ya, ya, I I think you drive a very good point on, dependency on the world power dependency on oil that they are so dependent that they're actually willing to go to war


like the gulf war you mention to start a war to actually kill people to get oil that's something that is not, uh we can, would that wouldn't cross our mind that uh you would do something just for energy resources


uh, it it it only drive that no actually uh, how power-hungry the politicians are you know for oil, uh that that there is a actually that you mentioned the greta there is a


disconnect ah between the older generation and the younger generation that the older generation still in power in politics, uh and they're power-hungry, they are, the mindset ah is not that uh flexible


they are still in a phase where [orh] oil is the only thing to go for, and then compare to our generation or the even youngers one, there are we are used to new technology that you know we know that this is a viable option that we should change it to


but somehow we don't have enough power to do it, cause the person making the decision, up there, ah, uh, uh older generation people who is still have majority of their life ah has revolve around oil


like, for example uh politician in their sixties or, even seventies, you can say, from young uh from his whatever he he like, ten years old till now


uh it's all oil, so to, to tell them that uh renewable energy is also a viable sources is a hard thing for them to switch over to, uh which is also the main problem with uh changing mindset lah


is sometimes, you are just so used to it to something for so long already that, maybe you do know that you know it is a viable resources but you just, you have the I'm lazy you know uh already so old already I'm so I'm so used to using uh oil


uh why why you want to make me switch over to a renewable energy now, that's why a a good analogy would be a old person, they would still want to use uh, some of them lah, they will still prefer to use the phone with a number pad


instead of a smartphone now, or they are lazy to go to the new technology of, no, Facebook or use internet to google for answers or read


uh newspaper on uh on iPad nowadays so this boils down to the older generation, there are difficulty in uh finishing ah, changing, ya


(hmm), okay


which I know you I don't agree also ,


, ya


ah okay ah eh I I start off maybe with I actually guilty of, uh, not using those tote bags at NTUC, I I


it sometimes ah is really out of convenience ah the plastic bag is there you know I I will just take you know put my stuff and sometimes when we do groceries shopping is, is uh along the way then we do it and we didn't bring the tote bags so I try to make a effort to bring the tote bag uh to I do grocery shopping lah but that's maybe five time out of ten times then I will bring the tote bag ah


so is the the convenient is really there that I it makes me, feel lazy to bring that tote bag ah okay that that's besides the point uh uh whether is uh regulation is the solution to all environmental problems and not education I


disagree uh regulation is is necessary but it only should be a uh regulation that comes after education


uh eighty percent of your uh population is uh fairly educated


so uh this I think that this uh regulation any form of uh regulation from government ah should comes after , uh there is a consensus with uh majority of the population then after that you put out a regulation to enforce it on the rest of the population who is not educated uh


there is a very good example of uh uh in japan that their uh their recycling rate is actually up to ninety nine point nine percent, no they are able to recycle majority of their uh drinking cans and their household products


their is the at the back of their mind at which the just now #hui xiong# has measured before being mindful of uh all this problem so to them uh it's already it's already uh


back of their thoughts that you have to do it you know it's not something that oh it's uh government regulate me to do it therefore I do it it suppose to be like chinese uh filial piety you is uh second nature thing to do uh you naturally will sort out all these uh


ah waste into their proper bins and all these it


definitely I, I would like to see more regulation uh, ah, uh in singapore on environmental issues because I do feel that uh we are educated but not educated on environmental issues at all our younger generations are more attuned to uh


uh, uh climate change uh on rubbish on even straws uh the unis have uh eight there was a period of time where the there was a video online of a, fisherman or or was it a diver he actually found a turtle with the straw stuck onto the nose of the nostril of the turtle and that drive uh


uh uh, uh movement to reduce the number of straws uh in the campus and therefore they uh took out all the straws even uh actually in the whole of singapore , uh that comes with uh sort of education you knew about this problem and therefore there was changes and there was no regulation from uh the singapore government to reduce uh that restaurants should not use straws but it was actually uh


education per say that drove the private sectors or the unis or, to reduce the number of usage of straws so uh that is take there is a very important uh point on education which uh people think that education is also


something you have to study uh in school or something that you can only be studied in school, but education is also about, day to day life that you understand things uh even through a simple videos on YouTube about the fisherman uh I I mean the straw stuck at on the nostril that is something uh


it's also part of education which we should not deprive people of, uh having said that uh


uh actually it's okay let drive the circular reference again ah uh the straws actually surface another problem also that uh this is what I heard from uh from my interns ah cause they are still in unis now


she was saying that uh they because of the movement of this uh reduced straw almost a majority of her friends actually bought , uh those uh metals metal straws with all the plastics and all this and it became such an issue that know it didn't really help with the uh


so it it somehow this education has a double edge ah you want to educate them on environmental problems but you have to make sure that they understand every aspect of it also


you cannot think that uh okay I don't want to use the straws from uh maybe KFC therefore I go and buy the metal straw and I only use it, in KFC only but uh have you ever thought about not using straws at all and just drink from the cup


ya I mean that makes sense to me lah you just don't use straw lah you don't even have to go and buy a metal straw to , which you have to dig up you have to clear the forest to dig up the ground cause more problem to get the raw material to make the straw and the straw is encased in plastic which uh and you you have to be quite stupid to not think about it also


but uh uh but it's actually a, uh a good move lah that uh you people are moving in uh slightly moving forward in the right direction but not in the


at first step ah to solving problem and not definitely not regulation and also education must be educated in a right way you know be sure that everyone understand the problem you know and before even implement solution make sure you


oh you make sure you uh understand all aspect of it lah or before you do anything stupid like buying metal straws which is also not helping with the problem also, if the government were to uh make any regulation


and about environmental issues and enforce it on people without educating the people uh the people will only be more resentful of the government uh the authorities uh for doing that you know if you don't educate the people uh if okay if the people don't understand


uh and and luckily we have a sort of a good government that uh is more inclined to guard environmental issues , that if you were to enforce all this problem onto eh enforce all this regulation onto uh the people and not doing the first step of educating uh you only


give a negative impact on uh impression on your people that you know uh we're not thinking about this at the moment this is I mean if you are not educated and do you think about if you didn't think this is a problem why is the government enforcing it on us why is there a regulation that doesn't make sense to me


so it in in the end it will uh drive people away from all these environmental problems ah that uh you know a regulation that I don't understand is being enforced on me therefore I shall reject it and also reject if there is any environmental problems


making it even harder to solve the problem itself, ya


ya ,


we the electricity that we use are actually not that environmental friendly that's why maybe you cannot find a lot of information on it


ya , ya,


I do hope we that we can move forward to solve all environmental problems ah


[orh] okay,


so we can proceed already ah, okay, topic one, okay so I start first the proposition how far is recycling


the answer, okay so, I think, uh, uh, not the whole answer to the problem of waste but is uh


answer, to the problem of waste because, uh, we we can, reduce wastage ah, ya because all the waste that we throw, uh into the


into the bin, all these right uh, if we part of part of them we can, use to recycle I think, uh it is very good, uh, to solve part of the problem of wastage ah


ya that's my, proposition, ,


if if I'm waiting for him to speak do I need to mute my mic, uh if if he is speaking do I, need to mute my mic


no mute ah so we we we just leave it, okay, okay, so so uh, #wai xiong# was saying that uh the, uh it's not the main answer to the, uh


our usage, which is the root of the problem, for all the wastage lah, cause everything, everything in this world, is uh, very easy to buy


everything we can buy online even during circuit breaker, everything we can just click online online then a lot of plastic, then a lot of boxes, that we can just, just throw, so, so technically uh as the world go more advance right


uh, are having more and more lah, but uh, to me right, if we if we look at the, uh, problems like in the third world ah


or the, , ya so, if


there's a blue bin, ya the blue bin is for the recycling lah so, I think if if


the whole world is make more known to, to such, recycling the importance of recycling right, then I think


uh we can, at the end of the day, become, so partly, partly I think, is uh


initiative lah, from the government, ya, in general I think


we'll still, will be quite important lah,


okay, okay, understand, ya, so you are right lah because uh, uh recycling is uh, a answer to the problem of wastage


ya, and it it will be never complete because uh, uh, because waste doesn't doesn't consist of only uh recyclable product, , like uh


and, the right to say that uh, we we have all all sorts of uh


uh materials being being bought lah all the boxes all these and even food ah, because uh, even even like, during circuit breaker all these we we thought that uh


all the, uh, waste should be reduced because less shopping, uh, less going out uh less car, but in the end everyone uh GrabFood, foodpanda


ya deliveroo all these, and end up, for all the convenience right, we waste a paper bag


all these and, and this uh, these are the things that is ah non-recyclable, no matter whatever we do, ya, because these are food wastage, uh as in as in food waste ah food waste they are


