we do have sex I mean uh sex education or, uh I mean, about drug abuse and all in even in primary school nowadays, so I guess it just prepare them, for a world for for I mean for this world that I mean a lot of things are happening in the world right so and


uh sex is also uh quite, open nowadays so it's also prepare the young that uh they should know what is their right what is their wrong so, and if you do not have education they also


yup uh uh


okay as I was saying uh, in school nowadays actually they already started in primary school as well, uh, that they do, do, teach about sex education and about, all these drug abuse and and all to the young individuals


so that they know what is right and what is wrong so without education, they, uh like I said it will mould them to be a better person so without education they wouldn't, wouldn't have proper guidance


on yeah on growing up (ppc) uh uh


, I mean true yeah even they are educated but it's their choice to to, to to yeah to have friends (hmm)


okay yup, but it's a choice of uh individuals as well right so, , some people do hit guidance but some people don't hit guidance you know like if you are taught this way you will learn this way but some people just have their own choice


you know like even you are taught this way no you you do you cannot take drugs but yeah with influences of friends also , even with yeah


it does that you've heard about it, , I mean it's important as well but, yeah experiences, and with influence is also important, but education is also the basic


(hmm) okay, so uh what you are saying again if they are kicked out of their house, uh how would they save up !huh! survive


, yes probably they will have difficulty at first but for sure they will with education right again with education if you have education a better education you will have a proper job I mean yes it's not easy to find a proper job


yeah, some in singapore as well but then, they will still survive I mean they will still find a job for themselves I mean like for example if they're kicked out of the house then they will get something for to for survival but after that uh it's still education that you need to find a


proper job, uh, uh


it is taught in school but, uh, probably at a later stage but with education you will have a better finance and that's where you can actually, manage your finance and your chores but (hmm), I mean


I it's not it's not only about money but money do makes the world goes around right, I mean without education you won't have a proper job without proper job you won't have, uh proper finance as well and without uh uh


and without proper planning also you won't have proper, finance proper plan I mean if you you don't have proper planning you won't have, a proper life uh uh


right I agree yup, to a certain level yes I do agree


but, they do have finance uh, like courses, in schools as well right that they will guide you along on how to prepare,


no I mean not that I mean like in a later stage when you can take courses where they will, teach you on how to have a proper planning like finance planning or yeah I mean there are so many courses nowadays in, in different sectors that you can


K, okay book serve little purpose in education as technological developments become more sophisticated how far do you agree


uh okay yes agreed to a very great extent, as technology is definitely are able to replace books, , we are living in this world where technology is very important like for example


uh tablets or ipads, uh where they are able to store a, huge amount of uh materials, and it's also better for the young individuals where


where they do not have to carry a lot of books I remember when when in my old days where do you have to carry a lot of books, to go to school so like now it's just simply by a laptop or just a tablet to just to go to school but you still have a huge amount of materials in that


ipad or laptop, so I I do agree technology is definitely able to replace books, yup


(hmm)


yup, okay but, as you can see nowadays also we have, uh E books in, in everywhere I mean you when can easily just download them, right, so probably they haven't moved a hundred per cent where


libraries are still available for individuals who like I mean, hard copies but uh, slowly we already have E books materials like that that you can find in play store or everywhere in your


device where you can just click and download, and you can get the same content as books, rather than uh I mean it it it also depends on individuals uh which one do you prefer but then in, this modern world I I believe


most of us prefer, technology like, tablets phones, laptops where even young individuals are also already start using them already I mean during our time yes uh we do not use phone when we are


six seven years old but nowadays all the kids are also using all these, technology already where their parents already taught them in the and when they are young to use all these technology, and, I also believe that


we most of us are actually visual learners, and probably no then with, such advanced technological developments it also provide, uh interactive learning, where I think the students are able to


to uh, grasps more the what I mean the concept, easily, yup


okay, so you mentioned uh, , eh it's so basically uh you mentioned about health, right so but, technology also is at uh is actually yes okay for relation I do agree I do agree on that but then uh if you carry too much books I mean yes you have locker but then you have homeworks as well when you need to bring back all your books


right so if you, I mean in terms on health yes, uh, it's probably good or bad also that probably some students might find it problem in carrying such a heavy I mean, especially young students right they can't be carrying one kg or two kg of stuffs on their shoulder I mean if you want to talk about health it is also harmful for them


right with one easy, uh, uh ipad where you can get everything, what book have, you can also get them, in ipads or tablets and uh in


schools nowadays also there are they already start to use laptops for their, uh learning, and it is more interactive I guess for most of the students, yup


and they like they will give variations like you have videos you have uh reading materials everything that you can find in a book it will be in one just one easy easy, laptop that you can just bring to school, and uh I believe it's more interactive


rather than just reading books yeah, yup yup


(hmm) correct but, uh using facebook or I mean using social media or, getting distracted is more about discipline, that uh, they can discipline themselves by not uh using all these


err, social media or games when they are, studying, and probably in school also they are not allowed to use, social media they are not allowed to play games while they are on their laptop, yeah I mean


yeah the teacher won't allowed right so yeah it's more about discipline but if you want to say book I mean I do agree that books serve little purpose as technological development as uh, yup as I guess it's much more easier


I mean in books books are important, but, compared to technological I mean technological I mean like, technology like tablet or ipads I guess they are much more better, than books


okay, okay but uh by disciplining disciplining them when they are young is also helping them when they are, I mean when they grow up, where you will get disciplined as well when you are at work right so


everywhere we are using laptops, and how many percent in the whole world are using laptops nowadays, you can say a lot right so by disciplining them when they are young it will also help them when they grow up and when it can also applies when they uh


uh, a grown individual at work


that's not true ,


oh, like I mentioned uh, uh I think like, how many percent I mean everyone is as already start using the technological development I mean the technological like a laptop or ipads so I guess we are just


, following you know the the what is changing in the world, I mean uh of course uh people some people still prefer hardcopy rather than, uh laptops


but it also depends on individual but uh, uh I feel , moving forward, uh, yeah technology is important


okay so uh, let's put it uh probably in singapore singapore we have financial aids, uh from, social social service centres uh they do okay let's just put like this COVID situation everybody is learning from


laptop, right so if you you say uh uh books are more important than laptops, we if the kids won't be going to school right they will they will just depend on books so uh as we have laptops we have ipads so that's why they they can do zoom with their teachers where they still can continue learning even though


the situation is quite, bad in the uh I mean what is happening in the world right now, right, so if you you want to we just want to depends on book only


the students will just be sitting at home without further learning during this situation,


, a bit, uh


, not really I mean it serve, a purpose for, like emergencies like now okay yes like you said you can't predict the future we might not know if COVID will last for ten years right so,


having laptops actually do help the students, if this COVID will last for ten years the students can also learn at home for ten years I mean if you want to depend on book, uh they would, if the situation get better okay but if the situation get worse then they could just stop their their learning over there right and if you want to said about uh


financial singapore have a lot of financial help (ppc) and a lot of people are receiving laptops from the school from financial help as well during this COVID , yup so I think, financial we do have a lot of helps in singapore for


people who can't purchase a laptop, so, I guess laptops technology tablets are still, better than books uh I mean books are good for I mean for people who prefer hardcopy but


uh for, for convenience I think, technology like tablet or laptops or phone are still, more better


, yes, I do agree books are, books serve, but, but I think technology is book uh serve more purpose in education rather than books I don't agree in books serve little


purpose in education, I mean I do agree books serve little purpose in education as technological development I don't agree with what you say, because I I still think technology like tablets like laptop or whatever technology that we have ipads still serve a


major purpose in education with like I mentioned, upon hundred percent I guess, ninety five per cent I mean who do not have a handphone everybody have a handphone prob probably okay five percent do not have informed so it it


in handphone also you can have educations right we can learn a lot from handphones as well so it does uh matters it just serve a lot of purpose in technology rather than books, that's what pete


true, but what you can get in books you can get in internet also like I mentioned also we have e-books which is exactly the same as books , so you it's just uh books in internet, where you can easily just, click and download it's the same content as books


debate topic three, okay so is education the most powerful tool we can use to make world a better place


so uh yes, education uh it's the same thing like the topic one, education is the most powerful tool, uh


it's actually a skills like uh social skills where uh, students can interact with one another with uh this important skills which is uh education where they are taught, from young I mean education doesn't stop


education can be from young till when you are old you still can learn right so it's actually uh for me I I guess it's actually uh, uh, a strong basis a powerful tool where you can make world a better place but, yup


and it also prepare the young also in terms of uh, academic like I also like I mentioned just now it can also milk uh mould, someone I mean make a young individuals to become what they want when they grow up


yup, okay


okay crimes are crimes belongs to, discipline but if you have education, like


it also prepares them right I mean you, , I mean like uh if you learn in school like probably drug abuse, you have that topic in school right, then uh it can also prepare them for uh, uh


