When Toshiie's legitimate son Toshinaga said that he didn't hear Toshiie talk about the art of warfare or the strategies so much, Kiyomasa envied Toshinaga saying, "It's regrettable of you when you have a father like him who is so familiar with the military strategies."
清正は利家からあまり兵法や軍略の話を聞かないと言った嫡子利長に対し、「あれ程武略に通じた父上がおられるのに勿体ない」と言って羨ましがったという。