text: I'll give you an unintended consequence of V2. The church used to be welcoming of science and progress. Since the loss of leadership in the church since vatican 2 we have an undercurrent of misunderstanding of the relationship of the church to science among certain "conservative" catholics. For example, we have people, like Marty E, who believe that the earth is 6000 years old and that humans lived concurrently with dinosaurs, and that moreover, that to be a catholic is to reject modern science, for example the science of climate change. This is an execrable development within the post-conciliar church and it has confused many simple folk like Marty as to  what being a catholic means.