one such example where humans actually sort of abuse that uh would actually be the microsoft AI chatbot that uh was released oh it's uh it was this chatbot that was released on twitter uh by the company Microsoft


so you know it was used uh to experiment in conversational understanding which is quite interesting when you think about it because if a robot can learn just by how we speak and pick up but a different uh nuances that that is a very that's a quite advanced in that thought in technology already


and you know this computer could actually get smarter by learning how to engage with people through casual and playful conversation, but pretty soon after the AI was launched, and people started tweeting at the robot it had learned all sorts of misogynistic racist and frankly really questionable behaviour so it really goes


exactly so I think, you know you're uh like yes it should be embraced and and you can apply to a lot of different facets of life but I think it's also how, humans will respond to it that we should take into consideration considering the fact that if it's like putting an innocent child in front of a really bad TV show are they going to absorb everything and then try to to


ya and and assumed that oh it's normal behaviour this is how humans work then the whole you know like oh my god robots are going to take over the world might actually occur so I think there's also a lot of human elements that we need to try and


uh, try and incorporate instead of it just being programming


uh I get what you're trying to say is like there's still certain nuances to human behaviour that might not necessarily be captured in, programming or algorithms or just simply numbers uh and and I do agree with you because in in uh uh in self-driving cars for example right


while it's now still being tested for, uh more uh on roads that are less uh populated with actual cars like with driving cars and more of like oh you know you just transport for maybe uh one place to another point A to point B


like I'm sure I think NUS has a self-automated uh self-driving car if I'm not mistaken , ya and you know like that's one thing that is going to take a while to to replicate in actual uh traffic in actual highway


because if you do get into an accident and this is actually something that was tested from MIT if I'm not mistaken, uh about how how what is the, moral uh the moral dilemma then that you faced if you are faced if you are a driver and you're faced with either


uh putting yourself at risk or putting someone else at risk, what is the choice that you would make and if it was a automated car some of the options that will be there would be, calculating whether or not it's a young person that you're going to hit if it's an elderly if it's a man or woman uh a woman and I think things like this would play a part into the algorithm because at the end of the day is still someone programming it and then it will boil down to


uh what does the human life actually uh equate to, ya because then later it's insurance companies that have to to do the payouts for accidents like this


ya I I I I mean like I think I understand, uh sure so it's focusing more on like how it is inevitable and either way we still need to embrace it but it's understanding what's


like how much do we embrace and if it's going to be what what are the impacts of embracing it then, ya I think it's also important to to know that it's not just about the AI itself but also the human aspect behind it so the programmers people who interact with the AI that we should take into consideration as well


I agree I agree


the simplest thing as shopping or buying


need to help up help them out as well if they need anything with a single prompting they can get whatever they need


anything technology has, improved the quality of life and in fact we are actually quite reliant on it at this point of time, err


what do you think Khazita


sudden with


and it only affect the generation that are much advance I completely agree with, that but I also, feel that and with that point I also uh feel that everything that is given to us would would give us a benefit but it also depends on what are the the the boundaries that we set and the laws that we put at to


to prevent, whatever whatever, negativity that that comes away but of course that is set that is set for the negative drawbacks that we actually can foresee and and we did bring up those that we we can't foresee until much later much further down the into a generation that we might not be around lah to to to see happen but I


how how much is enough and how much is too much


but it doesn't, it doesn't solve uh solve the situation at hand by fining it right


I also think that maybe fining would not be the third thing I think the root of it is actually, because when it it comes to, technology and living in a very technological world your voice will be heard it the feeling the the the idea of freedom of speech is quite open and so everybody is just living


their thoughts out loud so I guess, it's also the question of whether we should, filter out like, how we do in real life and how do we go about doing that and if we do that do we hit then hinder the whole idea


the thing is technology, technology cannot, can can do a lot fast but it also depends on how much we do with what we have and what we do with what we have, and how much of it is being abused and how much of the what has


what is given to us is use for for good and for evil and but I guess, but ya so I guess all of it it depends on us humans whether or not technology improved the quality of life depends on whether or not human who is using it does it for good or for bad and thus uses it to improve the quality of life or uses it


or other people or uses, it to to hinder other people's growth at or hurt other people uh in the cyberspace which lead to to their actual life


okay so I, guess my point is that technology whether technology improves the quality of, life it, depends on what the human what the person is using the technology actually does with the technology that is been given to them so my stance is that it it it definitely improves the quality of life if the person who is using it is up to improve


to use it to improve their life or, and other people like other people's lives using whatever means be it virtual or realistically but if they use it for not for the greater good and it's for it's to hinder other people's growth to to hurt other people in the ways such as cyber


bullying phishing, cheating all sorts of things then I guess technology is flawed in that sense but it's only flawed


our day to day basis daily basis our, ya our daily basis our daily activities it it depends ah it depends it it depends on how we use it for our daily activities but


externally it


speech so I feel that the whole idea of


in real life as it is it's a very


debate topic two


would you ya would


I I completely agree with you with the points that you give me but I guess the question in the debate topic is essentially is can effective farming without science happen and I guess if you think about it effective farming without science is essentially sustainable agriculture


which it's


in in in future, because with the, genetic modification that it, it does to to to humans, it it raises a lot more, harm than good and there's always the good and and potentially growing new cancer or or higher risks of cancers and


or more


feel on that that's


completely use we we are, very wasteful bunch of people but and so at the same time and crops usually perish really quickly so then why don't we just not do anything about it let it live its lifespan and I mean when crops die they do become fertilisers as well so why do we actually need to modify them in the first place maybe we should just teach how uh


maybe we should harness


that's that, makes sense as well that's true so I guess we could wrap up by saying that effective farming actually comes hand in hand with science it's how much which part of science we actually use right ya uh I feel that it's not of of this requires is


it's not of effective farming with or without, science it's it's more of a hand in hand situation that effective farming can happen with science it with the help of science aiding it into, with


you all you can always start leh, ya ya I did it as a kid too those quite fun so ya it could I mean it could be the new age gardening activity if it if it means grown your own crops sustainably


sustainably in in a country such as


so ya other than hydroponics now we also have herb gardens right in in our communities


yes, we could it but it would really depend like I said my take is that effective farming without science just doesn't really make sense for me


but it's


draw the line


I guess if any changes were to be made we would have more herbivores that assumes I feel that there is that's the way that it will be


if it whether, when people when the the the the words artificial intelligence come out people would be thinking of oh like uh a cyborg or uh a cyborg or uh a walk uh uh a talking robot that would actually take over the world of humans but I feel that that is not essentially what AI is that is that is


more of a what people call an AGI so it's uh artificial generic, intelligence which is not what we're, talking about today today we are talking about artificial intelligence and I feel


that it's inevitable because, we are already in the world where everything is AI our GPS that we use is AI the search bars that we use is AI the the cert ya the cookies in our computers they're AI that brings up the that tracks what we like and what our our recent searches our our likes or dislike all those things where they bring a a world of AI our everything technology right now it could be actually considered as AI so the the idea that it's inevitable is true because we're already living in it and even though yes you can choose not to it's everywhere around us that if if you don't participate in it you might even you might even be left behind almost so ya


right so it's a question of humanity in this the this sense whether or not if, like it's it's whether or not it's it's not moral whether or not it's inevitable it's


more of so then how much of it will actually how much of it is good, and how much of it is bad and how much of it is, too much that it takes away the human, aspects, of being human, and how much of it is actually healthy for us mentally


and spiritually as humans and I think humans are are specially in a sense that, uh we could, never be replaced by other things because that's that's the part where science cannot really copy in the part would that makes us humaner


the , human aspects the part where where there is reason that is it's not just black and white, there is reason there is question, so, and that part of human also is the part that makes us fear this sort of things right so when


electronic like electricity came up, way back, people were afraid of it cause they were very afraid of because they were afraid of what they were not they they did not know, but the thing with artificial intelligence is that, like electricity it was always a research to get better and when there is a research to get better it keep people will start to learn and more things would be more more studies would be would have been found and more understanding would come from that so which would then make us humans know the boundaries of it the boundaries of it and how much it's actually actually matter to the human and how much of it is actually very useful to the human and how much of it do we have to


stop at before, oh we have to stop ourselves from it before it actually, gets too much


what you're saying is that AI is with us but it, it's more of but we should do more than just embrace it we should (ppc) see what


uh, uh (ppc), I agree if there is it's, I'm so sorry about that I agree that AI is something that is already with us and it should


we should use it to help the, human race especially when it's very easily when it it it can easily do the things that humans require to do in in order to live day to day such as you know having a job like cleaning job but the thing is even though we even though we can use it to help us


there should be limitations, it should be embraced but, not completely right no I think we already embraced it as a society


