we should reduce on the amount that we are you uh doing as in the amount of greenhouse gas emissions that we are producing as a as a world


so that we can reduce the rate the risk the rate of natural disaster from happening all over the countries and all over the world so, actually this is why , this is my main point which is are which I want to summarise now is just to feel that for what we human can do is just to


become more socially responsible and to play a and all of us to play a part in helping to build a world that is more, environmental friendly and help to for example through simple tasks like saving electricity or like turning off your fan or TV when you are not using it all these simple task can lead up to a big big goal for us as a country and as a world so if you imagine that uh


a tons of millions of people doing this type of things switching off your TV when or fan when they're not using it how much electricity it would have saved and how much carbon and how much uh, fuel we would save and carbon dioxide emission will be so much lesser now compared to the future if we were to keep continue to do what we have to do and most importantly


as you know natural disaster can cause, a lot of that from happening so we certainly do not want any more natural disasters from happening in our economy in our world in the future hence I feel that we, humans should just play a part and be responsible now and try to limit ourselves from using so much uh electricity and generating so much uh energy


part three debate topic three okay so uh from my point of view I agree that with an increasing need for global energy every possible source should be exploited this is because


to generate to to add on to the previous two point which I have uh already mention for example or on the previous point, I have mentioned that due to natural disasters happening are a result of human activities and such as global uh carbon dioxide emissions and all hence I feel that for this point what I'm trying to mention is that


we should try to increase and look for a global need for more renewable and reusable energy a more cleaner form of energy ya so actually I feel that what we singapore can do is


the most efficient way of looking for more reuwel reusable and renewable energy would be in a form of solar panels as you know that singapore being in a tropical climate in these equator region is such a hot, country and we have the beauty of the sun for almost everyday so we should just make use of this natural


gift that I would say that we have to the best and make use of this solar panel to help us to generate out our electricity, in addition other than having solar panel I also feel that singapore government can also look into other factors and other programme such as having hydraulic uh power so for instance as we know singapore got so many different reservoirs and


err rivers across the country so we can actually look to implement a few hydraulic powers in a few of these rivers uh in our country to help us to generate extract uh energy for us and hence reducing our


we and then helping us to produce more reusable and renewable energy rather than just trying to look for burning of fossil fuel or other type of harmful uh energy uh pollution uh map part types ya


okay I agree I I I agree to to to a certain extent from your of your point of view but I feel that even though after what you said, the amount of the amount of energy that we need are still is still at a much


bigger and higher level hence we humans should just look to exploit as much different energy uh resources that we can find in the world because uh, realistically speaking right we will definitely need a lot of energy


looking at how much energy consumption we use, for a single person in the day so I feel that just continue to reiterate, on my point we have to just look for more and different ways of generating reusable and renewable energy so to further add onto my point


there are a lot of different ways that I can uh earn it out to generate reusable and renewable energy so for, instance one would be wind energy I feel cause wind is a plentiful source of clean energy, and wind is a natural element which we do not have to it's not harmful for the environment and we do not have to produce from anywhere so we can actually have wind turbines that are used to drive generators which then feed electricity to our uh for our nation


and, other than wind energy we can also have for example geothermal energy, so , you know below our earth, surface there are natural heat so we can actually harness this natural heat below our earth surface so that we can use its geothermal energy and heat up our homes directly or to help to generate electricity so


these are I feel different ways which we can continue to look into, and help to uh prevent the release of carbon dioxide into our atmosphere which will contribute to climate change and global warming because, as you said as our world population raises the demand for energy would


also rise now in order for our our homes business communities to continue to grow so innovation and expansion of renewable energy is key to maintaining a sustainable level of energy and to protect our planet from climate change


and as of today renewable energy sources make up of twenty six percent of the world electricity and hence we are expected to reach thirty percent by twenty twenty four so I feel that, as of now at the current moment this is the best time for the world to continue to look into more options and help to have more different types of uh renewable and reusable energy to generate our increasing global need for energy


okay so I want just to I I just want to confirm with you so your point is that you are saying that, all these like for example solar power wind power are unpredictable and it is not very at I I think you mentioned something that singaporeans are not very acceptive


