is uh not well accepted people might be getting the confused idea on uh eh what is he talking about you know like uh, is he telling me that I should look out at these points or why is he always trying to sell me it gets the misinterpretation of stuff why because it's not the common thing that is being uh


thought of being are recognised into to the masses and therefore it might not be as effective uh to the masses and the communications and the message is being brought across might be misrepresented, but if today we uh people understand eh a descriptive message is supposed to describe eh a movie to me they know that I can go and read this kind of message to get this kind of information uh but instead if uh


the but instead if uh, the, they use a journalist kind of uh methods they might be getting the wrong information they might only get the whole point but they said no I want more details and uh they might not be getting the details that they want and therefore uh


what I'm trying to say is that using I mean uh that different types of writing uh is superior because there is more use to the type of writing as compared to other types of writing and that is how I base because uh people uh


are more acceptive not to say more acceptive they are, are more uh they see more commonly being used and that's why they're more acceptive ah to the kind of type of writing that uh they are receiving lah yup so uh that's my


part two debate topic two


alright so for debate topic two its assess the impact of foreign films or foreign TV programmes on the culture of your society so uh as for the proposition, today we agree that actually there's the impact of foreign films films on foreign TV programs on the culture of our society today and why do we say that is uh I think the society that we are talking about is uh in our general country today and uh how it affects uh


the foreign films living in uh singapore today actually we we are multiracial company I mean our country and also we have a lot of foreigners that are uh coming to our country because why uh we focus a lot on tourism and that's where we as a country make our economy from lah


statistics have shown that and therefore we have a lot of foreign influence into our country also so it's widely accepted uh, that, uh you know we are okay with uh we are used to the norm in our society is already uh we are welcoming foreign uh


I mean uh TV programs films we are okay seeing other foreign uh uh, uh, you know programs and TV and shows and all these kind of things why because firstly the the the common language than we speak in singapore today is english and the white


uh, language that is adopted in the world is actually english also as uh statistics as proven also ya so what we can do is actually why do I say that I agree with this is because the way that we are, uh foreign films are introduced into our country and the way we react to it uh it definitely shows that we have been influence for example uh talk talking about maybe about forty years ago when uh


a foreign films and tv programmes were not as accessible as today uh a lot of people were not uh, influenced or they were not aware of what uh the foreigners or the foreign countries were actually how uh their culture was and uh therefore there was not much of a influence or I would say there wasn't a


the the amount the the speed taken to be influence was not as high as of today and uh what I'm saying today is why do I agree with this statement is for example we can take that, uh in foreign films I think one common thing that we can agree on is that uh if you take uh


uh in uh foreign countries is that youths once they reach or once they finish their college most thing uh most common thing that you will see is they moving out of their house am I right to say that , and uh if it's if you compare that into our society today forty years ago


uh you wouldn't see this kind of things happening where after college is everybody I mean uh you can see about twenty over people living in one home as compared to today it has became maybe five to six people maximum staying in one home , and also the age of uh the children moving out from their house has decrease compared uh over the years and this has clearly shown us that you know foreign films have


uh actually influence us uh to to uh take this step or take these uh changes in our uh, in our society today and that's where we can see uh people getting uh married uh later on that's another example that I'd like to touch on if you see in a foreign countries for example again US if you take uh


uh, as an example you can see that because of the uh way they're working and uh the way uh the standard of living for example leaving their house there's a lot more responsibilities that they have to take on their own and marriage does not come uh as importance as uh


to them to as to us in our society now so in singapore last time, uh in society marriage was right after college but uh in US was me leaving my house right after college so but being influenced by maybe films and tv programmes we can see now that


the the the children or the adults the young adults that have graduated from their university or uh from their, uh from their polytechnics the thing is they don't look forward to marriage and why is that so because of this uh, uh the the the influence and the impact of foreign films and foreign TV programs that have showcase that you know


that is the way that you uh you can leave this kind of life if you follow our kind of culture and this is what uh being is uh how it's impacting our society uh with the foreign films and uh TV programmes


thanks uh opposition ah okay so I think uh the I think as for the proposition to start off I think maybe I can just uh give you the definition of impact


and also the culture of our society so the impact that I'm talking today is uh the influence that they have on our uh current society and the culture of our society that I'm talking today is the way people uh uh, that basically the culture and the the the culture what I'm trying to say is the way they're living their life and today is what that's what I'm arguing about


uh debating about in uh today's uh, uh topic today ya so I believe uh you touched on uh, they moving out, , is because of their career mindedness right then one question I can uh, ah ask you is uh today this career mindedness how did it happen today is it because of uh uh just naturally just maybe they step out of their house fine uh finally they see or what influence them maybe you can give me some statistics or some facts that


you can show because today my point I'm trying to say is foreign film and foreign uh TV program played a great role in uh influencing them to be career minded and why do I say that because, in uh in our society if you see uh previously we are very uh close minded we weren't exposed to what ah


uh the outside the foreign world was doing and I would say that you know if we are, uh, in a society where is we are doing the same thing our mind would not change and the only way that we can change is because we are influenced by something external and if you ask if we follow the things that we're doing in our own country will be the same maybe forty or fifty years ago the reason why changes happen is because we have seen


uh the the way foreign uh, uh in the way the foreign culture has been and some are and uh maybe one or two people in our society managed to or uh be influence they have maybe step, uh, uh make a change in their society and therefore leading to the current society now and uh talking about career mindedness uh why it might have changed is because some uh our population is very small but in a foreign culture and uh I mean the the the the other


countries compared to us is very uh huge so for them they have a more the diverse culture as compared to us and there is a lot more things that we can learn and pick up from there and uh that's why I'm trying to say that I'm I'm in that's why I'm saying that


foreign films and foreign TV program has definitely uh played a part and another thing that I can uh, uh another example that I can show you if you compare our society maybe forty years ago were there more foreign films and TV programmes compared to now in our society if there is more do you see more uh


uh more culture uh more of our culture in singapore or more of our culture of uh the the the, in uh, foreign TV programmes or films do you see changes happening more to our roots or more to the to the advance in the foreign and change in our culture of society yup that's uh my my points


okay so the, uh, I'll get back to you on that, uh you can just uh carry on and in my next uh


ya my next debate I'll give you ya, I would uh I think twenty five and above I would, deny that is uh because uh from my research and from the stats that we have is actually thirty the average age of getting married is thirty years and I mean uh thirty point five years and above


and and the in singapore to own uh uh (Uh) maybe a HDB the common flats in singapore is thirty five years and above so if you will take to uh take that in consideration uh and you only can buy a flat after you're married then it's thirty point five years and above yup


okay can so I believe that uh you said that uh there's a impact on a foreign films, am I, right yes okay so one point uh I think that uh you brought up was that uh foreign films and TV programmes uh


ah, not uh, does not influence us and that we have the uh ability to uh, decide on what is right and what is not right am I right


yes correct so the reason for this to happen it, uh what I'm trying to say that it has been uh proven through foreign films and foreign uh TV programs that actually you know uh marriage is not a priority as compared to uh previous times and a lot of people might uh listen or may be influenced by the


the previous society or the previous culture you know but uh because foreign films and TV programmes bring in high uh high influence on uh each individual and therefore people are straying towards , uh TV programs and uh foreign films and uh that is my my my point and another thing that you brought up is uh I think the public


uh affection what uh yes public display of affection if today you were to ask, uh if you see our society previously compared to now is it much more accepted, and the reason why is much more accepted because the amount of foreign films and TV programmes that's accessible in our society now is greater am I right


okay so you disagree that foreign films and TV programmes are, less accessible now compared to forty years ago


ya I'm not saying they are the reason but they play a great influence on them like they are a huge influence as compared to maybe other factors do you agree with that


okay the okay the other, factors could be maybe their parents telling it about it their own society as compared to the foreign society, ya that is my my factor, because if say today you disagree with me and you said that the current society is more influential compared to foreign films and foreign TV programs then uh these changes wouldn't have happened and our society will have stick more to how we were forty years ago and the amount of uh


part three debate topic three


okay uh thank you uh proposition uh for the for the opposition I believe that uh what you said that uh one of your main points that you are trying to uh bring across its actually that uh more people are


having the pleasure of reading, uh, as compared to uh pleasure of visual entertainment is that right oh no, ya so what you are trying to say that you know the pleasure of visual entertainment is much more as compared to pleasure of reading and uh the the the


the facts and the points that you brought across were based on uh more there were a drop in a straits time subscription as compared uh to previous years am I right, okay so I believe uh I think that is uh doesn't state the fact that people are more of a visual and uh


are more visual because uh reading the news on the paper and reading the news on the air, it is still a form of reading as in they are still reading ya so it doesn't show the point it there are visuals because today if you check out straits time app it doesn't show you a video of uh


maybe the the the, the interview happening or maybe there is but, uh what there is uh, it is the same article with the same picture that appears on the uh newspaper that you received on the app and there is additional uh


uh, uh additional videos and maybe interview recording on the ah app, but that is not their main priority uh for the app and the reason why people are most are subscribing more on the app is because today it's like what you have said it's convenience it's not because it gives them the pleasure of uh visual entertainment and uh therefore I


