err, it has it's uh uh uh, it has its benefits here but then at the same time whatever uh the opposition has uh has highlighted the uh, uh the negative the negativity of uh uh having no right to remain anonymous I think that can be mitigated uh uh in in in it in its own area


uh, at this time uh but we should not actually neglect the benefit of uh having uh anonymity online, so ya thank you


uh example of, example of,


uh just like when you go, go outside and say maybe you want to I and you know , uh say maybe uh say


, uh somebody who wants to use your uh your name, who wants to use your personal identification for for, with a malicious intent right and then and then you go out


and then the person's and then and then and then the person you do not know who the person is you you have no clue the background history of the person , uh and yet the same time you share what is uh, sensitive to you what is what is uh ultimately private to you right and then uh how can you have the confidence to share all these information to the person who uh you do not know err


and you're not sure or confident that the person will not misuse your information here, so uh, so this is what I'm where where I'm coming from yup


it's an unfair fight you are saying


but if we were to look from at the point where, the vigilante has a point let's say Xiaxue is like doing a lot of uh spreading false rumor doing bad negative stuff online and let's say if the vigilante this person so-called the vigilante who is hiding his identity


and he's calling out Xiaxue but at the same time is he trying to protect himself because Xiaxue actually has a lot of influence on over social media right, so so anybody who does not have as much uh influence would be afraid that they may that they are safety may be compromised


and then they are not able to speak up so wouldn't that actually uh serve to uh prevail serve to uh be complicit in what Xiaxue is doing uh doing negative stuff online , so so in a way here there's no uh certain check and balance so if Xiaxue knows that


uh people will, uh know that whatever you say online she has to be responsible because there will be, people coming out to , uh uh check on her monitor her action by virtue of the fact that they can be anonymous


uh wouldn't that make Xiaxue a more responsible uh social media content creator so ya


okay Jia-Ling do you want to uh begin


okay can thank you Jia-Ling for your valuable input and your argument, okay so I'd like to begin by uh giving myself the view before I start to address uh the #jia-ling#'s point


okay so the uh uh my stand here is that I'm actually , , uh again social media uh having the right to store and use our , so no social media


should uh should have the right to store our personal information here right so , uh myself the view is that just took let's look at social media itself as a company and facebook, uh twitter instagram they are not just purely a social media company they are actually a data


mining company will be based on the amount of information that they collect uh like uh uh how we uh look at our online activity our preference in certain uh topic our choice in uh our, daily lives so in a sense uh social media actually helps to understand and collate people data and when they are collating all these data and you can be sure that uh under their terms and condition there are uh uh uh they are actually operating under a registered


company that is uh not contravening any law they have a proper transparent disclosure uh government approved uh IMDA approved and a, so in a sense they are actually operating in an environment that is controlled


uh they are not uh opposing they are not, operating in a in in a area where you know they're going down there not they they are not, uh doing something that is not uh be not incapable of being monitored by the public or having a legal oversight by any uh uh any authority


so in that sense they're operating in a legit manner you can say in in a way, so when are operating in a safe environment such in this manner it actually data mining actually helps, to uh uh contribute to uh the uh formulation of uh artificial intelligence as as we're all aware uh how much of a benefit artificial intelligence can serve to uh humanity you know areas like automation areas like


say uh, uh easing the way we go about doing our lives, say for example uh uh uh , story of certain information let's say for example scientist a uh were to uh


reach a certain extent uh of of a a scientific discovery and thereafter it has to be uh path on to scientist b who is just starting to get into, get to know this topic so AI can actually help


to uh, cut short the amount of time scientist b is able to take over uh what scientist a is able to uh uh, discover at that point in time so actually it helps AI helps to actually serve uh humanity a lot better uh and one of the main component of AI is actually a a contributor of AI is actually a social media who are actually in fact a data mining company


company, uh one very good example is uh we we can look at uh china versus US and we we can see china US and the european union we can see that china although uh they are only just starting to uh open up in terms of technology in terms of uh software hardware


uh and yet china is at the forefront of artificial intelligence and and and why is that uh this uh the reason is because, as compared to uh european union compared to the US, uh we can see a china itself does not have uh many restriction or actually they actually gave almost unfettered rights to people to social media company AKA data mining company to use to freely use hence


store if personal information of uh online users, uh, uh as you can see as you know that uh in terms of uh uh uh you know uh privacy european union is is a country that is, uh that that has the highest degree of uh uh protecting uh uh personal information online


err, and we can see the result here what has happened to european union uh in the forefront of AI they are actually uh lagging start to lag behind uh china already and and and and US being the uh second in line to uh protect uh online privacy and freedom uh china is actually starting to catch up with the US


err , uh so this is my point of view uh where uh where this my first point of view uh when it comes to uh AI uh and and also uh let me now start to address uh uh Jia-Ling uh one of the


err uh, question uh uh point put forth earlier on, uh you mentioned that the celebrity it actually helps to protect a celebrity identity, uh uh when when social media uh, does not have the right to store our personal information right but the think about the concept of celebrity is that uh when they consent to themself being in the role of a celebrity they have already on day-one given up this right of being as uh private individual


so in a way uh when they when she start to adopt this job uh she has already given up her right to uh for other people to have information of her, which bring us to the next point where you says that uh


uh uh , uh somebody who is in the public uh and then uh and yet he still wants to, to, uh keep his identity secret so in in in a in a way this is a logical uh fallacy because


uh how can you go to, uh a party say uh as a private individual let's not talk about celebrity and and you and you can control who is able to look at you and who is not able to look at you, you know uh your personal uh uh so that that that's where where we're coming from there's a a logical fallacy here in there


uh uh, of course uh your uh Jia-Ling can argue is that uh you know when uh social media has the right to store information uh certain information may be abused uh certain information can be sold and be and be uh profited uh by the uh


social media company but the thing here is that most social media company the aim of social media company is here, to, to a business they are here to make profit at the end of day if there's no, probably going around there even be a data mining company they if they no nobody would even be want to nobody would even want to send our social media company


and when there is no social media and we can know that social media company has certain uh economic factor uh when it come to uh GDP contribution right uh such as facebook, book uh twitter that kind of stuff and the amount of uh employment they're able to uh


uh uh , contribute to economy but I think have me say that that aside but , uh what I'm trying to say is that uh social media it itself, uh social media company in itself uh uh, is still a, a a company still a business they do not come out to uh open a social media company uh without having a sustainable uh uh avenue such as uh earning uh earning uh uh uh revenue here


so, how can we at the other day tell them !hey! uh you've you are providing uh service to the community, uh providing uh social media as a platform for the convenience and yet the same time do not allow those people who create such a platform to earn a living


so uh, uh uh that that that that's that's where I'm coming from, so ya, okay now uh back to you Jia-Ling


part one debate topic one


uh, what are your reason, okay I feel that the ban should stay uh we know that there is this uh singapore we are talking about within singapore so singapore had this whole


HOTA act, which stand for human organ transplant act, the purpose of this act is to criminalise some activities which is harmful, uh for, human organ trafficking


at the same time it also uh allowed for, encourage, organ donation so that that itself would, prevent the need for, organ transplant so I think therefore I feel that the ban should stay there are four area which the


human organ transplant act had uh criminalise four area which is the agreeing to supply sale or supply, your or anybody organs or blood to for either economy or financial gain and the other one is the that


once you've been in the business, in the business of facilating procuring or selling organ or blood to other people, uh there was a of for all this this area, the government the act itself had impose some penalty of either a jail term and a fine


and, so I felt that uh this that, the the ban should stay otherwise ah when there is a money value connected to trading of this organ there will be


activities that encourage such uh activities that, the exploitation will be the, will be the financially poor or weak, and it's it's just like harming a life to save another life which I totally disagree


so therefore I felt that the ban had should stay


they aren't the solution to that is that uh


to encourage uh donor that means that, I believe there is this act that allowed empower uh health authority, unless you opt out they will


but the cons uh outweighed the pro because


the the activities that ah can create, the the harm to the society is much more it can be evolved into a multi uh multi million dollar where, the the, poor or the exploitation of poor that we I mean it may not happen in singapore but globally we seen that uh


that children that they kidnapped and then uh, harvest or young people have been uh, kidnap and just, harvest their organ, and that that that itself to me is is against any concern or, or any uh


rights to to to uh encourage uh organ trading it's just like example do you see the, the uh, the demand for elephant tusk or rhino and you can see the poacher hunt down all these animal to the point of near extinction so we should never allow any uh such trading where there's the


commercial benefit because it will just simply encourage a lot of illicit activities which I which we should I felt that this should not uh open a pandora box


