to grow as fast as their demand for energy so I think since the question is asking, uh, is it possible to protect the environments where when countries are it require increasing amount of energy uh I would say the increase in energy still kind of uh outweighs like whatever


environmentally conscious practices people are doing thus uh the increased in energy still, causes a net uh problem with the environment uh net net problem to the environment such as uh like like I mentioned already the carbon the coal usage ya if there if there was if if let's say the renewable energy could


uh satisfy the demand it will be uh, there there will be no need for coal at all and so in fact china is just one example uh and and china is really one of the the countries who have done very well in renewable energy there are still many uh countries


some with renewable energy some without the ones without uh naturally of course uh and a lot of them are in asia like naturally of course uh their increase in, , demand for energy uh causes uh problems to the environment


uh, so so ya I mean , ya that that would be my stand that uh, if if it were truly possible to protect the environment, despite, the increase in energy then, uh we will no longer have any uh problems we will no longer cost anymore uh sort of like


like gases or any harmful pollutants or or any other sort of uh, problems for the environment but the the fact remains that our growth in appetite for energy is just too huge, that, we will still unfortunately uh cause


like, environmental problems not fully be able to protect the environment


so so firstly uh I am uh rather, like confused as to how perhaps uh recycling and deforestation uh would, would impact the energy usage but uh okay so but that isn't my my biggest source of


confusion or rather uh source of contention I think , firstly uh I think you mentioned yes europe is doing it it's no it's no secret that europe is a a leader in green technology uh they are closest to, probably net zero their their recycling rate is also uh


insanely high , but we also have to note that uh whatever these, countries do they are not net zero they they are maybe close but not none none of them are net zero let alone uh net negative, environmental impact right and in fact europe is uh hardly may not like very few countries in europe are experiencing increasing amount


increasing demand energy maybe only the less developed countries uh the regions that are facing uh immense uh region wide sort of increase in uh energy demand would definitely be asia right so, perhaps it it's better for us to look here instead so that said uh because my point is that because europe isn't net negative


they would not be able to, offset the environmental issues posed by our by asia's increase in uh, in in, in energy demand so that's the the first point so next , like uh I also do want to to touch on your point like you said that oh if let's say there is the right access to technology the right amount of funding the right amount of uh basically a lot of nice factors aligning then in that case it would be possible to


to uh protect the environment despite the increase in amount of energy I suppose uh like like like in in that case maybe it is easy to to uh, to sort of like say okay if these factors aligned like for example if that if this country has has wind or has uh sufficient amount of sunlight or even has hydroelectric dam capability then yes


uh they would be able to it would be possible for for them to, to still protect the environment while increasing their energy output but the reality is that the fact that it hasn't been done already despite all these countries uh pledging and joining the paris accord and and various other environmental stance the reason it hasn't been done yet it's likely because these factors have not aligned


for them there are a lot of factors not just of course uh money and access right there's a lot of other things as well so the fact that it hasn't been done yet, uh I would say it goes to show that uh, , our current configuration in our current configuration it's just not possible, to


to do it right it's not possible for all the factors to align so nicely for it to happen if it were it would've already happened, uh, not saying that like , that again what the work they're doing isn't good, and, isn't like at least beneficial I'm just saying that as per my initial stance I which I'm reiterating that uh


it is still not possible, uh for us to to really like or rather the the uh increase in the amount of energy is still a very big uh, like sort of uh , factor which has prevented us from doing all that we can for the environment


ya uh I guess to to answer your question for that uh in terms of whether or not like just implementing uh island wide like , sort of uh uh like like like, adoption of solar energy would that work right uh again there are


many many different factors a myriad of factors to consider as well but I would say the two most important is firstly whether or not , like the solar panels that are set up can meet uh in terms of uh this this term that we call the energy return on investment basically whether like uh the the cost of the rather the environmental cost of producing these panels which by the way aren't


aren't uh simple to produce, , shipping them all the way from china to here uh having people go down set this up basically uh wiring all the electrical configuration, uh things like that so all of these actions they have uh carbon footprint right is whether or not like uh the


, sort of like the the the the carbon offset from this solar panels is enough, to, fulfill that so uh, that's the first thing so like let's let's talk about that uh I think it it is uh from the past few weeks along in singapore is easy to see how uh erratic the weather has been I mean it has rain uh cats and dogs like essentially everyday for almost everyday for the past few weeks uh I would say the the the the solar efficiency


uh is is is really has been really bad at least like like twenty percent or so, , given the lack of uh sunlight right so many countries and uh singapore included had uh are subject to this kind of uh phenomenon in the weather, and uh whether or not and and seasonal


sort of cycles lah which is which perhaps is the reason why uh they they haven't exactly been able to, to to, fulfill uh that sort of environmental ROI but so that's that's one point another one point is also again back to the uh


the the the since your question is is why isn't being adopted right even uh so the uh the the basically a fiscal ROI or like like in terms of monetary sense uh, similarly similarly concerns , like the basically the cost of the system


it has to be more than uh, or rather has to be covered by the energy savings right so uh again because there are so many different factors to consider like uh erratic weather patterns or some rooftops uh are are may not may not be be be


may not support solar and, uh how like you know in singapore like a lot of times we like to make use of as much space as we can so if we have a rooftop maybe instead of converting it to a solar farm you might want to use it for, for for activities right for things like some people like to have barbecues on the rooftop things like that so there are many many different factors to consider uh and in terms of whether or not the uh return on investment


, works firstly whether the feasibility is there whether people , , whether people have have , use the rooftops for anything so so things like that so uh unfortunately because of these many uh concerns and also because uh uh singapore you know like we still have to import uh


like like solar panel so that's an added cost right so that that is part of the reason why and we don't have quite as much skill as perhaps china has, ya it's not we can import like uh a billion panels and, and use it right so so things like that so because of all these factors


that that would probably explain uh why it hasn't been, as widely adopted as what we


no uh I I I I supposed the advancement has two two uh prompts to it lah like one is whether or not the, the uh efficiency is, is uh advancing another is like uh its output I mean efficiency doesn't matter uh is the output on how we can get it uh scale it large enough so that the cost would


okay so he he will start first right on the first the first topic okay jackson will start first ha he's the proposition


uh it okay give me a a while


okay so I just, uh, to oppose him okay so yes I am no doubt that it has allowed more connectivity in our in our lives okay but because you know we have such easy access to connect to people


so there's a lot of things that is so it make it so simple that we don't make the effort to do things uh for example we don't make the effort to physically meet people because it's so, convenient to just use online, tools or zoom or


webex example to connect with people so we we don't make the effort to physically meet which is not, uh, we don't we don't have that kind of warmness at such as in the past so it's it probably not as fulfilling as before so sometimes ah for example within the same household for even for myself and I've heard for


from other families as well that even to get them to have a dinner, they they the room is just next door but they just had can they will just whatsapp them and say eh dinner is ready instead of going to the room to just tell them dinner is ready so it becomes very quiet in the house


with technology nobody go really go and talk and meet and talk to each other face to face it because it's so simple to just sit on the chair and just whatsapp to another person and just say oh dinner is already you don't even need to stand up from the chair go to the room to even ask just a text will do


so it's not as fulfilling as before ah because of technology


yup so uh


technology even uh during depends on certain cases of course it's good that yeah there's some cases that example grab apps that we can it's value added that you know taxi drivers don't ever need to go and find


customers just physically to go to the location to find everything is so well optimised through technology, so that is probably a a the good point , for the, yeah the


point is that for that is that's a good point for taxi drivers ya but for other, kinds of businesses that may be affected would, probably be those what kind of a like a sometimes even like account accountancy businesses they will be affected okay because there there're some things that the some of the tasks where technology can takeover them and it makes it so convenient


that that even it, yeah so it is value added for business owners but for some of the businesses probably they'll they will lose their business ah so to them their lives is slowly going down the the towards the


yup so depends on the kind of industry that you're in it either will help you to double up that you make yourself even better and even a more positive outcome for other industries it will be less fulfilling and


a less positive impact will be on it'll be a more negative impact for them ah for another industries so that we need to fill up the gap ah in between to ensure


ya there are options in certain industries like example the taxi taxi drivers that has made customers life uh more fulfilling in that sense, uh the and then again in uh other industries that such as like those uh like in because in singapore technology


has made it also expensive for all these manufacturing uh industries to survive in so that's why they have also had to move out because they're not as productive , they are more low cost and more manual so now tech technology has take over


banking it is probably make life slightly more better because you don't need to no longer have to queue up at at the banks, but however that is also the the point of where you don't get to really meet the people where sometimes especially the elder the elderly where they need that personal


touch where they need the personal understanding of for the relationship managers to understand them on that kind of certain like different kind of issues that they face cause for elderly they are so used to the face-to-face the physical the the kind of


