Which is why so very many gay people have left the church - they've gotten that message loud and clear that "WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE!" So they left. I'm one of the few who stay, albeit tangentially. I'm old, you see, and a creature of habit. But I believe the point of this whole discussion is to see what can be done to start talking with the wider gay Catholic community with less of "WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE!" and more of "Please stay." So far there's been much of the former and very little of the latter.