by they have this camera system where you can look at to the camera and the colors will be applied to your, to your to your skin basically like a like a like a photo taking, app so all this actually it's a want you know you so how you don't really have to go down you don't have to take that extra effort to go down to the physical store so from home you can do everything so this is


is isn't this a want, where you don't have where you don't have to travel down so what happens if everybody just stays at home and does everything from home then how about all those, , retail stores or food chains that that are not on the on the media platform or on the delivery platforms what happen to all those traditional stores won't their lives be affected because of because of our subjective wants


uh sorry I'm not just talking about this pandemic I'm talking about before and after the pandemic


okay, as you mentioned previously uh


, that how modern technology has uh benefited us in a way that you can right now see through your phone for anything that you want over the phone right on your free time or or whatever so you you know how on your free time


I mean your, this browsing for example on the lazada app or the shopee app and you're just browsing and browsing this will actually influence you into spending more than what you need right so you don't need something for example


, for example you just need, a certain kind of for example you just need fries to keep to sustain you but your want is I want I want uh a a very, luxury meal I want a meal from a certain restaurant that's a want right but while so what I'm trying to say is while browsing browsing you actually look beyond what you need


you start looking for your wants like what will what will be nicer more than what I need and this is how actually you you spend unnecessary money, so when you spend unnecessary money, you are actually at a loss, but the the ones who are selling to you are at the gain


yeah


I I disagree I feel that technology is actually profit modern technology that that are here to satisfy our wants is actually profit driven like how you mentioned uh you know you can just buy everything from from the comfort of your own home basically


basically whatever that whoever is selling, I'll only looking for profit that's why I'm saying modern technology is profit driven, not to just look at your needs but, they want you to they want you to spend more


, so that they will gain, yeah, that's why I say that technology satisfies our wants rather than our needs


Zi-Ni ,


yes, true, true that not everything it's true that not everything is it's a want but , but, you know there are yes and nos to to this to this debate topic actually whether modern like how you said


ya so like how you said this is subjective it is indeed subjective where to the point that you to the example that you give just now yeah in in that case in that scenario it's actually a need because you have to depend


yeah, might it benefits us but it's actually like an uh, it's actually like an easy easier way to help you save life so what happens in the traditional olden technology where modern technology was not in place so what happen to if you move backwards to cavemen when they are stuck in the forest will practically they are living in the forest


they source their own food or coming to giving an example about army lives where you're stuck in the forest uh you have nothing to eat for example the commandos they have to find their own food right where they they find a quail or something they kill it and they eat it right those are


those are actually ways of living so right now we are so dependent on modern technology that we expect a drone to come and drop food for us or expect I mean yes it benefits us in a it it definitely benefits us but it has made us more dependent on it


right, no but we are dependent on on we are we are expecting the government or whoever is going to come to save us definitely they're going to use modern technology you you wouldn't think your first instinct wouldn't be like okay I need to kill an animal to to to survive


I need to kill I need to do something within my means in the forest to survive you would think okay I'm lost here I'm definitely the government can find me through GPS or or what not you know definitely they will they will they will send help you know, but for example if you move backwards back in the back in the fifties or the forties do we will never ever think that a drone is going to come to save us we will just we will we will use our own survival instincts of of how can we find water how can we find shelter


you know we wouldn't depend on modern technology so truly the need is, truly for example when it come uh if I give you an example of forest it being stuck in a forest like how you mention truly the need is how you're going to source food by


by the food chain of killing someone killing not someone sorry killing an like an animal or a or a quail or whatever okay but modern technology is you expecting someone to come and drop food or send help to you so that is a want


the need is to the need in this in this situation is how am I going to survive, by sourcing my own food the want is the expectants that that the government or someone who is finding for you will send help, yes it does benefit you because modern technology can find you through GPS but coming back to our topic


modern technology indeed satisfies our wants more than our needs


no no no,


they they use they use those date yeah, I would chase their creativity


more than technology, that is up sorry I would I would I want to interrupt that's not that's not modern technology that is like traditional caveman technology you know that is that's a need that's your instinct survival instinct to find something sharp to hunt for food but I'm telling you that the modern technology


makes you expect that someone will come to save you because you for example have an apple watch that can track you that the GPS the GPS signals will be sent to whoever if you just click on SOS they will be able to find you because of modern technology because


you have it you know but that is a want you wanting an apple watch that is a modern technology you want a modern technology apple watch that's why you wear it but I'm telling you , that's why I'm telling you modern technology satisfies your wants but if it was a need if you backdate when you don't have uh apple watch or GPS


when you don't have an apple watch or GPS system with modern technology to track you down then your need would be to follow your instincts to find something sharp create a spear and hunt for food while someone out of nowhere comes to save you right


agree I agree that it's for the best of of us, but don't you think it's kind of contradicts to our our wants because we want to kill something easier it's a want right we want to kill things


correct correct so you can just uh snap off the head of a quail with your with your hands but why did they invent knife because it's a want to easier to easily easily chop off the head right so


they have, okay I understand


I feel that's quite out of topic actually , okay, so to summarise my point I will definitely think


uh that modern technology in this indeed satisfies uh our wants more than our needs, and the reason being because, because we want to make things easier in our life


which is a want right so, that's why it does indeed satisfy our wants, you know we we we can for example we we need to sleep but we can't sleep so we want to make it easier for us then we go and listen to those uh soothing musics and sounds right so that's a want


okay, today that you can produce and satisfy more


, , I have to object to the point where you say making money is secondary technology is profit driven so making money is primary


that's why they come up with more technology to reduce that right so it's a want they want to reduce the manufacturing cost they come up with the better uh technology or artificial intelligence or they they bring in uh uh experts to to lessen their burden


yeah yeah, yes


part one, (hmm), part one debate topic one


you're supposed to read with me lah, okay so to what extent has technology made our lives more fulfilling okay technology has made our life uh easier in in many aspects


from from humans you can see like uh from our daily lives we have we have, we are able to to do many things like with the shortest span of time like you can see like uh many many years ago when to travel from one country to another it might even take months and and and and and maybe even a year by ship and all but now we can fly to the country within a few hours


at (hmm)


okay uh like what you said earlier uh your are you said that you mentioned that uh the people tend to become more isolated right, right ya so actually there are many many uses to technology it it it all depends on how you use it so technology like you can see these days you can learn a lot of things from the ipad


like like like children they like kids they they always use the ipad to to learn new stuff watch youtube videos and learn and and and now that the kids if you compared to the kids back then now the kids are more educated at a younger age


and I'll say this is due to the improve uh the improvement of technology also and, and I will like to bring you to uh another point that you can see that uh during the this current pandemic situation in the world like


businesses uh lives jobs all have come to a standstill especially during the circuit breaker period it has been affected very badly but because of technology we are still able to work and communicate with our loved ones so it's it's really a blessing uh we can


you can skype each other zoom and and even use where bags like to communicate with with each other and and and also like during the pandemic you realised that uh, we won't be able to go down to the food court and like mingle around and eat eat with our friends so at at that point you realise that even if you want to socially interact with people who are not able to


because you cannot go out like just to meet up and and catch up with and have conversations so the only way we can do this is through our technology like what I mentioned skype zone where bags ya, and also when it comes to basic necessities like uh like our our our daily needs like let's say we need to get food grocery shopping and online shopping clothes shoes what what whatever we still can do it from home you can order it online and we can get food ya


right


uh yup actually you are right about the firstly you mentioned about the the the the kids are overusing technology like causing them to to to what you mentioned blood circulation and the curves by night


that, okay ya that's right but uh, as you see like most of technology now like within your phone you have a do-not-disturb mode, right and and and even on ipads we have the parental control mode so that so that it doesn't especially for kids because they are you are you are you are right they are easily swayed that means they are


very easy to get distracted while doing work or while learning so like for parents they can come up with a timetable for the children to, to allocate how much how many hours of learning on the ipad or using technology they can have per day and also they can use parental control which blocks of all the other apps and just focus on that educational materials


okay and you mention about the plagiarizing uh kids like students, tend to, to use the internet and googles to to to do, plagiarism right but uh I believe in most of the universities like before you submit the project work there's a plagiarism software so that software will help to scan through the document and make sure you have not plagiarised and they they do not allow you to submit a work which is plagiarised nah and


also you mentioned about the obesity right, uh so for the obesity I feel that, that and for the technology, uh basically if you are at


okay so like for obesity you are at home throughout the circuit breaker you got nowhere to go out it also leads to to obesity, obesity is something more individual you you you cannot say that it's because of technology uh obese person can even go out stay at home but his lifestyle is his or her lifestyle is totally different from my active person so like active person may be able to go out and do sports but however the obese person would just


go out and just sit down and snack and keep eating even if she's at home or she's away, okay, uh ya that's all


