Has the design of the S470 changed in 2013 to adress anyof the previous problems with rain and the drip pan or with the knobs holding utensils better?
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I can't compare with earlier models since I only have this one. That being said, the six utensil knobs are basically like half inch cabinet door knobs. I usually have no problems since my grill tools mostly hang from small leather hoops, except for tongs, which I just straddle on the knob. As to rai, I'd heard the same complaint. However, I usually keep a cover on during the rain, but when I haven't I've had a small amount in the base of the cabinet, but I haven't had any issue where the drip pan has overflowed. I have found that so far the grease pan which diverts dripping grease to the drip pan is much better than previous Genesis models. Hope this helps. I can't compare with earlier models since I only have this one. That being said, the six utensil knobs are basically like half inch cabinet door knobs. I usually have no problems since my grill tools mostly hang from small leather hoops, except for tongs, which I just straddle on the knob. As to rai, I'd heard the same complaint. However, I usually keep a cover on during the rain, but when I haven't I've had a small amount in the base of the cabinet, but I haven't had any issue where the drip pan has overflowed. I have found that so far the grease pan which diverts dripping grease to the... » Read More I can't compare with earlier models since I only have this one. That being said, the six utensil knobs are basically like half inch cabinet door knobs. I usually have no problems since my grill tools mostly hang from small leather hoops, except for tongs, which I just straddle on the knob. As to rai, I'd heard the same complaint. However, I usually keep a cover on during the rain, but when I haven't I've had a small amount in the base of the cabinet, but I haven't had any issue where the drip pan has overflowed. I have found that so far the grease pan which diverts dripping grease to the drip pan is much better than previous Genesis models. Hope this helps. « Show Less
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I don't have a 2013 model but I did get the Weber non-vented cover that keeps the rain out of the drip pan. Works very well, as long as I remember to put the cover back on, LOL.
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I bought a cover for mine so can't answer the rain question. I have had no problems with the utensil knobs and hang several off of mine.
1630217
I had it 2 years October Worked great,had some issues after year, turns out it needed to be delimed. It has worked very well since. If I were were buying again, I would buy the manual control model has knob on front. Easier when usi g different sized cups. The warming tray on top is very nice for mugs. Makes the lady happy to have a warm mug
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My Farberware elec. fry pan was probably 20 yrs old. I bought 2 new controls. Both of them felt like they fit but the connection wasn't a tight one. In order to maintain even heating I had to stand there and use some pressure to hold them together. I finally gave up. AH! They sure do not make things like they used to. Good Luck with your search for a control!
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To the best of my knowledge, there haven't been any substantial design changes. Mine fit my 2012 perfectly.
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hello Candi...it would appear that the dial on top has changed design, otherwise the appearance doesn't differ much.
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What has changed are the handles, which are larger; the knob on the lid, which is bigger and now oven-proof to 480 degrees F, and the interior, which now has an additional layer of enamel.
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I haven't had the problem. It dripped slightly when first installed, but I hand-tightened it some more and it has been absolutely fine for the past 60 days.
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This is not a definitive answer. I have a similar model that is several years old, and the interior finish failed. Could have been my fault in using the wrong utensils, I don't remember now what happened. I only write to say that it is a smart question. We were crazy about this pot while it lasted, for what it's worth.
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I looked at both and I believe it is a matter of design, not function. The materials seem to be identical. In the time I have had these pans (I started with a saute pan to evaluate them) I have been very pleased both with the functionality and the design. This is an expensive investment, that from my early indicators will last many, many years.
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I purchased my teapot in late November and so far I've not had problems with spots or fingerprints but then I don't put my fingers on the outside of the kettle much opting instead to handle it using the handle. I also don't get water splashed on the outside to form any water spots. I do wipe the inside of mine down every time after I use it so that it stays nice. I do have a few little spots that have formed on the inside bottom from use but I got rid of those using a cleanser. So far the kettle has held up well and I've had no problems.
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I don't know how much the specs changed between the 2012 or 2013. I bought it for my 2012. It's a great case, not exactly drop-resistant, but very good quality as far as a general use case.
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A little but we've had some super strong rain storms. I'm surprised it wasn't worse. Also, I dry off the lid before opening. Otherwise you accidentally dump water in!
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I bought mine just this year (2013) while on a trip...before I looked at these reviews. and it broke in a couple of months. These negative comments started seven years ago. So one would think "the engineering flaw" would be fixed, or the product taken off the market many, many moons ago. I'm not sure how you would have been able see the difference without both styles in front of you???
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I've had mine about a year and a half and it's been drenched in the rain many times. Still works fine. The back power cable did rust off and break when the wind knocked it over a few months ago. Had to ship the wheel to FL and cost me $80. Then I had to take the bike to my bike shop to fix alignment. The bike is a beast and is tough enough for dodging Atlanta traffic. I commute 8 miles 5 times a week and love it. Great bike but like any bike it does require repair now and again.
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it is a more functional cooktop with timer and more varying ranges of temperature over all a much more efficient model. but the 1700 is just a basic cooktop. Still a good model.
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I had to toss my old copper-bottomed Revere Ware (warped, which I didn't notice on a non-glass top stove), and my grandmother's cast iron cookware (uneven on the outside). I now have a Cuisinart stainless steel set (copper in-between stainless), and use the Circulon Contempo pans for things like eggs (or when I just want an easy clean-up). They both work (the concentric ridges are inside the pan, not outside), with the Circulon being easier to clean, but slower to warm up, and Cuisinart being much more elegant to cook with. I have had the Circulon pans for about three years, with light use - they don't have a scratch on the, to my surprise (I don't use metal utensils with them, and I usually use a little oil).
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David, I went to GE did not have my drip pans, I have a Spectra GE Older model. I have ordered these in style B & if you click on the more details these are style B. These are in black as you wanted they really jazzed up my old stove as it is trimmed in black......this appliance was in the home I bought in 7/2012 and they beat the heck out of aluminum wrapped drip pans (how previous owner left it) Hope you enjoy them as I have. (Is your stove equipped with removal burners?) Just a note to remember the burner plug-ins are available here too.