On the other hand, Tenkei Denson and others criticized Dohaku, who tried to apply seiki (regulations) of the other sect (Obaku Sect) instead of traditional regulations established by Dogen, as 'formalism' and there were debates among them.
しかし一方で天桂伝尊などが、道元以来の宗規に拠らず他流（黄檗宗）の清規を当てはめようとした道白を「形式主義」と批判し、論争をよんだ。