sorry this is the open debate point right so I suppose uh we could to have a, more interactive way of uh continuing this debate so maybe I I will just stop you there uh I don't think uh when I talk about the BCA standard and the platinum mark I don't think I'm just referring to the BCA platinum mark per se there's actually you're right the platinum mark et cetera


uh standards that people companies should strive to reach so maybe it's not the stick approach per se but it comes with a set of regulations that companies have to follow so when you put them all of them in, in totality right uh there's the stick approach and there is the carrot approach the stick approach meaning there is if you don't follow these rules you are you will not be allowed to construct your buildings or rather you have to pay taxes on top of


the general construction costs that will be the stick approach but together with that there is also the carrot approach which is what you rightfully pointed out that the platinum mark that you get the recognition the excellence the excellent standard that would, be I would say the carrot approach but it is a blended approach you see at the end of the day these are all part of the regulatory framework


I think when we talk about regulation it's not just laws per se it's not just stick, the stick per se is actually the carrot and the stick this this forms the regulatory approach regulation just means that it is not just laws but it is standards that is set by the government or the governing organisation perhaps when I've when I explain this way it it might be a little bit clearer


sorry


okay sorry I may have to stop you there I get what you I get your point on the on the uh on the tradable permits uh pollution permits sorry I get that I get that I get that that's also regulation but I think if we were to come back to the question right uh


you need to compare that towards education as a solution so how, oh I'm so sorry okay okay please proceed sorry sorry


but you see at the end of the day the tradable permits right they are they are fixed number so even if shell and exxon buys our all of it right that is the maximum for example damage that they can do if next year the government decides okay instead of for example five hundred tradable permits at the market we're gonna reduce it to say two hundred


then they still have to act within the regulatory framework which is two hundred so there is still it is still regulation is still more effective you see


one debate topic one


okay so regarding what of mine have said I actually agree it to a certain extent


but however I also disagree with the statement as I feel that education to a certain extent causes a loss of creativity all around the world the arts are seen as less important than math, history and science by schools students are actually required to take just of what deemed as foundational subjects while the more creative curriculum is almost discouraged


this also creates a social perception that arts are not as necessary as science subjects in singapore's education system and context the grading is almost entirely based off a fixed correct answer which does not allow room for creativity


this process discourages students to make mistakes if teachers taught in a way that encourages creativity then no answer is a wrong answer mistakes are necessarily, are necessary because out of the mistakes comes experience and original ideas and original ideas are what more important to us and differentiate us from robots


after all at the end of the day there are no certainly right or wrong answers in the world and we will have to make our own decisions and judgment, the current educational system grows kids out of their natural creativity and pushes them towards being adults who are scared to have an original idea with the fear it will be wrong this is something that needs to be resolved and is critical


creativity should be held at a higher importance in today's, world furthermore, education actually causes perfectionism mindset among students, and then overconcern for superficial achievements increasingly academic outcomes are focused entirely on high achievements as judged by grades and acceptance at prestigious colleges and universities


each goal is higher than the last and the stress increases along the way as students get into higher stage and the next stage of life, students should be determining what is important for them each day and not what they need to do to keep up or move ahead of their peers students should also not


not go around, what is expected of them and have a mind of themselves, this extension on others' evaluation alienates us from our own learning interests and life actions


in such an environment failure leads to shame self loathing depression and persistent disappointment rather than serving as feedback for future success, where failure is be perceived by students as not an option cheating becomes rampant as it currently is in our current schools


eventually this increases the chance of mental illnesses as more students break upon too much mental stress and pressure being exerted on them beyond the amount that their growing minds can handle, ya so that's my argument for this topic


imagine uh I would say that this statement actually builds on the high stress level that actually the singapore's education system has like take it for example okay take it for example for us the first exam that we like major exam that we have is like the PSLE


when we as compared to other uh other education in take it as the US where they just go by grades and there isn't any major uh test for them to separate the kids and I feel that when kids like at the age of like uh primary six level their minds have not been grown enough


to handle such an high amount of stress where the parents and the society wants them to go to #hwa chong# or, any of the prestigious schools, so therefore that's when stress comes in and I feel that uh especially in the singapore asian family context uh students don't really share a lot of their problems with their with their parents and I think more of like (ppc) they just don't want to disappoint their parents and


end of the day they will tend to keep a lot of this pressure and stress within them-self and actually there are a lot of cases there are a few cases where some students actually went to commit suicide or something because of the stress that they're handling (ppc) and I personally just feel that


this shouldn't be the case for a primary six student because after all education is not just about grades and is a lot more on about how they grow and the learning is very important so, in a sense it really kills a lot of uh creativity and also really increase a lot of pressure for students and that should not be the case


ya actually I I agree with I agree with you on this


but I think like I said in one of my point just now actually maybe our education system in general focused a lot on the science part okay also maybe because singapore is uh we don't have a lot of natural resources with us and we really depend a lot on expertise for us to really go forward and


ya so at the end of day I think really what merit my point is that uh, students are not encouraged to take on like uh very creative uh subjects take it as okay take it as when we are in secondary school right, so uh and arts maybe as a subject arts is not really encouraged to be taken on as compared to like biology or physics cause like parents feel that you know arts won't be much of a use in the future and I think even in university context


like uh compared to students that go to that take a arts uh degree compared to a science like computer science degree I think the social perception is there that like oh maybe the arts degree is not as recognised or anything than uh


a computer science degree which should not be the case because I feel that uh at the end of the day arts degree really train a lot on their students on the critical thinking part where uh a science degree may not because there's actually a lot of technical uh foundations that is teaching and needed to be taught in the science uh degree


ya but I but I do agree with you that uh education actually has bring a lot of benefits ah but I think what I listed is just one of the more slightly major side effect or like negative effect that education has bring


(mmhmm)


okay I I okay ya I actually agree with your points but I also feel that like okay I think I think singapore like namely the education system it does not actually uh provide a lot of opportunities for students to pursue arts ya so take it as


like even okay like secondary school JC that that area really a lot of the subjects are very science-based and you know there's actually this saying that like you can't judge a fish by its ability to climb to climb the tree, so if someone is actually born uh artistically inclined and not so inclined in like the science area


ya the education system basically it's very unfair to them for this people but ya I agree with you that uh that actually schools uh that actually supports this, uh artistic uh area like the game design and stuff actually like like one of the example is like SIT so SIT have a lot of interesting courses like game design by DigiPen and a lot of uh collaboration with other universities


I think ya this actually uh a good steps that singapore is taking as compared to like a few years ago where there really isn't much support for this but I feel that like in singapore the arts scene is really still growing and very new, as compared to other countries ya like uh US or other countries that already have their art scene very developed and very supported by the locals


ya so I think in singapore like being an artist like I think there's this recent uh survey also shows that like like in the top non essential jobs ya and like artists are one of one of the top few in the list and, ya I just feel that like in a sense singapore is making progress in like recognising arts to a certain extent but


uh it also like the uh the effort isn't really enough for us to be substantial because I feel that in singapore actually there are a lot of talented artists and a lot of my friends also noticed that a few of them actually have agree that have really that talent but they just decide not to pursue it


because like there really isn't a future in singapore and if they really want to like, have something big or like have something great with it they will need to migrate overseas just for it and they would not like to do that because like their family everything is here and


ya so you kind of just like push down their hopes and dreams to be like an artist and just go and get a job there really feeds the family and everything ya so I just feel that like in the long run maybe more more effort can be taken for the growth of the art scene in singapore ya


okay actually I think what you said is quite true and, ya I think I think in singapore in general like the arts scene is just there's a lower demand for, uh artists like artists in a sense where you know game developer like uh all all these artists as compared to like more uh not say skilled individuals but more of uh like science based individuals because like I think at the end of the day singapore like I said does not have any natural resources so


uh we really need to depend on the expertise for us to really strive in such a society these days and I think that's why singapore don't really put so much uh effort into the art scene because, uh economically and financially it it does not really depend on the art scene but I think it's really trying some effort to actually improve on the art scene in singapore ya so


