if you can say with volunteer time and volunteer all this and that's uh that's why charity work should be made compulsory to everyone and because everyone have the chance to volunteer what they can give but, if charity work is being made compulsory have we ever asked the recipient of the charity work whether they need the necessary help because if charity work is made compulsory there's certainly a lot of help available in the market all sorts of different help maybe like planting trees and like uh


uh even uh going to the children's home all these kind of thing pet, service all these but some people the the help that people's need always lies with them they can convey their needs to the organisation to try to relay to the people who want to offer charity help but it does not truly mean that the help they the charity work give is like


uh necessary and is timely to what they need some people may have a huge sense of pride who don't want to accept help but some people who who give who wants to volunteer charity work may also have a huge huge uh sense of pride and want to like give as much money as they can like offer everything to make themselves feel better about themselves


if charity work is made compulsory this disparity of what is truly needed and what is given would be enlarged and, it does not guarantee wider society good it may be people may be even more unhappy and to your point about government regulation and


to help to make charity work better and to make like everyone give adequate charity work to uh to people and like so like like child paedophile to not be paired with child's services all these kind of thing, I'd like to say that the government can enforce but can give their law but how


how well they can enforce the law is another thing there's a lot of things like, that the government uh stated out the law but people still break like jaywalking or like not jaywalking will cause you a fine but people still do it so like, it's very hard to intrinsically regulate every single charity work that goes on in society and


this kind of thing would not be the priority the government needs to go through right now so charity work should only be done out of the goodness of the heart and not made compulsory because it gives people the liberty of choice, to choose to truly believe in a cause and to give back and the government regulation is not uh a kind of help that can last throughout the long run


okay so uh linking back to your point firstly you've said that for students if, they don't uh if the government don't make uh charity work compulsory they are highly unlikely to go engaged in charity work in the future and like which makes it very hard for them to like uh actually do it ah so firstly I would like to say that


for charity work and in singapore's context to really build a generation who truly cares about others in the future we should, the the right thing to do is give them a choice and see whether they would to it themselves making things compulsory will only it'll actually make people like deter the person


from doing it uh more just like how your you when you are planning to clean up your room but you mum tell you go and clean up your room you don't really feel like doing it anymore it's the same thing so the only way to truly build uh, students and the next generation who really care about a genuine cause is always to educate them give them the right set of tools and information that you should do this because there's people in need you should help but the choice lies within themselves whether they want to do it or not because it's not about


whether how many people need help I should push this kind of push the students to help them it should it should be allowing them with the giving them the knowledge that people needs help allowing them to internalise it and truly understand that, yes people need help we should go and help it, and hence


not making charity work compulsory gives them the liberty of choice to grow for students and also about your point where it's okay for people to feel good about themselves because it's a positive externality yes I agree that, uh one good thing about charity work is allows people to gain confidence about what they're doing but


it it can land in the wrong hands where people merely conduct in charity work to prove themselves right about something they do they do not believe in okay , elaborating on the example is where people like donate to a cause just like the example I used to


wash their name away to pretend that they're better than what they should be and hence to summarise everything charity work should be made should not be made compulsory because it gives people the liberty of choice to choose whether they want to conduct in something they believe in okay can


okay so , yeah okay so I would like to start off with uh all of my points I feel like uh death penalty should not be abolished I would like to, state that the terms of the conditions are that death penalty towards murderer because generally in today's world the death penalties are usually used towards murderer and secondly uh the context of this argument is towards the whole world and not in singapore so in this context I would


uh outline argument based on death penalty towards murderer and hence are the three points I would like to say that, uh because retributivism and social contract theory and the fact that men are inherently evil we should uh always enforce death penalty to provide a greater societal good okay so linking back to your point that uh people may be young and they make mistakes and hence they shall be given a second chance okay towards murder


retributivism the theory retributivism states that we recognise individuals as rational decision making according to kant's argument in the eighteen uh in eighteen-hundred uh individuals are rational decision-maker and they're able to make uh choices as themselves so


if one person murders another we as a state we shall dispense appropriate punishment to value the individual's life and also the perpetrator's life because, the perpetrator where they commit the, the commit the crime in


with a clear head and knowing that what they want to do and committing the crime with a clear head states that they're committed to the crime and they're ready to accept, appropriate punishment from it so death penalty because in the wider societal context death penalties are typically typically give towards first-degree murderers which are people who have an intention to kill and committed the crime in a cold-blooded manner and hence


the retributivism states that they are rational decision-maker and they make a choice and hence we value the individual's life as sacred invaluable and also value the perpetrator's life as, valuable and sacred as well so we dispense appropriate


punishment to them to do any lesser would mean that we do not view the individual's life as important and also with disrespect the perpetrator's life as being as not, being able to accept appropriate punishment for their own actions and also you said that to uh with


to address a point you said that young people in general are are more youthful uh no they're more they're younger and they are unable to make a rational decision for themselves and causing them to make mistakes that they may have to pay with their life


and, hence this why the state law for a lot of countries is that if you are above the eight age of eighteen years old which is legally you are able to make decisions for yourself then you are then you will be put on death row for to accept the death penalty typically in a lot of countries youths are not liable to liable to the crimes they commit


and they will typically be put to, rehabilitation and to give them a second chance and hence death death penalty is typically reserved for the most wild crimes that that adults and clear headed adults commit and


and this would and, hence the death penalty is used to dispense appropriate punishment to the people to the perpetrator and hence it should not be abolished


okay so to clarify my point my point about being a rational decision maker , would have to link back to a free agent in society can take responsibility for their own choices and should be dignified to accept a punishment proportionate to the gravity of the crime they committed and hence it's not about having a clear headed of mine or anything it's about


if you committed a crime that that is really severe like taking one side which is irreversible ever you should be able to accept appropriate proportionate punishment you should not be able to say oh I'm not thinking clearly right now I cannot, I cannot take responsibility for my crime because as a free agent as a rational decision-maker you are always responsible for your own actions and


you according to a theory of retributivism you are able to accept a punishment okay so uh linking back to your second point you said that men are inherently evil and hence that is, harder for them to like uh make choices for themselves and it's hard for them to like


uh take responsibility all these , okay I would like to I would like to change the point into my uh my stance which says that due to the fact that men are inherently evil according to hobbes's argument that man's nature away from society solidarity


poor nasty brutish and short this necessitate for a criminal justice system strong and severe enough to to prevent to prevent men's inherent evil from jumping out and committing crimes that is so severe to that can harm the wider population and hence


the criminal justice system is to fulfil such a purpose with the enforcement of strict laws to protect the public by arresting law offenders and dispensing the appropriate punishment to them, if not the men may succumb to their evil instincts and commit savage crime which could really disrupt the societal peace


and to upkeep the moral order and the fragile social fabric due to this inherent evil the extremely strict laws such as death penalty is necessary to prevent them from, succumbing to their natural instinct of evil and committing crimes this is why the criminal justice system which have the death penalty inside is so essential in our society today because it prevents us


us humans uh which which are inherently evil to, to kill to to succumb to their natural instinct to kill to hurt to commit crimes, okay and hence empirical data in US it also shows that execution brought about lesser violent crimes throughout history which proves the effectiveness of the death penalty as acting as a moral guideline and framing people's respect for the system to prevent to


ground them as civilised and law-abiding citizens in our society today, and, linking back to your another point of being that they're young and they're unable to take accountability of their own actions and they cannot be be held accountable I would say that age is not a matter of of producing of


cultivating the instinct of evil since we, we are on the hobbes's argument that human are inherently evil there's another example in britain where two ten year old kids plot a uh, uh kidnap and uh kidnapped a three year old kid from a convenience store and brought him to the train station hit his head with a with a iron rod and left him to the train train station the the railway to die


and that, that incident shocked a lot of people because it shows that age is not a factor in cultivating evil and since, age everyone can develop evil instincts from young death penalty should be installed as a moral guideline to prevent them from committing these crimes even from young to old to adult to elderly this is a guideline that prevents people from being evil and hence it should not be abolished


penalty is largely given to people who commit first-degree murder and if you committed it under other circumstances such she'll be classified under second-degree murder and hence, death penalty should not be abolished my circle of argument around surrounds the fact that death penalty should be given to first-degree murderers and citing your example it does not fit in the criteria and hence I believe that uh other forms of punishment should be given and if the jury and the law enforcements


