like <tamil>சில பெரு:silla peru</tamil> if there are very very nice they give you a very long replies and say like oh sorry <tamil>நீங்க வந்து இந்த:nenga vanthu intha</tamil> position <tamil>கு தகுதி பேரலை:ku thaguthi pearala</tamil> that kind of thing but, I think after like maybe one or two months or you, reject enough people then you're just like, sorry <tamil>உங்களுக்கு வெல்ல கிடைக்கல:ungaluku vella kedaikala</tamil> you can go now you know that kind of thing


but I guess, it's part of the job lah for them


I think it's a mundane job lah but then, not <tamil>நெறயலம்:nerayalam</tamil> like it's enough it's stable and it's enough, she's doing part time she is a part time degree and she's also doing like full time a full time job lah


and she's struggling lah, it's not because of the course lah or like her work it's just like to juggle like <tamil>ஒரு:oru</tamil> like a full time job and a part time degree like you need a lot of time mangemnet


and like <tamil>சில நேரத்துல:silla nerathula</tamil> like that's just not possible lah like ya you want to do both at one shot but it's not possible, ya but I think that for HR right you need to have like certain like personality, like <tamil>நெறய பெரு கூட நல்ல சிரிச்சி சிரிச்சி பேசணும்:neraya peru kuda nalla sirichi sirichi peasanum</tamil> personal you cannot just be like sit down there and stone you need to smile all the time


you need to have a personality like ya it can be a mundane job but it's err like only very few people can do it I feel lah, because like some people like myself lah is I find it very hard to like just <tamil>எல்லாருகிட்டயும் பொய் சிரிச்சி சிரிச்சி பேச:ellarukitayum poi sirichi sirichi peasa</tamil> it's a bit difficult so like if you need to like be very friendly be very


warm and like welcoming to every new person, they deserve or whatever but I think it's actually quite a difficult job to do lah


in terms of like the personality that you need for it, but then again <tamil>அந்த வெல்ல நான் செஞ்சதே இல்ல:antha vella naan senjathey illa</tamil> so like I guess I got no rights to say also, ya


ya I wanted to do like something that was finance related


but I didn't lah cause I just kept thinking <tamil>நம்ம வந்து:namma vanthu</tamil> I wanna go for exchange I want to go for exchange then I sort of didn't concentrate on the job that I have to get after I graduated so like, ya I completed my exchange, but like I didn't do my internship so I couldn't get the job that I wanted lah


as in something that is real estate related


like for the government jobs like this they want you to have experience and they want you to, agent, like as agents you can go and join like government agencies like JTC HDB


for real estate agents, you just need of NUS real estate degree or like just any real estate degree I think SMU SMU if I'm not wrong I think they have real estate degree now like bachelor's lah they still have it at SMU it's not just NUS


but if you want a government job like <tamil>கண்டிப்பா:kandipa</tamil> you need like a, that's a painful too time that I'm realizing after I graduated I think it's not just real estate oh yeah


(hmm)


I got the same regret lah but I think the main difference is like, when you study <tamil>காசு கிடைக்காது:kaasu kedaikathu</tamil> when you work confirm like <tamil>காசு கிடைக்கும் உன்னோட சம்பளம்:kaasu kedaikum unnoda sambalam</tamil> some people just work for the <tamil>சம்பளம்:sambalam</tamil> lah to be honest


that's kind of unfair, (hmm) I mean basic level maybe can learn a bit more, cause it's only like you need to converse


ya lah, actually, starting pay should be around there lah should be around three point four


like <tamil>நம்ப நினைக்கிறோம்:namba nenaikirom</tamil> like it is very high but actually is not leh, three point two to three point six ah for NUS grads lah


confirm they will pick someone who has a lot of like experience, then why the hell did we go and like study for so long why not just start working immediately right, okay nevermind, we cannot change whatever happened in a past you only like change like what's happening in the future what's gonna happen in future


ya we are very sheltered what, I think like <tamil>சின்ன சின்ன ஆளுங்க வந்து:chinna chinna aalunga vanthu</tamil> like their parents would be like go and find a job


you should start earning as soon as you can, that kind, I need to have the mentality I should have had that mentality also


it's okay lah


especially nowadays, is it global warming is it just normal


ya lah but it's not december yet and like it's quite cold also I don't remember singapore being this cold


within th same day some more the morning will be like


((mmhmm)m), I actually like it when it's cold outside but the sun shines on you so <tamil>உன்னக்கு வைத்து அந்த குளுரு தெரியாது:unnaku vathu antha kuluru teriyathu</tamil> like do you understand what I mean


ya or like just going to bed and napping, I don't know how to explain singapore doesn't really have that


yeah, how is my what


cause I actually went during winter, so winter obviously <tamil>குளுரும்ல:kulurumla</tamil> that one like there's no doubt about that, but like during the summer I was in berlin, I think that was the most memorable that's when I realise that


when it's very cold but the sun shines on you, damn shiok like the feeling is just damn shiok, ya


like india, you can you can choose like the countries that are a bit like cheaper


like what's cheaper, think like poland, poland is still quite cold, but I wonder like <tamil>அங்க வந்து எல்லாம் ரொம்ப மலிவு இருக்கும்:anga vanthu ellam romba maliva irukum</tamil> okay lah for comparison lah, like singapore like maybe a pack of cigarettes cost like twelve dollars


but when I went there right one pack of cigarettes, is like four sing dollars I did a conversion cause I was like, it's really four dollars leh <tamil>யாருனாள நம்ப முடியும்:yaarunaala namba mudiyum</tamil> like


I think maybe they have tax but it's not as high as in singapore, and then their food there was really really like okay lah I wouldn't say cheap, but it was worth it yes


in poland I remember they have a lot of dark beers, the dark beers were really nice like <tamil>கோஜுன்து இனிக்கும் கொஞ்சூண்டு கசக்கும்:kojundu inikum konjundu kasakum</tamil> usually the beers in singapore right when you drink it's either super sweet, or like super bitter there's no like change in flavours in your mouth


whereas like there was like there was this one beer that I drank right it was so good, it tasted like damn sweet but then when I drank it wait was it sweet no, and then like when I swallow right when it's in my mouth is damn tasteful


swallow ya then after that it was, like my entire mouth or just like can just taste the sweetness, like the change of flavour was I was just like it eh what's happening


they eat a lot of meat and potato, ya <tamil>உருள கழங்கு நெறய சாப்பிடுவாங்க:urula kazhangu neraya sapduvanga</tamil> like I mean mashed potatoes that kind or like they just roast their potatoes like they will boil it, then they will put it into the oven for like maybe fifteen minutes so the inside is like super soft <tamil>மொறு மொறுனு இருக்கும்:moru morunu irukum</tamil> so it's damn freaking good


no but it's damn good like I don't how to saw like, I know it sounds like oh they eat a lot of potatoes it's not very healthy


I would I would, I actually I know more about, german food, cause that's where I did my exchange but like even in poland they sausage I don't know why they have a lot of sausages also


but like I think the one that I really like the most was actually #Blutwurst# which is german sausages


but the Blutwurst in the coffee shop is all just sausage, it's just sausage that you buy from the the cold storage right, so like and the flavour and the colour is really not there, eh we should go and eat at I remember suntec there got one this damn freaking good german


ya but I cannot remember the name <tamil>கொஞ்ச நேரமா நில்லு:konja nerama nillu</tamil> I go and find the place on google, ah I already find on google


it's called #paulaner brauhaus#, ya lah it's Atas yes it's very Atas but like my pockets is crying, I think like I eat pork knuckle


and of course got the sides and everything lah it was like thirty five, I also don't know <tamil>பாண்டிய ஒரு பள்ளு தெரியும்:pandila oru pallu teriyum</tamil> but I don't really know what exactly it is


(mmhmm)


obviously the taste will be different right the thing originated from there we're just trying to copy it, because of cheese


I have no idea I don't like spaghetti that much cause it's full of carbs so <tamil>teriyathu ennaku romba pidikum</tamil> lah,


oh okay, collin's what


seriously


oh my god, ya burgers <tamil>நல்ல இருக்கும்:nalla irukum</tamil> like, for real like especially when it's like the patty's damn thin


and is damn juicy is damn nice and you put the correct condiments on it, like mustard and like, it's not even that spicy


really meh it's like a combination is it


good news cafe I think


wait ah


I know like if you keep it for like some time if you keep it for ten fifteen minute ya it will dry up, don't know sia I think that time I remember the shoppee lah <tamil>பாத்தோம்:paathom</tamil> we didn't really get it, a bit expensive lah right ya


you go buy when you have money lor, but I think like instead of that kind of cheese right we should go and try like the proper kind of cheese like those in the wheels kind


I think that's how it's pronounced yes I don't know how to pronounce it, ya you should be right lah I don't know


but like I keep seeing like some of like very like, my friends who have been working for some time right they keep going to this place called the cheese ark, and like, over there the cheese is really like they cure it for like damn long they import it so like one cheese like I think like they go by like weight


so like for a hundred grams is like maybe like five dollars so if you get like maybe not five dollars maybe a bit more expensive, so like if you like I keep seeing all my friends like they


, mood, mood, no but like, when you eat like the cheese on a cracker you can really taste the cheese one like


as in it's the same cheese lah cheese is cheese, but like if you go and tell some of my friends they will be like no not all cheese is cheese like, I don't know how to say it taste different lah like you know like blue cheese, blue cheese <tamil>சில நேரத்துல சாப்பிட:silla nerathula sapta</tamil> it taste like shit if you eat it by itself cause like


it's smelly one is smelly and two the taste is very strong


but I think in the pizza right maybe the size of maybe this big and then like I think they sprinkled the blue cheese on top so it's like, ya you can taste like the very strong blue cheese taste, but with the meat I think there was like it was very salty


err pizza I think there was bacon there was cheese and then there was it was like four cheese pizza with bacon that kind one, so it was damn good like all the flavours mix damn well


yes, okay


yes, , that's true


I'm not very sure maybe


McDonald's, but like also like <tamil>என்னக்கு அவ்ளோ பாசிகளை:ennaku avlo pasikala</tamil> so maybe <tamil>அப்ரோமேடு சாப்பிடுவான்:aprometu sapduvan</tamil> maybe I won't eat I don't know you ate already not


then we go eat later lor


, no but like, if you want to eat meat and then you mother cooks vegetarian food then <tamil>ஏன் அவங்க கிட்ட கேக்குற:yean avanga kita keakura</tamil> should just like


ya but you know not all vegetarians are like super healthy though


after he bacame vegetarian right, I think vegetarians maybe you don't feel like full you know <tamil>இன்னும் பசிக்கும்:inum pasikum</tamil> cause they not eating like enought I don't know what they're not eating properly but


and mostly it's all like carbs what, rice bread potatoes its very, I think mashed potatoes there's milk there's butter there's a lot of other like ingredients in it if you just eat it like


potato by itself like tamil style kind of food I think it's very basic it's just potato and maybe like


no I think that they use like the the, I don't think it's the butter I feel like their the mashed potatoes at collin's right


it has more chunks in it of potato kFC one is just like Pureeish, but I also feel like kFC one right, is a powder mixture also, ya so like that's why I think got the difference in taste


what do you like <tamil>சொந்தமா:sonthama</tamil> like <tamil>வீட்டுல:veetula</tamil> mashed potatoes <tamil>செஞ்சி சாப்பிடலாம்:senji sapdalam</tamil> like can we customize to eat to your taste one you know


if you put enough butter, on the potatoes just like you boil the potatoes then like you mash it up right then <tamil>இன்னும்:inum</tamil> butter add to


then, salt, I mean after it boil already, milk also ya correct, then you're good to go already


