When Nobuoki and the vassal of the Sakai family went to Tadamasa again to ask for his consultation, Tadamasa finally expressed his opinion by taking consideration of their repeated requests.
信興と酒井家の家臣は再び忠昌の下に参じてこの談を議したところ、重ねてたずねられることではあるので忠昌も見解を述べたという。