their lives may have been affected and this so educated people, uh they should not be the only ones that have the right to vote


I guess


well, uneducated people may have not chosen to be uneducated well the access to education in some countries may not be possible which is not the case in singapore


due to the compulsory six years of primary education but in other countries, access to education is limited and but that does not mean that they should be penalised for on behalf of the country which has failed to provide an adequate education for its citizens by taking away their right to decide who should represent them


, I feel that they the countries should work on, providing the education to these uneducated people so that they can learn to be


learn to vote with all the information that they have, but they should not be penalised they should not have their voting rights taken away from them before they get educated


yes uh Sadaj that was actually very good very good point especially with what you said about the COVID nineteen pandemic I would say that having it at err in the current day and age


where because of technology our life is you know uh if it's we're living in a very globalised world so that is a interesting point that you brought up because if this, err same thing were to happen like I would say many years back I would say that, working being able to remotely work from home and stuff like that


it's definitely impossible because of the current because last time like this uh I think if we talk about working from home people will be like like you know will like wait what are you what are you on about like it doesn't make any sense but one thing is I would say we need to define, what is fulfilling what is the like you know the true meaning of life like to what extent has technology made our life more fulfilling because what I feel is that


with the rise of with the advent of social media and we're living in like in a interconnected world where you know where fake news and this kind of uh fake news is so easily spread through social media and stuff like that I would , err like to think about you know how uh


the how technology that hasn't actually even made our life more fulfilling because with nowadays like if you go out like you go out in the train or something like that you notice that everyone is glued to their own phones and there's a access of information that like they just


and for a everyone is just taking in content from many different sources like for example like you on Instagram you on Facebook you on Youtube everything is just blowing up it's like an exponential growth of like data there's being transmitted across these places , and with the rise of this comes data security and like our own personal privacy like even uh it it has come to a point where like in certain surveillance states like in certain countries like china where they can use the power of technology


and the government can use it to in a sense spy on the citizens that live there and err you know on the on nearly a everyday places and people can track with facial recognition uh patterns and, the advent of uh you know face tracking the government can like it's possible for certain governments in certain countries to you know track your everyday whereabouts so definitely I would uh partly agree that


uh you know technology has made our life more fulfilling but however I feel that with there are uh with the rise of uh you know technology it also causes like uh you know there's a lot of dangers to it like data security your own privacy Sadaj what do you think about this


I saw that yeah


(mmhmm), (mmhmm)


yeah yeah yup right, (mmhmm)


right


right that's true


(mmhmm), definitely, right


(mmhmm), (hmm) relationships yeah


right that's actually yeah that's a very good point as a matter of fact like uh getting in touch with your or you know like lost friends, because like you know like especially like am I think back in like primary school like earlier days uh social media wasn't really a thing and like uh I would say one really good thing about


social media that uh I really appreciate the fact that you know you can still uh maintain like you can still maintain like a network or connection with like people that you know but so Sadaj what do you think about like uh the rise of like fake news and stuff like that what's your like opinion on it like how how do you think is the way that you know maybe we can


mitigate, ya you know you know fake news being spread across social media, oh wait ya that actually is a matter of fact that's kind of true right because we are talking about


(mmhmm), right


propagandas kind of stuff right like even back in world war two right right right


yeah, right, it's like uh ah ya ya keep going


ya I would say with uh like regards to what you say yeah propaganda like even like what you said that's hundred percent true like even back in like, uh earlier days in like world war two and stuff like that during the war times like propaganda was even issued out in leaflets like it's like thrown across countries and a lot of people receive it so that in a sense it uh that's a very good point that you brought up so even err


there are even back in the day there's still used to be you know fake news being spread around so that's a very good point that you say doesn't so technology doesn't necessarily have a direct impact on it but like what you said like mitigating it I I mean nowadays it's a lot more rampant is like a lot more easily


spread right yup just a very good point, interesting, yes, (mmhmm)


yeah grab food yes, uh no way like what you said I had this one friend what he did was he bought uh cupcakes uh like for one of our one one of his friend uh


friends lah so but the thing is again like what I said with techno uh uh with technology there's always fail so instead of uh there was a problem with the address and stuff like that and that turns out the food got delivered to like someone else by accident you know so that is that is one thing that you know happens with regards to


right yeah, like, right exactly


it being right, right


make it ya a lot better right make sense it's like the whole idea is like about the cupcakes right it's like you got the the whole thought of it is you know to be fulfilling you know what I'm saying, ya so that's a good point that's I agree I agree with that


right, right right exactly


exactly that right make sense ya, right


(mmhmm)


like err I'll be exactly yeah that's uh one thing cause we are overloaded with like all this uh, content that we can learn every anything you want at the top of your fingertips that's what that's what you trying to say right, right so how does the guitar thing coming along


it's good right not bad so uh yeah, that's I mean that is I can never disagree with that like literally anything that you want to do it you can do it overnight like you want to be an expert in a certain topic with technology you can just access the uh like a global database of information but the thing that I feel is the the big issue about this is that the validity of


certain information like it's it's all it all is just brings me back to like the main point you know like certain sites like uh let's let's say for example wikipedia I remember uh uh the last time I checked I know you like you can still edit like you know uh certain wikipedia pages, to fulfill information is like the way that you wanted you know what I'm trying to say


yeah, to like fix that as well right ya, ya so it's just that, like it this this uh depends on like you know the true meaning like what's the what's the true meaning of life you know like what's what does it mean to have a fulfilling life because different people have different you know ideas of a fulfilling life


like like having a fulfilling life I would say I would I would say is really to uh have fun to do what you like to do you know to have a, uh in my I mean for my free time I uh like I said I really like a gardening and stuff so for me like uh during the pandemic uh I was I was kind of sad because I couldn't really focus on uh getting my all my shipments cause I get my plants from overseas so it was very hard time


that yeah exactly yeah that's a very good point like the the, right, is exactly that's a very that that's a very interesting point like the whole gardening thing was uh kind of messed up during the co COVID time you know so it was kind of it was kind of sad ya


like a simple thing right ya like might like even a simple hobby as myself , ya so there was ya you know that that was one


thing I would say yeah I would agree with you on that you know, like without uh technology uh you know it will have there was no way that I mean I didn't even get it but, without even technology being exist I won't even have the had the option to you know get like certain fertiliser you know certain crops from like different because usually I am err usually import mine from vietnam so it was like even during the pandemic itself they were they won't even like sending it out you know so like ya it was err quite a tough time for me


during the pandemic yeah, alright


(mmhmm) (mmhmm), ya exactly apps like, premier pro and stuff like that right, and uh as a matter of fact if I'm not wrong you picked it up purely from everything that you picked up from scratch right from online


all from youtube all from youtube just spending


it's a lot more ya ya I get what you're saying yeah like for example even like with the whole gardening thing itself it was something I picked up back in india so when I went there, I learnt I I saw the art of it and I really fell in love with it so that's when you know it spurred me to do it there was like a internal drive in me to you know focus on the whole gardening thing but since time is running up uh let's summarise this like I think we can all both agree that


technology definitely it has made our life more fulfilling but it's just that sometimes we have to see it like you know like, how good is a certain thing you know cause you know everything has like a bad in it you know do you get what I'm trying to say, yeah


so personally I have read a bit about uh artificial intelligence before and in fact err in my, I've been working on some projects that uh with, artificial intelligence so my idea of uh artificial intelligence I would say is uh kind of it's a it's a very widespread definition like different uh in different fields there's so many different ways


where artificial intelligence can be used but the area that I uh kind of uh have a bit of knowledge on is like for example in defense in defense uh in the defense area so, I understand that uh recently about a couple of months ago the australian air force actually acquired a certain kind of combat drones that are


fully uh they are not operated by any man human at all these things are literally let out into the sky and they will fly alongside combat aircrafts it's called uh the loyal wing man program so how these things work is they fly alongside fighter aircrafts and they


feed it uh feed it data and it allows the a certain wing of flights to perform uh a lot of activities that uh usually will require more people to do, so but but like what you said my other my definition of artificial intelligence will just basically be err a certain kind of uh to simply put it something that can like fully function fully work on its own without any human uh intervention


you get what I'm saying yeah yeah


uh they will fly beside fighter aircrafts and , what uh as of right now it hasn't been uh these uh aircraft they haven't been uh able they are they aren't able to perform any uh firing or any live firing uh of


was like projectiles or anything so right now they currently only focus on like electronic warfare roles so what, this uh uh will all wing man does is that, it will jam other aircrafts in the airspace that means it will jam other uh enemies systems but it as of right now they haven't gotten like the regulatory approval for it to its a possible for it to use firearms and stuff like that and like you know have admiral missiles to take stuff lah