uh direct face-to-face contact, so it has probably made these elderly people the lives less fulfilling because they they okay wait I say finish okay because they, they are not able to uh connect with them and they are also weak you know to just see so much information online it is difficult for them to fully uh comprehend all the kind of


information as and then some of the elderly are also not as educated as, some of the youngsters uh these these days ah so they are only slowly catching up at the same time when they they talk about, looking at things online they also find it difficulty because the words to them is small and they want to need somebody to clarify all their doubts they do not have this kind of access so to them life is not as fulfilling and then also when to go to a personally go down to


the banks right they to them they they need, to all these still although there's uh lesser probably lesser queues but you we can see that even though at the banks there are banks have reduced that kind of


the the kind of the they they've reduced their size their manpower so the manpower is shrunk so that increased to increased queues at the banks as well so and then but the old people still have to, go to the banks to to because they still want the face-to-face uh contact they want them people to give them answers straight away to help them to solve their problems and their doubts on the on the spot so that's why they still queue up and the problem is because of the less because of productivity of technology


they need they have less lesser staff at the bank, the old people also know they have they have also that throughout the point the problem of having to still queue up because of there's lesser manpower at the at the banks they need to queue up and they still have they they've lives is less fulfilling be due to


the the kind of this they are they are the ones that are losing out lah in in this in this technology uh technology boom, because of the lesser the manpower that that is being affected in the banks they have to queue up there and then


it's to for to them is then they they also do not have enough uh relationship managers to help them because now many RMs are having more customers is uh ratio is to one person yeah compared to previously because of technology so the losing out will be the the old elderly


yup so because of this uh example this COVID


yup even because of it because of these old people who have, they're either illiterate or they they want someone to to speak to they still despite of whether it is whether there's COVID or not they will still want to go down physically to the to the banks


to make so that they well because they have always been doing this for so many years, and you know it's hard to change our habits so when they're old it's harder for them even to change their habits and it's still and they will still prefer to physically go down to the banks whether there is COVID or not but of course if they can adapt


to and learn the technology it will be definitely better for them, to to be at home and then use the app and try to do it online (hmm)


ya if they can go down to if they can go down to the to the on and to switch on the television and to know how to navigate through the kind of ads to reach the banker of course it's a it's definitely a better idea it's a good idea for them


okay


yup actually as of now the banks is actually already twenty four seven on our fingertips but because of this uh, yeah so we need to address the problems these old people face where they're they've limited knowledge and they are fearful of technology because the their fear of


you know what if what if their accounts are being hacked that's why some elderly people they just don't want to use e-banking or the online banking uh way they they just refuse to use internet banking, on their phones or on the computers due to the fear of it being hacked because technology is like also a double-edged sword


ya so the key thing is now to find out ways of how how to overcome to uh to help these elderly people overcome their fears of using technology which could which that


so the the problem is now after overcoming that that fear of technology they need to learn how to use this technology, and how to avoid scam is because when there's technology it's even easier for hackers to now


hack into this this uh elderly people's mobile the internet banking password because they are not aware of what is the real thing and what is this what it looks what looks like scam and what is the real thing they can't differentiate


yeah so


you should talk about watching movies you knows and having to search finger movies at our fingertips it's so convenient , but then we also forget that ah is it ha is it so convenient that we really enjoy watching the movie you know our the the chairs at home is not as comfortable as watching at the movie where the that kind of


there's no distractions around you know there's nobody who's going to call you


ya so when it when it's so convenient we we we become very so called it's too convenient we become lazy we we seek different kind of, experiences so that kind of experiences will does it will it allow us to make our life even more fulfilling since it's so convenient just we rather sit on our


okay so, yeah you can do more things with productivity but our topic is is it more fulfilling is it making our lives more fulfilling when it's if when it's so productive does it feel fulfilling


it it it sometimes it can be productive but it might not be fulfilling because you feel like yeah why are you


rushing through so many things to do so many things and then ultimately at the end of the day okay you you although you watched many things your life might not feel as fulfilling because you feel rushed you feel like you need to do so many more things because it's so convenient to do things


okay so are we going to the next topic okay so I just stop


okay clap, debate topic two, the proposition maya proposition so you will start first


uh, ya with artificial intelligence okay that is having a car that can drive you back on its own it is good how however, you never know because artificial intelligence is not perfect they are created by humans and there's also there may be uh mistakes okay but it may not be so obvious but


even once more tiny mistake you know that although it has unintended consequences okay from from the actions but it can pursue such you know seemingly harmless goals and it would cause those serious


consequences because it's so tuned to follow its its goals, so if it's focused on a a goal it would just the the AI is would have to is being programmed in a sense that its uh purpose is to fulfil a goal


and what if one day there's some slight mistakes in this AI in the world have like unintended consequences ah and it could cause uh if in the worst case scenario it could even cost uh death also


yeah it may be if everything goes smoothly your programming works fine then it will be


yeah as if the system as long as if it's playing to the correct, roles that it's supposed to do if and there's anything wrong with the car and it follows the instructions if okay these parts this uh it fails on the A okay and then it's supposed to go to B okay


and it must and then the person have and the programmer needs to understand the whole scenario of there because even a a programmer is probably not a full-time driver he may not have gotten into many accidents he may not have gotten into jams so


there are also certain scenarios that the programmer may not have seen it and have not experienced it so if he did not experience it he may not even, programme it in the right way so this one slight error, could cause major impact


even though they have a team of programmer but artificial intelligence system itself ah could also have biases like when it's identify something as what it it recognised to be what if there's another form


of another form that seemingly looks something like what it's supposed to detect but is not in that form so because technology is, very sometimes it could seem very box stuck and squared and is very role-focused and it might not be as flexible as what human can react to the scenario yup


ya we can see that there's although there's technology used in like construction sites the kind of artificial intelligence level that is being used in the construction sites may not be as uh very


uh superb supreme in in our current scenario in our current AI technology is probably not yet uh capable to reach the kind of stage where you know there is really the no need for human to oversee


K we we are still there to oversee that to ensure even though technology we're we're using, the, technology to help us but we we need the humans to also oversee that yeah things are being done uh smoothly because sometimes everything in the program seems perfect


but then there could be just one unheard of scenario that could cause , that could cause uh the AI to create mistakes in although it's just a seemingly harmless uh activity or goal that it's trying to do yet it could lead to unintended ya consequences from from that from that little harmless action


yeah sometimes although it's so easy for uh for us to say that ya they just have the override button to override everything but programmes are not as easy as what we how we use it using is easy to operate


but the programming behind has a lot of complexity in it that even one slight change could affect a a big, a, a big consequence so as for example like we can see in although we don't experience it in real life we can see in it okay okay okay we can see an example in in movies you know like what age of ultron uh terminator you can see that


oh we we create such supreme artificial intelligence robots that even that one day if that's


ya so, all these are, artificial intelligence that we are that because, what, movie show is what we assume the future will seem it to be like, like in in the past we are we imagine that there's there's planes that could take us somewhere in the past ya if we imagine it but it in the end it really come true there's planes that can fly in the air carrying humans so all these are all these technology although in movies


although in the past there's no aeroplane but they could create it and make it seem like it's real and then it now in the future it is real we have planes flying in the air okay so what are the movies are portraying is what, they what is predicted that can come through in the future


so they imagine that what if one day you know they can create supreme robots with that supreme AI technology in it and just that one day it could go things that can go wrong, and this is what movies portray in the scenario in the worst case scenario that when things go wrong so


we should should also be prepared for yeah what if that one day when things go wrong it could be a disaster, to the, to humankind


oh yeah that's a good idea you but you never know one day what happens to this uh artificial I mean you can have a a manual kind of of arm okay and you can have a really a high tech supreme artificial intelligence kind of robot robotic arm


yeah it it may be possible in the, yup it might be possible if with his whole body is in vegetative state but his brain is still working and is transplanted to another robotic uh human robotic body but I'm not sure how how will will this


will have, will have he will he have full control of the of that body and how much kind of uh programmes need to be, linked up to his brain to be able to fully control that that body will he be will he feel fulfilling will will it be a danger if one day worth


the, uh one of the links gone wrong ya, could it be dangerous you know what if he feel that eh my body is is a is a robot you know I can do anything I want he could even try if he if he if he becomes a bad person of course having such a strong body would be devastating lah to to the human


so that's like the double-edged double, a, double-edged sword lah for technology if it can go if it can do so much for us it could probably be doing going for the other side and if it if worst case you know it's going to the wrong direction ya we are also double whammy on us


that okay so having although ya the the husband or the kid uh passed away and then you create (mmhmm)


yup if it's if it's a possible to to do that and it's like the the kid relive itself into another form through another robotic form so if it's if you can if it's able to grow up


with the brain of the growing child of course it is is probably be good but then the parents are probably also living in denial thinking that the child is still alive and ya


