Thanks for the lesson, TUC (I mean it non-sarcastically). I guess I see biblical words used in very different ways from kindness and love by some, so I should amend my statement. The hateful rhetoric comes from some people interpreting religious texts in their way. Maybe the Bible is only good, but it has of course been used by terrible people in history and continues to serve that purpose today by some. Hence my wish for a strong separation of church and state. I know plenty of religious people (hey, some religious people are among my best friends, as the saying goes!) and have been awed by the strength of purpose it gives to some and how it generates good works. But like all human institutions it is often corrupted so that tempers my enthusiasm quite a bit.