text: I spoke about freedom of conscience in religious Orders/Congregations, which is scrutinised before the taking of First Vows and Final Vows.  I didn't speak about diocesan clergy.  I leave that to those who are aware of this particular situation.  Oaths are not Vows, but I don't intend to dwell on the difference between them.  This rose you speak about has lost its pleasant odour, in my opinion.  Oaths, again in my opinion, aren't required in the Roman Catholic Church.  Everything I have spoken about has personal experience to bolster it including Sr. Lucia and her Coimbran Carmelite Community,  plus Carmelite life style and the ethos of the Carmelite Order worldwide.  I'll end by stating that the taking of Vows, most assuredly, is NOT a contested issue.   Again, I refuse to discuss this with you, because there is no point considering the fact that you believe you have all the answers.  Consider this discussion to be at an end.  'Never the twain shall meet'.