Ongtooguk nailed the most pervasive, inflammatory part of the gun-grabber 'debate': out of one side of their mouths, they wail, 'we must have new restrictions only to help save our children' , while out of the other they espouse that total confiscation is their ultimate goal, the outright disarming of every citizen, with only the military and police being armed. 

I'm sure that worked great for the Jewish people being rounded up for a trip to Auschwitz. Thanks, but I'm not taking that ride. The Second Amendment has been certified by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. Deal with it.

When the gun-control lobbyists can't discuss the facts, can't get past the 'Scary Assault Rifle' balderdash, continue to press for more restrictions with less enforcement of the restrictions we *already have*, and instantly knee-jerk react to any gun-owner who doesn't  agree with them as a lunatic whackjob looking for defenseless people to murder, where can a reasonable discussion begin?