Why aren't subvocalization, melodies recall, memories, internal monologues and visualization, dreams, considered metaphysical phenomena?

>>15399121 (OP)

They are by some

mostly they can be reduced down to "just" conscious experience of various different (supposedly)(brain) states, and then there you have the people who consider that (consciousness) a metaphysical phenomenon and those who don't

>>15399121 (OP)

The phenomena lies in qualia. Sub-vocalization, memory and dreams are commonly shared by millions and aside from some people lacking it (which is the actual weird thing), is the normal state of mind. To an extent, qualia is metaphysical, you just don't see a lot of popularity with metaphysical philosophy anymore and more interest with materialistic sciences to explain these phenomena's. Modern theory would state the mind has entirely mechanistic states of function, where consciousness arises through various cognitive models all based on the materialistic electrochemical actions of neurons which is total bullshit but its a start. I'd believe it's more of a hybrid between metaphysical and materialistic phenomena

>its more a hybrid

Like what?

>>15399121 (OP)

Maybe as AI advances it can allow humans to gain a deeper more robust understanding or insight into consciousness and it's relations to experiencing existence

>>15399121 (OP)

>navel gazing thread

where is

>consciousness is too complex for us to understand right now

naval gazing comment

Is frequency/vibration something that could alter the conditions of the chemical and electrical properties of the brain to the point that different modes of consciousness stem from variation within said thresholds? To that, it seems childish to purport metaphysical properties are conclusive without thoroughly assessing the physical first. I say this as someone who believes in the metaphysical.

lol, the /sci/ to /x/ road map

>>15399121 (OP)

For the same reason as the processing happening inside my computer is not considered metaphysical phenomena even though it cannot be easily observed.

Look up Aharanov Bohm effect. The glowing three letter agencies know about the quantum nature of consciousness and they know how to influence it remotely. No tinfoil hat and no Faraday cage can protect us against Aharanov Bohm.

We cannot possibly hope to understand an AI with trillions of parameters. AI will remain pretty much completely black boxes to us.

Makes me wonder if subterranean depth could interfere in place of a faraday.

>subvocalization, melodies recall, internal monologues



somewhere ago I was reading some studies... there are certain neurological conditions, some caused by 'damage' of sorts, that shuts down the 'Inner monologue'

Hi shit eating schizo. Ever wonder how I can find you in every thread?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23583-mindscapes-first-interview-with-a-dead-man/



“When I was in hospital I kept on telling them that the tablets weren’t going to do me any good ’cause my brain was dead. I lost my sense of smell and taste. I didn’t need to eat, or speak, or do anything. I ended up spending time in the graveyard because that was the closest I could get to death.”



https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2020/11/12/the_people_whose_minds_are_completely_blank.html



"Patients with AAD remain with an empty mind while in the waking state. They describe a mental state, that, to our knowledge, has never been reported, and which is almost unimaginable to a normal conscious human being: conscious awareness without any content."

Source?

>my AIss
