Is there scientific proof that you can be born gay? I know there are some male dogs that fuck male dogs but how do I know they're actually actually gay and not just fucking around?

>>15381013 (OP)

The question is in this case can you be born with a mental illness or do they all develop from an early traumatic event. I don't know, I'm more inclined to believe it's trauma in 99% of the cases.

The unmolested who turn out to be fags usually have some other severe mental illness assosciated with it

Sexuality is a modern thing. See e.g. ancient romans 

So no, it doesn't make sense to say that

>Sexuality is a modern thing.

Evolution does not stop happening just because it is within the last 10,000 years.



>But being gay is a negative trait.

It's mostly a neutral trait, especially in the past where the only option was to marry a woman and pretend to be heterosexual.



>can you be born with a mental illness or do they all develop from an early traumatic event?

Not all genetic traits are expressed. Many mental illnesses are genetic, but specifically to only activate from traumatic events.

The onus is on you to prove that mental illness is not genetic, when many mental illnesses provably are.



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Retardation out of the way - there is no real proof. In fact, I believe there was a study that found farm animals to (with a relatively low frequency) turn gay without any interaction with female animals of their species.

All that I think can reasonably be confirmed is that it is not a passive trait - genetic or otherwise. IT clearly has some environmental aspect. In some animals, at least.

No one is really born gay or straight, at our most fundamental base we are bisexual/attracted to nothing. What makes us develop an attraction towards the opposite sex are things like hormones, pheromones (specially in animals), curiosity and the pleasure achieved in sex (male and female genitalia are made for one another) and a whole lot more, throw in the Freud shit too. 



That being said, homosexual behaviour is most likely caused by a combination of lust, an emotional connection to the same-sex individual, and personal choice. In the animal kingdom it is nearly lust most of the time. They know that having sex feels good whether it's a male or female.



As for humans it's also the case of lust but the personal choice factor is the strongest, at least from what I've observed personally. I've seen many homosexual men express their disgust at women and talk how being gay leads to a more beneficial lifestyle that's more free of stress. Vice versa with homosexual women.



The gay dogs are probably just fucking around. They'll forget each other the moment a female is introduced.

>an emotional connection to the same-sex individual

oh my god really?

>>15381013 (OP)

Yes hormone levels in the womb determine sexuality in rats

as a leftist, I had a sudden realization today. someone asked for an "LGBT+ friendly" psychologist; but what if that "friendliness" only mean reaffirmation; why is reaffirmation automatically good?
