in his non academic factor into the academic so like it will actually like it can be, a stepping stone for him to work on his, academic factors, if he get into


a good school, like through, non academic factor, like through his CCA like, the CCA will help will bring him, the greater high to improve on his grade like


to improve and to motivate him to study harder due to peer pressure


I agree that like okay like there should be both like both, some uh non academic and academic factors like , for to cater to, more students


interest, ya but if you think about it non academic factors right, because it's not about studying and like and all so they are able to kind of like distress in a way


to make them feel relaxed, cause, and because they will be able to like get out of the classroom not be surrounded by the four walls they'll feel, more relax and can be themselves instead of like facing the whiteboard and just


like study and study , and to just look at papers, like it tends to be more boring, like at least like, with the non academic factor right they are able to like let loose of their thoughts


and just do something, that they enjoy very much like it's like PE classes, it helped they it helps them to like distress , like and


some people do like, do, pretty well for their PE classes such as like NAPFA and all so like, , I feel that it can be considered into, into the admission


like and they can be healthy , healthier for the mind and the body


I agree that some some students they are more, towards, the academic factors, but, in order to cater to a bigger group they should, have


they should allow, like, a balance of non academic, and academic to cater to more students to enjoy their life in school they're enjoy, their time in school so that like


in a way they will be like uh, they will be able to improve on their academic they will be able to like learn stuff , like academics, stuff, and they are able to, like


do something that is, enjoyable for them as for students who doesn't like, who doesn't really like, those non academic , factors


it actually allows them to, it actually allows them to like, have the flexibility lah, like (ppc) they're able, at least is a balance for them (ppc) is not for like uh


like it'll help them, improve on their mental, state, like at least help them, to to relax


even like okay so for example like if, they really don't like PE classes, they can choose to opt out of the PE classes, and just do what they like, but at least they should have a chance, for people for other students


to, cater to like cater to those non academic,


debate topic two


okay should chinese dialects be offered as a mother tongue option, guess they should be, offered as a, mother tongue option, as, because like


because dialects I actually important for retaining our cultural heritage and traditions so in our past right, like, dialects were the actually were the communication, they were actually


the communication language, for people of china so it was only, after then then they started this , basic chinese, which is, AK the


the the normal chinese language we are learning in schools, every every day like the common chinese language lah, so like if we, if chinese dialects are actually offer


as a mother tongue, option people who like chinese will know like where their origin is, and then they will be able to retain the cultural heritage and traditions so like for example


Hokkien, is actually from like, a, from a place in china like called, Fujian so they will be they will like, they will be able to, like


they will have the curiosity to go and like actually like, research about the place and like how it actually like come about and like the origin and the traditions because like


it'll spark, some curiosity, in them to look up, on the heritage and tradition so like, in a way they will, be more interested


in the language


okay so like to tackle the issue right maybe like they can incorporate this whole chinese dialect into their oral communication skills so for example, like during oral right


instead of conversing with, the, teacher in normal chinese language , like, they're they should, maybe converse in chinese dialects the dialects that they have learnt in school so like in a way they can practice like their dialects and


to like, understand so if you think about it right, like, our grandparents like those who are very old they don't, like, their main language is actually, the the dialects


so in a way it actually build a rapport if they are able to speak in, that, certain dialect their grandparents are, are like, speaking in so, there will not be a communication issues between the grandparents


and the grandchild like because they already have the knowledge like they already they learned it in school so they are able to use that language and communicate with their with the older people


I will agree that like having the basic chinese, it's a common kind of common , is a common language for all chinese however like it can be, written paper they will use the basic chinese


to call to like call , to test them on their basic like, for examinations , the written papers, will test them on their basic chinese how and then like oral will test them on their dialects so that like they they have


both , they have both knowledge, both knowledge for, the basic chinese and the dialects so it will actually like benefit both in a way so like if you like


so, for example you know like actually singapore like they have this indian , like indian language, they actually allows indian students to


learn hindu, urdu bengali punjabi, gujarati instead of tamil so like they have this available options for students to actually (ppc), select like they're not like


the indian students they are not limited to just tamil but they are also, like they are they have the opportunity to, like, to learn to take up, their own dialects so


I feel that chinese, for chinese right maybe like, they can also like incorporate that kind of concept, into like uh chinese language and our dialects, like


so they can they have the option to choose their interests instead of just having like, oh this wait everybody need to learn basic chinese basic chinese basic chinese this, they have an option, for their curiosity


I agree that like , because their basic is really not good enough then having to like learn something that's a upper level like the dialect it'll be difficult for them but, like okay so


in order to, tackle that issue I feel that like maybe, like as I'll propose, it proposed the chinese dialects, as optional


mother tongue language, so it is it can, it won't be a must to take, but, they can choose to take like they at least they have, an option that is open for them


to cater to cater to their interests


okay so like, dialect so like in a way, for those students who have the ability to take up that optional, uh dialect as their mother tongue they are able, at least


they're able to understand the culture heritage and tradition to, pass down, to the next generation like if we don't add it in right the next few generations right they will not, no what is chinese dialects where like because


I feel that like our this generation right, a lot of people already, the dialects, is already missing, like not everybody like know their own dialects and know how to speak their dialect so at least if there is an open option for people for students to choose right they


at least, in the future some people will know, that dialects exist, and to hopefully like pass it down to the


okay that is a very good point , but, okay so in order to tackle there right, like students with, the capability of taking up the fifth subject like the fifth like


ya the fifth subject they have the option to do it, like, they they have the option to do it if chinese dialects, are offered as mother as the mother tongue if not like


if we don't even, like, offer chinese dialect as the mother tongue language, then students, are not even they don't even have the opportunity to learn in the first place


like, so if we have right, it, it can be an optional, language for students to add like for students to choose, if they have


the capability of doing that, so it can be , , have then good for you, don't have, never mind it will like just, like, it's an extra knowledge


that is not on


so like okay I agree that it will confuse the students based on like the language like, the language use , but, if you think about it like those students who actually have the capability in the first place they wouldn't be confuse


like when they learn the language, cause in, a first place in order to like have the option of, taking up those, dialect, there are basic should


have a very strong foundation, for them to choose, but it is not a must, so it will the option will only be open for students


who actually have interest, and like have the capability of doing that, like it's not a must is an optional kind of thing ya


debate topic three


okay learning is, best outside the classroom okay I've, personally feel that learning outside the classroom is, it allows, like learning


that uses surrounding and community, outside the, classroom so like it actually like enables, like, it actually allows, people, to actually construct their own learning


and to like, fully understand, the world that is, surrounding them so like, it will lead to okay so studying outside the classroom right it will actually allow them to understand the concept of like


of, problem solving skills like is more practical, where you learn outside the, class because, whatever you learn in class may not, like allow the like


may not happen, in the society like, but if we learn outside the class right like we will be able to like meet, it'll like , to understand like


unforeseen problems and to conduct like problem solving skills and like, maybe, to improve on their life skills such as like interpersonal communication or like survival skills


so like learning doesn't evolve around like, evolve inside the classroom like it actually, evolve like outside the classroom more it's more like


as I was saying is more practical, for them to do like, like the things that happens outside the classroom is more practical


okay like I agree that like , learning inside a classroom is more conducive, for like , a classroom setting is more is, a more conducive


environment to learning, however like if, they just if they just stay in class every single time like and not being exposed, to the outside world , like it will not like breach them to a higher


learning like it will there's nothing to spark their curiosity, and to like develop skills, of, like , of non like


when they go out of classroom right, like they will meet, issues they will meet problems, so, it allows them to actually like develop a skill whereby they are able


to, to problem solving, on the spot like, which I feel that proud like, the problem solving skills can't be learnt in class because it is too conducive is is protecting them too well for them to be exposed to the society has having no chance


to like, to be exposed to all this, external issues, like unforeseen problems so like, other than that it actually like reduce


I feel that it will reduce behavior problems and improve like attendance because, facing the four walls, in the classroom like it will, because it's it's all surround


surrounded and is very and close like it actually, like it may cause, students to feel stress, out, in class, like so hence like they will not want to go to school and then like because


like it just stress them out, but if you bring them out of class right they will, have more interest, and then because like is not a classroom setting it will not be as, it will not be like, very boring


like at least it will, let them enjoy themselves, although like the point you said that like they will tend to get distracted, more they will like tend to be distracted more like outside the classroom


but, the things they learn outside the classroom, can't be learn in class inside, inside the classroom like, we are able to the students are able to learn like


skills that like like, black and white skills but they are not able to learn, like those, soft skills they are not able to learn like life skills, which


it will become a problem in the future for them


actually I agree to like what you said about like they will not get used to, like they will not in the future when they grow up like they will not, be used to the office environment of like having four walls , but like we do it's not


that like , there is no classroom setting in their learning but, we will bring them out of classroom, more so it's a, they will kind of know


like they will be able to experience both sides of the of the world like inside the classroom and outside the classroom hence, like sharpening their skills of life skills and


