Sesshu wrote, 'I went to Ming in order to learn painting, but there was no teacher I sought' as Jisan (inscription on his own painting) on "Sansui-zu (landscape picture)" (commonly called 'Haboku-sansui-zu') which was given to his disciple, Soen, at the age of 76 in 1495, and he praised the achievements on the painting of his senior, Josetsu and Shubun.
雪舟は明応4年（1495年）、76歳の時、弟子の宗淵に与えた作品『山水図』（通称「破墨山水図」）の自賛に、「自分は絵を学ぶために明に渡航したが、そこには求める師はいなかった」と記し、先輩に当たる如拙や周文の画業をたたえている。