I don't agree with your point today and uh so for my point today why I said the pleasure of reading can never compete with the pleasure of visual entertainment because for one simple reason is because, there are still books being published on a daily basis hard copy books and they are still uh


reading I mean uh writing uh causes or there are still are writing uh the the importance of writing is still there in uh today's society and uhwhy is this so is because when you read as compared to a visual entertainment it gives you two different ah ah


kind of uh for for different people it gives them, different kinds of uh pleasure for example for reading it creates this imaginative uh uh, idea for a particular person and that's why people have the pleasure of reading as compared to pleasure of visual entertainment where it's place for you uh it's it's already created there's no imagination but why does it give the


uh, why does it give a separate uh pleasure of reading that cannot compete with, visual entertainment today is because our imaginations as you know it's can't be compared with a picture because one person can see a picture and has many ideas of something as compared to a visual entertainment that tells you that ah this is it


this is how the characters smiles these how the character is uh reacts to this statement and all these kind of things but, for reading you decide and this is a pleasure that uh readers are looking forward to and it can never compete with visual entertainment because visual entertainment is never crafted for one individual specifically and uh that's my point


ah my my phone shut off ah, yup so I'm in the three button place so we just, ah yup


yes correct, ya correct yup it's here now


okay so I take this also ah


sorry ah to stop you there, , ya okay so I believe that uh what you say today that I think one


oh oh ya


yes okay so I think uh one uh thing that uh I think one point that you brought across uh was uh I think firstly I mean


the last point that you brought across was actually uh less people borrowing books and uh more people are getting E books as compared to the subscription of uh uh TV series am I right


okay okay I believe that is not a it doesn't justify the that it can compete that reading can compete with uh the pleasure of visual entertainment why because it just shows me that uh it just proves a point that it's convenience and uh that people are moving towards uh so it doesn't uh actually justifies why uh


it it the pleasure of reading uh I mean uh the pleasure of visual uh entertainment can compete with reading another point that I'd like to bring across I think you mentioned that uh visual entertainment on a social medias or news, there are always ah showcasing right ya so for for this uh purpose right the the thing that I'd like to ask you is do you see words on this visual contents do you see words on this uh videos or maybe these posters that you come across


and if you see right there's a purpose why there's a need to put these words as compared to a just a picture alone because like what you said if a picture alone speaks a thousand words why do I still need to put that a few words on that poster it because of one thing because the pleasure of reading those words were intrinsic


I mean our will intrigue the mind to get that particular objective that the, uh creator wants to uh, send across and it's not send through the picture because like what what uh (Uh) like you said it can be a thousand words but there the message might be different it might be a different thousand words for everybody but the the the purpose of reading it can come out the way that uh


ah, term that the creator wants you to know, and that's my uh point on uh for both points lah, yup


yes uh thanks, uh, proposition ya I think uh based on that point yes uh from what you have said, it it creates the excitement of uh visual entertainment doing much more better at


uh giving more pleasure in terms of uh reading and I would like to ask you this question is it because of the accessibility that these kids, uh uh, is is based on means they are taught they are more accessible to visual entertainment and it's more convenient to them and that's why they want it


or is it because when they do that uh they get uh uh they enjoy it more, because today if you ask me in uh for for the steps on getting a book today is much more difficult, as compared to uh getting a visual content because there is YouTube there's Netflix but is there a site for uh books where you can just hop onto because when you go to Amazon you'll have to purchase a book and if you go to NLB you have to log into a account to be access to those books so I think it it might not be the


I think we are comparing uh which one are they as, uh there are there are, I mean uh accessible to and which is more convenient to them and uh, that is my point on why uh visual entertainment might be working for them now because they haven't experience or had the pleasure of reading a book ya


alright ya so the reason why I brought up convenience are


that people are preferring to the I I think uh for the proposition do you agree that uh convenience, play, a huge part on uh on uh making a decision yes and in that case right then uh, your NLB uh as compared to uh uh netflix and uh


Netflix and the the the streaming site uh for visual entertainment right do you agree that


so uh uh as an opposition I would like to actually just start off by saying thank you for your definition of your topic off the topic uh but like to say that before even starting and telling you about my points that you have already answered the question yourself, that you're trying to say actually all your points that you stated actually stated one very simple point that actually all types of writing are not superior to each other it's actually all of them have a very equal weightage


so what am I saying is very simple because it is very it's too simplistic for us to base a writing significance or superiority relative to the others based on the set criteria because uh all of them are unique in their own functions, so I'll give you an example a certain types of writings are more understandable and more applicable in today where information is key whereas the creative and imaginative aspect of writing are not appreciated as much


but that doesn't mean that uh one form of writing is superior to the other form of writing so I give you an example in news uh when you watch news the primary objective of journalistic form of writing uh would be to provide a clear and direct source of information that can be easily digested


uh perfect for those people who like to scan through information and read for the sake of obtaining uh knowledge about current events, uh this form of writing is very applicable today where large amount of information and data are concise into mere pages


taking into consideration the limited time reading time that we have so I'd like to also say and uh reaffirms the point that uh form there's no superior forms of writing all forms of writing uh playing their own uh different function


uh ya the journalistic form is preferred


ya every writing has its own unique form and unique in their own function


uh thank you proposition I'd like to highlight that our point or proposition, his own definition of the topic uh preposition mentioned that uh he defined superior saying that it is higher quality in comparison to something else, so my question is you are emphasising the point that I'm trying to makes saying that all


forms of writing have their own uh unique uh forms in their own weightage and importance and there's no one that superior to the other, to say that something is superior as compared to the other means you trying to say that one is more important, has more uh acknowledgement has more use as compared to the rest of the uh forms of writing but over here what I'm trying to say is all forms of writing have the same uh unique form their own same unique feature and definitely their own aspects of writing so I would like to ask proposition this is the question I have for you


what criterias are you basing on to gauge if a type of writing is superior to the other form of writing so why is descriptive superior to expository why is narrative, more uh uh more uh, superior to persuasive I think maybe you can give me on the uh definition of the criterias on how you actually gauge this system


so what I'm trying to prove the one point is very simple that what you also saying different aspects of our life requires different form of writing so to say that there are certain types of writing superior to other is completely uh not acceptable and to prove my point that all of uh these forms of writing have equal standing and definitely they're based on the context requirement


so if let's say like what you said you will get a news require journalistic form of writing definitely it is a journalistic form of writing required if certain uh like example if you talk about marketing that needs to be a persuasive form of writing to actually have a call to action, so one is definitely important uh is cannot be important to the other both of it has its own function they both play equal importance


a journalism form of writing


okay so uh just to also clarified again so just to answer my question you were mentioning about the criterias that you based on to actually uh defined, superiority of a form of writing so example you said that uh it you'll be based it uh based it on number one uh acceptable the the form of writing was acceptable by the masses second one it must be understandable by the masses as well


correct these are the two criterias or is there any other criterias, okay bit oh okay so basically it back to the same point lah that's mean how how comprehensive is that form of writing correct


so it's just based (uh huh), oh okay definitely okay just to answer your point right to be honest right uh the primary uh one uh one simple example is


actually to be honest right the effectiveness of writing form is actually dependent on the skills of the the writer rather than the type of writing so to answer your question right you feel talking about how easy it is to learn uh how comprehensive is this for people to understand is actually got to do with the writer it's never got to do with the type of writing


because uh regardless of type of writing the effectiveness of achieving the intended effect will be downplayed so long, as the author lacks the capacity to express his thoughts in written form due to his inadequate mastery of the language so it's simply put it's got to do with the writer on using which form of uh writing to actually explain his point if a writer is doing something that's got to do with marketing I believe that it's uh he will actually put uh use a more persuasive


uh language to actually have a call to action, whereas if the writer is looking more for uh you know a story definitely he will use a descriptive form of writing to actually explain a story because it's two different cut uh target audience and two different purpose, of the type of writing so in that point you cannot say that one is more important than the other because to be honest people who uh who are reading the masses who are reading a story they will like it descriptive


