text: Dennis - BTW, I just ordered a copy of Macy's book (with Phyllis Zagano) to see if I have missed something.  Due to arrive in a week or less.  Will get back to you on one of these threads.  Thanks for the lively discussion.  Yet I hold to the position that it is a dead issue for us at this point.  It will, I am equally sure, change in the future when there are so few priests left, some Catholics are receiving Communion only a couple of times per year.  Then, full ordination for women will also happen.  But not today.