The shoryu, however, were given a certain level of individuality and some shoryu attempted to be independent from or publicly opposed to the chakuryu; furthermore, there were even those who tried to usurp or overthrow the soke.
しかし、庶流にも一定の独自性が担保され、嫡流からの自立を図ったり、公然と逆らう者もあった他、宗家の簒奪や打倒を図る者さえあった。