right


(mmhmm) feels yeah yeah, self check out yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I get what you mean yeah


labour for ya, no way


(mmhmm), right


(mmhmm), right right right exactly yeah


its like a yeah yeah its like (mmhmm)


correct like as (ah) as in like you you're trying to say like how fast can a human jump in before the artificial intelligence does too much damage right, right right right right right right


yeah they can they can try it again one more time, so I think the main concern that you have is the fact that these err you know artificial intelligence are just fed with algorithms right


like and then like uh if uh algorithms if like the algorithm fails like the whole process can go down,


right right right exactly well I think this is a very like debatable topic because like for example they depends on certain they I think I would say different industries have different requirements you get what I'm trying to say, so like for example like if I'm talking about if I'm uh once again back to like uh the boeings the loyal wing man program the reason why these drones are there to exist is that


it's in nowadays like the pilot of a aircraft itself he's already fed with a built so much information, like there's only that much a guy uh as a as a human element there's only us up to a certain, err limit that you can process stuff


you get what I'm saying, you know like in the like for example when you are flying in the cockpit itself you have to take care of like a a a wide array of different stuff you have to remember you're flying you have to see where your enemy is where the battlefield so this is like like what I'm saying is like purely based on like the defense like defense per perspective of it


with with these ah ha, alright yeah definitely like uh I would say that uh concerned definitely has to be there, uh we shouldn't let that stop the advancement of artificial intelligence you get what I'm saying because


its err


during err during the process of yeah definitely hundred percent so ah


ya exactly no no no no way, definitely no no no ya


I think ya with uh ya that like especially like in the medical field that is where we have to be like really really really careful because we're dealing with like lifes here you know and like operation where you're doing like a certain operation or something so I feel that what I feel is that


we don't really need to like like I said like worry about the advancement of uh like which we should there I don't think there should ever be a situation, where like what you said like a case where like a robot is hundred percent fully working on like a certain patient or like this kind of bionic arms bionic legs it shouldn't definitely it definitely should never be like that but


what I feel is like or or what I would think is the ideal, uh you know what a a situation that you can get is a kind of uh work environment where you can seamlessly integrate err this artificial intelligence knowledge, together with how like certain doctors work but like again like what you said just now you were talking about how much uh how if what if a artificial intelligence system kind of screws up and a human must jump in what if its too late and that kind of thing right


so ya that is where there's a it's like a very grey area cause I myself unsure like like how exactly it works like you know operating theatre or like something like that you get what I'm saying


yeah


oh right right right right right, exactly that's a that's a very good point this actually what the the point that you brought up also err reminds me of something very similar to do you know uh the tesla's dilemma the self driving car, ya do you know the one that where they talk about instead of would it would it either


crash to hit another person or you know or like move away to avoid the other car so that's uh yeah that's a very like uh that's very like important area of AI where it's like we are not ready for it yet you know it's like it's still


like without changing like oh right right right right right I understand I understand


alright yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so, what's being told right ya, ya so like that is actually very interesting so you were saying that it so the it's a firefighter that is being replaced by a robot


that is crazy so it will just go in and could complete whatever task that a human was supposed to do, right that is insane I've I mean I've never heard of it that's a very good I feel that that's a very interesting concept but ya like what you said again then is uh then it becomes like an ethical dilemma because the thing about these uh algorithms is that they don't have


emotion you know, its and recently, yeah right and another thing I I notice is there are a lots of especially like in japan have you seen how are people they have uh they started like I saw a guy there got actually married to an AI AI robot


did you see that yeah so that's so that's, yeah its, that's a some strange uh you know it's a very it's a very uh interesting thing lah is all just thought of you know share with you bring it up you know


, well if you talk about like if you've just purely like if you are talking about like from a scientific point of view I would say that like, and we really shouldn't


I I I feel that we shouldn't be worry about the advancement of artificial intelligence itself, but we should be concerned about how it's being integrated into our society, you get what I'm saying so like like, I feel that artificial intelligence there is a lot of potential in that I feel that if we tap in to like artificial intelligence you can you can


do lots of great things with it but the area of concern that we should have should really be focused on how it's being integrated into society like certain robots like what you said, maybe having like a certain kill switch that overrides the whole algorithm if something is going wrong or you know like how its integrated into suicide having fail safes but with artificial intelligence itself like I said I feel that there's a big potential in it


like we should not just like yeah we should not just stop the rise of artificial intelligence uh purely uh because, like from a scientifics point of view like I said, we should just let it be you know you you get what I'm trying to say, yeah


(hmm) exactly, yeah exact like like like what is like earlier like what we mentioned like these are little algorithms are really running our lives you know


right right exactly, that is that is really, uh shocking (la) I guess its uh it something that I don't even want to think about you know it's crazy so like that's where like the whole idea of uh having ah like having it in having having it being integrated into our society comes in I feel that that people should be you know taking more active steps in uh regulation


of a certain like you know like different industries how should it be brought about and I feel that as will be something that works alongside with us, rather than something that it like, like ya completely and that is where like is the whole you know at comes with regulation it comes with a lot of people so I feel that it's a something that a lot of people are like trying to avoid like like they are trying to you know I feel that there should be more action taken against that what do you think


exactly yeah there's a lot of potential in it, that is hundred percent nicely said mister sadesh


ya I get what you saying yeah


, !wah! this is a bit of a tricky question for me because , I would say we, like different people right have different definitions of like certain wants and needs right


you get I'm saying so like I would say like for example let's say if I'm a country, right, so it like let's say if I'm a if I'm a country right so I, would want, better transportation


I evident my country itself you know I would want a you know a more globally connected like I would want myself to be more globally connected with a lot of other countries, but I need, food you know I need like to manufacture I need to manufacture my own food


I need to you know take care of my people as well so like all these are you know, with the help of technology, do you get what I'm saying, ya so that is like is like looking at it like at the bigger perspective like let's say from a country but like I said looking at like your own perspective like as an individual like you know when you brought about online shopping I really resonate with that a lot


you know like buying something of a Zalora or like uh you know, , a source and like having it delivered to you the next day ya ya so that one is uh ya that's like, a major issue that I would say a lot of people are also facing as well


because uh you know like they just uh it's like nowadays like, a lot of people like you know shop, from the comfort of their own homes, you know they do they they don't go to the store anymore like they they want , and with this like like what you said the same issue comes right where you like certain uh like it since everything is available to you you just kind of like buy all everything on the impulse like that's so that's like such a big issue and like


yeah, so you know like that's why it's uh I would say there needs to be like this comes to like you know like personal like control and stuff like you like you know like like like having your own discipline of a financial management and things like that you know


well I would say that it would it really you know technology I would say that will satisfy our needs more than wants, yeah like, like a modern modern technology


you know, ya so like it really like satisfies our needs more than wants cause like, like a, like a example like for example I would say that like for example for me , uh I need like for example like I it's like I had brought up right like a as a country itself like if I want like I need food survive you know I need to have better housing better healthcare system


or like let's say as a person myself yeah (ah) well as I say uh I would say for me I would say I need to you know have a have a you know like the the simple things in life you need to have a shelter you know you need to have food you need to have water see all these are readily accessible with


a as in you can still get like a water and stuff like that but like uh it the modern technology like you know makes it it makes it more access like it's makes it more convenient


right, right yeah exactly it's a


right right exactly yeah with, like you know like for example housing like housing it's of you know like with the advent of like


the machines that build our houses and stuff them with more advanced machines you know you can get it built up faster and stuff you get what I'm saying, it's just like more it's uh it's uh like you know it's more accessible it's faster it hurries the whole process you get what I'm saying with like uh like housing in singapore it's itself like you see for example in singapore were relatively I would say technologically modern and advanced society and like we have like a


great housing system you know like everyone's uh you know relatively comfortable, oh ya that's a


it's like yeah yeah exactly


like more than once right that's actually a very good point like if you talk about housing itself because like what you said nowadays like lots of uh people are actually you know, moving towards like uh having more smart homes like you know like uh it's like that's up to a point where like they can control like the you know the whole house within like a phone itself


ya it's doesn't make sense like serves this uh oven that you can watch youtube on it I don't understand what's the purpose yeah, that this yeah that is definitely there is definitely a that's too much you know I feel ya so with this kind of things uh I would say like it's benchmarks you know different people have different err


kind of uh you know, uh standards and stuff like that so for some people I I would say that they would believe that you know having a a uh kind of having a fridge to play music or something like that they to them that might be you know uh something but for


personally like acid for me, ya I would say like yeah like for certain like people like they will think that you know it's something it's a


oh that's a actually a very philosophical question I like that that ah yeah so, yeah, yeah