I think we're already there especially our younger, generations very apparent with them it's more of okay once we've embraced it what now it it should not just be, taking from it we should, do something with it right we should do something


to help the for it to help the society which is actually what you said


that we don't need any more help


human intuition and


it's in a test yes with google if I'm not wrong


mean equate to, correct it's it's not only the insurance but it's also the human the the human's family right that actually bear the cost of the uh the death of their loved ones


that, I think it's not something that, AI can repay I think when it comes especially when it comes to emotions of mourning death and negativity it's these are the the the emotions that are more humanlike


could you actually imagine that, a robot feeling sad and actually, cry and mean it you know it's it will probably sounds like sob cry like


it's the emotion it's the, it's the emotions behind the it's the feelings behind the emotion that's being emoted that really brings the question of quality of life and how much of like you said the worth of it cuts so


shall we wrap up this conversation this debate


and how much of it should we embrace


topic in all three of our debates, regardless of what the, what the idea is in each of the topic it it oh it really stands to, how, the human behind the action is how


how how the how how and what the human, because it really depends, upon them on like this topic right now how much of it depends on them how much they want to embrace AI what they are going to do with the AI how they going to how they going to shape their life


which eventually shape, their future and their and their families and the generation ahead of them and, it's the same with sustainable agriculture how much of it, uh they are willing to, take on and how much of it they are willing


to sacrifice as well as, the quality of life how much of it today actually you want to take from, from it to actually help them in the quality of life, so it really depends on humans


part one debate topic one


oh uh


I don't really agree to a hundred percent agree to what you have uh said you know uh having say so there are there are some points that we need to take note of in fact uh because of this uh technology you know it's uh getting it is


actually worsen our uh quality of lives uh you know, uh, having say so say like the the uh health, okay on the on the topic of health, it's uh potentially harmful to health giving example


okay a a manufacturer GM food okay uh a soybean you know bean variety which had been engineered to resist a hybrid seed was withdrawn from sale after it was discovered that a brazil nut gene inserted into the soil


bean DNA caused an allergic reaction in people reactions, uh uh allergic to nuts


uh I I don't agree to that you know genetically modified foods are are full of chemicals okay these are very bad so, uh our bodies and all uh you know let let's go back to to the , olden days you know where people used to live you know uh naturally


uh where they take uh natural herbs you know they they're living in the jungles ah you know where when there's no much science uh scientific foods around I think they grow uh better you know they grow older better you know they're healthier


compared to to the people now human beings now we we we are full of cancers uh anywhere you know uh on our bodies so it so I I think this is the effect of the the food that we consume everyday because most of the food that we consume are


are uh processed it it it it's not uh natural it you know it doesn't comes from the nature naturally you know it it's so processed food, and and having taking all these processed food into our body it it's actually what you call your know doing harm to ourselves


and uh you know okay let let's talk about, you are you are talking about you know all all this scientific research okay but then uh you know I I can see that we are over reliant also on on all of this uh scientific or all these modern technology things uh we we over reliance you know it's like you know the the convenience has


has become so deeply entrenched in our lives that you know one day if we were to, we were robbed of this we might not find ourselves anymore you know we we are just like handicapped


well okay that may be the better side of it but then uh they are also you know uh, there are also uh some organizations or some terrorist groups that are making use of this modern technologies ya modern technologies so called modern technologies


to to creates uh you know, remote warfare, you know we we have a lot of uh, uh what you call droids you know coming out and and a lot of the just you know all these warfare is a matter of putting uh pushing a button


and and this this is so called modern technologies is getting too advanced for us to handle I I don't think uh over this side of it you know this is actually uh very bad, very bad to our, living okay uh to our well being you know to


and because of that, , no no


correct correct uh uh


there are these people that are using modern technologies to counter all the good things that we've done so far, you see okay they they are just destroying the earth destroying our civilizations destroying our lives you know all all this terrorist groups okay they they are you know they are also using this the technologies


so so you know we are we are what we're talking, now what we're talking here is that you know does modern technology always improve the quality of people lives well I I don't don't no no I I don't think so you know it's


and and and and from and be because of you know you see ah because of smartphones you know do do you know how many people's accounts been hacked into how many emails been hack into you know because of modern technologies because of smartphone


uh this is what is happening you know they they are making use of this platform to hack into your phone getting all the data your friend's numbers or families numbers your email address and even all your you know passwords lah pin numbers lah from your phone


so so modern technology does not always improve the quality of people's life


what if you been rob instead of you losing it yourself what if you you been robbed of your phones, and and because you are using so much of your phone your smartphones okay you know you you are basically implanted everything you know your your your whole into it ya ya ya correct so what what do you say about that so this will


because we we have this so called modern technologies you know okay like to say ya I do agree that you need help to take care of our own belongings but then on the other hand, people are making use of this you know they they wanted just wanted to rob you of your phone and they're


questions is question is how soon can you make a report question is how soon you know they they are just


and they are this experts ah so called experts or specialists ah you know they they can I mean download everything within seconds from your, phone ya so it just you know maybe you're not too fast to catch up


like I say you know you won't no like I say you know you you're not fast enough to do that even if you lose it or you you Kena rob from it or what ya and and


the iris correct ya the iris ya but then it's okay correct correct, I do understand but then the question now is does modern technology always improve the quality of people's life


I am not hundred percent agreeable to the question here you know it does not always improve the quality of people's life sometimes I will say it endanger people's lives you know because of modern technology


the very first you know modern technology that we have seen so far and it's very devastating you know it is the uh uh Hiroshima bombing okay that that is the so called uh uh, first atomic bomb, that that's been generated okay so it it's actually


correct then then then no okay, no when you're back into your forties you will say that is the modern technologies okay now you are living in the twenties uh twentieth century of course it's not the modern technologies anymore okay it is history but then when you're back in the forties


that is so called modern technologies so it's actually killing you know correct


that is part of the so called modern technologies back then the atom bomb is the modern technologies but then ah in the future it will be a one okay and and it will be cyclone or it will be droid flying over over you dropping bombs on you you know


without anyone ya (ppc) actually without anyone controlling it physically controlling it you know it's just a touch of a button from your PC, you're able to bomb your neighbour you know if it droid, you've got it those uh modern technologies future will come so it's not really uh uh going to improve the quality of people's life


part two debate topic two


uh no on the powerpoint no, okay so let's say uh sustainable farming


then we are talking about sustainable farming you know okay I am talking about sustainable farming and you are talking about in a farming with science ya


ya ya ya I disagree


is effective farming possible without science so you're saying yes okay


so I am saying no [orh] okay ya okay then we start


I think my side I think my side you you hold on for a while !huh!


no it it it could be anything you know it's not only about the yield or the the product the productions you know the crop productions itself but then you know because of science ya so we we have uh generated for ourselves or or uh manufactured for ourselves a a lot of use


useful tools that helps us in farming okay like you have mentioned just now we are talking about tractors okay and then we are talking about bulldozers, all all these are effective tools that we can use to harvest our crops so so it is actually you know it is a very good tools to actually uh uh you know provide us uh a better way of farming you see


so besides that besides that you know if we are talking about science here you know you know we we can actually you know through science we we can actually uh, build ourself you know build our


serve a proper, proper uh, to to how to say uh house our crops okay a proper space for our breeds okay uh for their breeding you know ya ya for their surviving ya


proper shelters okay proper machines okay they, they can help us to uh harvest our crops ah faster better you know and through science you know we we can actually separate


