Onizaburo DEGUCHI, who was one of the two founders of Oomoto along with Nao DEGUCHI, said that it was only him, Mizu no Mitama (motherly, loving and merciful saving manifestation of the main god), who could be Saniwa (person who receives and interprets a divine revelation) for Izu no Mitama (fatherly, strict, and correct creative manifestation) (Nao DEGUCHI), and met Nao DEGUCHI and gained her trust, as described in his later book, Michi no Oomoto (Path in Oomoto).
出口なおと並んで大本の二大開祖の一人である出口王仁三郎は、後の著書道の大本にあるように、厳の御霊（出口なお）を審神者（さにわ）できる者は瑞の御霊である自分しかいない。と述べて出口なおに面会し、信頼を得た。