, I think like especially in like uh like singapore take it as in singapore you know we live very deeply into our asian cultures and the asian expectation that you have like you know like you know they say there's this pillar three pillars of like asians like it's either doctor lawyer or engineer ya so so in a sense that where


uh you said that you know there's arts course in in primary school and secondary schools for students to try out arts I think it's just more of like like I feel that even if the student the child want to pursue arts you know I think there will also be a lot of uh


uh disagreement in the family because of this uh asian culture we have like I said, ya so I think maybe some things can be changed it's like, where actually parents can have a different mindset and perspective of arts like like it does feeds the family like you know it does brings the bread to the family but at the end of the day ya just be more encouraging especially the curriculum that we have ya maybe more flexibility in the creative curriculum


ya


okay so basically for me I feel that you know like education is necessary for success because uh at a long run it provides like financial stability


and also uh independence ya so although high education or a college degree are not a guarantee uh for luxurious life like you said just now, but the fact that is that people with a faculty levels of education usually ends up working at a better paying job ya and this will immediately enable you to lead a more relaxed lifestyle


since the existence of money issue probably won't worry you as you have a full time job and the greater salary you have the wider option for dynamic adventurous and comfortable life you have, and you'll be capable of investing into future and also into various pleasures


also high education means that you'll be valuable society member and not replaceable easily and this will provide you with a lot of independency to add on education also increases your position in the social hierarchy


so in an ideal world all the children and people would have a fair and equal chance for success but that is not the fact in reality we do live in a world that divides mostly into socially economic classes


with some people having better and other lower chances to succeed, however gaining high education may be your best argument for equality and the ticket for higher life standard, furthermore with every country hosting reputable reputable colleges and generating numerous highly educated people it creates a better society as it manifest economic


cultural and other form of prosperity this is due to educated people usually being more responsible and aware of themselves and the environment capable of resolving various community problems


attracting more money and finally pushing the society towards continuous progress when you have when you have large number of highly educated people, in a certain population democracy works better voting makes more sense and higher civilization standards are maintained regularly


so moving on to my last point, universities also give you the opportunity for continuous academic progress where effort are rewarded and stimulated all of these improves people's self-confidence and higher self-esteem further


influence other all other aspect in life including someone's love life and social life also practicing your critical manner of thinking will make you less skeptical for various traps, scams exploitations and similar manifestations of other people or the system itself abusing poorly educated people


(mmhmm)


(hmm) ya I agree with you where like like okay take it like at the end of the day degree is not as important right so because like there other like you said that there's other uh successful people like bill gates and and even nick steve job did not completed his college


ya so I think in a sense ya I agree with you you know like education in a sense is not that important but like you know the secondary school JC, (ppc) actually that lays the foundation for us to actually explore what we really like like for by if I'm not wrong like for the facebook founder uh he actually marks uh mark zuckerberg he actually


did not actually finish his uh degree because like uh when at the start of his degree he's actually already starting to program and he had this idea so he actually invited uh some people to his uh hall and to his dorm and they actually discussed the idea, and at the end of the day only only like one of them accepted the idea so the two of them start working on the Facebook project and at the end of the day actually it become such a hit and he just like decided to quit college uh degree


to pursue the the creation of the Facebook ya I think like with like all the coding knowledge that he have learnt and probably knowledge that he have learnt like previously he's a lot a lot actually based on maybe what he have learnt in the high school or


or when before he even go to college so I think it's it's very important for at the end of the day for the secondary and JC level to actually teach such essential skills which I think we we really are seeing it like in singapore actually, uh there's this news curriculum for secondary school where students actually need to take a programming module ya so in that sense it's I think singapore is taking uh some steps towards it especially towards like uh a smart nation that what our government is actually pushing the country for


okay maybe in that sense if you put it that way then ya I would say that that education does provide a a good base for success you know like uh basic education is needed to for one to explore his interest and also to has the fundamental skills to you know strive in what the person do


but I think one thing that like education does not provide that is needed for success, is actually the maybe the moral education that actually provides so like I think you know to be able to be successful in life it's a lot about the attitude and also the mindset that you have but I don't think education actually teach that in the sense that uh it it really based on how a person handle stress I will say


so like you know some people resort to cheating when they when they faced stress or some people actually you know they just uh succumb under stress ya so but but however some people actually uh grow to become stronger and better at managing stress in the long run, where some people just run away from it so I think it's a lot about this uh mental


mental mindset that they have and also the attitude ya and I don't think this attitude actually can be taught by education like it's really a lot about the upgrowing and also maybe okay maybe I can does be a part like in a in the sense that, where how the school inculcate the value into the students but I think at the end of the day whether the student absorb it and how efficient the moral education is to the student is really based on how it is being conducted and how the students is very is is receptive to it ya


ya I agree with you but (ppc) in a sense that like


that education is is still important in a sense that it like you said that it provides a very the basic skills right they provide them for success, but uh in a sense I feel that like there's something more important than that is also like the education guidance that a school need to provide for the students so I've quite a few like like you know in from primary school to like JC


from what we have worked all the way I feel that we're just in a very like systematic system where we just you know go transit with the flow and stuff, I think therefore like a lot uh I think there are quite a number of like adults when they actually hits the working world they actually get quite lost when


like when they're in the mid-career because like, maybe since you know since primary school the next step we know is secondary school and after that the next step you know it's like JC or poly and after that it's university so you know everything's being guided but once they're actually up in the working world they actually feel that they are just very lost and you know they don't know what's the next step to do because they the system doesn't show them what's the next step to do


and the system the system only stops at like uh at university level, so in a sense I feel that in for schools it's actually very important to teach like the the career guidance or like some guidance for them to actually discover the interests and passion in


in what they love and what they want to do and actually I think this is very well reflected in like even in secondary school where you know they have like modules or I'm sorry I mean subjects where they actually, help students to discover the goals they have like what do you want to do and like there's goals setting so goals setting in a sense that there's short term goal there's long term goal so short term maybe you know I want to go JC I want to go poly


and long term goal maybe like they really know what they want like they want to be a a finance analyst or something like that, and I think that is good because like in a sense like like for a metaphor will be like you know like uh a arrow and a bow like you there's no point pulling the arrow so back when you've got no target to shoot


ya so in a sense this actually gives them a target to work forwards to and this actually motivates them in the long run lah I feel and when come to poly level there are also like the e career guidance and there are actually modules to help, students to actually develop themselves uh personally and so discover what they really want to work as


ya in the future and this is very uh quite important to me I would say, and I think all this really boils down to like the education system that we have ya


, (ppc) I think I agree with that sense that like a lot of my my friends also they go JC because they do not know what they want in the long run


but and ya and I just feel that sometimes like JC does not have the necessary career guidance that is required because like even now a lot of my friends that just graduated from JC you know they does not know what they want in the uni courses cause like in a sense I think JC does not put a lot of effort in like finding the target for them so I think that should be an area to be improved on lah


part three debate topic three, oh sorry, okay part three debate topic three


(ppc) okay so I agree with you that like you know education to a certain extent is the solution of the problem of crime because uh if someone is well educated they will know what is right and what is wrong, and to a certain extent it does it does help in the in the problem of crime but I to a certain extent I do not agree because like I feel that the education system does not necessarily teach students like the moral values


and like you know how often in school where we are really driven by grades and, I think sometimes we are so driven in grades that uh we don't really the the the values in us are not that important so like for example like you know students sometimes students cheat because they feel the pressure and they feel the the need to do well like to impress their like to not disappoint their parents


ya so in a sense I feel like that actually kind of destroy the moral value and after all crime is being, committed because like maybe the values is wrong or like, maybe like they're not being taught what is right or wrong in school so like cheating sometimes you know like sometime you cheat it it just feels like like you know it's wrong but


like it's necessary so does crime some people do that for crime too and I feel that because of that like the moral values is not very well thought and inculcated into the students when they're studying the education so I think that that's where like education system needs to change


like where more morals education should be inculcated into the curriculum and you know students maybe not taught what is right or wrong but in a sense, train them to have their own judgment and know how to decide themself what is right or wrong because many time in life uh there are actually a lot of grey areas when it comes to what is right and what is wrong


ya so in the sense I feel the education system should, teach students like moral values, therefore education, is not really the solution to to crime like in the sense that teaching them what is right uh what is like what law is it because after all it's more important to understand the reason behind the law like why this law there ya I mean after all everything has a reason ya and uh also uh to add on


I also feel that so okay education is a solution to the problem of crime but I feel that what's more important is the policy that the government makes, cause I feel that actually in a sense a lot of times uh people commit crime not because they want to but also because they need to so for example there are cases where like uh


from there are cases that are in china or in other countries where you know the homeless actually they got so hungry and they rather be locked up in jail where they're being serve food and shelter that's compared to like you know being out there and just begging for food and everything so I feel that in that sense the policies not strong enough to


to prevent this ya so I feel that the policy is very important in a sense that if they would want to decrease the number of crime and everything the policy should be strong enough to discourage crime from happening


