Subsequently among people in the political and business world, an idea of having Karigane to play games was arranged, and on March, 1920, as the auspices of Moritatsu HOSOKAWA, he played a match with 13 uchikake (intermissions) against Shuya, who had been ranked as a meijin (Go) in 1914, and the match was finished on January 30, the following year, resulting in Karigane's win (sente or initiative move) by 6 moku (points).
その後政財界有力者の間で雁金に打たせようという相談がまとまり、1920年3月、細川護立の催しで、1914年に名人(囲碁)就位していた秀哉と対戦、13回打掛けで翌年1月30日終局、雁金(先)6目勝。