yeah like I say if if you are you are performing the diligent in in uh, , of course you have your point but ah when when I spoke about the company that your loyalty to if your due diligent is always there and when you are being selected ah do you


think do you think you are you you have a well worth diligent towards that company or or what you'll have I, actually uh contributed when you are selected I think you you will have that , the mindset will be different


ya for me for me I will I was like to conclude that due diligence is never a key to the success what we need to do is ensure that we are in the safe zone and uh not really need to be a performing diligent


because when you are being selected diligent will will


okay debate topic three consider the view that


debate topic three consider the view that efficient uh government is more important than democracy


, maverick you are breaking


I I I miss your section leh can you can you talk about the the front part, I only heard you say you consider the view that efficient government is more important


efficient government is more important okay for my view I felt that it's not really so


, right now, I I don't see much efficient one around my corner, and err a lot of time, I'm be inside this area where I never met any government people uh


round before so so so is always a, !wow! they are planned and every, now now now people are always following the path to understand uh I mean the path to make sure that they are not uh being targeted


so that they will make sure they will followed the efficient government eh uh follow the government way and path so that everybody make this thing efficient, right so so for me you you will have


uh you you it's not open where what are the things uh planned and committed would, which has already done okay like like talking about we come back into the same topic about cycling a'ah and uh


the government have a plan right where when is the plan going to, to actually , , fulfill when , I'm travelling in east coast ah, there's a lot of rider that is going very high speed


when children are also at the east coast this east coast is a place for, family gathering but is there any efficient government that have decided to do something about separating the course where there's a children uh cyclist rather than


both uh adult amateur professional are all in the same path okay so so they may said that, uh their plan like, do you have a plan before in order to block the uh for PMD


this plan never say before you know it's a last-minute kick-in thing so this show that they are efficient ah, where they don't do any uh uh any planning or any announcement to to ensured, so so


so effective if effective efficient government always make a a move that doesn't need to consider the


so-called , or the the area okay they don't consider a feeling of what the person own a PMD because those people that are using PMD


are for what what reason are more for, the food delivery can I know if you ban all this food delivery and uh you'd okay ban this system for this uh services do uh, how many people will be affected and why why why are they not having a consideration before they put in this cart


immediate okay doing, yup done and uh if you consider that uh efficient will pay a good part why are so many unhappy people gathering to have that uh session with the the person that uh and uh so-called


put on this block or this rule and many are actually feeding family and they're making this, a a very bad uh situation for them in order to continue their loan or some are taking a instalment and if they don't have a income and now they have to


so-called , stop using that and we have to push, from only park connector, that is able to use on a PMD and the rest is you have to void imagine you ordered a food you want it to be arrive fast or you want it to arrive slow


so so my my take is, this this type of uh efficient , move will make a lot of unhappiness which I felt is is not really uh uh I mean uh


for me I felt that uh if you you do do not need such a efficiency ah, you need to consider slowly in order to make it a win-win, rather than a win and lose so you you you make people


uh unhappy hor


no I disagree with that efficiency why don't you consider building a a path that is suitable for all PMD to to to travel and separate this, okay you separate these as long as you put all those uh cyclist uh to the to the I mean the fast lane one will do do you have you been to a a country where they they the cyclists are actually the


prioritise personnel to travel on a road rather than a car, so so in singapore although talk about, here we in in our country here , uh we we we have the we don't have a carrier connection that is able to link the whole island and uh for us wherever we you can cycle towards a a connector it will stop at somewhere where you need to push


it it is it's sound more reason it it can be efficient then why don't you set some, thing that can actually uh you can you can plan for a route that can help all those uh affected person


then I would say that the view is good that efficient government is important


uh I have okay as I as you say I I'm sorry for that the the cases that PMD knocked down the person and and caused the


what about if there's a, car, hit a motorbike will will that car ban on the road, or they have a park connector that can link and push the car until it's safety then it's stopped, it why don't why don't they ban the car


if let's say err, the err, the what's that the the the accident is I mean the government is efficient, so for me, this is not just one topic about that and ya we we understand they are efficient you saying that they're efficient if they're efficient why don't


why don't they come out uh a good planning to calm down those uh angry personnel, by paying that uh, compensation ah you you know one e-bike can be uh seven hundred and they're just taking less than twenty percent of the price and compensating in in in pass uh e-bike is actually uh uh


transport that is able to be on the road and also on the on the pavement and they actually kick-in a law saying uh you need to have a register LTA and you need to put on , the helmet in order to travel for both so I


I change you know I changed from e-bike to a e-scooter , then when e-scooter was handy easy to travel maneuver around, the next law come in already ban, okay so so ah now I have to end up ah recycle my bicycle until the the condition that is good for me to travel around so


if a efficient government yes they blocked things fast they block and uh but they must think of the next uh way in order to calm the situation where to make the people happier


so my my view is uh I still felt that you should listen to what we say, and ah, we we we we people may come out better view, to to for you all to consider


I hazard ah


okay


ya but but for for east coast park I still find that they need to have a separate lane for the children and also for the profession because if if if they really efficient they should send people to go and monitor the situation


you you can you can you can travel down to understand it well, I myself one day I can tell already the the the hazard and danger, is coming soon where there's a high peak of uh people buying lots of bicycle lately so uh my take is uh if you are really saying that efficient government is more important than why are the the the situation not settle


and not look in ah not looking after, and uh this will also cause hazard, ya thanks


okay mine no blank


ah so I can continue on the opposition, moderator


so I hear you uh to wide stand the education can actually improve the lives of people it yeah no doubt that it actually allows or, or could use as a entry ticket


uh for jobs if let's say we are talking on the context of ah singapore yes , for overseas wise uh for those are on the, uh perhaps the third world country or under developed country


uh yes I would agreed with a fully that education definitely can improve the life of people's but if you are talking on the context of singapore itself for or even japan or korea those uh more advanced country


or rather more developed country uh , uh I beg to differ because now everybody if you can throw a stone out in the in the in the in the, in the streets, and if people could potentially be a degree holder or even a master degree


but let's look at right now, even if you hold a degree it doesn't guarantee you uh, to a good job, perhaps it can lend you a job but I will not say that they can lend you a good jobs a good job meaning my definition of good job here is that it could lend you a good


four K five K six K job, it could just potentially lend you a, uh I will not, uh I I was, try to I I cannot think of any other other vocabulary I would say that it could perhaps lend you a miserable starting pay and you need to work really hard


to climb up the ladder or or even to increase just a hundred dollars or two hundred dollars in years to come, so that's what uh, personally I feel, uh that what education could help us


in today society for developed country like singapore japan or even korea and then uh improve the life, I don't think it can, it helps to improve the life but it definitely an entry tickets to


to lend you a a contract job, or to even , uh you know, give you, certain jobs because right now, for singapore itself ah no for developed country itself


, for diploma holders they can also do the same kind of job, as what degree holder also can do so, that's my own points of view lah


as to whether it improved no I don't I don't agreed to that extent I agreed to a near of very small extent it just a entry so back to where I started off uh I also share about uh, uh under developed or under developed country


yes definitely education can improve their life, uh but not for the context of singapore, so this is my stand of view for topic one back to moderator


okay uh from what I hear uh what when they have shared on the social aspect social aspect okay I don't I don't I I I again I would like to uh, beg to differ on the on the uh


on the health aspects and on the on the riot aspect so for the health aspect wise uh for those more advanced country like singapore US korea japan uh yes the literacy rate is high


but if you look at certain reports that uh the insurance company has been uh showing is that , with with the highest the highest uh death, alright uh still coming from those are


a cancer, or or those uh, cancer can it be it can be lung cancer any form of cancer is still on the highest rate so what are these actually uh shows it doesn't it it does not equate that if you have a high literacy means that you know


automatically we we we will have we we could help to lower the uh the, the disease oh sorry no the cancer rate itself, right, so this is this is what I personal feel because


despite that we have a high literacy rate, we are still seeing uh people are still you know !aiya!, for social for social norms they still go ahead and smoke, if they'd see their friends smoke if


why just smoke lah, so they will just go ahead and you know act on what they feel and not act on, what they are educate about, so this could be a social norms so yes we know that eating a lot


and by not eating in moderation we could have the uh diabetes we could have you know gain weight and become obese and remain it all the , medical checkup, and all these come in cause it's not as it they don't know


they have received high education but you can see the obesity level still increase year by years especially in the US, uh even for country like singapore you can see for the primary school levels the secondary school levels, it is on the rise you see every time every year uh the school will still need to send many students