I don't agree to that I don't agree to that big no no no no no


this is an isolated case this is an isolated case this is not happening throughout the years or throughout every year so whatever


whatever you know it's an isolated case okay be because of science you know we can speed up a productions, to supply to the world you know the needs you know everywhere you know in the world because of science we we have


better transportation you know no no it is not that we we're even we actually even under supply we are you know the the, the the foods that we generated is actually not enough for the earth populations here you know take for example you know


singapore itself the the vegetables that that we have uh uh planted is actually not enough for the residents here in uh for the population here in singapore we even have to import from our neighbour countries also we're talking about meat


you know the livestocks here you know it is not enough oh okay same ya I totally agree singapore, singapore is not agricultural country but then I'm saying you know if we take into considerations all


all the the crops the vegetables the the the the livestocks that they produced in the world is actually not enough to supply to the whole world and we we need this more than technologies or through science ya we we have


to so call, research develop something that is useful, to maximize all all these uh productions productivity beat it you know uh uh of uh


meet supplies or even uh rice or or veggies you know to to uh uh speed up to produce more in order to cater for the uh world populations the needs of uh uh uh uh everyone


no, no food wastages no no food wastages has nothing to do with uh science you know it it got to do with individuals okay how the person been brought up you know how he's been educated


he's been teach he's been taught you know it has nothing to do with science, okay uh the call for production is actually from needs, uh their needs that's uh we're shortage of food and then that's the reasons why uh science through science


we we have developed we have manufactured effective equipments you know to produce you you you know to to increase the productions the the productivity it it has nothing to do with food wastages


like I said food wastages has nothing to do with science, that's be that


uh those are natural resources that we're talking about here okay natural resources from the soil itself okay and I believe through science we we can actually generate a proper nutrients for the soil as well


and and this will directly I would say directly improves our plants our crops the outcome the productions or or even the quality of our crops through science, okay uh okay you know


like I said just now food wastages has nothing to do with science I I still argue on the point because we're talking about effective farming here effective farming is how we farm and through science and technologies we we have generated


we have developed a lot of useful tools, uh to to actually uh, help us you know in the productions uh of our crops our livestocks


no through effective, through science we we can actually


uh through science we can actually double the layer okay you know we have, why why can't why can't we we we have you know decks that decks by decks that we have actually build up in our rooftop you know to to plants so this is all through effect uh through science you know


that we we can come up with something even though we have shortage of land okay we have shortage of soils to to plant naturally we we can actually uh develop something build something out of you know build somethings a tent you know a shelters you know or decks by decks you know to plant our veggies


this is all through science, true true ya through science through development through through research ya not only we are depending on soil itself to plant our uh veggies


no the the question here is is effective, no, no the question here is is effective farming possible without science okay so I I'm just stating that with the with helps from science


okay with science we we can actually uh uh better double up our productions you know, which directly says okay it's effective farming


okay we we're leading to effective farming you know because of science we we have all these uh research r and d coming up you know so so this is actually effective farming through science we have effective farming you see


and this is through science that we have learnt about all this greenhouse all these farmings without soil anything


agree but then those are from r and d stage r and d stage after that everything we just follow


correct correct you you you you know you know why organic foods are natural foods okay so so to say you know you are buying you know natural food very expensive


and through effective farming I am producing much more for a lesser price


no no no no you know the very first uh movie


that is uh related to AI you know to the and the very first movie that I watched related to AI I think it's the terminator that was very very hot back then so this is what AI is doing to our lives in future you know if we still


adopt this AI technologies you know and and it's it's, keep on keep on keep on progressing you know now AI is is very more to human already in fact you know compared to the very first terminator movie that I watch before you know it's full of machines but then now AI you know it it's more like human so I say humans


although AI helps us, a lot in what like what you say you know at the counter you know restaurants or you know flights information this and that but then AI, can never or we are not allowed to let it replace humans


you know, it should not we we shouldn't even think about AI replacing human at all we we are talking about jobless people now a lot of us uh out of job you know


because of substitutions and one part of it is through AI we have a lot of substitute and machines robotic machines uh you know coming out, though it help us, effectively uh in in our productions manufacturings but then it also in a way making us lose our job


because we are being substitute and through AI so one way or another AI must not be taken to replace humans


this is also one of the reasons one no no no no this this is also one of the bad things that AI does to us you know AI has no human touch at all okay they they have no sense they are just screening through all the application


without any human touch any feelings, so you know they're just going words by words as what been uh submitted through you know what what's been pan out through the resume or what so they they have nothing so if if you wanted


to actually you know overcome all these technologies all these AI screening through your documents you just have to match words by words as what been required from say they are the ones you know who actually did the advertisers okay


so, it is like it's different it's difficult you know to compare, uh a human screen through applications and a and a AI screen through applications


precisely precisely AI can no


no no the the the problem is ya correct correct in a way that you know that there will be no second round if it's already been sweep out okay from the first round so precisely what you have said just now it's okay AI, can never replace humans we still need human touch there you know uh uh human to control over AI so


that depends on the the


you can do that on your laptop as well you don't need an AI to do it for you okay


no you you


you know correct you you can actually do that on a computer and in fact you yourself can do it you know you you just have to pull out the software and then to start typing in all your uh criteria and whatever you know you just do the same thing you know you just don't need robotics or AI to help you to this job so


like I said it's okay uh well probably they are already in the market that uh AI is answering phone calls okay, uh this is bad actually actually this is bad you know someone might be losing their job you know someone might be losing their job you know you you don't have don't need a receptionist to answer calls and AI will do the job okay


so uh well in a way it depends on how much we embrace AI technologies here okay like I say uh well there there must be a, degree how we we can adopt or how we can make use of AI but I don't agree you know we we have to fully make use of AI to do human jobs okay


in fact there there's nothing okay you know let let's say you know in in terms of medical as well okay although AI can can lead us to very precise uh uh uh call of uh uh surgeries you know but then uh we we have to you know in fact uh


so uh well it depends okay at that instance okay bad that patients is essentially a, did you know have have something uh coming up you know something something bad is happening or what a AI wouldn't know you know just they're just basically just uh


uh being be programmed to operate on on certain things so so the the lack of human feelings or human touch is is very important even through uh medicals, to medical itself so we still need a a proper a specialist to actually operate on something very delicate as a


that depends on the degree on how much we we should embrace on on the use of AI in in our on in our world now you know


warfare and uh this is another thing okay AI is used in warfare okay so so we we


I will say it's a strictly no no no to use AI in the courts room or you know as a paralegal so what they have no human touch okay they have no feelings at all they do not know what is the situations or what is happening did then and there you know


so they are actually not supposed to to be used in a courtroom at all, so we're talking about no they'll they'll just


this is another problem a lot of us will be out of job you know, no it's not about upgrading ourselves or what


a paralegal, a paralegal can do that on the computer itself you know I don't need an AI to do it


that will depends on the degree of how much I embrace an AI you know I don't I simply can't I simply can't embrace it


correct precisely what I'm trying to say here okay, so you see


well uh I'll just have to say that you know there are certain sensitive things that uh I cannot trust an AI to do it, at all totally no no no you know, uh, AI simply just have no feelings at all okay


uh they are just uh there because we program them we fabricate them we we produce them we develop them to be there okay they are just, just taking orders, from humans okay so there are certain issues or there are certain things or certain matters or be it I mean mostly sensitive issues that you cannot uh


entrust an AI to do it


ya lah it's okay robin williams that movie it is I mean it doesn't make sense at all okay ya


okay I I myself I press submit !huh!


oh hold on ah I press submit now ah okay ya, hold on hold on overall progress and now file progress twenty six megabyte twenty eight ah twenty eight megabyte


okay, no no while it's uploading I didn't take a screenshot but now I take a screenshot can !alamak! because this is already uh what you call used


ah ah ah ah ah ah, okay, uh still got four more minutes okay so uh ya continue ya robin williams that that AI down there you know I I don't know


okay maybe it's in the scripts okay it it's been programmed to have feelings that AI have feelings so to me an AI should, have no feelings at all so so it it's different okay that that is a movie you know it's different so


no no I I I don't think so I don't think so emotions or feelings uh cannot be programmed okay it's inborne okay it it's senseless you know it's different ya you know emotions and feelings I don't think it can be programmed


you know I I don't agree I no no no I I I make


making use of technologies everywhere every now and then okay but then I don't agree to to the degree of uh uh embrace that that we should put into AI, itself okay AI there are still things or issues matters that uh we we cannot rely on AI to do it


that is true r and d the initial states the the initial stage you know, of ya you know it's expensive but then after that you know it it will, be in a duplicate you know it will be cheaper and cheaper it imagines uh you know uh


ya ya correct you know


I will make use of technologies to do all these things, okay , software hardware whatever but not through an AI to do all do these things for me do you understand now


AI is part of technology okay there are other technologies that can that can help me to do all these things okay I can't, cheryl <mandarin>我跟你讲:wo gen ni jiang</mandarin> hor <mandarin>我跟你讲:wo gen ni jiang</mandarin> !aiyo! <mandarin>你不要这样搞了喂很难赚:ni bu yao zhen yang gao liao wei hen nan zhuan</mandarin> leh <mandarin>你这个钱:ni de qian</mandarin> hor


debate topic one


okay the topic is does modern technology always improve the quality of people's life yes I agree, okay quality of life is uh very vague tape term okay it is uh very difficult to define but a quick


google check says that the definition is the standard of health comfort and happiness experienced by an individual or group, now technology has certainly brought about improvements in physical health and comfort medical technology is always improving leading to lower infant mortality and cures for diseases and et cetera


