okay uh thanks Ashger, uh album the opposition for the topic for technology creates more problems than benefit for the society, uh like to touch on a few points made by ash, on his proposition uh


he has stated that technology has allowed us, especially in this situation of uh of a pandemic, to work from home, I think he highlights for me a benefit rather than a problem so I think uh


thanks for contradicting yourself, but uh it actually serves as a great purpose in uh, for working individuals, for businesses to, work more efficiently when uh work from office has been disrupted


uh another point that erase this uh, technology creates an increase in diseases, uh I believe that technology allows us to uh, get more, uh well read well read up on uh diseases nowadays and


and, in one way or the other even if it increases depression amongst individuals it also serves as a great avenue for individuals who are more (ppc), uh, who are not as outgoing to go into read books go into entertainment to watch


movies and uh aid in their, in their depression lah, sorry about that , another , uh aspect another key point that he mentioned was uh there's no element of body language in a video, conferencing and he also mentioned that there is also only audio


in a video conferencing uh that's also another point that he is contradicting himself because it's a video conference and people can actually see you through video, so you actually do use a lot of, body language to put across your points


I do not think that it is actually a hindrance to any kind of work 'cause you can actually, uh achieve the same goals the same objectives of what uh video conferencing or a meeting sorry a meeting can achieve uh in the comfort of your home


another thing that he mentioned was uh, it is leading to an increase in depression due to restricted proximity to individuals, I believe that technology is uh doing the exact opposite of that, uh one main example would be whatsapp


it gives us more connectivity to individuals around us to friends to, to friends to strangers uh, and in fact it gives us a greater flexibility in communicating with individuals so


that would be uh, wrong to say that, it is giving us restricted proximity to others, uh (ppc), and on some of my own points would be , technology has greatly reduced our need to


uh I will need to uh have uh what do you say , have any have any uh commitment to others like for example


we have to we can uh what do you say, sorry I lost my point, okay ya that would be the end of my discussion, so ash (ppc)


okay uh thanks ash , you said you mentioned that uh I think it's a very good point uh that uh technology has increased dependency on the, on technology itself but I I like to, rebut on that point by saying that uh I think that is exactly


the point of why technology advances, , we need to free up ourselves on the menial task of everyday like for example uh, really nowadays have our own uh organizers so we can use , uh


technology to, seamlessly put in our meetings our schedules for the day, seamlessly into our calendar so we ourselves don't need to actually go about noting jotting the small little details of our everyday life into the calendar so uh that would free up our mental capacity to actually focus on more important


task at at hand every day so uh, that would mean more or, more efficiency more more, more concentration on what is need to be that one needs to be done uh the more important task for the day, so , I believe that technology is more of a benefit than a problem in that area because even though yes I do agree that we have we are more dependent on it to actually go about our normal lives but then it actually creates more free space of


uh thinking more more energy for us to actually spend on things that are more important at hand, another thing that I'll like to uh add on is that uh I think this uh, debate is actually kind of uh skewed towards communication whereby we can actually explore other topics such as uh


how technology has actually improved areas in any, manufacturing and uh, in, in transportation and stuff like this so uh, just talking about communication would I think skew the debate, to one side and uh


would probably uh be beneficial for us to talk about other industries, so I would like to start on uh, talking about technology how it has been a benefit for us in, manufacturing areas, so, nowadays we have uh


technology being uh in the form of robots and stuff in the production line forecasts so that has greatly reduced the need for manual labour, to actually uh go down on the production line


and use their bare hands to, make a car although there is still manual labour , being in the production lines, but that, technology in the form of robots have greatly reduced the need for humans to actually put in the effort


it might have actually reduced the number of jobs but then we have actually freed up labor, and uh, given us the opportunity to actually upgrade our labour, into more and put them into more useful industries into useful part of the industry in that in that area ya


thanks (ppc) (ppc) (ppc),


(ppc) okay ash , you mentioned that , if, robots or sorry technology were to replace you, once in a certain industry let's let's take for example in this case the manufacturing industry you would want to redeploy them to another industry I think


we can use technology in a better way, whereby we can improve his skills uh right now , if I were to ask you a question if you were to be uh not needed in a specific certain, in a manufacturing sector, and you were asked to


move on would you actually going to other industries like a service on tourism or would you stay in that same manufacturing industry and upgrade your skills using technology than in our case there would be to go on for courses and stuff like that and most of these uh most of the courses are online


with the help of technology , and that is being able or that is being uh made available to all these workers right now in fact I can uh it's quite, common right now in this situation whereby workers are being asked to upgrade their skills in the case of singapore through WSQ to


work skills credits and stuff like that they're able to go online and upgrade themselves so they can better suit, their industry more, not to say that they have to actually redeploy to another industry altogether, uh ya, uh another thing was uh


you hope that in robot, uh you hope that technology does not replace humans you hope that robots do not replace humans altogether but sadly to say that they have already started to replace humans, you can see in a production line already, for car manufacturers for in farms and in meals stuff uh robots have already taken over humans and by all means they should take over humans because I don't think we should


be using, humans as a labour for menial tasks as such uh in in in in in any case if you can replace humans you should replace humans in these areas, uh another sector would be aviation whereby pilots uh don't need to actually fly the aircraft for the whole duration of that


uh, flight for example if you take a three hour flight you don't have the pilot to actually beyond the controls at three for the whole three hours you can actually use the autopilot, to settle the, majority of the flight, to key in your essential data and let the autopilot take care of the flight and free up the pilots mental capacity


to, handle any emergency in case if they cause, so I think that is a very good , benefit of technology especially if you look at uh aviation because you can actually, uh, give give off the menial tasks the


the majority of the flight to the autopilot and free up the captain of its mental capacity to, handle an emergency if it were to pop up, ya, uh any comments ash


it's a balance yeah , ya uh thanks ash uh for contradicting yourself again because uh as what I mentioned uh, the in the cockpit unit technology to free up the pilots mental capacity to handle any


emergencies that were to prop up so if, technology is able to, uh be beneficial in that area I by all means I think even though if it's created by humans it can be flawless by all means yes carry on you can be flawless that that's why you're paying the pilot to actually sit in the cockpit to handle the emergency


so you still need the pilot then but then technology is, freeing up his workload, by that much , by majority for example if a three hour flight you, takeaway two hours you will free up at least two hours of his mental capacity to actually tackle any emergency


okay ash , I think you're contradicting yourself again when you're saying that uh they are making humans obsolete because the very fact that , cabin crews are in the service industry, uh it's mainly because of the fact that


they are using emotions they are using uh customer relations to actually do their job to make the customer feel good, so, you mentioned that if, they do not if they if they they they are using their emotions to make a


uh , the the customers feel good uh it'll make, by making machines uh having machines will make, them obsolete so I don't actually get the points so are you actually opposing the fact that, humans uh mac machines make humans obsolete


(oo) are you, proposing or opposing, okay


(ppc)


(ppc) (mmhmm), okay yup uh yes I do agree with the fact that uh it has made the service part the technical the technical part of


the , uh job scope obsolete, but, what are you actually paying for for example if you look at and if you take a flight you're going to have a choice of many different levels of tickets so you have the normal coach or economy to the first-class suites


so what are you actually paying for these tickets maybe can be the the the size of the seat can be your food in the the the service so , from what I know, you are actually paying for the service because you you can actually expect uh


different kind of, level of service being offered to you in a first-class suite rather than in an economy thing even you would agree with me on that, uh we can look at other aspects like for example the space you get to yourself and stuff like that but that's not part of the discussions since we are talking about service


so uh how would, me paying more for a first-class suite and being offered an ipad, rather than uh, having actually the cabin crew attend to me personally, make that, job obsolete when you can actually


give the economy class passenger and the first-class suite passenger both ipads and, that would just make the experience the same, uh, since we are talking uh since we are touching on the point of uh cabin crew and aviation I would like to also moving to the cockpit from the cabin since uh we have already talked about this in the previous topic


so machines, it it's definitely uh taken over, uh in the cockpit machine has definitely taken over the cockpit so from the, led, uh from the early nineties which you would have seen like three


three three crew three uh cabin uh sorry the three flight crews in the cockpit, whereby right now you can only see two, so that is a clear indicator of how machine is making the humans and their jobs obsolete, (ppc) but however even though


it has actually uh reduced the number of people in the cockpit or even it can reduce even more in the future in the near future, you actually still need that human element in the cockpit if not as ash I mentioned that uh, technology of machines made by humans and


it is definitely prone to flaws, so whenever a flaw occurs or an emergency happens we still need the human, to use his special skill set his uh, brain to actually deal with the situation, yup (ppc)


okay thank you thank you ash I'd like to pose a few questions for you uh you mentioned that uh, okay so I just want to be clear that you're under proposition for machines making humans and their jobs obsolete ya, so you do agree that uh


machines are making humans obsolete that means you don't need humans to do their jobs you just need machines to do their jobs in their place right