I think ya like teachers are spreading awareness like telling them the consequence of like cheating and why is it not right and everything but I feel that like in a sense that actually should change in a sense that like uh it should really discourage like it is discouraging cheating in the sense like but I think the moral value part like


like some people like cheating is really wrong and like I think it really affect a lot on the moral value and I think this actually brings on lah like in a sense where you know some people feel that uh if you can cheat in secondary school like like rule is nothing to them you know like like


like it doesn't matter because they broke the rule once, ya and the thing is that some some rules revolves around like values and everything so, ya that's that's what I feel lah


(ppc) I agree with you and the part where you say that like, uh moral education should be taught at home right so actually okay ya that part I do agree with you that like because students do spend a lot of time at home more than school but I think that like especially in singapore where like a lot of uh


parents both parents are actually working and uh they're actually either taken care in like childcare or like, taken care by their grandparents I think in that sense teaching moral values and moral education is important like when it comes to like school, like being taught in school and also like for childcare I think it's also important for them to like teach moral values ya because like


I think parents are also very busy working working for to feed the family and so like to provide the best education to their children and in that sense they may not actually have the time to actually you know inculcate the moral values, ya but I also feel like moral values should be inculcated since young because like the older you get the hard the more you'll question about things so you know like from young you are you are being taught that you know you should be honest or you should be this and that


uh eventually when you grew up it is you will just become that person that you are being taught to be, and ya so I think more important is like the education that the the moral education that is being taught when the children is young ya so in a sense parents can teach that their when they are having their the first few years of the children's uh life


okay, so regarding this I, do agree with you, like that in a sense that schools does keep their students in check ya like for example when they actually commit a crime or something like the the police will actually inform the school about it or the school would be know of it and they'll send them to counselling ya like what you said just now


and actually this counsellor really I think, they really put a lot of effort in like counselling the student and make ensuring that they actually go on the right track, because like I think when they're young like especially for secondary school, like uh counselling is uh secondary primary school counselling is actually a very


like it's not a negative thing but, but like the the teacher in the class will actually send you to counselling if like they feel that you will need some assistance in that, ya so in a sense that with this counseling I think students will get better and I feel that a lot of time uh students like they actually commit like crime like or become rebellious because in a sense


they actually do not, maybe they do not feel the care or feel the the love that you know like normally they will receive and they actually want attention but through committing these crimes and I think that the counselor actually play a very important role in like helping them to realize that there are people that care about them and they should not treat themselves like that because it's unfair to them and also unfair to others


ya and the part where you say that teachers actually spend time and effort to like uh educate the student that you know what is right or wrong and also be close with them ya I think that really helps in the issue where we are discussing where the problem of crime like take it as like secondary school crime because like I feel that once a student or once a person actually have a close connection with someone


where is they know that you can trust and is leading them the right way I think they won't they won't tend to commit crime more because like, they feel more of a belonging and so, they know that they'll they're gonna disappoint someone and that feeling is not something that they will want to feel ya so they would rather uphold with


what they have and knowing that someone actually care for them I think that's what's more important


ya I agree with you that like, uh, uh where you (UNK) when it comes to like form teachers they actually play a very important role when it comes to like helping the student to get on the right track and everything but I feel that for form teacher actually you know like a form teacher normally manages a class of like forty or twenty


so in that sense it's also very hard for them to keep track of uh uh of their students well so maybe in a sense if they feel that you know the the student need more counselling and need more guidance they'll send them to the counsellor instead, where they are actually more trained in that area lah because like I think counsellors they normally like know psychology and study psychology so they know like how how to understand and like you know make someone comfortable with them and got to say things out ya


I also think in that sense like form teacher does play a role and also counsellor also does play a role in this issue, but I like I think I said just now like I think one thing also important to resolve crime is also I think also the policy that is in place lah not not just policy like governmental policy but also like


I think schools policy and stuff ya so I think if policy is if the right policy is being placed in place then, I think the crime rate will definitely drop a lot ya but I think definitely I think some, definitely some rules and some policies are more biased towards uh different economical class of people and I think that is some a problem that we should really resolve in


uh such a such in such a society that we are living in these days


I feel that like school rules and school, rules are generally uh guided and shaped by the general rule in the public like the governmental rule so I feel that if there's a change in the governmental rule like the policies and everything definitely to a certain extent it'll change the rules in school which is a chain effect to students ya


part one, debate topic one, okay for the first topic is to what extent can education improve the lives of people


so from the research I did on this website called knowledge heart, on the article on seven ways education powers a better world, okay the first point is, education spreads awareness


so what does this mean is that sometimes people are misled by false belief, and they sometimes will lead to doing more harm than good in society, so education helps us to question and gives us an analytical mind


allow us to reject false beliefs, an educated mind ask for logic and scientific reason behind all these actions, for the second point, is to know what is right and wrong


educated can differentiate what's right and wrong, research has shown that increasing high school completion rate by one per cent would save up to one point four billion in reduced cost of from crime, then the next point is it helps progress


what does this mean is that education opens up a host of opportunities, especially relevant to now where technology and education ensure opportunities are not limited to geography, okay the fourth point


it will be gives us a healthier lifestyle, so what does this mean is that educated people tend to live longer and have better lifestyles, for example, research done in europe have shown that a thirty year old tertiary educated man can expect to live eight years longer than a same age man


who has not completed upper secondary education, okay the next point is, help us to be more productive, what does it mean is that the more degrees you have, the better would be your economic performance


there is a deep connection between education and productivity where there is competition every turn and education allows the industry or nation to flourish, for my second last point, it means


connect us across borders, this means that it gives like students or anybody across borders opportunities to connect and communicate to build a better future, and lastly the last point


gives empowerment, this means that education turns weakness into strength, give us the confidence to stand for ourselves, it also improves decision making capabilities make us mobile and access to


uh social networks


okay so you say that, uh, maybe students who receive like more stress or depression, because due to the higher competition in schools or something, but the thing is that in schools there are teachers that if there are if the students are okay to open up then the teachers are able to help them in schools


so it sometimes it may not lead to depression only if you open up to the teachers


okay I think, uh some points that you say are true because, like parents or teachers sometime, want the student to like have, high grades or something then you they will lead to like, uh


what's that ah, like depression ah because they cannot do well in the exams or something but like, normally uh like all this education will help to, uh it will be better in the near future like for example when you go to poly or JC it's just that they don't know for now


I think once the parents or teachers show like what you can do in the future if you do this or if you study this or you study that then I think they'll be more motivated to, to study hard even though like it's very tough for them ah ya


I think for uh for uh students to uh wants to like follow on the creative or the art path, I think in the past it was harder cause there are like lesser schools


that want to teach art to people but for now there are like there's there's one school in Bugis or something where it teaches a lot of art, and I think, for example I'm from the IT course ah so


there is a art programme where you can learn, how to draw just for like games I think those are very good but, I think for singapore the art, like the opportunities to find a job related to this kind of job like skills or art will be quite hard unless you go overseas so but going overseas the opportunity will be widened out because a lot of companies want some


someone that have like a strong art uh like background so that like example for the, for like movies or animations or like games then they can improve the like the animations ah ya


so I think (ppc) you just need to find, for students who want to have the art path they just need to find the right, opportunity and the right, path lah the right path or the right job


you cannot just like it's just stop one just focus on your studies and not think about the future of where you want to go, must think about that then you can, see where you want to go in the future ya


okay I think like, uh I uh ya lah that that uh this, people like that who wants to be like a pure artist they don't have like much opportunities in singapore, but I think like every day


like for example you see websites or you see uh posters those also need like, uh a bit of art background just to design a website or poster then even if you if you can even draw very nicely on the poster I think that would be a good point lah but I think that


if you just want to be a pure artist if you just want to be a pure artist in singapore is gonna be quite hard you must, you must give up like give yourself, other opportunities also, like just now I told you like uh you help design for a poster or a website


cause this kind of things must like have like color coordination or you must do different kind of pictures and see what what suits the poster meaning or something I think those are a good opportunities for all these artists


to like explore other opportunities they not they need not uh, like focus on like a pure artist and like example want to draw something and expect people to buy that drawing so I think it's better to have to explore other opportunities ya