these of new changes, okay okay, I, okay I can I know that different people will have different opinions on on these like singapore would not be acceptive of new changes but personally I feel that as a human as as a singaporean if I can help to do something that would benefit not only my country but


for the world, and even though this something would make my, uh life more troublesome I would happily, proceed on to do it because I know that, by doing all these thing if I can like for example rather than using electricity I can help to


use the uh what wind energy from the uh wind energy I uh I would generally and happily, use it because I know in my heart that I can help to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide emissions into the world by using all this type of free renewable and reusable energy so personally I feel that if really this type of different uh steps and materials can help


to increase and helped to benefit our world, I would not think twice but will also just, help and, look at this reusable and renewable methods in generating a energy for, for us, so in terms of what you say as in like


it is what what what you say again for the wind energy, okay you are saying that


wind energy is expensive but I don't understand that point is because that wind is free why is it expensive, like if if you were to say that to build the turbine is expensive, but comparing it to


burning off what, smoke burning of trees to produce fossil fuels and all, it is still expensive in if you if you look at it in a long term, which one would be more cost


so I want to ask you since you say all these are not ideal so what do you feel that is the most ideal way of


uh the for the world to source out energy, from your point of view because we have said that wind energy burning of fossil fuels are are all your ideal way so, uh I'm curious to know about your ways, of what you think what is the most efficient method for the world to source out need for energy


I agree that having a balance is important but at the end of the day, I still feel that , we should just continue to look and into reusable and renewable energy because with the increasing global need for energy


this in a busy I I I I feel that this our if we were to continue with our old methods and old ways of trying to produce energy through burning of fossil fuel it will just lead to more damaging uh causes and precaution for our world


which would as from the second topic causing more natural disaster to happen as a result of many activities ya so this a bit contradicting but I feel that , in the end, the most important point is that we humans know that


we need to uh reduce the, reduce our own uh usage of energy and try to look for more efficient and effective way to generate out to our global need for energy ya so through the different points I have point out such as solar energy wind energy geothermal energy and through hydraulic power


ya so all these are all using our natural elements I would say to help us in generating electricity rather than trying to use man-made activities and generating electricity so this is my main point natural elements over man-made activities


okay I agree on your point of view so, just to summarise and up everything I feel that ya , at the end of the day is still trying to look, for ways that will benefit our world to increase our global need for energy


and trying to uh source out different methods which can help to produce more reusable and renewable energy but also ensuring at the same time it is, acceptance of from from the people and also it is cost effective and for the long term ya


okay , right so proposition for to what extent can education improve the lives of people, well I would say to a large extent yes I would agree especially


err okay let's look at the bigger context for his , because education does much for people, uh it gives people knowledge it gives people uh, critical thinking skills which is actually needed for social life and also it educates people not only on


on you know like err theoretical aspect like err you know like math, uh physics or whatsoever but they work they're also educated in terms of how to improve their, lifestyle so you know this could improve productivity and you know they could progress together as


eh I I mean as humans lah, so, my first point would be, err being where, err education, improves less of people because it improve it ah, improve the lifestyle of, people so education because as people get more educated they realise


uh all the , uh dangers that they could impose on their selves like for example like you know, they realized that if they're if, they're lazy you know they they'll get obese and that's where a lot of health, ah risk issue will start to


err, develop in their body so , you know having education people will realise that oh this kind of thing should be, avoided and they will take necessary steps to actually, you know improved on themselves like exercise exercising regularly


err whatsoever and, why I say like this is important is let let's look at the education system in singapore as well like, uh on top of uh what's it called normal like english maths err science classes the schools MOE they do have physical education where they teach their kids from young


err in terms of like you know how to exercise how to stay fit and how to you know improve on themselves and there's also like you know, to ah ways to check on their diet to see if they're eating right eating correctly or whatsoever so


yeah that's uh that's probably one of the points that I have in terms of why you know education can improve the lives of people as it improved the you know the lifestyle


okay so , what err, I do have a question for you to like okay so now like, yes you stated like ah in india right err people with their graduates they're going jobless or whatsoever right


what what do you think like the main, the main like issue is like I'd like because they do have the education and no doubt education like they do get their degree, or err diplomas for a reason cause they want a job but why is it that after getting the