and like and the back and the primal days you know, yeah yeah yeah yeah


exactly so I would say that this with the advent of modern technology in fact it has made everything so blurry you know like we don't know what is it that we want what is it that we need you know, everything is uh kind of hidden lah so what do you think uh what do you what do you think about you know the rise of technology in general like


what do you think about the you know this whole thing like everyone feeling you know like everyone feels that they need to, be like for example like you said that you are the neighbour has a microwave you ya yeah


well I would say it's like okay for the masses right like like talking about like on a bigger scale like definitely like like modern technology and it would, satisfy our needs you know what I'm saying like I like back to like the whole like housing thing and everything like that if you look at it in the masses like modern technology definitely makes it you know easier


for people to have access to their needs first like as a bit as basic benchmark you get what I'm saying, ya and then from there you can build on, to like you know if you want something else then it's you know it's up to you but what I'm trying to bring across is that modern technology will definitely uh you know let us uh let let let the masses have easy access to their needs


needs yeah, and then for the special individuals who you know once certain like


fancial things it satisfies to their wants but but majority like as a benchmark I would say with the advent of modern technology like it has allowed a masters of a majority of us you have access to your needs you know


or like a higher benchmark right compared to other people ya, right


ya ya ya correct correct, yeah, needs right ya ya I understand I understand I understand


oh that is actually a very very interesting point like you can like for example like you can use like different like cities as a benchmark you know you could say what I'm saying like as a, as like will say all of us are fortunate to be living in a you know first world country with uh you know relatively secure homes and everything like that so like for us and like someone else that's uh that that come from


like a person that like maybe like let's say like a third world country or something that, our wants and needs would be very different, you get what I'm saying so like, for us something that like you know our it it's like it's literally looking at like two different worlds like I have been to a community exchange programs where I lived in houses to that didn't even have like a proper roof a proper water system or proper roof


and like this really like shows that like with technology was present there like you know it will be uh easier for them to you know, uh, have a better, yup exactly so it's,


right right right yeah that's a yeah that's a good point like what you said like, modern technology and itself, is, like satisfying like our wants but what I'm trying to say is that more technology is also able to you know satisfy our needs across like for the masses again you know you get what I'm trying to say


ya so ya that's that's that's that so personally about yourself so have you been to like like you know a community exchange programs to other places or anything before


(mmhmm)


right, right so it's like you are trying to say that it's like we can't really like uh put it on the same pedestal is that


right yup, our a modern technology item that I can think of


like I would say definitely like our smartphone will be one right like instead of like tech


right right right right


like a smart a smartphone right


right right right whereas this wouldn't be the case like you know like in a different like a suicide, right, right right right exactly that's actually a interesting, well the thing is the okay the thing is the rise and like uh of course like our hundred percent agree you know like the rise in uh modern technology like science and technology it definitely has made like


you know our lives easier like this it's by exponential like compared to like decades ago right in fact I would say that it has like a aspect on like a such a great area of our life like you know like I said accommodation like you mentioned like interconnectivity smartphones transport and stuff like that


you know it's it's just crazy how like like what you said right imagine that , uh if your phone like for example you like you said without a smart phone the older age people they are they unable to you know, access like it's just it just beats me you know so well bring it back like I would say that uh like wrap it up right I would say that what you what you bought off is a very interesting point with the fact that like different people we have like different benchmarks and stuff like that so do you have uh any like closing closing remarks mister sadesh


right


right yeah exactly


exactly yeah


they are wants become like your needs become your wants right, right yeah that's true, ya I would say all and all we had a very interesting uh you know conversation about this and the thing is that, technology does cater to some of our basic needs like for sure like that's for sure but it also caters to our desires so that is where like you know where uh we it's the whole the whole grey thing comes because for sure I agree that you know it caters to our needs but when it a modern technology itself


part one debate topic one, so uh to what extent has technology made our life more fulfilling so I would like to say it's actually uh technology has actually made our life uh very fulfilling because for example now during like


COVID uh for studying and even working people actually using technology to actually , work from home and study from home like for example if let 's say this happened last time when there is no like technology has not been as well developed as now


we will not be able to like do this because uh there's not possible uh platform that you can use like zoom or even err ya zoom webex all these are actually


very important right now due to the current situation other other examples could be like medical so for example, without the medical advancement using technology uh it would not have been a lot of uh pros medical processes wouldn't have been easy to complete


because ya like I said uh you have to have the technology to actually do this type of, for uh operations and even, or like research to learn all the new stuff and one of the like basic examples are smartphones like


being able to use a smartphone for like basically everything uh have all the knowledge is basically in your fingertips so you need to look like you're lost somewhere you can use google maps you need to know like uh, any information about


a certain certain product that you want to get you can just search online all these actually helps make your life more fulfilling because instead of like wasting like precious time we can actually, you know use it on ya using uh precious time like let's say if you want to find out information about something instead of like this thing like you know few hours meeting one book you can just search and see everything in one one site


so ya that's my current proposition for now what do you arjun


I I do understand your point about uh security and the data security and stuff but I don't see how, I don't really see how that really uh affects like your life being fulfilling because, for example like ya a lot of a lot of err sites use uses your info like example like let's say if I'm talking to you about dog dog toys


uh within a few few minutes you can actually see ads on Instagram on, I saw that yeah, for many app actually uh showing you ads about like the product so this actually I feel make some people may not be like uh, pro pro uh ya supporting it


then again if you talking about making your life more fulfilling actually is actually helpful to you in a sense so ya like ya actually what you are thinking about actually whatever you think about it comes you know I mean like it just basically ya it just helps you in in everyday life


everybody is like using their phone or social media and stuff well social media you actually can see a lot of like there's also a lot of fake news but then again you actually can get news, way faster like I can know something about like for example like uh recently I found out about korea typhoon before uh my even my friends in korea knew about it so that's how fast info can actually pass so I feel actually quite quite err quite good ya right and also like you said


everyone is just using their phones in the train and stuff but then again if there's no phones I don't think people will be like talking each other they just be quietly reading books and just waiting for their stop, while during that time they could actually use their phones to you know uh, read books watch movies watch shows watch documentaries and learn more information


right like ya a lot people actually use the like travel time to actually go and uh, read up about stuff or watch stuff and even even if you use social media I don't see uh how it's a really bad because you know you can see what's everyone up to


you can know what your friends are doing your family how's everyone doing you know sometimes even use social media to get in touch with people that you will actually lost uh contact with, right so like for example ya your you may like uh a friend that you


your primary school your secondary school you may lost contact with them but now you can actually you know make make err like like start talking to them again you can even meet them again, you know this this actually can make your ya everything better then like you can mend, broken you know


as in I I would like, to talk about it I don't really feel this its uh our topic today, ya I would like would like let's say regarding technology there's actually a lot of uh let's say before even now uh online news last time when it just broadcasting news uh on like uh television there's a lot of


channels that actually spread fake news already where they actually was supporting ya like their government or like different like different countries and stuff the there's been ya, ya, so I don't ya it's not really the more of the rise of technology that affect this is just it has been there since the start it just now its easy more easily done because of ya websites that can you know make a fake


fake err like make it sound more interesting say so people just click it but when click click it is actually just very very simple just that they make it sound interesting, for yeah so, ya so yeah like the points I said is there anything you would like to ya


ya so like back to our topic which is about like making technology making our life more fulfilling I feel err yeah like I said let's talk about like even bad like another example about COVID


like since I can't meet up with my friends and family uh lot my what are some ideas actually my friends do uh do is actually like do you know about grab food, ya so they actually can use grab food to send stuff to their loved ones and their friend


