text: (Part one of three)  If the efficacy of the contender for leadership is irrespective of his/her moral integrity, is it not familiar to the efficacy of sacrament being irrespective of the moral integrity of the clergy, is that not familiar?
  
  Is it any wonder that Roman Catholics have minimal concern for deception "in the world" as "in the church"—dennism
  
  If our moral conclusions aren't grounded in history, we're wasting our time. Since the gospels don't agree, I don't think they can be considered reliable.—monicadeangelis