I mean if you do not have education you don't have, proper learning about drugs right, so if you have proper learning about drugs then you know that you it is wrong to abuse drugs, when you grow up


so they do teach about, drug abuse your teacher do tell you uh stealing is bad, you know you can get all these uh by guidance from the educators, and it does make the world a better place because you will put this


guidance this uh practice in use for the future yeah


uh not really , education yes, but uh yup higher education yes, uh you mean like what higher education


okay so, uh you're talking about crimes only but at we also have education where uh, the young individuals would study, more on, medical that's where you have the nurses and doctors and that's where you make a world a better place too right


yup so without education you wouldn't have uh medical students and without medical students uh you can't make the world a better place uh also with this situation right now COVID if we do not have education and (ppc) you don't have any medicals


students, uh how, how can we cure the world without medical students, yup `


okay, so uh basically, what you have uh, list out uh leaders world leaders, they they are world leaders they have no choice but they have to make a world a better place I mean they they don't have a choice they are leading the country right but if you are talking about individuals which is which are not world leaders like a normal human being uh like us


right, education is still important , it is also the powerful tool uh to make the world a better place I mean don't talk about uh world leaders, like I mentioned just now but, like I I mentioned if we do not have education we wouldn't have successful lawyers who can defend


somebody, defend somebody who is probably who that who, doesn't, create a crime I mean doesn't commit a crime, but yup you won't have, powerful lawyers like uh Subhas-Anandan, right if he he subhas anandan also have the his backgrounds but with education that made him stronger


with people like him normal individuals like him and us that can make a world a better place, that's what I feel


yes okay so okay that are the individuals that you named, but how many of of those type of individuals do we have that do not have education but can make the world a better place, I think a


uh maybe upon maybe uh, upon ten, probably one, , right, I mean, yes we do have individuals that are are successful even without educations but how many of them do we have


in the world yeah I think we do not have, but I mean education is still important because it is a basic, uh to guide you along to yeah, for your I mean to make the world a better place


right (hmm)


but do you you hear that that we have six hundred thousand mark zuckerberg no so, ya (hmm), okay, so probably I was wrong I'm sorry ,


maybe one out of a hundred, okay !oho! yes


okay true uh yes individuals, are are important, to make the world a better place, like uh steve jobs like yeah, or the one that you are mentioning, but, without education they are still learning they might doing they might not have the education that they learnt since young but to create a facebook they still need education right


they still need to uh, uh know on how to uh probably some certain skills that they need to take up, to, to organise to plan, so it's still education it's not only about uh learning during young


it's also learning when you are, are grown up so it's still part of education and so by, yup they might not have the education when they are young but uh for them to create something like iphones create, uh laptops create


yes whatever they are creating now they are successful they still need education they still need uh learning so I guess education is still a powerful tools to make a world a better place because without that knowledge they wouldn't have , they wouldn't just think oh I need to create a facebook okay did I will just create it without learning on how to create one so it's still education so it's still powerful


it's still a powerful tool, okay


yes I wouldn't be able to create a facebook or phone, with little knowledge like you mentioned that's why I do not have any knowledge on how to create one but they also do not have any knowledge on how to create one but they learnt on how to create one


so and by learning is also education it's part of education so I guess education is still powerful, because without learning without education on how to create one they, they can't make this world a better place


okay, steve job uh created iphones right, and uh steve job is no longer around right, but iphones are still created because he relay the message I mean I mean I I am not sure how it works over there but iphones are still created and how by uh


uh, passing on to uh generations uh all these informations so by learning on how to create iphones, is still part of education, so, I guess it's still back to the topic education is still the most powerful tool


yup, so yes yeah you are right uh, uh they failed so many times but even in uh, learning in school, we failed so many times also probably maybe yeah just failed failed and uh it doesn't stop us


to continue learning, to, to to make ourselves a better person and also to make a world a better place, yes we can fail so many times but still education is still important, I I mean yeah


I failed in secondary school as well but I didn't stop there I mean I still continue learning it's still education like you mentioned uh, those people that you mentioned yes they failed so many times but still they continue learning to step up to buck up so without learning without education they they will just stop there and just fail


so I guess education is still the most powerful tool, yup


yes okay as you can see as you as you know so they are still creating a vaccine for COVID they didn't stop there, right, they are still learning on I mean, these are also part of education they are still finding the, err err


perfect vaccine probably they already created one, but it failed, but that doesn't mean uh education is not powerful because without education you wouldn't know how to create vaccine right so, when they failed like uh you you probably emphasise on failing but by learning like I I mean yes they failed but they don't stop there they learn and they learnt how to and one day I'm sure they will still have a vaccine for COVID hopefully


and yeah they keep on learning to have a proper vaccine for us yes probably cancer do not have cure but they do have therapy, they do have uh chemo like uh yeah and, without education they wouldn't learn on how to create chemo to


for all these uh, patients also right so they they do have cure and without educations you wouldn't have uh, vaccines cure, for all the diseases


like yeah so that's what I feel, uh


yes true correct uh because, COVID,


true but without education also they would probably give up at day one, okay so because they have education they want to, yeah okay if you are talking about the nurses and doctors yes they, they gave up, because they do have families that they have to think about, but with education


uh it, and like with education you have medical uh, uh certificates and no , if you want to compare of the nurses and doctors that gave up, uh most probably because they have families right so with education


uh it will still make a world a better place because they know uh, they are medical students and they are nurses and doctors that they need to save the world, yup, not , yes you might hear like uh


some individuals do give up, probably because of their personal reasons but, most of them oh also, helped to make the world a better place and to contain COVID


K started okay, what is the aim ah the the ah, okay okay you know and and beneath uh okay


okay there's no such thing as bad publicity it's how it reached on ah the other side of the, err, opponents who are watching it they see, I agree to this uh there's no, bad publicity in the it's, okay uh


I mean you don't show the face when they're actually putting up this there are many pro uh mood I mean there is some uh uh some, shows they are actually conducting on this uh see but they the usually blank out that means it's a the division is dark and they are telling their their their what they went through how they felt I mean they are


sharing they are telling and advising others to be stopped as what you said the you you came out with that example saying that the person is uh publicizing about the crime and this thing, I mean whatever they have done, they have done they are actually telling them to the public


and uh try uh inform them not to do this kind of mistakes and these things , so it's not a bad publicity it's actually advising to the other parties not to be in, you don't want to go through that path caught in these things see, okay (mmhmm) okay okay uh


this was way back I think this is nineteen sixty, they do this you see put the like caning and these things nowadays their reprimanding is, pretty professional, I see schools, and handling children's and these things they will actually bring their parents


a meeting section and they will talk they also, respects students' privacies everything in fact uh even uh uh criminals when they uh, uh actually get getting there's a psychiatrics oldest speaking right they will don't disclose uh this person particulars


and in uh in screens in the open screens in DB uh I mean in the talk shows and these things they will actually blank out those days maybe it is it is done you see but after they have improved improvised because of uh


it is (ugh) they couldn't get job opportunities and this kind of uh a lot of uh disagreements and these things they actually block out, err by publicising the faces only, they allow them to talk it out


and then sort and try to uh mutualised like they will try to mutual you by talking this is what happened to me don't do it you know that kind of thing what they went through actually it's the best for, the the person who at who went through the uh uh the whole emotion situation to talk out rather than uh somebody else


who has no experience talking about that they see so they can share much more things, so I think it's best that you have to publicity in the sense privacy is uh blocked there, uh but yeah okay okay uh that


one is a different concept okay those who know it's a mistake and do it don't you think it uh it is necessary for us to publicise, like swindling I was if if they do it deliberately, they know it's an offence and they do it


mean that one you have to publicise you see there will be a, but, it you are trying to avoid the person is, it yes there's no sudden uh yeah that the okay uh okay uh I mean the publicity you are saying is uh if


if it it matters if the the the grading is important you see grading is important like uh if it is an offensive one, then it's offensive you see like certain swindling of money and there are these high class people who swindles money and these things you don't publicise then they they won't know what is happening


okay so, it's not a bad publicity, they, yes betters but they should know their perception they know they are in a position they supposed to watch out what they are doing and these things, they should


uh money laundering all these the level of err I mean uh crime you have to watch all these level of crime right so they were actually charged by in uh in accordance you see this kind of a reformative these are reformative that they that means they have a chance


to reform themself actually they go for counselling and these things but for those uh swindling when they are in high position and these they know it's a mistake and they do it, then it should be in light to public also


it's not a good publicity but you shouldn't be doing it , has a has a higher authorities uh so you yeah I


so social media is a big uh very vast scope you see, so everything is publicised that means what you have to go through the thing let's say you know this these guys renews money and you want to go through him again, do you want to go through that whole channel again for me I will try to avoid I I see the person I say no I know about you I didn't want so publicity is depends on which level you know he's a fraud


and cheat you have to public, it's a bad publicity but it's good for public, I mean it's one person, it that that person definitely he he knows it and he did it that's it you see