I know the demand, ya I, there is an option like I mentioned that the what the government have done is that unless you opt out that's assuming uh you you opt out ah otherwise


the, hospital authority the health authority, you are you are actually empower them that if should you, someone uh dying in a hospital which I mean in the case of uh confirmed dying like to accident life cannot be saved


so the vital part of the organ can then be taken out and transplant uh to a to someone who need that particular organ that itself will partially partially so called uh, uh alleviate that that the shortage I I know the waiting list is long the demand is much


uh higher than the supply but then, by having these public education to change the attitude of the public, concerning organ donation should be the key and the other way is to uh or that this area is still in in the research of


uh, technology or advanced science science for the it's to produce artificial organ, or even compatible uh substitute like a like a heart, pump heart, pump so that you don't have to


look for a organic heart, so this with all this uh, thing in place uh with that would, take the pressure off for, for having uh on the supply organ but generally I still feel that this organ trading is simply not right not right because it's simply uh the it's simply uh border into


into a criminal activities, so uh,


if if if if if even if you talk about live about even if you allow organ trading uh in singapore based on the pool of two point something million or five four million, the exchange is still is still, what makes the requirement and I personally I think in general we we know that uh life is more important than money


unless, unless you reach a stage of you in very very poor that, uh , got economically that you you need to survive that you sell your your body parts which uh which are to me


whether really just a concern is just simply to me the not the right thing to to to do the the the way to to this thing getting out of control is just simply uh cannot be uh uh, tried or even tested


uh, I know that the the justification you mentioned the wait is long and is race against time but then in the first place that uh


uh uh that uh a human life, , ya but but, but then in general you should have we should have look at uh, the how to maintain our sustainability of a healthy organ is to live uh a better lifestyle because once you allowed uh


allowed this uh organ trading and then transplant then people will say that eh there's always organ ready for me why should I care what should I take care of my health, !huh! so they just simply we know that the three main organ parts ah that in demand is the kidney and the heart


uh, kidney and a heart then but this


we had one case actually this this thing come up in prominent is because of a case of this uh CK Tang owner CK Tang mister, #tan wee sung# ya he was jailed a day and fined seventeen thousand dollar


for uh for I think he he I can't remember was it the kidney or liver but then he bought it he he he he got this, he bought this and then uh they did fine him and this become, uh uh, bring up to the light and then this HOTA came about I remember that uh


way back, there was this opt out for every citizen if you if you don't want wish your human organ to be taken out transplant to somebody you you you will sign a form sign sign and then you will


you will hold the hold the card and, this is archived but I I I I do believe singaporean are not very conscious or aware of this uh, this topic of, human organ transplant act in fact other than


other than this debate come about which I then I do some reading then I realised that uh the the act is quite comprehensive it covered, even advertising or for sales or purchase of blood and organ or the right to take any organ from the body of another person or even acting as a vendor or supplier of a derivative of processed organ or blood so it's very comprehensive but simply because we find that all


these are illicit activities and it just simply should, not be allowed to uh, uh uh, It's very difficult to govern to control once you give a, a a, what it called green light for such thing because it's


it's a it can be a good creative business uh


I okay uh coming to that there is there are some doctor within the practice do felt that, uh do felt that some uh, leeway or amendment should be given and I believe that, there's a lot and this this act was


up in nineteen eighty seven, and along the line there's a lot of amendment there had been amendment uh in the sense that, that uh it may lead to further uh tolerance and maybe a a proper framework like you said legitimate the organ transplant or the organ trading


to a point that how to cover from people uh what you call uh abusing the whole thing and making it uh businesses, currently I have not seen too much of of but I know that there is debate on this this this issue at uh but I personally at this point of time do feel that the ban should still should stay until they come up with the proper framework


regulate such thing otherwise the ban should not be lifted within singapore, although I in in in globally uh like you said black market uh globally or even in some other country it may be legalised I I won't know but right now within singapore context I still think that uh it should not the ban should stay


currently the act is to me is quite comprehensive it cover


uh, four area where four area whether there is a direct party or even a uh, uh uh oh, the middleman party to do any kind of trading of the organ simply at this moment though is very simple is that the trading of organ trading


is criminalised it's mean is illegal I believe uh, from scientific there there is always like in this case there always a proposition opposition on on this as as of now I do see that the the negative aspect impact of it on the society is higher uh until uh


value and ethics may change I I won't know but at this moment, thinks is is and I do do see this this act in uh, review prominently or send for debate being the singapore circles circle uh to do any further amendment because


by having this trading you will encourage exploitation of the vulnerable and the poor and we have seen that, uh, that simply not right to sell what is part of you given by god ah


and use it use it to is religiously I don't think is, then religious context I believe is also it's just like abortion some some some some area said is no some is empty some for the sake of pragmatic allow it so at this at this moment I still feel that


uh this organ trading is uh is is is the no


yes no doubt that's why uh, but the government is uh trying to use public education for people to saying that if somebody, uh had, met in a accident and he is brain dead or or or died


correct correct correct correct so that that


I, ya I'm not ya agree but uh this supply and demand there's there's a huge gap it it's true the wait list ah for for a kidney and liver is is high but I feel felt that


uh there are ways to to to what you call uh, take care of your kidney and liver by not, no it agreed


because by allowing


ya but that that will encourage telling people that ah in the first place you should have a healthy lifestyle rather than thinking that there is an outlet okay it's just like a car spare part like that !aiya! can easily get a car spare part


no the ban the ban is uh the the ban is currently is quite comprehensive I I I I read through the four eh four area of the the trading where the government had quite comprehensive covered and make it illegal


and there is a, very clear cut of the penalty involved whether it's a, amount of fine and uh amount of imprisonment or both, ya


so okay oh okay through after all this after all this debate I still, sincerely feel that the ban should stay, although I know that there is few amendment or review going on but as far as the motion is concerned general consensus within the government is that the ban is still there


okay


that as for was, well I I said my piece already okay


so I do a thumbs up, , part, part two debate topic two


okay uh drugs should not be developed, I I proceed uh proceed uh firstly I think, to before we talk about this topic about uh living forever, we have to define uh


I mean at this moment is is to me is uh what you call, impossibility lah ah it's a fantasy but the and then the next question is the definition of living forever because this living forever actually become what they called immortality immortality means simply uh


don't can't don't die or can't die so so it will look into that aspect rather than the key thing of living forever of course like I said just now that it is uh at this point the debate if I have to to me is like uh, there is there is


no such a possibility at the moment so it will become more like life extension rather than living forever how to extend the life further and even then I see even then is it possible and how is the advanced in science to allow life extension


and that itself, that itself then you look at the social aspect of is it good for people to live much longer uh living much longer and the the social impact to the individual and the society of having someone having uh uh uh


human being living, forever we use I use the word forever again but I know it's more like living should be clear seeing like living longer


okay the the when we when we say live the opposite of living is death, so that that the only, three three causes of death which is ageing which is natural process of human life but most of us actually do not die of old age


we die of the two other causes, percentage wise, the three three main causes of death uh it like you mentioned is aging disease or physical trauma which means accident lah oh err you got killed by somebody during a robbery or you fall from a height or you accident


uh, ya but but what I'm trying to say that ah, uh assuming, this two thing don't happen we are able to overcome disease and physical trauma then you will die of old age or we so so called they used the word natural uh


natural causes but the the thing is, how we cannot live forever is because of this aging and why why which why we age and then die so the that's why the scientists in order to look at life extension or making living forever the concept of living forever or this thing called elixir of life


is, way way before even science come about, because human being is always looking at, this thing called immortality, which again have a have a different concept by different uh society because


some people think that afterlife is also some form of living forever because when you die you actually didn't die you go to another another dimension with another life with the because differentiate between the soul and the body, so so but over here we talk is what uh


every religion had a concept of afterlife uh which make people trying to do good or follow a certain divine law so they have immortality but over here we are talking about, uh human being able to live assuming like living to two hundred years uh two hundred years old


three hundred and even science believe that it is possible to breeze even one thousand years which to me is still not forever but more like extension, but even but then to this point I look at in the first place why do why do we age if we understand why do we age and how do we age then scientist will try to find how to stop


ageing but overall I still find that uh, that uh, even if they able to do so there is a negative impact, negative impact on having uh someone living forever with example is the two key thing will be this


uh food uh when people don't die, then what what is the natural thing that happen is the population growth population growth will be will give what will give first of all how to feed this population growth


ya the with food shortage housing house housing problem as we can see, uh even in in in uh in, africa or even in singapore we have such a small land and then if you have population growth ah then you also talk about uh these


family relation tie assuming if you live you can live to forever then you will have, more generation than simply what you call uh great grandson great great great great grandson that will be very complicated causing very complicated issue but uh to me at this moment I simply do not see


uh a a a drug in, able to be developed to allow human being to live forever lah or those uh they call it the life extension technology had uh so called advanced in the various form the various from, I think three drug ah had been identified to be able to do this life extension that are all under clinical trial on animal and have been proven to efficiency proven to work


but have not been done on a human human yet uh, to extend life via a drug via through drug although we know that there are people who live beyond hundred and twenty a lot of uh japanese in Okinawa had live beyond hundred and twenties but they don't live they don't based on drug they based on on a healthy lifestyle