I think they boil it in like, they boil it in hot water but at like very low heat, so like, all the way to the potato gets like, cooked


I think we talking about food, ya so in the in the <tamil>இத பத்தி பேசிட்டு இருக்குறபோது:itha pathi peasitu irukurapothu</tamil> I am getting kinda hungry


[orh]


((mmhmm)m), I think of what I realise right is like the thing that I spend money on the most is actually cigarettes, like, when I smoke <tamil>அவ்ளோவா வேலைய தெரில:avlova velaya terila</tamil> but then like <tamil>காசு இல்லாத போது:kaasu illatha pothu</tamil> I realise it's actually very expensive


maybe <tamil>ஒரு:oru</tamil> pack <tamil>வந்து:vanthu</tamil> twelve dollars around, and the twelve dollars <tamil>ரெண்டு சாப்பாடு சாப்பிடலாம்:rendu sapadu sapdalam</tamil> like two meals lah, ya if you like maybe now like I really, don't have any money right so I just go eat the mixed rice I eat like two meat one vege or like two vege one meat


so like I think it's quite, is like very expensive like habbit lah, I would addiction lah to be honest


some more like I smoke for how many years already, I think when I started it was only like ten dollars nine ten dollars


ya ten ninety around there, cause the know lah like <tamil>நம்ம வந்து:namma vanthu</tamil> addicted <tamil>ஆயிட்டோம்னு தெரியும்:aayetomnu teriyum</tamil> it's a addictive substance what


no matter what no matter how expensive it gets no matter how


but I also can't stop it lah so like a bit painful, like you know you shouldn't do it, but your body's just like <tamil>என்னக்கு வேணும்னா வேணும்:ennaku venumna venum</tamil> so like a bit no choice


((mmhmm)m)


they say, I mean it's a slow process lah like <tamil>டக்குனு:takkunu</tamil> stop <tamil>பண்ணனும்னா:pannanumna</tamil> I don't think anyone will be able to do it like some people I don't know how they do cold turkey


cold turkey is really damn hardcore know I don't know how they do it, I got no choice lah


I think the easiest way to like stop smoking, is to have no money, like once you have money you will just like <tamil>பொய் வாங்கலாம்:poi vangalam</tamil> lah


how they listen to the lungs then <tamil>அவங்களுக்கு தெரிஞ்சிடும்ல:avangaluku terinjidumla</tamil> like that kind of weird


was it a old doctor


oh doctor Seah and yeo, [orh] the <tamil>அந்த அந்த:antha antha</tamil> the doctor the wife got the very long hair one right, but I think, the, I'm not I'm not sexist or anything but I think the guy is a better doctor than her


ya ya ya, that's what I want to hear, that's what I want to hear


then did you recover, you went to eye specialist then okay lah


why


the medicine <tamil>அவங்க குடுத்த:avanga kudutha</tamil> medicine <tamil>நல்ல:nalla</tamil> okay


oh, oh


okay lah then that's quite okay what, and get it checked up lah


can you get an insurance first then it's claimable, if it's diagnose right you cannot claim it leh, ya as in you should get your insurance first and then go and get it diagnosed, then they will they have to pay you for whatever like illness that you get


ya as in if you go and see the doctor they will reimburse you, if you get it diagnose and it's like a proper condition it's a diagnosed condition right then it's not claimable lah it will be excluded from whatever reimbursements that you can get


but if it keeps getting built up then it has to be a condition right,


it's okay


so, for me I don't fall sick very often but when I fall sick


ya I <tamil>சீதா போனோம் மாறி இருப்பான்:seatha ponam maari irupan</tamil> I cannot walk that kind, it was the what


is your body allergic to that brand of cigarettes, I don't know


I really want to go back to poland sia four dollars know one pack is just four dollars


so like you want to go there and stay also right you have to be prepared for their very low pay lah


the pay is comparatively lower you like transfer not transfer err, convert the money, is a bit lower, might as well just like earn in a country like singapore or like europe where the EU countries lah


but EU <tamil>சொல்ல முடியாது:solla mudiyathu</tamil> cos like poland is also part of the EU, like one of the economically stronger countries lah then you go to those like, places, for holiday lor


no choice lah, we already born here have to suffer through it


nevermind,


is it, cause you're weak, aiya the motorbikes <tamil>சத்தம் ரொம்ப சத்தமா இருந்துது:satham romba sathama irunthuthu</tamil> so loud


vespa is such a, old school lah <tamil>பலமான:palamana</tamil> like it's one of the smallest bikes <tamil>டி:di</tamil> like it's not even aesthetic


it's retro lah like it's supposed, maybe I guess I guess people like think that it's very retro very cool but then you look at the specs right it's not very good <tamil>ரொம்ப வேகமா போ முடியாது:romba vegama poo mudiyathu</tamil> like usually can't go too fast one, like the specification


it's really like you really can't go at a very high speed, I would rather get like, safe ah <tamil>இருக்கத்தான்:irukathaan</tamil> motorbike use <tamil>பண்றோம்ல:panromla</tamil>


a what, scooters are a bit slower lah, but <tamil>மெதுவா ஓட்டுன:meathuva ootuna</tamil> doesn't mean that are being safer lah, what do you mean, can put your foot very comfortable then like if you put like for ladies ah like us like if we want to wear like sari or we want to wear a dress and we want to ride a bike can use a vespa lah for other bikes what you have to do like you have to cross your leg you have to like sort of straddle the bike right


okay, so, what would it be


expect chicken, is it a variety


variety of chicken what


so you can eat sambal goreng pengantin for the rest of your life, damn, I'm a fickle minded person


serious lah


a'ah, actually up to you [seh]


where got got bergedil all, hidup tak boleh tamak sis


I think I'll just eat pulut lah


said one food what


that's not food, and that's my dish then


I skip this question lah I cannot lah


like, I cannot choose one food, I cannot just choose one food, I suka everything, [kan]


turkey, (hmm) yummy


I don't know lah, a'ah [kan]


[kan], I will choose ah Grand Hyatt buffet ah, because got everything what


ya, top-up, you need top-up money, then, comparing to the price that you pay you just top up like I don't know maybe fifteen dollars for unlimited sugar cane drink


I don't think so lah


(hmm), I don't know


because got a lot of people want to go in what


is it, ya lah maybe that's why


, experiment


[kan], is there anything else that you want, we were just waiting for our order


you could have, one free thing in this world, what will it be, no no salah bukan what is the one thing !alah! sama lah what is the one thing that you wish was free, ah I will wish the restaurants all was free


I can't choose, but now COVID so cannot travel so food, ya but I will choose travel lah because travel is more expensive ah


fully paid for [kan], (hmm)


oh ya ah ya ah, so fully paid travel expenses lah, so kira flight and everything is fully paid for, oh


right, oyster eh ke clam ah, I don't know lah what clam picking or whatever lah


oyster as long as it's fresh it's okay [seh]


okay lah Tiffany Cafe tu yang hari tu aku nak bawa kau tak not bad


okay habis kalau kita dapat travel expenses all fully paid for [kan], serious ah


#bora bora#, , [kan], [kan]


[kan], [kan], that's why kena both of us get the free trip


so I can like eh but actually if one of us also can what, so after #bora bora# then what


but #bora bora# and maldives is already like almost the same [seh], ya, oh yes no no no go apa tu yang boleh tengok northern lights


is it I think so


, it's okay kita lots of fat sis


(mmhmm) dekat sana sejuk [kan] then we use all our body heat all our body fat all our stored body fats [kan]


[kan], ya, no lah I think I want to experience everything mana boleh macam kau pergi satu tempat and it's just


go there just because of, (mmhmm), Cappadocia, ya


ya ya I know satu cousin aku punya eh cousin aku kawan aku punya cousin, she married a turkish man then they said like ah


[kan], then ah nanti time sahur [jer] nanti dia cakap you will hear she will hear a lot of things macam budak nangis lah perempuan nangis lah [kan] then I was like thinking


ah, so moral of the story is don't marry a turkish man gitu eh


[kan], I don't understand that kind of people


ya and they cover up the stories you know, just the worst part [seh], (mmhmm) Dabbe Dabbe


Siccin


I don't know


unresolved issue


ah it's not that the girl yang buat it's not the kakak yang buat tau


let's watch it together later, why


husband dia bunuh perempuan tu because of one gambar a'ah, but it's the girl ah


but husband dia padan muka lah ya


but then [kan] kau ingat yang dia pergi yang dia punya yang dia pergi dekat tempat tukang ubat tu ke yang tempat doktor tu then ada satu budak perempuan tu yang boleh nampak-nampak barang [kan] dia cakap yang mulut dia kena paku kena begitu like what she did to herself


she did to herself, (mmhmm)


(mmhmm), but sometimes you cannot make a logic out of all these things


eh tadi aku nak tanya apa eh, oh nanti dapat dia punya hundred dollars nya tu then they cannot stack the, a'ah, ya I know


ya lah, ya lah where you want to go


oh, no but I didn't know whether like there's a limit to


I don't know, , ya lah


(mmhmm), so that it already amounts two hundred dollars already, eighty plus, ya lah almost a hundred lah


then you can fifteen the swings around eighty plus lah, so can eat inside, but there's food inside what I'm I mean I want to try to food inside


ya, turkey


I don't know I don't eat there I only drink the drinks, !wow!


