everyone their nation would ah benefit from that decision uh from that direction uh the direction that the nation ah is heading towards


men yeah, uh, I would say


yes it should be a lesser percentage uh they should be represented, ah uh for women or uh like the minorities uh they should be represented in the


in the in the cabinet so that we have different perspective, but they should not hold the position of they should not hold too high of a power position


yes so new zealand is only started for ah twenty seventeen ah is only three years, uh before that they were at they were they were doing as well they did not do poorly when they have uh uh


male taking the rein of a political leader so ah there is is just a change to to, it it just uh uh to see if ah it's just a change of uh men uh leadership to see how it goes


but I don't believe that ah I I do not at the moment I do not see if it is built upon what it was done, that the groundwork has been done and they are just building from that, so it will not be a good example to say that new zealand uh having a female uh president is beneficial for the nation at the moment


okay, uh ya if is is a fifty fifty ah, uh women tend to be to side women but men tend to be because they are more emotional they would all women would side women uh and will have a fifty percent


uh it it will not be very uh useful you have fifty percent agree agreeing on one (ppc), on one policy or one decision and the men generally have ah they're more, uh open minded they're more ah impartial in making their decision so (ppc)


they would be it so having them fifty fifty will not be such uh good at this but I would good suggestion but I would suggest uh lesser, percentage say like ten to twenty percent


uh yes, (ppc) uh yes


ya, but it if if all women are are uh because I've seen (ugh) you know I've seen but women tend to, tend to stick with one another so once one women say something


all women would would stand by her so so that decision is already fifty per cent, so you just need one one person on the male side to side them which is which is uh, not possible ah then that decision will just go towards what the women wants


uh, so, what uh they they they could if they ah if they have ah


if they are devoid of their emotions but uh but women are emotional people, are emotional creature eh and they are rightfully to and that is in their genes and


men and women are therefore uh why there's a reason why men and women are are created differently


uh so a women if a, if an agreement like ah in iran or if possible in iraq when there is a need for war, and need to find uh the weapon of mass destruction a woman cannot make


would be very emotional they do not want to go to war and with that said they maybe we maybe living in a different world we may, be even going, to world war three or world war four


so men can make that decision to go to war to safeguard not only the nation but also for for for all of us in on on this earth


uh yes they should be represented, yes, uh more, err but err, they should be more but it it may not be a better it it may not be


ah at least I see at the moment it will not be a better place for for all of us, if there is an overwhelming number of women uh in the political scene, because ya and and there's a reason why you see in singapore there are still more men than women


yes we are


uh yes they we have the same system the same education but because we ah there's men and women, we are brought up differently we we have a different desire we have, uh so education and system doesn't mix ah ah the everyone the same


it just shows that we have equal opportunity but it doesn't really, create everyone the same or else everyone would be would talk like one another, and will be no different than other individual thank you


okay it's recording, improve the quality of people's life


okay I think we can start, okay I believe that modern technology always improves the quality of people's life since the beginning of technology


because as you can see that uh the invention of the wheel the car the phone has always made people's life easier, so uh in in every aspect it always helps improve human lives and if you compare uh


the modern day human today, and compared to the, in the past where humans had to for example if you want to talk about cars, like humans had to travel long long distances either in horse and carriage, or walking which make this very inefficient and a lot of tragedies happen during this uh voyage


so when the car was invented uh it makes people life very very efficient so that also started the the mechanical age where you know uh everything could be expedited, mail could come in instead of uh taking months for letters to come it could take just maybe even a a month or within weeks


so this is why I believe that uh, technology has always improve the quality of people's lives


uh okay so if you want to talk uh we can also talk about the invention of the cellphone before that, people were not able to communicate with each other, uh at anytime they wanted so if they wanted to communicate they have to either send letters


and wait for the other party across the world or within even the same country, uh if you cannot meet them so you communicate through letters but now with just a touch of a button we can communicate to someone across the world at anytime


anywhere so this is a, this is how technology is actually, improved people's lives where it actually has brought us together more, and if you see uh


when uh neil armstrong went on the rocket right the amount of technology that was used for the rocket, it's a million times lesser than what we have in our modern day smartphone so the amount of calculations and amount of ability that we can do is


uh it's it's at a different level we are more capable today than we have ever been throughout human history


so yes I I do see the point I agree that uh uh technology the development of technology has actually always been taking away jobs, so when when the car was invented when people used to travel by horses everyone complained that uh oh now that there are cars when people can drive themselves and travel themselves now we won't be able to


travel by horse and all our jobs would be gone but now do you hear anyone complaining about, not being able to deliver anyone by horse and the same thing happen when uh, uh trains were invented people also complain many people lose their jobs so this this thing is inevitable this is always gonna be happening people are gonna to lose their jobs that market is going to die off the important thing is


it's not the the job dissolved, only in that industry but other jobs will open up in different industries so for example if we take the car so during the invention of the car many people were lost their jobs as uh cost and carriage uh uh like they are like taxis they drive people they bring people around


so when they lost their jobs, it forced other people to take up into other jobs such as uh being mechanics being manufacturers of cars you know uh making the the cars uh auto body and the engines and electronics and engineering so many many many other industries


so it it it forced people to actually be more, highly highly more educated so that they can move into other industries the same way where how we're moving into now where now if you can see that uh even


primary schools and or and secondary schools are integrating coding as part of their curriculum so last uh if you think about the past you your parents who call would say that no we didn't use to do programming now the life of a student is very hard


it yes is true but the because of the development of technology now programming is a fundamental need for everyone, so no matter what it is as technology improves even though it takes away jobs it always creates new jobs in other industries and other fields


so there's not really a a a job issue here is just more for the opportunity or whether people want to take it in the first place, ya


okay so so what you were saying that uh in Jurong east there are these robots that are


like a, they help to clean clear the plate and all these right so you said that it takes away the jobs from the people like a, who can be the, who can do the same job correct so uh yes that's true it takes away those


those jobs but now, now they it it took away this waiter job right now it opens up new new jobs for people who can become a software engineers for, the for the for the robot you know how to coding


uh coding the robot, or maintenance for the robot if anything goes faulty so being a mechanic and being a software developer and


correct so you what what technology is doing is actually is forcing people to, to become more educated so for example if you take singapore for example in uh in the past, it as long as you have a PSLE uh uh uh graduate if you graduate with the PSLE uh certificate


you are able to do many many jobs and then and then it slowly became okay as long as you have a secondary school uh uh certificate, now is slowly starting to be a now diplomas are now being regarded as the minimum and sooner or later it's gonna be degrees that are going to be the minimum right


uh no no it's not of ya, uh no not in that sense


uh yes that that is due to having too much of one industry if you want to talk about engineers there are too many engineers that's true but what I'm saying is it's more of the now that it forcing people to be become more highly educated and all the simple simple jobs that can be done by robots are done by


modern technology will be done by modern technology and this, uh well we cannot we cannot determine that because that will always be changing it has always been the the limit has always been being pushed


like like I say, so this is, but this is the natural process of evolution evolution works this way


evolution of man and then became the evolution of machine and now it's evolution of technology, this is how it works so if you see man, where in the past those who are weak will die off


no it is improving the quality of people's life is just those who are not willing or those who are not able to to compete in this world, with those uh requirements they will not survive, so uh I I mean to be frank they they won't be able to cope up with this in this world so we are always trying to push the human limit to be better


the bare minimum must be better, you see, and this we we cannot stop this so imagine if we say okay fine we we don't let uh modern technology, improve uh we let it stay wherever it is correct


we let it stay wherever it is so that people can still keep their jobs and people, do whatever the do whatever they want yup then, how will you solve the other other problems in the world


is effective farming possible without science


so I I think that it is not possible to have effective farming with without science because uh if you see, uh right now, okay yes uh


our our world has been so, err, it's been affected by climate change and and toxic, uh environment and uh all all sorts of mess that affected the world so our our


agriculture capability is not what you used to be in the past so in the past when environment was very very stable right right now you can see that uh our environment is always haywire it's not always, the same so in these types of situations if we use


uh crops without GMO so genetically modified uh crops right so if we don't use modified uh corn or or, or whatever it is then the crops will very easily die because of the changing of the weather


so when we modify the crops to be able to withstand and resist different climates and different temperatures and different uh test and uh you know all these other other things then, the the amount of yield that we get from each harvest will be much more so you you you there's a lot of evidence packing this uh this science and data to show that actually our because of GMO genetically modified uh crops we have actually


uh increased the the amount of uh harvesting for since since the past so our our if like a regular corn it could feed like a a few people, uh handful of people right now the genetically modify corn can actually have has more of minerals and vitamins and can actually be able to feed more people