okay so you


yeah that's right, but however like the screen affecting the eyes right there are even more technologies that come up to overcome these problems whereby every samsung phone not sure about apple but I if I'm not wrong samsung phones all come with a blue light filter so that helps the emerging rays which affect your eyes


to curb it so there's that kind of filters and there's also, many things that technology has advanced and solve the problem which early technology has done it's something like software one comes but it has some problems but they come up with a new improvement and some bug fixers to fix the issue also


uh not only for humans I would like to also mention that how, how uh technology has helped in in animals also, because due to these advancement in technology for uh for animals you realise that the endangered animals wildlife animals are now even monitored and studied


to a huge extent to enhance their living condition and improve their nutrition and how these helps because it allows the animal to to live a longer life and there's also statistics that show that technology has


prevented a wide amount of animals which are supposed to be extinct but now they are still around which in other words you benefit us because we still can learn about these animals and see them instead of them being extinct


okay so, earlier you mentioned about the privacy and technology right so for for the, uh sorry privacy and security actually uh, police and CID and a lot of this government uh securities are


are using CCTV cameras to watch over people why why why do they need to watch over people it helps to solve crime and and some things which you may lie about but it's caught in the video that's why that's why when you see like uh when you see fights going on why what is the first thing that people take out


like like do they go in and intervene the fight or they take out a a mobile phone and start video recording it, they will definitely take out the video recording to video it because it all pools as the evidence to save the innocent ones so I think technology in the end it does more good than bad


because now you see people cannot lied about about things which they which they did do and and also about the online sexual scams too to prevent, children and students from entering the these these websites and


uh these these websites uh there there are a lot of antivirus and protection then malware protections built in within the laptop itself, so this would help to to reduce and filter out those websites which which which you should should not be assessing on okay and about the mental health right uh you're you're right that there is this the syndrome in USA that


says that the more use the phone it definitely is not good for you but why do you need to use your phone, that's that's because of, the question is uh technology has made our lives fulfilling so you need to use the phone to fulfill yourself and also to protect the mental health like I said technology normally as it advances there'll be fixers uh fixers to fix up the bugs which the problems it solve before that so


phones now come with uh the samsung health app daylight for iphone there's apple health ah ya so these these apps will encourage uh, and encourage the user to not to have a sedentary lifestyle like every five minutes your apple watch will beep and say uh wake up can you walk can you stand up can you move stuff like that and about sleeping


okay so about sleeping (hmm) they have like this type of music which helps you to cool down and tune in yourself before bed like uh they use sounds of water and sounds of nature so that helps you to cool down even after using your smartphones


yup so that's all


part two, debate topic two, okay so uh let me start okay should the advancement of artificial intelligence be a cause for concern


okay I , okay how artificial intelligence has benefited us is in many ways and I don't need to mention the number of ways because there's just too many like from drones also it it helps with like uh rescue and you can save save many lives


so so so maybe I would like to hear from you first like for the opposition


okay as uh your last point about the, about the employer not be uh not wanting to employ because of what the the ya social case for what he has done before but uh


do you think that uh employer okay so, uh employer should should be able to see your negative points when you apply for a job what's the first thing that that they ask you to fill up a form what what would that form have uh have you committed crimes before have you been declared bankrupt before why why do they ask all these questions it's all your negative points


but they need to know this before they hire you because if not you might commit the same crime in the in the job place job workplace itself so to prevent all these that's why they come up with this simple things so if the talking about social credit system it's quite good because you cannot lie about it


eh it is it a it's a black mark that follows you, and about the, uh yes you may


yup but uh this invasion of privacy right do you think is for the better or for the worse for the employer


okay so what are the cons


okay uh yup so


so that in this entire social credit system right why do you think was implemented in the first place I would say it was implemented mainly to encourage every citizen to behave well, for for the benefit of the country of the people of the family why why would you want your own kids to commit crimes


they no they should be afraid of something in order for them not to commit them right so there's a example in some countries where where you know people who are caught for molesting okay for for for molesting


if if you can facial recognise and track them you'll be very good because that will will know that they are being watched and prevent them from committing the crime again and also like for more serious offence, if you are going going if you are in the prison and stuff when you come out yes you will be be known for for what you did before that but however there is like tagging a probation period where they still after you are out from the prison they still require you to be at home during certain hours of the day


okay yeah, ya to allow uh to make sure that you are home during the day time because uh statistics has shown that during the night is when uh there are more crimes happening so to prevent this from happening they have this tagging system to to ensure that you are home


during the night period so you have a cut-off time of probably like seven PM you need to be at home after that, for for what you mentioned about the insurance companies right, uh how insurance companies works is they put in a investment in you you you put a a small investment in them but they invest more in you so if you are trying to hide what you already have


like let's say for example you you have a family history of cancer but you choose not to declare it and you and and you get the premium insurance plans so what happens if the company blindly insures you they are going to be at a huge loss they will lose a lot of money so they should be aware of the mistakes


that you have done like what the social credit system is doing and they should be given a choice if they want to accept you or not, yup so uh okay I have to agree with you that artificial intelligence makes people more increasingly dependent on it


however for for it is actually better to ease our lives and allow us to perform more important task because AI artificial intelligence, it takes over mainly okay that there may be another problem which most people think of the loss of jobs right so


uh if you look deeply, it actually, artificial intelligence actually, takes over all the recurring and repetitive jobs which is like uh, like in the in the factory the manufacturing part so


and and and why is it better that it takes over this kind of jobs than than we humans doing it because we humans doing it are bound to make a lot of mistakes, due to our emotions lack of concentration we can't be concentrating for six hours straight and give a hundred percent


focus and good work right so that's why we need the AI to take over and and help us to do all these repetitive jobs, and and they would and they would not be any loss of jobs for us, because we we will be given new jobs like how could COVID-nineteen has given us new jobs like working in the MOH for


uh safe ambassador and stuff like that so the same thing AI with AI we'll be given new jobs of managing how the AI works like managing them and you'll be given more manager roles instead of all the, the workers and the the lower labour jobs which can be done by AI so we can focus on more our time more on important things yeah


okay


okay uh like you mentioned about the loss of jobs right, earlier I said about how the artificial intelligence are improving and taking over the the repetitive jobs okay so for those people who like you say the Karang-Guni called in singapore


their jobs will be replaced but however if there's artificial intelligence to take over the system of delivering the newspaper and picking up newspaper they will be given new jobs new jobs will be created for them to manage this type of machines, and that doesn't take a lot of rocket science to learn how to manage the the this new artificial intelligence right so so there is not that there's a loss of jobs and there's no jobs for these people


for everyone there will be new jobs created and okay artificial intelligence would only replace most of the repetitive jobs okay, and like for most of the jobs which which requires complex decision making is still needs to be done by someone some human it cannot be done by this AI yet but in the near future would be able to


so okay


(hmm) they will be given a sorry, yeah okay, no I'm saying is creating new job opportunities for the layman jobs who have to deliver the newspaper the AI will help to deliver newspaper but they can be they they will still be there to manage the machine so they will be learning and they'll be improving their education and in the overall if you see


uh it will lead to better education in the system the literacy rate of the entire country will improve drastically, yup, okay and also it it it uh it benefits the safety K the current problem is some countries are facing is like drink driving how how do we curb that with this new advancements in AI there's self-driving cars


so do you think with self-driving cars the the amount of drink driving cases will reduce in the world making it a more safer environment for you and me to live in, yeah


okay but let me just wrap it up okay the important part ya so like you mentioned how like in the movies it's also it is only in the movies that the the robot changes and it and and it becomes a bad robot right but uh I would like you to understand that all this AI which comes every single AI


it comes with a algorithm okay so, if the AI performs the task wrongly there there must be humans who were able to stop the process intervene and also correct the mistake which the AI is doing so there there are like uh there are buttons which help you to refresh and a emergency stop button


so there's no way you could go wrong and that's why I say the advancement of artificial intelligence is important


part three debate topic three, okay you want to begin first


that's very subjective actually, so, food okay like what you mentioned grabfood foodpanda, deliveroo these are all delivering food food is an essential air food and water is essential for our lives so