they are, uh single-use plastic they're not not supposed to be recycled one, ya, but I think, as far as all these are concerned


beside nonrecyclable products right I think, uh everyone should still try their best like uh maybe even a can of coke, or a bit a bottle of wine, after consuming we should just wash it up


throw into, then throw it in the, blue bin


again lah, in a large scale like like what you have mentioned, they they have been burnt then, uh create a reclaimed land ah, so so in the large scale it is still


uh, I think is quite, quite useful lah quite important, that, uh I think in general, uh, maybe out of hundred household maybe only


forty or fifty currently, are, are, recycling all these ah because we cannot see all the effect, of recycling, uh how it help us all these, because we when we recycle we also don't


don't earn money, ya so I think it is, very important that uh, uh more people start to use, this initiative, to to be mindful of all the things that they use ah


ya, straw all all the all the straw boxes that come come with uh


used to be cycle one, ya, in, this is uh


it is not the answer to the problem of waste ah because the root cause is still, uh, the purchasing by the consumer, so I think, ah, all in all I think recycling, can still be a good


an important way, waste ah overall, so that uh, we don't need to, we we don't need to mine mine all the materials in the natural resource to create new one


so that uh, uh, we also help to save the environment


kay down, okay, so I can


okay so so examining the trend that the world is too dependent on oil so I am the proposition now, then, uh, ya I think, the world is really too dependent on oil, uh, in fact the whole world lah


ya look at how much oil we are, we are using, everyday, uh, almost every single thing, uh, using ah because oil


is the, uh uh, energy uh production, for, from


all these ah till, even, uh defence for SOSA, all these we, we, we we need oil lah, ya so I think it is a, uh, the world is really too dependent on oil and it is a


a , it is a resource that, is uh, finite, ya, that means one day it will be, use up, ya so I think I think


from, all the world point of view especially the first world, and like the most advanced world like the USA, is I think uh, we are all too dependent on, on oil


all everything as we go more, more digital, the the more, oil, like transport


we are too we are we are getting more and more dependent, on oil, oil


okay, so I, thank you for the knowledge on the solar energy , ya so I also learn a lot lah, so, ya lor I uh uh, agree that uh


the world is moving too slow, uh, from from the oil, dependency, to, to relying on renewable energy, ya, because uh, I think


uh, we are still a lot of things are still dependent on oil then people don't see the practicality, on, solar energy, they, they they don't see the impact on


all the, uh, environment lah, I mean, from like the greenhouse gases all these all these we we read online, then, uh ignore it lah ya, doesn't matter lah maybe by the time


uh, all the ice melt, uh I already die already, so I don't really care, , ya, ya so, I think, very dependent on oil and they


for example, uh, not sure if you read about the swedish girl, the student greta, uh, uh, ya so, so actually she is, the uh


been having school strike, to, for climate change lah for for for global for the activities ah but then


politician they are more, uh, for the big picture, like like I think one of, the, politician also commented


before, uh, she, she come and have a strike on the global climate change, but, ya so so that is the respond, government politician the worldwide leaders ah


that there may be support lah but but there are still a lot of them who are resisting the change, ya, uh uh the, oil, the coal


the fuel right, they they maybe this they I think they still create a lot of jobs for for people, ya so, so that, the, uh the government some of the leaders are resistant to the change, ya


that, ya [loh] so, so I think, it is moving, toward, , renewable energy, but uh a little, too slowly, but I think we can see that more


all european country, is uh, are probably moving, more forward, towards renewable, energy, that, then uh, their cities are powered by renewable energy


much more than a few years back, ya, so so I think, even like the, french company, , ya they they are they are moving a lot, uh, sustainability


ya I think the the, uh, the europeans are moving, towards these, ah efficiently, so, I think the, the the, the world


probably, they are still very dependent, maybe maybe china, cause, I think, think, uh a lot of population


ya, to to sustain their their, equipment, maybe the, the


so they need, they found, some, south china sea


then they will be like !wah!, all mine, all mine , ya, so so I think oil is still, very very dependent on, most country, especially these big countries ah


impactful on the environment or not, and then another thing is, uh, even, like iraq, the middle east ah, ya


they they have a lot, war going on even from the gulf war, during the, uh, two zero zero, there are a lot of speculation that, uh uh


just because for their oil, ya, this a speculation, ya to to to to, two, yes, ya so


so so, this is how to the extent on, how uh, uh , a strong country will go, to, for for the sake of oil lah, ya whether is for for their military


are also, also dependent on, on oil


okay done okay so proposition


more regulation, okay so uh regulation in the sense that uh, uh regulated by government, uh policies that uh


to solve environment problems lah, uh, not education meaning, that uh we skip uh probably in school we study about environmental problems uh not so uh effective so I think uh maybe the background is that uh


uh when when we study, environmental problem, uh and stuff all these in school uh it maybe very enthu lah ya very I want to be a a good person I want be a good citizen ya all these


but by the time we come out to work, err and especially in a very fast pace uh society uh what we worry primarily is uh earning uh bringing money home uh to feed our families all these


ya so for example, you ask me to, save uh environment, uh, reduce plastic bag, uh don't use plastic bag in NTUC uh very troublesome ah all these ya so unless


you you say you impose, a twenty cent fifty cent per plastic bag, and probably uh I will start using my, own, uh recycling bag


in a lot of countries like korea or, I think hong kong they are already starting this thing ah in, by all the grocery stores and, some of the uh food stalls ya so I think this is one uh example that if


we don't impose anything, uh most people will just uh, just take heck lah !aiya! I I I'll just, do what is necessary for me now, because uh in the near


environmental problem is, uh decades one ah so when people don't feel such a thing they they don't really care uh what's in front of them [loh] ya


same


you cannot impose a lot of regulation , , ya ya this one I agree because uh, uh I think last two, three years there was uh, impose on the, uh thirty percent off for water


ya, for for water charges so I think, uh, that one is important because, , I mean I I also will feel the pain but then I think it's important, to because uh, we are learning how to be self-reliant on


water ya NEWater our NEWater because we all we we we always depending on other country for water especially malaysia so I think that that regulation itself you're right it created more resentment to the people than uh than anything lah


ya because we are totally, not aware of what is uh the price increase for ya that there was totally I I I mean probably a few almost to none that that is uh


education online, we need to impose water price increase up during that time ya then uh I think it's also good point that uh like culture like japanese they didn't have any regulation and then they uh they are also very uh


very cultured uh very cultured in, all the environmental problems ya so uh one one of the thing uh in my own experience right is that uh


like environmental problem, so, for example our, electricity now, we, we have a choice now not not just go through, SP we, we can choose different providers, and save our money so in


there are one or two providers right, uh, they provide pure solar energy, ya ya ya Sunseap oh okay you you ya oh okay


ya lor so they are the one, ah that provides you can choose one percent solar fifty percent or hundred percent powered by solar, so uh, I I tried to research ah because recently I know, then uh then


only Sunseap and Sembcorp are giving pure solar the rest are, uh, REC renewable energy certificate, so is not a pure solar lah, so they can actually power our house, through pure solar energy and


I tried to find people to discuss, this, research done on this also, is, purely the research in the line Google are purely on


price how much we can save all these so I think that uh if we can use some renewable energy and, maybe we don't save twenty percent like the most cheap, open market


maybe we save like ten percent off, uh, of the SP original tariff right, to use, solar energy I I I think is quite good lah, ya is not, it's not that ah if I use solar it will be more expensive than SP


services, but if I can use renewable energy I can still save some, but not so much I think is still a good initiative ah but uh I think no oh SP ya so so my point is that uh


uh I think people they know that, uh I I I need to, at the end of the day, uh


unless the solar is the cheapest now


okay, me, ya how do I start


is it is it there okay, I, what thing is it to save, the animal species, I feel like we should , save the plant and animal species which are endangered to extinction cause


cause I mean we need these kind of things to , like you know like , it's quite important to like history you know like it's better for us to keep certain things like example I heard that lion species is going extinct or


like if I'm if I'm not wrong a certain breed of a lion is get going extinct so it's like do we need, these kind of animals to still be alive so that our future generations can see them in the future so that they can learn and physically see them in real life when they go to zoos or to like safari's like you know


ya but like I feel like we just need to still be like more humane and be uh conservative for our, because we are only like I feel like we're always taking over the natural the the environment like the nature environment spaces like we're always


building buildings over it or we are just like we're not caring about all these little little things that we should actually care about cause like , I mean if we want to save plants also if there's no plants at all then like it's quite bad for the environment because like