like uh maybe it it it could feed ten people even for for each corn because it produces more of the food so yeah this is why I believe that uh it it it is a much much better uh in the sense that we we cannot have


effective farming there are still organic uh food being produced but if you see in the supermarket the amount of organic food compared to uh modify or genetically modified crops is is completely different the the amount of organic food is so little because that's how much you can harvest


that's all you can get and a lot of it dies dies off in during harvest because of uh weather and pest and pests and pest and temperature and et cetera et cetera so the amount of organic food compared to there's very little organic food even though it can be done but it's not effective


so if you want to talk about effectiveness it has to be through science, uh due to our current conditions


okay so yes uh yes so


the the reason why, uh genetically modified food was even invented in the first place was because there was a problem, and the problem was, that we cannot feed the world


there are people who are still going hungry, because there's not enough just because we can eat every day does not mean the rest of the world can, so if if you have if you get to eat a steak today it means that someone else in the world has to starve


that is the current situation right now and it due to whatever reason it maybe in the past due to industrial age and yes all those emitting of gases, it has caused our our environment to be as it is now


which is we can't do anything about that right now all we can do is reduce but, now since the situation is such, the only method that we can do is this, is through science, because in the past one hectare of land


if you use organic seed even now if you use organic seed and all organic crops one hectare of land could fit only so much people because even when your harvest the seeds and the plants are not able to, fight


pest and uh, and temperatures and water shortage of water and and and weather and and everything, but now since the crops are more resistant, so they're able to even they are able to uh fight off pest they are more resistance to temperature you know they can live in many different temperatures and weathers and and they can live off very little of water and they even grow more food


so yes, of course you it this is how effective farming works it it has to but there are people who say there are there's increased rates in obesity due to a high fructose corn syrup and uh different different aspects of uh the chemicals that they're use


but the fact is if we want to feed people we have no other choice if, we want to harvest more food so that more people can eat this is the only way because if you use organic farming and use organic seeds then is gonna to take


a lot a lot of land, it is something that we don't have, uh, you know we we can't you don't have those resources so we have to make do with what we have and therefore that's why effective farming requires science, because otherwise it if you are gonna if you just gonna to use organic seeds and organic farming then


to feed the same amount of people you gonna be using, uh maybe even triple or or five times the amount of land, uh, and a lot of food is gonna to go to waste, so, I mean there there are studies that say that uh some studies that say the GMO food is actually uh harmful for the body but there's no actual evidence behind it it's more on speculation


so uh, it's it's actually yeah, so we, there there is more uh, GMO have have actually help people in the longer run not actually harm people yes


no the that's not the reason you you are misunderstanding the the the way I phrased it the what what it means is that it it does feed more people but the problem is we we have a population that keeps expanding


you know right now we have about seven billion people closer to eight billion in the next five to ten years that's gonna rise up to twelve billion people, okay so , we are it has that science is actually helping feed more people but the problem is that they have too many people


so it if as it uh it is helping but, in the the the demand is, too high so but if you use organic farming if you use organic farming you could feed even lesser people since they are even more people now


yes it is, yeah I I agree with you but the thing is this genetically modified food don't produce burgers, and coke and and and cookies and sandwiches this you know it produce it produces fruits and vegetables and meat


so if you choose to eat fast food, even if you eat fast food in the bad even if it's made by organic things, uh organic food right it will still be unhealthy for you, if you eat apple last time when you eat apple now it'll be the same it's the same thing


correct ya ya right


ya but but no no one forces you forces anybody to eat fast food that is a choice if you want to eat the apples not yet so it doesn't matter if you want to eat apples and corns and and be live a healthy lifestyle you can do that you can do that


but if you choose to eat fast food even if it was made from organic food, even if it was made from organic wheat and all this it will still be unhealthy for you


if you make the chicken patties with organic chickens right you don't put them you don't put any hormones in them, okay and then you fry the chicken and then you you put all the seasoning on it it is still gonna be unhealthy because of the way you the way you you fast food works that's how fast food is made whether is organic or not


fast food is just unhealthy but if you choose to eat healthy food whether it's organic or not it will still be healthy for you


I don't know I think you out of that,


artificial intelligent should be embrace since it is inevitable okay, so to start off, uh I completely agree with this statement, because uh as modern technology progresses so will uh uh


so uh artificial intelligence is part of that that umbrella, so it will, it will uh increased the the technology that it is so, currently we do have artificial intelligence but not, to the extent that movies or other things will portrayed to be like a you know like the terminator or


or something like that will able to think for itself, so, if you see the when uh currently the the people in the world are actually, we are involved in much much difficult problems so uh things like uh like all the things mentioned for like climate change and uh and uh mathematical problems it it's getting more and more complex as we try to understand the world and the universe more


so to do this humans are limited in terms of mental capacity and reputation, so we can only work for so long and do so much, so when we when we introduce a artificial artificial intelligence okay


they are able to help us solve those complex problems so that we don't need to strain ourselves you know so the more artificial intelligence should be embraced because this is gonna help us understand the world faster and better so if you think right


example like just an example uh for example if you want to map the the amount of uh cells in in inside the a test tube of blood okay, the if a person wants to do it they can actually physically go under the microscope and count the cell


one by one which is the it's gonna take forever because there are millions of cells you know in even in a drop of blood, but if you use artificial intelligence and with programming to help you in the sense that uh is able to detect all these things and calculated by itself it only take a matter of seconds and it'll give you the answer so why why would it


be not good to uh you know uh, introduce artificial intelligence when it's so helpful to us in many many different ways


so currently err, our current state of AI is actually very, uh not intelligent in the sense where it cannot think for itself if if you want to define intelligence as something that is aware and can think for itself uh our current AI cannot do that


so an AI that can do that would be called uh GAI general artificial intelligence where that artificial uh uh where the AI is able to actually feel, and able to create art based not based on programming but is but is but its own taste and uh but its own uh uh


references so we're not that close yet but, so you you you ask the question uh is there any precautionary measures, is issac Asimov actually this uh science fiction novelist who wrote uh about how AI will take over the world in the future and how humans in this book will actually uh they they will code something into the they will give the AI three loss


so the first being they cannot harm many humans, and they cannot do anything that would harm uh anything else and I forgot the last law but so basically these are the the there’re the the law is do not harm humans in any way or any way or shape or form


but, scientists are actually shown that if we were to create AIs, and we try to implement the law, we will not be able to create a complete AI, because it does not have the feeling to think


so it won't be a complete AI, so if we want to create a actual full blown AI we cannot have these laws so there is the potential that it could harm humans that is a very high chance, but the thing is, instead of seeing artificial intelligence as


a new computer or new robot or a new machine why not see as the evolution of humans this is the next step for us because the AI is going to be, uh it's developed by us is created by us so it is us because since we program it it is following whatever is we say


so eventually you will come to a stage where, AI will takeover, ya I mean not anytime soon but yes it it will take over but this is where, you know it becomes where, it is an evolution of the human


it is no more human beings are no more physical they are no more bodies now is all virtual so, I believe that this is the next evolutionary step for human so it should not be taken as a as a bad thing


wait is open debate now or okay


okay just say for one minute faster, okay okay open debate open debate okay just stop a moment okay okay, ya ya you can start first


it it it it could be no that that could be a very possible scenario I mean not not anytime soon maybe in the next hundred or maybe two hundred years there could be very well be happening where now it's no more humans anymore it's more artificial intelligence or maybe even robots so these are the new


next step to human so now already you can see


correct okay I agree with you okay so now if you take this into


okay now you see now a lot of humans who have their arms, the decapitated uh you know like they have to remove their arms or legs due to diabetes or other other illnesses okay they have to wear prosthetic uh limbs


meaning like a artificial artificial arms and artificial legs, so, a when when they do that the mechanics behind it actually uses AI too, to uh mimic the motor movements of the arms okay so now if you you know the term cyborg half man half machine okay so now humans uh are slowly becoming the inbuilt integrating a lot of machine parts into them you know people


ya exactly okay so now so now example I say okay let's say example a person has to remove their arm and put a bionic arm okay now are they still human or machine


okay they're still humans now if I say okay now you cut off all four arms and legs now are they still human are they still machine, they are still human so out at what point at what point does it become that they are not human anymore so now if I say okay now if I say okay you they're blind I remove their eyes and then I put bionic lenses


you know machine lenses they're are able to see are they still human, there will come be there'll there'll be a time where AI would be inbuilt into humans as well


and that is what AI will be, okay so imagine imagine a, imagine a a a whole body


(mmhmm) (mmhmm), okay


I mean it because I seen in a way where if, uh okay there will come be a a time where humans will be mostly machine parts, you know we remove our eyes to have better mechanical eyes to see better and our hands to become stronger you know you put machine parts into them so there will come a time where the only thing that human might be just the brain


everything else might be machine, and, they even further down the line there could be a a a time where we implant chips microchips and use AI to push the brain faster to make it work faster so, if you say that okay at this point is still ya you say that this is still a human right