I think that you know technology modern technology is a tool okay so if you use modern technology to, so call uh genetically modified components of food it's different it doesn't really improves your uh quality of life we're talking about modern technology that you for example medical health care you know with modern technology they are able to scan


illnesses detect illnesses, and uh, derive cures you know for a lot of illnesses, very fast very prompt, okay now they can even cure cancer, you know modern technology can do that and then modern technology also allow us okay


to have access, and educate ourselves on the on uh a lot of topics including financial well being you know uh health well being lifestyle so there's a lot of things that modern technology has actually helped us in terms of improving our quality of life okay and


throughout through the internet also modern technology has been , very uh effective in uh scientific research and information on uh mental health issues for example


modern technology has been uh has been spreading a lot of awareness about the early signs of depression and mental health so it's easy for people, or patients to actually seek medical attention and for those that is living around them to actually notice the signs of depressions or mental health before it is too late


and uh genetically modified food may be harmful in the long term but, we do not know the effects of genetically modified food as of now


at this moment if you talk about genetically modified food right it has in fact, improved people's life, you have what you call uh, fake uh, meat, you know uh you know you you you now have plant based meat


so plant based meat is genetically modified


I do not agree with that because modern technology actually during this pandemic COVID, uh period it has actually helped to improve our lives much much better with modern technology we are now able to connect


with our family members anywhere in the world through whatsapp you know through web, webex or even through zoom so we can see them, without modern technology you won't be able to see them you don't know what's how are they doing so with with COVID nineteen we really appreciate all these modern technology because we we are able


to like you know stay in touch with almost everybody even during the the C CB period the circuit breaker period you know all of us are able to connect with one another through you know modern technology now without all this modern technology without the internet without all these smartphone all the technology


technology that we are using we'll be like ten thousand miles away, right you we this this kind of technology right modern technology actually bring bring us much much closer to one another even though we are separated physically but I can see like for example now I can still see you you know I can still talk to you you know I can I can wave at you you know so


modern technology is something that has benefited, human beings or all of us in in in in this era


not forget that modern technology has also assist you know all the intelligence around the world or the CIA all the MIB you know and, and also the james bonds you know to they use modern technology to actually uh you know uh stop all these uh plans by the terrorists and everybody else you know


modern technology is is is a technology it depends on how you use it right so if you want to use it in in a in a, what do you call in a bad manner then we also have technologies that can actually stop all this from happening


I agree with you on on this, but but but we have, you know good people that is using technology to help us live better


smartphone can even control your air con you know your it can control what movies channels you want to watch netflix and everything else


how many of your friends or how many of the people that you know within your circle, circle was affected by all these hacking and scammings okay in fact none in my circle of friends or or in my network, okay so


so it is now modern, technology is available but how you use it right and how much security you put into it right, you you have to secure your own stuff right you cannot just leave your money let's say you have money even if without technology you dump it at home you know and then it's just lying all over the place


so it's for people to just take they don't even need technology to take it, right, so if you have if you have technology, technology it's up to us to set the security and the password to make sure that it's not going to be so easy for people to scam into you know and hack into it


right, so if if you don't have this kind of like it's your responsibility to take care of your own stuff, so if you have a smartphone and you you have all your passwords all your pin number all stored inside your your handphone or your smartphone that's it


once you lose your your smart phone your whole life will be turned upside down so, so losing your iphone or losing your smartphone right has nothing to do with modern technology, modern technology is a convenience that was given to you, and you use that convenient to store all your personal data and everything else for people to access so who's fault is it


it's not modern technologies' fault ah, it's the responsibility of the individual


your whole life yes


now mister chew let's just go back to this point that you brought up about modern technology about losing your phone do you know that your smartphones right once you lose your phone you make a report that you lose your phone everything is disabled, okay and


I mean iphone lah I don't know about samsung ah but but the thing is in iphone everything is lost and then


no but the thing is you can even if you lose your phone you can track your phone digitally there's an, app to track your phone, that's modern technology


no, I think that's that's not a fair, statement because every organization in, fact all, organizations including the banks the government, uh in all the statboards and everybody else even the phone uh networks you know like singtel starhub you know and and even the


phone manufacturer like iphone okay they know us as human being, okay so they know that one of the, fault of human being is forgetfulness or losing things you know so all these organizations they have


actually uh, adopted, modern technology okay and, they also make sure that yes it's for our convenience for example, ibanking right you you do banking through the internet but there is a lot of security measures that they have taken


to make sure that it's not, tap onto or you you cannot , scam and and take out money from your from your bank account easily you need to have the token, token you need to have passwords you some even have digital digitally voice enhanced you know you need to say your name you need to say uh your date of birth they they actually use the vowels okay and the tone of how you pronounce things right to actually make sure that it is you


to identify you now if you watch mission impossible you will know that they even use the the the eyeballs you know the retina to actually scan, right these are all security measures adopted by modern technology, without modern, modern technology they they have to you have to be blind you know


that is warfare technologies it's not modern technology we have no access to warfare technology


I I I I I totally disagree with this point okay because actually modern technology is something that you have, access to we have no access, access to nuclear bombs we have no access to warfare technologies we don't even have access to, in fact you know our I mean that


that kind of you know sophisticated software that they are using, right, that's not modern technology, we have no access, to this so that that doesn't improve our life even if I have access to all these it doesn't improve my life right, correct


and actually if you talk about hiroshima bombing ah


actually hiroshima bombing actually in fact uh, yes during the time the hiroshima was very bad okay but, I I I don't think that we, we are diverting from the from the topic that we are discussing we're not discussing about


uh military warfare or warfare strategies here okay and whether you know modern technology actually help uh in uh military warfare we're talking about, uh commoners, which are people like you and me we are commoners so it's talk we are talking about technology that has helped us in our life


okay I think you know twenty years ago without iphone or without smartphone and all that I it was so difficult to even call somebody in in uh, overseas, right you have to go to the trunk trunk, phone you know and then put in the coins and then ding ding ding ding you know and then oh


ten minutes must put ten cents more twenty cents more you know just to make an overseas call and it's so expensive, right with modern technology now I make a call to to states I make a call to anywhere in the world it's only costing me a few cents sometimes it's even free when I use on whatsapp


because I'm I'm tapping on the internet, which is modern technology, before the the two thousands, okay we, we have no internet before the the bubble uh the technology boom, okay so


we were all living in the


part two debate topic two


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no is effective farming possible without science


I'm the proposition I am agreeing with this topic, you disagree, so you you say that effective farming is not possible without science, with science correct , so I am saying that effective farming is possible without science okay done so now I am


the I am the one that is living in the main era, okay you are the one that is living with uh technology the trump farming kind of style


yes it is possible for me I'm saying that yes it is possible, so science refers to


effective farming with science ah, okay uh is, referring to synthetic fertilizer insecticides and herbicides you know tractors and genetic


see you interrupted my my my thoughts, my trail of thoughts, !haiya!, okay is effective farming possible without science, so yes it is possible now science refers to uh to uh effective


farming refers to synthetic fertilizers insecticides and herbicides, tractors and genetic mutation, of food okay, now uh some people will say that science is necessary for effective farming because uh there is no other way to maximize uh crops use without being supplemented with all these synthetic fertilizers and insecticides and herbicides okay


now uh while I agree that, uh the results in effective farming in terms of crop use uh is uh necessary but it might not be effective as other other costs will be incurred per particularly in farmers and consumers


okay so the cost to use all these artificial supplements okay and, and uh the, cost to the farmers because they are exposed to harmful chemicals, uh and uh at a very close distance right when you uh do farming you have to


be very hands on and, all this uh getting very close to all this , uh so call fertilizers and uh it might be cancerous over a long period of time okay so, the the conditions uh for the farmers and


uh people that is uh doing engaging in this, work, uh it's actually very bad okay so this are the price that, uh you pay for using uh science, to actually improve


the yield of the crops


but the problem is there is so much food wastages because why, you are trying to maximize the growth maximize profit right so, so you just harvest everything and now with the COVID break, COVID you know everything logistics wise nobody can move the stuff right so in fact a lot of food


all these grains and everything has now this is going to be like


which is now oversupply, no not, just before COVID it's also oversupplied


okay over supply of food right has actually uh generally uh in the world has contributed to, a lot of food wastages now let's just bring us back to singapore okay food wastages in singapore has been increasing


year on year by ten percent in two thousand and nineteen okay the total food wastages in singapore is seven hundred and forty four thousand tonnes okay so every year we have so much food abundance of food okay because of


technology and science okay you can harvest so much food so we, it it becomes a, a situation where you do not appreciate your food anymore, I have come across people who just play with their, food


because it has been so it's like cheap, you know I can, just buy and I take a little bit taste a little bit err I don't like I play with it I then I throw you know so nobody appreciate food anymore right because of, science


because of technology you use your genetically modified food okay you use all the effective farming that you are referring to so instead of, harvesting five tons you now harvest ten tons double, the the amount of food that you can you know uh produce at the same time you are also producing


food that, give us a lot of health problem, all this genetic all these modern technology science farming, science farmed food, food are giving us, cancerous cell you know, it's contributing to our uh


what you call physical health you know we have a lot of problem with this and, because of abundance of food, we have we also have obesity rising in the world


now your effective farming using science okay has actually contributed to uh food wastages now food wastages has contributed to all the land mines okay all being filled out with all the food wastages


okay tons and tons of it I think in singapore we are talking about seven hundred and forty about seven hundred fifty thousand tons okay now these land landfills right, (ppc) no no no, it has to do with the abundance of food that you created


because you use technology effective farming everything so easy you know no need to work hard and then it has contributed to harmful greenhouse, gas you ever heard of the, word methane, okay this methane okay these are something that there's this harmful gas that is coming out from all this land mine and it is contributing to


global warming, very soon because of all these effective farming we have obesity we have food wastages we are contributing to global warming and then our our future generations will have be living in a uh an environment or a world