because him he actually they but but he knows the uh


I mean he knows it's a bad pub he knows there is a , this is, wrong and he pub actually he is doing it deliberately so why shouldn't, there a publicity about himself bad publicity is on his uh is his is his own


tax you see (uh huh) , so is it it's true it's true already then they have to go through these the whole thing right


it's for them but it's good for their for us, , it's good for us the thing is the idea was if it was good for us we are avoiding things , ninety nine per cent reassert served already one percent he is a very odd myth that he has to go through


it's bad for him maybe it's, uh it it's bad for him but ninety nine per cent I'm saving uh for my ninety nine per cent I'll go for the one person I will rather go for the ninety nine per cent you see so there is no bad


bad, it depends and how you take it and how you do it also so for me I am a social media person always I'll uh buck up on the social media anything I don't get it done I'll email to them no answer I'll publish


and the next minute they doing things for me, so you tell me this am I bad person no right , yes


ya it's a bad publicity because you can't provide the service good service for me, (hmm) no though from the okay okay


it depends on how you take it for me I'll take social media I'll try to analyse things and I will avoid things if I can save myself going through bad publicity, I mean (ugh) (ugh) from a bad (ugh) bad things I'll I rather go for, I will take it you see I will take the publicity bad publicity also I'll say okay this guy is service is totally totally down


so I I don't want to anyone to be like scapegoat, go to this err services all these things for me I'll I'll just write please don't go to the services the next minute they call me I'll write write the report also I say this guy called me and then uh he was telling okay he's doing some service recovery so he also gained in another way service recovery you see but those who don't do just


take the money and uh lost in a sense that we can't find them at all there are many uh like , what the renovation companies all these things, have stolen the money and they went went off is that the publicity we created no that image is created by themself


image so bad publicity is on individual, I don't think it's it's bad a bad for them okay I mean uh


it's individuals individuals, individuals loads


okay uh I don't agree with it uh has bad publicity it's because it's warning each other like, don't go to him you know he's a spoiler he's a market , spoiler means I won't go to him so actually the publicity depends on individual


your performance your performance is important so bad publicity is because, you cannot meet the target, the the timeline , you can't meet the target you cannot err I mean err give the results to me that is bad publicity okay


that publicity is because of your behaviour, and it's uh your effort what you have done, bad publicity that means the person is lousy, that's all


so I I won't put them in in in my err list, as in top priority I'll put the I will totally take out erase off for me the record would be erased off, uh not bad ha


bad publicity it depends on individual I will say, to me saving publicity that's all, okay there is no such thing


no bad publicity but it depends on individual as I so, I told you uh individual, okay there are two uh one's man's poison is another's man nectar in these things


(mmhmm) (mmhmm) uh to me


I'll verify things if they are capable I'll test them if not capable I'll just leave them so, publicity is actually is all individual so you have to perform something, and then you know you want to get a good name and this thing that is publicity for me


okay you you know you can't produce the results then don't put yourself there don't put your yourself into a laughing stock lah, I'll just, close like uh don't, yeah for the bad publicity (uh huh) okay


K I mean it depends on the pro and cons, for me publicity means err like a CPF statements all these things, they say you can go into go into here go into that uh, like a insurance all this is good publicity definitely these are actually knowledge publicity


so I will gain as err there is no such thing as bad publicity unless the person does the things himself and and he knows it's a it's a bad intention and he do it you see so that that kind of thing bad bad publicity if you are going to highlight that then it's bad you see you know and you do it uh other than that the knowledge wise uh insurance wise and and many others they used to put in this you can do this like in uh in this COVID situation they will tell you uh you can collect from here and collect from there the mask you can go here if you have problem all this kind of thing publicity was awesome for me so depends on the where the publicity in ah how you see it you see to me I see this kind of publicity are very good knowledgeable uh where singaporeans can learn and others also will learn


okay, okay yeah yesterday ha


uh I


yes more educating rather the than uh entertaining okay uh, because uh most of them they learn from this err like technologies or device they can watch in internet they can actually function on it like err in television they will say uh they will advertise on this uh this page that page and these things so I think it's more educating rather than err err


entertaining


uh okay uh what I think is err like the the drama and these things are actually to these err


livings livings styles you see so actually it's educating the youngsters especially the youngsters , how they were uh worked through in school how challenging how err people, can be sabotaging and this kind of it is also educating the staffs I mean students so most of the uh


most of the shows I find that television purpose and educate uh educating all them to err I mean prevent, all err all the, mishappenings which is misleading to them you see so I find uh


it all the uh television programme is quite educative than uh entertaining


(mmhmm)


okay the app is just only sorry sorry carry on


okay uh okay I agree that's the young's generation for the pioneers and the Merdeka the generation they I I think we need something like uh in TV educate us how to


go through how to err you know function all these kind of things in fact today also I'm quite lost I'm quite lost, to setting up this you see so I was like err trying to get all the things done with the with my somebody to uh uh to cultivate for me how to do it this persuasion


okay so I think it it depends you see it depends on uh both parties, uh if you must see the generation gap like if oldest then uh the senior citizens they should be given more visualised rather than just uh uh going through the nets they won't know how to educate them I mean they don't know how to activate on the uh net you see so I think uh


it depends on which uh which class uh which which type, err targets on be a meeting you see, (hmm)


he


uh


okay okay uh, I mean I agree with you serials uh all these dramas they are putting up it's also uh today's living they are actually educating in living today's generation how they live how competitive they live


so it's actually putting up them uh what kind of the situation they are in like a a act of sabotage in workplace it can be done all this kind of scenarios uh whatever they have faced in a, in office in other environments so actually it's educating this uh the generations then the the person I mean whoever watching the TV it educates them uh like uh okay you've


to be more mindful watchful uh you have to err move your move your days very well instead of getting caught you know some kind of things like uh don't do this uh you will end up in prisons and so many things


against the governments and policies like uh now is COVID situation uh like uh they are actually going through uh the, err false informations, so these are these are things which are actually uh advertised in the uh TV saying that you have to listen to


these talks uh don't follow whatever you know the wrong uh wrong uh method of, doing things so I think err it's more on educational rather than just entertainment I mean they have entertainment but they do it in a err


in a way that ever it can reach any the any uh targets like uh it can be senior junior and uh, all kind of regards of status and these things


okay I agree with you what you are saying you see those days uh this education was like uh they have some some uh space times like uh in the morning or in the evening they will have some space times likes uh for mathematics math


english all this kind of topic but nowadays they put it as drama I think, uh if senior citizens they like to visualise rather than uh just hearing so you have to see for two targets the senior and the juniors you see so I think uh both also in in


television they have to visualise and hear so that, they will be educated in the sense they can know what is happening , around like uh for this COVID situation now they are don't hear all the fake news everything is clear very transparent and everybody know what is the movement like whatsapp messages uh they also put in in the news they have some flash news uh flash uh


err, saying that okay these people this march COVID uh, so avoid going this this kind of things they are actually advertising in television so I think it's both education is uh it's educating them you see, so both uh see


(mmhmm)


yes


okay okay it's recording now okay uh, actually uh, I mean I'm agreeing with what you are saying it's I think they are infusing both education cum knowledge entertainment


everything is uh together wrapped up together it can't be like always entertaining and it's very boring so they they infuse everything together as what I agreed with you but uh the know the the information given in television visualising and uh


other forms is also err err is actually err is err well versed by both the pioneers juniors so I think it's both, in one educate cum entertain yeah and in two in one


so they don't uh actually not only just put the subjects there like you have to read uh like uh if this is maths means they will give you math then you have to do the math they help you teach you, they teach in an entertaining way so it was like a quite knowledgeable knowledgeable for both young uh young and old so like my friend's mom she didn't know what to do with the percentage then


once uh there were some small uh clips saying that this is how you are supposed to get percentage she was like calculating in her phone you know once they teach her how to do it she was doing it in the handphone with the uh, calculator and these things so I think it's err it's targeting on different groups different groups like uh senior citizens they love to learn these all at this age they are learning so I think it's a good err err entertainment cum educating for them


(mmhmm) (mmhmm)


okay uh I agree with you I agree but uh if you see the youngsters they want to watch drama what they do is they can watch in advance they can go to mewatch and then they they go to toggle and


watch every advanced drama but for seniors it is not, so err for them is err it's a a a lifetime of err seeing the visual screen the TV so it's like uh for them it's everything is the knowledge is in the TV and the


err listening through radios you see so they prefer more visualised so everything is uh actually through the err, television rather than err watching through internet


or other sources you see so for this older generation singapore is growing old I mean there are a lot of senior citizens coming up like switzerland so most of the people like to watch I mean entertainment in the form of education too