I understand but then again like we are talking about you know making it more fulfilling, eh Arjun like even like let's say if there's no technology this whole thing there's it wouldn't have have the option to you know like get the wrong house I mean like in the days if they get the wrong house they can just find it again


eh like the the art the act of like you know being able to yeah give some like you know in connection with someone your loved ones even during a pandemic is really a something that actually can make make people life you know really meaningful


if there's no like you know advancement of technology I feel like let's say let's say during the pandemic what can you do you only can stay at home and you can't even yeah you can't even have con connection with anyone other than house phones or even if you talk about older than that you can't even do anything


you understand like a lot people learned stuff on uh different sites like uh during, err during a pandemic there was this harvard was giving out a free courses so people could learn stuff even from the comfort of their home which is really good if you think about it like imagine the amount of content you can learn I mean


exactly that right, let's talk about uh youtube uh I can learn about everything on youtube, right if I want let's say I have a I I buy a guitar let's say quite (ah) like let let, example for me uh before the pandemic hit I bought a guitar I've been using youtube to learn how to play the guitar and the amount of content they can get there is really really really very good and I feel you can use it for anything


ya, ya that uh is good


uh ya but then again there's a moderators to actually, , ya so, what's your thoughts about technology actually not making it fulfilling like life


for for like for you what what's your like, what's the meaning of like you know like


so what what do you like to know may I know


like like I said without technology do you think you able to get, uh materials like soil or or fertiliser for your plant with shipment


so ya what your what your thoughts about like this that ya the fact that without the technology you can't even do


for me one of my hob like hobbies is actually uh video editing


I've seen Youtube that like you know met how videos editor and stuff yeah basically that's one of my hobby so let's say without technology firstly I won't able to learn cause I learn it online and secondly my whole thing is about technology video editing right, ya ya


online ya that's the thing that's why I'm saying it's really really fulfilling, it is its really its really a good feeling knowing that you can you know instead of like having to go like uh like uh lessons you everything like when you find something and you learn it yourself


ya, yeah


but two debate topic


yeah uh I agree I agree with that yeah so uh let's say err before I like you know go deep into this let me just start with your example so like you me said the drone that uh will fly by side uh will fly beside what again


so back to like the fact that is, (ah) artificial intelligence uh yeah I said so let's say if something happens to likes let's say someone's is flying a jet and something goes wrong


we can actually you know the the pilot can actually did uh over there to you know rectify uh last minute you know likes sometimes its we know it uh unstoppable you know but at least there's someone there with uh human emotions and human uh


you know like the thought process of a human rather than uh program so for example, example let's say if uh we have a uh artificial intelligence of a, you know like someone made to


like a robot you know obviously uh a lot of research has been done now so that uh, the robots can take over, uh human you know in many many places like, let's say err you go to supermarket they are like it's not robots yet but you get what I mean uh


there's you can just self uh self tap out uh self check in and stuff, whole point of of this is to in the future a a lot of job they want it to be uh you know more uh, more in text yeah more more technological advance you know so like uh for example I've


seen one where they actually making err so called robot to actually uh, do medical operations, no way, ya so right now you know there's uh doctors who are actually using like uh bionic arms and stuff to like you know make more precision, uh precision moves ya but let's say if let's say you want someone to like totally take over as uh take over a human right


right, so let's say in the broke the code is let's say you want to follow by the book, uh that the it says that oh if, you want to do this you have to you know, uh have to cut open this but let's say if it's not safe the program will just follow it you know I mean


and that human it uh, thought process of like what is best or what is like not painful for the, you know the patient it doesn't have like emotion so I feel when when this happened next time uh the fact that it's just


following what is been told is basically like a you know a you know, ya so it wouldn't really uh be good for like it's good in a sense that uh ya you don't need you uh lesser human labour it's


more uh you know pro its program so it's like more safer like let's say you need it to be precise it is precise, but if anything goes wrong who is there to you know to, rectify it you know what I mean, and even if you want you want someone okay let's say this thing uh does the job and someone is uh like you know watching it are they fast enough to you know do what a human who is already doing the


process and ya like how fast can they react to that you know I mean, like for example your your drone stuff uh you have to do it at that time but what if the program fail right


human error let's say if you you need to press it at like exactly you know three o'clock sharp the person may miss a few seconds okay but at least you if you train someone they will be able to you know they will know but let say the program uh program fails right, like let's say if you miss the three o'clock time let the human they may they will even they miss the three o'clock time they can do it again you know I mean


but let's say the program has only made sharpness but the program fails and you needs whole thing the whole operation is gone you know I mean


yes, and also the fact that the if human emotions and human you know thought process is not there it just uh soldier you know I mean


but to the other fact like let's say artificial intelligent in a whole instead of just uh that that does


yeah yeah yeah of course but like let's say the advancement of it do you think you should be concerned that its actually you know, more and more you know there are more and more artificial intelligent being used in like you know everyday things and let's say when it get advance how


how strong it will be you know say you know let's say a computer like the example like I said the robot that has the you know each of you know, everything the knowledge of everything being able to you know take over yeah essentially if they are actually made up of


you know materials stronger than human and they had their brains stronger than human, (mmhmm), you know codes can go wrong anytime we stop like let's say ya you know I mean, what can stop a human from getting injured you know I mean in the process


and who is that to blame you know I mean like let's say if a doctor screws up you know justice is being served because he will do his time but what what happens to a you know, a robot or like a machine the screws up and someone is affected by it what can it do is uh shut down the machine you know I mean


yeah exactly know know know, the company pay a fine which I don't think it's really uh you know yeah they pay but, is that really other than you know you really feel contented that you know uh no one actually like the person making you wouldn't get in trouble am I right you will just say


ya so what are your thoughts about that


yeah uh so let's uh let's say if you uh, let's talk about like another aspect let's say case uh, I mean we both are not uh experts in medical field like as one of it I've heard is uh yeah actually going to use err, like you know uh they planning lah it's a plan I do I don't know what's uh but they actually trying to make you know robot to actually take over cops in a sense because you know of uh in the field of you know like getting going out there they may get injured and stuff you know I mean


so yeah regarding that let's say if you get a robot to do become a cop uh and obviously you followed everyday is what if the person like know I mean is the the end of the day the ethical thing where will the robot do what it has to do to you know


uh follow what the, program is told or we do something that you know a human will do like for example instead of following the rules actually saving people you I mean


yeah yeah


so uh I hope uh like we since we giving me example there's one of it I saw this uh movie about you know if you just talking about how in case uh people use uh uh you know robots for uh everyday jobs in the future for example uh one of it I've on uh seen was


a fireman being replaced as a robot because of getting uh getting you know like sending your guys into fire is actually very dangerous for them in the future like uh you know the smoke and the fact that you actually you know being in the, fire what what this uh thing as he say so what the robot goes in right the person is


I mean the person is like let's say halfway showering or something, but you have to get them out alright let's say the female you need to get them out right, will your robot you know give them time to change the clothes or will it do what it has to do which is get the victim out ASAP you know


ya so in the end of day is does the you know it's each program is programmed to do what it has do but does it know human emotions of you know , , uh shame you know uh respect all these stuff like all these basic stuff you know I mean


cause it only works as what its being told like you know I mean, right yeah


so that's lah so its artificial intelligence lah, didn't use ya


ya exactly, it's and recently, concern that I I actually having you know with this advancement


yeah, alright so ya what's your like you know in a sense what uh like what do you think like like from what I said do you think it should be concerned about advancement of you know artificial intelligence if like in this way


yeah yeah yeah understand that's why like I said you we shouldn't stop it but I mean we should be like you know concern and you know but looking out case you know uh many things are being, like over like you know over thought about I mean not not over, thought as in people are not getting like thinking about it because they just wanted it to be you know easier safer


(mmhmm), is it really safer if you I mean it it's not thinking like a human you know I mean, ya and also did you should know about the fact that uh I mean and they talk a lot about the fact that actually what if everything is artificial intelligence take time and what if they take over us that a sense you know I mean


like you said like summarise it basically that ya err, the advancement of intelligence is a concern but we shouldn't be you know like just because of that we shouldn't be like stop researching about it or even you know advancing it because obviously it's going to be very helpful for us


ya it should work with us and not uh taking over us that's what I we both agree


okay so does modern technology satisfy our wants rather than our need, so for me I would like to you know uh clarify that, I feel modern I mean technology itself really is for our needs like of things for our needs but modern technology is different I feel a lot of thing a lot of things currently are actually more for our wants rather than our needs


for example online shopping right uh a lot of things, like like take me and my like from people I've heard uh we have a a lot of times we have ordered out of impulse we don't need something but we just order because at that point we feel its really


you know something that we need but if you actually let's let's talk about going to a shop when you go there you know you it take time to go there instead of like you know sometimes it take like can't go to the place like straight away we can't do it on impulse most of the time so, you know it really won't uh a lot of things ya it actually more of wants rather than need and also like you think about inventions


is like nowadays you see inventions going left and right a lot things are being invented just to you know yes is to make thing easier by the point is like how easy do you want something to be you know I mean, , out of pure you know I would actually call it laziness you know I mean


so ya a lot of things actually is just being ya just for the sake of you know you, like you just want something like faster faster faster, easier easier easier,


in our country


okay


and like having it delivered to you


yeah


ya like for your stand on this what what's your your your stand


okay modern technology or technology, can you like uh let me know ya


think better, as for you as let's say let's talk about you


okay let's say there's no modern technology so you telling me you can't get like mineral water you can't get food on the shops, there's where there's where I bring this up where is more of want and need so let's say let's


talk about food delivery you telling you can't go to the shop and get it you have to order it you know I mean is it really a need, no right, like you you're lazy to go to the shop or you are, tired and you like you know what I just want to you know order rather than going but it's not like oh I need to order you know I I think for me what's in those few that something that is you know a need but it's more of a ya its more of a want so let's just talking about food right so let's say shelter uh shelter wise I


yeah I mean I don't really know how technology affects their


I understand understand but you really okay


when you talk about like building like more more advance like more better houses and stuff at a point if you think about most of the are more of uh you know want like a lot of the facilities you know like you talk


yeah yeah yeahthose about like you know lender properly what about me it's actually you know one, condos about like you know landed properties most of it is actually you know wnats, you want it to be more like prestigious you know like what do you really need you just need a shelter you need basic furnitures you know you need like water supply electric supply that's all needs right


but now mostly modern technology is more I feel is giving to us wants cause, you can easily get using technology you can easily get what you need already what it's like you cannot just you I mean people like human human always want more and more and more with what you want right so ya so actually it's getting more towards once very like