, to the turf club programme, so it, they are well educated they have definitely gone through the health promotion programme but still, it doesn't seems really


really like improve their health their their health itself, so this is what I, feel and see on the health aspect so, uh back and then back to on the ratio uh the ratio the ratio aspect itself


I suppose US, also considered one of the highest uh literacy rates, but it's that but it seems like, riots ya, and you can see that the riots is still ongoing on and off


if they, feel that it's a need, through, have their voice you know made known, they will just go ahead just like hong kong, because of the conflict that is ongoing


I suppose don't go on the streets for riots, definitely they're educated, so it does not means that if you have received a higher highest education you received good education, you don't go for riots and that actually


back to what the our topic today is, is it really improving the life, or is the other way round we are not, we don't it it if, it is not a definite certain that education, can improve the life of people that's what


uh I see it from, this perspective itself hong kong, you, US yes you can say that singapore to date that is no uh riots, but, we still can feed keyboard


so the only platform they have is the hong lim park for them to voice out their grievances their unhappiness and for that even to happen they even need to apply for a permit to to have even a a so call riot at hong hong Hong-Lim park


so so singapore doesn't have riots doesn't mean they do not wish to hold a riots to have their voices heard there're many platform to nowadays, right so no I don't uh agreed to a large extent I agreed only to a small extent that years of education improve the life but that's not the definite for all so just nice is we meet the timing


okay uh, , no longer necessary ah so from what I hear from wendy , yes, I agreed to a small extent once again why because if let's say we're talking in singapore context on


some employees they will they will relies on or perhaps uh take notice ah eh I've been working for this, company


for many many many years, and then uh suddenly there is some, new , employees perhaps working for maybe like two years or one years, and opposed to another employees have worked but maybe like five to six years


this employee would uh perhaps feel that eh the company announced we have an opening for a senior role alright


but, this employee who had worked for many years five to six years, was then, informed in the meeting, that oh, the new employees who had worked for only two years are promoted


so that puzzled him, why why why am I not the one being promoted experience I have, the number of years with the company I am, even longer, and during all appraiser every year of appraiser


I always got excellence or perhaps even exceed their expectation but why am I not the one, getting promoted simple, the organisation, uh then reviewed and shared with him


because they need somebody to lead, and somebody with a, a good credentials, so that puzzled him what do you mean by good credentials, so after much discussion with his own peers with his own friends maybe what the organisation meant by credentials is education a a certification


so, yes it may not necessarily bring you to great success but that could be a deterrence of a leading you to a promotion


and some new entry with with the qualification and perhaps just worked for two years and have uh maybe good some good good record get promoted, and faster to climb up the corporate ladder as opposed to one who may only stop at a certain education level despite them having the necessary experience the despite them having the necessary skill sets so no


I feel that uh they may need to upgrade and get the necessary certification or even qualification , then, the company will perhaps consider them, for promotions


or for certain roles or open them for certain roles, their available in the organization otherwise, they can wait, until their neck like a giraffe they may not get that promotion at all, ya so that's


uh what I you know, personally feel, and what I have been reading in newspapers or or even in forums that many employee, share are sharing what they are what they are going through and then


sometimes, you can see uh for for foreign talent for foreign talent, they may carry that kind of foreign branding, they


they they have this foreign branding, that they can just come in, and take over the role, and that's and that's and that's and that's it


perhaps I'll be waiting I'm the one maybe waiting oh yeah now got opening already I can actually, uh waiting for HR waiting for my uh superiors to, to to to review or to announce that I can get promoted


but, a foreign talent branding can just, dropped from from nowhere and took on the role, despite that he may only have that little experience perhaps uh


uh just a little bit, more education or certification, they may not be even degree holder you know just that they have this and that certifications, that may seem, open and close inverted let may seem relevance to the role to get it


so that's what and how I said it lah, ya maybe back to when did anything that you may want to debate or uh you know debate on my point, or


perhaps even agree you want to agree on the opposition side or you have something that you may want to add on


uh, I again I beg to differ because, , uh no doubts many company they will claim again open and on open and close inverted commas they yes they clean when they review a a a potential candidates or a potential employee for promotion or for uh certain bigger roles


they will they will claim that they will view or review it as a holistic, or uh view uh reviewed it at the holistically, but, do they no I don't think so because I, uh from what I have been readings from what I have been uh seeing personally or readings from uh reliable sources


many have feedback that still, uh employers, uh, today and we are talking today you know they are still, rank, education


certification, as the as a top priority, yes they do consider what ethics I never doubt about that they do consider, uh but then but that is not their


uh utmost , uh consideration or priority when comes to promotion when comes to , uh bigger roles or even sent for oversea trainings or even sent for oversea to host a certain roles no


the first of four because you if that that role require you to lead a team of four or a team of five, so they need somebody to able to command that role, and to make the team members feel


that !ow!, this person who is going to lead me , must have a certain capability must have a certain qualifications otherwise, why should I have a superior, of a lower


superiority to lead me, if your if your qualification even lower than me, why why should listen to you or why should I even you know take instruction from you, so given on these thoughts


in many organisation, uh that would actually, usually be the deterrent factor, for them to you know promote employee of a lower


education's qualification, ya tap already ya so, this is what personally I feel, that it is important and it's paramount importance


uh, uh to have, to have, good educate uh to have strong credentials in education for example, in a sharing in singapore context ah you can see that a lot of our a lot of our


private, company, or I I will not term that as company lah private institution are opening one after another, like coupla lah !wow! open then you can see !wow! another uh


private institution open, one after another why, because it's very lucrative, many people will understand that education, to them personally they feel that that is the key or a milestone


that they must have, it's a must have they they do they have this, must have mentality, if I never get certain, certification then


I would not even have that ticket, on get a taste of success, so, from this you can see that it easily you can tell that !wow! uh this open uh one uh institution open


yes we can see that there are a few closure but that doesn't you see even there's closure, many companies are still many in private institution are still wanting to come to singapore to open, because they know, they know that singaporean they have this mentality that the the key to success is education


so and many sales people in the education line why they why they can work for very long, because they know that their sales number will never go down will only go up, because many people will definitely go to these sales people eh I want to sign up for this program !hey! I want to sign up for that programme !hey! you know


why these sales people don't even need to give source for leads source for people, the people will come to them naturally and tell them that !hey! do you have opening, when is the opening when is opening for the school term I want to sign up


do did does your institutions is still provide this private certification or not they are the one automatically come to them, and sign up the program


is it since like if let's say there's no additional points, I think, yeah that's basically my friend, it is education is important


okay I can only agreed to really really very small extent why because uh yes I agreed that not many people are, uh are very inclined to study


but and then again, when we talk about, inclined, I only agreed for if you are telling me that uh from, medicine student yes


I know for that I agreed that uh not tom dick or harry, can apply or even can enter the medicine, school, ya that I agreed but how many are they actually, uh


in the eh in the medicine school, every year NT NUS itself is only having a very small intake perhaps forty to fifty students and that yes I I I agreed that they are very education inclined


yes but then, that forty to fifty out of a whole million of our singaporeans out there, then what about the rest, they still need to have that uh that


so called of basic, education the basic here on referring to the at the the bare minimum degree to even, looking at promotion, for somebody who who they deem respectable that they can take under their


their their their umbrella, under their umbrella, if you're not somebody there was a degree holder then if you those under him are even more educated they will feel unjustifiable why why are you even my


my superior in the first place are you really that capable they would doubt their capability and they do more than not they do not wish to follow him or her, no I don't want to be under your belt


ya experience no doubt but don't the one who is of less experienced but of more educated get promoted they will tell their, their subordinates, so what if you have a lot of experience, or experience can can gain


can be gained but if you don't, quickly and get your certification, then, you cannot be as what I am of today to get promoted if which which what that organization value if not why I why am I the one being promoted


and why you are not the one being promoted right and this is actually something that we can think about and thank you so much we have ended, just nice


alright thumbs up and one, clap, the solution to the problem of crime, is education discussed


okay uh no I beg to differ because okay let's compare ah you see back in the early, nineties, or eighties where, education or literacy rate is very low


in, compared to today in this current environment where you can throw a stone anybody can be a degree or even a master degree holder, it, doesn't seem the crime rate has, dropped drastically


despite, education level has improved tremendously over the years over the fifty five of singapore independent, so, so if you were to say that, uh the solution


to uh to any crime, is education I I I, I don't uh agreed, because if you can see on you can read on newspaper everyday


okay you can see that there's many crimes and look again, people were the headline will be something like oh this NUS professor has just blah blah blah blah has just blah blah blah again uh wait let me reiterate again NUS professor


ha not, the qualification of education is not high is very high but still despite knowing that, you know, or obtaining such high education definitely they must have they must already have that basic knowledge of not committing to subscribe but they still did


so it doesn't mean that you are a professor you are a doctorate you you know, you, will not commit the crime, crime must still committed, and we are see that on the increasing trend just on a month just just like last month itself


reading on newspaper I can see that there many many many many , crimes increase, and many are, NUS or what NTU, even for other country you know you can see that


uh this professor of certain university molested a certain students, and they are, there are in a certain profession themselves and they are still acting on the crime


right so, if we were to use education to justify that we will not commit crime and using that as a solution to lower crime rate, I don't think it will works, it


you you you see so education uh may education is important for us to know certain things to gain the relevant knowledge, but that is not a equation of or rather a solution to lowest down the crime it can let us know we can have we can obtain that we can obtain that knowledge through education but


knowing is one thing, whether you will do and act on it is another thing because we don't forget that, we may or may not be you know get influence, by other parties peer pressure, by other ah by other parties you see ah I can be a very educated person but because of peer pressure


