Fair enough, Paul. I appreciate your generally reasonable debate of the issues without tossing in personal sideswipes. It is not my intention to typecast you, but I do make assumptions based on what I see from your comments, which is certainly not everything you post I'm sure, so I certainly could be off in those assumptions. As for me, I am not a member of any party, but am clearly conservative (which used to be called classical liberal), degreed in science and business, and Christian. None of those are in conflict with each other as some assume they are. I find that people of all political affiliations mostly want the same things, but vary significantly on how we can achieve those things for the most people. The biggest problems come in dealing with the common human conditions of self interest and shirking of responsibility. Liberals and conservatives have vastly differing approaches to even recognizing, let alone dealing, with the social problems these create. Thanks for the debate.