I mean yes I'm saying in the future because now we don't have the technology to do it but when we do


okay when we do this at what point do we say that, okay this is not a man anymore this is the machine what if ninety percent of the brain is now machine and only ten percent is brain human then is that still a man


of course I I would like to be in charge of course, uh


no I I, okay


okay okay very interesting okay times up okay bye bye bye, shut up shut up


ya so I disagree, that modern technology always improve the quality of people life this is because, due to the modern technology that has come over the years, a lot of jobs has been taken up, especially even simple jobs like part time job cannot even the current local warehouses in singapore now have robots working


to even stepped up to even do the packing jobs so simple tasks like that has been taken up this why a lot of, uh families have been uh suffering financially as well okay because they don't even have a a job to support themselves or to feed on themselves


this is especially uh we can we could have seen this a lot of people have been going jobless even in this crisis situation that we have uh recently faced due to the COVID nineteen, also, this modern technology it can be even harmful to people live in some ways whereby it can affect the health of uh some people will can be dangerous or harmful


so it doesn't always really improve the quality of people live some of uh, most of the simple jobs like this have been already taken up, by modern technology and that's why even part time jobs are not available currently out there in the market


you know it's gonna be really hard for even students to get a simple job experience because of this, because usually part time uh students are the one you know they want to get some job experience so they would go for simple uh jobs like you know packers or you know


uh logistics you know this kind of stuff, or even uh dish washing because now they currently have machine for everything, so, this are really gives the very less uh experience makes uh this students feel less experience when they want to get a job in the future as well it's gonna be very hard for them to get


in a high moderate job because they don't even have a simple experience for you know part time jobs as well, and also currently in the market it is very hard uh difficult to get jobs because it has been competitive since a few years down the road


due to the educational level and their experience level because uh currently, uh whatever we are facing whichever job we have been uh going for, they'll only asking for experience so they don't even bother about educational level


uh at the current rate but, if there're a modern technology is taking over all the jobs then how are we to even gain experience so I believe that modern technology does not always improve the quality of people life


it's true that uh, what you've what you have mentioned about the replacements of uh jobs like from being a horse carriage to a taxi driver or manufacturing a car and all yes but these replacements are very minimal uh


if we see the current development in the technology is a really more of automated systems so this automated systems are actually like even the, uh the servers at the you know if you if you go to Jurong east shopping mall at the top cafeteria you see robots carrying the plates and going away so these are all simple jobs that have been taken up is being automated so when


more jobs are being automated uh it is going to be very difficult, for people to find jobs out there if we're talking about improves the quality of people life maybe in some ways or not, uh it improves the quality whereby it makes things convenient like you said people were travelling uh horse carriage in the past now they're using car so it maybe much faster to travel from one place to another place but because of this there are much more harmful things that are coming up as well


like what about the cost the cost of living the cost of living has been increasing, there are but due to this err, technology as well the cost of living is been increasing, but the uh monthly wage of people is either the same or it has been decreased


and even during this COVID situation people has uh loss of income you know almost about uh forty to fifty percent of uh their salary being cut off you know so and also companies are more companies are retrenching uh their employees


to actually cut their labour cost to save on the labour costs with these use of uh modern technology, so in in this perspective I don't, think that really uh, technology always improve the quality of people's life


also not only that uh it brings more harm, to, the people working the environment as well because we might not know uh some machine that, has been causing harm to uh, some people in factories like physically or you know they can get and what if let's say someone you know really get injured while using the machines or what and


you know their family has to also suffer without any uh financial terms because sometimes in a family like only one or two person will be working to actually feed their whole family, and when coming to talking about the quality of people life whether it is being upgraded or not


technology it doesn't really plays a part I guess because it has been taking off more from the people than giving them


so they are not only going to be you know a programmer for once if they're going to become a programmer they have to work their whole life as programmer and also if you really expect the whole generation to inventor if, everyone is going to invent something efficiently, I mean it doesn't sound


sounds to be uh logical also right


I think that level uh that you are saying now is really been there uh people are expecting with a minimum thing but this one I'm trying to, to uh, say uh this is this is the point that I trying to bring up is that no point that a person has a degree but can't find a job


so, so this this way this way right people are getting more educated but more jobs are going, so in this way, uh in the future I feel that education will also be less important, because, people will people will set their mindset you see people will set their mindset uh that if I'm gonna to study is still not going be use because even educated people are jobless in this current time


uh if let's say people if you want to force if you want to force people to become more highly educated okay how highly must they be educated to even get a job


yes that's right yes that's right so that that is why that is why you see more job are going away the same way we can't determine when people go jobless right you can't determine what is the problem


no lah so if if let's say if technology, being that is, this revolution of technology okay so surely it is not improving the quality of people life


yes I agree with that but of course


ya ya that is true but you see ah how if let's say if there's a a top hundred if let's say there is top hundred if let's say there's a top hundred surely that someone could be at the top one or let's say that from the one to number hundred uh it doesn't mean if let's say if you gonna to live the rest of the people alone with a going jobless and on this is uh


usually we don't we are not only focusing on one batch uh one particular arrays or one particular group of people we are focusing on a nation on the country how to improve the quality of their people in the country, so, when we are focusing on this kind of thing you have to think about major part not only on a certain people we can't live


is effective farming possible without science


I think we can start now actually, okay uh effective farming is possible without science, I agree to this statement because in the past our ancestors have been doing farming without science okay


so this what we call organic farming currently if you see the modernly modern technology and everything uh with science including science to do farming, which has also have a very huge, change the type of food quality we are receiving


that is why I think also another help that is why, another problem is also being cost for humans, okay their effect uh we are all affected by the our health, very easily due the current food type that is process today, uh compared to the farming that is start without the science and technology


because in the past our ancestors all they do is uh, what they do is more on hand work, and they do organic farming in the sense that uh they're whatever they do is is all through uh raw process


they are not using any other equipment or any other special kind of chemical added in, or you know there are so much of uh chemical and you know preservative and then, in the current uh food and preserving you know preserving these day this cannot previously you know if uh farming


you know was possible without science, you know people eat everyone was eating our ancestors you know they did farming and make sure that you know every single family was being fed, so I think that itself is a fact for us then, you know to agree with the statement effective, effective farming is be possible without uh science


another uh, another point another point that I would like to bring up is also, that currently, a lot of uh our food, which are being added with a chemical preservative and you know bring process and even our


our meats our, other type of food are all being frozen which is, actually very unhealthy for us, and we especially in our country, will not be able to get fresh, uh products easily there are one or two, few products there are fresh but not every product are fresh majority eighty percent of the products products are all frozen


let's say even for some food court or anywhere you go, you are getting only frozen food so, these are all added with you know preservative and in, these food of uh, unhealthy stuff and then that is the reason why actually we are getting uh unhealthy even faster the obesity rate recently for our country is also increasing


rapidly due to this uh uh farming with science, it is possible to do farming without science, which is actually a much, healthier way I would say


