Couldn't find anything on sticky. I've heard that one of the most important advantages of gear is maintaining mass as you cut, but that leads me to wonder how big you can get as a natural who doesn't cut and eats as much as is needed to gain muscle mass.

>inb4 Eddie is on gear

I posted him because he's huge but high bf.

>>70707390 (OP)

Pic related is the natty limit. If you can't reach this within 7 years you need to reflect on what you're doing wrong.

Someone out there actually believes this.

>>70707390 (OP)

depends on the person and their genetics, thats all it boils down to. how much their natural hormone production, DNA blueprints, and bone/cardiovascular systems can support. because once you reach that point your body will self regulate everything and crank the myostatin up. thats also why people can follow a routine and a diet to a tee and not gain muscle, then get called a liar when they say so by the retards who have good or even normal genetics. 

>t. skeleton that gained 20lbs of LBM and plateaud for 4 years

thank god for growth hormone peptides and ghrelin receptor agonists or i wouldve just gave up on bodybuilding at this point

I suppose the better question would be what impact cutting has on your ability to build and maintain muscle.

i would say for an average person there are diminishing returns after a certain point of BF% cut. you can only cut out so many calories before you have to start removing things important for insulin response and testosterone production, those being glycemic carbs and cholesterol respectively. if you cut your diet down slowly, incrementally and equally and still maintained a proper ratio of macro nutrients you could get pretty lean without sacrifice much muscle mass but only temporarily. after a long enough time your body will just cannibalize its own muscle tissue. thats even including protein being broken down and used for energy, once the body reaches a certain point and starts to burn visceral fat it goes into panic mode. mainly because thats the fat stores your heart and organs use to stay alive in a starvation situation

Interesting, thank you.

>>70707390 (OP)

Eddie is a weak piece of shit who can't even deadlift 1pl8 without almost dying

Lord, strike these unholy thoughts from my mind for I am not homosexual.

>>70707390 (OP)

He's an asshole. Look at this video, what did the chair do to anyone? It was minding it's own business and Eddie just fucking kicked the shit out of it like it was a black who owed him money.

kek

Pretty funny that his nervous system finally shorted out while lifting a noob weight.

depends on what you mean by limit. I dirty bulked to 240 at 20%bf and saw massive strenght gains from it, stopped being "lean" once i got above like 200

>>70707390 (OP)

>I posted him because he's huge but high bf

>high bf



He is now lmao

lmao1pl8!!!!!!

Yeah I somehow doubt you were 240 20%

>>70707390 (OP)

there is a 6'4" 380 lb guy in /plg/ who benches 600+, squats 900+ and deadlifts in the high 800s. That's probably what you're looking for.

>>70707390 (OP)

Never go past 25%