can you imagine the masses reading a story book but it's in the journalist form or it's actually in a a persuasive form you know when you read a storybook you know you want something that's a descriptive, to explain what happens in a scenario instead of saying you know you need to read me you need to read my form of writing you need to read this book people don't want to have that kind of writing uh if they are not looking for the kind of book


and uh so uh to be honest to answer your question again the writing form is the uh not the main problem but it's actually the way the writer writes it and to say that one form of writing is superior to the other it's uh shouldn't be the point


that's my point yup yes correct


okay just to uh just to also now uh after you brought up the point proposition uh you come back to the point of purpose of writing so are you trying to say number one it needs to be comprehensive it needs to be simple for masses to accept, and most importantly now you're trying to say the superior why one form of writing is superior to other right is because of the frequency of being used


so uh for a certain certain form of writing is being used more therefore it's more superior but I'd like to actually uh debate on this point because, number one it's not uh it's not fair to say that one is superior to the other because you use it very often you know and doesn't mean that one is superior to the other you know I think there's a lot of scenarios that we could see you know certainly example when you're typing a message to a friend we don't type a descriptive message


we actually just uh speak a very simple narrative uh message but doesn't mean that we will not be able to use descriptive a descriptive uh form of writing uh when messaging a friend in the future you know the frequency it's just very low but we definitely will use it but doesn't mean that it it one is


less, trick uh work less uh superior to the other, and so the definition of yours doesn't uh validate uh your definition of how these are gauge doesn't validate the point that one is superior to the other where all of them have equal weightage


part two debate topic


okay thank you uh proposition okay before I begin I believe that I need you to do a few things number one is I need you to help me provide the definition for number one the impact of foreign films and also the culture of our society


so I need you to help me define uh for your next argument and what is the impact of the foreign thing, uh because uh just to also ask you back okay moving out of house uh is also uh not common forty years ago, like like what you were saying it was not common forty years ago whereas it's more common now due to the uh influence of foreign films and TV programs so just to ask you please help me define for me the age range in which currently people leave their home to stay by themselves


two you were saying more forty years ago uh more people people didn't leave their house but currently what is the age range that you are mentioning about who actually leave their house to stay by themselves okay and next thing second thing you're talking about the most, uh recent months you were talking about due to the foreign films and foreign TV programmes impact you were saying that actually uh people are getting more


people are uh are okay to actually live by themselves or even delay their marriages, [uh)] but I love to uh begged to differ that actually people are delaying their marriages currently in today's society is actually due to their career mindedness, uh because they want to actually spend the extra time to actually focus on their career and I don't think or I don't believe that it's got to do the impact of foreign films or foreign TV programmes


okay but on my argument I'd like to say that actually uh one point I want to bring across is as much as there have been some form of social influence uh locals still have their own beliefs and would like to stick to that uh for example freedom of speech uh is very prevalent american films and programmes


where people are given the rights to express their opinions regardless of any factors, uh but locally we don't use this freedom of speech uh as anything we say might be insensitive to different groups of people who make up the fabric of our nation, so if you were to try to say that there is an influence I would like to I was I'm trying to say that there's no has not been any influence as much as you're watching all these programs for foreign films and foreign TV programmes


I think locals have known I've known how to actually access the situation and decipher what is right what is wrong and use the necessary thats according to our culture


okay can thank you opposition I get asked a proposition sorry so I'd like to actually just clarify with you on my previous asked question, uh moving out of house is also not common uh due to because, you were saying that actually more people more people in this today's generation after a certain age they prefer to leave their house and stay by themselves so could you defined probably the age range where or on the statistics on what what what


okay could I could I could I roughly say that it's around twenty five and above more people are actually stepping out of their house to live by themselves


do (uh huh) (uh huh) okay


alright okay can thank you on that point okay so now moving on to the next point you were mentioning that because due to the impact of foreign films and progress on our society that is why they are more delayed marriages am I right, yes okay but I would like to say that actually delayed marriages are not due to the impact of foreign film


because there are other reasons for it number one to define because of the financial needs of an individual, number two economic reasons of the country number three uh great expectations of finding a partner of an individual I think it's being a very troublesome problem now and also due to the increased cost of living so all these things are factors that actually causing a delay in marriages and I don't think it's got to do with the foreign films


okay next thing okay that you were saying change is due to the foreign, films uh, impact on our society but actually change is more like evolution it's got to do with adaptability it or it's people are changing the way their dealing is because they have to adapt to the current economic situation current financial uh needs and also requirements of their own personal


okay nothing got to do with uh foreign films uh uh impact on us okay next thing okay you were saying that uh you were asking me was there uh a lot of foreign, films forty years ago, okay I would like to actually say that it's uh and was it even possible uh yes there wasn't that many foreign films


or programmes forty years ago uh but currently there is many right is due to the advancement of technology okay and this has impacted, uh I think the whole world not only just singapore or other countries has impacted the whole world but my standpoint again, is to say that these programs foreign TV programmes and foreign films uh people has accepted


them, but it has not changed or isn't impacted our culture of our society greatly, for instance okay as much as people are watching uh this kind of foreign programmes and TV programs there are set of values and ideals that they follow in our society example their explicit public display of affection in foreign films and programmes


so being a conservative society in singapore locals mostly frown upon such actions and this is a clear indication of the kind of programs that are locally produced, and they're vet through even through censor boards to make sure that our children or our society people in our society actually get the right information


so it has nothing got to do with foreign films impact okay it's because of those even though there are foreign films excerpt of foreign firms and because we see such content we always take a step back and make sure that we produce a better content that's suited for our society


uh we delayed our decision of making a delayed marriages right or dealing our marriages is due to adaptability and not because of the impact of foreign firms it is because there was a need of change in our society in our economy in the country


no I disagree with that I mean uh, no they are more accessible but what I'm trying to say I disagree on the point that they are the reason why people are more acceptable about it now


(uh huh) (uh huh) okay, uh what factors


please define other factors


part three debate topic


so I shall start the topic, okay so the today's topic ya is uh for debate topic three is to say that uh nowadays the pleasures of reading can never compete with the pleasures of visual entertainment as a proposition uh before I start I'd like to make some definition so what do they mean by pleasures of reading uh pleasure reading is the happiness


of gaining knowledge uh through of gaining of knowledge of getting information via books, text, dictionaries and even note taking, uh whereas to to define pleasures of visual entertainment is to actually have the happiness


or or experience of, giving information uh through learning by seeing uh seeing charts graphs pictures and even any form of visual aids, okay and to define never in today's context and these topics context it means incomparable


okay so I'd like to agree with your point yes definitely uh the pleasure of reading cannot compete with the pleasure of visual entertainment especially in today's context uh why, in this fast paced world people prefer convenience in every aspects of their lives including obtaining information and the best way is through visual entertainment give you an example okay uh straits times


uh hard copy purchases has uh drop significantly by at least thirteen per cent in the last one year as more of them are actually, subscribing to actually the app version of strait times and through this uh visual entertainment there are even videos as part of the articles


uh where they are actually are found on the app as compared with just uh the words uh that are not moving as well and this is shows a very significant uh improvement or inclination of people choosing to get uh visual more visual entertainment rather than uh through


thank you thank you uh thank you for your points, uh your points are pretty uh are explained very well okay just to actually just further add the point uh, okay you were saying that strait times who's prepared an app right uh they actually have uh words and it's also a form of reading uh but I would like to also just highlight you to a point where you realise that strait times newspaper an app right okay there's always a picture or a video uh which captures the reader's attention before reading the text


and why do people do that is because uh scientifically uh humans are mostly kinesthetic learners uh means through, touch and, experiencing uh but the second most common group of them uh who they learn through uh through audio and visual learners as such people are preferring to gain information or entertained


through visual entertainments uh and also to actually uh talk out of further add on to the point now these even news articles are even done in the summary videos, for people to actually read through and understand what this information they want to get uh because they understand the people because of convenience and also because of easy to get information they want to actually provide this service uh and then you also brought another point and saying that why


oh what reading actually enhances be a persons imagination something that visual entertainment uh cannot do, uh but I think you have heard about this saying that says pictures speak a thousand words, so instead of uh seeing uh reading through uh entire article of news or even a book people prefer reading pictures


uh oh seeing pictures sorry seeing pictures and this actually can explain the entire news, uh to them okay so uh just to actually further add on to my point or further enhance my point just to say that actually if you look at the statistics percentage of locals borrowing hard copy books from NLB has dropped since two thousand and seventeen uh but the E book and audio books


okay yes I've brought up my points, ya ya sorry can I continue my point I forgot it's half way there okay so I were just saying the percentage of locals boring hard copy booked from NLB has dropped since two thousand seventeen based on the statistics but they e book and audio books have increased the number of loans


uh statistics to prove an even stronger point is that the TV streaming services subscription has also increased by twenty eight point five percent since two thousand and nineteen during this COVID nineteen pandemic why people actually want to get more visual entertainment uh and for one of the reason different TV streaming uh services such as Netflix


