text: Your points are well taken, Mark.  Allow me to clarify my basic point:  when I stated that there is "no movement of powerful groups towards RC recognition of ssm," I was referring to groups internal to the Catholic Church.  This applies also to contraception, human sexuality, women's ordination, and so on.  We are a church locked in a perpetual early adolescence, unable to talk about those dirty things that have been branded by horribly conflicted men (starting with that psychological mess Augustine) who hide their own activities and the sins of others.  But we do have a model to do so and that is Vatican II.  And a "patron saint" of such a movement would have to be (St.) John XXIII who feared nothing in open discussion.  But we need to form a group, bishops included, who have that same openness, plus a good deal of power.  It cannot come, in my view, from other churches: they can support the RC in doing so, but the work is ours to do.