YAMADA had advocated expanding military activities to the Chinese continent, so at this interview he preached to OSHIMA that 'you should blame Joseon Dynasty for their breach of contract to conquer them.'
この時、中国大陸進出を唱えていた山田に「貴藩困乏斯の如し、何ぞ李氏朝鮮違約の罪を鳴らして、之を征服する策に出でざるか」と説かれる。