geared towards social equality it's the exact, door it's at the stage where we should try to uh bring in policies or should or should we be working from uh the lower levels sorry the foundational level, if we equalise the playing field from the foundational level whereby students from poorer backgrounds are able to do just as well then as well we wouldn't actually have to you know concern this argument that students uh with


uh from backgrounds with better resources would be able to score better, hence so that that is one uh area of contention, addtionally I, I believe that schools should be for academics only that's where students go to get education


so in terms of, in terms of leadership in terms of other talents certainly there is a time and place for that, but it's not it's not where school uh it's not what the school is for the school is to equip students with the general education uh with the knowledge uh and basic it serve with whatever uh the students will need to enter pre-university or university


so in my view schools should be focused primarily on academic preparation and hence considerations, uh of uh leadership or other talents while valid should probably factor elsewhere, this could factor this could factor into perhaps as a


at the pre-university level or at the university level they, it could come in the form of internships it could come in the form of a additional programs but but it's a in terms of uh in terms of the primary, objective of a school which would be to prepares students for examinations


now this this objective should not be blurred, ya so or shou past time back to ernest


(ppc), okay so as long in terms of uh,


uh uh I I would have to disagree uh it's a well first of all it's a issue of fairness can I mean when while you're concerning issues of fairness in terms of uh students from, less advantaged backgrounds and therefore not having the academic abilities to enter uh enter certain schools what we then have to concern it's uh the


it's uh fairness merit or the meritocratic system, whereby places are assigned based on how how well one does, like so if we if we open the floodgates and allow for subjective and non-academic factors then we are allowing a lot of ambiguity we are allowing lots of potential loopholes and biases


to actually ah come to a forefront right and of course the worst side is that it's uh as has been seen in some schools in singapore uh especially some top schools there are students who are recruited primarily as a mercenary right, there's a yup just because they're good at a particular sport right so the schools actually just used them for whatever abilities they have and then


but they are actually not able to, to follow the pace within that scope I think this is uh well known in some uh rather famous institutions in singapore whereby some of the classes are made up entirely of students who are, who are recruited just to bolster the school's sports rankings and to help the school to win medals and critical sports competitions but when it come


when it comes time for uh for them is uh to hit examinations most of them are woefully underprepared firstly because they were already significantly weaker than the rest of the cohort, academically speaking and secondly because they spent so much of their time as to helping the school in


in terms of fighting for medals or fighting for competitions, so (ppc) so this actually result uh leads to, somewhat academic underclass of students within these particular schools who are basically utilised for these very short term purposes


which which makes this uh, which makes this practice of recruiting students will have a subjective and non-academic factors uh actually it's a what rather utilitarian at best and at worst it leave it often leave them in the lurch after the school is done with them


and so also in in general I think that's a this policy even if we do uh here we do see some positive in its intention the application the practical application of it is that uh mostly the students are made use of by the school


rather than uh rather than actually driving some significant benefit from as a mutual partnership


oh ya I am a guest ya just waiting for my turn don't worry and so and so in in terms of the DSA it's a earlier one of uh your, concerns was that disadvantaged students would uh be further disadvantage if there weren't a DSA but I'll actually posit that the opposite is true right the DSA has in fact actually reinforce many of the structural advantages that the


that the students from social uh from stronger social-economic backgrounds already possess, as you've mentioned just now alright in terms of the DSA uh a lot of it is about how you present yourself how your pitch yourself right in terms of showmanship in terms of interview skills but these are


these are the skills that the majority of students from poorer social-economic backgrounds will not have had a chance to hone whereas, whereas students from uh from stronger socioeconomic backgrounds they have had uh wide exposure to many different ah types of courses they may have at public speaking courses they may have a interview prep classes


which are which are widely available, and for many of them they, uh they are better able to apply for DSA, largely because is uh they have uh they've had had access to many enrichment courses throughout their throughout their childhood whereas most other students would


simply itself be struggling to get by, so in fact the DSA program actually uh simply reinforces the pathways for the more privileged to to further it's a get a leg up into getting into into these good schools


, in terms of uh whether secondary or pre-university is actually the right time uh for, these skills to be practised in terms of uh interview skills this this one is uh this one is quite debatable while it's certainly a good thing for uh for students to start young


this is something uh where there is very unequal access and generally only at university level are students really expected to demonstrate these skills, right so when we pushed this requirement further down uh down a few levels then we're actually basically you know asking for skills that will not be taught within the confines of a usual secondary school so where are the students suppose or expected to learn acquire these skills


so as a result what is going to happen is that the students who have access to resources will be able to train themselves will be able to acquire additional help or to seek external help in the form of coaching, and this is indeed very common right whereby they can get access to the enrichment classes


which focus on public speaking on interview skills on himself on drama on self-expression so on so forth, so this these students who are already in the privileged upper class will continue to do better and, and uh even worse they will dominate the the DSA application pathways which is which is basically a uh which will basically pervert the original intention


(hmm), (ppc) okay that's all, while it's not the case that you can only be found uh externally it something that is going to be


it is it's going to be very unlikely for most students from our neighbourhood school to access to such resources because in uh in a typical public school right teachers are already packed they already have very tight schedules they have lots of things to do right so in terms of helping a student uh with a (ppc) with a DSA application


right in a in a typical neighbourhood school, not only the teachers have less experience because less of the students are able to apply unable to get through to DSA but they they are simply more overwhelmed because in terms of the amount of resources that the school has


and the amount of resources that uh that the students will need to take from each teacher or will be demanding of each teacher alright the, the entire system is quite disadvantages to uh to the, the schools which are not so well staffed or not so well resourced


in general was that for, the DSA program eh ah, it has , it has has ideal it has mind in the right place but in terms of its uh practical application, uh I would say that is a it does give a very serious leg up to students from advantaged backgrounds who are able to seek uh seek help basically it's that if you are from a top school and you have seniors you have a teachers who are all very familiar with the process


who are who are able to have a very firm grasp of what the interviewers and the basically the admissions committee would like to see, right that basically gives that basically is a is a type of cyclical or a structural advantage that just simply reinforces the reinforces the benefits of the of privilege


so as long I I guess this time I'll probably concluded around here, ya okay so uh can you all just press stop on your appen app


can give me thumbs up, kay one two three clap


(ppc) okay uh, okay ernest is the okay thank thank you for your points what's up while dialects are


well dialects are something that uh dialects are part of a culture worth preserving uh I would argue that they have no place being taught as a mother tongue language kind as a uh, because also they are simply not economically viable


they are not meant to be used in business on politics on governance there are not meant to have a place in uh mainstream society uh in fact the, the creation of mandarin chinese itself right the language of mandarin chinese itself is testament to this fact


right the history the history of uh mandarin chinese ha as uh as I'm sure uh many many people will already know uh as a just a quick refresher uh itself when uh when china was unified uh it's a can't remember which dynasty , there's a the work there came a need to basically unify people from all different uh different provinces


but for there to be a common language for us to for the for people to do business in for for the entire people to communicate, and that's why mandarin chinese was developed, and the simplified uh the simplified version which everyone could speak


so also dialects themselves they serve as a maybe it's a cultural hotbed but in terms of, in terms of practical value right they simply do not serve the function of being a language within society because if we uh if we allow basically the the different provinces or the different uh subgroups of uh of chinese to split into


the different dialects that would be way too many dialects to be managed it's from, and so from china alone they are already fifty-six tribes, right so and so and in singapore at the very least there's five major dialect groups, so and so allowing it uh chinese dialects to be taught as a mother tongue language would


uh quite likely erode the focus on mandarin which uh will is leads me to my second point right in terms of mandarin is already uh many many singaporean chinese students are already struggling with mandarin as it is alright so also


getting them to study dialects would in fact be even harder, moreover there aren't even any trained, teachers who, already exists for the chinese dialects so that would be it'll be way too difficult to to set up from scratch


right so, so also my two points there is uh in summary uh that, firstly it's uh it's not worthwhile because it's not worthwhile to even set up chinese dialects as a , as as a language that is taught in school


because of there's no there's simply not much to gain from it and uh even if we wanted to it'll be too difficult because there's uh there's no teachers who are trained in terms of in terms of teaching dialects and it would further erode the ability of students to speak mandarin


ah (ppc) uh so , I have run a serious doubt that the that the (ppc) elderly elderly who are fluent in dialect, uh they are actually able in any form to to conduct teaching in a classroom setting I think as you have considered many of them are indeed rather old right so although it does seem there's a this is a this is phenomenon that is going to pass by us rather soon but most of the younger generation


itself do not in fact speak dialects at all, so it would it would simply be more efficient for for just the changing of the generations to basically let dialects be phased out naturally alright since uh well we do not actually have any resource any syllabus in place any curriculum in place any trained teachers in place


to actually uh teach dialect as a mother tongue language right in terms of, in terms of uh preserving dialects, as a as a cultural as a cultural endeavour uh or as uh as part of maybe some type of uh in terms of some


uh for example if uh in terms of grants by the government for maybe the the singapore teochew society or the hakka society right and then is uh, and then allowing (ppc), and then allowing these dialects to still be taught in uh some small way at a community centre that that will see more reasonable and of a scale that is more manageable whereas is the attempting to bring this in as a mother tongue language it that is a


it's it's in terms of a scale it's far too ambitious and far too aggressive , so although I mean ultimately I I'll need to reinforce right the earlier point but that's the the whole point of having uh mandarin chinese right is the is the idea of unity the idea of simplicity such as uh everyone can be on the same page