I can, actually you know, act, on the crime itself, because sometimes the act of a crime is out of impulsive, it does it doesn't relate is is not co-relation to, to education itself to knowledge yourself you know you have that knowledge if you


but, it does it is not it has no co-relation for you to act or to not to act it may be an it may be a, , a a moment of impulse that you act on the crime uh because your friends say okay lah do lah eh your friend will say eh just do lah why scared you have that education but because of the peer pressure because of that impulsiveness you act or you acted on the crime


and for ya, ya, ya I tap already so, so many a times there are other factors that actually , you know


will propels us to act on the crime itself, so it's not just you know, oh you know you we need to you need to get educated and then you don't, you don't act on the crime no, it it doesn't work this way


there are a lot of factors contributing to to to to the crime itself there are a lot of contributing factors and more than not if you were to read the newspaper you will realise eh no leh,


this this person or that person acting on the crime, are quite, highly educated one you know, they are not poorly educated so from there you can sort of have a sense that, crime itself, has no relation or zero co-relation to


to education itself, because today when you open up a newspaper when you read somebody committing a crime, it can be somebody of highly educated it can be somebody of lowly educated it can be somebody of moderately educated, so


yeah it's just like anybody out there, who want to Makan it doesn't coexist or correlation to whether how high or how low you're educated, wendy what's your thoughts on, my my views


slowly think no hurry, because I also need time to think


, as to education can let them be better in form and understand the impact, of committing crime yes I agreed but, acting as a solution to lower down the crime no I begged to differ why because yes


do you think that a professor who molested the the child or molested the student, have never thought that that, committing this crime, potentially if found out could landed him in the jail terms do you think that the professor doesn't aware of the of of all the consequences he is fully aware but he's still committing the crime why


there, that are many factors for him, or her to commit the crime, despite that they know the consequences and recently we also have, have, uh drone flying through you know trying to transmit drugs to singapore


!wah! he can use the drone eh and he is also quite highly educated, then again we think when while read while reading the newspaper that kick me ponder, keep me thinking why, eh he doesn't know that


drugs you know and that is not normal drugs and this kind of drugs can potentially I will not use potentially could landed you in what terms or not not jail terms you know death sentences, they don't know meh they know, but they are still acting on it why


on one key factor the lucrative of money, because of money, you know propels them, to do something like to do this kind of risky act


so and, this happen in this year twenty twenty, so even in this year where the literacy rate is almost hitting a good eighty five to ninety percent compared in the past in the in the in the nineties or in the eighties


they still, many people are still acting on this risky act and it's it's on the rise and I can foresee that it will go, up, like our electricity bill it will not go down any sooner yes it could reduce a little but


the statistics have shown it is still increasing on a steadily rate, so if it's if we if we were to use the word steadily rate means it's still on the rise, is not is not is not coming down, it will


the incidents will deter people from doing so maybe like, , one month two month when the news is over when the whole drama is over people will, perhaps forget about it and then


start to do risky things again, committing certain crimes shoplifting molesting or or you know transmitting of drugs they will start doing all over again, why, or or or or perhaps even think of some illegal things to do


and I must said, yeah and I must ya tap ready and I must say ah, this people, they are still, I will they they they they definitely are very intelligent people


for example, uh many of our government agency website are being hacked, and do you know that to even, a government agency website are very highly secured and they are able to hack what does this mean you know


that means they must have the intelligent level I tell you ah for me ah for what I feel and what I see a thief, or a hacker ah, they must be very intelligent you know, and they must have received high education


to even to do all this crime, so, it's very contracting that if you were to say that the solution or to lower the crime rate is education no, you see those hacker, they must be very intelligent


and they must have received some basic education through youtube what what's whatever means that you can think of that they were receiving those kind of education, they are and must, be that intelligent, to act on the crime itself do you think people like you and me can go and hack the government agency website just like that


no I don't think so and I don't think we have the capability, or even capable to do so, to read even the java programming things we need certain education we need certains background, to even to go into that


without so I doubt we can we can suka suka and just hacked like that I don't think so and for a thief, to plan a massive, crime or just just illustrating on one example ah uh recently there's one very hot drama one very popular drama what uh what


heist ah, I can't I can't pronounce HEIST, ya ya from that, you can see so many season of that, do you think if you want to commit such a big crime to get such a big sum of money is so easy you need a lot of planning and you know


, and do you think they are all very and do you think all this people received little to no education they receive and some are and and if you can if and you will to watch that drama, the person who is the planner, is a professor eh !hey!


we are talking about who, professor you know, so and if you say that the solution to the problem of crime is education is really really for me, I will feel that, it's it's a it's a it's it's a big joke


so I don't think that, education is really really the the the the kind of solution that we are talking here, for for, to use that as being an education but if you were to say that to use that as an


an a a a tools, a tools, to to, let people gain the knowledge that, there are consequences yes lah perhaps lah at least at least we did something at least we do something and not sitting there and sitting on the fence and do nothing


if they are getting caught it's not that they are not smart enough, it it just that they willing to take the risk and yes thank you so much we ended


oh part one the debate topic one


oh okay can so , to what extent can education improved a life of people I agree like because education like equips us with like the basic knowledge and under


standing of how like the world works then like from languages science history and even cultural differences are like providing us like a broader perspective in uh in doing things like we which we can help like people to improve their lives


yeah and mainly in three different aspect of life are like economic socially and environmentally lah


having the right technical skill uh for the right job like so increasing it increases our opportunities to get a job man like comparing one with education and one without education, the one quick and easy assessment for like for recruiters to look for the right candidates for this particular job it's like the to first uh go through their resume and qualification that they hope so like the qualification


that a candidate holds like shows uh how uh shows the recruiter that he or she has has the basic or specific hard skill that the job required yeah which we cannot deny that this is the very first like very uh the first important step


uh of filtering done, ya to save time and uh and more efficient way lah so as progress to the next stage of hiring which is uh this is how to stand out in a pool of candidates yeah


also , for fund after getting like hired like with a source of incomes like things get easier people can at least like settle their own basic necessities or with better still if they


have like spare cash like because they are now educated like they know like how money should be spent and how should be invested they can further like uh grow their money or further indulge into better food and better lifestyle


yeah this is how education improve people's life, ya then, a fundamental education like also help to boost like literacy rate, like also help to uh help with the country's economic growth lah like in the real world that we faced a lot of many uh low income countries around the world one of the main reasons uh is due to like the lack of education like skills and


work experience so if a developed countries like, can provide a proper education to help a citizen making a living then everyone will have uh have a better chance of employment then with higher employment rate then of course the country's GPD GDP will also increase


ya that's how like it improves the in a a countries like economically


then


so like because just now I covered like economically so but uh


uh now I will move on to like the socially ah so like I think education like spreads awareness like better understanding doing like prevention also so like


for example like health then it's like quite important aspect for living better lives so with education we better like we'll have better knowledge and understanding of how a body works and how to have like healthier life


like example like like what type of fruits or what type of vegetables like provided what kind of uh vitamins that we need like what food is good for us and what exercise can bring good to our bodies yeah, then


it also like help us like can prevent ourselves from like called , the cost of certain illness like for example we know that like uh it's harmful to uh smoke like smoking that uh smoking can bring us like harms so like giving us like higher chance of lung cancer health uh heart attack deformities


to a babies and all that, so with prior knowledge we can like prevent ourselves from lending into such a bad situation, and like further improve ours health lah, so other than physical health like mental health also like uh


it's also like some practice also like one one may to practise new skill and, like is to freshen our mind so like one way to practise new skills such as like new languages uh learning a new language helped us to build like a stronger memories lower the risk of dementia yeah


