Although the third messengers, Mototoki HARA and Nobukiyo OISHI, arrived at around 11 p.m. and told the news about Takumi no Kami's seppuku, they still had no idea about Kira's survival and confiscation of their properties in Ako Domain.
さらに戌の刻（午後11時頃）、原元辰と大石信清による第3の急使が到着して内匠頭切腹の情報が伝えられたが、吉良の生死や赤穂藩の改易については相変わらず何も書かれていなかった。