(ppc) so this is a point now I think uh cannot be underscored, you know because uh is uh if if everyone is speaking in different dialects it would go back to basic being like the chaotic of middle china alright back when is the the different provinces will not be able to understand each other


(ppc) uh so (ppc) so ultimately I guess uh that's where the disagreement lies as a result it's a, I mean although uh in terms of dialects they deserve to have their own place but that place uh that that sign that I I have I do concede is uh and there was never really the uh the bulk of my disagreements and bulk of my disagreement is where the place should be the place should not be at the forefront alright as a mother tongue language


like so although if if uh people or if students or if uh whoever really wants to learn a dialects right is all power to, then my but it should not be done in the formal setting in school whereas it should not replace mandarin chinese as the mother tongue


we should not be allowed to replace mandarin chinese as a mother tongue because as I uh as I mentioned is the mandarin chinese is required for for business for communication right for politics and is and basically is the the position that holds is of too much importance for it to be


(uh huh) for it for it to be replaced by just any dialects so dialects they can take a they can take a lesser seat at the table but right they can be learnt at the in the household they can be learnt at the community centre they can be learnt at uh the particular uh the teochew or cantonese association right


that is perfectly fine and people are should be allowed to speak dialects, of course I'm not pushing for the eradication of dialects but what I'm pushing uh what I'm pushing, for is for mandarin chinese to uh to remain as the as the primary mother tongue language uh offered and and rather as the only mother tongue language offered to uh singaporean chinese students


okay ya (ppc), ah but you see is the the bite-size or the teaser was supposed to come through their interactions with the their older relatives with is the uh basically the grandparents or, their uncles and aunties who do speak the dialect right it's uh the teaser shouldn't be coming from school because if that is the case that would already presupposed that is the the dialect has already uh died out within one's family


(ppc) ya so I I think teaser is the the, uh schools needing to be the ones to introduce dialects to students simply shouldn't be the case because if that's the case, it means that that particular family has already uh erase all vestiges of its uh of its dialect


and and moreover uh earlier you're pointing out that uh in terms of community centres they are seen as a not so, uh not so popular choices, or they are more for the the more for the elderly, while while this is true there's a


I I do I do believe that uh dialects are not going to feature very prominently in terms of uh most students life most students will not actually have a very active desire to, to seek out the learning of a dialects anyway so if uh if you if for example youth centres were to offer it


uh I think that would that would that would that would uh that would be that would be fine that would be a good solution but I honestly doubts the take-up rate would be very high in the, now even if we were to offer it at a youth centre or we were to offer it at example scape


but I mean uh ultimately ah I would I will have to disagree I think the the home is the best place to learn a dialect right because in terms of, in terms of uh relatives in terms of parents in terms of kin that's where it's going to be easiest to pick a child's interest right because they are the very people you should be communicating with on a daily basis right that's where you'll learn the most basic communication and get the most basic points across


so uh so instead of actually it's uh pushing the responsibility to schools right to preserve to preserve the chinese dialects I believe that it should be done at home, right because of the in terms of difficult vocabulary and earlier you mentioned that is uh (ppc) when some of adults talk among themselves right certainly when adults talk among themselves is uh they will normally speak faster they may use more difficult difficult vocabulary


but when they're trying to own born a child when they are trying to teach a child I mean it makes more sense that they would try to they'll they'll use scaffolding that they will gradually build up the child's skills and they will gradually uh immerse the child at the dialects and teach the child all the basic words the basic vernacular of the dialect


which which then allows them to immerse uh immerse themselves into that dialect okay ya that's it


okay is the okay uh thank you ernest is the I guess uh as you've mentioned is the it is more effective or it is uh uh basic knowledge tends to stick better, if the if there's some practical application , !huh! however is uh I think is uh there needs to be uh more focused on the idea of uh the classroom but there's a reason why is the classroom learning itself became the the go-to standard but that's because it's the pretty much the only practical standard


(ppc) I know it's it's simply not practical to conduct learning, anywhere outside of the classroom right as long as any uh maybe primary school teacher or secondary school teacher will be able to tell you right it's uh whenever there is a field trip right it's uh it's a nightmare for the for the teacher because they have so many things to handle


they have to worry about the children's safety they have to worry about consent form about risks about children running around right it's uh in fact, most of those uh most of those trips are, are actually more of uh relaxation for the children and nightmare for the teacher and it is often debatable how much actual learning goes on


so in terms of a structured classroom setting, that's a that's going to be on point a structure classroom setting is actually in fact the the best place to learn, because it uh it formalises the procedure uh it forces the students to pay attention forces the students to have uh that type of uh mentality to have that type of mindset whereby the very geared very focused towards learning


so it's uh they will know, basically when they're all sitting in a classroom at and uh looking at the whiteboard they all of them know what they are there for but some of them might not pay attention uh but generally no one is under uh any illusions as to what their task is


so in terms of uh in terms of a structured classroom setting it is simply the uh the most efficient form and it's actually the and and building upon that it's actually the only way uh in which a teacher can handle a large class size (ppc) right when there's a


for example during those field trips that I mentioned is uh incredibly difficult whereas in a classroom the children are confined alright so there's no actual way for them to escape or for them to cause trouble, so as long as uh in terms of,


in terms of a classroom setting, it's uh given the given the limited resources the limited teaching resources that is uh I'm sure it's uh pretty much every country will have to contend with right we simply, uh able to basically do the finished model


whereby we have like one teacher to ten student for example like so uh, in singapore where we're lucky to have just one teacher to thirty-five students right learning has to be conducted within the classroom otherwise there will be no discipline there will be chaos


and that could uh even be possibly uh danger of uh the danger of the children is uh are running free or is uh getting lost or basically is uh, or being is uh unsupervised in whatever they are doing, kay uh back to ernest


okay I have to wholeheartedly disagree with that (ppc) idea of angle I think it's uh for for children and especially it's uh for young children I don't think any of them are really ready or I mean it's uh at, at seven or eight years old right so if you have to get them into an accountancy firm to do audits or to or basically uh to uh accompany their parents it's unlikely that any of them would really be able to digest or really understand what is they are doing right uh so for most for most children and even teenagers they would


as uh for most of them is uh their eventual jobs will not be uh anything, there is uh they enjoy or anything that they uh could have foreseen when they themselves were much younger so I I don't think it's it's very important for young children to be really able to see that end goal


but young children should just be in the in in the formative stage they should just be uh just be just be focused on skills building they should just be focused on acquiring the right, the right knowledge base uh a general education base right basically it's the that that's why in primary school we have basically it's the uh languages mathematics basic sciences right to equip them with the basic knowledge which to function as a as a human in society and and and uh to equip them with the basic knowledge


which to acquire more knowledge to absorb more advance or higher levels of knowledge in the future so uh so for, (ppc) so for children uh for children at at the very least is uh up until sixteen I would say is uh they their focus should be indeed uh just be building up their fundamentals and not really on having an eye on any type of end goal uh ya at all right it's uh uh okay and then moving on I'll like to attribute one of my own points my


own points is that it's uh the twenty-first-century classroom I think it's uh we uh I think many of us is uh we we grow up right in the in the nineties right so we are still thinking maybe it's uh basically chalk and, chalk and blackboard type of or at the very most transparencies in terms of the classroom uh but in terms of


the the twenty-first-century classroom in terms of pedagogy and in terms of uh teaching methods in terms of uh, in terms of the the knowledge that is our teachers have today or in terms of how how to the set of classroom the types of activities the type of uh learning environment that the teachers can create but certainly that has evolved greatly over the past twenty and thirty years


