Yoshitomo said, "If you raise your bow against your own older brother, you will no longer receive the grace of Buddha or the gods," but Tametomo replied: "And what of raising your bow against your own father (Tameyoshi)?" for which Yoshitomo had no reply.
義朝は「兄に弓を引けば神仏の加護を失うぞ」と言うと、為朝は「では、父（為義）に弓を引くことはどうなのか」と言い返し、義朝は言葉に窮してしまった。