deems that she's dangerous for society then she should be given the death penalty, first-degree murder means they commit the crime under a clear head and the murder with a clear intention and there's a plan behind it since her one does not involve


the daughter committed the crime is called a crime of passion so it will classified under, it's a blurred line between first and second degree but if there's other considerations before it social workers and other kinds of law enforcement will step in to understand her situation uh clearly before dispensing punishment as appropriate to the crime there she gave


because of the fact that I believe that death penalty should not be abolished from murderers it means that death penalty in itself must be retained and hence it if it should be retained if it applies to drugs and other forms of crimes it's up to the discretion of the own government to make their law more


fair and, more fair and just to people who commit crimes the fact that, so I believe that death penalty in general should be retained but whether death penalty should is appropriate appropriately dispense to the crime of that uh drug trafficking uh incidence it's up to the government to make their law more fair


but, in itself it should be retained


okay so the reason linking back to your point about drug trafficking the reason why drug trafficking is punishable by death because , singapore the only talent we have is human resources because we are so small we are vulnerable that the only talent we have is human resources if drug trafficking have


is always above how many grams of drugs that is not deemed as personal use is used to dispense to the wider society and hence it would be given the death it will be given the death penalty because the fact that, the drug trafficking is directly hindering our our most valuable resources in the nation which is human resource and hence singapore deems that according to the context it's severe enough to be given the death penalty


whether citizens agree with it or not is up to own debate but this is the what the government has outlined to be severe enough just like how , when it hinders with the human resource it should be given a appropriate punishment, to


of death penalty to, to kill off the person who commit drug trafficking, and hence


david uh to what extent can education improve the lives of people


well I would say I will oppose uh


that the break through the property cycles , well I would not agree to this because , once you have education but it depends on the level of education like maybe singapore level have said minimum secondary school but if we're go to ITE or degree but


not all have the, money at the time and they have the knowledge to go into and some straight they go into but they can't make it because some of the in course that they enrolled were not interested example some school primary school all all are standardised but in secondary school some will have science some will have geography history


but some, accounts but some won't have so, is depend the school you go in, some neighbourhood school have a majority subject but when you go to, , others school like sec school all these they will have a higher choice of like, course you can take is just you have to up to your standard but you like the course but you can't


make it it just miss by a few, points sometime you appeal you can't get it but even if you go in future when you come up for work it will not use it, as higher chinese in what variety, you can't use it unless you go to a chinese company but majority of singapore chinese company they are using majority is the english language chinese will be second language because


all worldwide they recognise english language as the first language second language is chinese and not all european country will recognise chinese because they are still proud of their country's language like spanish italy latin so, I think education still depends on what other factors you want when you go out to work and also


, it depends ah on the nationwide level because our education level is quite good in singapore but, if you want to go for job out diversify into, MNC or also singapore, it depends on the country leverage and also the subject


not all subject will be recognised and something like accounts, example , in singapore there's a accounts but, when you go to other country that course is different, because you have to achieve the highest level which is in london but, not all people will have the accessibility and money to go to london


to study the highest degree and when you have the even though you have the higher degrees , when you graduate you can't find a job here because the pay will be very very high where most company won't allowed to give this salary


some subject are not so, are not so good lah I mean history yes but if I was if you use it, where you're out for, work out of school for work it won't be used


unless is cross cultural company ah using in MNC


great that education is important can improve the life for people, but , some times, education is just like just, uh path a way for your future work, but , whether for diabetes all this is just to lead to your mindset or whether were you once you start off your school


enjoy the workforce will you continue, to achieve higher education on certain like health issue finance or whatever or you just stop at it because certain, just think that yeah O level N level all this I can stop so I just I choose the work other than that


I won't I'll just improve the work life, a life for people in the in the term of money they can enjoy but , they won't like further educate themself on the healths lifestyle , uh finance so they will just stop at it and just said ya I have a degree cert example or poly cert ya uh I get to work and I have a monthly salary of


I'm from NUS or wherever so that okay I got cert is quite prestige in the world so in a local


I can stop, I can just enjoy and do what rich people do what the myself then it will not improve it will just degrade themself they have, lead to heart attack because they won't go and see uh what lead to heart attack what they should eat or whatever and they just say go back to our old self !aiya! I just food uh fast food all this and yeah


keep on getting fats and three highs all those and that's it, so education will not, it depends on people I could say because some level their mindset mentality is just that yeah I have this level is up is good I don't have, to meet more because I see ah myself is so up so


up that, you won't need anymore that means it's just that so called, example I have poly then my standard is that I know what I've study and I know a lot , but doesn't mean but, I have to stop acting that yeah I think highly of myself and I shouldn't study anymore and that my son is good but it


just well comes with the mindset of people that said education doesn't stop there when you go to work you have to continue so it'll improve the life, but it depends, because not everyone will see that education just must uh ongoing despite your


until the age even you retire


through educations they can know the what type of like healthy lifestyle they can lead , but it's just that whether


because they think they are educated their yeah I just believe them like, MNC all this I believe what they sell what they told to through their lowest their ambitions yeah I, I believed I trust their word but in that, they did not go in to see because not all education level can sees that what is our in depth level which does


the, statement uh beneath so I don't think education is can improve the life of people because sometime, people with low education or no education they can become millionaire, and they start up their own business


and their lifestyle is very great some elderly they have not working about sorry they have not been educated for primary school, they are very, they lead a very healthy lifestyle and they have able to support themself their family maybe about about ten people, ten kids until now there are four generation and still


living happily, their lifestyle is very good because their mentality and their humble background teach them what to, do in the life and how they should react it doesn't, apply to education sometimes


, but somehow I disagree to education because some educations , even though you only have primary school educations, but if you strive very hard


and you climb the ladder by your mentality and not education level some boss this did appreciate and make you become manager in a, in the recent year , example some of the companies when you start out when yeah they even they even they even didn't complete


their primary school or secondary school and their company they work very hard and the boss see the, see the potential in them and make them rise as a manager even though they have not have a degree cert they can still go to manager level and make a


and make the company very, good because what they do is based on experience and, their mentality and, also their mentality give them a very good, thinking knowledge logic which some of the


education like, diploma or higher degree level they don't have their mentality of, thinking, they don't know what's logic they just follow die, black back to back black and white there's no grey area and they just like, step one step two step three that's it they always like oh yeah I should carry a break and I shouldn't go like like


like people like method one two three strictly follow but I should yeah, be flexible, so sometime education doesn't teach flexible when education is like die with education, people have to be flexible in order to work in life but, education ah teach teach are not flexible so I don't think so it's back to mentality and how you flexible in your way


backdoor also have because some educations it's just like, I have a cert but I don't have the mentality in it, there's a lot, example foreigners, come in singapore to, uh take polytechnic polytechnic but in order to go to polytechnic they have O level here and to get to go here they go to enroll


tuition centre but it turned out, it caught they are being caught, and they are exempted, but this told us what education can it be really based on our strength or just based on cheating, this was a article found in straits time just recently this month yeah it was based on cheating but it was happened years ago


they want, people come in to take our cert but, they are want cheating because their standard not there means that yeah they can, go in a job in a school without basically themself own strength they just like yeah I pay


I got cheat I go to poly I got a good cert, so I don't think education is can improve the life of people it's just like change your mindset but it doesn't improve anything


debate topic two, consider the view at education is no no longer necessary for success