I have never went, I went to the halloween horror night twice, ya but you get to go to the regular one


, , isn't that better


jurassic park, since the panic hits you guys the public come in


[kan] Shiok [kan] Shiok, I had fun


I like the transformers one


roller coaster


ya but it was so there was too many people halloween horror night [seh] so I just sit down inside the tea cup


so you just sit down inside africa horror night let's see correct ah so they honour existing it lah, ya, at the haunted house lah, because I dekat tepi-tepi kadang-kadang ada dekat tepi-tepi there was this one yang dekat tempat tak ingat lah dekat tempat mana but it was it disguised itself himself herself as christmas tree habis aku [kan]


then the tree, ya, ya, the tree was happy, [kan]


ya I'm not scared just shocked only, then sis was like oh


ninja mode


I don't know


ya and the, I wanted to go but I was


but one of the scariest is aku punya kawan ya tak pun yang the kak pon clan and she also looked like kak pon ah that one


it, will scare the shit out of me ah, relatable


ah, ya


ah, so when I got out from there I got slightly freaked out ah, it's not really macam scary


and I didn't let me think


oh ya ya ya but I can't remember when and where, sit, D marquee


(mmhmm), then, pretty groomer, was the coolest if not a normal cadres to eat


(mmhmm) dia dekat situ then dia cakap ah eh dia balik ah then after that ah baru dia cakap ah tadi kita tengah cerita-cerita pasal tu banyak orang [kan]


ya,


(mmhmm)


where got ghost where got ghost


I don't know ah because like macam hari tu aku tengok yang incredible tales tu [kan] they say their #ah kong# is there because they never burn the house, you know like chinese believe that they need to burn things like hell notes then a'ah for the departed then they just macam dia orang tak burn the house for him so he cannot he got nowhere to go because dekat tempat dia tak ada rumah so he went back to the house


no lah that's not the belief, the belief is the hell note is to bribe the guardians of the hell gates then ya that's what I heard lah


okay but I got this one question for you habis kalau if you are poor what even can you do, ya but you steal is


you steal is because you need to survive kind tau


ya lah but kalau kau bunuh diri sendiri pun it's not it's not a, you want to bunuh people with what [seh] I don't know you have don't have anything what


ya but at the point of time it's not kira dia macam you are not of sound mind tau at the point of time


ya but then that's the only kira macam that's the only sin lah [kan]


but if you rich then you got a lot of sin you need to bribe a lot that's right, but islam is very fair


ya let that's why you have to prepare yourself that's like another question


ya lah then that's why I say that's why that time I was in umrah then they they was talking about this lah like ah before we went to umrah we have like the course [kan] habis dia orang tanya lah macam okay then bila kita zaman ah this ustaz macam rock rock sikit lah habis dia cakap then bila kita zaman time zaman rock kita pun terlepas solat then dia cakap kita buat apa yang kita mampu then kita solat taubat lah solat taubat then whatever that you can do like if you have extra time then you just pay back macam qada because you know you don't know how many


(mmhmm), how would I know siapa kita nak judge that's why say at the end of the day you can only hear say all all of these kind of thing


oh


ya lah, ya


maki [jer]


ya but they always say that the paradise is not for the good people it's for the sinners, who repent ya


[kan] but I think all these all these people all these typical


people in our community makes it, it makes it macam susah untuk orang nak terima islam because


you guys are judgy bunch


(mmhmm)


ya, [kan], ya lah


doesn't mean like you don't wear your tudung your amalan is lesser than, that was the thing that was flying


I don't know maybe, okay


okay I will see you in twenty twenty two


I mean I'm not saying that aku ni ah aku ni perfect but like I have ground rules of not judging people lah


ya man, okay


(mmhmm),


but it's a it's typical what to do that, (mmhmm),


ah, actually senang [jer], [kan] then ah it's like you cover your head but you never cover your bottom


then I was like okay but not all of them are like that what like how right now I have the stigma of a single mother


[kan], but, how we react to that it shows, shows ah shows how we are as a person ah so I don't care lah


[kan], (hmm)


be more proper, [kan], ya


(mmhmm), [kan], to certain people it will be like


men are known to have like mental images and they keep, ha


, , , seriously


oh damn you weird, weirdo


the cantik one, I don't know lah whatever lah then


!wow!


(hmm), !wow!, should we do that like for our, like, gain popularity


for goodness, no I mean like macam you know we want to be we want to try to be influencers so why not like


(mmhmm), oh man I can't do that


ya but that's another way for you to tone down your voice what


but how to makan ah with niqab so you just open like that then makan I mean like ya ya lah, it's like a beat man


ya but then macam that's how people see you as a Hijabi ah so when kau macam jatuhkan judgement dekat niqabi when orang jatuhkan judgement as


what sia, but actually macam betul lah cuma pada aku macam kalau kau nak pakai niqab kau punya niat bukan untuk just to cover yourself but I think you need to have


a'ah, what to expect how to bring yourself


a'ah, (mmhmm), ya


[kan], [kan], is it the time for me to wear


[kan], okay lah not really lah


[kan], (mmhmm)


sis is already is big it's not like I am


and shoulder besar and then like then macam tergantung ah macam tergantung kita macam hanger so it's like it's not nice ah pada aku then after that #nek yam# said something that macam terus macam aku terus (ugh)


sis terus shut up lah


ya lah but doesn't mean kau presentable it


exactly that's why like you know sometimes and I'm I'm thinking like you know moving forward like what kind of clothes I would want to wear as a Hijabi that, with big build or who is plus size or you know like for people who are bigger lah


ya that's why,


it's like looking, at myself like you know like I said to you at that time macam she became a basic, I don't want to say that word, Ringarde


ya, but then macam but when you wear all these things you need to be slightly Ringarde lah, because you are not supposed to stand out you are supposed to, be modest for yourself and for your creator


in dunia lah (mmhmm)


if we could eat one food for the rest of our life, what would it be, (hmm)


because bila food, food eh, but nugget pun chicken what


(hmm), if it's one lauk for the rest of my life


ya, and sis tak akan get bored


ya but I think like the most frequent makanan yang I crave for is, like ya because to me like sambal goreng pengantin is, life


sebab you will have everything there, you got


(hmm)


ah so sambal goreng pengantin is like everything that I like to eat is what macam satu dish you makan dengan bergedil makan dengan nasi sedap [seh]


but it's considered one what tak eh, (oo) tak consider eh, why why macam why like that


what tapi itu lah okay lah tak apa lah sambal goreng dengan nasi pun jadi sis


, one food lah


ah one food what it's like one like it's like one dish, because pulut is one dish, see if talking about dish


then, the pulut is not a makanan it's not considered lah


but food is life, [kan], because food is life tengok lah badan kita sis,


(hmm), (hmm), seafood, (hmm), !huh! what dang


habis sis nak makan apa make up your mind, buffet is consider


like, buffet, consider, like if it's a type, buffet I can eat buffet for the rest of my life ah, like buffet !wow!


sis, !walao!


!wow!, !wow! sis, but top-up how many


but dia tak ada dia tak ada limited hours you boleh duduk dekat dalam [kan]


maybe because dia macam on the wheel sebab tu dia boleh duduk dekat situ like three hours


but what are the chances that


or exactly two hours then kita gerak sebab kita dah terlalu full


ya, what


we should we should apa what's the word ah bearing up acts what's the word experiment experiment that, experiment experiment that, but the the the the only downside of


ah lepas tu nanti orang tu get irritated


the person yang get irritated, (hmm)


that's why I tell you, (hmm), what would it be


food, (oo) maybe travel lah


okay let's say let's say tak ada COVID, it's hard to choose right, travel is more expensive than food like I would I would choose travelling like my travel travel expenses is fully paid ha


[kan], so if sis only have to keluarkan duit makan sis have no problem with that, hotel is part of the travel expenses what


expenses, ha, ha, so yang lain so kita bayar makan [jer] lah like okay lah let's say makan pun ta~ !alah! depends ah


!wow!, feeling orang kaya because it's fully paid for, sis macam nak makan korean food jom kita fly pergi korea


clam lah [kan], !wow! that would be good leh


but I so far eh I have never had like really good oyster, maybe the the the place that I had oyster was only at two places


the only the the two places that I managed to pergi was, uh Carousell


(mmhmm), korea first ah


then where you wanna go, oh ya hor, [kan], sis floating


like we, !whoa!, what a good life, [kan], !wow!


it was a it would be a fun one lah, ya, but nevermind both of us is like double the double the fun


[kan] macam gitu lah, maldives we go all the island first ah


(hmm), and more expensive, or maybe I want to go switzerland, or a is it iceland no


iceland eh, around there ah, but they say yang if they want yang siapa eh they share dia punya travel experiences to see the ah si Aifiqah ke mana siapa entah dia kena tidur dekat luar [seh] then macam imagine it's freezing


oh ya sis terlupa pasal itu ya , yes but, !wow!


who will lose weight ah, [kan], , [kan], !fuh! !wow!


but you know, but there will be the one of the bucket list lah but one of the bucket list I wanna go is, korea also because of the food lah I just want to experience the food


oh sis pun nak pergi turkey especially yang dekat hot air balloon punya tempat tu apa Cappadocia !wah!


and it's not like, err dia orang boleh naik all the time you know it's not available all the time it's like terlalu windy cannot then kalau hujan cannot


see the weather, but they say dekat turkey it's haunted


, what the why, eh scary [pe]


ya turkey punya sihir eh turkey punya black magic is very very scary


!ee! creep, ya


ya turkish turkish people is very scary dia orang kalau buat buat sampai mati dia orang tak fikir tau dosa dosa pahala dia orang go straight punya dia orang berani mati punya orang tau


ya and dia orang punya macam and


ya, because if you watch Siccin if you watch, if you watch Dabbe sis watch sampai terngiang-ngiang okay


a'ah habis perempuan tu she's aware that, husband ada affair


, ah I watch that and it haunts me ah


like family issues I don't know lah lepas tu buat sampai adik dia gila and something like that lah


