It was not a matter of Dogma but of epistomology and discipline. There was nothing credal about it. The reference in the Creed to believing in one Holy, Catholic and Apostalic Church does not mean the Pope's Chruch, right or wrong. You are still confusing loyalty and faith. You can certainly all a council doctrinal, but if the Council Fathers are given no freedom to deliberate, it is a sham.

When are you going to comment on my latest abortion comments? I dare you. I double dare you. Seriously, debating the point leads to a possible solution to reduce abortion (it will never be ended). Comment.