environment ya, ya but then the the the the the the key thing now is that the the topic is that should a drug be developed to allow human to live forever through the drug so that's why the scientists and doctors are looking at uh looking at such drug and one of the drug is metformin


metformin uh which uh is basically a drug that, uh also used for prescription for control of diabetic sugar and they have found that they given these to the mice test on the mice and those mice given this drug and those not given this drug the one given the metformin live fifty percent longer so so uh


so it so this product uh this this this drug and also another one is called rapamycin and, resveratrol is basically uh sometime our grapes I, I I take this I I take this I took some some supplement which contain this thing which in a way help repair your DNA damage so that you don't age


delay aging ah ah get delay you cannot stop at this moment we can't stop aging but we can try our best to delay with a lot of uh anti ageing skincare or whatever product ah but, uh uh


ya but the ya but then uh the to like the search for such a drug is still continuing and I think the the scientist scientist with scientist doctor with doctor always wanted to to challenge the boundary and I I don't think is the is is not


wrong but uh then but then you have to see of to what extent they make use of science to do it it just like what is life in fact while doing this thing uh there was this, phrase which came about


they say death death is fair life is not, it's a very simple phrase but it's very provoking why death is fair life is not because, death being fair is that even if you are super rich whether you are bill bill gate or warren buffet


one day you will die is is a leveller of leveller of some where as life is not you can see bill gates multi billion and then we got a lot of poor people around so so sometimes we we not able to live forever is design destined to be to be ah oh uh uh


to firstly is also a natural way of the natural way of life ah is to reproduce itself and human being and animals are given the mechanism to reproduce and then once you did your job you just pass on you just pass on


correct correct


ya they call it elixir of life ah elixir of life even uh when #shi huangdi# #shi huangdi# uh he united china and then he say that since I have china under my control


he want then he wanted to uh live longer or even forever he send out expedition to various uh remote region and send that to find this elixir of life and those who come back with nothing all get killed so a lot of that expedition they went they that they they they don't come back because there is no such a thing


so they they just go off and then resettled in somewhere else they don't want to come back because to come back is to face death sentence even hitler also do experimentation on on how to, uh uh prolong, prolong life but uh I I think this is a pursuit uh


we we we human being, (mmhmm), all of us like to live longer lah like to live longer and the but but yup


(hmm), extending like uh, the value of a human being is is not also, it's also depending on


how the person can contribute to the society it just like india, there is a lot of human being even if you live them let them live live uh longer it only perpetuate the the poverty issue so so there is this thing like population growth and uh and living longer it's just that if if we have


if let's say we have #lee kuan yew# around and he he he he he can live much longer, singapore will benefit a lot you you will have generation of his leadership, but we have a lot of beggars and you prolong their life to one thousand years old then he will be uh uh begging for one thousand years so so you had so looking at that ah we will say to look at the contribution uh aspect of a person of of of a person ya


but then, that that's why the the phrase came in death is fair life is not that's why whether you are #lee kuan yew# or you are a a beggar or


or or or you you you die when you age so is that is in in that is in being very fair lah when you come to talk about uh, prolonging life ah which is more like life extension rather than than living forever life extension there a lot of technology like even saying that I I even post this question even before this topic was how do you define a person is it through his through he


correct some people ya ya, correct you are right you are right because in in life ah the cycle of life you have achieve your various role either as a son


father husband you say !hey! I've done all these thing why should I want to uh live longer, !huh! because living longer, uh, I mean this this this material world is not really fun to to, to live in also we come here to toil


to toil our life away so unless you living meaningfully with the purpose you said uh I think that is uh uh some quite a number of movie plot based along that line the purpose of life I will always find that, live without a purpose also meaningless even if you can live to be forever you had to have a


uh uh uh uh good purpose, another concept another concept of of living forever is like, uh, you see uh people believe that


life can be extended but during that state their their body had they they they frozen the body to wait for the day when the technology is able to and extend life so at this moment they frozen the body but the another concept is saying that


what what define a person is it the body or the mind if it's the mind what they do is the body can die but he pluck out his mind and uploaded whatever in his mind into a computer, and then transfer his memory and mind to another living body so does that person still considered as living forever this is another concept of what is called living forever and


and surprisingly this man elon musk the founder of Tesla, he is one of this person who's trying to do a human and computer interface to extract uh example is like if they were if you are able to extract uh uh who's that guy the the famous uh scientist uh


what the, I can't the the one with the poodle hair uh the scientist, he he is so much advanced of for his age his knowledge is still the his theory is so much of it he thinks his mind can be


his theory his understanding can be can be can be sustained then the mankind will will, will benefit a lot but in the end, even he will he died so many years ago but his theory is now still be proven to be valid is in a very what you call the theory


the, relativity theory ya, so (ppc) ah, but I I like I said I don't see a drug been able to be developed, to, to allow human to live forever lah because uh simply simply the human our cell is designed in such a way that it cannot replicate itself there's a limit to it it can replicate we call it the hayflick


limit after it, it it after it it it that uh it uh, reached a certain point it just stop regenerating so, ya, but science is still looking at that they using animals looking at some animals ah like hydra and some of the plant some of even the plants they find that the the cell are able to replicate and reproduce and and some of the trees are even one thousand years old


so they're trying to see see taking some technology and knowledge from there and see whether it will work on human being but the human being is the most complex leading specimen so it's not so easy, uh ya


so to summarize I use I I like to I I think this is a very interesting topic I I like to summarize, that uh is a good for discussion and that uh, the the, I I was quite surprised that, scientista believe that they are able to extend human life extend I won't use the word


uh forever but even if you extend I was surprised they even target uh they say that, living to two hundred years uh, uh is, possible within the next, decade, pushing the boundary within the next decade although if if you look at


way before the average lifespan mortality of the global used be fifty then extend to seventy due to better food understand of nutrition and then the uh water hygiene personal hygiene ya extend you have pushed the boundary even I think even singapore context


we have uh average lifespan about singaporean is supposed to reach from, eighty five that's why the government justified pulling back the CPF withdrawal to you and then uh and then, uh, from fifty five sixty five to seventy five and so


eh, on every basis singaporean have one of the longest lifespan which is at eight four this is a global and I always felt that, people living in the tropical country can't live can't live to uh, can't live long because the the the heat the


eh doesn't suit suit a lifespan ah, okay,


that, there is, there is this thing called biological age ah I mean your chronological age and your biological age


currently it's achieved through lifestyle lah lifestyle you take the nutrition food balance, uh ya oh ya


okay we click stop and submit


and uh, time's up


okay what what are the benefit does the for me I felt that ah it doesn't offer more than more benefit it doesn't offer more benefit than I will, ya


I think that that there is a benefit but to talk about more benefit ah I I think we have to look on the perspective uh, there are two perspective one is the employee and the employer and one is for both, both the employee and employer the good to the the benefit


as long as I see that uh this working from home have this concept working from home has always been talked about, uh I start first right, in the past even before COVID but this COVID nineteen kind of, make it a mandate or compulsory because of the


all this uh in, contagiousness in close proximity and therefore, the law, to continue with what you called business BCP business continuity plan to to ensure that


the, people don't get infected and shut down the whole businesses they make people to work from home to safeguard safeguards so that the function continue but then uh beyond that the the working from home ah, uh do have a lot of issue


a lot of issue, that uh make, working from home not as productive as, as it claimed key thing is , okay


okay that okay, okay that to you ah is a benefit from the point of the employer if you are truly truly uh so called disciplined enough and put work first but then as a employee


but what what I'm trying to say is that what it doesn't produce more benefit from the angle of the employee because like what you just mentioned the work life balance the work life balance is blur


because you you kind of uh no longer have a structure saying that eh eight o'clock, I must reach office or then five o'clock I log off or uh tea break is ten o'clock or lunch time is twelve to one it become like uh


but the key word you just hit is the word discipline but how many percentage of the people


who are disciplined especially, but the thing he said the the it uh the quality of work or the quantity of work cannot be truly measured because


in every organisation, the employer always want to maximise the potential and productivity an employee but if you see that, the employee did the amount of work in in three hours he could have say that eh, he can do more


I could I observed that he can do more I will let him do more but right now I won't know he produced in time he take eight hours to produce when he could had uh, when he could have done it in three hours ha, so that's why the then the productivity will not increase there's no the unable to measure


okay what what


I know the some of the some of the reason for doing this like I say this working from home have been practice in insurance company financial company basically it because of the, of the facts that they are short of they are short of office space or work station for for those uh worker especially insurance agent there are a lot of insurance but they cannot afford so many offices or table and chairs or workstation so they have this open work station but


to work from home I I say the challenging issue ah is that, uh again come down to discipline, because what number one is that when you are at home the environment is different you have a lot of distraction assuming you cannot simply say eh I'm working from home you your children uh go to the next room or go out of the house because the children are children they are part of the environment


and if you have a family or uh the children then, ya but that itself exactly why I said is not giving more benefit because it distract you from concentration to your work


you have to attend to your children


that exactly , ya when you say kill your hour you are actually taking time from your working hours to attend to domestic issue, which again is not in office you can't do that you don't do that because


if that is a, ya correct I'm I'm from, I'm ya, that's why I say I'm from the uh I'm on the opposition side that's why looking from employer side


of it ah, I don't see that more benefit that I I saw a loss in productivity uh productivity issue


