things that they want to do to make sure that all the products before they launch, it has to meet certain safety regulations of probably uh regulation compliance and all that, before it was being launched and also during that point of time there's no there's no airlines wanted to ship Samsung phones


partially because of that but having said that uh it's , it gave them a very uh big wake up call uh so I think it's also partial uh partially good for the company in a sense whereby they they need to


be staying alert, uh not to do cheap products not to do supply cheap components to make sure that the phones are in really really, designed in a very orderly manner is safe in every particular angles or or to that


I think that's also giving them a boost internally and also externally to their customers consumers like us , that eventually Samsung would be doing much better on after that particular incident happened, so I still feel that bad publicity bad publicity still works


uh but of course to certain extent like yes but Samsung is one of a good example that they really handled it very well


ya but coming to to the to the last point actually


it was because of certain lawsuit happening to their particular product, design and that makes them stands out as the only brand that able to do such a technologies in the world and that gives them the age of


of sort of , handle , new innovation ideas and all the products that they're gonna launch I think they also telling the world that nobody stands near them I think that's a that's a very good move from them


they handled it uh in a way that as to the other victim but actually they are not they are the one it's I I was personally thinking they could be the one who started all this thing , they sort of having some of their extra going to accompany creating the similar product so I think


it does give them a ready a talking point about how they handle all these things and also giving confidence back to the consumer, it can


(mmhmm), part two debate topic two, yes sure uh, yeah sure Yi-Shu you gotta see the timer Yi-Shu


okay, ya you go first I seventeen seventeen I need to do some uh points


okay uh I will start so uh where she, sort of debating the argument about to the main purpose of the television is to educate rather than just simply to entertain so I think , for the it's a perceptions I think for the longest time TV has been uh a source of both education and entertainment to most people


but I think right now it's sort of leading towards entertainment , felt the main purpose of television still supposed to be education educational, because I felt most of people right now who's watching TVs are are not


uh not mainly the adults mainly that the kids uh are probably the teenagers or probably the adolescence, so I think it's very important to have, uh certain values, ya or probably knowledge to those that is


watching those televisions especially those those those people , and simply not just having the entertainment the entertainment as essence inside, so


but of course personally I felt some of the tea uh some of the, , purpose of all this uh televisions to educate example if if it's national geographic I would probably be able to learn more about how animals


behave or probably or what is the nature like, what is the the prey is doing on on the on they are uh targeted uh, animals or it's just all these things you will not able to uh know it uh


on a live scene or of course you you can unless you are steve irwin and things like that but rather than that other than that I think I don't think that you have the chance, to to experience all that thing but that the only medium that we can have that it's only through TV,


and then there's partially why I say that it's also give a very good insight probably knowledge to to people like me who does not understand, about nature uh how does it work how does the the world ecology works and all that so it's giving a lot of informations to to myself on on how to


handle all this new information, besides that I think it's also a very good source of , , information , for example some of the news and all that uh reporting certain for example current pandemic


situations whereby we probably would be very, much well updated to the late latest information, knowing uh what's going on (ppc), so that as (ppc) that's much more important because I think


TV has a sort of a a very unique role whereby most of the families would would gather around it, so I think information while receiving display on the TV has to be acceptable in all ages plus it's also beneficial to


different , different target audience so having said that that's why I felt that , TV has a should be more educational than just simply entertainment


okay, uh I I I personally feel that actually , cause people have so much source of


entertainment right now not just on TV and I think, to regain back what a TV function or what the purpose is I think uh should go back to the fundamental whereby, who are the targeted audience that usually would watch TV I would probably say hands down exactly the kids but would would we want to


if let's say the shows are not, are probably the yeah shows are not very educational, , they would probably determine the the sort of , development of the children during this providing entertainment


because , I felt like they have been spending a lot of times on in front of TVs , it does give such , provisions of knowledge for the kids uh be it uh cognitive skills are probably basic skills or learning the calculations or multiplication and all that uh probably


the colours it it it does, it I I do agree at certain point it does give entertainment I am I do believe that if is just purely very dead, education kind of shows I don't think kids would be also love it but there is a certain essence of entertainment inside the shows but having said that


if if we were to argue here what would be the main purpose I think uh why would those producer show producer would do in part certain, , colourful images and all that into that particular shows was purely to just educate those kids


so having said that the main purpose is still to educate uh people I mean through the TVs and (ppc), there's so much things that , that, as in the TV could do be I mean besides the kids are of course


I also wish that national geographic will not be will not be called of uh in the near future uh because I think less less are people watching all that, I think people are very lacking of all that thinking of learning all that thing uh besides that also uh TV could be a very good source of


(ppc) education telling us places or probably new places that we since right now COVID we probably couldn't travel anywhere so I think it's also too probably educate us uh, what are others people's or probably country's culture


(ppc) learning about their culture, uh knowing what exactly they're doing so it's also giving us some source of information, I think basically education just giving uh us a provision of knowledge and also probably giving a source of information to those people's actually watching it


so I think uh by learning all this new places or cultures could also set us more, , I think information when COVID is over and we are able to travel and then uh that would probably give us more


uh I would say research or probably uh preparations, (ppc) by not stepping or probably crossing somebody's uh countries uh, cultures or probably , their


their rules and all that so I think, uh TV gives, does give more educational value than entertainment


uh but I think it's , I think the root of all this purpose actually is to educate people, like I mention entertainment is just and since that they put it in in part, of the television programme to make it more entertaining uh like you said it's it's there's definitely gonna be very dry just reading books and all that just to gain all that information but I think


many people say like pictures speaks a thousand words lah basically so that's the reason why TV is ready on the game here to really, at least shorten the lead time of lead time of of getting towards that sort of


information that we want to achieve uh, and, for sure , I what what we're trying to to to act on what I'm actually trying to explain here is actually uh, it's still very educational uh if not if it's just a very uh basic entertainment uh it could be just some very


stupid shows are probably stupid uh uh that kind of thing that just showing and then you just laugh throughout and it just doesn't give any value and you will just get bored towards, , the end of it the whole point it's you ultimately want to gain something beat consciously or subconsciously we we really do not know uh actually we learn things that


we don't even know until you have it in your memory bank when you really need it and then you just use, it probably talking to your friends or probably talking for colleagues or coworkers and all that uh it's just suddenly pops out of a sudden because all that has already been absorbed during the


the this this source of educational or, uh on TV uh whereby you wouldn't even realise that image probably is in your memory bank so I was thinking that, if it's just pure entertainment I think, TV is no longer, uh would be uh of their original purpose with which is supposed to educate


no uh I'm saying that it still has to be, I think both


factors is important but I think the main purpose is to educate entertainment as us is just coming into complement, the purpose of education, that's that's how I understand


yes, uh done done


part three debate topic three


okay our success so the topic that we're discussing right now it's actually do films offer, anything more than an escape from reality I do feel that (ppc) it does offer more, uh that escaped of reality I think in in the minds of uh consumers it's probably


public I think everybody is thinking that uh in terms are just just some of uh imaginary uh, uh sense to go to different uh world and all that but I think


films offer more than just that it gives it will impart certain values, it gives uh people , it could be also giving people a a reality wakeup call for example certain incidents that was in the films that example when you turn on the gas


you forgot to switch it on when someone calls and all that, and then will explode so it will also give us a sense of uh, understanding to see if this is really real uh and it's also telling us that ya this is this is reality and uh


there's nothing there's also good information of knowledge that that we we we sort of need to understand and also, in part by certain probably for example romance that you're not supposed to betray and all that uh actually all that happening it's actually in reality uh


and not out of that so you have to be faithful example loyal to your partners and all that , so some of those values of feedback from the, films actually really give us uh a very good sense of understanding what exactly happening


in another setting it just may be not happening to you personally but, it doesn't mean that it it would not happen at least it give you sort of , uh prevention or probably precautions are just being cautious about it that all these things might happen uh probably what are things that you think you need to do to ensure these things will not happen


, these are all these things that, what films actually does more than just escape , it brings us down back to the ground to understand, uh actually these are could be happening to me just that I have never seen it or probably never have


understand that it does happen , ya


I think I think (ppc) film it works like a very similar thing that uh what TV stars actually uh is uh, it does offer, educational purposes uh as well, regardless of the the viewers age lah it could be meaning starting from children they may not be able to understand some of the


educational uh roles so probably expects or by through schooling and reading but were therefore absorbed much better and faster, through, films, whereby they would learn the character of it uh how this


how do they perform or what is the outcome of it how would she portray how does a character portray and , and all that she would definitely learn it much faster so, even for teenagers it they could be rebellious at certain certain age they also trying to


understand what exactly that they want uh probably they are afraid of , listening to the sorry they are to try the most of the rebellious one they don't listen to the parents but I think they would probably turn, to all those films going out with friends uh probably but going through all that they will probably learn


the values of respect, , probably the value of understanding and all that so that would probably helps also the breach the social gaps, not just for kids but also to the adults uh whereby all these things


we may not be talking it a day in day out but actually through films actually ready, convey much more message , than just daily conversations because uh we may not be very, direct in our conversation or our worthing