degree after getting their diploma so why are they not getting their job, that they uh desire


okay so , alright so uh my son like ya I do see the fact that you know on terms of you know social factors like ya on top, alright hi okay sorry so as you were saying like on top of education there are actually other underlying stuff that people require in order to you know actually sustain a job now or to get a job now


so I mean okay ya I do I do agree like I mean it's tough out there now I mean education is not the only thing that companies are looking for, but, however like okay moving away from, uh companies for example err let's move it to


for example the economic sector err in terms of err building ties, with err other other nations, I will say that you know education is actually really important because like for example like


uh southeast asia itself like uh ASEAN states right, err it is very important for you know ASEAN to rely on each other like countries in order to you know survive sustain as a southeast asian country correct, countries so I feel like education uh in in like specific areas for example err learning about the asian regions


learning about their cultures learning about how they do go about things is actually very important to actually build up ties which actually improve the country's economy in which will somehow returned to like improving the lives of people because what every country is looking for is actually improving the economy so


having to having education having, uh fresh students or having graduates to learn about err, their, neighbouring countries' culture or whatsoever having that in mind like will actually improve


err what's that called, you improve the country as a whole and also at the same time improve oneself, because err as people, when you learn about other other cultures you become more understanding you become uh you learn more you'll learn more become understanding


and you can you know actually, uh integrate yourself, you can expand yourself beyond like local context, so like you know you won't feel like uncomfortable going to thailand to do business or something like that so I will say that you know in terms of


economic site you know building ties build among countries among borders, more people I think like education do play an important part, in people's life because it actually connects them to the globalised world that we are in now and not like isolate them like you know it give them aware give them awareness that uh


you know there are other cultures going on out there that are you know a lot of things that you can learn out there other than look local context which is actually much needed lah in this globalised world


alright I see I see where you're coming from , right so I have a, you know an idea to propose to you because as you said like, on top of you know formal education there are other aspect to it right ah in terms of you know how you socialize and all that so all those skills I must say would you agree if I say that err such skills would require critical thinking because you need to know the correct questions to ask


the proper, err things to look for online if you're going to, right so what I'm trying to suggest here is critical thinking how it is I mean like how research say it is develop is


via education like subjects like history subjects like mathematics do help, err people to develop critical thinking skills which is why she say it's actually needed in terms of you know on top of just purely formal education which is actually needed


so , I mean it brings back to the point where, I mean like you can go back and forth about how you know education like you keep it to formal education or education move beyond that but if you look at the far fetched at the long run,


we can see that you know education on top of just giving, formal education formal set of skills that they have err they they actually build up other fundamentals, like critical thinking skills like social awareness all this kind of stuff it makes them more aware of uh


what's it called more aware of uh of what's happening, around them and you know do things the right way and not you know get themselves in trouble whatsoever so they always you know this kind of skills, all I mean, all these kind of skills are needed but I will say that my argument would be that education is the seed for these kind of skills so that's why I say like you know in terms of the question like to what extent like ya it's to a very large extent because it's the basic fundamentals it's


the one that you start off to improve the lives of people and without the seed you can never have a plant, ya, I mean that's where I'm coming from


okay so I think somehow like, I mean even though like we are proposition opposition I think we somehow come into like a, uh what's it called agreeing term in which like, ya education is the starting point of things much greater than


uh I mean like things much greater like, all the skills that you need in life, uh but like I mean what's splitting us here is that you know how like you know that education is actually like the core of it like the nucleus of the, of


I mean the nucleus of the entire thing lah so I feel like yes I'll still say like you know yes I do agree that you know education is, err there are, better I mean err what's that called that are, better things on top of education that people will actually need to pick up in order to be successful in life


but I will say that in order for people to pick up those things ah education is really much needed lah because without education you wouldn't know what the correct things to pick up or whatsoever, so


so consider the view an education is no longer necessary for success, well


on on my side proposition that ya I feel like, it is no longer necessary for success because there are other underlying, issues on top of education that people have to people have to you now struggle for and work for, err I think like you know in a world where people err things are getting more


develop uh whatsoever, err, things are getting more advanced and whatsoever, there's always a concept of you know upgrading yourself vertically and horizontally, so , so err what's that called, having having to grow yourself vertically means like to to just you know expand your what's that called expand your knowledge on that specific subject so get education get a PHD you on that certain topic but however if you go horizontally means you learn different skill sets that would actually


you know help you in in terms of getting a job or being successful so I feel now I went back in the past, people getting PHD's and all that people who, who pursue that card that just one, one topic or whatsoever would


actually be successful lite so that's why you know they have a tradition where parents always say like oh be a doctor be a lawyer like you know they're very specific but however now like I feel like the demographics have changed, I feel now like you know, uh people are looking into like what are the skills that you you know require like for example coding uh you know like or simple stuff like you know using like