(ppc) that is (ppc), going to be very sad, sad, because of we we have you know overproduced, right and, because of overproduction there's wastages so we we in other words is like uh it uh we use up all the credits that you have


you know, uh for example you have only like you know, ten dollars but okay never mind you know I have a credit card so I use fifteen dollars so uh you are using the the resources that is, for the future generation, so you you are telling me that because of all these science your effective farming is actually causing a lot of trouble not just for us but for the next generation and the next generation


where are they going to live, all the lands are filled with all these food wastages which makes the land, uh, after a certain years you cannot even grow anything on it and because of overproduction your effective farming you actually


tap on the nutrients of the soil so much that the the the soil at the end of the day become useless it becomes total waste you cannot plant anything on it anymore


actually if you talk about uh, effective farming okay you are using, all the, the uh so call fertilizer, synthetic fertilizer, fertilizers you know insecticides and herbs right


to farm effectively you are not planting let's say for example you you you have only, a thousand square metres of land to, plant okay and you can only plant maybe uh ten tons of rice okay


because of, yes how do you double that, how do you double that because, how you only have


that is green farming no that is green farming it's not effective farming it's not science farming


ya but your veggie even if you plant, upper deck all the way until twenty storey okay, (ppc) without (ppc) your so call, insecticides and fertilizers right, it will not be the your crops will not be good


right so you're using all these and then the food that we consume all comes from this, so you are actually, producing uh crops, okay that is harmful to us because we are consuming all these uh biologically altered food


and then, it will affect our body, these are the food that is costing, all the causing all the cancerous cell to grow, because of your so called, uh genetically modified uh effective farming you know all the way up to you know without farming without soil


right, so your farming without soil the the the the crops needs, nutrients right so without soil which is the natural nutrient, you are using all these


fertilizers synthetically modified fertilizer


no you are talking about green farming no green farming is not widely used no I disagree


you are referring to green farming now green farming which is so called effective farming is not widely used because it does not maximize crop yield okay


do you know how much it cost okay all these organic farm, food is very expensive because, no organic food has been available for the past ten years and it is so still so expensive just to buy organically grown vegetables in fact it triples the price of the Kang-Kong you know the Kang-Kong here I buy from the normal yili farm is only one fifty


so it's not effective farming


it's not effective because it's so costly you cannot maximize profits it's not effective your crops you cannot grow a lot that's the problem


part three debate topic three


okay part three we're talking about artificial intelligence, should be embraced since it is inevitable okay now uh, if you look at AI okay artificial intelligence which is AI okay it is slowly uh taking over our lives okay we can see that supermarkets you know are using cashless counters okay


and then you have robots in airports that are directing passengers as well as you know providing information on uh flights now many industries has also, adopted AI because uh it is effective okay it is cost efficient and uh it it's it's actually uh


very good for for all of us


(ppc) I am not saying that we are using AI to replace human beings AI is to supplement human, beings okay for example right AI is used in chatbots okay now we have come across a lot of of uh chatbots okay what they do is that you submit your application or your job application through the chatbots the first round so in fact they do


the first round of screening for you uh, as a uh I I know of human resource you know professionals who was uh telling me that oh sometimes for one job applications they received close to around two thousand applicants okay


so for them to run through the two thousand applicants is going to take them hours so this is costing this is not productive


we are talking about AI here which means that how effective or how useful is the AI or the chatbot that you you actually use is through programming is how you program it if you set the criteria to be so strict


oh must have, degree or must have this it's a must then they will just sweep out all this so if if you if you as a human resource practitioners okay you want to, make sure that you know we want to make sure that you are just not relying entirely on AI you can do a second round of screening


so it's all depends on the human


I am saying that AI should be embraced and, I'm not saying that AI is going to replace us human, no I, I am saying that we should use AI to effectively effectively so that we can work


efficiently and productive, productivity level will increase now AI is also very good in terms of generating very complex, numerical and financial reports you just have to key in the parameters they are able to actually pull out


a lot of very complex financial reports, you as a human being we are not programmed to screen out all the numbers as effective as an AI


as a chat or a machine, because you just program, them to actually pull out all the information, that is relevant, and they can actually do a search very fast, much more faster than all of us scrolling through papers you know stacks and stacks of uh reports that you have to


now if you no you cannot say you you


yes yes


I agree, I agree with you mister chew, yes yes, I am not saying that we use AI to replace human I'm saying that we should embrace AI okay and use it on certain


now if you do not embrace AI now AI is also being used in uh training, okay yes, training legal you know AI is also being used in the legal sector okay they can actually uh advice you on uh what legal terms and and uh terminologies that you're looking in fact they are the AIs are the one that is help


helping all the so called lawyers to actually pull out you know all the various act various act various laws and all that they are the one who pull it out


no for a legal case right you just have to put in the parameters then they will pull out the cases for your references they will pull out all the the, acts you know and the laws you know whichever section they will pull it out it's for you to research they pull out for you and then you are supposed to read through it and see whether is it applicable to your case right so they are helping you to do the groundwork


so instead of hiring you know just clerks to do all these you just to, key in the, so for the clerks and everybody else you have, to upgrade yourself, if you progressively do not want to upgrade and learn you do not want to embrace no listen if you are the clerk then you are the one who is going to program


who's going to key in into AI into the chatbot okay the parameters so they are supposed to key it in and then the the the the chatbot will pull it out for them instead of them having to go to the, the the the library or you know refer to all the court references you know and case references instead of them having to go to the store room you know open the big shelf and take out everything


right, so as a paralegal you can just key in and then it's actually helping you to do your job effectively, , I am saying that you should embrace AI because they are helping you to do your job effectively and efficiently instead of spending three days in the store room


so you will be one of the person that is going to be very lost at a cashless counter, right


because you don't know how to scan you know the whatever groceries that you buy you know and then you will be so clueless as to what is happening, if you do not embrace AI you will be like living in the,


baby boomers time which we are not right, right so you don't embrace AI then what are you going to do you you will be like clueless as to what is happening you you even if you like for example if you attend a training you with a chatbot okay how interesting you can ask any questions and the fellow will be very good in in answering all your questions


because they are programmed in such a way and and and human beings memory, or or or capacity ah is very limited yes although a lot of people say that you should tap on your mind you know because it's uh it


uh, uh sea of deep you know you don't know how much you can remember and all that but there's only like so much we can remember okay, but AI you can it's like you know the the memory is like who they can remember the whole world is like google you just google out everything is out


that is embracing AI, I'm not telling you to replace humans with AI no no no no no no there's no way just like AI cannot be a good cook you cannot have a a a chatbot that is a robot that is cooking


because the taste, it's very different, so we still need, human beings to cook, but you should embrace AI to just maybe, you know serve the food you know take orders, you know that is something that is can be done


you can program AI to actually have some EQ, you know that you can program AI to have some EQ some


uh the recent, movies you know that they have the bicentennial man, man okay, go is uh this uh robin williams, go and have a look he is a robot but, there is uh EQ in him


is a is a movie by uh robin williams okay so bicentennial man is is a fact is, robots are yes they are technology they are you know science, things that we can use right, but


you can actually program it to be uh


no but then AI can be programmed to have, have to have, what you call emotions right you are telling me that you have you don't want to embrace AI because you know they have no emotions they have no EQ you know because human beings we have intelligence we have emotions we have EQ right so


the reason why you're not embracing AI is because the robot doesn't have all these, but we can program it it's how you program the AI how you program the robot you can program it to be anything you want you can program it to be loving you can program it to be forever fierce you know and then forever fighting you know up to you


anyway anyway everyone in the world


everyone in the world is already embracing AI if you are not doing it you are going to be lacking behind lagging behind okay you will not understand what is happening you will be so lost