HBO Go Amazon Prime, and even local streaming platforms such as meWATCH has seen an increase in subscription, and this is a very clear indication of why people prefer visual entertainment as compared to uh reading and getting pleasure


no no I'm trying to say that both of it there's increase E book and audio books load and as well as tv streaming services has also increased


okay uh thank you Kishel okay just to also highlight to the point again just to uh disagree with the point and to propose again, like what you said uh it's true uh a picture is always accompanied by the words, uh the captions below to state a point but if you look at it is why do they do that is because very simple they want to capture the readers attention first which is true a picture which is the visual aid as well


okay but uh I have a very uh very important point to actually bring it up to the beach I think you have also noticed or even uh uh been aware of recently sadly but, truly nowadays kids prefer visual entertainment rather than reading


okay and statistically and even commonly I think you have seen as well children are seen with an iPad more than actually a storybook okay why because I think you realise that uh over time evolution has happen even children has come to a point of time where they're entertained or they learn something new


through, uh a a a visual entertainment through and iPad video or a video of their favourite cartoon and stuff like that as compared to you know uh have reading a book in getting the same knowledge of the story so I think, if you look at that as a very clear example it shows very clearly that visual entertainment the entertainment a pleasure the happiness a child gets when watching something on TV or on an iPad uh can never match to it getting its happiness or entertainment through reading uh reading a book


so again proves my point that uh visual entertainment can definitely compete with uh the pleasures of reading


okay thank you opposition uh I have already uh I would like to actually bring it up to your attention that actually in terms of stats wise uh both of you are equally uh accessible and easy currently if you are aware the NLB, is already launched its app and they really uh uh many


E books available for borrowing or unnoticed through uh through you know the portal and these portal helps people to to just read on the spot and return the book E book on the spot so if you were to talk about borrowing books, if the steps are as easy as you know having access to Netflix and uh uh Amazon Prime and every any other TV streams


so coming to my point like what you asked me to define, just now earlier was uh what kind of pleasure uh do they get a person get through visual entertainment, as compared to reading of course you've brought up a very badly deprive of imagination definitely but you can look at the children example that I brought up isn't just now scientifically is proven that audio and visual uh aids or through this kind of learners uh children actually uh some kinds of hormone are released in the body called endorphin


because they are able to relate to the character uh relate to the video and also learn something uh that is very that's very unique uh uniquely theirs, and this experience actually gives on the child a better experience and happiness and the pleasures of visual development like what I said can never compete uh can can called definitely compete with pleasures of reading today


so I think I've proven my point as well with the NLB example that accessibility is not a problem accessibility both of it actually has equal accessibility but it's about the preferences and also the the way people react to different forms of content I think right now in today's society


more of them are are more favourable of visual entertainment as compared to the non visual entertainment


yes definitely


I I disagree because both of it is the same steps


[orh] part one debate topic one sorry


you meant that education can help, it helped the young for with with what again ah


actually education, education education, education might not be the only thing that can prepare us for the world that's constantly constantly changing


cause many a time that what we study in school we don't use it in real life or


oh I I I doubt that I need to I need education to prepare myself for workforce because, if I'm going to join a company right, there will be there will be someone there to guide me along mah, so actually I don't think that, I really need education to


I mean it's okay to not have any knowledge because let's say if you are in the IT industry, and you don't study IT but you are still going to going to work IT industry people you will be still there to guide you along


I mean person personally I'm I'm studying general business, and I'm working in the finance industry, so many a time that, I don't really apply what I study to my work but whereas when I work when I when I came into the company right


people are there to guide me like MYOB premier, like computing of commission or this and that, ya so I think that, many a times that what I studied in school don't really, I don't really use it in the workforce lah


no but then the thing is I'm I'm trying to say is that, whatever I it I can have no knowledge before entering the company, but when I enter the company right as long as there's someone to guide me along right I think I would I would go on fine I can go with the flow ah


I don't I don't think I don't think that is why, what can I say, because every company has their SOP ah, so they will each company has their own system also, for example if you from studying at SUSS, they are teaching me QuickBooks whereas


during my workplace I'm I'm using MYOB, so, at the end of it I still have to learn something new mah


so if the school are teaching me to use step one step two step three step four step five step by step right, but, during a work workforce right, normally company will want you to, be efficient and more productivity so normally in the workforce right it'll teach you how to skip steps two then maybe skip step four then go to step seven


I don't think that education is very important for us to prepare to, for a world that's constantly changing


I mean it really depends on the company, because I had a friend that, had no education but, had been in a company for almost twenty years and is now a director in the company, so why is education important as long as I'm able to work long enough one day I'll be in that position what


but talking about a skill is not about education mah


I don't need to have a good educational enter a company as long as I think that the company is going to hire me, and I'm able to learn and I'm able to perform and apply everything what that I learn


then what are the chances that a company send me to the courses and what if they don't send me to the courses


so let's say now I'm in the finance industry right, so everyday I'll be seeing invoices opening DO opening PO, so what skill set do I need to improve myself


I I'm I'm I mean that if company is going to send me to courses right definitely they are going to increase my workload also, so if let's say I'm I'm doing finance right and I'm doing invoices PO DO computing a commission all this and that, then may I know what courses will they be sending me to


but my interest is not towards IT what my interest is just pure finance


accounting I think finance and accounting is somewhat related


I mean I mean why do I need to learn I mean, I mean in the in the current world right, I mean, like example Excel, just just one button only ah and everything is computed already you know so why do we need do why do we need education to count everything


something like posting to ledger, why do we need to know debit credit, when everything we just post ah post through the the Finatic MS everything then everything they sort it all by themselves so everything it'll end up in the balance sheet also so why is there a need to study all these


but the thing is that I don't need to know about it what the moment I just click to it right, you automatic go to the ledger balance debit or credit is up to the system, so end of the day right when accountant see the balance sheet right is still all inside there what, so what what do I really need to study about


for auditor wise right, we answer them when let's say there's a dispute in, a invoice so all we have to do is, all you have to do is to explain them the situation why is it in a dispute way, right


as long as as long as I think that we are able to understand answer the auditor I think there wouldn't be any issue within the auditor and us lah, no the thing is I don't need to learn I don't need to learn it what, all I need to do is


have someone to guide me along and I follow them step by step whatever they do, and then I finish the work


but I've but I have but I have no intention to go far what I'm just I just want a eight to five job go into office, do my daily work and then go home, so why is education important to me I don't think it's important to me as long as I'm able to do it daily


oh then this is really about the company culture


whether they value their employee or not


ya I need I need knowledge I need skill but I don't need to be educated to have a skill or knowledge what, no I mean if I'm going to do it everyday I will have the basic what so why do I need need to education


actually depends on how people really want to study, I mean for myself wise right, I would prefer studying on the by the book, rather than on the internet, because by studying on the book right, I can actually write notes down, whereas


studying on the on the computer right let's say on the computer, it'll be a bit difficult to keep switching from screen to screen, so that's why I think that books will be more efficient


understand that there are a lot of, e-books on available online but, whether there are legit one or not is another thing, it's the same thing as when you get reference for the project works, many a times that online on what online people wrote in the website right


they are just the author and whether their information is reliable or true is another thing, so by by using the books right, the books actually give you, the best reliable source, that's why most a lot of student went to the library to do projects


but the thing is when you're at the library right everybody have access to the book whereas not everybody has a handphone on on on on a computer to access the e-books or, or whatever online things you want to you want to be access to lah


I mean if you are talking about uh polytechnic or degree certificate, I think that online sources are more than enough to provide what you have lah, to to provide provide to provide you, what you need, but for as when you go up to the MBA or uh PHD level right


