They were also influential in the area of su-utai (chanting a Noh text without musical accompaniment) especially in their earlier times; Tadatsugu's son, Isan SHINDO did not succeed to the head of the family but made his living by teaching su-utai in Kyoto.
素謡においても特に前期には勢力がつよく、忠次の子進藤以三は宗家を嗣がず京都で素謡教授をして生計を立てたほどであった。