I mean that you need education because some education level higher they don't earn respect because they see that yeah, I'm a master example or PHD you should respect me because I study, more I have more knowledge than you, my cert is recognised, [orh] sorry


okay I mean that respect is not earn by educations because some, , some prefer to have a example they have PHD, master


integrity, and he respect people, so, respect naturally is come from people who respect them they respect the, level education doesn't respect earn the respect


uh I agree but however like Facebook Google all this and Apple their CEO founders they are very they don't they may have limited knowledge on education but when they hire people, they need cert they need education degree is a minimum sometimes it depends on job scope but majority is degree in IT


so which means that education is still needed


education is a must for success because some like, example MNC, they even though they say yeah I'm a manager example, I I have I have, Kaki I have friends I have relative I'll I'll pull them inside my company to under my department even though


they are hardworking but they don't have cert but, when the management check they say I don't care I still need education because this is our standard , and example is like uh during our school days, there's a lecturer says that


his friend, company boss said !hey!, fred, you have to I want to make you will CEO but I can't you know why because of the cert don't have a degree you got everything quality that but fred


you get a degree I'll make you a CEO, I the fred drag but once you say yeah I will just go at degree his wants a CEO, so cert still, makes a better educations


uh I think oversaw a few because like you stay, property agent yeah they don't need a, degree cert but they have to a lot of tests examination to for them to pass to so that they can get a license to sell so they still need education on the licence on that property factors else they will can't be properties and during this crisis of COVID nineteen


beside property and hawker centre , most of them I saw is uh degree holder there are a lot like uncle aunties in the, , in previous time so which mean that they during this crisis they have more time due to education they know how to sell on Facebook all these where else all those auntie uncles they don't know they say help me or whatever but all these with education they say yeah I can use through internet website to promote my sales


I can reach out to people like those like website #da bao# website, Facebook and sharing all this but uncle aunty they don't have because they lack of knowledge don't have don't have the IT knowledge basic knowledge so they don't know how to venture their business or diversify their business during this crisis through Facebook or mouth they only know mouth to mouth but if there's no people


there isn't anymore after mouth factors so it's back to education, for every type of success


certain point yes but if education is no longer success is a necessary for success why government need still need to put I mean want people his his nations to educate to be educated because


people if don't educate you will miss a lot and you'll be cheated by people example there's one example, in bank, and old uncle say go to the bank and say uh I want to apply for this, bank just the banker said one of the banker okay said cheated him make him transfer money to him not few hundred dollars few thousand dollars to him without his knowledge because why I'll go to have education he just say yeah I go to the bank he was very educated whatever he say should be right it will be good for me but no


education is for you to know what is your right and what you should do and not let cheat by people because people with higher education doesn't mean that he won't cheat you he will be success you listen to him will be success no you still have to think so you have to in order to think you have must have education at minimum so you know what he said is correct


or wrong , and education is no longer source of success yes but for certain people not all it's just minority, it's not for majority because majority still think that, the education is all good for success because all around the world can see


people government all push their kids, to higher education previously was primary school now was secondary school, minimum all country give them free education and some, europe country they give free degree PHD doctorate all these for people nation who are their


people free, because they says that yeah it's very important, I need my, nations to have education accessible with free


okay since you mentions that Googles they will be recruiting people with IT backgrounds all this but when they go in is another matter, a basic step but once they reach higher level they still need to have a cert, to in order to promote more so the company say say yes that's the minimum requirement to go in the back company but doesn't mean that they must stop at ITE they have to further upgrade themselves in order to get to higher position of the department or in the heart of the company so education is a necessary for success done


debate topic three the solution to the problem of crime is education


the the solution to the problem of crime is education


I do not agree, with this the solution of to the problem of crime is educations, as recently there's an article, in straits times shows that, there's a youngster


quite young in the ITE he molest a girl, having in the studied in ITE have a basic of secondary school he know what is wrong and, right but he still commit a crime, so which I don't think education is a solutions to solve the crime


as you can see the worldwide, a lot of crime master, mind they are all highly educated people, makes means uh like drug dealers example lah some country the drugs dealer, or those like intrude into the security side


company or government website, they're all highly educated because they have the basic, background and they know how you go in hacks the webs, governed data but without getting, uh arrest so, education does not solve it I disagree


yes it's a Mahathir population but, uh, I can say is quite, is full of having a study education but it's still a commit crimes and recently there's a article that shows that people are educated


they can afford their have it uh lavish lifestyle but they still break the law, but, like example in the CB period people cannot go to your house but they invite more than ten people to their house and some there's an article says that yeah they are


educated people they come here to study but they don't know they just say they don't know, they just say they come here to study group for just a few days after, end of uh and in entered the period of CB they say they don't know yeah but they are educated people they intend to break the law so education is the does not solve the crime issue because people are educated but they still


break the law why they says that, example there's a certain, university in local, that, when you study there means that yeah it's a prestige school once you prestige, yes once you commit a crime detention only given there's no laws there's no jail there's no


send back to home their hometown and even they don't suspend their, people the the student so, education is still the roots of a core it does not admit the root of the cores crime, it still contribute the crime, even higher as you see society in the past and in the present in the eighties


people with no education are there low crime are there higher level of crime rates no but as as the increasing level of education recently worldwide or local crimes are higher and there are more potential on the high risk of end, they do a lot of certain lawson thing but


police can't catch them why, they hide all those evidence you can't catch them, so I don't see


I actually initial I believe this but, after certain stage I meet with some things yeah, I overturned this claim because sometimes, when you're write in to govern sectors they says that yeah they are doing a crime


but when they reply is, they will be educated but when times given educated but it says no no use so I don't believe it and I totally disagree education is the solution to the problem of the crime which is totally nonsense as does not apply to all even majority because


as you say parent parent is a, is a factors of the children, a future yes but also the mindset, and how they see things if the children born when they born if they are kind in nature yes when they grow old


they still can kind nature, yes but when they're still young by, there won't be crime so, education is one level but you still need other factors but may education is not all does not apply to all


okay uh give you some examples in some countries schools like third world country their education level is very low sometimes not even primary school uh graduated but, , their crime rates very low even though they can open their doors at night and people


people doesn't come in robbery but only, that , uh animals go in because yeah is free because education doesn't really prevent, because some parents like you mention early did play a part when they are young is how they're teaching so even with no educations kids with


proper bring up will not do crimes will not commit any crime because they know that once they commit crimes they will not only harm them self their harms their loved ones, so education does not solve any crime in my mindset


actually okay I agree with you, but however education does not constitute to crime does not constitute in prevention crime, totally as like you say culture culture come from long ago when there's a culture in history time there wasn't any educations so


it start from culture then will have education so culture culture is the basic, of, prevention crime instead of education cultural forms education education form profession crime but first of all , culture is not formed it's being uh discard then


wherever if there's no culture there won't be education so crime will still


well the but even though with educations the world wide crime rates doesn't decrease it's increased sharply every yearly in every state even though okay education like since that, education since COVID nineteen in a world of two thousand twenty everyone will have a minimum basic educations worldwide but


doesn't help your family comes of COVID nineteen no people still rob, is still kill life is still describe that you have to wear a mask when you go out so education is not a problem is not a solutions to it because even with educations, in the where about like US okay people still protest


I don't wear mask I have my rights even though they are highly educated they say their rights more so, it is no use, it does not prevent of crime because when they wear don't wear mask is a crime and also they harm to people, which means that people with well COVID nineteen or they also may contact with it so education does not solve it


education is not only the transformation of progression crime because, examples in animal were they don't have education so far we see la but, does they commit crime no so is means that it's just that how they bring up so


which means that bring up is the most important for prevention crimes and sometimes, even kids as as young as overseas two years old three years old, when they dislike their siblings they just put the gun and kill them they say yeah because I don't like them it's not education level because their parents are highly educated they give that well enough


but, it even though you say like is two year three year they are educated yes because when they're young parents will say yes you can't do this you can't do that it's dangerous you shouldn't do that but they still commit crimes so education is not point


part one debate topic one


okay I agree that education can improve the lives of uh people because by acquiring education it helps to improve the people lives and sustainable development when you have the access to quality education you can break through the cycle of poverty


education has been a major tool to combat all forms of poverty everywhere a recent study by UNESCO revealed that the poverty rate around the world could decrease by half, if all adults complete their secondary education


so education do helps to reduce inequalities and achieve gender equalities it helps to empower people everywhere to live a more healthy and sustainable life, uh not only that education also helps to holsters tolerance among people and contribute to a more peaceful society


okay basically major progress has been made, toward increasing access to education and increase the enrolment rate in school particularly for womens and girls that


while enrolling uh enrolment in primary education in developing countries has reached uh ninety one per cent fifty seven million children remain out of school so basically in order to put breakthrough this cycle that this is education is really uh one of the major discussion


