After that, he began to serve as a Keishi (the steward) for the Kujo family, one of the Gosekke (the five Sekke regent family) and during that period, he taught the children of the Kujo family about Kidendo (historical science), also called Monjodo (Chinese classics), which was their family business..
これ以降、五摂家のひとつ九条家の家司として仕えることとなり、その間、九条家の子弟に対して家業である紀伝道（文章道）の教育にも当たる。