, academic skills and, and stuff lah, and I agree I do agree that like actually, being in a classroom will allow the students to experience a kind a more serious kind of setting


like for them to know when, the time is right to like to concentrate when they can do certain stuff when they're not supposed to do things, but, (ppc) okay


because through the experience right then they will be able to, it will allow the okay so during, like in, inside the classroom during


the classroom setting during lessons in that classroom, they will, they will be able to know the difference, as compared to like outside classroom lesson, hence they'll actually like established


a serious, kind of mindset in class, as they are like actually expose to the other option where it's more fun and more wild so, it will kind of like


allow the kids, it will kind of allow them to know the seriousness, in the future when they go


other than that, aside , it will actually allow them it will actually like allow the kids does, students the kids to actually like, nurture creativity and imagination because I feel that like


currently, all the kids are so well protected right like in a classroom settings they do not really, go wild, on their creativity and imagination


as much as, the previous generation, whereby like they are more outside, the classroom they have , outside the classroom settings, like, they are able to


if, you learn outside the classroom right their minds, are free to explore, the creative like, without, like they are able to like because you are outside the classroom you get to see more things


that's like, for example you look at a cloud staring then oh oh the clouds look like, an elephant then they'll like just start to imagine stuff, like, triggering their creativity, skills


in them like but if they stay in class right they will not be able to like imagine , anything that is out of the box, because it is so limited the things they see is so limited, like that they don't have


the option, to be creative about, cause all they see is just, walls and walls and walls yup


okay


K so the topic for our debate is schools should consider subjective and non academic factors for admission


and for me I think that this statement is true, so, so actually in twenty sixteen right MOE has actually reduced the emphasis of uh academic score and there's also like program such as the direct school admission which also helps


uh those uh students that didn't really score well at but excel in CCA to enter into their uh secondary school or poly K so, uh for my point is I think that we should consider subjective factors like part time employment performance and also other outstanding achievement for the admission to schools lah K so actually uh when I do some


research right I saw that a very interesting example is like comparing to student one is like which is born in a very rich family and they have like money for them to go for tuition and the PSLE score is like around two hundred fifty


but another student is like born in a not so like born in a poor family, but uh therefore they need to go for part time job but still managed to get like two hundred and forty nine for their PSLE score so


uh just by looking at these two uh marks right there's only like a difference of one points, but for these like currents criteria right obviously most of the school will uh take the students that score higher which is the two hundred and fifty marks however if you look at this way right the student who like sacrifice their time to go for part time jobs and like


to support their family they might might score like a little bit lower than the people from the rich family but actually they're also like uh well rounded as they have earned the experience from work and


uh from work therefore I feel that they should consider those not academic and subjectives factor, factors for school admission the reason why I think so is because firstly if you include like the non academic factors in admission this will also help to reduce the emphasis on academic alone it will helps the students to reduce the stress from exam


as you can see like from the past few years there are, students who like committed suicide due to the stress given from exams and their parents' expectation, I think right if you some students might not score well in their academic level but they might excel in other uh perspective such as their character and other non academic ~demic aspect


so I think right we shouldn't gives too much stress on to focus on the academic only , K so secondly is I feel that, uh if the school can consider subjective and not academic factors for admission


they the students will also have more freedom and they also can choose what they want to learn and study instead of just like going to tuition which is like forced by their family members which also give them a lot a lot of stress and unable to make their own decision alone


K so I also saw like some example is like almost seventy percent of the parents think that tuition is like a necessity for their children because uh, the singapore is like very, focus on the academic


level more than any other country therefore like students will be forced by their family member to go for tuition which maybe sometimes they do not want to, K so


lastly I think right schooling is like to prepare you for your future work life, where academic will only play a small part in helping you to enter into the job I think right the most important factors for you to secure and stay in the job is like working experience and


the way that you can solve like problems when you face them therefore I feel that it is more important I mean academic itself is important in one way but like those non academic aspects are also important


therefore to conclude this I would, for my point of view is I think that schools should have those subjective and non academic criteria for admission


maybe Hung-Chieh you want to state your point


so, right uh just to uh reply on what you mentioned that uh if the school shift the focus on building their characters and joining uh they would


might also have like stress from CCA right this point , I think right uh even though if they really shift their focus to like excelling in CCA all this stuff right uh they might be doing the things they like for example joining like maybe you like bowling you will join the bowling CCA and you can also excel in that CCA


so I think that it doesn't really mean that if you want to shift focus on like other non academic criteria right you might be more stressed and yeah, and for another point is right uh you mentioned that


uh, those students like who enter the for example theirs their school through like, characteristic and their maybe uh non academic aspect right they might unable, to cope and follow like graduate with their peers right their other friends


I think right for this point it's like I do agree right if they maybe might not be able to catch up with some of the fellows students but I think as long as if they are able to like


uh give more time to like study and practice I believe that they are able to cope with all these matter, yeah that's the point that I want to debate on that and also


just like for example right uh actually I mean that for uh the criteria for entering the school right, the academic factors might not be that important it's because there are so many fail successful example that they might not


excel in school but they excel in their future work life for example like steve jobs and bill gates all these they actually left their college which means that they might not be able to really score well in, their academic but they might also uh succeed in their future life ya that's all


so right just to summarise my point right actually I feel I think that school the reason why I think like the statement in our topic that we are


discussing on is like school should consider subjective and non academic factors for admission so I think , for those I think it is uh possible for them to consider but, it doesn't really mean that you need really need to do you will do bad in your for your academic it might be just like a supporting point for you to


uh which shows that you are, excel in the specific like yup like you're a all rounder like for example like those for my uni ah, there are a lot of like students who like excel both in their academic and also uh they they will also take up part time job and also go for their CCA and also I mean like


uh if I think for school right just for academic itself, it might not really show that how good the person is like maybe the student might be very good in for their they will score all A's for their results ah


but in the end maybe when they go for their work life they might not be able to cope like maybe when they face problem right they do not have the like experience to like how to solve the problem itself, however if like for students that maybe for example they have like part time job or when they are studying uh they might


uh face all the problems that they have, and they will have more experience to solve it for their future life so I feel that uh this kind of uh non academic uh factors are just like a supporting factor to make the person a more well


I mean a all rounder rather than just like only good in academic itself ya that's all


say anything


they cannot really cope with what, like they're students right ya I mean they are, classmates for this point maybe I would like to add on is like uh I think


because my calculus lecturer got say before right practice make perfect I think right as long as they are willing to spend time to practice, they're able to match up with their classmates ah yeah that's my point


okay so for the second topic we are going to debate on is chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language, so for this uh topic right for me is I agree with this statement so actually chinese in singapore chinese students are required to learn mandarin as their mother tongue in school


however right for those indian student they can actually choose their different language such as hindi at , other than like uh their like indian language which is tamil in singapore , so for me right firstly I think that dialects are important for retaining our culture and traditions in singapore


