Jay, the issue that began our dialogue was you pointing out a nominal irony (liberal against ecumenism), and my reply distinguishing the standard use of "ecumenism" since V2 verse a very different notion of ecumenism identified in this article. 

You have not wondered off into an attach on standard V2 ecumenism (E1) and a defense of the non-standard variety (E2), but you have mushed it altogether so it is very difficulty for me to isolate what you are on about. 

So how about we talk only about E1 for the moment.

It's foundation is the cry of Jesus that We might be one! Do you agree that this is a powerful sentiment of Jesus that implicitly condemns the relationships between Christian Churches prior to V1? Yes or No.

If yes, then we will surely differ as to what caused this historical differences to emerge and become fixed in concrete. But side from causes, can we at least agree that E1 is a direct attempt to deal what Jesus laments? Is fostering good will among Churches a good thing