, telling our opinions and also our feedback but , all that could be gather through films or an example some documentaries, or uh, some movies and all that it also does I feel is also giving


uh a certain and some movies also did did sort of uh impart certain patriotism in us , maybe uh, for example some movies like , fighting movies between with the japanese guys and all that I mean if we know that we always been tortured by japanese but through films we know that


some people are always against it and you also gives us a sense like belonging that oh meaning after all these years, we have gained independence and and all that it it does really give a sense of belonging that we know uh we have to cherish all that thing and we don't want all that thing to happen anymore and


it does give us, a lot more than just an escape of reality


so are you saying that you don't you don't ever see it happy ending


but I think it's it's a fine line between an escape of reality from reality and also education rules I mean if I were to see it I was thinking that oh in future I would I would want my


family to be that perfect, that uh that sort of level that I will be expecting, it it does give me that that sense of understanding the oh okay this is what I'll be expecting in future and not really


so also telling me that, it it could be a reality is not just, out of it uh it's just that we have to work towards that goals before it, can turns into reality coming back to matrix yes I do believe uh there's most of the


or that thing is really escape from reality but the thing it's, it does also tells you that what the world is gonna be, okay in the next what twenty thirty years in future but we as a community as part of the citizens or probably in a part of the world we also need to do our part


uh are also to know , to, what could we do to achieve to that level of, digitalisation for example or probably, , what other it's also flows a lot of creative ideas man uh towards us when we watch all those movies and then you probably have uh ideas on what we need to do to ensure that goals will be achieved


that's also partially why films also offers a lot of , social experience for mainly from the filmmakers , telling from their stories maybe that guy is probably fifty sixty years old, but he experienced life much more than me but I would already know the end goal


even without reaching it by learning through all that that would really help me in personal growth as well


that's true but the thing what I'm seeing is not just that particular it offers more than just an escape a reality it gives a lot of more value, uh or probably uh things that we can, in part through all those films


part one debate topic one


sure okay you can start


ya (ppc) okay okay clayton thanks for your


your your insights , I don't really agree because , it because I I I I do get your point about uh many of the examples that you brought up them including uh things like restaurants


uh or or or, high end luxury items shops are giving bad publicity but, all these are what you call publicity stunts so these are plan publicity uh, (ppc)


certain certain public certain kinds of publicity will will generate more notice from the public and that is why people uh utilise such a tactic called uh publicity stunts, to to gather the notice from public and and actually to to grow their presence or or let people know about their brands but


in the end it has to depend on the nature of the publicity and also how it is handled so for example , if you if you are a person who is already at the


uh already very very extremely famous you don't need you don't need more people to know about you you just you just need people to continue liking you so in such a situation when when bad publicity comes , uh


it is it is very detrimental to you, it is it is it is detrimental to you definitely so in in such a sense are bad the the the the saying that bad publicity there's no such thing as bad publicity is in my view is definitely not true


so, examples like uh , uh many years back I don't know whether you remember the BP oil spill, uh it was handled it was a disaster everybody knows is a is a terrible disaster but uh to make it worse it was handled pretty badly by by BP


uh they even manage to to to record the CEO of the of BP at that time saying things that are not very sensitive, or uh (ppc) to to to the public uh things like you know I would like I would like my life back that kind of thing so it generated extreme public uh animosity and anger so in in my view that is definitely not


uh not a useful publicity for BP so this is just one example, but , on another on another start on another note , I'm sure you remember the Samsung case many years back when the battery exploded so this was also bad publicity so at that time Samsung was at the stage where everybody knows about them


uh they don't need more people to know about them but uh, this this thing came at a at a at a time when actually is detrimental and shows that they their quality is not as good as people think, but unfortunately for Samsung they handled


it very well they they uh they handled it extremely well in fact despite uh taking the the, the damage from the bad publicity they they manage to use it to actually, let everybody know how much effort Samsung puts into


uh making sure their batteries are safe their products are safe the the I don't know how many ten over steps of safety testing that every of their product, goes through so it it was handled well and it ended pretty much okay but I don't think uh


in that sense it it actually generated additional income for Samsung (ppc) so at the very most they save themselves so whether, whether and eh so even even what I'm trying to say is even with, good planning and and good handling of the bad publicity


uh things can also just be back to normal as bad at at best, so definitely on my side I feel that bad publicity is definitely a real thing uh everybody have to be careful about their reputation


and it it can lead to it can lead to down falls, yup that's my that's my take


ya so I agree Samsung handled it very well and and and that is one of the cases where actually uh bad publicity turned out to be


okay okay only ah them so bad, uh like I said just now at best Samsung regain back to what was uh what it was uh in public view uh


back to normal one just just back to normal I don't think it actually uh made them even more popular at least, I don't see that happening uh uh because to be honest during that fiasco


I'm sure many people uh in desperation uh tried out other other brands of phone for the time being, things like uh maybe brands like Huawei or Oppo or even, brands like Xiaomi so or or it doesn't have to be china phones there that can be that can be other other other brands of phone people people who used to only select


Samsung phones were were forced during that period of time to actually consider other types of brands so, to be honest uh like for example for me at that time I also tried out Oppo phones


and I've been I've been sticking the Oppo phone ever since so, uh that that that is why that is why I feel that bad publicity, really it's really very true even for Samsung's case when they when they actually handle they so well


that there are still still uh repercussions that uh cannot be reversed, so bad publicity to me it is uh it is still something very very view


uh and, also to read reiterate one of my earlier points it has to depend on the nature of the publicity and and and the the the position of the the entity in, the centre of this whole whole publicity


so for example if you are a new startup company and and you just want people to know about your product, or you you pushed out of a new type of product that not many people have started uh using or uh are open to the idea of using it yes you can tap onto


on the people who are copying your products like what you brought up just now I think there's a very good point so, things like that yes but if you are if you are people at already the apex, where known you you don't need more more people to know about you and and things like that


anything bad anything, a bad any bad publicity that damages your reputation will definitely uh impact you to to to a certain extent this this is what I feel


eh eh I I as I said I agree on that point but Samsung is a good good good good case like like I said so for example,


part two debate topic two, I think it can but you don't talk until I have no time to talk


so you go first proposition uh (ugh) ya oh okay


okay thank you


and education is riding on to this so the


that's why my take is that the the purpose of television is to entertain, right uh right from the start of the of its inception invented by, by by this guy called the what what his name what was his name


this guy called philo taylor farnsworth so, he he he, invented the television uh as a as an alternative to radio which was a very popular form of entertainment at that time so


he wanted to create a new form of entertainment let's not forget about that ah the, the whole purpose book uh how why why the television was invented by this person was for entertainment purposes and, okay it doesn't matter so it was originally invented to to to entertain yes but look at also also look at how it was developed over the years


the the the screens from CRT to LCD to plasma to LCD to LED uh things are getting clearer more vibrant colours are more vibrant, the the the the the the speakers are going into digital on uh all those Dolby theatre uh kind of uh


sound systems now everything is improving in the direction of entertainment if you if you notice, and because of course because of all these improvements uh, educational uh programmes such as uh like what you say all those uh programmes that talk about nature and all that


will gain even more popularity uh uh by putting their their programme on TV, because it now nowadays the TV with the technology is able to, bring across such vivid colours that you can really feel like the the lion or the tiger is right in front of you


and the sound is very real as well the sounds recorded are are transmitted to you very realistically, so all these is still based on the the the the route that TV has been developed and


evolved, to entertain, okay the my ya


okay but like like like what you said , uh , a lot of a lot of kids are derive a lot of education from programmes on the TV so for example things like uh uh


uh getting to know another countries culture and the food there and and uh and to see how they live and everything ah, what what is to stop these people who really want to know these things from


from uh tedious process of uh slowly reading up uh understanding the history of the whole country going there personally to to actually , uh uh immerse themselves in the culture over there and understand what is stopping them from doing that or that they rather actually just watch


from TV and and and get to know all these because TV is so entertaining you don't you you you don't actually have to go, go through all that trouble all the tedious process very dry process of reading up and things like that because all those are not entertaining there's no pictures


uh showing up to you there's nothing moving there's nobody cracking jokes in front of the TV for you so all these is is still entertainment the the route is still entertainment is just that, uh, all this it it it is so successful that so many things are riding on