I mean we need plants to survive also like you know then like if animal species we just need them to be like, we just need them alive and we need a letter balance in life


ya that's what I think, sorry I cannot hear you


ya I mean like and then how are we going to get fresh air or like how you gonna get you know and then plus plants is like saving the plants means like you're also saving the animals cause like some animals like they need , like their natural habitat so like in uh some certain plants they need to survive so it's like it's it's it comes in a pack so if you want to save plants you got to you are gonna save animals too so like


you know you cannot you cannot just save animals and then like you don't save plants like it's it's like a combo that comes together I think that's why


okay so like what what do you care about, (hmm)


uh ya but still I mean there's always a way to be to reserve certain, plants or animal species cause we have so much space I mean there's so many things that we can do alternatively like alternately like like we can


we can do so many other things to help save the plant some certain plants and animals species, that's what I think


yeah but like uh the government loves to , like they they they do invest in building recreational land so , I feel like there there's like you know the whole Marina Bay Sands most of it is recreational right like it's not real singapore land so like if they did that and they can build buildings on it like why not have like a special


part of somewhere in the country that they can reserve certain plants and animals so that the public can come to see it and then they can also generate income from, those kinds of acts cause like they cause if if singapore were to like save plants and like like the rarest plants and they have they saved the uh what of like the rarest species of animals


I think they will attract more people to come and then we can generate more income and like you know for the economy and stuff so like like I guess there's like a given tape but, but I feel like we should really like protect these kind of dangered endangered species cause like


they can do good they can do as both good and bad but like the good just weigh out more so that's what I think


it's what, ya, I mean it does take a long time and a lot of money to build it but however the it's it's it's like an investment like you you just you do pay a lot of money but you get a lot more back and it's like a for a long term cause cause


I what I feel is like it will also benefit us as a country I guess cause like, I mean our our economy especially during the pandemic it's like falling cause of so many things that has to stop so I feel like


it's it's it can be helpful sometimes


well I mean it's more than what it's more than just like the government right now it's like more of what we would, do like as uh we have a part in all this like as the members of the public as just a citizen here in singapore I feel like we should like


we should do something about it like we should we should like not say like protest but like like, we should be more like stand up for our rights like even though we don't really have freedom of speech in singapore but


we still can raise awareness and then maybe somewhere another the government will hear us out and that's how we can actually change, what will happen in the future cause it's like more of what we do it's more of our actions that makes what the government uh it will it will it's a more of what we do is


how is how to say it it's like what we do is what the government would act upon like it will result in whatever decisions they will make, that's what I feel like we should really do our part if you want to like you know make things work


yup, but you know there's like a way to like conserve this kind of animals like , we may not we may not necessarily put them in cages like you know like we don't need to put them like in a like in a enclosed small space we can have them


it'll be like it uh cause it's the twenty first century and I feel like we if fall so much so I feel like the zoos are like animal enclosures or whatever that they they used to like, preserved animal species they I feel like they will evolve uh throughout the years like they will like somehow not use metal bars anymore or glass windows or you know maybe they will have have


like for example night safari like one of the parts of the parks is where the animals are just let off free so that public visitors just need to roam about and you can see and the animals just they don't really feel that they're in


it's not as bad as being in a a very small enclosed space so it's like more of like you can see and the animals just to they don't really feel like that it it's not as bad as being in they're still free they are not caged, like you know so it it's just like how humans and animals can coexist with the same space


but without any harm obviously maybe they would have security there and they would have trained the animals so that they won't attack, unnecessarily, and ya I feel like it can happen it's just that a matter of effort that we actually put in


that can you know


well I mean ya, ya, I get where you come from so get it but I I don't know I feel like


but we still need but we did not, concur like I know you're saying that even if we were to preserve them it will shorten their lives but if we were to actually just like kill them off or like just sent them off that'll be like


like comparing you when you said they were shortened their lifespan to just uh instant death is just like you know it's a comparison but , but I feel like it's just, uh it can be done in a way you know cause the world is huge there's a lot of empty spaces everywhere it is the people don't use of it make use of it


but I feel like animals do play a good part I mean , for as for basic animals like like our meat like why we eat like we eat a lot of meat


like beef or lamb or cows like we do need them still existing cause if they don't exist anymore then like you know we don't you know we don't we don't have food


ya but however, ya but however it's like I know they can breed they can produce more but it's only depending on the the animal itself like can it continue breeding like can it continue you know what it mean like can it


ya, well that's something that we have to work on as humans like as it's not right but like we have to work on it and we have to keep we have to be more open in this kind of things and we have to be like more


we have to be stricter like somehow we have to have at least one person that is passionate about animals and plants so that they're stricter with their the the kind of actions they do and it


ya, well I honestly think that, I just still feel that , that we can achieve it and you are not wrong completely


but it's more of like uh, like the effort put in and and the thought of it like you have to be knowledgeable enough like you have to be like educated in certain parts of the uh


the industry and the you know you cannot just want you just you can't just want to save plants and animal species which are endangered to extinction without knowing like the knowledge of it so you know you just have to know


what you're gonna do and how you're gonna to do it like probably probably plan it, so ya


debate topic two, okay environmental concerns and economic growth cannot coexist


well I think I think they can coexist like I agree with this statement cause I feel like , there are concerns that the environment uh the environmental concerns that we have an economic growth that w ewe are facing like every year or every decade if we change so much the economy changes drastically but


the environment concerns the environmental concerns are like I don't know it feels like, if it can be done in some way like don't you think so


ya I mean the environmental concerns about the environment usually is about like air pollution and like , I don't know there's many littering happening and there's a lot of like , natural disasters like you know there's so many things that happens naturally and then like it kinda affects the economic growth but I feel like it all


it it all is made to have but like it's uh it meant it it happens for a reasons I feel like , they can coexist cause, cause environment there is a nice balance especially in singapore for the environment


and the economic growth to coexist cause like we are at like especially in this pandemic like we are concerned about how the economy is gonna be that how it can drop, or like rise anytime we don't know and their environmental concerns for this pandemic is


how the natural like how we are actually slowly stopping how we operate in life so like , the environment around us changes and the concerns are not so much but like you know even though if it's like a everyday thing like even if it's not during this pandemic I feel like


that we can still coexist like you know I mean, can


oh I mean I disagree and then and then winnie agrees right


oh okay sorry


ya can we use that, okay so yeah I agree that it cannot exist, care together


this is hard, would,


well I mean environmental concerns like, actually like what like what kind of environmental concerns


well, they can really coexist cause, should I just disagree, there


okay I'll start I'll go like no


they can't coexists because , the economic growth it's just very different and the needs of the economic growth is very different like you know it's like , it's very different like the the the kind of priorities that the environment has and that kind of uh priority that they like you get what I mean like the economic has like economy is only like money and like reputation and you know


and environment is more of like nature and we we don't really care about all the materialistic stuff or we don't really care about , who makes how much or what makes you know we don't really the environment concerns that they are really concerned about that they're more concerned about if people are actually gonna takeover


people actually take over the land uh the uh the kind of natural environment that it the the world gives us and that's why I think it can't coexist


but it's like so hard for them to coexist cause like like I just said because these two are like literally they're they're like


like example enemies like the environment just trying to live and then economic growth is just attacking it like air pollution maybe or just as simple as littering like you know the more the economy grows, I feel like they're more the little little things that can hurt the environment and it causes so much concerns like it's it it I don't think they can't


actually coexist cause they they're constantly hurting one another like the economy is always evolving getting better but it it's always getting better far as it's never getting better for the environment so it's like


I feel like it's quite hard and it's never gonna happen but maybe in some, alternate universe it can but I don't see it happening actually cause I mean the we have tried to cope like the environment and the economy has tried to coexist but it just kept


failing and it's always the the amount of, like effort put in it like , like how, like how it like how if


it's it's hard to keep a balance because it's like the economy wants to be wants to grow but at the same time you want to be like conservative because they want to keep the environment but then like they cannot, they cannot be too conservative so that like you know you you the economy cannot work to its fullest if there is something pulling it behind such as the environment


so like the environment is in its way to grow like for the economy to grow but and then vice versa to the environment too cause like the environment it just tries to be, back to its normal state by the economy just keeps growing and like it's evolving so much that you know it it cannot coexist


however I feel like it's so ironic that they do that cause like at the same time they're using , like technology to conserve it like it's it's keeping the things in the domes or the things around it safe and sound but it's not


it's impacting the the external of Gardens by the Bay like the internal of Gardens by the Bay it may that they they technology I I may not know of this but like I don't know how they do it but, from what I see it's like they may be they are


like environmental friendly but it's like more of like the outside like the uh the outside of Gardens by the Bay like it to have Gardens by the Bay it will hurt, the outside like you know I mean like like it it will protect the the plants and whatever that they keep inside Gardens by the Bay but like the the exterior of it like


like the mainland of singapore it can hurt it like like near the waters like Gardens by the Bay did the waters and it's it's like I said just now is a a recreational land so like , ya like building it there means


like you can potentially hurt, the environment the exterior of it


ya, ya but I just feel like (uh huh)


well well I mean ya that can be the case but it's it's just it's just you can do that but I just feel like, like the topic says like can they like they cannot coexist like I feel like


they cannot but at the same time it's like they are coexisting like as we speak like they are coexisting but I feel like they really cannot like that they're like in denial they don't they don't , it's like these two concerns


it's like, it's like they I just feel like they cannot coexist even though they are trying to coexist but they just cannot, like you know I'm not saying they they are if not happening


ya, I mean we don't really I don't really have the exact like if they're harming any of us or they harming to environment like exact research but


they they are failing, ya


ya like they are coexisting, , ya but I don't know I just feel like just can't coexist


ya,


well ya you can be you can learn about plants all you want but you will not have the plants to learn about if you don't you know if you don't protect it, you won't have the knowledge to to learn about it like you don't have the sources


well uh ya that's all I'm trying to say and I release to you fact that they cannot coexist cause it will not happen I I mean they are but like


