compared to the sundown audio SA-12 which would be recommended? please list some of the pros and cons I'm very certain many people would want help
1790890
The sa12 is 600 rms and this sub is 300-1000 rms. so essentially you can push the alpine more but sundown is elite when it comes to car audio and they can take a beating. If you know what you're doing you can push the sa 12 way past 600 rms. but both are very good subwoofers.
1790891
I haven't heard a Sundown SA-12 before, but I can say that the Alpine Type-R 12" is a beast of a sub and overpowers my mids and highs, or say, they can't perform anywhere near as crazily as the Alpine can.
1790892
The alpine 12 is alright. It's a great speaker but it's rms handling isn't very high. I bought two of these. Dual 4 ohm . They hit hard but not hard enough. Remember, you get what you pay for. I have one orion hcca 12 that blows both of these out.
1790893
Awesome Subwoofer, hits nice and deep, Very clean Bass, & I have it connected to an X-power , M500 AMP
1790894
The SA-12 can handle up to 1,000wrms, some put more into them. I've used the sa8v2,sa-10,sa-12 and sa-15 always had them on at least 1k each. Type R's can't take 1,000 rms daily like they say. If you look the, 4th gen (600wrms) and newest (1,000wrms) the design hasn't changed. The SA is by far more durable and capable of handling 1k daily, The type r will take it but not for long, I suggest only putting 5-700rms into these daily.
1790895
Theses Subs are awesome.. hit really hard... shake my entire car and body from having them in the truno of a crown Victoria... very heavy and durable...
1146011
I personally like the AKG K712 using the bass boost on the kunlun. Keep in mind that if you have it hooked up to your computer with the PC in setting there is a slight humming noise which is annoying.
511411
Look into sundown woofers. They are reasonably priced and are very popular with car audio community. If you can spend go with the H0112 w6v3 by JL audio. I just bought it in a 10" and if is a thing of quality and beauty !
263250
For those who have the 701 already but are thinging about 702. I'd say don't bother. Not an upgrade, at best your moving laterally. Save up a bit longer make a jump to something lme the Audeze lcd 2. That's a very nice upgrade. Save longer jump to lcd 3 now that's not big its huge. But now your looking at Sennheiser hd 800 territory. Nw were talking true audio bliss.
275210
Honestly, I can not compare as I have not tried the other. Obviously, it has lots more power. As a previous audiophile, I can tell you that although "sound bars" are convenient they do not compare with real amplifiers and reals speakers. I can tell you I am happy with the sound, and the digital input works well with my 60 inch 1080p 3D TV. My only complaint is when you use digital input you have to use the rinky dink remote that came with the sound bar to control the volume. My advise is don't skimp on sound it is just as important as the picture when it comes to watching movies. Honestly, I can not compare as I have not tried the other. Obviously, it has lots more power. As a previous audiophile, I can tell you that although "sound bars" are convenient they do not compare with real amplifiers and reals speakers. I can tell you I am happy with the sound, and the digital input works well with my 60 inch 1080p 3D TV. My only complaint is when you use digital input you have to use the rinky dink remote that came with the sound bar to control the volume. My advise is don't skimp on sound it is just as important as the picture when it comes to watching movies.
1507342
I prefer EVs. I think the quality is better and the range of the speakers. I use 2 15 and no sub for my events. My sound goes crazy.
1419399
That's why I went with the NAD vs the Bose. The noise guarding on the Bose is great but the NAD just sounded better overall. Much warmer natural sound to my ears.