to the entertainment aspect of the TV for example educational programmes uh, uh cultural programmes the so, if you if you notice of the the really really big, uh money makers out there uh are purely entertainment all the programmes are purely entertainment things like uh


uh singing competitions now for now the uh america got talent all these kind of programmes are generating huge perks because they are purely entertaining, of course they do have have certain uh degree of education in them you know


uh people who want to learn learn singing or even listening to songs to learn languages uh they can listen to all this kind of uh programmes so there's always an education aspect but the route, and the main purpose is still, to me I feel it is still to entertain without the entertainment portion you don't even need to think about the education uh perspective of of television


so what you are saying is in order to educate the television has evolved to become more entertaining is that what you are saying


ya okay, probably it's uh it is is very close to a case of chicken and egg the whether the egg came first the chicken came first but, the the the the on my side uh, I I I I would be more geared towards thinking that uh entered the TVs main


okay, that the television's main purpose is still to entertain


part three debate topic three


okay (ppc) okay thanks clayton uh and on my side my take is that films, are nothing but an escape from reality, , don't let's let let let's look back at (ppc)


uh the the the basis of successful films , if you are familiar with with with with with the reviews and and things like depth of movies and films, you will you will you will see that a lot of a lot of times the really successful films are actually have reviews like uh saying things like


or the audience is totally able to immerse themselves into the film uh, uh even after the film it took a while to extract themselves out of the film that kind of thing is like !wow! (ppc) so what is actually had happening here


uh did did the film actually hypnotised them no I don't think so the but what what what what actually they're getting from this whole thing is actually to, escape from reality it allows uh it allows all these people to escape from the reality that applied to them and them themselves


which is precisely why for every films made there is always a target audience, uh you are right you are right certain things that happen happen all that in real life uh may not be happening to you but it doesn't mean that it's not happening to other people but


for those people who are actually experiencing the fact that these things are not happening to them this is they are reality this is their reality so, these are the target audience uh that the film seeks to actually uh


attract, so, let's look at some examples of films , uh really popular ones like okay re very recently all the marvel superheros uh movies


why why are they so so so popular is it because they, they they they, educate people is it because they, uh , show show people uh what is happening on the other side of the world no all these are are purely fictional


and, provides an escape from reality to to the target audience who, love to imagine themselves as being with super strength superpowers able to fly uh able to become heroes and save the world


so, that is that is the reason why so many people are are are flocking to this movies, uh because these movies actually provide uh uh an excellent escape from reality so, taking a look back at reality probably these these these people will be like me I don't know about you but will be like me every day just wake up go to work


uh earn enough for for a meal and and go back home and sleep, that's that's that's how our whole life revolves of course there are some exciting things happening in uh once in a while but , in in in in general is it something like that so so


movies like marvel superheroes where we see uh iron man uh with his super technology he can create anything out of technology uh things like superman, who can who who's like totally not killable can fly everywhere even out of earth


(ppc) so these are these are things that you know, allow people to to to to have a sense of escaping from reality oh you know they're they're such they can imagine themselves , uh being being a superhero rather than just stuck in a in in the rat race every day just uh nine to five that kind of lifestyle


ya, yeah


, okay the ya so of so for sense of, for sense of patriotism all these that you mention uh again


I just want to emphasise the point uh people love to love to watch such films and love to feel patriotic because, it allows them to escape from reality, in in their in their everyday life they this is this is not necessary


uh we're we're in peace time right now of course uh nobody should take it for granted but reality is that we are in peace time right now and and we are in technological boom, uh and most of us are still still


we, in the in the the end everybody could have just lived their lives continued to live their lives during doing their things everyday things and not watch films so why do they watch films, they


they they they could have easily gone for cycling like like like like me or or gone for a swim or just meet up with some friends but why why do they go and watch films and why is so why is it so popular , my my take is the reason behind it is in the end it is still an escape from reality so


for example movies like matrix uh uh, I I I'm not sure how much education you can gain from it uh the acrobats from the acrobatic moves then that neo actually can perform, uh all of all


or the fact that you know , possibly we're all just uh part of a huge human farm , but, uh I'm I'm is a very hugely popular film but I'm not


too sure about the education aspect of it uh it is more like an escape from reality is like , uh allowing people to feel that you know actually all their their their troubles every day at work, or in uh back at home it doesn't really matter you know it is possible that it really doesn't matter it asks allows them to escape from reality for that for that two to three hours uh


when the film as is being turned on or showed to them so, uh this is this is just one example there are many many more more movies even I can even talk about movie genres such as Disney fairy tales where


where where you know uh it's always happily ever after or almost always so uh , ya ya the the the ya the the thing is the thing is in real life we


I don't know are we are we we we we we don't we don't usually, uh see examples of happily ever after even if uh somebody ends up with somebody, in the end maybe twenty years down the road they may end up divorced or fight


or quarrel every day nothing seems all lovey dovey like, like the Disney fairy tales maybe there's also why the fairy tales always stop, after the two the two main uh main characters get together or something like that you know


it is


uh I understand and okay uh to some to some extent may I do I do agree with you but, you see the what is what is the the the the route at why is your your understanding of the world reality


it is not something in the future it is, now where we are now what we are doing now this is reality, so, when you say that yes they educate you on on what may happen maybe twenty years down the road to the world this is not reality to me this is an escape from reality


you are, you are running away from what's happening now and imagining uh what is, going to be uh, like in future and, imagining that it is the case, so this is and this is an escape from reality they


and and if you notice almost all films are doing that uh it deviates, what why why do people want to I for me I wouldn't want to go pay the money go and watch a film where where the main main character actually wakes up


uh


okay so okay Saven in your entire argument earlier on you actually mentioning about, two different sites so when you actually telling that you know in a globalized world ah conversation uh when we actually doing writing there is some


there are some parts that are superior and there are some parts that are not ah that that can be not considered to be superior so in your earlier on argument can you make your stand, because what you actually talked about was equally uh talking about both


agreeing and disagreeing so are you agreeing are you agreeing with the point that it these days superior writing or there's no superior writing


okay, so as of as for me okay I'm opposing this uh whole notion stating that ah are certain type of writing superior to others, so if I'm opposing to this means I'm actually telling that I'm not agreeing to this point okay first of all let's take a look at what are writing is okay writing is a form of communication


and uh writing can, be put in different different ways, example of writing can be academic writing okay a simple example of writing also can be put as uh just bringing, though my ideas and my thoughts to another person in the form of penning them down okay another form of writing can be also for uh writing for journals or academic journals which require a different kind of a skill


another type of writing if you actually see, as long as the whole idea of writing is bringing forward, uh bringing forth the message to a person you have already, achieved your target and as long as your writing has reached to a particular person okay depending on whoever you are talking to the targeted audience we have already reached our goal of reaching and bringing formed our message


so in this case why are we considering the idea of having, superior ideas and non-superior ideas I feel uh non-superior writing and superior writing I feel that this whole idea is actually uh very fallacious so it should it should not be actually you know like accepted in such a way whereby you know if we actually going to take a look at things in this way we are actually being very


judgemental right and another, thing is that if you actually take a look ah, ah, certain type of writings okay I am writing it in a very very very difficult way, I don't think that can be considered as superior writing some people might think oh if I write in a very uh uh you know sophisticated in a very sophisticated language or if I'm going to use very bombastic ah words and all huge words it'll be actually considered to be


ah superior writing and I don't think that is what superior writing is supposed to be a a great superior writing is actually something that actually brings forth a message to someone in a very very easy form, so that the person can actually understand so in this way we cannot say that there's superior writing or there's non superior writing there's only writing


okay uh Kesavan you've actually mentioned in your uh, speech earlier saying that , writing has to be done for business reasons and that also you've brought in pointers about uh uh