Dabbe ah, yes


a'ah lah,


no, no kakak dia pergi pergi dekat ilmu sihir tu then when the person want to help her the orang yang ilmu sihir tu orang orang yang ilmu sihir tu terus mati he met the ilmu sihir tu tau


don't want sis tak nak being haunted again it took me a lot of time to still forget about it you know


a'ah a'ah lepas tu [kan] dia buat macam husband dia ke perempuan tu bunuh [kan], (hmm), [kan], the girl the girl yang doctor tu jahat the girl is a doctor what


[kan] he deserve it ah, then what's your cheat, [kan], so bila sis tengok cerita tu sis macam !wow! like so many things then bila orang tu figure out everything [kan]


ya the tukang ubat tu pergi jumpa yang sihir konon very popular tau


(mmhmm)


the, err macam to to the guy macam he is in between believing macam dia dia as


cannot mix with science what so he's trying to do both tau to be like nak try to make a logic of that


but ya lah pasal logic and faith sometimes but to me to me personally logic and faith have to coexist together


cannot stack means ah me and you together pay together cannot so I have to pay my own personally you have to pay yours personally ya lah it's like that lah, I don't know lah sis ingat nak pergi USS


cannot stack that is not macam tak boleh is not refundable, so that means if like if you pay seventy five you pay eighty dollars then it's not worth it lah


I I will take the express one ah, no lah, it that time dia punya normal ticket is sixty plus sixty eight then express you tambah ten dollars [jer] [seh]


ten ke fifteen dollar so it's around eighty plus lah


ya I want to try also, ah dia ada nya turkey, turkey turkey, but that time sis makan tempat dia punya yang dekat shrek punya tempat eh


wasn't that !wow! ah, because it was just chicken, ya sis nak try then dekat mana eh is makanan india, because sis pergi dua kali the first one is


it's fully sponsored, like makan and everything sponsored, at least you went for the halloween horror night sis


one is at night time because masa tu is like a charity event, so sis dapat masuk malam it's from seven to eleven only, but tak ramai orang ah and the queue is not a lot so sis tak payah beratur panjang but imagine


but imagine pergi jurassic park punya tempat malam-malam sis for a minute there sis panic, sis dah panic sis nya claustrophobic coming


(hmm), sis claustrophobic


that time yang yang kita nak try mummy sekali mak dia sampai pujuk the mother pujuk me untuk naik tapi mak tak takut kalau mak penakut ni mak rasa tak takut means it's not scary at all


(mmhmm) mak dia don't like to take ah roller coaster mak dia scared of roller coaster, so if she said it's not scary means it's not scary, but I heard mummy is scary [seh]


a'ah mummy is always long queue then I asked the guy you know yang dekat situ is mummy ride scary, no lah to me if you ask me roller coaster tu lagi scary


then I say then I say you cannot compare it that ah it's different what


but no but the tepi got the drying station what, eh halloween horror nights let's say if you pergi for the halloween horror night right so that means all the rides is still ada lah


and then, laughed, moving shaking , happy tree


I'm not scared just shock, (hmm) [kan]


ninja, but the thing so if that's why it's more expensive but it's the same price [kan]


halloween horror nights and, halloween horror night sis


sis scared


he wanted to ajak me then sis was thinking then sis macam should I go sebab I heard cerita that masa dia orang make the kak pon punya tempat they malam tengah malam bila nak dia orang nak tutup I think dia kena kacau what


ha


ah, oh dekat situ then,


but people say that is tone of he scariest one ah


Sabah Sabah got voodoo shit, serious dia orang Sabah also believe in benda-benda voodoo, but I thought voodoo is that more like turkish thing, is it correct


what, oh orang asli is scary also you know, oh that time [kan] ada yang macam ah there's this exhibition right that macam museum [kan] exhibition dia buat yang macam you asked me nak pergi ke tak like benda-benda black magic


remember like we wanted to go then the ticket was like thirty plus right


, D marquee D marquee


#jian cheng# pergi so I'm not wrong lah


I three I remember ah #jian cheng# say lah ah, because the keris is not a normal keris sebab keris tu is


(hmm)


(hmm), (hmm)


was it dia tengah driving ke apa no eh no no no no that was in aerostar bay eh


ha engkau tak kelakar eh brother, it's not funny sia you not funny lu lu cari pasal sama wa brother, inviting


okay I have this question ah like for example [kan] okay when, in islam we believe right kalau kita mati our roh does not exist co-exist in this alam already so that means we are in another dimension tau so our dimension only macam co-exist time we sleep betul tak so like for example if kita mati kita nampak orang-orang people then if


is it the roh of the people or is it ghost or like jin in a form of people


a really roh atau jin in a form of


for them


but, but I heard like actually burn money and burn hell notes is actually not burn rumah tu semua is actually not because of to have rumah for them and others right, it's actually to show that ah bila kita mati benda ni kita tak boleh bawa balik tak boleh bawa dengan kita or something like that


I heard from some people like that, is it, what if like life is like that ah then the miskin like got tak ada chance [seh]


I don't know you steal


so even if kita kita tak ada duit pun it's part of


okay imagine, socked in the head then terus ambil lepas tu bunuh ada apa is it happens


but we don't know what like macam some people depression macam too too depressed they don't cannot find a way to to solve dia punya debts then they kill


their child then they kill themselves, then how you you want to answer that it's the same thing what, because you you cannot pay off your debts like at your wit's end like you lost hope everything


ya lah then like if that's the sin then you take people life you take your own life then if the people want to live how, ya lah then how to bribe


ya lah, but if you poor who want to bribe for you if you kill the person with you who want to bribe for you, islam is very fair in that


in the sense that, you are answerable for your own, Allah is Allah won't judge you once


a chance to


and one other story is like macam like sometimes it it gets to me yang macam ah, they say the first thing that will be questioned in alam kubur or in the hereafter is solat like if


if kau the first question like solat kau tak pass yang benda lain semua tak matter already


the solat that you missed ah solat just solat taubat then you just try not to do it again, but some people some mazhab say you have to pay back after every solat like slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly


until kita mampus then I asked I asked some people lah let's say [kan] macam how are we going to know how many solat that we missed


(mmhmm)


like let's say like aku because of the missed prayer [kan], then sis taubat so maybe macam sis susah nak tidur malam then the only time that I can wake up is pukul tiga pagi onwards ah


so maybe that's the time that like macam can be it macam not ganti lah like can it help or not


a'ah lah, ya just like the story yang yang the orang yang bunuh yang the ninety nine killer or something like that or yang yang bunuh berapa orang tu then dia repent


so he went to, ah then he went to this another ustaz then the ustaz was saying oh ah kalau kau nak berubah if you want to be in a better place then you have to get out of your surrounding now move to another place macam tempat yang lebih baik lah so he ah kau pergi dekat sini kau belajar agama something like that


ya because niat dia because dia belum taubat lagi tau he tak tahu apa-apa because he just on his way to nak taubat to get out of the place then he already get to syurga so the main story is like maybe


maybe it's the niat that matters lah


ya lah tapi maki [jer] lah, so if you want to maki just maki [jer] lah [kan], so I so I I thought I have this conversation lah so, moral of the story is all based on out niat what so if like Allah decide on where we should go


because if if we were to be judged on our sins dengan kita punya doings and everything I think nobody in this world in these deserving of Jannah


good person, sinners, sinners who repent, ya lah


plus point


so Allah is fair like that Allah love us in a way that way lah I think that's how I think islam to me islam is a very loving religion ah a very loving very empathetic


compassion, society, first thing society ah


I hope for that ustaz also yesterday that macam he's saying lah macam we should educate our child, that, that be modest penting is part of islam and all but kita pun kena ajar anak kita that you know doesn't mean that dia tak pakai tudung she is not modest enough


true, I think just now ah flying all my tudung then macam apa ni ten


my expire date is thirty first july two years after this


ya lah


perfect, ya maybe we, like sis pernah kena judge masa sis kerja dekat ah my previous workplace yang kat #tai seng# tu [kan]


ah I I apa after I started pakai balik tudung right


ya lah but it's not perempuan pakai tudung [jer] buat apa yang tak pakai tudung also buat what, so why are you judging just because we wear tudung wear tudung doesn't mean yang kita ni malaikat what


you meet american union people start a, step good good


(hmm), what do you mean


ya lah, then if I judge all muslim men are or all religious men are semua pun macam tak betul how


at first sis was like sis dah jadi defensive lah because all of this is something new to me, like at first my friends semua tak nak friend with me


then I say to her lah tak semestinya that I wear tudung aku baik [seh], I wear tudung is because I wanted, to


change for agama lah, like sis want to change like sampai bila nak jadi macam itu maybe if I wear tudung it will remind me to to to be modest, to proper to be more proper to macam jaga diri in public


you know like macam dulu I never wear tudung then sis pakai baju low cut and nampak macam niat kita tak nak tunjuk tau


stop getting attention from guys right but in these in this modern nya days if you wear niqab instead you attract more guys


wanted to know you wanting to know you ya because, you kau tak normal apa like people want to know how you look like behind those thing, then because


err ex Hafiz


when she wear niqab dia nampak cantik lah like you will imagine her to be a cantik girl so many girls are adding her tau, and she received a lot of DM from guys lah


so people added her, she gains more attention by that, ha


no, no, for what, but sis don't want to be macam tu but sometimes


then I when I was having this conversation with Hafiz I was saying like you know I don't sometimes I don't I feel like I don't deserve to wear niqab lah because the purpose of wearing niqab is to grown away daripada attention what


because ya, but sometimes we tend to forget like sometimes you know kita dekat public eh bodoh lah like that


because sometimes when we wear tudung also our cara cakap also still the same what, so sis feel that, (hmm), then


you nak jaga macam mana nak makan then macam like sometimes when we talk to guys like