, book will be a more reliable source then what is on the internet, and because MBA and PHD right , their subject cannot be repeated subject, so, by going through the book right


most of the time that you won't there won't be a repeated subject lah


so what happen if I lost my phone or I lost my computer, so I have I have to end up with a book still right, I mean I mean losing a book compared to losing a phone I think losing a book will be in more cheaper than using a phone right


so what's makes you think that , sorry ah give me a moment, ya can can you repeat that again sorry


ya but what I'm trying to say is that, book will be a more reliable source because internet right, I mean of course for our standard degree polytechnic using the same source you and me I mean is fine but for MBA, once this source is being used right


so the next person who use this source again right it will be considered as plagiarism, no but there there are still some old books that people don't really manage to find it so I think that book will be more reliable as it's not like


really available to the net lah whereas internet when you keep type some keyword right everything appear on the net, so I think that book will be more reliable source than


I mean it really I mean it really depends on how the uh uh maybe we'll learn uh start learning ah, some will rather see a book with picture or some really like what you said they will see Youtube, , or whatever you name it on uh on the internet lah


nursery now are still using books right, so why is why isn't book important, I mean you can't expect a baby to start using the internet from young mah


but I think it really depends on the, the how a person that they want to study, for me right actually so, I have two way of studying ah one is by booklet and another is by e-booklet, so I


sometime I find that e-booklet is really a hazard to me that, like sometime I want to write notes, you cannot I cannot write it at the side, so I had to go all the way out and come back in, and sometime I accidentally like I turn it off, or I close the browser


so I have to go back all the way back to find it, whereas book I can just flip it back, which is very convenient and easy for me ah, for for my case right SUSS right I don't really have a page to enter


so I've normally just just click next next next next all the way to the to the end, whereas book right I can just, flip it to the end ah


no for cause for my for my case wise right, I using my case as an example right whereby, one page is one page so I need to click the next page to go to next page, so when the whole browser close right, and let say that I forget about what page I'm on


I mean there's there's a lot of words in the booklet, there's eight hundred thirty-seven pages in my, accounting booklet


so there's definitely there will be similar words what


and let's say if I want to find a word, that the last word I can remember is accounting, then I wonder how many accounting, words will I be seeing, no that's why that's why that's that's why I'm saying that books is better than internet because


let's say if my if my laptop run out of battery right, I I don't need to worry about my laptop running out of battery because I'm using e-book what I mean I using book book what, right, and and and and and to assess to all these


e-booklet thing you need to have internet, always and, although internet is easily accessible accessible nowaday right, not everyone really have, the convenience to find access to internet, let's say even though you are at starbucks


but sometime there are like, too many people in the internet connected to the internet, so either there will be limited access to the internet or, there will be no access to the internet internet at all, and I think that


to get to the booklet you want, you need to click a lot of tab click a lot of, things on the on the browser to get to the booklet, whereas using a book right, I can just easily flip it open, and just close it


because I already know where my where I'm at, for online wise I think that, not many people really remember what page they're at they're just


read and read and read and read


okay so let's say that , I'm doing a project, and I'm doing a project on, so when I key in the internet right, there'll be a lot of links to the website so let say I click onto one


but on the one page itself right or maybe the whole whole website itself right, there won't be full information about marketing, whereas compared to a booklet that they will explain from step one to step ten about marketing, it could be branding promoting digital marketing


right whereas online they only focus on one topic which is, like let's say, marketing I mean marketing is ah let's say uh digital marketing


but the thing is sources are sources but whether is is reliable or not is another thing, I mean and I mean any anyone anyone can create a website and then they are being they're being named as a author also mah, they can write anything on website they can do journalism on the website and they are also considered the author mah


whereas, whereas compared to a book right, it's more reliable as in like how to say ah


ya but my point here is that, I want a reliable source, but how can I know that, the internet is providing providing me a reliable source, let's say right let's say that I'm going to this website and this and let's say I'm doing a project about KFC


so, the first link told me that this KFC established on let's say on uh nineteen fifty-three, and the next thing told me that it's established on the nineteen fifty-four so what do I believe in


I'm I mean I mean if I going to use the internet right of course I want a convenient way right, but why do I have to go around looking looking for uh for something that I've I want to look for, whereas in a compared to a book right, there will be everything from introduction to the to the end to the conclusion


ya but but the but but no but then the the thing is I'm saying that, whether they are reliable or not is another thing [what} right, I mean you could be saying that is established in nineteen fifty-three I could be saying it's established in nineteen fifty-four and another friend could be saying that it's established in nineteen fifty-six


where that's let let's say that I've I've using I finding uh doing a project on not not not not a very famous shop right that not don't not like KFC let's say it's a new shop, so so where so how can I know is it reliable or not


uh part three debate topic three


sorry can you repeat the whole sentence again


I don't think education is the most powerful tool, I mean you can take a look at mark zuckerberg steve jobs or even bill gates, they are all, not educated I mean they're educated but, not a degree holder at least


but they managed to be the one of the, famous people in the world right now, therefore I think that education is not really, a powerful tool to, make our world better our world uh the world better place


I mean, you see mark zuckerberg right, he didn't study but he made facebook


no but then the thing is he's he started out by himself what


but the thing is that he's not educated what, he didn't went to school what I mean he did went to school but he drop out lah, so so uh I, I mean I mean if he if he sorry sorry if if if you are saying about education right but he didn't went to school right then


what sort of education did he receive, ya he went to school


why do I need to study coding in school whereas I can get all this relevant information online, I mean coding everywhere is the same what, right, whether you are coding, I don't know but I think it's the same


but but mark zuckeberg started all by himself what he didn't have any guidance what, I mean steve jobs and bill gates are the same also


I mean I mean if there's, no bill gate right there won't be google right


ya I mean if internet was not out yet right so how do they actually study it that in school, when it's not that when it when it's not even available, right, so why do I need to spend like, let's say like five years ten years twelve years


studying something, whereas I can just learn something outside, from school and get to where I want, I mean steve jobs bill gates and mark zuckerberg they are all the same cases what, they don't use


what they study in school to be successful, but they use, I think I think thinking out of the box better lah


but I still think that education is not that tool that you can use to make a better world, I mean making a better world can be referring to a lot of things like, convenience doing making a car manufacturing a car


I mean how can how can they change the world when we are educating something that is, the past that had already happened, I mean you just take a look at the current situation that corona virus right I mean previously previously there was SARS


I mean if really education education really help right, I mean shouldn't shouldn't COVID nineteen should have already ended, or they shouldn't even be started, history repeat itself and they are they are going to study about the history


but something related to, SARS is still happening right now, so why the need to study


I don't need to study I don't need to study to find out the root cause I just need to do some research on it


but I don't I don't need I don't think that people need to be educated to use the app, as long as they can press on the phone they know where to press, I don't think that they need to be educated person to use the phone, or to use the safe entry, I mean someone studying in primary school can easily go through the


the more with with, I I mean no ah why why why do I need to educated educate them, all I can all I can do is just, no no no no all I can do is right I can just take out my IC and scan at the mall so what do I need to educate them with


so so so that's why education is not important lah


why you just you just say that's why they came up with alternative what, as as long as there's a minority there's a number what


so you prove that education is still not the most important thing what, then what if they are unable to provide their their child with proper education


I mean is the is the same theory mah, if they are unable I mean if they are not educated and not able to provide provide their child with a proper education is the same theory what


no then why the why why the need to go through the six years when I can just do something I want that could help the world be a better place


no but I still think that education is not the most powerful tool


I mean you don't need you don't need to be educated, to, keep the environment clean and green what, I mean I think is this is all based on the culture and characteristic of the person, I mean take a look at let's say thailand, their place is full of dirt and you take a look at singapore


is so much better than thailand, so I think this has nothing to do with education, I think that if someone really want to make the world better, it really depends on their personality their character characteristic


many people in thailand are also educated what but their place still dirty, so I think this has nothing to do with education


so this became a characteristic lah is not more towards education already cause you you say that from young you learn to be more clean right , ya so, so this is this is more towards uh


no I I'm thinking I'm think I'm thinking what to say , alright sure sure , so Peng can you repeat repeat your last sentence again I'm so sorry


