Yawn. From all of your anti-feminist comments, it's obvious that you are fixated with gender equality just like any angry white supremacist is fixated with race. What I was getting to is: why? Does it make you feel superior? My experience is that only insecure men feel the need to argue that women are not fully equal human beings, and that means in the church too. Your mama might have bore her lot without "moaning" but she seems to have failed to raise an enlightened and secure male. Evolve.