text: Good Afternoon Pandora,
  
  I think it is very challenging to begin a true discussion when theologians (97 theologians according to Matthew Fox) have lost their ability to teach in Catholic institutions (where else would a Catholic theologian teach), when the starting framework is that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered," and the inclination is a "strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil" (Ratzinger, 10/1/86).
  
  IMHO, what we need is a new philosophy based on the great work over the last century in knowledge, science and psychology. Without a new framework (e.g., Ken Wilber), I don't see how any conversation can begin.
  
  Also, traditionalists have just got to get beyond the notion that doctrine never changes.  It evolves as we learned and understood​.  That is a good thing!  A case in point is slavery - never condemned in the Gospels and supported by Paul in his writing (e.g., Ephesians 6:5, 1 Peter 2:18) has clearly evolved as a moral issue.
  
  Just my thoughts