, okay uh basically we can't deny the fact that uh the fact that this subject specially like for for instance like chinese I mean this is is something that is uh


so call a language that is mainly well known to across the world because basically if you lack of, education like in for instance like what I mentioned chinese you will have less opportunity for instance for my case oh when I when I have the chinese language it give me a upper edge when going oversea to china where else where else compared to the rest


it really makes a difference so basically education really, I mean it helps to improve in terms of opportunity and also give us, a better uh career path, it where where else where else if you have a O level or N level wise you will only land up in a less advancement job


so that's why I believe that education can helps to improve the lives of people when by assessing through we will be able to access to major of MNC companies SME companies rather than we will only have certain


companies opportunity so therefore I strongly agree to this point and we also with only education not only that it can improve the life of people that it's also, giving us so called uh improve the economic output GDP in in the world so basically


with a higher GDP in singapore I mean has for example singapore it really helps our economic livelihood , not only that the health of country it of the people is also closely tied to the level of education achieve in general those who dropped out of high school will lead


uh maybe lead a shorter life because every additional year of former education raised the earnings by ten per cent and life expectancy by about half a year within limits, so basically with greater level of education there's a significant reduction in the risk of developing high blood pressure or diabetes it also


lowers the consequences of common ailments like heart disease stroke hypertension cholesterol and asthma


but we can't deny the fact that education actually uh with more people access to education they will know


I mean better on what are the , options what type of lifestyle they can be adapt to because without education people will lead into this lifestyle okay like like Mcdonald's eating Mcdonald's uh order the fried foods too that in the end subsequently resulted


obesity for example I mean I mean those fried foods wise in those fast food restaurant uh might have some influence to the , into the uh physical structure of people but I mean right nevertheless even though uh fast food restaurants are coming up to uh a healthier lifestyle


but we can't deny the fact that education is a very fundamental thing to improve people, life so that people will be having more knowledge in order to have access on what are the things available to them or what is right and what is wrong for them to lead a healthier lifestyle subsequently by doing that they would improve the life


and people will not uh lead to higher higher risks in terms of health


but we do we we can't deny the fact that without education we will not have a higher income level without higher income level we will not be able to access to like a better housing or better housing


car travelling because all these require a huge sum of financial, uh requirement so without a education we will be a in a I mean unless really you have the opportunity that when you go into the company that


the there there's opportunity for you to climb up but the chances are quite slim especially at this age I mean at this modern age where the minimum criteria for most of the job requirements are degree and above so with this lack of education is really


deter people from gaining access to all this opportunity wise so these people are will always like, uh be in a so call situation where the less favourable jobs will only be given to them so that's why I believe education is one of the fundamentals requirement


for improvement improving the lives of people


okay but but this education really I mean like what I mentioned to you that the criteria is really stated there the I mean when you go in to apply a job the minimum criteria is stated to have a degree that I mean that is already the


the first step in accessing to companies without this minimum criteria there's no way, the company will open the doors to people that has less than, that qualification unless is through the back door


part two debate topic two


okay I agree that education is not no longer necessary for success because success depends on an individual capacity to use his talent and creativity, in in most in in the most effective ways even if you are uneducated you have received the little education


you can still achieve great success in life by putting the skills in the right place at the right time, it is true that education might get you the respect from the society but in the end is neither the society nor the respect that give you


that would make you the most is your own will that and your determination that, does not require formal education we have seen successful cases like bill gate mark zuckerberg steve jobs they do not have the


college education but subsequently they have become the billionaire, so I totally agree that education is no longer necessary for success


sorry sorry I can't hear uh can you repeat what you said can you put nearer to my okay,


but we can't deny the fact that those people that has uh their, own will and determination and hard work skill will eventually lead to a more successful career because eventually


if you have the education but you lack of the perseverance and the hard work it will not lead you to the necessary success that's why has lot what I mention to previously steve job, uh bill gates and mark zuckerberg they actually stopped at the college level even though they have been through the college years but


subsequently they have found their own individual business which they they found that education is no longer the necessary for success that's why they managed to break through that and lead to a more successful career by leading to, all the major MNC company Facebook be uh Microsoft Apple which is a which is something remarkable to to to the world that we we are seeing that this do happen


yeah, I remember uh reading an article for IBM they do mention that when they assess to IBM, education is not one of the criteria when they access into IBM rather through the experience hard work


that they are able to access into the company even though for with diploma level they're they're going to give them the opportunity to be able to learn, and if you have that determination or will they are giving you a a chance for you to access to the level of the degree holder therefore I believe that based on this scheme from IBM they're giving people the


basis of unequality in education to access into the IT level even though IT level, more or less required the uh degree but we can't deny the fact most of it requires practical skill practical experience is something that it's uh unavoidable we need this


practical skills in in order to for us to be able to be able to troubleshoot because even though you have the education doesn't mean that you will be able to troubleshoot in terms of practical level these are through experience hard work


and eventually able to gain access to all this information so I do believe that even though you don't have the education but you still will be able to make success through all these factors


yes okay we have seen cases where people that has limitation in education they they have penetrate into like hawkers but subsequently the hawkers are able to so call achieve great greater result


because of what because they are able to through the hard work determination subsequently the hawkers become entrepreneurs by penetrating to uh different levels of like being uh being a restaurant boss and subsequently


being the top of the management so basically it is really depending on how you want to lead to success depends on your own self own determination I've seen cases where , uh the property agent they do not have the necessary education but subsequently able to own like ten to twenty properties because they're able to go through so call their determination perseverance


to be able to achieve this result so basically education is just a stepping stone , for us to access but ultimately it still depends on individual on how they're hungry for success so it doesn't mean that an education level will definitely lead you to a brighter future is just a for you a key for you to access to a door


that's it that's what I that's what I believe on so education is no longer necessary for success in this current, society especially in I mean in year two thousand twenty we have seen cases where people are venturing to uh entrepreneurship somes even don't have the necessary degree never but they are just hungry for success they're they're willingly to try something that is new


in order to break through that's nobody dare to do it so the dare factors, determination perseverance are some of the factors that they believe that they can actually go through it so that's why my view is education I do agree that is no longer necessary for success


okay I think it a good point mention just now you mention about COVID nineteen so what I read was during this COVID nineteen uh the car, market is very uh the business is very bad so subsequently what they did was the aunties uncles they are they are not able to access to a wider range so they have actually


come out with uh ambassador digital ambassador to help those uncle aunties for them to uh build up the business so what happen was that the fish mongers or the people that sell pork, they actually gain through with I mean they actually got the help from the digital ambassador to help them promote the product subsequently it has been a big hit that


within like half a day all the fish are being sold, within like half a day so these aunties and uncle does not have the education level what does that tell me that it doesn't mean that you really need the education to succeed you the most important thing is creativity perseverance aware or whether you dare to try it out


attitude if you have all these factors, coming in you will be able to succeed, so therefore I like what, or like what I mentioned this education is no longer needed or necessary for the success because this auntie uncle can even make a breakthrough by by doing the digital world by gaining access even though they are the the senior citizens are they have a barrier in accessing to smartphone but subsequently


with the help of the digital ambassador they feel more confident and subsequently they're able to penetrate, through this barrier so this really doesn't I mean education really doesn't play a part in this case anymore so I believe education is no longer needed based on the scenario what I've seen for the past few months


but the thing is the like what you mentioned the bank the bank education is only for you to decipher what is right and what is wrong it doesn't mean that it will lead to success I mean it's just a knowledge for you to to identify what are the


