text: I completely agree with you AFT. As you say; we need a personal relationship that achieves self-actualisation, in Christian terms & values. That is the real goal. To achieve that despite the failures & achievements; despite the known & unknowns; of living with a realistic perception of life & all it can throw at you. The "Pastors" have to come to the realisation that they do not have access to any type of "inside track" or "guidance from above". They are no better or worse than the rest of us, despite their claims. Unfortunately it is so culturally embedded with them as a belief, that it will probably take centuries to unlock it. However, time is not on their side and that is another story.