I would like to agree with what you have said maybe due to our current condition or our current climate, and weather changes that we have been facing, effective uh effective farming, is only possible with science, but you see in the past effective farming has also been done but without science


so I would agree to this statement where it actually if it, uh referring to the past or let's say even our current, even our current generation we can do it, but there has that it is too late or maybe is too much to have the change, like we can't go now and change every single thing why this climate change happen is


because of uh all those uh gas emission and every thing, also the ozone uh layer the hole the ozone layer and everything you know it that's so much of factors affecting this kind of uh, you know uh this kind of, this uh all these points there's so much of factors actually affecting all these points


whereby saying that you know only with science now we can do farming, so, of course I agree like last time if you were to harvest only one you can only feed ten people now if you were to harvest one you can feed maybe three or even five times more, or who know maybe, might even ten times more because technology is also being used in the farming


currently, okay but this what people are getting unhealthy okay and, a, the the life the the life uh, stay of uh humans are also getting lesser it is, healthy so in the past people always use to you know have a live long


and even more healthier, but currently, you know more people getting sick easily and we have high rates of obesity and people are uh higher rate of uh death as well, okay due to this the government also, is uh trying to understand that the government is trying to help with all those healthcare and coming up


more uh precautions, uh for people to have a healthier lifestyle even though we are having all these uh, uh modern technology, and sciences included in the farming but effective, farming with be impossible without science because I'm very sure that even our ancestors in the past they had fed like hundreds of families and everything


we are without, science in their farming without introduce science or any kind of modern technology, like you know the, the genetically modified food as well they only came, the recent yes, that means I'm really sure that previously just, it have been also


people you know millions of people have been actually uh consuming this kind of food, as as well so it, you can't really say like you know no uh only with


use what you mentioned just now taking that uh, doing for example if I were to eat uh something, for it like steak or something that's another person out there is not having enough food to eat okay I totally clear with that but isn't that why this is science was included uh into effective farming so that more people


there's a kid why are there still, people being poor and being unfed in this current generation that means this farming uh this, that that mean right to say that science be being included in farming is not really effective


ya but you see you if if it’s helping, so if you do organic farming okay the I agree that there will be more people will living because you see on that's how you have to mention about you know there's no hard effects about people are getting unhealthy due to the uh organic uh due to the genetically modify food


and on but actually a lot of people are getting all these obesity are all food, to uh, all genetically modified food you have to see for example of fast food restaurants like mcdonald's or KFC you know, their chicken patties and all is all processed


and even if you go and take a look in the kitchen, the only time taken to, fry their patties only can, can to eat or even eat against some, so ya so this this way it's actually very unhealthy for the human body to take it, okay maybe currently our generation might use


I think you just agreed to what I said also because, you said that all these are you know genetic modified food is used to produce all these meat, and you know all this kind of uh vegetables, and you know even wheats wheats that is use to


wheat the bread and everything, so which is actually a deem all the fast food restaurants you will see, because if you see them by ingredient, but but but it's common everywhere


it if you see you see if it uh if it made from organic it will not become fast food, just fast food is not organic food, organic food is has done process, has has some time taken to process to


wouldn't you you tell me okay how to how many percentage what’s a percentage of uh what's the ratio right for percentage of non unhealthy food to healthy food there there is currently


artificial intelligent should be embraced since it is inevitable


okay this is why artificial intelligent should not be really embraced, since it is inevitable whatsoever okay because, artificial intelligence has been you know taking up a lot of uh jobs just like modern technology and uh has been developed in


so it's like uh how to say, more of uh these jobs are being taken up and artificial what if let's say once uh artificial intelligence you know it just like uh, imagine it's just like a baby introduced so it learns much faster and it it is like what you said it is able to solve complex situations that means right humans are not going be intelligent after this


what if artificial intelligent actually take over the human work so it's really could be dangerous uh, to the to, I I would say is dangerous worldwide lah it's gonna be harmful worldwide, because, artificial intelligent doesn't really uh going is not really going to be very helpful in the long term maybe for simple things like that to


to find the wrong or to you know give ideas or you know solutions for point you know certain complex situations will only to a certain power of extent because even, until now uh this artificial intelligence, okay


is only being produced and designed by humans what if let's say one day artificial intelligence was to actually produced by another AI, itself which means everyone have seen, most of us have seen the movie terminator and all so we know how it's going to be working what if let's say


even you know, artificial intelligence are going to be eaten harmful or even uh become machines that, are going to be really uh war, used means used in the war or war zone or whatsoever so because countries are now


most of the countries are also trying to use artificial intelligent to make a weapon for their, uh as, for their own self defense and for their military purposes but you see this what can happen what if, the artificial intelligent that human has been designing have turn against us so here is my concern that you know


that's a reason why I would I would feel like maybe artificial intelligent should, only be designed to, to a certain extent, and not to actually take over the uh human world whereby it's being uh you know the artificial evolution right in the world is


getting actually hire and hire daily because there are more programmers and, designers come out with new invention and new uh, programs fund inside AI, so this AI is uh you know they anytime, uh so know they might just take over us and they


they might cause harm to the surroundings, uh, just like you know what if let's say you are being, half then, is there any other way, that's gonna to be stop is that anything that humans have already designed that going to cause AI to stop harming us


because there's always uh precautionary measures, no matter what uh industry people are in so is there any precautionary measures, uh that is taken by, uh designers or programmers to design something that is uh not harmful to the human life or


is that anything else to stop uh this artificial intelligent, let's say today it, he's turning against the human lives what are we going to do which uh state of level are we going to in, be in and you know face the situation, and also


currently the government has been uh really investing a lot in the military and no matter how much an a machine can do a man training is do the job first before the AI has, or you know machine can take over the man's job, and also if you see uh


an AI can only do a a certain about up to a certain about level, because human is the one that have design the AI okay so, it it's a fact that, you know the human should know, the AI better this way how it works how


how is being programmed, so my question is very straightforward is there any precautionary measures measures right is taken okay for AI to prevent, in harmful, uh for human lives


ya sure I think we can come up with the open debate okay so you were saying about the AI, it's gonna to take over the world and so on so are you going to say that means the next generation of people are gonna to be all the AI's, are walking around ya is open debate


so are you trying to say that next


you were saying about AI is going to the you know take over the uh world and the revolution and all so does that mean that the next generation of uh people going to be walking around are those are fully AI you know and or are do you mean by let's say hundred percent of our population only ten percent will be humans and ninety percent will be AI walking you know


I mean it it surely


but but you see but but you see no matter what you will not be able to stop a human, to actually uh you know increase the population of us, if you get what I mean because humans are we are we are nature we are already in the in a state where you know once uh comes up to a certain period of time


we have to start our own life we have to start our own families and all yeah in this sort of uh way we I don't think AI could probably taking over the, uh revolution or you know they will not be actually taking over the human world because human world will always be in control so


uh and actually AI can only be harmful okay ninety percent I believe that maybe sixty percent to seventy percent of time AI can only be harmful because we, like what you said just now instead of seeing them as human I would say we have to still see them as a machine because no matter how a machine works


okay we can't really, uh you know apply to them as they being human beings because, they are not compatible to what we are able to do like machines they are only able to do a certain point of uh thing


machines are only part of human humans are not being part of machine you get what I mean so no matter what no matter what


they are still human lah


ya but you were you were just now you were taking the point that you know artificial intelligent is going to be next revolution and you know they are going to be so you see humans you see


AI is AI can be introduced into human but AI will not be able to take over the uh population of, human you know and all because AI can be used to on the body okay if let's say like what I like what you say just now you see just now you're asking me if let's say I only move one of my arm


and let's say if let's say I would to put uh you see AI you know uh and then you move it and you know people will still seeing as human not an AI you get what I mean so human who still always be you know at the top not be AI


issued about the you see if you see if science like ya but if I I don't agree with it because you see


in science is a bit being you know, didn't affect that a brain is, you know this this kind of thing is actually very sensitive is not like uh


if if let's say okay if if if let's say if let's say ya if let's say you are running your own company okay let me ask something if you let's say you are running your own company would you like the machine to be a boss or would you like to be a boss


ya exactly why humans are always at the top because they will not want another person to actually take over themselves this is nature this is nature no matter you see AI can only be used to a certain extent AI can only be used to a certain extent whereby okay, you can see one of my arm is gone yes one I can fix it but


but you see that this thing that will not be totally removed or it it's not gonna be totally change the whole body is not going be an AI usually parts of the body so AI should not be embraced don't embrace


part one debate topic one, okay today we're going to talk about restrictions in enjoying the arts in our society


as our current society in singapore we are getting more liberal and we are more exposed to different cultures and, different themes and genres especially in the arts scene uh we are seeing more and more, uh people appreciating arts in all forms and in uh from all ages


however there should also be a limit in terms of the kind of uh art genre that should be brought in and it it should be it should be it should be categorised, according to themes according to genres according to err perhaps the uh the the generation


or the ancient times that has been brought in and also I strongly believe that it should also be uh restricted in terms of age, especially when we talking about talking about the restricted, themes that's coming in there's a lot of nudity and there should be a lot of education like according to the uh the cinema scene


so in a in a theatre scene where we have different category of for example like we have PG, or parental guidance we have NC sixteen that's limited to sixteen and above and we also have the R twenty-one, or even NC eighteen so if in terms of the arts as well we should limit entrance to according to their age


and according to the different different art scenes so and uh, now now we are seeing more interactive art as well that's coming in there are lots of stimulation for children so all these should also be kept on the minimum we don't want


especially as parents uh some parents do not want to to have too much screen time for their children or they want to limit the kind of, brightness those kind of bright lights and and loud music in in in their in this kind of interactive art scene as we can already see in the in our local art museum