K so actually if you notice right with these dialects right it actually will makes you feel like you uh you have a sense of identity and uh a sense of belonging this makes you like unique


because like every different chinese, people will have different dialects such as like Hokkien cantonese and et cetera so actually this will also help you to get in touch with your with the people with the same culture and dialect with you therefore I I think right uh


these and also these dialects also uh is also the history from it from your past and if you get to learn all the all of these right you will know that how all these dialects come from and you will know that uh


how is your ancestor from the past like which language they speak and this give you a sense of identity so secondly is by learning this dialect officially, uh this also can help you to communicate with better with between different generation so for example for me right my grandparents always speak Hokkien and they rarely speak mandarin


so every time when I go back to visit them during chinese new year it actually makes me like very difficult to communicate with them because like when they gather around like all the relative right they will start to speak Hokkien which, uh I I never learn before


therefore uh I will just sit there while listening to them but without knowing whatever they say and I'm not able to join in their conversation this will makes me feel like, uh left out with them because uh my grandparents are from malaysia where like most of them will have their own dialects and


obviously like most of them will know how to speak their Hokkien so I think for my family itself right only me and my brother do not know how to speak the dialect so, every time I won't have a sense of belonging when I visit uh them therefore I feel that singapore can actually uh make chinese dialect point like should be offered as a mother tongue language in singapore


the uh and thirdly I feel that right uh it should be offered as a mother tongue language is that uh chinese chinese student can actually choose like whichever language they prefer maybe they might not be very good in learning chinese


but they might excel in other chinese dialect such as Hokkien or cantonese therefore this will give them a wider place to develop their potential yeah, so in conclusion I think that chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue language in singapore


you one of your point is like you mentioned that uh if they learn like other chinese dialect they might uh attack each other and like say the language to scold each other and you might not understand


for this point right uh uh just like what you say ah singapore is the first language is english so they are still of course they are still able to communicate with each other through english, and for the point is right uh if you say it this way right what about those like who learn malay and indian they are still able to you know I mean for a chinese itself right you might not be able to understand what they say which is like


what singapore is right now and for example the malay friend might say something bad , uh about you and you you are unable to know what they are saying so I feel like this point uh for chinese dialect to be uh


be one of the mother tongue language it doesn't really affect whether they might say something that you don't understand or not is as long as the person want to scold you right uh it might be like even though if you do not have chinese dialect now


uh those who speak malay and indian will also like be able to scold you and you you are unable to understand so this is my point so also another point is right actually I don't, uh agree with your point that each the chinese dialect should be like a third language for this point is it might not be compulsory lah I


I understand that not everybody is also interested in learning chinese, uh dialect , what I think is right they can be also be included sorry they should also be uh offered as a mother tongue language which is like for those student who want to learn Hokkien or


cantonese all these right they can choose to learn all these however for some students who still only want to learn mandarin they also can choose just to learn, mandarin actually it doesn't really like affect your choices is just like uh it just like open up more opportunity and more choices for you to select I feel that it doesn't really will like affect how you how the chinese people communicate right now


as they are still able to communicate through english yeah that's all


okay just like because uh I feel that even though they have like separate dialect groups right it doesn't really prevent singapore to be like one people one nation one singapore


because right uh actually we are already different like we have different race different religion for singapore itself it doesn't really show that we are like uh it doesn't


really shows that we are not one nation with those chinese singaporean I mean chinese indian and malay we are still like part of singaporean that's why I feel that it doesn't really make us like , separated even though if they learn like different language so this point is also similar to like for the chinese uh mandarin and Hokkien or cantonese right I feel that even if they are different


uh you are still able to be like come together as like a country I feel, so it doesn't really uh I feel like it doesn't really affect for singaporeans to be as one they are still able to communicate for the point you say right uh


uh they the school wanted them to learn mandarin only it's because they are able to communicate the chinese people are able to communicate using mandarin right uh actually somehow I feel that it's not really


uh how I say that it might it might be best if all the chinese people know mandarin uh, however right if you see right for some of the people if they are able to learn like Hokkien and cantonese all these right uh for my point is I feel that they are able to be more connected together because like


uh, you was other than like what you mentioned just now is like you might be more feel more connected with your family members and also your grandparents who doesn't, does not know mandarin , other than this point right I feel that they can also helps you to understand yourself better like for example


other people will ask you like uh what language you know right some people will say that they know cantonese and Hokkien all these however eh uh if they ask you back right you only say that you only know chinese and english, it shows that you are not so uh yeah not so that means it shows that you are not able to communicate well with other people who eh wait sorry just to actually


for my point is like, uh I, I feel that if you learn uh those dialects right you are able to feel more united and connected with the group of people ya that's the point I want to say


yeah okay so, somehow I actually agree with like what singapore is right now which like the chinese will stay with the chinese malay will stay with the malay for this state right actually the I think the government is uh trying to resolve this problem


therefore I think from the past right they actually know that this might happen there's therefore they will introduce like the language english, so that everybody will be able to communicate with each other , for what I think right those mandarin I mean the chinese language right is for you to be like more uh be able to communicate with your race or culture all these right so I agree that it uh all these like dialects can be a third language


I feel that uh if they if you are interested in learning it you can you can go and opt for these subject but I do agree that like, chinese is also a important part in singapore because uh we are able to communicate with each other like for singapore itself right uh I think most people like the even the elderly might know how to speak chinese but


but however for some people there might only be a minority that don't know how to know how to speak chinese but actually I saw before like the when they ask I saw like a old people who ask for direction but, they can only speak cantonese [orh] but I I don't understand what they are saying so I can only say like sorry I don't know okay


that's all


okay so for the last topic is right learning is best outside of class, for me is I do agree with this statement, just to give you a more in depth explanation learning outside of classroom is to use places other than school for teaching and learning this will also like get children and


young people out and about and provide them with challenges challenges and like more exciting experience to help them to learn better, so actually firstly I feel that learning outside of class prepare students for life beyond school for example uh in today's society right there are higher


expectation and demand for those like fresh graduates that they might they might need to have more self awareness and more specific skills so one of the easiest way to help them, advance


and be have more experience in this kind of like to gain more skills is to learn outsides of classroom so , secondly is I feel that right it can also encourage students to engage a broader range of soft skills such as like teamwork leadership and et cetera


for example is right when you bring a group a group of students out for maybe a art class you will bring them up to look at the object itself enjoy itself, it will be I think it will make them uh it will be better for them


other than just referring to a photo to draw a leave or something eh uh by comparing it with like you you will bring them out to like outside and take a look at the trees I think it might benefit them better


so uh I've heard that right for students who only study in classroom it does not really encourage them to develop like critical thinkings and problem solving and decision making skills however in this right uh if you bring them outside of


class to learn it can also it can help them to build up this soft skills which are also important for their future work life , K, so, actually uh I did a research right in twenty sixteen the school travel forum actually conducted a independent research study to find out how school trips and learning outside of class impact on the student itself


and they actually find out that sixty percent of the teacher noticed that the students' grade and, uh confidence level increase by learning outside of class other than just staying in class and listening to whatever the teacher say and looking at the textbook all these ya therefore I feel that


learning outside of classroom is the best way for the students to, learn better


okay (mmhmm) just to rebut on your point right you said that uh , it's very hard to get the attention for the students that, if you travel outside right however right uh for example you will go for like a business law lecture I think you know I mean for students you know that the notes is like full of words like you can't really read it right it it will you will get bored when you read it


however right uh if you bring them out, and explain to them like maybe some of the cases I feel that they will be more interested in listening to you rather than just sitting in the classroom and looking at the slides and reading all the very very long notes


uh however I do agree with you that like uh learning outside of class can be only don't really need to be like, uh it can be once in a while lah I feel is right at their age it can be once in a while I feel that it's better for them to learn better


for example for one semester right maybe there are like a few maybe five weeks of lesson right you you might only choose one week to bring them out , for like the rest of the weeks like four four of the weeks they will stay in the classroom to learn


like just like what you say they can also be get used to sitting down for like PSLE and O level I mean uh it is like important for them to important for them to


get used to sitting in a classroom however I for my point is like I feel that learning outside of class the our topic is like uh learning is best outside of classroom, it don't I feel it don't really need to be like every lesson it can only be like uh maybe one of the lesson then you will see the students will be very excited to go out of the classroom rather than just sitting


in the boring lecturer something like that K so actually you mentioned other than this you mentioned that, uh the, you say that if they sit in the classroom they can only focus for maybe ten to twenty minute right I mean uh maybe if uh maybe for like secondary school and primary school they will only need to study for like one hour


so for if you take this as example they will waste like maybe uh other of the forty forty minutes they will be like just staring at the teacher without unable to listen to what they actually is teaching however if you change to like and when they grow up and they go to uni right


the the classroom the I mean every class is like three hour so, do you mean that right uh maybe if they only listen to the teacher for ten to twenty minutes then for the other two hour and forty minutes they will just like sit there and unable to absorb what the teacher teach them so so for my point is right uh for our


topic is like learning outside of class is best right the I think the best word is like the part where we need to discuss about I feel that it best doesn't mean that it need to needs to be like every single lesson it can only be like one lesson which


