The Takda army was so strong that people in the region ruled by Nobunaga talked about their strength, saying `The Takeada army and Uesugi army are the strongest in the world', even after the Takeda army suffered a major defeat at the Battle of Nagashino (refer to the section for April, 1528 of the records of Kofuku-ji Temple and Renjo-in Temple in Yamato Province).
武田軍の強さは、長篠の戦いで大敗した後も、信長の支配地域において「武田軍と上杉軍の強さは天下一である」と噂されるほどのものであった（大和国興福寺蓮成院記録・天正十年三月の項を参照）。