a lot of interactive art is already in place for to simulate the children senses and this should be kept to the minimal and also, if we are talking about admission or arts exhibition for special needs children there should be a conducive environment as well


there shouldn't be too much loud noises or too much brightness you know for the special needs children, that might cause them to have a meltdown or or , they might get hyperactivity over stimulated, in in that sense so it there I strongly believe that there should be some form of uh restrictions there should should be some paper there should be should be


discuss in in the parliament where this this kind of restriction this kind of category should come in and we should also limit the kind of, the kind of arts that's coming in as we all know in the western society there's, there are many different type of uh arts form you know and and it's


some are some of them are really too maybe too abstract and err and if we just allow any general public to enter and if there's no guide, there are no parental guidance though so we're not sure you know what kind of education you know err our are we impacting our children as well


so and this is this is my stand that there should be some restriction to to guide the guide the audience guide the general public on what their viewing , and let them have an option on uh where where they can where they can go where they can go through uh to view yes


yes, okay so that's my that's my opening


okay I hear you yeah you mentioned that there should be that it that it should be liberal and you take you said that it might limit creativity and imagination however I differ to agree with you (ppc) so err, because when when I mention the there's restriction doesn't mean that we totally we totally reject


but I'm talking about whether which we we should have some form of guidance we should have some form of categories, so if we are talking about from age for example we do not want to we will don't want children to to young children to be exposed to for example erotic arts


the erotic art scenes example so they it maybe it may not be their maturity is not there for them to to appreciate and to understand, and it could probably open up a different can of worms you know that they might think that this is the norm okay I I should go and try to you with my with my classmate or my brother or sister


in a room at home and see this looks funny it looks fun just like riding a horse I can try it things like that but rather we are talking about having certain form of guidelines to, to to control and to guide them and also make sure that there's education in place, many a times even right now as parents we we are the ones or even educators who and caregivers who bring the children


to to view to the art gallery and or to the the museums to appreciate art, or even to enter the cinema that's all about about guiding about category and, (ppc) then it is really about education that we are emphasising here to let them appreciate how to enjoy the arts in the society based on based on their


their age and their maturity yeah or maybe some people they're I mean they they want to know like, err what am I going in for what is this art about is this something in my that is uh that is against my belief against my my principal my values that kind of thing so at least I


for me if I'm a visitor you know to the to to the arts scene wherever I go or at least I am informed I know what I'm getting myself into I don't want to go in and then be turned off or be, be you know be feeling offended or or having some different as it go and create maybe some controversy


ya but at least there should be proper category and then to know that okay this one alright they've put a restriction it's because of this this this reasons okay so I have a decision I, I know that you know whether I can bring my bring my family along or do I want to go with my friends you know for example if I go on a first date to a art gallery like if I go into and watch something that's offencive you know then


err it can create like maybe awkward uh moment you know with my dates you know and then, it's like uh what's going to happen after that you know so we is it might be awkward and embarrassing or maybe unpleasant ya so, ya it should still you know be some some form of guidance and restrictions not that totally that it it


that is going to be barred and banned in singapore in our society but rather you know we we need to have some guidelines we need to have some some form of uh categories


okay I hear you that you are talking about the there's information there's brochure there's information online you know that they can search you know that, parents in general they are able to decide you know based on the information won't you think that those are already certain guidelines to to tell you to


so that they it keep you informed that based on the categories these are so what is restricted and what's not restricted, it is also a form of uh you know when you categorise and you state for example these are not suitable for children that is a form of restriction


when you put an age limit on the entry that is a form of a restriction that is a form of control, because we we think that certain content is not suitable for the young like what you mentioned you have mentioned my point too


am I right


however we also need to know that there are some there are some irresponsible and immature adults, also known as parents who do not know what is how to discern right and wrong how to discern what's being what is being a good education and


uh not so good education so having the restrictions there is to protect our young protect our society, how bearing in mind we are still building our nation, and our role in singapore the emphasis here is highly on education or on values we are still very much into


into values and into educations that is why for example certain certain err sexual gender is still not fully acknowledged, in our current society because we are here to protect our young we are here to protect the future generation


so when there's some form of restriction when there's when there's there's a proper guideline for example age limit entry we do not just throw it and leave it to the parents, because, some parents may think that and they are also influenced by society that oh I think it's fine I think it's okay they need to know yes parents they have


the autonomy they do have they're empowered to know what kind of education or what what kind of content they want to expose their children to, however in a general public scene it is the responsibility of the of the government


of the of the err the ministry of arts information of the arts to put down their foots and say that, what is right and what is not right for the society and what we can allow and what not we do not allow at home


it what how whatever kind of education whatever kind of movies they want to play on their on their screen behind closed door, that is not the public concern because it's out of out it's out of the general public control it's out of the government control but what we want to control is in the general society


when it's in a public when its doors are open to the publics who who is allowed to enter who is not allowed to enter there should be a proper guideline there should be a rule, so that is my stand on the restriction of the enjoying the arts in our society here


if they are really a developed artist, there shouldn't be much restriction uh imposed on them because they should be already of a mature matured age


for example maybe eighteen eighteen twenty one by the time they enter into tertiary education, where they really finished all their all their compulsory academic subjects, they should be already be at a age where they can they are able to discern and decide on their career path


if you are talking about killing the creativity and the inspiration of the artist I beg to differ on your opinions because, if I am a aspiring artist I can find inspiration anywhere I can find inspiration in in life in nature


even online arts I can find if I can afford it I can always go overseas there are much more art galleries overseas, I can go there and appreciate and then see you know how the how how how are the other artists develop their art how they, how what kind of medium they're using you know the kind of different genre art genre that they have if I could afford it I can go singapore is so small anyway


know if we have to change our if change our art scenes it will take time if they're really interested they can always travel overseas and online content that's what I mean but if you're talking about developing artist, there's always a limit


of how much they can do and they'll and there can also be finding his inspiration from other places if they're if they're genius, you know I'm sure you can easily if they're the they're good enough they can get a scholarship and then be the answer in to either school of the arts or you know they can go


overseas and for other further their education and their hobbies about that


part two debate topic two, today we're talking about assessing the view that reading books is by far the most wondrous pastime


(ppc) the most wondrous of all pastimes, as a child I love reading that was my favourite pastime and uh, my parents are working so I basically have most of the time to myself and uh with my brothers so my since I couldn't go anywhere


on my own so I I found a love in reading, and I love and enjoy reading all that my childhood books like enid blyton err famous five err err, uh even the after that I went out to other novels like mystery novels you know so and through reading I actually


begin to improve on my vocabulary I improve on my grammar and since young I never had, tuition in english and are always have been able to score well in my spelling and in my writing and in my composition


even till now I enjoy reading and writing so I get invited to write articles sometimes by my friends who needs help from me or even to to do some vetting so and, to me when I started reading then you you'll get yourself immersed into a fantasy world and you'll talk you find yourself becoming the main character


sometimes you you wish that oh my life is is so adventurous you know it's so uh you know maybe in a whirlwind romance you know you wish that you are the female character you know and you you became, transported into a a different different world than compared to your current life so


and that's to me that's the the best past time that you can and in the past we could rent books so when we rented books you do not have, uh you do not have to buy expensive books you could you may pay for it for example a rental for example five dollars you'll get back like


four dollars or three dollars back you know when you return the book and then you visit the library it's for free as well so I I get to do that often I visit the library on every every few weeks you know, to to just borrow books in my interest you know or maybe for my school projects that I can do some reference and you know to look up


for some ideas you know to to know what to write on a topic or even recipe books it that if I want to come up with a new a new dish, so and it's it's wonderful because number one I do not know I do not need to bother my parents or my siblings to bug them to play barbie dolls with me for example