I feel that they uh if one of the lesson if they go out to go outside of the classroom to learn right they will feel excited and cherish the chance more and also be more focused, and listen to what the teacher is going to explain


explain about the the topic yeah that's all


okay so just to rebut on the point that you say like if you they travel out is like time wasting right uh, for this right I feel that it don't doesn't really need to be very far away maybe it like just five minute walk outside of the


school they might feel like uh excited itself they are able to maybe they just ask them to go outside uh maybe to the field maybe to the basketball court and they will just sit there and when the teacher talk about like the


lesson right I think the students will still be willing to listen to what the teacher is saying, and, for the point you say right they would like to go if they have lesson outside of class they will go outside to play rather than listen to what the teacher say right I feel right


somehow, uh is one of the point that why I think why most of the class are not held outside because they won't have the mood to study, and whatsoever however right I feel that


uh just to go back to my point right is like I feel that it it is also like a best way to learn in like once in a while they'll they will be able to they they will still be able to focus on like what they are


uh learning like for example they can go outside uh to the basketball court and act out the scene I feel that is it will makes the students it will be more enjoyable rather than just sitting in the classroom and the teacher adult in the scene uh any adult that scene I feel that it's more


interesting for them to go out to have a more , to have a look at the outside and uh also I I did mention just now is like , if they go out right they will have like hands on experience maybe uh for example they will go I mean it might be a little bit far lah for like for example they go to a a factory to see how they


manufacture the products right will be I feel it will be better for them to learn by looking at it, themselves and also try how to manufacture the products right rather than they just sitting sit in the classroom to watch the videos on how milks are produced something like that ya that's why for my point of view I still think that like uh learning outside of class is the best way yeah


so for me right I went through like internship when I go for like uh that time I went for internship for my accounting job where it when I reach there right I feel that like whatever I learn is just like a, it's just a minority part for what it is for like the work life lah


I feel that uh, I get all those experience while like doing all the transaction every day so I get used to it and I understand how they work, in the work life, time, so I feel that uh


it will be better if they get like hands on experience rather than just, staying in the classroom to learn it might take some like it might be time consuming but I feel that it actually helps them to have a better understanding on the how


it works when they go out to work in the future yeah


so for me I disagree with how school should consider subjective and non academic factors for admission, so, previously Li-Ting said that, , actually there are already reduced emphasis on academic results


and also, how we should start considering factors, like part time jobs character outstanding achievement , she also made a an example on rich and poor comparison, like how, the poor is more perseverance


in terms of like the way they study then, also how it can reduce stress more freedom on what they want to do , reduce emphasis on going for tuition, ya, so this is what you have stated


firstly , if we take in factors such as part, time job character outstanding achievement, it will only make admission into school more subjective so rather than using grades alone


so non academic factors like that , as compared to a standardised exam score makes things more subjective and, we don't have a, definition on what is a good, part time job what is a good character


it's for the teacher to analyse and if the teacher analyse right, there might be , system may be misused, so, if it's through an interview to analyse whether they have a good character or good personality


they can be acting or like, how the richer one can bribe their teachers we don't know, and, also they can make donation to school so that they get higher chances of getting into a school, yeah then is unfair, also for students who did not do any outstanding things in school although they might have the potential as well but not noticed by the teacher so they didn't recommend the student


and if this, becomes a way for the student to enter a school the student might just book lick their teacher, or like act obedient in class so, I don't think this is a very good, way of getting admitted into a school


additionally the rich and poor comparison in the end I think even if they shift the focus to non academic factors right they can still go for the rich can still go for workshops and everything on how to better present themselves


or like how to have more leadership, skills that kind of thing so, in a way they can still, look like they have more potential, yeah, and they can also go to their parents' company to work part time job and get good testimonial from their


, parents which is their employer so it's not, a very objective way of getting into a school as well, regarding stress, I think if we shift the focus to non academic factors the student will be focusing on how to better


, have a better CCA performance have a better, character so they will be also stressed on how to perform well act good in school, and like, that might not be the real them as, well then


tuition wise like I say the workshop this, teacher the parents will still, ask them to go for things on how to, make them a better person, so that they get through the interview and go to a good school, and there are also


how PSLE, has many changes now, so that they reduce stress for students and have less, emphasise on result so, , they won't be so the students won't be so stressed about getting into a good secondary


uh for future work life, you said that it's important to have experience and solve problems but I think before that we need to have the basic skills as well if you do not do well in


like learning english or math, then it's very hard for you to take up the role you're going to work, in the job yeah so , for me I have to say that, subjective uh non academic factors are very subjective so it's better to use a standardised exam to know where a student stand in school so a score of eighty will show that you are competent in these skill and


it will show that you can you have the necessary skill to take on the job that, require this amount of skill lah, then, lastly I want to say that, if a student get into a school through their character and everything they might not be able to cope in that good school as well maybe their studies is not as good as those who entered the school with the targeted score then they


would even, be very stressed because they have to compete with students who are better than them, and, ya they might not be able to graduate with them as well or they may have to retain because they cannot follow up what they are learning in their school so


it may not be a good thing as well


how you students can study and practice then they can cope and follow up but at the same, time they also have to maintain their CCA like maybe if they get in through good character or good CCA they have to maintain their CCA, they have to maintain a good character, then they have to study and they have to


practice so there's, a lot of things that they have, to do at once and, maybe if you are talking about secondary school student they are studying nine eight subjects, there's a lot of things that they have to cope which, I think there's still stress in it then


for bowling CCA then do what they love, , if that is the case right they might as well enter a sports CCA a sports school instead of a, uh a school that


study right so that they, don't have to focus on academic results anymore


bill gates example I think, okay these are the very few examples lah s that, they do better without going to a school uh without having to study until a uni or something they stopped at college right


so but for a normal students who, might not have the potential or like the entrepreneur skills like them they still have to go through a normal route of getting a degree and everything then, then


if they get to a uni through, their non academic factors


we should still maintain a good, I mean we should still focus more on grades, instead of non academic factors, to maintain the objectivity and fairness of admission so that, when , we know where a student stand when they enter a school and we know


how, well they can, cope with what, we give them in school, so this system will, ensure that, no one can misuse it, by kind of like


faking their way through


the example you give about how your school, takes in student, through an interview, to know if they have the potential at the same time you have to look at the dropout rate of, a uni as well a lot of people cannot cope because of their financial problem and everything


they have to do, they have to stop their school for a while I do have a few, people I know who, decided to drop out of uni because of the stress they get, as well as how, uh financially they cannot, cope


so they have to stop schooling to focus on other things before they get back to school, so if you say you want to look at a person through their, other factors like experience and everything, I think, we also have to


see whether


thank you Li-Ting so , for, following what Li-Ting said she agreed with how chinese dialect should be offered as a mother tongue she said is to retain the culture, and, learning about the history gives her a sense on, identity


additionally she also mentioned how the indians in singapore get to choose they get to learn hindi tamil, uh different language and learning, dialects also help them with communication and, lastly they might excel in the dialect that they choose to


learn as a mother tongue, so for my point I think that chinese dialect should not be offered as a mother tongue language in singapore, because first uh wait to rebut her first , if you want to retain the culture you want to have a sense of belonging you want to communicate with your grandparents you can actually do all this thing voluntarily instead of through school like how you say only left with you and your brother who do not know how to speak that language


sorry , you guys can actually take initiative to, learn it from your parents learn it from your grandparents so that you guys can uh, do not, find any difficulties from communicating with them the next time you visit them, and


for how indians get to choose according to what I read online is because, for india they actually have different, , people cities using different, indian language ya but for


china they mostly use mandarin which is the reason why singapore focuses on using mandarin as our main mother tongue, so that we can better communicate with, our china clients so lastly we


are talking about the freedom on choosing what they want to learn and some, students might excel in Hokkien so, uh what I think is that, currently singaporeans, more and more singaporeans are english educated, so I don't think


putting dialects as a mother tongue will encourage them to actually focus, more on, the second language I think a lot of people focuses on english because uh mean that's the language most people use to communicate that's why they only


put their emphasis on one language without learning, the second language open, ya okay so, moving on to my point I think that chinese dialect should not be offered as a mother tongue language because there are many different dialects


like Teochew Hokkien, cantonese a lot so, I think we should just focus on one because, if all the dialects are offered then, all those that learn cantonese, choose to learn cantonese will not be able to understand those that choose to learn Hokkien


then there might be, a communication barrier as well, so , I think it's good that we chose mandarin as a common language for all the chinese to learn so that we can all the chinese can understand, each other


and it will not make communication difficult, at the same time it will also foster unity like, we will feel more bonded, everyone speaking the same thing instead of like uh, Hokkien speaking to someone


who is a cantonese and they might not be able to understand one another and, in fact, people might start using the language they learn to attack another person thinking that they might not be able to understand what I am saying so it's not


a very good thing as well, I think, dialect should be learnt voluntarily, instead of making it a compulsory language that, I mean, instead of substituting mandarin in school so it can be offered as a third language for those who wish to