(mmhmm), yeah so actually is gearing more towards wants rather than


think do I really need my fridge, sell playing a song for me you know I mean, ya is that really a need (ah) yeah is like I say is it a


uh do you think modern technology has like you know so called like affected our mind in a sense that that we don't know what we want and what we need you get I mean


like you said like let's bring back to that you think as a normal human itself I don't think that's someone something need I mean someone someone needs right I mean something someone needs right but, ya but then if you because the more fancy you say oh my neighbour has it so I need it you know I can't be the one without it you know I


that screws up with your mind that what you want and what you need and it really you don't even know what is the line at this point because of the modern technology, exactly


yeah, sorry


yeah like I said I already told like why is more uh satisfying of our wants than our needs, but yeah like would like like to know more of like why you think it's needs rather than wants


okay


so is like you're saying it first first err you know the base, in first of you is the base line of uh satisfying our want uh need right


ya but if you look at it that way so at this point right if everyone is ya like you say if it already satisfies your needs and then


it moves on to wants wouldn't your need your, you needs become higher you got I mean it becomes uh uh highest, right let's say if you talk about like a normal basic, uh need right, people will tell them oh you need that's how it goes and in oh I need a aircon you know I mean


but it's because of the it's because of this modern technology that uh basic uh not even basic like (ah) privileges had become a need, needs right, ya so what's what's the thought about that


have a, set get your need settled right, but then again yeah like I said is technology, but I feel a lot of modern technology it get towards wants that's that's what I get back to like the point right


err no but I I mean I've been I've been I've with seen online about you know how uh how, thing you know like who you know yeah of course then it it only that were like you know had they has the same of more uh technological advancement as us or even other countries it will way easier for them to get it right


ya but like I said if you talk about, us itself you know let's like let's bring back to us yeah of course you know we are living in like in a sense of different life you know


like I say yeah then again that's what I'm saying the fact that there are needs to be very different from us because of how we have you know uh more is get towards us than them you know I mean, like let's say like give give me example of like uh like a modern technology uh item that you can think of


instead of like that, like if you think about it you as a student right as a as a working adult as a anyone right here you need like in a sense


everything you do you need a smartphone like even now during COVID you to go to any mall you want to go to anywhere you need a smartphone to scan it you know I mean, you like you can have a IC right but then certain places like uh what what I've been few few places at the start they actually don't allow you to a place unless you scan in rather than not even IC you have to use the scanning


my, my ya elderly's ah I've seen elderly's who couldn't even go into mcdonald's because at a point they didn't even had the, the use of smartphone to go in, the thing uh it became a need to have a smartphone you know I mean


and they won't even need a phone you know I mean let alone like smartphone right


ya like I said uh it's just really


uh huge topic to talk about because you know different walks of life and different you know uh different levels of want and need right, but, we really have to the main thing lah like I said modern technology has really affected uh this bar of what needs in a way because


err you know it's, a grey area right now but you don't know what's your wants what's your need, exactly ya, need, but, I agree to your fact that ya the needs are always err, you know handed first before it goes to wants but I just I the concern is just that at what point you know ya your your yeah need


yeah, so would you like to wrap it up


part one debate topic one


so medical okay okay so medical science has advanced, rapidly and raised our positive expectations of it to a to an unsustainable point, so


uh, advances in medical science, have, provided cures to many diseases, and good health, is now taken for granted by many individuals, and who have mistakenly believed that undergoing medication or medical procedures can replace healthy living


there are so many, the medical science has advanced so much that uh there are many cures


to, so much diseases and, which makes human, uh, able to live longer as compared to, last time uh, those ancient people because


they didn't had such advanced, uh science medical science, so like when they are sick then they will, when they are sick uh


they just have to wait it out or, have to use like herbs, and uh, they make their own medicine instead of going to the doctor and getting a, a pill, which or or getting a vaccine


to prevent us from uh, getting sick or solving our, illness ya uh and so


now nowadays the, average human, , average human lifespan is about eighty to ninety years old so but then, last time, before uh medical science got so advanced


the, the average lifespan of a human being is about forties to fifties


so so that's why medical science is, wait, medical science is so successful that people now expect too much of it, and and because


because everything uh we will get, we will get , like we can just go to the doctor anytime and, get get a get a medication


so that, so people just uh go to the doctor and and they already expect like the doctors to give them the medicine that they need to cure their


various aspects of medical science in aesthetic, and, elective surgery have progressed to precedented levels encouraging many individuals to utilise such procedures excessively in search of


physical perfection displacing traditional wellness and values centered upon natural beauty and, positive self image, so as you said that, uh


you were also talking about this, uh, uh procedures, for beauty and self image so I agree to medical science uh advance


that rapidly that people use, uh is taking the advantage of it, to have uh, procedures to make themselves, look uh, to to


make themselves uh look up to, society's expectations and to also make themselves look more, uh good looking in a way or, to fix, to fix what they don't like about


uh how they look like about themselves so, so , there's another is some highly publicised and profiled incidents of


advanced medical intervention such as the separation of conjoined twins and or complete facial reconstructed reconstruction, are mistakenly assumed by the public to be the norm rather than exception in medical science so


speaking of like conjoining twins, people, this kind of like natural, distortions are, are not to be, as exempted because


, this uh this condition can be treated by the medical science and because of the advanced, , technology we have for medical uh it is possible to separate conjoined twins


, or it so that, uh, it but compared to last time it's it was like impossible to do that because they have not, studied enough to learn about the complexity of this surgery


uh this surgery and, uh and also people, for example people can now, uh, do surgery to change their


facial features and also their body their their body uh features completely, uh which is also, like before before medical science has been advanced it was it was also


difficult to complete this kind of request and people can totally, uh look different from, how they want to be I mean how they were born to be and


because of the, advanced medical science, uh it's it is now possible to, do a complete facial reconstruction, and, for example for people who are changing their genders or


or, or that they want to make themselves look more uh to a certain way


people also misuse, well like ya, like exploit the the the medical the advanced medical technology now because, of like


they just want to make themselves look nicer or, but, but then it's also it's essential also because, of some procedures that that are essential such as like


removing of tumors, and cancers or or removing excess, excess skin or whatever but then uh there's a fine line between like


the the needs and wants of of uh surgery, ya and also uh medicines and vaccine have been developed, to improve the quality, quality of life and uh


so that they do not, uh suffer even further than they need to, and, uh because all these technology when before it was uh discovered, uh


people had to live with, uh, whichever they had to, like without the advanced, uh technology and so they they would have a worse quality of life and they might not


have, resolved the issue


place too much reliance on technology, the modern world, has placed too much reliance on technology a breakdown in technology such as a loss of electricity, would bring societies and economies to a standstill


excessive use of technology depletes many natural resources that are not easily replaced and it results in a wider technological gap between developed and poorer countries


while technology has improved our standard of living and made our lives easier, we should use it in such a way that benefits the people and the environment technology which means the development and application of


tools machines materials and processes that help to solve human problem is a wonderful thing now you can have a cellphone with internet access with the capability to take pictures and video with computers


all the information you'll ever want is available on the internet with just a, few keystrokes in a search engine, , technology has undoubtedly linked the world together making it seem so much smaller and interconnected


even tedious household household chores such as, washing washing clothes or have been made so much easier with the invention of the washing, machine , industries rely


ya, industries rely on machines to increase productivity, to generate more revenue entertainment in the forms of television programmes and computer games are all made possible thanks to technology transport in the forms of airplanes vehicles and rockets


