On October 4, Konoe visited Douglas MacArthur at the General Headquarters of the Allied Forces (GHQ), talked about his own theory of the military turning communist and asserted that at the start of the war, the Zaibatsu industrial-commercial conglomerates and the feudal power centered around the Emperor functioned as brakes, and that Japan would immediately redden if the Imperial family and the Zaibatsu were removed.
10月4日に、近衛は連合国軍最高司令官総司令部ダグラス・マッカーサーを訪ね、持論の軍部赤化論を説いて、開戦時には天皇を中心とした封建勢力や財閥はブレーキの役割を果たした、と主張し、皇室と財閥を除けば日本はたちまち赤化すると説いた。