Incidentally, there also exists the view asserting that Juko made Goro HANEDA produce natsume (tea utensil), but this view is also questionable because according to chakai-ki (the record of the tea ceremony), natsume was first used from 1558 to 1569, after the death of Joo TAKENO, and its first use was later than other wooden tea utensils.
なお珠光が棗(茶器)を羽田五郎に作らせたという説もあるが、これも棗の茶会記への登場が武野紹鴎没後の永禄年間と遅く、しかも他の木製茶器よりも遅いため、やはり疑問視されている。