I mean it plays a part it plays both together yes it plays a blur part we can't say it's only uh education it's only the entertainment it's actually linking together and then they are bringing up such ways to educate the youngsters


to make the uh realise the older generation like handling teenage how they suppose to handle, like autism all this kind of a err it's problems child how they handle it's all by visualised so they uh the the television is the best best source


okay, ah okay do films offer more escape from reality uh, okay


uh okay uh, I mean I agree with this uh they do entertain and uh err, knowledge everything is in the err the form of a films and these things they should know what is fiction they know what is uh


cartoons they know what is the true stories so, it's a form of uh what's your choice ah you see, it's reality you should know what are the movies if fiction stories is really fiction nothing it's uh actually uh it's a just an imaginary stories and these things you see but for this uh educational all these kind of things it's a real true story so it


depends uh how you classify it, (uh huh) (mmhmm)


okay


a fictions


uh okay the escape from the reality is yes in certain ways that's why I said , which movie they are classified I'm not sure which movie you see like certain movies are true stories like if you put uh, documentaries documentaries like there was once I watched err uh


the lady just chopped the snakes and there there was a baby coming out and these things it was real uh trues incident which was recorded you see so I think it depends on the movie in what you are watching rather than err saying that it's an escape


from the reality you see so the movie what you're watching you should know where will you stand you see , putting up like let's say it's a cartoon movie it's a cartoon series like nemo I remember I watched nemo that was really long so you know it's not real but you be enjoyed that movie you know you do it's not true the story


we won't know what is the fish thinking and these things so they just made fun of this to entertain a group of people only, so it depends on the movies on what you watch err putting up you see you're watching if it's the true scenery uh true movie they will just put the true maybe they will edit some little things


like uh songs all these a bit of things err to make at that, to make their market develop to to deliver the film and then err the movies that means deliver the movie to make uh money you see but, other than that certain stories you can pick you pick the good one and then release the the unwanted one you see so it depends on uh how you watch the movie rather than say all movies you see


hoping the okay we,


(mmhmm)


uh, okay it's recording okay uh, I mean I agree it's movies are money making only that's that's their target okay unless that movies have some some form of uh uh


uh the other time I watched uh one movie I forgot the movie it's about the american president how he was shot and these things uh what's his name uh, a abraham lincoln ya abraham lincoln, abraham lincoln okay that one that movie say I watch that the err err the video it was quite interesting they told us and when he on uh how many days he took to pass down and these things these are real movies so it depends on the choice of your movies which is reality


escape from reality or not, like for me I saw this movie I was saying okay this is part a the true story they did not uh come up with any other ideas it's a a fact of uh on this term on the whole series was about the abraham lincoln how he was


err he became a president and how he was murdered how he treat his enemies as friends so I was telling my friends uh treat enemy has a friends and the friend is the one who cared killed him you see shot him, so err that kind of uh


logic things I will just tell them you see so it depend I still again it depends on what kind of movies and uh, what kind of uh uh target they are putting in like uh if this is children they will put as cartoons if it is adults they will put for adult movies


real life stories


okay I mean uh, it depends on the target you see as what I said what kind of a movie you like to watch the target groups like uh if it if it is uh the youngsters one they like the more


on a uh more on, err more technologies type youngsters ah more action packed and this kind of things uh but for older generation they like to hear the news the real stories


or maybe my my style was a real stories I like to watch real stories and the eh the book uh true singapore stories uh the murderer that what's his name I forgot his name who used to slaughter all the children's adrian adrian adrian uh that guy


ah okay I saw this uh said the whole serial like a crimewatch like that they actually err put up in a TV shows I really watched this whole shows, I mean it's a true story there was no saying there was no drama in this thing the real the true story whatever happened they put it in the television


it it's not a movie it's not labelled movie they actually collected into some uh form of a serial type saying that this was happening and then all the uh singapore stories all the whatever


they had gone through two ghost stories


it,


okay I I I mean has a filmmaker I will see for money you know only dollar signs so what I do is I mean err as what you say that I'll take that movie I mean I'll take the story I'll try to infuse with some err songs and these things this kind of things but the story remains there


the storyline remains there so the reality is there only thing they infused with some uh some other entertainments only to make it interesting so that they can earn the living earn I mean earn their whatever money making you see


so the storyline is still there the filmmaking the story is always there only a certain portion of entertainment is there so the whole movie is made in full uh the the whole movie is actually taken from somewhere yeah


okay okay


recording okay I mean I agree agree with you, uh there is some uh entertainment and, uh and there is uh I mean the escape from reality is there but, that historic the storyline is still is still from one subject like uh the story I told you certain stories the true story is actually infused with some other things


so it's not an real escape but the more the morals the story of line is still the same there in the films making


yes, (mmhmm)


(mmhmm)


, okay ah I think stopped it stopped, uh okay uh, that ah that's why I'm saying it depends on the movie so not all movies are an escape from reality err certain movies are but certain movies are not you see


to what type of of audience you are watching is important like uh the audience love to watch a the fiction movie then it is it's it's a escape from reality if I'm if I am a person who like to watch the real stories then I'm not escaping from reality I'm still going for the reality


okay uh


but I as far as it's concerned uh there is such thing as bad publicity depending on who, and when is this person publicised, for example if a person has committed a crime, and he is publicised


his family members will may be affected by it, and it'd become a bad publicity for this person, who are his family members, the person who has actually committed the crime it may be bad publicity to him, or if he's a serial


a serial uh killer or something like that he actually wants that publicity it may be good to him but whoever is associated with him I think it will become a bad publicity for that person who's associated


okay when those whoever is uh it is good for those people were listening or maybe who are I mean uh learning out of that uh whatever is publicised at that point of time now somebody has done something wrong uh we don't do like this , I understand that uh, for them it is for those who are listening is a good publicity for them but the person who's affected


you are going to point out this person ah this such a such person has just such as such thing it's definitely a bad publicity for that person who's affected, and his family members as usual man they are affected for example even in school or when the child has done something wrong


you are going to publicise as a they publicise his whatever crime he's done, by caning him or in public, for him it's a bad publicity, so I think that uh these cases in certain cases


some cases can be a bad publicity, ya correct


in that sense in that sense, so when you blackout a person, or you don't want you want to hide that person the main reason is what I feel is, that person who's going to be getting a bad publicity, so in these cases the bad publicity things stands so there is such thing a bad publicity that is why they're blacking out this person they don't want that person to be exposed or publicised in the public so if they're having a bad publicity that reserve in future


they may not have a good job or the whatever year uh publicity would affect their family their children so due to that reason that is why they're blacking them out of the hiding their face but in some cases some criminals uh mostly in criminal cases


they are publicising it in papers putting the very big pictures of those beside person uh help people, and it is certainly a bad publicity for that person there's no such thing as a good publicity oh I'm happy that oh I have committed this crime I'm so happy he won't be saying he won't be happily saying around is it


talking going around and saying all these things, certainly when he comes out he wouldn't want to be known as like the person who was in the paper, so that becomes a bad publicity for that person so he's hiding away from the, normal uh public, was it sorry he


so that that's why I'm telling, if they publicise that it becomes a bad publicity for that person, but it's not good, so there's no such thing as a good as well the topic is, there's no such thing as bad publicity, but what I'm saying is there is such thing as a bad publicity


as far as you are concerned they say you are saying that oh every publicity is a good publicity, so what I'm saying is, there is such thing as, bad publicity yeah


ya correct so it's a bad publicity it's a bad publicity for them for them is a bad publicity, ya correct so whatever is done done but whatever publicity is made about them is a bad publicity


so it doesn't mean that okay you even even I I uh what money laundering I've done that, it doesn't mean that they publicised, ya correct correct true


yes correct so you're telling that, it is good publicity for them, ya correct what whatever you did whatever what we're talking is yeah it's done already it's done already , whatever publicity they're getting is it good or bad


so I'm guessing that in these cases is bad publicity, good publicity is that we have done okay something good everybody talks about it and comes in the paper everything ah that's good publicity for that person


so there is bad publicity even you agreeing that there is bad publicity what, ah for that person it's a bad publicity right for that person, ya correct so it's a it still comes to the thing is there is such thing as bad publicity so to whoever it is maybe is the public or the person


it still stands that there is such thing as bad publicity so there's uh not every publicity is good, so we don't care who the being publicised here we're telling is, there is such a thing, as bad publicity and this publicity if it's bad is a person for who were whoever is accused for him it's bad


for people who is


ya ya correct correct it's true when somebody does wrong and we have to defame the fellow in front of everybody to show the public that such as such thing is done it's true it's and the person will have to pay for it


ya that's what I said they have to go through that that's where it comes a bad publicity for them, it doesn't matter as long as bad publicity, that that that top uh the topic is


ya correct that means there is a bad publicity so the thing is whatever publicity there is there's also good publicity and bad publicity so the possibility, yeah that's the thing yeah correct


so the idea of the whole topic is, uh no matter what publicity there is also good publicity and bad publicity, yeah correct


so when you do the, when do when you publicise uh something doesn't happen for this company or this organisation have not done it so as far as that organisation is concerned it becomes a bad publicity for them,


however we are not talking whether we are not talking whether who is oh uh who is going to uh what err benefit from the publicity or not, we are talking that is there is such thing as bad publicity not every publicity is is a good publicity so there is such thing a bad publicity


