If they are not pretending that Vatican II "never happened", then they have surely bought into the nonsense of "the reform of the reform." Vatican II happened and it is still waiting to be fully implemented, which was put on hold during the extended papacies of JPII and BXVI . Oh happy day...our wonderful Pope Francis I announced in the last few days that THE REFORM OF THE REFORM IS ENDED... we will now fully implement the teachings of the Second Vatican Council!!! I don't know if that last is out to the public yet, but I learned of it yesterday from a very  highly respected priest-theologian friend of mine.