After that, he moved around as a guest of wealthy families, starting in Nagahama, then Kyoto and Kanazawa city, and this life style enriched his knowledge of gourmet food and dinnerware.
その後も長浜をはじめ京都・金沢市の素封家の食客として転々と生活することで食器と美食に対する見識を深めていった。