I tried what once then I feel like I cannot, but then I say lah because when I see a people a girl wearing Niqab err I have expectation on them ah, then macam I say macam I hear perempuan pakai niqab I hear dia orang macam giggle macam gedik like I don't like


a'ah lah


maybe because I have unresolved issue with perempuan pakai niqab


like Neelofa ah macam Neelofa, what to expect, react, then how to react


to certain things, so macam so, people lagi macam have a better understanding of islam, so if kau react wrongly people macam oh orang islam macam ini lah, no wonder lah you know that kind of thing


that's my personal belief lah like I wanted to add lah that especially during timing right, to me like it's, wear


wear ah, then I've asked myself if I were to wear niqab then I have to forsake a lot of my clothes ah like macam to change my whole wardrobe, then if I have to change my whole wardrobe then I I ask I ask I say myself like macam if I have to change my wardrobe that means all these while when I was wearing Hijab I am not wearing properly


that I'm wearing for the sake of covering [jer]


a'ah, (mmhmm), big


big build ya, ya


then how ah


but actually to look presentable is also part of, religion


but then if we wear like that err, because we will be looking so dull


(mmhmm) maybe we should maybe we should start doing that lah macam Neelofa you know like


still


what's the word ah the the the, ya Ringarde I don't want to be Ringarde, but


ya lah, true lah, and the creator, ya so like, so if you that's why they say when you pakai benda ni you are sacrificing the things that women like most


like being fashion, being looking like, ya


you shouldn't wear things that very bright, because you are attracting people like if <malay>kau dah buat macam gitu</malay> that is (ppo), you just want to


best furniture okay what are your hobbies what are you doing currently for your hobbies, the new running really, then what kind of books do you read


professional job relate, okay <tamil>என்னமாதிரி:enna madhiri</tamil> jobs what kind of jobs, , then you also mentioned running right so what marathons or long distance short distance what kind of running


how many medals so far have accumulated


ten okay not bad, then (ugh) now <tamil>நான்வந்து:nan vandhu</tamil> my <tamil>பொழுதுபோக்கு:poluthupokku</tamil> my hobbies are basically (ugh) I like to read I like to volunteer, and (ugh) now I also like to do fusion cooking so err volunteer you know as you know I've used volunteer in a lot of organization my current volunteer thing is with the silver generation office as the silver generation ambassador so during the evening I go and visit those (ugh) seniors staying around our area and then I tell them about the current err what are the <tamil>என்னசொல்வோம்:enna solvom</tamil> you know due to COVID government announced a lot of


so I go and share lah about the current situations with them and so far all the seniors have been very welcoming and they actually praised the COVID situation in how the COVID situation was handled in singapore


and then err cooking I like fusion cooking not just purely indian <tamil>சமையல்மட்டுமில்ல:samayal mattumilla</tamil> I like to mix with chinese western, err so far not had the taste has been okay, I'm thinking actually of opening up a youtube channel


so far all my cooking I actually take from youtube right now I'm thinking of err doing something with youtube open up my own channel and then you know ya but the problem is I can cook who will take the video can you help me to take the video


right, what about you do you have any ideas because currently the trend seems to be youtube channels


so when you say getting out of poverty what do you mean, most of the time the rich always say right you make money work for you so you need to have money to make money so if we are already poor how to make money the poor as to uses at certain techniques fragmented


uh what else okay Deepavali just ended how was your Deepavali


but this year due to COVID what changes did you make


not much visiting right, never go visiting at all, so there is a difference, l I think if I'm not mistaken like last year all you went to visit your your boys right at the dormitories and so on you went to eat Briyani all last year so this year all this is different lah


ya so this year is different right anyway how old are your workers the boys how did they celebrate their Deepavali


they they are not allowed to cook okay okay totally different lessons okay never obviously


oh okay , did you know something that day my nephew actually our nephew, told me he does not know why Deepavali is being celebrated when I heard that I was so surprised is like no I am surprised because I think primary school even the chinese students know who is <tamil>நரகாசுவரன்:naragasuvaran</tamil> they know what is Deepavali but our nephew an indian boy did not know who is <tamil>நரகாசுவரன்:naragasuvaran</tamil> I think he should know lah I think he forgot


you know Deepavali <tamil>நரகாசுவரன்:naragasuvaran</tamil> the festival of lights, I mean he doesn't speak tamil that's okay because from young he's been learning ya he's been mixing with other races is all very good but when he's can't even know the basics the cultures of our tamil was very disappointing for me


but anyway that was a shock to me but then currently that's what's happening a lot of err indian (ugh) children from the indian households they speak malay they speak chinese but they don't speak tamil


okay the feedback I got from the media and as well as you know those of my friends who are married with children is, they feel that learning tamil is worthless, they say that err how is tamil going to contribute


to my career how is it going to contribute to my growth, unfortunately


almost eighty percent of our communication is in english whether it's at work or even at home even at home reading siblings within a husband and wife within the parent and child I think it's, we have come to a stage where our first language ya we study english as a first language we tend to take it for granted our mother tongue


ya I mean I agree with that and all I mean I've also seen some research, no but the thing is I mean let's face facts in singapore people who can make money out of learning tamil speaking tamil is who the teachers


maybe some counsellors and of course some essential service you do need some tamil speaking to help them at all but other than that (ugh) tamil, can make it as a living is very difficult unless you really specialise in it like a translator or (ugh) you know other than that I don't really see that and I do agree yes I've also saw researchers where they said tamil is about five thousand years old and err you know that was one of the oldest language even older than you know all the other languages but still


our own society we tend to <tamil>நம்மதமிழர்களேதமிழவந்துஅவ்ளோமதிக்கிறதில்லதமிழுக்குகொடுக்கவேண்டியஅந்தமுக்கியத்துவத்தகொடுக்குமாற்றோம்ஏன்னுசொன்னாக்காஅந்தமதிப்புநம்மளுக்கேதெரியல:namma tamilargale tamila vandhu avlo mathikirathilla tamiluku koduka vendia andha mukiyathuvatha kodukamatrom yenu sonnaka andha mathipu nammaluke theriala</tamil> we feel that it's worthless


ventures more into the religion aspect I'm talking about the language


as a national language to them hindi is their national language so <tamil>இதெல்லாம்இதுபண்ணிபார்த்தா:idhellam idhu panni partha</tamil> singapore is we must appreciate <tamil>தமிழுக்குஒருமுக்கியத்துவம்கொடுத்துருக்காங்கதமிழமுதல்மொழியாகொடுத்துருக்காங்க:tamiluku oru mukiyathuvam koduthurukanga tamila muthalmoliya koduthurukanga</tamil> and everything in fact now I'm also in fact not also singapore but new zealand canada they also have a lot of tamil speaking MP ya and they are allowed in fact in their parliament they allowed to talk especially in their first speech they are allowed to speak in (ugh) their own mothertongue and appreciate and they spoke in tamil which I read about it ya I felt these kind of points when I say I am tamil speaking


and a government <tamil>ரொம்பபெருமையாஇருக்குதமிழ்நானும்தமிழ்பேசுறேன்அப்டினுநெனச்சாரொம்பபெருமையாஇருக்குஅதேசமயத்துலஅதவந்துஇந்தமாதிரி:romba perumaya irukku tamil nanum tamil pesuren apdinu nenacha romba perumaya iruku adhe samayathula adha vandhu indha madhiri</tamil> rare occurence all these situations and all these things are a very rare occurence


which makes me feel quite sad


no that's fine actually why we started this we started this because of our nephew ya but the thing is in singapore the sad fact is, ya tamil the recognition is still not that even our own tamilians okay in fact even me I'm so used to it in the currently that my thought my thought process my writing process


automatically comes in english first although tamil is my mother tongue most of the time I only use tamil to speak to who speak to our mother


because you asked me for points you ask me to write essays even now you know currently I'm doing course on communications right err globalization communication I'm doing a course on this wbesite called coursera


and I've got we've got assignments and during these assignments ah the err the assignments actually marked by our peers not really the lecturers peers three of their peers will mark and they will let us know so when I have an assignment even if it's because it's a globalized communications we also talk talk about other languages and all


my first instinct or my first thought is always english related I can write very well in english and all but when it comes to tamil even simple things like writing a a grocery lists or writing you know last time used to write letters to india and all but now because of whatsapp (ugh) face to face communication devices and all we don't even I stop writing tamil totally so


can you writing in tamil now if let's say I give you a piece of paper and pen now and I said okay draft the simple essay or draft the latter in tamil are you confident


because the opportunities are not there even ah our you know our CC samson the number of tamil cultural activities even before COVID let's not talk about COVID because of COVID of course everything is down but even before COVID


what kind of (ugh) programmes do the cc the indian association in the cc they create mostly for Deepavali for Punggol is as if we only have these two, festivals


so I want to see like , more get more involved in all these things, what are your thoughts


that's what I'm trying to say basically how in our day to day life how important is tamil or how much do we use it, I already told you the only time we tamil as you know in the main is when we watch movies we listen to tamil songs or we talk to the seniors <tamil>இப்போவந்துஎன்னோட:ipo vandhu ennoda</tamil> the civil generation office use <tamil>பண்றதால:panrathala</tamil> their main mode of communication is tamil but even then you know how in the initial stage I really face a lot of difficulties because certain terms under terms and terminologies <tamil></tamil> when we do a direct translation some of the meaning of the words just get lost so we end up not getting the right message across


so and especially in singapore all of us are trained from young, in dual languages so most of the time we jump from two languages either english and chinese english and malay or english and tamil, of course we are not limited to just two languages you personally know I also I've been trying to pick up korean in fact coursera I also pick up korean I'm learning korean also


so when too many languages which one do we focus on definitely the language that is most to be used in (ugh) our day to day common is english because that's a universal language we go to other countries even a non speaking english country but you can find english speakers there


I think language is just one aspect you can't say that just because they (ugh) you know can't speak their mother tongue that they lose their cultures I think this now and then the next thing will come into play which is nature versus nurture okay it will all come down to what it'll come down to what kind of society and community they are being inherent with


at end of the day home plays a big part even if let's say in your home, you don't forget your roots you don't forget your culture you incalculate them to your kids, doesn't matter if they attend you know even let's talk about you know not singapore lah let's talk about countries like canada new zealand and australia


those are english speaking countries but the tamil community there still maintain their roots why because they put in extra effort the parents in terms in the house ya you know the kids when they're schooling they'll mix with a lot of #ang moh## kids a lot of err english speaking speakers in fact their english the way they speak is also like accented is like you know the the the australian accent or the new york new york ah what new zealand and all but


they speak tamil also with an accent but if the parents ah play a part in incalculating their culture and home you know about the history of (ugh) tamil cultural history of whatever hinduism christianity whatever lah but as long as tamil plays a part and they do like weekend activities like bringing them to a temples or study sessions where they put in the extra effort I think the kids grow up with a strong roots also it's not forgotten it is you know who you know those parents who they themselves


feel that tamil is worthless that being a tamil is not a benefit for them instead it is going to hold them back in whichever country in singapore new zealand canada or whatever, those kids they lose their identity because they get confused they start thinking in a foreign way in the western way they start speaking english they do not follow their roots but the problem is to outsiders you can change your language you can change the way you dress you can change the way you wear your hair or whatever but to the outsiders unfortunately the skin colour and your asianness or your nationality


will definitely play a part, you can be you can walk the talk you can talk the talk by the end of the day how people look at you if you are brown black or asian that's how they going to classify you


this can't be avoided in any society


at the end of the day we don't have to go very far we just have to look within our household our own community as I said this all started because of our own nephew


ah <tamil>வந்து:vandhu</tamil> in fact I even quarantined my set come you know there's this studies being done for this english and tamil come let's do a one hour chat, and the first thing he told me was, I don't speak tamil