I mean what other flaws and what are the things that you need to do in order to not be getting scam, and so that you will have a better knowledge in terms of this knowledge I I believe that you can actually gain assessed by reading up and have more people to uh guide you through so subsequently I mean this is just a basic fundamentals is not really


something that you really need a a full range of education in order for you to understand through the bank so my my, my answer I mean basically what I understand is that this education for like what you mention the elderly is a is only a minimum thing


okay then what my I suggest is, what those education like degree diploma holders will really will be able to breakthrough when I actually recently what I actually read through is my friend actually send me an article they say that


google is actually coming out with this that people coming with diploma they'll be able to have internship with uh Google so things are moving into this direction, that education is no longer needed for success that even you have a degree yeah


you will have a better advantage but the thing is they even accept ITE diploma level what does that tell me that currently they're not looking at education anymore they are looking for people that has the drive, they have the experience the knowledge and whether you are going to uh be willing to try this so they are giving this opportunity to people that no longer require degree


so so that's why I believe that moving forward this will be the upcoming trends for people that has a lack of the formal education


but for what I my uh what from what my understanding is this training they're giving them all those training so that the training will actually lead them to a better thinking thoughts whether this person is really uh required for that uh position so the most important thing is right now is the mindset given


okay I agree the solution to the problem of crime is education because increasing crime and murder rates are one of the biggest problem in the world today so what happen is many people fail to realize that putting in more fundings and resources into early childhood


will actually be reducing future crime rate and saving money contributing to society as a whole, in the study shown that where the focus on the three to four years old children that will enroll in an education programme for fifteen years


it's found that children who didn't participate in the preschool programme who therefore miss out on some important opportunities for early childhood development they will like seventy per cent more likely to be arrested for crime for crime by the age of eighteen


this shows that early childhood education development is integral in ensuring that mental health and development of children in preventing private preventing crimes at a later age


okay I believe that like what you mention about the crime rates that they are very highly educated through the collaboration with the parents and the school this behaviour and characters characteristics trail which are integral integral to a child mental development


will act as a threshold for their mental development as they age so basically, in order for this to be success in solving the crime rate parent parental involvement together with the school, education will have to come hand in hand if a child grows up in an abusive and violent environment and does not have access to any educational support


the chances of them being a a juvenile delinquent and potential criminals will be higher so therefore these two I mean in order to prevent all these crime education must come in hand if parental involvement these two things will


will lead to a better success in solving the crime rate uh yeah I do believe that I do believe that what you mention, that uh people that has degree hold they are degree holders they are involving in crimes but this does not mean that it it help I mean it represent the whole population it just a minority population


okay uh, hold on ah, okay education has always been the most effective way to combat adversity it battles ignorance and help create a more open minded in terms of uh in a respective society by filling more resources and funding into educational


uh programmes rather than preventive measure we can encourage people to focus more on educating themselves and becoming more productive, and contributing to members of society rather than delinquents, as you can see that rather than harshening the laws to prevent people from making mistake we can encourage them to become more productive members of the society by providing with the education and training necessary


to to the world poverty poverty is the leading factors in causing people to commit crimes another reason why that's why education can help crime prevention , uh and solving most of the most of the issue so that's why I agree that solution to the problem of crime is education


okay because with the education parents will know how to uh really guide the children in preventing crimes imagine all the I mean imagine the parents they are they have this mindset oh never mind let them shoplift I mean I have seen this article where this parent


is is not, it's quite I mean so called illiterate so eventually lead to her children in participating in shoplifting in NTUC, so this is something that the mindset


of the parents is holding so with a proper education given to the parent I believe that the children will I mean the parents will be able to guide and lead the children into a proper mindset in preventing them from participating in any crime


I mean this is something that, most of the children will follow the parents I mean because parents will always be the model for children so, if we can actually guide and lead them with a better education it I mean from the parents' perspective this will subsequently lead to the future generation in leading to the right mindset and preventing crime so these are all some of the fundamentals that I believe that that uh will help


in preventing the crime rate so I totally agree the solution to the problem of crime is education


I mean what like what you mention some of these are basically a culture being embedded into them this culture is also through basically through years of education, being embedded then subsequently into a culture then in being installed into the mindset of individual so all these also will lead back to education as one of the fundamentals so without education guiding them that will lead to culture culture lead to the parents then I mean


even though they are like what you mentioned that they are lack of education but these are all basically coming out from a set of culture being being instill from the previous I mean maybe from, the uh with the society that's why they are subsequently lead them to believe that they should behave in this type of manner


so basically these are all different factors of education that will transform to individual so basically I believe that through this education level they can help them to prevent the crime rates and the issue of uh crimes happening worldwide


yeah so this is one of the solution through our education level


but from my understanding that uh most of the culture I mean based on my understand the culture some of them actually evolved from


uh education learning from other countries then basically starting to form into their own culture so that's why these are some of the basic, fundamentals that they're actually trying to get get access like maybe from this country X X they know their culture but this country actually derive it from their education system in order to to derive their culture so these are all


egg and hen issue that means all are interlinked together so in order to have a better so called prevention of crime rates these are all interlinked together I mean we have to ensure the culture education must work hand in hand in


order to be able to reduce the crime rates worldwide, I mean these are something that it have to go go hand in hand together


so basically I mean through the what I believe is that we need to identify what is how does the issue of the crime happen is it not understanding the law, or is it attitude issue or mentality there's a lot of various factors that determine uh the issue of crime so that's why we have to determine from them individually but first of all is education we need to educate them in order to for them to instill into the right mindset subsequently then


we need to know I mean for instance if the crime rate is because of poverty, I mean then we need to gain them the necessary education level to help them to see what are the means for them to gain access uh to be out from the poverty


if they need these are all education needed in order for them to make the transformation


but the fact is if the parents uh will be able to lead with a true nurturing scheme, for for the parents I believe that through a wide range of education given to the parents they will be able to properly guide them to the correct path because that is a so called is a mindset of the parent that lead to to this result parents


required to receive the necessary education to guide the children then subsequently this problem can be solved I mean the problem is the parents that's always give in to child whenever they need this is not the right attitude so the parents itself need to have the education level to solve the root of the problem


so overall yeah so overall I do believe that the solution of the problem of crime is education level yeah


okay okay so we are discussing about


should education be only concerned with what is useful in life, okay so what I feel is that yes education should, err be concerned with what is useful in life because if it's of no relevance you know like whatever we learn is of no relevance then it is not a useful you know for our whatever life skills or you know work skills that you know we'll be facing later on


then also, it's also seen education is also seen as a route or you know to have a better life to make money so usually we as parents are very concerned with educations so


we always look into what is considered useful in life making money or you know the other way round, so I feel that education should always be, how do I say that


align align with, whatever that we need, !ee! in life so firstly what are the things besides finding gain for employment, basically will be the basic literary or social skills or you know developing empathy so that people can relate to others you know and have challenges so contemplating to whatever that gives us meaning in life


so as to lead more rewarding life or find purpose or possibly deal with you know mental health challenges and all that, so usually this kind of arguments were actually are focused on whether these things are considered useful or addressable by education


so secondly what do we actually missed out if education is to exclude all these things that are already considered useful will we risk developing lopsided individuals or, can we be too obsessed with IQ and neglect emotional intelligence you know so how successful can in the education be anyway at addressing the useful


so usually I think in singapore we adhered to you know whatever that is already err ready for us you know to prepare us for work life or you know whatever skills that we need


you have anything to say miss lia


okay can okay ya of course I'll I will agree that education is you know of course are supposed to be equipping students with the right skills and knowledge for you know whatever jobs that they're going to pursue in or you know whatever interest that the have but


the value of education is actually just to mainly mainly to equip, the right skills and morals to conduct themselves, for you know for society and all that so information gets outdated very quickly in this knowledge based economy so its high chance students are, prepping for jobs that do not even exist or even studying information that could be outdated for the industry but by the time you know by the time they join the workforce so if that is the case education should always can always broaden itself to you know instil you know the skills or the values you know according to the economy or you know society


but there's always to me there's always a beginning like you always start from somewhere you know, so our education here like you know you start from preschool and all that you know the basics the literate literacy skill the literary skills all that the coordination motor skills or whatever you always start from somewhere you know before going you know further


up so maybe maybe you know I I prefer that everyone start at the same same pace or same you know , place before moving on to whatever that you know you know after they grew up they have their certain interests before moving onto you know pursue their other interests


(mmhmm) (uh huh)


okay okay let's say ah we're talking about age group how okay how or where would you say which which age group would you say that you know we'll have all the interest already there you know they will have already the interest there to join a particular subject or to pursue a particular you know


learning


okay okay, okay let's say whatever task you know whatever tasks that they are you know going to do at that you know particular time or what okay let's say if you're you let let's talk about reading let's just start with reading, reading okay how how do you start with reading you need to you know you need to be able to recognise alphabets you need to be reckoned you know the phonics and all that then only you be able to read


so you say this two are the main alphabets phone phonic you know then only you'll be able to read without these two you can you know you can you can't read so the same goes to other subjects also you need to have a certain foundation or you know basic first, you know before before starting or you know doing or you know spending your time on this particular topic


without these basics or foundation you cannot even finish up the you know the the thing that you're pursuing


okay okay so os okay so are you saying okay let say we have a group of students so we have to like you know know the individual students one by one or