I I think on that angle usually is the is the company employer employer employer have to reimburse any extra expenses that you will have to set up your home station that's assuming you need a better quality laptop with the company


uh uh, will have to look into that the other thing why is not I I also saying that is is not beneficial is that your work station in a office uh I each individual home is different I do remember when when the government say uh


for I was it a CB circuit breaker work from home uh suddenly there was a long queue at IKEA trying to buy tables and chairs and computer to set up because all along they don't need to the that the work station is actually meant, there uh


there so called uh study desk or what belong to the the children the children put the books there everything there and then suddenly you are supposed to work from home you couldn't share the small little table, so a lot of them actually and employer are not sure whether they ask you to zoom a picture of where is your workstation


ya I I I I know that I have a friend who actually work in the financial


ya, there have there have always that was a key driver for working from home uh so called the saving of of this this space space office space but then there are a a lot of other issue one is the security issue because in a computer your computer is a


allow you to access to the server for sensitive file because, your, computer in the workspace have all those uh, security uh application when when you work from home you may your your same computer could be also use your domestic serving and therefore may have uh what you call uh those uh malware coming in then


will endanger the endanger and the and I think uh the employer cannot, cannot, accept that you know accept that you have, your computer


that that means that they had to ensure to come down to your uh ensure the computer you use is the what you call uh, company, to some security standard lah but even even then, even then ah that is


but right but right now the computer you are using at home is it yours or the company one is it from the company or your personal one, you see


okay, okay the other thing okay I want to move on to the other thing is that ah when you work from home ah uh work from home uh


the long the long period you actually lack of this social interaction ah with your colleague the


so no, uh but, but there are situation ah I do find ah


ya that is from the employee aspect lah but from the employer aspect ah I think that the bonding with colleague is is critically quite important eh when I was working in a big corporation in uh Petrochina


uh even though I come to office and then we have a branch office I can tell you, even while working in the office I don't know thirty percent of the colleague, because I I they are in a finance IT audit I don't get a chance to meet them it's only during a town hall meeting


all dinner and dance then I see eh then I see uh I say I heard your name so you are so and so I used to call you on the phone so you so this is you is it, so


but I wait wait, I I see the instantaneous ah assuming you you you work on something then you you have a problem you need clarification or need verification while in the office you can straight away hop over and ask eh uh is this thing like that or how is it like that but when you working from home


okay, okay the other thing ha uh what I want to tell is that uh to think of a challenging issue which are at least what uh employer or advocate of working from home say is that there there is this blur between personal and professional life


even in term of dressing of course you work from home you not going to wear your working clothe so you tend to have this uh blurring of the professional attitude and and personal work in, behavior eh and and eh


, okay okay the other


uh professionalism you see ah I can tell you what in office, a lot of the time when you are in your own room especially when you are in your own room I'm a culprit myself that you will do a lot of unmonitored uh internet surfing for your own personal


uh personal uh at the effort I have my own room, that that is why


I I think this uh uh aversion from working from home or the from the employer side


uh after mandate by government enforcing work that can be work from home, just to just to share share, just to (ppc) agreed


but uh you see I have a I have a friend who own a business and the government because of COVID the the his colleague all work from his staff work from home then when COVID two they say can come back none of them want to come back and then they said


the they they said government said if I can work from home I continue to work from home, but then he he he as a CEO he want to see his staff he said <P2> leon </P2> I got problem I can't I can't get my staff to come back to office so I, no he solve it


no he, no he solve it he solve it that he solve it by saying that ah your year end performance uh assessment ah is based on your committed and attitude and he's trying to hint that if I don't see your face


to the office which is voluntary I will deem that you, are not committed to this organisation so the thing they come back they come back ya the other thing is uh I their


previously the one only option, previously there wasn't any option but because of the COVID uh uh may of kind of mandate or and the aversion


, I I, I I rather say that this is uh uh for certain industry because some industry some work


does not let itself to work from home, because I I I I'm a I'm a , I I I put this very simple, I have this uh property manager, in charge of the estate management he tell


ah he telling me he, no he telling me he work, from home then I said you work from home can you tell me you need to do site inspection you show me how you do site inspection working from home uh there he cannot answer I said okay fair enough


uh, I say no you your job have to be on site you cannot work from home and then he he came back, he came back uh because some people just take advantage oh government said can work from home


okay my, my stand my stand is that uh with the advance technology with a lot of surveillance camera or even technology platform working from home is becoming viable but what I'm trying to tell is that the lack of this human interface touch ah human touch ah is still there cannot be resolved by technology


but however uh uh, it look like the the new norms even globally or even singapore the employer previously you don't want to work from home find that it can be done ya


mine also just press, part one debate topic one


the ban on organ trading should be lifted, within singapore


this is what I propose, you must do the talking like opposition ah what are the reasons ah


the I feel that the ban should be lifted, because some emergencies ah people, in need ah can their relatives can buy from overseas


and do the transplant in singapore, if not they cannot find the suitable organ and then they have to go oversea for, for operation, if they find the find a suitable organ ah, so I think should be lifted and then uh whoever


uh need it ah they can do they have other options


no still you see ah the queue is still long, for any organs in singapore, so some time, the, the dying party ha cannot wait you know, so uh, so I feel ah should be


the ban should be lifted


ya that will happen but then but, also ha those people dying ah they cannot find a suitable organ ah, if singapore do this ah, , ya so there's no option for them


I know there are pros and cons but then those dying ha I still feel hor our singapore hor government should, lift it lift the ban, because uh because those dying ha their cure may not be out yet no


so they have to go to overseas, for operation, it's very troublesome, and then the organ they found hor, uh maybe in india and then, you know india ha I'm sure singaporean don't trust the indian doctors ah


I don't think that way so, everyone got their own thinking ah


time the the person die ah they may not wait for the organ no, there is no suitable organ for the


those people who think this way they must also have the money lah, because ah even they they are put on queue they may not get the organ if they don't want to take care of their health ah that's their problem


okay <P2> eng seng </P2> we I want to propose the next point ya you can talk on uh, having a legal market mechanism also help to reduce the black market for organs, which is a more dangerous


maybe uh maybe those people can get permission from our government, uh, and they lift the the ban and then uh if they really need the organ and then uh, if it's approved, then can be transported here


uh, then uh there won't be any fine ah on the people ah


okay uh the next point ah <P2> eng seng </P2> ah there is, you see to meet the needs ah, for organs in singapore ha, maybe, there there should be a clear and strict legal framework lah from the government ah, err


see we still we are still ha in need of all the organs ah so uh uh uh there are a lot of people just die without the organ no, those people who cannot go cannot afford overseas, expenses ah the poor will just die that way ah


no if you don't sign up the opt opt out form ah, your organs will be automatically be used uh those usable organs ah will be used, ya, but it's still not enough in singapore ha


accidents maybe some of the organs will be damaged also


there are those people already the kidney is damaged ah, no no point taking care already so they need transplant my my my ya my own brother also waited for the heart ah he couldn't get it he passed away at the age of forty seven


he has been he has been waiting for years in singapore, we cannot afford ha to bring him overseas and all that


no all these bans are for emergencies, in that is happening now the organs are already damaged ah


okay <P2> eng seng </P2> we only left with half a minute or so ha uh is there any more points you want to


my conclusion is uh still have uh have uh should be lifted ah, so that there is option for those dying patients ah


so we can uh stop the recording, okay okay


thumbs up and clap , okay uh, part two, ya debate topic two a drug should be developed to allow humans to live forever


so what what do you uh propose


ya if the drug ha, uh to make us uh come, uh, it can make us look young, at the same time hor then I don't mind to live forever you see, if the drug ha only ha


only ha goes uh for certain area ha to let us live on ah I don't think I want to live so long


sometime malfunction of some organs ya


burden to the children


have been researching the last three months is all the food so far ha a drug won't work for humans


maybe the food now lah everyone should uh do something about their diet


even I propose this about this drug uh, I tell you by the time we die ha this drug ha is still not finalised this has been going on since how many hundreds of centuries ago you know, in china even in china ha uh all the old last time all those people ha has been


looking for <mandarin>仙丹:xian dan</mandarin> ah <mandarin>仙丹:xian dan</mandarin> they call it ah is


yes but if scientists ah is able to produce this drug ah it will be a good revenue for every countries, all over the world all countries


but they have to make it affordable lah


it's not fair also ah just only to give to people like #lee kuan yew# only also must give to common people !huh!