, technology improve the way we live uh providing us with many, with benefits and more efficient systems of organization and carrying things out , our lives are so governed by technology in so many aspects and spheres of our lives that many fear the loss of human independence


uh this has spawned copious science fiction movies and books that imagine modern, world dominated by machines and robots uh relegating men to the backseat technology has been used to improve our welfare but in this age of uncertainty over reliance will be harmful because we'll be left helpless if technology fails on us one day


so we must we must, still rely on our own skills or human abilities, because , technology cannot come into place every single time and we also cannot allow technology to intrude every part of our daily lives


uh humans have placed reliance of on technology to progress economically and socially we find the need of technology to maintain the pace of progress for example in the development of nuclear weapons to ensure that the country's nuclear


armaments are modernised and are on equal footing of the other developed countries for for developing nations it serves as a vehicle of, progress in terms of, standard of living this could be through the sales of technology to increase income or using technology to improve the lives of people


this is possible through several ways for example technological tools uh like social networking sites which can help to connect potential business partners and, allow for political mobilisation however


uh technology has yet to infiltrate certain aspects of our lives our ability to think and feel does not depend on technology we do but we do possess some degree of ownership of our own lives and being modern world did not allow technology to take over our mind and souls


human emotions and interpersonal relationships are highly valued and this is something we cannot depend on technology for nonetheless this it is an irrefutable fact that our forms of communication systems are becoming


uh increasingly void of emotion and human touch this is evident from people communicating through other modes of communication such as , electronic mails or phone calls uh without meeting up face to face it seems that the interpersonal relationships once highly eh once valued highly are not much of importance to human now because of technology


the, the digital technology the age of digital, technology have been advancing rapidly such as in information and communication technology internet mobile phone technology uh and computers there's a high dependency


on their computers and mobile phones in their day-to-day dealings functioning like a life support tool it allows large database of information to be accessed anywhere, , we access anywhere anytime such technology has replaced the conventional methods of sourcing information to a large extent


and yet over reliance could prove detrimental with a breakdown in technologies systems or databases, so, for example uh recently in sport people uh have started to make use of sensor devices which to keep track of the progress during exercise so as to allow them to gauge how much they have achieved such as how much calories they have lost


out of which uh exercising session when they have when all this technology is put into place we have seem to forgotten the sports that came out initially as, the healthy idea that does does it our passion we have to come to a point that we need technology to help us build up our passion this only goes to show that how over reliant we are on technology


so technology, has , become a vulnerable issue as well uh result of over reliance shows terrorists able to deploy eh employ employ, technology in helping to create create new hanging systems so as to gain access to vital uh information and attack large cooperations and governments uh technology


allows almost all from the world to be more integrated to each other people are from all, over the world simply stores information in different channels of technology and this makes it easier for terrorists to obtain information they want legally or illegally with greater accessibility


to information due to technology over reliance could lead to our downfall, breakdown in technology would handicap our ability in defending ourselves there there is a heavy reliance on technology and it is easily observable in most aspects of our lives


the fact that technology plays as an essential role in our lives, is indisputable and can be seen through the mechanisation of labour replacing human labour in the market there is a need


to realize that over reliance could prove detrimental to our well being, and, and futures if technology is not fully utilised, so uh as we we are constantly introducing technology into the various activities we engage in


we depend on it to enhance our enjoyment when doing activities for example, wait ah sorry for example , using technology like as and when we want it so


, like we rely, uh, to do everything with technology like example, uh, on our daily lives uh we check like the bus timing all this or like to book a


book a private hire car so we'll we are always we are always utilizing technology like every seconds of our lives so I mean for, for like in my own experience at least


like even this ya even this uh, meeting is, is like rely on technology if not we had to do this like


part three debate topic three


science is a creative enterprise it combines the exploration of the natural world with the generation of knowledge and it is used, in human endeavours this


combination of creativity with, uh, purpose is often exemplified in the discovery of science but the effects of new scientific discoveries inventions, uh


on society always raised concerns among the people, , this is especially true when a when a discovery has a negative or harmful impact on society, be it the human health


biodiversity or the environment I believe in most circumstances, , scientists should be held responsible for these effects, so each scientist, each scientist has a moral obligation that their invention


that their intervention, eh their invention does not, adversely affect anyone, , this goes directly against defence scientists as their job to design things that are supposed to harm people


, scientists uh should have in mind that concern for men and his well being should be the objective of inventions and discoveries at the same time as highly educated individuals they should never


forget all men are made equal never should we resort to abusing inventions, , from technology to harm and, in equal being for, the sake of safety of the people around us


despite so much being said we always have our invest our vested interests in mind when it leads to national security like what bush puts it, uh, we uh america we have to we have the right to wage a pre-emptive war against those we


deem a threat however, however if a scientist knows the possible drawbacks are far from significant than the benefits, , he or she should nevertheless stop doing such research for example a deadly virus which could possibly kill millions uh as scientists


uh, those who know their discoveries and inventions the best they would eh they also know about the possible drawbacks, and benefits the best hence they should try to take up the social responsibility to recommend or at least advocate positive


usage of their findings


I think I beg to differ this is because more than often more than not scientists do not only play the passive role of inventing or discovery and completely, leave up to the society to decide


how their discovery should be used since the discoveries are their work scientists are eh have the liberty to decide how their discoveries are used, and most usually use that power to influence how their discoveries uh are used at the least at the very least parties who want to use their inventions are able to do so because their scientists approved of it


this is because whenever scientists come up with a new device their invention will slowly, it will usually be patented uh patents are the government's way of giving the scientist ownership of his or her creation


for a certain period of time usually ten to twelve years patent, holders also known as the scientists are allowed to control how their, inventions are used allowing them to reap the financial rewards of their work


patents may not be palpable legally binding manifestation of a person's genius and innovation though by allowing the scientists to own their to own their discovery or invention uh it


implicitly it implicitly means, that the scientists must have played their uh some part in uh in how their inventions is used however,


however it it it is used uh hence when the discovery is harmful towards society scientists should, scientists should be also be held responsible sometimes even scientists are the ones who asked or approached


for the government, uh the government uh company or individual for them to use or consider the discoveries for instance in nineteen thirty, eight uh three chemists, in berlin managed to split


managed to split the uranium uranium atom the energy released when these splitting or fusion occurs it it is tremendous enough, to power a bomb however before such weapon could be built numerous technical problems had to be overcome


when albert einstein learned that germans might need, eh, might succeed in solving these these problems he wrote to the US, president franklin roosevelt with his concerns einstein's letter helped initiate the US efforts to to build an atomic bomb subsequently uh other findings demonstrate


conclusively that the a bomb was feasible and made uh building the bomb on top of a priority for the US with the government launching the manhattan project in nineteen forty one this project eventually led to the deployment of two


atomic bombs over the japanese cities of hiroshima and nagasaki, uh, so the bomb name was called little boy so little boy killed ninety percent of the population in hiroshima and tens of thousands more


would later die in radiation exposure while fat boy, killed an estimate, estimated forty thousand people in nagasaki uh hence in his situation scientists are, responsible for the usage or effects of their discoveries


scientists are the ones who they take the purpose of their inventions such uh its uses and effects uh they first set an objective, of their research in mind and then carry out the research according to that objective their invention is the


result of that objective if others use it and turns out to be harmful towards certain parties then that is actually merely the intent of the scientist uh some may argue that it is the fault of the user who used the, invention wrongly or changed the original purpose of the invention uh of their own for their own interests by scientists scientific research is usually highly specific and one invention cannot be easily use for another completely differently or opposing purpose for example during the nineteen eighty


uh eighteen eighty eighties uh, there were two prominent players in the electrical industry the edison general electric company founded by thomas edison that established themselves with direct current or DC uh which is the electric current that flows in one one direction service