I think if you want to be artist I think you from the start would already know like, uh maybe like primary school or secondary school there will be this subject where uh, where you ah it's just it's drawing ah or art or painting or something like that I think this is where teachers should tell them oh if you are interested in art you should like explore these opportunities because there are quite a number of uh students


uh that are not even interested in art but maybe if we can show them like, the opportunities that the art path can lead to maybe some of them will like will prefer to go to this art path then maybe like for like


all the parents say oh want to go JC or something then say never mind I think if I want go art path I think I should go to the school I think it's called NAFA or something ah ya then I think from there I think the teachers will teach you like what are the the job opportunities


for like being if you want to pursue this path but for now I don't know I'm not sure of the opportunities that uh like, uh art of a creative person can do ya, ya ya


part two debate topic two


part two debate topic two okay uh, okay for this next topic, it'll be consider the view and education is no longer necessary for success, okay I think this is not true because like for example having a degree gives a good advantage in like anything like for example finding for jobs although it does not guarantee success it improves the chances of getting noticed


(ppc), having a degree offers individuals with extensive options to explore opportunities of their choices and they also have the fundamentals in hand through the degree for the job opportunities in the future


and the next point is that having education also helps with economic growth, for example, africa has the highest unemployment rates because of a main reason lack of education in addition they do not have enough skills and work experience


countries like africa often lack the resources to provide proper education or help citizens make a living, if everyone has access to education in africa they will have better chances chances of for employment around the world


ya that's my short point ya


okay (ppc) I think, uh if I want to state my my point of view if, I want to say it it is true uh


if if it's true that education is not no longer necessary for success I'll give example like for, think bill gates or maybe like some other successful uh founders of a company some of them uh were dropouts of college but they


they in the end became like one of the most successful uh people in eh not in singapore in the world, but like okay for example youtubers also a lot of them are successful and a lot of them are


college dropout or high school dropouts, but what if I say that if example one day YouTube, uh, uh closes down or something and like in order for them to find job they only have


one uh, one, what's that a very good skill ah which is like make uh creating videos or making videos I will think that, in at least you have to uh finish your college or high school to like


even if you want to try uh try other options at least you still have like a basic knowledge of something so that example if you want to, go to like other, if you want to go to other jobs at least you have that basic knowledge


I think education is really, uh it's not really ah but is needed for success because it as uh even if you are a working adult, you can always learn stuff like through courses or websites these are also a part of like


education, if you want to like maybe during half uh during part uh your job then you will take a different path or you can, uh learn something more than what your job offer


and maybe your, maybe your supervisor or something will say !wah! you learn this uh job uh like this skill by yourself, or like this uh through these courses then maybe they will like provide you with a different kind of project where you can like utilise the the new skill that you have learnt I think all these are also considered as education


anything that you learn even if you learn hands-on during your, work also can be education, cause all these will be needed like for, like, for the maybe like the success of the project


or the success of your future anything also can ya


ya I I agree with you because if uh like if you look at what we study in primary school or secondary school they do not, uh tell us of our choices in the future they just focus on like the subject


and what you study in the subject, but what, uh many students really realise about, eh not realise is what a lot of students find out what they want to do in the future is when they go to poly or JC


think once we go from there you will like learn what you want to do in the future, and I think this is part of like the education because they teach you, what you want, not like in secondary school where the the subjects are too broad


and you're not sure what to do and you just follow, uh like, what schools are available to you like if you if you never do good and you go ITE then it's like !aiya! just just go lor uh I means this kind of people don't have like they never think of uh what they gonna do in the future they just do what they have now


I think, maybe even if you if you go to ITE, the teachers there will teach you, what, uh I mean like teach you the subjects and they also will be more open to talk to you about


uh like job, like, skills or job opportunities that you can do in the future when you go through this course then even if like the student wants to like change course they will also be quite open to it, , and they will tell you that, or if you change to this course this course will give you this uh


wide job scope, so I think at least you have to go through uh like, at least ITE poly or JC where the teachers will, will like teach you, where you should go in the future


I think if you stop at secondary school there are not much people to talk to except like your parents and the friends you talk to outside, then if, if like for example some secondary school students who never uh


they don't have like the the money, or or the finances to go to, the next school or something or like, ITE or JC they will eventually start working, but when you start working that time you don't have


your your job, opportunities are very little cause you're young and that, you don't have much skills and a lot of employers will want won't want you because of the because of like you have very little skills lah so some


some people will eventually go NS and then NS that time they will think of I, uh I don't have any other like any other future so why not I sign on for NS but those that sign on for NS if they stick to that vocation or something means they only have that skill once you get out of NS and find a job it'll be quite hard because you only have that skill and you also


uh ended your education uh, level at secondary school only so I think, I think students would should actually go through JC or poly or ITE so that at least they have the


basic skills, like for example uh IT even if you you think that ITE is very lousy or something but even if you go through the IT course in the ITE at least you have the basic skill, of IT so that


even next time you can uh find an IT job, ya ya


okay I think what you say is true but like I think in the secondary, school the teachers or like the subjects that, okay uh in secondary school, we don't have much uh foundation of


what we're gonna do in the future it's only until like when you go to sec four, or sec five and you want to think should I go to poly should I go to JC I think this is the part where teachers should tell them, uh, what each path will lead you to like for example


if you want to go to poly, then like, you can learn the like you can straight away learn, the the, the skills or the like the, the job skills that you need next time


but if you want if you go to JC you'll still learn but it will be uh very little and you'll be focusing more on your A levels, so I think that if you want to really focus on, like hands-on of your, job next time then you should go to poly but that is if you know what to do


once eh you know what to do when you're in like secondary four or secondary five I think for those people who don't know what to do they'll still just go to JC because, if you if they see the poly courses option


they still don't know what to do, I think they, at least once they go JC then, they will like they will like explore what they want to do in the future so, I think if depends on the education like path if you go to JC or if you go to poly for poly is if you are already set on


what you want to do in the future because if, if you want to like change your skills or something then you have to like after your diploma it'll be quite hard and you have to like go through courses or something then even if you want to go to uni it's better to have like a basic knowledge before you go into uni


for JC uh not so sure ya


part three debate topic three


(ppc), okay uh I'll start first okay the, the next or the last and the last topic is, the solution to the problem of crime is education discuss


I think this is true because people can learn what are the punishment criminals are going to face when they commit a crime, this is especially so due to the improvement in technology where one can gather info via print media like newspaper


digital media like uh, websites or something and like social media, like for example, crime watch, which is a show on our local TV station showcases the efficiency of local police force


by showing the swift apprehension of criminals, and the low tolerance of criminal activities, such public education not only deters potential crimes but also raise raises awareness to public about the importance of staying alert outdoors


in another article that I research on uh yesterday there's also a study that focus on three to four years old children that were enrolled in an education programme for fifteen years, those that didn't participate in the programme miss out on important opportunity for child early childhood development


which has a higher chance of being arrested for a crime when they're older, (ppc), this shows that, early childhood education and development is integral in ensuring the mental health and development of children and helping crime prevention at later ages


ya that's my stand


I think it is it's true to what you've said but even like, (ppc), even teachers in, uh or like example, uh in poly when we do our, exam every time the teachers will


they'll have this uh short (ppc) ten minute briefing before the exam we take and they'll always emphasise on, uh, uh what we do I mean what are we, if like for example if we cheat (ppc) like they always emphasise that if we cheat


what what will happen like you will immediately stop your exam or like your, you'll get like a temporary suspension all this they'll always say it before uh, they'll always say it before the exam starts so that


they will so that the students will remember oh you should not uh cheat, so I think that, uh the teachers are already doing their part to, to like spread awareness of what you do this kind of things ya


I think uh, I think uh education also is not really uh, the solution to the problem of crime I think you what you say is the moral values because even like there are some students in secondary school even though they already have education it's just that they don't want to listen in class then once they go out they will like make friends with other people or don't know


like other people or something then sometimes, if uh it's not already crime but they will think that stealing from a store is okay then they will do it a few times, cause they they never get caught I think this is part of like the moral values


but I think moral values parents should be the one that teach them about the moral values not really education, because when education is that you go to school and you just sit down in class and learn stuff


and sometime you are not even motivated to uh, not even motivated to listen in class so once once your school end you'll feel like you'll feel the freedom or something ah then they will they will feel like doing something uh bad that they're are already used to it like stealing or something