so only with good health then we can improve our lives and, that's what uh education can bring us to yeah so another example that like uh education like spread awareness like uh for example like uh generals stereotyping like can be reduced with the help of education like for example like


racial discrimination has always been an issue for all, countries uh whether like past or now like causing like uh, chaos uh so the main like this is mainly due to like lack of understanding of other races so like for example in singapore like after a serious uh racial riot


uh it happen so like causing like a lot of economic and social damages to the country like the government like realised the, importance of a racial harmony so uh other than enforcing strict rules when the racial harmony like is being jeopardised like one of the constant effort made by government is to instill this knowledge from young where different like


different races from uh attending same school interacting and communicating like with each other using the same language which is which is english so like uh celebrating each other a special occasion giving us better knowledge and understand


understanding of uh other races so like with communicating and, with this education like we have better understanding like not just blindly follow uh the the stereotyping which will bring the society down so


then we understand each other conflicts like reduce and then we can like reduced greatly on the economic and social damages so when this expenses uh expenses can be uh utilised to other channels instead


for example like uh improving infrastructures or serve like as a reserve when the country encounter like big hit just like uh this uh COVID


so uh this is how like the government also can have where we reduce this damages are then it improve the lives of people


gaining confidence I think when we have the skill and knowledge we can be certain of what we are doing so as we have the basis to refer and is not out of nowhere like being


uh wrong and give us the logic and scientific reasoning behind our decision making so like uncertainty is one of the main key reason like people are not confident, so uh when we gain confidence so like maybe we can like uh received like where where we gains a


certain in like when you are certain in your work of field and then you gain confidence when you receive recognition from your managers then the managers also have the confidence that you had you can excel in your current role and give you her higher responsibility and roles


and then like therefore like increases your chance of promoting and received better pay so like to improve your, uh your lives yeah


part two debate topic two


I agree that having like uh education is no longer necessary for success, like the usual or process of like uh education is like passing out of school followed by college and taking some post graduation course ah


for all technical like vocation training so this is this is so so that like people can uh find a suitable job and then make a career and settle down so uh it is not it is true that uh like education is the key but it's not


necessary success like success uh depends on an individual capacity to use the his talent like a creativity in the most effective way lah, even if like you are uneducated like you have uh received very very little uh education but uh you can achieve greater success in life by putting your skills in right place and right time so uh


actually because like the college also doesn't like teach you how to think like education because like the academic settings like train student to succeed in the pacific and control like settings in a artificial environment ah


so uh when we meet like people of different opinion and lifestyle who challenges your thinking in new ways like, yeah uh, you might not know how to like uh tackle or something


ya other than like going to school received like the standard education like we can like through social uh we can how to say ah


I I think it's also important that one have the required social skills that can able to communicate with people when you are uh in doubts so like uh


even if you are the most intelligent people uh like you cannot even like if you can't talk to people then it means nothing so uh education give you like the scale you need to advance in the world but it doesn't


know how to portray your knowledge to others then it won't bring you to your like success


but is like no doubt that like education does gave like higher chance lah but then that's not


the only that's not the end to that so like even after like getting higher then like also need to see the performance after that ya so uh other than performance then like work ethics also plays a big part that what a company is also seeing like


uh, not just uh certification ya so uh, like having like if we prove ourselves like to uh having like uh managed to have a good uh performance good work ethics uh the capabilities I think like one day like this also will be seen like by the company so ya


but that's like is for the corporate world what a corporate world uh like how to say the success in corporate world like what one also might not be academically like inclined so like they can be like talented in like uh acting singing dancing uh drawing


yup so like these skills requires like talents uh and skills like there there's no like relation to education, so ya having like these talents like passion uh perseverance in doing what you believe also like have no relation to education so with all these like talent passion and perseverance then we can


push direct to succeed like we cannot like half uh stop halfway ya, doing then it it doesn't consider uh succeed successful also ya


but experience like experience is the person like really have the good experiences in this work of field then it's like something respectable ah


yeah I think uh I agree that the solution to the problem of crime is education, for example education has always uh been the most effective way to combat like adversity rather than like harsh like strengthening the laws to prevent people from making mistakes no we can encourage them to be uh more productive uh members of the society like by providing them the


right education and training so with a education people are like more rationale so it can like, instill like new thinking and mindset of an individual, so I it like individuals are able to analyse and co-relate the impact of their current decision action and the future so this informs like them whether to undertake or forgo the action that will have like a severe repercussions in the future


uh yeah including like action of like a a criminal mature, so it's also like a reason, behind like employability ah so like when a person is like educated so like they have like they not only know that aware of the social norms and choices they are also like likely to see the possibility of a better life


and being employed having ability to purchase items like prevent them the need and, desire to steal so this also like reduces and prevent like crime so ya then education also like uh expose like people individual to what they think of life and outlook towards life


like uh, to have like positive to promote positive thinking and reduce crime yeah that can shape their character and intellect ya


because during the first three years of the children time they develop their like cognitive and behavioural traits like many have uh the threshold for their future personality trait so like uh children like learn skills


to regard like how to tackle, problems and confrontation like during this period, like this uh then a place to learn how to control their, emotions and help the child to like channel their frustrated uh frustration and negative and energy


yeah so uh so like, that's how like education helped to helps the children like to have a better a positive thinking way and then reducing uh crime when they grow up ya


but how to say having like those educated people like commit committing crimes like it's just like


uh I would say like uh, it helps to like uh it's already like uh reduce kind of like uh of the crime that is like happen for example like


how to say ah uh, at least with uh education like people with the spending power then they will like uh like certain crimes can be like reduced


uh more uh versus like a previous lah for the past, yup so , I think like for example when like a crime like happened so like we also need to have that education to outdo


these like criminals or something that we have like people to bring them into justice like prevent them from continuing like committing crimes so like like education like in criminal psychology like studies like the views and thoughts and intentions actions of the criminals


ya then and also like forensic science to solve like uh administration like justice to like, uh to help to uh, have a wide range of scientific examination


like they uh how to say okay then, yeah so uh, ya with this like education in law also like help us to like shape better and like rationale law system so that can bring like them to justice


under the law ya so ya, so like this will serve like a deterrent to people to committing crimes yeah when they know that they have a higher chance to get caught or what is the consequences behind


how money


ya but


but if they are getting caught does it shows like they're not smart enough we need like we help more like their


okay K


hi uh today we are going to discuss about the medical science has been so successful that people now expect


too much of it yes I do agree uh with this point because nowadays uh advances in medical science have provided cures too many disease, and good health is now taken for granted by many individuals who actually mistakenly believe that undergoing uh the medication or medical procedures can replace healthy lifestyle


so actually the increase uh frequency of lifestyle related, uh such as diabetes high blood pressure high cholesterol and insomnia globally suggests that people could be neglecting on their health intentionally


so when they actually can lower the risk of getting these disease uh through healthy lifestyle changes, then on the assumption such as uh illness can be keep under control through medical treatments


K so actually all this point right uh people, can actually prevent, uh by depending on so much of the medication, like they can through the maybe uh eat healthy then uh do a lot of exercise then rest well so all these uh disease actually can uh can be prevent


okay I do agree with this uh COVID-nineteen but because just that the uh actually why the human can like , uh have the disease it's due to their


the weak immune system so if uh the during the normal lifestyle if they did not maintain uh the good diet and they ignore all these and they just


they just like do however they want then maybe the , is uh quite easy to get the disease , yeah, like this COVID-nineteen situation so for those people who actually uh have the disease right then maybe is due to their


, we uh immune system


okay so because actually I do a research, uh like about a half of the


am I like about one hundred seventy million of american adults , they are actually on the medication for preventable uh disease such as uh diabetes or high cholesterol and according to research uh conducted by health research firm


on the number uh for the americans increased by and uh the percentage , around eighty five percent, uh from two point four million to five point four million a year


so uh that is the increase in the number of uh people who actually did not take care of their health and uh caused the issue


so no need to submit first right continue right, okay, yeah because just now I thought is


now is how many minutes oh okay


maybe can talk about the plastic surgery one, ya, about the medical advancement


uh yes actually I do agree with uh what is irene is addressing but because actually for the, because people like want to uh have more confidence


so they actually go for the maybe do some of the minor uh surgery to become better or on the appearance so , but if like let's say too much on depends on uh those medical advancement technology to to to to change the appearance I think is not