okay , okay that's a good example that you give me then but uh, like to remind you again that you're under proposition for why machines make humans and their jobs obsolete you are actually uh moving towards, an opposition whereby you are actually convincing me that uh


machines I've not made humans obsolete you just proved the point whereby you can't replace robots with humans in japan, so that is one case whereby humans are not made obsolete because of machines another case whereby you mentioned previously is in counselling


uh yes you are right you cannot replace humans in that case with a machine for counselling, and again you went on for, uh not a proposition for this topic, and another thing whereby you said that is technology is not flawless


uh or maybe I think you said technology is flawless maybe I heard it wrongly but in the case of seven three seven uh, do you agree that technology is the cause of the crash, uh yes or no would do


so you do agree that technology is the cause of the crash so how is it that actually, uh it has made the, human aspect of the job that is a pilot obsolete whereby a technology has caused the crash so that is exactly why we need humans in the cockpit because technology as you mention is flawless and therefore


you need humans to do the jobs so, I prove my point whereby uh, machines have not, been able to make humans obsolete in their jobs, yup (ppc)


exactly, so , you do agree that machines needs to needs to be there to command the technology right, therefore making uh


yeah yup, so in this so in this specific issue humans were not obsolete lah in the cockpit, do you agree ya so, that would make uh my my point proven


okay uh, yup thanks ash uh, you mentioned okay so for example if you are looking at this uh hypothetical situation whereby the, patient is in his final stage for example err is it okay if we talk about cancer ash, so finals final stage uh final stage cancer ya so stage four five cancer alright so and he's and he thinks that any further treatment would be uh more taking more pain for him and he wants to end his life


so uh, in that way I want to remind you that, there are two types of euthanasia, so one would be voluntary and the other one is non voluntary, eh I'm sorry I'd like to correct myself actually there are three types of euthanasia


one is voluntary one is uh non-voluntary and one is involuntary, voluntary is whereby euthanasia is conducted with consent so that means in our hypothetical situation this would mean voluntary euthanasia, and uh currently uh as you said uh you believe that it should be legalised actually this still legal in many uh countries for example belgium luxembourg err


switzerland and some states in US namely uh oregon and washington, uh, so that is whereby uh euthanasia uh the consent is given by the patient for the doctor to, to do act to do either an active or a passive euthanasia


so, under euthanasia there are three voluntary non-voluntary involuntary and under these three there are two which is passive-active, so, it is actually quite uh, uh kind of complicated topic so uh


non-voluntary on the other let's let's talk about non-voluntary on the other hand is when euthanasia is conducted by a person who is unable to consent that means for example if I'm in a final stage cancer and I'm in uh for example like I can talk maybe I mute or I got I'm in a coma or something like that


and uh, in this case the decision is made by, and appropriate person for example if I'm married, by my wife or my kids, so that is not voluntary, involuntary is on the other hand , is uh this is actually another word for murder


so uh euthanasia is performed and the person who would be able to provide who is not able to provide, inform consent so , he actually can think on its own and say that I want to die but then he doesn't, and another person says that let's, uh giving uh involuntary euthanasia so this is often against the patient's will


and this is murder and this is why it is still such a conservative topic still a very sensitive topic in many countries and is still not legal in many countries, (ppc), and under these three uh euthanasias there is a passive and active passive is whereby your life-sustaining treatments are withheld and the active euthanasia is whereby


you uh, like you give him the, lethal substances or forced to end the patient's life, so , since I've already made the uh since I've already set the ground, and the, we already know the different kind of uh


uh ways how to end a person's life using a voluntary and non-voluntary involuntary active or passive euthanasia we can actually dwell on this topic a bit more further and I'd like to oppose why euthanasia should be legalised because uh


the only person who can actually perform euthanasia on the patient would be uh doctor, medically as a certified doctor, or in some cases uh medically certified nurse, but in most cases it's a doctor, so uh


and what do doctors actually do uh before they uh start to practice is they take the hippocratic oath and in the hippocratic oath uh, they are able to uh, they they they do they do say the words that they do they will never give a deadly drug to anybody who ask for it


nor will they make a suggestion to this effect, so I'd like to quote that hippocratic oath in that way, although there this is actually the original oath but then there are many variations because as as we know technology advances in the medical science uh there are some variations but this is the original oath and the


uh some of the new versions of the oath would state that, if it is given me to save a life all thanks but it may also be within my power to take a life so uh, there's some contradictions within between the oaths that hippocratic oath but then it boils down to the fact that no one has the right to take away a person's life even his own life he does not have the right to take it away that's why uh suicide itself


uh self in this administered suicide itself in many countries are, is considered the crime and uh you do have to you you, ya it's considered the crime so uh, that's why it's still illegal to commit suicide in many countries ya so


I would oppose, the fact that euthanasia should be legalized mainly to the fact that, you do not have the right you are not god, if, if you do believe in god you are not god to take anyone's life, and the even if


the person is in his final stage, you should be given the chance, you should be given you should have the opportunity to live his life to the form leading to a natural death not an unnatural one, and that is I think the main reason why doctors do have this uh controversy on why


they should or should not be performing euthanasia, ya, no problem


yes


okay uh ash uh thanks for pointing out the fact that if if a person is brain dead he is not able to, uh make any decisions because, uh I like to, educate you whereby uh when a person is brain dead he's legally confirmed dead so


the person may have two to twenty-six days to live without any bread uh blood flow to the brain, but , once the person is confirmed as brain that is legally dead that means he has passed on, without, any brain function you're not able to sustain any life support functions from


for example breathing so , normally most cases when the person is brain dead is confirmed dead and he is uh, you don't have to perform euthanasia in because he is, yes passed on so


so that point would be uh invalid I would say whereby uh a person who is brain dead won't be able to make any decision and you said that, uh, his uh family would have to make the decision for his euthanasia to be conducted on him so uh


so there would not uh owe any warder, however uh I would still like to go on to my point whereby whereby uh euthanasia should, uh, should not be legalised, so for example , is it okay if we still continue to talk about the hypothetical situation whereby he's in the last stage final stage of his cancer


okay so uh, uh we could look at the uh, competence of the patient whereby uh, he's actually able to have a lucid understanding of available options and consequences and the ability to express that understanding


and and he's a wish to terminate his own life, uh, this patient competence uh is not straightforward so determining or defining this uh , competence is kind of uh


it's it's vague so in that situation it it would not be straightforward whereby you can actually say that okay this patient, knows what he's doing and he has full , in he he's in his full uh mind capacity to, let the doctor know that he wants to end his life because you can have many factors for example stress guilt


that guilt that, in most cases patients may feel that they are a burden on resources and psychologically pressured into consent, so they actually do have that ounce of uh faith in err, in someone to actually say no but then they are forced to say that


they let just just let let them uh passed on because, their uh financial their emotional and their uh mental burden on their family, so this guilt aspect and this patient competence aspect the, uh do uh


does prove the point whereby euthanasia cannot be legalised in any manner so because, you actually do not know what is happening in the patient's mind no matter what test what MRI you do on his uh brain you will not be able to know what he's thinking


and uh just giving him a, report to that family is not enough, to show that uh this person is faith to be dead, I mean how can you do that because the person is still alive, and how can you actually


uh sentence someone to death, just by the means of a medical resources available in your hand, and uh let's look at uh, another situation whereby uh, a patient is (ppc)


mentally ill let for example uh personal depression, so would you actually grant him uh, euthanasia, for example if he ask for assisted suicide, I'm sorry you took uh ya assisted suicide or euthanasia, uh so I think things like this will complicate the situation further because nothing in life is straightforward


most of the, uh asians that undergo final stage majority, in fact, do undergo depression because they lose all hope, and uh giving them euthanasia would just be, unethical and uh illogical in that situation


part one debate topic one, schools


should consider subjective, non-academic factors for admissions uh so, it has been a growing body of research thing that uh the extent of impact, of non academic and social emotional skills uh such as, uh and


uh problem solving and social awareness and growth, mindset have for uh academic outcomes and in singapore , we have it's quite uh, it's been a conventional method to accept students based on grades and standardised test


and their strength and performance in curriculum, however it's still important part of consider the records of a student's interest involvement in, CCA the uh co-curricular activities in Singapore we call it, and the community involvement programmes CIP


which also help to escalate a student's application to a to a certain school, which which has a niche programme, and even application into polytechnic , through DAP direct admission programme, so maybe in singapore the school system is geared towards high achievement and exams


but emphasis on rote learning and memorisations uh combine with pressure to succeed affects students' uh social skills and also their overall happiness, , in two thousand fifteen uh these are just , a research by a, , samaritans of singapore where a reported of twenty seven suicides among ten to nineteen


year old students in singapore because of the stress that the schools and exam has so, it is always important to actually make a admission decisions more holistic and less on academic merit alone


because , every young person in every young person actually has, their own interest and it's very as and humans we are a very complex being so we'd it's very hard to determine what, , we will be or what we are capable of doing in the


later part of our lives, so it is important to consider uh subjective and non academic factors for admission to school I strongly believe so and ya so