I mean there are many ways to bring changes to a person life there are so there are so many ways to making the world a better place but why the need to be educated


let let's say that I'm no I'm not I'm I'm not a baby right, so when I reach a certain age right, definitely uh definitely, I would I would know I would I would know what is right and what is wrong


click on which one


I do agree that education prepare the young for the world that is constantly changing that's because that education can teaches the young to be able to prepare them for the future needs like the knowledge like the awareness


in in terms of uh social awareness and even, the, the future the capabilities the decision-makings and how they helps them to live take and take their changes in their own life


well can I say that I do agree like education that can helps them to turn their weakness to help them to stand up in their confident hello


ya I can hear y'all [orh] okay, the youngsters can can learn from the education to prepare the for their future knowledge to be able to prepare to come out to workforce to to have a better standing point in the society


uh can can go for


so I repeat just now what I say or what, I just say that education can brings the youngster


to, have the better knowledge to be able to stand out in the future where they prepare themselves in terms of society based on uh their educations, like self-awareness, and every single thing that they learn from school they they will bring it up to the workforce to apply in the real world


which is constantly changing, so they will better prepare in, in terms of like , when they are come out to workforce they know what to do in and you can even help people in terms of like


uh how to say and more prepared than like you know, to help people to help, to contribute to the society


but ya but they still do prepare us like in terms of you know, like the basics like, like languages to speaking skills which you learn from school you need to know know how to you present yourself in the workforce you know


like if you have no knowledge on it, people won't even hire you at the first place you know


ya but the basic like you know, when you says that like education like you you in order you need to learn the basic languages like in order to communicate through towards the another party you don't you do not even have the basic communication skills how do even deliver your message across


but you do learn like Word like Word Word document or Microsoft Powerpoint all these Excel are learn in learn from school what and you are applicable uh applying all these in workforce right


ya ya do you do but it's problem that you need to prepare yourself in order to go in you know you can't be going in like empty-handed like you know like nothing like a blank paper people will like you you then learn let let the seniors to teach you from scratch which is quite a tedious like very tough


where some workforce right you need to start work immediately and you need to learn every single thing like within a short period of time, if you do not prepare yourself to go in you'll be like it'll be a very tough period for you lah


so I think the youngsters need to prepare themselves in order to go into the workforce you know


ya you're you are saying about the system workflows all these like the system SOP the company SOP but in terms of the knowledge-wise right this you need like you basic knowledge all these is from learning from school you know like


the the step by step thingy are from school, so when you go into the workforce you're they expect you to know like the main the basic knowledge of every single thing so when you go on hand you would they only need to just basically just touch on the additional information that you are missing out


but it's a basic life for you to get into the the workforce right if you do not have an education if you do not have a degree you cannot get a good pay in in the workforce you know so education is important to determine your a headstart in your work but


eventually it will be your experience that counts lah


but in uh in order for him to do so I believe he also take up some courses which helps him while, along his way when he's climb climbing his corporate ladder


like course where course also education some course will teach you the theories like theory and also the skill side what, I say those courses that which will teach you not uh also the theory side and the application side of the skills like how you do in office these are educating you to be a better in terms of like the knowledge that you learn from the course that can apply it into the workforce


but still some company will send you for courses to to upgrade ourselves to learn more


to improve yourself, right, currently governments are encouraging , uh employees to employers to send their employees to to all these courses to upgrade themselves to you know to not be able to you know to adapt to the changing world to not be enable to sacked from you know


sacked from the workforce to keep up with the workforce pace, cause you need to learn you need to keep on learning in order to you know to keep your your your job


ya you can you can apply some technical stuff into your your work to like automate your job what


ya they they can they can send you to those finance IT-related course where you know IT is growing and


then you should jolly go to, mainly finance you know, I mean that you you should just go into mainly finance like this is more on accounting


ya is uh subset of it you know, but you still need to learn more accounting yes accounting ya you learn uh, accountings you like right like what you say accountings the book-keeping all these the skill the knowledge I'll learn from school what


so you, while your job you need to learn in all if in order to learn to keep yourself


if you don't study you won't know that uh how how to even recognise what are the things that is considered debit what are the things that they consider credit you know


for accountants why they will need to know what in order when auditor came come comes by then they will question you eh why your your balance like that uh so you need to answer them


if you do if you do not know what you're you are doing how you'll even answer the auditor


but this come from all education your knowledge where you learn from all these should really have


but it doesn't you if in order to go get you far you should you should keep on learning learning stuff you shouldn't be like oh just listen to someone who say uh to guide you imagine this person have only


ya what if another person who come by and yes he is able to like you know to do what more things that are more than you who have more knowledge than you'll be


you will be sacked from from the world, but now companies are wanting employees , to be able to add value to the company so in order to add value you need to have knowledge uh uh skills experience all these


if you are not educated you don't even have the basic education needs you know


we are saying about the young youngster needs education in order to, to, climb up to where you're are now right otherwise they come out to work,


part two debate topic two


okay I agree that books serve data purpose in education as technology developments become more sophisticated this is because that


you can see that those kids nowadays they are holding onto phone that , like iPad, they learn everything from phone iPad like Youtube even like they google themselves and you seldom sees that people uh just basically using books to even get their knowledge from or even to look at it


people are using like you know in front of our phone like to find books e-books to read and even iPad to play their games so I don't really thinks that, books really can be uh serve any purpose in education


like ya like what you say right, books will but books right you need to spend money buying books like every single year to where you you can just jolly download like a single copy


like, maybe uh like this topic you can just single download and all will be kept in your phone you don't need space to store all your books you know and if what if you lost your book, you need to buy another one where technology right you can store it in your phone and whenever you want to refer to your your books right I mean your notes right you can just download it from from the the cloud or what whatsoever and you can just reference it directly


like note-taking there's oh there's also apps that have note-taking function for you to take down your note or even there's recording function for you to even to record when when, when you when you study until where, like a screen capture


if you if you forget what where you study to


well didn't you see that uh even national library they're they are turning their books into


e-books digitalised so they are keeping it all the books like to like changing the books into e-books instead


but majority of the information can be found on the internet, like what you say project you all use Google right then everything is on the internet and you need to determine like you need to slowly go and research whether this information can be trusted or not


before you even apply it into your your so-called world, project or even maybe your work, you need to determine, you need to do some research to ensure that information is correct, that you can it be used


and, it's not those like scam or not so appropriate information


but usually right you can use your phone to read all these e-book right I believe so that they do have e-books in in can be found in your phone so you don't need to have the physical books with you right


you, you do have a phone and


but what if you lose all your books, like what if like maybe a fire destroy uh then all your books are gone but like phone, like, example like your phone is spoilt you still can use your laptop or your computer to even google or even you can borrow your your your colleagues or your friend's phone uh laptop it to even google the information


like I say is like, if the physical books are not around you can still use your laptop your phone to even google the books the information


there's e-books online so you can quote from the e-books itself you don't need to be like


but that's uh is only the minority right, like a majority people still reference their their the information from online to get their information


while online even like the kids nowadays they they do they they learn like, from the music the Youtube you see they, not like our time where we use book, they and they learn even faster through uh through it you know and uh


I don't deny that but problem is when they, they grow older they will still need to depends on technology you see even you're when you go until primary school right


teachers are using computer slides to like even educates you, and even you are when workforce you also use uses technology


technology goes right you can search like actually you can control F whenever like you want to find what is the information that, like example like I I read until I can't remember where I read to so I just control F, so I can find those information or even a keywords in where books I need to flip one by one to like to nowhere I read to


but you should remember the last keyword that you read too so you can control F and find the last keyword and you you can


copy the word into to the find function and you are able to, to find where you study to


there'll be a lot but one thing is you shouldn't be only one accounting what you'll roughly


if like


but still you'll still prefer using online stuff and then phone right because it will be easier like, you won't be you need you won't need to carry all the books to your lecture, you will just carry your laptop, and everything is inside you you can pre-download all these into your laptop and save save it in your on your desktop or


but still you can google google more on information from beside the whatever and sources that you come from your books


like if you happens to want to like get more information from the books like like you don't even understand or you need further information you still use online sources to find more rather than you go and find another book where you can jolly go google itself it will scrutinise all the source for you


and allow you to know which are the top sources to refer to, you can you can refer to those reliable


you can, you can refer to those sources from the libraries where they will got they do have those those e-books, e-sources e-recordings online


you will look at those trusted source like the news the library like library website or even those trusted author they do have their personal


ya you can find those e-books online you can just refer to the e-books right you


you can find those e-books that instruct from the chartered website right like the NLB


part three debate topic three


I think education is the most powerful tool that we can use to make the world a better place


having education you have you will be able to have more knowledge which you can use it to your daily lives and the knowledge that you can able to


okay


helps the, people to be able to gain those knowledge to be able to, to change the world by having to invent new things, to, to come up with vaccines to even to help to save people


where you prepare


but they he he hires people with the knowledge to be able to come up with all this website or Microsoft


he do started out by himself but he do have this knowledge from the facts like he know how to code at the first place you need to be you need to have education you need to learn all these


he ya he at least he do went to school you know he but it


he do went to school what, he just he went to college but he did he did not went he did not went to uni just that he went to I mean he do he do have the basic I mean the tertiary education, where he learns coding from so he's in order in order to come up with Facebook he need he needs to know how to code right where this I I believe he learns from school