(mmhmm) okay okay, okay so okay on my side here I still feel that you know , the education ya should be you know


from somewhere you know at least know all the basics or, foundations first before you know pursuing whatever that you know they if they want to or they have interest in, okay


okay ya ya that's right ya


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it's just like showing ya pop up like this straight go to ya correct of the app


err no all clear already, okay wait ah let me check, yup still running


okay so submit okay submit this one first ah, okay can so just continue from where we stopped or


okay so mister just now you were saying


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let me just okay I clear this WhatsApp I just clear everything


how much hundred MB, okay uh I click on this this


(oo) I'm still at this one, yeah debate topic two


okay can ah so as you were saying just now,


okay so you are saying private uh prioritizing on the interest or you know on the interest, okay can okay let's say the interest starts later or maybe you know students develop some of the students like you mentioned earlier I think you know develop late at a later part you know how how would you know you know what what are the things that you know interest them or what are things that you know they are going to pursue


how how you gonna start


(mmhmm) okay okay so when it comes to the system you see when comes to the system everything is readily provided so ya that's that's what I'm referring to actually like everything is already set for us regulated for us you know all the kids have to you know


start from there then only you know moving on that's when you know the system consider why, why the system is there the system the education system is there to you know set some you know start up, for all the students


okay and are we ya no I I think that'll be all for ya these first discussion, (mmhmm) (mmhmm)


(mmhmm) okay can so okay not only you're mentioning what not only ah for education itself its for the long run, okay so even okay let's say if , after the kid grows up you know entering the workforce and all that whatever that you know whatever courses that they pursue in okay yeah most likely will be the ones that as you mentioned the ones that interest them okay can be engineering can be the art stream and all that


okay from there also they you know before you know pursuing that particular subject or life skills they also you know have to be assessed you know on the basic on the foundation first before moving on, to you know pursuing that skills pursuing that courses


so you know they have be check, after you know like check their english you know their languages when we checked on their you now mathematics or maybe check you now their science knowledge


(uh huh) (uh huh), (mmhmm) okay


(mmhmm) languages, other subjects such as, such as humanities or, ah arts and musics


arts and music is it, okay for now I think the education system err for arts and music or maybe you know you get add in scouts also there are considered like extra curricular activities in school, you know music arts and music are already part of the syllabus you know for one week they actually have about you know probably two or three periods of that lesson


yeah so , for hub for sports you know they're doing physical education and all that so actually they are already in the in the system it part of the syllabus already part of the education you know


in education err syllabus so its already included its just even though it's just you know lesser period compared to all the other academic , err lessons they already you know start to that system actually already introduce this err topics these subjects to them to see you know just to maybe to instill some interest to see if anyone is doing any better at any of these subjects


so I feel that for arts and music its already there its just to see whether you know on they have more you know interest more you know to pursue later part when they grew up maybe in you know after secondary school and all that


oh okay so how how would you okay how would you pick out you know pick out these students for these subjects how you do it


okay okay kay generally we I think we understand that education is mainly known err to be the main solution, of many err prevailing problems you know in the society, you know in whatever the society is facing today so the view of education actually can be seen as a way to a for people to gain knowledge information and understanding and learn new skills so actually we can safely say that you know the breadth and depth of these education can actually be learn


long term you know doesn't mean to have start to be you know started at a young age you know anytime anywhere you know you can you know start on any topic or any subject that you want to take up , then but if we are to like pick out these students you know like as you mentioned according to what the you know have interest in we are actually asking to educators to seek out


and chose areas that you know are deemed for the students' own interest instead of what is useful in society today


okay okay when you you mentioned they pull out from the classes right to for their you know the certain subjects that that they're attending to okay what about the current education system


what they are doing now is actually they what they call it the mix ability I think they doing the mix ability so instead of previously when we during our time we had EM one EM two EM three now everyone is in the same class its just that err during certain lessons you are pull out


you know according to your ability according to your capability are you are you saying that you know for this particular you know this pursuing off this interest to be the same way as what it is now, ya according to what they doing now the academic subjects they pull out students you know according to their ability


okay okay so pulling out of these pulling out of you know these classes according to the VP you you agree to it in a sense that you're saying that you'll want to group these students together of of the same ability of the same interests together instead of you know mixing everyone together and learning the same thing


okay how would how would it help the student that way, you know when everybody is at their you know the same pace


debate topic two, okay so for topic two we have conformity conformity


the err you know should conformity be you know be part of the school, okay uh what I feel about err this is that okay firstly I will say that, people don't conform because they want to they actually conform because it is how we survive all this while you know when you lose individuality when you run with the pack but being part of the pack


has its benefits also so that's why you know we adhered to conformity so people may not example people may not want to pay taxes you know but , err when err foreign you know


containing throughout all these years you know one thing is also an advantage to the society everything has been thought there everything has been your laid out there you just follow the rules you just followed the regulations and you know you'll be safe


every single thing or, err


okay yeah that's quite irrelevant actually


okay yeah I think that's the reason why they actually you know start off with all these main subjects first this main academic subjects first you know just to see whether you know , whether everyone is into it you know whether everyone you know has these basic foundation and all that


so you may feel you know one may feel that freedom you know is the way to express oneself but are by you know by dress code by policy by law by the rules you know by the whatever you know the country laws have or protocol but when you choose


something you actually be grateful err when you able to go somewhere you know just to give you the knowledge to pre pursue whatever that you already choose, you know everybody will love to do you know whatever they want with no questions or whatsoever but the problem is that if


we all did, you know everything by ourselves you know according to what we like or what we have interest in nobody will be making sure things run smoothly and safely for all of us because we are you know on our own


oh okay okay I get your point, okay from my side here another part that I feel is yeah yeah true , you know there will be people arguing that conformity is you know err central the functioning err our society err especially you know those from the business world


you know were said that conformity is one of the most desirable characteristics of graduates you know because they're easier to fit into the business world why because of conformity you know at a young age they start with conformity you know when they grow older you know in into the business world it's easier to fit in because


from all the rules and regulations have been gone through from small little things like you know sit quietly or do not talk in the library you know the result for conformity is actually desirable because it's the basis of law is very basic thing an order in our society


okay so most of the research act ah for conformity actually err in education actually portray the positive thing because, ah of the classroom you know management measures concerns you know like in a class, okay when teachers teaching you keep quiet you don't talk when the teacher is talking you sit down you raise your hand if you want to leave the class you know all that you know simple simple conformity that are become


err moral and value which is actually important because when you grew up when you go into work you don't just you know leave the office and then disappear for thirty minutes and then no one know where you are, am I right to say that


okay


(mmhmm) okay okay so I I


okay why why will you said that delivery men or policemen do not need conformity, okay then how about discipline wise, and moral values


okay so you don't need the school to instill you know these knowledge at all just home


(mmhmm), okay now for now right if you see you know our uh now singapore itself conformity has already been embedded into our society and it's already a difficult concept for many to see as something that has already become too powerful because everybody is you know already adhering to it


you know so efficiency in teaching don't care whether you have one example or you know many example many example teachers you know , every learner goes through the same process and comes out exactly the same at the other end get what I mean from this stage then come out this stage the same one go PSLE everybody go PSLE one go O level all go O level you know then oh yeah of course it's already ah


based on the ability lah you know some will be O levels some will be A level you know then we have our tertiary education and all, all these actually add up to the epitome of good practice for these confirmity with the methods already being specially you know specifically targeted


to of perfection through techniques you know such as direct instruction or such as you know the rules that they set for the school of our work doesn't matter what goes into the system we all know exactly you know what were emerged at the end


like any good factory system you know where you check you do QC you do QA or whatever you know quality control you know built to ensure at the end of it you just want


okay okay I might want to disagree on that when you mentioned that parents may are that students have parents and they may have different you know wants or you know needs, at the current you know I I at the current situation now err what we see is that all parents are already you know becoming err more and more advanced everybody is you know chasing after good schools good grades good you know aggregates course and all that everybody's like competing they making their kids competing against each other


okay so how do you say that you know you you as a parent you know you have a different you know thing