yeah


if we behave exactly uh like like a dog then it it will have to ya but the only, thing is that okay it won't get sick ya it probably could behave like like what we expect it to behave ya but we want it to behave like a normal dog but okay it's good like that's why in a


so so it's a good thing that okay we don't need to bring it to the vet, uh we we don't need to help it to to poo, ya it's the only thing so it's like what's in probably what is in the market right now that the dogs okay there are all these toy dogs for the elderly who wants them who wants to be a accompanied


ya who wants some somebody to to play with so they play with that that the toy dog but if it's, if if it's possible to create such a artificial intelligence the animal it it could it could create more more joy in them but


we don't know lah but what what, happens in the worst case scenario it could probably also uh bite them or injure them yeah so that is the another cause for the concern lah


yeah it so but AI is it and eventually it's still created by humans it's being programmed by humans ya until it is


ya so that's what that that's our belief that okay it will get better and better but and then technology it could get stronger and stronger, artificial intelligence could get even more supreme than what our normal brains could could uh help us to do


it is always it's always a


yeah I admit, it


ya even on the planes there's a auto pilot ya but even there's autopilot doesn't mean that there's no crash that's happened yeah crash still happened even though there's autopilot


the, play there there's a cost where there's always the good parts and the bad parts ah so you now need to focus on the strong points and then build on it for the artificial intelligence lah, then thank you


okay so do I press stop okay


cut debate topic three clap


(hmm) so, so does technology satisfy our wants rather than the needs so you are saying that the wants become your needs but what you really need is yeah your currently our needs have increased because of this like you know we follow this maslow hierarchy


that you know we need basic needs will be just food air water ya but we it's because that everything become so convenient that we start to make we still, think that it becomes part of our our wants become part of our needs


ya actually is our life is actually so simple we only need yeah shelter food air water and sunlight , okay uh because of this technology that it makes our lives so simple and we we think that ya our wants becomes our needs ya like our mobile phone becomes seemingly like so much of a a need to us


it because everyone is using it so our wants suddenly become our needs ya in the past they don't don't even have you know in the past like mobile phones like is not available, okay we we focus more on face-to-face uh contact yeah it it wasn't a need to have mobile phones in the past but because technology has made it so convenient that our wants becomes our needs but do we


really uh need it ya it probably, uh, but because we, like example a mobile phone it has become a need because we need it to work and because we need it for for work so that we can earn our monthly income and without this mobile phone ya we can't we can't go out there to work so it becomes our need yeah


ya because


so as of our current it of course if you talk about hundred years


ago a mobile phone was not even, it's not a need for us but in the current market that we are living in current environment that we are living in currently the mobile phone is like it's a need for us because if, we don't have a mobile phone it will affect our rice bowl it will affect


our salary yup so it affects many things without so it becomes a need in this current uh in this current times but, uh, yeah so, okay so so this this is the wants that become needs lah so how does okay then so going back to that the topic is that ya so does this modern technology satisfied our wants so at the same time more it's satisfy our needs we also have a lot of wants because it's


yup yup it I


yeah it satisfy our our wants it although it satisfy our needs it also does satisfy our wants but


but rather do we really need to even watch movie you know we we it's we don't it it's not necessary to even watch a movie okay I let let's move on let's say an example of a another topic like example uh food food production ya modern, technology has uh helped in this uh food food production like rice now we have a lot of machinery used to


to source and and to cultivate all these rice uh plantation so the kind of harvest is is a lot more faster than in the past it probably !aiya! so in the past you need ten people to go and


take the produce but now with just one machine and one person yeah that's all you need to harvest the kind of same amount of quantity, for your for your food, so it it does also help to satisfy the needs example in many other uh really uh india know africa they have big uh they are big country they have big land


and to be able to able to have technology multi-technology to create the kind of productivity to uh to get more produce for the people more food, for the people and having technology to being able to distribute food much faster to reach out to even more people it definitely helps a lot of people to fill to fill up their their needs their hunger so it it's it's does satisfy all the their needs too


ya your your want can be yup uh


yeah although you know what we need is only to eat but yes technology is able to, a allow you to create convenience to and have access to your to your needs ah, so ya what you want is food but then


it definitely made it easier for for you to to navigate to allow you to have access to your food in less in a much more convenient way so that you don't need to even leave your house to have to to get what you need to eat ya so


but we talked about like well wants but our needs is like throughout the whole we're talking about the global scale ya we can see that you know a lot of people, yeah you know that especially the less developing country or less to do


entertainment is actually a want


entertainment ah could be it's essential it could be our need but then, it did not uh it did not be it it did not, be a very big thing like you know uh, going for travel going for tours you know actually our needs are probably so simple that you can just go downstairs and talk to you know water the plants it could be a source of entertainment it could be ya you just have something to to do


uh to pass time it can be as it just a simple need it does not have to be big ones yeah


yeah it yeah but so it depends on where you stand in the in in this in the country are are you like a retiree do you need such information, is that really a a need at your current situation if you are like retired and all you need is just you know somebody accompany you you just need


some food ya shelter of your head yeah, the the needs is probably lesser, to


to the to the lower lower scale of the people but to the government to the people managing the top level of course they need to them it's it's more of a need because they need this information to ensure that it helps the


it helps the country to survive


and and that is why when such modern technology comes about there is also the kind of it it's that's why it's also technology is a double-edged sword when good news comes in ya it's positive but what if one fake news comes in


okay so uh the topic is like to satisfy our wants so playing out playing with somebody it is it does satisfy your want , but do you really need to actually play chess you know because that's yeah so we we do not really need to play chess if there's you have no physical person to play with you ya so that is a want for want someone to be able to play with you like anywhere around the world ah that that is your want yeah so it does


satisfy your want, yeah right okay, so it's not so much on like you need ya it's your need is your your basic youtube you basic stuff your food shelter and probably uh currently is a mobile phone


then in that scenario is modern technology technology will satisfy that need because if he did not have that technology he would become dementia he will become lonely or depressed so it becomes in that scenario so that modern so in that scenario it becomes


a need because modern technology helps him fulfil that need to avoid himself from becoming uh falling into dementia uh falling in uh being sick being depressed and lonely so it becomes a a need uh in that sense


ya so it it does satisfy your your wants to see but do you really even need to see to use technology to, to see (hmm) uh hold on hold on


debate topic one ah debate one debate topic one


okay <mandarin>来:lai</mandarin> uh so so I'll I'll start the question for the debate uh the topic one okay so to what extent has technology in our life uh more fulfilling actually so actually uh it made our life more productive ah for technology ah so


we can do many things at ease ah actually uh, let's let's take an example for the banks actually now we don't have to queue up in the in the bank uh to draw draw big amount of money or or your deposit you can just simply click uh in the on on our phone with a, and within a few second can just transfer the money into into the account or or take out from your account


then uh then talking about buying stocks and shares we don't have to call the remisier actually to uh to queue the the the information of for for the stock the the the which are which are the how much we going to buy what what is our target price so we can do it, solely for ourselves and also can monitor a stock market so it's as in another way like technology made made our our our our job much more easier actually in terms of the time and speed actually


but true ah actually, true but one thing I with you must uh aware that actually more people are we meet face-to-face lah more prone to human conflict and error because we are built differently actually, say uh I don't like uh example we have a family house of five let's say actually so I don't like my father-in-law example actually uh so so if let's say I'm if everyday you have to meet them him face-to-face uh don't uh you sure prone to have conflict where when you doing together so technology make the life easier that we can speak through the in a group chat actually so we don't have to meet face-to-face so we we


prevent less conflict don't you think so jay, we don't have to see each other face-to-face ya, so that's more it more minimise in term of conflict, yeah what do you think


like how, but don't don't you think things need to be improved in over a time actually in future actually ah no no people will use pen and paper write every is using technology and key in actually don't you think so jay don't you think it's a improved to be better jay


but that that that that that that's true ah jay if if even if you don't change you you'll lose out ah it will make K will make make you on the toe right so it make you more competitive right in the in the sense like technology so either you change it or or you break it actually yeah so what do you think ah jay


well let's let's talk about industry actually uh example okay taxi driver actually and a grab driver okay those days taxi have to have use wait


hot uh taxi come and drop so nowadays people don't take taxi take people take grab cause it's much more convenient we just book a, time the you know what's the car number so the car come so out uh it ultimately you force the taxi uh comfort uh to be changed to be better now they have the their own apps they cooperate with grab those things will make the world much more better so


the ultimate the benefits is us the consumer we have better better option right now, don't you think so jay


okay basically ah changes there's always have pain lah jay ya there are always like pain lah it is only the initial stage at the those who after a change adapt they they will survive and normally they will apply to prosper, okay let's take a look about banking is actually uh now actually technology make you so convenient that we don't have to really queue up okay uh number one number two we not not afraid of carry a a huge amount of money on our hand