ya you can learn from online but problem is, you will do learn the basic like you need someone to guide you like the basic like when you even, even you encounter any issue there's someone who will lend you a helping hand when you do have a doubt someone


yeah but they do I believe they do google from they get the information from online


while the time for for last time they do they they learn all they when internet it is not up yet when during the last time those century but


but you need education at the first place where you you need to learn, like you start you from from young you need to learn at least you know how to learn at the basic language if you do not even receive any education you won't even know how to speak how you even know how the language work how the things like how life how society works


but you can use education to educate the youngs one the youngs one will be the the one who come out to change the world


so they can learn from the past to change to make to think out of the box to to make life


they need to study in order to find the root cause the root cause so they can come up with the vaccine


but in order to to be able to do research you need to at least have at least have the basic knowledge on how this thing comes about how you even to experiment the thing to come like to detect where the


the, cause the cause is to come up with a better solution to even to mitigate it to ensure that the virus won't spread, and educating people like, to have safe distancing to even use like like what we are using like SafeEntry app to to uh uh detect where our whereabout


if no if if you do not even educate people like how to even use the app or even how does you even deliver the message across


ya but you need to guide the person you know you know educate, you


you need, that's another way for those people that is vague we are we they are don't know how to use the the devices that's why they come up with an alternative for those people


it's still important if it if not, that's for the minority so you, the the device still is cater for the majority right


that's maybe for those at elder generation where they don't they do not have the privilege to receive education during the last time


like the basic education now right, is, like for our country is those they they they can receive financial help if you are those under privilege family so government can help to subsidise your school fees will help to even to receive those max uh max uh the minimum primary school education that you need to


that's mandatory for every single child in singapore that you need to receive the you need to go through the six years to learn to to study


but if you do not if you don't go to school, will it will you know how to even like count do you know how to speak, will you even know how to you know use on those like devices where if if your parents are busy at work and


there's no no siblings for you you'll only learn it from you know uh uh like a teacher in school, like if if you say you learn it from the online, you will encounter some issue and you need some, clarification and who can you look for when your parents are at work and there's no one at home you need a teacher to guide you otherwise you will turn astray you know


but at least it will just help the youngsters to be to know at least like, the, to be the requirements like what they need to learn in like the basic language like how to even count


to in order to know right, like, for countries like us we are majority educated that's why we will know that we shouldn't litter that we should keep our environment clean to it to prevent you know to prevent ourselves from having like uh uh


diseases like to keep this is like the basic that we we should even know like if you see there's uh uh uh uh dirt there it at your home


I mean it's like to bring up that you need to be educated to like you know to know that and you shouldn't you need to learn from from young lah you education is from young that [orh] you shouldn't dirty the place


but you you need someone to educate you in order to like to learn right, if no ones that told you that no one told you that all


it's wrong to the litter it's wrong to set fire it's wrong to do this and do that will you even know you won't know what you will continue all your bad habit or your your so-called you'll just turn turn yourself to a bad to a bad not a good person or some


I still believe that education will be, the most important tool is because like, you need to educate from young until old, to be able to know the basic knowledge to be able to


you know to put across your whatever you can learn from there to to be a better person to from your school your teacher your, uh the bringing like the upbringing in yourself you learn from it and you if there's any improvement in the society you can use those knowledge that you learn to apply it in the world


to to bring a changes to people's life


if no education you won't you won't even know how to even solve the the problem you know, but you need to at least you have a education previously right at least you have the education previously right at least at least you learned something from school right so you will know some that you can even learn some case


and improve the qualities of people's lives


hi kevin you ready now ah (ppc) you you you ready I ready liao ah


uh okay so first of all I would agree that modern technology always improve the quality of people's life particularly comes to like travelling communication and everything along the, you know everything under the sun I would say so for example communication like to actually make an appointment with your friends get interviewing online such as the COVID virus now and we all get to work from home at our own comfort level and I will say it take into safety into account for this particular topic


so modern technology have actually advanced since from the past till now and have advanced to uh I would say a technology kind of, even now that everything we do does relates to like internet smartphone


smart TV everything comes with smart I would say ya, so for example I would say uh we need uh a couple of hundred years ago, people are traveling using horses uh maybe on foot and stuff like that but now we are traveling through trains bus cars and everything that actually reduces the travelling time and obviously actually improve the comfort level of our (hmm) daily life I would say


then next I will say that ya so I actually can communicate with my friends like just over a phone call over a text almost instantly ya instead of you know writing a letter or like, older time where they use a pager then you know actually find a payphone to actually you know to contact the other party which is I which I feel like that is extremely uncomfortable and extremely inconvenient to actually do it


ya so I believe modern technology does improve the quality of people's life so I thought for example like students you know we used to actually go libraries to actually you know borrow books , they have to source for information that is a very actually very tedious method to do it nowadays you will just you know just log into google and we can just actually search for any information we can actually find online


and there're even forums online that actually information are out there everywhere ya, so there won't be any you know lack of information and I will say that this information actually educates, everybody in the world ya so that is nothing you actually don't know about because Google is there for you you are you are actually able to actually use this technology to your advantage I would say so for example shoppers are being more educated


and buyers being more sellers also get more educated so you can buy things online like the Gmarket and stuff like that so you can you can actually see the prices of the goods itself, to make sure that you are buying the things at the correct prices at the correct rate the quality you can even see the review there so I think that uh modern technology just actually improved our lives tremendously I will say


ya so I believe my time it's almost done


okay so talking about emotional ties right I believe modern technology actually, we do uh improve the emotional ties between people yes because it make communication more effective make communication more convenient between humans I would say


so for example me and my friends we are able to actually you know chit chat over WhatsApp at our own convenience and they will actually remind me instantly, then modern technology such as you know like uh payment PayNow credit card ya so it made life way easier for example we were to go out and all have to have a drink or have a dinner we we are able to split the cost in a very


easy and convenient manner just by you know using PayNow and stuff like and or or maybe internet bank transfer we are able to actually you know search for information on euro countries to travel, uh places of interest to actually visit so as compared to the past right without modern technology that will be actually


almost impossible trip to be done ya so nowadays I'm actually able to log in online to actually research on places that my friends actually suggested we're able we are able to make plans on where you want to go the activities we want to do there, so that is why I believe that this actually improve the emotional touch so even before we even before me and my friends actually go to the place of interest that we are we are uh wanting to visit


you are we are actually able to have a discussion over you know in uh uh (ppc) actually able to have a discussion over the information found online such as we would say that ah these place looks cheap there are good reviews or for example the ramen there taste good or is very spicy and stuff you're you're are actually able to you know engage


uh very interactively I would say so I thus think that modern technology actually does reduce the gaps between people and improve the emotional touch then, furthermore I would say that you know because of technology advancement we are actually able to you know catch any movies any drama than we had missed on theatre to watch it on TV so by so me and my friends we could actually watch the movie at home that's in the past is impossible to do it ya


cause TV was black and white or maybe they have only radios and stuff like that so it's impossible to actually do it, then I will say modern technology on the other side because of globalisation businesses are actually doing well, because we are able to source goods from all around the world we are not solely doing business in our home ground now


so for example the business might fail in singapore but it might be successful in vietnam thailand you know brazil and all the countries around the world because we have actually make like shipping and you know air flight way cheaper way more affordable and more convenient


in the past I don't think I in the past I think shipping actually take pretty long ya so to buy something is actually you know will going to cost you a lot of money for example air transport going to cost you a lot of money so now there's budget airline and stuff like that and technology advancement actually leveraging on the


technology to actually make things more affordable for all of us like in the past you take a cab, is a very expensive thing from what I heard from my parents but nowadays you know taking a Grab actually you know pretty affordable if you're in a rush you can take grab or train, nowadays uh our our singapore MRT system has been so advanced that they almost went to I know every parts in singapore now even if the train doesn't cover that the buses does so I would say that modern technology without doubt is actually improving the quality of our lives ya so I think my time is done here


okay so I do agree that modern technologies you know everything in the world have it pros and cons so modern technology definitely, have its cons it makes scammer and you know it makes scammers leverage on technology to actually be more deceptive to actually you know do those do scam to scam you people money or to embezzle money


because now to actually transfer money you know you can transfer the money from one one country to another country in a matters of seconds you know so there's actually a lot of illegal transaction going on that because of modern technology that is you know could be hard to trace but on the other, hand I would like to actually debate that right because of modern technology advancement right everything is way easier to trace now because of bank account transfer the police are able to track down people you know track down the account track down the account holder your conversation are probably recorded I would say


so everything has a you know has a foot has a footprint has a has a record, so everything is actually being monitored I would say ya it's just a matter of you know whether how troublesome it is to actually dig up those evidence and information


so I believe modern technology actually does you know in a way creates more trouble but also create the solutions to the trouble as well so this is my argument