yes how much you embrace AI depends on you, you okay but, you should not just, you should not just you know cut it off completely and then say that oh it's AI you know they're just robots you know it's useless you know no


they are very expensive you know in fact, to produce a robot right as if, as intelligent as a human being is very it's expensive


ya correct of course of course, manufacturing, manufacturing effectiveness will kick in after you know the first few batches


certain degree where it's going to be useful for you where it's going to be effective for you to do your work where you doesn't have to go into the store room to look at stacks of files of, report okay they can actually help you to churn out numbers effectively and


in in fact, zero mistakes, sometimes you use excel sheet and all that we will have some mistakes you know you have to go back and trace


humility is the condition of being humble and it means putting the needs of others before your own and thinking of others before yourself, it also means not drawing attention to yourself and it can mean acknowledging that you're not always right


why is it why is humanity important, being humble it helps to build trust, and facilitates learning which are key aspects of leadership and personal development


there are many attributes of a healthy humility from the article by mick ukleja they acknowledged that, they don't have it together, they know the difference between self confidence and pride and pride as an exaggerated sense of self importance


humility seeks to add value to others, and, if humility you understand the shadow side of success


but however actually humility actually shows concern, and love and care for others, and actually humility you do not expect or, want or desire anything back and having show humility there is nothing to lose and we should always be ready to take any course of action so I feel that


humility is very important in the workplace at it's as it actually (ugh) helps to prevent interpersonal conflict and helps to solve, communication problems and with humility there'll be less uh gossip around the office


and humility brings about motivation and job satisfaction , just like if without humility you'll maybe there'll be background where people are gossipping against each other then they'll be creating more uh workplace conflict


so I feel that humility is is is still desirable today instead of an environment where there is no humility everybody is uh stabbing against each other


but humility also lets you to have a way of speaking out right I'm sure that humility doesn't means to let others step on you you can, voice out that maybe there are some points that maybe if you felt that you are being taken advantage or of always being asked to do over time maybe you could just


uh speak up that maybe you you have something on or or or you have to knock off by the clock, so humility is not being just like , taken over by others being bullied or like just because you you are humble it doesn't mean that you are taken advantage of you you'll still have to be assertive


but if the boss is not it's not doesn't show to be a very humane person do you think the staff will actually will will it build trust among the colleagues, as as now I'm stating that humility actually helps to build trust and facilitates learning which are key aspects of leadership and development as an individual


ya mine is still running yes


I I mean like as as an employee if if an employee shows humility it helps to build trust , with with with with their co-colleagues and also helps to build trust with the employee and employer relationship


so I feel that humility is important as it is an and an aspect of personal development is and trust between co-employees


however don't you believe that in today's society if everyone has a humility and attitude, that is putting others before self the world would be a better place imagine uh if all your employees are all uh having an aggressive uh attitude towards others


and like they already have something they already have thinking that others is above is is always below them so they're always above that others so don't you think it will create a, uh, uh uncontrollable and very critique environment


but I still strongly believe that humility will, actually help others who are below you in scale to improve and also to uh harvest the success of uh everyone in the company


okay I I I I suppose as an employee when you start as a junior staff when you, with with some one with experience in that area so you will need to be humble you need to have to have a coachable heart so you need to be open for criticism


as as as a junior employee or as someone who is , less uh experienced than your superior or your senior or or or you are taking over a new role, so you'll need to have this humble approach


you you you you cannot be someone who maybe you are from the you are trained in you are trained for example nowadays there is always a job switch, may may maybe you are you you are from the union side or or you're from this maybe logistics union and then you are supposed to go to another another union maybe in the


uh manufacturing site so so you know nothing about manufacturing which is very different from the logistics so you so you need to have a humble heart you need to have a, ah a new way of doing things so I believe that instead of bringing your


uh I I can do attitude instead of bring those like over confidence attitude or someone who is not approachable, to the new environment you should actually have a humble uh mentality, or someone okay for example we are talking about someone junior what about someone senior for example you are supposed to lead


another team so you cannot come with uh with a mind of , like uh aggressive and , someone who is a bossy and then how would your junior employees or someone who doesn't know you


be able to uh to be able to uh be guided under your leadership


so are you saying that, with without humility, the environment will be a better place the workplace will be a better place


so you are saying that with, without so you are saying that if the , the your boss or the management does not shows humility, the the employees will not gossip


there will not be any bullying, and there will be high will there be high motivation but in my in my sense I feel that, with with humility they will behind motivation and higher job satisfaction instead of being in a controlled environment


but I still strongly believe that with humility there'll be lesser interpersonal conflict, and it will and communication problems will be lessened because everybody is, would like to have uh some would would would


think of the benefits of others or put others before self so there'll be no selfish gains, there'll be no uh manipulation


so are you saying that in today's environment everybody should have a should have fake humility everybody should, that means everybody should not have humility so they should actually uh fake it or they should not show any humility at all


very little, (hmm) thank you thank you


part two debate topic two, okay my life my choice I believe that we should live our life as


as our own choice because you only have one chance, and we should always do something that we love to achieve our own happiness, so that's why we should live our life on our own and all or and based on our own choice


we are living our own life some people allow others to influence or determine their choice that's they're trying to please their expectations, in today's society I believe that everybody sometimes some people they are actually uh


prone to social pressure they in turn they are deceiving themselves without even noticing it, before they actually lose control of their life they end up and being how others people live, so some people they do not live their own life they end up seeing the greener grass which which some says that what ours is never good enough


so to regain that passion for the life that you want one must recover ownership of your choices, and we should not try to please everyone which that we might end up pleasing no one including ourself that's


thus I strongly believe that we should live our own life we should live our own choices we should not be pressurised, by social pressure that will in turn deceive ourself and we do not live the life that we actually are destined to live


in turn you are not living your own life you you end up feeling frustrated and disappointed


but in our life if you were to keep on listening to others opinions, to keep on asking for advice in every stage of our life then doesn't it it dictate that we are not living our own life we live, our life just by following others pointers others advised other directions is that the way that we should live by right


it's like I I believe that if you live you should make your life based on your own life choices, you you can't be making every move like or whichever which maybe which course am I supposed to attend, and then you will be like you're hearing all the different opinions but you're not following your own desires


because you are maybe you are someone who is interested in the engineering background and then because you have you you you you are trained to actually listen to other's, advice opinions so you go to person one two three so all of them says that engineering is not the field to go


it is outdated now but it has always been your passion as you are a handson person you are keen to discover so I've still feel that, living one's life it should be by like own choice it should not be due be based on opinions of others


as you have only one life and you need to use it and and you should go on with your initial choice, and you should not let other's opinions restrict you from your own path


okay so just now you were mentioning that in career forms like if the person desires maybe is to be a painter, what if the what if the economy doesn't allow that there's no opportunity for a painter


but that don't you think that if that is the the individual's life it is his choice, if if he keeps on denying his own choices it's like a form of betrayal is a self betrayal


but I still strongly believe that our life is our own choice we should not betray ourself just because so many people are already doing it, we should stay true to what we believe and and and and discover the authenticity and are beauty of one's life


and we should not be like anyone else but just be like you where everyone is indeed is an individual and everyone has the right to choose


so I still believe that one's life is one's choice, we should not give up our own life to others people's expectation and live and live the way and make their way instead of our own that way


so are you saying that in every area of our life in every stages of our life we should not live by own choice but to follow the opinions of others, in in I mean when when we come to an an infant of course he cannot make his own choice


an infant will will will have to lead his life by by someone guiding him, okay or or or or we're saying a primary school student they should be actually , living their life but with choices that I explain


but now you are actually telling me someone who is in who's going to choose a career they should not, go by their own life choices they should actually be following the advice of others and and you were also mentioning to me that in terms of uh marriage companion


or or someone to settle down with you should also be asking for choices then don't you think that life is, or you're not asking for choices you're asking for opinions and advice, don't you think that you are not living your own life you are in living a life


that is determine by the choices of others and their opinions of others, since from toddler from an infant to a toddler to a primary schools student to someone who is maybe going through the polytechnic, to to actually start a career with each part of their life they're always asking for advice asking for opinions or they are influenced by the opinions of others


knowing that someone may tell you that you are that I am that I am a person with more experience I have eaten more salt, and I will be able to guide you don't you think that life will be very uh suffering and torturing in sense that every every time when I make a new decision


