In June in 1438, when Mochiie's legitimate child, Kenomaru (Yoshihisa ASHIKAGA) reached the manhood, Norizane advised Mochiuji to be received ichiji-hairyo of shogun (honorary use one Chinese character from the name of his lord) for his son following the custom, however, Mochiuji ignored this advice and named him 'Yoshihisa.'
1438年、6月に持氏の嫡子賢王丸(足利義久)が元服すると、憲実は慣例に従い将軍の一字拝領を賜るよう進言するが、持氏はこれを無視して「義久」と名乗らせている。