...Perhaps if your science comes from either the Middle Ages or from FOX News as both seem to be of the same relevance.  I was extremely skeptical when my son first came out but I did study like a workhorse, including both sides (talked to priests and etc.), and came away convinced of the claims of LGBT folks that their orientations and etc. are natural and on a spectrum of normality. I'm no dummy, neither am I a sheep. I'm not implying you are either one but you do seem to have a stick in your eye when it comes to anything having to do with gay men and I've asked you before what has caused that. Compared to some other more liberal opinions  that you have at times expressed, it doesn't seem to make any sense to me and I'm willing to listen to your story.