I think also, if I want to if I want to say that education is a solution I would say that teachers have to communicate with the students a lot more, I think for


uh those teachers that don't communicate with the students and just come to class just to teach, I think their the their relationship, with the teachers is not that good, and sometimes they


maybe due to this relationship that their the, their studies for these uh subject is not that good but if your if you have a better relationship with your teacher your teacher will be willing to teach you, and then


once they they're willing to teach you then they will like, your maybe maybe your grades will be better, because they have their attention on you, then even if you think that oh should I cheat because I I don't know how to do this then you'd think of uh what your teacher have got like uh


have done for you like for like teaching you for so long then you if you want to get caught then your teacher will be very uh very disappointed in you because he he or she has already gone through a lot of effort to teach you so they would rather


have a person to be more honest and have like lower grades than higher grades but actually cheat ya


ya I think also moral education can come from school because, uh there are a lot of teachers are willing to help you or like help students who are in difficult uh or if who are having difficulty , like for example there are uh maybe like some


students uh committed crimes in school but after the teachers have talked to them, or like uh give them some counselling, they'll suddenly have like the motivation and


they will feel like I should study and work hard then at the end of the day, sometimes their O level and N level grades are like uh higher because they put in their effort to study it I think it's because of uh like example if you if they did a crime back in secondary school


a lot of people will look look down on you, and a lot of them don't want that and they realise that, they are quite lucky because you are not going to jail, and you'll be you'll like undergo


a lot of counselling and this counselling uh mostly is secondary school teachers will like counsel you, then I think from that point, uh the secondary school teachers will have like a better relationship with you and that


they are willing to help you change and they are willing to teach you also cause they don't they they do not want to see a a student fail in class cause that is you are the teacher and that is your your like your student and they do not want to see you fail


that's why I think it's good to have good teachers in secondary school because there are some teachers that do not care about teaching at all they just come to class and just read off from the PowerPoint and that's it that's the end of the day I think this kind of teachers should at least give the effort


to like talk to the students, ya


ya I think what you say is true because, like I think like, normally in secondary schools or primary schools they will have form teachers like the teachers that will take care of each class I think they they should keep in check of what


the students are actually doing and what are their what is going on on their their lives because normally some form teachers they just do not care and they just like they just tell the class oh you have to do this you have to do that but I think like during their free time or like maybe like during recess


I think the teachers should like approach the students, and like talk to them and make like uh form a better relationship with each other, so that this kind of, like for like even before before you do the crime for example a student before you do a crime you are you already have a very good relationship with a teacher so right after like for example after he did the crime then I think he will be more open to talk to the form teacher that has already


they already form a good relationship so they the student don't do not mind talking to or like opening up to the form teacher but if like for example counselling some some teachers are like new to the student then it's not really comfortable for the students to open up


so I think like this kind of form teachers are play of the like important role of, uh , the growth of the student in the secondary school years


what you say is true to a certain extent because uh, I think rules, and laws that are, formed in secondary school students will just see and look past it it's only they will really listen when someone gets caught when someone gets caught then will be like oh


someone got caught like for example uh copying uh cheating in exam then they will they will start to not cheat in exam but if no one gets caught or like they do not have a so called an example they will think that


uh nobody will get caught so, they'll just do the they will just cheat in exam until like someone already gets caught in front of their eyes so I think some this policy and law they should, somehow change to make them uh understand better and not just look past it ya


part one debate one uh debate topic one


okay


medical science has been so successful that people now expect too much of it I don't think that is true I think people nowadays still have the skeptical feeling towards medical science, examples such as cancer HIVs and the latest COVID nineteen the coronavirus that has hit us since last year december are just some of the examples of the many virus that the so advanced medical science cannot cure


what medical science allow humans to is not to cure the viruses but to help prevent, by using a vaccination for the virus and if you get it right before you get the shots then too bad you get the virus nonetheless an example would be the most are a common flu shots that we get


almost every year before the flu season is coming up despite the flu shots we still might have a chance to get the virus as the virus we contracted, after we get a flu shot is totally different


from the flu uh, from the flu shot that we took just a few days ago medical science is so successful but people are definitely not expecting too much of it especially now with the latest uh with the COVID nineteen pandemic which took like almost half a million of lives worldwide


waiting for vaccination and up till now it has been like, so many months coming up almost to a year already and, vaccination is still unable to, uh provide


is still not yet researched it is still in researching lah so, yup there's vaccination second point is , transplantation of organs and other body parts with an artificial one


eighty five percent of the patients survived the first transplantation and uh the first year of transplantation and like only sixty nine percent survived three to five years after the uh their heart, transplant or even though it is a rather high percentage of people surviving in the first year but only sixty nine percent uh is able to made it through their third to fifth year and what happens after that


I believe that's, more and more people this percentage is going to grow uh go up hence the skeptical emotions that make people that trust in medical science is there lah so


we uh people therefore are unable to expect too much of it


you talk about disability and the last point


I give one example stephen hawking is a rather disabled person and so called medical science can bioengineer a lot of artificial body parts or like you can help modify genes and things like that but


he died without having any kind of, implantation for him and if, like such a living legend cannot get something it do you think that it is


impossible like do you think people still rely too much on, medical science to help cure the disability


case uh my second point is the risk of undertaking surgery and


like you know before you take any kind of surgery, as a guardian or as a family member or the person the patient undertaking the surgery, the doctor will beforehand inform, the guardian or the parents that there is a certain risks towards the surgery and


I believe that after hearing such risks there are many people not, willing to undertake the risks and therefore not do the surgery even though medical science is so successful that


you are able to, uh you are able to do this and do that but then, because of this risk, many people are still not expecting too much to it


say you have to take some sort of medication this medication comes with all sorts of side effect


which warn the patient or the medication user that he might get this and that I think after reading such do you think after reading such side effects that uh what happen to the patient


do you think the users will consume the medication


well if medical science is so successful I think that side effects this kind of thing should don't even exist I mean, ya cause medical science medication, has it is


not to cure something it is to like how to say it is to, make the virus kind of die down itself and, by doing by consuming the medication you introduced another kind of virus to your body or like it kind of destroy half of your immune immune system do you think people still rely too much of it


there's like too much side effects that will cause another patient to like, introduce more virus to his body or like because because of the


uh it because of it killing two many of its immune system ya, ya


ya let's say example antibiotics, , antibiotics (mmhmm) destroy all good and bad bacteria and it kind of destroy the immune system as well because if


the body cannot adapt to what ever the virus is tackling them then sorry the bacteria is a attacking them then they are unable to defend off, it so with without the good bacteria so


I feel that definitely people trust medical science but do not over like do not expect too much of it


recently I've read like a news it's about hong kong saying that they had hit the lowest flu uh number even though it is like the flu season, and then however


people are not taking the vaccination because of the, social distancing rule that corona virus the COVID nineteen has, implemented and then furthermore after I read a bit more they say that people are


will be likely more likely to get the flu because they didn't get the vaccination do you think that people are two reliance uh do you think that people are over, rely on vaccination and do you think that it is a good thing to be overly rely on vaccination


do you think that , genetically modification will be available, was as like very fast because right now vaccination kind of is


doing its job even though that medical science has promised us that if you modify some genes then you might not be you'll get stronger and that kind of thing


part two debate topic two


, you talk about posting of Instagram to show, to make like to draw attention or to like make uh to


have more likes on their posts but they're posting Instagram to like show their life to show that what they're doing at a certain point of time I really feel that, uh the modern world just want to share that what they are doing at a certain point of time and most importantly they want to keep that as a part of their memories


because as we grow older then we are unable to remember this kind of things do you keep like photo albums at home no because it is rarely ah but because it is, of the technology that we are blessed to have we can


store data into cloud service or we don't have to worry about the space in our house to store photos, and I don't think that it is too much reliance on technology but it is a way to help people


store the things that we share that we have, with that we do in life because it is because we still want to do this kind of stuff the modern world still want to do this kind of things we want to enjoy life


and, even though that tech the modern world cannot leave their devices alone for more than five minutes like you've said earlier to check for notification let's say from my bosses we still have to pick up the phone and then read what is on the text uh what he sent to us and


we still have to send him a thank you thanks for letting us work from home through things like communication even though that it has been made easier through technology but there is just so much technology can do we cannot ask our phone to answer the call


and then speak to the recipients in your own voice because, AI is not as it's not it's still not that advanced, uh we cannot make a sales using AI as it were seems a it will be seen as insincere that


you are trying to sell something but you're not really there and you we can't just get a proper diagnosis of the illness without a proper face to face talk with the, doctor and for depressed people emotional support is the the most important imagine


having someone uh uh having someone so depressed that they want they just want to talk to someone else but the receiving end is an AI is a answering machine that say


how are you today in a robotic voice I think it would definitely push this man to suicide as humans we definitely craves physical touch we want to talk to people face to face


remember during circuit breaker when all we can do is to talk to a computer screen even though that, you can literally see what the other people is doing but there is just this unsatisfactory that we are want we are unable to see them face to face


we through this circuit breaker I realized that we as human beings we love to meet our friends our loved ones, like we used to be hence, technology can do that much things but there are definitely some things that technology cannot be replaced


hence we are not too much relied on technology


okay my second point is that, even though


technology has been a part of us since the early decades how about those people that didn't live with it then they still survived it I recently read a article say are reading