learn, and in fact in nineteen, seventy nine government has already, tried to overcome the challenges of having many dialects by launching this speak mandarin campaign to promote mandarin as a common language among the chinese singaporeans


so they actually had this objective is to simplify the language environment, which is what we want to achieve so that, , we don't have too many people speaking different chinese language that confuses one another, and then we also can


improve communication since everyone are speaking the same common language, ya so, this will be able to help one another understand each other better


argue thing I would want to say, this is the reason why we want to reduce how, different like reduce, the different dialects, so, we can reduce such, cases from happening


ya then, if we actually, try to uh, the second point about how we can offer, like a choice to choose more opportunities I'm trying to say in that case


the other if you choose another language right you actually missing out on learning mandarin so if you choose to learn Hokkien you can't learn mandarin, then it also, doesn't help when you communicate with someone who learn


mandarin so we want, people to be bilingual meaning we can, speak chinese we can speak english, so that's why we offer a mother tongue language for students to take up, but if you say we don't have to focus on mother tongue we can just use english at the end of the day


then, that's not the point of why schools offer mother tongue language because we want people to be able to speak


learning different dialect does not prevent us from eh, will still allow us to remain as one nation, right but actually if you look at how we are, how singapore is now we are actually


there is still, underlying cases, of how, the chinese stay with the chinese the malay stay with the malay, indians stay with the indians so if, there are already such a case and we introduce dialect in


we will have like, the Hokkien stay with the Hokkien the cantonese stay with the cantonese the Teochew stay with the Teochew the malay stay with, the malay the indian stay with the indians then there will be more groups more different groups of people, and I think it will only cause us to uh is harder


for us to foster a bond, between one another that's how I feel because it will be like uh maybe, maybe people will be like , uh she learn cantonese I, uh she's a cantonese I'm a Hokkien then they will feel we are different I have


my own sense of identity you have your own sense of identity, so yeah, that's why I, feel that we should all stay with one language so that, , we all have the same sense of identity


then, additionally uh also want to emphasise how, english and mandarin are actually the languages that we are, relying on a lot now for a living like people we communicate with for in the economy basically china


which is rising very fast is mandarin and, america is english so I think more emphasis on these two, language would be , much more, useful for us economically as well yeah


thank you


thank you Li-Ting uh so what Li-Ting mentioned is that she agreed with how learning is best done outside the classroom which is using places other than the school to learn, so it also prep , the students about life beyond school where they can actually learn soft skills


such as like critical thinking skills problem solving skills, et cetera and also how, an example given was art class which is easier for them to visualise , and yeah, then lastly she mentioned about, the research done in twenty sixteen about how students' grades and confidence increased because they stopped staying in class to study


and yeah so uh firstly I think that learning outside the classroom, I disagree that it is, learning is best outside the classroom but I, think once in a while would be good but it also depends on the subject as well because if learning outside


the classroom is good then why are majority of the classes still held in the classroom and, about the soft skills, that you get, when you learn outside the classroom, I think learning in, class can also get such soft skills like for example working on a project with your group members you also have to learn how to communicate with one another you learn teamwork


and if, there are challenges where your group cannot settle, you also learn problem solving skills and critical thinking skills as well so these are things that can still be held in a, classroom , and these are skills that you can still gain in a, classroom and for art class


I agree with how, you can visualise things better but then, also if you were to brings you have to take note of how if you bring students out, for, an art class or for other classes, you the travelling time is


there will be a travelling time so you are wasting time on travelling in when you can actually spend more time on learning as well, then, you also have to get parents' permission and also safety issue when you bring students out right uh there are a lot of things that the teachers have to look out for


like they might be a lot of, cars or something that, they have to be careful of uh so if you were to stay in school I think , the student is much more protected then, lastly about how research shows that grades and confidence level of students increases because of how they actually went out


I think, uh a teacher can also try to make it more uh engaging, uh make a lesson more engaging in class so they can actually have different activities which challenges a student's, , critical thinking skills so that they learn how to think out of the box


and, when they do well in such an activity I'm sure that their confidence level will increase as well and also, if a teacher can be more encouraging in class, I think their, they will student will be more confident they will their grades will increase as well if a teacher teach well


then, moving onto my point about how learning if, not good, like how I disagree with how learning is, best outside the classroom I think when you learn outside the classroom it's harder for the teacher to get the attention of the student because they are exposed to so much more distractions and especially since students' attention span is quite short I


think it's good that they stay in the classroom so that the teacher can get at least the, first few the first ten, to twenty minutes of the attention span of the students to transfer as much knowledge to them as possible, and also if they were to go out in such an open space it's very hard for the teacher to supervise all their students as well if their students have a question the teacher might not be able to know


uh like like because, everyone is so separated in the open space the teacher might not be able to know which student needs help which student don't need, then, learning in the class provide students a positive environment as well because


the weather, because if you were to go out right the weather might be a bit hot for the student, then their attire, like the uniform is so tight as well it can cause them to feel very uncomfortable when they are outside


and also there might be a lot of different noises, like people talking people walking around it might also distract them yeah, so when they lose focus it affects, their productivity as well and, about how we are trying uh singapore is trying to reduce the school hours for students I think it's best that we don't spend so much time travelling out and also


just, let them focus in class so that they are, productive within that one hour in class then they can leave off school earlier and, yeah then, additionally,


additionally they students have to sit for exam, in the uh, like the A level exam PSLE O level exam they have to sit down for a long time so I think asking them to sit down in class will help them as well so that they are used to the


environment the, atmosphere of sitting in class and when they are seated in class with their friends they can uh communicate easier with them side by side they can ask questions when they do not understand and they also can solve


uh challenging activity together with their friends side


business law lecture, I would like to say because ya I there's a lot of words that, uh for a business law lecture so, I think, staying in class will help them better, understand because they are more focused if they were to go out and read maybe they read first few lines then they look at the people


walking pass and then they read next few line they forget what the first few lines are already, but ya, and about how the teacher can, wait, then, about the cases I think the teacher can also, do it in class where they act out the scenario


and I think as a teacher act out the scenario it will help the student a lot in learning as well because it makes the whole, uh session more engaging, ya I think a lot of things can, uh instead of relying it on learning outside a teacher can actually do a lot of things that makes it engaging instead of having to leave the classroom


which makes , it not safe as well ya and also time, wasted when they leave the class then about the, attention span that I mentioned , there are also breaks given


for the student to leave the class so I think once they had their break they will be able to focus again and will be able to absorb I don't think they will not want to absorb for the next two and a half hours because after all they're, in school to study so yeah


and about how they will be excited to go out to learn I think, because uh students stay in class most of the time, then, if one day you say you want to bring them out they will be excited to go out and play instead of go out to learn so I think they will cherish the time to go out and have fun and spend that one hour maybe having fun with their friends instead of gaining new knowledge


rebutting about the going to basketball court to learn I think, weather plays a part also if it's too hot I don't think and humid, a person might, find it hard to focus and listen to the teacher as well, then


instead in a classroom it provides a comfortable setting and environment for the student and like, is cooling the atmosphere is good they are comfortable in their seat so I think it helps them a lot with their productivity and learning in class, uh for the hands on experience since we already have the internet and visualiser I think they can actually watch it online so they do not have to


travel down, to, look at it hands on and experience it hands on, and I think


okay so you say that like it's about like meeting the demands so but then I feel that sex work is just not is not as simple as exchanging , services for material compensation it boils down to a more severe acts of human violation like who are the people providing sex work and how willing are they like majority of the sex workers


are not given a choice to choose like it involves so much harm and trauma that it cannot be seen as a commercial business like the one you said like Amazon where exchange of services are based on willingness okay so according to the United Nation there are more than four million victims of


uh sex trafficking globally children and mostly women so, and this problem will only get worse if sex work legalised so if there is more demand people will want to tap on this industry and profit from it, so how to profit from it they will just like uh force people from like rural areas and not so educated women and like lie to them that they have a they will have a better job


but then they actually put them into this kind of like uh travel traffic them into like the countries with such demand and they cannot escape from it cause they don't really have much money and most of them will like take away their earnings so that they will continue generating profits for them


so so my point is by legalising sex work people can now more openly demand for it and in order to meet this demand right sex trafficking will increase and this was observed in austria which legalised prostitution Nah


so legalising sex work would inherently promote sex trafficking which has no grounds to be seen as not evil , so another group of people who engage in sex work are often-ly are often poorly educated and forced into uh prostitution by the opportunity of uh


