Even under such strict controls, illegal logging in Satoyama frequently occurred, and when the form of Satoyama was Muramura iriai (common land of plural villages), it was jointly used by the residents of more than one village as a piece of common land, however, these villages often had confrontations over Satoyama (the dispute was called sanron (mountain dispute)).
それだけ厳重な管理をしても里山の盗伐は頻発し、また村々入会の里山では、里山を巡っての村と村の間での対立も続出した（山論と呼ばれる）。