text: Jay Edward:   Exactly.   The Eastern Liturgies are wonderful, as are the Eastern Rite Catholics.   My issue with the "Orthodox" is not their liturgies, but that they reject the papacy.     
  
  And you're right:  the Novus Ordo definitely sought to make the Mass more acceptable to Protestants, in the spirit of (false) ecumenism.   I just think it's ironic that many of the liberals point to the Eastern "Orthodox" as being great (and say they want guidance from the "Orthodox"), when in fact what the liberals want would actually increase our differences with the "Orthodox", as you point out.