I do not need to bug my parents to bring me out to any expensive theme parks or to bring me out shopping or for high tea you know so I, and then then you'll be begging for toys that kind of thing but having a book you can go anywhere even when you're travelling on a train on a bus you know or when you on plane


anywhere you know if you're waiting for a friend you can grab book sit down and read with your coffee or your tea and cookies you know and then you can enjoy the nice afternoon away, so and I find that it's very enjoyable and I do not need to bother anybody you know so and I can start and stop anytime with a bookmark


don't you do that when you were young, and it contributes to to where I am today you know where I still enjoy reading I enjoy writing and when I read an article sometimes it is it's just, you know occupational hazard that you would find fault with !hey! this grammar is wrong this term is wrong you know and


it is spelling is wrong you know so it's it helps and now I'm helping my child as well in his writing and his reading so I'm also trying to inculcate an interest in him, to pick up reading as much as he doesn't like but I still try to try to expose him to different books well in his interest


so and I just this is something that I would really want to pass on to my children because I believe it is a life skill that to be able to read and uh doesn't have to be in in english it could be in , a second language or even a third language uh picking up languages is is is fun because you get to use it


uh with friends who can speak that language or you can even watch movies on or you like for example you like korean dramas you pick up korean you pick up korean and you, through reading that's how and that's how you you also improve on your language you improve on your penmanship


so and, that is the that is the best the best gift that god has given to us to be able to read, so that's my view, that reading books is by far the most wondrous of all pastimes


her recording has stopped, ya so I think we better


ya still running, stop at six forty nine, I submitted already, don't touch anything yeah okay


okay so books when we talk about books I don't think it's just limited to just paperbacks or physical books you mentioned smartphone as well I hear you, you are right everyone almost everyone you know we you have everything on your smartphone and almost everyone in our current society owns a a smartphone even school going children


however books like I mentioned is not just limited to physical books there could be E books as well they're people who bring out tablets like you mentioned they have kindle, and they can they can still access to books and they don't just have one book they have they can download many many many to many many many titles


on their on their on their you know tablet or on their smartphone and you can read it on the go so it is still in touch with reading it's not just, being stimulated and fascinated by pictures and moving moving pictures and sounds and effects like what you mention while it doesn't kill the


err you know to it still has when you evoke your imagination by reading, you form different kind of pictures in your mind that's imagination isn't it so and you can uh it's not just limited to the scene that you watch on a movie


your imagination of the same passage the same chapter the same story might be a different presentation from another person, so it still it's still evoking that imagination in them you know and it's not limited reading a book is never limited


by that piece of the the the books the paper that you hold in your hand it is it's not limited by just the words, it's unlimited if I tell you, I'm holding a stalk of flower


you can imagine it in a different colour or many colours or you can it can come in different petals or it can be a fresh or it can be a dry stalk, it's not limited by that but if I just show you a scene a picture it is limited by what your eyes are seeing


it is limited by how your brain interprets what you see that is the static image already a book is not static, if I tell like I mention if I have a if I am having high tea right now if you read a


the lady visits a visits a a tea parlour and she sits down she pulls up a chair and gently, sits herself down you can already imagine that picture in your mind how the chair is like what the scene is you know in the in in a cafe and


you know how's how she's been greeted by by the the cafe owner you know and she orders a nice coffee she orders some nice pastries and she has, maybe three tiers of pastries being stepped down in front of her as I'm telling you you are ready playing these images in your mind


you are ready imagining and you could you could even immerse yourself and and wish that !wow! I want to be in that environment


but you think it makes the brains lazy to just just be absorbing digest what you watch on the screen


and some people some people I know after they just sit there, you know not moving for a while their eyes are doing fixated on the screen, they doze off then fall asleep because it's their mind is not stimulated, they they find that it is it's not stimulating they're not engaged it's not interactive you know when you


but just some people some people just can't sit still, ya but some people just can't sit still and not doing anything at least I have a book I flip pages even if kindle I have to press a button, I have to prompt the tablet or my app to turn the page or I have to start uh stop you know I still I am still doing something


I'm not just sitting down uh that's ya that is that is a that is a complement action, that's a complement activity not action that's a complement activity to watching a movie to watching watching something on a TV that's on a static screen


it's a complement activity it is not part of reading it's not, I'm saying sal I'm not saying you


yeah maybe they're maybe they are reading the wrong book too, or maybe they're they're oh and then they or maybe they're reading to sleep yeah maybe they're just reading to a bedtime story to help them to sleep it works, well it works for them their objective is I want to read myself to sleep so anyhow that they fell asleep


perhaps some but most of the time people don't


reading a book comes from ancient times as well when they do not our ancestors, our grandparent's generation they do not have access to digital or TV sets at home, so they have to find alternatives and this is something that's been passed down through the generations and it is something like I mentioned it helps with penmanship it helps you to improve your language


so proper, yup well, ya so they still still, yes they need to learn


yes, they could also have somebody they could still have somebody read to them and for example you know, ya but you need to read the subtitles too that's reading


yes you're just guessing from the body language but not really receiving the language


of course because they're picking the wrong book unless they have already learnt the language then they can, they should pick up a book in their language that they can understand if not get get someone who can for example last time in five foot ways they have a man educated men they call it


educated men to read the letter to them from that's being sent from from their their family back town in home their hometown, so that's reading too reading a letter, being read to


no just it's just guessing but it doesn't help you with penmanship, if you want to communicate


yeah we're talking about reading that's the most wondrous of pastime and not talking about watching movies, I think you got it wrong


but when you read a book you don't need you don't need to charge battery you know you can bring it anywhere you can start and stop any time you know, if you have a if you have a smartphone or device gadget if the electricity is out the battery is out that's it that's the end of your activity, game over but if you if a if you have a if you have a book you know it it's not limited by your environment it's not limited by all these you know whether I have uh whether I need battery or not


I can I can read anytime, anywhere even in a in a bathroom or even just in a public noisy places I don't have to be you know to have my earphone plugged in and then, turn on the volume loud in order to hear what's going on and then to keep watching and guessing you know what the person is watching if I can't hear clearly


book I can read and I can I can just skim through and I can I can do speed reading, or I can even jump to the end of the page to find out what's the ending, I can reread again


yeah some people are just too eager to find out what's going to happen and then they read backwards that's that different preference is a different different preference, don't you do that, don't you want to don't you oh what's going on and say I want to find answers uh in my book or even in my in my reference in my in my science book eh what is the tablet what is the what's the book of table or contents


preference mah not enjoy it's up to me what I have a book in my hand up to me how which page I want to start from, it's preference yeah it's preference it's an option


I don't need to wait for the next episode I don't need to wait for all the episodes to be loaded on Netflix in order to watch it


part three debate topic three, today we are talking about assessing the view that pop music today is frivolous let me define and explain to you what's the meaning of frivolous in case you do not understand the word frivolous


okay frivolous in according to wikipedia it's mean unnecessary and ridiculous I agree that the pop music culture today is frivolous let me explain why, the the art meet the pop music scene is getting out of hand and really frivolous and ridiculous and unnecessary a lot of times it's just


gibberish they doesn't make sense you don't even know what the singer is talking about the lyrics are nonsense they do not, tell you anything meaningful when I sty meaningful it has to convey a message it it can be emotions it can be an opinion it can be a story


songs in the past, whether is it whatever language they tell a story for example a love song they could tell how the two of them met how they fall in love, with they're head over heels with one another how they you know they enjoy everyday life together and then


and it it could turn bittersweet it could maybe end up in a you know in death it could end up in a breakup, it it could it could end up you know happy you know it conveys a message and it when you listen to that this kind of music it makes you feel


relatable you can relate to those emotions you can relate to life experiences you understand what the singer is trying to say but the pop music today, they've been telling you I want to die I want to die I want to die that kind or they can tell you that and say that you know that


how how much how they hate each other you know how they how that the girl is you know is is treating him that kind of, that that kind of stories that evoking a lot of hate and a lot of hate speech in the in their lyrics evoking a lot of sadness


you know in in that kind of music it doesn't bring the person joy when when you are listening to the music, and whether without lyrics some music do not seem to make proper sense the techno pop music for example techno pop music played


commonly in retail stores they keep pumping your heart so that you can have this impulse, impulse purchase in that want you ah I want to buy I'm in I'm in a shop I want to buy I want to buy I want to buy I want to spend I want to spend I want to spend, you just keep chanting and the music keep popping and popping in your head it makes your heart skip beat faster and you you just want to spend money and then very quickly you just pick out a few


few pieces of clothing go to fitting room and say and then you know and off you go go to the cashier and then you purchase it, so it's a lot of creating a lot of impulse buy these are not these are not the right values you know actually, but these are what retailers want you to experience because they are attracting you with their pop techno pop music to attract you to come into the shop eh this is this music is


very updated it's very current it attracts the young you know so the kind of audience the kind of , uh customers they want to attract into their shop to make the customers purchase and then spend money to make you split up your split your money


compared to for example you enter into a nice quiet shop you know you take your time to browse you have time to process whether this piece of, this product is suitable for you is something that you really need, it gives you time to really think to be responsible in parting your money in spending wisely


okay so pop music today is really very ridiculous like I mention some of them really doesn't make sense some of them do not have they do not have do not have lyrics, and some of them like they said they there's it's heavy metal it could be satanic you know it could be it could be influencing the young in a negative way


so when when we listen to music it should be something that that is meaningful we know that it's not just that it's not just for fun, but it must be meaningful it have to has a purpose or you may be feeling sad you want to listen to a sad song ah that's fine but after that you know your life