COVID-nineteen uh pandemic that is being reported lately in our social medias especially mainstream social medias and uh superior writing that, that are you you claim that you know, uh writings that are actually found in uh this


form of media platforms are considered to be superior writing, okay uh this were your points okay now I would like to actually talk about each of this point uh first let me come to the most uh something that's most closest to out heart which is a


the epidemic that we are all going through which is COVID nineteen what happens is that, if you are talking about, mass media or you know uh newspapers or digital platforms that are reporting news to be having superior form of writing I beg to differ that because there are many forms of uh many of this uh articles that I've actually read that contain a lot of grammar mistakes


simple things like uh a subject verb agreement are not there okay, and I've even had read sentences that they think that they are actually complex sentences but I I was actually taken aback whereby you know this sentence does not even have a subject in it, you say so if you are actually talking about superior writing maybe it should be something that is


you know talking about grammar or talking about the sentence or talking about the way of writing rather than the platform that the writing is in so if you are talking that something is on considered to be superior writing because of the platform that they are actually published in or that the platform that they are actually in then I doubt


this is actually considered to be superior writing because superior writing clearly states about the action writing is actually an action verb is a verb you see, so what happens it is a it we have to write something and we have the publish it and people have to read it, correct or not so if you actually take a look ah superior writing or non superior writing there is no such thing you see as long as I've write I've written down something okay and there is a message in it however simple it is or however complex it is it has still served its purpose


in fact, I can clearly say that something that is very very difficult and which is not comprehendible by people can't even be considered to be superior writing like that is what you know if if it's what you've actually, you know mentioned about the businesses you say that you know like in certain business uh uh


uh scenarios or in certain business uh uh situations we are supposed to adapt a particular form of writing and that is actually superior writing I beg to differ that because when we say superior writing it has when when we're actually talking about writing the words idea is


communication and as long as we bring forward our idea it is already there and we have actually uh you know achieved our target but if we are talking about you know writing itself and making it you know( uh) ranking it as superior ranking something else as inferior I don't


I think that is right if you actually take a look, how many people can actually understand uh if okay, according to common man okay many people would actually consider uh you know uh shakespeare's work to be superior writing because this are work that are actually put as uh you know literature text and you know many people are actually do uh reading it and there there're a lot of research being


done for it and you know these are actually academic works that are you know uh forth in schools and students are actually uh uh studying it and adapting ideas out of it to write for exams so how many people are able to comprehend shakespeare without the help of shakespearean's


work being actually explained to to them via another person maybe it can be actually verbal or it can be actually in the form of another text if we actually studied literature in secondary school or if we studied literature JC we can actually clearly see that you know some students ah


are actually have to have uh, some other form of notes to actually understand this kind of work so you mean to say that work that is not being able to be comprehended by commoners that or not


it be being able to be easily comprehended by many is considered to be superior work, then I don't think that is because it has to serve its purpose it has to served its purpose of communicating it has served its purpose, to reach the audience but here it is not reaching the audience it is just for a niche group of people who can actually just comprehend them


how can that be considered as superior writing I don't think that is superior writing it is supposedly something that is able to be understand and comprehended by everyone okay so back to you


okay maybe to wrap up our conversation and our debate on this topic uh you've actually, mentioned that you know there is, something called superior writing because of the content that this writing are actually written for and the platforms that this writing is written for and the reasons that this writings are written for


as for myself , I have actually mentioned that uh there is no such thing called superior writing because the whole idea of uh writing is suppose to be just, bringing forth information and that as long as it has actually reached and uh


uh it has brought forward the information that is suppose to brought for the people and uh it has reached there the whole idea has that whole idea of uh having, uh the writing done is actually achieved uh however


if we actually take a look I guess we can actually, take a look at this in uh two perspective like there are two point that like there are two sides to a coin we can actually see that uh we can actually go to the the the part whereby yes agreeing that there can be superior writing and there can be inferior writing in the arena of academia


whereby when we're actually taking a look at academics but actually if we actually taking a look at uh, the whole idea of uh uh looking at people in the form of just having ideas being brought forward and if it's going to be what we are and what the world is going towards now uh which is actually blurring the line between


being formal and being informal okay I guess we can make do with the whole idea of having superior writing and in and and and not having superior writing because this is what the world is actually going towards and we are actually blurring a lot of things and we are going towards a world that is actually all accepting


as long as ideas are being brought forward and uh if you actually take a look there are some very good articles that will actually written but I can actually say that the articles were not that fantastic but the idea and the content that the article actually contained


were actually making them to be great articles to be article that will appreciated by the mass so as we said there're there're two point there are two parts of this uh argument like uh there're two parts to a coin and uh, I can't actually clearly state that I can I would actually like to wrap up our our debate here saying that yes there are two parts but


as long as we actually take a clear stand on which part we're actually going to be taking for I believe that, we can uh just keep to our stand and we can actually just go by what we actually standing by lah yes thank you thank you very much okay


okay Kesavan you can start if you are ready


okay thank you #kesavan#uh Kesavan I would actually have to before I start I would actually like to you know pick down this whole topic okay access the in, that of foreign films or foreign TV programs when I actually when we actually see the idea foreign


films and foreign TV programs that means as long as they they they are not coming from singapore on the culture of your society okay I come from the singapore society so singapore is where I am in and I am born here so therefore I considered this to be my society so how has


foreign elements foreign media elements affected my society so this is a question, I would clearly say that it has not affected my society to a very large, extend, like what you actually mentioned uh because if you actually take a look at the singaporean society


it is a very unique society okay we come from an asian background and naturally it is actually a very very conservative kind of a background and since the earlier days of independence of singapore we have been clearly


okay focused and we have had leaders who have clearly made us focus okay on what to accept and what not to accept okay and another thing is that not everything that, are actually put up okay in a in a in foreign countries are just


clearly or easily available in where we are, okay that heavy censorship here okay therefore what people of our society are exposed to are what, we are required to expose to you see and another, thing is that ah if you actually you talked a little bit about violence just now


okay uh you know sometimes violence being actually portrayed in a a certain programs or certain uh movies can be actually adopted if we actually take a look at singaporean, society majority of us are, academically inclined we have had proper formal education at least up till primary six


okay so if if we actually take a look at this that this data we can clearly say that we as a society are able to identify what is right and what is not, we are able to clearly see what we are saying to be accepted or not to be accepted


many a times we can actually, see you know like uh a certain programs that were actually you know like uh not accepted by our country, okay and maybe plus someone would have read a book uh books regarding it they could've actually clearly say that no you know actually or maybe they would have read it somewhere else or someone would have talked to them or converse to them about this particular movie that might be actually talking about ah about a particular society or even could be our society


but saying and we can actually clearly agree or not agree to it so we have been trained okay in a formal way to actually, see whether something can be accepted or can't they cannot be accepted so we had this ability so if we are actually trained to have this ability to actually see what is right and what is not


why should a foreign elements such as foreign films, and foreign TV programs be affecting our society and our culture they should not right as long as we are able to actually say okay this


but I can give you an example ah okay uh if we actually talk about uh uh having people having uh some uh fights among a different uh racial groups, okay this could actually happen in another country can can be happening in any neighboring countries okay and this


if you are going to tell is going to stir racial issues in singapore I doubt so because there must be a beast, and we're actually being taught to do all these things since young that is by schools are teaching racial harmony day that is why academics, uh in in school itself there are certain topics such as character building and development


that are taught to students, so all these things are teaching and bringing forth intangible, ideas to students so that they are actually molded since young to actually see and identify what to accept and what not to accept right so on my stand I'm actually taking that


this foreign elements such as films and TV programs are not going to be having a great impact on our society uh based on culture thank you so back to you


okay Kesavan you actually mentioned a few points okay uh one of the first point that you actually mentioned was about parenting and uh children being exposed to uh, correct me if I'm wrong ah okay so children who are actually being exposed to uh foreign TV programs and because of all these things parents are actually having a lot of parenting issues


right okay, you see who are the ones who actually exposing, the children to all these things kids at any stage okay kids, as long even even okay kids now or kids twenty years back or kids thirty years back our as whatever that they we watch or whatever they whatever that they see they actually


adapt into them if you are telling me that their parenting challenges or there are more challenges right now, I would actually disagree with you for that uh for a basic reason there have been challenges all through out okay even during our grandparents' time even during their grandparents time or even during their parent's time but all these things were not


that much spoken about because there were many other issues that were present, okay so all other issues that were present were the ones that actually they were more bothered about rather than you know thinking that oh foreign films are the ones that actually affecting me the most


you see how much of foreign film is that child going to be able to watch as as long as a parent is able to control certain things the child is not going to be able to watch it what and another thing is that for the child of okay for for if you are talking about children ah because I'm talking with you you talked about children's ah bring in the topic about children here okay


there is something called the schema of a child okay no child is having prior knowledge of anything, okay it is what they learn from their parent so what they learn from their parent is what they adapt and when they are watching a movie, they are actually connecting whatever thoughts that they have actually learned whatever prior knowledge that they already have towards what that is actually proclaimed or towards whatever that's actually being shown in the movie and they connect to it and they try to comprehend and understand it


so if you are telling me that foreign films are the ones who are actually causing all these things I doubt so it could be actually the bringing up of the the the bringing up style of the parent we have to actually take a look at the root of the issue rather than blaming every other thing that is coming from elsewhere


okay the next thing that you actually so I am actually very very clear that it is actually based on the bringing up of a parent that the child's bringing up or the child's behavior is greatly affected and, not because of foreign films or


