Notwithstanding, there were joro otoshiyori who demonstrated influence over shogunate policy, such as Uemon no suke no tsubone during the reign of Tsunayoshi TOKUGAWA, Takakoka during the reign of Ieharu TOKUGAWA, Anekoji under Ieyoshi TOKUGAWA and Utahashi under Iesada TOKUGAWA, showing that "absence of power" was not necessarily true.
しかしながら、徳川綱吉時代の右衛門佐局、徳川家治時代の高岳、徳川家慶時代の姉小路、徳川家定時代の歌橋など、上臈御年寄でありながら幕政をも左右するほどの権力を握った者もおり、単純に「権力を持たなかった」とは言い切れない。