Microsoft like all the softwares and whatsoever, having all different set of skills makes you a better uh makes makes you more a successful person now as compared to, you know being someone who, have a lot of that single knowledge


and touching on that also , if you were to look at err, for example err singapore's context for say, err I mean there's a reason why the government is actually pushing so hard for people to you know


uh, learn new skills get new skills like you know they introduced the SkillsFuture scheme or whatsoever, so it's an opportunity for people to actually you know, uh push themselve, push push yourself out of the comfort zone


to acquire new skills, so , ya, ah so that's why that that's why I feel like you know it's no longer necessary for success it's more of like, you know the set of skills that you know, or you require it ah sort of skills that you have in yourself


in order to, ya ya ya yup


true true err


alright okay ya , I see I see where you're coming from , like ya that there is a bit of both there is the fact that you know in I mean if I were to build up singaporean context like I build up earlier like ya people's definition of success is you know having great job having jobs with high pay


but, in other countries like you know for example like eh why you bring out like like you know, being professors being doing something great some doing something that makes makes history or something like that that could be a success or whatsoever, but


how and and you said like how you know all those things require like formal education so , however I would like to you know bring back to the point where err what's it called, like it in and, okay in other countries context we making history for example


like I feel like you know education is not really necessary for them to you know gain that success like formal education or whatsoever but I feel like what's more important is actually experience like how much experience that do you actually have, you know in in a certain field like you can have you you might not have like err you know you can have zero experience said at certain things


just like how you study how you , err what's that called how you study how you develop yourself like you know experience it's the journey that you take so that's why like you know I feel like sometimes being, successful it's not really about you know having like formal education and make a name for yourself but it's more of you know the journey that you experience through


I mean like people don't actually see like those successful people like people don't no longer see like oh they're successful because they go to like you know oxford or something like that like, they're success successful because of their journey, you know the the work the the hard work that they actually put


in, so we'll see that you know, err ya I do agree to a small extent that no doubt they need like certain form of formal education in order for them to, I laud those skills or whatsoever but however


it's how they, you know make use of those skills to actually, improve, on themselves like the story that they want to you know the adventure that they want to take for themselves so I feel like there's more, important and


alright so I would like to build another point which like you know actually says like, you know to be successful like I don't feel like education, is the really is a fundamental thing because certain things like where you're certain things you need to be successful is you need to have is like you know for example leadership skills


or you know having the ability to you know talk to a crowd or something like that, so like, a well educated person may not necessarily have, the skills to interact you know, to interact uh well in the crowd whatsoever so like those kind of


you know social skills those kind of, uh, leadership skills or a public speaking skills I feel like those kind of this kind uh this kind of things, you will do, uh pick it up yourself not through education not through formal education but through like you know experience you watch other people do it you experience yourself you try trial and error like okay does this thing work or this thing not or something like that so I feel like you know is no longer the education is no longer the fundamental thing I feel like


on top of that you must do, you know you must have other social skills for you to be successful lah


ah ya ya ya correct correct


right right right right


alright so I mean, alright I mean like I see I see your ideas and all and I feel like in my opinion it all ties down to the definition of success like your definition of success because, ya ya correct and and I do agree because like social success it means like you know you have money you have status you have power whatsoever that's successful that that success to you know the eyes of society whatsoever but


if you look at it in terms of, you know like your own self success like your your own objectives your own some uh your own, motivation like if you manage to achieve that it is technically still a success in some form in one way or another


and I mean I I, I'm not so sure if you've seen the demographic the no not demographic infographic, no a comic like err about how like you know some parents when they see a a garbageman outside some parents tell their child better study hard if not you'll be like that


