John, character limits here militate against that idea. And all debates need not proceed so formally. Most of the moral arguments against gays in Canada are rooted in Christian dogma. Let's go with love and acceptance as defined by the New Testament then. No mention of homosexuality there, and J.C. amazes with his pleas for us all not to judge one another and to love. Tormaine suggested gays were a perversion. I pointed out what was likely the usual religious hypocrisy on view. Besides, sorry, but the seeking of common ground part is over. Christian society had its fun for 2,000 years persecuting gay people. It's over in Canada. There are laws now and equal rights. The parades, and my remarks here, are simply clean-up work as people who care about human rights continue to push for full, cultural acceptance and to challenge stuff like what Tormaine said. I'm pleased his/her comment didn't meet civility standards. The younger generation in Canada are fine with all this. Time to move on.