foreign uh TV programmes that are actually affecting the child, secondly, if you actually talking about ah people having issues people are actually a lot of violence being breaking out a lot of uh uh okay the whole idea of violence because of foreign films and foreign TV programs are actually uh portraying a lot of


violence in them Kesaven I would actually I would actually like you to think ah uh do you think violence is due to mankind I don't think so if we read, good literature if we actually look at history, violence has been their own throughout


and in fact people have been more violent, in the earlier days compared to now, if you take a look at violence okay, in fact capital punishment has been removed from a lot of countries and the whole idea of capital punishment itself ah if you actually take a look has been made


much more easier compared to what capital punishment was during uh, the earlier days maybe during world war two time, okay we take a look at what capital punishment was it was terrible, okay so if you take a look at violence violence was much more greater if you take a look at the world war van


the violence that was actually showed what's greater during world war one and world war two and if these are actually world war one and world war two that the world has actually seen ah I'm sure if we actually take a look and read, (uyh) ancient literature ancient chinese literature ancient indian and tamil literature we can actually see that there were wars that were happening way before that


and how gory and how gruesome this war were actually during #qin shi huang#'s dynasty or during the whole idea of uh the diagnostical I uh the diagnostical time of china we can actually see that there were a lots of war that were going on there were and there were lots of uh you know scary things that were going


on and how how inhumane humans were, compared to how we are now the only war that we might be able to see now is maybe digital war, or maybe you know war that is uh trade trade, war that is maybe happening between china and uh and uh and america and this are not


violence these are actually using a lot of, ideologies or using a lot of you know uh uh clear thinking and trying to use you know AI and uh artificial intelligence or you know all these type of uh ideas to actually fight with people and it is not about


just using violence and all you see, so actually we have became less violence now compared to other times and if you are taking look at uh our society our society is not that bad our society is actually not being greatly affected by other societies or for foreign films or foreign TV program because we are able to think ourselves and in singapore we have great law and we have actually


you know we come down with we come up with we come down to people with great to okay so people here are able to identify what is right and what is not and we have a good laws system here that we can actually rely on so it is not way to be it is not affecting our society to a large extend


thank you very much for this uh uh debate uh Kesavan I had a great debate with you for this topic


okay Kesavan would you like to start


okay okay Kesavan ah, as a okay as all as always let me actually pick this topic ah, nowadays so not before this not after this, the pleasures of reading can never compete with the pleasures of visual entertainment so if we actually see clashes that means there are multiple clashes that


we actually are getting people might be getting due to reading and it can never be, uh competed, okay uh, never it can never compete with the pleasure of visual entertainment I strongly agree to the idea that visual entertainment pleasures people


to a larger extent then we, even though I'm a reader myself there are many parts, okay maybe you can actually uh take, I can give you a simple example, of uh harry potter, okay I'm sure most of us would have read harry potter


it is actually a, wonderful novel it is just not written for kids but it is also written for adults, ah when harry potter was out I was still in, secondary school and it was actually


difficult for me to, understand a lot of the, words and the terms that were used, in that wonderful book, no doubt it's actually a wonderful book but at that age, and because of the kind of society that we are from we are from a an a asian society and you know we we're not from a society that is you know uh or we we don't come from a place whereby we know we talk about sorceress and you know the kind of particular words that they use


so you know it was very far for me to actually you know as I was reading the book I had to go to the dictionary and that time you know we will not uh we will not having online, dictionaries we had to go to the physical dictionary you know every page I had to like turn back turn here turn there turn here on the dictionary to actually search for the meaning of word it was actually a great headache for me but


this was, totally gone when I actually, uh went to watch the movie when the movie was out I heard a lot of, people being very skeptical that you know the movie might not be actually as good as what the text uh the text is going to, be and I'll no doubt in the text there're there're many things that are actually talked about but when it comes to be a movie they may just the main idea is the one that is brought forth to the to to to the mass public so what happen


the main ideas are actually collated and they are made into the movie and this actually helped me, understand what the movie's about and make me understand where the movie was coming from and then after that I went all to read the text


and yet the text was very good but, I had a great, pleasure by watching that movie compared to actually you know just reading the book on its own so in fact the movie actually came in, or at a point to have it actually substantiated and it made me want to read the book so I can actually say that the movie was affect that actually helped me understand the book even to a greater extent so you mean to say so so over here I'm actually I would clearly like to say that


just reading alone is not going to be giving us great pleasure but watching, visual entertainment is very very, important and coming to my point so I've actually talked about your point if it if, if I'm actually coming to my point, there are many ideas that


with it, which can't be actually imagined by us, if you actually talk about fantasy books if you're actually talking about fantasies stories there a lot of things there a lots of dragon, and uh uh the whole idea of uh you know


castles and all, most of us will have never, have an idea how a person will look like or how a dragon will look like we're just reading if you're going to give a child a book to read the child is just going to that okay read all this thing and then the child will thinking okay dragon is a dragon but a dragon might not look like a dragon and we do not know how a dragon looks like


and you know okay, uh so if you actually take a look at the, uh the whole idea of uh


okay you can see me okay uh, thank you so much uh Kesavan, uh so now you can hear me well too right, okay now uh so the whole idea of uh I was talking to you about uh uh castle, and dragon so if we have now watch a movie about how a castle look like if we have not watch a movie about how a dragon look like if we have not watch about how knight look like


it is very very tough for us to actually understand , what, all these things are going to be by just reading you see all these things will be, words and maybe you know uh uh uh I I will I will know that castle is actually uh a place where people stay but I will not know how the physicals


way a castle is going to look like unless I'm going to watch a movie and this is what is going to give us great pleasure and not just plain reading if it's just going to be plain reading the idea is not going with built up we have to have visual, force and as as I've you you know there's another thing is that


many a times ah there're people can people can be actually classified into different groups , people can be audiobook people people can be visual people and, there are majority of people who are actually audible audio people and visual people and majority of the people in our society are actually visual people


we actually have to see to believe you see there is actually a phrase that comes you know you have to see to believe you don't have to read to believe, so you have to make sure that you are able to see it and, that actually goes deep into our mind it actually gets imprinted in our brains and we're able to actually identify though this is how it looks like you see so I clearly state and I clearly believe that you know compared to reading just reading


visual entertainment is very very important and it is what, that gives uh you know it can never compete with visual entertainment because it is complete, thank you and ah back to you uh Kesavan


no I would I would like to stop here because you know you can't I did not say that you know they were better than uh what I read but they helped me understand the things that I read yes okay back to you


no it's mine it's mine I'm I'm just messaging her continue


okay Kesavan uh as you said you know the book was very descriptive, it is a norm for book be very very descriptive, but is that going to be reflective of what, is, what something is going to be in, in in nature because


when we're actually going to look at reality it is not going to be this perfect, okay a book can actually just give what what I feel is that a book is something that is giving us, a force idea it is actually something that is giving us a very you know uh an idea that is extremely flowered and very fluffy okay so it is just giving us you know ideas of


just you know how uh great something is or how beautiful her hair is and describing every strand and how the hair is moving and you know, how how how how how how her uh, eyebrows were or what you know so it's very clear description but if we are watching it in a movie we can't be clearly looking for the person who looks exactly like what we actually read so if you are trying to see someone is trying to read


present a character in that picture, okay a character that you have read in a book is being represented by a living person who is trying to be like that character so we have to understand that it is a person who's playing that character and one we are going to take a look when we're actually watching a movie is


it depends on what we actually work what what we actually looking for you see if we're actually going to deeply look at a particular thing in a movie then we can we're going to say that oh okay you know this is the one that is not going to be very entertaining for me but if we actually take a look at the movie in a holistic manner


if we if we take a look at the movie in you know in a a a with its sound with its visual effect with its storyline, everything I think it's going to give great pleasure just than just reading a book by just reading a book the sound is not going to come you know the sound has to be imagined by you and just imagine you have never heard a particular kind of a sound and how are you going to be connecting to it if you are going to take a look at his


novels novels that are talking about historical you know wars and all, majority of us might not have haven't lived through that period if you are going to take a look at war during the uh , uh uh during our


okay I have uh okay I can give you an example okay uh maybe war during the uh dynastical period of dynastic dynasty time in china okay if uh if they they're going to be very descriptive you know they can say that you know this particular characters actually took out a sword and the sword actually had a particular shine and


it got this heavy and you know this person was this tall with the this built and all but you know if we're never going to be someone who's going to be living at that period of time we wont be able to understand or maybe the book is just over describing a person you know a person they they they they are saying that the person is this


this tall and you know every and and everyone around that time were actually you know uh above the height of maybe two meters how are we going to believe that you know people are going to be so huge and walking giants is it, so you see books are actually painting to us, just


uh majority of time books actually painting to us ideas and ideologies that are not truthful and then are not realistic but when we're actually watching, movies we can actually say that ya okay no doubt that can be a lot of times whereby you know , a lot of uh uh visuals or a lot of uh


artificial intelligence or visual effects or camera tricks are actually used but by watching them we are actually, able to understand them deeply and we able to connect with them greatly even more so than just reading something that is


on on the on the form of text which is just, book or you know printed text or made you know it it can even be you know text that is on the uh computer okay so for me, I would clearly state that yes, a visual entertainment is great however you have actually mentioned that you know uh reading a book


it's a great but maybe each of them complement each other but I would actually have to stick to my stand of visual entertainment is much more greater thank you so much