I that's that's my that's my opening


but I'm definitely it's no secret that in singapore one someone's academic performance and, standards are part of its important rule, to determine whether someone's career, and future for success but at the same time a lot of the ministers especially in singapore actually said that it's a very narrow way of judging success because these test limit opportunities for for learning and it affects


the opportunities in in life as well because you are, in a way stifling and, molding the child's mind, what you, want them to learn not not not do not and not not the liberty of, , of autonomy and also independence in what they want to learn and at the same time even in in a lot of other


err thriving countries like in australia and new zealand where they actually have quite, technical skills that you want to build on the on on these students, has proven to be much uh uh much of a success rate because they're in first and foremost they are happy, there is overall a emotional and physical and psychological and mental happiness and satisfaction when they do something that is of interest to them


and it's not when they are forced to, and a lot of learning , in singapore and also a lot of asian countries likehong kong# and for example they actually focus on rote learning and memorisation so when they actually come into college or university, their their way of learning has been different because they have to apply


it's more application of knowledge instead of just theory based, so definitely to and, to just to just say that academic, subjects, are the most important part, to to pass


the test or whatsoever it's it's still, goes down to, the character of someone if they are determined enough they are responsible enough to or discipline enough to learn, and they can study and they can , mug all night but they are they if they don't have the tenacity to actually go on and that


positive , a fight in them to go on through life as it gets hard, it will also affect their their their their their grades


okay I'm not, I'm not trying to deny the fact that singapore has thrived based on I mean we have one of the best education system, in singapore, and it's also based on the streaming that has also been taken out from primary in in primary schools


and which also speaks volume as we get older as generations gets much more aware, streaming also limit opportunities streamings to actually segregate and separate lower and a much lower or much faster student actually has the detrimental effect on their confidence


and, we learn by also modelling so when we are with, , a much more capable peer, we would want to, model as well so to be actually separate thing, to much lower risk to this mingle with the much slower kids and then a much fast and a much more learning kids


it somehow feels like, a system where it's, mainly based on on merits alone, but I mean there's I mean the and the education minister in singapore actually, , did say that the well round in and actually that he emphasize on importance of well rounded education taking into account values of non academic interests and passions in order to set the stage for lifelong learning


very uh, the lifelong love of learning, and all this effort has been made, across uh school, as well where they actually input in a lot of new, core curriculum activities and, that is also under non-academic factors


so non-cognitive matters where, it doesn't require them to sit down and memorise or, learn, uh rote learning or or do rote learning, ya I mean I I can I'm I would not uh denied the fact that singapore


is totally based on meritocracy that that's one of, our I don't, music vision and mission you know but it's it's still part of merit is still based on merits but at the same time, to just so he considered meritocracy but not how a person is


also matters as well when it comes to admissions in


and when that that is something that, that we book that everyone in singapore goes through where we go through PSLE we go through the the first is streaming the primary four streaming and then PSLE N levels and O levels and, have you ever have we ever consider how do we actually apply all these


algebra all these pie chart, in our lives like in real life so, if we think about , I mean I do I do not deny how our education is tied to


our employability as well and how, also employers, , consider academic qualifications to hire someone but at the same time you, you, also when you go for interview you would want to look at


the character of the person and their interest and if they if, they would actually blend into, I mean how the character would actually blend into, the organisation, uh culture, so we trying to talk about uh I mean you have mentioned about


in which I agree having to have a merits, err, based I mean having to just, admit someone based on on a test on exam, is crucial in determining whether the person is capable enough to handle what's to come but at the same time


each the consideration of non academic factors should be also, put a, into the factors of admission because, it should not be the, the the, the yardstick to measure whether a person can thrive in school or not but at the same time you would want it to be a well rounded holistic education


in a for for a for a student, ya so it's important to consider, non academic and subjective, factors when it comes to admission


like I said I don't, , uh disagree with the fact that singapore I mean, a child somebody who is going into a into a school, of an into admission to school, has to be measured through


based on their grades by their GPA by their points or by their, or if the marking system that exists here but at the same time, if the person , it has shown a lot that when a, person comes from a diverse culture and a diversed or even overcome


, a difficult part of your life it makes them much more , determined it makes them much more of a tough person so all these , all these characters can you can't, you can't help the child to


pick up or you can't help the child to acquire through, test through algebra through, pie chart or whatever you want to call it, so at the same time I totally accept and agree with the fact that, meritocracy alone


determines whether, no not measure it alone meritocracy and merits, uh can help, or make the opportunities of getting a better job or in a better school, but at the same time, these schools are also focusing and also putting money in extra curricular activity so there is


a value that which, the schools has already seen, so, it should be part of, admission factors, because if you if it's something that you don't want to, to, a focus on or even embark on why have it in the first place you know so they do


have a value in the school or could into curriculum system because, it's been proven how much , a technical uh technical skills, do help, people to secure jobs even,


in singapore how the ITE schools are being established based on these need alone where they feel that, there's a group of two of of students who, are not exactly, , thriving uh successful in academic in


papers test but they are good in hands or they are great in, , you know fixing the computer everything so these are all very important skills that, we should consider because as we grow up, we we don't use, any or any kind of mathematics algorithms to


to help us , uh bake a cake of course measurement stuff but at the same time it's, the interest that and also the exposure to, this kind of skills and, , at and skills and interest, so schools are already embarking on extra curricular activities CCAs and ECAs


which is already which has spoke has which is already spoke it has already speak for itself that it is important as well, so it should be considered it should be considered as one of the way for a person to get into a school


I'm not saying it's not I'm not saying it's not important it I didn't know I already said it's, I don't deny that but at the same time, it should not be based on that alone depends on the job that you would want to, depends on what you feel that you want to work as in the future


you know that's why there is a specialised degree there's a specialised masters, so all these, uh all these even social working is not based on, is not also academic but it has, already already been one of the


proposition of how chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language


currently according to demographics figures there there is a there are five main chinese linguistic groups in singapore which is Hokkien taiwanese uh Teochew hainanese uh cantonese and Hakka, so , in singapore there is


I have I've had a few, friends acquaintances that actually, says that how much of their mother tongue that they can't really speak fluently in and, and mandarin has been quite has been one of the toughest subject to score


or ace even if it's their natives is we even if it's a native language, so, there is a decline in chinese language mainly because of how, , our main language of instruction to singapore is english


and also there is not much usage outside of classroom, , and also it is always important, to, emphasise the role of culture of culture, in , I mean culture identity as well


so it's something that I feel dialect should be offered as one of the mother tongue and it should be one of the available options if, , a student decides to want to you know delve deeper, into, their mother tongue their native uh


language as a mother tongue language that


alright I think a typical family nuclears in singapore is there are, , three generations you know gathered under one roof enjoying each other's company and but if you, I have also realise as well that


there is a lack of communication between the different generations because mainly the older generations their grandfathers their grandparents speaks dialect, and, in mandarin being a very difficult , subject or to even ace in school so the children


tend to not want to speak mandarin because it's difficult, right so I think being, being able to consider dialect is one of her mother tongue, it could be on top of whatever mother tongue they already have but it should be an an available option it should be there


as a start to offer because , first thing first it's always important it's always important to, , you know uh salvage our cultural our our customs you know , and to be able to speak a language with our forefathers it's actually one of the best way to honour our forefathers who has


, contribute who has contribute not only to a family but also some sometimes to, the community and also our, our country as well and also having to


how I how it was how this chinese dialects , might be a foreign language to, student are students of this generation it should be something that, they should be aware of such something that they have to know of really speak every day but it should not be an alien language to


to them who is also who also have, roots and relation to the dialects that their forefathers are speaking


okay so , after my research it says that uh, in singapore chinese language is not religious uh chinese language not other than mandarin basically dialects are actually banned on televisions under uh the


part twelve point four of the media development authority's free to air television programme code which states that all chinese programs except of opera or other programmes specifically approved by the authority must be in mandarin so, they are saying that there's been a declined and declining interest in computing in mandarin among young chinese singaporeans and also the isolation of the prior generations so that


that ban alone has to believe that to actually expose, our younger generations even, people who are not of who are not uh speaking mandarin as their native tongue, to be exposed to a language that, is


majority are being used in singapore, and , it says that it and it also on top of that is being brought it has been, these , ban has been stemmed from the speak mandarin campaign in nineteen seventy nine where our late prime minister #lee kuan yew# actually


believe that learning of dialects actually would interferes in, one mandarin english and even mathematics of chemistry and physics but I think, because of that it has caused a full ban on dialects programmes under the MDA uh programme code


but I feel that why this ban should be lifted is because it, , if it should the first thing first a lot of our children learn things from what they see on television and there should be one of the channel an avenue for the children if not being taught in school should be one of the teaching platform for the students or anybody to learn dialect or any kind of language right


and, and this ban alone has somehow diminishes my interest and competency in using mandarin what more other dialects so, to be able to speak to understand or pioneer generation where who are still very much working hard who are very much contributing to the workforce percentage in singapore


imagine if you, if you if you eating your lunch and you would want to communicate to an to an older auntie or the to an older Ahma and she she she can't even speak , of conventional mandarin how would you want to like


communicate with her that would actually in turn makes your life or experience your lunch experience better, so , so there would definitely be, a lot of advantage when chinese dialects are offered as mother tongue language as well


