the whole discussion about Hawaiians' self-determination is gay*. They are part of this democracy and I democracies you get self-determination.

IRONIC: Hawaiians are crying to get out fro under this DEMOCRACY (via independence or a form of "government)so that they can democratically vote who & what they want. But only what HAWAIIANS want. So Hawaiians want a democracy, but only a democracy where only they get to vote. So they want an exclusionary democracy. Great...Ironic.

*I'm using the phrase 'gay' I the old fashioned (circa my small-kid times) way: lame, stupid, ridiculous. NOT to describe a sex preference