Fair enough, that's an important distinction to make and I didn't pick that up in the original statement. I think the resurrection is a powerful basis for rational faith, and the gospels and subsequent new testament books are excellent evidence for the resurrection. I think we both share a disdain for what various humans did with it for their own purposes after that. Kinda like JZ and the lot we have to deal with now. I found it extremely unlikely that 100's of eye witnesses would be tortured and killed at the hand of the roman's for a lie. And after my own investigations, I found the resurrection impossible to explain away. I think that's where most christians will possibly make statements like the one you poo-pood, but won't necessarily show why they consider it rational in that regard. It is the basis for our faith, not hoping in some imaginary father figure in the sky. I hope that makes sense and is helpful.