, so I'll just continue I'll begin to start , so basically I'll just like to uh address uh or define writing as a whole so what we have over here is uh


so basically information reach articles and newspapers and also there's there's actually a formal way of writing and we also had the uh aesthetic and expressive way of writing as well which is like our poetry, our narratives and so on


so all types of writings they actually uh specialized in their own genre and niche and uh of course uh, it'll definitely not be able uh not be uh effective or applicable way in other categories as well if I say uh it'll be if I say it is actually uh


uh it's it's it it it would be too simplistic to base a writing significance or superiority relative to the others based on a set of criteria as all of them are unique and uh, in their own way in their own function


however , what I would actually like to state is that , I believe in the superiority of uh certain writing type, uh, that that actually uh, it's related to journalism uh which is uh also in a way of a persuasive style of writing as well and also I feel like it's more applicable today in uh in in a globalised world


compared to our aesthetic way of writing which is which are like your poems or your novels , which which may be considered to be as less relevance to what I'm stating which is actually the persuasive way of writing uh


yup, I would say uh the practicality of journalistic and persuasive writing it's more suited uh when it comes to business and political uh arena


and uh if I may say, the persuasive way is actually , how do I put this, the persuasive I would actually say for me superiority comes in a very persuasive way of writing ya let let's just put that right


okay so Kesavan in your entire argument earlier on you were actually mentioning about two different type, when you're actually telling that you know the globalized world uh


conversation uh when we're actually doing writing there's, some there're some part that are superior and there're some part that are not uh that that, can be not considered to be superior so, in your earlier on argument can you make your stand because what do I actually talked about was equally uh talking about both


well I would say uh, I believe in superior writing in certain type of uh, writing


which is related to journalism and persuasive style, that's what I'm taking my stand on, okay so as of as for me okay I'm opposing this uh whole notion stating that uh


uh certain type, of writing superior to others so if I'm opposing to this means I'm actually telling that I'm not agreeing to this point okay first of all let's take a look what are writing is okay writing is a form of communication, and uh writing can be put it different different base example of writing can be academic writing okay a simple example of writing also can be put as


as uh just bringing forth my, idea and my thought to another person in the form of, of penning them down, okay another form of writing can be also for uh, writing for journals for academic journals which require a different kind of skill okay so the whole idea that are certain type of writing superior to others


I'm actually disagreeing with this saying that no certain type of writings, aren't, actually superior to, others compared to another, type of writing if you actually said, as long, as the whole idea of writing is bringing


forward uh bringing forth the message to a person you have already achieved your, target and as long as your write, has reached to a particular person okay depending on whoever you're talking to the targeted audience we have already reached our goal of reaching and bringing forth our message


so it should it should not be actually you know like uh accepted inside to be whereby you know if we are actually going to take a look at things in this way we're actually being very judgmental


right and, another thing is that if you actually take a look ah, uh certain types of writing okay I am, writing it in a very very very difficult way, I don't think that can be considered as superior writing some people might think oh if I write in a very uh uh


but you know sophisticated in a very sophisticated language or I when to use very optic uh, a words and a, huge word it will be actually consider to be ah superior writing and I don't think that is what superior writing is supposed to be a


so that the person can actually so in this way we cannot say that the superior writing or the non superior writing that's only write, okay I do get your point however uh what I am trying to uh


state is that , when it comes to uh big businesses uh they actually rely on them like for example news your newspapers and all that uh those are all actually persuasive style of writing and uh so big businesses actually rely on them to claim


valuable valuable insights, from uh the current events that's happening right now and also they can actually uh, take actions they can make their plans and decisions and on how they, can actually tweak and accommodate uh


to all these changes, based on whatever they are actually uh following up on so that's the kind of persuasive uh, writing that I'm talking about, also uh for example if you take a look at uh COVID nineteen this year so whatever that has caused whatever you know that is stated


in the press or whatsoever not uh people are taking cues from there itself so that is to me uh a form of superiority as well, and uh yup what and what would you think about that


okay uh Kesavan you've actually mentioned in your uh speech earlier saying that writing, has to be done for business reason and that also you have brought in, pointers about uh uh


COVID nineteen uh pandemic that is being reportedly daily in our social media especially mainstream social media and uh superior writing that are you you claim that you know uh writing that are actually found


in uh this form of, media that form are considered to be superior writing okay uh


if you are talking about, mass media or you know or newspaper, or digital platforms that are reporting news to be having superior form of writing I beg to differ that because there're many from of uh many of these uh articles that I've actually read that contain simple thing like uh uh


okay and I've even had read sentences that they think that they are actually complex sentences but I I was actually taken aback by you know these sentence because I can't even have a is it so if you are actually talking about superior writing maybe it


grammar or talking about the sentences or talking about the way of writing, other than the platform that the writing is it, so if you are talking that something is considered superior writing because of the platform that they are actually published in or that their platform that they are actually in then I doubt


this is actually considered to be superior writing because superior writing clearly states about, the extend writing is actually an extend so what happens is uh if we have to write something and we have to publish it and people have to read it correct or not so if you actually take a look ah superior writing or non superior writing that is no such thing is it as long as


not even be considered to be superior writing like that is what you know if if what we've actually you know mentioned about business okay like you know like inn certain business uh uh, uh scene scenarios or in certain business uh uh situations we are supposed to adapt a particular form of writing


and that is actually superior writing I beg to differ that because when we say superior writing it has when when we're actually talking about writing the whole ideas is complication and as long as we bring forward our idea, it is already there and we have actually uh you know uh achieved our


target but


according to common man okay many people would actually consider, uh you know , uh shakespeare's work to be superior writing because this our work that uh they put as uh, you know literature texts and you know many people are actually uh reading it and uh there's a lot of research being done for it and you know these are actually academic works that are


you know and students are actually uh uh, read write text, so how many people are able to comprehend shakespeare, result the heath, of shakespearean's work being actually explained to them via another person


maybe it can be actually verbal or it can be actually in the form of another text if we're actually studying literature in primary school like we've studied literature in JC it can actually clearly state that you know some students ah, we have err some other form of notes dirty you understand this kind of work so you mean tuesdays at work that is not being able to be comprehended part


it be being able to be easily comprehended by many is considered to be, superior work and I don't think that is because it, has to serve it purposed


I don't think that is superior writing it is supposed to be, something that is able to be understand and comprehend by everyone, I I do I do understand your point but right now I think we are both looking at uh we can we're tackling this in a various perspective ways


and uh, what I can say right now is that although I would really like to agree with you I'm actually looking at this script this this uh open question in a very uh, in a in a very different uh perspective


and when it comes to persuasive writing itself like making a stand in for me like I mentioned before because writing itself it's very generic it's very broad and uh information reach articles in newspapers


they are actually uh formal writings what else a formal writings and a superior like contracts and uh so these are actually superior writings to me persuasive writing journalism and, what I will differ from this I'll would be all this aesthetic and expressive forms of writing like your poetry your music compositions your your your narratives so


I get your point and I also feel like you need to look at this perspective as well when I talk about persuasive formal writings and uh you know expressive aesthetic writings so I guess we actually have different opinions and different perspective when it comes to this


I have actually ensure that uh there is no such thing called superior writing because the whole of writing is supposed to be just, bringing forth information and uh as long as it has actually reached uh uh


it has brought forward information that it supposed to brought for the people and uh it has reached there the whole idea has the whole idea of uh having, uh I think done it actually achieved uh however


if we actually take a look I guess we can actually take a look at this in uh


by yet agreeing that the superior writing has become imperial writing in the arena of academia whereby when be actually taking a look at academics but, actually if we are actually taking a look at the, the whole idea of uh looking at yes, as having ideas being brought forward when if it's going to be what


the world is working towards now, uh which is actually blurring the line between being formal and informal okay I guess we can make do with the whole idea of having superior write, in the end as, and not having superior writing because that is what the world is actually going towards and we are actually learning a lot of things and we are going towards a world that is agree or accepting as long as ideas are being brought forward and uh if you actually take a look there're some


very good article that were actually written but


you must like there're there're two part to a point and I can't exactly say that and I would actually like to wrap up our our speech here saying that yes there two parts but as long as you we actually take the clear stand of which part we actually going to be taking form


