How come Marvel has much more prominent anti-heroes than DC? This is just my team btw

>>136864190 (OP)

ghost rider is an anit-hero?

Not OP, tangent, what's the difference between an antihero and an antivillain?

Basically, an antihero does good or at least is neutral and not excessively malicious, through morally dubious means. Might be selfish and self-preserving , or care more about personal stakes/connections than an objective greater good.

An anti villain does bad things out of a sense of what he’s doing is right, or for the better.



Isn't that just a plain old villain? Don't villains always think they're doing the right thing?

>>136864190 (OP)

Something about the Marvel universe dealing in grey moralities more than the DC Universe I guess?



An antivillain may have noble goals, but their means to attain that goal are evil. Like Ozymandias.

not quite



an anti-hero is just a hero who doesn't convey typical heroic traits. for example, Spider-Man is probably one of the first instances of an anti-hero in that he was a nerdy, self-doubting, chronically poor loser. Batman, contrastingly, is also an anti-hero in that he is grim, brooding and oftentimes excessively violent.



An anti-villain, therefore, is a villain who does not possess typically villainous traits. Magneto is an anti-villain in his moralising, genuine compassion for his underlings and seemingly "noble" cause. Black Adam is an anti-villain for similar reasons.



It doesn't necessarily mandate that the character has to have any particular moral character, they just need to differ from convention.

I don't know if those are like old school definitions of anti-hero, but it's certainly not how it's used today. 



>Don't villains always think they're doing the right thing?

Not really, even if that trope is getting more and more popular

>>136864190 (OP)

Marvel has a lot because the 90s happened.



DC has fewer because the 00s happened

That, and most of OP's examples would just straight up be treated as villains rather than antiheroes in DC even if they did exist.

Ghost Rider is possessed by a demon to send souls to hell, he's more of an anti hero in the sense of he's pretty much like a bounty hunter

>>136864190 (OP)

This image feels so old.

It's old

Most of those guys are from much before the 90s though

I could see people like Venom, Deadpool, Punisher, Wolverine, and Ghost Rider being treated as villains in DC, but what about Jason Todd? He's still somehow sidled in with the other heroes despite being Punisher-lite.

Ghost Rider is probably the least morally ambiguous of all of them to be honest, which is weird

Yeah, the irony is that the most villainous-looking one from among that group with a power derived from a creature of Hell is the least morally compromised of the bunch. Punisher is a murderer rationalizing his love of killing by waging a self-proclaimed war on criminals, Wolverine is the same as Punisher, except even Frank somehow has an more stringent policy regarding who he kills than Wolverine, Moon Knight is a schizo killer that works for a god of extremely questionable alignment, Deadpool is also a schizo killer but he does it for money, and Venom has not only killed people, he's fucking eaten them.
