"You must remember that we are not talking to Catholics on this site." Setting aside the argument that to reject a fundamental moral/doctrinal/dogmatic teaching of the Church is to cease to be a Catholic (I agree with you, btw, Tridentinus), there are revelations of this in this thread.  Over the years that I've followed the articles and comment section of N"C"R, I've assumed that a great many people posting here are Catholics, but this thread shows that a bundle of them have walked out, largely to the Episcopal Church, or to some other ecclesial community that attempts to preserve an outward vestige of the Catholicism.  I think it goes to show what my nephew said to me once,"OMG, Uncle John, ignore the comments section in ANYTHING!"  I'll go away from this thread saddened on one level, but reassured on another:  This is not the Church posting here (and to forestall any foaming at the mouth, neither Tridentinus nor I are the whole of the Church, either).