"...but it IS the Church's self-identity."

Part of the Church's self-identity also unfolds in Ecumenical Church Councils, Gene1935. I am sure this issue will be brought up and covered at some future Vatican III,  which Fr. Orobator might attend. Arguing about it now, however, or articulating the challenge is like trying to give life to a wisp of smoke, sooty vapor.  And what does women's ordination matter, whether for or against it, if it no longer leads to any change? Francis doesn't even want to consider the issue. A Church Council is the only distance left to the CC (for significant change). Other than that, the issue is just a brief forgetful thought, visible in the departing trains of Protestant churches, but not in whistles and motions of the Orthodox and Catholic, as it were. Only Church Councils hold out for or bring change.