I don't know I just feel like they cannot like even like like you know I say I cannot do this but in the end I I'm still doing it like you know but I'm just trying ya it's just hard to like start by like


however I feel that, I mean true whatever you said was not wrong, but I just feel like, it's all up to our mentality to to think that we can actually


do it or not but in that case I don't think much, agree also so, I feel like it's gonna be a tough


act to do


well they have a lot of other alternatives to do that I feel so that they have


well, sorry what's your last point again


well while I feel like the economy can benefit a lot from the environment so it it should just like do it separate thing if, if it does things separately I feel like they can they can coexist but they're not doing things separately they are just


they're not so I feel like , they they just cannot


debate topic three, is it possible to protect the environment when many countries require increasing amounts of energy to progress , I I think that it is


it is possible, to protect the environment where many countries are are they require increasing amount of energy because I feel like when you want a, so you wanna progress as a country or as uh anything or do you just wanna progress you have to protect


the other like you have to make sure that like the the the thinking of, progressing it cannot be selfish you can't be selfish so you have to be like you have to think about what is the outcome when the would how it will affect the environment or like how it can affect the environment or


you know like you you have to like think about what are the consequences are gonna be and you're gonna be prepared to like either, like you're you're either avoiding the consequence or you're just trying to make it uh work


and you just you have to try your best and make sure it's a it's a healthy balance and it is fair throughout the progress ah throughout the process of progression so , that is what I I really think that it is possible to protect


yes but yes


while I feel like there are other alternatives like they're just plain lazy I feel that they just burn down the forests to make new grounds but I feel like, they should really like I know it takes a long time to chop off like trees like to even chop off trees it's not even protecting the environment at all but it it takes a while like you gotta understand it takes a while to like slowly you know but with


the right I mean it does come with a cause like you want to build something it does take time and it takes a lot of effort and hard work but however they just chose the easy way out to just burn everything down and it's not only causing


it's it's not only like as you said it's not only causing habitats to demolish or you know, consequences of affecting other people's countries and you know so but it is still possible for them to


to protect the environment where they can actually slowly uh maybe there's like a lot of like example there's a lot of like animals or , certain species or I don't know the insects are like study the place that they want to build I feel like that's that's the way like you you should plan it properly like


like if you want to do something and then like you'd be like you can't just be like !wah! I want to build something there I'm just gonna have it there and I'm just gonna burn everything off there like they have to probably, have like a like a plan like like oh the animals that lives here maybe we can have them rescued and can have them transferred to like a if they are


pet worthy maybe like a uh like a animal rescue centres so that people can adopt and take good care of them or if they're endangered animals like, transfer them to like a like a zoo or you know and animal enclose uh animal enclosure like there is possible and like the trees you can like


they can generate income for selling trees like like where you can even like cut off but not entirely but I you know slowly but maybe not all like you know how there's like a lot if that if tree wise or


you know like plants wise maybe you don't keep all that's going to be crazy like there's gonna be a crazy amount of plants and trees so maybe like just have like study the area and like, like I know it takes time but that's like how it's possible like it is possible to protect the environment cause like


those trees maybe like out of like ten example like ten trees maybe like save two or three and then maybe they can even like sell it to singapore cause singapore wants more tree and then like you know I mean and then like


or they can even plant it elsewhere in their countries like you know like it's not necessarily just burn down or , you know just like concurred area of land and not think about how it's gonna affect the environment both environment and the external like outside the country


yes, ya


ya I understand that it takes time but like today's that's where the companies or whoever that wants to build it has to have enough manpower and they had to have the right equipment like the best equipment they can ever


have like maybe they can still they can still have the best of the best but maybe at a budget like like I know certain projects have a budget so like you know to have the best equipment to work on the project is like, it costs a lot so maybe not had the most expensive one but like the best like it's it's within your budget and it still the best like it's not like the worst equipment or you know or manpower so


well that is not possible because, I mean it's we revolve like technology is evolving so there must be a way like an equipment like a special like not even that it's like maybe it's just straight away like uh like a like a big truck or machine that can just cut off a tree


well yes they do need a lot of energy but however I feel like they just, need to compromise and think about the consequences of using the energy and maybe they will plan


another alternate way like an an an alternative to like you know use something else or use a certain kind of energy where you don't I don't know just as a another way


ya, ya


well you're not completely wrong but however it's it's more of like a , it's more of like a you have to have like a proper


it all falls down to the planning like if they really need to really study how we're going to go about uh removing such things to build over buildings or not we're not even just building by like like uh for example


another another another way that it is possible if the environment were to , ya uh for the environment to protect the environment in other way uh another situation would be like


like you know how factories like produce our goods and you know not normally building it like they're already building it, but yes we can still protect the environment after building it because the kind of energy that the the factory puts on like


how do I say like like the kind of like exhaust like from the factories like the the smoke that comes out of your uh that kind of energy that comes out of it like we can reduce that and we can use alternate like uh maybe power saving


powers like you know generators like so it doesn't produce as much and we can still protect the environment but at the same time we can still it can still like give us it can produce goods for us, and that's where I think it can it is possible well cause it is first of all


well, well only god can change the wind direction but like, it doesn't guarantee which side the wind goes to depends on the day they obviously but like they also need to study like example


the factories if they're going to be made if their smoke is gonna, I mean they got to like like the like I know the wind changes direction like almost every day but maybe they have like a study like tree


in the majority way of where the wind blows and I know it's sound dumb but like, maybe that's the way they can also maybe they will rebuild it there then it's expected that the the wind blows the smoke or whatever that comes out of it like that way or that way you know like


when there's I'm sure there's a ways like it's the future


that is true but however are not only like not only is there like air problem there's also water problem like like if there's factories that , they need to have a lot of toxic wastes that they just so they they they dispose it not they didn't dispose it properly they just dispose it it's not


you know it's not the right thing but it is possible to protect it to protect the environment while having that running but, but it's just you have to think out an alternative like you cannot just throw it in the ocean or just any lake or any cause it's all connected like I feel like if there's a lake or this kind of like if there's err what does it called


a sewage like a sewer like you know, that if we just throw there there it that connects to like most of the parts of the waters of the world so that it can spread and you can or you can just


congest there and it just gets worse and if it rains heavily one day it blows like it washes off the toxic and you know the wastes it's just gonna cause more problem to the world and that the recent


like the recent I think it was in australia or something it was at the beach they had to remove toxic waste , and they had to they just have have to remove it and they didn't remove it properly they they did it like


how do I say this they just threw it down literally just in the video it showed they just throwing black, like water down like it's toxic waste to the at literally at the beach so it can like some factories may be do it discreetly that no one knows but this one just plainly just shows everyone that they don't really care but there is a way to protect it like


like we don't necessarily to just dispose waste to like to the nature world like there is a way to dispose it properly


yes


yes I totally agree


so we clap, okay, so you go first, yes


okay so it's my turn okay so I feel like it's not important to save them cause like I think we have other things to be uh more concerned about like what does saving plants and animal species do to our economy


like like right now we are in the middle of a pandemic which is the COVID nineteen (ppc) so like we should be more worried about the economic growth more than the plants and animal species which are


in danger of extinction, so like, what what do they actually do for us that can help the economic growth it's that we are actually, (ppc)


how to say like we are actually if we preserve this kind of animals and plants right we are actually putting in more money and in this middle of a pandemic it's not important now ya


okay so you say like saving plants is important because of the breed breeding the site like you said plant is important because of the scientific briefing type of oxygen carbon dioxide thingy right


okay


okay so like there are many kinds of plants so like let say you got sunflower you got what what whatever plants that you can think of and then like this is plants that are going to extinct so like


why do we put in so much effort in to keeping them preserving them and like we have other things to care about like we can maybe appreciate more or like


like, cause like I said in we are in the middle of pandemic and right now everyone is like going broke and like company are shutting and stuff like, if we care about all these like plants saving them and the animals we are actually putting in more money


and right now I don't think any company is willing to do that (ppc) because their company is shutting down they are making a loss, and even if like let say you put it in the Gardens by the Bay and like there is no tourists going and this kind of attraction are based on tourist right they earn their money based on tourists and


even if locally we go there some people are losing their job they don't have money to go there so like, I feel like if you push all these things to like saving plants to the Gardens by the Bay let's say Gardens by the Bay


