How much can an author finesse unbelievable actions to the characters in the name of theme? 



I understand the answer is "as much as he wants, as long as it's written well." But, in your opinion, do you think plot has to be beholden entirely to the characters? When does a plot hole become void? Can an author wave away criticism of plot holes if he can create a compelling argument of it not mattering? 



Is a story just what is written or told, or does it exist in its entire temporality, all the subtle things that are not explicitly, or even inexplicably, detailed?

>>21930350 (OP)

I guess this also gives way to the question of how far can an author reasonably suspend disbelief, even if the internal logic is consistent?

>>21930350 (OP)

>But, in your opinion, do you think plot has to be beholden entirely to the characters? When does a plot hole become void?

What happens to the Characters *is* part of the Plot.



You saw what happened with GoT and StarWars.

To much "logic" and "realism" and it breaks the Theme. To much "Theme" and it breaks the characters.



>s a story just what is written or told, or does it exist in its entire temporality, all the subtle things that are not explicitly, or even inexplicably, detailed?

A good example of this is the Warhammer 40k Universe ; Both "realist" and utterly Mythic ; There is even "Room" in the universe for People to invent and create their own Space Chapters because the "Void" is part of the Theme , it relates us to participate in the "story" by creating it "ex nihilo".

>>21930350 (OP)

also, tremendous OP ; i like your effortposting .

You almost stopped being a faggot.

It partly depends on the size of the audience that he is willing to let misunderstand his work. That is a harsh calculus. One might consider that the ones that were lost were not worth trying to save. One could say that delivery of the theme is so important that as many people as possible need to understand it. There is no one-size-fits-all answer for every work of every author. The Man in the High Castle gets heavily shit on because he lost so many people. The ending was very curt for a reason, but people think that it was just part and parcel of his shitty prose. That is a lesson to learn - write decent prose so that obtuse mechanics that you employ do not get seen as just more of your clumsiness.

Modern readers obsess too much over plot holes. If you were good at writing no one would give a shit about any plot holes. But because you lack imagination and your prose is only 100% concrete objective reality with no flourishes or literary devices you build stories as if they had to be airtight rocket ships. And you fail before you ever begin.

Stay mad nigger, you clearly didn't understand the point of the post

A blooo bloo blooo. Help me, /lit/! What do I do? Story writing is haaard!

picrel