I think they need to love their uh how, is original looks like lah, instead of like depends on so much of the, like all these medical advancement


part two debate topic two, okay okay


okay uh hi today we uh need to discuss about does the modern work uh


place too much reliance on technology uh yes I actually do agree uh on this point cause nowadays like technology so advancement and everyone like has uh must have the facebook account or maybe instagram account


and wechat or whatsapp to to communicate through instead of uh go out to, meet up with friends so due to all these like advanced technology uh it actually become the situation whereby there is like


poor communication and relational skills because if we use like, through all this application to communicate then we cannot really see how


how does the uh people react or how that's their reaction through all this advanced technology uh application


yes actually uh if we are talking about the COVID-nineteen I do agree with your point because like most of the business they actually use like zoom or microsoft teams to to communicate with their uh co-workers


so maybe this is, it's like a part of the like uh technology that uh cannot people cannot uh leave with, without having these uh technology because yeah it is actually a tools to communicate


okay so uh actually what I'm trying to say is like if let's say uh if does not have these COVID-nineteen uh situation, and uh if like how to say like the social lifestyle if if is possible then uh I think it's better to like go out to to to meet up so that we can at least


like face to face uh and see each other, and uh like how to say , at least can can see face to face then, uh we can understand each other more


yeah eh you are talking about the the like reliance, on the normal lifestyle actually, I I do agree with you because uh like most of the time like uh handphone


oh awesome handphone our ipad cannot we cannot live without handphone or ipad so basically like what you say uh is actually , is more on like each of the


like those apps, is actually very helpful to us lah in in the in the sense of uh we cannot live without the pathology lah, so ng ba actually is are we to reliable on the tag is actually at the expense


source of our environment like for example, in the if people usually I use a lot of them form right then maybe on the radiation uh in my uh of fake human brand


there was like due to like over usage of the cellphone so he might cause the the cancer, in in this way lah if let's say people usually do uh the usage of the handphone is very huge then uh and also ya may cause the radiation


I do agree we've actually advanced technology can help, like people to to save a lot of like time or uh convenience


for human usage in the sense like, all these like because uh there is so many invention on a various of the, technology uh applications to help people actually uh have a easier life but I think yes


I I do agree with that lah


okay so basically nowadays we don't have this without have these uh technology advancement


uh I think the whole world well have the issue uh in running the business or maybe the economy uh probably have uh uh big impact on the yeah on the entire world


but just uh I was thinking because in uh china, some most of the people that actually uh use like the cashless bank in, instead of use like the uh the the money to to to make payment so if this this situation is like uh maybe it might be the trend uh for future


but I mean like uh the real money uh will it, upset the value because seems like the cashless uh bank transfer is so convenient , , but the value of the money will eat actually causes the


cause anything as in it might affect the, the value of the money if you want like everyone is go by the cashless payment


yes yeah


okay, no I press the, submit me to submit right


okay


K today the third, topic where are you are going to discuss about how discoveries and inventions are used is not the concern of the scientists uh actually I do agree on this point also because uh


probably if you are talking about the , the scientists that actually they they invent something, uh actually scientist are the one who, actually creating the inventions but they do not have any


financial power over it so actually is up to, better who purchase the works of the scientists uh to use it so, maybe I give an example uh like the atomic bombing of the japanese uh city Hiroshima and Nagasaki by america as an attempt


to stop uh world war too so no, one actually had uh expected the negative side effects of the nuclear uh radiation from the autonomy bombs, and should the scientists bear the responsibilities although they were not the one who using it


okay, so okay because basically yes


I I agree uh it was obviously but because uh for scientists uh


is alike evade stopped uh very subjective uh is very difficult for scientists to listen uh right from wrong or to take into account everyone's opinions


so therefore uh ethics regarding how these uh invention at discoveries are use should not be the concern of the scientists, tho it should be a concern for those who are actually hire the scientist to to to invent something they they should be the one who who responsible about either


, okay so basically it's actually, uh depends on how the end user uh have like actually how they actually used


the the products that uh the scientists uh is invented lah so basically you if let's say, actually scientists only aim to understand the the inner world or solve a problem so for example if scientists uh


they invent the begun to actually want to save their country for being uh attack so but if let's say the scientists or invent the gun but for those are people they wan a gun and


to to to to, to start a war then the the intention of the scientist who actually invent for this is actually being uh misused by the the people who actually do something back that


is not uh I mean say scientist beast also cannot control how the people actually use their product, and they scientists also cannot uh prevent all this happening


okay so is actually depends on like how the people who actually use the the products that the scientist invent so


uh like these scientists is actually also very hard to prevent all this happening so , ya so basically because there is a lot so if


a scientists can invent and discovery something good and the end user earn has , uh use all these product uh without like being uh doing the the illegal thing I think as long as there is no


like you said in in such a way that uh they go and do some illegal, issue then uh I think it should be it should find I mean yeah


okay but if let's say uh for like scientist they, invent something actually is maybe uh instructed by the like one of the financial party who actually uh advise them to (ppc) to invent something


but I think is it because scientists they they do have the financial power so basically they they may just like, do uh whatever the the financial party has instructed them to to do so and then


so as a scientist they they stay in the laboratory and, , I can say like they allison the instruction from the financial uh party to to do whatever uh product they are inventing so if let's say uh like those uh party they they ask scientist


to do something bad and if things happen then uh as in, not to say like I do something is if the the product cost some of the issue then uh the responsibility should falls on the the party who actually in shop this time piece do do instead of blaming the the fault on scientists


debate topic one


ah yes that's why I think but the thing is recently I think there's uh new medication that actually can help to replace a lot of, things like uh tired uh like supplements example if you do not eat uh enough of these certain vitamins right uh like vitamin d from the sun you can


uh actually have two supplements to actually , uh to comprehend your whole diet lah] so actually medication I think is quite important also because uh some of the food that we eat right do not necessarily have all the nutrients and everything so uh supplements like


uh vitamin multi vitamins uh would actually help to maintain our diet uh even like uh for lack of sunlight vitamin D right uh you can actually get from the supplements instead of going to


uh, under the sun just for the vitamin, then for the recent uh COVID uh nineteen cases I think uh the vaccine is still not out yet so actually uh but I think our with the advancement in our medical technology we should be able to find a vaccine soon


oh for where I know right uh the COVID nineteen they did not choose their victims so actually you can be perfectly healthy but you can still get caught the disease , just like uh actually from those very healthy foreign workers to those old folks ah it actually it can happen to anybody so I don't think it's something to do with the immune system


for uh cases like this lah, but I think uh the medical, uh advancement already help in our society now in the sense that a lot of things we cannot uh uh approved by the uh we cannot improve our diet we can actually use supplement to comprehend the whole thing ah


yeah, and also with the antibiotics and vaccines already is like making uh people hear easily and is like making the death rate lower lah it's like last time uh in the past right when you caught a disease core TV right they will lose cease that one you will be bound to


uh die and everything but the thing is like now with advancements in technology right you can actually recover if you take the medications ah


for this point definitely because of the lifestyle they are leading right this would, happen to them or the disease but without the advancement in uh medication right, if this happen right just they really did not take care of their health and their forsake but without the advancement in technology then they will be able to recover so I think the


advancement in medical technology is still very important , because when it happen already right nobody can reverse the situation so at least the medication will help them to move on


my one also no timing


oh okay yeah okay uh then I think with the advancement of technology at least we have, hope, or finding a vaccine for the COVID nineteen now is out I mean actually for the whole world right , now, what it matters most is we come with a vaccines so the medical advancement is really important at this critical part of time is like whoever who developed the vaccine is actually king because without the vaccine ah people will continue to die


and we cannot do anything about it our life or forever be stuck like that is like life will never never be back to normal again so I really hope that with the advisory medical technology , we are able to find a vaccine soon this would


help to heal the world and save many people from dying, that's why I still need to continue to talk for rest of the seven minutes alone ah


but, Ting you talk about the plastic surgery one, can, the anesthetic one


or else anesthetic also can ah okay can no problem okay then okay with the okay nowadays right there are a lot of girls right where we have, willing willing to throw our money to make ourself look pretty there are so many anesthetics uh boutique coming out right a lot of girls we're going for a nose job


and everything lah then you can actually, put filler on your face , to make your uh, your, cheeks more defy uh jaw bone higher and also have a more defined nose uh actually a lot of people say that is actually side effects to these things lah like the filler and everything lah


but from my research I actually all these right uh the figure is as long as I think it last about how how long ah , about six to one year it actually depends on how much they inject on your nose but for what I know there is no


downtime or actually side effect lah so is like after one year later right after your injection right the worst thing you can get is your nose would be back to normal lah it won't be so high uh so defined and everything lah but uh it


it won't actually cause your nose to be crooked or what lah unlike the past uh previous years those surgery where you need to actually insert something into your nose that one you cannot even fall down or bang to lamp post , or else your nose will be crooked that kind of thing lah


