And am convinced by the reasoning therein). So, if the Catholic Church says one thing, and I say another, who should be trusted? It makes obvious sense to trust the Church in which Christ promises the gates of hell wouldn't not prevail against rather than the beliefs individuals.  I mean that as no slight, as I'm sure you are intelligent and well read. I only mean to say that either you or the Church is right on points of theological disagreement, and I am more confident in the Church than an individual.