Easy does it Dromig, nobody is renouncing their baptism here and good news for people like me is that your judgement of they way I see things will not lead to my "peril".  We can and must have these conversations about our church. Do you really believe that a group of Jewish men (the Disciples) sat around without animated discussion? If you do, you need to get out more. No, they talked, argued and maybe even raised their voices with each other, then they were guided back by the teacher. We can disagree and still serve. You might be more persuasive if you didn't bring  "he who should not be named " into your argument. I am a child of God, I fear naught.