or and then on the other side some parents tell their child that if you ever be a garbageman the best garbageman like in like you can ever be lah so, I mean, it all ties down to the definition of success because like, even even though you don't have a good job even err the fact that you are good at it you're the best at it shows that you are successful what


ya so I feel like you know, in terms of education, education is not really a you know a, fundamental thing, window of success is like you're like why I bring up earlier is like what you have been through like what you have uh or that like because


the things that you do the the job that you do I mean the fact that brought up the kardashians right like I mean, they don't really have that proper education whatsoever but the fact because they are good at doing it they are good at it uhwhatsoever so, that's why like you know I feel like you know education is no longer necessary lah


and I feel like you know bring out the kardashian firstly err it might be a little, overstretch like I mean if you like you know, smaller the scale, like I reduce the scale like you know you can be like what I say lah you can be the best garbage men and it still a success


ya so, that's where I'm coming from lah


okay so the final err the solution to the problem of, crime is education, discuss well , but I do agree to this


because , how do I say because through education err it teaches the young I mean education teaches the young how to be morally, right to have morals or to have a correct ethics and values


so, from young if they're being instilled you know those kind of being educated like you know oh this are the value social values that you should have uh these are the kind of ethics that you should show whatsoever so as they grew up with those values instilled in them


I will feel that you know the, I feel like you know they will grew up grew up to be a person that ah, you know that, is filled with morals and all so they will actually deter themselves away from you know committing crimes or whatsoever because they know that's not the right thing to do and that's not what they're being taught from young


so I mean like as you can see like don't don't look at singapore context lah the global context as well like you know a lot of, uh schools a lot of schools overseas are actually, uh starting you know to to implement like err you know


civic and morals you know type of education in their education system because they find it necessary necessary because there's no point you know having uh, having not taught them teach them the morals or whatsoever or the things that they they actually you know


the correct ethics or whatsoever from not teaching them from young and then just started oh this is wrong or that they wouldn't know like you know the repercussions they wouldn't you know grew up grew up with it so I feel like you know having education from young, is actually quite important in terms err in the long run to actually you know err prevent and detect the err to prevent the you know commission of crime lah ya that's where I'm coming from


because I feel like you know ah things that you learn when you are young, will stay with you longer as compared to things that you learn now, right so ya so my point is like you know, it's actually very very important to have education like the solution


to crime is education I feel like it's very very true because , look at err for example what like singapore's statistics we'll see , on top of you know having like strict, err having a brutal punish


I wouldn't say brutal like harsh punishments on on their, criminals or whatsoever right err singapore is one of those uh pioneering countries that actually started err you know like a moral education so whatsoever, so and the fact that you know the results have shown you know singapore still remains you know the lowest crime


that is the country with the lowest crime the safest country in in the world, so, my point is, education from young in terms of teaching them what the correct things to do the the bad uh the correct values so whatsoever is actually important


ya ya ya ya


alright okay okay I see I see where you are, I see your your view see your idea and I somewhat agree to it because like ya no doubt like I mean it's facts that you know even though like uh they have implemented you know, moral studies or whatsoever right in in schools what so ever people are


people are still committing crimes so it may not be the proper, solution but okay before uh, however I would like to tackle this on a different angle because okay for example solution to to the problem of crime is education right okay for example like those ex-offenders


alright uh those that actually, did commit a crime then when they when they are you know, err they come back out to the world they serve their sentence or whatsoever, alright so if let's say they were to commit, the crime again that that is still a problem what


however if let's say they come out and they realize that whatever they did do wrong is wrong or whatsoever then it technically solve the problem of crime because it tackles the issue of uh repeated offenders, so what I'm coming at is that alright


it may not necessarily be like from the young education system but education in terms of like you know education in during their sentences like for example their rehab, or their, we have their basically, their education in


during their sentence like for example like in singapore like some err, some err what's that called, but some you know uh a few people like for example decided to pursue to improve themselves spiritually


so that's where this they educate themselves about the religion and all that and, they and you know is this is all no doubt education and when they err usually are, eighty ninety percent of the time when they go back out in the in the world err in society they realized that whatever they've done is actually wrong and they will never do it again like ninety percent will actually say that oh I I'm I'm done I'm done with those life and I want to improve myself