, okay okay, so again based on again you are referring to based on the individual students, alright what they have interest in and all that, okay I just feel that you know there's nothing wrong with conformity because in a world that you know err


with all you know all these countries with high value on social conformity right I feel that you know this form of foundation is actually one of the largest and most influential because without conformity where will we be in the world, you know there's no rules there's no err you know regulation to tell us what we can or cannot do you know everything will be haywire without millions of conforming graduates entering society every year just a form that modern commercial or you know industrial or can be military even how could we function


without conformity so the agony this educational or you know exhibition is actually doing exactly what it was designed to do to produce a predictable and compliant population


(mmhmm),


(mmhmm), oh okay any any likes specific reason as to why you know these school of students oppose to conformity what what do you think like


what will be the main reason


okay okay, okay I I get I get your point maybe where you know two different individuals these you know okay so what I would like to emphasize here is just that you know the physical layout or structure, of you know the whole conformity experience


actually enforce the need for these conformity you know for example you know like we are talking now about students in school sitting in rows or a round tables in assign places facing the approved direction not interacting socially with your peers you know like maybe you're in the hall you're not allowed to


thought changing lessons at the sound of a bell you know even changing lessons you know the bell ring everybody know okay its the next subject or it's recess time you know, then after that wearing the approves school uniform you know cut your hair this way only these you know these hair length is acceptable in school not all these simple simple conformity actually addressing the teach us in a standardized way


nothing to do with learning except in you know the minds of those who truly believe that learning cannot take place except in completely controlled conditions, uh you you can say that you know conformity is like you know , sitting in a control condition but I don't think so because learning is in another thing and then conformity is another thing


okay yes I understand you know the physical constraints imposed by you know like the education systems are actually not just one time events, they had you know make up lessons they have you know remedial classes and all that to pull out students who are not able to finish there overall who one not able to you know do that particular subject you know it's actually all these right all these make up you know lessons or makeup


classes are actually a systematic process that actually ensures that the non-conformist uh tendencies are actually extinguished as soon as possible from every individual and then the system increases their requirements for conformity in order to succeed for years to come


in the human lifespan so behind all these physical conformity with education comes the academic conformity why is it that if you know that particular individual is a mathematical genius, and could do complex algebraic manipulations in his head but


cannot receive credit for what he can do, you know just because you know there's no conformity, just because there's no conformity you know everything is on it's own like you know he has his own interests he has he has his own capability he has his own ability you know just because there's no conformity no one is following any rules and regulation you just do whatever you can do whatever you want to do you know


on your own time on your own target you know there's nothing at the end of it, so ya what about that ya


okay so topic three we are actually considering the view err that most people these days could and should be educated from home


okay so uh I feel that who err home schooling actually foster deeper connections between , kids the children and parents and then allows a more tailored approach to education you know accommodating the family's schedule among other positive effects also can also leave the children err from you know isolated from other children and social interaction without


the resources offered by you know the normal schools so before deciding whether or not to home school their kids is important to actually as a main you know some of the facts, the clear advantages as well as the challenges that you know homeschooling can actually face so


four of the boys that you know I managed to err find out about is actually the err place of homeschooling one on one attention attention so they prefer, for ah for home schooling you know many experts actually recommended modifying the home to create a classroom real effect or feel you know designated specially for schooling so while this transformation can be a bit you know


are costly you know depending on the extent the potential benefits are many so being together in that classroom, every day actually enable your kids to spend one on one, time with you you know just you teaching I'm not talking about you know engaging tutors to come over to teach their kids I'm I'm talking about just the err solely the parents or either father or mother you know teaching the kid him or herself


okay so not only this can potentially strengthen the parent-child relationship but also give you that time to devote special attention to exactly what your children need to learn, and you can actually see what your kid can do you know yourself


without checking with teachers without checking with tutors oh how is my kid done all these while you know so if they require more time to concentrate on a particular subject or lesson you actually free to spend extra time necessary to ensure that they fully understand the concepts you know without your


you know changing your timetable or you know rescheduling you know the week, or you know the days and all that so, this kind of homeschooling class can actually pause at anytime without the usual pressure to keep up with other children because it's just that you know the student itself with you what do you think


(mmhmm)


okay okay okay thank you thank you for bringing that up


okay what if okay what if you know there are certain you know ministries or you know parties that able to help these low income you know students just to make this homeschooling work, yeah do you think they will you know agree to it or does it you know help them better


(mmhmm) okay okay


okay so that we are talking about the parents timing okay okay let's let's just, err put it aside for awhile maybe we talk about the err flexible timing or the flexible schedule that we actually are


having advantage on while doing his homeschooled you nowl kids who need you know different scheduled may benefit from taking part in you know traditional schooling but those who require a more you know flexible schedule can actually prosper in a homeschooled environment still prosper because this flexible schedule actually allow parents to take


time you know uh for a doctors' appointments or private lessons or if you're child is sick you know lessons can wait until they're feeling better you know like you know you don't have to like confirm to you know going to school and all that so if your kids, are more productive during certain hours of the day than err you know lessons can also be reserved for that period of day only but if your child is having a particularly bad day you know throwing tantrums and all that they don't feel they don't have to feel overwhelmed you know when


by going to school instead they can learn in the comfort of their own home, you know at their own timing like maybe now I'm feeling bad I don't want to do with the work now I wanna do later one hour later okay sure by all means because you're always there the classroom is there everything is there you know and instead of like you know going to school you know no matter what you still have to attend school whether you're having a bad day or not whether you are crying this morning or not you will still have to go to school


what do you think of that, yeah aside aside from the parents timing now we are talking about the kids timing you know yeah,


, oh so you are you are so meaning you're you are targeting on whether the house is the home is conducive enough for learning, okay okay what if okay what I can see is that for this kind of cases maybe this will be the minority I I don't know whether it'll be you know the majority in or the


minority of the community but what if you know the ministries can do something about it you know either in that, err home itself or to pull the student out, to another home just to have this you know home school learning, you know maybe grab two or three students you know going through the same thing you know just because their home is not conducive enough you know you just pull them out to you know have lessons at another (mmhmm)


if the home is not conducive enough


but these students not able to do, but this this minority students are not able to, okay for in that case okay in that case err I'm not sure exactly you know what the ministry can do to help


you know these students who you know don't have the materials like you know wifi or you know computers or PC or laptops to you know help them learn you know online without any , I will still feel that err I was still cover the fact that are home schooling is better


but I will maybe put aside you know the group that you mention, you know those that you know having their home not conducive enough maybe they don't have the materials or they don't have, or or their parents cannot teach them as for what you mention not all parents can teach right so maybe this group of people err this group of students we can you know target you know maybe we can work on something to actually apply homeschooled to them but maybe at a different location or maybe at their place but maybe we have to provide the you know


facilities provide the things provide the materials for them yeah


, (mmhmm) (mmhmm) okay


okay what if the you know what you mentioned the isolation the studying okay the home schooling at home that's just a homeschooling part not going into public schools you know not going to the government's schools just that part only


but on weekends you know or week more maybe at nights in the evening you know you have dinner with your family and all that the parents still can you know bring their kids out you know they may have relatives they may have cousins they may have you know family friends whom they interact with their other children and all that I don't think that'll be a problem you know they still you know


because home based learning has actually a few advantages ya as per mentioned just now earlier the flexible schedule you know the the things that he can you know learn and all that and also maybe something that err I can bring from I think our first debate or second debate


about learning err you know their interest you see if you home school them you can you know take up their interest you know at school okay let's say you can blend science with cooking if your child is obsess with a particular object maybe like trains or you know dinosaurs you can work that into your curriculum


but at school you cannot tell the teacher that !hey! my son like dinosaur can you talk more about dinosaurs


hold on err okay these homeschooling I think these homeschooling topic I think you just apply to whoever that is you know, agree agree to these err home schooling, ya not all will you know agree to home schooling some will still prefer the public schools ya


so for myself as I mention err for these topic yeah I will agree on it because I feel that they are disadvantages that I can you know look onto that I feel that is quite relevant


okay okay okay err what, definitely needs one then okay can err I see the point there okay oh in public schools they are, so many crowded classrooms I think one classrooms is about thirty to forty students okay because of the big size or amount of the students I fit I personally feel that it's not effective for the children to learn many things because they will be hard to ask a question and master the material you know one person is asking then the other person is asking and then