, and the west westing house corporation founded by george westinghouse that developed an alternative current AC uh electric current that reversed direction in a circuit in regular intervals, service to


win the win against the his competitor edison started a smear campaign against westinghouse uh claiming that AC technology was safe to use he held a public demonstration in new jersey supporting his accusation by setting up a one thousand bolt westinghouse AC generator


attaching it to a metal plate and executing a thousand a dozen animals by placing them on the electrified metal plate this was the first prototype of the electric chair and cost the new york legislation


to pass, to the state on uh the new official execution so, uh in this case okay ya , okay okay in this case uh if they foresee the


intended for, for the users effects uh scientists are responsible for the usage of their discoveries


okay so many many medical institution and associations have educated the public sufficiently such that many advanced medical procedures are regarded as life-saving interventions rather than substitutes for healthy living


the public maintains a fair degree of scepticism and weariness towards the more dubious development developments in aesthetic surgery and, to understand their risk


undertaking them is only exceptional rather than like mystical circumstances many advanced there's many advance in social medical science such as like cleft lip surgery


they are now like routinely utilized in both economically developed and deprived conditions by medical professionals vastly improving patients life and becoming the healthcare norm that all societies can reasonably aspire towards


next is uh another point is, advancements in technology has enabled us to, move beyond just slowly solely curing the human body to modifying it to suit one person's needs


uh and this is the the, undesirable consequence of the public disappropriate amount of trust of trust in the medical science and its ability to satisfy their gripes about their about health and wellness


like , the simple it's it's a simple procedure to like correct a broken nose or cleft lip it was given rise to a multitude of unnecessary treatments


like and procedures ranging from like skin tightening face lifts ya and not everyone's satisfied and this this constant dissatisfaction with the , current and less invasive procedures offered by the medical technology


and the insatiable desire to for more innovative, unconventional, methods to further enhance the body has fueled,


the rapidly, involving cosmetic industry, , and it's the blind faith that people place in such risky procedures has also resulted in skyrocketing, costs associated with like cosmetic procedures so uh


apart from like possible obsession with cosmetic surgeries, a surfeit of conviction is in untested cutting edge research opens up the possibility for such research to be abused and exploited


research have done like stem cell stem cell therapy cloning and organ transplants which are experimental ah okay


okay okay so , I was saying like uh apart from the obsession with cosmetic surgeries and


like , the surf surfeit of the, surfeit of conviction in untested cutting edge , research also like, , the results of it has has been inconsistent and the the procedures also have not been widely accepted by the medical community and as a result


expecting such a uh genetic engineering process to improve , one's quality of life is, uh ,


uh , like foolish and impractical, ya because of like , uh the pursuit of ideals like and but nevertheless as as as scientists continue to


to, to dabble with research of the questionable nature, hoping to make a groundbreaking discovery there is a possibility that ethics and morality will be sacrificed with with that the technology to be precisely and


accurately edit human genetic sequence within reach designing humans are no longer just a science fiction fantasy and,


I don't have anything else to say, okay so


so I feel like cosmetic procedures like , implants I mean cleft, cleft, cleft lip surgery is fine lah but like


uh, actually it's how you see it, some, some people, uh, want to go, like tummy tuck but also


some people don't really agree with it but sometimes the tummy tuck is necessary for some people not saying I mean necessary but, , like, I feel like all these cosmetic surgeries right can bring up your confidence as a person lah err ya


part two debate topic two


okay so uh, my turn


does the modern world place too much reliance on technology I disagree, because, only nineteen point one percent of the world is like first world first which first world which means like


those people who heavily rely on technology so the rest the rest of the world which is the like eighty percent have very little to even no access or technology at all or at least like the latest technology


so, majority of the world still leave with no technology machines are operated manually and resources are limited ya uh and talking about the technology


almost everyone in the world will will will will definitely like cannot live without technology , and and need it wherever they go like for my case I need I I need technology wherever I go but


most people in other countries all those those with with little technology they get by and even way before technology happened everybody got by so ya


when when it comes to like technology that never existed in our daily life before imagine that we don't know anything about the existing technology or like or not yet or it won't exist at all


human life can possibly live without it and live their life like a thousand years back , then when there was no problem so without technology, uh existing our life would be like the old days of our great grandparents


like for existed for instance when people go out of town if it's far away they will wake up early in the morning or walk or maybe ride bicycle and the air will be fresh and


actually there is this new technology that creates uh it it was created for housework where you don't need to move your body and, you just sit and take the remote control with you ya when you need to throw your rubbish away uh you just uh it will just clean the floor for you lah


and I think it will make you lazy one thing and, why do we rely so much on technology right, so like ya, okay next point is


oh okay so uh moving on like we don't need technology, because it I think it's a way of life like for example rural areas of china crops uh from farms are harvested manually with


using manpower so there are a lot of farmers I mean this is the growing technological gap between rich people and the poor people , so modern world can other mean


of substituting technology with manpower mankind increasingly recognises uh problems our reliance of technology poses and taking steps to alleviate these problems by reducing our dependency


technology permeates every aspect of our lives and it was also traces of technology that made, has made life in the past better over time so it's first it's important to understand the most


of, culture surrounding technology so, uh from, take uh


technology, the, the role, of technology has infiltrated every aspect of our life , for example changing how we work how we learn how we shop


and it's uh inevitable that our devices are devices such as cellphones laptops and everything else began to reflect on our civic explorations and our desire to connect with others and contribute to the


around the world around us, like the internet and related tools already play crucial roles in such as data mapping visualizations crowd sourcing and more and they lower transaction costs for groups information and actions like we always


have come together to engage in the community and the potential of the internet is that we are able to do it more efficiently , and they shave time uh group members don't have to be in the same room at the same time


uh to meet and they coordinate activities over days and months and members can chime in at their convenience whether it's uh in the morning in the nights or or whatever time


and they facilitate easy, communications like spreading word is now spreading the word only takes one click and we and that's that's all that that's all we do nowadays if we want to share something


the timer stopped moving, oh should I continue okay I continue ah okay so actually some


some some uh, you got disconnected, okay so I'll continue uh some some argue that scientists should not be held responsible for the usage slash effects of their discoveries as scientists merely invent


like their job is to invent but they're not the ones who actually use these discoveries to harm society science discoveries are like neutral in nature all can be good or bad depending on the way they're used for instance for example thomas


midgley junior he was a renowned chemist and inventor who held like over hundred patients in his uh lifetime, however his legacy is now tarnished as the full effects of his invention


uh most notably leaded gasoline and the greenhouse gas freon and the first CFC has been understood as


j r mcneill an environment historian described that he had he has had more impact on the atmosphere, than any other single organism in earth's history and this would seem to imply that he was alone and he was responsible for all the harmful effects that his inventions had on society but if we were to look beneath the surface


we would find that it is not the case in reality at all initially initially midley discovered, tetraethyl lead or TEL for a good purpose, to successfully eliminate the problem of knocking in


uh, the, in automobile engines, general motors was a company that used it and , even setting up the general motors chemical company to produce TEL because the previous ethanol gasoline blend


fuel could not be patented and offered no viable profit for GM and at that time many medical experts including US surgeon general expressed grave concerns over the potential health problems that would arise from the use of TEL


but their views were swept under the rug by uh general motors, and even after workers at their plant began to succumb to lead poisoning there was lack of action from the federal government uh it's also which was never informed to the public of the dangers of TEL or commission an independent study on the effects


one of the first uh, CFCs was also invented for a good purpose to discover an alternative to, ammonia and propane which was commonly used as refrigerants but were flammable and highly toxic just at is just just as it was with TEL and the health and environmental effects were not made public


and were not available publicly until years later as seen, it was the use of midgley's discovery by the profit driven uh company uh general motors that cause harm to society and coupled with inventions


international actions by said company to hide the effects of TEL and inability of the government to discern these effects these parties should be the ones responsible for effects of TEL and freon today hence it was


who will use the discoveries wrong whether government company or individual , who should be responsible for whatever damage discovery had on society and


err, in other case, uh the original purpose of discovery cannot be completely changed and scientific discoveries often lead to unintended effects that diverge from their original purposes in this case scientists should not be held responsible for the usage slash effects of their discoveries as they did not


, intend ya intend for like this unexpectedly harmful by effects of their inventions uh using the example of


uh thomas midgley junior again he first created TEL and freon with good intentions but, uh, he did not expect them it's he did not expect for them to harm the environment and human health in any way other example would be agent orange it was invented with good intentions


, by author galston to speed up growth of soybeans, and allow them to be grown in areas with short season uh it was used by the US military to act as a defoliant again in the vietnam war to protect and save lives of the US and allied soldiers but however


agent orange turned out to have, agent , agent orange turned out to have , severe negative impacts on the environment and health in vietnam and it cost four four hundred thousand deaths and disabilities with another five hundred thousand birth defects and there's about seventeen percent of the total forested area of


vietnam has been sprayed and this disrupted ecological equilibrium and the persistent nature of dioxins and erosion caused by the loss of tree cover and loss of seedling, forest stock meant that reforestation was difficult or maybe even impossible in many areas and animal species diversity was also impacted and in one


study a harvard biologist found twenty four species of bird and five species of mammals in a sprayed forest while two adjacent sections of uh unsprayed forest, there were there were one hundred and forty five and hundred seventy species of birds and fifty and fifty five species of mammals as shown