right the twenty-first-century classroom is no longer the same rigid as a blackboard and teachers as a usually with a large wooden ruler and uh smacking whoever is not paying attention (ppc), right so the twenty-first-century classroom has evolved significantly and is far more conducive and effective than it once was right uh so especially with our men is uh in singapore as uh there's a lot of uh smart technology that's integrated right it's uh in terms of in terms of uh in terms of smart phone applications in terms of


in terms of software that have been designed to basically teach our particular uh particular courses or to teach particular uh sub, topics which may be which may be better served by being more interactive but there have been many steps in this direction


so uh so in terms of the twenty-first-century, classroom it does offer uh the traditional structured format whereby the children are still mostly disciplined they are mostly kept in a safe place and are kept to a very structured uh curriculum yet it's uh


they are also given the advantages of more interactivity and being able to see the, the tangible benefits of application and basically is uh having just a more interesting and and interactive activities than than what we are used to uh remember you are used to


where we would think of uh the traditional classroom, kay uh back to you ernest


I'm going okay I guess will have to just uh fundamentally disagree in terms of uh , (ppc) for some of the some of points right uh so for children I think it's uh most children simply is not feasible for them to, actually have uh any type of career goal at at a very young age right because it's uh uh most children it's uh when the at very young age they have too little knowledge of the world they have no understanding of the actual of the real world


right and most of their dreams may be either very fanciful like oh I want to be a superhero right I want to be iron man, right that's actually something that's far likelier to be the case then oh ya I want to be I want to be an audit partner I want to be with the I want to be a computer I want to be a a a data analyst right I mean is uh none of the primary school students will actually give you those answers even though many of them


as they as they mature and as they grow older they would eventually find themselves heading in such directions, so uh so in terms of uh why learning is uh (ppc) is best done inside a classroom I've already ah I've uh I've uh given uh some about of my thoughts right uh so in terms of


in in terms of uh structuring in terms of structured learning right it's actually the uh the best way for for teacher and for education system to actually is uh deliver a educational curriculum right in terms of uh in terms of uh


the the concerns you have mentioned right those are all concerns that can be met and can be solved within the classroom setting right so for example if you feel that it's not interactive enough alright then, what the teachers then have to do what the curriculum then has to do is to try to


add uh more interesting and interactive activities within classroom learning and uh basically it's uh it it still has to be structured right because structure is basically how we build upon the knowledge base of the young minds right so if we're


for pretty much almost any of the of the criticisms or the or the desires that we have for the education system now I believe that almost all of them would solidly fall under they can be implemented into the classroom but it just depends on how we're going to do it


right and basically is uh and uh whether or not we will be able to effectively do it within uh within a short period of time uh given current knowledge given current technology


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okay I think we can just end right is uh ya ha ya


from one out of four


oh ya so I mean topics on uh whether schools should consider subjective and non-academic factors for admission uh ya personally I feel that, they should because not everything can actually be displayed through academia so like we we looked at like CCA and stuff that actually goes to show like you know


like leadership social skills whether they are team player or not it it pretty much helps them become or a formed all-rounded individual which are things that are not accessed and uh omitted if you just look at academic factors, so there's also, other stuff as well like uh in terms of


in fact there's actually a correlation like between, like social-economic status and you know admission to a good school which also, backs the question is there like you know because of a resource thing like you know uh uh uh be are like so-called richer over their families, having access to you know


better tuition, in terms of like you know, their way on invest their on-hand resources like time and cash into into generating better technique resource of their kids so, in in that sense, it's actually playing into the the whole system of how the rich can get better educated and


by default they would actually be, you know so-called a priority when they admitted to to a good school, while for like the not so well to do families they they actually, were were were not be able to follow it because they don't have the resources on hand to actually


we using academia as a as a as a means to, to to to actually get into, so I'll say uh, currently these are my two points which I would like to to put forward, maybe uh, ya it's the opposition time


okay ya sure so as as you are bringing up the same like schools are primarily meant for academia and ya we should we probably should like you know look at, there should be like so-called like link to how people admitted and stuff, but for me I feel that school itself already prepare you for academia so


you know the prelude to that shouldn't be so academic centric because like, if you are going to be taught something in school what's the point of learning way beforehand so that it can be used as a means to get to the school when, you know that sort of destroys the the playing field, I mean the playfield is not noble level because


what what what what could be considered nowadays is that the maybe the that that attitude of of people or like the kids going to schools like are they are like uh keen in learning, do they strive for like other values and this actually help them guide and nurture them to like you know


sort of like uh a well-functioning adult in society so like given these like characteristics of the you know these characteristics should be valued first before they are actually you know brought into school because, at that point they will be taught the academia they need anyway so


instead of considering the academia beforehand, they should be considering other stuff so that in the school itself, that's where you know they can actually learn all these things rather than, learning beforehand just to to get into school then it's like, what does the school valued at or prepared them for if they already learnt it beforehand you see


ya, uh some of you can play it back to feel it, oh sure sure, ya it's a way ya back to <P2>felix</P2> on the


I mean no doubt, when, the the sports the sports thing you are talking about does I mean does ring a bell it is it does happen in schools but what we are actually I feel that one thing that's like


support the benefit to that is actually at least they're given a so-called equal learning opportunity so even though their entry, may not be based on academic they might quota the good school but within the school itself they do have that own self-correcting mechanism whereby they split students according to you know


so-called they will once again, put out in terms of like you know which is the better classes which are the not so good classes so basically these these students who excel in a particular area which is not uh academic , they still are able to given so-called the equal portion significant, the school and then because they are sorted by level


they won't exactly be lag behind because I'm sure in the in the school curriculum or in the in the system when when they sort out the weaker classes and the better classes that's how they you know also decide how allocates uh so-called resources to be allocated in terms of the the pace for the school curriculum to go


for for the different you know for weaker and stronger classes so , in a sense yes they may come in, on weak in an academic but through the process they may actually you know be given the right, uh attention the they put into the right scope and


that's actually where they are actually given the equal opportunity to excel rather than you know, if they couldn't even get into the school begin with then, they may not have this opportunity here, ya so


sorry chief still need to, put more points here, okay so maybe maybe we just we've been funnelling a bit maybe let's talk a little bit more about the, like how you know there's this


direct school admission system whereby that actually let students so-called indirect entry to secondary schools and JC, so pretty much it's actually a DSA like interview system lah whereby, they actually want kids to pick up interview skills


uh showmanship you know general a bit of marketability for themselves , so I mean a huge part of huge part of life is about, so-called selling yourself so-called interview skills gaining entry to


like, the next phase of your life namely building up your career so, these kind of things are, also pretty, important in the sense that, when they are being considered at the before academic level


during the academic, so-called during schools itself these are not really being actively taught you see, so it's like putting the skill sets into the in the people who can display is more important than you know just, as a norm just you know giving across the board


so I don't feel that, you know things taught outside a school should be considered first , so that when things in school are taught to them then there's so-called a positive synergy they can actually make use of the information that has been you know given to them rather than


you know, the schools having to focus on outside of curriculum stuff, ya so maybe philips you have something to to to talk on hand ya


ya thanks for your your your points philips ya so the way you mentioned it it seems like uh it's a very resource based way of how you know people, so-called get better interview skills and compete in the DSA realm , but the way I see is that sometimes the playingfield is actually also quite level so like you you brought up drama if drama you know it's like a CC and stuff this is like a voluntary basis so for for them to have the means to practice and to to develop these skills which they can further utilise later on for DSA firstly is the resource isn't all that


hidden away, since you know you can actually opt to go for, you know like toastmasters or like or try drama things that can, so-called generate the the ability for for people to actually have showmanship or market themselves


and the other thing is that for the for the DSA actually schools are bringing in, so-called like the , teachers to to actually share about interview skills and everything so, in in that sense the the playingfield can be quite level because of course when we talk about you know tuition private tuition this is all done on a very private basis but


ignoring the the you know that sector whether are are people won't getting you know so-called, uh, like you know resources that are not, you know like it's a even playing field sort of thing so


how do I put this ya, so like I said as as as as long as they're bringing in teachers actually it's not exactly a resource that just shoved away and is only taught in private tuition now they actually can get it accessible in in schools already so , in in in that sense they they have the chance to actually develop this this area which they can later ample to to carry them forward into admissions in in the later


so-called, tertiary like to the chain education whether is it for secondary school or or the tertiary level you see so to me I don't and I and I didn't feel that this this resource is strictly on a private tuition or can only be quire acquire outside of schools


ya, ya so maybe back to yo philips


they are mine it's like twenty o seven so I I press stop now is it


ah ya okay so the debate topic is


chinese dialect being offered as a mother tongue language, ya I mean, in our day survival nowadays we I do see with that, chinese itself may or may not cut it because like the older generation still tend to converse in dialect so in our daily affairs even if you know we we we go


