It is said that one year after the Battle of Sekigahara, he was invited by Ieyasu TOKUGAWA together with Yoshiharu HORIO (堀尾可晴), Kazutoki INOKO,Kagenao FUNAKOSHI and others, to talk about the past.
関ヶ原の一年後、徳川家康に堀尾可晴、猪子一時、船越景直らと共に呼び出され、昔話などをしたと伝わる。