so much anger in the church between trads, liberals, no common ground possible it seems. I try to reach out to liberals they shut me down, ditto with trads. I attend a sedevacantist mass but I am not a sedevacantist, but because of the beauty and reverence of this mass of the ages, which has bound all catholics together for so many centuries. From trads I get this narrowness and disrespect for science and progress, from liberals I get dismissed as too conservative because I don't think gays should be married in the church. woe is me, woe, woe...