It is also supposed that he was born into a family of Kyogen (farce played during a Noh cycle) or Joruri (dramatic narrative chanted to a samisen accompaniment), and in the Kaei era he trained himself under Denjiro NAKAMURA the first of Shigayama school in Edo.
狂言師、または浄瑠璃の家に生まれたとも、嘉永時代に江戸にて志賀山流・初世中村伝次郎の元で修行を積む。