I have to seek for advice it isn't it my life my choice


but I still strongly believe that like for if a person were to live according to others people's expectations, they are actually spending most of their time trying to be whatever everyone's wants them to be they are the all these people they end up I mean in turn that you are conditioned


to live by the expectations of others to live by the opinions of others, you end up uh wearing all kinds of masks and costumes based on the role you're expected to be playing, and you began to lose yourself


you began to think that you are one of them, and in the end you get lost in the crowd, being one of the millions and having no idea who you are and what you stand for


however if one person were to keep ignoring their inner voice their inner calling, they they are busy pleasing everybody with living up to others people's expectations and other people's opinions they end up losing control over their own lives they forget what makes them happy


what they want and what they need and eventually they forget about themselves, so I strongly believe that you have one life, you have then you have to live it right, base on your own choice


one must live it own it and eventually don't let other people's opinions distract them from their path


thank you Y L for your sharing, but you still strongly believe that one's life is based on, the opinions of others


is based on advice by others


thank you


part three debate topic three, (ppc) jacinda ardern was lauded for her


handling of new zealand's COVID nineteen outbreak this year she handled it very well so what about sahle-work zewde africa's only female head of state who makes gender equality a priority


germany's angela merkel also helped to steer europe's biggest economy through three financial crisis, so these are the women who actually make, who actually make the place better because they are female political leaders


I strongly believe that women women make good political leaders, as they tend to be more consultative and inclusive


and we know from effective policy making that consultation and bringing in evidence tends to deliver better outcomes in the long term, when women take take part in politics the whole of society benefits, there's a main finding of a new report this is a main finding of new report from westminster foundation for democracy and the global institute for women's leadership at king's college London


the report comes as many as many female led countries have fared much better than other male led nations in tackling COVID nineteen raising questions about the positive potential impact of women's political leadership


in the uh women in in their research papers it actually shows that women are able to exercise political leadership, are more able to exercise political leadership there are these are gains, they actually uh contribute not just for women and girls but for the whole of society


the main findings of the report include women policy makers prioritise issues that benefit the most vulnerable in society such as health care welfare and education, as such most women leaders seems to make for more equal and caring societies


women may be more likely to focus on relief issues because they have greater experience of deprivation, and because they are often responsible for caring of others, on average women work harder than men to represent these constituencies which is linked to stronger sense among voters than than government in response to their needs


thus women actually makes better political leaders than men


but women do make but women do work harder than men because they want to represent their constituencies, for example we got women voters who who actually vote I mean like maybe to elect a certain constituency we we see that they actually make good political parties


because they are they might be emotional but they are able to actually be in the shoes of, the party who is being deprived of


but don't you think that if an increased representation of women in elected office there will be, less corruption, and the resources are actually focus on the quality and consistence and consistency of public service delivery


with more women on board with more women political leaders there are less corruption, women who hold more political power allies, are less likely to go to war and less likely to commit human right abuses


women bring collaborative and inclusive leadership tasks into political environments that are often characterised by, by their strong will and uh a thorough consideration of all the factors


ppo) in in a society, and women who have thoroughly thought of all the considerations


but in today's (ppc) but in today's world don't you think that women are better policy makers


wouldn't the world be a better place, if women are able to prioritise issues that benefit the most vulnerable in society such as health care welfare and education


I still strongly believe that when woman takes part in politics and they become political leaders the whole of society benefits, as women tend to be more consultative and inclusive, as we know that effective policy making or results in lots of consultations and evidence collecting to to have a better outcome in the long term


so women are actually more conclusive and more inclusive, thus they will make better political leaders


so are you saying that in this political world men should take the lead, or


men should take the lead that means all the by right all the political seats should be taken up by men, or or it should be uh equal opportunity of fifty fifty, , or or or you're putting it to a lesser percentage for women to be in the political society


but what but, why don't we see how new zealand performs


but in my opinion I believe that in the cabinet there should be a fifty fifty voice sharing, to make it a more conclusive society


within ten to twenty percent it's just a minority in the cabinet, don't we just that means women only make a minority in the cabinet, I I don't think that would be a better place


for yeah


but in my opinion I believe that women do make a good political leader


but don't you think that in if in all political countries or in all countries or, the cabinet it is made up mainly of men wouldn't there be a war since men are more, unless you unless emotional they they might just want to get into war if


an agreement is not reached


okay Y L I understand your point, and I think that maybe women and men, should be, should be given an equal opportunity or even a an I still strongly believe that women do make good political leaders


and there should be more political leadership for women


but aren't we all equally, aren't aren't right right in right now in singapore aren't we all trained to be, equal, we have the right education we have the same education so women


should still have a place in political society we we we've gone through the same education, we've gone through the same uh system so women should have more opportunities to get into the political cabinet


okay thank you


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part one debate topic one


okay I think, humility is actually something that it would affect you uh in my workplace uh you need to be, uh more uh strong more uh, or else people will just take advantage of you


because humility is ah something that people will see you as uh very weak, and they will just ah step on you and ah, and some some of them even uh, would say that it's fake humility you are probably just uh humble bragging and you're not really


ah care about the person so humility by showing humility, display of humility uh could be something that is harmful to you, so ah I would rather be someone ah so, although humility is important but humility should be something that shouldn't be displayed so often


oh[, ah yes ah uhI would say that uh that is opposite of the today's workplace when when you have too much uh


when when you show too much care to other's people definitely would be uh taking advantage of you they will make you do, over time they will make you do ah, uh don't pay you the enough money for your effort and I see uh


this going around in singapore uh not only in singapore but also in other countries, where ah those developing countries like uh malaysia or cambodia when they are working with us, they are humble but the management will take this as uh their weak point and step on them and make them work harder


ah do more things than than their than their contracts actually stated, so uh I say that humility should be taken uh not too much but, do not do not have that kind of uh importance as uh right now


we should really step out and show that you are uh to speak your mind not to just be humble and taking it


yes I agree, but uh uh there is uh you have to be assertive but it is so much easier for, uh for management to show that they have uh know uh using the component of fear


uh to press the staff because if, it is so much easier because our in our management position, so when I talk to my staff I get things done quicker and faster if I show uh aggression and and if I and if I show and


, that was the lesson that I've learnt because in the past I was I was very humble I talked I asked my ah, understudy uh I showed care it it kind of ah taken it for granted


so I learnt that by showing that uh being really like inserting assertive and being strong, I could make things work faster and it actually is important for the company that the things move fast and are in uh


in as smoothly so that it doesn't endanger the uh the profit and doesn't uh affect the reputation of the company if they fail to deliver


, my, can I speak to a moderator, ya the the the recording somehow stop


in the appen, yeah I think so, no it's I think it pause at nine minute fifty one second


yeah I still see the submit button there


oh okay yeah sorry about that I don't know why, uh so uh, uh sylvia could you repeat your last


, ya but building that trust uh will take a long time, and uh that would of course be the, uh like ideal uh ideal world where everyone trust each other and help each other but in the current world uh


it's sad to say that people are very negative, and people tend to back stab each other so, uh living in such an environment it's best to protect ourselves, ah or for my case my experience to protect uh myself


and just to show a very strong uh front as to to to really to , it it actually reduces any personal conflict for me it yeah


ah yes that is the ideal world, but the world is unfair and the world is unreasonable so I so in my experience is I, just by being very strong and ah quite demanding to my staff I actually get ah things moving


uh less gossip in the company because I have a very firm uh uh I bring in a very strict, working environment so so that and everyone just doing their work and there is they are actually more productive


so they don't gossip around with uh which uh which is I so different when I was very humble as a project manager in the past and things don't move as fast


yes uh do you have an example of your own let says that uh being humble


ah so I I understand that uh the junior would like someone that is approachable and uh, that is uh one and I also have experienced that uh for my uh


senior uh sorry my the top management ah they generally promote and they generally, are very keen to have someone a position who are very strong in authority meaning they are demanding so people who


ah if they see that these are the management the managers who are, are soft and humble they, tend to not give them that respect even though even if they might have a good relationship with their uh err with their staff or their in within their department


so uh, I would say that humility is not a is uh is something that we would like but is not desirable at, uh at this current uh working climate


ah at this moment it will the the company will function organisations will function better


in a workplace where uh when the management is strong and have a strong they put a strong foot forward and to make the environment, in a way to the company for the both team, for the sake of profit to be a conducive that they're productive and they are focused on their work


so for that the leadership should not should show, less humility in that sense


yes so uh for for motivation there's other ways of motivation that is uh it is monetary motivation, so if we as the leadership management can prove to the top management that the department is


running in uh orderly and they are focus and they are productive, the money would come in for the they will have bonuses they would have pay raise, if you if they are more if you in the


humble environment they'll be soft and they will take things lightly that would not only affect themselves in terms of money, err monetary gains they also affect the company so company may fail because of such uh working environment


so okay but that would put to but that as uh I've that would in fact be, uh having too much uh liberty for everyone to have their own, err thoughts their own opinions and that will actually uh make things even uh more complicated


