Subsequently, he published 'Seifu Sagen' (a book on sajicha, the spoon tea ceremony) in 1794 and 'Reigotsu' (a study of the use of kana) in 1797 while moving house in locations such as the precincts of Nanzen-ji Temple (Sakyo Ward), Higashi no Toin Shijo (Shimogyo Ward) and Koromo no Tana Marutamachi (Kamigyo Ward) to Fukuro-cho.
その後、南禅寺山内（左京区）、東洞院四条（下京区）、衣棚丸太町（上京区）、袋町と転々しながら、1794年「清風瑣言」（匙茶道書）を、1797年「霊語通」（仮名遣い研究）を上梓。