I said no need to be perfect tamil it could be just speaking you know broken tamil or whatever but as long as it's understood and its recognised it's understandable but he said no he's shy he don't want even want to speak tamil, even the only time I've seen him make an effort is when he talks to his party and even then it's all a mixture of languages it's not pure tamil so if you ask me in singapore can you see pure tamil ya is when we see our tamil mediacorp news they speak very perfect good tamil


but even then certain of the tabloid <tamil>தமிழ்வார்த்தைகள்வந்துஎனக்கேசிலதமிழ்வார்த்தைகள்புரியமாட்டேங்குது:tamil varthaigal vandhu enake sila tamil varthaigal puriamatenguthu</tamil> I have to go and find the tamil dictionary to find you know what are they trying to say is it relevant or


you see sometimes certain meaning gets lost in translation that's why I say we are all so used to english and (ugh) we are also affected by the western culture that I don't think in tamil I think in english I speak in english and I write in english if a person older person like me who's in my forties already like that then can you blame the young kids


uh no there's nothing wrong in schools being schools teaching the languages I've got no err what you call a nothing against what the teachers are doing or whatever but what I'm saying is it stops at school level


the most the most tamil is being a practice is the language is still what maybe A levels A levels I think optional I think compulsory is until about O levels I mean those who take up tamil lah the moment we stop our schooling


that said nobody goes back to you know practice tamil writing or even take tamil books you could you go to the library most of the time you end up taking english books


of course in fact my library card now they have really maximised the leverage that we are entitled to take sixteen books or ten books and four AB or something like that, no sixteen books one card can take sixteen books no that is all fantastic we have (ugh) tamil langauge division in the library and all what I'm trying to say is we are not making an effort the effort is not on us and why if you ask me why I don't know habit is it habitual


no no no you can't say that because tamil is still being practiced books are still written movies are being taken


because there is a whole country which I think is the second I think largest country in the world india in india tamil speaking (ugh) (ugh) what you call nations cities you know like <tamil>தமிழ்நாடு:tamil#nadu#</tamil> is part of india <tamil>தமிழ்நாடு:tamil#nadu#</tamil> is definitely tamil speaking there are other parts of india which are also states which also practice tamil as their they are not going to stop so we can't say that just because of singapore or the western countries we don't read tamil books we don't (ugh) speak tamil much that tamil is going to be lost no that is not going to happen because these states and all they have working people their study language itself in tamil in fact I saw a lot of youtube videos where the teachers the lecturers in india


they are using tamil to teach the subjects like science maths and I'm surprised because most of the terminology used


ya but the thing is, in those countries when you look at the lecture speaking english you'll automatically laugh because their main language is tamil so to them english is a second language so that's what's happening here here our main languages is in english so we tend to concentrate more on on that language


we I don't know is it because it's easier because english only got twenty six alphabets whereas our tamil got how many alphabets two hundred and forty seven twenty six I think is much easier to remember and even in the writing method twenty six alphabets is not difficult


so isn't it very more isn't it more difficult learning tamil, ah mandarin okay speaking spoken mandarin I got no issue but I know writing is not easy ya ya ya ya true true true ya ya true in fact the languages like mandarin korean japanese their writing is also challenging but for them if you look at it they use more like (ugh)


strokes lines and strokes, is it okay I have no (ugh)


now you're talking about tamil or you're talking about mandarin in tamil but in tamil ya as I said it's too difficult because even the writing lots of cursive writing and as I said in one sound just by the sound how do we regognise which one as I said they got small they got middle they got big


so it during the school time I used to make a lot of these mistakes, what is the difference the the the difference in the sum is just very miniscule but they want to perfect it


they sound the difference between the three lah ra whatever is miniscule why must they make a big deal out of it why must it be <tamil>வாழைப்பழம்:valaipalam</tamil> yes I I not disputing I'm not disputing I'm saying that one of the reasons that (ugh) you know in singapore and western countries tamil is not you know being the kids and the parents are not advising the parents to take parents as a second language I feel is because of this is because of the difficult level it comes to a point that unless you want to invest the time and the effort to really learn it properly


no one is taking it seriously you know my our nephew when I asked him he the the thing he told me was tamil is not necessary for me why is tamil important for me how is it going to help me my career because wherever I go for studies or this one they are asking me about malay they asking about mandarin but not tamil


so people are unless you have a passion for language, I don't think anyone is going you know pick up tamil, same goes for us because the language it sounds very difficult you if you don't have the passion for it then forget it


no I don't think it's going to work because even if let's what you say staying in india <tamil>தமிழ்நாடு:tamil#nadu#</tamil> for six months or one year most of the people there speak english as I said doesn't matter if you are in india tama#nadu# you will surprised even the village children are speaking english even the villagers even our tamil movies <tamil>வருது:varuthu</tamil> is all english they are calling it tanglish now it's a mixture of tamil and english tanglish just like in singapore we mix up our malay our chinese I mean our mandarin our malay singlish


it's now called tanglish they are creating a new language like that in india tema#nadu#, and all this or you see a lot of youtube videos I was interested


it's a regression because when you say progression, you have to keep it as it is keep the language purely at its form but currently I don't accept for english none of the other language are kept it in its purest form everything got mixture


okay I no not really if you talk about if you say it is a regression not a progression let me now check ask you, you know now people we are whatsapping we are sm s ing and all right most of the time


okay we are using short forms, even in that and you know I read an article that students nowadays they're doing very badly even in english especially compositions and so on in fact they write short forms in their essays because we are so used to SMS ing in whatsapp so we cut everything to the miniscule you know all the words you see that's when the generation gap comes into play ah because when older people when we key everything the younger generation say why you wasting effort why you wasting your this one that's why the generation gap comes to play so acronyms yes correc they oh there is if you look online there is certain websites which clarifies all the short acronyms that we use in whatsapp and SMS in fact if you are if you know those things you are in the hip lah you are in the younger


I have no idea nowadays ah the way I see them how do I see as I say it pros and cons but if you talk about you know


ya that is where generation comes into play as I say for you know all the short acronyms right LOL laughing out loud (ugh) ROFL what is R O F L F L, rolling on the floor ROFL rolling on the floor laughing


rolling on the floor laughing that means they find it very funny, as I say because now I think is okay you know when this in fact I don't we can really say generation if you really look at it ah all this shortening form using (ugh) numbers and letters is during pager pager time


N V R I think N V M ya I know they got a lot never mind correct forget, F forget I think four and eight I think great is eight (ugh) sorry to say I don't use tamil fonts in phone in my smart phone in fact even our keyboards unless you have the tamil software you know all those laptops and all unless you specifically download it


it's not auto, and when you want to use the tamil fonts you know it's a another big headache, so because of all these difficulties people want the easy way out easy way out is english because it's universal it's everywhere your your phones your smartphones your laptops you know even the online keyboards


and so english is the accessible language, that's one of the reasons I think all the other languages are losing out and for me I, feel ya slightly sad about it because if you you say mother tongue ah ya our routes our routes are from india our mothertongue is tamil but do we give enough importance for it no


ya I I would take that I'll ya I think it's a valid point is too many languages doesn't give unity correct which is true even in singapore if you look at it what is one of the unifying thing among all of us all the different races is because of english because we that was before right I think efr what even in our our after the independence when they sit down you know they drafted out all the err what you call the declaration and they drafted out all the national languages and all I think english making english as the first language was a was a good thing because that's one of the thing which unifies all of us we are not diverse by languages


I think their first languages is malay regardless whether you are a chinese student or an indian student or even a westerner if you are studying in their school system it's in malay just like in india is tamil I mean not in india in tamil#nadu# is in tamil


ah which I think now were they also trying to have their national language hindi to be taught even even the religious and also on and that's for their country but you know when he come languages


let's not talk politics no what I'm trying to say is that, language by itself, okay only few languages have really uh managed to last long time and are still widely used in today's society


tamil yes it has survived for five thousand years but will it be able to survive another five thousand years is a question mark, because just one state tamil Nadu alone can't carry tamil throughout


the future generations, err, yes I do see organisations here and there I do see contributor contributors from western countries, but as I said what is left is not in the purest form because


throughout the time you know last time you know they did not have books and not so much of knowledge was last likewise if we're not speaking or you know


because I think very few people, are using it at its purest form, and one of the reasons I think is because of the difficult level and whether it can


I don't remember if you ask me I can only remember one or two <tamil>எல்லாமேநியாபகம்இருக்கா:ellame niyabagam iruka</tamil> okay no need to go let's let's do the simple one <tamil>ஆத்திச்சூடி:aathichudi</tamil> only ten the first ten is the easiest right


ya that's why I say because of the moment we leave school we forget it the language gets lost <tamil>ஆனாதிருக்குறள்நியாபகம்வருது:ana thirukural niyabagam varuthu</tamil> also what they have thousand and three hundred over


(ugh) ya ya thousand three hundred thirty I think so I think I'm getting it correctly is thousand three hundred twenty but if you ask me to tell the most to most I can come up with is two to five in thousand over


so who are we to blame


that's the thing what are our key literatures not many people know you know they think <tamil>பகவத்கீதை:bhagavatgeethai</tamil> is the only text they have what about <tamil>ராமாயணம்:ramayanam</tamil> what about <tamil>மகாபாரதம்:mahabharatham</tamil> do you think people are bothering to really be only see the movies we see the movies and the radio the drama


ya that's why that's what I'm saying, why personally I feel like tamil as regressed as a language as a common language or whatever because unless you specialize in it your daily bread and butter that's why I'm I'm I'm I'm also thinking to be very honest I've been like you know trying to think of ways to get our nephew to speak tamil because