to a hawker centre we we want buy something, sometimes the the products we want to procure the food we want is the stores are, all actually the owners are actually all in, speaking dialect so


it it makes us you know at the reflect and think through like, is is chinese you know, sufficient enough like maybe we should be taking on you know offering dialect as a as a mother tongue such that, people has in so-called communication in their daily lives whereby a huge part of singapore itself with all the you know like


like teochew hakka you know hokkien cantonese is all still pretty much striving it's it's not a place whereby everyone has so-called like so-called been unified under just the chinese language, and


given this whole you know people want to cling to their heritage and tradition , I would say that dialect is not something that is going to so-called fade away anytime soon but yet the same time people don't really achieve very high mastery in it because


it is not taught in schools you see it's only taught at home at a very very is I would to say elementary levels like, purely conversational like you know when your when your grandparents are still living with you but, would post that we we don't actually get to use it as we don't actually get to practice it as much even though it's still being widely used outside


so in a in a if it if given a chance for it to be actually you know taught in a curriculum, we would so-called, preserve this uh, and also make it such that people are still able to to so-called embrace, ah their heritage


ya, so moving on maybe uh let fix uh, a post , , ,


ya so on the point on maybe on your first point the part about not being uh economy viable I will actually have to disagree on that cause I feel that a lot of, so-called ties are forged when people can relate a very personal level so like if you are a if you are doing business if if you can converse with the businessman in their dialect group it's always viewed as very advantages uh same way for looking at overseas business if you are talking to let's say uh uh


a hongkonger you'll probably want to be speaking in cantonese that helps you relate pretty fast, of course then if you are if you are talking to someone who's from taiwan then suddenly hokkien is like uh the chosen dialect group which can so-called so-called forged the the personal ties and the relationship building in the


the more efficient way, then of course going back to your your second pointer about we're not having the right infrastructure I would say that within society uh we do have people who are are strong in dialect but they tend to be the older generation so in singapore's setting where where whereby we lack focus on bringing it back


you know the the so-called the older folks and need them still be able to contribute that back to society I mean that's how government came up with you know workfare income supplement is is meant to bring back, the older group as a working force you see cause in singapore we already do have an ageing population and also to help our to help older citizens to get uh


uh so-called feel of significance they are still they are still like you know so-called functional and, contribution to society so this is actually so-called a resource that is , not exactly being utilised but, could you know serve to


so-called, get yourself out of uh, social inefficiencies ah because you can actually bring back this this working class and be in in that sense we do have the infrastructure for it it's just that it is uh untapped


ya so uh maybe back to you felix, ,


ya I mean uh of course when we you know talk about trade-off in a continuum in terms of like, you know unity homogeneous versus like you're having your own identity, now people still choose to have their people who actually rather choose differentiate and says they still have their own like identity


so in our society we I mean it's not it's not uncommon to see like cliques been form right, if you can converse in in a certain dialect group , oh okay ya ya, so if you can converse in a certain dialect group that can in in a very social social setting it it it sort of helps you


so-called like you said lah once again build the relationship build ties and, , sometimes that is, although not very economy viable but, that is uh how , people do climb the corporate ladder sometimes


and in in in a in a in a school setting that's where the so-called social skills actually come in as well so, if is if is totally downplay if is not being, you know, encourage nonetheless people will still pick it up on their own because


as I mentioned you says he's more he's mainly being uh propagated , at home at a at a less than elementary level so , regardless it's a phenomenon that you know you cannot just, think to support wipe out you know removed dialect totally unified the chinese


ya they'll be still it drips and drabs of it being taught around so, if there isn't a is if if there isn't a main channel for people to learn it from formerly, , so-called these people will be missing out on certain opportunities lah in life whereby like I said


cliques relationships forged using dialect is uh helps people really on a very personal level lah which you know you just cannot, get it if everyone's like homogeneous speaking the same language people still want their identities


ya so , I mean like you mentioned shouldn't be uh probably not formal you know curriculum taught in schools but after you said that people are given the so-called, ensure only be tied on community centres but, often the case like


is if people given a choice voluntarily they may not want to you know take it up and usually with for committee centres it uh it seems like we don't have the the younger crowd actually going there it's usually dominated by the older generation so, in terms of yes if it's offered there will will people be you know geared towards taking it it could just be a illusion of choice you see but if it's put in the formal setting


so-called everybody is given uh a decent enough exposure to it, whether they want to you know from there adopt it into part of their daily lives is once again so-called empowerment they are actually given the choice to actually decide, but if it's not even offered in in schools there's no it's as if not even taught like entry earlier elementary level or like a entry-level sort of thing then


they then they never had that you know that that bite-size of pieces for them to don't want to, go to uh a hakka society or club or community centre to actually pursue it further even you see, ya so back to you felix


like ya I can feel like you you brought up the home setting like if if they're going to pick it up they will pick it up then otherwise it'd be eradicated but the thing is that, in a in a home setting the family setting the mastery of the adults speaking dialect is is, it's obviously uh not on the entry-level uh really leads beyond what


uh maybe, you know a kid could try be trying to pick up, so often the case you you have you have that setting whereby at at like social and family gatherings, uh the adults just converse in in dialect and, whatever the kids can pick up they they tried to but it's usually never (ppc) at the proficiency of of like you know a back and forth communications maybe like they can pick up like certain keywords like maybe that is like food or that's like you know


drinks you know but they they never actually formally learn like they cannot hold a conversation maybe beyond like like four lines you see so , what I'm trying to say is that uh within schools maybe a formal curriculum in terms of bite-size could be just, entry level to see if you can like so-called pique their interest


and in terms of whether they want to adopt it further it's really so-called left up to them you see rather than a case whereby they keep having so-called uh they can they can actually view it like being being being used, but they can like never had the chance to partake in it cause there was never the the right resources made available for them in to even to even start


you see, and on the on the youth centre thing ah, I mean once again uh, if things are kept voluntary then uh the take up rate, is usually low by by nature , uh so, once again uh you you you may not have everybody funnelling there but if if it was once given as a teaser then the the the people who are truly keen are the ones actually heading to


the the youth centre to actually you know develop it further


prompt three out of four part three debate topic three, okay so ya this topic is learning is best outside the classroom


so this is a pretty heated topic , maybe I'll just start off with our school curriculum so like, I mean within schools we do like plan excursions all that we we try to take learning, outside the classroom ready


when, we have chemistry we have labs we have hands-on, when we, so-called have biology there's there's often trips outside like school so-called have their own like gardens and stuff, so it already starts off from


from the uh basic model we can see that not everything can be taught within school to begin with, and to to achieve higher mastery certain in certain topics there is a need for that so-called hands-on experience


which can only be so-called broker outside the classroom where we so-called you know called that as , a bridge to like higher order learning you see rather than just, you know on a very elementary level, so but that's just strictly defining to like so-called like academia you know curriculum


and then again, if it's just within the confines of a classroom it gets very you know repetitive and, it's it's no longer about a so-called a deep understanding or deep learning it's more of you know memorisation to to so-called score in a certain


area it's about being, it it's somehow funnels people to being like maybe book smart or like exam smart, whereby you know the noise will be discarded after, but if they're outside the classroom there's that application aspect that makes them


you know really really apply it really learn it and, it, with when it comes to application there's a it's just a better chance of it staying with the person rather than you know it being just pure theoretical, so, uh ya we wait for felix to to to build on these points


oh ya thanks for your pointers ya I do I mean I I do have to agree that the the whole disciplinary thing is is a challenge given like the the lack of resources but if we keep thinking, of uh in a very structure way keep thinking of the confines of the classroom it's like a safety net and everything, but when we start using confines of classroom basically we also confining the knowledge that can be shared or the the things that will be challenged or asked or raised up you see but in a in a outside setting whereby


so-called, they are they are taking more more more so-called , how to put it they are they are so-called, challenge in a in a different way they'll start to they are taking in more, uh resources around them so naturally they'll be asking


very very more different questions and that's where so-called true learning really comes from within whereby it's no longer just a curriculum it's actually the the true curiosity to thinks around you, so when when we when we talk about classroom , we talk about confinement it it it all becomes a very


you know structured learning, whereby people may not, you know if you if you it it once again comes back to the point of it it may not pique their interest they may not want to even go into these areas you see but if they actually see the applications in in the real world outside that's that could be the the


where the the curiosity is so-called you know once again pique and people actually want to go into a certain area even even more so like, if you are talking about, excursion so-called museum visits, maybe not so widely adopted, you know after talking about let's say uh a work setting whereby people are allowed to you know like you know go


