Do you have any idea who John Calvin was, or what he did ? He was a man who gave everything for the people in his Church. I am deeply saddened to see there are Christians who attack other Christians in this fashion. You need to become a bit more educated on this matter Bill, and quit taking everything Chuck Smith and Dave Hunt write. I don't really want to discuss this with you in this venue, if you wanted to meet somewhere I would, but not here.