but uh it's up to the individual whether they want to purchase if the drug is there available it's up to them whether they want to live on or not, beggars, I don't think they want to extend their life


even they develop this kind of drug it will be very very expensive ah, by the time by that time


for me I think uh, the drug ha if the scientists developed the drug ah I hope the drug will make me look young all my organs functioning then I will buy it, uh to to live longer !huh!


no but this drug may make me look young and live carry the drug ha to live forever mah this drug definitely will make us healthy too


ya lah for time being that's why last few months I have been researching ah what are the food these people that live hundred over years old ah uh from china and from japan yes yes okay okay


ya thumbs up , part three debate topic three, uh working from home offers more benefits


for me I do because I'm working from home first thing I save on travelling time already


travelling time every day I saved up two hours


no I I I don't agree with this, I find, ya my in fact my productivity is, better uh, I put in maybe extra sometime extra one hour two hours for urgent


for urgent work that is needed, it my I take my travelling time, uh to put into my work


no if you don't produce work, employee will know uh employer will know


no uh I'm very disappear I don't agree with that for myself, uh I work until five thirty I try to log off five, thirty unless ah there are, there are urgent stuff, so far I work from home there are urgent stuff maybe uh only a few times so I strictly I stick to my working hours


eight thirty to five thirty is, ya so uh, if you cannot discipline yourself ah even you go to the office ah you'll be wasting a lot of time chit chat with all your colleagues you know uh


go pantry and spend a lot of time wasting ha go here and, there go toilet many times , then uh if they are not they are not producing work and then they will be dispelled


no but we, we even before this COVID, uh, sometimes we work from home, we are we just produce our work, if we don't produce our employer will know


and first thing ah when we work from home, uh because for my office ah we don't have enough ah work station, so for for the past three years ah we have been practicing this already


and it and it works very well


I don't agree uh because ah some of my colleagues they have young children they love it because they can oversee what the children doing every day


no you see when you work from I don't agree you know when you ha work from home ha uh, sometimes ah you can kill your hours you know when the children are resting you know then uh you do the do some of the more important work ah


that uh, cannot have be distracted no it's okay you can kill your hours ah


that's the benefit of uh working from home we can adjust our lifestyle, we have to stick to the strict uh nine to five you know


there's no loss imposed so far we have been practicing for about three years ah there's no loss of productivity, so far for my company, no loss at all, and then now we have uh I think the government uh want to subsidise the bill the what the cover


electric bills I think something like that no, I don't know whether is uh, uh effective yet ah, I think can be claimed


some employers are do subsidise uh some of these items, like my company they do uh they give us two hundred dollars to go and buy some items that we need to work from home, ya and


and you work from home uh even for the future the the employer, they can cut down on this rental of space you know they can uh stream down maybe by half, I think, I think benefit the employer and the employee


I mean uh they can be given the option to either work from home or, or uh report to office ah every day, so so


no uh I don't agree with this uh, got uh the, the IT department can set some rulings and restrictions


I think all along ha most company ha computers ah all the laptops of employees ah, there are some restrictions


uh this one I'm using honestly speaking is from my, company, no we have a lot of restrictions no we have a lot of restrictions already but because ah we have a lot of meetings ah we have to go here and there so


so uh we are allowed for this kind of uh


no I don't agree after after office hours you want to have your social life ah you can can go out and all that because now is COVID ah uh but now already, start to open phase two and then coming to phase three later on


is, you see there's another benefits ah you see I save, I save about hundred and twenty, uh on my MRT fare every every month you know, for the past few months


don't agree with this you know you see ha life is so work is so busy you know you think you have time to go and socialise in the office to go and, get to know everyone once a while when you have all this kind of events ah ah then you get to know them is in good enough what then then uh ya then


then next time you know who are they already, you don't have to you know


no we we for for I don't agree because ah we we ha have this live chats ah, we have any problem we we just email we live chat we phone call our colleagues ah, so we I don't see any any problem leh


no when when for for us when we it's up to individual your your own projection of yourself if you are meeting clients, and you're meeting over this ah of, course you have to call uh (uh huh) do up do up a bit put on some make up you know dress


dress up a bit ah, because they will be seeing each other, the professionalism is still there I feel that


this is a uh uh uh character problem uh discipline and character problem of a employee already this kind of employee should be should be shot already, for us whether I work from home I'll or, in fact ha uh most of the time we report for work ah before the COVID ah


so now even I at this right the past three month is hundred percent at home ah


why the government ha uh asked all the company to speed up all their technology during the COVID period no so that all the they will be fined they will be fined no if they don't allow employees to work from


no this uh very easy to, to saw it just uh say we have meetings ya, ya all compulsory got to meet after the COVID ah uh uh whichever day, ya, so all the staff were


I I I feel that employers ah should give all style employees uh, a chart uh option to choose, whether to work from home, or every day report to the office ah


no no no my my employer hor practice uh this option uh not option I mean they allow, certain days certain days ah we can work from home even before COVID, I think all employees ah employers ah should practice that way


correct correct no they had they can do a way like uh, they can do a roster roster


oh of course that one, cannot but they can shuffle reshuffle


yes <P2>eng seng</P2> we have only uh half a minute so, for me I conclude that ha I still ha hands thumb up and hands up, for uh working from home, offers more benefits


ya still can be done yes


part one debate topic one, okay so uh for this topic technology create more problems than benefit for society my point is there's more it creates more problem than benefits uh the first part I want to brace is


it leads to reduced quality of face to face interaction between uh human beings for instance like, uh during dining in between two parties or even more parties in a group, uh there's dependency for individuals wi~within the group to constantly check on their social media accounts or


do anything related to their phones like uh check on messages check on instagram facebook anything so this is a huge problem in our society right now because, uh there's less opportunities for them to mingle around it uh have some intimate conversations between both parties


yes okay


okay okay uh any any other points you want to bring up okay


yes uh but the thing about uh automation is that it reduces the uh number of jobs available especially for those are involving repetitive tasks for instance like, uh uh what's that, err


yes factory workers uh even transportation goods like for example amazon they use uh there are adopting uh automation which is good for society however because of that people who uh do the transportation jobs like transporting goods from one place to another they lose their jobs and this results in higher unemployment


within the society itself which can also lower the standard of living, between them and yes most mostly it's about unemployment being increase with automation introduced


okay, yes uh okay so for technology like the focus of the focus of technology I would like to bring about is social media which has distorted the perception of how uh certain events or how you act look or behave in society


how you are supposed to act look or behave in society, for instance like the black uh black lives matter movement recently it has err it has incited many uh hateful remarks against policemen generally all policemen not only those that have, uh even even for those that have not uh shown any aggression towards black people then


, this thing over uh it, it drops the overall uh society's morale because everyone is so persistent that policeman uh as a as a bad as a very bad way of treating all the


all black people like the, if it stops the perception of how society views uh a policemen and another point I want to bring about is like for example instagram uh there are a lot influencers which owns uh body shapes which are insanely


anorexic or those with huge disproportions in their in the way their body, looks then this promotes other people like peasants who view their instagrams uh story, instagram pictures you'll have the mindset of following suit which can lead to anorexia bulimia or even going through surgeries to uh make their body shape look better


yes but uh okay I want to uh point out ah in the society has uh how do you say


uh yes enhance the, the negative implications towards uh the policemen yes uh because a lot of people keep emphasizing on the fact that they are abusing black lives not only like you can be seen through newspapers but uh news or newspapers but


uh social media really enhance the uh aspect of it


(mmhmm) okay


yes uh but the thing about uh using technology for instance uh on the hand eye coordination thing you you mentioned about is that children who to tend to have uh over reliance on all those devices


and as a result they can use uh they are more inclined to using that as an excuse to play video games which is very prevalent between teenagers at our age especially and yes


yes (ah) but the thing is to what extent is the improvement of hand eye coordination beneficial to their way their form of learning


because currently in the the rates of people being addicted to video games are way higher than those who use it as a form of education means and the fault and the, for instance you have mention uh like FPS games first player shooter games it only applies


to, uh, it's only beneficial to games particularly I don't feel that it really benefits your way of learning or uh like for instance improving your critical thinking skills or problem solving skills which is crucial in today's day and age uh especially


uh when preparing for job interviews or anything that is relevant to your uh yes your future your job search yes something like yes


yes fair enough uh but the thing about uh improving convenience in terms of uh spending is that it promotes uh it promotes spending of your finances and it also leads to people having poorer financial decisions like


uh with the ease with the accessibility of shopee uh taobao all your goods that can be purchased online, and with all the uh advertisements that promotes spending people are more inclined to purchase such items uh without thinking or without


uh having to look at their because uh for instance like looking using paynow is so easy you can just use paynow uh paynow or paylah app just purchase it without, uh okay so basically you won't give a second thought to whether you have sufficient funds in your bank so in my opinion it leads