with their parents to work or something and they actually sit in and they see the career choices that are so-called lay down in front of them, then, its so-called encourages the learning for them to even want to head in that particular direction you see as compared to if, let's say accountancy was just taught in in classrooms but we don't really know the the real-world application for it we don't really know what it can possibly lead to or the opportunities it may it may actually bring you see


so uh, and as dry as as learning is within the classroom that the that that creates the, that even that I would say that might even stifle the the the whole learning process you see cause people where where people don't know the end goal it's just it's just hard to get started you know


maybe back to the the point on the end goal first before I talk about the twenty-first-century classroom, so, you see like when when when we're when we're whether is it okay I mean this shouldn't just be compared to primary school or like you know secondary school and stuff but when we're young that time we we all do have aspirations we do have dreams like we'll always think like maybe my dream job or dreaming career is like to be a fireman or the spaceman you see but often time when when when they're young when they're young


and we do grow up we don't actually, in our view those dream positions as the things we want anymore you see, so it's actually it's actually quite important to to to start to know when you know reality and fiction should you know really start to, reconcile ah


so in other words it if if they are exposed to the the so-called the, proper so-called more realistic, job positions at a at a younger age whether I mean whether is it at the primary level that's you know I could that that could be arguable but at if they're at the you know if they are


older and they're exposed to it they start to connect reality to, you know to their jobs at the earlier stage so basically they will actually, so-called funnel into the the the jobs that they truly really desire but not aspire because of the glamour they see like you know in a fireman fighting you know fire and stuff they actually start to see where in terms of when when they actually see the end goal in mind they actually start to actively pick up on the applicable skillsets for it


and okay now so the twenty-first-century classroom ya I do I do agree that there, with the old integrated system and stuff there is a certain ease of learning there is a certainty degree, of comfort but often a time when people are uncomfortable that's where so-called true growth comes in


so, in in a setting whereby everything is given to students a'ah yes resources is there ease of learning is there but, this whole you know it it it creates a if it's still a if it's still comfortable the, it becomes like uh you know like sort of procrastination sort of thing like you know I can always leave it to later and this this resource is just widely available but if it's something that uh like challenge themselves and go out together then


it will stick with them better definitely and, ya, and basically the whole point of of of high order learning is uh so-called challenging yourself and you know learning from so-called real real, real situations which once again as as real as


integration may be it is still integrated after all so the the the true challenge already lies in being able to go out there and learn something that's really beyond, you know the curriculum because as long as you're talking about a curriculum whether it's integrated or not it's, it's still pretty dead set in the fact that it's still a curriculum you see it it it cannot


no way can it encompasses you know a a wider scope that you know, might would actually be so-called, valuable or functional in in in helping people towards real life applications, so ya maybe back to you felix


so ya so, I mean as you're mentioning you know curriculum and stuff classroom iou know open resources but then again some some some kind of development comes from within you know so like if we, talk about let's say you know like, uh math you know science ya maybe those those without because those are you know based on you know repetition


uh a bit of practice, but if you're talking about let's say in the in the arts or like you know or liberal arts way whereby when we talk about all this we we can't really foster creativity because the whole the whole idea for curriculum it's like it's a fixed scope , a million these you means to repeat you know copy paste but when we talk about personal development in terms of


creativity then, it is once again very hard to be taught within the the class of course where's the where's the inspiration going to come from am I going to inspire by showing a a a successful model in terms of let's say a a good painting and then they're just going to repeat that uh maybe I mean maybe like


like like painting techniques can be taught you see but in terms of the the the creativity the inspiration the, the motivation to actually want to to do something original and of your own , the the idea of a curriculum is pretty much you stick to it you follow it and you know you try to emulate it rather than one whereby


you know you try you strive to you know learn something on your own and, instead of recreating stuff you actually creating something of your own you see so, maybe for like when we talk about like science and math yes , these are things within you know it can be taught at a at a at a quite the elementary level within a classroom setting but


uh when we talk about when we start to go beyond the the the actualisation paths then it it starts to get a lot more stifled as we as we progress down of course for for for different, so-called areas of studies , the the the the degree of that affecting it is also


you know on a different scale , but if we by by by you know by you know just just from the joy and extension from the arts then you can see that there are learning that has to be acquired within and outside of a curriculum you see, so uh maybe have few years to close up so you can adjust this


ah okay


debate topic one


okay advertisements are defined as publications on online and conventional media in an attempt to persuade the audience to take or continue some actions, in an increasingly globalised world of today the borders between countries have


and communications and cross border trade and information transfer have taken a quantum leap, with the establishments of the worldwide web and rapid properly proliferations of social media to establish itself as a crucial part of our life we find companies and firms exfoliating such a platform to further their own cause


while armies face off with guns and bullets company locked horns in the stiff competitions to sell the product or service through the use of, advertisement, there are critics who claims that advertisement rarely affect consumer choice however I strongly believe that


advertisement play a crucial role in influencing our decisions and ultimately our attitudes towards certain cause and how we react to situations


so , company take advertisement as an opportunity to convince consumers of the advantage of their products, usually backed with professional opinions and research result in an attempt to sway the decisions of the consumers, these could also be done in the way of promoting a new trend especially in the fashion industry which can lead to a rapid and sudden shift in what is determined as trendy


so , that's the reason why I strongly agree that, advertisements is not on the entertaining it usually affect the consumer choice


let me give you some examples like why am I saying that advertisement do actually affect consumer choice, uh one of the example will be from coco chanel coco chanel once remarked women's knees are the ugliest part of a human's body let me restate humans knees women's knee sorry women's knee are the ugliest part of a human's body


this simple fashion statements form the basis of chanel product and marketing strategy, leading to a wave of new fashion trend, skirts that just cover the knees and trousers, became the trendy and popular among the the woman's


thus, we cannot understate the influence that advertisement can have on the consumers, second, similarly uh this same change is observed when iphone was being unveiled to the world, a phone an ipod


an internet communicator, all in one, apple has always be at the forefront of employing revolutionaries and impactful advertisement, that are no doubt engaging and powerful, following the unveiling of uh unveiling of iphone it advertisements flooded the internet and lead to humongous crowd of people they go and queue to their


or get their hands on the exclusive device on its first days of sales we all know that, so from then on it's not only changed consumer choice it also alter the trajectory of entire industry leading the widespread of productions of


smart device that has, have developed to what we have in our hands today like Samsung like Xiaomi all that, , so in this in this case, iphone is a trend in communications industry without iphone existence humans can continue to use their normal phones for callings and communicating they might just no need an iphone which can be used to surf internet and watching drama


but due to a very strong advertisement being advertised everywhere on TV on billboard on signboard it actually affect consumers decisions, and showing that and showing of showing affect their mind thinking that this is something they need


but not their want hence, it is all evidence that, the, advertisements has actually a crucial role to play in influencing and defining what the consumers desire, effective marketing by companies like apple and chanel have no doubt made a trend setting effect no doubt changing consumer choice


but in this case why are you choosing samsung or iphone instead of nokia because of the advertisement being advertised today telling you that you need of, phone more than of you you are currently needing a phone more than just a phone you need something that can surf internet you need something which can be watched which can use uh to watch drama if not you are remaining using


all those traditional phone that we were using like ten to twenty years back and, uh other than that let me re-phrase against uh say , according to your saying that uh consumers are rarely affect by the advertisement reason being is because they are actually uh do not finish their


the advertisement before uh they are actually walking away from the advertisement and the advertisement cannot actually send through uh the actual, uh actual things that wanted to send to them, okay I'll say that uh


usually consumers they're forced to finish advertisements before the drama can continue so from there on the awareness is actually being created to them, like what you say they might just walk away and ignored advertisement if it's like uh only but in this case it will only happen if it's like this advertisement only being advertised to them for only once


but to what we know like uh what I say company they actually spend a lot of on marketing so uh it won't be just like advertise advertisement being showed to them for only once it will actually being showed to them for many many, so as long as advertisement able to be showed to one or two the consumers for only once be it on a TV or on billboard or everywhere you actually being able


to create the awareness, consumers and change their buying habits, and second thing is that advertisement, do some like what you say it do sometimes entertaining consumers, but, that's how they get the attention of people and from there using some elements to attract attentions and create awareness to the targeted audience


if advertisement will not mean to affect consumer choice, that will make them redundant, if advertisement did not affect consumer behaviours, company will not spend like a millions, to producing them am I right at the very least you actually create the awareness of a product and at their most effective that can influence the customer buying habits


and that's why study actually shows that US companies spend seventy billion per year just for advertising only seventy billion a year and yet US company would not invest seventy billion in something that thought it didn't works


