On the other hand, it was in 1464 when Yoshimasa decided to go into seclusion and he had already started his hobby career before the Higashiyama period by having Noami compile Kundaikansochoki (book of secrets about zashiki-kazari (decoration of room or study with shoin (one of Japan's most important residential architectural styles, established in the Momoyama era))); the possibility that Juko instructed the Way of Tea to Yoshimasa during his years at Ogawa-gosho Palace still remains.
ただし、義政が隠居を決意したのは1464年（寛正5年）であり、能阿弥に君台観左右帳記を編纂させるなど東山時代以前に趣味生活に入っているから、珠光が能阿弥を介して小川御所時代の義政に茶を教えた可能性はなお残る。