In March 1611, when Ieyasu pressured Hideyori to come to meet him at the Nijo-jo Castle, together with Kiyomasa KATO and Yoshinaga ASANO, he persuaded Yodo-dono who strongly opposed to it by saying that the Toyotomi family was the main lineage, and succeeded in making Hideyori's procession to Kyoto.
慶長16年（1611年）3月に家康が秀頼に対し二条城での会見を迫った時には、いまなお豊臣家が主筋と自負して強硬に反対した淀殿を加藤清正や浅野幸長とともに説得し、秀頼の上洛を実現させた。