just a fingertips actually we can know everything by the fingertips that how much we have in the balance uh how much we purchased how much we we uh so called Fei, yup it make the really everything a accounted for it I mean it's just black and white actually, so what do you think about banking in a in the in the uh in the in the IT area jay


true ah actually but you are talking about current problem our topic is technology what is technology technology is the near future so near future okay I believe in most of the people are educated okay number one they are more computer illiterate actually uh they know how to use computer uh so it's we are prepare for the future actually K


it's true that uh the current generation of the old folks they might have some difficulties uh actually, but okay in near future I I believe there won't be any banks outlets anymore okay everything will be using computers actually K one good thing about about technology just now what you mentioned the old people queue up what if let's say there's a virus COVID nineteen like now jay they still have to go down to bank no right jay they worry they get infected right actually ya


what if make in future they have this COVID twenty one or COVID twenty two jay don't you think the country make make life much more safer, what do you think jay, you think people still still go queue queue up for the bank because of the of the there's a virus around do you think people still doing that actually


right we are talking about old people uh they they might okay I I do understand ah old people take some time to adapt uh to use the apps okay uh okay but K let's say how technology help them let's talk about right now okay why don't they have this in future like this video conference actually instead of these old people going out the bank they just on the TV so this uh bank uh banker


share on the TV and teach him he or she how you use it , manually on the phone don't you think it's much more convenient save time actually save effort actually don't you think so rather than meet down the banker uh physically why don't we meet them virtually on the media actually it's the same right actually yeah just we don't have to go down queue up K uh risk of having the virus actually yeah it's it's right rough roughly the same right


even they cant go now right actually uh then maybe can teach them step by step, using the media right actually uh like uncle press this button setting uncle press that button actually uh step by step actually then the banker have a view of their phone actually uh that which button they are pressing actually


don't you think it's much more easier for them actually yeah rather than long queue ya inconvenient don't know what which time what time the bank is open actually uh then won't won't know what time the bank is closed sunday is it open or not actually with bank with the technology I can make the banking maybe two four seven yup don't you think it's much more easier actually yup


we can allocate much more efficient for manpower actually, so uh the first part of the people in the bank they work maybe eight AM to eight PM second round people from eight uh PM to eight AM they all just station in the computer screen they don't have to go down actually ya even though rain raining thunderstorm heavy rain they don't have to drive to the bank they can


in the comfort of their home teaching the guiding the end user what do you think jay, then the question is how we can make it better actually that's the question actually yeah


okay hacking is another an another problem sorry okay hacking okay is a of is something the what the bank can do actually uh how they prevent hacking but now our our problem for the old people is how they going to use the application is another story actually so we're at it issue the problem that you can get the staff K using the media to teach the so called


elderly how to use the how to use the so called uh application actually now okay now what we need to do right is that make sure that people are more confident with the technology ya that's how we can make it better actually so I believe the government already now stepping up to make it better by introducing five g so with the five g uh network I think thing will be solved easily in a fingertips actually


what do you think, what if they've already at overcome the fear then what was our next step actually


okay now we put okay now we put financial aside okay for for technology now we put uh entertainment so with technology right now nowadays like let's say having a COVID right we don't have to go down physically to a cinema we can watch netflix youtube don't you think it make the life much more better you don't want have to watch the not like those days actually we have to check the TV series


OG eight PM what what what what uh what programme we have nine PM what programme now with the with your fingertips right we can know what what what's are movie title we want to watch we can watch it with who are uh high quality don't you think is the in the in term of entertainment side make our life better


okay your your your your issue is about surrounding but surrounding is nothing to do with technology the chair you can buy a better chair the the volume you can equip a better speaker you now it's about uh how how can access to the movie easily actually ya don't you think it make it make our life much more easier to access to uh any anything actually like let's say I want to watch uh tom cruise top gun I press top gun


and it came out actually don't you think it's much more easier it's all in our fingertip


I I I don't think uh the lazy is is the word [loh] it's about how efficient the person like K if you uh true enough technology make our life very uh convenient, but it can make me us more productive so let's say I want to watch movie so let's say this movie cost around uh uh duration around two hour I don't have to spend thirty minute go to the movie theater another thirty minute come back so I instead I just finish up the two hour uh movie and do the that one hour


spare time with I have can do something much more productive don't think so jay so I can do more things with this convenient convenience


if you do more you can do more thing through technology don't you think it's very fulfilling jay K if we do can do more things with technology don't you think it's a very fulfilling don't you think so jay rather than spend the whole day just doing one small little thing you think that is a fulfilling jay


okay we we don't have to do so much thing okay let's say okay, let's say uh we can just focus on one thing but that that extra time we have right don't you think it make our more more much more we have more breather in life actually we don't have to rush to say uh oh I am late for my movie at eight PM so now right now it's already seven thirty so with a a fingertip the control I press oh the movie is on the screen I don't have to rush down all the


way met met uh traffic accident actually under the rain actually yeah don't you think is much more easier technology make our life, yup now we we press stop okay stop and and submit


okay debates, debate topic two, uh maybe nina you want to start first or I start first actually okay I start first okay okay the question is shall the advancement of artificial intelligent be a cause for concern no I don't think it will be a cause of concern for the artificial intelligence okay okay let's say sometime lah


okay you are you you are you are very drained dead actually after a long work you don't really want to bother to think about something, don't you think artificial intelligence help you do to think on your behalf let's take an example uh of this artificial intelligent thing uh is that a smart car actually !wah! after a long day of work long meeting after meeting you feel like you're dragged to drive home if it's harping uh artificial intelligence car right they can drive you straight back home safe and sound don't you think it's a it's a good idea


okay we're no we're talking about AI actually uh let's say I'm I'm a programmer actually I programmed that AI so I I I believe this this this system this this programme for the you know AI uh car right which is very very crucial very very critical it might cause life and death in just slight mistake don't don't as a programmer like me have contingency plan so


I'll I programme this programme a so if let's say this programme a fail, so you always have a contingency plan or programme b or programme b will kick in then after that programme c so that's how we make the technology better so so when the programme b kicks in right the the artificially intelligent car right


will automatic stop drive all the way to the workshop actually don't you think it's a, it's a much more better actually yup so you don't have to K talk about manual manual you drive the car if things happen the let's say the engine light on, okay don't you think you're worried you don't know what what's happening maybe the aircon spoiled coolant spoiled radiate err radiator spoiled so at least with the artificial intelligent they they automatically know what's happening actually yeah know don't you think it's much more safer ya


so less prone to accident on the road actually what do you think nina, no now I am not saying any good thing what what you it it is a problem but if if let's say you have a problem you straightaway kick in the programme b actually the emergency programme send straight to the workshop don't you think the the the whole system is much more better


okay yeah


not of of course let's say talking about AI car yeah it's usually not just one programmer the team of development as you people including programmer tester quality control actually ya then they take months on months to develop that that programme the second


uh phase that take months and months to to take it a testing actually one one one is it is it uh much more safer, what do you think nina


okay uh okay let's let's put the car aside let's look my another topic actually let's talk about uh what artificial intelligent robots actually let's say in future let's say we have artificial don't we we we we don't have uh we think that those important job or dangerous job we can leave it to them actually let them think uh think on their own say uh


construction yard actually uh carry heavy load actually uh under under hot sun or heavy rain they still can continue work so the productivity level will go up definitely actually uh then the human fatality or uh will be go going going down don't you think it's much more much more safer and better, let's talk about uh construction site actually with a in I AI uh in place actually so we don't have to think uh manually and some more computer they prone to human error actually sometimes uh the person might be uh might have this but they might overlook it uh due due due for some circumstances like maybe that day they don't feel well so might overlook it


actually yup don't you think it's much more safer actually


okay what what what what is the need if let's say okay uh you you talk so so uh prior to your to your to your question your problem right I say what if let's say I'm a programmer so I let the AI handle everything actually so what if things go wrong actually some slight problem there's an override button you can just override it why why not actually just like a a AI car


things happened in the AI car as a end user you straightaway take over the the handlebar just drive it actually, don't you think it's much more better now actually I believe they they have this uh AI car for auto parking just like uh so it'll auto park itself just set the uh the the perimeter so if things go wrong right cause sometime computer uh AI might not might overlook something so you just take over the handlebar and drive yourself


don't you think it it's much more better with some contingency plan


you are you are talking about one slight change what what what kind of slight change you have talking about actually


okay the the new what what you talking talking about is fantasy is not technology that's the two different entity eh Ngam you know why you are talking about you refer to what age of ultron is all are fantasy they they are not technology actually they are two different entity we are talking about technology actually