and there is something as good publicity, correct correct correct


yes that's why getting uh, no we are not talking whether bad publicity is good or bad for individual you are, asking whether there's such thing as bad publicity so there is such, there is bad publicity the person who is concerned is bad publicity for them doesn't mean okay some some people like to be have bad publicity so that their name will come in the media so everybody will know about them


so just want to be that's a easy way of being famous okay, some people okay go and do that okay uh go and steal something I'll become famous some people are just out for the fame, for them the bad publicity turns to be good publicity, for them okay


so but uh, uh ya ya that's why whatever it is individual or uh uh as a, group there is such thing as bad publicity that's the only thing we want to know, bad publicity and good publicity but there's no such thing as every publicity is good publicity


there is a, some such thing as bad publicity, so whoever is affected has bad publicity bad publicity may help, the public and the general it is true but, generally there is such thing as bad publicity


that's the final uh things, uh ya ya correct ya correct correct


for so there is such thing a bad publicity so you agree that there is such thing a bad publicity it can help people as well right, ya ya lah individual even one individual also there's such a thing as bad publicity


uh, but there is such a thing as bad publicity as far as one person is having bad publicity there is such thing as bad publicity so there's no such thing as uh what uh no bad uh there is no such thing as bad publicity that notion will not stand


so there is such thing uh there's there is something as bad uh, ya ya that's right it depends on individual for one person it's a bad publicity another person is there are benefit from bad publicity, but eh uh anyway, so ah ah correct so


in all in all when you confirm when you compile everything you can see that there is, such thing as bad publicity some people will have bad publicity may other people may benefit from it by understanding okay this fellow has a bad uh what reputation okay but there is such thing a bad publicity even in papers social media or even in radio whatever is it


wherever you goes, somebody has really get gets a bad name it's a bad publicity to him, although other people can avoid them avoid the such a person, so any publicity cannot when I count all publicities cannot be as a blanketly you cannot say blanket over it and say every publicity is good publicity


there is such thing a bad publicity and, something like good publicity, that is what I I uh


ya correct what always is done is done lah so one one has done something he is publicised about it so he gets bad publicity, those who done somebody who does good he gets good publicity, there's the two different things there is no such thing some people feel that okay as long as my name comes inside there I'm


happy I'm uh everybody knows about me is become good publicity to me he may be a murderer he may be a killer he may be a what uh money launderer for them, it's a big name I'm a don okay everybody here knows about me okay that means, okay I'm the big gangster


for him he may find it as good publicity, in some cases but most of the cases most of the criminals when they're publicised in the papers it becomes bad publicity to that individual or the people who are associated with this person, so not all publicity is good publicity there is also some publicities which can cause harm uh is bad publicity for that individual concerned who is concerned


so ah individually you may say okay I I take this as good publicity for, uh the bad publicity for that person is good publicity for me but, you can learn from that publicity whoever's publicised this person has done wrong you can learn from it but, in the end it's still bad publicity for the person who is concerned


that's right okay oh uh is quick it's talk


quick stop and submit button is it


okay, the argument is consider the argument that the main purpose of television is to educate rather than simply to entertain


so as far as I am concerned, the main purpose of the television is to entertain, so uh I think uh most of the programmes nowadays on TV, is uh, mostly geared to entertaining the people rather than educating


so either uh Saviginni you are saying that they're educating, right yeah so uh uh okay


but what I feel is if uh most of the, uh if most of the programmes on TV is just uh geared, towards educating, then the, public men whoever's watching the they're not actually there just for the education alone so after a hard day's work or something like that ah they would like to see something that is a


uh, more what we call uh entertaining, so that uh they can relax and watch the movies or whatever is on TV, of course uh, one or two programmes are educator educational when even the news is a more of a educational type


other than that uh the serials and or sitcoms and most of them are on geared towards, entertaining the people that's what I feel


okay but it's in television programmes may not be mostly educative educating because uh we have so many other programmes so many uh on the, apps on the handphone, and on the internet maybe youtube and other err


uh apps that can actually help us to require uh to guide us, or to educate us, so we can actually groom to whichever topic we want to be educated on, so uh then you can just go through youtube or any other apps uh concerning those uh thing because nowadays almost every uh even our uh government organisations and private organisations they have an app


for us to find out what is uh what we need to know, so, to have the education in, uh, okay so to have the education we've to to purposely have that uh , the giving it to be a more on the educating guide


for these kind of things I don't think it is necessary, and the TV programmes nowadays also I think have a reduced mostly when on uh this kind of educating purpose, so the more on entertaining purpose, because they know that uh most of these people who really want to be educated or want to know or to get some news about certain things they can go to the web to find out the more in instructions from the web rather than from the TV


okay oh the group of people


okay why I understand that uh okay certain group of people maybe the older generation who are less uh computers savvy , I think for them they need to have some kind of a, uh interact or just like glimpse for informative programmes on the TV


so uh some of the programmes can be uh geared towards it I think uh some informative programmes some documentaries okay will help it but, the main purpose has nowadays it has changed to rather than just educating, these people because uh even the older generation they are given some choices they can go for some


courses and uh find out how to access the internet , and how to use the phone the apps how to download the apps, all these or actually now uh the government has actually uh put in effort to teach the older generation, so as long as a TV is concerned the television is concerned


most of the programmes are not all but most of the programmes are geared towards err what we called entertainment entertainment for the children the kids cartoon they are have what you call the, uh the morning uh morning hours for the kids and in evening hours the late hours for the older I mean uh higher a bit and adults


and they have different kind of a uh entertainments such as a what do you call , most of these serials uh serials uh sitcoms , uh in all languages in singapore especially in all languages we have these sitcoms and these are all geared towards, uh although little education may be there mostly it's uh I think if not mistaken uh


it's towards uh educating the !oi! uh towards entertaining the viewers, okay okay age groups ah yeah


okay ya I understand uh uh now okay at at one time there were a lot of all these uh educative uh educational programmes or in on TV I mean some sometime we had they also see the crimewatch is one of the, uh, more what the programmes that uh actually educate the public on what to do and what has been done what has gone through in these one and in nowadays COVID situation every now and then the updates we get get through the news is also educative


but the problem is nowadays uh instead of just giving the education uh the more on a more emphasis is put on uh entertaining because now also have the news on uh on the uh not the television alone, we have can also listen to radio to update ourselves on the current affairs and to update ourselves on the whatever news that we need to know and for the elderly generation I think


instead of just watching the TV uh they can just on the radio, uh which is more informative and are different uh what the stations for them to know some of them are pure entertainment stations others a are more about information ah some other on religion and other uh basis so they can choose the station they want to listen to


and it's easier for them look it up on the wall on the way or going to work or something like that they can always hear but television is something you have to sit down and you come after work or after a long day's uh housework and you want to just sit down and relax so at that point of time just giving education education education I think most of the time


the people get bored of it so they would like to have a relaxing time, so I want a feel now is the television is now gearing most more towards the entertainment part and all nowadays they have new dramas and the quality of dramas in singapore most in chinese tamil or even in english


have much has a uh, actually improved very much, so they have put in a lot of effort into bringing these dramas and making them as entertainment as possible so that our we the viewers can actually watch it, so I want to feel is most of the time uh uh from now onwards has been geared towards a more on entertainment and rather on just education


so I also understand that during the dramas itself they are also infusing the education part, and a little here and there so that the whoever's watching, can also get uh some information, from that dramas ya true true


true true at this point of time okay we are having uh some information through the, uh television, yes it's true and uh, both the age uh applies to any age I mean from the youngsters to the, I mean the Merdeka generation or the pioneer generation there also have certain programmes there but


uh the number of programmes compared to last time, the now is more towards uh entertainment of course, the programmes that are educational have been uh, there but uh , they the number of programmes which are educational had actually reduced


and the more uh more emphasis is put on programmes that are entertaining so, and and through the entertaining programmes they're also are infusing the, education within the entertaining programmes so that whoever's watching can also be educated at the same time be entertained


but the education part is uh has reduced along the years, and the entertainment part has actually been increased, so through the at this point of time everybody is under a lot of stress and all those things and uh , uh depression rate and all those things to avoid all these things this is a venue for them to release the tension


so what uh the or what the television industry or is doing is, are trying to get more educational I mean uh more of the what Entertaintional and entertaining programmes, within the to reach, the majority although we have uh what we call netflix and all those kind of things for pure entertainment


the TV is a, a everyday thing in everybody's house, so it's easily accessible, so that is why I think most of the time they're putting in effort in developing programmes that are more entertaining than just educational


two in one also okay oh okay ya I mean I okay I agree


uh what you are saying agree with what you are saying what to a certain extent so uh although this education is there to uh to sum up the thing what I feel that is a, uh now people have, many venues to get educated, on whatever subject


so television alone uh does not play a great part, uh most of them have whatever needed through the apps or through the internet of course the older generation you say it's easier for them to watch the TV but, uh majority of the time most of the time


people are looking towards the TV for some entertainment rather than just education so most of the programmes that are now coming into uh the TV television is that uh more of the entertainment type, rather than the educative type


because uh the the uh people a number of people or the viewership of those who were watching just for the education uh purpose has actually reduced if I'm not mistaken, as I said before uh because there are many other venues for them to be educated uh uh you can go always go to the internet or whatsapp or whatever uh venues so through that they can to get educated


but now, the number of a people viewers who are actually watching the television just for education wise, has uh, reduced so much so I what I feel is the in the television industry is going towards more on entertaining the people so they want to have the viewership so they want to people help people to watch the TV


so because of that to increase the viewership they're getting more programmes that are more entertaining so they can get the viewership also, so due to this reason I feel that uh the television uh main purpose now is uh simply uh to entertain rather than to just educate


