On November 8, Hiromoto visited the shogunate residence under the name of Yoshitoki's messenger and remonstrated with him and said, 'For your descendants' prosperity, you should resign your official position and just be Seii-taishogun, and after a while when you come to a senior, why don't you combine the general?'
20日、広元は義時の使いと称し、御所を訪れて諌めて「御子孫の繁栄の為に、御当官等を辞しただ征夷大将軍として、しばらく御高年に及び、大将を兼ね給うべきか」と言った。