There is a theory that he was an apprentice of Jinsuke HAYASHIZAKI, however, according to the tradition of the Katayama-Hoki school, he received sword instructions from his uncle Shoan.
林崎甚助の弟子とする説もあるが、片山伯耆流の伝承によると、伯父の松庵より秘剣を伝授された。