However, one theory stated that he was bullied by Katsuyori who succeeded after the death of Shingen and left Takeda clan by himself, and returned to live in Mikawa Province as a sarugaku-shi.
ただし一説では信玄の死後、後を継いだ勝頼から疎まれたため、武田氏を自ら離れて猿楽師に戻り、三河国に移り住んでいたとも言われている。