(hmm) okay


so uh so what you're saying is education uh there's more educative programmes nowadays , uh and what I'm upset as well except is although education is also one of the very uh basis of this uh whole television programmes, (hmm) and plays a but okay, so so uh okay okay


okay uh, uh do films offer anything more than an escape from reality, so nowadays


uh movies, that are I mean not nowadays most of the time from beginning most of the time, movies have been geared or have been uh moving towards uh, away from showing people something that is away from reality, so uh the reason for this is as I said earlier also (ppc) my favourite earlier


that entertainment is what people are looking for when you go for movie where there's a one and a half hours movie, or two and a half hours movie where the sitting down there they're not going to see okay what's the difficulty in life what are the hard times they are going through all other people going through because they have the own hard times to go through


so I feel that, nowadays movies or not uh from the beginning movies have always been an escape from reality, so that people can relax when they're going to watch a movie on TV on net on the net or even on the television


(ppc) okay but then


they they do have uh movies and experimental movies they have some experimental movies that are very specific or geared towards or or they is actually targeting certain group of people, and they also have a, a real life movies or wherein the it's a depicting or real uh situations or real uh happenings that had happened before through the movies but


even though it may uh over they are telling somethings about these movies about real life happenings they also include some uh what uh, escapism from reality, so they don't actually show everything that is actually happening the suffering everything unless the experimental movie


most of the movies for example okay X men you know X men and uh all these uh uh movies uh they're showing all the kung fu movies all these things we know that, it is not real, but we'll like to watch it


just for the sake of entertainment and so that we can actually move away from our reality, for that moment of about two hours or one and a half hours or three hours and live in a different world so they can we can relax ourselves so that is why movies nowadays or even from the beginning


have always been an escape from reality, so we help people to, uh let go, or to live the life that they have not lived or they could not live so I feel that, uh movies are an escape from reality


(ppc) okay okay


(ppc) we aren't saying about all movies uh most movies uh in most movies are uh going towards a away from reality as I said okay even in movies like I in indian movies uh we see them uh falling in love


and uh what uh like, what you call uh and where the, uh where the hero will be able to have the what the, uh ten or twenty people at one time, uh this is a a quite, normal mean that's why uh is that normal and people think that okay this looks nice because they want to be like the hero so they know that they cannot be like the hero most of the time


so uh there it is a not a reality for them, so uh most movies uh even indian indian movies also acting indian movies even uh korean movies or whatever movies they, have this kind of uh uh aspect of uh something that is not real but they show it


to be real so that the person who's watching can actually be entertained through it rather than just education nowadays a horror movies has uh also been uh quite popular same even every language most of the languages ah horror movies have been popular whether it's true or not or whether it is happening or not we don't know but


it is something that is away from reality for most of us, and we at this point of time uh we would some of them would like to be, scared, when it brings them something inside for that moment for that uh period of time so it is a something okay see uh ghost coming here and there some of them they say it's real


but we actually we don't know they say it's true stories but uh, for us, majority of us as long science is concerned it is not real, so uh it is an escape from these movies or real escape from reality so that'll help the people to actually mostly is to unwind themselves


to relax at that point of time, so they're living a life, that they cannot live in a real uh real life, for that uh two and a half hours uh that hours uh they spent on in front of the cinema or the TV watching this kind of movies


so I feel that uh movies nowadays are offering uh more than, they are just offering an escape from reality, even the experimental movies I said, they, if they want to make money they're money making or box office on a big box office


uh experimental movies uh all those reality movies will not actually uh bring them the, money they expect, compared to this kind of uh movies that are away from reality escape from reality they'll actually box uh box office making movies


JF kennedy abraham lincoln oh oh K okay


so I understand like the movie you are talking is err abraham lincoln and their life story or maybe Gandhi also their life story what happens okay all these movies are uh they are, okay they're they are actually towards, reality I understand but the all these kind of movies or very few


compared to the movies that are going away from reality or escape from reality, so this kind of movie that are away from reality they are more common nowadays, the year once uh these uh movies you're talking about they come once in a while


I know of course educative uh they're or they're really with real life happenings that we understand, but, most of the movies that are coming, in the industry nowadays are great towards a an escape from reality uh


although even the some of the movies, we have true stories they also infuse the what the unreal things that is escaping from reality that is not actually real so that it also entertains some of the people who are watching


who instead of boring it sitting down seeing the whole story about Gandhi is three hours or four hours movie so it's sitting down there watching although it's a informative movie it is a reality it's a reality but when you sit down and watch for such a long, time, it may not be uh what people want to


see after their hard day's work, after facing all the problems in their life, so they are looking for something that they could've helped them to okay run away from their problems, so these movies will actually helping them run away from the problems for that short period of time


to be entertained so they like to see themself to be in that movie what where they can't do, or maybe, through that movie that is not actually real, they could easily find a solution for the problem, so instead of having more movies on the reality and educational all those things I think uh movies nowadays are actually an escape from reality


yeah okay (uh huh) oh oh okay ah


ya the shows maybe shows maybe I mean they show the uh part of the eh it's a serial, ya lah, ya ya on the TV maybe uh it's correct when it is another movie right I don't think it's a movie


uh yeah okay but uh it's in the season that okay but uh, through old stories and all those things lah but that one is more of


uh most ah that one is most or mostly on the serial type ah serial type on television based, so but when it comes to films films or cinemas or movies when it comes to that uh that two and a half hours a one and a half hour or three hours, uh I think it's more


uh the loan have more on this uh reality true stories more of them there are very few of these true stories are coming out in movies because that one is done uh maybe uh sponsored by some uh organisation uh sponsored by a country to tell about their story or something like that can happen but


the main idea is to make money out of a movie, that is a ninety per cent of uh people who are making movies they want to make money out of it, so when they want to make money out of it they want to bring what people want to see, and what people want to see is for them to escape from reality they don't want to see the all the hard work all the torture all the depression they are facing in their life in the movie also


so the movie industry knows it and I think they are gearing towards this thing or they were already geared towards it, to move away from reality, and show them something an escape from reality, so they can be entertained and feel free and at least go away from depression


so that's why I feel that the, ah the movies nowadays are doing, ah ya okay yeah it's a package in the


it's a package ya understand because uh most uh most of the movies they have some kind of moral value there in the end of the movie there's a moral value is also there so they're infusing they're combining and making it a full package , I know that the although if they


uh they tried to make in the putting the moral value, their but most of the time it is more of the entertainment type or uh away society away from reality end of the day the moral value it says okay to do good it's important to do good it's important to help others okay this kind of moral value uh are infused or put into the actual uh movie


so all in overall it is coming out as a package, the moral values there maybe the two story can be there, but still, it is give more on uh unrealistic part, that helps people to unwind


so most movies are, actually an escape from reality although, they have these moral values are true stories also infused within it, okay okay uh ya


so at the ya the the main thing is okay finally when it come boils down, what they say is money making industry is a film industry a money making industry, they want to make money out of it they not just giving them uh some kind of reality story and just uh spend so much money ah of course some experimental movies are very uh cheap men and done very easily at the scene and some of these nowadays already movie they shooting movies from even uh handphone cameras


they are short movies okay but all these short movies okay most of these short movies are maybe, more, uh get towards more reality ya short movies ten fifteen minutes or twenty minutes movies but, actual screen movies that are run on the on the cinemas


are actually uh more get towards an escapism from ah reality, short movies maybe okay they are more or less uh showing the real life happenings in people's life , and okay that's a divide not all most people are watching it it's a watching it through the net internet and all those things


but uh, on the cinema on the screen, ninety per cent of the movies are actually an escape from reality, and it helps the people to release their stress, and the get out of depression or to live a life that they may want to live


so I think, most of the movies nowadays are escape from reality, I think you continue and say so on on uh, uh yeah (ppc) yeah yeah


okay so depends on the target audience whoever watches it uh they go and watch the movies that uh they like to watch uh but uh most of the movies are actually escape from reality awkward although the target uh audience for those people who actually a real time uh reality uh movies is very little not as many as


uh those uh who are watching to escape from reality so most of the movies nowadays I think escape uh escape from reality