I recently read an article that saying that, like account before the computer age people literally use their uh hands


pen pencil eraser to write and remove any, errors from it and it takes days to complete it technology helps us in a way but it can never replace us uh another example is that


auditing of the country ah uh sorry of the company auditors are still required to make the judgment if there are any fraud, uh any uh any mistake any, uh any crimes being uh offended by the company the recent case of the wire cut from the germany company is a good example


that's AI cannot be cannot solve this kind of problem human, are still required to be, there to make its own uh to make our own judgment that things is not rights because AI cannot feel things AI are not human beings and will never become human beings ya


I think what you say is true but electricity and this advanced technology, has not been here since they, start of time and people are very adaptable and I believe that


because we have adapted to so many so many things before that and I think that with us, minor breakdown of no electricity it will definitely cost us a hectic chaos for like a year or two but gradually we will definitely


just cut off away from technology itself hence I don't think that we're too much rely on it because humans are always finding new


alternatives to solve problems for example , using of the whale's bladder bladder uh blabber something like that to like make or the skin to make the whole stuff in like the early ages


because if the whales are going to be extinct that's why plastics was created to kind of substitute that thing the resource the limited resource, that we have ya hence I feel that humans are highly adaptable to situations and


ya let's say uh we we might let's say that there is no electricity that like you said before we human will adapt to this kind of situation nonetheless


ya but eventually we will rise again because we are very smart , just now you talk about are tech related stress yes it is caused by technology but it is caused by technology but it doesn't mean that we're uh overly relying too much on it


because we know that this kind of stress exist and you talk about them leaving to are wanting to go to remote areas to just chill for awhile and to get away from technology as as much as possible


I don't I feel that it is not something that, , the modern world if that the if the modern world is relying too much on technology will do something like that because if you are talking about too much reliance on technology


someone cannot even, not hold their phone for awhile I think he will just sleep with their phones, or like gadgets to as he will be so scared that things will happen to the gadget


more than his life because what you are trying to say I what I'm trying to say is, these people still care about their life their well-being nonetheless and therefore they are trying to use this means to get away from technology ya


(hmm) I think to conclude I feel that the modern world, rely on technology to a certain extent but I don't think it is too much to the point whereby we can replace technology with everything that includes like I said before


seeing face to face with a doctor to make a proper diagnosis of the illness the emotional support, that the depressed people, need, and communications communicating face to face is much so much more sincere than having to talk to a computer screen or through the phones or even and letting an AI to do his or her job


ya and humans we still crave the physical touch as a as evidently from the circuit breaker the quarantine sorry circuit breaker, that we have been through, uh in the early april


until like just recently, ya


part three debate topic three


okay , scientists is like the catalyst and then the users are like the god should it be this way for example albert einstein the founder of the most popular formula E equal to MC square


the nuclear that the nuclear atomic bomb that has ended world war two and gave US leverage a nuclear leverage and soon more and more countries are using it to show, who is the power on top he who has the power rule the world


do you think it is do you think it is correct I definitely do not think so and I feel that scientists should be concerned of how the, use of their discovery because


each scientist has a moral obligation that their invention does not adversely affect anyone who gives any human the right to play god, because


as human beings we're not supposed to harm another, human being and I feel that it is it should be this way, erm scientists should have in mind that concern for man and his well-being should be the objective of his inventions and discoveries


at the same time as highly educated individuals they should never forget, all man are made equal and no one should, resort to abusing invention to harm and equal


being for the sake of the safety around us even though yes the japanese , and germany are like, the bad people in world war two but it is because the way we are being taught


that they are the bad people who invaded it the who invaded, the rights and then why do we think that US are the one that that are correct


because of the nuclear because of the atomic bomb the two atomic bomb that has that had landed in japan more than two million people have died including civilians as well as soldiers


hence they have no choice but to surrender second point is that being scientists he should, know like the possible drawbacks if the possible drawbacks are much more significant than the benefits he or she should should nevertheless stopped doing such research


for example if let's say he is researching inventing a deadly virus that should take up, the whole social the whole country that could kill people


in the millions as scientists, they should know the discovery the best and they should be the one who say stop I don't want you to use it because, you cannot play god because my discovery is for the purpose of discovering it is not something that you should use it and abuse


it to have a leverage like I've said just now though uh in just now in the opening statement


, then shouldn't the scientists that invented the agent orange know do more research before even using it on like vietnam


I mean he could do something he could just destroy the whole thing, right , ya I see what you mean I see what you mean but eventually he still has the pattern over it and I know that the government


has like the most power and he might not have a say in it but , it is still his responsibility that he shouldn't let this kind of thing happen because it has the adverse effects


on the people the victim of the people that that was affected by the agent orange, sorry


but then you still feel that uh she should do something about it because, uh even though that yes you don't have the, power over it but it is still invention you still can like just destroy the whole thing


ya , that's how I feel ah ya


ya


evil uh


do you have anything to say to add on, wait ah


okay there are laws that are related to how their inventions or discoveries are to be used example is the discovery of the embryonic stem system uh the stem cell there are strict regulations that scientists have to adhere to


with regards to types and the way of research involving is the, embryonic stem system and then how it is used for scientific research, ya and


patterns like I said before patents on bacterias are used, to create genetically modified food, even though it is approved for human or animal consumption for example is the Cry9C protein are being


uh approved for animal consumption they're not for human consumption there were instances whereby food allergy is being caused by human consumption of this protein and therefore people arguing that, patterns should only be given to such substances if it is also approved for human


consumption as well in case of accidental contamination like this case and it is true like imagine that if you are eating uh an animal that has this kind of


protein inside being in, injected into the animal to help grow faster , and, it is not for human consumption do you think that people would still eat it if uh he knows that this kind of thing this kind of protein has been inject injected to the animal


why


ya it it it can actually cause death ya, so do you think it is the persons fault and not the scientists fault I to be honest I feel that it is the scientist's fault because


he should have let it like it should have done more research, and then that human, to be approved for human consumption as well before even releasing it for at only animal consumption which eventually we are going to consume the animal


can lead to alright


ya but true, , let's go let's go back to the agent orange in the agent orange is an example of


like enhancing the soybean to let it grow faster but then do you think that if it is harmful to human beings then do you think that, by consuming it it will cause damage to the human body itself and do you think that's because of it the agent sorry scientists developed it know about it as well


because at at at son at some certain point I I feel that he know what kind of side effects that will happen to human being but he's still do it anyways and then from a point that I shared just now he should be


concerned because he has a moral obligation that invention, should not at uh be uh adversely affect anyone, but instead help, human being because that is how it is supposed to be


ya I think okay, so in conclusion I feel that scientists he himself should know all kind of possible drawbacks that his invention could lead to


example is the agent orange that you shared and the formula the E equals to MC square the nuclear, formula that's created a leverage towards the united states though


world power super power, kind of thing and it should be, kept from, the users if the user is misusing it


okay


okay part one debate topic one, medical science has been so successful with the people now expect too much of it, I agree with that and firstly will be antibiotics an example will be antibiotics the widespread use of antibiotics is estimated to have extended has reached life expectancy by two decades they generally used to stop bacteria from people to producing or destroy them


however nowadays people are using these antibiotics to treat common illnesses that don't benefit from these and biotic treatments as you know some doctors would prescribe them to patients almost every time, some examples of those illnesses that you just said includes flu colds and stomach flus


and this will cause unnecessary and harmful side effects and most importantly promotes antibiotic resistance harmful side effects may uh some may make your condition was for example like flu colds for that will make your cough worse or sore throat or even lead to even more serious diseases like pneumonia and more


approximately two million infections from antibiotic resistant bacteria occur in the united states each year resulting in twenty three thousand deaths which is about zero point one percent of, uh the infections and this may expect to rise in the future if this is not


