Ellamae,

You write: "This is going nowhere."   Precisely, now the question, Why?

It is like you are in Columbia, SC and I am in Columbia, MO, we are looking for the same address, and we have the same map, but unfortunately the map is for Columbia, MS.  We talk, but as you say, "this is going nowhere."

Introducing hermeneutics into our conversation is like trying to talk about the map and the actual geography, I'm not discussing the spatially depicted street address, I'm talking about how we know where we are at.

Let me make it a matter of record; I would have no problem with women in headship in the church based on my life experiences as man living in this particular age of the world.  I have an epistemological problem: Greek epistēmē (“knowledge”).  I know things are true, not primarily based on my life experiences, logic, & reason. I know things are true because I believe what I read  in the bible is true. My knowledge about truth comes from scripture. (cont)