part one debate topic one


thank you kacey so you said that arts is a waste of time to, uh society in singapore because of the the uh essential and non-essential article right, and you said that uh it's a luxury I do believe that it is a luxury but it does not I do not believe that it equates to being a waste of time because people can spend time during luxurious things too


uh the arts is not a waste of time I'm going to oppose you, in singapore art is everywhere we have a lot of arts events although , uh it's not a lot compared to other countries but we have singapore art we uh writers festival film fest night festival all sorts of arts events


throughout the year and art is everywhere , in singapore society the government has spent millions of dollars funding the arts according to Statista the website the highest amount ever funded by the singapore government for the arts and cultures was


nine hundred and thirty six point seven million in two thousand and fifteen according to the straits times an article by olivia [ho] stated that eighty percent of arts and heritage funding in singapore which is about


five hundred and ninety five point seven million was provided by the government through state agencies such as the national arts council NAC as you mentioned on top of that there are also government fundings of seventy nine point four million under the cultural matching fund


hence I would say that because of the government's financial support it further advocates my point that that there is significance and value and importance of art here


okay thank you kacey , give me a, moment


so you said that, uh because the fundings doesn't prove that society thinks, uh that, art isn't a waste of time and I, although I do think you made a good, point, but a lot of people have been going into art therapy in the recent years that's why they uh


our school uh Nanyang academy of fine arts opened up a course for art therapy possibly because they see the future for art therapists and how art can , be not a waste of time and I would believe so especially for like the art therapy side of things and the the beneficial parts of


art, for society because there are a lot of people who are still visiting art museums packing it even like during the corona, so according to the website art loft asia creating art has many benefits that's why there are also still of people making art in singapore


it is said that art not only simulates imagination but makes one more observant and have enhanced problem-solving skills it, boosts self-esteem and confidence and helps one to deal with stress contrary to that


uh the website little van gogh UK says that it helps our body to rebalance like when we look at art , art makes us destress it kind of improves our brain function and thinking patterns and also can improve our physical well-being with studies identifying a link between looking at art


and the normalization of heart rate blood pressure and even cortisol levels, and uh I would says that there's, change of thought among like uh our citizens or people here because


there has been an increasing amount of uh an influx of people going for more art courses short term courses in uh community centres uh , art short short term art courses has have opened up to the public for like in NAFA and in lasalle with a price to pay of course


and hence that's why I believe that art the uh the arts is isn't a waste of time to most people in society


and we can, continue


okay, thank you kacey uh you said that, uh art cannot uh, do much to help with the pandemic uh, I have two points right now, uh one is my rebuttal for your point I do believe that art can


help, stay apart in this pandemic and can, help it can uh art can change uh, opinions and ideas as just as like uh, propaganda posters in the, past, was used to uh change the thinking of people their thinking like for example the japanese occupation they use propaganda posters talking about how great japan


and was and, a lot of people did believe in that, uh, so I do believe that art, can help because even uh, out everything we have like maybe you noticed bread packaging is done by, artist a day to day kind of thing we see art


every day and everywhere and, we're easily most most of us are easily moved by advertisements posters and nowadays technology is much better than before hence it makes uh the products of artists look more appealing to the public


on top of that as you said uh science schools uh, and, like engineering schools are more important but if they aren't equally as important as , uh art, it is the arts right uh SOTA would not have


opened in two zero zero four uh the school of the arts, uh hold, on, so it it opened in two zero zero four with the intention of enhancing uh


artists learning like if for young artists they are learning, uh, (ppc)


so in the two zero one seven, uh, on, I'm sorry I'm, having a brain fart


oh


two like SOTA has been running since two zero zero, four and still running it means that there is a market and there is interest from young people and from their, parents, which probably will make up


part of society a bigger part of society that art is still, relevant and, isn't a waste of time if not they wouldn't be paying so much for their kids right and so, uh, I'm using that to prove my


point, that arts is all waste of time to most people in society in singapore, right now


debate topic two


okay so the topic is art is not meant to instruct but influence it's it is only meant to be enjoyed I am going to agree that it is meant to be enjoyed


uh so according to the website little van gogh UK it says that when art is appreciated and viewed by one, it helps their bodies to actually rebalance, art is a proven way of helping people to destress improve improve brain functions and stress levels thinking patterns it also improves uh one's physical and mental well being


and there's a link between uh looking at art and the normalization of heart rate blood pressure and even cortisol levels, so I would say that uh artist is uh meant to be enjoyed because of the positive results and


how do I, put it positive, results, it has been proven to, have and hence that is why I say that art is meant to be enjoyed rather than instruct or influence


fair point, thank you for your input kacey you talked about how arts education is good for people and can help with the arts industry right so


uh my point is that uh, not all art is meant to educate or influence because art is to me it's to tell a story even in the ancient days people carve on the walls stories of things that will


happen or, like uh stories they wanted to tell they will keep it on the walls so that it could be passed down to other people, and so my point is that art is uh meant to tell a story for example uh the artist Melati-Suryodarmo uh she's a performance uh artist uh wait


performance art artist uh she does uh, art uh, she presents art pieces such as like, the the trigger where she just pulls a bow and everyone just shoots randomly in a gallery space she also has the butter dance which she's famous for she dances on butter while she's on uh uh wearing heels and a black dress


and, she also does another, uh, she also has this other exhibition where she just holds a, glass a piece of glass in different positions for hours on end


and so each of her pieces tell a story they neither influence nor uh instruct people because any person out there wouldn't want to shoot arrows throughout the whole day and like


what hold a piece of glass or like dance on butter like buy a lot of butter and just dance on it, and like it's more of her telling her story to people and I don't believe it really influences people because most people who view her are just enticed by it and they enjoy her performance because they're amused and uh


although she she tells a story but people are more interested in the art itself, and it will just merely intrigue them so my point is that uh as much as arts education is important to help with the arts industry it is not


uh a big, part of what art really is because uh art doesn't always have to have, uh, any reasons behind like the artist it doesn't have to need any reason to create that piece of art or like any intention to influence anyone


(ppc)


oh uh thank you for your time kacey you make a fair


point I do believe that, uh, perhaps your your point is uh pretty valid but , I still believe that it shouldn't always just be used to influence people I still wanna, uh, prove my point that it's still a story and that it doesn't necessarily have to change


people's minds about it so uh there's this artist called uh , hold on err, Anida-Yoeu-Ali, bodhi she is uh famous for


her art uh, being a performance artist, art art, performance art artist uh as the buddhist bug she appears as a very very large orange caterpillar and


uh, appears at uh different locations and her uh she exhibits herself in like places like uh a a school in cambodia in a coffee shop in a temple, uh


under a temple uh, a lot of strange places and coils herself around different architecture and so like this artwork is


based on, her, her own spiritual turmoil between islam and buddhism but anyone who sees it there's there's no description for it so how is it supposed to influence someone


if you just randomly see this lady on street as a, orange caterpillar bug with the the all the coil and everything and at the same time, no, one would have known that she is expressing her own spiritual turmoil between islam and buddhism because anyone on the street who viewed that are especially these are the common people in


cambodia so how could it have influenced them unless of course they have the association of orange is associated with uh buddhism and the the caterpillar suit top top part is like hijab


so it's associated with uh islam but , it wouldn't change their minds about uh, islam and buddhism or like someone who can be uh who has islam and buddhist roots because like if they're buddhist they'll believe that they are still buddhist right and if they're


uh they're uh


debate topic three


, thank (mmhmm)


thank you kacey , fair point about films uh


however uh, you said that uh books uh the books here that are stated, right, uh are only paper bag but, now in the modern uh in because we're more modern we have e-books as well


and audiobooks so that it's accessible for almost everyone and why would I say that it's more accessible than films films include uh more than one kind uh you you need more than one sense uh you need more than one of the five senses


like the hearing the visuals uh in general, but there are also a lot of people out there, who uh, are either visually impaired or cannot hear, or, uh


ya so E books can help benefit like for example for the deaf uh they can read whether it's paperback or and talk about accessibility the lack of accessibility right uh, they can have it on their phones now


you can buy books online and the blind can hear audiobooks as well so that they can still learn and like still understand and comprehend whatever the the chunk of information per book


and uh their education will not be compromised just because of their disability uh, and like how you say like uh there's uh widespread for of information for films right uh as for that I do believe that uh


wait can I state another point, how many points can I put in one, I think I will pass my time to you first and then oh as many points okay uh


my, other point is that as much as oh you said that uh films help to educate and inform people right better about uh current issues and events going on , however I, I do believe that books are more uh go more in depth because like for example like


harry potter the hunger games like the books I've read over the years uh the books always have uh go more in depth in terms of detail information whereas films tend to skip like certain parts of the actual storyline under the plot


and I believe that it's like a bit too generic like films although it's good it uh it's like uh visual aid and uh for your you can hear and like have the full experience that's great but it doesn't really


uh it doesn't really accommodate, to like everyone it's not accessible for everyone as much as books are to a certain extent of course for books like if like someone is uh visually-impaired and is also deaf that one will be hard lah