okay uh let's okay talk okay let's talk about another thing okay uh how uh this AI actually uh make make the life better apart from uh the all the robots okay so what what if let's say okay uh this AI let's say okay I'm a soldier I went for war #mang mang mang# so I injured actually I lost my hand


so they can in uh install this AI arm into into me okay so if more don't you think it make our life better actually ah so you can uh so in order to control the AI arm right the robotic arm right it use use using my brain actually self, control it actually yup so you don't you think it helped a lot of people who is have a physically handicapped like those who can't walk actually make their life better can walk with it actually ah now they they they start to having all this uh these technologies available in in the real world right now actually so they just install the leg the robotic legs the robotic arms actually yup


uh you don't hit yourself right uh if you lost control


just like what what if a person who who's a who who lost okay in a car accident lost the feeling of the limb he left with the just the feeling of the the head then why don't you just transplant the head to a artificial body actually at least we make his life better back again actually one, rather than lie on the bed bedridden for his life become a liability to the to the rest of family what do you think so so there's still the human control the the the the art AI actually rather than AI control the human


actually actually what what what you are talking ah you are talking about human nature nothing to do with technology uh yea what if the person go go maverick actually uh he he just create havoc it's his character nothing with technology so uh the the the thing is that actually I'm talking about how how this technology make him better not not nothing nothing talking about his character actually yeah


then also let's say uh talking about AI right uh let's say a a couple actually uh let's say uh one day a couple lost lost either one of his spouse let's say my my my my my spouse passed away so what don't you think it's a good idea have a this AI uh robot uh and look exactly like the


spouse eh give give the the companionship for the for the the husband or wife don't you think it's much more better actually rather than you feel very grieved everyday actually at least still got someone look assemble exactly the same just like the the wife or like lost a kid yeah what do you think actually yeah don't you think


rather than rather than just a robot just play press a you say a b you say b at least this artificial intelligent that for the spouse or the kids right can think of itself actually or resemble exactly the the the the character of the their their lost uh sibling and uh or or the children yeah


okay,


okay uh that that's that's uh talking about child what if let's say let's put this into a pet dog so uh this robotic dog okay uh would be with stay with them for life rather than after fifteen year the dog pass away don't we won't we feel less grief actually yeah


what do you think actually as if it look exactly same like a real dog just that it's robotic actually yeah don't you think it's a is a much more better actually yup the all all all kind of a problem was solved don't have to bring the dog to the vet actually don't have to worry their dog pass away don't worry the dog wouldn't eat actually don't worry about the dog uh bark in the night actually


what do you think at least the dog have a AI chip in it actually it it it it it behave exactly like a dog actually


okay don't you think it's good you you you save a lot money on uh visiting a vet, but like normal dog is is AI actually uh artificial intelligence it's intelligent actually just just that it's artificial


okay yup


okay uh so you are you are you are worried that the art AI gone gone bad right actually uh so as I said ya there's always a override button actually uh just in case uh thing things went wrong actually uh you can override it actually, everything might work will will or might went wrong actually even human also might went wrong so so this this is not really a concern one it is just something that we need to live live live through actually


need to face it actually we just need to make the AI much more better if we can make the AI much more better I think I don't think it's a concern, what do you think actually


different generation of human uh it'll get better and better actually uh so like may ten years ago the people uh might not as smart as, ten years later ten years later the people might not as smart as ten years in the future so I think the AI would this technology is something that it will be big getting better like a phone we used to use nokia phone (ppc) now we use smartphone so technology will getting better actually


so actually uh all these issue will be definitely will be addressed ah in near future lah by by the later uh part of the people actually yup the more we use it to the the more better the it will get actually


don't don't you think it's a it's a good thing actually don't you think it's a good thing actually yup so less prone to error actually like flying a plane we don't need pilot actually yeah actually bring up let's say pilot might still fall asleep actually in a plane or concussed or fainted or what air pressure but AI won't actually yeah don't you think it's good actually


there's hundred and one thing ah will will happen to a human but only one thing might happen to a technology actually you can make the technology better actually I think I think it's a very very good good thing like driving a car flying a plane something that (ppc) carry the human actually yeah, it is I think it's a definitely a good thing actually yeah


, but we we when we need to look at the real okay just crash but we might look at the statistics actually tell me uh crash uh for linked to human how many crash linked to the autopilot we might look at it if let's say there's only one crash linked to autopilot ten crash linked to human so you think end of day which is better actually yeah


okay okay yup thank you okay let


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three topic three okay so, does technology K satisfied our want rather than our needs actually uh I agree actually modern technology uh satisfy our wants rather than our needs we have now very easy access to movie youtube uh netflix actually uh I think actually


uh okay so K eventually our want will become our needs actually uh just like we I don't want to uh queue up in the bank but I need to queue up in the bank, so actually uh in one way and another right you do satisfied more more essential part in our life actually queuing up actually number one actually uh


uh like a book book a flight actually through our mobile phone we are okay let's say okay


actually ya what do you think actually, yup, our want or rather than our need actually, becomes need correct actually


okay, okay okay


so that this is a need right actually yeah it's not it's not a want right actually ya we need to work through using our mobile phone right actually you already, you already say say the answer of the question yeah don't you think it's a very it it's a very important need actually yeah we can't we can't we can't function without our phone actually don't you think so actually if you K what if we go out a house ah let's say you never bring your phone what you going to do


so your wait what what if let's say you go out how you go go for, work actually at eight AM but due to some bad traffic you you you you are you you are you are late for one hour so your boss try to call you but he can't reach you yeah don't know whether you come come to work or come you're or you are not coming to work so your boss will need you to meet an important client so no choice they've get a substitute to uh substitute you so but you you you you you if you have a phone with you ah with technology


just text the boss boss I'm on the way the best part is let's say you don't have to ring in with the client physically you just you just link through using the so called technology just a video conference through the client don't you think much more much more time efficient actually so it's definitely a need right actually, yup


so it affects the rice bowl affect our salary the salary and rice bowl is a needs right actually yeah


okay don't you don't you found it very fulfilling right actually uh you download the whole movie in your mobile phone rather than pay seven dollar go to the cinema watch movie you save the seven dollar so you don't you think it's very satisfy satisfying actually yeah to to you don't have to pay the money actually yeah don't you think so actually


you don't have to you don't have to get out of our place with the five g technology download the whole movie within three second actually don't even queue up and get a ticket actually yup it's so fulfilling man actually yup don't you think so


okay


okay okay


okay let let's okay let me


okay let me give you a a very very uh good example of how how technology satisfy our want and our need K I need to eat but I don't want to go down and buy food so I use what uh my phone grabfood actually so the food came actually that's my I want I want the food but I need to eat but I don't want to go down


so that's how technology satisfy our our our want actually you know you but you just are too lazy to go down actually but I need to eat but I want this food, but this I want to eat maybe a a steak but this steak uh it may be quite far away so I lazy to go down drive there queue up actually


but so the technology help to make make my want even better don't you think so


okay to to to you okay okay to to you ah actually uh entertainment is it a want or a need what what what do you think a want actually uh but but K don't don't you think uh it's monotonous they work come back sleep there's no entertainment in life


yeah is it entertaining is a essential in life what do you think actually


imagine this imagine this world right there's no news broadcasts global news broadcast you don't know what happened around the world you don't know what what the pandemic is is outbreaking then don't you don't you think it's uh don't you think all these information is essential don't you think so actually uh


if you don't if you don't know access to technology to access all these media around the world don't you think is uh all these like uh these all these all so called news is it essential don't you think so you know what's happened in the the surrounding actually you are living in such a small country you see we need to know what's happening globally actually


K we don't talk about retiree we we talk about all all level children adult and and uh elderly don't you think the in information is essential for them actually not just retiree


K you you already said the top people already need need this information oh okay or what if it can even be better than the middle level they also have this kind of information don't you think life will be better or even low low low low low level people they also can access to this kind of information don't you think it's all level actually don't you think it's important


don't you think it's it's nicer can okay don't you think it's nicer that can convert all our need into our want don't you think it's a it will be a better better idea using technology, yeah say uh I'm very boring actually right now I need a I need to play chess actually uh nobody play with me then I might as well I on the computer the computer artificial playing with me I have a very fulfilling actually a match so I can set the level so beginner intermediate or expert actually uh so let's say I expert i click on expert


so oh okay oh okay this is AI part then second part my want I want to play with people, but I don't want to play with computer but I can access to internet, okay link up with other people around the world actually in china to play with me don't you think it's become you more fulfilling actually and satisfying


actually yup don't you think it's it's satisfying


okay let's let's talk about these uh retirees actually actually it's a men mental uh daily bread actually is playing chess actually uh so


let's say uh you stay alone you retire you only alone so so imagine this thing uh he he want can convert to his need actually is a men everyday daily thing, don't you think it's good actually yeah, so at least you have someone to talk to online


yeah so I'm too free and old to go out to meet friend, so uh in the in the online I can meet friend meet spouse meet meet uh partners actually meet all kind of people actually don't you think it's it's much more satisfying


yup so it's a need right actually and a want


oh okay but what what what if let's say err I I want I want to take part in a competition in chess as a example actually so with the technology right, actually uh I don't have have to go down physically join join a tournament play with people table table I can access the the tournament


okay in in my computer and best part of this uh this uh technology things that can link to the whole world together so you can get best player uh in the whole world actually yup together so the the winning don't you think it's much more satisfying that winning the tournament in the internet rather than just a small little community in a some part of our singapore actually


don't you think so actually the time of find finding segregation eh ah shit eh !aiya! eh the shit man low power a a second eh low power ah actually !aiya!