company usually expect advertising to produce return just like any other investment that we do, am I right


okay , to my opinions everyone's are curious so when one new advertisement come to you you usually finish it for the first time and again when advertisement come out you'd actually appeared in front of you for more than one time


let's say twenty to thirty times out of out of one weeks of watching drama so, as long as there's one time appeared fully in front of consumer you'd actually affect consumers choice as long, the content inside is something that they're interested in and then


to the point that you say that consumers usually do know that do actually know that what they want and that provide the consumer do usually do know what they want and what brand they're into it usually provided that, uh they are being uh informed what is good about the products


and these are actually why advertisements being showed and create awareness to them, what do actually affect, consumer initial decisions, instill the awareness being created from the advertisement you won't know how to make a decisions on what to buy until you know what is good about the products and what's the benefits about the products and


and, the extra function being created or I said like a new version of a product being created these are all come from the new advertisement being created every single day just to create awareness, so that , people knows this new version of product is here and they can actually change or sway their decisions to buy a new one because they know that eh this is something better for me


and second on advertisement come in a mass like what I say come in a mass it come from the same product but different branding, so a good advertisement actually teach consumer like what is actually better for them from there consumer are being exposed to more choices


and from there a better decisions will be made, so , I would say that we cannot deny that some advertisement uh they're entertaining, uh but there are still those which leave a very lasting impressions and and and are extremely attention grabbing how advertisement are able to grab our attentions and make us interested that they're able to influence us greatly in our choice


thus, thus it is without doubt that, although it may be contentious contentious that whether advertisement are entertaining as many aren't but, their effects and influence on consumer choice and purchasing behavior is actually undeniable


debate topic two, , so debate topic two a picture is always more powerful than mere words


what's your view so in this age of multimedia and highly speed internet, we are bombard with by image more than ever before, with the advance of the digital camera and even camera phones anyone can be shutter box anywhere anytime


the bulk of the internet today is largely over visual excitements such as blogs and facebook page bursting with photograph and the video sharing website, youtube rather than a brilliance of, text, you appear that the old saying


a picture paint a thousand words, is more strongly accepted than ever in the twenty first century however it is my view that a picture is certainly not always more powerful than words


the powers of words remains keenly felt in the world today and is often, much more potent than any other pictures or even moving pictures such as such as, film in many cases hence


a picture is certainly not always more powerful than words, even in a world of overcrowded by pictures and video many of the world most popular products today remain takes tax base, uh let


let's think about the best selling novel like the harry potter series which have sold more than four hundred million copies and been translated into sixty three languages or personal improvement books such as the jack's Welch winnings, which has sold more than two million copy


one would be hard pressed to think of any photo compilations that have sold more than a million copy, so to be sure films are very marketable and attract billions of viewers but it should be noted that films contain


words, as well as pictures, films owe their impact to book few people today's would watch a silent movie, and so that's the reason why I strongly agree that a picture, is not always more powerful than merely words word is always more powerful than a pictures


okay, you have any other points to mention before I continue


okay and and in this case we are actually uh saying that pictures uh whether pictures or words they're they're are more powerful is actually nothing regarded to the cost actually involved or the time being spent it's just that whether words or pictures


uh which one is more powerful I'll say that, word, speak more powerful than a picture or I should say some time pictures and words they must co exist, word is more powerful than a picture sometimes while in certain circumstances


word, and pictures they must co exist to bring out a better idea one of the example that , one of the good example actually uh bring out what it's actually true in this statement is the one that you give just now like advertisement you'll need the picture but


at the same time, you will need words to actually express, what is being showed in the picture if not the consumers won't know what is actually happening and what you're trying to bring out what are those idea that you are trying to bring out to the consumers


and second , I would say words and pictures they complement each others in their purpose because uh one such purpose is that they can be used as learning tools, for educational purpose


, for example flow charts and diagram with annotations and captions in textbooks or reference books can facilitate learning in terms of understanding


with just mere word, some process may be too complicated yes but, with just a picture, is not sufficient to allow the process to be understood, so uh this shows how informations can be better represented by pictures and and words at the same time


to help explanations become clearer, hence, words and picture must come together to create a very powerful impact young children's they also start their learning process from a mini pictures cards am I right and these pictures card


usually consists of a pictures and the words below this help them to recognise both the pictures and the word and allow them to associate that, words, to the picture this show how both words and pictures are equally powerful in that they complement each other and can be used to educate kids more effectively


thus, a picture is not more powerful than merely words, because, they must coexist to be powerful for educational purpose, uh, according to like what you say like what you mention


picture is more powerful because picture is universal , but, some words they are universal too, language does not matter, the idea or the story in these words are known to many if not everyone in the world


in this case picture are not always more powerful than words, for instance like uh the best selling like what I said just now the best selling novels like harry potter series they had sold more than four hundred billion copy and been translated to sixty three languages


but, only pictures books it actually, I don't think there's any example real life example that show that you'll be able to sell a few million copy, for a merely pictures book


what do you think


but, don't you think that picture sometimes tend to actually limit the, limit in depth I mean in depth of what they can express, these usually leads to a pictures romanticizing or scenario without going into depth


specifics of the idea, like for example , painting of the storming of the bastille is seems to show that the french revolution's was a sudden , in fact the french revolution the french revolution was a brutal drawn out affair with infighting that lead to reprisal killing against different factions of the revolution


such, superficiality of pictures means that they may actually evoked, less emotions from people compared to words, which are able to go into depth, describing a scenario events or idea, other than that


words could actually bring out more actions, also words could actually bring out uh can appeal to emotions in fact there have been many times where words move people to feel, to fight, where great words have influence people sufficiently enough for them to be translated into action


in this case I give you example for the martin kings luther, I have a dream speech, he say I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in the nations


where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their, character, and his dream in the end he did come through and in no small part due to the power of his words


there was no picture that could have resonated in the hearts and minds of americans and champion the cause of racial equality as resoundingly and powerfully as his words as shown in this example, words are just as powerful as picture in affecting people's emotions and actions


therefore pictures are not always more powerful than words, few in any pictures have possess the power to inspired or incite millions of people into actions in such momentum ways to change the course of the history


no I do not agree because I would say that, , pictures actually limit limits to what a human say I would say in another words picture actually limit the creativity of the children's because when you are told that the pictures is in white


then the picture uh the the rabbit picture in the phone uh in the picture itself is actually in white then uh the kids will usually stick with okay rabbits n white, words, in different way it actually create pictures of your own why do I said so


words carry with ideas and your thought and it encourage you to create a picture of your own making, but not someone else, picture do give us idea yes, but it's only limited to the picture itself it don't help to create a picture of your own


for example in marketing you want to create a picture in your customer mind that you are actually help them to solve their problem and, and, in another way what they want then they will see in the advertisement imagine what would happen if you simply put a very nice picture in your advertisement without using any words is without using any words in this case the consumer would have no idea what message you intend to get across


it's better to use powerful and persuasive word in the advertisement to rely the information that's why words are always more powerful than pictures


your example is somehow agreeing with me saying that pictures and words they must co exist instead of pictures more powerful than words, am I right


okay


okay merely mere words right can be can be more powerful than picture, it is able to influence people greatly, why am, I say so is because one example is religious book, there some, seldom contain any pictures I mean religious book they seldom contain any pictures


yet those words are able to, affect how want things act and live their life, from the impact you have on the live of live of the people we can clearly say that words are more powerful than pictures, secondly


from merely words we can get inspired you can get inspired, and motivated and this is hardly can be obtained just from pictures, like for example, , we can see that people can get inspired by mister obama speech or even adam khoo


in singapore but will not see , people being affected or getting them from just the mere pictures of portraits of mister obama or adam Khoo, nonetheless, the words have to be substantial nous, , because words can be more powerful impactful in influencing people and set us thinking


and on the other hand, words also can be more powerful than a picture because, they can describe someone emotion, this is different from picture because, while taking a pictures can capture and show someone emotion it is unable to describe


so in conclusion, a picture is certainly not always more powerful than words it would seems that pictures are in general overrated, and words they are underrated


perhaps it's because the sense of sight today uh is more immediate faculty than the mental emotional and spiritual process that are triggered by the reception of, words, the impatience of the modern age today also makes people reluctant to take greater time than one needs to appreciate a book and much more inclined to seek that instant gratifications of a picture


debate top three


okay uh no I do not agree, I'll say that advertising it actually by using advertising it actually do encourage consumers to make a right choice or right decisions while purchasing products that they are essential in their daily life


so I'll say that advertising is actually helping consumers to get what they need instead of buying something which they're not really necessary, okay when come to advertising no company is playing monopoly game