but still uh in general the the for the majority of the people out there I believe that books whether uh physical or E books because uh didn't specify


it it's important and, uh, it's the way to go more than films, yes thank you


thank you for your input kacey uh you made really valid points but uh as much as uh you said that uh about films have a, more uh time limited kind, of thing where you can spend your time better and


like, uh it's more definite compared to reading a, book, right I do believe that uh as much as there are people who would like to have a definite timing to read uh uh to to to watch a film there are also a lot of people who have the satisfaction of uh own time own target


and like slowly taking the time to indulge in uh the book itself wherever and whenever it could be like even in the middle of the night because for films you need a device ultimately so if if you don't have wifi or you're going to somewhere


rural, so a book could benefit you more than a phone would as in connectivity wise uh in terms of the internet if let's say you like go uh somewhere that doesn't have wifi you are unable to uh


enjoy a film as compared to like if you have a book you really can just bring it wherever you go , and you can for the e-books you can just download it, and so uh as much as you said that uh films bring satisfaction and knowledge right but books have been uh have been known to bring uh an equal amount of satisfaction and knowledge because they have been around since


uh hold on uh, about, uh dating back to uh the fifteen thousand to twelve thousand BC before christ


uh the oldest date is about uh, twenty one thousand before christ where they first found the first book made so it has been all the way back as much as it's old as a old concept, but it's still deemed useful and uh relevant because there are still bookstores out there as much as they are not really doing well because of the corona


but ultimately people are still reading books and uh it's still accessible to a lot of people who do not have uh the internet uh, and okay according to self development secret stockholm reading books physically uh physical books sharpens your mind increases your vocabulary and knowledge as compared to a film which like I said is more of a summarised version of


what's supposed to be a book if there was a book uh on the film uh and it actually lowers stress levels because like you don't need to stress about thinking about when am, I gonna like uh, oh it's gonna end in a short while you can extend the time for as long as you need


and it improves memory and focus a lot of times in films uh things happen very quickly and sometimes you might not be able to catch certain moments and for example if you watch a film in the cinema you can't fast backwards


and it enhances imagination because uh your


uh okay and uh, as uh it enhances imagination because of your connective uh the the connection between your having like


words linked to like images and imageries ideas opinions , it it does as a child I grew up with what enid blyton books and books are not just limited to just texts and fonts it's uh there are illustrations for like a lot of books that are what adult-ish like for like


uh like fairy tales like uh old old old fairy tales like that adults can enjoy and cultivate so as much as uh and it does bring you into a different world compared to uh


a a film and, to sum it up it boosts your sleep compared to a film of course there are some very boring films which you sleep to lah ya, and so uh my point is that uh books aren't dead and films aren't always the way to go


okay thank you, thank you


okay oh


debate topic one


okay uh for the majority of people the arts are a waste of time how true is this of your society, uh as for me I'm proposition so uh I'll be talking about uh what I think is true about this statement okay so uh firstly the arts are a waste of time


to to to our society is because a lot of it a lot of people like the majority of people uh usually agree with, uh it being a waste of time because the priority list for the arts is not very high up in the list uh whereby the gover ~the government itself also does not prioritise the arts in terms of funding and also uh in terms of


how much they contribute to the arts in, when they talk about the arts, in the level of political views so it's a waste of time to most of the people in singapore because


not only is it not prioritised it's it is also viewed as a more, uh as as a more luxury kind of


yes kind of kind of activity and because it is viewed as a luxury kind of activity you do not need it to survive in which is a argument provided by some of the people of singapore according to a survey that is done by NAC


, uh the survey usually, comprises of people talking about how it's a luxury for most people and the lower income families do not have


much time to , really engage in the arts because they they feel that their income is not, enough to uh indulge in this art form even if they want to and because arts is a intangible form of luxury uh it's not


really like, something that you need to survive because humans just need food water, and air so


not much of it is used to survive unless it's it is used in daily life whereby the life is not put at risk


so in as for example during this period of COVID nineteen uh virus, uh, it is, not very uh essential for you to uh indulge in the arts because it is human lives are put at risk so it is the least in our priority when trying to survive this pandemic


so uh thaddeus uh you can speak your point


okay thank you that uh as you mention that there's a lot of funding in the arts scene however in my uh proposition I think that it is not, a valid a valid point because uh funding does not equate to the the


phrase the arts are a waste of time to a majority of people because even though the government thinks that it is uh it's not a waste of time due to the amount of funding it, they might not uh think this way because they are required to uh fund the arts uh because of demands from uh other countries to


uh fund the arts more liberally uh however uh because of because of uh the the article that is released by the straits times uh they did a survey according to


uh the majority most of the people in singapore and, uh the arts and artists are considered non-essential and are a waste of time to most of the people so due to this survey the majority of our society think that arts are a waste of time


and I believe that this survey directly uh directly uh contribute to the fact that the arts are a waste of time and that my point is is correct, and further emphasises my point on why the arts are not essential to singapore


okay uh thank you uh


ah okay uh thanks ted uh however, I feel that even though art is very contributing to contribution to society uh it retains mentally and emotionally a healthy self but


I think not it's not art that is ultimately the reason we developed as society while while art has its place uh I do not accept that art is of any importance in society is more of a side thing to do like a hobby or an outlet for


people who are trying to, uh pass the time I think because, to as the development of a society science and engineering is is more important in order to progress as human beings and develop newer technologies


which help the which help the world understand us ya as long as we uh continue to focus on art it is very uh like the phrase said


a waste of time as the world will not develop as quickly as it is capable of doing and this is uh also supported by my point but an article by debate dot org uh which says that


uh sixty two percent of people say yes that uh arts are a waste of time, so uh this further proves my point that arts are a waste of time and that science and technology is very essential compared to the arts in order to develop the society


and not only that uh science can also help the society numerous ways by helping during this pandemic the the virus and how they create a vaccine


and arts will not create a vaccine for you so that's why people feel that , the arts are a waste of time and is not essential for survival


uh thank you thaddeus but uh I think that your point of arts playing uh important part of society because of, the way that it interests people and how much it helps society in terms of marketing and also design and spreading awareness I think that is true to some extent however uh because


during this pandemic it is a very crucial period of survival uh, on daily life I think arts might not be a waste of time but in a very crucial environment like the COVID nineteen outbreak it is a


a waste of time as according to most uh majority of people in a society it is also something that, help that uh contributes to the society in


in, yes uh it helps uh society in not say helps I think that it makes the society distracted from uh uh directly finding a cure for COVID nineteen and uh it has


uh facts has been said that elton john has donated a lot of money to AIDS research but, if he had been him donating money to the arts it will not have brought us closer to a cure


uh that, of of the virus that came long ago and during the during the outbreak, uh, I think art art skills is very uh perishable uh because if you use art skills during this very technological advanced society


it is very, , it is not very important to society because, we we need


an education in engineering and biology to actually advance our human human society


debate topic two


uh thank you thad uh your point is that enjoying arts uh benefits the body in physical and mental ways however I think instructing and influencing people with art is more important and


uh than enjoying it because you need to instruct and influence people uh in order for them to even enjoy the art because you need to spread awareness about art and also


uh pass down the art movements to the youth before they know about uh art movements and how art works, so it is also meant to influence and instruct because it is a more uh important way of


contributing to the health of of civil society instead of just indulging in art, art should be taught to people to increase civic engagement, uh and a greater uh


transformative impact in society uh children can communicate through artistic expression through art education, so uh, while one would deny that uh arts are used to enjoy but preserving the arts in schools in and helping to educate them about the arts


uh, it is also uh essential in in keeping the students with a good enough uh grade whereby they are able to


able to have a well-rounded education so uh there's a national survey showing a overwhelming majority of the public agreeing to the arts as a necessary part of a well-rounded education


uh so, art arts arts education can also build uh enriching experiences whereby


uh thousands of students are able to go through uh, arts, yes uh arts field trips with something to take back with a value or uh something that they learn


that's why influencing them through the arts is more important than currently indulging and uh experiencing and enjoying the art itself because, to pass on all this uh values and hence need to enrich people with the arts and influence them


and also educate them in uh how their arts works


okay uh thank you for you point thaddeus you said that uh arts are used to tell and convey a story or however I think that uh instead of conveying a story arts usually


try to influence people into spreading awareness about certain, uh prejudice or uh things that they want to convey to the to the public so uh the arts usually influence people by uh


by conveying how the art the art form is, uh spreading light on the issue at hand and it is also, uh a fact that uh


cultural organisations and institutions government officials and researchers uh are supplementing into art education opportunities through school community partnerships, uh examples include Boston arts expansion initiative Chicago creative schools initiative and #seattle#'s creative advantage so all these art schools and art recreation


uh around proves my point that arts are used to influence and also instruct uh it is also a, a a fact that uh


most of the people who, in uh indulge in art are not able to, even though they enjoy the art in the moment they are not able to influence people because they are very personalised with their art