I would not say it's a want I would say it's more of a need because you can't live without it and and not that people are lazy to go go down to the shops if everybody goes down to the shop what happens, the virus will just multiply and and spread and


at the end of the day is going to be a bigger problem to curb, okay so it's not that they are lazy it's just that, to make it safer people who are afraid to get infected would want to do that, secondly


okay I forgot my point you may continue


yup that's right lives will be affected, but, you don't want to kill your life right, so, okay so as these companies engage modern technology


okay they have much more benefits rather than uh, rather than they are losing business and they're closing down because more people are able to see their products online and they're even able to see on their free time so isn't it better there there will be bound to be people who are busy during the normal day shift because there are people working night shift they won't be able to go down to the shop during the operating hours


so this online platforms really have aided, have have aided them and their lives, the so, another example that I would like to raise is there is public transport right you can take the bus the MRT uh ya bus and MRT but


however if you invest a little bit money and take a grab or uber right, that is a need because when you reach there faster you get to spend more time it it you can spend more time on more important things rather than wasting time on travelling you get it so this is how technology modern technology has improve so much and why we need it okay


we need to spend more time in all the important stuff and those redundant things we can we can just put it aside


yup so, I believe your statement is very subjective because not everybody would spend their entire life online purchasing stuff, there are many people out there who just come online and get what they need, and this online platforms are so useful to you I'm pretty sure you also use them because why you you mentioned about wasting unnecessary money right


if you go down to one shop and it sells you the the product at five dollars and another shop in in two dollars however you go to the nearest shop is waste your five dollars which you could have spend two dollars right so with this online platforms it helps you to compare the prices just from your doors from from your comfort of your home


so that would essentially help you to save money, right


yeah that's right someone has to lose and someone has to gain that's how businesses work so, that depends okay let's let me just raised another concern to you


okay so now if you are in the forest okay you went for hiking then you get lost in the forest, or you or you get injured in the forest, due to this modern technology, it is able to send in drones deep into deeply forested areas just to retrieve you even if it doesn't retrieve you it will drop in uh medical aids and enough food for you to survive so this saves lives so would you say this is a want or is it a need


thank you so , yes so so there is many more like modern technology which which satisfies what you need which is essential not everything is a want


(mmhmm) ya


it saves lives right


nobody is dependent over a drone coming to save your life


okay uh I'm sorry if you need you are saying that uh people want to to people expect to get lost in the forest people go hiking to expect to get lost and get saved, I I I don't think people expect for things to go wrong they always go there with the right mindset to achieve something why do why why do people go and hike mount everest uh is to achieve to reach the top


okay and back to your point about, about cavemans right how the cavemen kill, do they use their bare hands, spear uh, yeah and don't you think that is part of technology which advance


which they created it's just a different form of technology, their creativity which leads to technology right so


, ya that's right okay firstly let's let's go back to the roots of how technology forms why do people need technology the first place, it is to make your life better to make it easier so, , the cavemen at first I believe they would have used their hands to kill a quail or kill a chicken


but why did they need to to create this spear is because there was a problem so when there's a problem you you have a solution to create better technology so that is how we have advanced technology has advanced so much that now we are into modern technology so it's only for the best of us and we really need it


no it's because we need to kill because we need air food and water is basic necessities


actually okay if you need to kill one chicken to feed one person if you need to feed the entire village don't you need technology to help you to kill more chickens at a


shorter time so that ya to feed a family so there is a need, is not a one [orh] I only want one chicken that's enough for my village no, okay I I would agree that technology is harmful to some extent like uh technology we use technology to deforestation yes so it kills the houses homes of animals birds nature living


so yeah those are some setbacks about deforestation but the government and a lot of, wildlife organisations have come up with with uh schemes where for every one tree you cut down, you you need to plant four trees that is uh one of the mottos by ikea from sweden


so for every tree which they cut for their furniture they need to replant four trees, ya so I'll say that is a need, thank you


no I have to disagree because those apps they come because of technology the problem that it gives, which using phone prevents you from having a good good eight hours of REM non-REM sleep so that's why they have come up with even better technology to curb that problem so it's because there's a need when you use the technology because you need the technology and then you cannot sleep so there is a need because you need to sleep


so because of that there's another technology which has been created to solve that need so we are only creating technology artificial intelligence for our needs, like if you talk about a factory right why why does it need to operate so quickly


is because, more people yeah, and making money is all secondary but it's because there's a need there's a demand so there's a supply if there's no demand there's no need dish there is no supply


how about the cost of manufacture


okay eating is wrapped up


okay uh so for me I will oppose so uh


basically in mean like because we are talking about worldwide but I'm uh I will be talking more on for singapore uh context whereby I feel yeah singaporean, currently uh are living in a fast paced like a, stressful society as you as you can imagine like we are all


are are living more for more to it uh attain lor, uh money rather than uh needing arts but however I feel we we do need arts to alleviate some of the pressure that uh there are in our daily lives right now so yeah so basically like


uh I feel like their arts are like are important for us, to bring them away from work or from school or from their normal, daily life routine so yeah so uh basically this is just uh I feel arts also uh is


will be pleasing to to oneself and then to appear to appeal to your senses and to make, yourself relax uh from all the stress uh that you are having right now oh I mean uh and your daily lives so yeah so I mean at in singapore context uh as you can see your turn we are more being going


to the arts uh, uh I guess uh arts subject arts uh stream, because yeah as you can see that the buildings that we have right now example the gardens by the bay or the esplanade, so ya so these are just uh some examples that uh we are trying to be be more involved in arts so yeah and uh I think as years goes by uh


uh from from some surveys that are from national uh from national arts council, so yeah more than uh, from what I've received from from the website two thirds of singaporeans believe that uh arts , up to express their thoughts feelings and ideas that enable them to be more creative and improve quality of life


so ya so with that uh with that step also uh, because I think uh there's another step whereby , uh whereby uh


the singapore cultural stats okay uh that that show a it it shows like there's a there's a new high of uh people coming into the museums and all so ya uh people are more appreciative with with art example with uh the performing arts and then


with your uh uh with the, interest groups and heading towards museums so yeah more and more people are heading towards uh to appreciate art to and I guess it's just uh a way again it's a way to for them to be distress from their lives so yes


uh uh other than that yeah I have yeah, yes yes


okay so ya you make valid points whereby mean there are lot of more ways rather than going for, arts, uh for our local people so yeah so but again uh, uh as I mentioned I feel like uh having this arts uh yes it's eh it's I guess it's uh how we can say it's like high high SES uh


kind of uh, interest uh for for locals, but at the same time I feel like uh with with uh, if this guide with with arts uh singaporeans would be proud of their own country whereby they they see other countries will be seeing us as though like we are a well developed country uh yeah I mean in that context whereby uh


the locals be proud of proud of themselves of proud of uh proud of themselves yeah basically so ya so, with that said uh yes it's it's there are many other ways as you mentioned but


this will inspire others like it's uh something like uh uh for our next generation whereby, they wouldn't see art at uh for the first time maybe like for I I mean for those who are lower income so that I mean they can't afford so schools are bringing them to this arts uh places to to open up their mind to towards arts and maybe they can


they can be eh our future artists uh in the next generation so they can will also for I mean in the future as well they can they can provide their own family with uh with arts if their ideas are great


so yeah so we shouldn't I mean it's it's not I feel it's just not a waste of time uh it's just one of the one one of the uh different interests I mean I, being singaporeans we we always like to go for our own uh normal routine like go to work go to go to uh go to eat go to sleep that kind of thing but uh I think this is just something different the the whereby


uh people can looked at so ya so that's why we are uh that's why more and more uh community outreach uh yeah for art, is being is being, uh explore for for singaporeans so yes so I


think uh another step whereby where whereby when I mentioned where community efforts are, being uh shown uh is from our PA I think uh you've seen uh, examples like the our nearest place uh our Tampines hub the new one so that's that's uh more and more community places are being open up for your our own public and again it's some of these places are free


so like our some of the courses are free for people to explore so basically uh, but it's not it's not always like uh it's not always uh for those uh high SES people as well so ya


uh


so okay for my final conclusion okay err again uh your points are, I mean I'm not saying is is false but its co totally correct whereby most of us are doing err most of us uh err err in the world are facing poverty as you mentioned


so yeah but the think is err again I still feel like there there's a place for art as well in there, err understand survival is key okay but at the same time err, I mean they uh for our population they still have to have some interest whereby I mean everyday life every life you I mean you can see I feel is a is a piece of artwork as well


uh it depends on how you look at it so yeah so, yeah err so yeah so so my conclusion still whereby arts is still not a waste of time for others for all sorry


there's still there's still there's still some yes there's still some there's still some uh I feel there's still some place for arts for everyone even though they are surviving or not so yeah


