I don't have to convince myself of my position, since anyone with knowledge of the subject would agree with me. But aren't you the one who said women aren't second class citizens in the Church? 

I wasn't making a "personal attack". I was saying that your belief that the institutional Catholic Church does not try to control peoples' bodies is wholly out of touch with the way things are. 

I want the teachings that are flat out wrong to be changed. Humanae Vitae is based on a view of human sexuality which says that sex is nasty, and has to be "justified" by saying it is for procreation. The men who push this view are either virgins or else have sex in ways they say are sinful. 

The refusal to ordain women is based on a view that women are inferior to men, which the institutional Church has officially repudiated, but clings to tenaciously. I want women ordained because "the most just of all societies" should live up to its own advertising. I reject the egotism of the men who reject this