When the confused Hokkeshu sect monks asked which of the first to the fourth Myo the Jodoshu sect monks were talking about, the Jodoshu sect monks further lied in their answer that they talked about the Myo of the Hokke, which brought the thoughts of the Hokkeshu sect monks to a standstill.
この質問に混乱した法華側が1～4のどの妙の話なのかと問い返したところ、浄土側は嘘に嘘を重ねて法華の妙だと回答したので、法華側が思考停止に陥ってしまった。