whatever I've learnt in there I'm gonna make I make it to full use, and I will actually you know execute build a better life, so I feel like you know having that form of education solve the issue of crime like yes no doubt there will still be crime but, it is unrealistic to say that err in a society there is zero crime you see so its crime is always a problem is matter of how how high is it or how low is it so the fact that you know having to do that in the long run it would eventually be low because this err


ex-offenders they could also, you know educate like you know give talks give talk to the young ones give talks to the you know teenagers and all that, or or those like troubled youth or whatsoever like they could go to them and actually motivate them to change their life or whatsoever so


all these dive dives back down to the education that you know they have like while serving their centres or whatsoever so I mean technically I will say that you know education would would would solve the problem of crime to a certain extent where you know they they will keep the


crime level low and not high lah, ya and the severity of the crime as well like you know what kind of crimes committed


ya I I get what you're


right okay


true


okay ya I mean ya I think if we can all agree to the fact that you know, crime, education relating education to the solution of crime is a is a really


okay , it's fine it's fine ya okay so, as I was saying like, we ate relating education to the problem of crime is really a far fetched thing because there's a lot of things that involved in like you know solving a crime or whatsoever


so, I mean education alone is not enough lah, a TV like okay sure


so thank you for that motion about education


so maybe what I wanted to bring out first is that I mean we have to be aligned that education here refers to the I mean formal education that is often demoted to between the four walls of a room


for example in school so actually (ppc) err I I would have to agree to a certain extent that maybe to a certain degree maybe about sixty percent that yes education, err does improve the life the people of commoners or the masses right to a certain extent and why I have to say so like for example if you up to primary or secondary school whereby you have like


you mentioned physical education you have sexual education, and all these actually plays a part in in in in grooming a person to be a better citizen right but ah I would have to agree to as about sixty percent right that because I already said that


the the remaining percentage for example forty to thirty percent right err actually falls on the shoulders of, err the governing body right because the social infrastructure is you know to create jobs and platform


for all these graduates right or all these people who has formerly, the picture to contribute err in their respective domain so so I don't the problem has always been the framework the in the way economic model ah incentivise err people cause you see economies is controlled by companies right they have the money and they provide the job


so for example back in twenty eighteen in india they have a huge a number of gap of of graduates right that actually are are are unemployed they were they were they were jobless and that kind of deteriorates


their their their lifestyle having you know minimum income uh under the stress of providing for their families and what not so I would say , err so that that is the certain extent that how actually formal education err you know plays a part in improving people's lives ya


err I think one of the main factors that contribute to this problem like I said the economy is largely controlled by companies like private private sector for example like and, err more often than not actual err working skill sets are actually needed to perform a specific task for example let me just give you an example right


if you have a degree in for example electronics for example and the way that the market is saturated in the way by you know the companies actually have, uh too many of these kind of certifications and too little jobs for all those stay or in the electronics sector right so uh


the problem lies in the creating of opportunities the the creating of jobs and platforms err for these graduate these individuals to contribute to their to their domain right they can be from finance they can be from manufacturing and so on and so forth


that that that's why I I said that to a certain extent having just the education formal education itself is not something that guarantee err to improve the lives of people so actually it it kind of depends on your social infrastructure that's set up


to kind of give you that the opportunity to to use your formal education to improve your life


sorry ah I can't I can't hear you properly


yeah a point noted, but actually if if you were to go back to the to the main topic or you know to what extent the can education improve the life of people and err my my my position was err when you mentioned education is you put formal education


meaning said formal education we do not necessarily, emphasize too much on on on on how to say general knowledge like for example to bring up the point of you know for example if I'm a diplomat err representing a certain country I would need to have err a prior research or information of


err you know the hosting country that I'm about to to, to to visit right to to to know about the culture their their way of life and so on and that err brings back to my earlier point whereby actually formal does education does not necessarily emphasise on this because


this is nearly something that I think anyone anyone with a decent, a a a decent understanding of of of gathering information will be able to to execute like for example if I'm going to thailand tomorrow right and I'm not sure how how their their their country actually you know how the people err the mannerism and what not