part one debate topic one


before mine is now is after seventeen, oh okay ya ya ya, I see


medical science has been so successful that people now expect too much of it, I agree with the sentence because people are very dependent on it uh rather than be proactive in uh preventing any diseases they actually do not amend their lifestyle


but they actually depend on medical treatments drugs to, also they are also over reliance they are very complacent about it uh public belief that is their right and acceptable to rely on uh medical science to cure and prevent illnesses such as heart diseases or stroke


so they what they do is they go for regular vaccinations, checkups, as well as medical scan such as MRI and x-ray so they expect too much of it that they depend and very complacent about it


also because of the high quality and the wide variety of our medical treatments available they believe that there is a cure for everything, so they are very dependent on medical science they turn to it each time they face any hurt issues


so at the same time they take the medical science uh for granted, so is a human nature to look for higher standard of living as well as to prolong their life, so they are very reliant on uh medical breakthrough


too much from it, rather than uh being proactive and uh, been taking care of their diet and lifestyle the whereas they depend on uh medication as well as medical treatments to solve their


also due to technological advancement many medical, uh uh, treatments are available so public they expect medical miracles


so they are more demanding, and they always uh look for cures and if cure uh cure for a certain disease is not found they may question about it


very soon , so they do not expect they do not accept there is no cure for anything in the world


oh okay so I disagree with uh Saravanan because for the fact that obesity is like one of the number one is uh prevalent in many society, so gyms


part, but it also depends on diet, as well as in being very proactive, so, I believe based on the obesity facts and figures available not everyone are seeking to


are actively exercise, so for example uh let's take the COVID situation right now so rather than wearing mask or, observing personal hygiene in countries like for example america or india they rather depend people are rather depending on waiting for the vaccination to arrive maybe in the next year or so


so, in newspapers you can see uh that they are actually waiting for the vaccination to arrive in order to bring the numbers of the number of the uh COVID down, so to bring down the infections they are depending on the uh


the the vaccination, so that's why I would say that people are all reliant and they expect too much uh from it for example because due to technological advancements right many discoveries has been uh founded


so for example cancer uh that has not been a very to to cure it so people are very uh uh questioning why is there no uh cancer treatment available


so yes I believe that, uh because of the medical treatment have been so successful uh many people do not realize that it actually takes time as well as funding from


government, or large corporations to fund the, medical science so every pandemic for example COVID they are not able to find a cure or a find a vaccination so soon after it's introduced it will definitely take time as well as funding from the relevant agencies to support


uh to find a vaccination or a cure for the illnesses, so, this why public they take the medical science, uh for granted especially the ah uh lower educated people they do may not realize that uh prevention is uh better than cure and they will just


wait for the uh doctor or, anything to prescribe to them drug, as, as well as treatments to solve, as, to solve their medical issues so actually when it can be actually


prevented through diet or uh


so as to what mister Saravanan just mention that, every every family has a one diabetic, and they rely on on uh medicines, and a lot of people for cancer or anything they're also depending on uh medical uh to help them


so to diagnose a disease also medical science is needed, so people rely on the scans, for example MRI to know what is going on in their, in in their body


so meaning when a person has a diabetics but it's not cured it's a lifelong disease so they have to keep taking drugs to uh help control the situation so this itself shows that


people rely, too much on medical science to uh help, their control their health issues such as uh diabetics or, ongoing chemotherapy, for cancer


does the modern world place too much reliance on technology, I would have to agree for example during this COVID pandemic, workplaces have all shifted


shifted, to technology or home based, so meaning anything that was, , all their work that has been conducted in their workplace is still now possible, from, home so for example students who went to schools


have, now started learning from home, as well as workers they're continuing their duties, from home this is because, of technology, so


meaning to say that for example uh automation, have also been been possible is because of technology then because of technology people have relied too much on it that it has lead to problems such as uh internet addiction


where people have to go and seek help because they are increasingly addicted to internet, another a good example of, uh relying on technology would be


for example political parties have resorted to social networking uh sites such as Facebook, and Twitter, to garner support as well as to uh gets votes as well as support and also there are many diverse views shared


on uh social networking, uh sites which where


as well as on uh Twitter, or e-mails rather than picking up the phone or as well as meeting people face to face so there's very little interaction, which leads to problems such as uh poor communication uh and relation skills


so I will also say that, technology has also created new jobs such as people blogging or vlogging these are all jobs that was not was not present in the past but is now


due to technology such jobs are being created for example uh online customer support where people chat on seeking help on the uh chat instead of going to the store to get help


they now get their answers to their problems, via the uh online support, so I would say that the modern world place too much reliance on technology


so I partly agree with uh mister Saravanan saying that for example he gave an example on how we rely on post, man, to deliver our parcels, and uh anything apart from that


but at the same time, technology has replaced many other jobs for example cleaning uh machines automated machines are now used to help clean uh workplaces as well as in food court


there are instead of a person going table to table are asking what is your order for the drinks there is now like an automated machine where you just press the buttons and get the drink uh given to you, so these are examples of how technology is being employed


by workplaces as well as, as well as on technological tools


like for example even in these we're using uh web cam as well as audio recorders to help participate in such uh meetings without a face to face uh interaction, so these are examples of how we uh rely on technology uh very much


for example technology has also for example we used to have uh yellow pages which is a hard book, to get information, uh telephone numbers easily at the at our home


but right now because of technology they have also these books are really obsolete we have now we depend on Google as well as uh yellow pages, online is an example on how we rely on technology for example even to know our bus route as well as what time the bus is arriving they also depend on technology to help us in this


issue there's no more bus guides uh hardcover bus guides that taxi drivers used to carry out with them to know the routes that is also very less people are using it because of GPS


we all use this tool to help, uh, is make our life easier


okay I have to give other examples, has changed very much due to technology where people they employ technology such as uh uh sensor devices that helps track their calories as well as monitor their heart rate


but at the same time technology is useful it can also fall into uh the wrong hands for example hackers, hackers have also rely on technology uh for example during the Mumbai terrorists uh attack the bomb attack they actually use satellite phone GPS in order to to place the bomb in the hotel


so also there are many hackers that they create new technology to hack into systems as well as government sites and large corporations to steal information, so this is why people rely on technology for the good use as well as for the bad use so they it can be very useful but if you fall to the wrong hands then it can be put to a bad use but what I would like to say is


whether is for good use or bad use technology is here to stay, and uh people do rely a lot on technology especially in this current age of our digital technology to solve problems make life easier and comfortable and it has changed the way we live and work very much


correct, part three debate topic three


uh the debate topic three would be about how discoveries and inventions are used is not the concern of the scientists do you agree


in uh fame recognition monetary awards


so they are not really keen nor interested about how their inventions are being used, it also very much depends on the the how the scientists uh creations discoveries or invention


uh is being funded because whatever they invent is solely does not belong to the scientists, so many scientists are also they are not aware of how the discoveries are going to be used


in the future for example uh plastic was created by scientists to be used as a non stick for a cookware but is now plastic is widely used for many purposes including uh building materials


and in aerospace industry as well so I believe that not scientists do not are not really interested in how their discoveries and invention are being used by others, but they are more keen in getting the fame recognition the uh monetary rewards and uh and finding a breakthrough that is what their job is


so uh the intention of a scientist is usually good, uh therefore if there is a unpredictable or unforeseen outcome of their invention they should not be held liable


for the harmful usage, of their invention or discovery it should be the user who should be liable for it I believe, so the main concern of scientists would be putting their knowledge into good use and they should not be held


so they're more into creating new new inventions and breakthrough rather than uh worry about how it's going to be used that is not the job or the concern of the scientists I believe


