Gary, this topic has brought out some interesting thought processes and value statements. It's rather like being able to be the counselor as the client lays on the couch and free associates their inner conflicts. I am picking up resentment of women who are gay, feelings of being discriminated by women for cad-like sexist behavior with a little touch of bruised male ego from the loss of white privilege.  No wonder so often hope - as one said - to train their man.