I don't think they would want to put in the effort to preserve them because one they have no not much income, two they are spending more money ya this is for the plants side lah so ya


okay so for animal species where I feel like you said singapore got more space right


okay so you said you can uh like Marina Bay Sands is a some sort of a fake land right so they like actually build the land right, you you said marina bay sand is some sort of like a recreational uh land right so okay how long does it take to build those kind of land


okay so I think at this kind of period of time maybe not possible maybe they can propose an , think about it in the future but right now I don't think it's that much of a important because uh even if government wants to fork out might money like help to this kind of recreational land and maybe help to feed this kind of plants or animals


like I don't think they would willing to do it they care about the citizens more than the animals for this kind of period of time, maybe in the future when everything is stabilised the COVID nineteen is no longer here but like in this period of time I don't think the government is willing to fork out this kind of money to actually


okay another part is I feel like aside from the politics side like endangered animal species it's, (hmm) usually they are more like a dangerous species like you said lion or maybe polar bear cause like the


colder side of the earth is the ice is all melting right so like the polar there polar bear are like dying all this kind of stuff so like this kind of animals are danger, so if we actually bring them in what harm could they cause and yes we put them in the in singapore zoo but like they are more they they grew up


cool they grew up there they grew up in the wild and imagine example I put you into a cage you attack the person who's feeding you right ya so ya that's my point


okay so let's just put singapore zoo aside maybe we put other countries like the the the animals can be like they can bring the animals like from north or south pole and they like put it anywhere in the world right, so like what if the people abuse them if we we preserve them we spend so much money to bring them in to the country and then put we put them up to let people see they will be like


the the animals will be like ah scared you know so it's like, it's not really healthy for them lah like their well being and everything we should just let them live in the wild as they they as they are already doing


instead of locking on the cages which will like shorten their life, if you actually realise some animals in the wild they can live longer obviously some cannot but like that's a natural habitat why should we interfere in their in their natural habitat which will cost them to shorten their life


which will make them even more like, ya


ya but like some people actually like you know okay let's say a cow is going to extinct soon and people would be like, oh my god there's no more cows so like there's no more beef we have if the cow dies we got no more beef so we must faster eat to have the last taste of beef that you know there are selfish people


ya you said they can breed but however some are being forced to breed ya so and and then they are being forced then they will being kept in a super small cage


ppo) let's say if there are ten people and only two are passionate for for animals and what are the eight doing they are just like oh it's just like since thus this, raising awareness is one thing but however it's like people come if you realise the generation of people come


debate topic two, okay would you like to go first


okay so I don't think they can coexist okay so like environmental is environmental economy is economy like they're both very different thing economy is like I mean like what can environment do for the economy


okay so like you mentioned about the pollution and stuff right


you you need to agree then I disagree, so we we start


so we stopped or


can I have a bit of time to think first, so we don't pause ah


I think it's just pollution air, like N N C this kind of environmental stuff


okay I I just start first lah then maybe you follow okay so, opposition means I don't agree, means I think they can coexist lah


okay so I think it coexist cause like environmental and economic right it can work together like example


the sea right now the sea is very dirty right so like we can employ cleaners or we can even come up with a company to like, to specifically employ cleaners and clean the sea this is also helping the uh the economy and the society you are creating job for people and like


you actually generate money ya so like people can like do maybe cause when if you create a company for the, for for them to clean the sea maybe they're like specifically cleaning the sea maybe they don't have direct customers or maybe they can like economic right like


other countries people are actually reaching out to companies like this to actually help them clean their sea, so it actually does help generate income for the country and the company and also not only that you actually create jobs for people


(ppc) okay so like environment right we maybe like we have Gardens by the Bay they're actually you know putting plants inside and showing the tourists or maybe our locally right


it's helping to generate income it's one of attractions in singapore and like , you actually attract tourists from other countries coming to singapore that you already generate income second you the company Gardens by the Bay is actually generating income too like the the tourists going into Gardens by the Bay


that's already one so why can't they coexist like, we okay we built the Gardens by the Bay on a land maybe previously it's just a forest like in the end we have uh garden inside the Gardens by the Bay so we are like using the land and then putting plants in the area


so like what's the issue


K so like I feel like you yes you are hurting the exterior of it but if you think of the uh economy right


you are helping yourself you are helping the world, so like sometimes we can make use of economy to uh you can you yup make use of environment to attract the risk to generate income ya so


like it's a win win situation you it takes both hands to clap also, so you have to hurt one, to help another one and, and I think, when and and like now as a human are more like they're more humans right everyday there are babies giving birth ya babies and then


we cannot just like fully focus we have to like think of in the future like how environment environmental can help us, yes


but now that they are coexisting right you said they are like already happening and stuff right, it's like, does it right look like is that any harm to it


I see like Gardens by the Bay Botanic Gardens like those kind of maybe Sentosa, all these are environmental lah plant sea ya they are like actually they're actually like helping to


generate income it'll attract more tourists tourists will come then eventually it'll help singapore what


it's like , maybe during this pandemic it's not so much of a help because even visitors cannot come through singapore what you in can transit for now right


but locally I feel like we're doing whatever we can to help, so like we actually you know how some people they like to have family days, family days or maybe like going out where friends or whatsoever having a picnic actually they are doing it at Sentosa or going for a walk with family having family day adventure


to like Gardens by the Bay, and Botanic Gardens these are the normal corporate family day events they would actually go right, you actually, like help in a way to as they go around Gardens by the Bay Gardens by the Bay they are actually


learning more about the plants eventually ya they are harming the external like you said but you are helping us to know more about plants too, as a person


like you saying you want them to be in a natural habitat to learn from is it, instead of us building things over it, is that what you are saying it's hard to stop cause


cause you know as the world is going they are more looking at economy and they will do anything to make anything coexist because they are helping themselves as a country and also the people around them


so no matter how hard you try to stop it was eventually still coexist


so and I feel like if if we we are back into our old olden days like the nineties nineties the before the twenty thousands actually started right like, imagine you you know how singapore is like before right like just boats sea and like uh trading ya that's what they do what last time so like if we don't have like actual buildings


actual like like you see now the CBD area they don't have imagine don't have buildings they don't have like UOB or OCBC those kind of buildings, where are they going to operate on


so like if you don't okay maybe alternatives you mean the branches all right like, like they don't have a main headquarters, to actually function on so like if let's say we have a branch branch A did you actually you need to hire more people


and that will help like the the that would like, not very be not be very helpful to the company lah like their hiring more people they're that giving out more money in a way yes they are helping with uh employment but like


they are how to say like they are not growing like they're not making more profit if they have one branch, and like one headquarters everything settled


you know like it's basically just like you, you have like example you have five houses each one needs a maid you're actually spending more money right instead of having just one house with one maid you are saving money right


like like my example like you have five thousands and you have five maids you're spending more money right because you are hiring five maids


so like if you have only one house with just one maid you are saving a lot right you're saving like four maids money right ya that's like my example lah, if they don't build the headquarters on a land they will be spending more money


and that would not actually kind of help the economy in a way you know


K so and I also feel like , !huh! how to say like, maybe like you know singapore zoo okay let's just bring in another example singapore zoo and you are bringing in animals


you are helping you are actually helping them to like how to say like, making the animals feel comfort right that is one of the environment what and then you're bringing in in tourists to actually take a look at animal yup


your income comes from this kind of attraction your income comes from the tourists us and like people who comes like you know those, animal lovers ya so like


it's just a way to generate income lor


debate topic three


okay I feel like it's not possible to protect because example we have the air pollution like haze, like we have the indonesia burning the forest right and that we have haze floating around then floating to singapore and malaysia right


okay so, it takes a really long time for them to clear off the haze like we have remember we have like a very serious issue on the haze back in twenty thirteen, or twenty twelve around that period right


that the indonesia and PSI went up to like three four hundred five hundred where where schools have to stop right, ya so like air pollution it takes a lot uh a very long time


to actually clear off I think that time it was it took about one two months, like the whole haze situation took quite a really long time to clear off and, it also requires intense amount of energy to


clear off all the haze while all these energies can be put to somewhere else that is useful to, help out with something else instead of the environment because environment like the haze can naturally just go but it takes time


if we use more energy we are wasting energy where it can put to something else you that is useful, because the haze the it will naturally just naturally just go off so like why do we need to use energy to help it


there is one point that you brought up that is very interesting which is you said like they can actually use like the axe to cut down the trees instead of burning it right away right, like okay , if we use humans to cut the axe you said it it it takes a long time right


like as a human if you take the axe and cut the trees yes it takes a long time and also it requires a lot a lot of energy from the person itself, like maybe by burning it off it takes one two days completely maybe or longer one week


but to cut down one tree imagine is two days to just to cut down one tree there're ten trees how many days do you need to cut it down


but using like let's say you use the power is it the power machine to cut down the trees right


but a big truck or machine you also need


so like just as I said right like it takes avery long time to for just one human to cut down one tree one two days right whereas this kind of humans can be brought to like somewhere else that is useful maybe like