you you move on with life with you know lyrics that make sense that that could teach you teach you stories and values you know on how you you can be positive about life and then you move on you know and then you you learn something out of, your past mistakes you know it and then you you grow you grow in that sense


so that's my view that pop music today is frivolous thank you


well a lot of times pop music it's just to fill the mind to occupy the mind when you are idle so a lot and you mention the young they like fun yes because , they they probably do not know better time how better use of their time you know they just they are just very maybe they are feeling very frustrated with life you know going through puberty


going through studies then the pressure from their family so they just want to fill their mind with something else that takes their mind away from other things, but does this help to solve the problem no it doesn't, once the music stop lives goes back to normal you are back to reality does it stop does it does pop music solve your problem no


it just fills your mind and occupy your mind occupy your time during that times to take your mind away, to to to not stop thinking about your problems, for the youngsters that's the pop music is mainly created for the young


for people who who wants to have fun but however even fun has to be meaningful as well, not just to fill their mind you know the fast music the fast beat cause at end whether the lyrics makes sense to them or not they don't even cared if they care there would have


been more discretionary in their choice of songs in their choice of time as well listening to music is not a waste of time but if you have the right choice, of do you listening to the right kind of music whether religious non religious whether is it a different genre the kind of music is


it it still it can be meaningful as well but if it's just for example techno pop music they just pom pom pom pom pom, it is doesn't it it doesn't create any any purpose meaningful purpose, other than just killing time and feeling taking their mind away from the problems it does it is not it's not de-stressing as well it doesn't help them to de-stress


it just help them to temporary take their mind away or make them do something impulsive make them eat some of the music may even evoke more more of their rebellious nature you know, so to do something that's can be impulsive as well you know and to me that is that is not meaningful


they could they could choose a better song they could make better use of their time rather than listening to pop music that's frivolous


okay so I hear you that you mentioned that you know it there's positive content as well well but again you know whether is it necessary or not you know because it is, there are there are also different different ways to communicate to the youth to people who who needs to receive that kind of message


ya and music is just one of the ways, so it's not it could it's not a need for them to listen to the music whether to take to to whether is it to occupy their mind or to keep their, to to drive a message across it is not a need it's not the only option it's not the only way it's not the only tool to communicate the same message


it's just preference it's not a need it's not necessary so that's my stand in summary


how do you measure the effectiveness if we are if if other options are not explored


I think it's uh it all stems down to education as well in this in the current society, to it


so you are you are bending towards agreeing with me that you know that you know it is it's frivolous you know because there are other since there are other options and there are other other other ways you know to communicate the same message


we don't really necessary have to use pop music there other ways to communicate it all boils down also to about education and they the culture that we're exposing our young to, we do not unnecessarily have to be just base on pop music to to to bring across that message or to to create that kind of culture


if you are saying that it takes time it takes time then maybe can design a poster ah the with the with the right slogan it's even faster within one minute you get the message


why do I need to listen to the whole song for three to five minutes to to to get the same message, to feel united and it's through a poster or through a message or advertisement uh tele ad is enough


part one debate topic one


okay I think what you have mentioned is not really related to like restrictions of enjoying the art of course there's this those


basic restrictions like the age limit what are the content for the children or for the adult is or applied to everything not just art, so I think whether we have should we have restrictions to enjoy arts in our society will be I don't agree with it as because


art is all about creativity if we are we've we are putting too much boundary and restriction, then where is the art creativity come from it is killing the creativity so I think


basic restrictions that's always applied in our in our society and then how we enjoy the art in our society in it should not be too much restrictions or like, people people are getting difficult if


you have too much restrictions or boundaries for people to access to the art, so I think we do not need to to have restrictions besides the basic rulings that we have in the country


I think that is quite enough, for what we what we need in a society now


okay as my, as my as I mentioned before there's a lot of rules and regulations are actually in place currently in singapore, for for different art even like


like movie you will see that there's PG thirteen or you know NC sixteen all these are , what is all these are applied to protect the younger so in fact there are actually a lot of restrictions in singapore for the kids like like


what you mentioned you need to know what is the art is about what is the exhibition is about but if you ever visit all the art galleries, there is a lot of brochures there's a lot of explanation of the exhibition before you actually needs to go in


and then even for nowadays it's so easy to look for informations online, we all I mean if you are worried about, bringing our children or worried about looking at what you are going to see you can always do a search online before you visit the the art gallery


and then you can understand you can even read up I think they will actually tell you who is the author who is the person who created the art what is the history of it what is the story behind all these you can read , online or even the brochures when you when you before you go into the exhibition there's always a lot of information provided


at the art galleries so I think those are I think our society actually providing us a lot of information, I don't think I think we are all matured enough to


do our own research and then to to understand to have our own stand whether it is suitable for yourself or not, or rather we don't really need a restrictions for everything here like you know


we are really like adult that there is already some restrictions on , what are the age that you can visit certain exhibition or, art like movie so even like in singapore actually they will tell you it before you go to the art even you go to the exhibition right


there's a lot of people around they actually allocate quite a lot of number of people to actually , help you with what you are going to see, so some they'll recommend you if when you go into the art gallery you can actually talk to the person there you can ask them I'm here for


with my children what are the things that is suitable for us and you know they are very very helpful, they will actually tell you what you can do and they can even suggest your route in the art gallery so there are a lot of things that a lot of help are provided


a lot of information already provided there so, I don't think that we need the restriction to really restrict on we what we can do what we cannot do , to actually like


help us in this, I think as parents we have the right to decide what should we expose to our kids and then with the help of information they provided I think it's very very good now in our society now


yeah so it's it's actually it how you enjoy the art but if you you don't need to go into it if you don't think that it's suitable for you right because it's restrictions to enjoying the arts in your society, if you think that is not what you want to see you don't go in right you don't need restriction to tell you you do not come in because you don't like this you don't need you have your own you can


you can uh you can have your own judgement you know that this is not something that you will like you know that this is not something that you enjoy you know that this is not suitable for your children, you don't go in you don't go and see and then and then say that why why is that and why is there why isn't there any restrictions correct


I mean we are all adults here


but as we said it is to enjoy the art, if you don't enjoy the thing why do you want to go in right, like uh it's not like, I'm forcing it right in front of your face, but in the first place here is talking about to enjoying your art in society


it's very personal I mean it's like if you don't enjoy something doing you you don't you don't do it right, why do you need restrictions like for me to tell you, are you going to enjoy this art or not if you are going if you if people who can appreciate art


they can see the creativity behind, if is so much restrictions everything cannot be done here so we are actually killing all the artists in singapore that because they have no room to grow, right like because art is all about creativity if you are going to


work with something that's all restricted in a box, you cannot think out of the box because you're not allowed to then what what is there to do art, you you are killing the creativity of the young you're killing it at err creativity of the artists so they will not do anything else


because they cannot do anything, out of the box like, whatever if if I'm just doing something that's restricted by the company uh by by the society, then I'm just doing a project I'm not doing art right so it when I


if I'm allowed to have the creativity in doing my art why not by the people that who likes my art, uh do not have the restrictions behind that how they can reach how they can enjoy the art that I create


so why is that needed the restrictions behind to kill all the creativity


ya inspiration you can get everywhere it's not about it doesn't restriction doesn't apply to have restrictions


part two debate topic two


I don't like to read books I don't agree with that I will prefer to watch a movie I think in the movie you can actually


uh you can feel that you can have the all the sound the effects you know nowadays it's so, if you have uh ever visit the filming studio you can see that how amazing it is like how they create all the effects and then


you can


so from there I just continue right, okay I think nowadays the movies are very amazing they can create anything


it's much better than reading a book that then and then you imagine it yourself if you ever like I mean since young I enjoyed watching a lot of movies , movies like back to the future you know it's so amazing I mean it actually brings you to different time


in life in stage like is is it helps you to it it you really can imagine yourself there with, all of the setup with all the props like how the car how they going to transport you to another another's time you know it's so it is so interesting that


it actually gives you all the sound effect and then sometimes they also have computer graphics , but when you're reading a book you cannot do any of this you can only imagine if if, I don't know maybe my my imagination is not that creative I don't like I don't like to read the book myself


it just doesn't give me the feeling like what I can get from a movie and then, now saying that it's it's the pastime it's so easy to access to like a smartphone


even tablets you know people always bring out a tablets or a smart phone with them you can have access to movies and videos so easily, you really don't need a book whatever you can find in a smartbook uh smartphone you can whatever you can find in a book you can find in a smartphone and much more


every time when you bring one book out you only have one book okay when you are finish you still have only have that one book , but if you bring a smartphone you can have so many different you know you can do so many different things that are like, we we've we've finished one movie you can have another movie you can have a drama


it's I don't need a book to pass my time I think I can easily do a lot with just a smartphone so I don't think we need to read a book


that's my point


no, listening to what you say actually makes me very tired


I have to imagine everything why don't I just it watch a movie right like, why do I have to think about what what she eat why do I have to think about what she served why why do I have to think about what she's sitting was she's wearing what is the environment