103384
The question above is the critical one - you can alwys spend more and get better. BUT let me add this: for an immediate, and mind-blowing upgrade at less than 15 bucks, go out and get yourself a pair of Koss KSC75s. They are light on the ears, small, and easy to transport. However, they sound incredible not only "at this price range" but in their own right. Get that purchase over with and then you can think about whether you want to spend more or not. But trust me on this, for most folks the Koss's are fantastic. You won't be disappointed. No I don't work for Koss, but I'd be willing to. Koss KSC75 Portable Stereophone Headphones
212453
Best to go to a Bose store and test both units side-by-side. Bring a CD or DVD that offers excellent sound to compare. On the CD side I usually play a smooth jazz disc which really highlights the mids and highs and play at low volume which really tells the story. On the DVD I play an action flick with considerable surround sound audio so you can see how they compare to a 5.1 system. I think you will find the GS system is worth the extra coin as the mids and highs are very clear while they seem muffled on the regular series II system. Yes both systems seem a bit pricey but unless you really want an exceptional 5.1 or 7.1 audio experience the Bose will provide excellent sound. Best to go to a Bose store and test both units side-by-side. Bring a CD or DVD that offers excellent sound to compare. On the CD side I usually play a smooth jazz disc which really highlights the mids and highs and play at low volume which really tells the story. On the DVD I play an action flick with considerable surround sound audio so you can see how they compare to a 5.1 system. I think you will find the GS system is worth the extra coin as the mids and highs are very clear while they seem muffled on the regular series II system. Yes both systems seem a bit pricey but unless you really... » Read More Best to go to a Bose store and test both units side-by-side. Bring a CD or DVD that offers excellent sound to compare. On the CD side I usually play a smooth jazz disc which really highlights the mids and highs and play at low volume which really tells the story. On the DVD I play an action flick with considerable surround sound audio so you can see how they compare to a 5.1 system. I think you will find the GS system is worth the extra coin as the mids and highs are very clear while they seem muffled on the regular series II system. Yes both systems seem a bit pricey but unless you really want an exceptional 5.1 or 7.1 audio experience the Bose will provide excellent sound. « Show Less
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I running a 700 watt Arc audio amp into a sealed enclosure of 1.5 SQF And it sounds great. Has as much SLP as my old Alpine R12 ported, maybe even more? Now I am thinking about getting the NS V3 12' 2500 watt Sundown sub! After enjoying the SA 12 I need to hear the V3 and maybe scare some old people while I'm at it! Lol
133371
As long as you have a good knowledge of computers I would suggest the Asus Xonar STX. The sound is amazing, but it comes with it own problems. The drivers are bad and in order to set mine up I had to install through safe mode and get on my wife's computer to download some files. Make sure you have a program like Win Rar if you download off the asus website. If you are prepared then it will be a lot easier to install. I don't know if it was just an abnormality, but when I got mine it was missing a screw that holds the back plate to the circuit board.
784013
I've had the PB1000 for a few weeks now. For listening to music, you probably want the SB1000. I liked that the PB1000 gets down to 20Hz comfortably, but since I listen to music more than watch movies on my setup, I'm considering returning it for the SB1000.I should point out that it will depend on what kind of speakers you are using it with. I'm using it with some Orb Audio satellites, and in-ceiling speakers. For music, I'm definitely missing some of the mid/low bass because of this configuration. If you have some solid towers with 8-10" drivers to fill in that part of the spectrum, you'd likely be very happy with the PB1000. I've had the PB1000 for a few weeks now. For listening to music, you probably want the SB1000. I liked that the PB1000 gets down to 20Hz comfortably, but since I listen to music more than watch movies on my setup, I'm considering returning it for the SB1000.I should point out that it will depend on what kind of speakers you are using it with. I'm using it with some Orb Audio satellites, and in-ceiling speakers. For music, I'm definitely missing some of the mid/low bass because of this configuration. If you have some solid towers with 8-10" drivers to fill in that part of... » Read More I've had the PB1000 for a few weeks now. For listening to music, you probably want the SB1000. I liked that the PB1000 gets down to 20Hz comfortably, but since I listen to music more than watch movies on my setup, I'm considering returning it for the SB1000.I should point out that it will depend on what kind of speakers you are using it with. I'm using it with some Orb Audio satellites, and in-ceiling speakers. For music, I'm definitely missing some of the mid/low bass because of this configuration. If you have some solid towers with 8-10" drivers to fill in that part of the spectrum, you'd likely be very happy with the PB1000. « Show Less
511412
They are 1500rms. Between 750 and 850 is optimal for these. I have a 3200.1bd Zeus pushing 2 of these 12's. It's turned way down of course. I Listen at loud volumes all the time and I haven't had any issues. You were probably pushing it to hard. Try turning the amp down. If I didn't purchase these I would have chosen a different sub. If money isn't a object try sundown audio D2's. If you want to stick with L7's then just turn your amp down so because anything over its peak watts is just producing heat which will blow your subs every time! Hope this helped
1089302
The SB 120 is plenty loud enough for a patio, however, it does not have a lot of bass. The mids and highs are clear and loud. If there is a Sam's Club near you they may have one you could listen to in the store.
462733
Holy moly, I wish I had that problem..to choose between two companies with stellar offerings. The LS50 is exceptional, would I prefer a pair of Wilson Watt Puppies......in a heartbeat. But, as the monetary system collapses, you are probably far better off to get some acoustic instruments.
87411
There are a lot of options, and it depends on what you'll be using them for. I just listen to music most of the time, so I use a Yamaha A-S500 integrated amplifier. It has worked great for me.
1395533
M100 is the latest but you cant find any short of difference. LP is best if you are not audiophile.