My previous post is referring to the dot points on page 193. I'm just trying to make the point that there were/are bad apples as well. Even though I agree we need to, I'm interested in why we are so intent on focusing on the apple barrel rather than the bad apples. Part of the reason, I suspect, is that we want to blame the organisation which for many of us has caused so much grief, abused us personally, and has turned out to be such a disappointment, perhaps exposing us to ourselves that we were so bloody stupid to have ever believed in it. Perhaps we also had and still have our own psychological (bad apple) issues that need addressing, something we may not want to admit. I know I do. So, easier to blame the organisation (the barrell) than blame individuals (bad apples). Perhaps it's because many of us went along with the sexual revolution, are gay and love Vatican II and therefore, cannot even begin to consider these issues to be part of the problem? Asking is part of academia.