, yeah we I mean we don't we don't need to go to concerns and all or like ah or like or or not concert as it like uh shows those sign of things but then like err I mean like as I mentioned


uh everyday life I mean example just in a africa right you see like err animals eating I mean that to me I mean you can't see that I mean I'm I'm not sure I'm not I'm not sure for for art for for nature nature art yes


like I said as I has I mentioned it depends on how you look at it so yeah


no I I it's fine I think can we in


oh so yeah


okay ya, yeah I'm I'm not good at debates okay yeah


debate topic two


yes


uh from your points like I feel like you are uh yeah too too many points right there so yeah so, ya but then ah sorry so yeah so art is not meant to instruct or influence it yeah


so I feel like, art can be instructed to look to influence to everybody as well okay so I mean like uh


as a as a one can you re-summarise your points again sorry short yes yes yes


ah


, okay at the same time when you enjoy that I when I feel when you enjoy you are bringing people together and whereby that that you can influence others to enjoy as well, I mean that is how that's one way to influence others to uh to start having uh that interest that's how what that's what I feel one of them so yeah so


uh I mean other than that uh, other than bring influence I mean uh in arts, uh, mean it can connect you with with people as well like that you never met before like somehow like example yeah some someone in singapore like did some artwork and then


published it in uh online or something like that , so it can uh influence others to join in and then to I mean, being in recognition uh of that person and then uh that can spur I mean engagement and then at the same time uh later on maybe action uh that person maybe uh can


go uh, can bring that person to that that country maybe in uh in europe or in somewhere in australia or something like that so yeah so that that creates opportunity, this as well so yeah so I mean


uh , so ya that's the that's be distracting so ya so , , yeah , ya no it's okay okay so ya that's


that's how I would rebut from you from being not only being to uh to enjoy ya it can influence others uh in other ways like example like uh, uh, mean just yeah bring I uh mean like from from young eh uh you are not exposed I mean like as you can see right now uh


in schools even in childcares they are introducing art to young kids whereby at our at our times I don't think we we started art till like be before or something like that or some yeah we don't start that that early yeah so uh we are trying


uh I mean like yes at the same time with uh they are trying to enjoy and maybe just will influence some of these kids uh, to like or to have an interest or to even uh being an artist when they are starting their work I mean the future later on


yes yes thank you


okay so to add on I mean like okay I'm I'm not too sure whether my point will be uh a substantial enough this time round so yeah so basically uh as mentioned like uh art


artist artist needs uh like a uh as mentioned artist needs uh fans or spectators for them to enjoy but at the same, time uh just now you give me some, some tips whereby for I mean it can be like uh


politicians who also need people okay I I I feel I feel this, part of an art whereby they do need I mean is a different kind of art ya I mean they do need, fans or they do need uh people for them to get be be influence or be uh get instructed from them so yeah so


I mean without, without how they converse uh towards people I mean they wouldn't we wouldn't be influenced by, ah that person I feel ya


so like you mentioned like artists being uh uh artists being like uh, your normal taylor swift your beyonce's or whoever so yeah so I guess these young girls or these fans are influenced by them so whatever they do they try to uh


they try to follow or copy whatever that the that the artists are doing, so I mean like I mean there are there are some bad habits there are some good habits so it so it totally depends on how you look at it but I I feel like they are being influenced by them as well so even uh I mean rather than just your normal song artist even like uh


your I mean playing uh playing sports uh your your normal your normal players, uh I feel like some of them would look look at it as it's an art also so they will want to uh influence they want they wouldn't want they would want to get influenced by them I mean like they want to follow whatever that they are doing


ya so, mean like yes it's an enjoyment but at the same time they try to they are influenced by them uh is an art I mean art is being I mean, uh yeah I mean they are


being enjoy and then ya being influenced, so my conclusion basically is like art is also meant to be influence and also they meant to be enjoyed


both yeah it is is cannot I mean like yes art I mean uh people will still enjoy art I'm I'm not saying they don't enjoy at all but the same time because uh they will still be influence or being or being instructed


with art yes it's not only enjoy it yeah, yes correct


but because


yeah I understand that but because people would want to be like them so I feel like they are also like being influences also so being uh people will be influenced by them


by this artist or by this soccer players by this uh basketball players whoever that they are people what would will want would want to be like them, yes so that's a form yeah


yes whereby yeah, no whereby uh you mentioned mean like I feel like if political art uh you'd I mean again, like it similar to like your normal play and your normal uh sports athletes whereby they need fans or they need supporters so it's the same thing as politicians whereby yeah they do need the supporters so that to be instructed on what to do or to be influence yeah


yeah


debate topic three


okay thank you for all those three points uh Shah so uh uh I mean uh I'm not saying those three are wrong but then ya so, from


from my opinion, uh I don't think both side, did because uh I feel like mean like , in schools you are still using books uh you still using hard copies, uh and and I feel like the this uh this books will promote more to like sharing rather than being individuals take like example you just mentioned uh uh having ebooks okay so uh I mean


to just uh having a a small debate between uh uh hard copy books and ebooks I feel like the physical books are more for promote sharing, whereby you can find and then you can find it on the shelf and then you can and at any time any point of time you can uh read it uh at your at your own disposal or you can even borrow it to your friends as whereby that's that's where you will have any


social uh social, uh play within the two of you or whoever that whoever by the number of you have in uh who wants to read that book basically so ya so basically, uh for ebooks is more mainly that will be installed in


your uh device whereby I don't think you gonna borrow your device to your friends or to your ya so that's one, so uh another thing as you mentioned uh it's a form of uh enjoyment uh basically I feel books in it's it's another way to enjoy as well though is not visually but you feel I feel you will feel more


in in reading a book ya uh because, cause like example like some context that whereby you are whereby you are making a film uh and then when you are reading a book uh I think I I I think you might you know that uh some some fans who are those readers uh harry potter your lord of the rings


they might miss out on some uh some info inside the book and it's not been shown in the movies and and I feel like, those might be some important parts in that movie, so yeah


so yeah that's another point and whereby having books I feel, it's a it's a , it's a form of a gift to people as well whereby uh


I mean like yes you people will enjoy going to movies and those those kind of things whereby having books is more personal that's what I feel, like whoever that you are giving the gift to or you want to example you want to your are liking that person yes movies are an easy way form but I feel books uh it is a more personal touch to that person


ya so yes


touch touch your heart whether you think books are really did and its


so, ya so to counter that example like uh yeah as you mentioned like yeah there's uh there's one way, mean like treating your wife or your loved one to a movie with uh save time rather than buying a book but like I mentioned it's more yeah to to save time yes I mean like to reminisce who whoever dates that you were you had


previously yes but the thing is I was meant matching more on uh being it meaningful being it like uh having a personal touch, ya being having uh I mean like attendance you can see I mean you just but you buy a book and then you can see you place it on the shelf oh that's after reading it as uh obviously after reading it and then you oh mean like uh that's a loved one who bought for me


for example so it will still have uh some memories whereby uh a movie like uh I I don't know charlie's angels or whatsoever you just bring that person in and then totally I think in a few years' time you totally forget that oh I who that I watch that, movie with I mean that's what I feel ah yes ya that's that's why


, so ya so, , , uh, I'll think about it later on after the debate if it's possible I will just, no lah I have uh I have a lot of things in my mind right now so uh with this with this as well so ya


so, and then with books uh I mean like uh, yes it can mean like it's just it's it's a bit, slower but at at the same time you will improve example with being my being uh with my kid I read to him books ya for him to it's I mean like it's a it's another way for uh to


is another way to gain knowledge rather than to just watch something on the on the telly that's what I feel like uh it's more uh you are you will have a closer touch with your loved ones you are reading together, that's one thing then secondly it's uh


it's it, totally I mean like you are just not watching from a black box basically ya whereby you can be enticing and then you'll be asking for more which is not a good thing, at at a young age uh eh so ya


so yes , ya uh that's the thing I I uh as as in, I think there there are some research research whereby uh it's not good to you have young kids being on the telly so often


ya so that's why there's uh number of hours that uh is best for the kid got this is this is just another debate this is totally another topic, , so yeah so yeah being I mean like ya that's why reading books to


young kids especially being uh like at the ten ten age from one to three I I I I mean before you are before you are the kid is unborn uh born as well uh usually there are some others who read to them yeah, uh


no because the movie the the tummy can't watch so the the beast can hear that he was, inside the tummy yeah so that's one way that's I mean like that's why I feel like books are not books are not supposed to be did yeah


ya as I mentioned touch your heart and yeah really said that, books are related so as you mentioned earlier uh yeah in terms of uh economy wise or financial wise


I mean like uh ah yes I agree with you that films would, uh have a more, have a more uh, substantial yeah impact to I mean have eh have more revenue lah basically have more money so yeah but the thing is you need to have you need essentially you need to have books you need to have like scripts or books to convert


this uh stories into films so yes so, without that then ya there with there won't be any films also, so there won't be any money, yes yes so uh


yes, very correct what


ya ya but the thing is is about the topic with books are did feel that way before so that means you are trying to say , just so you are trying to say still books are cannot cannot be did so there's still comic books so ya