but lack of opportunity so this brings back to my point about willingness , uh how willing are the sex workers even if you, uh like legalise it that does not like make them more legal to do what they're doing they're forced into it like uh because they have they're not educated


they don't have uh opportunities and all they're like being like traffic so you cannot choose a job if you don't have a choice and by criminalising and uh crack, it's only by criminalising and cracking down on such


service exchange of services they can better provide help to sex workers like what you say that we can, like what you say like they can like seek medical help and then we can provide a better uh we the can then provide better help to sex workers and open other opportunities for them and also


so like sex workers uh, often of are abuse in the uh during the transaction like they have like, uh abusive clients so like , do you think they will be willing to like engage in sex work so I don't think that uh


sex work should be legalised in any way


okay uh okay so you mentioned that like uh, by legalising sex work right uh the women will have a choice to like like have a outlet to seek their justice okay so but I believe that like if you if you criminalise it


not only like the not only the person providing the service will be penalised the person in uh demanding for the service will be criminalised too so I think that like uh for the bigger uh part the bigger point of why we criminalise uh


sex work is what we want to like cut off this demand so that there will be no uh no such if no no demand then no business then women will be better uh like will have other to look at they have more opportunities to seek either better-seeking jobs


uh like besides selling their body so like and also like uh, can you mention your uh s second point again


okay so okay wait this is like so this is what I said like uh if you criminalise it the person uh and like the whole industry will be will be penalised and the point about doctor and


uh other occupation is just not as relevant as sex works because, the because of the trauma involved in sex work itself and, like compared to being a doctor and then uh


that if and you said that they will uh if you uh legalise it the people providing the sex work will hanging, documents to the government about what service what kind of service they provide right but they're always but as I said as I mentioned there's this problem of uh sex trafficking which is illegal


so if they so this portion this sex trafficking problem will not get better even if you legalise it because these activities are illegal and there is no way that, uh even if they provide this service they will hand in documents to the government


so it doesn't uh it doesn't solve like the deeper problem of like uh human violation involved in sex work which is uh sex trafficking ya so I feel that uh that if you are saying that


uh we should legalise sex work so that people uh the the authorities can better track what kind of service and regulate then you're not considering the point about sex trafficking and how what trauma it can bring for what kind of trauma it can bring for the victims


okay so you said so you said that like sex uh king is a another topic by itself but I feel that it's closely related to sex work cause it cause


that's what is providing the supply and also like uh you mentioned that sex sells and Hollywood are all constantly selling it but uh like as you said we are progressing as a war that there are there are more cause to like


to for like Hollywood to be more like like for women to like show less uh of their body and feminine like feminism is on the rise and like they don't want to sell their body and like uh we should, and and so like uh women are sick and tired of being objectifying in movies and all that so I feel that if you are ing promoting sex work


we cannot we cannot uh, progress at the same pace of feminism, about like hit a big women being uh objectified because sex work is basically objectifying the the women which are mostly the one who are engaged in such services


and then uh and sex work I don't think can be , like uh get separated from sex trafficking which it's what provide the supply ah ya what's your what's your second point again


okay so wait so, uh you said that legalising sex work will, uh again what's your point


if like uh I don't think that uh gaining more respect equates to less crime towards them because I feel that uh those who are buying this service


like uh like which are like which are like uh the one abusing the sex workers even if legalising them they uh, they will feel that uh they would uh respect doesn't actually will increase because


uh it is legalised just like uh, how like if you buy some if you like in and out at restaurant like most like they're they're also they will always be like, uh demanding customer who thinks that uh customers are the god so uh the abuse will not stop towards them even if it is legalised so the best way to like crackdown this kind of abuse towards


women and like for the for the society to progress uh and like so the or women will be seen as equal is to stop sex work sex uh sex works ya I mean


okay so my point is that charity work should be made compulsory for everyone cause , we need to like identify what is the angle of charity work so


it is I I believe that the angle of charity work is to benefit those who are in need (ppc), okay in so I give you some statistics so in twenty-eighteen probably twenty-nine twenty-nine-per cent of the population in singapore the volunteer were so this is the whole population of singapore in general including students who are made to do compulsory charity like VIA project so


if we minus of the the the percentage for the students to only narrow down towards adult , the percentage of population doing charity work will sure will surely decrease


so the low participation rate of population should suggests that we need to conform people to do it uh cause volunteering provides many benefit for the one for the people at the receiving end and also the people at the dispensing end so


if I do charity work I can feel better about myself I see uh I I kind of get a better scope of like what uh the populations are doing and also like the one receiving help they also benefit in terms of the help that I've given


so given that there's such obvious opportunity uh uh obvious benefits , to a uh charity work and voluntary we should definitely make it compulsory let me illustrate to you lah we can all agree the importance of savings right like it can help us plan for better retirement and tide for economic


tide over economic hardship especially during this COVID period we see like the importance of having uh savings as many people are are retrenched during this this uh during due to the pandemic, so can see that such obvious benefits to savings so


but but, although everybody recognise the benefits of savings and volunteering but they might not do so as they want to fulfil their immediate wants which is like, just like uh just like charity work many recognises the benefits it has for the society but they do not do so because it requires commitment and action on their side and like just like people recognises the benefits towards saving but uh


but, they don't do it cause they want to buy whatever they want right now, so if people cannot, cannot be trusted to do uh what is of their best interest and the best interest of the society in general the greater good of


so the government will obviously have to step in to enforce uh compulsory charity work on just like how the singapore government enforces compulsory saving in the form of CPF so, I believe that these two uh


are similar just like the uh obvious benefits that it uh has for the population so given such obvious uh benefits right we should and definitely enforce charity work


okay so you mentioned that uh if charity work is made compulsory people who are in need also need to provide the uh provide the charity work also they might feel that they uh do not have the capabilities to provide such uh work but


but I feel that it's uh the everyone can always contribute doesn't have to be monetary can just be your time uh so, uh there is no such thing as uh nobody can cannot like uh not able to contribute enough and also since I said that uh charity work should be made compulsory I believe that it should be regulated by the government just like how they regulate uh like primary students that uh


uh uh in tertiary secondary and primary education or like through VIA projects and what kind of projects they can , take up so like if it is made compulsory the government can make uh can also like regulate the kind of services that uh


the adult population can do so which is which is more feasible than which is a more feasible form of enforcement so that okay so that people who, uh are in need can provide the services that they can they can provide the help that they can uh for other the people and those who are in a better position


uh can help can do even more like in terms of monetary , so like, this problem about like the people who are in need also need to help they might feel overwhelm will be solve, through like the regulations and also about the intentions and you mentioned that if people don't do it with uh with good intentions like uh the person that you mentioned that like do it for like to to uh for child paedophile


so we must own we t and you say that people uh the intentions must with uh intrinsic so that people like will be more uh will be more willing to help and the help will be more necessary uh more helpful, but then uh I feel that


since like as my like my point about the government regulation about charity work so it since the government has such clear information, uh about the population uh the so they will like so they will know like those with criminal offence of uh any pornography or paedophile uh intentions will not be uh sent to help those children and ya so


so this is the benefit when it comes to uh making it compulsory so that government can regulate it and, better match the or the the target audience of the people and also uh if you said that if the uh people must do it with good intentions


but uh, if is and so that will help can can occur but, how many people have those kind of intentions and the time and the willingness and the discipline to help others


so in services so like small percentage percentage of the population so , and if there's only uh like, uh so few people engaging in uh charity work there would I don't think there would be like a huge change or like a


meaningful change for the people in need so this is this goes back to the uh objective and of uh making charity work compulsory to benefit most of the people and the greater good


and the government can do so better through if we made it compulsory


okay you mentioned that uh, you will lose autonomy of uh the choice of charity work that you can you will be able to engage if you if it's regulated which I do not think so you can choose how much you want to uh top-up into your CPF and also how much you want to take out so like and also like there's a lot of autonomy I believe that uh


if uh you just have to ask for it and uh and you'll have the chance to do it and also you mentioned that uh like the students don't understand the real meaning behind it but if you'd at if you don't give them the opportunity to they will never


they will never uh engaged in charity work just like you see how much how many adults are engaging in charity work so these adults are having children who are in schools and if the if their parents don't set an uh it's like an example to uh volunteer to do charity work


their children will likely not volunteer at all and charity work will be very out of touch to them they will not they cannot grasp the idea of charity work so what the what the government is doing now is basically like in schools making it compulsory so that students