I think as you grow older you want to use, and it should not isolate the pioneer generation as well it's one of the most important thing is to, to bridge that communication gap


so actually studies have shown that children from young age when they're exposed they're able to pick up more than one more than two languages so when you exposing children to, more than one language they have the it's a neurologist study which has been proven


vast upon decades of years so, it should be taken into account where a child is a sponge


it could I'm not saying that it has to be like a hard and fast rule we have to put dialect as a mother tongue language but it should be offered as an option where, freedom of choice is also a right to being a human and I think it's something that should be made available to us something that we should be able to choose and


if you want to talk about the majority of us, being affected when we our english will be affected pronunciation will be affected but if you talk about, economic value, china's economy is on the rise so it's actually, an opportunity and also advantage if you actually learn how to know how to speak mandarin and even be good at dialects you know


so it's, it should be it should uh I propose that should be a there should be a wider use of mandarin or even dialects out of the classroom even if you want to talk about a little later in a child's life where, if you want to talk if you want to see the global rise of china's economy


that alone I myself uh not a chinese not a chinese speaker but, comes but has roots, to china actually my uh how my my forefathers are also from china, and to know that up till now it's a very strong part of me and I can't even speak any


bit of mandarin or don't even think of dialects so I would one personally to actually learn about uh, my own culture apart from what I'm already been I've been growing up with but, half of my half of me is literally


a chinese person, and as I grew up I feel, there is a need and an interest to actually, know about and when very keen and enthusiastic to know about my culture and also, my roots, so if this has been offered to me when I'm in school


I would, probably not all do it back then cause it's very difficult but, as we grew older now we always realise that oh we I should have done this I would have done that and I would be, very much , uh glad if uh dialects


would be offered as one of the mother tongue like there is a choice for me to take and there is a choice offered to me and, I would know that it's readily there when I want to take it up


I think that would be a good starting point, to, to make available much a much more , vast dialects , not just chinese but the same time it should be a good opening it should be a good opener for


for for schools to consider, dialects not not just being mandarin or chinese but, to to consider as one of, the, subject that a student can take up, , and I think it would when you would be at ease knowing that you in your learning and the under an organiaation or curriculum that allows you to express


, your identity and also allows you to appreciate, , your own roots and cultural values and customs and, ya, I think it's it's something that I would, appreciate as a person


when I know that , the cause I'm learning from , embraces and, respects differences, and allow me to take it out, yup


yes no , part three debate topic three


boast the importance and that I support that learning is best outside the classroom, and it's very is very important to every person to experience the world beyond the classroom and it's an essential part of learning and personal for person for learning and personal development whatever their age ability and also the circumstances


as we all know that education it just not it's more than just, picking up knowledge and acquiring of knowledge as well, for us to improve the understanding of skills and values and personal development, it uh


learning outside the classroom can significantly enhance learning and achievement as well, and I'm, we are I'm not saying that learning has to be strictly outside the classroom and it's better outside but it could be it's actually one of the best vehicle to develop the capacity to learn it provides a frame for it's actually provides a


uh, a framework that learning uses, uh which, involves the surroundings in the community outside the classroom and this also allows, uh people or students or young person to, construct their own knowledge of the world and also


the realities around them and also it is also, very important to ensure that there is a good quality learning outside the classroom, , and as because it enhances what we learn in the in our classroom as well


and it uh it, gives us a deeper understanding of the concepts that we have traditionally learning schools and the the subjects that we have all that the teacher touches, and also, we are use learning outside classroom is one of the methods that


can actually , pique the interest and also the curiosity of of someone learning as well, and (ppc) , for for for for all I for based on my experience , I actually feel that children actually learn when they are able to


uh hands on to have hands on and they have authentic and a real living when there's authentic and real learning involved


I agree with some of your points but strongly disagree with some because I feel that we have already in the twenty first century where everything is being brought out into the world and, we, we want it to be much more sensorial we want it to we want it we we pay we we pay for the experience as well


so I think learning outside actually build bridges between theories and also reality in schools as a community because we can, pick about all the community helpers you can talk about uh where does garbage goes or when we when we talk about all these things but when we go on ground and we see with our own eyes with there are our five senses or uh are stimulated we are able to much more


, feel the feel feel the learning with with our our five senses so let me just, , allow me to actually do a line up the list of uh beneficial of educational benefits that learning outside classroom actually has it of obviously improved academic learning


and also, it also develop skills independence as well because, if if an environment outside the classroom is well managed safely managed and well managed and also well planned you wouldn't not we would not worry too much on the safety measures like because usually before


uh learning is, before an excursion or field trip happen there's a lot of SOP it has before, and this just shows that, the schools , or any organisations are placed so much importance in standards and procedures and


they have like whether programs ya all these , it may need much more work than in the classroom but it's all worth it when you see, the interactions that happens in the real authentic


engagements with the environment and also the surroundings as well, and also it nurtures creativity and it provides opportunities for informal learning through play because, one of the, best ways one of the best vehicle for a child to learn if not adults are just by hands on and sensorial it has to be


, uh something that the child is able to manipulate, in its it is to also provide stimulation to the brain as well so sitting down in the classroom, where this pen and paper might not, uh might not just, make the child a bit


not boring uh might not, one to make the child much more interested but it also not really good for their eyes and, part of a campaign that has of health campaign that has been going on in singapore as well we're encouraged to actually look outside and be outside and


even the recent education movements where they are encouraging teachers to bring students outside and, learning outside the classroom where because the same time being in singapore we are all fill up with concrete we are in a concrete jungle and to be in the classroom we are in another concrete jungle so the natural the naturalistic part of learning has to be


appreciated of outside where, the real authentic and original, , and original theories can be put to practice, and, it also


improve attendance as well because usually if I if I were to be asked to see in the lecture room for like two hours and when I when when they say oh it's tea break I'll be the first one to like get off my chair, it's basically being confined in the classroom


so it is not good for the mental health as well and it's been proven with a lot of , uh laws and policies that has been changed and even education system that has been tweaked and changed to cater to this


, much more hands-on sensorial and, authentic authentic learning outside


like I've mentioned before if everything has been well planned and the standard of operation the SOP uh procedures are all fall through, there shouldn't be any cracks or any havoc because, main thing uh first thing first in every situation inside the classroom or outside classroom safety is the number one


priority so, being outside also engages our own natural survival, instinct if I may call where, we tend to want to look out for each other even for ourselves as well so in a way,


when we say oh you have to look like left and right when you cross the road but when you're outside, you don't say you actually do it, so in a way like I say it bridges the theories to, reality to real life as well, and


if you look at how the education landscapes in singapore has shifted so much from, the conventional rote learning memorisation, and even though primary schools now has the outdoor programmes and even in in polytechnics in ITE they they emphasize there's so much emphasis on


, on wanting to train more outdoor outdoor learning instructors and parents or people are actually paying to actually go outside, and a lot of art programmes or exhibitions, are all taking their work out of


the four, or a ceiling in out of the out of a building just because, it's it creates a different kind of mood to the ambience and when every of your senses uh uh put into play we're able to really embody the embody experience and also


, you were able to put we might not be able to put into word experience but you were just there and also to feeling the, uh, ambience in the mood and, also when you are able when you see shapes when you when you comparing to teaching a a child in in class and showing a shapes of blocks and


a Legos when you go out you makes them point out they're able to independently point out and they're able to problem solve on their own independently, so, and at the same time even if there's a lot of stimulation it at one in one go with


the traffic or the people the weather, it's like I will go back to when it is well managed when it's well planned it would be like it'll it is the best learning that anyone could ever have, yup, and we all would and we all have our own own experience in childhood where


whenever it's recess time you will find everyone else on it's on the street, and when on on in the field you know and for you for your case you like soccer and I'm sure you you're not confined to yourself, you will confine yourself to the classroom, you know or even reading at the library you know you'd want to be out because


being for being for long hours inside has you have been your your mind needs that outlet, let the energy go, and also to move your body around it's it's a psychology it's a psychology and a mental wellbeing as well part uh being, being put into play for this for this matter so I strongly