, debate topic one


alright , for the majority of people the arts are waste of time, how true is this in society, so proposition that would be me, , so for me I yes I do agree that it is really eh a waste of time uh because of many many factors one of which is that you know for the common folk you know uh the ordinary folk which are


the uh the impoverished those in those who are living in in poverty or with inadequate, means arts is something that is not an nest necessity in their lives, because looking at the maslow's hierarchy of needs you know uh food and shelter obviously outweighs more than art


art is something that I guess the wealthy field the the uh the wealthy field who are privileged field who has all the other hierarchy needs been has been been met, then to be able to really appreciate and understand uh art in its form


so for example you know the poor society right they they lack this fundamental abilities to really uh comprehend , and appreciate the arts and they they can't really connected with the artist as well uh because one like I said they don't have the basic necessities and needs as well that's truly been


uh address so art is really not a priority for them and of course because of uh the way uh they've been brought up you know in in uh in poverty inadequate mean so education is lacking, and for one to really understand and appreciate art they needs to have a certain level


of education, so with education been lacking, uh, for this for this majority then known that this really no connect or or disconnect for the arts to be appreciated in its in its form


and this is actually true in uh many developing nations where where many people are still stuck in the the cycle of of poverty so with that I I I do believe, I think it really is a waste of time well well their priorities will be really too


uh we don't get enough food and drink on table having shelter uh having just taking care of themselves their children you know just just survival is is what they're looking for, okay I guess as I still continue right so that basically in another thing as well is that art in itself has many forms right so because arts is such a generic a broad topic


you know even things like the the most extract piece of art I would say like maybe paintings abstract paintings or performing arts, is something again that won't be deciphered they won't be appreciated in uh in in this uh in in those impoverish view


because they they need to decipher it they need to understand it before they can appreciate it and then you know uh fully understand it the other aspect as well is that sometimes the arts may seem bizarre it's maybe strange for them because it's very unconventional, and it really and invokes radical points of view of people where they need to have a similar understanding or thinking to see where the artist is coming from when he or she is trying to perform that particular art piece


again the common people in this impoverished developing nations cannot understand , and the last point I'm trying to say is that uh arts some arts can be shocking in nature right so for example like this this , popular shocked artist his name is #damien hirst# so about his installations is about using live or dead bodies of animals in the artworks right so in pick in


and display pieces and you can just see the the carcass of an animal you know looking at you as it was alive but you know that is uh a dead animal you know a carcass right there so is that to shock the person to invoke feelings and emotion responses to really understand the art form


impoverished field can't even enter this museum because they can't afford it, let alone know what a museum is, so again that is restrictions to re-appreciating art which I feel it is a waste of time, so I'm done for my first part


(ppc)


okay okay alright thanks thanks ah deal thank you for bringing up the point that you like to have it in the local context will appreciate that so my point was for more a general global uh purview but let's since you broke down to to localised setting so I'll do the same as well


so yes I do appreciate acknowledged that nowadays not me being singaporean as well you know that I am I myself be from the art stream uh do appreciate and see value in in the arts and from my days in primary school in secondary school in JC and now as a, working uh adult you know I do see a lot of


changes uh in schools in academia uh even in our daily lives yeah the the emphasis on the arts has been growing right from the esplanade uh they having shows uh eh from MCCYS and all those so I do appreciate that but however I'd like to rebut on the steps that you gave


about two thirds of singaporeans saying that it is eh distress uh you know uh it it distress away from the daily lives, uh as you know singapore is ranked number one as the one most stressful city in the world the you and I we know we know that right


and we we and even though we're we're quite blessed to have you know shelter food uh you know safety uh stable government you know that but then again the daily grind of it is that we are still on the day today still trying to survive things are not getting cheaper


uh food oil prices are still increasing our housing is increasing you have a son you know uh my friend my family has helped my my no my my my my cousins and all they have kids as well and we are this is a cost to worry on the future right, what's the priority the priority is the next generation right what a dinner would have food on the table like like us would they have shelter would have enough as well


so the two thirds I like to rebut on that because I think is quite a small sample size I highly doubt that the government has you know taken the sample of every single singaporean or singapore, resident uh to get their thoughts and comments on the arts right so I will said that it's skewed to a point whereby for the person to be involved in that survey


he or she is already aware of the arts one sheet of form, so then again it sort of dilutes the legitimacy of uh the survey because those people I just mentioned in my previous point about still in a vicious cycle of poverty they wouldn't have access they wouldn't care about the arts you know of survey or what not they still living on uh you know


government grants you know in their really small apartments fitting their many children all barely enough to survive, so that's one and the other as well , that the the arts being a form escape I will I will say so but you know arts is not the only form escape you know you're looking for things to distress we will have so many things that we can do and all uh there's there's that's we are being being in a small country but we still eh a sports hub of sorts uh nature there's the Bukit-Timah reserves also reservoirs savvy of parks as well


families friends or you and I we play football as well uh sports so uh that is not arts per se so this this debates about arts so football you know walking park of nature's is health and leisure lifestyle which I think, is much more priority and easily accessible rather than the arts so if a government I mean resources are finite okay there is a X number you know obviously myself being selfish I would like


our government to invest if if unlikely to every single aspect but if you choose art should be, of low priority so therefore I still do feel it it is a waste of time


(ppc), , okay thanks thanks ah deal for the valid points and again I I would do acknowledged that all of us mention is true right like the government is being putting efforts


ah to the common uh generation uh common population in singapore increasingly as well , and make it really really accessible uh which means that it was really accessible from young age people be readily uh acceptable to the arts as well and I I do see your point


but now in conclusion for my final for my final point uh in this debate here is that uh because the debate topic is for the majority of the people the arts a waste of time uh we need to really go back and answered that question which is the majority of the people so I've answered it


I've I've not answered it I also tackled it from a global standpoint, which I still hold firm because you know in this day and age than use to be see the people that are being addressed and the people that are being acknowledged uh the wealthy field and there's you know uh six point six point eight billion people in this world


you know a more than half are in poverty so that's majority already hands down so to to them arts totally secondary , uh unimportant survival is number one now bring it down to uh local context the singapore context as well the topic is majority of the people here in singapore uh yes it's good to have is good to have that is is good to have I feel that the government is putting in efforts


uh to make it accept acceptable accessible and interesting for for for for everyone to enjoy , but looking at the general population uh you mentioned high SES which is true


but majority of the folks in singapore are unfortunate in the low SES uh portion again and then if you look into that statistic priorities will not be arts priorities uh uh we as same as those povertish povertish field uh povertish people in the global context


meaning their uh priorities would be shelter food survival as well so it's uh good to have I wouldn't I wouldn't I would not denied that but, uh priority was was to be other points as mentioned before so that is my point of stand


(ppc)


conclude Adil conclude me


embodied an half is it that's mean I have half to go okay so, choked, if I am living on the streets barely have enough food to eat with a baby in my hand I'll I couldn't care less what is the next Shakespeare play happening


time's up, debate topic two, so the topic for this debate now is art is not meant to instruct or influence it is only meant to be enjoyed do you agree with this viewpoint I am the proposition so I will propose that uh


yes I agree with this viewpoint that it is not meant to instruct or influence it's only meant to be enjoyed now the reason being is that you know if art is meant to influence or play the part of


an influencer then we are really threading on very tricky tricky ground , because art itself it should be uh neutral yeah it should not be , like this debate this is quite clear is an opposition and proposition but arts in its true form should be neutral you know it there is it has no bias it has no uh you know it has no particulars say it is what it is


Adil it is what it is it it it's all it's all depends, on the person experiencing the art how he or she chooses to receive it and then he or she will be able to enjoy it in its form let me give an example right on of a few reasons why I think art should be enjoyed as it is so my first point is that


I think art is a natural, uh human behavior, what I mean by that is that you know uh like when when when art is being created when we are creating art it is quite a primal behaviour for example children you know everywhere in the world they will instinctively make something right


you have a kid right whose like you know quite young you know yeah I'm sure in in in in his in his time right now he is in an exploratory stage right probably uh taking things out of the of the toys see the batteries, you know turning overs furniture maybe because that's how true and are you know because they are quite instinctive they just want to see how things are


and every culture is an eh is an art in itself so , we're very very lucky very very blessed to be in singapore with its so many kinds of culture language tradition uh that itself is an art right and then like for example like if you take the the malays for example right it is is a huge umbrella of a culture malay for example but


there are so many sub culture that in between like you have your Bugis you have your indonesian extracts like myself javanese you have boyanese you have sundanese and then you have your malay malays from malaysia that came in, then it's it's is so diverse, art art itself, and then in culture because besides race there is also language right


language plays a huge part of a culture which in itself is a form of art as well so it is fundamentally I think uh human behavior so to put very simply uh art is part of who we are


it's part of who we are so therefore we need art and we should appreciate art as in itself because it makes us human they it makes us like a complete human beings you know with with like as I said before with like tradition with culture language you know it makes us complete human beings


