Until now, it has been said that he went to work at "Matsuzakaya Ito Gofuku store" (present-day Matsuzakaya Ueno store) in Ueno, Edo at the age of 11, but soon quarreled with the head clerk and returned to Hino; according to a newly published copy of Ninbetsu-cho of Ishida village it became clear that he was living in Ishida village when he was 11 years old, and therefore had not yet gone to work at the store.
これまで11歳の時に江戸上野の「松坂屋いとう呉服店」（現在の松坂屋上野店）へ奉公に出、すぐに番頭と喧嘩をし、日野に戻ってきてしまった、と伝えられていたが、先ごろ発表された石田村の人別帳控により、数えの11歳時は石田村に在住しており、奉公には出ていないことが判明。