when they are engaged in this kind of uh charity work they they know that such a concept exists and they like through what they are doing to help they will, they will , they will uh be able to like continue this kind of work in the future and find meaning to it and I do not see like the


problem with uh them uh the problem with, doing charity work for your own good to feel good because that is that is a benefit and you can , uh greatly help those people who have like uh who feel that they're not in they're not useful and so if you if you can be of help to other people through this like compulsory charity work


then you will feel uh more meaning to your life this is what charity work brings about so you can it as long as the end goal is the benefit to benefit those who are in need, uh and another benefit and external externality the positive externality is that you feel good about yourself there's nothing wrong with feeling good about yourself it pushes boosts confidence and all these and all that thing so so I don't see a problem with


uh your motivation of doing charity work being yourself because the end goal the the positive impact you generate, will be there so ya so I don't see uh it as a problem for intentions to be for yourself yeah


okay so I believe I personally believe that death penalty should be abolished for a few reasons that I'm going to state below so uh in singapore people can be on death row for drug trafficking and murder


so these crimes are usually committed by young able bodies who has still a long way to uh in their life so uh I believe that people who are sentenced to death are relatively young, and they had they deserve a second uh chance in their life to be guided to the correct path


so uh if you uh and so by giving them death penalty you basically deny the chance for them to change to to be guided in the right way uh deemed by the society, and uh ya so uh if and also like as in what I say


they do not uh they deserve a second chance so if uh people are given wrong sentences and uh sentenced to death penalty basically they , if they those innocent people will never have a second chance in their life so basically we are abolishing death penalty are giving second chance to more people and more innocent people who are wronged for their crimes and also just like what I say


those uh people who commit these crimes are relatively young so there might be external reasons as as to why the crime was committed were they pressurised to do so were they influenced to do so, are they like guided misguided by people because they were too young to understand anything so


and these are uh external reasons that, the law failed to uh will not, consider in giving them sentence they just see the action that they produce which is murder drug trafficking but they don't uh really go back and uh we don't really consider as to why they they were forced they were they were doing this so if if they were misguided


it's high uh high chance that if you give them prison time and like during this time they have uh, a better chance to be guided and uh think about their crimes


they will uh they will uh do more good the society than just uh killing and dangers like ending their life because they were misguided they didn't have a chance to be guided in the wrong way so that's why I think that uh they deserve


by abolishing death penalty by giving second chance to more people, to younger to young people from misguided and then they can through their jail terms instead of death penalty they can when they come out uh after to into the society they can uh provide more good to the society and


uh basically made up for the crime that they have committed


okay so so you say about like kant's argument about people should be able to make uh rational decisions right


kay so what about what if I bring out locke's argument who said that people are inherently evil , and uh, like they will do like uh like in like


inhuman stuff so there is so there uh so there is a need for government that's why a government is in place to regulate such behaviour, and I and in order to like regularly I think like jail term is the best lah and and also like you say that like eighteen year like uh in most country uh you're saying uh death penalty should not be abolished in most most country


but like actually like most countries are progressing towards uh uh abolishing death penalty because death penalty was like, like an older like a very barbaric way and old like ancient way of punishing


criminals and ya so where the slation systems are way like not as developed as uh modern times where we have like metal we have like jail we have more jails and like they're like back in that can uh keep punish that can keep more criminals in base so


basically like uh in the olden days these are these are the things these uh like the jail the development of jail are not as, made the development of jail in jail of jail are not as advanced as today's time so they have to resort to uh kill like giving death penalty which is with and times have changed so everyone are actually progressing towards on abolishing death penalty even singapore we is


deemed like having super strict laws they're also like uh (hmm)


given more lacks and then yeah so and you mentioned that eighteen year uh like uh for most countries they they only , gave death penalty to people who are eighteen year old and are deemed


more rational but this as like what you say they're deemed more rational they're deemed so this is like a perceived argument so how do you know that this person even if he's twenty one years old he is, uh rational, if you are like uh trapped in the estranged childhood and you have uh your during your whole time like uh you do not have the right company the right environment you always will be trapped in these misguided form even till you're twenty one


so age I don't think uh determines whether you are rational, or you are not rational so, though and we have to find the cause of such irrationality and and uh not just not uh not give them another chance to be rational again in the right environment


in cases like you said that people can like at such young age can be uh developed the evilness in them I also feel that kindness and like can also be developed so if you just give them a second chance, which is what the death penalty stripped them off so I feel that everybody hasn't should be given a chance


to be guided in the right way like and also like you raised an example about, the two ten years old ten year old murdering and also have an example about like these uh enstrangled estranged mum who who like uh have been constantly disdaining her


her daughter as like being mentally ill and have a lot of illness and like , making her sit on wheelchair for uh for all her life and like uh basically just utilising her daughter to gain uh sympathy so when her daughter like cannot take it one day she decided to kill her mother


so do you think like this is justified, do you think she should given be she should be given death penalty, ya do you think she should be given death penalty


ask what constitute a first degree murder, isn't that what the daughter did


so you are saying that death penalty should be should be should retain should be retained for first-degree murder then err for in the case of singapore , death penalty should be uh death penalty also so


instead of for those who truck to traffic drugs then what do you think do you think that uh death penalty should be should be still be still should still be uh in place for them


so but I believe that if death penalty this idea that uh death penalty is, should be implemented and, uh, it doesn't it gives like other crimes


a chance to be prosecuted to for on on death row to be uh so this uh whole idea of death penalty should just be abolished so that no government can use this as an excuse to prosecute their own uh opponent or like for


prisons that majority deemed as uh as deserving of a death penalty because if you institute this idea that death penalty should be allowed for first-degree murder, then those who uh those who are victimised by death by drug trafficking second-degree murder that third-degree murder they would also think that uh they're the crime the crimes they're they're suffering should uh should be the the criminals that commit this crime should also be


given death row because of this retributive instinct that most of the people have, so uh this twist total idea will uh bridges implicate towards more other to all other crimes also


okay so uh my stance is uh sex work should be legal for uh all countries then uh basically my points for uh why sex work should be legal is because lah in today society there's always constant demand for sex work


and since there's a ant constant demand you if you criminalise sex work it disallows sexual violence victims to seek justice appropriately and lastly because we are in the increasingly uh progressive society , and laws could be changed easily like how we see in the black lives matter the uh black lives matter protest in america right now uh lives uh laws can be changed easily to fit into today's context and abandon uh traditional laws that does not does not uh seem progressive enough for today's context


ya so these are basically my three points and, uh okay so I'll start off with my first point first why uh about how there's constant demand for sex work, so in today's context and in today's like economic situation uh there's always the context of uh demand and supply so when there's a demand uh


supply needs to be given to fulfil the demand so this is why jeff bezos and and jeff bezos created Amazon and how the industry become so lucrative right now because, like there's a lot of demand for it so uh in twenty fourteen the sex work industries uh worth about an estimate of two hundred and nineteen million the how much the sex industry is


world is directly related to how people uh how people demand uh sex work and how people demand different form of, sex uh sex business in today's world such as pornographic materials such as massage parlour uh


prostitution but in the legal sense uh ya so, in today's world where there's alternative options of sex work such as creating OnlyFans account and ya during the circuit breaker period and during the quarantine period OnlyFans account OnlyFans saw a surge in their network due to a larger uh influx of people uh opting for sex


opting for sex work and sex uh relief during this period so, in today's world the sex industry is estimated to be worth much more and since there there's a constant demand for sex work we should not put down sex work and decriminalize sex work and prevent the people who are offering sex work from uh getting uh legal and getting protection for what they're doing because what they're doing is as


as simple and as equal as people from other industry providing a same uh same form of service for, for their for people who demand it and since that we are the one who demand sex work we should not criminalised or shamed people who want sex work and hence sex work should be legal to protect people who give it and also offer uh


to and also, there's a supply for the demand we currently have


okay so uh summarising what you say is mostly because like sex work, sex work there's a lot of willingness that goes into sex workers out uh seeing whether they're willing to engage in sex work or not and because if you legalise sex work the the likelihood of sex crimes would rise and hence going back to my previous topic of demand you


you said that because there's demand you cannot fully comprehend the ethical ethical aspect of it and to see whether the people who wants it are really willing to give it, however I would like to like highlight the topic of the debate which is sex work so basically the woman who are engaged in sex work uh taking out the doing we're looking at a broad broader context of people who are engaging in sex work means they're fully they fully comprehend that


they're are doing a occupation just like all doctors police all these they're offering a service just like