, feel and support and advocate that learning should, be outside the classroom and it is the best but it shouldn't be confined to just classroom, but you should just it should have a balance of both in, and educators should actually place


priority, to learn to make learning


you can still take a pen and paper outside you can still ride on the tree you can still put a mat out and learn so there is is it as an open air there's fresh air so, the treating your mind will be much more at ease than like you were able to think you are able to focus properly and


we are able to take a time and observe its surrounding and the people around you when, it's something if it's something related to whatever your subject is is even much more better because you will get the real feel of the situation that your paper is trying to make you see you know ya


oh


so uh thank you to <P2> shafika </P2> for uh, a very detailed research, uh that you have done prior to this debate, , ya I do agree with you that uh non academic factors are are important uh for for kids for students currently due to uh their their different interest however


ya it's it's currently has been uh, uh the the the the success we have we have proven that, uh academic factors and subjective , has proven success over the years uh to to where singapore is currently right now or where the globe the the globe is currently right now and and our economic rate


we are not , uh denying that, the non academic factors is important like electives and all that based on because uh as kids students they have their their their interest , however what makes you think that the this new way of non academic factors for for admission in schools uh would be given will be proving proving success uh uh in in you know in in the kids in the students


so I think we are not denying that we shouldn't neglect or we shouldn't uh take out all of uh entirely uh of this non academic factors or subjects but, for the admission wise we need to


err err look at their academic, err ability yup


ya so not everything can be learned through uh uh experience


most of the things the foundation you have to understand that the foundation starts from academic learning, so uh that is important in uh in every every student they need to have that foundation in order for them to achieve those experiences but if you don't have this foundation you just leave them out there just expect them to


uh learn through experience uh it'll be difficult because they will they will tend to fall and they will tend to fail, so when they fail, they might be losing out in interests and they will not be progressing err better so the the foundation of academic skills is very important and especially in schools


you need to uh, implore or you know uh have them uh this foundation skills or this academic skills before they can get those experiences


ya so, we are we are let's go back to the topic which is uh considering them, uh for admissions, so that's the that's that's the first step on the first phase of the entry of students


because based on their capabilities, and then in school uh the curriculum you'll you'll segregate them in all this CCA and uh all the uh the electives but at the first phase of the first step into admissions uh it is required for them


uh it is required, to base them on their academic abilities, cause you do not want to be putting, students in places where they cannot grow or places which is too much for them


so , yup it is important to have, uh admissions for students based on their, academic admitted abilities, thereafter after the admission into the schools


then we'll be providing them with, uh the uh, like I mentioned the CCA and curriculums and add to this like electives for them to grow in their interest and and things like that


so when you speak about characteristics or the person the person's ability or the person's willingness to be


uh to thrive in school or in work workplace how do you measure that, those things are intangible so do things based on the person's willingness, so , logically speaking uh


you will have to base on data, you want to employ students or even employ uh employees or you know get students to schools it has to base on data so these data are based on their academic studies


then then you are able to from the data itself from data, the data comes from the academic studies so from the data you are able to place the students where they are supposed to be, then from there you can grow in their uh because if you want employ the the person


from that short interview, period how do you determine that persons based on their characters and their personality it could just be putting on a show for for for just that short period of time, but these personalities this the willingness


uh is something that you need to, , be with the person for for period of time to understand


ya so uh you mentioned it is not important uh


to have algebra maths and all of these, uh pie pie charts


exactly so in order for us to get there you need to , err get the students


in schools and, and and uh these different phases based on their academic education, so that's what we are doing so that determines our success rate right now, no so what makes you think or how long do you think


we can uh uh take the risk uh in in in in adapting or applying the concept of, uh admission of students based on their non-academic results or factors


that could work the that could possibly be uh uh down the downside for all the fall of uh our economic moves for success


ya so , ya I agree with you that it's important to have


uh their own native language as a mother tongue, or uh as mother tongue language but however , uh it's it's not a common language that uh we commonly use with like with with


outside of school uh and also with, uh partners overseas, , so I feel it's, it's not, although is more than ya we are, having mother tongue native language is our mother tongues like malay uh chinese uh tamil and so on


, but to have chinese dialects offered in mother tongue language it's already it has already it's already been confusing it will be more confusing for the students to, uh, to to implement


uh so rather rather had rather having chinese dialects, it should just be, a standardised uh rather, uh just one dialect like mandarin for example


ya so there are


you mentioned that it's important for us to salvage uh our cultures, in in languages, in different chinese dialects with our forefathers, however there are other ways that we can do that, there are other ways that we can salvage this this culture


it it's not only through chinese dialects, so they are in schools there already, the or in life rather there are already so many things that uh we can think, all for we can take uh based on our on the skills and life skills uh work skills professional skills


uh in order for us to progress forward so to add on uh chinese dialects into into uh these skills to progress forward I don't think it's necessary, , like I said it's uh it's better to have just a standardised uh chinese language


uh so everyone will be everyone or rather other other foreigners can, uh uh can, uh but can learn, can learn the language easier if there are so many dialects it will be difficult for them to to understand or to to try to learn the language and also if you want to implement this you should be fair to other other languages as well


uh uh, but then uh, uh for the other languages they they have also different dialects like for for tamil they have other different dialects for malay they have like the Bugis the Boyan there's javanese so if you want to implement these as well


based on equality uh it will be, or it it will be very confusing


ya so older older person older Ahma and Ahpa uh they speak malay as for in for in in singapore especially even, uh with different uh even with chinese and tamil uh they will speak in a malay language


so if you want to implement a chinese dialects uh as a second language or uh rather as a mother tongue language, , it will affect your pronunciation your english pronunciation because currently we are living in a world where it's uh uh the english language is dominant and we communicate through english language like in social in media and everywhere it's it's through english


so english english language is very important uh, uh in singapore and also worldwide if you want to affiliate ourselves with, uh partners uh overseas, therefore if we do not uh if you uh are not able to speak english uh proper or well enough uh you will just look bad bad on us and they wouldn't want to uh affilate themselves with us so if we're going to implement this chinese dialects in our mother tongue it will affect


uh uh our pronunciation our english pronunciation, so , ya so it shouldn't be it shouldn't be offered as a mother tongue language


so I agree I agree with you and it can be it should be uh we should have other languages uh but not


dialects of that that certain language


so you you , although chinese china is on the rise in the economic standing uh, if you log into Alibaba dot com or AliExpress or even Taobao uh they are catering uh


their language to the english speaking speakers or it so there is not a barrier at all uh you can just simply change the language to your language, uh in spanish or in tamil or in whatever language so it's easy for for there is not a barrier at all to communicate with the with uh the chinese uh chinese economy the chinese market


so ya it's it's a freedom of choice for everyone to uh take any skills or languages in this matter so you uh no one is stopping you in for you to take uh uh least chinese dialects while on courses outside of school


so they're this this courses are available but it doesn't have to be forced, or uh offered in a mother tongue language for for students especially, and it's back to what I spoken about speaking of equality if you want to include


uh chinese dialects in mother tongue language we should also offer uh other languages as uh other dialects uh as as a mother tongue language as well


ya so I'm not denying that it's important for you to go back to your roots and to salvage your culture, however it can like admission again and it can be done in other uh forms and ways


uh, uh languages language is not the only, only thing to move forward with, uh in based on uh uh culture, yup


so I'm moving forward , I think it's sufficient to just uh get, a a a normal language like chinese especially just mandarin instead of uh dialects


okay we can press the stop button


part three debate topic three


(hmm), thank you for your uh proposition, however I feel that it's best for students to learn uh inside the classroom because


it will be better for their focus, and it's better for the the teachers to manage them and if you put them outside a classroom they are not being be able to uh focus on the subject matter it will be going going and running around so and also it will be difficult for


uh, and the teachers to to to manage them and also to be able to understand their students on a personal level, and also ya you can learn outside the classroom but at certain hours uh not all the time


and, uh ya but but you know, it can be uh they can learn outside but, when it comes to study you need to be discipline and to be in the classroom so I feel uh learning in the classroom is better for the students'


uh education, our skills skills hands-on and things like that can be done in the classroom as well doesn't have to be outside of the classroom, another reason is due to a safety safety reasons


cause students students uh especially they are very curious uh they would want to explore and you know sometimes they can get hurt very easily so it's best to be learning inside the classroom then the outside


can also uh is preparing them uh uh for the working life uh later when they grow up, because you don't see, uh adults going out and playing outside, while doing work they are sitting in their office or like how we are doing right now uh in front of the laptop


uh doing our professional work so uh, it's so that's why I feel it's important to be learning inside the classroom, uh, ya so personal developments like I mentioned it can be done in the classroom as well it can bring outside facilities or rather outsides uh tools


err, to be in the classroom uh it can be done in that manner


ya uh so the real and authentic study uh method is actually in the classroom if you look at the past and their ways of learning are through a classroom setting


so that's the real and authentic way that make what makes us who we are today and are what singapore is today, and , through learning in the classroom classroom uh it doesn't limit their creativity uh with the digital


uh technology that we have currently right now I feel it's more important for them to uh get their hands on rather rather than to be outside uh instead to be hands on on the digital stuff like the computer lab, the iPad uh and things like that