so now is like not so scary like you can actually, be more comfortable with yourself even after you do the nose job and actually you can look good and but the problem about this filler thing ah is actually is really very costly as compared to going under the knife because when you go under the knife right you just need to


pay once and for all but for this filler thing right, you need to continue to maintain like every year you need to take uh one jab, uh to continue the six months to uh one year then is like you can't stop because once you stop already your nose will be back to usual and


uh this actually affect a lot of girls uh because psychological [loh] why she already accept uh uh I mean you already get used to like how you look with the uh more defined nose, uh more defined features so actually when uh the all these are taken away from you right you you start to feel very insecure so when you feel insecure right


you will try to find the money to continue like uh to continued this type of lifestyle lah so in a way is bad also because it can be costly in the long run so actually I think that before you actually, start right uh you must be like really mentally prepared that are you going to do this for the rest of your life so if you are not prepared to do this for the rest of your life right


it maybe like better for you to like, think of going under the knife even though going under the knife would have a lot of downtown a lot of side effects but with the advancement of technology I guess now is actually not that dangerous as in the past lah so going and to uh under the knife would be another option to


because once and for all it will solve your problem because, once you go through a surgery right is in reverse server even though you want to change back to how you look in the past right you can't then you gotta live with your new face, so actually is like everything is like two sided lor there's pros and cons lah depends on what you want to do with your life lah


but a lot of people say that actually uh without going through this it will actually okay because as long as you feel good about yourself you can accept yourself for who you are you actually don't need to go through like so much problems like just to


get a look that is approved by everyone, after all at the end of the day what matters is you accept yourself for who you are and you are confident about who and what you are cause if you are not comfortable with who and what you are even though you go through all those surgery those anesthetic uh


procedures uh end up, you will not be happy also if, at the end of the day you still think that yeah maybe I have a prettier face or what but uh inside your heart you still feel like yeah you that's still not enough lah is like there's this hole that you can never refill up so at the end of the day I still think that it's best to be yourself


but, I myself do not uh, uh do not condemn or, and against those anaesthetic or plastic surgery in fact I'm uh one of those that is considering about it but because due to the high costs and a long term


uh commitment still hesitating maybe in the future I will consider if is uh more affordable because uh as the demand increase right and maybe uh it's become more common then uh I believe uh the cost would actually


go down uh so that more people can uh afford this ah, that's what I think lah, uh then uh with the advance of technology I think there will be more uh more vendors also then maybe uh they will improve to the extent that the duration can last longer like instead of maybe six months to one year


the nose job maybe can last for two or three years or maybe five years that would even be better because, you don't need to keep uh going to the lab to get a jab and uh, uh, you don't need to worry so much ah about the cost as you don't need to pay so many times lah


that's what I think lah about plastic surgery


uh debate topic two, debate topic two


okay in a way I think you make sense ah because of the modern world , uh technology are we having now actually rely a lot of uh on technology but technology is important in our daily lives to uh example in the case of this COVID-nineteen without technology all of us will be losing our job because imagine we cannot work from home and now the only way of working is


they communicating from home so without technology we still need to go to the office and situation like that especially in a phase one where we are really restricted so imagine without technology right uh everything cannot function and I think a lot of firms who actually closed down and


I don't think we can even communicate to each other because we cannot even reach other now but uh totally no contact especially during the phase one ah so you imagine if without technology right uh humans who actually lose contact in terms of an emergency


, events like these which none of us can actually predict


I I get your point you mean actually like is more, social involvement nowadays right ya okay but uh actually technology does, pros and cons like what you say right yeah human contacts very important but even before the COVID-nineteen right technology has really helped us in our daily life or like now is a lot of things can be done through technology imagine like even exercise all these you also need technology because like if you


go running right uh we need the running app also because without the running app right we won't had we won't even know, how how how much is the distant that we run ah is like there's no way we can know the, uh distance uh that we actually run without using the running apps and with those like uh running app sure you can actually see the calories burn uh


and the distance that you run so actually uh there's even good those go settings ah like tracking ah and you if you you can enable uh like how to say uh customized to your needs like uh you want to, how you want to train that is different type of like


running activities and like they they each even have a guide ah yeah so it's like this really help us also in terms of like even if you want to run outdoors in the nature technologies still helps lah then also, uh technology also help in a sense that even though like like what you said lah if you want to go traveling ah we were when you go travelling your friends or what right you also need the GPS apps ah the google map everything so that uh everything can be more clear lah is like


everything will be like, more precise and you won't be lost because uh all can be seen in the apps lah so actually all these apps right, uh really uh it's very important to our daily life actually basically is built in released right no matter we uh we agree or we deny right we cannot actually deny the effect that uh technology has been integrated into our daily life


, to the extent that basically we cannot live without technology in a lot of sense ah because we have been too reliable, on a technology line not only in terms of communication even like in terms of like uh our exercising routine our travel even uh like waiting for the bus you also will see like how long the bus come we also need the app uh and


furthermore now with COVID situation right if you go anywhere you also need to actually scan in to prove that you have been there after you still need to scan now then I think the government even develop those tracking device right, where they actually can track where you are uh but I think the tracking device is put in the sense that is still managed to keep a lot of things confidential is like they only track or your location but they won't be able to track your conversation


or what you are doing lah and from what I know right uh these all all these will be keep in government bank or what so that your your personal information right it won't be leak out, so there won't be a breach of uh privacy to ask also uh all this also is


based on technology so I think uh even before after the COVID situation right we subconsciously have already depend a lot of technology already so it's like, uh at our modern asia is something that we can actually we can't live without technology lah not only because of the virus but with the virus right we can actually see that technology is so important to us lah because regarding the past right


I never really realised uh like mean take things for granted never realise that how technology is so important to us, until uh this COVID thing actually happen then I realize that !wow! actually without technology a lot of things cannot be done leh actually how technology saved us from so many things lah that's why I think ah


yeah four cases like that before also but no matter what uh everything that I I think there's two sides to it so actually yeah uh technology to pose a certain threat lah but I think is very limited as in the advantages of technology uh improvement in technology is definitely uh


the advantages definitely outweighing the disadvantages because, uh technology have really streamline our life in a lot of sense like it's like now everything is so convenient, even though you, go to a restaurant you don't actually a lot of restaurants they actually you don't need to wait uh for people take down your order they actually have ipad somewhat and any fast food restaurant right instead of like going through the long queue now that actually streamline the process that you can actually can order from the machine and just pay with your card lah so


and it's actually saved a lot of time a lot of waiting time ah, all this time can be put into better use lah like, instead of queuing there you can actually get your food faster and sit down faster with your loved ones then you can actually have more time with them eating together while instead of spending the time queuing lah so in a way it actually save us a lot of times a lot of convenience and


we it makes our life a lot easier


ya so actually uh technology uh pose threats and also bring comfort to us lah so actually is both ways uh depends on how you see it lah so is in a sense like maybe if you see a pose threat you ascend it because it has been


so uh actually technology have been so uh advanced to the extent that especially during now right our work can be taken over by others also, is like uh from other country they can do our work also because,


is telecommunicating mah yeah hello, yes yes I can hear you can you hear me, yeah yeah yeah hello hello I can hear you


yeah I can hear you, hello hello hello, yeah I can hear you can you hear me hello, hello hello hello


yeah hi I'm here yeah we can hear you


ya so actually, is also there's two sides lah, like disadvantages and advantages ah disadvantages is like our job can be taken or over by people from different country also because everything is by telecommunicating


but advantages is because of this technology we are still able to keep their businesses running and keep our job without these technology right business all have to close down because if you go to the office right how are you going to run your clients payroll how are you going to do there