I feel very bad he's born from indian parents he doesn't speak any seems to be proud of it that's the sad thing he doesn't, even feel that not knowing tamil, it's a shame to him he says as if it with a proud he's feeling proud that he doesn't speak tamil


that one parents that's why I say nature versus nurture ya the parents played a big part but the problem is we also enhanced it when he comes here because he doesn't understand because you don't want to take the effort to understand we also take it the easy way out we also talk to him in english the only person he attempts to even try to speak in tamil is mum


and but the end of the day, you know I don't know


people like say I know people like our nephew, and even me lah want I feel that I want to take this opportunity to really go and read more in tamil and err write tamil, because so many things it's knowledge and I feel that we are we are missing out in all this knowledge


(ugh) I don't know do we have a tamil representative there should be, not just the you know the CC they have I think the indian association ughthe tamil indian association or something


ah activities group yes correct indian activities group I don't think that's enough as you say that is segregated by the different divisions from where they come, I also feel there's a lack there you know I don't know whether it's the same in the mandarin speak I mean the chinese community or the malay community I don't know whether they're facing the same thing


one thing I appreciate about the malays is they are more culturally united


especially #hari raya# you say you can see their unity very clearly and they speak malay in their households


I say every language you take okay not just tamil where it becomes tanglish or singapore the local english becomes singlish even malay I don't know is it malish I don't know every language you take there you can find a mixture of english you will definitely which is why I say english has now become a supreme language


their <tamil>எனக்கென்னமோ:enakennamo</tamil> I feel that the issue should be issued from the twenties because okay we during the teens we finish diploma degree whatever <tamil>இருபதுவயசுலஇருந்து:irupadhu vayasula irunthu</tamil> our workplace


encouraged mother tongue or encourage cultural day you know maybe take like once a month or whatever encourage them to go back to the roots in workplaces is it going to be but the problem is is it gonna be very productive for the bosses productive for the company no I don't think so because this is only going to be cultural base


so I'm unfortunately the fact is unless it makes money nobody's willing to look at it or nobody's going to (ugh) effort for it so it's a sad fact lah we can talk


that's why I said unfortunately <tamil>எல்லாவேலையிடத்துலயும்அதுஇல்லையே:ella velayidathulayum adhu ilaye</tamil> only selected certain you know certain career choices or certain jobs require the use of tamil so like as I say people like essential services like nursing ah teaching of course <tamil>இதுலலாம்தமிழ்பேசுறவங்ககண்டிப்பாதேவைப்படறாங்கஇப்போவந்து:idhulam tamilla pesuravanga kandipa thevaipadranga ipo vandhu</tamil> I feel that tamil improve


I mean personally don't you feel ashamed of yourself also how come I'm uh I'm uh my mother tongue is tamil I'm a tamilian but I can't speak fluently tamil for ten minutes don't you feel ashamed of that


so you know as the person in the world <tamil>நம்மஎங்கபண்ணாலும்:namma enga pannalum</tamil> if you know english you can survive


ya so at the end of the day it comes to passion it comes to interest so for our family our families we can't do much for sanjay anyways a very good chat session thank you for it


running ah running reading, books ah all those (ugh) job related lah professional


valid valid related, jobs, (ugh) more management lah management, and (ugh) personal development


marathon an ultra marathon lah running, virtual now with COVID nineteen virtual, I think about fifty over but COVID period I did about ten rounds to date


contribute back is it, try <tamil>பண்ணலாம்:pannalam</tamil> no problem you can give it a try, ah ya there are few ideas but <tamil>இன்னும்ஒழுங்கா:innum olunga</tamil> consider <tamil>பண்ணனும்:pannanum</tamil> few ideas you know things like


how people can develop themselves and move on to the next stage of their life, poor people cause the poor actually many of them do not know the method of getting out of the poverty


well and (ugh) there's some ideas know let's see about it


ah so the poor the poor has to use certain techniques to attract money okay instead of just complaining there is no money okay so they have to use certain techniques to attract, okay if not they will forever stay in that same mental frame


some techniques okay when they check when I put it into practice then you'll know, same lah same every year is the same thing


is like where got changes just same same thing, same old thing you know a few person do everything and just within the few people you know within the same


four walls, why take the risk of going visiting


(ugh) ya that one was last year during Deepavali as well as #hari raya# time, on a small scale


they're not allowed to cook so they buy they have to cater the food and all that, so so you're totally different in that sense for them lah for me is same but for them is a bit different visiting part was the only different thing


later I'll show <tamil>அப்புறம்மேலஒரு:apuram mela oru</tamil> latest reserach where two guy two researchers did a DNA analysis and you know what they found, the first people to be living on earth okay this is a UK researches are tamils


okay and then from there they branch out to all over the world, okay and the, areas you know are actually nomads who came in much later and occupy india, so is the latest one you know which is almost foolproof and accepted okay later I send you the the article for reading


so you know people saying that tamil won't feed you ah cannot be a profession all these think don't hold waters


is not religion is not religion is still scientific okay is scientific okay because they were looking all over the world where is the centre of the earth and you know eventually they found out <tamil>சிதம்பரம்:sidhambaram</tamil> is the centre of earth


so use both science and religion intertwine so you cannot say just you know religion


oh that's why I tell you tamil is not your purely cannot isolate tamil <tamil>தமிழாநீஒருசாதாரணமொழியாநீபார்க்கமுடியாதுதமிழ்ங்கிறமொழிலஎல்லாமொழியும்வந்துகொஞ்சம்கொஞ்சம்கலந்திருக்கு:tamila nee oru sadharana moliya nee parka mudiathu tamilngra molila ella moliyum vandhu konjam konjam kalanthiruku</tamil> okay


no it could also be because, two factors one is probably this country their leadership they recognise thevalue of tamil and tamil culture you know and, they rec you know they give (ugh) you know the status of a state or national language know but on the other hand in all this country they have this policy called diversity so in order to enhance the diversity


they could have just brought it in, so think about it


you know, that I'm doing right now you I'm going to last time I'll just write in english now I'm going to write in english and translate to tamil okay, can I can I can


I can I can, I did first language tamil remember you forgot ah still live with a little bit of attempt I think I can make it


well you just speaking from a micro perspective you know there are organization that you know actually champions what tamil you know various aspect of tamils and tamil culture you know like (ugh)


only a part of a religion you have err things like hindu centre theb language you have the tamil representative council and there are so many organizations you know even there's a group that do , what do you call a toast


toast masters club in tamil you know there are but maybe you know not many people have their awareness, and the fact is as you (ugh), grow mature, very seldom we have time for all these to attend even these events you're busy with your work and career


not only in tamil every culture the language is the key you know key to the cultural the survival you know, to the to the extent that you know, people lose their identity when they lose their language


because they are unable to connect they become very westernized they you see many of the asians will go over overseas to all the western countries they lose their identity in fact the way they speak the way they behave is like totally different even their accent is different


they lose touch know with the roots, and that's where the language play a very key you know roll in making sure all this you know cultural and whatever aspect you know that means the roots remain with you


that is your that is a perception you know you are talking perception of soceity, but in order to you know maintain ah one of the things that maybe parents should consider is having a very strict (ugh) you know rule that when you come into their home you have to speak your mother tongue outside you can you are you can use any language you're comfortable when they set such kind of rules ah I know people who can speak (ugh) five languages okay is because of that you know they able the parents able to draw a line when they're supposed to use which language


so that's one aspect that either parents should consider I <tamil>சிலபேருக்குதெரியும்</tamil> when I was a student they were all, students of tamil schools you know tamil medium but eventually they shy away from talking tamil okay because of


how people perceive them you know because they have this stigma that they are from tamil school you know people may will look down on them you know but actually that's not the truth also, we have a variety of factors lah know variety of factors and situation that determine all this know and (ugh) I think


like what you say in singapore actually the government's effort is commendable you know but (ugh), in in even in malaysia I think to a certain extent you know they're they're you know government support because of the in our political affiliation with the you know <tamil>அவங்களும்:avangalum</tamil> and all that


the road ahead ah is quite challenging okay for tamil okay unless conscious efforts are taken you know it might be a downward trend, even that you look at the tamil Nadu itself


you know they do have different variation of tamil in different sectors, you know and that itself is actually quite amazing because here in singapore okay, we used almost perfect tamil perfect tamil in compared to their you know look at their baby compatibility tv to tv channel ah in some TV we use champion <tamil>பெற்றபெற்ற:petra petra</tamil> what is <tamil>பெற்றபெற்ற:petra petra</tamil> but in media corp you know tamil news <tamil>வசந்தன்:vasanthan</tamil> tamil news they use


but ah <tamil>வெற்றிபெற்ற:vetri petra</tamil> so you see all these differences it makes a lot of, I don't know ah you know is conscious effort


so are you saying that there is uh, you know there are some reforms that need to be done in the way you know the the schools teach in teach the languages


why why why why is it like that I mean you are entitled to take a few books what few books you know you are entilted to take a few books why can't you just take (ugh)


tamil books may not exist in the libraries anymore that is another big concern, no I mean it is still a resource you know is resource and if your resource has not been utilised then what is the point of holding it


ya ya ya now you say that <tamil>இருக்கு:irukku</tamil> I studied about one year in india in tamil school know


now I remember very very young ah very very young now I remember the the the the method of instruction is tamil


tamil easy because each alphabet represents a sound, so by forming the, you know words by using some of the is much easier


to remember the right stroke ah I think you need more training than learning tamil know


one alphabet represent one sound okay so by putting each, you know alphabet it forms a sound and that sound represent a meaning for the thing


it all depends you know your teacher I think they know training okay by the way you put your tongue in the tip of your you know tip or in the middle or you roll it back that is the difference