after that the teacher will just say okay next you know we are moving onto next, I hope you all understand that will stop students at the back of the class that actually don't understand but not able to raise their hand maybe they're shy or maybe they're just you know just scared you know afraid to raise questions and all that okay so it's just hard you know it's not effective for the children to learn many things just because they you know some


of them have difficulty to ask the question or master that material so it happens because the teacher was focused on twenty to thirty students in that big class you know some children who do not like school or study also give a big impact to other students because why they like to disturb the, friend or make a joke or laugh at them or say you know unkind things or whatever lah you know


yeah besides thats


okay okay okay actually , for for here for this part here I feel that err home schooling you know have personal attention because just now you were mentioning that you know can stay back after, class to ask questions and all that but for home schooling you know everything is there just you the kid the student and the parent such a role will actually understand more about the materials quickly instead of lagging behind because they do not understand everything can be asked immediately


because it’s just one-to-one attention just the kid and the parent, okay so the kid can have more time and , more can ask more things you know instead of just, err one question so the parents only focuses on him or her, at that particular time


you know so err I will say the more the attention span is more, you know so that can work on the particular topic that he or she is lagging in can work more on it because you know homeschooling is just the two of you, ya so ya that's what I feel about you know homeschooling


okay okay this part here right I can be in conformity thats why we need conformity where you set rules and regulations you know in even in your home you know I think everyone even the student you know, the students and the parents can err adhere to it can follow it you know follow conformity you know follow the timetable you set the timetable you know in public school in governments school you have timetables to follow according to you know the periods and the subjects so at home you know that too the same thing so that the student or the child can follow to it can adhere to it


that's why uh at based on our second topic earlier, the conformity is important you see even in for homeschool you need conformity


okay plus this is the parent plus this the parent itself you know he the parent the father or the mother teaching the kid knows the kid well knows the kid inside out, you know the relationship is there you know the undesrtanding, you know the err whether the child can do it or not you know everything is there


it's just that you know whether the home is conducive enough, whether that you know they have all the materials or whatever they need for home school yeah other than that I think relationship wise you know everything is there because the parent is the best teacher


err, okay well basically for my side I would definitely definitely said that the education wise it shouldn't be on what is just useful but it should also be like an all rounded err


education cause you never know that what you okay whatever that you are learning in school right now like not at definitely like not all is supposed to be used in the future but it is actually to test our limits and expand our mind education education itself right should


, should be able to disseminate practical knowledge instead of just a textbook err teachings so it's like it definitely needs creativity and developing like a, new ideas or theories like for example those err that particular things ah is just as equally important to actually move the modern society forward like for example the the previous times like we'd be educated like okay err


follow through whatever that it has been given to us but not all students are able to err adhere to it likes for certain students they do definitely have err their setbacks and you know like , it's it's actually err what do you call that


okay it will actually have does save time err like we spend on things that we never ant to but instead we use that time err during during their education wise to actually make ourselves better of what we are like uh of what we liked doing, instead of like okay okay this


the mainstream and then we need to follow but you know like err I do not like that particular subject then I still need to follow but actually no my setback is that oh actually I like a certain subject and I would like to pursue that particular subject, no so for my side I actually education must err focus on what err is most useful to students rather than just implementing it straight away yeah


yeah but the thing is that okay with because I have I have a a small kids so I understand that when you want to start something that has had is the similar err


a similar education path right, but like what I say previously the students itself they have different choices that they want to pursue in for example for now okay you you might you might be teaching maths or you might be teaching A B C but the thing is that particular student they wouldn't want to learn A B C instead they want to learn art


you know so it's it's different context it is different uh acceptance to each and every students, yeah


err I would say I would say as through my through my observance and through my err experience in in having a lot of err as in with students and as well as my ah niece and nephews it's actually about it's about like


five years old and above because as at five years old and above what like what I've seen is that certain students they like to prioritise like, time on things that they would want to learn instead of ah okay this is what you have to do this is your homework this is your task you have to finish it but instead of finishing that task they would do other things that to them they feel that this is what I want to pursue


yeah


okay let's say let's say about kids right because kids definitely they they're they're very white they are very open like if you wanted, teach them A B C you cannot be teaching like textbook wise you know you have to broaden up you have to broaden up and see okay each individual kid how best to actually educate them


uh with regards to A B C it's not like okay okay err I give you this particular textbook you follow this textbooks you know so it's not like in in order for you to determine and teach the kids you need to understand the kids better, I would say that yeah it err instead of just a following through


while well I would say actually from our from our time used to err our teachers used to understand each and individual students because experience wise is that each students have their own capabilities of understanding err each language or each subject


so in order for them to understand the teacher should be around yeah so they the teacher should be, able to what you call that the teacher should be able to err, read through as in read through how each kids


err way of learning


correct correct I understand your point and err my point is that err I would agree but I would also opposed to that my conclusion is that the education right we must moderately be educated on things that might be useful, in some way but not in always in in your life but it's all about prioritizing the usefulness of of those subjects that you gonna brought up err in future


err sorry err I was saying that , err it's all about priority prioritizing the usefulness of things, of of the subjects yeah


you hold on a moment ah I I close the windows first


okay


no we just now the last one I said that , uh it started about prioritizing, yup


well you definitely have to expose them right yeah you definitely have to expose them if for example , if for example the subject is only EMS english maths science but the art wise the music wise is not being implemented or or other subjects is not being implemented in the system then err you would definitely and you are unable to expose the kids err interest you know


okay (mmhmm) okay


okay do you have anything else to say, ya so for for mine my closure would be that we must be err educated enough to know that every option given err and and the job in life has its own important lah this is what we actually needed in the long run is it's not just about education itself ya


yeah but ah I would say that like


well if you are talking about arts and music they definitely don't have err err afford an interview form stated that oh do you do math, do you know maths as a as a start where in, arts you need maths you know in music uh we need we need a plus two to to create err that that sound we definitely don't need that what so


yeah my my my my setback is it's about that so it's not it's not just about EMS but it's about others err languages or or subject as well, like , english yes you definitely prioritize english because everywhere everywhere you go you need english yah but other subjects ya I'm talking about other subjects yeah


like what I said just now, yeah arts yup correct


but to me I think rather than you just , rather than you just err imply or apply to all right you should actually err pick and select instead of err okay you have to do arts for all you have to do music for all you have to do err err science for all but not all students are like what I said not all students are are able to


err excel in that particular subject, ya like I previously mentioned you can actually err


you can actually browsed through err their likes and dislikes from there err you expose them to like okay this certain subjects you have to do these items these things but instead of them just going diving straight into it they can have a choice


they should have a choice yeah


well you can actually err you you, err you can actually not just sift through but uh for example you you can have the same err education system but in err I would say that you should what do you call that err instead of having the same system right you just intervene


like you have another session or you have another class which you can actually select okay these students uh okay uh goes to this particular subject the other students goes to this particular subject which they are interested in rather than you have


the full uh timetable to it, yeah


yes definitely that's what I'm trying to say ya


yeah definitely, because like like I said previously not all students err err are excelling in what they they as in the area that


they are given to do ya


well err rules are meant to be broken but well, actually uh it's like creating it okay this conformity right it's just like creating a pattern on students' behaviour rather than you know thinking whereby not all students are like-minded


like uh which uh like with each other for example like currently our education system some sort of like, forces the students to take up music lesson and to have a music recorder flute as a start come on like can you enlighten me which part does a recorder flute helps them in future like okay err I'm gonna apply a job for example uh I'm gonna apply a social as a social worker


how does a social worker have that recorder flute to start, ya so like to me okay, like err for example like the previous topic right I mentioned that we should actually select


and err we should actually err see through what are the kids interest and what are the kids a kids likes and dislike so it's like for example how are you to decide whether the art and music or or science is for everyone where not everyone has the same likes and dislikes right


yeah but do you remember when when we're young the teachers used to ask what would you like to do when you grow up, remember okay so that that particular sentence what would you like to do what you what would you like to become when you grow up


so for example when from that particular sentence you would able to depict err okay this student he wants to be a policeman he wants to be a doctor or he wants to be an artist, so from there you can actually depict and you can actually select oh okay this kid's interest is this way this kid interest is to develop their likes and dislikes