text: I can cite biblical facts as well as historical facts - why is that ludicrous ? Because you don;t like it ? That is not good enough. Not liking something is not proof of its non-existence (as if you could prove a negative).
  
  I didn't say that. Catholic Doctrine and Christian Doctrine are two entirely different things, and I am shocked you seem unaware of this. You also look at this issue from purely an nonspiritual POV as well, The Christian Church has grown and moved through history since the time of Christ, exactly like he said it would. And how do you claim to know exactly what every Catholic claims to think ? You are plainly and simply impeached by your own statements on this issue. When I mention facts they are based on what Scripture teaches and Church history, this is not a complicated issue. Again - you hold of strawmen and knock them over, because you do not believe (which is fine - it is your prerogative).