and also due to the space constraint that you have in singapore if we deploy all of the schools to be learning outside, you will be a lot of uh we need we need a lot of uh, manpower as you know like uh for one class of a thirty students twenty thirty students only one or two teachers are taking care of them uh so we will need more uh teachers more manpower uh to to better manage uh them learning outside of the of the classroom


and that, and if we do not have that we will cause a lot of uh safety hazards ya so the kids being kids will be running around and imagines just two teachers taking care of, of uh all of them and imagine all of the schools uh deploying this kind of uh method it will be


be uh uh a havoc and and uh ya, so it can be learned if they can be they can go outside to learn but on only on certain hours and in only on a limited probably limited uh numbers of students instead of everyone


ya so so it although it is fun and like I mentioned it's it's you know you get the feel or of all all your senses and everything else


but then you are will you'll still be distracted by just little movements or you know cause when you're outside there'll be noises there'll be people moving around you'll be distracted by that, as compared to being in a classroom setting where you are focused and the teacher are better are able to manage you better where better to understand the the the the the way you are and the level you are at


and uh be able to cater the the learning process and the learning journey towards your personal level, so learning in the classroom is still the best way uh of learning because you are able to focus to sit down and focus and


uh and would be would be not be distracted by all the noises that uh you can get outside and also digital technology is the way forward right now it's no longer going out outside and and playing and having fun everything is going digital in the future there's research have shown uh some uh uh we night be able to meet another person from another country in just through digital and by just wearing the VR connection I think so I think digital is the way to go so learning in the classroom is the best way


okay, (ppc) I would like to start of this debate topic right by actually defining the statement that is being used in this topic which is in the age of internet TV and newspaper has become irrelevant so , before starting I would like to define like what this actually means right so


if we know the definition of newspaper there's actually two meanings to it so the first is actually to represent a printed publication in a form of paper, and the second way of defining is an organisation responsible for producing a particular newspaper, so in this case I'm actually referring to the physical paper and not


the organisation, , and then when we say irrelevant it means that it is not connected with someone uh or something and definitely not at the top of the head when it comes to decision-making so the point I'm trying to make here is that newspaper as a medium uh is irrelevant to people nowadays uh because it is something that


definitely not come to them at the top of their head when they think that they are searching out for uh news contents, so what, I state this point is also because , okay before I go to the explanation why , I must say that my stand is that contents of what news err publication produce is still definitely relevant


but the medium here is the one that is not relevant anymore because of, how behaviour changes and, uh, the way that I want to support this uh statement is because the trends in past five years clearly showed that err the number of people's buying newspaper uh went down drastically and uh people are shifting towards a visiting news website


uh so so traffic on the website so so definitely there's a very obvious shift of people who move from , paper medium to uh website medium, so uh , this clearly this behaviour clearly proves that uh newspaper as a medium has become irrelevant for uh the readers out there is not that the readers stop reading but then is just that there's a shift of err the traffic


and also when it says uh when the statement says that TV uh and newspaper right so for TV's case my argument will be the same because the behaviour in the past five years is consistent with the behaviour for, newspaper so people generally are just not uh going to TVs for entertainment or for contents uh that they want so the very obvious shift is that


people are going to things like YouTube uh and people are slowly uh not having TVs in houses anymore as well so that also clearly shows that , people do not rely on TV that much anymore, so uh I wouldn't say hundred percent err of the people do not use it anymore but it's irrelevant because it's not the first err on top of their head when it comes to decision-making


eh yup three minutes is up


okay you overrun by two minutes already, eh you overrun by two minutes already ,


okay okay so to sum up two points uh cultural cultural , okay okay wait cultural and then uh economy contribution and what's the the other point, it's the content ah that is err reliable okay uh all three points I I definitely agree because my my my point over here of argument is not towards this direction because clearly I uh I stated that


uh contents are still relevant for sure I don't think readers will stop reading uh and, I think they have certain err level of branding and credibility over there right because they have been around their publication that has been around for the longest time but what I feel that it's irrelevant is like if I imagine I mean the publication company right I will still continue doing what I'm doing journalists continue right writing uhproviding good contents but then


the difference would be err probably not , not, circulating the contents right through the medium of uh of physical newspaper so that was the point of argument but every point that , uh dion stated err that one I agree with


so what what why err to strengthen the point right that I'm doing the course right it's also because , I feel that this is a behaviour that uh kind of like has no turning back because due to uh the lifestyle change of people especially those that are in the city life we have less time we are looking for things that save our time or looking for things that provide convenience and accessibility to internet is just so powerful and we have our mobile phones with us


like everywhere we go even at the toilet if it could be next to us even when we are showering ya so, just because of that real convenience over there it is uh due to practicality lah that humans err living at least in a city life right uh will will will be moving uh towards that direction of on getting contents from internet on top of that


I think uh having knowledge is king today right so everyone wants to know uh news not just within your country but also news that are from abroad and local news content is something that will not be available on physical newspaper if we it's, being accessed lah in the form of paper so I think that's also one very key thing that why people are going towards internet and


uh saying that it's irrelevant doesn't mean that we err can prove that hundred percent everybody is not choosing newspaper over internet right because I believe there will be a small, , portion of people that will still choose newspaper due to habits uh and blah blah whatever reason but uh I would say majority will still uh eventually or have already moved towards reliance on err internet


yup so that's my point , do we want to move into open debate, okay


okay open debate, uh is there any other points that you want to add on , uh so ya maybe you want to summarise my point first


yes, and and and and also the amount of uh news that you can access on the internet is much more than a physical newspaper lah ya


talk lah, yes yes yes, yes I, yes I agree with that so uh that was what I agree with so my point is that uh if let's say for example let's take


err ST as err as an example right it, err, they are providing the same content online and versus their physical paper exact same content same layout same photos ya so in that case , I agree that it still works if the medium it's a true uh a digital platform that one is relevant but it is not relevant uh it's already irrelevant when it uh in the form of physical newspaper and it clearly states


uh in I mean what is happening on the ground right now it's true because like even distributors of physical newspaper for ST are losing jobs already because the demand is just so low, ya so that's the point I I agree with your points but ya my points is another that angle of uh, err debate ya


, it, ya that's what I'm saying I'm saying the news is relevant because the statistic shows that the traffic uh the readership did not drop but then it moves from medium to medium medium a to medium b


so example there's hundred people who read monthly with ST right initially fifty on physical newspaper fifty on digital now you see the trend is that maybe they are left with ten, on the uh physical newspaper but ninety is on the uh digital platform now so it shifted not not saying that the the power of the content drop no the the readership is the same


!huh! my my argument it


ah


ya, no that


that's why my point is that, that's why my point is that the content the the words on the newspaper is relevant but it's the physical paper the medium that is not if there is irrelevant I'm not saying that content is uh irrelevant which is the


exactly what I define initially I'm saying newspaper in this case for me refers to the physical paper, not the contents ya so all your points I, agree with I only uh disagree to the point where , that


yes yes yes that was the point


part two debate topic two


eh sorry the first point okay the first point was , uh the first, ya freedom of expression second point was


which is also , okay then the third point is like extremity when people are against you they can attack you, okay actually uh all the points that you stated right uh was taken into consideration before I come to a decision that I'll be on uh uh opposing side right because


like what you said the definition that you have is the same as mine meaning to say to be on any form of media uh with an identity for your case but for my case is without an identity, err, eh sorry for to remain anonymous okay so for my case is I would uh agree to having


uh, the identity , transparent uh in any form of media , ya so uh the the first thing right uh psychologically instinctively I think everybody when thinking about being anonymous they are


the, it's a positive acceptance from people because uh basically it's like walking into a room of strangers right and and and then you don't have uh you don't have to worry about any judgment and then it's like oh travelling to a new city which is why exactly people like to travel because it's like where you don't know anybody there


so I think it create a a a mindset that people think cyberspace as, uh a kind of like imaginary space without true boundaries lah where which , does not play the same uh rules or standards in the real world uh which I think is good initially


and then uh but then when I when I try to think about what kind of people would want to be anonymous so firstly first group of people which is what exactly what you said right like people who are worried of like , uh showing their identity uh being exposed to extreme people being exposed to unnecessary hurt or even like security of sensitive information like uh bank account uh your your uh your health reports blah blah so


that is the first group of people who , clearly uh I would say on the on the good side and then there is another group of people who are , uh on the dark side which uh why do they want to keep themself anonymous because this group of people uh wants to make use of this


this this this benefit right I mean this feature right given to them uh in uh internet in a in a uh online world to engage in uh socially undesirable activities, so , so it's a balance between like the good at the bad right and then uh


if we choose to uh, we we chose to remain anonymous than we are like , kind of , we are giving the good people like a a a a, uh , a protection but then also at the same time we are giving a chance for more cyber crimes so