I mean I I I I agree that overseas border could be uh could be actually problematic between you normal countries you know try to actually tackle illegal crimes together but but I will say that because of modern technology like so and singapore there's uh actually tons and thousands of CCTV everywhere


so you were to actually break the law the police could actually you know tap on the CCTV abilities and the you know their technology competency to actually track every criminal down, and you know to to to to arrest the


the the the wrongdoers I would say so and I would believe that our modern days right we have been actually using Facebook so Facebook has been actually a source for people to whistleblow to actually report and post on you know uh wrongdoings that they actually they they actually you know see in their life to life day to day


so for example they actually recorded you know somebody that are fighting in a fighting in a you know coffeeshop and everything so they will actually upload it online or for example some cars that are actually speeding so these are actually being recorded by you know the public then the public actually uploaded on Facebook


and they got flag it they got flagged out and the police actually take action so I I believe modern technology does not, increase the crime but actually reduces crime or I will say they deter criminals from actually doing illegal activities ya


I mean for fake news wise right I think because modern technology right you can actually search whether the news is relevant or not ya so for example I see something that is fake I would actually


Google it out to see you know does this thing actually exist so chances are Google actually have the answer like you know eh this is actually a myth it's not true then somebody will actually come up to actually you know turn, down the false accusation or for fake news yup


(hmm) okay I I I agree with that


is if if not without science


ya ya <P2> kelvin </P2> you need help you just ask ,


if it it does come on but I tell you I I I, ya ya okay !hey! !hey! we got one minute okay come I teach you how to how to counter me okay you first you define what is science first okay science got limitation one so we'll talk about limitation of science ya so for example got


science there lah the person don't wanna use the science they are they are incapable of change they are not receptive to change so right even got science right they also no use, ya and some people want to ya some some people some, ya and and and how effective also you know ya ya but it but


if you don't if don't they don't leverage on science right is not effective ya so imagine I teach you science you know eh help me to do this thing and this where you say no I like it the old way you think doing stupid old way ya


ya okay, science got science got limitation okay innovation and science are two different things okay, ya innovations and science are two different things okay ya


and and and and and ya you see ya ya science is improving lah you see like global warming still still persisting lah right because you don't care you know, ya we we absolutely don't care about drought what right drought also causing farming to become very bad what right got got storm


got a lot of natural disaster getting worse got global warming also [what right now our science doing


!wah! no I don't want to , , ha ya I I I I smarter right if I come here I don't I don't want to only carrying you lah come on


uh okay okay, so is effective farming possible with our science so what is effective first okay so effective, I believe will be increase in quality and increase in quantity level eh both has to be you know be improving to be actually considered as effective


so farming so there's farming there are agriculture there are fish farm and there are other sort of farm as well like you know like you know farming of you know growing, flowers is a uh is a sort of farming as well , so possible or not possible I believe both ways are possible because farming has actually be in in the world from uh to say a couple of thousand years since older days farming has the been the only way for humans to actually you know grow crops for our own daily


consumption and with or without science I would strongly believe that with science farming, it's more effective because with science we are actually able to you know evaluate, err the what crops what fish you know what food what fertiliser that you know the crops or fishes like to eat to actually find the best way to actually you know you know farm them I would say so for example


yes you know in older days they are using you know fertiliser that you know, come in a more uh natural resource but, but natural resources are actually limited so science actually will leverage on you know to actually dissect on how the fertiliser work and and you know actually do manmade fertiliser


manmade chemicals to actually boost the quality of the crops and quantity on the crop at the same time, so in the past you know there are there are drought and stuff and insects and everything else so the chemicals are actually there to you know to prevent this from happening to make the plants more resilient towards disaster I would say


then then I will say agriculture there's irrigation also so so with science they are they are they have actually found out ways to actually perform better irrigation to you know better the transfer the water from the river to another place, and I will say you know uh with science okay so in older days they're actually using chauffeur you know and stuff like that to actually farm crops using a very bad fertiliser so with science they are using higher quality fertiliser and fertiliser came at a cheaper price


and the performance is more consistent you know throughout the farming period because of this we are actually able to you know gain you know consistent crop with a consistent performance, and next farming I will say that yes so farming comes with you know genetic modified food which actually meet the you know ever-increasing demand of you know


the world population is only increasing and not decreasing so if without science farming will not be effective to actually meet the demand for the entire population of the world as I would say china and india


both country actually made a half the world population so, to actually meet the demand we need science to actually help us to increase the productivity of how farmers farm, and ya for example I would say starbucks ya see Starbucks are are actually investing on you know farmers to educate them to teach them how to actually you know make use of their lands more effectively because


because of the you know shortage of land and the increasing sea level lands are actually getting more and more expensive and this will cost Starbucks to actually you know increase the cost of Starbucks to actually you know farm coffee bean so they actually is cycle to actually reduces this ya


eh wait wait wait even you agree you can elaborate on what you agree one what


okay so I do agree that you know there are certain extent where effective farming is still possible without science because innovation and science are two different things so for example right so I have personal experience so I went to cambodia and vietnam so I saw them you know farming


without advanced science like the you know the developed country so they are still there are farming you know rice crops corns at a very effective rate, that actually could meet the country demand so sometimes right because they are still you know able to meet the demand so there is no drive in them to actually push forward for science you know and and and you know such


advancement in science to actually you know to far more effectively so for example thailand they are you know they're pretty famous for their rice so even though they are not farming you know as good as, canada and and and everything else but they are still you know able to be top in the world you know it like for example you go to NTUC you could see that a couple of brands of rice you know that it's actually coming from


thailand so I believe effective farming could could is still possible without science but with science it is easier to farm more effectively, so for example singapore like you know from straits times I have read so effective farming could be actually a way to reduce global warming and solve certain you know sustainability issue for the world


for example effective farming had actually you know introduced concepts so introduced concepts are actually not science you know is more of you know invention uh uh idea creation and a more of a disruptive innovation so for example that singapore had actually adopt you know a way of a away to actually farm crops to


and to actually reduce uh global warming by farming at you know the rooftop of HDB flat, and you know the rooftop of car parks because you know space are pretty limited in singapore so we need to actually make effective use of our land to actually farm crops so we actually suggested to use you know all the office building you know they're their


their you know the rooftop are actually being vacant for no particular reason so they're actually coming out with ideas to use them to our you know advantage rather than leaving them to for you know, uh for no purpose thus giving them a plan you not renting or anything so why not


you actually grow crops to reduce the temperature of the office and the office could actually you know reduce temperature of the aircons and stuff like that to actually be more sustainable and at the same time it help businesses to actually reduce costs so I believe effective farming is you know is way more possible with science


but I do not deny that you know without science it is still possible, yup so that will be my argument for now


ya so I believe that you know the the fishes in the world is actually on a declining rate you know like the way the population of the world


is increasing and the amount of fishes that in the sea are actually in proportionally you know uh in a in an unproportionate level where humans are consuming more and more fishes and actually causing a lot our destruction to the you know the see environment that is hurting


that is hurting the you know the the the end, the the health of the sea ya especially you know the corals are dying and the way they're exploiting the the they are exploiting the you know the sea creature I will say ya like they are you know overfarming of fishes that we actually need to actually you know


to counter this thing by actually you know coming out with a manmade sea uh manmade small pool to actually grow fishes and using genetic modified food to help the fishes to grow at a rapid rate ya


okay so so effective farming okay so for example right, the pushing population of the world right so we need more land to build houses for example singapore is one country that is facing very limited land and our land right are actually you know some are using for you know to


bury our waste then we actually reclaim land from the sea and all these have actually are are are limited we we we can't be reclaiming sea you know continuously nonstop so there is that is you know there is a need, for a solution to you know to maintain the sustainability of singapore so for now


the developing countries are still you know still farming because they have you know abundance of land sufficient of land to actually to farm farm crops and then singapore will actually buy the crops from them but if a day that they are actually they had enough of growing crops we might actually you know be


short of sellers and singapore might be actually you know lack of crops even though we have a lot of you know cash or reserve to actually buy crops from from our overseas counterpart so I believe, that you know effective farming need to actually be established like singapore I would need to actually you know farm effectively to meet you know the essential demand I will say