He was considered as one member of Suo's family or his disciple, but it is not clear for the reason that he was from Tarumi ward, Harima Province and that he was much older than Suo.
菘翁の一族か門弟であるとされるが、播磨国垂水区の出身であるとされる点、菘翁より相当年長である点などがあり判然としていない。