AT:  We could continue this debate forever....or until you disappear in the Rapture, leaving me behind.  You have your own definition of Christianity and Christian Church, asserting it is THE TRUTH according to Jesus. I find that amazingly presumptuous. 

 You and I could hardly be more different on this issue: I readily admit I don't even know if there's a god.  You claim that not only is there a God, but you speak his TRUTHS.   I've asttempt to supply factual information regarding the definitions of the terms and concepts we are discussing.  You dismiss them as "puff piece propaganda".  I'm actually not interested in propagandizing anyone.  I'm simply engaging in a discussion about a topic I find very interesting and, frankly, rather disturbing.  Gary Crum