text: Yes, Dennis' comment is no different than what was told to my class as we graduated 50 years ago this year from a women's catholic college.  One year post Vat II, it was to be our responsibility to take action and impact the church.  Within a couple of years, we had discovered that young, at that time single, women were scorned not just by priests, but also by older laity.
  
  As far as women being allowed to serve, let us not even consider ordination.  I have seen few, if any, instances where women who had talents other than financial, were allowed to use them on parish committees or councils.  If anything, lay spirituality has become MORE male friendly.  There are now prayer breakfasts for men, special services for men, etc., etc. whereas the main participation expected of women is still baking for parish functions.  (I might add that I am thinking of multiple parishes in two dioceses, one rural, one big city.)