then , uh I chance upon a study right which , err has uh, five thousand people are in the study and uh the the surprising outcome is that fifty three percent of the interviewees actually admitted that the the intention of wanting to be anonymous right uh was for a malicious activities uh such as like hacking uh of uh websites uh data


or harassing uh internet users or , like what I say engaging in socially undesirable activities example, visiting uh sites that uh depict violence or pornography or downloading files illegally like movies blah blah blah ya that kind of thing so


actually even people within that survey right says that , for, the greater good right , most people are actually a majority of the people are willing to sacrifice through anonymity for this case so which is why my argue point is that


yes err, having anonymous err may be good for, the good people, but then uh overall for the greater good that it would be wiser to, uh to reveal the identity


in media yup


uh from a survey from a survey of five thousand people which you can determine whether that sampling size is a good representation,


okay, a valid point double-edged sword, so I just think that when addressing a problem right uh I mean this this, this stand that I make is based on a current uh situation right so imagine that you have a problem then I would say if this problem is massive


uh meaning to say majority uh agree that okay this is uh, uh I mean the problem is causing uh issues for majority of the people then I guess the first thing is how to cut off , uh the problem immediately and to minimise the impact on the people because it's affecting majority of people then with that with that uh uh with that immediate


cutting off of uh the issues then we can look at how to resolve the cause of the, problem, so what they are saying is when the cause of the problem right can uh be uh, be spotted and then be


be targeted then uh eventually we don't need this uh stopper, to on the ground to resolve the issue agree but then uh I'm just saying at this point of time because the problem is affecting majority based on uh the interview uh I mean the study that I I excited so which is why I feel that uh the most immediate action is still to have a a stoppage err right now and then


when it reaches the point that like what you said a law has managed to, uh prevent uh people from even , uh having this thought and then there will be more people on the good side versus the dark side then okay yes agree then then we don't really need this


yes uh, yup


any other points to add on, okay , do you want to try to uh summarise, uh what are the the overall points that we have of this debate


okay do you have any uh examples that you can, , you can uh give in terms of err from a proposition point of view, just out of curiosity I would like to find out more from your end


, as in like uh you are saying that uh people , should have the rights right to remain anonymous like maybe from your personal experience what do you think is good from remaining anonymous


yup, sensitive, yup


okay then then for my case I think one one very good example right for my stand , is a, I'm not sure whether you guys are aware but then like uh there's this uh saga between Xiaxue and the vigilante guy right so I think in that case because the guy uh was was


was kind of like uh attacking her from the from a a anonymous identity lah so in that case I guess , , #xiaxue#'s end felt threatened right and and


ya ya so so so in in this example then I would think okay if everyone uh has to uh reveal the identity when it comes to, uh like, think presence on the media then ya I guess uh in cases like that it would be beneficial lah then it don't have to end up as a lawsuit


ya, , ya


ya, ya


ya okay, yup


ya okay so I think so I think there's a few arguments over here right but overall to wrap up I feel that uh at both has their point but as long as majority people are on the good side then there is no harm , staying anonymous but if majority of the people are still uh with the intention of malicious act then I guess uh the the current way to prevent that from uh being worse is to


to uh, be transparent about the identity


oh okay yup I can start first okay, so this debate is around the, the topic of social media should not have the rights to store, and use our personal information and my stand would be


uh I agree with this and by agreeing with this it means that , my point is that no information should be retained by a social media in their database, if there is no consent given by the individual so uh it means that I feel if there is consent given then uh social media have the rights to


to, uh keep it in their database but it has to go through a process of whether it's being consent by the individual or not lah so first point why I think uh social media should not default have the rights to store it right is because uh of identity protection


so , I think uh it depends on individual right so imagine like , if you are a celebrity and you are uh and so many people know you you are a public figure then not given the the choice to


to, retain your uh to to keep your information from the social media right is like putting a celebrity right in a room full of paparazzi, so I feel that , for cases like that right uh, actually identity protection is a very important and very very valuable there's also this I mean uh for for people commoners


like us right we may not value this as much but then if we put our if we put ourselves in the point I I mean from the point of view of someone who is a public figure for example like obama he was being interviewed right and then uh the interviewer actually ask him this question so uh what is that


you really want to do that they won't let you do, so his answer was actually very simple he actually said I would love to just be taking a walk and then, I run into and then I run into you and then you are sitting on a bench and suddenly I say !hey!


jerry how are you and you said I'm doing pretty good, uh what are you doing and I say nothing just a saturday morning so so you imagine like someone who is a ex-president would would actually value a lot of this kind of thing when they are uh put in a position of a public figure so I think uh everyone should be given the option whether to


uh, uh feel like they want to give , uh the social media the rights to uh store their information uh including uh identity as well uh next thing is security so by allowing social media to default store it right is actually exposing users to a lot of like database because uh nobody knows what's the security level of a social media


and if , there is loopholes in their security uh system, then it's potentially exposing to , people uh as victims to cyber crimes or harassment so uh from that sense I think today's technology


it's not , that foolproof yet even like uh big brands also get hacked, so uh, I think they should not default have it but then uh with the consent of the individuals right it makes things easier for both parties


and then no one start pointing fingers right when this kind of thing happens, and then uh next point is , uh next point is , uh how do social media actually uses our data right so uh in today's world we all know that social media platforms uh generate their majority of revenue through selling uh data which is why data is so powerful today right so by


by selling it doesn't mean selling our data information to another uh company, but, by generating revenue , from the data that they have so for example like , uh allowing targeted uh advertising based on algorithm mining and then


also uh, also allowing , uses to, uh be exposed to all the different ads lah based on like their uh business model so , I think when , uh this kind of behaviour it's uh


happening on social media then , there should be a consent lah given to, to, I mean there there should be a choice lah of, uh whether users want to be exposed to all these things or not because end of the day it's their data and then by allowing


social media to just default take it right is like telling is is like as as good as telling people that oh I I'm I'm, I'm very uh okay to let everybody know that at this point of time is my uh it's a change of , stage in my life like for example a woman getting pregnant you don't even need to tell anybody by pulling data they probably know because you start viewing of maternity wear


for example uh or uh for example uh when people , uh , at that stage like in uh a very extreme case for example uh I want to go through sex change, do I want people to actually know what I'm uh searching for


or looking through in social media uh may not be uh you may not be want uh you may not want to be that transparent lah so even like when you're googling sensitive topics in public right using your phone you tend to hide the screen from others then uh I feel that in this case then why would people want to


to, uh default allow social media to be pulling their data it's like , , they should be given the choice lah to at any point of time consent that or also to withdraw from it, so that's my, point


against, no no no not having the right , should have the right to store


okay so the question about celebrity so I think uh the point that is an example but I think the point here is that that's in extreme case right uh but I feel that any user on social media right should have the human rights right to actually uh choose, when and uh when not to opt out of this


uh this uh this, this consent given to the social media uh company so uh you mentioned that , err china is on the forefront you mentioned about uh facebook company that uh actually has data so uh actually do you know that all these things that you are talking about in current situation right is already being governed right by a default law right that


users needs to consent before they actually uh before the social media company can actually uh take in the data so which is why every time when you see that you log into you sign-up for uh social media platform right , there is uh terms and condition where you have to consent to uh most people don't read it but then it's there because uh it's being governed by someone uh in the background which is why companies is is abiding to all these rules lah so


if we are saying that uh social media should have the rights to store and use our personal information without giving consent okay if that is the which is what is the point I'm saying over here right if we agree to this statement right it would mean that today we are changing the whole playground eh, so meaning to say we are telling social media companies that eh you can uh uh get users to sign-up but you don't have to agree to the terms and condition anymore


you know there is no such rules to govern as these things anymore you're saying that now facebook's are, doing things in a very legit manner uh most tech companies are doing it in a very legit manner uh and and that is with that is because in reality today there is a law to govern all these things so if we're saying that we don't need this law and removing this law would still remain the same then uh I I don't I don't agree to that lah because


, when it's uh, revenue-generating uh opportunity I think people, when there is no rules governing around it right then I guess the the the , the possibility of uh swaying out of boundaries could be there lah so uh if you were to ask me why I agree to this because I think the current uh way of governing this uh rights for data right is


it's kind of the sweet spot at this point of time because AI companies are still growing people are still mining data it is progressing uh whether be it in china or europe right , uh it is still progressing in a very exponential manner lah so I feel that there is no need to remove this uh governing law at this point of time


yup so overall , that is how I feel about, this , topic but then uh to to summarise right I I mean I'm not saying that we have to go on to extreme ends right like whether uh zero data or hundred percent data is not that case but it's just


at certain point of time I think uh every individual should have the rights to say okay I don't want you to be collecting data during this stage of my life like for example there are, sensitive issues that I don't want to expose but I think most majority of the people are comfortable with whatever it is today so it's actually fine because the amount of data we have is actually a lot at this point of time


okay (ppc) okay


uh okay I'll just dive straight to the point I will just begin my uh, uh my side of view opposition by , uh the definition Jia-Ling has already uh define so I'll just go straight onto my uh


uh my side, of the argument uh before I go into, , addressing uh Jia-Ling point earlier, okay so in the age of internet TV and newspaper has become uh irrelevant