I can just watch a movie the movie tells me everything, I don't enjoy imagining what other people is doing I don't enjoy thinking about others people's life I I I prefer


to have all the sound system you know I I I'm a very I'm not a person that who likes just words I'm a person who likes , to hear stories to hear to have the sound you know to have the motion


I don't like to just read words words, it's just, you can say whatever you want like you can say okay it gives you it makes you imagine imagining it makes me so it's making me so tired I don't enjoy it


so why should I read the book, I don't enjoy this type of pastime that is making my brain so tired, like, no I don't just absorb when I watch


then choose the correct movie you don't choose a boring movie right you want to watch a movie you don't watch something that you're going to sleep right


you can eat popcorn, people always eat popcorn with movies


I would never fall asleep, no it depends on it depends on how how how, how fast you read I think, uh some people they may also fall asleep before they can flip to next page


before they need any action they may also ready already snoring you never know it's the same thing what, ya so is is it doesn't mean that it it it doesn't prompt active


so some people they want to watch a movie to sleep as well, I do know people that who likes to watch harry potter every time he watch harry potter he will sleep, so it is it's not just about book or movie it applies everywhere


but I just don't agree that it's the most wondrous pastime as reading book because you can get so much more from a movie


no but I don't think a lot of people can read from the ancient time, a lot of them they they enjoy watching puppet show I think but you don't cannot read from last time like you know a lot of you need to learn, the language you need to learn to the the words before you can even read why


why, and then you cannot read other languages because you don't understand but if you watch a movie you can, after uh watching for a while you can actually understand what they are saying, no you can you can actually understand from their actions you know what they are doing


but I can't even guess anything from a book if I cannot understand the language I can't even just guess from anything, you know it just paper and and a word I cannot even guess so if I hold a book today is korean I get I just like


okay I know nothing from here that's it but if I watch a movie I can still guess something from their action, exactly


exactly that is not like you know it doesn't help if I don't understand the the the language, but if you are watching a movie you can still watch it without knowing the language because you can guess we can you can actually interact like, you can understand from all the actions you know


the the the intonation of the words they say they are saying you can guess what is going on you can guess the story, why do I need penmanship, it's pastime I don't want I don't I don't need to think too much about pastime right if I want to learn about penmanship I sit down and learn and practise


I don't do it during my pastime pastime is something for me to enjoy something for me to feel relaxed, it's not the time that I want to learn something new, so I don't need to learn penmanship during my pastime


and I'm not going to write like how the books are printed so what is there to learn about for penmanship


ya so I don't agree with it it's not the pastime that I think it is it is good, like I say I'm telling you when I read book I feel it's tiring, to guess everything and you know to to to imagine


I also do need to worry about a lot of things


but I don't enjoy it


so what is the point of reading if you're going to the to the to the ending, so this is not the most wondrous thing what they just want to pass time


no, no, then what's the point of having a book to read the book if you just want to find out what's the the the ending


then it's not wondrous anymore what it just like I just want to know the ending, so I don't enjoy I don't prefer to have a book with me


okay so I just stop and submit right


part three debate topic three


I think music it just music, you okay you mentioned that some music are actually rubbish some music are actually gives the wrong values, it really well depends on what kind of music you are choosing, I mean it's not just pop music other music there is also


rubbish contents you know like okay for pop music at least it's it's actually one of the most meaningful forms of expression in the american culture, if you know they are so they are actually in the american culture they're very into music and then especially the young I think they are very into pop music


okay there are different songs that actually helps to bring the, unites across listener across race and class divides okay, songs like rappers delight rock around the clock


ya all this if you go and listen to it it actually helps to bring people together, it's not just about giving rubbish content or values so like we'll visit earlier like the movie although like, you know art or book it's really depends on very personal on the things that on your choice


the things that you choose the the music that you want to choose to listen to okay there are a lot of, I mean in every category of things there are good and bad content so it depends on which kind of content do you go after


if you are if you if you are always going for the negative content then it's your problem right it's not the music's problem it's you know pop music is just pop music it it, also helps to unite people you know music it has been along for so has been around for so many decades like you know since the ancient time people are creating music and then


it just, makes people it it just help to group people together even like people that you don't know when you know some there are some songs that you know in, in general and then you can actually like come together and dance or sing you don't need to really know the person before you sing a song with him


you know when you're out you know people are having party with the song you know pop music actually gives the vibes give the , it's just feel energetic when you are having a party or when you are having a event, rather than you know some music are just so slow that is not suitable for the event so it's just


pop music it's just like goes with the event so it depends on what what kind of , environment you are in what kind of energy that you want to create and then you choose different type of songs of course you don't


you don't put pop music during a funeral or you don't put pop music during a very serious like a graduation things like that, but pop music is just pop music you why do you need to like think about how bad the content is there's always good and bad contents in different music I think


okay even like , there are so many music that there's so many songs pop music songs that actually provides good values okay , their songs actually helps to shifting the social standard regarding sex also there are also


it helps for generation of feminist for social changes there's a lot of things that, helps the society from the pop music because it can , unite the young the younger one and then they actually


they are they they they feel, this they the the young ones are just easier to accept pop music rather than you know country, that's that's just what I feel like, uh there is always something for somebody you know you can always choose a different content of the song that you want not the negative ones


it's just what are you thinking, it's not like it's not like all pop musics are bad okay it really depends on the content, so if you can choose the type of music you can also choose the type of content you don't need to it's not like


you are just given this kind of songs and then you can only listen to all this you don't need to listen to music to take away your problem, you know you just need to I mean when people listen to music they just want to enjoy some


time to themselves you know it just occupy you yes but it doesn't help I don't think anybody will want to, listen to a music and then to help to take away the the the their problems okay so pop music is just a kind of music


it's just it doesn't, it doesn't always come with bad content okay it also helps to, in fact it actually it helps to like , it's easier for the for the young to express themselves with a music that they they can relate to


if you ask the younger generation teenagers to tell you about the country music or the you know I don't think they can feel any relevance to it I mean they don't feel, related to it but pop music a lot of times the contents are very related to their daily life


that is they they can they can actually feel their own life in pop music, like I mentioned it's it's actually a form of, it's a most meaningful form of expression in the american culture


so (ppc) people actually express themselves with pop music as well (ppc) it doesn't means that , all the contents are bad so people like the flamboyant performers like lady gaga he


she actually she actually helped gay youth feel more comfortable in their own skin and then you also like I mean whether the value behind it does it, match to what you are having but it actually helps it helps the youth to feel more comfortable


(ppc) in general it actually helps like even different race, they actually bring different races together the listen different race of listener even class divides it doesn't matter if you are rich or if you're poor


you can still listen to pop music you can still make friends through music right like you don't need , you don't need to be say that okay you are the rich you only listen to classical music I'm poor I can only listen to pop music


no it actually unites everybody together as long as you like the music, and then the content, like I said all kind of music have different kind of content it really depends on what you are


listening to, like how we choose our friends there are also definite there are also different kind of people it's all how we , choose it how we ourselves have to understand what we can


what are our choices there are so many different content so many choices around that we can use it we can choose, you don't need to go for the the rubbish content ones and you don't need to focus on the negative ones there are a lot of positive pop music around


ya it's not the only way but how effective were these there are a lot of way to do communication but how effective it is is another thing, okay, we cannot but


you cannot but when you when you it's just something that so easy to bring people together why do you need to explore something that you don't know whether it works or not


yeah I mean there's a lot of contents everywhere even movie or even music or even books, there are so many different things that is available in the market and then we need to really choose our own content where we


mean it is really uh we need to choose own content even books there are there are a lot of funny books around you know


like I said if you you need if you're you're there's this way that is so easy to bring people together why do you need to do some other things and to figure out and do don't know whether it will work or not, okay and then pop music is is already there people already feel so united by it they can just it's you don't need to say a word but you just play a music you can actually bring people together


it's so easy then why do you need to do other things like uh something uh maybe in a party you need to do think of hundred and one ice breaker games you know, and then go by all the rules you know you just play a pop music people actually get together they will dance they will sing they will start to chit-chat