Could we scientifically model the historical tracing of an idea back to Human Zero (like patient zero - the first person to have an idea).



So let's say caveman #1 first conceived the idea of an apple. He would then share that idea with those around him. Our concept today of an apple is the exact same idea that has been passed down through many many generations. Now imagine how complex this web is for all ideas from all humans for all time.



Could we theoretically model this? What would it look like? it must be similar to a neural network for AI, no?

>the idea of an apple

Anon, apples physically exist. Platonism is retarded.

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Meme theory is probably the closest thing we have to something like the study of the genealogy of ideas. Anthropology also often studies how ideas spread and change over time. 



>it must be similar to a neural network for AI, no?

No, none of this is anything like AI, that's completely nonsense.

>>15407750 (OP)

It would look like a penis probably

hes not saying its like an AI you retard, hes saying its like a system of nodes communicating in networks, which is accurate



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good point re meme theory. genealogy of ideas i think would need to be purely mathematical. but i bet you could do some interesting stuff.





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What you're looking for is quantum archaeology. Consciousness is a quantum phenomenon. Telepathy, mind reading etc are made possible by quantum entanglement. Since time is an emergent phenomenon it is possible for quantum particles to inhabit an atemporal state. In such a state they can be entangled with particles of the past. In theory this would make it possible to search for the thoughts of people who lived a long time ago.



I think you mean that quantum is a consciousness phenomenon my friend

>>15407750 (OP)

Are you asking if we can work out the first invention from existing inventions? Or are you just talking about ideas? The first idea could be literally anything, like the first idea that the first homosapien had. It was probably how do I get food or something



The first invention though was probably a stick, even apes and birds and stuff use sticks to do things like poke things etc. I don't think there's many options so you likely don't need to work backwards through all inventions



The first idea. I don't mean that we can actually find the first idea - that would be impossible.



But I would be interested in modeling the genealogy or timeline of an idea through humanity. Or the linkage of ideas through time.



A human baby has no concepts when it is born. An apple does not exist to a baby. They just see an overwhelming amount of visual perception. Humans make sense of this perception via concepts that are taught to us by our parents/society. At some point when I was a baby I learned the concept of an apple. Somewhere way way back in history, some human or other animal first recognized "apple" and passed down that knowledge. I would be interested in a model of the lineage of concepts like that. In this way, concepts are living ideas within consciousness.