then on the note of language you know is communication you know art is like communication as well so , you know if if you look at uh for example the monalisa the painting very famous aloof and parry , it's it's a picture a painting of a woman right uh made famous because it's done by leonardo da vinci you know and made famous more famous because it's one of the most highly photograph painting


uh use in pop culture everywhere as well but does it necessary have any bearing on trying to be an influencer is it trying to instill in you certain like feelings or emotions that you should act for example is it trying to say like oh no like some patriotism


or anti government you know in itself the mona lisa is art is communication right is is a medium to express ideas and to share information, so it's not necessarily whereby you you learn how to you know uh how to express yourself but it's a way for you to share your thoughts and ideas and visions that might not be


uh, was would articulated anyway so art is to have a full range of expression not want to own influence as well okay now my third point, uh, and it's it's it's healing is a form of is form of uh nurturing is a form of recovery


because you know art you have I spoke I spoke about language culture I spoke about paintings and let's let's talk about you know music, in a lot of tribes, in uh in you know in southeast asia or even in in africa music is a ritual that it use for many many important events for childbirth for marriage funerals as well right these these uh events are so significant because


is is a it's it's is an extreme emotion right funeral sadness regret you know childbirth and marriage is happiness you know euphoria, and you know in in singapore can see lah your malay weddings or even like normal weddings as well like there's there's music you know uh people walking down the aisle you know of your first dance with your your your spouse


you know is this music is its form healing so it it creates an experience art can be relaxing can soothing and it may used to elevate and stimulate us in a way uh where engaged both the mind and body and it provide us to reflect internally and outwardly as well


so I believed in my healing my healing point is that if we need it as a place of reflection for us to engage ourselves for us to be healthy so the three points I believe art, shouldn't be used influence or any anyway as to enjoyed by itself is because it is natural human behavior


art is a form of communication to culture and language, and third art is a healing tool as well


, , is already three points I thought two points ,


can can sure sure no problem yeah so basically I said that art is only meant to be enjoyed because it is a natural human behavior is natural to us right uh second point I I said that it is a form of communication is is that the that instruct is it's just a way of life we communicate each other through language right uh


and then finally art is healing is like I I give example of music, so you just enjoy like as it as it is you know is not to is not there to like force you to think in a certain way no is for you to enjoy so that's that's my three points


, , sorry I try to put you off


you give an give example, (mmhmm), yeah (mmhmm)


yeah primary primary school isn't it ya


I see I think I I gonna I gonna help you out a bit lah so maybe the next I gonna I going going to rebut on this but in the in your rebuttal, think about how art can instruct influence so I think what they're looking at if you look at countries that has uh dictatorship let's talk about nazi germany talk about communism talk about china communism


art plays a very important role there so think about that and then you you rebut me after rebut you okay that's the help I'm gonna give you, so okay thanks a little for , the part on how it can be influential uh to the young ones as they grow up


and you know uh, have the experienced but sorry to say but your points of, uh, are are are not substantial enough I feel I I think that it's it's still the points I gave whereby you know is a form of communications is a form form of healing and its natural human behavior it really is there as pure enjoyment uh in it in its form


ah the other two points as well I could I could add on is that the, art in itself you know is eh a shared experience right so with with a commonality of, having eh a language languages religion tradition uh culture you know it it creates this shared experience with with uh as a collective activity so things like you know I I I have touched on weddings right I touched on funerals uh art forms uh like dance uh theatre


uh choir uh very prominent in uh in in in christian settings as well in gregorian settings in uh in europe and united kingdom they require group of artists and an audience as well because art in itself if there's a choir but there is no audience there was is the point


the point is only for the benefit of the choir the people singing they enjoyed it them self you know uh they they enjoyed the you know the the expressing their their vocal, in the talent with one another but for it to be truly enjoyable is uh uh a need for shared experience


with an audience which I then believe that, it's not there to instruct or influence is just there to be enjoyed so, art in its form when we took when we think of art we always think of traditional art right I I have mentioned dance choir but pop culture


your rock concerts you know your your pop concerts your taylor swift's, uh metallica black metal band uh rap uh rap rap gods like eminem and all that they are artists as well you know people use the word artists nowadays as a as a form of you know modern


uh uh modern talent but actually it's it's a role of it's art right so they them self will not be as you know as a as enjoyment uh as a form of entertainment or enjoyment if there is no audience, so because of the fact that they need audience they need recognition they need awareness they need


you know fans uh and uh a duration as a shared experience then to me is a form of entertainment it to be enjoyed another point because when when we talk about , place right or theater so what is what is the mod equivalent movies and films TV shows netflix that is a form of art as well in a way


and then you know when you watch your nowadays like that the the most recent one we we mentioned indian matchmaking you know that is really just a show or like a documentary on indian uh matchmaking in the modern era uh like either in like , uh indian heritage people living in the state so in india trying to find their partners uh but is on the netflix uh series


does it have influence or instruction no if I was an indian person watching it oh yeah I can relate to that maybe because I might an indian or I was arranged marriage but me being a neutral person watching it is form of form of entertainment


form of enjoyment so really doesn't matter so to your point uh is just there to be enjoyed right


okay but you you have said so sorry conclusion, no but it can't be enjoyed because only meant to be an oh so you say is a both


it meant to be enjoyed and uh, ,


alright okay okay but, the the point you mentioned like the sport athletes let's say you know like uh your cristiano ronaldo lionel messi they are an artist them self right they perform to the highest standard people people enjoy them but that's their main priority is to win games


and to you know and it could that the supreme athletes they want to win and then to winning comes sponsorships and all that I don't think their priority is to influence anybody, I think they they're they they they just go be on the stage of in front just because of


their their talent you know that was that's the my point lah


uh, , okay okay , then you then you mentioned about you briefly touched on the political art as well


go ahead go ahead


(mmhmm), yeah yeah well actually the for for those political art like nazi germany and hitler is is not I mean they have supporters but mainly they are brainwashed right so is is all about propaganda so it's it's about having an audience but the art is there to instill


to let them know that they are still like nazi germany is still number one superior over and yet the race any other religion or whatever so that is how they used art to influence in a bad way, so when we talk about influence I mean I I like I see your points lah of instruction and influence are positive way but it's also the bad way as well lah yeah we have three seconds left moderators are doing awesome job we can quiet again


debate topic three, okay final topic of the day books are dead films are the way to go do you agree I am the proposition and I agree I agree that books are dead and films are the way to go okay so why do I say that


books has been around uh for hundreds and hundreds of years they are the earliest form of communication right even , you can even say back to the form of hieroglyphics in egypt or going before that uh cave paintings by you know the Neanderthals uh back in the stone age as well where there's a form of of writing and somehow it evolve


into what we see now and books, uh and books has now gone online so it become ebooks or articles but still the form of reading and that's what people do reading, , I of words, uh it may into stories and became a form of of entertainment right entertainment or education doesn't matter but however I I believe that this medium of of having books is dead and films are the way to go


uh, what is what is the agenda of books versus films well if you talking about that then it's like I said you know entertainment and education influence instruction and all that as well so if you take the two main thing of education and entertainment more to entertainment right


uh books are pre static you know they are very two dimensional uh the words that you read they are there uh actually just based on your interpretation is based on your standing, and if a person doesn't have a strong understanding on the language that's been used in the books then the translation might be lost and then the person reading it might not be able to truly appreciate and understand what was the art the the author uh is trying to convey right so


I have three points here to share why films are films are, uh of of of higher you know uh uh uh you know uh , are much more well received than books (ppc) so ones that movies or films movies are more alluring they are


more visually appealing and it considered to be many as more enjoyable so come on let let this just be frank right most of us love movies those who are able to go I mean I'm not talk about the other you know uh impoverish field like those who have been to seen TV or watch watch watch watch movies uh enjoy right


so films are a part of popular culture you know they they function partly to distress, I mean someone has mentioned that you know movies just have the fight to even love so is more relaxing you can tell you you can you can see that the character the actor is mad sad or happy or drunk or whatever


but in books you only read words right and it wasn't you read again the adaptation might be different and sometimes it's it's more plausible to enjoy , the movie adaptation so I mean so many, uh we know uh print to print to film adaptations right you have your harry potter series you have your twilight series out of massive lot the rings nerd so you know that in self I never thought I able to see in my lifetime of GR tokens work been be produce on the big screen but there you have it is there so (ppc)


an intellectual book like lord of the rings right , uh people who have understood or you know uh learned it ah learner in the uh in the in the uh, literature form enjoy the movies once in a while so movies are not that bad so that's first point right so they are more appealing yeah


the same point is that movies they unite people socially you know books are very individualistic you read a book by yourself usually maybe sometimes you have a book club and you read with a few other people right reading aloud, but in a movie is so scalable of hundreds of people can be in the cinema in IMAX you can watch it (ppc) together


and it's like a group activity right and it is fun and the third point I think is that they are actually helpful for people who cannot read, can't read because maybe they are not educated can't read because maybe they are just unable to cause they are handicapped visually you know they are not visually so they they can't they can't read so


if with movies you know you besides the visual aspect you have the hearing aspects as well you have actors who who you know are sound air sound uh are narrated narrations as well to to to to for the visually impaired , so it really helps to open up the audience to enjoy the the book there's now big into film


so and also people with some mental like medical condition right like ADHD or uh dyslexia they can't read books because you know is too much of uh mental strain for them to enjoy so but by watching a movie , it it it helps them to understand appreciate so they can consume to content you know and it really helps to


uh for those demographic, so in summary the three points I think books are dead movies are the way to go is because one, it's a visually appealing more enjoyable two they are a social activity compared to books individually and number three is help'em up you know opportunities for people who can't read you know uh with handicapped or you know uh medical condition they can now enjoy as well