every company they're allowed to do their own advertisements so that's why advertisement they actually come in a mass, so in this case advertising play in a part in helping consumers to compare the quality of the products the price of the products


and also the reliability of the products without advertising it will be very difficult for consumer to judge the worthiness of the products because they are not being exposed to different different branding of the products


let me give you examples before before you give me your points for example I was all the while having KFC since I was young because my parents only introduce me KFC, but without the advertisement I might don't know that there's actually the appearance of mcdonald's appearance of jollibee in the markets


so that might be a better choice for me because I'm not a fans of chickens I might be a fans of burger so I'll actually go to McDonald's more by advertisements err, from McDonald's so that's the reason why advertisements advertisements today's actually helping consumers to make a better choice instead of getting something they're not really in need


okay I might mislead you from the example just now but I need to state that when I'm having mcdonald's burger, uh having a meal is a need is not something not necessary having a meal is a need that mean meaning to say when I'm having McDonald I'm not going to spend on KFC or ramly burger anymore it means I'm I'm spending on something that I'm uh I'm in need


not something that actually wasting my money because having a meal is something very basic and it's our daily needs perhaps I give you a a better example from here okay, advertisement actually provide us with many uh with many other same kind of products


with different branding okay advertisement they provide us with many same kind of products but is actually different in branding only with the proper words and descriptions being bring out from the advertisement itself


you will actually make us able make consumers able to find out what should ask the most and from there from there we make the decisions, for example most of most of us actually would think that dove is good for body wash everyone of us do know dove is good but it might not be suitable for someone who are having eczema and sensitive skin


while cetaphil in this case suit sensitive skin more, so without the power of advertising consumer might not be able to know that there's cetaphil exist in the market and which is actually the price the price range is actually roughly the same as dove and this cetaphil is actually more suitable product for them


I mean for the sensitive and eczema skins consumers, and that's the reason why I'll think that advertising is actually helping consumers to make a better decision instead of uh spending on something which they're not really in need


but human can judge, humans can humans thinks and humans can judge according to the point just now that's uh you are saying that human shouldn't go for iphone err eleven pro or !huh! err eleven when they have iphone ten on their hand


but this is when humans make their decisions according to the advertisement being bring out to them whether they need the new function being bring out from the new phone or not and at the same times whether they have this amount of budgets on their hand or not


advertisement don't encourage a desire for consumers to buy things they are not necessary needs because humans they do have the ability to think and judge, imagine uh there's one advertisement out there telling you that smoking is good and drug is healthy humans who are being educated that drugs and cigarettes are not healthy at all they won't go for drugs am I right


but that's not from advertisement, that's not from advertisement


so in this case you are saying that people buying all these unnecessary stuff is due to their being affected and influenced by the people surrounding them, but not the advertisement because people surrounding you are using the the iphone eleven which everyone think that is necessary that's why you go for it


they are not being affected by advertisements


okay so let me bring use an example we actually uh so much nearer to your real life you as a parents, you actually saw these advertisements online saying that uh this sweet is good and this sweet is attractive would you actually buy all these snack and sweet to your own kids


by merely according to the advertisement itself when you yourself already able to think and judge that sweets and snacks not good for your kids, you won't be affected by the advertisement itself right because you yourself know that this is not good


if it's something not necessary for the kids we all know that snake and we all know that snack and sweet is not necessary for the kids we all we all do know that these are not necessary but, you since you all you already know that this is not necessary for your kids would you actually go and buy since you are a parents you are able to think you are able to judge


you will go you will go to purchase some things which is good for your kids is because you know that that's good, but when things is not good just like when I'm advertising some uh advertisement show that cigarette is good and you can't live without cigarettes and sometimes a cigarette might even do some sponsor for some drama or movies


but since you yourself already know that uh cigarettes is not that good would you to introduce to your kids would just still buy these cigarettes and introduce this to your kids you will not because you know that this is not something good for your kids so advertising is only something


to encourage you to to encourage consumers to make the right choice, there there will be a lot of advertising company they come up with these advertisements, then these advertisements they are actually from the same kind of products and that's where you'd being exposed to different different advertising advertisement and then from there on you know what is the quality what is the uh speciality about the product and that's where


you make a better decisions like what I tell uh what I mentioned just now regarding dove and cetaphil example


again again this would only happen the situation that you mentioned just now would only happen when the advertisement are being bring out by one company meaning to say the company itself play monopoly in the advertisement itself


but today advertisements are from various company they come up in a mass, that's why advertisement from various company they can actually give the consumers the opportunity to choose wisely uh just like in your cases you are saying that the bag from night market would be enough you won't go for branded


but if the night market doing the same advertisement on TV and at the same time the branded bags doing the same advertisement on TV there's when human can actually think and judge how much is inside my pocket and which one should I actually go for if I'm going for the branded I am I might don't have


have to go for chanel I might just need to go for any seek and ah I don't know much about branded but I might just need to go for a few hundred bag instead of a few k brand, just because the few hundred bag is more durable than the one that you I bought from night market and that's when different advertisement from different company


they are they might be selling this almost the same product but different advertisement from different company they actually bring out the different point different different characteristics of a product different quality of the product which consumer can actually make their own decision from there


but we are here actually saying that advertising encourage a desire for products which people do not actually needs so is actually happens on people who do the advertising these advertisements is already out so these advertisement from a mass company makes you able to decide


I'm not saying for those who never do advertise advertising of course for those who never and not able to do advertising they are not able to uh expose their brand to any uh to any consumer outside


debate topic one


I have different opinion with you I believe that advertisements are often entertaining but they rarely affect consumer choice nowadays there are many advertisement there are very interesting creativity and entertaining


in order to create the attention for the audience but most of the time until end of the advertisement video we only know that the advertisement is present by what brand and product, that's why consumer choice won't affect by this kind of advertisement video at the end of the video we only know this brand is selling what kind of product


and most of the time consumer already know what they want to buy and only watch commercial or read advertisements for entertain entertainment value, for example someone may watch commercial or read advertisement about tiger beer but


but they will not buy it because they already have a favorite brand of beer such as carlsberg or others others brand for many consumer they already have a favourite choice of product and they're not really affected by advertisement because in their mind they have already decide


what they are going to purchase hence we can see how people may find advertisement entertaining but most of the time is we are not affect consumer choice simply because the consumer already have decide beforehand what brand and product they're going to buy


and, furthermore advertisement will tell you the good of the product, but word of mouth will tell you the truth of the product, uh you couldn't even see advertisement tell you that uh how bad is my product or they only will tell you that how good is my product on their uh on their advertisement


for example you will only, influencer nowadays is one kind of


advertisement method used by a lot of company but most of the time they are like advertisement they are telling only the good of the product they never tell you that is it really effectively the product really if effective to the


does it the product really effective but, from your friend your friend will tell you the truth that I I already tried this product whether this product is useful or not, so this is my points, I don't think that advertisement


uh will affect consumer choice


okay I'm I'm not agree with you, you said that , when, iphone come out a new phone or uh a branded bag that they're doing advertising so that a lot of people were going to buy for me


that is not because our advertising it's because of that, the, customer personal they're already using the iphone so they are follow the trend and they are not because uh affect by the, advertisement they are already iphone fans that why there's if that's the reason why when the iphone come up a new phone they are they are queue and going to buy it but not because of the advertisement and effort uh uh and affect that uh other


customer like I'm using samsung, I'm not because I want because of uh iphone come out a new phone that I uh they're doing advertisement and everything that I will straight to go for queue for this new phone because I already have my own brand that I like and the phone that I using everyone know that


the button, in the samsung phone is different from the iphone so some some of the user that they will prefer using the samsung instead of iphone ya they have, iphone maybe have a very short cut button but for us like we already using samsung for many year we still will prefer support our samsung brand instead of we because of the advertisement then we go to choose for the iphone


yes I agree with you uh company that invest they will expected that advertisement will bring bring in more income, uh for them but for me the advertisement purpose is uh rarely affect consumer choice because the advertisement that can bring in income but not from the new customer maybe is from the old customer which already like the


brand and when the advertisement come up yes they will continue to buy it but, is not uh affect, most of the consumer choice, like what you are saying they are invest, in a lot of advertisement uh


uh, place is not like from only from TV or only from youtube may be on board or everything, but, if you are not interested uh for me if if the advertisement is


video advertisement gets maybe sometime you will see on the TV or youtube, but now, nowadays actually youtube if you watch their advertisement you still allowed to skip it within five seconds after it was five second so if you are really not interested