if you kept constant as bacteria is I mean is organism and will continue to evolve to be more resistance even to the strongest antibiotic and may create in an another pandemic as well in the far future


secondly is I'll be talking about plastic surgery which which was used on social media nowadays people are seeing pictures of influencers and they are encouraged to be like them in order to be a perfect picture post on social media in order to do so, some are utilising these procedures as necessary as you want to have this exact same features as those influencers that you look up to however even though these influencers have done some plastic surgery


they are actually editing pictures themselves through different filters on different platforms of social media which makes them looks good in pictures and this leads to an unrealistic beauty expectation, cosmetics surgery will not change your life although you wanna make contribute a greater sense of confidence or you've solved all your personal problems plastic surgery


it provides you will not cannot provide a perfect application of what you want to have for example a white sea in an influencer in the end this has displays traditional wellness and value settled upon natural beauty and positive self image


okay to state my second point, I agree also agree to see another point point medical science advanced rapidly and it is our positive expectation to of it to an unsustainable point


advances in medical science have provided cures to many diseases and good health and is now taken granted by many individuals who mistakenly believe that undergoing medication or medical procedures replace healthy living, for example, like uh strokes and common terminal diseases these can be easily prevented through or easily like reduce total getting it getting reduced can be


gone through by exercise and healthy eating and reduction of eating so much oily or fast food, I think is it acceptable and right for the public to rely on medical science to treat and prevent major illnesses


by going for medications and regular checkups however there certain illnesses that can be prevented on our own like diabetes and cough which can be prevented as I said by consuming less sugary food and managing our lifestyles with that said people expect way too much


for medical science as their increasingly dependent on it and rely on it to cure and prevent illnesses, we are putting in the effort to amend their lifestyles one example would be how, all of the gains in terms of technology reducing heart disease deaths are taken for granted


as, individuals don't address some of the unlike underlying causes like as a poor diet and a sanitary lifestyle just rely on taking the drugs and medicine to prevent heart diseases although exercise one of the top prevention strategies for heart disease an estimated sixty percent of american adults are sedentary


and about one of five is obese as such people failed to realize that we are addressing the root causes of health problems the effects of all the vaccination and drugs would be limited, hence I would say people are expecting too much of medical science due to over reliance on it


and also although okay for example some people may have disabilities like physical disabilities or mental disabilities which don't allow them to do exercises and stuff, but but in general people are


too, have too much expectations on medical science to solve their problems so I end it here


uh, to me their point okay I agree that some some disabilities cannot be completely cure on medical science but thing is in your case of stephen hawking stephen hawking


had something like muscle disability which couldn't which his muscles deteriorate over time or sense of movement degree overtime which meant that he couldn't do any, thing and you need to for example you need to be fed, to like you know consumed food as and order drinks and stuff lah


so, to give a better example I'll say, some people that, have prosthetics and possibilities in marathons are also


a singaporean uh I mean to say that but for, this is i would say a very terminal illnesses or very major illnesses but for example of diabetes and cough i would say people expect too much for example like taking uh diabetes can prevented through


uh how do I say exercising and taking a lower sugar diet or something like that, okay unless you have a disability that evolves your body take unable to take glucose or taking too much glucose something like that


then I understand a as well ya


I mean people if it's very serious I'll assume people wouldn't but it's although the side effects are may be serious but it's a lot better than having, the side effects due to having very major diseases itself thats what i think lah so ya


for example if you for example I think AIDS because AIDS reduce immune system a lot, but if you uh how do I say talking about immune system it's how do I say uh can you repeat your point again


well


so to reinstate your point is just the person how do I say takes the medication which very strong medication or very heavy heavy side effect medication and resulting in a breakdown immune system more of I would say, they would combat the virus or the bacteria that is causing the main the main illness but in doing so it has destroyed


the cells or the organisms required for the body to function


I mean as a child my parents would I say oh uh eat antibiotics whenever there's small flu and colds and stuff I think this is called something like uh misconception that antibiotics can solve almost every infection or very


minor illnesses that we can have and I think this due to either common knowledge that it's misinterpreted or something like that ya


uh I mean the government as I mean previously said I mean previously said as government like not recently like uh maybe last year or the start of the year and started calling people to go to take flu shots and stuff and even, I'm currently NS and even like asked whether have done vaccinations so I think that


it's, is not is people don't over rely on vaccines but if the vaccines, cause too much uh harm and side effects and stuff I don't think it should be should be like you know given to the people in the first place unless it's really unnecessary so in order to cure a pandemic or etcetera and talking about a hong kong one


true there's social distancing but there's always something herd immunity which is obtained through, constant although how do i say constant uh combating of the virus in someone's in a person's body but however this as a very low percentage of happening and ya as I say lah


uh to to top of your point to help to prevent illnesses of your vaccinations or your whatever err uh your


flu shots or whatever is it I mean this is this is as due to the media would just says oh for example yes, uh what caught smallpox or something due to not taking like vaccines and stuff, and he didn't even show the side effects of whatever it if you want to know side effects of certain vaccines or something which is rare although it happens in some people


cause they're allergic to certain, uh more bacteria certain elements in the vaccines but then ya as i said this is due to media lah, they just show side effects afterwards because they assume everything is normal and stuff but for example people need to really really sometimes you need to research if they know there are certain allergy to some uh elements


err maybe because I've read in the news that recently there are like stem cells or create, uh like certain organs from, from uh cells they are taken from someone else or from animal I think this is this can be obtained in the future but I think


only like people who are willing to pay a lot of money are able to get it and ya get in the future, for risk or surgery I would say I said risk of surgery


so I just press the stop button right


part two debate topic two, does the modern world place too much reliance on technology and I agree with that, cause of my first point with a development of technology, uh in the recent years technology has taken over government it important processes of and sensitive data is stored on servers which are easily prone to hacking and these has been adopted by governments worldwide


and, the and even big smaller countries third world countries are even trying to adopt the lifestyle that even singapore has right now however no matter how much the governments or people or companies try to make it not hackable there always be a way for


this technology to be hackable, example will be twenty uh I think two thousand eighteen or twenty seventeen there was uh so called data stolen from singhealth and personal data of singaporeans are compromised their NRIC addresses if maybe even your bank accounts are compromised


and this has led to some people doubting the uh how do I say cybersecurity of the singapore of singapore's government and, this, imagine this in a bigger scale where some electric power plants by dams or just coal power plants are automated through technology


and if terrorists would want to cause destruction in the country there's no need for physical violence like in the past where their bombings and shootings or whatever they can just tip or hire some uh hackers that just work for money


and they can just heck the, how do I say the power plant to fail and this has a bigger impact than physical violence as this not only strike fear in the people they also destroyed a lot of things like the economic the social and all things of the people


and ya, second thing is, uh teenagers are nowadays or even people nowadays can't leave their phone alone and they always need to check their phone once in a while in order to like see social media or play some games or whatever


and check and they can check you out two hundred and fifty times per day people received or avoid twenty two phone calls every day and send or receive messages twenty three times per day


to the response to get on their posts, maybe they can get a negative one where they say their pictures ugly or whatever then, then they, then rather than looking at focusing on school or whatever, or like their studies the only thing


they can care about is, uh how do I say that whether their social media accounts are perfect or updated in every how do I say a few hours or so, this means that they are discarding their schoolwork and only care about those things where a lot of things where can be which means that a lot teenagers are anti social they only way they interact with people is through their phones and although is sometimes they will talk someone to face to face will be it was reduced due to social media


a lot of time the people they considered friends are online and they have never met them before face to face, they also don't like even go places cause they think their phones are more satisfying than having to go outside and do something with their lives other than holding their cellphones


and I end my point here


okay uh to state my second point, err, at the same time where there's too much reliance place of technology in this model world the awareness, on the harms that technology can bring to society is prominent as resulted in people to veer to a more subdued lifestyle instead of engaging actively this technology saturated society


reporters given to issues related to health and spiritual lifestyle are on the rise yoga workshops and seminars and improve on proving the minds when body spiritually mentally, reports have shown that technology related stress is an issue prevalent in developed societies and this has made people aware that technologies are in all ways it can be counterproductive if heavily rely on


and people go overseas to, how do I say go overseas to escape from for example like, escape from this, uh technology, uh how do I say technology


heavy lifestyle and go to somewhere like, uh maybe a third world country or even uh, new area to like leave a once in a while to cool down do their own things without any technology, and this I agree with, and with technology related stress


with the prevalence of COVID nineteen nowadays I think technology related stress has been more prevalent due to people working from home and having to use their laptops and phones to like communicate and do their work


uh people that can do their judgement and stuff but for the uh for jobs that, require, that doesn't like doesn't heavily rely on, how do I say uh computers or software and stuff uh I think architects in general don't really learn how to draw


like how to do models with just pencil and their equipment and, and it's not taught in schools nowadays cause, you know there's so many computers or whatever but what happens if these all like, it is all just you just shut down or just not work


suddenly, would I think society will just collapse, like very fast due to, the lack of technology and electricity and