I didn't know whether to see this as a progression in their language or regression


the english that we was used during william shakespeare's time it differs it's not its purest form so language has to evolve according to societal needs and changes so why should we consider it as regression maybe we can see it from progressive perspective


in the heat means you are looking at the progressive perspective but people like me view it as not is regressive because their sense of the language is gone you know and basically because I think nowadays kids study online and they use computers laptops and (ugh) you know notebooks and all that right so they have option of spellcheck they have option of checking their grammar


you see straightaway you call me you know that (ugh) different generation old generation because I key in I write in the whole form


why must waste effort in coming up with sentence when you can just use one or two phrase


you know you know since you mention that ah you know what is the you know you know I did history right you know my #qin shi huang di# what was his greatest contribution to china was what not, he come up with a standard unified language and he forced upon everybody


you know and and that has contributed to the you know the unity of china you know as a country unlike india there's so many different dialects I think the last I went to india I saw the language ah I think it runs like three hundred in all you know so so because of this lack of these are the common communication you know because too many dialects so they are unable to jump together but they exist


as a country just because of that you know the arrangement, into a you know an arrangement that the country has come up with, so


not only unity I think that was the writing because is (ugh) now is the international language and the business langauge if not I think it would have, we are a tough time you know imagine having some other language


but the thing you see this language thing has been politicized in tamil#nadu#


well <tamil>எல்லாத்துக்கும்:ellathukum</tamil> is not necessary to remember everything so long as you remember the relevant one is good enough even schools they don't even in school they don't teach the whole book even I did as a first language the school never teach you from one to hundred and no one thousand three hundred and thirty they select a few those that has key messages that you need to learn that's all


so, I think that's a small step towards the bigger step okay as long, we have interest in our our you know key literature books is good enough you know


so the root cause is the parents didn't expose him to the language when he was young even his name was given as


no to be I don't just see one's persons problem okay I'm seeing it from a national perspective, what can we do on a national level you know there are so many indian organisation all with different I mean they're all serving the tamils and tamil society but they're all level they are not united together they are all your own individual agendas and (ugh) what not but they should come together as one single unity at the moment


similar similar that's why there are campaigns they have they have all the speak mandarin even speak good english campaigns you know shock


but their malay is also not pure like used to be you know is a mixture of english and malay or nowadays they use words like I okay they don't use the words sayer


no coming back to the the the you know any suggestions on how to you know, tackle this problem you know tamil kids, not familiar with tamil ah unable to speak


but hopefully they don't lose their cultural roots so what what other suggestions ah you think that can be addressed a national level besides all this organization coming in together


in fact my my my chinese and malay colleagues they take they learn tamil you know why are our workforce predominates bangladeshi and the indians mostly tamils so


ah volunteer next week lah dia start tak tahu lah apa dia buat but ah like I told you lah we we started with the orientation online because sekarang we are still in the phase


two so according to ministry of health uh we cannot have face to face interaction with , the patients lah the cancer patients so, what I am going to do and I've told them I'm going to help with is the


copyright copyrighting untuk uh tak tahu apa lah dia punya social media punya page lah, so ya lah that's what I'm going to be doing for volunteer


as as as a as a cancer as cancer society punya volunteer we can only meet when it's phase three because MOH has strict guidelines sekarang uh because people you know cannot meet


so if, so it was online on zoom and what happened what happened was they but they recorded a lot of people there were thirty of us, (ugh) so thirteen new volunteers so that that's pretty good


so I mean there are different things that we, can do lah macam so I want to do the copyrighting, and then you know the like translation you can do things for macam design uh photography


uh they have macam a knitting crochet with the patients but sekarang takde lah pasal you know it's it's uh only phase two and then they have they do a lot of things ah cancer society they've been around for a long time jadi so they they're very established in the community


so I think the main their main goal which which is really why I joined


uh how to do screening so they hold the screening the cancer screening, because a lot what we were told as as now new volunteers is, uh ramai orang macam takut nak buat cancer screening because of course takut lah macam people takut nak buat cancer screening


in case they find out they have cancer so last year they gave us the statistics last year the cancer society did a hundred thousand cancer screenings, which in the population in singapore of like five point something million is not a lot lah ya so macam gitu lah ya I'm looking


forward to it lah honestly something I've been wanting to do for a macam dah lama gitu so uh ya Inshaallah I'll be able to do quite a lot from next year, you think so


no next week they will give me the they have something in mind I think uh ya and then macam I'll just


so they want to see that we can do it and that we want to do it, uh but of course they ask that eh no kalau once you commit you have to do it ah bukan macam suka-suka macam this week buat next week tak nak buat ya


ya beyond that I have to do more of course I'll start with what I can do which is what I'm doing you know for work and and all but


oh that's very soon


okay so what they do is on the form in uh apa apa tu during the four main religious group punya holidays so chinese new year is the first one so they do christmas chinese new year


I think now dia tak buat apa-apa lah this year they cannot do anything but what happens is for these main events they have uh all volunteers come together and kita macam pack pack goodie bags gifts and for chinese new year they have #ang pao#


ah so the the money is like donated from you know from community from companies and and stuff and they give they give, families so cancer society helps lower income families with their expenses


so a lot of families you know cannot as it is macam tak boleh afford treatment and then balik rumah rumah macam gitu and then cannot afford to buy food, food they can't afford cab fare to go back and forth so cancer society gives them like grants and and you know money like contributions uh so the low income families can afford it so for chinese new year they do this but normally they said for chinese new year orang datang like people have to come to them to collect the #ang pao# but this may be depending on uh whether or not phase three starts next year lah I don't know whether that's going to happen ke tak ya so that's next year


next year lah next year when we can


oh ya that's one of the things you do when you go to the homes the uh programs where volunteers kemaskan rumah cucikan rumah tau, so, ya I mean there's lots there's lots that you can do as a volunteer the I mean macam banyak macam program program lah you know there's a lot to do so one of the things ya ya so they they do cleaning for the patient's homes because a lot of times especially the lower income families


they the caregivers go with the patients to do the treatment and then balik they are both, too penat uh the but macam especially the patient to do anything else so the cancer society sends in volunteers to go to the house


you know just to fend for themsleves independently


and so they come and clean out and then they repaint, they bring in, and stuff like that lah so it's a lot of things that are happening for them and I think that that's why they regularly have macam apa tu volunteer drive so this was the latest volunteer drive and I signed up for it


ya, because you're not I mean you're not you're not like it's not like you're signing a contract untuk apa [kan] and it's really up to you


so,


, okay okay okay now I understand, ah,


it's quite near ya ya ya, okay ya ya ya


, ya okay


even with the ini the dogs and the cats


ah, ah ya ya ya ya


oh okay


for the adoption drive, okay okay okay ya, ya


okay ya, okay, so the fosterers untuk anjing-anjing kucing-kucing like is it is it only untuk the dogs or untuk kucing-kucing also, okay


, newborn okay newborn cats [jer] lah


so when you say volunteer with SPCA doing this maknanya you take on the volunteer work with the money as well, like for everything


, SPCA has a clinic


okay


so who pays for SPCA punya clinic like they have this clinic and they are themselves they are themselves a charity so they have, so only only donations from from people from the public


!wow!


ah okay ya


what is the nama oh okay


like uh


PH property development uh


so what does SPCA have to do with that like what is the plan then


so you are saying when, but do you all know you know as volunteers of uh SPCA and working in this working in this uh apa tu dia sector does the government actually have a plan uh when when macam like they go now kat belakang ni like there's this


that they know, all these uh animals are going to be there and they going to drive out the animals do they know this is going to happen and then if they do know, do they have a plan, which one is no


both


but how can it be macam gini like because it has been going on for so long it's not as if macam kita baru start nak develop lands or takeover lands it's been macam we've been we've been building HDB


and and other housing since bila kita punya independence nineteen sixties ah,


but this is assuming that there are still jungles for them to go back into


, so that's only the dogs because I know dekat #pasir ris# when I went uh Pasir park ya I saw the wild boar was right there in front of me behind the fence


where are the pythons


no I don't know,


ya ya


eh kau punya kerusi ni gatal [seh], no it's your skin


okay so I understand because I can see all the apa anjing-anjing [kan] I can see


uh the wild boars but what happens to the all the snakes, who takes care who is supposed to because kat sini I've seen satu just one snake and


hello this is art ah by a very well known artist, ya I bought this when I was in dubai he is a a a young and


really up and coming artist and, he's a syrian refugee dia tinggal dekat lebanon


because that is deadly that is deadly okay with because


what is ACRES


microchip the snake


so are there a lot of, uh snakes because I mean we we don't often hear about uh ular macam ular coming out there are not as many sightings as dogs and and the wild boars especially so


and and then dia macam masuk dalam longkang and then it just like slithered away but it was enough for me to macam takut uh because I can't I betul betul there's one thing I cannot do is reptiles and and snakes and like big lizards tak boleh tak boleh tak boleh so


so the thing is dekat here in in where where I am where I live sometimes I do see the the stray dogs there is a family of three kadang-kadang macam during the day I can see them they like to sleep under the vans


the lorries ya so there's, one auntie dia auntie tinggal kat tak tahu block mana she comes around to feed the cats so she was telling me the other day that uh dulu dia kena saman because she fed the dogs


so I don't I don't know anything about macam people feeding uh stray cats or stray dogs but auntie ni sometimes I give her some money because she buys a lot of food untuk she feeds a lot of stray cats macam she brings macam besar you know macam orang-orang macam ini


!huh!


uh, ah


oh okay,


what do you mean two hours to clear siapa yang pergi check


what do you mean NEA walk past lepas tu kena fine tak boleh feed but you can feed right


how do they know macam who keeps tabs on these two hours thing


tapi kau duduk situ so you have to like sit there and watch the cat eat until it's finished, okay


oh, ah because then you attract all the all the like cockroaches and a'ah betul ya that's true


but how much is the what is the


for littering, why they do that, oh I didn't know that


oh, who puts up these these signs, oh say


ya but the the cats kat sini bagus juga lah and honestly the cats around here gemuk-gemuk because of macam auntie macam gini and this, eh apa kat belakang ni there are couple of cats who always come around and they they get fed more than one person


about the same kat sini so every morning when I this my my block when when when I when I wake up to to and I go to the you know the bathroom peep there are, six six-ish in the morning I hear sausage who is the neighbourhood cat who is so cute nama dia sausage aku kasih nama [jer] lah so I I sausage comes and I can hear sausage meowing because I'm on the third floor I can hear sausage meowing from the downstairs


and then as the day goes on when I like look out the window I can see someone else coming there's another man kat dia tinggal kat I think like behind this block


he comes and he feeds sausage again sausage ni honestly I've never seen stray cats, and they're not stray cats they they are neighbourhood cats there are two of them that are that that are here in this block like this block predominantly and and around just a few other blocks yes they're community cats ya they are so well fed honestly


I mean uh macam the the, size tu macam comparable to a domestic cat like a cat punya kat kat rumah orang ya ya a pet cat, so you know they were they were they're they're well taken care of kat sini I always see the same cats around here so you know that people that they feel safe


here they always they live around here ya so it's nice ya it's nice to have all these kinds of things but the dogs, have run away dulu we used to see more of the dogs, uh during the day especially during the circuit breaker this is what I notice I first saw them during the circuit breaker ya because takde orang keluar [kan]