to more problems because it lowers your uh financial uh decisions


yes I okay that that's a valid point but uh in order for this such instances to occur I i feel that there is a need or financial literacy uh there's a need for schools to promote like education regarding how to manage your finance uh more advertisement involving


uh introduction of such apps applications if not uh without all the with all this technology in place but people not being aware of it is a , lesser likelihood of people using it and as a result uh having more expenditure regardless


okay uh do are we supposed to wrap things up, oh, [orh], my final point okay uh even though uh that technology has its own benefits and problems I believe there are there's a need for certain measure to be put in place so that people don't get over reliant on technology they don't


go overboard reducing it and they will they will learn how to manage uh take full use of technology into their and how to integrate them into their daily lives


part two debate topic two okay so for this topic scientific research should not be constrained by ethical concerns I believe it should not be uh constraint


because scientific research has many benefits that can greatly vastly improve the lives of human beings uh in the aspect of medical research for example stem cell research has shown to uh pro stem cell research has many potential benefits that


can uh help people with uh for for instance kidney failure or uh those requiring any organ transplant stem cell research can be used to, replicate those uh organs so that instead of waiting for an organ donor which can take very long as depending on the


severity of uh one's illness to being instantaneous just by using uh stem cell research but the the thing about using stem cell research which has raised many ethical concerns is that, uh for instance the embryonic stem cells which is the which is uh used which is derived from embryos people argue that uh they shouldn't destroy the lives of embryos which is


seen as a potential life form to help improve the well being of another individual however I think that, uh embryos which already have which are which cannot be any life form for instance those that has already been scarred or has no potential use


uh uh can, it should be used to improve the life of other people because there's already no use for them so they should use it for they should use it to treat uh other human beings


okay yes, okay uh regarding your first point about cloning uh cloning individuals and testing using them as test subjects to see their behavioural whether there's any behavioural


uh things to be observed I think that one is more of a human greed and their thirst for knowledge that has caused such such a such a such a instance, uh that's why I agree that each uh there should be ethical measures put in place but


scientific research shouldn't be constrained because of uh this minority of people that have let their greed uh, overwhelm their decision making and their


and the morales instead uh scientific research should okay uh in my opinion uh scientific research in currently at age not talking about the past


it's actually heavily constrained cause uh for instance like genetic engineering uh where, people say we shouldn't use uh we shouldn't reverse engineer and change the DNA of our genes because we are technically acting like god and using such using such technology will make us


invulnerable as uh as men mankind such instances I think is uh not a valid point to not a valid ethical concern to be raised because, uh genetic uh genetic diseases such as down syndrome or sickle cell anemia which can


which has a potential of been cured using genetic engineering should be promoted and used used uh widely in the world today because there's so much potential to increase, and improve the health the well being of all mankind then uh another point you brought up was


about the yes nuclear research I think it's not what about scientific research that he's being constrained but uh this one is more has more to do with political, uh


ten political tensions between different countries, then uh they're justifying their scientific research with, they are like they're justifying their means to to doing such scientific research as


uh, a way to prevent their warfare from being compromised, but that's what if one country doesn't research on nuclear weapons the other this country will lose out to other countries


so, so in my opinion it it's not really of an ethical concern to say but more of a political aspect


yes okay uh anyways for the scientific research , uh okay you can in terms of the medical industry right uh many people say many people like uh they do medical researches on how to improve the well being of a person how to cure certain diseases but in reality if you want to test whether


one treatment method really works you have to test it on uh an actual human being instead of testing it on like some hamster or some test subjects which is not not not human ah like if you really check test the effectiveness


uh you have to test it on a actual human being and that's why there's uh many err and there's many forms being distributed to test subjects human test subjects to check to see whether they are willing to go through such uh scientific


uh, like being tested for uh to check to see whether their scientific research has progressed, uh, progress properly ah or has been developed correctly, so


this, this instance of them going through all the hassle like go uh good like doing the forms to see whether they are, willing to it really constraints and limits the potential of scientific research


you got any more points, ,


okay is uh but for the you don't know that bananas in the past were like very small very are minuscule they, provide very little vitamins uh contain mostly sugars but because of GM foods banana is one of them that has currently


uh, they in increase the size of it they increase the vitamin the nutritional value of it , and this these are examples of uh GM foods which actually are beneficial and they do not post of as much of a risk compared to those that you have suggest


but uh, the (hmm) the point that you brought up is not really ethical concerns it's more of the cons of or the yes the cons of all of the genetic modified food


which is which is inevitable in my opinion uh that's why that, there is a need for further research to ensure that, uh such curbs doesn't, pose impose long uh long term issues long term health issues to any one of


any person consuming it and it needs to be approved by uh by relevant agencies and authorities to before it can be deployed in uh before it can be sold in the market basically


okay uh okay I just sum it all up in my opinion okay in my opinion scientific research should not be constrained for ethical concerns as the potential uh as the uh the potential for mankind to advance forward


is uh very significant very, very great , but there should still be some ethical boundaries to avoid extreme cases for instance uh what you mentioned the cloning


the uh abuse or the, uh the abuse of power using nuclear warfare, uh there should be some moral boundaries set in place so that people don't overstep those boundaries


okay yeah


part three debate topic three, okay so for this one marijuana owner should be legalised my stand is marijuana should be legalised because marijuana will greatly broaden the scope of medical coverage within hospitals which can vastly improve the standard of living of the country that legalises marijuana


uh uh, first thing I want to point out is there is a letter uh sent from the world health organisation WHO , to the secretary general of united states on january twenty twenty fourth twenty nineteen this letter uh said that


an expert committee conclusion that cannabis and cannabinoids derived from the marijuana plants are relatively low risk and carried positive health benefits including pain reduction improvement to motor functions in patients with Parkinson's and is proven to


alleviate pain hence I think, in my opinion marijuana has a lot of potential benefits to has a lot of potential to be used in the medical industry to improve the well being of people uh one example is marijuana can be


used uh can be used to treat nausea resulting from cancer chemotherapy or can also be used to temporarily control muscle spasms uh from multiple sclerosis which is a symptom, uh that affects the brain and spinal cord of patients uh having the symptom


so this this point uh this points out that marijuana has a lot of uh medical usage in hospitals which can be which can be a great help to those err countries that legalises marijuana


okay but the thing about okay okay noted on the point uh but from a blog published by Harvard's medical schools it stated that one of the components of marijuana namely cannabidiol which is often term as CBD I'll just use CBD as the term


uh has little to, no intoxicating properties which is uh the intoxicating properties is THC which is the main chemical for causing the high feeling that we all experience so this goes to show that by selecting uh certain strains or the specific strains of marijuana with


CBD uh, predominantly inside the marijuana strain we can limit the amount of uh you can reduce the number of people getting high from from the use of marijuana so like uh we only legalise the use of


CBD dominant marijuana within the, within the country so that people won't get high so easily and it can still uh benefit the uh medical medical industry as you can use to it can be used for medical treatments and so on


uh just now you pointed out that, uh marijuana has some has very little to no impact on the economy but the thing is now marijuana is is already being illegally brought in by illegal uh drug smugglers


and all this is not paying included within your government uh revenue which is taxes so, uh there is already imports of marijuana under the table the people that are go pass the system to get hold of this drug so if you legalise marijuana that's a potential


there's a potential revenue you can get out of it rather than there being none at all and was the point they brought up, increased okay yes increased in use uh you must understand that the current state of things is that


uh alcohol is also as damaging or even more damaging than uh marijuana alcohol can also can also provide the same high feeling can also intoxicate you uh but and also even damages your liver however marijuana has little to no


uh health implications other than making you high and intoxicated for a short period of time so if you think about it is it's you it's like comparing the same uh severity of the drugs


both are but marijuana is not as bad as alcohol so I think marijuana should be legalised or all the, positive health benefits it could bring uh we should still impose certain restrictions so that people don't get too much of it and abused the marijuana legalisation


okay yes uh but, okay we shouldn't be looking at marijuana providing uh boosting the using marijuana as opposed to the economy but okay yes that's that's a valid


point uh regarding , regarding the point about teenagers uh using it very frequently I think it's uh it's a human rights thing cause


uh people who consumed alcohol they also is there is also they are also given a choice whether they want, to drink or uh whether they want to consume alcohol for the sake of it for the fun of it uh, even though they know that there are certain health implications but they are willing to take that risk so I I believe that marijuana should also be given a


chance give so that people will have the ability to try it out but there should really be government, government policies and legislations to limit the use of such uh goods and I really think that marijuana legalisation should


shouldn't be available in any drug store any uh convenience store that you can find in but only found in uh hospitals or pharmacies that have been given the authority to dispense such uh


such a such a drug so if you are able to limit the the access of marijuana I think generally, provide way more benefit than harms when it comes to legal uh legalizing it in your country


ah I see okay shall we wrap up okay uh, for okay my point is that uh there really is a lot of potential health benefits in uh, legalising marijuana uh for instance


many are uh pain inflicting symptoms or many uh genetic genetic diseases for instance uh , uh childhood epilepsy called dravet syndrome uh it's usually impossible to control but


when exposed to uh specific strain of marijuana called Charlotte's web, uh they've shown effects of dramatically reducing the epilepsy the the intensity of the epilepsy so I think uh by allowing it to be used in uh hospitals


that can really be a huge impact in how we treat and how we improve the well being of our patients to ensure that they, do not feel as much pain uh after certain treatment like chemotherapy or uh those with Parkinson disease uh and


it can and we can really yeah just improve the help the standard of living of these people these patients, yeah