, work and you will lose all your client and actually not only uh, I think without these telecommunicating thing right not only your company I think the clients company will also go close down then the world will be in chaos also actually I think the advancement in technology have save uh a lot of our businesses lah so that actually uh our economy can still keep running lah because


now we can uh actually not much of a difference you can see that even this part of the COVID right uh working at home we still can work lah it's like, not much difference like going to the office or what lah the only thing is it, there's still disadvantages as in if you need help is very hard to like


five uh people to help you lah because you all working from home or what but at least it is able to keep the businesses going lah because without this communicating thing right, totally we won't be able to further on uh our businesses and I think ah singapore GDP would drop even lower and even though now is already very bad but at least we got uh we still have our advance technology to keep the whole thing going lah that's what I think


you mean the the value of the money if we we go by cashless payment, uh okay I don't think it's a oh it will be affected because I think, uh even cashless ah uh and uh physical money I think it will be still the same is just that is different mode of payment


so I don't think the currency uh value will be affected because uh is only between uh cashless right is like more of the technology but the value is still there it's just that you don't see the physical money while a for, uh physical money right you actually get to see it but actually from my point of view I don't think it will make much of a difference to that because both is actually the same in terms of value uh uh current I mean uh uh country currency won't be affected by uh physical or


will only be affected when uh something happen to the country economy then maybe the uh value of the currency would uh, be effect but other than that I think it should be okay be it uh e-cash or


so I press uh stop for now ah, okay now I press stop ah this one ah I press this one ah


three debate topic three


okay for for me I think uh, is, for atomic bomb thing lah I'm not too sure because last time in the past maybe they do not have a lot of rice lah but now, from what I know right you actually if you ever invented something you actually got these payton thing so actually before the scientists sell their invitations like payton to a third party right they actually have every right to know what the person is going to use the


payton for before they actually sell it to them so if the person is going to use it, uh afforded something in that which is like going to harm the world or what I think the scientists have every right to actually stop uh selling their patent to these are third party


because in, it is out of integrity also I mean uh as a scientist right uh there's this thing about it just like eh uh every other professionals we got our own uh integrity as a professional which we actually need to keep so


for cases like uh the world war three or two maybe in the past right you do not have so many restrictions or maybe the scientists will count or being flattened for their life or which I'm not too sure but, in the modern world now right, invitations actually all have patents is that the scientists can actually choose like who they want to actually sell their patent to and who they actually do not want to sell to so actually as a scientist right uh you are responsible for your own invitation is right


if you know it's going to bring harm to the world obviously you're going to you are by all means you should try to stop all this from happening because, if you know that you are uh in uh inventation is not going to bring any good uh but it will actually harm the world then


uh it's not worth right, don't this lah to sell it to the third party, yup, so I think they got this social responsibility too


okay but the problem is right uh unless what you say is that maybe they are being sponsors for something like uh they invent ah but if they are being sponsored in the first page, if they are being, was that for a weapon that is going to harm the whole world right then they shouldn't be uh even accept the sponsorship because they're doing something that is against the humans right and is up against their integrity so is like before they actually accept the sponsorship right they should actually know


uh what other things that they are being asked to invent if the thing there are being asked to invite right is not something that's going to help mankind by is going to harm mankind right I, think as a scientist uh you should have the social responsibility to actually reject


to carry on this project because this project is, uh against the social norm and it's not going to be bring any good to the world and as a professional integrity is always very important is that, instead of like thinking all about revenue right


they should actually , care about uh, what their inventation would bring to the world too


uh they can actually prevent it if uh they actually know, what they are going to invent in the first place ah uh unless, okay maybe you are saying that they you are asked to invent something that uh you know like maybe uh what doesn't look like a weapon but actually is a weapon which the scientist do not know they actually would after they invented it then the person


actually uh go and maybe the got modify it into weapon then they ask you are right then it's not the scientists issue but if the beginning right the scientists already uh the intentions and the purpose what this thing is for right then it will be social responsibility to the uh


to reject the whole project because his he already know what he's doing is up to no good and it, is going to harm the world but if it is another case where they actually invent it already then after that uh someone go and modify it then obviously is not within the control of the scientists so like what I say right uh


this uh can be from two side point of view lah so it's like, uh if, what I say is the finish products is, not exactly what the scientists intended than yeah you're right uh is


the scientists cannot control people for modifying their inundation but if in the beginning right they already know what they're inventing is not going to do any good to the mankind then they should reject the project lah that's what I think


yeah as long is not illegal is fine lah but also like what I say right, actually depends on whether they know their but I think it's very important for scientists lah to at least know uh what their inventation is meant for the purpose and uh the source is like before they actually start lah because you cannot just invent something because someone asked you to invent for


because you need to know the purpose of your inventation and uh, , what are the pros and cons and what would, be the consequences after you invent this thing out lah but, for cases like because now uh a lot of things uh we also need the scientists to invent like uh


even those medical supplies like uh better wheelchairs or what uh all these actually can make a difference to someone life lah so but, before you invest something right you should know like


uh what to, think twice and what not uh what can be invented ah like those uh, medical supplies that will help human mankind of course the scientists can just go ahead without thinking much lah but, okay so is like


ya this thing may be more defined into a weapon and it may cost another worldwide, then I think the scientists really need to think twice before they actually accept the project because , they need to consider like after this inventation is out right uh what other outcome if they actually fall into the wrong hands lah because is basically ya you like what you say maybe scientist in terms of financial power they do not really have much financial power lah but


at least they will have control in whether they want to accept the proposal or they do not want to accept the proposal uh this something that they definitely can decide on and after they actually uh have their invitation right they actually can also decide uh whether to sell it to the right vendor or


not sell it to the bad vendor, because eventually right they hold the copyright uh and patent right off, uh the inventations that they do lah it's like their own baby because uh without them right there won't have this inventation at all


actually it really depends ah like I say right it depends on whether the scientist know what they're doing if they're they don't they currently is ignorant of what they doing like maybe he uh like uh develop something like uh chemical with the thought that, uh excuse for something but actually end up


uh a third sponsor actually use for chemical weapon then ya that is not something that the scientists currently control and we cannot put under scientists because it would be unfair for them because they're actually inventing this, or chemical which uh the sponsor did not tell them like


what this thing is use being used for lah, but, uh in the first place it can there like I say there's two sides la they can, cannot totally say they don't know because in the first lah we, before you do it uh like someone ask you do something uh rightfully you need to know uh uh what is this use for lah unless to the extent that you can see they are being cheated like bring me the sponsor tell them these thing is being used for


certain things lah but actually end up, uh after they invent already right the sponsor actually take their uh so call like inventation like chemical to go and do chemical weapon yeah then that is not the fault of the scientist lah because uh we can see that they also uh victim they are being cheated


they don't know what is happening like it's just that uh they are being paid to do something which they think is right but after the they do already right uh, the the vendors are actually to their inventation and use it for something else which is uh can bring harm to the world without letting the scientists know so the scientists got no right on the outcome of


this thing also because in the first place they're being told to do something uh but end up right after they do something already right uh the person actually used for other purpose which, they, are ignorant in the first place lah so if it's that kind of thing right


we definitely cannot bring the scientists lah so actually uh the beginning is very important whether they are being told or not told that's why I think yeah


an essential part of success


okay so jeraldine I see it differently


okay jeraldine I hear you, ya ya, okay so jeraldine I hear you you know you've stated err this failure as essential part of success however I disagree with that you know because actually


you know there are so many schools out there that, teaches you so what is important for me as I far I see is that you had be first be trained train in your knowledge so as to avoid the failures, you know and also to is good if you can have a mentor to guide you and each step of the way so that you can avoid the failure because this mentor are experienced people


right they have gone through it and they can help to look out for you where the pitfall so that you can, avoid uh uh so called, stepping into the pitfalls yeah, and like you say that when you fall down you know you you learn from it yeah but if you've got a good uh body of knowledge plus you got the mentor then you need not


go to that route of having to fall down, you know and also it's good that you can have a group of supportive friends, that would also rally around you to encourage you and to say go on let's go you know uh


let's do it you know you can do it you know to encourage you you know so with all these I think, it need not feel, and therefore success is there, it may seems like uh, you may take a long time but you know it will surely come


because your friends are there to encourage you you got uh mentor you got the body of knowledge that you are being equipped with you know and therefore with the mentor of the as a teacher or guide you can always consult the person even before you even feel so there is need not


uh to go to that route to fill you know I'm sure you can see the people also succeed uh, , that didn't really have to go through that school of failures, you know so in that sense, I would say that a lot of time


we ourselves have to have that positive mindset and you have to believe in ourselves that we can succeed because, the test of essential part of it once you have the believe in yourself you know you can able to succeed


and that is very important so that is my stand on that


so I hear you as you said you know uh failure is like to do your so convinced that is ninety percent, so for me is like even, it is so called ninety percent there is still the ten percent you know the ten percent that one can work on in order to improve on it


so far, in life of course nothing is for sure like you said right uh you cannot be sure that your friends are around the mentor around you know and therefore this self awareness in us is very important


you know, having a self awareness will move one from one position to another, uh able to evaluate the steps that you have taken and whether are you on the right track to success so this path to success or this route to success


uh, even though it may not be easy, ya, but I still strongly believe that if first have to come from the, believe that whatever that you're doing you have the passion for it uh you know that will motivates you


towards success, well it can also be the other way around you know uh with the failure some people get so depressed you know going to that route that they can never come out again and they even call it quit altogether so you can have the other extreme


yes that's true yeah so this resilience also depends on your personality right, some people are more so called #gung ho# you know the, charge, and then we are so passionate about things uh they will just like a bull they'll charging all the way through they won't give up so easily yeah why others know just the slightest thing only !aiya! they give up already they will have nothing to do with