for the advertisement then you can just skip it is not compulsory for you to watch finish or everything like if you watch watching the TV some time they will pop up the, the the advertisement also but at the same time uh as what I mentioned if you are not interested to advertisement you would just skip it you go to do your others thing instead of just sitting there to watch for the


for the advertisement to finish or everything, and, for and for the board uh, what I can say is for the board the advertisement, for my style if I'm rushing type I won't go to see the board go to read everything or go to see what is there selling or they using flyer or everything I will just throw it if there are there are something that I really don't like or


is not the brand that I already uh I I always is not the brand that I always use or some product that I, uh I haven't use before or anything that uh my friend tell uh never tell me they using before so that for me


advertisement that invest yes they expected, that the income will become come back but, does it really affect consumer choice is not because most of the consumer, they already have what they are want and they know what they want and they they prefer hearing from what their friends saying that is that a good or no good compared to you invest few million or few thousand or how much in your advertisement


nowadays consumer is more knowledgeable they know that all the advertise advertisement advertise that will only tell you that good of the product so that if if they are really interested I mean they are really interested on the product they won't


because of the advertisement and go to buy for the product they normally go for shopping and they will look for, I mean same product but different brand to try it or before they make any decision so that, for me advertisement is not really affect consumer choice but they are given more choice maybe they are given more choice


the consumer to consider, whether this product is really, good to buy or they are going to try the product instead of they affect consumer go to try to choose this product


for example if you will look at the advertisement say that the new iphone come out there has many function and the price is normally the price is , higher for the iphone for me is quite higher so that if you know that uh okay uh now their battery if run for uh longer compared to last


time but, consumers they would consider that whether they really need the battery for longest compared to now their front uh the phone they using now and they will prefer go to the outlet or


every place to see uh others brand product is it their battery is really uh is good than compared to this uh advertisement what they're doing, so that consumers still is knowledgeable to choose that to go for uh physical to see that what's the product they need


debate topic two


like what you say, everyone hear about a picture speak a thousand words this mean that picture can express much more than word ever can that can affect people on a large degree than, words


ever can and they will always, be more powerful than words, picture are universal, people all around the world will be able to understand the message a picture is trying to convert, on the other hands


words are limit by different language, uh like what you saying the example just now, the harry potter novel yes they need to translate to how many, language in order for all the audience to understand what is the story being


but, after that they filmed it to a movie, and everyone will be able to understand the movie instead of they need to translate the movie to, different language for everyone to, understand is mean that what is


actually will limit the number of people who, can understand it, that is also the reason why picture are used at signage on restroom doors instruction manuals and traffic, and warning sign all over the words


for example, ikea the furniture retailer use picture to illustrated how to assemble their, freight box furniture in a step by step manner let's say if they're using words the cost of translating their instruction manual


for a global market will be very high, just like, uh just now the example the harry potter novel, , try to think that if they need to translate so many language, uh in order for all the audience can understand the novel how much cost


they are actually invest in translating instead of, after that they filmed it to a movie and everyone is able to understand there is saving more cost compared to they translate or uh to different language


furthermore, picture are highly realistic, beecher I used to capture a prayer in time we're worse odds just not adapted enough, picture can, instantly change our mood and leave impression much faster and much more accurately than words


can, picture can evokes feeling of, happiness sadness and others, for example, we able to we able to, see from a picture that we uh whether the person in the picture is happy or is


sad, and also if I'm showing you that a picture of before and after using a product, is, after that I just tell you that how good of the product instead of showing you any evidence, if I able to


show you the picture before and, after using the product you have, much more, confident that the product I'm selling you that is actually work compared to I just tell you that my product is very good uh after you using it


and any example on that, so that picture is more powerful compared to words


yes picture are more efficiency than words with a picture we can convert so much more information than we can with word in fact it can take a thousand words just to describe what is in a picture, this mean that we just need few second to understand the picture but we need few minutes to finish read all the words


I don't agree with you as you say young children books is always uh contain of picture because picture are more attractive than words children books always contain few no uh sometime there are no words


at all and the, arts can be understood equally by everyone worldwide, children is , always attract by this kind of picture instead of you give them a lot of words


and in addition you say that, the cost is doesn't matter but if let's say the, picture is more powerful you just need a picture to let everyone to understand this, what is going on is better than you go for higher costs


just, just to let people know that what's going on right so that pictures still more powerful than words on this situation


but picture able to give more creativity thinking for children, compared to words words have limit to what that children can may think, for example if I gave you a picture for drawing you can draw any colour that you like instead of words I just tell you that rabbit is white color so that you will only know rabbit is white colour


but, for young children normally we train them for more creativity so we use picture for them to drawing and let them to draw what they are, uh what the colour they like so that picture is, they're able to create more creativity compared to words that can be done


try to think from another way if you only have word that on on the advertisement do it really attracting, consumer to go for look for the advertisement, instead of if you have a very nice picture to show that how good is my product before and after using it that will attract more people


yes, word maybe we need some words in the advertisement but the big, part, play in the picture is still belonged to the picture if you are able to show a good picture you able to attract more people to look for the advertisement compared to you show one hundred a word that saying that that's product is good


no no no I'm saying that picture is play a main


main, main role in advertisement compared to words, if you did not have any picture in the advertisement you are unable to attract people but if will with the picture, and you have some word yes so that picture is


main I mean is the main reason why people attract by the advertisement compared to words, so that picture is more powerful than words


debate topic three, yes nowadays a lot of people influenced by advertising to buy something they're not actually need for example


iphone eleven pro max when they're the phone just launching iphone company will tell you how good the product is and they implement new function on this product, many iphone you reserve you start queue and buy for this new iphone even they already have iphone ten on hand does the phone on their hand really cannot work and must change for the new one no they're just follow the trend now everyone is


because the iphone eleventh pro max come out already not everyone is going to change this, new phone that's why I want to change this new phone also, but actually their phone is their phone on hand actually is still nice uh still still can work very well but they still go to buy for it just because they want to follow the trend


so for me since their iphone ten is still working they go find for iphone eleven just to follow the trend mean that advertising is very strong enough to influence, people to buy thing that they're not really need it


do you agree with me fanny


I don't agree with you yes yeah you said that they are they are let people have a more better choice for the uh I mean for the for the thing like if you are


previously your your parents is only uh buy you for KFC but now because of the advertisement and you have a, more choice you can choose of mcdonald, and everything but is it really that you need to eat for the KFC or mcdonald instead of you can just eat for the ramly burger that is cost you maybe two dollar or three dollar fifty cent


but you are choosing the mcdonald that because they are doing advertising so do you think that !wah! this new burger is really really very good that's why you go to choose for this uh mcdonald burger instead of this ramly burger that only cost you three dollar fifty


fifty cent for me the result for a burger is is same if you eat a mcdonald, or you eat a ramly burger they are gave you the, uh you can feel the full of after eating the food of satisfied is same is there are no different but the pricing is different


so that if you say that the advertising of mcdonald can influence you to go for eating the mcdonald mean that, there's still there's still given you a chance that to buy something that you are not really need is you are not really need to eat until mcdonald instead of you can only eat the ramly burger itself


there are still a lot of thing that is begin advertising that is uh not really need by the, consumer but they're still buy it for example that, iphone uh I mean that phone is just for communication purpose is there a need for to buy a iphone eleven instead of just buying a normal phone that uh is in a cheaper but uh in a cheaper price that


is for communication purpose, so that I think that advertising still influence people to buy the thing that they're not really need it


yes you are said that people with educate but drug is not health uh not healthy they will not go for the drug but is for someone that fateful take the drug they will say that you yes I agree on it you see this advertising said that the drug is good yeah


you just now you said that is good right you just now say that is from the advertisement is say that this is good, that's why I'm saying that there are from the different people view that some people would think that you say that maybe some people will say yes it's not good but some people will said yes is good you and just now you mentioned that


people will judge people able to judge to make decision but when when you maybe you say that, if one people using a iphone eleven you won't influenced by the people but if you will see that a lot of people around you are using iphone eleventh


but you and a lot of influencer said that this iphone eleven is very good now the battery is uh long life than uh the previous one, and now the picture function is very good but for you maybe you just take the phone for communication purpose so you are not really uh need the battery will long run or what or you need to take a very nice photo like a influencer to post it out


but when you stay around people around you are using the handphone that eleven that which I mentioned that everyone is using then you will influenced by them and go to buy for it also, and like what I'm saying that it's not something that you need but you are influenced by the people the advertising by the influences to buy it


for me people surrounding is one kind of advertising also if not why the iphone eleven they want to put a logo iphone eleven on behind of their phone it's just for people to know that you are using the iphone eleven uh no I mean that is just for you to know that they're using the