According to a certain tradition, he was born in 1486, but this has been denied because of his father's age and a background that actually he was only nine years old when he was serving Masamoto HOSOKAWA.
一説には文明(日本)18年（1486年）生まれとされるが、父の年齢と、細川政元に仕えた年齢がわずか9歳ということから否定されている。