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okay for scientists right their main duty or their job is to go into the unknown and actually discover new things that is their job so I don't believe is their job


or to to actually uh see how the uh discoveries and invention are being used for example, they they are being very creative when they go into their unknown to to find like a breakthrough or something to discovery and invention


they actually they they do not decide on how these inventions are being used and they have no control over them they are just being created for the present use and not for the future so how these uh discoveries and invention are used in the future or


they all uh people have found other ways to use their invention legally or illegally the scientists would not know at the point when he is creating something because he's only creating for that particular


uh period and not for the future, so many scientists are being blamed before for some other inventions that they've created in the past where people have now found a new use to it so I believe it's actually the blame should be


should be uh put entirely on the users the the end end user and not the person who actually created or invented such discoveries, but at the same time the scientists can actually communicate to the public


on the ethical as well as the social responsibility to others although they have no control over them what they can do is actually uh communicate the ethical ways to use their discoveries and invention


but at the same time but if if this falls into their fears, then there is no use for anything because people are still going to find ways to uh to to to modify the original invention and use it to their convenience


so for example I would say this invention discoveries is like a double edge sword because the scientists do not have, uh most control about their usage of their discoveries or how it's being used so many of


at times the blame has been shifted to the scientists instead of the end user who has wrongly use the invention , and and cost


meaning when they are creating new invention they cannot be like foreseeing the future so by worrying about unnecessary uh precautions and everything their creative mindset is being affected I believe


okay so a scientist right do not, actually start a discovery or invention on their own if there is a need and they are being funded by large corporations as well as the government then they would start to invent uh new


uh anything new so I'll believe that these discoveries and invention are not owned by the scientists but to whoever that funded them, so if there is any misuse or harm or if it falls into the wrong hands then the blame should go to those who have


who have actually asked to create such a invention as well as those who actually misuse it so the scientists usually leave it up to the society to decide, how their discoveries are being used they are focused on just on their work and they would rather not be distracted by unnecessary factors such as how it's falling into the wrong hands and how it's being used is not the concern of the scientists their job is just to be


creating based on the need as well as what people are seeking from it for example corporations and government, whatever that instructions are that is the duty of the scientists to come up with a invention and discovery


but not worrying about how it's being used


debate topic one medical science


okay so I disagree with the the statement because I if everybody is uh over reliant on uh medical science then we do not have to have a lot of uh these, uh wellness centres uh exercise centres gyms and all that because if everything can be done with medical uh science then we do not need to exercise


uh we can just slack around we just sit around we do whatever we want we can eat whatever we want uh but doctors do still advise people even though they are giving uh medications and all that, they asking people to do their own exercises and all that so medicine alone or any advancements in uh medical science is not uh enough to actually uh


give us humans a better life so it's not a substitution it's just an alternative kind of uh, treatment or something like that so we do we have to do our part if you want to have a healthy lifestyle so I disagree with the statement so this is my point because


everywhere now you see a lot of people are doing their own forms of exercises there are a lot of different different uh types of for now we call it zumba we got a lot of different types of uh dance classes coming up, uh every now and then we see uh suddenly we hear some new names uh popping up for new kind of invention for new kind of a form of exercise uh everybody is doing yoga every everybody everybody seems to be doing some kind of activity that you know it's going to help them keep fit


uh look after their diet and all that, so uh even when we buy groceries and all that a lot of people are too dependent you know they're they are not dependent on medicine they're dependent on their own research and all that by looking at the healthier life uh choice healthier food organic foods and uh such things so


uh this is my point to disagree that, uh we are over reliant on uh medical science


okay okay uh to answer this uh like obesity and all that uh a very good example is our NS system be in NS we have this program called uh BMT and all that during the BMT uh obese


uh guys uh, classified under one cluster and they uh asked to go for an extended period of training to reduce their weight and all that so if uh like we say if you are too dependent on uh medical science and all that the army does not need to uh go through this uh strenuous


activities and put through the guys through all these uh, extra training extra period of workout and all that to reduce their weight we can just go for some kind of uh medical treatment, uh to make them lose weight to make them fit and uh they can just go for the next uh phase of training like uh combat training and all that they don't have don't have to waste their extra time in uh losing their weight because actually we are being in singapore we need a lot of manpower and all that that's why we doing NS in the first place


so instead of wasting time losing weight and all that we can actually uh use medical advancements if it's so good and uh lose their weight and then they can start, uh, giving more time to combat fighting and all that so this itself proves that uh medical advancement is not that advanced for us to be too relax on certain things like obesity and all that we do have to do extra training and all that to be in shape so for example like uh


uh, uh the uh cancer and all that, COVID is a good example, uh in nineteen eighteen there was uh that was the most severe pandemic in human history and it's almost the same uh the way it spreads to another human being and all that is exactly the same as now COVID nineteen but


from then up to now it's so many years later but we are not advanced in any way for us to you know I I mean if you are so advanced if you have been prepared, uh we know that there was such a big disaster over five hundred million people were infected uh we don't have to worry about another uh


uh pandemic and all that we don't have to be in this uh, uh lock down and all that this entire period of COVID nineteen has changed the entire world uh how it works and all that so this is a good example that no matter how we how much we grow


there's something that is always much uh more than our growth which is bigger than our growth that we can't uh comprehend and then uh combat it immediately if our advancement in medical science was so good we don't have to worry about any of such pandemics in in the moment the pandemic comes


we can actually uh stop the pandemic from uh spreading around, but that's not the case now we are still thinking that uh we are we are still told that, the COVID nineteen can last for another uh one year or two years the same exactly that happened in nineteen eighteen it lasted for two years two months from uh february nineteen eighteen to april nineteen twenty so this is a good example that


even though it's hundred years since the last pandemic we have not grown much in terms of this I think they're just telling uh, uh, ourselves that we have grown so much but in fact we have not grown so much


okay in that sense uh I do agree with you but if let's say we need, time err to get a vaccination for such pandemics and all that and err funding needs to be done and all that when we look at all these uh pandemics


it's just a matter of time before some kind of uh vaccination, uh is produced so but when we're talking about cancer when we're talking about HIV and all that this has been uh around for, you know I think uh unknown to men I mean since the day men was born I think such diseases are around I mean uh cancer has been around I think from the day one HIV maybe later on but


up to now we do not have a vaccination or any type of treatment that can cure a human being completely of cancer completely of HIV and all that, there is no advancement no matter how many years we have passed there's no advancement in a


, modern science to prove that uh there is some kind of treatment to err stop all these kinds of things altogether oh we don't even have to talk about cancer and HIV a very common problem among human beings is diabetes, uh if you look at the diabetes treatment diabetic all diabetic patients they have to go through a lifelong medications until until they die some have to go through a vaccination and all that they have to take a daily jab


but, uh, uh diabetic from becoming worse but it's not going to cure the person from uh diabetic whereas uh apart from medical science ancient science when you're talking about ancient science everywhere in china india they have their own form of traditional medication uh traditional treatment which has uh


uh, been proven scientifically that it can actually help a lot of uh diseases known to mankind but for some reasons, we are not uh encouraged to go for that treatment when actually modern science modern medication uh does not help us we're not encouraged to go for traditional treatment uh we do not know why but my point is if we have


uh such an advancement we don't have to suffer with cancer we don't have to suffer with HIV uh diabetic is type two diabetic is very common in the world right now, and almost uh everyone we know have an at least one family member has diabetes but up to now there is no cure they have to take medications uh for lifelong till the day that they die so this is a very good example that


medical science has not, uh, actually evolve, if actually if you look at history I mean with all these diseases that has been around for so long so many years uh by now we should have some kind of treatment to actually uh cure all these things but no we are not so in my point we have not grown a lot maybe we've grown a bit but not a lot definitely


uh part two debate topic two


ya understand


okay uh, with respects to that uh, I do not believe that uh, uh, we rely too much on technology because there are a lot of still a lot of things that uh we have to do on our own for example when we talk about election yes uh they are garnering support through the uh online portals and all that but at the end of the day what matters most is our work


uh to determine who comes into power and all that so in uh for example just recently we had our own our own elections we do not do any kind of electronic uh voting system we still have to do the marking on a piece of paper and then we have to uh drop it on to the ballot box


so I mean some countries are adopting this kind of things but in singapore uh it's a good point to prove that we are not dependent on uh technology alone because , uh we when we are doing it manually and all that this proves that uh we still need to have some kind of a human touch to certain things because where it matters most a lot of things can go wrong when we depend on technology so


the uh election was a good example when we talk about uh other examples we have this a good example is car car park gantry system uh if you noticed that a lot of almost all car park in singapore we have this gantry there, uh whereby it's a automated system but


if it's uh we if we are uh really dependent on uh technology so much we do not have to have a person manning this system there's actually a button there for you for us to press if we face any problem and all that uh to uh talk to someone uh is who is stationed at this particular uh


uh, uh control centre to assist us uh for our problem like let's say our cash card is stuck or the gantry is not opening so, if we are too dependent on uh technology we don't have to have that human uh, uh


actually uh sitting down there and uh, helping us you see uh at the end of the day the technology alone is not enough on certain things like where if our uh cash card is stuck only the human can uh help us to you know retrieve the card back