, construction there is now there's no technology that can like immediately how you build up a what this kind of manpower can actually put in construction industry to help to faster help the


like to build the buildings and all you know like this all these burning down of trees requires severe manpower, why make use of the manpower energy to put in somewhere useful like building buildings


but like you said factories that air thing right that the air thing coming out from factories right, it's just is technically just the wind that is blowing it away this I don't think there's any technology now that we can actually help to


make sure where the wind blows the


so maybe we can put that right but however if we were to do that to make the filtered air thingy to maybe like the toxic air to


you know filtered itself and make itself clean it will also require energy to of course I'm sure this kind of like it's more technique technological stuff right, so technological stuff requires uh those kind ofelectrical energy right more scientific electrical energy right so like


we can put electrical energy to somewhere else that is useful like households or like other countries like you know some other countries that don't even have proper electricity you know those kind of stuff they can actually


give them the electricity to those country that are in need instead of doing all these kind of things, that people already know it's harmful to the environment yet they're still doing it so like nobody really cares why should we we should care about something


uh other country kids do not have light like like us to actually study properly, ya that's what I feel lah like we don't have to put in too much effort like people already know that the issue but yet they still do nothing about it they still


produce toxic air to the environment why should we clear up their mess when they are not even clearing up their own mess


putting out the waste toxic right


okay I believe your ways to raise awareness and having campaigns right, like telling the people about it right having talks something like this I believe this is your way to help in a way right, okay so like if we have this kind of uh raising awareness and campaigns and stuff like you said people are


still doing it there are like there are like you do you remember years ago I I rarely see it now on T V like last time there is like this save my world thingy you know the, commercial break they always have save my world the song


ya like people know, this is an issue people know we have to save the world but that are yet they're still doing it they are still like you said they're still pouring black water into the ocean


and polluting it like okay example we have india which they have a seriously the worse water issues right but they just shower in it they just drink the water then they just wash the food with water then they washed out whatever clothes there


so you can imagine how contaminated the water is right, can you imagine the amount of manpower we need and their their energy, to help use the the normally they use the like you know very big scoop scooping thing they have to like scoop it so heavily


and yet people are still doing it so it's basically like I'm throwing it and the people next to me are picking it up, ya it it it's something like that lah some like I feel like raising awareness is not really helping as well and in fact it requires more energy


like I think we should just


okay schools should consider subjective and non academic factors for admissions then debate part one debate topic one, okay so the the international education system is merit based


so what we see is that students need to achieve stellar marks to progress into prestigious university or competitive course we see that the proliferation of education or tuition businesses is blooming into a one billion dollar industry in singapore because of this pressure cooker system education system


and it's a overly competitive rat race to achieve top marks in order to enter these courses, so we see this systemic issue in the status quo whereby this education system has a major focus on the monetisation and regurgitation process


and this results in a floor as prospective students are now selected based on how well they memorise their work and not their passion and these on the basil level world deny the very idea and reason of learning which denies the joy of of a lifelong learning but becomes a sluggish race to memorise and grab information


so what we see is that courses such as medicine and dentistry demand straight A's to simply become considered further preliminary interview and is the standard practice across most international universities be it or and US, nothing we see on uh nothing on uh such proposition is we uh is usually the subject people take to enter university has little to no relevance on the course in university so let's draw a parallel to the A level system


arts students who are studying literature geography history are actually going into courses such as business, okay so now let's look at some definitions for the house first of all we define school as any formal or informal education institution, uh which is secondary school and above and the rational is because it is merit based for entry


now the next definition we have is subjective and non academic so is based on or influenced by feelings or opinions which are need to be beneficial to society meaning that we look beyond grades but look at student potential and experience in a field of work


so now into the policy , so first of all our first clause would be that we won't have any ratio cap, second clause will be that we will continue to have nationality cap in order to protect students of that country , third clause is we'll not uh we will not look at the student's ability to pay off uh or any financial situation


university or government will provide bursaries if necessary next clause will be that we will still have a slight focus on academic criteria but still be a small portion of the eventual selection criteria and doing stellar in academics uh in the academic side will not be sufficient for a student to enter


based on academic qualifications alone next clause schools will set a standard grade that all students must qualify to uh qualify for to pass the initial phase of selection , subsequently other things such as personal statement community work or work experience to be used to judge which is anything in the portfolio and criteria will be uh reassess at every stage to ensure maximum equality so what uh what we actually want to see is so for example primary schools so actually uh primary school to secondary schools


uh so in order to uh in order to qualify for a school we have to see uh first of all qualify for express which is two hundred points, after that you'll see that if a student does a lot of community work has maybe a a good personal statement and then uh


overall we see that these students actually does really well in this form of uh assessment and actually can get into a good secondary school so overall we actually want to look for onsite proposition is looking at two things which is passion and experience, so the last clause would be that this is subjective and in order to decrease corruption or favouritism there'll be multiple checks and reviews by each school whereby each department will take turns to review potential applicants


and because there are so many layers of checks and balances they actually decreases the chance of bias or corruption okay so here the yardstick for today's debate uh three yardsticks today the first one will be which site which site better, upholds the prestige of schools and courses second one is which one improve the quality of the workforce and a third one is has the biggest positive impact towards society as a whole


so now's the agenda for today so my uh my first speech will comprise of one substantive, which is non academic factors which are more accurate, which are more accurate way for judging students for admission , and in my second speech I also have one substantive which is uh changes societal stigma for education moving on to my substantive


so I'll be moving on to my one substantive which is non academic factors are a more accurate way of judging students for admission so we see in the status quo that students are being compared on subjects, uh that they have very little uh relation to what they'll eventually be studying as I said before uh art students in uh in JC are actually going into subject such as business and also their judged upon pure paper qualifications which is exams only


and what this does is that it does not fully represent them accurately so this creates an inaccurate representation of students and undermines their fullest potential this is further exacerbated when a student is really good at something practical but just not good at, theory or memorisation so what we see is that students like these have the potential to actually succeed in the workforce but are simply undermined due to uh


uh institutional and structural suppression and lack of representation of this full potential so, what we see is that in this status quo we actually see that students graded solely on academic factors and only those students who can actually memorise work well can actually do well whilst technical students really suffer


and with this uh , and with this we see a more balanced to uh eh and what we see on such proposition or what such proposition is really offering is for a form of improved representation institutionally whereby a students are actually uh are


uh we will have a more balanced student student population uh who will have work experience technical skills paper and paper knowledge and this actually improves the pool of students in schools which will eventually lead to a better pool of people in the workforce so now I open myself to any and all POI's


okay so I'll break your question into two parts the first one will be about the proper representation of how students are actually entering schools and the second part will be about how you claim that whatever students learn in their JCs or in previous education or forms of uh


like education actually do impact their eventual end point okay so for the first part on the educational part and then how they're being graded correct what we see is that the first level of checks, is purely educational so let's say from primary school to secondary school uh of course they look purely based on PSLE results secondary school to JC we also see purely O level results


and then from JC to university we also see the first tier will be uh educational results then if you want to further uh, uh appeal then what we see is that we see uh things such as uh appealing true like let's say TSN whatever so of course yes your point is valid however it is not entirely true because of the fact that the first level and the first tier should be uh educational or whatever schools look at is purely on uh


uh grades okay so your point is invalid the next point that we'll be looking at uh which you actually did raise up was how uh for example uh people uh like let's say in JC you study biology then you become a doctor yes that is that will only be true if it's in


the uh JC to, JC to university standpoint however what you're really lacking and of course what I, did say previously in my definition is we're looking from uh secondary school onwards which means from secondary school to JC from JC to university and onwards so you did only uh what you said is only uh comprises of a small point


