According to Sakyo Shinbetsu (clans branched out of a family of god in the Eastern Capital Offices) Vol.2 of "Shinsen Shojiroku" (Newly Compiled Register of Clan Names and Titles of Nobility), Katari shared the right and left of Emon (gates of Imperial palace) to guard with his father (his elder brother in another theory), Muroya, and also according to Sakyo Shinbetsu Vol.1, SAEKI no Himatsuri no miyatsuko shared a common ancestor with the Otomo clan (the descendant clan of Amenooshihi no mikoto) and he seems to have been a descendant of Katari.
『新撰姓氏録』左京神別中によれば、談は父（一説には兄）の室屋とともに衛門の左右を分衛したと記述され、また同じく右京神別上によれば佐伯氏（さえきのひまつりのみやつこ）は大伴氏（天忍日命の後裔氏族）と同祖で、談の後裔とされる。