which I think is also very essential and very important because you know uh we do not live alone by ourselves, so far we have so many things now environment there is also a factor that will affect us


and very often that we are uh once we're aware of this environment we can either harnessed the environment to our advantage or to our disadvantage you know so it's very much our perspective uh how you want to view, these things right


ya, so like even friends you also would select and choose those friends, that are, so called genuine friends that they can be truthful to you and so called like you say if there's failure they can point out to or they can blind spot we have we need our friends to tell us


you know so that we can avoid falling to the pit you know


so I think also is important to select friends you know uh kinda balanced out each other like some of, more supportive and more positive to encourage you you know and so that you can so called avoid failures


ya, and like you say that oh if we do feel you know there will be friends who will help us to pick us up, and go along with us, or rather to share that journey of difficulty with us, so that we will not give up altogether


that's true, that's true (mmhmm), ya, so sometime the friends the company you have is also important because they'll point us to the right uh, err, uh focus that we may have and along the path the even though the focus changed you know but they're able to help to see the goodness of it


yeah and being contented contentment, you know rather than uh so called you know the condo that you need to have, to strive for it you know, ya the car care should whatever


ya you know, so I think at the end of it you know we've got do look down within ourselves and see what is our real value what is the value that we really, uh you know, would, be most comfortable or rather we want to attain the true value rather than what people define a success


yes


uh where I still agreed to you to some extent only


experiences are more valuable than material possessions do you agree


okay jeraldine so, I will talk about experiences are more valuable than material possessions, you know so what we have in experiences is so rich because then you are able to see the world in a different light


you know, so very often like you go travel the different countries you know you get inside of, how the people really know the culture that so rich you know enjoy the ambience the environment you know and they're utans even experience the kindness of the people


you know maybe they can play host to you or experience uh what is it like living in a different country uh I mean the country may so call in the eyes of the world as poor, ya, but then you see the people how generous they are you know they provide you with whatever they have even the little vegetable crops they have you know can taste the natural organic


plants you know that is being cooked with love, you know so is something that is different, than to having so called money can buy, and also money can't buy everything money cannot buy love, ya, so it's very important that sense ya


ya so something is, through in life is that once we have these experiences that we will also, realise that with these experiences we can, pass onto the our next generation to our friends that we meet to share with them what we have learnt


you know and then they in turn would also want to experience what we have experienced, you know for instance like going to israel, ya, going to the holy land, I think it's a wish for every christian, who have never been there and want to experience what is it like you know the times that jesus was sleeping at that time and to see for ourselves you know and then to experience


uh the, terrain and then to see even to taste the food you know and it's just bring back to mind you know or how rich the culture was then you know and therefore with this experiences we can ready uh you know so called enjoy and then able to see


uh, uh the compassion of the people you know the love the people have you know and the places that jesus had to go and then suffered you know at gethsemane you know where and all this thing at to me is after going through that


holy land we can see the wonders of uh the the bible the bible that comes alive, and you are so uh rich in that sense you know rather than to just be reading it as a so called storybook, but


never really understanding what is it life, so for me is so important to have these experiences


so jeraldine I hear you like as you said you know did you need to have this basic needs no is is so called to use essential but I think sometime in life we need to look beyond just the basic needs you know


so once you have the basic needs you know, you need to experience what life is all about and life, it can only be experienced through various ways you know uh it can be just as simple as you know just experience by tasting


through our eyes sight you know to see the beauty around us you know or even just take a walk you know like that day I just went to the the beach you know it was so nice suddenly I saw this, clouds it was about to rain you know but this cloud was like you know in the shape of a funnel and so unusual you know to see the cloud in that shape


so that to really experience that you know is is so beautiful, ya, and I did not pay just walking down the beach you know it's just a park that is available and I just walk on the east coast beach you know so


uh no words can tell or described, how beautiful that moment when I sat there and saw this as I walk, ya, and I couldn't resist but to take a picture out of it you know, so in life sometimes is this experiences you know that can be so valuable in that sense that you know you just want to experience and capture that moment


that is so precious in and and also you want to share that moment with friends, around, you know so I was sending it to my friend and they say !wow! where did you get this, this picture you know it's !wah! you at there at the right time you know so is is such thing because in the midst of how we are right now you know so call everybody is under this pandemic


of COVID and people are so depressed sometimes you know, and maybe they lose their job or whatever and they they they need to see it from a different perspective just by walking the beach and relax and you know the ambience to cheer you up to hear the waves the sound of the waves


you know and then you see uh you know people throwing or jogging exercising keeping themselves fit you know a reminder of that oh actually we still have this body, that god has given us and that we are allowed to experience different things that we can see we can hear we can tastes we can even uh you know to fill with the smell know the fresh air early in the morning so is so lovely


yeah and we I don't think money can buy that, so to me that is very important


ya so like you said you know even the poor family uh they can also experience uh, uh, uh the warmth of a family, right, and out of the warmth of family they also would uh so close knitted


you know that they are able to enjoy that that fellowship or the relationship, which some of the rich family they don't even get because they're always fighting or quarrying over material possession


and rightly so, so but once they get over it because you know our society is also very compassionate there are so many organisation helping this so called homeless or people without job or


things like that you know yeah, to try to find housing for them you know uh like for instance my churches open is, err, dolls and provide some uh shelter for the homeless as well yeah tune this spirit


you know, and also to provide them with three meals, uh the food and all this thing


ya so like what I'm saying is that money cannot buy everything, ya, like say voices like you quoted about this this one parent having to give up their job so that's to spend quality time with their child I think that is a very meaningful way where uh that experience with the child would remains with the child


for life you know because the child would remember oh my daddy or my mummy has given up the job so that they are always with me during my growing up years you know that is the most important, I am working with dying patient and always they said what is most important to me is my family


my relationship with my family it is a very strained relationship they always will hang on and they will not die until so call that strains, son or daughter will come back to see them, before they close their eye


so that's why we need to treasure these experiences that we have with our families even right now, rather than to complain about them and say why are they so this and that you know, but to really to appreciate them in the positive light the little things that they do to express their love and to deliver the grateful and to say thank you to them


to sort out their own problems, how far do you agree


okay so let me give you my the other point of view, ya so very often, what we have is that, that side that he had presented yeah, but sometime is these countries you know when they're in conflict they'll fight to know ends you know


yeah and more countries are being drawn into it, you know because they are not able to sort out their problem so that's why they sometime will have to seek help, to need uh you know like united nation you know where they send a peace negotiator


to go there and try to resolve their conflict and try to get them the different parties to come to the table to talk about it and to agree on some terms, you know, so that the the war which is so called ravaging around can come to end and people can live in peace rather than be always in that so called war zone country


you know that people livelihood is being affected they have no sense of security you know, uh they do not know uh tomorrow whether they'll be around because do not know whether the bombshell is going to bomb land on their, doorstep and that they'll be killed


you know so sometime is such a suggestion I think it's important that they would have to seek help and to ask for wisdom, uh to ask, uh the negotiator to come in and so get to come to a term of agreement to so that they can have experience what is peace


if not it's going to be very very difficult, you know for the people who so called ongoing you know forever experiencing all the difficulties and uh insecurity having no sense of what is real peace


you know so it is in such a situation that is important for us to see, so very often uh you know uh countries you know where they have long drawn walls, you know


uh even like sri lanka you know took a long time before they they can come to that stage where you know they can have peace you know uh if not of uh years of fighting so very often you find that, they could not have achieve it without some peace negotiator going in and then helping to set some terms which both


the rivalry, parties would agree the armies you know to come to a so called a peace truce so that they can, uh, get out of this conflict if not this confirm will keep on perpetuating itself and then it will lead onto even a worst stage that's why some of the wars is so drop long drawn ten years fifteen years and during this time is people are the one that is suffering


so like you said you know you called singapore but singapore is just one unique, place you know, where our government has proven itself to be able to so called handle its own problem, ya but not every country is like singapore not every country has


that, uh the caliber of the so called uh the our late, uh senior mentor, yeah Lee-Kuan-Yew who is well known he became so well known right ya, ya, so so is is use you cannot use singapore as the yardstick


you know there are so many countries that is in conflict you know that is all it's almost like uh you know wallowing it in his own pity and is you know having infighting here infighting there is no end to it you know


and like what I said, ultimately it's the people that is suffering, the people are the ones who suffer and they live in poverty because of these corrupt government or this it uh government that is always intention you know there's always conflict between different party different rivals you know


to try to get power you know, to resolve but yet, it cannot be resolved, so very often you