I don't think anyone is worried about Mexico...and actually some of us would not mind a closer association with Canada...

I do think California as a nation would be quite capable of defending herself...and we do have large national guard and all that defense industry....

The point is this....unless there's perceived justice in the presidential election process and a less than 100,000 vote Trump total vs probably between two and three million popular vote for Clinton....isint Justice...add to that as Jim just pointed out an alt white, anti Semitic, white nationalist as president selecting dreadful and totally inexperienced folks..and way too many generals it appears ...which stand for literally everything I've spent my life opposing and why in Gods name would I want to "stay" in such a "union"? And our state has literally millions who have similar views....Seriously think it's time to move on....