text: ATF (Fed?), I never really felt ontologically changed. Even now there are IECs (Intentional Eucharistic Communities) who chose there own "priestly" leadership and do quite well, often with very active social and outreach ministry. Legalists claim they are not catholic and don't have the "real Jesus", but it doesn't seem to bother them. IMHO there is room for this to happen within the church system.