compared to the entire educational system anyway so yes what I said is side for the sight that eradicated, elitism in education side for the side that improves the quality of the workforce and side for the side which upholds the prestige of the education system side for side proposition thank you very much your turn


so are you saying that some schools are better than other schools


okay so, okay first of all into uh uh , okay first of all side uh side opposition did not even touch or rebut on my point about non academic factors are more accurate of judging students of admission so I assume that he is accepting my point and my point stands


now moving on to rebutting of his points so first of all he talked about the burden on education system and how the education systems are building up for education of subjects we say yes, it is about the building up and I totally agree with you however your entire point about that is not even uh considering or talking about the point about academic factors for admission yes you are talking about building up for education and all that yes I'm I may take bio in secondary school I can also take bio in JC but


evidently you what what side opposition has said did not even qualify or talk about the main point about admission however does his point also does qualify in side proposition side whereby if I take, uh if I take biology in secondary school with this uh uh policy in side proposition I can continue take biology in sec uh JC and university so his entire point is invalid okay now


uh now moving on to the second point about the stigmatisation and uh sorry about how some schools actually have heavier workload and some have actually lower workload, so first of all I'm going to point out a contradiction which side uh opposition had so first of all he did talk about the capability of students okay and then he further talked about how some students cannot handle workflow and how some


uh some students cannot and then he said that, uh some students are lower inclined for something like that then after that I asked him a POI about something about, are some schools better than other schools and he said no so we can we can see a contradiction, which side opposition has over here whereby he contradicted himself by talking about the capability of students and then after he did talk about the idea whereby some schools are not better than other schools so it's a contradiction on side opposition so we ask side opposition


to rectify their part later of course so another thing which I have to point out about side opposition is that they actually do have a stigmatisation upon these students, whereby he did say that because you go to a school such as RI or whatever it means that you have a better uh opportunity to actually do better in life or uh succeed and potential and all that


and that is the kind of uh mindset we have in side opposition which is why in side proposition all we are trying to do is to reduce academic biasness and stigmatism in society and with that I'll move on to my substantive and to my substantive I say that so uh


so in the changes changes in uh of societal stigmatism of education so what we see now more than ever is startles favouritism towards people with good grades and we see good examples of NUS recent cases of videotaping a girl in the toilet


another one uh strangling his ex and trespassing into a room and hurting her eye in these cases where actually deemed okay for them to actually uh be let off with minimal punishment due to their good grades and potential to excel in life something which side opposition has been saying the entire time, so this is actually what's happening with the status quo and of course with this at uh with education being deemed as so important and this is due to the institutional impetus of


uh favouritism in education and uh grades above everything else and these mindsets actually been ingrained into society from a young age then uh and better, uh so uh better students with better grades actually do better in everything else and can succeed and better benefits society more than uh students who do poorly now we say that


side opposition in the best case scenario actually just reduces stigmatism, of uh educational grades by a bit, however this stigmatism still remains what side proposition actually aims to do is to eradicate societal stigmatism by changing people's mindset


towards a significant grades and look beyond grades and morals and potential so at our worst case scenario the least we do is we at least form discourse and stigmatism is actually uh decreased so uh side for side opposition proposition thank you


okay so chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language part two debate topic two okay so every two weeks a language dies it's expected that fifty to ninety percent of languages will die by the next century


in recent years there are more dialects that are dying out, other than hokkien teochew and cantonese commonly spoken by Merdeka generation a lot of the other dialects have become extinct in singapore this is exacerbated by the aging population which means that the language dies out as the number of indigenous speakers dwindle in the early nineteen seventies fifty percent of this population could speak dialect


this changed when schools uh were actually bent to teach uh were were could only teach chinese as a mother tongue teaching dialects were against the law and within fifty years only twelve percent of the local population can speak dialects with a large majority being the Merdeka Merdeka generation


so we on side proposition see this dwindling numbers extremely alarming and we believe that if we do not act now we will, uh the only, these uh it'll uh only will the language of dialect be lost, but the culture heritage and ideas from the dialect will be lost forever so now let's move into a bit of characterisation so we'll characterise educational system first of all so we looked at the education system at the impact of the education system in singapore


so we have a pressure pressure cooker education system exacerbated by stringent admission criteria solely on grades, and we see students many a lot of time uh attain academic excellence with uh, and will only study or internalise anything which has potential to allow them uh to have a step over their students and anything that does not benefit them in the pursuit of academic excellence will be (ugh) will be deemed less and or not important hence and will not put any time or effort to learning it


so now we characterise the younger generation versus the older generation so the older generation actually has a greater desire to learn dialects first of all because previously they're able to communicate with friends and family and of course they wanted to learn about heritage and culture because they did not attend or they of course attended minimal formal education and are homeschooled


as compared to now we look at the younger generation whereby due to the prevalence of western imperialism english is used and they do not see the need to actually learn this additional language to communicate, uh as compared to the older generation and of course we see that most of the older generation has already learned english so they do not need


to learn another language to bridge this language gap and of course they are not homeschooled, so now let's move in to the policy so first of all the first clause will be that we'll allow native chinese dialects to be taken as a mother tongue language, from primary school onwards which is primary three and they can of course continue to learn chinese if they want so for the first two years in primary one and two is compulsory to learn chinese and they'll just have to pass a simple criteria of


conversational chinese and of course, will reverse the potential effect of formation of ethnic on claves so uh, a department will be established in MOE to come up with a syllabus uh sorry that's the next clause a uh and then uh it'll start to with a larger denomination group first cantonese hokkien and teochew and eventually bunch up into small denomination group so the same standard of formal education and examination and matrix will be used to judge students' standards


and will contain, content about dialect history culture and arts inside the syllabus so volunteers will be recruited from Merdeka generation and will be paid if they need to and, all students will go through formal uh all teachers will go through formal training about the syllabus before they teach and of course textbooks and educational material will be created so now into the yardsticks of today's debate we have two yardsticks today


the first one will be uh which side a better preserves culture and their uh the next yardstick will be which, side better improves the education system and promotes the joy of learning so here's the agenda for today the agenda will be for my first speech it will be provides cultural diversity and historical acts


expression and the second speech will be uh about the issue of western imperialism, imperialism so now into my first substantive for today will be, uh provides cultural diversity and historical expression so by having only chinese as the sole mother tongue it provides constitutional impetus to disrupt and suppress linguistic and suppression by systematically limiting indigenous speakers with and people with knowledge on chinese dialects


by doing so this restricts the number of people who can actually understand the language and culture making it very hard to allow the language or culture or history to be appreciated this makes the dialect to become unknown and irrelevant to our country uh, constantly changing society eventually becoming forgotten and then extinct but having chinese dialect group it means uh sorry dialect classes it means increasing the relevancy of the language and by increasing the number of speakers or people who know the language or culture or history and we'll actually have a mother tongue appreciation


and in within schools for further active outreach and publicity of the language and even if it does not become more relevant in our worst case scenario we still attain improved publicity of the dialect and at our worst case scenario people who's uh, were just still study the language which they'll ultimately have to learn the history and culture of the dialect furthermore at the end of the day we will have attained formal documentation of the dialect so if


in the worst case scenario no one wants to learn this language and culture and art uh is, uh it won't be entirely eradicated from history so we on side proposition believe that this is better than the status quo of side opposition because in outside of the house there's progression and steps are taken for the preservation to occur unlike side opposition so we can see examples in singapore in the late nineteen seventies during the SG ban of dialects and the mother tongue


of uh and the mother tongue of three quarters of the citizens so, this resulted in cultural homogeneity and of dialects making them irrelevant so what we're doing is the opposite of this effect we see that other uh uh effects of scottish dialects actually being professionally documented in order


in order to prevent the extinction of the entire language so what we want to stress upon is when humanity loses a language we lose potential for greater diversity in art music literature and oral traditions so, side for the side which allows proliferation of linguistic in expression side for the side which empowers people to better understand their culture and last of all side for the side that protects our ideals and values side for the side proposition thank you


oh okay so okay the first of all you asked about the p three part, so yes I when when I raise the the policy about P three is because in the first two years I actually want to uh what we actually want to do is to actually allow all students actually learn conversational chinese why is entirely because you want everyone to have the basic knowledge on chinese and


basic communication can occur so next of all you talked about the uh so that point is done already then we move on to the next point about the preservation of culture and how you say , uh we uh learning a language to learn the culture we say that, is that of course does not have to be the case but of course when you learn the language you inadvertently will learn about the culture when you look at your all your chinese textbook you'll definitely see something about chinese culture inside


