However, there are two theories for its birthplace; one is that in 1894 Atsujiro YAMADA lived in the present Ichinose, Yoshikawa-cho, Miki City, Hyogo Prefecture, as the originator, negotiated with Etsuzo TATSUMA who was Kuramoto presently located in Nishinomiya City and started dealings, and another theory is that from 1891 to 1892 residents lived in Kamikume settlement, Yashiro-cho, Kato City started dealings with Honkano Shoten located presently in Nada Ward, Kobe City.
しかし、発祥地は二説あり、明治26年に現在の三木市吉川町(兵庫県)市野瀬の山田篤治朗が発起人となり、現在の西宮市にある蔵元の辰馬悦蔵と交渉し、取引を開始した説と、明治24年から翌明治25年頃に現在の加東市社町上久米集落の住民が現在の神戸市灘区の本嘉納商店と取引を開始した説がある。