if the gantry is not opening up technology is not going to help us open the gantry we have to contact a human being, and that human being has to do something if uh maybe have to come down uh personally and do some manual repair and then open up the barriers so that is another good example that uh


uh we need uh, a a human touch to certain things another good example is uh, uh if you realize now we're talking that almost everything is technology but, we do have a lot of uh delivery options all that but if you look at it even during this pandemic period where we are saying that try not to have a lot of interactions with uh people outside from your own uh home and all that


we we our deliveries are still done by postman who is a human being uh when we take ninja van the ninja van delivery guys are human beings when we take qoo ten deliveries they also humans no no none of them are using like uh this


drone to drop the uh, uh, uh parcels or anything because at the end of the day technology can go very wrong so they are still you know I mean we're still using no matter what where which kind of situation we are we need the human being to do all this stuff


uh, for one another so for example the postman he has to go manually to collect all our parcels he has sort them out according to the uh different blocks and all that and he has to come door to door to deliver to us, so if if like they say that we are too dependent on technology then let's say in this kind of pandemic period why are we not using


uh uh technology advanced form of technology to do the delivery we can have a cyborg now saying they have cyborgs and all that maybe we don't have to look at a drone delivery we can look at the cyborg delivery or we can have a humanoid, uh, uh kind of thing to do the delivery for us but


but, that's not happening and maybe it's not going to happen uh, in the near future as well it might take another maybe about a hundred years to get a full uh kind of thing so at this moment of time I would say that they are not, uh very dependent on uh


technology as of yet


okay uh I partially agree with miss #fong lai# as well but, uh, uh like she said uh we have a lot of uh, uh, new places I mean new things like uh the robot uh, uh, collecting our place and all that but


at the end of the day when we look at certain uh key features like security features and all that, for that we are not dependent on uh technology we still have to rely on our own uh, uh human beings because for good example will be our customs checkpoint every checkpoint uh it's not


controlled by uh robots or it's not controlled by technology they do use technology but at the end of the day uh they can actually when you go through uh, uh, woodlands checkpoint to go to malaysia they do the uh they it's a CISCO uh and uh


uh, uh ICA members who are doing the car check and all that even though they have this X-ray system they do not uh push all cars to this this at the end of the day, they still have to do uh check manually in the cars and all that because uh when they rely on technology alone


there can be a lot of uh errors because computer is has to be programmed so when we program it to do A it is only going to do A it's not going to do B, and it's not going to do C so if you program it otherwise it's gonna do otherwise so technology is only determined by how it's programmed but we humans


we are taught a lot of a lot of different things what to look out for what to do uh so when we do the inspection manually when we use uh the officers to do the check, they will not be only looking at a pinpoint program thing to do look out for


they will actually look at when they go all out they will actually actually kind of like rip rip off all the car everything they will take out the seats the covers they'll open up all the compartments even they will look under the car mats and all that to see whether there's anything so a lot of times we do uh


err, see reports that uh you know smugglers have been caught and all that none of them uh actually was caught with technology alone at the end of the day it was the officers why because they spotted the uh smuggler behaving uh oddly or differently it all these uh needs a human uh


uh to actually uh, uh closely monitor the first uh smugglers expressions and all that technology alone is not going to do that because when technology is programmed to look out for is going to actually maybe if let's say I'm not a smuggler but I'm just a panicky type of person


it's going to determine me or put me under the suspect list that I'm a smuggler because it's programmed in such a way but whereas if it's an officer who stationed there , they are taught to look at body languages they are taught to look at humans uh and determine whether they are smugglers I mean because everybody can be panic uh get panic at times so they are trained to look look out for certain symptoms


that uh gives away whether it's a smuggler whether it's a normal human being I mean normal person who's just uh panic, with the situation or frightened about the situation and all that so this is a very good example that we are not too dependent on technology


uh okay but uh with regards to miss #fong lai# uh points when we talk about terrorism and all that uh a good example will be uh, uh, bomb detectors and all that, uh


at the current uh way terrorism is going, you know we are saying terrorists evolve terrorism has evolved uh multifold they do not rely on technology alone because there are bomb detectors that actually can detect bombs but they only can detect bombs that have magnetic uh properties in them any bomb that has rubber properties they are not


able to detect that that kind of bombs we have to use uh humans to do that a very good example is our I mean when we are in the NS when we go through NS and all that, we will know all these I personally have gone through NS training for bombs and all that so at the end of the day we do we can't use detectors to uh scan the area for rubber bombs and all that we have to do a manual search another good example is uh no matter how uh much we depend on technology like land mines uh


uh, there I mean there was famous uh cases in Vietnam and all that there were a lot of booby traps and landmines, uh there are still a lot of such landmines in uh southeast asia but that has not been detected yet at the end of the day we can't use any uh technology to do that we still have to use humans we have to use the uh uh property called uh mine prodder to actually poke the earth


uh on an elevated uh way to see whether there are any land mines there we have to do it slowly and then we have to mark out the area and all that so all these are highly dangerous, activity so if we are so much uh reliant on technology and we are talking so much about human life and all that we do not have to deploy soldiers to go and do this kind of job we can just deploy a robotic uh


uh, err man-made uh mini vehicle or something like that to go and detonate the bombs no but that can't be done , uh because one thing is cost, another thing is the technology that is involved in it that's uh that's an issue so we still have to deploy humans to go and do this kind of thing so at the end of the day this is a good example that we are not too dependent on technology another good example when we say


uh, technology has uh, err, people are so much dependent on technology that, we have a lot of problems now we have a lot of uh anxiety problem a lot of uh, impatient people going around because of technology and all that but at the end of the day we cannot forget that


the people who actually uh, uh, bring these so called addicts out of their addiction are also humans, so that humans are not addicts uh to technology they are not addicted to technology they are not rely on technology that's the reason why they can actually be in a position


to help someone who is addicted by this technology and all that or affected by technology to bring them out of the situation so if we we are dependent on technology why don't we can't we just create a humanoid put it there to help uh


uh, another human addict to come out of this situations no we still need a human being to do all these activities so this is my point to prove that uh we are not much reliant on technology


part three debate topic three


okay uh thank you but uh for example uh with what miss Kamala said where if the scientists is uh only solely uh, uh, uh wanting the nobel peace prize or, some kind of a monetary rewards and such things if you are looking at the scientists who only who wants to get the noble


prize the nobel prize itself is named as nobel peace prize I mean err it's something that is done to help human beings uh life uh become better and all that so if he was not concerned I mean if he wanted to aim to get the nobel prize


under any category he has to make sure that he's concerned about his uh inventory or his uh findings and all that because he has to determine uh what, it is going to do how it's going to help, , humans or how it's going to help shape the world how it's going to aid in a particular thing that is designed for he needs together all this information to make sure that he's a


of, invention actually makes, the intended purpose of his creation so, that itself is a good example that uh the scientists has to actually bother about uh his invention or discovery like for another example if he's only in uh interested in their monetary part of it yes we can say that people uh


funding this kind of uh, research and all that but at the end of the day if, a particular scientist is uh interested in monetary that itself explains that, he is after money he is not going to uh just right uh settle on the


particular sum of money, so if he can earn ten million dollars


uh, his invention or discovery, and it uh hits the market running and it's a it's a very uh popular product or something or popular discovery or something like that, then almost everyone who needs it is going to buy it there is no end to his uh earnings so when we're talking about monetary things when someone is interested in money I don't think they're going to settle for just a particular sum of money that is going to come from a sponsor or research if they can


do if they can do a product and uh, send it out to the world where the mass is going to uh, uh be interested in it and purchase it then there is no way he's going to stop at just a particular amount of money so this itself is a good example that the scientists has to bother about his uh findings he has to bother about his creation


so there are a lot of other examples uh when we are talking about uh moral values I mean at the end of the day, we have to talk about moral values because the finding that a scientist has uh, done or research or creation that he has done whether it's going to affect the world we are not only talking about whether it's going to how is going to help


the world we have to see whether it's going to affect the world at at a larger scale if it's going to be a danger to, uh mankind, if it's going to be danger to all lives on earth so is the scientist going to further his research is he going to uh


uh, release his findings to the world so he has to take into consideration all these he has to find out what it's going to do a good example would be a a man named alfred nobel, he was the one who uh, uh invented dynamite the reason for inventing dynamites was actually uh for creating uh tunnels and all that blasting the area for creating tunnels and all that but


at the current world it's not only use for that if you look at uh worldwide terrorism and all that a lot of dynamites are used in uh terrorist attacks uh all over the world so if the scientists had bothered uh to look at a larger picture


maybe he would have done it in a different manner or maybe he would have not invented that, uh altogether because of uh this kind of uh, thinks another good example is the uh atomic bomb america used atomic bomb to end uh japanese uh