, okay still,


ya I think uh, I think marijuana legalisation should come with uh strict government measures to ensure that people don't abuse it too much ah and only some can use it


part one debate topic one


okay so uh for this topic I'm the opposition so I'm suppose so for the to counter what you, didn't said he said that it will decrease the quality of interactions between friends and family however I would like to counter it by saying that it actually increases the closeness between friends and families for example we can look at the current COVID nineteen uh pandemic whereby we are forced to actually stay at home and


being uh confined in our own homes we are starting to tap on, websites such as skype such as zoom to begin uh chatting with friends chatting with family members and through this right we can actually interact more with uh our family members and even and with skype and uh zoom we can actually


play games that are like multi players online or even perhaps uh come up with something innovative and talk to each other because after all we are all on our computer during this period and even if we're not on the COVID uh pandemic on a normal day it's true that what you just said


we can sometimes we are uh checking our instagram checking our facebook while we eat with friends but after all when, we are like at home or when we are when we are at home, sometimes we'll also want to like skype with our friends and


skype with our friends lah which will increase the closeness and it doesn't really compromise on the quality of the relationship, yes, uh yes for for another point that I want to bring up is that technology provides more benefits for the society through the economic production whereby if we look at uh the aspect of automation it allows for a repetitive work to be done quickly and efficiently


therefore allowing greater accuracy and lowering the labour cost, with these right it will increase it will allow production to increase generating more profit satisfying more people and hence by decreasing all the all the labour cost we are able to increase our uh economic benefits economic productions


and thus benefit the society greatly by increasing the overall country's GDP, yes


factory workers


okay, uh , okay do you have any other points you would like to bring up


(mmhmm)


okay


alright, okay so uh to counter your point first of all uh talking about the social, media part of it whereby the policemen are actually uh targeted as the as the main source of for the uh black live matter movement lah however I would like to raise that technology causes the people to


uh to be opened to, this concept of uh racism against the black community whereby they are actually fighting for benefits for the black people they're not only uh targeting policemen they're actually targeting everyone so


even though even though it is true that some of the innocent policemen who are just doing their job are being targeted it is uh it is not true that all of them or most of them are being targeted we should look at the, big picture of the whole subject that is going on whereby we are trying to create equality we are trying to create our fairness for this for this uh


under whereby for these minority groups lah which are the black community and, it is through technology these events whereby people are coming out with uh where people are coming out with days whereby they are trying to encourage


encourage others to purchase from, black own shops where they're trying to encourage others to donate or watch youtube videos to basically donate to the movement and hence allowing everyone to know that racism is actually something that can tear the can tear the social fabric of the society and to


uh yes, , the, policemen right


uh okay I'll like to disagree with that because it it the social media doesn't enhance people's perception against the policeman social media basic just shows like videos whereby those uh policeman who are doing their jobs those who are basically abusing their power


whereby they are uh whereby they are, tazing people or uh shooting people without, without even facing any threats and it it is good that the social media is using it's actually concentrating on such events so that


it actually opens people eyes to start to start to investigate what's going on in the US to start to investigate who is to start to investigate who is actually responsible behind this behind this uh, behind this abuse of power ah by the police


yes and the single point that you said about social media is that where they use instagrams and, err, showing off bodies which are distorted or like altered to an extreme measure


uh I would agree that there are people doing that for, there there are people posting such uh content on social media however I do not believe that it's that huge of an impact to cause uh to cause a problem for society because it's only a selected few that a selected few that actually


a selected few that actually uh carry out such actions ah it and because of this selected few we shouldn't let it we shouldn't let it uh, cover eh we shouldn't let it over what's the word


(mmhmm) we shouldn't we shouldn't be focusing on such days and but instead focus on the benefits of social media whereby people are showing off their skills people are showing off their talents, and it and there are a lot of programs like television shows or even apps whereby apps like simply piano


whereby they are encouraging their children to, their children to learn piano through that online platform and cater to the needs of their children and tailor it to their to their preferences, and not only that uh with the usage of instagram people are posting out dance moves remixes


uh all kinds of different other talents that people can actually pick up and learn and discover there's themselves which is a huge benefit to the society as people are curious about themselves and always want to enhance themselves, and not only that uh with technology


uh it allows and I'm talking about children right here whereby it provides benefits for them as they can improve their hand eye coordination these , their hand eye coordination because the eye tracking will improve with technology as they use their their eyes to follow objects on the screen or participate in application activities


therefore uh studies have shown that it will allow better reading and writing while in school because to because the children are accustomed to using their hands and eyes as ways to communicate, and understand yes


, yes, uh it is true that they are actually some of some of them or rather most of them where they have a lack of uh self control they may start to a deviate from their main task and start to play games but


games like first person shooters games like uh MOBA it also helps to improve their hand eye coordination whereby they have to find the enemy target the enemy at the same time without looking at their hands and uh shoot a and press the mouse hence


despite there being uh difference despite there being uh, a deviation from their education we cannot disprove the fact that it improve their hand eye coordination, yes


alright


future , alright okay, then okay moving away from the uh from the children's education I would like to bring out our last point which is that, technology actually allows for greater convenience for everyone because first of all is technology such as your ATM machines whereby in the past you will have to go to the bank you have to uh wait in a queue and then start to


communicate with the bank associates before you can get your money, but however now with uh ATM cash machines it's actually a very simple way for you to just go to the machine tap on whatever you need and get your cash and not only that technology actually allows uh payment of fines of bills to be a lot easier as compared to the past


it's the same concept as the ATM machines whereby you just have to go to the machine click on what you have to uh click on what you have to pay and then, and then from there on it it'll just be a much more pleasant experience for people in general and save up and save their time to do something more productive later on


alright, stability, right okay so to uh counter that point whereby you whereby uh you said that it actually increases people's spending and uh with the with this convenience it actually increases people spending lah however I would


I would still say that it, yes yes this convenience will, uh put people to buy more however it's there are also apps online whereby people can actually use it where people can actually uh check their money much more easier rather than pulling out an excel sheet learning all the formulas to formulas to actually collect whatever their spends on wherever they have earned


we have apps such as uh money lover on the iphone whereby you can input in your monthly salary you then you can input your daily expenses and check your expenses from there so despite there being a convenience in purchasing online or a convenience in actually


taking money out from the ATM machines you are you actually also gain their convenience to track your money, from the ease of your phone without having to write down any kinds of uh bank account eh any kinds of statements any kind of journals


you can just simply tap on your phone and see and look at the balance and then from there on calculate budget yourself and thus promoting a much more a much better uh spending habit from there


okay but uh, yes it is true that schools need to uh come up with such, school need to come up with financial uh planning lessons for students and it, and they and with technology there will be there are already online lessons that are being carried out and some of them are actually out of curriculum whereby students can actually


enter the sites such as E learning through to learn this, to learn this uh life skills where they can apply it in the future then through online lesson it may be even better than uh class lesson whereby they have a much more interactive way to engage the students or even children in learning


by using pictures diagrams cartoons to allow them, uh to deliver the content, better such and then for example some sites in singapore eh the some sites that are used in singapore are like E learning whereby contents of topics are actually out there for you already for you and then they're are being delivered in appropriate


appropriate mediums such as cartoons for lower primary second lower primary students and uh perhaps even graphs or lectures for higher level education students, okay yeah I think so yeah


how we're going to do this okay come say your final point


K uh for me is technology actually I do agree that it it provides more benefit to the society by looking at the fact that they actually provide more convenience provide, more uh provide more, economic benefits to to the society in general and even for children it allows them to develop skills and talents to improve to to develop skills and talents lah it is true that


uh more self control is needed however I believe as technology further advances this self controls can be better manage and hence allowing more benefits to be created yes


part two debate topic two


okay so uh I'm arguing that it should be constrained by ethical research eh ethical concern, uh eugene you brought up the point that it actually uh by not being constricted with ethical concern it can greatly benefit in terms of health care through the use of things such as uh stem cell research


however I still believe that certain constraints should be in place certain constraints by ethical concerns should be still in place, to ensure to keep people in to keep people in uh, basically not to let them go wild lah


it is true that your stem cell research you can use things such as your embryos which are like no longer already no longer useful but then if we look at things such as in the world war two you have doctors going you have doctors, uh taking out your doctor's experimenting on twins to see if they have any to see if they have any correlation to each other whereby one would be tortured and then the other would be observed