uh


they should show very little, it should be humble at times yeah but then again it should be it should, it show so it's not that desirable at the moment at the workplace that's my opinion thank you


just submit right no need to stop right


part two debate topic two


okay so I believe that ah that is something that, ideal but again we should always seek opinion from others, ah to see what they have gone through in life and ah more often than not


uh your choice as a as a young person you you do not know what's going on out there and with that ah, you should always ah take their word then is that them guide you through


because they have live through you do not want to repeat their same mistake, ah mistakes they have they have gone they have use uh probably ten to twenty years of their life, to actually experience that to to just for one valuable lesson


so that one valuable lesson could save you lots of time even next half of your life because of one decision that you made that you want to do, but end up that you would regret in fact you might regret because you do not let others


uh guide you and lead you through and to guide you and tell you what is best for you because and one thing is you as a person you cannot see (ppc), you cannot see what is what is your shortcoming you do not ah eh you are not able to see your blind spot


so a person who is neutral a third person third party can see your blind spot and guide you through and you'll not only need to adjust one but you should get, other's opinion and let them uh give you pointers give you uh the guiding light to go to go ahead with your life


okay so uh, uh, okay so uh other's opinion uh now if you follow your dreams you follow your passion to to live to to study of certain


uh subject or certain take up certain courses or pursue a certain career now, there are other things that you would want to , there are many other factors that actually, they would uncover for you


for example ah will you be ready be, do you do you are you able to make a career out of this, if you want to be a painter you want to be a, ah musician but is that realistic


that's something that you that could ready bring uh bread to, uh your, oh why why it did not stopping ah this one uh


ah moderator the once the moment I press the whatsapp is it it automatically paused the it actually automatic pop stop, then it means I closed the whatsapp


or no tough I think oh okay because if either ten minutes thing comes in right I need to move the thing around right before it due time off, oh okay, but my if my whatsapp comes in I will not be able to touch it if because I


no it doesn't go away it just be there it's just like stuck there because of the there's the time up it just stuck there, the screen will just be there, oh I did not try the slide ah I just I just close it so that I can close to window


oh, okay sorry ha I didn't know that the the whatsapp will actually affect the record


but it could be seen as ah why are the people around who care for him, who knows who has been through who was a musician or an artist who has gone through his road and who in maybe be uh very informed of the industry


doesn't even give him doesn't tell him that to wake up him up from his idea and say that, this is this can be your hobby or you you should be doing other things that uh that


that would bring other form of happiness for you you can be, uh would you be able to marry the person that want because without money you've couldn't go into marriage, you couldn't have a house on your own you you couldn't have a bread uh rice on the table cannot have food there's no shelter


so the people around him should, guide him telling him that this is the way to go and he should listen to to these people


right, okay


did uh but to live, blindly that is very dangerous, even though you you are very firm on what you want to do, what you wish to do but you are blinded by desire guided by something that that


more or less I've seen ah people who are in the who who (ppc) pursue their passion, ah not the corporate kind of passion but uh more on art scene (ppc) they have uh actually are suffering


because of lack of jobs uh they they are going through depression and they have gone through , that stage of their lives that they actually doubt themselves, so they they have this regret that when they think back they would have


I won't say all but most of them uh felt that if there's someone could actually let them know could actually, open their eyes to see that uh this particular choice whichever the career or this particular person


uh that you want to live with that you have a relationship with is not meant for you, and that they can be a bit on hindsight it's easy to say but they actually uh feel that they if someone could


uh, uh be strong enough to tell them that they are making the wrong choice


uh ya uh ya so what I'm referring to is uh generally, big decisions decisions that would affect you in a very uh in in the long haul in the future, that's why ah ah like career not on every small of course every small decision you make you are entitled to make a decision on your own because you are


you are an adult and you have the conscious to make at some decision on your life but (ppc) big decision should be left to to be left open, and for people to to give you pointers and advice ah so so that you do not ah fall into the pithole


uh and you do not want people to come back to say I told you so, yeah so it will take people ah a long time to actually realise that


their mistakes or where they ah have gone to, ah where should they go because in in life there are so many fork uh so many forked road that you have to take you do not know which is the best, so someone who has taken that road can tell you that this is uh this is a


this would be a better choice for you this direction would be better for you since I know you, and since I looking at you I understand you and as a third person is easier for them to make a decision they have


they are more impartial and they are not let and they are not led by their uh emotions


but I would would a person be wearing, uh mask like you mention and costume, be better off because at the end they have make a they have make a


informed decision because of others so they uh more often more often I won't say all the time but more often, ah the the advice coming from others have a greater impact uh more positive impact


although they may be not getting to where they want there are other ways they can overcome that they can take it , they can if you have a passion for music you can take it as up take up as a hobby


ah or or I can't think of any other other example even like you you talk about relationship, uh this is very tricky but as a uh and this is actually even, uh more uh more often because you are a person is led by the emotion and that decision that you make is


purely on uh maybe purely on lust or purely on uh their own uh, low self esteem or their low or your emotion at the moment to get into relationship with that person, so uh a third person a third party look from outside looking in would have a better understanding of the two persons were in their relationship


and they would give a more impartial advice, at whether they should or should not ah go ahead


right so uh, okay so they, what is right and what is wrong is it's of course is also up allowing up the person to uh make its own decision


right so even though you make that decision what is uh right and wrong coming from the uh advice from others, uh, it it it is is


it's are just really something that they, they are, they're not seeing they they they they try to resist uh I think most people try to resist taking advice from, uh from their from their elders or from people who care for them


so when they when a person is being told what to do, out of ah out of their concern these people generally resist and and they end up doing stuff doing things, that uh would be harm more more harmful for them than uh actually living


a right or a a a a a life that they they envision themselves to be, yeah can


okay thank you sylvia for your sharing alright, you have one minute what


yes they should they should be expected to take on the advice of others and let them uh, let them guide them let them show them the way because they are because the others are making a decision eh not a decision but


giving them an advice and they are in the state of being very impartial, and they are not in the state of very uh being emotional therefore I strongly strongly believe that uh your life a person life should be coming from the advice of uh others thank you


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part three debate topic three


okay so I do not favour that uh women should be in the, uh political leader and in fact they should not be in the position of power


(ppc) yes so in my (ppc), so in fact men and women are uh, made differently they're we are uh uh the men and women are are, not only physically they are different but more importantly when we talk about


holding a position of power emotionally they are vastly uh different, uh from each other therefore why women are usually known as the fairer sex so women are


are place emotions uh higher than men, so women get very emotional when comes to things that are matters, and they are led by their emotions they they cannot make decision uh or with uh


they are less likely to make a very tough and decisive decision because they they need to care they need to show that they are, uh they need to think for the other side they need to show much empathy


but that could as a as a nation as a political leader for nation that uh, men are usually are, men are usually more uh suitable because they can make uh decisions


uh because they do not put they can uh removed emotions from their uh when they when they're making that kind of decision, yeah


okay, but when yes, okay but


oh okay so I like uh what you mentioned on jacinda so I believe jacinda uh the prime minister of new zealand


they uh she actually got uh a lot of women on board for the for her cabinet, in her team so we see a a very uh trend here, women are very likely to hire women so that would be something that ah they


because they they feel that they need to prove that women are stronger are more they can be as, productive and uh be efficient as men or even, be better than men so they encourage they bring in their uh they bring


uh women on board to to the team and that would actually be something that is detrimental to the nation because that would be a gender disparity


okay


oh okay, uh why ah there's there is also


ah I believe that why nowadays we see more women uh uh in the political scene, it it it may not be because they are better at the job they is maybe it it can be seen as more uh of a political


uh to to show that they are the country is more, ah acceptable that there are more they can accept uh women it into into, uh office that uh make a national national decision


so uh I I would say that this is a this will not last and, therefore why men has been uh been the in the position of power, uh for last few hundred years


and I do not think that this would last it would be just a phase and after this phase men would come would be uh more, would take back uh the


the role of a leadership uh the political leader politic leadership role, and, uh I do not see they they are making a change


I see that making a change but do we require a change now, so this change may be something that is fresh but we have not seen ah how it work uh, have a positive uh in the long run have a positive effect of the nation


uh yes we would like to see that but that ah can they be allowed to uh make decisions that are


and they be allowed to make ah , the decision that is more uh uh, strong willed and to to look into that uh


ya so yes they could but I don't think they can be able to make decision that ah be devoid of emotion


okay, okay


okay, okay, uh uh uh men on the the other hand they are able to see ah


further they're able to see uh things uh to plan ahead, uh they are more likely to to see their their plan ahead than women, and therefore their decisions uh the way they make a decision may not be popular but in the long run