I believe that we can uh just keep to our stand and we can actually just go by what we actually standing by lah, thank you, thank you thank you very much ya okay can press stop and submit on your phone okay


okay thank you Hashwin so , I think it is uh no doubt that uh


the impact of a foreign films and TV programs uh is actually caused a greater impact and uh, and us uh and it's been happening for, a long period of time uh, films actually do have a a raw


power in the society , it it I I can say that uh this films they can either like you know inspire us uh, they can actually create an awareness, on a multiple aspects of life it can also actually uh mirror culture and uh shape our culture as well


but I would like to go in depth uh on this uh mirroring the culture and shaping it but because you see every film is a set and uh developed in a uh particular culture and they are actually an integral part of us and they mirror what we believe


and what we actually uh co exist as people, so it is easier to see our concerns our flaws our attitude our strength and films when we watched them right so then it is to decipher them from our daily uh interactions


so uh when our prevailing beliefs uh and ideologies that challenged in the films we're actually able to interrogate ourselves and it also gives us an opportunity to uh actually embrace the change and also


this has helped us to uh become, more united uh even when we are actually uh you know uh exchanging that culture after watching this film, uh talking in the same lingual or whatsoever so that actually causing an impact I would say


and also uh touching on this uh shaping our culture part uh (ppc) sorry, so besides uh you know mirroring our diverse cultures uh the film has uh actually for a very long time shaping our values and beliefs as well so uh a very good example I would actually like to highlight is uh when people actually uh you know


uh start to copy the fashion trends from actually movie stars and musicians, like for example when someone comes in a very nice suit uh then you see in the next moment itself the guys in in our society you know they start dressing up like this particular character or whatsoever so that's actually a one good living example I would say


and also it is also common these days to find societies using figures of speech, that are inspired by the film industry and also at the very least uh this, uh films that we're talking about they solidify uh selected cultural beliefs and also uh renders some redundancy as well so uh yup I would actually say uh these are actually good pointers to actually make my stand and say that uh they actually causing an impact


on our society nowadays


singapore on the culture of your society okay I come from the singapore societies to singapore is where I am in, and I'm born here, so therefore I considered this to be my, society so how has foreign element foreign


uh because if you actually take a look at the singaporean society it is a very unique society you may come from an asian background and naturally it is actually a very very conservative


and since the early days of independence of singapore we have been clearly or give poker, and we have, have had to leaders where clearly made up for, first okay on what when I say that not not to accept okay and another thing is that not everything that are actually put up


thing is that ah if you actually you talked a little bit about violence just now, okay uh you know sometimes violence being be replaced in a, movies can be actually if we actually take a look at singaporeans


society majority of us are academically in science we have had, at least, still primaries okay so as if we actually take a look at this that this stuff


we can clearly say that, we are, able to identify, we are able to clearly see what we are made to be accepted or not to be accepted many years time


we can actually see you know like uh, uh a certain programmmes that were actually you know like uh not okay and, and maybe if someone would have read a book uh book regarding it they could have actually clearly say that no you know actually or maybe they wouldn't read it somewhere else or someone would have talk to them or converse to them about this particular movie that are we actually talking about


can be accepted or something cannot be accepted so we have this ability so if we are actually trained to have this ability to actually


knew what is right and what is wrong, why should foreign, such as foreign, our culture they should not right, as long as we are able to actually be okay with this okay I can give you an example


ah okay, uh if you actually talked about, the having people having uh some uh might, it can can be happening in neighboring country, if you are going to tell is going to stir racial issues in singapore I doubt


so because there must be a bit and we are actually being taught to do all these things since young that is why schools are teaching racial harmony days that is why academics uh is is, pull itsef there are certain topic such as health, building and development then of course the students so all this thing


intangible ideas to students so that they're actually molded since, young to actually see and, identify what is that, or not not to accept right so on, my stand


thank you so back to you, okay very good uh points raised Harshwena you actually somewhere in your point you mentioned something about violence and how we actually academically uh uh well off


but then again our uh our rates are high what rates I'll tell you now so basically as a whole what I will say is that uh parenting challenges uh existing it's gotten more tough these days


because of uh foreign films that's happening right now, uh back in the days during our parents you know when there is actually a a sex scene they would get so shy but then again these days when a romantic movie comes out they make sex looks so cool more teenagers are having sex they're open to sex these days


so you're telling me that that is not an impact that's causing on this uh society in singapore, I'll doubt and also crying movie it makes a lying theme calculative, there are also genres that normal life stealing and dishonesty we do have our crime rates high for theft you would seen your neighborhoods that there's this theft there's that theft that that theft


on this day at this timing it's still happening and changes are now able to assess pornographic content online watch songs that advocate for drugs, substance abuse so these are all still happening these are all impacts that is still going on so all these content is actually leading to young boys and girls and parents can't seem to find reliable and


full proof strategies to stop their kids from accessing it so definitely there is an impact, if you ask me about it, and also uh besides you know this parenting challenges that I just, spoke about it will act some some movies they're actually


you know inspiring us I think if you I think you would be able to relate you would be able to uh uh relate to some of the points that I'm about to address right now, so basically what I meant is uh inspiration when you're watching a movie so actually a good film uh it will actually uh be able to entertain you educate you and also uh it will be in a way be able to inspire you uh in one way or another


so, think of actually like for example think of the impact of, uh that one song, that one movie, uh for example that as uh mature reflect on how you were how you were acting towards your loved ones


that is an a an example of impact as well they make us think they also make us, compassionate so, films do actually inspire us, uh to help us helping others, and of course uh


doing good to uh, to others in a way and also uh for humanity as well, okay Kesaven you've actually mentioned your viewpoints okay uh one of the first point that you actually mentioned was about parenting and the students being exposed to uh foreign if I'm wrong


wrong ah okay so children who actually been exposed to uh, foreign TV programs and because of all this thing parents are actually having a lot of parenting issues right okay you think who are the ones who actually exposing to children toall these thing kids at any state okay kid


as long even even okay kids now, watch or whatever that whatever that they see they actually adapt into that


as or there are more challenges right now I would actually disagree with you that uh for a basic reason there has been challenges, okay even during our grandparents time even during their grandparents time or even during their parents time but all these thing were not that much spoken about because there were many other issue that will present


were the ones that actually you were more bothered about rather than you know thinking that oh foreign films are the ones that actually affecting me the most you see how much of foreign film is a child going to be able to watch and


as long as the parent is able to control certain thing the child is not going to be able to watch it what, and another thing is that for the child okay for for you're talking about, children ah because I'm not you you talk about children ah talking children ya okay there's something call the theme of a child there okay no child is having iron knowledge of anything okay it is what they learn from their parent so what they learn from their parents is what they adapt and when they are watching a movie


they are actually connecting whatever force that they have actually learn whatever prior knowledge that they already have, they connect to it and they try to comprehend and understand it so


if you are telling me, that foreign films are the ones who are actually causing all these thing I doubt though it could be actually the bringing up of the, the the bringing up side of a parent we, we have the agitated look at the root of the issue rather than blaming, where okay the next thing that you have so I am actually very very clear that it is actually based on the bringing out of a parent


that the child's bringing up or the child's behaviour is greatly, affect the, and not because of foreign films or foreign uh TV programs that are actually affect the child secondly if you're actually talking about uh people


having issues people actually a lots of violence being breaking out a lots of uh uh, portraying a lot of violence that, is not helping


I would actually like you think ah uh do you think violence is new to man kind I don't think so if we read good literature if we actually look at this trade violence has been there all throughout and and, in fact people have been more violence


in the early days compare to now if you take a look at violence okay


it was okay so you could take a look at violence violence's much more greater if you take a look at the world war van the, violence that was actually showed was how greats during world war one and world war two and if these are actually world war one and world war two that is a world that is actually been ah


