He met his sworn ally, Kanezane KUJO, with whom he had had an open dialogue when he had gone up to Kyoto last time, only once, talked only daily affairs except politics and presented only two horses.
前回の上京では胸襟を開いて語り合った盟友の九条兼実には一度しか面会せず、雑事ばかりを語って政治的な話はせず、贈り物は馬2頭のみであった。