your textbooks so we're saying is that actually is one bird that uh one stone that kills two birds where you learn about the language you definitely learn about the culture we're we're not trying to, do additional work or whatever we're just, saying that in the process you'll definitely uh try to uh your you will definitely have some form of better appreciation for this entire culture


okay then the next of all you talked about the logistical issues about how uh, how schools and speakers and all that so we say yes definitely would that would probably definitely will have a, logical logistical issues but we say that yes uh we first of all we can train more uh more speakers and teachers so uh within the uh within the policy we already did say that we will we will uh of course we'll get volunteers first of all or they can get paid if they want and next of all teachers will go through formal training which allows syllabus before they teach


so what does this mean is that we will definitely get teachers and all that's uh it's basically just setting up a new uh new syllabus that's all so it's all the all the same all the standard uh, uh matrix and whatever to judge students and for teachers all that will be the same


uh and, okay then the next part you talked about how you uh, oh yes and uh sorry uh just to add on right, yes there will be a lot of logistical issues but that is something we do not mind taking on as long as you are able to uh impart


some better and positive change into the educational system so that is what we on side proposition are actually fighting for and uh okay then the last part you did talk about the the which dialect is more important all that so previously in my in my policy I already did say that we'll introduce


three of the larger denomination group such as cantonese hokkien and teochew yes I do understand your point about how people will say that yes one dialect is more important than the other dialect that might happen that might not happen we do not know however what we'll uh, what we'll say is that uh at the end of the day what side proposition will achieve is better representation of these languages if we do not if we remain in the status quo like side opposition


what happens is nothing occurs we will not have better representation and better understanding of these uh, languages and of these dialects however in side proposition basal level is at least these languages are first of all documented second of all they gain more publicity and because of that uh


uh these languages will definitely not die out so on side proposition what we say is at least we prevent the extinction of these languages as compared to side opposition thank you


okay on your point about the standard okay the first of all okay there're there're few points that are a total of four points the first about documentation and about how their uh these uh languages have actually large variance and


we need to have standardisation yes of course and which is why previously my policy I did of course state that uh, the it will go through the same standard of formal education and examination and of course there will be a matrix to judge students so the very fact that we've already implemented a matrix of course that already uh


it uh and ex some form of standardisation so your point about uh how their large variants and how like some people will speak different forms of variants all that it's invalid because we've already standardised it throughout the entire board, okay then the next point about how you talk about the older uh older generation and how they need to act as


uh uh like why we are asking the older generation to do so instead of, like teaching younger teachers of course we say yes there will be new teachers will come on board to actually learn this language and this dialects however we also need this older generation because they act as mentors and they act as a form of roots and foundation in order for this language to re-flourish again we cannot just uh get the new solely new generation


into uh teach a language which they themselves are not familiar with we need the support of the older generation in order for us to do this, and finally uh yes we say overall what uh our policy in side proposition we already have already uh forms of structure and forms of uh


matrices and all that and of course we will go through of course everything which I previously said establishing MOE to come up with a syllabus so everything has already been pre documented and all that within the singapore educational system and everything once again I will reiterate of course we'll go through the same standard to pass through as a new subject


so your point about uh, it's it's not being standardised or whatever is invalid thank you


okay so uh got three rebuttals for your three points the first one is about which uh dialect is more accurate okay so we say that of course there is no form of which dialect is more accurate or whatever


similarly when we take chinese of course there's a singaporean variant of chinese there's a chinese china variant of chinese and there's a malaysian variant of chinese you can never say that oh my chinese is the most accurate or whatever of course as long as ultimately the the aim of a language is so that people can communicate


so as long as you are able to use the dialect to communicate with other people, that really achieves its main goal, and the next thing we have to bring up is the small differences between, the variants so each variant does have minute to differences even between teochew and hokkien you can almost


like a teochew speaker can almost understand a hokkien speaker because both variant are actually rather similar and, of course the last point you talked about is how, uh people learn because of this homely vibes and about how if in my in side proposition's case we will of course need to do like formal examination all that we say yes they'll definitely need to go through formal examinations and of course what we say that is in


uh in your paradigm which is opposition's paradigm which is house uh people learn through homely vibes and all that we say yes but isn't that what's happening in status quo and within status quo this has resulted in a drop of from fifty percent of uh learning this language through now, twelve percent so currently and evidently you can see that status quo is not working so that's why inside of uh proposition's paradigm we see that this results in proper representation and publicity of the language and because of that we actually see that by actually


uh implementing this language into the education system at least it gets learned, and of course people get to speak it and of course this will result in more speakers in this language so ultimately end of the day what side proposition will actually achieve is better publicity and of course people will more people and more indigenous speakers of this language thank you


okay so learning is best outside the classroom debate topic three, so we live in the twenty first century and we have done a lot of research into the topics of types of learning and the kinds of behaviours in classrooms so we see a lot more diversity in terms of education


and types of lessons so we also see different schools being set up to cater for different people we uh we see schools such as SOTA which is school of the arts la salle being created for people with artistic flair, and we see a school such as school of uh school of sports for sports and budding sports players and of course NUS and SST for specialisations in the sciences


so we see a change in the entire educational landscape we also see things such as CIPs, overseas trips learning journeys be implemented into the syllabus and we also see classes take place on the internet so now we move into definitions so for definitions we say uh we'll uh we'll define outside the classroom


so we define outside the classroom as any location that is outside of the physical brick and mortar classroom, so now for the yardstick of today so we have to yardsticks for the house the first yardstick is which side better helps different learning styles and the second yardstick is which side best improves the educational system


so here's the agenda for today so my first speech will cover two points which the first point will be uh, learning outside the classroom teachers thinks that can't be taught outside the classroom and the second point is the internet of things has more information than any textbook which is available inside the classroom and my next speech which will be promotes discovery


so now into my substantive for today so my first substantive is learning outside the classroom teaches things which can't be taught out inside the classroom so we see that when students are uh outside the classroom they actually, uh learn so many more different things and they can learn uh uh other diversity of things


so what we can see is that students actually have a better acceptance rate outside the classroom whereby they are able to see touch and feel different things and we see things such as kinesthetic learners who are able to actually learn all these different things outside the classroom they can uh for example within primary school they can hear how different sound sound like


they can touch and feel how let's say the spores of the plants feel like and all that this in comparison cannot be done inside the classroom when all they're doing is just looking at textbooks or looking at the whiteboard, so uh okay now moving on to my next point about the internet of things has more information than any other textbook so we see that the uh internet of things has a vast


sea of knowledge and what we see by from this is that uh from the internet of things you are actually able to google or search for anything which you are curious about so this internet of things actually has the most updated uh knowledge whereby people actually do upload things such as


uh university uh scholarly journals and all that stuff so the the knowledge on and available on the internet of knowledge is far more accurate compared to whatever textbook we can see within the classroom so side for side proposition thank you


uh okay so your entire point was just basically trying to refute the idea of experiential learning but of course what I want to say is of course, within the class uh yes you can learn everything within the classroom but the idea of experiential learning is was teachers to bring students out for example to the museum


and then the the teachers will actually show the students for example point to like an elephant and say this is an elephant this is a mammal so what can we see from a mammal it reacts to changes it the, like needs to breathe it needs to eat and all that stuff so of course we can learn things in uh outside uh outside of the classroom basically it's just a guided tour and whereby students will actually learn through this guided tour so in your case what you're actually assuming is that


uh students do not have a teacher then of course yes without a teacher then, students will definitely look at a rose and smell and say oh ya this is the rose smell so this is a rose or whatever it is but no, we say that it's the very idea experiential learning means that there's a teacher there and because there's a teacher there the students the teacher actually explain to the


students like for example this is a this is a rose and with this rose you can smell the rose and it has this kind of smell this is a the uh then she will show lah the the students like uh maybe a a white colour rose and will say oh this is a variant of a rose uh this is occurs through like selective selective evolution whatever it is so


your your point about, uh students your your your view of, experiential learning is actually flawed because of the idea that you did not include the factor of the teacher and the importance of the teacher anyhow I'll move on to my point about promoting discovery so the very uh whenever we bring students out of their classrooms of course they'll be naturally curious


and when students are curious , they'll definitely try to look and discover different things and because we're outside the classroom there're so many more things compared to inside the classroom which is dull and monotonous once again I'll stress on the idea that is brick and mortar, so outside of the classroom uh be it in the field or on the internet you'll see so many more things which you can actually learn and discover


and in in this uh, in the process they'll actually spark curiousity in the minds which actually further promotes the joy of learning so why do we say that is or why is this so important, the very idea of , learning is to be a lifelong learner so we say that instead of having to uh


force cram all the uh all the content that information into your head we say that because these students actually have the opportunity to go out to learn different things or to search the internet and to discover things by themselves they actually uh makes them naturally more curious and through this curiosity they will actually want to