it's it's it is definitively easier, for me to you know go go and err on the, internet and find out you know this this stuff that are already err being compiled by other people who have visited thailand before so in terms of I mean the the the the whole topic here is all revolving around formal education formal education


to me my perspective is actually more of the grooming or, all kind of sculpturing a person's character or a person's mental framework err to be accepted into the society it does not necessary necessarily err be err something that you know


brings me to to err the the the next level of of being an expert in a particular domain, right so I guess to a again to my position is to a certain extent yes it it it kinds of improves the lives of of of people due to the grooming and the sculpturing of of mental framework and character but uh overall I believe skillsets


err and and and the the the social, influence like all the social fabric that actually plays a part in in whether, an individual can improve, err their life and to and the lives of the people around them


yup so ya so I totally understand, where you're coming from in fact that was I mean err, the the kind of align there so that's why you know that's why I mentioned earlier that you know formal education it's a grooming err is a grooming phase or sculpturing phase


whereby you know like what do you mentioned like the fundamentals of critical thinking or open mindedness all these comes from formal education that it is nothing that, err to be disputed about and it is just that my my point here is that it it becomes to go which back to the question what extent but to what extent by all means I have I mean I agreed that whenever err there is a


formal education that there is a general sign of of well-being because an individual can particularly single out, you know solution for for our problem they can critical think they can put together proper thought processes and all that but I wouldn't I wouldn't say that that is the absolute absolute err how to say absolute criteria right


having formal education to be able to to to develop to develop those kind of our mental frameworks right ya that that that that's my my


yes err definitely definitely so you know something like err, you can agree on I mean just for example look at, I think a a couple of years back a boy an african kids right who was who came from a a relatively poor family background err but he went to school nonetheless right he he pick up a few skills and read up


err he read books and all that and he and he managed as a kid to came out err wind powered generator, in order to pump to pump more I I believe everyone would have uh uh heard this story right would have pumped water to supply err the agriculture in his village so


that is one of the things that I would agree on that you know without him going to school in the first place without him even reading the books and coming up with thought processes and all that, he wouldn't be able to to you know did what he did right and that it is one of the things that


to education does improve the life of people, but we have also relatively seen, you know educated people who err have uh I would say regressed or digressed in terms of the in terms of their lifestyle right we have seen many graduates


uh who have actually this that live their formal education, they're not able to surpass the the the social threshold of what it means to be successful right they're stuck in a nine nine to five err daily job like like myself right so basically it's it's nothing ah it's nothing


err too, too specific on education I would say so, but I do agree with you yes education to, to a relatively large extent does improve the lives of people


okay thank you thank you for that inside so actually err I think whatever you have you have just mentioned earlier should goes back to the previous err err debate topic right that you do not necessary need formal education in order to be you know quote unquote success but for for the sake of this ah


particular topic right now I mean it's education not no longer necessary for success, so before I start let let's just err I would I would just to like to iterate what uh you know the definition of success here so the success here we're talking about you know material material well alright fame


and and so on and so forth something very a a vain and materialise so that's our our our our term for success right now and, uh I would actually like to kind of separate err


the term formal education and success in a way whereby, for education to be necessary for success it it it very much depends on your field of interest I would say like for example if you would if you aspire to be an academic right that means being an academic is


your your your your, vision of success than very much education is necessary, for them to attain that that that success right, but if you are talking about success about you know money and and wealth


fame uh and so on and so forth then I would like to concur or I would like totally agree that education is not it is not necessary there K like I mean look at the kardashian their net worth is around one billion US dollars right and


they they are not doing any anything academic they're not appearing on national geographic they're not appearing on history channel right ya they're appearing on, you know uh MTV and all that so so of course they don't they don't need formal education, to be a bar


success in that in that sense right like like like for example a one one example I can think of like you know in in africa in in country called uganda right it ranks as the most entrepreneur country in the world actually


err if I'm not wrong it's around err it's around twenty eight twenty six or twenty eight percent the population are entrepreneurs, right and this and this twice the number of err entrepreneurs in the US right so so I would I would say I would say because, err they their opportunities are much more unsaturated compared to the US right so education is actually rather rather an


an opening an opening right to lead you to many opportunities that you may obtain success err success err sorry material success but but in some cases it's it's often that I would opposite that gains err success