I agree that they can adapt but in this society where everything's interconnected even government systems or even like as I said power outlet are powerless power stations and stuff are interconnected through technology if it all fails that people can't even


as they do their own do uh do their own uh like lead their normal daily lives even economy cannot survive if this power station just fail and may could never recover because, people while in general need technology to fix some stuff and if it all fails


ya I think society would how do I say just fail in general, ya


but with workplaces ever so relying on technology or even developing even more sophisticated technology to help


uh drive the company forward I think this stress would be, uh increased by a lot and will indefinitely lead to a too much reliance on technology in general if this happens in like companies and even governments would do that as well and people would also go with the flow and


uh get those gadgets that can be seen on developed by mobile phone companies or, uh some other companies like car companies or ya


so for me to end it off, with this


do their just for the sake of convenience or for the sake of uh simplicity and should, once in a while try something uh else to not to have not much technological stress related stress which would be a more prevalent issue in the future and I end


part three debate topic tree, how discoveries and inventions, and are used is not the concern of the scientists do you agree and I agree with that because scientists should not be held responsible for the usage of as for their discoveries and societies


scientists merely invent they are not the ones who actually use these discoveries to harm society, science discoveries are neutral in nature, all can be good or bad depending on the way they are used, an example of a scientist will be an thomas


midgley junior also renowned chemist and inventor who held over hundred patents, this lifetime bases contributed to the the development of society however his legacy is now tarnished as the full effects of his inventions most notably needed gasoline and a greenhouse gas free on the first CFC


has been understood, as JR mcneil an environmental historian described had more impact on the atmosphere than any other organism in earth's history this would seem to imply that he alone


was assumed responsible for the harmful effects on the adventures he had on society, but if you will all to look beneath the surface we would find that it's not the case reality at all, hence it's those who used these discoveries wrongly


where the government company or individual should be responsible for a damaged or effect the discoveries had on society my second point would be while the original purpose of discovery cannot be completely changed scientific discoveries often lead to unintended effects that diverge from the original purposes in this case scientists should not held responsible


for the usage or effects of their discoveries as did not intend for this harmful side effects or by effects of their inventions, example will be agent orange it is invented with good intention by arthur galston to split the growth of soybeans and allow them to be grown areas with a short season however it is used by the US military to act as a defoliant in the vietnam war to protect and save the lives of the US


and allied soldiers, hoever it had turned out to be a severe negative impacts, on the environment and health in vietnam, as costs an estimated four hundred thousand deaths and disabilities with another five hundred thousand birth effects and a is continued now in the even nowadays and this also about seventeen point eight percent of the total forested area of vietnam was spread which disrupted the ecological equilibrium


as shown in these cases the scientists do intend for their facts of their discovery we have to understand that scientists are also human and they also make mistakes as we should not hold them responsible for impacts that even that did not expect


okay for my second point is, in general scientists are don't want to invent but sometime they are so called forced or or pressured by the government to do something that he should not do


err do something that, they should have did more such in for example as i said agent orange is done in good intention to speed the growth of soybeans allow them to grown areas with short season however he did not expect it to be used as a


defoliant and even as a side effect of effect of affecting, uh the people, and the, uh health of people environment and health people in vietnam and this also


and he also could not predict whether there's a war happening, so he could not have foreseen that they're uh how do I say that he, caused the thing that this will be used as a edited the fallen which can


which in turn costs so much, uh harm to the vietnamese and vietnam environment


it's not the one that uses use used it but he's I think he invented it before the war so he cannot predict that as a war happening and he was maybe forced by the US government


as it was readily available as he liked you know invented agent orange he use you cannot like say oh it can't stop the US military from using agent orange in the first place because I mean the military wants to just achieve their purpose as fast as possible


so as a scientist you couldn't have much power to even do anything, no you he really invented it then like I think one or two or like maybe years later


it is readily available


I assume the I assume the much you can do is just maybe warn the press about it or something like that that's the only most you can do because as a scientist alone you can't fight against a government which has more, or not the government by the US government which is the biggest


superpower also because strongest country is seeing a cold war so


, , uh I agree it has done more research but the thing is if you are getting forced to do so I don't think you can do much and it's ready readily available


maybe he has maybe one he he how do I say yet uh this uh created patent for it maybe he had he had done more research about it in the forecast his intention was, to make soybeans grow better or grow faster, or grow with a short season ah so I think


ya maybe, he also wouldn't think that, this, chemical will be suddenly used on people, as a result maybe it's the maybe it's other scientists who had like how do I say have found this way cause his purpose for just to or just go soy soybeans faster but other scientists will just like


how about use this on people which is just, if I could say that ya, I mean ya just that lor


ya, I mean some people are just, in general some humans are just stubborn and just for example oh if I really have a craving for a certain thing


they will just go straight for they will just go straight to eat it look even though there may be a small chance to get allergy just and maybe allergy is just, not as detrimental as, for example some people's allergies are really serious you can it cause death ya ya but if they but if they if they just are stubborn then ya


it will just go through ya


I agreed to a certain extent but however, maybe the scientists would not be able to think as creatively as before as, they'll be afraid of how their inventions will be used inventions and discoveries are result of scientists trying to, challenge your own mental capacities putting them in charge of how their inventions are used by hinder their creative development


for fear of misuse which means that, if for example if you they wanna make a breakthrough of doing something but if they're doing research or something else might hinder their development of what they're achieving in the first place, unless I think that they have the resources to do so I would think that their main goal was is just to focus on


uh develop what they want and do whatever they what, see maybe see what, what misuse that it can be uh can be uh what misuse that their invention can


uh most fertilisers are poisonous I mean most fertilizers can be created something like, I think I assume agent I as long as you remember agent orange is something like a powder that is like, spread over, and I can do that I think people can do that with fertilisers cause they are just poisonous in general some of them are very poisonous or then can cost very detrimental harm to human body


so I think it's not their it's not scientists', it's not scientists' concern as much, as they've, no power of what they can do, because governments


I mean in the past uh agent orange the past the united states wanted to remove remove the influence of communism from vietnam so they are so called desperate to, do what ever they can to so called win over


win over vietnam so, ya, I think it's just unlucky lah it was unlucky


and to end my point, uh discoveries and inventions, I would say accor~not concerned to the scientists to acertain extent as, in the past, there is no such thing as by organisations that can


err check whether their, uh invention is harmful to society or not so, nowadays, although there are some uh sort of organization that check whether their inventions of the chemical is harmful or not


I would say it is up to them and not to the scientists, to do, to see whether their so called chemical or whatever is detrimental to society


okay I would oppose today's uh topic on the to what extent can education improves the lives of people I'll oppose this because , we all know that education in singapore okay let's say if you pursue a degree


it's very expensive in general I think it's depending on the course it will range about thirty to forty K, I disagree with this uh with this topic which uh whereby it improves a lot of people because


ppb) uh about student loan okay because like I mentioned earlier on, in order to pursue a degree it'll cost very hefty right so for some foremost they won't have that kind of money so they have to loan right, so let's say maybe I put the stigma of at about thirty K


after maybe pursue your studies like, a three years course in uh then afterwards you'll start to work right okay for that thirty thousand that we loan from the bank we have to pay back right every month so if you do the math if let's say you so if you


uh every month you put aside five hundred dollars based on your payout only from your payout to pay your study loan, it will range about okay for every for thirty thousand ya for five hundred every month so you if you do the math it will take about


five years just to clear the study loan and then , and then on top of that if we loan from a bank there will be interest rate right and their interest rate will differ from like , two point five percent above and then so if you think about it on it on average you will have to pay back about thirty five thousand


so if you accumulate it that would be about five to six years of your of five to six years you have to , you have to like every month for for the next five to six years you have to keep paying out to just clear your loan so I will oppose to this cause as much as