In addition, Shibusawa, a section head, often visited Okuma's with Ito or Inoue, informed Okuma of discussions made in Kaiseigakari, and also talked frequently with young bureaucracy such as Naoyoshi YAMAGUCHI and Tomoatsu GODAI who were associated with Okuma.
また、掛長であった渋沢は伊藤や井上とともに大隈邸に出入りして改正掛での議論などを大隈に報告するとともに大隈と親交があった山口尚芳や五代友厚ら他の若手官僚とも議論を重ねた。