I, uh do not agree uh for number one, uh newspaper itself , but still have their, err err


certain err cultural err element to it, uh when it comes to uh reading of newspaper uh, before we even start, to uh you know err


before even before the uh age of uh social media err news was circulated via newspaper and TV uh these are the basically the two medium , and it actually holds err an important historic culture


our society nowadays so I do not believe that during this time, uh this culture is going to be shift away in the next one or two generation or so the newspaper has what Jia-Ling has say it's actually uh uh function itself and you're not arguing about the way


uh how the newspaper is being circulated we are actually arguing, on the uh the the, the the function itself as a newspaper so , uh in that sense I believe newspaper here


can mean to say reading, newspaper online reading of newspaper in the digital platform, or uh such as handphone laptops or a tablet, err so (ppc) in that sense


uh, as what I have mentioned just now uh, newspaper holds a historic , element and has a certain cultural , uh elements to it so uh


in that sense uh it, is somewhat uh timeless, uh so that's my number one view uh that's my first point, , now my second point is that inside newspaper is actually uh the content inside newspaper it's covered by a paid person such as a reporter a journalist someone who is experience in that field so


this actually lands a certain credibility to uh the content inside the newspaper as of, oppose to content that we found on other side outside of newspapers such as uh youtuber vloggers


uh and and other, uh non professional uh uh content creator, and for one the newspaper when it's being circulated uh via whichever medium


they are they form, they uh, they form a certain , uh , approve medium by uh, certain uh legal state such as the government


so we can be sure that whatever news that is being uh uh circulated around, uh it is proper uh research has been done uh it has gone through a few vetting before uh the news is able to be published online of course you can say that there may be uh government or or or or or


certain uh entity may use newspaper as a propaganda against a selfish benefit uh, but this is uh an argument for another day which is not, err uh, uh to be plot on here


so uh , okay and then my third argument is that uh, ya I know , okay so and then uh my third view is that it actually newspaper is still relevant because it as I said it's a paid medium it actually create jobs


for the uh people here, uh especially uh as you can see when the news agency agency is being set-up, ya, you know there is uh the there's a printing team there is uh journalist there's a reporter there's a scriptwriter there's an editor so


uh there's a certain economy contribution economic contribution to allow uh setting up a a news agency so uh, uh, in in that sense it's actually , my my argument yeah so


three points, it actually uh gives us uh yeah, yes correct


okay, okay so


hold on ah, okay, so uh so Jia-Ling just now mentioned that there's a certain convenient to uh news that's published outside newspaper that man a certain convenient to uh someone to a reader err and it's much more convenient than compared to uh newspaper is that correct so so


so nowadays newspaper can, okay, okay because of the internet what it what they does is they combine a lot of news from different sources and then newspaper actually just come from err one singular agency so uh that aside


nowadays in the digital era why don't we see we are also able to see newspaper that is printed not just on uh physical paper itself we can see newspaper being circulated through a a tablet through an online platform that's, digital that are also convenient at the same time that are also published


and can be pushed through uh uh uh a media that a device that is has a has convenience as compared to uh whatever news that is pushed through the internet, so yup


so, how in what way are you able to show that they are actually losing job because of the irrelevancy of newspaper and whether, uh, uh, rather than other other factors here, how how to how do you actually know that they are actually losing job because of


uh the irrelevancy of newspaper, it could be because, the news is still relevant it's just that the medium they were distributing in


yup, (mmhmm),


so so, so in terms of relevancy how would it be relevant when people are, going out in the market to read social media and they know that their social media news may not be even be true you know when you when you go over to a social media right you know that the content are free content are easily we are easily accessible by everybody and


when certain things are free and you do not have to pay for it err don't you feel that there is uh it lacks a certain integrity to uh whatever the news that is published so when the news can be the chances of a news that can be seem circulated


are likely to be false uh how would it be relevant in an era where uh, uh where there are so many err news published from different sources uh, uh how can


okay okay, where news are being circulated via a physical newspaper


okay uh alright K, part two debate topic two, okay so , uh this current topic is that uh people has the right to remain anonymous when portrayed in media so I'll just define what is anonymous


uh meaning your identity or whatever information or your history or track record uh that is being uh uh uh, that is being identified online , is being uh withheld from uh whoever is reading your whatever material uh any any footprint that is able to connect you back to your own to identify you as a person as a living human being is will be erased and moved from anybody so there's anonymity uh when portrayed in media or say portrayed in whatever form


uh quoting uh , when when people are interviewing you when when uh in the form of pictures, in a form of uh interview recording or or , uh and and stuff like that so uh okay so like so uh let's let's begin


okay uh people have the so what I uh propose here is actually people have the right to remain anonymous when portrayed in media because for number one, uh when you have a certain anonymity in in in media


it actually encouraged uh certain degree, of freedom of expression uh people do not have to worry about whether if their ideas, or or their , their their opinion or their way of thinking or


uh it's actually being judged by somebody else in this way information can be can flow freely knowledge ideas can exchange can be exchanged in a very unhindered manner


in such a case, when ideas are gathered uh it can probably and potentially give rise to new , invention new way of thinking new way of life that will help and serve to benefit the community so uh so that's number one


uh number two uh I feel that when , err, you know , uh when you are not uh when when a certain there's a certain non-meeting it online


it gives uh certain protection to uh somebody who is uh not afraid of being judged uh for example like a a teenager who is trying to seek help uh say, maybe uh he has uh maybe


uh certain illness or certain uh mental problem that he feels that he may be uh slighted or criticised by the public uh and then dare not speak up and then thereafter uh what happened is that


the the seriousness of the illness start to uh increase, uh and then it give rise to another other problem and stuff like that so, in this way it actually help people to open up to uh try to get help through uh whatever platform uh uh uh uh


in the middle and also serve to highlight uh certain problem that people, do not uh dare to speak up uh right now so, as you can see where our society is being built on uh is that uh where people are able to uh speak freely of their uh uh their problems and then after problem then can be solved so uh that's another view so and then my third point here is that


, in a sense usually in media, uh when your uh uh profile is being put online there may be extremist who do not agree with your idea and if you can be identified as a person you are actually exposing yourself to


uh certain degree of uh uh a chance of being attacked by somebody who do not agree with your idea so , in a way when people who are trying to do good to the society by uh are coming up to speak out about particular problem it actually


uh expose a person a a person to a degree of uh uh a danger so uh in that sense I believe that uh, people has the right to remain anonymous when portrayed in the media, ya


the freedom of expression, err second point is that people can actually be less hindered to try to seek help, uh when they have any problem uh that they feel like they may be judged


correct correct


(ppc)


okay okay so , okay uh so okay so the idea is that uh the way I see is that your main argument here is , uh people tend to do bad stuff when they when they come online and then they are able to hide their identities


is that correct and statistics also have proven that uh when they are protected from a certain uh exposure to identity they tend to gravitate towards uh doing bad stuff, is that right, okay


okay, so so my argument here to you is that , when somebody do bad stuff uh as you can see the social media nowadays they are more being regulated you know especially uh


uh when it comes to singapore there is this new law, uh the POFMA for the uh the protection from online falsehood and uh, uh uh uh, manipulation so what happened here is that uh the chances of people who are able to use social media abuse social media and do something bad


, it's starting to decline because of increased uh uh regulatory legal and government enforcement uh in that sense, so


it's just like uh it's just like a person who is buying uh say buying a knife you know there is a certain uh, degree of of education in educating the person not to use a knife, to harm somebody right


so in that sense social media can be seen as using a knife uh what happened here is that uh if we are able to remove the people from, having the inclination to do bad online it can actually uh potentially maximise the benefit of uh people coming online and then be anonymous


stop being judged and uh able to air their view freely and try to seek help so in that sense I feel that the this the this is my uh side argument to yours when you say that uh


uh, social media uh where people are anonymous people tend to abuse social media for a bad intention so uh this is mitigated in in in in in in this manner so, uh yup ya


yes


okay yup


uh no that's that's all from me, ya, okay uh to close it up uh I would say that


uh what happened here is that uh , to remain anonymous has its benefit uh weight such as uh as I said earlier freedom of speech people get to uh freely share ideas


uh and then it they also help to protect yourself from a certain degree of attack uh by somebody , it's just like when you enter uh you know when you when when you go into public that time, , you do not have to tell people


you know who you are where you are from uh, unless there's an interested party to want to know to try to get to know you then you consent to yourself uh being allowed to be identified as who you are and then you interact with that person right


so you do not go out and say maybe there's there's somebody with malicious intent and yet you still open yourself up to tell the person eh I'm who I'm who I am and uh please uh do whatever you want to me so uh in that sense