J T, perhaps I expect more from Atheists. Otherwise we all may as well be Theists. I can get that at the corner Church. As far as logic goes one can prove 1+1 equals 3, and you've probably seen that presentation. There are limits to logic. I've seen Atheists that believe there is no such thing as "Truth". But when asked if it is true that there is an absence of G-worded entities they become a bit quiet. And I've met Theist Leaders when if or of not, they reply there is either G-worded entities or not, it is just a smatter of choice/belief. And they had to hide the Jaguar XKE when they went out to raise funds for their organization. But I also expect more out of Theists. Supposedly Theism is about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.  Atheism and Theism derive from the same tree. But when one challenges a given norm in some countries we are beheaded and or tossed off the nearest tall building/s. But that is the custom for opposing Theists as well. That has to stop.