but like the example I just gave ago are the kardashian they don't need formal education to be to be wealthy so so their success, does not, stem from academic education per se but rather feeding on modern society's hunger for vanity and fame


so, , ya so that's that's that's kind of my view on on, on whether education is necessary err for a success or not so for example if you if you aspiring to be a professor on astronomy right then yes education is vital and is necessary


for your success ya so I know I know I'm I'm I'm no I'm not much of a opposition there but I I come from a more nuance a more moderate, kind of


position right because err we we we talk about education especially we we talk about success in a different people have different, you know vision of of success but even even if you don't if you don't want to talk about individually even on social on a social level like for example in singapore you mention whoever uh aspires to be a doctor to be a lawyer to be minister even right for that for that for that case


so this singapore's context of social success but it's not necessarily the same in other countries right countries where they err err ah relatively more developed they want to aspire to bigger things like astronomy right landing the first man on mars so did did suggest their vision of success and all these


and all these actually requires to to a certain degree, some form of formal education but if you want to talk about success that, is necessary that you are talking you're asking me that okay education is really necessary for then in terms of material success is not necessary at all given our our err current day and whereby you know you should to upload an app and some


some some some company or developer decided !hey! this app's worth five million dollars so just buy it off you for five million dollars, you don't need you don't need formal education for that like you might need some programming skills yes but not necessarily formal education


then you can say that with perfect utility so that that was , a kind of exactly my point that I was trying to me that you know formal education is not necessarily needed for certain types of of success right so for example if you've mentioned leadership skill you know it's hard to even


all these are not necessarily you know born and bred from formal education it's the journey and experience that an individual have to go through in order to attain these attributes but, that is something that is err of err


that that's something that I will say is in singapore's context is not very often right because in singapore I mean the the dogmatism here in singapore is whereby, if you're not earning enough money if you don't have a house you don't have a car you are not successful you're just a commoner


you're just the average joe or jack right so going back to singapore's context per se right in order to attain , I mean what's what's the what's the the the the the the probably criteria to survive in singapore is that you must have some kind of income right


irregardless of whatever you do because you need you need food on the table you need to pay your bills right so on and so forth, and in order to get some form of income one of the easiest way out is actually to get a job alright that I I believe that most of the ninety percent of what singaporeans are doing right now


in order to get a job in singapore's context education is primarily deemed more sort of uh criteria for you to make a job you know you can tell me that you know, we've got like a ten years of experience worth of experience but if you were to look at that the context of singaporeans of our singapore nowadays a a a a fresh graduate right right out of school with zero experience


just with just his degree he's already earning the same if not slightly better than a diploma graduate who's been working in the past for ten years right you you, in army in the army we have to say they're given it's almost like they got parachuted into the position right because because of their their their degree of their paper qualification so it work the same way here then I believe as what I've mentioned earlier


this is singapore's context so in in singapore's context the the the material success in the is in the form of both income and stability that that's the measurement of success, but in other countries err a success may not necessarily be whatever I just mentioned earlier can be in a form of of you know social entrepreneurship for example that means your business is to you know kind of uh contribute and give back to the community so on and so forth but err I would say that


I I definitely agree that you know you you said it with perfect utility that, and to give formal education per se is not necessary for success so the keyword here is necessary right and and I mean we don't want to be going out there and and pitching to people !hey! you know you don't need to go to school to be successful that's also a role


I I would say err negative uh, negative principle to be you know pitching to the people out there you don't you don't go to a ten year old kid and tell him that !hey! quit school man you don't need school err in order to be successful right so so so so to a certain point you


although we believe that, education per se it's not necessary for success, that is one of the key uh uh openings as I mentioned the openings for success, right the the uh we are talking about of we are talking about opportunity mitigation here if you were to compare with someone who had formal education


to be successful compared to someone who doesn't have education to be successful the the odds are are are way more to the ones that actually have formal education the ones that don't need formal education like the ones I mentioned here, probably means you're a kardashian


right you're a celebrity you do podcast it's towards those side of of of things, but generally as commoners I believe that education, is important to open the doors to success like for example look look look at look at you know like bill gates look at steve jobs right they're they're they're dropout they're dropouts and and people come to me !hey! you know