, uh in this case the scientists did not intend for these effects of their discovery and we have to understand that scientists are also human and they make mistakes and hence we should not hold them responsible for impacts even if they do not expect so li shan


part one debate topic one


I'll I'll I'll think just at, it's alright uh I think just adding on ya of what you have said by barack obama on uh would the environmental


at conference in the copenhagen right


right I, let me let me let me just uh summarise what you have said, so I believe you are stating the statement that you are supporting the the discussion that view the view that environmental conservation efforts today are nothing more than token gestures am I right


correct correct, based on your your your feedbacks and your point of view I think, it's fair enough to say I agree on the point that US uh USA is definitely one of the biggest contributor to environmental pollution uh judging by the size of the country and how the economy works that contributes to the demand of


uh consumers on on a daily basis however I I I feel there are still points that uh may not be strong enough to uh to to suggest your statement and that being said I would actually


, like to share you on share with you on my point that I I don't believe, that the uh conferences and uh political leaders uh environmental leaders having big event spreading the message is a token of uh it's just a mere token gesture because I believe that these events uh


have been set up and the main goal is to definitely curb, the environmental pollution and also conserving on the remaining of what the earth is and that means that we have seen results in the past few years ya and I believe that if you were to look at uh big brands uh that is being loved by many daily consumers as adidas


they have been pushed by political leaders and even uh by the , local governments of each of these home countries in a sense where they're pushing these brands to produce their, products in in a more environmentally friendly way and these are all part and uh


these are all comes from the efforts of big big, organisations like there are world, WWF where conservation is also a big thing because we want to protect uh environmental uh conservation and in sense where we want to protect the ocean so preventing part plastics


pollutions where we can see that at any dead animals where uh carcass of animals where they've been dissected and found plastics in their body and this is because of the human consumption, and if we and I believe you've seen the very famous channel


animal planet uh and if you see BBC documentaries by david attenborough where they have gone uh, lot long miles to to to project uh the reality to to people on the dangers of uh environment when it's not taken care of so I believe that uh these events do have the benefits


have uh I would I would say that have benefit and therefore environmental conservation efforts are not just token gestures


but what do you think what what do you think I mean I would like to find out your, views on what are your opinions on the efforts that have done today if you have seen the the the local uh the, the one of the written big event that was covered by


multimedia platforms where uh I believe a young lady I forgot her name but she was the one that really spoke out on environmental and how we should have protect the earth uh before, it's uh it's crush in the sense that,


humans would suffer because of their own uh personal consumption what what's your views on that


ya but ya it it's a good point that you bring up blue planet because I I think that actually that is one of the efforts uh I would say of uh one of the highly watched documentaries understanding how are humans activities and also what we


we have done to the environment do affect the natural, habitat of these animals uh be it in the ocean or in the jungle as well and have we have we have seen in the recent years uh there have been, so many reports on alarming rate of ice melting and this is the result due to uh environmental not being taken care of which then would have a ripple effect to the climate itself where by uh you have seen the global warming have increased and that's resulted in


many lives been affected not only the animals itself but as well as , people who are living near the oceans where that, ocean itself has become their main source of income and also so been their main source for food, and I believe that with the efforts that we are doing on a daily basis uh be it personal or on a global scale we have multimedia platforms where


messages of saving the environment recycling reuse and reducing the wastage have seen results in the in in the past few years and I believe that in the near in the near future to come, where internet is a unbiased platform and it has no limits to the to the to to the to the search and as far as the how far it can spread I believe that environmental conservation would be


uh every governments' main priority because at the end of the day I believe that when you save the environment and if everyone does their part it actually helps the economy to grow and also to maintain the quality of health and life in every part of the


meaning in every in every country ya be it if you ya


wonderful wonderful and I I believe that uh the points you have bring up, uh, it is happening today as we can see big companies that are preaching the same uh message do have uh hidden agendas uh but I wouldn't believe I wouldn't put it as hidden agendas I believe at the end of the day as a company they are that main goal is to


is to be profitable but at the same time we have seen uh a huge decrease in the in the other areas of , conserving the environment right that would mean in a sense where they are reducing the pollution that they're releasing from their from their plant or their factories itself uh the the the work processes and the protocols that are in place these days are are being measured by


environmental organisations and I believe if you have to put in singapore context would be NEA uh where businesses are to follow certain practices and certain, rules where if they were not uh if they are found to be to be to be away from the


the advice protocol then that would result in fine and I believe as a business they would, want to stay away from from this fines and and also to ensure that they keep their license but I I I wouldn't I wouldn't shoot down your your your whole statement because I believe to a certain extent it does happen and it may happen to more


in in the it will happen regularly in the third world countries where regulations are more loose and as well, there are very little government intervention because in their main goal would to build the economy to to to raise the quality of living in this third world countries but yes mister Dhatri thank you for your statement and


I I still stand by my my my, my side of the the the the coin uh at which I believe that environmental conservation is still not just token of gesture


debate topic two


you may begin


so I believe you were stating the points on where poorer countries would need more on, uh support from the government uh and they are of deeply affected because of environmental issues however however on my point I I do believe at some point of time and it would be morally correct


that if the government uh that is in the poorer countries were too, support the, uh the the people in terms of their personal needs and that would be the basic needs in terms of shelter uh uh drinkable water food source and as well as uh employment uh capabilities this is this is very important because it is


it shapes the very basic of human needs and without without the and human made up, uh makes the, makes the numbers of the whole uh basically basically uh people or the the citizens of these countries are the backbone of the country meaning


that they are the manpower that drives the economy they are uh if we were to go from the the the lowest ground would be and this in no in in no formation uh of the degree of their, or importance of their job but I would believe it starts from the farm uh farmers whereby personal needs are very very important because that gets them to produce the crops that supports the demands of the uh market and also with the basic need


basic needs uh when it's met it actually gives a uh it provides stability in the economy, as well as uh lower crime rates and I believe if you've seen countries uh if we were to compare a first world country and the third world country would be very unfair if in terms of the economy uh performance but if you were to bring it down to


where basic needs are met and I believe that the first world country offers uh very good insurance schemes uh health hospitals, drinkable water and when these needs are met we can see that the the people of these countries perform way better in terms of


their access to multiple things which is for example education having a place to stay uh keeps them save lower crime rates uh thus my my statement will be I believe that poor countries should be


uh should have their basic needs met first before the environmental issues are being attend to


so so you're saying that because of the the the the the poorer countries having a poorer leader, uh that is leading a country that leads to crime rate but if in the first place the basic needs are met would there would there have been an opportunity or reason for the citizens to even create or uh do a crime in the first place for example let me give you a situation whereby if it


if you were to take in for example in in, in , vietnam right vietnam is one of the uh a well known third world country whereby we've we've seen a lot of uh cases where it's mugging, you know


tourists being harassed uh theft cases and if you were to look deeper into the reasons why these cases do happen uh first of all we can it boils down to, the the standard of uh living of these people in vietnam right we can see the houses the water


quality are not being met at the basic level and this is far apart from the tourist areas where you can see it's it's a bit more developed, where they have the the the the proper source of water and have uh people having shops they have jobs and whatnot but if you were to look more uh in into the rural areas these are people being neglected and that this proportion of


uh having the access to the basic needs do create the gap where it leads to crime, so, I believe that it the government should step in to focus more on helping the people, and not not giving them a reason to uh to create these crimes or resort to a very drastic and desperate uh actions


to to fulfil their needs, if if you understand where I'm coming from


I'll say those are great points and yes if they have the needs being met then there would definitely be a huge reduction in , in the crime rates and and as well as uh that that the points you have mentioned earlier but if if we were to


go back to the question where it mentions uh environmental issues and I believe these environmental issues, could boil down to a very few reasons and one of them it could, be a man made err, man made actions for example as simple as littering


can can can can be can be, can, can be considered as uh also contribute to the fact environmental is being affected but I, I believe that this is where


basic need comes in again for example right one of the points that I I believe basic needs would also be education which is not uh which is not spoken uh quite often it uh education's often seen as a stepping stone for


an individual to to prosper in his or her career but it has never been uh been spoken about in the in in the terms where a person's uh individuals uh habits and , health uh besides healthy habits but also the the


being clean and also being being very cautious of their actions towards the environment uh, and this it if you were to bring back into singapore we have , classes always help an education for example right and in help


I I'm I'm stating on the point where education do do do help to shape individuals in in being uh being sensitive to environment so if the poorer countries, have the same access as uh a first world country meaning their basic needs are met they have education they would then be able to understand the detrimental effects if they were to contribute to environmental issues so that brings back us to the point that basic needs it is the utmost important reason


I I think to a certain extent it does it does highlight the, the point that you you were you were trying to bring front but how how, how would you say from a government standpoint or uh people


outside the country looking at this country and knowing that basic needs are not being met is that a crime to be address uh when the death counts increase, and who who who would, be uh would be responsible


ya if death were to be involved, because at the end of the day yes we can do a lot of prevention with the environmental issues but at the end of the day something that we could not control, or rather we could have control if it's managed, properly uh and when people start dying