i am going to be completely forthcoming, whether or not anyone is offended, because you can defend yourself here on this forum: the new mass is not catholic. If you like it, you like protestant services more than catholic ones. We know that the new mass was created to get prots into the church. My last comment was deleted, but that is a mistake since I am one of the few people on this forum who has both traditionalist credentials and progressive credentials, and if you silence me, you silence the last chance the church has to mend fences between groups.