(ppc)


okay uh thanks Adil for the the point share uh I do agree with you uh on on on on onto a certain extent so of the point about the uh movie adaptation right on books like lord of the rings harry potter or even any other uh adaptation


you can say that it's not a one hundred percent pure you know word for word adaptation on on film because , uh movies generally only about two hours on average two to two three hours and there is no way you know a huge book you know like lord of the rings can be in or is able to be you know fully covered in in that


so I I do agree that me being a book book reader itself there are certain points where I feel that certain things are not captured and it's a shame as a fan but the pros, outweigh the cons meaning that the pros of you know a a person who is not be able to uh you know read in the first place due to lack of understanding lack of language uh a person who is having that you know medical condition as mentioned ADHD whoever who can't really have that uh mental


capacity to sit down and read the book, having movies at all really help them to at least it gives them a never knew right so I think that is of a massive pro for for that, yes is not one hundred percent word for word but at least it's it is an adaptation you know the main points are captured and it's entertaining the and also like certain things in the books like I I know for for for fed lord rings like there's a one part where


like when when I'm not sure if you remember in the hobbit when they went to visit smock the dragon that in itself is like a few chapters but was contents obviously in fifty minutes, so if you were to read the book right I I don't think you know has the patience to to know what's going on and gets confusing because there's like sing song this riddles happening in


is is so so so convoluted that is nicely adapted to the screen your point about it'd be a gift I do agree yes you know the a book you know if you were to go physically to buy it in a store maybe have a personal note on it give it as a gift to a loved one to a friend


very nice very personable and the person will able to read it on his or her time right , then I will counter that with saying that well if you want to give the person then I will give you IMAX GV gold class tickets for you to enjoy , because that itself is also personal touch and if you want to can bring your wife man yeah your your your wife doesn't have time to read a book or she's busy take care of your kid so treat her to a nice gold class GV IMAX lah you know there'll be there'll be there'll be not just to be awesome a gift is more personal as well and then he can get get the whole hands get to order popcorn


you know have uh you know nachos and all that so that is to me is a much more , uh holistic experience than just reading a book in a corner sadly myself, , then uh the point about you know how odd


you mentioned ebooks as well so ya I agree so mean the the hot topic say books are dead right and you brought in the point of ebooks where (ppc) nowadays people don't have that the time to read or because they're driving so they can just block in download it, play in the car or play in their you know the phone as they are jogging whatever so it's is a book that that's that's good because you can't watch a movie while you are driving right so is is dangerous I I do I do I do see that but


again you know person reading a book you know leave out through your book to you you know uh either you just get bored you know , uh it it it then if if you to get the full experience to get the full enjoyment then you download the netflix lah and chill so you have a burst experience as well with the wife or the boy or girlfriend boyfriend whoever


so books are dead films are way to go no arguments don't waste time please just take it and go


, yeah who I don't know so many girls right ya I can't can't can't I can't keep track


(ppc), on that note Adil who do you remember the last book you given as a gift, , so, you can't even say it so it means that you don't remember so your point is invalid


, , (ppc)


(mmhmm)


alright, but it's so many educational shows on netflix now as well the thomas the tank engine right


, but I think it relevant though


(mmhmm), they don't watch movies and then like the movie baby watched from the from the from the tummy, nah


okay, so in regard if that's the case then I mean in final point lah in in conclusion uh your points are all I'd I acknowledge them I I I do think they are valid but in terms of revenue now the business right talk about financials


movies are a multi billion dollar industry, because from movies you know yes they came from books most of them right adaptations from theater from uh scripts from uh novels or whatever even from comic books now right your you have your MCU and all that they they came from print


but they now they moving onto the big screen, you know because of that that, the change it has created a multi multi billion dollar industry and that in itself is the reason why I still I believe right because of there are


massive financial opportunity for job creation uh you know uh industry for economy as well uh you know uh an advancements in in technology because of the see indulge you have uh, CGI you have very modern sophisticated like apps and


technologies to to to to to to bring to life the author's ideas I think book will still be relevant but would but it's will but it won't, be as as important as as films so uh my my stand is that their their might's will be as be dead and films are the way to go that's my conclusion


impact lah, , (mmhmm)


yeah, that is true that's true, last minute of debate


so, I yeah I I think it's yeah I mean it's quite ironic right chicken chicken egg lah chicken egg Punya uh chicken egg sorry chicken egg, some what we called it the the philosophy right one can't one can't be without the other so to have films we need to have a form of a book before you can proceed


, yes but there also the other way whereby , a movie adaptation came first and then it became a book so for example the star wars franchise last three seconds lah, star wars franchise started is a movies right it started from movies first but somehow in there it grew to the star wars expanded universe and then it became a toy line it became book books line and the comic book line so there is also some success stories where use the other way round so you cannot say books have to be the primary films can be the primary as well


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education should only be concerned with what is useful in life


discuss, I feel that education should only be concerned with what is useful in life so that at least for this we can focus on what is required under our education system and we do not need to


err study for those unnecessary curriculums which are not useful in life for the future


err yeah I waiting for him to counter me , , (ppc), ,


really, so want to start again, okay I feel, okay I'll start again okay so education should


only be concerned with what is useful in life I feel this way because this would mean that we don't need we do not need to err study unnecessary curriculum which will take up more of our time in our education life journey


right now average err primary school student studying six years and for secondary school students studying four years on average and it takes up to a probably about twenty four years old before a child can actually reached err


their degree level so maybe if we can just focus on what is useful in life and only study for education the total study journey could actually be shortened by a couple of years


rather than what is, the onset now for the children of singapore


okay like for example for asian parents they're always very concerned with education so they have err scared to lose attitude as compared with western parents they are so fixated on education that sometimes we are also called tiger mums


so I would think that what is considered useful in life like more on a pragmatic view making money having good relationships, err which would actually focus more on this and just do what is necessary for the education system


but that would mean that it will take a longer learning journey and probably more years of studying for the for the generation is probably like one quarter or one third of their lifetime and they cannot contribute to society at a young


so actually education should be more on equipping students with the right skills and knowledge for the jobs so being focus on like what is useful in life the students can actually bring these to the society


and economy at the younger age and not just study and study and study because like post grad and then they go for doctorate, that will probably take up thirty years of their life already and by the time they contribute to society


they only have an average of forty more years to contribute so that would mean like, about half of their life studying and then half of their life contributing


, just say ah I also anyhow Hantam , you know, I don't necessarily agree with this also it's just, subjective never mind just say they just want to hear our voice


yeah , ,


so you see actually information gets outdated very quickly so no point they keep studying for so many years of their life


and then in the end it becomes outdated and the next generation will be studying the newer stuff so it's kind of wasting time if you know we do not just focus on what is useful in life


moral education will fall under social studies and character development, so actually in terms of weekly curriculum the teachers probably just put one or two lessons on the average weekly schedule so you can see from there it is important but is not really a highly prioritised subject to study


actually education should always broaden itself by instilling skills and values to students so, even if they study too much whatever they study could be outdated when they joined the workforce for history alone I would say it's more like an an enriching topic so that the the children were actually err learn about their rich heritage the culture


for the country that they were born in and what happened since the world war two it's more like an enrichment kind of topic for their children, and I would think that it is not necessary to dwell too much on history topic because


it will probably not be very useful in life


that would probably apply more to building and construction, if you want to mention about how the structures and buildings or like monuments were being built in the past


so currently with all the building technology civil engineering that will be probably less of a concern because they're under civil engineering they are developing new ways to


built higher buildings with uh more economic uh efficient cost of materials and probably build it in a more compact space rather than using like a big big plot of land in the past


