I meant to comment on this thread last night, but put the entry on the other Fr. Martin story. Fr. Martin is more apt to be an asexual than a homosexual (celibate or not) or rather is equally as likely. Since he is not taking an out and proud tone, I suspect he might be an Ace, which can also make someone appear effeminent. Cardinal Burke certainly has such traits as well. Aces have a certain gentleness and niceness to them, but not the empathy to realize that everyone is not like them - especially those who are unaware that they are not simply chaste heterosexuals. As for Ebes64, I cannot say. Whether one is gentle or not does not come through on posts. You can be Ace and still come across as a hetero doctrinaire bully online. He certainly sounds homophobic, but my gay friends would say that methinks she doth protest to much. That good just be a fancy comeback. I frankly don't care. If I were gay or bi (and I am not), I would not date him. (Am I being bad?)