Okay, I told Gianni he wants to take us to dinner:)

I want to clarify that my response to Neko assumes that everyone agrees that abortion is not the best possible choice when the woman is presented with better choices. That, of course, is only true as theory and, in reality, many women are never presented with better choices. So the above construct doesn't work in those, perhaps more reality-based cases.

At the same time, the woman has to be understood as having been conditioned by societal forces to make certain choices and to be or to avoid responsibility for her choices. So I agree with ATF in saying that abortion discussions make no sense whatsoever unless we factor in realistic options, including sex education that encourages ethical (not necessarily moral) decision-making and access to contraception. 

Having said that, I believe we can make progress in discussing this issue with one another, and the real obstacle is our refusal to admit that there is more than one stakeholder.