, or or or should we swap I be the opposition, okay okay,


but because her client want this topic ah no choice ah,


yes but then whether or not what is drumming or you know like piano is it useful in life or not


because for for these are more like under the musical, aspect which I would think in singapore there's no future for this, area ya because


even if you are such a good musician but what can you do you don't have like the concert theatre in italy where you can just perform and collect the revenue as part of your income in singapore for musicians I don't see much of an income


earning so to me music is probably not useful in life as an education


I would think that for singapore err children they would probably benefit more like with they err learn about good relationships and the need for spiritual development, you know but of course this cannot be taught through like the formal setting you know is probably under like character development or like social studies class


and I would also think that you know having teamwork and more collaborative projects, can actually help the students to build on their interpersonal skills so that they will know how to handle teamwork and not be self opinionated and you know always


being stubborn on their own opinions and they can actually listen as a team and work it out as a team and brainstorm as a team


like for example there's a recent movie called radioactive so is about maria curie who develop the radioactive material


that is used in the nuclear warheads in modern times so it is also two sides of a coin what she has actually developed or founded, does it really bring benefit to us in the current world


some people would say that yes it does because you know it actually help in building, nuclear plants where they can generate uh more power with with uh lesser uh resource materials but then again on the other hand it also


resulted in like world war two you know where they dropped a bomb on hiroshima that was actually made from the material that she actually develop


this one is err based on real life event ,


, yeah, yeah, I've been watching movies this this few weeks,


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conformity should, debate topic two


I will think that conformity should not be the main aim of schools, even though conformity has a part to play in school, but making it the main aim may undermine the efforts to develop a child holistically, and fulfil his potential there are also other social repercussions


that will result from making conformity the main aim of schools


because conformity brings order that is needed for learning so it may be a very rigid type of model and not


being flexible like how the kids in the united states they are actually having a very flexible form of education so like from young they can decide what they want to be in the future, so for example if they want to be an astronaut


or a doctor that doesn't mean that they have to study to the highest level of like be the top ten per cent in their cohort where, whereas, in singapore if you want to be a doctor you have to be at least the top five percent if not it there's no way you can even go to the private field or a specialized area


so I would think that conformity is actually limiting how much a child can actually learn or want to be in life, in the US they actually, do not put


a lot of income priority on like niche occupations such as being a doctor or being an astronaut in fact to be honest, an astronaut is earning about sixty to eighty thousand u s dollars a year this is something that I would think a average banker in singapore will be earning as well


so from there you can see that (ppc), conformity should not be the main aim they should actually let the child choose what they want, you know instead of like putting a higher price on a specific


, position in life or a or or or a specific (ppc) role or occupation just so that, it is more like a premium or highly err prioritise type of job that that the society can actually allow the the the children to go in (ppc)


conformity actually


conformity will facilitate like the set of values that the children can live by when they grow up, more on the character development and like for the social skills involved but I would think that it actually focusing too much on conformity right will actually negatively affect the curriculum and the methodologies


so like like what I mentioned earlier they cannot, accommodate different talents or learning styles or learning abilities


so, despite the merits of conformity it should not be the main aim of school because the school system could turn into like a communist practice or like a factory where the workers


are just producing for the economy or like the nation is just working for the government or rather the, the the dictator the communism dictator and giving him all of their earnings and just get getting a fraction of what they are actually working for so it does not necessarily accomplish the true intent of education which is more to fulfilling human potential


I would think that uh for conformity is really like it will actually squash ideas it actually like uh squash debate, and moral courage of all who are needed for modern world which err requires more on being more pragmatic and more flexible more flexibility and


I would think that conformity actually, , it can be encouraged positively in the safe confines of a classroom but not really on like the main aim of schools


longer term


okay if you want to talk about dressing look at the students in the united states they, all go to school wearing what they want to wear on a daily basis they don't have like a fixed conformity kind of uniform


they like to wear skirt they wear skirt they like to wear pants they wear pants, this is also what you will see in singapore for polytechnics there is no fixated attire to wear for school and students can just come


dressed in what they want of course not scantily not revealing but in proper clothes attired clothes , err outfit and they can also wear the shoes that they like some wear slippers to class for lectures


but probably when they go for laboratory sessions they need to be covered uh for the toes in proper footwear this is also for safety purposes


conformity actually curb thought processes and they result in like young people not being adaptable enough to change in the real world so the now the real world is all about changing every day every day is


changing and technologies are changing every day from a three g became became a four g now a five g so everything is changing and changing and if we are so fixated in being conformed, there is no flexibility for us to actually reach out to the new age world


and to learn like a new set of skills that will help us to thrive in the future


do they expect to only apply to certain set of skills I don't think so because they should operate with the mentality that they should be open to learning new skills, school should actually practice flexibility more of narrow instead of narrowing the prospects that students have


another reason why conformity should not be the main aim of schools so that, because conformity perverts meritocracy and that the assessment models that recognises test scores above other abilities


is what is going to be in the modern world so being conform there will be many areas in which this test test scores will not be working well for conform students


so like rewarding a good, learners and good test takers are actually better uh, then those passionate and creative critical thinkers because we should actually adapt to the ever changing world the fast changing world


and not be stuck in the laid back era where everything must be of a certain kind being rigid, no flexibility and no way of


, there should be just enough rules to make schools a safe place for a child to flourish it is actually the flourishing of the individual and not conformity that should be the main aim of schools


conformity actually cripples the creativity and you know prevent one from shaping their own sense of identity


it's actually similar to having like communism practice where everyone is, so limited to what they actually want to try and live for and imagine if you are like a top doctor in north korea you


you play a very important role to save patients lives especially like when your leader is sick and you are trying to save him but in the end what do you get you get miserly scraps as your income every month just to, go go by day by day and not even profiting for your own benefit for your family


debate topic three, consider the view most people these days could and should be educated from home


I will think that people these days they actually could be educated from home is more like a home base learning as you can, see during COVID nineteen period since march there has been many home base learning from singapore all throughout all of singapore schools even up to


university level the teachers actually they are able to design and cater to online learning by, preparing for onlines work under the SLS module or like uh MC online modules so that the children can actually learn from home


they actually also have like daily google meet sessions, with the teachers so that they they can actually attend like thirty minutes lectures from the school teacher on the new topics that they're supposed to learn


but you know like there are certain reasons why sometimes


we cannot actually have what we want so like in this COVID era it is also not something that can be of choice, so because of the pandemic that's going on the government deem that it is actually safer to study from home


granted that younger kids they cannot sit still they have problem focusing that's when the government actually ask parents to step in to help so that's why for parents, we are also working from home at the same time of course is not easy we need to juggle with helping our children log on to their online modules


ensuring that they they stay focused during the, one hour or thirty minute session for younger kids they have to parents also can help to ensure that the children are attentive and focus to what the teacher is teaching so by doing this


it's not easy for working parents but at least it curbs and limits the chances of getting, the, infection if they were to commute to school every day


I understand where you are coming from for parents who are working is not easy to manage small kids working and


while working and small kids studying from home that's why is very important for both parents to actually sort out each of their schedules to put aside certain time to help their younger kids, to be more


able uh to log on, for the online learning and being be seated next to them while they are actually doing the online learning so usually either parent will be on the laptop doing their work next to the child who is doing the online learning this is actually


a better option because like in current situation you wouldn't want to go to school and risk getting the infection which actually is airborne and spreads very fast so if, if your child is actually near an infected person the risk of getting COVID nineteen is very high and the rate of spreading is very fast so it may result in the whole class being sick just by going to school


I agree, carry on please, I agree that for certain topics it will be very difficult to execute from home not just about lab work I would think even for extra activities like uh extra curriculum like music classes or badminton classes or like table tennis classes


how are you going to actually learn from home right when you don't have the physical equipment you don't have the physical, err, court to actually execute this activity just like my children they are not able to to have their percussion CCA because they don't have the drum set they don't have the


marine bar they don't have the xylophone at home so all these are definitely hindering education from home but so far the schools have been trying to, curb the adaptability of these classes by doing online sessions so what the music teacher is actually doing with them on a weekly basis now is doing google meet for two hours every week once and then they will be using the drumsticks


and drum pads at home you know if you don't have a drum pad you use a reskety you know you can use uh, rubber pad you know to actually learn how to play the the drums uh seeing the scores learning online so the school is also adapting to to to the current


way of learning for such challenging activities


the time taken to commute to school every day


some they actually don't stay near one kilometre or two kilometre radius they actually need about forty five minutes to probably an hour just to commute to school this will actually be very time consuming so it act it actually is not very


ah, I would say it's quite disruptive for the child because they have to wake up much earlier like five AM just to get ready for school because they live far away and you know children being children they actually need to have enough rest


uh every night so if they have little hours of sleep is not going to be helpful for their mental health and state of mind when they are actually learning even if they manage to get to class every day on time, they will probably be very sleepy yawning hard to pay attention


so I would think that having this flexibility of uh learning from home being educated from home is actually much more conducive for the current uh situation and also for the children uh


in uh it across the whole education sector, be it like uh K K two student or university student