I'm sure if we actually take a look and read uh ancient literature ancient chinese literature ancient indian tamil literature we can actually see that there were war that were happening way before that and how gory


and gruesome that, war were actually during #qing shi huang# dynasty or during the whole idea of a the whole dynastical eye or dynastical find of china we can actually see that there were a lots of war that were going on there was and there were lots of uh you know everything that were going on and how how inhumane


the in uh in america and this are not and uh this are actually using a lot of ideologies or using a lot of you know uh uh clear thinking and trying to use you know AI and artificial intelligence or you know all this type of uh


idea it actually very difficult, and it is not about just using violence at all you see so as it has became less violence now, compared to other times and if you are taking a you look at uh our society our society okay our society is actually being really affected by other societies or well foreign films or foreign TV programmes we are able to think ourselves and in singapore we have great north and we have actually you know we come down with


good laws system here then we can try on, thank you very much for this uh debate thank you thank you Hashwena


alright so (ppc) so I'm here to talk about uh the pleasures of reading uh that can never compete with the pleasures of uh visual entertainment I would actually have to agree to this on a greater extent because I am a reader myself


if you ask if you give me an option to uh decide whether to read a book or watch Netflix I am going with the book particularly I'm a big fan of harry potter I've read all their books, and also uh when I have asked around there's actually a higher percentage of people that are more satisfied by uh no


book than uh visuals I would say uh there are actually some reasons uh it might happen that way uh basically when it comes to reading novels uh they actually unique because uh it forces us to actually use our imagination


it makes us think it makes us really focused when we are reading so this is where it matters uh we when we read we actually uh simultaneously imagining, what's happening the story as we read uh while on the other hand uh most of the time we do not imagine things uh because we're actually watching a movie and there's no time for us to actually imagine because you are already


seeing it its already picture and there's nothing that you can do, and, fantasy is different from imagination I would say like for an example watching erotic scenes it'll make your fantasy go everywhere


but your imagination is not going anywhere so when we are when when we are imagining we actually trying to debate something inside our brain, and most of the time uh there's this thing called uh dopamine and it is actually released in uh small scale as an effect so this is this dopamine is uh is a hormone that into this good feeling or pleasure


and actually this actually causes uh something to be remarkable and therefore this is uh why people are actually tend to finish a very good big, novel uh when it's good you know when no matter how long it takes to finish they actually finished a thick novel and a good movie usually does not exceed three hours duration because longer films have greater chance to make people fall asleep


and what I would say is that uh I'll making I'll make my send by saying that you know people are actually enjoy reading more than actually picturing it, thank you okay Kesavan uh as a


a days so not before this not after this the pleasures of the reading can never compete with the pleasures of the visual entertainment so if we're actually see pleasures that means there're multiple pleasures we actually have to getting people might be getting due to reading and it can never be


uh competed okay uh never, it can never compete with the pleasure of visual entertainment I strongly agree to the idea that visual entertainment pleasures people to a larger extent than feeling


even though I am a reader myself the, are many parts, take I can give you a certain example, of uh harry potter okay I'm sure most of us, have read harry potter


it is actually uh a, wonderful novel it is just not written for kids but it's also written for adult uh when harry potter was out, secondary school and, it was actually difficult for me to


understand a lots of may, words and the terms that were used in that wonderful book no doubt that is actually a wonderful book but at that age and, because of the kind of society that we are from we are from an a asian society and you know when we are not from a society that is you know uh or) we we do from that place or you know when we talk about sorceress and you know the kind of you know word that they use


word it was a bit a bit headache to me but this was totally gone when I


the the the mass public, so what happens the main ideas are actually polluted and they're make into movie and this actually helped me understand what the movie is about and make me understand where the movie was coming from and then after that I went on to with the


I have had read pleasure by watching that movie compared to actually you know just reading the book on its own so except the movie actually, came in or at a point whereby it may actually substantiated and it made me want to read the book so I can actually say that the movie was the a fact that actually helps me understand the book even to a greater extent so you mean to say so so over here I'm in this uh I would clearly like to say that just movie alone important


and coming for my


fantastic book that you all, the whole idea of our uh you know


they have never have an idea how a castle would look like or how a dragon would fly by just reading, then the child will dragon is dragon, and we do not know how a dragon looks like


like and, okay uh so if you actually take a look at the, uh


can you see me right I I can't you can't I can't see you oh better ya can, okay you can see me okay thank you so much ya Kesavan uh, so now you can hear me well to right yes okay now uh


the whole idea of uh I was talking to you about uh uh, a castles and dragon so if we have not watched a movie about how a castle looks like, if we have not watched about how I, it's very very tough for us to actually understand


what, all these things are going to be by just reading you see all these things will be meal words and maybe you know uh uh


is what it's going to give us great visual, and not just plain reading if it's just going to be plain reading the idea is not going to burn up we have, has to have visual oh as as as I, and you you know there's another thing is that many a times ah their people can people can be actually be classified into different groups people can be audio book people people can be visual people and the majority of people who are


audio, you don't have so you have to make sure that you are, able to see it and that actually goes deep into our mind it actually gets admitted to our brain and we able to identify oh this is how it looks like you see what I clearly state and I clearly that you know compared to reading just reading


visual entertainment is very very important and it is what that give ah you know it can never compete with visual entertainment because it is complete, thank you and uh back to you uh Kesavan, thank you very much uh


for bringing up about the harry potter topic because I was just going to touch on that since uh it actually going to be a perfect example for me to you know better support my stand, uh you spoke about harry potter and how the you know the visuals were actually better than what you read I beg to differ I actually uh


I'm a big fan of harry potter, I would have to stop here because you know you can't I cannot say that you know they were better than uh what I read but they helped me understand the things that I read, ya correct sorry sorry if I said that wrong but yeah that's what I'm coming to


I would actually like to state that, I'm a huge fan of harry potter uh, books then movies because the words they have used to describe a character when they introduced the character in that book, for an example luna lovegood she was introduced in the order phoenix they spoke about her hair so beautifully


and then when the actual thing came up I was uh my my reactions literally, literally my I my my jaw just dropped I mean that's all that's all you could do the way they described was so good and you know you could actually really uh imagine how it's going to be and this is where I'm coming back to imagination when you are actually reading it


with all this beautiful descriptions all this flowery words and then when it comes to, the real pictures, sometimes they don't actually match and this would actually cause a disappointment uh for most of them who are actually readers uh then they're imagining things and they when and you can bring them the the visuals


they get disappointed so that is why most of stick to or even me I would actually stick to you know saying that, the pleasure of reading it's it's never it can never compete with the pleasures of you know uh the visual visuals


like uh yup visuals and also , I would actually, my camera sorry is it my camera okay sorry, uh where was I so also uh where was I sorry


it is actually , it is actually better if you are able to uh read, uh all this good books I I also recalled you saying that you had you had trouble you know going into a dictionary finding your words and all that but then again if you are not exposed to this kind of words young you will not be able to go to your


vocabulary, uh in the young age and you'd be able to and because you were able to you know find out all this things, you are actually able to uh you know relate to the the visuals like what you said but then again from from my end I would say that whenever I read novels and whenever I uh see the movie that's related to novel so this is based on my experience right so I would usually watch uh the film that's


related to the novel that I read for example harry potter and, I've, find like I find that reading this the the the the movement uh reading describing the character they will much much better than what I actually saw in uh you know the movies


yup, okay Kesavan uh as you say you know the book was very descriptive it just a norm for book be very very descriptive but is that going to be reflective of what is, what something is going to be in in in nature because when we're actually going to look at reality it is not going to be this or that okay


book can actually just give what, what I feel is that a book is something that giving us a false idea it is actually something that's giving us a very you know uh an idea that is extremely flowered and very fluffy okay so it is just giving us you know ideas of just you know


how uh great something you know how beautiful her hair is and describing every trend and how the hair is moving and you know, so it's very clear description but if we are watching it in the movie we can't be clearly looking for the person who looks exactly like what did we read so if you are trying to say someone is trying to represent a character that uh


okay a character that you have read in the book is being represented by a living person who is trying to be like that character so we have to understand that it is a person who's playing that, what we are going to take a look when you actually watching a movie is it depends on what we actually what what what we actually looking for you see if we're actually going to deeply look at a particular thing in the movie then we can we're going to say that oh okay you know this is the one that is not going to be very entertaining for me but if we actually take a look at the movie an a very holistic manner


if we if we take a look at the movies you know in a how with this visual effect with this story line everything I think it's going to give


that might not have haven't list through that if you are going to take a look at war during the uh uh uh


sword and the sword actually actually had a particular shine and it got this heavy and you know this person was this tall with this build and all but you know we are never going to be someone who going to be living at that period of time


and are not every and everyone around that time, well actually you know uh above the height of limit two meters who will you to believe there, you know people are going to and working giants is there so is it books are actually painting to us


just uh majority of time books are actually painting to us, ideas and ideologies that are not !oops! that are not realistic but when we're actually watching movies we can actually say that ya okay no doubt there can be a lot of time


for new printed decimate you know you would you can even be no text that is on the uh computer okay so for me I would clearly state that just a visual entertainment is great however you have actually mentioned that you know uh


reading a book this, uh great fights maybe each of them, I stand oh visual entertainment is much more brief lah thank you so much