and I believe that there should be a, ethical they they should be constrained by ethical concern because during that period of time a lot of twins are being a lot of twins are being tortured by the nazis and is actually something that is very upsetting and something that


that shouldn't happen lah so it is true, that to a certain extent we should we should uh we shouldn't be constrained but there must be some rules in place there must be some rules by in ethical wise to make sure that people are being are being uh kept


people are not being let wild ah and second point I would like to bring is that scientific research should be done in in the, with the goal of benefiting mankind in mind, for another another example I'd like to bring up is that in world war two there have been scientific research done to create things such as the nuclear bomb such as the such as the nuclear bomb


in whereby it is true that it benefits the US benefits the rest of the world whereby they actually stop the war stop japan from actually invading eh stopped japan's uh actions from further causing sufferings to other people however


if we if we look at it on the japanese side of the story you have one nuclear bomb that dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki whereby thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people are killed are they actually celebrating the end of war no there are actually mourning and


whereby they're just civilians having nothing to do with the war having their families massacred having their friends and friends and families both massacred whereby they didn't even do anything so there must be some ethical concerns being


uh put in place to ensure that people are keep intact and, even even as I'm speaking now nuclear technologies are continuing to uh continuing to be develop whereby things such as the tsar bomb are capable of actually destroying a large area of a large area of mass lah so


a large area of mass so we must have ethical, uh concerns being raised up to these countries being raised up to scientists to make sure that, these weapons or even these deterrence


should be done should, should be just acting as a deterrence and not be deployed, as it can cause uh major extinction and even events such as a nuclear winter where we do not want it to happen


yes, yes


nuclear research


okay, alright , okay


okay can uh okay for your first point regarding my uh regarding the cloning and uh, the usage of twins in, in uh scientific research eh, eh I believe that


even though it will greatly benefit the mass population and even though they are just minorities like twins I believe that we have we are still, are protected by these thing known as the human right we are where we're not allowed to actually


uh conduct such research on this people even despite being minorities despite being just a small portion of the population we shouldn't be we shouldn't be sacrificing a small population to benefit to benefit the rest of the world it is true that


it is true that uh, doing so actually helps to protect and everything but, human rights as human rights should still be in place for such for such uh, to prevent


the twins from getting, prevent twins prevent people from being cloned and from being clone unwillingly ah so there must still be certain ethical concerns being uh put in place to ensure that scientific research is not


it's not being scientific research is not being abused, and then for your second point about uh nuclear, about the discovering of nuclear weapons and everything being a political view yes indeed it is a political view I agree with that because uh countries people actually not even countries are having tensions with each other


are debating whether they should have land debating whether they are they should have, uh rule over the, there are theory or not however, this is this scientific research should be kept in place with with the


because you have to have the research to take place before the final product can actually be part of the political uh political standpoint such as you cannot have one country developing nuclear weapon like you can develop a hundred of it but what if they only causes a small small explosion compared to another country like


uh russia coming up with the uh thing such as the tsar bomb that can annihilate the whole of singapore by just dropping it at the at a centre of singapore so, there must be still certain kinds of ethical, uh concerns to make sure that this scientific research are being constricted are being constrained make sure that people do not uh start to


start to come up with things that can actually cause a genocide cause a, a global extinction of certain species and second and the second thing I'll and the third thing sorry that I would like to bring up is that you're either that uh people altering their their gene cells may be playing maybe playing god uh


for that point it is more of I do not think that is a ethical concern is more of a moral thing, whereby people do not want to people do not want to act like a god so, just in case that to make sure that we are actually protected from diseases lah uh yes


, yes


okay


, uh yes so scientific research right, okay it should be constrained by ethical reasons because uh likewise like what I said just now that you you have human rights in place for the people and that


uh people should be kept in check to ensure that they do not cause things such as the mass genocide and another thing I'd like to bring is actually things such as the genetically modified crops so it is true that genetically modified crops provide uh certain benefits such as for example your


your rice of a certain species actually provides more vitamin vitamin B if I'm not wrong compared to others for compare to other grains of rice however uh there are certain research that has being shown that, by carrying out such uh scientific researches or uh altering the genes of these crops you can actually


cause uh side effects on the human body on the human health and hence, and hence with this in mind right we should be before actually any scientific research is being carried out or even after they have been carried out or put in place they should still be constrained by ethical reasons by seeing whether they actually cause harm to people


more harm than good to people like it is no point there is no point in someone having like getting more vitamins getting more minerals, but then in the end uh having a side effect that cause them to struggle that cause them to suffer


for a long, suffer in the long run ah and hence their things such as their, uh movements and uh campaigns out there they're trying discouraging the use of genetically modified crops ah


okay, Janan


right, (ppc)


(mmhmm), okay do you have any other points to bring up


sure


okay uh for for me is that in my, in my in conclusion uh scientific research should still be constrained by ethical concerns because uh first things first is that we have


uh human rights in place to actually protect the people to protect uh to protect basically any living things making making sure that none of us are actually uh being abused or exploited even for things that could benefit the benefit the mass and secondly is because ethical concerns should be


put in place to keep people in check making sure like what you said that, uh that people are, making sure that people are not using it and causing fear or a threat to other people


causing fear occurred to us yes and then lastly is that, uh it it we shouldn't be, compromising things eh we shouldn't be compromising human lives, or even, human lives or even uh potential lives to


to uh hope that it contains certain potential hope that it can help other people to a certain extent yes I do agree that, putting ethical constraints actually slows down the whole uh research process but I believe that this slowing down is uh important


it's a important err, it this slowing down is important to ensure that all mankind are being treated fairly yes


part three topic three,


okay


okay uh so uh to to counter your point whereby you say the marijuana actually provides more medical benefits uh it I do agree that they provide medical benefit however what at what cost so my stand is that marijuana should not be legalised because this is because first things first


you have it can lead to an increase in the teen use of marijuana, the american academy of pediatrics said that adverse adverse effects of teen marijuana use could include impact short term memory and decrease concentration attention span and problem solving which clearly interfere with learning and


it could also lead to altered or alterations in motor skills coordination judgment reaction time and checking abilities have also been documented lah so these these may also contribute to unintentional deaths and injuries not only that with marijuana in place it means that


there are there could be more people uh, with it being legalised more people are actually being exposed to marijuana, where whereby it also has the very important side effects of causing them to be high and what this could lead to is that it could lead to more medical emergencies whereby people are being sent to hospitals for traffic deaths from driving while being high


whereby it could lead to even uh allergic reactions it could lead to things such as uh over drug overdose and this and all these being put in place I believe that by looking at a larger scale, people are actually dying more rapidly from the legalisation of marijuana than being benefited from marijuana and


with the legalisation of marijuana the revenue being, being uh generated from this legislation actually falls far short from the cost of increase hospital visits addiction treatment, environmental damages crime workplace accidents and loss in productivity so this actually backed up by uh marijuana dot pro con dot org whereby the (ppc)


annual societal cost of alcohol which is two hundred and twenty three point five billion and tobacco of hundred and ninety three billion it far exceeds the twenty four billion in revenue that they both raise so money there are being raised from legal marijuana taxes


generally will account for less than one per cent of the states uh tax revenue so in in short there is no, uh economical benefits for the state or for the people to legalise marijuana after all it is still a drug I do believe that it


it should be used in medical treatments but it should not be legalised whereby everyone in the public are being exposed to it everyone can actually just go to a store go to a seven eleven and just ask for a pack of marijuana yes


so that that's my point,


okay, , ,


, okay


uh increase in use


okay, okay can uh I would like to counter your point whereby uh you said that marijuana has a certain component that limits people from being high as such and uh I would like to bring up uh


a point said by doctor drews pinsky, uh board certified internist and addiction medicine specialist who said that he has been treating uh cannabis addiction for twenty years when people are addicted to cannabis cocaine and alcohol the drug they have most difficult


need most difficult time giving up is actually cannabis so to counter your point from saying that alcohol and and cannabis are basically like the same medications they are actually quite different because uh according to what he said uh certified addiction medical specialist is that


uh ya marijuana actually have a greater, uh have a larger possibility for people to stay addicted to it so, with this in mind it actually causes a lot of damage to the family to the people so


by looking at the community now in uh retrospect you can you can see that uh people are being suffering from uh smoke smokers in the household people suffering from alcoholics in the household and there's really no need for us to add, another category whereby people are being uh addicted to thing to marijuana and the worst part is that marijuana is actually the most addictive drug out of these out of uh when compared to alcohol lah that since there is no uh comparison with tobacco


hence uh this this treatment since there will be a lot more effort required a lot more uh a lot more support from the government required to to actually uh ensure that people are being kept intact


and kept from being and consume the right dose of marijuana only hence I do agree that, you should uh legalised the marijuana that causes that causes less high and the marijuana that actually provide more health benefits lah however