where whether they're willing or not willing to do it, , we shall address later if you actually legalised sex work you offers protection to the woman who suffer abusive, uh abusive, uh abusive trials during sex work such as you said there's sex trafficking and there's like


okay in south africa actually women are uh often-ly uh put down during sex work where they where theft ah and armed robbery happen when they are engaging in the sex work but, they're are unable to seek justice for themself for because their work is illegal and they are unable to go to the police about it and hence in the rural part of south africa a lot of women are suffering in silence because


uh drawing right back to the fact that their work is not legal in the first place and hence if you go back to the point where you said that uh women are being abused during the sex work and they're not willing to do so if legalising sex will provides them with a safer environment to carry out their work in a justified manner


if we put it in today's context we draw to any other occupations that are legal such as being a doctor if being a doctor is being a doctor or being a police if, it's not legal they're unable uh to seek protection where they where they needed in their uh day today where they make mistakes and all this and hence decriminalise uh criminalises sex work put sex workers at risk of violence and


unnecessary abuse and also you mentioned that during sex uh instances of sex trafficking for sex trafficking right, if you criminalised sex work they're they're able, they're unable to track and uh know who are who are in the sex work industry because if you if you legalised it they need to submit legal documents to the state and saying what is their job scope and what is it like so the state will have a document of


what exactly is their job scope and what what kind of business do they engage in what kind of the lines of their occupation and the state and the law enforcement will have a greater idea of what kind of work they're engaging in to better provide them support and hence decriminalising sex will just


allows all these women and men to go under the shadow and go under the cover and unable to seek justice for all the crime they, they have went through and hence actually commit uh legalising sex will allows all the all the people all the women and men to be able to seek justice for yourself


criminalising sex work disallow sexual violence victims to seek justice so when they are faced uh with injustice during their work they cannot seek justice for it


okay so uh linking to what you said just now basically you mentioned that uh we should uh uh criminalise sex work to curb the demand for it and uh because when there's no demand there's lesser likelihood that, sexual violence and this kind of thing uh sexual violence and sex trafficking and all these kind of bad uh things associated with sex which would happen and also the point that about sex trafficking where handing in legal documents doesn't guarantee sex trafficking victims from guaranteeing protection from this kind of crimes


and hence I would like to address the first point first that, I feel like there's always going to be demand for sex work because for the simple fact that sex sells, are all cause Hollywood we're taught that ly provocatively dressed women are around the streets or in the magazines we're all taught to dress up to look well everyone even though it's a human nature to


demand for sex and to want sex and hence the sex industry is constantly booming the pornographic industry is worth a lot, and because sex work also includes pornography and also includes uh trading of photos and all these uh sex work that happened in our technology technologically advanced world and hence


there's always going to be concerned demand of sex work ask it will not explain the boom that the pornographic industry have in the vast amount of photos and videos and all the problems that associated with sex work such as, deepfakes account are happening and such as sex trafficking all this and it's a known risk


but however the demand is not going to stop anytime soon especially due to our technology technologically advanced world and hence the only way to to, to uh better uh better treat the issue of sex work is not to criminalise it and curb the demand for it because people will only find underground methods to to justify their way of


demanding sex work the only way to conduct sex work is to provide a safe environment through legalising it and giving a specific a specific trial and specific ways that we should conduct sex work and this will only allow the people to be in a safer environment


and hence I feel like since that the demand is constantly going to be there, the way to treat sex work is not to uh push it down and decriminalise it but to legalise it to provide a safe guideline for what people should do, okay and then secondly uh linking back to the sex trafficking point the sex trafficking point says that uh


we should we should, sex trafficking always happens because like the women for the women who are getting traded into the sex world and all these they do not have a choice and if you would legalise it they don't have a choice to do all these kind of thing but I would like to say that for sex trafficking the women are not the one involved


the people who are it conductor in this kind of bag practice bad practices are often-ly the people who engage in you which means all the all the higher-ups all the people who sell all the like jeffrey epstein who is involved in child sex trafficking this kind of thing so I believe that


for women for in sex work in general it is a work and not relating to the point of sex trafficking which is another point in itself of how the bad things will happen if you talking about work in itself the ethical work legalising sex will only bring more benefit to the sex workers as they get


state protection of their work which is recognised and justified in their society and on my last point, I feel like legalising sex work can uh decrease the amount of shame brought to the sex workers since it's a ethical job in itself, you shall not shame sex worker for providing a service that people constantly demand legalising it shows that the people stand behind them in what they should do and in what they do and showing appreciation for them in the society and hence I feel like this is why sex work should be legalised


I hate science hate, you see they're like, sex trafficking it's a another topic by itself but I feel that it's closely


the uh my last point is about how uh legalising sex work allows people to gain more respect for these sex workers and and recognise what they should do so they would not like reduce the sexual violence crime towards them


you'll like allows them to gain more respect for sex worker as them they are doing a legitimate work in society and not like looking at them as they're something lesser which will reduce crime towards them okay cut or I press stop okay


okay so uh reiterating your point you were saying that because that charity work has a lot of benefits associated with doing it everyone should, uh engage in charity work to bring a better future and since people are not self-regulated enough to conduct charity work on their self the government should step in to like and make uh charity work compulsory to uh for the wider societal good


okay so uh responding to your point I would like to say that ya charity work is very important and uh there's a lack of supply of charity work and a lot of people don't want to do charity work that is correct but , if we if we make charity work compulsory which this also means that people who are in need of charity work have to do charity work themselves and this would this may allow them to feel like there's like they're they are unable to actually provide the adequate charity work that


the recipient needs and they're unable to be unable to provide it themself to which, causes the charity work to lose meaning and add unnecessary pressure on the recipient itself, and okay so on your point that uh charity work have large have a wide societal good and uh have a wide societal good and hence the government should uh make it compulsory I'd like to say that even though it have a wide societal good it may not


the meaning of charity work may be lost and the recipient of the charity work may not want to accept, people who people who donate to them that had uh don't have of a uh good intention and I would like to cite an example that uh rapper six-nine who is uh who is charged in court for alleged uh child paedophile and uh paedophile tendencies tried to donate to a child's service


uh about a million dollar in amount but they he was rejected by the child services citing that they do not accept donations from anyone who's believed to not, who do not align themselves in the , whose belief does not align with their values in the child's service programme and hence charity work should be only should only be done when the doer genuinely believes in a cause and wants to make a difference or else charity work like how you said will only be


uh use will only be conducted to make the doer feel better about themselves and it does not actually solve a real difference to society which charity work should actually which is the end goal of charity work ultimately to make society better and to make uh everyone feel uh to advocate for a brighter future and hence


charity work should be should only be done to (ppc), by those who genuinely have a good interest at heart and genuinely wants to uh genuinely wants to contribute to the cause or else charity will only be a one off thing to make the doer feel better about themselves


but does not actually make a genuine difference in society and it's too touch and go and this kind of thing does not guarantee wider societal good and hence my point genuinely to summarise my point my point is, charity work should not be compulsory because it loses the meaning of charity work to the wider societal


okay so , firstly I would like to say that charity work should not be made compulsory does not mean that people should not do charity work it means that people have a, choice whether they want to want to do charity work have a choice whether how much charity work they want to engage in have a choice of what


kind of charity work you want to engage in so it gives people the freedom of choice to choose and, okay linking back to your point you said that everyone have a chance to volunteer what kind of thing that can give some people now uh wealthier can volunteer money the less wealthy can volunteer time all these kind of thing but


linking it to singapore's context if charity work is made compulsory it adds unnecessary pressure to the students who don't understand the meaning of charity work so like in singapore's context we uh since primary school to secondary school we'll always engage in various sort of


uh compulsory charity work such as the charity elephant such as the flag day such as volunteering in uh old folks home all these kind of thing but, people are just doing it to fulfil the hundred hundred dips point the five service point to fulfil to get more points to minus two marks of your O level L one R five to go to JC go to poly this kind of thing


people are doing it for themselves they are not understanding the true meaning of charity work which is to, genuinely feel so and give back to society out of the own kindness of your heart you are doing it, for VIA points and and this adds unnecessary pressure to singapore students who don't understand the meaning but yet being forced to do something that they don't believe in and since we know that singapore's uh context is always a rat race and is a very fast-paced society students move


fast doing all this kind of charity work which is a touch and go, uh kind of work where you visit old folks home for one day but you never go back again you forget everything you pretend to be happy and fold paper cranes but, you are actually doing it for the VIA points that comes after this kind of thing does not truly add meaning to the charity work and also